00:00SPEAKER- Brad, I've done it again.
00:01SPEAKER- What have you done again?
00:02SPEAKER- I clickered.
00:04SPEAKER- You clickered?
00:05SPEAKER- I clickered.
00:06SPEAKER- That sounds either gross or offensive,
00:07SPEAKERor both maybe, or maybe sublime.
00:10SPEAKER- I mean, they'll see, look, man, it's a problem.
00:13SPEAKERFirst, first somebody was like,
00:15SPEAKER"Hey, you should check out this Rusty's retirement game.
00:16SPEAKER"It's pretty cool.
00:17SPEAKER"It lives on the bottom third of your screen."
00:19SPEAKERAnd it's like a farming clicker,
00:22SPEAKERand it's just there all the time,
00:23SPEAKERand it makes little happy noises,
00:25SPEAKERand you plant vegetables, and that was bad.
00:29SPEAKERBut that was fast.
00:30SPEAKERThat was like a weekend, right?
00:32SPEAKER- Any game designed to be played that passively
00:34SPEAKERthat only needs a third of your screen
00:36SPEAKERsounds pretty dangerous to me.
00:37SPEAKER- Look, it's a good one of those.
00:42SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
00:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
00:44SPEAKER- Is this a fake desktop they are showing
00:46SPEAKERin these screenshots,
00:46SPEAKERor is that like a legitimate-- - No, that's a desktop-esque
00:48SPEAKERdesktop.
00:49SPEAKER- That's an actual Windows, oh my God,
00:50SPEAKERthis is the most devious thing I think I've ever seen.
00:53SPEAKER- It's brilliant and evil and very good,
00:56SPEAKERbut look, I'm pretty reasonably sure
00:59SPEAKERit's a small indie game made by two people,
01:01SPEAKERso you should buy it if you like that kind of game,
01:03SPEAKERbut also don't.
01:05SPEAKERBut then when I was looking at that,
01:08SPEAKERthe reason somebody recommended that to me
01:10SPEAKERis 'cause I was like,
01:11SPEAKER"Oh, I tried out this other clicker,
01:14SPEAKER"and then I immediately realized
01:15SPEAKER"it was gonna be a mistake, so I stopped playing it,
01:18SPEAKER"and that's when they recommended Rusty to me."
01:21SPEAKERAnd then I went back to the one
01:23SPEAKERthat I had originally touched and stepped away from
01:25SPEAKER'cause the fire was too hot.
01:26SPEAKERIt's called 64.
01:27SPEAKER- New rule 64?
01:29SPEAKER- No, Arabic word spelled out words, 60 space four, I think.
01:33SPEAKER- Latin characters? - Yeah, Latin.
01:35SPEAKERI mean, it's English, I guess, but yeah.
01:37SPEAKERIt's real good, Brad, it's a good clicker.
01:39SPEAKERYou click a little bit for a minute,
01:41SPEAKERand then you build machines,
01:43SPEAKERand you have to arrange your machines
01:45SPEAKERin a way to optimize the clicking.
01:47SPEAKER- This looks highly technical.
01:49SPEAKER- And then you have to,
01:51SPEAKERthere's different ways to automate
01:53SPEAKERthe things that you have to click,
01:54SPEAKERso you have to click them instead of like 64 times,
01:57SPEAKERyou only click them once,
01:58SPEAKERand then the machine clicks them 64 times.
02:00SPEAKER- Is this, is this clicking with the aim
02:04SPEAKERof achieving like Kardashev scale level two type thing?
02:07SPEAKER'Cause that's kind of what this looks like.
02:08SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you that the mysteries of the universe
02:12SPEAKERare unfolding all around us every day, Brad.
02:14SPEAKER- What's the, God, A, what is happening to my memory?
02:17SPEAKERB, what is the name of the--
02:18SPEAKER- Paper clips?
02:20SPEAKER- Well, I guess that's kind of a colloquial name for it.
02:22SPEAKERIt's named after a guy, though,
02:24SPEAKERthe idea of like self-perpetuating spacecrafts,
02:28SPEAKERspace probes.
02:30SPEAKER- von Neumann machines.
02:31SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, yes, von Neumann or von Neumann.
02:33SPEAKER- This is not von Neumann machine-esque.
02:35SPEAKERThis does not go there.
02:36SPEAKERThis may be, if anything,
02:38SPEAKERI would say it's slight spoilers.
02:41SPEAKERIt seems like maybe it's trending in the other direction.
02:43SPEAKER- Okay, interesting.
02:45SPEAKERDude, I have no idea that clickers were this common
02:48SPEAKERand this varied on Steam.
02:50SPEAKERThis is dangerous.
02:51SPEAKER- This is, oh, there's a lot of them.
02:53SPEAKERWell, like adventure capitalist and adventure communist
02:56SPEAKERkind of kicked off Steam clickers.
02:59SPEAKER- I played a lot of adventure capitalist on PlayStation,
03:01SPEAKERas a matter of fact, because you could manipulate
03:04SPEAKERthe system clock to do stupid things.
03:06SPEAKER- Oh, man.
03:07SPEAKERSo I played a bunch of adventure capitalist on the PC
03:10SPEAKERbecause I just left it running in the background
03:12SPEAKERfor days and days and days.
03:13SPEAKER- Yeah, so you didn't have to do that when on a system
03:15SPEAKERwhere they didn't account for setting the clock ahead
03:17SPEAKER50 years, for example.
03:19SPEAKER- Oh, man.
03:19SPEAKERAlso, I had no idea they had made adventure communist.
03:22SPEAKERThat's hilarious.
03:23SPEAKER- Adventure communist is more,
03:25SPEAKERfor people who don't know, clickers are games
03:27SPEAKERthat usually start by clicking a thing
03:29SPEAKERand then that gives you currency,
03:30SPEAKERwhich you use to buy a thing that automates the clicking
03:32SPEAKERand then shit gets wild generally.
03:34SPEAKER- Yes, just repeat what you just said like 500 times.
03:37SPEAKER- And like 15 layers or 20 layers.
03:41SPEAKERNewer ones, like they're economy simulators kind of.
03:45SPEAKERThey're tech trees with an economy attached, basically.
03:48SPEAKERAnd that's kind of the entirety of the game,
03:50SPEAKERexcept for this one has some Factorio business
03:52SPEAKERwhere you have to connect stuff to different things
03:54SPEAKERand like putting things next to each other
03:55SPEAKERand discovering the optimal layouts and like.
03:59SPEAKER- This is, we might have to stop talking.
04:02SPEAKER- What?
04:02SPEAKER- Since we started this cold open,
04:04SPEAKERI have begun downloading Rusty's Retirement and 64.
04:07SPEAKERI think we should start this podcast.
04:08SPEAKER- I hear the clicking already.
04:10SPEAKER(upbeat music)
04:18SPEAKER(upbeat music)
04:39SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.
04:42SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
04:42SPEAKERClick, click, click, click, click.
04:43SPEAKEROh, you beat me too, hang on.
04:46SPEAKERMy mouse is wireless, so it gets up there.
04:49SPEAKERYeah, there you go.
04:50SPEAKERWhat do you got?
04:51SPEAKERYou got the kale switches in there?
04:53SPEAKERYou got a--
04:54SPEAKER- Wait, did you replace the switches in your mouse?
04:56SPEAKER- I replaced the switches in my old mouse.
04:58SPEAKERThis mouse, I have not had to replace the switches in yet.
05:00SPEAKER- Also, I wonder if that clicking
05:01SPEAKERmight just get gated out here, but anyway.
05:04SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's a, I'll save it from the gate
05:09SPEAKERwhen I run the gate.
05:10SPEAKER- Great.
05:10SPEAKER- But yeah, welcome everybody.
05:11SPEAKERHi, I'm Will.
05:13SPEAKERWe're doing a podcast today about,
05:15SPEAKERI guess this is like electric cars part two.
05:18SPEAKER- Really?
05:19SPEAKERI really wanted to do the Bob Barker thing
05:22SPEAKERwhen you said we're doing a podcast about a new car.
05:30SPEAKER- Yeah, so we, A, it's been three years.
05:33SPEAKERI bought a, I got at least a Bolt actually,
05:36SPEAKERwhich is why it's been three years in April.
05:38SPEAKER- No idea how it has been three years
05:40SPEAKERsince we did that Bolt episode, that feels like last year.
05:42SPEAKER- It was April of 2021.
05:45SPEAKERAnd it was the first time I'd had an electric car.
05:47SPEAKERWe'd been ICE cars, internal combustion engine car people
05:51SPEAKERfor every, up until that point.
05:53SPEAKERNever even had a Wankel rotary.
05:56SPEAKER- I'm sorry, a what?
05:57SPEAKER- A Wankel rotary.
05:58SPEAKERIt's the RX-7 motor.
05:59SPEAKERIt's got, instead of having pistons
06:02SPEAKERand a camshaft that moves up and down,
06:04SPEAKERit's got a triangular wedge inside a circle
06:08SPEAKERand two sides have gas pumped into them at a time
06:10SPEAKERand it explodes and makes the rotary part go around.
06:14SPEAKER- Is that common in regular, commercial automobiles?
06:16SPEAKER- Only RX-7s, as far as I know.
06:18SPEAKERIt was an English thing, I think.
06:20SPEAKERBut the Mazda RX-7 famously.
06:22SPEAKERI say this with extreme confidence
06:25SPEAKERand I'm suddenly questioning myself.
06:27SPEAKERWankel, yeah, Wankel rotary engine.
06:32SPEAKERI'm looking this up on the internet as we type.
06:34SPEAKERThis is the best kind of podcast.
06:37SPEAKERIt is, oh, maybe it's German.
06:40SPEAKER- Wankel?
06:41SPEAKER- I assumed it was English.
06:42SPEAKERYeah, it doesn't say what cars they're in on the Wikipedia
06:44SPEAKERpage, so. - That's fine.
06:45SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, Suzuki, Alfa Romeo.
06:48SPEAKER- Sounds sporty.
06:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I think they had interesting acceleration profiles
06:52SPEAKERbecause there's no lag.
06:56SPEAKERMazda has one in their Mazda museum in Hiroshima,
07:00SPEAKERwhich leads me to believe it is in the RX-7.
07:03SPEAKERI'm pretty sure that's right.
07:04SPEAKERAnyway, but we're talking about my new car,
07:06SPEAKERnot the Wankel rotary engine.
07:08SPEAKER- Yeah, that's very last century.
07:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you have questions about,
07:13SPEAKERwe're not gonna recap a lot of the stuff.
07:15SPEAKERThe first episode, electric car episode, was episode 88,
07:19SPEAKERwhich was way back in like May or June of 2021.
07:24SPEAKER- Yeah, May 2021.
07:25SPEAKERThe title, I can tell you,
07:26SPEAKERit just makes the lithium angrier, I believe was the title.
07:29SPEAKEREpisode 88, I'm sure we were pulled up.
07:32SPEAKER- I have no idea what we're talking about there,
07:33SPEAKERbut we get into the basics, like how charging works,
07:37SPEAKERhow the electric motor and a generator are basically
07:43SPEAKERthe same thing, whether current comes out
07:44SPEAKERbecause the shaft moves or the shaft moves
07:48SPEAKERbecause current goes in.
07:49SPEAKERAnd that means you can do things like regeneratively break
07:53SPEAKERby turning off the electricity into the motor
07:55SPEAKERand letting it go back into the battery.
08:00SPEAKERWe talk about the charging standards, the L1, L2, L3.
08:03SPEAKERL1 is 120 volt, like 12 to 15-ish amp charging,
08:08SPEAKERwhich you can do on most any wall plug in North America
08:13SPEAKERor your region of choice.
08:15SPEAKERL2 is 240 volt, faster charging.
08:20SPEAKERSo L1 is like 50 plus hours to charge from zero to full.
08:25SPEAKERL2 is gonna be eight-ish hours to charge from low to full.
08:30SPEAKERAnd L3 is DC charging.
08:31SPEAKERSo those are both, L1 and L2 are AC charging.
08:34SPEAKERAnd then there's a brick that changes the AC to DC
08:36SPEAKERfor the car or the car changes AC to DC internally,
08:39SPEAKERdepending on the car.
08:40SPEAKERL3 is DC fast charging.
08:42SPEAKERSo that's when you plug into like a big giant charging box,
08:47SPEAKERlike outside Walmart or Costco or something.
08:50SPEAKERAnd that'll charge you in like 20 minutes.
08:53SPEAKERAnd in some cases, it depends on the car.
08:55SPEAKER- Yeah, we also talked in that episode
08:57SPEAKERabout one of the things I found most interesting,
08:59SPEAKERwhich was the state of the charging network at the time,
09:01SPEAKERthe charging infrastructure that's out there
09:03SPEAKERand the like apps, the phone-based methods
09:05SPEAKERof like finding your nearest charger
09:07SPEAKERif you need to charge very badly.
09:09SPEAKERWe might touch on that in this episode.
09:10SPEAKERI'm sure that has evolved rapidly in three years.
09:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, we should talk about it now
09:14SPEAKER'cause it's the biggest change, honestly.
09:17SPEAKERIt's like, well, there are two things that change.
09:19SPEAKEROne is there's a lot more EVs on the road,
09:21SPEAKERso more people are competing for the spaces that are there.
09:24SPEAKERBut also there are more providers
09:27SPEAKERbuilding out more network kind of constantly.
09:30SPEAKERSo the first time we drove down to L.A. from San Francisco,
09:35SPEAKERwhich is about, I don't know, 400.
09:39SPEAKERWhere we were going south of L.A.,
09:40SPEAKERit's about 500 miles door-to-door.
09:43SPEAKERSo that was three charge stops on the Bolt.
09:45SPEAKERAnd there were a really limited number of places
09:48SPEAKERwe could stop and plug in on the way on five,
09:53SPEAKERwhich was frankly kind of intense.
09:56SPEAKERIt was a little bit nerve-wracking.
09:57SPEAKER- Yeah, meanwhile, I should point out,
10:00SPEAKERwe went to that electronics flea market a couple weeks ago,
10:02SPEAKERwhich was at West Valley College in Saratoga.
10:05SPEAKERThey just had a bunch of chargers there in the parking lot
10:07SPEAKERat this small local college.
10:09SPEAKER- Well, so that's kind of common at local.
10:11SPEAKERThose are L2 chargers.
10:12SPEAKERThose are the mid-speed ones, like the overnight chargers.
10:16SPEAKERAnd that's pretty common.
10:17SPEAKERThe community college up the hill from my house
10:20SPEAKERhas L2 chargers you can use if you go there
10:23SPEAKERor if you pay them money, I guess.
10:27SPEAKER- The DC chargers are,
10:31SPEAKERat the time that we recorded that first episode,
10:33SPEAKERwere infrequent and kind of unreliable.
10:36SPEAKERLike the winter of 2021, we went to Tahoe
10:39SPEAKERand the nearest DC charger to the place that we were staying
10:43SPEAKERdidn't work at all.
10:45SPEAKERAnd when I called them and they were like,
10:46SPEAKER"Oh yeah, the temperature's too cold for it."
10:47SPEAKERAnd it wasn't cold.
10:48SPEAKERIt was like 30, right?
10:49SPEAKERI mean, it's cold, but it's not cold for up there.
10:52SPEAKERAnd it's not like it was buried in snow or anything.
10:54SPEAKERIt just was busted.
10:55SPEAKER- Yeah, and crucially, it's not the same kind of cold
10:58SPEAKERyou need to screw up a combustion engine trip necessarily.
11:02SPEAKERJust in terms of a lot of people looking at switching to EVs
11:06SPEAKERare gonna want to know how every single thing about EV
11:08SPEAKERcompares to what they're used to.
11:10SPEAKERAnd so that's the kind of thing you have to take
11:11SPEAKERinto account that you might not have to have before.
11:14SPEAKER- Yeah, so in the time since then, it's gotten much better.
11:17SPEAKERLike the charger networks everywhere we've driven,
11:20SPEAKERwhich is basically like from Mendocino up north
11:23SPEAKERdown to Palm Springs and a little bit south of there,
11:28SPEAKERit has been quite good.
11:30SPEAKERTahoe, there's multiple new charging infrastructures.
11:34SPEAKEREven some of the old chargers that existed
11:37SPEAKERthe first trip that we drove down to LA
11:39SPEAKERhave been replaced now with second or third gen versions
11:43SPEAKERof the respective company's charging infrastructure.
11:46SPEAKERAnd they've started doing things like putting shade
11:48SPEAKERon the newer ones so that the chargers aren't sitting
11:51SPEAKERin 120 degree sun in the California Central Valley
11:54SPEAKERin the summer and charging at a trickle speed
11:57SPEAKERas a result of overheating.
11:58SPEAKERSo that whole thing has gotten a lot better.
12:00SPEAKERAlso, the other thing that's happened
12:02SPEAKERis most of the manufacturers are embracing
12:04SPEAKERthe Tesla plug standard, which is called NACS.
12:09SPEAKERAnd newer cars, my car still has the old CCS plug,
12:13SPEAKERthe kind of, I want to say classic, it's not the original,
12:18SPEAKERthe original Chon emo which Nissan uses.
12:22SPEAKERBut yeah, the CCS, you can get plugs for that everywhere.
12:28SPEAKERThey're opening the Tesla infrastructure to cars
12:34SPEAKERkind of in waves, to different vendors in waves.
12:37SPEAKERAnd it seems like it's as, I say this,
12:41SPEAKERand I'm being hesitant not because the plan is unclear,
12:45SPEAKERbut because Elon Musk is a little bit of a wild card.
12:49SPEAKER- Mercurial.
12:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and also apparently sacked most
12:52SPEAKERof the supercharger team recently,
12:54SPEAKERso who knows if this stuff will actually happen.
12:56SPEAKER- Yeah, but then turned around and desperately tried
12:57SPEAKERto hire most of them back as fast as possible.
13:00SPEAKER- The classic, classic bad layoff sign
13:03SPEAKERis when you fire a bunch of people
13:04SPEAKERand then you have to hire them back
13:07SPEAKER'cause you'd realize that they were important.
13:09SPEAKERAnyway, the deal with the vendors is I believe
13:14SPEAKERthat when you start shipping cars
13:17SPEAKERthat have NACS plugs on them,
13:19SPEAKERthose cars have access to supercharger from day one.
13:22SPEAKERAnd then the back fleet, like my car,
13:24SPEAKERwhich has a CCS port, will get adapters
13:27SPEAKERshipped in the mail later.
13:27SPEAKERThat's how it's working with Hyundai.
13:28SPEAKERI think that's how it worked with Ford as well.
13:31SPEAKERMakes sense.
13:32SPEAKERThe upshot though is that there's a lot more places
13:36SPEAKERto plug in now than there were three years ago.
13:39SPEAKEREven the classic example is that from Grapevine,
13:43SPEAKERfrom where you go up Grapevine on five,
13:45SPEAKERwhich is this big, long uphill climb,
13:47SPEAKERthat if you don't have enough battery to get up
13:48SPEAKERwhen you start, you have a real problem
13:50SPEAKER'cause there's no chargers for about 60 miles after that.
13:53SPEAKERNow there's four chargers along that route
13:56SPEAKERat the top of the hill before you come down
13:58SPEAKERinto Santa Clarita, which is the entry to LA basically.
14:02SPEAKER- Yeah, real quick, same question
14:04SPEAKERabout both the Tesla charger, the NACS plug,
14:06SPEAKERand also their charging stations.
14:09SPEAKERIs there an inherent benefit to those?
14:11SPEAKERAre they better in some fashion than other
14:13SPEAKERcompeting standards, or is it just on the plug side,
14:16SPEAKERis it just everybody needs to standardize on one plug
14:18SPEAKERand for the chargers, is it just that there are
14:20SPEAKERmore of them out there?
14:21SPEAKER- So as with many things in the Tesla ecosystem,
14:24SPEAKERwhen they launched, they were really, really good,
14:26SPEAKERand now everybody else has caught up,
14:29SPEAKERand in some cases exceeded.
14:30SPEAKERSo I think the Tesla chargers cap out at 500 volts,
14:34SPEAKERwhereas the EVGo and the Electrify Americas
14:37SPEAKERwill go up to 800 for the cars, it's a handful of cars,
14:41SPEAKERlike the newer Hyundai's, I think there's a Cadillac
14:44SPEAKERand maybe a Porsche that will do 800 volt charging.
14:49SPEAKERBasically, for all intents and purposes,
14:52SPEAKEReverything's pretty equivalent.
14:55SPEAKERWhen we have access to the superchargers,
14:58SPEAKERI'm probably gonna go with the Electrify Americas
15:00SPEAKERjust 'cause we're an 800 volt car and it'll be faster,
15:03SPEAKERbut in a pinch, everything works.
15:05SPEAKER- Okay, so it's mainly a matter of just expanding
15:07SPEAKERthe amount of capacity out there or the number of locations?
15:10SPEAKER- Yeah, and like four years ago, it was a different story
15:13SPEAKER'cause Tesla was charging faster
15:14SPEAKERthan most everybody else in the market,
15:16SPEAKERand they've lost, as with most things,
15:19SPEAKERthey've lost that lead now because they're not--
15:22SPEAKER- So maybe not running a responsible business.
15:24SPEAKER- Maybe the person who's in charge is paying attention
15:26SPEAKERto other shit instead of the cars.
15:28SPEAKERAnyway, so we ended up leasing another EV.
15:32SPEAKERWe're kind of, my feeling is still that while this one
15:36SPEAKERis closer to what we definitely want for a longer term car,
15:40SPEAKERwe're still seeing enough advancements in a three-year period
15:44SPEAKERthat I'm comfortable paying a little bit of a premium
15:48SPEAKERto not be stuck with this car for six years.
15:52SPEAKER- And I'm sure it's easier with lower ongoing costs, right?
15:56SPEAKERLike that softens the blow of the lease,
15:59SPEAKERthe overhead on the lease a little bit
16:00SPEAKERwhen you're not kind of maintenance and presumably fuel,
16:03SPEAKERquote, unquote, or not as much.
16:05SPEAKER- Yeah, the cost on fuel is really low.
16:07SPEAKERThe maintenance is basically nothing.
16:08SPEAKERWe have to rotate the tires.
16:10SPEAKERWhile we have this car, we'll rotate the tires
16:12SPEAKERlike three or four times, I think.
16:15SPEAKERAnd yeah, it's like there's no oil changes.
16:19SPEAKERThere's no brakes for all intents and purposes
16:23SPEAKER'cause we use regenerative braking.
16:24SPEAKERAnd the maintenance stuff that you normally have to do
16:27SPEAKERwith a gas car just doesn't exist with electrics,
16:30SPEAKERwhich is quite nice.
16:31SPEAKERI think I put washer fluid in the bolt one time.
16:34SPEAKER- That's pretty low overhead.
16:36SPEAKER- It's pretty straightforward.
16:38SPEAKERSo we got a 2024 Limited IONIQ 5,
16:42SPEAKERwhich is their kind of crossover.
16:44SPEAKERIt's not really an SUV,
16:45SPEAKERbut it's kind of like a tall station wagon.
16:48SPEAKER- Is that the term crossover?
16:49SPEAKERIs that just like, you see sometimes on like Twitter,
16:53SPEAKERyou'll see some car guys will post a very sneering
16:58SPEAKERkind of meme that basically just shows
17:00SPEAKERlike 20 different cars from 20 different makers
17:03SPEAKERthat are all basically the same car.
17:04SPEAKERLike it's just kind of lamenting the death
17:06SPEAKERof different body styles.
17:07SPEAKEREverybody just makes the same fucking car now.
17:09SPEAKERIs that what it is, the crossover?
17:11SPEAKER- Yeah, the crossover is it's like a tall station wagon,
17:13SPEAKERbasically, is how I would put it probably.
17:15SPEAKERIt's-
17:16SPEAKER- Or kind of a squashed sport utility a little bit.
17:19SPEAKER- Maybe, but I mean, I guess you can get this
17:21SPEAKERin all wheel drive, which makes it, it puts it in sport
17:23SPEAKERutility territory, but it doesn't feel like
17:25SPEAKERit has the ground clearance to like, I wouldn't,
17:28SPEAKERI wouldn't go mud in this thing,
17:30SPEAKEReven if I had bought the all wheel drive version.
17:33SPEAKERSo we got the limited rear wheel drive extended range,
17:36SPEAKERjust 'cause for us, the range is really key.
17:40SPEAKERI like to not have to stop a whole lot
17:42SPEAKERwhen we're doing longer trips and more ranges, fewer stops.
17:46SPEAKERIt's about 315 miles is I think what the EPA says,
17:51SPEAKERwhich is based on a combination of city
17:54SPEAKERand highway driving, the way they calculate range
17:56SPEAKERfor EVs is really weird and complicated.
17:58SPEAKERThe upshot is if you drive 60 miles an hour,
18:02SPEAKERyou'll get close to that on the highway,
18:04SPEAKERbut more, generally speaking, you'll get more range
18:07SPEAKERwhere you're regenerating more, so stopping and going.
18:11SPEAKERIf you drive 75 miles an hour the whole time,
18:13SPEAKERyou're not gonna ever see 300 miles.
18:15SPEAKER- Right, which is, that's another one of the things
18:16SPEAKERyou're just gonna have to recalibrate your expectations,
18:18SPEAKER'cause that's kind of the opposite of combustion cars, right?
18:21SPEAKERWhat, generally you get better on the highway
18:23SPEAKERand worse in town?
18:24SPEAKER- Well, you get better on the highway,
18:25SPEAKERbut there's a wall above 55 miles an hour
18:28SPEAKERwhere air resistance starts impacting your mileage a lot.
18:30SPEAKERThis is why the, this is why the feds changed
18:33SPEAKERthe speed limit to 55 in the '70s during the gas crunch.
18:37SPEAKER- Interesting.
18:38SPEAKER- But yeah, so you do need to recalibrate your expectations
18:45SPEAKERabout sometimes going faster is actually slower,
18:48SPEAKER'cause it means you're gonna have to stop and charge more.
18:51SPEAKERSo for example, driving to LA, you can go down five,
18:54SPEAKERwhich is in the Central Valley.
18:55SPEAKERIn the summertime it's 120 degrees.
18:58SPEAKERYou go, if you're not going 70 miles an hour,
19:00SPEAKERyou're gonna get run over on that highway.
19:03SPEAKERYou can alternately go down 101, which goes down the coast.
19:06SPEAKERIt's 40 degrees cooler, 50 degrees cooler maybe.
19:09SPEAKERThere's a fewer, it's a little bit longer.
19:12SPEAKERYou end up coming through the downtown part of LA,
19:15SPEAKERwhich adds some time because of traffic,
19:18SPEAKERbut if you took the LA traffic out of it,
19:21SPEAKERit would be way faster to drive an extra 100 miles
19:24SPEAKERbecause you're not going as fast
19:25SPEAKERand you're charging less frequently.
19:27SPEAKERSo you have fewer charge stops, generally speaking.
19:29SPEAKERSo anyway, it's a different,
19:34SPEAKERlike I said on the Bolt episode,
19:35SPEAKERdriving electrics feel like a different kind of car.
19:37SPEAKERYeah, there's no transmission, right?
19:39SPEAKERThere's, well, there's a, it's a one-speed transmission.
19:42SPEAKER- Right.
19:43SPEAKER- So you go from, you're using the same gear
19:45SPEAKERas whether you're going 75 miles an hour
19:46SPEAKERor two miles an hour, and that feels weird
19:49SPEAKERwhen you're used to having like shift lag,
19:51SPEAKERwhen you're shifting an automatic or manual transmission.
19:54SPEAKERIt's, there's a lot of adjustment.
19:57SPEAKERSo the one we got, we got the Limited
19:59SPEAKER'cause we wanted the glass roof and the rear AC
20:02SPEAKERand the, and board charger and all that stuff.
20:06SPEAKERI think the SEL is the, is their kind of sweet spot package
20:09SPEAKERfor if you're looking for deals.
20:11SPEAKERThey're selling a kind of ridiculous number of these cars,
20:14SPEAKERand even though they're not manufactured in the US,
20:16SPEAKERHyundai is eating the $7,500 tax credit that you get
20:20SPEAKERif you get a car that's primarily made in the US,
20:23SPEAKERat least until their Georgia plant comes online,
20:25SPEAKERat which point they'll stop shipping cars across from Korea
20:27SPEAKERand start making them in Georgia.
20:29SPEAKER- Yeah, do you know, is this the most popular EV
20:32SPEAKERin the country at the moment?
20:34SPEAKER- It's, it has been selling,
20:36SPEAKERI saw an article yesterday, a headline yesterday,
20:38SPEAKERand I couldn't find the article again.
20:39SPEAKERI think that's what it said,
20:41SPEAKERwas that this was the most popular EV
20:43SPEAKERfor the last three months, in terms of sales.
20:47SPEAKERThey're, it's a, they're doing good deals.
20:50SPEAKERIt's a pretty good price.
20:51SPEAKERI think the base is like 53K
20:54SPEAKERbefore you get all the incentive stuff.
20:57SPEAKERAnd it's a really nice car.
20:59SPEAKERLike it's a much nicer car than you're gonna get at 53,
21:02SPEAKERat that price, you know,
21:04SPEAKEReven when we jacked up to the fancy version,
21:07SPEAKERit's still way cheaper than a comparable Ford or,
21:11SPEAKERlike Chevrolet doesn't really have anything in this space.
21:14SPEAKERThe, the, the EV Blazer is a kind of POS.
21:18SPEAKERIt's, this is the one that's reviewing best
21:22SPEAKERof the, of the, this year's models,
21:23SPEAKERis kind of the thing for a family, family-friendly car.
21:26SPEAKER- Yeah, anecdotally, I also get the sense
21:28SPEAKERthat people who have these are very into them.
21:30SPEAKERThere's a devoted following.
21:31SPEAKER- Yeah, the Ionic subreddit is crazy active
21:35SPEAKERand full of like, it's the,
21:37SPEAKERit's maybe the most computer Reddit subreddit
21:40SPEAKERof all of them I've ever seen.
21:41SPEAKER'Cause it's like, this morning,
21:42SPEAKERsomebody posted a picture of a tire and they were like,
21:46SPEAKERhey, is this normal?
21:47SPEAKERShould I be worried about this?
21:48SPEAKERShould I try to get the warranty hit on this tire?
21:50SPEAKERAnd, and they were like,
21:54SPEAKERyeah, like first five people were like,
21:56SPEAKERno, don't be, you're being crazy.
21:57SPEAKERJust don't worry about it.
21:58SPEAKERAnd then the other guy was like,
21:59SPEAKERokay, that's kind of a big divot.
22:01SPEAKERYou should like put some soap bubbles around it,
22:04SPEAKERsee if it's leaking.
22:05SPEAKERAnd if it's not leaking, then, you know,
22:08SPEAKERtake something like a small screwdriver
22:09SPEAKERand wedge it apart to see if you can see belts or anything.
22:11SPEAKERIf you can see belts, you need to replace the tire.
22:13SPEAKERSo it's like, okay, this is, this is a,
22:16SPEAKERthis is computer people.
22:17SPEAKERI understand these people.
22:19SPEAKER- A lot of people who spend most of the time
22:20SPEAKERbehind their desk, suddenly on the road a lot more.
22:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
22:24SPEAKERSo the last thing is we, the, the,
22:27SPEAKERthe extended range, they have two batteries for this year.
22:30SPEAKERThey changing them a little bit next year,
22:32SPEAKERbut it's a 58 kilowatt hour or a 72.2 kilowatt hour battery.
22:38SPEAKERWe got the 72.2 'cause that's what,
22:39SPEAKERthat's what the extended range version is.
22:41SPEAKERAnd if you choose,
22:42SPEAKERyou can get that big battery with the all wheel drive,
22:45SPEAKERbut that knocks a little bit of range off
22:46SPEAKER'cause there's extra weight for the front motors.
22:49SPEAKER- Yeah. And I, I went over the, the notes from,
22:51SPEAKERfrom the previous episode.
22:52SPEAKERThe weight is super duper important in EVs
22:56SPEAKERin a way it's not with combustion.
22:57SPEAKER- Yeah. And, and the neat thing about the,
23:00SPEAKERwhat Hyundai has done is they're building
23:02SPEAKERa kind of core chassis.
23:04SPEAKERIt's the same thing that Tesla did where the model three
23:06SPEAKERand the model Y and the model X and the model S
23:08SPEAKERshare the same frame and battery structure
23:11SPEAKERand motor placement.
23:12SPEAKERAnd then they just changed the body on top.
23:15SPEAKERThe, the, Hyundai is doing that for the Onik five and six.
23:18SPEAKERAnd I think some of the Kias as well, I can't remember,
23:20SPEAKERor the Kona rather, not, not the Kia, the Kona, apologies.
23:27SPEAKERSo yeah. So the like things that, things that I like,
23:29SPEAKERwe've been, we've had it for a couple of months now.
23:31SPEAKERWe've gone some,
23:33SPEAKERwe drove a hundred miles the day that you and I drove down
23:36SPEAKERto the flea market.
23:37SPEAKERWe drove out to the Valley for, for a weekend once,
23:40SPEAKERwe drove up to go camping with it.
23:43SPEAKERIt's, it's a neat car.
23:44SPEAKERIt's, it's much nicer in a lot of ways than the Bolt,
23:47SPEAKERbut kind of the thing, the,
23:49SPEAKERthe thing that I liked about the Bolt is it was pretty
23:51SPEAKERstripped down and bare bones and simple.
23:53SPEAKERAnd this is definitely not that.
23:58SPEAKER- Yeah. Like you get that impression the second you get in
24:00SPEAKERand see that heads up display in the dash.
24:03SPEAKER- Yeah. It's got a heads, it's, well,
24:05SPEAKERit's got a big entertainment, like a big console.
24:07SPEAKER- Yeah. To be clear, actually, there,
24:09SPEAKERthere are two things there.
24:09SPEAKERIt does have a literal project on the windshield heads up
24:12SPEAKERdisplay, which is not what I meant.
24:13SPEAKERCause you can't see that from the passenger seat,
24:15SPEAKERbut I meant the,
24:17SPEAKERwhat is the actual term for where the speedometer?
24:18SPEAKER- Entertainment, like the in dash unit.
24:21SPEAKERIt has two screens.
24:22SPEAKER- Yeah. Yes. That's, that's what it is.
24:23SPEAKERI mean, and obviously the dash is not the most important
24:26SPEAKERthing in a brand new EV in terms of interesting things to
24:28SPEAKERtalk about, but when you get in the car,
24:30SPEAKERthat screen spans basically the entire width of the dash.
24:33SPEAKER- Yeah. But it's, it's also not a big,
24:36SPEAKERit's not a big tall one. Like, like, like Tesla tends to do.
24:39SPEAKERSo Tesla puts a big,
24:40SPEAKERit looks like just a 24 inch monitor on their,
24:43SPEAKERon the center of their, of their dashboard.
24:46SPEAKERThis one has two kind of half height screens.
24:49SPEAKERThey're like, they're like 21 by nine aspect ratio or
24:51SPEAKERsomething.
24:53SPEAKEROne is behind the wheel where you would normally have your
24:55SPEAKERconsole stuff.
24:56SPEAKERThe other is on the center and it's accessible to both the,
24:59SPEAKERboth the people in the front seat pretty easily.
25:01SPEAKERThe one in the center is where all like the entertainment
25:03SPEAKERand all the touchscreen stuff happens.
25:05SPEAKERThe one behind this, the steering wheel,
25:08SPEAKERI don't think is a touchscreen.
25:09SPEAKERI haven't tried to touch it when I think about it, but.
25:11SPEAKER- That seems a little fraught.
25:12SPEAKER- It would be,
25:13SPEAKERit would be weird if that was a touchscreen to me.
25:15SPEAKER- Yeah. I pulled up some pictures.
25:16SPEAKERI need to correct myself.
25:17SPEAKERIt is not even remotely the width of the whole dash.
25:19SPEAKERIt's just how it is in my mind.
25:21SPEAKERIt has inflated to that size because it's so striking.
25:24SPEAKER- Yeah. I think it would,
25:25SPEAKERI think it would block your airbag if it was in the,
25:26SPEAKERin the front there, but yeah, it's, it's,
25:31SPEAKERthe screen's nice. It's fast.
25:32SPEAKERThe in unit stuff is, I'm kind of up and down on it.
25:36SPEAKERWe'll talk about that in a little bit,
25:37SPEAKERbut the main thing for me is that the car is pretty fun to
25:40SPEAKERdrive despite being fairly large compared to the,
25:43SPEAKERthe Bolt and other cars that we've had.
25:45SPEAKER- How do you define fun to drive?
25:46SPEAKER- It's, I mean,
25:47SPEAKERlike electrics it's one speed and it accelerates like a
25:50SPEAKERblender. So if you, if you don't mind,
25:53SPEAKERif you don't mind having to charge more often,
25:56SPEAKERyou can hit the pedal down and it,
25:58SPEAKERand it really, really goes like, like you can beat pretty
26:01SPEAKERmuch anybody that has to shift off of the line,
26:04SPEAKERunless they have a faster EV.
26:07SPEAKERNot that I'm doing a lot of drag racing down here in
26:09SPEAKERPacifica, but it has come up.
26:12SPEAKERAlways, it's always funny when some 16 year old rolls up in
26:16SPEAKERan old Camaro and it's like making vroom vroom noises at the
26:19SPEAKERold guy in the station wagon.
26:21SPEAKERAnd you just casually zoop out in front of him.
26:25SPEAKERAnyway, it has three main drive modes.
26:28SPEAKERThis is pretty common for EVs.
26:30SPEAKERLike the bolt had a sport mode as well.
26:32SPEAKERThis one does an eco,
26:33SPEAKERwhich tunes down the AC and the acceleration until you get
26:37SPEAKERto like pretty far into the, into the, into the pedal.
26:40SPEAKERAnd then it, it accelerates.
26:43SPEAKERLike if it's a safety situation, it's going to,
26:45SPEAKERit's going to go.
26:46SPEAKEREverything is software mediated in this car.
26:48SPEAKERLike the brakes have electronic assist.
26:50SPEAKERThe gas pedal is an, I assume there's a wire, but I mean,
26:54SPEAKERit's all, it's all wires.
26:56SPEAKERIt's not like there's a,
26:57SPEAKERthere's a metal thing going into the, into your motor that
27:01SPEAKERpulls something that makes more gas,
27:03SPEAKERbut out into the carburetor, right?
27:06SPEAKERThe, the normal is kind of the middle of the road.
27:10SPEAKERAnd then there's a sport mode that tightens up the steering
27:13SPEAKERweirdly and gives you like instant acceleration on the gas
27:17SPEAKERpedal. And like, I, I bumped it apparently the other day,
27:20SPEAKERput it in,
27:21SPEAKERput it into sport by accident and then almost left tire on
27:24SPEAKERthe road when I was taken off out of the grocery store,
27:26SPEAKERparking a lot.
27:26SPEAKER- Yikes. That seems a little dangerous.
27:28SPEAKER- And it's fine.
27:30SPEAKER- Do you, do you have a default? I mean,
27:31SPEAKERI'm sure it's situational though.
27:32SPEAKERLike all things being equal. Is there one you prefer?
27:35SPEAKER- I mean, I,
27:36SPEAKERI usually leave it on the Eco cause we don't live someplace
27:38SPEAKERwhere you really need AC a whole lot.
27:40SPEAKERThe turning down of the AC is pretty negligible.
27:42SPEAKERI didn't realize that it was doing that until I was reading
27:45SPEAKERthe manual and watching some videos the other day.
27:47SPEAKER- And then the acceleration doesn't feel sluggish.
27:50SPEAKER- No, not at all.
27:51SPEAKERThere's no like pedal lag or anything like that.
27:52SPEAKERIt's just, it's just,
27:54SPEAKERit's more about how much you have to press to get that
27:58SPEAKERinitial acceleration.
28:01SPEAKERWhereas with the sport mode,
28:02SPEAKERyou kind of just brush your brush the pedal.
28:04SPEAKERIt accelerates like a sports car, right?
28:05SPEAKERLike you just barely hit the pedal and,
28:08SPEAKERand it goes with, with the Eco mode,
28:11SPEAKERyou have to push it a little bit more.
28:13SPEAKERIt also has a snow mode,
28:14SPEAKERwhich is important for EVs that do or anything that is
28:17SPEAKERregenerative braking.
28:19SPEAKERI haven't tested in this car,
28:21SPEAKERbut when I drove the bolt in the snow the first time,
28:23SPEAKERand I didn't know about the snow mode,
28:25SPEAKERit was fucking terrifying.
28:27SPEAKERCause it was real squirrelly every time it tried to
28:29SPEAKERregenerative brake.
28:30SPEAKER- Sure.
28:31SPEAKERThis is locking.
28:33SPEAKER- It's not locking,
28:33SPEAKERbut it's doing more braking than you should.
28:36SPEAKER- Sure.
28:36SPEAKER- Like you want it,
28:37SPEAKERbasically what you want it to do is do a real gentle
28:40SPEAKERregenerative brake.
28:41SPEAKERCause you want it to not,
28:42SPEAKERyou don't want to stop the wheels, right?
28:44SPEAKERBut you want to,
28:45SPEAKERand you want to use the motor to slow down,
28:47SPEAKERwhich is super good,
28:48SPEAKERbut you want it to do it less aggressively than it does
28:50SPEAKERwhen it's on dry pavement.
28:53SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:54SPEAKERCause I guess the more that is torque,
28:55SPEAKERthe right term here,
28:56SPEAKERthe more torque you put on it.
28:57SPEAKER- There's a lot of torque on the electrics.
28:58SPEAKER- The more it regenerates.
29:01SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
29:02SPEAKERYeah.
29:03SPEAKERSo it also has this thing.
29:05SPEAKERIt also has a lot of customers customization on how the
29:09SPEAKERdriving feels like you can set multiple levels of regenerative
29:13SPEAKERbraking strength.
29:14SPEAKERSo one of them is just drives like a normal ass ice car where
29:18SPEAKERyou have to press the brakes all the way down and you're
29:19SPEAKERgoing to burn your brakes up and replace your brakes just
29:22SPEAKERlike you would in a normal car.
29:24SPEAKERThe level three is a much more aggressive,
29:26SPEAKERbut it still coasts.
29:28SPEAKERIt won't like it goes one to three on that one being the,
29:31SPEAKERHey, this is a normal car.
29:32SPEAKERThree being,
29:33SPEAKERit's going to regenerate kind of like an old school Prius
29:35SPEAKERwould,
29:37SPEAKERbut you still have to hit the brakes or use the,
29:39SPEAKERthe regenerative braking paddle on the,
29:42SPEAKERon the steering wheel to stop the car.
29:44SPEAKERThere's also a traditional EV one pedal driving mode that
29:49SPEAKERthey call eye pedal.
29:50SPEAKERThat's basically, you just never touched the brake.
29:54SPEAKERLike I, I, I can't, you know, man,
29:56SPEAKERlike you just saying that out loud makes me like cringe.
29:59SPEAKERLike it's just the idea of never being able to, I mean,
30:02SPEAKERI'm sure there's some fail safe or some fallback mechanism,
30:05SPEAKERbut the idea of just coasting to a stop all the time,
30:08SPEAKERbut you don't coast because the way it works is the way it
30:11SPEAKERworks is, is if you're, if you're,
30:13SPEAKERif you're not pressing down on the gas, it just doesn't go.
30:17SPEAKERIt's just slows down.
30:18SPEAKER- Right.
30:19SPEAKER- It's regenerative to a stop.
30:20SPEAKER- Right.
30:21SPEAKERBut you still have to kind of pre-plan when to let off.
30:23SPEAKERAnd like, you've got to have, you have to develop a feel,
30:25SPEAKERI'm sure for when to stop accelerating and how much space,
30:28SPEAKERhow much distance in front of you you need at a given speed
30:30SPEAKERto stop.
30:31SPEAKER- So I will tell you both my wife and I had the same exact
30:33SPEAKERreaction that you had to this when we,
30:35SPEAKERwhen we first got the Bolt and within about two weeks,
30:40SPEAKERshe asked me if there was a way to just force it on.
30:42SPEAKERSo you didn't have to press a button.
30:44SPEAKER- Wow. Okay.
30:46SPEAKER- These are all on both of the cars on this may be a,
30:50SPEAKERa safety thing.
30:51SPEAKERYou have to opt into it when you start,
30:53SPEAKERwhen you start the drive, basically.
30:54SPEAKERSo you put it into L on the Bolt or you pull the,
30:57SPEAKERthe regenerative braking paddle on the, on the,
31:00SPEAKERon the Ionic.
31:03SPEAKERYou should never use the one pedal mode when it's wet,
31:05SPEAKERjust FYI, it's scary for same reasons that you don't want to
31:07SPEAKERdo regenerate, hard regeneration in the snow.
31:13SPEAKERAnd, and yeah, like the, it's weird to me that you can change
31:16SPEAKERthe regenerative braking.
31:17SPEAKERSo it's independent of the car mode, the, the initial,
31:21SPEAKERthe initial setting is that it drives more like a gas car.
31:24SPEAKERAnd the, we had gotten used to the Bolt,
31:29SPEAKERwhich recharges pretty aggressively and switched it almost
31:32SPEAKERimmediately. It feels, it feels pretty good now.
31:36SPEAKERIt also includes a ton of driver assist stuff.
31:38SPEAKERThat's kind of all over the place.
31:41SPEAKERIt's an L2 car, L2 autonomous,
31:43SPEAKERwhich there's a one, one to six scale that determines like
31:47SPEAKERlevel one is basically like cruise control.
31:49SPEAKERThat's maybe adaptive, but I think it's also,
31:54SPEAKERso it'll slow down and speed up for you based on how
31:57SPEAKERtraffic's going.
31:58SPEAKERL2 will keep it in a lane and slow, slow down and speed up.
32:02SPEAKERL1 might even just not, might not manage traffic.
32:06SPEAKERI can't remember, but anyway,
32:07SPEAKERall the way up to like L6 where you're,
32:09SPEAKERwhere it doesn't require any human intervention whatsoever.
32:12SPEAKER- I was going to ask who has defined the standard.
32:14SPEAKERIt looks like some kind of industry group,
32:15SPEAKERthe society of automotive engineers.
32:17SPEAKER- It was an industry group.
32:19SPEAKERThey, they put it together in like 20,
32:21SPEAKERI want to say 10, 15 years ago at this point, it's old now,
32:25SPEAKERbut yeah, so this is L2.
32:26SPEAKERThis means that you shouldn't leave it unsupervised at any
32:29SPEAKERpoint along the way. And I think that,
32:30SPEAKERI think that there are L3s depending on who you ask from
32:35SPEAKERdifferent vendors, but not, not the Hyundai.
32:38SPEAKER- That seems like a good restriction to have,
32:39SPEAKERto me personally, just,
32:41SPEAKERjust completely lacking the ability to divert your attention
32:44SPEAKERentirely, like,
32:45SPEAKERlike knowing you can't do that will stop you from doing it as
32:47SPEAKERself-evident as that sounds, you know what I mean?
32:49SPEAKER- So, okay.
32:50SPEAKERSo you've gotten to my issue with this,
32:51SPEAKERwith this technology in general, which is yes, it has, well,
32:56SPEAKERokay, so let me explain how it works and we'll,
32:58SPEAKERthen we'll circle back to this.
33:00SPEAKERIt uses radar and cameras.
33:01SPEAKERThere are the cameras are on the front side and back of the
33:04SPEAKERcar for side mirrors in the back of the car to kind of,
33:07SPEAKERand then machine vision to like detect where the lanes are
33:10SPEAKERon the road and read speed limit signs as you drive by them
33:14SPEAKERand stuff like that.
33:17SPEAKERIt has a smart cruise control,
33:19SPEAKERwhich basically works like every smart cruise control ever
33:22SPEAKERdoes. It uses radar sensors in the camera to detect cars in
33:24SPEAKERfront of you.
33:25SPEAKERAnd it changes the speed of the car so that you don't rear
33:28SPEAKERend the person in front of you or on the freeway going the
33:30SPEAKERspeed. And I've tested it. It was very scary.
33:34SPEAKERIt will, it can stop at the, it, it,
33:38SPEAKERit will stop even if traffic stops at a complete halt in the
33:41SPEAKERmiddle of the freeway. It's quite, honestly,
33:44SPEAKERit was quite nice. We got stuck in a little bit of a,
33:46SPEAKERthere was an accident in front of us on the way up to,
33:49SPEAKERto Marin a few weeks ago and we were in like three mile an
33:53SPEAKERhour traffic stop and go for 40 minutes.
33:55SPEAKERAnd I just put that on and just let it go.
33:58SPEAKER- That's crazy.
33:59SPEAKER- And it was great. Like I was paying attention obviously,
34:01SPEAKERbut like I didn't have to hit the gas and then hit the brake
34:05SPEAKERand then hit the gas and then hit the brake.
34:06SPEAKER- Cringing again.
34:08SPEAKER- Yeah. You just don't, I mean, it's like,
34:12SPEAKERyou think about how it works though.
34:13SPEAKERThat that's not a difficult thing, right?
34:15SPEAKER- No, it's not. I mean, you know, obviously I'm thinking,
34:17SPEAKERI haven't driven regularly in a long time.
34:19SPEAKERI did cruise control at speed all the time, right?
34:21SPEAKERAt like 85 miles an hour,
34:22SPEAKERbut it's specifically the bumper to bumper scenario where
34:24SPEAKERthere are a lot of variances like locking at a speed is one
34:28SPEAKERthing like relying on it to adapt constantly as another,
34:31SPEAKERI'm sure it works just fine, but.
34:33SPEAKER- Well, I mean,
34:33SPEAKERso one of the things that's nice is when you're using this on
34:35SPEAKERthe screen, the driver dash,
34:38SPEAKERit actually shows you a representation of what the car sees.
34:42SPEAKERSo, you know,
34:43SPEAKERif it's seeing stuff or if it's missing things and it sees
34:45SPEAKERthe cars in front of you and on either side,
34:48SPEAKERit doesn't show you what's behind you really.
34:51SPEAKERBut, but you know, like if you can predict,
34:53SPEAKERit gives you information to predict if it's having problems.
34:56SPEAKER- Okay.
34:57SPEAKERThat's the kind of thing that somebody like me might need to
34:58SPEAKERbe feel encouraged that it's doing the right thing.
35:01SPEAKER- Yeah. Like I think in that, in that case, it's fine.
35:04SPEAKERI am, I tend to,
35:07SPEAKERI use it when it's either light traffic or when it's like
35:11SPEAKERstop and go.
35:12SPEAKERI don't use it when it's heavy traffic and not going,
35:16SPEAKERalthough it does.
35:16SPEAKERIt also has driver's assist stuff to let you know that you're
35:18SPEAKERabout to rear end somebody and theoretically slam on the
35:20SPEAKERbrakes.
35:21SPEAKERI turned that off because it kind of freaks me out,
35:23SPEAKERbut it does make a really loud sound if it thinks you're
35:25SPEAKERabout to rear end somebody, which is nice.
35:27SPEAKER- Helpful. Just, just to be clear,
35:29SPEAKERlike in a true bumper to bumper situation where you're
35:31SPEAKERstopping and going a lot.
35:32SPEAKER- Yes.
35:33SPEAKER- It never disengages even when you're just at a stop.
35:35SPEAKER- Depends on the road.
35:36SPEAKERSo it has different rules.
35:37SPEAKERIf you're on a freeway limited access interstate slash
35:40SPEAKERfreeway, or if you're on a surface road,
35:45SPEAKERif you're on a surface road,
35:47SPEAKERyou have to press the pedal or tap the cruise control button
35:50SPEAKERto get it to start again.
35:51SPEAKERIf you're on the freeway, it'll just go,
35:54SPEAKERassuming you haven't been stopped for too, too long.
35:56SPEAKER- Hang on, does it have its own awareness of what kind of
35:58SPEAKERroad you're on?
35:59SPEAKER- Yes, it does.
36:00SPEAKERCause it's an internet,
36:00SPEAKERlike it's connected to the internet and has maps,
36:04SPEAKERupdates maps every like six months.
36:05SPEAKER- Of course it does.
36:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:07SPEAKER- It's a computer, electric cars are computers now.
36:09SPEAKER- Yeah. Yeah. Seriously.
36:10SPEAKERLike you, I mean the beginning of the segment,
36:12SPEAKERtalking about how customizable the driving experience is,
36:15SPEAKERis like the most,
36:17SPEAKERit's the closest I've been to just saying, yes,
36:19SPEAKERthis car is just a computer, right?
36:20SPEAKERLike this feels like configuring windows.
36:22SPEAKER- Yeah. Just to be clear,
36:23SPEAKERwhen you have it on the lane keeping thing,
36:25SPEAKERit turns the wheel.
36:27SPEAKERLike it has motors that turn the wheel.
36:29SPEAKERWhen you change it from sport to, from normal to sport,
36:33SPEAKERthe wheel doesn't get tighter because there's some sort of
36:35SPEAKERmechanism there.
36:36SPEAKERThe wheel gets tighter because the motor is pushed against
36:38SPEAKERyou when you're turning the car wheel, right?
36:41SPEAKERIt's, it's, it's all, it's all, it's all computers,
36:45SPEAKERall the way down.
36:46SPEAKER- Wild man, the future is now.
36:47SPEAKERThis is way out of scope for this episode,
36:49SPEAKERbut I wonder if there's any good research or data yet on
36:51SPEAKERwhether this reduces the incidence of accidents and so
36:54SPEAKERforth.
36:55SPEAKER- Well, so this is why I,
36:56SPEAKERthis is the thing I don't like about it is because I'm a
36:59SPEAKERresponsible driver and I'm not going to sit there on my
37:02SPEAKERphone when I'm using this, it is,
37:04SPEAKERit would be very easy to keep one hand on the wheel and kind
37:08SPEAKERof shake it just enough so that it doesn't think that you're
37:11SPEAKERcause, cause what it does, like in order for them to turn on
37:14SPEAKERthese lane keeping things,
37:15SPEAKERit has to have some system that monitors that the driver is
37:18SPEAKERactually engaged.
37:20SPEAKERAnd some companies put like capacitive sensors on the
37:22SPEAKERsteering wheel.
37:23SPEAKERKeep your hand on the wheel.
37:24SPEAKERSome companies jam a camera in the cab that faces the driver
37:28SPEAKERand sees if their eyes were on the road, right?
37:30SPEAKERI'm not interested in that.
37:32SPEAKERThat skeezes me out at a high level,
37:34SPEAKERbut it's like these are the kind of the options that we have
37:37SPEAKERright now.
37:38SPEAKER- But you're not an irresponsible and selfish person.
37:39SPEAKER- I am not an irresponsible and selfish person.
37:42SPEAKERI, I, when presented with how reliable this is,
37:46SPEAKERI don't know, 90% of the time,
37:49SPEAKERI know a bunch of people who are going to abuse the shit out
37:51SPEAKERof this and that makes me feel bad.
37:53SPEAKER- Yes.
37:55SPEAKER- It does lane keeping where like it literally,
37:59SPEAKERthe camera will follow,
38:00SPEAKERsees the lanes on the road and it gives you a little green
38:03SPEAKERindicators and it's like, Hey, we're in the lanes, right?
38:06SPEAKERAnd you're like, you can nudge it a little bit,
38:08SPEAKERbut it'll basically keep it in the lanes.
38:10SPEAKERIf you're on a highway,
38:12SPEAKERit has this thing called highway driving assist,
38:14SPEAKERwhich is basically the souped up freeway version of the,
38:17SPEAKERof the lane keeping and adaptive cruise control.
38:20SPEAKERAnd you can even change lanes and overtake.
38:23SPEAKERSo if you're coming up on somebody and you hit the,
38:25SPEAKERthe turn signal to get in the left lane,
38:27SPEAKERand there's no car in the left lane,
38:29SPEAKERcause the car knows that it'll switch lanes for you.
38:32SPEAKERAnd it'll speed up a little bit to go past the person.
38:35SPEAKERAnd then you switch the, the turn signal.
38:36SPEAKERIt'll switch back lanes again.
38:37SPEAKERYou don't have to touch the wheel at all.
38:39SPEAKER- That's, that's the fun part though.
38:43SPEAKER- I, I was going to say,
38:44SPEAKERit's only available on interstate limited access highways.
38:47SPEAKERI've done it like twice.
38:49SPEAKERIt's, it's really, really slow.
38:53SPEAKER- Okay.
38:53SPEAKER- Like it doesn't change lanes in a way that a normal human
38:56SPEAKERwould ever change lanes in the car.
38:58SPEAKER- Yeah.
38:59SPEAKER- Both cause there's a little bit of a lag
39:00SPEAKERfrom when you hit the turn signal.
39:01SPEAKERAnd because it goes, it's like full granny mode,
39:04SPEAKERswitching lanes.
39:05SPEAKER- Sure.
39:06SPEAKERYeah. But also, like I said, I mean,
39:07SPEAKERlike maneuvering and accelerating around other people
39:10SPEAKERis like part of,
39:11SPEAKERis one of these aspects of driving that is fun to me.
39:13SPEAKERLike at a certain point I don't,
39:15SPEAKERI don't want it to do all too much.
39:17SPEAKER- How many 500 mile drives have you done in a day recently?
39:20SPEAKER- In a day?
39:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:22SPEAKER- Not a lot, but I,
39:24SPEAKERI used to drive a lot of the length of North Carolina
39:27SPEAKERin one sitting back and forth a lot.
39:31SPEAKER- You were a younger man back then, but-
39:32SPEAKER- I was, I was, I was like, let's say like 19 to 21.
39:37SPEAKER- So the interesting thing about all the autonomous stuff
39:40SPEAKERor the semi-autonomous stuff is that it needs a lot
39:42SPEAKERof babysitting, even though it's good most of the time.
39:45SPEAKERLike there's a curve coming out of Pacifica where I live.
39:48SPEAKERThat's a big, it's on a freeway, the speed limit's 55.
39:51SPEAKERIt's going uphill and it's like a 90 degree curve
39:54SPEAKERover about a quarter of a mile.
39:56SPEAKERAnd that's enough that the radar sees the barrier
39:59SPEAKERbetween the lanes of the freeway and is like,
40:02SPEAKERoh man, there's something in front of me.
40:03SPEAKERI should go slower.
40:05SPEAKERAnd it'll bring the car all the way down
40:06SPEAKERto like 40 miles an hour if you leave it on the,
40:08SPEAKERon the lane, keep on the full, the self-driving mode here.
40:12SPEAKERThis is with the highway driving assist,
40:14SPEAKERlike the highest level that they have on.
40:16SPEAKERSo it's, it's, it's not infallible.
40:19SPEAKERThat's a harmless way that it's failed.
40:21SPEAKERIt hasn't done anything super scary to me yet,
40:24SPEAKERbut it does have a hard time when it can't see the lanes,
40:26SPEAKERwhether it's cause it's dark or it's foggy or, you know,
40:29SPEAKERthere's a lot of times that it shouldn't work
40:31SPEAKERthat it doesn't know to turn off.
40:35SPEAKERThere's other stuff that's, that's cool.
40:36SPEAKERLike overall, I'm going to say good feature just for the,
40:40SPEAKERhey, I'm sitting in traffic and I'm going five miles an hour
40:42SPEAKERand I have to go five miles at the speed or four,
40:45SPEAKERthree miles at the speed and it's miserable.
40:47SPEAKERIt made it much less miserable.
40:49SPEAKER- That is the inverse of the thing I just mentioned.
40:51SPEAKERLike there's nothing fun about what you just described.
40:53SPEAKER- Yeah, no.
40:54SPEAKERAnd, and like, when that was happening,
40:56SPEAKERI was like having a nice conversation.
40:58SPEAKERI wasn't stressed out that I was going to miss the car
41:00SPEAKERpulling out way in front of me and everybody behind me
41:02SPEAKERwould get upset.
41:03SPEAKERLike it was, it's really like, it is a,
41:06SPEAKERit reduces my, reduced my stress level in a measurable way
41:09SPEAKERduring a minor inconvenience of a driving situation.
41:13SPEAKER- Sure.
41:14SPEAKERYeah, that's probably got like,
41:14SPEAKERlike downstream net positive consequences as well.
41:17SPEAKERYou know, it's like you show up to where you're going
41:19SPEAKERin slightly less of a bad mood.
41:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
41:22SPEAKER- Or whatever.
41:23SPEAKER- We haven't done a long, long trip.
41:24SPEAKERWe haven't done like a 400 mile, 500 mile trip
41:26SPEAKERsince we got the car yet.
41:27SPEAKERThat's going to come later this summer probably.
41:30SPEAKERI'm like, I can imagine it will be less stressful
41:36SPEAKERas a whole just because the car is a lot more comfortable
41:38SPEAKERtoo than the old car was.
41:39SPEAKERIt's a little bit wider, which is like a part of the problem.
41:43SPEAKERI feel bad getting a bigger car
41:44SPEAKERafter having a nice small car,
41:46SPEAKERbut also it is really nice to not be jammed in
41:48SPEAKERon top of each other when you're in the car for a while.
41:52SPEAKERLet's see on the convenient stuff.
41:53SPEAKERIt has a HUD.
41:54SPEAKERWe talked about this a little bit.
41:55SPEAKERThe HUD pulls a bunch of different info depending.
41:57SPEAKERThere's a couple of different display modes
41:58SPEAKERyou can use with it.
42:00SPEAKERThe one that I use most frequently
42:01SPEAKERhas the current speed limit, your current speed.
42:05SPEAKERIt pulls the speed limit from the camera funnily enough.
42:08SPEAKERSo when you're driving by and it catches a sign
42:12SPEAKERthat has like the normal speed limit framing
42:15SPEAKERand it's for the bike lane on a frontage road,
42:19SPEAKERit'll be like current speed, 15 miles an hour.
42:21SPEAKER- Yikes. - Yeah.
42:23SPEAKER- I hope it's not using that
42:24SPEAKERin any kind of like speed limiting capacity.
42:25SPEAKERThat's purely for your information.
42:27SPEAKER- Well, now it's interesting you mentioned that
42:29SPEAKERbecause it does do that.
42:30SPEAKERIt's an option.
42:35SPEAKERIt took me a while to figure out what was happening
42:36SPEAKERbecause it wasn't apparent how we were turning it on.
42:40SPEAKERBut if you press and hold the cruise control button
42:41SPEAKERwhen you're turning it on,
42:42SPEAKERit will limit you to the speed limit plus whatever
42:47SPEAKERmaximum speed over the speed limit that you choose.
42:50SPEAKERAnd I'm gonna go tell you a feature I'm never going to use
42:53SPEAKERbecause it picks up like weird signals
42:56SPEAKERfrom other roads and adjacent roads.
42:58SPEAKERAnd like, if you pass a construction car
43:02SPEAKERthat has 15 mile an hour speed limit sign on the back
43:04SPEAKERand it looks like a road sign,
43:05SPEAKERit's gonna jam the brakes on, which was--
43:07SPEAKER- That's no good. - Not good, yeah.
43:10SPEAKER- I would like, man, I don't know.
43:12SPEAKERI would maybe trust a feature like that
43:13SPEAKERif it was like using, I don't know,
43:15SPEAKERlike Department of Transportation provided metadata
43:17SPEAKERabout speed limits, but then again,
43:18SPEAKERthat might not even be up to date.
43:20SPEAKER- I will tell you the map data is always reliable
43:22SPEAKERand accurate except for construction zones.
43:25SPEAKERLike this has been wrong multiple times.
43:29SPEAKERAnd like one time we were driving out toward,
43:30SPEAKERwhen we were going to Tracy,
43:32SPEAKERit kept going down to 55 miles an hour
43:34SPEAKERand I couldn't figure out why.
43:35SPEAKERAnd it's because it was seeing construction
43:37SPEAKERahead 55 mile an hour signs for construction
43:40SPEAKERthat wasn't happening because it was nine o'clock at night
43:42SPEAKERwe were driving out there.
43:43SPEAKER- Oh, great. - Yeah.
43:46SPEAKERThe HUD, the thing that I love that the HUD does,
43:48SPEAKERso the HUD is fantastic.
43:49SPEAKERI basically never look at the driver's side screen
43:51SPEAKERwhen I'm driving, it's very rare.
43:53SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I mean, that seems like a positive.
43:55SPEAKER- So it's eyes on the road.
43:57SPEAKERIt pops up, it has little indicators
43:59SPEAKERat the lower left and lower right side of the HUD
44:02SPEAKERthat just put a red, like a three,
44:05SPEAKERit almost looks like a wifi symbol,
44:07SPEAKERbut like three larger concentric arcs
44:10SPEAKERthat are red and blinky and have an exclamation point
44:13SPEAKERwhen there's somebody in your blind spot.
44:15SPEAKERAnd they're basically just always there.
44:16SPEAKERSo you can look, you get,
44:18SPEAKERwithout having to take your eye off the road,
44:20SPEAKERyou see, oh, hey, there's somebody in my blind spot.
44:22SPEAKERAnd then when you get ready to turn,
44:24SPEAKERyou hit the signal, you check,
44:26SPEAKERit puts a camera view off of the rear view mirrors,
44:29SPEAKERthe side rear view mirror of the appropriate side
44:32SPEAKERon the driver's side display.
44:34SPEAKERAnd then you check the corner of your eye
44:37SPEAKER'cause I don't trust the machine.
44:40SPEAKERBut the, hey, there's a car in my blind spot signal
44:43SPEAKERthat's on your field of view when you're going forwards
44:45SPEAKERwithout having to look away from in front of you
44:47SPEAKERis incredible, is super duper good.
44:50SPEAKERAnd that uses, again, the combination of the radar
44:52SPEAKERand the camera on the side.
44:54SPEAKER- Yeah, did you mention how the HUD works?
44:56SPEAKERIs it just like reflecting off the windshield
44:58SPEAKERin some fashion or?
44:59SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a screen up on the dash
45:01SPEAKERup underneath the driver's side of the front dash.
45:05SPEAKERAnd it projects, it's angled in such a way
45:09SPEAKERthat it reflects off the mirror, off of the windshield.
45:11SPEAKERI believe it's also uses polarization somehow.
45:16SPEAKERI can see it with my sunglasses.
45:18SPEAKERMy wife can't see it with her sunglasses.
45:20SPEAKERSo it's a little bit,
45:22SPEAKERand it's a little bit polarized out with my sunglasses
45:27SPEAKERunless I tilt my head.
45:28SPEAKERSo it's a little bit of a bummer, that.
45:30SPEAKER- Interesting.
45:31SPEAKER- It seems like it's not compatible
45:33SPEAKERwith the polarization on the phone, which is annoying.
45:36SPEAKERYeah.
45:37SPEAKER- First of all, stop me if like, you could tell me
45:39SPEAKERthat 80% of the cars on the road now have a HUD like this.
45:42SPEAKERAnd I would believe, I don't know if it's actually common.
45:44SPEAKER- That is not the case from what we saw
45:45SPEAKERwhen we were test driving and looking at other cars.
45:47SPEAKER- Well, and so I'll add to that.
45:48SPEAKERI didn't sit in the driver's seats to look at this thing
45:51SPEAKERand you can't see it at all from the passenger side.
45:53SPEAKERLike, how does it look?
45:54SPEAKERJust like clarity of image, like is bright sunlight,
45:57SPEAKERwash it out or make it hard to see?
45:59SPEAKERLike, is it pretty like concrete?
46:02SPEAKER- So let's see, it's about,
46:05SPEAKERif you hold your arms out in front of you at full length
46:09SPEAKERand put your thumbs about six inches apart,
46:11SPEAKERthat's about how big it looks.
46:13SPEAKERLike it's relatively small.
46:14SPEAKERIt's in like the bottom third of your windscreen view.
46:18SPEAKERIt's mostly black and white.
46:19SPEAKERSo the black shows up as invisible, basically.
46:22SPEAKERIt just passes through.
46:23SPEAKERAnd then you see white text floating
46:25SPEAKERin space in front of you.
46:26SPEAKER- Okay, that seems smart.
46:27SPEAKERLike it gets some strong contrast on there.
46:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty good.
46:32SPEAKEREven when we were in the valley
46:33SPEAKERand it was really bright or in Sonoma
46:34SPEAKERand it was really bright,
46:35SPEAKERit was still visible during the daytime.
46:38SPEAKERThere is color.
46:40SPEAKERSo there's an augmented reality mode is what they call it.
46:44SPEAKERIt's really goofy, but it highlights the cars
46:46SPEAKERwhen the car detects them in front of you.
46:48SPEAKER- That's really dumb.
46:49SPEAKER- It like puts a line underneath them
46:51SPEAKERwhere they are in the road in front of you, which is weird.
46:55SPEAKERIt's like, that's fine, whatever.
46:57SPEAKERBut it also will do the thing where it displays the cars
47:00SPEAKERthat the cruise control has detected around you
47:03SPEAKERis just like little boxes, like it does on the head unit.
47:08SPEAKERIf I had a complaint,
47:09SPEAKERit's that it doesn't automatically dim at night.
47:13SPEAKERSo you have to kind of, like if you're driving,
47:14SPEAKERif I'm doing a lot of night driving,
47:16SPEAKERI'll open up the dash controls
47:18SPEAKERand turn the brightness down a little bit
47:20SPEAKERso it's not quite so bright.
47:22SPEAKER'Cause at nighttime, you don't need as much brightness.
47:27SPEAKERIt has a top-down camera for parking,
47:30SPEAKERjust like the Bolt did.
47:33SPEAKERSo what this does is it uses the cameras
47:35SPEAKERthat surround the car and then stitches together
47:37SPEAKERthe warped front and out view into a top-down view
47:43SPEAKERusing image warping algorithms, I guess.
47:47SPEAKERIt's not as good as the one on the Bolt.
47:48SPEAKERThe one on the Bolt was one-to-one,
47:50SPEAKERso it puts a little cartoon version of your car
47:54SPEAKERon top of the stitched together image, right?
47:58SPEAKERAnd on the Bolt, if it looked like your car was five inches
48:00SPEAKERfrom the curb and you could see the curb,
48:03SPEAKERyour car was gonna be five inches from the curb
48:05SPEAKERwhen you got out and looked.
48:06SPEAKERWith this, it's a little bit off
48:08SPEAKERand it's not in a way that's predictable
48:10SPEAKERor I'm not able to predict how it's going to be off yet.
48:13SPEAKERSo I'm always worried that I'm gonna tag the curb.
48:15SPEAKER- It's kind of an odd regression
48:17SPEAKERand something that seems like
48:18SPEAKERkind of an industry-leading product.
48:20SPEAKER- Well, so the Bolt was the first car that had this.
48:23SPEAKERIt's an unusual feature still is my understanding.
48:25SPEAKER- Okay, I just assumed this was kind of everywhere now.
48:28SPEAKER- No, my guess is that the cameras are in weird,
48:33SPEAKERlike the Bolt placed the cameras so that this worked well.
48:38SPEAKERI'm not sure that this car has placed the cameras
48:41SPEAKERin the right spot, or maybe there's some patent
48:42SPEAKERor something that's preventing them
48:43SPEAKERdoing a great job with it.
48:45SPEAKERBut basically I always end up parking further away
48:48SPEAKERthan I mean to with this car, which is the right answer.
48:51SPEAKERI think that's the right way to go.
48:53SPEAKER- Within reason.
48:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
48:56SPEAKER- You don't wanna be too far out.
48:56SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like, I wanna be like five inches,
48:58SPEAKERI end up eight and I have to roll the car
49:00SPEAKERback and forth a couple of times.
49:02SPEAKERSo yeah, that's it.
49:03SPEAKERLike it's a really comfortable car to drive.
49:05SPEAKERLike the self-driving, the lane keeping stuff
49:07SPEAKERis nice on long drives.
49:09SPEAKERThe adaptive cruise control,
49:11SPEAKERI don't think I ever wanna get a car without that honestly,
49:14SPEAKERjust for the dread of sitting in the cone zone.
49:19SPEAKERAnd yeah, that's kind of the driving experience.
49:22SPEAKER- Sounds nice.
49:23SPEAKERI'll say riding in it was also very comfortable.
49:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny 'cause you didn't know,
49:30SPEAKERlike one of the first things I noticed about this car
49:32SPEAKERis it's a lot, it makes different noises than ICE cars do.
49:37SPEAKERYou don't hear motor noise at all.
49:39SPEAKERSo wind noise and stuff like that.
49:40SPEAKERYou hear tires and wind and the clunks of like the car
49:43SPEAKERdoing car stuff more in electrics.
49:48SPEAKERBut anyway, the reason we got the IONX
49:50SPEAKERis 'cause it charges insanely fast.
49:53SPEAKER- That's a good reason to get an EV.
49:54SPEAKER- Yeah. - Frankly.
49:56SPEAKER- Where the bolt would charge would take 45 minutes
49:59SPEAKERor an hour to go from like 20% to 80%, which is too long.
50:04SPEAKERIt's mainly because it was based on a 2017 design
50:07SPEAKERall the way through the 2022, 2024 models,
50:10SPEAKERwhatever the last one they made was.
50:14SPEAKERCharge speed for people who don't know
50:16SPEAKERdepends on both the car and the plug,
50:18SPEAKERbut your car will limit the upper maximum.
50:20SPEAKERSo you may plug into a 350 kilowatt charger
50:24SPEAKERand if you have a bolt that only charges
50:26SPEAKERat a maximum of 50 kilowatts,
50:27SPEAKERit will cap out at 50 kilowatts
50:30SPEAKERno matter what you plug it into.
50:32SPEAKERAlso, like your phone, the car batteries
50:34SPEAKERwill start slowing down or will slow down
50:37SPEAKERbased on the condition of the battery,
50:39SPEAKERwhether it's too hot or too cold.
50:44SPEAKERAnd they all start slowing down at 50 or 60%,
50:46SPEAKERjust so they don't damage the battery.
50:49SPEAKER'Cause obviously the battery's the most expensive thing
50:51SPEAKERin the EV, you don't wanna have to replace it
50:53SPEAKERbecause you had a hot charger.
50:56SPEAKER- Yeah, is that, not to digress too much,
50:58SPEAKERand also EVs, I don't know if they've been on the road
51:00SPEAKERlong enough to really have a good sense of this,
51:01SPEAKERbut like, is it feasible to own an EV
51:04SPEAKERfor like normal car ownership length
51:06SPEAKERand not have to replace the battery?
51:07SPEAKERIs that expected or?
51:12SPEAKER- It's hard to say, theoretically,
51:15SPEAKERthey should last a really long time
51:17SPEAKERif you take care of them and don't,
51:19SPEAKERlike the more you DC fast charge,
51:21SPEAKERthe less long they're gonna last, right?
51:23SPEAKERLike that puts a stress on the battery.
51:25SPEAKERBut like a phone, if you don't charge above 80%,
51:29SPEAKERyou're gonna put less wear on the,
51:31SPEAKERyou're chemically challenging the battery less,
51:33SPEAKERis my understanding.
51:35SPEAKERThere are Teslas that have been on the road
51:37SPEAKERfor a long time now, but also in that same period of time,
51:41SPEAKERwe've gotten much better at making EV batteries.
51:44SPEAKERSo I don't know what the current expectation is.
51:51SPEAKER- It seems like, I mean, Hyundai has a 100,000 mile
51:55SPEAKERwarranty or something, I don't know how the battery
51:58SPEAKERcovers that 'cause I didn't really care that much about it
51:59SPEAKERsince we're leasing instead of buying.
52:02SPEAKERIt's a good question, though.
52:04SPEAKERAnd I think, I mean, if I was buying this car,
52:10SPEAKERI would probably baby the battery more than I am
52:13SPEAKERas a lessee, although I'd say there's a better
52:17SPEAKERthan even chance we end up buying this one out
52:18SPEAKERat the end of the lease.
52:21SPEAKERAssuming it's not a terrible deal.
52:23SPEAKERThe Bolt, we got too good a deal on it,
52:25SPEAKERand the buyout was $7,000 more than the car was worth.
52:29SPEAKER- No thanks. - Yeah.
52:32SPEAKERSo this is an 800 volt architecture car.
52:35SPEAKER- Is that new?
52:35SPEAKER- That is a relatively new thing.
52:37SPEAKERThere's only a handful of cars that are in this area.
52:41SPEAKERThere's a Cadillac, there's a couple of Porsches,
52:45SPEAKERand then the Hyundai, the newer Hyundai stuff is as well.
52:49SPEAKERI probably forgot somebody, but I apologize.
52:53SPEAKERBasically, if you plug into 800 volt architecture,
52:56SPEAKERwhich is newer Electrify America, EVgo,
52:58SPEAKERand some other DC fast chargers,
53:02SPEAKERit's gonna go up to like 235 kilowatts to charge the battery,
53:07SPEAKERwhich means it can go from basically nothing to 80%
53:13SPEAKERin about 20 minutes, 18 minutes.
53:15SPEAKER- That is fast. - Yeah.
53:17SPEAKER- That's crazy.
53:18SPEAKER- But you said that that is stressing the battery more
53:20SPEAKERto do that, right?
53:21SPEAKER- So it depends.
53:22SPEAKER- So it's not something you'd wanna do all the time
53:23SPEAKERif you don't have to?
53:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like I wouldn't, I mean,
53:27SPEAKERif you live in the city and you don't have access
53:28SPEAKERto a charger and there's an Electrify America
53:30SPEAKERaround the corner from your house, go nuts, right?
53:32SPEAKERYou live your life.
53:34SPEAKER- Sure.
53:35SPEAKER- But yeah, like my preference would be
53:37SPEAKERto do most of my charging on the slower AC charge,
53:42SPEAKERif I was planning on keeping the car for a long time.
53:45SPEAKER- But if you were in some urgent or semi-urgent situation
53:47SPEAKERwhere you just needed to get somewhere
53:48SPEAKERlike a fairly long distance, it's not bad in a pinch,
53:51SPEAKERI'm sure.
53:53SPEAKER- My official policy, and this is something Jean
53:55SPEAKERand I talked a lot about before we went
53:57SPEAKERwith another electric car, is that I'm not going
53:59SPEAKERto worry about it because it'll make me crazy.
54:02SPEAKER- Understandable.
54:03SPEAKER- I mean, the lack of oil changes and breaks
54:07SPEAKERand all the stuff that you don't have to do on the EV,
54:11SPEAKERI think if we end up keeping an EV for 15 years
54:14SPEAKERand have to replace a battery, then we can see
54:17SPEAKERhow it worked out in the end.
54:18SPEAKER- Sure.
54:19SPEAKER- But you save enough money on gas, even in California
54:22SPEAKERwhere electricity's expensive, that I kind of don't care.
54:26SPEAKER- Fair enough.
54:28SPEAKER- So yeah, basically I've done a bunch of DC fast charging
54:32SPEAKERwith this, partly because we've done some trips,
54:35SPEAKERbut partly because when you lease the car, buy the car,
54:38SPEAKERyou get a few years of free Electrify America
54:41SPEAKERfrom Hyundai right now, they have a deal.
54:44SPEAKERWhich is a pretty good, if you have chargers near you,
54:46SPEAKERit's pretty nice.
54:47SPEAKERThe nearest one for us is at the Sloat,
54:51SPEAKERit's about 10 miles away, which it turns out to be
54:54SPEAKERnot too far if you want to get free electricity.
54:57SPEAKER- Yeah, and that's, there's a hell of an incentive
55:00SPEAKERto effectively, I know there are some stipulations here
55:02SPEAKERthat you'll get into, but to effectively get free gas,
55:05SPEAKERmore or less, with your new car.
55:07SPEAKER- For two years.
55:08SPEAKER- Is kind of insane.
55:09SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a charger by the PC World office,
55:11SPEAKERso on Thursday, the last day of the week
55:14SPEAKERthat I'm going to be there, I just swing by there
55:16SPEAKERand top off, because it costs nothing,
55:17SPEAKERand it takes five minutes.
55:19SPEAKER- That's wild.
55:21SPEAKER- So they optimize, I've done 18% to 80%
55:25SPEAKERin about 20 minutes before, that was before I knew
55:28SPEAKERthat I had to, in order to get that full speed,
55:31SPEAKERespecially if it's cold or hot,
55:33SPEAKERyou have to precondition the battery,
55:35SPEAKERand the only way you can tell that you're going to charge
55:38SPEAKERis by using the nav to go to a DC fast charge location.
55:42SPEAKERThe in-dash nav, not Waze, not Google Maps,
55:44SPEAKERnot the thing on your phone, but the one
55:45SPEAKERthat Hyundai provides with the car.
55:49SPEAKERThat was fine, like I said, 20 minutes,
55:52SPEAKERit seems to optimize against 20 minutes.
55:54SPEAKERSo if you come in with 60%, it's going to take 20 minutes,
55:56SPEAKERif you come in with 5%, it's going to take 20 minutes.
55:59SPEAKER- Interesting.
56:00SPEAKER- Which I assume is to maximize battery life.
56:02SPEAKER- Sure.
56:06SPEAKERI've gone from 80 to 100 but once,
56:09SPEAKERjust to see how long it would take
56:10SPEAKERand to see what it was going to cost,
56:12SPEAKERand because I was about to do some real driving,
56:14SPEAKERit took about another 20 minutes
56:16SPEAKERto go from 80 to 100, which makes sense.
56:19SPEAKERIt costs $4.50 at Electrify America.
56:22SPEAKER- For 20%.
56:23SPEAKER- For 20%, and the total range is like 300-ish miles,
56:27SPEAKERso you can do the math on how many miles per,
56:31SPEAKERit's less than a gallon of gas in California,
56:33SPEAKERfor what that's worth.
56:34SPEAKER- Is that a linear, I mean,
56:36SPEAKERcan you just literally multiply that by five
56:38SPEAKERto get the total battery charge rates,
56:40SPEAKERor there's probably more factors there than that?
56:44SPEAKER- No, yeah, so as always, the answer is it's complicated.
56:47SPEAKERSome people charge based on time,
56:49SPEAKERsome people charge on kilowatts delivered.
56:51SPEAKER- I figured it would all just be energy usage.
56:53SPEAKER- So some, generally speaking,
56:55SPEAKERI don't do plugs that are time
56:58SPEAKERunless I absolutely can avoid it.
57:01SPEAKERThe energy usage charging rates are usually better,
57:07SPEAKERthe rates that people charge that wildly vary.
57:10SPEAKERSo I've had some EVGo plugs that cost like $15, $20
57:15SPEAKERto fill up, which felt really high
57:18SPEAKERfor the amount of juice I was putting in.
57:20SPEAKERMostly those are older ones that are time-based,
57:23SPEAKERand the one by my house at the Safeway
57:26SPEAKERaround the corner from my house is ancient,
57:29SPEAKERand very slow, and time-based, and it's always expensive.
57:32SPEAKERIt's like worst case.
57:36SPEAKERThe Electrify America is generally
57:37SPEAKERthe most reasonable pricing that I've encountered,
57:41SPEAKERand when we're getting ready to go on a road trip,
57:43SPEAKERI'll sign up for their $5 a month plan
57:46SPEAKERthat gives you 20 or 30% off the rates
57:49SPEAKERthat they charge you on top of that,
57:50SPEAKERalthough probably not with this car.
57:53SPEAKERYou can set per type AC or DC charge caps.
57:58SPEAKERSo my AC charge cap at home is just always at 80%
58:01SPEAKERto avoid charging that last 20% of the battery.
58:04SPEAKERYou can do them separate for AC and DC,
58:06SPEAKERand you can change it when you're on the fly,
58:08SPEAKERwhich is nice, because some cars, you can't do that.
58:11SPEAKERAnd you can also set your mid-peak, off-peak,
58:13SPEAKERand peak energy cost times, which is important.
58:17SPEAKERLike in California, for example, here,
58:19SPEAKERwe pay more for electricity from 3 p.m. to 10 p.m.,
58:23SPEAKERand then a slightly reduced rate from 10 p.m. to midnight.
58:26SPEAKERShit, has I gotten worse, it used to be four to nine.
58:29SPEAKERI need to look at my bill.
58:30SPEAKER- Well, it depends on which plan you're signed up for.
58:32SPEAKERThey don't change you unless you ask them to.
58:34SPEAKER- Interesting, I thought, this is people outside
58:37SPEAKERof California are like, whatever,
58:38SPEAKERwho cares about your PG&E plan?
58:40SPEAKERBut they did only have one time of use plan,
58:42SPEAKERI didn't realize.
58:43SPEAKER- They have different plans for people who have EVs
58:45SPEAKERand batteries, so if you have batteries in your house
58:48SPEAKERor EVs, if you charge on off-peak,
58:50SPEAKERyou get a much lower rate.
58:53SPEAKERBut it means, the nice thing about this is,
58:56SPEAKERolder electrics, you had to have a special charge point
58:59SPEAKERthat knew that you could set the times.
59:02SPEAKERI think every car that shipped this year probably has this.
59:06SPEAKERSome of them are easier to access than others.
59:08SPEAKERThis one you set with the app, which was really funny.
59:11SPEAKERYou could do it in the car UI, too, but it was hard to find,
59:14SPEAKERand when I looked it up online, it was just like,
59:16SPEAKERyo, use the app, and it took about two seconds.
59:18SPEAKER- Does the app, do you know if the app communicates
59:20SPEAKERwith the car over some kind of ad hoc local connection,
59:22SPEAKERor does it go through servers and an account?
59:25SPEAKER- So when the car is off, it's mediated through servers
59:29SPEAKERand a cell connection.
59:30SPEAKER- Okay.
59:32SPEAKER- I don't think I've ever used it when I'm in the car,
59:34SPEAKERso I assume it still goes, I think it just pings
59:36SPEAKERthe servers more frequently when you're actually driving.
59:39SPEAKER- Well, actually, I mean, surely there'd be a local
59:40SPEAKERfallback mode, though, 'cause you might be in some area
59:43SPEAKERwith zero cell, and then you can't reconfigure your car.
59:45SPEAKER- You got bad news, Brad.
59:46SPEAKER- Oh, man, the future sucks.
59:48SPEAKER- Well, no, so most of the stuff you can do with,
59:50SPEAKERwe'll get to this in a minute, it's something I actually
59:52SPEAKERactively despise, but you can do lots of stuff with voice
59:56SPEAKERthat you can't do with the in-dash UI.
59:58SPEAKER- Wait, what?
59:59SPEAKER- Yeah, we'll talk about it in a minute.
1:00:00SPEAKER- What?
1:00:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it's crazy.
1:00:02SPEAKER- Ooh, okay.
1:00:03SPEAKER- Look, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you,
1:00:05SPEAKERthe very best UI people are not working on car dashes.
1:00:09SPEAKER- Apologies to any car UI designers listening.
1:00:13SPEAKER- Look, if you're listening, I would love to talk
1:00:14SPEAKERto you about this, 'cause I have, it seems like,
1:00:17SPEAKERI'm sure that it's a political nightmare,
1:00:19SPEAKERand it's hard to get anybody to change anything,
1:00:20SPEAKERand it's probably a bad place to do that kind of, like,
1:00:23SPEAKERuser-centric, research-oriented design work.
1:00:28SPEAKERLike, this is up there, some of these choices are up there
1:00:31SPEAKERwith microwave oven choices, as far as I'm concerned.
1:00:33SPEAKERSame thing for the Chevrolet, for what it's worth.
1:00:34SPEAKERIt was bad, too.
1:00:37SPEAKERAnyway, we talked about off-peak.
1:00:41SPEAKERWe don't drive a ton, still.
1:00:43SPEAKERLike, even post-pandemic, we're like three days a week,
1:00:45SPEAKERmaybe, out of the house, aside from quick runs places.
1:00:50SPEAKERWe use the L1 charger at home, still, and it's fine.
1:00:52SPEAKERIf we need to top off, I run, when I get groceries,
1:00:55SPEAKERor I'm on my way home from work, we,
1:00:58SPEAKERthe L1 is a 12-amp max charge,
1:01:01SPEAKERwhich is basically one or 2% an hour at 12 amps.
1:01:06SPEAKER- Yeah, which sounds tragically slow, but if you're,
1:01:08SPEAKERlike you said, I mean, you work at home,
1:01:10SPEAKERso, like, you're not even going out
1:01:11SPEAKERevery day, necessarily, right?
1:01:12SPEAKER- So, I drive to the city two days a week,
1:01:14SPEAKERwhich is about 30 miles, round trip.
1:01:17SPEAKER- But at that point, that's plenty of time.
1:01:19SPEAKERIf it's charging for literally, like, an entire day.
1:01:21SPEAKER- Yeah, so it basically, I lose a couple of,
1:01:24SPEAKERlike, on those days, I lose a couple of percent range
1:01:27SPEAKEReach day, by the time I come in the next morning,
1:01:30SPEAKERand I get it back when I, when I'm, like,
1:01:32SPEAKERthe next day when I don't leave the house.
1:01:34SPEAKER- Right.
1:01:35SPEAKER- It's, we're typically getting between 3.5 and four miles
1:01:39SPEAKERper kilowatt hour, which is, that is what the Bolt,
1:01:44SPEAKERit's basically the same mileage as the Bolt,
1:01:46SPEAKEReven though the car's a big chonky,
1:01:48SPEAKERjust because the powertrain's newer,
1:01:49SPEAKERand they're better at regenerative stuff, I guess, now.
1:01:56SPEAKERLet's see, the charger, oh yeah, this is fun.
1:02:01SPEAKERSo, the charger on this one locks on when you plug it in.
1:02:05SPEAKERLike, when you plug the charger in, it locks the charger,
1:02:07SPEAKERso you can't pull it out,
1:02:07SPEAKERyou can't press the button and remove it.
1:02:09SPEAKER- Oh, until what?
1:02:12SPEAKER- That's a good question, Brad.
1:02:14SPEAKERThe first time I plugged, got in the car,
1:02:17SPEAKERthe day after we picked it up, I was driving in
1:02:18SPEAKERto go to work, and I couldn't figure out how to unplug it.
1:02:22SPEAKER- Yikes.
1:02:23SPEAKER- I went and looked in the manual.
1:02:24SPEAKERThe manual has an all-time bad index.
1:02:26SPEAKERLike, the index is not, is woefully inadequate.
1:02:29SPEAKERI ended up having to search on the internet,
1:02:31SPEAKERand then I called the dealer,
1:02:33SPEAKER'cause I couldn't find the answer on the internet,
1:02:34SPEAKER'cause by this time, I feel like an idiot.
1:02:36SPEAKERSo, I called the dealer and I just said,
1:02:37SPEAKER"Hey, I don't want to, please don't give me any guff.
1:02:40SPEAKER"I just got this IONIQ 5, I can't figure out
1:02:43SPEAKER"how to unplug the damn thing, and I'm late for work."
1:02:45SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Oh, laugh."
1:02:47SPEAKERYou just unlock all the car doors.
1:02:49SPEAKERYou have to unlock, like, just unlocking
1:02:51SPEAKERthe driver's door doesn't do it.
1:02:53SPEAKERYou have to unlock all four doors.
1:02:55SPEAKER- The future sucks.
1:02:56SPEAKER- Which, like, it's a, just to be clear,
1:02:58SPEAKERthis is a feature you can turn off.
1:03:00SPEAKER- Okay, okay, good.
1:03:01SPEAKER- And honestly, as somebody who parks in their driveway
1:03:04SPEAKERand charges in their driveway, I kind of like it,
1:03:06SPEAKERbecause the power brick is 500 bucks,
1:03:10SPEAKERand it's just, you know, it would be really easy
1:03:12SPEAKERfor somebody to yank it out of my garage
1:03:14SPEAKERand run off with it if they were so inclined,
1:03:17SPEAKERexcept for now it's locked into the car,
1:03:18SPEAKERso I don't have to worry about that anymore.
1:03:21SPEAKERBut--
1:03:22SPEAKER- Weird, just that old, that everything you talk,
1:03:24SPEAKERlike, I'm just sitting here, like, eyes glazing over it,
1:03:26SPEAKERtrying to, like, comprehend everything you just said,
1:03:29SPEAKERincluding somebody stealing your car's power brick.
1:03:31SPEAKER- I mean, people steal category converters all the time,
1:03:33SPEAKERright? - Yeah, yeah, fair.
1:03:34SPEAKER- So, but here's the goofy thing.
1:03:36SPEAKERWhen I walk up to the car, it unlocks the doors.
1:03:40SPEAKERLike, they have the present sensors on the side doors,
1:03:44SPEAKERon the driver door, on the passenger door.
1:03:46SPEAKERWhen you walk near it, it just is like,
1:03:48SPEAKERand you have a key, I'm gonna unlock the door just in case.
1:03:51SPEAKERWhen you walk up to the back door, it opens the back door
1:03:54SPEAKERif you stand there for, like, three seconds, right?
1:03:56SPEAKER- Hey.
1:03:57SPEAKER- Why did they not put one of those sensors
1:03:59SPEAKERon the charge door?
1:04:00SPEAKERWhen you stand next to the charge door,
1:04:02SPEAKERI'm standing right there, like, hey, man, just open,
1:04:05SPEAKERand I have to take out the key fob and hit the button.
1:04:07SPEAKERAnyway, there's also a button on the key fob,
1:04:09SPEAKERfull disclosure.
1:04:10SPEAKERAnd, so, well, I'm gonna get to this in a minute,
1:04:15SPEAKERbut there's a bunch of, like, okay, it's in the manual,
1:04:18SPEAKERand it's on, like, they have a YouTube playlist
1:04:21SPEAKERfor Ionic users that has, like, 130 videos
1:04:24SPEAKERor something ridiculous in it, yikes.
1:04:27SPEAKERIf you plug in the car, like, a lot of EVs will have,
1:04:31SPEAKERlike, a quick charge, like, so you plug it in,
1:04:34SPEAKERyou hit the button, like, if you needed to charge it
1:04:35SPEAKERstarting right then, and you don't care how much
1:04:37SPEAKERthe electricity costs, you plug it in,
1:04:39SPEAKERyou hit the quick charge button.
1:04:40SPEAKERThis one doesn't have that, but if you plug it in
1:04:43SPEAKERand then long press the charge door button on the remote,
1:04:47SPEAKERit'll start charging immediately.
1:04:50SPEAKERHow am I supposed to know that?
1:04:51SPEAKERI guess I should have read the 3,000 page manual.
1:04:54SPEAKER- Spend more time on the subreddit.
1:04:56SPEAKER- Look, the subreddit, like I said, it's challenging.
1:05:00SPEAKERThe in-car computer stuff, oh, I wish that there,
1:05:03SPEAKERwe got the two years free of Electrify America, right?
1:05:06SPEAKERI'm gonna predominantly use Electrify America chargers.
1:05:10SPEAKERI wish the nav had a button that was like,
1:05:12SPEAKERyo, find me the nearest Electrify America.
1:05:15SPEAKER- Sure, that would be nice.
1:05:16SPEAKER- I would hammer that thing.
1:05:17SPEAKERI would be like, free money.
1:05:19SPEAKERI'm not paying for charge, all the gas.
1:05:21SPEAKERNo, they don't have that.
1:05:24SPEAKER- Ah, you know they've got some vested interest
1:05:26SPEAKERto make sure you don't use that benefit too much.
1:05:28SPEAKER- I mean, I guess, but Electrify, like, look,
1:05:31SPEAKERof the five long road trips we've gone on,
1:05:34SPEAKERtwo of them, Electrify America just wasn't charging that day
1:05:36SPEAKER'cause their billing system was down, so.
1:05:38SPEAKER- Right. - Like, it's not,
1:05:40SPEAKERit's not super expensive.
1:05:44SPEAKERSo yeah, let's see.
1:05:46SPEAKERStuff that, where am I?
1:05:49SPEAKEROh, in-car computer stuff.
1:05:52SPEAKERThis is the next subhead.
1:05:53SPEAKERI guess I'll share these notes as I've mentioned them now.
1:05:55SPEAKER- Yeah, we'll put these up.
1:05:58SPEAKER- They've done a thing that I love.
1:06:00SPEAKERThere's deep link buttons,
1:06:01SPEAKERphysical buttons on the steering wheel and on the dashboard
1:06:04SPEAKERthat you can set to go to whatever you want.
1:06:06SPEAKER- Okay, cool.
1:06:07SPEAKER- Like, one of them goes to CarPlay,
1:06:09SPEAKERone of them goes to the Hyundai Charger Nav.
1:06:12SPEAKER- Programmable buttons you've written here.
1:06:13SPEAKER- Programmable buttons. - That's important,
1:06:15SPEAKERcustomizable.
1:06:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I've never had a programmable button
1:06:18SPEAKERon a car before, that's exciting to me.
1:06:21SPEAKER- I love configuring shortcuts, that's pretty cool.
1:06:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I wish I could, I wish there was a scripting,
1:06:26SPEAKERI wish I could, like, hook it to a shortcuts link in iOS,
1:06:28SPEAKERthat would be really cool, but no.
1:06:31SPEAKERThe driver screen is really good.
1:06:34SPEAKEREVs, for people who don't know,
1:06:35SPEAKERusually have this thing that colloquially is known
1:06:39SPEAKERas the guess-o-meter or guess-o-meter.
1:06:42SPEAKER- Okay.
1:06:43SPEAKER- It tells you how far you can go
1:06:45SPEAKERon the charge you have based on how you drive.
1:06:47SPEAKER- Which obviously is enormously fuzzy
1:06:49SPEAKER'cause it doesn't know what you're going to encounter
1:06:51SPEAKERon whatever trip you might be taking.
1:06:52SPEAKER- Yeah, so the Chevrolet one, I think,
1:06:54SPEAKERon the one on the Bolt is the thought leader in this space.
1:06:59SPEAKERThere were a couple things it lacked,
1:07:00SPEAKERbut the main thing was it told you
1:07:01SPEAKERhow you were doing right now,
1:07:03SPEAKERwhat your maximum and minimums were,
1:07:06SPEAKERand whether you were trending up or down,
1:07:08SPEAKERas well as how you were doing in that instant.
1:07:11SPEAKERAll important stuff.
1:07:12SPEAKER- Yeah, real quick digression here.
1:07:15SPEAKERJust thinking about the amount of computation involved
1:07:17SPEAKERin just this one example.
1:07:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:07:19SPEAKER- I don't know if this is considered trade secret stuff,
1:07:22SPEAKERlike car companies wouldn't want to share stuff like this.
1:07:24SPEAKERI'm sure somebody could do a teardown
1:07:26SPEAKERif they really wanted to know.
1:07:27SPEAKERI would love to know just what is the total amount,
1:07:29SPEAKERwhat is the sum amount of compute in a given car these days?
1:07:33SPEAKERAnd broken down by actual microprocessors.
1:07:36SPEAKERI would love to know, okay,
1:07:38SPEAKERthere are eight different ARM chips in this thing,
1:07:40SPEAKERor something like, you know what I mean?
1:07:41SPEAKER- Oh, that's probably super tractable information.
1:07:44SPEAKER- You think so?
1:07:45SPEAKERWhat is the bill with materials on the compute
1:07:47SPEAKERin a given modern car?
1:07:49SPEAKERWhat types of, I know Nvidia is big in the car space,
1:07:52SPEAKERfor example.
1:07:53SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:07:54SPEAKER- I wonder how many Nvidia chips are in there, XYZ?
1:07:58SPEAKER- Well, for me, I think the question is it,
1:08:03SPEAKERwhat's the year that my car has more compute
1:08:06SPEAKERthan the entire world had?
1:08:08SPEAKERIs it like 1985?
1:08:10SPEAKER- Right, oh, you mean the car you have right now?
1:08:12SPEAKER- Yeah, the car, like my car has more compute
1:08:14SPEAKERthan the planet earth in what year?
1:08:16SPEAKER- Sure, it's a fun thought exercise.
1:08:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:08:20SPEAKER- I think what made me think of that is like,
1:08:22SPEAKERor maybe a better question is-
1:08:23SPEAKER- This is just calculus though.
1:08:24SPEAKERIt's not super complicated, I don't think.
1:08:25SPEAKER- No, it's not, it's not.
1:08:26SPEAKERAnd that's actually what made me wonder though,
1:08:27SPEAKERis there kind of one main CPU in a given car,
1:08:31SPEAKERor are they using like a lot of smaller processors
1:08:33SPEAKERand A6 and stuff like that?
1:08:34SPEAKERLike, you know, it's not like there's a core i7
1:08:38SPEAKERat the heart of the car or something, I'm sure.
1:08:41SPEAKER- No, it's probably some weird MIPS processor
1:08:43SPEAKERin the engines and stuff.
1:08:44SPEAKER- It's probably a bunch of smaller stuff,
1:08:46SPEAKERif I had to guess, or some smaller stuff.
1:08:49SPEAKER- I don't know, I think that,
1:08:50SPEAKERI wanna say the head unit had Linux GPL language
1:08:56SPEAKERin the buried screens.
1:08:58SPEAKER- I would believe that.
1:08:59SPEAKERAnyway, yeah, so the gasometer is pretty good.
1:09:02SPEAKERThis one gives you how you're doing in the instant,
1:09:04SPEAKERand how you're doing since, for this drive,
1:09:06SPEAKERsince last charge, and total estimated range.
1:09:10SPEAKERAnd the, how you're doing for this drive,
1:09:13SPEAKERit actually gives you numbers.
1:09:14SPEAKERSo it shows you like, oh, right now you're trending
1:09:17SPEAKERtowards zero miles per kilowatt hour,
1:09:19SPEAKERor here you're going seven miles per kilowatt hours,
1:09:21SPEAKERyou're going downhill.
1:09:23SPEAKERBut it gives you like where your average is for the,
1:09:26SPEAKERsince you started the drive.
1:09:28SPEAKERAnd you can actually pop up screens
1:09:31SPEAKERthat give you since last charge or lifetime as well,
1:09:34SPEAKERwhich is quite nice.
1:09:36SPEAKERLike I said, we're usually seeing 3.5 to four,
1:09:39SPEAKERdepending on how we're driving,
1:09:41SPEAKERhow many people are in the car.
1:09:44SPEAKERIt's pretty good.
1:09:45SPEAKERI still think the Bolt's better,
1:09:46SPEAKERbut maybe just what I'm used to.
1:09:50SPEAKERThis stereo has this really trippy quiet mode thing
1:09:52SPEAKERthat I would have loved to have when the Kiddo was a baby,
1:09:55SPEAKERwhere you hit a button on the dash,
1:09:56SPEAKERand it moves all the speakers and like noise cancels
1:09:59SPEAKERand white noise is something in the backseat.
1:10:01SPEAKERSo it gets real quiet in the backseat.
1:10:02SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.
1:10:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:10:04SPEAKERAnd you can still listen to music in the front seat
1:10:05SPEAKERor podcast or whatever you're listening to.
1:10:07SPEAKER- Do you think it's just playing the inverse in the back?
1:10:10SPEAKER- I wonder, it's definitely, like my first thought was,
1:10:13SPEAKERoh, this is really dopey because it's just,
1:10:16SPEAKERit's just moving everything,
1:10:17SPEAKERit's everything, moving everything to full front speakers.
1:10:20SPEAKERBut it seems like it's doing something more than that,
1:10:22SPEAKER'cause it is a little bit weird in the backseat.
1:10:24SPEAKER- Man, I have to hear that, or not hear that,
1:10:26SPEAKERI should say, at some point.
1:10:27SPEAKERLike the idea of ambient noise canceling like that
1:10:29SPEAKERsounds kind of fascinating.
1:10:32SPEAKER- The screen, yeah, it's two screens, just for the record.
1:10:36SPEAKERThere's a gap.
1:10:38SPEAKERThe other thing I love, on the left side,
1:10:40SPEAKERthere's a little, those cloth things
1:10:42SPEAKERon the left and the right are magnetic,
1:10:44SPEAKERso you can put little notes with magnets on 'em
1:10:46SPEAKERif you wanna keep your, if you're a supreme business guy
1:10:50SPEAKERand need to keep notes in the car.
1:10:51SPEAKER- That's goofy.
1:10:52SPEAKER- It's goofy.
1:10:54SPEAKERThe seat's programmable, it changes position
1:10:56SPEAKERbased on your presets.
1:10:58SPEAKERThere are two buttons.
1:11:00SPEAKERIt's complicated, though, 'cause everything is,
1:11:03SPEAKERand those buttons are tied to user profiles,
1:11:05SPEAKERwhich we'll talk about in a little bit,
1:11:06SPEAKER'cause this is the thing that tripped me out.
1:11:07SPEAKERThere are user profiles for this car, Brad.
1:11:10SPEAKER- That's wild and kind of cool, or could be cool.
1:11:13SPEAKERLike are the, I'm guessing like rear-view mirrors
1:11:16SPEAKERare not motorized, 'cause seat adjustment is one thing,
1:11:19SPEAKERbut if you could, if you were sharing a car with somebody,
1:11:21SPEAKERif you could think about everything that you have to adjust
1:11:24SPEAKERto drive a car after somebody else has driven it,
1:11:26SPEAKERand if all of that could be tied to your profile
1:11:28SPEAKERand one button could configure it for your use,
1:11:30SPEAKERthat would be kind of cool.
1:11:31SPEAKER- So it adjusts the outside mirrors.
1:11:33SPEAKERIt does not adjust the inside rear view.
1:11:37SPEAKERBut the inside rear view does have the camera mode
1:11:39SPEAKERthat I don't like, so if you use that,
1:11:42SPEAKERthen you don't need to adjust,
1:11:43SPEAKER'cause there's no reflection.
1:11:44SPEAKERYou're just using the feed out of the cameras
1:11:46SPEAKERin the back of the car.
1:11:49SPEAKERIt adjusts things like the HUD height, HUD position,
1:11:51SPEAKER'cause for different height people,
1:11:53SPEAKERthe HUD needs to be in different places.
1:11:55SPEAKERIt adjusts what the programmable buttons
1:11:58SPEAKERon the dashboard do, and what your preferences are,
1:12:01SPEAKERwhether you wanna start playing music
1:12:03SPEAKERwhen you, as soon as you get in the car.
1:12:04SPEAKERMy wife has her set so that it just hits the play,
1:12:07SPEAKERit tells her phone to play,
1:12:09SPEAKERand mine is quiet until I hit play.
1:12:11SPEAKERStuff like that.
1:12:12SPEAKERIt's kinda nice.
1:12:13SPEAKERIt's weird though, because they don't,
1:12:16SPEAKERlike for example, the programmable seats
1:12:18SPEAKERseem to be tied to the profile that you're on,
1:12:23SPEAKERso that my profile has two different seat adjustments,
1:12:26SPEAKERand her profile has two different seat adjustments,
1:12:28SPEAKERwhich kind of makes sense, but also doesn't.
1:12:31SPEAKERAnd then there's weird stuff that we found,
1:12:34SPEAKERthat you can split screen the center console screen,
1:12:38SPEAKERand that seems to be a setting that happens
1:12:40SPEAKERwhen you turn on the car.
1:12:43SPEAKERAnd if, for example, Gina's profile
1:12:45SPEAKERhas it set to split screen, and mine doesn't,
1:12:47SPEAKERand it starts the car in Gina's profile,
1:12:49SPEAKERand then I switch to my profile,
1:12:50SPEAKERmy shit will be split screened the entire time
1:12:52SPEAKERthat I'm driving the car.
1:12:53SPEAKERIt's just like, it's a bug,
1:12:55SPEAKERbut it's a weird thing to have as a bug.
1:12:58SPEAKER- I have a question.
1:12:59SPEAKER- Yes, hi?
1:13:00SPEAKER- Do you log into this car?
1:13:02SPEAKER- You do, it has my name, and it has her name,
1:13:04SPEAKERand it has guest, and you tap which person you are.
1:13:06SPEAKER- Like does that happen as soon as you crank the car?
1:13:09SPEAKER- When you power on the car, yeah.
1:13:10SPEAKER- Like every single time?
1:13:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:13:11SPEAKER- Quite quite literally, like a Windows login script?
1:13:13SPEAKERThat's incredible.
1:13:13SPEAKER- Well, 'cause it also keeps the driving,
1:13:15SPEAKERsome of the driving preferences.
1:13:17SPEAKERI think the safety stuff is universal,
1:13:19SPEAKERbut like how powerful the braking is,
1:13:23SPEAKERand stuff like that are per person.
1:13:25SPEAKERSo it's weird, and it's a little frustrating,
1:13:29SPEAKER'cause they don't make clear which things
1:13:31SPEAKERare profile settings, and which things are car settings,
1:13:34SPEAKERin a way that like a computer would tell you
1:13:36SPEAKERthis is a system setting, or this is a user setting.
1:13:38SPEAKER- Yeah, we'll get into this later,
1:13:40SPEAKERbut all of this is just tugging at my,
1:13:42SPEAKERthere's like, I'm so conflicted
1:13:44SPEAKERbetween all of the rad future shit in this,
1:13:47SPEAKERand, but also my inherent mistrust
1:13:50SPEAKERof too many points of failure.
1:13:54SPEAKER- Yes.
1:13:54SPEAKER- And too much automation, and stuff like that.
1:13:58SPEAKERI'm really torn about all of this.
1:14:00SPEAKER- Would you describe it as a mixed bag?
1:14:02SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, yes, anyway, continue.
1:14:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so let's see, it has this goofy full recline mode
1:14:09SPEAKERthat I don't understand why you need on a car that charges,
1:14:11SPEAKERlike on the Bolt, I would have loved to have this,
1:14:13SPEAKER'cause we're sitting there for an hour sometimes,
1:14:14SPEAKERI could take a nap.
1:14:15SPEAKEROn this thing, it charges at 20 minutes,
1:14:19SPEAKERso why do I need a full recline mode in the car?
1:14:21SPEAKERBut it has like leg pop-ups in the whole thing.
1:14:24SPEAKERIt has a seat chiller, and a seat heater,
1:14:27SPEAKERlike the seats are ventilated,
1:14:29SPEAKERwhen you hit the, I think it's a warmer button on the dash,
1:14:33SPEAKERit takes you to a screen
1:14:33SPEAKERwhere you can make your butt either cool or hot.
1:14:36SPEAKER- Chiller is amazing. - It's a pretty obvious
1:14:37SPEAKERtype of ear.
1:14:38SPEAKERChiller's great.
1:14:38SPEAKER- Seat heater's been around for a while,
1:14:40SPEAKERchiller is some next level stuff.
1:14:41SPEAKER- Chillers have been around for a little bit too,
1:14:42SPEAKERbut I'd never had a chiller before, it's very nice.
1:14:46SPEAKEROkay, this is something you're not gonna appreciate,
1:14:49SPEAKERbut you can have two phones
1:14:51SPEAKERconnected to the stereo at the same time,
1:14:52SPEAKERand one can drive the nav and the screen,
1:14:54SPEAKERand the other can Bluetooth audio in, and it just works.
1:14:57SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, I mean, we Zipcar enough cars
1:15:00SPEAKERthat I can see the utility there.
1:15:02SPEAKERThat's, sure, that's cool.
1:15:05SPEAKER- Means I have a built-in DJ
1:15:06SPEAKERwhenever I'm driving my daughter around.
1:15:07SPEAKERThe bad news is she almost exclusively plays Taylor Swift.
1:15:10SPEAKER- Well.
1:15:12SPEAKER- And yeah, there's a lot of convenience features.
1:15:14SPEAKERYou get the app, most gas cars,
1:15:17SPEAKERI think you have to pay for the app,
1:15:18SPEAKERa monthly or annual charge or something now with EVs.
1:15:22SPEAKERYeah, cars are a service, Brad.
1:15:24SPEAKER- That doesn't seem like that should be a profit driver.
1:15:27SPEAKER- Look, we're not gonna talk about Chevrolet,
1:15:29SPEAKERbut look, people have some weird ideas
1:15:32SPEAKERabout what people are willing to pay for in cars.
1:15:35SPEAKERYou get the app free 'cause of the electrics,
1:15:36SPEAKERyou need to be able to monitor charge and stuff like that.
1:15:40SPEAKERAnd that means that you can do things like,
1:15:42SPEAKERif you're walking out of the,
1:15:43SPEAKERif you're going to the checkout line at the grocery store
1:15:45SPEAKERand you're like, oh man, it's gonna be 90 degrees
1:15:47SPEAKERin the car when I get there.
1:15:48SPEAKERYou can hit the button and it turns on the AC
1:15:50SPEAKERso that it's all nice and cool when you get in the car,
1:15:52SPEAKERwhich is convenient.
1:15:54SPEAKERYou can also do things like tell it
1:15:56SPEAKERyou always leave for work at nine o'clock on Tuesday morning
1:15:58SPEAKERand it will preheat or cool the car for you
1:16:01SPEAKERdepending on what the outside temperature is.
1:16:04SPEAKERSo that when you get in the car, it's perfect
1:16:05SPEAKERand the windows are defrosted and the whole thing.
1:16:08SPEAKER- I have a question about air conditioning,
1:16:09SPEAKERwhich is probably a dumb question
1:16:10SPEAKERbecause I need to completely rethink
1:16:12SPEAKERhow I look at a car in the EV context.
1:16:16SPEAKERAnd with a combustion engine,
1:16:17SPEAKERyou need to be running the engines
1:16:18SPEAKERwho run the air conditioning.
1:16:19SPEAKER- Nope, you don't have to have it on.
1:16:21SPEAKER- Like nothing at all?
1:16:22SPEAKER- There's no engine.
1:16:23SPEAKER- But well, that's what I was gonna say.
1:16:25SPEAKERThat actually leads me to the bigger question of like,
1:16:26SPEAKERwhat is even running in the electrical context?
1:16:30SPEAKERLike you don't leave the car quote unquote running
1:16:33SPEAKERthe way that you would with a nice engine.
1:16:35SPEAKER- So like the equivalent of turning this car on
1:16:39SPEAKERis that there's a big solenoid,
1:16:40SPEAKERwhich is like a big heavy switch that flips on
1:16:46SPEAKERthe connection to the high voltage batteries.
1:16:48SPEAKERSo there's a 12 volt battery, just like an ICE car,
1:16:50SPEAKERbut that battery exists basically to turn things on
1:16:54SPEAKERwhen you start the car
1:16:55SPEAKERbefore you connect the 480 volt batteries.
1:16:57SPEAKERAnd there's a couple other systems that are 12 volt battery.
1:17:00SPEAKERLike the tailgate is a 12 volt battery thing.
1:17:02SPEAKEROn the bolt, you could actually hear a little chunk
1:17:04SPEAKERwhen the solenoid kicked over.
1:17:05SPEAKERI don't think I can hear it on this car.
1:17:07SPEAKERI haven't noticed it if I do.
1:17:10SPEAKERSome ionics, depending on which market you're in,
1:17:16SPEAKERhave a heat pump to do the cooling and the chilling.
1:17:23SPEAKERIt's unclear, like this is,
1:17:25SPEAKERthey sell in a bunch of different markets
1:17:27SPEAKERand they sell different,
1:17:28SPEAKERI think in the US we all get heat pumps.
1:17:32SPEAKERSee, okay, no, I do not, that's actually not true.
1:17:35SPEAKERWe all have battery preheating.
1:17:37SPEAKERWe do not all have heat pumps.
1:17:38SPEAKERI think the heat pump is limited to all wheel drive,
1:17:41SPEAKERdepending on which year you're in.
1:17:44SPEAKERAnd I don't know if they changed that for 2024
1:17:46SPEAKER'cause the most recent thing I've seen is,
1:17:49SPEAKERhey, the 2023 models.
1:17:51SPEAKERSo anyway, I don't know where I was going with this.
1:17:55SPEAKER- There's a lot here, I get it.
1:17:58SPEAKER- The upshot is this car even has another thing,
1:18:01SPEAKERI didn't talk about this.
1:18:02SPEAKERIt actually has 120 volt normal last power plug
1:18:06SPEAKERin the backseat that you can use
1:18:08SPEAKERlike when you're camping and stuff.
1:18:09SPEAKER- Wow, that's cool.
1:18:11SPEAKER- You can set the car in a mode
1:18:12SPEAKERthat will just let you use that indefinitely
1:18:14SPEAKERuntil you hit whatever specified power minimum
1:18:18SPEAKERthat you want, battery minimum that you want.
1:18:20SPEAKER- Dude, 1987 me is completely losing my mind right now
1:18:23SPEAKERat the idea of being able to bring a TV
1:18:25SPEAKERand a video game system, play them in the backseat.
1:18:27SPEAKER- Yeah, or I think a lot of people use it for like battery,
1:18:30SPEAKERlike powered coolers and stuff like that.
1:18:32SPEAKER- Yeah, they're way more practical uses for that.
1:18:34SPEAKERBut that's kind of always been the dream though
1:18:36SPEAKERis just like wall power in the car, right?
1:18:38SPEAKER- Yeah, my daughter just plugged in her laptop
1:18:40SPEAKERand she was like, oh right, okay,
1:18:42SPEAKERthis is the thing you can do now.
1:18:44SPEAKER- How long before like USB-C ports in the dash
1:18:47SPEAKERthat do like 65 watt charging or whatever?
1:18:49SPEAKER- So I don't think this car has USB-C port.
1:18:52SPEAKERIt might have one USB-C port.
1:18:54SPEAKERI think we have five USB-A ports that go,
1:18:58SPEAKERthat charge as fast as I would want in the car.
1:19:02SPEAKERI don't think they would run my laptop.
1:19:03SPEAKERI don't remember what, I don't think I,
1:19:05SPEAKERI don't know that they list what version of the spec it is.
1:19:08SPEAKERThe thing that was confusing to me
1:19:09SPEAKERis that there's a button that makes the USB ports
1:19:11SPEAKEReither data or power only.
1:19:14SPEAKERAnd I didn't know that for a long time
1:19:16SPEAKER'cause I was like, why does only one of these ports
1:19:17SPEAKERwork with the head unit of the car?
1:19:19SPEAKERAnd it's because we hadn't pressed the button
1:19:21SPEAKERthat makes them data ports.
1:19:22SPEAKERAnyway, things I don't like about this car.
1:19:27SPEAKERThis is a less long list, luckily.
1:19:30SPEAKERIt's big, it's a big car.
1:19:32SPEAKERI was used, I got used to the Bolt,
1:19:34SPEAKERwhich basically like if there's a parking space
1:19:36SPEAKERin San Francisco, the Bolt will fit in it.
1:19:39SPEAKERIt was very easy to park 'cause the wheels
1:19:40SPEAKERare all the way at the front
1:19:41SPEAKERand all the way at the back of that car.
1:19:43SPEAKERThis thing's a little bit more,
1:19:44SPEAKERit's a kind of a, you know, it's a station wagon.
1:19:47SPEAKERIt's a big car.
1:19:50SPEAKERThe window needs a rear windshield wiper
1:19:53SPEAKERto the point that they've actually added one
1:19:54SPEAKERto the 2025 models, people complained enough.
1:19:57SPEAKER- Interesting.
1:19:58SPEAKER- It's got a spoiler above the window
1:20:02SPEAKERand the angle on the window is such
1:20:05SPEAKERthat it doesn't catch very much wind.
1:20:07SPEAKERSo when it gets wet, you just can't see out the back at all.
1:20:10SPEAKERIt's annoying.
1:20:11SPEAKER- That's problematic.
1:20:11SPEAKER- It's not great.
1:20:12SPEAKERI ended up rain-exing the back windshield
1:20:15SPEAKERso that the water would just kind of roll off.
1:20:18SPEAKERIt doesn't have wireless carplay,
1:20:19SPEAKERwhich feels like a really goofy choice in 2024.
1:20:22SPEAKER- You just cannot even get it as an option?
1:20:24SPEAKER- It is not an option on this car
1:20:26SPEAKERbecause of the head unit they put in the car.
1:20:28SPEAKER- Weird.
1:20:29SPEAKER- The next year, 2025 models, I believe,
1:20:31SPEAKERhave wireless carplay 'cause they switched
1:20:33SPEAKERto a different CPU, different package
1:20:36SPEAKERfor the entertainment system.
1:20:38SPEAKERIt does have wireless charging.
1:20:40SPEAKERSo you tell me what's going on with that.
1:20:44SPEAKER- For phones, you mean?
1:20:46SPEAKER- For phones, yeah.
1:20:47SPEAKERIt has a keypad.
1:20:48SPEAKER- Moving vehicle, I don't...
1:20:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fine.
1:20:50SPEAKERIt's a little nook that your phone kind of sits in.
1:20:53SPEAKER- Oh, okay, if it's braced in some way
1:20:54SPEAKERwhere it doesn't just get jostled off the pad,
1:20:56SPEAKERI guess that's fine.
1:20:57SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know what kind of driving you're doing,
1:20:58SPEAKERbut we're not going off-road in here, man.
1:21:02SPEAKER- It seems, yeah, so there's a lot of fun about this.
1:21:06SPEAKERThey're bringing it to some cars that use the other,
1:21:09SPEAKERthe Kia, the Evos, one of the other electric Hyundai's
1:21:14SPEAKERis getting a retrofit to wireless carplay.
1:21:18SPEAKERIt seems like the Onik 5s do not from 2024 and older.
1:21:23SPEAKEREvery single button in the car has short-press,
1:21:25SPEAKERlong-press behavior.
1:21:28SPEAKER- That seems annoying.
1:21:29SPEAKER- It's, okay, it's annoying for two reasons.
1:21:32SPEAKEROne is that short-press, long-press is notoriously difficult
1:21:35SPEAKERto discover on your own because usually
1:21:37SPEAKERif something different happens, you're just like,
1:21:38SPEAKERwell, what the fuck just happened?
1:21:40SPEAKERWhich is precisely the experience you have
1:21:42SPEAKERif you do things like pull the regen braking paddle
1:21:45SPEAKERfor too long and it goes from,
1:21:46SPEAKERinstead of going into the i-pedal mode,
1:21:48SPEAKERthe one-pedal driving mode, it goes into the auto regen
1:21:51SPEAKERwhere it looks at your driving conditions
1:21:53SPEAKERand regens optimally based on what you're doing.
1:21:55SPEAKER- Yes, now I am flashing back to you every time
1:21:58SPEAKERI have ever activated some function through long-pressing
1:22:00SPEAKERsomething I didn't know was there.
1:22:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a bad user design pattern.
1:22:07SPEAKERThe nav button, when you long-press it,
1:22:09SPEAKERit goes to searching for nav points.
1:22:11SPEAKERWhen you short-press it, it opens up the current drive.
1:22:14SPEAKERIt's absolutely maddening.
1:22:17SPEAKEREven the remote menu, the key fob
1:22:21SPEAKERhas long-press, short-press.
1:22:22SPEAKERSo if you long, like in order to get the car
1:22:26SPEAKERto start climate control remotely,
1:22:28SPEAKERyou have to press the lock button once
1:22:30SPEAKERand then long-press the auto-start button.
1:22:32SPEAKERIf you do the wrong sequence of commands,
1:22:35SPEAKERyou can make the car drive itself, which is great.
1:22:37SPEAKERLike if you, I think you have to lock the car,
1:22:39SPEAKERthen hold auto-press long enough for it to start,
1:22:41SPEAKERand then press one of the go forward
1:22:43SPEAKERor go back parking buttons,
1:22:44SPEAKERand it'll pull into the parking space
1:22:46SPEAKERor pull out of the parking space for you.
1:22:48SPEAKER- There's too much to remember.
1:22:49SPEAKER- It's weird, it's a lot.
1:22:53SPEAKERFor what it's worth, I'm not that,
1:22:55SPEAKERnot to go back, but to go back
1:22:56SPEAKERto the wireless carplay thing,
1:22:58SPEAKERhaving had rental cars and stuff with wireless carplay,
1:23:00SPEAKERI don't actually mind not having it in a shared car,
1:23:03SPEAKERbecause it always, it invariably picked the phone
1:23:06SPEAKERthat we didn't want to connect to it.
1:23:09SPEAKERAnyway, yeah, the long-press, short-press thing is weird.
1:23:12SPEAKERTo park the wipers, this is my favorite,
1:23:14SPEAKERit has hidden wipers, so that means
1:23:16SPEAKERwhen you're washing the windshield,
1:23:17SPEAKERyou can't lift the wipers up
1:23:19SPEAKERwithout doing a thing to park them in a right place.
1:23:22SPEAKERAnd to do that, you start the car,
1:23:25SPEAKERthen you turn off the car,
1:23:26SPEAKERthen you long-press the mist switch on the lever
1:23:30SPEAKERuntil they finally go up and lock into place
1:23:33SPEAKERstraight up and down.
1:23:34SPEAKERThat was a YouTube video to find that one out.
1:23:36SPEAKER- Why?
1:23:37SPEAKERYou have to turn the car on and then off.
1:23:39SPEAKER- 'Cause assuming, I mean, you could just turn it off,
1:23:42SPEAKERbut presumably if you're trying to do something
1:23:44SPEAKERwith the windshield wipers, the car's probably off to start.
1:23:46SPEAKER- Okay, I thought this was gonna be
1:23:48SPEAKERone of those smart light bulb,
1:23:50SPEAKERlike three on, two off situations or something?
1:23:52SPEAKER- You have to push the mist button up
1:23:55SPEAKERwithin 30 seconds of turning off the car.
1:23:57SPEAKER- Okay, oh, oh, so there is a time, so you do it, yeah.
1:24:00SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a timed window.
1:24:02SPEAKER- That seems untimely.
1:24:03SPEAKER- There's a lot of automatic car wash horror stories
1:24:06SPEAKERon the subreddit about people who go into the car wash
1:24:09SPEAKERand put it in neutral, and then it automatically engages
1:24:11SPEAKERthe emergency brake, or it has automatic windshield wipers,
1:24:16SPEAKERso it uses the camera on the front to detect rain
1:24:18SPEAKERand the windshield automatically flips the windshield wipers
1:24:20SPEAKERon and off, you can turn that off.
1:24:23SPEAKERYeah, anyway, I have a checklist of stuff I'm gonna do
1:24:26SPEAKERif I'm gonna run it through an automatic car wash.
1:24:28SPEAKERI just started washing it at the self-wash place
1:24:31SPEAKER'cause it's easier, I'm afraid.
1:24:34SPEAKERAnd it has two voice interfaces, this is great.
1:24:37SPEAKERYou have your CarPlay Siri that comes through your phone,
1:24:41SPEAKERand then, go away Siri, you also have the Hyundai,
1:24:45SPEAKERtheir version of the thing.
1:24:47SPEAKERAnd some things work on one thing,
1:24:50SPEAKERsome things work on the other.
1:24:51SPEAKERFor example, I can tell the Hyundai to open the charge door
1:24:54SPEAKERand it'll open the charge door for me, which is kinda fun,
1:24:55SPEAKER'cause I feel like the guy from 2001.
1:25:00SPEAKEROn the other hand, if I want to do nav based on my calendar,
1:25:05SPEAKERthe Hyundai thing doesn't have access to that,
1:25:07SPEAKEReven though it's supposed to let you sync your calendars
1:25:09SPEAKERto the head unit so that you can get your location
1:25:12SPEAKERfor your next meeting or whatever,
1:25:13SPEAKERand it just puts into the nav for you.
1:25:15SPEAKERSo it's a little under featured for a car
1:25:17SPEAKERthat is not particularly well integrated with CarPlay.
1:25:23SPEAKERThere's a lot of car features like opening the charge door
1:25:26SPEAKERthat are tied to voice control,
1:25:27SPEAKERand there's just no UI button for it all,
1:25:30SPEAKERwhich is a weird choice when it's a software interface
1:25:32SPEAKERwith screens and adding buttons has no cost.
1:25:35SPEAKER- And customizable buttons as well.
1:25:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I wonder if I can do one of the customized buttons
1:25:40SPEAKERto open the charge door, that'd be interesting.
1:25:42SPEAKERI don't know if it's high value enough for me,
1:25:44SPEAKER'cause you can also just press on the charge door
1:25:45SPEAKERand it'll open if the car is unlocked.
1:25:47SPEAKERBut anyway, there's no conversation between the phone
1:25:51SPEAKERand the head unit, which is pretty normal.
1:25:54SPEAKERLike the CarPlay doesn't get battery data
1:25:58SPEAKERfrom the car over CarPlay, this isn't Hyundai's fault,
1:26:01SPEAKERthis is Apple and Google's fault, it's not part of the API.
1:26:05SPEAKERIt would be nice using tools like a better route planner
1:26:07SPEAKERand stuff like that to plan your more complicated,
1:26:09SPEAKERlonger drives, but there are ways around it,
1:26:12SPEAKEReither using third-party services
1:26:14SPEAKERthat connect to Hyundai's cloud stuff,
1:26:17SPEAKERwhich has an API or using one of those dongles
1:26:21SPEAKERthat plugs into the, I want to say it's the ODB port,
1:26:24SPEAKERbut it's the OBD, I think.
1:26:25SPEAKER- The OBD port? - Yeah, OBD2.
1:26:28SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like the kind of thing
1:26:29SPEAKERthat might standardize over time,
1:26:31SPEAKERif and when the bulk of cars on the road are EV,
1:26:36SPEAKERmaybe that kind of data starts getting wrapped
1:26:38SPEAKERin some standard format that everything can understand,
1:26:40SPEAKERI don't know.
1:26:41SPEAKER- I think as the cars get faster at charging
1:26:44SPEAKERand the chargers get more prevalent,
1:26:45SPEAKERhopefully you just don't need that information anymore.
1:26:48SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, it's still nice to have.
1:26:51SPEAKER- I haven't figured out how to change
1:26:53SPEAKERthe air conditioner intake mode from fresh to closed.
1:26:59SPEAKER- Inside versus outside.
1:27:00SPEAKER- It does it automatically in a whole bunch of conditions,
1:27:02SPEAKERlike if you use the windshield wipers.
1:27:05SPEAKER- That's pretty basic spray control functionality.
1:27:07SPEAKER- Yeah, if you use the sprayer, it does it.
1:27:09SPEAKERIf it detects the humidity going up in the car,
1:27:11SPEAKERit turns it on automatically and deals with it for you.
1:27:14SPEAKERThere's a whole bunch of reasons it'll do it automatically.
1:27:16SPEAKERNo idea how to do it manually.
1:27:18SPEAKERNothing in the index either.
1:27:20SPEAKER- You know, on my '94 Civic, it's just a button.
1:27:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it has a circle on it and the arrows.
1:27:26SPEAKERYeah, anyway.
1:27:28SPEAKERThe on-screen HUD, weirdly anemic,
1:27:30SPEAKERgives you a lot of information about energy usage
1:27:32SPEAKERand the electric car gasometer and all that stuff,
1:27:35SPEAKERwhich I like, but it doesn't have an option
1:27:37SPEAKERto show you what song is currently playing
1:27:40SPEAKERin a way that you, without using the center console,
1:27:42SPEAKERwhich like every other car I've driven
1:27:44SPEAKERin the last 15 years has had.
1:27:47SPEAKERAnd every setting is buried 19 menus deep
1:27:50SPEAKERin the on-screen display.
1:27:52SPEAKER- Right.
1:27:56SPEAKER- And then there's a bunch of weird, inconsistent stuff,
1:27:57SPEAKERlike the driver profiles, having seat profiles tied to them,
1:28:01SPEAKERbut acting, but like the seat position profiles
1:28:03SPEAKERdon't change the side mirrors and it gets weird.
1:28:08SPEAKERThe stuff that just doesn't work,
1:28:10SPEAKERlike the calendar thing is unfortunate.
1:28:12SPEAKERThey say that that's coming later this year,
1:28:14SPEAKERbut who knows?
1:28:16SPEAKERThe app is free, which is nice,
1:28:19SPEAKERbut it only can do one action at a time.
1:28:22SPEAKERIt can't queue actions, so if you're like,
1:28:24SPEAKERoh, if it, for example, triggers a refresh,
1:28:27SPEAKERyou have to wait for that refresh to come in
1:28:29SPEAKERbefore you can say, oh, I wanna do the climate starter,
1:28:31SPEAKERI wanna lock the doors or whatever.
1:28:35SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of weird motors on this car,
1:28:37SPEAKERlike the rear view mirror's folded in and out,
1:28:39SPEAKERthe door handles pop out, all this stuff moves all the time,
1:28:43SPEAKERand it just feels like a whole bunch of crap
1:28:44SPEAKERto break in the future.
1:28:46SPEAKERMotors are easy, maybe I'm worrying about something
1:28:49SPEAKERthat's not a problem, I don't know.
1:28:51SPEAKEROh, and it has this weird virtual key thing
1:28:54SPEAKERthat you can do, make a digital key
1:28:56SPEAKERthat you can share, like I could give you
1:28:58SPEAKERa virtual key to my car via email.
1:29:01SPEAKER- I don't know about that.
1:29:02SPEAKER- Well, so there's times when it would be really handy,
1:29:05SPEAKERlike I got stuck doing something,
1:29:06SPEAKERI'm like, hey, can you go move my car for me here?
1:29:08SPEAKER- Absolutely.
1:29:09SPEAKER- Boom, blah, blah, blah.
1:29:09SPEAKER- You can totally see the utility of it,
1:29:10SPEAKERbut also the ability to just export,
1:29:13SPEAKERthe ability to enter your car in a way that,
1:29:16SPEAKERwho knows what security concerns exist around that
1:29:19SPEAKERand how they're safeguarding that.
1:29:21SPEAKER- Okay, so the process for making the digital key
1:29:23SPEAKERinvolves about 15 minutes of sitting in the car
1:29:24SPEAKERand putting the phone in a specific place in the car
1:29:26SPEAKERand a bunch of stuff like that.
1:29:28SPEAKERIt uses the secure vault on the phone is what's happening.
1:29:32SPEAKER- Oh, so you need the, wait, you need the target phone there?
1:29:36SPEAKER- You need A, to make the first virtual key,
1:29:39SPEAKERyou need the target phone in your car.
1:29:42SPEAKERAfter that, you can send the target the key virtually
1:29:47SPEAKERvia email or like using their app as actually what happens.
1:29:50SPEAKER- Can you like set an expiration on the key, for example?
1:29:53SPEAKERLike this is good for the next 24 hours or something?
1:29:55SPEAKER- Well, so it's interesting you asked that.
1:29:56SPEAKERI don't know, 'cause it's an Android only feature.
1:29:59SPEAKERI didn't, I don't have an Android phone
1:30:00SPEAKERthat works with that, so.
1:30:03SPEAKERMy understanding is you can revoke access
1:30:05SPEAKERto the key at any point along the way.
1:30:07SPEAKERProbably not while they're driving.
1:30:09SPEAKERAnd that's pretty much it.
1:30:10SPEAKERThat's where, that's what's up with it.
1:30:12SPEAKERThe other thing that's interesting that's happened
1:30:13SPEAKERis that since we got this car,
1:30:15SPEAKERthe Ionic 5N has come out.
1:30:17SPEAKER- Yeah, this is what I was waiting to talk about.
1:30:19SPEAKER- It's getting wild, like it's a car,
1:30:23SPEAKERthey do a bunch of weird skeuomorphic stuff
1:30:25SPEAKERto make it feel like a gas car with gears
1:30:27SPEAKERand like you use the paddles for shifting
1:30:29SPEAKERinstead of regeneration settings and all that.
1:30:31SPEAKER- Yeah, like having been home recently
1:30:34SPEAKERand driven my old five-speed really reminded me
1:30:36SPEAKERhow much I love driving a manual to the point that like,
1:30:39SPEAKERI still feel like if I were to need to buy a new car,
1:30:41SPEAKERI would still just get a combustion engine manual
1:30:44SPEAKERif I could.
1:30:45SPEAKER- Good luck, 'cause there's like three of them left.
1:30:46SPEAKER- Well, Civic is still one of them.
1:30:48SPEAKERI would not mind owning another Civic, quite frankly.
1:30:50SPEAKERBut the other reason is 'cause it's probably
1:30:53SPEAKERmy last chance, right?
1:30:54SPEAKERLike by the time I would buy the car after that,
1:30:57SPEAKERthere probably will be zero of them on the road.
1:30:59SPEAKERBut at the same time, reading about this thing,
1:31:03SPEAKERshoving fake gears and a fake gear shifter into this thing.
1:31:06SPEAKER- And noises, just to be clear.
1:31:08SPEAKERNoises and like over rev warnings and the whole thing.
1:31:11SPEAKER- Haptic feedback, like it's similar.
1:31:13SPEAKERMy understanding is it like simulates the feel of red line.
1:31:16SPEAKER'Cause like, that's how you, that's, you know,
1:31:17SPEAKERlike after you drive a manual long enough,
1:31:19SPEAKERyou don't even look at the tack, you just shift by feel,
1:31:21SPEAKERyou know, you just feel.
1:31:22SPEAKER- Sound and feel, yeah.
1:31:23SPEAKER- Right, like you just feel when you're red lining
1:31:25SPEAKERand you should just shift up, you know?
1:31:26SPEAKERAnd like, this is simulating all of that.
1:31:29SPEAKERI don't think I would, I'm sure,
1:31:31SPEAKERI totally believe it feels great.
1:31:33SPEAKERI don't think I would ever get over myself though.
1:31:36SPEAKERI don't think I would ever get past the point
1:31:37SPEAKERwhere it's just placebo.
1:31:38SPEAKERIt's not actually doing anything
1:31:40SPEAKERto the operation of the vehicle.
1:31:41SPEAKER- Well, so it's not just that, they do other stuff too.
1:31:44SPEAKERLike they stiffen the body,
1:31:45SPEAKERthere's a bunch more weld points on the car.
1:31:47SPEAKERThey're like, they did other stuff to the car.
1:31:49SPEAKERIt has a bigger battery, additional battery cooling.
1:31:52SPEAKERAnd I think a different,
1:31:53SPEAKEReven chemical composition battery.
1:31:55SPEAKER- Oh, well that all sounds just like
1:31:56SPEAKERgeneral build stuff though.
1:31:57SPEAKERWhat I mean is the just electing to use this...
1:32:01SPEAKER- Poser mode.
1:32:02SPEAKER- Yes, manual transmission or not.
1:32:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:32:04SPEAKER- Like I don't think I could ever make myself do it
1:32:05SPEAKER'cause I would know deep down it was doing nothing.
1:32:07SPEAKER- That was precisely my read on the whole thing.
1:32:10SPEAKERAnd then the reviews for it started coming out
1:32:12SPEAKERand people were like, man,
1:32:14SPEAKERthis is like an all time value track car.
1:32:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I pulled up the first, gosh,
1:32:20SPEAKERI don't think I still have the right up in front.
1:32:22SPEAKERNo, I do, it's on insideevs.com.
1:32:27SPEAKERI was ready to hate Hyundai's fake EV quote shifting
1:32:30SPEAKERand steer quotes, so then I tried it.
1:32:32SPEAKERAnd it's this thing just raves about this feature.
1:32:34SPEAKERAnd I felt like I was losing my mind
1:32:36SPEAKERthe whole time I was reading this.
1:32:37SPEAKER- Yeah, they were talking about it in the same way
1:32:39SPEAKERthat people talked about the WRXs 10 years ago
1:32:41SPEAKERand stuff like that.
1:32:42SPEAKERLike it sounds bonkers.
1:32:45SPEAKERI know enough people who...
1:32:49SPEAKERYeah, this is one of the ones I read too.
1:32:51SPEAKERI know a couple of people who used to be tech journalists
1:32:53SPEAKERto now drive cars that were like,
1:32:55SPEAKERyeah, I was kind of blown away by this, to do car stuff.
1:32:59SPEAKERI'm, I don't know.
1:33:02SPEAKERIt feels really weird.
1:33:03SPEAKERIt feels like putting notepad lines
1:33:07SPEAKERon your phone apps in 2010, right?
1:33:11SPEAKERLike it feels...
1:33:12SPEAKER- At least those have some kind of like
1:33:13SPEAKERpractical alignment purpose.
1:33:15SPEAKERThis is like purely to make you feel good, which you know.
1:33:17SPEAKER- I mean, but the lines on the phone screen didn't
1:33:19SPEAKER'cause the text went down.
1:33:21SPEAKERIt's not like you're drawing with your finger.
1:33:22SPEAKERIt was just typed text.
1:33:23SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.
1:33:24SPEAKERI think the argument is, the argument I saw
1:33:28SPEAKERthat made me kind of come around on it was
1:33:32SPEAKERit's skeuomorphic, but it's skeuomorphic
1:33:33SPEAKERto take the skills you've learned
1:33:35SPEAKERlearning how to drive an ICE car.
1:33:37SPEAKERAnd then it gives you this acceleration
1:33:39SPEAKERthat you get with an electric car
1:33:41SPEAKERin that kind of track compatible package.
1:33:44SPEAKERIt even does stuff like front load the braking
1:33:47SPEAKERso that the front wheels brake harder
1:33:49SPEAKERso that you get good traction going into turns
1:33:52SPEAKERand stuff like that.
1:33:54SPEAKERAnd it has, like, it's a card made for people
1:33:58SPEAKERwho like to take their car to the track, really.
1:33:59SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:34:00SPEAKERYeah, that's the context in which this article is written,
1:34:03SPEAKERwhich also the idea of this like crossover looking
1:34:06SPEAKERalmost sport utility thing at the track
1:34:08SPEAKERis maybe a little weird, but...
1:34:09SPEAKER- Well, there's a history.
1:34:11SPEAKERI mean, like it's the Subaru and all that stuff.
1:34:13SPEAKERThere's a history of those.
1:34:15SPEAKER- Yes.
1:34:16SPEAKERYeah, I mean, this is not a full on one of those anyway.
1:34:19SPEAKER- I wrote, oh, it also has bigger motors
1:34:21SPEAKERand like I said, a bigger battery.
1:34:24SPEAKERThe 2025s have a, I think an 84 kilowatt hour option now.
1:34:30SPEAKER- I almost feel like I wish they would compromise
1:34:33SPEAKERthe base experience.
1:34:34SPEAKER- What do you mean?
1:34:35SPEAKER- So that I would at least know that,
1:34:36SPEAKERand I'm not saying that to penalize people
1:34:38SPEAKERwho don't use the manual feature.
1:34:39SPEAKERI'm saying I need to know that the car is actually,
1:34:42SPEAKERI need to know that I am mechanically benefiting
1:34:44SPEAKERin some way from operating the car in this fashion.
1:34:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
1:34:47SPEAKER- What's the point of doing it?
1:34:48SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so the thing about it,
1:34:51SPEAKERI mean, I guess that's true,
1:34:52SPEAKERbut the thing about it is it's an electric car.
1:34:56SPEAKERSo it's gonna out accelerate
1:34:57SPEAKERalmost every gas car you can buy, right?
1:35:00SPEAKERYour zero to 50 is gonna be nuts
1:35:02SPEAKERif the tires can handle the amount of torque
1:35:04SPEAKERthat you put down.
1:35:05SPEAKERAnd it's all electric sort of like that.
1:35:09SPEAKERLike the Bolt accelerates like crazy.
1:35:11SPEAKERThe Bolt's only two wheel, one motor,
1:35:12SPEAKERit's two wheel drive.
1:35:13SPEAKERSo it's a little different situation,
1:35:14SPEAKERbut like it's ridiculous acceleration
1:35:18SPEAKERout of even shitty EVs compared to your gas cars.
1:35:22SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I believe it.
1:35:23SPEAKER- Anyway, yeah, I'm curious.
1:35:25SPEAKERAt some point when they get, when they have them,
1:35:27SPEAKERthe last time I went by the dealership,
1:35:30SPEAKERthey had them and they're selling them,
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1:35:36SPEAKERI want to go on a test drive 'cause I'm curious.
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1:38:14SPEAKER- That's right, I'm going to Los Angeles in like 36 hours.
1:38:18SPEAKER- Is this, oh no, you've been to North Carolina a few times,
1:38:20SPEAKERbut I was gonna say, is this the first plane ride,
1:38:22SPEAKERbut it's not.
1:38:23SPEAKER- First LA trip in five years though.
1:38:26SPEAKER- I mean, it's funny, there was a period of time in like,
1:38:29SPEAKERactually when we started doing this podcast
1:38:31SPEAKERwhere I was going to LA sometimes twice a month,
1:38:34SPEAKERand I missed the food.
1:38:36SPEAKERI ate a lot of good food, the real good izakaya
1:38:39SPEAKERthat I used to go to that was cheap and good,
1:38:42SPEAKERand they had good beer, and it was real smoky,
1:38:44SPEAKERbut not cigarette smoky,
1:38:45SPEAKERlike the wood smoke from the fire
1:38:46SPEAKERthat they cooked the food on.
1:38:48SPEAKER- That sounds exciting.
1:38:49SPEAKER- And they had $5 hand rolls, which was exciting too, yeah.
1:38:52SPEAKER- I'm gonna be entirely in the downtown area.
1:38:55SPEAKER- This is entire, well, it's not all the way
1:38:56SPEAKERin the downtown area, but it's like-
1:38:58SPEAKER- It's traded around, I'm just gonna throw out names
1:39:01SPEAKERlike Figueroa and Pico and Wilshire.
1:39:03SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
1:39:04SPEAKER- They'll tell you anything.
1:39:07SPEAKER- That storefront loft where you recorded
1:39:09SPEAKERthe giant bomb stuff last time I was there
1:39:11SPEAKERwas a really expensive looking store.
1:39:14SPEAKER- This is so weird, dude.
1:39:15SPEAKERThat is the third time someone has independently
1:39:18SPEAKERmentioned that location to me today.
1:39:20SPEAKER- That place was really weird, man.
1:39:21SPEAKER- It was fucking scary.
1:39:22SPEAKERIt came up, that came up on the next Lander podcast
1:39:24SPEAKERthat we recorded this morning,
1:39:25SPEAKERand then I saw a giant bomb kind of super mod, Marino,
1:39:30SPEAKERon Twitter posting, or no, he posted them on giant bomb,
1:39:32SPEAKERon an article actually.
1:39:34SPEAKERHe posted some photos of that place when we rented it out,
1:39:37SPEAKERand now you're bringing it up.
1:39:38SPEAKERThat place, the place was terrifying,
1:39:40SPEAKERso I guess I'm not surprised that people remember it.
1:39:41SPEAKER- Like, we had a bunch of weird,
1:39:44SPEAKERlike that one was after, that was a CBS one, right?
1:39:49SPEAKER- God, that might have been the first CBS one, I don't know.
1:39:52SPEAKER- I don't think we would have paid for that at Whiskey,
1:39:53SPEAKER'cause you were recording out of an Airbnb at Whiskey,
1:39:56SPEAKERor somebody's, some house that was like some--
1:39:58SPEAKER- We were recording out of some USC student house
1:40:01SPEAKERthat they were subletting for three,
1:40:03SPEAKERyou know, they were Airbnbing.
1:40:04SPEAKERBefore Airbnb, they were giving it to us
1:40:06SPEAKERfor five nights or whatever.
1:40:08SPEAKER- Yeah, that place had bars on the windows,
1:40:10SPEAKERand probably the third grossest couch I've ever slept on.
1:40:14SPEAKER- Yep, yep, I think we heard helicopter.
1:40:15SPEAKEROh, that's right, didn't you guys,
1:40:16SPEAKERlike you came down for one,
1:40:17SPEAKERlike you guys always covered E3 for like one day, right?
1:40:20SPEAKER- Yeah, well, we came down for one,
1:40:21SPEAKERI think, I wanna say I had gone
1:40:22SPEAKERto the friend's wedding in Phoenix,
1:40:24SPEAKERand it was like easier for me to just fly straight.
1:40:27SPEAKERLike, I just flew straight into LA the night before,
1:40:30SPEAKERand did the live show, and then did E3 the next day,
1:40:34SPEAKERand then went home, I think, yeah.
1:40:35SPEAKER- I remember, that's right.
1:40:36SPEAKERI remember you guys just coming through
1:40:37SPEAKERand crashing in the house for one day,
1:40:39SPEAKERwhich just really added to the whole collegiate feel.
1:40:42SPEAKER- It was very collegial.
1:40:43SPEAKERBut that place, was it on Figueroa or something?
1:40:47SPEAKER- I can't remember.
1:40:48SPEAKER- It was somewhere, it was in that vicinity.
1:40:49SPEAKER- It was downtown. - It was downtown, exactly.
1:40:51SPEAKER- That place had both, like it had real,
1:40:56SPEAKERhey, we're gonna fix some stuff up,
1:40:58SPEAKERbut also we're bad at it, and easily distracted vibes.
1:41:01SPEAKER'Cause it had like this really cool staircase
1:41:03SPEAKERthat was made out of skate decks.
1:41:05SPEAKER- That was neat.
1:41:06SPEAKER- Seemed like, A, it was an incredible hazard,
1:41:08SPEAKERskate decks don't last forever.
1:41:10SPEAKERThey were only supported in the middle,
1:41:12SPEAKERso somebody was gonna be walking up on the sides,
1:41:14SPEAKERand one of them was gonna snap,
1:41:15SPEAKERand you'd rack yourself, best case.
1:41:17SPEAKERAnd then also there was like,
1:41:19SPEAKERI just wanna say there was maybe, no joke,
1:41:22SPEAKERthree inches of dust in just different places of that loft.
1:41:27SPEAKER- And it felt like they had gotten halfway
1:41:29SPEAKERthrough renovating that space,
1:41:30SPEAKERand then said, hey, let's rent it to these people.
1:41:32SPEAKER- Yeah, it very much felt like it was,
1:41:35SPEAKERthere was just like a series of half done projects.
1:41:38SPEAKERAnd also there were rooms that you just couldn't access
1:41:42SPEAKERunless you like shimmied across a two by six over,
1:41:47SPEAKERI think over the set, if I remember right.
1:41:50SPEAKER- Yeah, also as I was reminded today
1:41:52SPEAKERon the next Lander podcast,
1:41:53SPEAKERI think when Ryan got down there first,
1:41:54SPEAKERhe was the guy who found it and set the whole thing up.
1:41:56SPEAKERAnd when he got down there,
1:41:57SPEAKERthere was still a guy sleeping in it.
1:42:00SPEAKER- That seems right.
1:42:00SPEAKER- Who was under the impression he was going to just be able
1:42:02SPEAKERto keep living there while we were doing our thing.
1:42:05SPEAKER- What?
1:42:06SPEAKER- Which Ryan was like, nah.
1:42:09SPEAKER- No, dude.
1:42:10SPEAKERI mean, that would have added a real vibe to the show though,
1:42:12SPEAKERif some guy just like walked through the set
1:42:14SPEAKERto go to the fridge.
1:42:16SPEAKER- Hey, that's Fred, he lives here.
1:42:18SPEAKER- Yeah, that's some real, real genius vibes.
1:42:20SPEAKERBut yeah, that was a good, that was a good,
1:42:21SPEAKERthat was a good- - Those were the days.
1:42:22SPEAKERThose were the days.
1:42:23SPEAKERYeah, it's gonna be a lot more buttoned up this weekend,
1:42:26SPEAKERI think, a lot more professional.
1:42:29SPEAKER- I like a professed show, that's less fun though.
1:42:31SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, support us on Patreon.
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1:42:38SPEAKERThat's always nice too.
1:42:40SPEAKERE3 memories, more E3 memories next week.
1:42:42SPEAKERI can't wait to hear what Video Game, Keeley Fest,
1:42:47SPEAKER- Yes.
1:42:48SPEAKER- Is like in the modern age.
1:42:50SPEAKER- Yeah, E3, some people were fond of referee.
1:42:52SPEAKER- Is that the, is that the official nomenclature?
1:42:54SPEAKER- Not official.
1:42:55SPEAKER- Okay.
1:42:56SPEAKER- Summer Game Fest.
1:42:57SPEAKERI am not expecting a ton.
1:42:58SPEAKERLike he himself has been out there very pointedly saying
1:43:01SPEAKERlike, hey, don't expect a lot of new announcements.
1:43:03SPEAKER- Seems like a soft year.
1:43:04SPEAKER- It's a quiet year.
1:43:05SPEAKERYeah.
1:43:06SPEAKER- Seems like a soft year.
1:43:07SPEAKERI mean, it's that part of the cycle.
1:43:07SPEAKERAnd also the games industry's laid off like 70% of people
1:43:11SPEAKERor some ridiculous, some huge number of people.
1:43:13SPEAKER- Sure has.
1:43:14SPEAKER- Anyway, we'll see y'all next week.
1:43:15SPEAKERThanks for listening.
1:43:17SPEAKERHave a lovely week.
1:43:19SPEAKERBye.
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