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219: The Mark of Expertise

2024-01-28 · 1:13:37

00:00SPEAKERDo you ever look at your tech stack and you realize

00:03SPEAKERthat something you thought was right

00:05SPEAKERwas horribly, horribly wrong?

00:07SPEAKERYou've been using it like that for years and years and years

00:10SPEAKERand it just shakes your core foundational beliefs

00:13SPEAKERin your abilities in the world around you?

00:16SPEAKER- I'm sure that's a common experience that most people have,

00:18SPEAKERbut no, everything I do is sublime

00:21SPEAKERand entirely beyond reproach.

00:23SPEAKER- So you're saying that the things that are mounted up

00:26SPEAKERunder your desk are all perfectly aligned

00:27SPEAKERwith the edges of the desk and like there's no disorder

00:32SPEAKERthat would skew the underpinnings of your beliefs

00:35SPEAKERin everything?

00:36SPEAKER- Mother.

00:40SPEAKERAlmost like we talked about this before we recorded.

00:44SPEAKERI did something this week that I have been meaning to do

00:46SPEAKERfor like a year.

00:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:48SPEAKER- Which was mounting my audio interface under my desk.

00:50SPEAKER- Ooh, that's a good, see, I haven't done that

00:53SPEAKER'cause I'm afraid of the crisscrossing cables

00:55SPEAKERwith the XLRs and the audio of the analog alignment.

00:57SPEAKER- Ooh, analog interference.

00:59SPEAKER- Yeah, well, because of the motor,

01:00SPEAKER'cause I have the up and down desk

01:02SPEAKERand the motor is right where I would wanna put it.

01:04SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't even think about that, that's tricky.

01:07SPEAKER- Yeah, if I put it someplace else,

01:08SPEAKERit would have to crisscross a whole bunch of power

01:10SPEAKERand go along the length of where the motor,

01:12SPEAKERand I have not done it because of that.

01:14SPEAKERBut you don't have that problem.

01:14SPEAKER- No, I don't.

01:15SPEAKER- So it's pretty straightforward for you, right?

01:16SPEAKER- I do have a pretty straightforward situation here, yes.

01:20SPEAKERI bought some, so I have a MOTO M4, we both have MOTOs.

01:23SPEAKER- Yeah, but the exact same thing.

01:24SPEAKERI bought the M4 because it was $50 cheaper,

01:27SPEAKERmore expensive than the M2 and it was available

01:29SPEAKERin the pandemic when I needed a new audio interface.

01:31SPEAKER- Exactly why I also got the M4 and not the M2,

01:34SPEAKER'cause the M2 was definitely all I needed.

01:35SPEAKERBut I bought some 3D printed mounts for it.

01:39SPEAKER- Ooh, like specifically for the M4?

01:42SPEAKER- Yes, 18 months ago, I think.

01:44SPEAKER- Oh, they've been aging.

01:46SPEAKER- They're pretty nice, they're made to mount under a thing.

01:50SPEAKERThey have screw holes in them.

01:51SPEAKERIt's just a flat surface with screw holes

01:52SPEAKERand then two little, they just clip around the edges

01:55SPEAKERand they can go down.

01:56SPEAKERThey even have little 3D printed latches,

01:57SPEAKERlike the little release, it slides in there.

02:00SPEAKER- So does it slide forward and back?

02:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it slides in and snaps in.

02:02SPEAKERThey're pretty nice. - Oh, that's nice.

02:03SPEAKER- Although one of them showed up warped in the mail

02:06SPEAKERand I emailed the eBay person and they said,

02:07SPEAKER"Oh, they melt in shipping?"

02:10SPEAKER- I mean, if your plastic's, if the shipping is 300 degrees,

02:14SPEAKERyeah, they could warp.

02:16SPEAKERIt's also a sign of a bad print sometimes.

02:18SPEAKERI don't wanna judge anybody.

02:19SPEAKER- It very much seemed like a bad print to me.

02:21SPEAKERThey did not look melted at all.

02:22SPEAKER- Did they send you a new one?

02:24SPEAKER- So they sent me a whole new set.

02:25SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

02:26SPEAKER- The other set was exactly reversed.

02:28SPEAKERThe other one was bad in the exact same way.

02:31SPEAKERSo anyway, whatever I had.

02:32SPEAKER- So you got one good one on each side.

02:34SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly.

02:35SPEAKER- Life finds a way.

02:36SPEAKER- Yes, and then it took me well over a year

02:39SPEAKERto actually stick it up under there.

02:41SPEAKERAnyway.

02:42SPEAKER- I have a bag on my,

02:45SPEAKERI have a storage pile over here off camera to the left.

02:48SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.

02:48SPEAKER- I have a bag over there that has a similar mount.

02:51SPEAKERI just bought one from Amazon that was like,

02:52SPEAKERhey, you can do this.

02:53SPEAKERAnd then I started looking at where the,

02:54SPEAKERlike I looked at where the cables would go

02:56SPEAKERand where I wanted it to be able to access the knobs.

02:58SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't think I can do this on this desk.

03:00SPEAKER- That's exactly why I had never done it actually,

03:03SPEAKERis because there were downsides to putting it down there,

03:05SPEAKERsuch as you can't see the levels on the screen

03:07SPEAKERunless I lean under the desk,

03:08SPEAKERwhich is then hard to talk into a microphone.

03:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:11SPEAKER- Anyway, but whatever, I'm trying it.

03:13SPEAKERI was all excited to finally get it done.

03:14SPEAKERI had a little extra time this week.

03:16SPEAKER- Did you screw it in?

03:17SPEAKER- No, I used some 3M dual lock.

03:20SPEAKER- Oh, that stuff is, once that's on,

03:21SPEAKERyou're never gonna get that off.

03:23SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

03:24SPEAKER- How'd it go?

03:27SPEAKER- It's crooked.

03:28SPEAKER- Did it shake your foundations to the core?

03:31SPEAKER- It's so crooked, what was I doing?

03:33SPEAKER- Oh no, how'd you get it crooked?

03:35SPEAKER- I stuck it on looking at it front on.

03:37SPEAKER- Oh, you gotta be laying on your back underneath.

03:40SPEAKER- That's exactly it.

03:41SPEAKERI was in a hurry.

03:42SPEAKERI did some solo streaming yesterday for the first time

03:44SPEAKERand I think literally years.

03:46SPEAKER- Ooh, what'd you play?

03:47SPEAKER- I played some of that new Last of Us Roguelike mode

03:49SPEAKERin Overturn.

03:51SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds fun.

03:51SPEAKER- Which is pretty fun and really hard.

03:53SPEAKERIt was fun.

03:54SPEAKERI miss solo streaming.

03:55SPEAKERI'm happy to have done some

03:56SPEAKERand I hope to do more in the future.

03:58SPEAKERIt's kind of fun.

03:59SPEAKER- I've been playing Alan Wake 2,

04:01SPEAKERhaving never played an Alan Wake game before.

04:03SPEAKERAnd it's the only way I would be able to play a game

04:06SPEAKERthat scary.

04:09SPEAKERI need people in the room with me.

04:11SPEAKERBut it's fun.

04:12SPEAKERIt's nice to have a shared experience to play in a game.

04:14SPEAKER- Yes, there's something, there's a dialogue

04:18SPEAKERbetween streamer and chat, let's say,

04:20SPEAKERwhen you're by yourself.

04:21SPEAKERBut anyway, I was in a hurry

04:22SPEAKER'cause I was doing a bunch of setup.

04:24SPEAKERI also like, I set up the NVIDIA machine learning

04:28SPEAKERbackground removal that's now built into OBS,

04:30SPEAKERwhich is awesome.

04:30SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

04:31SPEAKERHow does that work?

04:32SPEAKER- Oh, have you used it?

04:33SPEAKERYou don't have to run NVIDIA broadcast,

04:35SPEAKERthat separate app anymore too,

04:36SPEAKERand then like make it a camera source or whatever.

04:39SPEAKERIt's just built right into OBS now.

04:40SPEAKERYou do have to install the NVIDIA,

04:42SPEAKERI forget what they call it.

04:43SPEAKERIt's like some runtime.

04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they have a runtime that does that.

04:45SPEAKERIt works with OBS.

04:46SPEAKERIt works with the Elgato camera app.

04:47SPEAKERIf you have an Elgato camera

04:49SPEAKERwhere there's a bunch of other,

04:50SPEAKERlike you can inject it in many places along the train.

04:53SPEAKERHow did it work?

04:54SPEAKER- Quite well.

04:55SPEAKERNot perfect.

04:56SPEAKERI mean, you definitely see some shimmer around my head

04:58SPEAKERand especially my glasses when you turn your head.

05:01SPEAKERIt's obviously, it's not gonna key out

05:03SPEAKERthe whatever's refracting through your glasses

05:06SPEAKERfrom the background.

05:07SPEAKERSo that looks a little weird,

05:08SPEAKERbut like for how small you are typically if you're doing,

05:11SPEAKERand also that's, wow, I was really surprised

05:13SPEAKERwhen I cut to the game shot.

05:14SPEAKERPeople were like, people were very happy.

05:16SPEAKERThat's what I was doing.

05:17SPEAKERLike the full screen game with just person cut out

05:20SPEAKERwith background removed down in the corner

05:22SPEAKERseems like a thing that people,

05:23SPEAKERthat seems like what a lot of people want on Twitch now.

05:26SPEAKER- I would describe that as the current trend.

05:28SPEAKER- Yes, I was shocked to see people actually say like,

05:31SPEAKERoh, thank you for doing this setup.

05:33SPEAKERAnyway.

05:33SPEAKER- It's funny since I started streaming on Twitch in 2017

05:37SPEAKERwith PUBG and we've now gone through two full loops

05:41SPEAKERof your picture should be in a frame with a background

05:44SPEAKERthat looks cool, to you should green screen yourself out,

05:47SPEAKERto you should be in a frame,

05:48SPEAKERto you should green screen yourself out again, so.

05:50SPEAKER- Weird, weird hell trends set in.

05:53SPEAKER- Trends are funny.

05:54SPEAKER- Anyway, all that is to say,

05:56SPEAKERI was scrambling doing a bunch of stream setup,

05:58SPEAKERkicking tires and stuff yesterday.

06:01SPEAKERSo I did not lie down on my back

06:03SPEAKERwhen I mounted that Motu and it is tragically crooked.

06:07SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you the best thing about the standing desk

06:10SPEAKERis when I need to work under the desk,

06:11SPEAKEReither on the computer or on the underside of the desk,

06:14SPEAKERI can either lift the desk up high enough

06:17SPEAKERthat I can set up straight without having to like scrunch.

06:19SPEAKER- Oh my God.

06:20SPEAKER- Or I can bring it down low enough

06:22SPEAKERthat I can just lay on my back

06:23SPEAKERand it's just like my hands are right there

06:24SPEAKERand I'm just like working on the bottom of a car.

06:26SPEAKER- That is immediately the best reason

06:28SPEAKERto have a standing desk I have heard.

06:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:30SPEAKER- Even better than the health benefits,

06:31SPEAKERbeing able to get to all the crap behind the desk like that.

06:34SPEAKER- It is pretty easy compared to the more traditional way

06:38SPEAKERof your arms always being really tired

06:40SPEAKERor being very uncomfortable.

06:42SPEAKERI'm sorry your Motu's crooked and I'm also,

06:44SPEAKERyou're gonna have to buy like a putty knife

06:46SPEAKERto scrape that stuff off 'cause that stuff is really sticky.

06:49SPEAKER- The worst part is it's crooked in the wrong direction.

06:51SPEAKERLike if it was crooked toward me,

06:52SPEAKERit would be fine because then I didn't.

06:54SPEAKER- That could be a choice.

06:56SPEAKER- It's crooked facing away from me,

06:57SPEAKERwhich makes it harder to reach the switch on back and stuff.

07:01SPEAKERAnd I used all my dual lock in the process.

07:03SPEAKERShould I, I'm gonna buy more dual lock.

07:05SPEAKERThis cannot stand.

07:06SPEAKER- You should just use nanotape, man.

07:08SPEAKERThat would probably.

07:09SPEAKER- It's not a smooth surface.

07:11SPEAKERIt's very kind of rough.

07:13SPEAKERThis is a crappy desk.

07:14SPEAKER- I'm sorry, Brad, I'm sorry for your loss.

07:16SPEAKER- Yes, thank you.

07:17SPEAKERYou know what?

07:18SPEAKERIf I end up with another six to eight feet

07:19SPEAKERof dual lock sitting around in the house

07:21SPEAKERas a consequence of this, it's probably a net gain.

07:25SPEAKER(upbeat music)

07:39SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

07:53SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.

07:56SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

07:57SPEAKER- Brad, I don't use dual lock for that.

07:58SPEAKERI just use sticky foam tape,

08:00SPEAKERdouble-sided foam tape for under desks sticking.

08:03SPEAKER- That would probably work too.

08:04SPEAKER- It works most of the time.

08:05SPEAKERSometimes it doesn't.

08:06SPEAKERThere's a couple of things that haven't stuck

08:07SPEAKERparticularly well to it.

08:08SPEAKER- Yeah, my thought was just, you know,

08:10SPEAKERjust in case I ever need to pull it off,

08:12SPEAKERI should probably be able to pull it off

08:14SPEAKER'cause dual lock for people,

08:15SPEAKERwe've talked about it before,

08:16SPEAKERbut if you don't remember,

08:17SPEAKERit's kind of the same concept as Velcro,

08:19SPEAKERexcept it's like hard plastic.

08:21SPEAKERActually, I looked at the Amazon listing.

08:23SPEAKERYou're leaning back in a pensive manner.

08:25SPEAKER- Oh, okay, I thought dual lock was that 3M stuff

08:29SPEAKERthat's like the gray, it's like a gray goo almost

08:33SPEAKERthat has a red tape on one side and you peel it off

08:35SPEAKERand when you stick it on, it becomes fused

08:37SPEAKERwith whatever you're sticking it on to forever and ever.

08:39SPEAKER- Oh no, no, no, they even describe it

08:41SPEAKERon the Amazon listing as it's like a mushroom shape.

08:43SPEAKERLike, okay, you know how Velcro is a hook and loop?

08:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:48SPEAKER- So this is like mushrooms on both sides.

08:49SPEAKERThey're both, they're just-

08:50SPEAKER- There's penetration is what you're saying.

08:52SPEAKER- Sure, it's just these little mushroom looking plastic

08:56SPEAKERthings that stick up and they're very rigid

08:58SPEAKERand they just like kind of lock together

09:01SPEAKERwhen you smush them together.

09:02SPEAKER- It's more resistant to like the force pulling it apart

09:04SPEAKERthan Velcro is, right?

09:05SPEAKER'Cause Velcro, you kind of pulls apart pretty easily,

09:07SPEAKERbut if you're shearing, it's harder.

09:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you're suspending something

09:11SPEAKERthat I've, you know, this interface plus mount is,

09:14SPEAKERI don't know, three, four pounds maybe?

09:16SPEAKERLike if something relatively heavy than dual lock

09:18SPEAKERis better than Velcro, but it is something

09:20SPEAKERI can just pull right off.

09:22SPEAKER- But you think that Mote 2 M4 weighs four, nah.

09:24SPEAKER- I might be, I might be pushing it.

09:26SPEAKER- It's like 10 ounces probably.

09:28SPEAKER- Wait, really?

09:29SPEAKERIt's at least a couple of pounds, right?

09:31SPEAKER- It's made of metal.

09:32SPEAKER- Yeah, plus the mount, like I said though,

09:34SPEAKERthis has to suspend the clips as well.

09:36SPEAKERBut dual lock's good.

09:39SPEAKERIf it's something you're mounting

09:40SPEAKERwhere you would also want to be able to pull the device off

09:42SPEAKERand like potentially use it somewhere else temporarily

09:45SPEAKERand stick it back on, this is,

09:46SPEAKERthat's been the best thing I've found.

09:48SPEAKER- Can I ask a stupid question since it's dual lock?

09:50SPEAKER- Sure.

09:51SPEAKER- Why don't you just pull it off

09:52SPEAKERand rotate it the right number of degrees

09:54SPEAKERand then jam it back up on the dual lock that's still there?

09:56SPEAKER- I considered it.

09:58SPEAKER- Okay.

09:59SPEAKER- Then I'm not going to have maximum suspending force

10:01SPEAKERor what's the, what is the physics?

10:03SPEAKERWhat's the engineering term for the force

10:05SPEAKERthat is suspending the sink in the air?

10:07SPEAKER- Anti-gravity?

10:08SPEAKER- I might, I'll probably just-

10:10SPEAKER- I think you're probably okay.

10:11SPEAKER- I'll probably try that first.

10:12SPEAKERIt'll, actually, you know, I've never, that's, you know,

10:15SPEAKERthat might actually be an interesting dual lock test

10:17SPEAKER'cause I've never tried sticking it on crooked before

10:19SPEAKERwhere the two sides are not perfectly aligned.

10:22SPEAKERSo I wonder-

10:22SPEAKER- I don't think the lines are,

10:23SPEAKERlike there's no orientation on that stuff.

10:26SPEAKER- That might be fine.

10:26SPEAKERI'm still, I still need to buy more dual lock though.

10:28SPEAKER'Cause you know what?

10:29SPEAKERIt's just nice to have around.

10:30SPEAKER- It's a useful thing to have.

10:32SPEAKERBrad, we've reached the last episode of the month,

10:34SPEAKERwhich as you are aware, I believe,

10:36SPEAKERmeans that we are firmly into the question zone

10:40SPEAKERwhere we turn Qs into As.

10:43SPEAKER- The question zone.

10:44SPEAKER- Welcome to the question zone.

10:45SPEAKERI'm Will.

10:47SPEAKERBut no, every month we take questions from the audience

10:49SPEAKERthat you can send them into our email address,

10:51SPEAKERwhich is techpod@content.town.

10:54SPEAKEROr alternately, if you're in the Discord,

10:56SPEAKERif you're a TechPod Patreon,

10:58SPEAKERa patron and they're a part of our Patreon,

11:00SPEAKERyou can go to the question seeking answers channel

11:02SPEAKERon the Discord.

11:03SPEAKERPost the questions there, just fire them into the ether.

11:05SPEAKERThey disappear.

11:07SPEAKERAnd then through the magic of channel permissions,

11:09SPEAKERwe will see them and we will be able to answer them

11:13SPEAKERshould we choose to do so.

11:14SPEAKERWe got, we got,

11:15SPEAKERI think this might be our highest ratio of questions

11:19SPEAKERthat we marked that we've ever gotten.

11:22SPEAKER- I'm scrolling through now.

11:23SPEAKERThere's like three or four Discord questions

11:26SPEAKERthat one of us did not flag.

11:28SPEAKERThree. - Yeah.

11:29SPEAKER- The quality of questions is good job community.

11:32SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty high.

11:33SPEAKERI don't know that we're gonna get through all of them,

11:35SPEAKERbut we can try.

11:36SPEAKER- Yes, definitely. - I think we should start

11:38SPEAKERright about now.

11:38SPEAKEROh, by the way, if you wanna join the Patreon,

11:40SPEAKERyou wanna get in the Discord,

11:42SPEAKERhang out with the beautiful people there,

11:43SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.

11:44SPEAKERI usually do this at the end,

11:46SPEAKERbut I've noticed that successful podcasts

11:48SPEAKERoften also do it at the beginning.

11:50SPEAKERSo, you know, there you go.

11:52SPEAKER- Call to action.

11:53SPEAKER- Yeah. - There you have it.

11:55SPEAKERWith all that said, I'm tempted to start with this question

11:57SPEAKERthat neither of us did flag 'cause it's so mind-bending.

12:00SPEAKER- Go for it.

12:01SPEAKER- I was awake between the hours of two and six last night,

12:05SPEAKERso I'm not all there right now.

12:07SPEAKER- Oh, that's not good.

12:08SPEAKER- Let's see if either of us can answer.

12:11SPEAKERThis is from Grant.

12:13SPEAKERIt's a meta question about question asking.

12:15SPEAKER- Yeah, nothing people love more than a meta question.

12:18SPEAKER- How can I ask a question here now

12:20SPEAKERif I'm only allowed to post questions I have in the future?

12:23SPEAKERWhat happens if I ask a question that I then forget about

12:25SPEAKERand it's no longer a question I have when the future arrives?

12:27SPEAKERDoes it just cease to exist?

12:30SPEAKER- So, I think this is a reference to the note

12:33SPEAKERin the Discord channel.

12:35SPEAKER- Okay.

12:36SPEAKER- I mean, I think questions are always questions,

12:39SPEAKERwhether they're future questions or past questions.

12:41SPEAKERIt's impossible to quantify and specify a time

12:46SPEAKERfor a question.

12:47SPEAKER- If a question falls in the woods

12:49SPEAKERand no one is there to hear it, does it have an answer?

12:51SPEAKER- That's kind of where I was going, but like, I mean,

12:57SPEAKERyou're allowed to post questions whenever you want.

12:59SPEAKER- That's true.

13:00SPEAKER- But questions for now or for the future is up to us,

13:02SPEAKERnot you.

13:03SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

13:03SPEAKER- Also, I guess what I'm saying is

13:05SPEAKERthe probability waveform collapses

13:07SPEAKERthe moment we open that channel.

13:08SPEAKER- That's right.

13:09SPEAKER- Up until then, it's in an indeterminate state

13:11SPEAKERwhere it's either answered nor not answered.

13:13SPEAKER- Okay, perfect.

13:14SPEAKERI was really hoping this would go in a quantum direction

13:16SPEAKERand you have succeeded.

13:18SPEAKER- Yeah, only now.

13:19SPEAKERWe've closed the loop.

13:20SPEAKERIt's been answered, I think successfully,

13:22SPEAKERand we can move on to the next question.

13:24SPEAKER- That's right, that's right.

13:26SPEAKERMan, I wish I could find this again.

13:28SPEAKERI read an explanation of quantum superposition

13:31SPEAKERa couple of years ago about quantum,

13:34SPEAKERlike, you know, the dead cat thing, you know, the, you know.

13:38SPEAKER- Schrodinger's cat, it's a famous thought experiment,

13:40SPEAKERnot a real experiment except for in some universities.

13:43SPEAKER- Right, thing is in all possible states

13:45SPEAKERuntil it's observed.

13:47SPEAKER- Well, it's not all possible states.

13:48SPEAKERThe states are dead or not dead,

13:50SPEAKERand it's based on whether a cesium atom decays, I think.

13:53SPEAKERI can't remember.

13:54SPEAKER- I mean, when we're talking about a cat dead and not dead

13:56SPEAKERare the two possible states, right, to be fair.

13:58SPEAKER- I mean, I would argue that cats have a rich inner life,

14:01SPEAKERbut whatever.

14:02SPEAKER- Okay, fine.

14:02SPEAKERAnyway, the description I read was not,

14:05SPEAKERthe thing being observed is not affected by the observation.

14:08SPEAKERThe thing doing the observing is then entangled

14:10SPEAKERwith the wave function.

14:11SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

14:12SPEAKER- That's the problem with quantum mechanics and science

14:15SPEAKERis that the act of observing,

14:18SPEAKERlike there's basically one of the core ideas,

14:21SPEAKERas I understand it, as a person who took this stuff

14:23SPEAKER20, 30 years ago in college and hasn't kept up,

14:26SPEAKERis that once you observe something,

14:27SPEAKERyou are inextricably connected to it.

14:29SPEAKERThere's no such thing as an outside observer.

14:31SPEAKERI mean, look, here's the thing, though.

14:33SPEAKERThen this is important to remember about quantum mechanics.

14:35SPEAKERI love quantum mechanics.

14:36SPEAKERIt's fun to talk about.

14:37SPEAKERThe thing to remember is that in the 1800s,

14:40SPEAKERwe thought that maggots spontaneously arose

14:44SPEAKERfrom rotting meat and the idea that something that flies

14:48SPEAKERcould come and lay eggs on meat

14:54SPEAKERand turn to the maggots and the maggots would become flies

14:56SPEAKERwas a ludicrous proposition, right?

14:59SPEAKERSo it's entirely possible that in 100 years,

15:01SPEAKERwe're gonna look back at this quantum superposition stuff

15:05SPEAKERas an absolute load of hooey,

15:08SPEAKERand the middle school kids will be laughing

15:10SPEAKERat all the silly 20th century people

15:13SPEAKERwho were murdering cats with cesium atoms.

15:15SPEAKER- Yes, except those middle school kids

15:17SPEAKERwill have become higher dimensional beings

15:19SPEAKERcapable of traversing time as a physical dimension.

15:22SPEAKER- Yeah, super intelligent shades of the color blue.

15:24SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.

15:26SPEAKERAll right, okay, this is a great question from Omoshi Yoshi.

15:31SPEAKERWhat keyboard shortcut would you like to be able to use

15:33SPEAKERin real life?

15:33SPEAKERI would really love to be able

15:35SPEAKERto control F my car keys sometimes.

15:36SPEAKER- Paste.

15:37SPEAKER- Paste.

15:38SPEAKER- I'd like to just make copies of stuff.

15:40SPEAKER- Just control V.

15:41SPEAKEROh, in that sense, you mean endless, like multiple cop, oh.

15:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:45SPEAKER- So I could just control C,

15:47SPEAKERcontrol V a $100 bill, for example.

15:49SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, you want a cheeseburger?

15:51SPEAKER- Sure, wait a minute.

15:52SPEAKERYou've basically even invented a replicator here.

15:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, solve world hunger, all sorts of problems.

15:57SPEAKERYou control paste, you can copy paste stuff, everything.

16:00SPEAKERAll of our problems are solved.

16:02SPEAKER- That's, you know, that's a pretty good one, actually,

16:04SPEAKERnow that you mentioned it.

16:05SPEAKERMy first thought was window key V for the clipboard history,

16:09SPEAKERto be able to recall a big list of pieces of information

16:12SPEAKERthat I have forgotten, but are still there.

16:14SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

16:16SPEAKER- On command would be pretty helpful.

16:19SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

16:20SPEAKER- We'll see.

16:22SPEAKER- Windows P is good.

16:23SPEAKERJust turn off, turn off the, you know, turn off the world.

16:26SPEAKER- Okay, yes, that would be nice on occasion.

16:28SPEAKER- I would go to my secondary monitor.

16:29SPEAKERThat's the fun monitor.

16:31SPEAKER- Oh, gosh, what else is good?

16:34SPEAKERLike the, I don't know, the emoji.

16:35SPEAKERCould we like adapt the emoji picker

16:38SPEAKERto be like a language picker?

16:39SPEAKERCould I like say, hey, that's probably a stretch.

16:42SPEAKER- I think that's too far.

16:43SPEAKERWhat about task manager?

16:44SPEAKERCould you just, could you just turn off stuff you didn't want?

16:46SPEAKERCould you control all the scape and bust open,

16:49SPEAKERjust kill some processes?

16:50SPEAKERLike you're like, hey, there's 10 people in line

16:51SPEAKERin front of me in target.

16:52SPEAKERBoom, problem solved.

16:54SPEAKER- Like task manager for your body maybe?

16:56SPEAKERYou can see like how well your heart and how like,

16:58SPEAKERwhat's the load on your heart?

16:58SPEAKER- Oh, no, no, I want it for the world around me.

17:00SPEAKERI don't wanna, my body is perfect.

17:02SPEAKERIt's a temple, Brad.

17:03SPEAKER- How well are your lungs functioning?

17:07SPEAKEROkay, should we move on?

17:09SPEAKER- I think, I think, I think, I think we've,

17:13SPEAKERI think we've, maybe alt and enter, maximize, minimize.

17:15SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.

17:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

17:17SPEAKER- It's not terrible.

17:19SPEAKERMultiple desktops.

17:20SPEAKER- Okay, we're really stretching the metaphor here.

17:23SPEAKER- Oh man, we need to make that mind palace bigger.

17:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:27SPEAKEROkay, Shags Magoo, does it throw you guys off when,

17:30SPEAKERdoes it throw you guys off any when people change

17:33SPEAKERtheir profile pictures after having a previous one

17:35SPEAKERfor a long time?

17:35SPEAKERYes, like it kills me, kills me.

17:39SPEAKER- You might as well be a different person at that point

17:41SPEAKER'cause I'm really, I recognize a profile picture.

17:43SPEAKERI'm like, oh yeah, okay.

17:44SPEAKERAnd then I look and the profile pictures change

17:46SPEAKERand I'm like, oh, hey, somebody new is here

17:47SPEAKERand posting all the time.

17:48SPEAKERThat's weird.

17:49SPEAKERWait, no, this is somebody who's been here for two years.

17:51SPEAKER- Yes, if you're a prolific chatter on the Discord

17:53SPEAKERand you change your profile picture,

17:55SPEAKERjust know that you are taking a little piece

17:57SPEAKERof my heart with you.

17:59SPEAKER- I mean, it's just that you're basically

18:00SPEAKERre-anonymizing yourself and starting over again.

18:02SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, you'll build that memory back up,

18:05SPEAKERbut sure, throws me for a loop, absolutely.

18:12SPEAKERYou marked this moon landing when I was,

18:15SPEAKERI was debating this one, let's read it.

18:17SPEAKERFrom Jusso, Jusso, I'm not sure how to say your name.

18:20SPEAKER- I would say that's Jusso.

18:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I thought.

18:23SPEAKERHow hard is it to land on the moon?

18:26SPEAKERSurely this is a solved problem

18:27SPEAKERsince we've been sending stuff there for 60 years.

18:30SPEAKERCan I just crowdfund $100 million, build a lunar lander,

18:33SPEAKERsend a rover there and then do Twitch plays lunar mission?

18:37SPEAKERFirst of all, first of all, I don't think,

18:38SPEAKERI don't think you're getting there for $100 million.

18:40SPEAKER- Well, India did, but also somebody rightly pointed out

18:43SPEAKERthat the price of labor, like the price of the support staff

18:47SPEAKERand the engineering and the thousands of people

18:49SPEAKERthat build a rocket that goes to the moon

18:51SPEAKERis lower in India than it is here, right?

18:55SPEAKER- So actually, let me, sorry, let me jump in.

18:57SPEAKERI've been a little unplugged from the news

18:58SPEAKERfor the last couple of weeks.

18:59SPEAKERDid something happen with the Indian lunar mission?

19:02SPEAKER- Yeah, they made it, they did it, mission accomplished.

19:03SPEAKER- Oh, okay. - Yeah.

19:05SPEAKERJapan just landed, kind of had a hard soft landing

19:09SPEAKERfor 120 mil.

19:10SPEAKER- Okay, what do you mean by hard soft?

19:13SPEAKER- So they landed, the theory I think is that

19:16SPEAKERone of the engines fell off in the landing process,

19:22SPEAKERso it landed soft, but it tipped over immediately afterwards.

19:25SPEAKER- I see, okay, it must be the Japanese mission

19:27SPEAKERI was thinking of when I asked if something happened,

19:29SPEAKER'cause I thought I remembered seeing a headline go by

19:31SPEAKERthat something slightly precarious happened

19:33SPEAKERwith a lunar landing.

19:35SPEAKER- So the probe is working, but it's not upright,

19:39SPEAKERthe solar panels aren't charging

19:40SPEAKER'cause they're aimed at the ground or something.

19:42SPEAKER- Not ideal.

19:43SPEAKER- There was a private mission that was,

19:44SPEAKERI think $160 million that they didn't make it to orbit

19:47SPEAKERbecause they had a leak.

19:49SPEAKERI mean, they didn't make it to the moon

19:50SPEAKERbecause they had a leak and it's gonna burn up

19:51SPEAKERin the Earth's atmosphere and not even making it

19:53SPEAKERas far as the moon's orbit.

19:55SPEAKERSo yeah, I mean, I think, could you do it

19:59SPEAKERfor a hundred million dollars?

20:00SPEAKERI mean, one person couldn't,

20:02SPEAKERbut you could spend a hundred million dollars

20:03SPEAKERand hire a whole bunch of smart people

20:05SPEAKERand probably make that happen.

20:06SPEAKERI don't think it's as easy as Kerbal is the DLDR, sadly.

20:10SPEAKER- Yeah, also, I mean, I'm just assuming things like that

20:13SPEAKERare always inherently going to be somewhat difficult, right?

20:16SPEAKERLike it's a highly precision task that,

20:21SPEAKERit's not like there's air currents or something that are,

20:23SPEAKERthere's not gonna be that much variability.

20:25SPEAKERLike the gravity is like broadly understood.

20:28SPEAKERProbably not gonna be that many different.

20:30SPEAKERWell, I don't know, maybe if it was done enough times

20:33SPEAKERit could become routine where it would be kind of

20:35SPEAKERa guaranteed chance of success.

20:36SPEAKER- If you read, but the question is now, right?

20:39SPEAKERAnd now the answer is no, like until recently

20:41SPEAKERwe hadn't landed on the moon in 40 years.

20:43SPEAKER- Right.

20:45SPEAKER- As a species, not as Americans.

20:50SPEAKERIf you read the books about this, like probes,

20:53SPEAKERlike people who make, the work that JPL does in the US

20:57SPEAKERand other institutions do around the world,

21:02SPEAKERlike the thing that you realize is that this is,

21:05SPEAKERthis is maybe the most, there's an idea

21:10SPEAKERthat the more you learn about stuff,

21:11SPEAKERthe more you appreciate the complexity of it

21:15SPEAKERand that what seems like it's pretty straightforward

21:17SPEAKERfrom the outside immediately becomes fractally complex,

21:19SPEAKERright, and it happens when you look at somebody,

21:21SPEAKERgoing into game design from something else

21:23SPEAKERor going and learning how to launch a media empire, right?

21:28SPEAKERLike it turns out everything's hard

21:30SPEAKERand you don't realize it until you're really in the weeds.

21:33SPEAKERAnd this is maybe the best example of that.

21:35SPEAKER- Oh my God, dude, that idea has such broad applicability

21:38SPEAKERon the internet to people opining about other people's jobs.

21:43SPEAKER- Well, of course.

21:44SPEAKERYeah, I mean, but it's universal.

21:46SPEAKEREverything looks easy

21:46SPEAKERwhen you're just watching the output, right?

21:48SPEAKER- Like everybody assumes everything is easy

21:50SPEAKERwhen they don't know how the sausage is made.

21:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but like to land on the moon,

21:54SPEAKERa hundred million things have to go right.

21:56SPEAKER- Right.

21:57SPEAKER- And if one of them fails, you might still make it,

22:00SPEAKERbut probably not.

22:01SPEAKERLike the fact that we sent all those people to the moon

22:03SPEAKERand nobody died that we know of, pretty amazing.

22:07SPEAKER- So yeah, no, I don't think you could crowdfund it.

22:12SPEAKERI don't think playing Kerbal is gonna help you

22:14SPEAKERget to the moon for real.

22:15SPEAKER- Yeah, are there international treaties

22:18SPEAKERor any kind of, any standing agreements

22:21SPEAKERthat govern people landing on the moon?

22:24SPEAKER- Well, so yeah, there's all sorts of treaties,

22:26SPEAKERbut if you break a treaty on the moon,

22:28SPEAKERwhat are you gonna do?

22:29SPEAKERWhat are they gonna do to you?

22:30SPEAKER- The effects would be felt on earth, I would presume.

22:33SPEAKER- I mean, maybe there's like the private mission

22:35SPEAKERhad human remains that were gonna be disposed of

22:37SPEAKERon the moon that--

22:40SPEAKER- I don't love that.

22:41SPEAKER- People were pretty profoundly upset about.

22:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I extremely don't love that.

22:45SPEAKER- Yeah, like there's not, so the answer I think

22:49SPEAKERis that there's not enough regulation on some stuff.

22:51SPEAKERThere's fine regulation on other stuff

22:54SPEAKERthat's mostly unenforceable.

22:55SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

22:56SPEAKER- This is, just to be clear, this is what from,

23:01SPEAKERwhat's the Apple for all mankind, the Apple show is about?

23:05SPEAKERThey get into this a lot.

23:06SPEAKERThey spend a lot of time talking about treaty stuff.

23:08SPEAKERIt's worth watching, it's really good.

23:09SPEAKER- I've got to watch, that show sounds like

23:11SPEAKERit's right up my alley and I'd probably be the recommended.

23:15SPEAKER- If only we had a podcast where we talked

23:16SPEAKERabout that kind of stuff and could really

23:18SPEAKERwatch the first season and then talk about it.

23:20SPEAKER- Wait, is this an idea for me?

23:21SPEAKER- If only.

23:22SPEAKER- Huh, huh.

23:24SPEAKER- If only, Brad.

23:26SPEAKER- I don't know, that show might have to get in line

23:28SPEAKERbehind Halt and Catch Fire because that still

23:30SPEAKERis the one for me.

23:33SPEAKER- Yeah, but Halt and Catch Fire isn't readily available

23:35SPEAKERright now and that is, anyway, we can talk about this later.

23:37SPEAKERThis is offline.

23:38SPEAKER- Yes, that's what's been, yeah.

23:40SPEAKER- We should offline this conversation, Brad.

23:41SPEAKER- All right, fine, fine.

23:45SPEAKERLet's see here.

23:47SPEAKER- You just preemptively marked a question and answer

23:49SPEAKERthat has not been answered.

23:50SPEAKERThis is an unprecedented change in policy.

23:55SPEAKER- Well, so, okay, well, we are going to read this one.

23:58SPEAKERThere's like a block of questions

23:59SPEAKERabout your electric vehicle.

24:01SPEAKER- People had a lot of electric vehicle questions this month.

24:03SPEAKERI don't know what's going on.

24:05SPEAKER- We should probably just do all of them here.

24:08SPEAKER- Welcome to the EV block.

24:11SPEAKER- This one's from another Dave,

24:12SPEAKERalthough I think we should just read this

24:14SPEAKERand then read one of the others

24:15SPEAKER'cause they get a little more specific

24:16SPEAKERand this one's pretty broad.

24:17SPEAKERHow has the Bolt EV been treating Will?

24:19SPEAKERAre you able to charge at home?

24:21SPEAKERWhat percent EVs do you estimate there are on the road

24:24SPEAKERin your part of California?

24:25SPEAKERActually, go ahead and answer that one.

24:27SPEAKER- So, I don't know what the percentage is, it's high.

24:31SPEAKERI don't know if it's high because you notice them

24:33SPEAKERwhen you start driving EVs

24:34SPEAKERor just because they look different than normal cars.

24:36SPEAKERWe see a lot of Teslas, a lot of Hyundai's,

24:40SPEAKERa lot of Kia's, a lot of Bolt's, like a ton of Bolt's.

24:44SPEAKERFewer Leafs and that kind of era of electrics now,

24:48SPEAKERbut I would think at most 10% would be high, maybe 20.

24:57SPEAKERI charge at home.

24:58SPEAKERI didn't ever put an L2 charger in

25:00SPEAKER'cause I need to replace the electrical service to the house

25:02SPEAKERto have enough circuits to do that.

25:05SPEAKERWith the small battery and the Bolt, it's not necessary.

25:08SPEAKERIt's like a 58 or 60 kilowatt hour battery, I think.

25:11SPEAKERAnd it turns out more than enough,

25:13SPEAKERlike that'll charge on the 120 volt, no problem.

25:16SPEAKERWe've put about 25,000 miles on it in the last three years.

25:20SPEAKERThe lease is up in April.

25:21SPEAKERAnd I kind of just want to buy this car

25:25SPEAKER'cause it's been treated well and it's in good shape.

25:28SPEAKERIt's probably not the right choice

25:29SPEAKER'cause they're selling for a little bit cheaper

25:31SPEAKERthan the buyout price on the lease.

25:34SPEAKERAnd I don't know how I would handle it

25:36SPEAKERif I couldn't charge at home.

25:38SPEAKERThe slow trickle charge at home

25:40SPEAKERhas two benefits in California.

25:41SPEAKEROne is that we reduce our electrical rate

25:45SPEAKERfrom midnight to 3 p.m.

25:47SPEAKERThe other is that it really,

25:51SPEAKERif you have a F-150 Lightning, you need an L2 charger.

25:54SPEAKERIf you have a car with a relatively small battery,

25:56SPEAKERthis car's relatively light for an EV,

25:59SPEAKERyou're fine on the 120 volt,

26:02SPEAKERassuming you're not driving like 90 miles a day.

26:04SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, this is an aside.

26:06SPEAKERDo you have any idea how well the Lightning is selling?

26:09SPEAKERI was under the impression they had taken off and exploded,

26:12SPEAKERbut then someone I know who is, let's say, a bit anti-EV

26:17SPEAKERwas railing about how it was a giant failure recently.

26:20SPEAKERAnd I didn't actually look up

26:21SPEAKERto see if that was propaganda or true.

26:25SPEAKER- So the initial, my understanding is

26:28SPEAKERit sold like crazy for a while,

26:30SPEAKERand then it slowed down as the price,

26:32SPEAKERone of the things that you'll find

26:33SPEAKERif you're shopping for an EV is that the price,

26:36SPEAKERthe prices change dramatically

26:37SPEAKERbased on the current gas prices.

26:39SPEAKERRight now, people are interested in California

26:41SPEAKER'cause gas is always above $5 a gallon right now.

26:45SPEAKERAnd they make, the more expensive gas gets,

26:49SPEAKERthe more sense an EV makes, basically.

26:51SPEAKERSo I think, my sister was telling me

26:54SPEAKERgas is 220 a gallon where she is or something.

26:57SPEAKERSo your need for an EV is a little bit lower.

27:00SPEAKERI think the Lightning, as somebody

27:06SPEAKERwho's driven an EV for a while

27:07SPEAKERand is looking for the second one now,

27:09SPEAKERthe Lightning has some problems

27:11SPEAKERthat are first-gen issues that they'll work out.

27:14SPEAKEROne is that it charges slow,

27:16SPEAKERespecially considering how big its battery is.

27:18SPEAKERIt charges, it has a 150 kilowatt charge rate,

27:22SPEAKERmax, and it has an enormous battery.

27:25SPEAKERSo you're looking at long,

27:26SPEAKERlike if you're on a long drive

27:28SPEAKERand you have to stop and charge,

27:29SPEAKERyou're gonna have long charge times.

27:31SPEAKERIf you need a truck for towing,

27:33SPEAKERthey're not, the EVs are not great for that

27:35SPEAKERjust because you're gonna cut your 300 or 400-mile battery

27:39SPEAKERto a 100-mile battery when you tow a big,

27:41SPEAKERheavy load with that truck.

27:44SPEAKERAnd so, if you're looking to replace your truck,

27:47SPEAKERlike if you're a person who buys a truck

27:49SPEAKERbecause you're a big, strong man

27:51SPEAKERand needs to drive a pickup truck,

27:55SPEAKERand you could use a sedan for everything

27:56SPEAKERthat you drive that pickup truck for,

27:58SPEAKERLightning's great for you.

27:59SPEAKERIf you're towing big loads,

28:02SPEAKERor if you actually have to put stuff in the bed

28:04SPEAKERto haul it around, maybe not a good car, turns out.

28:09SPEAKER- Okay, all right.

28:11SPEAKERLet's move on to these next questions.

28:12SPEAKERHere's one from Xander.

28:15SPEAKERI'm debating getting a car for the first time

28:17SPEAKERin several years, specifically leasing an EV.

28:19SPEAKERI live in an apartment in San Francisco at the moment

28:22SPEAKERwithout garage access.

28:23SPEAKERI do live just above the street

28:24SPEAKERand have been debating about joining the new trend

28:27SPEAKERof just tossing a cord out the window over the deck

28:30SPEAKERand down to the car to charge it from wall power.

28:33SPEAKERHow awful will this be?

28:35SPEAKERAdditional fun question.

28:37SPEAKERThe circuit this would be on also

28:39SPEAKERis the circuit my 3D printers are on.

28:41SPEAKERCan I charge my car in 3D print at the same time?

28:43SPEAKERThat is a 21st century question.

28:45SPEAKER- Yeah, this is maybe the most Xander question ever also.

28:49SPEAKERSo, the 3D printers, depending on the kind of 3D printer

28:53SPEAKERyou run, usually run between 50 and 300 watts.

28:57SPEAKERThey're not a huge draw.

29:01SPEAKERYou should be able to run them at the same time,

29:02SPEAKERespecially if you're charging on the slow rate.

29:05SPEAKERI would be, honestly, I would be more worried

29:07SPEAKERabout somebody stealing the charger than anything

29:10SPEAKERbecause the chargers typically are at least $200 or $300,

29:14SPEAKERthe 120 volt ones, if you have to replace them.

29:17SPEAKERAnd that would be, I think that would be my primary concern

29:20SPEAKERin San Francisco is if somebody would just yank it

29:22SPEAKERout of the wall and run 'cause they don't,

29:25SPEAKERdepending on the car, they may or may not lock in place.

29:28SPEAKERLike the Chevrolets, the one that they ship

29:30SPEAKERwith the Chevrolet, and I don't think the bolt,

29:33SPEAKERI don't think the bolt connector locks.

29:34SPEAKERI think Tesla's lock in place, they're standard,

29:38SPEAKERbut I think most of them, you have to,

29:40SPEAKERare just a button that you press.

29:41SPEAKERSo, it's an easy snatch and grab for 500 bucks.

29:44SPEAKER- Are the, I mean, you may have just kind of implicitly

29:48SPEAKERanswered this question.

29:48SPEAKERAre the chargers typically corded

29:50SPEAKERor like with a cord built in,

29:51SPEAKERor are they just like a dongle with an electrical port

29:54SPEAKERor outlet that you plug a standalone cord into?

29:57SPEAKER- So, the level one, so there's three types

30:00SPEAKERof chargers for EVs right now, right?

30:01SPEAKERThere's level ones which are 120 volt plug into a normal,

30:04SPEAKERyou know, US three prong, you know,

30:06SPEAKERtwo flats and a round wall plug.

30:09SPEAKERAnd they usually operate between eight and 12 amps.

30:15SPEAKERThe level two chargers run on a 220 volt plug,

30:18SPEAKERlike a dryer oven plug, range plug, electric range plug.

30:23SPEAKERAnd they'll charge significantly faster

30:25SPEAKERthan the 120 volt, eight amp ones, obviously.

30:30SPEAKERThose are usually mounted, although often

30:33SPEAKERwhen you have them installed, if you're moving

30:35SPEAKERyour inner apartment or something like that,

30:37SPEAKERyou'll have a 220 volt plug put in.

30:39SPEAKERSometimes you hardwire those into the wall.

30:41SPEAKERMore often these days, I think people are using

30:43SPEAKERthe 220 volt plug option so that they can take

30:46SPEAKERthe $1,000 charger with them when they move.

30:50SPEAKERSometimes if you, like for example,

30:51SPEAKERif you get the power company to put part of that build

30:53SPEAKERand they'll require it to be wired in, which makes sense,

30:55SPEAKER'cause they wanna increase infrastructure.

30:59SPEAKERThe third option, level three chargers,

31:01SPEAKERare the ones that use like on the side of the freeway

31:03SPEAKERwhen you're driving between San Francisco and LA

31:05SPEAKERor something that are 480 volts and are higher speed

31:09SPEAKERup to 350 or 400 watt chargers.

31:14SPEAKERSo, yeah, to answer your question,

31:17SPEAKERthe plugs that come with the car,

31:19SPEAKERlike the cars usually come with 120 volt level one charger.

31:22SPEAKERSometimes it's a hybrid, like Chevrolet now ships

31:25SPEAKERlevel one, level two hybrid chargers that you can,

31:27SPEAKERyou have a different pigtail for the 120 volt version

31:30SPEAKERand the 240 volt version, but it's the same box.

31:32SPEAKERThere's always a little box that handles the communication

31:35SPEAKERwith the car and knows when to turn it on.

31:38SPEAKERThe interesting thing is some chargers

31:41SPEAKERwill talk to the power grid.

31:42SPEAKERSome level two chargers will talk to the power grid

31:44SPEAKERand be like, okay, I'm allowed to charge these times

31:46SPEAKERand not these times 'cause the rate's high.

31:48SPEAKERSome of that, some cars require that to be built

31:50SPEAKERinto the car and don't work on the charger side.

31:53SPEAKERSo, it's like, depending on the car,

31:55SPEAKERdepending on the charger you have.

31:57SPEAKER- It's a lot to know, it's a use.

32:00SPEAKER- I mean, it's as big a change as when we went from,

32:03SPEAKERyou know, horses and carriages and what you had to know

32:05SPEAKERabout keeping a horse alive and working a carriage

32:07SPEAKERas moving to a horseless carriage, you know.

32:10SPEAKERIt's a complete change in the way the technology works.

32:14SPEAKER- Sure.

32:15SPEAKEROkay, last car question here from David.

32:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:19SPEAKER- Have you played around with any internet connected

32:22SPEAKERhardware devices available to connect to your OBD2 port

32:26SPEAKERfor your Chevy Bolt for remote monitoring?

32:27SPEAKEROr do you primarily just use GM's OnStar services

32:30SPEAKERfor your car?

32:31SPEAKERI recently bought a used 2017 Bolt and have found the

32:34SPEAKERsoftware and connectivity of the car to be less than ideal.

32:38SPEAKERUnfortunately, I don't get the free years of access

32:40SPEAKERto their OnStar services having bought the car used.

32:43SPEAKERI don't want to pay the high subscription cost for OnStar

32:46SPEAKERto gain these services.

32:48SPEAKERI've recently been looking into some cellular connected

32:50SPEAKERmonitoring devices that interface with your car's OBD2 port

32:54SPEAKERand was wondering if you've ever looked into these.

32:56SPEAKER- So I have, I've used mostly the Bluetooth ones.

33:00SPEAKERThe OnStar, my understanding was that Bolt's got the OnStar

33:05SPEAKERfor battery monitoring and remote battery indefinitely,

33:08SPEAKERbut that might only be the first owner.

33:10SPEAKERI don't know about that for sure.

33:12SPEAKERI wouldn't probably pay for OnStar.

33:14SPEAKERThe information you get from the, at least on my 2021 Bolt,

33:18SPEAKERis not sufficient for what I would expect

33:21SPEAKERfrom a paid service.

33:21SPEAKERLike you get battery level and you get, I think,

33:23SPEAKERtire status and a couple other things.

33:25SPEAKERYou can remote start the car, but it doesn't give you,

33:29SPEAKERit doesn't give you battery stat, current battery status

33:31SPEAKERlike when you're driving, when you actually really want it.

33:34SPEAKERSo I bought an ODB2, OBD, not old dirty bastard, OBD2 port,

33:41SPEAKERdongle that connects to the phone via Bluetooth

33:44SPEAKERand lets you talk to like a better route planner

33:46SPEAKERand stuff like that.

33:47SPEAKERSo the route, the routing app can get live battery data,

33:51SPEAKERwhich turns out to give you really,

33:53SPEAKERreally accurate range estimates

33:55SPEAKERwhen you're doing a long road trip.

33:56SPEAKERIt doesn't matter if you're doing like a one charge trip,

33:58SPEAKERif you're doing a three charge trip, you want,

34:00SPEAKERit turns out to be helpful, saves time.

34:03SPEAKER- David linked to a couple of the ones

34:05SPEAKERthat he must be looking at, OpenVehicles.com

34:07SPEAKERand the other one is Autopie.io.

34:10SPEAKER- Yeah, so both of those are neat.

34:12SPEAKERThere's some security concerns with running OBD2 devices

34:17SPEAKERon most cars 'cause typically the Bluetooth lockdown

34:20SPEAKERisn't exactly as good as you want.

34:22SPEAKERAnd like it's, depending on where you are,

34:25SPEAKERit's a, there's potential for somebody to like connect

34:28SPEAKERto your car via Bluetooth and unlock the car

34:30SPEAKERfrom the outside when they don't have a previous

34:32SPEAKERrelationship with your car.

34:35SPEAKERI generally unplug the OBD2 port things

34:38SPEAKERwhen I'm not driving for a long time.

34:40SPEAKERAutopie is different, it's a more of a,

34:44SPEAKERlike you basically plug a Pi into your OBD2 port.

34:47SPEAKER- That's what I was waiting to say.

34:48SPEAKERIt is literally Raspberry Pi based.

34:50SPEAKERCan I just read this paragraph?

34:51SPEAKER- Yeah, read it, yeah.

34:52SPEAKER- On Autopie.io for developers.

34:55SPEAKERDeveloper first vehicle telematics platform

34:57SPEAKERbuilt on Raspberry Pi, boots and open source OS

35:00SPEAKERand open API, run local Docker images natively.

35:04SPEAKERDo a full stream of your CAN bus built in support

35:06SPEAKERfor UDS J1939 and do IP, whatever those are.

35:11SPEAKERBut running Docker images on a device connected

35:14SPEAKERto your car is also extremely 2024.

35:17SPEAKER- Well, so it's really like the data you get out of it,

35:20SPEAKERit gives you basically, it's basically at that point

35:22SPEAKERit becomes a Fitbit for your car, right?

35:24SPEAKERYou get driver's logs, you get real-time tracking,

35:28SPEAKERyou get the ability to see what the battery state is

35:30SPEAKERfrom anywhere, whether you're connected to it or not.

35:33SPEAKERThere is a monthly charge.

35:34SPEAKERI mean, depending on what modem you decide to use,

35:36SPEAKERthere's a monthly connection rate,

35:38SPEAKER'cause you do have to hook it up

35:39SPEAKERto your cellular network somehow.

35:41SPEAKERBut because it's relatively low data,

35:43SPEAKERyou can use one of the cheaper options

35:44SPEAKERrather than like just charging, adding 10 bucks

35:46SPEAKERand another phone number to your data plan.

35:49SPEAKER- Right.

35:50SPEAKER- So it's interesting.

35:53SPEAKERI think it's probably like if you like noodling with stuff,

35:57SPEAKERit's great.

35:59SPEAKERIf you are looking for something for normal people to use,

36:05SPEAKERit's probably early for that stuff

36:06SPEAKERwould be my read on that.

36:08SPEAKERAlthough like the Mini, which is plug and play

36:10SPEAKERand is pretty straightforward,

36:12SPEAKERseems like maybe it's a good choice.

36:14SPEAKERI don't know what the cellular data status on that is.

36:19SPEAKER- That's cool.

36:20SPEAKER- I also don't like buying cars

36:21SPEAKERthat have services attached to them.

36:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I can definitely see that.

36:25SPEAKER- It feels gross.

36:26SPEAKER- Is that not all of them now though?

36:27SPEAKER- They all have services, but some are worse than others.

36:30SPEAKERLike Chevrolet wants to paywall a bunch of stuff

36:35SPEAKERthat comes with carplay in their future cars,

36:38SPEAKERwhich they've already gotten blowback on

36:39SPEAKERand maybe rolling back on, I don't know.

36:42SPEAKERIt's like everything as a service is not great.

36:47SPEAKER- I agree.

36:48SPEAKER- Cars as a service feels bad.

36:49SPEAKER- I agree, wholeheartedly.

36:52SPEAKERAll right, here's an interesting question

36:56SPEAKERthat I wish I had a better answer for from One Sweet Chuck.

37:00SPEAKERListening to the episode about input devices,

37:01SPEAKERwhy did games settle on WASD movement as standard

37:06SPEAKERinstead of ESDF where your hand

37:07SPEAKERwould normally be for touch typing?

37:10SPEAKERFor first person shooters when I'm always moving,

37:12SPEAKERit's not a big deal, but even after gaming for 20 plus years

37:15SPEAKERon games where my hand moves around the keyboard,

37:18SPEAKERfinding my way back to WASD is very hit and miss.

37:21SPEAKERMy hand wants to go to the home row,

37:24SPEAKERespecially because the nub on a ton of keyboards

37:26SPEAKERis on the F key.

37:28SPEAKERI don't have the best answer for this to be perfectly honest.

37:32SPEAKER- I looked into this and there's no clear consensus.

37:34SPEAKER- Okay, is it just the case that somebody did it

37:39SPEAKERand then some more people did it and it just happened?

37:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's it actually.

37:45SPEAKERI think that probably my guess would be Doom

37:50SPEAKERor Quake shipped with WASD as the standard.

37:54SPEAKERSo Quake, yeah, so Quake- - I think Quake one

37:58SPEAKERhad still arrow keys at launch.

37:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it was still arrow keys,

38:01SPEAKERbut then people very quickly switched to WASD

38:04SPEAKERso that you didn't have to move your hands

38:05SPEAKERto the left side of the keyboard

38:06SPEAKERwhen you were using the mouse.

38:08SPEAKERAnd, but I don't have any, like I used ESDF for years

38:12SPEAKERand then switched 'cause I got tired

38:14SPEAKERof changing the default settings in every,

38:15SPEAKERlike when, actually I remember when I switched,

38:18SPEAKERit was when first person shooter key bindings

38:21SPEAKERgot complicated beyond just using the number keys

38:24SPEAKERto change guns and you suddenly needed Q and R and E

38:29SPEAKERand H and G for like offhand grenade and reloads

38:32SPEAKERand all that stuff.

38:34SPEAKERAnd that's when I just stopped rebinding everything.

38:37SPEAKER- Yeah, man, I'm actually starting to feel very bummed

38:40SPEAKERabout this as we discuss it.

38:41SPEAKERFirst of all, I was gonna say like on WASD,

38:44SPEAKERmaybe at least your pinky can hit things like control

38:47SPEAKERand shift more easily, but I'm sitting here trying ESDF

38:50SPEAKERand I can still hit shift and control

38:52SPEAKERpretty much just fine from there.

38:55SPEAKERSo that's not a problem.

38:56SPEAKERThe other thing that occurs to me

38:58SPEAKERas I rest my fingers on ESDF is things like hitting R

39:02SPEAKERfor reload or common, like you just said,

39:05SPEAKERtons of keys that G for grenade or whatever,

39:08SPEAKERwhen your hands are already on the home row

39:10SPEAKERwhere they're used to being,

39:11SPEAKERthe muscle memory for those keys is still active,

39:13SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

39:14SPEAKERSo like, I don't have to think about the weird extra stretch

39:17SPEAKERto hit R or not like maybe not quite hitting R

39:19SPEAKERor hitting T accidentally instead, you know what I mean?

39:21SPEAKERLike hitting the non-movement keys

39:23SPEAKERseems like it would be way easier

39:25SPEAKERif we were sitting on the home row.

39:27SPEAKER- But then you do also lose your PUBG-style lean keys

39:30SPEAKERwould have been our Q and E by default usually, right?

39:33SPEAKERI think part of it is that Quake

39:34SPEAKERdidn't have an action button, right?

39:36SPEAKERSo you just walked up to stuff

39:37SPEAKERand like switches triggered when you got close to them.

39:40SPEAKER- Wait, does it have an action button?

39:42SPEAKER- Quake did not.

39:43SPEAKER- Does it not?

39:44SPEAKER- Quake 2 does.

39:45SPEAKER- I guess you're right.

39:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:48SPEAKERSo, you know, Quake, and there was no reload in Quake either,

39:51SPEAKERso you were just switching guns.

39:52SPEAKER- Hell yeah, there wasn't.

39:53SPEAKER- In Quake, my buttons, like W was the rocket launcher

39:56SPEAKERand R was the lightning gun.

39:59SPEAKERSo I could switch to those instantly

40:01SPEAKERwithout having to scroll weapon up or weapon down

40:05SPEAKERor stretch all the way to like the seven button.

40:08SPEAKERBut yeah, I think that as the controls got more complicated,

40:13SPEAKERit got, the price of changing was higher for me at least.

40:17SPEAKERI do like, I like the idea of having G.

40:20SPEAKERI mean, like I switched to a new keyboard recently.

40:22SPEAKERI'm using the model 100 that I got on Kickstarter ages ago,

40:26SPEAKERwhich has been a real humbling experience.

40:29SPEAKER- We should talk about that in more depth at some point.

40:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I think, I mean,

40:33SPEAKERI think next time we do a potpourri episode,

40:35SPEAKERI can talk about it, but it turns out

40:37SPEAKERwhen you're used to your pinkies

40:38SPEAKERdoing something for 30 years,

40:39SPEAKERand then you switch to doing those same things

40:41SPEAKERwith your thumb, significantly challenging.

40:44SPEAKERI'm getting there though.

40:44SPEAKERIt's been about a week.

40:45SPEAKER- I could see that.

40:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:48SPEAKER- Here's a, let's do another game related question.

40:51SPEAKERMaybe you can put on your game design helmet hat here.

40:55SPEAKERQuestion from Jen.

40:56SPEAKER- Beanie, I think is the technical term

40:58SPEAKERfor the game design hat, yeah.

40:59SPEAKER- We're talking like the one with the propeller.

41:01SPEAKER- Well, I mean, if you're advanced, yeah.

41:03SPEAKER- Okay, it's the mark of expertise, the propeller.

41:09SPEAKER- Propeller and it's got three colors instead of just one.

41:11SPEAKER- Yes, a question from Jen.

41:15SPEAKERWhy do so many games have you quit

41:16SPEAKERto the main screen of the game

41:17SPEAKERand then make you exit to desktop from there?

41:19SPEAKERWhy can't I just quit when I want to exit?

41:21SPEAKER- Isn't that, I believe that that's part of the console.

41:27SPEAKER- The TCR.

41:28SPEAKER- TCR, yeah, because you need to go back to the home screen.

41:31SPEAKERYou need to have a home screen that you go back to

41:33SPEAKERso that you can change users on the consoles,

41:36SPEAKERon the modern consoles.

41:38SPEAKERBecause if you change, normally if you change users

41:41SPEAKERfrom inside, for example, if you're playing on the Switch,

41:44SPEAKERI don't know anything about the Switch TCR,

41:46SPEAKERso that's why I'm using that one.

41:48SPEAKERIf you're playing a game on the Switch, you change users,

41:52SPEAKERand then it's gonna kick you back to that launch screen,

41:57SPEAKERthe press A to start screen,

41:59SPEAKERand that's why you usually have to go,

42:00SPEAKERon PC games, you have to go back to that

42:02SPEAKERbecause that's the fastest way out.

42:03SPEAKERAnd then usually, depending on the developer,

42:05SPEAKERsome of them will put an exit to desktop button in the menus.

42:07SPEAKERMost console game ports don't think

42:10SPEAKERabout how you close the game

42:12SPEAKERbecause the console just does that

42:13SPEAKERwithout you having to worry about it.

42:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:16SPEAKER- All right, that was a highly informed answer.

42:20SPEAKER- It's the kind of thing you think about.

42:23SPEAKERFor example, this was one of my favorite pages

42:25SPEAKERon Giant Bomb back in the day,

42:27SPEAKERwas the games that say press A to start

42:30SPEAKERand you actually have to press A and not start,

42:32SPEAKERor any button or whatever.

42:36SPEAKERIt was a clever name for it.

42:38SPEAKERIt was specific requirements on button, anyway, yeah.

42:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that one collects games

42:45SPEAKERthat say to hit a specific button,

42:47SPEAKERbut actually let you hit anything.

42:48SPEAKER- Maybe that's it, yeah.

42:49SPEAKER- I think it was what it was, something like that.

42:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:52SPEAKER- That was a fun Wiki.

42:53SPEAKER- The Wiki, it turns out I always wanted a Wiki.

42:55SPEAKERIt seemed like it'd be fun.

42:56SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, I bet it would have, anyway.

43:00SPEAKERAll right, I see you highlighting this VR question.

43:03SPEAKERDo you want to?

43:04SPEAKER- Oh no, I wasn't.

43:05SPEAKERI was just idly mousing, but we can do it, yeah.

43:07SPEAKER- Okay, well, here we are.

43:09SPEAKERIt's from input name here.

43:12SPEAKERFor VR, I've heard that a portion of the population

43:14SPEAKERare unable to process the effect

43:15SPEAKERbecause of vision-related conditions.

43:18SPEAKERI have had issues with the 3D rides at theme parks,

43:20SPEAKERand my limited exposure, or experience, rather,

43:22SPEAKERwith VR has always felt off.

43:25SPEAKERHow do I know if it's an issue with my eyes

43:27SPEAKERor just an expected limitation of the hardware?

43:29SPEAKER- So one of the things that became clear

43:33SPEAKERif you did a bunch of VR demos

43:35SPEAKERis that there's a big variance in how people experience 3D,

43:40SPEAKEReither because they have vision problems,

43:43SPEAKERwhether it's just myopia

43:45SPEAKERor different prescriptions in different eyes,

43:47SPEAKERwhether it's because some people do,

43:50SPEAKERrather than have bifocals,

43:51SPEAKERthey'll do one eye that's an up-close eye

43:53SPEAKERand one eye that's a faraway eye,

43:54SPEAKERand they don't even think about it.

43:55SPEAKERIt just kind of happens 'cause brains are weird.

43:58SPEAKERSome people, and this seemed to be gender-specific,

44:02SPEAKERsome people use binocular vision

44:05SPEAKERprimarily to determine depth.

44:06SPEAKERSome people use shading and coloring

44:08SPEAKERand use other cues to determine depth,

44:12SPEAKERand it seems like generally,

44:14SPEAKERthis is a broad generalization,

44:16SPEAKERbut there's science that backs this up.

44:18SPEAKERGenerally, women tend to use non-binocular vision cues,

44:21SPEAKERand men tend to use binocular vision as cues,

44:24SPEAKERwhich is why VR, something like 15% of women

44:28SPEAKERhave a problem, have a hard time with VR,

44:30SPEAKERlike get motion sick to varying degrees almost immediately.

44:37SPEAKERThese are all problems that the industry has to work on,

44:41SPEAKERjust to be clear.

44:45SPEAKERFeeling off is kind of vague,

44:47SPEAKERand it's hard for me to know exactly what you mean.

44:48SPEAKERIf you mean it didn't work for you,

44:50SPEAKERa lot of people have used VR and it doesn't work.

44:53SPEAKERI gave a demo one time to a woman

44:55SPEAKERwho didn't tell me that she was missing,

44:57SPEAKERshe had a glass eye,

45:00SPEAKERand so thus, she didn't have binocular vision,

45:03SPEAKERand also she got vertigo, so she was using tilt brush

45:07SPEAKERand immediately painted herself into a tiny, tiny box

45:10SPEAKERso she couldn't see anything,

45:11SPEAKERand without the outside perception,

45:14SPEAKERher inner ear was often, I had to catch her,

45:16SPEAKERshe literally was gonna beef it.

45:22SPEAKERI guess what I'm trying to say is,

45:23SPEAKERthere's an enormous, incredibly varied spectrum

45:27SPEAKERof human experience when it comes to vision

45:31SPEAKERand proprioception and balance

45:34SPEAKERand all these things that impact VR

45:37SPEAKERin a way that no other video games really do,

45:41SPEAKERand the only way you can find out

45:44SPEAKERif it's gonna work for you

45:45SPEAKERis to spend some time with it, unfortunately.

45:47SPEAKERSo if you're gonna buy a VR headset

45:48SPEAKERand you think you have concerns,

45:51SPEAKERat the same time, I have a lot of friends

45:53SPEAKERwho do VR stuff and quite enjoy it

45:56SPEAKERand have everything from lazy eyes

45:59SPEAKERto are legally blind in one eye,

46:02SPEAKERand you can continue doing it.

46:04SPEAKERIt's just, you lose a lot of the depth cues

46:06SPEAKERand you have to use other stuff instead

46:08SPEAKERthat binocular vision provides.

46:10SPEAKERSo yeah, you're in a world

46:12SPEAKERwith somewhere between 10 and 20% of people probably,

46:15SPEAKERwould be my guess.

46:17SPEAKERIt's not you, it's everyone, it turns out.

46:20SPEAKER- Sure.

46:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:22SPEAKER- It's just the frailty of the human condition.

46:24SPEAKER- Like, brains are weird.

46:26SPEAKERLike, everything is this spectrum,

46:28SPEAKERlike, this is the thing that became clear.

46:31SPEAKERI did, in 2015, 2016, I did a whole bunch of VR demos,

46:35SPEAKERand I have friends who've done similar things.

46:41SPEAKERSeeing people work with VR and see how it impacts them

46:45SPEAKERchanges your perception of,

46:48SPEAKERlike, we do not all, our brains and eyes

46:51SPEAKERand sensoriums do not all work the same,

46:53SPEAKERand that is really, really clear

46:55SPEAKERafter a relatively short number of those demos.

46:57SPEAKER- Sure.

46:59SPEAKERI wonder if you were to do all those demos today,

47:01SPEAKERI wonder if you would notice a significantly lower,

47:05SPEAKERI don't wanna say failure rate,

47:06SPEAKERbut, like, problem rate with different people's perception,

47:08SPEAKERjust given all the advances in headsets

47:11SPEAKERin the last, like, eight years.

47:13SPEAKER- Maybe, but I think that, like, for example,

47:17SPEAKERthe difference in depth perception

47:19SPEAKERwhen you use shadowing and kind of visual cues

47:22SPEAKERversus binocular vision hasn't changed,

47:25SPEAKERbecause, like, self-shadowing 3D characters

47:29SPEAKERstill pretty expensive on most raster pipelines.

47:32SPEAKER- Yeah, like, not a lot of ray-traced VR games yet.

47:34SPEAKER- Yeah, and the VR stuff is almost all raster still,

47:37SPEAKERbecause of performance reasons.

47:38SPEAKERI think the one thing, the motion sickness,

47:41SPEAKERlike, there was a, as the frame rates generally increased,

47:44SPEAKERthe motion sickness issues went way down,

47:47SPEAKERbut, again, that only helps the people

47:49SPEAKERwho are frame rate-sensitive motion sickness,

47:52SPEAKERnot the people who have depth perception issues

47:54SPEAKERand all those other things.

47:55SPEAKERSo, like, the VR folks have done a good job

47:59SPEAKERof carving off different, you know, different slices

48:03SPEAKERof the people that are affected by this stuff,

48:05SPEAKERbut there's still a huge mass of people who just,

48:08SPEAKERlike, hell, I don't wanna name any names,

48:12SPEAKERbut I have a friend who has consistently complained

48:15SPEAKERthat nobody, his head is large,

48:17SPEAKERand nobody, the VR headsets are never big enough

48:21SPEAKERto fit on his head and be comfortable,

48:23SPEAKERand it's not like he has what looks like,

48:24SPEAKERyou know, it's not like he has an enormous head

48:27SPEAKERwalking around on a tiny little body.

48:29SPEAKERHe's just a normal-looking guy who's big,

48:32SPEAKERand, like, the Oculus headsets have never fit him,

48:36SPEAKERbecause they make stuff for the top,

48:37SPEAKERfor the 90th percentile, not the 99th percentile.

48:40SPEAKER- Yes.

48:40SPEAKER- So, yeah, any time you're in the top 10th percentile

48:45SPEAKERof anything, you're gonna have problems.

48:46SPEAKER- I don't know why you just made me think

48:48SPEAKERof how much Dick Tracy villains leaned on

48:52SPEAKERwhat you're talking about.

48:53SPEAKER- Enormous melons? - Yes, or tiny face,

48:56SPEAKERor whatever.

48:57SPEAKER- Yeah, they all look like Charlie Kirk.

48:59SPEAKER- Yes, yes, indeed.

49:03SPEAKERI don't have the best answer,

49:05SPEAKERbut I would still like to address this from meatball here.

49:08SPEAKER- Okay, I like a meatball.

49:10SPEAKER- Maybe you have more experience with this.

49:12SPEAKERMy mother passed away about two years ago,

49:14SPEAKERand I've been intending to tackle scanning

49:16SPEAKERin the two-and-a-half Rubbermaid containers

49:18SPEAKERfull of old family photos and albums

49:20SPEAKERto make digital copies of everything.

49:23SPEAKERI found an app that lets me scan multiple photos at once

49:25SPEAKERcalled ScanSpeeder Pro,

49:28SPEAKERbut it's taking forever to put them all on the scanner

49:30SPEAKERand then add metadata, all the images,

49:32SPEAKERto capture things like who was in the picture,

49:33SPEAKERwhen it was taken, where, et cetera.

49:36SPEAKERHave either of you all dealt with anything like this,

49:38SPEAKERor have any thoughts or ideas

49:40SPEAKERthat might make this whole process any faster or easier?

49:42SPEAKER- So I've done a little bit of this.

49:44SPEAKERHave you delved into this yet, Brad?

49:46SPEAKER- No, but we, I mean, I probably will have to at some point.

49:50SPEAKERWe have got reams and reams of old physical photos of stuff

49:53SPEAKERat home.

49:55SPEAKER- I bought, before I went back east once,

49:57SPEAKERa little flat, a little portable flatbed scanner

50:00SPEAKERthat's like, that's sized for, I think, up to five by sevens,

50:05SPEAKERwhich is what most of the photos I would want to scan are.

50:09SPEAKERYou can just hold it up to a photo in a photo album, even.

50:12SPEAKERLike, you can open up the lid

50:13SPEAKERand just jam it up against there and line it up.

50:15SPEAKER- The tagging and stuff is hard.

50:20SPEAKERSo I didn't do person tagging,

50:24SPEAKERbut I also upload stuff to both Google and iCloud,

50:28SPEAKERand those kind of both handle that,

50:29SPEAKERif you give them the right cues and turn that on.

50:34SPEAKERI didn't, dates are hard.

50:36SPEAKERI generally, the way my family's photo albums are set up,

50:40SPEAKERwe don't often have dates.

50:42SPEAKERSo we have a fall of 1992, but not October 17th, 1992.

50:47SPEAKERAnd we didn't ever pay for,

50:50SPEAKERwe never had cameras that burned in the date on the front

50:53SPEAKERor the back of the photo,

50:54SPEAKERwhich I'm glad it wasn't in the front.

50:55SPEAKERI kind of wish it was on the back, it turns out.

50:58SPEAKERBut I would just scan them and then worry about the tagging.

51:02SPEAKERI wouldn't worry as much about tagging people,

51:04SPEAKER'cause that's a tractable, easy problem

51:05SPEAKERthat you can solve with computers.

51:07SPEAKERThe date stuff is what I would worry about.

51:08SPEAKERI would just batch them into folders

51:10SPEAKERbased on the page of the album they were in or something.

51:13SPEAKER- Yeah, just do your best.

51:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, you can even,

51:16SPEAKERso the thing I did last time was scan a bunch,

51:19SPEAKERand then I would take a picture of the album page

51:22SPEAKERthat had the date at the top of the album page,

51:24SPEAKERand all three photos so that I can go back and do it later

51:26SPEAKERif I am so inclined also.

51:30SPEAKER- I started to say this seems like a place

51:33SPEAKERwhere machine learning might be able to help over time

51:35SPEAKERas stuff like that gets better,

51:36SPEAKERbut I'm sure that's what Apple and Google

51:38SPEAKERare using on their end anyway already.

51:40SPEAKER- Yeah, absolutely.

51:41SPEAKER- But maybe locally, maybe like this app you're talking about

51:43SPEAKERlike you're gonna, maybe more local options

51:45SPEAKERare gonna start building stuff like that in as well.

51:47SPEAKERI mean, that like, we talked about this on "The Full Nerd"

51:50SPEAKERwhen I was on there with Adam and Alex Batalia

51:52SPEAKERa few weeks ago, like this seems like,

51:56SPEAKERI mean, AI obviously like a very hot button issue.

51:58SPEAKERLike this seems like an example

52:00SPEAKERof the good kind of use of AI though.

52:02SPEAKERLike there's like generative AI

52:04SPEAKERobviously is its own like fraud issue,

52:07SPEAKERbut I think of this as more

52:08SPEAKERof like a signal processing AI situation, you know?

52:11SPEAKER- Yeah, this is automating a tedious task

52:15SPEAKERthat I'm not gonna ever pay anybody to do.

52:17SPEAKER- Right, right.

52:20SPEAKERNor could you really, because you can't pay somebody

52:22SPEAKERto know who all your family, like your wide ranging members

52:25SPEAKERof your family from 40 years ago are.

52:28SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

52:29SPEAKERAnd it's worth saying, I think the Apple stuff doesn't run,

52:32SPEAKERit's not even cloud-based.

52:33SPEAKERI think the Apple stuff just runs locally.

52:35SPEAKER- Oh.

52:37SPEAKER- So yeah, I'm generally, like I'm generally a fan

52:41SPEAKERof the face recognition stuff on the photo services.

52:46SPEAKERThey are pretty expensive,

52:47SPEAKERbut also once you get them uploaded and tagged,

52:50SPEAKERyou can always pull the photos back

52:51SPEAKERoff the surface if you want.

52:52SPEAKER- Sure.

52:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:56SPEAKERIt's a big job.

52:57SPEAKERThe thing I will say is you should do it

52:59SPEAKER'cause the photos, A, if you have a flood or fire

53:02SPEAKERor something, some other, first off,

53:04SPEAKERI also, I'm sorry about your loss.

53:06SPEAKER- Yeah, condolences.

53:07SPEAKER- That's awful.

53:08SPEAKERBut yeah, don't wait to scan the photos

53:13SPEAKERuntil you have the perfect setup to scan the photos

53:16SPEAKERbecause you probably never get there and it's better to,

53:19SPEAKERlike once you have them in the machine,

53:20SPEAKERit's easier to fix them than it is

53:23SPEAKERto get them into the machine, I guess.

53:26SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.

53:30SPEAKERGosh, this is just reminding me, we should move on,

53:32SPEAKERbut it's reminding me of the old VHS home movies we have.

53:36SPEAKERThankfully, my parents did have them captured,

53:39SPEAKERgosh, 10 years ago.

53:40SPEAKERI may have talked about this before.

53:42SPEAKERThey sent them off in the mail to some service,

53:44SPEAKERbut looking at the, first of all, they're captured to DVD,

53:47SPEAKERso they're like MPEG-2 encoded.

53:50SPEAKERSo they're not the highest quality,

53:52SPEAKERbut they are at least okay.

53:54SPEAKER- I mean, they exist is the thing.

53:55SPEAKER- Right. - Yeah.

53:57SPEAKER- But I keep thinking about building one of those rigs

54:00SPEAKERthat lets you go straight into the RF taps on a VHS deck

54:05SPEAKERand recapturing them myself in the cleanest possible way,

54:08SPEAKERand I don't know if it's actually worth the effort or not.

54:10SPEAKER- How involved is that, do you know?

54:12SPEAKER- So there's the, is it pronounced Doomsday Duplicator?

54:15SPEAKERIt's spelled like Domesday Duplicator,

54:17SPEAKERbut I believe it's pronounced Doomsday.

54:19SPEAKER- I assumed it was Doomsday.

54:22SPEAKER- That is fairly pricey to set up.

54:26SPEAKERI think you might be able to get like a pre-made one

54:28SPEAKERfor like 250, $300,

54:31SPEAKERbut then you would also need a compatible VCR

54:32SPEAKERthat still works.

54:34SPEAKER- And it's a short list of VCRs, right?

54:37SPEAKER- I got the sense they're actually fairly easy to come by,

54:42SPEAKERbut it sounds like there's also a much cheaper solution,

54:44SPEAKERhardware solution now for doing it that I don't know.

54:47SPEAKERThe main thing that stopped me from getting into that

54:48SPEAKERis just, I don't know if there's a big difference in quality

54:50SPEAKER'cause obviously the point

54:51SPEAKERis to get the best possible quality

54:53SPEAKERfor these priceless home movies.

54:55SPEAKERBut yeah, I think there's another one you can build

54:58SPEAKERfor like less than a hundred bucks.

55:00SPEAKER- So for what it's worth having,

55:02SPEAKERI just took a bunch of VHS home movies

55:05SPEAKERand put them on a private YouTube channel

55:07SPEAKERfor family members.

55:09SPEAKERAnd the quality I got off of my old sharp stereo VHS recorder

55:14SPEAKERinto a modern capture card was pretty good.

55:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I might believe it.

55:21SPEAKER- You got the gist, right?

55:23SPEAKERIt's not like an archival version of the video,

55:26SPEAKERbut it was better than nothing.

55:28SPEAKERAnd actually a lot of the tapes had degraded to the point

55:31SPEAKERthat I don't think we would have been able to get

55:32SPEAKERmuch better off of them even with better gear.

55:34SPEAKER- That's kind of what's stopping me

55:35SPEAKERis these were recorded on a pretty primitive

55:38SPEAKERVHS camcorder to begin with.

55:40SPEAKERSo even at the time, the quality was not great.

55:44SPEAKERBut you know, the point of this thing

55:45SPEAKERis you're bypassing all of the video output hardware

55:47SPEAKERand whatever VSC or VCR you're using.

55:49SPEAKERSo it is the purest signal you can get.

55:51SPEAKERAnyway, that's perhaps a topic for another time.

55:55SPEAKER- That seems like we could do a whole episode on probably.

55:57SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

55:58SPEAKERI should maybe start looking at that again.

56:00SPEAKERThe other thing is the tapes are all back home

56:02SPEAKERand I'm certainly never putting those things

56:04SPEAKERin the mail again.

56:05SPEAKERSo I would have to do it while I'm there.

56:07SPEAKER- But you could set up the machine there

56:09SPEAKERand hook it up to your MacBook.

56:10SPEAKER- Yes, that is definitely true.

56:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:14SPEAKER- Here's an email from Stefan in Denmark.

56:17SPEAKERI have a three and a half year old daughter

56:18SPEAKERand I think she would really enjoy some very basic gaming.

56:21SPEAKERI find the iPad and phone apps

56:22SPEAKERpretty mind numbing and repetitive.

56:24SPEAKERI also think that the bright colors, weird messaging

56:26SPEAKERand distraction to YouTube are also not great.

56:30SPEAKERWill, when did your daughter start her first gaming

56:32SPEAKERand how did you start?

56:33SPEAKERI was thinking of maybe making a little retro console

56:36SPEAKERand maybe starting with some classic old games,

56:38SPEAKERbut it would be great to get your opinion.

56:40SPEAKER- So I tried that.

56:41SPEAKERI tried putting it on like Super Mario Brothers

56:43SPEAKERand it didn't, it was too hard.

56:47SPEAKER- Sure, yes.

56:48SPEAKER- So when they're that age,

56:49SPEAKERit's like some kids will take a challenge

56:51SPEAKERand some kids are not like, are like, well, this is boring

56:54SPEAKERand I suck at it so I'm gonna go do something else.

56:56SPEAKERShe's definitely in the latter category

56:58SPEAKERor at least was then.

57:00SPEAKERWe, so we did, I did a lot of co-op platformer stuff.

57:03SPEAKERSo like we played co-op Spelunky kind of a lot,

57:06SPEAKERwhich seems like a weird choice

57:07SPEAKERwhen I said that Super Mario Brothers was too hard,

57:10SPEAKERbut like it became like a gaming challenge

57:13SPEAKERfor me to help keep her alive

57:15SPEAKERdespite her best efforts to kill herself.

57:18SPEAKERThe other thing I did was Mario Maker.

57:25SPEAKERSo I would load up Mario Maker

57:27SPEAKERand we would take turns making levels for each other.

57:29SPEAKERSo I would make an easy level for her

57:31SPEAKERthat taught her how to jump over holes.

57:33SPEAKERLike if you've ever watched one of those documentaries,

57:35SPEAKERit's like, hey, look at how Super Mario Brothers 1-1

57:38SPEAKERteaches you to play Super Mario Brothers

57:40SPEAKERin the first like four minutes of you playing that game.

57:43SPEAKERI did that, right?

57:44SPEAKERLike I gave her one enemy that she had to jump over or stomp

57:48SPEAKERand then I gave her a wide enough group of enemies

57:50SPEAKERthat she had to stomp somebody.

57:51SPEAKERAnd so like I gradually taught her how to play that game

57:55SPEAKERand I would make levels that would be engaging in fun

57:58SPEAKERwithout being too, too hard.

58:00SPEAKERAnd then she would make nightmares

58:01SPEAKERthat were just hellish spam holes full of a million enemies

58:04SPEAKERand would cackle if I could get to the end of them.

58:11SPEAKERThe big thing is if they're never gonna like stuff

58:14SPEAKERthat you like if you push it on them, right?

58:18SPEAKERSo you have to like pay attention to what they're enjoying

58:22SPEAKERand what they're having fun with.

58:24SPEAKERAnd like I tried to get her to play Breath of the Wild

58:27SPEAKERor Link to the Past at some point.

58:29SPEAKERAnd like she was like, oh, this is cute.

58:33SPEAKERBut kids who grow up playing Minecraft and Roblox

58:36SPEAKERand things where you can build something

58:38SPEAKERand you can share it with your friends

58:39SPEAKERand like have a shared world that you walk around in

58:43SPEAKERare kind of underwhelmed by linear game experiences

58:47SPEAKERuntil they're old enough to appreciate a linear story, right?

58:50SPEAKERUntil they're old enough to like watch a two hour movie

58:52SPEAKERor watch an eight episode TV show and be like,

58:54SPEAKERoh man, I love what happened

58:55SPEAKERto the character development through this.

58:57SPEAKERAnd you have to be respectful and understanding of that.

59:01SPEAKER'Cause if you push them, they're gonna bounce off

59:03SPEAKERand you'll never have the desired outcome.

59:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I talked about this on Nextlander recently.

59:07SPEAKERI had that exact experience and was pretty humbled by it.

59:10SPEAKERI tried to, over the holidays,

59:12SPEAKERI thought my nephews would really be interested

59:15SPEAKERin Spider-Man 2 on the PS5.

59:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:18SPEAKER- They didn't even get past the intro

59:20SPEAKERbefore they were like, this is boring.

59:21SPEAKERWe want to go back to totally reliable delivery service.

59:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:25SPEAKER- Which is just a big open world improvisational,

59:27SPEAKERdumb physics thing.

59:29SPEAKER- But like so many of the games that kids play now

59:32SPEAKERare essentially about playing house or playing dolls

59:34SPEAKERor playing dress up or playing.

59:35SPEAKER- Kind of making up your own, doing what you want.

59:38SPEAKER- Like Toco World, which is one of the cute

59:41SPEAKERover bright iPad games is one of my absolute favorites.

59:43SPEAKERIt's kind of lousy with microtransactions,

59:45SPEAKERbut they aren't exploitative in a way that like,

59:48SPEAKERfor example, Roblox is.

59:50SPEAKERMaybe don't let your kids play Roblox also.

59:53SPEAKERBut Toco World gives people,

59:55SPEAKERit's essentially like digital doll houses

59:57SPEAKERwhere there's a hospital set and there's a school set

1:00:00SPEAKERand kids can role play and stuff like that.

1:00:03SPEAKERI think it's all single player,

1:00:04SPEAKERwhich is kind of the bummer on that side.

1:00:06SPEAKERBut for example, I bought my daughter the Sims

1:00:10SPEAKERand set her up with a couple of expansion packs

1:00:11SPEAKERand she plays some Sims,

1:00:13SPEAKERbut the fact that she can go through

1:00:15SPEAKERand build this big house and do a whole deal

1:00:18SPEAKERand she doesn't have a way to invite her friends into it

1:00:20SPEAKERto share that experience is like a complete deal breaker

1:00:23SPEAKERfor her, right?

1:00:25SPEAKERAt that point, she's not interested

1:00:26SPEAKERin investing the time and energy in it.

1:00:28SPEAKERAnd I get that, it's a different audience.

1:00:33SPEAKERBut yeah, and we do a lot of like,

1:00:36SPEAKERI pick something, she picks something, right?

1:00:38SPEAKERSo we'll play Fortnite one night

1:00:41SPEAKERand then she wants to play rounds

1:00:42SPEAKERor she wants to play something else.

1:00:44SPEAKERLike sometimes it's just about a place to be silly

1:00:46SPEAKERand have fun, which is also nice.

1:00:49SPEAKER- Those are good things to do.

1:00:50SPEAKER- Oh, and I forgot, during the pandemic,

1:00:52SPEAKERwe're doing it again this year 'cause it was great.

1:00:54SPEAKERWe did video game summer camp one year

1:00:56SPEAKERwhere I got, each day I had a different curriculum

1:00:59SPEAKERand like one day I got the Mr. Out

1:01:01SPEAKERand we played old NES and SNES games

1:01:03SPEAKERand we didn't play them for very long.

1:01:04SPEAKERWe played them for like maybe 20 minutes each

1:01:06SPEAKERand if she liked one, then we'd stick with it

1:01:08SPEAKERand play a little bit longer.

1:01:09SPEAKERBut we'd go through like the top five,

1:01:12SPEAKERmy top five or top 10 games from a couple of consoles.

1:01:15SPEAKEROne day was all motion control stuff.

1:01:17SPEAKERSo we did like Wii, I hooked up the Wii

1:01:20SPEAKERand I hooked up the Donkey Kong bongas

1:01:22SPEAKERand I hooked up Samba de Amigo, stuff like that.

1:01:25SPEAKERWe did a rhythm game day with Rock Band

1:01:28SPEAKERwhere we just had Rock Band set up

1:01:30SPEAKERand she played guitar and drums and sang songs

1:01:33SPEAKERand stuff like that.

1:01:35SPEAKERI can't remember the other two.

1:01:37SPEAKERI think we did a GameCube day maybe

1:01:39SPEAKERand then we played Halo the last day.

1:01:43SPEAKERSo when that happened, she was probably six or seven.

1:01:47SPEAKERBut like that gave her something to be excited about

1:01:51SPEAKERthat was not, that was like short enough timeframe

1:01:56SPEAKERthat if she wasn't into something,

1:01:57SPEAKERshe knew that it wasn't too long before the next thing

1:01:59SPEAKERthat she might be interested in.

1:02:00SPEAKERAnd some of it she really loved.

1:02:01SPEAKERShe really loved Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

1:02:03SPEAKERWho doesn't love Donkey Kong Jungle Beat

1:02:05SPEAKERwhen you are wailing on the maracas, the bongos?

1:02:08SPEAKER- Yes. - But yeah, anyway.

1:02:10SPEAKER- That's fun, that's a fun idea.

1:02:11SPEAKEROne last, oh sorry, go ahead.

1:02:13SPEAKERNo, she was too short for Samba de Migo, it turns out.

1:02:15SPEAKER- She'll get there. - Yeah.

1:02:17SPEAKER- One last thing I was gonna add here.

1:02:18SPEAKERIf you really are bent on doing some retro games,

1:02:21SPEAKERone thing that my nephews really liked

1:02:22SPEAKEReven when they were like four or five

1:02:24SPEAKERis like Rampage in particular is the game

1:02:27SPEAKERwe were gonna play, but I was gonna say arcade games,

1:02:28SPEAKERold arcade games in general.

1:02:30SPEAKER- Yeah. - I think the reason

1:02:31SPEAKERfor that is those games are designed to,

1:02:34SPEAKERas long as you keep pumping quarters in,

1:02:35SPEAKERjust let you keep going, you know?

1:02:37SPEAKERLike Dying and Rampage, if you've got more credits

1:02:39SPEAKERon the machine is nothing because you just respawn instantly.

1:02:41SPEAKER- Exactly. - And when you've got

1:02:43SPEAKERthose games in a format where you can just

1:02:45SPEAKERpump fake quarters into it endlessly,

1:02:46SPEAKERlike that kind of, even though those games are hard

1:02:49SPEAKERand designed to kill you constantly,

1:02:51SPEAKERyou know, beat 'em up, same thing.

1:02:52SPEAKERYou know, like anything where you can just hit the button

1:02:54SPEAKERand just come right back, even little kids

1:02:57SPEAKERwhere they're too hard or not gonna care probably.

1:02:59SPEAKER- The other end of that is that modern Nintendo platformers

1:03:04SPEAKERgenerally have like a little kid mode.

1:03:06SPEAKER- Yes. - So like Yoshi,

1:03:08SPEAKERall the Yoshis games, I think Super Mario Wonder has one.

1:03:11SPEAKER- It does, although it's a bummer

1:03:13SPEAKERbecause the easy characters don't get to do

1:03:15SPEAKERall the fun stuff, which is a terrible choice.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Yeah, they, like, I think I would go

1:03:19SPEAKERwith like the most recent Yoshi game,

1:03:21SPEAKERwhich was the Crafted World, I think.

1:03:25SPEAKERIt had a fantastic one 'cause she didn't realize

1:03:27SPEAKERthat she was getting an easy version of the game.

1:03:29SPEAKERJust when she fell down a hole, she would bounce back up.

1:03:32SPEAKERAnd it was great when she was little 'cause she did, like,

1:03:34SPEAKER'cause the thing is the kids don't wanna feel

1:03:36SPEAKERlike you're being, they're playing the easy,

1:03:38SPEAKERlike you're playing the hard one

1:03:39SPEAKERand they're playing the easy one.

1:03:40SPEAKERThey wanna feel like you're doing the same thing

1:03:41SPEAKERand you're doing the shared experience.

1:03:43SPEAKERSo it works really well in that.

1:03:45SPEAKERIt sucks, I didn't realize that the Super Mario one

1:03:48SPEAKERdid that, that sucks.

1:03:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the Yoshis and Nabbit can't use power-ups.

1:03:51SPEAKERThey can't like turn into the elephant and stuff.

1:03:53SPEAKERLike it's like, what are you doing?

1:03:54SPEAKER- Why would you do that?

1:03:56SPEAKERThat's a terrible choice.

1:03:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it really is.

1:03:59SPEAKEROkay, a couple more real quick here.

1:04:02SPEAKERDoug in Boston, "I'm moving next month into a house

1:04:05SPEAKER"with a half-finished basement.

1:04:06SPEAKER"I'm gonna have my PC on the finished half

1:04:08SPEAKER"and a workshop on the unfinished.

1:04:10SPEAKER"What I want is either to be able to use my PC

1:04:14SPEAKER"from both sides or just get a second system set up.

1:04:18SPEAKER"What would you guys suggest?

1:04:19SPEAKER"Long cables, some sort of wireless system, portals?"

1:04:25SPEAKER- It's hard to, like, what do you think he wants

1:04:27SPEAKERto do with the PC?

1:04:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess that is a question.

1:04:30SPEAKERLike what, especially what from the workshop,

1:04:32SPEAKERlike what from the remote end do you need

1:04:33SPEAKERto be able to do there?

1:04:34SPEAKERLike, do you just need like basic keyboard

1:04:36SPEAKERand mouse and monitor or, I guess that handles

1:04:39SPEAKERmost use cases, but.

1:04:41SPEAKER- Yeah, you can do, like there's KVM over ethernet set up

1:04:44SPEAKERso you can run 100 meters, no problem.

1:04:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:04:48SPEAKER- They're probably not great for gaming.

1:04:49SPEAKER- Right.

1:04:51SPEAKERYeah, like I guess if picture quality and latency

1:04:54SPEAKERare a concern, that makes things a little harder.

1:04:56SPEAKERIf you just need to be able to see what's on the screen

1:04:58SPEAKERand interact with it in a basic way,

1:04:59SPEAKERthen yeah, something like a KVM would be fine.

1:05:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but I think, what, HDMI can go up to five meters

1:05:04SPEAKERor something, depending on which version of HDMI it is.

1:05:07SPEAKERMaybe it's three meters.

1:05:08SPEAKER- My, I've got that 30 foot HDMI cable

1:05:11SPEAKERthat I want to say is a one point.

1:05:12SPEAKERIt's definitely pretty 2.0.

1:05:13SPEAKERIt's like 1.2, 1.4 or something like that.

1:05:17SPEAKERI forget what the previous HDMI versions were.

1:05:19SPEAKERThat one would just barely do about 30 feet

1:05:21SPEAKERand it's really heavy gauge cable.

1:05:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:24SPEAKER- Newer, like HDMI 2.1 is very short.

1:05:26SPEAKER- I think your issue with that HDMI at 30 feet

1:05:29SPEAKERis that you're gonna be,

1:05:30SPEAKERyour USB cables won't go that long.

1:05:32SPEAKER- Yeah, unless you get some kind of extender option

1:05:34SPEAKERfor those.

1:05:35SPEAKER- Yeah, or put a powered hub in the middle.

1:05:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess like USB repeaters are fairly reliable

1:05:41SPEAKERand not super expensive, right?

1:05:42SPEAKER'Cause I don't think there are way more expensive options

1:05:45SPEAKERfor turning USB into like, what, optical maybe, or?

1:05:49SPEAKER- Yeah, like data centers have KVMs that are optical, right?

1:05:53SPEAKERYou can spend, easily spend thousands of dollars on this

1:05:58SPEAKERif you want.

1:05:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:59SPEAKER- I mean, the other option is to set up

1:06:01SPEAKERlike a remote network or an RNC terminal on one end

1:06:06SPEAKERand just run ethernet there

1:06:07SPEAKERand remote desktop into the computer.

1:06:09SPEAKERAgain, probably not great for games,

1:06:12SPEAKERbut if you want like to have a USB device

1:06:15SPEAKERthat connects to a, like a CNC router or something

1:06:21SPEAKERin your workshop, then that totally works.

1:06:24SPEAKER- You know, Parsec actually would be pretty good.

1:06:26SPEAKERYou know, Parsec is game ready basically,

1:06:28SPEAKERlike especially on a local network.

1:06:29SPEAKER- That's true.

1:06:30SPEAKERCan you pass USB through Parsec though?

1:06:32SPEAKERCould you plug a game pad into the dumb end?

1:06:35SPEAKER- Yes.

1:06:36SPEAKER- Oh, you can, okay.

1:06:36SPEAKER- Yeah, you can fully interact with the remote end,

1:06:39SPEAKERwith keyboard files and controllers.

1:06:41SPEAKERSo yeah, like if you have whatever, I mean,

1:06:43SPEAKERobviously you're gonna have to have some kind of cheap

1:06:45SPEAKERterminal on the remote end, but you could run Parsec on that

1:06:50SPEAKERand that would probably work well.

1:06:51SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, kind of the other question

1:06:52SPEAKERis if you just want a computer for computering

1:06:55SPEAKERand not for like something heavy,

1:06:57SPEAKERlike games or video editing or whatever,

1:06:59SPEAKERthen honestly, like look at a $100 Beelink

1:07:02SPEAKERor Raspberry Pi or something like that

1:07:04SPEAKERand just set up a cheap dumb terminal, you know,

1:07:07SPEAKERset up a low power, low stakes that you can then, you know,

1:07:11SPEAKERuse Steam remote link or Parsec or whatever

1:07:16SPEAKERto remote into your big computer.

1:07:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:19SPEAKER- I think is maybe the easier,

1:07:21SPEAKERprobably is gonna be less fiddly and less prone to,

1:07:25SPEAKERdepending on, so here's the other thing,

1:07:28SPEAKERis if you're talking about putting a computer

1:07:29SPEAKERon one side of the wall and the monitor and keyboard

1:07:31SPEAKERand mouse on the other side of the wall,

1:07:33SPEAKERjust knock a hole in the wall and run a USB and HDMI cable

1:07:35SPEAKERthrough the wall, 'cause that's no problem.

1:07:37SPEAKER- Yes.

1:07:37SPEAKER- If you're talking about running at 30 feet, 40 feet,

1:07:41SPEAKERthen maybe buy a cheap computer to go on the other end.

1:07:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:46SPEAKERAll right, last question.

1:07:48SPEAKERIt's from Kate Bader.

1:07:49SPEAKER- Oh.

1:07:50SPEAKER- Did you know that the state mine inspector of Arizona

1:07:52SPEAKERis an elected position?

1:07:54SPEAKER- Look, democracy is working clearly.

1:07:56SPEAKER- I guess so.

1:07:58SPEAKER- I am--

1:07:59SPEAKER- I'm finding on a completely unrelated note,

1:08:01SPEAKERI'm happy to announce my candidacy

1:08:04SPEAKERfor the position of Arizona state mine inspector.

1:08:08SPEAKER- Arizona has 600 working mines

1:08:10SPEAKERand an estimated 120,000 abandoned mines.

1:08:14SPEAKER- Show what?

1:08:15SPEAKER- That has a lot of holes in the ground.

1:08:16SPEAKER- Dude, I mean, I guess to be fair,

1:08:19SPEAKERI guess the definition of mine is pretty flexible.

1:08:21SPEAKERLike it could be a very, very small hole

1:08:23SPEAKERand still be counted as a mine, but 120,000,

1:08:26SPEAKERI wouldn't have said there were 120,000 abandoned mines

1:08:29SPEAKERin the country, let alone one state.

1:08:32SPEAKER- The very, very small holes are yours, not mine.

1:08:34SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:36SPEAKERSure.

1:08:37SPEAKER- They have four mine inspectors for 120,000.

1:08:39SPEAKERI'm not, I'm gonna say I don't ever wanna go

1:08:42SPEAKERinto mine in Arizona.

1:08:43SPEAKER- No, or anywhere.

1:08:44SPEAKER- That's my hot take here.

1:08:46SPEAKERReally, I would love to kind of go in a real mine.

1:08:49SPEAKER- I mean, okay, with proper protective gear, sure.

1:08:51SPEAKERI recently listened to the "Behind the Bastards" episodes

1:08:54SPEAKERabout the Hawks Nest mine disaster in West Virginia.

1:08:57SPEAKER- Is that the one where the ground's been burning

1:08:59SPEAKERfor 40 years?

1:08:59SPEAKER- No, no, this was, this is terrible, terrible stuff.

1:09:03SPEAKERLike they got really into the physiological aspect of,

1:09:06SPEAKERI can't remember what the condition is,

1:09:07SPEAKERbut where you inhale a lot of silica dust.

1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:11SPEAKER- And what silica particles do to your lungs

1:09:13SPEAKERis absolutely horrific.

1:09:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, that's kind of what it's called, it's bad.

1:09:19SPEAKER- It is, there's a name for that condition

1:09:21SPEAKERand I can't quite remember it off the top of my head,

1:09:23SPEAKERbut it was an awful, awful exploitative situation

1:09:26SPEAKERwhere a lot of people died because they were more or less

1:09:29SPEAKERpressed into mining in awful unsafe conditions.

1:09:34SPEAKERRegulations did come out of it, at least.

1:09:36SPEAKER- Well, that's something.

1:09:37SPEAKER- But after listening to that, I thought, you know,

1:09:40SPEAKERmaybe I won't visit any mines anytime soon.

1:09:43SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's the kind of thing that like,

1:09:47SPEAKERit's the kind of thing that you do once and you're fine,

1:09:50SPEAKERyou do every day for 40 years and you have a problem, right?

1:09:52SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:09:54SPEAKER- Mines are dangerous, holes in, big holes in the ground.

1:09:56SPEAKER- Pulmonary fibrosis is one of the things

1:09:57SPEAKERthat comes out of that,

1:09:58SPEAKERbut I think it's also silicosis is the other one.

1:10:00SPEAKER- Silicosis, that was the term, yes.

1:10:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:02SPEAKER- But mine's dangerous places, it seems.

1:10:06SPEAKER- Yeah, but also it's cool to go in holes in the ground,

1:10:08SPEAKERit turns out.

1:10:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true, you know.

1:10:11SPEAKER- I always wanted to go to one of those deep mine,

1:10:13SPEAKERlike one of those, like one of the detectors,

1:10:16SPEAKERone of the like the cosmic ray detectors

1:10:18SPEAKERdeep in a mine someplace in an abandoned mine.

1:10:19SPEAKERThat seems like it'd be really cool.

1:10:21SPEAKERAnyway, if you have access to abandoned science equipment

1:10:25SPEAKERin deep holes, let us know.

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1:10:30SPEAKER- We'll be there.

1:10:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we would like to see your holes,

1:10:34SPEAKERthat's what I'm saying right now,

1:10:35SPEAKERI'm gonna get that out there.

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1:10:43SPEAKER- True.

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1:11:31SPEAKERIt was ultimately, I think, fruitless,

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1:11:35SPEAKER- Understandable.

1:11:37SPEAKER- But then also, as I'm learning how to use this Model 100,

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1:11:55SPEAKER- For sure, I was hanging out with a friend recently

1:11:57SPEAKERwho is going down a similar computing rabbit hole

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1:12:01SPEAKERlike getting really interested in Unix and shell scripting

1:12:04SPEAKERand maybe some light programming,

1:12:06SPEAKERbut is also really interested in assembly language

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1:12:15SPEAKER- Did you find out how aligned their under-desk mounts were?

1:12:18SPEAKER- Not yet, that's for later.

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