177: Five Thou Tolerances

00:00SPEAKER- Brad, you've been camping in a bomb cyclone?

00:02SPEAKER- I have been camping.

00:04SPEAKERI can't say.

00:06SPEAKERDid we have a bomb cyclone?

00:07SPEAKERI thought it was an atmospheric river.

00:08SPEAKER- I'm gonna go ahead and tell you.

00:09SPEAKERI have been told, there's a picture.

00:12SPEAKERThe first thing I saw when I turned on Twitter

00:14SPEAKERafter I came back from camping on Monday and Tuesday

00:15SPEAKERwas a Twitter post from the National Weather Service

00:19SPEAKERthat showed a circular storm with a hole in the middle.

00:22SPEAKERAnd they described it as a bomb cyclone,

00:24SPEAKERwhich I thought meant it was a really good cyclone,

00:26SPEAKERbut it turns out not so much.

00:29SPEAKER- Yo, this cyclone is bomb.

00:31SPEAKERYeah, anyway.

00:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:35SPEAKERIt was really rainy and it was really, really windy.

00:36SPEAKERAnd power went out at the lodge

00:38SPEAKERwhere the kitchen stuff worked.

00:40SPEAKERSo that was exciting.

00:41SPEAKER- I think I've said this on at least one other podcast

00:44SPEAKERthis week, too many podcasts,

00:45SPEAKERbut there've been like three days now so far this year

00:48SPEAKERwhere I was worried one of the windows

00:49SPEAKERwas gonna break in this apartment.

00:51SPEAKERLike things were whipping into the windows.

00:53SPEAKERI mean, rain and wind, first of all,

00:54SPEAKERwe also have a little magnetic screen door

00:57SPEAKERthat hangs over the back door out to the porch.

01:00SPEAKERThat thing was whipping into the window so hard.

01:02SPEAKERI was like, I might have to go take that thing down.

01:04SPEAKERI'm worried this is going to break this glass.

01:06SPEAKER- It sucked glass out of the Salesforce tower downtown.

01:09SPEAKER- What?

01:10SPEAKER- Like it sucked a couple of windows out.

01:11SPEAKER- Suction, like outward?

01:13SPEAKER- They popped out and fell to the ground below.

01:15SPEAKERLuckily no one was killed.

01:17SPEAKER- Holy shit.

01:18SPEAKERYeah, that's like, I mean,

01:19SPEAKERthat's one of the tallest buildings in the city, isn't it?

01:21SPEAKER- It is the tallest building in the city now.

01:23SPEAKER- If that came from an upper floor, yeah,

01:24SPEAKERthat could just like...

01:26SPEAKER- Turns out if it's much above the 40th floor,

01:28SPEAKERit probably doesn't matter which floor it was on.

01:29SPEAKER- Fair, fair, thermal velocity is a thing,

01:32SPEAKERbut God, I don't even want to, ah.

01:34SPEAKERNow I'm picturing the effect of, let's move on.

01:38SPEAKER- It's funny, I remember, it's been 20 years probably now,

01:41SPEAKERthere was a tornado that went through downtown Nashville

01:44SPEAKERand it just pulled the glass out of all the windows

01:47SPEAKERon the high rises and it was like,

01:48SPEAKERthere were like three inches of broken glass

01:50SPEAKERon the ground underneath.

01:52SPEAKERI mean, I think it's all, I mean, I assume it's safety glass,

01:54SPEAKERbut I guess maybe it's not, I don't know.

01:56SPEAKERI don't even know.

01:57SPEAKER- Did we have, I thought I saw talk about a tornado here.

02:00SPEAKERDid I dream that?

02:01SPEAKER- There was a tornado in LA at the same time, same storm.

02:04SPEAKER- Yes, that was in SoCal, yeah.

02:06SPEAKERTornado warning, this says, I don't know if,

02:08SPEAKERoh, this says there was a literal tornado in LA suburb.

02:12SPEAKER- Yeah, in LA, in one of the outskirts on the coast.

02:15SPEAKERIt was, so we were camping at Point Reyes

02:17SPEAKERwith the kiddos class.

02:19SPEAKERSo it was like 54th and third, fourth and fifth graders

02:23SPEAKERand about 30 parents, 25 parents, I think, teachers.

02:26SPEAKER- So a tornado of a different kind.

02:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, I'm gonna go tell you,

02:31SPEAKERif you have the opportunity to go on your children's

02:33SPEAKERovernight field trips and be a chaperone,

02:35SPEAKERyou should absolutely do that 'cause it was really fun

02:36SPEAKERand you get to meet the other parents and the other kids

02:38SPEAKERand like you see the social dynamics at play,

02:43SPEAKERbut also, holy crap, sleeping in like,

02:48SPEAKERI think the cabins were built in the 80s,

02:50SPEAKERbut they were built on the kind of 40s style parks cabin

02:53SPEAKERwhere it was like 15 bunks, double bunk beds,

02:57SPEAKERsingle wall construction.

02:59SPEAKERThe windows are on tracks that just slide open and close

03:03SPEAKERand then there's screens behind them

03:04SPEAKERto keep bats and stuff out.

03:06SPEAKERIt was really, really loud when the winds

03:10SPEAKERwere going 40 or 50 miles an hour.

03:12SPEAKER- Wow, wow. - Yeah, yeah.

03:13SPEAKER- How did the children take it?

03:15SPEAKER- They were all unconscious, so it was mostly fine.

03:17SPEAKERThere was one kid that was like, "Well, is this a scary storm?"

03:21SPEAKERI was like, "It's okay, man, don't worry about it."

03:24SPEAKER- Wait, some child addressed you by your first name?

03:28SPEAKER- No, Mr. Smith.

03:29SPEAKER- Oh, we're a first name school.

03:31SPEAKERThey first named the teachers.

03:32SPEAKER- Oh, no kidding.

03:33SPEAKER- Yeah, we don't have any misters or misters in this thing.

03:36SPEAKER- Yeah, no, no, no.

03:37SPEAKER- Mrs. Stevens never would have let that fly.

03:39SPEAKER- Oh yeah, well, when I explained to my daughter

03:42SPEAKERthat at most schools you have to call the teacher

03:44SPEAKERby their last name, she's like,

03:44SPEAKER"I don't think I've ever known

03:45SPEAKER"any of my teachers' last names," so.

03:48SPEAKER- Yes, yeah, very different dynamic

03:51SPEAKERin my grade school, I'm going to say.

03:54SPEAKERWe had some disciplinarians, I guess I'll say.

03:57SPEAKER- Well, look, I'm gonna go and tell you,

03:58SPEAKERit was a different time.

03:59SPEAKER- It was.

04:00SPEAKER- They've learned that making the children afraid of you

04:02SPEAKERjust makes the children really good at hiding

04:04SPEAKERwhen they're fucking up.

04:06SPEAKERSo if you make the children trust you,

04:08SPEAKERthen they'll tell you when they're fucking up,

04:10SPEAKERand then you can tell them not to do that,

04:11SPEAKERand they probably will because they trust you.

04:14SPEAKER- The system works.

04:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I was in charge of a bunch of fifth grade boys.

04:18SPEAKER- Okay.

04:19SPEAKER- I got put in the fifth grade boy cabin

04:21SPEAKER'cause I have a daughter,

04:21SPEAKERand I wasn't in my fourth grade daughter cabin.

04:24SPEAKERAnd they found out, because my wife told them,

04:27SPEAKERthat I stream video games and make video games.

04:30SPEAKER- Oh no.

04:31SPEAKER- And we had the best conversation.

04:33SPEAKERThey were like, "What do you stream?"

04:34SPEAKERI was like, "Well, I used to play PUBG,

04:36SPEAKER"and I played in tournaments and stuff,

04:37SPEAKER"and occasionally I would make a little bit of money."

04:39SPEAKERThey're like, "Whoa!"

04:40SPEAKERAnd I was like, "But then PUBG, people don't play anymore,

04:42SPEAKER"so I had to switch, and I've been playing Fortnite."

04:44SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Oh man, you play Fortnite?

04:46SPEAKER"We play Fortnite too!"

04:47SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh, I'm gonna do some market research here."

04:49SPEAKERSo I was like, "Yeah, how do you guys buy the battle?

04:53SPEAKER"How do you play build or no build?"

04:55SPEAKERAnd we play some no build sometimes.

04:58SPEAKERDo you do the battle pass?

05:00SPEAKERDo you, and we're like, "Oh yeah,

05:01SPEAKER"we always get the battle pass."

05:01SPEAKERI was like, "Do you finish the battle pass?"

05:03SPEAKER"Oh yeah, we always finish the battle pass."

05:05SPEAKERNo, and we don't buy levels either.

05:06SPEAKERThat's for losers.

05:07SPEAKER(laughing)

05:08SPEAKEROh, wow.

05:10SPEAKERAnd then I was like, "Do you get to level 100

05:12SPEAKER"on the battle pass, or do you get all the bonus stuff

05:14SPEAKER"all the way up to level 200?"

05:15SPEAKERI was like, "We usually get most of this stuff

05:16SPEAKER"to level 200."

05:17SPEAKERI was like, "Okay, that's cool."

05:19SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Well, how often do you win games?"

05:21SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Well, you know, sometimes.

05:23SPEAKER"Sometimes I win games," and then they would come back

05:26SPEAKERat me with the same question, right?

05:27SPEAKERLike, "How often do you win games?"

05:29SPEAKERI was like, "I, you know, usually two or three a night."

05:31SPEAKERAnd they were like, "What, two or three a night?"

05:33SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Do you guys have any crowned victory royales?"

05:35SPEAKERThat's when you win the game and have a crown

05:37SPEAKERfor winning the last game, and then you win the next game,

05:39SPEAKERor you steal a crown from somebody who won the last game

05:41SPEAKERand have it on at the end of the game, and they were like,

05:45SPEAKER"No, I didn't know you could do that."

05:48SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Yeah, you gotta pick up those crowns."

05:51SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Do you have any crowned victory royales?"

05:53SPEAKERI was like, "Well, last season I didn't play as much,

05:54SPEAKER"so I only had like 30.

05:55SPEAKER"The season before I had 115 or something like that."

05:58SPEAKERThey were like, "What?"

05:59SPEAKERFor one night, I was a god among--

06:02SPEAKER- You were a god.

06:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:04SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:11SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:32SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

06:35SPEAKERI'm Will.

06:36SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

06:37SPEAKERI like that, that was like a dramatic pause

06:38SPEAKERafter the welcome there.

06:39SPEAKER- I had to drink.

06:41SPEAKER- Well, hey, sometimes out of adversity comes art.

06:45SPEAKER- Most of the time, it's funny,

06:47SPEAKERmost of my relationship with Fortnite

06:49SPEAKERis to kill a bunch of 10-year-olds.

06:54SPEAKERAnd this time I actually got to impress the 10-year-olds.

06:56SPEAKER- Yeah, you got to educate them.

06:59SPEAKERI meant that, the other thing I meant to ask,

07:01SPEAKERdid they know PUBG?

07:03SPEAKER- Yeah, they knew of PUBG, but they knew,

07:07SPEAKERI think most of them are PlayStation or Switch gamers.

07:11SPEAKER- Okay.

07:12SPEAKER- Most of the kids,

07:13SPEAKERthe house might have a PlayStation

07:14SPEAKERthat's probably kind of contested.

07:16SPEAKERAnd then most of the kids, not everybody,

07:20SPEAKER'cause it's an expensive thing,

07:21SPEAKERbut a lot of the kids got a Switch Lite during the pandemic

07:24SPEAKERso that they could play games with their siblings

07:26SPEAKERand with their friends when they weren't fighting

07:29SPEAKERfor the same console all the time.

07:31SPEAKER- Got it.

07:31SPEAKERThe only reason I ask is that if you told me

07:33SPEAKERthat PUBG is the battle royale for people over 40,

07:36SPEAKERI would believe you at this point.

07:38SPEAKER- I think PUBG is the battle royale for people

07:41SPEAKERwho don't live in North America at this point,

07:43SPEAKERjudging by the way the cues work.

07:45SPEAKER- Okay.

07:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

07:50SPEAKERThey knew about Apex,

07:50SPEAKERbut I don't think they had anything that would run Apex.

07:52SPEAKERThey asked about COD, they asked about Warzone.

07:56SPEAKERSo they were well-versed in free-to-play premium console

08:01SPEAKERand PC titles.

08:02SPEAKERSo they'd all played DMZ, they'd done extractions,

08:07SPEAKERthey played both the Warzone mode

08:10SPEAKERand the kind of normal competitive DM mode

08:14SPEAKERthat's part of COD, but they hadn't, yeah.

08:17SPEAKER- That's so weird just to think about

08:20SPEAKERwhat I was playing at that age.

08:22SPEAKERLike those sounded like grownup games to me,

08:24SPEAKERthose sound like games that people in their 20s and up play,

08:27SPEAKERbut like, I mean, what are we talking about here?

08:30SPEAKERLike 10 year olds?

08:31SPEAKER- 10 year old, 10 and 11 year olds, yeah.

08:32SPEAKER- 10 year olds, I was playing like Super Mario Brothers 3.

08:38SPEAKER- When I was 10, yeah, when I was 10,

08:40SPEAKERI would have been in,

08:41SPEAKERwe were playing like Legend of Zelda

08:43SPEAKER'cause that was the new hotness then, right?

08:45SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

08:47SPEAKERAnyway, we're old.

08:48SPEAKERLet's answer some questions.

08:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the episode, the last episode of the month,

08:53SPEAKERso that means we turn Qs into As.

08:55SPEAKERIf you're in the Discord,

08:56SPEAKERif you're a member of the Patreon at patreon.com/techpod,

09:00SPEAKERthat's patreon.com/techpod,

09:02SPEAKERyou can just post in the Question Seeking Answers channel.

09:04SPEAKERIf you're not, you can send an email to techpod@content.town,

09:09SPEAKERwhich I just realized

09:10SPEAKERthat I didn't actually check this week because-

09:11SPEAKER- That's okay, we got a ton of good Discord questions.

09:14SPEAKER- We'll stack them up for next month.

09:15SPEAKER- Yes, stack those emails.

09:18SPEAKERShall we get into it?

09:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm ready to turn some Qs into As, Brad.

09:21SPEAKER- All right, here we go.

09:22SPEAKERI'm gonna start with this question from Lee Hedassen.

09:27SPEAKERWhy in the inferior imperial system

09:30SPEAKERare sub inch measurements done in fractions

09:32SPEAKERas opposed to decimals?

09:34SPEAKERMaybe the halving, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, et cetera, makes sense,

09:38SPEAKERbut as soon as you need a 5/32,

09:41SPEAKERisn't it time to give up and join the metric system?

09:44SPEAKER- Okay, so I could not agree more.

09:48SPEAKER- Same, same.

09:51SPEAKER- The thing I will say is that if you do carpentry,

09:54SPEAKERyou definitely use fractions,

09:56SPEAKERbut if you do machining in imperial,

09:59SPEAKERwhich a lot of people do,

09:59SPEAKERlike mill lathe work, stuff like that,

10:01SPEAKERwhere precision matters,

10:03SPEAKERyou do it in thousandths of an inch.

10:06SPEAKERSo people will say,

10:07SPEAKER"Oh, we need 5 thou tolerances on this."

10:09SPEAKERAnd that means you need a 5,000th of an inch tolerance.

10:12SPEAKERAnd they all represent that as decimals.

10:14SPEAKERSo the funny thing is if you get the wrong calipers,

10:18SPEAKERif you buy digital calipers and you buy the wrong ones,

10:21SPEAKERyou can only have fractions, you can only have thou,

10:24SPEAKERand it may not switch back and forth between them.

10:26SPEAKERAnd it's literally the worst of all the worlds.

10:31SPEAKER- I am loving the repeated use of the word thou.

10:35SPEAKERIt's, I don't know, just delightful somehow.

10:37SPEAKER- That's just what the people,

10:39SPEAKERthat's just what the people, you got 1 thou,

10:43SPEAKERyou got 2 thou, you got 3 thou, you got 5 thou.

10:45SPEAKER- Yep, I cannot disagree here.

10:49SPEAKERI would say the part of my brain

10:50SPEAKERthat is extremely used to imperial

10:52SPEAKERand that gives me a little bit of a twinge

10:54SPEAKERat the idea of not using it anymore is maybe 5%.

10:57SPEAKERAnd the other 95% is like,

10:58SPEAKER"Yeah, metric is infinitely more logical,

11:01SPEAKERof course we should be using that."

11:03SPEAKER- Well, I feel like we keep stick with this now

11:06SPEAKERat this point, just so we're the best

11:07SPEAKERin the world at fractions.

11:10SPEAKERLike, you know, I could, you know, 5/32,

11:13SPEAKERthat's somewhere between what, 2/8 and,

11:18SPEAKERno, I can't even do the math in my head right now

11:20SPEAKER'cause it's too early.

11:21SPEAKERYeah, nevermind, I'm gonna embarrass myself, but yeah.

11:23SPEAKER- This argument is breaking down.

11:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:25SPEAKERI would support a switch and a heartbeat.

11:29SPEAKERLike, I don't think it was ever in the cards,

11:31SPEAKERbut especially now, like you know

11:33SPEAKERthat it would just become the latest culture war issue

11:35SPEAKERthe second that anybody's trying to propose it.

11:37SPEAKER- I mean, look, I think, okay, so two things.

11:40SPEAKEROne is we tried to do it in the '70s.

11:41SPEAKER- Did we?

11:42SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause if you notice,

11:44SPEAKERas you're driving down the interstate system,

11:46SPEAKERthere are infrequently signs that will say,

11:50SPEAKER"Next city, 19 miles or 32 kilometers."

11:54SPEAKERSo they were trying to ease us into it

11:56SPEAKERwith like some non-threatening new signage.

12:00SPEAKERBut here's the thing, the right constantly does

12:03SPEAKERthese ridiculous culture war things in the U.S.,

12:06SPEAKERjust they pick on the most vulnerable population

12:11SPEAKERand then make them the bad guy for everybody.

12:13SPEAKERWe should be doing the same thing

12:14SPEAKERfor something that's utterly harmless,

12:16SPEAKERlike the Democrats are gonna make you switch

12:18SPEAKERto the metric system so you don't have to do as much math

12:22SPEAKERbecause I think that there's two conflicting things

12:24SPEAKERthat'll happen there 'cause people don't like math,

12:28SPEAKERit turns out.

12:29SPEAKER- It's true. - Yeah.

12:30SPEAKERAnd also, they're gonna be like, "No, change is bad."

12:33SPEAKERSo it's gonna be like putting a piece of buttered toast

12:37SPEAKERbutter side up on a cat and throwing it to the ground

12:40SPEAKERand seeing which end ends,

12:42SPEAKER'cause the cat always lands on its feet

12:43SPEAKERand the buttered toast always lands buttered side down

12:45SPEAKERso the cat just spins.

12:46SPEAKERThis is what's gonna happen.

12:47SPEAKERIf we pick the right culture war issue,

12:50SPEAKERwe could just get them all tied up in knots

12:51SPEAKERand they won't be able to do anything about it.

12:53SPEAKER- Well, your argument may be sound

12:54SPEAKERand I think it's a little too early for me to parse.

12:57SPEAKER(laughing)

13:00SPEAKER- I've had a weird week, Brad.

13:01SPEAKER- I'm not sure, I bet.

13:03SPEAKERYou left the house a bunch.

13:06SPEAKER- I slept in a room with like 16 other people.

13:08SPEAKER- Yeah, and then spent a bunch of time downtown

13:13SPEAKERfor the rest of the week, I'm sure.

13:14SPEAKER- I was mostly walking around in parks

13:16SPEAKERand going to hotel rooms.

13:19SPEAKER- Is that the standard meeting?

13:22SPEAKER- The hotel suite is the...

13:24SPEAKER- Well, so the big publishers will have,

13:27SPEAKERand platforms and stuff will have a floor of meeting rooms

13:32SPEAKERand then they'll take one of those ballroom floors

13:35SPEAKERin the Intercontinental or in one of the big hotels

13:37SPEAKERdown there and they'll partition it off

13:39SPEAKERinto a bunch of small meeting rooms.

13:41SPEAKERAnd so I spent a lot of time in those kind of meeting rooms

13:43SPEAKERand then also spent a lot of time talking to people

13:45SPEAKERjust in hotel suites and the lobby of the plaza.

13:50SPEAKER- I don't know how many game demos I've had

13:53SPEAKERfrom like small to medium-sized companies

13:55SPEAKERwhere they're doing the demo

13:56SPEAKERout of a big expansive hotel suite,

13:58SPEAKERbut you can easily tell people doing the demo

14:01SPEAKERare also sleeping in that suite.

14:03SPEAKERSo it's like, if you got to go to the bathroom,

14:05SPEAKERit's like there's their toothbrush and everything there.

14:07SPEAKERIt's like, wow, y'all are like staying here.

14:10SPEAKER- Well, I mean, those hit algorithms aren't cheap.

14:13SPEAKER- I don't blame them at all.

14:14SPEAKERIt's expensive, when you're a small company,

14:18SPEAKERyou gotta double up, efficiency is the name of the game.

14:22SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

14:24SPEAKER- Okay, next question.

14:27SPEAKERDairy guy.

14:29SPEAKERHave both of you ever considered turning your passion

14:31SPEAKERfor homebrew servers into a business?

14:35SPEAKERLike that thought certainly has occurred to me on occasion.

14:38SPEAKER- I'm contractually prohibited

14:40SPEAKERfrom turning any more hobbies into businesses.

14:43SPEAKER- Fair, yeah, that's part of it, yes.

14:45SPEAKERThat's something that's actually,

14:46SPEAKERI guess that is actually the basis of my real answer here,

14:48SPEAKERwhich is that every time I think about it,

14:50SPEAKERit's like, oh man, I really enjoy this stuff.

14:51SPEAKERLike maybe what would it be like to do this for a living?

14:54SPEAKERAnd then I immediately realize, oh, it would be terrifying

14:56SPEAKER'cause now I have to get it right all the time.

14:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I've done like, just to be clear,

15:02SPEAKERI've done this over and over again.

15:04SPEAKERMy entire career has been me turning something

15:06SPEAKERI enjoy doing into my job.

15:08SPEAKERAnd there are pros and cons to it.

15:11SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.

15:12SPEAKER- Con is often that the thing that I enjoy doing

15:14SPEAKERbecomes something I don't enjoy doing anymore.

15:17SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, that is absolutely the danger.

15:20SPEAKERYou kind of see that on like on our Discord.

15:23SPEAKERThere are a ton of people on our Discord

15:24SPEAKERwho know way more than me about all that shit

15:26SPEAKERthat I dabble with all the time.

15:28SPEAKERLinux and map bulk storage and networking and blah, blah,

15:31SPEAKERblah, a ton of them you will see in their home life

15:35SPEAKERjust want to buy the thing, the turnkey thing that works.

15:39SPEAKERAnd I've heard it over and over and over.

15:42SPEAKERI do this stuff all day at work.

15:43SPEAKERI don't want to do it again when I get home.

15:45SPEAKERI just want to buy a thing and plug it in and have it work.

15:47SPEAKERAnd I think that's a textbook example

15:51SPEAKERof what you're talking about.

15:52SPEAKER- This is why I don't overclock computers anymore.

15:54SPEAKERI spent 10 years doing it twice a week

15:58SPEAKERand I'm good now it turns out.

16:02SPEAKERYeah, I also, I don't ever want to be

16:05SPEAKERsomebody responsible for support

16:08SPEAKERon somebody else's computers again.

16:10SPEAKER- Yes.

16:11SPEAKER- 'Cause I did that when I was in college.

16:12SPEAKEROne of the ways I paid for college

16:14SPEAKERwas by building PCs for small businesses

16:16SPEAKERand running networks for them.

16:17SPEAKERAnd when that stuff went down, they would call me

16:19SPEAKERand that would mean that I would have to stop

16:20SPEAKERwhatever I was planning on doing that evening

16:22SPEAKERand go to their place and fix their network

16:23SPEAKERor fix the computer that they jacked up

16:25SPEAKERor that somebody installed malware on.

16:27SPEAKERAnd that is a business that I don't want to scale up

16:31SPEAKERbig enough that I can afford to pay people to do that.

16:34SPEAKERAnd I don't want to be,

16:36SPEAKERI definitely don't want to do it myself.

16:38SPEAKER- What did you, I mean, you were just a person.

16:40SPEAKERYou're not part of like a larger company,

16:42SPEAKERbut did you set terms when you would build

16:44SPEAKERa system for somebody in terms of your availability?

16:47SPEAKERLike, did you say like, here is my on-call time

16:50SPEAKERor here is like my, here's the response time

16:53SPEAKERthat you can do that?

16:54SPEAKER- I told him that like within 72 hours

16:56SPEAKERor something like that.

16:57SPEAKER- Okay.

16:58SPEAKER- During the months that I was in Knoxville.

17:00SPEAKER'Cause usually I was only in Knoxville

17:02SPEAKERduring the school year and then this summer

17:04SPEAKERthey would have to find somebody else.

17:05SPEAKER- And I guess the understanding there is like,

17:07SPEAKERhey, if you want immediate support,

17:09SPEAKERthen you should spend more on a larger outfit.

17:11SPEAKER- Yeah, well, there weren't a whole lot of,

17:13SPEAKERbut when I was doing that,

17:14SPEAKERit was when like Gateway and Dell and all those places

17:17SPEAKERwere kind of new and not super trusted.

17:19SPEAKERLike people were like,

17:20SPEAKERhow is somebody going to fix my computer

17:21SPEAKERif they're based in Texas and they don't have people here?

17:24SPEAKER- Fair question.

17:25SPEAKER- But what I would do is give them the number

17:28SPEAKERof like the screwdriver shop where,

17:30SPEAKERwhere they could take the machine

17:32SPEAKERand the people there would fix it for them.

17:34SPEAKER- Right.

17:35SPEAKER- Yeah, this was before, before,

17:38SPEAKERwhat do you call it at Best Buy?

17:39SPEAKERGeek Squad.

17:40SPEAKER- Geek Squad, yes.

17:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:42SPEAKER- Here is a very related question from Pat Bear.

17:45SPEAKERHey, Pat.

17:46SPEAKER- Hey, Pat.

17:47SPEAKER- Are either of you still the tech support person

17:49SPEAKERin your extended families?

17:51SPEAKER- Everybody should check out Pat's Twitch channel,

17:53SPEAKERby the way, it's just Pat Bear, B-A-E-R.

17:55SPEAKERI'm not, are you?

17:56SPEAKER- I kind of never was.

17:58SPEAKERI never really was called upon by most of my extended family

18:02SPEAKERlived right in the area,

18:03SPEAKERbut I never really got hit with stuff like that.

18:06SPEAKERLike I've done a ton of that stuff for my parents,

18:09SPEAKERbut it was all voluntary and they actually like,

18:11SPEAKERthey're actually very much like,

18:12SPEAKERah, we don't want to take up your time

18:14SPEAKERwhen you're here visiting with this stuff,

18:16SPEAKERbut I kind of can't help myself.

18:18SPEAKERLike every time I go to their house,

18:19SPEAKERI see stuff that I want to upgrade.

18:21SPEAKER- Yeah, like if my mom or dad are having problems,

18:25SPEAKERI'll often help them with something.

18:27SPEAKERLike my parents have at their house,

18:30SPEAKERthey have cellular internet.

18:33SPEAKERSo it's like they have a thing on a pole

18:35SPEAKERthat points at an antenna on a mountain,

18:37SPEAKERsomething like five miles away or something.

18:39SPEAKERAnd I often get the,

18:41SPEAKERwow, your internet really is bad today, Will,

18:44SPEAKERwhen we're FaceTiming,

18:45SPEAKERlike your video is dropping constantly.

18:46SPEAKERI'm like, man, I got to tell you,

18:48SPEAKERI'm pretty sure my video, my internet's okay,

18:52SPEAKERbut your antenna sags about every six months

18:54SPEAKERand you have to get the guy come out to like aim it again

18:57SPEAKERand tighten it back up.

18:58SPEAKERAnd pretty sure that's where we're at right now.

19:00SPEAKERHe's like, well, no, our wifi signal is like five bars.

19:03SPEAKERI was like, the wifi signal does not,

19:04SPEAKERbut that number of bars just means how connected you are

19:08SPEAKERto your local node, not how connected you are to the, anyway,

19:13SPEAKERthey've gotten much better at taking help

19:15SPEAKERbecause for a long time they were bad at it

19:17SPEAKERand just wouldn't listen and follow instructions.

19:19SPEAKERAlso, I found if you just open up,

19:22SPEAKERif you tell them to aim the phone at the screen

19:25SPEAKERwhen they're on FaceTime,

19:27SPEAKERand then I can see exactly what they're doing

19:28SPEAKERinstead of having them try to describe what they're doing

19:30SPEAKERso they don't know the names for anything, much easier.

19:33SPEAKER- Oh yeah. - Yeah.

19:36SPEAKER- I weirdly, sometimes they stop me

19:38SPEAKERfrom doing things actually.

19:40SPEAKERI was there last fall. - Oh, that's nice.

19:42SPEAKER- Their router, they're still on the venerable ASUS N66U.

19:46SPEAKERRemember that?

19:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I had one of those.

19:48SPEAKER- It's still working fine.

19:49SPEAKERI mean, they don't live close enough to other houses

19:51SPEAKERthat signal interference is a problem,

19:54SPEAKERbut they've got modern iPhones, Mac books and stuff.

19:57SPEAKERLike they're losing out on good wifi, right?

20:00SPEAKERSo I wanted to put a proper ass modern access point

20:03SPEAKERin the ceiling.

20:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:05SPEAKER- My dad was not down with mounting something to the ceiling.

20:09SPEAKER- Really?

20:10SPEAKER- Yes. - Oh man.

20:11SPEAKER- He was just like, yeah.

20:13SPEAKERYou're not getting up there and drilling in the ceiling.

20:15SPEAKERYeah, so.

20:16SPEAKER- We had, my brother-in-law, thankfully,

20:19SPEAKERdoes a lot of the frontline support.

20:21SPEAKERWe find when we compare notes,

20:23SPEAKERwe often find that like they'll ask,

20:25SPEAKERthey'll like, hey, we want to get security cameras

20:29SPEAKERto put up on the barn

20:30SPEAKERso we can see like wildlife in the field.

20:33SPEAKERBut also we don't trust Google.

20:36SPEAKERMaybe we should get these Amazon ones.

20:37SPEAKERAnd we both told them not to get the Amazon ones.

20:39SPEAKER- And if you don't trust Google,

20:42SPEAKERbut you do trust Amazon, there's a disconnect here.

20:45SPEAKER- Well, the funny thing is the Ring ones

20:47SPEAKERare still branded Ring and they're not really,

20:49SPEAKERthey don't really make it clear that it's Amazon.

20:50SPEAKERAnyway, the point is, I was like,

20:53SPEAKERboth of us told them not to get the Ring ones.

20:55SPEAKERSo instead of getting the Ring ones or the Google ones,

20:57SPEAKERhe went out and bought some cheap,

20:59SPEAKERlike a just straight Alibaba Express China brand

21:03SPEAKERthat was listed on Amazon

21:05SPEAKERand had a couple of thousand positive reviews.

21:07SPEAKERI was like, I think maybe,

21:09SPEAKERI talked to my brother-in-law and I was like,

21:10SPEAKERwe're just not gonna engage with this and it'll be fine.

21:13SPEAKERSo yeah.

21:15SPEAKER- Just don't mention it for long enough.

21:16SPEAKER- Yeah, if you're worried about security,

21:18SPEAKERyou probably made the wrong choice, but that's okay.

21:21SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

21:23SPEAKEROkay, how about a Warbird question

21:27SPEAKERthat's not about college football?

21:28SPEAKER- There's not, that's not possible.

21:30SPEAKER- That's, the rare unicorn has appeared.

21:33SPEAKER- Is it about college basketball?

21:35SPEAKER- No.

21:36SPEAKERHow about sports?

21:37SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

21:38SPEAKER- What are some words you absolutely shouldn't need

21:39SPEAKERspell check or auto correct for, but do anyway?

21:42SPEAKERWithout fail, I can't spell calendar

21:45SPEAKERwithout having to think about it hard,

21:46SPEAKERyet I somehow remain a functioning member of society.

21:50SPEAKER- I fucked up vacillate so bad last night

21:53SPEAKERthat I couldn't, like spell check,

21:55SPEAKERcouldn't figure out what I was trying to say.

21:57SPEAKER- V-A-C-I-L-L?

22:00SPEAKER- I think it's two Ls.

22:01SPEAKER- Two Ls, A-T-E.

22:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:04SPEAKER- That, so like, that's the one thing

22:06SPEAKERI generally a pretty good speller.

22:09SPEAKERSingle or double letters in longer words like that, okay,

22:11SPEAKERlike millennium and Mediterranean are two

22:13SPEAKERwhere I can never remember.

22:16SPEAKERAre there two Ls, two Ns, one N?

22:18SPEAKER- Millennium I don't have a hard time with

22:21SPEAKERbecause I worked on millennium bug stuff so much

22:24SPEAKERin 1998 and 1999 that I had to fill in

22:27SPEAKERso many trouble tickets that I will always remember.

22:31SPEAKERLike my dying breath will be that it's two Ns

22:33SPEAKERat the end of millennium.

22:34SPEAKER- Two Ls, two Ns, I've finally gotten

22:37SPEAKERa handle on millennium.

22:37SPEAKERI still Mediterranean.

22:40SPEAKER- It doesn't, that one doesn't come off that much for me.

22:42SPEAKER- R's and N's, I think it's, oh God, is it one R, one N?

22:46SPEAKERIt's one N, might be two R's, let's move on.

22:49SPEAKER- Is it balloon that has two Ls and two O's?

22:52SPEAKER- Yes.

22:53SPEAKER- What's the one that, oh, vacuum.

22:54SPEAKERVacuum I always have a hard time with

22:56SPEAKER'cause I feel like it should be two Cs.

22:57SPEAKER- Yeah, one Cs.

22:58SPEAKER- A, C, U, M, but it's one C.

23:02SPEAKERMost of mine are double letters in weird places though.

23:05SPEAKER- Yes, I don't know if it's Windows or Edge.

23:09SPEAKERIt might be Edge, I feel like.

23:10SPEAKER- It needs Edge.

23:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, in addition to,

23:14SPEAKERI use Chrome and Edge for different things.

23:16SPEAKER- Wow.

23:18SPEAKER- I don't love Chrome profiles,

23:19SPEAKERalthough I also use those,

23:20SPEAKERbut anyway, Edge has been getting,

23:23SPEAKERlike they made a good browser

23:24SPEAKERand now they're slowly ruining it again with crap.

23:27SPEAKER- Yeah, they just keep loading more garbage in there, right?

23:30SPEAKER- Yeah, constant nagging about,

23:32SPEAKERdo you want to load optimized settings?

23:34SPEAKERWhich boy, that sure does include

23:36SPEAKERmaking this my default browser

23:37SPEAKERwithout you being upfront about that, you know?

23:39SPEAKERAnd it's like they've added this giant Bing sidebar

23:42SPEAKERwithout, I don't even know if you can turn that off.

23:44SPEAKERThe thing I was gonna say though-

23:45SPEAKER- I don't think they should be able

23:46SPEAKERto call those settings optimized

23:47SPEAKER'cause they are clearly not optimized.

23:49SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

23:53SPEAKERI'm digressing from my digression here.

23:54SPEAKERHave you seen that Arc browser?

23:56SPEAKER- No.

23:57SPEAKER- A-R-C, okay, I won't belabor it.

23:59SPEAKERYou can go look it up.

24:01SPEAKERIt's a startup.

24:02SPEAKERThere is a startup that's a bunch of like Google Chrome

24:04SPEAKERand Amazon S3 and like Instagram,

24:08SPEAKERa bunch of veterans of like web stuff have gotten together.

24:11SPEAKER- It's from the browser company.

24:13SPEAKER- Yes, they formed a startup called the browser company

24:15SPEAKERand they're making a browser called Arc.

24:19SPEAKERIt's only on Mac right now

24:20SPEAKERand it's like an invite only beta.

24:21SPEAKERSo it's super unavailable,

24:23SPEAKERbut it's like apparently some fairly radical rethink

24:26SPEAKERof how a browser should work.

24:29SPEAKERThey're doing stuff like page

24:32SPEAKERand player agnostic media controls.

24:34SPEAKERSo like any page that's got media in it,

24:37SPEAKERthere are controls in the browser UI itself for that.

24:40SPEAKER- Oh, so they're using the mobile style playback

24:42SPEAKERfor the video instead of picking the...

24:45SPEAKERYeah, that's interesting.

24:46SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, that's a digression.

24:49SPEAKERAnyway, that seems like something to maybe keep an eye on.

24:51SPEAKERSomebody mentioned it on our discord.

24:52SPEAKER- I don't think I have a Mac

24:53SPEAKERthat would run that probably at this point.

24:57SPEAKER- What did I dig?

24:58SPEAKEROh, Edge.

24:59SPEAKER- Yeah, your weird browser perversions.

25:03SPEAKER- All I was gonna say, sorry,

25:03SPEAKERthis is like far afield of this question.

25:05SPEAKERLike I think it's Edge that's doing it, not Windows,

25:08SPEAKERbut it's gotten extremely invasive

25:09SPEAKERabout all the auto-correct stuff.

25:11SPEAKERLike, did you forget punctuation here?

25:14SPEAKERNo, I'm in a chat app.

25:15SPEAKERI don't care about punctuation, leave me alone.

25:17SPEAKERConstant word replacement suggestions,

25:20SPEAKERlike constant little finger wagging about stuff.

25:24SPEAKER- That's the world we're coming toward with the...

25:26SPEAKERYou thought the, you thought the,

25:28SPEAKERhey, I'll complete your sentence for you thing was annoying.

25:31SPEAKERWait, just wait until they let,

25:32SPEAKERget the AI chat bots loose on your text.

25:36SPEAKERAnd they're like, you know,

25:38SPEAKERyou've actually split your infinitives here.

25:40SPEAKERDo you, are you sure you really want to do that, Brad?

25:42SPEAKERIt's, you know,

25:43SPEAKERit's appropriate for casual conversation, but not.

25:47SPEAKER- Sometimes-

25:48SPEAKER- We're all gonna sound exactly the same.

25:49SPEAKER- Sometimes intentionally incorrect grammar

25:52SPEAKERis a fun act of affectation, robot.

25:54SPEAKERGet off my back.

25:55SPEAKER- We're, the thing that bums me about the AI chat bot stuff

25:59SPEAKERis that we're just reverting to the mean.

26:01SPEAKERLike that's, I don't see how it's anything but that,

26:04SPEAKERwhere everything becomes the most bland,

26:07SPEAKERvanilla version of language.

26:09SPEAKERAnyway.

26:10SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

26:12SPEAKERAll right, Lunchbox 700.

26:16SPEAKERIs there anything in tech that you wish took

26:18SPEAKERan actually substantial leap forward

26:20SPEAKERbecause it feels like the same old for too long?

26:23SPEAKER- I can't believe there were 699 other lunchboxes

26:25SPEAKERon the Discord when they signed up.

26:27SPEAKER- That's a lot of lunchboxes.

26:29SPEAKERI found my, I found my Ewoks lunchbox

26:31SPEAKERin the basement the last time I was home.

26:33SPEAKER- Ooh.

26:34SPEAKER- From circa '86 or something.

26:38SPEAKER- Let's see, what do I wish has taken

26:40SPEAKERa substantial leap forward?

26:42SPEAKER- Instant answer for me is batteries.

26:45SPEAKER- I'm gonna go tell you,

26:46SPEAKERI think batteries change, improve so slowly

26:50SPEAKERthat we don't notice.

26:51SPEAKERBut I bet if you took a 2009 battery,

26:55SPEAKERa 2013 battery and jammed it into your 2023 phone,

26:58SPEAKERyou'd be floored at how crappy it is

27:00SPEAKERcompared to what we got today.

27:02SPEAKER- You're absolutely right.

27:02SPEAKERI was about to say that.

27:03SPEAKERLike they definitely have gotten better,

27:05SPEAKERbut it is iterative, you know?

27:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:07SPEAKER- It's a slow and steady.

27:09SPEAKER- Well, and we're also using,

27:10SPEAKEReverything we're doing is using more power now too.

27:12SPEAKERSo it's like it's just keeping up

27:14SPEAKERrather than there's no leap forwards.

27:17SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, in the spirit of the question,

27:19SPEAKERlike they're talking about just kind of a big leap.

27:21SPEAKERLike what if batteries had 10 times the capacity tomorrow

27:24SPEAKERor the charging behavior was more sensible

27:26SPEAKERor they charged in 30 seconds, you know, stuff like that.

27:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I want the Back to the Future screen on the wall.

27:35SPEAKERI want my next TV to be a film

27:37SPEAKERthat I roll out and stick on the wall.

27:39SPEAKER- Sure.

27:40SPEAKER- I don't think we're quite there yet.

27:42SPEAKER- How about just like a,

27:43SPEAKERI mean, are we getting full science fiction here?

27:45SPEAKERHow about just a floating screen

27:46SPEAKERthat needs no medium upon which to project?

27:49SPEAKER- Look, mine is a real thing.

27:51SPEAKERYours is some made up science fiction bullshit.

27:54SPEAKER- How cool would that be

27:55SPEAKERif you could just spawn your TV anywhere you want?

27:58SPEAKER- I mean, that's, well, when you get the eye implants,

28:01SPEAKERthere you go, it keeps coming back to that.

28:04SPEAKER'Cause like, I see, what was it?

28:07SPEAKERThe people who got the auditory implants

28:11SPEAKERare now getting end of lifed.

28:14SPEAKERTheir implants are getting, did you see this?

28:15SPEAKERTheir implants are getting end of lifed.

28:17SPEAKER- Oh.

28:18SPEAKER- Yeah, so like they're not getting software updates

28:21SPEAKERand things that batteries will stop working or something.

28:24SPEAKERI don't know, it seemed really bad

28:25SPEAKERfor something that's implanted in your head.

28:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't even know that such a thing existed.

28:30SPEAKERI see those are like surgical.

28:31SPEAKER- Yeah, surgically installed.

28:33SPEAKER- Yikes.

28:34SPEAKER- Like cochlear implants.

28:35SPEAKERAnd the company went out of business or was bought

28:37SPEAKERand the people that bought them

28:38SPEAKERare end of lifing the old company's products.

28:40SPEAKER- Oh, that's terrible.

28:41SPEAKER- And yeah, I mean, all of that stuff makes me,

28:50SPEAKERhonestly, it's the same as like the Volkswagen saying,

28:53SPEAKER"Hey, we're only gonna support software updates

28:55SPEAKER"on these cars for 15 years after the car comes out."

28:58SPEAKERAnd I think, man, cars last a lot longer than 15 years.

29:03SPEAKERRight, so are we gonna have these cars driving around

29:06SPEAKERwith just insecure dashboards

29:07SPEAKERor are you gonna have to like download some janky,

29:11SPEAKERlike hacked user supported software for your dash stuff

29:17SPEAKERor what?

29:18SPEAKERAnd I feel like we need to have actual,

29:20SPEAKERlike maybe there needs to be legislation

29:22SPEAKERabout how long companies have to support stuff

29:26SPEAKERif they're not gonna actually support it

29:27SPEAKERas long as it should be.

29:28SPEAKER- And something in that legislation

29:30SPEAKERto address end of lifing stuff.

29:31SPEAKERLike there should be some protocol for end of lifing it.

29:34SPEAKERI don't know what that should be.

29:35SPEAKERThis is kind of coming to me as I speak.

29:37SPEAKERBut like something about

29:39SPEAKERif you're going to end of life this product,

29:41SPEAKERit needs to be left in some defined state

29:44SPEAKERof either openness or like something

29:48SPEAKERthat makes it viable for the longterm, right?

29:51SPEAKER- Like it feels like the standards

29:52SPEAKERfor end of lifing my phone software

29:55SPEAKERand something that's embedded in my head

29:58SPEAKERor something that's in a high dollar item, like a car,

30:00SPEAKERor even like a home appliance,

30:01SPEAKERlike a fridge or a TV or something.

30:04SPEAKERIt feels like there should be different standards for that

30:07SPEAKERand that they should be,

30:08SPEAKERlike I shouldn't be surprised by my eyeball implant.

30:13SPEAKERSo to circle back to the original question,

30:17SPEAKERI think I'm more interested in some things slowing down.

30:20SPEAKERLike I think as some categories change slower,

30:24SPEAKERit becomes more interesting

30:25SPEAKERbecause then I'm willing to maybe,

30:29SPEAKERlike I think there's room to live with some stuff longer

30:32SPEAKERand upgrade it less often.

30:33SPEAKERAnd it's like a really good thing happened with TVs

30:38SPEAKERwhen the processors and TVs got fast enough

30:40SPEAKERto run all the video apps and those interfaces weren't crap.

30:44SPEAKERAnd we stopped upgrading the boxes

30:45SPEAKERthat we had hooked up to our TV every three years.

30:47SPEAKERAnd most people just use the one

30:48SPEAKERthat's built into the TV now.

30:50SPEAKERLike we could use more of that and less of,

30:53SPEAKERhey, everything should be moving super fast.

30:55SPEAKER- I could not agree more.

30:57SPEAKERThere's a lot of stuff you can just buy

30:59SPEAKERand use until it breaks.

31:01SPEAKERThat'd be just fine.

31:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:03SPEAKERSpeakers, radios, we've talked about that.

31:05SPEAKERYou've got that.

31:06SPEAKER- My speakers are 20 years old.

31:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:08SPEAKERMine are about 15.

31:08SPEAKERMy floor speakers in the living room,

31:10SPEAKERlike they sound just like they did the day I bought them.

31:12SPEAKERThey sound amazing.

31:14SPEAKERYou've got that, what is it?

31:15SPEAKERA German made, like 40s radio?

31:16SPEAKER- It's a German radio from the mid 40s, post World War II.

31:21SPEAKER- Right.

31:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:22SPEAKER- But still totally usable.

31:24SPEAKER- You plug it in, you turn it on.

31:25SPEAKERI can hear shortwave BBC.

31:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:27SPEAKER- I have to put an antenna up.

31:29SPEAKER- Some stuff just works and continues to work.

31:31SPEAKERAnd that's good.

31:34SPEAKERAll right, question from Covoid.

31:36SPEAKERI don't have an informed answer here,

31:40SPEAKERbut my guess is this is,

31:42SPEAKERI think I know what the answer is.

31:44SPEAKERHow bad of an idea is it to run a GPU

31:46SPEAKERoff of two separate power supplies?

31:48SPEAKERI have a Radeon 6950 XT and I'm missing a cable

31:52SPEAKERfor one of its three eight pin connectors.

31:55SPEAKERI have a spare non-modular power supply

31:57SPEAKERwith the right connector to fit that third slot.

32:00SPEAKERIf I plug that in and boot them both up,

32:02SPEAKERwill it fry the card?

32:04SPEAKERWhat's the jankiest thing you've ever done

32:06SPEAKERwhile building a PC?

32:08SPEAKER- I think that it'd be fine.

32:10SPEAKERI don't know. - You think so?

32:11SPEAKER- How are you gonna hotwire?

32:12SPEAKERIs the second PC CPU hotwired so it's always running?

32:18SPEAKERThe more likely thing is you'll burn out

32:19SPEAKERthe second power supply when there's no load on it.

32:22SPEAKER'Cause the PC power supplies require a load generally,

32:26SPEAKERor they have components that overheat

32:28SPEAKERand bad things happen.

32:30SPEAKER- I mean, I guess if you boot.

32:31SPEAKERWell, how would you activate the power supply though?

32:34SPEAKERThere's no ATX connection 'cause you've got that hooked

32:37SPEAKERto the, you've got the primary power supply

32:39SPEAKERhooked to the main board.

32:40SPEAKERSo like, I mean, you can short the pins or whatever

32:43SPEAKERif you time it right, I guess.

32:45SPEAKER- Well, I mean, generally what you do to get a power supply

32:48SPEAKERto turn on is you just close, you make a loop between,

32:52SPEAKERI can't remember which two pins it's like,

32:54SPEAKERit's three and four or something like that.

32:55SPEAKER- That's what I meant.

32:56SPEAKERMaybe short was not the right word,

32:57SPEAKERbut that's what I meant there.

32:59SPEAKEROr you can get a little adapter to just plug in

33:02SPEAKERthat'll bridge those two.

33:03SPEAKER- Yeah, you can get a, they're called like,

33:07SPEAKERit's a camera where they're called,

33:09SPEAKERbut basically the thing you want is,

33:12SPEAKERit's a female ATX connector, the 24 pin ATX connector

33:16SPEAKERthat shorts the right two pins.

33:18SPEAKERI mean, you could also do it with a paperclip or something,

33:20SPEAKERbut that's ill-advised.

33:23SPEAKERBut then you also want something that puts

33:25SPEAKERa pretty good size resistor across the load pins

33:28SPEAKERfor whichever bus it is that's important to keep a load on

33:32SPEAKERor else the whole thing torches.

33:34SPEAKERIt's probably easier to just buy a replacement cable.

33:37SPEAKERGenerally, if you call your vendor, they'll send you one.

33:39SPEAKER- Yeah, or if you don't mind spending the money,

33:41SPEAKERthere are aftermarket cable makers for power supplies.

33:44SPEAKERLike a cable mod is the one I see people talk about

33:47SPEAKERall the time that makes like kind of nice braided cables

33:49SPEAKERfor different manufacturers' power supplies.

33:52SPEAKER- And they're not super expensive.

33:53SPEAKERJust make sure you get the right,

33:55SPEAKER'cause like even within the,

33:58SPEAKERCorsair has two different cable specs

34:00SPEAKERfor different lines of modular power supplies.

34:02SPEAKERSo like you can't even go within the same brand.

34:05SPEAKERYou have to get the same,

34:06SPEAKERthe one for the right power supply model that you have.

34:09SPEAKER- Yeah, if this is just a matter of a missing cable

34:12SPEAKERand if you've got enough extra ports

34:15SPEAKERon the power supply and stuff,

34:16SPEAKERabsolutely just get the right cables and do that.

34:18SPEAKER- Yeah, so in the early days of like big,

34:22SPEAKERbig high power consuming dual GPU setups,

34:28SPEAKERthere weren't a lot of 1200 and 1600 watt power supplies.

34:32SPEAKERSo some of the vendors would do two 800 watt power supplies

34:38SPEAKERthat were hot wired to start off the same ATX signal

34:43SPEAKERon the motherboard.

34:45SPEAKERAnd they were fine.

34:47SPEAKERI mean, the power that comes out of these power supplies

34:49SPEAKERis pretty clean and uniform.

34:51SPEAKERI think you'd be better off running them both

34:53SPEAKERoff of the same,

34:54SPEAKERboth of the connectors for the GPU

34:56SPEAKERoff of the same power supply,

34:58SPEAKERjust so the clock time, the timings and stuff are the same.

35:01SPEAKERBut you should be able to run everything,

35:03SPEAKERall the main computer stuff off of one power supply

35:06SPEAKERand just the GPU on the second one.

35:09SPEAKERI'd buy the cable over me.

35:10SPEAKER- Yeah, definitely for something like that.

35:13SPEAKERAny stuff for the closing question,

35:17SPEAKERjankiest thing you've done?

35:18SPEAKERI've got a few.

35:19SPEAKER- Oh man, I mean, look,

35:24SPEAKERwhen we were in the Maximum PC Lab,

35:26SPEAKERabout five years into my run there,

35:28SPEAKERsomebody started making racks

35:30SPEAKERthat you could mount an ATX motherboard on.

35:32SPEAKERAnd up until that point,

35:34SPEAKERpretty much all of our test machines,

35:36SPEAKERwhen we were building something to test

35:38SPEAKERbefore we were doing the assembly

35:39SPEAKERfor a photo shoot or whatever,

35:41SPEAKERit was all just assembled loose on the desk.

35:43SPEAKERSo I mean, and I carried a lot of bad habits forward

35:47SPEAKERfrom that, until this most recent build,

35:50SPEAKERI had SSDs just dangling from SATA

35:54SPEAKERand power connectors inside my case.

35:56SPEAKER- Wait, I still do that.

36:00SPEAKER- I always feel bad about it, but.

36:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I still cardboard box my build first

36:06SPEAKERbefore it goes in the case.

36:07SPEAKERI still just assemble the basics on top of a cardboard box.

36:10SPEAKER- Oh man, I go straight in now, no.

36:13SPEAKER- I'm excited when I go build with PC World in some weeks.

36:16SPEAKERThey've got those fancy,

36:18SPEAKERI don't know what you call them,

36:18SPEAKERthe little pegboard mount looking,

36:21SPEAKERthey're basically just sort of metal standoffs,

36:25SPEAKERbig posts that are ATX spaced

36:27SPEAKERso you can lay a motherboard on there cleanly

36:30SPEAKERand mount all their hardware.

36:32SPEAKERIt's like test bench stuff, right?

36:33SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

36:34SPEAKER- I'm excited to try one of those

36:36SPEAKERbecause we don't need to get into it too much.

36:38SPEAKERWe'll do an episode on my build once it's done.

36:41SPEAKER- I hope so.

36:41SPEAKER- But AM5 and DDR5 platform stability

36:45SPEAKERas a whole ass thing.

36:48SPEAKERLike I may be in for a little bit of a roller coaster here

36:52SPEAKERlooking at people's experiences.

36:53SPEAKERSo I think it's gonna be very important

36:55SPEAKERto put nothing but RAM and CPU in that thing.

36:58SPEAKER- Oh, and then run it for a little bit.

36:59SPEAKER- And not like burn it in,

37:01SPEAKERbut just to boot it and make sure that it boots.

37:02SPEAKERLike there are straight up people just not posting

37:05SPEAKERwith DDR5 on AM5 without some work.

37:09SPEAKERAnd so it's, yeah, we'll see.

37:13SPEAKERIt should be interesting.

37:14SPEAKER- I, let's see, there were one time I pulled,

37:18SPEAKERI can't remember what CPU it was, it was probably in it.

37:20SPEAKERIt was before Intel went to the ball grid array

37:24SPEAKERor the reverse, the pins on the socket

37:27SPEAKERand the pads on the CPU.

37:31SPEAKEROne time I yanked a CPU out

37:33SPEAKER'cause the thermal paste had hardened

37:37SPEAKERand I didn't run the PC long enough to warm it up.

37:39SPEAKERAnd when I pulled the cooler off,

37:41SPEAKERthe CPU just pulled straight out of the friction holder.

37:45SPEAKERThat was bad.

37:47SPEAKERI've straightened a bunch of bent pins

37:49SPEAKERover the years using a mechanical pencil.

37:50SPEAKER- Yes, I used a knife.

37:52SPEAKERThat's, I think I've talked about most of these.

37:54SPEAKERI'll just summarize.

37:55SPEAKERBut yeah, my current Z170 board that this 7700K is in,

37:59SPEAKERI leaned over while I was building it

38:00SPEAKERand my t-shirt caught on some of the pins

38:02SPEAKERand bent 20 of them or so out of position on the CPU socket.

38:06SPEAKERAnd I had a very, very gingerly with a pocket knife

38:09SPEAKERget in there and try to bend them back.

38:10SPEAKERAnd it's run flawlessly for seven years.

38:13SPEAKERSo feel proud about that one.

38:16SPEAKER- The mechanical pencil is way easier, it turns out.

38:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I should get one of those next time.

38:20SPEAKERI hot swapped a BIOS chip.

38:23SPEAKER- Oh, like while it was running, you put a new one in?

38:26SPEAKER- This was in the early AMD days.

38:28SPEAKERI think, again, sorry if I've talked about these.

38:30SPEAKERThis was, it was a Duron or an Athlon, like a Thunderbird.

38:35SPEAKERWasn't Thunderbird, it was one of the Athlon.

38:38SPEAKERI think it was one of the, it was in that range around 2000,

38:41SPEAKER2002, something like that.

38:43SPEAKERI think it might've been some like hacked, not hacked,

38:49SPEAKERbut like edited BIOS that somebody had like toyed with,

38:52SPEAKERor it might've been a beta BIOS from the board, man.

38:54SPEAKERIt was some non-standard BIOS that I tried to flash

38:56SPEAKERto my machine to probably try to squeeze

38:58SPEAKERan extra 50 megahertz out of the chip.

39:01SPEAKERThe flash went bad.

39:03SPEAKERThe system would no longer post.

39:08SPEAKERMy roommate was out of town for business a lot,

39:10SPEAKERand he happened to have the exact same motherboard as me.

39:15SPEAKER- Did you do this without consent, Brad?

39:17SPEAKER- I hope he's not listening to this.

39:19SPEAKERI pulled a BIOS chip out of my board,

39:21SPEAKERwent in there and booted his, after his was up and running,

39:24SPEAKERpulled his chip out, put mine in,

39:25SPEAKERreflashed it with the good BIOS.

39:28SPEAKER- I can't believe that worked.

39:29SPEAKER- Every, it was like approved.

39:31SPEAKERI looked, like people online were saying like,

39:32SPEAKERyeah, do this, like this works.

39:34SPEAKERThis is like how you rescue a bad BIOS flash

39:36SPEAKERin those days before there was some, you know,

39:39SPEAKERQ flash or whatever BIOS rewind.

39:42SPEAKER- Dual BIOS thing, yeah.

39:43SPEAKER- Yes, and both systems were fine thereafter.

39:47SPEAKER- It's funny, I don't remember ever having a bad BIOS

39:50SPEAKERin the max PC lab.

39:52SPEAKER- Again, I was toying with forces

39:55SPEAKERthat I did not fully understand.

39:57SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I mean, I guess also in fairness,

39:59SPEAKERwe probably would have just called the manufacturer

40:02SPEAKERand had him send us a clean chip

40:04SPEAKERrather than trying to do a hot swap.

40:06SPEAKER- I was a broke college student.

40:08SPEAKERI didn't really have, I needed that system to work.

40:10SPEAKERI didn't have a lot of options.

40:12SPEAKER- Yeah, we, I feel like there was,

40:15SPEAKERthere's definitely some other janky stuff we did.

40:18SPEAKERI once refilled a water,

40:20SPEAKERI once changed the coolant on a water cooling system

40:24SPEAKERwhile the machine was running,

40:26SPEAKER'cause I didn't want to unplug the ATX power connector

40:29SPEAKER'cause it was behind the,

40:31SPEAKERI would have had to take the reservoir and everything out

40:33SPEAKERto get to the ATX power connector to disconnect it.

40:36SPEAKERAnd I didn't have another power supply around

40:39SPEAKERthat I could run the,

40:40SPEAKERI needed to run the pump while I was filling it was the gist

40:42SPEAKER'cause I wanted to get all the air out of the line

40:44SPEAKERwhile it was running.

40:45SPEAKERAnd so I just turned the computer on,

40:48SPEAKERdumped all the coolant out into a bucket

40:49SPEAKERwhile the other stuff was there ready to go.

40:52SPEAKERAnd I trusted that the computer would throttle down

40:55SPEAKERquickly enough that it didn't destroy anything

40:57SPEAKERand then poured the new coolant in as fast as I could

41:00SPEAKERon top of the running computer.

41:01SPEAKERIt was very exciting.

41:03SPEAKERAnd everything was fine.

41:05SPEAKER- All right.

41:06SPEAKER- Look, I had an enormous wad of paper towels there

41:09SPEAKERready to go in case I made any mistakes

41:10SPEAKERand I had somebody standing by on the power switch.

41:13SPEAKERSo it's probably okay.

41:14SPEAKER- Hey, that's our motto.

41:16SPEAKERIt's probably okay.

41:17SPEAKER- It's probably, it'll work itself out.

41:21SPEAKER- Okay, question from Ray in reverse.

41:24SPEAKERWhy do game studios release games

41:25SPEAKERand then immediately require huge updates?

41:27SPEAKERI just picked up Hogwarts Legacy

41:29SPEAKERand it required a 64 gig updates.

41:32SPEAKERI have a guess here.

41:36SPEAKER- Zero game patches probably?

41:38SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but I think that's what they're asking

41:40SPEAKERis like, why is there immediately a huge update?

41:43SPEAKERMike, okay, here's my guess.

41:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:45SPEAKER- You tell me.

41:46SPEAKERI assume that's a combination of the mad scramble

41:48SPEAKERto get a game out the door in general

41:50SPEAKERand potentially with, well, less of a thing on PC,

41:53SPEAKERbut especially on console certification stuff.

41:56SPEAKERLike you have to submit your game for certification

41:59SPEAKERbefore it comes out, right?

42:00SPEAKERSo like there's, I assume there's an interim period

42:05SPEAKERwhere you can't just push a live update

42:07SPEAKERto a game that's in cert,

42:09SPEAKERbut you're still fixing stuff and still updating things.

42:11SPEAKERAs far as why it's that big, I can't.

42:13SPEAKER- So, okay, so you're right that when you do a new game,

42:18SPEAKERthe cert situation is, the initial cert,

42:22SPEAKERat least for Microsoft, I think I can talk about this,

42:25SPEAKERis, takes longer, right?

42:27SPEAKERAnd then once you've done a couple of patches,

42:29SPEAKERthat the cert is clear on,

42:31SPEAKERthey'll put you into like an accelerated path

42:33SPEAKERwhere some of this stuff is automated.

42:36SPEAKERAnd it's like, now there are turns on the Anacrusis cert

42:40SPEAKERis like less than 24 hours.

42:43SPEAKERSometimes it's even eight if we hit the time zones right.

42:46SPEAKERThe reason the patch is so big is depending on,

42:52SPEAKERso it, as always, it's complicated.

42:56SPEAKERI think that's an Unreal Engine game.

42:58SPEAKERAnd the way it has to do with the way your data's structured.

43:02SPEAKERSo like, if you think about like old EdTech shooters,

43:06SPEAKERwhere you had pack one, pack two, pack three,

43:08SPEAKERpack four, pack five, they could replace,

43:12SPEAKERyou could change map geo or lighting maps or whatever,

43:15SPEAKERsome large component of the game in one pack,

43:19SPEAKERand it wouldn't have to re-download all the other packs.

43:21SPEAKERIt would just grab the diff.

43:23SPEAKERSo it would look at the old, the version 1.0

43:26SPEAKERof that pack file and the version 2.0 of that pack file.

43:29SPEAKERAnd then it would download some mathematical representation

43:33SPEAKERof the changes between version one

43:35SPEAKERand version two of that file.

43:37SPEAKERNow, when you start encrypting your pack files,

43:40SPEAKERlike all modern Unreal Engine games do,

43:43SPEAKERthen the diffs don't work as well,

43:45SPEAKERbecause it ends up being mathematically complicated

43:50SPEAKERto the point that you're just better off

43:51SPEAKERgiving the whole fucking file again.

43:53SPEAKERSo if when you package up your Unreal Engine game,

43:58SPEAKERyou put the stuff that's gonna change,

44:02SPEAKERgenerally the theory is, as I understand it at least,

44:05SPEAKERor at least our approach was,

44:06SPEAKERwe put the stuff that we're gonna change a lot

44:08SPEAKERin these small files, and that's stuff like weapon data

44:12SPEAKERand text files and all these little things.

44:14SPEAKERThen you put the stuff that doesn't change that often,

44:15SPEAKERlike map geo or episode geo in separate pack files

44:19SPEAKERso that everything is kind of like distinct and separate.

44:25SPEAKERAnd then the idea is, when you need to change something,

44:27SPEAKERit only changes one of the small ones

44:29SPEAKERand not one of the big ones.

44:31SPEAKERMy guess is that they changed either map geo

44:34SPEAKERor somebody ran a better light map or something like that,

44:36SPEAKERand it had to redo all of the, give you all of the maps,

44:39SPEAKER'cause 69 gigs is a lot.

44:41SPEAKEROr, alternately, they just put everything

44:42SPEAKERin one giant pack file, which means the patches

44:44SPEAKERfor that game are always gonna be enormous.

44:46SPEAKER- Cool.

44:47SPEAKERI didn't know that a lot of modern games

44:49SPEAKERwere encrypting their assets.

44:50SPEAKERIs that just a safety measure of,

44:53SPEAKERwe don't want people pulling the stuff out

44:54SPEAKERand messing with it?

44:56SPEAKER- I think Unreal does it by default.

44:58SPEAKER- But is that why you would do it in the first place?

45:01SPEAKER- I mean-

45:02SPEAKER- Prevent hacking, prevent XYZ reuse of assets?

45:06SPEAKER- I will tell you, it is incredibly easy to pull stuff

45:10SPEAKERfrom encrypted Unreal pack files.

45:12SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

45:13SPEAKER- So at this point, it's probably,

45:16SPEAKERI mean, I think it's one of those things

45:18SPEAKERthat I think people do because it's the default setting

45:22SPEAKERin Unreal and not because of any actual reason.

45:27SPEAKERLike, it's a real, there's a tool called Unreal Pack Tool

45:30SPEAKERthat will decrypt whatever you have, I believe.

45:34SPEAKERTells you how to extract the keys

45:35SPEAKERfrom the games that you have.

45:36SPEAKERSo you buy the game, you get the key, you get the pack,

45:38SPEAKERyou put this into this tool,

45:40SPEAKERand then you can browse the pack file

45:41SPEAKERjust like it wasn't encrypted.

45:42SPEAKERSo it's like, I don't know why you bother.

45:44SPEAKER- Yeah, okay then.

45:46SPEAKER- A game developer friend of mine years ago,

45:49SPEAKERwhen I was working on a Fusho thing,

45:50SPEAKERthey just handed me the whole assets for the whole,

45:54SPEAKERthe whole project for their game, right?

45:56SPEAKERThey were like, here's the whole thing.

45:57SPEAKERWe just copied off of our performance.

45:58SPEAKERI was like, wow, are you sure?

45:59SPEAKERLike, I don't know if I want that response.

46:01SPEAKERIt was like, the game's out.

46:03SPEAKERIt's on Russian sites already.

46:04SPEAKERYou can download it unencrypted today.

46:07SPEAKERSo if you want to see how it works, it's all there.

46:09SPEAKERThere's nothing we can keep secret, so.

46:10SPEAKER- Oh, okay then.

46:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's all compiled.

46:14SPEAKER- All right, next question.

46:15SPEAKERIt's another Warbird question.

46:17SPEAKER- Oh, no.

46:18SPEAKER- Still not about sports.

46:19SPEAKER- Wow.

46:20SPEAKER- Why is OS X support of common and critical tools so bad?

46:24SPEAKEROut of the box Python and Rsync are hilariously out of date

46:28SPEAKERand more or less necessitate the usage of a homebrew

46:31SPEAKERor other methods to get something workable

46:33SPEAKERfor modern systems.

46:35SPEAKERFor Pete's sake, the stock Rsync

46:37SPEAKERdoesn't have a version flag, it's so old.

46:40SPEAKERDo you use?

46:41SPEAKER- First of all, I admire his use of the term OS X.

46:44SPEAKERIf I was brave enough, I too would still be using OS X.

46:48SPEAKERI started saying Mac OS, which I think is worse.

46:51SPEAKER- Well, it's OS 11 now.

46:52SPEAKER- Well, I know that's, that is even.

46:54SPEAKER(laughing)

46:56SPEAKEROS X was supposed to be the last operating system.

46:58SPEAKERAnyway.

46:59SPEAKER- Once again, versioning and branding are bad.

47:01SPEAKERFor somebody so good at making stuff,

47:03SPEAKERthey're so bad at naming it.

47:04SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, I guess you don't use Mac.

47:06SPEAKER- I don't have a working Mac.

47:07SPEAKER- Oh, wow, okay.

47:09SPEAKER- I mean, my MacBook, my most recent MacBook

47:12SPEAKERis a 2013 or 2014 13-inch MacBook Pro.

47:17SPEAKER- Yeah, so Apple's, I guess this is all on me.

47:19SPEAKERApple's standards around command line stuff

47:22SPEAKERare very weird then.

47:23SPEAKERI don't fully understand them.

47:25SPEAKERFirst of all, they are using the BSD version of utilities

47:28SPEAKERand not the GNU versions.

47:29SPEAKERSo stuff like Find that you're gonna come to from Linux

47:33SPEAKERis gonna have different flags and it's a whole thing.

47:36SPEAKER- Well, we talked about this with Jeremy Allison

47:38SPEAKERon the Samba episode of the FOSPOD too

47:40SPEAKER'cause he was like, yeah,

47:40SPEAKER'cause he said Apple had reached out to them

47:44SPEAKERand they wanted help getting Samba running on, I think, iOS

47:48SPEAKER'cause it's part of Files now, the Files app now.

47:50SPEAKER- Okay, yes, it is.

47:52SPEAKER- And he was like, when he started talking to them,

47:57SPEAKERthey were using an ancient version of Samba

47:59SPEAKERand he was like, if you update to the newer ones,

48:01SPEAKERthen these problems are solved.

48:03SPEAKERAnd then he thought that they just backboarded the fixes

48:07SPEAKERinto their old versions.

48:09SPEAKER- That's entirely possible.

48:10SPEAKER- We might have cut that from the interview.

48:11SPEAKERI can't remember.

48:12SPEAKER- Maybe so.

48:13SPEAKERSo like OSN has a bunch of FreeBSD underpinnings.

48:17SPEAKERIt's not entirely for BSD, but partially

48:19SPEAKERlike a big chunk of the kernel is patterned after it.

48:22SPEAKERSo I guess that,

48:24SPEAKERbut I think it's maybe more of a licensing thing

48:26SPEAKERis the reason that they're using BSD utilities.

48:28SPEAKERBut the other thing is they are also just seemingly

48:31SPEAKERslowly purging GPL anything from the operating system.

48:35SPEAKER- Oh, really?

48:36SPEAKER- Like I don't think it ships with Bash anymore

48:39SPEAKERor it might still have Bash, but it's a very old version.

48:42SPEAKERLike they, as of the newest version

48:43SPEAKERor maybe the last version,

48:45SPEAKERthey don't ship Nano anymore as another example.

48:46SPEAKER- Is it a GPL3 thing?

48:48SPEAKERLike anything that switched to GPL3, they're not using?

48:51SPEAKER- That might be it.

48:52SPEAKERAnd then this is all just sort of scuttle bud

48:54SPEAKERthat I see on forums.

48:55SPEAKERThat's people's speculation

48:56SPEAKERis why these utilities are disappearing

48:58SPEAKERis because they just seem like they maybe don't want

49:01SPEAKERany GPL licensed software shipping in the OS anymore.

49:05SPEAKER- Huh. - It's weird.

49:07SPEAKERI'm not 100% on that,

49:09SPEAKERbut that seems to be the way things are going.

49:12SPEAKERLike the ship, I think Pico is in there, alias to Nano.

49:16SPEAKERLike if you run Nano, you'll get Pico,

49:18SPEAKERI believe is the case.

49:20SPEAKER- That is fascinating.

49:21SPEAKERI wonder how much, like it's their general strategy with,

49:27SPEAKERokay, so I know that the GPL3 is incompatible

49:30SPEAKERwith App Store apps because the conveyance

49:33SPEAKERhas to be open source for GPL3 stuff as well.

49:36SPEAKERSo that means Apple would have to open source the App Store

49:39SPEAKERand they're probably not gonna do that, I think.

49:41SPEAKER- Man, that is extremely restrictive.

49:43SPEAKERI didn't know it was that serious.

49:44SPEAKER- There's a lot of, this is why people were upset

49:47SPEAKERabout the GPL3 is because they were like,

49:49SPEAKERthis is theoretically great, but in the real world

49:52SPEAKERin which people use software, it's not particularly viable.

49:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I think this whole thing is the same reason

49:59SPEAKERthey switched to Z shell from Bash as the default shell

50:02SPEAKERin OS 10 and I looked it up and sure enough,

50:04SPEAKERthe Z shell license is extremely permissive.

50:07SPEAKER- Yeah, so it could be that if they're distributing updates

50:09SPEAKERto command line utilities through the Mac App Store,

50:12SPEAKERthey don't, then anything that uses the GPL3

50:16SPEAKERis off limits for Mac OS.

50:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:20SPEAKER- I don't, I think this is also why a lot of places

50:25SPEAKERdo dual licenses for software and they do an MIT or a BSD

50:28SPEAKERand then GPL3 as well.

50:32SPEAKER- So yeah, I don't know, that's fascinating.

50:34SPEAKERIt's been interesting to me watching from the outside

50:37SPEAKERand I did buy an iPad Pro last year,

50:40SPEAKERbut watching from the outside and seeing how Apple

50:42SPEAKERis changing how the Mac and the iPad are kind of slowly

50:46SPEAKERgetting closer to each other.

50:49SPEAKERLike I would love, I mean, for all intents and purposes,

50:52SPEAKERmy Mac, I have a keyboard for it that has a track pad

50:55SPEAKERand I could use my iPad as in the same way

50:57SPEAKERthat I would have used it a Mac laptop, right?

51:00SPEAKERThere's just no terminal that lets me interact

51:03SPEAKERwith the shell OS, the OS under the shell on iOS

51:06SPEAKERand there is on the Mac, so I don't know.

51:08SPEAKER- I just realized I'm recording this podcast

51:11SPEAKERon this MacBook, I could just check.

51:13SPEAKEROkay, the system Python on this Ventura install

51:16SPEAKERappears to be 396, which is like not that old

51:20SPEAKERas far as I know.

51:21SPEAKER- Well, there's...

51:23SPEAKER- I think three there, they're up to 311, no.

51:26SPEAKER- You gotta come original.

51:28SPEAKER- Nope, nope.

51:29SPEAKER- Amber is the color of her energy.

51:30SPEAKER- Nope, nope, all right, let's move on.

51:35SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a year old, that's not too bad.

51:37SPEAKER- Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

51:40SPEAKERI mean, if you're the sort of person who finds versions

51:43SPEAKERof command line utilities across different operating systems

51:45SPEAKERinteresting, it's a weird dynamic that's going on there.

51:49SPEAKER- I'm probably okay, it turns out.

51:50SPEAKER- Okay, look, I don't know, I like what I like, all right.

51:55SPEAKERWordy B has an interesting question.

51:57SPEAKERI hope maybe you've got some insight into this

51:59SPEAKERfrom your VR time.

52:02SPEAKERI just listened to the PSVR two episode

52:04SPEAKERand had an idea pop into my head when you were discussing

52:06SPEAKERgetting custom lenses for the headset.

52:09SPEAKERWhy can't we just input our prescription into the headset

52:11SPEAKERand have the headset distort the video

52:13SPEAKERto match what our eyes need to see as in focus, is that?

52:17SPEAKER- I don't think the optics work that way.

52:19SPEAKER- Okay.

52:20SPEAKER- I don't think you can sometimes take data

52:23SPEAKERthat's out of focus and apply that to build

52:27SPEAKERlike a 3D model out of a series of 2D images.

52:30SPEAKERBut I don't know if it's computationally too expensive

52:34SPEAKERor something we just can't do.

52:35SPEAKERI think the problem is that when you have the optics in,

52:39SPEAKERsince they're focused to infinity in the glasses,

52:42SPEAKERI think it's that you can't see the lens.

52:44SPEAKERI think that the lenses need to focus the light

52:47SPEAKERfrom the screen onto your eyes and I think they just miss

52:50SPEAKERand I don't think we can correct for that in software.

52:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I would believe that.

52:54SPEAKER- It's an interesting idea.

52:56SPEAKERI think the way that could work though is,

53:01SPEAKERlike there are liquid lenses that are used

53:04SPEAKERin like telescopes and binoculars and stuff like that,

53:08SPEAKERthat the lenses, the liquid physically changes

53:14SPEAKERthe configuration of the lens and that's possible,

53:17SPEAKERbut also probably it's cheaper to just make a clamp

53:21SPEAKERthat goes in that you put a $50 pair of lenses in.

53:25SPEAKERYeah, I need to, I really need to get some of those.

53:28SPEAKERI think that would make me use that headset more.

53:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I've got to pick up a PSVR.

53:33SPEAKERI had some conversations with people this weekend

53:36SPEAKERthat made me, or this week that made me think

53:38SPEAKERI'm gonna wanna play some stuff on that thing soon.

53:40SPEAKER- Yeah, there's some decent stuff on there.

53:43SPEAKERIs that just a software thing?

53:44SPEAKERIs that like the games that are being made for it

53:46SPEAKERinterests you, it's not a hardware thing?

53:48SPEAKER- I talk to people whose opinions I really respect

53:52SPEAKERon about, let's say some current and upcoming titles.

53:58SPEAKER- Oh.

53:58SPEAKER- And I was excited about the things that I heard.

54:01SPEAKER- Ooh, that's exciting.

54:03SPEAKER- And I believe that the things that were referenced

54:06SPEAKERwere all exclusives, so.

54:08SPEAKER- Huh, okay.

54:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:10SPEAKER- All right.

54:10SPEAKER- Also, I talked to somebody who was like,

54:13SPEAKERyeah, that horizon thing is the bomb, so.

54:15SPEAKER- It's cool, I need to finish it.

54:17SPEAKERI was really enjoying it.

54:20SPEAKERAll right, let's whip through a few more questions here.

54:23SPEAKERBeware of the leopard.

54:25SPEAKERHow's the Halt and Catch Fire rewatch going?

54:29SPEAKER- I don't have any services that have it.

54:30SPEAKER- Is this a threat?

54:31SPEAKERI don't know, this sounds threatening to me somehow.

54:34SPEAKER- No, Halt and Catch Fire.

54:36SPEAKER- How's that rewatch going that you're not doing right now?

54:39SPEAKERNo, I'm paranoid.

54:42SPEAKER- It's on AMC.

54:43SPEAKER- Is it?

54:44SPEAKEROkay, so yeah, the actual answer here is that

54:46SPEAKERI would love to do this and we talked about doing it

54:48SPEAKERlast year, about a year ago maybe.

54:50SPEAKER- Yeah, a while ago.

54:52SPEAKER- Whenever it was we talked about it,

54:54SPEAKERit had just disappeared from common streaming services.

54:57SPEAKERI think it was Netflix, right?

54:58SPEAKER- It was on Netflix before, yeah.

54:59SPEAKER- It had just dropped from Netflix

55:01SPEAKERwhen we talked about doing it and I was very sad

55:03SPEAKERand I don't think at the time it was anywhere else.

55:05SPEAKER- Well, also you're a little overbooked

55:07SPEAKERon watching shit stuff and talking about it

55:09SPEAKERpodcasts at the moment.

55:10SPEAKER- Time to watch extra stuff is extremely limited

55:14SPEAKERat the moment, but if it's back on stream,

55:17SPEAKER- Well, did you say it's on the AMC service?

55:19SPEAKER- It's on the AMC service.

55:20SPEAKER- I don't know why the AMC streaming service for me

55:23SPEAKERis the poster child of there are too many

55:25SPEAKERstreaming services now.

55:27SPEAKERThat's the one when I heard that it had debuted,

55:29SPEAKERI was like, okay, come on, come on.

55:31SPEAKER- We generally have one floater that switches back and forth

55:36SPEAKERbetween Peacock or Paramount and what are the people

55:47SPEAKERwho eliminate the good DPDs?

55:50SPEAKER- Criterion?

55:51SPEAKER- Criterion and I guess I can add AMC to that rotation,

55:55SPEAKERbut sometimes the fight between Paramount

55:59SPEAKERwith new Star Trek seemingly every third day

56:03SPEAKERand Criterion, they do these themed months

56:09SPEAKERthat are really good, so I'll fire it up for a month

56:12SPEAKERwhen they do Samurai Month or something

56:13SPEAKERand we'll watch a bunch of Samurai movies.

56:16SPEAKER- Yeah, we should do that at some point.

56:18SPEAKERI don't know if the streaming situation,

56:20SPEAKERlike you want it to be widely available

56:22SPEAKERfor the people listening, right?

56:23SPEAKERLike that's the thing is you want it to be easy

56:26SPEAKERand hopefully not super expensive

56:27SPEAKERfor the people listening to the podcast

56:29SPEAKERwho also watch the thing and if we had thought of it earlier

56:33SPEAKERwhile it was still on Netflix,

56:34SPEAKERthat would make it a lot easier,

56:35SPEAKERbut we should definitely, wait a minute.

56:39SPEAKEROw, the show has Lee Pace and Mackenzie Davis in it?

56:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:44SPEAKER- And we should, okay, we have to watch this.

56:47SPEAKERWe have to watch this.

56:48SPEAKER- I watched most of the first season

56:49SPEAKERand was completely blown away.

56:51SPEAKER- Oh my God, okay.

56:52SPEAKER(laughing)

56:54SPEAKER- You know what it's about, right?

56:55SPEAKER- Oh my God, yeah, no, vaguely.

56:57SPEAKERIs it actually about Compaq or is it about like

56:59SPEAKERa fictionalized-- - It's about Compaq.

57:00SPEAKERIt's about Compaq knocking off the IBM PC BIOS.

57:03SPEAKER- But it's not a fictionalized version of Compaq?

57:06SPEAKER- It's a fictionalized version, yeah,

57:07SPEAKERbut it's like, it is the fictionalized story

57:11SPEAKERof, hey, we're gonna clone IBM's wildly successful PC

57:15SPEAKERand so we can then sell software

57:17SPEAKERthat runs on IBM's wildly successful PC.

57:20SPEAKER- Okay. - For our PCs.

57:21SPEAKER- I just saw the description of episode nine.

57:24SPEAKERComplications, menace the PC at Comdex.

57:28SPEAKER- Yeah, like literally-- - This show is made for me.

57:30SPEAKER- Mackenzie Davis is hired to like closed room,

57:38SPEAKERredesign the BIOS without any knowledge

57:40SPEAKERof how the BIOS actually works.

57:42SPEAKER- Okay, we-- - It's fucking great.

57:43SPEAKERIt's really, really good.

57:45SPEAKER- If people know of other viewing options for this show

57:47SPEAKERthat would make it more likely that we would do this.

57:49SPEAKER- I'm sure somebody's gonna tell us

57:50SPEAKERthat we can sail the high seas, we are aware, thank you.

57:53SPEAKER- Yes, that's not what I meant, but yes.

57:56SPEAKER- I will happily sign up for AMC for a couple of months

57:59SPEAKERto watch through this.

58:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:01SPEAKER- There's only like 10, it's like four seasons

58:03SPEAKERand each one's like 12 episodes.

58:04SPEAKER- Yeah, again, it's not so much us signing up to watch it,

58:07SPEAKERit's more like asking people to sign up

58:09SPEAKERfor what I consider a peripheral streaming service.

58:13SPEAKER- Look, I think, look, they've got Breaking Bad,

58:15SPEAKERthey've got this, they've got Mad Men.

58:19SPEAKERLike if you haven't seen one of those shows,

58:22SPEAKERit's worth signing up for.

58:23SPEAKER- Yeah. - I just don't know

58:24SPEAKERwhat the ongoing, you know, I don't know how much John,

58:28SPEAKERI like, I love a John Hamm,

58:29SPEAKERbut I don't know how much John Hamm I need in my day to day.

58:32SPEAKER- Mm, I get it. - Yeah.

58:33SPEAKER- I could use quite a bit, but anyway.

58:36SPEAKERAll right, few more here.

58:38SPEAKER- Yeah, what you got?

58:39SPEAKER- Cyber Slime Cassie asks.

58:41SPEAKER- That's a pretty good name.

58:42SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.

58:43SPEAKERWhat's your favorite shitty tech nostalgia,

58:45SPEAKERthe things you hated about hardware and software at the time

58:47SPEAKERbut now you get wistful and teary-eyed?

58:50SPEAKERI think mine is the MS-DOS logo you'd see in Windows 95.

58:54SPEAKERI always struggled to look at it as a kid,

58:56SPEAKERbut now the nostalgia hits hard.

58:59SPEAKERYou're not wrong, there's something about that MS-DOS icon

59:01SPEAKERfrom Windows 95 that gets me.

59:03SPEAKER- It's the gray, it's the gray MS with the red D,

59:07SPEAKERthe purpley-blue O and the S all interlinked at the bottom.

59:11SPEAKER- I think, for me, I think it's that the color palette

59:13SPEAKERreminds me of Trix or Froot Loops.

59:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see that.

59:19SPEAKER- I think of Fruits Breakfast Cereal when I look at it, but.

59:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, I don't know, I miss CRTs a lot, it turns out.

59:29SPEAKER- Really, what?

59:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:30SPEAKER- Man, I mean, look, there are definitely advantages

59:32SPEAKERin terms of image quality and kind of refresh,

59:35SPEAKERlow persistence, et cetera, et cetera, but I don't know.

59:38SPEAKER- I miss that gentle glow.

59:39SPEAKERI miss that, I miss, I miss the, you know,

59:41SPEAKERI miss just the warmth of the, I miss, I miss,

59:44SPEAKERyou know what I miss?

59:45SPEAKERI miss putting your hand up to the screen

59:47SPEAKERand feeling the static.

59:48SPEAKER- Mm, okay, yeah, I like the sound of degaussing it.

59:52SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

59:53SPEAKER- Fair.

59:53SPEAKER- The click when it turns off and on, yeah.

59:55SPEAKER- CRTs look amazing, don't get me wrong.

59:57SPEAKERWell, actually, you know what I really don't miss

59:59SPEAKERabout CRTs on top of everything else

1:00:01SPEAKERis the geometry problems that start cropping up.

1:00:03SPEAKER- Thought you were gonna say CRTs.

1:00:05SPEAKER- Nuts, I'm sorry.

1:00:07SPEAKER- Also that, yeah, as CRTs got flatter,

1:00:10SPEAKERthe geometry got way worse on them and I hated that.

1:00:13SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true.

1:00:14SPEAKERI, yeah, I don't know.

1:00:18SPEAKERI don't have a lot of, I don't have a lot of like,

1:00:20SPEAKERlook, my nostalgia for mechanical keyboards

1:00:22SPEAKERhas been sated by buying a bunch of mechanical keyboards.

1:00:25SPEAKER- Oh man, I've been, I've been.

1:00:27SPEAKER- You know, you're in the hole now, you got it.

1:00:29SPEAKER- I've been just randomly loading up Keyfron's site again

1:00:32SPEAKERrecently, every so often, just looking at it.

1:00:34SPEAKERI don't need a new keyboard, this one is working fine.

1:00:37SPEAKERI have zero reason to buy a new one, but I, mm.

1:00:40SPEAKER- When you're ready, I'll send you some of the Silent Boba,

1:00:42SPEAKERthe hybrid key switches you can buy

1:00:45SPEAKERand you can put those in, it'll be real nice and quiet.

1:00:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so Twinkle Twinkie did something devious,

1:00:52SPEAKERI would say, when he sent me that keyboard

1:00:54SPEAKERbecause it's got like kind of every major switch on it

1:00:56SPEAKERand there's a nice little legend on the back that's like,

1:00:58SPEAKERhey, the, okay, tab and caps lock are these switches

1:01:01SPEAKERand like WASD or these other ones.

1:01:04SPEAKERSo I've got, I've got like a built-in key tester here.

1:01:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:07SPEAKER- So I can, I can just, when it's, if and when it's time,

1:01:11SPEAKERI can just like try them out and decide.

1:01:13SPEAKER- Look, man, the first tab's always free.

1:01:16SPEAKER- Ah, this keyboard is fine.

1:01:19SPEAKER- Look, why, Brad, you only have one life,

1:01:22SPEAKERwhy should you live it just being fine?

1:01:25SPEAKER- Well, okay, I mean, I've said it before,

1:01:27SPEAKERit's how quiet this thing is, is the real reason,

1:01:29SPEAKERbecause being able to type while on a microphone

1:01:31SPEAKERand have it not really pick up is pretty nice.

1:01:33SPEAKER- Yeah, but you bought that nice microphone

1:01:34SPEAKERwith the good off-axis filtering and you can put

1:01:38SPEAKERa little desk mat underneath your keyboard

1:01:39SPEAKERso it softens out the impacts a little bit.

1:01:42SPEAKERYou know, there's ways you can make this work.

1:01:45SPEAKER- Yes, okay, all right, let's wrap here

1:01:48SPEAKERwith cake batter or lightning round.

1:01:50SPEAKER- Okay, lightning round.

1:01:51SPEAKER- We need, we need, we need theme music

1:01:53SPEAKERor something for this segment.

1:01:54SPEAKER- Cake batter, lightning round.

1:01:59SPEAKER- All right, what percentage of a bedroom

1:02:01SPEAKERshould be occupied by a bed?

1:02:03SPEAKER- Oh man, this is--

1:02:03SPEAKER- 100%, 100%, make the floor in the bedroom out of bed,

1:02:07SPEAKERmake the entire bedroom the bed,

1:02:08SPEAKERI just wanna stand in the doorway and fall face down.

1:02:12SPEAKER- I don't know if I wanna have to vacuum my bed though.

1:02:15SPEAKER- Okay, fair.

1:02:18SPEAKER- Northern California houses are small,

1:02:20SPEAKERI've had a queen size bed my entire life now,

1:02:23SPEAKERwhen I go stay in a hotel or like Airbnb or something.

1:02:27SPEAKER- Wait, your entire life?

1:02:28SPEAKER- I mean, since I was a kid.

1:02:30SPEAKER- Wow, I had a twin bed until I was like out of,

1:02:32SPEAKERwell, I think I got a full in high school

1:02:37SPEAKERor maybe middle school, finally.

1:02:38SPEAKER- So when I moved into the upper class dorms at UT,

1:02:44SPEAKERI had a room to myself, so I just bungee-corded both.

1:02:47SPEAKER- Oh my God.

1:02:48SPEAKER- I bungee-corded both of the twin beds

1:02:49SPEAKERin that room together and had a king size then,

1:02:52SPEAKERit was fucking awesome.

1:02:53SPEAKERThere was a metal pole across the middle,

1:02:54SPEAKERso like you had to be careful.

1:02:56SPEAKER- You had a room to yourself, what?

1:02:58SPEAKER- I had a room to myself, it was a phone port too.

1:03:01SPEAKER- It sounds like a room intended for two people?

1:03:03SPEAKER- It was a four person suite with two bedrooms

1:03:06SPEAKERand a kitchen and a living room and a bathroom.

1:03:08SPEAKER- Okay, and was it just a low occupancy thing?

1:03:11SPEAKERWe don't have enough people to fill these?

1:03:13SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you.

1:03:15SPEAKERThere was some drama with my initial room

1:03:18SPEAKERand they did me a make good

1:03:20SPEAKERbecause there was some nefarious business happening

1:03:24SPEAKERin the first room that they put me in randomly.

1:03:28SPEAKERAnd so they put me in a solo,

1:03:34SPEAKERso you could buy the solo room.

1:03:36SPEAKERLike that was an option.

1:03:37SPEAKERYou could pay like an extra 600 bucks and get a solo room.

1:03:39SPEAKERThey comped me the $600 solo room.

1:03:42SPEAKER- Wow, that must've been some, we won't get into it.

1:03:47SPEAKER- There was a fair amount of crime happening

1:03:49SPEAKERin my first dorm room.

1:03:50SPEAKER- I see, I see, okay.

1:03:58SPEAKERAnyway, now these days it feels like a minor amount

1:04:02SPEAKERof psychic drama, but back then it felt like a lot.

1:04:05SPEAKERAnyway, and then I moved out of the dorms

1:04:12SPEAKERand I had a queen size bed from then on.

1:04:14SPEAKERLike in California, the whole nine yards.

1:04:17SPEAKERI would love to have a king size bed

1:04:18SPEAKERat this point in my life.

1:04:19SPEAKER'Cause I have a kid, sometimes it's nice to like

1:04:21SPEAKERjump into bed on Sunday morning and lay down

1:04:22SPEAKERand watch cartoons or something together.

1:04:25SPEAKER- All right. - 70% is the max.

1:04:29SPEAKER- 70, okay, all right, sure.

1:04:31SPEAKERYeah, I have extremely come around to the,

1:04:33SPEAKERlike the bedroom is for sleeping and et cetera

1:04:35SPEAKERand not like a TV or a desk.

1:04:39SPEAKER- So I never had a TV in my bedroom until we had a kid.

1:04:42SPEAKERAnd then like the first time she got really sick,

1:04:45SPEAKERI was like, we gotta have a fucking TV in here

1:04:47SPEAKERso that we can get her to lay in bed and be, get better.

1:04:51SPEAKER- Fair. - Yeah.

1:04:52SPEAKER- All right, why are all North American power outlets

1:04:54SPEAKERupside down, is it because they form a face

1:04:57SPEAKERand we all like the face?

1:04:58SPEAKER- Who's to say that upside down or right side up

1:05:01SPEAKERis right side up or upside down?

1:05:03SPEAKER- Wait, are they upside down in Canada?

1:05:05SPEAKERAre they the other way in Canada?

1:05:06SPEAKER- No, in Australia, they're upside down.

1:05:08SPEAKER- Oh. - 'Cause it's different.

1:05:10SPEAKER- He's in Canada, so I assume they're also the same up there.

1:05:14SPEAKEROh, no, he's a North American, I'm sorry, not American.

1:05:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:17SPEAKER- Okay, I'm sorry, he was talking about.

1:05:20SPEAKER- I don't, do you think people put the,

1:05:22SPEAKERwell, I mean, everybody else has different shape holes.

1:05:25SPEAKER- Yes, other countries have totally different,

1:05:28SPEAKERlike some devices will still come with adapters

1:05:31SPEAKERfor other countries' power outlets.

1:05:33SPEAKER- I like the face, the face makes me happy.

1:05:35SPEAKER- Yeah, faces, like the Twitter,

1:05:37SPEAKERthat faces in things Twitter account is a delight.

1:05:39SPEAKER- But I think that faces in things Twitter account

1:05:41SPEAKERjust rips off the good posts

1:05:42SPEAKERfrom the faces in things Reddit for the record.

1:05:44SPEAKER- Okay, that's probably true.

1:05:45SPEAKER- Also, also, I wish we had 240 volt power

1:05:50SPEAKERin the United States so that my hot water kettle

1:05:53SPEAKERwould heat up faster, that would make me happy.

1:05:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see it.

1:05:58SPEAKERAll right, this is perhaps

1:06:01SPEAKERthe most cake batter question ever.

1:06:04SPEAKERWhat is a more cursed file system?

1:06:07SPEAKERYouTubeFS, storing information as YouTube videos,

1:06:10SPEAKERPingFS, storing information as ICMP packets,

1:06:14SPEAKERor IRCFS, storing information in an IRC channel.

1:06:20SPEAKERAre these all real things I've heard of?

1:06:22SPEAKERI'm pretty sure I've heard of, hang on,

1:06:25SPEAKERI'm not getting any results for IRCFS.

1:06:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know how that would work

1:06:29SPEAKER'cause there's no lasting, it would be ephemeral.

1:06:31SPEAKERI think that's probably the most cursed.

1:06:33SPEAKER- I have heard of people using YouTube for stuff like that.

1:06:36SPEAKERIs that a real thing?

1:06:38SPEAKER- Well, YouTubeFS allows you to browse

1:06:40SPEAKERyour favorite YouTube videos locally on your desktop

1:06:43SPEAKERwithout going to YouTube.

1:06:44SPEAKER- Okay, that's different, that's something totally,

1:06:46SPEAKERoh, here it is, okay, no, the second,

1:06:47SPEAKERthey get this second result on GitHub.

1:06:50SPEAKERUse YouTube as a file system.

1:06:53SPEAKER- Wow.

1:06:56SPEAKER- This is on the GitHub repo, current status,

1:06:58SPEAKERunder active development, don't try and use it

1:07:01SPEAKERif it breaks or eats your data, your problem.

1:07:04SPEAKER- That seems right.

1:07:06SPEAKERThis seems like the kind of thing that the moment

1:07:07SPEAKERthey find out about, they're gonna be like,

1:07:09SPEAKERhey man, this is a good note from us, dog.

1:07:12SPEAKER- Oh my God, look at this chain of dependencies.

1:07:14SPEAKEROkay, it says, okay, what?

1:07:16SPEAKERA user space file system that uses YouTube videos

1:07:18SPEAKERas data storage, why?

1:07:22SPEAKERRandom thought, hacky proof of concepts,

1:07:23SPEAKERsort of worked with YouTube Live,

1:07:25SPEAKERthis is a more polished version.

1:07:26SPEAKERUnder the how, okay, it's fuse bindings to node,

1:07:31SPEAKERto QR encode, to FFmpeg, to YouTube video.

1:07:35SPEAKERSo, you know, probably with enough work

1:07:40SPEAKERcould use YouTube as functional infinite cloud storage.

1:07:45SPEAKERBut not there yet.

1:07:47SPEAKER- So my question for cake batter is,

1:07:51SPEAKERwhen you conceptualize these cursed file systems,

1:07:56SPEAKERdid you know that this is actually a thing?

1:07:58SPEAKER- Okay, so actually to his credit,

1:08:00SPEAKERping FS is also a real thing,

1:08:01SPEAKERI'm looking at the repo for that.

1:08:02SPEAKERStores your data in ICMP ping packets.

1:08:05SPEAKER- Wow, that is super cursed.

1:08:07SPEAKER- And this looks like it's probably more fully formed.

1:08:11SPEAKER- I don't even understand how that would work.

1:08:14SPEAKERLike where would the packets live?

1:08:16SPEAKERLike where are they stored?

1:08:18SPEAKER- That's the question.

1:08:19SPEAKER- Oh, maybe I can just read from this

1:08:21SPEAKERand answer that question.

1:08:21SPEAKERPing FS is a file system where the data is stored

1:08:23SPEAKERonly in the internet itself as ICMP echo packets or pings.

1:08:28SPEAKEROkay, wow, that's exactly what I thought it would be,

1:08:30SPEAKERtraveling from you to remote servers and back again.

1:08:33SPEAKERSo that means that the data is always in motion, right?

1:08:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:37SPEAKER- That's insane.

1:08:39SPEAKER- So it lives in the routers.

1:08:40SPEAKERIt lives in the nodes, man.

1:08:42SPEAKER- Dude, it's just, it's a ghost in the machine.

1:08:44SPEAKERThis is one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

1:08:46SPEAKERLike this is the, this is like the,

1:08:48SPEAKERis that a real thing?

1:08:49SPEAKERThe airplane that's in the air at all times?

1:08:51SPEAKER- With TCAP, TCAP?

1:08:53SPEAKER- Is that the, that's not a nuclear football thing, is it?

1:08:55SPEAKER- No, no, no, it's the EACP, I think, right?

1:09:00SPEAKER- What is the function of that airplane?

1:09:01SPEAKER- It was the, it was the, no, it's not EACP.

1:09:04SPEAKERIt was the, it was the,

1:09:09SPEAKERit was in case Washington got nuked,

1:09:11SPEAKERso there'd be continuity of command in the military.

1:09:15SPEAKER- So is there just like some number of military officials

1:09:17SPEAKERfor, as like backup command?

1:09:19SPEAKERAnd I don't even know if they still run that plane.

1:09:21SPEAKER- I think it was backup for NORAD maybe.

1:09:26SPEAKER- Okay, I see.

1:09:28SPEAKERMaybe this was before they like went

1:09:29SPEAKERto the heart of Cheyenne Mountain or whatever.

1:09:31SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it's the, the Nightwatch aircraft,

1:09:36SPEAKERthe Boeing E4B Advanced Airborne,

1:09:38SPEAKERAACP, Advanced Airborne Command Post is a militarized version

1:09:42SPEAKERof the Boeing 747-200, and for like 40 years,

1:09:47SPEAKERthere was one always in the air at a time

1:09:49SPEAKERin case of a sneak attack.

1:09:51SPEAKER- Okay, this repo has, okay, this is written in C.

1:09:55SPEAKERPingFS is, of course.

1:09:57SPEAKERIt has not been updated in about six years.

1:10:00SPEAKERThere are build instructions here.

1:10:02SPEAKERI kind of want to try this and see if I can make it work.

1:10:06SPEAKERNow I have to assume IRCFS is a real thing

1:10:09SPEAKERbecause these other two are.

1:10:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm sure it is.

1:10:13SPEAKER- As to which one is the most cursed, I cannot.

1:10:18SPEAKER- I think the Ping one is the most cursed.

1:10:19SPEAKERIt has to be. - Yeah, I think you're right.

1:10:21SPEAKERBut as far as I can tell,

1:10:22SPEAKERit's also the most fully functional.

1:10:24SPEAKER- Well, it's fair.

1:10:27SPEAKER- Okay, if you've got, you've got more weird,

1:10:31SPEAKERthe slightly disturbing offbeat tech projects,

1:10:34SPEAKERplease keep them coming 'cause this is completely fascinating.

1:10:38SPEAKER- The YouTube one actually sounds useful

1:10:40SPEAKER'cause you can store a buttload of information on YouTube.

1:10:43SPEAKER- That's what I meant about

1:10:44SPEAKERif you could make it work reliably,

1:10:46SPEAKERthat's like infinite cloud storage

1:10:48SPEAKERuntil they catch on and shut it down.

1:10:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:53SPEAKER- Did I, we should end this.

1:10:55SPEAKERI was gonna say I've kind of integrated our clone

1:10:57SPEAKERinto my workflow fully now, which is amazing.

1:11:01SPEAKER- You sent it to Dropbox or something?

1:11:03SPEAKER- I'm mostly Google Drive

1:11:04SPEAKER'cause that's what we work off of the most.

1:11:06SPEAKERI set up everything, OneDrive, Dropbox,

1:11:08SPEAKEReverything I use on there, but like,

1:11:10SPEAKERI'm actually, I just, I've got a system D service

1:11:12SPEAKERwhere I'm just mounting the next lander Google Drive on boot

1:11:17SPEAKERand it's just part of my file system now.

1:11:21SPEAKERAnd I can run, also I had to go, I went and generated.

1:11:24SPEAKERSo I guess our clone has one API key

1:11:26SPEAKERfor everybody who uses it, which is a problem with Google.

1:11:30SPEAKER- Wow.

1:11:31SPEAKER- It's not, or it just, you get a lot of rate limiting

1:11:33SPEAKERwhen you try to use it out of the box for that reason.

1:11:35SPEAKER- So do you have to create your own API key?

1:11:36SPEAKER- So I had to learn how to go to like Google Cloud

1:11:39SPEAKERand generate API keys for myself.

1:11:41SPEAKERBut now it's like almost as,

1:11:43SPEAKERI wouldn't say it's as fast as local,

1:11:45SPEAKERbut it's like pretty fast to like enumerate a directory.

1:11:48SPEAKERIt's like a second maybe.

1:11:49SPEAKER- The scary thing about that Google Cloud,

1:11:53SPEAKERlike I always get the same fear with both Google and AWS

1:11:56SPEAKERwhen I'm in their cloud dashboards.

1:11:58SPEAKER'Cause it feels like I have credit cards

1:12:00SPEAKERobviously attached to both of those accounts.

1:12:02SPEAKERIt feels like you could hit a button

1:12:04SPEAKERand sign yourself up for some enormous recurring charges

1:12:06SPEAKERif you click the wrong thing.

1:12:08SPEAKER- The Google Cloud processing stuff,

1:12:10SPEAKERlike that whole interface is extremely arcane.

1:12:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:12:14SPEAKER- I was a little in over my head.

1:12:16SPEAKER- I had to do a fair amount of that to get like Nest stuff

1:12:18SPEAKERworking on my home assistant and all that.

1:12:20SPEAKERAnd like, it's just scary.

1:12:23SPEAKERLike they need a big button that says,

1:12:25SPEAKER"Hey, you're about to spend money."

1:12:26SPEAKER- Yes, thankfully our clone gives pretty explicit

1:12:29SPEAKERinstructions for how to get the API key you need.

1:12:32SPEAKERIt's a long multi-step process,

1:12:34SPEAKERbut they spell it out reasonably clearly.

1:12:36SPEAKERSo I kind of got in and got out.

1:12:38SPEAKER- My advice to you is to copy and paste those documents,

1:12:42SPEAKERlike that documentation someplace

1:12:44SPEAKERso that when that code expires in 12 months,

1:12:46SPEAKERyou remember how to do it.

1:12:47SPEAKER- Oh, do those?

1:12:48SPEAKER- Sometimes some of them expire and some of them don't.

1:12:50SPEAKERI don't understand why some do and some don't.

1:12:52SPEAKER- All right, good to know.

1:12:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

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