00:00SPEAKER"The following cold open contains graphic descriptions
00:02SPEAKER"of digital violence.
00:03SPEAKER"Lister discretion is advised."
00:06SPEAKER- Brad, I was very lucky this weekend
00:07SPEAKERand had to go to urgent care.
00:09SPEAKER- That doesn't sound lucky to me, but go on.
00:12SPEAKER- Well, when you go to, like, look,
00:14SPEAKERI was doing some sanding and I was sanding
00:16SPEAKERin a stupid way with the power sander.
00:19SPEAKER- Oh no, I don't, I don't know if I wanna hear
00:21SPEAKERthe rest of this, but continue.
00:24SPEAKER- I'm okay, everything's fine.
00:27SPEAKER- Do you still have all your skin?
00:28SPEAKER- No, I do not have all my skin.
00:30SPEAKER- Oh man.
00:31SPEAKER(laughing)
00:35SPEAKER- So I was sanding on the downhill side of the disc sander,
00:38SPEAKERwhich you're not supposed to do.
00:39SPEAKERYou always sand on the uphill side,
00:40SPEAKERso when you lose the, when something bites
00:42SPEAKERor you lose the grip, it rockets up instead of,
00:45SPEAKERinstead of jamming between your hand and the grinder.
00:49SPEAKER- Wait, I'm sorry, hang on.
00:51SPEAKERWhat does it mean for something to bite?
00:53SPEAKER- Well, like, you know, bite means it holds on more
00:55SPEAKERthan you would expect it to.
00:56SPEAKERSo it like, it like grabs it and then gets wedged
00:59SPEAKERinto the thing.
01:00SPEAKERAnd like, so I was sanding on the disc sander
01:04SPEAKERand the thing got stuck in the, in the guard at the bottom.
01:07SPEAKERAnd my finger was between the guard and the disc.
01:11SPEAKERAnd I sanded into the nail bed.
01:14SPEAKER- Oh boy.
01:15SPEAKER- I don't know if we should start with the podcast
01:16SPEAKERlike this, it's pretty horrifying.
01:18SPEAKER- I think it's too late, we're already deep in.
01:20SPEAKER- I'll put a content warning before maybe.
01:22SPEAKER- Seriously, I've been playing so much Callisto Protocol
01:25SPEAKERand we're streaming that new dark pictures,
01:26SPEAKERwhich is basically saw that I feel like I am kind of a,
01:30SPEAKERI'm pretty inured to gore at the moment.
01:32SPEAKER- Callisto Protocol is gross.
01:34SPEAKER- Dude, I saw a death animation last night
01:36SPEAKERthat I had not seen before.
01:37SPEAKERI guess it's 'cause I had just hit a new type of enemy.
01:39SPEAKER- Like what, the thing that happens to your friend
01:41SPEAKERin the first five minutes was like,
01:42SPEAKERah, this is too much for me,
01:44SPEAKERI don't want to play this game anymore.
01:45SPEAKER- They, they not only gouge his eyes out,
01:48SPEAKERbut like most of the eye socket.
01:50SPEAKERThere's like, I shouldn't get into it, I'm sorry.
01:53SPEAKER- So anyway, on my body horror front, I--
01:56SPEAKER- Oh, you just scratched your nose with the offending finger
02:00SPEAKERand now I see.
02:01SPEAKER- Here's the thing, the scratching side, no problem.
02:05SPEAKERThe other side, really hurting all the time.
02:08SPEAKER- There's a significant bandage on the tip of your finger.
02:10SPEAKER- Look, I went to the, I cleaned it,
02:13SPEAKERlike it was one of those ones where I walked,
02:14SPEAKERwhere I did it and I was like, oh, this is gonna be bad.
02:16SPEAKERAnd I looked at it, I was like, yep, that's bad.
02:18SPEAKERAnd then I walked into the, like I turned off the thing
02:22SPEAKERand I walked into the, into the kitchen
02:25SPEAKERand I just took a couple of Advil
02:27SPEAKERand then I turned on the sink and rinsed it out in the sink
02:29SPEAKERand then poured some hydrogen peroxide on it
02:31SPEAKERand then put a little Neosporin,
02:32SPEAKERthe pain relief Neosporin on it.
02:34SPEAKER'Cause it didn't, but by this point,
02:36SPEAKERit still hadn't started hurting yet.
02:38SPEAKERAnd I was like, that's really not good.
02:40SPEAKERWhen it doesn't hurt for this long,
02:41SPEAKERthat's probably a bad sign.
02:43SPEAKER- Yeah, it's when, it's when the inflammation sets in.
02:46SPEAKER- So I cleaned it all up, I finished clean,
02:48SPEAKERI cleaned up the mess that I'd made.
02:50SPEAKERI took, put all the stuff up and then I was like,
02:52SPEAKERI think I'm going to go to urgent care.
02:53SPEAKERShe was like, was it that bad?
02:54SPEAKERI was like, it's not great.
02:57SPEAKERYou know, I went to urgent care
02:58SPEAKERand they looked at it and they were like,
02:59SPEAKEReverything's going to grow back, you're going to be fine.
03:01SPEAKERIt's going to hurt for a little bit.
03:03SPEAKERBut you're like, I'm not going to have a weird shaped
03:05SPEAKERfingernail or anything anymore.
03:06SPEAKERSo I was very lucky.
03:07SPEAKER- You still have fingernail though.
03:09SPEAKER- I have about two thirds of a fingernail.
03:11SPEAKER- Okay, that's descriptive.
03:13SPEAKER- I'm going to go ahead and tell you grinding
03:14SPEAKERinto the nail bed does not feel good.
03:15SPEAKERI would advise against it to anybody
03:17SPEAKERwho considers trying that.
03:18SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:19SPEAKERYou ever lost an entire fingernail?
03:21SPEAKER- No, a toenail.
03:22SPEAKERWhen I was a kid, I caught a toenail under a, you know,
03:25SPEAKERremember how mechanical doors used to open it?
03:26SPEAKERThey used to just put mechanical flippers on doors
03:29SPEAKERthat used to open in and out.
03:31SPEAKERAnd I was walking toward one that had the pad that went out
03:34SPEAKERand my toe went under it because I was wearing flops
03:36SPEAKERand popped it right off.
03:39SPEAKER- Oh, I'm having flashbacks to the time I lost a thumbnail.
03:42SPEAKER- Ow, how'd you lose a thumbnail?
03:44SPEAKER- In a heavy industrial-ish metal door
03:47SPEAKERat a screen printing shop I used to work at.
03:51SPEAKER- If we still have any listeners after this,
03:52SPEAKERwe have a real good episode planned this week.
03:54SPEAKER- Have a good podcast.
03:55SPEAKER(upbeat music)
04:17SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)
04:23SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."
04:25SPEAKERI'm Will.
04:26SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
04:27SPEAKER- Good morning, Brad.
04:28SPEAKER- Good morning.
04:29SPEAKER- Good morning.
04:30SPEAKER- Yes, I'm fully awake after that intro.
04:32SPEAKER- So I had to get a tetanus shot out of all that.
04:35SPEAKERAnd as a result-
04:36SPEAKER- Oh, that's why the tetanus shot, okay.
04:37SPEAKER- My whole left side has been hurting and stiff
04:39SPEAKERfor the last like three days.
04:40SPEAKERAnd it's finally to the point that like my shoulder moves
04:43SPEAKERand it doesn't hurt anymore.
04:44SPEAKERSo that's pretty, pretty exciting.
04:46SPEAKERJust don't use power tools.
04:48SPEAKERThat's, you know, maybe we need to make some robots
04:51SPEAKERto use the power tools for us.
04:52SPEAKERWe need tools to use our tools.
04:54SPEAKER- Look, if I hadn't been a dumb ass, I would have been fine.
04:56SPEAKERLike I literally, I did something stupid.
04:58SPEAKERI knew I was making a mistake when I did it
05:00SPEAKERand I immediately paid the price.
05:02SPEAKER- Ah, shit happens, you know.
05:03SPEAKERI've got a family member that lost a whole finger to a,
05:06SPEAKERI think it was a circular saw, some kind of table saw.
05:08SPEAKER- Oh shit, yeah, table saw, gotcha.
05:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:11SPEAKER- The thing that is nice when you go to the urgent care place
05:16SPEAKERand you have done something,
05:17SPEAKERlike usually when I've gone to urgent care,
05:18SPEAKERit's 'cause something like,
05:19SPEAKERI don't want to go to the emergency room
05:21SPEAKERor I've got like a cold and can't get into my normal doctor
05:24SPEAKERor flu or something.
05:25SPEAKERI want to get like some sort of, you know, whatever.
05:28SPEAKERAnyway, the urgent care people are really good.
05:31SPEAKERAnd they, when you come in with a wound like this,
05:36SPEAKERthey're like, hey man, you should be more careful.
05:38SPEAKERDid you just get this tool?
05:39SPEAKERIs this a new thing?
05:40SPEAKER- Wait, did they really admonish you?
05:43SPEAKER- No, they were being kind.
05:44SPEAKERThey were like, hey, I hope we all see you again
05:46SPEAKERfor this one 'cause, you know, be more careful next time.
05:49SPEAKER- Sounds a little scoldy to me, I don't know.
05:52SPEAKER- Look, as they were pouring,
05:53SPEAKERthey poured a quart of hydrogen peroxide
05:55SPEAKERonto my finger to clean it.
05:56SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway.
05:59SPEAKER- They're like, well, you think this stuff grows on trees?
06:01SPEAKER- I mean, it kind of, it's kind of easy to, anyway.
06:03SPEAKER- Oh man, I don't even want to think about urgent care.
06:05SPEAKERI'm in the middle of an insurance transition.
06:07SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, you should not leave the house.
06:09SPEAKER- Well, no, I have, my Cobra ran out last month.
06:12SPEAKERAfter 18 months of having the same insurance I had
06:15SPEAKERas when I was last employed.
06:17SPEAKERAnd I'm getting on different insurance in January.
06:20SPEAKERBut this gaping hole, this gaping December shaped hole
06:24SPEAKERin my insurance coverage was just staring me in the face.
06:27SPEAKER- So did you get something?
06:28SPEAKER- I got what, basically one month of insurance
06:31SPEAKERoff of the exchange.
06:32SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
06:33SPEAKER- There is not an urgent care in San Francisco
06:36SPEAKERthat I can go to with this insurance.
06:37SPEAKER- Well, you can go, you just have to pay out a network.
06:40SPEAKER- Well, the policy says zero urgent care coverage.
06:44SPEAKER- Oh, then you should go to the ER, good luck.
06:45SPEAKER- It's an HMO, yeah, it's an HMO.
06:47SPEAKERThe closest urgent care I can go to
06:49SPEAKERis about 90 minutes away by-
06:51SPEAKER- That's not as urgent as I would like.
06:53SPEAKER- By the travel means that I am capable of.
06:55SPEAKERIt's way out in the East Bay.
06:57SPEAKERInsurance, hello.
06:59SPEAKER- Yeah, America sucks for, don't get sick in America.
07:02SPEAKERThat's the lesson.
07:03SPEAKER- No, don't not be rich in America
07:06SPEAKERis basically the only advice that actually-
07:10SPEAKER- I work with somebody who's from Brazil
07:14SPEAKERand she told a story about the first time,
07:19SPEAKERlike when her family members come visit
07:20SPEAKERand they've never been here before.
07:22SPEAKERThey're like, is it really,
07:23SPEAKERis the healthcare thing really as bad
07:25SPEAKERas everybody says it is?
07:26SPEAKERAnd I'm like, yeah, she's like,
07:28SPEAKERpay for the travel insurance.
07:30SPEAKERAnyway, this week we're gonna talk about storage, Brad.
07:33SPEAKERIt's one of our favorite topics.
07:34SPEAKER- Yeah, we talk a lot about storage.
07:35SPEAKERI promise this is not just another NAS episode.
07:38SPEAKERNASs will be referenced at points,
07:40SPEAKERbut this is, it's kind of,
07:41SPEAKERI think we described this more
07:42SPEAKERas sort of a digital organization,
07:44SPEAKERlike storage organization type of episode.
07:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so about a week and a half ago,
07:49SPEAKERI built a new PC on a stream actually
07:52SPEAKERwith our friends from PC World, Gordon and Adam.
07:55SPEAKERYou can, we'll post the URL in the show notes
07:57SPEAKERif I remember to put it in there.
07:59SPEAKERAnd it's the first time I'm starting from scratch
08:03SPEAKERwith a new PC in a really long time.
08:04SPEAKERLike the last probably 10 years
08:06SPEAKERI've been building off of the same,
08:09SPEAKERI've been ship of thesizing a computer, right?
08:13SPEAKERSo when I was looking at the old PC,
08:15SPEAKERlike there's some SSDs in there
08:17SPEAKERthat are from like 2014 probably.
08:19SPEAKER- That's it? - 500 gigabyte.
08:21SPEAKER- Come on, man, come on, man.
08:22SPEAKER- What?
08:24SPEAKER- That's it?
08:24SPEAKER- Well, so I mean, I upgraded,
08:27SPEAKERthere was a spinning disk at one point
08:28SPEAKERthat was two terabytes that became a four terabyte
08:30SPEAKERthat became an eight terabyte drive, right?
08:33SPEAKERI'm kind of giving you a hard time, but.
08:36SPEAKER- Yeah, the case, I just upgraded last summer
08:38SPEAKERto the H510, which I've caught endless grief for.
08:41SPEAKER- I've got, oh, storage spaces
08:42SPEAKERdoesn't tell you how big these disks are.
08:44SPEAKERI've got a couple of SSDs in here
08:46SPEAKERfrom like 2010, '11, '12-ish era.
08:49SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
08:50SPEAKER- But anyway, we'll get to it.
08:51SPEAKER- So anything under 512 gigs,
08:54SPEAKERI've transitioned to either the kiddo's computer
08:57SPEAKERor the streaming PC, or like one of them I used
08:59SPEAKERas the cache and the free NAS drive for a long time.
09:02SPEAKERSo yeah, all the small SSDs went away.
09:04SPEAKERLike anything that was less than one war zone in size.
09:11SPEAKER- Sure.
09:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
09:12SPEAKER- Can we just, can we abbreviate that to WZ?
09:15SPEAKER- Yeah, look, so we released, on an unrelated note,
09:19SPEAKERwe released Steam Workshop support
09:21SPEAKERfor the Anacrusis this week.
09:23SPEAKERAnd there's a bunch of good, terrible stuff
09:25SPEAKERin the workshop store for the game now.
09:28SPEAKER- Great.
09:29SPEAKER- So a lot of tools originally were like 400 gigs
09:32SPEAKERor like 1.5 war zones.
09:38SPEAKERAnd now we're down to 0.2 war zones
09:42SPEAKER'cause we were able to delete some stuff,
09:44SPEAKERmove some stuff out of the archive.
09:45SPEAKER- 0.2 WZs.
09:46SPEAKERJust remember that if it's capital Z, it's Zites.
09:49SPEAKERIf it's a lowercase z, it's zits.
09:51SPEAKER- Yeah, of course, of course.
09:53SPEAKERSo anyway, yeah, so we use war zones
09:56SPEAKERas an informal measure of size in our shop.
09:59SPEAKER- Do you actually do that?
10:00SPEAKER- I do it 'cause I think it's funny.
10:02SPEAKER- This is not just a goofy made up for this podcast.
10:04SPEAKERYou're actually telling people on your team
10:06SPEAKERthis build is 3.5 WZs.
10:10SPEAKER- It was the joke I made when one of our engineers
10:12SPEAKERwas like, "Hey, I cut the mod tools down
10:16SPEAKERfrom 380 gigs to 50 gigs."
10:18SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Hell yeah, you're at 0.25 war zones now."
10:23SPEAKER- Gigs?
10:24SPEAKER- A terabyte, sorry.
10:25SPEAKER- Wait, those are--
10:26SPEAKER- No, no, no, gigs, gigs, gigs, gigs.
10:27SPEAKERThose were big mod tools.
10:29SPEAKER- So on Unreal, you have to...
10:33SPEAKERSo on source, you can pull stuff from the files
10:36SPEAKERthat are attached to the game
10:37SPEAKERwhen you're doing mod tools with source games.
10:40SPEAKERUnreal, you can't do that
10:41SPEAKER'cause they encrypt the files by default.
10:43SPEAKERSo you have to distribute,
10:44SPEAKERlike if we wanna distribute assets from the game
10:47SPEAKERwith the mod tools, we can't point the mod tools
10:50SPEAKERat the game to pull the assets out.
10:51SPEAKERWe have to actually send...
10:53SPEAKERIt's not just 'cause they're encrypted.
10:54SPEAKERThey get baked down.
10:55SPEAKERThere's all sorts of other stuff that happens.
10:56SPEAKERSo the upshot is we have to distribute the source art
11:00SPEAKERfor anything we want people to be able to build with
11:02SPEAKERin addition to the code environment and all that stuff.
11:06SPEAKER- That makes way more sense.
11:07SPEAKER- Yeah, look, Unreal is getting...
11:10SPEAKERThey're paying attention.
11:11SPEAKERThey're getting better at how this works.
11:12SPEAKERSo, and it's complicated and not that many games use it.
11:15SPEAKERSo anyway, I don't remember where we were.
11:19SPEAKERThat was a huge digression.
11:20SPEAKER- Sorry, your new PC kind of occasioned this episode
11:24SPEAKERbecause you've been kind of setting up storage from scratch.
11:27SPEAKERI, on the other hand, have got what,
11:30SPEAKERthree plus years on this Windows install.
11:33SPEAKERSo I've got some cruft, but yeah, I guess we thought
11:36SPEAKERwe would just sort of talk about like how we organize things
11:39SPEAKERand touch on cloud services we're using
11:43SPEAKERand backup strategies and you name it.
11:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that's it.
11:49SPEAKERLike as I was sitting here building this machine out,
11:52SPEAKERI was like, I haven't actually...
11:54SPEAKEREvery machine I built for the last 10 years
11:57SPEAKERhas had a stuff from C folder on it
12:00SPEAKERthat was the old stuff from C,
12:02SPEAKERlike the old C drive drug into the new drive.
12:05SPEAKERAnd like those files go down,
12:09SPEAKERthose folders go down like four or five levels
12:11SPEAKERdepending on how many PCs it's been.
12:14SPEAKERSo the point of this is it's a clean start
12:19SPEAKERand I kind of wanted to talk,
12:20SPEAKERI thought it was worth talking about
12:21SPEAKERand being thoughtful about rather than just
12:23SPEAKERdoing the same thing I normally do
12:24SPEAKERwhich is making a whole massive mishmash
12:26SPEAKERof completely unorganized files on the entire thing.
12:29SPEAKERSo that's where we're at.
12:33SPEAKERThe PC I have, they put all...
12:36SPEAKERWhen PC world spec this out,
12:37SPEAKERthey put a bunch of SSDs in it, Brad.
12:41SPEAKER- I don't know what else to say here
12:42SPEAKERother than I'm very jealous when I heard
12:44SPEAKERnot only the amount of storage,
12:46SPEAKERbut the type of storage that they put into that thing
12:47SPEAKERfor you, I became unreasonably jealous, go on.
12:51SPEAKER- So the machine has eight terabytes of SSDs
12:54SPEAKERand I arranged them, I put the fast one as the C drive.
12:58SPEAKER- Hang on, hang on, I have to stop you, I'm sorry.
13:00SPEAKER- Yeah, hi.
13:01SPEAKER- I think by any reasonable objective definition
13:03SPEAKERthey are all fast.
13:05SPEAKER- Oh, look.
13:06SPEAKER- Let's talk about what the drives are.
13:09SPEAKER- The drives are...
13:11SPEAKERHold on, let me open up the parts list
13:13SPEAKERso I don't get the part names right.
13:15SPEAKER- You put windows on the faster drive, I think.
13:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that's correct. - Is what you're saying.
13:19SPEAKER- I put windows, they're SK Hynix or Solidator, all of them.
13:25SPEAKERAnd let's see, we've got a Solidar P44 Pro two terabyte,
13:31SPEAKERwhich is the main system drive.
13:34SPEAKERAnd then the other three are SK Hynix Platinum P41
13:37SPEAKERtwo terabytes.
13:38SPEAKER- Okay, but the bus is the key thing here,
13:40SPEAKERor they're all PCIe four, right?
13:42SPEAKER- They're all PCIe four,
13:43SPEAKERthey're all connected PCIe four buses.
13:45SPEAKERThere's actually a couple of PCIe five slots
13:47SPEAKERin this motherboard.
13:48SPEAKERSo in the future, conceivably,
13:50SPEAKERI can get something that's even faster.
13:52SPEAKERAlthough, I think we're reaching a point
13:54SPEAKERof diminishing returns on flash drive to bus speed.
13:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we got there a long time ago
13:59SPEAKERfor a lot of stuff, right?
14:00SPEAKERLike direct storage, not withstanding,
14:02SPEAKERwhich still isn't really out there, right?
14:04SPEAKERThere aren't really...
14:06SPEAKERLike at some point that will truly matter for drive speed.
14:08SPEAKERBut like, I feel like even when we were still on SATA SSDs,
14:12SPEAKERyou were seeing benchmarks from people saying like,
14:14SPEAKER"Yeah, like moving your Windows install to an NVMe drive
14:17SPEAKER"doesn't really do much for you."
14:18SPEAKERLike real world, there's really not much difference.
14:20SPEAKER- So I'm gonna tell you that that's probably changed
14:23SPEAKERin the time since...
14:24SPEAKERLike at the time it's probably true
14:25SPEAKERbecause the flash configurations and the flash controllers
14:29SPEAKERwere probably not performing enough
14:30SPEAKERto use the extra bandwidth.
14:33SPEAKERNow it is...
14:36SPEAKERLike I can watch Photoshop in less than five seconds
14:38SPEAKERon this machine.
14:39SPEAKER- So you're feeling it now?
14:40SPEAKER- I'm feeling it.
14:42SPEAKERIt boots so fast, Brad, that I can't...
14:44SPEAKERThere's no amount of me pressing the,
14:45SPEAKERgo into the BIOS key that can get me into the BIOS.
14:49SPEAKERLike the only way I can get into the BIOS is to go
14:51SPEAKERand either press the button on the motherboard
14:53SPEAKERwhen I'm booting it,
14:54SPEAKERor use the Windows advanced startup stuff.
15:00SPEAKER- The ASUS board I just got has a setting for...
15:03SPEAKERYou can set like a timeout on the post screen.
15:07SPEAKER- So I could do that.
15:07SPEAKER- I jacked that all the way up,
15:09SPEAKERso I would actually have time.
15:10SPEAKERBut they removed the press delete to enter menu prompt.
15:13SPEAKERLike this board doesn't tell you what to do to get into.
15:16SPEAKERAlso, I know it's not a BIOS anymore.
15:18SPEAKERIt's UEFI, but I'm just gonna keep saying BIOS.
15:23SPEAKERYeah, you have to know the secret incantation now
15:25SPEAKERto get into the BIOS on this board.
15:26SPEAKER- Well, I usually put some good art on the splash screen
15:32SPEAKERand there's no time for it to display now, so.
15:34SPEAKER- Okay, I've softly taken this position before,
15:37SPEAKERbut I'm just gonna put my foot down now.
15:39SPEAKERFuck a splash screen.
15:40SPEAKER- I don't see the splash screen.
15:42SPEAKERI just go straight to the Windows logo.
15:43SPEAKER- Okay, well, that's fair.
15:44SPEAKER- It's nuts, it's like a Mac.
15:47SPEAKER- Look, it will never be a computer,
15:49SPEAKERa personal computer to me,
15:50SPEAKERunless there is a text mode post summary
15:53SPEAKERwhen you turn it on.
15:54SPEAKER- I've never seen that on my screen, on my computer.
15:57SPEAKER- What, even 20, 30 years ago?
15:59SPEAKER- No, no, no, I mean, on this new computer.
16:00SPEAKERI've never seen it one time.
16:01SPEAKER- Okay, okay.
16:03SPEAKERI mean, I'm even mad that you don't see the processor speed
16:06SPEAKERtick up and the memory test and all that stuff anymore.
16:10SPEAKER- One of the weird things, we talked about this
16:12SPEAKERon the stream, but I think the AMD boards now,
16:17SPEAKERthe first time you power it up,
16:18SPEAKERgo through and check all the memory.
16:20SPEAKER- Great.
16:20SPEAKER- And if you don't, if you reboot,
16:23SPEAKERif you're like, hey, what's going on?
16:24SPEAKERIt's not booting, and then restart,
16:26SPEAKERyou can cause problems for yourself.
16:27SPEAKERSo a lot of the motherboards have stickers on them that say,
16:29SPEAKERhey, the first time this computer boots,
16:31SPEAKERit's gonna take a minute, don't turn it off or whatever.
16:34SPEAKERAnyway, so yeah, that's the drive configuration I have.
16:38SPEAKERI have two terabytes in the C drive,
16:40SPEAKERand then I have a D drive that's the three other
16:42SPEAKERtwo terabyte drives like striped together
16:47SPEAKERusing the windows drive configuration stuff.
16:49SPEAKER- Storage spaces.
16:50SPEAKER- Storage spaces, yeah.
16:51SPEAKER- So there's stripes, no redundancy there?
16:53SPEAKER- Stripes, no redundancy, it's all backed up.
16:55SPEAKERSo it doesn't, I mean, it's not backed up as of today,
16:57SPEAKERbut it will be backed up as of the end of this weekend, so.
17:02SPEAKER- Two, not to make this all about games,
17:04SPEAKERbut are those drives fast enough?
17:06SPEAKERI mean, again, direct storage isn't really out there yet,
17:08SPEAKERbut are those fast enough that that will be sufficient for?
17:11SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
17:12SPEAKER- That kind of thing?
17:13SPEAKEROh man, that's so great.
17:14SPEAKER- Should be, yeah.
17:15SPEAKER- Because the thing I've been thinking about,
17:16SPEAKERever since they announced that,
17:18SPEAKERprior to storage mattering for games on PC,
17:20SPEAKERit was just like, oh, I'll put them on any old SSD,
17:22SPEAKERlike whatever.
17:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:24SPEAKER- Now we're in a world where
17:27SPEAKERit's basically like the new consoles, right?
17:28SPEAKERYou have a pretty high minimum threshold for drive speed
17:31SPEAKERto actually use this feature correctly.
17:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:34SPEAKER- And so unless you have six terabytes
17:37SPEAKERof extremely fast storage like you,
17:39SPEAKERlike you're gonna be in the situation
17:41SPEAKERwhere you're like manually moving games
17:42SPEAKERthat need the faster storage back and forth
17:44SPEAKERas you play them, right?
17:46SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so I find I typically play
17:48SPEAKERlike two or three games at most at a time, right?
17:50SPEAKERSo you're an unusual use case.
17:53SPEAKERLike I usually am playing,
17:55SPEAKERlike I play Fortnite on the reg, right?
17:57SPEAKERAnd then I'm usually playing one other game
17:59SPEAKERthat I may be playing on a stream,
18:00SPEAKERand then there's one other game that I'm playing
18:02SPEAKERwhen I'm not playing stuff on streams, right?
18:05SPEAKER- So wait, do you not keep a huge Steam install
18:07SPEAKERlibrary?
18:08SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I keep an offensively large Steam install.
18:11SPEAKER- I have 153 games installed in Steam at the moment.
18:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I, look, it took me about 10 minutes
18:17SPEAKERto uninstall all the games from the old PC
18:19SPEAKERwhen I moved it over to the stream side.
18:22SPEAKER- That was, see, there are a zillion questions
18:23SPEAKERthat I could and probably will ask you
18:25SPEAKERas we talk through this stuff
18:26SPEAKERthat I wouldn't have thought of until you mentioned it,
18:28SPEAKERbut that's just one of them.
18:30SPEAKERDo you do the, I'm just gonna copy my Steam apps folder
18:33SPEAKERto a new PC and hope that it picks them all up?
18:36SPEAKER- Don't bother anymore.
18:37SPEAKER- No.
18:38SPEAKER- Well, okay, so I have done that in the past,
18:41SPEAKERas I think we all have, but I have gigabit ethernet
18:44SPEAKERcoming into the house, or gigabit fiber
18:46SPEAKERcoming into the house, and yeah, it's fine.
18:50SPEAKERI just, I believe-- - Yeah, I think I'm with you.
18:53SPEAKER- I've only installed, like, look,
18:55SPEAKERmy install had gotten kind of crufty,
18:57SPEAKERso I have, like, probably 15 games installed right now,
19:00SPEAKER10 games, I have, like, Miles Morales
19:02SPEAKERand stuff that came out since then,
19:04SPEAKERand then I play Half-Life Deathmatch
19:05SPEAKERwith some friends once a week,
19:07SPEAKERand I had Peniment 'cause I needed to play more of that,
19:10SPEAKERand Darktide 'cause it came out and I wanted to check it out
19:12SPEAKERand then a couple other things, so, like,
19:14SPEAKERit's not an offensive, it's the stuff,
19:17SPEAKERlike, I almost always have Dead Cells installed, too,
19:19SPEAKER'cause I really like Dead Cells,
19:20SPEAKERand it's often a game I'll pick up
19:22SPEAKERand just kind of, you know, poke at
19:24SPEAKERfor an hour or so here and there.
19:26SPEAKER- I've had the same Dota install sitting here
19:28SPEAKERfor three-plus years.
19:29SPEAKER- Just looking at you.
19:30SPEAKERWhen was the last time you played, Brad, how are you clean?
19:32SPEAKER- I fired it up on a stream three weeks ago or so.
19:35SPEAKER- Oh, wow, that's dangerous.
19:37SPEAKER- Shits into giggles, but oh, boy,
19:40SPEAKERsomehow didn't really go back to it after that, thankfully.
19:43SPEAKER- So, okay, so anyway, so the thought
19:44SPEAKERof the new storage scheme is the C drive
19:48SPEAKERis where stuff gets installed, my main games,
19:51SPEAKERthe things that I play on the moment-to-moment,
19:53SPEAKERlike, grounded in Fortnite right now, right?
19:55SPEAKER- Interesting, so you're putting games on your C drive.
19:57SPEAKERIs that because that's faster?
19:58SPEAKERLike, for me, I would always wanna put the games
20:00SPEAKERon the giant bulk drive and keep the system drive free
20:04SPEAKERfor system stuff.
20:05SPEAKER- So I, on the old machine that had a spinning disk drive,
20:08SPEAKERtoo, I would put the, I put games on the spinning,
20:14SPEAKERlike, I put the deep storage stuff
20:15SPEAKERon the spinning disk drive.
20:16SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.
20:17SPEAKER- But then I realized it was probably faster
20:18SPEAKERto just redownload them if I wanted to play them
20:20SPEAKERthan it was to copy them off of the spinning disk drive
20:22SPEAKERonto an SSD.
20:25SPEAKERThe other thing on C is local caches of cloud storage,
20:27SPEAKERbut yeah, I keep, like, Fortnite, Fortnite lives
20:30SPEAKERon the C drive, which I haven't actually benchmarked
20:32SPEAKERthe Windows disk spaces thing versus the striped,
20:36SPEAKERversus the C drive.
20:37SPEAKERTheoretically, the Windows disk spaces striped
20:39SPEAKERwith three SSDs should be a little bit faster, I think,
20:43SPEAKERbut I haven't actually poked at it to see.
20:47SPEAKERThe--
20:48SPEAKER- I did, sorry, real quick, we should probably mention,
20:50SPEAKERI know we've talked about it before,
20:52SPEAKERstorage spaces is basically Windows's software RAID feature.
20:56SPEAKER- Yeah, and I did the software RAID
20:58SPEAKERversus the hardware RAID because the software RAID
21:02SPEAKERis easier to remove stuff from.
21:04SPEAKERIf I decide I wanna swap, make one, like,
21:06SPEAKERI wanted to hedge in case I wanted to pull
21:08SPEAKERone of those drives out and make a dedicated game drive
21:10SPEAKERif there was a performance problem.
21:12SPEAKER- Yeah, where would you get hardware RAID from?
21:13SPEAKERIs it on your motherboard?
21:14SPEAKER- Yeah, the motherboard will do hardware RAID as well.
21:16SPEAKER- Ugh, I don't think, I don't, okay, I shouldn't,
21:20SPEAKERI don't work in enterprise storage,
21:22SPEAKERmuch as I like to pretend that I do.
21:24SPEAKERLike, are there any real use cases
21:26SPEAKERfor hardware RAID these days?
21:27SPEAKERI don't see anything--
21:29SPEAKER- If you have spinning disks, yeah.
21:31SPEAKER- This is the kind of thing where,
21:33SPEAKERwell, no, even then it's like ZFS or butter FS or--
21:35SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:37SPEAKER- I don't, this is where we need somebody to like,
21:39SPEAKERsomebody who works into space should write in and tell us--
21:42SPEAKER- Oh, they will.
21:43SPEAKER- Whether there are still use cases
21:44SPEAKERfor hardware RAID these days at all or not.
21:46SPEAKER- That they're uptime related usually, right?
21:48SPEAKER- I don't know about that.
21:50SPEAKER- Yeah, or I mean, there's performance, anyway,
21:54SPEAKERthere used to be performance reasons,
21:55SPEAKERI don't know if there are anymore.
21:56SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think that that may still be true.
21:59SPEAKERAnyway.
22:00SPEAKER- Okay, so the other thing that's on the C drive
22:03SPEAKERis local caches of cloud storage.
22:04SPEAKERSo like the files that are, like I have at this point,
22:07SPEAKERI have Google Drive and Dropbox and stuff
22:09SPEAKERset to only sync the folders that I work in constantly,
22:12SPEAKERlike for example, the tech pod folder
22:15SPEAKERand my stray bomb bay folder and stuff like that.
22:18SPEAKEREverything else lives online, but the mirror,
22:21SPEAKERthe cache of those offline folder files
22:25SPEAKERlives on the C drive.
22:27SPEAKER- Okay, I've got multiple questions here.
22:28SPEAKER- Okay.
22:30SPEAKER- I guess the first one is, so are you using the,
22:32SPEAKERI don't even know what it's called this month,
22:33SPEAKERwhatever Google application makes your Google Drive,
22:36SPEAKERlike a system drive kind of thing?
22:38SPEAKER- So that's all--
22:39SPEAKER- Or a special folder like Dropbox?
22:40SPEAKER- That's only available if you have a business account.
22:44SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.
22:45SPEAKER- They don't make that available to normal Gmail accounts.
22:47SPEAKERLuckily, we have a business account
22:48SPEAKERand once you have a business account,
22:49SPEAKERyou can download it and connect it to any Gmail account.
22:52SPEAKER- Oh.
22:53SPEAKER- Which is a real choice.
22:54SPEAKER- Interesting.
22:55SPEAKER- So I don't think I'll install
22:56SPEAKERthe Google Drive thing this time,
22:57SPEAKER'cause it was mainly useful when I was doing a lot of video,
23:00SPEAKERa lot of work with the video,
23:01SPEAKERan external video editor on the stream and straight my way,
23:05SPEAKERbut we'll see, maybe in the future.
23:07SPEAKERIt's weird though, 'cause it shows up as a different drive.
23:11SPEAKER- Like an actual letter drive?
23:13SPEAKER- Letter drive, yeah.
23:14SPEAKER- Like I don't know what you call the Dropbox manifestation,
23:16SPEAKERI guess like it's like a special folder,
23:18SPEAKERI think is how they refer to that.
23:19SPEAKER- Yeah, the Dropbox thing shows up,
23:20SPEAKERit's just a folder in your user folder.
23:24SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I mean, in terms of the file system,
23:26SPEAKERthat's right, I mean, like in the left side of File Explorer,
23:29SPEAKERlike it'll break out stuff like OneDrive and Dropbox
23:31SPEAKERas kind of its own entry.
23:32SPEAKER- Yeah, that's called the quick access bar, I think.
23:34SPEAKER- Quick access, okay.
23:36SPEAKER- Although the quick access bar
23:37SPEAKERmight only be the thing at the very top.
23:38SPEAKER- Yes, that's right, I'm looking at it now.
23:40SPEAKERLike those live at the same level as computer quote unquote
23:43SPEAKERand the network in the kind of Windows hierarchy.
23:46SPEAKER- Well, kind of, but you actually can find OneDrive
23:50SPEAKERand both of those live underneath your C users,
23:53SPEAKERyour username.
23:54SPEAKER- Yeah, they're in your home directory for sure.
23:57SPEAKER- I am, like I really like the Dropbox model.
24:00SPEAKERWe use OneDrive for work 'cause we're a Microsoft house,
24:02SPEAKERso I have to engage with the OneDrive model as well.
24:06SPEAKERI accidentally put my desktop documents
24:10SPEAKERand downloads directories in a OneDrive
24:12SPEAKERand I've had to unjack that up.
24:15SPEAKER- Oh, I thought, I generally have not had a big problem
24:18SPEAKERwith OneDrive, especially the part
24:19SPEAKERwhere they just kind of give you a lot of storage for free.
24:22SPEAKER- I just don't use it.
24:23SPEAKERBut the part where a lot of those home folder,
24:27SPEAKERhome directory directories automatically sync up in there
24:31SPEAKERunless you turn that off is not good.
24:33SPEAKER- Well, and once you've turned it on,
24:34SPEAKERit's kind of hard to undo it turns out, so.
24:36SPEAKER- Yes, some of the OneDrive configuration
24:37SPEAKERis a bit confusing.
24:38SPEAKERThe other thing I was gonna ask about this stuff
24:40SPEAKERis that you were talking about using selective sync
24:41SPEAKERfor just kind of folders you're working with.
24:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:44SPEAKER- Do you have to, is it intelligent enough to say like,
24:47SPEAKERif you go in and try to access a file,
24:49SPEAKERit'll just sync it all or do you have to manually say like,
24:51SPEAKERokay, pull down the cloud version of this folder now?
24:54SPEAKER- Oh yeah, well, so with Dropbox and OneDrive,
24:56SPEAKERas soon as you access as, like they still show up
24:59SPEAKERin your folders, in your folder hierarchy,
25:02SPEAKERin your file explorer, just like any other file.
25:04SPEAKERThey just have a little cloud icon next to them
25:06SPEAKERthat says they're not local.
25:07SPEAKERAnd as soon as you either click on them in file explorer
25:10SPEAKERor try to open them in like Photoshop
25:11SPEAKERor whatever application you're using, or even, for example,
25:15SPEAKERlike with Photoshop linked files where you open a template
25:17SPEAKERthat has this link to multiple other files,
25:19SPEAKERas soon as Photoshop tries to access them in the background,
25:22SPEAKERit'll just pause for a second and download them
25:23SPEAKERand then they're there.
25:25SPEAKER- Does it handle that, sorry,
25:26SPEAKERdoes it handle that sync pretty gracefully?
25:28SPEAKERLike if you say you need to pull down like tens of gigabytes
25:31SPEAKERto do whatever you're doing, like, does it say,
25:33SPEAKER"Hey, we're getting your stuff,"
25:34SPEAKERor does it just kind of seize up?
25:35SPEAKER- It depends, Dropbox just kind of seizes up.
25:38SPEAKERI think OneDrive pops up a little thing, a modal that says,
25:41SPEAKER"Hey, files download and it'll be a minute."
25:44SPEAKER- Okay, I ask 'cause, so I am in the exact same boat as you.
25:47SPEAKERI use Dropbox, OneDrive, and I have three separate
25:50SPEAKERGoogle drives that I use for different businesses.
25:52SPEAKER- Too many Google drives.
25:54SPEAKER- It's a lot.
25:54SPEAKERWell, on the other hand, it's nice to have things
25:56SPEAKERcompartmented out when there are actual
25:58SPEAKERbusiness things going on.
25:59SPEAKER- I use folders for that.
26:01SPEAKER- Well, I mean, we're talking about
26:02SPEAKERliteral different companies.
26:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
26:05SPEAKER- But yeah, like managing all that stuff,
26:09SPEAKERand I just let everything, well, not Google Drive,
26:11SPEAKERI don't have those installed locally,
26:12SPEAKERbut Dropbox and OneDrive just sync everything locally
26:15SPEAKERfor simplicity's sake, but that does,
26:18SPEAKERI've got a hundred gigabytes of Dropbox space,
26:20SPEAKERso that kind of does get a little heavy
26:22SPEAKERwhen you let all of that just sit there.
26:23SPEAKER- You can set Dropbox to not sync,
26:25SPEAKERto keep everything in the cloud, so--
26:27SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
26:28SPEAKERI don't do that, and so hearing you talk about
26:31SPEAKERhow that works makes me think maybe I should,
26:33SPEAKERand I certainly don't need everything in my Dropbox
26:36SPEAKERavailable locally at all times.
26:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so my strategy for that is the tech pod folder
26:40SPEAKERstays local all the time because we have,
26:44SPEAKERlike we work with large files, right?
26:45SPEAKERWe work with 600 megabyte audio files.
26:48SPEAKER- Or bigger, to be fair, the tech pod folder
26:51SPEAKERis a large chunk of my Dropbox space.
26:53SPEAKER- Yeah, so that one stays big.
26:56SPEAKERLike on the straight bomb base stuff,
26:57SPEAKERthe marketing images folder,
26:59SPEAKERwhich is where all the Photoshop templates we use
27:01SPEAKERto generate all the thumbnails and all the Steam
27:04SPEAKERand Microsoft Store art and all that stuff,
27:07SPEAKERwhere all those live, those also stay local
27:09SPEAKERbecause they're huge files.
27:11SPEAKERThe stuff that's small or that I don't access very often
27:14SPEAKERstays offline, and it's really smart
27:16SPEAKER'cause once you leave, A, if you set a folder level,
27:22SPEAKERit does everything downstream of it
27:26SPEAKERwith the same setting, right?
27:28SPEAKERAnd I think eventually even Dropbox,
27:31SPEAKEReventually if you like, so I have a folder
27:33SPEAKERwith all my buddy icons, my avatars,
27:35SPEAKERthe avatars I've used over the years.
27:37SPEAKERThat one, you can use something,
27:39SPEAKERand then a few weeks later it'll clear the space
27:42SPEAKERfrom your hard drive and it'll go back to being online only,
27:45SPEAKERwhich is really nice.
27:46SPEAKER- Is that comprehensive?
27:47SPEAKERWhat, you've actually kept all of those avatars in one place?
27:49SPEAKERI wish I had thought to do that.
27:50SPEAKERMine are scattered across who knows how many directories
27:53SPEAKERacross different drives.
27:54SPEAKER- I started doing it, I must've started doing it
27:57SPEAKERaround the time the PC and Mac.
27:59SPEAKERI started doing it when Dropbox was relatively new
28:01SPEAKERwhen Apple was doing the PC and Mac avatars
28:03SPEAKER'cause my aim avatar at that time was John Hodgman.
28:08SPEAKER- If you still have your aim avatar around them,
28:10SPEAKERthat's pretty impressive.
28:11SPEAKER- Yeah, let's see, for a while I did the Jerry Seinfeld
28:15SPEAKERwith the churro in the Bill Gates ad,
28:17SPEAKERthe bad Bill Gates ad.
28:19SPEAKERThat was a classic.
28:21SPEAKERThere's a bunch of them.
28:22SPEAKERThere's a bunch of one-off jokes from when we were at Whiskey.
28:25SPEAKER- Yes.
28:26SPEAKER- There's the Darth created cubic blockhead
28:29SPEAKERof the tested blockheads that he made for me.
28:30SPEAKERThat one's special.
28:32SPEAKERYeah, I have all of them, I guess.
28:34SPEAKER- See, the gravatar was just way ahead of its time.
28:37SPEAKER- I had to update my gravatar the other day.
28:39SPEAKER- What?
28:40SPEAKER- I didn't update him again.
28:41SPEAKERAutomatic bought gravatar, I think.
28:43SPEAKER- I was just about to say,
28:44SPEAKERI know somebody bought a gravatar.
28:46SPEAKERI set up my gravatar day two at Whiskey for some reason,
28:51SPEAKERI think, 'cause everybody around there
28:53SPEAKERthought it was really stupid, which it was,
28:54SPEAKERbut also kind of cool, which it was.
28:57SPEAKERI think that thing still shows up.
28:59SPEAKERI still, to this day, go out there
29:01SPEAKERand sign up for new services,
29:02SPEAKERand that same little Pac-Man hand grenade
29:04SPEAKERshows up as my avatar.
29:05SPEAKER- Oh, see, my avatar was the tested blockhead
29:08SPEAKERwith the tested sign on it,
29:09SPEAKERwhich is problematic given that I haven't worked there
29:10SPEAKERin like seven years now.
29:12SPEAKERBut anyway, so okay, so cloud storage caches,
29:17SPEAKERand then all of the portable apps
29:18SPEAKERlive in a folder under documents called portable apps.
29:23SPEAKER- Documents, I ask documents, not in one of those cloud.
29:26SPEAKER- I didn't put, no, I'm not putting them
29:27SPEAKERin one of the cloud things,
29:28SPEAKERbecause a lot of the stuff that I have portable apps of,
29:31SPEAKERlike fan control and open RGB and stuff like that,
29:33SPEAKERis per machine, and I don't want to sync that across.
29:36SPEAKER- That makes sense.
29:37SPEAKER- No, even OBS, but I don't do OBS in portable apps,
29:40SPEAKERbecause OBS is kind of a shitty portable app.
29:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I made separate directories in my home directory,
29:45SPEAKERbut I do basically the same thing.
29:46SPEAKERI have two, I have GUI and CLI
29:48SPEAKERfor different portable things
29:50SPEAKERdepending on if they are GUI or CLI.
29:53SPEAKERBut spending so much time in BSD and Linux
29:56SPEAKERfor the last few years as I have
29:57SPEAKERhas really made me embrace the home directory philosophy.
30:02SPEAKERAnd I'm happy that Windows is,
30:03SPEAKER'cause Mac OS is a literal Unix,
30:05SPEAKERso it's totally in that realm as well.
30:08SPEAKERAnd Windows has gotten closer.
30:11SPEAKERThey're definitely moving in that direction,
30:12SPEAKERbut Windows is still infuriatingly inconsistent
30:15SPEAKERabout what it does and does not keep in your home directory.
30:18SPEAKERThe dream, and yes, I spend a lot of time reading forums,
30:23SPEAKERseeing people talk about Linux installs and stuff,
30:26SPEAKERbut you'll see people saying,
30:27SPEAKER"Yeah, I've had the same home directory
30:29SPEAKER"for the last 15 years across numerous distros
30:31SPEAKER"because you just move it over every time
30:33SPEAKER"and there's all your shit, literally all your shit."
30:36SPEAKERWindows is nowhere near there yet.
30:37SPEAKERThere's just still way too much stuff
30:39SPEAKERscattered across other parts of the C drive
30:41SPEAKERto make it truly portable.
30:42SPEAKER- Well, and there's an uncomfortable,
30:45SPEAKERthere's an uncomfortable,
30:47SPEAKERthe one thing that was really nice
30:48SPEAKERabout this time I installed Windows 11,
30:50SPEAKER'cause I installed it from scratch,
30:51SPEAKERand it was like, "Hey, do you wanna copy your settings
30:52SPEAKER"over from your other Windows machine
30:54SPEAKER"and let you choose all the other Windows machines
30:56SPEAKER"that are logged in under your account?"
30:58SPEAKERWhich was nice.
30:59SPEAKERI haven't actually seen that dialogue before.
31:02SPEAKERI didn't wanna do that, though.
31:04SPEAKERI wanted a clean, I wanted a fresh start,
31:06SPEAKERand then it still pulled some stuff over
31:08SPEAKERfrom the OneDrive syncing and stuff like that.
31:10SPEAKERSo it's not a perfect system.
31:13SPEAKERThe thing that I'm wondering is,
31:16SPEAKERshould I do something?
31:17SPEAKERIn the past, I've done stupid things
31:19SPEAKERlike make symlinks from my other drives
31:23SPEAKERinto my home folder,
31:26SPEAKERand I don't think I'm gonna do that
31:27SPEAKER'cause it's almost always had some unintended consequences.
31:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I've thought about the same thing,
31:31SPEAKERhaving this giant NAS.
31:32SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, so my system drive is like four years old.
31:37SPEAKER"It's like a 512 gig."
31:38SPEAKERYes, it's like a Samsung Evo.
31:41SPEAKERSo it's like adequate for Windows,
31:43SPEAKERbut it does get a little tight,
31:44SPEAKERespecially when I'm syncing all of my Dropbox there
31:46SPEAKERand stuff.
31:48SPEAKERSo I was like, I also am a person
31:50SPEAKERwho tends to throw large things on the desktop
31:52SPEAKERwilly-nilly and think about it later.
31:55SPEAKERAt some point, I was like,
31:56SPEAKER"Oh, what if I just transferred my desktop to the NAS,
31:59SPEAKER"and then I can have unlimited desktop space?"
32:03SPEAKERBut yeah, exactly the type of stuff you said.
32:05SPEAKERThere's always something that is going to break,
32:07SPEAKEReven though that might be a supported feature.
32:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that's it, right?
32:12SPEAKERIs Windows handles symlinks?
32:15SPEAKERSo it usually handles, it respects them.
32:20SPEAKERSo symlinks, if people don't know,
32:22SPEAKERare when in Linux or in NTFS,
32:25SPEAKERyou can say, "Okay, this folder isn't actually a folder
32:29SPEAKER"on the hard drive, it's just a link to this other folder
32:31SPEAKER"someplace else in the file structure."
32:33SPEAKERAnd you can do really stupid stuff,
32:34SPEAKERlike put a symlink to a folder above itself,
32:37SPEAKERwhere you can make a recursive loop
32:38SPEAKERthrough the file structure
32:40SPEAKERthat's gonna cause real problems for you, it's not good.
32:43SPEAKER- Yeah, Windows also, I should actually mention,
32:45SPEAKERWindows for those special folders like desktop downloads,
32:49SPEAKERdocuments, stuff like that in your home directory,
32:50SPEAKERlike it actually at the shell level, at the Explorer level,
32:54SPEAKERyou can just right click those and go to location,
32:57SPEAKERand it supports,
32:58SPEAKERyou can literally just type a new path in there
33:00SPEAKERand like actually just move your desktop
33:02SPEAKERto another place through the shell.
33:04SPEAKER- Yeah, don't do that. - But I still wouldn't.
33:05SPEAKERI still wouldn't. - No, I did that.
33:07SPEAKERI've done that before and it's always a disaster.
33:09SPEAKER- 'Cause that's exactly what I mean,
33:10SPEAKERlike that is literally a supported feature per Microsoft now
33:13SPEAKER'cause it's right there in the GUI,
33:14SPEAKERbut I still would not trifle with that.
33:16SPEAKER- Enough stuff uses hard-coded paths
33:19SPEAKERor paths based on user,
33:22SPEAKERlike they'll do user profile,
33:24SPEAKERyour percent sign user profile, percent sign slash desktop.
33:28SPEAKER- I hate shell expansion in Windows, it's so gross.
33:31SPEAKER- Yeah, and then it just doesn't work.
33:32SPEAKERSo anyway, so that's that.
33:35SPEAKER- Hang on, I didn't even get to quiz you
33:36SPEAKERon the contents of AppData.
33:38SPEAKERLet's see how much time you spent in your AppData directory.
33:41SPEAKER- I did not move anything over from old AppData to new AppData.
33:44SPEAKER- Have you ever figured out the difference
33:45SPEAKERbetween roaming local and local low?
33:48SPEAKER- Yeah, so roaming is for profiles that you can move,
33:52SPEAKERlike if you theoretically are on a network
33:56SPEAKERwhere you're connected to Active Directory
33:58SPEAKERand you have a profile that is portable across PCs,
34:01SPEAKERso you can log into any PC.
34:03SPEAKERThe roaming contents will move from PC to PC.
34:06SPEAKERThe local is local to that local machine only,
34:12SPEAKERbut high security and the local low
34:15SPEAKERis the low security section for that.
34:18SPEAKER- Ah, interesting, I did not know that.
34:20SPEAKERLike in practice, when you go through those directories,
34:22SPEAKERit really just feels like things are distributed randomly
34:25SPEAKERbecause especially if you have a lot of games installed,
34:28SPEAKERbecause there will just be different games
34:29SPEAKERin each one of those without any particular rhyme or reason.
34:32SPEAKER- So if everything was done the way it's intended,
34:37SPEAKERyour local settings for monitor resolution
34:42SPEAKERand stuff like that should be in local or local low
34:44SPEAKERand your saved games should be in roaming.
34:46SPEAKERBut in reality, no home users use roaming profiles
34:49SPEAKER'cause they're a real pain in the ass to set up
34:51SPEAKERand nobody has an Active Directory controller
34:52SPEAKERon their home network.
34:54SPEAKERSo realistically, you're not like those things.
34:57SPEAKERThe other thing that's weird is that now
34:59SPEAKERa lot of applications like the Electron applications,
35:03SPEAKERwhen they load, you get into those save
35:07SPEAKERin either local or local low.
35:09SPEAKERI can't remember which one now.
35:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:11SPEAKER- So anyway.
35:12SPEAKER- I'll say real quick, since we're talking
35:14SPEAKERabout Windows drives, I guess we're probably gonna move on,
35:16SPEAKERbut since I'm moving to a new PC probably in mid-January,
35:19SPEAKERit's looking like, and you just did,
35:21SPEAKERI've become a big believer in Clonezilla,
35:24SPEAKERor I mean, there are other imaging tools
35:25SPEAKERyou can use as well.
35:26SPEAKERThat one is just-
35:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I used it.
35:28SPEAKER- That one is open source and freely available,
35:29SPEAKERso it's easy to get.
35:30SPEAKERBut I guess what I should really say
35:32SPEAKERis I've become a big believer in just imaging my Windows,
35:35SPEAKERmy entire Windows drive off to an external drive,
35:38SPEAKERnot to necessarily do anything with, but just to have.
35:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:42SPEAKER- Like I fully intend to just do a clean ass,
35:45SPEAKERclean install when I build a new machine,
35:47SPEAKERbut like having all of those files,
35:50SPEAKERgame saves, configuration files, like you name it,
35:54SPEAKERlike just having anything there on an external drive
35:56SPEAKERyou can just go pluck off and move over
35:58SPEAKERis a good safety net, I feel like.
36:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it keeps you out of trouble.
36:02SPEAKERI just image mine up to the NAS, my old,
36:05SPEAKERwell, so the old gaming PC is now the streaming PC,
36:08SPEAKERthe old streaming PC got imaged up to the NAS,
36:11SPEAKERand I can pop open that image file really easily
36:14SPEAKERand grab stuff out of it.
36:16SPEAKER- The portable apps thing is interesting
36:22SPEAKERbecause those just came over really nicely
36:24SPEAKERand it was super, like my Notepad++ config
36:26SPEAKERand all that stuff is all there ready to go.
36:28SPEAKER- That's exactly why I do everything portable
36:30SPEAKERthat I can now.
36:31SPEAKER- Yeah, you had said that about six months ago
36:33SPEAKERand I started doing that at that time
36:34SPEAKERand it was really, really good.
36:36SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:37SPEAKER- And then the D drive I made,
36:39SPEAKERthe root has a folder for games where the local store
36:43SPEAKERfor games on that drive lives, so like my Epic Store folder
36:47SPEAKERis there, my main Steam folder is there,
36:52SPEAKERyou play folder, Origin, if I ever play a game
36:56SPEAKERon Origin again, and the Windows games
37:00SPEAKERthat come with Game Pass, but that Windows install
37:03SPEAKERputs crap all over the drive, which really bums me out.
37:06SPEAKER- So what you're describing, in fact, the Windows
37:08SPEAKERand the Game Pass, the PC Game Pass install regime,
37:12SPEAKERwhich is such a mess, is exactly what inspired me
37:15SPEAKERto make a games only drive.
37:16SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:17SPEAKER- And that's where those old SSDs come into play,
37:19SPEAKERI'm doing the same thing you are except my SSDs
37:21SPEAKERare old and slow instead of your super nice fast ones,
37:24SPEAKERbut I've got, I've literally got like five old SSDs
37:27SPEAKER'cause they were all still good and big enough
37:30SPEAKERthat I just lashed them all together into one games drive
37:32SPEAKERthat's about a terabyte and a half.
37:36SPEAKERBut yeah, it's so many games installers
37:38SPEAKERare just doing what they want these days
37:40SPEAKERwithout a lot of control on the user side
37:42SPEAKERthat I was just like, you know what,
37:42SPEAKERI'm just gonna make a quarantine drive,
37:44SPEAKERall games get installed here,
37:46SPEAKERwhatever they want to do to this drive,
37:47SPEAKERlike fine, just do it.
37:48SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:49SPEAKER- I think, I'm pretty sure Microsoft has relaxed
37:52SPEAKERsome of that stuff 'cause remember like for a long time,
37:55SPEAKERI think you couldn't even like enter the install directories
37:57SPEAKERof PC Game Pass games and you definitely couldn't
37:59SPEAKERdelete anything manually or mess with anything in there.
38:02SPEAKER- So you can, like now there's a folder called Xbox games
38:05SPEAKERunder my D games folder, and it has my Game Pass games
38:10SPEAKERin there and they're accessible.
38:12SPEAKERThere's also a folder called program files,
38:17SPEAKERand then there's a sub folder on that
38:19SPEAKERthat's called Modifiable Windows Apps,
38:20SPEAKERwhich is I assume where you put game mods
38:22SPEAKERfor those Xbox Game Pass games.
38:24SPEAKER- Interesting, I also have Xbox games, I see it here.
38:27SPEAKER- Yeah, and then there's Windows apps and WP system.
38:31SPEAKERWP system I can get into and there's what looks like the code
38:34SPEAKERfor the Xbox Game Pass game I have installed.
38:36SPEAKER- Yeah, like the ID.
38:37SPEAKER- The ID and then Windows apps I'm not allowed to touch,
38:41SPEAKERwhich bums me out, I don't like that.
38:42SPEAKER- Oh wow, I have also dug deep into WP system here.
38:46SPEAKERI'm seeing Microsoft dot Dayton, what is Dayton?
38:49SPEAKERLike some of these are like build names
38:51SPEAKERor code or a project code name.
38:52SPEAKER- Yeah, what game do you have installed?
38:53SPEAKERLike Forza or Halo or something?
38:55SPEAKER- I wonder if Dayton might be State of Decay 2.
38:58SPEAKER- Oh, probably, yeah.
38:58SPEAKER- Here's one, here's Gander, Sea of Thieves,
39:01SPEAKERhere's the thrash ball Cole character pack.
39:04SPEAKERAnd anyway, point being, like I really think it's useful
39:07SPEAKERto just have a dedicated games drive these days
39:09SPEAKERbecause the install stuff has gotten so messy
39:11SPEAKERthat it's like, here's just a quarantine dump
39:13SPEAKERfor all the stuff.
39:15SPEAKER- Well, kind of except also everybody else was able
39:19SPEAKERto behave like Steam and Epic and UB and Origin
39:22SPEAKERand all that fit into one folder
39:24SPEAKERand constrain their nonsense to that.
39:26SPEAKERIt's only Microsoft that craps up the whole drive.
39:28SPEAKERSo maybe Microsoft should just get their shit together.
39:31SPEAKER- That's entirely reasonable as well.
39:34SPEAKER- So other stuff on that drive, I have an Epic folder
39:36SPEAKERand then I also did something new.
39:38SPEAKERSo I made a root folder for podcasts,
39:41SPEAKERfor OBS stuff, like which is where all the OBS overlays
39:46SPEAKERand graphics and images and stuff like that will live
39:48SPEAKERwhen I collect them all.
39:50SPEAKERLaser cutter projects, image editing,
39:53SPEAKERand I've made sub folders under there for like big projects
39:56SPEAKERand then a various folder for small projects.
39:58SPEAKER'Cause the place that always breaks down
39:59SPEAKERis if I'm just doing like a quick image crop,
40:02SPEAKERthat doesn't need to be saved in like its own folder.
40:06SPEAKERIt doesn't need to be part of the structure.
40:07SPEAKERIt just needs to, I need a place to put crap.
40:10SPEAKER- A dumping ground.
40:11SPEAKER- I've built in dumping grounds and I'm hoping
40:13SPEAKERthat it sticks better this time.
40:14SPEAKERSo we'll see.
40:15SPEAKER- As I've mentioned this before,
40:17SPEAKERI have a similar directory called random,
40:20SPEAKERbut it's just R and D because I have fully embraced
40:23SPEAKERthe Unix hierarchy style of like my audacity folder
40:27SPEAKERis called odd, A-U-D.
40:29SPEAKER- Oh no, that's too much.
40:31SPEAKERSee, my podcast folder has an audacity recordings
40:33SPEAKERand an audition files folder underneath it.
40:35SPEAKER- Fair, I have proj for mass projects.
40:38SPEAKER- Of course, of course.
40:40SPEAKER- Anyway.
40:42SPEAKER- So then everything gets backed up to Backblaze
40:45SPEAKERthat I haven't actually installed yet, I have to do that.
40:47SPEAKERBut by having everything in this hierarchy,
40:49SPEAKERI can only, I can not back up the games folders, right?
40:52SPEAKER'Cause previously I've been backing up a terabyte of games
40:56SPEAKERevery night, which seems unnecessary
40:58SPEAKERsince I can just download them from the services again.
41:00SPEAKER- Probably faster than you could from Backblaze.
41:02SPEAKER- Almost certainly.
41:04SPEAKERI use Google Photos 'cause our photos just go straight
41:07SPEAKERfrom the phones to Google Photos.
41:11SPEAKERI have the cloud storage services for the different,
41:14SPEAKERfor Stray Bombay and for the podcast
41:15SPEAKERand for other stream stuff.
41:18SPEAKERHaving multiple, having like, it feels weird to me
41:21SPEAKERto have Google Drive and Dropbox and OneDrive,
41:24SPEAKERbut I think it's kind of unavoidable, unfortunately.
41:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, different people use different services
41:29SPEAKERand you've got to collaborate
41:30SPEAKERand sometimes you get free storage.
41:33SPEAKER- Yeah. - On stuff.
41:34SPEAKERLike I just, I lucked into some Dropbox upgrades
41:39SPEAKERa few years ago that I'm clinging to for dear life.
41:41SPEAKERAnd like Microsoft gave out a bunch of OneDrive storage
41:43SPEAKERat one point, you know?
41:44SPEAKER- Yep.
41:46SPEAKERAnd then the others, the NAS is where like deep storage is.
41:50SPEAKERSo there's like some stuff I've ripped,
41:52SPEAKERmovies and music and TV shows,
41:55SPEAKERbackup of pre-Google Photos, home photos and videos,
41:59SPEAKERwhich are also in Google Photos,
42:02SPEAKERlocal backups of laptops,
42:04SPEAKERthe kiddos desktop and my stream PC.
42:07SPEAKERThere's a huge mister folder with roms and saves
42:10SPEAKERand stuff like that the mister can mount over the network
42:13SPEAKERand a public folder that's like the,
42:15SPEAKERhey, here's an easy way to get stuff
42:17SPEAKERfrom one computer to the other on the home network.
42:20SPEAKER- Yeah. - And that's it.
42:21SPEAKER- It'd be shocking to hear that my NAS setup
42:23SPEAKERis almost identical to yours.
42:25SPEAKERI have stuff split up into,
42:27SPEAKERI have a data set from exclusively media,
42:29SPEAKERlike things that are played by something.
42:32SPEAKERSo movies, music, roms, stuff like that.
42:35SPEAKERThat's where the mister mount lives.
42:37SPEAKERI have just like a giant bulk kind of dumping ground
42:40SPEAKERfor anything backup-ish.
42:42SPEAKER- Okay. - So like,
42:43SPEAKERlike all of the tech pod projects
42:45SPEAKERfrom the beginning of time are there,
42:47SPEAKERlike backups of our iPhones.
42:50SPEAKER- How are you backing up your iPhone?
42:51SPEAKER- So those are not super currents.
42:54SPEAKERThis was back from, in fact, they're old enough
42:56SPEAKERthat I should probably just trash them.
42:58SPEAKERActually, what I really need to do is look into
43:01SPEAKERone of those, I think most of them are Mac OS only,
43:03SPEAKERlike one of those like kind of iPhone backup explorers
43:05SPEAKERthat lets you like view all the iMessages in there
43:08SPEAKERand stuff like that. - Oh, it's like the
43:08SPEAKERiTunes backup, like that one?
43:11SPEAKER- Yes, that's what I was gonna say.
43:12SPEAKERIt's from, and you can still do it, but nobody does.
43:15SPEAKERIt's from when you did a manual local backup
43:18SPEAKERin iTunes of your iPhone,
43:19SPEAKERand it would just generate a directory
43:20SPEAKERthat you could restore to a phone.
43:22SPEAKER- I've been doing iTunes,
43:26SPEAKERlike I've not done a clean install on iTunes
43:28SPEAKERfor a long time because I didn't wanna lose
43:30SPEAKERold text messages.
43:31SPEAKER- Yes, that's kind of where I'm at.
43:33SPEAKERMy phone install is only four years old, I think,
43:37SPEAKERbut that's what I'm saying.
43:38SPEAKERI have backups from 10 plus years ago,
43:40SPEAKERand I've mentioned this before,
43:42SPEAKERbut you know, there's like text messages
43:44SPEAKERwith people who are no longer with us in there
43:45SPEAKERthat I would like to not lose and stuff like that.
43:51SPEAKERData, what were we talking about?
43:53SPEAKER- I've got like lots of system images in there,
43:56SPEAKERall kinds of, anything that is backup-ish in nature.
43:59SPEAKERI've actually, since I've been in Linux land
44:01SPEAKERconfiguring everything by hand,
44:04SPEAKERyou can set up Samba to accommodate time machine backups
44:07SPEAKERover the network.
44:08SPEAKER- Oh, I've done that.
44:08SPEAKERThat's how Gina's MacBook is backed up.
44:11SPEAKER- Okay. - It's great.
44:12SPEAKER- That's on my list of things to do,
44:14SPEAKERbut it looks a little bit,
44:15SPEAKERlike there's a decent amount of setup to that,
44:17SPEAKERso I haven't gotten around to it yet.
44:19SPEAKER- Honestly, I wish I could do that with my iPad
44:21SPEAKERbecause like there's stuff on my iPad,
44:24SPEAKERmost of the stuff that I use on my iPad
44:26SPEAKERis saved in Dropbox, which is where the work ends up,
44:30SPEAKERbut I wish that there was a way to back up
44:32SPEAKERthe kind of state of the machine locally
44:34SPEAKERwithout using, like, 'cause it takes a ton of iCloud space.
44:38SPEAKER- Yes, that's just that,
44:39SPEAKERiCloud storage is another thing we should talk about here.
44:42SPEAKERSo I've never paid to upgrade iCloud storage
44:44SPEAKER'cause I just never needed to.
44:45SPEAKER- See, we pay for our family plan
44:46SPEAKERbecause we can't, you can't back up an iPhone
44:50SPEAKERwith five gigabytes or whatever the default free is anymore.
44:53SPEAKER- I kind of, I kind of just don't think
44:55SPEAKERabout phone backups that much, I probably should.
44:58SPEAKERThe main thing though is I just never took enough pictures
45:00SPEAKERand videos to fill up the space.
45:03SPEAKER- Well, we take, I mean, yeah, we take a lot of pictures.
45:05SPEAKER- That's what I'm saying, that's why I don't.
45:06SPEAKERSo I have just finally filled up that five gigabytes
45:09SPEAKERin the last three, four months.
45:11SPEAKER- So you should just do a family thing probably,
45:13SPEAKERand you should share. - We probably should.
45:14SPEAKER- 'Cause it's, the family thing,
45:16SPEAKERthe nice thing about the family thing is you,
45:17SPEAKERso we, honestly, we get Apple Music and Storage
45:23SPEAKERand Apple TV and Arcade for less than the storage
45:29SPEAKERwould have cost, 'cause that's how they get you.
45:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, even without a family plan,
45:32SPEAKERit's stupid cheap, it's like 99 cents a month
45:35SPEAKERto go to 50 gigabytes instead of five.
45:36SPEAKER- Yeah.
45:37SPEAKER- The bigger thing for me though,
45:38SPEAKERis that I don't know that I love the way
45:40SPEAKERthat stuff like photos works with iCloud,
45:42SPEAKERit's all pretty confusing to me.
45:43SPEAKERAnd I have just as, I feel like I'm just as likely
45:47SPEAKERto just turn off photo sync in iCloud instead.
45:51SPEAKERLike I hate the whole like,
45:54SPEAKERare these photos actually on my phone
45:55SPEAKERor am I viewing like cloud photo,
45:57SPEAKERlike thumbnails of cloud photos?
45:58SPEAKERThey're like, I hate not knowing where the physical files
46:01SPEAKERare and that's why I'm, and the other thing is the Dropbox.
46:04SPEAKERI don't know if you have the setup.
46:06SPEAKERDropbox, you can configure to just automatically sync
46:08SPEAKERall your photos and videos off your phone as well.
46:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I'd fill my Dropbox in like 15 minutes
46:11SPEAKERif I did that.
46:12SPEAKERI mean, this is, again, this is just a situation
46:14SPEAKERof you have way, way, way more photos than I do.
46:17SPEAKER- Yeah, the...
46:18SPEAKER- Like I just, the iCloud stuff is just fiddly enough
46:21SPEAKERwith that kind of uncertainty that I had thought about,
46:24SPEAKERlike just not syncing stuff like photos
46:26SPEAKERand using Dropbox for that instead.
46:27SPEAKER- So I actively dislike how iCloud works for photos.
46:32SPEAKER- That's exactly what I'm getting at.
46:34SPEAKER- It's really hard to pull your photos out of iCloud
46:36SPEAKERif you don't have a Mac.
46:38SPEAKER- Right.
46:39SPEAKER- That's why I use Google Photos.
46:42SPEAKER- Okay, that makes sense.
46:43SPEAKERAnd so like, I actually went and hit the toggle on the phone
46:46SPEAKERto stop syncing photos to iCloud at one point
46:48SPEAKERand give you this ominous warning of like,
46:51SPEAKERI forget what the phrasing is,
46:52SPEAKERbut it's something along the lines of like,
46:54SPEAKERokay, your photos will no longer be backed up to the cloud.
46:57SPEAKERYou have 30 days to retrieve them, something, something.
46:59SPEAKER- Hey, dipshit, you're gonna lose
47:01SPEAKERall of your precious memories.
47:03SPEAKER- Right, and it's like, they don't make it super clear,
47:05SPEAKERlike, okay, what is the best way to make sure
47:07SPEAKERI get everything that's up there before you delete it all
47:09SPEAKERbecause I don't wanna use this service anymore
47:10SPEAKER'cause it's stupid.
47:11SPEAKER- I have read how it works multiple times.
47:14SPEAKERI still don't really understand it.
47:16SPEAKERIt's designed like, clearly the thing that they've done
47:19SPEAKERis they've designed it to not ever lose photos
47:23SPEAKERfor people who don't understand how to back stuff up.
47:26SPEAKER- Right.
47:27SPEAKER- But for people who understand how to back stuff up,
47:28SPEAKERit's really fucking confusing.
47:30SPEAKER- So like you said, it varies depending on
47:32SPEAKERif you're on Mac OS or not.
47:33SPEAKERIf you are, my understanding is if you turn off
47:35SPEAKERthat iCloud sync, it will automatically download everything
47:38SPEAKERinto the Photos app in Mac OS.
47:40SPEAKER- Yeah.
47:40SPEAKER- Which is one way to do it, but even then,
47:42SPEAKERI don't know, is that, are those,
47:44SPEAKERare the raw files just available at that point
47:46SPEAKERor are they still abstracted into some kind of like
47:49SPEAKERproprietary database format that I can't get to?
47:51SPEAKERLike, it's all not great.
47:53SPEAKER- Yeah.
47:54SPEAKER- If you're the type of obsessive data nerd that we are.
47:57SPEAKER- I mean, the nice thing about Google Photos
47:58SPEAKERis you can just, you can hit it from your Google Drive even,
48:02SPEAKERI believe, and pull the files out from that.
48:05SPEAKERAlso, there's stuff like R-clone,
48:06SPEAKERwhich we haven't really used yet,
48:07SPEAKERbut we're gonna talk about in an upcoming episode
48:09SPEAKER'cause it's really neat.
48:10SPEAKER- I started to bring that up
48:12SPEAKERwhen we were talking about cloud services earlier.
48:14SPEAKERI installed it.
48:15SPEAKERI just haven't had a chance to hook anything up to it,
48:16SPEAKERbut R-clone is a command line utility
48:20SPEAKERthat basically hooks into like every cloud storage service
48:23SPEAKERyou can possibly think of.
48:25SPEAKER- Like from Dropbox to S3 and-
48:28SPEAKER- Yeah, Amazon S3, like Backblaze, Dropbox,
48:30SPEAKERlike all of the Google services,
48:32SPEAKERincluding like Photos and cloud storage,
48:35SPEAKERAzure Blob Storage, Mega.
48:38SPEAKER- I love a good Azure Blob just for the record.
48:41SPEAKER- For all of your legitimate uses of Mega,
48:43SPEAKERit supports that.
48:44SPEAKERYandex disk, like WebDAV,
48:46SPEAKERI mean, what's like, it's just 10 cent cloud object storage.
48:49SPEAKERLike it takes literally everything,
48:51SPEAKERlike a bunch of Oracle stuff.
48:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but also consumer stuff that normal people would use.
48:55SPEAKER- Yeah, next cloud, own cloud, like it is command line
48:57SPEAKERand I have not really messed with it much yet.
48:59SPEAKERAnd Dreamhost is on here,
49:01SPEAKERCloudflare, R2, DigitalOcean Spaces.
49:04SPEAKERThe point is you can like go through the auth process
49:06SPEAKERand hook all of these cloud services up
49:07SPEAKERto this one command line tool.
49:10SPEAKER- And then it lets you script your backups
49:12SPEAKERand stuff like that is the idea, right?
49:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it has a bunch of built-in,
49:15SPEAKERlike it's right there in the pitch at the top of,
49:19SPEAKERlike in the about.
49:21SPEAKEROur clone has powerful cloud equivalents
49:23SPEAKERto the Unix commands, rsync, cp, mv, mount, ls, ncdu,
49:27SPEAKERtree, rm, and cat.
49:29SPEAKERSo it's like, if you want to just have command line access
49:32SPEAKERto like every cloud service that you own all in one place,
49:36SPEAKERit seems pretty awesome for that.
49:39SPEAKERBut we'll talk about it more after I've messed with it some.
49:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna use it.
49:43SPEAKERLike I'm a little anxious about having all of my photos,
49:46SPEAKERmy family photos,
49:47SPEAKER'cause both Gina and I sync our photos there,
49:50SPEAKERstored someplace that like if I stop paying for it,
49:52SPEAKERthey'll go away.
49:53SPEAKER- But that's another part of the iCloud stuff
49:55SPEAKERthat like, I don't, again,
49:57SPEAKERit's not that 99 cents a month is like breaking the bank.
50:00SPEAKERIt's just this, it's more of this paranoia,
50:02SPEAKERlike you said about like-
50:03SPEAKER- It's like, what if I get hit by a bus
50:05SPEAKERand I'm in the hospital for a month and forget about the,
50:07SPEAKERmiss the credit card changeover or something.
50:10SPEAKER- Right, like the 30 day,
50:11SPEAKER30, like it literally is like 30 days
50:13SPEAKERand they just delete everything.
50:14SPEAKERLike it's just, it's just too fiddly
50:16SPEAKERand too hands-off for my taste.
50:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:18SPEAKER- Anyway, like our clone would make something like,
50:21SPEAKERlike dealing with a tech pod, you know, like we share,
50:24SPEAKERwe share podcast files or the FOSS pod.
50:26SPEAKERAnd like, I run a script to encode the FOSS pod
50:28SPEAKERinto audio and video for YouTube.
50:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:31SPEAKER- And I could just, I could run that script against,
50:33SPEAKERpresumably through our clone, against the cloud file,
50:36SPEAKERinstead of having to manually move stuff around.
50:37SPEAKERIt seems neat.
50:39SPEAKER- So what am I doing wrong, Brad?
50:41SPEAKERI guess is the question.
50:43SPEAKER- Everything, no, everything sounds pretty reasonable.
50:46SPEAKERLike I said, I mean,
50:47SPEAKERlike our NAS philosophies seem pretty similar.
50:51SPEAKEROur local storage stuff seems pretty similar.
50:53SPEAKEROur clouds, I think we're,
50:55SPEAKERwe're pretty in sync on a lot of this stuff.
50:58SPEAKERWhat's your backup, what's your NAS backup stuff like?
51:00SPEAKERLike backlays for desktop is fine
51:03SPEAKER'cause it's just a flat fee.
51:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
51:05SPEAKER- To backup everything.
51:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
51:07SPEAKER- But when you get into bulk storage.
51:12SPEAKER- So I have a real big hard drive that I plug in
51:14SPEAKERevery once in a while and run a backup script on it.
51:16SPEAKER- Okay, sure.
51:17SPEAKERIt's one way to go.
51:18SPEAKER- It's not a great, I'm about to outgrow
51:20SPEAKERthat hard drive though, which is a problem.
51:22SPEAKER- Okay.
51:23SPEAKER- So I don't know what I'm going to do after that.
51:24SPEAKERI wish that I could hook back.
51:25SPEAKERI like, I would happily pay, like in a perfect world,
51:28SPEAKERwhat I would do, what I used to do was back up the NAS.
51:33SPEAKERI used to back up everything in the house to the NAS
51:34SPEAKERand then back up the NAS.
51:36SPEAKER- That's, yes, that's, that's kind of the way to go to,
51:38SPEAKERfor me, I think.
51:39SPEAKER- But it's, there's no easy way to back blaze the NAS
51:42SPEAKERand the people that used to do,
51:43SPEAKERthe people that used to run the TrueNAS plugin
51:46SPEAKERor FreeNAS plugin back then, they'll let you back back.
51:49SPEAKERThey don't do consumer backups anymore.
51:50SPEAKERSo I don't know what I'm going to do.
51:52SPEAKER- Well, back blaze changes their pricing
51:54SPEAKERso that you can't back up network volumes
51:57SPEAKERwith the flat rate anymore.
51:58SPEAKERYou have to pay by the gigabyte, which gets very expensive.
52:00SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:02SPEAKER- So I, it's not functional right now,
52:04SPEAKERbut my NAS backup plan regimen is,
52:09SPEAKERI have a separate volume down the hall,
52:11SPEAKERhooked up to a Raspberry Pi.
52:12SPEAKER- Okay.
52:13SPEAKER- And the NAS, this is how it was working
52:14SPEAKERbefore I rebuilt everything.
52:15SPEAKERI just need to set it back up.
52:16SPEAKERAnd the NAS syncs to that every night.
52:19SPEAKER- Okay.
52:20SPEAKER- So overnight just, and it's incremental.
52:22SPEAKERSo it's very fast.
52:23SPEAKERIf very little data has changed,
52:25SPEAKERthen very little data gets transferred over the network.
52:28SPEAKERThat used to be a couple of Western digital elements,
52:32SPEAKERjust what USB drives.
52:33SPEAKER- Like 20 terabyte elements or something?
52:34SPEAKER- They were 10 each.
52:36SPEAKERYeah, plugged into the Pi.
52:38SPEAKERAnyway, I bought a little four bay USB enclosure
52:41SPEAKERthat I've shut the drives into now.
52:42SPEAKERAnd I bought a couple more elements in there,
52:44SPEAKERbut I think it's nice.
52:46SPEAKERLike if the house is on fire and I-
52:47SPEAKER- You can just grab it.
52:48SPEAKER- I can't grab the whole NAS,
52:50SPEAKERbut this little four bay USB thing is,
52:52SPEAKERyou can easily tuck it under your arm, run out the door.
52:54SPEAKER'Cause clearly that's the only thing
52:56SPEAKERI would try to save from a burning house.
53:00SPEAKERBut, and then I am kind of into this three, two, one
53:05SPEAKERbackup philosophy that have three, three locations
53:10SPEAKERfor your data to local one cloud.
53:12SPEAKER- Okay, I mean, like really the stuff that's on my NAS
53:16SPEAKERthat's irreplaceable is the home photos and stuff like that.
53:20SPEAKERI can re-rip disks and realistically, if they go away,
53:23SPEAKERit's not the end of the world, but like-
53:25SPEAKER- Exactly, so I've been looking at this
53:29SPEAKERfor the last couple of years and just putting it off
53:30SPEAKERand never really getting into it,
53:32SPEAKERbut getting our clone set up, I think is the thing
53:34SPEAKERthat's gonna finally push me over the edge.
53:36SPEAKERBecause like I said, it hooks into stuff like Amazon S3
53:39SPEAKERand Glacier and the Azure Blob Storage,
53:42SPEAKERwhich are very deep long-term archival cloud services
53:46SPEAKERwhere it's very cheap to store a large amount of data.
53:50SPEAKER- Like dollars a terabyte per month.
53:53SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, like it only gets expensive
53:55SPEAKERif you ever need to retrieve the data,
53:57SPEAKERwhich at that point, something catastrophic has happened
54:00SPEAKERand you're probably willing to pay the money
54:01SPEAKERto get it back anyway.
54:03SPEAKERSo I have, like you said, I've got tons of old photos,
54:06SPEAKERlike all of our old home movies are digitized now on there.
54:10SPEAKERI mean, also, you know me, like every week
54:12SPEAKERI'm finding something else on there from my past that's-
54:15SPEAKER- I'm sure you have like an elementary school project
54:18SPEAKERsaved there somewhere.
54:20SPEAKER- It's, you know, like pretty much all of my college work
54:23SPEAKERis floating around in there in various places.
54:25SPEAKER- That's funny.
54:26SPEAKER- That is amusing.
54:27SPEAKERBut anyway, like it's not that much data.
54:28SPEAKERSo it's like maybe 500 gig of stuff
54:30SPEAKERthat is like actually truly sentimentally irreplaceable.
54:33SPEAKERAnd so I'm thinking I'm probably gonna use our clone
54:36SPEAKERto sync that up to like S3, Glacier.
54:41SPEAKERIs Glacier part of S3?
54:42SPEAKER- Glacier is a type of S3 container.
54:45SPEAKER- Okay.
54:46SPEAKER- So S3 is like all of their main storage.
54:49SPEAKERThere's different storages for application use
54:51SPEAKERand stuff like that.
54:52SPEAKERThat's like more connected to EC2 instances
54:55SPEAKERor other types of server instances.
54:56SPEAKERBut yeah, Glacier is just basically deep storage
55:00SPEAKERranging from, hey, we can have your data
55:02SPEAKERin a couple of milliseconds or a few hundred milliseconds
55:05SPEAKERto, hey, we can have your data 12 hours from now,
55:07SPEAKERdepending on how much you wanna pay per gigabyte.
55:10SPEAKER- Right.
55:10SPEAKERSo I probably would go to the absolute cheapest
55:13SPEAKERversion of that because it's just legacy sentimental stuff.
55:17SPEAKERSo if I lost it all and I had to wait a day
55:21SPEAKERto get it back, like fine.
55:22SPEAKER- Well, and the nice thing about that is
55:23SPEAKERif you're just buying like a terabyte,
55:25SPEAKERI think I looked at the pricing of the day
55:27SPEAKERand the storage is like, it was literally like three
55:29SPEAKERor four bucks a terabyte per month.
55:32SPEAKER- Right.
55:33SPEAKER- And that's enough that I would just prepay,
55:35SPEAKERlike prepay a few years.
55:38SPEAKER- Right.
55:39SPEAKER- So I'm not as worried about it.
55:40SPEAKER- Yeah, if that's the price,
55:41SPEAKERthen I'm probably looking at like two bucks a month
55:43SPEAKERto keep that up there.
55:44SPEAKERAnd that seems appealing to me.
55:47SPEAKER- Yep.
55:48SPEAKER- Let's see.
55:50SPEAKERCouple other miscellaneous notes I made
55:51SPEAKERbefore we started here.
55:52SPEAKERYou pointed out going back to the game stuff,
55:55SPEAKERis it actually called storage manager?
55:57SPEAKERThis new feature in Steam that sounds like it came about
55:59SPEAKERdue to the Steam Deck.
56:00SPEAKER- It's, yeah, so it's, if you can find it,
56:04SPEAKERif you open up your Steam settings and go to downloads
56:07SPEAKERand click the Steam libraries folder button,
56:10SPEAKERSteam library folders button at the top of that page,
56:13SPEAKERthere's now this new UI that lets you see
56:16SPEAKERbased on which drive you're on,
56:21SPEAKERwhat games are stored on which drive,
56:22SPEAKERand you can select multiples and move them all together
56:25SPEAKERrather than have to do them individually,
56:27SPEAKERwhich is super duper nice, it turns out.
56:29SPEAKER- Yeah, this is an incredibly better interface
56:31SPEAKERthan they had before.
56:32SPEAKER- Yep, it's really good.
56:34SPEAKERHighly recommend it.
56:35SPEAKERThis is, the first place I saw this was on the Steam Deck.
56:38SPEAKERSo yeah, I think this was a Steam Deck feature
56:40SPEAKERthat's getting, I think they're gradually bringing over
56:42SPEAKERthe Steam Deck UI into the main Steam interface,
56:44SPEAKERif I had to guess.
56:45SPEAKER- I was gonna say, like as not an owner of a Steam Deck,
56:48SPEAKERmy favorite thing about the Steam Deck so far
56:49SPEAKERis all the features that are trickling down
56:51SPEAKERto desktop Steam.
56:52SPEAKER- Yeah, agreed.
56:54SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a great way to see everything
56:55SPEAKERyou've got installed, move stuff between install locations.
56:58SPEAKER- You can uninstall, like I installed a bunch of,
56:59SPEAKERonce I found this, I was able to uninstall all the games
57:01SPEAKERfrom the old PC in like two minutes, which was awesome.
57:04SPEAKER- Yeah, a bunch of sorting options as well,
57:06SPEAKERso you can sort and just bulk uninstall stuff.
57:09SPEAKER- Here's a question for you, Brad.
57:12SPEAKERWhat do you do about scratch space for applications
57:15SPEAKERlike Photoshop and Affinity and stuff like that
57:18SPEAKERthat wants scratch space on the disk?
57:20SPEAKER- That's one of the reasons I was saying,
57:21SPEAKERI like to keep the C drive for just system stuff
57:24SPEAKERthat I don't know about and put all of things
57:26SPEAKERlike game installs on a separate drive
57:27SPEAKERis exactly that reason.
57:28SPEAKERIt's like, okay, I don't know how much like temp file space
57:31SPEAKERWindows needs or swap or et cetera, et cetera these days.
57:36SPEAKERAnd for, so it's like any application like that
57:39SPEAKERthat needs space just has it there on the system drive
57:42SPEAKERand I don't have to think about it.
57:43SPEAKER- For me, I mean, that's why I only keep like two games
57:46SPEAKERon that drive, right?
57:47SPEAKERLike that's not, I'm not gonna,
57:49SPEAKERif I end up in a situation where I look at my computer
57:52SPEAKERand it's like, hey man, you got a 50 gigs free
57:55SPEAKERor a hundred gigs free on this two terabyte drive,
57:58SPEAKERI've really messed up.
57:59SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.
58:00SPEAKERSo I routinely am around 50 to a hundred gig free
58:03SPEAKERon my C drive, but mine is way smaller than yours.
58:05SPEAKERLike once you're at a two terabyte system drive,
58:08SPEAKERlike you can certainly get a little looser
58:10SPEAKERabout what you put on there.
58:11SPEAKER- I think I'll be, look, that's eight war zones, Brad.
58:14SPEAKER- Man, that's a lot of war zones.
58:15SPEAKER- I can fit all the war zones.
58:18SPEAKER- I am very excited about building a new PC.
58:20SPEAKERTalking to you about this stuff.
58:22SPEAKERI am like, one of the nice things about waiting so long
58:26SPEAKERis that when you finally get there,
58:27SPEAKERit's just that much sweeter.
58:28SPEAKER- It's gonna be so fast.
58:29SPEAKERYou're gonna not know what to do with yourself.
58:31SPEAKER- I really am not.
58:32SPEAKERI think my last question for you.
58:34SPEAKER- Yes.
58:37SPEAKER- How do you float directories that you want to be
58:39SPEAKERat the top to the top?
58:41SPEAKERWhat is your naming scheme for making a directory
58:43SPEAKERthat should be at the top of the list
58:45SPEAKERto be at the top of the list?
58:47SPEAKER- I, that has never even occurred to me.
58:49SPEAKER- Wait, you don't do that?
58:50SPEAKER- I just sort everything by recent.
58:52SPEAKER- Interesting.
58:53SPEAKER- I either sort by recent or alphabetical.
58:55SPEAKER- You don't do like an AAA underscore?
58:58SPEAKER- No, God, no, that would make me crazy.
59:00SPEAKER- Wait, really?
59:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:02SPEAKER- Huh, okay.
59:03SPEAKERI'm not saying I do it everywhere,
59:04SPEAKERbut occasionally you want a directory
59:06SPEAKERto appear right at the top.
59:07SPEAKER- Wow.
59:07SPEAKER- Traditionally, I traditionally have been
59:09SPEAKERan exclamation mark at the front of the name person.
59:12SPEAKER- That's madness.
59:13SPEAKER- To make it float to the top,
59:14SPEAKERit's usually a temporary thing.
59:16SPEAKER- Wow, no, I, almost all folders are sorted by modified,
59:20SPEAKERdate modified root folders.
59:23SPEAKERLike my D drive is sorted by, is sorted alphabetically.
59:26SPEAKER- Yeah, that, I mean, that works fine in File Explorer,
59:28SPEAKERof course, I mean, it's more like command line
59:30SPEAKERwhere things are.
59:32SPEAKER- This may shock you,
59:33SPEAKERbut I don't use the command line that often.
59:35SPEAKER- Oh man, you should rediscover it.
59:36SPEAKER- It's a good time.
59:37SPEAKERAnyway, I've always been an exclamation mark,
59:40SPEAKERbut now that I'm doing a lot of command line,
59:42SPEAKERnow you have to escape the exclamation mark,
59:45SPEAKERwhich is a pain.
59:46SPEAKERSo I'm thinking about moving to AAA.
59:48SPEAKER- Well, I just tab complete everything
59:49SPEAKERfrom command lining too.
59:51SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I do too.
59:52SPEAKERI do too, but you still have to think about it.
59:54SPEAKER- So that's it, that's our storage strategies.
59:56SPEAKERPlease tell us how we're wrong.
59:58SPEAKERThe big thing I have to do now
59:59SPEAKERis collect all my OBS overlays on both PCs,
1:00:03SPEAKERlike all the files referenced.
1:00:04SPEAKERI wish that there was a tool.
1:00:06SPEAKERI know that when we had Jim on the FOSS pod,
1:00:07SPEAKERhe talked about that being an upcoming feature.
1:00:10SPEAKER- Yes, he's talked about like an export manager
1:00:12SPEAKERfor profiles and scenes and all that kind of stuff.
1:00:14SPEAKER- Yeah, but it's not in yet.
1:00:15SPEAKERAnd I wanna go ahead and do it now
1:00:16SPEAKERwhile I'm thinking about it.
1:00:17SPEAKERIt's front of mind.
1:00:19SPEAKER- It seems like the way to go
1:00:20SPEAKERwould be to just make an OBS assets folder
1:00:24SPEAKERat the root of a drive.
1:00:25SPEAKERAnd then anytime you're on a new machine, just move that.
1:00:27SPEAKER'Cause then you don't have to worry about relative paths
1:00:29SPEAKERif it's always at the root.
1:00:31SPEAKER- Well, I mean, and the thing is OBS has a good tool
1:00:33SPEAKERif you load up a profile and it doesn't see the files,
1:00:36SPEAKERit can't find the files.
1:00:37SPEAKERIt'll say, "Hey, where are these files?"
1:00:38SPEAKERAnd you can point it at a folder
1:00:39SPEAKERand it'll go through and search and find them all
1:00:41SPEAKERassuming the file names are right.
1:00:43SPEAKERSo like getting them all in one place
1:00:45SPEAKERso they're easily movable is the key.
1:00:47SPEAKERAnd then having the discipline to save new stuff
1:00:50SPEAKERin those folders is the secondary key.
1:00:53SPEAKER- Sure.
1:00:53SPEAKER- So anyway, I think that's an episode, Brad.
1:00:58SPEAKER- Yeah, storage.
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1:01:52SPEAKER- And that'll just about do it for us this week.
1:01:55SPEAKERLet's see, next week, I think we're gonna have
1:01:57SPEAKERa special guest on the show, so.
1:01:59SPEAKER- It's exciting.
1:02:00SPEAKER- Yeah, somebody who's not been back
1:02:01SPEAKERfor a returning special guest, even.
1:02:03SPEAKERHave we had?
1:02:04SPEAKERWe've only had one returning guest, I think, right?
1:02:06SPEAKER- I think that's right.
1:02:08SPEAKERThis guest may be the most appearingest guest we've had.
1:02:11SPEAKER- Yeah, well, it's like in terms of number of times
1:02:15SPEAKERthey've been on the show, it's you and me tied
1:02:17SPEAKERfor number one, I think, and then this person,
1:02:21SPEAKERand then a bunch of people tied for number three, so.
1:02:25SPEAKERAlthough I wanna get Micah back on
1:02:26SPEAKERto talk about Atari 50 sometime, because.
1:02:28SPEAKER- Yes, that would be great.
1:02:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been, like I'm still enjoying
1:02:33SPEAKERthe heck out of that.
1:02:34SPEAKERBut we will see you all next week.
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