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54: Lack Rack!

2020-09-27 · 1:08:34

00:00SPEAKER- I miss going to the movies, man.

00:01SPEAKER- Yeah? - Yeah.

00:03SPEAKER- Even when I could go to the movies,

00:04SPEAKERI didn't go to the movies.

00:05SPEAKERBut then again, I didn't go much of anywhere, so.

00:07SPEAKER- I went to the movies enough that I paid for one of those,

00:09SPEAKERlike pay 20 bucks a month and go as much as you want deals.

00:12SPEAKER- That was almost enough to get me back there, actually.

00:14SPEAKERDid you feel like you were getting

00:15SPEAKERyour money's worth out of that?

00:16SPEAKER- It was kind of cyclical.

00:19SPEAKERSo I paid for the AMC one,

00:20SPEAKERwhich was at the Metreon downtown.

00:22SPEAKERAnd you know how when you're at GDC,

00:24SPEAKERsometimes you're at a conference at Moscone

00:25SPEAKERand you have like three hours between meetings

00:28SPEAKERand you don't wanna go be social,

00:29SPEAKERyou just wanna go have a quiet, dark room.

00:31SPEAKER- Sure, yeah.

00:33SPEAKER- I'm pretty sure I watched "Captain Marvel"

00:34SPEAKERtwo or three times during GDC one year.

00:36SPEAKER- I really, I have great admiration for people

00:38SPEAKERwho are impulsive enough to just go see a movie on the spot.

00:41SPEAKERI don't think I'm capable of it.

00:43SPEAKER- Yeah, like if we had had that when we worked downtown,

00:45SPEAKERwhen I was still working downtown,

00:47SPEAKERand like it was just like get off Muni or Bart,

00:52SPEAKERor walk from the office to the movie theater,

00:54SPEAKERI would have gone all the time.

00:55SPEAKER- That's amazing.

00:56SPEAKERJust the idea of to be standing right next

00:58SPEAKERto the movie theater and then just on the spot to say,

01:00SPEAKER"I'm gonna go see a movie," is like mind blowing to me.

01:02SPEAKER- Like you don't do that?

01:03SPEAKEROh, it's the best.

01:04SPEAKER- Every movie I've ever seen in my life

01:05SPEAKERrequired like 48 hours of contemplation.

01:08SPEAKER- Sometimes we're very different people.

01:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

01:11SPEAKER- But so I just saw that Alamo is doing this thing

01:15SPEAKERwhere if you pay 150 bucks and guarantee 150 bucks

01:20SPEAKERin food and Bev, you can rent a whole theater.

01:23SPEAKER- Wow.

01:23SPEAKER- For you and your like your Rona pod.

01:26SPEAKER- Is there any minimum number of people?

01:27SPEAKERCould that be like for four people?

01:29SPEAKER- It could be for one person, it looks like.

01:30SPEAKERIf you're willing to buy like 150 bucks worth of food

01:32SPEAKERat the Alamo, not that much.

01:34SPEAKER- Probably not that hard to do.

01:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I could do that.

01:36SPEAKER- It's like three beers.

01:38SPEAKER- Yeah, look, it's more than that,

01:40SPEAKERbut you get one of those,

01:41SPEAKERlook, you have to avoid the popcorn

01:43SPEAKERand you get into the novelty food,

01:44SPEAKERyou know, the potstickers and the whatever themed food is.

01:49SPEAKER- Gotta go for a high caloric density,

01:51SPEAKERhigh calorie to money, right, to cost ratio.

01:54SPEAKER- High calorie to mass.

01:54SPEAKERYeah, you don't wanna get a lot of,

01:56SPEAKERI just wonder how,

01:58SPEAKERlike, can you get them to show whatever you want?

02:00SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't think about that.

02:01SPEAKERI thought you meant you had to be seeing a first run,

02:03SPEAKERlike whatever it was on, that's, huh.

02:05SPEAKERWhat, could you just bring your own?

02:07SPEAKER- I mean.

02:08SPEAKER- Here's a thumb drive, just pull up the MKV on there.

02:10SPEAKER- Yeah, look, here's my Plex login, I gotcha.

02:13SPEAKERI just, like, what would I like to see in,

02:16SPEAKERthere's a handful of movies that I never saw in theaters

02:18SPEAKERthat I would love to see in theaters,

02:20SPEAKERlike "Alien" is on that, I never saw "Alien" in theaters.

02:23SPEAKER- Sure.

02:26SPEAKER- I just, yeah, I'm into this idea a lot,

02:29SPEAKERbut I think three people, you know,

02:32SPEAKERa hundred bucks a person is a lot.

02:34SPEAKERI'd have to get another,

02:36SPEAKERwe'd have to like diagonally sit in opposite corners

02:38SPEAKERof the theater with like another three or four people

02:40SPEAKERto make the finances work for it.

02:41SPEAKER- Yeah, the social distancing kind of undermine

02:43SPEAKERthe group social aspect a little bit, maybe.

02:47SPEAKERI guess if it's your theater,

02:49SPEAKERyou can just holler and heckle all you want, right?

02:51SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, like do a double feature,

02:54SPEAKERwatch "Happy Gilmore" and "Billy Madison"

02:56SPEAKERand, you know, blaze up, have a good time.

03:00SPEAKERLive large.

03:00SPEAKER- Yeah, we really are different people.

03:03SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:24SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

03:33SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

03:36SPEAKERI'm Will.

03:37SPEAKER- I'm Brad, I brought the emails.

03:38SPEAKER- You brought the, you have the emails?

03:41SPEAKER- Sitting here looking at, let's see,

03:43SPEAKERall of them are labeled.

03:44SPEAKER- Okay.

03:45SPEAKER- Just about half of them are also starred.

03:47SPEAKERI don't know if that denotes anything special

03:48SPEAKERabout those emails.

03:49SPEAKER- That means that I marked them as special,

03:52SPEAKERnot knowing that you were labeling them.

03:53SPEAKER- Okay. - 'Cause we have a plan,

03:55SPEAKERbut we have not communicated the new order of emails.

03:59SPEAKER- Yes, a new order is rising in our shared Gmail account.

04:04SPEAKER- Look, if the Russians hack us,

04:05SPEAKERit's gonna be very orderly.

04:07SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's all I'm saying.

04:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so it is.

04:11SPEAKER- We've got a fresh crop.

04:12SPEAKERIt's the September, the September harvest is in.

04:14SPEAKER- That's right. - These emails

04:15SPEAKERare pumpkin spice flavored, I think.

04:17SPEAKER- I'd like to have a little bit of an agrarian flair

04:19SPEAKERto these email episodes.

04:20SPEAKERI love, I know I've said it before, I love email week,

04:22SPEAKERjust because we know what the topic's gonna be.

04:25SPEAKER- So, you know, this is the thing we talked about

04:27SPEAKERoff the lines a little bit. - Yes, I've got some ideas.

04:30SPEAKER- But I think the thing about this podcast

04:34SPEAKERthat has become clear over the last year

04:36SPEAKERand change of doing it,

04:37SPEAKER'cause we're at the one year mark now,

04:39SPEAKERis that the research episodes are often very time intensive.

04:46SPEAKERThe emails episodes are very not time intensive.

04:49SPEAKERIt would be nice to have one more regular format.

04:53SPEAKERLike even when we do interviews,

04:54SPEAKERthey're pretty time intensive.

04:55SPEAKERLike it would be nice to have one regular format

04:58SPEAKERthat is not like somebody doing eight hours of reading

05:01SPEAKERbefore we do a recording.

05:03SPEAKER- Like I had that idea about guests the other day.

05:04SPEAKERI was like, what if every other episode

05:07SPEAKERthat's not the email episode was a guest episode?

05:08SPEAKERBut you're right, like getting guests

05:10SPEAKERis like such a moving target

05:11SPEAKERthat that's really tough to rely on.

05:14SPEAKER- I mean, I think once we get a pipeline of guests,

05:17SPEAKERit could be, but it's pretty time consuming

05:20SPEAKERto like think about who the guests should be

05:22SPEAKERand then figure out when the schedules work.

05:24SPEAKER- Booking them is a big part of the workload.

05:26SPEAKERBut then the big one is just that life always,

05:29SPEAKERnot always, but life can always happen.

05:30SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

05:31SPEAKER- Yeah, it turns out, well, you have a real job.

05:34SPEAKERI have a job-ish.

05:35SPEAKER- If you're, more to the point though,

05:37SPEAKERlike your guests surely has a busy life already

05:41SPEAKERand sometimes life can get in the way.

05:42SPEAKERAnd then all of a sudden you're trying to figure out

05:44SPEAKERwhat to do if they can't make it.

05:45SPEAKER- Well, yeah, and like we have a couple of guests,

05:47SPEAKERwe have a pretty deep well of potential incoming guests

05:51SPEAKERthat we've engaged with

05:52SPEAKERand that are excited about coming on the show

05:54SPEAKERand either like they don't have a good place to record

05:57SPEAKERor they're moving or they're doing book tours

06:00SPEAKERor whatever it happens to be, it makes it challenging.

06:05SPEAKERSo you have to be, yeah.

06:07SPEAKER- Yeah, we're making progress though

06:08SPEAKER'cause we knew what this week's episode was gonna be

06:11SPEAKERand we know what next week's episode is gonna be, which is-

06:13SPEAKER- Wait, what's next episode gonna be?

06:15SPEAKER- I thought it was the Hitchhiker Sky episode.

06:18SPEAKER- Oh, we're doing that next week.

06:19SPEAKER- Oh yeah, okay. - Are we?

06:20SPEAKER- I mean, we can, yeah, sure, why not, let's do it.

06:23SPEAKER- Maybe I've been reading too furiously if we're not.

06:26SPEAKER- I just told you that

06:27SPEAKERso you'd hurry up and finish the damn book.

06:28SPEAKER- Okay, I'm getting there.

06:31SPEAKER- Are you enjoying?

06:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm not super deep in, yeah, I can't say.

06:35SPEAKEROkay, fine. - No, no, save it.

06:37SPEAKERI was just curious.

06:38SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm glad I read the introduction

06:40SPEAKERbefore I started the book so I get the Ford prefect joke

06:42SPEAKER'cause otherwise I wouldn't have had a clue

06:44SPEAKERwhat the prefect was.

06:45SPEAKER- There's a lot of '70s Britishisms in there.

06:47SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

06:48SPEAKER- But emails.

06:49SPEAKER- Yeah, emails.

06:50SPEAKERNone of them are about Hitchhiker's Guide.

06:52SPEAKER- That's perfect.

06:53SPEAKER- They're all about- - That could be next month.

06:54SPEAKER- Yeah, they're all about other stuff.

06:56SPEAKER- I wanna hear people's stories

06:57SPEAKERabout when they first read Hitchhiker's Guide next month.

07:00SPEAKER- Yes, I've seen a couple of those on the Discord already.

07:03SPEAKER- Me too.

07:04SPEAKER- All right, what's the email address?

07:06SPEAKERI always forget.

07:07SPEAKER- It is techpod@content.town.

07:09SPEAKERThe internet's number one content destination.

07:12SPEAKER- That's right.

07:12SPEAKER- Techpod@content.town.

07:14SPEAKERWe have all the answers to any question you might ask.

07:16SPEAKERI promise.

07:17SPEAKERAll right, first email is from Charlie.

07:21SPEAKERThis is very timely.

07:22SPEAKERIt's extremely timely.

07:24SPEAKERI know it says something about the communities

07:25SPEAKERwe hang out in, but I feel like this is half

07:27SPEAKERof all anybody's talking about right now.

07:30SPEAKERI don't wanna talk about what the other half is.

07:32SPEAKER- Yeah, the other half is really a bummer.

07:33SPEAKERSo we'll get into that on the other show,

07:35SPEAKERthe fall of Western civilization.

07:38SPEAKER- All right, here's Charlie's question.

07:39SPEAKERWhat happens on the back end when a high number of people

07:41SPEAKERtry to order a product at the same time?

07:44SPEAKERAs we've seen with the new console pre-orders

07:47SPEAKERand the GeForce 3080 situation,

07:50SPEAKERmajor retailers and providers of cloud services

07:53SPEAKERare still unable to keep things running smoothly

07:55SPEAKERduring these high demand scenarios.

07:57SPEAKERWhy hasn't this problem been solved yet?

07:59SPEAKER- It has been solved.

08:00SPEAKERThe sneaker people figured it out years ago.

08:01SPEAKER- How did they?

08:03SPEAKER- Yeah, the sneaker situation, like you get a token,

08:05SPEAKERyou show up at a specific time, you get a token,

08:06SPEAKERyou use the token, you exchange the token for services.

08:09SPEAKER- Do you mean physically show up with your token?

08:11SPEAKER- With a physical token?

08:12SPEAKER- Both, look, I'm not a sneaker person.

08:14SPEAKERI'm sure John Drake has a lot of information about this.

08:16SPEAKERIf we asked him.

08:17SPEAKER- Yes, obviously going to a place

08:19SPEAKERnot exactly an option right now.

08:21SPEAKER- All I know is that the one time that I tried to engage

08:24SPEAKERwith the sneaker culture business is like,

08:27SPEAKERI logged in five minutes before I made sure

08:29SPEAKERall my credit card stuff was into the site.

08:31SPEAKERI was logged in, ready to go on the right page,

08:34SPEAKERhit the button to refresh it, hit the button to add to cart.

08:36SPEAKERAnd by the time I clicked add to cart,

08:38SPEAKERit had shifted over to sold out.

08:39SPEAKERSo it was maybe a five, like I was in limbo

08:43SPEAKERfor maybe eight seconds where I was like,

08:44SPEAKERoh shit, I'm gonna get these shoes finally, that's awesome.

08:46SPEAKERAnd then they were gone.

08:47SPEAKER- I mean, it may have been a failure,

08:48SPEAKERbut at least it was a seamless or painless failure.

08:50SPEAKER- There was no ambiguity in that I had failed

08:53SPEAKERto achieve these shoes on the first pass.

08:56SPEAKER- Get your failure up in your face nice and early

08:58SPEAKERand just move on with your life.

09:00SPEAKER- Yeah, I could move on to not having the shoes.

09:03SPEAKERI transitioned directly from wanting to buy shoes

09:05SPEAKERto never owning the shoes, it was great.

09:08SPEAKER- I mean, obviously like the PS5 pre-order situation

09:11SPEAKERwas largely a failure of messaging,

09:12SPEAKERbut the Xbox and G4 stuff was messaged quite clearly

09:16SPEAKERand those were also on fire.

09:18SPEAKERSo it is definitely partially a backend problem,

09:20SPEAKERbut like, is it a case of these specific retailers

09:24SPEAKERnot dealing with these high demand situations often enough

09:25SPEAKERto like backstop their systems to withstand it?

09:29SPEAKERLike they just don't have the practice?

09:31SPEAKER- It's definitely, I mean, that is definitely a component.

09:34SPEAKERIt's the same thing when we talked about,

09:36SPEAKERI can't remember what game it was,

09:37SPEAKERbut was it Call of Duty or something that launched

09:39SPEAKERand the servers just shit the bed for five days.

09:41SPEAKER- We have talked about this exact thing

09:43SPEAKERfor game launches before.

09:45SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's the same thing.

09:46SPEAKERThere are multiple systems that have to talk to each other.

09:49SPEAKERIn this case, you have the retail front end,

09:52SPEAKERyou have the inventory backend,

09:53SPEAKERyou have the payment processing backend

09:55SPEAKERand under normal situations,

09:58SPEAKERthe bottlenecks are not apparent.

10:00SPEAKERAnd then what happens is when you get 50 million people

10:03SPEAKERtrying to buy an Xbox at the same time,

10:06SPEAKERone of those systems bottlenecks,

10:07SPEAKERusually the credit card processing is my understanding

10:10SPEAKERand the whole thing falls to shit

10:12SPEAKERand like everybody gets stuck in horrible limbo.

10:15SPEAKERThe one company who's pretty good at this,

10:17SPEAKERit turns out is Apple.

10:18SPEAKERThey've been doing the online pre-orders now

10:20SPEAKERsince like the iPhone 5.

10:22SPEAKERAnd like if you are online at the right time

10:26SPEAKERand you hit the right button and you know what you want

10:27SPEAKERand you don't dilly dally,

10:28SPEAKERyou usually can buy the thing that you're looking for.

10:30SPEAKER- So any idea of who Apple's cloud compute provider is?

10:34SPEAKER- Apple.

10:35SPEAKER- Wait, do they run their own stuff?

10:36SPEAKER- They have data centers.

10:37SPEAKER- Well, yeah, for their customer facing stuff,

10:41SPEAKERbut I mean for-

10:43SPEAKER- For their iCloud stuff?

10:45SPEAKER- Are they really big enough in that game

10:47SPEAKERto provide everything they need for themselves?

10:49SPEAKERLike you don't think they're doing any-

10:51SPEAKER- They're one of the gamble or you know,

10:53SPEAKERGoogle, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook.

10:56SPEAKER- You're right, you're right.

10:58SPEAKERI just assumed like, I mean,

11:00SPEAKERall I've ever heard is that AWS and Azure

11:02SPEAKERare so much of that market

11:04SPEAKERthat I assumed there was no way

11:05SPEAKERthat Apple could be providing all of their needs.

11:07SPEAKER- So Apple is still small compared to AWS and Azure

11:11SPEAKERand all that stuff.

11:12SPEAKERBut yeah, no, and Google.

11:13SPEAKERBut yeah, Apple has giant data centers.

11:16SPEAKER- They're doing it all?

11:17SPEAKEROkay.

11:19SPEAKER- There's probably teams upon teams of people.

11:21SPEAKER'Cause they own a credit card processing system now.

11:24SPEAKERLike they, with Apple Pay, they're soup to nuts.

11:26SPEAKERThey're vertically integrated, they're Japanese in 1980.

11:29SPEAKER- You're right, I should have known

11:30SPEAKERthat is Apple's whole thing.

11:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:32SPEAKER- But you know, the backend, the iCloud,

11:34SPEAKERthe once you already have the product,

11:35SPEAKERthose services that you engage with,

11:36SPEAKERI knew that they were handling all that stuff themselves.

11:39SPEAKER- I mean, it's entirely possible

11:40SPEAKERthere's another payment processor in there,

11:41SPEAKERbut at the scale that they work,

11:42SPEAKERit would behoove them to just not pay other people

11:45SPEAKERto do that work and figure it out themselves.

11:46SPEAKER- Of course.

11:47SPEAKERAnother question I had looking at this was,

11:51SPEAKERin this future of cloud computing

11:52SPEAKERand like spinning up virtualized servers on demand

11:56SPEAKERand scaling things almost endlessly,

11:58SPEAKERlike do you think we could, could we get to a point

12:01SPEAKERand especially like maybe even machine learning

12:02SPEAKERis involved in this in some way, I don't know,

12:04SPEAKERcould we get to a point where all the systems

12:06SPEAKERyou described, payment processing, authentication,

12:08SPEAKERlike X, Y, you know, all the bottlenecks,

12:11SPEAKERcould those all just be deployed by robots dynamically

12:14SPEAKERas the need arises and just like not run

12:17SPEAKERinto these situations anymore?

12:20SPEAKER- So this is the interesting part about this whole thing.

12:22SPEAKERThis is the thing Hansa explained to me in like 2012, 2011.

12:26SPEAKER- God, I miss getting drunk with Hansa.

12:29SPEAKERHe was one of the smartest people

12:31SPEAKERI have ever hung out with.

12:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, don't play German board games with him.

12:35SPEAKERHe just holds the whole state of the game in his head.

12:37SPEAKERBut we would, he was explaining

12:41SPEAKERwhy that similar situation failed.

12:43SPEAKERAnd he's like, look, there's some stuff that you can't,

12:46SPEAKERlike you can spin up infinite web servers

12:49SPEAKERto deliver web pages, right?

12:50SPEAKERAnd that is, there's a tool that does that for you.

12:54SPEAKERAnd the workload for that is really easy.

12:56SPEAKERBut what you can't do is spin up multiple load balancers

12:59SPEAKER'cause you need to have one giant beefy load balancer.

13:01SPEAKERYou can't have multiple copies of a database server

13:04SPEAKERbecause then the databases get out of sync

13:06SPEAKERand bad things happen.

13:07SPEAKERSo like if the bottleneck is the front end

13:11SPEAKERgoing to the inventory to see if the thing is in stock

13:13SPEAKERbefore they transferred to the payment processor,

13:16SPEAKERyou can't have, like there's bad things happen

13:18SPEAKERif the inventory system gets out of stock

13:21SPEAKERwith the, out of sync with the,

13:24SPEAKERif multiple nodes of the inventory system get out of sync.

13:26SPEAKERSo the reason this stuff still happens

13:28SPEAKERis that it's hard to fake those workloads.

13:30SPEAKERLike you can fake a normal workload pretty easily

13:32SPEAKERwith a few hundred machines and spinning up VMs

13:35SPEAKERto do unit testing and stuff like that.

13:37SPEAKERBut it's pretty expensive to spin up 30,000 instances

13:41SPEAKERand hit, you know, 30,000 fake,

13:45SPEAKERyou know, about massive scale, all ending at one time.

13:47SPEAKER- That makes sense.

13:49SPEAKER- Yeah. - Mystery solved.

13:50SPEAKER- It's probably cheaper to just deal with the aftermath

13:52SPEAKERthan to harden your system against that.

13:54SPEAKEROr alternately, each time you have that kind of sales system

13:57SPEAKERyou'd log it and you see what happens

13:58SPEAKERand you see how to do it better next time.

14:02SPEAKERBut sometimes it's something stupid,

14:03SPEAKERlike maybe the load balancer has logging turned on

14:07SPEAKERand then you get gated by how fast

14:10SPEAKERyou can write to the disks, write that log to the disks, so.

14:15SPEAKER- It sucks to say this,

14:16SPEAKERand I am by no means defending this mess,

14:18SPEAKERbut it's not like all the people who feel like

14:20SPEAKERthey got screwed trying to get a 3080

14:22SPEAKERsuddenly want a 3080 less because of the experience.

14:25SPEAKERSo I can see why the NVIDIA's and Sony's of the world

14:30SPEAKERwould just kind of sail right through and keep going.

14:32SPEAKER- It's not as bad as when,

14:34SPEAKERand at the end of the day,

14:37SPEAKERthis is about consumer electronics, not like vital things.

14:41SPEAKERIt's not like, you know,

14:42SPEAKERwhen you had 10 days to sign up for insurance

14:44SPEAKERunder the Affordable Care Act

14:46SPEAKERand that site just didn't work for any of those 10 days.

14:48SPEAKER- Yes. - That it turned out was bad.

14:51SPEAKER- Yes, that's for sure.

14:52SPEAKER- Also actually like what I just said was not totally fair

14:55SPEAKERto NVIDIA and Sony because both of them actually came out

14:58SPEAKERpretty publicly and apologized for the situation

15:00SPEAKERin the last week or two.

15:04SPEAKER- I mean, I feel like this is the second generation

15:05SPEAKERof console stuff is specifically that like

15:08SPEAKERthe hardware vendors released the hardware

15:10SPEAKERand it was unclear whether they,

15:11SPEAKERlike you couldn't tell if they thought

15:12SPEAKERthere was gonna be a market for it, right?

15:14SPEAKER- Yes. - Like I remember

15:16SPEAKERon the PS4, Xbox One generation, people were like,

15:18SPEAKER"I don't know if people are gonna buy these phones,

15:20SPEAKER"they're really popular it turns out."

15:21SPEAKERAnd yeah, and then here we are

15:23SPEAKERat 100 million consoles later, 200 million consoles later.

15:26SPEAKER- Actually, I mean, I don't wanna spend the whole episode

15:28SPEAKERon this topic or this question,

15:29SPEAKERbut did you read the fact that NVIDIA put up,

15:32SPEAKERthey actually, like Sony just tweeted,

15:34SPEAKERwhich for a company like Sony that I understand

15:37SPEAKERis like kind of momentous in its own right

15:39SPEAKERthat they even said anything,

15:40SPEAKERbut they just posted a tweet saying like,

15:42SPEAKER"Hey, sorry, this definitely could have gone better,

15:44SPEAKER"we will have more stock soon."

15:45SPEAKERBut NVIDIA straight up put up a whole webpage on their site,

15:49SPEAKERG-Force RTX 3080 launch, what happened?

15:51SPEAKERYou asked, we answered.

15:53SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool. - It's a full on fact

15:55SPEAKERof launch has made it near impossible to find one

15:58SPEAKERand this is really disappointing, what happened?

16:00SPEAKERWhat's the overall stock situation?

16:03SPEAKERWhy do you start with such low inventory?

16:05SPEAKERWhy not wait until more cards are produced?

16:08SPEAKERWhat changes are you making on your store?

16:10SPEAKERLike they, I'm searching here for bots.

16:15SPEAKERYes, there are multiple references to bots in this fact.

16:18SPEAKER- So the other thing that has happened

16:20SPEAKERand that's a good point, I forgot about that,

16:22SPEAKERis the sneaker bots have been weaponized

16:24SPEAKERagainst this kind of electronic good too,

16:26SPEAKER'cause it's a scalping situation.

16:28SPEAKERLike you can buy a 3080 and then turn it on eBay

16:30SPEAKERfor 200, 300, 400, 500 bucks more

16:33SPEAKERand make a pretty good amount of money doing that.

16:41SPEAKEROh God, I completely lost my thought there.

16:44SPEAKER- Okay, I can fill time.

16:47SPEAKER- By saying that, you look stone faced all of a sudden.

16:52SPEAKER- Oh shit, it's totally gone.

16:54SPEAKER- I get it, I've been there.

16:56SPEAKER- It was important too.

16:57SPEAKER- Mental short circuit occurs, something broke in there.

17:01SPEAKERI know how it goes.

17:02SPEAKER- It was Bitcoin.

17:04SPEAKERPeople, we don't have this question in the queue,

17:06SPEAKERI don't think, but somebody had asked

17:07SPEAKERif this is because Bitcoin miners

17:08SPEAKERor cryptocurrency miners are scooping up

17:11SPEAKERall the high end GPUs and the shift,

17:14SPEAKERA, people don't mind Bitcoin with GPUs really anymore.

17:17SPEAKERThey use specialized ASICs, but B, the Bitcoin,

17:21SPEAKERthe miners are going for like compute units per watt

17:26SPEAKERand the high end video cards that are optimized

17:28SPEAKERfor cycles per clock are not particularly good for that.

17:33SPEAKERYou're much better off buying a less expensive card

17:35SPEAKERthat uses less power, but has an equally wide

17:38SPEAKERcompute pipeline.

17:39SPEAKERSo they'll be looking at 3070s and maybe even 3060s.

17:43SPEAKER- Interesting.

17:43SPEAKER- Especially early on, because the mining tools

17:47SPEAKERaren't optimized for the new GDDR memory

17:50SPEAKERand stuff like that, you may even see like,

17:52SPEAKERyou may be better off running on a 1060 or a 2060

17:55SPEAKERthan a 3090 even is the thing I read, so.

17:59SPEAKER- That's good news, good news for people

18:01SPEAKERwanting to get a hold of one of these.

18:03SPEAKERI'll mention real fast in this fact,

18:05SPEAKERNVIDIA says they canceled a bunch of orders

18:07SPEAKERplaced by bots after the fact.

18:09SPEAKER- Oh good, that's probably where the extra

18:11SPEAKERexcess new inventories come from.

18:12SPEAKER- Those did not ship according to them,

18:14SPEAKERso that's something.

18:15SPEAKER- I mean, honestly, given what happened in China

18:18SPEAKERand the state of the pandemic and stuff like that,

18:20SPEAKERit's amazing to me that any of this stuff has launched.

18:23SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I'm with you.

18:24SPEAKERAlso, like, I don't know how much it matters,

18:26SPEAKERbut that card is on a new process for them,

18:28SPEAKERthe Samsung eight nanometer, they have not been on before.

18:30SPEAKER- And a new foundry too.

18:31SPEAKER- Yeah, so that may have constrained supply somewhat as well.

18:35SPEAKER- It's funny, I could be wrong on this,

18:36SPEAKERbut I can't remember a time that NVIDIA

18:39SPEAKERwasn't building chips on TSMC's foundries,

18:42SPEAKERso it's interesting that they moved to Samsung for this.

18:45SPEAKER- I really want one of those cards.

18:46SPEAKERLike I've been on a, I'm on a GTX 1080 regular, not TI,

18:51SPEAKERsince I don't even know how long, four years ago?

18:54SPEAKERAnd I have felt zero compunction to upgrade until right now,

18:57SPEAKERand all of a sudden--

18:58SPEAKER- Well, the bad news for you and the good news

19:00SPEAKERfor everybody else who wants to spend money to get a card

19:02SPEAKERis that there are, as I understand it,

19:06SPEAKERthe reviewers got cards and influencers

19:08SPEAKERand everybody else is behind the people

19:10SPEAKERthat are paying cash money for hardware, so.

19:12SPEAKER- That is my understanding, that's fine.

19:15SPEAKERAlso, I've got these 1440p monitors right now,

19:17SPEAKERthat's a lot more pixels to drive.

19:19SPEAKERSuddenly the 1080 is feeling a little more long in the tooth.

19:22SPEAKERAll right, we should move on to the next email.

19:25SPEAKERPierce from Marquette, Michigan.

19:29SPEAKERYou mentioned in a previous podcast

19:30SPEAKERthat everyone should have a headlamp.

19:32SPEAKERI would add everyone should have one

19:34SPEAKERthat also has a red light mode as well.

19:36SPEAKER- This is, yes.

19:37SPEAKER- Yeah, and I've actually got some experience

19:39SPEAKERwith this recently also that I wanted to ask about.

19:41SPEAKERIt's very handy for not blowing out your pupils

19:43SPEAKERlate at night when you need to use it to find something

19:45SPEAKERor in very specific use cases.

19:48SPEAKERFor example, using it in the car while driving.

19:51SPEAKERA few years back, my wife was studying for a college course

19:54SPEAKERand needed to read her textbook

19:55SPEAKERwhile we were traveling in the car.

19:57SPEAKERShe was able to do this by turning on the red LED light

19:59SPEAKERon her headlamp.

20:01SPEAKERI was not affected and could still see everything around me

20:03SPEAKERjust fine while driving and she could read her book,

20:05SPEAKERthough making out her highlighting was a tad bit difficult.

20:09SPEAKERSo-

20:10SPEAKER- Don't use the red highlighter there, yes.

20:11SPEAKER- So like I had only recently became aware of this

20:14SPEAKERin the last year or two that-

20:16SPEAKER- You didn't know, you're not into astronomy?

20:17SPEAKERDid you do the college or anything?

20:19SPEAKER- No, no, sadly no.

20:20SPEAKERBut yeah, I didn't really realize that red light, I guess,

20:22SPEAKERis the only wavelength

20:23SPEAKERthat will totally destroy your night vision.

20:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know why that is.

20:26SPEAKERI suppose, my bet is it's a rods and cones thing, right?

20:28SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, well, bummer.

20:29SPEAKERThat's what I came in here to ask was why that is.

20:32SPEAKERIs that true of everything, like not even orange light?

20:35SPEAKER'Cause like orange is typically like, you know,

20:37SPEAKERonce the Apple night shift and the, well, God,

20:41SPEAKERwhat was the original version of that?

20:42SPEAKERThe third party-

20:43SPEAKER- Flux.

20:44SPEAKER- Flux, right, I feel terrible about that

20:46SPEAKER'cause like Flux started that old trend and then-

20:48SPEAKER- Well, Flux got Sherlocked.

20:50SPEAKER- Everybody implemented their own at the OS level

20:52SPEAKERand now Flux has been forgotten, that sucks.

20:55SPEAKER- Well, Flux is still really good.

20:56SPEAKERFlux, if you have like hue bulbs,

20:58SPEAKERwill sync up your bulbs in your house to the Flux.

21:02SPEAKERYou could Flux your house, you know.

21:03SPEAKER- Flux lives on.

21:06SPEAKER- So that's a different thing.

21:07SPEAKERThat's a different effect.

21:08SPEAKER- No, I know it is, I know why that happens,

21:11SPEAKERbut I was wondering if there was any overlap there

21:13SPEAKERwhere like orange light was also better at night

21:15SPEAKERor is that still too close to daylight to be useful?

21:21SPEAKER- I don't know.

21:22SPEAKER- The reason I ask all this is I have

21:24SPEAKERan LED color changing nightlight in the bedroom.

21:29SPEAKERYou know, it's one of those, like at least in the Apple home

21:31SPEAKERyou can just slide the, it's got a color wheel,

21:33SPEAKERit's full on 16.7 million colors or whatever it is.

21:37SPEAKERYeah, I'm sure it doesn't actually reproduce all those,

21:38SPEAKERbut you know what I'm talking about.

21:40SPEAKER- Yes.

21:41SPEAKER- I had it on orange for the longest time.

21:42SPEAKERWell, actually I had it on green for a long time.

21:44SPEAKERI don't know why.

21:45SPEAKERAnd then I was like, oh, that's probably too close to blue

21:48SPEAKERto be looking at in the middle of the night

21:49SPEAKERwhen I wake up to go to the bathroom.

21:51SPEAKERAnd then I moved it to orange and then I thought like

21:53SPEAKERmaybe even orange is too close to daylight.

21:54SPEAKERThis was once I, you know, found out about the red stuff

21:57SPEAKERbeing the best for night.

21:59SPEAKERSo I changed it to red,

22:00SPEAKERwhich is great for not ruining my night vision,

22:04SPEAKERbut it kinda is not bright enough

22:06SPEAKEReven at full brightness to really see.

22:08SPEAKER- Well, so I used the red flashlight

22:12SPEAKERwhen we went out to look at the Perseids a few weeks ago.

22:14SPEAKERAnd it only is useful when your eyes are fully adjusted.

22:19SPEAKER- Okay.

22:20SPEAKER- Like it's part of the reason this worked for him

22:22SPEAKERin the car is that when he was looking,

22:25SPEAKERwhen other headlights were shining at him

22:26SPEAKERand stuff like that, his eyes were adjusting

22:27SPEAKERfor the headlights and then snapping right back.

22:30SPEAKERHe probably could barely see the red light

22:32SPEAKERwhen he was looking at the road and the lights

22:33SPEAKERand the street lights and stuff like that

22:34SPEAKERwould be my guess.

22:35SPEAKERBut as long as she was looking down, it was fine.

22:38SPEAKER- I'm sure like even your own headlights

22:40SPEAKERare constricting your pupils at least somewhat, right?

22:44SPEAKER- I would think so.

22:45SPEAKERI mean, compared to like your full, full dilated,

22:50SPEAKERyou know, I've been out in a cave

22:52SPEAKERfor the last three days, look, it's probably that.

22:56SPEAKERIt's funny, I took an astronomy class in high school

22:58SPEAKERat the local college and that was when I was introduced

23:02SPEAKERto the red light magic because the astronomers all had,

23:06SPEAKERlike at that point they had just normal incandescent

23:08SPEAKERflashlights and they put a piece of red cellophane

23:10SPEAKERover the cone and would use those like little mag lights

23:14SPEAKERthat had rubber banded cellophane on them.

23:16SPEAKERAnd it was really useful.

23:18SPEAKER- You think when you wake up in the middle of the night

23:20SPEAKERrandomly, are your eyes fully dilated

23:22SPEAKERbefore you open your eyes?

23:23SPEAKERI mean, your pupils fully dilated?

23:24SPEAKER- I would think so.

23:25SPEAKERI can always see really well.

23:26SPEAKERLike, I wonder if you have to be in any degree of conscious

23:29SPEAKERfor that to fully happen.

23:31SPEAKER- I would think that's an autonomous thing.

23:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I would too.

23:33SPEAKER- Only we had medical professionals handy to ask

23:35SPEAKERthis sort of thing.

23:36SPEAKER- Yeah, like I'd not get too much

23:37SPEAKERinto a cognitive rabbit hole here,

23:39SPEAKERbut I wonder what even controls that action.

23:43SPEAKER- Oh, that's definitely autonomic.

23:45SPEAKERYou don't have any control over that, yeah.

23:46SPEAKER- Oh no, I know you don't.

23:47SPEAKERI'm saying like, what are the mechanics

23:49SPEAKERof making that happen?

23:51SPEAKERLike, is that a, is that some part of the lizard brain or?

23:55SPEAKER- Brad, we got, I got just the guest for this.

23:57SPEAKERWe got to get him on.

23:58SPEAKERI got to figure out, we got to work the schedule.

23:59SPEAKER'Cause yeah, I got your guy for this one.

24:02SPEAKER- I got to write these questions down.

24:03SPEAKERIs there a term for something that happens

24:05SPEAKERwithout the involvement of the brain whatsoever?

24:06SPEAKERLike if the mechanics are entirely somehow like controlled

24:10SPEAKERby the organ itself?

24:13SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

24:14SPEAKERI don't know if this is an example of that.

24:15SPEAKER- Well, like the heart is self-regulating.

24:17SPEAKERThere's nodes in the heart that stimulate

24:18SPEAKERthe muscle fibers in the heart.

24:20SPEAKERBut I don't know, I can't remember

24:23SPEAKERif there's some autonomic,

24:25SPEAKERI feel like there's two systems there.

24:27SPEAKEROne that makes the beats go based on the flow of blood

24:29SPEAKERthrough the heart.

24:30SPEAKERAnd then the limbic system, I guess,

24:34SPEAKERautonomic nervous system that keeps the heart going, period.

24:38SPEAKERBut it's been a long time since I've studied

24:40SPEAKERany of this stuff.

24:40SPEAKERAnd probably what I know is 20 years out of date.

24:42SPEAKER- Yes, yes, we are definitely out of our depth here.

24:44SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a scary conversation.

24:46SPEAKERI expected, usually we get yelled at by the business people,

24:48SPEAKERbut this time it's going to be the science people.

24:49SPEAKER- Yes.

24:51SPEAKERAnyway, I don't know why that red nightlight

24:53SPEAKERis not really enough to see very well at night.

24:55SPEAKERSo I'm gonna have to go back to the orange.

24:56SPEAKER- Well, it's 'cause your eyes aren't adjusted.

24:58SPEAKER- Well, that's why I was asking,

24:59SPEAKERdo you think they're fully dilated when you wake up?

25:02SPEAKER- I mean, maybe you're just,

25:03SPEAKERI mean, one of the other things that happens

25:04SPEAKERas we get older is our night vision gets worse.

25:06SPEAKER- Oh, don't say that, don't say that.

25:08SPEAKER- I'm sorry, I got bad news.

25:10SPEAKER- All right.

25:11SPEAKER- Look, let me tell you,

25:12SPEAKERgoing out stargazing with a seven-year-old,

25:16SPEAKERit is heartbreaking. - An eye-opening experience.

25:19SPEAKER- Yeah, she sees, she's like,

25:20SPEAKER"Hey, there's a raccoon over there."

25:21SPEAKERI was like, "There's no raccoon over there."

25:22SPEAKERAnd then I hear the skittering.

25:23SPEAKERShe's like, "No, there's a raccoon over there."

25:26SPEAKERI need to eat more carrots.

25:27SPEAKER- Yes.

25:28SPEAKERI've already been told that I am an early candidate

25:30SPEAKERfor bifocals, so I don't need to hear any more

25:32SPEAKERabout my vision deteriorating.

25:35SPEAKER- Just, you know, you can also get longer arms

25:37SPEAKERif you need to.

25:38SPEAKERThat's the other way to do it.

25:39SPEAKERJust hold that reading stuff further out.

25:42SPEAKER- Start hanging out on the monkey bars more.

25:44SPEAKER- Yeah. - Okay, let's see.

25:47SPEAKERQuick question from Jonathan.

25:49SPEAKERIf you want a small, cheap network rack,

25:52SPEAKERIkea LAC tables are exactly the right size

25:55SPEAKERto put rack mount switches into.

25:57SPEAKERI wouldn't put anything heavy in,

25:59SPEAKERbut if it's just for a cupboard and a 24-port switch,

26:02SPEAKERthey totally work.

26:04SPEAKERI had actually, I don't know if this came up

26:05SPEAKERon the Discord or somewhere,

26:06SPEAKERbut I had seen this going around somewhere else recently.

26:10SPEAKERAlso, we used to have a couple of LACs around here

26:12SPEAKERthat we just kind of gave away on the sidewalk,

26:14SPEAKERwhich makes me really sad now.

26:15SPEAKER- It's a LAC rack.

26:16SPEAKER- I know, a LAC rack would be pretty awesome.

26:19SPEAKER- I feel like you'd have to hook the back legs together.

26:23SPEAKER- Yeah. - You'd have to drill for sure.

26:26SPEAKERYou can also get a quarter or a half rack

26:30SPEAKERfor like 80 bucks on Amazon, it seems like.

26:32SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

26:35SPEAKER- I don't think most normal human beings

26:37SPEAKERwant a full eight-footer, right?

26:39SPEAKERLike you want-- - I do.

26:41SPEAKER- What is that, a 48U? - I do.

26:43SPEAKER- You want like a 12U.

26:44SPEAKER- I want a rack that I can stand in.

26:48SPEAKER- Well, I mean--

26:49SPEAKER- That's a good reason for it.

26:49SPEAKERI just-- - It's just really heavy.

26:51SPEAKERYour floor isn't rated for it, probably.

26:53SPEAKERIf you filled that thing with computers, you'd--

26:54SPEAKER- Oh, not here.

26:55SPEAKERNo, I'd never do it in an apartment.

26:56SPEAKERThat's insanity. - Yeah, you'd sag the building.

26:57SPEAKER- That is, yeah.

27:00SPEAKERStand-up racks are for a cement floor basement

27:02SPEAKERand nothing else.

27:03SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly. - That's my stance.

27:06SPEAKERAnyway, that's a pretty hot tip.

27:08SPEAKER- I like that.

27:09SPEAKERI mean, you could have a little side table

27:10SPEAKERover here with a rack.

27:12SPEAKERI'm increasingly on the let's rack mount everything

27:14SPEAKERin the office train. - Yeah, yeah.

27:16SPEAKER- My switch is rack mountable, put the streaming computer

27:19SPEAKERrack mount. - Just get it

27:20SPEAKERall out of sight.

27:21SPEAKER- I told you about my water heat sink idea, right?

27:26SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

27:27SPEAKER- Just put a bucket of cold water in here

27:29SPEAKERat the start of the night and dump all the heat

27:31SPEAKERfrom the computer in there.

27:32SPEAKER- There you go.

27:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:35SPEAKER- All right.

27:36SPEAKERI have been looking at 10 gigabit network equipment again,

27:40SPEAKERso I might need a rack-size switch at some point.

27:44SPEAKERThat's down, that's way down the line.

27:46SPEAKER- What kind of files are you transferring over there, man?

27:48SPEAKER- Well, actually right now, I mean,

27:50SPEAKERsince we're doing everything at home,

27:51SPEAKERlike I am recording 30 to 40 gigabyte videos

27:54SPEAKERon a near daily basis.

27:56SPEAKER- Oh, shit.

27:57SPEAKER- Since I'm archiving- - So 10 gigabit makes sense.

28:00SPEAKER- Yeah, like I'm archiving everything

28:01SPEAKERat 30 megabit right now.

28:03SPEAKERSo yeah, like the Mario 2 stream we did yesterday

28:07SPEAKERwas over 30 gig when we finished like files of that size,

28:09SPEAKERtake a little bit of time to move around.

28:11SPEAKER- Hold on, just to be clear,

28:13SPEAKERyou're playing a 240 vertical line resolution game-

28:18SPEAKER- Look, man, don't, don't nitpick.

28:19SPEAKER- And you're recording it.

28:20SPEAKER- Don't nitpick my workflow, please.

28:23SPEAKERDon't forget, don't forget these files

28:25SPEAKERare going straight through another round of compression

28:27SPEAKERafter we record them.

28:28SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.

28:29SPEAKER- So they need to be high quality the first time

28:32SPEAKERbecause they're immediately gonna get crunched down

28:34SPEAKERto like eight megabit again.

28:35SPEAKERAnd if they, like, that's the thing,

28:36SPEAKERwe were pulling like Twitch archives,

28:37SPEAKERwhich are already eight megabit

28:39SPEAKERand throwing them through that encoder again,

28:41SPEAKERthat doesn't look very good.

28:43SPEAKER- No, no, Twitch archives are,

28:44SPEAKERlike Twitch and YouTube archives

28:46SPEAKERare not an acceptable archiving medium.

28:49SPEAKER- Right, that's what I'm saying.

28:49SPEAKER- That is for sure.

28:50SPEAKER- So like we need a high quality version

28:52SPEAKERto throw into our video robot.

28:55SPEAKER- Man.

28:56SPEAKER- To crunch it down again.

28:58SPEAKERAnyway, I probably wouldn't get a Switch.

29:00SPEAKERI would just get two 10 gig cards,

29:02SPEAKERone in my PC, one in my NAS

29:03SPEAKERand just do a direct connection.

29:05SPEAKER- That makes sense.

29:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it would be fun.

29:08SPEAKERLet's see here.

29:11SPEAKER- Is there a question in there?

29:12SPEAKER- No, it's just a little tip.

29:14SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

29:15SPEAKER- The lack is just happens to be the exact right size.

29:17SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh, got it, okay.

29:21SPEAKER- Question from Justin.

29:23SPEAKERHow do I get my Windows audio to automatically Switch

29:25SPEAKERfrom my computer speakers to my TV HDMI when I turn it on?

29:29SPEAKER- That's impossible, you can't do it.

29:30SPEAKER- Windows audio device juggling is terrible

29:33SPEAKERand always has been.

29:34SPEAKER- Well, hold on.

29:35SPEAKERYou can do that if you leave it plugged in all the time

29:37SPEAKERand you set the HDMI on the TV as the primary

29:41SPEAKERby turning it when it's on.

29:43SPEAKERAnd then when you plug in the TV or turn on the TV ever,

29:47SPEAKEReven if it's not you doing it, it will switch, it should.

29:50SPEAKERThat's what it's supposed to do.

29:51SPEAKER- Which is great right up until the first time it happens

29:53SPEAKERand you don't want it to.

29:55SPEAKERWhen somebody else turns the TV on.

29:56SPEAKER- You're watching something untoward

29:58SPEAKERand say a partner turns on the TV in the other room

30:00SPEAKERand all of a sudden there's strange noises coming from it.

30:02SPEAKER- That's not exactly where my mind went with that,

30:04SPEAKERbut sure, that's also undesirable.

30:06SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm talking about buying gifts

30:09SPEAKERfor your partner in incognito mode.

30:11SPEAKER- Yes.

30:12SPEAKER- Gifts.

30:13SPEAKER- Yes, if you're watching a YouTube review

30:14SPEAKERof that cutlery set and you don't want to give away

30:16SPEAKERthe surprise.

30:17SPEAKER- Yeah, or you're like into some,

30:19SPEAKERyou're watching some anime and people are really excited.

30:22SPEAKER- Yeah, or just gotten way down a VTuber hole

30:25SPEAKERand you don't want anybody to know what you're up to.

30:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I got no beef with the VTubers.

30:32SPEAKER- Let's see if I can manage to include a VTuber thumbnail

30:35SPEAKERon both podcasts that I edit this week.

30:38SPEAKER- That was, there was some conversation about this week

30:41SPEAKERon the Discord.

30:42SPEAKER- It's attention getting.

30:44SPEAKER- People love their VTubers.

30:45SPEAKER- They sure do.

30:46SPEAKER- We have some friends who do some like VTubers stuff.

30:48SPEAKER- Whatever, dude, I know that, fuck that, man.

30:50SPEAKERI was VTubing five years ago.

30:52SPEAKER- Over here, how were you VTubing five years ago?

30:54SPEAKER- I full on used face rig on a UPF in 2015.

30:58SPEAKER- Wow, you were a thought leader.

31:00SPEAKER- Subbed myself in.

31:02SPEAKER- T-H-O-T-T, you could have been,

31:03SPEAKERyou could have been huge in Japan, Korea, and China.

31:08SPEAKER- Yes, I missed my calling.

31:10SPEAKER- Missed opportunity.

31:11SPEAKER- As usual.

31:13SPEAKERThere might be some third-party solutions out there

31:15SPEAKERto make the audio device switching a little better

31:18SPEAKERin Windows, but it's not amazing.

31:20SPEAKERIt's better than it used to be, actually.

31:22SPEAKER- I feel like there's a command line script,

31:23SPEAKERlike there's a NIRSOFT tool.

31:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah, NIRSOFT always to the rescue, NIRSOFT definitely.

31:27SPEAKERIn fact, I use a NIRSOFT utility to do exactly that,

31:30SPEAKERbut that's not quite, he's asking for automatic switching

31:34SPEAKERback and forth intelligently, and it doesn't,

31:37SPEAKERlike even in my use case with that NIRSOFT,

31:39SPEAKERI still have to click a shortcut every time

31:41SPEAKERI wanna change a device and stuff like that.

31:43SPEAKER- Well, so you can do task scheduler

31:45SPEAKERand have it watch for a particular event ID

31:48SPEAKERwith that device connecting,

31:50SPEAKERand then fire the NIRSOFT task on that.

31:53SPEAKERBut my guess is it's not gonna work very well,

31:54SPEAKERand it's gonna be really fucking annoying.

31:56SPEAKER- Knowing Windows, that's probably not very reliable,

31:58SPEAKERand probably more work than you wanna do.

32:02SPEAKERYeah, it's just kind of a mess.

32:06SPEAKERLet's see here.

32:08SPEAKERActually, I didn't even realize

32:09SPEAKERwe have two PC audio questions this week,

32:11SPEAKERso I'll just do the other one, this is from Jack.

32:15SPEAKERIf you have speakers hooked up to your computer

32:16SPEAKERand they have a volume knob on them,

32:18SPEAKERbut your keyboard also has volume keys, which do you use?

32:21SPEAKERThe software volume control or the hardware?

32:24SPEAKERI've always opted for the hardware knob, but my sneakers,

32:28SPEAKERI think he meant speakers here,

32:30SPEAKERbut my speakers on my desk will be behind monitors now,

32:32SPEAKERso I'm gonna have to try and retrain my whole situation.

32:37SPEAKERDo you have strong feelings about this?

32:38SPEAKER- I use the hardware knob at 50%.

32:39SPEAKER- And then never touch it?

32:41SPEAKER- Never touch it.

32:42SPEAKER- Oh my God, that is...

32:43SPEAKERI'm a little more flexible these days,

32:45SPEAKERbut that is the exact opposite of where I used to be

32:47SPEAKERlike way back in the day, like 20 years ago or whatever.

32:49SPEAKERLike I was full on hardware knob and nothing else.

32:51SPEAKERI didn't wanna touch any of the volume sliders on the PC

32:55SPEAKERfor any reason if I could help it.

32:57SPEAKERI don't know why,

32:58SPEAKERbut like application specific volume controls

33:00SPEAKERor even like the slider and windows or whatever,

33:02SPEAKERjust like, no, thank you.

33:03SPEAKERI don't like, I couldn't tell you.

33:05SPEAKERI wanted a consistent volume out of the source

33:07SPEAKERand just be able to change it to the hardware level.

33:10SPEAKER- So that's what I used to do, I guess.

33:13SPEAKERAnd since I started streaming more,

33:15SPEAKERgetting the audio levels right is more impactful

33:18SPEAKERto other human beings and not just me.

33:19SPEAKER- I think that's what broke me of that habit

33:21SPEAKERis at some point, if you're trying to stream,

33:23SPEAKERyou're trying to send one type audio out to people

33:25SPEAKERunder Discord and like another one to the stream you're doing

33:27SPEAKERand like you're trying to maybe record yet another volume,

33:29SPEAKERlike at some point you have to give in

33:31SPEAKERand just fill volume anywhere you can.

33:34SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

33:36SPEAKERI miss, so I also have studio monitors on my desk

33:39SPEAKERand haven't had an easy volume knob on them

33:42SPEAKERin like five years.

33:43SPEAKERSo when I got rid of the clipshes, the volume knob went away.

33:47SPEAKERSo that kind of solved the problem for me.

33:49SPEAKER- You will take my Cambridge soundworks cubes

33:52SPEAKERfrom my cold dead hands, so I will always have a volume knob.

33:56SPEAKER- You have a lifetime supply right now.

33:58SPEAKER- I will always have a volume knob,

34:01SPEAKERbut use the software ones too.

34:05SPEAKERThat's what they're there for.

34:06SPEAKERAll right.

34:07SPEAKER- I think we might have gotten a little bit of my daughter

34:08SPEAKERin that last question, so I apologize.

34:10SPEAKER- I didn't hear anything.

34:12SPEAKERUsing any of the RTX, mess with that broadcast app,

34:16SPEAKERthis price should probably save that for another week, but.

34:18SPEAKER- So the broadcast app, this question is from Brad.

34:21SPEAKER- Hey, do you mess with that broadcast app at all?

34:24SPEAKERIt doesn't really work for me 'cause I do two PC.

34:26SPEAKER- Oh, right.

34:27SPEAKEROkay.

34:28SPEAKERIt's spitting out virtual devices,

34:30SPEAKERso you need it to be on the same machine

34:32SPEAKERas the streaming is happening on?

34:35SPEAKER- Like theoretically, so I don't have an RTX card

34:38SPEAKERin the streaming machine 'cause I don't need one there.

34:42SPEAKERI could theoretically run it there

34:45SPEAKERand it would be nice maybe to filter Discord

34:46SPEAKER'cause a lot of times you play games with people

34:48SPEAKERwho have clacky keyboards.

34:49SPEAKERIt would be dope to take out the clackiness from their feed,

34:53SPEAKERbut it doesn't.

34:56SPEAKERBecause of the way I use the hardware mixer,

34:58SPEAKERit makes everything way more complicated

35:00SPEAKERand I don't think there's an easy way to do that

35:02SPEAKER'cause it runs, the Discord feed runs into voice meter

35:06SPEAKERand then across an SEO bus to the mixer

35:10SPEAKERwhere it gets mixed in and then goes straight to OBS,

35:12SPEAKERso there's no place for me to filter it out really.

35:13SPEAKER- It's fair.

35:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:15SPEAKER- That is fair.

35:16SPEAKERIf and when I get my hands on an RTX card,

35:18SPEAKERI am excited to try that stuff out.

35:19SPEAKEREspecially 'cause I got this super nice new mirrorless camera

35:22SPEAKERwhich already does nice depth of field optically.

35:25SPEAKERSo I'm hoping that, I mean, it seems like that RTX fake green

35:29SPEAKERor programmatic green screen feature works very well anyway,

35:34SPEAKERbut I'm assuming if you've got a camera

35:35SPEAKERthat focuses very well on the foreground

35:37SPEAKERand blurs the background, it'll be even better.

35:39SPEAKER- You shouldn't, but I mean, since you have the camera

35:41SPEAKERthat blurs the background, you shouldn't need the,

35:45SPEAKER'cause remember there's performance hit on that stuff.

35:46SPEAKERYou don't want to take a 10% performance hit

35:49SPEAKERon blurring the background when you have a lens

35:51SPEAKERthat does that on your camera already.

35:52SPEAKER- Oh no, I'm not talking about blurring the background.

35:54SPEAKERI'm talking about removing it.

35:56SPEAKER- Same thing.

35:56SPEAKER- Can, are there--

35:57SPEAKER- Oh, you want to green screen it with the--

35:58SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I want just a cut out of me

36:00SPEAKERin the foreground with no background.

36:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that works.

36:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm excited to try that stuff out.

36:05SPEAKER- It's funny 'cause all the Twitch kids

36:06SPEAKERare all about having cool backgrounds.

36:09SPEAKER- Well, a lot of people do that cut out now.

36:11SPEAKERLike I feel like a lot of the bigger Twitch feeds I look at.

36:15SPEAKERIn the three years that I've been streaming,

36:18SPEAKERit has gone, it started out as everybody green screening

36:21SPEAKERand then everybody went to the big room

36:25SPEAKERand now people are, that started,

36:26SPEAKERthe wave is starting to turn back it seems.

36:28SPEAKER- Don't get me wrong.

36:29SPEAKERIf I can sub stupid animated backgrounds in

36:31SPEAKERinstead of cutting myself out, keying myself out

36:34SPEAKERor whatever, I will absolutely lead in that direction.

36:36SPEAKER- Don't do static.

36:37SPEAKERH.264 does not like static, it turns out.

36:40SPEAKER- I will hang out in front

36:41SPEAKERof the Weather Channel all day long.

36:43SPEAKER- Yeah, that good place background, everything's fine.

36:46SPEAKER- That's right, at least it's fine somewhere.

36:49SPEAKER- Yeah, in hell.

36:50SPEAKER- Let's see, how about this one?

36:57SPEAKERTom from Cape Cod.

36:59SPEAKER- Okay.

37:00SPEAKER- I wanted to get your thoughts on the arc

37:02SPEAKERof industrial design of phones

37:03SPEAKERand other consumer tech products,

37:05SPEAKERspecifically Apple's iPhone and AirPod line.

37:08SPEAKERI've never understood the move towards a design

37:10SPEAKERprioritizing rounded edges and all glass

37:13SPEAKERthat seems incapable of being held reliably

37:15SPEAKERby the human hand and prone to sliding effortlessly

37:18SPEAKERfrom your pocket.

37:19SPEAKERLikewise, the smooth rounded edges of my AirPods case

37:22SPEAKERseem to be tailor made to slip out of the pockets

37:24SPEAKERof my scrubs while driving or off the edge

37:27SPEAKERof shelves and desks.

37:29SPEAKERSo I wanted to hear your thoughts on this drive

37:31SPEAKERtowards form over function that ultimately ends up being

37:34SPEAKERsomewhat or mostly concealed by some form

37:36SPEAKERof protective case anyway.

37:38SPEAKERI loved the early days with my Droid and iPhone 4

37:41SPEAKERwhere I could safely carry my phone naked

37:43SPEAKERas the day it was born unencumbered by a protective case.

37:47SPEAKER- I miss the plastic back phones.

37:48SPEAKER- Really?

37:49SPEAKER- Huh? - Yeah.

37:50SPEAKER- Interesting.

37:51SPEAKER- Well, I've...

37:53SPEAKER- Just for the ruggedness?

37:55SPEAKER- So my daughter was born in 2013.

37:57SPEAKERStarting about 2015, I always had to have a case

38:00SPEAKERon the phone 'cause I smashed two iPhones

38:02SPEAKERwithin about two weeks of each other.

38:03SPEAKER- Ooh, that hurts.

38:04SPEAKER- It was expensive.

38:05SPEAKER- Yeah, that hurts.

38:06SPEAKER- I mean, I didn't smash them, I had help.

38:08SPEAKER- Yes, of course.

38:09SPEAKER- As soon as they were equally destroyed.

38:12SPEAKERI feel like the post iPhone 4 design

38:16SPEAKERwas designed to move cases.

38:18SPEAKER- Like so?

38:19SPEAKER- Or AppleCare.

38:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:20SPEAKER- Well, you'd have to be a maniac to not buy AppleCare

38:23SPEAKERon a phone with a glass back.

38:24SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.

38:25SPEAKERWell, so the 4 had a glass back, did it not?

38:28SPEAKERI'm pretty sure it did.

38:29SPEAKERThe 4 did, the 5 did not.

38:29SPEAKER- I'm saying anything from the 4 on, yeah.

38:32SPEAKER- I think the 5 was all metal.

38:35SPEAKERAnd then...

38:36SPEAKERActually, so was the 6.

38:37SPEAKER- The 5 had a partial glass back.

38:39SPEAKER- The 6, everything else after that has been glass.

38:41SPEAKER- It was that little strip at the top that was glass.

38:42SPEAKER- Yeah, the strip at the top of the antenna.

38:43SPEAKER- I think that was for antenna purposes, yeah, right?

38:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:45SPEAKER- I mean, that's why they're on glass now, right?

38:46SPEAKERIt was mostly antenna stuff.

38:48SPEAKER- And wireless charge is just as transparent as plastic.

38:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm with you.

38:52SPEAKERI wish they would just come up with some

38:54SPEAKERhigh-end Italian plastic that Apple could be happy with.

38:57SPEAKER- Look, this is, yeah, this is very much...

39:00SPEAKERLike the design goal with...

39:02SPEAKERFirst off, scrubs have terrible...

39:05SPEAKERI've never worn a pair.

39:06SPEAKERI've only worn scrubs a handful of times.

39:07SPEAKERThe pockets suck.

39:09SPEAKERThey're always too shallow and shit falls out of them.

39:11SPEAKERSo...

39:13SPEAKER- There's that.

39:14SPEAKER- There's that.

39:15SPEAKERB, I don't...

39:17SPEAKERI think that they...

39:18SPEAKERPart of this is Johnny Ives bullshit

39:20SPEAKERabout making things thinner and shinier

39:22SPEAKERand making them feel expensive even if they're not.

39:24SPEAKER- And more rounded.

39:25SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I mean, the rounded

39:27SPEAKERis an old school Apple thing.

39:28SPEAKERThat's been around.

39:29SPEAKERLike they always did rounded icons and stuff like that.

39:30SPEAKER- Before, well, I mean, I'll just say it right now.

39:32SPEAKERI never owned an iPhone 4, but the 4 and the 5,

39:34SPEAKERwhich I did own, I think are my favorite iPhones still.

39:37SPEAKER- The 5 is probably my favorite iPhone at this point.

39:39SPEAKER- 5 might be my favorite iPhone.

39:40SPEAKERI mean, the chamfered edges were a little weird.

39:42SPEAKERYou know, the triangular kind of slanted shape, but...

39:45SPEAKER- There's a straight through line

39:46SPEAKERfrom the 4 and the 5 to the 10 though.

39:48SPEAKER- Like I've got...

39:49SPEAKERHang on.

39:50SPEAKERI've got my 5 right here.

39:53SPEAKERThe screen is flat.

39:54SPEAKER- What a beaut.

39:55SPEAKER- Nice, just nice, nice hard edge.

39:57SPEAKERIt's easy to swipe all the way to the edge of the screen.

40:00SPEAKERIt stands up.

40:02SPEAKERLike you can't see it in the camera,

40:03SPEAKERbut like it literally...

40:04SPEAKER- Yeah, the standing up is really good.

40:04SPEAKER- Literally stands up on its edge.

40:05SPEAKERI've got it sitting here standing up on its side right now.

40:08SPEAKER- I would put it on the tray in front of me

40:09SPEAKERand just balance it on the barely pulled out plane tray.

40:14SPEAKER- So do you know how starting with the 6,

40:16SPEAKERthey're glass and I've got an 8 right here,

40:18SPEAKERwhich you can maybe kind of see,

40:20SPEAKERlike the glass went to rounded starting with the 6.

40:23SPEAKERI have always had a hard time swiping

40:24SPEAKERto the far edge of the UI

40:26SPEAKERbecause of that stupid rounded edge and I hate it.

40:28SPEAKER- Well, so the 6 also had the new borosilicate glass

40:32SPEAKERand the curves...

40:34SPEAKERThe 6 was the one I broke two of

40:35SPEAKERand I'm pretty sure it was because those curves

40:37SPEAKERare incredible stress points.

40:39SPEAKERSo any kind of impact on the curve,

40:42SPEAKERthe corner curve seemed to smash them.

40:44SPEAKERI feel like the chamfered edges on the aluminum

40:47SPEAKERwere really good.

40:50SPEAKERBut I would say all modern phones

40:54SPEAKERwith a handful of exceptions are designed to have cases

40:57SPEAKERand that's just a cost of doing business.

40:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I suppose so.

41:00SPEAKER- I mean, also the thing to remember is in that time,

41:04SPEAKERI mean, the iPhone was expensive when it launched,

41:06SPEAKERbut we've gone from phones that they expected you

41:07SPEAKERto upgrade every year to...

41:10SPEAKERI'm into my third year, I think, on my iPhone 10

41:13SPEAKERand it's just now starting to kind of chug a little bit.

41:17SPEAKERSo I feel like, you know, buy a case.

41:23SPEAKERI'm on my second case for this phone, actually.

41:26SPEAKERI wore the first one out,

41:26SPEAKERone of the leather one that I got at first, so.

41:29SPEAKER- Case I'm using on this 8

41:30SPEAKERis billed as the world's thinnest case.

41:32SPEAKERIn fact, I feel like calling it a case is very generous.

41:35SPEAKER- Those don't do anything to protect the phone from drops,

41:37SPEAKERit's just scratches.

41:38SPEAKER- No, it's just scratches, I only got it.

41:39SPEAKERI got it 'cause it has a glass back

41:41SPEAKERand I wanted to not scratch that up

41:42SPEAKERto make sure the resale value hung around a bit.

41:45SPEAKER- Well, the nice thing about the thin cases

41:47SPEAKERon the glass back is if you smash the back,

41:49SPEAKERit doesn't matter 'cause you'll never know

41:50SPEAKERuntil you take the case off when you're ready to sell it.

41:52SPEAKER- And it does give a nice textured grip

41:53SPEAKERthat makes it a little easier

41:55SPEAKERand does not increase the bulk of the phone.

41:56SPEAKERAnyway, I mean, it's totally understandable,

42:00SPEAKERbut they sure are late with the iPhone announcement

42:02SPEAKERfor the year, but all those rumors about it,

42:06SPEAKERall those rumors about the iPhone 12

42:07SPEAKERgoing back to the four or five era design language

42:11SPEAKERare very, very exciting to me.

42:14SPEAKER- This is the first time in a while

42:15SPEAKERthat we don't kind of know

42:16SPEAKERwhat the phone's gonna look like yet.

42:17SPEAKERUsually there's rumors by this point.

42:19SPEAKER- There are some renders out there, you can find some stuff.

42:21SPEAKERIt's not. - There's always renders,

42:22SPEAKERbut are they actual, typically the case manufacturers

42:27SPEAKERwill have leaked blanks and stuff like that by now.

42:30SPEAKER- I wonder if just the pandemic is just making it harder

42:32SPEAKERfor leakers to get their hands on that information.

42:34SPEAKER- I would bet that there are way fewer people

42:36SPEAKERactually touching the things across all,

42:40SPEAKERall types of these markets.

42:42SPEAKER- I think the latest rumors I saw

42:44SPEAKERsaid announcement like early October,

42:45SPEAKERso that's probably just a couple of weeks,

42:47SPEAKERthree weeks off maybe.

42:48SPEAKER- I mean, so the only thing that makes me excited

42:51SPEAKERabout those dual screen phones

42:53SPEAKERis that then you have something that you close up,

42:56SPEAKERthe clamshell closes up, you put it in your pocket

42:58SPEAKERand all the delicate bits are protected.

43:01SPEAKER- God, we're just back to flip phones again, aren't we?

43:04SPEAKER- I mean, you can buy a Razr right now.

43:05SPEAKER- Everything, everything just wraps back around eventually.

43:08SPEAKER- Yeah, pretty soon. - Yes, yes.

43:10SPEAKER- That joke in Zoolander about how small the phone is

43:12SPEAKERwill make sense to the next generation of children.

43:15SPEAKER- Indeed.

43:16SPEAKER- Also don't watch Zoolander, maybe.

43:18SPEAKER- All right, couple more emails real quick

43:20SPEAKERbefore we get out of here.

43:22SPEAKERThis one is from Tom in Toronto.

43:25SPEAKERCouple of more like socially minded topics here around tech.

43:30SPEAKERAround April, I decided to learn how to program.

43:32SPEAKERI've done random coding and scripting over the years,

43:34SPEAKERbut most of the time I didn't really understand

43:35SPEAKERwhat I was doing and just copied and pasted random stuff

43:37SPEAKERfrom Stack Overflow, a literal script kitty.

43:41SPEAKERAlso I'm approaching 40 and maybe this is my midlife crisis,

43:44SPEAKERbut the good news is that it's been great

43:46SPEAKERat keeping my mind occupied

43:48SPEAKERand has been incredibly rewarding.

43:49SPEAKERIt's obviously intimidating and daunting

43:51SPEAKERto start out at my age

43:52SPEAKERand considering I could barely remember high school math,

43:54SPEAKERI thought there was a good chance

43:55SPEAKERI wouldn't actually be able to do it.

43:58SPEAKERBut since April, I've learned enough C

44:00SPEAKERto be somewhat dangerous and enough Python

44:02SPEAKERto already consider other languages inferior.

44:05SPEAKERI've learned a ton and maybe I just happened

44:06SPEAKERto fall into decent communities, including your own,

44:09SPEAKERbut people have been incredibly helpful and supportive.

44:12SPEAKERWith that long self-congratulatory preamble over,

44:16SPEAKERone thing that keeps popping into my head is the thought

44:18SPEAKERthat a lot of the work programmers do

44:20SPEAKERmay not be very ethical.

44:22SPEAKERI don't just mean programmers and engineers

44:24SPEAKERthat write something illicit

44:25SPEAKERso that a car passes an emissions test.

44:28SPEAKERI mean the run of the mill work done

44:29SPEAKERwithin a lot of companies.

44:31SPEAKERHow many people do programmers put out of work each year?

44:34SPEAKEROpen AI has only been around for five years

44:36SPEAKERand GPT has only been around since 2018.

44:39SPEAKERWhere will they be in 2030?

44:42SPEAKERI also don't hear a lot of politicians

44:43SPEAKERand lawmakers addressing this sort of thing.

44:45SPEAKERGenerally when anything related to technology comes up

44:48SPEAKERin front of government leaders, it's embarrassing.

44:51SPEAKERI don't think most countries have any sort

44:53SPEAKERof programmers labor organization like engineers may have

44:56SPEAKERor the same level of just cultures

44:59SPEAKERwhere this sort of thing might be addressed.

45:02SPEAKERI'm guessing this must be discussed in academics,

45:04SPEAKERbut from the outside, a lot of the general organization

45:07SPEAKERseems insanely fragmented and heavily corporate.

45:11SPEAKERDo you know of any leaders out there

45:12SPEAKERtalking about this sort of thing intelligently?

45:14SPEAKERDoes any of this worry you as much as it does me?

45:18SPEAKERWill shook his head and then nodded his head.

45:19SPEAKERI think I'm with you on all of that.

45:22SPEAKERYeah, everything you said is right.

45:25SPEAKERYes, like I mean, whatever.

45:27SPEAKERI mean, that's just such a broad topic.

45:28SPEAKERYou know, the idea of automation displacing

45:30SPEAKERpeople's livelihoods becomes more and more urgent every day.

45:35SPEAKERI mean, yeah.

45:38SPEAKERLike the one, I don't know how much stock you put in this

45:41SPEAKERbut the one I always see floated as the nightmare scenario

45:43SPEAKERis the idea of the end of human operated long haul trucking.

45:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like it would take a boatload of jobs.

45:50SPEAKER- Yes, and how many people that will put out of work

45:52SPEAKERand or more to the point, how close that might be.

45:54SPEAKERI mean, that's the part where maybe it breaks down

45:56SPEAKERis maybe like people always think things like self-driving

45:59SPEAKERare a lot closer than they actually are.

46:01SPEAKERMaybe that's 30 or 40 years away instead of 10.

46:04SPEAKERBut like, that's the one I keep seeing people saying

46:08SPEAKERis like, oh, that's the one that may actually happen

46:10SPEAKERand cause this massive, massive disruption.

46:14SPEAKER- So I talked to an economist friend

46:16SPEAKERabout the idea of automation killing jobs years ago.

46:19SPEAKER- Or in this case, we can also roll like AI killing jobs.

46:23SPEAKER- Yeah, same thing.

46:24SPEAKERI mean, AI is replacing brain jobs.

46:27SPEAKERAutomation is replacing physical jobs.

46:32SPEAKERAnd he said that every time this has happened in the past,

46:36SPEAKERstarting with like the invention of the cotton mill

46:39SPEAKERor cotton gin and the industrial revolution

46:41SPEAKERand all that stuff,

46:42SPEAKERevery time there's been a technological advance

46:45SPEAKERthat reduced the amount of labor

46:47SPEAKERthat goes into previous jobs,

46:52SPEAKERthe result of that labor going away was always more jobs.

46:58SPEAKERLike, because if all the blogging,

47:01SPEAKERin the example we were talking about was AI,

47:03SPEAKERmachine learning algorithms writing blog posts,

47:06SPEAKER'cause that's been like,

47:07SPEAKERif you recall, there was a thing in like 2013

47:10SPEAKERthat they had a bad ML algorithm

47:12SPEAKERthat could kind of generate a blog post

47:13SPEAKERoff of a press release pretty easily.

47:16SPEAKERAnd the thing that he said in that example was,

47:22SPEAKERhey, probably the people that are doing those jobs now

47:26SPEAKERwill find other jobs either picking the press releases

47:30SPEAKERthat go into the generator, so their output goes way up.

47:34SPEAKERSo instead of writing five $10 blog posts a day,

47:36SPEAKERthey'll write 50 $10 blog posts a day.

47:38SPEAKERSo there'll be way more content,

47:40SPEAKERwhich is a whole other problem.

47:42SPEAKEROr there'll be other jobs training the algorithms

47:47SPEAKERto work better or something like that.

47:50SPEAKERIt's always scary, I think,

47:52SPEAKERwhen we think about automation replacing people's jobs.

47:55SPEAKERBut the fossil fuel thing is kind of an interesting place.

47:59SPEAKERLike, yeah, we've lost a bunch of coal jobs,

48:01SPEAKERwe've lost a bunch of natural gas jobs.

48:03SPEAKERI mean, actually we haven't lost so many natural gas jobs

48:05SPEAKER'cause fracking is way up.

48:06SPEAKERBut the point is we've lost fossil fuel jobs

48:08SPEAKERand at the same time,

48:09SPEAKERthe number of environmentally friendly power generation jobs

48:13SPEAKERhave multiplied dramatically.

48:14SPEAKERAre there as many of those

48:16SPEAKERas there were oil drilling jobs 50 years ago?

48:18SPEAKERProbably not.

48:19SPEAKERBut there aren't as many oil drilling jobs

48:21SPEAKERas there were 50 years ago either

48:22SPEAKERbecause that whole industry has gotten pretty automated.

48:25SPEAKERAnd yeah, anyway.

48:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe what your friend is saying

48:29SPEAKERon a long enough time scale,

48:30SPEAKERof course, society is going to adapt.

48:32SPEAKERLike the problem is in the short term,

48:33SPEAKERhow much pain and uncertainty does that create

48:35SPEAKERfor the specific individuals being displaced?

48:38SPEAKERLike obviously, people who are kids now,

48:41SPEAKERonce they come up and those jobs are no longer there,

48:43SPEAKERthey will find something else to do

48:44SPEAKERbecause they've never had to find something to do

48:46SPEAKERin the first place before.

48:47SPEAKER- Yeah, like clean water distiller will be a job

48:49SPEAKERwhen our kids are looking for jobs,

48:52SPEAKERthey'll have to go out and moisture farm

48:54SPEAKERso that we have fresh water to drink.

48:55SPEAKER- But for the people that have built an entire life

48:57SPEAKERand career out of or around something

48:59SPEAKERthat suddenly is not there anymore,

49:00SPEAKERlike that is significantly more problematic

49:03SPEAKERthan it is for future generations.

49:05SPEAKERLike, I don't know.

49:06SPEAKERLike, I don't cotton to the idea

49:08SPEAKERthat progress should be held back

49:11SPEAKERbecause it will put people out of work.

49:13SPEAKER- You can't do that.

49:13SPEAKERIt doesn't work.

49:14SPEAKERWe've tried that before.

49:15SPEAKER- Yeah, not only that, but also like, you know,

49:16SPEAKERyou can follow that logic to say like,

49:18SPEAKERwe shouldn't pursue green energy

49:19SPEAKERbecause it will put fossil fuel workers out of a job.

49:22SPEAKERLike that's obviously not tenable either,

49:23SPEAKERbut like that just places even more of an onus

49:26SPEAKERon political leaders to take care of those people

49:28SPEAKERand ease the transition and make sure

49:31SPEAKERthat they are not left destitute or helpless, right?

49:34SPEAKERBut unfortunately, it just feels like the will

49:36SPEAKERis never there at the political level

49:38SPEAKERto actually like have those sorts of,

49:41SPEAKERyeah, especially here.

49:44SPEAKER- The other side of this is the ethics of programming.

49:46SPEAKERAnd I think that people are starting

49:49SPEAKERto think about that much more now.

49:51SPEAKERIf you look at the impact of things like Facebook

49:53SPEAKERand election interference and, you know,

49:56SPEAKERplaces where like, if you write that,

49:59SPEAKERif you contribute to the algorithm

50:01SPEAKERthat determines what news people see on Facebook,

50:03SPEAKERare you culpable in the damage

50:05SPEAKERthat Facebook has done to Western democracies?

50:09SPEAKERI'm not in a position to say yes or no,

50:11SPEAKERbut I wouldn't wanna do that job probably.

50:14SPEAKERAnd I think people have to decide whether,

50:16SPEAKERyou know, a lot of good perks and a nice salary

50:18SPEAKERis worth contributing to that on an individual basis.

50:21SPEAKERIt would be nice if, like the American Society of Engineers,

50:26SPEAKERthe different engineering societies,

50:27SPEAKERlike there's chemical engineering societies,

50:29SPEAKERor there's civil engineer societies, stuff like that,

50:34SPEAKERdo kind of fill this hole for engineering,

50:38SPEAKERyou know, people who are engineer engineers,

50:42SPEAKERnot software engineers.

50:43SPEAKERAnd I feel like we don't have that kind of infrastructure

50:46SPEAKERaround software engineers,

50:47SPEAKERpartly because of the kind of shaming of unions

50:53SPEAKERfor white collar workers for a long time.

50:56SPEAKERNot that those societies are necessarily typical labor

50:59SPEAKERunions, but they do have some of the same purposes.

51:03SPEAKERAnd we would all be better off if more people

51:09SPEAKERwere thinking about what the long-term ramifications

51:13SPEAKERof their work and actions were.

51:15SPEAKER- Yes, yes, you're totally right.

51:17SPEAKERThere is no stopping the march of progress,

51:19SPEAKEReven if you want to, right?

51:20SPEAKERThe answer is just, you need more representation,

51:23SPEAKERmore, you know, more robust social safety net,

51:26SPEAKERmore regulatory action to try to funnel it

51:30SPEAKERin a positive direction and not a negative one.

51:32SPEAKER- Well, and the other thing to do,

51:35SPEAKERyeah, the thing to do is to look at what,

51:37SPEAKERfreeing up all of this labor.

51:39SPEAKERLike it's like automated, it's like industrial farming.

51:41SPEAKERYou know, when we industrialized farming in the sixties,

51:43SPEAKERin the US, all of a sudden we had a ton of brains

51:48SPEAKERthat could essentially be used for other things.

51:49SPEAKERSo like little Jimmy didn't have to go work on Papa's farm

51:52SPEAKERdoing the chickens every day.

51:53SPEAKERAnd he could go to college and get a degree

51:55SPEAKERand be an accountant or an engineer

51:59SPEAKERor a software programmer or whatever.

52:01SPEAKERAnd like each time that's happened,

52:04SPEAKERthe workforce has shifted generationally, but we do,

52:07SPEAKERyou're right, we do have to like help the people

52:09SPEAKERwho are pushed out of old jobs.

52:12SPEAKERSo whether it's bloggers or farmers or coal miners.

52:15SPEAKER- Somebody who's always gonna get left behind.

52:17SPEAKER- Yeah, Kirk Cameron, fuck that guy.

52:20SPEAKER- All right, last email. - Hot takes here, sorry.

52:23SPEAKER- Last email.

52:25SPEAKERThis one came in anonymously.

52:27SPEAKER- Oh.

52:28SPEAKER- There's a lot of talk in tech communities

52:30SPEAKERabout new things.

52:31SPEAKERIt's the nature of the beast, but there is no escaping

52:34SPEAKERthat new things cost money and meet old things,

52:36SPEAKERget phased out or thrown away.

52:38SPEAKERCompanies don't get to make cool new things

52:40SPEAKERunless people buy them, but often the changes are small

52:43SPEAKERand old things still work well.

52:46SPEAKERThere's an undercurrent of wanton consumerism to tech

52:48SPEAKERthat prevents a lot of people from engaging with it

52:51SPEAKERand can be a little crass when people dismiss

52:53SPEAKERwhat was amazing a few years ago as crap or unplayable

52:57SPEAKERor unwatchable or unlistenable.

53:01SPEAKEREveryone is different and can do what they want

53:03SPEAKERwith their money.

53:04SPEAKERSo I definitely don't want to start drawing lines

53:05SPEAKERor making examples, but I wanted to ask you too,

53:08SPEAKERhow long do you consider value in tech?

53:11SPEAKERI'm sorry, I misheard that.

53:12SPEAKERHow do you consider value in tech when you're shopping?

53:15SPEAKERDo you have to have a definite purpose or want something

53:18SPEAKERto last a minimum amount of time?

53:20SPEAKERI know it might be a bit different with work-related things,

53:23SPEAKERbut how do you feel about the consumerist angle

53:25SPEAKERthat drives a lot of tech hobbyism

53:28SPEAKERand whether there is a way to lower the barrier of entry

53:31SPEAKERfor some of this stuff?

53:32SPEAKERDo you get a kick out of doing something on the cheap

53:34SPEAKERnearly as well and saving some money?

53:38SPEAKERI will answer that last question first.

53:39SPEAKERYes, absolutely.

53:40SPEAKER- Yeah, 100%.

53:41SPEAKER- I 1000% get way more gratification out of doing something

53:45SPEAKERlike, you know, on a wish and a wing and a prayer

53:48SPEAKERor whatever, you know, like some bootstrapped cheap solution

53:52SPEAKERrather than like spending the big money

53:53SPEAKERand getting the nice thing.

53:54SPEAKERI will always rather put my own solution together

53:56SPEAKERfor something like that.

53:57SPEAKER- Oh, well, but it's tricky.

54:00SPEAKERThat can be tricky too, right?

54:01SPEAKERLike I was looking, I'm having router problems

54:03SPEAKERas predicated by our conversation a few months ago.

54:06SPEAKER- Fancy routers calling.

54:08SPEAKER- Fuck, I don't want a fancy router.

54:10SPEAKERAnyway, the point is I was looking at building

54:12SPEAKERa PF sense router with hardware that I have laying around.

54:15SPEAKERAnd when I figured out what the power would cost

54:18SPEAKERto run the PF sense hardware with the hardware

54:20SPEAKERI have laying around, I was like,

54:22SPEAKERit literally makes more sense for me to spend 180 bucks

54:25SPEAKERon an edge router that's gonna draw infinitely less power

54:30SPEAKERthan to try to like jury rig something together

54:33SPEAKERwith parts that I have just floating.

54:35SPEAKER- There are always gonna be considerations.

54:36SPEAKERI don't mean, it's not always a one size fits all,

54:38SPEAKERjust use your old stuff constantly kind of situation, but.

54:41SPEAKER- Yeah, no, but yeah, like this is a thing

54:44SPEAKERI've struggled with.

54:45SPEAKERI've done this, I've done, I've been in and out

54:46SPEAKERof this business for 20 years.

54:48SPEAKERAnd it's one of the things that when we started testing,

54:49SPEAKERwhen Norman and I started testing, we talked about a lot

54:52SPEAKERbecause at Maximum PC, the brand that I walked into

54:57SPEAKERand became part of and didn't have anything to do

55:00SPEAKERwith forming was performance at all costs,

55:04SPEAKERwhich in the nineties made sense, right?

55:07SPEAKERLike the jump from a Pentium 3 to a Pentium 4 was enormous.

55:13SPEAKERAnd if you were using that computer for work or for play,

55:17SPEAKERlike you could spend money on a new piece of,

55:20SPEAKERalso the hardware was a lot cheaper.

55:22SPEAKERYou'd spend 500 bucks on a new CPU

55:23SPEAKERand it would have a market improvement

55:25SPEAKERin either your enjoyment of your hobby

55:26SPEAKERor your day-to-day work life.

55:28SPEAKERYou could get more work done.

55:29SPEAKERIf you're a photographer or a video editor,

55:32SPEAKERgetting more work done on that machine

55:33SPEAKERmeant you were making more money, which is presumably good.

55:38SPEAKERThe thing that changed is that the performance increases,

55:44SPEAKERgenerationally you started to decrease.

55:46SPEAKERLike you'd go from a 30 or 40 or 50% performance boost

55:49SPEAKERin some cases to a five or 10% performance

55:52SPEAKERin a more incremental upgrade.

55:54SPEAKERAnd at that point, no, you shouldn't upgrade for a 10% boost

55:59SPEAKERunless there is a measurable impact, right?

56:03SPEAKERSo when we started testing, we wanted to balance that out.

56:05SPEAKERAnd we started thinking about, when you're buying phones,

56:08SPEAKERyou're buying a phone for at least a year or two.

56:11SPEAKERNormal people should be buying a phone

56:12SPEAKERfor at least two years,

56:14SPEAKER'cause that's what the contract terms were at the time.

56:16SPEAKER- Even two years to me sounds pretty woefully short.

56:20SPEAKERLike I'm kind of on the same page as this email

56:22SPEAKERor to some degree, like in a perfect world.

56:24SPEAKERAnd granted, we're not really there.

56:25SPEAKERLike in a world where Android and iOS updates are coming out

56:29SPEAKERthat make old phones run like garbage.

56:31SPEAKERAnd actually, they're actually getting worse over time

56:33SPEAKERinstead of just staying static.

56:35SPEAKERLike it's not feasible, but like ideally,

56:38SPEAKERI would like to be able to get like five years or more

56:40SPEAKERout of a phone because-

56:42SPEAKER- So the phone's a weird case, right?

56:44SPEAKER'Cause the batteries are good for usually about 1500 cycles

56:46SPEAKERand they're relatively easy to replace now.

56:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that's assuming like,

56:49SPEAKERoh, you might have to go get at least one,

56:51SPEAKERif maybe not two battery replacements in that time.

56:53SPEAKER- Yeah, but also like I do kind of subscribe

56:59SPEAKERto the Brian Lamb who started Wirecutter

57:02SPEAKERand is a longtime friend and one of the editors

57:05SPEAKERof Gizmodo for a long time has posted a thing years ago

57:09SPEAKERthat I think about every time it's time

57:11SPEAKERto look at new iPhones,

57:12SPEAKERwhich is that that's his primary computer.

57:14SPEAKERAnd like you and I sit in front of desktop computers

57:17SPEAKERmost of the day and it's not our primary computer.

57:19SPEAKERBut if your work or your life is such that like that phone

57:23SPEAKERis your day to day,

57:25SPEAKERthe main way that you connect with the digital world,

57:28SPEAKERI can kind of see upgrading it every year, every two years.

57:31SPEAKER- Sure, yeah.

57:32SPEAKER- I don't find that particularly offensive.

57:33SPEAKERSame thing like Gina,

57:35SPEAKERwe have Gina on the upgrade plan for the phones

57:37SPEAKERbecause like it's literally the main camera

57:40SPEAKERfor the house at this point.

57:41SPEAKERAnd she takes pictures of our kid and our family doing stuff.

57:43SPEAKER- That's fair.

57:45SPEAKER- And those, but also at the same time,

57:47SPEAKERthe performance jump between my iPhone 10

57:50SPEAKERand her iPhone 11 is such that like there's a measure,

57:54SPEAKERthere's a market difference in the quality

57:56SPEAKERof the photos she takes and I take.

57:57SPEAKER- Yeah, like phones, mobile devices are now

57:59SPEAKERwhere the PCs were 20, 25 years ago, right?

58:02SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I think the phones are actually now

58:05SPEAKERat the point where the PCs were 10 years ago.

58:08SPEAKER- So they're starting to hit that plateau, right?

58:10SPEAKER- I think we're at that point of diminishing returns.

58:11SPEAKERIf you buy a thousand dollar phone this year,

58:13SPEAKERyou're probably good for three years at least

58:15SPEAKERand probably five if you,

58:17SPEAKERespecially if you are careful about upgrading

58:19SPEAKERwhen you get towards upgrading software,

58:21SPEAKERwhen you get toward the end of that cycle.

58:22SPEAKER- Right, like this is actually the reason I,

58:24SPEAKERit's been a couple of months, I think,

58:26SPEAKERor more than I was talking about replacing this iPhone 8

58:28SPEAKERwith an SE, like that's, it's the same form factor,

58:30SPEAKERthe same screen, like my hands-on experience

58:33SPEAKERwith this phone will not change one iota if I get an SE.

58:36SPEAKER- You get a better camera and it'll be way faster,

58:38SPEAKERthat's the two differences.

58:39SPEAKER- But that's the thing, the guts of that thing

58:40SPEAKERare so much faster than what I've got in this phone now

58:42SPEAKERand the price is so cheap that it's like,

58:44SPEAKERthat is actually a long-term, like kind of,

58:48SPEAKERthat's like a long-term play, basically.

58:49SPEAKERThat's like, this is the least amount of money

58:52SPEAKERI can invest in my phone to get the maximum amount

58:54SPEAKERof longevity out of it, right?

58:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:57SPEAKER- That's why I wanted to replace it,

58:58SPEAKERwas if I buy an SE right now,

58:59SPEAKERthat phone is probably good for three or four years.

59:02SPEAKER- Well, this is one of those things, like,

59:06SPEAKERthis is why when we started testing,

59:07SPEAKERwe were focusing on what the upgrade gives you, right?

59:10SPEAKERLike if the camera's a lot better

59:11SPEAKERand you use the camera a lot, it makes sense to upgrade.

59:13SPEAKERIf the processor's faster, the internet connection's faster

59:15SPEAKERand you're away from wifi,

59:17SPEAKERor you're doing heavy lifting on that thing,

59:19SPEAKERyeah, it makes sense.

59:20SPEAKERI feel like, and it's dangerous 'cause you come into the,

59:26SPEAKERwhen something new hits

59:27SPEAKERthat actually is a significant improvement,

59:29SPEAKERlike the jump from 3080, 1080 to 3080,

59:32SPEAKERor even 2080 to 3080 in a lot of cases,

59:35SPEAKERis such that if you do like ray tracing workloads,

59:39SPEAKERthat's a huge upgrade.

59:41SPEAKERThere's maybe two games that have ray tracing workloads

59:44SPEAKERright now that are worth playing.

59:46SPEAKERAnd presumably that'll change in the spring

59:48SPEAKERwhen like Cyberpunk comes out

59:49SPEAKERand rolls out ray tracing and stuff like that.

59:50SPEAKERBut it's a really,

59:55SPEAKERlike if you're playing,

59:57SPEAKERthe TLDR on this is if you're playing

59:59SPEAKERon a 7700 Intel processor and you have 1080p monitors,

1:00:04SPEAKERprobably you're not gonna see much of a difference

1:00:06SPEAKERbetween a 1080 TI and a 3080.

1:00:09SPEAKERYour frames will go up, but you're not gonna notice

1:00:12SPEAKERunless you're running a really high-end monitor

1:00:14SPEAKERor competitive esports player or something like that.

1:00:19SPEAKERAnd I always, like you should spend the money

1:00:23SPEAKERthat's right for you and that's it.

1:00:26SPEAKERLike you don't have to have a 3090 and a I10900

1:00:31SPEAKERor whatever it is to like play PC games.

1:00:34SPEAKERI know a ton of people who play,

1:00:36SPEAKERI know like competitive PUBG streamers

1:00:40SPEAKERwho are very good and are playing on like 1070s

1:00:42SPEAKERand stuff like that.

1:00:43SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.

1:00:44SPEAKER- Like, yeah.

1:00:45SPEAKER- I have always, my whole life I have been,

1:00:46SPEAKERI have always bought the mid range two budget graphics card,

1:00:49SPEAKERnot the, never, never the high-end.

1:00:51SPEAKER- Well, and the other thing to remember, especially,

1:00:54SPEAKERI say this as somebody who streams on Twitch

1:00:56SPEAKERlike five nights a week.

1:00:57SPEAKERWhen you do that, you get access to hardware

1:01:00SPEAKERthat you would not, that you do not have to pay for.

1:01:03SPEAKERAnd that changes, like do not,

1:01:05SPEAKERdo not look at what your favorite streamer does

1:01:07SPEAKERwith the PC they have listed in the box below the stream

1:01:11SPEAKERas, well, shit, this is what I have to do

1:01:12SPEAKERif I wanna play Call of Duty or this is what I need

1:01:16SPEAKERfor Fall Guys or Among Us

1:01:18SPEAKERor whatever people are watching at any given moment.

1:01:20SPEAKERLike be aware that, A, if there's something on their screen

1:01:23SPEAKERthat has a logo on it, that they're getting paid.

1:01:26SPEAKERBut like, yeah, worst case,

1:01:30SPEAKERthey're probably not paying for hardware

1:01:31SPEAKERif they have a few hundred people watching,

1:01:33SPEAKERfew thousand people watching, definitely.

1:01:34SPEAKER- Sure.

1:01:36SPEAKERYeah, just to the emailer's point,

1:01:40SPEAKERmy girlfriend hates this,

1:01:41SPEAKERbut I hang on to everything I can.

1:01:43SPEAKERLike if I get a new, I get a new router,

1:01:45SPEAKERI keep the old router goes in the drawer.

1:01:46SPEAKERIt doesn't get tossed out because--

1:01:48SPEAKER- I keep one generation back just in case something breaks

1:01:50SPEAKERso I don't have to go to Best Buy to replace it.

1:01:51SPEAKER- Or there's been cases where like,

1:01:52SPEAKERoh, the previous WiFi router I was using,

1:01:54SPEAKERI turned into a bridge that I could use to hook up,

1:01:57SPEAKERhook up a Netflix box in a room

1:01:59SPEAKERthat didn't have good WiFi signal otherwise

1:02:01SPEAKERor something like that.

1:02:02SPEAKERYou know, like there's always like finding a use

1:02:04SPEAKERfor something old that I've had lying around.

1:02:06SPEAKERLike the longer I've had it without using it,

1:02:08SPEAKERthe more satisfied I feel

1:02:10SPEAKERwhen I actually find something to do with it.

1:02:12SPEAKERLike that is way more satisfying to me

1:02:13SPEAKERthan buying something new always.

1:02:15SPEAKER- Brad, I have a kin phone in the garage

1:02:17SPEAKERthat's calling your name.

1:02:18SPEAKERI think you should just fire that thing up.

1:02:19SPEAKERIt's on Verizon.

1:02:20SPEAKERYou can hook it up.

1:02:21SPEAKERYou'll be good to go.

1:02:22SPEAKERYou're gonna love it.

1:02:23SPEAKER- I'll figure something out.

1:02:24SPEAKER- It spins open, I think.

1:02:25SPEAKERI can't remember.

1:02:26SPEAKERIt has a weird, weird, yeah.

1:02:28SPEAKER- I'll find a use for it.

1:02:29SPEAKERIt's my specialty.

1:02:31SPEAKERAll right, that's it.

1:02:32SPEAKERIt's all the emails.

1:02:33SPEAKER- Yeah, don't celebrate consumerism, yo.

1:02:35SPEAKERIt's bad.

1:02:36SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, the only other thing I was gonna say

1:02:39SPEAKERis like, as long as you're disposing

1:02:41SPEAKERof your electronics responsibly,

1:02:42SPEAKERlike it's not the worst thing, you know?

1:02:44SPEAKER- Like if you just, you flush them down the toilet

1:02:46SPEAKERor something, what's the strategy?

1:02:47SPEAKER- As long as you're donating them

1:02:48SPEAKERor like finding another home for them,

1:02:50SPEAKERlike just don't chuck stuff in the trash or whatever,

1:02:53SPEAKERyou know, or like take it to an e-waste recycling place

1:02:55SPEAKERif you absolutely need to just toss it out, you know?

1:02:59SPEAKER- Yeah, or give it to like, like I, for a long time,

1:03:02SPEAKERI don't do it anymore because my parents have,

1:03:05SPEAKERare hooked on that iPhone life

1:03:07SPEAKERand are regular upgraders now.

1:03:09SPEAKERBut yeah, give them to friends, family, kids.

1:03:12SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

1:03:13SPEAKERYes, find a home for them, maybe a library or something?

1:03:17SPEAKEROr, you know, there's-

1:03:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think libraries take that stuff anymore.

1:03:19SPEAKERI think it's become too much of a problem.

1:03:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I could see that, so.

1:03:24SPEAKER- But this is, so this is the part of the show.

1:03:27SPEAKERHey, first off, if you have questions,

1:03:30SPEAKERyou can send them to techpod@content.town.

1:03:33SPEAKERWe answered them in the last episode of Very Month Usually.

1:03:35SPEAKERNext week is, we hit a thousand patrons last month,

1:03:40SPEAKERand we're reading, as a result,

1:03:42SPEAKERThe Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,

1:03:43SPEAKERwhich is one of my favorite books

1:03:45SPEAKERthat I hadn't read in a long time, I realize.

1:03:46SPEAKER- I was gonna ask, are you in fact rereading it,

1:03:48SPEAKEReven though you've read it numerous times?

1:03:50SPEAKER- Oh yeah, of course.

1:03:51SPEAKERIt's funny though, 'cause it's like, you know,

1:03:54SPEAKERdo you have any movies that you've watched so many times,

1:03:56SPEAKERyou kind of don't have to watch them anymore

1:03:57SPEAKERand you can just see them?

1:03:58SPEAKER- Totally.

1:03:59SPEAKER- It's like that, like I remember the jokes.

1:04:02SPEAKERThe funny thing is that some things land differently now,

1:04:04SPEAKER'cause I definitely haven't read it since I had a kid,

1:04:07SPEAKERand really probably haven't read it

1:04:08SPEAKERsince I was like a working adult.

1:04:10SPEAKERI probably, the last time I read it

1:04:11SPEAKERwas when I was at Maximum PC, so yeah,

1:04:14SPEAKERit's been interesting, but we're gonna be doing that

1:04:17SPEAKERnext week or the week after,

1:04:19SPEAKERand I think, I mean, I think that's it,

1:04:23SPEAKERbut this is the, we hit a thousand patrons.

1:04:25SPEAKERWe're already at 1100 patrons now,

1:04:27SPEAKER'cause a lot of people like The Hitchhiker's Guide,

1:04:29SPEAKERso we have to come up with a 2000-patron stretch goal now,

1:04:31SPEAKERI guess.

1:04:32SPEAKER- You did name another book.

1:04:33SPEAKERI don't know if we're ready to go down that road yet or not.

1:04:35SPEAKER- I think we should talk,

1:04:36SPEAKERI think we need to have a conversation first,

1:04:39SPEAKER'cause it's a lot.

1:04:40SPEAKER- Yes.

1:04:41SPEAKER- But this is the part where we think our patrons,

1:04:44SPEAKERyou know, if you wanna get access to the TechPod Discord,

1:04:46SPEAKERwhere a thousand beautiful, brilliant people

1:04:50SPEAKERshare the stuff that they're interested in,

1:04:52SPEAKERand talk to each other on the day-to-day,

1:04:55SPEAKERit is a fabulous, fabulous community.

1:04:57SPEAKERI'm like, we both had the benefit of being part

1:05:01SPEAKERof a lot of communities that are amazing,

1:05:04SPEAKERbut this one's special.

1:05:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I feel enriched every day I look at that server.

1:05:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:09SPEAKER- The other day in the Coding Channel,

1:05:10SPEAKERthey had a long conversation

1:05:11SPEAKERabout pseudo-random number generators in games,

1:05:14SPEAKERand they were literally linking off to specific files

1:05:18SPEAKERfrom the Doom source code,

1:05:19SPEAKERand mocking the ridiculously poor random number generator

1:05:24SPEAKERthat Carmack came up with.

1:05:25SPEAKER- What did they use random number generators for in Doom?

1:05:28SPEAKER- I think it was, it may have been multiple things, I think.

1:05:31SPEAKERI think the only example I saw was it might affect

1:05:33SPEAKERhow the BFG behaves as the projectile travels

1:05:36SPEAKERor something like that.

1:05:37SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

1:05:39SPEAKER- But if I read correctly,

1:05:41SPEAKERhe just defined like a variable with like 256 values

1:05:44SPEAKERfrom one to 256, and it just cycled through them

1:05:46SPEAKERor something like that.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Jesus.

1:05:48SPEAKER- It was like a very poor, anyway.

1:05:51SPEAKER- Did they talk about Perlin noise?

1:05:52SPEAKERDid that come out?

1:05:53SPEAKER- The term didn't come up,

1:05:54SPEAKERbut they did mention like sampling entropy off of like

1:05:56SPEAKERbuffers and other like hardware elements

1:05:58SPEAKERthat might be able to pull some like decent randomness

1:06:00SPEAKERoff of, like completely fascinating stuff.

1:06:03SPEAKER- One of my favorite ones is that you can use

1:06:05SPEAKERthe shitty nature of the quartz clock on most computers

1:06:09SPEAKERto generate some randomness,

1:06:10SPEAKER'cause they bounce around constantly.

1:06:12SPEAKER- That's not bad.

1:06:14SPEAKER- Anyway, but yeah, if you wanna join that,

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1:06:22SPEAKERWe do a monthly patron exclusive episode.

1:06:26SPEAKERLast month we talked about projects that we were working on.

1:06:28SPEAKERIt was stuff like Home Assistant

1:06:30SPEAKERand all of the weird, weird, weird, you know,

1:06:33SPEAKERall the stuff that we do in our free time.

1:06:38SPEAKERAnd this is the episode where we thank all of our

1:06:40SPEAKERexecutive and associate producer level patrons.

1:06:42SPEAKERSo shout outs to our executive producer patrons,

1:06:46SPEAKERAndrew Cotton, David Allen, and Jacob Chappell.

1:06:48SPEAKERThank you all so much.

1:06:50SPEAKERAnd as well, our associate producer level patrons,

1:06:54SPEAKERArthur Geese, Dan Brockman, Dave Ullian, Graham Banks,

1:07:00SPEAKERJad Rita, Sam Buck, Terry Cox, and the Bunny Fiend.

1:07:04SPEAKER- Oh, the Bunny Fiend.

1:07:05SPEAKER- And Thomas Shay.

1:07:06SPEAKER- Cannot forget. - Shout out

1:07:07SPEAKERto the Bunny Fiend, yeah.

1:07:07SPEAKER- Cannot forget the Bunny Fiend.

1:07:09SPEAKER- No, never.

1:07:09SPEAKERLook, you never put the Bunny Fiend in a corner, Brad.

1:07:11SPEAKERThat's important.

1:07:12SPEAKER- I mean, they're a fiend.

1:07:14SPEAKER- I did not know.

1:07:15SPEAKER- You don't want to anger someone who is a fiend.

1:07:17SPEAKER- I mean, for bunnies though,

1:07:19SPEAKERbut like are they made of real bunnies

1:07:20SPEAKERor are they fiending them?

1:07:21SPEAKERI don't actually, I don't want to know.

1:07:23SPEAKERI'm good.

1:07:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just, yeah.

1:07:24SPEAKERYes, thank you.

1:07:25SPEAKERThank you so much, everyone.

1:07:27SPEAKER- And thanks to everybody who supports the Patreon

1:07:30SPEAKERand the Tech Pod.

1:07:31SPEAKERWe really appreciate it.

1:07:32SPEAKERAnd yeah, I guess that's it for us this week.

1:07:35SPEAKERSo read Hitchhiker's, we're going to talk about that.

1:07:38SPEAKERAnd then, I don't know, if you have ideas

1:07:41SPEAKERfor things you would like to see us talk about

1:07:43SPEAKERor do after we hit 2000 patrons,

1:07:47SPEAKERI guess post in the Discord, send us a Twitter message.

1:07:50SPEAKER- Or even without a patron goal attached to it,

1:07:52SPEAKERjust like on Twitter or email,

1:07:53SPEAKERor if you're on the Discord there, anywhere's fine.

1:07:56SPEAKERBut yeah, like topic suggestions are always welcome

1:07:58SPEAKERbecause there's tons of stuff out there

1:08:00SPEAKERthat we probably haven't thought of.

1:08:02SPEAKERAnd that would be super helpful to know what people.

1:08:04SPEAKER- Topic idea, oh, the last thing is,

1:08:07SPEAKERpeople had asked about annual, like signing up for a year

1:08:10SPEAKERrather than having to do the month to month.

1:08:11SPEAKERAnd we got the ability to flip that on

1:08:15SPEAKERsince the last time we did an email episode.

1:08:17SPEAKERSo you can sign up for a year

1:08:20SPEAKERat whatever level you would like

1:08:21SPEAKERand just pay it all at once at a little bit of a discount.

1:08:24SPEAKERAnd I think it's 5% off.

1:08:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:26SPEAKER- So yeah.

1:08:27SPEAKER- Cool.

1:08:28SPEAKER- Thank you all so much.

1:08:29SPEAKER- Yeah, thanks everybody.

1:08:29SPEAKER- Have a good week, Brad.

1:08:30SPEAKERI'll talk to you next week, man.

1:08:32SPEAKER(upbeat music)