00:00SPEAKER- How are you feeling Brad?
00:01SPEAKER- Oh, you know, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
00:04SPEAKER- I listened to the Nextlander podcast this week
00:05SPEAKERand you sounded a little bit a movie announcer.
00:09SPEAKER- It's been a couple of weeks in my throat and chest.
00:12SPEAKER- You're definitely sounding a little more Brad.
00:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, to me like Vinny actually,
00:18SPEAKERVinny actually had to go re-EQ me.
00:21SPEAKER- Oh really?
00:22SPEAKER- Because some people were complaining like apparently,
00:24SPEAKERapparently the tone was getting down into an area
00:27SPEAKERof base response that some people's headphones
00:29SPEAKERcould not handle and they were kind of losing me, I guess,
00:33SPEAKERor I was really muddying out.
00:35SPEAKER- The thing I want to know is did somebody,
00:37SPEAKERdid anybody put you on in their car
00:40SPEAKERon the rumble, rumble, rumble speaker?
00:42SPEAKERSo that like just people, they're driving down cruising
00:45SPEAKERand all they hear is Brad going,
00:47SPEAKERyeah, I think the dad was real sad.
00:51SPEAKERI don't know, the boy's bad, the dad's sad.
00:54SPEAKERSomebody else is mad, I don't know.
00:56SPEAKER- Yes, sad dad had bad lad.
00:58SPEAKERMy cousin was one of those people in the 90s.
01:01SPEAKER- Oh, look.
01:03SPEAKER- He had a Camaro with like the extreme,
01:06SPEAKERlike the base that rattled the car everywhere
01:08SPEAKERand the windows all over the place.
01:10SPEAKER- Did he be like, the thing that I loved about those guys
01:12SPEAKERis that they were really, really good
01:14SPEAKERat a very specific subset of physics
01:16SPEAKERthat involved calculating the frequency of base,
01:19SPEAKERthe wavelength of the frequency of base
01:21SPEAKERthey wanted to amplify so that they could build
01:23SPEAKERa folded plywood tube with two 12 inch woofers
01:29SPEAKERon either end that would make a positive feedback loop.
01:32SPEAKER'Cause that's like, a lot of dudes took wood shop
01:35SPEAKERjust so they could build off-brand generic butt kickers.
01:39SPEAKER- Oh yeah, my firsthand experience
01:41SPEAKERof having ridden around in that Camaro
01:43SPEAKERis that listening to or even being able to hear the music
01:46SPEAKERis pretty much secondary to the effect that you have
01:49SPEAKERon the people that you're driving by.
01:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, you're basically just saying,
01:53SPEAKERhey, I'm kind of an asshole.
01:56SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.
01:57SPEAKER- I mean, you're driving a Camaro, so it's implied, I guess.
02:01SPEAKER- Shot fired, but not really.
02:02SPEAKER- Look, Bristol was a Mustang town, Brad.
02:05SPEAKER(upbeat music)
02:27SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)
02:34SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.
02:36SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.
02:38SPEAKER- Hello. - Hi.
02:40SPEAKER- Brad, it's the first episode of the month,
02:41SPEAKERwhich you know what that means.
02:42SPEAKER- Questions.
02:43SPEAKER- Well, we were gonna do questions last week,
02:45SPEAKERbut somebody was sick and was like,
02:47SPEAKERI'm too sick to podcast, so instead we...
02:51SPEAKER- I didn't realize until I posted that that was the episode
02:55SPEAKERthat I talked about going to the urologist.
02:56SPEAKER- Oh, no, oh, no, that's, you know,
03:01SPEAKERsomebody, a couple of the questions we got
03:03SPEAKERin the questions channel were about things in that episode
03:05SPEAKERthat I guess people maybe who are on the lower tier
03:09SPEAKERof the Patreon had not heard before.
03:11SPEAKER- Oh, that's funny, yeah.
03:12SPEAKER- And like one of them was about me taking voice therapy
03:14SPEAKERor having voice therapy a year ago.
03:16SPEAKERPoint is it made me realize when we just willy nilly pluck
03:20SPEAKERan old patron episode from the archives
03:22SPEAKERand throw it out on the main feed out of necessity,
03:24SPEAKERoccasionally I was like, you need to go do an accounting
03:27SPEAKERof what was discussed in that episode
03:29SPEAKERbecause we get a little loose,
03:31SPEAKERa little all over the place in those things.
03:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like 2,500 of our closest friends
03:35SPEAKERlisten to that show, so, but yeah, the urologist,
03:40SPEAKERif you want more of that, you can sign up at the $5 tier
03:42SPEAKERand you get one of those a month where we talk about,
03:44SPEAKERsometimes it's just more questions.
03:46SPEAKERSometimes like this month we had a bounty of cues
03:49SPEAKERthat needed to be turned into A's.
03:51SPEAKER- That's right.
03:51SPEAKER- So sometimes we just do question overrun,
03:54SPEAKERprobably maybe that'll be this month's patron episode
03:57SPEAKERwill be a question overrun episode.
03:58SPEAKER- We should be this lucky every month.
04:02SPEAKER- Yeah, it is that time of the month
04:05SPEAKERwhere we turn cues into A's.
04:06SPEAKERSo if you have questions,
04:07SPEAKERyou can send them to podcast@content.town
04:09SPEAKERor if you're in the Discord,
04:11SPEAKERyou can post them in the Cues Seeking A's channel
04:14SPEAKERand we will do our best to answer them.
04:17SPEAKERMeaning serious or cake batter, we'll do them all.
04:20SPEAKER- That's right.
04:23SPEAKER- Do you know what I named these files?
04:25SPEAKER- October space hyphen 22 or apostrophe 22.
04:30SPEAKER- Oh no, that's the Google drive, sorry.
04:31SPEAKERI meant the audacity project slash like archive
04:35SPEAKERof the episode project.
04:36SPEAKER- No, I don't.
04:37SPEAKER- My naming scheme is E episode number.
04:40SPEAKERSo like E156 dash and then a just quick summary of the title.
04:44SPEAKERYou actually came up with this.
04:47SPEAKER- Oh, this is what I've done since the start of the,
04:49SPEAKERthis is why I did this on the Maximum PC podcast too.
04:51SPEAKER- Right, so it'll be like a couple of weeks ago,
04:54SPEAKERit was like E155 Geforce 4090 or whatever,
04:57SPEAKERor like E156 Gordon, that kind of thing.
05:01SPEAKERBut for Q and A is your term,
05:03SPEAKERyour abbreviation is Q-A-N-D-A.
05:07SPEAKER- Yeah, Q and A.
05:08SPEAKER- So Q and A in one letter,
05:09SPEAKERbut in my mind or my head,
05:11SPEAKERI've come to pronounce that as Conda.
05:13SPEAKER- Conda?
05:14SPEAKER- Conda, I feel like if there was a U,
05:17SPEAKERif it was Q-U-A, I would pronounce it Conda.
05:20SPEAKER- It's kind of like the Australian airline.
05:21SPEAKERThat's Quanta, Qantas.
05:23SPEAKER- Qantas, Qantas, Qantas.
05:25SPEAKER- There's a U in there though.
05:26SPEAKER- Also, also Conda is a Python packaging scheme manager.
05:31SPEAKER- I installed that for stable diffusion the other day.
05:33SPEAKER- Yeah, interesting.
05:35SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:36SPEAKER- What are you running that in?
05:37SPEAKER- Stable diffusion?
05:38SPEAKER- Or yeah, the whole, your Conda set up.
05:41SPEAKERAre you running it in a Windows subsystem for Linux?
05:43SPEAKERThey need a better WSL too.
05:45SPEAKERThey really need a better name for that thing.
05:47SPEAKERAre you running it in one of those instances?
05:48SPEAKER- No, I just installed mini Conda on the Windows
05:51SPEAKERin PowerShell and I'm running it there.
05:53SPEAKER- Okay.
05:54SPEAKER- It works shockingly well.
05:55SPEAKER- Interesting.
05:56SPEAKERSo not to, I know we have questions to get to.
05:58SPEAKERWSL2 supports CUDA on Nvidia now directly.
06:02SPEAKERSo like the, you don't even need special drivers.
06:04SPEAKERThe regular drivers that Nvidia distributes for everything
06:07SPEAKERsupports CUDA in WSL2 now.
06:09SPEAKERSo you can actually do all of your AI driven Python stuff
06:14SPEAKERdirectly in Linux on Windows now.
06:16SPEAKER- I wonder if there's perf differences.
06:17SPEAKER'Cause everybody recommends using the mini Conda install.
06:20SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:22SPEAKER- And like it spikes, when I do stable diffusion,
06:25SPEAKERif I have the settings right,
06:26SPEAKERit uses all 24 gigs of memory on the 4090
06:30SPEAKERand it spikes the GPU.
06:32SPEAKERLike it's literally the only thing that's made the fan
06:33SPEAKERspin up in that GPU since I got it.
06:35SPEAKER- So I mostly know this because John Carmack,
06:39SPEAKERyou know, he's like running an AI startup now.
06:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:42SPEAKER- Like he was tweeting about this exact issue
06:43SPEAKERthat he had such a pain setting up Conda and PyTorch
06:46SPEAKERand the stuff he needed for AI work in Windows.
06:49SPEAKERAnd like a bunch of the replies were like,
06:51SPEAKERdude, just run it in WSL2.
06:52SPEAKERAnd some of those people said they,
06:55SPEAKERthis seems super anecdotal,
06:56SPEAKERbut some of those people said that they felt like
06:58SPEAKERit performed better in Linux.
07:00SPEAKERIn fact, I think a couple of them said
07:01SPEAKERthey had benchmarked it.
07:02SPEAKER- Benchmark.
07:03SPEAKERI mean, it shouldn't be something that's easy to benchmark.
07:05SPEAKERAnd like also the version of Python,
07:07SPEAKERI wonder if the version of Python you're using
07:09SPEAKERmakes a difference 'cause it could be that there,
07:12SPEAKER'cause I think the stable diffusion stuff
07:13SPEAKERonly supports 3.1, 3.10 rather.
07:16SPEAKERIt doesn't support 3.11.
07:18SPEAKER- That's probably right.
07:19SPEAKER- So yeah.
07:20SPEAKER- Python man, what a mess.
07:21SPEAKER- Yeah, Python.
07:22SPEAKER- I want to mess with that stuff myself
07:24SPEAKERif I get my hands on an ADA card at some point.
07:26SPEAKER- It is, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you,
07:28SPEAKERit is very, it's stupid and fun in a very like,
07:33SPEAKERhey, what can I do with this weird fractal generator way
07:36SPEAKERfrom like 1993?
07:38SPEAKER- Yes, but also like, man,
07:41SPEAKERI promise we'll get to some questions eventually.
07:43SPEAKERIt seems like it would be a really good idea
07:44SPEAKERto get up to speed on setting stuff like that up
07:46SPEAKERin general now because there's stuff like,
07:48SPEAKERthere's stuff like whisper out there,
07:49SPEAKERwhich is the AI driven transcription routine.
07:53SPEAKERSo like it's way more than just generating stupid AI art now
07:57SPEAKERor whatever.
07:58SPEAKERI think there are gonna be more and more functional tools
08:00SPEAKERthat just make people's lives easier, like every day soon.
08:04SPEAKER- That's the thing.
08:05SPEAKERAnd already, like honestly,
08:07SPEAKEReven with the stable diffusion stuff,
08:08SPEAKERI've been doing, I think I'm actually gonna start,
08:11SPEAKERI might start at Tumblr, at Tumblr image blog
08:14SPEAKERand go back to like 19 or 2008, I guess,
08:18SPEAKERof shit I've generated on stable diffusion.
08:21SPEAKER'Cause like it's so throw away and easy
08:24SPEAKERto just jam something out real quick.
08:26SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds fun.
08:27SPEAKER- It's pretty fun.
08:28SPEAKER- Obviously there are ethical considerations around
08:30SPEAKERlike using it for commercial purposes,
08:32SPEAKERbut for things like just making a dumb,
08:34SPEAKERstarted to say Twitter avatar,
08:36SPEAKERbut let's say a social platform of choice avatar.
08:39SPEAKER- Yeah, your social platform.
08:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fine for that stuff.
08:42SPEAKEROkay, all right, questions.
08:43SPEAKERWe're gonna turn cues the days.
08:44SPEAKERYou wanna read them?
08:45SPEAKERI can take over reading responsibilities
08:47SPEAKERjust this once if you need.
08:48SPEAKER- Up to you, I think I'm okay.
08:50SPEAKER- Okay, go for it, let it rip.
08:51SPEAKER- All right, let's start with a question
08:53SPEAKERfrom Millhouse Phoenix.
08:56SPEAKERWhat type of long weekend do you prefer?
08:58SPEAKERFriday, Saturday and Sunday or Sunday?
09:01SPEAKERGod, let me try it.
09:04SPEAKERI swear I know the order of the days of the week.
09:05SPEAKERLet me try this again.
09:06SPEAKERFriday, Saturday and Sunday
09:09SPEAKERor Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
09:11SPEAKERCan I throw out a big brain answer here?
09:17SPEAKER- Wait, is there a third alternative?
09:19SPEAKER- I like a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
09:21SPEAKER- Oh, well, I mean, look,
09:22SPEAKERI think most people would agree
09:24SPEAKERa four-day weekend is better than a three.
09:27SPEAKER- Yeah.
09:27SPEAKER- Oh, they did just say long weekend to be fair.
09:30SPEAKER- They did not specify.
09:31SPEAKERAnd sometimes you get both, which is the ultimate.
09:35SPEAKERI mean, look, I like a Thanksgiving.
09:36SPEAKERI like a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
09:39SPEAKERLike that Thursday feels like a real,
09:41SPEAKERit's just like a gift.
09:42SPEAKERIt's yeah.
09:44SPEAKER- The four-day weekend is amazing because of what it does.
09:46SPEAKERWell, specifically the Thursday, Friday is amazing
09:49SPEAKERbecause of what it does to the week prior.
09:51SPEAKER- You mean the non-week, that's a week that nobody works.
09:53SPEAKER- Like a three-day week is barely a week.
09:55SPEAKERI mean, granted when you're in like
09:57SPEAKERscheduled internet content, you have to make the content.
09:59SPEAKERYou have to do the work regardless, but still.
10:02SPEAKER- It's funny because aside from retail
10:05SPEAKERand the people who work in content,
10:08SPEAKERno one else in like, no business happens
10:11SPEAKERon that Thanksgiving.
10:13SPEAKER- I mean, I worked at places like CNET and CBS
10:16SPEAKERfor long enough to know that the people
10:18SPEAKERwho don't have daily deliverables like I do.
10:21SPEAKER- Yeah, they're all gone.
10:22SPEAKER- Are the fuck out of there at three o'clock
10:24SPEAKERand probably drank through lunch.
10:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I missed drinking through lunch.
10:29SPEAKERThat was fun.
10:29SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway.
10:31SPEAKER- I'll take a Monday off over a Friday off any day.
10:34SPEAKER- Yes, I agree with you.
10:36SPEAKERMy reasoning is that the three-day weekend
10:38SPEAKERis the real prize, but then the four-day week
10:41SPEAKERafter that is a nice bonus to like,
10:43SPEAKERjust when you're sad that your three-day weekend is over
10:46SPEAKERand you have to go back to work and then you're like,
10:47SPEAKER"Oh, but it's only a four-day week."
10:48SPEAKERThat's like a nice way to ease yourself back in.
10:51SPEAKER- Can I just, I would love to hear,
10:53SPEAKERI also know that there's some people on the Discord
10:55SPEAKERwho are working at places that are experimenting
10:57SPEAKERwith four-day work weeks.
10:58SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:59SPEAKER- I would be very curious to hear how that's going for them
11:01SPEAKER'cause I often find that if I have really busted ass
11:05SPEAKERall week on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
11:09SPEAKERlike really going hard, Friday, I'm basically useless.
11:13SPEAKER- Sure, yes.
11:14SPEAKER- So to me, I would much rather bust ass four days
11:18SPEAKERand just not worry about being useless on Friday
11:23SPEAKERthan coming in and feeling like I'm not doing
11:25SPEAKERas good as I could.
11:26SPEAKER- Yes, it sounds great.
11:28SPEAKERI see nothing but praise for it.
11:31SPEAKERYou know, Young Horses, developer of Bugsnax and Octave.
11:34SPEAKER- Yeah, a friend of the show, Phil Tibbs.
11:36SPEAKER- Phil Tibbs might have some feedback for us.
11:42SPEAKERMaybe we should ask him sometime.
11:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I know a couple of other studios
11:45SPEAKERthat have gone four-day work weeks as well this year,
11:47SPEAKERso I'm kind of curious.
11:48SPEAKERAnyway.
11:49SPEAKER- Yes, anyway.
11:51SPEAKEROkay, oh boy, I have got to remember the fine art
11:55SPEAKERof talking and also picking the next question
11:58SPEAKERat the same time.
11:59SPEAKER- Look, you're doing good to be vertical.
12:01SPEAKER- Thank you.
12:02SPEAKER- David Ellis, another friend of the show, asks,
12:06SPEAKER"What was the first model of computer you remember using?"
12:09SPEAKERFor me, it was an Atari 400 at a babysitter's house.
12:11SPEAKERWhat is an Atari 400?
12:13SPEAKERI've never heard of that.
12:15SPEAKER- It was a Atari console with a keyboard, I think.
12:19SPEAKER- Does that predate whatever generation the ST was from?
12:22SPEAKERIt must, right?
12:23SPEAKERThe ST was like '90s, wasn't it?
12:26SPEAKER- I don't, I do not, this is a time of computer
12:29SPEAKERthat I know very little about.
12:30SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, the 400 is part
12:33SPEAKERof the 8-bit Atari computer line,
12:35SPEAKERso the Atari 400 and 800, oh, wow.
12:38SPEAKER- Is it like a half ram 800 or something?
12:40SPEAKER- The 400 is from 1979,
12:41SPEAKERso that is an extremely early personal computer.
12:45SPEAKER- But I'm pretty, I'm reasonably sure it's just the console,
12:50SPEAKERthe original Atari 2600 with a-
12:52SPEAKER- In computer form?
12:54SPEAKER- With a keyboard on it, yeah.
12:56SPEAKER- That is possible, that is entirely possible.
12:58SPEAKER- I should have looked that up, I'm sorry.
13:00SPEAKER- Gosh, for me, so, I don't know,
13:03SPEAKERwe've talked about this before,
13:04SPEAKERmy family did not get a computer until 1984.
13:07SPEAKER- Okay.
13:08SPEAKER- Well into the 486 era, so prior to that,
13:11SPEAKERI was occasionally seeing computers at friends' houses,
13:14SPEAKERmy one friend's dad had,
13:17SPEAKERso I remember playing the D&D Gold Box game Hillsfar
13:21SPEAKERon their computer, do you remember that game?
13:23SPEAKER- No.
13:23SPEAKER- Or do you remember, you know what I'm talking about?
13:24SPEAKER- I remember the D&D Gold Box games,
13:26SPEAKERbut I never played any of 'em.
13:27SPEAKER- When did Hillsfar- - The D&D was for nerds,
13:29SPEAKERBrad. (laughs)
13:30SPEAKER- This friend was also very into D&D.
13:33SPEAKERWhen did Hillsfar come out?
13:34SPEAKERI bet people on the Discord have played this game.
13:37SPEAKERIt's one of those classic, classic Gold Box games.
13:41SPEAKERSorry, I'm filling poorly.
13:42SPEAKER- I think the- - 1989, so-
13:44SPEAKER- Oh wow.
13:46SPEAKER- What was, what would you say, what were the big,
13:48SPEAKERwhat was the big, was it still 286 and 89?
13:51SPEAKER- Just 386, so I got my 386 in '92,
13:57SPEAKERand it was on the, you could get a 486 at that point.
14:01SPEAKER- Really? - So, yeah.
14:03SPEAKER- Okay.
14:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't remember, that transition happened
14:07SPEAKERwhile I was in high school, though.
14:08SPEAKER- Okay, I am going to say that's probably,
14:10SPEAKERit was an IBM PC or clone that was a 286 or 386.
14:14SPEAKEROh, you know, well, I also learned, well,
14:16SPEAKERstarted to say I learned to type on a 286 in high school,
14:19SPEAKERbut that was later, those were just very old at that point.
14:21SPEAKER- Yeah, we had a TI-99 for a,
14:25SPEAKERthe entire school system bought TI-99 4As for each classroom
14:29SPEAKERand the parents, you could tack onto their price for 'em
14:33SPEAKERwhen TI was dumping 'em because they were bad.
14:37SPEAKERAnd so we had one in,
14:39SPEAKERI think starting when I was in third grade
14:40SPEAKERthat the teacher never looked at and just sat on a table
14:42SPEAKERin the back of the room plugged in and never doing anything.
14:45SPEAKERBut then I got, I was, they put me,
14:48SPEAKERthey were like, you have expressed interest in this
14:50SPEAKERso you can go to this classroom and dink around
14:52SPEAKERwith the, in the classroom with three of the computers
14:55SPEAKERsometimes.
14:56SPEAKERAnd so I got to do that and like do some basic stuff.
14:59SPEAKERAnd that led to them giving me access to the one Apple II
15:02SPEAKERthat we had, which was fun.
15:04SPEAKERI learned how to do like basic code and stuff like that.
15:06SPEAKER- Well, in the entire school?
15:08SPEAKER- Yeah, we had one, it was in the principal.
15:10SPEAKERIt was in like the, you know,
15:11SPEAKERthe staff room at the elementary school with like the-
15:14SPEAKER- Coffee maker in the fridge.
15:16SPEAKER- It had a coffee maker for sure.
15:18SPEAKERAnd then it also had like the big paper cutter
15:20SPEAKERand the laminator and all that stuff.
15:22SPEAKER- More like a workroom than a break room probably.
15:25SPEAKER- I mean, I'm gonna go and tell you in Tennessee,
15:26SPEAKERthey couldn't afford a workroom and a break room.
15:28SPEAKERAre you kidding?
15:29SPEAKER- All in one, sure.
15:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
15:31SPEAKER- Oh, wait, duh, yes, okay.
15:33SPEAKERYou know, you remind, my grade school,
15:35SPEAKERmy grade school had a lab, a straight up computer lab
15:38SPEAKERwith like- - Wow.
15:39SPEAKER- Probably a dozen Apple IIe's in it.
15:41SPEAKER- Wow, that's pretty good, Apple II, yeah.
15:44SPEAKERLike it doesn't, Apple II was really fun.
15:45SPEAKERLike I learned a lot of stuff on the Apple II
15:47SPEAKERand it had Oregon Trail, which was dope.
15:49SPEAKER- I don't know what the IIe,
15:50SPEAKERlike everybody always talks about the Apple II
15:52SPEAKERand I don't know what the IIe-
15:53SPEAKER- IIe is just the education,
15:55SPEAKERE means it's the one they sold into education.
15:57SPEAKER- A third model of Apple II, the E stands for enhance.
16:01SPEAKER- Oh, nevermind then.
16:02SPEAKER- Oh, okay, so it's referring to the fact
16:04SPEAKERthat several popular features were now built in
16:06SPEAKERthat were formerly only available as upgrades or add-ins,
16:08SPEAKERadd-on cards.
16:11SPEAKERYes, number of Munchers and Oregon Trail
16:13SPEAKERare what I remember of.
16:15SPEAKER- Number of Munchers, man, I played a number of Munchers
16:17SPEAKERclone on the TI, but I never played,
16:19SPEAKERwe played Hunt the Wumpus.
16:21SPEAKER- Ooh.
16:22SPEAKER- Did a lot of, did a lot of Oregon Trail.
16:28SPEAKERI feel like there was another game
16:29SPEAKERthat I could never exactly figure out
16:30SPEAKERhow to play it on the Apple II
16:31SPEAKERthat somebody had probably pirated and put on there.
16:34SPEAKERIt, I don't, it was unclear to me
16:36SPEAKERwho used that computer other than me.
16:39SPEAKERLike I don't, I don't ever remember anybody being there.
16:41SPEAKERIt was on the work table in that work room.
16:44SPEAKERSo you had to stand up to use it.
16:45SPEAKERLike there was no chair or anything.
16:46SPEAKERIt was really weird.
16:47SPEAKER- That's wild.
16:48SPEAKER- Yeah.
16:49SPEAKER- Did you, did you do logo writer?
16:51SPEAKER- I did not do logo writer.
16:52SPEAKERI did write, make a database that they could,
16:54SPEAKERlike the project that they gave me for that
16:57SPEAKERwas make a database we can store all the kids' grades in.
16:59SPEAKER- Whoa.
17:00SPEAKER- So I did a database
17:01SPEAKERthat you could store all the kids' grades in.
17:02SPEAKER- Oh my God, in what, basic?
17:05SPEAKER- Fuck if I know, probably, probably,
17:07SPEAKERprobably there was some sort of database program
17:09SPEAKERthat they had bought or it was,
17:10SPEAKERmaybe it was a spreadsheet at that point,
17:12SPEAKERbut it wasn't, there was no mouse, obviously.
17:14SPEAKER- Sorry, I thought you wrote it from scratch.
17:16SPEAKER- No, no, no, I wrote, I wrote a front end,
17:19SPEAKERbasically I built forms.
17:20SPEAKERIf I recall right, I think I made forms
17:22SPEAKERthat were text entry forms.
17:24SPEAKERAnd then the secretary who was in charge
17:27SPEAKERof typing all the grades in didn't want to fool with it.
17:29SPEAKER'Cause I think her thought was they could just print out
17:31SPEAKERthe report cards instead of having to type them all.
17:33SPEAKERAnyway.
17:35SPEAKER- Well, all right.
17:38SPEAKER- I learned a lot.
17:39SPEAKERI think that was the whole point.
17:39SPEAKERThe point was that they wanted me to learn something
17:41SPEAKERand get out of the, like stop annoying the fifth grade
17:43SPEAKERteacher who didn't want me asking her questions
17:45SPEAKERthat she didn't know the answer to.
17:46SPEAKER- Sure.
17:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I was a problem.
17:49SPEAKER- Personal enrichment, look.
17:50SPEAKER- Yes.
17:52SPEAKER- Independent learning.
17:53SPEAKEROkay, question from the moon room.
17:57SPEAKERShould I get a Steam Deck now or wait for a future revision?
18:01SPEAKER- I think that there's gonna be a lot more Steam Deck
18:04SPEAKERlooking things that are probably compatible
18:05SPEAKERwith Steam Deck OS soon.
18:07SPEAKER- Oh, compatible with, okay, interesting.
18:09SPEAKERThat was going to be some version of my answer
18:11SPEAKERbecause the, the AYA Neo 2 actually, I don't know,
18:15SPEAKERit's not out.
18:16SPEAKERI think it might just be getting previewed right now,
18:19SPEAKERbut that thing is noticeably more powerful than a Steam Deck
18:24SPEAKERand I think has, and has a 1080p screen.
18:25SPEAKERSo like Steam OS compatibility notwithstanding,
18:29SPEAKERthere absolutely are more powerful handhelds on the way
18:31SPEAKERthan a Steam Deck, like as we speak.
18:33SPEAKER- Yeah, the thing I'll say is I think the Steam Deck
18:35SPEAKERdoes a pretty good job of splitting,
18:37SPEAKERlike it threads the needle pretty well
18:40SPEAKERof like performance and battery life.
18:42SPEAKERAnd it has good wifi so you can stream from your desktop PC
18:46SPEAKERif you have a nice desktop PC,
18:47SPEAKERlike it's a pretty good package.
18:49SPEAKERIt's a little heavy.
18:50SPEAKERIf I was, if I was complaining,
18:51SPEAKERI'd rather have a lighter one than a faster one probably.
18:54SPEAKER- Physically heavy, you mean?
18:55SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
18:56SPEAKER- I should qualify what I just said by let me think,
19:00SPEAKERhow to, how to, how should I,
19:02SPEAKERI don't think there will be as elegant a device
19:04SPEAKERas the Steam Deck in that space until the next Steam Deck,
19:07SPEAKERlike top to bottom, like fit and finish of the hardware,
19:10SPEAKERlike the, you know, features and compatibility of Steam OS
19:14SPEAKERand how that hooks into Steam and everything.
19:16SPEAKERLike, like I was reading like the,
19:18SPEAKERall the AYA handhelds just run Windows
19:20SPEAKERwith some janky AYA game launcher.
19:22SPEAKERLike you're not gonna get the Steam Deck experience
19:24SPEAKERwith one of those things.
19:26SPEAKER- Yeah, the Linux thing, like the Linux thing is really good.
19:29SPEAKERIt's still, like the fact that you can use that,
19:33SPEAKERyou have no idea that it's Linux
19:35SPEAKERunless you choose to dip into the Linux desktop
19:37SPEAKERis really compelling.
19:39SPEAKER- Yes.
19:40SPEAKER- So I like, honestly, I wish that I could put a Steam,
19:44SPEAKERthe, I wish I could get the version of Steam OS,
19:47SPEAKERthe UI that's on Steam OS on desktop Steam
19:50SPEAKERand on Steam links at this point,
19:52SPEAKERbecause it's a dramatically better interface
19:54SPEAKERfor like that kind of device.
19:56SPEAKER- Yeah.
19:57SPEAKERI really wonder how fast Valve is gonna rev that thing
20:00SPEAKERbecause like, you know, there are,
20:02SPEAKERthere are Zen 4 RDNA 3 APUs coming,
20:06SPEAKERwhich, you know, that Steam Deck and the AYA stuff,
20:08SPEAKERthere are, everybody that's doing X86 handhelds
20:11SPEAKERis using AMD APUs.
20:12SPEAKERAnd so basically the next generation version of that
20:16SPEAKERwith newer CPU and GPU cores,
20:18SPEAKERand also it's on a lower process or smaller process.
20:20SPEAKERSo it should be more energy efficient as well.
20:23SPEAKER- I mean, that's such as the way of things, right?
20:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know how fast Valve is looking
20:28SPEAKERto get a Steam Deck 2 out there,
20:30SPEAKERor if they'll even call it that.
20:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I, it's like, if you,
20:36SPEAKERif it's a thing that you feel like you could use,
20:38SPEAKERlike I could see, I could see by another one,
20:40SPEAKERit's not a device that I intend to do a lot of upgrading on.
20:43SPEAKERLike I'll keep it, run it for as long as I would run it,
20:47SPEAKERlike a 3DS or a switch or something like that.
20:51SPEAKERAnd when the onboard hardware starts getting too slow
20:52SPEAKERto play the games that I want to play,
20:54SPEAKERI'll just start streaming it from my PC,
20:56SPEAKER'cause most of the time I use it inside the house, so.
20:58SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I started to say at the top of that question,
21:00SPEAKERstandard disclaimer, if you want it,
21:02SPEAKERjust go ahead and get it.
21:03SPEAKERIf you want to play portable PC games right now,
21:05SPEAKERjust go ahead and get a Steam Deck, but.
21:06SPEAKER- I don't think, I like, I think if you're looking at that,
21:08SPEAKERlike that Logitech thing that they announced,
21:09SPEAKERit's just for streaming games.
21:11SPEAKERI would rather have the Steam Deck in the ability,
21:13SPEAKERlike having the ability to play the games locally
21:15SPEAKERis really convenient.
21:16SPEAKER- Yeah.
21:20SPEAKERQuestion from Crashdown,
21:22SPEAKERwhat's the highest wattage power supply
21:24SPEAKERyou've ever installed in a PC,
21:25SPEAKERand does it sound insane in hindsight?
21:27SPEAKERA thousand watts certainly does for me.
21:30SPEAKER- I had a 1600 watt PC power supply at a time when I had,
21:37SPEAKERI put it in a dream machine when we had two of those
21:40SPEAKERdual GPU boards that Intel, that AMD and Nvidia
21:43SPEAKERwere selling at one point.
21:44SPEAKER- Oh, when was this?
21:45SPEAKER- The 5950 or something like that, I can't remember.
21:47SPEAKER- 5950.
21:48SPEAKER- It was like a DX9.
21:49SPEAKER- AMD cards?
21:50SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.
21:51SPEAKER- Those are 5950, is that a Radeon?
21:53SPEAKER- I think it was a Radeon, maybe it was a 9550, 9950,
21:57SPEAKERbut it was a two GPU DX10, early DX10 card,
22:02SPEAKERand you could put two of them in there, so we did that,
22:04SPEAKERand it needed a big giant power supply.
22:09SPEAKERAnd it was stupid, I would never run that
22:10SPEAKERin a PC that I owned, I don't think.
22:12SPEAKERI had a 1200 watt power supply in my desktop PC for a while,
22:14SPEAKERbut that was just 'cause it was what was around.
22:16SPEAKER- I am looking at specs for a Radeon 5950,
22:19SPEAKERthat looks about like the time period you're describing.
22:21SPEAKERAnyway, I just put a thousand watt PSU in this PC,
22:27SPEAKERand that is by far the biggest I have ever had.
22:29SPEAKER- Yep, it was a 5950.
22:31SPEAKERIt was basically two 5800s, I think, on a single card,
22:35SPEAKERand you could put two of them in pair.
22:38SPEAKERSo, and it used a four pin, an eight pin,
22:42SPEAKERand a six pin PCI express power each.
22:46SPEAKERIt was a giant beefy boy.
22:48SPEAKER- Yeah, and anyway, we talk about power supplies
22:50SPEAKERquite a bit with Gordon a couple weeks ago,
22:52SPEAKERso if you didn't hear that episode, go back and listen.
22:54SPEAKERHe's got a bunch of info about the,
22:55SPEAKERwhat is it, ATX 3.0 standard, I think,
22:57SPEAKERthat it's got a bunch of smart features
23:00SPEAKERin the power supply, like that sounds amazing,
23:02SPEAKERlike it's kind of mind blowing in retrospect,
23:04SPEAKERthinking about what he talked about,
23:05SPEAKERthat this didn't exist previously,
23:07SPEAKERthat the power supply and the PC can have a dialogue now,
23:11SPEAKERwhere basically the power supply can tell the PC,
23:13SPEAKERlike, hey, stop clocking stuff so high,
23:14SPEAKER'cause you're going to crash this machine.
23:16SPEAKERI can't give you enough power for what you wanna do.
23:18SPEAKER- Okay, well, I got a little bit of bad news for you, Brad,
23:21SPEAKERbecause people, we talked about this in "The Full Geek"
23:23SPEAKERwhen I was over at the PC World Office
23:25SPEAKERwith Gordon and Adam the other day, last week, I guess.
23:29SPEAKERBut the people are reporting that that power,
23:32SPEAKERthat adapter that Nvidia is shipping is melting.
23:35SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, I've seen all that stuff, that's terrifying.
23:38SPEAKERIs that exactly what you're using?
23:40SPEAKER- I have not had that, it is exactly what I'm using,
23:43SPEAKERI have not had that, I have not experienced that.
23:44SPEAKER- Yikes, if I, for you, I might see if cable mod
23:48SPEAKERis selling third-party ones yet.
23:51SPEAKER- I'm gonna build a new PC very soon now.
23:55SPEAKER- That sounds really scary.
23:57SPEAKERSounds like if you don't flex that thing too much,
23:59SPEAKERif you don't bend it, that's probably fine.
24:01SPEAKER- So the take, not to scare monger here
24:03SPEAKERand then send you to the other podcast to listen,
24:05SPEAKERbut the takeaway is it's too early to tell
24:08SPEAKERif it's a real problem or if it's something
24:10SPEAKERthat is happening when people do things that are unadvised,
24:13SPEAKERlike bending the cables really hard
24:15SPEAKERso they don't have a good connection on two of the pins
24:17SPEAKERand stuff like that, so yeah.
24:19SPEAKERAnd as is always the case, I'm confident in the manufacturer
24:24SPEAKERto support warranty and fix the cards that are affected.
24:27SPEAKER- So it's not like anybody's gonna be out of luck
24:29SPEAKERon a $1,600 video card.
24:31SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:34SPEAKERQuestion from Warbird.
24:36SPEAKER- Oh no.
24:37SPEAKER- Which is not about football or my dishwasher.
24:39SPEAKER- Oh, phew.
24:42SPEAKER- I'm debating getting a System 76 or,
24:45SPEAKERthose are separate, right?
24:46SPEAKERSystem 76 and Framework have nothing to do
24:48SPEAKERwith each other, right?
24:49SPEAKER- They're different manufacturers.
24:50SPEAKER- System 76 is the popular. - Not sure.
24:52SPEAKER- Outfit and Framework is the modular laptop.
24:55SPEAKER- I do, I wanna get my hands on a Framework so bad,
24:57SPEAKERlike the whole philosophy of a fully modular,
25:02SPEAKERupgradeable laptop is so fascinating to me.
25:04SPEAKER- I kind of was thinking about,
25:06SPEAKERyou should go read the whole question though.
25:07SPEAKER- Yeah, let me read the question.
25:10SPEAKERI'll read it the way he wrote it.
25:11SPEAKERI'm debating getting a System 76/Framework laptop.
25:15SPEAKERI think he means one or the other.
25:16SPEAKERWould either of you consider getting a Linux laptop
25:18SPEAKERas a secondary device for general use
25:20SPEAKERand or puttering around?
25:22SPEAKERIf I hadn't just gotten that MacBook Pro,
25:24SPEAKERwhich is, as I've said, the best laptop I've ever used.
25:28SPEAKERMeaning if I didn't already have the laptop thing covered,
25:31SPEAKERI would love to have a Linux laptop to mess around with.
25:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I'm much more likely to get the Framework.
25:36SPEAKERThe Framework's really conceptually,
25:37SPEAKERlike I'm just curious about it as a product.
25:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.
25:41SPEAKER- The System 76, like I don't, I'm not,
25:46SPEAKERI think in order to use a Linux laptop,
25:49SPEAKERyou have to either work in Linux on the day to day,
25:51SPEAKERwhich I don't, or you need to be a true believer,
25:54SPEAKERwhich I'm not.
25:55SPEAKERSo if I was buying a, like if I'm buying a device,
26:00SPEAKERlike honestly, if I'm buying a device for puttering around,
26:02SPEAKERI'm probably gonna get another iPad
26:03SPEAKER'cause I haven't had one in a while
26:04SPEAKERand I find myself doing reading on the phone often enough
26:07SPEAKERthat I'm like, I wish this was a big thing
26:08SPEAKERinstead of a little thing.
26:10SPEAKERI think either an iPad Air or the M1 iPad Air
26:14SPEAKERor the Small Pro is probably in my future.
26:17SPEAKER- Yeah, does System 76 make Pop!OS, do you know?
26:20SPEAKERIs that theirs?
26:21SPEAKERI think that's right. - I do not know.
26:23SPEAKER- I think that's, anyway, this isn't gonna surprise you,
26:26SPEAKERbut I don't really keep up
26:27SPEAKERon the Linux distro scene very much these days.
26:31SPEAKER- I think I am slowly accumulating
26:34SPEAKERan embarrassing amount of information
26:35SPEAKERabout the fine distinctions between different Linux distros.
26:38SPEAKER- This is fantastic.
26:39SPEAKERThis is good for the podcast.
26:43SPEAKER- Oh, so like I'm neck deep in Linux these days,
26:46SPEAKERbut it's all on headless machines.
26:48SPEAKERI've got like five Raspberry Pis now
26:50SPEAKERand this NAS that's now running Linux and WSL2 and stuff,
26:53SPEAKERlike those are all just command line only.
26:54SPEAKERAnd like, I would love to have a Linux desktop to mess with,
26:58SPEAKERbut none of the machines I have fit that role.
27:02SPEAKERThat's why a Linux laptop would be fun
27:04SPEAKER'cause then I could mess around
27:05SPEAKERwith different desktop environments and stuff like that.
27:07SPEAKER- There is something to be said for that.
27:09SPEAKERI'm happy with Linux living in the command line for me.
27:11SPEAKER- But yes, that's primarily, like I am extremely,
27:15SPEAKERI'm extremely Windows for desktop, Mac for a laptop
27:18SPEAKERand Linux for headless server-y stuff.
27:21SPEAKER- Yep.
27:22SPEAKER- Is my ongoing philosophy, personally.
27:27SPEAKEROkay, gosh.
27:33SPEAKERI had a question.
27:33SPEAKERI cannot find it.
27:35SPEAKER- Do you want to do this Uzi one?
27:36SPEAKER- Sure, do you have in front of you?
27:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I do.
27:39SPEAKERI replaced the fan in my PS2 with a Noctua
27:41SPEAKERand it's nearly silent.
27:42SPEAKERIf you watch any retro computing YouTube channel,
27:44SPEAKERthey're always replacing fans with modern ones
27:46SPEAKERto make them quieter.
27:47SPEAKERWhat innovation in the fan space has there been
27:49SPEAKERover the last 20 or 30 years?
27:50SPEAKERWhy are fans quieter now?
27:51SPEAKER- Good call.
27:52SPEAKERThat was one of the ones I had Mark to read.
27:55SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I mean, this is a weird one, right?
27:58SPEAKER'Cause like, it's not like we're making ball bearings
28:01SPEAKERmore precise now.
28:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I was wondering if you had a mechanical explanation
28:05SPEAKERfor this 'cause I sure don't.
28:07SPEAKER- I mean, there's definitely,
28:09SPEAKERthe technology to make fans quieter,
28:11SPEAKERA, we're probably better at modeling airflow and noise
28:13SPEAKERand turbulence on the blades now.
28:15SPEAKERBut I think the big thing is that there's actually
28:17SPEAKERenough volume in fan sales now that there's market space
28:21SPEAKERfor somebody to sell a five times, 10 times price normal,
28:24SPEAKER10 times the commodity price fan that has benefits,
28:28SPEAKERwhether it's higher airflow or lower noise or whatever.
28:31SPEAKERSo it's just that the market is huge
28:34SPEAKERrather than that there's new technology.
28:38SPEAKERI mean, there's definitely new bearings and stuff.
28:39SPEAKERPeople are inventing new bearings and new types of motors
28:41SPEAKERand new twists on the old technology of motors
28:45SPEAKERfor a long time.
28:46SPEAKERBut I think it's just that the market for fans
28:49SPEAKERis way, way, way, way, way, way bigger now
28:51SPEAKERthan it was in the '90s.
28:52SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems right.
28:53SPEAKERAnd then Noctua was, you absolutely are paying a premium
28:56SPEAKERfor those, but I find it to be pretty much worth it so far.
29:00SPEAKER- Yeah, I'll happily pay the Noctua price.
29:02SPEAKER- I gotta have that beige, beige life.
29:07SPEAKER- I wish they did some fancy RGB ones too, but whatever.
29:11SPEAKER- I mean, they have the, what is it?
29:12SPEAKERChromax Black is the name of their black fan line.
29:15SPEAKER- Yeah.
29:16SPEAKER- If you really need all your hardware to be-
29:20SPEAKER- Look, I want it to look like hackers in here, man.
29:22SPEAKER- To look like a gun.
29:25SPEAKERI love those beige fans.
29:26SPEAKERAlso, the idea of a Noctua and a PS2 is incredible.
29:29SPEAKERI don't know why I never even considered that,
29:31SPEAKERbut that rules.
29:32SPEAKER- I mean, yo, I'm gonna put a Noctua in it,
29:36SPEAKERmight as well be like 35 YouTube channels
29:38SPEAKERthat I see pop up on my feed all the time.
29:39SPEAKER- Yes, it is, you know, like they were one
29:41SPEAKERof those companies that inspires loyalty
29:43SPEAKERbecause they're pretty all like, the products are great.
29:45SPEAKER- Yeah.
29:46SPEAKER- The support is incredible.
29:47SPEAKER- I never bought a bad fan from them.
29:49SPEAKER- Like I, they started shipping an adapter
29:52SPEAKERin their little five volt fans, like I stuck on my mister
29:56SPEAKERafter I bought one, like two years after I bought one,
29:58SPEAKERI emailed them asking like,
29:59SPEAKER"Hey, do you sell these adapters separately?
30:01SPEAKERI can't find it."
30:02SPEAKERThey're like, "Oh, we'll just ship you one.
30:03SPEAKERJust give us your address."
30:05SPEAKERAnd like three weeks later, a package postmarked
30:09SPEAKERfrom Austria showed up with that adapter.
30:11SPEAKER- That's amazing.
30:12SPEAKER- That is like customer for life stuff.
30:14SPEAKERLike I will happily evangelize companies
30:18SPEAKERthat treat you that well.
30:19SPEAKER- I mean, in fairness, that's what you can do
30:20SPEAKERwhen you sell something that everybody else sells
30:22SPEAKERfor $5 for $30, right?
30:24SPEAKER- Well, 15 maybe, yeah.
30:25SPEAKERTheir coolers are incredible though.
30:27SPEAKERLike I bought my first actual CPU cooler from them
30:30SPEAKERfor this mass rebuild and like easily
30:33SPEAKERthe most user-friendly cooler install I've ever done.
30:37SPEAKERJust great all around.
30:39SPEAKER- Yep, premium product.
30:41SPEAKERI like it.
30:42SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:45SPEAKERThis question from Meatball.
30:47SPEAKERWhat do you think?
30:48SPEAKER- I like this one.
30:48SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
30:49SPEAKER- I highlighted it.
30:51SPEAKER- Hey guys, I've been an Android phone
30:53SPEAKERand Microsoft PC user forever
30:55SPEAKERand have avoided going Apple for anything
30:57SPEAKERbased on the whole you're holding it wrong attitude.
31:00SPEAKERPlus I like having more control over my devices
31:02SPEAKERand operating system.
31:04SPEAKERI'm really due for a new phone,
31:06SPEAKERstill rocking a Galaxy S9 Plus
31:08SPEAKERand looking at the new crop of pixels and Galaxy phones.
31:11SPEAKERI'm starting to think that maybe I should consider an iPhone
31:13SPEAKERprimarily based on their privacy and security stance.
31:16SPEAKERI believe you guys have moved over to iPhones
31:18SPEAKERand was hoping you might have some words of encouragement
31:20SPEAKERthat'll push me over the edge.
31:21SPEAKERI've actually never had since the,
31:23SPEAKERoh no, I take that back.
31:24SPEAKERSince the iPhone 3G, I did use that Windows phone
31:28SPEAKERthat you gave me.
31:30SPEAKER- You had an Android phone for a little bit too, didn't you?
31:31SPEAKER- And then yes, I had a, God, it was some kind of--
31:34SPEAKER- An LG or something, I think.
31:35SPEAKER- It was an LG of some kind.
31:37SPEAKERIt was not super fancy, but yeah.
31:39SPEAKERSo I have, but primarily iPhone and then you,
31:42SPEAKERwell, you've used a crap load of phones for work, right?
31:44SPEAKER- So I've been off and on.
31:45SPEAKERLike the last time I reliably was an Android person
31:48SPEAKERwas in the iPhone 10.
31:51SPEAKERLike I used the first pixel and the second pixel
31:54SPEAKERand then I actually sent the second pixel back
31:55SPEAKERbecause I liked it a lot less than the iPhone 10.
32:02SPEAKER- So the, okay, so this is a healthy attitude.
32:06SPEAKERHey, I made a snap decision 15 years ago.
32:10SPEAKER'Cause like realistically though,
32:11SPEAKERyou're holding it wrong with the iPhone 10,
32:12SPEAKERwhich is in 2010, I think.
32:14SPEAKERAll right, sorry, iPhone 4, which was in 2010.
32:16SPEAKER- I'm sorry, have they ever actually uttered those words?
32:18SPEAKEROh, was this the antenna gate?
32:20SPEAKER- This is the antenna thing.
32:21SPEAKER- Okay. - Yeah.
32:22SPEAKERYeah, so this was, if you recall the first time
32:25SPEAKERthey had the metal housing and if you put your hand over,
32:29SPEAKERin fairness, it was a problem.
32:30SPEAKERThey fucked up on the design of the phone
32:32SPEAKER'cause they assumed that people weren't gonna hold it
32:33SPEAKERin a specific way and it's the way
32:34SPEAKEReverybody holds their phone.
32:36SPEAKERSo if you held, if you shorted out the connection
32:38SPEAKERbetween two of the pieces of metal
32:39SPEAKERthat made the outside frame of the phone,
32:41SPEAKERit basically made your signal reception go to nothing,
32:44SPEAKERwhich is a clear problem.
32:46SPEAKERThey ended up giving everybody free phone bumpers
32:48SPEAKERbecause of it, not the phone.
32:50SPEAKER- Okay, I remember the bumpers, yes.
32:51SPEAKER- But Jobs famously replied in an email to somebody,
32:54SPEAKERyou're holding it wrong, which like, I mean, look,
32:58SPEAKERit's no surprise Steve Jobs, kind of an asshole,
33:00SPEAKEReven on the best of days.
33:01SPEAKER- Like, he's not a great person,
33:03SPEAKERbut I miss his brand of assholishness
33:05SPEAKERbecause it was just so outlandish.
33:07SPEAKER- Well, and it was charming because he would,
33:10SPEAKERlike the benefit you can say now,
33:12SPEAKERlooking at the people who've emulated him
33:13SPEAKERwith comedic tragic results is that at least he was,
33:19SPEAKERhad good taste and listened to the smart people
33:21SPEAKERinstead of the idiots.
33:22SPEAKER- Right, like at least the products that they were delivering
33:25SPEAKERwere consistently amazing while he was there.
33:26SPEAKERLike he kind of backed up his shittiness
33:29SPEAKERwith good stuff, at least.
33:31SPEAKER- Yeah, at the end of the day, he got results.
33:34SPEAKER- Also, I would like to think he would not have sucked up
33:36SPEAKERto dictators and, anyway.
33:38SPEAKER- It's a whole other conversation.
33:40SPEAKERThe point is, the privacy security stance
33:43SPEAKERis the first marketing bullshit that's come from Apple
33:45SPEAKERin years that I actually think is a,
33:49SPEAKERI mean, whether you believe
33:52SPEAKERthat Apple doesn't sell your data, which I tend to,
33:55SPEAKER'cause they're big enough that, yeah,
33:56SPEAKERand people watch them enough
33:58SPEAKERthat if they got caught doing that,
33:59SPEAKERthey'd have a real problem.
34:00SPEAKERI think it's actually a really good differentiator
34:02SPEAKERbetween Apple and the other tech companies.
34:05SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, God, what was the real flashpoint
34:09SPEAKERaround that stuff?
34:10SPEAKERWas it, wasn't it a phone
34:11SPEAKERfrom the San Bernardino shooting investigation, I think?
34:15SPEAKERThere was some super--
34:16SPEAKER- There've been a series of investigations at Apple's,
34:18SPEAKERlike, we have no access to the data.
34:20SPEAKERWe cannot give it to you.
34:21SPEAKERWe're not going to put back doors on our phone.
34:23SPEAKER- Yeah, had several high profile refusals to,
34:26SPEAKEReven if they could, refusals to get into private data
34:30SPEAKERfor law enforcement and stuff like that.
34:32SPEAKER- Well, and that combined with, like,
34:34SPEAKERtheir approach to updating and privacy,
34:37SPEAKERlike, the update path for iPhones is well-established,
34:42SPEAKERso they tell you, you know in June
34:45SPEAKERwhich iPhones are going to be supported with the next update,
34:47SPEAKERand so you have six to 12 months to prepare
34:50SPEAKERfor no more security updates for your old phones.
34:53SPEAKERSo it's not just the privacy side,
34:56SPEAKERit's also the security side,
34:57SPEAKER'cause with both of those comes together,
34:58SPEAKERbut it's more about stuff like the,
35:01SPEAKERhey, do you want to turn on,
35:03SPEAKERdo you want to not let this app track you?
35:06SPEAKERLike, that flag alone,
35:08SPEAKERI mean, it decimated Facebook's stock price.
35:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:11SPEAKER- Like, that is the thing that kicked off the downfall
35:14SPEAKERfor Facebook that caused them to change their name
35:17SPEAKERand focus on AR and all sorts of other nonsense.
35:19SPEAKERThe not letting, like, honestly, the way they phrased that,
35:26SPEAKERso it made it seem like a bad thing
35:28SPEAKERif you let them track you so that everybody
35:29SPEAKERwho doesn't pay attention to this stuff like us,
35:31SPEAKERit's the first time normal people cared about that stuff,
35:34SPEAKERis when Apple made that flag.
35:36SPEAKERAnd I mean, it is twisting the knife, it's fun to watch,
35:39SPEAKER'cause it's like wrestling for tech companies
35:41SPEAKERwhere they're making these big performative moves
35:44SPEAKERthat change market caps of trillion dollar companies.
35:47SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, you're making me realize
35:50SPEAKERwhen we're having to root for one trillion dollar corporation
35:53SPEAKERto take down another one,
35:54SPEAKERlike we're not in the best spot necessarily.
35:57SPEAKER- Look, man, I'm Weyland Yutani for life,
35:59SPEAKERfuck those other guys.
36:02SPEAKERBut yeah, so the point is, you made a good point.
36:06SPEAKERThe big TLDR is, hey, if you care about privacy,
36:11SPEAKERI think the iPhone is a safer bet
36:12SPEAKERthan Android phones at this point.
36:13SPEAKER- For sure, I mean, like a couple iOSs ago,
36:15SPEAKERthey made, they started making apps that you download,
36:18SPEAKERhave to opt into accessing your local network.
36:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:22SPEAKER- Like if an app wants to like look for,
36:24SPEAKERyou know, if it's using multicast to look for a printer
36:26SPEAKERor like something like that,
36:27SPEAKERwhere it needs to access anything outside of itself
36:30SPEAKERand the internet, like it actually has to ask you,
36:31SPEAKERhey, do you wanna let this app access your network?
36:33SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's a feature flag thing,
36:35SPEAKERand Android has had that for a long time,
36:36SPEAKERbut also there's a litany of apps
36:38SPEAKERthat bypass the feature flags,
36:40SPEAKER'cause I think for a long time they were just self-reported,
36:42SPEAKERnot actually monitored.
36:44SPEAKERSo yeah, it's, I don't know, I tend to go,
36:48SPEAKERlike Apple has nice cameras, the privacy thing is nice,
36:53SPEAKERmy wife uses an iPhone, which means she uses iMessage,
36:55SPEAKERand basically if you use iMessage,
36:58SPEAKERif you regularly communicate with somebody
37:00SPEAKERthat uses iMessage, you should probably just get an iPhone,
37:02SPEAKERis the, like that's the downside,
37:05SPEAKERthat's the dark side of this whole thing, right?
37:06SPEAKER- There is that for sure.
37:07SPEAKER- Is that they're real good at lock-in over at Apple.
37:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's for sure.
37:11SPEAKERI mean, look, I love open tinkery platforms
37:14SPEAKERas much as anybody, but to me, the phone,
37:15SPEAKERthe phone is the one thing that you have in the tech space
37:19SPEAKERthat you want to just work all the time.
37:21SPEAKER- Right, it is the most important computer
37:23SPEAKERthat I use on the, like if my desktop PC goes down,
37:25SPEAKERI can use my phone and I'll be fine.
37:27SPEAKERIf my phone goes down, my desktop PC is not,
37:30SPEAKERis almost but not quite useless.
37:31SPEAKER- Yes, like I think of the phone as an appliance
37:34SPEAKERbecause like it's too critical for, you know,
37:36SPEAKERemergency situations and stuff like that.
37:39SPEAKERThey definitely still have, the last thing I'll say,
37:41SPEAKERthey definitely still have a little bit
37:42SPEAKERof the prescriptive attitude about stuff.
37:45SPEAKERLike, like they finally rolled out editing the lock screen,
37:48SPEAKERright, with the new iOS.
37:50SPEAKERIt's still pretty inflexible about how you can edit it.
37:53SPEAKERLike they're like, they have a very strong opinion
37:56SPEAKERabout how many widgets you should have on your home screen.
37:58SPEAKERAnd it's a very low number.
37:59SPEAKERAnd if you think you should have more than that, not too bad.
38:02SPEAKER- Like I wanted to put a, I set up a focus for podcasting.
38:07SPEAKERSo I have just the apps that we use on our phones
38:10SPEAKERon my screen and turn off notifications.
38:13SPEAKERAnd I wanted to set up an autoresponder for text that says,
38:15SPEAKER"Hey, I'm podcasting.
38:16SPEAKERI'll get back to you in about an hour."
38:17SPEAKERI can't do that.
38:18SPEAKERIt won't let me do that.
38:19SPEAKERIt lets you do autoresponders for some focuses,
38:21SPEAKERbut not others, it's real weird.
38:23SPEAKERSo yeah, like, I don't know, it's fine.
38:26SPEAKER- Everything's trade-offs, but I think that they,
38:29SPEAKERfor the most part,
38:30SPEAKERthey have made a pretty good set of trade-offs.
38:32SPEAKER- I will happily trade a little bit of customizability
38:35SPEAKERfor extreme reliability.
38:36SPEAKER- Yes.
38:37SPEAKERLike I said, my iPhone 14 crashes all the fucking time.
38:40SPEAKERAnd I think I'm gonna have to send it back and get an,
38:42SPEAKERI think, I think I might've gotten a dud.
38:44SPEAKER- Yikes.
38:45SPEAKER- What do you think?
38:46SPEAKER- So it doesn't feel great.
38:47SPEAKER- How, how?
38:51SPEAKER- I'm trying to think how to even ask this question.
38:52SPEAKERLike this is such a strange thing.
38:53SPEAKERLike what defines a lemon or a dud in that space?
38:56SPEAKERLike software is software, right?
38:58SPEAKERLike byte for byte, unless there's like,
39:00SPEAKERunless the storage is corrupted somehow,
39:02SPEAKERlike it should be running the exact same code
39:03SPEAKERas every other phone.
39:04SPEAKER- Well, but the hard, but I mean,
39:06SPEAKERthere's always work done on the line as they're going,
39:09SPEAKERwhere they realize that they like,
39:11SPEAKERthey realize that the fit on a, on a, you know, heat,
39:13SPEAKERa thermal pad is not exactly right or something like that.
39:16SPEAKERSo like, like,
39:17SPEAKERor they have a bad batch of memory come through or whatever.
39:20SPEAKERThere's always like a cosmic ray hit the,
39:23SPEAKERthe Silicon bull when you were,
39:25SPEAKERwhen they were cutting the wedges and my CPU is in a spot
39:28SPEAKERwhere it just has, it passes the tests, but,
39:30SPEAKERbut maybe has a problem when it's under load or something.
39:32SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
39:33SPEAKERThat makes sense.
39:34SPEAKERThe way I found last time this came up,
39:38SPEAKERcause I had one other that was kind of bad.
39:40SPEAKERThey had me go to the page that has all the crash reports
39:42SPEAKERin iOS and the settings tab.
39:44SPEAKERAnd if there were a certain number of springboard crashes,
39:47SPEAKERthen they were just like, oh yeah,
39:48SPEAKERwell let's give you a new phone.
39:50SPEAKERCause like they know that springboard is pretty reliable.
39:52SPEAKERThey know that there's not a bunch of crashes happening.
39:54SPEAKERIf it's like, if you have,
39:55SPEAKERif Marvel snap is crashing like crazy, then they're like,
39:58SPEAKERoh, it's a video game.
39:59SPEAKERIt's probably, it's probably just bad code.
40:02SPEAKERWe don't see, we normally see two springboard crashes a year
40:05SPEAKERon a, on a normal user.
40:06SPEAKERYou've had 10 in the month you've had this phone,
40:08SPEAKERwe'll send you a new one.
40:09SPEAKER- Yeah.
40:10SPEAKER- I just don't want to have to reset the,
40:11SPEAKERlike it's just such a pain in the ass to change phones.
40:13SPEAKERI don't, I don't want to do it again.
40:15SPEAKER- I get it.
40:17SPEAKERI thought the transfer this last time, a few months ago,
40:20SPEAKERwas the easiest transfer I've done though.
40:22SPEAKER- It is, but it's still like, I have to change the Google,
40:24SPEAKERthe, where my Google keys for my,
40:27SPEAKERfor my super locked down accounts.
40:28SPEAKERAnd like, it's just a pain in the ass.
40:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
40:32SPEAKERAll right.
40:33SPEAKERMillhouse Phoenix getting a twofer this month.
40:35SPEAKER- Wow, a dooble.
40:37SPEAKER- As users of social media and discord,
40:39SPEAKERdo you partake in the annual spooky name tradition?
40:42SPEAKERAnd if so, what's the best name you've come up with?
40:44SPEAKER- Ill, Ill Sith for life.
40:47SPEAKER- Ill Sith, Ill Sith is pretty good.
40:51SPEAKERThe first year I ever did it,
40:52SPEAKERI came up with Blood Soul Taker.
40:54SPEAKER- That's pretty good.
40:55SPEAKER- And like you, I was like, you know,
40:57SPEAKERI'm probably not going to do better than that.
40:58SPEAKERI actually, I take that back.
41:00SPEAKERI, I, I slightly lean toward Vlad over blood.
41:04SPEAKER- Oh, Vlad's pretty good too.
41:05SPEAKERCause it's like Brad, but with a V.
41:07SPEAKER- Yes, you get the, you get the assments there.
41:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I think, I think Gary's gravy witta is my favorite.
41:15SPEAKER- Is that a Thanksgiving one?
41:16SPEAKER- That's his Thanksgiving one.
41:17SPEAKER- I kind of, it would get claying after a while,
41:20SPEAKERbut I kind of like the idea of people just going ham
41:22SPEAKERon holidays and constantly coming up
41:24SPEAKERwith a terrible wordplay.
41:25SPEAKER- Hell yeah, I mean, they do it.
41:27SPEAKERIt's part of the Saint, the Christmas to Easter death window
41:30SPEAKERor a Halloween to Easter death window.
41:33SPEAKER- Oh God, what is that?
41:33SPEAKERJust six months of indulgence.
41:35SPEAKER- Well, okay.
41:36SPEAKERIf you have a kid from Halloween to Easter,
41:38SPEAKERyou're going to have candy in the house.
41:40SPEAKERCandy, cookies, some sort of garbage.
41:42SPEAKER- Sure.
41:42SPEAKER- It's just, it's just a nonstop inundation
41:44SPEAKERof terrible for you food.
41:46SPEAKER- I mean, there's a kind of a brief respite
41:48SPEAKERbetween like new years and Valentines, right?
41:51SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know.
41:53SPEAKERThere's probably Martin Luther King day candy now.
41:55SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know.
41:55SPEAKERI mean, plus, I don't know about your house,
41:57SPEAKERbut my house, we were working through Nog,
41:58SPEAKERusually through mid January.
42:00SPEAKER- I don't call it the Nog.
42:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:02SPEAKER- You're doing the Nog this year.
42:03SPEAKER- I don't know, man.
42:04SPEAKERMy relationship with Nog changed a little bit
42:05SPEAKERafter the gallbladder incident last year.
42:07SPEAKER- God, Bryce, I forgot about that, I'm sorry.
42:09SPEAKER- Last time I had a sip of Nog,
42:10SPEAKERit put me in the hospital for four days.
42:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:14SPEAKER- Maybe is the answer.
42:17SPEAKERI don't know if I'm gonna make five gallons again.
42:21SPEAKER- That's a lot of Nog.
42:22SPEAKER- It was a shitload of Nogs.
42:23SPEAKER- That is a lot of Nog.
42:25SPEAKERUm, Scoot has a question.
42:29SPEAKER- Okay.
42:30SPEAKER- What are your cereals of choice?
42:32SPEAKERI'm currently enjoying a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch,
42:34SPEAKERwhich I justified buying by saying,
42:36SPEAKERI don't need to eat the boring cereals.
42:38SPEAKERI'm a grown adult and I can do what I want
42:40SPEAKERuntil my body catches up with me, at least.
42:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:44SPEAKER- I have moved into the boring cereals as I've gotten older.
42:47SPEAKERI like pretty much Grape Nuts are the only cereal
42:51SPEAKERthat I keep around on a regular basis at this point.
42:54SPEAKERGrape Nuts are nice 'cause they never go stale.
42:56SPEAKER- Yeah, man, that's good survival food, a lot of calories.
43:01SPEAKERSo you're like, if you really can't get your hands
43:03SPEAKERon any of the food, Grape Nuts will keep you going
43:05SPEAKERfor a while.
43:06SPEAKER- Do you do any, like I take a, I like a mushy banana
43:08SPEAKERand I'll mush a banana into some Grape Nuts with the milk.
43:11SPEAKERI like that a lot.
43:11SPEAKER- You mean like mashed banana, straight up?
43:14SPEAKER- Like I'll slice it, but I want it to be soft.
43:17SPEAKERI want the slices, I want the, like ideally,
43:20SPEAKERif the banana is so hard that the nuts don't stick to it,
43:23SPEAKERyou've messed up.
43:24SPEAKER- Oh man, that dude, I used to love banana in Cheerios
43:27SPEAKERback in the day.
43:30SPEAKERWhat, wait, how was that?
43:31SPEAKER- I don't like Cheerios, Cheerios get too soggy, man.
43:33SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, you gotta eat Cheerios fast.
43:35SPEAKERMan, that's a good idea though, I gotta.
43:37SPEAKERActually, what got me back into Grape Nuts
43:39SPEAKERwas realizing how much sugar is in granola.
43:41SPEAKER- Oh yeah, granola is like candy, basically.
43:44SPEAKER- Yes, so I started subbing Grape Nuts in for granola
43:47SPEAKERin like yogurt, stuff like that.
43:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I'll do a little brown sugar and Grape Nuts
43:54SPEAKERand then put it in the microwave, warm that up sometimes.
43:57SPEAKER- I never even thought about warm Grape Nuts.
43:59SPEAKER- Look, you can, Grape Nuts, Grape Nuts is the Uru cereal,
44:02SPEAKERyou can do everything with it.
44:04SPEAKERBut I'm a Captain Crunch man through and through.
44:06SPEAKER- Yeah, if we live by the crunch, die by the crunch.
44:10SPEAKER- I mean, if we're just talking like go for broke,
44:13SPEAKERlike health is out the window, God yeah,
44:16SPEAKERCaptain Crunch is like, if the captain did not
44:22SPEAKERso consistently lacerate the roof of your mouth
44:25SPEAKERevery time you sailed the high seas with him,
44:27SPEAKERI would say that might be the number one cereal,
44:29SPEAKERbut there is that drawback.
44:32SPEAKER- A, first off, if you engage it with the captain enough,
44:34SPEAKEReventually you develop calluses.
44:36SPEAKERBut B, you don't chew it with your tongue
44:40SPEAKERand your soft palate, you chew it with your teeth.
44:42SPEAKERSo don't eat such a fucking huge spoonful, man,
44:44SPEAKERyou'll be fine.
44:45SPEAKERGod, I haven't had Captain Crunch in so long.
44:48SPEAKER- So, let's see, I'll do a Captain Crunch,
44:50SPEAKERI like a Frosted Mini Wheat, okay.
44:52SPEAKER- Yeah, those talk about getting soggy though.
44:56SPEAKER- Well, you know what, they varnish them with something now
44:58SPEAKERso they don't get as soggy as they used to.
45:01SPEAKERThe Life, I like a Life, 'cause you think it's healthy,
45:06SPEAKERbut you might as well have a bowl of ice cream
45:07SPEAKERas have a light bowl of Life cereal or Frosted Mini Wheats.
45:10SPEAKER- Wait, really, is it that bad?
45:11SPEAKER- I had this conversation.
45:14SPEAKERI had pitched, I noted podcasters with a,
45:21SPEAKERhey, we should do a cereal podcast called Cereal.
45:25SPEAKERWell, around the time Cereal Podcast,
45:26SPEAKERthe Murder Podcast came out just to confuse issues.
45:29SPEAKERAnd turns out they were already doing it,
45:31SPEAKERso it was a little late.
45:33SPEAKERBut the upshot is I looked at the caloric value
45:37SPEAKERof a not serving size, but like the size people
45:41SPEAKERactually make of a bowl of cereal with whole milk.
45:44SPEAKERAnd a bowl of ice cream,
45:45SPEAKER'cause I was having cereal for dessert sometimes,
45:48SPEAKER'cause why not, live moss.
45:51SPEAKERIt turns out you might as well just have a bowl of ice cream.
45:53SPEAKER- Okay, that's good stuff.
45:55SPEAKER- A small bowl of ice cream.
45:56SPEAKERLike you have a scoop of an ice cream,
45:58SPEAKERthat's a big bowl of cereal.
46:01SPEAKER- Kix?
46:02SPEAKER- Fuck Kix, man, that's like depression area.
46:06SPEAKERLook, that's cereal that that guy invented
46:08SPEAKERso that people wouldn't masturbate as much, Brad.
46:10SPEAKER- Wait, what?
46:11SPEAKER- Do you not know the origins of cereal?
46:13SPEAKER- Oh no, what?
46:13SPEAKER- The cereal puffers were built by people
46:15SPEAKERwho believed that people were losing their vital essences
46:19SPEAKERto too much masturbation, so they wanted to make food
46:22SPEAKERthat would be bland enough
46:23SPEAKERto discourage any kind of self-pleasure.
46:25SPEAKER- This can't, you--
46:26SPEAKER- This is 100% a fact.
46:27SPEAKER- You cannot be--
46:29SPEAKER- Nope.
46:30SPEAKER- Wait, but I'm on the Kix website, they have--
46:32SPEAKER- They don't fucking put it on the Kix website, man.
46:34SPEAKERThis is cereal's dark legacy.
46:35SPEAKER- Dude, they make like berry Kix now.
46:37SPEAKERThat sounds pretty good.
46:38SPEAKERHoney Kix?
46:39SPEAKER- Kix, Kix, Kix, Kix are cereal, hmm.
46:42SPEAKERI'm saying no to Kix.
46:43SPEAKER- I'm trying to say, okay, about Kix, hang on.
46:47SPEAKERWow, you're right, there sure is no mention
46:49SPEAKERof the origin of Kix.
46:50SPEAKER- I don't know that Kix was actually the cereal
46:52SPEAKERthat was invented for this, but the point is
46:54SPEAKERthat puffer was invented, the puffer was invented,
46:57SPEAKERcereal was invented to provide a bland food
47:01SPEAKERthat would discourage impure thoughts
47:03SPEAKERthanks to our legacy of--
47:06SPEAKER- Puritanism.
47:07SPEAKER- Puritanism in the United States.
47:09SPEAKER- Like, just, you mean to deny any pleasure whatsoever?
47:13SPEAKER- Also, if this turns out to be an urban legend
47:17SPEAKERslash not true, I don't know that I wanna know
47:20SPEAKERthe difference, because I love the idea
47:22SPEAKERthat Captain Crunch's origin was in anti-masturbation food.
47:26SPEAKER- Look, get your moralizing cereal out of here.
47:29SPEAKER- Yeah, look, we all know that the Yummy Mummy
47:34SPEAKERand Boo Berry are a non-traditional couple,
47:36SPEAKERand we appreciate them.
47:37SPEAKER- The Yummy Mummy?
47:38SPEAKER- Do you not know about the Yummy Mummy?
47:40SPEAKERThey're the GM family, General Mills family
47:43SPEAKERof Halloween cereals.
47:44SPEAKER- So, okay, there's Boo Berry, or no, Boo Berry?
47:46SPEAKER- Count Chocula, Boo Berry, Franken Berry.
47:48SPEAKER- Wait, there's two, do they really do two berries?
47:51SPEAKERThat's a cop-out.
47:52SPEAKER- Look, man.
47:53SPEAKER- Boo Berry and Franken Berry?
47:54SPEAKER- Well, here's the thing, they cycle them,
47:55SPEAKERso you don't get Yummy Mummy every year.
47:57SPEAKER- Hang on, I have to Google Yummy Mummy.
47:58SPEAKER- This year was a Count Chocula and Boo Berry year,
48:01SPEAKERfrom what I could tell.
48:02SPEAKERWe didn't see any Yummy Mummy or Franken Berry.
48:06SPEAKER- I don't know, man, I type Yummy Mummy in here,
48:09SPEAKERand the only thing that came up is a breast pump.
48:13SPEAKEROh, here we go, okay.
48:15SPEAKER- You gotta put cereal after it.
48:16SPEAKERIf you put boob after it, you're gonna get...
48:19SPEAKER- Many, many results down the page.
48:21SPEAKERHere is, in fact, a cereal called Yummy Mummy.
48:23SPEAKERAlso, when I Googled Kix, which is K-I-X,
48:26SPEAKERI was a little disturbed to see that Kix, the band,
48:28SPEAKERcame up way before Kix, the cereal.
48:31SPEAKER- I'm gonna go and tell you,
48:32SPEAKER'cause Kix is punishment cereal.
48:33SPEAKERYou get that when you've been bad.
48:35SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
48:36SPEAKER- Vanilla flavored marshmallows.
48:38SPEAKER- It's part of, look, the GM,
48:41SPEAKERthis is the dark universe we deserve.
48:43SPEAKERWe need a movie universe of the GM cereal mascots.
48:48SPEAKERYou know, Count Chocula, Boo Berry,
48:51SPEAKERthey're going out solving some crimes.
48:53SPEAKERLike, that'd be fucking cool, man.
48:54SPEAKER- I could see Tom Cruise as Count Chocula.
48:56SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly, what's his name?
48:59SPEAKERThe Australian guy, Hugh Jackman.
49:01SPEAKERHe can be the Yummy Mummy.
49:03SPEAKER- Okay, sure, I could see it.
49:05SPEAKER- Sounds great.
49:07SPEAKERHere's a question that I'm gonna attempt
49:09SPEAKERto dispense some knowledge about.
49:12SPEAKERI hope I've got this right.
49:14SPEAKERRay in reverse.
49:17SPEAKERWhy is the write speed so dramatically variable
49:19SPEAKERwhen moving files to an external hard drive?
49:21SPEAKERFor instance, a folder of pictures,
49:23SPEAKERall the same file type,
49:24SPEAKERyet the write speed fluctuates dramatically.
49:28SPEAKERI assume you're probably running into IOPS limits there,
49:31SPEAKERinput, output, operations per second.
49:35SPEAKERSo basically, you have a blank stare.
49:37SPEAKERNow I'm starting to worry.
49:38SPEAKER- I'm looking something up.
49:39SPEAKER- Okay, you're looking something up.
49:40SPEAKERSo this is my lay understanding.
49:43SPEAKERI could always be wrong.
49:44SPEAKERAnybody who actually works in this field can correct me,
49:46SPEAKERbut essentially every time you interact
49:48SPEAKERwith a file on a drive,
49:49SPEAKERthere is a minimum amount of overhead that has to happen
49:51SPEAKERas, you know, like OS queries, whatever index or table
49:56SPEAKERhas to access nodes in the file system, et cetera, et cetera.
49:59SPEAKERYou know, I'm kind of generalizing with terms here,
50:01SPEAKERbut basically there is some minimum amount of like,
50:03SPEAKERwhat milliseconds would you say or even smaller units
50:08SPEAKERof overhead time that is involved with every transaction.
50:11SPEAKERAnd so when you have a bunch of tiny files,
50:13SPEAKEReven though they might take a split second to transfer,
50:16SPEAKERthat overhead, that access overhead
50:17SPEAKERstill has to happen for each file.
50:19SPEAKER- That's exactly it.
50:20SPEAKERSo you're writing to the MFT.
50:22SPEAKERAnd if you're writing to a physical spinning platter,
50:24SPEAKERthen the MFT is usually stored in a different location
50:27SPEAKERon the drive than the actual file is.
50:29SPEAKERSo the head, the physical head has to move
50:31SPEAKERfrom the place the file gets saved to the MFT,
50:33SPEAKERthe master file table, and then back again,
50:36SPEAKERover and over and over again.
50:37SPEAKERThere are file systems that do this better and worse.
50:40SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.
50:42SPEAKERI have, well, whatever, I started to get in,
50:45SPEAKERget into some Linux minutia, but maybe I'll save it.
50:48SPEAKERBut that's why, like,
50:49SPEAKERif you're watching the Windows file copy dialogue,
50:51SPEAKERfor example, you'll see it slow way down
50:53SPEAKERwhen the files are flying by one by one.
50:55SPEAKERBut then if it hits some like two gig file,
50:58SPEAKERyou'll see the transfer speed fly way back up
51:00SPEAKERbecause then it's hitting max throughput.
51:03SPEAKER- This is why,
51:04SPEAKERif you're copying a whole boatload of small files,
51:06SPEAKERit's faster to tar, gzip them, and then copy them,
51:09SPEAKERand then untar gzip them,
51:11SPEAKERthan it is just copy the bunch of small files.
51:12SPEAKER- Of course, you still have to go through all the,
51:15SPEAKERlike tarring them, you have to deal with those limits
51:18SPEAKERon that end as you tar them,
51:19SPEAKERbut that's still probably faster to do that locally.
51:21SPEAKER- Yeah, and I feel like there's something
51:23SPEAKERabout the way tar works that makes it go faster
51:25SPEAKER'cause it does all the writes at once
51:27SPEAKERrather than individual writes, I can't remember.
51:29SPEAKER- That is possible.
51:31SPEAKERThat's one of the reasons,
51:32SPEAKERthat's one of the many reasons I love ZFS so much,
51:34SPEAKER'cause when you send a ZFS dataset,
51:35SPEAKERit doesn't send file by file,
51:37SPEAKERit just sends a bit stream of the block device.
51:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
51:40SPEAKER- So it doesn't touch limits like that,
51:42SPEAKERit just sends at full speed constantly, it's awesome.
51:45SPEAKER- Yep.
51:47SPEAKER- Another question from Han,
51:48SPEAKERwe're getting a lot of twofers this month.
51:51SPEAKERAnother Warbird.
51:54SPEAKERWhat are some items, tech or otherwise,
51:55SPEAKERthat you've acquired as of late
51:56SPEAKERthat have surprised you in their quality?
51:59SPEAKERFor example, I've gotten a few pairs of Lululemon pants
52:01SPEAKERand have been pleasantly surprised
52:03SPEAKERby some of their design considerations,
52:04SPEAKERlike drawstrings having a bit of elastic in them,
52:07SPEAKERso you can get the shorts off to your dark bathroom deeds
52:12SPEAKERwhile having to be asked to tie and untie each time.
52:16SPEAKERAlso, they goddamn comfortable.
52:20SPEAKERThat is quite an, you know.
52:22SPEAKER- Wow, that's painted a real word picture there.
52:24SPEAKER- I mean, I wear gym shorts to exercise a lot and stuff
52:27SPEAKERand I get where he's coming from
52:29SPEAKERwith these stretchy drawstrings, actually.
52:32SPEAKER- So when we went to Disneyland,
52:34SPEAKERI needed a pair of no-show socks
52:35SPEAKER'cause I was told I couldn't have socks
52:37SPEAKERthat came up too high.
52:38SPEAKER- Told by whom?
52:40SPEAKER- People.
52:42SPEAKERAnd I bought a pair, about three pairs of darn tough,
52:47SPEAKER$16 no-show socks.
52:49SPEAKERThey were $16 each.
52:51SPEAKER- Per pair.
52:52SPEAKER- Not each sock, but per pair.
52:53SPEAKER- Yikes, okay.
52:54SPEAKER- It was a lot.
52:55SPEAKERBut I was also gonna be,
52:56SPEAKERI knew I was gonna be walking like 14 hours a day,
52:57SPEAKERso I was like, "Okay, I'm investing in my comfort here."
53:00SPEAKERI'm the best goddamn socks I've ever had in my life.
53:02SPEAKER- Wow, they are tough?
53:04SPEAKER- Truly ridiculous.
53:05SPEAKERYou know what sold me on them?
53:07SPEAKERIs they will replace them when they get a hole in them.
53:09SPEAKER- A what?
53:09SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:10SPEAKER- Nonsense.
53:11SPEAKER- It's called darn tough for a reason, Brad.
53:13SPEAKER- Huh.
53:14SPEAKER- Yeah, so that was pretty good.
53:16SPEAKERI liked that a lot.
53:17SPEAKERI thought that was pretty cool.
53:19SPEAKERI bought a set of X-Acto knives the other day.
53:21SPEAKERI've always bought just like the onesie cheapo,
53:24SPEAKERnot the one that comes in the little box with the set.
53:27SPEAKERAnd the problem is I always,
53:28SPEAKERbecause it's not in a little pouch,
53:30SPEAKERI always lose one of the pieces at some point.
53:32SPEAKERAnd then I have a razor sharp knife
53:34SPEAKERjust floating around the drawer with no cover on it
53:36SPEAKERor whatever.
53:37SPEAKER- It's always great.
53:38SPEAKER- So now I have a little box and it has a good zipper.
53:40SPEAKERAnd I have three different blades,
53:42SPEAKERincluding the heavy duty one
53:43SPEAKERwith like the screwdriver handle.
53:45SPEAKERI used it to carve the pumpkin the other day.
53:47SPEAKERFucking awesome.
53:47SPEAKER- Wow, that's pretty cool.
53:49SPEAKERWow, I never considered the idea
53:50SPEAKERof using an X-Acto on a pumpkin.
53:52SPEAKER- Let me go and tell you it goes through a knife
53:53SPEAKERlike an X-Acto knife goes through pumpkin.
53:55SPEAKERIt's real easy.
53:57SPEAKER- Sure it does.
53:58SPEAKER- Piece of cake.
54:00SPEAKER- I have a perspective answer for this question.
54:03SPEAKER- Okay.
54:04SPEAKER- I haven't actually bought the thing yet.
54:05SPEAKER- Hmm, I don't know if that fits the category.
54:08SPEAKER- Well, I'm hoping this will.
54:09SPEAKERMaybe people can give me recommendations
54:11SPEAKERfor their item in this category.
54:14SPEAKERI'm thinking about getting a bathrobe.
54:16SPEAKER- Ooh.
54:18SPEAKER- I've never worn or owned a bathrobe in my life,
54:20SPEAKERbut I'm thinking I might become a robe wearer.
54:23SPEAKER- Okay, so there's a wide swath of bathrobes.
54:27SPEAKERSee, are you thinking about like a big thick terrycloth thing
54:32SPEAKERand thinking like a chenille?
54:33SPEAKERYou thinking like a silk?
54:34SPEAKERAre you gonna go kimono here?
54:36SPEAKER- My partner has a couple of,
54:38SPEAKERI think they're both polyester robes that she-
54:42SPEAKER- One material on the outside, different one on the inside?
54:44SPEAKER- I don't know.
54:45SPEAKERWait, are you making a judgment about polyester?
54:47SPEAKER- No, no, you can get a line.
54:48SPEAKERLike the polyester will be on the outside
54:50SPEAKERand then you have like terrycloth.
54:50SPEAKER'Cause like who wants something
54:51SPEAKERthat's gonna be a little absorbent, right?
54:53SPEAKER- I see, I see.
54:54SPEAKERI think it's all one thing, I don't know.
54:56SPEAKER- Okay, I could see you pulling off one of the Kirk,
55:02SPEAKERthe Kirk like mid thigh, like a high rise.
55:05SPEAKER- Oh, I was thinking like a full length trench coat looking.
55:09SPEAKER- Okay.
55:10SPEAKER- It's about to get cold around here.
55:11SPEAKER- It's true.
55:13SPEAKERI mean, look, I just bought a heated mattress pad
55:16SPEAKERthe other day, so.
55:17SPEAKER- Wow, what?
55:19SPEAKER- Yeah, you see, it's a mattress pad
55:20SPEAKERthat has heating elements in separate ones on each side.
55:23SPEAKER- Like electric ones?
55:24SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
55:25SPEAKER- Interesting.
55:26SPEAKER- And you turn it on before you get in
55:27SPEAKERand it warms the bed all up.
55:28SPEAKERAnd then if you get cold in the middle of the night,
55:29SPEAKERyou just hit it on for a minute and it toasts you right up.
55:32SPEAKER- Man, that sounds pretty good.
55:33SPEAKER- Yeah, we're having a bed revitalization right now.
55:36SPEAKERI'm excited.
55:37SPEAKERWe ordered a comforter that's like hot on one side
55:40SPEAKERand cold on the other side.
55:41SPEAKER- Wow, oh yeah, yeah.
55:42SPEAKERWe've got a couple of blankets like that.
55:44SPEAKER- Yeah, because I'm always cold
55:45SPEAKERand Gina's always hot, so.
55:47SPEAKER- Oh, a bamboo blanket, how about that?
55:51SPEAKER- I'm a goose down duvet man for life.
55:54SPEAKER- I sleep very hot, very hot.
55:58SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
55:58SPEAKER- Like dangerously hot.
56:00SPEAKER- Wow.
56:01SPEAKER- Like if I get more than,
56:03SPEAKERif I get the wrong comforter-
56:04SPEAKER- I didn't think Brad is dangerously hot
56:05SPEAKERwould be on my bingo card for today, but here we are.
56:08SPEAKER- If I get the wrong comforter in the wrong position,
56:11SPEAKERlike I'm just going to wake up drenched in sweat,
56:12SPEAKERlike it sucks.
56:13SPEAKER- That's awful.
56:14SPEAKER- It's awful.
56:15SPEAKER- You sure it's a thyroid thing?
56:17SPEAKERThat sounds like a medical condition.
56:18SPEAKER- I certainly hope not.
56:19SPEAKERI mean, I'm talking like I get like fully wrapped up
56:21SPEAKERin the down comforter is what I'm saying.
56:23SPEAKER- Oh man, I love being full.
56:24SPEAKERThat's my favorite place to be in the whole house.
56:26SPEAKER- It hasn't happened in a very long time
56:28SPEAKERbecause I've made adjustments to my sleepwear,
56:30SPEAKERincluding a bamboo blanket.
56:32SPEAKERIt's a blanket made from bamboo fibers.
56:35SPEAKER- Okay.
56:36SPEAKER- It's like-
56:37SPEAKER- It's very ecologically friendly.
56:38SPEAKER- It's remarkably warm for how thin it is.
56:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
56:42SPEAKER- I'm getting a look from the door.
56:44SPEAKERIt was not my idea.
56:45SPEAKERIt was definitely someone else's brilliant idea.
56:47SPEAKER- Ah, you're one of the pigs, clearly.
56:51SPEAKERThe look has now become a celebration dance.
56:53SPEAKERIt's super thin.
56:55SPEAKERIt's super thin, but like it's very warm for how thin it is,
56:59SPEAKERbut it's also breathable.
56:59SPEAKERSo like that on a top sheet,
57:01SPEAKERunless it's like just super cold in the house,
57:04SPEAKERlike that's good.
57:05SPEAKERI'm good.
57:06SPEAKERAnd I haven't, don't get sweaty anymore.
57:08SPEAKER- So when we were, the place we were in in Palm Desert
57:11SPEAKERhad a weighted blanket on the couch,
57:13SPEAKERwhich I had never experienced before.
57:15SPEAKER- Oh yeah, those are good.
57:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm kind of into that.
57:17SPEAKERI think, I think like that was the,
57:19SPEAKERso the question we were having is whether we're gonna go
57:21SPEAKERwith the duvet like we have for the last 25 years,
57:24SPEAKERwe're gonna invest in some weighted blanket technology.
57:27SPEAKERAnd I think the answer is probably both at some point.
57:30SPEAKERI don't know, we'll see.
57:32SPEAKER- Weighted blankets. - You wanna do one more?
57:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
57:35SPEAKER- I have some stuff highlighted, but that wasn't a signal.
57:37SPEAKERThat was just me highlighting idly 'cause I do that.
57:39SPEAKER- I noticed we've developed our own wordless
57:42SPEAKERcommunication method via Google Doc
57:44SPEAKERas we've been doing these.
57:45SPEAKER- Well, see, I always say, am I highlighting them?
57:48SPEAKERAnd then I just, I forget that when I sit
57:51SPEAKERwith a text window open,
57:52SPEAKERI just idly highlight things constantly.
57:54SPEAKER- Oh, I always take, when I see you highlight something
57:57SPEAKERin the Google Doc, I take that as a suggestion
57:59SPEAKERthat we should read that one next.
58:01SPEAKER- I realized you probably were doing that
58:03SPEAKERand I'm literally just highlighting it 'cause it's bold, so.
58:06SPEAKER- Okay, well, anyway, I was thinking about reading this one
58:10SPEAKERfrom Scoot, although neither of us works in the field.
58:12SPEAKERSo I don't know what kind of answer we might give,
58:15SPEAKERbut Scoot asks, if someone were to get into programming today
58:20SPEAKERwith absolutely zero knowledge,
58:21SPEAKERwhere would you recommend they start?
58:23SPEAKERDo you have any insight?
58:24SPEAKER- I would say Python is what I've generally been told.
58:29SPEAKER- That's definitely what I would recommend language-wise.
58:31SPEAKERI'm trying to think like resources and use cases,
58:33SPEAKERlike the thing I've been staring at.
58:36SPEAKERSo like I do a decent amount of shell scripting,
58:38SPEAKERPowerShell and Bash, depending on the OS.
58:42SPEAKERLike everybody in the world basically says like,
58:44SPEAKERhey, anytime you write more than like 20 lines of shell,
58:46SPEAKERyou should just go do it in Python instead.
58:48SPEAKERAnd so- - I think that's right.
58:50SPEAKER- That's been the pathway in the Python
58:53SPEAKERthat I've been eyeballing and putting off for some months.
58:56SPEAKERBut there is, so this is probably,
59:01SPEAKERokay, without the benefit of having done this myself,
59:03SPEAKERbut what I've read about it,
59:03SPEAKERI think this is probably like the most practical thing
59:05SPEAKERanybody could do, wanting to learn some basic programming
59:08SPEAKERand specifically Python.
59:09SPEAKERThere is a free book called Automate the Boring Stuff.
59:14SPEAKEROoh, with Python,
59:15SPEAKERwhich is literally automatetheboringstuff.com.
59:18SPEAKERAnd you can just go read the whole book online,
59:20SPEAKERor I think you can buy a copy.
59:22SPEAKERBut for what I've skimmed,
59:25SPEAKERit looks like it's a pretty good introduction
59:28SPEAKERto both some generalized programming concepts
59:30SPEAKERand also some practical advice for just like,
59:33SPEAKERhey, you can automate a lot of the things you do
59:35SPEAKERon a computer every day
59:37SPEAKERwith a little bit of basic knowledge in this.
59:39SPEAKER- So- - And so that is,
59:42SPEAKERthat's the thing I am meaning to go through
59:44SPEAKERchapter by chapter whenever I get time.
59:47SPEAKER- I was talking to some friends about this the other day,
59:49SPEAKERand they introduced me to a site called Codewars,
59:53SPEAKERwhich is a- - Codewars?
59:54SPEAKER- Codewars, yeah, and it's like a leader,
59:56SPEAKERit's like a game around solving CS problems.
1:00:00SPEAKER- Oh, what?
1:00:00SPEAKER- So you can basically choose the, like,
1:00:03SPEAKERbasically you say, hey, here's how good I am at this.
1:00:06SPEAKERAnd then it gives you some challenges,
1:00:09SPEAKERlike, hey, here's a list of,
1:00:11SPEAKERgenerate a list of numbers from one to 100
1:00:13SPEAKERand then change all of the numbers
1:00:15SPEAKERthat are divisible by three to letters
1:00:17SPEAKERand all the numbers that are prime to letters
1:00:21SPEAKERwith a, that are red or something like that.
1:00:23SPEAKERAnd you basically, and you say,
1:00:24SPEAKERhere's the language I want to do it in,
1:00:26SPEAKERand then it gives you the thing and it tells you,
1:00:27SPEAKERand tells you how you did at the end
1:00:30SPEAKERand compares you to other people.
1:00:31SPEAKERSo you do like, it's like head to heads and stuff like that.
1:00:33SPEAKERIt's- - Oh, wow.
1:00:34SPEAKER- It seemed like a fun way to,
1:00:36SPEAKERto like turn those kinds of exercises
1:00:38SPEAKERinto a little more gamey without actively gamifying them.
1:00:41SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds super fun.
1:00:43SPEAKERAnd also it would be really useful if, you know,
1:00:45SPEAKERdo you know if they, at some point say like, okay,
1:00:47SPEAKERhere's how proficient we think you are,
1:00:49SPEAKERbecause like that sounds really useful
1:00:50SPEAKERfor somebody who knows a little bit
1:00:51SPEAKERand wants to get a little bit more of a quantified answer
1:00:54SPEAKERabout how much they know?
1:00:56SPEAKER- Each kata, which is what the small coding exercises
1:01:00SPEAKERare called, are crafted by the community
1:01:01SPEAKERto help you strengthen different coding skills.
1:01:04SPEAKERAnd you, they're kind of tiered
1:01:05SPEAKERbased on how you, how you're progressing.
1:01:07SPEAKER- Okay.
1:01:08SPEAKER- So it seems a lot like,
1:01:10SPEAKERif you've ever played Human Resource Machine,
1:01:13SPEAKERit's kind of the same,
1:01:13SPEAKERlike Human Resource Machine, that game,
1:01:15SPEAKERit's by the people that made World of Ooze or World of Goo.
1:01:20SPEAKERIt kind of teaches you how to do sorts and stuff like that.
1:01:23SPEAKERLike you don't really learn the language,
1:01:25SPEAKERbut it's basically you're learning how to do them,
1:01:27SPEAKERbuild an algorithm that sorts characters
1:01:30SPEAKERthrough this filtering sieve.
1:01:34SPEAKERBut yeah, it seems cool.
1:01:36SPEAKER- It's a little broey, but it seemed fun.
1:01:40SPEAKERAnd I, my intent is to check it out
1:01:42SPEAKERand put my limited programming abilities to the test.
1:01:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I will definitely check that out.
1:01:47SPEAKERI know Code Academy is another big one
1:01:49SPEAKERthat a lot of people like.
1:01:50SPEAKER- That's how, that's a, that's a good place to start,
1:01:52SPEAKERI think, if you just want to learn,
1:01:54SPEAKERif you're, if you want to start, I think,
1:01:56SPEAKERI think, I guess my point is Code Wars
1:01:58SPEAKERplus some other kind of curricula is probably a good,
1:02:01SPEAKERlike, it seems like a good way to practice,
1:02:03SPEAKERlike a fun place to practice,
1:02:04SPEAKERif you like that kind of head-to-head thing.
1:02:06SPEAKER- The thing, the big thing, gosh, who was it?
1:02:09SPEAKEROh gosh, which FOSPOD interview was it?
1:02:12SPEAKERIt was Blender, right?
1:02:13SPEAKERI think it was Pablo on the Blender episode
1:02:15SPEAKERwas talking about how expensive
1:02:17SPEAKERjust straight up compilers used to be in the nineties.
1:02:19SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
1:02:20SPEAKER- And like how that literally dictated
1:02:21SPEAKERsome of the early decisions that were made around Blender,
1:02:23SPEAKERbecause they had to pay to like,
1:02:25SPEAKERthey couldn't use C++ for stuff
1:02:26SPEAKER'cause they couldn't afford the compiler back then.
1:02:28SPEAKERBut like, the point is there are so many resources,
1:02:30SPEAKERlike all the tools are free
1:02:32SPEAKERand a crap load of the resources are also free
1:02:35SPEAKERthese days out there.
1:02:35SPEAKERLike there's so much out there
1:02:37SPEAKERto get started really accessibly.
1:02:40SPEAKER- Yeah, well, and some of them,
1:02:43SPEAKERlike a lot of language,
1:02:44SPEAKERyou don't even have to do interpreted languages anymore,
1:02:46SPEAKERright?
1:02:47SPEAKERLike you can do,
1:02:48SPEAKERJavaScript is a perfectly fine thing to learn too.
1:02:50SPEAKERLike it's incredibly useful.
1:02:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:02:53SPEAKER- So yeah, I think there's a lot of options.
1:02:56SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.
1:02:57SPEAKER- So I did highlight the one that I wanna do next.
1:02:59SPEAKERI said we were gonna do one more,
1:03:00SPEAKERbut I have one more.
1:03:02SPEAKER- Okay, I'll let you take this one.
1:03:04SPEAKER- Ginkgo says, if you took all of a thing from the planet
1:03:07SPEAKERand put them end to end,
1:03:08SPEAKERwhat thing would be the longest?
1:03:10SPEAKERCopper wire, rice?
1:03:12SPEAKERIt's a good question.
1:03:14SPEAKERI saw a study the other day that gave me an answer,
1:03:16SPEAKERbut I'm gonna let you go first.
1:03:17SPEAKER- Oh, geez.
1:03:19SPEAKERGosh, I'm gonna say ants.
1:03:25SPEAKER- Ooh, ants is a good insect.
1:03:26SPEAKERIt's always safe to bet on insects here, right?
1:03:29SPEAKER'Cause there's like, for every person,
1:03:31SPEAKERthere's something like 200 tons of insects in the world
1:03:33SPEAKERor something like that.
1:03:34SPEAKER- Yes, I think this must've been on Nextlander, right?
1:03:36SPEAKERI know I've talked about this somewhere recently,
1:03:38SPEAKERbut I want to say I've read that the mass of ants
1:03:42SPEAKERon the planet is greater than the biomass
1:03:46SPEAKERof everything else.
1:03:48SPEAKER- It's, that would not surprise me.
1:03:50SPEAKER- I don't know if that's true or not, but...
1:03:52SPEAKER- Ants run silent and run deep.
1:03:53SPEAKER- Yes.
1:03:55SPEAKER- I read a study the other day
1:03:57SPEAKERthat where they tried to do a survey of all the worms.
1:04:00SPEAKER- Oh.
1:04:00SPEAKER- So I think nothing manmade is gonna hit this category
1:04:03SPEAKERis where I'm gonna say.
1:04:04SPEAKERMaybe all the rice ever consumed,
1:04:06SPEAKERbut not all the rice on the planet today.
1:04:08SPEAKERThat's not in the right ballpark.
1:04:09SPEAKERBut worms, one of the big takeaways I had from this
1:04:14SPEAKERwas that on a well-cultivated piece of farmland,
1:04:17SPEAKERthere's probably more mass of worms underneath
1:04:21SPEAKERthan there is of like livestock above it.
1:04:23SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
1:04:24SPEAKER- So like, if you have a field full of cows,
1:04:27SPEAKERprobably more worms underneath
1:04:29SPEAKERthan there are cows on top.
1:04:30SPEAKER- That's a lot of worm.
1:04:32SPEAKER- Seven million worms per person
1:04:34SPEAKERis the low end of the estimate from this.
1:04:36SPEAKERAnd this was a study,
1:04:38SPEAKERthis was surveying a bunch of different biomes
1:04:39SPEAKERaround the world.
1:04:41SPEAKERIt's the biggest longitudinal survey of worms ever
1:04:45SPEAKERis my understanding.
1:04:46SPEAKER- That's a lot of seven million times seven billion.
1:04:50SPEAKER- Yeah, this is more zero.
1:04:51SPEAKERI don't know the number.
1:04:52SPEAKERI don't know what that number is.
1:04:54SPEAKERIt's a boatload of worms and they're long too.
1:04:56SPEAKERSo I think that beats ants.
1:04:57SPEAKERThat's my theory.
1:04:58SPEAKER- Okay.
1:04:59SPEAKER- Actually, you need the thing that is both belonging,
1:05:02SPEAKERyou need the, what's the sweet spot
1:05:05SPEAKERbetween length of object and number of objects, right?
1:05:08SPEAKER- Yeah, right.
1:05:10SPEAKER- Ants are numerous, but not long,
1:05:11SPEAKERbut worms are both numerous and long.
1:05:13SPEAKER- Yeah, they're long boys.
1:05:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:15SPEAKER- So I guess that'll do it for us this week.
1:05:17SPEAKER- Yes.
1:05:18SPEAKER- I'm glad you're feeling a little better, Brad.
1:05:19SPEAKERI hope you continue your recovery.
1:05:21SPEAKER- Getting there.
1:05:23SPEAKER- We-
1:05:24SPEAKER- We should have Kishore back on sometime.
1:05:26SPEAKER- I would love to talk to Kishore again.
1:05:28SPEAKERI would love to talk to him.
1:05:29SPEAKERI kind of want to talk to him about the worm study.
1:05:31SPEAKERHonestly, the worm thing was cool.
1:05:32SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:33SPEAKER- I've read a bunch about worms this morning.
1:05:34SPEAKER- Wait, what if we got Kishore on
1:05:36SPEAKERand talked about cheerier science stuff?
1:05:38SPEAKER- Yeah, worms are cool, man.
1:05:40SPEAKERI watched a crow this morning pick a couple of worms.
1:05:42SPEAKERIt started raining down here
1:05:43SPEAKERand the crow was just sitting in the backyard
1:05:44SPEAKERand it was like a buffet for the crow.
1:05:46SPEAKERHe was going ham on the worms.
1:05:48SPEAKER- Crow's gotta eat too.
1:05:49SPEAKER- Circle of life, man.
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1:06:48SPEAKERJoel Krowska, Twinkle Twinkie, and James Kamik.
1:06:50SPEAKERThank you all so much.
1:06:51SPEAKERWe appreciate you.
1:06:51SPEAKER- Yes, we do.
1:06:52SPEAKERThank you.
1:06:53SPEAKER- And that, I guess, is gonna do it for this week.
1:06:56SPEAKER- That's right.
1:06:57SPEAKERI'm suppressing a cough.
1:06:58SPEAKERWe gotta...
1:06:58SPEAKER- Oh, see you all next time.
1:06:59SPEAKERBye.