254: How to Hide Your Sardine Bricks

00:00SPEAKER- I realized something neat yesterday, Brad.

00:02SPEAKER- Oh, I like things that are neat.

00:04SPEAKER- I, my kid, my daughter,

00:06SPEAKERwhen she loads up like the Switch old console emulation apps

00:11SPEAKERor like we fire up the mister or something like that,

00:14SPEAKERshe has this experience that I've never had.

00:16SPEAKERShe's presented with a bazillion games, old games,

00:22SPEAKERand all she has to go by whether she wants to play them

00:24SPEAKERis maybe a thumbnail or a name.

00:27SPEAKERSo like, you and I know that RC Pro-Am is a game

00:30SPEAKERwhat rips on the NES, but she's sitting there

00:33SPEAKERand she's looking at a thousand things.

00:34SPEAKERShe's like, man, maybe I should try gumshoe.

00:36SPEAKERAnd it's-

00:37SPEAKER- Maybe she should try gumshoe.

00:39SPEAKER- I like gum and why are the shoes and the gum together?

00:42SPEAKERThat makes no sense to me, right?

00:44SPEAKERIt's a weird experience that like we never have,

00:47SPEAKER'cause we have like, we have memories,

00:48SPEAKEReven of like consoles I didn't have,

00:50SPEAKERI have memories of the games that were there.

00:51SPEAKERLike I know that like Alex Kidd is a cool game on a console

00:55SPEAKERthat I never owned as a child.

00:57SPEAKER- Well, Alex, some might say Alex Kidd is cool.

01:00SPEAKERSome might say something different.

01:02SPEAKER- It's no Majora's Mask, okay?

01:04SPEAKERThe point is UFO 50 came out a couple of weeks ago

01:07SPEAKERand I was playing with it last night.

01:09SPEAKER- Oh, okay, I see where this is going.

01:10SPEAKER- And I got that experience for the first time.

01:13SPEAKER'Cause I have this menu,

01:14SPEAKERit's just a bunch of pictures and names.

01:16SPEAKERAnd I'm like looking at a little bit of pixel art

01:18SPEAKERand I'm like, this one looks cool, it has a spaceship on it.

01:20SPEAKERLet's try it and see what it's like.

01:21SPEAKER- Did you bounce around?

01:22SPEAKERLike that's the temptation.

01:23SPEAKERLike when I saw it at Summer Game Fest,

01:25SPEAKERthat's absolutely what I did.

01:26SPEAKERI had 10 minutes to play it and they were like,

01:27SPEAKERI'll just fire up whatever you think looks good.

01:29SPEAKERBut then when it came out, I was like,

01:32SPEAKERthere's a little bit of a meta narrative to this,

01:34SPEAKERlike barely around the edges

01:35SPEAKERof this like kind of fictional video game company

01:37SPEAKERand fictional set of home computers.

01:39SPEAKERI was like, what if I go through this chronologically

01:42SPEAKERand see how they tried to reconstruct the phenomenon

01:45SPEAKERof a developer getting better at the hardware over time?

01:48SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

01:48SPEAKER- So my rule is that I don't play a sequel

01:52SPEAKERbefore I play the original.

01:53SPEAKERBut other than that,

01:54SPEAKERI'm just bouncing around picking pictures I like.

01:56SPEAKER- Okay, that's the sensible way to go.

01:59SPEAKER- Yeah, there's some real bangers in there, man.

02:02SPEAKERThat thing is really neat.

02:03SPEAKERThere's like the one with the spaceship

02:06SPEAKERthat goes on the edges that like you bounce up and down

02:10SPEAKERfrom the top and bottom of the side scroller map

02:12SPEAKERkind of is incredible.

02:14SPEAKERLike there's, anyway, it's a neat thing.

02:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just a cool exercise in game design,

02:18SPEAKERlike to fictionalize a platform and then just say like,

02:21SPEAKERhey, we're going to make both the technology

02:24SPEAKERand the design philosophy of these games

02:26SPEAKERlike evolve sensibly as if this had been 10 years

02:29SPEAKERof real video game development.

02:30SPEAKERLike that very first game, Barbuda, Barbuda.

02:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

02:34SPEAKER- There's like a weird community forming around that game

02:37SPEAKERbecause it's so, I know this is very cliched,

02:39SPEAKERbut it's kind of Dark Souls-y

02:40SPEAKERin the way that it tells you nothing

02:41SPEAKERand you really have to like fight against it

02:43SPEAKERto figure out what is going on.

02:45SPEAKERIt's a dungeon crawler type game.

02:47SPEAKERLike I see, I've seen people out there say that like,

02:50SPEAKERoh, Barbuda is like my game of the year.

02:52SPEAKERThat's game of the year material.

02:53SPEAKERAnd I think they might actually be serious.

02:55SPEAKER- Honestly, I haven't gotten that far into any one game,

02:58SPEAKERI guess, at this point,

03:00SPEAKERbut it runs really good on the Steam Deck, which is nice.

03:03SPEAKER'Cause like, we've been going through some stuff here

03:07SPEAKERin the Smith household and the ability to just pick it up

03:11SPEAKERand play something for like five minutes

03:13SPEAKERhas been really nice when I have five or 10 minutes

03:15SPEAKERand I want to try something.

03:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:18SPEAKER- But the next thing to do is to load,

03:21SPEAKERI might do this on a stream with the kiddo,

03:23SPEAKERis to load it up and,

03:24SPEAKER'cause a lot of them are like two player games too.

03:26SPEAKER- Yep.

03:27SPEAKER- And like, I want to dig in more

03:30SPEAKERand play some more of those games.

03:31SPEAKERAnyway, UFO 50 is cool, you should try it.

03:34SPEAKER- Finally, the promise of a 50 in one cartridge

03:36SPEAKERhas been fulfilled.

03:37SPEAKER(upbeat music)

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04:05SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.

04:08SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.

04:09SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.

04:10SPEAKERIt seems like a minute since I've done this.

04:11SPEAKERThank you for getting Vinnie on the show last week.

04:13SPEAKERI enjoyed listening as a listener

04:14SPEAKERinstead of a maker of the show.

04:18SPEAKERGod, we had so much we didn't even get to.

04:20SPEAKER- You, like, look, I'm gonna go and tell you,

04:22SPEAKERthe audio stuff, fascinating about how he has all that stuff

04:25SPEAKERset up to pipe, 'cause like the thing that you do over there

04:29SPEAKERis you make it look easy

04:31SPEAKERand it is not a trivial amount of work.

04:33SPEAKER- No, audio, I think he said it in there,

04:34SPEAKERlike audio, the way he put it was like,

04:36SPEAKERit's the most important part of any production, I think,

04:39SPEAKERis how he said it.

04:40SPEAKER'Cause like the other maxim has always been like,

04:42SPEAKERpeople will forgive bad most other things,

04:44SPEAKERthey'll forgive bad video or whatever,

04:46SPEAKERthey will not forgive bad audio.

04:47SPEAKER- No, like as a dilettante shade tree streamer,

04:53SPEAKERI know that when my audio is bad,

04:55SPEAKERI often can tell that something's jacked up with the audio

04:58SPEAKERbecause my number goes down instead of up.

05:01SPEAKERThat is one of the surefire ways to make people like dip in,

05:04SPEAKERthey listen to you for two seconds and they're like,

05:05SPEAKERoh, fuck, no, I'm not doing this, this is terrible.

05:07SPEAKER- Yep, yep, I gotta get that processor, I gotta get a box.

05:11SPEAKER- Yeah, the box, getting the box

05:13SPEAKERthat does the difficult stuff

05:16SPEAKERand also lets you be excited is pretty important, I think.

05:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I think my favorite thing about having this big,

05:23SPEAKERI hesitate to use the word professional setup here,

05:24SPEAKER'cause I don't wanna say that I've reached that tier,

05:27SPEAKERbut you know what I mean, it's-

05:28SPEAKER- I think you're safe to say that you're a professional,

05:30SPEAKERBrad, I think.

05:31SPEAKER- It's reasonably professional audio gear.

05:33SPEAKERMy favorite thing is having this setup,

05:35SPEAKERand especially if I get that processor

05:36SPEAKERand I'm just gonna sound even better,

05:38SPEAKERI'm gonna have even more presence.

05:40SPEAKERAnd then taking that setup and joining like an online game

05:43SPEAKERwith my college friends who just like plug in

05:44SPEAKERtheir Astro headset, you know what I mean?

05:47SPEAKERAnd it's like, people see that microphone

05:49SPEAKERon the video call and they're like, huh.

05:51SPEAKER- So having done a lot of calls,

05:54SPEAKERlike a lot of professional Zooms

05:56SPEAKERwhere my microphone is poking up from the bottom

05:58SPEAKERlike it is right now, you get a lot of,

06:02SPEAKERthere's a lot of executives who just go out

06:05SPEAKERand buy the microphone, what all the streamers use.

06:08SPEAKERLike then you see a lot of Shure, what's the-

06:11SPEAKER- SM7B is the popular Shure.

06:14SPEAKER- Yeah, you see a lot of SM7Bs,

06:16SPEAKERyou see a lot of electro voice, electro voice tips.

06:20SPEAKER- RE20.

06:23SPEAKER- But then you also see a lot of people

06:25SPEAKERwho don't know how to set that stuff up right

06:27SPEAKERand they sound kind of merely okay.

06:29SPEAKER- When you get into analog recording,

06:31SPEAKERwhen you're going through XLR and not USB,

06:34SPEAKERgetting the microphone is just the beginning.

06:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's, but the thing I love most

06:38SPEAKERis just being able to walk in and hit the button

06:40SPEAKERand turn on the stream machine and be up and running

06:42SPEAKERin about five minutes, like that is powerful and good.

06:47SPEAKERAnd I absolutely never use it 'cause I don't have,

06:50SPEAKERI feel like Twitch streams want more block,

06:54SPEAKERlike they want a two hour block minimum.

06:57SPEAKERSo I don't do it unless I have two hours to spend.

07:00SPEAKER- Sure.

07:00SPEAKER- Anyway.

07:01SPEAKER- If I get, real quick, if I get that box,

07:04SPEAKERI was looking at the DBX 286S,

07:06SPEAKERthat's what people on both Discords recommended,

07:09SPEAKERthat's sort of one of the things.

07:10SPEAKER- Yeah, the 286S, yeah, of course.

07:11SPEAKER- Things like that, I think draws like 15 Watts.

07:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

07:15SPEAKER- Think about, I was thinking about

07:16SPEAKERputting it on a smart plug.

07:16SPEAKER- Oh, that's interesting.

07:17SPEAKER- It's gonna be under my desk,

07:18SPEAKERit's not gonna be accessible

07:19SPEAKERand it doesn't have a power switch on it.

07:20SPEAKERSo I was thinking about just putting it on a smart plug

07:22SPEAKERand putting on a hooking.

07:23SPEAKERAnd I assume you can hook home assistant

07:25SPEAKERto your stream deck easily enough, right?

07:26SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's like I, look,

07:28SPEAKERI just hit home assistant right there.

07:31SPEAKERThere's home assistant again.

07:32SPEAKER- All right, I gotta do that.

07:33SPEAKERThat's just, that just seems useful in general.

07:35SPEAKERBut beyond that, like I could just hit a button

07:37SPEAKERto turn on the processor whenever I'm ready to record.

07:40SPEAKER- That is true.

07:41SPEAKER- And not have to leave it on.

07:43SPEAKERI don't know, maybe it doesn't draw a lot of power

07:44SPEAKERwhen there's-

07:45SPEAKER- Oh, it's only gonna be in your recording chain.

07:46SPEAKERSo it's only when you're doing your video

07:48SPEAKERor a stream or calls, yeah.

07:50SPEAKER- It only needs to be on when the microphone is in use.

07:53SPEAKER- I wonder how much power my XR18's drawing

07:55SPEAKERthat I leave on 24 hours a day, seven days a week

07:57SPEAKERfor the last six years.

07:59SPEAKER- Oh yeah, like that was just in the specs.

08:00SPEAKERIt just said 15 Watt consumption in the specs.

08:02SPEAKERBut is that only when it's doing things?

08:04SPEAKERLike if there's no audio running through it,

08:05SPEAKERis it kind of idling at a lower power?

08:08SPEAKERI don't know.

08:08SPEAKER- Well, mine, the audio is always running through it, Brad.

08:10SPEAKER- Mm-hmm, all right, well,

08:12SPEAKERI don't like to live that dangerously, but anyway.

08:15SPEAKER- Hey, you know what day it is?

08:18SPEAKER- Friday?

08:19SPEAKER- It is Friday, it's Friday at eight o'clock

08:21SPEAKERas we often record.

08:23SPEAKERIt is the week what we turn Q's into A's.

08:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it sure is.

08:28SPEAKER- So if you have a question, you can go,

08:31SPEAKERyou can send an email to techpod@content.hound.

08:33SPEAKERWe had an incredible crop of both questions

08:35SPEAKERand Discord Q's this month.

08:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we could probably do two episodes

08:38SPEAKERwith all this.

08:39SPEAKER- Yeah, if you're in the Patreon Discord,

08:42SPEAKERyou can go to the Q's seeking A's

08:44SPEAKERto your question seeking answers channel

08:46SPEAKERand post your Q there and we'll turn it into an A

08:48SPEAKERmaybe next time we pull the thing.

08:50SPEAKERThey go away when you post them in there, so.

08:52SPEAKER- That's right.

08:53SPEAKER- But then it's not secure.

08:54SPEAKERSo like don't post any private stuff in there

08:56SPEAKERthat you don't want us to see.

08:57SPEAKERSend that to, don't want other users to see attached to you

09:00SPEAKERif you want to post something anonymous,

09:02SPEAKERpost anonymous stuff to the email.

09:04SPEAKER- I started to say it's like dropping a penny down to wealth

09:06SPEAKERbut I guess for the analogy to hold,

09:08SPEAKERit's like dropping a penny down a well,

09:10SPEAKERexcept anybody else who is also standing around the well

09:12SPEAKERat the moment will just see the penny hanging in the air

09:14SPEAKERuntil they all walk away and only then will it drop.

09:16SPEAKER- Yeah, the penny floats in space

09:18SPEAKERand you can see what year it was

09:19SPEAKERand the defining characteristics.

09:22SPEAKERI saw a bummer of a story the other day

09:25SPEAKERabout one of the water holes,

09:30SPEAKERI don't know what they're called, in Yellowstone

09:33SPEAKERthat the water used to be like a really brilliant blue

09:36SPEAKERand it's changed color because of all the coins

09:38SPEAKERthat people have chucked into it in the last hundred years.

09:41SPEAKERMore like in the olden days before people knew

09:45SPEAKERthat Yellowstone holes weren't just trash holes waiting for,

09:50SPEAKERyeah, 'cause people have been going to the elephant

09:51SPEAKERsince the 1800s and before.

09:54SPEAKERAnyway, should we do a queue?

09:56SPEAKERShould we turn some queues into days?

09:58SPEAKER- Yes, shall I start with the emails?

10:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:01SPEAKER- All right, you bolded this one right at the top

10:03SPEAKERso I'm just gonna read it from John.

10:06SPEAKERI've been considering changing to Kagi search

10:09SPEAKERto try and get better and more accurate search results.

10:12SPEAKERHave you guys considered making a change

10:13SPEAKERfrom whatever you use, Google I assume, to an alternative?

10:17SPEAKERI know some people who flipped to DuckDuckGo for a while

10:19SPEAKERbut eventually quit.

10:21SPEAKERI don't know anyone who uses another search engine.

10:24SPEAKERWhat would it take for you to make a change?

10:25SPEAKERWould you make the change?

10:27SPEAKERHave you tried an alternative and if so, how did it go?

10:30SPEAKERP.S., don't have to talk about any search engines,

10:31SPEAKERspecifically Kagi is just the one I hear about the most.

10:34SPEAKER- So Kagi is having a little bit of a moment

10:38SPEAKERamong the nerds.

10:40SPEAKER- Is that the one you alluded months ago

10:42SPEAKERto maybe switching to a secret search engine

10:44SPEAKERand never told me which one?

10:46SPEAKERIs that the one?

10:46SPEAKER- Yeah, so I used that for a while.

10:48SPEAKERI too was one of the people that went to DuckDuckGo

10:51SPEAKERfor a while and then I realized it was just a reskin of Bing

10:54SPEAKERand was like, oh, Bing is still bad.

10:56SPEAKER- Oh, are they just licensing Microsoft search?

10:59SPEAKER- For a long time they were licensing Bing.

11:00SPEAKERThey might not be anymore, but also it wasn't very good.

11:04SPEAKERAnd then Google got a lot worse all of a sudden.

11:07SPEAKERSo maybe it's good again.

11:08SPEAKERI don't know.

11:10SPEAKERI tried Kagi.

11:11SPEAKERI did like three months on Kagi on my mobile devices.

11:14SPEAKERAnd honestly, the search results were really good.

11:18SPEAKERYou have to pay if you go beyond,

11:20SPEAKERI think 300 queries a month.

11:23SPEAKERThe person who owns it has some kind

11:24SPEAKERof questionable politics.

11:27SPEAKERAnd the big thing is that because it's paid,

11:32SPEAKERthere's some authorization,

11:34SPEAKERwhich means that like getting the default search

11:37SPEAKERin your browser and on your devices working right,

11:40SPEAKERrequired jumping through more hoops than I was willing to do.

11:43SPEAKERSo that was like, it wasn't like I could just log in

11:49SPEAKERon the browser on the phone and it would use that by default.

11:52SPEAKERIt was a little janky, but it's good.

11:56SPEAKERI definitely dip in and use it occasionally

11:59SPEAKERwhen I have something that I actually need complicated,

12:01SPEAKERlike it's become the place I go

12:03SPEAKERfor complicated search results.

12:05SPEAKERSo if I'm looking for, how do I do something

12:09SPEAKERthat's gonna have a lot of spam?

12:10SPEAKERIt's fantastic for that.

12:12SPEAKEROr if you want like best products,

12:14SPEAKERit's really good at that because they're anti-spam

12:19SPEAKERis seems much better than what Google's doing these days.

12:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I've heard being is not terrible these days.

12:25SPEAKERI don't know if that's just commentary

12:26SPEAKERon the quality of their search results or what.

12:29SPEAKER- I get, like the first thing I do

12:32SPEAKERwhen I get a new Windows install

12:33SPEAKERis turn off the Bing results in the start menu.

12:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

12:37SPEAKER- I don't know.

12:38SPEAKERI find Bing to be, it's really good at some categories,

12:43SPEAKERlike searching Microsoft knowledge bases, great resource.

12:46SPEAKERSearching literally anything else I've ever searched for.

12:49SPEAKERI think even the bad Google results are better,

12:51SPEAKERbut Google has gotten really kind of crappy

12:53SPEAKERin the last year or so.

12:55SPEAKERMaybe the lines have crossed finally.

12:58SPEAKER- Have you read any of, well,

13:00SPEAKERI started saying like any of those exposes

13:02SPEAKERon why things have gotten bad at Google,

13:03SPEAKERbut I really think it was just one.

13:04SPEAKERI forget who wrote it,

13:05SPEAKERbut somebody wrote a big piece

13:07SPEAKERabout why search has gotten so bad there

13:09SPEAKERand only how the corporate culture has changed and stuff.

13:12SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I know,

13:15SPEAKERlike I personally know a bunch of the people

13:16SPEAKERwho worked on like the web safety,

13:19SPEAKERwhich meant like the search results integrity basically team

13:22SPEAKERfor the first 10 years of Google.

13:25SPEAKERAnd I know like what a toll it took on him

13:28SPEAKERand how much time and like how seriously they took that.

13:32SPEAKERAnd it feels very much like the,

13:35SPEAKERand also I know that it made him probably a pain in the ass

13:37SPEAKERin the corporate structure, right?

13:39SPEAKER'Cause like it was not just the search results integrity,

13:42SPEAKERthe feeling I had, and I don't know if this is true or not,

13:44SPEAKERbut the feeling I had was that it wasn't just,

13:47SPEAKERhey, we got to keep spam out.

13:48SPEAKERIt was also, hey, we shouldn't charge

13:51SPEAKERfor too much placement for shit in these results

13:53SPEAKER'cause the results are the business.

13:55SPEAKERThe results are the thing that we're making the people use.

13:58SPEAKERAnd if we make that bad, people will stop using it.

14:01SPEAKERAnd I feel like there probably hasn't been a person

14:05SPEAKERwho has that role in a long time now

14:09SPEAKERor who has the like the lift in the company to say,

14:12SPEAKERhey, we're fucking up the core business.

14:14SPEAKERWe shouldn't stop doing this.

14:15SPEAKER- Yeah. - I don't know.

14:16SPEAKER- It's gonna be an interesting experiment.

14:18SPEAKERSee somebody with that level

14:21SPEAKERof unquestioned market dominance

14:22SPEAKERjust flying that close to the sun

14:24SPEAKERand will their business survive?

14:26SPEAKERI mean, will it survive?

14:26SPEAKERYes, like Google's probably not gonna go away tomorrow,

14:29SPEAKERbut will they take a hit maybe?

14:30SPEAKER- Well, I mean, we see it on a bunch of,

14:32SPEAKERlike Amazon does it too.

14:33SPEAKERAmazon's businesses are arguably selling stuff to people

14:37SPEAKERand like a large portion of their business

14:40SPEAKERis opening third-party stores that sell counterfeit shit

14:43SPEAKERand just absolutely scam stuff.

14:46SPEAKERSo that's probably the best example I can think of.

14:49SPEAKERLike I go out of my way not to order most things

14:52SPEAKERfrom Amazon these days,

14:53SPEAKERunless it's something that's not easily counterfeited

14:55SPEAKERor tampered with.

14:56SPEAKERBut especially any like electronics device,

14:58SPEAKERabsolutely not.

14:59SPEAKERLike anything I need to be new in box

15:02SPEAKERthat is like work gear or any kind of computing stuff,

15:04SPEAKERI go to like a, I go to a B&H

15:06SPEAKERor I order straight from the manufacturer if I can,

15:09SPEAKERlike somebody that I know is not gonna,

15:11SPEAKERyou know, it's just the wild west over there.

15:14SPEAKERAll right, how about another email from Dave in Sheffield?

15:20SPEAKERWhen I first got a five gigahertz capable router

15:22SPEAKERand access point, I purposely set up the frequency bands

15:24SPEAKERwith different SSIDs purely so that I'd be able

15:27SPEAKERto configure some of my devices

15:29SPEAKERto use the new high-speed radio

15:30SPEAKERand leave all of my wife's devices continuing

15:33SPEAKERto just clutter up the 2.4 gigahertz

15:35SPEAKERand leave my devices with room to breathe.

15:37SPEAKERI figure this is just a perk

15:40SPEAKERof being the in-house network admin, or is it a dick move?

15:44SPEAKERYes, generally I fucking hate Wi-Fi,

15:46SPEAKERso I'm a big proponent of a big, cheap roll

15:48SPEAKERof Cat6e and command cable clips,

15:51SPEAKERor in my last house, UV-resistant cable run externally

15:54SPEAKERbetween the two floors of the house.

15:57SPEAKER- Dave, I got bad news for you, buddy.

15:58SPEAKER- Uh-oh. (laughs)

16:00SPEAKER- I think you might be the asshole here.

16:03SPEAKERSo, okay, we've all had this thought, right?

16:06SPEAKERYou're like, "Oh, you know, we can just put the good stuff

16:09SPEAKER"on the good one," and when five gigahertz was new,

16:13SPEAKERI did do separate five gigahertz,

16:15SPEAKERand I only put the stuff that actually would use the speed

16:18SPEAKERon the five gigahertz, not necessarily gating it by user.

16:24SPEAKERAlso, if you're using Cat6e in all the places that matter,

16:29SPEAKERthere's probably, like probably the stuff you have on Wi-Fi

16:32SPEAKERisn't going to really, like, yeah, no, just don't do this.

16:36SPEAKERThis is a bad idea.

16:38SPEAKERAlso, if she finds out, she's gonna be pissed.

16:40SPEAKEREven if she doesn't use it or need it,

16:41SPEAKERshe's gonna be upset with you, rightly so,

16:44SPEAKER'cause you're degrading her service

16:46SPEAKERso your service can be better.

16:47SPEAKERDon't do this, Dave.

16:48SPEAKER- Yeah, or just don't let on

16:50SPEAKERthat you know what's going on, I guess.

16:52SPEAKER- Look, if you're- - It's a little bit of a move

16:53SPEAKERwith our internet providers, just terrible, isn't it?

16:55SPEAKER- If you're a competent home sysadmin,

16:57SPEAKERthen they're not gonna believe you when you try to be like,

17:00SPEAKER"Oh, I didn't know you were on this shit one, honey.

17:02SPEAKER"They're both about the same."

17:04SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.

17:05SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I accidentally bought my wife one time

17:08SPEAKERwhen we went camping.

17:09SPEAKERI had a headlamp that I really liked,

17:11SPEAKERand I was like, "I'm gonna get you a headlamp

17:12SPEAKER"so when we go camping, you get it."

17:14SPEAKERAnd the one that I had was the one nicer

17:17SPEAKERthan the one that I got her by accident.

17:20SPEAKERLike, I didn't realize, I thought I had the cheap one,

17:22SPEAKERand I had the $30 one instead of the $20 one,

17:24SPEAKERand man, it felt bad.

17:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:28SPEAKER- 'Cause then she was like, "Why don't I have a spotlight?"

17:29SPEAKERAnd I was like, "I got you the cheap one by accident."

17:32SPEAKERShe's like, "Oh, I see how it is.

17:33SPEAKER"I always get the bad thing, and you get the nice thing."

17:35SPEAKERSo anyway, yeah, no, Dave, don't do that.

17:38SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

17:39SPEAKER- Let the five gigahertz breathe, man.

17:42SPEAKERGive it to everybody.

17:43SPEAKER- Yeah, just let it be.

17:45SPEAKEREmail from Señor.

17:48SPEAKERI think this is more of a, not a question

17:50SPEAKERso much as a kind of public service announcement

17:52SPEAKERor a bit of context.

17:54SPEAKER- This is a good reminder.

17:55SPEAKERWe should have said this when we talked about this

17:57SPEAKERa couple weeks ago.

17:58SPEAKER- Yeah, some context for a recent episode about pass keys.

18:02SPEAKERPass keys can be secured by biometrics.

18:04SPEAKERBiometrics, of course, means like your face ID

18:06SPEAKERor your thumbprint, et cetera.

18:08SPEAKERDo you think there are any other forms

18:11SPEAKERof common biometrics forthcoming?

18:13SPEAKER- The Vision Pro uses a retina scan.

18:15SPEAKER- Oh, wow, no kidding.

18:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that's worth $5,000.

18:19SPEAKER- I'm trying to think what other parts of your body

18:21SPEAKERthey could identify you with.

18:23SPEAKER- I watched "Alien Resurrection" the other night

18:27SPEAKERwhen I couldn't sleep, and they breathe

18:29SPEAKERonto a breath sensor, if you recall, in that.

18:32SPEAKERLike, "Ahh!"

18:33SPEAKER- What would that be measuring, though?

18:35SPEAKERLike pH?

18:36SPEAKER- The chemicals in your breath. - That's gonna change too much.

18:39SPEAKER- Like your breath,

18:40SPEAKERit's like a ferrum breath analysis thing.

18:42SPEAKER- Ferrum thing.

18:43SPEAKERIt's hard to say DNA,

18:44SPEAKERbut that's too easily spread all over the place.

18:47SPEAKER- The best part is when Winona Ryder is trying

18:49SPEAKERto break into a room that she doesn't have access to,

18:51SPEAKERshe has a ring with a bunch of different smell,

18:55SPEAKERlike breaths from different people.

18:58SPEAKERThey never show her collecting those breaths.

19:00SPEAKERI don't know how that worked, but anyway.

19:02SPEAKER- All right, the email.

19:03SPEAKERPass keys can be secured by biometrics.

19:05SPEAKERIn the U.S., biometrics have no legal protection.

19:09SPEAKERCops can force you to unlock your devices

19:11SPEAKERvia face scan or fingerprint.

19:13SPEAKERNot everyone subject to police searches committed any crime,

19:16SPEAKERand defending a criminal case is extremely expensive

19:18SPEAKERand damaging to one's reputation.

19:20SPEAKERIf that's a problem, don't use biometrics to lock devices.

19:23SPEAKERUse stuff like a more secure password

19:26SPEAKERor a long swipe pattern.

19:28SPEAKERCourts are split on passwords,

19:30SPEAKERbut there are more protections than biometrics.

19:32SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a super good point.

19:34SPEAKERSo they can force you to touch your phone

19:36SPEAKERto unlock your phone.

19:38SPEAKERThey can force you to look at your phone

19:40SPEAKERto unlock your phone.

19:41SPEAKERThis is why, if you're ever getting pulled over

19:43SPEAKERby the police, it's probably a good idea

19:44SPEAKERto do the five power button smash thing

19:47SPEAKERon your face ID phones for iOS,

19:51SPEAKER'cause that basically says, hey,

19:52SPEAKERyou have to put a passcode in

19:53SPEAKERbefore you can do biometrics open again.

19:57SPEAKER- Yeah, the more you know.

19:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, and as far as I know,

20:01SPEAKERthis is a U.S. thing.

20:02SPEAKERI don't know what the law on this is in the U.

20:04SPEAKERIt was, I tried to look at it before that episode,

20:06SPEAKERand it was, I am not a lawyer.

20:09SPEAKERIt was beyond my ability to suss out where we're at

20:12SPEAKERin other major jurisdictions.

20:14SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, all right.

20:16SPEAKER- Can we do this Asman from Norway one real quick?

20:18SPEAKERIt's really good. - Okay, sure.

20:19SPEAKERYes, there is a photo here

20:21SPEAKERthat we'll just have to describe, but yeah, sure.

20:23SPEAKERAsman from Norway, "I went to an art exhibition

20:26SPEAKER"and found what I guess is a clever use

20:27SPEAKER"of power over ethernet.

20:29SPEAKER"The art exhibition lights were jerry-rigged

20:32SPEAKER"to the ethernet ports to get power.

20:35SPEAKER"What is the most clever use of power over ethernet?"

20:36SPEAKERYou have seen or can think of.

20:38SPEAKERThis is, yeah, maybe I'll make this the show art

20:41SPEAKERif it's not. - It's pretty good.

20:42SPEAKER- It doesn't quite fit the aspect ratio,

20:44SPEAKERbut it's kind of a couple little dioramas

20:47SPEAKERthat appear to, I guess they're wall-mounted.

20:48SPEAKERThey're not just hanging, right?

20:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it looks like they're on

20:51SPEAKERlike little L brackets underneath maybe,

20:53SPEAKERbut they're boxes with like,

20:55SPEAKERtheir box is a little bigger than a shoebox,

20:58SPEAKERand they have, like, looks like taxidermy animals.

21:01SPEAKER- Yeah, like mice wearing some Victorian-era clothing

21:04SPEAKERor something, and like a bookcase,

21:05SPEAKERand little diorama shoebox style stuff.

21:08SPEAKERBut anyway, ethernet cable running into the back of them,

21:10SPEAKERso powering the lights apparently.

21:12SPEAKER- But it's not an ethernet cable.

21:13SPEAKERThat's the cool thing.

21:14SPEAKERWhen you zoom in-- - Oh, it's not?

21:15SPEAKER- No, no, no.

21:16SPEAKERWhen you look at the top, what they've done

21:17SPEAKERis they've put dead wires into the Cat5 plugs,

21:22SPEAKERand they're just running the power directly on a strip

21:25SPEAKERto power the LEDs in the boxes.

21:27SPEAKERIt's really, it is really janky and good.

21:29SPEAKERI love it.

21:30SPEAKER- That very much seems like some very skilled technician

21:33SPEAKERlooked at the space they already had,

21:35SPEAKERand they're like, "Well, there are ethernet ports up there

21:37SPEAKERthat are getting power.

21:38SPEAKERI can figure this out."

21:39SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause they're not using, like,

21:41SPEAKERnormally you'd use like a transformer block

21:43SPEAKERor something to step the power up or down or whatever,

21:45SPEAKERbut they're just like, "Ah, yeah, this'll do it.

21:48SPEAKERLet's let her rip."

21:49SPEAKER- Yep, yep.

21:50SPEAKER- And they're really nice little thin cables.

21:52SPEAKERSo anyway, I thought that was cool.

21:53SPEAKERThank you for sharing, Asmund.

21:54SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't have any other clever uses

21:57SPEAKERof Power River ethernet that I can think of

21:59SPEAKERthat are not like sanctioned uses,

22:00SPEAKERbut I guess you could do all kinds of stuff.

22:02SPEAKER- I mean, power's power, man.

22:04SPEAKERThat's the beautiful thing.

22:06SPEAKER- That's true.

22:07SPEAKER- You wanna talk about, I did a tweet the other day,

22:11SPEAKERor rather not a tweet, a blue sky,

22:13SPEAKERwhatever you call those now,

22:16SPEAKERand it was about power bricks,

22:20SPEAKER'cause I realized, like, my daughter was like,

22:22SPEAKER"Oh, I could just use this USB power brick

22:25SPEAKERfor everything else that I use."

22:28SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Well, you can't use that one with that one,"

22:30SPEAKER'cause she had an older piece of electronics

22:32SPEAKERthat needed charging,

22:33SPEAKERand I was like, "You have to use this specifically."

22:34SPEAKERShe's like, "What the hell are you talking about?"

22:36SPEAKERLike, "Yeah, it's a barrel connector.

22:37SPEAKERYou just have to trust me on this."

22:39SPEAKERAnd so it's about that.

22:42SPEAKERI'm trying to find it now, 'cause it's in here.

22:46SPEAKERSo we got too many questions this month.

22:49SPEAKEROh, here we go.

22:50SPEAKERIt's Catwill Mew.

22:52SPEAKERSo Catwill Mew says,

22:54SPEAKER"If you look at a device with an AC adapter,

22:56SPEAKERthere's usually a little legend that says something.

22:58SPEAKERWhat do those mean?

22:59SPEAKERIs there a way to read them

23:00SPEAKERso that I can figure out which AC adapters I can use

23:02SPEAKERwith different gadgets than the one they came with?"

23:05SPEAKER- Okay, I almost flagged this one,

23:06SPEAKERbut I was not confident in my ability to answer it,

23:08SPEAKERbut maybe you are.

23:10SPEAKER- Yeah, so the things that are on that that are important

23:13SPEAKERare whether the center pole and the barrel connector

23:16SPEAKERis positive or negative,

23:19SPEAKERand how much voltage and amperage they provide.

23:22SPEAKERAnd generally, you wanna match them pretty closely.

23:26SPEAKERIf you have too much voltage, it'll probably be okay.

23:29SPEAKERIf you have not enough voltage, it probably won't work.

23:31SPEAKERAnd if you have too much amperage, it will kill it.

23:33SPEAKERSo generally speaking, only use the barrel connector

23:37SPEAKERwith the thing that came with it.

23:39SPEAKEROur rule back when this was a problem

23:40SPEAKERand we had a bazillion of these things,

23:42SPEAKERwhich thankfully, now everything's USB-C.

23:45SPEAKERThis is one real strong improvement for USB-C.

23:49SPEAKERGenerally speaking, we would take a label printer

23:53SPEAKERand print the name of the thing

23:54SPEAKERthat went with the barrel connector or the charging device.

23:57SPEAKERLike all of my DS chargers, say whether it's a DS Lite

24:01SPEAKERor a 3DS or 3DS XL, 'cause they were all a little different.

24:04SPEAKERAnyway, that's it.

24:06SPEAKER- Okay, that's good.

24:07SPEAKERYou started to say, use the plug that came with it?

24:10SPEAKER- Yeah, just use the plug that came with it.

24:12SPEAKER- The other thing I was gonna say

24:13SPEAKERis that polarity thing, right?

24:15SPEAKERThe positive or negative bits?

24:18SPEAKERLike that will kill your device

24:19SPEAKERif you get it backwards, right?

24:20SPEAKER- Sometimes, it depends on the device.

24:21SPEAKER- Oh, not always?

24:22SPEAKEROkay. - It's my understanding.

24:24SPEAKERSo yeah, it's like the TLDR,

24:31SPEAKERin the old days, like you could go to Radio Shack

24:34SPEAKERand buy a barrel, like an AC transformer, AC adapter

24:39SPEAKERthat was a universal that would have

24:40SPEAKERlike 20 different plugs on the end

24:43SPEAKERthat you could put on the end of the barrel

24:46SPEAKERthat we used to get negative or positive

24:47SPEAKERor whatever on the right poles.

24:50SPEAKERThose were pretty reliable way to destroy things

24:52SPEAKERin my experience.

24:54SPEAKER- Yeah, you've just made me realize,

24:56SPEAKERI mean, this is the most obvious thing,

24:57SPEAKERbut you've just made me realize that like,

25:00SPEAKERthe generation's probably already alive now

25:02SPEAKERwho will never know anything but USB-C

25:03SPEAKERfor powering most devices, right?

25:05SPEAKER- My daughter has known Lightning and USB-C basically.

25:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, she'll at least have seen some barrel plugs,

25:11SPEAKERbut like, you know, let's say like kids being born now

25:13SPEAKERto in the next 10 years,

25:15SPEAKERlike might never even see a barrel plug again.

25:17SPEAKER- Well, that tweet came up

25:18SPEAKERbecause it was the first time

25:19SPEAKERshe'd ever engaged with a barrel plug.

25:20SPEAKERShe was like, what the hell is this thing?

25:22SPEAKER- The like the micro USB and USB-B,

25:27SPEAKERthe little flange plugs, mini USB, sorry.

25:31SPEAKERShe basically is, they're basically inscrutable to her.

25:35SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

25:36SPEAKER- It's a good world.

25:37SPEAKERIt's a better, that's a better world.

25:38SPEAKER- Yes, it is.

25:39SPEAKERThis is where you start having to resist the urge

25:40SPEAKERto shake your fist and go damn kids, so.

25:42SPEAKER- But like software configured charging

25:45SPEAKERso that you don't accidentally light shit on fire.

25:48SPEAKERLike I do not feel bad that she's never gonna know the pain

25:52SPEAKERof accidentally letting the smoke

25:53SPEAKERout of her favorite piece of electronics.

25:55SPEAKER- Oh, no, no, no, yeah, absolutely.

25:56SPEAKERThe impulse is not,

25:57SPEAKERyou should have to put up with the same crap we did.

25:59SPEAKERIt's just, hey, just understand how much better it is now.

26:03SPEAKER- Yeah, why did we not do this 30 years before?

26:05SPEAKERIt's 'cause we didn't have the IEEE, I guess.

26:07SPEAKERI don't know. - Yeah, yeah.

26:09SPEAKEROkay, how about...

26:11SPEAKER- You wanna do the sardines?

26:14SPEAKERCan we ask about the, can I ask about the sardines?

26:16SPEAKER- Sure, Fortune wrote in,

26:18SPEAKER"Was Brad's sardine tower ever completely consumed?"

26:21SPEAKERSo the thing about ordering 66 cans of sardines

26:25SPEAKERis that A, leaving them in a tower configuration

26:28SPEAKERis not practical long-term.

26:30SPEAKER- Boo.

26:31SPEAKER- Well, I guess if you really wanted to,

26:33SPEAKERdepends on how much you value your sardines.

26:35SPEAKERIf you want to devote a corner of a room,

26:36SPEAKERI'm not gonna stop you, but B, they end up everywhere.

26:39SPEAKERThe thing is they just got shoved into,

26:42SPEAKERgenerally in multiples of six.

26:45SPEAKERLike, in fact, I think they were packaged.

26:47SPEAKERI think that each set of six was individually wrapped.

26:49SPEAKER- Okay.

26:51SPEAKER- So bricks of six, six tens of sardines

26:54SPEAKERwere just getting shoved every which way

26:56SPEAKERin cabinets, under shelves, wherever they would fit.

27:00SPEAKERAlso, repeated buys have happened.

27:03SPEAKER- You want more than one 60 tower?

27:06SPEAKER- There's a sale that Costco runs on these sardines.

27:09SPEAKERAlso, I don't eat sardines all the time.

27:11SPEAKERI actually went several months without eating any,

27:12SPEAKERbut hey, that's the great thing about 10 fish.

27:14SPEAKERIt just sits there.

27:15SPEAKER- You gotta let me know when the Costco sale happens again.

27:17SPEAKER- It's on right now.

27:18SPEAKER- Oh, hello. - This is amazingly timely.

27:22SPEAKERSo we did at least one more buy when the sale came on.

27:25SPEAKER- How much is a 60, is a flat of sardines?

27:29SPEAKER- I think it was, I think the lowest it's been

27:31SPEAKERis $1.50 a can or maybe $1 a can.

27:33SPEAKER- Oh, that's pretty good.

27:34SPEAKERSo like 100 bucks, 80 bucks, something like that?

27:37SPEAKER- Something like that. - 80 bucks?

27:38SPEAKER- I think like 90 for 60 something.

27:39SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty good.

27:41SPEAKER- I think they're three bucks a can normally.

27:43SPEAKER- Okay.

27:44SPEAKER- We happened to be at Costco yesterday.

27:46SPEAKERThe sale is back on.

27:48SPEAKERWe bought another 36 cans.

27:50SPEAKER- Wow, if I come in with 60 cans of sardines,

27:53SPEAKERmy wife might lose her mind.

27:54SPEAKER- That's really nice.

27:56SPEAKERJust quick, easy, healthy protein to have around.

27:59SPEAKER- So, okay, so here's my question for you.

28:02SPEAKERAre you finding surprise sardines throughout the house?

28:05SPEAKER- Kind of, that's kind of what I'm getting at.

28:07SPEAKER- Like when you do this,

28:09SPEAKERwhen you haven't had them in a minute

28:11SPEAKERand you're like, oh man, I had a surprise can of sardines.

28:14SPEAKERIs this like, I'm gonna share this with my partner thing

28:16SPEAKERor is this like, I gotta eat this real quick

28:17SPEAKERbefore she finds out?

28:20SPEAKERAre you hoarding your five gigahertz is what I'm saying?

28:22SPEAKER- Yeah, the last time I found a brick, I let her know.

28:24SPEAKER- Okay.

28:25SPEAKER- I found a brick, I ate my three.

28:28SPEAKERAnd then I was like, hey, I found some,

28:30SPEAKERso here's the other half of the sardines from this brick.

28:32SPEAKERGo to town.

28:33SPEAKER- Ethical sardine consumption

28:34SPEAKERis happening in your household.

28:35SPEAKER- And then they sat there for another several,

28:38SPEAKERat least a couple of weeks.

28:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:40SPEAKER- And I was like, maybe I'll just eat

28:41SPEAKERthe rest of these sardines.

28:42SPEAKER- What's the statute, so this is a real question.

28:46SPEAKERWhat's the statute of limitations on your house

28:48SPEAKERfor shared food that's not consumed?

28:52SPEAKER- That's an open question, let's say.

28:54SPEAKER- Yeah, but say it's something that's gonna go bad, right?

28:57SPEAKER- Oh, well, if it's gonna go bad, all bets are off.

29:00SPEAKERLike if it's literally like, hey, this needs to be eaten

29:01SPEAKERor it's gonna get thrown out,

29:02SPEAKERthen whoever eats it is well within their rights to do so.

29:05SPEAKER- Even if it's been dibs by somebody else?

29:10SPEAKER- I mean, I guess in that situation, you'd be like,

29:12SPEAKERhey, this is about to go bad.

29:13SPEAKERYou should really eat this or I'm going to,

29:14SPEAKERis what I would say.

29:15SPEAKER- Oh yeah, the threat, I like that.

29:18SPEAKER- I cannot stand food waste.

29:20SPEAKERLike I will go to gray lengths

29:22SPEAKERto make sure food does not get wasted.

29:24SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a problem with it as well.

29:27SPEAKEROkay.

29:28SPEAKER- Anyway, yeah, just to cap the sardine story.

29:30SPEAKERAnd again, like don't think I'm eating.

29:32SPEAKERI don't even eat sardines like once a week necessarily.

29:35SPEAKERLike it's just, it's kind of whenever I'm in the mood.

29:37SPEAKER- You just have the option.

29:38SPEAKER- But the thing I was gonna say

29:40SPEAKERis I have no idea how many sardines are in here.

29:42SPEAKERI think we bought another 36 yesterday.

29:44SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad's house of sardines.

29:46SPEAKER- Like if and when we ever move out of this place,

29:49SPEAKERI am pretty sure we're going to discover sardines

29:52SPEAKERin various places.

29:53SPEAKERThey last forever though.

29:54SPEAKERI'm pretty sure it's like a four year window roughly.

29:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it turns out the limit on most canned stuff

30:00SPEAKERis four years.

30:01SPEAKERWe learned that when we went to NASA

30:02SPEAKERbecause that's one of the problems with going to Mars,

30:07SPEAKERit turns out.

30:07SPEAKER- Right, so like sardines we're buying now

30:09SPEAKERare good through most of the rest of this decade.

30:11SPEAKERSo it'll be fun.

30:13SPEAKEREventually they turn into a fishy flavored paste,

30:16SPEAKERwhich is still edible, but not particularly appetizing.

30:19SPEAKER- Yeah, not my thing necessarily.

30:21SPEAKERI like an egg scramble and sardines lately is my thing.

30:26SPEAKER- I don't know about that.

30:27SPEAKER- Oh, it's good.

30:28SPEAKER- So we do for like, what's your,

30:30SPEAKERso that's your dedicated like,

30:32SPEAKERhey, I need a quick protein for a meal type situation.

30:35SPEAKER- Yeah, or one of, yeah.

30:37SPEAKER- Yeah, we do, I do a lot of eggs for that kind of stuff.

30:42SPEAKERLike I'll chuck a fried egg or a scrambled egg

30:43SPEAKERor a hard boiled egg into whatever.

30:45SPEAKER- Yes, eggs are our go-to for quick, easy, tasty protein,

30:50SPEAKERbut the sardines are a nice add on.

30:51SPEAKER- I didn't see that.

30:52SPEAKERI think sardines and like hard boiled egg

30:54SPEAKERwould be really good.

30:55SPEAKERThat's a deli thing I've had before.

30:58SPEAKER- We've been moving away from deli meats.

31:01SPEAKER- Is it too salty?

31:02SPEAKER- Well, A, because of the boar's head business

31:04SPEAKERand B, it's a lot of sodium and like, you know,

31:06SPEAKERcured meat is not necessarily the best for you in quantity.

31:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:10SPEAKER- So we were buying a lot of deli ham and turkey

31:12SPEAKERfor a long time.

31:13SPEAKERAnd I think we're trying to give up on that, so.

31:15SPEAKER- I gotta say, I had a pastrami sandwich for lunch

31:17SPEAKERthe other day that was pretty remarkable.

31:19SPEAKER- Well, you look, once in a while is fine.

31:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a special treat.

31:23SPEAKER- Yes, indeed.

31:24SPEAKERHere's one from Nanovac we could answer pretty definitively.

31:28SPEAKERIt's been a while since you guys talked about your setup

31:30SPEAKERfor podcast recording.

31:31SPEAKERCan you refresh us on what your setup is?

31:34SPEAKERMy wife and I do a podcast and record from separate rooms,

31:36SPEAKERbut use riverside.fm as a central online recording studio.

31:40SPEAKERIt works pretty well, but we have issues every now and then.

31:43SPEAKERAnd I'm wondering if there's a better way.

31:45SPEAKERIt would be great to go right into my DAW,

31:47SPEAKERDigital Audio Workstation, if possible,

31:50SPEAKERover our home network, I use Studio One.

31:53SPEAKERI think I remember you guys record locally

31:54SPEAKERand then sync up later.

31:55SPEAKERHow do you get the time synced for the recordings?

31:58SPEAKERThanks for any pro tips.

32:00SPEAKER- So we've, we experimented with like Zencastr.

32:02SPEAKERI have, I've used Riverside for other shows,

32:04SPEAKERfor other people's shows when I'm guested,

32:06SPEAKERbut I haven't used it.

32:08SPEAKERI want to say you guys, you've used Riverside too,

32:10SPEAKERfor your audio only stuff on Nextlander, right?

32:12SPEAKER- No, no, we, we basically do the same thing we do here.

32:15SPEAKERThe only difference is the video call.

32:17SPEAKER- Ah, okay.

32:18SPEAKER- We're on, we use, here at the tech pod, we use Jitsi,

32:21SPEAKERwhich is an open source video call.

32:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:25SPEAKER- Which I think when it was new,

32:26SPEAKERwas like one of the more low latency ones out there.

32:28SPEAKERBut I think most video calls are using

32:30SPEAKERsimilar underlying technology now.

32:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I think post pandemic, everything's caught up.

32:35SPEAKER- Yeah, we use, we use StreamYard,

32:37SPEAKERwhich is a pay service for Nextlander,

32:38SPEAKERwhich has been, it's been a little more resilient,

32:40SPEAKERJitsi can be a little dodgy occasionally.

32:43SPEAKER- The, the, the syncing up, so we record locally for the,

32:46SPEAKERsince there's no video on this show, we record locally

32:49SPEAKERand then sync up the, basically rather than,

32:55SPEAKERwe used to look at time.is and we would try to clap

32:58SPEAKERon exactly their seconds, three seconds in a row.

33:01SPEAKERSo we'd get some good claps.

33:03SPEAKER- People's ability to clap on, on a beat

33:05SPEAKERis wildly divergent, it turns out.

33:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's, it's usually good enough

33:09SPEAKERif people are pretty close within half a second

33:11SPEAKERor something, but, but there is variance there,

33:13SPEAKERdepending on how attentive somebody is.

33:15SPEAKER- Yeah, Thrift Start in the Discord made a tool for us

33:19SPEAKERa few years ago called Beep 30,

33:21SPEAKERthat we use to generate a beep based on network time.

33:25SPEAKERSo we get a precise one second long tone

33:28SPEAKERthat runs three, like we do three or four in a row.

33:32SPEAKERAnd it lets us sync, doing multiples in a row

33:36SPEAKERgives us a good sync if we, if like somebody's,

33:39SPEAKERsomebody's file, recording crashes and we have to restart.

33:44SPEAKERSo that's pretty much it.

33:46SPEAKERI, I've had bad luck with latency on network,

33:50SPEAKERstuff over the network, especially,

33:52SPEAKERit's bad enough on ethernet, it's worse if you're on wifi.

33:56SPEAKERIf you're going to do audio over ethernet stuff,

33:58SPEAKERyou generally, my understanding is that you're better off

34:01SPEAKERdoing direct, like having it on its own network.

34:05SPEAKERSo it's its own thing rather than on network

34:07SPEAKERwith other traffic where there's potential for collisions

34:11SPEAKERand stuff like that.

34:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I can't imagine recording real-time audio

34:15SPEAKERover a network.

34:16SPEAKERLike it's, it's already bad enough just on a local computer.

34:18SPEAKERThere's so many, depending on,

34:20SPEAKERdepending on your hardware and your operating system,

34:22SPEAKERlike the Mac OS is way better for real-time audio

34:24SPEAKERthan Windows, for example, but there's so many,

34:27SPEAKERthere's so much potential for Drift and Jitter

34:30SPEAKERand buffer underruns and just all these problems

34:31SPEAKERjust in the operating system,

34:33SPEAKERlet alone going over a network that that seems...

34:35SPEAKER- Well, so there's, there's a whole,

34:37SPEAKERthere's a whole host of tools and resources

34:41SPEAKERfor piping audio over ethernet from like production device

34:45SPEAKERto production device.

34:48SPEAKERSo like a lot of studio monitors and stuff,

34:50SPEAKERlike if you're on a stage,

34:51SPEAKERwe'll run the monitors off of ethernet.

34:53SPEAKERSo you get the feedback from the board

34:55SPEAKERin the back of the room and that'll go over ethernet.

34:57SPEAKERThose are almost always on dedicated runs,

34:59SPEAKERnot like part of a larger packet switch network.

35:03SPEAKER- I see. Oh, so it's not like audio over IP.

35:05SPEAKERIt's just using the cable as a medium.

35:07SPEAKER- It is audio over IP,

35:08SPEAKERbut you have to structure your network in a way

35:11SPEAKERthat it's intentional for that so that you don't have like

35:15SPEAKERweird stuff in the way and like you don't end up

35:17SPEAKERwith a bunch of error correction and stuff like that.

35:19SPEAKER- Yeah, sure. That makes sense.

35:21SPEAKER- And I wouldn't do it over wifi also.

35:23SPEAKER- Yeah. Here's a question from Mega Crane.

35:27SPEAKERWith the AirPods Pro 2 update adding clinical grade

35:30SPEAKERhearing aid capability,

35:32SPEAKERit got me thinking about how I need to get a new aid.

35:34SPEAKERAnd I went to a specialist and asked about

35:36SPEAKERover the counter hearing aids and earbud products,

35:39SPEAKERhaving hearing aid features getting implemented.

35:41SPEAKERThe specialist said that these aids and devices

35:43SPEAKERare only good for making things loud for the wearer,

35:46SPEAKERbut not clear for the wearer.

35:48SPEAKERBy the way, we sell hearing aids that will cost $3,000.

35:51SPEAKERI suppose I have two questions.

35:53SPEAKERDo you think over the counter hearing aid tech will improve

35:55SPEAKERto compete with hearing aids that cost thousands of dollars?

35:58SPEAKERAnd also why the hell doesn't insurance cover hearing health?

36:02SPEAKERThat latter question, I did not know that.

36:04SPEAKERI would have just assumed surely that's something

36:06SPEAKERhealth insurance covers.

36:07SPEAKERBut then again,

36:09SPEAKERthe primary objective of health insurance

36:11SPEAKERin the United States is to avoid covering anything they can.

36:13SPEAKER- Yeah. Why we don't cover the mouth bones.

36:17SPEAKERA friend of mine calls them luxury, luxury bones, teeth.

36:21SPEAKERWe don't cover eyes. Why would we cover ears?

36:24SPEAKERI mean, America is a place where you pay hundreds

36:26SPEAKERto thousands of dollars a month for the privilege

36:28SPEAKERof not getting insurance coverage.

36:30SPEAKER- Yeah. So I don't have hearing loss

36:32SPEAKERthat requires hearing aids at this point,

36:34SPEAKERwhich I'm grateful for,

36:36SPEAKERbut I have been to the audiologist.

36:38SPEAKERAnd A, I think you hit part of it,

36:41SPEAKERwhich is that they sell hearing aids

36:43SPEAKERthat cost a whole buttload of money.

36:45SPEAKERThe thing that I think is gonna happen with the OTCA aids

36:50SPEAKERis that the people who make the,

36:53SPEAKERbecause we're dealing with people who are

36:56SPEAKERat the bleeding edge of software development,

36:59SPEAKERwe're gonna see better software on the OTCA aids

37:03SPEAKERpretty quickly than you're getting in the commercial,

37:06SPEAKERthe high-end hearing aids.

37:09SPEAKERSo like the thing I have problems with is processing.

37:12SPEAKERI can't pick out voices

37:13SPEAKERwhen they're in loud environments often,

37:15SPEAKERespecially in specific registers

37:17SPEAKERwhere I do have a little bit of hearing loss.

37:19SPEAKERSo in that case,

37:21SPEAKEReven before the OTCA hearing aid stuff came online,

37:24SPEAKERputting in AirPods Pro

37:26SPEAKERand putting it in the conversation mode,

37:28SPEAKERin the adaptive mode where it reduces the background noise,

37:32SPEAKERbut lets me hear stuff directly in front of me pretty well,

37:34SPEAKERmade a huge difference.

37:36SPEAKERAnd I think that what's gonna end up happening,

37:39SPEAKERI think that's because Apple's noise canceling

37:41SPEAKERand like their ability to differentiate things

37:44SPEAKERyou want to hear from background noise is really,

37:46SPEAKERreally good because they've been doing it

37:47SPEAKERon phones for 15 years.

37:49SPEAKER- Right. Yeah.

37:50SPEAKERLike Apple in particular, I mean, obviously,

37:51SPEAKERother companies too,

37:52SPEAKERbut like they have been so aggressive about,

37:55SPEAKERI started to say health, but it's broader than that.

37:57SPEAKERJust like kind of human computing interface,

38:00SPEAKERI guess I would say, you know,

38:01SPEAKEReverything from health tracking to, like you said,

38:03SPEAKERthe way it's processing audio so you can hear it better.

38:05SPEAKERLike they just, they put so much effort into

38:08SPEAKERsmoothing out all the ways that people interface

38:11SPEAKERwith technology that it has to,

38:13SPEAKERit has to surpass whatever the kind of more health oriented,

38:17SPEAKERyou know, like traditional hearing aid providers

38:18SPEAKERare doing like immediately.

38:20SPEAKER- Well, the, so I also, before this OTC thing happened,

38:24SPEAKERI had a friend who worked at Bose who sent me,

38:26SPEAKERI think I actually bought them,

38:27SPEAKERbut he sent me a pair of Bose Hearphones,

38:30SPEAKERwhich was one of the first products in this category

38:32SPEAKERthat was designed to give you better filtering

38:36SPEAKERin loud environments.

38:37SPEAKERI tried them at a conference and I was like,

38:38SPEAKERoh, right, I walked around.

38:39SPEAKERI could hear people in places that I normally

38:41SPEAKERwould never be able to have a conversation with someone.

38:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:45SPEAKER- And I think, you know,

38:47SPEAKERit's the mild to moderate hearing loss is the big thing.

38:49SPEAKERIf you're, if you have significant loss

38:51SPEAKERin big portions of the spectrum,

38:54SPEAKERthen these aren't going to like,

38:55SPEAKERthese aren't going to shift, you know,

38:58SPEAKERsome expensive hearing aids will shift sounds

39:01SPEAKERfrom the spectrum that you can't hear

39:02SPEAKERto the spectrum that you can hear.

39:04SPEAKERThese aren't going to do that.

39:05SPEAKERThese are going to help you filter out background noise

39:07SPEAKERor do other, you know, like they said, do other things.

39:12SPEAKER- Yeah, although if Apple or some of these other companies

39:14SPEAKERdo in this, see that as a big growth market,

39:16SPEAKERyou can see them starting to do stuff like that potentially.

39:19SPEAKER- Well, and the big benefit is a lot of people

39:21SPEAKERhave that kind of hearing loss from using ear pods

39:24SPEAKERfor the last 20 years.

39:26SPEAKERAnd as a result, like it's a little bit

39:30SPEAKERlike we're buying our medicine

39:31SPEAKERfor the person who made us sick.

39:33SPEAKERI will say they've been much better in the last,

39:36SPEAKERI don't know, five, 10 years where the phone

39:38SPEAKERactually yells at you if you're listening to stuff too loud,

39:40SPEAKERdoesn't let you listen to stuff too loud.

39:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:43SPEAKER- It's like, everybody's trying to sell you something.

39:48SPEAKERIt's just one person is trying to sell you something

39:49SPEAKERthat costs $250 and one person is trying to sell you

39:51SPEAKERsomething that costs three grand.

39:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:54SPEAKERDo you know, are in-ear earbuds like especially dangerous

39:59SPEAKERin that respect or is that just a function

40:00SPEAKERof people playing stuff too loud?

40:01SPEAKERLike are over-ear headphones also just as prone

40:04SPEAKERto causing hearing loss or is there something

40:06SPEAKERabout the physical presence of the speaker in your ear

40:10SPEAKERthat makes it worse?

40:10SPEAKER- It's about isolating you from the outside world as my,

40:14SPEAKERI believe, I don't know.

40:16SPEAKERSo it's that you lose the, basically it's like you're boiling

40:22SPEAKERa frog, right, you turn it up a little bit louder

40:25SPEAKERand a little bit louder and a little bit louder

40:26SPEAKERand because you don't have the outside world

40:28SPEAKERto reference against when you have closed your headphones

40:31SPEAKERor in-ears or whatever, then you tend to adjust

40:36SPEAKERto too loud, easier, and then you don't realize

40:42SPEAKERthat you're listening to something

40:43SPEAKERthat's hurting your ears.

40:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I bought some, they're in-ear buds,

40:48SPEAKERthey kind of got an over-the-ear clip sort of thing.

40:50SPEAKERI bought them for streaming a couple of years ago,

40:52SPEAKERlike a year after we started an Exlander

40:53SPEAKERbecause these big bulky over-ear gamer headphones

40:56SPEAKERjust look kind of bad and these are practically invisible

40:59SPEAKERand I was like, oh, I can kind of like be on stream

41:00SPEAKERand look like I'm barely wearing headphones.

41:03SPEAKERLike six months later, I started developing tinnitus

41:05SPEAKERin my right ear like fairly significantly

41:07SPEAKERand like I think I'm good on the left still,

41:09SPEAKERbut it's hard to tell, but the right has just been,

41:12SPEAKERit's not fun.

41:13SPEAKERAnyway, that may be completely unrelated to the headphones,

41:15SPEAKERbut I did stop using those afterwards.

41:18SPEAKER- Well, so when I played a lot of PUBG early on

41:20SPEAKERbefore I started putting a compressor

41:22SPEAKERon the audio channels for that game,

41:25SPEAKERthere was a wide dynamic range between what was loud

41:28SPEAKERand what was not loud.

41:29SPEAKERSo in order to hear, and the game,

41:32SPEAKERthe sounds were gameplay dependent.

41:34SPEAKERSo like you needed to be able to hear footsteps

41:37SPEAKERwhen people were walking around in a building with you,

41:39SPEAKERright?

41:40SPEAKERSo you turned up the volume loud enough to hear that,

41:42SPEAKERbut then when you did that,

41:43SPEAKERthen the gunshots and the car driving were incredibly loud

41:47SPEAKERand you spend a lot of time making gun noises

41:49SPEAKERand driving noises in that game

41:51SPEAKERand I started having similar problems.

41:52SPEAKERSo yeah, I stopped using closed-hear headphones

41:57SPEAKERas a result of that and adjusted my microphone

42:00SPEAKERuntil I got something that wouldn't bleed through.

42:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:03SPEAKERAll right, question from Rabid Oyster.

42:05SPEAKERLike, will I have an IONIQ 5,

42:07SPEAKERwhich in the UI emphasizes the value

42:09SPEAKERof not fully charging the battery to extend battery life?

42:12SPEAKERDo you know if there's also a best practice

42:14SPEAKERin terms of topping it off up to 80% every night

42:17SPEAKERversus running it down to 20 or so before charging back up?

42:20SPEAKERA side note, use Home Assistant and a smart plug

42:23SPEAKERto toggle your phone charger off at 80% like your EV.

42:27SPEAKER- So iOS does that now too, I think.

42:29SPEAKERiOS 18 lets you just say,

42:30SPEAKERhey, I don't want to charge past 18% or 80%.

42:34SPEAKER- It's weird, I've seen, maybe it wasn't the phone,

42:36SPEAKERmaybe it's the MacBook.

42:37SPEAKERI've seen the MacBook occasionally also kind of stop

42:40SPEAKERat 80 artificially, but not always.

42:43SPEAKERIt only does it sometimes, I'm not sure why.

42:45SPEAKER- So for the last couple of versions of iOS,

42:48SPEAKERthe AirPods do the same, the watch is the same.

42:51SPEAKERIt will fast charge to 80 and then slow charge after that,

42:56SPEAKERor it'll do a scheduled charge

42:57SPEAKERso it has time for the cells to cool down or whatever

43:00SPEAKERbetween the fast charge to 80 and the rest.

43:04SPEAKERThe Ionic has, in the car, there's a UI that says,

43:07SPEAKERhey, on DC charged this, on AC charged to a maximum of this.

43:11SPEAKERAnd if you have, like ours is the extended range one,

43:15SPEAKERso it's like 320 miles on the full charge.

43:18SPEAKERSo that means driving at 80% is no impact.

43:22SPEAKERThe best practice, as I understand it,

43:24SPEAKERis don't charge it beyond 80%.

43:27SPEAKEROf course, here's the thing, if you're on a lease,

43:28SPEAKERwho cares, 'cause you can give the car back in three years

43:31SPEAKERand it's somebody else's problem at that point.

43:33SPEAKERIf you're gonna keep the car, if you keep the car,

43:36SPEAKERthen yeah, and you don't need the full range all the time,

43:40SPEAKERI would absolutely charge to 80%.

43:41SPEAKERNow, the best practice, as conveyed by the subreddit,

43:46SPEAKERwhich has been a little bit up and down,

43:49SPEAKERis that you do occasionally wanna charge it all the way up

43:52SPEAKERand run it below 20% so that you actually hit

43:56SPEAKERall the cells in the car reliably.

43:59SPEAKERSo once a month, I run mine up to 100%

44:02SPEAKERand run it down all the way, as much as I can.

44:05SPEAKERIt's actually kind of hard to run it to 20%.

44:07SPEAKERAnd yeah, iOS 18 does have a charge limit for your device,

44:10SPEAKERso you can set it to only charge to 80% maximum.

44:16SPEAKER- You just made me think of the phenomenon of batteries

44:19SPEAKERhaving wear leveling like SSDs do, is that a thing?

44:22SPEAKERLike when you're talking about having to make sure

44:24SPEAKERall the cells in the battery charge equally,

44:27SPEAKERthat's how SSDs work that way,

44:28SPEAKERbecause flash memory can only be written to so many times,

44:31SPEAKERso they spread their rights around the empty space,

44:34SPEAKERso you're not writing to the same first few cells

44:37SPEAKERor whatever over and over?

44:38SPEAKER- Yeah, the--

44:39SPEAKER- Do batteries have that sort of thing yet?

44:40SPEAKER- Lithium batteries have a lot of circuitry

44:44SPEAKERto make them last longer and to be smart

44:45SPEAKERand to do things like not completely discharge

44:47SPEAKERand not overcharge and all that.

44:50SPEAKER- Interesting.

44:51SPEAKERI like when people think of things

44:52SPEAKERand solve problems for you ahead of time.

44:54SPEAKER- Well, it's interesting, 'cause my Apple Watch is,

44:58SPEAKERI think, three years old this year.

44:59SPEAKERIt's probably the oldest thing I have,

45:01SPEAKERand the battery is still 87%,

45:05SPEAKERbecause most of the time I use it,

45:07SPEAKERit never goes above 80% charge.

45:09SPEAKERBattery health says 83%.

45:12SPEAKER- I didn't know you could check battery health on the watch,

45:14SPEAKER'cause they don't let you check that on the iPad,

45:15SPEAKERand I assumed that was maybe a phone-only thing,

45:17SPEAKERbut I should check that.

45:18SPEAKER- Yeah, but watch and phone will do it.

45:21SPEAKER- I can tell you right now if you just fill here briefly.

45:24SPEAKER- Yeah, I love Phil.

45:25SPEAKERPhil's a good guy.

45:26SPEAKER- What do you like best about him?

45:28SPEAKER- I think his commitment to laser safety

45:31SPEAKERand non-nuclear, anti-nuclear proliferation are both great.

45:37SPEAKERHe also makes good coffee.

45:39SPEAKERIf you know which Phil we're talking about,

45:40SPEAKERwrite in and you get a no prize.

45:43SPEAKER- Oh, 88%.

45:45SPEAKERWhat did you say yours was?

45:46SPEAKER89? - 83.

45:47SPEAKERYours is six months newer than mine,

45:48SPEAKERor eight months newer than mine.

45:49SPEAKER- Man, that's rough.

45:50SPEAKERI did not, I kinda hoped for better, but oh well.

45:54SPEAKER- I would probably, the way I use my watch,

45:57SPEAKERI would probably just lock it to 80% almost all the time.

45:59SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe I'll leave that on the next watch.

46:02SPEAKERWe were, this is like I said, we went to Costco yesterday.

46:04SPEAKERThey had the new watches out.

46:06SPEAKER- Oh, that's fast.

46:07SPEAKER- I'm back to thinking about it again.

46:09SPEAKER- Is it that thin?

46:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, no, it's not that much thinner

46:13SPEAKERor that much bigger screen,

46:14SPEAKERbut it is just enough that you can tell,

46:15SPEAKERand I was like, ah, that does look kind of appealing, but.

46:18SPEAKER- Okay.

46:19SPEAKERSo the thing I meant to ask on that episode,

46:21SPEAKERI don't think I did.

46:22SPEAKERDo you think whatever hardware is necessary

46:24SPEAKERfor the Blood Ox is still in there

46:26SPEAKERand it's just disabled by software?

46:28SPEAKER- 100%, we should have put this in,

46:29SPEAKER'cause we got a lot of feedback from this.

46:31SPEAKER- Okay.

46:32SPEAKER- In non-US regions, it still has the Pulse Ox.

46:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw, that's what made me think of it is,

46:38SPEAKERbecause I assume they're not making different models

46:39SPEAKERfor different territories.

46:40SPEAKER- No, so it's a firmware lockout on US models.

46:44SPEAKERYou can even buy imported watches from other regions.

46:47SPEAKERI hesitate to tell you this 'cause it's gonna break you.

46:50SPEAKERYou can buy imported watches from other regions

46:51SPEAKERwhere it's still available,

46:53SPEAKERand then when you activate it in the US, it'll still work.

46:55SPEAKER- Okay, I mean, I'm never gonna do that, to be clear.

46:58SPEAKER- Okay.

46:59SPEAKER- I'm not gonna jump through those hoops,

47:00SPEAKERbut what I was wondering was

47:01SPEAKERif you did go ahead and buy the new one,

47:02SPEAKERlike if they somehow resolve this patent dispute

47:05SPEAKERin three months,

47:06SPEAKERthey presumably could just turn it back on for you, correct?

47:09SPEAKER- That would be the least Apple-y solution

47:11SPEAKERto a problem like this I've ever heard of,

47:14SPEAKER'cause typically they would be like,

47:15SPEAKERwell, it'll be on next year's model.

47:16SPEAKERCongratulations. - Ah, that sucks.

47:18SPEAKER- But since the hardware's already in there

47:20SPEAKERand they haven't enabled another,

47:22SPEAKERit probably reduces cost for them

47:24SPEAKER'cause they only have to maintain one firmware

47:25SPEAKERinstead of two.

47:26SPEAKER- Right. - Yeah.

47:28SPEAKER- All right, well, I don't know.

47:29SPEAKER- 50/50, I have no idea which way that one would go.

47:32SPEAKER- Okay, here's another question from Cat Will Mew.

47:35SPEAKERI'm hoping maybe your time at PC World

47:37SPEAKERhas provided you with an answer for this,

47:39SPEAKER'cause I certainly don't have one.

47:41SPEAKERIs there any practical reason

47:42SPEAKERwhy the new Ryzans have speed holes?

47:44SPEAKER- Yeah, those components around the very edge of the CPU

47:50SPEAKERneed air around them.

47:52SPEAKER- Really, like for air flow?

47:53SPEAKERLike for actual heat dissipation?

47:55SPEAKER- It's for heat dissipation, yeah.

47:57SPEAKER- So this is on, to be clear,

47:58SPEAKERthis is on the 7000 and 9000 series Ryzans.

48:00SPEAKERIf you just want to see what we're talking about,

48:02SPEAKERgo Google those up.

48:03SPEAKER- Yeah, they have speed holes.

48:04SPEAKER- Yes, the heat spreader, although to be fair,

48:06SPEAKERthe heat spreader extends to the edges of the package,

48:09SPEAKERwhich it does not on Intel, so.

48:11SPEAKERBut in between the little feet of the heat spreader

48:14SPEAKERthat are stuck to the PCB,

48:17SPEAKERthere are just big cutouts in the metal

48:18SPEAKERwith a bunch of circuitry exposed.

48:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it's--

48:23SPEAKER- If you put too much paste on,

48:25SPEAKERthat's a potential recipe

48:27SPEAKERfor getting the parts of the CPU goopy,

48:29SPEAKERbut it should be fine.

48:30SPEAKER- Well, yeah, as long as you're not using,

48:31SPEAKERif you're using a conductive paste,

48:33SPEAKERlike Arctic Silver 5 is a little bit conductive.

48:36SPEAKER- I didn't know that.

48:37SPEAKER- You should be careful with what you use.

48:40SPEAKERIf you use, I use thermal grizzly these days, cryonaut,

48:44SPEAKERwhich is non-conductive and is much easier to manage

48:47SPEAKERthan the Arctic Silver was.

48:49SPEAKERBut yeah, if you're using like a liquid metal

48:52SPEAKERor something crazy, you have to be real careful with those.

48:57SPEAKERThe benefit of having the heat spreader

48:58SPEAKERgo all the way to the edge is it means you're less likely

49:00SPEAKERto get warping on the CPU, on the CPU itself,

49:06SPEAKERwhich can cause connection problems

49:08SPEAKERand all that kind of stuff, so.

49:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the problem that Intel has run into

49:12SPEAKERwith LGA 1700, warping the heat spreader

49:15SPEAKERwith the retention bracket,

49:17SPEAKERso it's not touching the heat sink very well.

49:19SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a little more rigid all the way through

49:21SPEAKERand the whole thing works better, it's quite interesting.

49:24SPEAKER- I'll be curious to see what Aero Lake looks like

49:26SPEAKERwhen that ships, which can't be that far off, I think,

49:29SPEAKER'cause that's their first new socket in four years now.

49:32SPEAKER- They're working on it.

49:34SPEAKERThere was a bunch of lunar lake stuff this week

49:36SPEAKERthat dropped the perf on Gordon,

49:40SPEAKERwe talked about it in The Full Nerd this week,

49:41SPEAKERbut Gordon is really excited about lunar lake as a,

49:45SPEAKERlunar lake is the mobile version of their desegregated,

49:48SPEAKERtheir new desegregated chip.

49:49SPEAKERIt's the follow-up to Meteor Lake.

49:53SPEAKERIt's in laptop shipping, I think now, probably.

49:57SPEAKER- That sounds right.

49:57SPEAKER- And yeah, basically the perf per watt is as good

50:02SPEAKERor better than the Snapdragon Elite X.

50:06SPEAKER- Which is, it's rough for Qualcomm

50:08SPEAKERand the laptop makers getting behind the windows

50:11SPEAKERon ARM stuff for an x86 chip to come along.

50:14SPEAKERIt's like practically does the same thing

50:16SPEAKERand doesn't have the compatibility issues.

50:18SPEAKER- Well, but also this is the result of Intel spending,

50:22SPEAKERlike Intel has been working on this for a really long time.

50:24SPEAKERLike this is the first big architecture change

50:26SPEAKERin almost a decade at this point.

50:29SPEAKER- Yeah, and they're finally getting

50:30SPEAKERonto better process nodes as well.

50:32SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:34SPEAKERYou should listen to The Full,

50:35SPEAKERif you're interested in this, we talked about it a lot

50:38SPEAKERin the back half of the show, The Full Nerd.

50:40SPEAKERWe also had Wendell from Level One Hardware on

50:43SPEAKERtalking about, he explained what's going on

50:44SPEAKER'cause these Xeons came out at the same time

50:47SPEAKERand we talked about them as well.

50:48SPEAKERHe's really bullish on,

50:52SPEAKERWendell does a lot of like data center stuff

50:54SPEAKERand he's very excited about the prospect of the new Xeons.

51:02SPEAKER- That's cool.

51:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:04SPEAKER- We have a question from Tactical Tug.

51:06SPEAKERThis might be a little off topic for the podcast,

51:08SPEAKERbut still a genuine question from a European like me.

51:12SPEAKERWhat is American's fascination with credit cards?

51:14SPEAKERWhere I live, we barely use them

51:15SPEAKERand mostly stick to debit cards.

51:18SPEAKERWhat you have in your account, that's what you can use.

51:20SPEAKERAlso, why isn't the tax included in the price in stores?

51:24SPEAKERThis has been bugging me for years.

51:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know why the tax isn't included

51:27SPEAKERin the price in stores.

51:28SPEAKERI think it's so they can trick you into spending more money.

51:30SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I mean,

51:31SPEAKERI think that's probably the real reason,

51:33SPEAKERbut also like sales taxes is levied by state.

51:36SPEAKERSo if you're dealing with national stuff,

51:39SPEAKERlike national chains don't have to worry as much about

51:42SPEAKERvariance in sales tax from state to state,

51:44SPEAKERbut primarily I think it's just so

51:48SPEAKERyou're decreasing the sticker shock for people.

51:50SPEAKER- I use a credit card for stuff

51:53SPEAKERbecause there's no purchase protection on debit cards

51:55SPEAKERand there's very little fraud protection on debit cards.

51:58SPEAKER- That's what it is and I wonder if that,

52:00SPEAKERthat very much seems like the type of thing

52:01SPEAKERthat is more, or not is,

52:03SPEAKERbut could be more heavily regulated in Europe,

52:05SPEAKERwhether by the EU or by specific nations, but.

52:08SPEAKER- Also Europe was way earlier,

52:11SPEAKERlike we were using mag stripes here,

52:12SPEAKERwhich are really easy to knock off

52:14SPEAKERand for many, many years after Europe had ditched them

52:20SPEAKERfor all intents and purposes.

52:21SPEAKER- Yes, yes, our financial industry is very sluggish here

52:24SPEAKERon adopting stuff, but the main point there is

52:27SPEAKERif somebody compromises your debit card here,

52:29SPEAKERit's quite easy for them to clean your account out

52:31SPEAKERand there's only so much recourse that you have.

52:33SPEAKER- Yeah, you're fucked.

52:34SPEAKER- And a credit card is, I don't know if I wanna say

52:37SPEAKERfully bulletproof, but relatively so in terms of fraud.

52:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, the credit card company will generally

52:46SPEAKERdeal with the fraud problem for you,

52:47SPEAKERwhereas if your debit card gets cleaned out,

52:49SPEAKERgets your bank account cleaned out,

52:51SPEAKERyour recourse is to go to the bank

52:53SPEAKERand then call the police and wait a while

52:54SPEAKERuntil they catch the person who did it,

52:56SPEAKERwhich is never gonna happen.

52:57SPEAKER- Right, and even then you may not get everything back?

53:00SPEAKERYou're not gonna see your money again?

53:01SPEAKER- The other thing, I don't know if this is a phenomenon

53:03SPEAKERin Europe, but the rewards credit cards are huge here.

53:06SPEAKERLike most people who are serious about credit cards

53:10SPEAKERrefuse to use a card that does not have some kind of reward

53:12SPEAKERfor usage program attached to it,

53:15SPEAKERwhether it's just straight up cash back

53:16SPEAKERor you can earn like frequent flyer miles on an airline

53:19SPEAKERor X, Y, and Z benefits.

53:22SPEAKER- Points or whatever.

53:23SPEAKERThe problem with that is often people think about

53:25SPEAKERthe rewards and they don't think about the amount of money

53:28SPEAKERthat they're paying to borrow.

53:29SPEAKER- That works well.

53:30SPEAKERThat's great as long as you pay off your card every month,

53:32SPEAKERI guess, is the TLDR.

53:33SPEAKERIf you're not paying off your card every month,

53:35SPEAKERthe rewards are a trap.

53:38SPEAKER- Maybe offset somewhat.

53:40SPEAKER- Yet significantly offset by the amount of money

53:42SPEAKERyou're sending to borrow the money in the bank.

53:44SPEAKER- Yes, let's see.

53:46SPEAKERQuick question from Warbird.

53:47SPEAKERSo is the call now to get a Panasonic OLED

53:50SPEAKERinstead of whatever, LG OLED?

53:54SPEAKERThat way too early to say on that.

53:55SPEAKERI would wait for U.S. based reviews of the U.S. sets

53:58SPEAKERwhere you jump on anything.

54:00SPEAKEROne thing I didn't mention in that quick call open

54:02SPEAKERwas that I believe by all accounts,

54:05SPEAKERI don't think Panasonic says this,

54:06SPEAKERbut they are using LG panels in their TVs.

54:08SPEAKERSo it could be quite similar core OLED technology,

54:12SPEAKERbut of course they're doing different things

54:13SPEAKERin terms of like the video processing,

54:16SPEAKERwhatever compute is attached to it

54:17SPEAKERand the way that they handle image stuff,

54:20SPEAKERyou know, image processing, et cetera, et cetera.

54:22SPEAKER- I mean, for what it's worth,

54:23SPEAKERmy understanding is the LG software on the TVs

54:26SPEAKERis pretty good.

54:27SPEAKER- So that's where it varies.

54:29SPEAKERSo like LG uses WebOS 'cause they bought it.

54:32SPEAKERPanasonic uses Amazon Fire TV

54:34SPEAKERas the software on their TVs.

54:35SPEAKERThat's, I don't think I maybe knew that

54:38SPEAKERat the time of that call open.

54:39SPEAKERI went and looked that up later.

54:41SPEAKERThat might be a little unfortunate for me.

54:43SPEAKER- Yeah, like I like WebOS ends up being nice

54:46SPEAKERand non-denominational in terms of what Apple stuff

54:49SPEAKERand what Google stuff it supports.

54:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:52SPEAKER- So I'm more likely to probably go with an LG

54:55SPEAKERunless the image processing is real good on the Panasonics.

54:58SPEAKER- I think LG's, is LG the only one

55:01SPEAKERthat makes their own software for their TVs?

55:03SPEAKEROr I think Samsung's is also proprietary.

55:05SPEAKER- Samsung is Tizen, whatever.

55:06SPEAKER- Yeah, Tizen, which I think they make themselves.

55:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:10SPEAKER- Like the high sense I've got is Google TV.

55:12SPEAKERLike I said, these Panasonic OLEDs use Amazon Fire TV.

55:15SPEAKERAnyway, I would keep an eye out for reviews

55:17SPEAKERon these Panasonics, but even if you don't get one,

55:20SPEAKERit's just great to have more competition in the space.

55:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:24SPEAKER- The more companies making high-end OLEDs,

55:26SPEAKERthe less expensive they're going to be.

55:29SPEAKERI saw a viral tweet going around the other day

55:31SPEAKERof somebody playing "Jedi Survivor"

55:33SPEAKERon a 156-inch micro-LED display on the wall,

55:38SPEAKERwhich is basically as flat as the wall.

55:40SPEAKERIt was literally just the display.

55:42SPEAKERThe display was like a poster on the wall.

55:44SPEAKERIt was about as thick as a poster hanging on the wall,

55:46SPEAKERand it was 156 inches.

55:48SPEAKER- If you have to ask, it's too much, right?

55:51SPEAKER- Oh, it was in some kind of showroom.

55:52SPEAKERIt was not in somebody's house.

55:53SPEAKERIt was like some professional setup.

55:55SPEAKERLike you can see the signage all over the place, but...

55:58SPEAKER- It's like when we hooked the Xbox 360

56:00SPEAKERup to the planetarium ceiling.

56:02SPEAKER- Yeah, if and when the micro-LED stuff

56:04SPEAKERgets cheap and democratized, though,

56:06SPEAKERit's going to get very interesting.

56:07SPEAKER- Eh, give it another 10 or 15 years.

56:10SPEAKERMaybe I'll still be able to see by then.

56:12SPEAKERBrad, you got one more?

56:13SPEAKEROr you want to think this is a good place to wrap it up?

56:15SPEAKER- I could do like one more real quick here.

56:16SPEAKER- Okay.

56:18SPEAKER- Vivrine, Vivron, Vivrine.

56:21SPEAKER- Yeah. - I'm gonna say.

56:22SPEAKERWith the PlayStation 5 Pro being 700 pounds,

56:25SPEAKERit's also $700 in the US,

56:27SPEAKERI've been trying to get a few friends

56:29SPEAKERto join the PC revolution.

56:32SPEAKERWhat recommendations would you make

56:33SPEAKERto someone looking to fork out 700 pounds for a console

56:36SPEAKERand can something equivalent be bought or built?

56:39SPEAKERSo Digital Foundry has done a pretty extensive breakdown

56:43SPEAKERof the PS5 Pro.

56:44SPEAKERI watched a video,

56:46SPEAKERthis was like right after the announcement happened,

56:47SPEAKERlike two days after the price was announced,

56:49SPEAKERbut Richard Ledbetter was on talking.

56:51SPEAKERHe had looked into this stuff.

56:52SPEAKERExtensively, their determination is that to get similar

56:55SPEAKERto what the PS5 Pro is offering in the GPU space,

56:58SPEAKERyou need a 4070.

56:59SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I thought.

57:00SPEAKER- Like a flat 4070 because on the AMD side,

57:03SPEAKERthere is no equivalent to DLSS yet.

57:06SPEAKERShipping in PC GPUs,

57:07SPEAKERlike obviously whatever is in the PS5 Pro has it,

57:10SPEAKERbut that's not on the market in PCs yet.

57:12SPEAKERSo like he said,

57:13SPEAKERhe said about a 4070 is what you would need in a PC.

57:15SPEAKERAnd the cheapest one of those he had could find at the time

57:18SPEAKERwas $550.

57:20SPEAKER- Yeah, that's where they start, it seems like.

57:22SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's out of $700,

57:25SPEAKERthat's 550 just devoted to the GPU.

57:27SPEAKERAnd then you still have to build the rest of the PC.

57:29SPEAKERSo like you're probably do get the same power.

57:31SPEAKERI mean, obviously you could get a lesser GPU

57:33SPEAKERand probably be fine,

57:34SPEAKERespecially if you're at 1080p or.

57:36SPEAKER- Yeah, if you're at 1080p, all bets are off, right?

57:38SPEAKER- Or even 1440,

57:39SPEAKERyou can get like a pretty modest card

57:40SPEAKERand run that these days.

57:41SPEAKERBut the whole promise of this thing is 4K.

57:43SPEAKERWhole promise of this thing is proper 4K resolution

57:46SPEAKERwith high frame rates.

57:47SPEAKERAnd to get that, you're gonna need,

57:49SPEAKERwith upscaling at least 4070.

57:51SPEAKERSo yeah, you're probably looking at like a thousand dollars.

57:56SPEAKERIf you don't have anything,

57:57SPEAKERif you're starting from scratch,

57:58SPEAKERyou're probably looking at like a thousand dollars

58:00SPEAKERto build a PC that's equivalent, I would guess.

58:03SPEAKER- I think you can hit a real good 1080p

58:06SPEAKERupscaled to 4K PC at that $700 price point.

58:11SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

58:12SPEAKERSo again, just to stress this yet again,

58:14SPEAKERin case anybody is misunderstanding,

58:16SPEAKERwe are specifically talking about matching

58:18SPEAKERthe power of the pro, like you can absolutely build

58:22SPEAKERa good gaming PC for less than that,

58:23SPEAKERbut it won't necessarily be able to do 4K 60.

58:27SPEAKER- So the other option I've been kind of getting obsessed

58:32SPEAKERwith, if you go to AliExpress, Brad,

58:35SPEAKERthere's a bunch of weird little motherboards

58:36SPEAKERwith like PCI express and the CPUs

58:39SPEAKERand memory just soldered on.

58:43SPEAKER- That seems like a natural outgrowth

58:45SPEAKERof the little like fanless X86 machines

58:48SPEAKERthey've been doing for years on there.

58:49SPEAKER- Yeah, and they're also like replacement motherboards

58:53SPEAKERfor like ThinkCentre machines and stuff like that.

58:55SPEAKER- Interesting.

58:57SPEAKER- But yeah, so like you could make something real weird

59:01SPEAKERand get a 4070 and one of those boards

59:04SPEAKERand an SSD for 700 bucks probably.

59:07SPEAKER- I need to start looking at that.

59:08SPEAKERI don't think I would necessarily buy one of those

59:10SPEAKERand use it as a main machine,

59:12SPEAKERbut that sounds very interesting.

59:14SPEAKER- Adam and I have been talking about figuring out

59:16SPEAKERwhat to do, like it'd be a perfect,

59:19SPEAKERhey, I want to put something in the living room.

59:20SPEAKERThat's a real computer, right?

59:21SPEAKERLike, we're trying to figure out what we're going to do.

59:25SPEAKERI want to do something with these for PC world

59:27SPEAKER'cause I think they're really weird and neat.

59:29SPEAKER- Can you give me an example of a good AliExpress search

59:32SPEAKERto turn some of these up?

59:33SPEAKER'Cause I'm mostly seeing like regular motherboards.

59:35SPEAKER- I just searched for AIO motherboard and then, yeah.

59:39SPEAKER- I need to see what these look like before we go.

59:41SPEAKER- They look weird, they're weird shapes.

59:43SPEAKERThey're not going to go in a case, right?

59:44SPEAKERIt's going to be a pain in the ass.

59:45SPEAKERThey're not standard form factor.

59:47SPEAKER- Some of them are, but there's also some

59:50SPEAKERthat are just like designed to go

59:51SPEAKERinto an HP Pavilion 24-A, 24-B.

59:55SPEAKER- Interesting, oh yeah, here is Fordell Inspirion

59:59SPEAKERor Inspiron 5490 type stuff, okay, yes, I see.

1:00:02SPEAKER- Yeah, there's weird products in this category.

1:00:05SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool, it's cool.

1:00:07SPEAKERThere are more options all the time.

1:00:08SPEAKER- But also, yeah, just to be clear,

1:00:11SPEAKERsome of these, like the Celeron ones are like $38.

1:00:14SPEAKERSo, you know, your mileage may vary.

1:00:18SPEAKER- Yeah, granted, you're not going to do

1:00:19SPEAKERa significant amount of high-end gaming on a Celeron, but.

1:00:22SPEAKER- I mean, you put the right video card in,

1:00:24SPEAKERit'll probably be fine.

1:00:24SPEAKER- It'll do something, sure.

1:00:27SPEAKER- I think that's as good a place as any

1:00:29SPEAKERto wrap it up this week.

1:00:30SPEAKERI think probably let's do more questions

1:00:31SPEAKERfor the Patreon episode.

1:00:32SPEAKERSo if you haven't gotten your fill of questions and answers,

1:00:35SPEAKERwe have a bazillion of them here.

1:00:38SPEAKERWe can also talk about how I managed

1:00:39SPEAKERto not get COVID this week despite living in a tiny house

1:00:42SPEAKERwith one person who had COVID for the last 12 days now,

1:00:46SPEAKER11 days now.

1:00:47SPEAKER- Did you get your shots yet?

1:00:48SPEAKER- No, I was going to, and then she got sick,

1:00:50SPEAKERand I was like, well, I don't want to get the shots until,

1:00:53SPEAKER'cause it turns out the pharmacy here was pretty booked.

1:00:56SPEAKERI was really pleasantly surprised.

1:00:58SPEAKERYeah, I wasn't able to get it.

1:00:59SPEAKERLike, at times I was able to go,

1:01:01SPEAKERI wasn't able to get an appointment.

1:01:02SPEAKERI could have gotten an appointment at an inconvenient time.

1:01:04SPEAKER- Extreme opposite here.

1:01:06SPEAKER- Oh, really?

1:01:06SPEAKER- I booked on Sunday for Tuesday.

1:01:08SPEAKERLike, I booked 48 hours out,

1:01:10SPEAKERand they had like a whole afternoon of appointments available.

1:01:12SPEAKER- Well, so Pacifica, we have two pharmacies,

1:01:15SPEAKERand one's at Walgreens, and Walgreens didn't have it,

1:01:17SPEAKERso the other one was slammed.

1:01:19SPEAKER- I see, okay.

1:01:20SPEAKER- Also, it's a Rite Aid,

1:01:21SPEAKERwhich I don't know if you've been in a Rite Aid lately,

1:01:23SPEAKERbut there's nothing on the shelves in Rite Aid

1:01:25SPEAKERbecause I think they're having credit problems.

1:01:27SPEAKER- That seems like, maybe drive up to the city for that.

1:01:30SPEAKER- Yeah, like I literally went in 'cause I was like,

1:01:33SPEAKERI wanted to get a bag of chips and some drinks

1:01:35SPEAKERto take to a picnic a couple of weeks ago,

1:01:37SPEAKERand they didn't have any potato,

1:01:40SPEAKERthey had like two bags of Funyuns,

1:01:42SPEAKERand one bag of Bugles, and a RC Cola,

1:01:46SPEAKERand I was like, I can't take any of,

1:01:48SPEAKERthis is gonna make me look like the cheapest bastard ever

1:01:51SPEAKERif I roll into a picnic with RC Cola and Funyuns.

1:01:54SPEAKERAnyway, if you have questions for the show,

1:01:57SPEAKERyou can send them to techpod@content.town.

1:01:59SPEAKERYou can post them

1:02:00SPEAKERin the Question Seeking Answers channel in the Discord.

1:02:02SPEAKERIf you are a member of our patron community,

1:02:05SPEAKERand if you aren't a member of our patron community,

1:02:07SPEAKERwhat are you waiting for?

1:02:09SPEAKERIt's a whole bunch of beautiful nerds.

1:02:10SPEAKERThe gift exchange is starting up now for the holidays.

1:02:16SPEAKERI dip in and out all day.

1:02:19SPEAKERThere's wonderful conversations happening all the time

1:02:21SPEAKERabout everything from what's going on

1:02:24SPEAKERin Apple's rollout of iOS 18,

1:02:27SPEAKERslow and stunted though it may be,

1:02:31SPEAKERto, what was it they were talking about yesterday?

1:02:35SPEAKERI walked in, I was like, oh, I didn't expect this

1:02:37SPEAKERto still be going.

1:02:38SPEAKERThere was a donut conversation the other day

1:02:40SPEAKERthat was really good.

1:02:40SPEAKERWe talked about our favorite kind of donuts,

1:02:42SPEAKERand I learned about new donuts that I didn't know had names.

1:02:45SPEAKER- I found out on the Discord yesterday

1:02:47SPEAKERthat Intel is kind of rushing out another BIOS update

1:02:49SPEAKERfor 13th and 14th gen,

1:02:51SPEAKER'cause now they've definitely actually found

1:02:53SPEAKERthe real problem now.

1:02:54SPEAKER- I think the next one's gonna be the final one,

1:02:57SPEAKER'cause the one that's out now is a beta.

1:03:00SPEAKERMaybe there's gonna be another beta before the final final.

1:03:02SPEAKER- Yeah, this sounded like this red,

1:03:04SPEAKERlike they had found another thing to fix,

1:03:06SPEAKERbut I'm not sure. - Oh, God.

1:03:08SPEAKER- I don't know.

1:03:09SPEAKERAnyway, it's a good place to stay up to date.

1:03:11SPEAKER- Yeah, you get to talk about things.

1:03:14SPEAKERLike I have been working on Docker permissions,

1:03:18SPEAKERand I realize that everybody now has problems

1:03:21SPEAKERwith Docker permissions across multiple machines,

1:03:23SPEAKERand that makes me feel better

1:03:24SPEAKERabout my eternal struggles with Docker permissions.

1:03:27SPEAKERAlso to the person who asked what is Docker,

1:03:29SPEAKERwe're gonna do, we have to do a Docker episode,

1:03:32SPEAKER'cause the time is now.

1:03:34SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I started to dabble with that stuff

1:03:37SPEAKERa couple months ago, and frankly,

1:03:39SPEAKERthis year has been a nightmare,

1:03:40SPEAKERand I have barely been able to touch it,

1:03:41SPEAKERbut at some point I will start digging into that stuff more.

1:03:45SPEAKER- Yeah, so anyway, that's it for this month.

1:03:48SPEAKERThank you to all of our patrons,

1:03:50SPEAKERbut a very special thank you

1:03:51SPEAKERto our executive producer tier patrons,

1:03:53SPEAKERincluding Andrew Slosky, Bunnyfiend, David Allen,

1:03:57SPEAKERJames Kamik, Jordan Lippett,

1:03:59SPEAKERPantheon, makers of the HS3 high-speed 3D printer,

1:04:01SPEAKERand Twinkle Twinkie, and to the person who asked

1:04:05SPEAKERif the funny patron names are funny for us

1:04:07SPEAKERor just annoying, I enjoy them.

1:04:10SPEAKERI don't know where Brad lands.

1:04:11SPEAKER- Oh, that's a highly permissive stance on those.

1:04:15SPEAKERThose are fun.

1:04:16SPEAKER- And since it's the end of the month,

1:04:17SPEAKERwe wanna give a shout out

1:04:18SPEAKERto our associate producer tier patrons,

1:04:19SPEAKERincluding Alejandro Navarro, Andre Amberg,

1:04:23SPEAKERAndrew Dicey Scholdyce, Arthur Gies, Ben Tolman,

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1:04:29SPEAKEREric, Eric Klein, Felix Kramer,

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1:04:46SPEAKERThank you all so much.

1:04:47SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.

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