00:00SPEAKER- Brad, I need an opinion.
00:01SPEAKER- All right, opinion on what?
00:03SPEAKER- I bought something that I kind of feel like
00:06SPEAKERmaybe I should be embarrassed about, but I'm not sure.
00:09SPEAKER- If it's opinion about embarrassments,
00:12SPEAKERyou've come to the right place.
00:13SPEAKER- Okay, so I bought a new, my watch band,
00:16SPEAKERI had one of the woven solo loop watch bands
00:19SPEAKERfor my Apple Watch.
00:20SPEAKERI've had it for a little bit more than a year.
00:22SPEAKERAnd as all the reviews said, it stretched out.
00:26SPEAKER- Oh, is this the Apple made one?
00:28SPEAKER- This is the Apple made one, yeah.
00:29SPEAKERThis is the braided solo loop,
00:30SPEAKERwhich is my favorite watch band ever
00:32SPEAKERthat I've had for the Apple Watch.
00:34SPEAKERBut I've had to, the first one I bought,
00:37SPEAKERI had to size down immediately
00:38SPEAKERbecause I was like, this is too big,
00:39SPEAKEReven after using all their size stuff.
00:42SPEAKERThe second one lasted for a year,
00:44SPEAKERbut now taking it on and off every day to charge,
00:46SPEAKERit's stretched out.
00:46SPEAKERAnd I mean, I do have slender, delicate wrists,
00:51SPEAKERkind of large hands.
00:52SPEAKER- I wouldn't have expected that, but okay.
00:54SPEAKER- I mean, look, this is a great podcast,
00:56SPEAKERbut you know, the hand size to wrist ratio is large.
01:02SPEAKER- I wasn't expecting to get into hand,
01:03SPEAKERhand phrenology on this podcast.
01:06SPEAKER- Look, we don't believe in phrenology here.
01:07SPEAKERThat's our official policy.
01:09SPEAKER- Yes.
01:10SPEAKER- But so I was looking at watch bands and I often,
01:13SPEAKERif I'm buying a watch band for like a single use thing,
01:17SPEAKERlike for example, I want to be able to wear my watch
01:19SPEAKERwhen I'm swimming in the pool and counting laps
01:20SPEAKERor something, right?
01:22SPEAKERThen I'll go to Amazon and I'll buy
01:24SPEAKERthe $10 knockoff cheapo watch band.
01:28SPEAKERBut if I'm buying something
01:29SPEAKERthat's going to be the new daily wear
01:30SPEAKERand I want something that's comfortable enough to sleep in,
01:32SPEAKERI tend to go for the Apple brand ones.
01:35SPEAKER'Cause I find them to blast a little better.
01:37SPEAKER- Sensible.
01:38SPEAKER- So I was looking at watch bands and I was like,
01:39SPEAKER"I want an orange one."
01:40SPEAKERAnd the only orange one that they have right now
01:42SPEAKERis the Apple watch ultra band.
01:46SPEAKER- Wait, the ultra bands are different than regular bands?
01:48SPEAKER- Well, they're bands that only ship with the ultras.
01:52SPEAKER- Only ship with, I see.
01:53SPEAKER- They fit the big normal Apple watch.
01:56SPEAKERSo am I a horrible poser by putting an Apple watch ultra,
02:02SPEAKERlike an obviously Apple watch ultra watch band
02:05SPEAKERon my non Apple watch ultra?
02:08SPEAKER- I don't want to just kill this cold open
02:10SPEAKERbefore it's even started, but I'm just going to say,
02:12SPEAKEReven if you are, you're not half as bad
02:14SPEAKERas anybody who would care that you did that.
02:16SPEAKER- Okay.
02:17SPEAKER(upbeat music)
02:23SPEAKER(upbeat music)
02:46SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."
02:48SPEAKERI'm Will.
02:49SPEAKER- I'm Brad, I'm sorry.
02:50SPEAKERI didn't mean to, let's, okay.
02:52SPEAKER- I know this isn't a video podcast,
02:53SPEAKERbut if you just want to show the class your watch band,
02:56SPEAKERwe can actually talk about the band.
02:57SPEAKER- It's orange.
02:58SPEAKERIt has a little titanium hook on the bottom.
03:00SPEAKERI bought the Alpine one with the loops.
03:02SPEAKER- It's rugged.
03:04SPEAKER- It's light is what I liked about it.
03:06SPEAKERAnd it's comfortable enough
03:07SPEAKERthat I think I'll actually sleep with it on.
03:10SPEAKER- That's right, you are a watch sleeper.
03:12SPEAKERI forgot, we've talked about that before.
03:13SPEAKERI don't understand how that's possible, but.
03:15SPEAKER- I know exactly how much sleep I've gotten every night
03:18SPEAKERfor the last 400 days.
03:19SPEAKER- Okay, from a biometric standpoint,
03:22SPEAKERI can see how it would be nice.
03:23SPEAKERBut from a like, there's a foreign object on me
03:25SPEAKERwhile I'm asleep standpoint, I'm not so sure.
03:28SPEAKER- Do you know how many times I've actually consulted
03:30SPEAKERthat information to see how much sleep I've gotten?
03:33SPEAKER- How many?
03:34SPEAKER- Never.
03:34SPEAKERI do get a little notification that's like,
03:37SPEAKER"Hey, you hit your sleep goal last night."
03:38SPEAKER- That's cool.
03:39SPEAKER- I like that.
03:40SPEAKER- Hang on, is there a hidden fourth ring?
03:42SPEAKER- There's not a hidden fourth ring.
03:44SPEAKERThey should give you a sleep ring.
03:45SPEAKERSleep is important.
03:46SPEAKER- I wish that either they would add more rings
03:47SPEAKERor they would give you like customization.
03:49SPEAKERI wish that you could like, for example,
03:51SPEAKERthey have a little meditation app.
03:52SPEAKERI wish you could do a meditation ring.
03:53SPEAKERI wish there were a little more control over.
03:56SPEAKER- That's a really good suggestion.
03:58SPEAKERI like the meditation app.
03:59SPEAKERI find often pretty, like I use the meditation app
04:03SPEAKERmore than I ever thought I would.
04:05SPEAKERBut the sleep thing, I set the sleep stuff up
04:08SPEAKERin Apple Health years ago and then never used it
04:12SPEAKERwhen I had the phone, but with the watch,
04:14SPEAKERI use it all the time.
04:16SPEAKERAnd it like, I don't know, I feel good when it's like,
04:20SPEAKER"Hey man, you've done four, five days in a row
04:22SPEAKER"where you hit your sleep goal five days."
04:24SPEAKERThat seems good.
04:25SPEAKER- That's pretty good.
04:26SPEAKER- Did not hit the sleep goal last night, sadly, I know.
04:29SPEAKERBut--
04:30SPEAKER- Does that happen on streaming nights?
04:31SPEAKERI saw that you, or wait, did you stream last night?
04:34SPEAKER- Friday night I usually stream, yeah.
04:35SPEAKERFriday night I usually play some Fortnite with my friends.
04:37SPEAKER- What, do you go to like midnight generally?
04:39SPEAKER- Yeah, when I used to do PUBG customs,
04:41SPEAKERI always went to midnight.
04:43SPEAKERAs we've gotten older and a couple of my friends
04:45SPEAKERthat I play with are in central time,
04:47SPEAKERso they go to bed a little bit earlier sometimes these days.
04:51SPEAKER- I don't know about you, but I find if I play,
04:53SPEAKERespecially like multiplayer with people,
04:54SPEAKERbut just if I stay up too late playing games,
04:57SPEAKERit kind of sabotages my ability to sleep for a while.
05:00SPEAKER- So in the early days of a game that I'm learning,
05:05SPEAKERif I get really cranked up about it,
05:07SPEAKERthen I definitely have that.
05:09SPEAKEROnce I've kind of, when the meta is established
05:14SPEAKERand I understand what I'm into,
05:15SPEAKERI don't get the adrenaline highs.
05:18SPEAKERNothing ever compares to the like 2017 PUBG.
05:23SPEAKERI stayed up until two o'clock in the morning playing PUBG
05:26SPEAKERand oh shit, I'm not gonna fall asleep until 5 a.m. now
05:28SPEAKER'cause I'm too tuned up.
05:29SPEAKER- That 1.45 a.m. chicken dinner is-
05:32SPEAKER- Oh God, it's so good.
05:34SPEAKER- Yeah, one last thing.
05:36SPEAKERFirst of all, I promise we did not set out
05:38SPEAKERto do an all Apple episode here.
05:40SPEAKERIt's kind of just trending that way,
05:41SPEAKERalthough I think the core topic is a little broader
05:43SPEAKERthan just Apple, but I do have one other watch thing
05:47SPEAKERto mention.
05:48SPEAKERI've had the most triumphant moment since I got this watch.
05:52SPEAKERI got a health notification the other day that said,
05:54SPEAKER"Hey, your cardio recovery has improved."
05:56SPEAKER- Ooh.
05:57SPEAKER- Like I've been trying to do a lot of exercise
05:59SPEAKERthe last couple of months and it straight up was like,
06:02SPEAKERcardio recovery is just sort of like,
06:04SPEAKERonce you reach elevated active heart rate,
06:05SPEAKERhow fast it comes back down.
06:07SPEAKER- That's awesome.
06:08SPEAKER- Which I guess is one measure of your overall health.
06:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:11SPEAKER- And it was just like,
06:12SPEAKERbecause I had been staring at my VO2 max,
06:14SPEAKERI don't know if you ever dig into the health stuff.
06:16SPEAKER- I often think about my VO2 max.
06:18SPEAKER- Doesn't everybody?
06:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:20SPEAKER- What is that?
06:20SPEAKERI forget, that's something like-
06:21SPEAKER- It's the oxygen, it's the carrying capacity
06:23SPEAKERof your blood for oxygen or something.
06:25SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.
06:26SPEAKERSo I guess like, the higher that is also the better,
06:28SPEAKERbut still, this was not that, but still.
06:31SPEAKERJust seeing a metric that is my physical function improve,
06:37SPEAKERlike that's possibly the best type of number to see go up.
06:41SPEAKER- So when I got COVID last year,
06:43SPEAKERI was a little bit wobbly afterwards,
06:45SPEAKER'cause I got the real tireds and it gave me the,
06:50SPEAKERhey, we've noticed your walking steadiness has decreased.
06:53SPEAKER(laughing)
06:55SPEAKERI was like, oh no, it thinks I'm 90.
06:58SPEAKER- I know.
06:58SPEAKER- The watch thinks I'm really old.
06:59SPEAKERI got this thing just in time to measure
07:01SPEAKERthe gradual decline to senescence.
07:03SPEAKER- Think they should probably,
07:04SPEAKERmaybe they should build into Siri the ability to be like,
07:06SPEAKERhey, I've been ill, hey, this is going on,
07:09SPEAKERmaybe don't scold me quite as much right now.
07:11SPEAKER- Yeah, like I would say the vigorous 29 minute exercise
07:16SPEAKERright now would let you close your activity ring
07:18SPEAKERfor the end of the day.
07:19SPEAKERAnd when I was laying there coughing up three lungs,
07:23SPEAKERit wasn't great, that wasn't helpful.
07:26SPEAKERBut so, you're just a stock Solo,
07:30SPEAKERyou're just the normal, the standard watch band, right?
07:33SPEAKERThe plastic one with the hooks?
07:35SPEAKER- Yeah, what is this?
07:35SPEAKERA silicone, I think is what it is.
07:37SPEAKER- It's silicone, yeah.
07:38SPEAKER- There is a name for this, Solo Loop or-
07:40SPEAKER- The Loop is the one that stretches
07:42SPEAKERthat doesn't have the hooks.
07:43SPEAKER- I forget what the name is for this one.
07:44SPEAKER- I think it's just the Solo band.
07:46SPEAKER- That might be right.
07:47SPEAKERIt's the one with the little metal stud
07:48SPEAKERthat you just stick through the hole.
07:49SPEAKERLike I got it thinking like,
07:51SPEAKERoh, that'll be my exercise band
07:52SPEAKERand I'll get something like more stylish.
07:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
07:55SPEAKER- But I've just kind of stuck with it.
07:57SPEAKER- I really like the ones that don't have the clasps.
08:03SPEAKERSo the other choice on this one was to get one of the ones
08:06SPEAKERthat has the, that's like the fold over Velcro,
08:09SPEAKERsorry, hook and loop closure, Apple says.
08:12SPEAKER- Wait.
08:13SPEAKER- They don't say Velcro
08:14SPEAKER'cause it's not Velcro brand Velcro.
08:15SPEAKER- Wait, is the word Velcro beneath Apple?
08:18SPEAKER- No, Velcro is a registered trademark.
08:20SPEAKERSo if they're not using Velcro brand Velcro,
08:22SPEAKERthey'll use, they call it hook and loop.
08:24SPEAKER- I didn't know that was still a thing.
08:25SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
08:26SPEAKER- I assume patents and everything expired ages ago, but.
08:29SPEAKER- I mean, but the trademark is,
08:31SPEAKERtrademarks are forever if you use them.
08:33SPEAKER- Yeah, now it's just reputation.
08:35SPEAKER- The, so that was the other choice was the nylon.
08:41SPEAKERIt was half the price, but I figured I'd try this one first.
08:45SPEAKERI was a little bit worried that the hook would scratch
08:47SPEAKERmy laptop or wrist rest or whatever,
08:51SPEAKERbut it doesn't, my arms are long enough.
08:53SPEAKERIt doesn't happen, it doesn't hit that way, so it's fine.
08:57SPEAKER- Wearable technology, it's kind of cool.
08:59SPEAKER- Yeah, but now I'm an alpine-er, Brad.
09:01SPEAKERI can go mountain climbing now, I have the right watch band.
09:03SPEAKER- That's right, that's right.
09:04SPEAKER- I'm curious to see what happens with the Apple,
09:06SPEAKERI mean, with the watch line going forward,
09:08SPEAKERnow that the Ultra is out there, like, is that flat face
09:12SPEAKERgonna trickle down to the regular line?
09:14SPEAKER- Look, the flat face, my next watch, I think,
09:17SPEAKERis probably gonna be an Ultra, I would bet.
09:19SPEAKERI will pony up the extra couple hundred bucks
09:21SPEAKERto get the fancy boy.
09:23SPEAKER- I seriously considered it, it's very expensive,
09:25SPEAKERbut the flat face and bigger screen were very appealing,
09:28SPEAKEReven though I don't need any of the other features,
09:30SPEAKERbut I just went with the regular.
09:31SPEAKER- Well, the flat face and three-day battery life
09:33SPEAKERis the one for me. - Wait, three days?
09:35SPEAKER- Three days. - Oh, my God.
09:36SPEAKER- Which, if they say three days,
09:38SPEAKERthey say my watch is a one-day battery life,
09:41SPEAKERso that means I'd probably get five the way I use it.
09:44SPEAKER- Huh, okay, I didn't realize the battery life was,
09:47SPEAKERall right, well, something to think about for--
09:49SPEAKER- But I mean, here's the thing,
09:50SPEAKERyou came in not knowing if you even wanted a watch,
09:52SPEAKERso you dipped your toes in.
09:55SPEAKER- Where I landed was I'm just gonna get
09:56SPEAKERthe most basic model that is the cheapest
09:58SPEAKERand see if I even like this, and turns out it's very useful.
10:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a handy thing.
10:03SPEAKERI listened to music on Vine this morning
10:06SPEAKERwhile I was laying in bed, and I was like, I can't sleep,
10:08SPEAKERso I just grabbed my AirPods and jammed them in
10:10SPEAKERand connected the AirPods to the watch
10:12SPEAKERand played music off of Apple Music from the watch.
10:14SPEAKER- Streaming straight from the watch.
10:16SPEAKER- Straight from the watch to the ears.
10:17SPEAKER- Weird coincidence, I also finally paired
10:20SPEAKERsome Bluetooth headphones with my watch this week.
10:22SPEAKERI've been trying to put podcasts on it,
10:23SPEAKER'cause when I go out to walk, or increasingly,
10:25SPEAKERI hopefully start running,
10:27SPEAKERI used to not have a big phone bouncing around
10:29SPEAKERin your pocket. - Yeah, turns out.
10:31SPEAKER- Just because you want to play music or podcasts off of it,
10:34SPEAKERso, oh my God, getting podcasts directly onto this watch
10:38SPEAKERis a nightmare. - Do you use Overcast?
10:40SPEAKER- Yes, that was the only thing I could figure out to do.
10:43SPEAKERI typically just use the Apple Podcast app,
10:45SPEAKER'cause it's there and it's good enough on the phone,
10:48SPEAKERbut it's completely unusable. - It's not good enough.
10:50SPEAKER- For the watch, completely unusable.
10:51SPEAKER- No, it's not good enough.
10:53SPEAKERThe Overcast integration's pretty good in my experience.
10:56SPEAKERI think you used to be able to just hit the thing
10:58SPEAKERand send it to it, but I don't think
11:00SPEAKERit works that way anymore.
11:00SPEAKER- You can't, so you have to add it to a playlist
11:03SPEAKERon the phone. - That's right.
11:04SPEAKER- And you can manually download it,
11:06SPEAKERbut it's like, okay, now you have to keep the face on
11:09SPEAKERfor the next 20 minutes, 'cause it's a very slow download,
11:11SPEAKERand the time I tried that, it got 80% of the way there
11:14SPEAKERand failed.
11:16SPEAKERThe other option is basically just say like,
11:17SPEAKERhey, anything in the playlist,
11:19SPEAKERjust sync it when it's on power,
11:20SPEAKERso that's what I've been doing, which is--
11:21SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice. - A little inconvenient,
11:23SPEAKERbut at least it works. - Yeah, yeah.
11:27SPEAKERWhat are we talking about this week, though, Brad?
11:28SPEAKER- Let's put all this Apple business aside.
11:31SPEAKER- Yes, and talk about something totally not Apple-related,
11:36SPEAKERyour iPad Pro.
11:37SPEAKERNo, actually, we're gonna talk about a sort of trip report
11:40SPEAKERnow that you've been on an M2 iPad Pro for a few months,
11:43SPEAKERbut I think also just more broadly like,
11:45SPEAKERhey, this recent market segmentation
11:49SPEAKERof sort of tablet/laptop hybrid foldable,
11:53SPEAKERlike this whole layer that now exists
11:55SPEAKERbetween traditional tablet and traditional laptop,
11:58SPEAKERis that feasible?
12:00SPEAKERAnd I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
12:02SPEAKER- Yeah, so end of last year, I was looking,
12:05SPEAKERI needed a laptop 'cause my 2016 Razer Blade,
12:13SPEAKERit's like their MacBook Pro size case,
12:17SPEAKERbut it's mostly filled with GPU
12:19SPEAKERand it has like a 40-minute battery.
12:21SPEAKER- I'm guessing you bought that for VR demos.
12:22SPEAKER- I bought that specifically so I could do VR demos, yeah,
12:25SPEAKER'cause I could carry that in a normal ass bag
12:27SPEAKERand it wasn't like an 18-inch gaming laptop
12:29SPEAKERthat weighed 18 pounds or anything like that.
12:32SPEAKERIt was very loud, had terrible battery life,
12:35SPEAKERand I needed a new portable computer,
12:39SPEAKERnot necessarily a laptop, so I needed something.
12:41SPEAKERThese days, I work on a desktop PC at my desk,
12:45SPEAKERbut when I'm traveling,
12:46SPEAKERoften I can have something a lot lighter,
12:48SPEAKERlike I'm doing presentations, stuff like that.
12:50SPEAKERI don't necessarily need the full big boy computer.
12:58SPEAKERSo I looked at what was around.
13:00SPEAKERI kind of looked at surfaces a little bit
13:01SPEAKER'cause I really liked the,
13:03SPEAKERI think they called it the Surface Book,
13:04SPEAKERwhich was the laptop with the folding metal hinge
13:07SPEAKERfrom like 2013 to 2017.
13:10SPEAKERI think they stopped that middle of last decade,
13:13SPEAKERbut you could pop off the screen.
13:15SPEAKERIt would be just a tablet.
13:16SPEAKERYou could jam it in and it would be a laptop.
13:17SPEAKERIt was expensive at the time,
13:19SPEAKERbut the thing I realized when I was looking at this
13:22SPEAKERis I wasn't gonna save money by doing an iPad Pro
13:26SPEAKERand a keyboard.
13:28SPEAKERI was going to end up about the same
13:31SPEAKERas what I would spend on a MacBook Pro
13:35SPEAKERor a comparable Windows laptop.
13:39SPEAKERSo I needed something to take on trips,
13:42SPEAKERbut I also wanted something I could use around the house
13:44SPEAKERas like my sitting on the couch computing
13:48SPEAKERso I wouldn't be on my phone
13:49SPEAKERfor the entire time I was sitting out there
13:51SPEAKER'cause it hurts a lot of reasons not to be on your phone.
13:55SPEAKERI wanted something with real battery life
13:56SPEAKER'cause I was sick and tired of 40 minutes
13:58SPEAKERof battery on the razor.
14:00SPEAKERI wanted a decent keyboard
14:01SPEAKERthat I actually do some writing on
14:02SPEAKER'cause I do a fair amount of writing
14:04SPEAKERfor both work and fun.
14:09SPEAKERI've done show notes for this podcast
14:10SPEAKERon a touchscreen keyboard before and it sucks.
14:13SPEAKERIt's not great.
14:14SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, nobody wants to do that.
14:15SPEAKERI think that's the aspect of this
14:17SPEAKERI'm the most interested in hearing about
14:18SPEAKERis it's not a full laptop keyboard.
14:21SPEAKERI guess it's maybe, is it floppy?
14:23SPEAKERI don't know.
14:23SPEAKERIt's obviously it's not like the base of a laptop
14:26SPEAKERthat's attaching to this thing
14:27SPEAKERbut is that style of detachable keyboard
14:30SPEAKERlike a valid replacement or not for a laptop?
14:33SPEAKERThat's the thing I'm curious about.
14:34SPEAKER- We can get into it.
14:38SPEAKERAnd then the other thing is I wanted,
14:39SPEAKERlike I was curious about drawing
14:41SPEAKER'cause I do a fair amount of like game design stuff.
14:44SPEAKERWe do a lot of drawing.
14:45SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't even think about that, yeah.
14:47SPEAKER- Yeah, like there's a lot of like,
14:48SPEAKERhey, I need to sketch something 'cause it's just easier
14:50SPEAKERand since we're all virtual being able to pull out the iPad
14:55SPEAKERand sketch something real quick
14:56SPEAKERand then send it into Teams or whatever
14:58SPEAKERis incredibly valuable to me.
15:00SPEAKER- Even if you're not like an artist sketching an illustration
15:02SPEAKERI'm sure just like diagramming something out is way faster.
15:06SPEAKER- Yeah, like say if you're trying to think of an example
15:11SPEAKERthat's not real, but like when I'm diagramming,
15:15SPEAKERwhen I was diagramming out how the flow
15:19SPEAKERof the mall holdout was gonna work,
15:21SPEAKERit was really nice to just be able to draw
15:23SPEAKERa vertical cylinder and then show that I wanted people
15:26SPEAKERto move from the bottom of the top or the different options
15:29SPEAKERand then see what people thought, right?
15:31SPEAKER'Cause it was one of those 500 words
15:34SPEAKERor like three drawings situations.
15:36SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
15:38SPEAKER- So yeah, I looked at everything was out there.
15:40SPEAKERI didn't want a MacBook 'cause no touch screen.
15:43SPEAKERAnd really, I didn't want a full PC
15:47SPEAKERbecause I didn't want the maintenance overhead
15:49SPEAKERof having another PC in the house.
15:50SPEAKER'Cause like with the Razor, it's unwieldy
15:54SPEAKERand like I use it infrequently enough
15:57SPEAKERthat when I did turn it on, it was always like,
16:00SPEAKERokay, I gotta install 50 Windows updates.
16:03SPEAKERI gotta update Dropbox.
16:04SPEAKERIt's gotta download three terabytes of stuff
16:06SPEAKERfrom my Dropbox folder.
16:07SPEAKERI've gotta update the video card drivers.
16:10SPEAKERI've gotta update the sound.
16:11SPEAKERLike it was like two days before I go on a trip,
16:15SPEAKERI'd have to open it up and plug it in
16:17SPEAKERand just leave it running for a while
16:18SPEAKERand then come back and hit a couple of buttons
16:20SPEAKERand then leave it running for a while, right?
16:21SPEAKERIt was a pain in the ass.
16:23SPEAKERSo I wanted something that was gonna be convenient enough
16:24SPEAKERthat I used it all the time,
16:27SPEAKERwhich is why I ended up getting the iPad Pro.
16:29SPEAKERAnd like when I started on this path,
16:31SPEAKERI went and read a bunch of the Mac sites
16:33SPEAKERand the takeaway from all of the Mac people,
16:36SPEAKERlike the journalists who write about this stuff
16:38SPEAKERall the time is, man, it's really bullshit
16:40SPEAKERthat the iPad isn't as capable as the MacBook.
16:45SPEAKERLike we should be able to run Mac OS on the iPad
16:48SPEAKERfor what it costs.
16:49SPEAKER- Oh, they're talking from a sort of UX perspective
16:51SPEAKERand like, you know, what is the interface on this thing?
16:53SPEAKERNot specific, not a technical spec divide,
16:56SPEAKERbut more of a, what does Apple let you run on this?
16:59SPEAKER- Both kind of, like it's like an ecosystem thing.
17:01SPEAKERIt's like, hey, look, these two things cost the same thing.
17:04SPEAKERThey're running basically the same hardware.
17:06SPEAKERWhy don't they, why can't you use,
17:08SPEAKERwhy don't they let the users choose?
17:09SPEAKERAnd I'm like, well, clearly you people
17:11SPEAKERwho are writing about Apple for the last 30 years
17:13SPEAKERhave never used an Apple product before.
17:14SPEAKER- Have you ever observed the functioning
17:16SPEAKERof the corporation Apple before?
17:20SPEAKERYeah, though the iPad's moving to the M series,
17:24SPEAKERSOCs, I think is why this thing is actually,
17:26SPEAKERthis is actually such an interesting topic now
17:27SPEAKERis that that only happened three-ish years,
17:31SPEAKERwhen was the first M1 iPad?
17:33SPEAKER- This is the second iPad Pro,
17:34SPEAKER'cause the M1 iPad Pro and then the M2 iPad Pros,
17:37SPEAKERand that's it.
17:38SPEAKERAnd there's also iPad Airs with M1s as well.
17:40SPEAKER- Oh, do the Airs have M's now?
17:42SPEAKER- Yeah, the Airs have M's now.
17:44SPEAKER- So is that officially, I should maybe look this up,
17:46SPEAKERis that all the iPads are now on M's instead of A's?
17:49SPEAKER- No, so the iPad iPad and the iPad Mini
17:52SPEAKERare still A14s or A12s, I think.
17:55SPEAKER- The part where the Air is a superior
17:58SPEAKERand more capable product to the regular,
18:00SPEAKERlike I can't get my head,
18:02SPEAKERAir to me sounds like a light and fluffy
18:04SPEAKERand like baseline or minimal.
18:07SPEAKERSo the Air being the one that's more powerful
18:09SPEAKERjust from a branding standpoint is weird, anyway.
18:11SPEAKER- Well, so the Air comes,
18:13SPEAKERthe Air uses the same accessories as the Pro,
18:16SPEAKERthat's the differentiator.
18:17SPEAKERSo there's a version of the first Rev of the Apple Pencil
18:21SPEAKERworks on the iPad iPad,
18:23SPEAKERthe second Rev works on the Air and the Pro,
18:27SPEAKERsame thing for the Magic Keyboard.
18:28SPEAKERIt's the, if you get the right size iPad,
18:32SPEAKERthe same Magic Keyboard will work with the iPad Air
18:34SPEAKERand the iPad Pro as well as the Apple Pencil too.
18:38SPEAKER- Okay, that's cool.
18:40SPEAKERAnyway, yes, as you say, though, that high-end iPads
18:43SPEAKERnow have essentially the same horsepower.
18:46SPEAKERI mean, with like battery life
18:47SPEAKERand clock speed differences or whatever,
18:49SPEAKERbut basically the same thing that's in the laptops now.
18:52SPEAKER- Yeah, and if you buy a iPad Air Pro
18:55SPEAKERwith like a reasonable amount of space,
18:57SPEAKERlike I bought the 256 gig model,
18:59SPEAKERwhich has eight gigabytes of RAM,
19:02SPEAKERyou can buy those up to like two terabyte versions now,
19:04SPEAKERwhich I assume are people are using in the film industry.
19:07SPEAKER- Jeez, yeah.
19:07SPEAKER- So it's like, if you think about it,
19:10SPEAKERit's a pretty, with the Thunderbolt port and all that,
19:13SPEAKERit's a pretty good way to like,
19:17SPEAKERit's a nice monitor for your film,
19:21SPEAKERlike looking at large quantities of weird resolution
19:24SPEAKERand weird codec films.
19:25SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, and they go up to like 13 inch now
19:29SPEAKERis the biggest one, is that right?
19:30SPEAKER- Well, nine, I think is the big one, yeah.
19:34SPEAKERAll the iPad Air, iPad Pros have eight gigs of RAM
19:37SPEAKERuntil you get to the 16 gig version,
19:39SPEAKERuntil you get to the one terabyte and two terabyte versions,
19:42SPEAKERwhich are 16 gigs.
19:43SPEAKER- Wow, no kidding.
19:45SPEAKERGod, that is like literally the guts
19:46SPEAKERof a laptop in there, that's wild.
19:48SPEAKER- Yeah, the only difference is
19:50SPEAKERyou have to buy the keyboard separately,
19:51SPEAKERwhich is expensive, it's like 300 bucks.
19:53SPEAKER- What?
19:54SPEAKERI mean, again, Apple, but jeez, man.
19:57SPEAKER- Well, okay, so it's a keyboard and a stand
19:59SPEAKERand it has the interface for plugging it in
20:02SPEAKERand it has a backlit keyboard and a track pad
20:06SPEAKERand the keyboard's actually good, is the thing I'll say.
20:08SPEAKERIt's not like some janky touch keyboard
20:10SPEAKERor like the weird fabric things
20:12SPEAKERthat they used to put on services 10 years ago.
20:14SPEAKER- How does it, does it interface wirelessly
20:16SPEAKERwith the tablet, I assume?
20:17SPEAKER- It has, no, it's not, it has a physical connector.
20:20SPEAKER- It does, weird.
20:21SPEAKER- There's like three little pins on the back of the iPad
20:26SPEAKERand it connects to those and those provide power and data.
20:29SPEAKER- So I'll just mention, I have the, I believe 2017 iPad Pro.
20:35SPEAKER- Like an A12 or A10 probably, A9?
20:39SPEAKER- A10, yeah, A10, 11, 12, somewhere around there.
20:42SPEAKERIt was the last, it was the last iPad Pro
20:44SPEAKERwith the physical home button on it.
20:45SPEAKER- Yeah, and you have the three connectors on the side
20:47SPEAKERfor that one.
20:48SPEAKER- I do have the little three little dots there as well.
20:51SPEAKER- It's the same thing.
20:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:53SPEAKER- You have an audio jack on yours, that's fancy.
20:55SPEAKER- Mine still has a headphone jack.
20:56SPEAKER- Wow, so, okay, so from an SOC perspective,
21:00SPEAKERthe difference is that the M chips have eight cores,
21:03SPEAKERfour big, four little, I think they have more GPU cores
21:08SPEAKERthan the A cores.
21:09SPEAKERThe A cores, A series cores have six CPU cores
21:12SPEAKERinstead of eight and they're slower and less capable.
21:15SPEAKERSo like, when you look at benchmarks,
21:16SPEAKERit's a pretty significant jump,
21:18SPEAKERespecially when you get to multi-threaded stuff.
21:20SPEAKERThere's dual channel memory on the M chips
21:23SPEAKERversus single channel on the A chips.
21:25SPEAKERSo it's like half memory bandwidth, stuff like that.
21:28SPEAKER- A is on a bigger process node.
21:30SPEAKER- They are on the same process
21:31SPEAKERif you get the same generation now,
21:33SPEAKERbut I think they're both five nanometer now,
21:34SPEAKERbut looking at Geekbench scores and stuff like that,
21:39SPEAKERit was, I mean, I don't think you would notice,
21:43SPEAKERbut, and realistically, the choice I was making
21:45SPEAKERwasn't between the Pro and the iPad.
21:47SPEAKERiPad was between the Pro and the Air probably, but anyway.
21:52SPEAKERSo the other, the difference from a user perspective though,
21:57SPEAKERis that there's three kinds of multitasking on the Pros.
22:02SPEAKERThere's the old side-by-side stuff
22:03SPEAKERthat's been on the iPad forever,
22:04SPEAKERwhere you can like open two windows
22:06SPEAKERand kind of change the ratio of screen allotted to each one.
22:10SPEAKERThere's this thing called swipe, swipe away,
22:15SPEAKERscreen slide, sorry, slide over.
22:18SPEAKER- Sure.
22:18SPEAKER- Where like you can put like just the edge of the window on
22:23SPEAKERand go back to the desktop and open something else
22:25SPEAKERand then switch back and forth between them easily.
22:27SPEAKER- That's one, assuming that I'm thinking
22:29SPEAKERabout the same feature you are,
22:30SPEAKERthat's one that I find myself fumbling into on my Pro.
22:33SPEAKER- Yeah, often you hit the wrong button
22:35SPEAKERand that's where you end up.
22:36SPEAKER- And then like, I've never felt more like,
22:39SPEAKERI don't want to say like my parents,
22:41SPEAKERbut just like, let's say the older generation
22:43SPEAKERthat struggles with new technology,
22:44SPEAKERthen I have stumbling into some of the newer
22:47SPEAKERiPad multitasking features of just like,
22:50SPEAKERwell, why did this window just get slid over
22:52SPEAKERto the one third of the screen instead of the whole screen?
22:55SPEAKERHow do I dismiss this?
22:56SPEAKERHow do I make it big again?
22:57SPEAKERWhat do I do?
22:58SPEAKERHow do I start flailing around?
23:00SPEAKER- Well, and then the third one on the Pros is stage manager.
23:04SPEAKER- Okay, and that's new, right?
23:05SPEAKER- That's new, newish, I think it started with the M's.
23:10SPEAKER- Oh, maybe it's older on the iPads.
23:13SPEAKERSo I believe that just got rolled into Mac OS
23:15SPEAKERin the last update last fall.
23:17SPEAKER- That would make sense.
23:17SPEAKERIt basically replaces their multi desktop
23:20SPEAKERwindow manager thing.
23:23SPEAKERSo you can have windows on top of each other on the iPad now.
23:26SPEAKERYou can have like multiple windows open.
23:27SPEAKERYou can have a dock, you can have multiple sets of windows.
23:31SPEAKERYou can have like last time when I was doing show notes,
23:34SPEAKERI had Firefox and the notes open in Google docs.
23:39SPEAKERAnd then I also had a procreate window
23:41SPEAKERand a settings window open on a different selection
23:46SPEAKERof windows and you can switch back and forth between them.
23:48SPEAKERIt's really easy and really fast.
23:50SPEAKERAnd it lets me like, it is janky in that it is
23:57SPEAKERisn't as good as like using a real window manager
24:01SPEAKERwith a mouse and keyboard on a real computer.
24:04SPEAKERBut it's, I would describe it as pretty good
24:07SPEAKERfor like tablet type use.
24:10SPEAKERLike I was pretty pleased.
24:11SPEAKERWhen I figured out how to work it, I was pretty pleased.
24:13SPEAKERThey don't explain it at all.
24:14SPEAKERYou have to, like I had to go read something
24:16SPEAKERlike a Mac world article or something
24:21SPEAKERto figure out what the fuck was going on there.
24:23SPEAKER'Cause it was a little bit confusing.
24:26SPEAKER- That sounds like a level of window management flexibility
24:29SPEAKERthat is just approaching a traditional desktop OS.
24:31SPEAKERLike that seems like the lines have never been blurrier.
24:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it still has some weird limits.
24:36SPEAKERLike it doesn't, you don't have like full resolution control
24:39SPEAKERon the windows.
24:40SPEAKERIt still kind of snaps to like iPad-y or iOS-y,
24:44SPEAKERwhatever resolutions for the apps.
24:46SPEAKER- Okay.
24:47SPEAKER- But it's not like there's only four of them.
24:49SPEAKERThere's a whole bunch.
24:50SPEAKERLike you wouldn't notice if you are looking for that.
24:52SPEAKER- I think it was the part where you said
24:53SPEAKERyou can have windows on top of windows
24:55SPEAKERthat it was like, oh,
24:56SPEAKERthis kind of is just the traditional desktop metaphor now.
24:59SPEAKER- Well, and then the other thing that's nice
25:01SPEAKERis they actually let you turn that on and off.
25:02SPEAKERSo it's in the control center.
25:04SPEAKERThat stage manager feature is in the control center
25:06SPEAKERand you can turn it off if you want.
25:07SPEAKERYou can also turn off showing the dock when you're in that.
25:11SPEAKERSo like the dock gives you a good way
25:12SPEAKERto switch between different views
25:14SPEAKERand different applications that are open at any given time.
25:17SPEAKERBut it's pretty, like it's a pretty powerful thing
25:22SPEAKERfor the iPad.
25:23SPEAKERIt's worth mentioning, I haven't had a new iPad
25:25SPEAKERin a really long time.
25:26SPEAKERThe last iPad I bought was I think an iPad Air 2,
25:28SPEAKERwhich was in 2014 or 2015 probably.
25:31SPEAKER- Weird.
25:32SPEAKERRight around the time that you stopped having
25:33SPEAKERto professionally deal with iPads all the time.
25:35SPEAKER- It's what a weird coincidence.
25:37SPEAKERBut it turned out like I missed having,
25:40SPEAKERlike I read comics and I miss reading comics.
25:44SPEAKERI like iPad is an amazing device to read comics,
25:46SPEAKERespecially with like the all you can eat $30 a year
25:49SPEAKERsubscriptions to Marvel and DC and all that kind of stuff.
25:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I know I've said it before,
25:54SPEAKERbut the iPad for me is 99% just a consumption device.
25:58SPEAKERLike it's just a lighter thing without a keyboard.
26:01SPEAKERIt's just a lighter version of laptop
26:02SPEAKERwith no keyboard that I can just read Twitter
26:04SPEAKERand news on websites and like watch YouTube videos.
26:11SPEAKER- So I bought the 256 gig model.
26:14SPEAKERI bought the pencil and I bought the magic keyboard,
26:16SPEAKERwhich all in was like basically the same price
26:18SPEAKERas a good ass MacBook, like the cheap MacBook
26:22SPEAKERor the good MacBook Air or the cheap MacBook Pro.
26:24SPEAKER- That sounds great. - $1,300.
26:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's about where the Air starts
26:28SPEAKERor something like that.
26:29SPEAKER- The Air starts at around a grand or 1100 bucks usually.
26:32SPEAKER- Oh wow, is it that cheap, wow.
26:34SPEAKER- But they do the normal thing that they do
26:36SPEAKER'cause so looking at it, 128 gig model is not enough, right?
26:41SPEAKERLike you need more space.
26:43SPEAKER'Cause I did wanna be able to like load some movies on it
26:45SPEAKERwhen I was on the airplane and stuff like that.
26:48SPEAKERSo it weighs about a pound without the keyboard.
26:51SPEAKERIt weighs more with the keyboard,
26:52SPEAKERbut when I have the keyboard on and I kind of don't care
26:54SPEAKER'cause it's sitting on something, right?
26:55SPEAKERI'm not carrying it, I'm not holding it.
26:58SPEAKERThe battery life is my normal use is that I use it
27:02SPEAKERfor 30 minutes or an hour before bed
27:04SPEAKERor like in the evening sitting on the couch.
27:06SPEAKERAnd I usually charge it at most twice a week,
27:09SPEAKERmaybe usually once a week.
27:11SPEAKER- Wow, that's pretty good.
27:12SPEAKER- It plugs into the PD fast charge port
27:15SPEAKERon my front of my computer.
27:16SPEAKERThat's where I charge it and it charges like an hour or two
27:19SPEAKERfrom nothing to full.
27:21SPEAKER- Do you trust the high speed PD charging?
27:25SPEAKERI've seen some FUD kind of floating around
27:27SPEAKERthat it's like maybe not great for battery longevity,
27:30SPEAKERspecifically for heat reasons, I don't know.
27:32SPEAKER- I feel like Apple's gotten to the point now
27:35SPEAKERwhere like they slow down,
27:37SPEAKERlike your AirPods slow down when you get to 80% now.
27:41SPEAKERSo I assume that they're doing what they can
27:44SPEAKERto maximize the charge cycles.
27:45SPEAKER- Yeah, this MacBook, this M1 MacBook Pro
27:48SPEAKERoccasionally like frequently, not all the time,
27:50SPEAKERbut frequently we'll stop charging at 80% and just sit.
27:53SPEAKER- Yeah, the AirPods just stopped charging at 80% often
27:56SPEAKER'cause they know that I'm gonna plug them back in.
27:58SPEAKER- Yeah, that's man, like just the charging logic
28:01SPEAKERthat they have gotten into lately
28:03SPEAKERis kind of a whole topic unto itself.
28:05SPEAKERLike the green charging window stuff
28:08SPEAKERthat I don't think we've really talked about
28:09SPEAKERsince they rolled it out, I assume you've seen that.
28:11SPEAKER- I haven't seen that.
28:12SPEAKER- But like the, it was a big hubbub
28:14SPEAKERbecause it was a whole bunch of people
28:15SPEAKERjust going like, you're not gonna take away
28:18SPEAKERmy charging freedom, like fuck you big brother Apple.
28:23SPEAKERThe idea is essentially the device,
28:24SPEAKERI don't know where it's pulling the data from,
28:26SPEAKERbut it's able to know when the power on the grid
28:29SPEAKERis being generated by green sources.
28:31SPEAKERAnd it'll essentially will only,
28:33SPEAKERit'll limit itself to only charging
28:34SPEAKERwhen it knows that it's pulling green energy
28:36SPEAKERor renewable energy.
28:38SPEAKERAnd of course a lot of people got mad about that, but.
28:41SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I have that turned on.
28:42SPEAKERI didn't know that, I hadn't seen that at all.
28:44SPEAKER- That was the big headline was,
28:45SPEAKERhey, they're shipping this iOS update with that enabled.
28:48SPEAKER- I mean, it makes sense.
28:49SPEAKERIt's like, I charged my car from midnight until 3 p.m.
28:52SPEAKERbecause it's cheaper for me.
28:53SPEAKERIt's like, there's a financial incentive to do that.
28:55SPEAKER- Yeah, actually, the Xbox did the same thing
28:58SPEAKERlike two months ago.
28:58SPEAKERThey also pulled out that feature
29:00SPEAKERthat causes it to only wake up and pull updates
29:03SPEAKERin those kinds of windows.
29:04SPEAKERAnd of course there's Ted Cruz right on cue going,
29:07SPEAKERthey're trying to take your Xbox from you.
29:09SPEAKER- I mean, it makes sense.
29:10SPEAKERIt makes like, I like spending less for electricity.
29:13SPEAKERIt turns out, who knew?
29:15SPEAKERAnyway, it does use a fair amount of battery
29:20SPEAKERwhen it's just idle.
29:21SPEAKERLike if I don't use it for a few days,
29:22SPEAKERI'll come back and it'll be down 15% or 10%, whatever.
29:25SPEAKERI don't know.
29:26SPEAKERI probably have stuff running in the background.
29:28SPEAKERIf I leave the fancy multitasking
29:31SPEAKERon the stage manager stuff on, it tends to eat more.
29:35SPEAKER- Even asleep?
29:37SPEAKER- It's hard to say, but I feel like that impacts battery life
29:43SPEAKER- The camera's real nice.
29:46SPEAKERIt has the fancy wide angle camera.
29:50SPEAKERSo when you're FaceTiming someone,
29:52SPEAKERyou can walk around in like 160 degree field of view
29:56SPEAKERin front of it and it'll just track you.
29:58SPEAKERSo I've set it up on the stand on the dining room table
30:01SPEAKERwhile we're eating breakfast
30:02SPEAKERand FaceTime my parents sometimes.
30:04SPEAKER- Okay.
30:05SPEAKER- It switches back and forth between my daughter and I
30:07SPEAKERare sitting next to each other talking.
30:08SPEAKER- Wow.
30:09SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:10SPEAKER- When you're talking?
30:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:12SPEAKER- That's capable of telling.
30:13SPEAKERI wonder if it's doing that on sound.
30:14SPEAKER- I think it's kind of like,
30:15SPEAKERwe're right on the edges of the thing.
30:17SPEAKERSo it picks up, I think it's picking up,
30:20SPEAKERI think it's picking up whose faces and marks.
30:22SPEAKERI usually lean in a little bit.
30:23SPEAKER- Oh, I see.
30:23SPEAKERIt's not a who's talking.
30:25SPEAKER- No, it doesn't.
30:26SPEAKERIf we're close enough,
30:27SPEAKERit does a really good job framing us both.
30:29SPEAKER- Okay.
30:30SPEAKER- If we're like right on the edges,
30:31SPEAKERit switches to whichever edge it thinks is most relevant.
30:34SPEAKER- I thought you meant it was actively tracking
30:36SPEAKERwho's talking and focusing them
30:37SPEAKERbecause that would be kind of next level.
30:39SPEAKERI don't know if they probably would do
30:40SPEAKERsome kind of facial tracking to-
30:42SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, they should be able to do that
30:43SPEAKER'cause they can try and see whether your lips are flapping.
30:45SPEAKER- Right.
30:47SPEAKER- The rear camera has the LIDAR scanner,
30:50SPEAKERwhich is really neat.
30:51SPEAKERYou can use it,
30:52SPEAKERlike I've used it with Scandi to scan rooms,
30:54SPEAKERwhich is like super fun.
30:56SPEAKERI did a couple of head scans,
30:58SPEAKERbut I don't have a model who will sit still enough
31:00SPEAKERto actually scan their head,
31:04SPEAKERbut it generates the big point cloud
31:06SPEAKERand then you can export that to become an FBX or whatever.
31:11SPEAKERSo the keyboard, the magic keyboard's interesting.
31:13SPEAKERLike I was, I literally,
31:16SPEAKERI talked to you about this before I bought it,
31:17SPEAKERbut I was like, I'm gonna buy this.
31:18SPEAKERI think I'm probably gonna send it back
31:19SPEAKERand buy a Logitech one after I use it for 12 days, right?
31:23SPEAKERIt's really good.
31:24SPEAKERLike it's super good.
31:29SPEAKERI don't want it stiff enough that you can set it on your,
31:31SPEAKERlike I can sit it on my lap when my legs crossed
31:33SPEAKERand type comfortably.
31:36SPEAKERThe key action feels nice.
31:38SPEAKERIt's got a good travel on the keys.
31:40SPEAKERThey're a little bit big and chiclety,
31:43SPEAKERbut like they generally feels pretty good.
31:45SPEAKERAnd it's got this, the hinge on it is this,
31:48SPEAKERlike it like folds out halfway up the thing.
31:52SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
31:53SPEAKER- So you get the right angle when it's sitting on your lap
31:56SPEAKERor when it's sitting on a table or whatever.
31:57SPEAKERIt's most comfortable sitting on a table.
31:59SPEAKERIf you're sitting on your lap, it's fine.
32:01SPEAKERI used it on the airplane a few weeks ago.
32:02SPEAKERIt was no problem,
32:04SPEAKERwhich is unusual for me 'cause I'm pretty wide.
32:06SPEAKERLike I have wide shoulders.
32:08SPEAKERSo being able to use a laptop on the airplane
32:10SPEAKERis not always the case.
32:14SPEAKERAnd I was able to watch,
32:15SPEAKERlike it also is a really lovely stand
32:17SPEAKERfor if you want to watch a movie or something
32:19SPEAKERand just don't want to have to hold the iPad
32:20SPEAKERwhile you're doing that.
32:21SPEAKER- I don't know if we can, maybe people can Google photos.
32:23SPEAKERI don't know if we can explain exactly
32:25SPEAKERwhat is going on there verbally, but I was going to ask.
32:28SPEAKERSo it's kind of a stand that extends up from the keyboard
32:32SPEAKERand sort of elevates the iPad where it's,
32:34SPEAKERthe base of the iPad is not connected
32:36SPEAKERto the keyboard anymore.
32:37SPEAKER- Yeah, so it has a hinge on one side.
32:40SPEAKERThe iPad magnets onto that back piece.
32:42SPEAKERLike it just snaps on like the MagSafe connector.
32:45SPEAKERAnd you, about a third of the way up the back of the iPad,
32:51SPEAKERthere's another hinge that folds out.
32:53SPEAKERAnd basically the back hinge points straight up
32:57SPEAKERand then that hinge pivots back a little bit.
32:59SPEAKERSo you get like a nice,
33:00SPEAKERyou get the right angle basically for it.
33:02SPEAKERBut then the iPad overlaps the top of the keyboard
33:04SPEAKERjust a little bit, the bottom of it does.
33:06SPEAKER- It's kind of like the iPad is sort of floating
33:08SPEAKERabove the keyboard.
33:09SPEAKERIs there any sort of tension in that hinge
33:11SPEAKERwhere you can adjust the angle or is that angle fixed?
33:13SPEAKER- You can adjust it a little bit.
33:15SPEAKERIt's not like you can't adjust the,
33:18SPEAKERthe main hinge you can't adjust too much.
33:21SPEAKERThe one that tilts up and down, you can adjust a little bit.
33:24SPEAKERAnd then there's a USB-C on that hinge as well
33:28SPEAKERthat you can plug into.
33:29SPEAKERSo if you want to use it like a weird janky dock,
33:32SPEAKERyou totally can and just leave your power plugged into that
33:34SPEAKERwhen you're sitting at your desk or whatever.
33:35SPEAKER- Is that separate from the USB-C on the iPad itself?
33:38SPEAKERThere are two now essentially?
33:39SPEAKER- Then you have two USB-Cs is my understanding.
33:41SPEAKERI haven't actually tried that.
33:42SPEAKER- Okay, that's cool.
33:44SPEAKER- The weird thing, we can talk about USB-C in a minute
33:48SPEAKER'cause it's a little bit screwy.
33:54SPEAKERThe weird thing about using iOS with a physical keyboard,
33:57SPEAKERwhich I haven't done in a really long time,
33:59SPEAKERis that it turns out there's a lot of stuff
34:02SPEAKERthat lives between the onscreen keyboard
34:05SPEAKERand the content window on phones and iPads these days.
34:09SPEAKERLike your password manager stuff
34:10SPEAKERall shows up in that gap when you're in a password field.
34:14SPEAKERThat lives in a little pop-up.
34:17SPEAKERLike there's a keyboard pop-up.
34:18SPEAKERAnd if you're not in stage manager, it works great.
34:22SPEAKER'Cause it just gives you like a little bar
34:24SPEAKERthat kind of floats toward the bottom of the screen
34:27SPEAKERthat has like whatever the context sensitive stuff is.
34:30SPEAKERWhether it's the type of head prediction
34:32SPEAKERor the autocorrect, like the three autocorrect words
34:36SPEAKERit often gives you or the password manager prompts.
34:39SPEAKERThat stuff is a little bit there.
34:40SPEAKERIf you're in stage manager, you don't get password prompts.
34:43SPEAKERSo you have to actually open up your password manager window
34:45SPEAKERand copy and paste from there.
34:46SPEAKERAnd it kind of sucks.
34:47SPEAKERLike it's not a great solution for that.
34:49SPEAKER- Seems like an odd limitation, but.
34:52SPEAKER- Honestly, it seems like the kind of thing
34:53SPEAKERthat somebody just didn't, hasn't thought of yet.
34:55SPEAKERYeah, it still has that pop-up there.
34:58SPEAKERStill has the little floaty thing, but when you hit it,
35:00SPEAKERit pops up the full screen keyboard instead of just the,
35:03SPEAKERjust the partial.
35:05SPEAKERThey don't give you control over the keyboard backlight,
35:07SPEAKERwhich I don't get.
35:08SPEAKER- Huh, I'm not so sure about that.
35:11SPEAKER- It turns out it's fine.
35:12SPEAKER'Cause it's a pretty, so you can, when it's on,
35:15SPEAKERyou can dim and brighten it, but when it's not on,
35:18SPEAKERyou can't turn it on and off manually.
35:19SPEAKERIt only turns on and off when it's based
35:21SPEAKERon the darkness of the room.
35:22SPEAKER- That may be the case on the MacBook Pros now, actually.
35:25SPEAKERThey definitely took away the physical keys
35:28SPEAKERfor adjusting the brightness of the keyboard backlight.
35:30SPEAKERYou have to do it through system settings.
35:31SPEAKER- You can't do a function key anymore?
35:33SPEAKER- No.
35:34SPEAKER- You used to move like function F3 and F4, five, six.
35:36SPEAKER- No, those are not now part of the top row.
35:39SPEAKER- Oh, and they took away the touch bar,
35:41SPEAKERwhich is where that stuff lived before that, right?
35:43SPEAKER- Yes, although frankly, fine with me.
35:45SPEAKERDon't miss the touch bar.
35:47SPEAKER- I never had a touch bar MacBook.
35:49SPEAKERI feel like I missed out.
35:50SPEAKER- For a hot minute, for about the first year of the pandemic,
35:54SPEAKERI had a work laptop that had the touch bar.
35:57SPEAKERI can't remember, mine might've had
35:59SPEAKERat least the physical escape key.
36:01SPEAKERI can't remember.
36:01SPEAKER- You said you had the physical escape key.
36:03SPEAKER- I think that's right.
36:04SPEAKERI did not enjoy that touch bar though.
36:07SPEAKER- So the place the keyboard breaks down for me
36:09SPEAKERis the track pad is, it's inconsistent.
36:14SPEAKERAnd I think it's based on the app,
36:16SPEAKERthe choices the app developers make,
36:18SPEAKERnot necessarily the hardware.
36:19SPEAKERLike the hardware is fine, it works.
36:21SPEAKERLike you get, it responds just like you would expect
36:23SPEAKERfrom a glass track pad on your MacBook.
36:25SPEAKER- Does it feel essentially like
36:26SPEAKERthat kind of standard magic?
36:28SPEAKER- It's fast and cool when you click it.
36:30SPEAKERAnd I think it actually is a physical clicker.
36:32SPEAKERIt doesn't have the taptic stuff underneath it,
36:33SPEAKERbut other than that, it feels good.
36:37SPEAKERYou can do multi-touch with it.
36:38SPEAKERIt's inconsistent in apps, how it works.
36:41SPEAKERSo for example, if you try to click and drag
36:46SPEAKERto select text in Google docs,
36:49SPEAKERwhich doesn't support, which,
36:51SPEAKERso if you try to click and select text
36:53SPEAKERand say notes, Apple notes, works fine.
36:55SPEAKERIf you click and try to select text in Google docs,
36:59SPEAKERit treats it like a single finger press,
37:02SPEAKERwhich in Google docs does not do a tap, a select.
37:05SPEAKERIt like grabs whatever the word that it's under
37:07SPEAKERand moves it.
37:10SPEAKERThe multi-touch stuff is supported kind of inconsistently
37:13SPEAKERin the app.
37:13SPEAKERSometimes it, generally,
37:15SPEAKERif it doesn't work the way you expect it to,
37:16SPEAKERit's because it thinks you're doing multi-tap on the screen.
37:20SPEAKERSo you have to like, in your head,
37:23SPEAKERknow that Google docs is a multi-tap,
37:25SPEAKERis a screen app,
37:27SPEAKERand Apple stuff is all, you know,
37:31SPEAKERknows that it's a touch pad and treats it accordingly.
37:35SPEAKERI often just touch the screen instead of the track pad.
37:38SPEAKERAnd because of the way the camber on the screen works,
37:41SPEAKERit's fine.
37:43SPEAKERLike, I think that,
37:45SPEAKERso having used it for a while,
37:47SPEAKERI think if this keyboard didn't have the track pad,
37:51SPEAKERit would be fine.
37:52SPEAKERI would actually be fine with it.
37:54SPEAKERI would pay a hundred bucks less and not have
37:55SPEAKERthe track pad happily.
37:56SPEAKER- Interesting.
37:57SPEAKER- It still needs that space on there so that there's,
38:00SPEAKERso it balances the cantilever on the screen, on the iPad.
38:06SPEAKERAnd also, I don't think realistically,
38:08SPEAKERthat they can sell an expensive-ass keyboard attachment
38:11SPEAKERfor this thing that doesn't have a track pad on it
38:13SPEAKERwithout people getting pissed off.
38:14SPEAKER- Do you think that inconsistency with the kind of use
38:17SPEAKERof the track pad and stuff,
38:18SPEAKERdo you think is that's like,
38:20SPEAKERsome company is just not giving this the proper UX attention
38:23SPEAKERbecause this is still kind of an emerging market segment
38:25SPEAKERor style of workflow?
38:26SPEAKEROr do you think it's more like people,
38:28SPEAKERlike companies like Google are paying attention,
38:31SPEAKERthey just have different ideas
38:32SPEAKERabout how this type of thing should work?
38:36SPEAKER- It almost feels to me like it's the third option,
38:38SPEAKERwhich is that like there's multiple APIs
38:41SPEAKERfor interfacing with touch.
38:42SPEAKERAnd then some people are using old ones
38:44SPEAKERand some people are using new ones.
38:46SPEAKER- That's the worst.
38:47SPEAKEREspecially like, I know that feeling well,
38:48SPEAKERif you use like a lot of, for example,
38:50SPEAKERlike GUI application, open source GUI stuff,
38:53SPEAKERand Windows, you're running into like 800 different
38:56SPEAKERwindow drawing libraries and stuff like that.
39:00SPEAKER- Love an ancient GTK, that's my favorite.
39:02SPEAKER- Right, it's like, oh, copy paste doesn't work
39:04SPEAKERin this the way you would expect it to.
39:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it is a little bit weird.
39:10SPEAKERFirefox is generally okay,
39:12SPEAKERbut sometimes it just gets stuck in finger mode
39:14SPEAKERand I don't know why that happens.
39:16SPEAKERSo this is essentially this second generation
39:22SPEAKERthat they've given you a real track pad,
39:24SPEAKERI think on the magic keyboard.
39:26SPEAKERSo it could just be that it's like,
39:28SPEAKERI think this is the stuff that the Mac people
39:30SPEAKERare complaining about, frankly.
39:31SPEAKER- Real quick before we move on from the keyboard,
39:33SPEAKERI know you said it sits just fine in your lap.
39:35SPEAKERI'm kind of curious how that works.
39:37SPEAKERLike, is it just a nice broad, flat surface on the bottom?
39:40SPEAKERLike I find even with my 14 inch,
39:42SPEAKERokay, you're holding it up right now.
39:45SPEAKEREven with my 14 inch MacBook Pro,
39:47SPEAKERI still like having a lap desk under it.
39:49SPEAKER'Cause it's just maybe I spread too much.
39:52SPEAKER- You might sprawl.
39:54SPEAKER- It doesn't sit on my lap super well
39:56SPEAKERwith the width of the thing.
39:58SPEAKERI kind of need a broader surface underneath it.
40:00SPEAKER- I had it kind of candid on one leg
40:03SPEAKERwith like the quarter balanced on my cross leg last night.
40:06SPEAKERAnd it's fine.
40:07SPEAKER- Okay, interesting.
40:08SPEAKER- So my lap for this is usually a recliner or a sofa.
40:13SPEAKERSo like I'll sit on the sofa with my legs propped up.
40:15SPEAKERAnd then my legs are maybe a little more stable.
40:18SPEAKERMy legs are definitely not leaning down.
40:20SPEAKER- Okay.
40:21SPEAKER- My legs are level or tilted up.
40:22SPEAKER- Sure, okay, yeah, kind of leaning down,
40:24SPEAKERlike on a couch is exactly where I'm at.
40:26SPEAKER- Yeah, like if I was sitting on the couch,
40:29SPEAKERI probably wouldn't, it's probably not as good.
40:31SPEAKERI didn't use it at the airport gate
40:34SPEAKERsitting in the waiting for the plane though.
40:35SPEAKERSo, and that was fine.
40:40SPEAKERYou wanna talk about the pencil?
40:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I think the, just I'm laughing
40:44SPEAKERat the first line of these notes under pencil.
40:48SPEAKERBut my handwriting isn't good enough
40:49SPEAKERto take notes with the pencil.
40:50SPEAKER- Yes.
40:51SPEAKER- It's harsh, but fair.
40:52SPEAKER- I would probably be in the same place.
40:55SPEAKER- Look, I never once got complimented
40:59SPEAKERon my handwriting my entire life.
41:01SPEAKERNobody's ever been like, man, you did,
41:02SPEAKERhey, that is completely legible
41:05SPEAKERand something that a normal human would create as, yeah.
41:08SPEAKER- It's just 'cause you've got so much to say,
41:10SPEAKERyou don't have time to make it pretty.
41:12SPEAKERI'm reaching here.
41:13SPEAKER- Look, my mom used to think
41:16SPEAKERthat I thought I should go to medical school
41:19SPEAKERbecause the guidance counselor was like,
41:21SPEAKERyour handwriting's so bad.
41:22SPEAKERThe only thing you can do is be a doctor.
41:24SPEAKER- That is a prerequisite, yes.
41:25SPEAKER- Yeah, so I haven't tried good notes.
41:29SPEAKERSo, okay, so for writing,
41:34SPEAKERI gave up on handwriting with the pencil almost immediately.
41:37SPEAKERIt's not, that's not, it's not gonna work for me.
41:39SPEAKERIt's not gonna be my jam.
41:41SPEAKERIt will do handwriting recognition,
41:43SPEAKERincluding like cursive and the weird,
41:45SPEAKERlike part cursive, part block text that we all use now.
41:48SPEAKER- Sure.
41:50SPEAKER- And I was shocked at how well it did
41:52SPEAKEReven with my bad handwriting for that.
41:54SPEAKERStill way, way, way, way, way faster to type,
41:58SPEAKERat least for me.
41:59SPEAKER- Like literally any amount of inaccuracy
42:01SPEAKERis probably too much.
42:02SPEAKERLike if you're having to correct any errors,
42:05SPEAKERit's probably too slow to be better than typing.
42:08SPEAKER- And I can type 120 words a minute
42:10SPEAKERand I can write it about 30.
42:12SPEAKER- Sure, the other thing is that the dictation
42:17SPEAKERis ridiculously good.
42:18SPEAKERI don't know if you've used that lately,
42:19SPEAKERbut on the devices with the neural chip,
42:23SPEAKERit is like, it is offensive how reliable it is.
42:28SPEAKERIt even gets like weird lingo words
42:30SPEAKERand like brands and stuff like that,
42:31SPEAKERthat normally it would choke on.
42:33SPEAKER- Okay.
42:35SPEAKER- It didn't get geet 'cause I think it is probably too new
42:38SPEAKERfor it to understand what a yeeting is.
42:40SPEAKER- Good getting Merriam-Webster on the phone,
42:42SPEAKERthat's gotta go in any year now.
42:44SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
42:45SPEAKER- Or Oxford.
42:46SPEAKER- But so I guess my point is I would,
42:49SPEAKERif I was in a situation where handwriting,
42:51SPEAKERwhere typing isn't available,
42:52SPEAKERand I had a lot of stuff that I had to get in quickly,
42:54SPEAKERI would probably just talk it to it at this point
42:56SPEAKERrather than try to hand write or screen type.
42:59SPEAKER- Sure, unless you're at the airport gate and then.
43:02SPEAKER- No, then I'm yelling at him, like fuck you Siri,
43:04SPEAKERgive me the, ah.
43:05SPEAKERAnyway, sorry for the yelling and the cursing, children.
43:09SPEAKER- The pencil, like the lift detection
43:12SPEAKERand the pickup detection and all that,
43:14SPEAKERit detects really far from the screen.
43:15SPEAKERIt's like a half an inch from the screen probably.
43:20SPEAKER- To take actual input, like you kind of write
43:22SPEAKERwithout contacting the screen
43:23SPEAKERor is it more just moving a cursor at that distance?
43:26SPEAKER- Well, so it gives you, it lets you,
43:28SPEAKERit gives you really, it's how the precise control
43:30SPEAKERover the cursor works with the separation
43:33SPEAKERfrom the screen and the digitizer.
43:38SPEAKERSo, you know, like the parallax between the top of the screen
43:41SPEAKERand the screen under the glass and the top of the glass
43:45SPEAKERis one of the things that makes it hard to know
43:47SPEAKERprecisely where your line is gonna go
43:49SPEAKERwhen you're drawing and stuff like that.
43:51SPEAKERAnd because it shows you exactly where that's gonna be
43:54SPEAKERas you're approaching, your brain just makes it work.
43:57SPEAKERLike your brain fixes whatever parallax
44:00SPEAKERand adjusts for it immediately.
44:01SPEAKERIt is super duper good.
44:03SPEAKER- That's cool.
44:04SPEAKERWow, it's the little things that you don't think about.
44:08SPEAKER- It is literally a thing that I never
44:10SPEAKERwould have considered, but it completely solves the problem
44:14SPEAKERwith every not powered stylus I've used in the past.
44:19SPEAKER- Can I ask real quick, since we're talking about
44:22SPEAKERtouching the pencil to the iPad right now,
44:24SPEAKERwhat is the tip of the pencil made out of
44:26SPEAKERand how does that feel?
44:27SPEAKERLike just the thought of, I'm sure it's some space age
44:29SPEAKERfrictionless material or something,
44:31SPEAKERbut the thought of dragging a pointing device
44:34SPEAKERaround or across a piece of glass all the time
44:37SPEAKERjust kind of makes me cringe.
44:38SPEAKER- So it's like a hard plasticy stuff.
44:41SPEAKERIt's not like hard, hard, it's not like Delrin hard.
44:44SPEAKERIt's not like a really hard plastic,
44:45SPEAKERbut it's definitely a firmer plastic.
44:48SPEAKERIt feels okay just on the glass.
44:51SPEAKERIt tends to leave, so it's not leaving marks,
44:55SPEAKERbut what it is doing is highlighting the finger grease
44:57SPEAKERthat's on your screens all the time
44:59SPEAKER'cause it makes stripes through the finger grease
45:01SPEAKERwhen you're sketching.
45:02SPEAKER- Good.
45:03SPEAKER- I solved this problem by spending $10 on a paper surface
45:07SPEAKERscreen protector that makes it feel like just writing
45:12SPEAKERon paper.
45:13SPEAKER- Oh, wow, what does that do to the look of the screen?
45:17SPEAKERI mean, or is that?
45:18SPEAKER- It's a little more matte.
45:19SPEAKER- Giving it, yeah.
45:20SPEAKER- Yeah, and like you can hear,
45:23SPEAKERis that coming, I don't think that's coming through.
45:25SPEAKER- I hear it, I don't know if it'll,
45:26SPEAKERhopefully it'll be on the record.
45:27SPEAKERYeah, that kind of sounds like paper.
45:29SPEAKER- It sounds like, more importantly, it feels like paper.
45:32SPEAKERSo it gives you the kind of drag that you get
45:34SPEAKERwhen you're sketching on paper.
45:36SPEAKERAnd it doesn't feel slidey like the glass on the nub did.
45:42SPEAKERFor me, I've been okay.
45:44SPEAKERLike the the matte-ness of the surface is okay with me.
45:50SPEAKERLike it's not, it's weird, but not terrible.
45:55SPEAKER- That's cool.
45:56SPEAKERI mean, that's another one of those they thought
45:59SPEAKERof everything kind of things of like,
46:00SPEAKERjust like with the cursor tracking
46:03SPEAKERbetween the glass and the LCD.
46:06SPEAKEROr is it OLED now?
46:07SPEAKER- I think so, yeah.
46:09SPEAKER- Stuff like that, just the little details like that though.
46:11SPEAKERIt's like, I never would have thought of that stuff,
46:12SPEAKERbut they did.
46:13SPEAKER- Well, to be clear, the screen protector
46:15SPEAKERwas a third-party thing, I think.
46:15SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but still,
46:16SPEAKERjust the fact that that's even available is cool.
46:20SPEAKER- The bummer of the screen protector
46:22SPEAKERis that I feel like the paper,
46:23SPEAKERit protects from scratches pretty well,
46:25SPEAKERbut it is pretty thin and papery.
46:27SPEAKERLike, I don't think it would actually absorb
46:29SPEAKERa drop impact or whatever.
46:31SPEAKERSo, you know, still have to be careful.
46:33SPEAKERThe iPad glass is thick enough that I'm less worried
46:35SPEAKERabout cracking an iPad screen than I am, say,
46:36SPEAKERa phone or a watch or something like that.
46:38SPEAKER- Sure.
46:40SPEAKER- Tapping the side of the pencil, like,
46:42SPEAKERlets you change modes.
46:43SPEAKERSo like in Procreate, I have it set to change
46:47SPEAKERbetween whatever brush I'm currently using and the eraser.
46:52SPEAKERIt charges, you kind of magnet it onto the side of the iPad,
46:56SPEAKERand it just holds there and charges
46:58SPEAKERin about like 10 minutes, I think,
47:00SPEAKER15 minutes to get from zero to 100.
47:02SPEAKER- That's not so bad.
47:03SPEAKER- In like a minute, you have like 20 minutes of use
47:05SPEAKERor something like that.
47:06SPEAKER- Oh, great, okay, I was gonna ask if Better Life
47:07SPEAKERhad ever been an issue, but if you can use it
47:10SPEAKERwith a moment, like one minute's notice,
47:11SPEAKERregardless, that's fine.
47:13SPEAKER- Yeah, like often my daughter will say,
47:14SPEAKER"Hey, can I use your iPad and draw?"
47:16SPEAKERAnd I'll say, "Yeah," and then I realize the pencil's dead,
47:18SPEAKERand I'll say, "Well, give me five minutes,"
47:19SPEAKERand then she's good for the entire session.
47:21SPEAKER- Sure, you're talking about touching on it.
47:23SPEAKERDoes it have any physical buttons,
47:24SPEAKERor is that all sort of capacitive,
47:26SPEAKERjust like passive seamless touch?
47:28SPEAKER- It's completely sealed, except you can replace the tips,
47:33SPEAKERobviously, 'cause they wear down over time.
47:35SPEAKERSo there's no buttons, there's nothing on it.
47:37SPEAKERThere's a motion accelerometer in it that does the tapping,
47:40SPEAKERso you just kinda like, it's like idly tapping
47:43SPEAKERon the side of a pencil with two fingers.
47:45SPEAKERYou just boom, boom, and it switches back and forth.
47:48SPEAKERI think there's some accessibility options
47:50SPEAKERto let you do more things with that
47:52SPEAKERif you wanna do like a triple tap,
47:53SPEAKERbut two taps, it turns out, is enough for me.
47:57SPEAKERThe pressure sensitivity's really good.
47:59SPEAKERI'm obviously not an artist,
48:01SPEAKERbut I have used Cintiqs and stuff like that in the past,
48:03SPEAKERand it feels comparable to that.
48:05SPEAKERThe limitation on the 11-inch iPad
48:07SPEAKERis mainly screen size, I think,
48:08SPEAKER'cause 11 inches, it's basically like
48:11SPEAKERan eight and a half by 11 piece of paper.
48:14SPEAKERIt's a little small.
48:20SPEAKERIt's not small, the actual writing space isn't small,
48:23SPEAKERbut I want there to be more flush area
48:26SPEAKERoff the side of the screen that I can rest my hand on
48:28SPEAKERwhile I'm working on the edges of the paper.
48:31SPEAKERThat's kind of countered by being able to zoom in and out.
48:40SPEAKERAnd the pressure sensitivity is a little variable
48:43SPEAKERbased on the app you're using,
48:44SPEAKERlike some apps handle it differently.
48:46SPEAKERI tend to use Procreate and Adobe Fresco to draw mostly,
48:50SPEAKERboth of which are quite good.
48:54SPEAKERThere's a couple painting apps that I've messed around with.
48:57SPEAKERI tried GoodNotes a little bit,
48:59SPEAKERbut it doesn't have an export to Windows,
49:01SPEAKERso it wasn't really a viable note-taking solution for me.
49:07SPEAKERThere's no Windows version,
49:08SPEAKERso I can't access my notes easily
49:10SPEAKERin that I'm taking the iPad and Windows.
49:14SPEAKERI tried a ton of note-taking apps that are cross platform.
49:17SPEAKERI think we should do a whole episode on those at some point,
49:19SPEAKERbecause it's a neat space, and it's really complicated,
49:23SPEAKERand nothing is perfect.
49:26SPEAKERWe ended up using, I think I ended up using Notion,
49:29SPEAKERbut that's mostly because we're gonna use it at work,
49:31SPEAKERnot because of, I like Notion a lot.
49:35SPEAKERIt does not integrate particularly well
49:37SPEAKERwith the ability to draw on the iPad.
49:39SPEAKER- Yeah, we should do that once I get past this PC build
49:41SPEAKERand have a new workstation in here.
49:43SPEAKERI'm probably also gonna look for something along those lines.
49:46SPEAKER- Yeah, it turns out having a dedicated place
49:48SPEAKERthat's on your phone,
49:49SPEAKERhaving a bucket into which to put notes
49:51SPEAKERthat lives on your phone and your laptop
49:53SPEAKERand your computer is handy, it turns out.
49:56SPEAKER- Something that is just seamlessly across
49:57SPEAKEReverything I have and you can just refer to it
49:59SPEAKERwithout thinking, it seems extremely handy.
50:02SPEAKER- Yeah, and so we talked about multitasking already.
50:06SPEAKERI think nothing else to do there.
50:09SPEAKERThe other stuff I do is I read comics.
50:11SPEAKERI signed up for Marvel Unlimited when it was on sale
50:13SPEAKERat Christmas or Black Friday or something,
50:15SPEAKERand I've been reading 30 years of Marvel stuff
50:19SPEAKERthat I never looked at before.
50:21SPEAKERIt's friggin' awesome.
50:22SPEAKERLike, it's such a good way to read comics.
50:24SPEAKER- Forgive me, did you mention what size screen you got?
50:27SPEAKER- I got the 11 inch.
50:29SPEAKER- Oh, the smaller one.
50:30SPEAKER- The smaller one, yeah.
50:32SPEAKERI didn't, I was more, like, my thought process on that,
50:38SPEAKERI went to the store and actually held both of them
50:39SPEAKERbefore I made the choice.
50:41SPEAKERMy thought process on that is that the big one
50:43SPEAKERis too heavy, is heavier than I wanna hold comfortably,
50:46SPEAKERand this is a 90% using at home, 10% using out and about,
50:52SPEAKERand I wanted it to be best for that home
50:56SPEAKEReven though the 12.9 inch screen would maybe be better
50:59SPEAKERfor drawing and when I was out.
51:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I've held one of the 30 inch pros,
51:05SPEAKERbut just even seeing them in person, like,
51:07SPEAKERit seems like the extra real estate would be great
51:09SPEAKERwhen you need it, but kind of cumbersome when you don't.
51:11SPEAKER- It really seems like, hey,
51:14SPEAKERI wanna be able to draw on this thing,
51:16SPEAKERand everything else is secondary to that.
51:19SPEAKER- Like, you probably are using that professionally 99%
51:22SPEAKERof the time to need that space, right?
51:24SPEAKER- I would kind of assume so, yeah.
51:26SPEAKERI think it also has a better aspect ratio for film,
51:28SPEAKERbut I'm not sure about that.
51:29SPEAKER- Yes, yeah, I'll mention right now,
51:30SPEAKERI was gonna, we touched on this earlier
51:31SPEAKERwith potential sort of film industry applications.
51:34SPEAKERIf anybody uses tablets like this in kind of what I consider
51:38SPEAKERlike very hardcore creative fields like film production
51:43SPEAKERor fine art or you name it, architecture, I don't know.
51:46SPEAKERLike, I would love to hear if people who are listening
51:49SPEAKERwho work in those kinds of disciplines
51:51SPEAKERare moving to this style of hybrid
51:53SPEAKERkind of tablet detachable sort of thing.
51:56SPEAKER- The thing I've, my understanding is that people do use
51:58SPEAKERthese for cataloging, like when you're on a shoot
52:00SPEAKERand you have cards coming in with your footage on it,
52:03SPEAKERthis is one of the ways that people use to catalog,
52:07SPEAKERcatalog footage and index it and get it on the backups
52:11SPEAKERand all that before they cycle the cards
52:12SPEAKERback out to the shoot.
52:15SPEAKER- Sure.
52:16SPEAKER- And that's more on like not, that's not film scale,
52:19SPEAKERthat's, or even like prestige TV,
52:22SPEAKERthat's like really high-end YouTube
52:24SPEAKERor low-end like reality TV stuff is my understanding.
52:28SPEAKER- I even wonder like, are there applications
52:30SPEAKERfor like say mounting one of these two-way camera?
52:33SPEAKERLike can it, I'm curious about any sort of like
52:36SPEAKERslightly more esoteric or DIY uses of these things.
52:39SPEAKER- Well, so that's one of the things I didn't do is you,
52:41SPEAKERlike the USB-C port on this is actually a Thunderbolt 3
52:45SPEAKERor 4 port, like it's a USB 4 Thunderbolt 3, I think.
52:48SPEAKER- Okay.
52:49SPEAKER- So you can connect like a dock to it.
52:51SPEAKERYou can connect a monitor to it and it'll work.
52:53SPEAKERIt'll, it's a full ass,
52:55SPEAKERyou can put a full ass second screen on this thing.
52:57SPEAKER- Right.
52:59SPEAKER- I haven't tried that 'cause I don't have a monitor
53:01SPEAKERthat would work with,
53:03SPEAKERI don't think I have a Thunderbolt monitor that's,
53:05SPEAKERlike my Thunderbolt monitor is a Thunderbolt 1 monitor.
53:07SPEAKERI don't think it works with that anymore.
53:10SPEAKEROr I'd have to get some screwy like USB-C
53:13SPEAKERto display port cable, I think, in order for it to work.
53:15SPEAKERBut it's, like it's got weird,
53:21SPEAKERyou can do weird stuff with this thing that I,
53:23SPEAKERlike you can plug it into a Thunderbolt dock
53:25SPEAKERthat then plugs into a, like a giant RAID array
53:29SPEAKERfor the aforementioned footage cataloging, stuff like that.
53:33SPEAKERAnd it's not like you're dealing with a phone,
53:36SPEAKERlightning USB 3, like slow USB 3, not fast USB 3.1.
53:43SPEAKERData throughput for like transferring stuff on and off.
53:45SPEAKERIt's fast.
53:47SPEAKERI could theoretically plug my audio interface into this
53:50SPEAKERand record a podcast with it in GarageBand.
53:52SPEAKERThat's like literally the last thing in these notes here.
53:54SPEAKERThings I haven't done, recorded a podcast.
53:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it kind of scares me
53:59SPEAKER'cause I don't know that iOS will let me,
54:02SPEAKERI would have to use a different,
54:04SPEAKERI wouldn't be able to monitor
54:05SPEAKER'cause I'd have to use a different pair of headphones
54:06SPEAKERto talk to you on the Zoom call
54:08SPEAKERthat I was using to talk on the podcast.
54:14SPEAKERSo I like being able to monitor myself.
54:16SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.
54:17SPEAKERI'm also sitting here trying to think like,
54:18SPEAKERwhat kind of redundancy could you set up there?
54:21SPEAKER- Not much.
54:22SPEAKER- Yeah, like I'm sure you're the same.
54:25SPEAKERLike I wouldn't want to attempt that
54:26SPEAKERunless there was also some kind of backup recording running.
54:28SPEAKERAnd I'm not sure how you could do that
54:30SPEAKER'cause at the end of the day, it is still an iPad
54:32SPEAKERand it's not probably not gonna let you
54:33SPEAKERrun two separate applications and record on both.
54:36SPEAKER- The way my audio chain is set up,
54:39SPEAKERI could hook the audio interface that I use on my desktop PC,
54:43SPEAKERmy main desktop PC, which is a Motu M4.
54:46SPEAKERI could plug that into the USB-C port
54:48SPEAKERand then pipe the microphone out from that
54:50SPEAKERinto the big mixer on my streaming PC
54:53SPEAKERand then record on the streaming PC.
54:55SPEAKERIt would be a fair amount of work
54:57SPEAKERand I don't know that I care that much.
54:58SPEAKER- That's kind of the bigger thing
55:00SPEAKERis like all your other recording gear
55:02SPEAKERis already routed to a desk anyway.
55:03SPEAKERYou might as well use the big machine
55:05SPEAKERthat's also sitting at the desk.
55:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
55:07SPEAKER- If there's not much benefit to doing it on an iPad, I guess.
55:10SPEAKER- I mean, the benefit is I'm traveling next week.
55:12SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, if you're out of town, that's different.
55:14SPEAKER- I could have taken a headset and my audio interface
55:17SPEAKERand theoretically, the thing I haven't tried,
55:19SPEAKERand I should have done this beforehand, I apologize,
55:21SPEAKERis I haven't tried doing like a Zoom call on the iPad
55:25SPEAKERand having GarageBand running at the same time recording.
55:27SPEAKER- Interesting, yeah.
55:29SPEAKER- 'Cause theoretically, stage managers should let me do that
55:31SPEAKERbut I have not tried it yet.
55:36SPEAKERBut I do, almost all the show notes that I've written
55:39SPEAKERsince I've gotten this have been written on this
55:41SPEAKER'cause it's nice to sit in the living room
55:43SPEAKERand not do this in the office
55:44SPEAKERthat I spend 10 or 15 hours a day in.
55:46SPEAKER- Sure.
55:47SPEAKER- I've run a bunch of presentations on it.
55:50SPEAKERI play games pretty much every day.
55:54SPEAKERBecause we have Apple TV and Apple Music,
55:58SPEAKERand data from them, we also get Apple Arcade
56:01SPEAKERfor free, basically, and I play a bunch of Apple Arcade.
56:04SPEAKERIt turns out Apple Arcade is a pretty good solution
56:07SPEAKERfor playing games on your iOS device
56:10SPEAKERwithout having to deal with a bunch of free-to-play nonsense.
56:12SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
56:14SPEAKER- And that's it.
56:15SPEAKER- Yeah, sounds like a successful experiment so far.
56:20SPEAKER- I think a laptop would be more,
56:23SPEAKERit's definitely not as capable as a laptop.
56:26SPEAKERLike that is, even in M2, even looking at what's possible,
56:31SPEAKERespecially now that all of the apps that I use,
56:34SPEAKERso there are M2 versions for Mac OS,
56:39SPEAKERundoubtedly, I would have had a more capable device
56:41SPEAKERif I bought the MacBook.
56:43SPEAKERHowever, I wouldn't be able to draw on it,
56:45SPEAKERwhich there's something, it's really lovely,
56:48SPEAKERand my drawing has gotten,
56:50SPEAKEReven my basic pencil sketching has gotten so much better
56:53SPEAKERsince I got Procreate and I started doing reference layers.
56:57SPEAKERSo I'll take an image of something
56:58SPEAKERthat I want to learn how to draw,
57:00SPEAKERand I'll put it in a reference layer,
57:03SPEAKERand then kind of fade that out,
57:04SPEAKERand then just sketch on top of that reference,
57:07SPEAKERalmost like I'm drawing on onion skin
57:09SPEAKERor something like that.
57:10SPEAKERAnd it's taught me more about shading
57:13SPEAKERand how to do, what I should focus on
57:17SPEAKERand what I shouldn't focus on,
57:18SPEAKERthan anything I've done in the 40 years preceding
57:21SPEAKERin my being a bad drawer.
57:24SPEAKERSo yeah, I couldn't do that on a laptop.
57:29SPEAKERI could have done it on a Surface, I guess,
57:30SPEAKERbut different situation.
57:32SPEAKER- Sure, I mean, the thing I'll say,
57:33SPEAKERI love this M1 MacBook Pro.
57:35SPEAKERIt is the best laptop I've ever owned by a fair margin.
57:39SPEAKERI still only use it when I have to, honestly.
57:41SPEAKERLike I still only use it when I can't do
57:44SPEAKERwhat I need to do on anything else.
57:45SPEAKERLike if I'm just lounging
57:48SPEAKERand I just want to look at Twitter or whatever,
57:50SPEAKERlike I'm still on my six-year-old iPad Pro
57:52SPEAKERbecause there's just a clunkiness factor
57:55SPEAKERto a laptop that you are avoiding.
57:57SPEAKER- Yeah, and because the iOS stuff
58:02SPEAKERis better at the maintenance,
58:05SPEAKERyou know, like you get an update,
58:06SPEAKERI get an OS update every couple of months,
58:08SPEAKERevery month or so, I guess.
58:10SPEAKERBut then the apps just kind of update quietly
58:11SPEAKERin the background without me really having to do anything.
58:14SPEAKERAnd I don't have the, hey, here's 10 things
58:17SPEAKERyou have to update every time I turn on the computer
58:19SPEAKERbecause I don't use it frequently enough.
58:21SPEAKER- Removing that entire layer of friction on a work device.
58:24SPEAKERI mean, I can see the appeal there for sure.
58:26SPEAKERIt's pretty nice, it turns out.
58:29SPEAKERSo that'll do it for us.
58:31SPEAKERApologies again for the all-Apple episode.
58:32SPEAKERI know some people don't really like that.
58:35SPEAKER- You know, like some of the stuff
58:36SPEAKERis like at least very broadly from 10,000 feet
58:41SPEAKERapplicable to Chromebooks, Surfaces,
58:44SPEAKERlike that whole style of device
58:46SPEAKERseems to be going this direction of like,
58:48SPEAKERit's mostly a tablet, but now it's kind of a laptop.
58:50SPEAKERThey plug together, they detach,
58:52SPEAKERlike you can kind of use it in a bunch of different contexts.
58:55SPEAKERLike it just kind of seems like where
58:57SPEAKERthe mobile work space is going.
58:59SPEAKERNot the mobile, you know, like entertainment
59:02SPEAKERand stuff like that, but professional mobile stuff
59:04SPEAKERseems like it's going this way.
59:05SPEAKERSo hopefully this is useful to everybody.
59:08SPEAKER- It's a weird situation.
59:10SPEAKER'Cause like a lot of this lives and dies
59:13SPEAKERbased on the applications that are available.
59:15SPEAKERAnd I feel like Apple,
59:16SPEAKERlike Windows is its own kind of weird thing.
59:19SPEAKER'Cause they're like, you can run full-ass Photoshop.
59:22SPEAKERI mean, there is a version of Photoshop you can run on this.
59:24SPEAKERI have Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher
59:27SPEAKERand Affinity Designer on my laptop, on my iPad.
59:30SPEAKERI use them a lot, right?
59:32SPEAKERAnd it's the same versions that are on my Windows machine,
59:34SPEAKERwhich is fantastic.
59:35SPEAKERThe place that the iPad really breaks down for me
59:38SPEAKERas a Windows primary computer user
59:41SPEAKERis that a lot of the very, very best like,
59:44SPEAKERhey, we won the Apple Design Award bullshit apps,
59:48SPEAKERdon't have Windows counterparts
59:50SPEAKERbecause they're by developers
59:52SPEAKERwho live only in the Apple ecosystem.
59:55SPEAKERAnd like that's where Good Notes breaks down for me.
59:57SPEAKERLike Good Notes is incredible.
59:58SPEAKERIt's really, really neat.
59:59SPEAKERI would absolutely pay $10 for that.
1:00:01SPEAKERNo hesitation, except there's no path
1:00:06SPEAKERfrom Good Notes on my iPad to Good Notes on a PC.
1:00:10SPEAKERThere are a handful of note-taking apps.
1:00:11SPEAKERThere's this thing called Craft that's quite good.
1:00:15SPEAKERAnd it does have Windows versions.
1:00:17SPEAKERIt's like, it kind of splits the difference
1:00:18SPEAKERbetween Notion and Good Notes.
1:00:22SPEAKERBut it's not as good at taking text notes as Notion is.
1:00:24SPEAKERSo Notion, as a primary text note taker,
1:00:27SPEAKERNotion probably wins for me.
1:00:30SPEAKER- Last thing I just want to mention real quick.
1:00:31SPEAKERWe don't need to derail.
1:00:32SPEAKERMaybe we'll touch on this later.
1:00:34SPEAKERI did not realize Microsoft is doing its own ARM CPUs now.
1:00:37SPEAKERI mean, I don't know who's actually designing them, but-
1:00:39SPEAKER- Yeah, they have SOCs.
1:00:41SPEAKER- Yeah, the Surface Pro 9, if you look at the specs,
1:00:44SPEAKERit says it has a Microsoft SQ3 processor in it.
1:00:46SPEAKERAnd like, I know you've been seeing more
1:00:48SPEAKERabout Windows on ARM lately,
1:00:51SPEAKERbut I would've assumed any ARM Microsoft device
1:00:54SPEAKERwas like a Qualcomm of some kind.
1:00:57SPEAKEROh, actually, okay, I'm looking here.
1:00:58SPEAKER- It is, I think it is a Qualcomm, isn't it?
1:01:00SPEAKER- The SQ3 is based on a Snapdragon design, actually.
1:01:04SPEAKERBut they are at least like branding them,
1:01:06SPEAKERthe CPUs as their own now.
1:01:08SPEAKERSo that's kind of an interesting move.
1:01:10SPEAKER- I think they're in the position that Apple was
1:01:12SPEAKERbefore they started designing their whole,
1:01:14SPEAKERtheir SOCs from scratch,
1:01:15SPEAKERwhere they're like taking the off-the-shelf stuff
1:01:17SPEAKERand adding more GPU capability to it
1:01:19SPEAKERor machine learning or whatever it is
1:01:21SPEAKERthey feel like is important, they're jamming on there.
1:01:23SPEAKER- Right.
1:01:24SPEAKER- So anyway, I don't know that this is an approach
1:01:29SPEAKERthat's right for everyone,
1:01:30SPEAKERbut I'm quite happy with it, with my choices so far.
1:01:33SPEAKERSo ask me again in a year.
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