216: Tactical Baking Method

00:00SPEAKERSomething terrible's happened.

00:01SPEAKER- Lay it on me, I love something terrible, lay it on me.

00:03SPEAKER- No, it's really bad.

00:05SPEAKERMy Wendy's account, it's been locked.

00:07SPEAKER- I'm not sure how serious this is, but not go on.

00:10SPEAKER- Look, look, I just got an email

00:12SPEAKERand it has a picture of a sad Frosty

00:14SPEAKERwith a lock next to it.

00:16SPEAKERAnd it says, "Better safe than sorry.

00:18SPEAKERWe detected numerous unsuccessful attempts

00:20SPEAKERto log into this account.

00:22SPEAKERThis may be the result of galactic invaders,

00:24SPEAKERa ghost, or simply a forgotten password."

00:27SPEAKER- I'm sorry, did you say a sad Frosty?

00:29SPEAKER- It looks sad, I'll send you a picture.

00:31SPEAKER- How does a Frosty look sad?

00:32SPEAKERIs it an anthropomorphized Frosty?

00:34SPEAKER- It has arms and it's like making little fists

00:37SPEAKERand it has a lock next to it.

00:38SPEAKER- That's like a little clip art Frosty.

00:40SPEAKER- I mean, I don't think you can clip art a Frosty.

00:42SPEAKERThat's a registered trademark of the Wendy's Corporation,

00:47SPEAKERwhoever owns Wendy's International LLC, it seems.

00:51SPEAKERQuality is their recipe.

00:53SPEAKERWell, quality is our recipe, LLC, Wendy's International.

00:56SPEAKERLook, here's the upshot is,

00:58SPEAKERI didn't even know I had a Wendy's account.

01:00SPEAKER- That was going to be my first question.

01:01SPEAKERDid you know before this email came in

01:03SPEAKERthat you even had one?

01:04SPEAKER- No, I don't, I don't.

01:06SPEAKERI mean, I love, look, I like a square burger.

01:08SPEAKERDo you know why the burgers at Wendy's are square, Brad?

01:10SPEAKER- Do they, is it more efficient use of grill space?

01:13SPEAKER- They don't cut corners.

01:15SPEAKER- Oh, I see.

01:16SPEAKEROkay, great, great.

01:18SPEAKER- If you ever, if you worked at Wendy's

01:20SPEAKERor knew someone who worked at Wendy's in the,

01:22SPEAKERlet's say late '80s or early '90s,

01:25SPEAKERwhenever someone came in and asked,

01:26SPEAKER"Hey, why are the burgers square?"

01:28SPEAKERThe only acceptable answer as I understood it

01:32SPEAKERfrom my friend who worked at Wendy's

01:33SPEAKERwas that you had to say,

01:34SPEAKER"Because Wendy's doesn't cut corners."

01:36SPEAKER- So that's a real marketing triumph.

01:38SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it stuck with me.

01:39SPEAKER- Right there.

01:40SPEAKER- But anyway, yeah, so I don't know what I'm going to do

01:43SPEAKERabout this whole Wendy's account situation.

01:46SPEAKERI guess like often people sign up with my email address

01:50SPEAKERor accounts that they don't want to get email from.

01:52SPEAKERIt's a thing that they do.

01:54SPEAKER- Yes.

01:55SPEAKER- Sometimes it works out.

01:56SPEAKERI got $5 off of something the other day

01:57SPEAKER'cause somebody had made an account for me

01:59SPEAKERand had a coupon in there.

01:59SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, okay, I'll just use this."

02:01SPEAKERThat's great.

02:02SPEAKER- Did you use it?

02:02SPEAKER- Yeah, fuck yeah.

02:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

02:04SPEAKER- If they're going to buy, if they're going to spam me,

02:05SPEAKERI'm going to reap the benefit.

02:07SPEAKER- Just got to get yours.

02:08SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

02:09SPEAKERSo anyway, I don't know.

02:11SPEAKERI'm going to have to suss out this sad, frosty situation

02:15SPEAKERand work it through with the fine folks

02:20SPEAKERat Quality is Our Recipe LLC,

02:22SPEAKERthe Wendy's International Corporation, I guess.

02:25SPEAKER- What, is there even a Wendy's

02:26SPEAKERwithin accessible distance to you?

02:28SPEAKERI'm not sure there are Wendy's around there.

02:31SPEAKER- So for a long time,

02:32SPEAKERWendy's was the closest fast food joint to my house.

02:34SPEAKER- Oh.

02:35SPEAKER- That wasn't at McDonald's.

02:36SPEAKER'Cause the Wendy's, there's a Wendy's in Colma,

02:38SPEAKERor it's on mission at Colma, basically.

02:42SPEAKERSo when you come up the freeway,

02:43SPEAKERyou get off the freeway and you go straight across

02:45SPEAKERto pass Colma Bart and there's a Wendy's right there.

02:48SPEAKERIt's open late too, which was important

02:49SPEAKERfor different periods of time in my life.

02:51SPEAKER- Sure.

02:52SPEAKER- And I guess it was never closer than the Taco Bell.

02:54SPEAKERJust in full disclosure, but sometimes you want a burger

02:58SPEAKERand not a, you know, some sort of burrito or taco.

03:02SPEAKER- Oh, I see the Wendy's near you.

03:03SPEAKERThere's not a Wendy's in San Francisco, I can tell you that.

03:06SPEAKER- Really?

03:07SPEAKER- There's Wendy's Salon and Wendy's Beauty House.

03:09SPEAKERI don't think either of those serves Frosty's.

03:12SPEAKER- There used to be a Wendy's in,

03:15SPEAKERthere used to be a Wendy's in like out West,

03:19SPEAKERwhen I lived out in Lawton Street out,

03:21SPEAKERthere was a Wendy's next to a KFC.

03:23SPEAKER- I will tell you, the fine folks at Wendy's

03:25SPEAKERhave been doing some good work with the Frosty's.

03:29SPEAKERWendy's is my go-to when I'm on a road trip

03:31SPEAKERfor like, I need a fast food burger.

03:34SPEAKERAnd in the summertime, they do strawberry Frosty's now,

03:39SPEAKERwhich are quite good.

03:40SPEAKERAnd at Christmas time, peppermint Frosty's.

03:43SPEAKER- No.

03:44SPEAKER- The peppermint Frosty's are the bomb.

03:46SPEAKER- No pumpkin spice Frosty yet?

03:48SPEAKER- They do a pumpkin spice Frosty

03:49SPEAKERand like everything else, pumpkin spice, it's vile.

03:52SPEAKERWe don't talk about that.

03:53SPEAKER- We don't, no, we don't encourage that behavior.

03:55SPEAKERGet rekt Wendy's.

03:57SPEAKER- Do they still do the dollar menu?

03:58SPEAKERWeren't they the ones that had like the dollar chili

04:00SPEAKERand the dollar baked potato and the like,

04:01SPEAKERyou could eat five things for $5 kind of configuration.

04:05SPEAKER- You can get the JBC, yeah.

04:07SPEAKER- Wait, the what?

04:08SPEAKER- The junior bacon cheeseburger.

04:09SPEAKER- Oh yo, the junior bacon Chi.

04:11SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the classic.

04:12SPEAKERMy, the thing that they do now,

04:14SPEAKERI discovered this when we went to Palm Desert this summer,

04:17SPEAKERbut for like five or six bucks,

04:18SPEAKERyou get what they call a biggie bag,

04:21SPEAKERwhich is one of the small burgers,

04:23SPEAKERlike a junior bacon cheeseburger

04:25SPEAKERor a double stack cheeseburger or something like that.

04:27SPEAKERLike the little ones though, like the,

04:29SPEAKERlike what would have been the classic size burger

04:31SPEAKER20 years ago before they started selling sandwiches

04:34SPEAKERfor $10 of fast food joints,

04:36SPEAKERa small fry and a four piece nug.

04:39SPEAKER- Wow.

04:40SPEAKER- Yeah, and a drink.

04:41SPEAKER- Wow.

04:41SPEAKER- Pretty good value for five or six bucks.

04:43SPEAKER- That's, listen I need to tell you,

04:46SPEAKERI have a pending rendezvous with the biggie bag.

04:48SPEAKERI think we should start this podcast.

04:50SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:19SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made at TechPod.

05:21SPEAKERI'm Will.

05:22SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

05:23SPEAKERHello, hi.

05:24SPEAKER- Hey, welcome back, Brad.

05:25SPEAKERHappy New Year.

05:26SPEAKER- Thank you.

05:26SPEAKERHey, happy new year to you.

05:27SPEAKER- It's good to see you, my friend.

05:28SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.

05:29SPEAKERThank you for holding it down in my absence.

05:31SPEAKER- Look, it was nice.

05:32SPEAKERI got to catch up with Kishore.

05:33SPEAKERI'm sorry you missed that.

05:34SPEAKERYou would have enjoyed that chat, I think.

05:36SPEAKER- I love, I love the science roundup with Kishore.

05:39SPEAKER- Well, we'll have to do,

05:39SPEAKERwe'll have to do another one next year.

05:41SPEAKERAnd probably like I would love,

05:43SPEAKERI'm always down to have Kishore on the podcast.

05:44SPEAKERIt's always, it's always fun to talk to him.

05:46SPEAKER- For sure, how, how has, how has 2020 and four

05:49SPEAKERtreated you so far?

05:52SPEAKER- It's been, it's been pretty okay so far.

05:56SPEAKERLike we, we, we made some pizzas at New Year's.

06:00SPEAKERIt was great to talk to Adam too.

06:01SPEAKERI don't, I don't mean to like,

06:02SPEAKERjust talk about how great Kishore was.

06:04SPEAKERAnd then we love Adam too.

06:05SPEAKERAdam was always good.

06:06SPEAKER- Of course.

06:08SPEAKER- But yeah, we, we made some pizzas on New Year's.

06:13SPEAKERI busted out the baking steel

06:14SPEAKERand got the oven up to 550 degrees and-

06:19SPEAKER- The baking steel.

06:20SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, 'cause it transfers the heat better.

06:23SPEAKERYou get a nice leopard on the crust, right?

06:25SPEAKERIt's just-

06:26SPEAKER- It's a very, it's a very imposing

06:28SPEAKERand somewhat rugged phrase, I think.

06:30SPEAKER- Look, it is the manliest way to make pizza

06:32SPEAKERin your oven at home without having

06:33SPEAKERyour own outdoor pizza oven.

06:35SPEAKER- It's like, it's like a tactical baking method.

06:37SPEAKER(laughing)

06:39SPEAKERKind of what I'm thinking here, honestly.

06:42SPEAKER- Okay, so it does come with a sleeve.

06:44SPEAKERSo you can store it when it's not in the oven.

06:46SPEAKER- Sure.

06:46SPEAKER- But I usually just leave it in the oven

06:47SPEAKER'cause it makes the, helps distribute heat evenly.

06:49SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

06:51SPEAKER- Yes, we made some pizza.

06:52SPEAKERWe, we made the hot fudge from scratch,

06:55SPEAKERwhich I'd never done before.

06:56SPEAKERI think we talked about that last week a little bit.

06:58SPEAKER- Yes, we do.

07:00SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a good holiday, you?

07:02SPEAKER- Yeah, perfect.

07:03SPEAKER- I hope everything, everything's going well.

07:04SPEAKER- Yeah, reasonably, under the circumstances.

07:07SPEAKERMy arteries are hardening steadily day by day.

07:10SPEAKER- Perfect.

07:11SPEAKER- It's time to go eat.

07:12SPEAKERWell, actually I'm trying to eat a lot of salads

07:14SPEAKERwhile I'm here to offset all of the other stuff.

07:16SPEAKER- I was gonna say, how much ham

07:17SPEAKERhave you eaten while you've been there?

07:19SPEAKER- We, ham did not happen on the holiday.

07:22SPEAKER- Oh no.

07:23SPEAKER- Owing to various things.

07:25SPEAKERThere was going to be a honey baked ham as is tradition,

07:27SPEAKERbut that didn't quite come together, but it's okay.

07:31SPEAKER- Have you gotten any country ham while you've been there?

07:32SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

07:33SPEAKER- 'Cause the thing is,

07:34SPEAKERthe thing that I didn't understand growing up there

07:36SPEAKERis that most parts of the country,

07:38SPEAKERyou don't just go into the meat section of the grocery store

07:41SPEAKERand buy slices of country ham if you want 'em.

07:43SPEAKER- No, you don't, but here.

07:44SPEAKER- Here, it's just everywhere.

07:46SPEAKER- It's like on the end cap at the gas station.

07:48SPEAKERI mean, not really, but it might as well be.

07:50SPEAKER- There's a ham guy that comes door to door

07:51SPEAKERon Sunday mornings and he's like,

07:53SPEAKER"Hey man, you want some ham?"

07:55SPEAKER- It's maybe the only meat that's not ultra, ultra processed.

07:59SPEAKERIt's the only meat I know

08:00SPEAKERthat doesn't need to be refrigerated.

08:01SPEAKERIt's just there on the shelf.

08:03SPEAKER- Yeah, well, once it's sliced, you have to process it.

08:05SPEAKERYou have to refrigerate it, right?

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, once it's out of the package, you mean?

08:09SPEAKER- Well, no, once like, so like if you have a whole ham

08:13SPEAKERthat's like crusted over,

08:15SPEAKERyou could just hang it out in your basement, right?

08:16SPEAKERWe used to do that, it was gross.

08:18SPEAKER- Yeah, the country ham though.

08:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm talking about the country hams too.

08:21SPEAKERLike when they salt them and smoke them and they're cured,

08:25SPEAKERyou hang it in the basement

08:25SPEAKER'cause you have to carve off the outside anyway

08:27SPEAKERbefore you eat it.

08:28SPEAKER- Oh, so we don't get anything that requires carving.

08:30SPEAKERIt's just the pretty sliced.

08:32SPEAKER- Oh, you get the slices, yeah.

08:33SPEAKER- The very tough, incredibly salty,

08:35SPEAKERand I mean, like it's basically made of salt.

08:37SPEAKER- Yeah, do you do the thing

08:39SPEAKERwhere you put the brown sugar on it

08:40SPEAKERand just put it in the pan and a little bit of water?

08:43SPEAKER- No, we just throw it in the pan, fry it,

08:45SPEAKERmake red-eye gravy out of the drippings.

08:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so dad always did the thing

08:49SPEAKERwhere he would fry it up

08:50SPEAKERand then put the brown sugar on the top

08:54SPEAKERso it's like sweet and salty.

08:55SPEAKERAnd I think he would do a little bit of water.

08:58SPEAKERI think he'd cook it in a little bit of water

09:00SPEAKERto pull some of the salt out

09:01SPEAKERand then let the water boil away and fry after that.

09:03SPEAKERI can't remember.

09:04SPEAKER- Interesting, that's that Tennessee Carolina divide again.

09:07SPEAKER- Look, I have a real hankering for country ham

09:09SPEAKERlike two times a year.

09:11SPEAKERAnd that's basically the, as most I should eat.

09:14SPEAKERAnd I usually don't follow up on it just to be,

09:18SPEAKERit's a dangerous food.

09:19SPEAKER- Yes, we eat it once a year on Christmas morning

09:21SPEAKERprovided we're all together and that's it

09:23SPEAKER'cause that's all that one can or should tolerate.

09:26SPEAKER- It's too much, too damn much salt.

09:28SPEAKERWell, I'm glad you had an okay holiday, Brad.

09:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.

09:32SPEAKERDo you know what I can tolerate an infinite amount of?

09:35SPEAKER- I don't know, cues maybe?

09:36SPEAKER- Yes, just full of A's.

09:38SPEAKER- This is maybe the best,

09:41SPEAKERwe've been doing this for two years and four years and change

09:45SPEAKERI don't know, a hundred years?

09:47SPEAKER- Yes, it's actually- - Three years and change?

09:48SPEAKER- So it's a good,

09:49SPEAKERwe're almost four and a half years in now actually.

09:52SPEAKER- No, no, no, it's only 216.

09:54SPEAKER- August, 2019 is when we started,

09:57SPEAKERwhich was almost five months ago.

09:59SPEAKER- Okay, okay, okay.

10:02SPEAKERI was like 52 times four is 208 and we're at 216, yeah, okay.

10:07SPEAKERWell, there've been some gaps.

10:09SPEAKER- But yeah, so this is maybe the all-time best crop of cues

10:13SPEAKERI've seen that I remember.

10:15SPEAKER- Yes, this is a real bumper crop.

10:16SPEAKER- Yeah, we could do two months worth of episodes

10:20SPEAKERout of this one month of cues.

10:21SPEAKER- Yes, if we hadn't already done an extra Q&A last month,

10:24SPEAKERI would be like, we should just do two, but no.

10:26SPEAKER- Well, and so if we don't get to your question,

10:28SPEAKERI guess what I'm saying is I apologize.

10:30SPEAKERThe competition was tough this month.

10:32SPEAKERSo resend your questions if you have them.

10:34SPEAKERAnd unfortunately we didn't do this before the holidays.

10:36SPEAKERSo we skipped a lot of the holiday-related questions.

10:41SPEAKERJust resubmit those in the fall.

10:43SPEAKERIf you have a question,

10:44SPEAKERthe email address is techpod@content.town,

10:46SPEAKERor if you're a patron of the show,

10:49SPEAKERby going to patreon.com/techpod

10:51SPEAKERand signing up for five bucks a month

10:52SPEAKERto get access to the Discord,

10:54SPEAKERthen you can post your questions

10:55SPEAKERin the Cues Seeking A's channel

10:57SPEAKERand they'll disappear for you, but they'll be there

10:59SPEAKERwhen Brad and I go look at them.

11:00SPEAKER- It's true, and we appreciate them all.

11:03SPEAKER- Yes.

11:03SPEAKER- All right, I'm just gonna go in order here

11:05SPEAKER'cause there's so many.

11:06SPEAKERWe'll just go down the list.

11:08SPEAKER- Works for me.

11:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:10SPEAKERThis question comes in from Avant Gardner in Ireland.

11:14SPEAKER- That's a pretty good name.

11:15SPEAKER- This is via the inbox, the email, subject line.

11:20SPEAKERThe podcast puts me to sleep.

11:22SPEAKERThank you.

11:24SPEAKER- Well, I guess you're welcome.

11:25SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

11:26SPEAKERBy which I mean it puts both my small children to sleep,

11:29SPEAKERwhich is a godsend on long car journeys

11:32SPEAKERof which I am eternally grateful.

11:35SPEAKERDo you guys have a particular audio experience

11:37SPEAKERor device that aids your sleep?

11:39SPEAKEROoh, we use a sound machine at home, like a mechanical one.

11:44SPEAKERIn fact, I don't know the brand off the top of my head,

11:46SPEAKERbut I would just about, my girlfriend bought it,

11:49SPEAKERso I don't even know where it came from,

11:50SPEAKERbut I would just about bet it's like the one

11:51SPEAKERthat everybody buys probably on Amazon.

11:53SPEAKERIt's like this little just cylindrical thing

11:56SPEAKERthat says on the table that it's got two parts of it

12:00SPEAKERswivel back and forth.

12:01SPEAKERI assume there's some kind of motor in there that spins.

12:03SPEAKER- Wow, and it just like grinds to make noises?

12:06SPEAKER- Yeah, so there are little slats on the side

12:08SPEAKERand by turning the two little parts of the cylinder

12:11SPEAKERthat rotate, you're exposing different little,

12:13SPEAKERdifferent sizes of the slats on the sides.

12:15SPEAKERSo it changes the volume and character like tone

12:18SPEAKERof the white noise coming out.

12:20SPEAKER- Oh, weird, and it's a speaker inside presumably.

12:23SPEAKER- Well, no, no, I think there's something

12:24SPEAKERlike spinning in there, I think.

12:26SPEAKEROr maybe it's a speaker, I don't know.

12:28SPEAKERIt sounds, I feel it vibrating when it's on,

12:31SPEAKERso I think something is probably moving in there.

12:34SPEAKER- That's cool.

12:35SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty neat.

12:36SPEAKERI will look up the brand next time when I'm back home

12:39SPEAKERfor people who are curious.

12:40SPEAKERBut, and then I just use one of the many thousands

12:44SPEAKERof nameless white noise apps on the app store,

12:49SPEAKERon my phone when I travel, which actually has made me wonder

12:54SPEAKERthere's no harm in running your iPhone speaker

12:57SPEAKERat full volume, or not full volume,

12:59SPEAKERbut like pretty high volume for like eight straight hours

13:01SPEAKERa night for weeks or days on end, right?

13:04SPEAKER- You've been doing it for a long time, right?

13:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

13:06SPEAKER- It's probably fine.

13:07SPEAKER- Okay.

13:09SPEAKER- I do, so at nighttime, if it's just going to bed at night,

13:13SPEAKERour house is generally pretty quiet

13:14SPEAKERand I don't do any kind of noise for that.

13:18SPEAKERBut if I'm taking a nap in the afternoon,

13:20SPEAKERthe house is sometimes pretty loud,

13:21SPEAKERso I'll put in a pair of noise counseling earphones.

13:24SPEAKERAnd I like the sleepy playlist on Apple Music,

13:27SPEAKERwhich is like chill beats with like, you know,

13:32SPEAKERlots of chimes and stuff like that.

13:34SPEAKERIt's very good.

13:35SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds pretty good.

13:37SPEAKER- Very like new age.

13:38SPEAKERIt's like massage table music is what I think of.

13:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

13:42SPEAKERI actually, I'm the opposite.

13:44SPEAKERLike I need the white noise when it's too quiet.

13:47SPEAKERI think it's because I'm such a light sleeper

13:50SPEAKERthat any noise that pierces like absolute silence

13:53SPEAKERis going to wake me up guaranteed.

13:56SPEAKER- See, you can poke me with a stick and I'd be fine.

13:58SPEAKER- Oh, I'm so jealous.

14:01SPEAKERI low key despise people who are sound sleepers.

14:04SPEAKER- Well, this is awkward now.

14:06SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, the other thing is,

14:08SPEAKERas I have unfortunately developed ringing in my ears

14:12SPEAKERover the last couple of years.

14:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:14SPEAKER- The white noise helps you ignore that

14:16SPEAKERwhen you're trying to fall asleep.

14:17SPEAKER- That's the nice thing

14:19SPEAKERabout the noise canceling headphones, Joe,

14:20SPEAKERis you put just a tiny bit of noise and it goes away.

14:22SPEAKER- Yes.

14:24SPEAKER- Here's an email from Joe about eggnog.

14:27SPEAKEROoh, everyone's favorite topic.

14:29SPEAKERI love eggnog.

14:30SPEAKER- It is the season.

14:30SPEAKER- Yes, Joe getting a headstart on next year

14:33SPEAKERsince we're past holidays here,

14:34SPEAKERbut I need a new favorite eggnog brand.

14:38SPEAKERMy eggnog of choice used to be the one made by Borden.

14:41SPEAKERIt came in a can and it was found in the same aisle

14:43SPEAKERwith the condensed milk.

14:44SPEAKERThey eventually stopped using cans and switched to cartons

14:47SPEAKERand now it seems they don't sell it around me at all anymore.

14:50SPEAKERI know Will used to make eggnog

14:52SPEAKERbefore it tried to kill him,

14:54SPEAKERbut in the absence of homemade,

14:55SPEAKERdo you have a favorite brand of store-bought nog?

14:59SPEAKER- So, okay, first off,

15:01SPEAKERI'm gonna say making the eggnog, not that hard.

15:03SPEAKERI made like six gallons again this year, as is my way.

15:06SPEAKER- Yeah, you just have to be careful

15:07SPEAKERabout consuming it, right?

15:09SPEAKER- I can drink it.

15:10SPEAKERI just, there's a,

15:13SPEAKERI wouldn't wanna like have a big, giant drink of it

15:16SPEAKERand then go on a long road trip, if you know what I mean.

15:18SPEAKER- Got it, got it.

15:20SPEAKER- But the, so making it's not that hard.

15:25SPEAKERI use the Chef's Steps recipe.

15:27SPEAKERI got a lot of email, I got a lot of questions about it,

15:29SPEAKERbut it's just the Chef's Steps.

15:30SPEAKERI think it's velvety smooth eggnog and it's very good.

15:33SPEAKERI don't put fake rum or fake almond flavor in it.

15:37SPEAKERI let people add their own booze if they want

15:39SPEAKER'cause I have a lot of friends who don't drink now.

15:42SPEAKERThe recommendation on store-bought brands is to buy the,

15:47SPEAKERlike, look for the one from the fancy creamery near you.

15:50SPEAKERSo if there's some place that does like, you know,

15:53SPEAKERthe cream on top milk or whatever in the glass jars,

15:58SPEAKERjust buy the expensive eggnog from them

16:00SPEAKERand just drink a little bit of it 'cause that's much,

16:02SPEAKERlike I tend to think that the, I mean, I'm interested,

16:05SPEAKERI'm curious about the board and canned stuff

16:08SPEAKER'cause I have no idea what that would be like,

16:09SPEAKERbut my guess is that the good creamery stuff

16:14SPEAKERwill be closer to what you're looking for

16:16SPEAKERthan anything else.

16:17SPEAKER- Man, Borden is a brand I don't think I have encountered

16:20SPEAKERsince the grade school lunchroom.

16:22SPEAKER- They had a good cow on the label is all I remember.

16:25SPEAKER- Yeah, that's right.

16:26SPEAKER- You don't use a lot of evaporator condensed milk,

16:27SPEAKERI'm guessing.

16:28SPEAKER- Not so much.

16:29SPEAKER- Probably best.

16:30SPEAKER- Not so much.

16:33SPEAKERI found this email fascinating.

16:35SPEAKERYou may also find it fascinating and also like relevant

16:38SPEAKERto your current objectives and needs work-wise.

16:43SPEAKER- This is why this came in, I believe.

16:44SPEAKER- Yes, yes, specifically because of you talking about that.

16:48SPEAKERBut this, I found this very interesting.

16:50SPEAKERIt's from Joe.

16:53SPEAKERIn a recent episode, Will mentioned looking for work

16:55SPEAKERfor his diverse skillset and Brad identified

16:57SPEAKERwith that sort of generalized

16:58SPEAKERversus a specialized work history as well.

17:01SPEAKERWe're not actively hiring right now, sadly,

17:03SPEAKERbut I wanted to pass along some info about my role at Bungee

17:06SPEAKERwhich is production engineering.

17:08SPEAKERI gave a GDC talk on this role in 2019.

17:11SPEAKERI'll put that link in the show notes.

17:14SPEAKERBut in short, we act as frontline development support

17:17SPEAKERfor artists, designers, testers, engineers,

17:19SPEAKERbasically anyone working on the game.

17:22SPEAKERSort of like tech support, but for game tools

17:24SPEAKERor sort of like technical art,

17:26SPEAKERbut supporting all disciplines and developers

17:28SPEAKERinstead of just artists.

17:30SPEAKERWith our day-to-day experience unblocking folks,

17:32SPEAKERwe also identify workflow pain point trends

17:34SPEAKERand often end up writing little scripts

17:36SPEAKERto make things easier or building up research and data

17:39SPEAKERto advocate to full funded engineering teams

17:41SPEAKERto approve workflows.

17:43SPEAKERPlus since we're experienced with many of the tools

17:45SPEAKERand workflows, at least on a surface level,

17:47SPEAKERwe can usually jump in and help out anywhere as needed.

17:51SPEAKERWe all have a variety of backgrounds and work experience

17:53SPEAKERbefore coming to Bungee.

17:55SPEAKERAnd in the past when Wills described

17:56SPEAKERthe variety of his work on the Anacrusis,

17:58SPEAKERI thought about the overlap with the PE role.

18:02SPEAKERBrad's geeking out about build pipelines,

18:04SPEAKERalso felt like he liked the role as well.

18:07SPEAKERI thought I'd send it along to you

18:08SPEAKERjust to give you a heads up that roles like these exist

18:10SPEAKERand I think could be a good fit

18:12SPEAKERfor the types of skill sets y'all have described.

18:15SPEAKERI know Respawn also spun up

18:16SPEAKERa production engineer team last year

18:19SPEAKERand I've seen IO Interactive

18:20SPEAKERhas a role called frontline support engineer

18:22SPEAKERthat sounded very similar,

18:23SPEAKERbut it's not a discipline as widely known

18:25SPEAKERin the game industry as something like technical art yet.

18:31SPEAKERThat's awesome.

18:31SPEAKER- So yeah, this is, it's funny.

18:33SPEAKERI got several notes for, actually talking about this,

18:36SPEAKERI got a lot of niceness from people.

18:37SPEAKERSo thanks everybody for writing in and for reaching out.

18:42SPEAKERLike tech companies do have similar roles.

18:47SPEAKERI think Intel, a friend at Intel said

18:49SPEAKERthat they call them tech marketing engineers there.

18:54SPEAKERAnd they're the people who help build,

18:55SPEAKERhelp with benchmarks and stuff like that.

18:58SPEAKERThere's also people in the pipeline further

19:01SPEAKERthat helps support like the design engineers

19:03SPEAKERwith the same kind of problems, right?

19:05SPEAKERSo like they build tools to help optimize layouts

19:07SPEAKERand stuff like that, help them use the tooling better,

19:10SPEAKERnot necessarily using the thing.

19:14SPEAKERI thought it was interesting.

19:15SPEAKERI didn't know this was a role that existed.

19:16SPEAKERSo thanks for writing in.

19:18SPEAKERAnd yeah, that kind of stuff sounds fun.

19:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it sounds like the most Swiss army knife

19:22SPEAKERtype of role you could have in that environment almost.

19:25SPEAKER- Well, it's nice that there's a defined place

19:32SPEAKERfor like the kind of work that isn't like a full team job,

19:36SPEAKERbut is like, hey, I can spend three days,

19:39SPEAKERone person can spend three days working on this

19:41SPEAKERand significantly improve a lot of people's lives

19:43SPEAKERversus, hey, we need to rebuild the tool chain for this.

19:48SPEAKER'Cause often that, hey, I need to spend three days.

19:50SPEAKERThis is the thing that Dave Steider at Whiskey

19:53SPEAKERwas really, really good about.

19:55SPEAKERLike when we asked him to do a calculator

19:58SPEAKERso that we could put hours, minutes and seconds

20:00SPEAKERin on the podcast, he's like,

20:01SPEAKERhow long does it take you to do that every day?

20:04SPEAKERYou do the podcast once a week.

20:05SPEAKERYou have to do that calculation how often, once a week.

20:10SPEAKERAnd there's three people doing podcasts

20:11SPEAKERacross the whole company.

20:12SPEAKERAnd it would take us two days to put this in,

20:14SPEAKERwhich seemed excessive, but whatever.

20:17SPEAKER- Always, always over quote.

20:19SPEAKER- Yeah, always, yeah.

20:20SPEAKERThis is the engineer Scotty method of over, over, yeah.

20:24SPEAKERBut yeah, like thinking about it in terms of how much time

20:27SPEAKERis it gonna take to do the work versus how much time

20:31SPEAKERwill it take to implement the fix is a good place.

20:34SPEAKERAnyway, yeah, that's fun stuff.

20:38SPEAKERHere is, okay, let's move on to some Discord questions here.

20:41SPEAKERHere's one from simply bagel.

20:43SPEAKERDid you ever put dead batteries in the fridge

20:45SPEAKERwhen you were a kid to get some extra juice out of them?

20:47SPEAKERIs that a thing?

20:48SPEAKERI didn't know that was a thing.

20:50SPEAKER- Yes, I absolutely remember doing that

20:52SPEAKERand I don't have any idea.

20:54SPEAKERI don't know that I ever had at work.

21:00SPEAKERYou put them in the freezer, not in the fridge.

21:02SPEAKER- Oh, the freezer.

21:03SPEAKER- I mean, it's chemical and the energy.

21:05SPEAKERI mean, there's something chemical going on in there.

21:07SPEAKERI suppose changing the state or not fully changed

21:10SPEAKERstate changing the chemicals, but you know what I mean?

21:12SPEAKERLike affecting them thermally could potentially do something

21:16SPEAKERthat I'm speaking out of my depth on.

21:18SPEAKER- No, but that's not how it works.

21:19SPEAKER'Cause when you make them cool,

21:21SPEAKERyou're reducing the energy in the system

21:23SPEAKERand the chemical reaction is gonna happen slower

21:25SPEAKERas a result of the decreased energy in the batteries.

21:31SPEAKERLike the heat, the thermal energy,

21:33SPEAKERlike the batteries running at room temperature

21:34SPEAKERis gonna generate more reaction

21:37SPEAKERthan the batteries running at freezer temperature.

21:39SPEAKERSo I don't have any idea why that would work.

21:41SPEAKERI think this is just something kids said to do

21:44SPEAKERthat was not reliable.

21:46SPEAKERAlso you can create condensation when you pull them out,

21:48SPEAKERwhich is probably bad for a multitude of reasons.

21:52SPEAKERSo yeah, don't do that probably would be my advice.

21:56SPEAKER- The only trick I ever had

21:57SPEAKERwas to just open the battery compartment

21:59SPEAKERand spin them a little bit, just rotate them around.

22:02SPEAKERYeah, it would like a bunch of times

22:04SPEAKERwhen I've had like a TV remote seemingly be dead,

22:07SPEAKERjust kind of spinning them against,

22:10SPEAKERjust where they sit in the terminals

22:13SPEAKERwould get enough life out of the thing

22:15SPEAKERto get it to do whatever thing I need to do on the TV brief.

22:17SPEAKERI mean, it wouldn't last very long,

22:18SPEAKERbut long enough to like turn the TV off or whatever.

22:22SPEAKER- I wonder if you're reducing the resistance,

22:23SPEAKERjust like scraping the tarnish off the ends of the battery,

22:26SPEAKERjust reduces the resistance enough

22:28SPEAKERto get a few more electrons through there.

22:30SPEAKER- I don't know, speaking of alkaline batteries,

22:33SPEAKERI've been going through some stuff in the storage area

22:36SPEAKERwhile I've been here at home,

22:38SPEAKERjust kind of going through some of my old stuff.

22:41SPEAKERI found a tiger handheld, remember those?

22:43SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I love those.

22:44SPEAKERDid you watch the soccer one, the baseball one,

22:45SPEAKERthe football one?

22:46SPEAKER- This was mouse maze.

22:48SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

22:49SPEAKER- Do you remember mouse maze?

22:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I remember mouse maze.

22:52SPEAKERWe had a rousing swap agreement at my elementary school

22:57SPEAKERwhere people would bring those in

22:58SPEAKERand we'd swap them and play different ones.

23:00SPEAKERI had the soccer one,

23:01SPEAKERwhich was one of the better games as I recall.

23:04SPEAKER- You're just older enough than me.

23:06SPEAKERLike by the time I was old enough for tiger handhelds,

23:08SPEAKERthe Game Boy was imminent,

23:10SPEAKERbut you got a few years on me

23:12SPEAKERso I could see that you probably had a good chunk of time,

23:14SPEAKERa good run where the tiger handhelds were a thing.

23:17SPEAKER- Well, and they were cheap too.

23:18SPEAKERThe Game Boy was kind of, like Game Boy,

23:20SPEAKERthe Game Boy was expensive and it wasn't,

23:23SPEAKERI was almost too old for the Game Boy

23:25SPEAKERby the time the Game Boy came out.

23:26SPEAKER- Oh, you're never too old for a Game Boy.

23:28SPEAKER- Well, I know that now, but at the time we had some,

23:31SPEAKERlike the fifth graders had some real strong feelings

23:34SPEAKERabout what was an appropriate age to be playing a,

23:37SPEAKERyou know, Game Boy. - Something called a Game Boy.

23:39SPEAKERYes. - Yeah.

23:39SPEAKER- Anyway, that mouse maze unit first of all,

23:44SPEAKERhad a copyright date of 1987,

23:45SPEAKERwhich was not necessarily exactly when I got it,

23:48SPEAKERbut somewhere in the ballpark,

23:50SPEAKERthere were still batteries in it.

23:52SPEAKER- Wow, were they torch?

23:54SPEAKER- Those batteries cannot have been put in there

23:57SPEAKERany later than like 1990, I would say.

24:00SPEAKER- Are they not corroded?

24:01SPEAKER- They had significantly corroded.

24:02SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

24:03SPEAKER- Yeah, that's where I was leading with that.

24:06SPEAKER- So you can take that out and if you soak that,

24:09SPEAKERif you can disconnect the terminals from the board,

24:12SPEAKERyou can recover that probably.

24:14SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

24:14SPEAKER- Or you can solder new terminals on the board,

24:16SPEAKERbut that's a bigger job.

24:17SPEAKER- Yeah, they were real bad corroded.

24:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say it was probably

24:21SPEAKERone whole solid chunk of battery, right?

24:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:24SPEAKER- Yes, pretty close.

24:25SPEAKER- It's not good, I'm sorry.

24:26SPEAKER- Ah, it's all right.

24:27SPEAKER- Always take your batteries out of stuff

24:28SPEAKERbefore you store it, especially lithium ion stuff.

24:32SPEAKER- Yes, most everything else, still good,

24:35SPEAKERor I had done that, but poor mouse maze.

24:38SPEAKER- I know.

24:40SPEAKER- All right, we're gonna take a stab at this question,

24:42SPEAKERalthough it's a little hard to get good data

24:46SPEAKERto really predict this,

24:47SPEAKERbut here's a question from SuperPants.

24:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:51SPEAKER- Do you think we'll be able to buy

24:53SPEAKERa petabyte hard drive off the shelf?

24:55SPEAKERAnd then actually, sorry,

24:57SPEAKERI inserted the word hard drive there.

24:59SPEAKERHe just said, actually, now that I reread this,

25:02SPEAKERI spent way too much time looking up hard drive trends

25:04SPEAKERand didn't, okay, let's broaden this question.

25:08SPEAKERDo you think we'll be able to buy a petabyte drive

25:10SPEAKERoff the shelf in the next decade?

25:12SPEAKER- Like at Best Buy, no, from a specialty place, maybe.

25:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, you can buy a petabyte NAS right now

25:22SPEAKERnot a whole lot of money

25:24SPEAKERfor the amount of storage you're getting.

25:25SPEAKER- Yeah, well, that's multiple disks, you know?

25:27SPEAKERThat's like, of course you can assemble

25:29SPEAKERone logical unit of storage that's over a petabyte now,

25:32SPEAKERbut I think for the purposes of the thought experiment,

25:35SPEAKERit has to be like one single drive off in a retail box.

25:39SPEAKER- So on the hard drive front,

25:41SPEAKERI don't think we're gonna get there in a decade.

25:43SPEAKERI think we're at the limits of what we can do right now

25:45SPEAKERwith shingled magnetic recording on the spinning platters.

25:52SPEAKERAnd most of the enhancements that we're seeing

25:54SPEAKERcoming from hard drive manufacturers

25:56SPEAKERare in the incremental advance

25:59SPEAKERrather than the big giant advancements.

26:02SPEAKERSo it's like going from vertical to shingled

26:07SPEAKERand going from putting helium inside the drive

26:10SPEAKERso that there's less turbulence

26:12SPEAKERso you can put more disks in and stuff like that

26:14SPEAKERis showing incremental improvements.

26:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that kind of reminds me of what happened with CPUs,

26:20SPEAKERyou know, where we finally just hit a,

26:23SPEAKERafter all the brute force,

26:24SPEAKERjust linear increases in clock speed on CPUs,

26:26SPEAKERlike we finally hit a hard limit on that,

26:29SPEAKERand so they have to start finding all kinds of other ways

26:31SPEAKERto make CPUs faster instead.

26:33SPEAKER- Yeah, so--

26:34SPEAKER- Or do more work.

26:35SPEAKER- Now, there are a couple of things coming on hard drives.

26:40SPEAKERSeagate has a thing called

26:44SPEAKERheat-assisted magnetic recording

26:46SPEAKERthat uses a laser to warm the bits

26:51SPEAKERbecause that reduces the resistance to change,

26:54SPEAKERand they can pack them in at a 10x density, basically,

26:58SPEAKERover existing technologies.

27:01SPEAKERNow, there's probably gonna be some downsides

27:03SPEAKER'cause it's gonna, my guess is with the laser spot heating,

27:05SPEAKERit's gonna be slower, right?

27:08SPEAKERSlower writes.

27:09SPEAKER- Sure.

27:11SPEAKER- And a 10x increase in density

27:13SPEAKERis still only gonna get us to like 200 terabyte drives

27:15SPEAKERversus 20 terabyte drives today, right?

27:18SPEAKERSo I don't think petabytes are possible on spinning disks

27:22SPEAKERunless we go back to the big five and a quarter inch,

27:25SPEAKERyou know, the big boys like we used to have in the '90s.

27:29SPEAKER- Yeah, looks like a--

27:30SPEAKER- The solid state side's a little different, yeah.

27:32SPEAKER- Yeah, sorry, let me jump in before you go to SSDs.

27:35SPEAKERIt looks like Seagate has announced a 30 terabyte drive.

27:39SPEAKERI don't know that it's quite on the market yet,

27:42SPEAKERbut anyway, that looks like that's the state of the art

27:44SPEAKERin hard drives is about 30 terabytes in a drive right now.

27:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:48SPEAKER- Anyway, SSDs.

27:50SPEAKER- So the SSDs are limited by density

27:53SPEAKERand you know, you can buy a really long SSD right now

27:59SPEAKERfor the data center, right?

28:00SPEAKERSo like there are data center SSDs that are longer

28:04SPEAKERthan the ones you put in your normal gaming PC

28:07SPEAKERthat hold more chips and more density

28:10SPEAKERand the 3D stacking of the NAND seems to be something

28:17SPEAKERthat can, I don't know what it's,

28:19SPEAKERI don't want to say it's infinite,

28:20SPEAKERbut like there's performance implications

28:25SPEAKERand stuff like that, but they're still holding

28:27SPEAKERmore bits per cell or more bits per square inch

28:32SPEAKERand then there's also like quad level NAND

28:33SPEAKERand stuff like that, quad level cells,

28:35SPEAKERwhich can store four bits per cell instead of one

28:38SPEAKERand like it's possible, I don't think we're gonna get

28:41SPEAKERto a petabyte on NAND in 10 years,

28:44SPEAKERbut maybe that's a little wilder.

28:47SPEAKER- I just found an article that it seems like

28:49SPEAKERit's tailor made to answer this exact question.

28:51SPEAKER- Okay.

28:52SPEAKER- This was at the China flash memory market summit

28:56SPEAKERin March of last year, Samsung actually explicitly said

29:01SPEAKERthey expect to hit a one petabyte capacity on an SSD

29:05SPEAKERwithin a decade.

29:06SPEAKER- Oh, okay, well there you go.

29:07SPEAKER- Utilizing all the stuff you mentioned,

29:09SPEAKERbut who knows if that'll actually be available commercially

29:13SPEAKERor if that's just like, hey, we have done this in a lab,

29:16SPEAKERlike as a prototype or something like that,

29:17SPEAKERbut it's exactly what you said.

29:19SPEAKERIt's just like layers upon layers of stacked memory

29:22SPEAKERand stuff like that.

29:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the other thing is that the process tech

29:28SPEAKERis easier to advance, it seems like,

29:30SPEAKERthan like NAND does well at lower,

29:33SPEAKERat smaller process texts or process sizes

29:36SPEAKERand NAND process sizes are still relatively large.

29:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I wonder if maybe the more interesting question

29:41SPEAKERhere is, is flash memory, is NAND going to surpass

29:46SPEAKERhard drives finally in the next decade?

29:48SPEAKER'Cause hard drives progress is going to slow down

29:50SPEAKERand SSD accelerate to the point that SSDs are actually

29:54SPEAKERbigger than hard drives finally.

29:55SPEAKER- Well, so--

29:56SPEAKER- And or price per terabyte or whatever.

29:59SPEAKER- I did the math the other day and like my current NAS,

30:02SPEAKERwhich has three 14 terabyte drives in it, I think,

30:06SPEAKERis, it would be really expensive to do that with SSDs.

30:11SPEAKERI could easily replace the last NAS with two terabyte SSDs

30:16SPEAKERand have a fraction of the cost of what it would have cost,

30:20SPEAKERyou know, it's like, if you bought those SSDs on sale now,

30:24SPEAKERyou could get 'em for 100, 150 bucks per,

30:28SPEAKERfor two terabyte SSDs.

30:29SPEAKERNow, with NVMe SSDs, the problem is how do you actually,

30:34SPEAKERyou probably don't have enough slots, so you're looking

30:36SPEAKERat SATA SSDs, so you're not seeing, you're still seeing

30:39SPEAKERbetter access times and stuff like that than you do

30:41SPEAKERand write speeds than you do on a hard drive,

30:44SPEAKERbut it's not, you know, it's not the same kind

30:47SPEAKERof performance improvement that you do with a PCIe 4 SSD

30:50SPEAKERor something like that.

30:51SPEAKER- Yeah, the other option there is like a PCI express card

30:53SPEAKERthat would accommodate multiple drives.

30:55SPEAKER- That's true.

30:55SPEAKER- But you'd need to, you would need to use a lot

30:57SPEAKERof your lanes on a motherboard to get the full speed

31:01SPEAKERof all those drives at one time.

31:03SPEAKER- Never enough lanes.

31:04SPEAKER- Never enough lanes, ever.

31:05SPEAKER- Ever.

31:08SPEAKER- Shifty Lightfoots asks, how would you make the perfect

31:11SPEAKERpeanut butter and jelly sandwich?

31:13SPEAKERWhat kind of bread, how thick are the slices, toasted?

31:16SPEAKERWhat kind of peanut butter, creamy or crunchy,

31:18SPEAKERjelly or jam, what kind, this is a lot of questions.

31:22SPEAKERWow, crumb coat of peanut butter on both slices.

31:25SPEAKER- Somebody's been making cakes.

31:27SPEAKER- What's that?

31:28SPEAKER- Somebody's been making cakes.

31:29SPEAKER- Yeah, to keep the jelly from soaking into the bread?

31:32SPEAKEROr does that make it too easy for the jelly to escape?

31:36SPEAKER- Okay.

31:36SPEAKER- I'm guessing, I'm guessing you have stronger feelings

31:38SPEAKERabout this to me.

31:39SPEAKER- Do you not eat, I mean, well, okay, so I have a kid,

31:42SPEAKERso I've been eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches

31:44SPEAKERin a way that I didn't probably a decade ago.

31:46SPEAKER- That's fair, I mean, let me be clear, I love a PB&J,

31:49SPEAKERI just, I'm not, I'll kind of take whatever

31:52SPEAKERwith basically one exception, then we'll get to going.

31:55SPEAKER- Okay, so if I'm making a base PBJ for my kid,

32:00SPEAKERit's like raspberry jam, I do a little bit of peanut butter

32:05SPEAKERon both sides, more on one side than the other.

32:09SPEAKERWhite, like whatever the bread or white wheat,

32:12SPEAKERdoesn't matter, she likes no crust.

32:15SPEAKERI like the crust, personally.

32:18SPEAKERI don't put enough jelly on for the crumb coat

32:21SPEAKERon both sides of the bread to be a jelly squirting problem.

32:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:27SPEAKER- If I'm making a PB&J, I get a little nuts

32:31SPEAKERand I put like apple, I'll put some really green apple

32:34SPEAKERslices if we have them on there.

32:36SPEAKER- Wow.

32:38SPEAKER- I don't put a whole lot of, honestly, I'm partial

32:41SPEAKERto a PB&B, peanut butter and banana a little bit more.

32:45SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

32:46SPEAKER- That's my preference, but do you remember Specialties?

32:51SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

32:52SPEAKER- You used to work downtown.

32:53SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

32:54SPEAKER- They had such a good PB&J.

32:55SPEAKER- Oh man, that place was so good

32:58SPEAKERand I never even considered getting, wow.

33:00SPEAKER'Cause I think they're gone now, right?

33:01SPEAKERI think they were a casualty of the pandemic.

33:03SPEAKERThat's very sad that I never tried that.

33:06SPEAKER- Hold on, it's easy to make.

33:08SPEAKERSo they did a CD bread and it had,

33:12SPEAKERthat's where I got the green apple idea.

33:17SPEAKERThe Specialties Cafe Peanut Butter and Stuffed Sando was,

33:23SPEAKERoh man, I just have the nutritional recommendation,

33:26SPEAKERnutritional information.

33:27SPEAKER- Oops.

33:28SPEAKER- It had cranberry sauce on it, which was unbelievable.

33:31SPEAKER- Wow.

33:31SPEAKER- 'Cause it was like tart and they did,

33:33SPEAKERit was so freaking good.

33:35SPEAKER- Wild.

33:38SPEAKER- I do not, I do not see a recipe or a list of ingredients

33:46SPEAKERfor it, which is a bummer, I'll have to track that down.

33:48SPEAKER- Well, actually I may have some good,

33:50SPEAKERwell, kind of good news.

33:52SPEAKER- Okay.

33:53SPEAKER- Good news for the people of Mountain View and Brisbane.

33:56SPEAKERBrisbane.

33:57SPEAKER- Brisbane, California?

33:59SPEAKER- Yeah, the Bay Area one, how do people say that?

34:00SPEAKERBrisbane. - Yeah, Brisbane.

34:01SPEAKEROh, wow.

34:02SPEAKER- Apparently Specialties does survive in those two places.

34:06SPEAKER- Oh, the Brisbane one's the one I used to order from

34:08SPEAKERwhen I worked at Future.

34:09SPEAKER- Okay, so they're not gone.

34:11SPEAKERSo hang on, I'm gonna look up their PB&J right now.

34:13SPEAKER- This doesn't look the same as it used to.

34:14SPEAKER- Mm, mm.

34:17SPEAKERLook, a lot of things have changed.

34:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I think this is, oh no, it says--

34:22SPEAKER- It says re-established 2022.

34:25SPEAKER- Is this a pretender Specialties?

34:28SPEAKEROh, you're right, re-established 2022, weird.

34:30SPEAKERMaybe this could actually be new ownership.

34:33SPEAKER- Wow, I'm excited.

34:34SPEAKERThat barbecue pulled chicken sandwich is a banger

34:38SPEAKERif it's the same one.

34:40SPEAKERThe beef and blue was always good too.

34:42SPEAKERI do not see a PB& stuff here.

34:44SPEAKER- I don't either, I put PB& stuff.

34:46SPEAKER- That's what they called it.

34:47SPEAKER- Interesting.

34:50SPEAKERI'll just answer real fast, I kind of don't care about it.

34:54SPEAKERWell, okay, I definitely don't care about the bread,

34:56SPEAKERjust whatever's around.

35:00SPEAKERMy staunch peanut butter stance now

35:02SPEAKERis no sugar in peanut butter.

35:04SPEAKER- 100%, yeah.

35:05SPEAKER- I like the peanut butter

35:07SPEAKERthat just says ingredients peanuts.

35:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:10SPEAKER- Is kind of what I eat for peanut butter these days.

35:12SPEAKERAnd as a bonus, you get a good upper body workout

35:16SPEAKERstirring that peanut butter when you buy it.

35:18SPEAKER- We've talked about that.

35:20SPEAKER- You could also get no sugar peanut butters

35:22SPEAKERthat are homogenized enough

35:24SPEAKERthat you don't have to stir 'em too.

35:26SPEAKER- And then I have to default to grape.

35:31SPEAKERGrape jelly is the default J for me.

35:36SPEAKERWe just apologize for my preference in jelly.

35:39SPEAKER- Look, I'm not judging.

35:41SPEAKERI am judging a little bit, but we do...

35:45SPEAKERI live unfortunately in a smooth peanut butter house.

35:47SPEAKERI'm a crunchy peanut butter person.

35:49SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

35:49SPEAKERWell, I can go either way on that one, but...

35:51SPEAKER- I like a little extra tooth in there.

35:53SPEAKER- Sure.

35:56SPEAKER- We do Jif natural creamy is the one that we normally do.

36:00SPEAKERAnd I think it has something in there

36:01SPEAKERthat lets it not require stirring.

36:04SPEAKER- Interesting.

36:05SPEAKERI didn't know they were doing natural peanut butter now.

36:07SPEAKER- Yeah, we used to be the grease on the top of people

36:14SPEAKERand the volume of peanut butter sandwiches we make

36:17SPEAKERmade for a while change that.

36:20SPEAKER- Well, hey, remember, I told you about my trick.

36:22SPEAKERYou just gotta rotate it every 24 hours

36:24SPEAKERfor a couple of days before you open it.

36:26SPEAKER- That would mean we'd have to rotate it.

36:28SPEAKERI need a machine that rotates it every 24 hours.

36:30SPEAKER- There you go.

36:31SPEAKER- It has palm oil.

36:32SPEAKERIt does have sugar, so I didn't realize that.

36:35SPEAKER- Okay.

36:36SPEAKERI think somebody once recommended a mechanical paint stirrer

36:39SPEAKERto me for stirring natural peanut butter.

36:42SPEAKER- I can see that.

36:43SPEAKER- Oh, sure.

36:44SPEAKER- You should just take it.

36:45SPEAKERThere's a paint shop by your house.

36:46SPEAKERYou should just take it in there and put it on the shaker.

36:49SPEAKER- That's true.

36:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:50SPEAKERJust be like, hey, can I borrow this for a minute?

36:52SPEAKERAnd then, yeah, I'll consider that.

36:56SPEAKERAll right.

36:57SPEAKERQuestion for Fishy J.

37:00SPEAKERWhat is the preferred way to lay out an L-shaped desk?

37:03SPEAKERScreens in the corner, everything on one side?

37:08SPEAKERWe had L-shaped desks when it was the last time I was at CBS

37:11SPEAKERor for part of that time.

37:13SPEAKERI hate sitting in the nook.

37:14SPEAKERI hate sitting in the corner.

37:15SPEAKER- Never the crotch.

37:16SPEAKER- I cannot, and that's how they had everybody set up

37:18SPEAKERwhen I got there.

37:19SPEAKERI immediately dismantled all of the stuff on the desk

37:21SPEAKERthat required me to sit in the nook.

37:24SPEAKER- Yeah, well, it's bad for you.

37:26SPEAKERYou don't have the right angles.

37:28SPEAKERYour angles for mousing and keyboarding

37:30SPEAKERare always gonna be jacked.

37:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't even consider

37:32SPEAKERthe ergonomic implications there.

37:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's terrible.

37:34SPEAKER- Your arms can't extend straight out at right angles

37:37SPEAKERlike they're supposed to with the corners

37:38SPEAKERor with the slanted desk like that.

37:40SPEAKER- No, so yeah, don't do that.

37:42SPEAKERPick a side.

37:43SPEAKERYou gotta pick a side.

37:44SPEAKERI put the stuff on the long side,

37:46SPEAKERand then the other side is for crap.

37:48SPEAKERI don't have an L-shaped desk,

37:50SPEAKERbut my stuff is lined up that way right now

37:51SPEAKER'cause I have some shelves on the right of my desk

37:55SPEAKERthat have the mixer and all that stuff on 'em.

37:58SPEAKER- That sounds fun.

37:59SPEAKERThat is one of the innumerable goals I would have

38:02SPEAKERif I were to move into a house is have an L-shaped desk,

38:06SPEAKERhave the space and fill it with two desks.

38:09SPEAKER- Well, I like the sit-stand for the main desk,

38:13SPEAKERand I don't wanna have a sit-stand L-shaped desk

38:15SPEAKER'cause that's too much.

38:16SPEAKERIt's like a lot of going up and down, but the, yeah.

38:20SPEAKER- Put the less essential stuff on the part

38:22SPEAKERthat doesn't go up and down, maybe.

38:24SPEAKER- That's the thing.

38:24SPEAKERThe stuff was, it turns out you put the stuff

38:26SPEAKERthat doesn't need wires that has less wiring

38:29SPEAKERor that the wiring is independent of the computer,

38:31SPEAKERand then it works out.

38:32SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

38:33SPEAKERI probably, if I had an L,

38:35SPEAKERI'd probably put like a small TV on.

38:39SPEAKER- Makes sense.

38:39SPEAKER- The longer part of the L, maybe like a little,

38:41SPEAKERlike just a nice flat open workspace, you know,

38:43SPEAKERlike a place to unroll the soldering mat

38:45SPEAKERand do some soldering or something like that.

38:48SPEAKER- So the left side of my desk,

38:49SPEAKERI have a place to build Lego or do soldering.

38:51SPEAKERI have a cutting mat there to protect the desktop

38:53SPEAKERfrom whatever I'm doing.

38:56SPEAKERBut yeah, it would be nice to have a bigger space for that

38:59SPEAKERand the way to set up dedicated cameras and stuff for it.

39:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:05SPEAKEROkay, I haven't even read this entire,

39:07SPEAKERyou bolded this one, so hopefully you've got an answer.

39:09SPEAKERI haven't actually read the whole thing yet.

39:10SPEAKER- Yep.

39:11SPEAKER- From Paters Victor.

39:14SPEAKERI need a solution to get wifi and a camera to our sheep shed

39:18SPEAKERlocated 120 meters from our house.

39:21SPEAKERIn house, we got a fiber connection and a Nighthawk router

39:24SPEAKERthat's been adequate for our needs.

39:26SPEAKERWe're looking for a cheap and stable solution.

39:29SPEAKERAre there any good wifi extenders

39:31SPEAKERor should we get some kind of mesh network going?

39:34SPEAKERAre there any good mesh solutions for outdoor use?

39:36SPEAKERA big plus if the camera is home kit compatible.

39:40SPEAKER- So 120 meters is far, just to be clear.

39:43SPEAKERLike normally I would say take an ethernet cable

39:47SPEAKERand run a slit trench

39:48SPEAKERand then put another access point out there.

39:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I was going to jokingly say bury an ethernet cable,

39:53SPEAKERbut actually maybe the serious answer

39:55SPEAKERis also bury an ethernet cable.

39:56SPEAKER- Well, so like my folks at their place have 120.

40:02SPEAKERIt's more than that to go from the point

40:03SPEAKERwhere the cell service like they had cellular internet

40:09SPEAKERservice for a long time and they ran a fiber ethernet

40:11SPEAKERbasically over that distance.

40:14SPEAKER'Cause you can't do traditional copper ethernet

40:18SPEAKERmore than a hundred meters reliably.

40:19SPEAKER- Wow, yes, it didn't even click for me

40:22SPEAKERthat this is straight up over that limit

40:24SPEAKERfor normal ethernet.

40:25SPEAKER- Yeah, but you can't do fiber

40:27SPEAKER'cause you can, but you need power on one end or the other

40:29SPEAKERfor that to work, maybe both.

40:31SPEAKERFiber is crazy if you like,

40:34SPEAKERand also you can just get cheap fiber

40:35SPEAKERon like Amazon these days.

40:36SPEAKERLike there's fiber networking cable is not that expensive,

40:41SPEAKERbut it's hilarious to go on there

40:43SPEAKERand find cables that are rated in terms of kilometers.

40:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

40:49SPEAKER- Not that you're buying it in kilometer spools,

40:50SPEAKERbut what I mean is the signal integrity

40:53SPEAKERis rated to go like multiple kilometers.

40:56SPEAKER- Yeah, and so the nice thing about that

40:58SPEAKERis assuming you're not digging willy nilly,

41:00SPEAKERyou can literally take a shovel

41:02SPEAKERand do a four inch, you know, do cuts, right?

41:05SPEAKERLike stomp your foot down on the shovel

41:07SPEAKERand wedge it up four or five inches

41:10SPEAKERand then jam the cable down in there.

41:12SPEAKERIt's not gonna last forever,

41:13SPEAKERbut it'll probably last long enough that you don't care.

41:16SPEAKERThe 120 meters is a long way to do that though.

41:22SPEAKERThe thing I would probably do if you don't wanna dig

41:25SPEAKERis get what's called a point-to-point wireless bridge.

41:28SPEAKERSo TP-Link makes them, Ubiquiti makes them,

41:31SPEAKERthere's a whole bunch of really questionable

41:33SPEAKERlooking ones on Amazon that I don't know anything about.

41:38SPEAKERBasically you need both ends,

41:39SPEAKERso you need one end at the house

41:41SPEAKERand one end at the sheep shed.

41:42SPEAKERAnd then you'll also need something,

41:44SPEAKERan access point that will provide Wi-Fi

41:47SPEAKERat the shed end as well,

41:49SPEAKERwhich is just a normal mesh end point or whatever.

41:55SPEAKEROr just a normal Ubiquiti or TP-Link access point,

41:58SPEAKERno router.

41:59SPEAKERSo the TP-Link and Ubiquiti ones were 65 to 75 dollars.

42:04SPEAKERThe TP-Link one that looked good

42:06SPEAKERand had 5,000 positive ratings was like,

42:08SPEAKERis this CPE 710?

42:11SPEAKERThey're 75 bucks each and then your access point

42:13SPEAKERwill be another 50 or 100 bucks on that

42:15SPEAKERbased on which kind you add.

42:17SPEAKERThese use AC and they give you an 867 megabit

42:21SPEAKERpoint-to-point connection.

42:23SPEAKERAnd they do need power.

42:24SPEAKERBut I think you can use PoE

42:25SPEAKERand I believe that the TP-Link one,

42:27SPEAKERwhich is 10 bucks more than the Ubiquiti one,

42:30SPEAKERcame with a PoE injector if you don't have a switch

42:32SPEAKERthat has that power of ethernet,

42:33SPEAKERwhich I wouldn't expect you to have probably.

42:36SPEAKER- Do those require line of sight

42:37SPEAKERor is it that kind of point-to-point

42:38SPEAKERor is this just like a custom kind of shaped antenna,

42:41SPEAKERlike shaped signal?

42:42SPEAKER- Yeah, so my guess is they'll probably go through trees,

42:45SPEAKERnot trunks, but like leaves.

42:48SPEAKERThey have big parabolic antennas with a projector

42:52SPEAKERand they can go several hundred meters, it looked like.

42:57SPEAKER- So this is just a standard radio signal then?

43:00SPEAKER'Cause I have also heard of,

43:01SPEAKERI have no idea what this is called,

43:03SPEAKERbut I've heard of some people getting line of sight

43:06SPEAKERinternet access set up that actually,

43:09SPEAKERI don't know if they're using lasers

43:10SPEAKERor what's going on there,

43:11SPEAKERthat actually do have to point at each other

43:13SPEAKERand not be blocked by anything.

43:15SPEAKER- So these have to point at each other.

43:17SPEAKERLike I said, foliage probably blocking is fine,

43:19SPEAKERbut if there's ground in between them,

43:21SPEAKERit's not gonna work.

43:24SPEAKERSo these operate at five gigahertz,

43:26SPEAKERthese just use normal wifi.

43:28SPEAKERYou can get a 60 gigahertz connection.

43:31SPEAKERUbiquiti makes those, they call them building links.

43:34SPEAKERThe idea is you put them on the top of your buildings

43:36SPEAKERand aim them at each other,

43:36SPEAKERand those require direct line of sight.

43:39SPEAKER60 gigahertz won't penetrate stuff,

43:41SPEAKERbut they'll give you like a 10 gigabit connection

43:43SPEAKERbetween the points.

43:44SPEAKERThey're also $1,000 each for the endpoints, so it's like--

43:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds more like what I had heard of.

43:50SPEAKER- Yeah, those are like an industrial,

43:53SPEAKERlike they literally had them on top of,

43:54SPEAKERlike the pictures of them in use

43:57SPEAKERwas on top of big, giant high-rises on different campuses

44:00SPEAKERwhere they don't have a direct wired link

44:02SPEAKERto each other, basically.

44:03SPEAKERSo you just, you know,

44:04SPEAKERpig pony piggyback off of the wireless.

44:10SPEAKERAnyway.

44:12SPEAKER- I have to ask, they mentioned the sheep shed.

44:14SPEAKERDo you think there, is that just like a--

44:17SPEAKER- It's a shed where the sheep live, Brad.

44:19SPEAKER- Right, but do you think there are literal sheep

44:20SPEAKERinvolved here, or is that just like a holdover

44:22SPEAKERfrom an earlier time when sheep were involved

44:24SPEAKERin this sort of shed?

44:26SPEAKER- My guess is, so my sister uses something similar to this

44:29SPEAKERto do at her horse barn.

44:31SPEAKERSo she, like, it's nice to have cameras

44:33SPEAKERwhen you have livestock that is having babies.

44:37SPEAKERSo you can go, so you can like roll over in bed

44:39SPEAKERand look at a camera at a screen

44:42SPEAKERand see if the horse is in labor or sheep is in labor

44:46SPEAKERand you need to get up and walk over.

44:48SPEAKERIn the old days, before we had security cameras

44:50SPEAKERthat were cheap, my sister would get up every three hours

44:53SPEAKERwhen she was in high school and walk over to the barn

44:56SPEAKERand look and see if the mare was foaling.

44:59SPEAKERAnd if the mare was not foaling, she'd walk back,

45:00SPEAKERor sometimes she'd just set up a sleeping bag

45:02SPEAKERand a cot in the bed when it was looking like it was close.

45:06SPEAKER- So if that's an indicated-- - In a spare stall.

45:08SPEAKERWell, I mean, you don't wanna lose your livestock.

45:11SPEAKER- Did I talk about sheep herding recently on here

45:13SPEAKERin the context of YouTube, or have I not?

45:16SPEAKER- Wait, are you watching sheep herding YouTube?

45:18SPEAKER- That's the whole reason I got excited here

45:20SPEAKERis that I'm on the cusp of falling down

45:21SPEAKERa new YouTube rabbit hole.

45:23SPEAKER- Oh, it's good.

45:24SPEAKER- Which all started with,

45:26SPEAKERthis was going around on Twitter,

45:27SPEAKERbut it was actually this guy's TikTok account,

45:29SPEAKERbut he also has a YouTube channel,

45:30SPEAKERSean the Sheep Man, S-E-A-N, Sean.

45:35SPEAKER- He lives in New Zealand?

45:36SPEAKER- No, he's a Scottish sheep farmer.

45:39SPEAKERWhat I actually was fascinated by

45:41SPEAKERwas the herding dogs that he uses,

45:42SPEAKER'cause he's got a bunch of,

45:44SPEAKERI haven't gotten into it too much yet,

45:45SPEAKERbut he's got a bunch of really exhaustive videos

45:47SPEAKERup on his YouTube channel

45:48SPEAKERthat go through all the commands that he teaches the dogs

45:51SPEAKERand how they teach the dogs and at what time

45:53SPEAKERand watching the dogs work and watching him command them

45:56SPEAKERand how happy they look.

45:59SPEAKERLike those herding dogs look happier

46:01SPEAKERthan any animal I've ever seen when they are done herding.

46:03SPEAKER- Well, so.

46:04SPEAKER- And it's kind of beautiful to watch.

46:07SPEAKER- We had a Corgi for a long time for folks who don't know,

46:09SPEAKERand there's a place up in Sonoma

46:13SPEAKERthat you could take herding dogs

46:15SPEAKERand let them go out with dogs that know how to herd.

46:19SPEAKER- Wait, are Corgis herding dogs?

46:21SPEAKER- Corgis are herding dogs.

46:22SPEAKER- I did not know that.

46:23SPEAKER- Yeah, they're sheep herding and cow and horses.

46:27SPEAKERWhen we took her back east,

46:28SPEAKERshe immediately wanted to go try to herd the horses,

46:30SPEAKERwhich would have resulted in her being killed probably.

46:32SPEAKER- Yikes.

46:33SPEAKER- But yeah, like you could take them out

46:36SPEAKERand they'll let you herd the sheep

46:37SPEAKERwith the other dogs that know how to herd

46:39SPEAKERand teach them, help you teach them basic herding commands.

46:43SPEAKERI wish we had done it.

46:44SPEAKERWe didn't know about it until she was too old

46:46SPEAKERto do it probably, unfortunately.

46:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:50SPEAKER- All right, next question here.

46:54SPEAKERMr. Radical Bomb wrote in,

46:57SPEAKERyou brought up fixing your own iPhones

46:59SPEAKERor even a sideline business of fixing phones recently.

47:02SPEAKERI live in central Wyoming where the nearest Apple store

47:05SPEAKERis seven hours away by car.

47:07SPEAKEROof, so I do a side business fixing iPhones and some iPads.

47:11SPEAKERI would probably decline replacing the battery

47:13SPEAKERin Brad's iPad as the batteries suck to remove

47:16SPEAKERand I would be very nervous about breaking the screen

47:18SPEAKERas I removed it.

47:20SPEAKERNow, if I was replacing a broken screen,

47:22SPEAKERthen swapping the battery while I'm in there

47:24SPEAKERmight be worth doing.

47:25SPEAKERAnytime I get a new screen, it comes with a new seal,

47:28SPEAKERso they should always leave me with a fresh waterproof seal.

47:31SPEAKERI don't fix Android devices as the parts are more expensive

47:34SPEAKERand they take a lot longer to fix.

47:37SPEAKERIf you're curious about any other aspects

47:38SPEAKERof doing a sideline phone repair business, feel free to ask.

47:42SPEAKER- Yeah, the Apple has done a,

47:44SPEAKERwith the exception of stuff like gluing the batteries

47:46SPEAKERinto the iPads and gluing the screens onto the iPads,

47:50SPEAKERthey've done a better job making the phone screens

47:53SPEAKERreplaceable, it's like I had to fix one for somebody

47:56SPEAKERa few months ago and it was surprisingly fast.

47:59SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool, that's cool to hear.

48:03SPEAKEROn the flip side of that,

48:04SPEAKERsomehow in my YouTube recommendations recently

48:06SPEAKERhave come up a lot of videos of, it's mostly one channel,

48:09SPEAKERbut justifiably ranting about the way

48:11SPEAKERthat modern MacBooks are designed,

48:13SPEAKERspecifically with the memory and actually the worst part

48:15SPEAKERis the SSD being soldered to the main board

48:18SPEAKERbecause I can't believe I never thought about this

48:20SPEAKERwhen I bought a modern MacBook.

48:22SPEAKERLike SSDs have a finite lifespans, right?

48:24SPEAKERThere are like, A, they're all gonna wear out eventually

48:27SPEAKERwhen they've been written to enough,

48:28SPEAKERbut also there are a bunch of other things

48:29SPEAKERthat can kill an SSD as well.

48:31SPEAKERAnd then you've just got a brick of a laptop

48:33SPEAKER'cause it has no viable storage on it.

48:35SPEAKERAnd also getting that storage out of there,

48:39SPEAKERif there's like, you need to like safe erase it

48:41SPEAKERand it's dead, if you have like sensitive data on there

48:43SPEAKERis also a nightmare, like I don't know that it's defensible

48:46SPEAKERthat they solder the storage,

48:48SPEAKERlike this very disposable storage

48:50SPEAKERdirectly onto those things.

48:53SPEAKER- So you used to be able to put the MacBooks,

48:54SPEAKERat least with the Intel MacBooks,

48:56SPEAKERyou used to be able to put them in a mode

48:57SPEAKERthat let you do like SSD stuff to them

49:01SPEAKEReven when they weren't working otherwise,

49:02SPEAKERlike you let them, you plugged them in

49:04SPEAKERand they showed up as a USB device or something.

49:06SPEAKERI can't remember how that worked.

49:08SPEAKERIt's stupid.

49:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:10SPEAKER- Like I don't think it is a distinctly consumer

49:15SPEAKERunfriendly choice to do that.

49:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:18SPEAKER- It basically means that instead of,

49:19SPEAKERif you have sensitive data on a device,

49:21SPEAKERinstead of being able to just wipe it

49:23SPEAKERand pull the hard drive, the SSD and shred the SSD,

49:26SPEAKERyou have to shred the whole motherboard for the MacBook,

49:28SPEAKERwhich is, feels stupid.

49:29SPEAKER- So that was the thing I just saw come up recently

49:31SPEAKERwas like some e-waste or like Mac recycling place

49:34SPEAKERhad just destroyed the motherboards in like 70 something,

49:37SPEAKERlike just a giant stack of inoperable MacBooks

49:39SPEAKERbecause it was easier to just break the motherboard

49:42SPEAKERthan deal with all the soldered on parts,

49:45SPEAKERwhich is terrible, which is terrible.

49:47SPEAKERThe other thing,

49:47SPEAKERI don't want to spend too much time talking about this.

49:49SPEAKERThe other thing I just forgot and remembered

49:52SPEAKERis that they page the modern Mac OS

49:55SPEAKERand these MacBooks pages to disc constantly

49:58SPEAKERbecause those SSDs are so fast.

49:59SPEAKERThey're actually like an appreciable fraction

50:01SPEAKERof the speed of main memory.

50:02SPEAKER- Well, and they ship slow,

50:03SPEAKERthey ship small memory configs on OS 10 still.

50:06SPEAKER- That's exactly it.

50:07SPEAKERThis channel did a bunch of testing

50:08SPEAKERand determined that if you're at 16 gig

50:09SPEAKERor above of system memory,

50:11SPEAKERyou're fine because you're rarely,

50:13SPEAKERunless you're running like a ton of VMs,

50:15SPEAKERyou're probably not going to page to disc much

50:17SPEAKERat 16 gig or more,

50:18SPEAKERbut for the baseline eight gigabyte configuration,

50:20SPEAKERlike you're paging to disc constantly,

50:22SPEAKERjust having like a bunch of Chrome tabs open.

50:24SPEAKER- That's interesting.

50:25SPEAKER- And that eats up the right endurance on your SSD very fast.

50:28SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny 'cause like looking at my SSDs

50:32SPEAKERin my Windows machine,

50:35SPEAKERmy stream machine, which is now five years old

50:37SPEAKERand has had the same SSD in it the entire time,

50:39SPEAKERis it like 95% right endurance still?

50:43SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, and in a lot of cases, you're fine.

50:46SPEAKER- Yeah, you hardly use right endurance for most use cases.

50:50SPEAKERI'm curious what the,

50:53SPEAKERI will kind of look at Gina's MacBook,

50:55SPEAKERwhich is about a year and a half old now,

50:57SPEAKER'cause I think she has an eight gig air

50:59SPEAKERand I'm curious what her SSD right endurance is like.

51:03SPEAKER- Yeah, that would be interesting to hear actually.

51:07SPEAKERLet's see, do you wanna read this Shags Muku question

51:10SPEAKERabout Macintoshes while we're on the subject?

51:15SPEAKERBy the way, I was at the Smithsonian last weekend randomly.

51:18SPEAKER- Ooh, which one?

51:19SPEAKER- Let's see, mostly I did American history,

51:22SPEAKERmostly natural history was like way too mobbed with people.

51:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it's full, it's often full.

51:27SPEAKERAmerican history is really good though.

51:28SPEAKER- Yes, it was fantastic.

51:29SPEAKERI couldn't, I didn't get into air and space

51:31SPEAKER'cause they're doing a bunch of construction

51:33SPEAKERand they're limiting the number of people in there.

51:35SPEAKER- They're always limiting the number of people

51:37SPEAKEReven when they're not doing construction,

51:38SPEAKERbut it's very good.

51:40SPEAKER- So I'm gonna do air and space next time, but.

51:42SPEAKER- You should go to Dulles.

51:44SPEAKERYou should go to the Dulles extension too

51:45SPEAKERand see the space shuttle.

51:46SPEAKER- Ooh.

51:47SPEAKER- 'Cause it's, and I think you can take Metro out there now,

51:50SPEAKEReven you don't have to take a cab or anything

51:51SPEAKERif you don't have a car.

51:52SPEAKER- But wait, man, DC Metro is very nice by the way.

51:55SPEAKER- Isn't it, isn't it? - Very functional.

51:57SPEAKER- So we talked about this in the Discord,

52:00SPEAKERbut like my, or on Blue Sky maybe, my parents,

52:03SPEAKERold people who live in the suburbs of DC,

52:06SPEAKERwhen you say, when you look at them and say,

52:07SPEAKERoh yeah, I'm taking the family on Metro downtown,

52:10SPEAKERthey look at you as if you're riding a train

52:13SPEAKERthat will be a flaming death bomb the entire way there

52:16SPEAKERand then you're going into an active war zone

52:19SPEAKERto go to like the mall.

52:21SPEAKER- It's fine.

52:22SPEAKER- I got on Metro and I was like,

52:23SPEAKERthis is the nicest public transit I've been on in years.

52:25SPEAKER- Yes, it's like BART, but nice.

52:29SPEAKER- Well, okay, so you haven't ridden,

52:30SPEAKERyou might not have ridden BART in a while,

52:31SPEAKERbut BART's pretty nice.

52:32SPEAKERThe new trains on BART are pretty nice too.

52:34SPEAKER- It has been a few years, I think, it's a good part.

52:37SPEAKERAnyway, the whole reason I brought that up was

52:39SPEAKERthey had an Apple I in American history.

52:43SPEAKERI saw an Apple I live and in person.

52:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:46SPEAKER- I'd have to look it up.

52:47SPEAKERI believe I've read there were only like 400 of those made

52:50SPEAKERbefore they moved to the Apple II.

52:52SPEAKER- Yeah, they soldered this in like their garage

52:54SPEAKERin Sunnyvale or Cupertino or something.

52:57SPEAKER- I believe all the Apple I's were hand-built

52:59SPEAKERbefore they moved to mass production on the Apple II.

53:01SPEAKER- Yeah, hand-built by Woz probably, right?

53:03SPEAKERIt was very cool to see.

53:06SPEAKER- That museum, the pop culture exhibit upstairs

53:09SPEAKERwas really good.

53:10SPEAKERThe new way that they display the Star Spangled Banner,

53:14SPEAKERwhich that's fraught for a multitude of reasons,

53:18SPEAKERbut it's a good display.

53:19SPEAKERIt's a much finer way than they used to do it.

53:21SPEAKERIt is a big flag.

53:22SPEAKER- Big flag.

53:23SPEAKER- A lot of holes.

53:25SPEAKERAnd then the First Lady's dress exhibited

53:29SPEAKERin that museum is lovely too.

53:30SPEAKERI don't know if you went in there, but it was cool.

53:32SPEAKERI'm not sure if I saw that one.

53:33SPEAKERI have kind of limited time,

53:35SPEAKERbut I'm gonna have to go back

53:37SPEAKER'cause there's a lot more to see.

53:38SPEAKERAnyway, a question from Shags Magoo,

53:41SPEAKERsince we're talking about Apple stuff.

53:43SPEAKERI've become Mac curious in my advanced age of the late 30s

53:46SPEAKERand have been thinking about ways

53:47SPEAKERto start playing around with Mac OS.

53:49SPEAKERI noticed an old Mac computer lying around at work

53:51SPEAKERfrom around 2013 and offered to buy it for my boss

53:54SPEAKERwho said I could just have it.

53:56SPEAKERSo I'm in the process of updating this thing

53:58SPEAKERfrom Big Sur to Monterey, whatever the hell that means.

54:02SPEAKERI am then going to format it

54:03SPEAKERand play with it on my side monitor at home.

54:06SPEAKERAny tips for someone who's only experienced with a Mac

54:08SPEAKERwas trying it one time during college in 2005-ish

54:11SPEAKERat the campus library,

54:12SPEAKERfumbling around for five minutes before saying,

54:14SPEAKERfuck this shit and going back to a PC.

54:18SPEAKERI'm also deep into the Apple ecosystem and everything else,

54:20SPEAKERbut desktop computers, phone, tablet, watch, and Apple TV.

54:23SPEAKERSo I can at least carry over my knowledge from there

54:26SPEAKERto this little box for whatever that's worth.

54:30SPEAKER- So, yeah, I don't know.

54:31SPEAKERI mean, you just kind of switched back

54:33SPEAKERafter a long time on PC, right?

54:35SPEAKER- Well, let's see.

54:36SPEAKERSo I basically only used Macs in school off and on

54:40SPEAKERin the kind of pre-Jobs return era up until 2008.

54:43SPEAKERThe first Mac I ever owned was the 2008 Unibody

54:47SPEAKERwith the Nvidia hardware in it, remember that?

54:49SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

54:50SPEAKER- And then we used,

54:51SPEAKERand I think you guys were the same, right?

54:53SPEAKERLike Whiskey, Whiskey was an old Mac.

54:55SPEAKER- Like 13-inch Airs, yeah, and Pros,

54:56SPEAKERdepending on what you wanted.

54:58SPEAKER- Like coming from CNET,

54:59SPEAKERwhich was just like a bunch of ramshackle,

55:00SPEAKERcrappy Windows XP machines,

55:02SPEAKERwhatever IT gave you, like going to Whiskey Media,

55:03SPEAKERand it was like an all Apple shop, top to bottom,

55:06SPEAKERwas kind of a revelation unto itself.

55:08SPEAKERAnyway, and then, you know, used exclusively Macs

55:11SPEAKERfor the entirety of "Gina bomb" and still have a MacBook,

55:14SPEAKERbut keyboard shortcuts,

55:16SPEAKERlike learning keyboard shortcuts was huge for me

55:19SPEAKERcoming from Windows to macOS,

55:20SPEAKERbecause like, I'm not gonna say the GUI is like less capable,

55:25SPEAKERbut like, it's not all one-to-one with Windows, right?

55:28SPEAKERLike the way that minimize/maximize work is not the same.

55:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:32SPEAKER- Trying to think other differences,

55:33SPEAKERlike the concept of what an application is

55:36SPEAKERand what it encompasses in the GUI is different from Windows

55:39SPEAKERwhere in Windows, every individual window is its own window

55:43SPEAKERversus like macOS tends to group windows

55:46SPEAKERunder the banner of the application, you know?

55:47SPEAKERSo like if you hide an application,

55:49SPEAKERit's going to hide every window

55:51SPEAKERthat is attached to that running application,

55:52SPEAKERnot just the one window that you're actively using.

55:56SPEAKER- It's funny 'cause macOS these days kind of

56:00SPEAKERsplits the difference between

56:01SPEAKERlike a traditional Linux desktop manager and Windows

56:05SPEAKERin terms of how it works.

56:07SPEAKERBut I mean, the thing I would say is like,

56:11SPEAKERit sounds like you got a mini or something like that,

56:14SPEAKERso it's not, or maybe even a trashcan

56:17SPEAKERor one of those pro of some kind.

56:23SPEAKERJust spend time with it and use it.

56:24SPEAKER- You might be back, 2013 machine you might be,

56:28SPEAKERyou might be cut, you're probably cut off

56:29SPEAKERfrom the newer OSs 'cause I think the newer ones

56:31SPEAKERare only for relatively new machines.

56:34SPEAKER- Yeah, they do.

56:34SPEAKERAggressively cut off.

56:35SPEAKERLet me see, I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro that is on Sonoma,

56:40SPEAKERwhich is 14, Mac OS 14.

56:43SPEAKERI'm not sure which one, Monterey is.

56:45SPEAKER- Yeah, but the point is the language of the UI

56:49SPEAKERand the OS is the same for the most part

56:52SPEAKERbetween whatever your newest version of OS 10

56:54SPEAKERis gonna be on that machine.

56:56SPEAKERYou might wanna stop one back 'cause sometimes

56:58SPEAKERlike my 13 inch MacBook Pro got kind of janky

57:01SPEAKERwhen I put the last one that they let me put on it.

57:04SPEAKERThe other thing I would say is like keyboard shortcuts

57:10SPEAKERare important.

57:12SPEAKERIt's really designed to be used with laptops.

57:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:15SPEAKER- Like all of the like touchpad shortcuts

57:19SPEAKERare really good and really powerful.

57:22SPEAKERIf you're just using it with a mouse and keyboard,

57:24SPEAKERsome stuff's gonna feel a little bit weird.

57:26SPEAKERDon't go buy a trackpad or something stupid,

57:28SPEAKERbut just be aware that like a lot of it is not designed

57:32SPEAKERto be, a lot of it is designed to be used

57:35SPEAKERwith a like multi-touch trackpad so you can do

57:37SPEAKERlike three finger swipes and stuff like that.

57:39SPEAKER- Yes, that's for sure.

57:40SPEAKERMission Control, go find the Mission Control control panel

57:44SPEAKERand learn how all that stuff works 'cause they rely

57:46SPEAKERon Mission Control for window management quite a bit.

57:48SPEAKERLike, you know, something that'll zoom all windows out

57:51SPEAKERso you can see everything that's open at one time

57:53SPEAKERor like fling them all off the desktop and back.

57:55SPEAKERYou can bind those two hot corners where you like fling

57:59SPEAKERthe mouse into a corner and it'll activate those.

58:01SPEAKERJust like if you have the gestures on the trackpad,

58:03SPEAKERyou can also, I used a thing called Better Touch Tool,

58:07SPEAKERwhich is a little like $5 utility for a long time

58:09SPEAKERthat lets you bind keyboard shortcuts

58:11SPEAKERand Mission Control stuff to like mouse buttons as well.

58:14SPEAKER- A lot of that stuff is less useful if you're on a real,

58:17SPEAKERif you're on an actual real monitor

58:19SPEAKERand not on like a 12 inch screen, but yeah.

58:23SPEAKERAnd then the other thing is there's a lot of,

58:25SPEAKERthere's a really robust ecosystem of developers

58:29SPEAKERwho build like $5 apps, right?

58:32SPEAKERThe $5 tools that significantly enhance workflows

58:36SPEAKERand make things easier to use.

58:39SPEAKERAnd it's worth kind of investigating those.

58:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

58:45SPEAKERLet's see here.

58:46SPEAKERLet's do a few more before we go.

58:50SPEAKERQuestion from Hunter.

58:52SPEAKERGoogle is once again doing what it does best,

58:55SPEAKERkilling perfectly good services

58:56SPEAKERand is shutting down Google Podcasts in April

58:59SPEAKERin favor of merging it into the YouTube music app.

59:02SPEAKERI absolutely hate this.

59:04SPEAKERDo you have any recommendations for a podcast app or service

59:07SPEAKERthat isn't Apple Podcasts?

59:09SPEAKER- So, okay, two things.

59:10SPEAKEROne, this over the holidays, I took the time

59:13SPEAKERand made all of the tech pods available on YouTube now.

59:17SPEAKERSo we have a Brad and Will tech pod.

59:20SPEAKERThe YouTube channel is Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

59:25SPEAKERAnd all of the back episodes should be available there.

59:27SPEAKERYou should be able to subscribe to it in YouTube music

59:29SPEAKERjust like every other podcast.

59:31SPEAKERAnd it's linked off of techpod.content.town

59:33SPEAKERif you can't find it on YouTube proper.

59:35SPEAKERSo Android users are not hosed

59:37SPEAKERwhen they kill Google Podcasts in April.

59:41SPEAKERSo the answer is Downcast and Pocket Casts

59:45SPEAKERare both quite good.

59:47SPEAKERI've used both of them on iOS at different times.

59:50SPEAKERI don't know what people's preferred apps are.

59:53SPEAKERI think both of them have a small fee.

59:55SPEAKERThey're not, but they're not necessarily an annual,

1:00:00SPEAKERalthough I think Downcast, sorry,

1:00:02SPEAKERPocket Cast has additional features you get

1:00:05SPEAKERif you pay for it.

1:00:06SPEAKERPocket Cast is a weird lineage.

1:00:08SPEAKERIt was a independently developed thing

1:00:10SPEAKERand then got bought by a couple of people

1:00:11SPEAKERand ended up at NPR for a while for weird reasons

1:00:14SPEAKERand then has been bought by somebody else now.

1:00:17SPEAKERThey both seem like they're fine businesses

1:00:21SPEAKERand the apps have both been good

1:00:23SPEAKERand they sync across multiple platforms.

1:00:25SPEAKERSo you can buy Pocket Casts on your Windows machine

1:00:27SPEAKERor your Mac and your Android devices

1:00:30SPEAKERand your playlists and your sync play positions

1:00:35SPEAKERand all that stuff will sync across those devices,

1:00:36SPEAKERwhich is nice.

1:00:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:38SPEAKERI have not used it heavily and I believe it's Apple only,

1:00:41SPEAKERbut I also like Overcast pretty well.

1:00:43SPEAKER- Overcast is Apple only, yeah.

1:00:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.

1:00:45SPEAKERIt's made by Marco Arment, formerly of Tumblr.

1:00:49SPEAKER- That's what I use on my phone.

1:00:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:52SPEAKERI mostly use it to get podcasts onto the watch

1:00:55SPEAKERbecause Apple makes that a nightmare to do.

1:00:58SPEAKER- It is a pain in the ass.

1:00:59SPEAKER- But if you're on Apple only,

1:01:01SPEAKERI think that one's pretty good too.

1:01:06SPEAKER- Let's see, the last part of this is, yeah,

1:01:08SPEAKERGoogle kills stuff that's good.

1:01:10SPEAKERIt sucks, sorry.

1:01:12SPEAKER- Yes.

1:01:15SPEAKERChip Shirley asks, how did the term uplift

1:01:17SPEAKERcome to replace improvements

1:01:19SPEAKERwhen discussing hardware performance improvements?

1:01:21SPEAKER- I don't think, I've never heard this before.

1:01:23SPEAKERI don't think, no.

1:01:24SPEAKER- The first place I explicitly remember,

1:01:26SPEAKERthe first place I saw this was when,

1:01:27SPEAKERI want to say it was in CPUs, it was in CPU reviews.

1:01:31SPEAKERAnd I want to say it was when Zen 3 came out,

1:01:33SPEAKERthe Ryzen 5000 chips, which may have originated with AMD

1:01:37SPEAKERnow that I think about it, like I saw it in reviews,

1:01:39SPEAKERbut I bet, I wouldn't be shocked if that language

1:01:42SPEAKERactually came out of like AMD marketing or something.

1:01:44SPEAKERIt was always in the context of like 12% IPC uplift

1:01:48SPEAKERthis generation IPC, you know, instruction per clock,

1:01:51SPEAKERkind of how fast a single core is.

1:01:53SPEAKERBut they started, I think it's just a fancier way.

1:01:56SPEAKER- I think that's an AMD thing actually when you mention it.

1:02:00SPEAKER- It just sounds fancy, I think.

1:02:02SPEAKERI don't know.

1:02:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the problem, so the general problem

1:02:07SPEAKERis that sometimes people mean performance difference

1:02:09SPEAKERand sometimes people mean percent increase.

1:02:12SPEAKERAnd those are two different numbers often.

1:02:15SPEAKERSo yeah, I don't know.

1:02:17SPEAKERThis is, the language around all this stuff is often weird.

1:02:22SPEAKER- Yes.

1:02:25SPEAKERDo you want to do this one you've highlighted here?

1:02:26SPEAKER- Can we do that one?

1:02:27SPEAKER- Sure.

1:02:28SPEAKER- I have thoughts about this.

1:02:29SPEAKERI'm gonna have to talk to Vinny about it.

1:02:31SPEAKER- Okay, all right, this is from Rabbit Oyster.

1:02:34SPEAKERVinny has discussed his interest in welding

1:02:36SPEAKERand his ultimate decision not to get involved with it

1:02:38SPEAKERbecause as he described it, it's a hobby that demands

1:02:40SPEAKERattention to the exclusion of other involved hobbies,

1:02:44SPEAKERsuch as 3D printing or woodworking.

1:02:46SPEAKERDo either of you have an identity-defining hobby?

1:02:50SPEAKERAnd for Will, does a laser cutter demand as much time

1:02:52SPEAKERand attention as 3D printing?

1:02:54SPEAKER- So, okay, first off, the laser cutter is at least

1:02:57SPEAKERthe one that I have, I have a Glowforge.

1:03:00SPEAKERIf people are gonna buy a Glowforge, let me know

1:03:01SPEAKER'cause I have a code that you can use to get a discount.

1:03:06SPEAKERBut it does not seem to have the kind of disuse degradation

1:03:13SPEAKERthat a lot of other tools, including PCs, have.

1:03:15SPEAKERLike if I use it every day for a month and then turn it off

1:03:19SPEAKERfor two months and turn it back on, there's nothing janky

1:03:21SPEAKERor weird about it, it just turns back on and it's fine.

1:03:24SPEAKERI think part of that is that they did a pretty good job

1:03:26SPEAKERengineering it to work in that kind of case

1:03:28SPEAKER'cause that's how a lot of people use that kind of tool.

1:03:30SPEAKERI would say that welding is absolutely not the kind of hobby

1:03:34SPEAKERthat requires the kind of skill that requires

1:03:38SPEAKERthe exclusion of other time.

1:03:41SPEAKER- Have you done it?

1:03:42SPEAKER- Yeah, when I asked Jamie and Adam when we started testing,

1:03:45SPEAKERI was like, "Hey, I wanna learn how to weld.

1:03:46SPEAKER"What would you, should I go take a class or something?"

1:03:49SPEAKERJamie spent five minutes with me with a MIG welder

1:03:52SPEAKERand a pair of goggles and was like,

1:03:54SPEAKER"Look, basically this is just a hot glue gun for metal.

1:03:58SPEAKER"Here's what you need to know."

1:04:01SPEAKER- I wanna hang out with that dude.

1:04:04SPEAKER- There's pros and cons to that, but yeah, so MIG welding,

1:04:08SPEAKERwe did a video series that was poorly received

1:04:12SPEAKERby the YouTube populace, but like if you spend 10 hours,

1:04:17SPEAKERif you buy a $200 MIG welder from Harbor Freight,

1:04:20SPEAKERit's not gonna last very long probably,

1:04:22SPEAKERbut you're not gonna electrocute yourself.

1:04:25SPEAKER- Well, maybe buy a used $200 MIG welder,

1:04:28SPEAKERnot one from Harbor Freight.

1:04:32SPEAKERThe MIG welder basically has a gun that feeds

1:04:34SPEAKERthe metal that gets welded,

1:04:38SPEAKERthat becomes the weld through the middle of this thing.

1:04:41SPEAKERIt has a little motor that pushes a wire through

1:04:43SPEAKERand hits the electricity between the edge of the MIG

1:04:46SPEAKERand the thing and it jumps the arc.

1:04:49SPEAKERYou don't have to understand anything about how it works.

1:04:52SPEAKERYou need to know that you shouldn't look at it

1:04:53SPEAKERwith your naked eyes, you need to have everything

1:04:55SPEAKERgrounded properly so you don't electrocute yourself.

1:04:58SPEAKERBut it's difficult to do well like many, many things,

1:05:03SPEAKERbut you can learn the basics in about two hours

1:05:06SPEAKERand then get reasonably okay at it in about five or 10

1:05:10SPEAKERand then you'll need an angle grinder or something

1:05:12SPEAKERto make your welds not look like complete shit

1:05:14SPEAKERwhen you're done.

1:05:17SPEAKERAnd if you're worried about it, you can take a MIG welding

1:05:20SPEAKERclass at your adult extension classes pretty much

1:05:23SPEAKERin any most community centers.

1:05:26SPEAKERAnd it is incredibly nice to be able to hot glue gun metal

1:05:30SPEAKERto other metal.

1:05:31SPEAKER- Sure, I can see that being quite useful.

1:05:37SPEAKERI don't have a good answer to this question

1:05:39SPEAKERbecause all of my hobbies are now my work.

1:05:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't have, I've never had a hobby

1:05:43SPEAKERthat's exclusionary for everything else either,

1:05:45SPEAKERI don't think.

1:05:46SPEAKERLike from video games to like the NAS and open source stuff

1:05:51SPEAKERand like everything that I would normally be doing

1:05:53SPEAKERin my spare time has now become my work.

1:05:55SPEAKERSo I don't have a good answer here.

1:05:59SPEAKERI do have another good question here though

1:06:01SPEAKERthat follows on from the bonding metal to other metal thing.

1:06:05SPEAKER- Yeah, let's have it.

1:06:06SPEAKER- Question from Fishy Jay.

1:06:08SPEAKERCan you replace a micro USB power port soldered onto a PCB

1:06:12SPEAKERwith a USB-C port?

1:06:14SPEAKER- I don't think so, but did you look this up?

1:06:16SPEAKER- I did not, I don't see why not.

1:06:18SPEAKEROkay, like first of all, assuming,

1:06:21SPEAKERlet's assume perfect soldering skills here,

1:06:23SPEAKERlike let's assume execution is flawless here.

1:06:26SPEAKERI thought they were wiring compatible, is that not the case?

1:06:30SPEAKER- I don't think the pinouts are the same for the port side,

1:06:33SPEAKERbut I don't know for sure.

1:06:35SPEAKERSorry, I assumed you looked this up so I didn't read it.

1:06:37SPEAKER- No, I didn't.

1:06:38SPEAKERI'm basing this on loose experience,

1:06:39SPEAKERbut like there are USB-C cables, for example.

1:06:43SPEAKERSo those clearly have to be wired to accommodate,

1:06:47SPEAKERlike I've got USB, you get what I'm saying?

1:06:50SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I understand.

1:06:51SPEAKER- I've got cables that are USB-A on one end

1:06:53SPEAKERand C on the other,

1:06:54SPEAKERbut they are electrically USB-2 cables, 2.0.

1:06:57SPEAKERSo I assume that that's what makes me assume

1:06:59SPEAKERthat the, like at least in terms of electricity,

1:07:03SPEAKERthey should be compatible

1:07:04SPEAKERif you just match the wiring correctly.

1:07:07SPEAKER- So apparently you can buy micro USB ports for PCBs

1:07:13SPEAKERthat are pin compatible with USB-2 micro USBs.

1:07:17SPEAKER- Okay.

1:07:18SPEAKER- So they won't be USB,

1:07:19SPEAKERobviously you're not gonna get a USB-3 or USB,

1:07:22SPEAKERyou know, 3.2 or whatever speed out of it,

1:07:25SPEAKERbut you can buy...

1:07:29SPEAKER- Yeah, and here, they're not even asking about data.

1:07:30SPEAKERThis is just for power here,

1:07:32SPEAKERfor electricity in this question.

1:07:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I worry about doing some of that stuff

1:07:36SPEAKERbecause you can end up in a situation where,

1:07:44SPEAKERone of the nice things about having the connectors,

1:07:46SPEAKERlike this is a thing that maybe you can do,

1:07:49SPEAKERI don't, it might not be a good idea

1:07:51SPEAKER'cause you're gonna end up in a situation

1:07:53SPEAKERwhere the connector doesn't behave

1:07:54SPEAKERin a way that people expect it to,

1:07:56SPEAKERif it's anyone but you ever using it.

1:07:58SPEAKER- That's ultimately what I was going to say

1:08:00SPEAKERis I'm guessing this might theoretically be possible,

1:08:02SPEAKERbut I don't think that means you should do it necessarily.

1:08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like I have an old keyboard

1:08:09SPEAKERthat the USB connector is janky on,

1:08:12SPEAKERI was gonna replace it and I kind of looked at this

1:08:15SPEAKERand then decided not to do anything with it.

1:08:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:18SPEAKER- The USB-C by default connector is like 22 pins

1:08:23SPEAKERand they're really small and they're for USB-C 3.0 and 3.2,

1:08:30SPEAKERit's a hard solder, but there are market solutions

1:08:37SPEAKERfor USB, micro USB to USB-C.

1:08:42SPEAKERYou have to make sure that the CC resistors are right

1:08:44SPEAKER'cause if you don't do the CC1, CC2 pin pull downs,

1:08:48SPEAKERthen you won't be able to draw high power from your device

1:08:50SPEAKERand that's, anyway.

1:08:52SPEAKER- Yeah, this all seems like probably a lot to tackle,

1:08:55SPEAKERmaybe too much, but I identify with the urge

1:08:57SPEAKERbecause I'm also getting to the point

1:08:59SPEAKERwhere if I see micro USB on something, I feel annoyed.

1:09:03SPEAKER- Yeah, the making a USB-C, micro USB to USB-C data

1:09:09SPEAKERis, there's a lot to that, I'm gonna say.

1:09:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:18SPEAKER- If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't try to do it.

1:09:20SPEAKERIs the answer to that question?

1:09:21SPEAKER- I started to get into it.

1:09:22SPEAKERI received a Christmas gift where this was an issue

1:09:24SPEAKERwhere old USB connector on the gifts

1:09:28SPEAKERdoes not match new connector that I have already

1:09:31SPEAKERand that's, we're in the annoying part of the USB transition

1:09:34SPEAKERwhere some stuff that's still being sold

1:09:36SPEAKERis not going to line up with things that you have now.

1:09:40SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say the other way to solve this problem

1:09:42SPEAKERand it's not as elegant is just to buy the magnetic cables

1:09:47SPEAKERfor these devices that have micro USB connectors

1:09:51SPEAKERthat you jam in and leave like the little magnet stump

1:09:53SPEAKERhanging out and just hook the magnet up to the cable

1:09:55SPEAKERrather than the, or get a thin low profile adapter

1:10:01SPEAKER'cause they sell those too, they stick out more.

1:10:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:06SPEAKER- Let's see.

1:10:07SPEAKERAll right, one more question here.

1:10:08SPEAKER- Do you wanna do the Zed one?

1:10:09SPEAKER- Yes, that's the one.

1:10:11SPEAKERWe did research.

1:10:13SPEAKERZed XED asks, "When I was a kid,

1:10:16SPEAKER"I remember the bit width of CPUs being a huge deal,

1:10:20SPEAKER"delineating distinct 8, 16, 32

1:10:22SPEAKER"and the 64 bit eras of computing.

1:10:25SPEAKER"Do you think 128 bit computers are going to be a thing

1:10:28SPEAKER"or heavily plateaued at 64 bit for the foreseeable future?"

1:10:33SPEAKERSo I think the latter probably in our lifetimes.

1:10:37SPEAKER- Yeah, the reason the bit delineations went up

1:10:45SPEAKERwas to add more addressable memory.

1:10:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:48SPEAKER- With 8-bit processors like the 8086,

1:10:50SPEAKERthey had a 20 bit addressable memory bus

1:10:53SPEAKERand they could hit one megabyte of RAM.

1:10:57SPEAKER- Whoa, whoa. - Yeah, think about it.

1:10:58SPEAKER- Whoa.

1:11:00SPEAKER- With the 386, we went up to 32 bits,

1:11:01SPEAKERwhich gave you access to four,

1:11:04SPEAKERwell, actually, that might not be true with the 386,

1:11:06SPEAKERbut definitely the fifth gen,

1:11:08SPEAKERby the fourth and fifth gen,

1:11:09SPEAKERwe were seeing 32 bit addressable spaces,

1:11:13SPEAKERwhich gave you access to four gigabytes of RAM,

1:11:15SPEAKERwhich was a crazy amount back in 1994

1:11:19SPEAKERwhen we had four 16 megabyte computers, right?

1:11:24SPEAKERThese days, we're shipping machines

1:11:26SPEAKERwith 32 gigabytes of RAM, 64 gigabytes of RAM regularly,

1:11:29SPEAKERall the way up to 128 and 256 for workstations.

1:11:34SPEAKERBut the 64 bit addressable space is 18 quintillion bytes,

1:11:40SPEAKERwhich is 18 exabytes of RAM, basically.

1:11:43SPEAKERWe're probably fine at 64 bit for a while, is the TLDR.

1:11:48SPEAKER- I think you're probably right.

1:11:50SPEAKERI hear an interesting illustration of this problem

1:11:52SPEAKERI have seen in the Raspberry Pi community,

1:11:55SPEAKERwhere the Raspberry Pi people that make Raspberry Pi OS,

1:11:57SPEAKERwhich is based on Debian, they were really resistant

1:12:00SPEAKERto putting out a 64 bit version of Raspberry Pi OS

1:12:03SPEAKERfor a long time, I think,

1:12:04SPEAKERbecause they just didn't want to support

1:12:04SPEAKERmultiple versions of the OS.

1:12:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:12:07SPEAKER- And the reason people were starting to get mad about that

1:12:10SPEAKERis because their Pi's ship with up to 80 gigabytes now.

1:12:13SPEAKERAnd there's some stuff you might run on a Pi,

1:12:16SPEAKERlike certain database things or something

1:12:17SPEAKERthat actually need more than four gigabytes of memory

1:12:20SPEAKERfor that one process, and people were getting mad

1:12:22SPEAKERbecause the 32 bit version of the OS

1:12:24SPEAKERcould not address more than four gigabytes per process.

1:12:28SPEAKER- Per thread, yeah.

1:12:30SPEAKER- Or yeah, so like that actually pushed them into doing that.

1:12:34SPEAKERThe other, there may be multiple other places

1:12:36SPEAKERwhere this matters, but another place it matters

1:12:37SPEAKERis the word size that the CPU can process.

1:12:40SPEAKERLike a word is basically a unit of data.

1:12:43SPEAKERSo basically you can crunch more, not more,

1:12:47SPEAKERbut you can crunch larger individual discrete pieces of data

1:12:51SPEAKERlike per, I guess, clock cycle on CPUs that have

1:12:54SPEAKERa higher bit registers, like data registers.

1:12:57SPEAKERSo like the example I looked up was like on a,

1:13:02SPEAKERlet me think this through, like, so on a 16 bit,

1:13:06SPEAKERif you were trying to do an operation on a 24 bit word

1:13:08SPEAKERon a 16 bit CPU, you basically have to slice that up,

1:13:12SPEAKERif I understood correctly.

1:13:13SPEAKER- It becomes two operations instead of one at least,

1:13:15SPEAKERmaybe three, 'cause you might have to combine them

1:13:17SPEAKERand de-combine them and stuff.

1:13:18SPEAKER- Right, exactly.

1:13:19SPEAKER- So like moving to a 32 bit CPU could do all of that

1:13:21SPEAKERin one operation.

1:13:24SPEAKER- Yeah, but with the 64, also there's stuff that we do

1:13:28SPEAKERto make that, to accelerate that stuff on modern CPU,

1:13:30SPEAKERso it's less of an issue now than it was back then.

1:13:35SPEAKEROne of the things I read as I was looking up the answers

1:13:37SPEAKERto this question is that we could have just done

1:13:39SPEAKERlike 36 bit addresses space for memory

1:13:44SPEAKERon the AMD 64 compatible computers,

1:13:48SPEAKERbut it didn't, like the number,

1:13:50SPEAKERit's not as good a number for computers as 64 bit.

1:13:55SPEAKERSo anyway, here we are.

1:13:57SPEAKER- Computers like powers of two, it turns out.

1:13:59SPEAKER- Can we do one more real quick?

1:14:00SPEAKER- Sure.

1:14:01SPEAKER- We do the hand doubles under this,

1:14:01SPEAKERjust down a little bit from there.

1:14:03SPEAKER- Yes, sure.

1:14:05SPEAKERAll right, last question, hand dubs.

1:14:07SPEAKERWhat's your screen protector strategy?

1:14:08SPEAKERHow big is too big?

1:14:09SPEAKERDo you go tempered glass or are the newer film type ones

1:14:12SPEAKERmore tempting?

1:14:14SPEAKER- I love the screen protector.

1:14:16SPEAKER- Really?

1:14:17SPEAKER- So I don't do cases, which means that I put my phone

1:14:21SPEAKERdirectly in my pocket and sometimes there's stuff in there.

1:14:23SPEAKERI also do, I like to be able to put it face down

1:14:26SPEAKERon the table so that I'm not looking at it obsessively

1:14:30SPEAKER'cause I have poor self control sometimes.

1:14:33SPEAKERAnd I hate micro scratches.

1:14:36SPEAKER- Same.

1:14:37SPEAKER- So I hate like going out in the sun

1:14:39SPEAKERand seeing all those tiny little scratches

1:14:40SPEAKERon the screen of the phone.

1:14:42SPEAKERSo I buy cheap like $8 tempered glass screen protectors

1:14:45SPEAKERfrom Amazon.

1:14:46SPEAKERI've gotten really good at putting them on.

1:14:47SPEAKERThe trick is to take a really hot steamy shower

1:14:50SPEAKERand then put them on immediately after that

1:14:52SPEAKER'cause the steam pulls all the dust from the air.

1:14:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:14:56SPEAKER- But I highly recommend them.

1:14:57SPEAKERAnd then as soon as I go outside and I see bad scratches,

1:14:59SPEAKERlike I'm getting ready to replace one of my phone now

1:15:02SPEAKERbecause I at some point must have set it down

1:15:03SPEAKERon sand or something.

1:15:07SPEAKERBut yeah, I can just make the scratches go away,

1:15:10SPEAKERwhich makes me happy.

1:15:11SPEAKER- That's fair.

1:15:12SPEAKERI mean, I don't like micro scratches,

1:15:14SPEAKERbut apparently I don't like them as much as you.

1:15:17SPEAKERI don't not like them as much as you

1:15:18SPEAKER'cause like I see them in the sun and they irk me,

1:15:20SPEAKERbut then I'm like whatever and forget about it.

1:15:22SPEAKERSo I don't use screen protectors on mine.

1:15:26SPEAKERAlso like the, I mean, at least with iPhones,

1:15:28SPEAKERI mean, I'm sure high-end Android is the same,

1:15:29SPEAKERlike the materials, the glass science has gotten good enough

1:15:33SPEAKERthat like they are a lot more scratch resistant

1:15:35SPEAKERthan they used to be.

1:15:36SPEAKER- They're better.

1:15:37SPEAKERIf I used a case, I would be less,

1:15:39SPEAKERlike when I used to use a case on the phone

1:15:41SPEAKERand the case extended out beyond the edge of the phone.

1:15:44SPEAKERSo when you put it down on the face side,

1:15:45SPEAKERit's not actually resting on the glass.

1:15:47SPEAKERIt was a little bit of a different situation.

1:15:50SPEAKERThe other thing is on the iPad,

1:15:54SPEAKERI do a, it's like a paper surface screen protector.

1:15:58SPEAKERIt adds a little bit of a matte finish to the iPad,

1:16:00SPEAKERbut when I'm using the pencil on it,

1:16:02SPEAKERit feels like I'm actually writing on paper

1:16:04SPEAKERwith a real writing implement,

1:16:06SPEAKERwhether it's a pen or a pencil or whatever.

1:16:08SPEAKERAnd I quite like that.

1:16:09SPEAKER- That sounds good.

1:16:10SPEAKER- Yeah, it was kind of expensive

1:16:12SPEAKERand a real pain in the ass to put on

1:16:13SPEAKERcompared to the glass one, compared to the glass ones.

1:16:16SPEAKER- Yeah, the only thing I religiously use

1:16:18SPEAKERa screen protector on is the Nintendo Switch

1:16:20SPEAKERbecause it goes in the Nintendo soft fit

1:16:22SPEAKERto design the switch to go in the dock

1:16:26SPEAKERsuch that the plastic screen protector

1:16:28SPEAKERrubs directly up flush against hard plastic in the dock.

1:16:31SPEAKER- They fixed that with the OLEDs.

1:16:33SPEAKER- Did they?

1:16:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so there's a padded,

1:16:35SPEAKERthe dock is a little bit wider

1:16:37SPEAKERand it has a padded interface on the edges.

1:16:40SPEAKER- Good for them.

1:16:41SPEAKERI did not, I've never seen an OLED in person.

1:16:43SPEAKERI didn't know they had changed that

1:16:44SPEAKER'cause I started to say, I wonder what they're going,

1:16:46SPEAKERwhat, if anything, they're going to change

1:16:47SPEAKERabout the dock design in a Switch 2, for example.

1:16:49SPEAKER- The OLED dock also has ethernet built-in, which is nice.

1:16:52SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:16:53SPEAKERI use an adapter for that, so it is possible,

1:16:55SPEAKERbut that it's nice to have that just there.

1:16:57SPEAKERBut I'm curious if they go to some kind

1:16:59SPEAKERof somewhat different dock design

1:17:01SPEAKERwith the next Switch or not.

1:17:03SPEAKER- I assume that they're going to keep

1:17:04SPEAKERthe same basic form factor

1:17:06SPEAKER'cause it's been a pretty successful move for them, right?

1:17:08SPEAKER- Analysts are reporting that they will,

1:17:10SPEAKERbut also, I mean, it would be perhaps

1:17:13SPEAKERthe worst business malpractice in history

1:17:15SPEAKERto abandon this gimmick that they have that is like,

1:17:19SPEAKERI mean, come on.

1:17:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it's good, it works.

1:17:22SPEAKER- Yes.

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