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55: Five Altairian Dollars a Day

2020-10-04 · 57:41

00:00SPEAKER- Brad?

00:01SPEAKER- Yes?

00:02SPEAKER- I fulfilled a lifelong dream this weekend.

00:04SPEAKER- What's that?

00:04SPEAKER- Well, when I was a little boy, I saw a movie,

00:06SPEAKERyou may have heard of it, it's an indie,

00:08SPEAKERit was a small production by 20th Century Fox

00:10SPEAKERcalled Star Wars, and it was about a young farm boy

00:14SPEAKERwho grew up to save the rebellion

00:18SPEAKERand defeat a fascist empire.

00:20SPEAKER- He fought a war in the stars?

00:22SPEAKER- He flew an X-wing star fighter

00:26SPEAKERand he used it to blow up the bad men.

00:28SPEAKER- Oh, wow. - And I have done that now.

00:30SPEAKERAnd a lifelong dream has been fulfilled.

00:33SPEAKERI put on a virtual reality headset,

00:35SPEAKERit's a new bleeding edge technology.

00:38SPEAKERAnd I got in the cockpit of a star fighter

00:41SPEAKERand I shot up a bunch of TIE fighters

00:42SPEAKERand then got killed over and over and over again

00:44SPEAKERin multiplayer online.

00:46SPEAKER- You sat in the X-wing?

00:47SPEAKER- I have been in the X-wing.

00:49SPEAKER- You went inside the X-wing.

00:50SPEAKER- I have held the flight stick, I have a throttle,

00:53SPEAKERI have done it all.

00:54SPEAKER- Oh, did you go all the way?

00:56SPEAKER- I spent a lot of time finding controls.

00:58SPEAKER- You got fully kitted out on that thing?

01:00SPEAKER- Look, I don't have pedals.

01:01SPEAKERI think pedals might have to be an add-on

01:04SPEAKERat some point in the future if I stuck with this thing.

01:05SPEAKER- Is there a hotas, that's the question?

01:07SPEAKER- I have hotassed all the way down.

01:10SPEAKER- Okay, let's commit.

01:11SPEAKERI'll give it to you.

01:14SPEAKERI figured I would just do the Xbox controller on this one.

01:17SPEAKER- I had the hotass from when I briefly thought

01:20SPEAKERI was gonna get deeply into Elite Dangerous.

01:24SPEAKERAnd then I played enough Elite Dangerous

01:25SPEAKERto realize I wasn't going to get into Elite Dangerous,

01:27SPEAKERbut I was past the return window at that point.

01:29SPEAKER- There you go.

01:31SPEAKER- It turns out the hotass used to be a lot cheaper

01:33SPEAKERthan it is in a post-Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

01:36SPEAKERand X-Star Wars Squadrons world.

01:38SPEAKER- Hang on to that thing.

01:39SPEAKERIt might be a lifeline for you at some point.

01:41SPEAKERYou could trade it for 10 pounds of beans

01:43SPEAKERin our coming future.

01:45SPEAKER- Yeah, you got some tomato seeds,

01:48SPEAKERyou got a little bit of soy.

01:50SPEAKERYeah, I traded you a hotass for that.

01:52SPEAKER- So you could use it as a T-bar over here.

01:54SPEAKER- Is there a term for like,

01:56SPEAKERthat's kind of like actually the main reason

01:57SPEAKERI would want to use a controller in a VR headset

01:59SPEAKERis it's one unified control surface

02:03SPEAKERthat you never take your hands off of.

02:04SPEAKERSo there's no like blind fumbling to find a thing.

02:07SPEAKERLike even- - It's not really a problem.

02:09SPEAKER- Really?

02:09SPEAKERLike even to keep a mouse for me in VR,

02:11SPEAKERI kind of, you kind of just for a second,

02:12SPEAKERif you move your hands, you have to feel around

02:14SPEAKERto get them back to, you know, the home row position

02:16SPEAKERor in the case of like, how many pieces is your setup?

02:19SPEAKERA stick, a hotass, just two?

02:21SPEAKER- A stick and a throttle, yeah.

02:22SPEAKER- Okay, so I guess your hands are kind of planted there,

02:24SPEAKERbut anytime you have like things,

02:25SPEAKERyou have to move your hands back and forth between,

02:28SPEAKERthere's a perception issue.

02:30SPEAKER- So there are buttons.

02:31SPEAKERI feel like I brought the hotass in

02:32SPEAKERwhen we did that rebel galaxy outlaw thing last year,

02:36SPEAKERwhen you had me come in to do a quick look

02:38SPEAKERfor you with that.

02:39SPEAKER- Were you in VR for that thing?

02:40SPEAKER- No, no, no, there's no VR.

02:42SPEAKERThey don't have 3D cockpits, so there's no VR.

02:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah, well that's what I'm talking about.

02:45SPEAKER- But I brought the hotass, it's X 52.

02:47SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:49SPEAKER- It was, it worked like,

02:51SPEAKERso there's buttons, there's like toggle buttons

02:54SPEAKERbelow the stick that you have to kind of hit occasionally

02:56SPEAKERto manage power distribution and stuff like that,

02:58SPEAKERbut it's been fine.

03:00SPEAKERI'm not having to take,

03:01SPEAKERlike I'm not, I'm using the right hat switch,

03:05SPEAKERthe left hat switch, the throttle hat switch

03:07SPEAKERfor targeting stuff.

03:08SPEAKERThe main thumb hat switch is for like power distribution.

03:12SPEAKERSo like one way is shields, one way is weapons,

03:14SPEAKERone way is energy, is engines,

03:16SPEAKERand the other one is rebalance it.

03:18SPEAKERAnd then like shield distribution,

03:20SPEAKERall that stuff is spread out spread along

03:22SPEAKERthe other buttons and it's working pretty well.

03:23SPEAKER- So you're so good at flying an X-wing,

03:25SPEAKERyou could do it blind.

03:26SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know if I could do it blind.

03:28SPEAKERI have my targeting computer on.

03:29SPEAKER- Yeah dude, you heard the man,

03:30SPEAKERturn off the targeting computer.

03:32SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:50SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

03:59SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made at TechPod.

04:01SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:02SPEAKER- Hi Brad.

04:03SPEAKER- Hello.

04:04SPEAKER- Hi.

04:04SPEAKER- Hey Brad.

04:05SPEAKER- What's up?

04:06SPEAKER- Anything happening this week?

04:07SPEAKERAnything exciting going on in the world?

04:08SPEAKER- No, just been hanging out.

04:09SPEAKERYou know, it's been like a quiet week around here really.

04:09SPEAKER- Yeah, there's nothing, just no news.

04:10SPEAKERNo news is good news.

04:11SPEAKERThat's what we always say.

04:12SPEAKER- Happening in any category of my life at all.

04:15SPEAKER- No.

04:16SPEAKER- Just steady as she goes.

04:18SPEAKER- Smooth sailing.

04:20SPEAKER- It's a good raconteurous song.

04:22SPEAKERI found out that the president had the coronavirus

04:25SPEAKERwhile I was streaming.

04:26SPEAKER- What?

04:27SPEAKER- Wait, have you not been paying attention

04:28SPEAKERto the news at all?

04:29SPEAKER- Of course I do.

04:30SPEAKER- It's a spoiler.

04:31SPEAKER- Dude, I've done nothing but look at the news

04:32SPEAKERover the last 24 hours.

04:34SPEAKER- I found out while I was streaming

04:35SPEAKERand I'm pretty sure I laughed

04:37SPEAKER'cause I thought it was a joke.

04:37SPEAKER(laughing)

04:39SPEAKERI thought somebody was goofing on me.

04:41SPEAKER- Yeah, you do.

04:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:43SPEAKER- All of life is a joke right now.

04:44SPEAKER- But you know what?

04:46SPEAKER- A dark, a sick dark joke.

04:48SPEAKER- You know what is a light, fun--

04:51SPEAKER- A fluffy, airy joke.

04:51SPEAKER- Funny dystopia, yeah, exactly.

04:54SPEAKERIt's something that's full of laughter and joy and mirth.

04:57SPEAKER- Yeah, what's that?

04:58SPEAKER- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

04:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:00SPEAKER- So about a month ago, we promised that we hit

05:03SPEAKERa thousand backers on the old TechPod Patreon,

05:06SPEAKERwhich you can find at patreon.com/techpod

05:08SPEAKERand back for as little as $2 a month

05:10SPEAKERto gain access to the fabulous TechPod Discord.

05:13SPEAKER- That's cool.

05:14SPEAKER- Or $5 a month to get a patron exclusive content,

05:16SPEAKERwhich we posted earlier this week,

05:18SPEAKERwhere we talked about projects that we have in process

05:20SPEAKERand a bunch of other stuff.

05:22SPEAKERBefore the weird thing happened,

05:26SPEAKERwe promised that we would read

05:27SPEAKERHitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,

05:28SPEAKERwhich is my millionth time and your first time,

05:32SPEAKERwhich is why this is exciting to me.

05:33SPEAKERI'm very excited to hear how you found

05:38SPEAKERyour 50 years-ish after it was written,

05:42SPEAKER45 years after it was written,

05:44SPEAKERhow you found Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,

05:45SPEAKERDouglas Adams' seminal 1979 work.

05:48SPEAKER- Well, it's scarcely more than 45 minutes

05:50SPEAKERsince I finished, it's still pretty fresh on my mind.

05:53SPEAKER- Okay, coming in hot.

05:55SPEAKER- What a peculiar book this is.

05:57SPEAKER- That seems right.

05:58SPEAKER- I don't mean that in a bad way,

05:59SPEAKERbut I just, I wasn't quite, I mean,

06:02SPEAKERwell, there are two ways to put this.

06:05SPEAKERI was not prepared for the way that book is structured

06:09SPEAKERand the general--

06:10SPEAKER- In the complete lack of a traditional three-act structure?

06:13SPEAKERLike the tone of it, the weird like reality bending

06:16SPEAKERkind of metaphysical aspect of it

06:18SPEAKERreally threw me for a loop.

06:19SPEAKEROn the other hand, so much of that,

06:22SPEAKERso much of the details have been absorbed

06:24SPEAKERinto my brain through osmosis over the years

06:26SPEAKERthat like a lot of stuff about it.

06:29SPEAKERShould we talk freely about it?

06:30SPEAKERCan we just assume everybody's listening to this, has read it?

06:33SPEAKER- I feel like 40 years is outside the spoilers.

06:37SPEAKERSo, okay, let's do the full, let's do the warning.

06:40SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause the example I was about to give

06:41SPEAKERis practically the end of the book.

06:42SPEAKERSo just wanna make sure.

06:44SPEAKER- If you haven't read "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,"

06:46SPEAKERabsorbed the radio play, watched the TV series,

06:48SPEAKERread the dramatized audio version,

06:51SPEAKERor watched the movie featuring Sam Rockwell

06:55SPEAKERand Zooey Deschanel and Mos Def.

06:59SPEAKER- We should talk about the movie later.

07:00SPEAKERWe'll be there.

07:01SPEAKER- If you haven't absorbed any of that

07:03SPEAKERand you're concerned about spoilers

07:04SPEAKERfor this 40-year-old property

07:06SPEAKERthat you probably already know every fucking thing about,

07:09SPEAKERmaybe don't listen to this episode

07:10SPEAKERuntil you finish reading the book.

07:11SPEAKER- Yes, yes, you've been warned.

07:12SPEAKERWe'll be here.

07:13SPEAKER- Kinda like I did.

07:14SPEAKERLike I felt like as I read through it,

07:15SPEAKERI knew about half of it already.

07:17SPEAKERThe 42 is the example I was,

07:19SPEAKERobviously the classic example I was about to give of-

07:22SPEAKER- No, the great answer.

07:23SPEAKER- Like the microsecond that anything

07:27SPEAKERhinting at a great question and answer

07:30SPEAKERstarted being talked about,

07:31SPEAKERI like 42 popped into my head immediately.

07:33SPEAKERLike that was just trying to think of some other examples.

07:36SPEAKERLike "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish"

07:38SPEAKERwas something I was very well acquainted with.

07:42SPEAKERMarvin the Paranoid Android.

07:45SPEAKER- Marvin is an eternal character as far as I'm,

07:48SPEAKERZaphod Beboprocks kind of is too.

07:50SPEAKER- Is that?

07:51SPEAKERSo that was actually like maybe my number one question

07:53SPEAKERcoming into this was how you say his first name.

07:55SPEAKER- Zaphod.

07:56SPEAKER- Zaphod?

07:57SPEAKER- Zaphod.

07:57SPEAKER- Is that canonical?

07:59SPEAKER- Canonical, yes, that is from the radio play.

08:01SPEAKER- Okay, okay, well that's as about

08:02SPEAKERas authoritative a source as you can get.

08:05SPEAKERSo it's a technically preceded the book, right?

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say for your,

08:09SPEAKERthe reason this book is weird

08:11SPEAKERis that it is an adaptation of a serialized radio drama

08:14SPEAKERthat was a radio comedy that was run on BBC Radio

08:17SPEAKERin the '70s and early '80s.

08:19SPEAKERAnd as a result, each chapter doesn't quite,

08:25SPEAKERbut almost, what is it he says?

08:28SPEAKERHe says it doesn't quite,

08:32SPEAKERit resembles but doesn't quite entirely not resemble tea

08:35SPEAKERor something like that.

08:36SPEAKER- Sure, oh, you mean like a nice brownie

08:40SPEAKERand motion generator.

08:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, hold on.

08:43SPEAKERWe get to the brownie and motion generator in this book?

08:44SPEAKER- Like a couple, yeah, that's totally in there.

08:46SPEAKERThat's how they arrived at the infinite improbability drive.

08:49SPEAKER- Oh, that's right.

08:50SPEAKERThe brownie and motion simulator

08:51SPEAKERcomes up in a later book as well.

08:53SPEAKER- I see, I see.

08:54SPEAKER- So it's hard for me to talk about specific plot beats

08:57SPEAKERand stuff in this book

08:58SPEAKERbecause I've listened to the radio dramas a lot

08:59SPEAKERover the years while I was driving back and forth places

09:01SPEAKERand commuting and they're not quite entirely dissimilar,

09:06SPEAKERbut they are like the beats are the same,

09:08SPEAKERbut then there's different,

09:09SPEAKERthere's a whole bit in the first radio play about shoes

09:12SPEAKERthat they just don't get into it all here.

09:14SPEAKERAnd I don't think towels make an appearance

09:16SPEAKERin the radio play.

09:18SPEAKERYeah, towels are very important in this book.

09:20SPEAKER- I thought, well, I thought towels after the initial,

09:23SPEAKERafter the preamble about towels,

09:24SPEAKERI thought that they would figure heavily

09:25SPEAKERinto the actual plot, but they kind of didn't so much.

09:28SPEAKER- See, this is why your Western expectation of Chekhov's gun

09:33SPEAKERdoes not apply in this one

09:35SPEAKER'cause sometimes the payoff for a one-off joke about towels

09:38SPEAKERwill take two or three books to get to

09:40SPEAKERin the world of Hitchhiker's Guide.

09:41SPEAKER- I would believe that.

09:42SPEAKERI'm trying to find, so I've got here the omnibus tome

09:46SPEAKERof all five books in front of me.

09:48SPEAKERIn the introduction,

09:49SPEAKERcheekily titled "A Guide to the Guide,"

09:52SPEAKERsome unhelpful remarks from the author.

09:56SPEAKERHe breaks down the history of this thing pretty exhaustively

10:00SPEAKERand I'm trying to find, I know he listed it in here

10:03SPEAKERand I can't find the list.

10:04SPEAKERHe explains very explicitly which episodes of the radio play

10:09SPEAKERformed the basis of the novel.

10:12SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's like one, three, five, seven,

10:13SPEAKERand most of 13 or something like that.

10:16SPEAKER- I found the list here of the second book,

10:17SPEAKERwhich is "Stress Around at the End of the Universe," right?

10:20SPEAKERThat book is episodes seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, five,

10:24SPEAKERand six in that order.

10:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:27SPEAKER- But I don't see the list of episodes of the first one.

10:29SPEAKERBut yeah, like not exactly

10:32SPEAKERyour typical three-act structure here.

10:34SPEAKERLike it really,

10:36SPEAKERI don't know what I found more discombobulating.

10:38SPEAKERThe fact that-

10:39SPEAKER- Like the weird jumps and the fact that

10:41SPEAKERthere's very little continuity between chapters sometimes.

10:43SPEAKER- Like I don't know if,

10:44SPEAKERI don't know what was more baffling.

10:48SPEAKERThe fact that there was careening

10:50SPEAKERfrom one episode to the next

10:51SPEAKERor the bizarrely deus ex machina-esque way

10:55SPEAKERthat they got there.

10:56SPEAKER- So one of the things that's important to know,

10:59SPEAKERand I feel like this was covered extensively

11:01SPEAKERin Neil Gaiman's first book, ironically,

11:05SPEAKERwhich was a biography of Douglas Adams

11:08SPEAKERand the story of the making of "Hitchhiker's Guide."

11:12SPEAKERIt's called "Don't Panic."

11:12SPEAKERIt's very, if you like "Hitchhiker's Guide,"

11:14SPEAKERit's worth reading.

11:15SPEAKERIt's really funny to read proto Neil Gaiman prose

11:19SPEAKERin a non-fiction setting now.

11:23SPEAKERBut literally there were times on the radio drama

11:26SPEAKERwhere they were recording the first part of an episode

11:29SPEAKERand he was writing the last pages of the episode

11:31SPEAKERwhile the recordings were happening.

11:33SPEAKER- So that was the other thought that occurred to me

11:34SPEAKERas I, especially as I got to the end of the book,

11:37SPEAKERwhich kind of, would you say, I like the book.

11:40SPEAKERI don't want to sound like I'm pooping on it

11:42SPEAKERor anything here.

11:43SPEAKERI enjoyed it quite a bit.

11:44SPEAKERIt's just like, it's just weird.

11:45SPEAKERIt's really, it's just not, it's very unconventional.

11:49SPEAKERSo.

11:49SPEAKER- I mean, it just stops.

11:51SPEAKERHe's literally.

11:52SPEAKER- That's what I was gonna ask you was, is it fair,

11:54SPEAKERdo you think it's fair to say

11:55SPEAKERthe book kind of doesn't have an ending?

11:57SPEAKER- Oh no, the book absolutely doesn't have an ending.

11:59SPEAKER- He even said in interviews,

12:01SPEAKERit may even be in the preamble in the introduction

12:04SPEAKERthat like he blew through three deadlines

12:06SPEAKERand the publisher said, hey, where are you?

12:08SPEAKERAnd then he right here and they're like,

12:09SPEAKERokay, we'll just send that over and we'll publish it.

12:11SPEAKER- That's exactly what I was gonna ask was,

12:13SPEAKERhe says in the intro, they literally said like,

12:15SPEAKERwell, we're just gonna send a car over.

12:16SPEAKERJust give us what you have.

12:17SPEAKER- Like that last line in the book,

12:19SPEAKERthe, oh, let's see, it's where he says,

12:25SPEAKERit's like a Zaphod Beeblebrox line.

12:27SPEAKERAnd it seems like something that was totally just written

12:31SPEAKERby like the editor of the book.

12:33SPEAKER'Cause it doesn't even seem like a Zaphod Beeblebrox line.

12:38SPEAKERYeah, it's okay, maybe hold tight, said Zaphod,

12:42SPEAKERwe'll take in a quick bite at the restaurant

12:43SPEAKERat the end of the universe,

12:44SPEAKERwhich is literally the title of the next part,

12:46SPEAKERwhich is, you know, yeah.

12:49SPEAKERIt's like, it is, it is in terms of like,

12:54SPEAKERthere's so much in here that structurally shouldn't work.

12:56SPEAKERLike there's lines like an expression of deep worry

13:02SPEAKERand concern failed to cross either of Zaphod's faces.

13:05SPEAKERLike that is absolutely not the right way

13:06SPEAKERto write that sentence

13:07SPEAKERif you're writing grammatically correct English,

13:09SPEAKERbut it works.

13:10SPEAKER- Sure, it gets the point across.

13:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

13:15SPEAKERYou know, this is another one of my favorites.

13:17SPEAKERWhen you're cruising down the road in the fast lane,

13:19SPEAKERyou lazily sail past a few hard driving cars

13:21SPEAKERand you're feeling pretty pleased with yourself

13:23SPEAKERand then accidentally change down from fourth to first

13:25SPEAKERinstead of third,

13:26SPEAKERthus making your engine leap out of your hood

13:28SPEAKERin a rather ugly mess.

13:29SPEAKERThat's the first punctuation in that sentence.

13:32SPEAKERAnd then it finishes,

13:33SPEAKERit tends to throw you off your stride

13:34SPEAKERin much the same way that this remark

13:36SPEAKERthrough Ford Prefect office.

13:37SPEAKERHe could have just said,

13:38SPEAKERFord Prefect was mildly confused by this, but like-

13:42SPEAKER- But it's a very evocative way to describe

13:44SPEAKERexactly the feeling that he had.

13:45SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful.

13:48SPEAKERAnd there's like 10 of these,

13:50SPEAKERthere's another one I highlighted on this page

13:51SPEAKERthat is, you know, when Ford meets Zafod for the first time,

13:57SPEAKERand he's like, oh, I said we've met.

13:59SPEAKERAnd Ford is like, what the fuck are you talking about, monkey?

14:02SPEAKERAnd he says, Ford rounded on Arthur

14:04SPEAKERwith an angry flash in his eyes.

14:05SPEAKERNow he felt he was back on home ground.

14:07SPEAKERHe suddenly began to resent having lumbered himself

14:10SPEAKERwith this ignorant primitive

14:11SPEAKERwho knew as much about the affairs of the galaxy

14:14SPEAKERas an Ilford-based Nat knew about life in Peking, right?

14:18SPEAKERIt's just, right.

14:20SPEAKER- The prose is delightful and unwieldy and bad.

14:23SPEAKER- A lot of flourishes in there, for sure.

14:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:26SPEAKER- I feel like by the end of like the first chapter,

14:29SPEAKERI started to appreciate why this book

14:31SPEAKERwould be such a like formative experience

14:34SPEAKERor a formative work for a young nerd.

14:37SPEAKER- It was-

14:38SPEAKER- It was, well, sorry, go ahead.

14:40SPEAKER- No, no.

14:41SPEAKER- Like specifically, it was the moment for me

14:43SPEAKERwhere he's laying in the mud,

14:44SPEAKERtrying to prevent the destruction of his house.

14:47SPEAKERAnd he basically outlogics the functionary

14:50SPEAKERwho was there to preside over the destruction of his house

14:53SPEAKERinto laying in the mud for him

14:55SPEAKERand stopping the destruction of his own house

14:57SPEAKERwhile he goes and has a beer.

14:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:59SPEAKER- You know, purely through some kind of like logical trap

15:02SPEAKERthat he lays for this guy, you know?

15:04SPEAKERIt's like, all right, I realized it like immediately,

15:06SPEAKERlike, oh, this book is playing fast and loose

15:09SPEAKERwith like the rules of reality and like metaphysics

15:12SPEAKERand logic in a way that like a kid

15:15SPEAKERwho was a little bit too smart for his own grade

15:17SPEAKERwould really get into.

15:18SPEAKER- Well, that makes sense.

15:19SPEAKER- It's funny you say that because one of my dads,

15:23SPEAKERmy parents' friends' second wife,

15:25SPEAKERwho is also one of my parents' friends,

15:27SPEAKERbut she was much younger than them,

15:29SPEAKERhanded me this book when I was probably

15:30SPEAKERsomewhere between 10 and 12.

15:32SPEAKERSo I was like in fifth or sixth grade probably.

15:34SPEAKERAnd she handed me this, she said,

15:35SPEAKER"Do you like Star Wars, right?"

15:36SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Yeah."

15:37SPEAKERShe's like, "You like funny stuff, right?"

15:38SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Yeah."

15:39SPEAKERShe handed me this big book that had a giant,

15:41SPEAKERlike smiley green guy with thumbs up

15:43SPEAKERthat said, "Don't panic" on the cover.

15:45SPEAKERAnd she's like, "Read this, you'll really like it."

15:47SPEAKERAnd I read it and I really liked it.

15:49SPEAKERAnd I read it probably 10 more times

15:51SPEAKERover the next few years, but it was such a,

15:54SPEAKERcompared to the other stuff I had been exposed to,

15:56SPEAKERthe other books that I'd been exposed to,

15:59SPEAKERit was so profoundly weird,

16:01SPEAKERboth in its kind of British colloquialisms

16:05SPEAKERand in addition to talking about foreign,

16:09SPEAKERlike in addition to talking about outer space stuff

16:12SPEAKERthat I actually, I know which star is Beetlejuice, right?

16:15SPEAKERLike I can look at it and find it in the sky.

16:17SPEAKERI don't know where the hell Ilford is, right?

16:20SPEAKERThat could have been a made up place.

16:21SPEAKERWhen he was talking about being on a field

16:22SPEAKERoutside Innsbruck, Austria in the preamble,

16:26SPEAKERthat could have been a made up place

16:27SPEAKERfor all I knew in Northeast Tennessee in 1986

16:30SPEAKERor whatever year it was.

16:32SPEAKERSo it was being exposed to something

16:38SPEAKERthat the prose was both so flourishing and weird

16:42SPEAKERand unsettling in some places even,

16:46SPEAKERreally shaped my search for stuff.

16:50SPEAKERAnd it actually, like I went to the library

16:52SPEAKERand asked the librarian, hey,

16:53SPEAKERI've read the Hitchhiker's Guide book.

16:55SPEAKERAnd she's like, well, you're probably too young for that.

16:56SPEAKERAnd I was like, yeah, it worked out.

16:58SPEAKERSo I was like, do you have anything else that's like that?

17:00SPEAKERAnd then she pointed to me and Mark Twain

17:01SPEAKERand I bounced off of that immediately.

17:03SPEAKERAnd it was like, maybe not.

17:04SPEAKER- It's from a different era, I get where they maybe

17:07SPEAKERsaw some overlap there.

17:10SPEAKERI found it to be pretty, I don't know,

17:13SPEAKERpretty perceptive around certain like sociological

17:16SPEAKERand economic topics and stuff too,

17:17SPEAKERabout like the wealth hoarding of, God, what is it?

17:23SPEAKER- Magrathea. - Magrathea.

17:24SPEAKER- Magratheans. - Yes, yes.

17:25SPEAKERThe collapse of the galactic empire

17:27SPEAKERdue to the wealth hoarding of the Magratheans.

17:30SPEAKERThe kind of- - Seems a little prescient.

17:31SPEAKER- The kind of the cynical nature

17:33SPEAKERof like self-serving politicians

17:35SPEAKERwho just sort of prioritize like aesthetics

17:38SPEAKERover substance and policy, you know?

17:41SPEAKER- You see, it's safe on people rocks is a parable

17:44SPEAKERand not winning for our time, yes.

17:46SPEAKER- Totally, except kind of like a benign,

17:49SPEAKERlike a goofball one, you know?

17:51SPEAKER- Like I mean, I'm sure that the president thinks

17:53SPEAKERhe's a benign goofball too.

17:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, that stuff was very, like a lot of like,

18:02SPEAKERone of the interesting things reading this now

18:03SPEAKERis how much of the stuff that I missed

18:06SPEAKERor just completely glossed over

18:08SPEAKERwithout understanding at all,

18:11SPEAKERyou know, now versus, then versus now.

18:16SPEAKERReality TV, like in a lot of ways,

18:19SPEAKERthe stuff that they're talking about

18:21SPEAKERis a straight precursor to,

18:24SPEAKERlike when Deep Thought gives the philosophers,

18:28SPEAKERtells them, "Hey, you got $7 million years to make bank,"

18:32SPEAKERwhile I think about this, just yell at each other enough

18:35SPEAKERand people will keep watching.

18:37SPEAKER- Oh God.

18:37SPEAKER- That was, for something written in the 70s,

18:39SPEAKERlike late 70s, early 80s, holy cow,

18:42SPEAKERit was before Jerry Springer, it was before Donahue, really.

18:44SPEAKER- Or I mean, you know, or even, you know,

18:45SPEAKERbefore like the combative style

18:47SPEAKERof like 24/7 cable political programming, right?

18:52SPEAKER- There was no Real Housewives

18:53SPEAKERthat he was watching in 1980 that he was like,

18:55SPEAKER"Oh yeah, this is good, people are yelling at each other,

18:57SPEAKER"people love that shit."

18:58SPEAKER- Right, or you know, that was like not that long

19:01SPEAKERafter the, when was the famous, the Gore Vidal, Bill Buckley?

19:08SPEAKER- Oh, the debate thing?

19:09SPEAKER- That debate, yeah, the thing that kind of was the like,

19:12SPEAKERGenesis of Fox News and stuff like that,

19:14SPEAKERlike that's kind of,

19:15SPEAKERkind of echoes that a little bit, right?

19:18SPEAKERLike just, you know, a couple of philosophers getting rich

19:22SPEAKERby just yelling at each other

19:23SPEAKERand disagreeing endlessly on television.

19:26SPEAKER- All you have to do is yell enough

19:27SPEAKERand anybody can be famous.

19:29SPEAKER- Thanks for the Kardashians, Douglas Adams.

19:33SPEAKERNo, so in terms of the structure in this book though,

19:35SPEAKERone of the things that struck me is there is a lot of,

19:38SPEAKERVince Gilligan has said that their writing process

19:41SPEAKERfor Breaking Bad often was to like,

19:45SPEAKERwrite themselves into a corner and then look,

19:47SPEAKERlook at like, look around at the set

19:49SPEAKERand see what kind of tools were available to the characters

19:53SPEAKERthat could get them out of this trouble

19:54SPEAKERthey found themselves in.

19:55SPEAKERIt's how like, it's how they ended up

19:58SPEAKERwhen they had captured a guy

19:59SPEAKERand they didn't know how to capture a guy

20:01SPEAKER'cause they were new to the criming.

20:03SPEAKERThey used a U-lock and like U-lock the dude around the neck

20:07SPEAKERto the pole in a basement.

20:10SPEAKERAnd that was because they knew that he'd have a U-lock

20:12SPEAKER'cause there was a bicycle in the garage

20:14SPEAKERthat was in an earlier shot in one of the earlier scenes.

20:16SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of that here too.

20:18SPEAKERLike the difference is that where the Breaking Bad

20:22SPEAKERwriting staff would like, you know,

20:24SPEAKERuse something from reality,

20:26SPEAKERDouglas Adams would just lop off the whole inconvenient

20:28SPEAKERcorner and move on to the next thing.

20:30SPEAKERYeah.

20:32SPEAKER- Yeah, he really gives himself a lot of just like,

20:34SPEAKERvery convenient sort of logical exits

20:36SPEAKERfor a lot of situations, right?

20:38SPEAKER- Well, but it's, I mean, it's an interesting situation

20:40SPEAKER'cause like the technology,

20:42SPEAKERthe way he presents space technology,

20:46SPEAKERand this happens more in the later books,

20:47SPEAKERbut even in this one, there's a broad range of what people,

20:50SPEAKERyou know, there's like hyperdimensional,

20:52SPEAKERsuper intelligent mice that have infinite technology.

20:55SPEAKERAnd then there's like, you know,

20:57SPEAKERthe rich white people equivalent in the current galaxy,

20:59SPEAKERlike Zapod Beaver Box that have the super duper ship.

21:02SPEAKERAnd then there's just like the normal chuds

21:04SPEAKERthat we don't see a lot of,

21:05SPEAKERbut like the cops have low end gear.

21:09SPEAKERAnd when Marvin over depresses their ship,

21:13SPEAKERthe computer stops working, those guys just croak

21:15SPEAKERbecause you know, their low budget hardware stops working.

21:19SPEAKER- Sure.

21:20SPEAKER- It's like, I mean, you could say

21:25SPEAKERa lot of the outs are Deus Ex Machina's,

21:29SPEAKERbut I mean, it's a world of,

21:32SPEAKERit's the Arthur Clark thing about, you know,

21:34SPEAKERsufficiently advanced technologies

21:35SPEAKERindistinguishable from magic.

21:36SPEAKERSo, you know, is it plot armor?

21:38SPEAKERIs it magic technology?

21:40SPEAKER- The way that they arrived

21:40SPEAKERat the infinite improbability drive,

21:42SPEAKERI think is like the best example of that

21:44SPEAKERbecause the logical progression was basically like,

21:48SPEAKERwhat was it they said?

21:49SPEAKERLike the guy who invented it basically just said like,

21:52SPEAKERwell, if they say it's a virtual impossibility,

21:54SPEAKERthen that means it's actually a finite improbability.

21:57SPEAKER- Improbability, yeah.

21:58SPEAKER- So I just need to calculate exactly what those odds are

22:00SPEAKERand then feed them into this machine

22:02SPEAKERand like flip the switch and it'll just come right out.

22:04SPEAKERAnd sure enough, it did.

22:05SPEAKER- The description of the parties

22:08SPEAKERthat they use the technology for,

22:10SPEAKERthe thing about making the hostesses undergarments

22:17SPEAKERleap three feet to the left or something

22:20SPEAKERis just the kind of delightful science oversimplification.

22:30SPEAKERIt's the equivalent of using liquid carbon dioxide

22:33SPEAKERor liquid nitrogen to make your drink bubble

22:36SPEAKERat a chemistry party in college and that was, yeah.

22:43SPEAKERThe thing that I love about this book

22:45SPEAKERis that every time you start to think

22:47SPEAKERyou have an understanding of what's going on,

22:49SPEAKERunlike every other science fiction thing

22:51SPEAKERwhere there's some primitive earthling thrust

22:54SPEAKERinto a larger galactic world,

22:56SPEAKERthat Arthur Clarke and Isaac Asimov

22:59SPEAKERand all of those folks were writing prior to this,

23:06SPEAKERthese books are aware that this whole universe

23:11SPEAKERis gonna seem absurd.

23:13SPEAKERAnd the idea of an infinite universe

23:15SPEAKERwhere there is some life forms that look like Bic pens

23:18SPEAKERand some life forms that are like hyper intelligent shades

23:22SPEAKERof the color blue is going to be inherently absurd

23:26SPEAKERto anyone who as recently as 50,000 years ago

23:30SPEAKERwas hanging out in trees and wasn't using any kind of tool.

23:41SPEAKER- I find it to be utterly delightful.

23:44SPEAKEREven the other thing that struck me

23:46SPEAKERis how little it's dated.

23:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I was making notes

23:51SPEAKERof some of the depictions of technology in there

23:53SPEAKERand I was like, there's a couple of spots

23:55SPEAKERwhere it does feel very seventies,

23:57SPEAKERbut like it envisions-

23:58SPEAKER- Digital watches, there's a lot about digital watches.

24:01SPEAKER- The digital watch stuff stands out

24:02SPEAKERin that context for sure.

24:03SPEAKERBut I mean, the ones that seemed pretty prescient to me

24:06SPEAKERwere like, there's like the flying camera drones

24:09SPEAKERfor the TV news around when the unveiling ceremony

24:13SPEAKERfor the magic spaceship.

24:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:16SPEAKER- Like there's straight up cameras mounted to drones.

24:20SPEAKERIn the bridge of the heart of gold,

24:22SPEAKERthey talk about how like switches and knobs

24:24SPEAKERfor traditional control surfaces and spaceships

24:26SPEAKERhad evolved into touchscreens.

24:28SPEAKERAnd then those had just evolved

24:30SPEAKERinto gesture based kind of motion controls.

24:33SPEAKER- And also like he nailed the problem with connect.

24:36SPEAKERLike if Douglas Adams lived long enough to see connect,

24:39SPEAKERlike the problem with this

24:40SPEAKERis that you move your head the wrong way

24:41SPEAKERand all of a sudden the spaceship veers off to the left.

24:43SPEAKER- The line was something about like,

24:45SPEAKERonce you find a station that you like with that interface,

24:47SPEAKERyou just have to sit infuriatingly still.

24:51SPEAKERBut then, so we started talking about this

24:53SPEAKERbefore the episode and then you started to correct me.

24:55SPEAKERAnd so I wanna hear your answer here

24:56SPEAKERbecause you mentioned that you felt like the guide itself

25:00SPEAKERor the physical depiction of the guide in the book

25:03SPEAKERis kind of like a smartphone.

25:05SPEAKER'Cause it is-

25:06SPEAKER- The guide is depicted as something

25:08SPEAKERthat like if you were comparing it to a piece of hardware

25:10SPEAKERthat people will probably be familiar with

25:12SPEAKERwho were listening, probably like a Blackberry.

25:14SPEAKERSo it's like a screen with a whole boatload of buttons

25:16SPEAKERon the bottom.

25:17SPEAKER- Yes, that's how it's described.

25:18SPEAKERSo like the point I started to make

25:19SPEAKERbefore we started recording was

25:21SPEAKERhe came up with touchscreen interfaces

25:23SPEAKERand he came up with a pocket computer

25:25SPEAKERwith like functionally infinite information,

25:28SPEAKERbut he didn't think to marry those two

25:29SPEAKERand produce the actual modern smartphone.

25:32SPEAKERBut then you started to say that you had a reason for that.

25:35SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I think he was looking,

25:37SPEAKERI think he felt like the buttons were more practical, right?

25:40SPEAKERI think he felt like the touchscreen

25:41SPEAKERwas somewhere on that spectrum

25:43SPEAKERbetween the hardware buttons

25:47SPEAKERand the having to sit infuriating still

25:48SPEAKERto avoid changing the channel by accident.

25:51SPEAKERAnd like the interesting thing about the guide to me

25:55SPEAKERis that it was basically,

25:57SPEAKERit's basically just like an internet connected

25:58SPEAKERWikipedia terminal, which somebody made.

26:00SPEAKERI feel like that was a product

26:01SPEAKERthat somebody released in like 2005 or 2008.

26:06SPEAKERBut yeah, the buttons,

26:08SPEAKERlike the whole point of the guide

26:10SPEAKERis in his description of it.

26:12SPEAKERAnd this may be from a further book

26:13SPEAKERor from the radio play or something,

26:14SPEAKERbut it's supposed to be non-threatening.

26:16SPEAKERIt's supposed to be friendly.

26:16SPEAKERIt's supposed to make you feel better about where you are.

26:18SPEAKERAnd it's, remember it's for hitchhikers.

26:20SPEAKERSo it's for the pores.

26:21SPEAKERIt's not, this isn't,

26:23SPEAKERthis isn't some cutting edge touchscreen technology.

26:25SPEAKERThis is-

26:26SPEAKER- So democratizing gateway to the galaxy's information.

26:29SPEAKER- Yeah, five Voltairian dollars a day.

26:31SPEAKER- Yes.

26:35SPEAKER- It's amazing.

26:36SPEAKERIt was also amazing to me kind of how much of this,

26:40SPEAKERhow much of this book,

26:44SPEAKERparticularly the book impacted the like late nineties,

26:48SPEAKERearly two thousands internet monoculture.

26:51SPEAKER- Yes.

26:51SPEAKER- ThinkGeek sold a ringer,

26:54SPEAKERa blue ringer t-shirt in like the fallout colors

26:57SPEAKERwith the number 42 on it.

26:59SPEAKERFor years, I own one.

27:01SPEAKERIt became Gina's favorite nightgown.

27:02SPEAKERAnd I bought that before we moved out here.

27:04SPEAKER'Cause like it came from Tennessee with us.

27:06SPEAKER- Sure.

27:08SPEAKERWhere does the green guy come from?

27:09SPEAKERLike it's on the cover of my omnibus edition,

27:12SPEAKERlike the little dot kind of dude

27:13SPEAKERwith the tongue and the arms.

27:16SPEAKER- Who knows?

27:17SPEAKER- Really?

27:18SPEAKER- Never shows up.

27:19SPEAKER- Right, I was like, I was starting to racking my brain

27:21SPEAKERafter I finished the book,

27:22SPEAKERtrying to figure out where that cover art comes from.

27:24SPEAKERAnd I don't think it does.

27:26SPEAKER- This is an informed guess, but my guess is that,

27:28SPEAKER'cause it's not on,

27:29SPEAKERit wasn't on the UK publisher original versions.

27:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I Googled some other alternate cover arts

27:34SPEAKERfrom different editions.

27:35SPEAKERAnd it's not on every edition of the book by any means.

27:37SPEAKER- It just says don't panic on the UK ones.

27:40SPEAKERAnd my guess, I don't know for sure,

27:42SPEAKERbut my guess is that somebody in the UK,

27:45SPEAKERin the US publisher's art department said,

27:47SPEAKER"Hey, you know, books sell better

27:48SPEAKERif they have a face on them."

27:50SPEAKER- Ironically, it's only like half a face

27:52SPEAKER'cause there's no nose or eyes.

27:53SPEAKERIt's just a mouth.

27:55SPEAKER- But that guy was on the version I got in like 1985.

27:57SPEAKER- Really?

27:58SPEAKER- Yeah, he's been on all of the,

27:59SPEAKERhe was on the audio books.

28:00SPEAKERHe was on the, all of that stuff.

28:03SPEAKER- Interesting.

28:03SPEAKER- I feel like maybe he was supposed to be on the cover

28:05SPEAKERof the guide saying don't panic.

28:07SPEAKER- Okay.

28:08SPEAKER- It's unclear to me.

28:08SPEAKER- I would believe that, sure.

28:10SPEAKER- I think of him as the hitchhiker's guide

28:11SPEAKERto the galaxy blob.

28:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see it.

28:15SPEAKER- I don't know if it was, I don't remember if that,

28:16SPEAKERit's been a long time since I read the Neil Gaiman book,

28:19SPEAKERbut I don't know if they covered that at all in there.

28:22SPEAKER- Yeah, but yeah, like by the same token

28:23SPEAKERthat I was going through and recognizing

28:25SPEAKERa bunch of the traits of this book

28:27SPEAKERthat have permeated popular culture,

28:28SPEAKERI was also looking, I was also finding all these references

28:31SPEAKERthat have been appropriated by other things.

28:34SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

28:35SPEAKER- Like the second that the character of Trillian

28:37SPEAKERwas introduced, I was like, really?

28:38SPEAKERIs that where that came from?

28:39SPEAKERBecause I used that IM client for however long it existed.

28:43SPEAKER- Late '90s monoculture.

28:45SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.

28:46SPEAKERI was an avid Trillian user and I never had any idea

28:48SPEAKERwhere in fact, no, maybe I'm mixing.

28:51SPEAKERI was gonna say, wasn't the icon of Trillian

28:53SPEAKERlike a green dot or am I mixing that up with something else?

28:56SPEAKER- You could make the icon of Trillian a green dot

28:59SPEAKERfor your online status if you want it,

29:00SPEAKERbut I don't remember.

29:01SPEAKER- Okay, maybe I'm mixing that, yeah,

29:02SPEAKERthat might be a little bit too much.

29:03SPEAKER- I feel like it was like a blobby logo-y looking thing.

29:06SPEAKER- Too much overlap, but I have to assume

29:08SPEAKERthat's where they got the name of that IM client from.

29:11SPEAKER- Oh, 100%.

29:12SPEAKER- As soon as I saw "Paranoid Android,"

29:14SPEAKERI obviously thought of the Radiohead song.

29:16SPEAKER- The Babblefish?

29:18SPEAKERRemember Google Translate was originally called

29:19SPEAKERthe Babblefish. - Yes, okay, thank you.

29:21SPEAKERIt was killing me.

29:22SPEAKERI was trying to make a list of these before we started here

29:24SPEAKERand I knew there were at least a couple.

29:25SPEAKERI was forgetting Babblefish was a huge one.

29:27SPEAKER- Oh, no matter if all people do

29:33SPEAKERin this week's episode part of the TechPod Discord

29:36SPEAKERis talk about the things that are the same,

29:39SPEAKERthat this caused to be named something.

29:42SPEAKER- Details of this book that have leaked out

29:44SPEAKERinto product naming. - It'll be pages and pages.

29:46SPEAKER- I would love to hear more that I,

29:48SPEAKERI'm glad you thought of Babblefish.

29:50SPEAKERI noticed, I mean, I know the concept

29:52SPEAKERof the Googleplex exists outside of Google, the company,

29:55SPEAKERbut it's just a math, yeah, thing, right?

29:57SPEAKER- Right, but I do wonder if the inclusion of that term

30:00SPEAKERin this book maybe helped inform them.

30:02SPEAKER- Clearly, Sergey and Larry or somebody there early on

30:05SPEAKERwere fans, right? - Yes, right.

30:09SPEAKERThere were even like little,

30:12SPEAKERjust kind of like manners of speech in here

30:14SPEAKERthat I recognize from people I used to talk to on IRC

30:17SPEAKERback in the late '90s.

30:18SPEAKER- Oh, yeah.

30:19SPEAKER- Like just like little kind of verbal ticks almost,

30:21SPEAKERlike ways of truncating words and stuff like that

30:24SPEAKERthat I was like, huh, that explains-

30:25SPEAKER- For example?

30:26SPEAKER- Like the one that really comes to mind

30:28SPEAKERis the way that people shorten because, the word because.

30:32SPEAKER- Oh, the C-O-Z?

30:33SPEAKER- C-O-S is the one in the book that I read

30:36SPEAKERbecause like the, at least in America,

30:37SPEAKERI think that the most common way on the internet,

30:40SPEAKERmaybe not so much these days,

30:40SPEAKERbut definitely back in the kind of late '90s,

30:43SPEAKERthe most common way to truncate that word was C-U-Z, 'cause.

30:47SPEAKEROr at least in my experience. - Oh, no.

30:48SPEAKER- Really? - Oh, I think

30:49SPEAKERthat might be a regional one.

30:51SPEAKER- Okay, maybe so.

30:51SPEAKER- Anyway, like I really, I never saw,

30:54SPEAKERI saw a C-A-U-S-E with an apostrophe.

30:56SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah, that one, well, that's-

30:58SPEAKER- So that hardly saves you any characters.

30:59SPEAKER- A little too formal for me, thank you.

31:01SPEAKERYeah, if you use the apostrophe,

31:02SPEAKERthat's only saving yourself one character stroke.

31:05SPEAKER- I always thought if you see C-U-Z,

31:06SPEAKERpeople are talking about their cousin.

31:07SPEAKER- Well, that was another use for it, sure,

31:09SPEAKERbut I definitely saw, anyway, like I knew somebody who,

31:12SPEAKERit's funny, all the overlap here.

31:14SPEAKERI knew somebody who spelled it C-O-S on IRC.

31:17SPEAKER- Okay.

31:18SPEAKER- They were also a big Radiohead fan.

31:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:21SPEAKER- They were also, I think, probably a Tiger's Guide fan.

31:23SPEAKERLike, I don't know, whatever.

31:24SPEAKERIt's just a bunch of little details from my life

31:26SPEAKERthat I picked out of this book and thought like,

31:27SPEAKERoh, that's where, that maybe is exactly where that came from.

31:30SPEAKER- Well, the weird thing about this to me is that

31:32SPEAKERI don't know, like, I don't fully understand.

31:38SPEAKERLike, I know that a lot of times,

31:39SPEAKERbecause Britain is a little bit smaller

31:40SPEAKERand because at the time there was more of a monoculture,

31:43SPEAKERyou know, there was radio, there was TV,

31:44SPEAKERbut there weren't 50 million channels

31:46SPEAKERand Netflix and all that stuff.

31:48SPEAKERLike, I don't know how much of a phenomena,

31:50SPEAKERI know that this was presented

31:52SPEAKERin "Don't Panic" as a phenomena,

31:54SPEAKERbut I don't know what a radio drama phenomena meant in 1980.

31:59SPEAKERLike, even in the UK, I don't know if that meant

32:01SPEAKERthat everybody had listened to this

32:02SPEAKERor if like a double digit percentage of the country

32:05SPEAKERhad listened to this, or if, you know,

32:07SPEAKERa million people had listened to this.

32:09SPEAKERAnd I wonder how much, like,

32:14SPEAKERthis felt a little bit like a counter-cultury

32:17SPEAKERkind of niche thing in the US right up until the point

32:20SPEAKERthat I got on the internet.

32:21SPEAKER- And then you were like,

32:22SPEAKER"Oh, wait, everybody I know has read this."

32:24SPEAKER- I was like, yeah, all these people have been,

32:25SPEAKERthey all know that, yeah,

32:26SPEAKERthere's a "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" mud.

32:29SPEAKERThere's an info, I didn't know there was an Infocom game,

32:31SPEAKERI should get that, I should play that.

32:32SPEAKER- Have you played that?

32:33SPEAKER- I've never played it.

32:34SPEAKER- Really?

32:35SPEAKER- No.

32:36SPEAKER- We should check that out maybe sometime.

32:37SPEAKER- I've been saving it, yeah, I would, yeah.

32:39SPEAKER- I mean, you know, he goes into that in the introduction

32:41SPEAKERthat he basically makes it sound

32:42SPEAKERlike every different manifestation of this work

32:45SPEAKERhas been pretty different from every other one.

32:48SPEAKERSo, have you listened to the radio play?

32:51SPEAKER- Yes, multiple times, it's very good.

32:52SPEAKER- Is it that different?

32:56SPEAKER- The thing that he said about it being like chapters one,

32:58SPEAKERthree, five, seven, and most of 14 is absolutely correct,

33:01SPEAKERyes.

33:02SPEAKER- Okay, it was kind of hard to tell in the introduction

33:03SPEAKERif he was just being self-deprecating.

33:04SPEAKER- No, but yes, but also it was true.

33:07SPEAKER- I think the phrasing is something like,

33:09SPEAKERthe novel bore very little resemblance to the radio play

33:11SPEAKERand then the computer came,

33:13SPEAKERbore very little resemblance to the novel.

33:15SPEAKER- So, for example, in the radio play,

33:18SPEAKERwhen the cops are shooting at the computer bank

33:20SPEAKERthat they're on, the computer bank blows up

33:24SPEAKERand they all think that they're dead,

33:27SPEAKERbut they're not, they're just at the restaurant.

33:29SPEAKERAnd that happens at almost exactly the same,

33:32SPEAKERlike as they're leaving Magrathea.

33:34SPEAKERBut like, there's a whole lot of confusion

33:39SPEAKERabout what's going on and it is the biggest plot jump,

33:41SPEAKERI think, in the whole series.

33:44SPEAKER- So they just skip right over Marvin convincing

33:47SPEAKERthe cop's spaceship to commit suicide?

33:49SPEAKER- Oh, they get to it.

33:50SPEAKER- Okay.

33:51SPEAKER- I don't actually know if they get to the,

33:52SPEAKERMarvin convincing the, yeah, you're right.

33:54SPEAKER- That was maybe one of the darker moments in that book,

33:56SPEAKERI thought.

33:57SPEAKER- Like, there's the, so Marvin, I think,

33:59SPEAKERwas originally supposed to be a throwaway character

34:01SPEAKERwho people ended up liking on the radio show,

34:03SPEAKERso he got to hang around.

34:05SPEAKERAnd Marvin ends up hanging around a lot in the books.

34:09SPEAKER- Interesting.

34:10SPEAKER- Like, a whole, Marvin is very good.

34:13SPEAKERMarvin's one of my favorites.

34:14SPEAKER- Well, I keep saying they,

34:14SPEAKERbut it's obviously, it's just Douglas Adams.

34:16SPEAKERDoes he run with some of the dangling threads

34:19SPEAKERat the end of this book?

34:20SPEAKERLike, what happened with Zaphod?

34:21SPEAKERAlso, I, and I'll have to cut myself off,

34:24SPEAKERI'm not used to saying Zaphod yet.

34:26SPEAKERIn my head, my head, it was Zaphod.

34:28SPEAKER- Oh, no, Zaphod.

34:29SPEAKER- Or I even wondered, I didn't think this,

34:32SPEAKERbut I even wondered if somebody might pronounce it

34:33SPEAKERlike Zapod or something like that.

34:35SPEAKER- Zaphod?

34:36SPEAKER- Yes, something like that, but Zaphod.

34:38SPEAKER- Zaphod Beeblebrox invented the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.

34:41SPEAKER- Yes, like the mystery of whatever he did to his own brain?

34:45SPEAKERWhatever's locked in his brain?

34:47SPEAKERLike, do they revisit stuff like that?

34:49SPEAKER- There's five more books, Brad.

34:51SPEAKERIt'll work, you'll get there.

34:53SPEAKER- Okay, are they worth it?

34:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so we talked about "Dune" a couple of weeks ago,

34:59SPEAKERand my advice on "Dune" is that the first book

35:01SPEAKERis a transformative work of science fiction written,

35:04SPEAKERone of the best pieces of science fiction

35:05SPEAKERwritten in the 20th century.

35:08SPEAKERAnd each subsequent book is worse

35:10SPEAKERthan the one that precedes it.

35:11SPEAKER- It sounds like if you prize your experience

35:13SPEAKERwith that first book, you should safeguard it

35:15SPEAKERby not reading anymore.

35:16SPEAKER- Maybe the second and third books,

35:18SPEAKERif you really, really feel the need to get more,

35:20SPEAKERbut just walk away.

35:21SPEAKER- But that's not the case here.

35:23SPEAKER- These books, even the books,

35:24SPEAKERso like the fifth and the sixth books,

35:25SPEAKERthe sixth book was published posthumously.

35:28SPEAKERThe fifth book is fine.

35:31SPEAKERLike it's, but like, even the ones that are bad

35:34SPEAKERhave delightful bits in them.

35:35SPEAKERLike the fifth book has this amazing bit.

35:40SPEAKERThere's two things in it that I really love.

35:41SPEAKERI loved enough that I bookmarked them years ago.

35:45SPEAKEROne of them is this, and I'll read it.

35:50SPEAKERWhen it's about technology and failing,

35:55SPEAKERand he talks about this thing that he invented

35:57SPEAKERcalled the great ventilation and telephone riots

35:59SPEAKERof SRDT 3454, that all mechanical, electrical,

36:04SPEAKERor quantum mechanical, or hydraulic, or even wind steam,

36:06SPEAKERor piston driven devices are now required

36:08SPEAKERto have a certain legend emblazoned on them somewhere.

36:11SPEAKERIt doesn't matter how small the object is,

36:12SPEAKERthe designers of the object have got to find a way

36:14SPEAKERof squeezing the legend in somewhere,

36:15SPEAKERbecause it is their attention that is being drawn to it,

36:18SPEAKERrather than necessarily that of the users.

36:20SPEAKERThe legend is this.

36:23SPEAKERThe major difference between a thing that might go wrong

36:25SPEAKERand a thing that cannot possibly go wrong

36:27SPEAKERis that when you, a thing that cannot possibly go wrong

36:29SPEAKERgoes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible

36:32SPEAKERto get at or repair.

36:35SPEAKER- But that's a very Douglas Adams.

36:38SPEAKER- Yes. - Passage.

36:40SPEAKER- There's also a fantastic bit about sandwiches

36:42SPEAKERin that fifth book that is worth reading.

36:45SPEAKERBut look, the first, second, and third books

36:49SPEAKERwere written all kind of in the same timeframe.

36:52SPEAKERThey tell a really specific story.

36:53SPEAKERThe fourth book was added on later.

36:56SPEAKEREach of them wraps up loose ends.

36:57SPEAKERSome of the loose ends are wrapped up

36:59SPEAKERin the bad Star Wars way, where you find out

37:02SPEAKERthat the guy in the background at the cantina on Tatooine

37:06SPEAKERwas a bounty hunter or some wanted criminal or some bullshit.

37:10SPEAKERSome of them are written wrapped up

37:11SPEAKERin the Star Trek good way, where Khan shows up

37:16SPEAKERin the second movie and you're like, "Oh, okay, it's okay."

37:20SPEAKERSo, he pays your money and he takes your chances, I guess.

37:25SPEAKER- Was he, do you know if he was still actively

37:27SPEAKERworking on this stuff?

37:28SPEAKERI mean, I guess if the last book was posthumous,

37:30SPEAKERI guess he was.

37:31SPEAKERIf he was still actively trying to extend the series

37:35SPEAKERwhen he passed away, or was he trying to wrap things up?

37:37SPEAKER- I would, I don't, I never had the chance to meet him,

37:42SPEAKERwhich was a bummer, 'cause I was just getting to the point

37:44SPEAKERthat I might've been invited to some game thing

37:46SPEAKERthat he worked on when he died.

37:49SPEAKERI feel like the maybe apocryphal stories

37:53SPEAKERabout him having problems actually being a productive writer

37:58SPEAKERare such that I would say he continued working on it

38:00SPEAKERin spite of his best efforts.

38:03SPEAKERSo, he wrote these six, five and a half books, six books.

38:07SPEAKERHe wrote two books in the Dirk Gently's

38:10SPEAKERHolistic Detective Agency series that are also very good

38:13SPEAKERand absurdist, but on earth with a little tinge of mysticism.

38:18SPEAKERThey're fantastical books set in the real world,

38:21SPEAKERis the right way to describe them,

38:23SPEAKERbut not like swords and elves and shit like that.

38:26SPEAKERIt's just like math is weird,

38:27SPEAKERand when you do weird math, weird things happen.

38:30SPEAKER- Sure.

38:31SPEAKER- And then he wrote a non-fiction book

38:33SPEAKERcalled Last Chance to See,

38:34SPEAKER'cause he was a really committed environmentalist

38:36SPEAKERand worked with the World Wildlife Federation

38:38SPEAKERand a bunch of places like that and went,

38:41SPEAKERbasically went to Africa to see

38:43SPEAKERa bunch of endangered animals and kind of use his platform

38:47SPEAKERto spread the word and let people know

38:50SPEAKERthat there's stuff worth saving.

38:51SPEAKER- Yeah, that's interesting 'cause the reason I ask

38:54SPEAKERis that in the foreword in this big tome that I've got

38:58SPEAKERby Neil Gaiman, he implies pretty strongly

39:01SPEAKERthat Douglas Adams never set out to be a writer

39:03SPEAKERand in fact, maybe didn't even enjoy being one.

39:08SPEAKER- I think that's right.

39:08SPEAKERI mean, if you look at who the author proxy

39:11SPEAKERin his books are, Dirk Gently is not the author proxy,

39:15SPEAKERFord Prefect and David B. Bulbrox aren't.

39:17SPEAKERHe's Arthur Dent, right?

39:18SPEAKERHe's a guy that's always in a little bit over his head.

39:20SPEAKER- Fish out of water.

39:21SPEAKER- Yeah, and I feel like that's absolutely the case.

39:26SPEAKER- A little down on his luck, a little, yeah.

39:28SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, kind of a little bit of a schmuck,

39:30SPEAKERa guy who's like a little swept up in events

39:32SPEAKERoutside of his control.

39:33SPEAKER- Yeah, but like he's trying to do right, right?

39:36SPEAKERLike that's the defining characters of Arthur Dent

39:38SPEAKERis that he often tries to do the right thing

39:43SPEAKERand it ends up tragically not working out for him.

39:47SPEAKER- Sure, you know, I should revise what I just said.

39:49SPEAKERI don't think it's that he didn't want to be a writer.

39:51SPEAKERI don't think it's that he didn't want

39:53SPEAKERto be a novelist necessarily.

39:54SPEAKERLike I think the foreword kind of painted him

39:57SPEAKERas like he was looking to follow in the steps

39:59SPEAKERof like Monty Python and people like that.

40:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, he wrote "Doctor Who" episodes.

40:03SPEAKER- Right, right, so it's like he seemed like he wanted

40:04SPEAKERto be more of a comedy and TV writer type

40:07SPEAKERand sort of fell into writing books.

40:10SPEAKER- I don't know, I like if, yeah, like it's funny,

40:14SPEAKERif I ever met Neil Gaiman, I think the thing I would talk

40:16SPEAKERto him about most is Douglas Adams rather than.

40:19SPEAKER- It's like-- - It's fair.

40:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it's-- - You know what, I mean,

40:22SPEAKERthat is like, whatever, not to get off on a tangent here,

40:24SPEAKERbut like, and I don't meet a ton of famous people

40:25SPEAKERall the time, but like I think that's a good strategy

40:27SPEAKERfor meeting your heroes or meeting famous people

40:30SPEAKERis to talk to them about something other than themselves.

40:34SPEAKER- For most people, I think that is a very good strategy.

40:36SPEAKER- Having a pre-made or ready conversation topic

40:42SPEAKERif that is something they're interested in

40:43SPEAKERrather than their own work is, it's a good strategy.

40:47SPEAKER- Exactly, so I won't spoil things for you for the future,

40:52SPEAKERbut yes, there are almost every single thread in this book

40:57SPEAKERis picked up at some point.

40:58SPEAKER- Okay, that's good enough. - The next book picks up

41:00SPEAKERexactly where this left off, right?

41:03SPEAKERYou literally come back to the heart of gold

41:05SPEAKERas they're going to get lunch, so.

41:08SPEAKER- You know, it's really, I think it's really just a result

41:10SPEAKERof the way things played out that I'm even interested in,

41:12SPEAKERlike what his life goals and stuff were,

41:14SPEAKER'cause if he was still with us, like,

41:16SPEAKERI wouldn't spend two seconds-- - You'd have a podcast.

41:18SPEAKER- Right, I wouldn't spend two seconds thinking about like,

41:20SPEAKERoh, what was he like and what were his ambitions and stuff,

41:22SPEAKERbecause he'd still be around and it just wouldn't be

41:24SPEAKERthat interesting, but because his untimely demise

41:28SPEAKERdoes give the arc of his career a little bit

41:31SPEAKERof like a tragic undertone.

41:33SPEAKER- Well, it's, yeah, and it's interesting because like,

41:38SPEAKERhe's, we all know the people, we all know people like him,

41:41SPEAKERlike he was a guy who was into computers, right?

41:43SPEAKERHe was into, he was, even when he didn't have anything

41:46SPEAKERreally he could do with a Mac, he had a Mac or an Apple II

41:49SPEAKERand was like always noodling with that

41:51SPEAKERand was sending files back and forth,

41:53SPEAKERand like we know what's, there's a Neil Gaiman,

41:58SPEAKERI think Terry Pratchett collaboration book

42:01SPEAKERwhere they made an Amazon series out of a few years ago,

42:04SPEAKERbut it's basically, they were sending a floppy disk

42:07SPEAKERback and forth in the mail, so like Neil would write

42:10SPEAKERone chapter and he would save it to the floppy disk

42:12SPEAKERand then he'd mail the floppy disk to Terry Pratchett

42:14SPEAKERand Terry would read what he wrote

42:15SPEAKERand then write the next chapter,

42:17SPEAKERand they were alternating POVs throughout this book,

42:20SPEAKERand that was the kind of stuff,

42:21SPEAKERlike he was, Douglas Adams was really excited

42:24SPEAKERabout how technology was gonna grow,

42:28SPEAKERand at the same time, like I look at how my views

42:33SPEAKERabout technology in general have been shaped

42:36SPEAKERby reading this book at a formative age,

42:40SPEAKERand it's always, I don't wanna say it's cynical

42:48SPEAKER'cause it's not, but it's like carefully metered

42:55SPEAKERexcitement always, 'cause like there's always two sides

42:58SPEAKERof every technological coin,

43:00SPEAKERwhether it's splitting the atom for the first time

43:03SPEAKERor everybody carrying a location-aware,

43:09SPEAKERalways on microphone, spying device in our pockets

43:12SPEAKERall the time, like you have to think about

43:14SPEAKERhow all of this stuff is gonna be used,

43:16SPEAKERand he gets, he spends a lot more time

43:18SPEAKERthinking about the, like it turns out

43:20SPEAKERthat the heart of gold is an ecological disaster

43:22SPEAKERfor reasons that they won't get into for like five bucks.

43:25SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

43:28SPEAKER- And there's all sorts of interesting stuff

43:29SPEAKERthat comes along with his kind of take on tech in general.

43:33SPEAKER- Yeah, that's just, it's kind of sad looking back

43:35SPEAKERthat somebody with that kind of perspective

43:37SPEAKERwasn't around for longer.

43:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I remember it was,

43:42SPEAKERhe died when I was working at Maximum PC.

43:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it was 2001, was it?

43:47SPEAKER- It was early 2000s, for sure.

43:49SPEAKERHe was 43 years, 42 or something, 34.

43:51SPEAKER- 42 to 49?

43:53SPEAKER- He was born on the day they invented,

43:54SPEAKERthey discovered DNA, announced the discovery of DNA.

43:57SPEAKER- 49.

43:58SPEAKER- 49, yeah.

43:59SPEAKER- Yeah, was that like huge news?

44:00SPEAKERI just, I wasn't really aware of him at the time,

44:01SPEAKERso it didn't catch my eye.

44:04SPEAKER- I probably found out about it on Slashdot

44:06SPEAKERor something like that, so it was substantial.

44:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:10SPEAKER- You know, it was enough that we,

44:12SPEAKERenough people at the office were fans

44:14SPEAKERthat like people were bummed in talking about it

44:17SPEAKERat the water cooler and stuff like that.

44:19SPEAKER- Sure.

44:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:21SPEAKER- How's the movie?

44:22SPEAKERHave you seen the movie?

44:23SPEAKERI wanna say, I think it might be in the introduction

44:25SPEAKERthat he mentions in there something about

44:27SPEAKERthere's like an idea for a movie

44:29SPEAKERor like talk of there being a movie,

44:31SPEAKERbut like it has just been in some kind

44:34SPEAKERof development hell forever.

44:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so it finally came out in like 2013 or 2014, I think.

44:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:40SPEAKER- The movie's fine, like the movie,

44:43SPEAKERit's, I mean, when you take something

44:45SPEAKERthat's as unabashedly weird

44:47SPEAKERas Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is

44:50SPEAKERand try to transmogrify that into a movie,

44:53SPEAKERit's a challenge.

44:54SPEAKER- I was thinking that the whole time I was reading the book,

44:56SPEAKERI was just like this book,

44:57SPEAKERthe mental image that you paint of the events of this book

45:00SPEAKERis so fuzzy to begin with because the book itself

45:03SPEAKERhas such a like tenuous grasp on the rules of reality

45:07SPEAKERthat like having to depict that

45:08SPEAKERin some tangible form on screen, A, would be very hard

45:12SPEAKERfor the person having to do it.

45:13SPEAKERB, I don't think I would want to put such like rigid imagery

45:17SPEAKERto the kind of open-ended like imagination

45:20SPEAKERthat goes along with this book, does that make sense?

45:21SPEAKER- Yeah, no, like what does sleek like a running shoe

45:24SPEAKERlook like when you're talking about a spaceship, right?

45:26SPEAKERLike you can't make it look like a shoe,

45:29SPEAKERbut like that is, there's a very specific kind of curve

45:31SPEAKERthat you think about with running shoes.

45:33SPEAKER- Or like every time the Heart of Gold like bends reality

45:37SPEAKERor remakes reality in some way,

45:39SPEAKERlike having to make the depiction of that like finite

45:44SPEAKERand rigid on screen, as opposed to just the like

45:47SPEAKERendless weirdness that can be conjured in your head

45:49SPEAKERwhen you read that stuff.

45:50SPEAKERLike I almost don't think I would want to see that.

45:52SPEAKER- Well, yeah, like when they're talking about the waves

45:55SPEAKERat Guilford removing, the buildings moving up and down

46:00SPEAKERagainst the waves at Guilford, I was like,

46:02SPEAKERI wish I knew what Guilford looks like.

46:04SPEAKER'Cause of course, it's not like how you just go to Google

46:06SPEAKERimage search or Street View or something and see

46:09SPEAKERwhat this beach side town in England looks like, right?

46:14SPEAKERI feel like they did, I feel like the production design team

46:17SPEAKERdid a really good job of capturing the raw essence

46:21SPEAKERof what these things look like.

46:23SPEAKERLike the Zaphod Beeble Rock's head

46:25SPEAKERhas some pretty garbage CG on Sam Rockwell's second head.

46:29SPEAKER- Oh, so I was gonna ask who some of the casting,

46:32SPEAKERoh God, Martin Freeman is in it?

46:33SPEAKER- Martin Freeman is Arthur Dent.

46:35SPEAKER- Okay. - He's very good.

46:36SPEAKER- Okay.

46:39SPEAKER- If that movie was released in a vacuum

46:41SPEAKERwithout the other 12 different media

46:43SPEAKERthat this product had come out in,

46:45SPEAKERit would have been a delight

46:46SPEAKERand people would have been really excited about it.

46:48SPEAKERLike they've launched something into this huge fandom

46:53SPEAKERand it's fine, I'm glad it exists.

46:57SPEAKERHow's that? - Yeah, sure.

46:59SPEAKER- It didn't take anything away from Hitchhiker

47:01SPEAKERand in a franchise that is so relentlessly

47:07SPEAKERcross media, I don't think it hurt.

47:11SPEAKERYeah, it's fine, I haven't watched it.

47:13SPEAKERI only watched it once or twice.

47:15SPEAKERI should go back, I'm kind of curious

47:17SPEAKERhow they handed the whale and the petunia

47:19SPEAKERwhen I think about it 'cause that's such a profoundly weird

47:23SPEAKERand disturbing, like the whole internal monologue

47:28SPEAKERof the whale when I was 12 years old

47:30SPEAKERwas fucking hilarious, right?

47:33SPEAKERBut now it's like, oh, this is a really horrible existence

47:36SPEAKERfor this whale, this is not okay, man.

47:39SPEAKER- Yeah, but also how you would communicate

47:40SPEAKERall of that on film, I have no idea.

47:43SPEAKER- Yeah, right, like do you just have,

47:45SPEAKERis it just a third person shot of the whale

47:48SPEAKERfalling toward the ground?

47:49SPEAKERIt was like an internal monologue running?

47:52SPEAKERI don't know. - I guess that would work.

47:53SPEAKERTwo stars said Roger Ebert, for what it's worth.

47:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, he thought video games weren't art,

47:59SPEAKERso why would he know? - He said it's

48:01SPEAKERwhat may confuse novices.

48:04SPEAKER- Oh, it's too smart.

48:05SPEAKER- To be fair, I suppose I could see.

48:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is like,

48:10SPEAKERif you think about a lot of the language

48:11SPEAKERthat makes this book land, it's not in dialogue necessarily,

48:15SPEAKERit's in the descriptions of the world,

48:17SPEAKERwhich are harder to convey.

48:19SPEAKERI do remember really loving the guide,

48:22SPEAKERlike they do a whole different treatment for the guide

48:24SPEAKERand they're all animated and really cool

48:26SPEAKERfor the guide entries.

48:29SPEAKERThe TV show, the BBC TV show from the '80s is,

48:34SPEAKERdo you remember the aesthetic that we had

48:38SPEAKERwhen we worked in the whiskey basement

48:40SPEAKERand we would just grab some shit from around the thing

48:42SPEAKERand make some weird prop or whatever

48:44SPEAKERfor a happy hour show or something?

48:46SPEAKERYeah, it seemed like the whole thing

48:47SPEAKERwas done on that kind of budget.

48:49SPEAKER- That's fair.

48:50SPEAKER- Yeah, they had blank wall sound stages

48:55SPEAKERand it's real low budge, the audio's bad,

48:58SPEAKERthe costumes are often made of tinfoil,

49:01SPEAKERit looks like Doctor Who.

49:04SPEAKERIt looks like if they had to make eight episodes

49:07SPEAKERof something on the budget they used

49:09SPEAKERfor the first act of a Doctor Who episode.

49:12SPEAKER- I was gonna ask you, I have basically no experience

49:15SPEAKERwith Doctor Who or Red Dwarf or any of that genre

49:19SPEAKERof kind of cheeky British sci-fi,

49:20SPEAKERbut this book is definitely part of that tradition, right?

49:25SPEAKER- So I'm not a Doctor Who guy, I bounced off

49:27SPEAKER'cause it was on PBS, which one of they got

49:32SPEAKERwhen the weather was a real specific way when I was a kid.

49:34SPEAKERSo I don't really have any kind of connection

49:38SPEAKERto Doctor Who, I've never seen Red Dwarf.

49:41SPEAKERIt feels very Python-esque

49:42SPEAKERin the kind of British absurdism.

49:44SPEAKERI do know that science fiction was maybe generally,

49:48SPEAKERas a genre, was maybe generally more popular in the UK

49:52SPEAKERat that time period than it was here.

49:55SPEAKERAnd specifically, the more,

49:58SPEAKERnot that this is hard science fiction,

49:59SPEAKERbut harder science fiction, less space opera.

50:02SPEAKERSo stuff like character-driven stuff like Star Trek

50:06SPEAKERor things about exploration and stuff like that,

50:09SPEAKERnot zooming around and rescuing space princesses

50:12SPEAKERlike Star Wars.

50:12SPEAKER- Right, yeah, not a lot of big character-driven

50:15SPEAKERmelodrama type stuff.

50:17SPEAKERI guess there's a new TV show that Hulu is doing?

50:20SPEAKER- Really? - Yeah.

50:22SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.

50:22SPEAKERIt looks like they're finding some new stories

50:25SPEAKERfrom about a year ago that says they are working

50:27SPEAKERon a new one.

50:29SPEAKER- Interesting.

50:29SPEAKER- Carlton Cuse of Lost fame appears to be involved in it.

50:33SPEAKER- I didn't like Lost.

50:35SPEAKER- Well, got bad news for me.

50:37SPEAKER- It's gonna be garbage, it's gonna be bad.

50:39SPEAKER- I don't know, it doesn't look like

50:40SPEAKERthere's a lot more information about it yet,

50:42SPEAKERbut it looks like that is probably still in the works.

50:46SPEAKERSo maybe stay tuned for that, or maybe don't.

50:49SPEAKERI don't know, like I said, I might just, you know,

50:52SPEAKERread the book and be good with this.

50:55SPEAKER- If you're gonna, like, if you're gonna engage

50:57SPEAKERin two forms of media around hitchhikers,

51:02SPEAKERI would read the book, the first book and the second book,

51:04SPEAKERand then I would go back and listen to the first radio drama.

51:07SPEAKER- Okay.

51:08SPEAKER- I think it's on Audible, is where I found it last,

51:11SPEAKERand you can use your Audible credit

51:12SPEAKERand get the whole thing in one swoop.

51:14SPEAKERSo it's like, it's long.

51:16SPEAKER- I might have to work that Infocom game in there somewhere.

51:19SPEAKER- Dude, I would totally play the Infocom game sometime.

51:23SPEAKER- Is that a text parser based game?

51:24SPEAKER- It is a text, it is an Infocom text adventure

51:27SPEAKERin the vein of Zork.

51:28SPEAKER- Okay, then I almost definitely want to check that out.

51:31SPEAKER- So let's stream it sometime.

51:34SPEAKEROn the BBC site, you can play it in a window,

51:38SPEAKERand I think it's also on archive.org

51:40SPEAKERwhen I looked for it last.

51:42SPEAKERI played Starship Titanic years later,

51:44SPEAKERwhich is Douglas Adams' written, like,

51:48SPEAKER2D, it's like Post-Mist and Seventh Guest,

51:52SPEAKERbut still think, I think, 3D rendered environments

51:56SPEAKERin a lot of cases, with some video characters

51:58SPEAKERoverlaid on top of them.

52:00SPEAKERAnd it's very funny and very weird.

52:02SPEAKERIt's about a starship, obviously, that can't crash,

52:06SPEAKERthat bad things happen too.

52:07SPEAKER- Of course, expect no less.

52:10SPEAKEROh wow, this really is just a text adventure, isn't it?

52:13SPEAKER- Oh, it is a text as text adventure, yes.

52:15SPEAKER- Wow, okay, I assumed there were at least some

52:18SPEAKERrudimentary graphics involved,

52:19SPEAKERbut this is full-on Zork era, huh?

52:22SPEAKER- Well, so I think the BBC one adds some,

52:25SPEAKERthe BBC version adds some text, some graphics to it.

52:28SPEAKERLike, they draw some stuff.

52:29SPEAKER- The anniversary edition's got like a frame around it

52:32SPEAKERor something, but yeah, it's pretty rudimentary,

52:34SPEAKERit looks like, so.

52:36SPEAKER- What did you think about Slartibartfast?

52:39SPEAKER- Is that a reference to something?

52:40SPEAKERI was trying to unpack that.

52:42SPEAKER- Well, I think Slartibartfast has been,

52:45SPEAKERthere was always a guy on IRC named Slartibartfast.

52:47SPEAKER- Oh, of course, of course.

52:48SPEAKERI certainly laughed when that name wasn't introduced,

52:51SPEAKERbut I wasn't sure if there was some connection

52:56SPEAKERI was missing there.

52:57SPEAKER- I assume that's a made-up name.

52:58SPEAKERI know Douglas Adams liked to steal names

53:01SPEAKERfrom his family and friends.

53:04SPEAKER- Okay.

53:04SPEAKER- The Earthling who wrote the second worst poetry

53:09SPEAKERin the universe is a feminized version

53:12SPEAKERof one of his ex-roommates.

53:14SPEAKER- Okay. (laughs)

53:16SPEAKER- He also used a realtor's name in one of the later books

53:19SPEAKERto the point that like the realtor would get angry calls

53:22SPEAKERfrom people saying, "Hey, why'd you rip off Douglas Adams?

53:24SPEAKERThat's shitty."

53:25SPEAKER- Wow.

53:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:28SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

53:29SPEAKERI love, one last thing to hit on,

53:31SPEAKERI love the description of infinity

53:34SPEAKERwhen they go into the planet in Magrithia,

53:37SPEAKERthat it wasn't infinity.

53:39SPEAKERAnd, you know, they go into the hyperspace chamber

53:40SPEAKERwhere they make planets because it wasn't infinity.

53:43SPEAKERIn fact, infinity itself looks flat and uninteresting.

53:45SPEAKERLooking up in the night sky is looking into infinity.

53:47SPEAKERDistance is incomprehensible and therefore meaningless.

53:50SPEAKERThe chamber into which the air car emerged

53:52SPEAKERwas anything but infinite.

53:53SPEAKERIt was just very, very, very big.

53:56SPEAKERSo big that it gave the impression of infinity

54:00SPEAKERfar better than infinity itself.

54:01SPEAKER- I thought that was a really delightful paradox

54:03SPEAKERof like the only way to depict infinity

54:06SPEAKERis to make it finite.

54:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:09SPEAKERIt's really, it's really good.

54:10SPEAKER- It's a very clever book.

54:11SPEAKER- A very, very clever book.

54:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:14SPEAKERI remain a fan.

54:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:17SPEAKERI'm glad I know now.

54:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:19SPEAKERNow you understand.

54:20SPEAKERAre you gonna keep reading Brad?

54:21SPEAKEROr are you gonna stall out here?

54:21SPEAKER- Filled in a bunch of blanks for me.

54:23SPEAKERI might keep going.

54:25SPEAKER- Don't you want to know what happened?

54:26SPEAKER- I think yes.

54:27SPEAKERI was gonna say like, I'm especially,

54:29SPEAKERespecially considering it just kind of leaves

54:31SPEAKERa bunch of stuff hanging and just sort of ends.

54:34SPEAKERYeah.

54:35SPEAKERLike I literally just need to turn two extra pages

54:37SPEAKERand I'll be into the next one.

54:38SPEAKERSo yeah, I think I might keep going for a while.

54:41SPEAKER- Cool.

54:43SPEAKERWell, I guess we've reached the point in the show

54:44SPEAKERwhere we need to thank our patrons who made this possible.

54:48SPEAKERTo everybody who signed up to get us over

54:51SPEAKERthat thousand patron hump, we're now at 1,122 patrons

54:55SPEAKERas of this moment when we were recording

54:57SPEAKERon Saturday morning.

54:59SPEAKERSo thank you all for supporting the show.

55:01SPEAKERWe really appreciate it.

55:03SPEAKER- Yes, thank you.

55:04SPEAKER- And especially thanks to our executive producer

55:07SPEAKERlevel patrons, Jacob Chappell, Andrew Cotton,

55:10SPEAKERand David Allen.

55:11SPEAKERWe really appreciate all of you.

55:13SPEAKERAnd if you want to find out how you can back the podcast,

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55:29SPEAKER- Yeah, leave an iTunes review, any of that stuff.

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55:36SPEAKERBut definitely if you do back to Patreon,

55:40SPEAKERyou get access to the Discord,

55:41SPEAKERwhich is just a wonderful respite on an internet

55:46SPEAKERfilled with bad things on the day-to-day.

55:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:49SPEAKER- Or you can come and like dip into other people's

55:51SPEAKERweird hobbies and maybe find a new weird hobby of your own

55:54SPEAKERand talk about books and talk about stuff you're enjoying.

55:58SPEAKERAnd like the Hades conversations happening

56:01SPEAKERin the Hades appreciation slash gaming channel right now

56:03SPEAKERare very good.

56:04SPEAKER- That's very informative.

56:05SPEAKERNow I can finally enter the aptly named reading room

56:09SPEAKERthat you created now that I finished the book

56:10SPEAKERand I don't have to worry about seeing people talk about it

56:12SPEAKER'cause I've finished it now.

56:14SPEAKER- Yeah, spoilers is no, fear not for spoilers.

56:18SPEAKERBut yeah, you can go to, again, that's patreon.com/techbot

56:21SPEAKERand we'd appreciate anything you can do to help us out

56:24SPEAKERand let other people know about the show.

56:26SPEAKER- Yes.

56:26SPEAKER- 'Cause the listeners, it turns out,

56:28SPEAKERare how people find new podcasts.

56:30SPEAKERYou tell your friends, "Hey, there's this dope podcast."

56:32SPEAKER- Word of mouth.

56:33SPEAKER- Yeah, word of mouth, it works.

56:34SPEAKER- It's still effective.

56:36SPEAKERI'd be curious to hear what people think about this episode.

56:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:40SPEAKER- Like us covering a book in some fashion.

56:42SPEAKER- A 40 year old book.

56:43SPEAKER- Yeah, we had a couple other ideas in this vein

56:45SPEAKERif people like this, but if they hate it,

56:47SPEAKERthen please let us know so we don't waste your time on that.

56:51SPEAKER- And you can send emails if you have,

56:53SPEAKERspecifically I'd like to hear things

56:54SPEAKERthat you think Hitchhiker has influenced

56:57SPEAKERto techpod@content.town.

57:00SPEAKERThat's the email address for emails,

57:01SPEAKERwhich we'll do in like three more weeks.

57:03SPEAKER- Yep.

57:03SPEAKER- So yeah, thank you all for listening.

57:05SPEAKERI guess we'll see y'all next week.

57:07SPEAKERBrad, you got any closing thoughts on this one?

57:09SPEAKER- So long and thanks for all the fish.

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