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321: How to Charge Your Knife

2026-01-11 · 1:09:09

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, let me ask you a question, Brad.

00:02SPEAKER- Ask away?

00:03SPEAKER- Am I being unkind by having my daughter

00:08SPEAKERin this 20, 25, 20 years after it came out

00:11SPEAKERplay Shadow of the Colossus?

00:13SPEAKER- That's a big question.

00:15SPEAKERThe question I am uniquely unqualified to answer.

00:18SPEAKER- Well, you've played Shadow of the Colossus.

00:19SPEAKER- I certainly have.

00:20SPEAKERI reviewed it, as a matter of fact.

00:22SPEAKER- You had emotional feelings

00:23SPEAKERas a result of playing that game, I'm assuming.

00:26SPEAKER- And then had another incident

00:27SPEAKERwith that game many years later.

00:28SPEAKER- What was the other incident?

00:30SPEAKER- Let's not talk about it.

00:31SPEAKER- Oh, okay, okay.

00:33SPEAKER- A quick look snafu, let's say.

00:35SPEAKER- Oh.

00:36SPEAKER- Let's say I maybe went in blind

00:37SPEAKERand forgot a core mechanic for most of the video.

00:41SPEAKER- Oh, oh no.

00:43SPEAKER- It was, finally the story can be told.

00:48SPEAKERIt was one of those, hey, we're going to PAX.

00:51SPEAKERWe just need extra content to go up over the break.

00:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:54SPEAKER- What do you got?

00:55SPEAKEREverybody find shit to quick look as fast as possible.

00:57SPEAKEROh, I've got a preview build of this on my desk.

00:59SPEAKERIs the video embargo up?

01:01SPEAKERYeah, it will be.

01:02SPEAKERLet's throw that in and play it.

01:04SPEAKERIt was just an overly rushed production of--

01:06SPEAKER- For the remaster?

01:07SPEAKER- No, no, this was, ah, I don't remember what--

01:10SPEAKER- It came out in 2018.

01:11SPEAKER- Situation, no, 'cause it was way before that.

01:13SPEAKERI'd have to go look, actually.

01:15SPEAKER- Did they re-release it for PS3 or something?

01:17SPEAKER- Ah, I'd have to look, maybe.

01:19SPEAKER- There was a collection, I think.

01:21SPEAKER- Maybe that's what it was.

01:21SPEAKER- It was like an eco in Shadow of the Colossus collection.

01:24SPEAKER- I think that might be what it was.

01:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

01:26SPEAKER- That might be what it was.

01:27SPEAKER- It was around the time The Last Guardian came out,

01:28SPEAKERif I remember right.

01:29SPEAKER- It was one of those things of just,

01:30SPEAKERah, we just need to produce some video,

01:31SPEAKERand I have not prepped for this at all.

01:33SPEAKERLet's just throw it in there.

01:34SPEAKEROh crap, boy, I flubbed that one badly.

01:37SPEAKEROh well, we don't have time to re-record it.

01:39SPEAKER- Well, so it's funny,

01:40SPEAKERit's funny because watching somebody who's grown up

01:43SPEAKERplaying a mixture of really, really old games,

01:46SPEAKERlike '80s and '90s games, and then also modern stuff,

01:49SPEAKERlike Peek and Breath of the Wild,

01:52SPEAKERwhen she was presented with that first,

01:54SPEAKERhey, here's where you learn to climb section,

01:57SPEAKERutterly flummoxed her.

01:58SPEAKER- Really?

01:59SPEAKERAre you climbing on a beast at that point,

02:00SPEAKERor is it like a cliff or something?

02:02SPEAKER- They make you climb up to a beast to get to the,

02:04SPEAKERclimb up a wall to get to the first thing,

02:06SPEAKERand she was just going at the rocks,

02:07SPEAKERlike you could climb the rocks.

02:08SPEAKERI was like, I don't think you can climb the rocks.

02:11SPEAKER- Saying she also forgot about the stamina mechanic?

02:13SPEAKER- Well, I don't know if she forgot

02:15SPEAKERabout the stamina mechanic,

02:16SPEAKERbut I explained the stamina mechanic to her.

02:18SPEAKERBut the thing is, she saw the big giant colossus,

02:21SPEAKERand her first instinct was,

02:23SPEAKERwell, it's a video game, time to get blasting,

02:25SPEAKERand started whaling it with arrows.

02:28SPEAKERAnd the health bar was going down a little bit,

02:30SPEAKERand I was like, I don't,

02:31SPEAKERlike, this is not gonna be a fun experience

02:33SPEAKERif you sit here and spend two hours

02:37SPEAKERbombing this thing with arrows.

02:38SPEAKER- Does the game not lead you at all to climbing

02:41SPEAKERand doing the actual thing?

02:42SPEAKER- It says over and over again,

02:44SPEAKERhey, you might consider climbing up on this.

02:47SPEAKERBut like, you know, the early 2000s were a gentler time,

02:51SPEAKERa kinder time, perhaps,

02:53SPEAKERand there was no yellow paint on that colossus.

02:56SPEAKER- No, in fact, actually,

02:57SPEAKERthere was no yellow paint in the world.

02:58SPEAKERThe yellow paint was white paint back then.

03:00SPEAKERAnd the ledges were, like, when you failed,

03:04SPEAKERinstead of giving you a different message

03:06SPEAKERthat, like, hinted and implied

03:08SPEAKERthat you should try something else,

03:10SPEAKERit just gives you the same message

03:11SPEAKERover and over and over again.

03:12SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds like some late PS2 era tutorializing.

03:15SPEAKERYou know, I don't mind yellow paint in concepts.

03:17SPEAKERI have no problem with it when it's there

03:19SPEAKERand it's yellow paint.

03:20SPEAKERI do admire when they come up

03:21SPEAKERwith something more diegetic for it, though.

03:24SPEAKERLike, I'm trying to think,

03:25SPEAKERwas it Dishonored or some game

03:27SPEAKERI was seeing people posting screenshots of

03:29SPEAKERwhere it's like, oh, no, this was a valid, I think.

03:31SPEAKERA valid uses ropes.

03:32SPEAKER- Yeah, valid has ropes, like, dangly ropes everywhere.

03:35SPEAKER- Instead of, again, you know, yellow paint's fine.

03:36SPEAKERIt's just a little arbitrary.

03:37SPEAKERBut, you know, to make it some, like, in-world object

03:40SPEAKERis a nice, elegant way to kind of hide it

03:42SPEAKERbut still make it what it is.

03:43SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you, we had, on the anacrusis,

03:46SPEAKERwe had one corridor that was, like,

03:48SPEAKERa section at the end of one of the episodes

03:52SPEAKERthat was just a really long corridor

03:54SPEAKERand, like, the whole level, basically,

03:56SPEAKERyou snake in and out of this really long corridor, right?

03:58SPEAKERSo you're starting at one end

03:59SPEAKERand you're going to the other end.

04:01SPEAKERAnd when we were playtesting it,

04:04SPEAKERthe number of times people would come out of a door

04:06SPEAKERand they'd turn left instead of right

04:07SPEAKERor right instead of left was,

04:10SPEAKERit's like a 50/50 chance every time.

04:11SPEAKERAnd it got to the point that the poor environment artists

04:14SPEAKERwere, like, had giant 15-foot arrows that were animated

04:18SPEAKERand moving in the right direction

04:20SPEAKERand pointing in the right direction.

04:22SPEAKERWe did smoke on the bad end and light on the good end

04:25SPEAKERand more light on the good end and dark, dark on the bad end

04:29SPEAKERand, like, players are real stupid, man.

04:31SPEAKERPlayers, and just to be clear, this is our fault, right?

04:34SPEAKERBut players, you cannot spell it out.

04:37SPEAKERI'm never gonna fault anybody for using yellow paint.

04:39SPEAKERYellow paint, vital.

04:40SPEAKER- You know, Double Dragon figured this out 35 years ago.

04:45SPEAKERPop up a big flashing cartoon pointing hand in their face.

04:48SPEAKER- Yeah, you can't overdo it.

04:51SPEAKER- Can't miss that.

04:52SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:10SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

05:20SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

05:22SPEAKERI'm Will.

05:23SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

05:24SPEAKERIt's 2020, God, I almost said 2025.

05:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:27SPEAKER- It's 2026.

05:28SPEAKER- This is our second episode of 2026, I guess?

05:31SPEAKER- Yes, technically, yes.

05:33SPEAKERBut the last one we recorded so long ago that-

05:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I've forgotten what your voice sounded like,

05:37SPEAKERhonestly.

05:38SPEAKER- What even is doing this podcast?

05:41SPEAKER- I'm glad people seem to enjoy

05:43SPEAKERthe ranking of startup sounds.

05:45SPEAKERWe missed a couple which we'll-

05:46SPEAKER- Yes.

05:47SPEAKER- May or may not address at some point in the future.

05:49SPEAKER- I plan to self-flagellate this weekend

05:52SPEAKERover the Neo Geo startup sound.

05:53SPEAKER- I did not have any access to Neo Geo stuff

05:56SPEAKERand I did not know that it had a startup sound,

05:57SPEAKERso I couldn't listen to that.

05:59SPEAKER- And you got it in the arcade even,

06:00SPEAKER'cause the arcade's the only place I ever played a Neo Geo,

06:02SPEAKERbut even there, you heard it and it's,

06:05SPEAKERthat's a, it might be S tier.

06:07SPEAKER- That's our bad.

06:08SPEAKERYeah, it's our bad.

06:09SPEAKER- But this week, this is the first real week of 2026,

06:14SPEAKERis also the week that tech journalists and companies

06:18SPEAKERand nerds and seemingly AI people

06:22SPEAKERand also Lego descend upon Las Vegas

06:25SPEAKERfor the Consumer Electronics Show.

06:28SPEAKERAnd while many of these shows in different categories

06:31SPEAKERhave waxed and waned over the years,

06:34SPEAKERCES seems unstoppable.

06:36SPEAKER- I don't wanna start the show with a showstopper,

06:38SPEAKERsince you mentioned AI.

06:40SPEAKERWe have maybe our first example of a very major company

06:43SPEAKERin here kind of poo-pooing AI in a fashion.

06:46SPEAKER- Are you talking about Dell talking to PC Gamer before CES

06:49SPEAKERand saying, "Hey man, people don't buy computers

06:51SPEAKER"because of AI."

06:53SPEAKER- I sure am.

06:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:54SPEAKER- I sure am.

06:55SPEAKERYou know, that seems like a sign.

06:57SPEAKER- Well, look, on one hand you have Dell saying that,

06:59SPEAKERon the other hand, you have Satya Nadella

07:00SPEAKERcoming out with a blog post the week after Christmas

07:02SPEAKERthat said, "Hey man, when you call AI slop,

07:04SPEAKER"you're hurting everybody."

07:06SPEAKER(laughing)

07:08SPEAKER- I'm not even gonna respond to that.

07:10SPEAKER- I made a t-shirt that says Microsoft Slop

07:12SPEAKERin the Microsoft logo, and people seem to be enjoying that.

07:14SPEAKER- Oh man, can you also make the S in slop a dollar sign?

07:17SPEAKER- I, see, now, I literally thought about doing that

07:20SPEAKERwhen I was doing the design for it,

07:21SPEAKERand I was like, that's a step too far, it's too much.

07:23SPEAKER- Is it?

07:24SPEAKERYeah, you know, I guess it's kind of crossing the streams,

07:25SPEAKERright, that's like, that's very mid to late 90s era.

07:30SPEAKER- That's classic Microsoft hate.

07:32SPEAKERThis is modern Microsoft hate.

07:34SPEAKER- Yeah, every generation needs its own hate

07:35SPEAKERof Microsoft, right?

07:36SPEAKER- Yeah, we all, for different reasons,

07:39SPEAKERdid you see my shirt?

07:40SPEAKERI know you're not on the internets as much these days.

07:43SPEAKER- I did not.

07:44SPEAKER- I will put a link for it in the Discord so you can see.

07:46SPEAKERI had to learn how to use Inkscape to do vector editing

07:50SPEAKERto make it look right.

07:51SPEAKER- Wait, can people actually buy this shirt?

07:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I posted it as a share,

07:55SPEAKERand then some people asked if I would post it

07:56SPEAKERso they could actually, 'cause I, like,

07:58SPEAKERI printed it 'cause I wanted to make one for myself,

08:00SPEAKERand then I shared it with a couple people like,

08:02SPEAKER"Hey, will you post this?"

08:03SPEAKERAnd then next thing I know,

08:03SPEAKERI've sold, like, kind of a lot of 'em.

08:05SPEAKER- Wow.

08:06SPEAKER- Not like a life-changing a lot,

08:07SPEAKERbut, you know, a couple bucks a pop.

08:09SPEAKER- That seems like a good facsimile of the Microsoft font,

08:12SPEAKERthe current Microsoft font, though.

08:13SPEAKER- Yeah, the current one.

08:14SPEAKERI looked at, I'll be honest,

08:16SPEAKERI started out with the '80s one with all the angles.

08:19SPEAKER- Yes, is that the one with the little notch cut out

08:21SPEAKERof one of the letters?

08:22SPEAKER- That's the late, that's the '90s one.

08:24SPEAKER- That's the '90s one.

08:25SPEAKER- The '80s one is like the,

08:26SPEAKERit looks like a trapezoid kind of.

08:29SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's much more, I don't, oh, wait,

08:33SPEAKERthe one that looks like a heavy metal band logo?

08:35SPEAKER- Kind of, yeah, that's a good way to describe it.

08:38SPEAKER- Wow, that extremely, it's like two steps away

08:41SPEAKERfrom like a Metallica logo or something.

08:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I couldn't get that one.

08:45SPEAKERI couldn't make that one work, unfortunately.

08:47SPEAKER- That's actually, I kinda like that logo.

08:50SPEAKERI shouldn't say that, but, oh, I mean,

08:52SPEAKERearly, early Microsoft at least made like real products

08:54SPEAKERthat people could use, like basic.

08:56SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a fine era of Microsoft.

08:58SPEAKERWe wouldn't have the PC we have today

09:00SPEAKERif it weren't for that era of Microsoft, probably.

09:02SPEAKER- We might have a better one though.

09:04SPEAKER- I mean, okay, yeah, that's true,

09:07SPEAKERbut sometimes you gotta roll with the punches you got.

09:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:12SPEAKER- Anyway.

09:13SPEAKER- I watched a talk, I shouldn't get into this.

09:14SPEAKERMaybe we'll save this for- - What's the talk?

09:15SPEAKER- I watched a talk over, I watched a lot of YouTube,

09:17SPEAKERas we discussed on the Patreon episode.

09:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:20SPEAKER- Really just ringing the all I can

09:22SPEAKERout of that YouTube premium.

09:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:25SPEAKER- I watched a whole ass talk by Brian Cantrell,

09:29SPEAKERwho was an old school son guy.

09:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I remember Brian.

09:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know him, but I remember hearing his name.

09:34SPEAKER- Yeah, one of the best speakers

09:36SPEAKERwho is like a hardcore computer guy I've ever seen.

09:40SPEAKERAnyway, we should talk about this some other time,

09:42SPEAKERbut he gets into, it's about the BIOS.

09:44SPEAKERHis talk is about the BIOS

09:46SPEAKERand what his current company is doing

09:47SPEAKERto effectively circumvent the BIOS/UEFI.

09:51SPEAKER- What?

09:52SPEAKER- Because he is a guy who comes from, again,

09:54SPEAKERfrom the Sun era where operating systems

09:56SPEAKERand hardware were married together.

09:59SPEAKERComputers were products top to bottom

10:01SPEAKERwhere the OS was made to support the hardware,

10:04SPEAKERnot an OS that was made independent of hardware,

10:07SPEAKERyou know, that could be run portably on whatever.

10:09SPEAKERAnd that's, they are trying to swing back in that direction

10:13SPEAKERwhere the OS is the only arbiter

10:15SPEAKERof what happens on the hardware.

10:17SPEAKER- I'm not sure about that one, Brad.

10:18SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's a philosophical thing

10:20SPEAKERthat you could certainly debate the pros and cons of.

10:22SPEAKERBut anyway, in that talk, he goes into a lot of history

10:25SPEAKERabout CPM and early Microsoft stuff

10:28SPEAKERand how the BIOS came about and the Compaq thing

10:31SPEAKERand all kinds of stuff.

10:33SPEAKERIt's a fascinating talk.

10:34SPEAKER- That sounds fascinating.

10:35SPEAKERI would watch that.

10:36SPEAKER- We'll get into that later.

10:37SPEAKER- Well, okay, so anyway, I, let's see,

10:39SPEAKERI hosted the talkovers for the CES keynotes

10:42SPEAKERon Monday for PC World.

10:43SPEAKERSo I watched Intel and Nvidia part two

10:46SPEAKERand AMD's two-hour death march.

10:49SPEAKERAnd then, mm-hmm.

10:52SPEAKER- Yeah, so yikes, I said.

10:54SPEAKER- Look, we'll talk about it.

10:56SPEAKER- Who had the death march, AMD?

10:57SPEAKER- AMD was the intro keynote for CES

11:00SPEAKERand there are some requirements for things

11:02SPEAKERthat they have to bring in partners

11:04SPEAKERfrom every aspect of the show.

11:06SPEAKERAnd that includes like healthcare and all sort of,

11:07SPEAKERbut it was just, they said the letter,

11:10SPEAKERthey said the word AI 207 times by my account.

11:13SPEAKER- Did you have a clicker?

11:14SPEAKER- I did.

11:15SPEAKER- Nice.

11:16SPEAKER- I put a, I stopped my pedal every time

11:19SPEAKERthat Dr. Lisa Sue said AI.

11:21SPEAKER- Great.

11:21SPEAKER- And the number went up on the screen

11:23SPEAKERbecause of the little Linux script I wrote.

11:24SPEAKER- Of those three, was there anything

11:26SPEAKERactually consumer-facing at all?

11:29SPEAKER- So the gen, so okay, Intel announced Panther Lake,

11:33SPEAKERwhich is shipping soon.

11:35SPEAKER- That matters to real, regular people.

11:37SPEAKER- Yeah, the big takeaways, they didn't really get

11:39SPEAKERinto the hardware a whole lot.

11:42SPEAKERNobody, they didn't have any like demo,

11:43SPEAKERthey didn't have like partner hardware on the stage.

11:46SPEAKERIt was a relatively short talk.

11:49SPEAKERBut they had, they announced a handheld

11:51SPEAKERgame console initiative, all out of the stream deck,

11:55SPEAKERsorry, steam deck and the AMD X2 chips designed

12:04SPEAKERfor handheld games, handheld PC consoles.

12:07SPEAKER- Yeah, we should remind people Panther Lake

12:09SPEAKERis the first part on 18A, their new fab process,

12:13SPEAKERtheir first like new super-efficient TSMC competitor,

12:17SPEAKERsupposedly.

12:18SPEAKER- It's a competitor with TSMC's four nanometer processes

12:21SPEAKERand beyond, so.

12:22SPEAKER- And it's laptop only, this is not relevant to desktop,

12:25SPEAKERalthough presumably Nova Lake, the next desktop part

12:28SPEAKERwill descend from this in some fashion.

12:30SPEAKER- I think it's laptop only asterisk in the same way

12:32SPEAKERthat like Strix Halo is laptop only.

12:35SPEAKERUnlike, so the thing about this is that it scales

12:37SPEAKERacross a wide variety of product skews.

12:40SPEAKERWe talked about it a little bit when Adam was on the show

12:42SPEAKERearlier last year, but they have, you know,

12:45SPEAKERit's a system of chips is what they're calling an SOC now

12:48SPEAKERand it's like a core low power IO chip,

12:51SPEAKERsome big high power compute cores

12:53SPEAKERand then a variable speed GPU core that uses,

12:57SPEAKERI think they're calling it a third generation,

12:59SPEAKERbut it's actually technically a second,

13:02SPEAKERit's a Battlemage core GPU with up to 12 GPU cores,

13:08SPEAKERwhich is a lot for mobile.

13:10SPEAKERAnd that puts it when paired with a giant pool of memory,

13:14SPEAKERputs it in the kind of Strix Halo category

13:16SPEAKERis what they're saying.

13:17SPEAKERThe kind of early benchmarks that people ran on the floor,

13:20SPEAKER'cause they were letting people do that,

13:21SPEAKERlook really promising,

13:23SPEAKERespecially for that 12 core GPU part remains to be seen,

13:29SPEAKERlike what, how much availability they're gonna have

13:31SPEAKERwhen that stuff's gonna ship.

13:32SPEAKER'Cause I think that that's not one of the first parts

13:34SPEAKERof the shipping, but that part was all really unclear.

13:38SPEAKER- That's cool.

13:38SPEAKERI mean, that seems like maybe a big deal.

13:41SPEAKERLike obviously handhelds are getting huge.

13:45SPEAKERIt would be pretty interesting if Intel became a player

13:47SPEAKERin that space successfully.

13:49SPEAKER- Yeah, one of the things that's interesting

13:51SPEAKERabout the Intel one versus the Ryzen,

13:52SPEAKER'cause Ryzen has been doing disaggregated chip designs

13:56SPEAKERfor a while now with AMD has.

13:58SPEAKERAnd the interesting thing is that most of their compute

14:01SPEAKERis on one chiplet inside that package.

14:04SPEAKERSo they don't theoretically have the stuttering

14:07SPEAKERand the kind of scheduling problems that the Ryzens have,

14:11SPEAKERespecially the dual CCD Ryzens have

14:13SPEAKERwhen you're trying to move threads

14:15SPEAKERfrom one part of the package,

14:18SPEAKERfrom one chiplet to another chiplet

14:19SPEAKERbasically inside the package.

14:20SPEAKERSo anyway, TBD, we'll get hardware there soon

14:23SPEAKERand have benchmarks and we'll talk about that

14:25SPEAKERover at PC World, I'm sure.

14:27SPEAKERBut yeah, so the Intel thing was interesting.

14:30SPEAKERIt was pretty fast.

14:30SPEAKERThey set AI, I think 50 times, 47 times by my count.

14:34SPEAKER- That's pretty low, lower than the other guys.

14:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a shorter keynote,

14:38SPEAKERbut they were on the same pace basically, AMD and Intel.

14:41SPEAKER- So not, sorry to keep preventing you from moving on.

14:44SPEAKERNo news about Aero Lake refresh, huh?

14:46SPEAKERI wonder if that's even still happening or not.

14:48SPEAKER- No news about Aero Lake refresh.

14:50SPEAKERNo news about Nova Lake, which has the desktop 18A part.

14:54SPEAKER- Yeah, Nova Lake is the actual next desktop part,

14:56SPEAKERbut there were rumors last fall

14:58SPEAKERthat they were gonna do another round

14:59SPEAKERof Aero Lake this spring.

15:02SPEAKERLike modest bump to whatever core clocks

15:06SPEAKERand who knows what else,

15:06SPEAKERbut I wonder if that's even still happening or not.

15:09SPEAKER- We'll talk about that in a little bit.

15:12SPEAKERThe weird thing I've been hearing rumor wise

15:14SPEAKERfrom a bunch of people is that we might see older DDR4 parts

15:18SPEAKERmake a resurgence because of the rise of memory,

15:24SPEAKERDDR5 prices in the last two months, three months.

15:26SPEAKER- There are people posting shots of DDR4 memory

15:29SPEAKERon our Discord now.

15:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:31SPEAKER- 'Cause that's what they're buying.

15:32SPEAKER'Cause that's what there is.

15:34SPEAKER- We'll talk about it in a minute.

15:35SPEAKERAMD, so AMD had the main key.

15:37SPEAKERSo Nvidia, Jensen also did an Nvidia keynote

15:40SPEAKERthat was the typical, hey, we're gonna talk about AI a bunch

15:43SPEAKERand get the stock price to go up.

15:46SPEAKERThey had some robots and stuff there.

15:47SPEAKERThey had some other, like they said the self-driving,

15:49SPEAKERthey have a self-driving car partnership with the Mercedes

15:52SPEAKERwhere they have instrumented cars,

15:54SPEAKERlike the Waymos and the Zooxes and all that

15:56SPEAKERdriving around downtown San Francisco right now.

15:58SPEAKER- Wait, does that mean Nvidia is doing the AV part

16:01SPEAKERthemselves, the autonomy?

16:03SPEAKERLike are they devising their own self-driving algorithms

16:06SPEAKERor stack?

16:07SPEAKER- I don't know.

16:07SPEAKERI don't know what the division of labor is on that.

16:09SPEAKERAll I know is that when you look at it,

16:11SPEAKERthere's a big giant disclaimer on the side.

16:12SPEAKERI took a photo of it.

16:13SPEAKERIt was so weird.

16:14SPEAKERI'll send it to you.

16:15SPEAKERYou can be show art.

16:16SPEAKERBut it literally says this is a partnership

16:18SPEAKERbetween Mercedes-Benz and Nvidia

16:21SPEAKERfor a self-driving car prospect.

16:23SPEAKERAnd by standing in the street,

16:25SPEAKERyou're consenting to have your photo taken.

16:27SPEAKERIf you don't want that, you can email this address

16:29SPEAKERand they'll take your photos out of the pool.

16:32SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

16:33SPEAKER- Anyway.

16:34SPEAKER- It's really interesting how Nvidia is just becoming

16:36SPEAKERsuch a household word because it's so valuable.

16:38SPEAKER- Because it's an enormous company, yeah.

16:40SPEAKER- Like people who had no reason to know

16:42SPEAKERwhat Nvidia was five years ago in my life,

16:44SPEAKERjust randomly mention it now.

16:46SPEAKERLet me tell you, the people who watch CES live streams

16:52SPEAKERare very enthusiastic about Nvidia remembering their roots.

16:57SPEAKER- I can see it.

16:58SPEAKERI would be too. - And supporting

16:58SPEAKERthe gaming market.

16:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I would be too.

17:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:01SPEAKERSo Jensen did that keynote actually before the Intel one.

17:05SPEAKERWe skipped that 'cause it was,

17:06SPEAKERthose are usually a death march for consumer hardware

17:09SPEAKERand not particularly worth watching.

17:11SPEAKERBut they did a Nintendo Direct style stream

17:16SPEAKERthat was prerecorded later that night,

17:19SPEAKERI'll talk about in a sec.

17:20SPEAKER- That's smart actually, just from a kind of audience

17:23SPEAKERor gamer relations standpoint, let's say,

17:26SPEAKERlike it was smarter than to just break that out

17:27SPEAKERand put it somewhere else.

17:28SPEAKER- It's a huge win because they got a lot of attention

17:31SPEAKERon that and it's a thing that they've been doing

17:33SPEAKERfor a little bit and I don't think a lot of people

17:34SPEAKERknow about.

17:35SPEAKERAnd it was 30 minutes, it was dense with stuff

17:41SPEAKERthat I was actually interested in.

17:42SPEAKERThey showed off footage from a handful of new games

17:44SPEAKERthat are part of the GeForce experience program or whatever.

17:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw some of that Resident Evil 9

17:50SPEAKERfootage going around.

17:51SPEAKER- It was Resident Evil 9.

17:52SPEAKERThey showed the IO Interactive James Bond game

17:55SPEAKERmore than I'd seen anywhere else, I think,

17:58SPEAKERand a couple other things, some stuff out of China

18:00SPEAKERthat looked cool.

18:01SPEAKERAnd then the other, well, we'll talk about it,

18:05SPEAKERlet's just go and do it.

18:06SPEAKERThey also announced the G-Sync Pulsar stuff,

18:08SPEAKERwhich we've heard rumors about for a while.

18:10SPEAKERIt's basically black frame insertion G-Sync

18:13SPEAKERis a kind of an oversimplification.

18:16SPEAKERBut the idea is that instead of having the glow decay

18:21SPEAKERover time, you flash the correct image on

18:25SPEAKERfor the time that it's correct and then flash off,

18:28SPEAKERlike actively turn that off and then flash on.

18:31SPEAKERThey've been working on it for a long time.

18:32SPEAKERThey weren't able to get it to work without flicker

18:34SPEAKERuntil they got above a certain refresh rate, it seems like.

18:38SPEAKERAnd it seems like they're targeting 60 to 70 frames

18:42SPEAKERper second for the insertion,

18:44SPEAKERfor the minimum insertion frame rate,

18:46SPEAKER'cause they need to have some time in between the frames

18:49SPEAKERfor it to go.

18:51SPEAKER- We should say black frame insertion is one method

18:54SPEAKERof reducing motion blur on modern displays,

18:56SPEAKERlike OLEDs in particular.

18:58SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think these initial wave of panels

19:01SPEAKERaren't OLEDs, I think they're IPS panels.

19:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm sure it works just as well with LCDs.

19:06SPEAKERI think like LG OLEDs were where that feature

19:08SPEAKERfirst started popping up, but I think it works

19:10SPEAKERon any kind of low persistence display.

19:13SPEAKER- It's really weird, oh, they're IPS panels, yeah.

19:15SPEAKERAnd they're launched with like three or four

19:18SPEAKERIPS 27-inch panels.

19:20SPEAKERI might guess is that they're all the same panel,

19:21SPEAKERall basically the same hardware, just with different trim.

19:24SPEAKERBut I don't know that for sure.

19:26SPEAKER- Sorry, really quick, I have to correct myself.

19:28SPEAKERLow persistence is the opposite of what you need

19:29SPEAKERfor this sort of thing.

19:31SPEAKER- Yeah, you want it to turn on and off quickly.

19:35SPEAKER- Okay, so the other thing that came out

19:36SPEAKERon the G-Sync front is that MediaTek,

19:39SPEAKERa company that makes a lot of monitor controllers,

19:41SPEAKERis now making G-Sync compatible controllers for monitors.

19:44SPEAKER- Interesting, okay, I think my TV has a MediaTek SoC

19:47SPEAKERin it, for example.

19:48SPEAKER- Exactly, it should open up G-Sync to a lot more monitors.

19:52SPEAKERThe interesting thing about the Pulsar thing

19:54SPEAKERis it seems like now there's like three tiers of G-Sync,

19:56SPEAKER'cause you had G-Sync before, and then you had

20:00SPEAKERG-Sync compatible with FreeSync monitors,

20:02SPEAKERand then you had just normal VRR,

20:03SPEAKERand now these Pulsar monitors are gonna be

20:05SPEAKERprobably above that, 'cause they require

20:07SPEAKERsome special panels, basically, to work,

20:09SPEAKERis my understanding.

20:10SPEAKER- Okay, do you know if, this might be getting

20:12SPEAKERin the weeds, technically, but is it the,

20:15SPEAKERare the frames just being inserted by the monitor itself?

20:18SPEAKERLike, does this require any intervention

20:20SPEAKERon the part of the game or the graphics card,

20:22SPEAKERor does this just work purely on the monitor?

20:25SPEAKER- So, they haven't released a white paper yet,

20:27SPEAKERI think it's coming.

20:29SPEAKERTypically, G-Sync stuff is a conversation

20:31SPEAKERbetween the monitor and the panel, and the card.

20:33SPEAKER- So, this might be newer graphics cards only,

20:35SPEAKERor something like that?

20:36SPEAKER- My guess is, typically the G-Sync stuff,

20:39SPEAKERthey'll, everything, like, everything is support,

20:42SPEAKERtypically that doesn't have a level of support.

20:45SPEAKERMy guess is, in order to use this,

20:46SPEAKERyou're gonna have a certain amount of performance,

20:48SPEAKERand that's probably gonna be your gate.

20:49SPEAKERSo, I don't know for sure.

20:50SPEAKER- Okay.

20:52SPEAKER- The other thing that they announced was,

20:55SPEAKERwell, G-Sync, they're putting brightness sensors,

20:58SPEAKERlight, ambient light sensors in monitors now,

21:01SPEAKERthe Pulsar monitors all have this,

21:03SPEAKERso that you get the same kind of dimming, and dim rooms,

21:06SPEAKERand brightening, and bright rooms,

21:07SPEAKERand matching the color temperature

21:09SPEAKERof your ambient light, potentially, even.

21:11SPEAKER- Like a very Apple-like feature

21:12SPEAKERto take to a gaming monitor, but okay.

21:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like, it's one of those things

21:16SPEAKERthat I was looking to say, I was like,

21:17SPEAKERoh, my phone and laptop have done this for a decade.

21:19SPEAKER- Right.

21:21SPEAKER- That's kind of nice, but yeah.

21:22SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's not a bad thing.

21:24SPEAKER- Like, ambient color temperature, I don't think I want,

21:26SPEAKERbut the ambient brightness sounds pretty good, actually.

21:28SPEAKEREspecially when you're talking about HDR monitors

21:30SPEAKERthat get kind of bright,

21:31SPEAKERthis is one of the other things that came out of CS,

21:33SPEAKERnot on the PC space, but on TVs,

21:36SPEAKERlike, a lot of companies are announcing

21:38SPEAKER4,500 NIT monitors now.

21:40SPEAKER- Wow.

21:41SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's a lot.

21:42SPEAKER- Extreme high-end, but still.

21:44SPEAKER- Dude, what the, my TV is somewhere

21:45SPEAKERbetween like 1,500 and 2,000, and I can't,

21:48SPEAKERI almost can't look at it at the max brightness,

21:50SPEAKERand that's not even half of what you're talking about.

21:52SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's coming.

21:54SPEAKERLet's see, GeForce Now for Linux,

21:56SPEAKERthey've announced, they released a Steam Deck client

22:00SPEAKERa few months ago,

22:01SPEAKERand now they're doing just a generic Linux client

22:04SPEAKERthat will work with, it's launching on Ubuntu,

22:08SPEAKERwill come to other distros as they expand the beta.

22:12SPEAKER- Is there an advantage to the standalone client?

22:14SPEAKERI would think that stuff

22:15SPEAKERwould all just be web-based these days,

22:17SPEAKERbut, I mean, I guess you could build better,

22:19SPEAKERI don't know, hardware acceleration support

22:20SPEAKERinto a client than a browser can do, et cetera.

22:23SPEAKER- Yeah, so you get better hardware acceleration,

22:24SPEAKERyou get support for more controller types.

22:26SPEAKEROne of the things they're talking about

22:27SPEAKERis adding support for HOTASs and stuff like that.

22:30SPEAKERI assume wheels will probably come after that.

22:33SPEAKER- Is it interesting?

22:34SPEAKERI mean, you live in the Linux world

22:35SPEAKERmore than I do these days,

22:36SPEAKERto see software that is distro-specifically compatible,

22:40SPEAKERis that common?

22:41SPEAKER- That's pretty normal, yeah.

22:42SPEAKERIf you look at Discord and Slack and stuff like, and Notion,

22:46SPEAKERthey all ship Ubuntu packages,

22:51SPEAKERand then what people do is they unpack those

22:53SPEAKERand repackage them for distro in the AUR or whatever.

22:57SPEAKER- Yep, of course.

22:59SPEAKER- So yeah, that's it for that.

23:01SPEAKERThen the AMD keynote was two hours long.

23:04SPEAKERThe only thing of interest there,

23:06SPEAKERthey released and announced the 9850 X3D,

23:09SPEAKERwhich is a 7% speed bump on the 9800 X3D.

23:14SPEAKERThat's the eight-core single CCD

23:17SPEAKERwith huge v-cache Ryzen chip.

23:22SPEAKERThey didn't talk about that at the keynote at all.

23:25SPEAKERIt was literally two hours of hell with,

23:29SPEAKERthey did announce a Strix Halo, the Ryzen AI Halo box,

23:33SPEAKERwhich is like a Mac Studio size kind of box,

23:36SPEAKERlike a two and a half liter maybe thing

23:38SPEAKERthat has a Strix Halo, the new Strix Halo bump in it.

23:45SPEAKERThat's like a little,

23:46SPEAKERthey called it an AI compute box basically, but.

23:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw that thing

23:49SPEAKERand I thought it looked pretty interesting

23:51SPEAKERuntil I clicked through and realized it

23:53SPEAKERis basically for AI development is how they're

23:55SPEAKERpositioning it, I think.

23:56SPEAKER- Yes, so one of the things that's happened

23:58SPEAKERover the last year and the reason Strix Halo is interesting

24:01SPEAKERis what is typically a detriment for these,

24:05SPEAKERfor like small form factor and integrated graphics machines,

24:08SPEAKERwhich is that they have to use slow-ass DDR5 system memory

24:13SPEAKERis actually a real bonus for AI

24:15SPEAKER'cause it means you can run 128 gigabytes

24:18SPEAKERof slow-ass DDR5 memory,

24:20SPEAKERwhich lets you load a greater than 32 gigabyte model

24:23SPEAKERinto RAM, which means it'll actually run and be functional.

24:27SPEAKERSo yeah, it's more AI bullshit, but.

24:31SPEAKER- When you say slow ass, are we talking like 4,800 MTs,

24:34SPEAKERlike kind of the JETIC DDR5?

24:37SPEAKER- No, no, no, I just mean slow compared to like GDDR7 VRAM.

24:41SPEAKER- On card, on card, faster, yes.

24:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so like if you're playing games

24:45SPEAKERand running an integrated GPU with slow DDR5 versus GDDR7,

24:53SPEAKERyou're getting much less fill rate

24:55SPEAKERand much less memory bandwidth,

24:57SPEAKERbut on AI workloads, that is much less important

25:00SPEAKERthan just having a whole shitload of RAM, so.

25:04SPEAKERSo that was pretty much it.

25:06SPEAKERLiterally the AMD, when they had people from OpenAI

25:09SPEAKERand they had a bunch of other AI model places,

25:11SPEAKERthey had a place that was doing 3D worlds

25:13SPEAKERthat looked like complete bullshit.

25:15SPEAKERThey had a place that was doing video generation

25:19SPEAKERthat looked like complete bullshit.

25:20SPEAKERThey had a place, they had some healthcare stuff.

25:23SPEAKERThe OpenAI guy came on and was like,

25:25SPEAKER"Hey, you know what people love to do is ask a chat GPT

25:29SPEAKERabout child rearing questions, baby questions."

25:31SPEAKERAnd I was like,

25:32SPEAKER"That sounds like a good way to end up in the hospital."

25:34SPEAKERSo don't do that. - It sure does, it sure does.

25:37SPEAKERThere may be less fragile things than your infant child

25:41SPEAKERjust to test out AI on.

25:43SPEAKER- The interesting thing was the comments on the chat,

25:47SPEAKERand this was on the PC World chat, not on the AMD chat,

25:49SPEAKERbut the comments on the PC World chat

25:51SPEAKERwere just overwhelmingly negative.

25:54SPEAKERI appreciate everybody who stuck through that with us

25:56SPEAKER'cause it was nice to have the company.

25:57SPEAKER- I was gonna say that sounds like a rough talk over.

26:00SPEAKER- It was, like if I understood,

26:03SPEAKERyou know when you hear those stories about wolves

26:05SPEAKERthat chew their own legs off to escape a trap?

26:08SPEAKERYeah, I understand that now.

26:10SPEAKER- Woof.

26:12SPEAKER- Okay, so let's get to something

26:13SPEAKERI'm super duper crazy excited about.

26:16SPEAKER- Okay, we like those.

26:19SPEAKER- The Lego Smart Bricks/Smart Play Initiative.

26:22SPEAKER- Smart Legos.

26:24SPEAKER- It's so fucking cool, dude.

26:26SPEAKERSo there are three components of this thing.

26:28SPEAKERThere's Smart Bricks,

26:29SPEAKERwhich is like a little two by four brick height,

26:32SPEAKERnormal ass brick with sensors and logic

26:38SPEAKERand like positional tracking for NFC

26:42SPEAKERor some sort of contactless sensor.

26:46SPEAKERRadios, speakers, lights, all that kind of stuff.

26:51SPEAKERThe top is transparent so you can see through it

26:53SPEAKERand lights can shine on the top in different configurations.

26:56SPEAKERAnd the next component are Smart Tags.

26:59SPEAKERAnd Smart Tags and Smart Mini Figs

27:01SPEAKERare the last two components.

27:03SPEAKERThey kind of sound like the same thing.

27:04SPEAKERThey're just trackable little guys

27:09SPEAKERthat the Smart Bricks can track

27:10SPEAKERand be aware of both their position in 3D space

27:13SPEAKERand proximity to other things and stuff like that.

27:16SPEAKERThose tags and the Mini Figs contain code

27:19SPEAKERthat determines what happens

27:21SPEAKERwhen they interact with other items.

27:23SPEAKERSo one of the things they showed

27:25SPEAKERwas a game where you had little cars

27:28SPEAKERand the person who got the car closest to a trophy

27:31SPEAKERthat had the Smart Brick in it won.

27:34SPEAKERAnd the device could like tell which,

27:38SPEAKERlike it would show the color of the car on the Smart Brick

27:42SPEAKERthat got closest to the trophy

27:43SPEAKERwhen you're rolling them from across the table,

27:44SPEAKERstuff like that.

27:47SPEAKERIt kind of looks like what they do

27:50SPEAKERwith those Super Mario Brothers games,

27:54SPEAKERthe Lego Super Mario Brothers games that they do.

27:56SPEAKERI think that mostly works through barcodes

27:58SPEAKERand stuff like that.

27:59SPEAKERBut it seems like they built an expansion of that concept

28:03SPEAKERthat's user programmable.

28:05SPEAKERAnd the upshot is because the bricks have compute

28:10SPEAKERand the tags are trackable

28:13SPEAKERand the bricks can talk to each other too.

28:14SPEAKERSo if you have one Smart Brick, it works with the tags,

28:17SPEAKERbut if you have multiple Smart Bricks,

28:18SPEAKERthey can talk to each other to the point that like

28:20SPEAKERone of the kits they showed was a Star Wars kit

28:23SPEAKERthat had an X-Wing and a TIE fighter in it.

28:25SPEAKERAnd like the kids were flying around

28:27SPEAKERwhen the TIE fighter aimed at the X-Wing,

28:28SPEAKERit would make pew pew pew noises and vice versa.

28:32SPEAKERAnd like some of this is a bummer

28:35SPEAKER'cause it's like taking out the play for the kids.

28:38SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, I can see that.

28:40SPEAKER- But the idea that you can write code,

28:42SPEAKERdump it on one of these tags with your phone

28:45SPEAKERand then hook that to a Lego build

28:49SPEAKERand make that Lego do something interesting

28:51SPEAKERwhen it's in the right proximity to other stuff

28:54SPEAKERor the Smart Bricks or whatever

28:56SPEAKERis really, really exciting to me about this.

28:59SPEAKER- I watched the, I'm surprised they didn't put out

29:01SPEAKERa presentation of this themselves.

29:03SPEAKERI mean, maybe that's not what CES is for,

29:05SPEAKERthe best one I could find,

29:06SPEAKERor the one you linked was the best one I saw,

29:08SPEAKERwhich is a pretty off angle shot of a screen.

29:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:11SPEAKER- It was kind of hard to see the Legos actually lighting up

29:14SPEAKERor change of colors the way the guy was describing,

29:16SPEAKERbut like the very most basic expression of this

29:19SPEAKERwas like two Legos that were programmed

29:21SPEAKERto change colors across the RGB spectrum,

29:24SPEAKERdepending on their distance.

29:24SPEAKERSo you could just kind of move them closer and farther away

29:27SPEAKERand they would change colors.

29:30SPEAKER- One of the other demos I saw somebody talk about

29:32SPEAKERon Blue Sky was making like a Xylophone that had,

29:39SPEAKERI think the bricks were in the hands

29:41SPEAKERand you put the tags on the top of the devices

29:43SPEAKERand when the bricks got close to the tags,

29:45SPEAKERthen it would bong the right sound.

29:47SPEAKER- That's neat.

29:48SPEAKERI think the one place I'm, I mean,

29:50SPEAKERI guess I'm having a hard time conceptualizing

29:52SPEAKERthe part where these things need to move around

29:54SPEAKERin order to change state.

29:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:57SPEAKER- And there's not a lot of like mechanized Lego stuff

29:59SPEAKERthat I'm aware of.

30:00SPEAKERThis is basically just you manually moving blocks around

30:03SPEAKERto make things happen, I guess.

30:04SPEAKERIs that correct?

30:06SPEAKER- A part of it is, yeah, there's a fair amount.

30:08SPEAKERLike there's a lot of adult Lego that has motors.

30:10SPEAKER- Okay.

30:11SPEAKER- For example, like Gina has a train set

30:13SPEAKERthat has a trolley car that has a motor in it

30:15SPEAKERthat can tootle around the tracks.

30:17SPEAKER- Okay, see, I am way behind on what the Lego product lineup

30:21SPEAKERis like these days.

30:22SPEAKER- Well, but I think the interesting thing to me

30:23SPEAKERis that it doesn't require that stuff.

30:25SPEAKER'Cause that stuff's kind of expensive.

30:26SPEAKERLike when you start motorizing your Lego,

30:28SPEAKERyou get into real money real fast.

30:30SPEAKERFor me, this is interesting.

30:32SPEAKER'Cause I saw a Unity developer, Scott Anderson,

30:35SPEAKERwas on Blue Sky talking about just running

30:38SPEAKERJohann Sebastian Joust on bricks alone.

30:41SPEAKER- Sure.

30:42SPEAKER- Right, so like that becomes a thing

30:44SPEAKERthat you just play the music and hears the music.

30:46SPEAKERAnd then when the music stops, you have to stop moving.

30:48SPEAKERAnd if it doesn't, then your wand makes the bad sound

30:52SPEAKERand you get kicked out of the game.

30:53SPEAKER- Sure, sure, I guess I'm thinking too small

30:55SPEAKERor too rigidly.

30:57SPEAKER- We're talking about divorcing the blocks

30:58SPEAKERfrom the standard like rigid, single Lego constructs, right?

31:02SPEAKERYou're talking about loose blocks,

31:05SPEAKERmoving around in a room and that kind of thing.

31:07SPEAKER- So there've been a bunch of toys

31:08SPEAKERthat kind of have similar behavior.

31:11SPEAKERThere's this thing called little bits

31:12SPEAKERthat has like a series of sensors

31:15SPEAKERand a series of motors and actuators and servos

31:19SPEAKERand solenoids and stuff like that

31:20SPEAKERthat you can kind of hook up with magnetic.

31:23SPEAKERThey have like, they have point to point magnetic clips

31:26SPEAKERthat are almost like pogo pins

31:29SPEAKERthat can snap onto each other.

31:30SPEAKERBut those, the sensors, like those,

31:35SPEAKERin order to build a bunch of sensors,

31:36SPEAKERyou have to have a bunch of those units.

31:38SPEAKERIt's not like this thing where all the sensors

31:40SPEAKERare jammed into this one standard size

31:43SPEAKERtwo by four Lego brick, right?

31:47SPEAKERAnd I think that's the intro, that's what,

31:50SPEAKERthat and the fact that Lego is really ubiquitous

31:52SPEAKERmakes it interesting to me, right?

31:55SPEAKER- The idea that you could have, say,

31:58SPEAKERlike one of the things they showed was a smart tag

32:02SPEAKERthat they suggested that you could put a smart tag

32:04SPEAKERon your brother and have an alarm go off

32:06SPEAKERwhen he gets near your bedroom door, right?

32:08SPEAKERStuff like that. - Rad.

32:09SPEAKER- Yeah. - That is,

32:11SPEAKERI mean, I didn't have a brother,

32:12SPEAKERbut that still immediately makes me eight years old again.

32:14SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly. - Sounds awesome.

32:15SPEAKER- Yeah, if you want to build,

32:16SPEAKERlike if you wanted to use this to build an alarm system

32:19SPEAKERfor your bedroom as a kid, that's a totally doable thing.

32:22SPEAKER- Yes, yes, add that to your Home Alone Immersive Sim.

32:25SPEAKERAnd it kind of, I hope, my hope,

32:27SPEAKERI don't know what the pricing is on this stuff yet,

32:29SPEAKERbut my hope is that it will fill the gap

32:31SPEAKERbetween the Lego robotics stuff

32:35SPEAKERand like the base Lego toys, so.

32:38SPEAKER- Yeah, just to reiterate now that you have,

32:40SPEAKERagain, I was envisioning this as like,

32:42SPEAKERoh, these are all supposed to be used on one Lego playset,

32:44SPEAKERbut that's a rigid block-based thing.

32:46SPEAKERHow do these work?

32:46SPEAKERAnd I see these are much more like

32:48SPEAKERyou're taking these Lego blocks into the real world

32:51SPEAKERand making things happen there.

32:52SPEAKER- They're also putting them on Lego playsets,

32:54SPEAKERto be clear, one of the playsets

32:55SPEAKERis like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots

32:58SPEAKERwith Luke and Darth Vader fighting each other

33:00SPEAKERwith laser swords in the Emperor's throne room

33:04SPEAKERfrom Return of the Jedi.

33:05SPEAKERAnd like one person stands on one side

33:07SPEAKERand you can kind of control, the guys are on little sticks.

33:10SPEAKERSo when their lightsabers touch,

33:12SPEAKERthen it makes a, you know, it makes a lightsaber noises

33:16SPEAKERfor the appropriate ones and stuff like that, so.

33:18SPEAKER- Do any of these have batteries in them, I wonder?

33:21SPEAKER- Yeah, so the smart bricks have batteries,

33:23SPEAKERthe tags and the smart minifigs don't.

33:26SPEAKERThe smart bricks, I think they said 45 minutes of play

33:28SPEAKERon a single charge, if you go at it really hard,

33:30SPEAKERyou kind of shake it to wake it up,

33:33SPEAKERjust like your 8BitDo Switch 2 controller.

33:37SPEAKERAnd they turn off, they seem to be aggressively power saving

33:42SPEAKERis what the people I saw who experienced them

33:44SPEAKERon the show floor said.

33:45SPEAKERAnd they come with a charger that's a contactless charger,

33:48SPEAKERyou just set them on for a few minutes

33:49SPEAKERto charge them back up.

33:50SPEAKER- That sounds neat.

33:51SPEAKER- It sounds like phenomenally cool.

33:54SPEAKERAnd I talked about Johann Sebastian Joust.

33:56SPEAKERFor people who don't know what Johann Sebastian Joust is,

33:59SPEAKERit's a game, it was part of that Super Friends PS4 bundle

34:04SPEAKERyears and years ago.

34:05SPEAKER- Yeah, they did it with PlayStation Move controllers there,

34:08SPEAKERI think.

34:08SPEAKER- Yeah, but for a long time,

34:10SPEAKERit was a staple of the indie game, like show circuit.

34:15SPEAKERAnd you play it by holding a PlayStation Move controller

34:19SPEAKERin each hand and they play music.

34:24SPEAKERIt's hooked up to a computer laptop

34:25SPEAKERthat plays music over like a Bluetooth speaker or something.

34:28SPEAKERAnd when the music is going fast, you can move fast.

34:30SPEAKERWhen the music stops, you have to freeze

34:33SPEAKERor not move your hand,

34:34SPEAKERyou can move the rest of your body if you want.

34:36SPEAKERAnd as soon as you move your body while the music stops,

34:39SPEAKERyou get kicked out of the game.

34:40SPEAKERSo what ends up happening is,

34:43SPEAKERit's like being able to build this on Lego,

34:44SPEAKERso it's just using bricks that you hold

34:47SPEAKERis super fascinating and opens the door

34:49SPEAKERfor all sorts of weird experiments.

34:51SPEAKERAnyway, definitely worth watching the video.

34:54SPEAKERIt's on a channel called Bricks by...

34:58SPEAKERBricks by, hold on, it's loading slowly.

35:02SPEAKERBuild with Peter is the name of the channel.

35:04SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, I'll just put our whole mode stock up

35:07SPEAKERwith this episode so people can hit that link.

35:09SPEAKER- Perfect.

35:11SPEAKERNext one is Solid State Batteries, a friend of the...

35:14SPEAKERThis is rad.

35:15SPEAKER- Yes, yes, this stuff sounds...

35:18SPEAKERI don't wanna say it almost too good to be true.

35:20SPEAKERI mean, I looked into this just enough

35:22SPEAKERto know that the tech has existed for like 150 years

35:26SPEAKERin concept, it's just that it's never been quite

35:30SPEAKERmassaged to the point that it's useful

35:32SPEAKERfor consumer applications,

35:33SPEAKERbut it sounds like somebody might've finally gotten there.

35:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so the TLDR on Solid State Batteries

35:37SPEAKERis that instead of a liquid electrolyte,

35:40SPEAKERlike we've used in pretty much every battery

35:41SPEAKERyou've ever used, you use a solid component,

35:45SPEAKERwhich means the energy density is higher

35:48SPEAKERand theoretically the kind of life cycle

35:52SPEAKERof the batteries should be a lot better.

35:55SPEAKER- Sounds like also a lot less prone

35:56SPEAKERto fire-related incidents.

35:59SPEAKER- They're much less likely to build up hydrogen

36:01SPEAKERand then explode.

36:03SPEAKERThe problem has always been this thing

36:05SPEAKERcalled the dendrite problem,

36:06SPEAKERwhich is basically like little...

36:11SPEAKERI think they're called dendrites

36:12SPEAKER'cause they look like dendrites in your brain,

36:14SPEAKERbecause they make little conductive paths

36:18SPEAKERfrom the anodes to the cathodes inside the batteries.

36:21SPEAKER- Like tiny little spurs that form in there effectively.

36:24SPEAKER- Yeah, and it shorts out the battery,

36:25SPEAKERbasically rendering it useless

36:27SPEAKERin a relatively low number of cycles traditionally.

36:29SPEAKERSo this company called Donut Labs,

36:31SPEAKERwhich is a great name for a company,

36:32SPEAKERhas said they've cracked the chemistry of the problem

36:37SPEAKERand they're selling the batteries

36:40SPEAKERto this company called Verge Motorcycles,

36:42SPEAKERnot related to the website.

36:45SPEAKERAnd a friend of the show, Robbie Baldwin,

36:47SPEAKERover at SAE Labs wrote about this.

36:50SPEAKERIt's basically a solid electrolyte battery.

36:52SPEAKERIt charges in about 10 minutes for the motorcycle

36:55SPEAKERand the Verge Motorcycles is saying

36:57SPEAKERthe battery will last for 10,000 charge cycles.

37:01SPEAKERThe battery people are saying it's good for 100K probably,

37:05SPEAKERwhich would be like multiple motorcycle lifetimes

37:08SPEAKERin my, that seems like a lot of charge cycles.

37:11SPEAKER- It sure does.

37:12SPEAKERYou've got here, I thought 10,000 sounded a little low

37:15SPEAKERuntil I saw that apparently it's like about 1,500 cycles

37:18SPEAKERfor traditional lithium ion.

37:20SPEAKER- So traditional lithium ion in consumer electronics

37:23SPEAKERis typically 1,500 charge cycle rating, like a phone.

37:27SPEAKERCar batteries work a little bit differently than that,

37:29SPEAKERso they're potentially higher.

37:31SPEAKERAnd since they have more storage,

37:33SPEAKERyou can afford to lose a little bit more than you would.

37:35SPEAKERBut the point is 10K charge cycles is pretty amazing.

37:40SPEAKERAnd they don't use rare earths

37:41SPEAKERthat are only mined in China right now,

37:43SPEAKERwhich is also a bonus.

37:44SPEAKER- Dude, do you have any idea why vehicles

37:45SPEAKERseem to be the first venue for solid state batteries

37:48SPEAKERto be deployed?

37:48SPEAKERIs it a size thing?

37:49SPEAKERIs it like, hey, these still,

37:51SPEAKERand can, let me rephrase this.

37:53SPEAKERThese cannot be miniaturized enough

37:55SPEAKERto put them in consumer electronics yet?

37:57SPEAKER- I think that the benefits for vehicles

37:59SPEAKERare much greater than the benefits for phones.

38:01SPEAKER- Okay, actually maybe I should clarify,

38:03SPEAKERis this mainly a charge speed improvement?

38:06SPEAKER- Charge speed and capacity per weight.

38:08SPEAKERSo the reason the motorcycle people like it

38:10SPEAKERis 'cause you get the same amount of capacity

38:13SPEAKERand a much lower weight,

38:14SPEAKERwhich also has the knock-on effect of increasing your range.

38:17SPEAKER- Oh, we're talking weight, not volume,

38:19SPEAKERor not mass rather, sorry.

38:21SPEAKER- Well, mass, weight, same thing, but yeah.

38:24SPEAKER- Point being, point being,

38:25SPEAKERyou're not necessarily gonna be a lot smaller.

38:27SPEAKER- Well, so I don't know about the volume.

38:30SPEAKERI know that the mass is lower

38:31SPEAKERfor the same amount of charge capacity.

38:33SPEAKER- Okay.

38:34SPEAKER- And that, because of that, you're getting,

38:37SPEAKERlike there's two things that increase,

38:39SPEAKERthat decrease your range, right?

38:40SPEAKERThe amount of charge your battery holds

38:42SPEAKERand the weight that you're having to haul around.

38:44SPEAKERSo reducing weight on one of the heavier items

38:46SPEAKERthat's part of the motorcycle

38:48SPEAKERwill increase the range commensurate amount as well.

38:53SPEAKERMy assumption, the Donut Labs people,

38:55SPEAKERI think there was a verge article about this too,

38:57SPEAKERand the Donut Labs people seem to be optimistic

39:00SPEAKERthat it's gonna come to everything.

39:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean,

39:02SPEAKERit seems like a unilateral improvement for every use case

39:05SPEAKERwhere you would use a battery eventually.

39:07SPEAKER- It seems like stuff like whole house battery storage

39:11SPEAKERand municipal battery storage,

39:12SPEAKERthere's huge gains to be had by something

39:15SPEAKERthat has a longer life cycle for bigger capacity,

39:19SPEAKERfor bigger capital investments.

39:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, but that's even greener for a phone,

39:23SPEAKERyou know, like that would theoretically allow you

39:25SPEAKERto keep a phone for much, much longer.

39:27SPEAKEROf course, I mean, other advancements and obsolescence

39:29SPEAKERmight force an upgrade anyway, but.

39:31SPEAKER- Yeah, whereas your whole house battery,

39:33SPEAKERyou upgrade much less frequently.

39:35SPEAKER- Right, right.

39:37SPEAKER- Okay, so there's that,

39:38SPEAKERthat's Donut Labs and Verge Motorcycles.

39:40SPEAKERWe have Lenovo's repairable ThinkPad.

39:43SPEAKER- Yeah, is this literally just framework

39:45SPEAKERis making enough waves

39:47SPEAKERthat other people are getting in now or?

39:49SPEAKER- I think that it's, I think this is not upgradeable,

39:53SPEAKERjust to be clear.

39:54SPEAKER- Okay.

39:55SPEAKER- So they're not committing to shipping new hardware

39:57SPEAKERthat you can buy and put it into this thing.

40:00SPEAKER- Got it.

40:00SPEAKER- What they have done is made a laptop that you can,

40:03SPEAKERthat it's designed so that a normal human can open it up

40:05SPEAKERand replace components.

40:07SPEAKER- So in other words,

40:08SPEAKERit's exactly what laptops used to be 20 years ago.

40:11SPEAKER- It's what ThinkPads were as recently as 10 years ago.

40:14SPEAKER- Right, yeah.

40:15SPEAKERWhen you remember when you could just open up your laptop

40:16SPEAKERand replace parts in it.

40:18SPEAKER- Except, except they still solder on the RAM.

40:21SPEAKER- Yep.

40:22SPEAKER- But like the daughterboards for the USB ports,

40:24SPEAKERwhich is one of the, like they looked at

40:26SPEAKERwhat they were doing and if they could do a little bit more

40:28SPEAKERto make the parts that fail most often,

40:30SPEAKERmore easily repairable.

40:32SPEAKERSo like you can swap out the keyboard really easily.

40:34SPEAKERYou can swap out the USB port daughterboards really easily.

40:39SPEAKERYou can pop the battery out, stuff like that.

40:41SPEAKER- I wonder what the impetus for this is.

40:42SPEAKER'Cause you know, the cynical conventional wisdom

40:45SPEAKERis that the less repairable it is,

40:46SPEAKERthe more likely you are to just have to buy another laptop,

40:49SPEAKERwhich is probably what they would prefer,

40:50SPEAKERbut is this a right to repair thing or?

40:53SPEAKER- Well, I mean, right to prepare is important.

40:54SPEAKERLenovo is generally pretty progressive about this stuff.

40:57SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

40:58SPEAKERI would say it's probably the market

41:02SPEAKERfor this particular ThinkPad.

41:03SPEAKERThe X1 is really popular with nerds.

41:06SPEAKER- Yes, probably more than anything else

41:09SPEAKERwhen I see people talking about Linux laptops,

41:11SPEAKERthe wisdom is just go get a ThinkPad.

41:13SPEAKER- It's ThinkPad or System76 or Framework

41:16SPEAKERare the ones that are doing really good support work.

41:19SPEAKER- If you're not like System76 and Framework

41:21SPEAKERor for the ultra ultra hardcore nerds.

41:25SPEAKER- Well, and System76 tends to lag a little bit

41:27SPEAKERin hardware, I think their newest machine

41:29SPEAKERis still an Arrow Lake machine or something like that.

41:31SPEAKERSo anyway, so I thought that was interesting.

41:34SPEAKERIt's good news.

41:35SPEAKERAdam posted a good video that shows like he field strips it.

41:39SPEAKERIt's also simple stuff like them labeling the screws inside

41:43SPEAKERso that you don't have to have a repair manual

41:45SPEAKERto know which screws have to unscrew

41:46SPEAKERto take out each individual component, stuff like that.

41:51SPEAKERLet's see, HP put a keyboard in a,

41:55SPEAKERsorry, a computer in a keyboard.

41:57SPEAKER- Yeah, this is kind of similar to the Raspberry Pi 400, 500,

42:02SPEAKERthat whole series of Raspberry Pi in a keyboard type stuff.

42:05SPEAKEROr frankly, it's what computers were

42:08SPEAKERat the dawn of home computing, right?

42:09SPEAKER- Well, except for it's like a little low profile keyboard.

42:12SPEAKERIt's like not a big chunky boy.

42:13SPEAKER- Right, but same concept of the keyboard

42:15SPEAKERand the computer are the same unit.

42:17SPEAKER- Yeah, this one is, it's an AMD Kraken point,

42:20SPEAKERwhich is-- - What's the real what?

42:22SPEAKER- Kraken.

42:24SPEAKER- They're just making things up now.

42:27SPEAKER- I mean, look, all words are made up from a certain level.

42:31SPEAKER- Fair.

42:32SPEAKER- It's basically Ryzen AI 5 350 to Ryzen AI 7 370 Pros.

42:38SPEAKERSo they're like mid range mobile parts, basically.

42:40SPEAKER- I wonder what the market is for this

42:43SPEAKERor who they're positioning this for.

42:45SPEAKER- Well, think about, think about like a,

42:47SPEAKERI was thinking about like hospitals

42:49SPEAKERwhen you go to a hospital room and they have that,

42:50SPEAKERthey usually have a little NUC size machine

42:54SPEAKERsmacked onto some sort of post

42:55SPEAKERwith a monitor and a keyboard.

42:56SPEAKERWhat if it's just the keyboard?

42:58SPEAKER- Right, or just very, very light office needs,

43:01SPEAKERthat kind of thing.

43:02SPEAKER- I mean, look, this should be as capable as a laptop.

43:04SPEAKER- Yeah. - Right?

43:05SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool.

43:07SPEAKER- And imagine, imagine a world where

43:09SPEAKERinstead of being issued a laptop at work,

43:11SPEAKERthey just give you a keyboard

43:12SPEAKERand then you take that and plug that in at home,

43:14SPEAKERyou plug it in at work, whatever.

43:16SPEAKER- I mean, that is tweaking my TV VCR combo,

43:19SPEAKERhang ups a little bit of like the keyboard craps out

43:22SPEAKERand suddenly your computer is useless, but.

43:24SPEAKER- Well, but if you're in a corporate environment,

43:26SPEAKERyou just get another keyboard, right?

43:28SPEAKER- In that case, and also I'm sure these things

43:30SPEAKERare probably relatively cheap, so.

43:32SPEAKER- Yeah, plus they're not like

43:34SPEAKERthey're nice mechanical keyboards.

43:36SPEAKERThey're still, you know, they're keyboard-esque keyboards.

43:39SPEAKER- Yeah, like this is not a place I live

43:41SPEAKERin terms of computing needs,

43:43SPEAKERbut I think this is kind of an increasingly

43:45SPEAKERsuper interesting category because compute is getting

43:48SPEAKERso significant and also miniaturized

43:52SPEAKERor it's becoming vanishingly small at this point, you know,

43:55SPEAKERlike you can just hide it places now,

43:57SPEAKERlike the idea of, you know,

43:59SPEAKERwatching the business machine shrink over time,

44:02SPEAKERI guess is what I'm saying is kind of fascinating to watch.

44:04SPEAKER- This was, there's a good video from Antonio at The Verge

44:09SPEAKERover on TikTok of this that will,

44:11SPEAKERit's linked in the story that's in our notes.

44:13SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool.

44:14SPEAKER- Shout out to Antonio.

44:16SPEAKERHe did good stuff as he is this year.

44:18SPEAKERLet's see, we got Corsair put a stream deck

44:20SPEAKERin a gaming keyboard,

44:21SPEAKERwhich is like the most obvious thing in the world.

44:23SPEAKER- Speaking of, yes, sure.

44:26SPEAKER- I'm, I like my gaming,

44:29SPEAKERI like to choose my gaming keyboard really thoughtfully

44:32SPEAKERand I like having a stream deck separately on my desk,

44:34SPEAKERbut I understand why people would want this

44:36SPEAKERand it's like 350 bucks, so it's kind of a little bit,

44:39SPEAKERmaybe save a couple of bucks there.

44:41SPEAKER- Maybe Corsair Elgato stuff kind of pricey.

44:45SPEAKER- I was gonna say, speaking of TV VCR stuff.

44:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:49SPEAKER- Keyboard and your stream deck in one unit.

44:50SPEAKERI mean, not that either of those is super likely to die, but.

44:53SPEAKER- The thing that's happened in the last couple of years

44:55SPEAKERwith the stream deck stuff is that it's kind of taken over

44:59SPEAKERa lot of the production work.

45:01SPEAKERLike you look at people doing, not just Twitch streamers,

45:05SPEAKERbut people doing like video production and stuff like that.

45:07SPEAKERAnd like they have a rack mount button box now

45:10SPEAKERthat goes into your AV rack

45:12SPEAKERand you can use to turn on all your stuff

45:14SPEAKERand do all your business

45:16SPEAKERand it integrates with all your other stuff.

45:17SPEAKERSo like, I get it.

45:18SPEAKERIt makes sense for a production.

45:20SPEAKERLike if you're sitting on a production machine

45:21SPEAKERin a control room, it makes a lot of sense.

45:24SPEAKERAnd I think it's three dials, a touch bar

45:27SPEAKERand nine or 12 keys, I can't remember exactly.

45:30SPEAKER- 12.

45:31SPEAKER- 12 buttons, two dials.

45:32SPEAKER- Two dials.

45:33SPEAKER- Touch bar and 12 buttons.

45:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so.

45:35SPEAKER- Pretty good mix.

45:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, you know, 150 bucks worth of stream deck

45:39SPEAKERplus 150 bucks worth of keyboard, I guess.

45:44SPEAKERSegway announced e-bikes.

45:46SPEAKERSegway has been around.

45:47SPEAKERThey've been making like.

45:47SPEAKER- This is like the Segway, right?

45:49SPEAKER- This is the Segway, yeah.

45:50SPEAKERThe one's gonna change the world.

45:51SPEAKERWe're gonna redesign our cities around this thing.

45:53SPEAKER- How did they refer to that thing before it was announced

45:55SPEAKERwhen the hype was at its peak?

45:56SPEAKERWeren't they calling it it?

45:57SPEAKER- Oh, it had a woman's name.

45:58SPEAKER- Oh, I thought people were like for a while,

46:00SPEAKERweren't some like tech magnates that had seen it,

46:02SPEAKERlike maybe Steve Jobs or people like that.

46:04SPEAKERI thought people were just calling it it.

46:06SPEAKER- No, no, no, it had a name.

46:08SPEAKER- Well, it may have also had a name,

46:10SPEAKERbut I'd swear there was a phase in that cycle

46:11SPEAKERwhere they were just referring to it as it.

46:14SPEAKER- Was it Karen?

46:15SPEAKERNo, too soon.

46:18SPEAKERNo, it was, God, we used to make fun of it

46:21SPEAKERat Maximum PC a lot.

46:24SPEAKER- When was that?

46:25SPEAKERThat was 2001?

46:26SPEAKER- It was 2000.

46:28SPEAKER- 2001 is when the first one came out.

46:30SPEAKER- Yeah, we started getting,

46:34SPEAKERthey started trying to sneak it into tech magazines

46:37SPEAKERearlier in that.

46:38SPEAKERThey were very excited about it,

46:40SPEAKERbut it's owned by Ninebot, I think now.

46:42SPEAKER- Right, they're good on them.

46:43SPEAKERThey stuck around.

46:43SPEAKERIt wasn't all hype, apparently.

46:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, those personal,

46:47SPEAKERthe people mover things,

46:49SPEAKERthey sell a lot of like suitcase size things now

46:52SPEAKERthat you kind of stand on

46:53SPEAKERand they'll kind of roll you along on a single wheel.

46:55SPEAKER- Yeah, sometimes I see groups like tour groups

46:57SPEAKERin Golden Gate Park, they seem to rent these out

46:59SPEAKERto tourists and that sort of thing.

47:01SPEAKER- I've done that through Pacifica.

47:03SPEAKERThey called it Ginger was the code name.

47:04SPEAKER- Oh, right, yes, okay.

47:07SPEAKER- So yeah, so the Segway announced a couple of e-bikes,

47:10SPEAKER80 mile an hour range.

47:11SPEAKERThey have like turn signals

47:12SPEAKERand you can get rear facing radar and stuff like that

47:15SPEAKERif you don't want to look over your shoulder.

47:16SPEAKERBut 80 mile range sounds pretty good for an e-bike.

47:20SPEAKERI could use that to commute to work.

47:22SPEAKER- Hang on.

47:23SPEAKER- Two grand.

47:24SPEAKER- I'm looking, this has been very ignorant questions,

47:26SPEAKERhard to tell from these product shots.

47:28SPEAKERThese things still have pedals, right?

47:30SPEAKER- Yeah, that still has pedals.

47:32SPEAKER- Okay, they're just not very prominent on here.

47:35SPEAKER- Yeah, if you look at like the second shot,

47:37SPEAKERyou can see it, it's just straight forward and back.

47:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I see it now.

47:41SPEAKER- And they, like two grand is, I mean, look,

47:46SPEAKERI'm old enough that I remember

47:47SPEAKERwhen a bicycle costs like 100 bucks.

47:50SPEAKERBut when you look at a nice bicycle costing 1500 bucks now

47:53SPEAKERthat doesn't go for you,

47:55SPEAKERthis seems nice to be able to go up hills and stuff.

47:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I assume the range quoted is purely on the battery,

48:00SPEAKERright, like it has, like that's not--

48:01SPEAKER- I would assume so, yeah.

48:02SPEAKER- Not counting any human locomotion.

48:03SPEAKERAlso, do those things pick up any charge

48:06SPEAKERoff of pedaling at all?

48:08SPEAKER- Some of them do, some of them don't.

48:09SPEAKERI don't know about this one in particular.

48:12SPEAKERBut typically they, typically you charge going down hills.

48:17SPEAKER- Okay.

48:17SPEAKER- Just like an electric car.

48:18SPEAKER- Sure.

48:21SPEAKER- Anker, makers of battery backups for your phone

48:25SPEAKERthat sometimes explode recently.

48:27SPEAKER- I was gonna say, recent events maybe don't inspire

48:30SPEAKERa lot of confidence in this next item, but.

48:32SPEAKER- Having, I had one of those, I sent them a note.

48:35SPEAKERThey were like, "Hey, take it here to dispose of it.

48:37SPEAKERWe'll send you a new one."

48:37SPEAKERAnd they sent me a new one, so no complaints.

48:40SPEAKER- Better than not sending you a new one

48:41SPEAKERor saying anything about it.

48:43SPEAKER- Yeah, they're moving into whole home batteries.

48:46SPEAKER- Okay.

48:47SPEAKER- So that seems, that's good 'cause right now

48:51SPEAKERthe market leader in that is Tesla,

48:53SPEAKERwhich I'm not interested in participating in.

48:55SPEAKER- Sure, same.

48:56SPEAKER- But looking at the price of power at peak

48:59SPEAKERversus off peak times here,

49:00SPEAKERit seems like you could kind of arbitrage your way

49:03SPEAKERinto paying for that in like two years at the outside.

49:05SPEAKER- Oh wow, okay.

49:07SPEAKERI saw, I wish I had made a note of this.

49:09SPEAKERI saw a headline and passed over it.

49:11SPEAKERI don't think it came out of CES,

49:12SPEAKERbut about portable solar is apparently becoming cheap

49:16SPEAKERand ubiquitous enough that people are starting to use it

49:19SPEAKERin apartments quite a bit.

49:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really popular in,

49:22SPEAKERI think Germany is where I read.

49:23SPEAKER- Okay, I would believe that.

49:24SPEAKERLike people with balconies in particular,

49:26SPEAKERany kind of surface outside in an apartment

49:28SPEAKERyou can put a thing on.

49:29SPEAKER- Yeah, the idea is you buy four or $500 worth of panels

49:32SPEAKERand hang them off your balcony facing south

49:34SPEAKERand then just plug that into the wall

49:37SPEAKERand you get electricity from the sun

49:42SPEAKERthat you don't have to pay for, which sounds nice.

49:43SPEAKER- Yeah, it sure does.

49:46SPEAKER- Maybe I should just do that in my backyard.

49:48SPEAKER- You should.

49:49SPEAKER- 8BitDo announced the ultimate 3E,

49:53SPEAKERwhich is an Xbox controller with swappable X, P, A, Y buttons.

49:59SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause they have the pro three is out,

50:01SPEAKERbut the ultimate two was,

50:03SPEAKERwe've been talking about this company a fair amount recently

50:05SPEAKERfor whatever reason.

50:06SPEAKERSo it's interesting to see this.

50:08SPEAKER- They have the, this one has the TMR joysticks,

50:10SPEAKERwhich are like the next stage tunneling magneto resistance.

50:14SPEAKER- Yep, that's the one.

50:16SPEAKERWhat exactly is the utility of the swappable face buttons?

50:19SPEAKERSo is it purely for the,

50:21SPEAKERnot aesthetics, not the right word here,

50:22SPEAKERbut purely for the visual cue of which letter is which button?

50:27SPEAKER- I think so, that would be my guess.

50:29SPEAKERIs that basically swapping A and B

50:31SPEAKERbetween Switch and Xbox, for example?

50:33SPEAKER- That's kind of the feeling I get.

50:35SPEAKERMy guess is that they'll also probably sell,

50:37SPEAKERor you could 3D print additional buttons if you wanted.

50:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm worried that the swapability

50:43SPEAKERwould change the mechanical feel of the button a little bit,

50:45SPEAKERbut maybe I'm sure they've thought that through.

50:47SPEAKER- I don't know, I'm sure they'll send us one

50:48SPEAKERif you want to test it out and see what you think.

50:50SPEAKER- Sure.

50:51SPEAKER- They're generally pretty good at,

50:53SPEAKERI've been, of all the third-party controllers

50:56SPEAKERI've ever used, the 8BitDo ones are the ones

50:58SPEAKERthat I've been most consistently impressed by.

51:00SPEAKER- Yeah, people love them for sure.

51:02SPEAKERI don't know that, this is a pretty low-impact feature

51:04SPEAKERfor me, but it's interesting.

51:06SPEAKER- It looks like it has pogo pins,

51:08SPEAKERand the buttons are in a pad,

51:10SPEAKERand then you can kind of swap them out.

51:13SPEAKERThey also have, oh wow, it says it contains

51:15SPEAKERtwo interchangeable button modules,

51:17SPEAKERone with squishy silicone membrane buttons,

51:19SPEAKERand one with clicky micro switches.

51:22SPEAKER- Interesting, okay, so that's wild.

51:23SPEAKERThat's getting a little more interesting, then.

51:25SPEAKER- Yeah, silicone buttons, silicone face buttons, wow.

51:29SPEAKER- Well, the silicone pads are always in there,

51:31SPEAKER'cause it's like, when you take a controller part,

51:33SPEAKERyou get that little pad, and that's always silicone.

51:34SPEAKER- Yeah, the underneath part, yes.

51:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, but the microcontroller,

51:37SPEAKERthat sounds interesting.

51:41SPEAKERA company, a small company called Seattle Ultrasonics

51:44SPEAKERinvented Star Wars vibroblades.

51:46SPEAKER- Okay.

51:47SPEAKER- So this is a chef's knife that vibrates ultrasonically,

51:50SPEAKERand when people, I saw multiple people talking about this,

51:54SPEAKERthere was a, I think we linked to The Verge here,

51:56SPEAKERor no, we didn't, but Sean Hollister at The Verge

51:58SPEAKERsaid it was like the knife just fell through a tomato.

52:01SPEAKER- Yikes.

52:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:03SPEAKER- That's, that sounds very cool,

52:05SPEAKERbut also a little frightening.

52:07SPEAKER- I just want a katana, that's all I'm asking for.

52:09SPEAKER- Wow, they've got a picture of cutting through

52:11SPEAKERsome French bread that I have to assume is pretty,

52:13SPEAKERyeah, it's crumbly enough, the crust is flying everywhere

52:17SPEAKERenough to assume that it's a pretty crumbly,

52:21SPEAKERwhat in the world?

52:22SPEAKERThis seems a little frightening.

52:23SPEAKER- Yeah, this seems like you really messed yourself up

52:25SPEAKERwith it.

52:26SPEAKER- I, yeah, I mean.

52:27SPEAKER- Just to be clear, the video you're talking about

52:29SPEAKERis a cutting through bread with a chef's knife

52:32SPEAKERwithout sawing.

52:33SPEAKER- Yeah, but now they're holding up some green onions

52:35SPEAKERin the air, not against the surface,

52:37SPEAKERand just like waving the knife at the green onions

52:39SPEAKERand they are, and it's shearing them right off.

52:42SPEAKER- This thing looks terrifying.

52:44SPEAKER- This is mesmerizing, actually.

52:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:47SPEAKER- Trying to want, okay.

52:48SPEAKER- The scaling of the fish, scoring of the fish?

52:51SPEAKER- Starting to say I kind of want one of these,

52:52SPEAKERit's a $400 knife, though, so I don't know.

52:54SPEAKER- Look, 400 bucks isn't a ton for a good chef's knife,

52:58SPEAKERjust to be clear.

52:58SPEAKER- Also, I've never cut myself that badly chopping things,

53:01SPEAKERbut I have done it a few times enough

53:03SPEAKERthat this might be a little scary.

53:05SPEAKER- This looks like it might go straight through everything,

53:06SPEAKERyou might just come back with a stump.

53:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I wonder if, I wonder if working,

53:11SPEAKERtrained chefs are interested in something like this.

53:13SPEAKER- I don't know, I bet.

53:15SPEAKERLike, most of the chefs I've known are either really pro

53:18SPEAKERor really anti-technologies and not a lot in between.

53:22SPEAKERAnd my guess is that when you come into the kitchen

53:26SPEAKERwith this knife, everybody's gonna gather around

53:29SPEAKERfor a minute and they're gonna be very device,

53:30SPEAKERit's gonna be very divisive.

53:32SPEAKER- Okay, there's part of this demo where,

53:35SPEAKERI was confused what was going on

53:36SPEAKERbecause they're sort of like grazing

53:37SPEAKERa sliced tomato with it.

53:39SPEAKER- You're making the steam come off of it?

53:40SPEAKER- Yeah, so it looked like, I thought that was like,

53:42SPEAKERI was like, what is smoking there?

53:43SPEAKERWhat is going on there?

53:44SPEAKERAnd then yes, I realized what was actually happening.

53:46SPEAKER- That tomato vapes, man.

53:48SPEAKERYeah, I don't know, I'm interested, like you said,

53:51SPEAKER400 bucks, that's high.

53:54SPEAKERBut yeah, it's what a nice,

53:56SPEAKERless than a really nice chef's knife,

53:58SPEAKERas much as a nice chef's knife, I would say.

54:00SPEAKER- USBC charged, we should say.

54:03SPEAKER- I don't know that I need more charging things in my life.

54:06SPEAKER- Especially a knife.

54:07SPEAKER- It has a wireless charging tile that you can hook,

54:09SPEAKERI assume, hook into your knife block or something.

54:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:13SPEAKER- Pebble, remember Pebble?

54:15SPEAKER- I do.

54:15SPEAKER- The first wearable company, the first smartwatch company.

54:18SPEAKER- Yeah, didn't they get bought by somebody?

54:19SPEAKER- They got bought by Google.

54:20SPEAKER- Right.

54:21SPEAKER- Last year, Google open sourced the original Pebble OS.

54:24SPEAKER- That's cool.

54:26SPEAKER- And the original Pebble co-founder,

54:28SPEAKERone of them, Eric Migicovsky,

54:30SPEAKERis back with a company called Core Devices, I think,

54:34SPEAKERand they announced the Pebble Round 2,

54:37SPEAKERwhich is a smartwatch with like a two-week battery

54:40SPEAKERand buttons and color and all that stuff.

54:42SPEAKERIt looks really good.

54:43SPEAKER- Wait, is this like Google affiliated?

54:46SPEAKERHow do they have the Pebble name?

54:48SPEAKERSo I think that they bought it back or it was given up

54:51SPEAKERwhen he left Google, probably.

54:53SPEAKER- That's cool.

54:54SPEAKER- The website is repebble.com.

54:57SPEAKER- It's a pretty nice looking watch.

54:58SPEAKER- It's 200 bucks, looks good.

55:00SPEAKER- Yeah, well, not seeing a lot of side views

55:03SPEAKER'cause I find that as an avid Apple watch user,

55:06SPEAKERI find like the thickness of the smartwatch

55:08SPEAKERto be probably the biggest drawback.

55:11SPEAKERAnd this looks like it might be thinner than that.

55:13SPEAKER- The benefit of the e-ink,

55:15SPEAKERI don't know if they're still doing e-ink,

55:17SPEAKERI guess it's still, it looks like an LCD now.

55:18SPEAKER- This says e-paper, I suspect.

55:20SPEAKERI don't know if that's a distinction to be made or not.

55:23SPEAKER- Yeah, so the e-paper screen, it can be,

55:26SPEAKERit uses less power so that it needs less battery,

55:29SPEAKERbut they are doing that suspicious 2/3 picture of all of it.

55:34SPEAKERI don't know, man, it looks pretty small

55:35SPEAKERcompared to a modern Apple watch.

55:38SPEAKER- That's a pretty nice looking watch, actually.

55:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it's definitely got the round bezel

55:41SPEAKERkind of to trick you a little bit, but that's fine.

55:45SPEAKER- 200 bucks, that's out, you can reorder it now.

55:48SPEAKER- All right.

55:50SPEAKER- I loved my first gen Pebble in 2015, that thing ripped.

55:55SPEAKERThe Hyperspace Trackpad Pro,

55:56SPEAKERthis is a Kickstarter product that's now shipping.

55:59SPEAKER- Oh, I'm sure Adam is excited.

56:02SPEAKER- No, he's a trackball guy.

56:04SPEAKER- Oh, oh, that's right, he's trackball, not.

56:05SPEAKER- He's a weirdo. - Yes, right.

56:07SPEAKER- We don't talk about trackballs on this podcast, sir.

56:09SPEAKER- Yes, okay, I'm fine with that policy.

56:12SPEAKER- It's got the haptics, just like your Magic Trackpad

56:15SPEAKERon your MacBook or one of those.

56:17SPEAKER- So this is basically just an Apple competitor?

56:19SPEAKER- It's basically, hey, we wanted to make the Apple Trackpad

56:22SPEAKERfor Windows users, it's 129 bucks.

56:26SPEAKER- I was not familiar with Hyper as a company

56:28SPEAKERuntil I bought that NVMe enclosure from them last month,

56:33SPEAKERaround Black Friday, and I think it's extremely,

56:35SPEAKERit's like the nicest enclosure I can imagine, so.

56:39SPEAKER- I think they do docks and hubs is where I first saw them.

56:41SPEAKER- Yeah, with a single data point,

56:43SPEAKERI can say the one Hyper thing I have bought seems quite nice.

56:46SPEAKER- There you go.

56:49SPEAKERIt seems like they're good at manufacturing shit,

56:51SPEAKERis the takeaway I have.

56:53SPEAKERSee, I think that's the stuff that was good

56:56SPEAKERthat I thought was cool or interesting.

56:59SPEAKERThere's some stuff that nobody's talking about,

57:00SPEAKERfrom what I can tell, price of memory being number one.

57:04SPEAKER- Okay, yes. - Nobody's like, oh yeah,

57:06SPEAKERlaptops are gonna cost $6,000 this year.

57:08SPEAKER- I guess there's not, I mean, they could do some messaging,

57:11SPEAKERI started to say there's not a whole lot for them to say,

57:13SPEAKERbut obviously like in interviews and stuff,

57:14SPEAKERthey could message the problem.

57:16SPEAKERI mean, let's try to allay some concerns,

57:18SPEAKERbut on the other hand,

57:20SPEAKERthere's probably no good news to relay about it, right?

57:23SPEAKER- No, it's all bad.

57:25SPEAKERWhat the memory and storage situation will do

57:27SPEAKERto PC and component prices also kind of off the radar,

57:30SPEAKERexcept Nvidia is selling the 3060 again for some reason.

57:33SPEAKER- So is that real?

57:34SPEAKERI tried to find that. - That's real, yeah.

57:36SPEAKER- Last I looked, that was rumored,

57:37SPEAKERbut have they confirmed that?

57:39SPEAKER- My understanding is that's confirmed, I could be wrong.

57:41SPEAKER- What does that mean?

57:42SPEAKERDid they have supply sitting around

57:44SPEAKERthat they're able to just put straight into the channel?

57:46SPEAKERLike they can't be fabbing these things again

57:48SPEAKERall of a sudden, right?

57:49SPEAKER- Well, they probably aren't doing 4060s

57:53SPEAKER'cause that's on TSMC 4

57:54SPEAKERand I bet they're constrained on those waivers.

57:57SPEAKER- Oh, maybe there's, I don't know what process

57:59SPEAKERthe 3060 was on, that was eight nanometer, wasn't it?

58:02SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's probably idle.

58:04SPEAKER- Yeah, 3080 launched on Samsung eight nanometer,

58:06SPEAKERso if they're still using that,

58:07SPEAKERmaybe there's capacities just sitting around.

58:09SPEAKER- Yeah, or the capacity they could buy at least

58:12SPEAKERso they can have video cards to sell.

58:14SPEAKERAMD's bringing back Zen 3 CPUs, it seems like, VDR4.

58:18SPEAKER- Did they ever go away though?

58:20SPEAKER- Well, they stopped making them.

58:22SPEAKER- Did they stop making them?

58:23SPEAKERMaybe there were just so many in the channel

58:25SPEAKER'cause I still would see people talking

58:26SPEAKERabout buying them here and there.

58:27SPEAKER- I mean, it may be that they found a warehouse full

58:29SPEAKERsomeplace and were like, oh shit,

58:31SPEAKERwe have 20,000 CPUs we gotta unload.

58:33SPEAKER- This is grim, man.

58:34SPEAKER- It seems bad.

58:35SPEAKER- And then two of the three major PC part makers

58:38SPEAKERor IC CPU, GPU makers are dipping into,

58:43SPEAKERokay, what are we talking here?

58:45SPEAKERZen 3 debuted late 2020, I think.

58:48SPEAKER- That seems right.

58:49SPEAKER- And the 3060 was probably like early 2221.

58:55SPEAKERWe're ish, I'm ball-parking.

58:56SPEAKER- I think it was before that, I think it was 2019 or 2020.

59:00SPEAKER- No, 'cause the 3080 came out at the end of 2020.

59:02SPEAKER- Okay, so it was 2020, 2020, yeah.

59:05SPEAKERI remember 'cause it came out right around the same time

59:07SPEAKERas the PS5 and Series X.

59:09SPEAKERBut anyway, the point being,

59:12SPEAKERwe're talking about roughly five-year-old hardware

59:14SPEAKERbeing brought back prominently.

59:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's grim.

59:16SPEAKER- Seems not good.

59:20SPEAKER- Nobody talked about tariffs.

59:21SPEAKERAMD had a guy from the Trump administration on

59:24SPEAKERtalk about how great technology is.

59:25SPEAKER- Cool.

59:30SPEAKER- One more good thing I forgot.

59:32SPEAKERPeople like this, Dell's bringing back XPS as a brand.

59:36SPEAKERThey killed XPS as a brand a few years ago.

59:38SPEAKERThis is their like performance gaming brand.

59:40SPEAKER- Oh, right, of course.

59:41SPEAKER- They're bringing it back, so.

59:42SPEAKER- I mean, do they get out of the market

59:43SPEAKERor just change the branding?

59:44SPEAKER- They just changed the name.

59:45SPEAKERThey call it Dell Pro or something.

59:47SPEAKER- Is this just a nostalgia play?

59:49SPEAKER- Yeah, pretty much.

59:50SPEAKER- All right, well, that's cool.

59:51SPEAKER- It was gone for one product cycle, I think, was it, so.

59:55SPEAKERAnd then the worst thing I saw out of all of the stuff

59:57SPEAKERI looked at for CES to pull this list together

1:00:00SPEAKERwas this robot that cuts your hair for you with AI.

1:00:04SPEAKERAnd it's not bad because the robot's bad,

1:00:06SPEAKERbut the fake head that they use to do the haircut demos

1:00:09SPEAKERis a nightmare.

1:00:10SPEAKER- Oh.

1:00:11SPEAKER- Did you not click on this one?

1:00:12SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, I'm looking at it.

1:00:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's bad. - It looks like CG.

1:00:15SPEAKER- Yeah, it's not, that's a real thing.

1:00:17SPEAKERThis is one of the better pictures.

1:00:19SPEAKERAnd it's a thing that you clamp onto your head

1:00:22SPEAKERand then it kind of gives you,

1:00:24SPEAKERit looks like a bad fade with the robot, so.

1:00:28SPEAKER- I don't know, I don't know.

1:00:30SPEAKERIt seems bad.

1:00:31SPEAKERI would just shave my head before I started using this.

1:00:34SPEAKEROkay, so the one big thing on TVs and monitors

1:00:36SPEAKERwe didn't talk about yet too is OLED monitors are,

1:00:41SPEAKERthere's a new pixel or sub pixel arrangement.

1:00:43SPEAKER- Oh, that's actually just some meat and potatoes

1:00:47SPEAKERuseful stuff.

1:00:48SPEAKERLike that's not flashy, typical CES prototype,

1:00:51SPEAKERnever come to market stuff.

1:00:52SPEAKERThat's just like, for people who don't know,

1:00:54SPEAKEROLEDs don't use the same sub pixel layouts

1:00:56SPEAKERtypically as your classic LCDs.

1:00:59SPEAKERAnd all of the text anti-aliasing is typically designed

1:01:02SPEAKERaround standard LCD sub pixel layouts.

1:01:05SPEAKER- Yep.

1:01:05SPEAKER- So different depending on the OLED you get,

1:01:07SPEAKERyou get weird fringing or other artifacts on text

1:01:09SPEAKERthat some people find very eye straining and so forth.

1:01:12SPEAKER- So new QD OLED pixel, sub pixel layout just dropped.

1:01:16SPEAKERThis one's called vertical stripes, I think.

1:01:20SPEAKERAnd instead of having the sub pixels

1:01:21SPEAKERin kind of a triangly shape,

1:01:23SPEAKERthey're just three vertical lines

1:01:27SPEAKERthat are next to each other with the red being the long one

1:01:30SPEAKERand the blue being the small one and the mid-sized

1:01:34SPEAKERpresumably because of the differences in brightnesses

1:01:36SPEAKERon those color ranges.

1:01:38SPEAKER- Because red would be the demonstrate.

1:01:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:41SPEAKERSo they're saying it's better if it makes the text clearer

1:01:43SPEAKERon OLEDs.

1:01:44SPEAKER- Who's the manufacturer on that?

1:01:46SPEAKER- LG and Samsung are both doing them right now.

1:01:48SPEAKER- Oh, wow, cool.

1:01:49SPEAKERAll right, well, maybe that just kind of fixes the problem.

1:01:51SPEAKER- ASUS and MSI both have monitors

1:01:53SPEAKERthat are using the new layout next year.

1:01:56SPEAKER- Man, I was so hot on getting a OLED PC monitor

1:01:59SPEAKERuntil I watched a video about burn-in

1:02:00SPEAKERand I just don't think I can do it ever.

1:02:03SPEAKER- I try not to think about it too much.

1:02:06SPEAKER- Yeah, that's one option for sure.

1:02:07SPEAKERThey're just, they're still expensive enough

1:02:09SPEAKERthat if I started seeing burn-in after 18 months,

1:02:11SPEAKERlike some tests indicate I might,

1:02:14SPEAKERI just don't think I could handle it emotionally.

1:02:16SPEAKER- What if you just used an OS

1:02:18SPEAKERthat didn't have Windows Chrome

1:02:19SPEAKERand you were just all tiling all the time?

1:02:20SPEAKER- Yeah, the tiling is still a standard size though.

1:02:23SPEAKERYou're probably still gonna see seams.

1:02:26SPEAKERI just, for, you know, 98% of my computer

1:02:29SPEAKERuses productivity and Windows stuff.

1:02:31SPEAKERLike I don't do a lot of gaming in here.

1:02:33SPEAKERSo that would not be great.

1:02:35SPEAKER- So Samsung Display is supplying these panels

1:02:40SPEAKERto seven global manufacturers according to,

1:02:44SPEAKERI think this article's on The Verge.

1:02:45SPEAKER- Okay, that's good news.

1:02:46SPEAKERI just, I very quickly skimmed the TV roundup

1:02:49SPEAKER'cause TVs at CES are one of my favorite topics,

1:02:51SPEAKERbut it doesn't seem like much this year.

1:02:53SPEAKERObviously many LEDs and OLEDs are getting

1:02:56SPEAKERincrementally better as always,

1:02:57SPEAKERbut as far as like the future looking tech,

1:03:00SPEAKERyou know, the microLED or the self-inmissive quantum dots

1:03:04SPEAKERthat we talked about last year, it doesn't seem like,

1:03:06SPEAKERI think there's some more prototype stuff there

1:03:08SPEAKERfrom the looks of things,

1:03:09SPEAKERbut it doesn't look like anything close

1:03:10SPEAKERto like shipping reasonably priced products.

1:03:13SPEAKER- So the stuff I saw, the big stuff I saw,

1:03:16SPEAKERthe big kind of trends I saw were that people are shipping

1:03:20SPEAKERwhat was generally considered

1:03:22SPEAKERto be kind of unwise brightnesses.

1:03:24SPEAKERLike I said, up to 4,500 nits, eye blasters.

1:03:28SPEAKERAnd then the other one is that the cheap monitors

1:03:31SPEAKERand the good monitors are,

1:03:33SPEAKERthe gap between the cheap TVs and the good TVs

1:03:37SPEAKERseems to be closing pretty dramatically.

1:03:39SPEAKER- That's a good thing.

1:03:41SPEAKER- Yeah, so I think we're gonna start seeing

1:03:42SPEAKERmore differentiation based on features

1:03:44SPEAKERthat maybe are more kind of transient

1:03:47SPEAKERand less hardware specific.

1:03:50SPEAKER- Sure.

1:03:51SPEAKER- Anyway, TVs are weird, man.

1:03:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:53SPEAKER- That's the TLDR.

1:03:55SPEAKERSo that's a CES.

1:03:56SPEAKERI'm sure we missed some stuff.

1:03:57SPEAKERIf you had favorites that you were curious about,

1:03:59SPEAKERsend them in to techpod@content.town

1:04:01SPEAKERand we'll talk about them at the end of the month

1:04:03SPEAKERon the questions episode.

1:04:05SPEAKERI, like this one was pretty good.

1:04:08SPEAKERThere was a bunch of terrible AI shit.

1:04:11SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.

1:04:12SPEAKER- But I think that's just part for the course now.

1:04:15SPEAKER- Nothing like super mind blowing though

1:04:16SPEAKERon any fronts, really.

1:04:18SPEAKER- No.

1:04:20SPEAKER- No, like-

1:04:21SPEAKER- I don't feel like there's not really any one

1:04:22SPEAKEReverybody's talking about thing this year.

1:04:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that those Lego bricks,

1:04:28SPEAKERI'll be curious to hear what people say

1:04:29SPEAKERwho've been at the show more.

1:04:30SPEAKERI haven't talked to Adam or any of the folks

1:04:31SPEAKERfrom PCWorld who were there,

1:04:33SPEAKERbut I think that Lego, like,

1:04:37SPEAKERI think that Lego thing is one of those ones

1:04:38SPEAKERthat's like seems like a kind of interesting, neat thing now

1:04:41SPEAKERand in like 15 years, we're gonna be talking about it

1:04:43SPEAKERlike it was an inflection point for toys being smart

1:04:47SPEAKER'cause it's a smart way to make toys smart.

1:04:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:04:50SPEAKER- Honestly, the solid state battery shipping

1:04:52SPEAKERin an actual vehicle seems like it might be small,

1:04:55SPEAKERa small fry right now, but it seems like

1:04:57SPEAKERin terms of potential future impact,

1:04:59SPEAKERthat's probably the biggest deal.

1:05:01SPEAKER- 100%.

1:05:02SPEAKERI mean, look, Dave Filoni came out for that Lego thing,

1:05:04SPEAKERthough he wasn't there for the solid state batteries.

1:05:06SPEAKER- Did he have his hat on?

1:05:07SPEAKER- He did, and Chewbacca was there too,

1:05:09SPEAKERand R2-D2 and C-3PO.

1:05:10SPEAKER- Wow, you mean all the characters,

1:05:14SPEAKERthey don't have to pay like an expensive actor?

1:05:16SPEAKER- It's interesting, what a coincidence.

1:05:18SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:05:19SPEAKERLook, Chewbacca threw his arms up and made the sound,

1:05:21SPEAKERthat's all I cared about.

1:05:22SPEAKER- Yep.

1:05:24SPEAKER- I'll hug, any time I see Chewbacca,

1:05:25SPEAKERChewbacca's getting a hug, that's all I'm gonna say.

1:05:27SPEAKER- Wait, you've hugged Chewbacca before?

1:05:29SPEAKER- I've hugged a Chewbacca, yeah.

1:05:30SPEAKER- Man, man. - You've not?

1:05:31SPEAKER- I have not hugged a Wookie.

1:05:33SPEAKER- Would you not hug a Wookie?

1:05:34SPEAKER- I'm not saying I wouldn't.

1:05:35SPEAKER- Okay, don't Wookie hug shame me.

1:05:38SPEAKER- If conditions were right.

1:05:40SPEAKER- Okay, on that note, the conditions are right

1:05:44SPEAKERfor us to wrap this episode up.

1:05:45SPEAKERThanks everybody for hanging out, thanks for listening.

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1:07:15SPEAKER- Yes, thank you, thank you.

1:07:16SPEAKER- I just wanna say, I think Bunny Hate Machine

1:07:18SPEAKERis probably going through their,

1:07:21SPEAKERrevisiting early '90s Nine Inch Nails,

1:07:23SPEAKERmaybe late '80s Nine Inch Nails.

1:07:24SPEAKER- Okay, yes, sure, yes, that didn't click with me

1:07:27SPEAKERuntil you said it, and now, of course.

1:07:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:29SPEAKER- You know, the one thing we didn't save,

1:07:31SPEAKERthe one word I considered saying on this thing

1:07:33SPEAKERout of CES and did not is Wi-Fi 8.

1:07:36SPEAKER- Oh, you wanna do a post?

1:07:38SPEAKERWe can talk about Wi-Fi 8.

1:07:39SPEAKER- I don't know if there's much to say.

1:07:41SPEAKER- I mean, we'll do another episode on it at some point.

1:07:42SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, we'll get around to it.

1:07:44SPEAKER- I'm still on Wi-Fi 5.

1:07:46SPEAKER- But the pre-spec hardware is shipping,

1:07:48SPEAKERand so there's a bunch of Wi-Fi routers that are Wi-Fi 8.

1:07:53SPEAKERThey are pre-spec, which means you probably will be able

1:07:55SPEAKERto upgrade them to Wi-Fi 8 when the time comes.

1:07:59SPEAKER- Oh, really?

1:08:00SPEAKERI always assumed you were gated by the hardware

1:08:02SPEAKERon that stuff and that you might miss out on features.

1:08:04SPEAKER- No, so the hardware is final, though.

1:08:06SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

1:08:07SPEAKER- The software is still being finalized.

1:08:08SPEAKER- Got it, that makes sense, okay.

1:08:10SPEAKER- I don't buy pre-release Wi-Fi stuff for pretty good reasons.

1:08:15SPEAKER- I don't think I even buy early to mid-finalized Wi-Fi stuff.

1:08:19SPEAKERI always feel like buying into the tail end

1:08:21SPEAKERor close to the end of a Wi-Fi generation

1:08:23SPEAKERis usually the safe bet.

1:08:25SPEAKER- I think in the old days,

1:08:27SPEAKERwhen you were going from B to G to N,

1:08:29SPEAKERit made sense to get on as early as you could

1:08:31SPEAKER'cause those jumps were enormous.

1:08:33SPEAKERNow, unless you have a specific need to upgrade,

1:08:36SPEAKERthere's very little reason to upgrade.

1:08:38SPEAKERLike, already my Wi-Fi 6 stuff is faster

1:08:41SPEAKERthan my upstream internet connection is, so.

1:08:43SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I was all ready to buy

1:08:46SPEAKERa TP-Link Omata Wi-Fi 7 access point.

1:08:49SPEAKER- Yeah, you mean enemies of the state TP-Link Omata?

1:08:52SPEAKER- Yes, enemy of the state TP-Link.

1:08:54SPEAKERNow I'm having second thoughts.

1:08:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, they're not gonna turn it off.

1:08:58SPEAKERIt'll just be on a list.

1:09:03SPEAKERWell, that'll do it for us this week.

1:09:04SPEAKERThanks, everybody, for listening.

1:09:05SPEAKERAnd as always, please consider the environment

1:09:08SPEAKERbefore pitching this podcast.