292: Winning the Hummingbird War

00:00SPEAKEROkay, I was watching YouTube the other night as one does.

00:02SPEAKERYeah, of course. Who doesn't?

00:03SPEAKERViewing an ad.

00:04SPEAKEROh yeah, I love ads.

00:05SPEAKERAs one often does while watching YouTube.

00:07SPEAKERHey, did you consider signing back up for YouTube TV?

00:10SPEAKERNot really, no.

00:11SPEAKEREvery time I'm on YouTube now, it's like I have to click in and it's like,

00:14SPEAKER"Hey man, you should sign up." I haven't had YouTube TV in 10 years at this point.

00:18SPEAKERWe never actually signed up for YouTube TV.

00:21SPEAKERWe were drafting off of a family member's account, let's say.

00:24SPEAKERWow. Wow. Stunning revelations here today.

00:28SPEAKERI don't mind admitting that now that we are unlikely to sign back up.

00:32SPEAKERAnyway, I was confronted with this ad on YouTube the other night.

00:35SPEAKEROkay, what you got?

00:36SPEAKERAnd I just almost fell out of my chair laughing.

00:39SPEAKERI've got it in front of me. I downloaded it from YouTube so I could code directly from it.

00:42SPEAKERAre you ready?

00:43SPEAKERYeah.

00:44SPEAKERSecurity updates for Windows 10 are ending October 14th, 2025.

00:49SPEAKERUpgrade now to a Windows 11 Pro PC and stay on the right side of RISC.

00:56SPEAKERLook, I like RISC. My understanding is that,

00:59SPEAKERA, Latin America is a linchpin for the entire Western Hemisphere.

01:04SPEAKERAnd also, he who controls Australia controls the world.

01:06SPEAKERThat's right.

01:08SPEAKERYeah, those are the two rules of RISC.

01:09SPEAKERThose are pro tier RISC strats.

01:10SPEAKERI could not believe they were straight up putting Windows 10 end of support date information into

01:15SPEAKERa YouTube ad. I mean, granted, ads are targeted by all sorts of tracking data and stuff.

01:20SPEAKERThis ad is not necessarily going in front of every person who watches YouTube,

01:23SPEAKERbut still this just felt like it. This was this cascading series of goofy pieces of text on the

01:28SPEAKERscreen, like fairly esoteric, like support information about an operating system in an ad.

01:33SPEAKERWell, except for it's not.

01:34SPEAKERAnd then there, well, I know, I know it affects a lot of people, but then.

01:37SPEAKERWhen you click it, did it take you to like HP's buy a new laptop page?

01:41SPEAKERIt seems like an Intel co-marketed situation. It's like pushing like Intel inside,

01:46SPEAKERlike kind of Lunar Lake style, you know, like, hey, Intel laptops are quite good.

01:51SPEAKERBut the thing I've really laughed about is that like the upgrade now I thought was a pitch for

01:55SPEAKERupgrading to Windows 11 before support ends, but no, it was, hey, you should buy a new computer.

02:00SPEAKERI think that they're, they probably have data that says, hey, if you're,

02:03SPEAKERif you've not already upgraded to Windows 11,

02:06SPEAKERthen you probably are on a machine that can't upgrade to Windows 11.

02:10SPEAKERWell, anecdotally though, I think there are a lot of people who have been perfectly

02:14SPEAKEReligible for the upgrade for a while who are very much avoiding it.

02:17SPEAKERI mean, that's possible. The, the weird thing about this is like, I don't get Windows.

02:23SPEAKERI don't have Windows ad, YouTube ad tracking on. My daughter gets really upset when we watch

02:29SPEAKERYouTube videos on my account because she's like, dad, the ads you get are absolutely terrible.

02:33SPEAKERThey're just, they're just, you're all over the place. They're random stuff. There's a

02:37SPEAKERlot of weird right-wing stuff in there. There's a lot of like, Hey man, the chem trails are coming

02:41SPEAKERfor you because the kind of people that don't pay for targeted ads just, they don't care who sees

02:47SPEAKERthe ads. Hang on. Is this a Zoomer thing? Like, are targeted ads actually valued? It's not like,

02:52SPEAKERare you look kids, kids today have a weird relationship with ads. Like, like, is this

03:00SPEAKERlike a thing where personalized ads are actually to be sought after and like getting the generic

03:05SPEAKEReverybody ads is like some kind of low-class signifier or something.

03:10SPEAKERSo she would definitely rather have targeted ads than the ads that I get. That is a hundred

03:16SPEAKERpercent the case. She, she also like, didn't see an ad like ads are really novel for her. Cause she

03:23SPEAKERdidn't really see an ad until she started watching sports on TV with us infrequently, because like,

03:30SPEAKERshe grew up watching movies on our Plex and Netflix and stuff like that. And there's just

03:34SPEAKERno ads. So there didn't used to be, I mean, Netflix is a different story now. There's ways around

03:40SPEAKERthat, but anyway she like to her ads are an exciting novelty, except for when she's watching

03:46SPEAKERlive TV during the Olympics or basketball game or something. And then she's like, why, why did I see

03:51SPEAKERthis car ad 12 times in the same window? So yeah. So like she has a different feeling about ads than

03:58SPEAKERwe do. That's fair. Anyway, just this, this ad capped off with stay on the right side of risk,

04:04SPEAKERlike just drop a little bit of like light fear mongering in there at the end, just to urge

04:08SPEAKERpeople to action. Well, so I was gonna say, I've seen the thumbnail for this ad before.

04:12SPEAKERThis has come up for me. I have not clicked it. It's been like a, it's been like a banner

04:16SPEAKERunderneath the other videos. Yeah. I gather that this right side of risk thing is a

04:20SPEAKERconsolidated marketing campaign that has been launched. Look, they've spent a lot of,

04:24SPEAKERthey thought co-pilot plus get an AI in your PC was going to sell a lot of PCs last summer.

04:29SPEAKERThis is going to be the fall of, you know, fuck you upgrade or else we're going to send

04:35SPEAKERSteve Ballmer to your house to upgrade your fucking PC. He's coming out of retirement.

05:05SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and will made a tech bod. I'm Brad. Hi Brad. Hello. Who are you? Oh,

05:14SPEAKERI'm well, shoot. All right, man. Things are a little hazy, but I'm doing better. Okay. Okay.

05:19SPEAKERAll right. Um, you've had a week since last recording. You sound, you sound pretty normal.

05:23SPEAKERI sound pretty normal. I went to a basketball. I went to see the Valkyries for the first time last

05:28SPEAKERnight. My wife and her sister have been going to a bunch of games, uh, mainly because they're cheap

05:34SPEAKERand it's fun, but I got to go see Kaitlin Clark, the Michael Jordan of the WNBA play basketball

05:42SPEAKERlive last night. That's fun. Now, not, not to just make everything about COVID, but I know it's top

05:46SPEAKERof mind still. Like, can I ask what is your, what is your, what's your masking protocol for a

05:50SPEAKERsituation such as this? Well, I just got sick. So I let every, let my freak bag fly, baby. I got,

05:56SPEAKERI got like two weeks solid of immunity at least. So, uh, normally when I go to see a

06:02SPEAKERsporting event indoors, like if I go to a baseball game, I probably won't wear a mask because

06:06SPEAKEReverything's out outside. I'll just breeze even through like the indoor areas. I think it's like

06:11SPEAKERbasically impossible to catch it outside. Yeah. So, um, this was less, uh, this was less, um,

06:19SPEAKERdense than like when we saw Olivia Rodrigo at chase center, the same venue and I wore a mask

06:25SPEAKERthe whole time there. I probably would have worn a mask, uh, like going into the venue and through

06:30SPEAKERthe common areas. And then when we sat down in the seats, I probably would have taken it off.

06:32SPEAKEROkay. Um, cause like we were, we weren't in the middle, like I was in the middle of the row,

06:38SPEAKERbut where, where their seats are, it's like, like they're on the edge of a row. There's nobody

06:41SPEAKERaround. You're like, there's no traffic around you. It's pretty chill. Yeah. My, my, my gut

06:45SPEAKERintuitive sense, which could be entirely incorrect, but it's typically has been that like the more,

06:50SPEAKERlike the smaller and more enclosed and intimate the space, probably the higher chance of spread,

06:55SPEAKERlike like the like giant cavernous spaces, like an arena or even like a supermarket or something. I

07:00SPEAKERfeel like there's probably much, the chance is much more randomized. Like there's, there's much

07:04SPEAKERmore air to move around and so forth. Yeah. I feel like the basement of like the Nintendo store,

07:10SPEAKERdowntown San Francisco probably is a good place to get COVID chase center so far a hundred percent

07:15SPEAKERsafe. Okay. Um, yeah. So like I wear, I wear masks on trains and buses and stuff like that

07:21SPEAKERwhen I take public transit. Yeah. Anyway, buses around here are good about having the windows

07:25SPEAKERopen, but anyway, this is not a virology podcast. This is what is this? It's a tech podcast.

07:31SPEAKERYeah. Uh, this week we have, we're doing something a little different. We have, um,

07:35SPEAKERI don't know. We, I, we had a name for this. We didn't write it down when we were talking

07:38SPEAKERabout it last night. I had called it like a tech project wishlist. I don't know if that's quite

07:43SPEAKERaccurate or not. It's sort of a taking inventory of upcoming projects, things that we have been

07:47SPEAKERdigging into and like might do soon or maybe a little later down the line, but things we're

07:52SPEAKERthinking about and have started researching and like that might benefit from talking to like,

07:57SPEAKERwe realize we both have some projects that might benefit from talking it out a little bit, like,

08:01SPEAKERlike at least, well, actually kind of all three of mine here, I'm sort of like on the fence of like,

08:06SPEAKERis this actually worth investing time and or money into is, is this like we need to flip our chairs

08:11SPEAKERaround backwards and wrap like we need to write grit. It's time for some real talk here. Yeah.

08:16SPEAKERIt's time for some real talk about travel internet. It isn't real talk Bill Morris show.

08:20SPEAKEROh, I don't know. Probably. Yeah. We don't want to do that, but anyway,

08:25SPEAKERuh, realer talk with Brad and will that's what, that's what this one's going to be.

08:29SPEAKERUm, you want to kick it off? Yeah, sure. Uh, honestly, the whole reason I thought of this

08:33SPEAKERepisode topic was coming out of that summer game fest trip. Yeah. During which I started thinking

08:38SPEAKERpretty seriously to myself, it might be time to get a travel router. You know, I'm gonna go and

08:42SPEAKERtell you, I had a travel router for a long time. So you, okay. This is, this is why I like this

08:47SPEAKERepisode idea is because I can draw on your experience. We can, we can talk through use

08:51SPEAKERcases here and like try to figure out like, Hey, is this actually worth pursuing? So the thing

08:55SPEAKERfor me, I stopped carrying it. Uh, it was really important for me in the time period when you still

09:02SPEAKERhad a working ethernet port in a hotel room and I was traveling a lot, but you didn't, but like

09:08SPEAKERhotel wifi was bad and I typically would have a device or two that I needed to connect with wifi

09:14SPEAKERand it couldn't connect with ethernet. Okay. So the ethernet was going to be a lot of ethernet

09:18SPEAKERport availability in hotel rooms was going to be the sort of eventual crux of this discussion. But

09:23SPEAKERnow that you've mentioned it, I'm just kind of say it up top. The hotel room I was in did not have an

09:27SPEAKERethernet port. They hardly ever do anymore, which is unfortunate because yeah, like the, the, the

09:33SPEAKERideal use case for one of these is plug it into the hard line in the room and then put all your

09:38SPEAKERwifi devices on your router. But also, okay. So we did use them a lot of tested when we were

09:44SPEAKERdoing like production on trips, like we had two kinds of kinds of trips at tested. One was like,

09:52SPEAKERwe would go on a road trip and we'd shoot a bunch of video and then we'd bring the video back home

09:55SPEAKERand we'd edit it. And like, there wasn't like the cataloging cataloging cards at the end of the

10:00SPEAKERnight was basically going into, you know, we'd go eat dinner and then we'd all go back to our rooms

10:05SPEAKERand do our stuff for the next day. And Joey's thing for the next day would be grabbing footage

10:09SPEAKERoff of the thing and putting it on a couple of hard drives. So that in case one conked out,

10:12SPEAKERwe still had the, we didn't lose anything. Right. On the other kind of trips, the ones like when we

10:18SPEAKERgo to CES or E3 or something, we'd shoot a bunch of video and then we'd also post it there. Having

10:23SPEAKERthe travel router was incredibly useful because it made it much easier for like computer to computer

10:28SPEAKERtransfers across the network rather than using an external drive or something like that.

10:31SPEAKERYeah. I mean, you guys had real production needs like that a hundred percent makes sense and proves

10:36SPEAKERits worth. Like in my case, I mean, I used to do a ton of work in hotel rooms 15 to 20 years ago,

10:42SPEAKERlike had needs like that, but those days are pretty much over. Like at Summer Game Fest,

10:47SPEAKERthis was, this was just like personal use really. There are two angles for me here. There's the

10:55SPEAKERsecurity angle, which is like maybe not as pressing as it seems because I think most, most, most

11:02SPEAKERtraffic, especially web traffic, but pretty much anything that your devices are doing is individually

11:07SPEAKERencrypted already, you know, HTTPS and things like that exist where, I mean, you know, you might,

11:12SPEAKERyour DNS traffic maybe is not encrypted to be fair, if you're worried about somebody sniffing

11:17SPEAKERthat on a public wifi or something, but. Well, but it'd be easy to put wire, like you have

11:21SPEAKERWireGuard on your phone probably already in most of your devices. I have been having some issues.

11:26SPEAKERThe one, the phone's been fine. My laptop, I did the trial last month. And so I had a lot of like

11:31SPEAKERlunch hours in the courthouse on their wifi and then immediately went into this hotel thing. In

11:37SPEAKERboth cases, I was having a lot of issues VPNing on my laptop and I'm not a hundred percent sure why,

11:42SPEAKERlike it was just causing like bad instability on the connection. I wonder if you have a,

11:46SPEAKERI wonder if you have a bum version and you just need to update or something. WireGuard auto

11:50SPEAKERupdates. It should all be up to date. It's like, I got it out of the app store on macOS, so it

11:56SPEAKERshould be updating itself. Something I actually came to realize talking to some people in the

11:59SPEAKERnetwork channel is that a lot of enterprise networking wifi stuff these days is doing all

12:05SPEAKERkinds of profiling of client devices to detect what they consider to be threats. Oh, of course.

12:11SPEAKERAnd so like the, like there's an, and it's not like, as I understand it, it's not like your

12:16SPEAKERlaptop advertises to whatever it's connecting to, Hey, I'm I'm a Mac book or Hey, I'm a Mac OS

12:20SPEAKERclient. It's like, they are, they were looking at a bunch of attributes of how the device is

12:25SPEAKERconnecting to the network and using the network, sending traffic, like what ports are in use,

12:31SPEAKERstuff like that. Like whether you're all going to one end point or you're going to a bunch of

12:34SPEAKERdifferent end points, stuff like that. They're like Mac address profiling, like all kinds of

12:37SPEAKERstuff basically to determine. And so like they actually, again, you know, we have a fair number

12:42SPEAKERof like network professionals on the discord and like actually kind of got the sense that like,

12:46SPEAKERlike they were saying like, Hey, they might consider laptops to be a threat in a way that

12:50SPEAKERiPhones are not. And that might be why VPN is working fine on your phone and not

12:54SPEAKERon your laptop on the same SSID. Oh, that's weird. Anyway, so there's that there's the,

13:01SPEAKERthere's like the scary angle, but actually it's the convenience angle was the bigger one for me.

13:05SPEAKERLike just not having to like, it's a pain like, okay, so going to a hotel, going to some venue,

13:10SPEAKERsomething connecting to the wifi kind of sucks. There's always some sort of captive portal,

13:15SPEAKERnonsense you have to click through. Like it's, it's, it's not great. The thing I've found over

13:20SPEAKERthe last few years is that my 5g phone hotspot is invariably better than the wifi in the hotel.

13:26SPEAKERYeah. The wifi was not good in this hotel at all. So like that might've actually been a dead end to

13:31SPEAKEReven have a travel router in this case. I think. Yeah. Like I can't remember which brand it is. Is

13:37SPEAKERit Hilton? I think Hilton's have maybe the worst wifi as a brand that I've ever seen or whatever,

13:44SPEAKERwhatever, whatever group owns Sheridan is, is who has terrible wifi. I've, I've gotten a bunch of

13:49SPEAKERtheir hotels. It's always bad. Like I wrote a note one time. It was so bad because they charged me

13:55SPEAKERfor it. And I was like, this is unusable. I had better internet than this. When I lived in

14:00SPEAKERTennessee and had ISDN, you guys suck. You know, it would be a fun episode,

14:04SPEAKERwhich I doubt we could put together. Cause I doubt they would talk about it,

14:06SPEAKERbut if we could just sort of anonymously get like the IT from six or eight random corporate hotels,

14:12SPEAKERor really own hotels to talk about, like, I would just love to know like, Hey, what is the

14:15SPEAKERconnection that is supplying internet to your entire hotel? Is it, is it one DSL line being

14:21SPEAKERsplit across the whole building? Like what are you doing at this point? That's what it often feels

14:26SPEAKERlike. Yeah. I, I, I would not be surprised if it's one DSL line in some cases. I, I, we had somebody

14:33SPEAKERin, I can't remember if it was tested or if it was in the tech pod days, but we had somebody who

14:41SPEAKERworked at a big hotel chain right in when I complained about this last time. And it was,

14:47SPEAKERit was interesting. Well, actually, you know, the Q and A is next week. So if you,

14:50SPEAKERif you work in hotel IT or know people who do, I would love to hear some details.

14:55SPEAKERYeah. Send it in. Let's get the juice. But, but you're a hundred percent right. It's actually,

14:58SPEAKERit was the convenience factor more than the security one that really started making me

15:02SPEAKERthink about this because, you know, I, I don't know about you, but I kind of take everything

15:06SPEAKERthat I might use with me. Laptop. Really? I take nothing. What? Okay. I often travel with just

15:12SPEAKERa phone. Wow. My standard kit is laptop, iPad, MacBook, switch. Madness. Wow. Of course the

15:19SPEAKERwatch. Cause that's a wearable. Typically that's it, but that's still, that's still five devices

15:23SPEAKERthat could connect to wifi. So getting, getting, I would, I think I would rather make the trade off

15:28SPEAKERof carrying one little extra box because these things are quite small at this point. I would

15:32SPEAKERrather carry the one extra box that I have already configured all those devices to connect to once.

15:38SPEAKERThat's true. And then just plug that thing in or get that thing on the local wifi and instead of,

15:42SPEAKERinstead of getting each of those devices on the wifi, like really, really as with everything,

15:48SPEAKERthis all comes back to Fortnite because that, that death, that death star events,

15:52SPEAKERthat one day death star event happened while I was down there. Did you get to see it? No, I did not.

15:57SPEAKERI had my, I had my switch one with me. Oh, I mean, I was kind of busy. Like I had appointments,

16:02SPEAKERlike I would, I, I could have tried to cram it in and half an hour on Saturday morning before I went

16:06SPEAKERoff to do meetings, but having to get that switch online with the hotels, weird captive portal that

16:12SPEAKERmakes you enter your room number and all that stuff. I was just like, I don't feel like dealing

16:16SPEAKERwith this. I'm just not going to, but like if you, if you had all your devices on wifi that you

16:20SPEAKERcontrolled and you just had to plug in that one box like that actually that's got a lot of appeal

16:25SPEAKERto me. And I think I would actually be happy to add one extra little do hickey to carry with me

16:30SPEAKERin exchange. Well, so maybe you just need a a hotspot. Yeah. You could put the router together,

16:40SPEAKERput it in a hotspot and how could get up to a big USB battery and be like 90% of the way to like not

16:47SPEAKERever having to connect to the thing, but you'll have to pay more. You'll have to pay another

16:50SPEAKERconnection fee. That's 10 bucks a month or whatever. I've done a little bit of preliminary

16:56SPEAKERresearch looking around like, like there are DIY options here, but for once I don't think that's

17:00SPEAKERwhat I would want to deal with. Like you could, you could take a raspberry pie and plug like a.

17:05SPEAKERYeah. That seems really not good in a bad way. The thing I've seen the most recommendations for

17:12SPEAKERis this company GL I net. Okay. That makes it's it's styled GL dot I net is if you want to Google

17:19SPEAKERit. It's a terrible. Yeah. It's not great. It's not great. And I cannot endorse this company. This

17:24SPEAKERis just like, I was just Googling like best travel routers and this was coming up a lot in various

17:28SPEAKERthreads I was finding, but they, they they're pretty cheap. The, the little boxes this company

17:32SPEAKERsells are like, they range from like 42. I think their most expensive wifi seven one is like 140.

17:39SPEAKERThey've got a little fold down antennas that look kind of cool. They've got like a couple of

17:42SPEAKERethernet ports on them. Crucially for me, they, they run open WRT. Like it's not, it's not some

17:49SPEAKERstock firmware. I think it, I think it's generic open WRT. I don't think it's modified by them,

17:53SPEAKERalthough I could be wrong, but like they advertise, they advertise like speeds for wire guard and open

17:58SPEAKERVPN right there on their product pages. So it's like techie enough for me to, you know, it's like,

18:03SPEAKERoh, this one gets 300 megabits per second throughput over wire guard and 150 open VPN,

18:07SPEAKERlike stuff like that. Can you, can you put a cellular, can you like hook a USB cellular

18:12SPEAKERmodem up to these things and just be good to go? I would assume so. That sounds pretty good to me.

18:17SPEAKERI would assume so like they're, they're, they're like high-end wifi six model is like 80 bucks. So

18:21SPEAKERit's actually like a pretty low investment to try out. They're they're also the newer ones are USB-C

18:27SPEAKERpowered. So I assume you could run them off of your Mac book. That sounds pretty good. Yeah.

18:33SPEAKERYou should be learning off the Mac book. I would think so 30 Watts. I didn't look up the specs on

18:38SPEAKERit, but it can't, it can't be a ton. It can't be high wattage that much power. Although I think

18:45SPEAKERit's also time if I get a travel router, I think it's also time to get one of those multi-port

18:48SPEAKERgallium nitride USB-C chargers. Like I it's, I'm like two years overdue to get one of those things.

18:54SPEAKERSo when those were on sale, so for folks who don't know, these are gallium nitride,

18:58SPEAKERthey're just really, really small high power USB-C chargers. Like the size of an old iPhone

19:05SPEAKERplug, basically it'll charge your laptop or maybe closer to a laptop brick size. If you get one of

19:10SPEAKERthe ones that has like four ports on it, which, which is what I would do because I already roll

19:14SPEAKERwith my Mac book charger when I travel, which is the same size with one port on it, which just

19:19SPEAKERfeels like it feels like a huge waste of space. You know, like if I could get a brick that's

19:22SPEAKERroughly the same size that I can plug three to four devices into at the same time, like that's,

19:26SPEAKERthat's the way. Well, it's interesting. So I, I, when Anker put those on sale the first time I

19:31SPEAKERgot some of the, I think they're 45 watt max dual, like there's one 45 watt port or one 60 watt port

19:39SPEAKERand one 30 watt port. And I use those all the time when I travel. Cause they're like, those are like

19:44SPEAKERthe size of an, of an iPhone, like a little bit bigger than an old iPhone charger. And and like,

19:51SPEAKERbasically just every, when we go on a trip, I don't, I guess you don't know this cause you

19:55SPEAKERhave kids, but like what my, one of the things that I always pack on trips is all the charging

20:00SPEAKERapparatus. Okay. So I have a little like DOP, like, like Patreon sent us a DOP, a couple of

20:06SPEAKERDOP kits a few years ago and all of the chargers live in those for the whole family. So there's

20:13SPEAKERlike one of those gallium nitride chargers for each person for phones and tablets. And then,

20:19SPEAKERthen that's, then if somebody needs like a watch charger or something like that, then we have one

20:23SPEAKERmore, but yeah, it's really, really handy. I highly recommend those. Sure. Also crucially,

20:28SPEAKERthe little tiny desk area in this room only had one power outlet. So like that went to my MacBook

20:33SPEAKERcharger, which again has one port on it. Like I like having, being able to plug everything

20:37SPEAKERstraight into the wall would be really nice there, including the travel router. Nothing I like more

20:41SPEAKERthan a big power plug just right beside the bed on the floor with like 12 wires snaking out of it.

20:48SPEAKERYeah. I might try one of those things. I don't know. I maybe I'll reach out to that company or

20:52SPEAKERjust buy one. I'm not sure. There, there are other options. Like I looked around like MicroTik,

20:56SPEAKERwhich is pretty high end network kind of prosumer SOHO. Yeah. They make, they make a bunch of

21:01SPEAKERhome DIY routers or an open sense and stuff like that too. Their stuff all runs their own software

21:06SPEAKERactually. Oh, that's right. Yeah. We have people who are advocate for that. Some, some MicroTik

21:10SPEAKERfans. There's, there's also Firewalla, which I don't have much experience with at all, but I

21:14SPEAKERthink people like their stuff too. Like both of those are more expensive just from the little bit

21:18SPEAKERI looked around that they're tiny router travel options. Those are definitely substantially more

21:23SPEAKERexpensive, but I might continue looking into this. I don't do a lot of business travel anymore. Like

21:28SPEAKERI'm not in hotels a ton, but like when I am, it would really be nice to just have this in place

21:33SPEAKERand just have all my stuff work. It would be nice to just have pie hole automatically wherever you

21:38SPEAKERare. Absolutely. Like that, like all of my devices would be connected to a thing that's like, I

21:42SPEAKERwouldn't, in my case, I would just set this up to permanently connect to the WireGuard instance in

21:46SPEAKERmy house and then all my devices would just be going through my or blocky rather than pie hole

21:52SPEAKERat this point. But like, yeah. Yeah. It seems like a fun thing to dabble with if nothing else.

21:58SPEAKERSo I, we talked about DIY bird cameras a few years ago or just bird cameras a few years

22:04SPEAKERago rather. And we talked about it a few weeks ago. Really? Yeah. The duck can't remember the

22:08SPEAKERduck camera. Somebody else's bird camera. The duck camera came up on, on extensively on the last Q&A.

22:14SPEAKERSo I'm thinking about specifically feeder cameras. We have, we, we get five different species of

22:20SPEAKERhummingbirds at least here because we're on the migration path throughout the year. There's two

22:24SPEAKERor three that live here all the time or at least big chunks of the year. And then there's a few

22:28SPEAKERmore that come through and as a result, we get hummingbird wars at our hummingbird feeder. We

22:36SPEAKERhave two or three feeders depending on like, you know, how clean stuff is and whether we need to

22:40SPEAKERreplace one or what. But the hummingbirds come to the feeders and some of them, some of them light,

22:46SPEAKERsome of them sit down on like a little peg and sit there, which like, like most of the hummingbirds

22:51SPEAKERI grew up with on the East coast, just don't do that. They're always hovers. I don't think I've

22:54SPEAKERever seen a hummingbird perch before. Yeah. Yeah. So they'll like the Anna's will just sit there

22:59SPEAKERand just like, just go ham on the feeder for like five minutes. The the, we get rufuses,

23:08SPEAKERwe get black chinned. We get, we get a couple others and like they're complete assholes to

23:15SPEAKEReach other, enormous. So they come up and they're like, you know, cause hummingbird, hummingbird

23:21SPEAKERchirps are really, really high pitched. You, you just hear them. Like it's almost sounds like

23:28SPEAKERclicks sometimes and like little tiny whistles and they scream at each other and they hover around

23:33SPEAKEReach other and they like jab at each other with their beaks. And then one flies off and the other

23:38SPEAKERone sits on the feeder. So the, the, the. The problem is there's a couple of commercial

23:45SPEAKERhummingbird feeder products, but none of them seem particularly good or the ones that are good are

23:51SPEAKERlike $500. And I'm not spending that on a hummingbird camera. How do they build those? Like,

23:55SPEAKERI mean, do they literally call them hummingbird cameras? Are they that sort of fit for purpose?

23:59SPEAKERThey're literally a camera integrated with like a hummingbird feeder. And so that's the other

24:03SPEAKERproblem is hummingbird feeders have a finite lifespan. If you don't want to accidentally

24:08SPEAKERkill the hummingbirds because it will, the plastic bits, because they're exposed to sugar

24:14SPEAKERwater, basically they tend to grow mold and bacteria, of course. So you can, you can clean

24:22SPEAKERthem, but exposure to time and porosity of the plastic and all that stuff. Eventually you get

24:28SPEAKERto a place where you're risking killing the hummingbirds by giving them bacteria and mold

24:32SPEAKERpoisoning in their, in their feeders. I mean, are there no metal, are there no like higher end,

24:37SPEAKERlike metal? Well, the metal ones rust. So that's the other problem, right? I mean, I'm not, I mean,

24:43SPEAKERmaybe, but like, I guess my point is the bird camera ones are all attached to crappy plastic

24:49SPEAKERfeatures that look like they're not going to, like, I could look at the feeder and be like,

24:53SPEAKEROh yeah, this one's going to be a problem to keep clean. And I don't want to kill the hummingbirds.

24:58SPEAKERSo, so what I want to do is get a good hummingbird feeder and use a good camera on it. Now, the

25:06SPEAKERproblem is there's a couple of problems actually. Optics are a little bit of a challenge because

25:12SPEAKERmost of the kind of like security camera stuff that you would use for this, that's going to

25:16SPEAKERinclude software that will automatically trigger the ability to do recordings and stuff like that,

25:22SPEAKERisn't probably going to be great for the range at which the birds will be at, which is probably

25:28SPEAKERless than a foot, four inches maybe. Now you can fix that with like stick on optics. There's a,

25:35SPEAKERthere's a, thanks to phone cameras, there's a large market of, Hey, we can get a fisheye

25:39SPEAKERlens. It'll tap out that you can glue on over your, your security camera lens. The problem is

25:47SPEAKERa lot of the action doesn't happen on the feeding part of the feeder. So you need kind of a wider

25:53SPEAKERcamera. That's a little bit further away. You want to get all that dog fighting.

25:57SPEAKERYeah. I want, I want the dog. I want the war. I want the hummingbird war.

26:00SPEAKERAnd also I want the sound too. And I want a pretty good, I want pretty good frame rate

26:08SPEAKERand maybe the ability to do higher frame rate. Okay. That was exactly where I was just dying

26:14SPEAKERto jump in and be like, okay, can we do high speed here so we can see some slow-mo hummingbird

26:18SPEAKERfighting? Yeah. Like two 40 Hertz high speed with hummingbirds looks awesome because you can see

26:23SPEAKERtheir wings move. Right. And I, I just, I am, I've dug into it a lot. There's a lot of like

26:32SPEAKERbird house, Hey, you can watch the birds nest projects. There's a lot of stuff like that.

26:37SPEAKERI have not found anything that is remotely suitable for hummingbirds. There's a lot of

26:43SPEAKERlike, Hey, you can repurpose a security camera and then glue on a wide angle lens. And like,

26:47SPEAKERthat is not going to do the thing that I want. Mostly because a, the security cameras rarely

26:52SPEAKERhave sound and B the frame rates and the camera, like the cameras just aren't very good on the

26:57SPEAKERsecurity, most security cameras. So so that's kind of where I'm at. There's one, there's a

27:03SPEAKERReddit thread. I think this person basically was like, Hey, I want to get a home kit hummingbird

27:08SPEAKERfeeder camera. And then like it, the thread just went nowhere. So. You can be the pioneer in this

27:16SPEAKERspace. You can, you can blaze the trail. You can make the Reddit thread or the blog, but well,

27:19SPEAKERI guess in your case, the newsletter, I'd probably do a newsletter for this one. Yeah. That spells

27:23SPEAKERout the way to go. But yeah, so if people have, if people have, I would love feedback on like,

27:30SPEAKERhonestly, the big challenge I've found is finding a good high speed camera. That'll work in an

27:37SPEAKERoutdoor situation. And, and ideally like, ideally I don't want to capture 24 hours loops of 240 Hertz

27:48SPEAKER10 AP video. That's a lot. Yeah, it would be a lot. So I, what I, what I, what I want is motion

27:53SPEAKERtriggered and yeah, I'd be, I'd be curious to people have feedback on that. I wonder if,

27:57SPEAKERI wonder if you're going to find, I mean, all, all the parameters you're looking for high speed,

28:01SPEAKERlike the, you know, the optics situation. I wonder if you're going to find that in combination with

28:05SPEAKERthe typical IP camera suite of connectivity, you know? I don't think so. That's the other thing is

28:10SPEAKERcause you're going to want a camera that we've talked about this before that can stream video

28:14SPEAKERover a network, over a common video protocol that you can intercept with something and record.

28:19SPEAKERSo, so the, the place that I went down the furthest, the hole that I went down the furthest

28:23SPEAKERwas old phone camps because the phone camera is like an, like an old pixel phone camera,

28:31SPEAKERspecifically, you know, an Android phone, I can tap into the software. It has the high speed.

28:36SPEAKERYeah. That's an interesting idea. And then there's like, there's all, like you said,

28:39SPEAKERthere's all those aftermarket optics that literally are designed to fit onto that phone.

28:42SPEAKERYeah. And you can buy external enclosures for those. And then I could probably power it with

28:48SPEAKEReither a PoE dongle or a little, a little solar panel. That sounds like a pretty solid option.

28:54SPEAKERI bet. I bet also I bet the second hand, like two to three generation old pixel market is

29:00SPEAKERpretty robust. Yeah. Cause like, like a pixel phone from two years ago would be fine for this.

29:04SPEAKERRight. So anyway, that that's that, that I just, I, I, I literally looked at it for iPhone. I didn't

29:12SPEAKERlook at it for Android phone and was talking about, I was like, oh, I should look up phones

29:15SPEAKERfor this. Cause this might be the answer. That sounds cool. But anyway, yeah. So hummingbird

29:20SPEAKERcamera. Yeah. All right. My next thing, okay. This I am going to do this weekend because I have

29:27SPEAKERpersonal travel coming up next month and I want this in place by then.

29:30SPEAKERAll right. I'm going to jailbreak my Kindle. Why? I'll tell you why. So, so I started thinking

29:36SPEAKERabout this earlier this year. I thought you had done this back when Amazon pulled their DRM, DRM

29:41SPEAKERjack move earlier this year, which was decrypted all of my books. Yeah. So I ended up doing that

29:47SPEAKERtoo. What, what Amazon did earlier this year was close off one of the options or maybe the only

29:52SPEAKERoption at that point for getting your purchase Amazon books off of your Kindle in a DRM freeway.

29:59SPEAKERYeah. So there's other ways to do it now. They're more involved.

30:02SPEAKERI can't understand. I, you know, the internet always finds a way, right? Like anytime somebody's

30:07SPEAKERlike, Hey, it's your last chance to do this thing before this corporation clamps down on your

30:10SPEAKERfreedom to do so. And then two weeks later, it was like, Hey, we found a new way. Well,

30:14SPEAKERyeah, this one was like, this way is really dead simple. And it's like,

30:18SPEAKERyou know, just download the books and hit a couple of buttons and then all of your stuff is done.

30:23SPEAKERYeah. But yeah. So, so I ended up doing that too. I got all of the books that I own on whatever

30:28SPEAKERAmazon calls its Kindle store, digital library, Kindle store. But from that point I started

30:35SPEAKERthinking like, maybe I should go a little further with this device. And so I've been looking into

30:40SPEAKERKindle jailbreaking and modding and so forth. The big reason, the main reason I want to do it

30:46SPEAKERis a software called co-reader. It is literally just a different book reading piece of software.

30:54SPEAKERIt replaces, it replaces the built-in Amazon interface for reading books. I will say right

31:00SPEAKERnow, before I go any further here, if I had done more research that my Kindle is it's an 11th gen

31:06SPEAKERpaperwhite. So I've had it for two years. I got them at the same time. We bought it for three

31:11SPEAKERyears. Maybe it was three years ago. Now, if I had done more research at the time, I kind of just

31:15SPEAKERwent into that thinking, I mean, maybe this was like 10 year old outdated thinking that like the

31:18SPEAKERKindle was still just the thing to get in the e-reader space. Like I've, I've since come to

31:23SPEAKERlearn that like a lot of people really like things like Kobo's better or there's books B O O X.

31:28SPEAKERThere are other options that are more open and less like kind of corporately controlled than

31:32SPEAKERthe Kindle these days. Yeah. And I think the books when you can even put a Kindle app on, right?

31:37SPEAKERProbably. I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know that for sure. But, but the point is

31:40SPEAKERsome of those other third-party e-readers can install a co-reader on their own without

31:46SPEAKERjailbreaking, without modification. What's the benefit of co-reader? It's basically just better

31:50SPEAKERreading software. It adds a lot more options than the built-in Kindle one does, or in some cases

31:55SPEAKERenables options that are only available on the much higher end Kindles. Like I forget what are the,

31:59SPEAKERis it Voyager? Oasis and all those. Yeah. It's the much, much more like, for example,

32:03SPEAKERyou can do a landscape mode on any Kindle with co-reader and you can do to call them landscape

32:08SPEAKERmode. Oh, fancy. Like way more font options, way more, way more options for just customizing the

32:14SPEAKERreading experience. Probably the bigger thing though, actually than the reading experience

32:19SPEAKERis you can just drag and drop files onto the Kindle over USB and they just show up in the

32:22SPEAKERlibrary. Well, that seems nice. No more dealing with Amazon's like send to Kindle web interface

32:27SPEAKERthat seems to fail half the time or using that bespoke email address. They give you like, Hey,

32:34SPEAKERemail documents. Like I've, I've gotten I've gotten books from publishers before like books

32:39SPEAKERthat are not out yet for like like when we had Jason Schreier on the next lender podcast last

32:45SPEAKERfall, I ended up missing that because of the hurricane, but he, he wrote a book about Blizzard

32:48SPEAKERthat I've read and his publisher sent us advance ebook copies. It took me, I don't know how long

32:55SPEAKERand how many tries to get that copy of the book they sent us to show up on my Kindle. Really?

32:59SPEAKERLike going through, right. I tried the email address and the, the send to Kindle web interface

33:03SPEAKERand like, I just, it just kept failing over and over. Oh, see, I use the send to Kindle web

33:07SPEAKERinterface all the time and it works. It's worked pretty consistently for me. I've had spotty spotty

33:13SPEAKERluck with their tools for that stuff. I mean, it's definitely not a focus and they definitely don't

33:18SPEAKERmake like the send to Kindle interface easy to find because they want you to just buy the thing

33:22SPEAKERfrom the store. Well, and also, and this is not apparent to the user, but under the hood,

33:26SPEAKERthey are converting whatever EPUB or PDF, whatever format you send through that interface to whatever

33:31SPEAKERtheir encrypted custom Amazon format is. That's another example or another benefit of co-reader

33:36SPEAKERis that it supports like every file format you can think of. So if you've got a PDF or an EPUB

33:41SPEAKERor whatever it is, just drag it on there. It also syncs with caliber. I have come to realize

33:46SPEAKERin watching some YouTube. Oh, did you know? Yeah, I learned, I look, I got a lot of messages. I see.

33:51SPEAKEROkay. The book management software formerly known as Calibre. Yeah, it's caliber. Caliber

33:58SPEAKERbecause the guy's British. But caliber will sync books over wifi to co-reader as well.

34:04SPEAKEROh, that's nice. Yes. So like there are a lot of more easy options for getting more different

34:08SPEAKERtypes and formats of books onto the thing. I'll link the YouTube video that I watched about the

34:13SPEAKERjailbreak and co-reader and stuff like that in here, because he does a nice video tutorial of

34:17SPEAKERwhat options co-reader enables that just, it just looks like a better experience. Also,

34:22SPEAKERthis is anecdotal, but watching him navigate that software, I'd swear it seems faster and

34:27SPEAKERmore responsive than the built-in Amazon interface. Well, so it's, it's funny cause I buy,

34:34SPEAKERI buy like, I often will buy a book collection from humble if there's a lot of, if they,

34:40SPEAKERif they have a lot of things that I'm interested in and that, that fulfills through Kobo, I think.

34:45SPEAKEROkay. So like there's always a, Hey, I have to decrypt this using caliber and then I have to

34:54SPEAKERemail them to myself or use the upload thing to get into the Kindle library. It seems like it'd

34:59SPEAKERbe nice to just move in between. But the other thing is I've been having trouble with e-readers

35:04SPEAKERas I've gotten older, like e-ink. I don't know what it is about my eyes now, but I pick up the

35:11SPEAKERdepth on the bubbles in the, in the fonts. So that like the serifs sometimes feel like they're

35:16SPEAKERcloser to the surface of the screen than the other parts of the ligatures of the typeface. And it's

35:23SPEAKERreally hard to read, but only sometimes. So when I do the, when I set the, the e-reader to do a

35:29SPEAKERcomplete page refresh every time, instead of just changing the, like doing the small number of

35:33SPEAKERpixels, it seems fine, but then the battery life goes to hell in them and it's like much less

35:38SPEAKERvaluable as an option. Interesting. I do wonder about battery life with this stuff. I do wonder

35:43SPEAKERif, you're going to see a hit. Yeah. That's my fear is that, you know, Amazon is probably

35:47SPEAKERoptimizing for that in a way that Homebrew is not necessarily, but. Well you got that GaN charger,

35:52SPEAKERjust plug it in a little more often. So the thing that surprised me the most about the jailbreak,

35:56SPEAKERI'll link this in the show notes, but Kindle modding.org is a really nice clean Wiki that

36:01SPEAKERvery clearly lays out here is every historical model of Kindle and what process is for

36:06SPEAKERjailbreaking that particular model, which firmware version it needs to be on. I think it's only the

36:11SPEAKERvery newest firmware right now that can't be jailbroken, but it seems like there's a leapfrog

36:15SPEAKERthing of, you know, they put out a new firmware and then some weeks or months later, they figure

36:20SPEAKERout how to jailbreak that one. So you do have to pay attention to that. And I haven't gone through

36:24SPEAKERthe whole process yet, but it does seem, it seems both really easy, but also a bit detail oriented

36:29SPEAKERin ways that you need to be aware of. Like the jailbreaking process is literally just downloading

36:33SPEAKERsome files and copying them to the Kindle over USB and then rebooting the Kindle. Like that's

36:37SPEAKERbasically it, but you do need to do things in a certain order to make sure that a future over

36:43SPEAKERthe air update doesn't blow away the jailbreak. That makes sense. So there's a little bit of

36:46SPEAKERfiddliness there, but it seems quite easy if you follow the Wiki steps. The big one for me is this

36:51SPEAKERwould have been a deal breaker if this were not the case, but you can just factory reset the

36:55SPEAKERKindle and completely remove all of the jailbreak. Yeah. It's not like they ban people for jailbreaking

37:00SPEAKERor anything like that. Right. So you can, they could, they definitely could. But it is reversible

37:06SPEAKERas of now, but the, like I said, the thing that really surprised me is that you're still running

37:10SPEAKERthe Amazon OS once this is jailbroken, I kind of assumed this was some whole OS replacement,

37:15SPEAKERlike it was running Linux or something after jailbreak, but yeah, but it is absolute. Like

37:19SPEAKERyou can still get to the Amazon breeder, the Amazon library, like all the built-in factory stuff

37:24SPEAKERis there. It's just, you have an extra launcher that lets you launch stuff like code reader.

37:29SPEAKERYeah. It's interesting. I might actually mess around with this. It sounds fun.

37:34SPEAKERYeah. I'll link the stuff in the show notes. It seems pretty easy. There's a bunch of other stuff

37:38SPEAKERyou can do with the jailbreak that I am almost certainly not going to do. There's a Game Boy

37:42SPEAKERemulator. It seems low value. There is an Alpine Linux distribution you can install.

37:48SPEAKERNo, no, don't need that. Is it, can you play snake?

37:52SPEAKERYou can play way more than snake. I mean, I saw in this video, he's playing Tetris,

37:56SPEAKERhe's playing Pokemon. Can't imagine playing Tetris on an e-ink screen. It's going to be great.

38:00SPEAKERYeah. I'm not so sure. Like I, there might be cases where having a full Linux distribution

38:05SPEAKERavailable on there could come in handy. That's some real Neal Stephenson business.

38:09SPEAKERI am not going to do that. Here's something I might actually do. There is a home assistant

38:13SPEAKERapp for this, or there's a way to hook into your home assistant.

38:16SPEAKERNow that seems like a good way to upcycle an old Kindle.

38:19SPEAKERTotally. In fact, I actually, I believe it's the same video I was watching. This guy took a very

38:23SPEAKERold Kindle and 3d printed a wall for it and just turned it into a permanent, like installed in the

38:30SPEAKERhouse, like control panel for home assistant. That sounds pretty good.

38:32SPEAKERRunning on an e-ink screen. So like that actually is a super cool idea, but.

38:36SPEAKERSo that, that, Hey, let's have a big e-ink screen that controls your home assistant install

38:41SPEAKERis one of the things that I've looked at those books, tablets for in the past,

38:44SPEAKERbecause that's a, they run Google play and they also make kind of big ones. Like they

38:50SPEAKERmake a 10 inch, they make a 10 inch screen. Is there any danger with e-ink of burn-in?

38:59SPEAKERI mean, I don't think so. I don't know why there would be.

39:03SPEAKERI mean, it's designed for displaying the same image for quite a long time.

39:06SPEAKERYeah. I guess it's probably resilient to that. I hope.

39:09SPEAKERWell, yeah. Like it works by moving particles through fluid. So like if it stops working,

39:14SPEAKERit'll like it's because either the charge thing on the bottom that makes the particles go away or

39:19SPEAKERcome closer or the fluid has a problem. So in my case, like I frequently am lying in bed at night

39:26SPEAKERwithout any other devices that can control home assistant nearby and all the lights in the bedroom

39:30SPEAKERare on smart plugs. So if I forget to, if the timer is not convenient on those lamps or I forget to

39:36SPEAKERhave a phone near me or something, it's a real pain to turn the lights off. So having, you know,

39:40SPEAKERthe Kindle is frequently the only thing I have in bed. So you just say, Hey, Siri, turn off the

39:45SPEAKERlights. Might surprise you to hear, I have disabled all of the, it doesn't surprise me at all voice

39:50SPEAKERactivated. Hey, Siri functionality, one bit, not one bit. Anyway, this, this all seems quite easy

39:55SPEAKERto do and just gives you a bunch more flexibility for how you use your Kindle. And I'm, I'm pretty

39:59SPEAKERexcited about it, I think. Well, so it's funny the, the, the using the E Ink screen, this is

40:05SPEAKERwhen I, this is the thing I forgot that I couldn't remember when we were talking about this last

40:08SPEAKERnight, the home. I I've I've, I have walked down the hole and come back multiple times now on

40:17SPEAKERbuilding one of those home kind of console panels. Like it's a, it's like a home organizer. It's like

40:24SPEAKERa shared calendar for the home. That's on an, on a big screen. And like, I don't exactly know why

40:33SPEAKERI haven't done it. Cause it would be really useful. I mean, some of our household doesn't

40:38SPEAKERreally like using electronic calendars. They like using paper cause you know, 20th century.

40:43SPEAKERIs there Luddites? I mean,

40:45SPEAKERNo, I get it. I'm joking. Luddites are good, Brad. It turns out,

40:47SPEAKERremember you have to remember that. But, but yeah, no, it's, there's just too much complexity

40:55SPEAKERin the space and I don't know what I want and I don't really want to pay for something. And I have

40:59SPEAKERa couple of big old screens that should do this. Like I have this old electronic objects, electric

41:06SPEAKERobjects frame from like, I don't know. I bought it as a Kickstarter 10 years ago.

41:13SPEAKERHow big is it?

41:16SPEAKERPretty big. It's like 19 inches, I think.

41:18SPEAKEROkay. That's pretty good. I mean, I was going to ask like, what is, what is, what is the common

41:21SPEAKERbiggest size of touchscreen you can get these days? Although that's 10 years ago, I'm sure

41:24SPEAKERthey're bigger now. Well, so that's the thing. A lot of these aren't even touchscreens. These

41:28SPEAKERare just displays. So they're just for like, Hey, here's, what's going on with everybody today.

41:32SPEAKERHere's everybody's calendars for the day. Here's the weather. Here's what, here's the scratch

41:37SPEAKERboard that you can post to with your phone, stuff like that. And like, I, it just doesn't seem that

41:44SPEAKERuseful for the amount of effort that's going to go into setting it up and keeping it maintained.

41:50SPEAKERSo, you know, I guess we're going to keep using the calendars with the dry erase markers. I don't

41:56SPEAKERknow. Have you ever thought about doing a smart mirror? If it's not going to be touched to begin

42:02SPEAKERwith, smart mirrors look so cool. I mean, I, my, when I, when we replaced our bathroom mirror

42:08SPEAKERcabinet thing, I specifically bought one with the doors that are thick enough that I can cut out,

42:14SPEAKERtake the mirror off, cut out a piece of it and then glue the mirror back on. And I, I don't

42:22SPEAKERthink I want electricity in my bathroom cabinet. I don't think I would want it in the bathroom

42:27SPEAKERgenerally. I think, I think like something in the hallway, like in a common area out in the house is

42:31SPEAKERprobably the ideal place for a smart mirror. Yeah. But you need, you have to carve out wall

42:35SPEAKERbehind it in that case then. Or just have a very thick device hanging on the wall. Yeah.

42:41SPEAKERYeah. I don't know. Maybe the thing to do is like the other thing I keep looking at are those little

42:45SPEAKERprojectors, like the, the, the cheap solid state projectors have gotten like really inexpensive and

42:52SPEAKERreally good lately. And I feel like maybe that's the place for that kind of ambient stuff is you

42:57SPEAKERjust blast it on the like kitchen counter or something like it's a hotel room now.

43:02SPEAKERSome kind of, some kind of like permanent heads up display, like activity display sort of thing,

43:08SPEAKERlike you're talking about feels, it feels like the time has come in a world that feels increasingly

43:13SPEAKERcyber. Do you know what I mean? Like in a world where like a lot of the science fiction elements

43:19SPEAKERof nineties action movies feel like they are just sort of popping off left and right these days.

43:23SPEAKERWell, yeah. And like things like present sensors are really good now. Like you can,

43:28SPEAKERyou can tell where people are in the room. So you could, you could have it come up with the person

43:32SPEAKERwho's looking at its calendar based on the amount of water in their person and stuff. Anyway,

43:36SPEAKERI don't know. It's it's, I don't really want to dig into this. The thing I really want to talk

43:41SPEAKERabout is the Twitch 1440p streaming, which I got access to a couple of days ago. Yeah. So we,

43:47SPEAKERwe signed up for that on next Lander as well. I am curious to hear, have you used it yet?

43:52SPEAKERSo I realized after I signed up for it that I don't actually have a way to use it because the

43:57SPEAKERcapture card that grabs footage from my gaming PC is only good for 4k 30. It's a black magic. So it

44:05SPEAKERdoes, it does 10 AP 60 or 4k 30, and it doesn't do anything in between cause it's black magic and

44:11SPEAKERthey only do real resolutions, not bullshit gaming resolutions. Right. Also you're capturing even PC

44:15SPEAKERfootage. You're capturing over an actual video connection, right? I'm capturing over a literal,

44:21SPEAKERyeah. HDMI connection outputting from one machine to another. You can't, you can't do game capture

44:25SPEAKERat any resolution. I mean, I could, but my stuff is like, I set up for two PC rig years ago and I

44:32SPEAKERhaven't changed back to a single PC just cause it's nice to not have the overhead. You could send,

44:37SPEAKERyou could, you could do what I do and capture game capture and compress the video at a high

44:43SPEAKERquality on your gaming PC and send it over the network to latency. It does like, yeah,

44:49SPEAKERthis would be a temporary solution, but if you just want to like try it out without waiting for

44:53SPEAKERa new dongle or something. Well, so I have a, I have a capture card, my main PC that I use for

44:58SPEAKERconsole games that would work. Okay. That does it. It's an Avra media 4k ultra or whatever it

45:04SPEAKERdoes 1440 P one to 40 or something ridiculous. I don't, I don't know if I want to pull that card

45:14SPEAKERcause I do actually use the capture card to play like PlayStation and switch to games now. Sometimes

45:20SPEAKERthe, the, the thing I really want to do is I want to dig into external capture boxes.

45:29SPEAKERThey use USB three or four because then I could turn this streaming box from a big giant tower

45:36SPEAKERinto an ITX board, ITX machine. That's just like a fairly lightweight ITX machine

45:45SPEAKERand you know, an external capture card. Sure. And I don't know anybody who,

45:52SPEAKERlike my perception of the external capture cards is always that they're toys. That's always been

45:58SPEAKERmy feeling as well, but I have absolutely nothing to back that up. Like I know people who use them

46:02SPEAKERand seem to have perfectly good luck with them. Well, yeah. I mean, you get USB-C USB 3.2 or

46:09SPEAKERwhatever, and you're getting the same amount of bandwidth that I'm getting from my buy two slot

46:15SPEAKERon my, on my internal card. Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess there are,

46:18SPEAKERthere are the typical concerns with high-end USB stuff, you know, worrying about bus contention

46:23SPEAKERor whatever, you know, some, some USB controllers are less quality than others, depending on your

46:27SPEAKERmotherboard and what they put on there. Like USB, USB for, for like high, high, high-end,

46:33SPEAKERlike low latency, real time stuff like video and audio is not always super reliable, but.

46:39SPEAKERIt seems like they sell them though. So they probably work. I don't know.

46:42SPEAKERYeah. Maybe I'll give it, maybe I'll, maybe I'll buy one someplace I can return it and

46:45SPEAKERlet you know how it goes. Yeah. I mean, I've, you know, I've,

46:47SPEAKERI've been using a USB capture dongle for this camera for five years and that's worked just fine.

46:54SPEAKERI wonder if I can just get one of those. Probably.

46:57SPEAKERYeah. I wonder if it supports weird resolutions. I don't know.

46:59SPEAKERDo you know anything about the parameters of Twitch's 1440p streaming? I'm looking at their

47:04SPEAKERhelp page for this beta and I specifically, I want to know what the, what their ingest

47:10SPEAKERbandwidth limit is. If they've, I hope to God raised it above the six megabit

47:15SPEAKERcaps that is on current 10 AP streams and also what codex they're supporting. And I can't find that.

47:20SPEAKEROkay. So first off the they've upped the limit on the 10 AP streams to, you can do more now.

47:27SPEAKERReally? But only if you do the multi encode locally.

47:31SPEAKEROh, so is that, is that still only in that beta version of OBS?

47:36SPEAKERYeah, I think so. No, it's in main, mainline OBS now. Cause I do it.

47:40SPEAKERIt is, but you still have to use OBS, right? You have to use OBS. I think you can do it.

47:44SPEAKERI think you can do with other stuff now too. I'm going to have to look into that. I mean,

47:48SPEAKERI don't do a lot of streaming myself. Then he handles most of the streaming lately. Cause I

47:52SPEAKERhaven't been doing a lot of solo streaming, but I use FFmpeg to send Twitch. So I wonder if I've,

47:57SPEAKERI've been worried for a while that they're not going to make it easy to do stuff like

48:00SPEAKERthe multi encode with that. The multi, so the multi encode is really nice. Cause it gives,

48:04SPEAKERit gives basically all of the resolutions are streamed locally. So that means there's no,

48:11SPEAKERlike if you have people that watch on phones or TVs, they'll often lag even like three or

48:17SPEAKERfour seconds behind the rest of the stream. And because of the transcoding and that's,

48:22SPEAKERthat's if your channel even has transcoding available to begin with.

48:26SPEAKERYeah. And you have to be a partner to get access to guaranteed transcoding.

48:29SPEAKERYeah. Like I guess we should step back a little bit. What we're talking about here is having the

48:32SPEAKERstreamer do all the different encode qualities to send out to various clients rather than Twitch

48:37SPEAKERused to do all of that on their end. So like really this is just Twitch offloading the,

48:41SPEAKERthe horsepower and electricity to the end user that they use to cover themselves. But

48:47SPEAKERthat's still preferable, especially like, you know, modern graphics cards and CPUs with quicksync and

48:52SPEAKERstuff like that can do multiple encodes just fine at pretty low power if you're using hardware

48:56SPEAKERacceleration. So it's not a huge deal, but, but it is going to take some more doing on the software

49:01SPEAKERand to get the multi-code working for people. So it looks like it's 20 megabits and you have

49:06SPEAKERto do the multi-stream. Okay.

49:08SPEAKERSo that means it's OBS 31 or newer. Yeah. I see, I see on the on their help page here for this beta,

49:16SPEAKERit looks like you're doing minimum 14 megabit upload. So that's actually,

49:20SPEAKERthat's pretty damn generous. That's over double what the old cap was.

49:24SPEAKERBut I think 14 is only for the main 1440p stream and everything else comes downstream from that.

49:29SPEAKERThat does make sense. But I still don't see any mention of what codec is being used here.

49:33SPEAKERIt's H.264 still. What?

49:36SPEAKERI believe.

49:36SPEAKERWhat? That can't, what the fuck are we doing?

49:42SPEAKERI don't, cause it's, it's works on 22,000 series or newer, which I think is, is yeah.

49:51SPEAKERIs your, your, your your H.264. I don't think AV1 is on yet.

49:57SPEAKERYeah. I don't, I don't see anything. I do see mention of HEVC on this page,

50:01SPEAKERbut I'm not sure that they're actually letting you use it.

50:04SPEAKERI do not think that there, I mean, you have to use their presets. You can't set up the stream manually.

50:09SPEAKERI see. Okay.

50:10SPEAKERSo it's, I don't know if you can tell. So yeah, it's great.

50:14SPEAKERAll right.

50:16SPEAKERMaybe I'll do a stream and just not stream from the second PC and try it out and then decide

50:21SPEAKERif I want to spend 200 bucks on another capture card.

50:23SPEAKERYeah. Yeah. We, we are set up for that here. So I hope that we get into that beta sometime

50:28SPEAKERsoon so we can try it out. Like it feels about two years overdue now for Twitch to

50:33SPEAKERhave done some major upgrade to the available streaming quality.

50:36SPEAKERDoes that mean I'm gonna have to upgrade my, my feed out to Vinny?

50:40SPEAKERYeah, but that's just an internal configuration change in OBS.

50:43SPEAKERThat's true. I could send him 4k right now if you wanted.

50:46SPEAKERThat's right. Yeah.

50:47SPEAKERI might actually, I might actually send him 4k right now when I think about it.

50:51SPEAKEROh, yikes. That's well, let me see. Whoa.

50:55SPEAKERLet's, let's, let me look at my, my live OBS settings checking here.

50:59SPEAKERYou've disabled your virtual camera. I just see your OBS logo now.

51:02SPEAKERI know I had to go. I had to go look. It looks like I'm using the old version

51:07SPEAKERof NVENC too, to send to him. Oh, that's bad.

51:10SPEAKERIt looks like I am sending HEVC to you guys.

51:14SPEAKERThat's what I had you set up. In fact, that's the best he can ingest.

51:17SPEAKERAnd I'm only, yeah, I'm only doing 10 AP.

51:20SPEAKERVMX does not have support for AV1 or other codecs.

51:24SPEAKERSo, but HEVC is fine for that. But for people who don't know,

51:28SPEAKERwe send video over the network to Vinny who ingests it into VMX and anyway.

51:35SPEAKERIt's funny. It seems like, like the OBS handover has gotten to the point that like,

51:41SPEAKERit seems like it's the clear, like the VMX and the commercial products have a handful of things

51:46SPEAKERthat they still do really, really well. Yeah.

51:48SPEAKERBut for the most part, OBS seems like a, like the place to like,

51:52SPEAKERif you're learning a new thing now, OBS seems like the thing to learn.

51:55SPEAKERYeah. It's, it's both the widely available free option and also like probably the most

51:59SPEAKERwell-supported in terms of staying up to date with the new features and codecs.

52:03SPEAKERThe one thing VMX has that I really, I mean, it does a lot of stuff that it's more of like a

52:08SPEAKERcommercial switching software. You know, it looks more like an actual, like TV switch.

52:12SPEAKERYou can hook a control surface up to it. Right.

52:14SPEAKERYeah. Compared to OBS. But the one thing that it has that I really wish OBS had,

52:20SPEAKERor at least that I had a better option for was dealing with like a multi-caller situation,

52:24SPEAKERkind of like your, your typical remote podcast situation, you know, remote, you know,

52:29SPEAKERthree to four talking heads, all sending audio separately. Like I know there are some external

52:34SPEAKERlike web-based tools. There's like, there's what used to be called OBS Ninja. I forget what they

52:38SPEAKERhave rebranded to, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It's OBS samurai now, I think.

52:43SPEAKEROh, it's, it's vdo.ninja now. That's okay.

52:46SPEAKERIf you go to vdo.ninja, that's I know, I know some people use that like that,

52:50SPEAKERthat is a way to get people into a video call and then add what I'm talking about is getting people

52:54SPEAKERin a video call, having their video and audio, all callers, video and audio come into OBS as

53:01SPEAKERseparate sort of feeds that you can then, you know, mute or tweak the audio on individually,

53:07SPEAKERlike move their cameras around individually. Like you can, you can fudge this really

53:11SPEAKERawkwardly with browser capture, which is what I have done in the past. You can just get everybody

53:15SPEAKERinto one video call and then chop it up with browser capture to at least get separate camera

53:19SPEAKERfeeds, but you're still stuck taking the one audio feed from the call. I mean, most video call,

53:27SPEAKERweb-based video call software does a good job of mixing and normalizing people's audio together

53:31SPEAKERanyway. So like, it's not usually a huge deal, but that is a place where vMix absolutely excels

53:38SPEAKERover OBS. So let me tell you something that Zoom added recently, which is a live streaming plugin

53:46SPEAKERthat lets you export a, you can, well, you can connect it to Twitch or YouTube,

53:51SPEAKERbut you can also just give it an RTMP server feed and it pipes up to three feeds out of that,

53:58SPEAKERI believe. Interesting. So then you can get, I haven't gotten it to work yet cause I haven't

54:03SPEAKERgotten the FFmpeg repeater working right yet, but you basically can pipe a live three,

54:10SPEAKERup to three individual feeds out of a Zoom call into, into your, your OBS.

54:17SPEAKERThat sounds appealing other than making people use Zoom for a live stream.

54:22SPEAKERI mean, people are very comfortable with Zoom.

54:25SPEAKERI guess so. I guess it's pretty widespread, but you do have to install it if you want the good

54:28SPEAKERone and not the web-based one. Like it requires overhead. If you have a guest on and they don't

54:32SPEAKERhave it installed, it's a whole thing. I, the number of times I've talked to somebody cause

54:36SPEAKERwe use Zoom for full nerd. The number of times we've had somebody that didn't have Zoom installed

54:43SPEAKERwas one. Yeah. Okay. Fair. It was when you were on the show. What I have, what are you talking

54:47SPEAKERabout? I have Zoom installed. You didn't have Zoom installed when we did one time. Looking at it in

54:51SPEAKERmy start menu. We have a, we have a pin. There's a pin. I see. Yeah. You think that's it or should

54:56SPEAKERwe talk about time servers real quick? I put the time server in here kind of as a joke,

55:01SPEAKERalthough I'm moving close. It's becoming less of a joke. I'm moving closer to it becoming real,

55:06SPEAKERbut it's probably like years down the line. I look, man, when you said this, I was like,

55:10SPEAKERwhy don't I just have an atomic clock? And then I looked up how to build an

55:13SPEAKERatomic clock and it turns out that's a doable project. Wait, really? Yeah, dude. There's,

55:17SPEAKERthere's board mountable atomic clock elements. Now it's not like it used to be that you had

55:22SPEAKERto have a crystal oscillator that you heated up to a specific temperature and held at that

55:25SPEAKERtemperature. And they, they pulled like 16 or 20 Watts or something. But now for space applications,

55:32SPEAKERthey have little tiny ones that are like mountable on a, on a, on a board. They're kind of expensive,

55:38SPEAKERbut like not for a one-off it wouldn't, it's, it's not undoable. It turns out the challenge

55:45SPEAKERis how do you set the time on the atomic clock in the first place? And then you also want to

55:50SPEAKERmaintain power in events of outages and stuff. So you don't have to go through that hassle because

55:54SPEAKERit turns out that setting the time on the atomic clock is kind of to an accurate point is kind of

55:59SPEAKERchallenging. Okay. So see, I don't want to be responsible for local time accuracy. That's I

56:03SPEAKERstill want to go to an external authoritative source of truth. I'm just saying, if you're

56:08SPEAKERgoing to do this, just build the atomic clock, man. Sure. Why not? Yeah. The other, the other

56:14SPEAKERsolution here is to hit GPS because GPS satellites keep exquisitely accurate time. They have to.

56:20SPEAKERYeah. And so probably not going to get, going to get too far down this road, but this has come up

56:25SPEAKERseveral times on the discord. And every time people talk about it, I get a little more serious

56:29SPEAKERabout wanting to do it at some point. I mean, look, your university had an NTP server. Why

56:35SPEAKERshouldn't you? Why should I not have my own NTP? NTP is network time protocol. It's the thing that

56:39SPEAKERyour device is all used to hit servers on the internet to synchronize time. But there is some

56:45SPEAKERlatency involved in contacting a server halfway across the country and getting a response back.

56:50SPEAKERThat's built into the protocol though. They, it accounts for it. What if you had a box in your

56:54SPEAKERhouse that everything in your house was talking to, to find out what time it was? Time.shoe.maker.

57:00SPEAKERThat's right. Like what if you could just have microseconds of latency on your timekeeping?

57:08SPEAKERCan you set, does windows let you put an arbitrary time server in? Windows does,

57:14SPEAKERalthough actually I wonder if you might have to like edit the registry to enable that at this

57:17SPEAKERpoint. Yeah. Cause there's no, there's no pop-up for that on my windows. It just says sync now.

57:23SPEAKERAnd I know in the past you could set your own NTP server in windows. I thought you still could,

57:27SPEAKERand I'm pretty sure macOS still lets you do it as well. But yes, this topic, I asked this question

57:30SPEAKERin the network channel when people were talking about buying boxes or building boxes to do this.

57:35SPEAKEREric on the discord had, I mean, this is some network professional level solution

57:40SPEAKERshit. The solution offered was to intercept all the NTP traffic at the router level and redirect

57:49SPEAKERit to your local NTP server, which then means it's almost like, it's almost like Pywolf, but for time

57:54SPEAKERwhere like every device, every device that is sending, I think it's port 123 that NTP communicates

58:00SPEAKERon. I don't, I don't know. Basically like you're basically catching all the traffic on whatever

58:06SPEAKERport NTP uses and sending it to your server so that all your, all your devices are getting

58:11SPEAKERdiverted to your local NTP server. I don't know how viable that is. This is a real hole,

58:16SPEAKEReven for you. This is, yeah, I'm not like, again, that's why this is years away. This is a house

58:21SPEAKERproject. I don't know why, cause you could do it in apartment, I guess, but this is the kind of

58:25SPEAKERthing, this is the kind of thing I would only do once I had a house and a network rack. I really

58:29SPEAKERthink, I really think if you're going to go this far, you have to do the atomic clock. That's the

58:33SPEAKERonly way to make this right. I wonder how susceptible to entropy that is. Like, I wonder

58:36SPEAKERhow much that can get fouled up if you don't keep it in the right conditions or keep it maintained.

58:41SPEAKERAgain, I would rather, I would kind of rather talk to things orbiting the earth because those are

58:45SPEAKERpretty far beyond the reach of getting screwed up. They're just, they're just atomic clocks too,

58:50SPEAKERman. It's just floating atomic clocks with a radio on it. Yeah, but it's like nice and cold and.

58:55SPEAKEROh, well sometimes it's really hot. It's either cold or hot. There's no in between.

59:00SPEAKERYeah. Anyway, there, there are different ways to do this. I won't get too deep into it right now.

59:03SPEAKERLike you can, you can DIY this with a raspberry pie and like a GPS sensor. I think we've talked

59:07SPEAKERabout that in the past. There's a company called Time Machines that makes like what appear to be

59:11SPEAKERlike pretty rugged industrial versions of this. And I want a time machine. The, the one everybody

59:18SPEAKERlikes on the discord, people are mostly Ebaying because new, they are $349. That's pretty expensive,

59:23SPEAKERbut you can get them for like under 200 on eBay, it seems. Those also, those also just have an

59:29SPEAKERantenna that connects to a GPS or looks for GPS signal. Anyway, I'm probably not actually going to

59:35SPEAKERdo this anytime soon, but. Look, if I'm re if I'm ranking these, if I'm S tiering these, I think the

59:43SPEAKERKindle jailbreak is an S tier. Oh yeah. The travel T's a solid B travel routers, a solid B external

59:50SPEAKERcapture slash Twitch 1440p streaming, maybe a B tier, maybe an a, I don't know the DIY hummingbird

59:59SPEAKERcamera, probably a C maybe an S if I can get it to work and I get hummingbird war videos.

1:00:06SPEAKERWe didn't even talk about my foot pedal. I got a foot pedal.

1:00:10SPEAKERI don't, I, I, I use it to capture benchmarks. What kind of foot pedal are we talking?

1:00:14SPEAKERIt's one of those elgato stream deck foot pedals. Basically I smash a button and it

1:00:18SPEAKERhits all the keyboard shortcuts that I need to capture video and frame time,

1:00:23SPEAKERperf mon charts at the same time. How many, how many pedals are on your pedal?

1:00:26SPEAKERThere's three, but there's options. Like I have, they, it comes with a bazillion little spring

1:00:31SPEAKERpacks that you can use to make the pedals springier or less springy. Okay. Or just turn

1:00:36SPEAKERthem off entirely. There's one that just blocks it. If you just want to use it as a foot rest.

1:00:39SPEAKERSeeing as this is a $90 foot pedal, I guess I'm glad to see it's customizable.

1:00:43SPEAKERYeah. It's it's it. I was worried it was going to like slide around on my hardwood. It doesn't,

1:00:47SPEAKERit's pretty good. But yeah, the, I haven't bound to push to mute when I'm not using it for

1:00:52SPEAKERbenchmarks. Like, like mute, like when I stomp down on it, it, it mutes as long as I, my foot

1:00:58SPEAKERis on the pedal. Oh, interesting. It's basically a cough button. That's cool. Yeah. But I'm curious

1:01:03SPEAKERwhat other people like, I don't, I don't know what else I should use a foot pedal for. Well,

1:01:08SPEAKERanybody else has any ideas? Let me know. Yeah. Yeah. That's an F maybe a D. Wait,

1:01:15SPEAKERwhat is the pedal? The pedal. Wow. No foot pedal respect here at all. I mean, it's is really nice.

1:01:22SPEAKERSo specifically when I'm doing those micro stutter videos for PC world, it's really nice to just be

1:01:27SPEAKERable to keep my foot on the thing and hit the button when I'm coming up on a fight that looks

1:01:30SPEAKERlike it's going to be a good time for micro stutter so I can get a good clean capture.

1:01:35SPEAKERAnd it's hard to do that without like breaking the action in the game by when you, by taking

1:01:40SPEAKERyour hand off and hitting the other, the other shortcuts. But yeah, it's, it's other than that,

1:01:47SPEAKERI probably wouldn't have bought a foot pedal. Sure. Understandable that you have not ranked

1:01:51SPEAKERthe time server yet. I think the time server is a solid F Brad. I'm sorry. If you put an atomic

1:01:56SPEAKERclock in there, it moves up to a B. Fine. At some point it's going to climb up the ranking. Okay.

1:02:00SPEAKERActually, how about this? Yeah. What if I could, what if I told you that not only could you get

1:02:04SPEAKERone of those industrial looking time machines boxes to do this, but that they also sell a

1:02:10SPEAKERseparate and there's a rackable kit for these. So you can put both of these in a rack. Do you have

1:02:14SPEAKERa rack? Not yet. That's why this is a post rack project probably some years down the line. What

1:02:21SPEAKERif you could also get a red VFD display, you know, VFD like the old school VCR style of how many

1:02:30SPEAKERpoints of accuracy can you get kind of seven segment numerical display. Yeah. What if you,

1:02:35SPEAKERwhat if you could get a local clock that plugged into this, that always was showing you the

1:02:38SPEAKERmonocle, how many points, how many decimal seconds can you get that? I don't remember. Like six,

1:02:45SPEAKERcan you get six decibels? I don't think it's that big of a display, but just a severe red looking

1:02:50SPEAKERlike nuclear facility. I don't know, man. These time machines boxes. And I also, I don't know why

1:02:58SPEAKERthey have a CHI highlighted in their logo, but I guess that means something. I, I feel like these

1:03:04SPEAKERtime machines boxes looks like the thing you used to buy from the back of popular mechanics that

1:03:07SPEAKERwere like sell like, like radar speed trap jammers that you put in your dashboard. If you scroll down

1:03:15SPEAKERon that product page, I sent you that clock I had mentioned is right there. Oh, perfect. That thing

1:03:20SPEAKERis $190. Good God, man. That's that's what, you know, look, I mean, I think it's gotta be worth

1:03:26SPEAKERit. Like you said, this looks like this is sold out of popular mechanics. This is for people who

1:03:30SPEAKERhave an actual need for accurate timekeeping on their, on their network, which I do not,

1:03:36SPEAKERbut it sure would be cool. Well, I mean, everybody has time has need for accurate

1:03:40SPEAKERtime on the network, but it's all served by time.windows or time.apple. Yep. Anyway,

1:03:45SPEAKERI think that's as good a place as any to wrap it up. It's a, it's like a project potpourri,

1:03:49SPEAKERI guess. I don't know. A little more structured than your average patron. Here's what we're

1:03:53SPEAKERworking on episode. I'm thinking about the hummingbird camera more. I didn't tell you,

1:03:57SPEAKERI didn't tell about this, but the one thing that I did know, notice that I thought was interesting

1:04:00SPEAKERis a lot of people do like hummingbird nest cameras and they put it in like birdhouses.

1:04:08SPEAKERAnd the thing that they're doing for those now is they buy those cheap endoscopes,

1:04:12SPEAKERthe ones that you use to like check inside your walls and stuff like that. And you just mount the

1:04:17SPEAKERcamera for that at the top of the birdhouse facing down and you get like an incredible

1:04:22SPEAKERview of the thing. And that is a, is a good solution for that problem. Cause those are

1:04:27SPEAKERwifi connected and you can pull the video off pretty easily, but the cameras are all kind of

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