239: Calculator on an iPad?!

00:00SPEAKERBrad, we did it.

00:01SPEAKERWhat did we do?

00:02SPEAKERWell, a couple weeks ago, we came out and we were like, "You know what's stupid? Microsoft

00:05SPEAKERrecall." You know who agrees with us now?

00:07SPEAKERWho's that?

00:08SPEAKERMicrosoft.

00:09SPEAKERThat's right. TechPod activism has scored its first victory.

00:13SPEAKERIn fairness, when we were doing that show, I was like, "Do I have to say, 'Hey, it would be

00:18SPEAKERreally stupid to save this in an unencrypted database?'" Recall for people who don't remember,

00:24SPEAKERit's the feature that takes the screenshot of everything on your computer, including

00:27SPEAKERpasswords and financial data and stuff like that, and then dumps it in a database where

00:31SPEAKERit's machine-imaged and recognized to know what is on each screenshot. Then it's searchable,

00:38SPEAKERwhich seems like an interesting idea, not something I'm going to turn on.

00:42SPEAKERThe privacy people were like, "Oh, it's really bad. Somebody gets a hold of your computer, blah,

00:45SPEAKERblah, blah, blah." I was like, "The computer's hard drive is encrypted with BitLocker,

00:49SPEAKERpresumably because that's on by default on machines that this is on by default on."

00:53SPEAKERShouldn't be that big a deal unless they did something dopey like save it in an unencrypted

00:58SPEAKERuser space where every application that's running on the computer can have access to it.

01:03SPEAKERWe didn't even talk about malicious users who have access to your computer, like domestic

01:06SPEAKERviolence situations. That's on me. I always forget to think about stuff from that context.

01:13SPEAKERApparently, nobody at Microsoft had thought about any of this stuff either, because on a June 13th

01:18SPEAKERupdate to a blog post - I'm reading a PCWorld.com story here - on a June 13th update to a blog post

01:24SPEAKERMicrosoft originally published on June 7th, they announced that Recall will now be released as a

01:29SPEAKERpreview to the Insider program in the coming weeks. This is four days before the copilot

01:36SPEAKERplus PCs using the Qualcomm Snapdragon 10 or X Elite start shipping. They're pulling this at,

01:44SPEAKERI would describe this as, I think it's safe to say this is the last minute.

01:47SPEAKERIt will not be in at launch, is what you're saying?

01:50SPEAKERNot in at launch, no. It was going to be a shipping beta for everyone, and now it's not in at launch.

02:00SPEAKERThey're saying that now they'll turn off Recall by default. It will require Windows Hello to use

02:06SPEAKERRecall and will, in the future, use just-in-time encryption and decryption to secure the stored

02:12SPEAKERdata further. But yeah, they're going to need more time to add that stuff.

02:16SPEAKERYes, and decrypting on the fly at the last possible minute seems like the only way that

02:21SPEAKERcould possibly be acceptable. I mean, they're still going to

02:24SPEAKERindex all the information that's in those - presumably, I think the way it worked was

02:29SPEAKERit looks at the picture, at the screenshots. It does an image pass on the screenshot. It's

02:34SPEAKERsupposed to do this all locally on the NPU, which is like this 40 tops processor inside the

02:40SPEAKERLunar Lake or Snapdragon. I can't remember what the AMD one is. The AM5 stuff, I guess.

02:46SPEAKERWhat is the T in tops?

02:48SPEAKERTerra.

02:48SPEAKEROkay. It feels like there's a missing unit type in there. Terra, what operations perspective?

02:54SPEAKERTrillions of operations.

02:55SPEAKERTrillions, but what kind, though? Flops is floating point operations, for example.

03:00SPEAKERThis is just a lot of them.

03:02SPEAKERA lot of some kind of...

03:03SPEAKERTensor, I think, maybe. I don't know.

03:05SPEAKEROkay, well, that's an NVIDIA turn. Not to split hairs here, but...

03:08SPEAKERGoogle uses that, too, right?

03:10SPEAKERGoogle uses Tensor, too.

03:11SPEAKERMaybe so. Or TensorFlow is a thing. I guess that is a generic AI term, but NVIDIA has

03:17SPEAKER"tensor cores" on their GPUs, but I guess you're right. That is a generic AI thing.

03:22SPEAKERAccording to dictionary.com, tops just means it's ranked among the highest as

03:26SPEAKERinability, performance, comprehensiveness, or quality.

03:29SPEAKEROh, good. Now I know what that means.

03:31SPEAKERAs in, his work is tops. That car is tops. Then there's more about other things that

03:36SPEAKERI'm not going to read on the podcast because there might be kids listening.

03:38SPEAKERIs it matrix multiplication? Is it matrix math operations? Anyway, it doesn't matter.

03:43SPEAKERIt doesn't matter.

03:44SPEAKERMatters to me.

03:46SPEAKERI mean, it does matter, but look, here's the thing that Microsoft told us all.

03:50SPEAKERYou need 40 of them, more is better, but you don't need 300. You just need 40 or 50.

03:57SPEAKERI saw some benchmarks are starting to circulate for the Snapdragon 10 Elite.

04:01SPEAKERI don't know if you've seen...

04:02SPEAKERYeah, it's just X. It's not 10.

04:04SPEAKERIs it X?

04:05SPEAKERYeah, 10 is the website or the operating system from Apple, not the Snapdragon Elite.

04:10SPEAKERThe... I saw some gaming benchmarks going around, specifically comparing to Meteor Lake,

04:14SPEAKERthe last year's laptop part from Intel.

04:16SPEAKERWell, they've tested 12... I think at Computex, they said they tested 1200,

04:20SPEAKERas many as 1200 games tested.

04:23SPEAKERIt was like keeping pace with Meteor Lake. I would not say a lot of profound wins on that front,

04:29SPEAKERand people seemed shocked by that.

04:32SPEAKERWe talked about this on the PC World podcast last week. The problem that they have...

04:38SPEAKEREverybody's looking at this and thinking, "Oh, it's going to be like Apple,"

04:40SPEAKERwhere all of a sudden, everybody's suddenly magically making ARM versions of their executables,

04:45SPEAKERand it's not going to happen because Apple had the benefit of saying,

04:48SPEAKER"Hey, we're not going to sell any of the old Macs anymore,"

04:51SPEAKERand everybody buys new Macs every five years.

04:56SPEAKERIf you wanted to keep selling software to your customers, you had to get on the train.

05:01SPEAKERThe Windows isn't going to be like that.

05:03SPEAKERWindows people will be running a fucking Sandy Lake from 10 years ago in 15 years still.

05:09SPEAKERObviously, there is no ARM version of Counter-Strike yet. There's obviously some overhead

05:13SPEAKERwith the instruction translation or whatever, but still, people seem very shocked that...

05:17SPEAKERThe bigger point is I got the sense people have maybe built this chip up in their minds

05:21SPEAKERa little too much as a profound next big thing in the Windows space.

05:27SPEAKERTo give some context, Gordon and I over at PCWorld talked over all the Computex keynotes last week,

05:34SPEAKERstarting with Nvidia, which was just talking about big AI iron, basically. It was fine.

05:42SPEAKERWe had 12 to 1,500 people watching all of those keynotes on the PCWorld channel,

05:46SPEAKERand then when we got to Qualcomm on Sunday night, it went down to 400.

05:50SPEAKERReally?

05:51SPEAKERYeah. I think the enthusiast crowd probably knows what's up.

05:55SPEAKERHere's the thing. Qualcomm is saying they want to have 50% of the PC market share

06:00SPEAKERin five years by 2030, I think, which seems aggressive.

06:05SPEAKERYes.

06:06SPEAKERBut if they actually have SOCs to push down into $200 laptops,

06:13SPEAKERbecause all of these are launching at around $1,000, that's not out of the question.

06:16SPEAKERNo, maybe. I can say from experience, having had an M1 MacBook for a couple of years,

06:22SPEAKERbattery life sells hard. That is the killer feature, more than performance, more than

06:28SPEAKERanything else. It's the fact that you can open that thing up in the morning, use it all day,

06:32SPEAKERthe fan never kicks on, and then at the end of the day, you've still got 60% battery or better.

06:36SPEAKERYeah. My wife uses her laptop all around the house. There's one place that there's a plug,

06:41SPEAKERand she just plugs it in maybe twice a week, once or twice a week.

06:44SPEAKERRight. Yes.

06:46SPEAKERI think the thing that people are excited about is that there's finally something

06:50SPEAKERto push ARM on Windows that actually seems like it might not suck. It all depends on how Prism is.

06:57SPEAKERThose benchmarks are the first benchmarks we've seen about Prism. They didn't tout any

07:02SPEAKERperformance numbers in any of the stuff. Honestly, I think for this category, I don't think games

07:06SPEAKERmatter as much as productivity stuff. No, it's just the only metric I have managed to find so far.

07:14SPEAKERThe big surprise for me out of all the Computex stuff, not to completely tangentize this tangent

07:19SPEAKERof a tangent, is the PC OEMs were treating Co-Pilot Plus as if it was the second coming

07:27SPEAKERof Centrino. I think Intel even mentioned Centrino when they were talking about it.

07:31SPEAKERCentrino for the olds is when Intel was like, "Hey, we're going to put Wi-Fi on the chipset

07:36SPEAKERfor your laptop." Then they did a whole bunch of ads that were like, "Hey, you like the internet,

07:42SPEAKERright? What if you could use the internet from your couch in your living room while

07:45SPEAKERyou're watching TV?" Then they basically destroyed all of human culture after that point.

07:50SPEAKERBut they sold a boatload of laptops, like an insane number of laptops.

07:54SPEAKERWell, hey, any amount of damage is acceptable as long as the number goes up.

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08:27SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot. I'm Will.

08:30SPEAKERHi, I'm Brad. Hello. That was the shortest cold open to show in history. You waited

08:35SPEAKERlooking at mine. It was like five seconds, maybe.

08:37SPEAKERNot even five seconds from ending that cold open to saying welcome.

08:41SPEAKERWell, okay, so here's the thing, though. That was when PCs went from being a thing that you

08:46SPEAKERput on your desktop to a laptop for most people, that Centrino bump. That's what the OEMs think

08:52SPEAKERis going to happen. I'm breaking all sorts of rules here because we're carrying over the cold

08:57SPEAKERopen conversation into the main episode anyway. What was the timeframe for Centrino? I'm looking

09:02SPEAKERit up. I can tell you. 2002, 2003.

09:04SPEAKER2003, yeah. Sure.

09:08SPEAKERIt was around the time when battery life was getting to the point that laptops would run for

09:12SPEAKERa few hours rather than an hour. The screens were okay. LCDs were getting good. It was an actual

09:21SPEAKERmoment. They were doing Super Bowl ads where it was like, "Hey, look at me. I'm watching the

09:26SPEAKERSuper Bowl and I have my stats open at the same time." It was a big deal.

09:32SPEAKERYeah. We were rolling up on that. What was it? 2006, probably, when the first plastic

09:37SPEAKERMacBooks came out. The ones right before the first aluminum unibody.

09:42SPEAKERThe aluminum unibody was later that night. I was supposed to say 2008 or 2009.

09:46SPEAKERYeah, because I bought one when I started a giant bomb and they had just come out. Then I was

09:50SPEAKERextremely excited to have my first laptop. Brian had had one of the white plastic MacBooks before

09:55SPEAKERthat. I remember that was the first laptop I looked at and was like, "Oh my God, that looks

09:59SPEAKERawesome. Finally, that looks like something I would actually spend money on."

10:02SPEAKERYeah. When I started at giant bomb, my desktop, I had a desktop that I think I built or brought

10:10SPEAKERor something. I can't remember. I used a laptop. It was my main computer there. It was the first

10:17SPEAKERtime that it ever happened because I'd always had desktops before then. That was in 2010.

10:21SPEAKERBrad, today, speaking of white plastic MacBooks.

10:25SPEAKERSpeaking of more and more functionality being condensed into smaller and smaller devices.

10:29SPEAKERYeah. Last week was WWDC, the worldwide developer conference for Apple, which is, I think,

10:37SPEAKERthe keynote for that is the most dense, "Hey, here's what we're doing and here's what we think

10:42SPEAKERabout what we should be doing," that they give all year. The rest of their keynotes are about

10:46SPEAKERselling something, and this is about selling them, their software. I think it's worth delving into,

10:53SPEAKEReven for people who aren't Apple people. This was an interesting one. On the heels of Computex,

11:02SPEAKERwhere everybody was talking about AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, and then Nvidia's stock went up and they

11:09SPEAKERbecame a $3 trillion company and yada, yada, fortunes were made, all this stuff. It was

11:18SPEAKERinteresting. Coming out of Computex, I thought, "In order to have a communication with shareholders

11:26SPEAKERthat works out for these big tech companies, this is the year that everybody's going to explain

11:30SPEAKERtheir AI strategy." On the hardware side, it's just like, "Hey, we got tops." On the software

11:37SPEAKERside, Microsoft is like, "Hey, you're going to be able to do all this stuff with AI," and then

11:42SPEAKERthey don't show you anything you can do with AI that any normal human being is ever going to want

11:48SPEAKERto do. Or, alternately, they show something that's super highly specific, that's like a specialist

11:53SPEAKERtask like checking radiology images for tumors or machine robotic vision stuff or whatever.

12:03SPEAKERThat stuff's cool. I'm okay with that stuff. The generating images to send to your mom a Mother's

12:08SPEAKERDay card. Father's Day is coming up, and I would much rather have my daughter and wife draw some

12:14SPEAKERshit with crayons than go to mid-journey and generate a card for me. What if your phone

12:22SPEAKERcould generate something from something they drew with crayons? That sounds a little bit better,

12:26SPEAKERI guess. Anyway, it seems like they've spent a lot of time thinking about, "Hey, here's what

12:31SPEAKERthe AI demos are that normal people are going to actually want." It seems like they still employ

12:38SPEAKERpeople at Apple that use computers like normal human beings. We didn't talk about it, really,

12:46SPEAKERbecause it was terrible, but the Google keynote from their developer conference a couple weeks

12:49SPEAKERago from Google I/O, their AI examples were like, "Do any normal people still work at this place?

12:56SPEAKERThis is all weird shit." Anyway, they started, as they often do at WWDC, with a really cringy

13:04SPEAKERsegment in an airplane. They skydove. It kind of reminded me of that Google Glass keynote that we

13:11SPEAKERtalked about a few months ago when they had the action sports people jump out of the airplane.

13:18SPEAKERIt's exactly that, except fake. Yeah, except for they faked it.

13:21SPEAKERShout out to... Oh, sorry. It's not Dr. Feelgood. It's Kickstart My Heart. We were talking about

13:28SPEAKERthis before the show. The pilot, as they were about to skydive, puts on a Motley Crue song on-

13:32SPEAKERThat's Phil Schiller, just to be clear. What's that?

13:34SPEAKERThe pilot was Phil Schiller. Oh, was it?

13:37SPEAKERYeah. I believe a pilot in real life is the joke.

13:40SPEAKERI would believe that. I referred to it to you before we started as a retro iPod, and then I

13:46SPEAKERfelt weird about that. It's the first iPod.

13:48SPEAKERWell, yes, but also we were adults when that came out. We were professionally doing this stuff when

13:55SPEAKERthat came out, and now thinking of it as retro is very strange.

13:57SPEAKERLook at my hairline. It was definitely retro.

14:00SPEAKERYes. Very good production values. If anybody on earth has the money to throw

14:06SPEAKERat making a dumb bit look really nice in their presentation, it is Apple.

14:11SPEAKERYeah. It's maybe the most expensive dad joke I've ever seen.

14:15SPEAKERSure. Yeah.

14:17SPEAKERThe fact that they had all the presenters parachuting out of this, except for Tim,

14:20SPEAKERparachuting out of this plane. He was already standing on the roof.

14:24SPEAKERYeah. Craig Federinghi's bicycle helmet/skydiving helmet that they clearly built on one of their

14:31SPEAKERCNC machines in there was pretty good. It was a very silly, very silly bit.

14:36SPEAKERGod, I didn't even think... I mean, of course Apple has unbelievable amounts of expensive

14:40SPEAKERrapid prototyping hardware, but I just never really thought about how freeing that would be.

14:45SPEAKERSomebody has to... Yeah.

14:47SPEAKERJust to be able to just make something like a helmet to spec whenever you need it as a prop.

14:53SPEAKERGo sculpt me a fancy hair helmet for a one-off joke with a glint on...

14:57SPEAKERAt least they didn't do the glint on the teeth when he smiled and winked at the camera.

15:00SPEAKERSure. Sure. Well, it's one thing though to be able to iteratively work on better and

15:06SPEAKERbetter chamfering on your phone housing, but to be able to just go make a thing like a helmet.

15:12SPEAKERLike think about the room. They have the lab and then they have a room,

15:15SPEAKERa warehouse full of blocks of styrofoam to carve shit out of.

15:18SPEAKERRight. They just have untold amounts of raw materials.

15:21SPEAKERYeah. So, okay. So then they actually talk about what's going on. There was the normal

15:25SPEAKERbit about how awesome we are as a company and how well things are going for us. They talked about...

15:31SPEAKERI'm going to go just in the interest of making this something if you want to scroll through the

15:35SPEAKERvideos to see pictures of. At the same time we're talking about it, I'm going to go in order they

15:40SPEAKERwent, which is probably... I think I get why they went in this order. It's probably not what I would

15:45SPEAKERhave done, but hey, that's why I'm not in charge. They talked about Vision OS first. The people who

15:52SPEAKERuse Apple Vision Pro a lot seemed generally underwhelmed that they called this Vision OS 2

15:59SPEAKERabout the four month mark since this thing came out, five months mark since this thing came out.

16:03SPEAKERSure. Well, let's say maybe they feel they need to goose the excitement around this

16:07SPEAKERheadset a little bit. Yeah. The big feeling I got about this is that photos must really

16:13SPEAKERmove hardware. There's a bunch of stuff about the enhancements to the way the spatial photos work.

16:19SPEAKERYeah. I mean, I'm happy for people who are excited by stuff like that. I don't really

16:23SPEAKERget the appeal because it's all fake. I mean, it's not recording any actual spatial data,

16:28SPEAKERright? I assume it's just carving up a 2D image, right?

16:31SPEAKERNo. So the phone will record actual spatial data because it has a depth camera. Yeah. The

16:37SPEAKERiPhone, since the 12 or 13 or something, had a depth camera on the back.

16:42SPEAKEROkay. I guess I couldn't see that from the on-screen demo they gave necessarily,

16:45SPEAKERbut I guess that... Okay. There is some value to it if you're replicating actual real world space.

16:50SPEAKERYeah. The depth effect is nice. I don't know. Clearly the people who... They have data about

16:59SPEAKERthe people who are using that that are really... When I used Norms, I watched some videos of his

17:03SPEAKERkids and it was cool. It felt more like you were watching a real thing in the same way that it was

17:09SPEAKERsuper dystopian because you were sitting there with the headset on. We don't need to get to that.

17:11SPEAKERWe've talked about that before. They added new gestures that make it easier to open the home menu,

17:17SPEAKERcheck the time, stuff like that. You don't have to stare up at the ceiling anymore like you used to.

17:22SPEAKERThe big thing, I think, was the virtual display enhancement for Mac users, where if you look at

17:30SPEAKERyour MacBook, you can just pop up a virtual display. You can open the display basically

17:35SPEAKERon your headset. The keyboard, if you have a MacBook, a Mac keyboard now, it'll punch through

17:41SPEAKERthe VR so you see the physical object in your representation of the virtual world, which is good.

17:50SPEAKERThose two things work together to give you an enormous virtual display that's... They support

17:56SPEAKERultra-wide screen and huge... They were making it huge. It looked like it wrapped around your

18:00SPEAKERwhole... It looked like a real neck killer the way they showed it in the video, but I think there's a

18:04SPEAKERway to do that that it would be incredibly useful. - I think, didn't they describe it as it's like

18:08SPEAKERhaving two 4K displays side by side in terms of real estate, which is quite a lot of screen? I'm

18:14SPEAKERcurious why this is just now coming about. Are there improvements in bandwidth they've hit or

18:18SPEAKERsomething? Why couldn't they do this before, I guess? - My guess is that they needed something

18:23SPEAKERto be in sync on OS 10 and... Or OS 11, sorry. - It's like 15 now, right? - Oh, right. They

18:32SPEAKERwent back to numbering, right? So it's Mac OS, sorry. They needed something to be in sync

18:39SPEAKERacross both. So they were probably using something fairly straightforward, like a remote desktop or

18:43SPEAKERsomething, and now it's something... We'll talk about more in the future, but they have a thing

18:48SPEAKERin Mac OS that lets you pull your iPhone into the desktop, and it seems like they've done something

18:54SPEAKERto make the latency go down on that. So I wonder if they had some fundamental work that they did to

18:58SPEAKERimprove this technology. Because it seems like for Vision Pro, there's uses for bringing your phone

19:03SPEAKERand your watch screen and stuff like that, and bringing your phone into the MacBook,

19:07SPEAKERbringing your Mac into the Vision Pro. It seems like they've done some work.

19:12SPEAKERThere's a train mode, because it uses accelerometers and gyroscopes as well as SLAM

19:18SPEAKERto position yourself in the world. So when you're inside a closed environment that the SLAM is

19:24SPEAKERregistering no movement, but your gyroscopes and accelerometers are registering movement,

19:30SPEAKERyou need a different algorithm to counteract that differentiation.

19:39SPEAKERThey had a plane mode before. Now you have a train mode, too. Don't use this on the subway,

19:45SPEAKERbecause you'll get mugged, please. And then there's an AirPlay receiver. So you can AirPlay

19:51SPEAKERstuff from phones or iPads or other devices into the Apple Vision Pro, which seems good.

19:57SPEAKERThat all sounds nice, but nothing moving the needle exactly. I see people

20:02SPEAKERhand-wringing a bit about the relative success or failure of that device to date.

20:08SPEAKERSo I think this is still the normal loop. If you look at when the iPad came out in March,

20:15SPEAKERthey did the second version of the iPadOS, but it was just a 0.2 or something that fall. This

20:20SPEAKERfeels like that. I think next year is the year that you see the crazy stuff. They did talk about

20:28SPEAKERhaving an app adoption, having 2,000 apps, so they have basically one app for every person who's

20:33SPEAKERusing one of those every day now. Look, I think that there's a world... If I was a primary Mac

20:42SPEAKERperson and I was sitting in our whiskey basement where there was a bazillion people around,

20:48SPEAKERwe didn't have a bunch of big monitors, there wasn't room for a bunch of big monitors,

20:51SPEAKERI could see using something like that. Ryan would have mocked you mercilessly.

20:56SPEAKERI think Ryan would have just walked up and punched me in the back of the head every time I had it on,

21:00SPEAKERprobably. But anyway, that's VisionOS. I don't think we need to spend any more time on it.

21:05SPEAKERWho cares? The interesting thing about this keynote is they just spent an hour talking

21:13SPEAKERabout the first whole half. They didn't really talk about AI stuff at all. Occasionally they'd

21:17SPEAKERsay this is machine learning enhanced or something like that. We'll have some of that stuff in here.

21:23SPEAKERThis is also where Craig ripped off the quick release jumpsuit and was wearing his normal nerd

21:30SPEAKERshit underneath. The first thing they showed was cosmetic stuff. The home screen adjustments,

21:38SPEAKERwhere you have night mode and day mode for icons, as well as your wallpaper and images and stuff

21:44SPEAKERlike that. This stuff I'm kind of excited about. The first thing they showed is something that

21:49SPEAKERAndroid people have had since the very first release of Android. I definitely saw plenty

21:54SPEAKERof Android users confused at that, getting attention, just like, "Wait, you couldn't

21:58SPEAKERdo that already?" Nope. They've been at the top and going down ever since iOS launched.

22:03SPEAKERYou can kind of cheat it by using the app tray shortcut, like Siri suggested apps. You can have

22:08SPEAKERsome apps at the bottom and some apps at the top. If you want to have your apps all near the bottom

22:13SPEAKERof the phone where your thumb is, you can do that now. Yay. Exciting. I guess good. The icon styles

22:20SPEAKERfor dark mode are cool. The thing I couldn't tell was if developers have to generate these or if it

22:26SPEAKERhappens automatically. It seemed at first like developers had to generate them. Then the way

22:30SPEAKERthey were showing it working, it looked like it just happens automatically, which is really cool.

22:34SPEAKERYeah. Like the iPad. Maybe iPhone, iOS as well, but definitely iPad has been able for years to

22:41SPEAKERjust do smart color invert as an accessibility feature. Yeah. Yeah. That's simple math, right?

22:47SPEAKERYeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing something similar.

22:50SPEAKERI think they're pulling background and foreground out using the onboard machine stuff and then

22:57SPEAKERadjusting tones intelligently based on that. You can also theme your tones across the entire

23:03SPEAKERthing. If you want to make all of your icons have a green tint or yellow tint or a blue tint,

23:07SPEAKERyou can do that. I enjoyed people on Twitter pulling the brand guides, brand Bibles for

23:14SPEAKERlet's like meta, Google. I'm trying to think of two or three others. I saw all of them. All of

23:22SPEAKERthem are like, this should be the logo. This is how the logo should always be presented. It should

23:26SPEAKERnever be changed in shape or size or color. Does meta own my phone or do I own my phone?

23:33SPEAKERApple do not care. Yeah. You've been able to do this with Android Launchers for ages too. This

23:38SPEAKERis a thing that's been around for years and years. I watched people when they let you create custom

23:44SPEAKERshortcuts, icons for shortcuts. People went ham doing this with their phones and instead of having

23:52SPEAKERscreens full of apps, they had screens full of shortcuts to their apps that were the custom

23:57SPEAKERshortcut. Basically, you made a shortcut that looked like the app and had the same name as

24:02SPEAKERthe app and had a different icon for the app that was a shortcut to launching the app.

24:06SPEAKERThat is an incredible amount of work to change an icon.

24:10SPEAKERIt took a lot of time. When we got the tray on iOS and were able to keep most of the applications

24:19SPEAKERthere and use the homepage as a screen of shortcuts, which is what I switched to

24:23SPEAKERimmediately. Do you still have wall after wall of icons?

24:28SPEAKERYes, but only because I'm too lazy. We'll talk about it later. Another feature they announced

24:34SPEAKERis something I'm going to finally use to clean up my years of cruft on my home screen.

24:40SPEAKERYou can change the tense. People were posting some real horror shows on Blue Sky and Twitter that I

24:46SPEAKERsaw that they'd created. I am excited. I think this is a legit exciting feature. It means

24:53SPEAKEReverybody's phones aren't going to look exactly the same, which is nice. It means if you have

24:57SPEAKERa picture of your kid on your homepage, you can move the icon so they don't cover up their face,

25:01SPEAKERwhich I also like. They're changing control center. I'm not sure about this one.

25:09SPEAKERReally? This was one of probably the biggest things I was bullish on.

25:13SPEAKERControl center is the thing you swipe down from the top right. It has hot shortcuts.

25:18SPEAKEROh, on your phone. Yes. Okay. I'm sitting here going, "Oh, it's from the bottom up."

25:23SPEAKERYou're on the old phone.

25:24SPEAKERPhones with home buttons. Yeah. You swipe down from the top right. It has controls for music

25:30SPEAKERplayback, your Bluetooth audio outputs, some home stuff, volume, brightness, airplane mode,

25:38SPEAKERBluetooth. You can customize all kinds of stuff. I think that's the biggest thing here is that it's

25:44SPEAKERfar more customizable now, and it sounds like third-party developers can start adding widgets

25:48SPEAKERto it now as well. Even before, you'd put the Notes app in there, alarms, the QR code reader.

25:54SPEAKERTrying to think what else. Flashlight. I'm trying to think what else I've got online.

25:57SPEAKERAll of those shortcuts are now stuff that people can develop into, can build into. That was

26:02SPEAKERpreviously locked back. Also, it means that the flashlight and camera button on your home screen

26:08SPEAKERare not fixed anymore, and you can control what goes there. The thing that I don't know that I

26:14SPEAKERlove is adding multiple pages. I think that that's a place where having a quick access with one page

26:20SPEAKERis really valuable, and having multiple pages seems like a step back. Yeah. I mean, it's optional.

26:24SPEAKERYou know, I kind of see where you're coming from, but it seems like they've also just expanded the

26:28SPEAKERsize of the page. Well, it scrolls infinitely right now. Does it? Yeah, mine does. I realized

26:33SPEAKERI didn't. So all of my Apple home stuff is in there, and mine got kind of long as a result.

26:39SPEAKERI do kind of like the idea of moving the home automation stuff onto its own tab,

26:42SPEAKERand I think the media playback stuff goes on its own tab is the way it looked like in the screenshots.

26:47SPEAKERIs that mandatory? It seems like it's structured because there are icons for the second and third

26:52SPEAKERpages. Interesting. Maybe there's more pages after that you can make. I don't know. Okay. Home

26:56SPEAKERcontrols are like the thing I use Control Center for the most, so I hope those are not like extra

27:00SPEAKERclicks to get to now. My guess is that that front page is still you can put whatever you want on it,

27:04SPEAKERand then the other two are specialized. You also can bind if you have a phone with the action

27:10SPEAKERbutton, which is what they replaced the hardware silent switch with. You can bind that to whatever

27:19SPEAKERyou want to any of these actions now too, it seems like. That's cool. I kind of wish they had just

27:24SPEAKERadded the action button to the physical mute toggle and not replaced. But it doesn't work

27:29SPEAKERbecause then it's because the physical mute toggle is on and off, and this is a momentary.

27:37SPEAKERNo, no, I'm saying that's what I mean. You could have just left the mute toggle as it was and given

27:41SPEAKERyou an action button to customize separately from that. I just appreciate having the physical

27:46SPEAKERfeedback of just sticking my hand in my pocket and knowing instantly if the phone is already

27:50SPEAKERmuted or not. That's true. They had new privacy stuff. You can lock an app so that you say this

27:59SPEAKERneeds a face ID or touch ID or code authentication before you open it. That also means when you do

28:08SPEAKERthat, it means that the bits from inside that app won't show up for Siri or search or presumably

28:12SPEAKERthe AI stuff unless it's unlocked, which is good, I guess. I feel like this is something that

28:18SPEAKERcorporate people want probably because you work in HR at some big company, you can put your HR

28:24SPEAKERapp behind those locks and then you're not accidentally leaking information into Siri and

28:28SPEAKERsearch. Yeah, that makes more sense than I was trying to figure out how in a parental control

28:32SPEAKERcontext this would be useful because I guess maybe parents hand their phone to their children

28:37SPEAKERoccasionally, but what you're describing makes a lot more sense. Well, so parents hand phones to

28:41SPEAKERkids a lot. There's some things like password manager is a bad example because it automatically

28:47SPEAKERunlocks, but the other example I'm sure is porn. People who have their homebrew porn don't want to

28:55SPEAKERhave that on their phone where it's easily accessed in case they hand their phone to somebody, right?

29:02SPEAKERThe other one is you can hide apps and put them in a locked folder that just isn't visible at all,

29:08SPEAKERwhich there's a lot of reasons you would want that. We don't need to speculate about that,

29:13SPEAKERI guess. Then there's more granular controls over context sharing. Just to be clear, I'm sure that

29:20SPEAKERpeople in the Discord comments thread are going to post a whole bunch of entirely innocent reasons

29:28SPEAKERyou would want that. I have not been able to come up with any of them in the two days that I've been

29:32SPEAKERthinking about this. More granular controls over context sharing. When an app asks you for access

29:39SPEAKERto your contacts, it will say, instead of saying, "Hey, do you want to give no access to your

29:44SPEAKERcontacts or access to all of your contacts?" You can say, "No, I only want to give access to these

29:49SPEAKERtwo contacts because these are the two that matter." Just how the photo library works with a

29:53SPEAKERlot of apps now? You have to approve each photo. Exactly. Then the same thing again for local

29:57SPEAKERdevice access. It'll say, "Okay, my scale app is able to connect via Bluetooth to my scale,

30:04SPEAKERand my blood pressure cuff app is able to connect via Bluetooth to my blood pressure cuff,

30:08SPEAKERbut they don't get access to my Apple TV and all the other devices on my LAN." This is good stuff.

30:15SPEAKERThey've added RCS support to messages. I missed that until I saw it in your notes

30:19SPEAKERjust now. That's huge. I guess every other carrier and endpoint phone target also needs

30:26SPEAKERto support it before that really matters. No, it's already done. We're already there.

30:29SPEAKERIs Apple literally the last one? Apple is the last one. I think a couple of

30:32SPEAKERthe carriers in the US don't, but presumably they'll come online around the time they do.

30:38SPEAKERRCS is the successor protocol to SMS, which was the original text message standard,

30:43SPEAKERwhich I was looking at it a little bit recently. I don't have the whole feature list in front of me.

30:47SPEAKERIt's not, I don't think it's as good as iMessage or messages or whatever you're calling it these

30:50SPEAKERdays. It's not as good as any of the proprietary things, but it's better. It's bigger pictures,

30:58SPEAKERmore Unicode support, stuff like that. It's text messaging that's getting closer

31:03SPEAKERto the feature set of something like iMessage. I want to say initially it was not end-to-end

31:09SPEAKERencrypted, but that actually Apple might've stepped in. I think they got involved with

31:13SPEAKERrevising the spec and it might be encrypted now. I'm not sure.

31:16SPEAKERI don't know about that. The encryption was back and forth,

31:20SPEAKERso I don't know where it ended. I should look that, but the bigger point,

31:22SPEAKERespecially with just all the blue bubble, green bubble, message war shit that gets extremely

31:28SPEAKERtedious. Having a better baseline text messaging standard kind of helps there.

31:35SPEAKERI don't know that it helps with the spam problem, unfortunately.

31:38SPEAKERYeah. God, that's gotten awful.

31:43SPEAKERIt does mean that if you send a photo to an Android person, they're not going to get a

31:47SPEAKER2007 resolution photo back, which is nice. Yes. That's the important stuff.

31:53SPEAKERI don't think RCS is probably worth a full episode. Maybe when we do another potpourri

31:57SPEAKERsmall topic episode, we'll put it in there because it seems like we could do a half

32:00SPEAKERepisode on that probably. Tap backs. Now, the little exclamation point or thumbs up or thumbs

32:06SPEAKERdown or question mark or haha, you can add. Now, you can add any emoji, any sticker,

32:16SPEAKERand the new generated emojis, which we'll talk about in a minute, I think. I'm not sure about

32:21SPEAKERthat, actually. You can do scheduled sends. The Android people are laughing again because that's

32:26SPEAKERbeen an Android forever. You can do more text formatting. You can do strikethroughs and text

32:32SPEAKERnow. You can be extra smarmy in your text messages. There's more text effects, so more

32:40SPEAKERbumps and bangs and drizzles in and all that stuff. You can do satellite. You can send

32:45SPEAKERmessages via satellite. Yeah, that seems huge.

32:49SPEAKERI don't think you can receive messages via satellite. I think they were very careful

32:52SPEAKERto only say send. It works the same way as their remote, "Hey, I'm stuck away from the

33:00SPEAKERcell network and I'm trapped." The 137-hour scenario, basically.

33:04SPEAKERYeah. The number of situations of somebody hiking in the wrong direction in a national

33:09SPEAKERpark and getting in major trouble that this could help alleviate is pretty huge.

33:13SPEAKERYeah. I know people whose lives probably wouldn't have been saved by this.

33:17SPEAKERI also know someone, yes. Did they go into detail about how this is available? Can you just

33:24SPEAKERturn this on and use this at any time, or does it depend on certain network conditions not being

33:28SPEAKERpresent before it'll offer it? You have to be offline.

33:32SPEAKERYou have to be someplace where you're outside of range of cell service. You basically say,

33:38SPEAKER"Hey, it pops up a thing," and you have to do the thing where you aim it at the sky in

33:42SPEAKERthe right place and all that stuff. It helps you get there.

33:45SPEAKERI hope that logic is foolproof. I hope it's not like, "Oh, it technically thinks it can

33:49SPEAKERsee a signal, so it's not going to give you this," even though the signal is not actually

33:52SPEAKERfunctional type stuff. I've had the SOS stuff pop up on my iPhone

33:56SPEAKERbefore when there's no signal. When I hit the button, it gave me the option to start the thing.

34:08SPEAKERThey're not charging for this, which I thought was interesting.

34:10SPEAKERYeah, that's awesome.

34:11SPEAKERI assume the cost is low. I am curious if it's two-way. It seems like it's only one way. It's

34:16SPEAKERlike, "Hey, did you get to the campsite?" "Yeah, I got to the campsite."

34:20SPEAKERI'll tell you when I get to the campsite was the example they gave, I think.

34:24SPEAKERIt would be a little nerve-wracking in a disaster situation. You can update people you know with

34:28SPEAKERwhat's going on, but then you won't know until somebody shows up.

34:32SPEAKERDon't know if people left you unread. Well, in the disaster situation, you get two-way.

34:37SPEAKERWhen you use the SOS, you get a, "Hey, we're connecting you with blah, blah, blah,"

34:41SPEAKERand then they dispatch somebody to your position. You can send pins, I think, was one of the things

34:47SPEAKERit said you could do. That's interesting. It works with SMS and iMessage users, so they'll

34:54SPEAKERget you over to the SMS network. They added a bunch of new mail stuff,

34:58SPEAKERwhich I'm always curious about how many people actually use the Apple Mail app on their phone.

35:03SPEAKERYeah, I use it occasionally. That's what I use for mail if I use mail on my phone,

35:08SPEAKERfor what it's worth. Oh, really?

35:09SPEAKERI'm mostly tied into various Gmail/Google apps accounts.

35:14SPEAKERYeah, I just use the Gmail app. I'm messing up.

35:18SPEAKERI guess that would work, too.

35:22SPEAKERI've started using it on the job hunt, because I set up a special email address just for that,

35:26SPEAKERso that I would not have 23 years of spam coming into those addresses, as well.

35:34SPEAKERThe big thing that they're doing is auto-categorization of messages,

35:38SPEAKERnot just based on who are your priority contacts, but based on stuff you've interacted with. They're

35:43SPEAKERapplying machine learning to spam filtering and mail categorization, so it knows that this is all

35:50SPEAKERfrom the same company. It'll dump those all together and give you digest versions and stuff

35:54SPEAKERlike that, which is kind of interesting. They're adding trail hikes to maps.

36:01SPEAKERYou can send cash directly from person to person by bumping your phones together.

36:06SPEAKERThat seems awesome. Obviously, A, it's only with other iPhone users. B,

36:10SPEAKERthey need to be opted into Apple Cash, so it's a relatively limited,

36:15SPEAKERself-selecting pool of people you can do this with.

36:17SPEAKERI think everybody can get, send, and receive Apple Cash if you have a credit card attached

36:22SPEAKERto your Apple ID. You might be right.

36:26SPEAKERYou might have to have a phone that'll do Apple Cash transactions.

36:31SPEAKERI got Apple Cash. My sister-in-law sent me Apple Cash when I had never used it before,

36:35SPEAKERand had never signed up for anything. It just shows up as a credit to your credit card?

36:40SPEAKERHere's 90 bucks. To your credit card?

36:43SPEAKERNo, it shows up in my Apple Cash bucket. Apple became a bank.

36:46SPEAKEROh, right. Okay, yes. I forgot that they are technically their own financial intermediary now.

36:52SPEAKERSo it just sits in limbo? It's like a PayPal, right? Basically, it's like until you set up

36:57SPEAKERan actual bank account or something to transfer it into, it just kind of sits there?

37:02SPEAKERYeah. I could transfer it back out to my debit card,

37:04SPEAKERor alternately, you could just use it anywhere that people take Apple Pay.

37:10SPEAKERYeah, that's fine. The nice thing about it is it's anonymous. If you're buying something

37:17SPEAKERat a street fair or something, you don't want to give that person your email address or Venmo or

37:20SPEAKERwhatever, you could just bump your phone to their phone, and then they don't have to have a square

37:24SPEAKERpayment or anything. It's just a cash transaction. I assume there are limits on how much you can do

37:29SPEAKERthat, so they don't have vendors just using it instead of a cash register.

37:33SPEAKERYeah, I'm just thinking of my youth, how often you'd be out with friends,

37:38SPEAKERsplitting drinks, going out to dinner, stuff like that, just the ease of being able to just

37:42SPEAKERthrow money at each other. That seems huge. Or like when we were working in the same office,

37:47SPEAKERand you'd be like, "Hey, can you run grab me?" You're going to the Udon place where you grab me

37:50SPEAKERsome noodles, and then I had to figure out how to get you $9. Yeah, so this is good. Venmo has

37:57SPEAKERalready solved this problem for people you know, but the anonymity is nice. They're adding game

38:03SPEAKERmode. This has been on the Mac for a minute. It minimizes background activity, turns off

38:07SPEAKERnotifications and stuff like that, and it improves the responsiveness of your Bluetooth

38:13SPEAKERcontroller and AirPods. I don't know how it does that. I'm curious about that. I got to read about

38:18SPEAKERthat. Photos are getting more machine learning stuff, which we'll talk about in a minute,

38:25SPEAKERbut they did a complete redesign. It's a unified app with a single view. There's no more of those

38:29SPEAKERmultiple tabs where you're like, "Where's my camera roll? I can't find my camera roll. What

38:33SPEAKEReven is a camera roll anymore?" The grid shows your entire library, it looks like now, scrolling

38:39SPEAKERback infinitely in days, months, or years. It has a bunch of collections that seem to be auto-generated.

38:46SPEAKERThey talked about those more in the AI section at the end, so we'll come back to that, I guess.

38:50SPEAKERYeah, that all seems good. The Photos app has been a mess for a while to me.

38:55SPEAKERThe thing that they do that I really like, because most of my other... Google constantly wants me to

39:00SPEAKERdelete screenshots and receipts. I take pictures of screenshots of things that I need to save,

39:05SPEAKERand then they end up in my photo roll. I don't want to delete them, but Apple was just like,

39:10SPEAKER"Hey, what if we hide them? That sounds great. We'll hide this shit out of those."

39:15SPEAKERI use a standalone app for that kind of thing.

39:18SPEAKERThat's crazy.

39:19SPEAKERWell, I've been using it since before. It was viable to use just your photos for that

39:23SPEAKERsort of thing. I use Genius Scan, remember that?

39:26SPEAKERYeah, I used to use that.

39:28SPEAKERMainly because it can... What's the term? It basically can take a photo and make it

39:33SPEAKERgrayscale very easily, something like a receipt or an NDA, which I've signed a shitload of NDAs

39:38SPEAKERin my career. You know what I mean? It's basically as good as kind of having a scanner. You can take

39:42SPEAKERa picture of a thing and it'll kind of flatten it and make it look more presentable as a document,

39:46SPEAKERand it can export to PDF straight into your Dropbox very easily.

39:49SPEAKERWell, so the Dropbox app just does that now too.

39:52SPEAKEROh, does it?

39:52SPEAKERYeah.

39:53SPEAKERInteresting.

39:53SPEAKERHas for a long time. Genius Scan got eaten by everybody else who works with

39:58SPEAKERDocu... Because I think your iPhone will even do that if you send it to your drive folder now.

40:03SPEAKERAnyway, that's it. That was it for iOS stuff. It seems pretty good.

40:09SPEAKERYeah, it's a lot of stuff.

40:11SPEAKERThe audio and home section was next. If Siri asks you something while you have your AirPods in,

40:16SPEAKERyou can shake your head or nod your head to answer.

40:19SPEAKERThat is right up there behind shaking your phone to undo on the list of public gestures

40:24SPEAKERI'm not really keen to make.

40:27SPEAKERIt's just a real subtle one.

40:28SPEAKERI don't know, man.

40:29SPEAKERI thought this was good. I use my AirPods a lot though.

40:32SPEAKERI mean, I can see the utility. You just look kind of silly.

40:35SPEAKERI mean, I have white sticks hanging out of my ears. I remember how silly those

40:39SPEAKERwere when they first came out. Now you can't walk anywhere without seeing 10 pairs of them.

40:42SPEAKERYeah. You know, I guess people are used to just seeing individuals walking around talking to

40:47SPEAKERnobody now, that kind of thing. So whatever.

40:50SPEAKERIt used to be that we assumed they were old,

40:52SPEAKERlike '80s Mac fans when you saw that at Macworld. They do voice isolation when you're using your

40:57SPEAKERAirPods walking around in loud or windy areas so that they just pull out the voice for the receiver,

41:03SPEAKERfor the person who's not you. So you're talking to somebody on the phone and they get a clear

41:07SPEAKERsignal even though it's loud. I feel like they've done this for years and they're just doing a

41:12SPEAKERbetter version of this now. And then personalized spatial audio is coming to games. This is the

41:17SPEAKERthing where you take a picture where you scan your ear with the depth camera and they change

41:22SPEAKERthe way the model for the spatialized audio works based on that, which works shockingly well.

41:28SPEAKERI already gave my ears to Mark Cerny. Sorry.

41:31SPEAKERSorry, Mark Cerny. They also have stuff coming for HomePods, but it all seemed kind of tedious.

41:39SPEAKERTVOS stuff, they're adding Insight, which is basically Amazon's X-ray feature.

41:45SPEAKERYeah.

41:45SPEAKERThe thing where it shows you what actors on the screen and what music's playing in the background,

41:49SPEAKERand there's a little bit about the show.

41:50SPEAKERYeah. I thought Amazon may have some form of this, but in this case, you can click the song

41:57SPEAKERand add it straight to your Apple Music Library, which is a nice tight integration with their music

42:01SPEAKERservice.

42:02SPEAKERYeah. So Amazon's X-ray started as a Kindle feature where it would tell you, it would pull context

42:09SPEAKERrelated information out of the book that you were reading and you could click on it. It was really

42:14SPEAKERgreat when you're reading Game of Thrones books, because there were so many fucking characters.

42:17SPEAKERSo you'd click on it and it would give you the quick bio of the character and show you all the

42:22SPEAKERother places that person's name popped up. They added it to the Amazon video service.

42:31SPEAKERThey don't do music, I think. Maybe they do music, but it's mostly actors, I think is what I've seen

42:35SPEAKERthere. It's basically the kind of thing you only see when you pause the TV, because I don't ever

42:39SPEAKERuse it. This stuff also comes up on your phone when you use your phone as the remote. They're

42:47SPEAKERadding enhanced dialogue for more TVs and more speakers, including AirPods and HomePods, which

42:53SPEAKERis good. The enhanced dialogue thing is the thing that basically uses filtering to make voices

42:59SPEAKERstronger and background noise lower so you can hear dialogue better.

43:04SPEAKERYeah. It's great that this is finally, it took like five years of think pieces about why does everybody

43:09SPEAKERuse subtitles all the time now before people started paying actual algorithmic attention to

43:14SPEAKERfixing the problem. It's nice to see that it's actually happening. Like Jellyfin, the Plex

43:19SPEAKERcompetitor, the open source one, they just added a feature also that lets you kind of, there are

43:25SPEAKERmultiple ways to handle the stereo down mixing now. If you have like a 5.1, something that you're

43:30SPEAKERwatching crank up the center channel for voice. Hilariously, and maybe this is a story for another

43:35SPEAKERtime. The dropdown list of stereo algorithms to use are taken straight from a stack exchange post

43:43SPEAKERthat I was already aware of. Cause I fiddled with this in FFmpeg like a year ago, like

43:47SPEAKERcause I was sick of watching movies and not being able to hear what people say.

43:50SPEAKERYeah. Do you have a 2.0 set up or do you have no?

43:54SPEAKERYes, I have a 2.0 set up. So the Jellyfin developers landed on the exact same stack

43:57SPEAKERexchange post I did and are using the exact same FFmpeg parameters that I was using manually

44:04SPEAKERbecause they're the dropdown algorithms that are literally named after the poster usernames.

44:09SPEAKERThat's really funny.

44:10SPEAKERIt's really stupid, but it's awesome. It's awesome that people are finally like really

44:15SPEAKERall it is is you just, I'm guessing in 90% of cases, you just need the center channel

44:19SPEAKERto be a little bit amplified over everything else.

44:21SPEAKERSo I was going to say my, I have a, I got rid of the rear speakers on my stuff years ago cause

44:26SPEAKERthey were a pain in the ass and my room doesn't really accommodate them. But I left the center

44:30SPEAKERchannel and my center channel is just always like three notches higher than the side channels.

44:35SPEAKERAnd I have never experienced this problem.

44:36SPEAKERThat is, that is the way to go for sure. I see a lot of people seem to blame the working like

44:41SPEAKERsound mixers and you know, like the Hollywood people that are doing the sound mixes. I'm

44:45SPEAKERguessing it's less my, my feeling, my gut feeling is it's less their fault and more of the fault of

44:50SPEAKERthe devices doing the on the fly mixing. So if it works the same way it works in games,

44:54SPEAKERwhich I'm sure it doesn't, but in games you generally make the highest quality mix for

44:59SPEAKERlike 7.1 or whatever. And then the others are just generated automatically. And my guess is

45:04SPEAKERthat the automatic generations are not great. Right. And whereas in the old days, I'm sure

45:08SPEAKERthat they did a DTS and it'll be digital and like, you know, 15 different stereo mixes.

45:14SPEAKERAnd now the stereo is just like, good luck. Right. And then in a lot of cases you don't

45:18SPEAKEReven have a stereo mix in the media. It's just your receiver or soundbar or whatever,

45:22SPEAKERor Plex doing the mixing. And they're not doing a good job of doing that elegantly. Anyway,

45:28SPEAKERnice that this is getting fixed and God help you if you only are using the speakers that are built

45:32SPEAKERinto your TV in this, the year 2020 form. This is adding on a feature that they had years ago

45:39SPEAKERthat I really liked the ask Siri on your remote. What did they just say? And it rolls back like

45:45SPEAKER10 seconds and pops up subtitles on the screen. Yeah. That's something Roku has had for a long

45:50SPEAKERtime. If you rewind, it'll turn subtitles on up to the point you rewound from. I want to say this

45:55SPEAKERwas a first of the modern. This may have even been on the, the, the last of the not modern Apple TVs.

46:02SPEAKERIt was the, it was the first one that it was definitely on the first one with an a processor.

46:08SPEAKERThe subtitles now pop up when you pause or rewind or rewind or mute rather. They support 29, 21,

46:16SPEAKERnine format projectors for Apple TV, which means you don't have weird black bars on the side of

46:20SPEAKERyour stuff if you're a top and bottom of your stuff for using a wide format. And they added

46:25SPEAKERscreensaver portraits to Apple TV. This actually, the screensaver portrait stuff that they did,

46:30SPEAKERI guess this is, this will come up later, so nevermind, but Snoopy, you can have Snoopy on

46:34SPEAKERyour Apple TV and he'll come out and do stuff with Woodstock now, which finally great. WatchOS

46:40SPEAKERis the next, was the next thing they hit. They talked about fitness and now they finally support

46:44SPEAKERpauses for streaks if you're injured or like traveling or can't do your streaks. So you can

46:50SPEAKERlike get a Duolingo style pause on your, on your fitness streaks, which is good.

46:56SPEAKERI guess that's cool for people who like, I, the gamification stuff is neat. I don't,

47:01SPEAKERI don't like hang my hat on it necessarily, but. When I get a good, not working out streak going,

47:07SPEAKERI don't want to break that, man. Sure. Fair. There's a new fitness screen that shows more

47:14SPEAKERstuff and it's dynamically generated. Yeah. It's I hope that like, I'm trying, I think up to now

47:21SPEAKERyou have to go to your phone for anything more than basically that day as a workout. And even

47:24SPEAKERthat's not super well exposed. It's really like the last workout you did, you can see kind of

47:28SPEAKEReverything, but if like, if you want to see that week's activity, you can't do it on the watch.

47:33SPEAKERAnd so I hope they are out there making it a little, a little easier to see more summary data

47:37SPEAKERthere. Well, you get right now you get the weekly. Oh yeah, you're right. So you get,

47:44SPEAKERyou just get the day. It is all limited to that day. Which I like, I use, I use the fitness

47:49SPEAKERtracking constantly on the watch. So that's nice to hear. Yeah, that's good. And then the workout

47:56SPEAKERintensity thing is nice too, where it looks at your age, your relative fitness level, and then

48:02SPEAKERit kind of tells you, okay, you did three really intense workouts this week. You should maybe take

48:06SPEAKERit easy on this fourth day. That would be handy for yes. And, and that's both dynamically generated

48:13SPEAKERand customizable, like adjustable. If you feel like it's done a bad job, they added a new health

48:19SPEAKERapp that pulls all of the stuff. It seems like all of the stuff, the watch can measure together.

48:24SPEAKERMy guess is that this is leading up to having blood pressure on the next watch called the

48:29SPEAKERvitals app. Oh, that would be wild. Blood pressure would be huge. They want to sell me a new watch.

48:35SPEAKERThat's a good way to do it. Yes, for sure. But also like this is just great anyway,

48:38SPEAKERbecause having all that stuff scattered across different apps is such a pain.

48:43SPEAKERYeah. They have blood ox and breathing rate, heart rate, that kind of stuff all in this app.

48:52SPEAKERIt notifies you. It has different tiers of notifications, including a kind of severe one,

48:57SPEAKERif multiple things are way out of range. So if your blood ox drops and your heart rate drops,

49:02SPEAKERit's probably going to let you know that something bad is happening. My guess is you'll probably

49:05SPEAKERalready know, but I don't know. Never had that happen before. And then the smart stack,

49:12SPEAKERwhich is that thing. It's the thing that I always forget exists.

49:17SPEAKERI don't use it either. You get to it by rolling the crown

49:23SPEAKERand it's more dynamic and developers can add activities to the smart stack now.

49:27SPEAKERSo it's not just Apple stuff. Yeah. I have not used that

49:31SPEAKERsingle time since they introduced it. Yeah. Well, it's the normal path on Apple,

49:37SPEAKERnew Apple features where if they don't make it accessible to the apps that I actually use,

49:40SPEAKERthen it's only useful for people who only use Apple apps.

49:44SPEAKERYeah. I'm going to be keeping an eye on this year's watch announcement. Pretty heavy rumors.

49:49SPEAKERThey're doing like the first, like real major redesign of the form factor since the watch

49:53SPEAKERstarted. That's interesting.

49:56SPEAKERProbably, I mean, probably the biggest rumor there is they're supposedly going to a magnetic band

50:00SPEAKERattachment rather than kind of the mechanical like slot design they have now.

50:03SPEAKERI don't know if I like that. The mechanical slots really sturdy.

50:06SPEAKERYes. I mean, obviously, and it will break compatibility with every band you've ever bought.

50:11SPEAKERThere's a, I assume you've seen the rumors around the switch to also using magnetic

50:16SPEAKERconnection for the joy cons. Oh no, I haven't seen that.

50:19SPEAKERThere's some new type of battery or not battery magnet. I don't remember the name of it's

50:23SPEAKERsome kind of electrically activated magnet, but it's not an electromagnet. It's not a,

50:27SPEAKERyou need to keep supplying current to keep this active. You just switch it on and off.

50:31SPEAKERYes. It's like a toggle. Like once you hit it with current, it, it goes to magnetic and then

50:35SPEAKERstays that way. That's cool.

50:37SPEAKERAnd so I wonder if they're doing the same thing here because it must be a pretty

50:41SPEAKERsturdy degree of magnetism. If that actually can, anyway, the, the idea there is they can

50:46SPEAKERmake it thinner because they have more space inside the housing without the inset for the

50:50SPEAKERband stuff. I'm really curious what they do to redesign it this year.

50:55SPEAKERI mean, we we've heard redesign rumors on that for the last couple of years. So it'll be,

50:59SPEAKERit'll be interesting to see. I don't know. I think my, like, depending on what the

51:03SPEAKERjump in price is, the ultra looks really compelling to me because extra battery life

51:07SPEAKERseems better than like, I would happily have bigger, bigger battery with longer battery life

51:13SPEAKERthan, than the smaller, more svelte package. But anyway.

51:18SPEAKERYeah. You, you wear your watch 24 seven, right?

51:20SPEAKERPretty much.

51:21SPEAKERI just check it on. I have a charger on the nightstand. I just check it on there every

51:24SPEAKERnight. So the battery life isn't a thing for me.

51:26SPEAKERSo I had, it's funny. I had a, this is a, this is a example of the thing getting smarter and

51:31SPEAKERbeing more stupid simultaneously. I got a notification the other day that was like,

51:35SPEAKERyo, your sleep patterns are really disrupted this week. You should look at it. And it's

51:38SPEAKERcause I hadn't been going to bed with the watch on, but I'd been taking a nap in the

51:42SPEAKERafternoon. So it was like, you've gone from getting seven to six and a half hours of sleep

51:46SPEAKERto one hour of sleep a day. You should really think about adjusting your life, man.

51:50SPEAKERHow are you still functioning?

51:51SPEAKERYeah. I was fine. It turns out. So iPadOS was next. Same. It's getting all the same

51:59SPEAKERstuff as the phone, basically. There's a bunch of new stuff. So home screen personalization

52:04SPEAKERon the same year, which is kind of unusual because usually that like that kind of feature

52:07SPEAKERlags a year on iPad. There are tab bars that are in the iPadOS apps that have like a tray

52:16SPEAKERon the left or right side of the screen are now customizable. So you can drag stuff from

52:21SPEAKERthat tray into the tab bar to click quick change between things, which is nice. They

52:29SPEAKERadded a ton of new pencil stuff, like a ton, ton. The the big one was the math, the notes,

52:41SPEAKERthe math notes stuff.

52:42SPEAKERYeah. So I wasn't clear if that is falls under their Apple intelligence umbrella or,

52:48SPEAKERI mean, I assume that's active there.

52:50SPEAKERI think it's well, actually, hang on. We've buried the lead here. They're putting the

52:55SPEAKERgoddamn calculator on the iPad.

52:57SPEAKEROh, I wasn't going to acknowledge that that was something that we should celebrate at

53:01SPEAKERthis late date, but I believe the math notes are part of the calculator app.

53:06SPEAKERSo the math notes are integrated throughout the OS. They're in notes. They're in all sorts

53:11SPEAKERof other places, but they demoed it in the calculator app. So when you turn the iPad

53:15SPEAKERsideways and you have the pencil out, you can just write on the iPad like it's an 1800

53:21SPEAKERslate chalk and slate math tool. And when you equals the equation, it just solves the

53:31SPEAKERequation for you.

53:32SPEAKERThat's pretty cool. I have to say.

53:34SPEAKERIt seems pretty cool.

53:35SPEAKERThat's watching it in action. That is some future technology.

53:39SPEAKERYeah, I feel bad. PCalc and we've a bunch of friends who've made calculator apps over

53:46SPEAKERthe years and charged 99 cents for them are going to have some challenges this year.

53:52SPEAKERThey sure locked a lot of stuff this year.

53:53SPEAKERYes. There's another one we'll get to. Apple Sherlock's without mercy.

53:57SPEAKERYeah. Sherlocking for people who don't know is when they take a tool that has been a paid

54:02SPEAKERestablished tool that billions of Mac users buy, and then they just integrate it into

54:07SPEAKERthe OS without killing that person's market immediately. Anyway, they added a lot of stuff

54:14SPEAKERfor notes, a lot of just general handwriting stuff. One of the things that I like is that

54:17SPEAKERthey tidy up your handwriting for you. Like they learn what your handwriting looks like

54:20SPEAKERand can make an idealized version of that for you, which is a little creepy, but like

54:25SPEAKERmy handwriting looks like shit. So it's useful. Yeah. Less shitty handwriting seems good.

54:32SPEAKERYou could draw on screen shares.

54:34SPEAKERYes. That's more future talent. The hand-drawn calculations and the handwriting correction

54:40SPEAKERboth are just like, that's like some back to the future stuff. You know what I mean?

54:44SPEAKERThat's some stuff, that's some AT&T you will stuff.

54:47SPEAKERWell, yeah. And the handwriting correction is seems less gross to me, less weird to me

54:54SPEAKERbecause like the resolution of the panel and the pencil and all that is such that it's not,

55:00SPEAKERif you don't have the exact right kind of handwriting, it's really hard to do handwriting

55:03SPEAKERon the iPad. So making it more accessible seems good. You could draw on screen shares.

55:11SPEAKERThere was a bunch of other stuff. It's funny. I think this is all coming to all of the pencils

55:15SPEAKERtoo. I don't think they didn't specify that this was only coming to the new pencil and the

55:19SPEAKERnew iPad Pro. I think this is for everyone, at least for the most part. And then they did the

55:24SPEAKERparkour transition where Craig ran down some stairs. I air quoted Craig for audio listeners

55:31SPEAKERand he like jumped over barricades and it was bad.

55:34SPEAKERWell, executives like to have fun too. What is his role there?

55:37SPEAKERHe's in charge of software.

55:40SPEAKERThat's a pretty big job, I guess. I've like kind of lost track of the, like the Phil Schillers and

55:45SPEAKERwas Eddie Q one. Is he still there?

55:47SPEAKERNo, I think there's only like three executives that are still there when Steve was there.

55:51SPEAKEROkay. Yeah. Kind of losing track of who's who.

55:54SPEAKERI mean, at some point you make enough money that you're like, I'm probably good. And I don't want

55:58SPEAKERto have to work so hard anymore unless you really, really love the work. So Mac OS, Sequoia, Craig

56:05SPEAKERstarted this segment with a really extended bit about how the people who named shit like to get

56:09SPEAKERhigh continuing in his long tradition of jokes about naming an OS version of Mac OS weed.

56:17SPEAKERThere's a town in California called weed.

56:18SPEAKERI didn't, what was there? I need to, I need to get, this sounds awful. I need to go watch this.

56:22SPEAKERIt's pretty bad. They did a really nice like motion graphics thing where it was like

56:27SPEAKERmoving through trees. They're like, like you're, you're going to the Sierras and like,

56:31SPEAKERit's like, it's really beautiful. And then there's a terrible VO over it. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

56:35SPEAKERYou know, I'm going to say I'm a little burnt over the nature names for code names,

56:39SPEAKERor they're not even code names anymore. There's product names.

56:41SPEAKERWell, I mean, look, eventually they'll run out of parks and then they're going to like,

56:45SPEAKERit'll be like, welcome, welcome to Mac OS Salesforce tower.

56:50SPEAKERShoot me. You know what was bad-ass? What? Big cats.

56:54SPEAKERBig cats.

56:56SPEAKERFucking Mac OS 10 Panther.

56:58SPEAKERBut you know what the problem with big cats is?

57:00SPEAKERWhat's that?

57:01SPEAKERThere's only like 15 breeds of them.

57:03SPEAKERYeah. What if you, okay. What if you went to slightly smaller wild cats? Could we do

57:06SPEAKERlike Mac OS Manul?

57:09SPEAKERI don't know. It sounds too much like manure, dude.

57:11SPEAKERYou should, you should go look up a Manul. It's a very,

57:14SPEAKERM-A-N-O-O-L?

57:16SPEAKERM-A-N-U-L. It's a very comical looking animal.

57:19SPEAKEROh, wow. It looks like a meme cat.

57:22SPEAKERRight? It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, if a cat was a basketball.

57:26SPEAKEROh, they have these at the, at the, at the desert zoo in, in Palm desert, Palm Springs.

57:34SPEAKERReally?

57:35SPEAKERI think so. Is it a mountain cat? No.

57:39SPEAKERAnyway, it doesn't matter.

57:42SPEAKERWhat else? You know what else matters?

57:44SPEAKERWhat's that?

57:44SPEAKERAll the other stuff from the iOS and the iPad OS is coming to Mac OS.

57:48SPEAKERThat's great.

57:49SPEAKERHikes and maps, math notes, but you can type because there's no touch screen on Mac still

57:53SPEAKERinexplicably messages, stuff, all that is in there.

57:58SPEAKERIt's crazy that Microsoft beat Apple to the punch on making your tablet also your laptop.

58:03SPEAKERLook, man, it's a, they're two distinct devices that run exactly the same hardware minus the

58:08SPEAKERtouch screen.

58:09SPEAKEROh, I'm sure they have enormous amounts of data about how many people buy both a Mac

58:12SPEAKERbook and an iPad.

58:13SPEAKERI mean, yeah, one is a consumption device and one is a creation device, Brad, even though

58:18SPEAKERthey both have keyboards and track pads. It's fine.

58:20SPEAKERI mean, to be fair, that's pretty much how I use them.

58:23SPEAKERWe didn't talk about this yet because this is, I think the first place they talked about

58:26SPEAKERit, but there's a passwords app coming to all Mac Apple devices.

58:31SPEAKERYeah, they're basically, it sounds like it's, it is the same, generally the same functionality

58:35SPEAKERthat's been in like the iCloud kit toolkit, but they're kind of splitting it out into

58:39SPEAKERits own app, right?

58:41SPEAKERYeah.

58:41SPEAKERIt seems like they're going a little further.

58:43SPEAKERI can't think it's going to, they didn't say that it supports pass keys.

58:46SPEAKERI assume it has to support pass keys at this point.

58:49SPEAKERSo, cause all the, because like if you have a device that doesn't support pass keys at

58:53SPEAKERthis point, you've kind of made a mistake.

58:56SPEAKERIt's available for windows as part of iCloud for windows app, which sounds ominous.

59:02SPEAKERYes.

59:02SPEAKERKind of, because otherwise I would actually think about trying this maybe as my main password

59:07SPEAKERmanager, but it really depends on how tightly it integrates with browsers on windows, which

59:10SPEAKERI'm guessing it doesn't very well.

59:12SPEAKERMy guess is it runs great with edge on windows or something dope.

59:16SPEAKERLike they'll pick the one browser that's the dopiest possible choice and then that'll

59:19SPEAKERbe the one.

59:20SPEAKERYeah, like I'm guessing, I'm guessing hoping for like a Chrome extension is way too much

59:25SPEAKERto wish for here.

59:26SPEAKERWell, I use Firefox, so I know I'm hosed.

59:28SPEAKERYes.

59:31SPEAKERLike the good news for people who use existing password managers, whether it's BitLocker

59:37SPEAKERone password or whatever, bit warden, sorry, or one password or whatever.

59:43SPEAKERI don't think this is going to affect any like if you only live in the Mac or in the Apple

59:50SPEAKERecosystem, you're fine using this, right?

59:53SPEAKERIf you use any windows machines or God forbid something like a steam decker or a Linux machine

59:58SPEAKERor anything else, Chromebook, I would think really hard about signing up for putting all

1:00:05SPEAKERmy passwords in a place that's a vendor specific implementation.

1:00:08SPEAKERYes, agreed.

1:00:09SPEAKERSame thing applies to Microsoft or Google.

1:00:11SPEAKERFrank, they did a bunch of stuff.

1:00:15SPEAKERContinuity has been in for ages.

1:00:17SPEAKERThis is the thing that gave you a universal clipboard so you could copy something on your

1:00:21SPEAKERphone and paste it in on your Mac or iPad.

1:00:24SPEAKERThey're adding new stuff to it.

1:00:25SPEAKERThe iPhone mirroring, which we talked a little bit about before, basically means that if

1:00:29SPEAKERyou've been able to get your phone notifications on your Mac for a while, what this means now

1:00:36SPEAKERis that when you click a phone notification on your map, it opens a view of the phone.

1:00:40SPEAKERYeah, it's on your screen.

1:00:42SPEAKERYeah, we should be explicit about this is literally like one click screen mirroring

1:00:46SPEAKERfrom your phone to your laptop and you can just interact with the phone with the touchpad

1:00:50SPEAKERas if it's huge.

1:00:52SPEAKERIt seems like having a touch screen on the Mac would be really nice with this feature.

1:00:55SPEAKERWell, I mean, the touchpad or trackpad is big enough and does multi-touch.

1:01:00SPEAKERIt's kind of the same.

1:01:01SPEAKERYeah, I know, but I'm just saying it's just right there.

1:01:06SPEAKEROne tiny step away.

1:01:08SPEAKERLook, I don't want to filth up my laptop screen, all right.

1:01:11SPEAKERI think this is awesome.

1:01:12SPEAKERI think this is really cool.

1:01:13SPEAKERIt's huge.

1:01:13SPEAKERThis is the thing I was referring to earlier about like finally cleaning up my god awful

1:01:17SPEAKERmess of a home screen.

1:01:19SPEAKERYeah, it's time.

1:01:20SPEAKERTo be fair, I have like two and a half pages of apps because at some point I got tired

1:01:23SPEAKERof either deleting or organizing into folders when I downloaded stuff.

1:01:27SPEAKERAnd I also don't use 90% of the apps on my phone anyway.

1:01:31SPEAKERAnyway, like being able to just pull up the phone on the MacBook and use the trackpad

1:01:34SPEAKERand more quickly just, you know, grind through all that organization.

1:01:40SPEAKERPretty nice.

1:01:41SPEAKERYeah, you can also drag and drop into phone apps.

1:01:44SPEAKERThey demoed.

1:01:45SPEAKERThat's crazy.

1:01:45SPEAKERDragging something from I think Final Cut into a generation, like a sharing app on the

1:01:51SPEAKERphone.

1:01:51SPEAKERNow, does that go both ways?

1:01:52SPEAKERBecause if I can open an app through this on the phone and drag it to my desktop, that's

1:01:56SPEAKERlike life changing.

1:01:57SPEAKERI don't, my guess is you have to open the phone on the laptop and drag it from the phone

1:02:02SPEAKERto the desktop, but yes.

1:02:03SPEAKERYeah, that's what I mean.

1:02:04SPEAKERThat's fine.

1:02:04SPEAKERI would assume so.

1:02:05SPEAKERYeah, that's, that's huge.

1:02:08SPEAKERThe phone stays locked while you're mirroring it and it's on standby and like this standby

1:02:13SPEAKERthing where you have it sideways on a, on a, like a magnetic stand even stays on if you

1:02:18SPEAKERhave, is that so we keep it on your desk?

1:02:21SPEAKERAnd yeah, I think, like, I think this is a super cool feature.

1:02:26SPEAKERI mean, it's awesome.

1:02:27SPEAKERMakes me want a Mac.

1:02:29SPEAKERGood job.

1:02:29SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:30SPEAKERDid they, did they say anything about how this would affect like your phone being stolen

1:02:33SPEAKERkind of situation?

1:02:34SPEAKERWhat do you mean?

1:02:35SPEAKERLike, does it work over cell?

1:02:37SPEAKERDoes it have to be on a local wifi?

1:02:39SPEAKERMy guess is it has to be local.

1:02:40SPEAKEROkay.

1:02:41SPEAKERSo you would not be able to like, I mean, there's plenty, they have plenty of other

1:02:45SPEAKERanti-theft features built in at this point.

1:02:46SPEAKERIt's not the end of the world, but yeah, I don't think you're able to remote into it.

1:02:50SPEAKERI bet you can't look out of the camera while you're using the mirrored screen probably.

1:02:54SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:56SPEAKERThey've added tiling for windows, which I was reasonably sure that they had in like the

1:03:01SPEAKERJaguar days or something.

1:03:02SPEAKERNope.

1:03:03SPEAKERReally?

1:03:03SPEAKERAs someone who like, you know, every time I go home, I work exclusively off of that

1:03:08SPEAKERMacBook, that, that fifth 14 inch screen.

1:03:11SPEAKERIt sucks trying to, trying to record a podcast where you need like a video window, your audio

1:03:18SPEAKERediting app of choice, like a, like a browser full of notes or like a feed of a game to

1:03:23SPEAKERlook at it.

1:03:24SPEAKERIt's impossible.

1:03:25SPEAKERIt is like, that's why I use the iPad as a second screen when I'm out there as a second

1:03:29SPEAKERmonitor because window management on, on a Mac is abysmal.

1:03:33SPEAKERThis is, this is like the Android thing where windows users are laughing because yeah, there's

1:03:40SPEAKERbeen like next to no snapping.

1:03:42SPEAKERI mean, there's a little, I don't need, we don't need to get into it, but I, but the

1:03:45SPEAKERdemo video looks like pretty much what I want.

1:03:48SPEAKERI think their whole thing, I guess what I'm thinking about is their whole, what was it?

1:03:53SPEAKERYou hit command tab or something and it gave you like the quick view of all the windows

1:03:58SPEAKERI open on your computer, which was nice on a laptop.

1:04:00SPEAKERSo you could switch back and forth between windows quickly.

1:04:02SPEAKERAnyway, this seems really good.

1:04:04SPEAKERLong over time.

1:04:06SPEAKERYou can do background replacement in FaceTime now.

1:04:08SPEAKERI assume this is also coming to the other devices as well.

1:04:12SPEAKERAnd they, they talked about games in the most Apple-y way possible, citing such 2024 bangers

1:04:20SPEAKERas control and control was timeless.

1:04:24SPEAKERDeath Stranding director's cut also timeless.

1:04:30SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:31SPEAKERThe big thing that they announced was that their, their porting toolkit is they're revving

1:04:35SPEAKERit to a new version.

1:04:37SPEAKERAnd then also Assassin's Creed is coming to Mac OS and all iDevices.

1:04:43SPEAKERThe one that's coming out this year.

1:04:44SPEAKERShadows?

1:04:45SPEAKERShadows.

1:04:47SPEAKERYeah, that, that, that porting toolkit, they worked with the people who do wine on that.

1:04:52SPEAKEROh, okay.

1:04:54SPEAKERCode weavers, yeah.

1:04:55SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:57SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:58SPEAKERIt sounds like they're making an actual push to get more games ported more easily.

1:05:01SPEAKERThat's cool.

1:05:01SPEAKERI mean, maybe they're bringing down the proton stuff and all that.

1:05:05SPEAKERI'm curious to see how that runs on a laptop.

1:05:07SPEAKERLike on the phone, it's like an interesting academic exercise, but it's not something

1:05:10SPEAKERI would ever play.

1:05:12SPEAKERBut like, I assume the GPU's in, in the M chips on the laptops are actually like relatively

1:05:17SPEAKERbeefy.

1:05:18SPEAKERI mean, they're like souped up versions of the iPad one, right?

1:05:21SPEAKERWell, yeah, maybe it won't be that great, actually, I don't know, but I'm still curious.

1:05:25SPEAKERThe upscalers are good.

1:05:26SPEAKERAnd anyway, the also has game mode on the Mac, which has been there for a long time,

1:05:30SPEAKERbut they're adding the Bluetooth latency stuff to this as well.

1:05:34SPEAKERI may have already been there.

1:05:35SPEAKERSo sometimes they announce things that they've already had.

1:05:38SPEAKERAnd then the other big thing on Mac OS is that you can get Apple pay on third party

1:05:42SPEAKERbrowsers, which is a, is a wonderful for people who don't use Safari, despite it being the

1:05:46SPEAKERworld's fastest browser or whatever stuff they say every time.

1:05:49SPEAKERYes, which no longer exists on windows.

1:05:51SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:52SPEAKERSo thus we reached the end of the, Hey, here are the things coming to products.

1:05:57SPEAKERAnd now we're going to talk about the thing that the shareholders are going to be excited

1:06:00SPEAKERabout.

1:06:01SPEAKERApple AI, the only, the acronym for the one, the one true acronym for Apple intelligence.

1:06:08SPEAKEROkay.

1:06:09SPEAKERSo they pitched, we've heard a lot about AI.

1:06:13SPEAKERIt's a lot of, Hey, you can have the computer right for you.

1:06:17SPEAKERThis is not their approach was different than that, which I thought was, I was kind of surprised

1:06:21SPEAKERby they build it as personal intelligence, which is intelligence that understands you.

1:06:25SPEAKERAnd I realized that they're one of like two companies that can probably do this, meaning

1:06:31SPEAKERthat they have access, trusted access to your contacts and calendar and photos and all of

1:06:37SPEAKERthe things that you need for this to work.

1:06:40SPEAKERGoogle does for Android users.

1:06:42SPEAKERMicrosoft doesn't really, cause like I don't use my, like my photos don't live on my computer

1:06:47SPEAKERanymore.

1:06:47SPEAKERMy contacts barely live on my computer.

1:06:52SPEAKERAnd the, the things that they were pitching were things like asking it to get a, to make

1:06:57SPEAKERa collection of all the pictures of your kid playing baseball over the last five years

1:07:02SPEAKERand stuff like that, which is like, actually it's, it's why I signed up for Google photos

1:07:08SPEAKER10 years ago is because it was able to do context aware search inside the photos.

1:07:13SPEAKERAnd when I searched for a picture of a dog, it popped up all the pictures of the dog in

1:07:17SPEAKERmy library.

1:07:18SPEAKERSo like this stuff is, it's kind of interesting.

1:07:22SPEAKERTheir pitch is that, you know, Apple's the privacy company is, is their longstanding

1:07:28SPEAKERpitch.

1:07:29SPEAKERThey're saying that they're doing mostly they're doing on device processing, same way that

1:07:32SPEAKERCopilot Plus does with the NPUs on everything from an A17 Pro and an M1 and newer.

1:07:39SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:40SPEAKERSo, I mean, I feel like, I feel like if any giant trillion dollar corporation has earned

1:07:44SPEAKERthat trust, they've come the closest, you know, like secure, like they were probably

1:07:49SPEAKERfirst with like the secure enclave and the SOC, right?

1:07:51SPEAKERLike there was the whole like refusing to unlock stuff for the FBI thing.

1:07:55SPEAKERLike they seem to like walk the walk.

1:07:58SPEAKERI think I trust them more than I trust any of the other trillion dollar companies.

1:08:01SPEAKERYes.

1:08:01SPEAKERYeah, low bar to be clear.

1:08:03SPEAKERLow bar.

1:08:04SPEAKERYeah.

1:08:05SPEAKERThe private cloud compute.

1:08:06SPEAKERSo this is where it gets hinky is that they also have this thing that they call private

1:08:10SPEAKERcloud compute, which uses server models with what they called private servers.

1:08:15SPEAKERI haven't seen any security people do the take down, like the breakdown of how this

1:08:19SPEAKERactually works yet.

1:08:20SPEAKERSo we'll probably talk about this in the future, maybe in a Q and A episode.

1:08:23SPEAKERNo, what does that use for?

1:08:25SPEAKERIs that just like stuff that's too heavy for your phone itself to handle?

1:08:28SPEAKERThey have to shunt it to the cloud compute?

1:08:30SPEAKERYeah, so there's two different layers of, "Hey, we're going to shunt this to the cloud."

1:08:33SPEAKERThere's the one that uses this, and then there's the one that goes to chat GPT when

1:08:37SPEAKERyou talk to Siri, like we'll talk about later on.

1:08:40SPEAKERThey're saying that they encrypt stuff between the device and the server, but I don't

1:08:44SPEAKERunderstand how sending it to a private -- it's not like they're giving me a private cloud

1:08:50SPEAKERinstance, right?

1:08:51SPEAKERThey're not giving each user a private cloud instance.

1:08:53SPEAKERSo somewhere there's an opportunity to log queries that go through and stuff like that.

1:08:58SPEAKERSo I don't understand how it's not leaky in a way that most modern AI stuff is.

1:09:04SPEAKERBut I mean, they are running these machines, they're running it on Apple hardware.

1:09:07SPEAKERSo they're like, as they say, they're in the tool chain top to bottom.

1:09:11SPEAKERSo I guess that's good.

1:09:14SPEAKERI don't know.

1:09:17SPEAKERThat's not a concern.

1:09:18SPEAKERI'm not worried about Intel or Nvidia hacking the AI pipeline and stealing my data.

1:09:23SPEAKERI am worried about Apple using my data to make their AI stuff better.

1:09:28SPEAKERThat's understandable.

1:09:29SPEAKERYou, you, you, you touched on a question I was just sitting here wondering about, which

1:09:32SPEAKERis like, I wonder what Apple's backend stack looks like, you know, like, because like for

1:09:36SPEAKERtraining or just for everything, like their server infrastructure and their data centers

1:09:40SPEAKERfor the, like this stuff, the training, all of it, you know, like, I, I guess what I mean

1:09:44SPEAKERis like, you know, how much, how much like Linux and BSD are they using on the backend

1:09:48SPEAKERversus, cause you know, like Mac OS is a, it's a certified Unix.

1:09:51SPEAKERIt's a literal Unix, but it's not exactly like purpose built for massive data center

1:09:56SPEAKERuse. So when they say, so when they say it's like, it's Apple all the way up and down the

1:10:01SPEAKERstack, they didn't say that I saw that, but they said it was running on Apple hardware.

1:10:05SPEAKEROh, okay.

1:10:05SPEAKERI see the private servers.

1:10:07SPEAKERSo like, I w I wonder what they're using to train.

1:10:09SPEAKERI wonder if they're buying big Nvidia clusters or AMD clusters or something to train.

1:10:13SPEAKERRight.

1:10:13SPEAKERI wonder if they're like, I wonder cause there's two aspects.

1:10:18SPEAKERThere's what does the model run on?

1:10:20SPEAKERWhich is what they're talking about here.

1:10:22SPEAKERThere's also, what did they train the model on and where do they get the data for that?

1:10:25SPEAKERSo I, yeah, I don't, I don't know.

1:10:27SPEAKERI want to see the breakdown of this.

1:10:28SPEAKERWe'll talk about it in the future.

1:10:29SPEAKERCause I'm curious about it.

1:10:32SPEAKERThey're redesigning Siri almost completely.

1:10:34SPEAKERLike this is, this is the big, the big thing this year.

1:10:37SPEAKERIt seems like this might be the biggest thing in this entire presentation.

1:10:41SPEAKERCause it sounds like they're finally turning Siri into what I try to use it as and get

1:10:44SPEAKERfrustrated constantly by it not working that way.

1:10:48SPEAKERYeah.

1:10:48SPEAKERAnd just to be clear, they've pitched this a couple of times in the past, like the original

1:10:51SPEAKERpitch for Siri was it's going to know everything about you.

1:10:53SPEAKERSo it can, it can combine the two different things in a way that you want.

1:10:58SPEAKERAnd, and it never really worked.

1:11:00SPEAKERAnd it's like, you had to learn how to work with it.

1:11:03SPEAKERIt's constraints.

1:11:04SPEAKERAnd this seems like it's adding ability to parse more complicated things.

1:11:09SPEAKERYes.

1:11:09SPEAKERThat's, that's amazing.

1:11:10SPEAKERI'm constantly just asking it.

1:11:11SPEAKERWell, not constantly, but I, you know, occasionally I try to get Siri to harness more context

1:11:16SPEAKERthan it's capable of actually understanding for, for just basic tasks, you know, for like,

1:11:21SPEAKERfor like tweaking reminders or something like that.

1:11:23SPEAKERYou know, or like I use a lot of alarms for things like, you know, like when to take medications

1:11:26SPEAKERand when to get that, when to get that weekly, too good to go produce order.

1:11:30SPEAKERWe always get, you know what I mean?

1:11:31SPEAKERAnd like, and I always wanted, I want to be able to say to Siri, like, Hey, Hey, go delete

1:11:36SPEAKERevery alarm that contains this word or whatever, you know what I mean?

1:11:40SPEAKERLike, like just something selective and contextual like that.

1:11:43SPEAKERAnd it never knows how to do stuff like that.

1:11:45SPEAKERYeah.

1:11:45SPEAKERSo, so it seems like they're doing a lot more of that.

1:11:49SPEAKERThey did, they, the demo that they gave had somebody stumbling over their words as they

1:11:52SPEAKERwere asking it to do something and it, and it recovered and did the right thing.

1:11:56SPEAKERLike I think she said, I need the weather tomorrow for Muir beach.

1:12:00SPEAKERAnd then she changed it to Muir woods or something like that.

1:12:04SPEAKERThe it's contextual, the, the contextual, the context of the conversation carries over

1:12:11SPEAKERpast between queries.

1:12:13SPEAKERYeah, that's huge.

1:12:14SPEAKERSo you can talk about somebody and then it'll say, okay, add them to the, to the invite

1:12:18SPEAKERfor this and it'll add that it'll know which person is them.

1:12:21SPEAKERThat's another one of those natural language things that you just expect to be there.

1:12:24SPEAKERLike they, it was like, this thing has just been in the uncanny valley for a long time

1:12:28SPEAKERof you expect it to do more than it can because it feels like it should.

1:12:31SPEAKERWell, it's funny because the way I've always worked with it is I know it works this way.

1:12:35SPEAKERSo I just do the thing the way that I know it works rather than the way I would expect.

1:12:39SPEAKERI would have this conversation with a human.

1:12:40SPEAKERRight.

1:12:40SPEAKERLike that's how I usually tend to do things as well, but like it just, I feel like maybe

1:12:44SPEAKERit's the promise of it has never really been fulfilled and that's frustrating.

1:12:47SPEAKERWell, and it's often for me, often when the failures happen, they stack.

1:12:53SPEAKERSo like if you ask it to start playing music and it plays the wrong music and then you

1:12:58SPEAKERhave to correct it and correct it and correct it, it just gets worse and worse and worse

1:13:01SPEAKERbecause it gets more and more confused.

1:13:04SPEAKERThey redesigned it.

1:13:05SPEAKERThe ball's gone.

1:13:06SPEAKERSo it pulses in from the edge of the screen now using the curved bits on the edge of the

1:13:10SPEAKERglass.

1:13:10SPEAKERI thought that pulse looked kind of cool.

1:13:12SPEAKERI wonder if they're doing that, excuse me, on the handful of hard edge 16 by like, or

1:13:18SPEAKERnot 16 by nine, but you know, like I still have a phone that is just a rectangle screen.

1:13:23SPEAKERI don't think you're going to get the, you're not going to get it because you don't have

1:13:27SPEAKERthe right processor.

1:13:28SPEAKEROh, right.

1:13:29SPEAKERYes.

1:13:30SPEAKERWell, I wonder if that's just a full article across the product line brand makeover though

1:13:35SPEAKERfor that.

1:13:36SPEAKERI'm not going to get the AI features, but are they still going to refresh the look of

1:13:39SPEAKERSiri across the whole product line?

1:13:40SPEAKERI don't know.

1:13:41SPEAKERWe'll see.

1:13:41SPEAKERIt's an interesting question.

1:13:42SPEAKERThey're a bajillion because I don't know if we mentioned you need, you need a, a, a, a...

1:13:47SPEAKERSo last year's high-end processor and M1.

1:13:50SPEAKERYes.

1:13:50SPEAKERYou need an iPhone 15 Pro or newer to use any of this stuff.

1:13:53SPEAKERSo there's a ton of iPhones that aren't going to be able to do any of this.

1:13:55SPEAKERIt's 14 Pro.

1:13:57SPEAKERIs it?

1:13:57SPEAKERBecause isn't it A18 this year?

1:13:59SPEAKEROh, maybe I'm, I might be right.

1:14:01SPEAKERI thought they said it was the A15 Pro.

1:14:03SPEAKERAnyway.

1:14:04SPEAKERAnyway.

1:14:04SPEAKERYeah, it doesn't matter.

1:14:07SPEAKERThe double tap on the bottom of the screen to type to Siri is nice.

1:14:12SPEAKERI think that's really good.

1:14:13SPEAKERAnd then that's, yeah, that's cool.

1:14:16SPEAKERYeah.

1:14:16SPEAKERCause it's like, there's times when you're laying in bed or something, you want to change

1:14:18SPEAKERsomething and it gives you an easy way to do two things at once.

1:14:21SPEAKERSure.

1:14:22SPEAKERAnd then it's aware it's using the machine vision stuff to know what's on the screen

1:14:26SPEAKERwhen you talk to it.

1:14:26SPEAKERSo if you have a recipe open, it knows it, it can look at it and be like, Oh, this is

1:14:30SPEAKERa recipe.

1:14:31SPEAKERWhat should I do now?

1:14:33SPEAKERLike I'm, I, I saw that and I was like, Oh, when I'm cooking, I'm going to use this.

1:14:38SPEAKERCause I often have three timers going and they're for different things.

1:14:42SPEAKERAnd I can just say, Hey, start a timer for the, for the potatoes, blah, blah, blah.

1:14:47SPEAKERWhatever the recipe says.

1:14:48SPEAKERI wonder if it has deep hooks into content yet, where you can say like, Hey, take, take

1:14:52SPEAKERjust the recipe on this webpage and turn it into a PDF and put it in files or something

1:14:56SPEAKERlike that.

1:14:57SPEAKERThey talked about that kind of stuff.

1:15:00SPEAKERThey're, they're building a bunch of default intents for different app types.

1:15:04SPEAKERThey said they're going to continue to do those.

1:15:06SPEAKERSo it's like pre-trained stuff, like adding filters to photos and working in spread, manipulating

1:15:11SPEAKERspreadsheets and stuff like that.

1:15:14SPEAKERLike the weird thing about all of this is that all of this sounds pretty good.

1:15:20SPEAKERIt doesn't really solve any of my other concerns about the AI stuff, but it seems like these

1:15:25SPEAKERuse cases are like the cases that they're set up are designed to minimize the places

1:15:31SPEAKERwhere the machine can lie to you as the, as the opportunity to generate a lie to make

1:15:37SPEAKERyou happy.

1:15:38SPEAKERAnd, and that like that minus the energy stuff, which I still am freaked out about solves

1:15:44SPEAKERa lot of the problems that I have with some of the generative, the broader generative

1:15:47SPEAKERstuff.

1:15:49SPEAKERThe writing tools is another example of them.

1:15:51SPEAKERInstead of generating something from scratch, like helping you make this stuff that you

1:15:55SPEAKERwrite better.

1:15:56SPEAKERI'm skeptical that any of this is going to be worth a shit.

1:15:59SPEAKERI mean, yeah, I frees framed on some of the examples they showed and it's not something

1:16:03SPEAKERI would use necessarily, but I can see how some people would like it.

1:16:07SPEAKERWe're also arguably probably better writers than most of the general population because

1:16:11SPEAKERwe spent like 10 years getting yelled at for bad writing.

1:16:13SPEAKERLike I've, you know, we've, we've written countless articles and like triple countless

1:16:19SPEAKERnumbers of emails in our careers.

1:16:21SPEAKERBut, but more than that, going through the editorial process where your stuff is edited

1:16:24SPEAKERand you get questioned on stuff is a really good way to get better at writing fast.

1:16:28SPEAKERRight.

1:16:28SPEAKERThat's what I meant.

1:16:29SPEAKERI could see why it would be useful to a lot of people.

1:16:31SPEAKERYeah.

1:16:33SPEAKERSorry, let me, let me jump in.

1:16:34SPEAKERBut like crucially, they did not say or show any kind of feature that will just generate

1:16:39SPEAKERtext for you, right?

1:16:40SPEAKERDid not at all.

1:16:42SPEAKERThey showed automatic rewriting where you like highlight a paragraph and you're like,

1:16:45SPEAKERHey, here's five different versions of this that you can choose from, which is kind of

1:16:48SPEAKERlike, that's, that's like that, that seems moderately useful.

1:16:52SPEAKERYeah.

1:16:52SPEAKERThat actually sounds kind of, I mean, that, that is maybe something I would look at just

1:16:55SPEAKERas a, as a way to get some kind of feedback or variation, but crucially you always, it

1:17:01SPEAKERseems like you always have to provide the material first.

1:17:05SPEAKERSo, so I think my take on this whole thing is that instead of having people generate

1:17:10SPEAKERqueries to generate text, they're doing an interesting job of, of creating a building

1:17:15SPEAKERtools that create queries for you prompts for them, for the AI models for you.

1:17:19SPEAKERSo what they're doing is using, I'm sure they're just generating a prompt that when

1:17:23SPEAKERyou highlight the text, it says, Hey, make a version of this that's less aggressive or

1:17:27SPEAKERmore aggressive or more professional or more casual or whatever.

1:17:31SPEAKERAnd they're giving you, they're giving you the, the kind of finding that you need to

1:17:35SPEAKERgenerate those prompts without you having to know how to generate a prompt, which is,

1:17:38SPEAKERwhich is smart.

1:17:39SPEAKERI hate it, but it's smart.

1:17:41SPEAKERAnd then I actually wrote, I hate this in the notes at this point.

1:17:45SPEAKERAnd then I said, technically, I don't hate this.

1:17:47SPEAKERI liked that it's about changing work and not starting from zero, but like, it's still

1:17:51SPEAKERjust generating a prompt for you.

1:17:53SPEAKERUm, uh, parsing emails for events and stuff like that is, seems wonderful.

1:17:58SPEAKERThat's part of this too.

1:18:00SPEAKERSo like it, it sees that there's your friends that you talk to are asking you to come to

1:18:04SPEAKERa barbecue and then it's going to automatically generate a barbecue calendar thing for you,

1:18:08SPEAKERwhich sounds wonderful.

1:18:10SPEAKERAnd it might be enough to get me to stop using Gmail and fantastic Cal.

1:18:14SPEAKEROkay.

1:18:14SPEAKERSo about this time is when I thought, uh, this stuff is starting to sound too good to

1:18:18SPEAKERbe true.

1:18:19SPEAKEROkay. Uh, they got to reduce notifications focus, which is just like, I kind of want

1:18:25SPEAKERthat on all the time.

1:18:26SPEAKERYeah.

1:18:27SPEAKERI'm very torn on this one because a, I got excited when I saw it because it's very necessary.

1:18:32SPEAKERB it just kind of feels like, Hey, we're just going to cover up the problem rather than

1:18:36SPEAKERactually fix the root of the problem, which is that there are way too many notifications.

1:18:39SPEAKERWell, so the solve for the problem is to have a tool that helps you turn off notifications

1:18:44SPEAKERin mass.

1:18:45SPEAKERYeah.

1:18:45SPEAKERRight. Cause that's what I really want is I want something that's like, yo, these are

1:18:49SPEAKERthe 10 applications you've never opened a notification for just turn this shit off.

1:18:54SPEAKERYes.

1:18:54SPEAKERThat would be very nice.

1:18:55SPEAKERUm, there's also, I mean, there's kind of a granularity problem in some cases, maybe

1:18:59SPEAKERthis isn't super widespread, but you have things like Uber where you absolutely need

1:19:03SPEAKERthe notifications for your driver is here.

1:19:05SPEAKERYeah.

1:19:06SPEAKERBut they also send you all kinds of ad bullshit via notification all the time.

1:19:10SPEAKERAnd that's a, that's a, you got to get into the preferences for the application, not a

1:19:14SPEAKERsystem level problem, right?

1:19:15SPEAKERYeah. That is fair.

1:19:16SPEAKERYeah. But, but I mean, there's a way both on Android and iOS, I believe to prior to

1:19:23SPEAKERsay, Hey, this is a high priority notification within your notification chain.

1:19:27SPEAKERThat already existed.

1:19:28SPEAKERYeah. That's existed for a long time. So they should, um, cause like, like I can get, I

1:19:34SPEAKERthink I want to say, I can't remember the specific example, but I have something that

1:19:39SPEAKERwhen I was in a do not disturb, it pushed a notification through and I was like, Oh,

1:19:42SPEAKERthat's interesting. But it was a notification I actually needed because it was something

1:19:45SPEAKERhigh priority. Um, I think the, the general, like, so the general idea of this feature

1:19:51SPEAKERis you can put a focus and it's unclear to me if this is a focus setting for focuses

1:19:57SPEAKERyou've created, or if this is a new type of focus, but it's a, we only let through

1:20:02SPEAKERimportant notifications setting, which previously you could do for like favorite

1:20:07SPEAKERpeople. So you could say, okay, I always want to get text messages. Brad's one of my

1:20:11SPEAKERfavorite people. I always want to get text messages. He sends me, sends me a text

1:20:14SPEAKERmessage, but you couldn't say these are the apps or these are the messages within the

1:20:20SPEAKERapps that are the important ones. Like your Uber example, or, Hey, door dash just left

1:20:24SPEAKERfood on your front step. Or, um, I don't know something else that you're, there's a

1:20:29SPEAKERsmoke alarm going off in your house. Um, and this seems like they're applying machine

1:20:35SPEAKERlearning to that. Now I'm a little skeptical, but this, this seems like the kind of

1:20:40SPEAKERproblem that machine learning should be good for. Yeah. You would hope so. It's

1:20:43SPEAKERjust that the penalty for failure is extreme. If the thing you miss is extremely

1:20:48SPEAKERunmissable, I assume they err on the side of not missing rather than missing, but I

1:20:52SPEAKERcould make Billy who knows. Yeah. One would hope. Um, yeah. So that, that was

1:20:57SPEAKERinteresting. Then we get into the, like the, the horror show with the image

1:21:00SPEAKERcreation stuff. This is where it started to go off the rails for me. So it was a

1:21:03SPEAKERreal hard swing here. Uh, they, they have these Jen Moji things, which is like, you

1:21:08SPEAKERknow, the memo G's, you love them, you know, them, it's like a little, little

1:21:12SPEAKERpicture of you and you can animate it that you can make it your avatar. If

1:21:16SPEAKERyou're in a FaceTime call, it's a, it's a, yeah, it's a little already a little bit

1:21:20SPEAKERof a nightmare factory, but it makes it, it's like the cool guy version of me.

1:21:24SPEAKERThey're a cultural institution at this point. Yeah. But it, it followed the

1:21:27SPEAKERtraditional path of, Hey, uh, all my friends are going to start using it. It's

1:21:32SPEAKERlike, it's like, uh, the snap, uh, what are those snap stickers? The, the, the, um,

1:21:36SPEAKERSnapchat owns them. They're like hip, hip, hip, something. Hold on. Hip. Nope.

1:21:44SPEAKERNot hip camp. Uh, snap. I don't remember what it's called. Shoot. Snapchat.

1:21:50SPEAKERI keep wanting to say Hipstamatic, which was very different thing.

1:21:53SPEAKERIt was not that. Let me see. I have the app still installed. I'm sure more,

1:21:57SPEAKERlet's click more emoji. Live demo folks. I disabled the app because it annoyed me,

1:22:03SPEAKERI guess, at some point in the past, anyway, uh, it used to be a thing that

1:22:09SPEAKERSnapchat owned and you could make little avatar versions of you and then send

1:22:14SPEAKERpictures of yourself to your friends. And, uh, it started out as a thing that

1:22:19SPEAKERall of my friends were using ironically to indicate how stupid it was. And then

1:22:23SPEAKERpretty soon we were actively communicating using the stupid thing that we

1:22:26SPEAKERall hated. That's, that's the problem with irony. Yeah. Uh, it can become

1:22:30SPEAKERsincerity when you're not looking it, uh, it is bitmoji is what it was. Oh,

1:22:37SPEAKERbit. Yes. Okay. Yes. So then that's what the, then they introduced an emoji,

1:22:42SPEAKERwhich was kind of Apple's take on this without like the star Wars branding and

1:22:45SPEAKERall the stuff that they tied in because I want to say the, the bitmoji probably

1:22:49SPEAKERmade a fair amount of money for Snapchat given by how many like integrations they

1:22:53SPEAKERgot with guardians of the galaxy and all that stuff. Uh, this, the next step of

1:22:58SPEAKERthat is genmoji, which is AI created generative memojis, which like you could

1:23:05SPEAKERhave a sloth memoji and you could have, uh, whatever. I like, I don't, they,

1:23:10SPEAKERlook, I don't understand how this is generative. It just seems like they had

1:23:15SPEAKERpeople making a bunch of these, but I guess it's generative. I don't know.

1:23:20SPEAKERYeah. I mean, a lot of, I think the examples are very contextual or

1:23:23SPEAKERsituational, right? It's like, I don't just want a cat dress as a chef. I need

1:23:27SPEAKERthe cat dressed as a chef to be making a lasagna. Yeah. And it also needs to be

1:23:32SPEAKERworried about my days. Yes, indeed. Yeah. Um, it's like, I feel less bad

1:23:37SPEAKERabout this cause this feels less infringy. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, A, A, I

1:23:42SPEAKERdefinitely kind of get the need because there's certainly been times that I wish

1:23:45SPEAKERthere was an extremely specific bespoke emoji I could drop as a very specific

1:23:49SPEAKERjoke that didn't exist. And if to be able to make that, is there something to

1:23:54SPEAKERthat idea? But yeah, also like, what did they train this on? Like emojis?

1:23:58SPEAKERThey're training this on emojis and art they created presumably, and then

1:24:01SPEAKERgeneral purpose pictures of things. Right. Like, like pictures, pictures of

1:24:05SPEAKERfood, pictures of animals. And then, and then the art style comes from the

1:24:08SPEAKERexisting giant pool of emoji that they control. Yeah. But like at the same

1:24:12SPEAKERtime, if I can type in, I want a genmoji version of me, you know, uh,

1:24:19SPEAKERdrinking a tea in the, like the Kermit meme, but in the style of Lisa Frank.

1:24:24SPEAKERAnd if it does that, then I feel bad about it again. So hopefully, hopefully

1:24:28SPEAKERthey're not stealing people's art, I guess. Oh, I thought this was constrained

1:24:31SPEAKERto looking like the existing emoji style. They do look like the existing emoji

1:24:36SPEAKERstyle, but often the constraints, the rails on this stuff are pretty easy to

1:24:40SPEAKERbypass. So as always the, the it's all in the implementation, I think.

1:24:46SPEAKERYeah. Actually, now that I'm looking at something like, like the initial, the

1:24:49SPEAKERinitial ones they show examples of, or like, you know, like the very classic

1:24:53SPEAKERemoji, smiley face, just round yellow smiley face, except with cucumber slices

1:24:57SPEAKERfor eyes, like that, like that, that could be an existing emoji, right? Like

1:25:01SPEAKERthat could have come right out of the pool on your phone already. But then,

1:25:05SPEAKERyeah, as you, as you get a little deeper into the video, you see some stuff

1:25:09SPEAKERwith backgrounds on it. And there's like, here's my cat chef example,

1:25:14SPEAKERactually. And yes, that one is a little bit more of a bespoke art style with

1:25:17SPEAKERlike a full on background and everything. Of course, you know, the other angle

1:25:21SPEAKERwith that though, is like, what is this replacing? I feel like, like, like what

1:25:24SPEAKERare the pertinent questions about generative AI you need to ask? Where do

1:25:28SPEAKERthey get the data they trained on? What role is this playing and what is it

1:25:32SPEAKERreplacing? Right. And I guess in fairness, it's not like there's a thriving

1:25:37SPEAKERlike app store of emoji artists. This is undercutting. You know what I mean?

1:25:43SPEAKERI will tell you there is a large market in artists building pixel art imagery

1:25:48SPEAKERfor Twitch streams and YouTube streams and stuff like that.

1:25:51SPEAKERSure. But I mean, specifically in the context of where this can be used,

1:25:53SPEAKERwhich is iMessage, right? Like they don't, they don't let you bring outside

1:25:56SPEAKERimages in that way, right? Aren't you limited to what they provide already?

1:26:00SPEAKERSo stickers fit in that category of things you can add in, but you can't do

1:26:05SPEAKERstickers as, so the thing is you can add these as like the hit, the hit reactions

1:26:10SPEAKERon all your iMessages now. Stickers were kind of that. I still think the

1:26:14SPEAKERstickers are gated somehow. I'm not, I don't, I don't really use the stickers,

1:26:18SPEAKERso it's hard for me to, all of my stickers are emoji and like animal. It's

1:26:27SPEAKERlike the animals that you can make be your avatar doing different emoji

1:26:34SPEAKERreactions. So it's like, here's a skull with its head exploding off with a

1:26:38SPEAKERmushroom cloud on it or crying or with stars or whatever. I assume that's,

1:26:42SPEAKERthat one's not in China, probably. Here's the poop emoji looking very

1:26:47SPEAKERsurprised and very upset and grumpy and with naughty language bleeps over its

1:26:51SPEAKERmouth. Yeah. So it's weird. I don't know.

1:26:54SPEAKERYeah. It is, it is a bit weird, but you know, like if for something where

1:26:58SPEAKERyou're just looking for a one-time throwaway joke that you're never going

1:27:01SPEAKERto use again, not like you're going to pause your text conversation and go

1:27:04SPEAKERcommission an artist to make that for you. So.

1:27:07SPEAKERThere's an argument about devaluing the value of art, but like I said, since

1:27:12SPEAKERit's, since it's, it feels less to me, it feels less bad to me somehow

1:27:16SPEAKERbecause it feels like a souped up character creator. Sure. Like it feels

1:27:20SPEAKERlike you could build a non AI version of this tool and it would, it would

1:27:23SPEAKERwork effectively the same way. For all we know, this may not even be an AI

1:27:26SPEAKERversion of this tool. This could just be a non AI version of this tool that

1:27:30SPEAKERthey're dumping an infinite amount of art into. Yeah. There's also image

1:27:35SPEAKERplayground, which is there. This honestly, this is another one of those

1:27:39SPEAKERthings that feels like a graphic, like a prompt generator. So it is a, you

1:27:45SPEAKERcan describe the image of the thing you want. Grandma wearing, looking very

1:27:50SPEAKERhappy and doing something. Birthday was one of the ones that they gave.

1:27:54SPEAKERThere's an API, so you can integrate it in your apps and they showed

1:27:57SPEAKERgenerating images of different things that people were putting into a bunch

1:28:02SPEAKERof different places. And it seemed very easy and kind of like, it's the

1:28:07SPEAKERleast interesting thing I can think of using this technology for. Yeah.

1:28:12SPEAKERSome of the images I see coming out of this thing are less appealing. They

1:28:15SPEAKERsound a lot of them are real bad than the emoji context. Yeah. So so yeah,

1:28:22SPEAKERlike, like I think the, I think the gen Moji thing is kind of potentially

1:28:26SPEAKERinteresting in the same way that like your, your, your your stickers and

1:28:31SPEAKERyour, your, your emoji and your, and your, what was the other one? Bitmoji

1:28:36SPEAKERsame way they were. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, again, I think, I think just

1:28:39SPEAKERwithin the very narrow and crucially private context of goofing with or

1:28:44SPEAKERtrolling your friends. Yeah. It's it's a little bit less bad of an issue.

1:28:50SPEAKERAnd part of that is because they did not go harder with generative stuff

1:28:54SPEAKERacross the rest of this announcement. Yeah. Like this is kind of the, what

1:28:58SPEAKERwe've just described as far as I can tell, it's kind of the extreme of what

1:29:01SPEAKERthey're offering here, right? I think it's the closest to what I would

1:29:04SPEAKERdescribe as a traditional AI application. Yes. The other thing that they

1:29:09SPEAKERadded is this image, one thing that transforms rough sketches. So a lot of

1:29:13SPEAKERthis stuff is ending up in note in the notes app specifically. There's a lot

1:29:16SPEAKERof like the text, text wiggle, like the text correction and the handwriting

1:29:21SPEAKERcorrection and the math, the math notes stuff is all ending up in the notes

1:29:25SPEAKERapp. There's a lot of like, Hey, you can record a lecture and it'll

1:29:31SPEAKERgenerate an AI generated summary of that lecture after the lecture is over,

1:29:36SPEAKERor it will generate just notes for you if you want, which like, you're not

1:29:40SPEAKERgoing to lie. That one sounds okay. Like automatically, like nobody there's

1:29:45SPEAKERvalue in taking meeting notes, having been the person who takes meeting

1:29:49SPEAKERnotes in most of the meetings I've been in for the last 20 years. But it's

1:29:53SPEAKERalso really interesting to have a machine do that. So you can focus on

1:29:57SPEAKERlike being a more active participant in the meeting a lot of times. Right.

1:30:01SPEAKERThat, that kind of makes me realize this could probably be used to generate

1:30:05SPEAKERpodcast chapters at some point. Let's not get crazy. I'm not saying I would

1:30:10SPEAKERdo that. I would probably never trust it, but. Yeah. Like, that's a good

1:30:17SPEAKERpoint though. Cause a lot of the stuff I would use this stuff for is stuff

1:30:21SPEAKERthat I would love to do if I had more time, but because I don't have time

1:30:25SPEAKERto go back and check it. And I know that these are machines that we've

1:30:28SPEAKERtaught to lie. I'm less inclined to treat the output of this as

1:30:33SPEAKERtrustworthy. There's a great, from the chat GPT section, there's a great

1:30:39SPEAKERlittle disclaimer at the bottom of the chat GPT interface in Siri, where it

1:30:44SPEAKERsays check information for mistakes at the bottom of every chat GPT

1:30:49SPEAKERinteraction. So, yeah, that's a ring endorsement, I guess. So the image

1:30:56SPEAKERwand, you move it over, you'd like do a rough sketch in your note, note,

1:31:01SPEAKERnotes document, and then you kind of just highlight it with this. It's just

1:31:05SPEAKERlike a, it's like a normal drawing tool, but it turns the rough sketch

1:31:08SPEAKERinto an image. I'm wildly curious to try this. Yeah. So I mean, it'd be

1:31:13SPEAKERfun to see what it comes up with. I don't know. There's also something,

1:31:16SPEAKERthere's a certain artistry even to like crappy dashed off rough sketches.

1:31:23SPEAKERSometimes, sometimes the expressiveness and even something that's

1:31:26SPEAKERsimple is preferable to something that looks nice and professional.

1:31:29SPEAKERLike there was a, there was a person on Reddit for years that would just

1:31:31SPEAKERdo shitty paint drawings of things that people asked for. It was great.

1:31:36SPEAKERI love that photo editing lets you, like, this is the thing that's

1:31:41SPEAKERexisted in Photoshop and a lot of other things it's in the photos app.

1:31:43SPEAKERNow it lets you take stuff out of the background really easily.

1:31:48SPEAKERWhat is that? What they call those like kind of content aware features

1:31:52SPEAKERbasically? Well, Adobe calls it content aware race and stuff like that.

1:31:56SPEAKERIt's basically cloning the right part of the background or inferring

1:32:00SPEAKERwhat's in the background. I'm sure it's going to create some real nightmares,

1:32:04SPEAKERbut also like there's a, there's a real appeal of being able to do that easily.

1:32:10SPEAKERGoogle, Google has a feature where if you take like 10 pictures of a big

1:32:13SPEAKERgroup of people, it'll take the good heads from each of the people in the,

1:32:17SPEAKERin the, in the, you know, how like the one picture where nine people are good

1:32:22SPEAKERand one person blinks and they'll take a good head from one of the other

1:32:25SPEAKERpictures and put it on that person for the, for the other one.

1:32:30SPEAKERI think that's maybe more useful ultimately, but I also spent a lot of

1:32:34SPEAKERtime taking pictures of large groups of children, which is a fucking nightmare.

1:32:37SPEAKERYes. I can imagine.

1:32:39SPEAKERYou'll note, you'll note the sample photo they used here has a very like

1:32:43SPEAKEReasily repeatable background. It's a bunch of like gravel or rocks and

1:32:47SPEAKERwater. Well, and it's a beach, which the machines understand.

1:32:50SPEAKERThat's what I mean. It's like the, the, the sample image they've used here is

1:32:53SPEAKERprobably very easy for the machine to replicate this repeatable background

1:32:58SPEAKERover top of the people that they want to remove.

1:32:59SPEAKERAnd also the context of the things they were moving. Like one person is a

1:33:03SPEAKERperson holding a selfie stick, I think. And the other one is a, is like

1:33:07SPEAKERa guy with the tall hat at the Queen's house.

1:33:11SPEAKERWhat are they called?

1:33:12SPEAKERBee feeders?

1:33:13SPEAKERNo, no, they have the, they have the flat hats, not the tall ones.

1:33:16SPEAKEROh, I don't know.

1:33:18SPEAKERRoyal guard or something. Anyway, we're not English.

1:33:21SPEAKERWe don't have to know this natural language search for phone camera and

1:33:26SPEAKERpictures and videos, which is like, I kind of was surprised that this wasn't

1:33:30SPEAKERin there already. I thought you could search for dog on, on the iPhone and it

1:33:33SPEAKERwould give you a dog, give you the pictures of a dog.

1:33:38SPEAKERAm I missing something here? I definitely searched with texts.

1:33:42SPEAKERSearching inside videos is new.

1:33:44SPEAKERYes. That, and sure that definitely maybe, maybe it's just more robust text

1:33:48SPEAKERsearch.

1:33:48SPEAKERIt may be smarter. It may be that it doesn't know people. I don't.

1:33:53SPEAKERYeah. Like the, the example they're using here says Maria cartwheeling on

1:33:56SPEAKERthe grass. So I guess it's able to identify specific people.

1:34:02SPEAKERAnd some, when I search for dog running, I get nothing. When I search for

1:34:05SPEAKERdog, I get pictures of dogs.

1:34:09SPEAKERSo anyway that's good. I guess I, I assume that computer is going to run

1:34:13SPEAKERon the phone while it's plugged in and charging at night.

1:34:17SPEAKERCause this feels like something you shouldn't have to run on the cloud.

1:34:20SPEAKERYeah.

1:34:21SPEAKERThe movie I wrote movie is generated based on context and time. And I, oh,

1:34:26SPEAKERthis is generating like the, the kind of, Hey, do you remember you can,

1:34:31SPEAKERyou can prompt it to generate specific movies based on verbal or written

1:34:36SPEAKERprompts. And it uses context of the images and the time they were taken and

1:34:42SPEAKERthe location they were taken all basically like, this is one of those

1:34:44SPEAKERthings that Apple could do because they have access to photos and contacts

1:34:47SPEAKERand your location data and all this stuff. So they make like a clip, real

1:34:51SPEAKERvideo of your different assembling, a bunch of different shots from

1:34:56SPEAKERdifferent time periods where you're doing, like, I think the classic

1:35:00SPEAKERexample is, Hey, here's every time I took my kid fishing between the time

1:35:03SPEAKERthey were born. And when they were like the most recent time we went

1:35:06SPEAKERfishing and it makes a kind of like fishing through the ages thing or

1:35:10SPEAKERsomething. These, this is one of the things that you're looking at me. Like

1:35:14SPEAKERI'm a crazy person. I, I literally have a widget for the Google photos

1:35:19SPEAKERversion of this on my home screen, because it always pops up something

1:35:21SPEAKERthat makes me either really happy or super bummed. If it shows me like a

1:35:26SPEAKERpicture of the dog just before she died. Yes. I certainly get that. I've

1:35:30SPEAKERbeen, I've been there. Yeah. Live recording calls along with the notes,

1:35:35SPEAKERauto record and summarize. So if you're on the phone with somebody, you

1:35:39SPEAKERcan hit a button and it'll start recording and say, this call is being

1:35:42SPEAKERrecorded by the iPhone or something like that. Oh, it does insert

1:35:45SPEAKERsomething. Cause I was going to say, you should probably be conscious of

1:35:48SPEAKERlocal surveillance laws. Yeah. Whether you're a two party or one party state

1:35:53SPEAKERand all that, but they specifically said it probably notifies all everybody

1:35:56SPEAKERon the call. And then you get a text summary at the end, which is awesome.

1:36:01SPEAKERThat sounds really good. Yeah. This stuff is all free with iOS 18. They're

1:36:07SPEAKERnot charging for it, which I thought was interesting. Well, barely standard

1:36:11SPEAKERfor Apple. I mean, they are still a hardware company at their heart at

1:36:14SPEAKERheart at their core, but I mean, they do, they do charge for the, there's a

1:36:18SPEAKERlot of services they charge for now. Yeah. You're right. A month. You're

1:36:21SPEAKERright. I mean, what is, what is their, what is their big umbrella service?

1:36:25SPEAKERApple one, is that what it's called? Yeah. Are you in that? Apple one plus,

1:36:28SPEAKERwhich has fitness too. Oh God. What? Yeah. So the Apple one, I think I paid

1:36:33SPEAKER20 bucks a month for Apple one. Okay. Cause of the, cause of phone storage.

1:36:37SPEAKERI think, so I'm going to tell you, if this stuff works as well as they

1:36:40SPEAKERdemoed it, I'm going to switch. I'm going to stop paying for Google

1:36:43SPEAKERphotos and move my photos back into Apple. I think that makes sense. I

1:36:46SPEAKERmean, as far as charging for this stuff, like this is, I don't feel like this

1:36:50SPEAKERall rolls up into one service that you could necessarily get away with

1:36:53SPEAKERcharging money for like, like some of these features are pretty cool in

1:36:58SPEAKERand of themselves, but it's not like, this is not like some cohesive hole.

1:37:01SPEAKERI feel like I think, I think I think that some of this stuff, like the way

1:37:07SPEAKERI would charge for this, if I were building a service around, it would

1:37:09SPEAKERbe to put an umbrella that you get access to like the better level of the

1:37:16SPEAKERcloud. You get the cloud AI stuff. If you're a subscriber to the one to

1:37:19SPEAKERsome tier of one or storage or something like that. Yeah. Speaking of

1:37:24SPEAKERmoney, I might be out of scope for this episode. I think I saw the

1:37:27SPEAKERApple's deal with chat GPT or with open AI is like extremely disadvantageous

1:37:31SPEAKERto open AI. Well, so we haven't talked about the chat GPT thing yet. Oh,

1:37:35SPEAKERthat's okay. Yeah. We'll get to that. So basically if you ask Siri

1:37:39SPEAKERsomething and it gets a query, it doesn't understand that it thinks chat

1:37:43SPEAKERGPT can understand, like you ask it to plan a menu for you was the example

1:37:48SPEAKERthey gave, which seems like a fucking terrible idea given. Anyway, just

1:37:52SPEAKERdon't, don't, don't ask chat GPT to plan your vacations unless you like

1:37:56SPEAKERhaving bad vacations. Sure. It asks, Siri asks permission to share the

1:38:01SPEAKERquestion and then dumps it out to chat GPT. And then that chat GPT lies to

1:38:07SPEAKERyou. So open AI didn't get paid for this, which is according to Ed Zitron.

1:38:13SPEAKERHe said that they negotiated a, Hey, we're just going to do this for you

1:38:17SPEAKERdeal for exposure, which is incredible because it's an enormous cost for

1:38:22SPEAKERthem. It's only to the free tier of chat GPT stuff. So you get presumably

1:38:27SPEAKERwhatever the most current three tier chat GPT model is. And it does have

1:38:34SPEAKERthe check information for mistakes, disclaimer at the bottom, which is

1:38:38SPEAKERincredible to me. If you're paying, you don't have to have an account to

1:38:42SPEAKERuse it. So it just, it just goes through. I assume they're giving you

1:38:46SPEAKERlike a, they're making a, a hash account for your phone. That is just

1:38:50SPEAKERalways you. And then you do get paid features if you're logged into chat

1:38:56SPEAKERGPT on the phone and they want to do other AI models in the future as

1:38:59SPEAKERwell. So like, I wonder if you can do like a, like a llama three or

1:39:03SPEAKERstable diffusion or something like that. That's running on a local

1:39:05SPEAKERmachine. I'm curious about that. And that's it. The last thing they

1:39:14SPEAKERclosed with was, Hey, they want to make all this stuff accessible to

1:39:17SPEAKERdevelopers starting in the fall when this ships to users. So they're

1:39:21SPEAKERbuilding out intents that have a pre-structured queries and stuff like

1:39:26SPEAKERthat. So it's relatively easy to add it for the, or I assume as much

1:39:30SPEAKERstuff as they can get done between now and then. But betas are out now

1:39:35SPEAKERfor developers. Public betas will be later this month and everything

1:39:39SPEAKERships in the fall. Same as always along with new phones, new phones,

1:39:45SPEAKERand probably, probably new. I think we're due for new watches around

1:39:49SPEAKERthen too. I can't remember if they do watches in the fall now.

1:39:52SPEAKERThey definitely do. They might announce them at the same event as the

1:39:55SPEAKERphone or maybe like a month later or something. I'm not sure.

1:39:59SPEAKERAnyway. It was like, what did, what, what, what did you think after all

1:40:02SPEAKERthis? Like, where'd you end up? I mean, I'm not like jumping out of my

1:40:06SPEAKERchair for any of this stuff. Well, you, you mean the whole thing or just

1:40:09SPEAKERthe AI stuff? Yeah. What's I would ask what's like, I came out of this

1:40:13SPEAKERpretty like feeling like I didn't, I expected to be pretty down on

1:40:18SPEAKERwhatever AI stuff they came out with. And I'm, I would say I'm neutral

1:40:24SPEAKERon all of this. That's like, there's nothing in the AI stuff. Is there

1:40:27SPEAKERanything I'm like jumping out of my chair to use? It seems like the least

1:40:30SPEAKERbad implementation of this technology of anybody who's using it at the

1:40:34SPEAKERmoment. That seems right. Or the least damaging. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1:40:39SPEAKERhow useful it is remains to be seen. Like some, some of the, like, like we

1:40:43SPEAKERtalked about before, like the, the, like the handwriting cleanup, the,

1:40:46SPEAKERthe live math equation solving stuff like that is just pretty, pretty

1:40:51SPEAKERclearly beneficial. It's cool. Nothing else. Yes. Like for me, the, the,

1:40:57SPEAKERit feels like I think a lot of this stuff would have landed harder if they

1:41:01SPEAKERhadn't essentially made these same promises multiple times in the past,

1:41:05SPEAKERespecially like the stuff around Siri having context awareness between

1:41:08SPEAKERconversations and stuff like that. This is all stuff that they've said they

1:41:11SPEAKERhave working in the past and then just never shipped or if they did ship it,

1:41:15SPEAKERit didn't work very well. Yeah. I think the Siri one, like if it's

1:41:19SPEAKERmaking Siri more robust and able to more naturally just do things that you

1:41:24SPEAKERask it to instantly a lot of massaging and guardrails and running into

1:41:29SPEAKERceilings that, yeah, that, that, that could be huge. I've been looking at

1:41:34SPEAKERfor people who understand what they're talking about to talk about how the

1:41:38SPEAKERprivate cloud compute stuff works. There was a, there was an article on past

1:41:43SPEAKERcompany that was kind of interesting, but not what I was looking for. So

1:41:47SPEAKERwe'll talk more about that as we get more detail. I think that there was a

1:41:50SPEAKERsession the day that we recorded this that talks about it how it all, how it

1:41:55SPEAKERall like what the backend infrastructure is like. So there'll probably be

1:41:58SPEAKERmore about that soon. And if there's stuff we'll link it in the discord and

1:42:01SPEAKERprobably tweet about it or whatever your modern post Twitter equivalent is.

1:42:06SPEAKERYeah. I broadly, I would say like among the AI stuff, like Siri is the only

1:42:10SPEAKERthing there that looks actually functional to me. Everything else is at

1:42:13SPEAKERbest kind of novel. The stuff I'm the most excited about is, is fully outside

1:42:16SPEAKERof the AI. It's like better control center, RCS supports, fricking windows

1:42:22SPEAKERsnapping to corners and MacOS. You know, it's like the stuff I'm excited about

1:42:26SPEAKERis just a bunch of basic usability features that they have lacked and

1:42:30SPEAKERshould have had already. I'm pretty excited about the idea to add

1:42:36SPEAKERsmarter filtering to the notifications. I think if that works, that that's

1:42:41SPEAKERreally exciting. I think the I think the, the the note, the, the enhance,

1:42:48SPEAKERlike honestly, I think the secret Sherlock of this is all the 50 million

1:42:51SPEAKERnotes, note-taking apps that everybody uses. Because I think that the, I

1:42:56SPEAKERdidn't even talk about it, but the, the free form thing, they're basically

1:43:00SPEAKERdoing a deck creation tool in there. So you basically can make your, you can

1:43:05SPEAKERmake scenes for freeform where you do your drawing and then you can say,

1:43:10SPEAKERokay, start on this one and then move the framing. So it scootches across

1:43:14SPEAKERthe big, huge freeform canvas onto the next one and onto the next one, onto

1:43:17SPEAKERthe next one for like presentations and stuff like that, that are hand

1:43:21SPEAKERdrawn and really cool. I think, I think that like, I think, but I think the

1:43:26SPEAKERnote, if they make notes good, and it's a place where you could put

1:43:30SPEAKERhandwriting and drawing and audio and all of this stuff and automatically

1:43:35SPEAKERgenerate summaries and things like that. I think that's really neat.

1:43:38SPEAKERYeah. Like it's, it's kind of crazy to think of notes as a potential killer

1:43:42SPEAKERapp, but then it should have always been the killer app though. You're,

1:43:46SPEAKERyou're, you're maybe not wrong, but that, that immediately raises the

1:43:48SPEAKERquestion for me though, is, is there still as much value there if you don't

1:43:51SPEAKERhave the pencil? Well, so for me, I think about like when I was in college,

1:43:57SPEAKERthere was, when you'd have a big lecture, there'd often be like, everybody

1:44:02SPEAKERwould walk up and put like a tape recorder on the, on the pedestal in

1:44:06SPEAKERfront of the speaker and they'd record the lecture. Right. And I imagine

1:44:10SPEAKERwalking up and setting my phone on that and setting it to record and then

1:44:14SPEAKERtaking notes into the same document that that's recording into on my iPad

1:44:18SPEAKERor my laptop in the, in the, in the carrels, in the seats. And like, that

1:44:25SPEAKERseems kind of compelling. So I don't know. I don't know that I'm going to

1:44:31SPEAKERput my phone up on the counter. That seems like a disaster when it starts

1:44:34SPEAKERringing or something. But you know, the look, the machine will know that

1:44:37SPEAKERI'm in class, so I shouldn't have the notifications going and it's probably

1:44:42SPEAKERfine. The fitness stuff, the vitals thing seems to be good. Yes. That's a

1:44:46SPEAKERbig one of, of the things I'm excited about. Like if they do a blood

1:44:49SPEAKERpressure watch, I would be very stoked about that. Those rumors have been

1:44:54SPEAKERgoing for a long time though, and it hasn't shipped yet. And then the

1:44:58SPEAKERhome screen customization on the phone and iPad, I know don't laugh Android

1:45:01SPEAKERpeople, but the ability to do the shading and stuff is compelling. So

1:45:06SPEAKERthat's what I'm excited about. And AirPlay receiver on the Apple vision

1:45:10SPEAKERpro. Oh, he doesn't want that. Of course. I don't, I don't have a Mac,

1:45:14SPEAKERso I don't care about the iPhone screen on your Mac. Anyway, I think

1:45:17SPEAKERthat's as good a place to wrap it up as any. Brad, as always, thanks for,

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