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00:00SPEAKER- Hey Brad, I got something else

00:01SPEAKERat the Nintendo event last week.

00:02SPEAKER- How fun, did you get like the little side grips

00:05SPEAKERthat make it easier to hold?

00:06SPEAKER- Oh man, I wish.

00:06SPEAKER- Or like a screen protector or?

00:09SPEAKER- Look, if anybody has side grip recommendations

00:11SPEAKERthat they like, I know the D brand one is coming in July

00:14SPEAKERand there's a couple others people are pretty stoked for,

00:17SPEAKERbut I got the Rona.

00:18SPEAKER- Oh, Rona 64, is that like a new?

00:22SPEAKER- No, it's the nine, it's the bad one, the 19.

00:25SPEAKERYou don't want that one.

00:27SPEAKER- Oh, that could, okay.

00:28SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it was a bad time.

00:31SPEAKER- I am sorry to hear that.

00:33SPEAKER- Look, I can think of worse ways to have gotten,

00:35SPEAKERlike the last time I got it,

00:36SPEAKERI got a truck stop on five, I think.

00:38SPEAKERSo this is probably better.

00:40SPEAKERIt feels like a classier strain, I don't know.

00:42SPEAKER- That's a very relative judgment, but sure.

00:45SPEAKERI'm glad to know I'm not the only one

00:47SPEAKERthat has played this game, I've only had it once.

00:49SPEAKER- Well, I'm on number two now.

00:51SPEAKER- There's probably a reason that you and I

00:52SPEAKERdo a podcast together, we think somewhat alike

00:54SPEAKERthat you immediately start going into the process

00:56SPEAKERof elimination of trying to figure out exactly

00:58SPEAKERwhere and how you got it and from whom

01:00SPEAKERby triangulating everywhere you went

01:02SPEAKERwith everyone you know who was there and got it or didn't.

01:04SPEAKER- Well, and the nice thing about my lifestyle choices

01:07SPEAKERis that they're relatively straightforward enough

01:10SPEAKERthat it's easy for me to triangulate

01:11SPEAKERon the number of strange people I see on a weekly basis.

01:17SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway, I went to the Nintendo event,

01:19SPEAKERwe talked about it last week,

01:20SPEAKERand on Friday afternoon evening,

01:23SPEAKERI started to kind of feel an allergy.

01:25SPEAKERMy voice is starting to get a little hinky already,

01:27SPEAKERI'm noticing, so apologies in advance.

01:29SPEAKER- So again, that was Wednesday night you went, right?

01:31SPEAKER- Wednesday night we went, yeah.

01:33SPEAKER- Friday you started feeling bad?

01:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it's right on the edge.

01:36SPEAKER- Okay, that sounds about, I think it was about two days

01:38SPEAKERfor me that one time.

01:39SPEAKER- Current strains are from like two to five days

01:42SPEAKERis what the internet said, so.

01:44SPEAKER- Oh, you mean they're still tracking strains?

01:45SPEAKER- I had to go to the Canadian site, yeah.

01:48SPEAKER- Great.

01:49SPEAKER- Anyway, it's been really mild, I've not been super sick,

01:51SPEAKERbut I've been isolating in the bedroom

01:53SPEAKERso as not to get my wife and daughter sick,

01:55SPEAKERwhich is I think the right thing to do still.

01:58SPEAKERAnd I've eaten, I've lost my sense of taste

02:02SPEAKERfor the first time, or smell I guess technically,

02:05SPEAKERlike the taste is still there.

02:07SPEAKER- Taste is, smell taste is somewhat downstream of smell,

02:09SPEAKERright?

02:10SPEAKER- It's really weird not being able to smell the smells

02:15SPEAKERwhen you eat stuff, because like, let's see,

02:19SPEAKERfancy seltzer water with flavor in it

02:21SPEAKERall tastes exactly the same.

02:22SPEAKERBut you really can isolate like a fudge sickle, for example,

02:26SPEAKERthere's a mouth feel to it, like a creamy unctuousness

02:30SPEAKERto the, whatever the petrochemical goo

02:32SPEAKERthat they make those things out of is.

02:34SPEAKER- Yes.

02:35SPEAKER- That your brain still is like, okay,

02:37SPEAKERthere's a little bit of chalky texture.

02:39SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

02:40SPEAKER- And there's some smoothness and your brain is like,

02:41SPEAKERyo, that's chocolate, I know that.

02:43SPEAKER- Your brain is interpolating some flavor from some texture?

02:46SPEAKER- Exactly, and like Diet Coke, I recognize Diet Coke.

02:51SPEAKER- But Dr. Pepper, nope, that tastes like nothing.

02:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it filters out the prunes entirely.

02:56SPEAKER- Wild, wait, hang on.

02:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

02:59SPEAKER- Are you saying there's prune flavor in Dr. Pepper?

03:02SPEAKER- Did you not know this?

03:03SPEAKER- What?

03:03SPEAKER- Yeah, one of the key flavors in Dr. Pepper

03:06SPEAKERand it's evil companion, Mr. Pibb prune.

03:10SPEAKER- No kidding, huh?

03:12SPEAKERStarted to make a joke about, now I'm feeling sick too,

03:14SPEAKERbut I actually confess

03:15SPEAKERthat I don't mind a prune now and again.

03:17SPEAKER- Dude, I love a prune.

03:18SPEAKER- Also, I just Googled it, the conventional wisdom

03:21SPEAKERis that Dr. Pepper is a prune juice-based soda.

03:24SPEAKERIt goes back to at least the '30s,

03:26SPEAKERbut the manufacturer has always denied this.

03:30SPEAKERLook what Big Pepper doesn't want you to know.

03:32SPEAKER- Yeah, well, at least Dr. Pepper

03:34SPEAKERdoesn't have prune-like effects

03:36SPEAKERon one's constitution, let's say.

03:39SPEAKER- Look, man, when you reach a certain point, you welcome,

03:42SPEAKERyou're like, how many prunes can I pack in in a day?

03:44SPEAKER- Remember when I said I like prunes?

03:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:46SPEAKER- I think the first time I ever really encountered prunes

03:49SPEAKERwas not that many years, I mean, it's been a while.

03:51SPEAKER- Probably as a baby, but then after that.

03:53SPEAKER- Oh, well, I mean, okay, the first time as an adult

03:55SPEAKERthat I remember encountering them, I was just like,

03:57SPEAKERoh, this is like a cool dried fruit,

03:59SPEAKERsort of like a giant raisin or something.

04:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:01SPEAKER- And ate a whole lot of them at one time.

04:02SPEAKER- Oh, no.

04:03SPEAKER- I was just like, oh, this is a good fruit,

04:05SPEAKERthis is a good dried fruit,

04:05SPEAKERI'm just going to eat a bunch of these.

04:07SPEAKER- Oh, no.

04:08SPEAKER- My girlfriend still mocks me for it to this day.

04:12SPEAKERI am not going to say anymore.

04:14SPEAKER- Did you have to replace the toilet or did it survive?

04:17SPEAKER- Let's just, thanks Dr. Pepper.

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04:48SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made at Tech Bot, I'm Will.

04:51SPEAKER- I'm Brad, instead of talking about

04:54SPEAKERawful gastrointestinal distress

04:56SPEAKERor your COVID nightmare or whatever.

04:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:00SPEAKER- I can't stop thinking about how we might be

05:01SPEAKERinside of a black hole.

05:02SPEAKER- What?

05:03SPEAKER- Did you see this?

05:04SPEAKER- No, I just have been watching the bad news this week.

05:05SPEAKER- Okay, how about some cosmological news

05:08SPEAKERor some astrophysical theorizing

05:11SPEAKERto take your mind off of terrestrial concerns.

05:14SPEAKER- Is this the story that started as

05:17SPEAKERthere might've been something before the big bang

05:19SPEAKERwas the headline?

05:19SPEAKER- It's, well, this is incredibly like theoretical.

05:23SPEAKERI don't mean like a grounded theory backed by evidence,

05:26SPEAKERlike theoretical model.

05:27SPEAKERI think this is more like theorizing.

05:30SPEAKER- Okay.

05:31SPEAKER- But it's kind of along those lines.

05:32SPEAKERApparently this came from,

05:34SPEAKERnone of this has to be taken super seriously.

05:35SPEAKERThis came from like University of Portsmouth in the UK.

05:38SPEAKER- That's not a real place.

05:39SPEAKER- Like some number of astrophysicists have suggested this.

05:43SPEAKERThere is a paper associated with this,

05:44SPEAKERbut which I have not read because I'm probably not capable,

05:47SPEAKERbut apparently it came from James Webb,

05:49SPEAKERobservations of distant galaxies.

05:51SPEAKER- You mean the just wonderful space telescope?

05:52SPEAKER- Yes, yes, the just wonderful, yes, that one.

05:55SPEAKERApparently way more galaxies are spinning

05:58SPEAKERin the same direction than they would expect to see

06:02SPEAKERin a truly random distribution.

06:04SPEAKER- Wait, is it the same distribution as left-handed people

06:06SPEAKERto right-handed people?

06:07SPEAKER- I don't know.

06:08SPEAKER- And kyrally right to kyrally left molecules.

06:10SPEAKERWhat if it all is, wow.

06:13SPEAKER- I'm gonna cut to the chase.

06:14SPEAKERThey are suggesting that perhaps our entire universe exists

06:17SPEAKERinside of a black hole in a parent universe.

06:19SPEAKER- Wow.

06:20SPEAKER- Which would mean that all of the physics,

06:22SPEAKERlike the everything about physical reality that we know

06:24SPEAKERis actually unique to the innards of this black hole,

06:27SPEAKERyou know, that like, I would assume that means

06:29SPEAKERthat different physical conditions might exist

06:32SPEAKERin the parent universe in which we exist.

06:34SPEAKER- Like we might have a different Planck's constant

06:35SPEAKERsomeplace else.

06:36SPEAKER- That's always my thought that like maybe big G

06:38SPEAKERand little G are different.

06:40SPEAKER- Wow.

06:41SPEAKER- And this could be, who knows?

06:43SPEAKERThis is not like, this is not, I don't think being taken

06:46SPEAKERas a seriously proposed like.

06:48SPEAKER- This is the kind of thing astrophysicists think about

06:50SPEAKERwhen they've taken too much NyQuil.

06:51SPEAKER- Well, yes, or, you know, when they're just looking

06:53SPEAKERat observational data and coming up with explanations

06:56SPEAKERor whatever, but like they're, you know,

06:58SPEAKERI think they might be trying to suggest that like,

07:00SPEAKERoh, this helps explain cosmic inflation and like et cetera.

07:04SPEAKERSo anyway. - The dark matter really

07:06SPEAKERis dark matter.

07:07SPEAKER- Right, I don't know.

07:08SPEAKERIt's just the idea that the idea that our entire universe

07:10SPEAKERmight be inside like one body in another universe

07:13SPEAKERis really breaking my head, even if it's not real.

07:15SPEAKER- Does that mean that we could theoretically communicate

07:18SPEAKERwith people outside of this universe?

07:20SPEAKER- I don't know. - If we had the power of love?

07:21SPEAKER- I don't know.

07:22SPEAKERWouldn't that black hole continue to consume matter?

07:25SPEAKER- But love transcends black holes.

07:26SPEAKERI learned that from interstellar.

07:27SPEAKER- Yeah, of course. - That's just fact.

07:29SPEAKER- Yes, of course.

07:31SPEAKER- Brad, it's, well, hold on.

07:32SPEAKERFirst off, I have two things, two points of order.

07:36SPEAKEROne is that I happened to be near the San Francisco,

07:40SPEAKERone of the public library branches,

07:41SPEAKERand I did not have a, my library card predated the time

07:45SPEAKERwhen like they had all the Libby and stuff support.

07:48SPEAKERSo it lapsed, like they lapsed them at some point over

07:51SPEAKERwhen you haven't used it for like 10 years

07:52SPEAKERto check out a book or something.

07:53SPEAKERAnd I wasn't able to use my old library card for Libby,

07:57SPEAKERthe online book thing.

07:59SPEAKERSo I was at this playground with my daughter

08:02SPEAKERand she was playing on the playground.

08:03SPEAKERI was like, I'm gonna go into the library

08:05SPEAKERand I got a fresh new library card

08:07SPEAKERand I'm gonna go and tell you, the librarian there,

08:10SPEAKERI told the librarian what I was doing.

08:11SPEAKERShe was like, yeah, anybody in California

08:12SPEAKERcan get a San Francisco library card.

08:13SPEAKERYou just have to be here.

08:14SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, it's like, yeah,

08:16SPEAKERalmost all the big cities in California are like that.

08:18SPEAKERI have a whole collection of them.

08:20SPEAKER- Oh my God, I should have gotten an LA library card

08:22SPEAKERlast weekend. - This is my pro tip

08:24SPEAKERis when you go to a big city in your state,

08:26SPEAKERsign up for a library card

08:27SPEAKERbecause the collection of the San Francisco Public Library

08:30SPEAKERfor eBooks is so much bigger than the San Mateo County one,

08:34SPEAKERdespite having basically the same number of people

08:36SPEAKERliving in them, it's highly recommended.

08:40SPEAKER- Interesting. - Yeah.

08:42SPEAKER- Is that something that applies to other states

08:44SPEAKERto your knowledge or is that just a California thing?

08:46SPEAKER- I have not gone that far,

08:47SPEAKERbut I'm gonna say it's just, you know,

08:50SPEAKERget more library cards.

08:51SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

08:52SPEAKER- It'll have a whole big ream of them.

08:53SPEAKER- Have a whole thing, just a whole key chain full.

08:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so the other thing is I've been playing

08:58SPEAKERa bunch of Tears of the Kingdom on the Switch too

09:00SPEAKERfor obvious reasons.

09:02SPEAKER- Mm-hmm, well, multiple obvious reasons.

09:04SPEAKERI mean, you're sequestered

09:05SPEAKERand you have a brand new piece of hardware

09:07SPEAKERthat runs it much better.

09:08SPEAKERI've seen some footage of both of Zelda's

09:11SPEAKERrunning on that Switch and boy, does that look good.

09:13SPEAKER- Like the game's actually playable now.

09:15SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

09:16SPEAKER- I remember being so frustrated by the movement

09:18SPEAKERthe first time I tried to play it on the Switch one

09:19SPEAKERthat I just stopped playing it after about 25 hours

09:22SPEAKERbecause I kept missing jumps

09:23SPEAKERthat I should have been hit because of frame rate.

09:25SPEAKERRight, people mocked me when that game came out

09:27SPEAKERand I suggested maybe I'll play it someday

09:29SPEAKERon a better Switch.

09:30SPEAKERWell, who's laughing now?

09:32SPEAKER- Do you have a better Switch yet?

09:34SPEAKER- I don't.

09:35SPEAKER- Oh.

09:35SPEAKER(laughing)

09:36SPEAKER- Yes, I know, I am.

09:38SPEAKERNow I'm playing the stock tracking game actually.

09:40SPEAKER- Ooh.

09:41SPEAKER- I am not sure I've really ever done this

09:43SPEAKERin modern history actually because like until recently

09:46SPEAKERwe got sent most hardware like this that we needed to cover.

09:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:50SPEAKER- And when we didn't, I just kind of had

09:52SPEAKERa soft personal rule of I'll just buy it

09:54SPEAKERwhen I can just buy it.

09:55SPEAKERYou know, like I've always just kind of chosen

09:58SPEAKERto not play the stock tracking game.

10:00SPEAKERI've always just told myself like just chill out

10:02SPEAKERand wait until it's just there and you can buy it on a lark

10:04SPEAKERand not have to like snipe a thing, you know?

10:07SPEAKER- Did you tell Nintendo, did you express interest

10:10SPEAKERin purchasing a Switch when the time was right?

10:12SPEAKER- I did, I have not heard anything from them.

10:13SPEAKER- Well, the good news is that on June 10th at 7.20 PM

10:18SPEAKERtwo days ago, I got an email that said good news,

10:22SPEAKERNintendo Switch 2 plus Mario Kart World Bundle

10:24SPEAKERis waiting for you, thanks for waiting, it's your turn.

10:27SPEAKER- Okay, well maybe we'll talk later, I don't know.

10:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:30SPEAKER- It seems like they're just getting out there though,

10:31SPEAKERlike Tom's or some site that I found

10:35SPEAKERthat has a stock tracker that's updating

10:36SPEAKERevery time somebody gets them back in stock

10:38SPEAKERand like Best Buy has already had another round

10:40SPEAKERof restocks since launch day, like five days later.

10:43SPEAKER- Yeah, Costco and Best Buy both seem to have had a bunch.

10:45SPEAKER- It seems like they will just be coming in stock somewhat.

10:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:49SPEAKER- Routinely?

10:50SPEAKER- Oh, but what we're here to talk about this week,

10:53SPEAKERwe were gonna talk about Google IO and then WWDC

10:56SPEAKERand then we looked at the stuff that was at Google IO

10:58SPEAKERand we're like, that looks horrible and boring

11:00SPEAKERand it's a bunch of AI garbage.

11:02SPEAKER- They put up, Google put up a blog post

11:03SPEAKERthat's entitled 100 things we announced at Google IO.

11:07SPEAKER- 92 of them were AI.

11:08SPEAKER- And seriously, like 80% or more of those 100 things

11:12SPEAKERwere AI related, I was just like, I'd pass, I think.

11:15SPEAKER- Brad, do you need an API that's gonna help you

11:18SPEAKERget your token spend under control?

11:19SPEAKER- Of course I do.

11:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:21SPEAKER- I've been asking for this.

11:22SPEAKERThis is what you, it's just what the kids crave.

11:25SPEAKERSo anyway, this is what they announced at WWDC,

11:28SPEAKERwhat's coming to iOS and macOS.

11:30SPEAKERIt's kind of like, I was a little surprised

11:34SPEAKERat the tech press coverage of this

11:36SPEAKERbecause it was generally kind of negative.

11:39SPEAKERAnd I watched, so I watched this,

11:40SPEAKERI didn't read any of the press

11:41SPEAKERuntil after I watched the keynote.

11:42SPEAKERI watched the keynote this morning

11:44SPEAKERand I came out of it kind of optimistic

11:47SPEAKERand like excited about most of the stuff that they showed.

11:50SPEAKER- Interesting, okay, I'll say this was happening

11:52SPEAKERas I was wrapping up Summer Game Fest/Travel.

11:55SPEAKERI think this was, this started Monday, right?

11:57SPEAKER- It was Monday, yeah.

11:57SPEAKER- Okay, Monday was the last day of the thing

11:59SPEAKERand then Tuesday I was coming home

12:00SPEAKERand like all I saw on my feed was about liquid glass.

12:03SPEAKERThat's like all that was penetrating.

12:05SPEAKER- I mean, so the context for this is that

12:09SPEAKERthe day, a couple of days before maybe,

12:11SPEAKERthey announced, they released a white paper,

12:15SPEAKERlike a research paper that they'd done

12:17SPEAKERabout the new LLM,

12:22SPEAKERlike the thinking models that have rolled out

12:24SPEAKERfrom all the major AI providers,

12:25SPEAKERGoogle, Anthropic, OpenAI, and the like.

12:29SPEAKER- Sorry, who is they here?

12:31SPEAKER- Apple, Apple did this.

12:33SPEAKERSo usually if Apple sends out something

12:35SPEAKERprior to like a big keynote or a big event

12:37SPEAKERor something like that, they're signaling something, right?

12:40SPEAKERThere's like, there's a lot of like,

12:42SPEAKERthere's a lot of like reading the tea leaves with Apple PR.

12:44SPEAKERIt's like Queen Elizabeth and the brooches, right?

12:48SPEAKERLike she wears this, they do shit to snub people

12:51SPEAKERor to pre-warn that things are gonna be good

12:54SPEAKERor bad or wild or boring.

12:57SPEAKER- This is a passive aggressive white paper

12:58SPEAKERis what you're saying?

12:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, they could have released it

13:02SPEAKERtwo days after and nobody would have noticed it.

13:03SPEAKER- Okay.

13:04SPEAKER- But the white paper basically,

13:06SPEAKERthe gist of the white paper is that they built,

13:11SPEAKERthey built a series of tests.

13:12SPEAKERSo they looked at the way people are testing

13:13SPEAKERthe existing thinking models and thinking models

13:15SPEAKERare the ones that do like long chain of thought processing.

13:17SPEAKERAnd the idea is that they can solve complicated problems.

13:20SPEAKERThey can do reasoning rather than just pattern matching.

13:23SPEAKERAnd people test them with mathematical problems

13:25SPEAKERand stuff like that.

13:26SPEAKERBut their point was when they do the testing

13:29SPEAKERwith mathematical models, they find that there's interfere,

13:32SPEAKERthere actually is pattern matching happening

13:34SPEAKERin those systems.

13:36SPEAKERAnd they devised a series of tests

13:39SPEAKERbased on simple logic puzzles that can scale.

13:41SPEAKERThings like the thing with the three poles and the rings

13:43SPEAKERand you have to move the rings from one to the other,

13:45SPEAKERonly moving one at a time.

13:47SPEAKERAnd you can't go higher than a certain point.

13:49SPEAKERBut you can have like an infinite number of poles

13:51SPEAKERand an almost infinite number of rings

13:53SPEAKERand still have a solvable puzzle

13:55SPEAKERwhere you're sorting the rings by color

13:56SPEAKERonto the different poles or whatever.

13:59SPEAKEROr the other one is like the wolf and the dog and the sheep

14:02SPEAKERhave to cross the river on a boat

14:05SPEAKERand it can only hold two at a time.

14:07SPEAKERYou have to get, not have the wolf and the sheep

14:09SPEAKERnext to each other at the same time

14:10SPEAKERor else the wolf will eat the sheep.

14:12SPEAKERAnd so they set up a series of those problems for it

14:17SPEAKERand they found the TLDR is that it was pretty good

14:20SPEAKERat mid complexity problems.

14:22SPEAKERIt was terrible, worse than LLMs at low complexity problems

14:26SPEAKERand completely melted down at high complexity problems

14:31SPEAKERand like gave up and stopped trying to solve the problem.

14:34SPEAKERStopped applying resources at inferring the problem

14:38SPEAKERusing the methods that had worked at the mid tier

14:41SPEAKERand theoretically should scale.

14:44SPEAKERAnyway, it's a kind of damning,

14:45SPEAKERlike the press was going around was,

14:47SPEAKERyo, this is Apple saying this AI shit is whack

14:50SPEAKERand they're gonna completely pull out

14:52SPEAKERfrom Apple Intelligence and all that in this WWDC keynote.

14:57SPEAKER- Yeah, because if less people forget

14:59SPEAKERthat was the big announcement at this time last year

15:02SPEAKERfor WWDC, right?

15:04SPEAKERLike that was when they debuted the term Apple Intelligence

15:06SPEAKERand rolled out the like smart LLM driven Siri

15:09SPEAKERand all that stuff.

15:09SPEAKERAnd then famously delayed it indefinitely a few months later.

15:13SPEAKER- Yeah, like it has a lot of that stuff

15:14SPEAKERhasn't shipped today.

15:15SPEAKERNow they're saying it's gonna be the end of this year

15:16SPEAKERfor some of the features they announced last year,

15:18SPEAKERwhich is like never happened.

15:20SPEAKERLike usually they ship stuff by September, October,

15:22SPEAKERmaybe Q1 at the latest.

15:23SPEAKER- Like very on Apple like to miss the mark that hard, right?

15:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so the TLDR is that's what they're coming into this

15:31SPEAKERand they launch it with maybe the worst,

15:34SPEAKERlike WWDC is where they go hardest on dad jokes

15:38SPEAKERfor Apple that they ever go.

15:40SPEAKERIt's where Craig Federangi announced

15:43SPEAKERthat one version of macOS was gonna be called Weed.

15:46SPEAKER- Like he did?

15:47SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a joke.

15:48SPEAKERIt was terrible.

15:49SPEAKERI think it was El Cap.

15:50SPEAKERI can't remember.

15:51SPEAKERBut he did a whole thing about how there's a little town

15:53SPEAKERout in Eastern California, Northeastern California

15:56SPEAKERthat blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

15:58SPEAKERAnd that's why we salute you macOS and Weed.

16:02SPEAKERTerrible.

16:03SPEAKERThis one, they had him driving an F1 car

16:05SPEAKERon the roof of the Apple, on the Apple circle.

16:08SPEAKER- Yeah, and then coming into round and round by rat.

16:11SPEAKER- Yeah, and also his hair was really high inside the helmet,

16:14SPEAKERwhich was pretty funny.

16:15SPEAKERThat was pretty good.

16:16SPEAKER- Which I'm sure that song was very popular

16:18SPEAKERwhen he was young, but I'm not sure what message

16:20SPEAKERthat sends now.

16:21SPEAKERI mean, look.

16:22SPEAKER- It's a very Tony Stark kind of-

16:24SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, for sure, sure.

16:25SPEAKER- They're definitely channeling early Robert Downey Jr.,

16:29SPEAKERMCU business there.

16:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I think just the time that the part of the MCU

16:32SPEAKERhas never been more popular, huh?

16:34SPEAKER- Look, the kids, let me tell you how the kids feel

16:37SPEAKERabout Ironheart.

16:39SPEAKERActually, the kids kinda like Ironheart in my house at least

16:41SPEAKER'cause there aren't enough girl superheroes, it turns out.

16:44SPEAKERBut anyway, the point is they came out and they were like,

16:50SPEAKER"Hey, we got a lot of big news."

16:53SPEAKERThey didn't come out and say immediately,

16:55SPEAKERthey didn't lead with,

16:56SPEAKER"Hey, we fucked up Apple intelligence last year."

16:59SPEAKERThey just kinda said, "Hey, we have more stuff coming."

17:02SPEAKERAnd then they were like, "Hey, the big thing is

17:04SPEAKERwe completely redesigned this for the first time

17:05SPEAKERsince iOS 7."

17:06SPEAKER- Yeah, which was, don't tell me, probably 2014 or 2015.

17:13SPEAKER- 2014, okay, that's sooner than I thought.

17:15SPEAKERBut it's still been quite a while.

17:18SPEAKERWe've been living with flat design ever since, right?

17:20SPEAKER- Yeah, the last one was when they took out

17:22SPEAKERall the skeuomorphic elements

17:23SPEAKERfrom the initial iPhone rollout, right?

17:25SPEAKERIt was the first major iOS redesign

17:27SPEAKERand it was when they got rid of the yellow memo pad

17:32SPEAKERnote lines on the notepad

17:34SPEAKERand the wood on the back of the calendar

17:35SPEAKERand all that stuff. - Wood green, yes.

17:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's been a long time.

17:39SPEAKERAnd they've changed some design elements here and there,

17:43SPEAKERbut there's a lot of stuff that's been really,

17:44SPEAKERreally stagnant in that time.

17:46SPEAKERLike the kind of push and hold thing that pops up

17:49SPEAKERwhen you try to copy and paste something

17:51SPEAKERhas been essentially unchanged for 12 years-ish now,

17:58SPEAKERnot to bury the lead.

17:59SPEAKERThe new one's called Liquid Glass, rather,

18:02SPEAKERand it's a bunch of transparent glass elements.

18:06SPEAKER- I'm not sure how I feel about the amount of transparency.

18:09SPEAKERI mean, like the very first thing I thought when I saw it

18:11SPEAKERwas like, boy, they have shipped

18:12SPEAKERa lot of fast graphics hardware

18:14SPEAKERsince the last time they did one of these.

18:15SPEAKERLike literally everything they make can do transparency

18:19SPEAKERwithout breaking a sweat at this point.

18:20SPEAKERAnd they are really gonna flex on that.

18:22SPEAKER- Everything's free.

18:23SPEAKERAll the things that were expensive

18:25SPEAKERwhen we did this with Vista in like, what, 2005?

18:28SPEAKER- Six, six is when Vista came out, yeah.

18:31SPEAKER- Yeah, all that stuff's free now.

18:32SPEAKER- God, this really is just Aero Glass, isn't it?

18:34SPEAKER- I didn't wanna see, yeah.

18:35SPEAKERI mean, look, I went and looked up

18:37SPEAKERa bunch of Vista screenshots.

18:38SPEAKERI was like, oh right, we did all this.

18:40SPEAKER(laughing)

18:41SPEAKER- I don't know, I don't know about this.

18:44SPEAKER- Well, so the thing that surprised me

18:47SPEAKERlooking at the stills is that they don't look

18:50SPEAKERa whole lot different than what we have right now.

18:52SPEAKER- I guess not.

18:52SPEAKERI might, I'll just say right now,

18:54SPEAKERmy biggest concern is just legibility.

18:56SPEAKERLike I'm afraid that they may have gone too far

18:59SPEAKERin the transparent direction.

19:00SPEAKERI mean, obviously it is,

19:01SPEAKERa lot of it is like semi-translucent.

19:03SPEAKERIt's very blurred out.

19:04SPEAKER- Frosted glass.

19:05SPEAKER- Yeah, frosted, but still like just looking

19:07SPEAKERat even some of the videos I've seen,

19:09SPEAKERlike the amount of color bleeding through behind

19:11SPEAKERbutton and text elements that you really want to be clear

19:14SPEAKERand like extremely legible at a glance

19:16SPEAKERis kind of concerning to me.

19:17SPEAKER- There were places in the demos that they showed,

19:20SPEAKERlike the Safari, they showed Safari,

19:22SPEAKERwhich has the tab bar at the bottom.

19:24SPEAKERAnd it's like a transparent piece of glass

19:26SPEAKERnow that floats on top of the webpage

19:28SPEAKERwhere the text in the tab bar was illegible.

19:32SPEAKER- Yeah. - Illegible?

19:32SPEAKER- Illegible.

19:33SPEAKER- Illegible, yeah. - Illegible.

19:35SPEAKERBecause of the transparency.

19:36SPEAKER- Right, yeah. - And the thin font.

19:38SPEAKER- And I'm sure it'll get better.

19:39SPEAKERI'm sure they'll like subtly tweak it over the next

19:44SPEAKERiOS 26.1 will probably look better than 26

19:48SPEAKERbecause we'll talk about the versioning later.

19:50SPEAKERLike I'm sure they'll tweak it a little bit here and there,

19:52SPEAKERbut I still am not sure this was the right call.

19:54SPEAKERAnd what are the odds that they're gonna let you

19:56SPEAKERhave any control whatsoever over opacity

19:58SPEAKERand stuff like that, like zero, right?

20:00SPEAKER- I bet they will 'cause of accessibility reasons.

20:02SPEAKERYeah, 'cause they need to make it accessible

20:03SPEAKERfor high contrast users.

20:04SPEAKER- Yeah, that is always an option,

20:07SPEAKERbut it never feels like the ideal option

20:08SPEAKERbecause it's usually just a global toggle.

20:10SPEAKERYou know, it's either like,

20:12SPEAKERit's either have all of our effects as animated

20:14SPEAKERand as in your face as we think they should be

20:16SPEAKERor turn literally everything off

20:17SPEAKERand make it like completely inert.

20:19SPEAKERLike they never just let you toggle

20:21SPEAKERor slider individual effects really.

20:24SPEAKER- Yeah, unfortunately I don't have a burner iPhone

20:27SPEAKERthat I can just like, that's old enough to, you know,

20:30SPEAKERrun beta OS's on, but is not something I'd use

20:34SPEAKERon the day to day anymore.

20:36SPEAKERBut I thought, so basically my takeaway

20:40SPEAKERon this whole thing, well, there's two things.

20:41SPEAKERI really liked this segment, the way they showed this

20:43SPEAKER'cause they clearly were showing things

20:45SPEAKERthat people who worked on the product were excited about

20:47SPEAKERand that they felt were like substantive upgrades for users

20:52SPEAKERin a way that we haven't seen in these press conferences

20:55SPEAKERin a long time and that we don't see from other companies.

20:58SPEAKERLike other companies are just talking about new things

21:00SPEAKERthat they're shoving down our throats

21:02SPEAKERthat nobody really wants.

21:03SPEAKERAnd this is, I mean, this is, okay,

21:06SPEAKERyou could argue that a complete UI redesign

21:08SPEAKERis something that nobody really wants

21:09SPEAKERand they're just shoving down our throats,

21:11SPEAKERbut at least it's not shitty AI, a slop in the end.

21:17SPEAKERThis is good old human innovation.

21:20SPEAKERI think like this to me looks like a thing

21:24SPEAKERthat came out of the light and dark mode changes

21:26SPEAKERthat happened over the last few years.

21:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I think isn't light and dark

21:31SPEAKERkind of one of the first things they show in the video?

21:33SPEAKER- They lead with that.

21:34SPEAKERAnd if you've experimented with that stuff at all,

21:36SPEAKERit's really hard to make the kind of color shifted icons

21:40SPEAKERthat they rolled out last year look good.

21:43SPEAKERPartly because the app isn't really able to do,

21:48SPEAKERlike it doesn't understand how the icons work, right?

21:52SPEAKERLike the tools can do it for the Apple icons

21:54SPEAKER'cause I think they're just building

21:55SPEAKERa bazillion different versions of all the icons.

21:58SPEAKERBut I think that they needed to do some core

22:00SPEAKERunderlying technological changes to the way icons work

22:05SPEAKERin order for this to happen.

22:06SPEAKERAnd they get into it a little bit later

22:08SPEAKERand there's another session later on

22:09SPEAKERthat I watched bits and pieces of.

22:11SPEAKERBut it looks like they actually,

22:13SPEAKERlike in the icon forge thing or whatever it is

22:16SPEAKERthey call the icon creator toolkit now,

22:18SPEAKERit's actually, you're actually establishing layers

22:21SPEAKERlike a background layer, mid layers, forward layers,

22:24SPEAKERso that the OS both has transparency

22:26SPEAKERand depth information that's relevant.

22:29SPEAKERThe cool thing is,

22:30SPEAKERI don't know if you watched the actual keynote,

22:31SPEAKERbut it looked like for the design lab,

22:33SPEAKERthey had physical mockups of that stuff made.

22:35SPEAKER- That stuff, this is maybe a weird term,

22:37SPEAKERbut that stuff looked delicious.

22:38SPEAKERLike there's something about it,

22:39SPEAKERlike the part, first of all, it looked kind of fake.

22:42SPEAKERLike the, it almost looked like CG,

22:43SPEAKERthese little, these little, like, I think you.

22:47SPEAKER- Well, they looked like screens with like acrylic blocks

22:49SPEAKERthat you put on top of them.

22:50SPEAKER- Yeah, you theorize they're made out of acrylic,

22:52SPEAKERbut they just look like these little oval glass shapes

22:55SPEAKERthat you can slide around almost like the slider

22:57SPEAKERon a Ouija board or something just to like refract

22:59SPEAKERwhatever's underneath them in a way

23:01SPEAKERthat looks like very tasty.

23:03SPEAKER- Yeah, so it looked like, I guess my point is,

23:06SPEAKERI think the screens looked the same as the current OS

23:09SPEAKERfor all, but people who are real nerds.

23:11SPEAKERI think when you actually see it moving

23:13SPEAKERand you see the animations and stuff being really fluid,

23:16SPEAKERactually running at the 120 frames a second

23:18SPEAKERand like picking up and I think it's one of those things

23:23SPEAKERthat you're gonna look at after like three months

23:25SPEAKERof using the new OS and you're gonna go back to a device

23:28SPEAKERthat's running the old OS

23:29SPEAKERand it's gonna feel like going back in time.

23:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I could probably see that.

23:32SPEAKERI mean, the fluidity of the animating elements

23:35SPEAKERis probably the best part of it,

23:36SPEAKERwhich I assume is where the liquid part

23:37SPEAKERof liquid glass came in.

23:38SPEAKERThey wanted something that felt like it was sort of flowing

23:40SPEAKERacross the screen.

23:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:43SPEAKER- 'Cause a lot of these menus like move and stretch

23:45SPEAKERand reform themselves like very, in a very animated way.

23:48SPEAKER- They pour.

23:49SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

23:50SPEAKER- Like the context menu that pops up when you,

23:54SPEAKERwhen you like long press a word in a text document

23:56SPEAKERor something now they showed a couple of times

23:58SPEAKERand it doesn't just appear, it doesn't just snap into place

24:00SPEAKERlike it does on Windows when you right click.

24:02SPEAKERIt kind of just, it kind of like pours up

24:05SPEAKERout of where your finger is

24:07SPEAKERand then you can move up to the selection.

24:10SPEAKER- Yeah, on a touch device,

24:11SPEAKERI think that makes a certain amount of sense.

24:12SPEAKERLike unlike the transparency, the like runaway refraction,

24:16SPEAKERrefractive elements everywhere,

24:17SPEAKERlike the stretching and growing menus,

24:20SPEAKERfeel like there's a lot of usability potential there.

24:23SPEAKERIt seems, I don't know, it seems good.

24:25SPEAKERIt's exciting to see something new and different

24:27SPEAKERfor the first time in a long time there.

24:30SPEAKER- Well, I'll give it a shot.

24:30SPEAKERAlso, we don't have a choice

24:32SPEAKERif you're gonna keep using Apple products

24:33SPEAKER'cause this is across the entire line.

24:34SPEAKERLike this is, this is a company wide effort

24:37SPEAKERon every device that they ship.

24:38SPEAKER- Yep, I mean, that's, look, that's the Apple way, right?

24:41SPEAKER- Yep, yep.

24:43SPEAKER- I do, I would give anything to get a chance

24:45SPEAKERto go into that design lab and see the physical ephemera

24:49SPEAKERthat they made for this stuff.

24:51SPEAKERI mean, it looks incredible.

24:52SPEAKER- Do you think, do you think they made those

24:54SPEAKERjust as a showpiece for this video

24:56SPEAKERor were they actually using those in the lab

24:58SPEAKERfor like visibility testing or something?

25:01SPEAKER- I would, I would, I can't imagine they would go through

25:04SPEAKERthat for making those just for this video.

25:06SPEAKER- Yeah, you're probably right.

25:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it also looks like they changed the curve

25:10SPEAKERon window edges for the first time in a really long time.

25:13SPEAKERLike that's famously a Steve Jobs thing

25:15SPEAKERfrom like the Dawn of the Mac.

25:17SPEAKER- What, like the angle of the curve

25:19SPEAKERhad to be exactly specific degrees?

25:21SPEAKER- There's no right angles in nature, man.

25:24SPEAKERAnd it was that the curve, it looks like the curve

25:27SPEAKERmatches the curve on the bottom of modern phones.

25:29SPEAKER- Yeah, that would make sense.

25:31SPEAKER- Yeah, so I thought that was interesting.

25:34SPEAKER- I still hate rounded corners,

25:36SPEAKERbut that ship seems to have long sailed at this point.

25:41SPEAKER- I mean, you get a galaxy note.

25:43SPEAKER- It's true, yeah.

25:44SPEAKER- I think I would guess that that's one of the,

25:49SPEAKERif they have actually changed that curve,

25:51SPEAKERI haven't looked at the design docs yet to see,

25:53SPEAKERbut if they actually change that,

25:54SPEAKERI would assume that killing a thing

25:56SPEAKERthat's a holdover of Steve

25:58SPEAKERwas a fairly significant undertaking at the current Apple.

26:03SPEAKER- You mean just getting people on board with the change?

26:05SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

26:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:09SPEAKER- It's been gone a while now.

26:11SPEAKER- That's 13 or 14 years, right?

26:12SPEAKER- Yes, for almost 14.

26:14SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's almost 14 years.

26:15SPEAKERAll the speaking of long standing Apple elements

26:19SPEAKERthat have changed here, and speaking of icon design.

26:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:22SPEAKER- I have to agree with Gruber

26:23SPEAKERthat the new finder icon sucks.

26:26SPEAKERIt doesn't look right.

26:28SPEAKER- They changed the sides.

26:29SPEAKERIt's like now we're on that Star Trek planet

26:32SPEAKERwhere the people have the white faces on the right side

26:34SPEAKERand the left, and now that we're on the evil planet,

26:36SPEAKERthe evil side of the planet.

26:37SPEAKER- That's exactly what, I mean, yes,

26:38SPEAKERthey inverted the colors on the finder icon

26:40SPEAKERand it just does not look right anymore.

26:41SPEAKERLike the facial, the profile of the face just looks.

26:45SPEAKER- Evil, Brad. - Yes.

26:46SPEAKER- I just want to kill him.

26:47SPEAKERI want to kill the finder.

26:48SPEAKER- It's an evil finder icon.

26:50SPEAKER- I think that they're going to kill the finder

26:51SPEAKERand they're going to replace it with files soon.

26:53SPEAKER- Oh God, no, wait, what?

26:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:56SPEAKER- Like on Mac OS, on everything?

26:58SPEAKER- Well, there's no finder on anything but Mac OS.

27:00SPEAKERThe finder's a Mac OS only thing.

27:01SPEAKER- Oh, sure, sure.

27:02SPEAKER- Yeah, files is the finder on iOS.

27:04SPEAKER- If I can be pedantic,

27:05SPEAKERfinder is the entire graphical shell in Mac OS.

27:08SPEAKERSo I guess what you're really talking about

27:09SPEAKERis like a finder file.

27:10SPEAKERLike on Windows, it's called File Explorer, right?

27:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:13SPEAKER- Like what we're talking about is the window

27:15SPEAKERthat lets you browse files, right?

27:16SPEAKERLike that is also a finder window,

27:18SPEAKERalthough finder technically is bigger than just that.

27:21SPEAKER- Okay, fair.

27:22SPEAKER- But anyway.

27:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I had that down in the list of things

27:28SPEAKERto be angry about later on.

27:29SPEAKER- Oh, I'm sorry, I missed that in the notes.

27:31SPEAKERI couldn't contain myself.

27:32SPEAKER- No, I mean, look, as often happens after WWDC,

27:37SPEAKERI went over to the Daring Fireball

27:38SPEAKERand checked out to see what Jon Gruber has to say,

27:40SPEAKER'cause he's usually fairly insightful

27:43SPEAKERand that was the one that jumped out at me too, so.

27:47SPEAKER- I'm, look, at least this time we have the hardware

27:53SPEAKERto do the kind of blending and stuff

27:55SPEAKERthat's needed to make this look good

27:57SPEAKERand seamless and performant

27:59SPEAKERwithout killing battery life and all that, so.

28:01SPEAKER- Absolutely.

28:03SPEAKER- They ran down component upgrades.

28:06SPEAKERThere's not a ton of stuff to get into here

28:08SPEAKER'cause a lot of it's kind of tedious.

28:11SPEAKERI think that like this is the first time ever

28:14SPEAKERthat they've stripped down the camera

28:15SPEAKERin a way that I'm happy about.

28:17SPEAKERLike right now, if you open up the iOS camera,

28:19SPEAKERit has a million options on the bottom,

28:21SPEAKERlike video, cinematic, photo, portrait, spatial, pano.

28:25SPEAKERAnd somehow whenever I open it,

28:28SPEAKERit always ends up on the pano side.

28:30SPEAKER- Like every, just about every year

28:32SPEAKERwhen we inevitably talk something about WWDC every year,

28:36SPEAKERcamera, the grand camera portion,

28:38SPEAKERI just don't use camera on my phone very often,

28:40SPEAKERso I just feel kind of not left out,

28:42SPEAKERbut I just don't identify with much of the camera talk

28:44SPEAKER'cause I just don't, finally now,

28:48SPEAKERfinally one of the things they've changed here

28:50SPEAKERwould be inadvertently ending up on the pano setting.

28:52SPEAKER- I don't know how it happens.

28:55SPEAKEREvery time.

28:55SPEAKER- It's all the way at the end of the options.

28:57SPEAKERI guess it's just, if you are brushing your screen

29:00SPEAKERas you go to the camera,

29:01SPEAKERit's just inevitably gonna end up there.

29:03SPEAKER- I don't, I really don't understand.

29:05SPEAKERI've taken like one panogram photo in the last 12 years

29:08SPEAKERand it's always the one that it opens to.

29:11SPEAKERSo there's two options now, photo and video,

29:14SPEAKERand then if you want more detail in there,

29:16SPEAKERif you wanna go to a portrait or something, you can.

29:18SPEAKERBut yeah, and then I think you can also deep link

29:21SPEAKERwith the deep link button if you so desire.

29:23SPEAKERSo that's a good change as far as I can tell.

29:29SPEAKERThe Safari stuff we talked about already.

29:32SPEAKERFaceTime controls have moved to the bottom now

29:34SPEAKERinstead of the top, which is a good change.

29:36SPEAKERI think more controls at the bottom is good,

29:38SPEAKERespecially as phones get bigger.

29:40SPEAKERThe CarPlay stuff that they showed was kind of interesting.

29:45SPEAKERThe one that I thought was cool was the CarPlay Ultra thing,

29:49SPEAKERwhich is the new, I don't know if you've heard about this,

29:51SPEAKERbut this is, so.

29:53SPEAKER- I've heard the name.

29:54SPEAKERIs this something that your car or your dash unit

29:57SPEAKERhas to explicitly support?

29:58SPEAKER- Oh yeah, of course. - Of course, of course.

30:00SPEAKER- So CarPlay Ultra does two things.

30:03SPEAKERIt gives the phone control over your like

30:07SPEAKERinstrument cluster video screen.

30:09SPEAKER- Oh yes, this is the thing they announced

30:11SPEAKERin conjunction with Aston Martin, right?

30:13SPEAKER- Yeah, with a $200,000 car, yeah.

30:14SPEAKER- I guess that should tell you where this feature

30:17SPEAKERis targeted considering it's debuting in an Aston Martin.

30:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it'll trickle down over time.

30:22SPEAKER- But eventually.

30:23SPEAKER- But it also gives the, so right now,

30:27SPEAKERiOS doesn't have control over things like air conditioning

30:30SPEAKERand seat positioning and mirror placement and all that stuff.

30:33SPEAKERSo this moves those controls into CarPlay.

30:38SPEAKERWhich at the same time, the EU is saying,

30:40SPEAKERhey man, you need more buttons on your car units,

30:42SPEAKERnot let more screens, screens are bad and dangerous

30:45SPEAKERit turns out, like we all said 10 years ago.

30:47SPEAKER- Yes, I personally feel like the screen

30:49SPEAKERand touchscreen based stuff should be

30:52SPEAKERnon-car operation only.

30:54SPEAKER- Well. - Like music fine,

30:56SPEAKEReven maps fine, 'cause you don't need a map to drive a car,

30:58SPEAKERbut like anything that is touching climate control

31:01SPEAKERor seat orientation or like physical manipulation

31:04SPEAKERof anything in the car seems like a bad idea.

31:06SPEAKER- Well, so the good thing about moving this into CarPlay,

31:09SPEAKERthe bad thing is of course it's all,

31:11SPEAKERlike there are gonna be touchscreen interfaces

31:12SPEAKERfor all this.

31:13SPEAKERThe good thing is when you move it into CarPlay,

31:14SPEAKERyou can interact with it with Siri,

31:16SPEAKERwhich is much better than every in-car voice recognition

31:20SPEAKERthing I've ever used.

31:21SPEAKERSo like, if I could say, hey Siri,

31:23SPEAKERset the driver's side AC to 62 degrees,

31:28SPEAKERthat's gonna be better for me in the car.

31:30SPEAKERThat's the only good thing about this as far as I can tell.

31:34SPEAKERWell, and being able to see, I guess,

31:35SPEAKERwhat song is playing on the instrument cluster

31:37SPEAKERinstead of having to look over at the entertainment screen.

31:41SPEAKERBut again, your car has to support it.

31:43SPEAKERIt's only in like three cars right now.

31:45SPEAKERI think they said there are, oh,

31:48SPEAKERalso they added widgets to CarPlay,

31:50SPEAKERwhich seems like a terrible idea.

31:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:53SPEAKER- It seems like they're the same kind of widgets

31:55SPEAKERas are coming to the watch.

31:57SPEAKERAnd they're based on the kind of,

31:59SPEAKERI can't remember what they called it.

32:01SPEAKERThere's a name for it.

32:03SPEAKERThe thing that pops up when,

32:07SPEAKERGod, what is it?

32:08SPEAKERThe smart stack.

32:10SPEAKERSo it's basically based on the smart stack stuff,

32:12SPEAKERwhich is context-aware now.

32:13SPEAKER- Like the thing on the watch when you hit the boom?

32:15SPEAKERNo, it's not the home button.

32:16SPEAKERIt's when you swipe up from the bottom.

32:17SPEAKER- Yeah, swipe up from the bottom and it gives you like,

32:19SPEAKERbut also that has the option on the watch

32:22SPEAKERof coming up when you're doing specific things.

32:23SPEAKERLike if I have a podcast playing in the podcast,

32:26SPEAKERlike the smart stack comes up

32:27SPEAKERwith the podcast widget at the top,

32:29SPEAKERthe car stuff is gonna supposedly work the same,

32:31SPEAKERwhich seems nice.

32:35SPEAKERThe rest of the phone stuff, they're adding spam.

32:38SPEAKERThey, for the second or third year running,

32:40SPEAKERthey're talking about addressing spam

32:42SPEAKERin the phone and messages apps.

32:43SPEAKER- I was very excited.

32:44SPEAKERSo I didn't see the phone stuff.

32:45SPEAKERI did see the screening in the messages though.

32:47SPEAKERHow does the phone stuff work?

32:49SPEAKER- It had a spam notification on,

32:51SPEAKERpotential spam notification on the top,

32:53SPEAKERwhich I believe it already has.

32:54SPEAKER- I was gonna say, how was that different from,

32:56SPEAKER'cause you already get potential spam on current calls.

33:00SPEAKER- So now you can send it to screening

33:02SPEAKERwhere they start talking

33:04SPEAKERand then you have the choice to jump in if you want,

33:06SPEAKERwhich they kind of had before,

33:07SPEAKERbut it was just you listening to the voicemail,

33:09SPEAKERyou couldn't jump back in, I think.

33:10SPEAKER- I see.

33:12SPEAKER- This doesn't seem like a good fix

33:14SPEAKERfor the spam problem from where I sit.

33:16SPEAKERAnd this is firmly in the,

33:18SPEAKERhey, the carriers have a problem that Apple needs to address

33:21SPEAKER'cause it's impacting Apple users.

33:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:24SPEAKER- The hold assist thing seemed goofy.

33:26SPEAKERThis is like when you're on the call

33:28SPEAKERto some call center someplace,

33:29SPEAKERyou can just put it on hold

33:30SPEAKERand it'll notify you when they pick up,

33:32SPEAKERwhich they're just gonna hang up on you

33:34SPEAKERand then they're gonna do it again.

33:35SPEAKER- I was gonna say, unless you're very quick on the draw

33:37SPEAKERwith that notification,

33:38SPEAKERyou're probably just gonna lose your spot.

33:40SPEAKER- It does it by detecting hold music, which, anyway.

33:44SPEAKER- But still, unless you have the phone

33:45SPEAKERright in front of you with the screen facing you,

33:47SPEAKERthere seems way too much potential to just miss it.

33:50SPEAKER- I think I have an AirPod and it'll beep

33:52SPEAKERand I'll just type the AirPod, but anyway.

33:54SPEAKER- Actually, can I ask real quick?

33:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:57SPEAKER- Have you tested the Bluetooth audio on the Switch too,

34:00SPEAKERsince you're talking about AirPods?

34:01SPEAKER- I have not yet.

34:03SPEAKER- Would you be so kind when you feel like it?

34:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I will.

34:07SPEAKER- 'Cause I forgot that they had added Bluetooth audio

34:09SPEAKERto the Switch One at some point.

34:10SPEAKER- It was bad.

34:11SPEAKER- But yeah, I heard it was so bad

34:12SPEAKERthat even when I remembered that it had it, I didn't care.

34:15SPEAKERBut with this newer hardware, I'm really curious.

34:17SPEAKERIf AirPods are usable with the Switch too

34:20SPEAKERwithout noticeable latency,

34:21SPEAKERthen I'm finally going to buy some AirPods

34:23SPEAKER'cause that was like my one holdout

34:24SPEAKERon my wired noise canceling travel headphones

34:27SPEAKERwas to use them with a Switch.

34:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I'll give it a try.

34:31SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, I'm really curious.

34:32SPEAKERAnyway, I use the AirPods with my PC,

34:34SPEAKERmy Windows laptop all the time.

34:35SPEAKERThey're good.

34:36SPEAKER- Sure.

34:38SPEAKER- The messages stuff, they're adding a bunch of like,

34:41SPEAKERlike what I think of as like WhatsApp features,

34:43SPEAKERlike shared backgrounds and stuff like that to group chats.

34:48SPEAKERYou can put your own photos in there,

34:49SPEAKERwhich means that I have some group chats

34:51SPEAKERthat I'm just gonna have to leave

34:52SPEAKERbecause I know they're gonna put fucking ghosty

34:54SPEAKERor something terrible back there.

34:55SPEAKER- Lovely.

34:58SPEAKER- You can add polls.

34:59SPEAKER- That's neat.

35:00SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's cool.

35:02SPEAKER- I'm not in any group chats on iMessage or messages

35:05SPEAKERor whatever you wanna call it.

35:06SPEAKERIt's all like Discord and other services for me.

35:09SPEAKER- Yeah, most of my stuff's in Signal

35:11SPEAKERand WhatsApp these days.

35:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:14SPEAKER- They spam here too.

35:15SPEAKERSo now when you get unknown messages,

35:17SPEAKERthey're just putting them all in one bucket

35:19SPEAKERso you can go through them.

35:20SPEAKERThis is a huge fix.

35:21SPEAKER- This is excellent, like being able to,

35:22SPEAKERbasically there'll be a dropdown where you can,

35:24SPEAKERyou'll have like an unknown sender's bucket

35:26SPEAKERthat you can, it's just a filter.

35:28SPEAKERIt's all it is is a basic filter,

35:29SPEAKERbut that's huge just to be able to shunt

35:31SPEAKERall the ones you don't know to another folder.

35:33SPEAKER- And it seems like they're using Apple Intelligence

35:35SPEAKERto pull the specifics, like specific things you do want,

35:39SPEAKERlike table ready notifications and hey, your pizza's ready

35:43SPEAKERand here's a verification code for logging into whatever.

35:47SPEAKER- Yeah, that is a truly exciting addition.

35:52SPEAKER- I think the first time they mentioned chat GPT

35:54SPEAKERwas like 40 minutes into this thing

35:56SPEAKERwhen they talked about image playground,

35:58SPEAKERwhich like Jesus Christ, if you're gonna talk

36:01SPEAKERabout AI image generation in your keynote,

36:05SPEAKERmake sure that the images that generate

36:06SPEAKERjust aren't complete shit.

36:08SPEAKERIt's like if you're gonna steal a bunch of,

36:11SPEAKERlike the week after what Disney and NBC file

36:15SPEAKERa giant lawsuit against MidJourney

36:17SPEAKERfor copyright infringement, maybe make your images good

36:21SPEAKERwhen you're gonna show stolen images, I guess.

36:24SPEAKEROr maybe not, I don't know.

36:26SPEAKERIf somebody sent me a picture of a raccoon

36:29SPEAKERthat was drawn by chat GPT, like this thing sent,

36:32SPEAKERI would just block their fucking number

36:34SPEAKERand never talk to them again.

36:38SPEAKERThe live translation stuff was good.

36:39SPEAKERIt seems like they're behind Google on all of that,

36:43SPEAKERbut it's nice that it's built into the iOS stack

36:45SPEAKERand is available to other apps, I guess now.

36:48SPEAKER- Is it a big deal for that to run entirely on the device

36:50SPEAKERor is everybody doing that at this point

36:52SPEAKERor is that actually unique to Apple?

36:53SPEAKER- I think that it depends on the devices.

36:56SPEAKERGoogle definitely will fall back to the cloud

36:59SPEAKERif they don't have appropriate hardware on the device.

37:03SPEAKERI don't know enough about it to say authoritatively

37:06SPEAKERon the other stuff.

37:07SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause that's definitely seems like the kind of thing

37:09SPEAKERyou would prefer to not leave your phone

37:10SPEAKERif you could help it.

37:11SPEAKER- I mean, if for no other reason

37:13SPEAKERthen it's gonna be faster than kicking it to the,

37:15SPEAKERyou're gonna get a 450 millisecond round trip

37:18SPEAKERon the translations.

37:20SPEAKER- Right, yeah, that's text and speech.

37:24SPEAKERAlthough again, it sounds like that's maybe not actually

37:26SPEAKERa radically new feature on phones generally just for Apple.

37:29SPEAKER- It's speech to text, text to speech, text to text

37:34SPEAKERand speech to text to speech.

37:36SPEAKER- Yes.

37:37SPEAKER- Which was like, it seemed cool.

37:39SPEAKERThe latency on the speech generation stuff

37:41SPEAKERseemed slow enough that you'd never actually use it

37:43SPEAKERin most circumstances.

37:45SPEAKER- Or like only when you really had to on a phone call

37:47SPEAKERor something.

37:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I also thought it was weird

37:49SPEAKERthat they only used European languages for this

37:51SPEAKER'cause they were talking about French and German.

37:53SPEAKERLike the places that I would see it being useful

37:56SPEAKERare like Southeast Asian languages and Spanish

38:01SPEAKERand some other places that I wonder are not,

38:04SPEAKERmaybe aren't in the supported list right now.

38:06SPEAKER- Oh, well, does that make you think that maybe

38:08SPEAKERthese languages are easier to translate

38:10SPEAKERand that's why they're demoing them?

38:12SPEAKER- I don't know if they're easier to translate

38:13SPEAKERbut I think the models are probably,

38:15SPEAKERthere's probably more or material to confirm for the models.

38:20SPEAKERAnd maybe there's political reasons

38:22SPEAKERthey don't wanna tell you a bunch of stuff with Chinese

38:24SPEAKERand with Cantonese and Mandarin right now.

38:29SPEAKERLet's see, the adding pins for your favorite artists

38:31SPEAKERin Apple Music Seems Men playlist is a real,

38:34SPEAKERlike, I can't believe this feature

38:36SPEAKERhasn't been there already.

38:39SPEAKERMaps is doing a thing that they've now,

38:42SPEAKERin different companies, in different places,

38:44SPEAKERhave promised three or four times

38:46SPEAKERthat I have yet to see actually work in practice

38:47SPEAKERbut let's try it again.

38:50SPEAKERBasically, they have pins for home school and work.

38:53SPEAKERIt learns your preferred routes.

38:54SPEAKERSo most people drive the same route most days.

38:58SPEAKERThe only time you differ is when there's traffic

39:00SPEAKERor something in the way and it'll give you alternatives

39:03SPEAKERwhen they make sense and notifications

39:05SPEAKERwhen there's larger than usual delays.

39:07SPEAKER- What maps do you use by default these days?

39:09SPEAKER- I use Waze.

39:10SPEAKER- Wait, really?

39:11SPEAKER- 100% of the time.

39:12SPEAKER- It was not my, well, you mean just for driving?

39:15SPEAKER- Just for driving.

39:16SPEAKER- We have different use cases 'cause I don't drive.

39:18SPEAKERThis is more for walking around a city or, you know,

39:20SPEAKERlike when I was in Los Angeles just now,

39:21SPEAKERbut like, is that what you use,

39:23SPEAKEReven if you're just like out on the street

39:25SPEAKERwhen you're traveling or something?

39:25SPEAKER- So if I was walking around the city,

39:27SPEAKERI'd probably be Google Maps or maybe Apple

39:29SPEAKERif I don't wanna have my phone out a lot.

39:32SPEAKER- Okay, that was my real, I guess my real question there

39:34SPEAKERwas is it time to just use Apple Maps now

39:37SPEAKERsince that's built into the phone?

39:38SPEAKERI've just never let go of Google for that.

39:41SPEAKER- Well, so the reason I use Apple Maps

39:43SPEAKERis if I'm someplace I don't wanna have my phone out

39:45SPEAKERand look like a tourist.

39:46SPEAKERNot that that really is a thing

39:47SPEAKERthat makes you look like a tourist anymore,

39:49SPEAKERbut like if I'm going someplace

39:51SPEAKERand I wanna be able to just glance at my wrist

39:53SPEAKERto see where I'm supposed to turn next,

39:54SPEAKERthe watch app from Apple Maps is really good

39:57SPEAKERand the Google Maps one was kind of underwhelming

40:00SPEAKERthe last time I used it.

40:01SPEAKER- Okay, interesting.

40:01SPEAKERI've never tried either one on my watch actually,

40:03SPEAKERbut also it's been like what,

40:04SPEAKERit's been a decade since Apple Maps

40:06SPEAKERhad its disastrous launch.

40:08SPEAKERLike I'm sure it's fine at this point.

40:10SPEAKER- Look, man, you say that, but I've still,

40:14SPEAKERlike occasionally, 'cause my use case for Maps

40:17SPEAKERwhen I'm going someplace is,

40:18SPEAKERhey, Siri, do this, take me to this place with Waze

40:23SPEAKERand it opens it up in Waze.

40:24SPEAKERAnd sometimes it opens up in Apple Maps

40:26SPEAKERand it's wild where it tries to send you.

40:28SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

40:29SPEAKER- I asked it to take me to a Target a few months ago

40:34SPEAKERand it navigated to one that was near Tacoma

40:36SPEAKERthat I was at six months ago.

40:38SPEAKER- Huh.

40:39SPEAKER- And like, yeah, okay, I did go to that Target

40:41SPEAKERsix months ago in Tacoma, that is correct,

40:43SPEAKERbut it's also 1200 miles away now

40:45SPEAKERand I'm not gonna go there today.

40:46SPEAKERSo.

40:47SPEAKER- All right, well, maybe Apple Maps

40:48SPEAKERis not ready for prime time after a decade.

40:51SPEAKER- I don't use it enough to say one way or the other.

40:54SPEAKERThe wallet section just made me realize

40:56SPEAKERthat all they wanna do is have you spend money

40:58SPEAKERwith this device.

41:00SPEAKER- True, yes.

41:00SPEAKER- So the capitalism continues to work.

41:02SPEAKER- And also embed your entire identity in it.

41:05SPEAKER- Yeah, like the ID in the Apple Wallet thing,

41:10SPEAKERokay, car keys in the wallet I'm here for.

41:13SPEAKERI will put my, if my car lets me put my car key

41:16SPEAKERin the Apple Wallet, I will absolutely do that.

41:18SPEAKER- Interesting.

41:19SPEAKER- Just because I'm very unlikely to lose both my phone

41:23SPEAKERand my keys at the same time.

41:24SPEAKER- Fair, fair.

41:25SPEAKERI guess it's not like you could use the phone

41:27SPEAKERto unlock the car unless you could get into the phone

41:29SPEAKERin the first place anyway.

41:30SPEAKER- Right.

41:31SPEAKER- So if you lose the phone, it's probably not a huge deal

41:33SPEAKERin terms of somebody also stealing your car.

41:36SPEAKER- I mean, look, if I lose my phone,

41:37SPEAKERthey might as well steal my car, they have everything.

41:39SPEAKER- Man.

41:40SPEAKER- The ID in the wallet is a thing

41:43SPEAKERthat is both compelling and terrifying.

41:48SPEAKERLike you shouldn't ever use that as your only form of ID.

41:50SPEAKER- No.

41:51SPEAKER- 'Cause like if you get pulled over by the police,

41:52SPEAKERyou should never give them an unlocked phone

41:54SPEAKERto prove you are who you are.

41:55SPEAKER- Right.

41:56SPEAKER- It's a terrible idea.

41:58SPEAKEREverybody should know that you click the phone power button

42:00SPEAKERfive times and that turns off the biometric security stuff

42:03SPEAKERon most modern phones.

42:05SPEAKERI, like on the other hand,

42:10SPEAKERI've lost my wallet when I was traveling.

42:12SPEAKERI've had my wallet stolen when I was traveling

42:14SPEAKERand had a real problem getting back on a plane

42:16SPEAKERto come home. - Oh, sure, yeah.

42:18SPEAKER- And it would be really nice to have something

42:19SPEAKERthat works to get me through TSA

42:20SPEAKERthat's just part of my phone.

42:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess that's not the worst use case for that.

42:25SPEAKERI think California has been trialing the driver's license

42:27SPEAKERin the wallet for some months now, if I'm not mistaken.

42:30SPEAKER- I think you have to have a more current ID.

42:32SPEAKERWhen I looked last time,

42:33SPEAKERI don't think my ID is new enough to work.

42:35SPEAKER- Don't have your real ID yet.

42:36SPEAKER- No, I do not, I have a passport instead.

42:38SPEAKER- That also works.

42:39SPEAKERBut yeah, I've been staring at that feature

42:41SPEAKERand wondering if I should put my driver's license

42:43SPEAKERin the Apple wallet, and I'm still not 100% sure,

42:45SPEAKERbut that's the worst idea, I guess.

42:48SPEAKER- Don't give it to a cop at a traffic stop.

42:50SPEAKERThat's the TLDR there.

42:53SPEAKER- It seemed like there was some other type of ID,

42:55SPEAKERlike a non-passport ID that you can also put

42:57SPEAKERin the wallet now that's not a driver's license.

42:59SPEAKERDid you see that?

43:00SPEAKER- Well, you can put your library card in there.

43:01SPEAKER- No, no, I mean, it was like some other travel ID.

43:03SPEAKERI'm not sure what that was that they were showing

43:05SPEAKERin the video.

43:06SPEAKER- So they showed passports and passport cards,

43:08SPEAKERwhich are not good for travel,

43:09SPEAKERbut you can store the information there.

43:11SPEAKER- Okay, maybe that's what that was.

43:12SPEAKER- Like validation purposes or something, I don't know.

43:15SPEAKER- Okay.

43:17SPEAKER- They did boarding pass.

43:18SPEAKERThey've done a revamp on how boarding passes work now,

43:20SPEAKERwhich is actually really exciting.

43:22SPEAKER- Like I just flew for the first time

43:23SPEAKERin a while this week, so it was nice to see that.

43:28SPEAKER- Well, so the boarding pass changes that are coming

43:29SPEAKERin the next version of iOS, you get terminal maps

43:33SPEAKERthat are attached to them in the wallet.

43:34SPEAKERIt does live updates, which they haven't done currently.

43:37SPEAKER- That's huge, especially when you fly through a connection

43:39SPEAKERyou're not used to, and you're just like,

43:41SPEAKERyou have 30 minutes to try and find some food

43:44SPEAKERbefore you get to your next gate.

43:45SPEAKER- Well, and you can share your flight status with somebody,

43:48SPEAKERwhich then gives them a widget that pops up on their thing

43:51SPEAKERso they can, on their car dashboard,

43:53SPEAKERso they can see how far away you are and all that stuff.

43:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that's kind of cool.

43:56SPEAKER- Kind of nice.

43:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:59SPEAKER- The gaming stuff seemed like somebody discovered

44:02SPEAKERover there how Xbox Live worked for the Xbox 360,

44:05SPEAKERand were like, hey, let's do this again.

44:07SPEAKER- Yeah, they had Game Center over 10 years ago,

44:12SPEAKER12 years ago, I don't remember

44:13SPEAKERwhen Game Center was a thing, but.

44:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it was like iPhone 4 or 5 probably.

44:18SPEAKER- Yeah, and they kind of deprecated it,

44:20SPEAKERalthough you can still sort of open it within certain games.

44:23SPEAKER- Oh no, it's fully back.

44:24SPEAKERI got a friend request the other day.

44:25SPEAKER- Oh, okay, all right.

44:27SPEAKER- Yeah, but there's no Game Center app anymore.

44:29SPEAKERYou have to just get it inside one of the participating apps

44:32SPEAKERI think, I don't know, it's weird.

44:33SPEAKER- That's what I meant, yeah.

44:35SPEAKERThey talked about visual intelligence a fair amount,

44:37SPEAKERwhich has been around kind of for a little bit

44:40SPEAKERwhere you can take a picture and it'll AI recognize

44:46SPEAKERwhat's in the picture and then give you menus

44:49SPEAKERfor a restaurant or identify a pair of shoes or something

44:52SPEAKERwere the examples I think they used.

44:54SPEAKERThe thing that's interesting to me is that they're rolling

44:55SPEAKERout the thing where you take a screenshot,

44:57SPEAKERand that post take a screenshot with your phone

45:00SPEAKERor iPad app pops up now, and in addition to all the markup

45:04SPEAKERor copy and paste and crop stuff that was at the top,

45:06SPEAKERnow there's AI options at the bottom that will analyze

45:10SPEAKERwhat's in the picture and tell you more about it.

45:11SPEAKERSo I think one of the examples they gave was taking

45:14SPEAKERa picture of a concert poster and then adding an event

45:16SPEAKERto it from that to your actual calendar,

45:20SPEAKERwhich seems like, it's amazing to me that take a screenshot

45:24SPEAKERhas become a core feature for iOS when it was so hard

45:28SPEAKERto do on phones for a long time in the early phone days.

45:31SPEAKER- I mean, just these people sharing stuff on social media,

45:33SPEAKERconstantly by taking screenshots of their phone

45:36SPEAKERat this point.

45:37SPEAKER- You could take that picture, that text and you go viral.

45:39SPEAKERThat's how it works.

45:40SPEAKER- That's right.

45:43SPEAKER- I'm really curious.

45:45SPEAKERI need to go back and watch more about how the app,

45:48SPEAKERthis seems like they have a whole app toolkit

45:50SPEAKERfor making those app icons that gives you like a 3D blow up

45:54SPEAKERof the thing and how thick the glass is supposed to be

45:56SPEAKERand all this stuff.

45:57SPEAKER- Yes, Gruber in his post complaining about the new finder

45:59SPEAKERicon had thrown it into that thing,

46:02SPEAKERinto the new version of that thing and kind of remade it

46:05SPEAKERas the old version as if to just like,

46:07SPEAKERjust as a proof of concept, say, "Hey, look,

46:10SPEAKERthe old finder icon design can still look good

46:12SPEAKERin liquid glass."

46:14SPEAKERBut I guess, I guess the point being,

46:15SPEAKERI guess that tool is relatively accessible.

46:18SPEAKER- Yeah, it's part of the, it's in the beta

46:20SPEAKERfor the new version of Mac OS, I believe.

46:24SPEAKERI'm really curious what, like how fast people replace

46:28SPEAKERthese icons, because the thing that I don't think

46:31SPEAKERpeople realize, like if you switch your phone to dark mode

46:34SPEAKERand switch your icons to dark mode,

46:36SPEAKERmost of your third-party app icons still look like crap

46:40SPEAKERa year into this OS release.

46:43SPEAKERAnd like if people don't engage with the new,

46:47SPEAKERI mean, they'll make it part of the requirements

46:49SPEAKERfor passing start at some point,

46:50SPEAKERbut if people don't engage with the new apps,

46:52SPEAKERthen there's no reason to go through all this effort.

46:57SPEAKERThey talked about a bazillion other things

46:59SPEAKERand then talked about iPad OS where they're adding

47:02SPEAKERa whole new multitasking system that actually seems

47:05SPEAKERlike a real multitasking system with like tiles

47:08SPEAKERand window placement and being able to put things

47:10SPEAKERon top of other things and not just limiting you

47:13SPEAKERarbitrarily to the way, you know, somebody at Cupertino

47:15SPEAKERdecided you should do multitasking.

47:20SPEAKERThere's a menu bar, they're adding expose

47:24SPEAKERor swipe-ups on the track pad or the,

47:26SPEAKERI assume the screen too, but they didn't show that.

47:29SPEAKERThere are close, minimize, and maximize buttons

47:32SPEAKERwhen you're in windowed mode.

47:35SPEAKERAnd it works on every iPad that runs the new OS,

47:37SPEAKERnot just the Pro and Air models, which is new.

47:40SPEAKERIt's also worth mentioning that they cut off most of the,

47:43SPEAKERmost of the, like the new, the cutoff for iOS,

47:48SPEAKERiPad OS 26 support on the new, on the old hardware

47:52SPEAKERis all the stuff that wouldn't run multitasking.

47:54SPEAKERLike it's the old A16s and stuff like that.

47:56SPEAKER- Right.

47:57SPEAKERMy iPad couldn't run iOS or iPad OS 18,

47:59SPEAKERso it doesn't affect me at all.

48:01SPEAKER- Oh, you're one of the A, the A max processors.

48:05SPEAKER- I can't remember what A is in there.

48:06SPEAKERThis is a new iPad year for me, unless,

48:09SPEAKERunless there's another tariff catastrophe

48:11SPEAKERby the end of the year.

48:13SPEAKERMy iPad is eight years old.

48:15SPEAKERI can't sit in a sunny, I can't sit in my living room

48:18SPEAKERwhen it's sunny in there in the afternoon

48:19SPEAKERand like sit there and-

48:21SPEAKER- Is it too dim?

48:22SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, no, like meaning,

48:24SPEAKERmeaning the screen has to adjust brightness way up

48:26SPEAKERbecause it's so bright in the room.

48:27SPEAKERLike the auto brightness jacks the, I can't,

48:30SPEAKERI can't sit in there for more than like a couple of hours

48:32SPEAKERbefore the battery is all like down to 15%,

48:35SPEAKERlike almost basically hitting low battery mode.

48:36SPEAKERLike the battery is extremely shot in that thing

48:39SPEAKERand it's not getting iOS updates anymore.

48:41SPEAKERSo it is time for a new iPad.

48:43SPEAKER- You've had it for a long time.

48:45SPEAKER- I think eight years.

48:46SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, it was a couple of years old

48:48SPEAKERwhen we started doing this podcast.

48:49SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

48:50SPEAKERLike it makes me like, for how much use I get out of the thing

48:52SPEAKERit makes me feel okay about spending the money on a pro

48:55SPEAKERwhen I do buy one because it's such an infrequent purchase

48:57SPEAKERand it lasts so long and I use it so damn much.

49:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about mine.

49:02SPEAKERI use mine, it's my primary reading device pretty much.

49:05SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

49:05SPEAKER- And I use it to draw too.

49:06SPEAKER- Right, like I use, I use,

49:08SPEAKERI use the iPad definitely more than my MacBook,

49:10SPEAKERlike probably more than my PC

49:12SPEAKERfor recreational purposes, that sort of work.

49:15SPEAKER- They're bringing a preview from macOS to iPad.

49:19SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.

49:22SPEAKER- That's a good thing.

49:23SPEAKER- That having a native PDF reader seems good.

49:25SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about the new files app.

49:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems pretty good.

49:29SPEAKER- I'm trying to find it in this video.

49:30SPEAKERI didn't actually see that.

49:32SPEAKER- They did, it basically it's syncing

49:34SPEAKERthe folder customizations you can do in the macOS Finder.

49:37SPEAKER- Okay.

49:39SPEAKER- There's a couple of new views.

49:40SPEAKERIt's, I looked at it and it was like,

49:42SPEAKERoh, this has parity with Finder now almost.

49:45SPEAKERIt's getting close.

49:47SPEAKER- The overlapping windows of this also sure does

49:49SPEAKERjust kind of look like a desktop metaphor.

49:52SPEAKER- It's like, the lines are blurring more than ever before.

49:56SPEAKERI wonder what the battery life is gonna be like

49:57SPEAKERwhen you run multiple apps at the same time,

50:00SPEAKER'cause it's not great on my second, my M2 iPad Pro.

50:05SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

50:06SPEAKERI don't really have much of a use case for that.

50:08SPEAKERMy iPad is pretty much like a single app full screen

50:10SPEAKERkind of thing for me.

50:11SPEAKER- So I, for a long time, I would do show notes

50:15SPEAKERfor the podcast where I had like a couple of browser tabs

50:17SPEAKERopen on one side and then the note stock

50:19SPEAKERopen in the other side.

50:21SPEAKER- Sure.

50:22SPEAKER- Background tasks for video, for like time consuming stuff

50:25SPEAKERlike video exports and stuff like that in Shaper

50:29SPEAKERand DaVinci Resolve and a couple of their video editing apps

50:32SPEAKERthat they showed are coming.

50:34SPEAKERThey pop up like live activities in where the notch

50:36SPEAKERwould be on your iPad.

50:38SPEAKERThey're adding background tasks, so like stuff

50:40SPEAKERlike video exports and audio exports that take a while.

50:43SPEAKERLike they talked a lot about making it better

50:45SPEAKERfor audio and video, including studio quality audio

50:49SPEAKERwith AirPods, which I mean, just think Brad,

50:51SPEAKERwe could both be recording this from our AirPods

50:54SPEAKERon our iPads right now.

50:56SPEAKER- Let's just like go to the park and do this podcast.

50:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm skeptical of that stuff as always.

51:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:03SPEAKER- I mean, look, the AirPods Pro 2 is one of those things

51:06SPEAKERthat has continually amazed me for the entirety

51:09SPEAKERof the time I've owned them, so maybe.

51:13SPEAKERThe local capture thing lets you capture just your side

51:16SPEAKERof a video conference app though, which is I think

51:18SPEAKERreally interesting 'cause that means you can have

51:19SPEAKERthree people capturing their audio and video

51:22SPEAKERand then send it to an editor and splice it all together

51:24SPEAKERinto a podcast.

51:25SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause obviously you're gonna get

51:27SPEAKERa high quality recording.

51:28SPEAKERI'm sure it's capturing the local feed

51:30SPEAKERand not like some compressed version.

51:32SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the whole point is that it's grabbing it

51:35SPEAKERat the system level.

51:37SPEAKERThe background tasks lets you export video

51:39SPEAKERand it shows up like in a live activity,

51:41SPEAKERwhich is I thought pretty cool.

51:43SPEAKERAnd then finally, the thing that they buried at the end

51:45SPEAKERis the thing I've been waiting for for like two years,

51:46SPEAKERwhich is journal is coming to the iPad finally.

51:49SPEAKER- What is the journal?

51:50SPEAKER- Journal is an iPhone app that's like,

51:52SPEAKERthat prompts you at the end of every day.

51:54SPEAKERIt's like, hey, you want a journal?

51:55SPEAKERYou want to do a journal?

51:56SPEAKERYou should do a journal.

51:57SPEAKERHey man, you know what's gonna make,

51:58SPEAKERit's good for your mental health to do a journal.

52:00SPEAKERYou should talk about how you're feeling today.

52:01SPEAKER- Is that actually an established thing?

52:03SPEAKER- Look man, I'm sure somebody established that somewhere.

52:05SPEAKERI don't know what the real science is.

52:07SPEAKER- I have been in recent years, I've been thinking to myself,

52:10SPEAKERI would give anything if I had kept a journal

52:13SPEAKERthroughout my life.

52:14SPEAKERI just, I absolutely do not have the discipline to do it.

52:16SPEAKERSo there was no world.

52:17SPEAKERThere was never a world where I was going to do that,

52:19SPEAKERbut I wish that I had more records of my life up to now.

52:23SPEAKER- So I did it for like 10 years from probably middle school

52:26SPEAKERuntil I went to college, basically.

52:30SPEAKERMaybe a little bit before that.

52:30SPEAKERMaybe it's like fifth, fourth or fifth grade.

52:32SPEAKERAnyway, it doesn't matter.

52:33SPEAKER- You ever read it?

52:34SPEAKER- Oh, it's horrible.

52:35SPEAKERIt's absolutely, it's the last thing on earth

52:38SPEAKERthat you ever want to read.

52:39SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.

52:41SPEAKERYou know what it was that really did it for me

52:42SPEAKERwas going through some old photos

52:44SPEAKERthat I found on my NAS at one point

52:45SPEAKERand finding like pictures of some concerts I went to

52:47SPEAKERthat I have no memory of going to.

52:49SPEAKER- Oh, I bet you can probably find out

52:52SPEAKERexactly what that concert is.

52:54SPEAKER- I know what it is once I look at the pictures.

52:56SPEAKERWhat I mean is I don't remember going to it.

52:57SPEAKERLike it was a Frank Black and the Catholics show.

53:00SPEAKERAnd I was just like, I have no recollection

53:03SPEAKERthat I had ever seen Frank Black

53:04SPEAKERin his pre-Return to the Pixies era.

53:07SPEAKERBut like, you know what I mean?

53:08SPEAKERIt's like, you should remember ideally all of the shows

53:12SPEAKERyou've been doing in your life and I super don't.

53:15SPEAKER- Huh, I don't, my memory doesn't work that way.

53:17SPEAKERI remember all the shows I've been to, I bet.

53:19SPEAKERAnyway, so that's it for iOS, for iPad OS, I guess.

53:23SPEAKER- Feels like they're getting closer to blurring.

53:25SPEAKERLike you said earlier, like it feels like

53:28SPEAKERthe distinction between a laptop

53:29SPEAKERand more specifically a MacBook

53:31SPEAKERand the iPad is getting weirder and weirder

53:33SPEAKERand thinner and thinner.

53:35SPEAKER- It seems like it's like,

53:36SPEAKERdo you want to be able to pop the screen off

53:37SPEAKERor not at this point?

53:39SPEAKER- Right.

53:40SPEAKER- Because they did most of the demos with the trackpad

53:42SPEAKERon one of the magic keyboards with an iPad

53:44SPEAKERfor the iPad segment.

53:46SPEAKER- Right, but I assume they will never actually

53:48SPEAKERunify those product lines just because they make money.

53:50SPEAKERProbably, I mean, look at me, I have both.

53:53SPEAKERI'm sure plenty of people have both.

53:55SPEAKER- Well, and it was a really weird split

53:58SPEAKERbecause they, like a lot of the art

54:00SPEAKERand a lot of the positioning in this segment

54:01SPEAKERfor the iPad stuff was as a creative device.

54:04SPEAKER'Cause I know like anecdotally, a lot of the people I know

54:07SPEAKERthat used to use Cintiqs and Wacom tablets

54:09SPEAKERand stuff like that have switched to iPad and Pencil

54:13SPEAKERjust because of convenience

54:14SPEAKERand 'cause they can take it with them

54:15SPEAKERwhen they go places easily and stuff like that.

54:17SPEAKER- And it's way more multi-use.

54:19SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's like, yeah, they get a cool device

54:23SPEAKERthat they can use to watch movies on the airplane

54:24SPEAKERand draw when they get where they're going.

54:30SPEAKERIt was weird that separation between showing

54:32SPEAKERlike really nicely produced, really good quality art

54:35SPEAKERthat human beings had made

54:37SPEAKERand then some shitty AI generated postage stamp size picture

54:41SPEAKERof a raccoon with a cityscape behind it

54:44SPEAKERin the generated AI segments earlier in the show.

54:48SPEAKERSo anyway, I wonder if they're feeling

54:52SPEAKERthat tension internally and that's where it's leaking out.

54:56SPEAKER- Maybe.

54:57SPEAKER- It's also worth noting that the iPad OS

54:59SPEAKERis pretty much the last thing that they hit.

55:02SPEAKERLike they talked about TV, they talked about watch,

55:05SPEAKERthey talked about Vision OS for the goggles all before.

55:08SPEAKER- Even Vision Pro got more time than the iPad.

55:11SPEAKERWhat is that about?

55:12SPEAKERLike, I don't know what,

55:13SPEAKERI'm not sure what the strategy is with like,

55:14SPEAKERI mean, by all accounts Vision Pro is,

55:18SPEAKERI mean, is this harsh to say that it seems

55:19SPEAKERlike basically a failed product at this point?

55:21SPEAKER- I think that they are doing an extended public beta test

55:26SPEAKERand figure, like one of the things that they talked about,

55:29SPEAKERI wrote in the notes,

55:30SPEAKERwe've sold literally dozens of these things,

55:33SPEAKERbut one of the notes, don't send angry letters,

55:36SPEAKERI don't care, just one of the notes literally showed

55:42SPEAKERthem placing widgets, like the same kind of widgets

55:44SPEAKERthat are in CarPlay and all the other places now

55:47SPEAKERand placing them in the environment

55:49SPEAKERand locking them in their place so they're static

55:50SPEAKERand they looked like they were embedded in walls

55:52SPEAKERand stuff like that, which is a thing that everybody I know

55:55SPEAKERwho has one of these has done in their house

55:58SPEAKERand then when you reboot the device,

55:59SPEAKERthey all go away and you have to do it again,

56:01SPEAKERthey're all annoyed by that.

56:02SPEAKERSo they're taking things that people are doing

56:05SPEAKERand making it behave the way that you would expect it to,

56:09SPEAKERwhich is a kind of appley way to approach this thing.

56:14SPEAKERI don't know.

56:16SPEAKERThe other big feature for it was that personas

56:18SPEAKERdon't look like corpses anymore.

56:20SPEAKERSo those are the kind of, you can't take a picture

56:23SPEAKERof your face when you're in a FaceTime call,

56:25SPEAKERwhen you're wearing the goggles,

56:26SPEAKER'cause the goggles are in the way.

56:28SPEAKERSo they do a bad face scan of you

56:29SPEAKERand then make you look like a kind of freshly exhumed corpse.

56:37SPEAKERIt seemed bad still, but like maybe in another five years,

56:41SPEAKERthe headsets won't cost as much as a car and--

56:45SPEAKER- And will weigh five pounds.

56:46SPEAKER- Yeah, and won't give you permanent neck problems

56:49SPEAKERwhen you use them.

56:52SPEAKERIt's a cool device.

56:52SPEAKERIf I had $3,500 to blow, I'd probably bought one.

56:56SPEAKERIt's neat.

56:57SPEAKERIt's not something I'm gonna use day to day.

56:59SPEAKER- Right, like what if they made one that wasn't $3,500?

57:03SPEAKER- Yeah, if it costs what a MacBook Pro cost

57:05SPEAKERand it did the same stuff that a MacBook Pro does,

57:08SPEAKERthat's an interesting question.

57:09SPEAKER- Sure, speaking of MacBook Pros though.

57:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:14SPEAKER- I mean, I still like the form of the laptop.

57:16SPEAKERLike I still like a thing with a screen and a keyboard

57:18SPEAKERand a pointing device.

57:20SPEAKER- As I've been locked in my bedroom for the last week

57:23SPEAKERwith limited access to computers,

57:25SPEAKERthe laptop is the one that I use

57:26SPEAKERwhen I need to do real things.

57:28SPEAKER- Right, yes, call me old fashioned,

57:29SPEAKERbut yes, an actual computer is the thing I always reach for

57:32SPEAKERwhen I need to do anything serious.

57:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so they kicked off the Mac OS Tahoe,

57:37SPEAKERwhich is the one thing that's breaking the,

57:41SPEAKERburied the lead here, I guess.

57:43SPEAKERThey're ditching the incremental version numbers

57:47SPEAKERthat are basically the year minus seven,

57:49SPEAKER'cause that's when iOS started.

57:50SPEAKER- Yeah, we alluded to this earlier, but everything.

57:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just the last two digits of the year now.

57:57SPEAKEREverything is just the version number,

57:58SPEAKERwell, of next year, to be clear, not of this year.

58:01SPEAKERThis is not Mac OS 25 that's launching this year.

58:05SPEAKERIt's Mac OS 26.

58:06SPEAKER- Well, but it's for the majority of the year

58:08SPEAKERthat ends in 26.

58:10SPEAKER- Or it's for the year in which that OS's support will end

58:13SPEAKERor its primacy will end.

58:15SPEAKER- Wait, so you wrote in here that they're changing

58:18SPEAKERthe versioning to an annual model like Ubuntu.

58:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:21SPEAKER- They're actually doing it like Madden.

58:23SPEAKER- Sure.

58:24SPEAKER- It's Madden numbers.

58:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.

58:26SPEAKERWell, it's kind of the same thing.

58:26SPEAKER- Didn't they do that?

58:28SPEAKERLike Madden had two 25s or something

58:29SPEAKERbecause they had Madden 25

58:31SPEAKERand then they changed the annual model

58:32SPEAKERand then they had a Madden 25?

58:34SPEAKERMaybe it was the other way.

58:35SPEAKER- What's the distinction?

58:36SPEAKER- Well, like one was the 25th edition of John Madden,

58:40SPEAKERthe football game.

58:41SPEAKER- Oh, oh, I see what you're saying.

58:42SPEAKER- And one is the one that was released in 2020, 25.

58:45SPEAKER- They did that a long time ago though, didn't they?

58:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I thought so.

58:49SPEAKERAnyway, they did a bunch of dad jokes

58:53SPEAKERwith the Mac OS section 'cause they always do

58:55SPEAKERand they're always terrible.

58:56SPEAKER- That intro of how they came up with the name Tahoe

58:59SPEAKERwas like, I could not skip past it fast enough.

59:02SPEAKER- Extremely cringe.

59:03SPEAKERBut you know what's not funny, Brad?

59:05SPEAKER- Yes, what?

59:06SPEAKER- This is the last version of Mac OS

59:08SPEAKERthat will support Intel hardware.

59:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's crazy 'cause what is it?

59:11SPEAKER2020 is the last round of Intel Macs that came out?

59:15SPEAKER- The last Intel Macs came out in 2020.

59:17SPEAKERThat's actually pretty good.

59:18SPEAKERI went and looked it up.

59:19SPEAKER- It's basically six years of support.

59:21SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty good by Apple standards

59:23SPEAKERon these transitions.

59:24SPEAKER- Is it really?

59:25SPEAKER- Yeah, the PowerPC to Intel transition,

59:28SPEAKERthey cut them off after like two years or something.

59:30SPEAKER- Yeah, it was almost criminal.

59:31SPEAKER- Right, but also just forget architectural transitions.

59:34SPEAKERThey also just routinely in support for old Mac books

59:37SPEAKERor all their devices.

59:39SPEAKERI just talked about that with my iPad.

59:41SPEAKERThey routinely just in support for old devices

59:43SPEAKEReven on the same architecture.

59:45SPEAKERSo I don't know if six years is the average there or not.

59:48SPEAKER- I think watch, let's see, the watch this year

59:51SPEAKERgoes back to Apple watch six and the SE second generation,

59:57SPEAKERwhich are both 2021 products, I think.

1:00:00SPEAKER- So 20?

1:00:01SPEAKER- 20 products maybe.

1:00:02SPEAKER- I have a series eight watch that came out in 2022.

1:00:06SPEAKER- So then, yeah, so 2020 then.

1:00:08SPEAKERSo that's the same time.

1:00:09SPEAKERI mean, I would feel better if it was longer,

1:00:12SPEAKERbut Apple's gonna Apple.

1:00:14SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

1:00:17SPEAKERI think about this a lot.

1:00:17SPEAKERLike, you know, there've been a lot of arguments

1:00:19SPEAKERabout like graphics cards with ray tracing support lately.

1:00:21SPEAKERLike people talk a lot about how long hardware

1:00:24SPEAKERshould last these days.

1:00:25SPEAKERAnd like, I don't know if by the standards of 20 years ago,

1:00:28SPEAKERwe've got it extremely good these days

1:00:31SPEAKERthat things last more than two or three years.

1:00:33SPEAKERBut also when you say, hey, this laptop you bought

1:00:36SPEAKERfive or six years ago, no longer gets updates

1:00:38SPEAKERlike that doesn't feel good either.

1:00:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, I don't know.

1:00:43SPEAKERI asked me how I feel when my wife's Mac M1 MacBook Air

1:00:48SPEAKERloses support and I have to spend another two grand.

1:00:50SPEAKER- Well, actually, no, I mean, the one advantage

1:00:51SPEAKERthat MacBooks have that iPads and phones and stuff don't

1:00:55SPEAKERis that's a prime candidate

1:00:57SPEAKERfor just putting the Linux on there.

1:00:58SPEAKER- That's true, that's true.

1:01:00SPEAKER- There are some very good Linux distros

1:01:01SPEAKERlike I've said it before.

1:01:03SPEAKERI think when I put Fedora on my very old MacBook Air

1:01:05SPEAKERfor my girlfriend, like it's shockingly usable.

1:01:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I actually hit my MacBook Air

1:01:12SPEAKERthat I have Chromo Asplex on

1:01:13SPEAKERis gonna end of life next year, I think.

1:01:15SPEAKERSo, you know, it happens.

1:01:17SPEAKERSo laptops can be resurrected in ways that I,

1:01:21SPEAKERI really wish there was something you could do

1:01:23SPEAKERwith old iPhones and iPads.

1:01:25SPEAKER- Yeah, you chuck them in the landfill.

1:01:28SPEAKERIt's just where they don't belong.

1:01:30SPEAKER- I mean, people were harvesting screens out of old iPads

1:01:33SPEAKERto use as Mr. Displays for a while.

1:01:36SPEAKER- I did that.

1:01:37SPEAKER- Did you? - Yeah.

1:01:38SPEAKER- That might be something to think about.

1:01:40SPEAKER- I didn't ever actually put it in the Mr.

1:01:42SPEAKER'cause I ended up getting a different case for them.

1:01:44SPEAKERAnyway, we don't have to get into it,

1:01:45SPEAKERbut I have the screen still.

1:01:49SPEAKERThe macOS stuff, like they're adding widgets.

1:01:53SPEAKER- On the desktop is the difference, right?

1:01:54SPEAKER- Yeah. - So I think you could,

1:01:55SPEAKERcould like sort of slide them over above the desktop before,

1:01:59SPEAKERif I'm not mistaken.

1:02:00SPEAKER- They came out of a tray, I think, right?

1:02:01SPEAKER- Kind of, yeah.

1:02:02SPEAKERBut now they just sort of sit on the desktop, it looks like.

1:02:04SPEAKER- Yeah, and you get all the personalization

1:02:06SPEAKERtheme color stuff from last year's iOS,

1:02:08SPEAKERbut in the new, hey,

1:02:10SPEAKERwe're gonna make this look good version.

1:02:13SPEAKER- The big things I thought were continuity

1:02:16SPEAKERand spotlight changes.

1:02:17SPEAKER- Yeah, is continuity fully new?

1:02:18SPEAKERI couldn't tell if they were saying.

1:02:19SPEAKER- Yeah, continuity's been around for a hundred years.

1:02:21SPEAKER- Okay, but this is, they're adding to it, I guess.

1:02:23SPEAKER- They're expanding it, making it good again.

1:02:25SPEAKERThe problem with, so continuity came out,

1:02:31SPEAKERoh man, like 10 or 12 years ago with,

1:02:34SPEAKERhey, you can copy on your phone

1:02:36SPEAKERand then paste it into your Mac

1:02:37SPEAKERand it's just gonna work magically across the network.

1:02:39SPEAKER- Which to be fair is still pretty cool.

1:02:41SPEAKER- It's still good, yeah.

1:02:44SPEAKER- The big stuff-

1:02:45SPEAKER- Actually, sorry, if I can jump in,

1:02:46SPEAKERlike I kind of wish they made that stuff

1:02:48SPEAKERa little more transparent or explicit.

1:02:50SPEAKERLike sometimes certain features like that,

1:02:53SPEAKERsometimes they try to make a little too seamless

1:02:55SPEAKERor invisible where like I don't actually remember

1:02:58SPEAKERthat I can do that or there's no like,

1:03:00SPEAKERmaybe just like a little pop-up saying like,

1:03:02SPEAKERhey, we've received your clipboard from your iPhone,

1:03:04SPEAKERnow you can go ahead and paste it, would be nice.

1:03:06SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but like they do it sometimes,

1:03:08SPEAKERlike when you get a call on your phone

1:03:10SPEAKERand it rings on your laptop, it says,

1:03:13SPEAKERhey, this is a call coming from your iPhone, right?

1:03:15SPEAKER- That for sure, right?

1:03:15SPEAKERIt's really stuff like the clipboard,

1:03:17SPEAKERlike little usability tricks

1:03:18SPEAKERthat you kind of forget are there sometimes.

1:03:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I thought the stuff,

1:03:23SPEAKERI thought that they're adding an actual phone app

1:03:24SPEAKERto the Mac now is nice.

1:03:26SPEAKERThat's, I didn't know that wasn't there

1:03:27SPEAKERand that felt like an omission.

1:03:29SPEAKERLive activities from the notch,

1:03:32SPEAKERlike the notch stuff comes, pops up on the Mac now too.

1:03:36SPEAKER- Or the dynamic island, do you mean?

1:03:38SPEAKER- Yeah, the dynamic island, sorry.

1:03:40SPEAKERThe notch is inert and it's, the notch is dead as we know.

1:03:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just a hole in the middle of your phone

1:03:45SPEAKERthat you don't notice anymore.

1:03:46SPEAKER- There is no life in the notch.

1:03:49SPEAKER- Love the notch.

1:03:52SPEAKERThey're adding shortcuts to Mac OS,

1:03:53SPEAKERmaybe the shortcuts have been there,

1:03:54SPEAKERI don't have a Mac OS device.

1:03:56SPEAKER- No, they absolutely have been.

1:03:58SPEAKERI made a shortcut in Mac OS last week

1:04:00SPEAKERto enable and disable Blocky over my network.

1:04:03SPEAKER- Oh, nice.

1:04:04SPEAKER- For my devices.

1:04:05SPEAKER- The SSH to do that?

1:04:07SPEAKER- No, no, that's just a, Blocky just has an API.

1:04:10SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice.

1:04:11SPEAKER- So you can hit.

1:04:12SPEAKERIn fact, people will get into it as we talk about this.

1:04:14SPEAKERI was trying to figure out if you could make a shortcut

1:04:16SPEAKERthat triggers on view and not on like touch

1:04:19SPEAKERwhere shortcut widgets live in the,

1:04:22SPEAKERwhat do you call that thing?

1:04:23SPEAKERWhen you swipe to the right on the iOS home screen

1:04:27SPEAKERand it brings over the, whatever that kind of tray thing is.

1:04:29SPEAKER- Is that the smart stack?

1:04:30SPEAKER- Is that a smart stack or is that,

1:04:31SPEAKERthat's where the widgets live.

1:04:32SPEAKER- It's the widgets, yeah, that's the widgets.

1:04:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess it's the widgets area.

1:04:35SPEAKERI was trying to figure out if I could make a shortcut

1:04:36SPEAKERthat would up, that would effectively run itself

1:04:38SPEAKERand update on sliding out that widget tray.

1:04:42SPEAKER- Oh, that seems impossible.

1:04:44SPEAKER- I don't think it's possible because I always forget

1:04:47SPEAKERif I have enabled or disabled the app blocker or not.

1:04:50SPEAKER- You have to set it to time?

1:04:52SPEAKER- I should do that.

1:04:53SPEAKERLike I don't do that 'cause I don't like the pressure

1:04:56SPEAKERof having to like get it done in 10 minutes or whatever.

1:04:58SPEAKER- Oh, I love that.

1:04:59SPEAKER- I should really just update the shortcuts

1:05:01SPEAKERto auto re-enable at some point.

1:05:03SPEAKER- Look, I'm gonna tell you,

1:05:05SPEAKERI had to log into Zoom yesterday

1:05:06SPEAKERand the cap show was getting blocked by the ad blocker.

1:05:10SPEAKERI was like, I'm gonna hit 60 seconds on this.

1:05:12SPEAKERI bet I can get logged in in 60 seconds.

1:05:14SPEAKERI feel like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible.

1:05:16SPEAKER- Okay, if you're gamifying things like that,

1:05:18SPEAKERI might be able to get back on board.

1:05:19SPEAKERI've also added, when I set a blocky,

1:05:21SPEAKERI added an allow list that I did not have before.

1:05:24SPEAKER- Okay.

1:05:25SPEAKER- That's supposed to fix a bunch of the commonly

1:05:26SPEAKERbroken stuff like YouTube history and things

1:05:28SPEAKERthat are supposed to get broken by disabling tracking.

1:05:31SPEAKER- That's good.

1:05:32SPEAKER- So that probably is gonna help alleviate some of that.

1:05:34SPEAKERAnyway, that sounds like some nice changes

1:05:36SPEAKERto shortcuts here that I wrote down.

1:05:39SPEAKERThey are allowing you to now run shortcuts

1:05:42SPEAKERagainst specific actions, not shortcut actions,

1:05:46SPEAKERbut actions you take in the operating system.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Almost like OS triggers, right?

1:05:50SPEAKERLike time and stuff like that.

1:05:51SPEAKER- And so also, yeah, some passive triggers like time.

1:05:54SPEAKERSo you can set shortcuts that just run time of day.

1:05:56SPEAKERSo this is basically just a visual cron job

1:05:58SPEAKERat this point, I guess.

1:05:59SPEAKER- It's, the way they handle that has always been weird

1:06:02SPEAKERbecause you've been able to do that on iOS for a long time,

1:06:04SPEAKERbut it's unclear which things run on,

1:06:09SPEAKERlike for home automation stuff,

1:06:11SPEAKERit's unclear which stuff runs on the home kit box

1:06:13SPEAKERand which stuff runs on the phone

1:06:15SPEAKERand like who triggers it and all that.

1:06:17SPEAKERI hope it's more transparent here on the Mac.

1:06:19SPEAKER- I think the cooler thing for me

1:06:20SPEAKERand the thing I can actually see coming up

1:06:22SPEAKERwith some pretty useful shortcuts with

1:06:24SPEAKERis that you can have it automatically run shortcuts

1:06:27SPEAKERagainst specific actions.

1:06:28SPEAKERLike the examples they gave were dropping files.

1:06:31SPEAKERLike anytime a new file appears in a specific folder,

1:06:34SPEAKERyou can have it run a shortcut

1:06:35SPEAKERor connecting to a specific display.

1:06:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:06:39SPEAKER- Like that's huge.

1:06:40SPEAKERLike if you travel with your MacBook,

1:06:42SPEAKERbut also dock with it in an office

1:06:43SPEAKERand you can have it run some visually scripted shortcut chain

1:06:47SPEAKERof things as soon as you plug it into your monitor or work,

1:06:50SPEAKERlike that seems rad.

1:06:51SPEAKER- Or change between work and like your work and home focus

1:06:55SPEAKERwhen you plug into the work monitor and stuff like that.

1:06:57SPEAKER- Yeah, like it seems like a lot of potential

1:06:58SPEAKERfor cool stuff with that.

1:07:00SPEAKER- The adding new folders to files to a folder

1:07:04SPEAKERwould be awesome for when you're like,

1:07:06SPEAKERlike when I share a file,

1:07:07SPEAKERwhen I share a finished file with you,

1:07:08SPEAKERI always send you a message.

1:07:09SPEAKERIt'd be nice to just automate that.

1:07:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:13SPEAKER- I'm gonna change my block disabling shortcut

1:07:16SPEAKERto play the mission impossible theme

1:07:17SPEAKERwhen I do a 60 second one.

1:07:18SPEAKER- Okay, great.

1:07:19SPEAKER- Yeah. - Excellent.

1:07:20SPEAKER- Yeah, good use of time.

1:07:22SPEAKER- AI shortcuts, I'm not so sure.

1:07:23SPEAKER- Don't care.

1:07:24SPEAKER- Yeah, not going to use that.

1:07:26SPEAKER- Spotlight though changes.

1:07:29SPEAKERSpotlight seems like a weird CLI for your Mac now.

1:07:32SPEAKER- So all of these have been going that way.

1:07:34SPEAKERLike I use Powertoys run quite a bit on windows these days.

1:07:37SPEAKERAnd it also has a whole little like command interface

1:07:40SPEAKERwhere you can like hit equal sign to do calculations.

1:07:42SPEAKERYou do conversions, like I'd have to pull up the help

1:07:45SPEAKERto see all the things I can do.

1:07:46SPEAKER- Do left carrot to switch between open windows.

1:07:50SPEAKERLike there's all sorts of stuff, it's weird.

1:07:51SPEAKER- Yeah, like so there's spotlight on Mac OS

1:07:53SPEAKERso like Powertoys run is an add on for windows.

1:07:56SPEAKERI think when I used Gnome recently,

1:07:58SPEAKERwhen I was messing with Linux,

1:07:59SPEAKERthere's some equivalent pop-up command interface there too.

1:08:03SPEAKERLike it just seems like a thing that's on computers now.

1:08:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so the way it works is you have like,

1:08:09SPEAKERthey built like little two letter combos

1:08:12SPEAKERthat do specific things.

1:08:13SPEAKERLike you can send a message by typing SM

1:08:15SPEAKERand it basically builds a form in the spotlight pop-up

1:08:22SPEAKERthat lets you say what the message is,

1:08:24SPEAKERwho it goes to and what the subject is.

1:08:25SPEAKERAnd then it sends it as an email or as a text,

1:08:27SPEAKERdepending on which of the prompts you hit to start.

1:08:30SPEAKERDoesn't seem like AI, it seems like this is just like

1:08:33SPEAKERa different way to interface with your apps

1:08:36SPEAKERthat's human driven.

1:08:38SPEAKERAnd it seems like some real power user business,

1:08:41SPEAKERwhich I thought was cool.

1:08:42SPEAKER- Yes, it's awesome.

1:08:43SPEAKERI'm actually, I just pulled up Powertoys run again

1:08:44SPEAKERto see what all I can do.

1:08:45SPEAKERSo you can do mathematical equations,

1:08:48SPEAKERsearch files and folders, search programs,

1:08:50SPEAKERnavigate the windows registry, manage windows services.

1:08:54SPEAKER- Unit conversions.

1:08:55SPEAKER- Yes, unit conversions, execute command line commands,

1:08:58SPEAKERlike ping and stuff.

1:09:00SPEAKER- This seems more fully functional.

1:09:02SPEAKERLike that seems like, hey, here's some libraries that we had

1:09:05SPEAKERthat we could do some cool stuff with.

1:09:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just, I mean, you know, whatever the case though

1:09:08SPEAKERI'm glad to see everybody expanding on that.

1:09:10SPEAKERLike, you know, 10 plus years ago,

1:09:13SPEAKERSpotlight was just a way to run programs faster

1:09:15SPEAKERby typing them in.

1:09:17SPEAKERIt was nice to see a lot more functionality.

1:09:19SPEAKERYou remember Alfred?

1:09:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:22SPEAKER- Did all this spawn out of Alfred?

1:09:25SPEAKER- No, no, they wanted to buy Alfred.

1:09:27SPEAKERThe Alfred people told them no,

1:09:28SPEAKERand then they just destroyed them.

1:09:30SPEAKER- They got Sherlocked.

1:09:31SPEAKER- Sherlocked.

1:09:32SPEAKERI think that, I think I actually,

1:09:34SPEAKEReven thinking about Sherlock, Alfred might be,

1:09:36SPEAKERhe might've gotten, I don't remember.

1:09:38SPEAKER- I think Alfred's still going, I think.

1:09:40SPEAKERI'm looking, their blog was updated last week, actually.

1:09:44SPEAKERAlfred, alfordapp.com.

1:09:46SPEAKERI think they still make Alfred.

1:09:48SPEAKER- Oh, there you go.

1:09:50SPEAKER- Anyway.

1:09:53SPEAKERLet's see, the other thing is it's context aware.

1:09:56SPEAKERSo it knows that like,

1:09:58SPEAKERif you always share new documents you create,

1:10:02SPEAKERthen it'll kind of lead you toward a suggested option

1:10:06SPEAKERfor a share when you're opening a new document

1:10:09SPEAKERin your audio editor or whatever,

1:10:12SPEAKERwhich I thought was pretty cool.

1:10:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:15SPEAKER- Okay, last few things and then we can get out of here.

1:10:17SPEAKERThe tvOS stuff, they're adding profiles to it.

1:10:21SPEAKERThey've had profiles to it in a long time.

1:10:23SPEAKERNobody uses them 'cause they're completely invisible

1:10:26SPEAKERin like a third tier menu off of the pop-up menu.

1:10:28SPEAKERNow it's, you can set up the option to prompt you

1:10:32SPEAKERon like the main tv for the house.

1:10:35SPEAKERSo that like my daughter will have her YouTube profile

1:10:37SPEAKERwhen she logs into YouTube

1:10:38SPEAKERand I'll have my Disney profile and all that stuff.

1:10:40SPEAKERThey're also building single sign-on APIs

1:10:42SPEAKERso that you can associate your account

1:10:44SPEAKERwith a Disney+ account or whatever.

1:10:46SPEAKERAnd you won't have to log in at all on the tv

1:10:49SPEAKERwhen you're on your device,

1:10:51SPEAKERif you're already logged down on another device.

1:10:53SPEAKER- Okay, that's cool.

1:10:55SPEAKER- The watch, they made the smart stack more context aware

1:10:59SPEAKERand they showed a couple of cool demos

1:11:01SPEAKERabout like it prompting up the workout stuff

1:11:06SPEAKERwhen you show up at the gym based on your location,

1:11:08SPEAKERadjusting notification volume levels

1:11:10SPEAKERbased on ambient volume,

1:11:12SPEAKERwhich is so you don't have the really loud ding

1:11:14SPEAKERwhen you're in the really quiet room.

1:11:15SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.

1:11:16SPEAKERI just run with my watch on silent all the time.

1:11:20SPEAKER- So do I, but I will tell you when I'm at home,

1:11:23SPEAKERif I could run with it on in a ding

1:11:24SPEAKERwhen it wouldn't like blow out everybody's ears,

1:11:27SPEAKERI would probably leave the noise on.

1:11:28SPEAKER- Sure.

1:11:30SPEAKER- I get so few notifications that pop on the watch

1:11:32SPEAKERthat I don't, it wouldn't be annoying.

1:11:34SPEAKER- Wait, how do they not all just pop on the watch?

1:11:37SPEAKER- You can set, well, A, I prune down my notifications

1:11:40SPEAKERso that hardly anything fires notifications.

1:11:41SPEAKER- Wait, can you tell it on a per app basis

1:11:43SPEAKERnot to send specific?

1:11:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:45SPEAKER- What?

1:11:46SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a core feature.

1:11:47SPEAKERIt's been like that since the launch of the watch.

1:11:49SPEAKER- Are you serious?

1:11:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:51SPEAKER- I thought that you just had to,

1:11:53SPEAKERokay, I looked up bad information then

1:11:55SPEAKER'cause I thought I tried to look up

1:11:56SPEAKERwhether you control that stuff

1:11:57SPEAKERand like the Reddit posts or whatever that I found said,

1:12:00SPEAKERno, when the watch is connected,

1:12:02SPEAKERyou just have to accept all notifications

1:12:03SPEAKERbeing on the watch.

1:12:04SPEAKER- Nope, that's insanity.

1:12:06SPEAKER- Oh my God, I agree.

1:12:07SPEAKERI thought that was insanity.

1:12:09SPEAKER- You go to notifications.

1:12:13SPEAKERYeah, so you mirror iPhone alerts from it

1:12:15SPEAKERand you just turn it off for anything

1:12:16SPEAKERyou don't want alerts on.

1:12:17SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

1:12:18SPEAKER- It's in, on the phone, on the watch app

1:12:21SPEAKERin the notification setting.

1:12:25SPEAKER- And if you tell it not to send them to the watch,

1:12:26SPEAKERthe phone will still light the screen up

1:12:28SPEAKERlike normal and everything?

1:12:29SPEAKER- It'll still light the screen up, yeah.

1:12:30SPEAKER- Okay, all right, this is good to know.

1:12:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:12:32SPEAKER- I also use the smart stack more than I thought I would.

1:12:35SPEAKER- I use it a lot.

1:12:36SPEAKER- Largely though, because I still hate

1:12:38SPEAKERwhat they did to the dock,

1:12:40SPEAKERwhich is to say they killed the dock.

1:12:43SPEAKER- There's no dock anymore, yeah.

1:12:44SPEAKERAnd I use the dock all the time,

1:12:46SPEAKERbut in the absence of the dock,

1:12:47SPEAKERthe smart stack is a decent way to get to the apps

1:12:49SPEAKERthat you're using a lot while they're in use.