161: Get Stretchy

00:00SPEAKER- Brad, I played Fortnite for six hours yesterday.

00:02SPEAKER- Six hours?

00:04SPEAKERThat's not a real number.

00:05SPEAKER- Look, it is a real, look, the season's ending,

00:08SPEAKERyou know, and you know what that means.

00:10SPEAKER- No, I don't, I don't, but I'll pretend I do.

00:12SPEAKER- Okay, you know the classic story

00:14SPEAKERof the crickets and the ants, right?

00:15SPEAKERYou know, the cricket. - Yes.

00:17SPEAKER- The lazy grasshopper cricket or whatever

00:20SPEAKERis laying about all summer,

00:23SPEAKERand then when the winter comes,

00:25SPEAKERwell, the ants are studiously picking seeds

00:28SPEAKERand putting away food for the winter,

00:29SPEAKERand then when the winter comes and there's no food,

00:31SPEAKERwhat happens to the grasshopper?

00:33SPEAKER- He goes pro in Fortnite and makes millions.

00:38SPEAKER- Maybe, maybe, but my daughter desperately wanted

00:42SPEAKERthe Spider-Gwen skin that was the top tier reward

00:45SPEAKERfrom the Fortnite battle pass this season.

00:47SPEAKER- Okay, let me just ask, I assume FOMO

00:50SPEAKERis an essential component

00:51SPEAKERof the seasonal Fortnite progression.

00:54SPEAKER- Have you not played something with a battle pass before?

00:56SPEAKER- I have, just making sure.

00:59SPEAKER- Yeah, but when you were playing Dota

01:00SPEAKERand you get to the end of the battle pass,

01:02SPEAKERyou earn up all the way to the top tier reward.

01:05SPEAKERYou want that thing, right?

01:06SPEAKER- Look, the less recollected about Dota the better, but yes.

01:11SPEAKER- So, okay, so the Spider-Gwen one is in,

01:13SPEAKERlike last season it was Darth Vader,

01:15SPEAKERand while she hit a level 100 and caught Darth Vader.

01:18SPEAKER- She probably doesn't care about Darth Vader as much.

01:21SPEAKER- No real connection to Darth Vader.

01:23SPEAKERSpider-Verse, however, is a formative film

01:27SPEAKERfor a nine-year-old today.

01:28SPEAKER- Sure.

01:29SPEAKER- And if you're a girl,

01:31SPEAKERthe fact that there's a really cool girl character

01:34SPEAKERin that movie is important.

01:36SPEAKER- Understandable.

01:37SPEAKER- However, we've been pretty busy with other stuff

01:39SPEAKERand we haven't had as much time to play games as usual.

01:42SPEAKER- Okay, this is all clicking in my head now.

01:44SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a lot of afterschool activities

01:46SPEAKERduring this time of year,

01:48SPEAKERand like the summertime battle pass,

01:49SPEAKERpretty straightforward.

01:51SPEAKERGoing back to school battle pass,

01:52SPEAKERa little more complicated.

01:55SPEAKERSo--

01:56SPEAKER- I'm just gonna say, having played a lot of "Dota"

01:58SPEAKERand also "Destiny" in my time,

02:01SPEAKERthe feeling of the late season cram,

02:05SPEAKERlike it's right up there.

02:06SPEAKERIt's right up there with the,

02:07SPEAKER"Oh God, I haven't started on this term paper

02:09SPEAKERand it's due tomorrow."

02:10SPEAKER- Like it's, they made fucking video games work, man.

02:14SPEAKER- They made it into homework.

02:16SPEAKER- Yeah, but also, I mean, I will say,

02:18SPEAKERso we sat down, like this weekend,

02:20SPEAKERthis week we've been playing like an hour at a time

02:21SPEAKERhere and there, playing like getting a couple of games in,

02:23SPEAKERand we got her from like level 30 to level 55, right?

02:26SPEAKER- Wow, okay.

02:27SPEAKER- So last night we were sitting there looking at 55

02:29SPEAKERand I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna have a real crisis here."

02:33SPEAKER'Cause I got 45 level,

02:34SPEAKERrealistically she needed to get to level 90,

02:36SPEAKER'cause if you save your points, you get to level 90,

02:38SPEAKERyou unlock the last bit.

02:39SPEAKER- Okay.

02:41SPEAKER- And I was like, "Okay, if she doesn't make it,

02:45SPEAKERam I gonna let her buy levels?"

02:47SPEAKERLike she has V-Bucks, she gets V-Bucks spending,

02:51SPEAKERlike as part of her allowance,

02:52SPEAKERlike for doing chores around the house.

02:54SPEAKER- Oh, I forgot, I totally blanked on the fact

02:57SPEAKERthat you could just buy your way to this.

02:59SPEAKER- Yeah, like you can, day one,

03:00SPEAKERthere's always somebody running around

03:01SPEAKERwith the tier top 100 reward,

03:03SPEAKER'cause they just spend 70 bucks on it, right?

03:05SPEAKEROr 100 bucks, whatever it is.

03:08SPEAKERSo I was like, "What are we gonna,

03:11SPEAKERlike, we're gonna sit down,

03:12SPEAKERand as soon as you finish your school stuff

03:13SPEAKERon Friday afternoon, we're gonna sit down

03:14SPEAKERand just hammer this out, we're gonna get it done, right?

03:17SPEAKERAnd if she doesn't make it, if we get within like,

03:19SPEAKERyou know, if we get within like 10 levels,

03:21SPEAKERI'll pay for the 10 levels, whatever, I don't care."

03:23SPEAKER- 'Cause was there any possibility offered

03:26SPEAKERof like, say, buying your way there

03:28SPEAKERwith an advance on allowance or something along those lines?

03:31SPEAKER- She is pretty good about hoarding V-Bucks

03:34SPEAKERfor skins that she's excited about.

03:36SPEAKER- Okay.

03:37SPEAKER- So like, she probably had enough,

03:40SPEAKERshe definitely had enough to get there

03:41SPEAKERonce she was in like 20, within 20 levels.

03:43SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

03:44SPEAKER- But it would burn all of her V-Bucks.

03:45SPEAKERIt would be like, that's like,

03:46SPEAKERtwo months worth of V-Bucks probably, right?

03:48SPEAKERIt's a lot.

03:49SPEAKER- Good object lesson in future budgeting needs.

03:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but anyway, so we got going and finally I was like,

03:54SPEAKER"Okay, you're almost close enough

03:55SPEAKERthat if you wanna spend the V-Bucks you have,

03:57SPEAKERyou could just do it and we could be done at like nine o'clock."

04:00SPEAKERShe's like, "No, dad, that's cheating."

04:01SPEAKERI was like, "I wanna do it."

04:02SPEAKERShe was like, "I wanna do it for real."

04:04SPEAKER- Great.

04:04SPEAKER- So we played six hours of Fortnite.

04:07SPEAKERWe ground it out.

04:09SPEAKERAbout 11 o'clock, we finally got it done.

04:11SPEAKERAnd she donned the Spider-Gwen skin and she's very happy.

04:16SPEAKERSo now she has a Wonder Woman and a Spider-Gwen.

04:17SPEAKERShe's got all the universes, and Princess Leia,

04:19SPEAKERshe's got all the universes covered.

04:21SPEAKER- Just distinct flashbacks to the end

04:25SPEAKERof that South Park World of Warcraft episode.

04:27SPEAKER(laughing)

04:29SPEAKERAfter they have played the game day and morning,

04:32SPEAKERnoon and night for months on end

04:34SPEAKERand completely destroyed their lives

04:35SPEAKERto accomplish a grindy objective.

04:38SPEAKER- Look.

04:39SPEAKER- But now after they finished the thing, now what?

04:43SPEAKERNow we can play the game.

04:45SPEAKER- Now we can just have fun.

04:46SPEAKER- That's what she said at the end of the stream.

04:47SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh God."

04:49SPEAKERBut hold on, I gotta tell you, I gotta brag for a sec.

04:52SPEAKERI don't do a lot of dad bragging here

04:54SPEAKERand I apologize for the people who don't care.

04:56SPEAKERWe were in, we won like three, four games last night

04:58SPEAKERwhile we were playing.

04:59SPEAKER- Okay.

05:01SPEAKER- Couple of them, she did the clutch kills at the end

05:04SPEAKERto get the dub.

05:05SPEAKER- Wow, great.

05:06SPEAKER- At one point, she's driving around

05:07SPEAKERin an octane from Rocket League

05:09SPEAKER'cause that's how this game works now.

05:10SPEAKERThere's octane from Rocket League is in the game.

05:13SPEAKER- I didn't even know there were vehicles.

05:15SPEAKER- Oh yeah, there's been vehicles for a long time.

05:16SPEAKERYou need to play some Fortnite, Brad.

05:18SPEAKERFortnite, I'm gonna go tell you, Fortnite's pretty good.

05:19SPEAKER- Do I need to?

05:20SPEAKERAnyway.

05:21SPEAKER- It's us versus this one poor person

05:24SPEAKERand she's driving around in the car.

05:25SPEAKERI'm shooting at them, they're bouncing around like crazy.

05:27SPEAKERThey're actually really good at the game

05:29SPEAKERand she tags them and yeets them out into the blue

05:31SPEAKERand they died of the blue.

05:32SPEAKER- Great.

05:33SPEAKER- And I was like, "Dad of the year,

05:34SPEAKER"I'm feeling good about this, we're done."

05:38SPEAKER- Okay, a lot of important lessons being learned, it seems.

05:42SPEAKER- Sometimes you gotta hit somebody with a car, Brad.

05:43SPEAKERThat's the lesson.

05:45SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:51SPEAKER- I've written here in the notes, dishwashers, huh?

05:54SPEAKERSo let me just say dishwashers, huh?

05:57SPEAKER- I love a dishwasher.

05:58SPEAKER- Holy, I forgot what it was.

06:02SPEAKER- I wish we could start over.

06:03SPEAKER- We've been, no, no.

06:05SPEAKER- No?

06:06SPEAKER- The stammering is my amazement at how life-changing it is

06:10SPEAKERto have a working dishwasher again.

06:12SPEAKER- It's nice to put the dirty dishes in the magic machine

06:16SPEAKERand then they come out clean.

06:18SPEAKER- It's incredible.

06:18SPEAKERAlso, he bought us what I took to be

06:21SPEAKERabout the cheapest dishwasher on the market.

06:23SPEAKERIt was under $500.

06:25SPEAKER- Wow, that's a cheap dishwasher.

06:26SPEAKER- It is still, I mean, to be fair,

06:29SPEAKERthe previous dishwasher, which no longer worked,

06:31SPEAKERwas about 20 years old.

06:32SPEAKER- Did it click when you turned the knob?

06:35SPEAKER- Yes, I believe so.

06:36SPEAKERThis one doesn't even have a knob.

06:37SPEAKERDo they even make someone's knobs anymore?

06:39SPEAKER- No, they haven't had a knob on a dishwasher.

06:41SPEAKER- A knob on a, probably the really expensive dishwashers

06:43SPEAKERhave knobs when I think about it.

06:44SPEAKERIt's probably like a $2,000 dishwasher

06:46SPEAKERprobably has knobs now.

06:47SPEAKER- Is that like an audio file thing?

06:48SPEAKERIs there such thing as a dishwasher file?

06:51SPEAKER- I'm sure there's a knob feel for dishwashers.

06:53SPEAKER- Like all like cherry oak, perfectly balanced knobs

06:57SPEAKERon your dishwasher panel.

07:00SPEAKER- It's all analog controls.

07:01SPEAKERYou have to turn a crank to move the dial

07:03SPEAKERto where you want the time to start.

07:05SPEAKER- Like again, he sent us the work order for this thing

07:08SPEAKERand I was like, oh, he went for the cheap one, whatever.

07:09SPEAKERAs long as it washes dishes, fine.

07:11SPEAKERBut like, holy crap, dude, like this thing,

07:13SPEAKERthis thing has a night drive feature

07:15SPEAKERwhere there's a fan in it.

07:16SPEAKER- Ooh.

07:17SPEAKER- And when it, if you run it overnight,

07:19SPEAKERit'll blow the fan, it'll exhaust the humidity out

07:22SPEAKERso that the dishes dry inside the dishwasher.

07:25SPEAKER- Well, that's, I mean, look,

07:26SPEAKERthat's how dishwasher is supposed to work, man.

07:28SPEAKER- Well, look, again, our previous dishwasher,

07:33SPEAKERperhaps not fully featured.

07:34SPEAKER- Your old dishwasher was the kind probably

07:36SPEAKERwith the big heating element on the floor

07:38SPEAKERthat like if a wooden spoon fell down

07:41SPEAKERwhile it was being washed, it would land on that thing.

07:44SPEAKERIt would end up with a big black char mark on it.

07:46SPEAKER- That's very possible.

07:47SPEAKERIt's also possible that components of that dishwasher

07:49SPEAKERstopped working a while before the full thing did.

07:52SPEAKER- Yeah, like our, so our dishwasher, we have a,

07:54SPEAKERwe have the Bosch with the,

07:58SPEAKERthey do a stainless steel drum that holds heat

08:01SPEAKERand like through some miracle of, I don't know,

08:05SPEAKERlike look, all the water condenses on the side of the tub

08:09SPEAKERand it doesn't condense on the dishes.

08:10SPEAKER- Wow.

08:11SPEAKER- And it sucks the water off of the dishes somehow

08:13SPEAKERwith magic, but you have to use rinse aid.

08:16SPEAKERSo you can't just put the soap in.

08:17SPEAKERYou have to put the stuff in that makes the water dry better.

08:21SPEAKERIt's pretty freaking good.

08:22SPEAKERI love our dishwasher.

08:24SPEAKER- It's, look, dishwasher is my new best friend.

08:27SPEAKERThis one, like I said, it's an LG.

08:28SPEAKERThis one sings to you.

08:29SPEAKERIt's like, oh, when you turn it on, especially, especially,

08:34SPEAKERI've never been around it until a few minutes ago

08:36SPEAKERwhen it finishes a load,

08:37SPEAKER'cause typically I've been running it at night.

08:39SPEAKERIt's like, it's like an eight second jingle

08:41SPEAKERthat plays when it's really establishing some fanfare

08:45SPEAKERaround this mass of clean dishes.

08:47SPEAKERIt did, you know, it reminded me,

08:50SPEAKERit reminded me more than anything of the JR line in Tokyo.

08:54SPEAKERAre you familiar with it?

08:56SPEAKERIt's one of the rails.

08:57SPEAKER- I have no idea what you're talking,

08:58SPEAKERyou said words that I know,

08:59SPEAKERbut together they make no sense to me.

09:00SPEAKER- I think, I think it stands for Japan rail.

09:02SPEAKERIt's one of the, it's one of the train lines.

09:03SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, Japan, okay. - In and around Tokyo.

09:06SPEAKERLike I'm sure you've heard the whole thing

09:08SPEAKERabout like Japanese subway stations

09:10SPEAKERand like the jingles that play.

09:12SPEAKER- Yeah, each one has its own song, yeah.

09:14SPEAKER- They're extremely lighthearted and pleasant.

09:16SPEAKERLike this very much reminded me of that.

09:18SPEAKERIt's like this dishwasher is basically a train.

09:21SPEAKER- Didn't one person write all those jingles

09:24SPEAKERfor a really long time?

09:25SPEAKER- Oh, that's possible.

09:26SPEAKER- I feel like I read it,

09:28SPEAKERI feel like I read an interview

09:29SPEAKERwith the person who wrote all the jingles.

09:31SPEAKERThis is what the internet's good for, right?

09:33SPEAKER- Yes, that's the only thing the internet is good for.

09:35SPEAKERAnyway, I am now very pro appliances singing to you.

09:39SPEAKERI think that a little more mirth in everybody's,

09:42SPEAKERyou know, go on.

09:44SPEAKER- Brad, I gotta ask you some questions

09:45SPEAKERabout your dishwasher usage, okay?

09:47SPEAKER- Yes.

09:48SPEAKER- Which way do you put the spoons in the holder?

09:51SPEAKER- Oh, I read the manual.

09:53SPEAKER- Oh, you read the manual?

09:54SPEAKERWhat does it say?

09:55SPEAKER- I read the manual cover to cover.

09:57SPEAKERThat's how excited I was.

09:59SPEAKERAlso, there were some issues after the install.

10:04SPEAKERThe installers created a significant leak under our sink

10:08SPEAKERthat we didn't discover until well after they were gone.

10:10SPEAKERAlso, the air gap needed to be replaced,

10:12SPEAKERwhich they were not in a position to do at the time.

10:14SPEAKERSo the point is we sat there staring

10:18SPEAKERat this installed dishwasher for about three days

10:21SPEAKERbeing unable to actually use it.

10:23SPEAKER- Oh no.

10:24SPEAKER- There was a lot of time for me to sit there

10:25SPEAKERreading the manual and getting increasingly excited.

10:29SPEAKERBut yeah, the manual very explicitly said,

10:32SPEAKER"Put them kind of utensil up, handle down."

10:37SPEAKER- Yeah, so my understanding is spoons and forks,

10:40SPEAKERutensil up, handle down, knives.

10:43SPEAKER- Blade down?

10:44SPEAKER- Pointy end down.

10:45SPEAKER- Oh, huh, well.

10:47SPEAKER- It's unclear to me if that's a safety thing,

10:48SPEAKERso you don't accidentally jab your hand

10:50SPEAKERwhen you're reaching in to unload the thing,

10:51SPEAKERor if it's because the knives like there's a,

10:54SPEAKERthe water flows down better or something, but.

10:57SPEAKER- There is a standing ban on putting the sharp knives

10:59SPEAKERin the dishwasher around here anyway.

11:01SPEAKER- We don't put the good knives,

11:02SPEAKERjust the like butter knives and stuff.

11:04SPEAKER- Yes, indeed.

11:06SPEAKER- Okay, so I got plastics, top shelf, bottom shelf.

11:10SPEAKER- Oh, definitely top shelf, if at all.

11:12SPEAKERLike, you know, actually now that I think about it,

11:15SPEAKERthe list of things that are forbidden

11:16SPEAKERfrom going in the dishwasher seems to be getting longer.

11:19SPEAKER- Okay, here's the real question then.

11:21SPEAKERDo you, how much stuff do you leave on the dishes?

11:25SPEAKERLike do you just kind of knock off the big chunks

11:27SPEAKERand leave sauces and goo?

11:29SPEAKER- I'm going whole hog, man.

11:30SPEAKER- You're just putting the food and everything in there?

11:32SPEAKER- I'm not even rinsing the dishes.

11:34SPEAKERLike I've typically, I've got to the point

11:36SPEAKERwhere I turn the plate vertical in the sink,

11:38SPEAKERand if things fall off of it, then fine.

11:40SPEAKERAnd if not, oh well, it goes in.

11:44SPEAKER- You're mad with power.

11:46SPEAKER- Can't be stopped.

11:50SPEAKER- Okay, Brad, I built a new PC the other day

11:52SPEAKERwith our friends at PC World, Gordon and Adam.

11:54SPEAKER- You did, I'm mad with jealousy, but go on.

11:57SPEAKER- It's so fast, it's so fast.

12:01SPEAKER- I can launch Photoshop in like three, four seconds.

12:03SPEAKERIt's the fastest computer I've ever owned.

12:05SPEAKER- Impossible.

12:07SPEAKERAs we established on the Gordon episode,

12:10SPEAKERlaunching Photoshop is the populist benchmark.

12:13SPEAKERIt's the one that truly matters.

12:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the, like, look, my old strategy

12:16SPEAKERon the old computer, which was fast,

12:18SPEAKERwas click the Photoshop link and then get up

12:21SPEAKERand go into the kitchen, and by the time I get back

12:23SPEAKERfrom getting a drink, it's done, right?

12:25SPEAKERI'm ready to go.

12:26SPEAKER- Yeah, you don't even have time to stand up now.

12:27SPEAKERI wanted to come in here and run a little exercise

12:29SPEAKERof how many PCs has Will built in the time

12:33SPEAKERsince I built my last and current PC?

12:36SPEAKER- Do the kiddo's PCs count?

12:38SPEAKER- No, I'm like your daily driver, let's say,

12:40SPEAKERbecause I built this machine in January, 2016.

12:46SPEAKER- Oh yeah, this is four. - That was almost seven years ago.

12:49SPEAKER- This is the fourth computer probably since then

12:51SPEAKERthat's been my main driver.

12:52SPEAKER- God damn it, I'm close, I'm very close.

12:55SPEAKER- Look, it's a business expense, Brad.

12:58SPEAKER- Oh, I know, sometime in the next month or two

13:00SPEAKERit's going to happen.

13:01SPEAKER- Okay, so this motherboard has a feature

13:03SPEAKERthat we kind of made fun of when we were building

13:06SPEAKERthe PC the other day.

13:07SPEAKERSo if you want to see the stream, the build,

13:08SPEAKERit's on PC World, it's like four hours long,

13:10SPEAKERwe're just hanging out and building PC.

13:11SPEAKERIt's not like a how to build a PC thing.

13:13SPEAKERIt's just three people who have known each other

13:16SPEAKERfor a long time, hanging out, shooting the shit,

13:19SPEAKERbuilding a PC together, and like, it turns out

13:22SPEAKERit's really nice having somebody around when you,

13:24SPEAKERlike I used to be really, I used to build like two PCs,

13:27SPEAKERthree PCs a month sometimes from when I was at Maximum PC.

13:30SPEAKERSo like I understand the basics, but a lot of stuff

13:32SPEAKERhas changed in the last 12 years since I left Maximum PC

13:36SPEAKERand stopped building PCs all the time.

13:37SPEAKER- Sure.

13:38SPEAKER- Turns out it's really nice to have somebody around

13:40SPEAKERwho builds PCs like twice a week,

13:42SPEAKERbecause Adam and Gordon were there answering questions.

13:44SPEAKERJJ from Asus popped up in the chat and JJ is like,

13:48SPEAKERhe's like their guru for how to know how everything works

13:51SPEAKERat Asus, he's the guy that you ask if you have questions

13:54SPEAKERabout their stuff.

13:57SPEAKERIt was a luxurious way to build a fancy high-end PC.

14:01SPEAKERSo when we were building this thing,

14:02SPEAKERon the front edge of the board where the SATA ports

14:04SPEAKERand stuff are, there was a PCI express power header,

14:06SPEAKERlike the six pin kind that you usually plug

14:08SPEAKERinto a video card.

14:10SPEAKERAnd we were like, what is this for?

14:11SPEAKERAnd JJ was like, oh, you plug that in, you get 60 watt

14:13SPEAKERUSB PD on the USB-C port, so you can charge your laptop

14:19SPEAKERon the front of your computer.

14:20SPEAKERI was like, I was like, in my head, I'm like,

14:23SPEAKERthat is a really stupid feature.

14:25SPEAKERI'm never ever going to use that.

14:27SPEAKERBrad. - I would use that.

14:28SPEAKERWell, no way, okay, yes, go on.

14:31SPEAKER- I have never been more wrong about something in my life.

14:34SPEAKER- I did, nope, I was gonna say, that sounds pretty good.

14:37SPEAKER- Either the iPad or the Steam Deck has been plugged

14:40SPEAKERinto that thing constantly since I built that PC.

14:44SPEAKER- That makes me even more excited

14:45SPEAKERabout building a new machine now, like, hang on.

14:47SPEAKERSo what is the utility of running that

14:50SPEAKERthrough the motherboard as opposed to like straight

14:52SPEAKERfrom one of the PSU outputs to that port?

14:57SPEAKERAnd also, is that kind of a lot of juice

14:59SPEAKERto be pumping through a motherboard?

15:00SPEAKERI don't know.

15:01SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it goes through your phone,

15:02SPEAKERso it's probably fine.

15:04SPEAKER- I guess so.

15:06SPEAKER- I mean, the problem with it is it generates a lot of noise,

15:08SPEAKERbut the USB PD port is right next

15:11SPEAKERto where the USB-C front panel header is.

15:14SPEAKER- Oh, is this not a data port?

15:15SPEAKERThis is purely for power?

15:17SPEAKER- No, it's both, so that's the benefit.

15:19SPEAKERIf you did the power directly into the,

15:22SPEAKERwell, A, PD requires data connection

15:25SPEAKER'cause it has to negotiate it.

15:26SPEAKERThere's a spec, it's not like the old way

15:28SPEAKERwhere it's just a couple of weird resistors on the line.

15:30SPEAKERNow the computer and the device talk to each other

15:33SPEAKERand it's like, okay, I can take this much power

15:35SPEAKERand I can give this much power.

15:36SPEAKERAnd then the least common denominator

15:37SPEAKERis what ends up getting popped.

15:42SPEAKERSo I think it has to be a smart power.

15:45SPEAKERThere has to be some logic in order for it to work.

15:47SPEAKERAnd if there was logic on the case end,

15:52SPEAKERI guess what I'm saying is I think this is the only way

15:54SPEAKERit could work without having to have

15:55SPEAKERsome specific hardware on the case.

15:58SPEAKERAnd also to have that port be a data port and a power port.

16:02SPEAKER- Sure.

16:03SPEAKER- You have to install a little program.

16:05SPEAKERYou have to install something on Windows

16:08SPEAKERas part of the drivers.

16:09SPEAKER- Oh, it won't just run in anything?

16:11SPEAKER- Well, okay, you have to install it on Windows

16:14SPEAKERif you want the power port to be active

16:15SPEAKERwhen it's in S3 sleep.

16:17SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

16:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:19SPEAKER- Wait, sleep sleep?

16:20SPEAKERLike you hibernated the computer?

16:22SPEAKER- Uh-huh, like you hit the sleep button

16:23SPEAKERor the computer went to sleep 'cause you weren't there.

16:25SPEAKERIt'll keep charging if you're in sleep

16:26SPEAKERif you have the program running.

16:27SPEAKER- That still sounds pretty good.

16:29SPEAKER- I plugged in the switch, the Steam Deck,

16:31SPEAKERand I was like, oh wow, this actually charges

16:33SPEAKERat the full rate.

16:34SPEAKERThis is amazing.

16:34SPEAKERIt didn't give me the, hey, you have problems

16:39SPEAKERwith your power delivery.

16:40SPEAKERYou're gonna charge at a reduced rate.

16:42SPEAKERI plugged in the iPad, it charged at the full rate.

16:44SPEAKERI haven't tried the switch yet.

16:45SPEAKERThat's probably the next one to do.

16:47SPEAKER'Cause I'm curious, the switch hardly charges on anything

16:49SPEAKER'cause I think it only supports 29 watts.

16:51SPEAKER- Yeah, like Nintendo has their own way of doing things,

16:54SPEAKERlet's say.

16:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:56SPEAKERThis USB-C transition I feel like is taking forever,

16:59SPEAKERbut I am, man, I'm ready.

17:00SPEAKERLike just plug everything into everything.

17:03SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's time.

17:03SPEAKERLike the full promise has come true here.

17:06SPEAKERThis was a magical, magical moment.

17:08SPEAKER- Like I'm gonna start plugging my laptop

17:10SPEAKERinto the back of my G-Force

17:13SPEAKERand powering it at a thousand miles an hour.

17:16SPEAKER- One day, you're gonna plug your microwave

17:18SPEAKERinto your refrigerator and your stove into your sink.

17:21SPEAKERAnd it's all gonna just work.

17:22SPEAKERThat's the future, man.

17:24SPEAKER- We need another round of those AT&T U-Will commercials.

17:29SPEAKER- Somebody should do is remake those AT&T U-Will commercials

17:33SPEAKERfor internet of shit stuff.

17:35SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

17:36SPEAKERI'd like stupid RGB and devices daisy chained into, yes.

17:42SPEAKER- Stupid RGB what, excuse me, sir.

17:45SPEAKER- Hey Will, glad you got to pay, enjoy your new computer.

17:51SPEAKERSo would you say there's like a federally mandated statute

17:55SPEAKERof limitations on Thanksgiving leftovers?

17:57SPEAKER- I'm a Tuesday at the latest.

18:00SPEAKER- Oh boy, okay.

18:01SPEAKERThe following Tuesday, just to be clear.

18:03SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I don't eat the Tuesday before,

18:04SPEAKERthat would be weird.

18:05SPEAKER- Okay.

18:06SPEAKER- Well, I'm sorry, that was a jerk answer.

18:08SPEAKERYes, the following Tuesday.

18:09SPEAKER- I'm just trying to drive home the point

18:11SPEAKERthat you're talking a scant matter of days.

18:14SPEAKER- Look, that's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

18:17SPEAKERThat's five days.

18:18SPEAKER- That's what I was getting at.

18:19SPEAKERI wanted to be clear that it was a low number

18:21SPEAKERbecause apparently I am in flagrant violation.

18:24SPEAKER- Well, okay, so everything has to go out

18:29SPEAKERbefore trash the next week.

18:30SPEAKERSo that's Wednesday night trash.

18:32SPEAKER- Really? - Or Thursday night trash.

18:35SPEAKER- Okay, we were, okay, as of Friday night,

18:38SPEAKERso that's what, eight days?

18:40SPEAKER- Yeah, that's eight days.

18:41SPEAKER- We were down to some mashed potatoes.

18:44SPEAKER- Did you eat gravy with that?

18:46SPEAKER- No.

18:48SPEAKER- Mashed potatoes probably okay, I think.

18:51SPEAKER- They got reheated in a pot.

18:54SPEAKER- Okay. - For what it's worth.

18:55SPEAKER- In a pot?

18:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:57SPEAKER- Put them on the stove?

18:58SPEAKER- Throw them on the stove, added a little chicken broth.

19:01SPEAKER- Wow, I just put them in the microwave oven.

19:03SPEAKER- They were a little dry at this point, let's say.

19:07SPEAKER- Were they covered in the fridge, Brad?

19:09SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.

19:10SPEAKER- Okay. - In a Tupperware

19:11SPEAKERwith a sealed lid.

19:12SPEAKER- Look, I am not a food safety expert,

19:15SPEAKERbut I have listened to the food safety talk

19:18SPEAKERwith Don Schaffner and Ben Chapman for like,

19:20SPEAKERI don't know, 250 episodes or something.

19:23SPEAKERThey've been doing that podcast for a long time.

19:25SPEAKERIt's real good.

19:25SPEAKER- Wow.

19:27SPEAKER- I feel like they would probably say that's okay.

19:31SPEAKER- Okay. - But that they wouldn't do it.

19:33SPEAKER- Okay.

19:35SPEAKER- Did you get sick?

19:35SPEAKERAre you okay?

19:36SPEAKERAre you feeling good? - I'm fine, I'm fine.

19:37SPEAKER- Yeah. - Right on the bubble, huh?

19:39SPEAKER- You're probably fine.

19:40SPEAKER- A week, okay, like a week is pushing it.

19:42SPEAKERI grant that a week on anything is maybe getting into like,

19:46SPEAKERI don't know, territory, but they were good mashed potatoes.

19:50SPEAKER- Here's the thing.

19:50SPEAKERI feel like stuffing that was cooked inside the bird

19:53SPEAKERis like your highest risk food for Thanksgiving, right?

19:56SPEAKER- Of course, yeah.

19:57SPEAKER- So that's like you eat the day of, maybe the day,

19:59SPEAKERmaybe the weekend after, and Sunday night,

20:02SPEAKERyou clear that out or you're done with it, right?

20:04SPEAKER- Yeah, we don't trifle with such things.

20:06SPEAKER- The apple pie, which can't be,

20:08SPEAKERit's like if you refrigerate it, it ends up not right.

20:11SPEAKERYou know, that has to be stored on room temperature pie.

20:15SPEAKERThat's like, that has to be gone by Saturday or Sunday.

20:17SPEAKERLike we eat that, hammer through that.

20:20SPEAKER- Sure. - The pumpkin--

20:21SPEAKER- Yeah, baked goods are always--

20:22SPEAKER- The pumpkin's refrigerated, it can stay longer.

20:23SPEAKER- Okay, sure, that makes sense.

20:25SPEAKERBaked goods are always weird when like growing up

20:26SPEAKER'cause I assume it was similar for you.

20:29SPEAKERBaked goods kind of just went out on the counter

20:31SPEAKERand stayed there until they were gone.

20:33SPEAKER- Well, so pumpkin pie always lives in the fridge for me

20:36SPEAKER'cause I like it better cold, actually.

20:38SPEAKERI like a cold pumpkin pie.

20:40SPEAKERBut yeah, the apple pie, cookies, stuff like that.

20:43SPEAKERCookies are pretty, like you cover,

20:46SPEAKERI mean, it's like you cover it if it's room temperature

20:49SPEAKERand it's been cooked, you're probably okay, right?

20:52SPEAKER- Sure, yeah.

20:52SPEAKER- But if it's something that has eggs in it,

20:55SPEAKERyou want that to be refrigerated.

20:57SPEAKERIf it's something that was inside the carcass at some point,

21:00SPEAKERprobably that should be refrigerated, I don't know.

21:02SPEAKERI find, the thing I find is that the turkey,

21:04SPEAKEReven when I like did a perfect turkey and it's brined

21:07SPEAKERand like moist and succulent and delicious,

21:09SPEAKERit's still gonna be dry by like Sunday.

21:11SPEAKERAnd I'm probably looking at turkey soup at that point.

21:14SPEAKER- Sure, no, this year, my bird this year

21:17SPEAKERwas a Costco chicken, so.

21:19SPEAKER- Ooh, like a rotisserie?

21:22SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

21:23SPEAKER- Nice.

21:24SPEAKER- The straight up, the $5 clucker.

21:26SPEAKER- Oh man, that's a feast.

21:30SPEAKER- Now I find myself in the position

21:32SPEAKERwhere there are enough of the stuffing fixings left.

21:37SPEAKERThere's like, there's a bounty of fresh sage and thyme here,

21:41SPEAKERamong other things.

21:42SPEAKER- Okay.

21:43SPEAKER- That my partner has decided that like,

21:45SPEAKERwell, still got all that stuff,

21:48SPEAKERwe're just gonna have to make more stuffing.

21:49SPEAKER- Look, there's nothing wrong with more stuffing.

21:51SPEAKER- And I'm getting two thumbs ups from the door here.

21:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

21:56SPEAKER- It makes me think we're gonna get into a situation,

21:58SPEAKERlike, okay, so then we bought more sausage yesterday

22:01SPEAKERto put into it.

22:03SPEAKER- As one does.

22:04SPEAKER- And we have some old bread that's gonna go in there,

22:06SPEAKERand it's like, are we gonna get into a situation

22:09SPEAKERwhere we constantly have something

22:10SPEAKERthat could go into more stuffing,

22:12SPEAKERand so we're just gonna be a constant leapfrog

22:14SPEAKERof forever stuffing?

22:17SPEAKER- Look, the season of eternal stuffing

22:19SPEAKERis my favorite of the Chandler novels,

22:22SPEAKERso I'm gonna say go for it.

22:24SPEAKER(upbeat music)

22:27SPEAKEROkay, Brad, I turned my ringer back on.

22:29SPEAKER- Which ringer are we talking?

22:30SPEAKER- Phone, I haven't had it on in about 10 years.

22:33SPEAKER- Wow, like, blanket straight through?

22:36SPEAKER- I'm sure there's moments when it was on, off, and on.

22:38SPEAKERSometimes I do the podcast, I flip the thing on

22:40SPEAKERto make the noise, and then I flip it back off.

22:42SPEAKER- So is that your mechanism, the little mute switch?

22:44SPEAKER- I use the, I love the hardware switch.

22:46SPEAKERI'm a huge fan.

22:48SPEAKER- Wow, so you're, wait, you're a forever silent phone guy?

22:51SPEAKERI am kind of like that, and I thought I was very much like,

22:55SPEAKERodd one out on that.

22:57SPEAKERI assume most people leave their ringer on.

22:59SPEAKERSo, I mean, think about when the last time

23:01SPEAKERyou were out in public and heard a ringtone, though, was.

23:03SPEAKERI don't think people use, I think people are all silent now.

23:06SPEAKER- You think so?

23:07SPEAKER- But the problem is I keep missing stuff

23:09SPEAKERbecause I was silent, and I don't, I often don't,

23:11SPEAKERlike, I often have my phone on my desktop,

23:13SPEAKERor like, it's not in my pocket anymore.

23:15SPEAKERAnd honestly, at this point, my upper thighs

23:17SPEAKERare so immune to noticing vibrations.

23:20SPEAKER- All of that tissue died years ago.

23:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like been vibrated into insensitivity,

23:24SPEAKERand it's just, it just doesn't, like,

23:27SPEAKERI need like an electroshock or something on there

23:29SPEAKERthat gives me a little like zap, like tems or something.

23:32SPEAKER- There's a little pad of necrotic flesh

23:34SPEAKERaround the place where your phone lives.

23:36SPEAKER- Oh, that sucks, now I don't like that.

23:39SPEAKER- Anyway, I turned into a constant muter

23:42SPEAKERbecause I was around open microphones so much,

23:45SPEAKERand still am. - Yeah, yeah, of course.

23:47SPEAKER- That was the main one for me.

23:47SPEAKERIt was just like, hey, instead of forgetting

23:49SPEAKERto mute this thing before we start recording,

23:50SPEAKERwhat if it's always muted?

23:52SPEAKER- I just did it a minute ago.

23:58SPEAKERI didn't realize that my podcasting profile

24:01SPEAKERon the phone doesn't mute the phone

24:03SPEAKERbecause the phone's always muted usually,

24:04SPEAKERso now I gotta go change some settings after this podcast.

24:07SPEAKER- Yeah, and I was excited initially about the watch

24:09SPEAKERkind of cluing me into more notifications

24:12SPEAKERthan I would miss on my silenced phone,

24:15SPEAKERbut now I'm finding that the notifications,

24:16SPEAKERinstead of getting buried on the phone

24:17SPEAKERare just getting buried on the watch instead.

24:20SPEAKER- I like the interface for clearing them out

24:21SPEAKERon the watch better.

24:22SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause you can just scroll up and hit clear all.

24:25SPEAKER- Oh, well, yeah, but not really.

24:28SPEAKER- Problem solved.

24:29SPEAKER- If you're just deleting them all sight unseen,

24:31SPEAKERthen they're not exactly solving their,

24:32SPEAKERor fulfilling their purpose.

24:34SPEAKER- Brad, I believe that I said problem solved,

24:37SPEAKERand I moved my hand in a little wave to the right.

24:39SPEAKERNo, so I've turned on ringtones again.

24:41SPEAKERIt's nice.

24:42SPEAKERIt turns out the phone makes a little happy noise.

24:43SPEAKERIt's like you're a dishwasher.

24:44SPEAKERI'm like, oh, this is, this, look,

24:46SPEAKERit plays the Galaga song when somebody texts me.

24:48SPEAKERThat's the little, the one up coin sound.

24:50SPEAKERThat's nice.

24:51SPEAKER- You do custom ringtones?

24:52SPEAKER- Hell yeah.

24:53SPEAKER- Oh, I'm trying. - What, you don't?

24:55SPEAKER- I have not done a custom ringtone in about 15 years.

24:59SPEAKER- When you call me, it gives you the little fence sound.

25:02SPEAKER- Wow, okay.

25:03SPEAKER- I mean, you don't ever call me though, so.

25:04SPEAKERNo, it's everybody.

25:05SPEAKERI was just using it as an example.

25:07SPEAKER- You were trying to make me feel special.

25:08SPEAKER- Well, look, you felt special for a minute there,

25:10SPEAKERand then I ruined it.

25:11SPEAKER- I shouldn't have asked, but yeah,

25:13SPEAKERthe last custom ringtone I used was the little,

25:17SPEAKERremember when you start Portal for the first time,

25:19SPEAKERand it's playing that little Muzak version of

25:22SPEAKERStill Alive out of the radio?

25:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:25SPEAKER- That was my phone ringtone for quite some time,

25:27SPEAKERand I pulled that right out of the game install

25:29SPEAKERwhen the game came out,

25:30SPEAKERso that's how I know it's been like 15 years.

25:33SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

25:34SPEAKERLet's see, I do the Galaga one up coin sound,

25:35SPEAKER'cause that's a banger.

25:36SPEAKERI do the Metal Gear Solid codec sound for some stuff.

25:40SPEAKERI do...

25:42SPEAKER- That was the class.

25:43SPEAKERI mean, everybody went through the phase

25:45SPEAKERof Metal Gear codec as text message sound, right?

25:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah, and I didn't even play Metal Gear.

25:50SPEAKERI just liked the sound.

25:51SPEAKERI did 24, the Cisco phone ringtone from 24 for a while.

25:55SPEAKERThe da-da-da-da-dun.

26:01SPEAKERThe Fez one is my favorite of the ringtones, though,

26:02SPEAKER'cause it's such a pleasant sound,

26:03SPEAKERlike that Polytron sound that plays

26:06SPEAKERat the start of the game.

26:07SPEAKERSuch a pleasant sound.

26:12SPEAKERBut yeah, that's it.

26:13SPEAKERMy ringer's back on.

26:14SPEAKERI'm loud and proud.

26:16SPEAKER- Loud and proud.

26:17SPEAKERI'm sure everybody around you is just loving it.

26:20SPEAKER- Well, it turns out there's only two other people

26:21SPEAKERaround me and most of them have their ringers on too,

26:23SPEAKERso we're all in the same hell we've made together.

26:26SPEAKER- God, that household sounds like a real cacophony.

26:29SPEAKER- Look, I could tell you,

26:30SPEAKERif you ever think your house is too quiet,

26:31SPEAKERyou should get a nine-year-old.

26:36SPEAKER- Okay, it finally happened.

26:37SPEAKERI've debased myself.

26:39SPEAKERI knew this was coming.

26:40SPEAKERI've been saying this since day one.

26:42SPEAKERI am voluntarily playing a PlayStation 5 game

26:45SPEAKERon the quality mode.

26:47SPEAKER- Wait, wait, hold on.

26:49SPEAKERI play, look, I'm a quality person.

26:51SPEAKERI play everything on quality mode.

26:54SPEAKERI like a high quality experience.

26:55SPEAKERI'm not playing, look, I'm not playing.

26:57SPEAKERI didn't get a PlayStation 5.

27:00SPEAKERI didn't get some sort of weird knockoff PlayStation.

27:02SPEAKERI got the real PlayStation so I could get quality mode.

27:06SPEAKER- Wait, there's only one PlayStation.

27:07SPEAKER- I mean, there's gotta be like on Alibaba Express

27:10SPEAKERlike a weird PlayStation or something like that, right?

27:13SPEAKERSomebody made a knockoff.

27:14SPEAKER- Yes, yes, knockoff.

27:16SPEAKERMostly compatible PlayStation 5 knockoff.

27:19SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a PlayStation 5 out there too.

27:21SPEAKERThat only plays Clay Fighter versions of your games,

27:24SPEAKERClaymation versions of all your games.

27:25SPEAKERNo, okay, so, wait, I don't understand why quality mode is.

27:29SPEAKERI want it to look good.

27:30SPEAKER- I like frame rate, okay?

27:32SPEAKERI like when games are smooth.

27:34SPEAKERI find that they play better to such a degree

27:37SPEAKERthat I will take the frame rate over just about anything.

27:41SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh, God, okay.

27:43SPEAKERMy world is shaking here.

27:45SPEAKER- I, look, I have done stupid things to get more frames

27:49SPEAKERin competitive games.

27:51SPEAKERAs we all know, frames win games.

27:53SPEAKERIt's a fact. - Proof, yes.

27:54SPEAKER- Frames win games.

27:56SPEAKERSo like I will overclock my memory

27:58SPEAKERto get three extra frames in PUBG.

27:59SPEAKERI just did a stupid huge computer upgrade

28:01SPEAKERso I can get like 500 frames a second in Fortnite.

28:04SPEAKERI have a 360 hertz monitor.

28:05SPEAKERBut when I'm playing single player shit,

28:07SPEAKERI just want it to look really good and shiny and sparkly.

28:09SPEAKERAnd like, I wanna see all the sweat glistening

28:11SPEAKERand like the puddles to be full reflective.

28:13SPEAKERLike I was, I wasn't the one counting puddles in Spider-Man

28:16SPEAKERbut like, yeah, I was puddle curious.

28:18SPEAKER- You were thinking about it.

28:19SPEAKER- I was thinking about puddles, yeah.

28:20SPEAKER- Well, okay, so that's actually kind of the transition

28:22SPEAKERthat we've hit here.

28:23SPEAKERLike I'm still on a 1080p TV, so that's part of it.

28:27SPEAKERSo it's like, why do I, why would I want a 4K mode

28:29SPEAKERwhen I, you know.

28:31SPEAKER- Does it matter on the 1080p TV?

28:33SPEAKER- Generally, most games are rendering above 1080p anyway,

28:35SPEAKEReven on a performance mode these days.

28:36SPEAKERSo I'm still getting some kind of super sampling regardless.

28:41SPEAKERThe disconnect, okay, we're talking about

28:42SPEAKERCallisto Protocol here, that's the game.

28:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

28:45SPEAKER- Is the game that has made the shift for me.

28:47SPEAKER- The follow-up to Player Unknown's Battlegrounds,

28:49SPEAKERBattlegrounds, Player Unknown's Next Game.

28:50SPEAKERIt's my understanding.

28:51SPEAKER- Expanding the rich universe of PUBG.

28:55SPEAKERActually, I think they may have backed away from that.

28:58SPEAKER- I think they backed away from that, yeah.

29:00SPEAKER- I think they may be formally declared at some point,

29:02SPEAKERlike this is not part of the PUBG universe anymore.

29:04SPEAKER- This is like the spiritual successor

29:05SPEAKERto Dead Space though, kind of, right?

29:08SPEAKER- Yes, but you sure do still start out

29:09SPEAKERin an orange prison jumpsuit.

29:11SPEAKERSo some of the DNA remains.

29:15SPEAKERI think I was gonna say though,

29:16SPEAKERis like generally in a lot of cases,

29:18SPEAKERand I spend enough time watching digital Foundry videos

29:21SPEAKERto know this, in most cases,

29:23SPEAKERit was largely like a resolution difference.

29:27SPEAKERLike there might be some very minor differences

29:29SPEAKERin reflection techniques or something like that.

29:31SPEAKERBut like by and large, like Horizon Forbidden West,

29:33SPEAKERfor example, does not look that different qualitatively.

29:37SPEAKEROther, I'm setting aside resolution.

29:39SPEAKERI'm talking about like reflection effects,

29:41SPEAKERshadow details, stuff like that.

29:43SPEAKERNot that different between performance and resolution.

29:48SPEAKERAnd since I'm on a 1080p TV, who cares about resolution?

29:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:52SPEAKER- But they finally did it.

29:54SPEAKERI was not expecting this, but Callisto Protocol,

29:56SPEAKERlike significant ray tracing in this game

29:59SPEAKERon the quality mode, like quite significant,

30:02SPEAKERlike kind of more than just like,

30:06SPEAKERmore than just the really shiny reflection stuff

30:08SPEAKERthat you expect in a very limited capacity on consoles.

30:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:12SPEAKER- Like they're using some kind of bounce lighting

30:14SPEAKERand reflection stuff kind of across the board.

30:16SPEAKERThey're doing ray traced shadows all over the place.

30:19SPEAKER- Is it UE5?

30:21SPEAKER- It's UE4.

30:22SPEAKER- Oh wow.

30:23SPEAKER- So they added a lot of this stuff themselves.

30:24SPEAKER- They're using Global Elimination or something like that.

30:25SPEAKERThey're doing, wow, that's cool.

30:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so they added a lot of this tech themselves to UE4.

30:31SPEAKERI knew this day was coming.

30:33SPEAKERAnd finally, here's a game that looks so much better

30:35SPEAKERin quality mode on the console that I can't resist.

30:39SPEAKERBut I feel filthy.

30:40SPEAKER- It's on my list to check out.

30:41SPEAKERSo, okay, I'm curious.

30:42SPEAKER'Cause you know, all of the stuff that I've seen

30:44SPEAKERon like Digital Foundry or your game or whatever about this

30:47SPEAKERis about image quality and performance

30:50SPEAKERis almost always focused on 4K people.

30:52SPEAKERAnd since we're both 1080p TV people still,

30:54SPEAKERI assumed that I was getting essentially no performance loss

30:57SPEAKERby using the quality mode

31:00SPEAKERbecause I'm only rendering out at 1080p regardless.

31:03SPEAKERSo I figured if I was scaling down or whatever,

31:05SPEAKERit was no big deal.

31:06SPEAKER- Oh no, those targets,

31:07SPEAKERthe performance targets are locked on console games

31:09SPEAKERgenerally like the scaler, the console scaler

31:12SPEAKERafter the image is rendered will scale it down,

31:14SPEAKERbut like that's not gonna have any bearing on.

31:16SPEAKERIt's the game is not gonna take into account

31:20SPEAKERwhat resolution the console was outputting at.

31:22SPEAKERLike those are completely separate.

31:24SPEAKER- Yeah, but I assumed that they were flipping features

31:27SPEAKERon and off that were probably fill rate dependent

31:29SPEAKERbased on the number of pixels being drawn.

31:31SPEAKER- Like that's entirely handled at the game level

31:34SPEAKERin whatever bespoke like quality performance kind of dichotomy

31:38SPEAKERthey set up in the game.

31:40SPEAKERBut if you're talking about setting it to 1080p

31:42SPEAKERin PS5 system settings,

31:43SPEAKERthat has no bearing on how the game runs.

31:45SPEAKER- Really?

31:46SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely not.

31:48SPEAKERSo like- - Wow, that is bonkers.

31:50SPEAKER- Oh yes. (laughs)

31:51SPEAKEROkay, I think we're on a voyage of discovery here.

31:54SPEAKER- I had no, I had like the fact that this is opaque to me

31:57SPEAKERis really, really worrisome for like how they communicate

32:00SPEAKERthis to normal human beings.

32:01SPEAKER- Uh-huh, yeah.

32:02SPEAKER- Yes, but yes, like you could have your PS5 set to 1080p

32:06SPEAKERin the system, but if you put it on like 4K quality mode,

32:09SPEAKERyou're still going to be rendering everything

32:12SPEAKERas if it was outputting to a 4K TV

32:13SPEAKERand just downscaling to 1080p after the fact.

32:16SPEAKERLike you're not getting,

32:17SPEAKERthere's no performance considerations there

32:19SPEAKERor like graphical features

32:20SPEAKERor that's all handled inside the game.

32:22SPEAKER- Well, so just to be clear,

32:23SPEAKERthat is completely the antithesis of how it works on PC

32:26SPEAKERwhere if you want to generate, generally speaking,

32:29SPEAKERif you want to get better performance

32:30SPEAKERin the pre-ray tracing world especially,

32:32SPEAKERyou just turn down the number of pixels

32:34SPEAKERthat the video card has to render

32:35SPEAKERand all of a sudden things will be faster.

32:37SPEAKER- Yeah, well, so that's what you're doing in the game,

32:39SPEAKERbut they always obfuscate that between, like I said,

32:41SPEAKERsome natural language options like performance mode

32:43SPEAKERor performance RT mode or quality mode or resolution mode,

32:47SPEAKERbut like the game renders at its internal resolution

32:51SPEAKERregardless of what the console is spitting out to a TV.

32:53SPEAKER- I had no idea.

32:56SPEAKER- I'm glad to have filled in a little knowledge here.

33:00SPEAKERI'm starting to maybe agree with the people who said

33:02SPEAKERthat console should just stick to one thing,

33:05SPEAKERforget about it.

33:07SPEAKER- So I played like Ratchet and Clank

33:09SPEAKERand I think Spider-Man on the performance RT mode,

33:16SPEAKERwhich was like 60 frames a second ray traced.

33:19SPEAKERI had no idea that I wasn't saving.

33:22SPEAKERI'm completely flummoxed by this, this is bonkers.

33:25SPEAKER- This, you know what?

33:27SPEAKERThis seems like kind of a mess.

33:28SPEAKER- We should maybe do a full episode about this one.

33:33SPEAKERLike I'm curious, maybe this is our excuse

33:35SPEAKERto get Digital Foundry people on and talk to them

33:37SPEAKERand let them nerd out about it.

33:38SPEAKER- This seems like a great test case for that.

33:41SPEAKERBut it's exciting.

33:42SPEAKERI mean, like UE5 games aren't even on the market yet,

33:44SPEAKERbut here we are with like last-gen engine tech

33:47SPEAKERbeing modified in a way that's pushing the consoles

33:49SPEAKERfinally a little bit, it's pretty exciting.

33:51SPEAKER- Well, so like UE5 stuff, I'm really excited.

33:54SPEAKERLike having noodled with it a little bit,

33:56SPEAKERUE5 stuff is really exciting.

33:58SPEAKERLike it makes a lot of this stuff a lot easier

34:01SPEAKERin weird ways than it is with the UE4.

34:05SPEAKERLike Global Illumination is literally going to change

34:08SPEAKERthe way people make games.

34:10SPEAKER- Totally, totally.

34:11SPEAKERLike I feel like people are not believing me

34:13SPEAKERwhen I say this necessarily across the board,

34:15SPEAKERbut games we're at, we're on the verge

34:18SPEAKERof an inflection point in the way the games

34:20SPEAKERon these consoles are going to look.

34:22SPEAKER- Well, and it's one of those things it's like,

34:24SPEAKERremember the old days when there would be like,

34:26SPEAKERwhen there was a really visible difference

34:28SPEAKERbetween early gen games and late gen games

34:30SPEAKERon the same generation.

34:31SPEAKERLike this is what's going to provide that jump

34:33SPEAKERon this generation.

34:34SPEAKER- I think like I always, I tend to think of it

34:36SPEAKERas the Gears of War moment.

34:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:39SPEAKER- Because Gears of War is just taking longer

34:41SPEAKERthis generation for a variety of external factors,

34:43SPEAKERbut Gears of War, if you remember,

34:44SPEAKERcame out about a year after the 360 shipped

34:47SPEAKERand holy shit, you put Perfect Dark up next to Gears of War.

34:51SPEAKERThere is no contests.

34:53SPEAKERLike I distinctly remember that game coming out

34:55SPEAKERand going like, oh, this is why we have these new consoles.

34:58SPEAKER- Look, everybody's so thick.

34:59SPEAKER- Yes.

35:00SPEAKER- How did they make them so thick?

35:01SPEAKERWe couldn't have done this on the last generation.

35:03SPEAKER(upbeat music)

35:06SPEAKERBrad, I have a confession.

35:08SPEAKER- Go on.

35:09SPEAKER- I'm finding that it's getting harder to learn new things.

35:14SPEAKER- Can't teach an old will.

35:17SPEAKER- Wow. - I'm sorry.

35:17SPEAKER- Thanks. - Go ahead.

35:18SPEAKER- Damn son. - Go ahead.

35:19SPEAKER- No, it's okay.

35:20SPEAKERSo we talked about the guitar a couple of weeks ago,

35:24SPEAKERbut the guitar is a direct response to this.

35:27SPEAKERIt's like my subconscious saying,

35:28SPEAKERyo, you need to work on some stuff

35:30SPEAKERthat you've never done before

35:30SPEAKERto make your brain more plastic again,

35:33SPEAKERbecause I'm getting stupid up here.

35:35SPEAKERYeah, I gotta get stretchy.

35:37SPEAKER- You need some stretchy gray matter.

35:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so I got that,

35:42SPEAKERI got the keyboardio 100, model 100,

35:46SPEAKERthe columnar split keyboard and I set it up

35:50SPEAKERand I did it for about 15 minutes,

35:53SPEAKER15 minutes a day for the first week or so.

35:56SPEAKERAnd then I got real busy at work and I was like,

35:57SPEAKERI can't deal with this.

35:59SPEAKERLearning a new keyboard right now is too hard.

36:01SPEAKER- Can't afford the downtime.

36:02SPEAKERI think of this as the VIM phenomenon.

36:05SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

36:07SPEAKER- I would love to switch to VIM for a variety of reasons

36:09SPEAKERif I ever had the time to get up to speed on it,

36:11SPEAKERbut the amount of drag it creates on your workflow

36:14SPEAKERin the interim until you're good at it

36:16SPEAKERis just too much to deal with when you're this busy.

36:19SPEAKERAnd so you never actually get around to learning it.

36:22SPEAKERAnd so I continue to use nano, like a commoner.

36:30SPEAKER- Wow, Brad, look, we can edit this part out if you want,

36:35SPEAKERit's okay, we don't have to put this in there.

36:38SPEAKER- Go on.

36:39SPEAKER- So, okay, so part of my strategy

36:42SPEAKERfor the last part of this year,

36:43SPEAKERand it's gonna be my 2023 strategy

36:45SPEAKERis to make myself learn new shit all the time.

36:48SPEAKERI bought Affinity Pro, Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer

36:53SPEAKERin that they had a sale where you get, buy it,

36:55SPEAKERreally you pay them like a hundred bucks

36:57SPEAKERand you get all platforms, all software forever,

37:01SPEAKERor until this version is done basically,

37:02SPEAKERwhich would seem like a pretty good deal to me.

37:05SPEAKERAnd I've been using that instead of Photoshop for every,

37:07SPEAKERlike there's a couple of things

37:08SPEAKERthat I have to use Photoshop for because it worked,

37:09SPEAKERbecause we do, we have a bunch of like templates

37:11SPEAKERand stuff that are layered and all that, I need those.

37:15SPEAKERBut for the most part, Affinity has been dope

37:17SPEAKERand it's a pretty easy transition.

37:19SPEAKERI'm committing,

37:20SPEAKERI'm not doing any more Premiere Pro videos this year,

37:23SPEAKERI'm doing a DaVinci Resolve from here on out.

37:25SPEAKER- Great.

37:28SPEAKER- At some point this year,

37:29SPEAKERI'm gonna figure out how to get off of Audition

37:33SPEAKERfor the podcast.

37:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm just, I'm going to say, I mean,

37:36SPEAKERat the top level, I am way into your philosophy

37:38SPEAKERof always be learning new things

37:40SPEAKERand I am going to take a cue from you officially.

37:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:43SPEAKER- But then secondarily,

37:44SPEAKERI'm also way into your effort to get off of Adobe.

37:47SPEAKER- Look, I think these are both laudable goals.

37:49SPEAKERAs the person who made the goals

37:51SPEAKERand the person who has to do them,

37:52SPEAKERit's been a two-year process to get off of Adobe so far.

37:55SPEAKER- Yeah, and like, I mean, I don't know about you,

37:57SPEAKERI don't know if it's more of the pricing,

37:59SPEAKERthe ongoing pricing model or the quality of the software

38:01SPEAKERor all of the above, but...

38:03SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the general shitification of the software,

38:06SPEAKERhonestly, is it?

38:07SPEAKERLike it's the fact that every year they add new features

38:13SPEAKERthat are really cool,

38:13SPEAKERbut the main thing that I use on the day to day

38:15SPEAKERis like appreciably worse each time

38:18SPEAKERthey release a new version for like three months.

38:21SPEAKER- Or stagnant, if nothing else.

38:23SPEAKER- I mean, stagnant would be better

38:25SPEAKERexcept for that I'm paying 500 bucks, 600,

38:28SPEAKERwell, I'm paying 300 bucks here

38:29SPEAKER'cause I always call them and complain.

38:30SPEAKERBut the point is, like, I'm paying a lot of money every year

38:35SPEAKERfor this software that I use for work.

38:36SPEAKERIt's like a valid business expense.

38:38SPEAKERWe have to have, I mean, we don't have to have it.

38:40SPEAKERThere are other options now.

38:42SPEAKERI want to get clean, that's what I'm saying.

38:45SPEAKER- Understandable.

38:46SPEAKER- And I also want to, like the guitar has been really fun.

38:50SPEAKERLearning new stuff has been fun.

38:51SPEAKERGene's been taking pottery class.

38:52SPEAKERI might start a pottery class.

38:53SPEAKERThat seems like it'd be neat.

38:55SPEAKERUse your hands for stuff.

38:56SPEAKERI don't know.

38:57SPEAKERLet's get crazy.

38:58SPEAKERLet's learn all sorts of new stuff, like Vim.

39:00SPEAKER- Oh, man, Vim, 2023, the year of Vim.

39:04SPEAKER- Yeah, something nobody's ever tried before.

39:06SPEAKERHey, I'm gonna switch to Vim, guys.

39:09SPEAKERI'm never switching to Vim.

39:10SPEAKER(upbeat music)

39:13SPEAKER- Brad, I lost another fucking controller at somebody's house.

39:16SPEAKER- Another?

39:17SPEAKEROkay, I've never lost one period at someone's house.

39:19SPEAKERI need to know how this is happening.

39:20SPEAKER- Okay, so at some point in the past,

39:23SPEAKERI had three Nintendo Switch Pro controllers,

39:26SPEAKERwhich are not inexpensive controllers.

39:28SPEAKER- Damn, that's a, wow, yeah.

39:30SPEAKER- Well, there's three of us.

39:31SPEAKERWe play Mario Kart.

39:32SPEAKERWe play, you know, we play the Smash.

39:34SPEAKERWe play Animal Crossing.

39:36SPEAKEROh yeah, I mean, all games that one can play

39:38SPEAKERwith multiple controllers on one device.

39:40SPEAKER- Canonically, the best Switch controller.

39:42SPEAKERI mean, like the Joy-Cons are what they are for portable,

39:45SPEAKERbut if you're using a Joy-Con on the couch.

39:49SPEAKER- I like, look, I played most of Breath of the Wild

39:51SPEAKERwith the Joy-Cons separated on either side of my leg

39:53SPEAKERso I didn't hurt my wrists, right?

39:55SPEAKERLike I get that.

39:55SPEAKER- I can't, it feels so unnatural to have,

40:00SPEAKERugh, I'm like cringing thinking about it,

40:02SPEAKERlike having both arms. - Put your hands

40:03SPEAKERup behind your head.

40:04SPEAKER- Both arms just limp at your sides on the couch

40:08SPEAKERwith your thumbs twitching, there's something.

40:11SPEAKER- It's really comfortable.

40:12SPEAKER- Unsettling.

40:13SPEAKER- Look, you wanna hear something worse?

40:14SPEAKERI did it while I was wearing a slanket or an Ooty

40:16SPEAKERor something and so I had my hands inside the blanket

40:19SPEAKERwith the two controllers.

40:20SPEAKERIt looked, it probably looked filthy.

40:22SPEAKERAnyway.

40:22SPEAKER- Slanket is exactly the kind of perverse term

40:25SPEAKERthat you would use along with that posture of video gaming.

40:28SPEAKER- It's a blanket with sleeves, Brad.

40:31SPEAKERSo, okay, so the thing is you go over to people's houses,

40:36SPEAKERyou play the games, sometimes my daughter goes over

40:40SPEAKERto a house for a sleepover.

40:42SPEAKERShe's like, hey, they don't have enough Switch controllers,

40:44SPEAKERcan I take the Switch controller?

40:45SPEAKERSure. - Oh no.

40:47SPEAKER- I'm actually, oh, they, can we take two?

40:50SPEAKERYes, absolutely, you can take two.

40:52SPEAKERDon't forget to bring the fucking controller back.

40:56SPEAKERYou're never gonna guess what happened.

40:58SPEAKER- Go on.

40:59SPEAKER- She didn't bring the controller back.

41:00SPEAKERWe came back with one, but not two.

41:02SPEAKERShe's like, I'm pretty sure I only took one.

41:03SPEAKERI was like, you absolutely fucking Lutely took two,

41:05SPEAKERI put them in the bag myself.

41:06SPEAKERWe are now down another Switch controller,

41:09SPEAKERso we only have one Switch Pro controller in this house now.

41:11SPEAKER- Wait, surely they can be retrieved.

41:14SPEAKER- You would think that.

41:15SPEAKER- What, what's the obstacle?

41:17SPEAKER- Have you seen the, like, I'm gonna go and tell you,

41:19SPEAKERwhen you have, when you're a parent,

41:21SPEAKERif you get weird about, kids forget shit all the time,

41:24SPEAKERit happens, right, it's fine.

41:27SPEAKERPeople who don't play video games don't know

41:28SPEAKERhow much controllers cost, so they don't think

41:31SPEAKERabout controllers as a thing of value,

41:33SPEAKERthey think about it as the thing that came

41:34SPEAKERwith their Atari 2600 40 years ago.

41:36SPEAKER- That seems easily rectified, though.

41:39SPEAKER- There's a certain amount of chill you have to be

41:42SPEAKERabout this shit, or else you become the crazy parent.

41:44SPEAKERI've watched it happen, I don't wanna be the crazy parent.

41:49SPEAKERSo sometimes, you just suck it up.

41:52SPEAKERAnd I've been, this is one where I'm having to suck it up,

41:55SPEAKERI've gone over to people's houses to play Smash

41:57SPEAKERand other games before, and like, hey,

41:59SPEAKERyou have a bunch of controllers, can you bring some controllers?

42:01SPEAKERSure, and then I just forget to bring one,

42:02SPEAKER'cause maybe there's some beer involved,

42:04SPEAKERand like, you have a little bit too much fun,

42:06SPEAKERyou're playing the games with the adults,

42:07SPEAKERand you're like, oh, I'll get it later,

42:08SPEAKERand then you just forget, and then it becomes,

42:10SPEAKERit's over there for so long that you're like,

42:11SPEAKERoh, fuck, I can't ask about it now,

42:13SPEAKER'cause it's been like six months.

42:14SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, sure, statute of limitations, I guess.

42:17SPEAKER- Yeah, so this is the second Switch Pro controller

42:20SPEAKERwe've lost to either me drinking and playing Smash,

42:23SPEAKERor child mistakes.

42:26SPEAKER- I feel like, just for people who don't know,

42:28SPEAKERwe should mention these things are like 70 bucks.

42:31SPEAKER- I bought one of 'em on sale, for what it's worth,

42:33SPEAKERbut yes. - Okay, that's fair.

42:34SPEAKER- You know what you should start doing is,

42:36SPEAKERthey make enough different versions of that thing.

42:39SPEAKERYou should just get the ones that look weird,

42:41SPEAKERand then it will be pretty obvious which ones are yours.

42:43SPEAKER- This is it, I bought one of the iM8Bit Switch controllers

42:47SPEAKERwith the little dock.

42:48SPEAKER- Oh, you straight up went off brand, interesting.

42:50SPEAKERI mean, even if you stay in the Nintendo realm,

42:52SPEAKERthey make like ones with different colored grips,

42:54SPEAKERand they make like Animal Crossing branded ones,

42:56SPEAKERand if you just stick to like non-standard looks,

42:59SPEAKERI think that might help.

43:01SPEAKER- I feel like in order to do that now,

43:03SPEAKER'cause there's not a current colorway on brand

43:06SPEAKERthat is not standard available,

43:09SPEAKERI'd have to pay like $120 for the controller,

43:11SPEAKERwhich is maybe not a good idea,

43:13SPEAKERgiven how rapidly we lose them in this house.

43:16SPEAKER- Hey, you like the mod stuff,

43:17SPEAKERit could give some aftermarket chills.

43:18SPEAKER- No, that's a bad, look, the iM8Bit one

43:22SPEAKERhas been pretty good so far, it has a little dock,

43:24SPEAKERso it charges on the, it's always charged, I like it.

43:27SPEAKERI can plug it into the PC if I want,

43:28SPEAKERI can hook it up to Bluetooth with the PC,

43:30SPEAKERit has that little, has their little brick dongle,

43:32SPEAKERthere's a door on the bottom of the dock

43:34SPEAKERthat has a little brick dongle in it,

43:35SPEAKERseems pretty good so far.

43:36SPEAKERHaven't actually used it,

43:37SPEAKER'cause I don't play Switch games ever, it turns out.

43:39SPEAKERSo probably a mistake in retrospect

43:41SPEAKERto invest in a Switch controller at this point in 2022,

43:45SPEAKERbut I hate playing Mario Kart

43:47SPEAKERwhen we play Mario Kart as a family with the Joy-Cons, so.

43:50SPEAKER- Fair, fair, I was going to point out

43:52SPEAKERthat there might be better controllers on the horizon, but.

43:57SPEAKER- Have you really never lost a controller someplace,

43:59SPEAKERyou've never forgotten one?

44:00SPEAKER- No, I don't really tend to take them around,

44:03SPEAKERwell, let's be fair, my line of work controllers are,

44:07SPEAKERthe surplus controllers are kind of everywhere.

44:10SPEAKERI mean, there were like,

44:12SPEAKERthere were dozens to hundreds of controllers

44:14SPEAKERin the various offices I have worked in.

44:16SPEAKER- I mean, okay, yes, I had an Infinity of Xbox 360

44:20SPEAKERand Xbox One and Xbox Series controllers,

44:24SPEAKER'cause like we had a bunch of Oculus dev kits

44:27SPEAKERand every Oculus dev kit came with an Xbox One controller.

44:31SPEAKERSo I never need to buy an Xbox One controller again,

44:34SPEAKERlike I'm good.

44:35SPEAKER- There was a time at GameSpot

44:37SPEAKERwhere there was a gigantic bin full of Xbox 360 controllers.

44:41SPEAKERI mean, there were dozens of them in there.

44:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a lot of Xbox 360 controllers

44:45SPEAKER'cause you had a lot of Xbox 360s for reasons

44:46SPEAKERwe don't need to get into here.

44:50SPEAKERBut yeah, the PlayStation controllers,

44:53SPEAKERSwitch controllers always have been precious,

44:54SPEAKERso I don't know.

44:57SPEAKER- Colorways, man, you gotta make your mark on those things.

45:01SPEAKERPlant your flag, stamp your stamp.

45:04SPEAKERThat's a blue Xbox controller.

45:05SPEAKER- I'm the blue controller guy.

45:06SPEAKER- Okay, hey, look, everybody needs a call, wow.

45:09SPEAKEREverybody needs a calling card, everybody needs a thing.

45:12SPEAKER- Well, this is the thing.

45:13SPEAKERI went to Gary's house a few weeks ago,

45:15SPEAKERwe were playing games,

45:16SPEAKERdidn't take my own controller that time.

45:18SPEAKERAnd they have color-coded controllers for the whole family.

45:22SPEAKER- I see, that's a great idea. - Mom has one color,

45:23SPEAKERGary has one color, the kiddo has one color.

45:25SPEAKERIt makes everything straight forward,

45:27SPEAKERso you just have your controller and you're done.

45:28SPEAKER- Like the family that-

45:30SPEAKER- Controller colors.

45:31SPEAKER- Game, the family that controllers together.

45:35SPEAKER- Doesn't lose controllers at people's birthday parties.

45:38SPEAKER- I mean, it doesn't quite rhyme, but I'll take it.

45:40SPEAKER(upbeat music)

45:43SPEAKER- If you told me that I would be gathering around

45:46SPEAKERthe living room TV to watch an Atari video game at night

45:50SPEAKERin 2022 with my family,

45:54SPEAKERI would have told you you were crazy.

45:56SPEAKER- I think a lot of things fall into that category these days,

45:58SPEAKERbut yes, that's a big win.

46:00SPEAKEREverybody's watching the Atari show.

46:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that Atari 50 game,

46:04SPEAKERI think you guys talked about on "Nextlander" a lot,

46:06SPEAKERbut it is- - Incredible.

46:10SPEAKER- What a treat it is to open that thing up.

46:12SPEAKERAnd like, I barely, I played the games,

46:16SPEAKERI played some of the games quite a bit.

46:17SPEAKERI played a lot of "Cavans of Mars."

46:18SPEAKERI played "Vector Sector,"

46:19SPEAKERthe thing that our friend Jeremy Williams made.

46:22SPEAKERThat's the kind of tribute game to all their old vector

46:25SPEAKERgames, like "The Tempest" and "The Battle Zones"

46:27SPEAKERand "The Asteroids" is incredible.

46:30SPEAKERLike it is so good.

46:32SPEAKERBut like the other night I loaded up, I was like,

46:34SPEAKER"Hey Gina, you grew up with the 2600,

46:36SPEAKERyou had one of these when you were a kid?"

46:37SPEAKERShe's like, "Yeah, absolutely."

46:39SPEAKERLet's listen, and we just watched documentaries.

46:40SPEAKERWe watched the little documentary clips

46:42SPEAKERfor like an hour, hour and a half.

46:44SPEAKERAnd like enjoyed the story of the first,

46:48SPEAKERlike the first space war cabinets being tracked down

46:51SPEAKERin Dixon, California.

46:52SPEAKER- Oh, that one's so touching.

46:54SPEAKER- That one's good.

46:55SPEAKERThe, "Hey, we're Atari guys getting high

46:59SPEAKERwhile they were making video games."

47:00SPEAKERYes, 100% is so good.

47:02SPEAKER- That is, I mean, if you're gonna put one video clip

47:05SPEAKERof talking to old Atari dudes into that thing,

47:08SPEAKERit's that one, it's "Tell me about the drugs."

47:10SPEAKERI mean, it's legendary.

47:11SPEAKERLike the cocaine and hot tub stuff

47:14SPEAKERwas such pervasive Atari apocrypha

47:16SPEAKERthat they needed to get somebody on the record

47:17SPEAKERto talk about it.

47:19SPEAKER- Well, I like, it's the kind of, it's the kind of,

47:22SPEAKERlike when the guy comes back, he's like,

47:24SPEAKER"Oh yeah, we were doing drugs all the time."

47:26SPEAKERLike, you know that whoever was doing the shoot

47:28SPEAKERhad to just be like, "Yeah, fist bump.

47:31SPEAKERYes, we got it, guys."

47:33SPEAKER- This is the golden material.

47:35SPEAKER- Yeah, but like, it's like, those are the high hits.

47:38SPEAKERIt's all, it's all so fun.

47:40SPEAKERLike listen to the stories about them making Fire Truck,

47:44SPEAKERthe Fire Truck Simulator game where it had two wheels

47:46SPEAKERwhere one person stands behind the other person.

47:49SPEAKERIt's such a, like, I've never even seen that cabinet before.

47:52SPEAKERI think it comes to California,

47:53SPEAKERthat somebody brings one to California extreme sometime.

47:55SPEAKERBut yeah, it is, it has been an absolute delight

47:59SPEAKERand I've never in a million years would have expected

48:01SPEAKERthat my wife who, you know, loves games,

48:05SPEAKERbut not at the level that you and I do, I think,

48:08SPEAKERdoesn't, is an obsessive, was like,

48:13SPEAKER"Hey, can we watch that one now?

48:14SPEAKERCan we watch that documentary now?"

48:17SPEAKER- There's something about that footage

48:18SPEAKERand this is hard to qualify,

48:20SPEAKERbut those guys are like kind of just old enough

48:22SPEAKERthat they're in like demeanor and attitude and stuff.

48:27SPEAKERThey just feel like they're from a little bit

48:29SPEAKERof a different era, you know?

48:31SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

48:31SPEAKER- Yeah, not in a bad way.

48:32SPEAKERLike sometimes you say that you mean like,

48:34SPEAKER"Hey, oh yeah, I'm not racist, but."

48:36SPEAKER- No, no, no, I didn't mean that at all.

48:38SPEAKER- Yeah, no, no, no, I know, I just wanted to-

48:39SPEAKER- Just like the, just their thought processes

48:41SPEAKERand the way they speak and stuff, you know,

48:42SPEAKERit's just a generational thing.

48:43SPEAKERIt's that they were, well, they're probably born

48:46SPEAKERin the forties, if I had to guess,

48:48SPEAKERforties to early fifties for the most part.

48:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I would guess they're like my parents' age

48:53SPEAKERor 10 or 15 years younger at the younger,

48:56SPEAKERthe young people were 15 years younger probably.

48:58SPEAKER- I guess like, again, this is hard to explain,

49:02SPEAKERbut it's something about like previous generations

49:04SPEAKERof nerds, I guess, like.

49:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:07SPEAKER- It was like the people that developed the Unix, you know,

49:08SPEAKERor the people that created the first Atari games or whatever.

49:11SPEAKERIt's like they conceptually they're into the same shit

49:14SPEAKERthat we are, but they're from a different era,

49:16SPEAKERso it takes a different form, does that make sense?

49:18SPEAKER- Well, yeah, like the people that were like,

49:21SPEAKERwe grew up writing basic code and those guys

49:23SPEAKERwere growing up soldering circuits together

49:25SPEAKERand making the weird shit come up on the oscilloscope, right?

49:27SPEAKER- That's exactly it, there's like a shared passion

49:31SPEAKERand shared philosophy, but the particulars are different,

49:34SPEAKERyou know, and like the just kind of the things

49:36SPEAKERthat they think about and talk about are slightly different.

49:38SPEAKERYou know, it's just, it's a fun little window into history.

49:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and like the different approaches,

49:43SPEAKERlike some people, the thing that's interesting

49:46SPEAKERabout those Atari games especially is like,

49:48SPEAKERthey designed the game first and then they figured out

49:50SPEAKERwhat the marketing for it was, so like, it's not like,

49:52SPEAKERI mean, Lunar Lander is probably the obvious, not example,

49:55SPEAKERbut like Yars Revenge, the thing about Yars Revenge,

49:58SPEAKERthey talk about it a lot and it's really,

49:59SPEAKERit's an interesting conversation, how that came about.

50:02SPEAKERAnd the guy was like, I just wanted to make cool colors

50:04SPEAKERand lights happen on the screen as fast as I could

50:06SPEAKERand see what happened and like one of the,

50:10SPEAKERlike it turns out Yars Revenge, even in 2022,

50:13SPEAKERstill a banger, that is a good game.

50:15SPEAKER- I like to imagine that the entire genesis of Yars Revenge

50:17SPEAKERwas so that they'd have an excuse to have somebody paint

50:19SPEAKERthat disgusting gigantic fly on the cover.

50:23SPEAKER- I see, I didn't, when I was playing Yars Revenge as a kid,

50:27SPEAKERwhich I didn't, I only one friend had Yars Revenge

50:30SPEAKERand nobody really understood how to play it.

50:33SPEAKERI wasn't sure whether you were the fly

50:34SPEAKERor whether the fly was the monster you were going to get

50:36SPEAKERthe bomb from and I didn't understand why you had to touch

50:39SPEAKERthe monster 'cause usually you don't touch the monster

50:41SPEAKERin video games, that's usually a bad idea.

50:42SPEAKERIt's like, it's confusing.

50:44SPEAKER- You know, I feel like sitting down in front of a 2600 game

50:47SPEAKERfor the first time and not immediately understanding

50:49SPEAKERwhat it is you're controlling or how

50:51SPEAKERis a pretty common experience.

50:53SPEAKERLike which one of these am I actually moving?

50:55SPEAKERCan't quite tell how my joystick movements are mapping

50:58SPEAKERto what's happening on screen.

50:59SPEAKER- I really, really, okay, so a couple of things

51:02SPEAKERI wanna make sure we hit.

51:03SPEAKEREverybody should play Vector Sector

51:04SPEAKERor watch somebody play Vector Sector

51:05SPEAKER'cause it is incredible.

51:07SPEAKERThe other remakes that they did,

51:08SPEAKERlike the re-imagined games that they did

51:10SPEAKERare also all freaking like the Yars Revenge remake

51:13SPEAKERis the other one I spent the most time with

51:15SPEAKERprobably at this point, but they're all good.

51:18SPEAKERThe other part is like, I hope that this thing sells

51:23SPEAKERwell enough that Activision and other places come to them

51:27SPEAKERand are like, hey, we would like you to do this

51:29SPEAKERfor Activision 'cause like the time to tell these stories

51:32SPEAKERis now 'cause the folks that made these games

51:34SPEAKERare not getting younger.

51:35SPEAKERLike some of them have already passed

51:38SPEAKERand they're at a place now where it's been long enough

51:42SPEAKERthat most of the people are able to be honest

51:44SPEAKERabout how it actually worked, which is the best time.

51:48SPEAKERLike it's the best time to have these conversations.

51:50SPEAKER- They're all retired, they have nothing more to fear.

51:52SPEAKERThey can just lay it all out there.

51:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:55SPEAKER- Dude, yes, I would, nothing would make me happier

51:59SPEAKERthan Digital Eclipse having to spin up

52:00SPEAKERan entire new business unit to handle all of the business

52:03SPEAKERcoming in from other companies that want them doing

52:05SPEAKERthe same thing because man, I just,

52:07SPEAKERI want these to happen constantly.

52:10SPEAKER- Well, and like the thing about this,

52:12SPEAKERand just to be clear, we have a lot of friends,

52:13SPEAKERDan Ammerick and Drew and Chris Koehler

52:17SPEAKERand Michael who's been on the show.

52:20SPEAKER- Yeah, but like it's like divorced from that.

52:23SPEAKERLike I, you know, people take it as this however they want,

52:28SPEAKERlike the personal connection has nothing to do

52:30SPEAKERwith the quality and depth of this product.

52:34SPEAKERThe testament to this is that the entire,

52:36SPEAKERalmost the entirety of my connection to the Atari 2600

52:39SPEAKERis trying to play the "Empire Strikes Back" game

52:42SPEAKERand pitfall on Joe Patterson's Atari 2600

52:46SPEAKERat his sixth birthday party

52:48SPEAKERand like having to fight the other kids for time

52:50SPEAKERto the point that finally when they had outside

52:51SPEAKERto do something, I was just like,

52:52SPEAKERI'm gonna stay inside and play the Atari 2600

52:54SPEAKERand nobody else is here, I can take three turns at a time.

52:57SPEAKER- You know, I mean, this wouldn't matter to anybody

53:00SPEAKERbut the person talking about it,

53:01SPEAKERbut it would almost be fun to sit down

53:02SPEAKERand go through everybody's recollection of like the names

53:05SPEAKERof the kids that you were friends with

53:06SPEAKERso you could play the game that they had

53:08SPEAKERand what game it was.

53:11SPEAKERI certainly have a handful of those in my background

53:14SPEAKERof like, oh yeah, I'll go play at that kid's house

53:17SPEAKER'cause he just got "Super Mario Brothers 2."

53:19SPEAKER- Yeah, like the man, when I won't say who it was,

53:23SPEAKERbut when somebody got "Legend of Zelda"

53:25SPEAKERand it was still hard to get those cartridges

53:27SPEAKERand also it was like $70 or something really expensive.

53:31SPEAKER- Yes.

53:32SPEAKER- That kid was very popular for afterschool play dates.

53:37SPEAKERAnd then there was also always the kid that wouldn't share

53:41SPEAKERthat was just like, no, this is my save, I'm playing.

53:45SPEAKER- You can come over and watch me play.

53:46SPEAKER- You come over and watch me play

53:48SPEAKERand it's like the worst '80s kid movie villain of all time.

53:53SPEAKERBut yeah, it's like, I would love to see this happen

53:56SPEAKERfor like classic Midway games.

53:58SPEAKERI'd love this for, I feel like Ed Boon is aware

54:05SPEAKERof the history and the value of that and all those things.

54:09SPEAKER- Oh yes, we just passed our right around 30th anniversary

54:15SPEAKERof the first MK and he and John Tobias

54:17SPEAKERhave both been posting a bunch of old making of footage

54:21SPEAKERof them in the studio with the actors

54:22SPEAKERand logo treatments and there's been,

54:25SPEAKERtheir Twitter feeds are full

54:26SPEAKERof amazing archival stuff right now.

54:28SPEAKER- But so the thing that shocked me is how few people

54:32SPEAKERactually worked on the Atari 2600 thing full,

54:34SPEAKERlike it was like three people full time

54:37SPEAKERduring the time they were making it, right?

54:38SPEAKER- Like most of those games were made by like one person,

54:40SPEAKERright, or maybe two.

54:42SPEAKER- Yeah, and like the footage was collected obviously

54:46SPEAKERand edited and packaged up and that like the,

54:49SPEAKERthe brilliant thing about it is putting the whole thing

54:51SPEAKERon the timeline rather than just giving you

54:53SPEAKERa list of stuff to look at 'cause it tells the story,

54:56SPEAKERlike handholds you through the story in a way

54:58SPEAKERthat for somebody like me who kind of doesn't give a shit

55:00SPEAKERabout Atari stuff before this,

55:02SPEAKERit like made it really approachable.

55:04SPEAKER- Yeah, and I made the point on the next Lander podcast.

55:07SPEAKERIt guarantees, put it in the narrative format,

55:09SPEAKERguarantees that you see all of the extra material,

55:11SPEAKERall of the archival stuff because like they've been filling

55:15SPEAKERthese collections they've been doing

55:16SPEAKERwith amazing stuff like this,

55:17SPEAKERbut it was always just in a bonus menu somewhere

55:20SPEAKERand there were so much of it that it was kind of like hard

55:22SPEAKERto make your way through all of it.

55:24SPEAKERBut in this case, it's like, oh, I want to see the whole

55:26SPEAKERstory of Atari.

55:26SPEAKERI'm just going to go through this whole timeline and like,

55:28SPEAKERoh, now I've seen everything and that rules.

55:30SPEAKER- The thing I had forgotten was how,

55:33SPEAKERlike how many weird, how important the manual was

55:38SPEAKERto tell you which version of the mini game

55:40SPEAKERyou wanted to load.

55:42SPEAKER'Cause you know, when you play on the mister,

55:44SPEAKERit turns out that stuff is inscrutable

55:46SPEAKERand you don't have easy access to the manual, so.

55:49SPEAKER- Bring back consoles with a mode switch.

55:51SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying.

55:51SPEAKERAlso make them switches, make them the little springy,

55:54SPEAKERthe little spring loaded.

55:55SPEAKER(mumbles)

55:58SPEAKER- Wood paneling and physical switches.

56:02SPEAKER- Anyway, shout out to digital clips.

56:04SPEAKER'Cause that is, that game is dope.

56:05SPEAKERAnd please make, please, please get to make more of those.

56:08SPEAKER'Cause I will, I would play those for all of the old games.

56:11SPEAKER- Please do same.

56:12SPEAKERAlso shout out to.

56:15SPEAKER- Our patrons.

56:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:17SPEAKER- For going along with us on this weird ride.

56:21SPEAKER- We never even said it here anyway.

56:23SPEAKERHey, it's a cold open episode, but.

56:24SPEAKER- Look, I think they got it by the second or third.

56:26SPEAKERIf they didn't get it by the second or third one,

56:28SPEAKERthen I mean, I don't know.

56:30SPEAKER- They probably, they probably did.

56:32SPEAKERYou wrote down for one of your segment ideas

56:34SPEAKERfor this thing that we didn't get to.

56:35SPEAKERWe should stop doing cold open episodes.

56:37SPEAKERAnd I never did find out how tongue in cheek that is,

56:39SPEAKERbut I hope it's a lot.

56:40SPEAKER- Well, okay.

56:41SPEAKERSo my thought was, and this is probably a bad idea.

56:44SPEAKERMy thought was to do the actual, should we just do it?

56:47SPEAKERShould we do the cold open and then put it at the beginning?

56:49SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.

56:50SPEAKER- I was gonna say do the cold open where we're like,

56:50SPEAKERwe shouldn't do any more.

56:52SPEAKERIs it time to do another cold open episode

56:54SPEAKERand be like, no, I don't think we should do any more,

56:56SPEAKERlike blah, blah, blah.

56:56SPEAKERAnd then we jumped into the cold open episode.

56:59SPEAKER- I see.

57:00SPEAKER- We should do that next time though.

57:01SPEAKER- Just a fake out?

57:02SPEAKER- Yeah, a big fake out.

57:03SPEAKER- Okay, so that's good.

57:04SPEAKERI wanted to make sure you were not serious about

57:06SPEAKERnever doing these again.

57:08SPEAKER- No, I love like, look, the cold open,

57:09SPEAKERthe problem is like, look,

57:12SPEAKERyou and I have talked about stuff for so long

57:14SPEAKERthat we can do five minutes on literally anything.

57:17SPEAKER- Sure, yes.

57:18SPEAKER- We should just, we actually,

57:19SPEAKERnext time we do a cold open episode,

57:20SPEAKERwe should have people submit ideas for the cold opens.

57:23SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

57:24SPEAKER- And then see if we really can do five minutes on anything.

57:27SPEAKERI don't know, it may be a bad idea,

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57:54SPEAKERThis morning, we had a weird conversation this morning.

57:58SPEAKERWe were talking about like things that like upset you

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58:05SPEAKERand are a result of childhood trauma or poverty or whatever.

58:09SPEAKER- Boy.

58:10SPEAKER- It was kind of, it was funny, but heavy,

58:12SPEAKERlike at the same time.

58:14SPEAKERLike I get, I realized a decade ago

58:16SPEAKERthat like one of my depression triggers

58:18SPEAKERis when I start running out of shampoo.

58:20SPEAKERSo I just always have extra bottles of shampoo around

58:22SPEAKERto avoid the problem.

58:23SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

58:25SPEAKER- Look, I turned the shampoo into bubble bath

58:28SPEAKERone time when I was a kid and got in big trouble.

58:30SPEAKER'Cause it was turned out, it was all of our shampoo.

58:32SPEAKER- I see.

58:33SPEAKER- And it was a little bit of a rough time for the fan,

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58:49SPEAKERThis last month, we talked a little bit

58:51SPEAKERabout the PC that I built, the PC world.

58:54SPEAKERWe talked about holiday lights.

58:55SPEAKERWe talked about a bunch of other stuff.

58:56SPEAKERIt's just kind of a rambling conversation

58:58SPEAKERabout stuff that's percolating in the background often.

59:03SPEAKERWe want to do an extra special shout out

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59:18SPEAKERI don't even know what's happening there.

59:19SPEAKERI think bunny crimes must've fallen asleep on the couch.

59:23SPEAKER- How does one commit a sleep crime?

59:26SPEAKER- Look, if you need to ask, you don't want to know.

59:29SPEAKER- But Bunny Fiend was in our Twitch chat yesterday

59:31SPEAKERand mentioned that they have a toaster oven

59:33SPEAKERin their network rack.

59:35SPEAKER- Wow, that's a bold choice.

59:37SPEAKER- You know, I didn't follow up on the purpose there,

59:40SPEAKERbut I admire it.

59:42SPEAKER- Are they soldering or is it-

59:44SPEAKER- That was one of the first assumptions, but I, you know.

59:47SPEAKER- Wow, I wouldn't want to put anything hot in there.

59:50SPEAKER- Maybe they're just reheating pizza

59:52SPEAKERwhile they're working on their server, I don't know.

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1:00:30SPEAKER- We've done an organization episode before,

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