253: My Three DACs

00:00SPEAKEROkay, we have this Google doc I started some notes for your for this for this banner appearance of yours on the show

00:05SPEAKERAnd one of the things I wrote in here is what if we talk through every computer you have?

00:11SPEAKERAnd you kind of went off. I I thought you meant like oh, we should list down the specs of the computers and then

00:19SPEAKERThat kind of made me depressed. I started being like, oh right. Yeah. No, there's no there's this machine

00:25SPEAKERI'll write the kids gaming machine. That's another one

00:29SPEAKERSo then I don't know how many are on here at this point seven eight seven eight one two three four five power bill, man

00:36SPEAKERComputers on here. Yeah that one in the closet that you forgot was there

00:40SPEAKERIt's only pinged in on the network and it had an uptime of like four years

00:43SPEAKERI just had to just start going down and being like why which is great because I'm actually gonna copy and paste this at some

00:49SPEAKERPoint and be like, all right. Well, what actually what do I have here? And I did not count

00:53SPEAKERthe bin the top of the like

00:56SPEAKERThe storage bin full of pieces that could make a computer because you know, of course, you know

01:00SPEAKERThat's you know potential computers don't count. I think it has to run

01:04SPEAKERI think it has to be running to count them to make it on this list

01:07SPEAKERYeah, well, you know, it's like, you know, what is a computer these days is is you started putting raspberry pies on here?

01:14SPEAKERAnd I was like, okay, look is the mister a computer really?

01:17SPEAKERYes

01:19SPEAKEROkay

01:21SPEAKERLaptops you didn't put your laptop on here. Did you not know? Yeah, so that's definitely

01:26SPEAKERComputer. So yeah, I don't know. It's just too many computers

01:30SPEAKERThis is why the dream Brad the dream is the giant rack and all of these computers are just rack mounted

01:37SPEAKERThat's right somewhere mostly virtual mostly virtual

01:40SPEAKERSo I hope when we start this show, I hope your audience is very understanding that I am an amateur computer

01:46SPEAKERcomputer collector

01:48SPEAKERand I just I do it because

01:50SPEAKERbecause a

01:53SPEAKERPower we've reached the point where power is infinite. It doesn't matter

01:56SPEAKERyeah, we just tap into the goodwill of humans and that powers everything and be

02:01SPEAKERI'm oh, I'm a collector. I'm a hoarder like we got this freaking computer. This could do something

02:06SPEAKERYou're dirty. You're not a collector. You're a professional. I'm all these things for serving a role. I'm a professional collector Wow

02:13SPEAKERYeah, hopefully when we start talking about him recording

02:17SPEAKERThere's mercy is taken on the amateur status my amateur my amateur status collection

02:22SPEAKERThis is like I said here and look at this list and I just think to myself is this what home ownership is as many?

02:27SPEAKERComputers as you want. This is what a big power bill is

02:30SPEAKERThis is when you're like we should turn the air conditioning off. Nope, that didn't do it

02:35SPEAKERMaybe it's the stupid disc shelf you bought for your nuts. That's like a 24 disc

02:42SPEAKERor 24 Bay

02:44SPEAKERpower suck

02:46SPEAKERI think we talked about this somewhere else on the ramble cast. It's the arc of doing a home lab thing, right?

02:51SPEAKERIt's like you can do it

02:54SPEAKERShould you do it and then okay, how do I do this with lower my power bill?

02:59SPEAKERHow do I how do I turn all of my super micro cases into raspberry pies? Maybe we should ask Jeff Goldblum

03:06SPEAKERYeah

03:07SPEAKERDidn't what you didn't you could have done anything. What'd you do home lab finds a way?

03:21SPEAKERYou

03:40SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will made a tech pod. I'm Brad and

03:44SPEAKERI'm Vinny

03:46SPEAKERYou sure off. I'm oh, yeah. Hi

03:49SPEAKERand we're

03:51SPEAKERI'm will

03:54SPEAKERHow do you do a will impression that was a grill was a gruff will

03:57SPEAKEREarly will I'm will okay. Wait. Did you see Batman? Is he secretly?

04:02SPEAKERIs he Batman? I'm willing let me tell you about

04:06SPEAKERWindows

04:07SPEAKER95 I'm looking at your list of computers here. I feel like you're the one in the back

04:12SPEAKERYeah

04:13SPEAKER1989 back a of like the the you you welded a bunch of pipe together and mounted all your computers on these different pipes

04:19SPEAKERAnd now you're solving crimes with them. It's like if it's like if Batman weren't a billion

04:26SPEAKERIt's to say

04:28SPEAKERBruce Wayne were a dude living in

04:32SPEAKERLittle plot Jersey and the Batcave were a basement that has sewage in it

04:38SPEAKERIt's very much like that same amount of bats and bugs in there. We share that in common

04:42SPEAKERYeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of sewage in the actual back. Oh, yeah

04:47SPEAKERI mean, there's definitely guano. Who do you think's mopping up all that stuff? I think could almost assuredly

04:52SPEAKERIt's it's not Bruce Wayne. It's

04:54SPEAKERYeah, that's what's poor poor Alfred. You know, they don't talk about

04:58SPEAKERAlfred pulling a bat poop out of like fans and stuff. It can't be good for your health. No, probably not

05:05SPEAKERYou know, you know what is good for your health though is talking tech

05:08SPEAKERyeah, and we have a lot of this on the on the ramble cast and I feel like when you asked me to just like

05:16SPEAKEROkay, put some things down you want to talk about. I think we've got about two pages here

05:21SPEAKERTwo and a half. Yeah, I I think I had like five lines of notes here and I woke up this morning

05:26SPEAKERIt's still like two and a half pages. Look look there's plenty of stuff that we could talk about

05:31SPEAKERThat I have been over the last I don't know a couple of years here

05:35SPEAKERDabbling into and feel always feel guilty going into too much detail in the ramble cast. So I'm ready to to pop

05:43SPEAKERBursting with all this pent-up tech discussion. I'll some some housekeeping real quick. I'll say will Will's availability was limited this week

05:50SPEAKERSo so he's taking a pause while while you're here to fill the seat

05:53SPEAKERYes, for people who don't know I'm guessing most people know but you and I have a day job

05:59SPEAKEROver at next Lander the day job. Yep. Yes, which is you know kind of a it's in the giant bomb vein people who know us

06:07SPEAKERFor years going back to giant bomb very video game focused

06:10SPEAKERBut we do have the one podcast the ramble cast where we ramble about anything

06:15SPEAKERYeah, we're we're allowed to kind of deviate from the games mandates

06:22SPEAKERWe have deemed it, okay, but

06:25SPEAKERYou know

06:25SPEAKERSometimes it just goes into like what you do this weekend and I feel like you and I often are like I did this super

06:32SPEAKERSuper in the weeds tech thing that this is what I did and I'm gonna talk about it

06:37SPEAKERAnd Alex gets to just smile and nod Alex minutes. Should I build a mess every time?

06:46SPEAKERYou're probably good

06:49SPEAKERDon't open that can of worms. I don't know

06:52SPEAKERWhatever everyone everyone could benefit from a little network attached to storage

06:55SPEAKERBut but yes, I I think we have maybe been redlining the the deep tech talk on the ramble cast a little bit lately

07:02SPEAKERSo let's consider this an overflow discussion. Yeah, look, I'm ready to overflow

07:07SPEAKERActually, this is perfect timing because I've actually just been in in the weeds doing some stuff

07:11SPEAKERand I think I'd like to ask your audience to have patience with me as I am a

07:17SPEAKERthere's very little here that I actually know I mostly explore this stuff and

07:22SPEAKERI'm not sure how people with like hobbyist home labs are viewed in the actual tech world from people who

07:30SPEAKERDo it for a living if they're like god these freaking

07:34SPEAKERYou know, it's like it's like professional drivers looking at people with like like I just bought this car

07:40SPEAKERAnd I'm just trying to make it soup it up on my own in my garage being like I've got a 12-line signature on this

07:46SPEAKERforum with every speck in my

07:49SPEAKER48 hard drives and this like

07:52SPEAKER$8,000 eon look as long as we don't approach the true NAS forums. I think we'll be fine

07:57SPEAKERon that front I

07:59SPEAKEROnly I judge the people who have been in it the longest by the people who as every response is linking to an older post

08:06SPEAKERDid you read this one?

08:08SPEAKERI've got this problem where I can't get the look it's answered here. Yes, or or the immediate responses

08:14SPEAKERYou have to post your logs

08:16SPEAKERTo post your logs, which is okay. Look I got it. I got it. Nope. You need to see what's going on in there

08:22SPEAKERYeah, yeah, you want to know you want to know you didn't provide enough information

08:27SPEAKERThat's fair. Yeah. All right. Well, let's provide as much information as humanly possible. Okay bullet point number one tech stack

08:35SPEAKERI got full stack here

08:38SPEAKERYeah, I thought I mean

08:40SPEAKERAs we said in the cold open you run a lot of computers and most of them are doing stuff for our business at some

08:46SPEAKERIn some way or another so I thought honestly I was just like what if we just do like a full accounting of everything

08:50SPEAKERYeah, so I try to I guess let's just start with my desktop, which is my gaming PC

08:56SPEAKERWhich is I guess the kind of Swiss Army knife PC that that's what I'm on right now, or it was one of the computers

09:02SPEAKERI'm on right now

09:03SPEAKERTalking to you and that's the rise in seven fifty eight hundred X 3d

09:10SPEAKERThe fine vintage a fine vintage so only recently had I moved into the AMD world and specifically the rise in world

09:17SPEAKERthis was kind of a

09:19SPEAKERWhen I built a different PC, I'll talk about in a second the vMix PC

09:23SPEAKERWe were talking about I had always stayed in Intel. I'm an old man. I came up during the Intel AMD wars

09:31SPEAKERAnd kind of the AMD and video wars as well, and I always went with Intel and they always went with Nvidia. I

09:40SPEAKERunderstand

09:42SPEAKERRadion and AMD and all those products are completely fine and I don't know catalyst drivers again, whatever whatever you need

09:50SPEAKERWhat was it? I can't remember what it was was it was a doom ran better on

09:56SPEAKERWas it quick three that they got caught there was a minor scandal

09:59SPEAKERThey got caught like tuning performance based on what the name of the executable was you were running

10:03SPEAKEROkay, I'm seeing performance and some I think I see if I remember that correctly

10:07SPEAKERI might've been quick three, but yes, they're driver benchmark shenanigans have been a thing

10:11SPEAKERYeah, and again a long time now, but I I've always been there's a couple of things one

10:16SPEAKERI was always fascinated by the thread Ripper, and it was before before we left giant bomb actually

10:23SPEAKERIt's before we got purchased because it was on a capex thing. I was going to build a

10:29SPEAKERgiant thread Ripper

10:31SPEAKERVM box at Proxmox and I had specked it all out

10:34SPEAKERI was super excited about that to expense that with my quarterly budget yep, and that never happened so anyway

10:40SPEAKERthat's a long way to say I have kind of embraced and

10:45SPEAKERAgain you could you your audience could let me know I have embraced the rising lifestyle and and actually have a rise in running in

10:52SPEAKERAt least two machines now, okay, and so the rise in 758 hundreds in this machine

10:59SPEAKERIt's got got 64 gigs of RAM it had 32

11:02SPEAKERBut I just had the extra RAM sitting there when I didn't upgrade somewhere else and so I popped it in

11:09SPEAKERDo I use it all not nearly maybe once in a while if I ever fool around with like

11:15SPEAKERany kind of a

11:17SPEAKERAI thing or something locally if I ever want to do that it'll blow it up the RAM or anything like that

11:22SPEAKERBut like that's very rare

11:24SPEAKERAnd I haven't done that in a while, so it sits there

11:27SPEAKERIf this has the 4080 in it the Nvidia 4080

11:31SPEAKERAnd then it's just got a whole mess of drives like I just run a bunch of hard drives

11:36SPEAKERThat's a lot of drives a 500 gigabyte NVMe. That's the system drive. Yep to 2x 2 terabyte NVMe for games

11:43SPEAKERthat's a game, so I split my games up into steam has basically one whole drive and

11:48SPEAKERflight sim almost almost has another one flight sim and epic and

11:54SPEAKERAll basically all the other game services are split up on EA. You know anything that installs

12:00SPEAKERMicrosoft

12:01SPEAKERanything that installs outside of

12:04SPEAKERThe steam directory kind of lives on that other drive at that point

12:07SPEAKERI think I think I saw I guess you can actually legally talk about this now

12:11SPEAKERI think I saw a flight sim 2024. They've gotten the install size way down is that correct?

12:15SPEAKERYeah, they're gonna stream content in into a cache

12:18SPEAKEROkay into a rolling cache and so flight sim

12:22SPEAKERThe way it works now is it's a monster, and it just constantly is updating everything

12:27SPEAKEREvery time you launch it and there's so much add-on stuff, and so they are doing the core install and then basically

12:33SPEAKERstreaming content into a rolling cache I

12:36SPEAKERAsked them if you can opt in to do like a total local install

12:40SPEAKERThey kind of looked at me a little funny

12:42SPEAKERSo I'll have to go back to check my notes and see exactly what they said too much data

12:47SPEAKERIt's a it's a lot dude. It's a lot of data, and then that's just the stuff

12:50SPEAKERI mean flight sim is streaming in constantly and what I'm talking about right now is just the kind of

12:57SPEAKERFiles you need locally to run, but the actual map data and all that stuff is also streaming in currently yeah petabytes

13:03SPEAKERI think of data cheese

13:06SPEAKERSo I look at this list of drives here, and it reminds me. This is how I did drives on my desktop until this newest build

13:11SPEAKERAnd I was like you know what I need this time to shed

13:15SPEAKERSystem games scratch disk work internal backups and slop

13:21SPEAKERThe 8 terabyte slop drive you don't have a slop drives, or you just like I use I absolutely well

13:27SPEAKERArguably the in my entire mass is now the slot

13:30SPEAKERSo the slop drive is everything drives. Sorry all the slop drives rolled up into a meta slop

13:38SPEAKERSlop drives is where my download folder points to it's where

13:42SPEAKERIt's where they're like hey. I just need to put this giant thing somewhere for a second. It's where like my Dropbox lives. It's

13:49SPEAKERIt's where everything. It's where like oh, this is my intermediary thing where I'm like managing my music library

13:56SPEAKEROr managing my ROMs or they all go on the slop drive, so I've got folders that are just like delete me

14:02SPEAKERDelete me delete me test and delete me. Yeah desktop new desktop. Yeah back up one. Yeah, that's all on the slop drive

14:10SPEAKERAnd that thing you know at some point. I swapped it out for I had a 4 terabyte Barracuda

14:15SPEAKERI swapped it out for an 8 terabyte Barracuda because

14:19SPEAKERMuch slop slop and files got big big. Yeah, yeah, and then the internal backups

14:26SPEAKERI do my I just I really just back up my system drive. I do regular backups with that

14:33SPEAKERAnd then I have I keep one old

14:36SPEAKERUsually keep one old Windows install

14:40SPEAKERUse your folder

14:41SPEAKERI'll just when I when I'm ready to and I'm this is gonna happen soon because I'm saw on Windows 10 when I'm ready to

14:46SPEAKEREither do a reformat or do a system thing I basically

14:51SPEAKERTry to pull everything out of my user folder that I can and I keep that until I feel very secure

14:57SPEAKERWhich is never I never feel that there's always some game save or some weird

15:03SPEAKERConfig file that I need to go digging into that thing for yep, ever everybody should do it

15:07SPEAKERI do that to an external SSD

15:09SPEAKERBut same thing it's like that thing sits in a drawer until the next time I reinstall and it gets wiped and back up again

15:15SPEAKERCuz yeah, you never know you never know never know what you're gonna have to go into your old app data for yeah

15:19SPEAKERAnd so I use for that stuff. I think I want to use

15:25SPEAKERAcronis, I think I use Acronis to back stuff up

15:28SPEAKERAnd then I've got two drives for work backup to passport drives that at one. I just are sync my work

15:36SPEAKERcertain things from my art my work drive to and I just use our sync because it was the most

15:43SPEAKERIt was the thing I knew and it was a way to just do it granularly where I'm just like look

15:47SPEAKERI don't need this folder, but I do need this folder and I do need this and I do need this

15:51SPEAKERI need all the permissions and I wanted to do it in a way that is additive and not

15:57SPEAKERNot replacing stuff or just add everything that's new and then I back up that drive to

16:04SPEAKERAnother I'd make an image of that drive using Acronis. So

16:09SPEAKEROne is I am a firm believer in the one is none a mentality. So yes

16:15SPEAKERYes, a couple things couple notes before we move on here real quick about the AMD versus Intel thing

16:20SPEAKERI'd friend of the show Gordon Hmong. Mm-hmm as it has got the old saying nobody ever got fired for buying Intel

16:27SPEAKERSo I know what you mean yeah the on the on the cloud until recently maybe yeah, maybe until recently, right?

16:33SPEAKERYeah, I went back and forth because I had kind of

16:37SPEAKERStrongly, I was like, oh you guys should look at these risings like the value like the number of the core of the cores per dollar

16:42SPEAKERIt's very good these days. You can get a lot of cores and these things

16:45SPEAKERand then I got an AMD machine as well last year and the people know how that went and I

16:50SPEAKERRan screaming back to Intel and I was like man

16:53SPEAKERDid I give them bad advice and then this thing happened with these recent Intel champs?

16:58SPEAKERAnd now I now I feel better that you guys are on AMD again. Yeah, like look

17:02SPEAKERI don't follow this stuff as closely as you or your audience, but

17:06SPEAKERAMD I

17:08SPEAKERDid a decent amount of looking into stuff on the vMix side at least because that was very important to me that vMix runs

17:14SPEAKERWell on an AMD system and plenty of people said it I was so Brad you probably remember this

17:20SPEAKERWhen I built the vMix machine, which I guess I could just move into now

17:24SPEAKERThe vMix machine is on a rise in nine fifty nine fifty

17:29SPEAKERWhen we built it, I want a generation back

17:31SPEAKERI didn't do the the newest generation of AMD stuff because when we were building it, they were just coming out right the the news

17:39SPEAKERJust coming out. Yeah, the seven thousand. It's in force. Yeah, and so I was like look I just want stable

17:46SPEAKERThat's really what I want for vMix. I don't want the newest hottest

17:49SPEAKERI want it to be stable and it's been knock on wood pretty stable

17:53SPEAKERThat five thousand does in three generation of risings

17:56SPEAKERThey are still putting out new skews in that generation like okay in the last few months another like a

18:01SPEAKER50 you'll see there's like a 5600 X 3d now, I think like that like that thing was so solid and popular and cost-effective

18:08SPEAKERThey are still iterating on it. So I think that was a good choice for a production machine for sure

18:12SPEAKERyeah, and I think that that's the vMix machine and that machine has a

18:17SPEAKER2070 in it and really what it just needs is to have the right

18:23SPEAKERPackages for the video

18:28SPEAKERCodex and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm trying to think exactly what it is

18:32SPEAKERBut you have to go on the Microsoft Store and get like the h.265 license so you can use that codec and whatever

18:37SPEAKERyeah, but you know on the they do remember this day on the

18:42SPEAKERConsumer side they had locked in how many encodes you could do

18:46SPEAKERLocked it up. I think they've actually in subsequent drivers unlock that yes

18:51SPEAKERBut it used to be locked up. And so basically I just need to have that encoding decoding

18:59SPEAKERCapability that came in I think in the

19:02SPEAKER2000 series read the instruction packages there for I think I don't want to talk out of turn here

19:07SPEAKERBut I think that's when I came in maybe some 1000. Yeah, I think I think the like the 1080 series had yeah

19:13SPEAKERYeah, yeah, it had the basic NV ink, but it got way better

19:16SPEAKERIt was it was the 2000 series where it actually got worth using basically

19:19SPEAKERIt was pretty bad before that

19:21SPEAKERReal quick like vMix for people who don't know is kind of a professional video switching software

19:26SPEAKERI guess you would say it's called prosumer

19:28SPEAKERYeah, really interesting. Okay, that's that's interesting to hear her. Yeah, well cuz it's not it's it's a software

19:34SPEAKERSwitching suite and it's basically can run on your own hardware, right? You don't you don't need turnkey solution. You don't need bespoke hardware

19:43SPEAKERIt runs on you put it together you put the machine together and it's it's relatively inexpensive. It's like it's not expensive

19:50SPEAKERI would say in the production as far as things go in the production world. It is it is dirt cheap

19:56SPEAKERYeah, and replaces for a long time like giant bomb fans replaces like the functionality of a try caster

20:01SPEAKERFor example without without the $30,000 box. Yeah, so that's that's an example of I would call that a

20:08SPEAKERproduction or professional

20:10SPEAKEREven that even that though

20:13SPEAKEREven that though is if I think if you some if you probably laughed out of like a newsroom if you were like

20:19SPEAKEROh, we're tracking but maybe that's different. Maybe that's early try caster. Look. We've been doing this for a long time early try caster

20:25SPEAKERYou went to their forums and you were like, okay

20:27SPEAKERLook, I'm having trouble and it was a lot of church groups

20:30SPEAKERIt was a lot of small venues that were using this stuff to be like, you know

20:35SPEAKERThese are the people who are using it. It wasn't it was at the time was not broadcast ready. Yeah

20:42SPEAKERReally funny to hear you mention that I've run into that on forums a bunch too

20:45SPEAKERI always think of like the noble church group at the test the test bed of affordable AV equipment really really is like

20:52SPEAKERYou know and like audio equipment to like, you know for microphone stuff

20:57SPEAKERso but that's probably changed as things went 4k and studios had to

21:03SPEAKERbroadcast centers and places and

21:05SPEAKERThe growth of smaller studios had to ditch their old a 1080i equipment, right?

21:11SPEAKERAnd and I know some places still use a lot of that really expensive like hundred eighty thousand dollar equipment

21:17SPEAKERbut the control room at

21:20SPEAKERgame spot was

21:22SPEAKEROne of those like really hard. Oh, yeah, that stuff was

21:26SPEAKERRidiculously expensive sixty thousand dollar control panels and and the like it was very very expensive

21:31SPEAKERWe had an actual kyron machine in there to do overlays like that. Yeah, that's like it was it was serious

21:38SPEAKERI mean that that production at its peak for on the spot probably needed five people to run

21:45SPEAKERand now with a with a v-max or with a

21:49SPEAKERLike a similar thing you could do it

21:51SPEAKERYou could do it with one person and it is often done with one person whether that's a good thing or bad thing

21:57SPEAKERBut yeah, that's v-mix v-mix is the software that we use and we'll probably get into how we use it in a second

22:02SPEAKERBut yeah, that machine is the rise in 964

22:06SPEAKERgigs of RAM with the 2070 in it

22:08SPEAKERAnd that's been pretty good. And then the hard drives are whatever really there's no storage necessary on it

22:14SPEAKERI have so I'd like to envy me is on it

22:17SPEAKERSo those those two computers are actually what sit next to me right here. That's yeah

22:22SPEAKERFacing me so I can access all the ports. Okay

22:25SPEAKERThis is all very instructional for me because you have so many computers and I didn't I only like absorb through osmosis stuff

22:30SPEAKERYou talk about here and there I don't have like a full picture of what you're surrounded by and how you're using it

22:34SPEAKERSo it's like it's actually useful for me to hear like, okay

22:37SPEAKERWhat is he recording on like which machine is doing the the actual work when we're doing a podcast or like?

22:42SPEAKERWhat is his video pumping through and like what is the backup recording running on?

22:46SPEAKERSo yeah, so basically what happens technically what happens like what's happening right now is I'm recording

22:51SPEAKERThis is I'm recording my local audio on that desktop PC and then I have OBS open

22:57SPEAKERWhich I have a two monitors on my desktop PC

23:00SPEAKERBut I actually have a third monitor out that goes into a capture on the VMX machine and I use OBS to send

23:08SPEAKERRoute over whatever I want to the VMX machine, which is also then sending out to two other recorders

23:16SPEAKERSo this is getting recorded three times one with just my audio

23:19SPEAKERYeah, and then and then twice with the your audio as well the the full mix down in case something happens

23:27SPEAKERAnd then that's basically I OBS is what I used to generally send stuff to VMX

23:33SPEAKERI could just use NDI. It's become pretty stable and it's fairly good, but I just like the hardwired connect

23:40SPEAKERThat's her if I can do it. Yeah, I'll say real quick on the backup recordings

23:44SPEAKERI think I think to our credit if I can blow our horn a little bit

23:47SPEAKERYeah

23:47SPEAKERThe number of times where we've had to take that mix down of a video call which is gonna be lower quality because everybody's going

23:53SPEAKERthrough compressed

23:54SPEAKERVideo call audio and stuff is like almost zero

23:57SPEAKERI can't honestly think of a ever like a single time we ever had to just take that

24:02SPEAKERCrappy down. Yeah and make that the podcast like we all record locally

24:06SPEAKERSo we have high quality audio and we can do

24:08SPEAKERYou know

24:09SPEAKERindividual processing on each person's track and blah blah blah and I don't think we've ever lost enough of the primary

24:14SPEAKERRecordings that we've even had to go to that for that mix down once once or twice. I think we've had to use it. I think

24:22SPEAKEROccasionally we've had to use portions of it where we're somebody's recording stop

24:26SPEAKERThey notice it and then they restart again and we just have to fill in a chunk

24:30SPEAKERYeah, if you ever hear like the audio quality change mysteriously for like three minutes. That's why yeah the funnier the the more

24:37SPEAKERThe case I run into more which is I find funny is I usually do this set up no matter what I'm on like you

24:42SPEAKERYou're you're assembling this podcast. And so like you didn't ask me to do a backup

24:47SPEAKERyou didn't ask me to run the system, but I usually run this no matter if I'm guessing on anything and

24:52SPEAKERI've had the person on the other end ask me for this

24:56SPEAKERI was just about to say that is that is as a podcast guest that is the most conscientious thing you could possibly do

25:03SPEAKERLike doing this Austin Walker will also do that

25:06SPEAKERI've noticed that when he guests on things that I have he will run a full

25:10SPEAKERI mean that man also podcast quite a bit. Yeah

25:13SPEAKERYeah, so I've had people ask for the mix down. I also use the mix down for sinking and

25:19SPEAKERfor making sure that when stuff has video components to it that it is matching the video component and now matching the

25:27SPEAKERlocal

25:29SPEAKERSink that we would do right a kind of weird thing. Maybe maybe in the weeds here

25:34SPEAKERbut when we do the podcast we sync it to what everybody's local time is when we sank when we clap and do our thing so

25:41SPEAKERThat it's it's probably a little bit less laggy between people's call and response

25:46SPEAKERBut when we do something that has video like the ramble cast, we're actually have to sync to whoever is recording it

25:53SPEAKERotherwise

25:54SPEAKERIt won't the lips and the and the audio won't match up. So

26:00SPEAKERAnyway, that's the v-mix machine

26:02SPEAKERAnd then that pushes out to another computer because I again this is because I can and because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy

26:09SPEAKERI don't stream from V from v-mix

26:12SPEAKERI just compile everything in v-mix and I send that feed off to another computer a laptop

26:17SPEAKERI have that does the streaming and that's just an old MSI laptop with a 1070 in it and that basic all that does is

26:24SPEAKERRun OBS and push out to YouTube and twitch and stuff like that

26:27SPEAKERthe reason I don't do that from v-mix is I do like

26:32SPEAKERsome separation of

26:35SPEAKERConcerns let's say

26:37SPEAKERif the v-mix machine is streaming and doing all it's still a computer if it's streaming and doing all the

26:43SPEAKERCompositing and stuff any one of those things locks up. The other thing is going to be a problem. So we've had cases where look if

26:51SPEAKERYou know my computer playing a game crashes, which happens the stream still goes and I just have to say hey, hold on a second

26:57SPEAKERI'm just doing this if v-mix locks up or something weird happens there the stream can still be hitting twitch and won't and won't stop

27:05SPEAKERI can just put like a technical difficulty sign up on the stream and it's not doesn't just go dead

27:11SPEAKERAnd then I should mention all of these things. The fun thing is these are all

27:15SPEAKERin about two or three

27:19SPEAKERBackup power universe UPS's so that it is fun to see if my power goes out which has happened here and there

27:26SPEAKERWhat doesn't doesn't die? Yeah, what doesn't doesn't die?

27:29SPEAKERI think I think that happens a few months ago where like your camera went black, but we could still hear you talking

27:35SPEAKERYeah, and I am because I've got a similar setup here

27:37SPEAKERAnd in fact, I think I may have made similar choices to you when I immediately was like, I bet his power just went out

27:43SPEAKERYeah, he doesn't have his camera on the UPS, but he does have the computer and the mic and the audio interface

27:46SPEAKERSo I recently bought a they'll one of those smaller ones

27:50SPEAKERWith that are just like almost looks like a big power strip that I put the camera into

27:55SPEAKERLike a like a tiny UPS

27:56SPEAKERI've been thinking about getting one of those but I can never like I go out and look at guides and they'll be like oh this

28:00SPEAKERAmazon basics is the one to get

28:05SPEAKERIt's for non-critical things like the camera that are like, okay

28:09SPEAKERThat's fine. I think the other we had a thing recently where my power went out, right and I was like look

28:14SPEAKERI've got 25 minutes of backup. Let's work. Let's finish this podcast. Yes. Yeah, you were literally in the text chat of the

28:21SPEAKERCall we were on like typing. It's like alright 15 minutes left. Yeah

28:26SPEAKERCome up because I have it hooked up to I have that UPS hooked up to my PC

28:30SPEAKERI could see the thing being like your computer's gonna shut down in two minutes

28:33SPEAKERWe're starting the process be like, yeah, we got to wrap this up. It's it's it's getting real close

28:37SPEAKERso that's the that's basically the chain of

28:41SPEAKERPCs that's the three main PCs my desktop my gaming desktop Swiss Army knife the vMix machine and the

28:48SPEAKERAnd the streaming box, which is just the MSI laptop

28:52SPEAKERyeah, the streaming box is a great amount of freedom to have for the for the thing that's doing the like switching and compositing not

28:59SPEAKERTo be bound to how healthy the stream is because there are so many notifications now

29:04SPEAKERAssociated with beginning a stream on like for example

29:07SPEAKERLike people get notifications on their phone if they follow you our discord is set up to pop a thing every time a stream starts

29:13SPEAKERSo if you're having technical difficulties on the thing that's doing all the stranding and you have to restart the stream like four times now

29:20SPEAKERYou've got four notifications going out. It just it feels so gauche, you know, like like it feels it feels

29:26SPEAKERUnprofessional, yeah, I have the stream just healthy and going constantly no matter what is

29:31SPEAKERYou know screwing up on the back end is is really nice to the point that I'm kind of surprised

29:36SPEAKERThere isn't more of an industry for like all-in-one little streaming boxes. Oh

29:41SPEAKERSure, okay, maybe the pearl expensive semi-perfect like persumer type stuff

29:47SPEAKERYeah, they've had them I had them at giant bomb. I was a big fan of them

29:50SPEAKERI had a couple of them also had a dedicated h.264 at the time recorder, which was great

29:56SPEAKERBut the the we use the pearl and I think you guys had a different experience that I did giant bomb east with it

30:03SPEAKERI really enjoyed it

30:05SPEAKERWhich was basically just a dedicated streaming box

30:08SPEAKERand but the nice thing about the pearl at the time too is it could do multi encodes locally and then send those up to be

30:15SPEAKERCombined into one stream with different encoding choices which so there was a while there time bomb

30:21SPEAKERwe do like three or four encodes and you send those all to different endpoints and then it

30:26SPEAKERIt would scoop them all up. Yes. That was awesome

30:29SPEAKERBut that local encode stuff is just I'm sorry to derail we need to get back to your computers

30:33SPEAKERBut the the local encode stuff for streaming is just gonna get more important because I don't know if you followed what twitch is doing

30:38SPEAKERLike with their next-gen codec stuff as they move into AV one and they shot two six five and stuff like that

30:42SPEAKERThey're they it looks like they are looking to offload more and more of the multi stream encoding to the user rather than their servers

30:49SPEAKERSo I'm gonna have you and you know modern video cards can handle multiple encodes at a time

30:53SPEAKERIt's not the end of the world

30:54SPEAKERBut like it seems like you're going to be encoding all the different quality levels of your stream soon and sending all of those up

31:00SPEAKERTo them. Yeah, and that's basically what we were doing back

31:02SPEAKERgiant bomb mise for a bit there and so that you know, I'm always worried about taxing a computer's video card or

31:09SPEAKERthe ability for a computer to do that, especially on the vMix machine where I've got

31:13SPEAKERDecoding coming in from and we'll talk about SRT stuff in a second here

31:16SPEAKERI'm sure but I've got decoding happening there and then I've got encoding going out

31:21SPEAKERand what happens on the

31:24SPEAKERon the vMix machine if you're streaming also is

31:28SPEAKERLook, this is a belt and suspenders thing again

31:31SPEAKERI like that I have a hard wire and a hard gate from what happens on this

31:40SPEAKERMachine where you and Alex and any guests come in or talking and chatting to what goes out to the world

31:46SPEAKERso I actually have just two scenes on my

31:51SPEAKERStreaming laptop one that is live and one that is not and so I need to be like look

31:57SPEAKERI don't have to worry as much about Mike's bleeding in or or is the thing

32:03SPEAKERFully fade the black or whatever because that scene just does not have those on this on this OBS machine

32:10SPEAKERJust does not have those inputs. It just will not push it through

32:12SPEAKERI mean, it's still makes me concerned but I that I really enjoy that just have a panic button. You can hit

32:18SPEAKERLet's just shut this off right now. Something got out or just pre-stream stuff where you know, look

32:23SPEAKERI've been on a lot of streams have been doing this a while where like you're just not sure hey

32:28SPEAKERLook, you might think you're on your pre-show countdown

32:31SPEAKERBut a mic is bleeding into that and it's just and it's just going out to air or you fade it down

32:36SPEAKERWe literally I've mentioned this before but we on the control panel on a TriCaster

32:41SPEAKERWe literally had points where it just wasn't pushed down all the way and so the mics were still open

32:45SPEAKEROh, wow, like a little t-bar. Yeah on the t-bar Wow

32:48SPEAKERYeah, it just wasn't so the screen looked black, but it didn't register as all the way down

32:53SPEAKERSo audio would just still come underneath

32:56SPEAKERWhich you know that stuff that stuff happened. So I like having just a separate machine that is like I'm streaming out but

33:03SPEAKERThe signal isn't isn't reaching that computer. Really there's there's kind of a gate on there. So I do enjoy that awesome

33:12SPEAKERSo that those are the work machines basically that I have and is it worth talking about the other ones? Yeah

33:17SPEAKERLet's look over quickly. I mean this is the fun stuff to me, but you've got multiples with three. I see at least three different types of server

33:25SPEAKERSo yeah, I've got my NAS we've talked a lot about that. And so that NAS was built in

33:32SPEAKER2016

33:33SPEAKERAnd so what is that? It's going getting close to ten years here eight years

33:37SPEAKERWith that so I don't know how much this thing still holds up, but I still works fine for me. It's got a Xeon e3

33:45SPEAKER76 in it. I don't even ask me what that means anymore

33:48SPEAKERI'm sure at the time I had looked that up and it was fine

33:50SPEAKERBut that's it. I looked it up right before this. It's a quad core. Okay, so so for four cores eight threads

33:56SPEAKERand that's at a

33:58SPEAKER3.6 gigahertz, it's got 32 gigs of RAM where ECC RAM in it, which probably could be bumped up with the amount of storage

34:05SPEAKERI'm kind of running in there now

34:08SPEAKERSo it's got important

34:11SPEAKERLook I'm not gonna say I was near the beginning of free NAS, but it was

34:16SPEAKERGenerally not too far away where people were still using USB drives for their system drives before they were like just don't do that anymore

34:23SPEAKERSo I still run my I just only recently stopped using USB

34:29SPEAKERflash drives

34:31SPEAKERfor the local or for the system drive where I had two in there running as a mirror and

34:38SPEAKERDo you just chew through them like two or three a year, right? They just fail. You know, pop them out put them in fail

34:44SPEAKERI recently upgraded to USB SSDs to see how they hold up

34:49SPEAKERAnd you know, I think I got like the iBuffalo ones or whatever

34:52SPEAKERThey are just like little SSDs and just see how they run

34:56SPEAKERYeah

34:56SPEAKEREven even cheap SSDs these days are you know, they're gonna be big enough and have like probably at least

35:01SPEAKERRudimentary enough where leveling on them that when they're writing to eat themselves, you know

35:05SPEAKERThey they move around where on the drive they're writing over and over so that they're not wearing themselves out

35:09SPEAKERSo those those should last like I've been on I've been on a pair of $20 SSDs for like three years now as my boot

35:15SPEAKERDrives in there and zero problems. Okay, great

35:18SPEAKERYeah

35:18SPEAKERand I got a knock on wood this whole segment should have a knock on wood and then so those are I just have two of

35:23SPEAKERThose running as a mirrored pair

35:25SPEAKERFor that and then for my my pools. I started off with sea gates

35:32SPEAKERYou remember was two terabytes or four terabyte drives those blew up. I

35:38SPEAKERThink too soon. I started having errors with those and I started our main those and eventually

35:45SPEAKERThat whole I had eight of them

35:47SPEAKERI've almost cycled through all of them

35:50SPEAKERI mean now that it's been eight years that makes sense, but it really early on

35:54SPEAKERI don't know if I got a bad batch or what it felt like I under a year

35:58SPEAKERThey were they were really not holding up that might have been like the tail end of I believe I remember this is getting fuzzy

36:04SPEAKERI think there was like flooding in Asia like in the news. It might've been Thailand

36:07SPEAKERI forget where like like most of the hard drives are made or there are a lot of hard drive manufacturing there and there were

36:11SPEAKERjust like

36:13SPEAKERYou know issues in the manufacturing after this ecological disaster that just kind of made hard drives unreliable for a while

36:19SPEAKERSo that might have been coming off of that maybe like but I've switched back over to Western Digital

36:25SPEAKERAnd then we got into I'm not gonna get into it

36:27SPEAKERbut then their whole you know, like their red line that went through that whole thing, you know, I feel like I

36:34SPEAKERFeel like a prisoner to Western Digital

36:36SPEAKERThere are so few hard drive companies at this point and I think their stuff is probably still

36:41SPEAKERArguably the best or you know, it's as good as you're gonna get but a lot of their policies are just god-awful

36:47SPEAKERTheir RMA stuff is I've always found to be fairly

36:51SPEAKERsmooth like I I've already made a lot of stuff through them over my lifetime and

36:55SPEAKERIt's usually pretty good. Yeah for the most part. I will say real fast

36:59SPEAKERI bought and you know, we got into that whole the shingled the SMR stuff. I ended up with one of the shingle drives

37:05SPEAKERWe've talked about it on here before

37:07SPEAKERThe the public relations disaster blew up, you know, and then they started offering to replace people

37:12SPEAKERSo I are made that drive which had never been used before. Yeah, they sent me a refurb replacement

37:17SPEAKERThat's lame and by the time and then it went back in, you know

37:20SPEAKERIt's kind of a cold spare just went back in the closet by the time I got around to using it like two years later

37:25SPEAKERCompletely busted totally non-functional like would not even reliably like spin up

37:29SPEAKEROh my gosh, that's terrible to show up in the operating system. And by now I'm out. I just at that point. I was like well

37:36SPEAKERIt's not really big enough to be super useful to move for me at this point because it's so old now

37:40SPEAKERSo I just ate I just ate

37:42SPEAKERIt was it was a rotten experience. I've never I've never had that

37:45SPEAKERI actually just only like a month and a half ago. I had to arm a drive I got for

37:51SPEAKERMy security system here. It was a one of the you know, every every system now has its own type of drive, right?

37:57SPEAKERSo this was a surveillance of the blue or purple whatever it is. I think it's purple

38:00SPEAKERI got one that was coming up with smart errors like a like a week or two in and so are made that and it was

38:07SPEAKERA pretty smooth process outside for that. I sent you a new one. They sent me they sent me a new one

38:13SPEAKERSo, I mean look I don't I don't do Ram burn ins and I don't do drive stress

38:20SPEAKERI just aim I just don't do it. So like, you know, I I take it out of the packaging

38:25SPEAKERI put it in it goes right into production. It goes right live. I don't

38:29SPEAKERProbably got time for that. I should I probably should but like I don't yeah, that's not the life

38:34SPEAKERI laid and again, this is hobbyist stuff. This isn't and when I say production literally

38:38SPEAKERI'm just I just mean I put in my basement and again it goes

38:44SPEAKERUse that yeah, it's a amateur production amateur production. So this is my 2006 free NAS. This is my big one

38:50SPEAKERThis is my main one. It's in a super super micro chassis

38:54SPEAKERIt's got IPM I which I love I would never build a computer without

38:58SPEAKERIPM I if I could avoid it, but you know you pay for that right and then

39:05SPEAKERThis is one of those things that kind of regret like collecting masterpiece transformers where at some point I

39:11SPEAKERHad the eight eight bays on there. My wife uses this also for

39:16SPEAKERFor her work for her company. She works out of the home as well. She's got two companies and she uses it

39:21SPEAKERI was like look I'm running out of I

39:23SPEAKERWhat's the cost to go to eight terabyte drives versus you just get more bays?

39:30SPEAKERAnd I wasn't thinking about the power consumption I was just thinking about the space and I just wanted one

39:35SPEAKERI just wanted to not worry about it anymore

39:37SPEAKERSo I bought one of those freaking net app disc shelves used ones that has like I think it's 24 bays on it

39:43SPEAKERI'm all right

39:44SPEAKERThey're not all full only like another eight or full on it and that could just I could put drives in there for days

39:49SPEAKERBut freedom that's freedom but me and that is that thing probably sucks

39:54SPEAKERSo a spinning dry like filling that thing up with spinning drives probably would melt my power

40:00SPEAKERMy my power consumption. Yeah, I've looked into that stuff for and I think it very much depends on like what generation of drive

40:06SPEAKERWe're talking about like, you know hard drives from ten years ago. We're gonna be way less efficient

40:09SPEAKERBut they use hard drives generally they use a lot of power at spin up, you know, okay

40:13SPEAKERBut then once they're going I think the momentum kicks in okay, like not as bad as you would think

40:18SPEAKERI want to say I've got six hard drives in mine. I think I think once they're fully spinning

40:23SPEAKERIt's like six watts per I should just stick a kilowatt on that one of those things at some point

40:29SPEAKERThat's the thing. I also always think about doing and then like convince myself. I'm better off not. Yeah, like

40:36SPEAKERI mean really I bought it because again like it I could justify it with work and with my wife's company and then like oh

40:42SPEAKERAt some point I'll probably make a pool for the kids like that to have their stuff on there

40:47SPEAKERAnd then of course, you know, I'm sure some people are saying like, you know, NASA isn't a backup machine

40:53SPEAKEROf course, it's not a backup machine. Do I have my other NASA's what's your backup NASA's for?

40:59SPEAKERYeah, and I did move over to true NASA actually not that long ago. So no more free nats. It's untrue NASA

41:04SPEAKERI'm not sure that scale. I'm still true NASA

41:06SPEAKERBSD that's right, but I do have my other NAS

41:10SPEAKERWhich is a very small box. It's in a mini PC box

41:13SPEAKERIt's tucked up in the attic and that is just enough storage to back up that 2016 now

41:19SPEAKERSo that just has for Western Digital 10 terabyte drives, and I think they're in

41:25SPEAKERThey might be in a raid 5. I can't remember how I set that up. So it's just one as a

41:32SPEAKERBackup I think that's fine right one parity drive. I always I always lose track of that stuff

41:37SPEAKERI think five is is one you can lose one drive, right? I think that might be what's in there

41:42SPEAKERI can't I can't remember it. I have to double-check. It's been a long time. That thing's been up again since 2019

41:47SPEAKERJust running away. I haven't knock on wood gotten any notifications about drive failure in there yet. I know smart tests from there

41:54SPEAKERThat's one of the nice things about running true NASA's they make it pretty easy to if you have two different true NASA's machines

41:59SPEAKERIt's pretty simple to set up like hey just replicate this one to this other one like on this timer. Yep

42:05SPEAKERThat's just that's what that does. It just I just picked the pools

42:08SPEAKERI wanted to back up and it just replicates over to there. Yeah

42:13SPEAKERSorry, love the love the geographically distinct locations for the two NASA's like one in the basement one in the attic. That's right

42:21SPEAKERFlooding is gonna go down fire assumes probably gonna mostly travel up

42:25SPEAKEROne of them is probably gonna make it through unless you have compound disasters and then you're fucked anyway

42:30SPEAKERso the thing is I don't do I don't do off-site backup, which I probably should but

42:35SPEAKERthe

42:37SPEAKERThing I always thought about doing was like I should probably just have one more backup

42:41SPEAKERHappening where it's just to an external drives that I could just grab or something

42:45SPEAKERbut where I should do cloud backups, but a lot of the a

42:48SPEAKERlot of that when I looked at it at the time a lot of cloud backups if they

42:52SPEAKERSuspected or you you told them you're on a mass that prices go way up versus a desktop machine

42:57SPEAKERYeah, you're pretty much paying like business pricing for any like bulk storage where you're doing like

43:03SPEAKERPull numbers out of the air here like six dollars per terabyte per month or something like that

43:07SPEAKERLike it gets very pricey. You have to start you have to start picking and choosing like, okay

43:11SPEAKERWhat data can I really not live out here?

43:13SPEAKERBecause if I back up this entire NAS it's gonna be fifty dollars a month and that's no good and to be honest

43:18SPEAKERAside from things that have sentimental value. It's mostly I'm backing up stuff that just would take me a long time to reacquire

43:24SPEAKEROr or not be worth my time to reacquire like yeah, like my ROM collection my like

43:31SPEAKERA lot of my books and the ebooks and stuff that have backed up, you know

43:35SPEAKERIt's just it's just a lot of time to get library library stuff like that. Yeah, exactly

43:41SPEAKEREven a Plex library library. I feel like hey, you know what I could probably do re-encodes better re-encodes now

43:48SPEAKEROn some of these and and just kind of make it better or I ditch all the blue way

43:54SPEAKERSorry DVD rips I did and just get

43:57SPEAKERAsk Alex to see if he's got blu-ray editions of like all these things so that that's my backup nasty

44:04SPEAKERThat's the one up there again one is none. So basically I have no backup for my mask, but

44:09SPEAKERMy wife does backups to from her stuff to cloud backups. And so she's got a true backup

44:18SPEAKERReal quick before we move on from the mass stuff like for your wife and I guess for you in the future for your kids

44:23SPEAKERIf you give them storage - yeah, are you just doing SMB like Samba for network shares for them?

44:29SPEAKERSo I do mostly SMB stuff as SMB and sif I guess right? What's what's a sift share sifts?

44:36SPEAKERI think it believe it's the same thing. It's just different names for the same

44:41SPEAKERSo my wife is on mostly on Mac

44:43SPEAKERso I do I do had one or it did have a pool set up for or a share set up for her with

44:51SPEAKERGosh, what is the Mac?

44:53SPEAKERAFP

44:54SPEAKERIs that is that deprecated at this point?

44:56SPEAKERYes, I is an AFP. I forget what it whatever apples share network storage sharing thing was. Yes, they did deprecate

45:03SPEAKERYeah, I think it still technically works. But like even they are like, hey, come on. Don't use this anymore

45:08SPEAKERYeah, so I think I had one of those and I think I might have just moved that over to SMB

45:12SPEAKERI also had a scuzzy share for a while, which I was doing for my desktop PC backups to a scuzzy

45:18SPEAKERShare which was awesome. It was great. It was just mount locally like a drive. Yeah

45:23SPEAKERYeah, I scuzzy. Yeah, it was a little bit of a weird wonky thing to set up at the time

45:27SPEAKERBut uh, but then I realized when I went to go restore from it

45:31SPEAKERI was testing it out in a restore the restore wouldn't do it off of that

45:36SPEAKERThat share so then I at some point I was like, well, that's that's not restoring the one way to do

45:41SPEAKERSo I stopped doing that. I think I deleted that. So yeah, mostly SMBs shares

45:47SPEAKERBunch a bunch of different shares. It's you know, it's like my drive and then a media share and all that other stuff

45:53SPEAKERSo that's the Plex stuff. I used to run my sorry. That's the NAS stuff

45:56SPEAKERI used to run Plex within a jail or whatever they turn jails into

46:01SPEAKEReventually and then I

46:03SPEAKERDecided to separate that out and bought the hottest item on the markets one of those little like nook

46:10SPEAKERBoxes. Yeah, well all-in-one pcs. Those things are

46:14SPEAKERIt's a hot market. Those things are crazy capable now. Yeah, and we're getting more so

46:19SPEAKERso I bought one of those and little like i7 box with 32 gigs of ram a couple hundred bucks and I run Plex off of

46:26SPEAKERThat now the storage is still on the NAS but the transcode because uses that Intel

46:34SPEAKERGraphics in integrated graphics. It's fine. I find it to be fine and it runs really well

46:40SPEAKERit can do captioning it's it's runs I

46:43SPEAKERFind it to run better and I don't hear my NAS spinning up every time I go to watch the thing

46:49SPEAKERI don't hear all the fans on that case spin up which is really what I wanted to stop taxing that thing for

46:54SPEAKERserving a Plex file

46:56SPEAKERso that little nut runs next to it and then of course since I had that then I just put a bunch of other like

47:01SPEAKERLike ran like a pie hole and a docker on it. I I bought it

47:05SPEAKERI deleted Windows put Linux on it and then started maybe putting some other things services on

47:13SPEAKERIt's kind of I have an old PC older PC that's a

47:18SPEAKERFor my kids that is running an i7

47:22SPEAKER6700 for their gaming PC the venerable Skylake machine. Yep. Yep that thing

47:27SPEAKERThat thing has a 2070 in it and that

47:30SPEAKERBasically runs it sits in the basement and the kids connect to it through steam link or actually at this point moonlight

47:37SPEAKERand they are able to play in the den and or in the living room whatever you want to call it and

47:44SPEAKERThey can just kind of play PC games over there

47:47SPEAKERMy son has a very we have such old shitty laptops in our house

47:51SPEAKERLike we have just the most garbage that my wife has a nice more modern MacBook aside from that

47:56SPEAKERWe're all a decade and a half on old real garbage laptops

48:01SPEAKERbut I'm a pretty firm believer in just having a thing that can connect to our network and run a terminal or

48:08SPEAKERConnect to something else just a browser. Yeah do a browser everything runs in the browser. Anyway, yeah

48:13SPEAKEROr just connect to another stronger PC and then just basically stream that so that's what my son will do for something like a hell

48:18SPEAKERDivers, it just has this little crappy laptop that couldn't run

48:22SPEAKERYou know

48:24SPEAKERCouldn't run the you know drug wars on it and basically connects to this machine and then he can run

48:30SPEAKERHell divers from like the local version of steam link

48:34SPEAKERSo that's that's pretty cool

48:36SPEAKERI I would I would like to flesh that out at some point there they're gaming stuff and think about how to do that with

48:42SPEAKERterminals in their rooms or for like very slim small terminals

48:48SPEAKERThink that's I think that's my computers. Did we talk did we talk about the prox mox machine? Oh, and then there's I last one

48:55SPEAKERI love prox mox. I'm a big prox mox advocate. Yeah, it's super popular on our discord

49:02SPEAKERMy brother was a was EXSI

49:07SPEAKEROne yeah, but he's actually said that their policies he works more in enterprise stuff

49:12SPEAKERSo he he that's what he was familiar with and I was I was prox mox

49:16SPEAKERAnd he said he's actually thinking about switching over to prox mox as well. I guess

49:19SPEAKERthe XSI has done some policy changes, which

49:23SPEAKERVMware got bought by I think Broadcom and I've I'd certainly don't follow that world, but I feel like I see more grousing about

49:30SPEAKERVMware stuff. Okay purchases that acquisition. So I love prox mox

49:36SPEAKERAnd I find it very easy to use. So that's an i9

49:41SPEAKER9900

49:42SPEAKERRunning on that machine originally that machine was like I've got a spare thing. Let me mess around with Proxmox Proxmox at this point

49:49SPEAKERIt's got 128 gigs of RAM on it. Okay, that's where I that's where I got my other through to 32 gig

49:56SPEAKERchips from

49:58SPEAKERSorry to do with two 16s in there and I put those in my desktop PC. That's why I have 64 in there

50:02SPEAKERI just swap those out

50:04SPEAKER128 gigs of RAM because it's you know, it could be pretty ram hungry

50:07SPEAKEREspecially if you're running like game servers and whatever else on there

50:10SPEAKERThat's where I finally bought my first enterprise SSDs my microns. I bought those right?

50:15SPEAKERYeah

50:16SPEAKERYeah bought those used with they came with 15% wear on them or 10 10 to 15 percent wear and they're rocking

50:23SPEAKERBut even the 85% you have left will last you like 20 years

50:27SPEAKERI hope so. I mean I had two Kingston cheapo cheapo SSDs in there that were at 0%

50:33SPEAKERReally? Yeah. Yeah, they had just gotten chewed through. I mean I run ZFS on that machine

50:39SPEAKERSo there's I think there's a lot of rights happening on those drives

50:42SPEAKERAs far as I understand it you're you and your audience might understand it much more than I do

50:47SPEAKERBut that that thing runs there

50:50SPEAKERSo I have four two terabyte micron drives running in an array there in a rate array

50:56SPEAKERAnd that's mostly for just VM and container storage and then I back up to the mass

51:02SPEAKERIt's a couple of other drives in there just for system stuff

51:05SPEAKERBut on that machine, that's where that's where I virtualize my Mac

51:10SPEAKERUsed just for the podcast for that software

51:13SPEAKERI

51:14SPEAKERVirtualize a bunch of Linux machines. I have my dev environment on there. My son now has a dev environment on there

51:21SPEAKERGotta give him his own VM. So all those Python upgrades can't screw everything up

51:25SPEAKERYep, and then also so that when I I'm we if we have time we could talk about it, but that's where I do

51:32SPEAKERHe is on a LAN that is just isolated to that land. His machine cannot talk to any other machines

51:40SPEAKEROn our network. It just goes straight back up to the internet

51:43SPEAKERSo it's like it's like full-on nuclear option like only way to be sure her

51:47SPEAKERYeah, he's he's not physically separated but network wise he should if he downloads anything weird

51:52SPEAKERIt should just be able to destroy that one machine and hopefully not go out sideways

51:58SPEAKERI will so I have on there Raspberry Pi runs on there in a in a docker container

52:04SPEAKERThe ubiquity dashboard runs on there

52:08SPEAKERThat's where I run my change detection

52:11SPEAKERDocker container so only recently have I gotten into docker

52:15SPEAKERand this was the thing if we had time to go into I'd love to ask your audience because there's

52:20SPEAKERThere are virtual machines. There's containerizing and then there's docker or or similar, right? All right, and it's like

52:27SPEAKERSometimes I'm just not sure what to go with. I feel like when do I do a container which to my understanding is mostly

52:34SPEAKERIt's kind of repurposing their base operating system and just doing what it needs to do. Yeah

52:39SPEAKERSpecifically for itself right runs on the host kernel. So it's accessing the same system resources and

52:45SPEAKERThere is a layer of separation there, but it's all using like OS hooks, you know, it's like system calls into the existing kernel

52:51SPEAKERso there is there is

52:53SPEAKERsandboxing but theoretically there, you know, if bugs emerged there are theoretically ways that it like a

52:58SPEAKERProcess in the container could escape if the right attacker knew what they were doing and have the right exploit they could as technically

53:06SPEAKERTheoretically, it's gonna keep saying that could escape the container and touch the system like the host system

53:12SPEAKERBut but even then there are ways to you know

53:14SPEAKERcontrol what

53:16SPEAKERlike what user account the processes in the container are running as so that even if they do get out of

53:20SPEAKERThe container through an exploit, you know, they're still running as a user with like few to no privileges

53:25SPEAKERbut a virtual machine zero chance of escape like fully segmented like no like at the hardware level is

53:32SPEAKERUsing like processor features to segment things out and be its own computer. So but it's more expensive

53:37SPEAKERYeah, but yes

53:38SPEAKERlike there there are more resource considerations there like like I like a container will only use as much RAM as the thing it's running needs

53:44SPEAKERto use whereas a VM

53:46SPEAKERYou have to allocate and like I want to give this four gigabytes. I think I think maybe you newer hypervisors

53:51SPEAKERIt might still be able to scale RAM usage prox mocks can scale it

53:54SPEAKERI'm pretty sure it just uses what you're needing. It'll balloon if it needs to and then the kind of shrink I think I think

54:01SPEAKERSo I've got I've got a Windows 11 machine on there. I should just switch over to Windows 11 like it's yeah

54:06SPEAKERIt's it's we're gonna end up like next year. It's a it's fine asterisk

54:11SPEAKERLet's say like it's it's it's mostly fine

54:13SPEAKERThere will be like they'll probably be like a dozen things that will annoy you when you switch

54:17SPEAKERThey're slightly different. But like I've gotten used to all of them

54:21SPEAKERIt's yes, it's October of next year is just about a year from now is when they're supposedly end-of-lifing 10

54:27SPEAKERBut I actually wonder if they're gonna push that back because I think I've never seen more people more resistant to upgrading

54:34SPEAKERWindows 10 mostly works kind of fine for me though

54:37SPEAKERI put the Windows 11 VM on there to do my dark business mostly and to try out Windows 11 and be like, okay

54:42SPEAKERLook, I'm gonna download this kind of shadier software that I would like to keep contained on this thing

54:49SPEAKERThat being said I still haven't I saw its network is still integrated into my main network

54:54SPEAKERSo it could it could go sideways if if it wanted to but you know

54:58SPEAKERI build them so that I could nuke the VM if I need to and just start over and mess around in there

55:04SPEAKERI just like it's just a joy to me to be able to spin up something very quickly

55:09SPEAKERMess around in there and then break it and and destroy it. I find great joy in that process

55:15SPEAKERI have messed up so many Linux builds and you know been like, oh, okay. I'll just delete this

55:21SPEAKERI don't yeah, especially when you have the ability to like clone

55:24SPEAKERYes, or copy a VM like you kind of set a container or VM up the way you like it

55:28SPEAKERAnd then you're like, okay now I'm gonna not touch this again

55:30SPEAKERI'm just gonna clone this off and I can I can foul it up

55:33SPEAKERHowever, yeah, I'm just kill it and clone it again or like, you know mine backs up

55:38SPEAKERI think every couple of days or every week it just you just restore from backup and you're just like, oh, okay of the whole

55:43SPEAKERMachine, so I really I really enjoy that process and running that locally and again, I've gotten more into Docker stuff

55:49SPEAKERSo now I just have a kind of bigger VM

55:53SPEAKERthat runs Docker containers

55:55SPEAKERand

55:57SPEAKERYou look sometimes I don't know

55:58SPEAKERI don't know this should I be making these X their own containers or is a Docker container fine and

56:04SPEAKERDoing networking stuff within Docker can sometimes be a bit of a headache

56:07SPEAKEROh, so I run traffic as well

56:09SPEAKERAnd this is like for my reverse proxy stuff and the certificate signing and all of that that runs now in a Docker

56:17SPEAKERContainer within a VM. Yeah, I think if you want to just move on to the reverse proxy exposing services to the internet stuff

56:24SPEAKERI think I think that was the point at which we flew a little too close to the Sun on the ramble cast

56:29SPEAKERYeah, I started talking about that stuff

56:32SPEAKERSo it's okay. I'll make a long story short here. And again, this is definitely not my area of expertise

56:38SPEAKERBut I'm trying to figure it out

56:41SPEAKERSo my son because he's 12 once is learning Python wants to learn Python and he's really really into it

56:48SPEAKERAnd I say because he's 12 because it feels like Python just feels like a great language to get into

56:53SPEAKERBut he's not doing machine learning. He's not doing like

56:57SPEAKERdata

56:59SPEAKERAnalytics, yeah, he's not doing data science. What he's doing is trying to make web stuff in Python and

57:06SPEAKERYou know I from for my money that's not necessarily the most efficient way to make a web

57:12SPEAKERNative web thing in in Python. So he uses flask and some other stuff to do it. I've kind of had to learn alongside him

57:19SPEAKERI'm mostly a JavaScript guy, right? That's that's what I built our

57:24SPEAKERNext lander game database stuff in was react and I like next and I'm more JavaScript. My wife is more PHP

57:31SPEAKERThat's like her bag. So like Python

57:34SPEAKERVery different and like getting it on the web very different

57:37SPEAKERWhich means that we probably have to pay for their apps and you pay for hosting to run your apps

57:42SPEAKERNot like a web server you pay for something to be constantly running this app in the background, right? So things like dreamhost

57:49SPEAKERDon't really I think they canned it not too long ago. They don't really have

57:53SPEAKERPython app support like you go to something like railway or Python anywhere and you paid to host your app there

58:00SPEAKERSo I was like, okay

58:02SPEAKERLet me see if I can just build one something that I can run and expose to the Internet

58:10SPEAKEROkay, okay

58:11SPEAKERTo be clear he wants to like build stuff and put it out there for people outside your house to touch

58:15SPEAKERHe's in middle school. He wants to show his friends

58:18SPEAKERHe built himself a homework tracker and then like also like he wants to like use it from school and stuff like that

58:24SPEAKERAnd right now I think it's not blocked on his school network so he can get to it

58:28SPEAKERThe other thing is I have I run pterodactyl, which is my game server, but I only run it locally

58:34SPEAKERAnd so, you know while I'm doing this, maybe I'd expose some of this stuff to the web

58:39SPEAKERSatisfactory went 1.0. Maybe be nice to expose this stuff

58:43SPEAKERYou know, I run this game server because I have kids and we can connect to it locally here

58:47SPEAKERYeah, do you like real quick? Do you like pterodactyl? Some people on our discord have advocated for it. It's it's one of numerous

58:52SPEAKERThere's like there's like Linux game server. There's pterodactyl

58:55SPEAKERthere's one or two others that's like these projects that

58:58SPEAKERBring a bunch of game servers together and give you an interface to just be like I want to spin up a minecraft server

59:03SPEAKERI want to spin up a quake 2 server or a satisfactory server and it's like an interface to just quickly do that and

59:09SPEAKERPterodactyl seems like the most modern one that I've seen because it's got like a nice web interface. So I do like it's gooey

59:15SPEAKERit's it was a little bit of a it was a little hard to get set up you have to set up this thing called wings and

59:20SPEAKERThen you set up pterodactyl and they have the parlance is really weird have eggs and this what oh, yes

59:26SPEAKERI have time to die not to get off on a pet peeve

59:29SPEAKERI cannot stand projects that like name all of their components after like

59:33SPEAKERCutesy related to like like homebrew on Mac is this is kind of the package manager most people you on Mac and like

59:39SPEAKERIt's not a package. It's a cask or a formula, you know

59:43SPEAKERYeah, it literally when you like update packages like all right pouring cask. It's like you just tell me the thing you're doing

59:48SPEAKERI don't I don't know that a cask is a gooey package versus a formula is a command line package

59:54SPEAKERLike just say what it is. So like getting it up and just kind of wrapping your head around it

59:59SPEAKERIt took me a little bit to get up and make sure

1:00:02SPEAKERThings were working correctly

1:00:03SPEAKERbut once I got it up

1:00:04SPEAKERI really actually did love the the gooey of it like getting a

1:00:07SPEAKERGetting a game server up and running and getting different flavors of game servers up and running is pretty easy

1:00:13SPEAKERAnd and and admitting it it's pretty I like it a lot. So I do like teradactyl a lot

1:00:18SPEAKERI don't have experience with the other one. So I don't know how they are but

1:00:23SPEAKERThose are two things. I was thinking about exposing to the way and look I

1:00:26SPEAKERKnow enough to know that that is a thing to do with caution, right?

1:00:31SPEAKERThey can or at least I think I know enough that is a thing to do with caution once you have

1:00:36SPEAKERExposed yourself to the internet

1:00:39SPEAKERThere's

1:00:41SPEAKERThere's there's risk. There's just risk there and risk and people coming in risking people

1:00:46SPEAKERGetting infiltrating getting once you've opened the door to your from your firewall to let traffic in then

1:00:53SPEAKERYou know, you have to be at least or I think you have to be careful

1:00:57SPEAKERYeah

1:00:57SPEAKERYeah

1:00:58SPEAKERto be clear for people who aren't network professionals like what we're talking about here in the in the classic home user sense is just

1:01:03SPEAKEROpening a port on your router is kind of traditionally how you would have this you would just open that port and port important point

1:01:09SPEAKERIt's to the machine that you want to expose something on so you got a couple of different concerns there one is your you're now

1:01:16SPEAKERKind of broadcasting if you want people to use this you're broadcasting your home IP address, right?

1:01:20SPEAKERWhich can open yourself up to DDoS attacks or it can open yourself up, you know

1:01:24SPEAKEREspecially if we're in a stupid job like we have where people are like, I just want to make this your day miserable, right?

1:01:30SPEAKERAnd so there are a couple of different things where I have gone

1:01:35SPEAKERIn the exposing to the internet side of things. Well, let me back up and I'll try and do this quickly

1:01:41SPEAKEROne is internally I run traffic. It's a it's a it's a build as a reverse proxy

1:01:47SPEAKERbut it's kind of I use it more of like

1:01:50SPEAKERRouting in ingress stuff. So internally on my network. I use my pie hole as my DNS server

1:01:57SPEAKEREvery time I type something like free nass dot local dot my I'm not gonna say it but my domain

1:02:05SPEAKERIt'll go to pie hole pie hole will then say point that to traffic then traffic says oh

1:02:10SPEAKERI know what to do with this

1:02:12SPEAKERIt should go to this machine at this port right and use and use and I use it to get

1:02:18SPEAKERSigned certificates from Cloudflare. So now I no longer get like hey heads up. This is an insecure site

1:02:25SPEAKERSo I get HTTPS and I get signed certificates and I love how that runs and it runs great

1:02:32SPEAKERSo that's what I use

1:02:33SPEAKERThat's important to know because when I'm thinking about going to the exposed to the internet

1:02:38SPEAKERWhat I am planning to do is use Cloudflare as my DNS and I'm just gonna say that I'm just going to

1:02:44SPEAKERTrust Cloudflare as much as I can at this point because that's an important step right at that point

1:02:48SPEAKERYou're like do you trust trust Cloudflare?

1:02:52SPEAKERLike okay. I'm going to put them in my circle of trust. So

1:02:56SPEAKERCloudflare offers

1:02:58SPEAKERMasking and proxy for your IP address, which is pretty awesome. They also offer a service a tunneling service

1:03:04SPEAKERWhich if you install their service locally

1:03:08SPEAKERNo matter if your IP changes or not, they can they can proxy back in they can get into your home network

1:03:14SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

1:03:15SPEAKERSo if I had Vinny Caravela is cool calm and I wanted to hit something locally on my machine as what they're tunneling

1:03:22SPEAKEREven if my IP changes locally, it'll hit and they can mask my IP address

1:03:27SPEAKERThey can write can proxy it

1:03:28SPEAKERThat's like anybody anybody like pinging or resolving that domain that you have is getting it's getting a Cloudflare IP not your home

1:03:34SPEAKERIP that's the thought there and that and that's security through obscurity and that's not the best but you know

1:03:39SPEAKERThat's that's a layer on there, right? That's a that's a pretty good layer

1:03:42SPEAKERSo reverse proxy is something I've been interested in for a while and just never have gotten around to touching

1:03:47SPEAKERSo I've got a lot of questions about it. So my big one is

1:03:51SPEAKERWhen you talked about like your your true NAS machine on your on your network for them

1:03:54SPEAKERYou go to true NAS dots Caravela calm or whatever. Yes that domain you're going to that's a public domain, right?

1:04:00SPEAKERlike that's a domain that has to be registered with DNS publicly and

1:04:04SPEAKERhas to

1:04:06SPEAKERWhat am I trying to say here have DNS it'll have like a name entries and stuff like that. Yes

1:04:11SPEAKERYes has it has like full DNS records and stuff right or at least to at least to get the at least to get the real

1:04:16SPEAKERCertificates that are totally validated so you don't have to click. Yes. I understand. This is unsafe

1:04:20SPEAKERSo it has to be that has to be a public domain, right?

1:04:23SPEAKERSo it has to be a domain that you own it doesn't need the a name records or stuff like that traffic

1:04:28SPEAKERwill will link up with Cloudflare to

1:04:32SPEAKERBasically get those certificates for you without so Cloudflare is doing no DNS for me right now

1:04:37SPEAKERIt is just using Cloudflare and getting a signed cert from them back. That communication is happening within traffic

1:04:46SPEAKERSo I don't have to do any of that. All my DNS stuff is local at this point

1:04:50SPEAKERI never go outside of my network all my 80 port 80 and port

1:04:55SPEAKER443 traffic goes into pie hole and into traffic. I know I'm saying traffic and traffic they're spelled differently but like

1:05:03SPEAKERTR TR a EFI K to be clear. Yeah alpha is how the reverse proxy is spelled and there's a couple of different ones

1:05:10SPEAKERI want with traffic that I think nginx has a

1:05:13SPEAKEROne that a lot of people use as well and nginx is a pretty respected reverse proxy as well and there's um, it's gosh

1:05:19SPEAKERI believe the initials are NPM which and that's fraught because NPM is a big node node. Yes package manager, but um

1:05:27SPEAKERWhat is it in nginx proxy manager? I think is what that's for which is basically like a web front end for that's the one

1:05:33SPEAKERI see a lot. Yeah. Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two the like most accessible ones

1:05:37SPEAKERI see people talking about so that so the thing I'm looking at doing aside from the Cloudflare

1:05:41SPEAKERProxying of my IP address is I'm going to spin up now bear with me here

1:05:46SPEAKERThis might take a second, but I'm gonna spin up a second traffic

1:05:50SPEAKERInstance this is what I'm thinking I'm doing that is for external traffic only

1:05:56SPEAKERExternal coming in so somebody types in Vinny Caravela is cool calm

1:06:01SPEAKERmy router

1:06:04SPEAKERMy edge router gets port 80 traffic coming in right because somebody's now requested

1:06:09SPEAKERPort 80 traffic and you know 80 is HTTP and 443 is HTTPS as far as I understand it. Yeah, that's right

1:06:16SPEAKERSo what I'm planning on doing is then taking that having my router say, okay

1:06:22SPEAKERall 80 traffic that comes in or to port 81 and

1:06:27SPEAKERuse this

1:06:29SPEAKERExternal traffic instance as the traffic cop

1:06:33SPEAKERTo then say okay, you should go to this port. You should go to this and that way I have separate

1:06:40SPEAKERSeparate separation of mine basically of what you can get to from these

1:06:46SPEAKERTwo instances here. I could put them all in one traffic instance. I was looking it up

1:06:51SPEAKERSome people said separating them is probably a belt and suspenders way to do it

1:06:56SPEAKERBut I want to still be able to do my local traffic over 80 and 443 and I'll just do external traffic over like 81

1:07:03SPEAKERAnd 444 so that traffic can manage those two things separately and that and that's the other

1:07:09SPEAKERWay, I'm going to try to keep things off of my network

1:07:13SPEAKERThe other way too is just having those things be on their own vlan so they can't can't reach out sideways if something happens

1:07:20SPEAKERI am genuinely concerned with opening ports up for sure the outside I feel like that that has never as more people are doing home

1:07:27SPEAKERserver stuff and opening more ports and using you PNP which just punches right through your wall and then like

1:07:33SPEAKERPeople are out there port scanning more more people know how to do this stuff and are touching it lately

1:07:37SPEAKERIt feels like the security concerns are just more and more fraud and like, you know, the other thing is like running

1:07:44SPEAKERRunning silly home lab stuff. You're relying on not having vulnerabilities in these things, right and being like

1:07:51SPEAKEROh, actually you can you could just do this thing and bounce out of this network or this environment into something else

1:07:57SPEAKERYeah, whether you're forwarding ports or using a reverse proxy or whatever always important to keep the thing that is listening on a port on

1:08:03SPEAKERA machine updated. Yeah as much as possible because that's where vulnerable vulnerabilities pop up

1:08:08SPEAKERAnd then the more you have the more you kind of have to run through and make sure you're up to date

1:08:12SPEAKERYeah, then you get into I've never touched this stuff. There's a lot of people on

1:08:16SPEAKERon the tech pod discord that advocate for stuff like this like

1:08:19SPEAKERStuff like ansible like ways to automates updating like administration. Yeah, like basically writing like

1:08:26SPEAKERdeclarative

1:08:27SPEAKERconfigs to just like hit a button to make everything update reliably every time instead of just having to go like app to update and

1:08:33SPEAKERFive machines every every week or whatever some of that stuff. Yeah, that's stuff

1:08:38SPEAKERYou know, it's keeping up with that stuff and I'm not great keeping up with it

1:08:42SPEAKERLike even our our database that we run for our game servers that game server our game database

1:08:49SPEAKERWe use for like planet rama and stuff like that

1:08:51SPEAKERLike that thing that the versions of node and stuff on there are not great

1:08:57SPEAKERI'm like a version or two beyond on react on there, but updating all that stuff

1:09:02SPEAKERIt's a pain in the butt if you fall asleep on it and like going going major versions and not keeping up

1:09:08SPEAKERIt'll take me like a week. I think to go through at this point

1:09:12SPEAKERthat's like one of the scariest things in the in the open source Linux world is the idea of

1:09:17SPEAKERIf you don't update for too long

1:09:19SPEAKERyou can no longer update kind of yeah because then because then it's gonna try to jump too many old versions that you missed and

1:09:24SPEAKERUpdate to something that where it's gonna something's gonna break in there and then your whole thing is just hosed because because you didn't stay

1:09:29SPEAKEROn top of it and and do all those intermediate updates when they were new

1:09:32SPEAKERYep, and there's so many dependencies and I'm not a great programmer

1:09:35SPEAKERSo I was just kind of like grabbing dependencies from all over and packages from all over

1:09:39SPEAKERLike sometimes it almost feels like I'd be better off just rewriting this in like it's in react now

1:09:44SPEAKERI actually really like next JS and I was thinking about just porting it over but you know, it's a time thing

1:09:50SPEAKERBut anyway, the reverse proxy stuff

1:09:52SPEAKERThat's my plan cloudflare as the as the kind of in because cloudflare has a self-interest in protecting itself

1:09:59SPEAKERso they will stop as far as I understand they will stop some major attacks at their front door before they get to you and

1:10:06SPEAKERThen using them to I'm not gonna use their tunnel stuff because that actually blows right past your router

1:10:12SPEAKERI'm gonna I'm gonna try and go into my router port forward to this other traffic instance and then basically just go to the

1:10:19SPEAKERComputer I'm gonna make as a web server for that side. Yeah, I might have to look at that cloudflare stuff

1:10:24SPEAKERI had typed a separate bullet point here where I had thought about running the like something like traffic on a like a virtual private

1:10:30SPEAKERServer just a little $5 a month instance and tunneling that to my house

1:10:34SPEAKERSo like wire guard but then I looked at this cloudflare thing you put down and that's basically exactly what they're offering and for free

1:10:40SPEAKERIt sounds like yeah, they have I forget it's zero trust. It's

1:10:45SPEAKERIt's free

1:10:47SPEAKERThey have warp and they have this tunnel thing these these two products

1:10:51SPEAKERI think warp is more like a VPN as far as I understand the tunneling is to kind of forward an external thing into your

1:10:57SPEAKERComputer I think I'm just gonna do old-school DNS record to my IP address and to start and then I'll work work from there

1:11:06SPEAKERThis isn't a huge thing. They're tunneling thing. I

1:11:09SPEAKERForget what it's called, but it might just be called tunnels. I don't think I think they want HTTP and HTTPS traffic

1:11:17SPEAKERI don't think they want UDP or other traffic going over that

1:11:22SPEAKERso I don't know if you're supposed to be using that for games or if they

1:11:26SPEAKERYou know for if you're doing a game server and you have other types of traffic going over there

1:11:30SPEAKERI think they just want the people just call that web track

1:11:32SPEAKERI don't know what the term for that is. But um, I think they they don't want maybe get TCP traffic

1:11:38SPEAKERI don't know enough. I have had to have such a crash course and networking and course and like

1:11:45SPEAKERSorry, I was actually gonna ask you as an aside this is kind of just like a

1:11:49SPEAKERCognitive question like do you find networking to be like the hardest thing in computing because I absolutely do like I like at the at

1:11:54SPEAKERThe level of hardware like building a computer like operating systems like self-contained

1:11:59SPEAKERMonolithic systems. I'm totally fine. The second you have like a bunch of discrete

1:12:04SPEAKERComputers talking to each other over the air or over wires or whatever

1:12:08SPEAKERlike if that's that's where it goes from the concrete to the abstract for me where you're going from one computer to a bunch of

1:12:13SPEAKERcomputers and my brain just starts coming unglued like I just can't keep track of everything once you get to that point like networking just

1:12:19SPEAKERConsistently is like the hardest thing for me to understand

1:12:22SPEAKERI've probably found it to be the most arcane where it's just like oh it to me

1:12:26SPEAKERIt's got a sense of like we don't have a layer of abstraction. You just have to know it's almost like to me feels like oh

1:12:34SPEAKERYou're coding in basic like he or like you're almost in binary at this point

1:12:38SPEAKERlike we you're just looking at it doesn't there's not a lot of

1:12:43SPEAKERSimplification here. It feels like you're just like no this you just need to know the raw materials of network, right?

1:12:49SPEAKERYeah, like I tried to understand what is it the OSI layer model

1:12:53SPEAKERDo you know what I'm talking about the like layer to layer three stuff?

1:12:55SPEAKERLike every time I see like every time I see somebody talk about layer two or layer three networking

1:13:00SPEAKERI have to go look that up and remember what that is. It's like

1:13:03SPEAKERAnd I still only have like the first three like layer one is the physical connection

1:13:07SPEAKERlayer two is the like Ethernet frame level like

1:13:11SPEAKERDigital but still like the medium that it's traveling on. I think the layer three is

1:13:16SPEAKERLike IP, you know like internet traffic

1:13:19SPEAKERYeah, yeah, it goes up to seven

1:13:21SPEAKERI just like you can never keep track of let's see physical layer data link layer network layer transport layer

1:13:26SPEAKERsession layer presentation and application that like the higher level layers are like

1:13:31SPEAKERApplication stuff running on top of the underlying protocol and link I think so

1:13:36SPEAKERI always see like layer four is a corporate firewall or like

1:13:40SPEAKERThat where they're like, that's your corporate proxy and you know

1:13:43SPEAKERYeah, it's just like the different different protocols for traffic. I I've got a better sense of ports

1:13:51SPEAKERports were very mystical to me, but like kind of just seemed

1:13:56SPEAKERAgain, this is very I'm sorry if I'm making people groan, but it just seems like no, it's just doors man

1:14:02SPEAKERDid you just got a lot?

1:14:03SPEAKERYou just got thousands of doors you can choose to open on your thing and some people decided

1:14:08SPEAKERThis is the door to use for this and some people decided this is not

1:14:11SPEAKERLike when I was first getting into it years and years ago

1:14:13SPEAKERAnd again, I don't have a great understanding of it now

1:14:15SPEAKERBut it always seemed like what if I use the wrong port and now it kind of feels like I don't know

1:14:20SPEAKERIs that poor being used? Yeah

1:14:21SPEAKERIt's probably fine. You're probably fine. Just just add a thousand and go up. Yeah, it'll probably be fun

1:14:27SPEAKERright and like, you know, I've I've I don't know why and map or like these it feels like these tools feel the

1:14:36SPEAKERadjacent to like still Windows 98

1:14:39SPEAKERThings that are you're like, I feel like everything I used for networking hasn't been updated

1:14:44SPEAKERMaybe since 3.1. I don't know like they all they all look like the oldest grognard tools

1:14:51SPEAKERAnd if you go pull up like the RFCs, you know

1:14:53SPEAKERThe kind of the paper that they filed to propose a new protocol or you know

1:14:56SPEAKERLike that's how kind of standards get defined for the internet. The dates on those are always like

1:15:00SPEAKER1881. Yeah, like but not all but a huge portion of all the underlying technology

1:15:06SPEAKERWe use on the internet these days is like 40 years old and like in some way

1:15:10SPEAKERLike it makes you really respect the people that came up with that stuff because they built systems that have been

1:15:15SPEAKERResilient for decades and are just like there's no end in sight for them

1:15:18SPEAKERIt's kind of crazy how how how much foresight they had? I still kind of ignore IPv6

1:15:23SPEAKERLike I still I like I I don't I don't mess around with it

1:15:27SPEAKERI don't know if I should be like but like I feel like it never really that that's like in case we run out of

1:15:33SPEAKERInternet addresses right and then yeah, okay

1:15:35SPEAKERyeah, there's I forget how many like quadrillions of possible addresses there are with with IPv6 or something, but like

1:15:42SPEAKERThose addresses are not made for humans to read

1:15:44SPEAKERYeah, so I mostly ignore those and you know the things that I've kind of tried to get a handle on or DNS

1:15:51SPEAKERWhat does that mean?

1:15:54SPEAKERPorts how do they work port forwarding, you know those those types of things

1:16:01SPEAKERLike I'm

1:16:03SPEAKERI'm like a rules person. I like structure. So like I want I always want to know like, okay. What are the conventions for?

1:16:11SPEAKERYour home network, like when should I use 10 10.0, you know, whatever when should I use 192 and when should I use it?

1:16:19SPEAKERWhat is it like?

1:16:21SPEAKER7 or what's the other big convention you see a lot for the for the internal address? Yeah, it's um

1:16:27SPEAKERIt's it's one nine two one seven two

1:16:30SPEAKERI think and ten or the three set aside for like these should be these are these should not be used publicly

1:16:36SPEAKERThese are the internal ones

1:16:37SPEAKERSo like what are best practices should I like I kind of want to I want to play in that like I want to play

1:16:41SPEAKERIn that dress-up game of like oh, I want to be like a fake enterprise when should I use 10 for like my computer?

1:16:47SPEAKERor like

1:16:48SPEAKERYou know should I use when should we use this?

1:16:51SPEAKERand you know, it seems like people are

1:16:54SPEAKERThere are no hard and fast things when I look them up, but I want to make pretend

1:16:57SPEAKERThat's what that's what mostly I'm doing is making pretend but I did set up my vlan stuff recently and I'm slowly pushing stuff over

1:17:05SPEAKERInto different things. I've got my IOT. I've got my security cameras. I've got my

1:17:11SPEAKERVirtual machines. I've got a bunch of stuff, but then you run into weird things where it's like well

1:17:16SPEAKERthis

1:17:18SPEAKERthis

1:17:19SPEAKERRoku or whatever needs to access my Plex server and it's on the iot

1:17:24SPEAKERVlan so does it need to punch through into this other thing?

1:17:28SPEAKERYou know you run into a bunch of stuff or it's like no they actually have this built in it's it's a media protocol

1:17:34SPEAKERIt knows that it this kind of traffic can hit this thing

1:17:38SPEAKERBut it's it's cool and fun

1:17:40SPEAKERAnd I think the thing that you've mentioned a bunch and I mentioned is I do it because I think it's fun

1:17:44SPEAKERI do it because I'm interested in it. It's fun

1:17:48SPEAKERIf all of this stuff if that Proxmox machine exploded tomorrow would I be like maybe I'd miss something from change detection

1:17:56SPEAKERmaybe I wouldn't know exactly when

1:17:58SPEAKERYou know every three hours if this thing is back in stock

1:18:01SPEAKERBut really it's one thing leads to another leads to another and suddenly you've got this silly home lab

1:18:07SPEAKERI don't do any smart home stuff

1:18:10SPEAKERThough maybe I will get into it at some point

1:18:12SPEAKERIt's just for fun home assistant is its own fun rabbit hole to go down. Yeah, I don't do any of it

1:18:19SPEAKERBut I think the other thing that drove me here was

1:18:22SPEAKEREverybody's selling you a thing as a service

1:18:24SPEAKERAnd I wanted to see how many of those services that I would like to try can I run at home like?

1:18:29SPEAKERAnd there is a kind of an amazing amazing

1:18:34SPEAKERTime to do that stuff with

1:18:37SPEAKERconsumer electronics and and people make a very smart people make cool little code bases and share that stuff and

1:18:46SPEAKERWhile there's some danger. There's a lot of cool stuff out there the mess around with and I don't consider myself a super techie person

1:18:53SPEAKERI just am

1:18:55SPEAKERfascinated I love it I love being able to make little gadgets and toys and and and run little servers and mess around with that stuff and

1:19:04SPEAKERFeel like I'm I've got a toe in the water. You know what I mean

1:19:08SPEAKERthe world moves very very fast and

1:19:11SPEAKERI like to at least have a little bit of understanding of how that stuff good

1:19:15SPEAKERI like to be able to watch a fire ship video and understand some of what that guy is talking about

1:19:21SPEAKERYeah, and then at the hobbyist level in hardware and software like it's just there's never been a better time like it's just kind of a

1:19:27SPEAKERGolden age of cool projects out there like there's so much you can learn and do these days

1:19:31SPEAKERYeah

1:19:32SPEAKERand it's all it's all just waiting for you and I think by doing this stuff and and at least having a little

1:19:38SPEAKERBit of a knowledge of it enough to be dangerous. I do feel like I

1:19:43SPEAKERCan smell some of the risks right like am I paranoid?

1:19:48SPEAKERProbably is someone is someone gonna infiltrate my house through my Nvidia shield

1:19:53SPEAKERProbably not or through my TV probably probably not but it's not unheard of

1:20:00SPEAKERStuff happens fucking TVs man TV should not be computers

1:20:04SPEAKERBut like what they are but you know put that thing on its own vlan and then and then it could just talk to the internet

1:20:11SPEAKERI can't can't talk to anybody else right like

1:20:14SPEAKERAnd so like I don't know as everything becomes more and more connected

1:20:18SPEAKERI

1:20:20SPEAKERLike to at least I don't know circle around and same thing with frameworks

1:20:25SPEAKERlike I love being able to just kind of keep up and at least force myself to understand what's happening in that world because my

1:20:32SPEAKERGod does it move fast and is incredibly complicated at this point?

1:20:37SPEAKERand I can stand and and not have to be in it because I don't work in it and I could just

1:20:43SPEAKERSurface level be like oh yeah, that's pretty wild

1:20:46SPEAKERYou you get to decide when the next framework comes out, and you're like you know what I'm good

1:20:49SPEAKERI don't I don't want to learn yet another one you get to be like you know what I'm done

1:20:52SPEAKERI'm done or like be like no, that's cool enough

1:20:55SPEAKERI'm ready to move over or like understand what people are talking about when they're like here's what AI

1:21:01SPEAKERHere are the risks it imposes and here are the benefits it imposes in encoding and here's why it's interesting

1:21:07SPEAKERand here's why it's dangerous or or or something to be of concern and have a

1:21:13SPEAKERmore informed view of some of that stuff like a

1:21:17SPEAKERLike I use copilot on

1:21:19SPEAKERVS code from

1:21:22SPEAKERgit github

1:21:24SPEAKERand

1:21:25SPEAKERSometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it

1:21:27SPEAKERAnd I've it's it's awesome for like mundane tasks of like oh my god. It knows exactly how to do

1:21:34SPEAKERThis commenting it knows because it looks at my code, and it's like yeah

1:21:37SPEAKERThis is what you just wrote in your code and like great my I've never had better comments in my code than with that thing

1:21:43SPEAKERAnd sometimes when I'm writing a function. It's like I'm like dude. That is not what I'm after and that's not what I'm doing here

1:21:49SPEAKERThat's an interesting use for that stuff because like I see a lot of people out there talking about like oh programming is dead like everybody's

1:21:54SPEAKERJust gonna program in natural language meaning. They're just gonna ask the AI to write code for them

1:21:58SPEAKERI hate that because what are you learning? What are you not learning anything from anything from that?

1:22:01SPEAKERYou're just letting the machine do it for you, but what you just described of doing it yourself

1:22:06SPEAKERBut then asking it like hey is this right and of course you're still

1:22:09SPEAKERRelying on it to know what it's talking about and it's not always going to do that

1:22:12SPEAKERBut using it as a using it more as a gut check for what the work you did rather than asking it to do the

1:22:17SPEAKERWork for you is sounds kind of appealing. It's really for repetitive task

1:22:21SPEAKERLike again like you write a block of code, and then you go to put your comment line in it

1:22:25SPEAKERAnd it knows you're making a comment, and it's like this function does this this this is this is this and it's like oh my god

1:22:31SPEAKERI would never take that much time to put comments in my code like that's great. That's exactly what this function does

1:22:36SPEAKERI

1:22:37SPEAKERFind that or or the just mundane task

1:22:39SPEAKERYou're like I gotta write this like case for like all these things and it just knows what you're doing or predicts

1:22:45SPEAKERWhat you're doing I mean there have been predictive text things and tab completion in like VS code and stuff like that before but

1:22:51SPEAKERI find that to be cool to the point where I haven't canceled my subscription like sometimes

1:22:56SPEAKERI'm like I should just cancel this. I don't use it enough, and then I'm like no that's actually really

1:23:01SPEAKERThat's really helpful

1:23:03SPEAKEREven like when you do get commits

1:23:05SPEAKERIt'll be like here's what you're committing

1:23:07SPEAKERAnd it's like and it'll be like I can write the commit line for you because like here's the changes you made and back

1:23:13SPEAKEROh, that's that's pretty fucking useful actually because otherwise I just wrote made update

1:23:18SPEAKERYou know it's like it's like if you were making a game and your patch notes were generated from the work

1:23:24SPEAKERYou did and the and the co-pilot was like well

1:23:26SPEAKERHere's all the stuff you changed I could just generate your patch notes for you Wow and being like instead of being like major updates

1:23:32SPEAKERSend right and nothing. It's perfect, but it's helpful, and I find it helpful there, and you know

1:23:40SPEAKERIn the AI wars maybe I'm a traitor. I don't know

1:23:43SPEAKERAnd put people out of a job

1:23:45SPEAKERLeave that one alone yeah, okay before you go. I've got one more question. Oh, okay great. I got got to pick your brain about audio

1:23:53SPEAKERYes, the most important part of any production

1:23:56SPEAKERI've I've brought this up on the tech pod discord a little and the next liner discord. I've actually asked both sides

1:24:02SPEAKERAbout what kind of box I should buy uh-huh I'm tired of clipping

1:24:06SPEAKERTired of clear like audio clipping of a redlining yeah

1:24:09SPEAKERYes, I'm tired of I'm tired of fiddling with the gain on my audio interface and never getting it exactly right although

1:24:14SPEAKERI actually I think the real answer. There is that there isn't there is no one exactly right correct

1:24:19SPEAKERIt's like none my 25 years of doing it like you might be louder one day or quieter the next like there might be more

1:24:26SPEAKERbackground noise

1:24:27SPEAKERYeah in some situation you might forget and sit too far away like your Windows machine may have just decided to change your your internal

1:24:35SPEAKERSettings on that thing right like like there's no there's no one-size-fits-all setting for when you're doing analog audio

1:24:40SPEAKERI should have stuck to USB microphones, but no no no I shouldn't have no I should this this microphone sounds way way better

1:24:47SPEAKERBut it does come with so many more pitfalls when you're doing like pure analog audio or ways you can screw up

1:24:52SPEAKERYeah, so I've been thinking for a while about just buying a box. Yeah, and putting it in line process

1:24:58SPEAKERYeah, so I got is that the term a processor or something that does like it massages your audio in different ways, right?

1:25:06SPEAKERProcessor and like I guess I started to call it a preamp, but I guess that's like a preamp is potentially part of that

1:25:12SPEAKERBut that's not the name of the box. I wouldn't say a preamp is

1:25:15SPEAKERSpecifically the thing sending juice sending some gain to your ear mic

1:25:19SPEAKERDoing the signal processing. Yeah. Yeah, like a lot of people use the the cloud lifter as just a little inline preamp

1:25:26SPEAKERI've got a Triton Fed head

1:25:27SPEAKERwhich is basically the same thing just sticks in the back of the mic and gives the mic some extra juice, but

1:25:31SPEAKERI'm talking about the for people who know audio the kind of thing that's got like a compressor in it a limiter

1:25:36SPEAKERYeah, like maybe a DS or which makes the S's less sharp

1:25:40SPEAKERYeah and stuff like that's like you're in favor of that kind of thing generally right sticking some hardware in there to kind of

1:25:47SPEAKERWrangle audio in I am I am a I am a I'm a big fan of getting it clean before you go in

1:25:55SPEAKERAnd I am also a big fan of hardware

1:25:58SPEAKERprocessing versus VSTs

1:26:00SPEAKERYes, we're doing it on the computer. So yes, I started to say because hardware can't crash

1:26:05SPEAKERThat's not quite true. But it's a lot less likely than if some random plug-in you found

1:26:09SPEAKERwell, a lot of hardware now is just digital anyway, so like I like look I am like

1:26:14SPEAKERthe one I use the five to eighty is the is

1:26:18SPEAKERtransistors and you know a bunch of

1:26:22SPEAKERphysical components is not pretty much non digital or

1:26:27SPEAKERElectronic in the sense that it's running a circuit board in it at all

1:26:31SPEAKERIt's got processors in there for sure. There are chips in there for sure. But um, you know, there's no LED screen on it

1:26:37SPEAKERI'm not like turning knobs to cycle through a screen. I am I'm a fan of a hardware analog hardware to get in there

1:26:44SPEAKERBut you're not gonna get in a lot harder, but external stuff. No more no more vacuum tubes in here. It's that's silly sadly

1:26:52SPEAKERWhat what what brand is that? Did you say symmetrics?

1:26:55SPEAKERSymmetrics 5280 is that right 52 8e as an elephant Oh 8e. Yeah got it

1:27:03SPEAKERSo yeah, I've been looking around like like one thing the reason I asked if you were into that stuff one thing

1:27:08SPEAKERI run across is like, you know on some audio production subreddit or whatever

1:27:12SPEAKERYou'll find a lot of people saying like no you should

1:27:14SPEAKERRecord as raw as you can and you can just fix it in post

1:27:17SPEAKERAlthough there are some things like clipping you can't just fix right but higher higher bitrate or higher depth

1:27:23SPEAKEROh the like the 32 bit flow. Yeah, like I looked into that for a while and it wasn't clear

1:27:28SPEAKERIt seems like every device in your chain has to support that for that to work the way you want it to I believe

1:27:32SPEAKERThat's my understanding. I don't go 32. Yeah, I don't need you get giant files. Yes, the files are gigantic. But um

1:27:39SPEAKERLike I'm just tired of and people don't usually complain

1:27:42SPEAKERBut I'm just tired of finishing a podcast and looking at the waveform and seeing a bunch of spikes hitting the top of the track

1:27:48SPEAKERYou know, it's just a bad feeling knowing that you're putting out scratchy audio

1:27:52SPEAKERSo I am also leaning away from the people that are just like no just do it raw and fix it

1:27:56SPEAKERLike I kind of just want a hardware net in there

1:27:59SPEAKERYeah, well, there's two different things also

1:28:02SPEAKERlook you and I

1:28:04SPEAKERKind of came up through a live environment, right?

1:28:06SPEAKERLike I am mostly in live audio my experience is mostly in live audio production, right and you can't fix it

1:28:13SPEAKERYes in post there you need to be clean on the way in and clean on the way out

1:28:18SPEAKERAnd there's not a lot of room in post. There is no post really

1:28:21SPEAKERI mean you need to be live so that's where a lot of the hardware stuff I come into and again

1:28:26SPEAKERI know a lot of or not a lot

1:28:27SPEAKERI know a few audio producers and they they love their VSTs and then they swear by him and they have them all in Pro Tools

1:28:33SPEAKERAnd they got their big big rigs over there

1:28:36SPEAKERI was I've mostly hardware focus because we had the budget for it and you know VSTs can be expensive

1:28:42SPEAKERBut you know, they're up to like VST three. I think now it's you know, they figured it out

1:28:46SPEAKERThere's they used to be big memory hogs and and they kind of crash if you're recording session

1:28:53SPEAKERAnd have trouble but I mean what you're looking for is a compressor to take some of the to pull you back down, right?

1:29:01SPEAKERYou have an expander to pull you back up

1:29:04SPEAKERAnd then you have like you said I think DS errs and that stuff that are not as important

1:29:10SPEAKERReally the the kind of a compressor and a gate I think and you know

1:29:16SPEAKERMy my expander I've got a gate on the bottom

1:29:20SPEAKERWhich is the thing I love so that when I stop talking you can't hear anything

1:29:26SPEAKERAnything that doesn't break the noise floor and I ping mouse clicks typing mouse clicks humidifiers

1:29:32SPEAKERdehumidifiers

1:29:34SPEAKERbackground noise

1:29:36SPEAKERWindow noise like that's a big one for me now when you break when I talk and I break the gates

1:29:41SPEAKERThen you're gonna hear that stuff and I mean all of this is a balancing act

1:29:44SPEAKERI mean you you turn the gain up on your microphone so that you can be further away from it

1:29:50SPEAKERYou turn it down. I mean, that's the presence on the microphone and that's the bubble of stuff

1:29:53SPEAKERIt's gonna pick up around you and then you have your volume, which is just making that louder or lower

1:30:00SPEAKERBut I I think you should just go pick up a compressor or a box that does it that Barringer DBX

1:30:06SPEAKERIs that what is the DB?

1:30:07SPEAKERWe'll see DBX is a separate company. I looked at a Barringer. I can't remember the the model number

1:30:14SPEAKERI was not familiar with DBX, but they're

1:30:18SPEAKERHow long they've been around 1971 like the DB they're part of they're part of Samsung

1:30:22SPEAKERI'm sorry DBX is a Samsung company. Those are the ones I've seen in racks a lot the Barringer one

1:30:27SPEAKERYou know say what you will about Barringer and plenty of people have but their stuff seems fine cheaper and fine. Okay

1:30:35SPEAKERYeah, I was looking at the the DBX 286 s is what a lot of people have recommended on like both discords actually brought up

1:30:41SPEAKERAnd what what is that? And that's a that's a compressor and a gate on there. Yeah compressor gate DSR

1:30:47SPEAKERNo EQ, right? I don't believe uh, I'd have to look it up. I think it had some amount of

1:30:55SPEAKERThis is an expander considered EQ

1:30:59SPEAKERExpander would be part I would put that in with the compressor

1:31:02SPEAKERChain over there. I'm not sure if it does any I don't think it does any real

1:31:07SPEAKERIt's enhancer increases the detail and definition of the high and low frequencies. That's probably not that's probably not real true EQ. Yeah

1:31:15SPEAKERYeah, that's doing some some business on it some some magic touch on it. So yeah, like I

1:31:21SPEAKERCompressed on a gate will get you real far. I do like an expander if it's there or a

1:31:26SPEAKERNoise floor gate. I forgot exactly what they're called

1:31:29SPEAKERSome people sometimes they called things different different things in different models, which can be confusing

1:31:36SPEAKERSo yeah for live audio

1:31:37SPEAKERI run my audio through that 5 to 80 and then on v-mix actually have some VSTs running

1:31:44SPEAKERThat is a I've got one that cleans the noise. It just cleans the noise out of everyone's signal

1:31:50SPEAKERSo it tries to get rid of background noise. That's a plug-in

1:31:53SPEAKERI've got one that is a live leveling that will try to keep everyone consistent

1:31:58SPEAKERThere's a compressor on it

1:32:00SPEAKERThere is a gate on it. There's a decent amount running on that and then when I do

1:32:06SPEAKERPodcasts like the you got you and Alex both have very clean audio generally

1:32:11SPEAKERWhen I do stuff that has a bunch of guests that I can't you know have less control over I do run

1:32:18SPEAKERSome some cleanup on their audio that could sort of background noise and again under the AI model quote-unquote, you know

1:32:25SPEAKERIt's not like a large language model or generative model, but it does try to

1:32:31SPEAKERfingerprint the

1:32:32SPEAKERAudio and just pull out the voice from it and some of that stuff. Let's have work one of the best D reverbs

1:32:39SPEAKERI've ever seen has come out and it actually works without making the audio sound like crap where people

1:32:45SPEAKERSound really echoey or reverb II and it brings that presence right back

1:32:50SPEAKERMakes the stress of that go right away. Yeah, that's that's that's an example of the good AI to me the signal processing AI

1:32:56SPEAKERThat's just that's just analyzing a waveform. Yeah something intelligent to it

1:33:00SPEAKERYeah, AI like I don't know is like lowercase AI. I don't know what like how we differentiate those at this point

1:33:06SPEAKERLet's just call that machine learning. Sure. Yeah, I feel like that makes the point because that's what it actually is

1:33:11SPEAKEROkay, cool. I will get back to shopping for one of those boxes cuz I I apologize all for all the take a couple hundred

1:33:17SPEAKERBucks. Yeah, that's that's all it is. I didn't course

1:33:20SPEAKERHere's the real thing. They're all rack mountable

1:33:23SPEAKERRack, so I got to find a place to put a rack mount size box in here

1:33:27SPEAKERBut I should get one of those cuz I am I am tired of putting out audio where I'm clipping cuz that's that's just that's just

1:33:32SPEAKERunprofessional you should uh, I have I have a like a

1:33:37SPEAKERSilly amount of audio devices. I I've got three Dax on my desk right now for for everything

1:33:44SPEAKERSounds like a whole other podcast

1:33:45SPEAKERmy three Dax

1:33:50SPEAKERAll right, we'll file that one away

1:33:52SPEAKERBut yeah, like I've still had this M audio mobile pre which I don't even think you could every time I find drivers

1:34:00SPEAKERThey're for like Windows XP. Oh, yeah, like it's it's old but I still use it because it has the lowest latency

1:34:06SPEAKERI'm like a big

1:34:08SPEAKERChasing latency then I have this like focus, right?

1:34:11SPEAKERClaret Pro or something and the latency even when I try to tune the buffer size on it the latency always sucks on it

1:34:17SPEAKERAnd so it's one of those things where I want I'm editing something

1:34:20SPEAKERI want as low a latency with you know, again, it's this buffer size thing that you always have to fight against

1:34:25SPEAKERThis is why I don't like digital stuff and it's like oh if I see the waveform

1:34:30SPEAKERI want to hear what I'm seeing immediately. I want one-to-one or as close as possible

1:34:34SPEAKERI don't want it to be a millisecond off when I'm editing audio. It drives me bananas. Yep

1:34:41SPEAKERYeah, get yourself a compressor. Yeah last thing I'll say we'll talk about this offline

1:34:45SPEAKERM audio mobile pre you said yeah, I have I have one of those in the closet actually. Yeah

1:34:51SPEAKERMy old roommate gave it to me like 15 years ago. Is it is it the vertical standing one?

1:34:56SPEAKERLike the white one is the gray box. It's the horizontal gray box. That's kind of curved on the top

1:35:00SPEAKERDoes that four knobs on it? I'd have to pull it out. I don't know but that seems possible

1:35:06SPEAKEROkay, let's I mean like I've had this one for like 20 years

1:35:10SPEAKERMaybe I should get that thing out if I can find that you've got the little you've got the line on the drivers

1:35:14SPEAKERI guess that that's my main one. That's not that's my like that's my one I go to when I want it to work

1:35:20SPEAKERThat's what I'm using right now

1:35:21SPEAKEROkay

1:35:22SPEAKERthe the Beringer one I have is what I use on the vMix machine when I don't care as much about latency and

1:35:28SPEAKERThe focus right is the one I had the most problems with actually in terms of getting working

1:35:33SPEAKERbut I use that kind of more as a distribution thing, but

1:35:37SPEAKERYeah, no that M audio. I think they were bought by somebody at some points

1:35:41SPEAKERThey changed hands a bunch. I don't know but yeah, it's a it's a good little box

1:35:45SPEAKERYeah, take that thing out of the closet. I'm always afraid it's gonna explode. I have they built them to last back then

1:35:50SPEAKERI hope so because I don't think I'm getting a new one of those. Nope

1:35:55SPEAKERAll right. Well on that note, I think we'll wrap it up here. I hope I hope thank you so much for being here

1:36:00SPEAKERI hope this has been a fun outlet - yeah, maybe this will purge some of that from the ramble cast

1:36:05SPEAKERfeel and and

1:36:07SPEAKERAnybody who knows feel free to reach out to me on on the tech pod discord or or not

1:36:13SPEAKERTo let me know what excellent or discord. Yeah or next line of discord

1:36:18SPEAKERTo let me know what I'm doing right or wrong

1:36:20SPEAKERAgain, I claim no

1:36:23SPEAKERNo

1:36:24SPEAKERKnowledge of especially the networking stuff and and and all of the home lab hobbyist stuff there

1:36:30SPEAKERSo if you have any ideas or like oh, you're sounds like you've got it on the right track or like new be more careful

1:36:36SPEAKERYeah, I think I'll say for both both discords the least judgmental technical crowd

1:36:40SPEAKERI have ever seen great people are just cool about giving advice and not telling you you're wrong and so forth

1:36:46SPEAKERYeah, and I think I'll just say for my sake is I'm doing it for fun

1:36:51SPEAKERlike do I like if your answer is why are you doing this and it's like or is it your question is why are you

1:36:56SPEAKERDoing this just pays your five dollars to railway and have them host

1:36:59SPEAKERThey'd be like I'm doing because I think it's fun should always be understood. Yeah the actual answer

1:37:05SPEAKERVinny is there anything you'd like to plug?

1:37:08SPEAKERI've got a book club started now

1:37:11SPEAKEROf course, there's next Lander where you can go to

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1:37:51SPEAKERI think next week at some point bunch of stuff fun stuff patreon.com slash next Lander biggest thing is just can't do it without your

1:37:58SPEAKERSupport that's true. That's very true

1:38:00SPEAKERAlso, you know endless video game stuff streams our main podcast full video game talk

1:38:05SPEAKERYep, sometimes you get some tech talk on that ramble cast occasionally

1:38:09SPEAKERYeah, you want to hear the latest and great you want to hear the follow-up to this?

1:38:14SPEAKERWhere I viddies home lab is on fire. There will probably be talked about on a ramble cast somewhere

1:38:21SPEAKERHopefully we never have with that combo fire and flood episode to test your my resilience backup strategy. Yeah fingers crossed

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