00:00SPEAKERDo you ever look at your tech stack and you realize
00:03SPEAKERthat something you thought was right
00:05SPEAKERwas horribly, horribly wrong?
00:07SPEAKERYou've been using it like that for years and years and years
00:10SPEAKERand it just shakes your core foundational beliefs
00:13SPEAKERin your abilities in the world around you?
00:16SPEAKER- I'm sure that's a common experience that most people have,
00:18SPEAKERbut no, everything I do is sublime
00:21SPEAKERand entirely beyond reproach.
00:23SPEAKER- So you're saying that the things that are mounted up
00:26SPEAKERunder your desk are all perfectly aligned
00:27SPEAKERwith the edges of the desk and like there's no disorder
00:32SPEAKERthat would skew the underpinnings of your beliefs
00:35SPEAKERin everything?
00:36SPEAKER- Mother.
00:40SPEAKERAlmost like we talked about this before we recorded.
00:44SPEAKERI did something this week that I have been meaning to do
00:46SPEAKERfor like a year.
00:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
00:48SPEAKER- Which was mounting my audio interface under my desk.
00:50SPEAKER- Ooh, that's a good, see, I haven't done that
00:53SPEAKER'cause I'm afraid of the crisscrossing cables
00:55SPEAKERwith the XLRs and the audio of the analog alignment.
00:57SPEAKER- Ooh, analog interference.
00:59SPEAKER- Yeah, well, because of the motor,
01:00SPEAKER'cause I have the up and down desk
01:02SPEAKERand the motor is right where I would wanna put it.
01:04SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't even think about that, that's tricky.
01:07SPEAKER- Yeah, if I put it someplace else,
01:08SPEAKERit would have to crisscross a whole bunch of power
01:10SPEAKERand go along the length of where the motor,
01:12SPEAKERand I have not done it because of that.
01:14SPEAKERBut you don't have that problem.
01:14SPEAKER- No, I don't.
01:15SPEAKER- So it's pretty straightforward for you, right?
01:16SPEAKER- I do have a pretty straightforward situation here, yes.
01:20SPEAKERI bought some, so I have a MOTO M4, we both have MOTOs.
01:23SPEAKER- Yeah, but the exact same thing.
01:24SPEAKERI bought the M4 because it was $50 cheaper,
01:27SPEAKERmore expensive than the M2 and it was available
01:29SPEAKERin the pandemic when I needed a new audio interface.
01:31SPEAKER- Exactly why I also got the M4 and not the M2,
01:34SPEAKER'cause the M2 was definitely all I needed.
01:35SPEAKERBut I bought some 3D printed mounts for it.
01:39SPEAKER- Ooh, like specifically for the M4?
01:42SPEAKER- Yes, 18 months ago, I think.
01:44SPEAKER- Oh, they've been aging.
01:46SPEAKER- They're pretty nice, they're made to mount under a thing.
01:50SPEAKERThey have screw holes in them.
01:51SPEAKERIt's just a flat surface with screw holes
01:52SPEAKERand then two little, they just clip around the edges
01:55SPEAKERand they can go down.
01:56SPEAKERThey even have little 3D printed latches,
01:57SPEAKERlike the little release, it slides in there.
02:00SPEAKER- So does it slide forward and back?
02:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it slides in and snaps in.
02:02SPEAKERThey're pretty nice. - Oh, that's nice.
02:03SPEAKER- Although one of them showed up warped in the mail
02:06SPEAKERand I emailed the eBay person and they said,
02:07SPEAKER"Oh, they melt in shipping?"
02:10SPEAKER- I mean, if your plastic's, if the shipping is 300 degrees,
02:14SPEAKERyeah, they could warp.
02:16SPEAKERIt's also a sign of a bad print sometimes.
02:18SPEAKERI don't wanna judge anybody.
02:19SPEAKER- It very much seemed like a bad print to me.
02:21SPEAKERThey did not look melted at all.
02:22SPEAKER- Did they send you a new one?
02:24SPEAKER- So they sent me a whole new set.
02:25SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
02:26SPEAKER- The other set was exactly reversed.
02:28SPEAKERThe other one was bad in the exact same way.
02:31SPEAKERSo anyway, whatever I had.
02:32SPEAKER- So you got one good one on each side.
02:34SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly.
02:35SPEAKER- Life finds a way.
02:36SPEAKER- Yes, and then it took me well over a year
02:39SPEAKERto actually stick it up under there.
02:41SPEAKERAnyway.
02:42SPEAKER- I have a bag on my,
02:45SPEAKERI have a storage pile over here off camera to the left.
02:48SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.
02:48SPEAKER- I have a bag over there that has a similar mount.
02:51SPEAKERI just bought one from Amazon that was like,
02:52SPEAKERhey, you can do this.
02:53SPEAKERAnd then I started looking at where the,
02:54SPEAKERlike I looked at where the cables would go
02:56SPEAKERand where I wanted it to be able to access the knobs.
02:58SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't think I can do this on this desk.
03:00SPEAKER- That's exactly why I had never done it actually,
03:03SPEAKERis because there were downsides to putting it down there,
03:05SPEAKERsuch as you can't see the levels on the screen
03:07SPEAKERunless I lean under the desk,
03:08SPEAKERwhich is then hard to talk into a microphone.
03:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:11SPEAKER- Anyway, but whatever, I'm trying it.
03:13SPEAKERI was all excited to finally get it done.
03:14SPEAKERI had a little extra time this week.
03:16SPEAKER- Did you screw it in?
03:17SPEAKER- No, I used some 3M dual lock.
03:20SPEAKER- Oh, that stuff is, once that's on,
03:21SPEAKERyou're never gonna get that off.
03:23SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
03:24SPEAKER- How'd it go?
03:27SPEAKER- It's crooked.
03:28SPEAKER- Did it shake your foundations to the core?
03:31SPEAKER- It's so crooked, what was I doing?
03:33SPEAKER- Oh no, how'd you get it crooked?
03:35SPEAKER- I stuck it on looking at it front on.
03:37SPEAKER- Oh, you gotta be laying on your back underneath.
03:40SPEAKER- That's exactly it.
03:41SPEAKERI was in a hurry.
03:42SPEAKERI did some solo streaming yesterday for the first time
03:44SPEAKERand I think literally years.
03:46SPEAKER- Ooh, what'd you play?
03:47SPEAKER- I played some of that new Last of Us Roguelike mode
03:49SPEAKERin Overturn.
03:51SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds fun.
03:51SPEAKER- Which is pretty fun and really hard.
03:53SPEAKERIt was fun.
03:54SPEAKERI miss solo streaming.
03:55SPEAKERI'm happy to have done some
03:56SPEAKERand I hope to do more in the future.
03:58SPEAKERIt's kind of fun.
03:59SPEAKER- I've been playing Alan Wake 2,
04:01SPEAKERhaving never played an Alan Wake game before.
04:03SPEAKERAnd it's the only way I would be able to play a game
04:06SPEAKERthat scary.
04:09SPEAKERI need people in the room with me.
04:11SPEAKERBut it's fun.
04:12SPEAKERIt's nice to have a shared experience to play in a game.
04:14SPEAKER- Yes, there's something, there's a dialogue
04:18SPEAKERbetween streamer and chat, let's say,
04:20SPEAKERwhen you're by yourself.
04:21SPEAKERBut anyway, I was in a hurry
04:22SPEAKER'cause I was doing a bunch of setup.
04:24SPEAKERI also like, I set up the NVIDIA machine learning
04:28SPEAKERbackground removal that's now built into OBS,
04:30SPEAKERwhich is awesome.
04:30SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
04:31SPEAKERHow does that work?
04:32SPEAKER- Oh, have you used it?
04:33SPEAKERYou don't have to run NVIDIA broadcast,
04:35SPEAKERthat separate app anymore too,
04:36SPEAKERand then like make it a camera source or whatever.
04:39SPEAKERIt's just built right into OBS now.
04:40SPEAKERYou do have to install the NVIDIA,
04:42SPEAKERI forget what they call it.
04:43SPEAKERIt's like some runtime.
04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they have a runtime that does that.
04:45SPEAKERIt works with OBS.
04:46SPEAKERIt works with the Elgato camera app.
04:47SPEAKERIf you have an Elgato camera
04:49SPEAKERwhere there's a bunch of other,
04:50SPEAKERlike you can inject it in many places along the train.
04:53SPEAKERHow did it work?
04:54SPEAKER- Quite well.
04:55SPEAKERNot perfect.
04:56SPEAKERI mean, you definitely see some shimmer around my head
04:58SPEAKERand especially my glasses when you turn your head.
05:01SPEAKERIt's obviously, it's not gonna key out
05:03SPEAKERthe whatever's refracting through your glasses
05:06SPEAKERfrom the background.
05:07SPEAKERSo that looks a little weird,
05:08SPEAKERbut like for how small you are typically if you're doing,
05:11SPEAKERand also that's, wow, I was really surprised
05:13SPEAKERwhen I cut to the game shot.
05:14SPEAKERPeople were like, people were very happy.
05:16SPEAKERThat's what I was doing.
05:17SPEAKERLike the full screen game with just person cut out
05:20SPEAKERwith background removed down in the corner
05:22SPEAKERseems like a thing that people,
05:23SPEAKERthat seems like what a lot of people want on Twitch now.
05:26SPEAKER- I would describe that as the current trend.
05:28SPEAKER- Yes, I was shocked to see people actually say like,
05:31SPEAKERoh, thank you for doing this setup.
05:33SPEAKERAnyway.
05:33SPEAKER- It's funny since I started streaming on Twitch in 2017
05:37SPEAKERwith PUBG and we've now gone through two full loops
05:41SPEAKERof your picture should be in a frame with a background
05:44SPEAKERthat looks cool, to you should green screen yourself out,
05:47SPEAKERto you should be in a frame,
05:48SPEAKERto you should green screen yourself out again, so.
05:50SPEAKER- Weird, weird hell trends set in.
05:53SPEAKER- Trends are funny.
05:54SPEAKER- Anyway, all that is to say,
05:56SPEAKERI was scrambling doing a bunch of stream setup,
05:58SPEAKERkicking tires and stuff yesterday.
06:01SPEAKERSo I did not lie down on my back
06:03SPEAKERwhen I mounted that Motu and it is tragically crooked.
06:07SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you the best thing about the standing desk
06:10SPEAKERis when I need to work under the desk,
06:11SPEAKEReither on the computer or on the underside of the desk,
06:14SPEAKERI can either lift the desk up high enough
06:17SPEAKERthat I can set up straight without having to like scrunch.
06:19SPEAKER- Oh my God.
06:20SPEAKER- Or I can bring it down low enough
06:22SPEAKERthat I can just lay on my back
06:23SPEAKERand it's just like my hands are right there
06:24SPEAKERand I'm just like working on the bottom of a car.
06:26SPEAKER- That is immediately the best reason
06:28SPEAKERto have a standing desk I have heard.
06:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:30SPEAKER- Even better than the health benefits,
06:31SPEAKERbeing able to get to all the crap behind the desk like that.
06:34SPEAKER- It is pretty easy compared to the more traditional way
06:38SPEAKERof your arms always being really tired
06:40SPEAKERor being very uncomfortable.
06:42SPEAKERI'm sorry your Motu's crooked and I'm also,
06:44SPEAKERyou're gonna have to buy like a putty knife
06:46SPEAKERto scrape that stuff off 'cause that stuff is really sticky.
06:49SPEAKER- The worst part is it's crooked in the wrong direction.
06:51SPEAKERLike if it was crooked toward me,
06:52SPEAKERit would be fine because then I didn't.
06:54SPEAKER- That could be a choice.
06:56SPEAKER- It's crooked facing away from me,
06:57SPEAKERwhich makes it harder to reach the switch on back and stuff.
07:01SPEAKERAnd I used all my dual lock in the process.
07:03SPEAKERShould I, I'm gonna buy more dual lock.
07:05SPEAKERThis cannot stand.
07:06SPEAKER- You should just use nanotape, man.
07:08SPEAKERThat would probably.
07:09SPEAKER- It's not a smooth surface.
07:11SPEAKERIt's very kind of rough.
07:13SPEAKERThis is a crappy desk.
07:14SPEAKER- I'm sorry, Brad, I'm sorry for your loss.
07:16SPEAKER- Yes, thank you.
07:17SPEAKERYou know what?
07:18SPEAKERIf I end up with another six to eight feet
07:19SPEAKERof dual lock sitting around in the house
07:21SPEAKERas a consequence of this, it's probably a net gain.
07:25SPEAKER(upbeat music)
07:39SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)
07:53SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.
07:56SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
07:57SPEAKER- Brad, I don't use dual lock for that.
07:58SPEAKERI just use sticky foam tape,
08:00SPEAKERdouble-sided foam tape for under desks sticking.
08:03SPEAKER- That would probably work too.
08:04SPEAKER- It works most of the time.
08:05SPEAKERSometimes it doesn't.
08:06SPEAKERThere's a couple of things that haven't stuck
08:07SPEAKERparticularly well to it.
08:08SPEAKER- Yeah, my thought was just, you know,
08:10SPEAKERjust in case I ever need to pull it off,
08:12SPEAKERI should probably be able to pull it off
08:14SPEAKER'cause dual lock for people,
08:15SPEAKERwe've talked about it before,
08:16SPEAKERbut if you don't remember,
08:17SPEAKERit's kind of the same concept as Velcro,
08:19SPEAKERexcept it's like hard plastic.
08:21SPEAKERActually, I looked at the Amazon listing.
08:23SPEAKERYou're leaning back in a pensive manner.
08:25SPEAKER- Oh, okay, I thought dual lock was that 3M stuff
08:29SPEAKERthat's like the gray, it's like a gray goo almost
08:33SPEAKERthat has a red tape on one side and you peel it off
08:35SPEAKERand when you stick it on, it becomes fused
08:37SPEAKERwith whatever you're sticking it on to forever and ever.
08:39SPEAKER- Oh no, no, no, they even describe it
08:41SPEAKERon the Amazon listing as it's like a mushroom shape.
08:43SPEAKERLike, okay, you know how Velcro is a hook and loop?
08:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
08:48SPEAKER- So this is like mushrooms on both sides.
08:49SPEAKERThey're both, they're just-
08:50SPEAKER- There's penetration is what you're saying.
08:52SPEAKER- Sure, it's just these little mushroom looking plastic
08:56SPEAKERthings that stick up and they're very rigid
08:58SPEAKERand they just like kind of lock together
09:01SPEAKERwhen you smush them together.
09:02SPEAKER- It's more resistant to like the force pulling it apart
09:04SPEAKERthan Velcro is, right?
09:05SPEAKER'Cause Velcro, you kind of pulls apart pretty easily,
09:07SPEAKERbut if you're shearing, it's harder.
09:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you're suspending something
09:11SPEAKERthat I've, you know, this interface plus mount is,
09:14SPEAKERI don't know, three, four pounds maybe?
09:16SPEAKERLike if something relatively heavy than dual lock
09:18SPEAKERis better than Velcro, but it is something
09:20SPEAKERI can just pull right off.
09:22SPEAKER- But you think that Mote 2 M4 weighs four, nah.
09:24SPEAKER- I might be, I might be pushing it.
09:26SPEAKER- It's like 10 ounces probably.
09:28SPEAKER- Wait, really?
09:29SPEAKERIt's at least a couple of pounds, right?
09:31SPEAKER- It's made of metal.
09:32SPEAKER- Yeah, plus the mount, like I said though,
09:34SPEAKERthis has to suspend the clips as well.
09:36SPEAKERBut dual lock's good.
09:39SPEAKERIf it's something you're mounting
09:40SPEAKERwhere you would also want to be able to pull the device off
09:42SPEAKERand like potentially use it somewhere else temporarily
09:45SPEAKERand stick it back on, this is,
09:46SPEAKERthat's been the best thing I've found.
09:48SPEAKER- Can I ask a stupid question since it's dual lock?
09:50SPEAKER- Sure.
09:51SPEAKER- Why don't you just pull it off
09:52SPEAKERand rotate it the right number of degrees
09:54SPEAKERand then jam it back up on the dual lock that's still there?
09:56SPEAKER- I considered it.
09:58SPEAKER- Okay.
09:59SPEAKER- Then I'm not going to have maximum suspending force
10:01SPEAKERor what's the, what is the physics?
10:03SPEAKERWhat's the engineering term for the force
10:05SPEAKERthat is suspending the sink in the air?
10:07SPEAKER- Anti-gravity?
10:08SPEAKER- I might, I'll probably just-
10:10SPEAKER- I think you're probably okay.
10:11SPEAKER- I'll probably try that first.
10:12SPEAKERIt'll, actually, you know, I've never, that's, you know,
10:15SPEAKERthat might actually be an interesting dual lock test
10:17SPEAKER'cause I've never tried sticking it on crooked before
10:19SPEAKERwhere the two sides are not perfectly aligned.
10:22SPEAKERSo I wonder-
10:22SPEAKER- I don't think the lines are,
10:23SPEAKERlike there's no orientation on that stuff.
10:26SPEAKER- That might be fine.
10:26SPEAKERI'm still, I still need to buy more dual lock though.
10:28SPEAKER'Cause you know what?
10:29SPEAKERIt's just nice to have around.
10:30SPEAKER- It's a useful thing to have.
10:32SPEAKERBrad, we've reached the last episode of the month,
10:34SPEAKERwhich as you are aware, I believe,
10:36SPEAKERmeans that we are firmly into the question zone
10:40SPEAKERwhere we turn Qs into As.
10:43SPEAKER- The question zone.
10:44SPEAKER- Welcome to the question zone.
10:45SPEAKERI'm Will.
10:47SPEAKERBut no, every month we take questions from the audience
10:49SPEAKERthat you can send them into our email address,
10:51SPEAKERwhich is techpod@content.town.
10:54SPEAKEROr alternately, if you're in the Discord,
10:56SPEAKERif you're a TechPod Patreon,
10:58SPEAKERa patron and they're a part of our Patreon,
11:00SPEAKERyou can go to the question seeking answers channel
11:02SPEAKERon the Discord.
11:03SPEAKERPost the questions there, just fire them into the ether.
11:05SPEAKERThey disappear.
11:07SPEAKERAnd then through the magic of channel permissions,
11:09SPEAKERwe will see them and we will be able to answer them
11:13SPEAKERshould we choose to do so.
11:14SPEAKERWe got, we got,
11:15SPEAKERI think this might be our highest ratio of questions
11:19SPEAKERthat we marked that we've ever gotten.
11:22SPEAKER- I'm scrolling through now.
11:23SPEAKERThere's like three or four Discord questions
11:26SPEAKERthat one of us did not flag.
11:28SPEAKERThree. - Yeah.
11:29SPEAKER- The quality of questions is good job community.
11:32SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty high.
11:33SPEAKERI don't know that we're gonna get through all of them,
11:35SPEAKERbut we can try.
11:36SPEAKER- Yes, definitely. - I think we should start
11:38SPEAKERright about now.
11:38SPEAKEROh, by the way, if you wanna join the Patreon,
11:40SPEAKERyou wanna get in the Discord,
11:42SPEAKERhang out with the beautiful people there,
11:43SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.
11:44SPEAKERI usually do this at the end,
11:46SPEAKERbut I've noticed that successful podcasts
11:48SPEAKERoften also do it at the beginning.
11:50SPEAKERSo, you know, there you go.
11:52SPEAKER- Call to action.
11:53SPEAKER- Yeah. - There you have it.
11:55SPEAKERWith all that said, I'm tempted to start with this question
11:57SPEAKERthat neither of us did flag 'cause it's so mind-bending.
12:00SPEAKER- Go for it.
12:01SPEAKER- I was awake between the hours of two and six last night,
12:05SPEAKERso I'm not all there right now.
12:07SPEAKER- Oh, that's not good.
12:08SPEAKER- Let's see if either of us can answer.
12:11SPEAKERThis is from Grant.
12:13SPEAKERIt's a meta question about question asking.
12:15SPEAKER- Yeah, nothing people love more than a meta question.
12:18SPEAKER- How can I ask a question here now
12:20SPEAKERif I'm only allowed to post questions I have in the future?
12:23SPEAKERWhat happens if I ask a question that I then forget about
12:25SPEAKERand it's no longer a question I have when the future arrives?
12:27SPEAKERDoes it just cease to exist?
12:30SPEAKER- So, I think this is a reference to the note
12:33SPEAKERin the Discord channel.
12:35SPEAKER- Okay.
12:36SPEAKER- I mean, I think questions are always questions,
12:39SPEAKERwhether they're future questions or past questions.
12:41SPEAKERIt's impossible to quantify and specify a time
12:46SPEAKERfor a question.
12:47SPEAKER- If a question falls in the woods
12:49SPEAKERand no one is there to hear it, does it have an answer?
12:51SPEAKER- That's kind of where I was going, but like, I mean,
12:57SPEAKERyou're allowed to post questions whenever you want.
12:59SPEAKER- That's true.
13:00SPEAKER- But questions for now or for the future is up to us,
13:02SPEAKERnot you.
13:03SPEAKER- Yes, yes.
13:03SPEAKER- Also, I guess what I'm saying is
13:05SPEAKERthe probability waveform collapses
13:07SPEAKERthe moment we open that channel.
13:08SPEAKER- That's right.
13:09SPEAKER- Up until then, it's in an indeterminate state
13:11SPEAKERwhere it's either answered nor not answered.
13:13SPEAKER- Okay, perfect.
13:14SPEAKERI was really hoping this would go in a quantum direction
13:16SPEAKERand you have succeeded.
13:18SPEAKER- Yeah, only now.
13:19SPEAKERWe've closed the loop.
13:20SPEAKERIt's been answered, I think successfully,
13:22SPEAKERand we can move on to the next question.
13:24SPEAKER- That's right, that's right.
13:26SPEAKERMan, I wish I could find this again.
13:28SPEAKERI read an explanation of quantum superposition
13:31SPEAKERa couple of years ago about quantum,
13:34SPEAKERlike, you know, the dead cat thing, you know, the, you know.
13:38SPEAKER- Schrodinger's cat, it's a famous thought experiment,
13:40SPEAKERnot a real experiment except for in some universities.
13:43SPEAKER- Right, thing is in all possible states
13:45SPEAKERuntil it's observed.
13:47SPEAKER- Well, it's not all possible states.
13:48SPEAKERThe states are dead or not dead,
13:50SPEAKERand it's based on whether a cesium atom decays, I think.
13:53SPEAKERI can't remember.
13:54SPEAKER- I mean, when we're talking about a cat dead and not dead
13:56SPEAKERare the two possible states, right, to be fair.
13:58SPEAKER- I mean, I would argue that cats have a rich inner life,
14:01SPEAKERbut whatever.
14:02SPEAKER- Okay, fine.
14:02SPEAKERAnyway, the description I read was not,
14:05SPEAKERthe thing being observed is not affected by the observation.
14:08SPEAKERThe thing doing the observing is then entangled
14:10SPEAKERwith the wave function.
14:11SPEAKERDoes that make sense?
14:12SPEAKER- That's the problem with quantum mechanics and science
14:15SPEAKERis that the act of observing,
14:18SPEAKERlike there's basically one of the core ideas,
14:21SPEAKERas I understand it, as a person who took this stuff
14:23SPEAKER20, 30 years ago in college and hasn't kept up,
14:26SPEAKERis that once you observe something,
14:27SPEAKERyou are inextricably connected to it.
14:29SPEAKERThere's no such thing as an outside observer.
14:31SPEAKERI mean, look, here's the thing, though.
14:33SPEAKERThen this is important to remember about quantum mechanics.
14:35SPEAKERI love quantum mechanics.
14:36SPEAKERIt's fun to talk about.
14:37SPEAKERThe thing to remember is that in the 1800s,
14:40SPEAKERwe thought that maggots spontaneously arose
14:44SPEAKERfrom rotting meat and the idea that something that flies
14:48SPEAKERcould come and lay eggs on meat
14:54SPEAKERand turn to the maggots and the maggots would become flies
14:56SPEAKERwas a ludicrous proposition, right?
14:59SPEAKERSo it's entirely possible that in 100 years,
15:01SPEAKERwe're gonna look back at this quantum superposition stuff
15:05SPEAKERas an absolute load of hooey,
15:08SPEAKERand the middle school kids will be laughing
15:10SPEAKERat all the silly 20th century people
15:13SPEAKERwho were murdering cats with cesium atoms.
15:15SPEAKER- Yes, except those middle school kids
15:17SPEAKERwill have become higher dimensional beings
15:19SPEAKERcapable of traversing time as a physical dimension.
15:22SPEAKER- Yeah, super intelligent shades of the color blue.
15:24SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.
15:26SPEAKERAll right, okay, this is a great question from Omoshi Yoshi.
15:31SPEAKERWhat keyboard shortcut would you like to be able to use
15:33SPEAKERin real life?
15:33SPEAKERI would really love to be able
15:35SPEAKERto control F my car keys sometimes.
15:36SPEAKER- Paste.
15:37SPEAKER- Paste.
15:38SPEAKER- I'd like to just make copies of stuff.
15:40SPEAKER- Just control V.
15:41SPEAKEROh, in that sense, you mean endless, like multiple cop, oh.
15:44SPEAKER- Yeah.
15:45SPEAKER- So I could just control C,
15:47SPEAKERcontrol V a $100 bill, for example.
15:49SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, you want a cheeseburger?
15:51SPEAKER- Sure, wait a minute.
15:52SPEAKERYou've basically even invented a replicator here.
15:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, solve world hunger, all sorts of problems.
15:57SPEAKERYou control paste, you can copy paste stuff, everything.
16:00SPEAKERAll of our problems are solved.
16:02SPEAKER- That's, you know, that's a pretty good one, actually,
16:04SPEAKERnow that you mentioned it.
16:05SPEAKERMy first thought was window key V for the clipboard history,
16:09SPEAKERto be able to recall a big list of pieces of information
16:12SPEAKERthat I have forgotten, but are still there.
16:14SPEAKER- That's pretty good.
16:16SPEAKER- On command would be pretty helpful.
16:19SPEAKER- That's pretty good.
16:20SPEAKER- We'll see.
16:22SPEAKER- Windows P is good.
16:23SPEAKERJust turn off, turn off the, you know, turn off the world.
16:26SPEAKER- Okay, yes, that would be nice on occasion.
16:28SPEAKER- I would go to my secondary monitor.
16:29SPEAKERThat's the fun monitor.
16:31SPEAKER- Oh, gosh, what else is good?
16:34SPEAKERLike the, I don't know, the emoji.
16:35SPEAKERCould we like adapt the emoji picker
16:38SPEAKERto be like a language picker?
16:39SPEAKERCould I like say, hey, that's probably a stretch.
16:42SPEAKER- I think that's too far.
16:43SPEAKERWhat about task manager?
16:44SPEAKERCould you just, could you just turn off stuff you didn't want?
16:46SPEAKERCould you control all the scape and bust open,
16:49SPEAKERjust kill some processes?
16:50SPEAKERLike you're like, hey, there's 10 people in line
16:51SPEAKERin front of me in target.
16:52SPEAKERBoom, problem solved.
16:54SPEAKER- Like task manager for your body maybe?
16:56SPEAKERYou can see like how well your heart and how like,
16:58SPEAKERwhat's the load on your heart?
16:58SPEAKER- Oh, no, no, I want it for the world around me.
17:00SPEAKERI don't wanna, my body is perfect.
17:02SPEAKERIt's a temple, Brad.
17:03SPEAKER- How well are your lungs functioning?
17:07SPEAKEROkay, should we move on?
17:09SPEAKER- I think, I think, I think, I think we've,
17:13SPEAKERI think we've, maybe alt and enter, maximize, minimize.
17:15SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
17:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.
17:17SPEAKER- It's not terrible.
17:19SPEAKERMultiple desktops.
17:20SPEAKER- Okay, we're really stretching the metaphor here.
17:23SPEAKER- Oh man, we need to make that mind palace bigger.
17:25SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:27SPEAKEROkay, Shags Magoo, does it throw you guys off when,
17:30SPEAKERdoes it throw you guys off any when people change
17:33SPEAKERtheir profile pictures after having a previous one
17:35SPEAKERfor a long time?
17:35SPEAKERYes, like it kills me, kills me.
17:39SPEAKER- You might as well be a different person at that point
17:41SPEAKER'cause I'm really, I recognize a profile picture.
17:43SPEAKERI'm like, oh yeah, okay.
17:44SPEAKERAnd then I look and the profile pictures change
17:46SPEAKERand I'm like, oh, hey, somebody new is here
17:47SPEAKERand posting all the time.
17:48SPEAKERThat's weird.
17:49SPEAKERWait, no, this is somebody who's been here for two years.
17:51SPEAKER- Yes, if you're a prolific chatter on the Discord
17:53SPEAKERand you change your profile picture,
17:55SPEAKERjust know that you are taking a little piece
17:57SPEAKERof my heart with you.
17:59SPEAKER- I mean, it's just that you're basically
18:00SPEAKERre-anonymizing yourself and starting over again.
18:02SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, you'll build that memory back up,
18:05SPEAKERbut sure, throws me for a loop, absolutely.
18:12SPEAKERYou marked this moon landing when I was,
18:15SPEAKERI was debating this one, let's read it.
18:17SPEAKERFrom Jusso, Jusso, I'm not sure how to say your name.
18:20SPEAKER- I would say that's Jusso.
18:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I thought.
18:23SPEAKERHow hard is it to land on the moon?
18:26SPEAKERSurely this is a solved problem
18:27SPEAKERsince we've been sending stuff there for 60 years.
18:30SPEAKERCan I just crowdfund $100 million, build a lunar lander,
18:33SPEAKERsend a rover there and then do Twitch plays lunar mission?
18:37SPEAKERFirst of all, first of all, I don't think,
18:38SPEAKERI don't think you're getting there for $100 million.
18:40SPEAKER- Well, India did, but also somebody rightly pointed out
18:43SPEAKERthat the price of labor, like the price of the support staff
18:47SPEAKERand the engineering and the thousands of people
18:49SPEAKERthat build a rocket that goes to the moon
18:51SPEAKERis lower in India than it is here, right?
18:55SPEAKER- So actually, let me, sorry, let me jump in.
18:57SPEAKERI've been a little unplugged from the news
18:58SPEAKERfor the last couple of weeks.
18:59SPEAKERDid something happen with the Indian lunar mission?
19:02SPEAKER- Yeah, they made it, they did it, mission accomplished.
19:03SPEAKER- Oh, okay. - Yeah.
19:05SPEAKERJapan just landed, kind of had a hard soft landing
19:09SPEAKERfor 120 mil.
19:10SPEAKER- Okay, what do you mean by hard soft?
19:13SPEAKER- So they landed, the theory I think is that
19:16SPEAKERone of the engines fell off in the landing process,
19:22SPEAKERso it landed soft, but it tipped over immediately afterwards.
19:25SPEAKER- I see, okay, it must be the Japanese mission
19:27SPEAKERI was thinking of when I asked if something happened,
19:29SPEAKER'cause I thought I remembered seeing a headline go by
19:31SPEAKERthat something slightly precarious happened
19:33SPEAKERwith a lunar landing.
19:35SPEAKER- So the probe is working, but it's not upright,
19:39SPEAKERthe solar panels aren't charging
19:40SPEAKER'cause they're aimed at the ground or something.
19:42SPEAKER- Not ideal.
19:43SPEAKER- There was a private mission that was,
19:44SPEAKERI think $160 million that they didn't make it to orbit
19:47SPEAKERbecause they had a leak.
19:49SPEAKERI mean, they didn't make it to the moon
19:50SPEAKERbecause they had a leak and it's gonna burn up
19:51SPEAKERin the Earth's atmosphere and not even making it
19:53SPEAKERas far as the moon's orbit.
19:55SPEAKERSo yeah, I mean, I think, could you do it
19:59SPEAKERfor a hundred million dollars?
20:00SPEAKERI mean, one person couldn't,
20:02SPEAKERbut you could spend a hundred million dollars
20:03SPEAKERand hire a whole bunch of smart people
20:05SPEAKERand probably make that happen.
20:06SPEAKERI don't think it's as easy as Kerbal is the DLDR, sadly.
20:10SPEAKER- Yeah, also, I mean, I'm just assuming things like that
20:13SPEAKERare always inherently going to be somewhat difficult, right?
20:16SPEAKERLike it's a highly precision task that,
20:21SPEAKERit's not like there's air currents or something that are,
20:23SPEAKERthere's not gonna be that much variability.
20:25SPEAKERLike the gravity is like broadly understood.
20:28SPEAKERProbably not gonna be that many different.
20:30SPEAKERWell, I don't know, maybe if it was done enough times
20:33SPEAKERit could become routine where it would be kind of
20:35SPEAKERa guaranteed chance of success.
20:36SPEAKER- If you read, but the question is now, right?
20:39SPEAKERAnd now the answer is no, like until recently
20:41SPEAKERwe hadn't landed on the moon in 40 years.
20:43SPEAKER- Right.
20:45SPEAKER- As a species, not as Americans.
20:50SPEAKERIf you read the books about this, like probes,
20:53SPEAKERlike people who make, the work that JPL does in the US
20:57SPEAKERand other institutions do around the world,
21:02SPEAKERlike the thing that you realize is that this is,
21:05SPEAKERthis is maybe the most, there's an idea
21:10SPEAKERthat the more you learn about stuff,
21:11SPEAKERthe more you appreciate the complexity of it
21:15SPEAKERand that what seems like it's pretty straightforward
21:17SPEAKERfrom the outside immediately becomes fractally complex,
21:19SPEAKERright, and it happens when you look at somebody,
21:21SPEAKERgoing into game design from something else
21:23SPEAKERor going and learning how to launch a media empire, right?
21:28SPEAKERLike it turns out everything's hard
21:30SPEAKERand you don't realize it until you're really in the weeds.
21:33SPEAKERAnd this is maybe the best example of that.
21:35SPEAKER- Oh my God, dude, that idea has such broad applicability
21:38SPEAKERon the internet to people opining about other people's jobs.
21:43SPEAKER- Well, of course.
21:44SPEAKERYeah, I mean, but it's universal.
21:46SPEAKEREverything looks easy
21:46SPEAKERwhen you're just watching the output, right?
21:48SPEAKER- Like everybody assumes everything is easy
21:50SPEAKERwhen they don't know how the sausage is made.
21:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but like to land on the moon,
21:54SPEAKERa hundred million things have to go right.
21:56SPEAKER- Right.
21:57SPEAKER- And if one of them fails, you might still make it,
22:00SPEAKERbut probably not.
22:01SPEAKERLike the fact that we sent all those people to the moon
22:03SPEAKERand nobody died that we know of, pretty amazing.
22:07SPEAKER- So yeah, no, I don't think you could crowdfund it.
22:12SPEAKERI don't think playing Kerbal is gonna help you
22:14SPEAKERget to the moon for real.
22:15SPEAKER- Yeah, are there international treaties
22:18SPEAKERor any kind of, any standing agreements
22:21SPEAKERthat govern people landing on the moon?
22:24SPEAKER- Well, so yeah, there's all sorts of treaties,
22:26SPEAKERbut if you break a treaty on the moon,
22:28SPEAKERwhat are you gonna do?
22:29SPEAKERWhat are they gonna do to you?
22:30SPEAKER- The effects would be felt on earth, I would presume.
22:33SPEAKER- I mean, maybe there's like the private mission
22:35SPEAKERhad human remains that were gonna be disposed of
22:37SPEAKERon the moon that--
22:40SPEAKER- I don't love that.
22:41SPEAKER- People were pretty profoundly upset about.
22:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I extremely don't love that.
22:45SPEAKER- Yeah, like there's not, so the answer I think
22:49SPEAKERis that there's not enough regulation on some stuff.
22:51SPEAKERThere's fine regulation on other stuff
22:54SPEAKERthat's mostly unenforceable.
22:55SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
22:56SPEAKER- This is, just to be clear, this is what from,
23:01SPEAKERwhat's the Apple for all mankind, the Apple show is about?
23:05SPEAKERThey get into this a lot.
23:06SPEAKERThey spend a lot of time talking about treaty stuff.
23:08SPEAKERIt's worth watching, it's really good.
23:09SPEAKER- I've got to watch, that show sounds like
23:11SPEAKERit's right up my alley and I'd probably be the recommended.
23:15SPEAKER- If only we had a podcast where we talked
23:16SPEAKERabout that kind of stuff and could really
23:18SPEAKERwatch the first season and then talk about it.
23:20SPEAKER- Wait, is this an idea for me?
23:21SPEAKER- If only.
23:22SPEAKER- Huh, huh.
23:24SPEAKER- If only, Brad.
23:26SPEAKER- I don't know, that show might have to get in line
23:28SPEAKERbehind Halt and Catch Fire because that still
23:30SPEAKERis the one for me.
23:33SPEAKER- Yeah, but Halt and Catch Fire isn't readily available
23:35SPEAKERright now and that is, anyway, we can talk about this later.
23:37SPEAKERThis is offline.
23:38SPEAKER- Yes, that's what's been, yeah.
23:40SPEAKER- We should offline this conversation, Brad.
23:41SPEAKER- All right, fine, fine.
23:45SPEAKERLet's see here.
23:47SPEAKER- You just preemptively marked a question and answer
23:49SPEAKERthat has not been answered.
23:50SPEAKERThis is an unprecedented change in policy.
23:55SPEAKER- Well, so, okay, well, we are going to read this one.
23:58SPEAKERThere's like a block of questions
23:59SPEAKERabout your electric vehicle.
24:01SPEAKER- People had a lot of electric vehicle questions this month.
24:03SPEAKERI don't know what's going on.
24:05SPEAKER- We should probably just do all of them here.
24:08SPEAKER- Welcome to the EV block.
24:11SPEAKER- This one's from another Dave,
24:12SPEAKERalthough I think we should just read this
24:14SPEAKERand then read one of the others
24:15SPEAKER'cause they get a little more specific
24:16SPEAKERand this one's pretty broad.
24:17SPEAKERHow has the Bolt EV been treating Will?
24:19SPEAKERAre you able to charge at home?
24:21SPEAKERWhat percent EVs do you estimate there are on the road
24:24SPEAKERin your part of California?
24:25SPEAKERActually, go ahead and answer that one.
24:27SPEAKER- So, I don't know what the percentage is, it's high.
24:31SPEAKERI don't know if it's high because you notice them
24:33SPEAKERwhen you start driving EVs
24:34SPEAKERor just because they look different than normal cars.
24:36SPEAKERWe see a lot of Teslas, a lot of Hyundai's,
24:40SPEAKERa lot of Kia's, a lot of Bolt's, like a ton of Bolt's.
24:44SPEAKERFewer Leafs and that kind of era of electrics now,
24:48SPEAKERbut I would think at most 10% would be high, maybe 20.
24:57SPEAKERI charge at home.
24:58SPEAKERI didn't ever put an L2 charger in
25:00SPEAKER'cause I need to replace the electrical service to the house
25:02SPEAKERto have enough circuits to do that.
25:05SPEAKERWith the small battery and the Bolt, it's not necessary.
25:08SPEAKERIt's like a 58 or 60 kilowatt hour battery, I think.
25:11SPEAKERAnd it turns out more than enough,
25:13SPEAKERlike that'll charge on the 120 volt, no problem.
25:16SPEAKERWe've put about 25,000 miles on it in the last three years.
25:20SPEAKERThe lease is up in April.
25:21SPEAKERAnd I kind of just want to buy this car
25:25SPEAKER'cause it's been treated well and it's in good shape.
25:28SPEAKERIt's probably not the right choice
25:29SPEAKER'cause they're selling for a little bit cheaper
25:31SPEAKERthan the buyout price on the lease.
25:34SPEAKERAnd I don't know how I would handle it
25:36SPEAKERif I couldn't charge at home.
25:38SPEAKERThe slow trickle charge at home
25:40SPEAKERhas two benefits in California.
25:41SPEAKEROne is that we reduce our electrical rate
25:45SPEAKERfrom midnight to 3 p.m.
25:47SPEAKERThe other is that it really,
25:51SPEAKERif you have a F-150 Lightning, you need an L2 charger.
25:54SPEAKERIf you have a car with a relatively small battery,
25:56SPEAKERthis car's relatively light for an EV,
25:59SPEAKERyou're fine on the 120 volt,
26:02SPEAKERassuming you're not driving like 90 miles a day.
26:04SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, this is an aside.
26:06SPEAKERDo you have any idea how well the Lightning is selling?
26:09SPEAKERI was under the impression they had taken off and exploded,
26:12SPEAKERbut then someone I know who is, let's say, a bit anti-EV
26:17SPEAKERwas railing about how it was a giant failure recently.
26:20SPEAKERAnd I didn't actually look up
26:21SPEAKERto see if that was propaganda or true.
26:25SPEAKER- So the initial, my understanding is
26:28SPEAKERit sold like crazy for a while,
26:30SPEAKERand then it slowed down as the price,
26:32SPEAKERone of the things that you'll find
26:33SPEAKERif you're shopping for an EV is that the price,
26:36SPEAKERthe prices change dramatically
26:37SPEAKERbased on the current gas prices.
26:39SPEAKERRight now, people are interested in California
26:41SPEAKER'cause gas is always above $5 a gallon right now.
26:45SPEAKERAnd they make, the more expensive gas gets,
26:49SPEAKERthe more sense an EV makes, basically.
26:51SPEAKERSo I think, my sister was telling me
26:54SPEAKERgas is 220 a gallon where she is or something.
26:57SPEAKERSo your need for an EV is a little bit lower.
27:00SPEAKERI think the Lightning, as somebody
27:06SPEAKERwho's driven an EV for a while
27:07SPEAKERand is looking for the second one now,
27:09SPEAKERthe Lightning has some problems
27:11SPEAKERthat are first-gen issues that they'll work out.
27:14SPEAKEROne is that it charges slow,
27:16SPEAKERespecially considering how big its battery is.
27:18SPEAKERIt charges, it has a 150 kilowatt charge rate,
27:22SPEAKERmax, and it has an enormous battery.
27:25SPEAKERSo you're looking at long,
27:26SPEAKERlike if you're on a long drive
27:28SPEAKERand you have to stop and charge,
27:29SPEAKERyou're gonna have long charge times.
27:31SPEAKERIf you need a truck for towing,
27:33SPEAKERthey're not, the EVs are not great for that
27:35SPEAKERjust because you're gonna cut your 300 or 400-mile battery
27:39SPEAKERto a 100-mile battery when you tow a big,
27:41SPEAKERheavy load with that truck.
27:44SPEAKERAnd so, if you're looking to replace your truck,
27:47SPEAKERlike if you're a person who buys a truck
27:49SPEAKERbecause you're a big, strong man
27:51SPEAKERand needs to drive a pickup truck,
27:55SPEAKERand you could use a sedan for everything
27:56SPEAKERthat you drive that pickup truck for,
27:58SPEAKERLightning's great for you.
27:59SPEAKERIf you're towing big loads,
28:02SPEAKERor if you actually have to put stuff in the bed
28:04SPEAKERto haul it around, maybe not a good car, turns out.
28:09SPEAKER- Okay, all right.
28:11SPEAKERLet's move on to these next questions.
28:12SPEAKERHere's one from Xander.
28:15SPEAKERI'm debating getting a car for the first time
28:17SPEAKERin several years, specifically leasing an EV.
28:19SPEAKERI live in an apartment in San Francisco at the moment
28:22SPEAKERwithout garage access.
28:23SPEAKERI do live just above the street
28:24SPEAKERand have been debating about joining the new trend
28:27SPEAKERof just tossing a cord out the window over the deck
28:30SPEAKERand down to the car to charge it from wall power.
28:33SPEAKERHow awful will this be?
28:35SPEAKERAdditional fun question.
28:37SPEAKERThe circuit this would be on also
28:39SPEAKERis the circuit my 3D printers are on.
28:41SPEAKERCan I charge my car in 3D print at the same time?
28:43SPEAKERThat is a 21st century question.
28:45SPEAKER- Yeah, this is maybe the most Xander question ever also.
28:49SPEAKERSo, the 3D printers, depending on the kind of 3D printer
28:53SPEAKERyou run, usually run between 50 and 300 watts.
28:57SPEAKERThey're not a huge draw.
29:01SPEAKERYou should be able to run them at the same time,
29:02SPEAKERespecially if you're charging on the slow rate.
29:05SPEAKERI would be, honestly, I would be more worried
29:07SPEAKERabout somebody stealing the charger than anything
29:10SPEAKERbecause the chargers typically are at least $200 or $300,
29:14SPEAKERthe 120 volt ones, if you have to replace them.
29:17SPEAKERAnd that would be, I think that would be my primary concern
29:20SPEAKERin San Francisco is if somebody would just yank it
29:22SPEAKERout of the wall and run 'cause they don't,
29:25SPEAKERdepending on the car, they may or may not lock in place.
29:28SPEAKERLike the Chevrolets, the one that they ship
29:30SPEAKERwith the Chevrolet, and I don't think the bolt,
29:33SPEAKERI don't think the bolt connector locks.
29:34SPEAKERI think Tesla's lock in place, they're standard,
29:38SPEAKERbut I think most of them, you have to,
29:40SPEAKERare just a button that you press.
29:41SPEAKERSo, it's an easy snatch and grab for 500 bucks.
29:44SPEAKER- Are the, I mean, you may have just kind of implicitly
29:48SPEAKERanswered this question.
29:48SPEAKERAre the chargers typically corded
29:50SPEAKERor like with a cord built in,
29:51SPEAKERor are they just like a dongle with an electrical port
29:54SPEAKERor outlet that you plug a standalone cord into?
29:57SPEAKER- So, the level one, so there's three types
30:00SPEAKERof chargers for EVs right now, right?
30:01SPEAKERThere's level ones which are 120 volt plug into a normal,
30:04SPEAKERyou know, US three prong, you know,
30:06SPEAKERtwo flats and a round wall plug.
30:09SPEAKERAnd they usually operate between eight and 12 amps.
30:15SPEAKERThe level two chargers run on a 220 volt plug,
30:18SPEAKERlike a dryer oven plug, range plug, electric range plug.
30:23SPEAKERAnd they'll charge significantly faster
30:25SPEAKERthan the 120 volt, eight amp ones, obviously.
30:30SPEAKERThose are usually mounted, although often
30:33SPEAKERwhen you have them installed, if you're moving
30:35SPEAKERyour inner apartment or something like that,
30:37SPEAKERyou'll have a 220 volt plug put in.
30:39SPEAKERSometimes you hardwire those into the wall.
30:41SPEAKERMore often these days, I think people are using
30:43SPEAKERthe 220 volt plug option so that they can take
30:46SPEAKERthe $1,000 charger with them when they move.
30:50SPEAKERSometimes if you, like for example,
30:51SPEAKERif you get the power company to put part of that build
30:53SPEAKERand they'll require it to be wired in, which makes sense,
30:55SPEAKER'cause they wanna increase infrastructure.
30:59SPEAKERThe third option, level three chargers,
31:01SPEAKERare the ones that use like on the side of the freeway
31:03SPEAKERwhen you're driving between San Francisco and LA
31:05SPEAKERor something that are 480 volts and are higher speed
31:09SPEAKERup to 350 or 400 watt chargers.
31:14SPEAKERSo, yeah, to answer your question,
31:17SPEAKERthe plugs that come with the car,
31:19SPEAKERlike the cars usually come with 120 volt level one charger.
31:22SPEAKERSometimes it's a hybrid, like Chevrolet now ships
31:25SPEAKERlevel one, level two hybrid chargers that you can,
31:27SPEAKERyou have a different pigtail for the 120 volt version
31:30SPEAKERand the 240 volt version, but it's the same box.
31:32SPEAKERThere's always a little box that handles the communication
31:35SPEAKERwith the car and knows when to turn it on.
31:38SPEAKERThe interesting thing is some chargers
31:41SPEAKERwill talk to the power grid.
31:42SPEAKERSome level two chargers will talk to the power grid
31:44SPEAKERand be like, okay, I'm allowed to charge these times
31:46SPEAKERand not these times 'cause the rate's high.
31:48SPEAKERSome of that, some cars require that to be built
31:50SPEAKERinto the car and don't work on the charger side.
31:53SPEAKERSo, it's like, depending on the car,
31:55SPEAKERdepending on the charger you have.
31:57SPEAKER- It's a lot to know, it's a use.
32:00SPEAKER- I mean, it's as big a change as when we went from,
32:03SPEAKERyou know, horses and carriages and what you had to know
32:05SPEAKERabout keeping a horse alive and working a carriage
32:07SPEAKERas moving to a horseless carriage, you know.
32:10SPEAKERIt's a complete change in the way the technology works.
32:14SPEAKER- Sure.
32:15SPEAKEROkay, last car question here from David.
32:18SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:19SPEAKER- Have you played around with any internet connected
32:22SPEAKERhardware devices available to connect to your OBD2 port
32:26SPEAKERfor your Chevy Bolt for remote monitoring?
32:27SPEAKEROr do you primarily just use GM's OnStar services
32:30SPEAKERfor your car?
32:31SPEAKERI recently bought a used 2017 Bolt and have found the
32:34SPEAKERsoftware and connectivity of the car to be less than ideal.
32:38SPEAKERUnfortunately, I don't get the free years of access
32:40SPEAKERto their OnStar services having bought the car used.
32:43SPEAKERI don't want to pay the high subscription cost for OnStar
32:46SPEAKERto gain these services.
32:48SPEAKERI've recently been looking into some cellular connected
32:50SPEAKERmonitoring devices that interface with your car's OBD2 port
32:54SPEAKERand was wondering if you've ever looked into these.
32:56SPEAKER- So I have, I've used mostly the Bluetooth ones.
33:00SPEAKERThe OnStar, my understanding was that Bolt's got the OnStar
33:05SPEAKERfor battery monitoring and remote battery indefinitely,
33:08SPEAKERbut that might only be the first owner.
33:10SPEAKERI don't know about that for sure.
33:12SPEAKERI wouldn't probably pay for OnStar.
33:14SPEAKERThe information you get from the, at least on my 2021 Bolt,
33:18SPEAKERis not sufficient for what I would expect
33:21SPEAKERfrom a paid service.
33:21SPEAKERLike you get battery level and you get, I think,
33:23SPEAKERtire status and a couple other things.
33:25SPEAKERYou can remote start the car, but it doesn't give you,
33:29SPEAKERit doesn't give you battery stat, current battery status
33:31SPEAKERlike when you're driving, when you actually really want it.
33:34SPEAKERSo I bought an ODB2, OBD, not old dirty bastard, OBD2 port,
33:41SPEAKERdongle that connects to the phone via Bluetooth
33:44SPEAKERand lets you talk to like a better route planner
33:46SPEAKERand stuff like that.
33:47SPEAKERSo the route, the routing app can get live battery data,
33:51SPEAKERwhich turns out to give you really,
33:53SPEAKERreally accurate range estimates
33:55SPEAKERwhen you're doing a long road trip.
33:56SPEAKERIt doesn't matter if you're doing like a one charge trip,
33:58SPEAKERif you're doing a three charge trip, you want,
34:00SPEAKERit turns out to be helpful, saves time.
34:03SPEAKER- David linked to a couple of the ones
34:05SPEAKERthat he must be looking at, OpenVehicles.com
34:07SPEAKERand the other one is Autopie.io.
34:10SPEAKER- Yeah, so both of those are neat.
34:12SPEAKERThere's some security concerns with running OBD2 devices
34:17SPEAKERon most cars 'cause typically the Bluetooth lockdown
34:20SPEAKERisn't exactly as good as you want.
34:22SPEAKERAnd like it's, depending on where you are,
34:25SPEAKERit's a, there's potential for somebody to like connect
34:28SPEAKERto your car via Bluetooth and unlock the car
34:30SPEAKERfrom the outside when they don't have a previous
34:32SPEAKERrelationship with your car.
34:35SPEAKERI generally unplug the OBD2 port things
34:38SPEAKERwhen I'm not driving for a long time.
34:40SPEAKERAutopie is different, it's a more of a,
34:44SPEAKERlike you basically plug a Pi into your OBD2 port.
34:47SPEAKER- That's what I was waiting to say.
34:48SPEAKERIt is literally Raspberry Pi based.
34:50SPEAKERCan I just read this paragraph?
34:51SPEAKER- Yeah, read it, yeah.
34:52SPEAKER- On Autopie.io for developers.
34:55SPEAKERDeveloper first vehicle telematics platform
34:57SPEAKERbuilt on Raspberry Pi, boots and open source OS
35:00SPEAKERand open API, run local Docker images natively.
35:04SPEAKERDo a full stream of your CAN bus built in support
35:06SPEAKERfor UDS J1939 and do IP, whatever those are.
35:11SPEAKERBut running Docker images on a device connected
35:14SPEAKERto your car is also extremely 2024.
35:17SPEAKER- Well, so it's really like the data you get out of it,
35:20SPEAKERit gives you basically, it's basically at that point
35:22SPEAKERit becomes a Fitbit for your car, right?
35:24SPEAKERYou get driver's logs, you get real-time tracking,
35:28SPEAKERyou get the ability to see what the battery state is
35:30SPEAKERfrom anywhere, whether you're connected to it or not.
35:33SPEAKERThere is a monthly charge.
35:34SPEAKERI mean, depending on what modem you decide to use,
35:36SPEAKERthere's a monthly connection rate,
35:38SPEAKER'cause you do have to hook it up
35:39SPEAKERto your cellular network somehow.
35:41SPEAKERBut because it's relatively low data,
35:43SPEAKERyou can use one of the cheaper options
35:44SPEAKERrather than like just charging, adding 10 bucks
35:46SPEAKERand another phone number to your data plan.
35:49SPEAKER- Right.
35:50SPEAKER- So it's interesting.
35:53SPEAKERI think it's probably like if you like noodling with stuff,
35:57SPEAKERit's great.
35:59SPEAKERIf you are looking for something for normal people to use,
36:05SPEAKERit's probably early for that stuff
36:06SPEAKERwould be my read on that.
36:08SPEAKERAlthough like the Mini, which is plug and play
36:10SPEAKERand is pretty straightforward,
36:12SPEAKERseems like maybe it's a good choice.
36:14SPEAKERI don't know what the cellular data status on that is.
36:19SPEAKER- That's cool.
36:20SPEAKER- I also don't like buying cars
36:21SPEAKERthat have services attached to them.
36:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I can definitely see that.
36:25SPEAKER- It feels gross.
36:26SPEAKER- Is that not all of them now though?
36:27SPEAKER- They all have services, but some are worse than others.
36:30SPEAKERLike Chevrolet wants to paywall a bunch of stuff
36:35SPEAKERthat comes with carplay in their future cars,
36:38SPEAKERwhich they've already gotten blowback on
36:39SPEAKERand maybe rolling back on, I don't know.
36:42SPEAKERIt's like everything as a service is not great.
36:47SPEAKER- I agree.
36:48SPEAKER- Cars as a service feels bad.
36:49SPEAKER- I agree, wholeheartedly.
36:52SPEAKERAll right, here's an interesting question
36:56SPEAKERthat I wish I had a better answer for from One Sweet Chuck.
37:00SPEAKERListening to the episode about input devices,
37:01SPEAKERwhy did games settle on WASD movement as standard
37:06SPEAKERinstead of ESDF where your hand
37:07SPEAKERwould normally be for touch typing?
37:10SPEAKERFor first person shooters when I'm always moving,
37:12SPEAKERit's not a big deal, but even after gaming for 20 plus years
37:15SPEAKERon games where my hand moves around the keyboard,
37:18SPEAKERfinding my way back to WASD is very hit and miss.
37:21SPEAKERMy hand wants to go to the home row,
37:24SPEAKERespecially because the nub on a ton of keyboards
37:26SPEAKERis on the F key.
37:28SPEAKERI don't have the best answer for this to be perfectly honest.
37:32SPEAKER- I looked into this and there's no clear consensus.
37:34SPEAKER- Okay, is it just the case that somebody did it
37:39SPEAKERand then some more people did it and it just happened?
37:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's it actually.
37:45SPEAKERI think that probably my guess would be Doom
37:50SPEAKERor Quake shipped with WASD as the standard.
37:54SPEAKERSo Quake, yeah, so Quake- - I think Quake one
37:58SPEAKERhad still arrow keys at launch.
37:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it was still arrow keys,
38:01SPEAKERbut then people very quickly switched to WASD
38:04SPEAKERso that you didn't have to move your hands
38:05SPEAKERto the left side of the keyboard
38:06SPEAKERwhen you were using the mouse.
38:08SPEAKERAnd, but I don't have any, like I used ESDF for years
38:12SPEAKERand then switched 'cause I got tired
38:14SPEAKERof changing the default settings in every,
38:15SPEAKERlike when, actually I remember when I switched,
38:18SPEAKERit was when first person shooter key bindings
38:21SPEAKERgot complicated beyond just using the number keys
38:24SPEAKERto change guns and you suddenly needed Q and R and E
38:29SPEAKERand H and G for like offhand grenade and reloads
38:32SPEAKERand all that stuff.
38:34SPEAKERAnd that's when I just stopped rebinding everything.
38:37SPEAKER- Yeah, man, I'm actually starting to feel very bummed
38:40SPEAKERabout this as we discuss it.
38:41SPEAKERFirst of all, I was gonna say like on WASD,
38:44SPEAKERmaybe at least your pinky can hit things like control
38:47SPEAKERand shift more easily, but I'm sitting here trying ESDF
38:50SPEAKERand I can still hit shift and control
38:52SPEAKERpretty much just fine from there.
38:55SPEAKERSo that's not a problem.
38:56SPEAKERThe other thing that occurs to me
38:58SPEAKERas I rest my fingers on ESDF is things like hitting R
39:02SPEAKERfor reload or common, like you just said,
39:05SPEAKERtons of keys that G for grenade or whatever,
39:08SPEAKERwhen your hands are already on the home row
39:10SPEAKERwhere they're used to being,
39:11SPEAKERthe muscle memory for those keys is still active,
39:13SPEAKERyou know what I mean?
39:14SPEAKERSo like, I don't have to think about the weird extra stretch
39:17SPEAKERto hit R or not like maybe not quite hitting R
39:19SPEAKERor hitting T accidentally instead, you know what I mean?
39:21SPEAKERLike hitting the non-movement keys
39:23SPEAKERseems like it would be way easier
39:25SPEAKERif we were sitting on the home row.
39:27SPEAKER- But then you do also lose your PUBG-style lean keys
39:30SPEAKERwould have been our Q and E by default usually, right?
39:33SPEAKERI think part of it is that Quake
39:34SPEAKERdidn't have an action button, right?
39:36SPEAKERSo you just walked up to stuff
39:37SPEAKERand like switches triggered when you got close to them.
39:40SPEAKER- Wait, does it have an action button?
39:42SPEAKER- Quake did not.
39:43SPEAKER- Does it not?
39:44SPEAKER- Quake 2 does.
39:45SPEAKER- I guess you're right.
39:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:48SPEAKERSo, you know, Quake, and there was no reload in Quake either,
39:51SPEAKERso you were just switching guns.
39:52SPEAKER- Hell yeah, there wasn't.
39:53SPEAKER- In Quake, my buttons, like W was the rocket launcher
39:56SPEAKERand R was the lightning gun.
39:59SPEAKERSo I could switch to those instantly
40:01SPEAKERwithout having to scroll weapon up or weapon down
40:05SPEAKERor stretch all the way to like the seven button.
40:08SPEAKERBut yeah, I think that as the controls got more complicated,
40:13SPEAKERit got, the price of changing was higher for me at least.
40:17SPEAKERI do like, I like the idea of having G.
40:20SPEAKERI mean, like I switched to a new keyboard recently.
40:22SPEAKERI'm using the model 100 that I got on Kickstarter ages ago,
40:26SPEAKERwhich has been a real humbling experience.
40:29SPEAKER- We should talk about that in more depth at some point.
40:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I think, I mean,
40:33SPEAKERI think next time we do a potpourri episode,
40:35SPEAKERI can talk about it, but it turns out
40:37SPEAKERwhen you're used to your pinkies
40:38SPEAKERdoing something for 30 years,
40:39SPEAKERand then you switch to doing those same things
40:41SPEAKERwith your thumb, significantly challenging.
40:44SPEAKERI'm getting there though.
40:44SPEAKERIt's been about a week.
40:45SPEAKER- I could see that.
40:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
40:48SPEAKER- Here's a, let's do another game related question.
40:51SPEAKERMaybe you can put on your game design helmet hat here.
40:55SPEAKERQuestion from Jen.
40:56SPEAKER- Beanie, I think is the technical term
40:58SPEAKERfor the game design hat, yeah.
40:59SPEAKER- We're talking like the one with the propeller.
41:01SPEAKER- Well, I mean, if you're advanced, yeah.
41:03SPEAKER- Okay, it's the mark of expertise, the propeller.
41:09SPEAKER- Propeller and it's got three colors instead of just one.
41:11SPEAKER- Yes, a question from Jen.
41:15SPEAKERWhy do so many games have you quit
41:16SPEAKERto the main screen of the game
41:17SPEAKERand then make you exit to desktop from there?
41:19SPEAKERWhy can't I just quit when I want to exit?
41:21SPEAKER- Isn't that, I believe that that's part of the console.
41:27SPEAKER- The TCR.
41:28SPEAKER- TCR, yeah, because you need to go back to the home screen.
41:31SPEAKERYou need to have a home screen that you go back to
41:33SPEAKERso that you can change users on the consoles,
41:36SPEAKERon the modern consoles.
41:38SPEAKERBecause if you change, normally if you change users
41:41SPEAKERfrom inside, for example, if you're playing on the Switch,
41:44SPEAKERI don't know anything about the Switch TCR,
41:46SPEAKERso that's why I'm using that one.
41:48SPEAKERIf you're playing a game on the Switch, you change users,
41:52SPEAKERand then it's gonna kick you back to that launch screen,
41:57SPEAKERthe press A to start screen,
41:59SPEAKERand that's why you usually have to go,
42:00SPEAKERon PC games, you have to go back to that
42:02SPEAKERbecause that's the fastest way out.
42:03SPEAKERAnd then usually, depending on the developer,
42:05SPEAKERsome of them will put an exit to desktop button in the menus.
42:07SPEAKERMost console game ports don't think
42:10SPEAKERabout how you close the game
42:12SPEAKERbecause the console just does that
42:13SPEAKERwithout you having to worry about it.
42:15SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:16SPEAKER- All right, that was a highly informed answer.
42:20SPEAKER- It's the kind of thing you think about.
42:23SPEAKERFor example, this was one of my favorite pages
42:25SPEAKERon Giant Bomb back in the day,
42:27SPEAKERwas the games that say press A to start
42:30SPEAKERand you actually have to press A and not start,
42:32SPEAKERor any button or whatever.
42:36SPEAKERIt was a clever name for it.
42:38SPEAKERIt was specific requirements on button, anyway, yeah.
42:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that one collects games
42:45SPEAKERthat say to hit a specific button,
42:47SPEAKERbut actually let you hit anything.
42:48SPEAKER- Maybe that's it, yeah.
42:49SPEAKER- I think it was what it was, something like that.
42:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:52SPEAKER- That was a fun Wiki.
42:53SPEAKER- The Wiki, it turns out I always wanted a Wiki.
42:55SPEAKERIt seemed like it'd be fun.
42:56SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, I bet it would have, anyway.
43:00SPEAKERAll right, I see you highlighting this VR question.
43:03SPEAKERDo you want to?
43:04SPEAKER- Oh no, I wasn't.
43:05SPEAKERI was just idly mousing, but we can do it, yeah.
43:07SPEAKER- Okay, well, here we are.
43:09SPEAKERIt's from input name here.
43:12SPEAKERFor VR, I've heard that a portion of the population
43:14SPEAKERare unable to process the effect
43:15SPEAKERbecause of vision-related conditions.
43:18SPEAKERI have had issues with the 3D rides at theme parks,
43:20SPEAKERand my limited exposure, or experience, rather,
43:22SPEAKERwith VR has always felt off.
43:25SPEAKERHow do I know if it's an issue with my eyes
43:27SPEAKERor just an expected limitation of the hardware?
43:29SPEAKER- So one of the things that became clear
43:33SPEAKERif you did a bunch of VR demos
43:35SPEAKERis that there's a big variance in how people experience 3D,
43:40SPEAKEReither because they have vision problems,
43:43SPEAKERwhether it's just myopia
43:45SPEAKERor different prescriptions in different eyes,
43:47SPEAKERwhether it's because some people do,
43:50SPEAKERrather than have bifocals,
43:51SPEAKERthey'll do one eye that's an up-close eye
43:53SPEAKERand one eye that's a faraway eye,
43:54SPEAKERand they don't even think about it.
43:55SPEAKERIt just kind of happens 'cause brains are weird.
43:58SPEAKERSome people, and this seemed to be gender-specific,
44:02SPEAKERsome people use binocular vision
44:05SPEAKERprimarily to determine depth.
44:06SPEAKERSome people use shading and coloring
44:08SPEAKERand use other cues to determine depth,
44:12SPEAKERand it seems like generally,
44:14SPEAKERthis is a broad generalization,
44:16SPEAKERbut there's science that backs this up.
44:18SPEAKERGenerally, women tend to use non-binocular vision cues,
44:21SPEAKERand men tend to use binocular vision as cues,
44:24SPEAKERwhich is why VR, something like 15% of women
44:28SPEAKERhave a problem, have a hard time with VR,
44:30SPEAKERlike get motion sick to varying degrees almost immediately.
44:37SPEAKERThese are all problems that the industry has to work on,
44:41SPEAKERjust to be clear.
44:45SPEAKERFeeling off is kind of vague,
44:47SPEAKERand it's hard for me to know exactly what you mean.
44:48SPEAKERIf you mean it didn't work for you,
44:50SPEAKERa lot of people have used VR and it doesn't work.
44:53SPEAKERI gave a demo one time to a woman
44:55SPEAKERwho didn't tell me that she was missing,
44:57SPEAKERshe had a glass eye,
45:00SPEAKERand so thus, she didn't have binocular vision,
45:03SPEAKERand also she got vertigo, so she was using tilt brush
45:07SPEAKERand immediately painted herself into a tiny, tiny box
45:10SPEAKERso she couldn't see anything,
45:11SPEAKERand without the outside perception,
45:14SPEAKERher inner ear was often, I had to catch her,
45:16SPEAKERshe literally was gonna beef it.
45:22SPEAKERI guess what I'm trying to say is,
45:23SPEAKERthere's an enormous, incredibly varied spectrum
45:27SPEAKERof human experience when it comes to vision
45:31SPEAKERand proprioception and balance
45:34SPEAKERand all these things that impact VR
45:37SPEAKERin a way that no other video games really do,
45:41SPEAKERand the only way you can find out
45:44SPEAKERif it's gonna work for you
45:45SPEAKERis to spend some time with it, unfortunately.
45:47SPEAKERSo if you're gonna buy a VR headset
45:48SPEAKERand you think you have concerns,
45:51SPEAKERat the same time, I have a lot of friends
45:53SPEAKERwho do VR stuff and quite enjoy it
45:56SPEAKERand have everything from lazy eyes
45:59SPEAKERto are legally blind in one eye,
46:02SPEAKERand you can continue doing it.
46:04SPEAKERIt's just, you lose a lot of the depth cues
46:06SPEAKERand you have to use other stuff instead
46:08SPEAKERthat binocular vision provides.
46:10SPEAKERSo yeah, you're in a world
46:12SPEAKERwith somewhere between 10 and 20% of people probably,
46:15SPEAKERwould be my guess.
46:17SPEAKERIt's not you, it's everyone, it turns out.
46:20SPEAKER- Sure.
46:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:22SPEAKER- It's just the frailty of the human condition.
46:24SPEAKER- Like, brains are weird.
46:26SPEAKERLike, everything is this spectrum,
46:28SPEAKERlike, this is the thing that became clear.
46:31SPEAKERI did, in 2015, 2016, I did a whole bunch of VR demos,
46:35SPEAKERand I have friends who've done similar things.
46:41SPEAKERSeeing people work with VR and see how it impacts them
46:45SPEAKERchanges your perception of,
46:48SPEAKERlike, we do not all, our brains and eyes
46:51SPEAKERand sensoriums do not all work the same,
46:53SPEAKERand that is really, really clear
46:55SPEAKERafter a relatively short number of those demos.
46:57SPEAKER- Sure.
46:59SPEAKERI wonder if you were to do all those demos today,
47:01SPEAKERI wonder if you would notice a significantly lower,
47:05SPEAKERI don't wanna say failure rate,
47:06SPEAKERbut, like, problem rate with different people's perception,
47:08SPEAKERjust given all the advances in headsets
47:11SPEAKERin the last, like, eight years.
47:13SPEAKER- Maybe, but I think that, like, for example,
47:17SPEAKERthe difference in depth perception
47:19SPEAKERwhen you use shadowing and kind of visual cues
47:22SPEAKERversus binocular vision hasn't changed,
47:25SPEAKERbecause, like, self-shadowing 3D characters
47:29SPEAKERstill pretty expensive on most raster pipelines.
47:32SPEAKER- Yeah, like, not a lot of ray-traced VR games yet.
47:34SPEAKER- Yeah, and the VR stuff is almost all raster still,
47:37SPEAKERbecause of performance reasons.
47:38SPEAKERI think the one thing, the motion sickness,
47:41SPEAKERlike, there was a, as the frame rates generally increased,
47:44SPEAKERthe motion sickness issues went way down,
47:47SPEAKERbut, again, that only helps the people
47:49SPEAKERwho are frame rate-sensitive motion sickness,
47:52SPEAKERnot the people who have depth perception issues
47:54SPEAKERand all those other things.
47:55SPEAKERSo, like, the VR folks have done a good job
47:59SPEAKERof carving off different, you know, different slices
48:03SPEAKERof the people that are affected by this stuff,
48:05SPEAKERbut there's still a huge mass of people who just,
48:08SPEAKERlike, hell, I don't wanna name any names,
48:12SPEAKERbut I have a friend who has consistently complained
48:15SPEAKERthat nobody, his head is large,
48:17SPEAKERand nobody, the VR headsets are never big enough
48:21SPEAKERto fit on his head and be comfortable,
48:23SPEAKERand it's not like he has what looks like,
48:24SPEAKERyou know, it's not like he has an enormous head
48:27SPEAKERwalking around on a tiny little body.
48:29SPEAKERHe's just a normal-looking guy who's big,
48:32SPEAKERand, like, the Oculus headsets have never fit him,
48:36SPEAKERbecause they make stuff for the top,
48:37SPEAKERfor the 90th percentile, not the 99th percentile.
48:40SPEAKER- Yes.
48:40SPEAKER- So, yeah, any time you're in the top 10th percentile
48:45SPEAKERof anything, you're gonna have problems.
48:46SPEAKER- I don't know why you just made me think
48:48SPEAKERof how much Dick Tracy villains leaned on
48:52SPEAKERwhat you're talking about.
48:53SPEAKER- Enormous melons? - Yes, or tiny face,
48:56SPEAKERor whatever.
48:57SPEAKER- Yeah, they all look like Charlie Kirk.
48:59SPEAKER- Yes, yes, indeed.
49:03SPEAKERI don't have the best answer,
49:05SPEAKERbut I would still like to address this from meatball here.
49:08SPEAKER- Okay, I like a meatball.
49:10SPEAKER- Maybe you have more experience with this.
49:12SPEAKERMy mother passed away about two years ago,
49:14SPEAKERand I've been intending to tackle scanning
49:16SPEAKERin the two-and-a-half Rubbermaid containers
49:18SPEAKERfull of old family photos and albums
49:20SPEAKERto make digital copies of everything.
49:23SPEAKERI found an app that lets me scan multiple photos at once
49:25SPEAKERcalled ScanSpeeder Pro,
49:28SPEAKERbut it's taking forever to put them all on the scanner
49:30SPEAKERand then add metadata, all the images,
49:32SPEAKERto capture things like who was in the picture,
49:33SPEAKERwhen it was taken, where, et cetera.
49:36SPEAKERHave either of you all dealt with anything like this,
49:38SPEAKERor have any thoughts or ideas
49:40SPEAKERthat might make this whole process any faster or easier?
49:42SPEAKER- So I've done a little bit of this.
49:44SPEAKERHave you delved into this yet, Brad?
49:46SPEAKER- No, but we, I mean, I probably will have to at some point.
49:50SPEAKERWe have got reams and reams of old physical photos of stuff
49:53SPEAKERat home.
49:55SPEAKER- I bought, before I went back east once,
49:57SPEAKERa little flat, a little portable flatbed scanner
50:00SPEAKERthat's like, that's sized for, I think, up to five by sevens,
50:05SPEAKERwhich is what most of the photos I would want to scan are.
50:09SPEAKERYou can just hold it up to a photo in a photo album, even.
50:12SPEAKERLike, you can open up the lid
50:13SPEAKERand just jam it up against there and line it up.
50:15SPEAKER- The tagging and stuff is hard.
50:20SPEAKERSo I didn't do person tagging,
50:24SPEAKERbut I also upload stuff to both Google and iCloud,
50:28SPEAKERand those kind of both handle that,
50:29SPEAKERif you give them the right cues and turn that on.
50:34SPEAKERI didn't, dates are hard.
50:36SPEAKERI generally, the way my family's photo albums are set up,
50:40SPEAKERwe don't often have dates.
50:42SPEAKERSo we have a fall of 1992, but not October 17th, 1992.
50:47SPEAKERAnd we didn't ever pay for,
50:50SPEAKERwe never had cameras that burned in the date on the front
50:53SPEAKERor the back of the photo,
50:54SPEAKERwhich I'm glad it wasn't in the front.
50:55SPEAKERI kind of wish it was on the back, it turns out.
50:58SPEAKERBut I would just scan them and then worry about the tagging.
51:02SPEAKERI wouldn't worry as much about tagging people,
51:04SPEAKER'cause that's a tractable, easy problem
51:05SPEAKERthat you can solve with computers.
51:07SPEAKERThe date stuff is what I would worry about.
51:08SPEAKERI would just batch them into folders
51:10SPEAKERbased on the page of the album they were in or something.
51:13SPEAKER- Yeah, just do your best.
51:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, you can even,
51:16SPEAKERso the thing I did last time was scan a bunch,
51:19SPEAKERand then I would take a picture of the album page
51:22SPEAKERthat had the date at the top of the album page,
51:24SPEAKERand all three photos so that I can go back and do it later
51:26SPEAKERif I am so inclined also.
51:30SPEAKER- I started to say this seems like a place
51:33SPEAKERwhere machine learning might be able to help over time
51:35SPEAKERas stuff like that gets better,
51:36SPEAKERbut I'm sure that's what Apple and Google
51:38SPEAKERare using on their end anyway already.
51:40SPEAKER- Yeah, absolutely.
51:41SPEAKER- But maybe locally, maybe like this app you're talking about
51:43SPEAKERlike you're gonna, maybe more local options
51:45SPEAKERare gonna start building stuff like that in as well.
51:47SPEAKERI mean, that like, we talked about this on "The Full Nerd"
51:50SPEAKERwhen I was on there with Adam and Alex Batalia
51:52SPEAKERa few weeks ago, like this seems like,
51:56SPEAKERI mean, AI obviously like a very hot button issue.
51:58SPEAKERLike this seems like an example
52:00SPEAKERof the good kind of use of AI though.
52:02SPEAKERLike there's like generative AI
52:04SPEAKERobviously is its own like fraud issue,
52:07SPEAKERbut I think of this as more
52:08SPEAKERof like a signal processing AI situation, you know?
52:11SPEAKER- Yeah, this is automating a tedious task
52:15SPEAKERthat I'm not gonna ever pay anybody to do.
52:17SPEAKER- Right, right.
52:20SPEAKERNor could you really, because you can't pay somebody
52:22SPEAKERto know who all your family, like your wide ranging members
52:25SPEAKERof your family from 40 years ago are.
52:28SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
52:29SPEAKERAnd it's worth saying, I think the Apple stuff doesn't run,
52:32SPEAKERit's not even cloud-based.
52:33SPEAKERI think the Apple stuff just runs locally.
52:35SPEAKER- Oh.
52:37SPEAKER- So yeah, I'm generally, like I'm generally a fan
52:41SPEAKERof the face recognition stuff on the photo services.
52:46SPEAKERThey are pretty expensive,
52:47SPEAKERbut also once you get them uploaded and tagged,
52:50SPEAKERyou can always pull the photos back
52:51SPEAKERoff the surface if you want.
52:52SPEAKER- Sure.
52:54SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:56SPEAKERIt's a big job.
52:57SPEAKERThe thing I will say is you should do it
52:59SPEAKER'cause the photos, A, if you have a flood or fire
53:02SPEAKERor something, some other, first off,
53:04SPEAKERI also, I'm sorry about your loss.
53:06SPEAKER- Yeah, condolences.
53:07SPEAKER- That's awful.
53:08SPEAKERBut yeah, don't wait to scan the photos
53:13SPEAKERuntil you have the perfect setup to scan the photos
53:16SPEAKERbecause you probably never get there and it's better to,
53:19SPEAKERlike once you have them in the machine,
53:20SPEAKERit's easier to fix them than it is
53:23SPEAKERto get them into the machine, I guess.
53:26SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.
53:30SPEAKERGosh, this is just reminding me, we should move on,
53:32SPEAKERbut it's reminding me of the old VHS home movies we have.
53:36SPEAKERThankfully, my parents did have them captured,
53:39SPEAKERgosh, 10 years ago.
53:40SPEAKERI may have talked about this before.
53:42SPEAKERThey sent them off in the mail to some service,
53:44SPEAKERbut looking at the, first of all, they're captured to DVD,
53:47SPEAKERso they're like MPEG-2 encoded.
53:50SPEAKERSo they're not the highest quality,
53:52SPEAKERbut they are at least okay.
53:54SPEAKER- I mean, they exist is the thing.
53:55SPEAKER- Right. - Yeah.
53:57SPEAKER- But I keep thinking about building one of those rigs
54:00SPEAKERthat lets you go straight into the RF taps on a VHS deck
54:05SPEAKERand recapturing them myself in the cleanest possible way,
54:08SPEAKERand I don't know if it's actually worth the effort or not.
54:10SPEAKER- How involved is that, do you know?
54:12SPEAKER- So there's the, is it pronounced Doomsday Duplicator?
54:15SPEAKERIt's spelled like Domesday Duplicator,
54:17SPEAKERbut I believe it's pronounced Doomsday.
54:19SPEAKER- I assumed it was Doomsday.
54:22SPEAKER- That is fairly pricey to set up.
54:26SPEAKERI think you might be able to get like a pre-made one
54:28SPEAKERfor like 250, $300,
54:31SPEAKERbut then you would also need a compatible VCR
54:32SPEAKERthat still works.
54:34SPEAKER- And it's a short list of VCRs, right?
54:37SPEAKER- I got the sense they're actually fairly easy to come by,
54:42SPEAKERbut it sounds like there's also a much cheaper solution,
54:44SPEAKERhardware solution now for doing it that I don't know.
54:47SPEAKERThe main thing that stopped me from getting into that
54:48SPEAKERis just, I don't know if there's a big difference in quality
54:50SPEAKER'cause obviously the point
54:51SPEAKERis to get the best possible quality
54:53SPEAKERfor these priceless home movies.
54:55SPEAKERBut yeah, I think there's another one you can build
54:58SPEAKERfor like less than a hundred bucks.
55:00SPEAKER- So for what it's worth having,
55:02SPEAKERI just took a bunch of VHS home movies
55:05SPEAKERand put them on a private YouTube channel
55:07SPEAKERfor family members.
55:09SPEAKERAnd the quality I got off of my old sharp stereo VHS recorder
55:14SPEAKERinto a modern capture card was pretty good.
55:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I might believe it.
55:21SPEAKER- You got the gist, right?
55:23SPEAKERIt's not like an archival version of the video,
55:26SPEAKERbut it was better than nothing.
55:28SPEAKERAnd actually a lot of the tapes had degraded to the point
55:31SPEAKERthat I don't think we would have been able to get
55:32SPEAKERmuch better off of them even with better gear.
55:34SPEAKER- That's kind of what's stopping me
55:35SPEAKERis these were recorded on a pretty primitive
55:38SPEAKERVHS camcorder to begin with.
55:40SPEAKERSo even at the time, the quality was not great.
55:44SPEAKERBut you know, the point of this thing
55:45SPEAKERis you're bypassing all of the video output hardware
55:47SPEAKERand whatever VSC or VCR you're using.
55:49SPEAKERSo it is the purest signal you can get.
55:51SPEAKERAnyway, that's perhaps a topic for another time.
55:55SPEAKER- That seems like we could do a whole episode on probably.
55:57SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
55:58SPEAKERI should maybe start looking at that again.
56:00SPEAKERThe other thing is the tapes are all back home
56:02SPEAKERand I'm certainly never putting those things
56:04SPEAKERin the mail again.
56:05SPEAKERSo I would have to do it while I'm there.
56:07SPEAKER- But you could set up the machine there
56:09SPEAKERand hook it up to your MacBook.
56:10SPEAKER- Yes, that is definitely true.
56:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
56:14SPEAKER- Here's an email from Stefan in Denmark.
56:17SPEAKERI have a three and a half year old daughter
56:18SPEAKERand I think she would really enjoy some very basic gaming.
56:21SPEAKERI find the iPad and phone apps
56:22SPEAKERpretty mind numbing and repetitive.
56:24SPEAKERI also think that the bright colors, weird messaging
56:26SPEAKERand distraction to YouTube are also not great.
56:30SPEAKERWill, when did your daughter start her first gaming
56:32SPEAKERand how did you start?
56:33SPEAKERI was thinking of maybe making a little retro console
56:36SPEAKERand maybe starting with some classic old games,
56:38SPEAKERbut it would be great to get your opinion.
56:40SPEAKER- So I tried that.
56:41SPEAKERI tried putting it on like Super Mario Brothers
56:43SPEAKERand it didn't, it was too hard.
56:47SPEAKER- Sure, yes.
56:48SPEAKER- So when they're that age,
56:49SPEAKERit's like some kids will take a challenge
56:51SPEAKERand some kids are not like, are like, well, this is boring
56:54SPEAKERand I suck at it so I'm gonna go do something else.
56:56SPEAKERShe's definitely in the latter category
56:58SPEAKERor at least was then.
57:00SPEAKERWe, so we did, I did a lot of co-op platformer stuff.
57:03SPEAKERSo like we played co-op Spelunky kind of a lot,
57:06SPEAKERwhich seems like a weird choice
57:07SPEAKERwhen I said that Super Mario Brothers was too hard,
57:10SPEAKERbut like it became like a gaming challenge
57:13SPEAKERfor me to help keep her alive
57:15SPEAKERdespite her best efforts to kill herself.
57:18SPEAKERThe other thing I did was Mario Maker.
57:25SPEAKERSo I would load up Mario Maker
57:27SPEAKERand we would take turns making levels for each other.
57:29SPEAKERSo I would make an easy level for her
57:31SPEAKERthat taught her how to jump over holes.
57:33SPEAKERLike if you've ever watched one of those documentaries,
57:35SPEAKERit's like, hey, look at how Super Mario Brothers 1-1
57:38SPEAKERteaches you to play Super Mario Brothers
57:40SPEAKERin the first like four minutes of you playing that game.
57:43SPEAKERI did that, right?
57:44SPEAKERLike I gave her one enemy that she had to jump over or stomp
57:48SPEAKERand then I gave her a wide enough group of enemies
57:50SPEAKERthat she had to stomp somebody.
57:51SPEAKERAnd so like I gradually taught her how to play that game
57:55SPEAKERand I would make levels that would be engaging in fun
57:58SPEAKERwithout being too, too hard.
58:00SPEAKERAnd then she would make nightmares
58:01SPEAKERthat were just hellish spam holes full of a million enemies
58:04SPEAKERand would cackle if I could get to the end of them.
58:11SPEAKERThe big thing is if they're never gonna like stuff
58:14SPEAKERthat you like if you push it on them, right?
58:18SPEAKERSo you have to like pay attention to what they're enjoying
58:22SPEAKERand what they're having fun with.
58:24SPEAKERAnd like I tried to get her to play Breath of the Wild
58:27SPEAKERor Link to the Past at some point.
58:29SPEAKERAnd like she was like, oh, this is cute.
58:33SPEAKERBut kids who grow up playing Minecraft and Roblox
58:36SPEAKERand things where you can build something
58:38SPEAKERand you can share it with your friends
58:39SPEAKERand like have a shared world that you walk around in
58:43SPEAKERare kind of underwhelmed by linear game experiences
58:47SPEAKERuntil they're old enough to appreciate a linear story, right?
58:50SPEAKERUntil they're old enough to like watch a two hour movie
58:52SPEAKERor watch an eight episode TV show and be like,
58:54SPEAKERoh man, I love what happened
58:55SPEAKERto the character development through this.
58:57SPEAKERAnd you have to be respectful and understanding of that.
59:01SPEAKER'Cause if you push them, they're gonna bounce off
59:03SPEAKERand you'll never have the desired outcome.
59:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I talked about this on Nextlander recently.
59:07SPEAKERI had that exact experience and was pretty humbled by it.
59:10SPEAKERI tried to, over the holidays,
59:12SPEAKERI thought my nephews would really be interested
59:15SPEAKERin Spider-Man 2 on the PS5.
59:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:18SPEAKER- They didn't even get past the intro
59:20SPEAKERbefore they were like, this is boring.
59:21SPEAKERWe want to go back to totally reliable delivery service.
59:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:25SPEAKER- Which is just a big open world improvisational,
59:27SPEAKERdumb physics thing.
59:29SPEAKER- But like so many of the games that kids play now
59:32SPEAKERare essentially about playing house or playing dolls
59:34SPEAKERor playing dress up or playing.
59:35SPEAKER- Kind of making up your own, doing what you want.
59:38SPEAKER- Like Toco World, which is one of the cute
59:41SPEAKERover bright iPad games is one of my absolute favorites.
59:43SPEAKERIt's kind of lousy with microtransactions,
59:45SPEAKERbut they aren't exploitative in a way that like,
59:48SPEAKERfor example, Roblox is.
59:50SPEAKERMaybe don't let your kids play Roblox also.
59:53SPEAKERBut Toco World gives people,
59:55SPEAKERit's essentially like digital doll houses
59:57SPEAKERwhere there's a hospital set and there's a school set
1:00:00SPEAKERand kids can role play and stuff like that.
1:00:03SPEAKERI think it's all single player,
1:00:04SPEAKERwhich is kind of the bummer on that side.
1:00:06SPEAKERBut for example, I bought my daughter the Sims
1:00:10SPEAKERand set her up with a couple of expansion packs
1:00:11SPEAKERand she plays some Sims,
1:00:13SPEAKERbut the fact that she can go through
1:00:15SPEAKERand build this big house and do a whole deal
1:00:18SPEAKERand she doesn't have a way to invite her friends into it
1:00:20SPEAKERto share that experience is like a complete deal breaker
1:00:23SPEAKERfor her, right?
1:00:25SPEAKERAt that point, she's not interested
1:00:26SPEAKERin investing the time and energy in it.
1:00:28SPEAKERAnd I get that, it's a different audience.
1:00:33SPEAKERBut yeah, and we do a lot of like,
1:00:36SPEAKERI pick something, she picks something, right?
1:00:38SPEAKERSo we'll play Fortnite one night
1:00:41SPEAKERand then she wants to play rounds
1:00:42SPEAKERor she wants to play something else.
1:00:44SPEAKERLike sometimes it's just about a place to be silly
1:00:46SPEAKERand have fun, which is also nice.
1:00:49SPEAKER- Those are good things to do.
1:00:50SPEAKER- Oh, and I forgot, during the pandemic,
1:00:52SPEAKERwe're doing it again this year 'cause it was great.
1:00:54SPEAKERWe did video game summer camp one year
1:00:56SPEAKERwhere I got, each day I had a different curriculum
1:00:59SPEAKERand like one day I got the Mr. Out
1:01:01SPEAKERand we played old NES and SNES games
1:01:03SPEAKERand we didn't play them for very long.
1:01:04SPEAKERWe played them for like maybe 20 minutes each
1:01:06SPEAKERand if she liked one, then we'd stick with it
1:01:08SPEAKERand play a little bit longer.
1:01:09SPEAKERBut we'd go through like the top five,
1:01:12SPEAKERmy top five or top 10 games from a couple of consoles.
1:01:15SPEAKEROne day was all motion control stuff.
1:01:17SPEAKERSo we did like Wii, I hooked up the Wii
1:01:20SPEAKERand I hooked up the Donkey Kong bongas
1:01:22SPEAKERand I hooked up Samba de Amigo, stuff like that.
1:01:25SPEAKERWe did a rhythm game day with Rock Band
1:01:28SPEAKERwhere we just had Rock Band set up
1:01:30SPEAKERand she played guitar and drums and sang songs
1:01:33SPEAKERand stuff like that.
1:01:35SPEAKERI can't remember the other two.
1:01:37SPEAKERI think we did a GameCube day maybe
1:01:39SPEAKERand then we played Halo the last day.
1:01:43SPEAKERSo when that happened, she was probably six or seven.
1:01:47SPEAKERBut like that gave her something to be excited about
1:01:51SPEAKERthat was not, that was like short enough timeframe
1:01:56SPEAKERthat if she wasn't into something,
1:01:57SPEAKERshe knew that it wasn't too long before the next thing
1:01:59SPEAKERthat she might be interested in.
1:02:00SPEAKERAnd some of it she really loved.
1:02:01SPEAKERShe really loved Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
1:02:03SPEAKERWho doesn't love Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
1:02:05SPEAKERwhen you are wailing on the maracas, the bongos?
1:02:08SPEAKER- Yes. - But yeah, anyway.
1:02:10SPEAKER- That's fun, that's a fun idea.
1:02:11SPEAKEROne last, oh sorry, go ahead.
1:02:13SPEAKERNo, she was too short for Samba de Migo, it turns out.
1:02:15SPEAKER- She'll get there. - Yeah.
1:02:17SPEAKER- One last thing I was gonna add here.
1:02:18SPEAKERIf you really are bent on doing some retro games,
1:02:21SPEAKERone thing that my nephews really liked
1:02:22SPEAKEReven when they were like four or five
1:02:24SPEAKERis like Rampage in particular is the game
1:02:27SPEAKERwe were gonna play, but I was gonna say arcade games,
1:02:28SPEAKERold arcade games in general.
1:02:30SPEAKER- Yeah. - I think the reason
1:02:31SPEAKERfor that is those games are designed to,
1:02:34SPEAKERas long as you keep pumping quarters in,
1:02:35SPEAKERjust let you keep going, you know?
1:02:37SPEAKERLike Dying and Rampage, if you've got more credits
1:02:39SPEAKERon the machine is nothing because you just respawn instantly.
1:02:41SPEAKER- Exactly. - And when you've got
1:02:43SPEAKERthose games in a format where you can just
1:02:45SPEAKERpump fake quarters into it endlessly,
1:02:46SPEAKERlike that kind of, even though those games are hard
1:02:49SPEAKERand designed to kill you constantly,
1:02:51SPEAKERyou know, beat 'em up, same thing.
1:02:52SPEAKERYou know, like anything where you can just hit the button
1:02:54SPEAKERand just come right back, even little kids
1:02:57SPEAKERwhere they're too hard or not gonna care probably.
1:02:59SPEAKER- The other end of that is that modern Nintendo platformers
1:03:04SPEAKERgenerally have like a little kid mode.
1:03:06SPEAKER- Yes. - So like Yoshi,
1:03:08SPEAKERall the Yoshis games, I think Super Mario Wonder has one.
1:03:11SPEAKER- It does, although it's a bummer
1:03:13SPEAKERbecause the easy characters don't get to do
1:03:15SPEAKERall the fun stuff, which is a terrible choice.
1:03:18SPEAKER- Yeah, they, like, I think I would go
1:03:19SPEAKERwith like the most recent Yoshi game,
1:03:21SPEAKERwhich was the Crafted World, I think.
1:03:25SPEAKERIt had a fantastic one 'cause she didn't realize
1:03:27SPEAKERthat she was getting an easy version of the game.
1:03:29SPEAKERJust when she fell down a hole, she would bounce back up.
1:03:32SPEAKERAnd it was great when she was little 'cause she did, like,
1:03:34SPEAKER'cause the thing is the kids don't wanna feel
1:03:36SPEAKERlike you're being, they're playing the easy,
1:03:38SPEAKERlike you're playing the hard one
1:03:39SPEAKERand they're playing the easy one.
1:03:40SPEAKERThey wanna feel like you're doing the same thing
1:03:41SPEAKERand you're doing the shared experience.
1:03:43SPEAKERSo it works really well in that.
1:03:45SPEAKERIt sucks, I didn't realize that the Super Mario one
1:03:48SPEAKERdid that, that sucks.
1:03:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the Yoshis and Nabbit can't use power-ups.
1:03:51SPEAKERThey can't like turn into the elephant and stuff.
1:03:53SPEAKERLike it's like, what are you doing?
1:03:54SPEAKER- Why would you do that?
1:03:56SPEAKERThat's a terrible choice.
1:03:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it really is.
1:03:59SPEAKEROkay, a couple more real quick here.
1:04:02SPEAKERDoug in Boston, "I'm moving next month into a house
1:04:05SPEAKER"with a half-finished basement.
1:04:06SPEAKER"I'm gonna have my PC on the finished half
1:04:08SPEAKER"and a workshop on the unfinished.
1:04:10SPEAKER"What I want is either to be able to use my PC
1:04:14SPEAKER"from both sides or just get a second system set up.
1:04:18SPEAKER"What would you guys suggest?
1:04:19SPEAKER"Long cables, some sort of wireless system, portals?"
1:04:25SPEAKER- It's hard to, like, what do you think he wants
1:04:27SPEAKERto do with the PC?
1:04:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess that is a question.
1:04:30SPEAKERLike what, especially what from the workshop,
1:04:32SPEAKERlike what from the remote end do you need
1:04:33SPEAKERto be able to do there?
1:04:34SPEAKERLike, do you just need like basic keyboard
1:04:36SPEAKERand mouse and monitor or, I guess that handles
1:04:39SPEAKERmost use cases, but.
1:04:41SPEAKER- Yeah, you can do, like there's KVM over ethernet set up
1:04:44SPEAKERso you can run 100 meters, no problem.
1:04:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:04:48SPEAKER- They're probably not great for gaming.
1:04:49SPEAKER- Right.
1:04:51SPEAKERYeah, like I guess if picture quality and latency
1:04:54SPEAKERare a concern, that makes things a little harder.
1:04:56SPEAKERIf you just need to be able to see what's on the screen
1:04:58SPEAKERand interact with it in a basic way,
1:04:59SPEAKERthen yeah, something like a KVM would be fine.
1:05:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but I think, what, HDMI can go up to five meters
1:05:04SPEAKERor something, depending on which version of HDMI it is.
1:05:07SPEAKERMaybe it's three meters.
1:05:08SPEAKER- My, I've got that 30 foot HDMI cable
1:05:11SPEAKERthat I want to say is a one point.
1:05:12SPEAKERIt's definitely pretty 2.0.
1:05:13SPEAKERIt's like 1.2, 1.4 or something like that.
1:05:17SPEAKERI forget what the previous HDMI versions were.
1:05:19SPEAKERThat one would just barely do about 30 feet
1:05:21SPEAKERand it's really heavy gauge cable.
1:05:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:24SPEAKER- Newer, like HDMI 2.1 is very short.
1:05:26SPEAKER- I think your issue with that HDMI at 30 feet
1:05:29SPEAKERis that you're gonna be,
1:05:30SPEAKERyour USB cables won't go that long.
1:05:32SPEAKER- Yeah, unless you get some kind of extender option
1:05:34SPEAKERfor those.
1:05:35SPEAKER- Yeah, or put a powered hub in the middle.
1:05:37SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess like USB repeaters are fairly reliable
1:05:41SPEAKERand not super expensive, right?
1:05:42SPEAKER'Cause I don't think there are way more expensive options
1:05:45SPEAKERfor turning USB into like, what, optical maybe, or?
1:05:49SPEAKER- Yeah, like data centers have KVMs that are optical, right?
1:05:53SPEAKERYou can spend, easily spend thousands of dollars on this
1:05:58SPEAKERif you want.
1:05:58SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:59SPEAKER- I mean, the other option is to set up
1:06:01SPEAKERlike a remote network or an RNC terminal on one end
1:06:06SPEAKERand just run ethernet there
1:06:07SPEAKERand remote desktop into the computer.
1:06:09SPEAKERAgain, probably not great for games,
1:06:12SPEAKERbut if you want like to have a USB device
1:06:15SPEAKERthat connects to a, like a CNC router or something
1:06:21SPEAKERin your workshop, then that totally works.
1:06:24SPEAKER- You know, Parsec actually would be pretty good.
1:06:26SPEAKERYou know, Parsec is game ready basically,
1:06:28SPEAKERlike especially on a local network.
1:06:29SPEAKER- That's true.
1:06:30SPEAKERCan you pass USB through Parsec though?
1:06:32SPEAKERCould you plug a game pad into the dumb end?
1:06:35SPEAKER- Yes.
1:06:36SPEAKER- Oh, you can, okay.
1:06:36SPEAKER- Yeah, you can fully interact with the remote end,
1:06:39SPEAKERwith keyboard files and controllers.
1:06:41SPEAKERSo yeah, like if you have whatever, I mean,
1:06:43SPEAKERobviously you're gonna have to have some kind of cheap
1:06:45SPEAKERterminal on the remote end, but you could run Parsec on that
1:06:50SPEAKERand that would probably work well.
1:06:51SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, kind of the other question
1:06:52SPEAKERis if you just want a computer for computering
1:06:55SPEAKERand not for like something heavy,
1:06:57SPEAKERlike games or video editing or whatever,
1:06:59SPEAKERthen honestly, like look at a $100 Beelink
1:07:02SPEAKERor Raspberry Pi or something like that
1:07:04SPEAKERand just set up a cheap dumb terminal, you know,
1:07:07SPEAKERset up a low power, low stakes that you can then, you know,
1:07:11SPEAKERuse Steam remote link or Parsec or whatever
1:07:16SPEAKERto remote into your big computer.
1:07:18SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:07:19SPEAKER- I think is maybe the easier,
1:07:21SPEAKERprobably is gonna be less fiddly and less prone to,
1:07:25SPEAKERdepending on, so here's the other thing,
1:07:28SPEAKERis if you're talking about putting a computer
1:07:29SPEAKERon one side of the wall and the monitor and keyboard
1:07:31SPEAKERand mouse on the other side of the wall,
1:07:33SPEAKERjust knock a hole in the wall and run a USB and HDMI cable
1:07:35SPEAKERthrough the wall, 'cause that's no problem.
1:07:37SPEAKER- Yes.
1:07:37SPEAKER- If you're talking about running at 30 feet, 40 feet,
1:07:41SPEAKERthen maybe buy a cheap computer to go on the other end.
1:07:44SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:07:46SPEAKERAll right, last question.
1:07:48SPEAKERIt's from Kate Bader.
1:07:49SPEAKER- Oh.
1:07:50SPEAKER- Did you know that the state mine inspector of Arizona
1:07:52SPEAKERis an elected position?
1:07:54SPEAKER- Look, democracy is working clearly.
1:07:56SPEAKER- I guess so.
1:07:58SPEAKER- I am--
1:07:59SPEAKER- I'm finding on a completely unrelated note,
1:08:01SPEAKERI'm happy to announce my candidacy
1:08:04SPEAKERfor the position of Arizona state mine inspector.
1:08:08SPEAKER- Arizona has 600 working mines
1:08:10SPEAKERand an estimated 120,000 abandoned mines.
1:08:14SPEAKER- Show what?
1:08:15SPEAKER- That has a lot of holes in the ground.
1:08:16SPEAKER- Dude, I mean, I guess to be fair,
1:08:19SPEAKERI guess the definition of mine is pretty flexible.
1:08:21SPEAKERLike it could be a very, very small hole
1:08:23SPEAKERand still be counted as a mine, but 120,000,
1:08:26SPEAKERI wouldn't have said there were 120,000 abandoned mines
1:08:29SPEAKERin the country, let alone one state.
1:08:32SPEAKER- The very, very small holes are yours, not mine.
1:08:34SPEAKER- Okay.
1:08:36SPEAKERSure.
1:08:37SPEAKER- They have four mine inspectors for 120,000.
1:08:39SPEAKERI'm not, I'm gonna say I don't ever wanna go
1:08:42SPEAKERinto mine in Arizona.
1:08:43SPEAKER- No, or anywhere.
1:08:44SPEAKER- That's my hot take here.
1:08:46SPEAKERReally, I would love to kind of go in a real mine.
1:08:49SPEAKER- I mean, okay, with proper protective gear, sure.
1:08:51SPEAKERI recently listened to the "Behind the Bastards" episodes
1:08:54SPEAKERabout the Hawks Nest mine disaster in West Virginia.
1:08:57SPEAKER- Is that the one where the ground's been burning
1:08:59SPEAKERfor 40 years?
1:08:59SPEAKER- No, no, this was, this is terrible, terrible stuff.
1:09:03SPEAKERLike they got really into the physiological aspect of,
1:09:06SPEAKERI can't remember what the condition is,
1:09:07SPEAKERbut where you inhale a lot of silica dust.
1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:09:11SPEAKER- And what silica particles do to your lungs
1:09:13SPEAKERis absolutely horrific.
1:09:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, that's kind of what it's called, it's bad.
1:09:19SPEAKER- It is, there's a name for that condition
1:09:21SPEAKERand I can't quite remember it off the top of my head,
1:09:23SPEAKERbut it was an awful, awful exploitative situation
1:09:26SPEAKERwhere a lot of people died because they were more or less
1:09:29SPEAKERpressed into mining in awful unsafe conditions.
1:09:34SPEAKERRegulations did come out of it, at least.
1:09:36SPEAKER- Well, that's something.
1:09:37SPEAKER- But after listening to that, I thought, you know,
1:09:40SPEAKERmaybe I won't visit any mines anytime soon.
1:09:43SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's the kind of thing that like,
1:09:47SPEAKERit's the kind of thing that you do once and you're fine,
1:09:50SPEAKERyou do every day for 40 years and you have a problem, right?
1:09:52SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:09:54SPEAKER- Mines are dangerous, holes in, big holes in the ground.
1:09:56SPEAKER- Pulmonary fibrosis is one of the things
1:09:57SPEAKERthat comes out of that,
1:09:58SPEAKERbut I think it's also silicosis is the other one.
1:10:00SPEAKER- Silicosis, that was the term, yes.
1:10:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:10:02SPEAKER- But mine's dangerous places, it seems.
1:10:06SPEAKER- Yeah, but also it's cool to go in holes in the ground,
1:10:08SPEAKERit turns out.
1:10:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true, you know.
1:10:11SPEAKER- I always wanted to go to one of those deep mine,
1:10:13SPEAKERlike one of those, like one of the detectors,
1:10:16SPEAKERone of the like the cosmic ray detectors
1:10:18SPEAKERdeep in a mine someplace in an abandoned mine.
1:10:19SPEAKERThat seems like it'd be really cool.
1:10:21SPEAKERAnyway, if you have access to abandoned science equipment
1:10:25SPEAKERin deep holes, let us know.
1:10:28SPEAKERThe email address is techpod@content.down.
1:10:30SPEAKER- We'll be there.
1:10:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we would like to see your holes,
1:10:34SPEAKERthat's what I'm saying right now,
1:10:35SPEAKERI'm gonna get that out there.
1:10:36SPEAKERAs always, we're not just amateur hole aficionados,
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1:10:43SPEAKER- True.
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1:11:31SPEAKERIt was ultimately, I think, fruitless,
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1:11:35SPEAKER- Understandable.
1:11:37SPEAKER- But then also, as I'm learning how to use this Model 100,
1:11:40SPEAKERI'm getting support and enthusiastic cheering on
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1:11:55SPEAKER- For sure, I was hanging out with a friend recently
1:11:57SPEAKERwho is going down a similar computing rabbit hole
1:11:59SPEAKERto what I've done over the last few years,
1:12:01SPEAKERlike getting really interested in Unix and shell scripting
1:12:04SPEAKERand maybe some light programming,
1:12:06SPEAKERbut is also really interested in assembly language
1:12:08SPEAKERat low level anyway.
1:12:09SPEAKERAnd I got to drop a bunch of facts
1:12:12SPEAKERthat I've learned from people on our Discord
1:12:13SPEAKERabout how compilers work and stuff like that.
1:12:15SPEAKER- Did you find out how aligned their under-desk mounts were?
1:12:18SPEAKER- Not yet, that's for later.
1:12:21SPEAKER- Okay.
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