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Special Ep: Don't Pull the Frenulum

2022-10-30 · 1:02:21

00:00SPEAKERhey everybody will here Brad is unfortunately feeling under the weather

00:03SPEAKERthis week and we weren't able to record a new episode for you all but what we

00:08SPEAKERhave done is pulled deep from the patron episode archive to get patron episode 19

00:14SPEAKERwhich was recorded last year just before Halloween it was posted on the 30th of

00:18SPEAKEROctober and we will be running that for everybody this week so enjoy this is

00:23SPEAKERpatron episode 19 don't pull the frenulum we do a few QA's we talk about

00:28SPEAKERnightmarish self-closing doors look there's a little bit of body it's all

00:32SPEAKERthe stuff you want on Halloween you got a little bit of body horror you'll be

00:35SPEAKERcandy talk I it's it's a it's a real journey for all of us so I hope you

00:42SPEAKERenjoy and we'll do patron thank yous at the end of the patron up see you in a

00:47SPEAKERbit I get real anxious when you don't have the beeper thing up at the

00:57SPEAKERmicrophone and there's only like three seconds left I know that there's plenty

01:00SPEAKERof time look I'm the fastest draw on the west okay but I just I just feel like I

01:04SPEAKERfeel like it's like the door is going down really slowly and like you're

01:08SPEAKERsliding down and your hand is still under it and like God that scene and

01:12SPEAKERhere I am here I am talking about Titanic again but there's that scene in

01:16SPEAKERTitanic where all the one once once the collision has happened and the boiler

01:20SPEAKERrooms are all being flooded and I guess they had what were for the time pretty

01:23SPEAKERnew electrical doors yeah like watertight doors that would seal as

01:28SPEAKERthose compartments flooded and there's that scene of the guy doing exactly what

01:32SPEAKERyou're talking about and his leg gets through about a microsecond before it

01:36SPEAKERwould have just been a lopped off and I listen to the historian commentary track

01:41SPEAKERooh they have they have like the James Cameron commentary track the actors one

01:46SPEAKERyou know what I mean yeah the producers blah blah blah but they have the one

01:48SPEAKERheyday of commentary yes yes but came out on DVD yes but there there is one of

01:53SPEAKERthe commentary tracks is the two historians who were the historians on

01:56SPEAKERthe production ooh and one of them flat-out says yes people lost limbs to

02:01SPEAKERthese kinds of doors on a frequent basis well look if every disclaimer every

02:07SPEAKERwarning label on a consumer product in the 21st century it represents a loss of

02:12SPEAKERlife limb or personal injury lawsuit like think about think about that that

02:18SPEAKERyou know that mechanism that keeps the elevator door from chopping your arm off

02:21SPEAKERoh no oh no think think it look that didn't get there that wasn't developed

02:26SPEAKERthat wasn't developed out of the goodness of people's hearts that was

02:30SPEAKERdeveloped as a straight response to capitalism I mean now I need to go watch

02:34SPEAKERTotal Recall again I mean look I'm just waiting for the Resident Evil laser

02:39SPEAKERgrids to come out because then that's what that's the real bad tech with the

02:43SPEAKERway look it is it is too early both in the morning and in this podcast for such

02:48SPEAKERgrim material although granted it's damn near Halloween but it's technology it is

02:53SPEAKERthank you okay sure yes yeah fine elevator doorstoppers that's technology

02:59SPEAKERthis is what people are paying for just grizzly depictions of okay so when I was

03:06SPEAKERa kid and we only had the town that we lived in had maybe three elevators that

03:10SPEAKERwere accessible to normal humans right like there were a couple in the mall

03:14SPEAKERokay not a lot of two-story buildings that's okay you know what that's fair

03:17SPEAKERnow that you mentioned it and when I think back on my upbringing yeah you're

03:21SPEAKERright a lot of a lot of one-story structures yeah like the mall was two

03:25SPEAKERstories and there were a couple elevators through three four elevators

03:28SPEAKERspread throughout there so that people could get up and down if they couldn't

03:31SPEAKERuse the stairs of the escalator but for the most part like elevators were an

03:36SPEAKERunusual occurrence and the one in Belk's that was glass was a very exciting

03:40SPEAKERmoment like when you go in the Belk's glass elevator it was it was very cool

03:45SPEAKERbut I distinctly remember my mom telling me as I as the door was closing we were

03:50SPEAKERcloser I was like gonna jam my arm into the gap to stop the elevator door and

03:54SPEAKERopening cuz I thought that that mechanism was really cool she was like

03:57SPEAKERdon't ever stick your arm into an elevator like that she knew but that's

04:02SPEAKERthe New York thing right like that's like a New York New York some young

04:07SPEAKERgo-getter in New York trying to get the last spot in the elevator just jams

04:10SPEAKERtheir arm in let's talk about something else

04:16SPEAKERFriday morning let's talk about something besides losing limbs okay the

04:25SPEAKERinscription talk for the end of the show that's right any spoilers right we were

04:28SPEAKERjust talking about inscription before this book speaking of losing things boy

04:32SPEAKERwe rolled in here with a plan and I have completely forgotten all of it I think

04:36SPEAKERI think what we have we had an excess of cues we definitely have a lot of cues

04:40SPEAKERI'm sitting here looking at him right now there's a bunch of good ones there's

04:43SPEAKERsome good ones yeah here's a good one okay we'll just do some cue okay what

04:47SPEAKERare we doing here we're doing good we're going to do some cues let's do some cues

04:49SPEAKERmake them into A's hang on hang on I gotta open up my embouchure I gotta like

04:53SPEAKERoh yeah you did your vocal cords massage the vocal the vocal folds did you get

04:59SPEAKERdid you get there how's it like did let okay so Brad you've been doing both

05:03SPEAKERvoice therapies when I'm getting here started the started my voice therapy yeah

05:06SPEAKERis it helping I think so I had my second one and he was like he was like okay you

05:12SPEAKERneed to make sure you keep doing this every day even when it seems like it's

05:16SPEAKERnot doing anything for a while like it took about two or three weeks for me to

05:20SPEAKERokay like really feel anything he'd excuse me see I'm not supposed to do

05:24SPEAKERthat was supposed to clear my throat that was like number one do not clear

05:27SPEAKERyour throat like swallow fine do anything drink water anything you can do

05:31SPEAKERto not clear throat but yeah but also he was very upfront about yes these

05:35SPEAKERexercises are ridiculous and it might seem like they are not doing anything

05:39SPEAKERfor a while when I did this a few years ago the thing that struck me a is that I

05:44SPEAKERimmediately learned on the first session which was in person that I really don't

05:48SPEAKERlike having strangers touch my neck interesting I didn't like and it's not

05:54SPEAKERjust touching your neck it's like they're they're finding the gap between

05:57SPEAKERyour larynx and your trachea and then like massaging the muscles that I didn't

06:02SPEAKERknow existed there so that's interesting because mine are all over zoom for

06:06SPEAKERobvious reasons and at first I was like man am I getting shortchanged am I not

06:09SPEAKERgetting the full therapeutic benefit here by not going in and seeing the

06:13SPEAKERperson but now that you put it that way maybe it's best it's look the lady who

06:17SPEAKERdid the voice therapy with me the the therapist was awesome she was very nice

06:21SPEAKERshe was very kind she had she was very like accommodating and gentle but like

06:26SPEAKERthe at the end of that by the end of that first session I was like she was

06:30SPEAKERlike hey are you okay because I looked like I was about to have a panic attack

06:32SPEAKERbecause literally like do you have a stranger grabbing your larynx yeah like

06:37SPEAKERhaving somebody wrap their hand around but at least part of your throat is

06:40SPEAKERmaybe a little bit of a panic inducing thing and like as as she said like the

06:44SPEAKERreal downside of these acts some of these exercises if you push in the wrong

06:47SPEAKERplace then you can like cut off blood supply to your brain make yourself pass

06:50SPEAKERout and stuff like that you know be careful be careful out there yeah so but

06:56SPEAKERit took a while for it to work I've been keeping up with the the the neck Euler

07:00SPEAKERmuscle most of the neck Euler yeah at the word for things in the neck but the

07:03SPEAKERmuscle massaging is easy to keep up with yeah I've been doing the blowing bubbles

07:09SPEAKERthrough a straw thing pretty regularly I know you didn't get that one I didn't

07:12SPEAKERget that one I got the interesting under chin like that's your chin I have not

07:17SPEAKERbeen doing a great job keeping up with the tongue stretches like the tongue

07:24SPEAKERstretches hey like I don't want to see that much of my tongue I had to do it in

07:30SPEAKERfront of the mirror to do it right for a while so here's the best part because

07:33SPEAKERI'm doing it over zoom and they can't like help me do it properly in person

07:37SPEAKERyeah I'm getting to see a lot of my speech pathologists tongue oh that's

07:42SPEAKERgreat he's demonstrating for me over and over so I'm getting to see like the full

07:48SPEAKERuvula experience there was a lot of demonstrating even when you were in

07:53SPEAKERperson and you know what if I was rating things that I'm uncomfortable with like

07:59SPEAKERhaving having gone through the whole fertility gamut before our daughter was

08:02SPEAKERborn let's see on a scale of 1 to 10 the testicular inspection in front of a room

08:11SPEAKERof medical students hmm that's number one on the discomfort list wow the

08:16SPEAKERtesticular ultrasound number two on the discomfort list that one was like you're

08:22SPEAKERin the fun room where you get to see the baby for the first time on the

08:25SPEAKERultrasound except for it's just you and a person that ultrasound technician in

08:30SPEAKERthere who's like just jamming your your your your boys with the ultrasound wand

08:35SPEAKERthat was bad having the throat touched right like constantly and regularly over

08:41SPEAKERan hour-long session that's number three it's right up there and then

08:45SPEAKERsurprisingly when she was like yanking my tongue out of my mouth that was less

08:48SPEAKERbad I was okay with that one man it's it's tricky it's technical you gotta make

08:52SPEAKERsure you gotta get you want the stretch to feel you want to feel the stretch in

08:55SPEAKERthe back of the tongue you don't want to pull the frenulum yeah don't pull the

08:58SPEAKERfront it's like well so my problems cut never been what yeah I this is a thing

09:06SPEAKERthat they did if you had trouble I like I don't remember why it was done it was

09:14SPEAKERdone when I was a baby before maybe through nursing or eating or something I

09:18SPEAKERcan't remember okay so you have no memory of it happening no memory of that

09:20SPEAKERokay I don't have a frenulum and then the little the little I mean it's still

09:25SPEAKERthere I guess but it just does it doesn't do anything the other one that I

09:28SPEAKERdon't have is I had to have gum surgery when I was young so you know the little

09:32SPEAKERpiece of skin that holds the bottom of your lip to your gums I have two of

09:36SPEAKERthose because it was cut and then they grew back separately instead of together

09:40SPEAKERwhat man mmm mouth-to-mouth stuff is gross that's the TLDR I started at least

09:46SPEAKERat least a heels fast I started to say like having the frenulum cut and kind of

09:50SPEAKERsounds liberating actually that's just like extra tongue flexibility you'd

09:53SPEAKERthink but it doesn't really there's not really any I like I can't stick my tongue

09:57SPEAKERout further I can't roll my tongue I can't do anything cool I'm trying so

10:01SPEAKERhard not to clear my throat right now what do I do have a sip of water I I can't

10:05SPEAKERnot do it sorry I'm knocking on you Brad I'm turning you in man did you have the

10:12SPEAKERchance to opt out of the group of medical students observing your

10:17SPEAKERexamination I can imagine that there might be some pressure there to be cool

10:21SPEAKERand not opt out of it so my general policy at the doctor is that if the box

10:27SPEAKERexcite go to UCSF doctors fairly regularly my main GP is a UCSF doctor so

10:34SPEAKERlike he refers me to UCSF people and their students at the UCF they like just

10:38SPEAKERpart of the deal you get really good doctors but often their students of

10:41SPEAKERcourse my general policy is I always just check the box without thinking about

10:46SPEAKERit and when I went to the fertility clinic to the urologist I didn't really

10:51SPEAKERconsider the full implications of that and like I saw the the attending the

10:57SPEAKERfirst who was like the who was like a not a not a intern but a you know after

11:05SPEAKERbefore you're a real full doctor all the way doc after your doctor but before

11:08SPEAKERyou're like done with your training when you're doing specialist training you're

11:12SPEAKERa sort of resident resident yes I saw the resident or maybe even a post like

11:18SPEAKERput like a person doing their like post residency and she was awesome and she

11:23SPEAKERwas like okay this all looks good blah blah blah blah I she's like I'm gonna go

11:27SPEAKERget I'm gonna go get the doctor and have him take a look too I was like okay

11:30SPEAKERthat's fine and the doctor comes in and like up until this point everything's

11:36SPEAKERperfectly normal like gloves the whole thing

11:40SPEAKERI don't know if you've ever been to the urologist but like there's a there's a

11:43SPEAKERlike you're usually standing okay and then the doctors are low either on a

11:48SPEAKERchair or like a knee knee thing or something so they're like at eye level

11:52SPEAKERwith the business yes and I can't believe it I don't think I don't I don't

11:57SPEAKERthink I've ever told this story before publicly also so this is that you're

12:00SPEAKERwelcome patrons so I'm standing there he comes in the first time I've met the guy

12:06SPEAKERhe's like hey do you mind if some students come in and it's a little room

12:11SPEAKERthere's like a mirror on the room I'm like ice or he's do you mind if some

12:14SPEAKERstudents observe and I was like oh there's a mirror under the room it's

12:16SPEAKERprobably like to a glass one way glasses let's go into like another room they'll

12:19SPEAKERlook through the fuck no it's like it's like a seven foot wide observation like

12:24SPEAKERroom that's wide enough for a bed and a stool and a couple of chair a chair and

12:29SPEAKERlike some cabinets and it seemed like a fucking clown car worth of like what

12:34SPEAKERappeared to be like preteen mostly women walk in boy so they're like they're like

12:40SPEAKERthey're all like 22 years old or 23 years old or something and I'm standing

12:44SPEAKERthere with my pants about to take my pants off again the doctor is like and

12:49SPEAKERI'm like oh wow this is a I'm thinking this is a lot right so he's like okay

12:55SPEAKERdrop your pants and I pull my pants down and he doesn't put fucking gloves on

12:59SPEAKERwhat right that sounds like malpractice to me look look what the fuck I mean

13:07SPEAKERit's all sealed there's no fluid transfer I know but still also like a

13:13SPEAKERlittle bit of the impersonality of the gloves might have been nice there it's

13:16SPEAKERso easy to put gloves on anyway man that was that was just like crap Gina was in

13:25SPEAKERthe lobby waiting for me there cuz we you know we would done it like the full

13:28SPEAKERround that day and she got done first and she came back and she's like oh how

13:32SPEAKERwas it like dude you have like like I know that women's doctor like women's

13:38SPEAKERdoctor stuff is often awful and impersonal and and and like like I get

13:43SPEAKERit but Jiminy Christmas 20 people when I'm when I'm like 20 people inspecting

13:48SPEAKERthe junk and the doctor me like it take a look at this this is like at least she

13:54SPEAKERdidn't like get ready to feel anything so that was that was that was good she

13:58SPEAKERwas she was very confused why her husband was oozing out of the elevator

14:02SPEAKERin the form of a puddle I think I think about it before I check the box now is

14:06SPEAKERthe big TLDR that I could see that was it really like 20 people cheese it look

14:10SPEAKERit was probably like seven but it felt like I'm you know what I mean it's like

14:13SPEAKERone of those things where you're like oh my brain doesn't know what to do with

14:17SPEAKERthis this is bad there's a billion ways I could make this much worse so I'm just

14:20SPEAKERgonna not say anything and try not to think about this too much and then we'll

14:23SPEAKERbe done I just I keep picturing like the like toward the end of some like very

14:28SPEAKERmacabre kind of game like inside or something like yeah you're in this

14:32SPEAKERsterile medical environment and all of a sudden would just out of nowhere right

14:36SPEAKERafter you drop your pants but they flourish the doctor waves his arm and

14:39SPEAKERthe curtain drops look and there are two dozen two dozen 20-somethings staring at

14:46SPEAKERyou so so like I had to go I had to go to a different specialist once and they

14:51SPEAKERhad like the observation room so it was like it was like a little it was like a

14:55SPEAKERpolice lineup room or something right so there's like a big glass one-way mirror

14:59SPEAKERon one wall and the students went in the other room that was fine like like

15:04SPEAKERhonestly if you're not if the room had been slightly larger like the if the if

15:10SPEAKERthe observer if the if the you know the room where they where the doctor saw me

15:14SPEAKERwould have been like not nine feet by 12 feet or something would have been a

15:18SPEAKERlittle bit it would have been okay if the students had been in there already

15:23SPEAKERwhen I came in that might have been okay I like it wasn't like I don't feel

15:29SPEAKERviolated or anything it wasn't bad it was just unexpected and profoundly weird

15:32SPEAKERyeah I think the only tactic there for me is you just have to tell yourself I

15:37SPEAKERwill never see any of these people again yeah except it's not the biggest city so

15:42SPEAKERyou might well and also the the weirdest thing about the whole deal was that I

15:47SPEAKERfelt like I was at least 20 years older than all of them maybe combined I feel

15:53SPEAKERlike that would make it better cuz like at that point like who are you trying to

15:56SPEAKERimpress right like you have no social connection to these people and never

16:00SPEAKERwill it's like you're never gonna see them at a party like I worked I worked

16:04SPEAKERyou know I I almost what I was on track to go to med school I don't know if you

16:09SPEAKERknow this oh but yeah like I was gonna go to med what's this what the fuck is

16:13SPEAKERthis we're supposed to answer questions anyway questions yeah but I like I like

16:18SPEAKERgot to my junior year in high school was supposed to shadow a doctor for the

16:20SPEAKERsummer and I did that and I was like oh this is fucking terrible I don't want to

16:23SPEAKERdo this and I suddenly found myself with this biochemistry degree not knowing

16:27SPEAKERwhat I wanted to do with my life at age 24 or 23 and that's when I started

16:35SPEAKERwriting for ours yeah and they're like all these all these seminary students

16:38SPEAKERare writing about computers I guess I get in on that yeah there you go alright

16:43SPEAKERsome cues of days yeah okay let me see here I had a good one and I scrolled

16:48SPEAKERright past it oh no where did it go where did it go you know what courtesy

16:57SPEAKERof ENT there's a good question at the very end of this thing so I'm so scroll

17:00SPEAKERall the way down okay it's kind of a long one alongside the recent DNS

17:08SPEAKERoutages across several companies and networks there's been a lot of the old

17:12SPEAKERcliche about okay I'm not sure if he like if there's an autocorrect thing

17:16SPEAKERhere I'm not quite clear on the meaning of this phrase but there's been a lot of

17:20SPEAKERthe old cliche about software ending a miracle and held together with string I

17:24SPEAKERthink it's needing a miracle needing a miracle ship yeah okay okay that being

17:29SPEAKERheld together with or software being a miracle and helping a miracle that was

17:32SPEAKERwhat I thought yeah I think that might be an autocorrect anyway this this is

17:35SPEAKERthanks thanks Android thanks algorithms the meaning is clear yeah I can tell you

17:42SPEAKERthat there is rock-solid software in the world that doesn't fall apart it's just

17:45SPEAKERboring and there's no news in stuff not falling apart the downside is that it's

17:50SPEAKERexpensive takes ages to develop and often looks fugly how many features

17:54SPEAKERwould you give up to have a rock-solid service if the internet still looked like

17:58SPEAKER1999 but never fell over would you take it oh I mean this feels like a loaded

18:06SPEAKERquestion because even without the like perfect stability he's proposing I would

18:11SPEAKERstill take the internet of 1999 again if I could because that would that would

18:15SPEAKERdelete let's say 15 years of social ruination those come about through the

18:21SPEAKERcurrent yeah like I feel like ours technically did a really good thing a

18:26SPEAKERcouple years ago about how NASA writes software specifically in terms of like

18:32SPEAKERthe the I the space shuttle control software and you know they like like the

18:39SPEAKERstuff that can't fail right and then also like to the point that that it and

18:46SPEAKERalso just to be clear there's stuff like this in airplanes and power grid and

18:50SPEAKERwater systems and control systems for all this other stuff but like the NASA

18:55SPEAKERstuff was especially interesting because like it had to be relatively fast and

18:59SPEAKERredundant and failover instantly and not fail so they had like multiple

19:04SPEAKERcontractors write the same software they ran the software on redundant computers

19:09SPEAKERthey had one computer that was a different computer than all the other

19:11SPEAKERcomputers and all of those are constantly checking against each other

19:15SPEAKERand if the vote like if three if multiples disagree with each other then

19:20SPEAKERthen they they had failover procedures for that situation too oh that's cool so

19:26SPEAKERlike it's it's um we should we should that would be a good guest episode is to

19:31SPEAKERget the person who wrote that article maybe in and track them down it might

19:35SPEAKERhave been Eric or Kyle or something I love to talk about that I mean you know

19:39SPEAKERlike NASA over time has had a decent amount of you know catastrophic failure

19:45SPEAKERand loss of life but you never hear about it being due to software it's

19:48SPEAKERalways mechanical generally well it's um we talked about this of the Facebook

19:52SPEAKERthing but it's about the the no blame the no blame postmortems right like like

19:58SPEAKERwhen the Facebook thing happened it didn't happen because if somebody

20:02SPEAKERpressed the wrong button it happened because there was a failure in the

20:05SPEAKERinfrastructure and institutional failure in the institution yeah well yes yes and

20:10SPEAKERno but I mean like with the Challenger disaster I mean somebody pushed to go

20:13SPEAKERahead with that launch even though the other conditions were risky right well

20:16SPEAKERthat that's it but that's a failure in this decision there were people there

20:18SPEAKERwas like there was a Morton Thiokol engineer who literally went to his grave

20:22SPEAKERknowing that he could have stopped that and and tried to stop it and they didn't

20:26SPEAKERlisten to him right so so that at that point that becomes an institutional

20:30SPEAKERfailure because they had engineers saying hey this is not a safe to go sure

20:33SPEAKERand at some point along the chain that message didn't get passed upward listen

20:37SPEAKERto yeah yeah that makes sense that that methodology sounds fascinating the kind

20:41SPEAKERof massive massive multiple redundancy kind of thing like I've I wish I had a

20:46SPEAKERbetter source for this but I have read similar things about the way the

20:49SPEAKERManhattan Project was run okay yeah they had multiple teams running independently

20:53SPEAKERright so yes but in that case it was because they were just trying to get it

20:56SPEAKERdone as fast as possible right because there were concerns about other factions

20:59SPEAKERworking on the same research yeah but the thing I've read is that you know

21:03SPEAKERthis was like barely explored science at that point right like in fact I want to

21:08SPEAKERsay like I think fission big fission itself was only discovered in the late

21:13SPEAKER30s fission was replicated in the lab in the late 30s we knew it could happen but

21:17SPEAKERnot like in our reaction yes kind of like that whole sequence of events was

21:22SPEAKERonly demonstrated like four or five years before they finished the bomb but

21:26SPEAKERalso this is a cherry topic but specifically what I've read is that

21:31SPEAKERbecause they were solving all this stuff as they went every time they hit a

21:35SPEAKERproblem where it seemed like there could be more than one solution they forked

21:39SPEAKERthe project and tried all solutions simultaneously yeah and that is why we

21:45SPEAKERended up with two like fairly different bomb designs that happened

21:48SPEAKERsimultaneously right like both worked yeah like like fat man and a little boy

21:52SPEAKERare different types of bombs and it's because there were multiple valid routes

21:57SPEAKERto this to this conclusion well they're different mechanisms the bomb effect is

22:01SPEAKERstill yeah the nuclear mechanism for the bomb working is still the same but it's

22:05SPEAKERlike the mechanism for making that happening is different sadly the end

22:09SPEAKERresult is definitely still the same but yes I mean yeah that's what I mean the

22:11SPEAKERaction inside yeah the way it's carried out is different well I would I would

22:15SPEAKERthat setting aside the very grim nature of nuclear weapons like just from a

22:22SPEAKERmethodological standpoint that's that kind of stuff is fascinating to me well

22:26SPEAKERwe've had our friend Phil Broughton also known as fine radium labs also known as

22:30SPEAKERthe black blood of the earth guy yeah on the list to have on the shows yes we

22:35SPEAKERliterally were booking him when the pandemic started and we stopped being

22:37SPEAKERable to record in person so as soon as we can get back and record in the same

22:41SPEAKERspace at some point we'll we'll get Phil on to talk about that because he's he is

22:45SPEAKERa radiation safety person and has all of the good hey I fucked up and now I'm

22:53SPEAKERirradiated stories some of them are very grim some of them are very funny and

22:57SPEAKERsome of them are grim and funny simultaneously wait are these all

23:01SPEAKERsituations with him being irradiated or or other people no no they're they're

23:04SPEAKERlike the way one of the ways you you learn from history when you do that job

23:10SPEAKERit seems like a lot rather than learning in practice because practice has some

23:13SPEAKERreal cost have you ever heard of the demon core yeah was that was was the

23:19SPEAKERdemon core the one with the screwdriver incident or screwdriver one was

23:22SPEAKERdifferent that was this that was one of the that was a pile the demon core is

23:32SPEAKERthe one where they where the guy the screwdriver slipped out and it smacked

23:35SPEAKERtogether and went critical yes and blasted everybody in the room like I

23:38SPEAKERthink everyone that was in that room died well eventually let me see okay so

23:43SPEAKERI've got here the pile was when they dropped to the radioactive material into

23:48SPEAKERthe into the pile of radioactive shit and that went bad okay unsurprisingly I'll

23:52SPEAKERput it this way on the on the demon core Wikipedia page there are sections

23:56SPEAKERentitled first incident and second incident yeah look those can tell us all

24:01SPEAKERsorts of stories there's a reason nothing was called the demon core I

24:03SPEAKERsuppose do you know about the this the third Manhattan project team that wasn't

24:10SPEAKERgiven classified information no so they they they paid a group of scientists who

24:17SPEAKERdidn't have access to any any private information to see how long it would

24:21SPEAKERtake them to build and after knowing that an atom bomb existed how long it

24:25SPEAKERwould take them to develop the process for making an atom bomb work from first

24:29SPEAKERprinciples rather than having the classified information that they

24:32SPEAKERdeveloped during the course of the Manhattan project it took like three

24:34SPEAKERyears really in the 50s 40s late 40s early 50s faster oh were they were they

24:38SPEAKERjust trying to gauge how fast other countries could really get there yeah

24:42SPEAKERexactly and that's when all the non-proliferation stuff so that's when

24:46SPEAKERthat movement started hey we should stop or else every country's gonna have these

24:51SPEAKERand eventually one of them will you know it delayed the the problem that we had

24:56SPEAKERwhen the Soviet Union broke up by 30 years years yeah I've read I think the

25:02SPEAKERSoviet Union only got the bomb when they did because of smuggled secrets I

25:07SPEAKERbelieve is what I've understood I listen to a hardcore history about nuclear

25:12SPEAKERweapons and about specifically about a lot of the scientists who very quickly

25:18SPEAKERturned on the idea later and later in life and how little like how like

25:22SPEAKERtragically little traction they got with politicians and trying to trying to

25:26SPEAKERsuppress or dampen that stuff well you know to fight the Reds Brad was it

25:31SPEAKEROppenheimer spent the rest of his life atoning for his crime he was he was the

25:35SPEAKERone who really took the hard turn I mean look he the Exploratorium exists as part

25:40SPEAKERof his his hey I've got to make the world better for the thing that I've

25:43SPEAKERdone plan they're really getting higher was one of the initial founders of the

25:48SPEAKERof the Exploratorium I did not know that yeah that's crazy

25:52SPEAKERmeanwhile von Braun was a fucking former Nazi you know look yes the Russians

26:02SPEAKERdidn't get that like we picked the former Nazis we want wanted I look I

26:06SPEAKERcan't even I can't even make a joke about that it's fucking bad anyway okay

26:10SPEAKERsorry I mean you know it is the Halloween patron episode mm-hmm whoa

26:16SPEAKERnuclear annihilation it's it's scary we on the Simpsons rewatch with the kiddo

26:24SPEAKERthe treehouse of horror ones she's skittish about horror because of some

26:27SPEAKERbad experiences and roblox mm-hmm but she is the treehouse of horrors have

26:33SPEAKERbecome a favorite we got to the oh yeah got to the we got to the monkey's paw oh

26:36SPEAKERare you they were we started the beginning this is the second time on a

26:40SPEAKERpodcast this week I've talked about treehouse of horror but so that's

26:43SPEAKERinteresting because on on the ramble cast on next later this week we were

26:47SPEAKERtalking about how those early ones all harken back to or parody like really

26:52SPEAKERawesome classic horror you know it's like it's all like Twilight Zone

26:56SPEAKERepisodes and The Shining and the Raven Hitchcock and and Edgar Allen Poe yeah

27:03SPEAKERall that stuff like classics of the genre right and then like George Romero

27:07SPEAKERand yes exactly and then the recent ones are like they're parodying like Toy

27:11SPEAKERStory and tick-tock and like it's just I think you've kind of lost the plot here

27:16SPEAKERa little bit I mean look so I haven't regularly watched Simpsons in a long

27:21SPEAKERtime I I'll be interested to see how long the interest in watching Simpsons

27:26SPEAKERlasts in the house with my guess is yeah like if we get to the tenth season I'll

27:31SPEAKERbe kind of impressed we usually watch like an episode or two a night well so

27:34SPEAKERactually I started to say like on the one hand it's interesting to hear that

27:37SPEAKERshe is interested in those treehouse of horrors that reference stuff that came

27:40SPEAKERout like you know half a century before she was even born or more than that it

27:44SPEAKERlike she really liked the Raven for what it's worth well so that's the thing

27:47SPEAKERthough as I say that it makes me think back to like you know that's how I

27:51SPEAKERlearned about a lot of old stuff was reading the giant stack of mad magazines

27:55SPEAKERfrom the 70s that my cousin had yep and it's like that's the only reason I knew

28:00SPEAKERwhat Watergate was as an eight-year-old was that I was reading old issues of mad

28:05SPEAKERthat parodied it you know my favorite 30 rock joke is when Liz Lemon is trying to

28:11SPEAKERimpress Jack Donaghy you know Jack Donaghy's girlfriend and flight of the

28:16SPEAKERValkyries comes on I think she's like oh you like Wagner and she's like oh no I'm

28:20SPEAKERactually a big Looney Tunes fan that's pretty good so true did we even answer

28:27SPEAKERIan's actual question yeah I would take that would we take 1999 internet that

28:33SPEAKERsounds great the one thing I would really have a hard time giving up there

28:36SPEAKERis that the home networking gear that I love so much these days didn't really

28:41SPEAKERexist then like I love the internet of that era the way communities were

28:46SPEAKERarranged and what the general like etiquette and politeness of the internet

28:50SPEAKERwere and like how kind of again less socially harmful it was but like that

28:56SPEAKERwas before routers basically you know like no I had a router in 1999 I'm sure

29:00SPEAKERthree calm yeah yeah really I plugged my ISDN modem into that router and I got

29:06SPEAKERfour I got one Ethernet port out and I had a hub in the in the closet 100% I

29:11SPEAKERran 10 based tea in my house in 1998 wait was it a router or switch come on

29:17SPEAKERBrad it was a router connected to a switch sir okay so you had a firewall I

29:22SPEAKERhad a no I had multiple IP addresses because we did not have it was it was

29:28SPEAKERall it was routing to publicly all of the addresses inside the network were

29:32SPEAKERpublic facing hmm so it was still a router but it was not there was no

29:36SPEAKERnetwork address translation that is the part that was missing I say the the

29:41SPEAKERthing to the thing the other thing that we always have to say when we talk about

29:45SPEAKERthis is that in 1999 the internet was a place for rich white people mostly church

29:52SPEAKERlike you know yeah at least middle-class you know yeah I mean yet if you had a

29:59SPEAKERcomputer in like 1998 97 you were pretty well off I think yes you had a fair

30:04SPEAKERamount of disposable that's true but I'm thinking back I was just reading about

30:07SPEAKERthis the other day that remember things like AOL and prodigy ended up becoming

30:11SPEAKERISPs so that's true that stuff had been democratized to a certain degree yeah I

30:18SPEAKERmean in AOL you'd get a disk with infinite free minutes or whatever every

30:21SPEAKERnight right like there were definitely there were ways to get internet access

30:24SPEAKEReven at that point that we're not super burdensome anyway did you ever play

30:30SPEAKERmagic bread no either I'll skip that question then not an ironically not a

30:35SPEAKERcard guy hmm I like Dominion and the games that kind of spun off of magic

30:40SPEAKERthat make it more accessible and not about collecting cards but never played

30:45SPEAKERmagic I could see that um goodness gracious can we do this double j

30:50SPEAKERquestion you might have to oh there it is I want to hear about your favorite

30:55SPEAKERboard games oh I see that was I'm not I'd I hate to be a big dole blood wet

30:59SPEAKERblanket I'm just not a big board game I'm a big board game person person Gina

31:04SPEAKERand I play board games once or twice a week usually what do you got right now

31:09SPEAKERtwo-player games we're playing a lot of Azul I mean it's a multi it's more than

31:12SPEAKERtwo players but it's great with two players that's that's a drive it's gonna

31:15SPEAKERsay like I I don't even think of board games as a two-player thing I always

31:19SPEAKERthink of them as like oh we need a lease to if not for more people to come over

31:23SPEAKERto actually make this good no no okay okay Brad I know what I'm getting you

31:27SPEAKERfor Christmas first okay um the the the one of the things that the Germans have

31:33SPEAKERdone well is board games and one of the things that the the the profusion of

31:39SPEAKERGerman your style euro board games it has created a whole sub-genre of games

31:46SPEAKERthat are awesome for two players including some that are like two players

31:48SPEAKERonly so like there's a game called seven wonders it's a fabulous intro German

31:54SPEAKERboard game there's a game called seven wonders duel that takes the kind of core

31:58SPEAKERmechanical loop of seven wonders and makes it makes it work with two players

32:02SPEAKERit's it is one of my absolute favorites Azul is like a tile placement game so

32:07SPEAKERyou're making patterns basically on this board and the scoring is math math it's

32:13SPEAKERvery mathy it's it's like and it is a great two-player game we just started

32:20SPEAKERplaying Jaipur which is another like designed for two players game that's

32:25SPEAKERawesome really fun and let's see the last thing that was recommended by Nick

32:30SPEAKERSuttner and Doug Wilson on Twitter the other day that we just got and have

32:34SPEAKERplayed like twice is called lost cities and it's a it's it's it almost the thing

32:41SPEAKERthat's neat about it is if you like playing like bidding card games like

32:44SPEAKERspades or bridge or hearts or something like that where you kind of have to say

32:48SPEAKERokay I'm gonna get this many tricks and your partner has to play off of that and

32:51SPEAKERSam to get this many tricks it kind of takes that mechanic and puts it in a

32:55SPEAKERgame that you could that you play with two people in a way that's interesting

32:58SPEAKERso yeah those are those are my we also play a lot of splendor and machi coro

33:02SPEAKERcheese there's a lot of games look I'm gonna go and tell you we I have to put

33:07SPEAKERanother shelf in here for fucking board games because we have it becomes a

33:11SPEAKERproblem but but board games are great love board games okay sorry I'm in a

33:19SPEAKERdaze here there's so many questions there are a lot of you the other the

33:22SPEAKERother problem or the real reason I pause there is that I just came across a

33:24SPEAKERquestion that I really wish we had taken on the real episode this week because

33:27SPEAKERthey included a picture and I really wanted to use that picture as the

33:31SPEAKERepisode heart I mean we could record it here and then I could just cut it in

33:34SPEAKERseamlessly because I haven't edited the episode we could do that it's the one

33:38SPEAKERabout the robot named Marty

33:43SPEAKERWow do you see it yeah I see it it's BTM McNellis that picture is a little bit

33:48SPEAKERdystopian like it literally looks like something out of a dystopian future like

33:52SPEAKERminor Minority Report type movie let's just save it for next month okay all

33:59SPEAKERright well crap now we've teased it and now we're not gonna well we can do it

34:03SPEAKERhere people can hear it twice let's sit on it okay then and then promptly forget

34:08SPEAKERit next month if we don't if we don't do it next month send it again because yes

34:14SPEAKERokay how about Steve the you talk about the steam deck one briefly I talked

34:22SPEAKERabout that Jay Marshall do either of you plan on getting a steam deck also do you

34:26SPEAKERthink the deck form factor will catch on in the larger PC landscape I do not I

34:30SPEAKERhave I am NOT a portable video games person unless like absolutely necessary

34:36SPEAKERand I love laying in bed and playing a game I can't my hands always go numb

34:40SPEAKERlike I can't ever I don't know if it's because I use computers too much and I

34:43SPEAKERhave too much nerve damage but I can never find a position lying down holding

34:47SPEAKERsomething like a switch where my hands don't just start tingling after five or

34:51SPEAKERten minutes do you have the grips for the switch no you got to get the grips

34:54SPEAKERman mmm they're like 15 bucks the grips make holding the switch possible I'm

35:01SPEAKERinterested in this like I could hold a Wii U controller indefinitely because it

35:04SPEAKERhad those little grippy things on the bottom the nugget the edges yeah there's

35:09SPEAKERa $15 I mean there's a whole bunch of them now at the time I got our switch we

35:13SPEAKERgot a $15 thing that just kind of clips on to the back and you take it off when

35:17SPEAKERyou put it in the in the in the slot and it has like it's just a little grabby

35:23SPEAKERthings like little little little I don't know they're round and they're curvy and

35:28SPEAKERyou can grip on to them pretty easily the dangle off the back of the switch

35:32SPEAKERand and and I can hold it indefinitely with that thing on having to hold the

35:36SPEAKERthin thing was really uncomfortable I ordered a steam deck partly because my

35:42SPEAKERdaughter plays a fair number of PC games and I would like to not have to have a

35:46SPEAKERfull PC setup for her to play that stuff sure and partly because I like to lay in

35:52SPEAKERbed and play games so yeah I don't know I mean I'm interested I hope it does

35:58SPEAKERwell for him I mean I mean it's like I suspect it will be huge you know like

36:03SPEAKERthe the pre-order situation just like was off to the races instantly yeah and

36:07SPEAKERlike pee up and you know unlike me most people do seem to like portable stuff

36:12SPEAKERwell you know like it is a very popular thing like that like laying around in

36:17SPEAKERyour house playing on a portable thing apparently is gigantic well but also

36:21SPEAKERlike the idea of being able to like if I was if I was doing a train commute still

36:24SPEAKERand be able to play Hades or something on my train commute that sounds freakin

36:27SPEAKERawesome yes like I distinctly wonder if the steam deck is gonna bite into

36:32SPEAKERNintendo's whole thing kind of significantly yeah I feel I feel like a

36:37SPEAKERlot of my switch use over the last year was playing indie games that I already

36:40SPEAKERhad on steam like like the when when Hades and Spelunky added save state

36:47SPEAKERsyncing across switch and steam that was a huge deal for me yeah for sure I just

36:53SPEAKERgod I just realized that on like no later than day two of the steam deck

36:57SPEAKERbeing available people are gonna get Yuzu and Ryujinx the switch emulator is

37:01SPEAKERrunning on that thing yeah and if that thing runs switch games better than the

37:05SPEAKERswitch yeah GG Nintendo well so then the other thing about it is if you have good

37:13SPEAKERWi-Fi and a gaming PC in your house being able to stream across the Wi-Fi to

37:18SPEAKERthe to the to the steam link yeah steam deck yeah is complete like I use steam

37:24SPEAKERLee I've steam links on all the PCs or the app depending on the box and I we do

37:29SPEAKERthat a lot let's let's get like we play ultimate chicken horse even in the

37:33SPEAKERliving room on the steam link all the time great you know what I think is the

37:37SPEAKERcoolest feature of the steam deck because I could of course I do is the

37:40SPEAKERidea on stuff no no the idea that you can install any OS you want on it and at

37:44SPEAKERthat point it actually like you could almost see a world where it's like a

37:48SPEAKERportable work device and not a gaming device because like they didn't they

37:52SPEAKERdemonstrated this months ago that like you can straight-up plug it running any

37:57SPEAKEROS and see like mouse keyboard and monitor right yeah like you could put

38:00SPEAKERWindows 10 on that thing and just use it as a mobile it's much smaller than a

38:04SPEAKERlaptop right like it's like a relatively powerful PC that is smaller than a

38:08SPEAKERlaptop and you could kind of use it as a mobile work machine it's like a weird

38:11SPEAKERneat shaped laptop yeah I mean the thing about it is it's not anything super new

38:17SPEAKERbecause there's a ton of like they're they're literally a ton of those yes

38:23SPEAKERtypes of form factors out of China yes all the time totally but like having

38:27SPEAKERhaving somebody who's like I think at this point it's safe to say that valve

38:32SPEAKERis pretty good at like the index has been pretty good they've had some

38:36SPEAKERproblems with controllers and stuff off and on but they've been pretty good

38:39SPEAKERabout supporting them and even though nobody bought the steam controllers or

38:42SPEAKERsteam links those both have been like the steam link has been really reliable

38:46SPEAKERlike I have like I said two or three of them and they've all been where they've

38:49SPEAKERbeen working for years for me and are pretty good so we have I have a related

38:53SPEAKERquestion here yes another cue that follows on from this it comes in from

38:58SPEAKERlet's see me oh hi Brad it turns out so I have a steam link in the closet I have

39:05SPEAKERnever used it I bought it for ten bucks when they were clearing them out mm-hmm

39:08SPEAKERbut I basically don't have room for it in the living room I don't have enough

39:13SPEAKERI'm out of HDMI ports I'm kind of out of shell space yeah are there other ways to

39:17SPEAKERreplicate the steam link functionality with the devices that I do have hooked

39:21SPEAKERup that I don't need to drag the steam link out for so I don't know if there's

39:26SPEAKERlike a UWP app for Xbox for steam link but like there's an Apple TV app that

39:31SPEAKERI've used that works quite well like official one official one valve Wow yeah

39:36SPEAKERyou can also install moonlight on the Apple TV I believe moonlight is the open

39:42SPEAKERsource client for the Nvidia game stream thing we talked about this a few months

39:44SPEAKERago or a year ago I guess now but yeah I I use the Apple TV one in the living

39:50SPEAKERroom fairly regularly and it seems fine kind of makes me wish we had a Apple TV

39:54SPEAKERwe have a Roku the Roku I I'm I'm I'm it's not like an urgent thing but I'm

40:00SPEAKERgetting rid of we have an old Roku like the third gen one which is like the the

40:04SPEAKERoldest viable Roku okay and the moment that thing goes away I'm switching I

40:08SPEAKERthink to an Apple TV just because all the rest of the options are real added

40:12SPEAKERup now like even like the TV interfaces are real addy if you buy in yes like if

40:17SPEAKERyou buy a new Samsung TV even if you buy the expensive as one it has ads in the

40:21SPEAKERmenu and that just is offensive the amount of ads and also data harvesting

40:25SPEAKERthat modern TVs and set top boxes do is gross yeah so my my intent is to just

40:31SPEAKERbuy a TV and then never hook it up to the network I think good reason good

40:35SPEAKERreason good reason to run a pie hole yeah turns out piles great if you if you

40:40SPEAKERwant to see a bunch of empty ad units instead of ad units with ads in them

40:45SPEAKERwe've got all like we've got I think may have come out with another model since

40:49SPEAKERthen but I think we have the newest Roku it's just the one of the 4k ultra models

40:54SPEAKERyeah but I don't think the steam link and steam link like situation on the

41:01SPEAKERRoku is very robust from what I've seen I'm also surprised that there's not like

41:07SPEAKERa bigger like root your Roku and install whatever you want on their kind of

41:12SPEAKERsituation they collect Roku collects a lot of data I'm probably pretty anti

41:17SPEAKERthat I know but I figured somebody would have busted that thing open by now the

41:23SPEAKERsteam link stuff is on Android TV and the shield TV and stuff like that okay

41:28SPEAKERyou can also do a Raspberry Pi it's let's see it's on LG TVs I think okay

41:33SPEAKERSamsung TVs maybe Sony TVs sounds it sounds like we've just chosen poorly in

41:37SPEAKERterms of the devices that I have in there I have let's see series X ps5 a

41:44SPEAKERRoku a Wii U ooh and a PlayStation 3 in there I I gotta say I don't think any of

41:54SPEAKERthose Roku the other day and was like I mean at the Wii U the other day I was

41:59SPEAKERlike I don't think it was touched the Wii U in like six months at least it

42:03SPEAKERhasn't even plugged in for a year now well well like the kiddo used to play

42:10SPEAKERSuper Mario World fairly regularly but then we like completely beat it and get

42:16SPEAKERthe 96 stars yeah it's like we've finished the secret levels and the whole

42:21SPEAKERthing and I think she's probably done at this point the last thing I saw is a

42:27SPEAKERthread from last September on the Roku channel it says hey we would like steam

42:31SPEAKERlink and moonlight please yeah and then nobody said anything great that would be

42:35SPEAKERgreat but oh well yeah see do you want to do any more questions or you want to

42:41SPEAKERtalk about let's talk about inscription episode planning or inscription can we

42:46SPEAKERtalk about inscription Brad inscription it's pretty good I I I like a slay the

42:53SPEAKERspire like I like a deck building card like Brad you realize that these deck

42:57SPEAKERbuilding card games are basically taking German style board game mechanics and

43:00SPEAKERapplying them to a video game right oh I get it but it's on a screen so I'm

43:04SPEAKERinstantly you know okay okay I'm way more interested um although I think the

43:10SPEAKERcard game is cool and it gets cooler the more you play it in inscription but

43:13SPEAKERthat's really not the thing that makes inscription what it is the thing about

43:18SPEAKERit though is the card game is real good but it is you're right yeah like where

43:21SPEAKERyou play it the better it gets in those were that I played a lot of those where

43:24SPEAKERthe card game is is kind of good or okay and like you I just lose steam on them

43:29SPEAKERafter a while if I don't have to think about the card game a little bit okay

43:33SPEAKERwe should talk about this in a non-spoilery way and then warn people if

43:37SPEAKERthey were gonna do spoilers I guess yeah this is really hard to talk about

43:40SPEAKERbecause I don't even know how far you are and like the further you get into

43:44SPEAKERthat game the more there is to spoil like it's definitely a game that hides a

43:48SPEAKERlot of secrets yeah and the secrets are good like I accidentally spoiled myself

43:53SPEAKERby looking at the twitch category page one day okay for inscription so like

43:59SPEAKERdon't do that I guess I'm tempted and I haven't quite finished it I'm tempted to

44:04SPEAKERask what you saw but okay so I played the game and it looks like a PlayStation

44:12SPEAKERera kind of like like it's like 90 degree turns into 3d yeah energy

44:19SPEAKERcurrently polygons yeah and I I beat three bosses and then some stuff

44:24SPEAKERhappened mm-hmm and then some other stuff happened and now I'm fighting more

44:31SPEAKERbosses there seems like that's where I left off last night in a different place

44:36SPEAKERyeah that looks different place so what's different I wouldn't I don't know

44:41SPEAKERabout that but I mean oh yeah I do know about that but I'm trying to be vague so

44:45SPEAKERas to not you know I see yes things do look different I see okay okay but okay

44:51SPEAKERthe core the core thing that you start with is the card game in this cabin and

44:55SPEAKERit's like part escape room part deck building like slay the spire like and

45:00SPEAKERthe like the soundscape I thought it was a spooky game for Halloween movie

45:06SPEAKERspooky game for Halloween which it is kind of yeah but it's also more than

45:10SPEAKERthat there's there's something about that first part of the game that I have

45:13SPEAKERtried to define in my head and I haven't really come up with a good way to

45:16SPEAKERdescribe it like it's some weird layered like meta skew morphism like yeah here's

45:26SPEAKERhere's like it reminds me of a lot of 90s games well so here's what I'm trying

45:33SPEAKERto get at and this is hard to articulate but okay so the in-game motif is that

45:37SPEAKERyou are sitting at a table there is a physical table that you sit down at and

45:41SPEAKERplay this card game against another character right the game starts with

45:44SPEAKERwith a person loading up a computer well that that's definitely that's that's

45:49SPEAKERthat's the part we might not want to get into too much if we don't spoil okay so

45:54SPEAKERhere's but within the context of this like wouldn't this log cabin you're in

45:58SPEAKERyeah playing this card game against this character the character like the in-game

46:04SPEAKERmotif is never that there is anything going on there except there is a person

46:07SPEAKERon the other end of the table playing this card game against you right it's

46:10SPEAKERlike you have a DM it's like he's a DM playing right you kind of right but the

46:14SPEAKERthing that it does is that it creates this insane level of atmosphere because

46:20SPEAKERhe keeps dragging things onto the table like into the into the frame including

46:25SPEAKERlike putting masks on himself changing his patterns of speech like it's like a

46:32SPEAKERDM would if you were playing a tabletop campaign right so so maybe the best way

46:36SPEAKERto describe it is it's like it's like if it's like if your DM had a bag of

46:39SPEAKERholding next to them and they could pull any prop in the universe out of it and

46:44SPEAKERslap it onto the table like faster than a human should be able to move like like

46:48SPEAKERit creates us even though like in-game the motif is never that you're like away

46:52SPEAKERfrom a table you're always at a table but he's always dragging like branches

46:56SPEAKERor skulls or like you know the air fills with like embers like despite despite

47:03SPEAKERnever being out of this log cabin like the amount of atmosphere that they

47:06SPEAKERcreate and like the sense of transportive like you're in another place

47:09SPEAKERkind of thing is like is mind-blowing it's it's really hard to describe well

47:13SPEAKERand then there's also this escape room layer to that room too where you're in

47:18SPEAKERthis room and there's a bunch of weird props around and you have to kind of

47:21SPEAKERfigure out what to do with them and how to combine that different ways and like

47:23SPEAKERthere's some puzzles to solve and there's some mysteries to unravel and

47:27SPEAKERlike there's a lot going on there it is a yeah like like maybe maybe another

47:32SPEAKERexample what I'm talking about is like one of the you know it's rug like and

47:34SPEAKERlike each node on the board can be a bunch of different random encounters and

47:37SPEAKERthere's the one where there are some survivors around a fire mm-hmm and you

47:42SPEAKERcan like warm one of your cards by the fire to upgrade it yeah but the wording

47:47SPEAKERis always like like you know the survivors beckon you to warm your card

47:51SPEAKERby the fire but you notice one of them can't stop drooling it's like all the

47:55SPEAKERall the side characters have agency even though they don't like one of the things

48:00SPEAKERthat happens is the cards talk to you yes right like like the cards will come

48:05SPEAKERup and be like man that was a terrible move or totally or hey use me for this

48:09SPEAKERone I want this please make me good right so it's like the thing with those

48:13SPEAKERsurvivors for example is they're just wood carvings they are tiny little wood

48:16SPEAKERcarved figurines that's all they are but because of the way they dress the set

48:20SPEAKERfor every encounter in that thing and the way that's written and all that

48:23SPEAKERstuff like there's so much menace in that encounter even though these are

48:27SPEAKERjust little wood figurines like it feels it feels like so much more than the

48:32SPEAKERpresentation actually is a lot of that is the soundscape to like the the sound

48:36SPEAKEReffects and the music like the music is this is a it's very unique because it's

48:41SPEAKERlike this dissonant a harmonious kind of like your brain hears like oh yeah I've

48:48SPEAKERheard this before 90s 90s chiptune stuff like like PlayStation 1 or maybe Dream

48:53SPEAKERcast-air or something I don't know and then all of a sudden like it's just goes

48:57SPEAKERbuck wild and and your brain is just like oh god I'm terrified this is scary

49:02SPEAKERand I don't know why or you know like when you fight the you fight the

49:05SPEAKERprospector boss the percussion is the sound of a pickaxe hitting rocks you

49:09SPEAKERknow yeah like yeah it's just oh man it's just dripping with atmosphere is

49:13SPEAKERincredible the did you

49:20SPEAKERthere's a connection between the people around the fire and your character yes

49:25SPEAKERsir yeah huh huh not at the beginning necessarily but later on interesting

49:32SPEAKERthat's why I think I'm quite a bit further than you but I don't know what

49:35SPEAKERyou're talking about so I might have missed something anyway there's like

49:40SPEAKERyeah like eventually it starts peeling its layers back like you understand you

49:45SPEAKERcome to understand why the cards are talking to you and in fact who those

49:47SPEAKERcards are yeah and like there's there's like multiple there's like three layers

49:51SPEAKERof storytelling in that game it's the I think I'm in the second layer probably

49:55SPEAKERif I had to guess okay okay but I'm not sure which is the fun part about the

50:00SPEAKERlike it's it's been it's weird because it's a game that's kind of impossible

50:04SPEAKERlike a I usually don't care about spoilers because I think that plot is

50:08SPEAKERthe least interesting thing in a game but in this case like the like the the

50:13SPEAKERway the game unwraps is really compelling not only that but the sense

50:17SPEAKERof mystery before it unwraps when you see all this crazy stuff happens like

50:20SPEAKERwhy the fuck are these cards talking to me yeah like why is the stoat copping

50:24SPEAKERsuch an attitude I love the stoat man stowed the stowed and the stink bug are

50:28SPEAKERboth pretty you'll see where that stuff's going this well yeah I figured

50:32SPEAKERthat part I got okay okay like the stowed the stink bug in the in the in

50:36SPEAKERthe jacked up wolf yeah are all all all personal heroes of mine you see the okay

50:42SPEAKERyou just yeah I understand that part but like the the the the escape room part is

50:48SPEAKERsurprisingly compelling yeah from talking I streamed a lot of this the

50:51SPEAKERother over the last few days of streaming and from talking to chat

50:55SPEAKEReverybody has a different like the stuff that you unlock in the escape room part

50:59SPEAKERdirectly impacts the rest of the game in a way that like they were seeing stuff

51:05SPEAKERthat I they hadn't seen on their playthroughs like pretty significant

51:12SPEAKERchunks of game were unlocked as a result of my approach to some of those puzzles

51:16SPEAKERversus their approach to some of those puzzles something interesting there's

51:19SPEAKERalso a lot of body horror in this game just as a yes if you're squeamish mmm if

51:23SPEAKERyou if you if you're if you're nervous about mouth bones like a solid a fair

51:28SPEAKERamount of first-person self-harm yeah yeah so that's a that is the kindest

51:33SPEAKERpossible way to describe that anyway just you know be thoughtful it's a lot

51:39SPEAKERyeah I have I forgot to finish that game this weekend I saw my I'm gonna I want

51:45SPEAKERto bring it home it is maybe the best like it's probably like I can't it's

51:49SPEAKERamazing to me that hitman 3 came out this year but like it's it is high on

51:55SPEAKERthe list for me I saw on this year's games I saw Justin McElroy tweeted last

52:00SPEAKERnight I'm paraphrasing slightly here but he basically said I finished

52:04SPEAKERinscription today it is the best game of the year and like and depending on how

52:08SPEAKERit sticks the landing I might not disagree with him I I'm like it's good

52:15SPEAKERenough that makes me I didn't play the the developers earlier stuff yeah the

52:20SPEAKERthe same guy made pony island and the hex I never played the hex I did play

52:24SPEAKERsome pony island and my game was also pretty impressive in pretty similar ways

52:27SPEAKERyeah like there's a there's a weird I feel like maybe this is how people felt

52:32SPEAKERabout undertale that spent a lot of time playing JRPGs and yeah engaging with

52:37SPEAKERthose like I never was super like I played Final Fantasy 3 on the SNES and

52:40SPEAKERstuff like that but I was never like a JRPG guy necessarily yeah and this but I

52:45SPEAKERdid play a lot of like stone keep and those kind of like dungeon crawly

52:49SPEAKERadventure type games that were like RPG light basically sure and this is hitting

52:55SPEAKERit at least the first part of this hits a lot of those vibes for me yeah the

52:59SPEAKERtone is different like that I yeah I don't mean to be reductive about

53:02SPEAKERundertale but like my my kind of general impression of undertale is that the tone

53:07SPEAKERis like twee internet humor kind of thing a bit whereas the like the tone in

53:12SPEAKERthis one is much more like sinister and sardonic and kind of you

53:20SPEAKERknow the hob yes yeah yeah same same like style I guess I would say about

53:25SPEAKERdifferent tone in a way that clicks with me much more yeah I don't know I'm like

53:32SPEAKERI literally I decided to only play it on stream without really thinking about

53:36SPEAKERwhat I was saying and then didn't stream for five days or six days and was like I

53:39SPEAKERjust want to play more inscription I just want to play more inscription I

53:42SPEAKERdon't have time I want to play more inscription I want to play more

53:43SPEAKERinscription yes and then yeah I keep I keep I keep having to play other games

53:48SPEAKERfor job but if weren't for that I would have finished this already because it's

53:52SPEAKERreally something yeah like I would I hope that I can just keep playing the

53:57SPEAKERcard game at some point because I'm enjoying the card game like the steam

54:00SPEAKERthe steam reviews are like full of people going like please take the card

54:04SPEAKERgame from the first act of the game and just make it a whole game like I want

54:06SPEAKERmore of that and I get it and and like the characterizations and so yeah it's

54:13SPEAKERjust really good it's a it's an incredibly well like and it's like 20

54:16SPEAKERbucks yeah so you know it's yeah the writing is really it's just the sheer

54:20SPEAKERamount of creativity and it is just kind of kind of startling it's it's not often

54:25SPEAKERI play something that's this smart yes yes it is like this like this game has

54:31SPEAKERput Daniel Mullins on the map in a way that like it's like yeah it's like

54:37SPEAKERcareer-defining I think well I mean everybody has like I I'm sure you I

54:42SPEAKERmaybe you don't but I have like a list of studios that are like instant buys

54:46SPEAKERwhen the new game comes out like yeah when there's a new supergiant game I'm

54:49SPEAKERgonna be there cuz right like you know all their games are incredible

54:53SPEAKERpyre might not be my favorite thing but I still enjoy pyre and I'm willing to

54:56SPEAKERdie like I'll plunk down whatever they want from whatever their next thing is

55:00SPEAKERright yeah yeah yeah like this is the day he's on the he's on that list now as

55:07SPEAKERfar as for sure for sure I kind of I kind of want to back and finish pony

55:10SPEAKERisland now yeah I I'm gonna I'm gonna check out hex and pony island I think

55:14SPEAKERthe the motif of pony island if I remember I haven't played in like five

55:18SPEAKERyears but it's like it's like a black-and-white like old 80s arcade

55:22SPEAKERmachine okay except Satan has possessed the ROMs of the arcade machine perfect

55:28SPEAKERso like you're trying to play this old side scroller but the devil keeps

55:32SPEAKERinterfering or something like that that's my vague memory of it and like you

55:36SPEAKERand you start digging into like the service menu of the game and like trying

55:39SPEAKERto banish demons or something it's so it's like Super Mario Brothers 2 but the

55:44SPEAKERSun is hell basically yes it's so it's also very meta and layered yeah in the

55:50SPEAKERsame way like I like I like I like somebody who is thoughtful not just

55:55SPEAKERabout the game but about the world in which the game lives yes yes so you

56:00SPEAKERshould play inscription that's the TLDR here yeah might have to update the name

56:04SPEAKERof the game's channel we also for people who are curious we one of the things we

56:08SPEAKERadded for patrons is thread club has been kind of shepherding this but we

56:14SPEAKERhave threads for currently popular games that are in discussion in the discord so

56:22SPEAKERif you want to talk about things such as Metroid dreads ending which is very good

56:26SPEAKERdid you finish that yet by the way I did okay it's completely ridiculous yeah and

56:31SPEAKERinscription we have threads for that kind of stuff and if you want other

56:35SPEAKERthreads I'm sure you can just ask thread club and they'll hook you up yeah but

56:39SPEAKERit's it's been it's actually been really nice to have a place that I can go and

56:42SPEAKERtalk about inscription although like I look at this the chat for inscription

56:48SPEAKERright now is like I've been super busy at work so I haven't had time to finish

56:50SPEAKERit but I do keep thinking about it and then a paragraph of spoiler and then

56:54SPEAKERsomebody else is like oh spoiler spoiler it's like it looks like an FBI document

56:58SPEAKERit really does it's everything's redacted um so anyway I gotta finish it

57:03SPEAKERI can go back and read the threads yes that's that's the other reason I want to

57:05SPEAKERfinish it is I want to click on all the spoilers spoilers yeah that's right

57:09SPEAKERthat's right um I guess it's end of a patron episode yeah that'll do it hope

57:14SPEAKERwe didn't talk about too much video game I you know sometimes you just can't not

57:19SPEAKERwhen something special I don't get to talk I don't have a venue for talking

57:23SPEAKERabout video I know you get to talk about video game all the time I don't really

57:25SPEAKERhave a venue for video game talk anymore yeah that's fair I miss it but yeah this

57:30SPEAKERwas this was uh this was a patron episode all right sure was we'll be back

57:37SPEAKERnext week month with another one and then there should be an episode I think

57:39SPEAKERmaybe I'll post this on Saturday so we don't do double episodes on Monday oh

57:42SPEAKERwhat but this episode references the episode that will go up following day

57:46SPEAKERepisode ception man oh no hang on I what do you question no but I told I said I

57:55SPEAKERtold war bird that we might actually read one of his questions oh and then we

57:59SPEAKERdidn't you mean war rocky boo lock bird yes and I can't remember which one I was

58:03SPEAKERthere are 11 of them in here good God and most of them are unanswerable there's

58:13SPEAKERone listen I'm going to there's one there's one very straightforward one

58:19SPEAKERabout VR but uh oh I got it actually hang on I you know what no I mean here's

58:24SPEAKERhere's the one okay hit me what's your favorite kind of mustard French is

58:29SPEAKERyellow really I ate a lot of hot dogs bread I you know I was gonna say like

58:33SPEAKERliterally the perhaps one and only use for French is yellow mustard is on a hot

58:39SPEAKERdog I don't also put it on a hamburger I would put it on like oh it has to be a

58:43SPEAKERgrilled burger though if it's like a fancy burger I don't want to I don't

58:47SPEAKERwant a French's I want like a grape upon or interesting something on there my my

58:51SPEAKERburger stack growing up because we had a lot of cookouts yeah okay lay down the

58:56SPEAKERbottom of the bun yeah the French's yellow goes there yeah then the burger

59:00SPEAKERyeah then the cheese then tomato then lettuce tomato under lettuce yeah how

59:09SPEAKERdoes the tomato will slide off of the lettuce if it's on top I mean unless you

59:13SPEAKERjust really smash the burger that's that's part of the danger of the yeah

59:16SPEAKERthat's when that's what you got a yeah with great power comes great responsibility

59:19SPEAKERbrands right and then mayonnaise on the underside of the top bun and that is

59:23SPEAKERthat is my like totally vanilla standard I'm not getting crazy with bacon or

59:27SPEAKERjalapenos or anything but just the standard hamburger okay so my burger

59:31SPEAKERstack is bun if I'm doing ketchup and mustard I'll put ketchup and mustard but

59:37SPEAKERusually I'm a just mayonnaise only mayonnaise guy so do bun mayo if I have

59:43SPEAKERpickle slices like the like the long boys okay I'll put them down there on the

59:47SPEAKERbottom pickles good as a good crunchy base mm-hmm if I have if I have if I have

59:53SPEAKERcircle pickles instead of instead of like oblong pickles the circle pickles

59:57SPEAKERgo on the top okay the burger cheese lettuce tomato maybe if like it okay

1:00:08SPEAKERlook if I grill the onions they go on the very bottom mm-hmm okay if I if I'm

1:00:13SPEAKEReating raw like a like a two rings of raw onion that'll go above the tomato

1:00:17SPEAKERokay and then more mayonnaise onions raw onions was also red onion was also a big

1:00:23SPEAKERone back home oh we didn't know that you mentioned it who fancy we never have we

1:00:27SPEAKERwere always a yellow sweet Vidalia hmm there we have a lot of those - a lot of

1:00:31SPEAKERonions around the house I'd for whatever reason the last six months or so I have

1:00:35SPEAKERbeen like borderline obsessed with Grey Poupon oh which for some reason after

1:00:40SPEAKERnever really caring about it my whole life but I've been going through a lot

1:00:43SPEAKERof great Poupon so I like I like if I'm eating a corned beef sandwich Dijon like

1:00:47SPEAKERa great Poupon or even like a stone ground is always the jam sure I use a

1:00:52SPEAKERlot of date you know the secret the secret of a good vinaigrette is a little

1:00:56SPEAKERgreat Poupon ooh put a little Dijon in your vinaigrette oh yeah very good yeah

1:01:00SPEAKERvery good all right there you go - congratulations you finally got a

1:01:05SPEAKERquestion on to an episode we've we've broken the streak now at least it wasn't

1:01:13SPEAKERabout college football yes thanks to everybody for bearing with us this week

1:01:16SPEAKERas we run an old episode we appreciate we should be back to normal next week

1:01:20SPEAKERwe're hoping with a regular episode of the show as always this is the part of

1:01:23SPEAKERthe show where we thank our patrons so thank you patrons and since it's the end

1:01:27SPEAKERof the month in addition to think you're of executive producer tier patrons we

1:01:30SPEAKERalso also thank our associate producer tier patrons so first off thanks to

1:01:35SPEAKERexecutive tier patrons Andrew Slosky Paddle Creek games makers of fractured

1:01:39SPEAKERveil James kamek Joel Krauska join the tech pod gift swap wedge nice job wedge

1:01:46SPEAKERthat's a good plug there redacted twinkle twinkie thank you all so so

1:01:51SPEAKERmuch and thanks to our associate producer to your patrons as well

1:01:54SPEAKERincluding Andre M Burke Arthur geez Dave Julian Eric Klein Graham Banks Chad

1:02:00SPEAKERRita Jason Neeland Jay maybe Joseph thorn Nathan Phelps Steve Lynn Thomas

1:02:06SPEAKERShay and Travis Rosner thank you all so so much we really appreciate you and we

1:02:11SPEAKERwill be back next week with another episode of the tech pod see y'all then I

1:02:16SPEAKERguess I don't have to beep since Brad's not here