00:00SPEAKEROkay, as you know, and I'm sure a good chunk of our audience also knows, I just completed
00:04SPEAKERanother stint at home at my parents' house in the house that I grew up in.
00:08SPEAKERThe winter 2023/2024 tour is complete. I saw the duck. I love the duck. The duck was there.
00:15SPEAKERThat's right. That's right. The duck is ever-present. The duck is always standing watch.
00:19SPEAKERLook, your watch may end, but the duck will be there.
00:23SPEAKERActually, I don't know if you know, there's actually like three ducks up there.
00:26SPEAKERI could see two. I can see two usually. I didn't know there was a third. This is revolutionary
00:30SPEAKERnew information for me.
00:31SPEAKERThere is a secret stealth duck up there.
00:33SPEAKERWow. I'm shocked.
00:35SPEAKERYeah. But you know what else is ever-present in that house, specifically in that basement.
00:41SPEAKERThat place I said to record is in the basement.
00:44SPEAKERYeah. Is this where you were at when you were like bad as a kid, or is this like a fun basement?
00:49SPEAKERYeah, the basement was not finished in those days. It was just a cement floor and like
00:52SPEAKERcinder block walls. So yes, it was a dungeon back then.
00:56SPEAKERNot now, that's the finished part of the basement, but there are still an unfinished storage
01:00SPEAKERarea.
01:01SPEAKEROoh.
01:02SPEAKERAnd what is ever-present down there is boxes upon boxes of old stuff.
01:05SPEAKEROh no.
01:06SPEAKERFrom decades, eons past.
01:09SPEAKERBrad, did you take a trip down memory lane?
01:11SPEAKERI started pulling out boxes and going through boxes.
01:14SPEAKERWow.
01:15SPEAKERI had to know. It's been years that I've been wondering what's in some of those boxes. So
01:18SPEAKERI started going through some stuff.
01:20SPEAKERYeah.
01:21SPEAKERI could fill a whole podcast with the weird stuff I found down there, but there's one
01:23SPEAKERthing in particular.
01:24SPEAKEROld school papers. You got any old school papers in there?
01:27SPEAKERDid you hear me talking about that on another podcast?
01:29SPEAKERNo, my mom saved old school papers too. She was like, "Hey, do you want your first grade
01:34SPEAKERprojects?"
01:35SPEAKERI was like, "No, I'm good. Thank you."
01:36SPEAKEROh, you're talking about like papers I wrote for class?
01:37SPEAKERYeah.
01:38SPEAKERI'm sorry. I thought you meant the school newspaper, which I also found about eight
01:41SPEAKERissues of that I worked on.
01:43SPEAKEROh, I was in a district that could afford a school newspaper. Are you kidding? A little
01:47SPEAKERreal. Anyway.
01:48SPEAKERI should have brought some of those with me because there's like, I covered Windows 95
01:51SPEAKERin there.
01:52SPEAKERWhat, really?
01:53SPEAKERYou wrote the, you wrote the Brad's high school review of Windows 95?
01:58SPEAKERI think I wrote an article about power toys in there actually.
02:01SPEAKEROh man.
02:02SPEAKEROriginal 1996 power toys.
02:04SPEAKERThat is the most on-brand shit I have ever heard.
02:06SPEAKERYeah. I reviewed the Nintendo 64 in one issue.
02:09SPEAKEROkay.
02:10SPEAKERI reviewed MechWarrior 2 in one issue.
02:13SPEAKERThis is all legit.
02:14SPEAKERI wrote about the internet.
02:16SPEAKERHmm.
02:17SPEAKERIn fact, I think, I think you can actually chart the course of, I think I wrote about
02:20SPEAKERBBSs at one point. And then like a few months later, I wrote about the internet as I was
02:24SPEAKERgaining access to these things in my own life.
02:26SPEAKERI think the last thing I wrote for a school paper was a, was a thing about how awesome
02:32SPEAKERa president was for our fourth grade newspaper. I chose Abraham Lincoln. He seems pretty cool.
02:38SPEAKERYeah. Okay.
02:39SPEAKERSo there you go.
02:40SPEAKERThat's a safe choice, I would say. Okay. I got to tell you what I actually found down
02:44SPEAKERthere.
02:45SPEAKERWhat'd you find? What's this hot stuff?
02:46SPEAKERThere's like a surprising amount of computer hardware scattered across these boxes. Like
02:49SPEAKERI may have mentioned before, I gave my mom approval to just e-waste our old computers
02:53SPEAKERthat were in the basement some years ago, which I regret infinitely, but apparently
02:57SPEAKERI had gutted a bunch of that stuff and saved it in boxes.
03:00SPEAKEROh boy.
03:01SPEAKERSo there's actually quite a bit of like, I found two old school AMD motherboards. There's
03:05SPEAKERlike a, and they're both a bit.
03:07SPEAKERLike like socket seven boards?
03:08SPEAKERYeah. Like one of them is a BH6, like the classic, I found it. Yeah. So that's not even
03:12SPEAKERthe thing I'm here to talk about, but I found an ABIT BH6 and also a KT7 down there.
03:17SPEAKEROh man.
03:18SPEAKERSo I found like a stack of video cards. I found my original Riva TNT, the first Nvidia
03:23SPEAKERTNT.
03:24SPEAKERWow. That was a bad video card.
03:26SPEAKERI found a dude at the time having only having to have one video card in the machine. It's
03:31SPEAKERa revelation.
03:32SPEAKERWait, the TNT was okay. It's the Riva 128 that was bad.
03:34SPEAKERYes.
03:35SPEAKERYeah. Yeah. The Riva 128 was a real POS.
03:36SPEAKERYes. The 128 was their first card. That one was questionable. The TNT was-
03:39SPEAKERIt was their second card, Brad.
03:41SPEAKERWait, was it?
03:42SPEAKERThe NV1 was their first card. It was really, it made the 128 look great.
03:47SPEAKERYes. I was extremely excited when I got the TNT. I found my original 3D effects card.
03:52SPEAKERIt was an Orchid Righteous 3D.
03:55SPEAKEROoh, that is one of the first, it was either that or a monster for most people, as I recall.
04:00SPEAKERThere's some kind of ASUS video card down there as well from the late, like maybe around
04:04SPEAKER2000, turn of the century. You know what? They should really write, they should really
04:08SPEAKERstamp the model of a video card on the PCB of that video card.
04:12SPEAKERIt's usually screen written on there somewhere. ASUS would have been doing Nvidia cards probably
04:16SPEAKERby that point. That would have been too late for rendition. It would have been too early
04:21SPEAKERfor AMD. Well, AMD never did third-party cards really at that point.
04:25SPEAKEROh my God. It just hit me. That might be my Geforce 256.
04:28SPEAKERIt could be a Geforce 256. They did Geforce 256s for sure.
04:31SPEAKERI bet that's what that is. I don't even think about that.
04:33SPEAKERDid it have an active cooler on it?
04:35SPEAKERNo. No. This was pre-fan, pre-active cooling.
04:37SPEAKERThat could have been a TNT2 then if you had, because Geforces all had active coolers, I
04:41SPEAKERthink.
04:42SPEAKERDid they?
04:43SPEAKERYeah.
04:44SPEAKERI think they turned the TNT1 to a Geforce 256 SDR. Anyway, I'm burying the lead here.
04:50SPEAKERI'm sorry. I was delighted to find all this old hardware because I thought it had all
04:55SPEAKERbeen purged. In one of those boxes, new inbox, retail packaging, factory shrink wrap, Celeron
05:04SPEAKER300A.
05:05SPEAKERWhat? Which one? The chip or the slot?
05:08SPEAKERIt's the slot one. Like the one everybody bought.
05:11SPEAKERWow. That's amazing.
05:13SPEAKERFull retail box, full everything. Never been opened. I have no idea why I had a spare one
05:17SPEAKERof those.
05:18SPEAKERDid you have a board that you could put it in? Probably not, right?
05:20SPEAKERNo. I definitely did not have a dual CPU board. I think something may have gone on where I
05:24SPEAKERbought an extra one for a friend because there was a run on them because it was like the
05:29SPEAKERoverclocking champ of all time. It was like everybody was buying them. Maybe I just thought,
05:32SPEAKER"Oh, I should get an extra one of these," because I had a lot of friends playing Quake.
05:35SPEAKERThey were like a hundred bucks. It was, you know, yeah.
05:39SPEAKERI don't know what happened, but anyway, I've got this brand new Celeron 300A. Never been
05:43SPEAKERout of the packaging. What am I going to do with it?
05:45SPEAKERSo that is a mainline enough processor that somebody like the Computer History Museum
05:49SPEAKERprobably doesn't want it or care.
05:51SPEAKERSure.
05:52SPEAKERBut man, that is a classic.
05:55SPEAKERI'll mention, I also found a Pentium II in a box somewhere. Also, the cartridge, the
05:59SPEAKERslot.
06:00SPEAKERIt's like a Pentium II, III, 300 or something probably.
06:02SPEAKERProbably. Was that a slot one? Was that the name of it?
06:04SPEAKERSlot one, SL2. Yeah. Slot one, Pentium IIIs. Pentium IIIs and IIIs were in the same slot
06:10SPEAKERand then they transitioned to sockets around the time it hit 450 MHz. So you could get
06:14SPEAKERan ether flavor for a while.
06:16SPEAKERSame thing happened with the Celerons. The BP6s were dual socket boards, I think, not
06:23SPEAKERslot boards. The BP6 was famously the dual Celeron motherboard, where you could make
06:29SPEAKERthe stupidest, one of the best, stupidest machines of all time, which was a dual overclocked
06:34SPEAKERCeleron 300A.
06:35SPEAKERGod, that sounds so awesome.
06:39SPEAKERIn terms of computers I've had that have been stable, it's a bottom 10 percentile, for sure.
06:44SPEAKERI was just about to ask how well that thing ran.
06:48SPEAKERIt was fine. The biggest problem was that you were running Windows NT4 and the sound
06:53SPEAKERdrivers were not designed for multitask. People assumed that if you were running a multi-CPU
06:59SPEAKERsystem back then, you didn't have any sound in the computer, probably. So Creative Lab
07:04SPEAKERsound drivers were real unstable any time you tried to do anything that involved playing
07:10SPEAKERa sound.
07:11SPEAKERYes. Back in the dangerous days when any driver could bring the entire machine down.
07:16SPEAKERIt was the kind of thing where you'd load a web page that had a MIDI thing in it and
07:19SPEAKERall of a sudden the computer would freeze and it would be cool for a second and then
07:22SPEAKERit would freeze again and then it would blue-screen. You'd be like, "Well, can't go to that web
07:25SPEAKERpage."
07:26SPEAKERYup. Yup.
07:27SPEAKERAnyway-
07:28SPEAKERThat's amazing.
07:29SPEAKERYeah. Trying to decide what to do with that Celeron.
07:31SPEAKERDid you bring it back with you?
07:32SPEAKERNo. It's still there. It's pretty bulky. It's a decent size in the box.
07:38SPEAKERThat's the kind of thing if you had, say, a shelf behind you with some stuff on it,
07:41SPEAKERyou could put on that shelf and then it would be a cool thing to show.
07:45SPEAKERYeah. That's not the worst plan for that thing because so far the only plan I've come up
07:48SPEAKERwith is to leave it in the box in the basement where I found it.
07:52SPEAKERYeah. You need a shadow box. Something to display it. Show a little bit of your heritage.
07:58SPEAKERTons from my life. Yes. It's my culture.
08:20SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod. I'm Will.
08:33SPEAKERI'm Brad.
08:34SPEAKERHello.
08:35SPEAKERHi. Hello. Hi. Hi. Hello.
08:36SPEAKERGreetings.
08:37SPEAKERBrad, we're back to my least favorite, favorite time of year.
08:41SPEAKERWell, it's less least favorite now that you don't have to go, right?
08:45SPEAKERIt's the second week in January, which means it's time once again to journey into the festering
08:50SPEAKERhellhole that is CES.
08:52SPEAKERYou literally wrote that in the notes here. CES is still a festering hellhole.
08:57SPEAKERYep. Title sorted too. So we got that knocked out already.
09:01SPEAKERBut yes, I was talking to our friend Adam from PC World back in, gosh, it was like late
09:06SPEAKERin November, I guess. Mid-November, I think was when I was talking to him about this.
09:09SPEAKERHe was already in the throes of planning the CES trip and meetings and stuff. And good
09:15SPEAKERGod, man, like having to go to a trade show like a week after you're back at work from
09:19SPEAKERthe holidays.
09:22SPEAKERIf you don't have your stuff planned before you go home for the holidays, you've ruined
09:25SPEAKERyour holidays because you're going to have to do it over the holiday break. The thing
09:28SPEAKERI will say, it's bad for a multitude of reasons. One is that it's in Las Vegas. And unlike,
09:33SPEAKERsay, E3, where all of the convention halls are within a 10-minute walk of each other.
09:40SPEAKERAt Vegas for CES, they're a 30-minute bus ride, and it can be more based on traffic.
09:45SPEAKERSo there's three or four convention halls, and then stuff spread out at every other hotel
09:49SPEAKERin town. So if you plan poorly, you can be literally three hours late to a meeting really
09:54SPEAKEReasily.
09:55SPEAKER- Oh God, I never thought about that. I was the person who booked the E3 meeting schedule
09:59SPEAKERfor the whole time we were going to E3. But there, yeah, like you said, I'd say tops 10
10:05SPEAKERminutes to get from one end to the other to a meeting if it was all the way on the other
10:09SPEAKERside. I can't even imagine having to figure out the logistics of all the hotels spread
10:13SPEAKERaround everywhere.
10:14SPEAKER- There are areas of LVCC, which is the Las Vegas Convention Center, that are a 30-minute
10:20SPEAKERwalk from other areas of that complex. It's so big. They have a West Hall that's double
10:25SPEAKERlayers and it's like a quarter of a mile to the back of the thing. If you're all the way
10:30SPEAKERin the back of it and you need to get to the furthest away part of the furthest away hall,
10:36SPEAKERwith normal convention foot traffic, it can take 20 or 30 minutes to get there, just walking.
10:41SPEAKERIt's an awful planning exercise. So that's bad.
10:45SPEAKER- That's intense.
10:46SPEAKER- Yeah. The hours are bad because in addition to the trade show stuff, there's also every
10:52SPEAKERsingle night there's five different events where they take over a ballroom in the MGM
10:57SPEAKERsomeplace and they fill it with all the crap from people who didn't want to pay for real
11:00SPEAKERCES booths, but wanted to be present for the week of CES. And that stuff is, sometimes
11:06SPEAKERit's really good. We saw USBC there for the first time. But also there's a lot of crap
11:12SPEAKERin there.
11:13SPEAKER- It's like the Kentia Hall E3 thing. It's like going there. Sometimes you get Guitar
11:18SPEAKERHero when nobody's ever heard of it before. 99% of the time you get the rest of the crap.
11:24SPEAKER- So on top of all that, the scale of products is everything from the newest thing from Samsung
11:31SPEAKERand LG and people who actually make real products, all the way down to companies that make real
11:38SPEAKERproducts but also make some fake products to psych out their competition. And then there's
11:44SPEAKERjust like, "Hey, man, I had $10,000 in a dream, and I made something real weird, and I'm bringing
11:50SPEAKERthat." It's all there, and there's just miles and miles and miles and miles of stuff. You're
11:58SPEAKERgoing for 20 hours a day. There's a bunch of bad press conferences on the first day
12:03SPEAKERor two that make the Imagine the World guy from E3 that year look like the best presenter
12:12SPEAKERyou've ever seen. It's exhausting, and almost all of it is bad. Most of the people who cover
12:19SPEAKERit are kind of bad at covering this kind of thing. They're just like, "Man, everything's
12:23SPEAKERreally cool!" And I'm going to go tell you, any time you see somebody say, "Everything
12:26SPEAKERI've seen at CES was really cool," they are liars. There's always trends. This year, it
12:33SPEAKERseems like, was a big year for connected sex toys, which is a weird thing to showcase on
12:39SPEAKERa trade show floor just in the first place. It's a very weird show, and it's pretty hard
12:49SPEAKERto cover well. It's a genuinely awful... Sorry, I don't mean to be a bummer about this, but
12:57SPEAKERanyway, CES kind of sucks.
13:00SPEAKERWell, hey, on the upside, you don't have to be there anymore.
13:02SPEAKERYeah, I don't have to go. There's a few good things every year. That's the unfortunate
13:05SPEAKERpart of the whole thing. We're going to do something a little bit weird this year. Should
13:09SPEAKERwe just tell them what we're going to do?
13:10SPEAKERYeah, go for it.
13:12SPEAKEROkay.
13:13SPEAKERI want to hear it, too, because I'm not sure if Steven's still got quite the best handle
13:17SPEAKERon it.
13:18SPEAKERWe've got a great show for you tonight. We're going to talk about the things that we actually
13:25SPEAKERthought were cool, the handful of things, five or six things. Then, we went through
13:30SPEAKERand found all the stupidest stuff we could find, and we also made up some things. We're
13:36SPEAKERgoing to take turns giving each other a rundown of a few things, and then the other person
13:41SPEAKERhas to pick out the one that they think is fake.
13:44SPEAKERStarting out with fake CES products, whether they're real shippable products or just tech
13:48SPEAKERdemo concept bullshit, way harder than you think. If you can dream up something stupid,
13:54SPEAKERodds are somebody has already brought it to CES.
13:56SPEAKERIt has a name and a trademark. I had two things that I was like, "This can't possibly be a
14:03SPEAKERthing that somebody would think is a good idea." Sure enough, maybe not the CES, but
14:07SPEAKERin past CESes, they existed. Anyway, we'll do that later. Let's end the show.
14:14SPEAKERThe first thing, let's run down the big tech stuff. Nvidia had some stuff that they announced
14:20SPEAKERearly in the show. There's new high refresh rate G-Sync stuff. Basically, they're doing
14:29SPEAKERmore dead frames on both the backlight and the screen to increase the contrast and reduce
14:35SPEAKERthe blur, even on high refresh rate monitors, which sounds pretty good.
14:39SPEAKERBarker, the Pulsar, I believe, is the name for that stack, which I guess is an addition
14:45SPEAKERto G-Sync. It's now part of the G-Sync standard.
14:48SPEAKERKline: Yeah. G-Sync is weird. It started out as a thing that you had to have a chip in
14:53SPEAKERthe displays to work with. G-Sync basically syncs up the frame buffer in the video card
14:58SPEAKERwith the display refresh on the monitor, is the short, short version.
15:02SPEAKERYeah. It was the original variable refresh, right? Before standardized versions of that
15:07SPEAKERcame out, both AMD FreeSync and also the RR that's part of the HDMI 2.1 spec. To further
15:14SPEAKERmuddy the waters for people who don't know, Nvidia will refer to monitors as G-Sync compatible
15:19SPEAKERthat are actually FreeSync. FreeSync is the open AMD-backed standard, and so monitors
15:26SPEAKERusing that standard that work with Nvidia cards, Nvidia will call those G-Sync compatible,
15:32SPEAKERnot FreeSync. But it's more complicated than that, because
15:38SPEAKERthere's some G-Sync compatible FreeSync monitors and some FreeSync monitors that are not G-Sync
15:42SPEAKERcompatible is why they do that, I think. Anyway.
15:45SPEAKERYeah, they do have an approved list. The HCL or something, yeah.
15:50SPEAKERYeah, like here are the ones that we officially say will work.
15:54SPEAKERSo anyway, the upshot on this is it syncs the pixels to the backlight strobing, and
15:58SPEAKERthey can do it at a really high refresh rate. It seems like the kind of thing you have to
16:02SPEAKERsee in person. The folks who I trust to look at stuff who were there seem to think it was
16:08SPEAKERpretty cool, like the Blurbusters folks and those people. It's not shipping until later
16:15SPEAKERthis year, so I'll be interested to see when it comes out. I'm sure we'll talk to our friends
16:19SPEAKERthere and try stuff out. Yeah. Just to clarify, the underlying technology,
16:24SPEAKERI don't know if you can speak to why this works in terms of cognition and perception,
16:29SPEAKERor if it has something to do with the way your eyes work or what, but strobing the backlight
16:32SPEAKERof the monitor helps to reduce blur. Is that correct? You're essentially turning the backlight
16:38SPEAKERoff and on at an incredibly high rate. Is that correct?
16:42SPEAKERSo this is one of those things that's really complicated. We should probably do a whole
16:44SPEAKERepisode about it at some point, if we think it's interesting. But my understanding is
16:48SPEAKERthat turning the backlight off and on helps juice the chemistry of the rods and the cones
16:55SPEAKERin your eyes, so that you get more clear perception on each individual frame than you would otherwise.
17:06SPEAKERThe weird thing about all of this stuff is, it seems like we're doing an incredible amount
17:09SPEAKERof work to basically mimic what CRTs gave us for free.
17:12SPEAKERI've absolutely had that thought looking at this. We were bending over backwards three
17:17SPEAKERtimes over to just do the thing that used to just come free with the display technology.
17:22SPEAKERYeah. At some point, it might just be easier to make really skinny CRTs.
17:26SPEAKERYeah. That's actually something I've thought about that mini LED TV I bought as well, because
17:31SPEAKERat the end of the day, it's still LCD with all of the inherent drawbacks of LCD. They're
17:36SPEAKERjust doing all this crazy, very high precision backlight trickery to try to help with contrast
17:43SPEAKERissues. But did you see that... Let me not go off on a tangent here. Did you see that
17:48SPEAKERSony is moving to mini LED as their flagship screen next year?
17:52SPEAKERThat makes sense.
17:53SPEAKERFrom OLED?
17:54SPEAKEROh, not micro LED, mini LED, mini backlight with a refresh rate?
18:02SPEAKERI got the sense it's more because of brightness, because brightness is the one area where mini
18:06SPEAKERLEDs absolutely just kick the shit out of OLED as they can become dramatically brighter.
18:12SPEAKERIt's interesting. There was a lot of esoteric but interesting things happening in displays
18:18SPEAKERin general. There's a lot more high refresh rate OLEDs, which seem to be more effective
18:24SPEAKERat blur reduction than LCDs because of this backlight strobing thing. The OLEDs obviously
18:30SPEAKERare generating light themselves, so when they turn the pixels on and off very fast, then
18:35SPEAKERthe light turns off as well. The answer to all of this stuff is, is it's complicated?
18:43SPEAKERIs it strictly necessary? Probably not. Is it going to look better than the old ones?
18:47SPEAKERAlmost certainly. I don't know. I'm interested to see the new round of TVs when they're out
18:52SPEAKERlater this year. All this stuff will ship in June, for the most part, on these displays
18:56SPEAKERand TVs. There's some stuff that's coming out earlier.
18:59SPEAKERThis is the stuff that NVIDIA is doing with the Pulsar stuff in particular. To be clear,
19:04SPEAKERall it seems to be doing that I gathered from this is that it's marrying the control of
19:09SPEAKERthe strobing to all the other parts of the display stack that G-Sync handles, such as
19:14SPEAKERthe variable refresh. G-Sync is tracking what's the frame rate and how do we sync the refresh
19:20SPEAKERof the monitor to that frame rate. It seems like they're also now incorporating the strobing
19:24SPEAKERinto that chain, where everything is aligned.
19:27SPEAKERWhereas previously, the firmware of the display would have handled that when there was a dark
19:30SPEAKERpixel that would turn the screen down.
19:33SPEAKERThat makes me think maybe there'll be a shift back toward G-Sync for some people. FreeSync
19:38SPEAKERis fine for the basics, for basic variable refresh, but this sounds high tech enough
19:45SPEAKERand bespoke enough that I wonder if people will start taking another look at G-Sync monitors,
19:50SPEAKERwhich are generally more expensive.
19:53SPEAKERIt has a dedicated NVIDIA chip. It has to have the dedicated NVIDIA chip in it for this
19:56SPEAKERnew stuff to work, so it's going to be more expensive than a non-dedicated NVIDIA chip
20:01SPEAKERin there. I'm curious to see it. Presumably, it won't be shipping on any OLED stuff, because
20:07SPEAKERthe OLEDs don't have a backlight, and don't have the backlight pulsing strobing is a problem.
20:13SPEAKERI don't know. We'll see. There'll be more on that when they actually ship hardware.
20:20SPEAKERIt's one of those things that you want to actually test in person. Looking at videos
20:23SPEAKERof it and watching, "This is the stuff we miss by not going to see that in a $23 corned
20:30SPEAKERbeef sandwich." That's actually a pretty good corned beef sandwich, but $23 is a lot.
20:34SPEAKERAnyway, they also announced 4,000 Super cards.
20:38SPEAKERBarker, that must have been rumored for what feels like months at this point.
20:41SPEAKERHill: Yeah. It seems like they hit a better spot with pricing and memory configs on most
20:47SPEAKERof them. I think the low-end one is a $6,000 4070 Super. Is that right?
20:52SPEAKERBarker, $6,000.
20:52SPEAKERI'm sorry, $600. 4070 Super. $6,000 would be a lot. 12GB of RAM on the 4070 Super, 16GB
21:04SPEAKERon the 4070 Ti Super, which is a bad name, and the 4080 Super. It looks like maybe they
21:13SPEAKERhit the price in RAM points that they should have hit on the first wave of these cards.
21:18SPEAKERYeah. I wonder what drove that because it felt like when the 40, or was it the 30 or
21:23SPEAKERthe 40 cards where Jensen Huang effectively was just like, "Hey, this is the new price
21:28SPEAKERof GPUs. Get used to it." Now they've kind of backpedaled a little bit because to be
21:31SPEAKERclear, these cards are not dramatically faster than the regular versions that they're replacing,
21:36SPEAKERbut they are faster and they're cheaper. Fundamentally, they are faster and also cheaper. That feels
21:43SPEAKERlike a little bit of a backpedaling from their stance on pricing.
21:47SPEAKERThe mid-season refresh is always where they make the adjustment. My guess is the GPU market
21:56SPEAKERhas been a little soft this year. The desktop GPU market has been soft. They're probably
22:02SPEAKERtrying to juice those numbers a little bit, would be my guess. In reality, there's a lot
22:07SPEAKERof people that are out there on 2080, 2070 cards and are probably waiting, and the first
22:13SPEAKERwave of these cards were too expensive. Maybe we can reduce the price a little bit more
22:18SPEAKERand capture a little bit more of that old market back before they go to AMD, who also
22:21SPEAKERannounced new cards at CES.
22:23SPEAKERI don't know if you said it, but just to illustrate the point, the regular 4080 I believe is $1200,
22:28SPEAKERand the 4080 Super is $1,000 now.
22:32SPEAKERThe price in stores after it's been out for a while is $1200 still, and the MSRP on these
22:38SPEAKERis grand. It'll be interesting to see if they actually ship at the MSRP, because new video
22:46SPEAKERcards haven't shipped at the MSRP for a minute.
22:48SPEAKERThat's fair. That is fair.
22:50SPEAKERAMD announced a new range of 7,000 mid-series, mid-range cards. It's the same story. It's
22:55SPEAKERfaster, better, slightly cheaper across the board. There were a bunch of weird, transparent
23:04SPEAKERTVs from Samsung and LG, especially. Samsung had a micro-LED one that looked like a thick
23:12SPEAKERpiece of plexiglass from the side. I think they explicitly said, "This isn't a real product.
23:19SPEAKERThis is just a tech demo." But it looked pretty cool, micro-led. It looked like a piece of
23:24SPEAKERglass with pictures inside it. I don't know.
23:26SPEAKERIt looked awesome. I have no practical use for a transparent TV.
23:30SPEAKERIt seems like it would be a terrible way to watch TV, actually.
23:34SPEAKERI am just excited to see micro-LEDs still appearing at CES. There are shipping products.
23:39SPEAKERWe talked about that a few months ago. They are in the five- to six-figure range still,
23:44SPEAKERbut there are micro-LED TVs available for purchase. It's nice to see them sticking with
23:50SPEAKERthis display technology, because it feels like before OLED caught on, it felt like there
23:54SPEAKERwas one radical new display tech after another that got a lot of press at CES and then never
24:00SPEAKERactually came to market. Remember SED, S-E-D?
24:02SPEAKERIt took OLED 10 years to go from weird tech demo to something you could actually buy.
24:07SPEAKERTo be fair, OLED is great. If OLED was the thing for the next 10 or 15 years, that's
24:12SPEAKERprobably not the worst thing in the world. There are things to improve on with it. It's
24:17SPEAKERnice to see them continuing to push even better stuff and not have that just die on the vine.
24:22SPEAKERThere were a handful of cheaper micro-LED TVs available this year. People were talking
24:30SPEAKERabout the contrast ratios all being really good because the micro-LEDs get really bright.
24:35SPEAKERThat was cool. LG had a thing that they claim they're going to sell. I don't think they
24:40SPEAKERreally will, because it looks very stupid and also very cool. But it looked like a skinny
24:44SPEAKERfish tank. I don't know if you looked at pictures of this.
24:47SPEAKERIt looked like it was about four or five inches thick, but a clear box that was four or five
24:53SPEAKERinches thick and had an OLED screen on one side, and then a dark shutter on the back
24:59SPEAKERthat could close off the sides in the back so that it would look like a more traditional
25:03SPEAKERTV when you flip that on. It's basically an OLED that looked kind of crazy. A, it's going
25:16SPEAKERto be more expensive. They say they're going to sell this. It's going to be more expensive
25:20SPEAKERthan a comparable flagship OLED. So, you're going to spend more money and get something
25:25SPEAKERthat kind of sucks compared to the good one. But it does look really cool. There's videos
25:29SPEAKERon the Verge site of it actually working in effect. When you run it with the back darkener
25:37SPEAKERoff -- it's a whole different language here -- when the back darkener's off, it looks
25:42SPEAKERlike the picture's floating inside the tank almost. Which was a neat effect. I don't know
25:47SPEAKERif it's worth more money than a flagship OLED is, but there you are.
25:52SPEAKERThen, Samsung has a new super-duper anti-glare OLED screen that they showed with a crazy
25:59SPEAKERbright light right next to it. But it still doesn't support Dolby Vision, so people who
26:04SPEAKERreally care about TVs probably aren't going to care too much.
26:08SPEAKERWe've talked about this. I haven't gone through basically two rounds of TV selection and purchasing
26:13SPEAKERrecently for my parents and then myself. Regular HDR is great, but it seems like it would be
26:21SPEAKERhard for me to commit that kind of money to something that does not support a standard
26:25SPEAKERas pervasive as Dolby Vision at this point. It's starting to seem really egregious that
26:30SPEAKERthey have not buckled on this.
26:31SPEAKERI brought up the Samsung anti-glare OLED just because I wanted to take a shot at Samsung
26:35SPEAKERbecause I assumed that if they were going to revert and admit defeat here, this would
26:41SPEAKERbe the time to do it. But maybe next year.
26:43SPEAKERMaybe. Maybe. Because based on my research and also I went to Best Buy and looked at
26:47SPEAKERa bunch of screens in person. Samsung's OLEDs, they're pretty early on. They're only on their
26:51SPEAKERsecond year of OLEDs. They look incredible. They've got pretty significant brightness
26:56SPEAKERadvantages over most of the LGs on the market. They're doing some really interesting stuff
27:02SPEAKERwith OLED now that they're in that market. But no Dolby Vision. And also some of the
27:08SPEAKERaudio stuff I believe also is kind of lacking as well. Like it's just really hamstringing
27:13SPEAKERyour own otherwise seemingly excellent product here.
27:16SPEAKERA lot of 3,000 nit TVs on the market as well.
27:20SPEAKERThat's a lot of, that's a lot of nits. That's my, mine, this mini lead I got, what did I
27:25SPEAKERsay?
27:26SPEAKERProbably a thousand at most is pretty much what last year's were.
27:28SPEAKERI think 1,500 is what mine will do. That's very bright.
27:31SPEAKERYeah.
27:32SPEAKER1,500 is very bright. I can't imagine double that.
27:35SPEAKERLook, we're going to reach a point soon where you're advised to not look at your TV when
27:38SPEAKERit's on maximum brightness. And is that, do you have any idea if that scale is linear
27:44SPEAKERor not?
27:45SPEAKERI have no idea how nits work. I don't remember. I had to take that. I learned that 20 years
27:49SPEAKERago and it's gone now.
27:50SPEAKEROkay. I also have no idea, but I wonder if, is 3,000 nits like literally double 1,500
27:56SPEAKERor is there some fall off the higher you get or something? I don't know. We should, that's
28:00SPEAKERanother thing to research, I suppose.
28:03SPEAKERWell, so the, the problem is that the human eye is not there. Your response to light is
28:07SPEAKERnot linear, but the scale probably is. So anyway, last thing that I thought was cool
28:14SPEAKERthat's coming out is ChiTu, which is the wireless charging standard that they've added. Apple
28:21SPEAKERbasically gave them the MagSafe, you know, smart locking magnetic connector that goes
28:27SPEAKERon the back of newer iPhones. And it's, it's basically that they're coming out now, you're
28:34SPEAKERgoing to get MagSafe like lock on, it's available to Android and other devices. And the new
28:40SPEAKERpower spec is 15 Watts versus five Watts for the, for the first version. So it's basically
28:45SPEAKERMagSafe two in an open or MagSafe in an open standard, which is dope.
28:50SPEAKERThat's awesome. That's, you know, there, I mean, there are some, I think we've talked
28:53SPEAKERabout this recently a little bit with like aftermarket Apple watch chargers, I think,
28:56SPEAKERI think we talked about that on the show. Yeah, we did. That was a short conversation,
29:00SPEAKERbut there's so many janky ones out there. Like the, the no name, no name chargers that
29:05SPEAKERhave magnetic charging in them. Like, you know, they don't align well or the magnets
29:09SPEAKERare strong enough or whatever watch gets really hot when you use it or yeah. Right. So, so
29:13SPEAKERfor like both for, for like an energy wasting, you know, because if the, if the coils are
29:17SPEAKERnot aligned well, you're wasting a bunch of energy, which is wasteful, but also like you're
29:20SPEAKERheating up your device, which is bad for a battery, et cetera, et cetera. Like it would
29:24SPEAKERbe nice for all, like the, the just general, like the rising tide to lift quality of all
29:29SPEAKERof that stuff, even the cheap stuff that's out there.
29:32SPEAKERJust to be clear, this is only for phones. This isn't for watches. The watch charger
29:35SPEAKERis still proprietary thing on the Apple watch side, at least, or seems like a good step
29:40SPEAKERin that direction. Yeah. And well, and it's nice cause it means you have like phone mounts
29:44SPEAKERin the car that the phone just clicks clips on magnets onto in your, and you don't have
29:48SPEAKERto worry about like clamping it in or whatever. So, yeah. Can I, can I jump in with one more
29:53SPEAKERbullet point about screens before we move on to the dump stuff? Yeah. What do you got?
29:57SPEAKERDid you see that there is some nano led stuff that started to show up at CES? No, I miss
30:03SPEAKERthat. I was not even aware of nano led as a technology. Apparently like I'm, I was just
30:07SPEAKERlooking over it before this and hesitated to bring it up, but I guess I will. We talked
30:11SPEAKERabout it last year briefly. Nano led, if I understand like you're familiar with quantum
30:15SPEAKERdots, like you see people talking about like QDO leads and is a Samsung that uses Q led
30:20SPEAKERas a brand name. Samsung likes quantum dots a lot. Yeah. Right. And generally so far that's
30:25SPEAKERbeen like a quantum dot layer over top of whatever other screen technology, be it OLED
30:29SPEAKERor LCD or whatever. Yeah. And it's a, it's a thing where like something else illuminates
30:32SPEAKERa pixel and then the quantum dot makes it way brighter or something. Is that right?
30:35SPEAKERSo my, my quick understanding, and we'll just move on from this cause it's too early to
30:38SPEAKEReven be worth really talking about yet, but my understanding of nano led is that that's
30:42SPEAKERthe quantum dots like being fed by current directly and emitting light directly and not
30:48SPEAKERhaving them just be a bolt on, on top of some other screen technology. So somebody's showing
30:51SPEAKERdemo demo devices, or there was some kind of nano functional nano nano led screen at
30:56SPEAKERCS that I saw going around. So anyway, I just want to throw that in there because even as
31:00SPEAKERmicro led is starting to be talked about more and shown more, it seems like there are even
31:05SPEAKERother screen technologies that are in the works. Well, so, so that's the thing, that's
31:09SPEAKERthe thing about CS that's fun, right? Is there's always like one or two things that you go
31:14SPEAKERin and you're like, oh, you got to walk by and see this thing. And like, you know, in
31:18SPEAKERthe old days, it used to be like an 8K TV with footage of the last space shuttle launch
31:22SPEAKERor you know, a screen that rolled in and out of a, of a pullout like paper towel roll or
31:32SPEAKERsomething like that. Right. Now it's a stupid stuff like a, like a smart toilet that you
31:39SPEAKERwave your hand in front of to get the lid to go up. And it has an ink coating on the
31:43SPEAKERoutside. So it can change from light to dark toilet. Let me just stop you real quick. I'm
31:48SPEAKERnot guessing yet, right? No, no, these are real things. So we're not in the lightning
31:52SPEAKERround yet. So one of the stupid things with, so that we're into the, we're into the lots
31:56SPEAKERof stupid stuff category. Some of these are going to be real. A couple of them are going
32:00SPEAKERto be fake. This first one, just to give you an idea of what we're talking about and why
32:04SPEAKERwe think it's stupid is the rabbit or one, which a lot of cover that we've got a lot
32:10SPEAKERof coverage, a whole lot of coverage from pretty much everybody. And they demoed such
32:16SPEAKERthings as ordering a pizza from pizza hut with the most common toppings on it, or that
32:23SPEAKERwas pretty much it. That was the, it was a 28 minute video I watched. And that was the
32:26SPEAKERmost interesting thing in there. The only, the only other thing I saw was they pointed
32:30SPEAKERit at a picture of Rick Astley. Oh, great. And it called up the song, you know, the one
32:36SPEAKERthat started playing it without it being asked. It's a, it's a teenage engineering design
32:42SPEAKERdevice. I like teenage engineering. They designed the play date. They designed a bunch of cool
32:46SPEAKERlike music synths and all sorts of weird electronic stuff. I kind of felt bad for them when I
32:51SPEAKERsaw how much negative attention and buzz this was getting. Well, so the thing is the press
32:56SPEAKERreally liked it. Everybody, everyone, everything that I saw was positive about this. And then
32:59SPEAKERall of the comments were like, why was this cool? Which is literally the definition of
33:03SPEAKERa great CES product, right? Like, Hey man, people are going to look at this and in the
33:07SPEAKERfive minutes that you have with it, it's going to look awesome. And everybody's like, what
33:10SPEAKERthe hell does it do? It's an AI, it's an AI connected device that uses, they, they had,
33:17SPEAKERthey had language for it, but basically it does tasks that you can kind of train with
33:22SPEAKERa real hard asterisk about how hard it seems to be to train things to use like their own
33:26SPEAKERprovided virtual machines, stuff like that, to do the training. You can ask it to do things
33:31SPEAKERlike order a pizza, which I could do in EverQuest in 1999 by typing slash pizza. You can also
33:36SPEAKERget it to perform Photoshop tasks for you. If you take the time to train it, how to do
33:40SPEAKERthose tasks. It doesn't look particularly useful and or cool to me, to your point about
33:49SPEAKERhow CES really just encourages people to like, think a thing is cool for five minutes and
33:53SPEAKERmove on. It doesn't seem like anybody has really interrogated the use case or what the
33:58SPEAKEReveryday experience of this thing would be because, because this requires you to carry
34:03SPEAKERanother device around in your pocket. Like the whole idea is that you whip this thing
34:06SPEAKERout on the spot to have it take care of things that AI could take care of for you. Right.
34:10SPEAKERBut people already have a device shapes just like this in their pocket. You know, it's
34:15SPEAKERlike who was going to carry a second one of these around.
34:17SPEAKERSo also it's big, it's there for a fun. It's big and thick for a phone. Let me actually
34:22SPEAKERonly stop you. Wait, is it also a phone or are they saying it's not fun? Oh, so that's
34:25SPEAKERokay. Right. That's what I thought then. So this will not replace your phone. It's just
34:29SPEAKERanother thing. It has a phone radio, so it'll connect to,
34:32SPEAKERit connects to the T-Mobile network. So it works when you're away from wifi. Okay. But,
34:36SPEAKERbut yeah, it seemed very much like, look, maybe this is going to be a stupid moment
34:40SPEAKERand it's, and it's like the Hudsucker proxy where, where Tim Robbins invents the hula
34:44SPEAKERhoop and he just says it's for kids the whole time. And, and if you don't handle it, you
34:48SPEAKERdon't know what's going on. They sold 10,000 of them three times already. So we'll, we'll
34:53SPEAKERsee how it goes. It's you can, you can back it now and pre-order it now and they've sold
34:58SPEAKERthree rounds of pre-orders. Got it. Got it. Did you mention the price? I mean, it is only
35:01SPEAKER$199. Yeah. Actually we should say it's not, it's not smartphone price at least. No, but
35:07SPEAKERit seems, it seems goofy at best. Yes. I mean, I just Googled it just to see what stories
35:12SPEAKERcame up and this time headline really just seems like the whole thing. Startups are racing
35:16SPEAKERto create the iPhone of AI. They're just trying shit, right? Like they're just, they're just
35:22SPEAKERcoming up with products and making prototypes or making them as fast as they can because
35:26SPEAKERsomebody feels like they're going to be the ones to hit. But, but also literally everything
35:30SPEAKERthey showed is stuff I can do with my phone right now and most of it I can do even with
35:34SPEAKERvoice on my phone. So anyway, I mean, this is going to get, even if this were to kind
35:38SPEAKERof catch on, what's the term Sherlocking? Isn't this just going to get Sherlocked by
35:42SPEAKERthe giant, the trillion dollar corporations that already make sophisticated devices that
35:46SPEAKERgo in your pocket. It's funny you say this because as I was watching the tech, the tech
35:49SPEAKERdemo of this, of this, the video of this tech, this presentation, all I was thinking is,
35:54SPEAKEROh, this is a company that they are building specifically to get bought by Apple or Google
35:58SPEAKERor Samsung. Yes. Yes. And especially as like everybody
36:01SPEAKERwho makes microprocessors is building more machine learning hardware into those chips.
36:06SPEAKERIt does not seem particularly defensible in terms of the Valley. Like all the devices
36:11SPEAKERyou're already buying are going to do all of this very soon, if not already.
36:14SPEAKEROkay. So now, now we're into the bonus round. This is the fun part of the show. Brad, you
36:21SPEAKERhave, you have prepared a few products, both real and fake. I all have done the same and
36:28SPEAKERwe're going to, we're going to pop quiz shots each other.
36:31SPEAKERI'm starting to get a little nervous about my ability to lie convincingly on the fly.
36:36SPEAKERWell, you know, you should have prepared better than I was always, I was always like pretty
36:41SPEAKERgood at what was it? Werewolf or secret. I never played secret Hitler, but that style
36:44SPEAKERof game. Like I actually did pretty well. Were you not part of the whiskey media panel
36:49SPEAKERof experts that replaced Wikipedia for a day when Wikipedia turned off?
36:52SPEAKERNo, I was not invited. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. It was a pretty
36:55SPEAKERfull table, but the set was pretty wide. Yeah. Pretty full. Yes. All right. Should I just
37:00SPEAKERlike read some of these off? Yeah. Just read, read me, read me your products.
37:03SPEAKERI'm going to separate fact from CES fiction here. Okay. Okay. I've got five here. Okay.
37:08SPEAKERI'm just going to read all of them to you. Tell me how many of them are fake or I have
37:12SPEAKERto, I have to guess. I don't know. What is, what's more fair here?
37:15SPEAKERI think just make me guess because I'm not going to tell you how many of mine are fake.
37:19SPEAKEROkay. All right. Give me just a second here to pull up a couple of things. Okay. All right.
37:26SPEAKERI'm taking notes. Just FYI. Number one, we have, we have the flappy, which is an AI powered
37:33SPEAKERcat door. That is a hundred percent real. Okay. Yes. You got it. Yeah. I've no, I not
37:39SPEAKERonly I've seen that product being demoed at CES myself 10 years ago, but the AI powered
37:45SPEAKERis the new part. Yes. Let me guess. It has a camera. You teach it what your cat looks
37:49SPEAKERlike. It eventually gets to recognize your cat and only lets your cat in, not other cats
37:53SPEAKERor raccoons or possums. So surprisingly, the number one thing they
37:56SPEAKERseem to pitch with this is that it stops your cat from bringing dead animals in with it.
38:01SPEAKEROh, that was actually, that's, that was the number one thing they said was that they they've,
38:06SPEAKERyou know, using AI driven image recognition or whatever, that they have a 90% success
38:10SPEAKERrate of stopping of basically preventing the door from opening. If it senses that the cat
38:15SPEAKERhas a dead animal in its mouth or something. What, um, what if, what if the animal is living
38:20SPEAKERin its mouth still? Cause one of my favorite, one of my favorite genres of TikTok is person
38:25SPEAKERwho discovers their cat brought in a live mouse instead of a dead mouse.
38:28SPEAKEROh, that's grim. I don't know. They did not make that distinction. They, they did mention
38:32SPEAKERthe use case of having it only, uh, um, uh, permit your cat to come in, but they actually
38:37SPEAKERsaid that that utilizes like microchipping. Like if your cat is microchipped, you can
38:42SPEAKERprogram it to recognize that ship and only allow the cat in that way. But they didn't
38:45SPEAKERsay anything about like IDing the cat on site. Did they show the cat's like smashing into
38:50SPEAKERthe door because it takes a second for the, for the image recognition to work before it
38:54SPEAKERunlocks? No, that would be, well, I started to say
38:56SPEAKERthat would be hilarious. That would not be hilarious for the cats, but, uh, you know,
39:00SPEAKERthey learn. Yeah. That's probably true. That's probably real product buy it now. Okay. Um,
39:08SPEAKERlet's see. Okay. The moonwalkers from shift robotics. That's on my list. They're $1,400.
39:15SPEAKERThey designed for workers and warehouses and factories. They let you walk roughly three
39:19SPEAKERtimes faster than you normally can with the same energy as a slower walk. Okay. So the
39:23SPEAKERin gadget video I watched of these looked ridiculous with the reporter walking around
39:27SPEAKERthe ballroom that they were testing them in. But then I realized, you know, yeah, like
39:30SPEAKERif you were in a warehouse all day and these lets you move around three times as much for
39:34SPEAKERthe same amount of like energy and stress on your legs, maybe these actually aren't
39:38SPEAKERthe worst thing in the world. So the good thing about this is that our
39:41SPEAKERdystopian world where people are being sacked for being too slow and Amazon warehouses has
39:47SPEAKERfinally created the market for these things that like I've seen these different versions
39:51SPEAKERof these exist for a long time. I think Norman, I tried on some, some boots that we had to
39:56SPEAKERstrap onto our feet one year that I almost died using because they, uh, like they, they
40:03SPEAKERgot a little, they got a little hinky and I started going real fast. Um, I don't, I
40:08SPEAKERdon't want, I don't want to go down a hill with these on or hit a pebble. That's my,
40:14SPEAKERbut the neat thing about these is you just walk normally and the wheels just make you
40:16SPEAKERgo faster. Yeah. So that was good. Not even faster necessarily. They just kind of extend
40:20SPEAKERyour locomotion a little bit, like per step. It seems like you just kind of roll forward
40:24SPEAKERa little bit. And every time you take a step, I didn't see anybody with showing footage
40:28SPEAKERof their reporters in like some sort of training shoot, like was kind of like often you'd be
40:33SPEAKERin a place where you have like bars on either side of you and a floor that you had to learn
40:36SPEAKERhow to use them on before they let you out onto the floor. So yeah, that's cool. I assume
40:41SPEAKERthese are like mechanized in some way to prevent you from rolling too fast or maybe help, help
40:46SPEAKERwith balance or something. I don't know. Anyway, they seem like they might actually work well
40:50SPEAKERin like a warehouse situation or they mentioned like somebody that works in like logistics
40:55SPEAKERand stuff like that. It bums me out that we're going to force people to wear these in warehouses
40:59SPEAKERthough. My, my thought was, would Amazon actually provide these to their workers themselves
41:05SPEAKERor would they expect the workers to buy them? Well, I look, whether they provide them or
41:10SPEAKERexpect workers to buy them, they definitely will take them out of your pay if you fuck
41:13SPEAKERthem up. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shot that one down immediately.
41:19SPEAKERWhat else you got? Okay. How about a product called a macro wave? Ooh, this sounds fun.
41:26SPEAKERShould I describe it? I'm curious what it does. Yes. Uh, it's like a microwave that
41:32SPEAKERalso does all the other types of heating at the same time. Oh, so is it, would you describe
41:36SPEAKERit as a smart oven? Oh, I don't know. Sure. Can you air fry in it too? Or is it just for
41:42SPEAKERmicrowaving and can you make toast? Um, maybe not actually. Is it like a souped up toaster
41:48SPEAKERor not so much? It's unclear. We'll use it. It also is because we're going to infrared
41:52SPEAKERheating. Does it have a camera inside that looks and tells you when your food is done?
41:56SPEAKERI don't believe so. Oh, it's not. That doesn't sound that smart to me. It can, it can do
42:00SPEAKERair frying and convection type stuff. Also infrared heating, also a market microwaving
42:05SPEAKERall at the same time. I'm going to say that this is a real product because I've seen things
42:08SPEAKERlike this before. Okay. This is in fact a real product from revolution cooking. I just,
42:15SPEAKERI just think the audacity of calling your microwave plus other stuff, product, a macro
42:20SPEAKERwave, it's kind of amazing. It's a pretty good name. You're not going to forget that.
42:25SPEAKERNo, you're not. Only one company is going to get away with that. You know, you're not,
42:29SPEAKERnobody else is going to get to do this again. I mean, it's like calling some of the refrigerator
42:32SPEAKERthat used to be a brand name, right? Um, and plus most people don't know what the microwave
42:37SPEAKERactually means. They're just like, Oh, it's a small oven. It's a small oven that uses
42:41SPEAKERwaves to heat my stuff. Yes. It's not actually, it's not quite clear from this right up. Like
42:46SPEAKERif, if it can engage all of these different heating modes all at the same time, like the,
42:51SPEAKERthe use case here is, you know, like microwaving heats food through, but it's pretty crappy
42:56SPEAKERon like the, the outside, you know, like it makes things soggy. And like the idea is like
43:00SPEAKERthe infrared heating would sort of like crisp and Brown the outside, which microwaves are
43:04SPEAKERterrible at while the microwaving heated, heated the internals or, you know, he did
43:09SPEAKERhe did kind of, I started to say uniformly, but microwaves actually are not the best at
43:14SPEAKEReating uniformly, but you know what I mean? Well, the thing about the thing is, so the
43:17SPEAKERsmart oven craze of a few years ago was, was a lot of, Hey, microwaves aren't good at this.
43:21SPEAKERAnd then it turns out all microwaves do is make water warm. Right. So, and they start
43:26SPEAKERfrom the outside and work there. And then the heat heat goes in internally from just
43:31SPEAKERlike, you know, by moving from hot to cold. So it takes a little bit, if you, if you time
43:36SPEAKERit on and off, this is like, this is interesting. I'm not going to buy one of these, but this,
43:40SPEAKERthis isn't the worst thing I've heard of. Yeah. There could be some potential there
43:44SPEAKERalso into their credit. The word AI does not appear anywhere in this writeup. So props
43:51SPEAKERto them. They're the winners so far in the least stupid thing we've heard in the stupid
43:55SPEAKERthings from CES category. Yes. Okay. Here we go. Next product, the thingy iPhone case,
44:05SPEAKERwhich adds an iPod style click wheel to your iPhone. Okay. So I saw an iPod case, an iPhone
44:12SPEAKERcase that added a Blackberry style keyboard to the bottom of your iPhone. So I'm going
44:17SPEAKERto say that this is also a real product. Okay. Gotcha. Oh no. All right. I'm very glad you
44:26SPEAKERcame out and said it was a real product because that was about all I had. I really had not
44:31SPEAKERfought through the logistics exactly of how that was. Like I was trying to picture in
44:34SPEAKERmy head, like maybe it slides over the bottom of the screen somehow. Maybe it's translucent
44:39SPEAKERso you can still see the screen through it, but you want that mechanical feel. I, I have
44:44SPEAKERa friend who's a former coworker who had, who's been obsessed with the sneakers with
44:48SPEAKERwheels on the bottom and let you walk fast for as long as I've known them. And I was
44:53SPEAKERgoing to give that as one of my fake ones. And then I searched for it and the moonwalkers
44:56SPEAKERcame. I was like, well, shit. Yeah. So yeah, this one, this was, this is like I said, this
45:01SPEAKERis maybe not the most plausible idea ever, but it did, it was, it was directly inspired
45:04SPEAKERby that Blackberry keyboard case. The Blackberry keyboard case pretty good. It makes your phone
45:09SPEAKERreal tall. I think it turns into a very long phone. If you had an iPhone mini, it might
45:14SPEAKERbe a good fit, but yes. In looking at that, this is maybe this is a topic for another
45:20SPEAKERday actually. Maybe we should file this one away. I came across an article on Harper's
45:25SPEAKERbizarre about how Gen Z is like super, I mean, I guess this is every generation to an extent,
45:30SPEAKERbut like Gen Z is super into retro technology right now. Oh, they're mad for zoons. Like
45:36SPEAKERthey're like, maybe not zoons, but like point and shoot cameras. I can see that. Like cassette
45:41SPEAKERtapes in some cases, like wired headphones, just some stuff like that. You know, like
45:46SPEAKERmy daughter has a cassette player that she got as part of her Halloween costume last
45:49SPEAKERyear. Cause she was, she was a character from a stranger things. Right. But also like when
45:54SPEAKERdid, when did the, like the vinyl craze began? What, 10, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, now
45:58SPEAKERmillennials got way into vinyl. I guess that's not actually like a huge thing, but like it's
46:03SPEAKERmore, it's more that some of these specific tech they're talking about here is like, it's
46:08SPEAKERkind of shocking to me because it's just inconvenient, you know, like, like point and shoot cameras,
46:12SPEAKERlike the camera in your phone is like objectively better than that. Right. Unless you're, you
46:16SPEAKERknow, unless you're getting some DSLR or something, but like a little Canon elf style thing, like
46:22SPEAKERyou're getting worse pictures and having to carry a separate thing around. So I'm kind
46:26SPEAKERof impressed at how dedicated to the bit they are.
46:28SPEAKERWell, so there's a market for some of that stuff for the younger than gen Z kids, because
46:33SPEAKERlike we, if you don't want your kid to have a phone, then you might get them a point and
46:37SPEAKERshoot so they can take pictures of stuff. Right. Sure. And I can kind of see that, but
46:41SPEAKERyeah, like people always want to buy their childhoods. That's what happens. You turn
46:45SPEAKER30, you have disposable income. You always want to, it's why, it's why NES stuff was
46:50SPEAKERexpensive when we first started working. And it's why N64 stuff was expensive five years
46:54SPEAKERago. And I got bad news about PS one and PS two games. If you want to collect old PS one
46:59SPEAKERand PS two games, I guess the disconnect in my mind here is that I was, I was under the
47:04SPEAKERimpression that a lot of this tech is older than these people. Like it went out of style
47:08SPEAKERbefore they were even born. So they didn't grow up with it, but maybe, maybe my timelines
47:12SPEAKERare not lining up. Right. Well, if you think about it, like smartphones really, really
47:16SPEAKERtook off and the phones, the phone cameras were good enough that you probably didn't
47:20SPEAKERhave a standalone phone about 2010 or 2012. So you're right. It actually has that long
47:24SPEAKERago has not, you're right. Has not been that long since God, like in my mind, the, the,
47:29SPEAKERthe smartphone supplanted a separate camera for most people. Like, I don't know, I don't
47:34SPEAKEReven know 15 plus years ago, but I guess it's not been there. It was, it took a while. Like
47:38SPEAKERit was, it was iPhone four was the first one that was like, Oh, this is actually pretty
47:41SPEAKERgood. Yeah. And it still wasn't great. It was just good enough. I mean, it's been well
47:45SPEAKERunder 10 since like 10 years since like the, the cameras were like objectively amazing.
47:50SPEAKERRight. Yeah. The iPhone six and the first pixels and stuff like, like, like when we,
47:54SPEAKERwhen we started, yeah, it's been, it hasn't been that long. It's a, it's a, it's a newish
47:58SPEAKERidea. Okay. So I have, I have some for you, Brad. Okay. Should I do these and give you
48:04SPEAKERlike four or five and then let you pick the one that's, that's a, that's a dud. Yeah.
48:08SPEAKERIf you want, I don't know. I thought the format of just guessing was, was working pretty
48:12SPEAKERwell. We can do that. All right. Okay. So here's the first one. It's an AI lapel pin.
48:17SPEAKERYou magnetically clip it onto your shirt. It has a little battery and it lets you talk
48:22SPEAKERto your, to, to like chat GPT and ask it to do things. You can perform normal voice tasks.
48:29SPEAKERIt can interact with using touch or project messages with a laser onto like your hand
48:34SPEAKERor a wall directly in front of you. And it's called the AI pin. Also, it has a camera and
48:40SPEAKERcan take pictures and video. Hmm. I'm leaning toward fake on this one. That one is a hundred
48:48SPEAKERpercent real. Okay. All right. The AI pin. Okay. I'm sitting here thinking like, like,
48:53SPEAKERthat sounds like an awful lot to miniaturize into a something that's, I have a pen at this
48:57SPEAKERstage of the AI game, but maybe this thing is just actually connecting to a phone and
49:01SPEAKERthat's where all the computers happening. I don't know. I think it connects. I think
49:04SPEAKERit has a cell modem and it's, it's basically like the teenage daydream thing, like the,
49:08SPEAKERlike the rabbit, but in lapel pin, it's like a star Trek communicator. They messed up by
49:12SPEAKERnot calling it the communicator. Cause if you called it the communicator and you could
49:15SPEAKERtap it and be like computer, tell me what the volume of water and Lake superior is.
49:20SPEAKERI would have spent 200 bucks on that. Probably the other, the other thing is that AI pin
49:24SPEAKERis such an obvious name for a product that I thought surely they would have come up with
49:28SPEAKERsomething snappier than that. This is what happens when you're marketing people or engineers.
49:31SPEAKERUm, hang on. I'm looking at, I just want to see what it looks like. It looks like a touch
49:36SPEAKERpad for a laptop, but it's on somebody's lapel. Okay. Yes. It's not, it's not exactly fashion
49:42SPEAKERforward. I wouldn't say sure. It looks like, yeah. So it looks kind of like a giant Apple
49:49SPEAKERwatch attached to your shirt. So then the one nice thing that they did,
49:53SPEAKERit does look like an Apple watch attached to your shirt. The one nice thing that they
49:55SPEAKERdid is it, it is a magnetic fitting and it has multiple batteries on the back. Again,
50:00SPEAKERit's in the category of here's something that we made that uses AI that I don't think anybody
50:06SPEAKERlike my phone does all of this stuff except for project stuff onto my hand. And I'm probably
50:10SPEAKERhidden. Yeah. Um, the, the, it does have the always, it has the camera, the camera's not
50:15SPEAKERalways on. It does have a hardware light. So they did get that part. Right. So you can't,
50:21SPEAKERuh, you don't have to like worry that somebody's videoing you, although it's magnetically attached.
50:27SPEAKERSo people are just going to rip it off of you and run away is my guess. Um, okay. How
50:32SPEAKERabout, how about this one? Uh, it's an Octopad robot duster for tabletops bookshelves and
50:37SPEAKEReven small areas like the inside of a PC. It has a small fan and air filter and uses
50:43SPEAKERa laser to detect dust. So it scuttles around, looks for dust, blows the dust up there and
50:48SPEAKERthen sucks it up into its filter. Um, and it's called the Roomba and we'll be shipping
50:53SPEAKERlater this year. Hmm. Hmm. It's not made by what's the company. I robot makes room. It's
51:01SPEAKERnot made by I robot. It looks like they may be had to go and tell you, I'm not sure about
51:06SPEAKERthe trademark on this one. Probably Brad. That's why I'm a little skeptical. I started
51:10SPEAKERto call fake on this because of the name in particular, but if it helps, it's V R R O
51:16SPEAKERO O O M B A. So, you know what the hell I'll say, this is real. This is absolutely fake.
51:22SPEAKERI made this one up. Okay. But I would buy an Octopad vacuum robot, put it inside my
51:27SPEAKERcomputer to be scuttling around, going, sucking up dust. That'd be great. Yeah. I mean, there
51:31SPEAKERdefinitely some weird robotic cleaning implements at this thing. Like eco vacs had a window
51:36SPEAKERcleaner, like a robotic window cleaner that climbs your windows and cleans them. Yeah.
51:40SPEAKERI would buy that. I had a lot of windows. I think if I had a lot of windows, especially
51:43SPEAKERif I was on like a cliff or something. And that was, that seems nice. Um, how about the
51:49SPEAKERParky? It's a robot. What parks cars? It scoots through a valet parking lot, lifts the car
51:53SPEAKERto position it directly in a space, then sends the car down and can go grab another car.
51:57SPEAKERThat's gotta be fake. I mean, a hundred percent real. Wow. Who's going to consent to their
52:04SPEAKERcar being manhandled by a robot while they're not around. I think I'd rather have a robot
52:08SPEAKERto it than like the typical 19 year old who works at a valet stand. Fair, fair, fair point.
52:13SPEAKERI suppose. Um, I got another one. This is another banger. It's the Juicero, but for
52:19SPEAKERice cream, it's a Keurig looking box. It's a little bit bigger. You take a can full of
52:23SPEAKERa compressed ice cream material, jam it into the top and a few minutes later, it blasts
52:28SPEAKERout some ice cream that I'm going to say looked pretty serviceable. If a little gloopier than
52:33SPEAKERI like my soft serve to look, usually that sounds like something somebody thought was
52:37SPEAKERa good idea. That is absolutely something someone thought was a good idea. It is a product
52:41SPEAKERthat was on being shown at the show floor. Uh, I watched two videos about it. Neither
52:47SPEAKERone of them told the name of the product. Oh, so more great CS coverage. Um, how about
52:54SPEAKERthis one? It's the Y brush. It's a toothbrush that looks like a mouth guard. You put your,
52:58SPEAKERyou put it in your mouth and you hook it up either to their own attachment or to Sonicare
53:03SPEAKERor other electric toothbrush and it brushes all of your teeth at one time in 20 seconds.
53:10SPEAKERReal. That's a hundred percent real. Remember that has to be real. Multiple demos of people
53:15SPEAKERusing that thing and it looked horrifying. That fits very comfortably into the like tech
53:19SPEAKERbro life hack category of tech gadgets. Look, you can save as much as a hundred seconds
53:26SPEAKERtwice a day by brushing your teeth with the Y brush. You know, my dentist says like 60
53:31SPEAKERseconds is good as long as you're doing it in the right pattern. And I like to take my
53:35SPEAKERtime. Yeah. I get this Sonicare out there. I work all the corners and you know, well,
53:40SPEAKERuh, gum recession is a risk if you brush too long and too hard is the main reason he recommends
53:46SPEAKERto be a being judicious there. There you go. He said he had a patient once who told him
53:50SPEAKERthat he brushed his teeth for 10 minutes at a time. That's too much. Yes. I, yeah, he
53:55SPEAKERagreed. So did I sometimes, sometimes I miss like, like I don't want to miss like a molar
53:59SPEAKERor something, so I'll hit an extra. That's my Sonicare has a two minute timer on it.
54:03SPEAKERSo like I, I know I'm very aware of how long I spent brushing my teeth. It's more than
54:07SPEAKERone extra press. Got it. I'm, I'm skittish about it because I did have some pretty, not,
54:12SPEAKERnot terrible, but it's gum, gum recession from brushing too long and too hard, which
54:17SPEAKERrequired some procedures. Oh, that's a, that's a, no, thank you. It was not fun. I had to
54:22SPEAKERhave a gum graft when I was a kid. It was horrible. Okay. But you know, what's not horrible
54:26SPEAKERis a real life moisture vaporator. It creates filtered drinkable water from the air. Watch
54:32SPEAKERmultiple videos on this one too. No one asked how much it costs or how much power it consumes
54:36SPEAKERor if it worked at all in the dry desert air of Las Vegas. But it was on display at the
54:42SPEAKERshow for, and at CES this year. If this is fake, you're weaving a pretty substantial
54:47SPEAKERyarn about what coverage you consumed about it. This one's real. Okay. This one's real.
54:53SPEAKERI mean, I can, it sounds absolutely plausible. It is. Yes. I'm trying, I'm trying to think
54:59SPEAKERthrough the implications of like, I mean, this, this seems like this, this would be
55:02SPEAKERquite valuable for humanitarian or, you know, for like public good kind of reasons, not
55:08SPEAKERfor necessarily like profit seeking, but. Well, so they it's called the Genesis systems
55:15SPEAKERwater cube. And the thing that they didn't talk about is usually things that do this,
55:21SPEAKERthey didn't say what the, what the what the process, nobody said what the process is that
55:27SPEAKERthey use, but it looks like a giant dehumidifier. I was going to say dehumidifiers are commonplace.
55:32SPEAKERSo this just would have to have something in it that makes the water potable, right?
55:36SPEAKERYeah. So presumably they're filtering in or reverse electrolysis sizing or something on
55:40SPEAKERtop of the dehumidifying. It can make thousands of gallons of water a day. It costs $20,000
55:47SPEAKERto pre-order. My assumption is it's going to really juice your electric bill. So you
55:54SPEAKERmight save a little bit of money on water and spend a whole boatload more money on electricity
55:58SPEAKERunless you have solar. Yeah. Well, like I said, this, this seems like it would have
56:02SPEAKERmore implications for like disaster relief almost rather than something you could just
56:06SPEAKERuse in your home. Yeah. Or it's a way to extract money from survivalists either way. Sure. Fair.
56:13SPEAKERWhat about a face mask that absorbs your voice? Sky Ted makes, and it makes absorption of
56:20SPEAKERyour voice while you're talking a possibility. So you put the mask on, it has microphones
56:24SPEAKERinside it and it has baffles and all sorts of noise canceling stuff that prohibits your
56:29SPEAKERvoice from leaking out. So you have private conversations with people remotely in public
56:34SPEAKERwithout annoying anybody or without leaking any of your proprietary secrets for only $320.
56:40SPEAKERThis absolutely seems like something somebody would attempt. I'm tempted to call fake on
56:45SPEAKERthis one though. Also real. Man, what? This is a real product. This was on the verge.
56:51SPEAKERUm, what about ride share for your e-bike or skateboard? Instead of finding a place
56:56SPEAKERto store your last mile transit options while you're at work or at a movie, you can put
56:59SPEAKERit to work for you. Rider with a Y lets you earn money from your investment in an e-bike
57:05SPEAKERor electric skateboard by renting it out to other potential users while you're not using it.
57:09SPEAKERFor example, if you go to work or at a movie during the day. Sorry, I did that part twice.
57:13SPEAKERUh, I mean there is, there is the rider company that specializes in R I D E R. This is R I
57:22SPEAKERD Y R just to be clear. I missed where the, I thought you said it was R Y D E R. No, no,
57:27SPEAKERit's rider with a Y. Sorry. I should, I didn't specify where the Y was. Yeah. I see. I see.
57:32SPEAKEROkay. Um, probably real. This one's fake sadly, Brad. All right. You got me. You got me. Okay.
57:40SPEAKERI've got one more. Uh, this one is a Seuss, uh, is bringing as is things foldable, foldable
57:45SPEAKERdisplays are going to get big this year. Uh, 17.3 inches big. That's right. They have a
57:51SPEAKERportable folding monitor in the pipeline that'll fold down to 12 and a half inches. It's also
57:57SPEAKERportrait orientation. I was with you until the orientation and now I'm not so sure. I
58:04SPEAKERmean, a Seuss does make literally everything under the sun that they possibly can. That's
58:08SPEAKERtrue. Uh, foldable certainly are. I saw, I saw more foldable phones. Uh, we're at the
58:15SPEAKERshow. A lot of foldable phones. It sounds like as a phone that folds both ways. Oh wow.
58:20SPEAKERI missed that. It seems like a bad idea. I missed that. I saw some of them are straight
58:23SPEAKERup being, starting to be referred to as flip phones again. Like they are literally just
58:27SPEAKERlike, Hey, this is our flip phone. The dream is alive. Also, while I'm mentioning phones,
58:31SPEAKERyou see there, there were phones there that had E ink backscreens. That's the, well, so
58:35SPEAKERthe phone, some of the folding phones have had that, like out of China for a little bit.
58:39SPEAKERUm, that's pretty good. This was just like cosmetic. This was, this was just for like
58:44SPEAKERcustomizing the back of your phone in a part that's covered with a case, putting a little
58:49SPEAKERflare on there. I don't know. Seemed like there was a lot of E Ink flare this year with
58:54SPEAKERthe toilet and all. Yes. Indeed. Um, I'm going to let you off the hook. This one's real.
59:01SPEAKERThis is a real product. Okay. All right. Very popular. It turns out. I believe that. Or
59:07SPEAKERlet me, they're very popular at CES. Whether they're really popular with people who spend
59:12SPEAKERmoney on things I don't actually know, but people seem to be making a lot of them. So
59:15SPEAKERportable monitors and maybe like one of the use cases where a foldable screen actually
59:18SPEAKERmakes a ton of sense. Yeah. Like if I can fit in my bag and then all of a sudden whip
59:22SPEAKERit out and get a giant monitor. That sounds great. That sounds actually pretty good. Yeah.
59:26SPEAKERAnd also like, I mean that I'm sure you've noticed, like that's, that's become a little
59:29SPEAKERcottage industry, right? Like the little 13, 17 inch portable monitors. Like people, some
59:35SPEAKERpeople are super into those. Some of them are their own display or some of them have
59:39SPEAKERtheir own display driver in them, you know, like you don't even need a display output.
59:43SPEAKERYou just plug USB in there or whatever. Right. Yeah. Like it's becoming a thing, a category.
59:47SPEAKERSo I could, I could see the foldable stuff there. Yeah. I, I, I almost didn't include
59:52SPEAKERthat one because I thought it was, I thought it was like actually sounded like it was a
59:56SPEAKERokay product rather than just a weird CS product. Anyway, that's all I got. All right. I was
1:00:06SPEAKERnot, I was not exactly batting a thousand there, but look, CS is weird. CS is real weird.
1:00:10SPEAKERYou don't have the benefit of having walked around the dark spaces of CS, seeing the,
1:00:14SPEAKERthe male male enhancement trainers and the, yeah, it's, there was a lot, it was a lot
1:00:19SPEAKERof weird stuff this year. Yeah. I did go at least once, maybe twice. CS is the first place
1:00:25SPEAKERI saw the Sphero, which is still my favorite of the stupid robots that I've ever, I've
1:00:28SPEAKERever done. It's like the hamster ball robot and a little hard plastic ball. There was
1:00:34SPEAKERa new one of those this year. Molly, I believe it was called that's from Samsung. That's
1:00:38SPEAKERSamsung. Yeah. Oh, it's not just a, it's not just a it's, it's a robotic assistant apparently.
1:00:44SPEAKERYeah. It's imagine if Siri could follow you around the house and do things like project
1:00:48SPEAKERa welcome message on the ground in front of you when you got home or maybe order you a
1:00:53SPEAKERpizza, I don't know. It's yeah, products, products in search of a market, the trade
1:01:00SPEAKERshow. I don't know that I will say that that ice cream maker, it looked icky. The ice cream
1:01:07SPEAKERit made. I don't think I would have eaten it. I ate a 3d printed candy one time at CS,
1:01:12SPEAKERbut I wouldn't need that ice cream. Wait, what? You can 3d print anything. Yeah, fair.
1:01:17SPEAKER3d printed the laser centered candy candy to get like sugar powder. So it became a hard
1:01:23SPEAKERmatrix and it, it turned into like a sad marshmallow in your mouth. I was going to say sugary goop
1:01:30SPEAKERabout about the experience of eating. It was like tertiary to all the other factors of
1:01:34SPEAKERmaking it right. Like when you're in making something like that, like the quality of the
1:01:40SPEAKERfood is probably the last of their concerns. When you're in that trade show, the last thing
1:01:44SPEAKERyou should do is put anything in your mouth. So yeah, it was, it was it was that it was
1:01:50SPEAKEReither do that or go get tased across the hall. So we went and watched, we ate the 3d
1:01:55SPEAKERprinted candy cause I didn't want to get, I, Norm was like, you should get tased. I
1:02:00SPEAKERwas like, I don't want to get tased. And so we didn't, I didn't get tased. Did Norm get
1:02:04SPEAKERtased? No, Norm didn't want, turns out Norm didn't want to get tased either. So he just
1:02:07SPEAKERwanted to see somebody he knew getting tased. I'd read enough about the less than lethal
1:02:12SPEAKERnature of the modern electrical taser to know that I did not want to be tased on a trade
1:02:16SPEAKERshow floor where I was 40 minutes from an ambulance.
1:02:18SPEAKERYes. That's, that's, that was probably a good call. What was, what was y'all's track record
1:02:23SPEAKERof illness out of CES? Was it, was there like a CES flu every year?
1:02:28SPEAKERI want to say we brought it back to whiskey in the basement one year. I, I used to get
1:02:33SPEAKERsick after going to Comdex and CS and Maximum PC. And then I learned the one hand for the,
1:02:39SPEAKERone hand for the environment and one hand for me. So I just don't ever touch anything
1:02:43SPEAKERwith my left hand at all and shake hands and fist bump and everything with the right hand.
1:02:47SPEAKERAnd after that I was more or less fine. Yeah. I observed that practice to this day
1:02:50SPEAKERin a lot of settings. Yeah. It's a, it's, it turns out in the modern,
1:02:53SPEAKERin the modern post COVID post current COVID environment, it's a, it's a good policy. Brad,
1:03:03SPEAKERI think that brings us to the end of our annual CES spectacular, exhaustive best in class
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