00:00SPEAKER- Brad, can I talk about how much I love reusable zip ties?
00:03SPEAKER- Hey, it's your podcast.
00:04SPEAKERYou can talk about anything you want.
00:06SPEAKERActually, well, it's half your podcast.
00:08SPEAKERHow does that work?
00:09SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, it's half the podcast.
00:10SPEAKERWe talk about exactly what I want.
00:11SPEAKERThe other half, we talk about your nonsense, right?
00:12SPEAKER- I mean, we each own 50% of this podcast.
00:14SPEAKERHow do, what's the tiebreaker?
00:16SPEAKERWhat if we are deadlocked on a decision?
00:19SPEAKERThere's no third party to come break the tie.
00:21SPEAKER- Look, I saw a video this morning
00:23SPEAKERof kids playing rock, paper, scissors in gym class
00:25SPEAKERwhere they have a bazillion hula hoops lined up
00:28SPEAKERon the gym floor and they each like hop
00:30SPEAKERfrom hula hoop to hula hoop.
00:31SPEAKERAnd when they meet, kids start at both ends.
00:35SPEAKERAnd when they meet, they rock, paper, scissors,
00:36SPEAKERand the one that wins keeps going.
00:37SPEAKERAnd the one that loses goes back to the back of the line.
00:40SPEAKER- Are you, hang on.
00:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
00:42SPEAKER- Are you saying if we disagree fundamentally on something,
00:44SPEAKERwe're gonna have to go find a great school gym class?
00:46SPEAKER- We're gonna have to get a bunch of hula hoops
00:47SPEAKERand go to a basketball court someplace is what I'm saying.
00:49SPEAKER- Okay, okay.
00:50SPEAKER- But the kids, here's the secret.
00:51SPEAKERNo one ever got to the end.
00:54SPEAKER- Huh, okay.
00:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
00:56SPEAKER- I can see that.
00:57SPEAKER- I probably talked about this before.
01:00SPEAKERThis is completely tangential to what we were planning
01:03SPEAKERto cold open about.
01:05SPEAKERMy grade school is about, let's say 200 yards
01:09SPEAKERfrom my childhood home.
01:10SPEAKER- Okay, I'm super jealous.
01:12SPEAKERWe have to drive for 30 minutes to get to my grade school.
01:14SPEAKER- Oh my God, that's a nightmare.
01:15SPEAKER- It sucked.
01:17SPEAKER- I walked two minutes every day to go to school.
01:19SPEAKER- Oh, that's so cool.
01:21SPEAKER- But it is also really, they've got a nice
01:22SPEAKERlike big nature trail behind it.
01:24SPEAKERIt's just like it's very rural and wooded around there.
01:27SPEAKERSo it's like a nice place to hike around and stuff.
01:29SPEAKERSo we'll take like the dogs down there.
01:31SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice.
01:32SPEAKER- And the upshot of that is I get to like peer
01:33SPEAKERinto my old grade school gym.
01:35SPEAKER- Wow.
01:36SPEAKER- Which kind of has not changed at all
01:38SPEAKERin the last 35 plus years.
01:41SPEAKERThere's a computer in there now.
01:42SPEAKER- Okay.
01:43SPEAKER- There's a computer in the corner.
01:44SPEAKEROtherwise it looks pretty much the same.
01:46SPEAKERThe little stage that we did the Christmas pageant
01:48SPEAKERon is still there.
01:49SPEAKER- Still, still.
01:50SPEAKEROh, so see my grade school had a split gym.
01:55SPEAKERLike we had a gym slash cafeteria slash auditorium
02:00SPEAKERfor the first like four years I was there.
02:02SPEAKERAnd then they got money somewhere
02:03SPEAKERand they built an enormous basketball gym.
02:06SPEAKERIt was just for PE that had like showers
02:08SPEAKERand the whole thing on the other end of the school.
02:11SPEAKER- I don't know if we had showers, but.
02:12SPEAKER- We definitely did not have showers for a long time.
02:14SPEAKERAnd then we had showers and then they never used them
02:16SPEAKERbecause I'm sure it's like, you know,
02:18SPEAKERyou don't want a bunch of naked fourth graders running
02:20SPEAKERaround.
02:21SPEAKER- No, no you don't.
02:22SPEAKER- Nobody wants that.
02:23SPEAKER- No you don't.
02:24SPEAKERBut I do get to look in there and remember parachute day.
02:27SPEAKER- Oh, parachute.
02:28SPEAKERWhy do they only bring the parachute out one time a year?
02:30SPEAKER- Dude, I guess nothing beats parachute day
02:34SPEAKERand you can't do it all the time.
02:36SPEAKER- Do you think this is the magic?
02:38SPEAKEROkay, so two things.
02:39SPEAKEROne is when you have a baby and you go to like jamboree
02:41SPEAKERand classes like those baby, those like little baby classes
02:44SPEAKERthat teach them to like recognize other faces
02:46SPEAKERother than yours, they do parachute day every time you go.
02:50SPEAKER- What?
02:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
02:52SPEAKER- Wait a minute.
02:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
02:53SPEAKER- You're saying if I just have a child,
02:54SPEAKERI can do parachute time all the time?
02:55SPEAKER- Well, for the first two to three years.
02:58SPEAKER- Okay.
02:58SPEAKER- Sold.
02:59SPEAKER(upbeat music)
03:16SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)
03:27SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.
03:29SPEAKERI'm Will.
03:30SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
03:31SPEAKER- Wait, does my 50% count?
03:32SPEAKERDoes the intro come out of my 50%?
03:34SPEAKER- I don't know.
03:35SPEAKER- I say that.
03:36SPEAKERThose are my words.
03:37SPEAKER- I never considered that really.
03:39SPEAKERI don't think it's a sequential 50%.
03:42SPEAKER- We can't ever break up, Brad.
03:43SPEAKERThat's the takeaway here.
03:44SPEAKER- Seriously.
03:46SPEAKERMaybe you should know more about the company that I co-own,
03:49SPEAKERbut that's how it works, right?
03:50SPEAKERLike majority decision-making, it's like 51%, right?
03:54SPEAKER- Well, look, that's if things go bad.
03:56SPEAKERIf things are fine, then we just, yeah,
03:58SPEAKERwe do the hula hoop, roshambo thing.
04:00SPEAKERThat's how it works.
04:01SPEAKER- That was part of the jokey thought experiment
04:03SPEAKERof the cold open was if things went bad.
04:05SPEAKERI'm not saying they're going to.
04:06SPEAKER- Wow, now see, now people are gonna listen to us
04:08SPEAKERand they're gonna be like,
04:09SPEAKERoh, there's so much tension right now.
04:11SPEAKERThere's Brad and Will are fighting.
04:13SPEAKERWe're not fighting, everything's good.
04:14SPEAKERBut we are doing taxes, which is always stressful, so.
04:17SPEAKER- Brad hates Will, Will hates Brad.
04:18SPEAKERWe know how this goes.
04:19SPEAKER- Yeah, that's my favorite genre of bad internet comment
04:23SPEAKERis the like, here are people watching a YouTube video
04:28SPEAKERor like a live stream or something and they're like,
04:31SPEAKERoh man, these people really fucking hate each other.
04:33SPEAKERBut like it's people that spend four to 10 hours a day,
04:37SPEAKERusually working together.
04:38SPEAKERAnd generally speaking, they're all employable elsewhere.
04:41SPEAKERSo if they really hated each other,
04:43SPEAKERthey would just go get a job someplace else.
04:45SPEAKER- I will take X hates Y any day over theory crafting
04:49SPEAKERabout what each person's job responsibilities are.
04:54SPEAKER- It's another good category of toxic comment, yeah.
04:56SPEAKER- Because boy is that shit toxic and stupid, mostly wrong.
05:00SPEAKER- I was able to ignore that.
05:02SPEAKERMy favorite was the guy, my other favorite toxic comment,
05:05SPEAKERI can't believe we're talking about this.
05:06SPEAKERMy other favorite toxic comment is the person
05:08SPEAKERwho takes the time to comment on every single thing you're on
05:10SPEAKERthat they think that you make everything worse.
05:13SPEAKER- It's the only time they ever comment.
05:14SPEAKERIt's like they just want that attention.
05:17SPEAKERAnyway, comments are bad.
05:19SPEAKERWe should not have had comments on anything,
05:20SPEAKERbut discords are great.
05:21SPEAKERI like the discords.
05:22SPEAKER- Yes, discords are nice.
05:24SPEAKERLet's stop commenting about comments
05:26SPEAKERand move on to whatever this episode is going to be.
05:29SPEAKER- Right, it's the most intoxicating word you can hear
05:32SPEAKERat the start of a tech pod episode.
05:34SPEAKER- Go on.
05:35SPEAKERPo-pery.
05:37SPEAKEROoh, I just got a nice whiff of some floral scents.
05:40SPEAKERWe've done this bit before, we just, hey,
05:43SPEAKERwe didn't have a great topic and time
05:45SPEAKERto get this recorded this week, so.
05:47SPEAKER- Actually, I think you made a good pitch last night.
05:49SPEAKERYou were like, look, we have a bunch of small, cool stuff.
05:51SPEAKERI was like, you know, I do have a bunch of small, cool stuff
05:53SPEAKERand you do have a bunch of cool, small stuff, so.
05:56SPEAKER- Much as San Francisco has an array of microclimates
05:59SPEAKERthat you can roam around and enjoy,
06:01SPEAKERwe have a list of microtopics that we're going to cover.
06:03SPEAKER- Did we talk about the raining sardines?
06:06SPEAKER- Yes. - And raining anchovies?
06:07SPEAKER- I don't know, did we talk about it in the microphone?
06:08SPEAKERSee, this is the curse. - Yeah.
06:10SPEAKER- Did we talk about it where other people could hear it
06:12SPEAKERor was this just idle, idle chatter?
06:14SPEAKER- Did you have raining anchovies?
06:16SPEAKER- I don't think so. - Okay.
06:18SPEAKERThere were so many anchovies in the bay a couple weeks ago
06:20SPEAKERthat the seagulls were gorging themselves on them
06:22SPEAKERand they were falling out of their mouths
06:24SPEAKERas they were flying around.
06:25SPEAKER- That's amazing. - Yeah.
06:27SPEAKER- That is amazing.
06:28SPEAKEROkay. - Okay.
06:28SPEAKER- All right, that is not one of the topics
06:31SPEAKERthat we were here to cover. - That is not a topic, no.
06:32SPEAKER- Okay, so I was just gonna read
06:35SPEAKERfrom this hastily assembled notes document that we have.
06:38SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:39SPEAKER- Okay, I wrote down 86Box.
06:41SPEAKER- Yes.
06:42SPEAKER- Slash my Windows 3.1 audio problem
06:45SPEAKERthat I'm hoping you have an idea about.
06:47SPEAKER- 86Box is of course the super cranked up version of,
06:51SPEAKERit's like a really good old PC emulator.
06:54SPEAKER- Yes, it's incredible.
06:56SPEAKERI may have overindulged on the next Lander podcast this week
07:00SPEAKERabout 86Box. - Hold on, I--
07:01SPEAKER- I'm not sure people cared enough for that particular venue
07:04SPEAKERbut here it is perfect.
07:07SPEAKER- I, okay, I was gonna call you out
07:09SPEAKERon something you said on the next Lander podcast next week,
07:11SPEAKERthe conversation that you chuckleheads had over there
07:14SPEAKERand now I can't remember what the conversation was
07:16SPEAKERso you're off the hook I guess.
07:17SPEAKER- Yeah, well also-- - Congratulations.
07:19SPEAKERAlso I got stuck in one of those hamburger jails
07:21SPEAKERlike Vinny did apparently as a child.
07:25SPEAKER- Oh. - Yeah.
07:26SPEAKER- I've never seen one of those before.
07:27SPEAKER- It was terrifying.
07:29SPEAKERYou could get it, if you were big you could get in
07:32SPEAKERbut then your legs didn't bend the right way
07:34SPEAKERto get back out if you were too tall.
07:37SPEAKER- They put a literal cage at McDonald's?
07:39SPEAKER- It was like a tube with a hamburger-shaped jail on top
07:42SPEAKERand so you climbed in the side of the tube
07:44SPEAKERand climbed up this little like four-step ladder
07:46SPEAKERand the holes were very small.
07:49SPEAKERBut you could, it's the normal caving problem, right?
07:52SPEAKERPeople go in but they don't come out.
07:55SPEAKERAnd then I got in there and I couldn't make the turn
07:57SPEAKERat the bottom to get back out so I had to go down headfirst
08:01SPEAKERwith my grandfather holding my ankles
08:03SPEAKERso I didn't fall and break my neck on the way down
08:07SPEAKERand in order to get out,
08:08SPEAKERI thought they were gonna have to cut me out.
08:09SPEAKERI almost had a, it was, I don't have panic attacks
08:13SPEAKERbut I almost had a panic attack in like fourth
08:15SPEAKERor fifth grade I guess, or third grade, I don't know.
08:17SPEAKER- The '80s were a different time.
08:18SPEAKERFor every parachute day there was a hamburger jail.
08:21SPEAKER- The hamburger jail continues.
08:23SPEAKERI had not thought about it for 35 years
08:26SPEAKERand then Vinny posted a picture of it on Twitter
08:27SPEAKERthe other day, I was like, oh fuck.
08:29SPEAKER- Man. - Flashback.
08:30SPEAKER- Man. - Anyway, okay.
08:32SPEAKER- Okay, okay, so those are, so the things I wrote down
08:34SPEAKERare 86 box and my new NAS build
08:36SPEAKERwhich was sitting in a pile next to me.
08:37SPEAKER- You also asked me about my new desk.
08:40SPEAKERI changed my desk when I came back from the DES.
08:42SPEAKER- Yes, so your list here includes your new desk layout
08:45SPEAKERslash backdrop which no longer includes a green screen.
08:48SPEAKER- No green screen.
08:50SPEAKER- And I'm pretty into your decor.
08:51SPEAKER- Thank you.
08:54SPEAKER- Something that I assume is pronounced tidbits
08:56SPEAKERwhich is the LED screen behind you.
08:57SPEAKER- That is not the LED screen behind me.
08:59SPEAKER- Oh, that's a different one. - It's a different LED screen.
09:01SPEAKER- Oh, okay, so we're talking about multiple screens here.
09:04SPEAKER- Yeah.
09:05SPEAKER- Ultra shawl? - Ultra shawl.
09:07SPEAKER- Which am I to assume that shawl in German is what, sonic?
09:11SPEAKER- I don't have any idea but it's a plug-in for Reaper
09:14SPEAKERthat includes a bunch of stuff designed
09:16SPEAKERto make Reaper awesome for podcast editing.
09:18SPEAKERI've been noodling around with it and it makes--
09:20SPEAKER- Oh. - It makes Reaper
09:21SPEAKERreally good for podcast editing.
09:23SPEAKER- Sound, not sonic.
09:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah, sound, that makes sense.
09:25SPEAKER- Ultrasound is what that means.
09:28SPEAKER- We can see inside the podcast with it.
09:30SPEAKERIt's I guess what happens there.
09:32SPEAKERAnd then I also, I bought a Stream Deck XL
09:34SPEAKERand it has too many buttons and I don't know what to do.
09:37SPEAKERI was gonna buy a normal size one
09:38SPEAKERand then I saw the other one was only a little bit more
09:41SPEAKERso I bought the one that was a little bit more.
09:43SPEAKERAnd now I have too many buttons
09:45SPEAKERand I don't know what to do with the button
09:46SPEAKERso I want people to suggest button uses to me, please.
09:48SPEAKER- Okay, lightning round?
09:51SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.
09:52SPEAKER- Should we be lightning round through these things?
09:54SPEAKER- Yeah, what do you wanna do first?
09:55SPEAKER- Well, I have a pressing problem.
09:59SPEAKERWe have a stream imminent right after this for--
10:01SPEAKER- Oh, for the problem that we're talking about
10:03SPEAKERwith the 3.1, Windows 3.1 audio?
10:05SPEAKER- Let's talk about 86 box.
10:07SPEAKERApologies to people who already heard this
10:08SPEAKERon the next--
10:09SPEAKER- Does Gabriel Knight not work on Windows 3.1?
10:12SPEAKER- No, it's running fine.
10:13SPEAKERIt was made for Windows 3.1.
10:14SPEAKER- What about Windows 95, though?
10:17SPEAKER- It probably does.
10:18SPEAKER- Okay.
10:19SPEAKER- I wanted the absolute authentic pure--
10:20SPEAKER- Okay, okay, that's fair.
10:22SPEAKER- I wanted to run it on the Windows it was designed for.
10:24SPEAKERIt probably works fine.
10:25SPEAKER- It's the way it's meant to be played.
10:26SPEAKER- 95, but the only problem I'm having
10:29SPEAKERis I'm getting some crackling in the digital audio
10:31SPEAKERin Windows 3.1.
10:33SPEAKERIt's intermittent.
10:34SPEAKERIt's not all the time, but it's like,
10:36SPEAKERit's kind of whenever a digital sample starts,
10:38SPEAKERthere'll be a pop at the beginning.
10:40SPEAKER- Just one?
10:41SPEAKER- One or two, occasionally none.
10:45SPEAKER- Have you tried emulating a different sound card?
10:48SPEAKER- So I could do that.
10:49SPEAKERI would have to uninstall and reinstall new drivers, though,
10:51SPEAKERprobably.
10:52SPEAKER- No, no, you can.
10:53SPEAKERWindows 3.1 loves having drivers changed.
10:55SPEAKERIt's no problem.
10:56SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I'm sure it's totally seamless.
10:58SPEAKER- Plug and play is what they invented that before then.
11:01SPEAKER- So I mean, maybe we should back up a little bit here.
11:02SPEAKERSo I put a virtual all 64 in that machine.
11:06SPEAKER- Oh, that's two.
11:06SPEAKERThat's Windows 3.1 is too early for all 64.
11:09SPEAKER- Well, there are drivers.
11:10SPEAKERI went and found, I went on archive.org and found the,
11:13SPEAKERlook, the era appropriate all 64 install CD,
11:17SPEAKERwhich has Windows 3.1 drivers on it.
11:18SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna tell you something about creative labs
11:20SPEAKERat that period of time.
11:22SPEAKERThey were really good at drivers for one OS at a time only.
11:26SPEAKERSo for example, when I had my all 64,
11:29SPEAKERif I wanted to run Windows 95 or 98, no problem.
11:33SPEAKERIf I wanted to run Windows NT, that was probably fine.
11:36SPEAKERBut if I wanted to run Windows NT with multiple CPU cores,
11:39SPEAKERthat was a hard no.
11:40SPEAKER- Oh sure.
11:41SPEAKERLook, I may very well have flown too close to the sun here.
11:44SPEAKERLike by the time I had a real all 64 back in the day,
11:47SPEAKERI was at least on NT4, if not like Windows 2000.
11:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it would have been Windows 98 timeframe probably.
11:53SPEAKER- So the idea of putting an all 64 in a Windows 3.1 machine
11:56SPEAKERis kind of ridiculous.
11:57SPEAKERAlso, it's a Pentium 166.
11:59SPEAKERAlso kind of ridiculous for Windows 3.1.
12:02SPEAKER- Yeah, Pentium, God, I think the last machine I had
12:07SPEAKERthat ran Windows 3.1 was a Pentium 60 probably.
12:11SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds right.
12:12SPEAKER- Maybe even a 4666.
12:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I was on a Pentium 75
12:16SPEAKERwhen the transition to 95 happened.
12:18SPEAKER- The thing, so if you want top notch sound
12:20SPEAKERfor Windows 3.1, that seems like a gust to me.
12:23SPEAKERGet your Gravis ultrasound on.
12:25SPEAKER- Really?
12:25SPEAKER- Yeah. - So I mean,
12:27SPEAKERI've heard of the Gravis ultrasound for years.
12:29SPEAKERI never knew it was like that top tier though.
12:31SPEAKERIs it really?
12:32SPEAKER- Well, it had a really good MIDI engine was the thing.
12:34SPEAKER- Oh man.
12:35SPEAKERWell, so that, man, I need to back up like three steps
12:38SPEAKERand explain to you what this program is
12:40SPEAKERbecause it is the coolest thing I have ever used.
12:43SPEAKER- We talked about it a little bit on the patron episode,
12:44SPEAKERI think, but we haven't talked about it
12:45SPEAKERon a mainline episode yet.
12:46SPEAKER- Had I gotten into it at that point?
12:48SPEAKER- Yeah, you were like, look,
12:49SPEAKERyou can pick all the hardware you want.
12:50SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
12:51SPEAKERGod, I am mad. - But we should still
12:52SPEAKERexplain it to people who don't listen to the patron episode.
12:54SPEAKER- Way too many podcasts.
12:57SPEAKER86Box is a way to assemble a real ass computer
13:01SPEAKERout of virtual parts from the original IBM PC
13:06SPEAKERpersonal computer 8088 based all the way up
13:09SPEAKERto like a Pentium II Xeon.
13:11SPEAKERBut you do it by picking hardware from dropdown menus
13:14SPEAKERwhere it's literally like you start with a socket.
13:16SPEAKERYou know, socket seven was mostly Pentiums.
13:19SPEAKERSocket four and five, I think it was 486, I think.
13:23SPEAKER- A lot of the 486s and 386s
13:28SPEAKERwere just soldered on motherboards too.
13:30SPEAKER- Sure, sure, fair.
13:32SPEAKERSo yeah, you kind of cascade down.
13:34SPEAKERLike you start with a socket and then once you pick that,
13:36SPEAKERit's like, here's all the motherboards we have
13:37SPEAKERthat we have recreated.
13:39SPEAKERThey're all real. - That makes sense.
13:39SPEAKERYeah, yeah, yeah.
13:41SPEAKERCan you get a BP-6 in there?
13:42SPEAKER- What's that?
13:43SPEAKER- Get an A-bit BP-6?
13:45SPEAKER- There's not a ton.
13:46SPEAKERThere's only like one or two A-bits that I saw in here,
13:48SPEAKERwhich kind of made me sad.
13:50SPEAKER- What about a tie-in?
13:51SPEAKERYou got a tie-in?
13:52SPEAKER- So, see, this is why you and me need to talk
13:55SPEAKERabout 86Box for the rest of time.
13:57SPEAKERLike one of my favorite things about this thing so far
14:00SPEAKERis like after you pick your socket
14:01SPEAKERand you go through all these dozens of motherboards,
14:02SPEAKERlike seeing all these names that I haven't seen
14:05SPEAKERin 20 plus years, like remember SoYo?
14:08SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
14:09SPEAKER- Like tie-in, like I haven't seen a tie-in in here.
14:11SPEAKERLike tie-ins were like pretty high-end, weren't they?
14:13SPEAKER- Tie-in was like workstation boards usually.
14:15SPEAKER- Right, right.
14:17SPEAKER- Or high reliability.
14:18SPEAKERBack then, the thing, like we think that some brands
14:22SPEAKERare more reliable and less reliable than others now,
14:24SPEAKERbut back then it was real.
14:25SPEAKERLike if you bought the wrong motherboard
14:27SPEAKERwith a bad chip set or with a bad BIOS,
14:29SPEAKERyou would have a crashy-ass computer for a long time.
14:32SPEAKER- Oh, absolutely, 100%.
14:33SPEAKERThat Pentium 75 I had was from the screwdriver shop.
14:35SPEAKERI have no idea what kind of board was in it.
14:37SPEAKERAlso, I will never forgive myself
14:39SPEAKERfor those machines getting recycled,
14:42SPEAKERbut it crashed all, it was blue screen-y as hell.
14:45SPEAKER- Yeah, well, you also had overclocked it, as I recall.
14:48SPEAKER- Yes, I had, that was before,
14:50SPEAKERthat was before there was active cooling on processors
14:52SPEAKERand I was pushing that 75 to 90
14:54SPEAKERand that eventually went poorly.
14:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I wish I had thought to buy,
14:59SPEAKERI mean, I don't know where I would have bought a heat sink
15:01SPEAKERat that point that you could just glue on,
15:03SPEAKERbut can you imagine just putting a heat sink
15:06SPEAKERon my Pentium 60 and then moving that jumper over to 66
15:12SPEAKERand getting 10% more speed?
15:13SPEAKER- That would have been, that would have been,
15:16SPEAKERexcuse me, that would have been pretty good.
15:19SPEAKERThe thing I was going to say is mine was the kind
15:21SPEAKERwith the ceramic package.
15:23SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
15:24SPEAKER- And I assume that was some kind of heat sink.
15:26SPEAKERI assume the ceramic was acting as a heat dissipator
15:29SPEAKERor some degree.
15:30SPEAKER- That's the way they all were.
15:31SPEAKERIt was like, it was a heat spreader,
15:33SPEAKERbut they didn't get hot.
15:35SPEAKERYou're like, you could touch that CPU
15:37SPEAKERwhile it was burning full speed
15:38SPEAKERand you wouldn't burn your finger or anything.
15:40SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm sitting here looking like some other names
15:42SPEAKERfrom the past that I haven't seen in forever,
15:44SPEAKERlike Aopen, Biostar, I mentioned SoYo.
15:49SPEAKER- It's still around for what it's worth.
15:50SPEAKER- I guess I looked up Aopen and they do still exist.
15:52SPEAKERMicronix?
15:54SPEAKER- I don't remember Micronix.
15:55SPEAKER- I remember, most of these I remember from PC magazines
15:57SPEAKERfrom, you know, from like Data Expert?
16:01SPEAKERNo idea, Tri-Gem?
16:03SPEAKERI remember Tri-Gem.
16:03SPEAKER- Oh, Data Expert did power supplies and stuff.
16:06SPEAKERThey were real.
16:06SPEAKER- Okay.
16:07SPEAKERShuttle?
16:08SPEAKER- Shuttle was made the small form factor,
16:10SPEAKERthe first small form factor machines.
16:12SPEAKER- Let's see.
16:12SPEAKER- Shuttle made some of my all time favorite cases.
16:16SPEAKERThey would sell an all-in-one with a motherboard
16:18SPEAKERbuilt in, and then you just drop a CPU and a video card in.
16:22SPEAKER- So one of the fun things here is that some of these boards
16:24SPEAKERthey have dumped are from like kind of
16:27SPEAKERmajor electronics companies like Sony or Toshiba.
16:29SPEAKERSo like I set up a Pentium Sony VAIO.
16:33SPEAKER- Oh wow.
16:34SPEAKER- And when you boot that VAIO, of course they have like
16:36SPEAKERtheir nice high resolution splash screen
16:37SPEAKERover top of the BIOS.
16:38SPEAKER- It has the equivalent of the Apple ding-daling.
16:41SPEAKER- Right, yeah.
16:41SPEAKERAnd you get that, like because they've dumped
16:43SPEAKERall the real ROMs from all these boards,
16:45SPEAKERyou just get it, you know?
16:46SPEAKERLike I set up, of course I set up a system
16:50SPEAKERwith the exact award BIOS that I grew up with.
16:52SPEAKERSo I can, 'cause I totally remember that BIOS menu, you know?
16:55SPEAKER- That's funny.
16:56SPEAKERSo what are you using this great power for?
16:58SPEAKER- Right now I've only got a DOS 622 Windows 311 image.
17:03SPEAKERSo you make a VHD, you make a virtual hard drive,
17:05SPEAKERand it's really easy to swap those out.
17:07SPEAKERSo like I can easily just make more VHDs
17:10SPEAKERand install other OSs on there.
17:11SPEAKERSo I'll do a Windows 95 one at some point.
17:14SPEAKERI think this thing is good for like up through XP.
17:17SPEAKER- Oh wow, really?
17:17SPEAKER- If you've got the compute, if you've got the CPU power,
17:20SPEAKERbecause it does take quite a bit of heft
17:22SPEAKERto emulate at full speed once you get up into the higher.
17:26SPEAKER- That makes sense.
17:27SPEAKER- I think I might've mentioned this to you.
17:28SPEAKERLike I had a Pentium 200 MMX going
17:30SPEAKERand I was starting to see slowdowns.
17:32SPEAKER- Yeah, for me, this is really interesting
17:34SPEAKER'cause like DOSBox is really good
17:36SPEAKERfor a lot of like pre-Windows DOS games
17:39SPEAKERand even like some Windows 3.1 stuff, I think.
17:41SPEAKERBut then it really, like around the DX2 to DirectX 2 time,
17:45SPEAKERit starts to fall, like nothing emulates DirectX 2 games
17:48SPEAKERor in DirectX 3 games particularly well at this point.
17:51SPEAKER- So yeah, this, getting into this inspired me
17:53SPEAKERto actually go finally learn what DOSBox is at the core.
17:57SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:58SPEAKER- And like what it is is a recreation of DOS.
17:59SPEAKERLike it's kind of a clean room re-implementation of DOS.
18:03SPEAKERIt's a DOS compatible fake DOS.
18:05SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like a series of wrappers, right?
18:07SPEAKER- Right. - Almost.
18:08SPEAKER- Yeah, or I mean, I think it implements like BIOS interrupts
18:11SPEAKERand stuff like that.
18:11SPEAKERLike it's pretty low level,
18:13SPEAKERbut it's not real DOS is the point.
18:14SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
18:15SPEAKER- Like it's recreating the operating system,
18:18SPEAKERwhereas this is recreating hardware
18:20SPEAKERand then you're installing the real operating system
18:21SPEAKERon top of the hardware.
18:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fascinating.
18:24SPEAKER- And so that's why this I presume ultimately
18:27SPEAKERis gonna be a lot more compatible with stuff.
18:28SPEAKERLike I mentioned before, this will do like early Voodoo cards
18:31SPEAKERso you can do rudimentary 3D stuff if you've got the power.
18:34SPEAKERBut, and the other great thing is like, again,
18:37SPEAKERDOSBox just does DOS.
18:38SPEAKERSince this is hardware,
18:39SPEAKERyou can install any operating system on it.
18:41SPEAKERSo we can put OS/2 warp on here and do a warp episode.
18:43SPEAKER- Like you had the fantastic idea,
18:45SPEAKERwhich I really want to pursue of doing a series of episodes
18:48SPEAKERon old operating systems.
18:51SPEAKERI've downloaded installers for OS/2, 3, and 4 warp,
18:56SPEAKERBOS/4 and 5.
18:59SPEAKERWhat else?
19:00SPEAKER- You can play so many videos in those BOS installed.
19:04SPEAKER- Cannot wait to- - Simultaneously.
19:06SPEAKER- I can't wait to play like six videos at the same time.
19:09SPEAKER- I have not tracked down the x86 release of Next Step yet,
19:12SPEAKERbut I have to see that.
19:13SPEAKER- I've never actually used it Next Mission, like I-
19:15SPEAKER- No, I haven't either.
19:16SPEAKER- I had one that I had to maintain briefly,
19:17SPEAKERbut that mainly consisted of going in there
19:20SPEAKERand restarting it when it was jacked up
19:22SPEAKERand blowing dust out of the fans occasionally.
19:24SPEAKERSo.
19:25SPEAKER- Those things are so cool.
19:26SPEAKERAnyway. - Yeah.
19:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I've got like King's Quest 6 and Gabriel Knight
19:30SPEAKERand some stuff installed on here
19:31SPEAKERand I just need to squash this.
19:33SPEAKERI don't know if I have time to swap out
19:34SPEAKERfor a Gravis ultrasound before the stream.
19:36SPEAKER- Oh man, so, okay, so Gravis ultrasound or SB16
19:39SPEAKERwould be the second, would be the other choice.
19:42SPEAKER- Okay, so as you know, what's cool is maybe I should just,
19:45SPEAKERso do you think if I just swap to a Sound Blaster 16,
19:48SPEAKERthe same drivers will just work?
19:50SPEAKER- No, absolutely.
19:51SPEAKERYou're probably- - Damn it.
19:51SPEAKER- A few separate drivers.
19:52SPEAKERNobody had invented, look, nobody had unified drivers then
19:54SPEAKER'cause you had to download them over a modem.
19:56SPEAKERSo they had to be like a meg.
19:58SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
19:59SPEAKERThese came off a CD, but yeah.
20:00SPEAKERI mean, look, if you know,
20:02SPEAKERit's doing all the standard stuff,
20:03SPEAKERlike it's setting the blaster environment variable
20:05SPEAKERand things like that.
20:07SPEAKERSo that might actually be enough now that I think about it.
20:09SPEAKERSo the other cool thing about this thing is like,
20:12SPEAKERI could do MIDI through the fake sound card I put in here,
20:14SPEAKERbut it also has support for stuff
20:15SPEAKERlike Fluidsynth and Munt.
20:18SPEAKERSo like, I just set up Fluidsynth
20:20SPEAKERand then in like old games on Windows,
20:23SPEAKERyou're just directing it to a general MIDI device.
20:25SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
20:26SPEAKER- And 86Box knows- - So it passes through?
20:30SPEAKER- Yes, 86Box knows to intercept like the general MIDI output.
20:33SPEAKER- Holy crap.
20:34SPEAKERThe sound font stuff in like TIE Fighter and X-Wing
20:36SPEAKERis gonna sound fucking amazing if you have synth now.
20:40SPEAKER- You could direct it to Munt,
20:41SPEAKERwhich is a specific Roland MT-32 emulator, but Fluidsynth,
20:44SPEAKERI like Fluidsynth because you can just plug
20:46SPEAKERany sound font into it.
20:48SPEAKERSo I went and found a user-made Roland SE55 sound font
20:53SPEAKERand just plugged that into Fluidsynth
20:54SPEAKERand that sounds amazing too.
20:55SPEAKERYou could also go get a sound font
20:59SPEAKERthat was nothing but different dogs barking
21:00SPEAKERand you could listen to all the music
21:02SPEAKERof your games in dog bark.
21:05SPEAKER- Oh, man.
21:06SPEAKEROkay, so I am like, a few years ago,
21:12SPEAKERa friend of mine was trying to recreate music from,
21:16SPEAKERI can't remember, I think it was Outlaws, maybe?
21:18SPEAKERLike an old Lucas game that used their sound font stuff
21:21SPEAKERand like there was never a soundtrack released for it.
21:23SPEAKER- What was, oh gosh, don't tell me.
21:25SPEAKERThere was a name for the LucasArts music middleware
21:29SPEAKERthat was amazing and I can't remember what that was.
21:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
21:33SPEAKER- Sorry to interrupt.
21:35SPEAKERI don't know if you know what I'm talking about.
21:36SPEAKERIn that era, like the Dark Forces, Outlaws era
21:39SPEAKERof LucasArts games, they had like their own
21:41SPEAKERinternal music playback system.
21:44SPEAKER- It was like a dynamic music generator system
21:46SPEAKERthat was aware of what was going on in the game
21:49SPEAKERand would give you like dramatic music
21:50SPEAKERwhen something was exciting was happening,
21:51SPEAKERchill music when something chill was happening
21:53SPEAKERand it blended them together seamlessly.
21:55SPEAKER- Oh, it was like revolutionary at the time.
21:57SPEAKER- It was very cool and it's something that like,
21:59SPEAKERwe're just kind of getting back.
22:01SPEAKERI mean, okay, some people have been doing it for years.
22:04SPEAKERThere hasn't been, it's hard to do.
22:06SPEAKERIt's still hard to do.
22:08SPEAKER- Yeah.
22:09SPEAKER- But anyway, yeah, I got to go through
22:11SPEAKERsome of the synth stuff for that little project
22:14SPEAKERand it was a lot of fun.
22:16SPEAKERYeah, I would change your sound card out.
22:18SPEAKERI bet your AWE64 is too much,
22:21SPEAKERis drawing is too much work for your little emulated CPU.
22:25SPEAKER- That could be what it is and that's why I mentioned,
22:27SPEAKERso I could just change to a sound listener 16
22:28SPEAKERfor digital audio?
22:29SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I would do.
22:30SPEAKERI would add lib for that matter
22:31SPEAKERand then just use the fluid sense support
22:33SPEAKERI'm already using as general media
22:34SPEAKERand still get the good music.
22:35SPEAKERSo maybe I should do that,
22:36SPEAKERexcept I don't know how to clean the AWE64 drivers out.
22:39SPEAKER- Probably it won't matter.
22:42SPEAKERThere's probably no driver uninstall for Windows 3.1.
22:45SPEAKERI don't know if I ever changed drivers in Windows 3.1.
22:50SPEAKER- I definitely didn't 'cause it's not like you were buying,
22:53SPEAKERI mean, maybe some people were,
22:54SPEAKERbut it's not like we were buying new hardware every day.
22:56SPEAKER- I had to replace a SCSI card one time
22:59SPEAKERwith a different version of a different SCSI card.
23:01SPEAKERI can't remember how we did it though.
23:03SPEAKERIt was a long time ago.
23:04SPEAKER- There is, I mean, if you use this,
23:05SPEAKERthere is absolutely no provision for uninstalling drivers
23:08SPEAKERor replacing hardware.
23:09SPEAKERThere's nothing, no indication whatsoever
23:11SPEAKERof how to get rid of this old stuff
23:13SPEAKERand install something else.
23:13SPEAKER- Well, having the MSI installer stuff
23:16SPEAKERwas a big Windows 95 feature.
23:18SPEAKERLike having the ad remove programs panel,
23:20SPEAKERthat was a big deal.
23:21SPEAKER- Yep, yes, I caught, you're really taking me back now.
23:24SPEAKERI've forgotten.
23:25SPEAKERThat was one of the big deals about Windows 95 was like,
23:28SPEAKERwhat do you mean I can click one button
23:30SPEAKERand entirely get rid of something, assuming it works?
23:32SPEAKER- Yeah, hey, here's a desktop like Mac OS
23:35SPEAKERand also you can get rid of shit
23:36SPEAKERyou don't want on your computer anymore
23:38SPEAKERwithout just deleting folders wholesale.
23:39SPEAKER- So good.
23:42SPEAKERYou should download this.
23:43SPEAKER- You wanna talk about UltraShawl a little bit?
23:44SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:45SPEAKER- So--
23:46SPEAKER- UltraShawl.
23:47SPEAKER- UltraShawl.
23:48SPEAKERSo UltraShawl is apparently very popular in Germany
23:51SPEAKERbecause they only have German documentation.
23:55SPEAKERThe English version of the documentation is all done
23:58SPEAKERvia translate.google.
24:00SPEAKER- Yeah, you sent me that link.
24:02SPEAKERI've never seen that.
24:03SPEAKERI mean, obviously I've seen the sort of like,
24:05SPEAKERChrome will pop up and say,
24:06SPEAKER"Hey, do you wanna translate this page?"
24:07SPEAKEROr you can like right click and do it.
24:08SPEAKERBut like, I didn't know you could fully just translate
24:12SPEAKERby link like that.
24:13SPEAKER- Yeah, it has, basically what they've done
24:17SPEAKERis written as a plugin for Reaper
24:19SPEAKERthat has a ton of like podcast specific tools.
24:25SPEAKERLike matching, syncing and matching.
24:27SPEAKERIt has the ability to record multiple tracks
24:30SPEAKERat the same time,
24:31SPEAKEReither locally or via remote plugin.
24:36SPEAKERSo like we can send a link to a guest
24:39SPEAKERor to you even to the remote recording tool
24:44SPEAKERand it will record.
24:46SPEAKERIt'll pipe through a live version while we're recording.
24:50SPEAKERAnd then at the end of the episode,
24:51SPEAKERwe'll dump the local copy that it recorded
24:55SPEAKERfrom the browser into the project as well.
24:58SPEAKERSo like each remote recording would have two tracks
25:01SPEAKERis what it seems like.
25:02SPEAKERNow, again, the documentation's in German
25:03SPEAKERand I'm figuring it out as I go
25:04SPEAKERand I haven't tested it a whole lot yet.
25:06SPEAKERSo I assume all of the dialogues
25:08SPEAKERand everything are in German as well.
25:10SPEAKER- The dialogues are English for whatever reason.
25:12SPEAKERSo it's only the website that's in the,
25:14SPEAKERand like the facts and stuff that are German.
25:16SPEAKER- Interesting.
25:18SPEAKERBefore I noticed that you had sent me a translated link,
25:20SPEAKERI was going through,
25:21SPEAKER'cause they have a nicely designed webpage
25:22SPEAKERthat describes all the features
25:23SPEAKERand there were phrases around there
25:26SPEAKERthat were just like, "Need X feature?
25:27SPEAKER"We have got you covered."
25:29SPEAKERAnd I was like, "No, that doesn't sound natural at all."
25:31SPEAKERNow that I know that it was machine translated.
25:34SPEAKER- Yeah, well, it looks like they're doing a thing
25:38SPEAKERwhere it like, you can say,
25:43SPEAKER"Hey, this translation isn't great."
25:44SPEAKERAnd write a new translation if you want.
25:47SPEAKER- Oh, interesting. - Highlight certain text.
25:49SPEAKERIt's an interesting experience.
25:52SPEAKERBut yeah, it seems like the one thing
25:56SPEAKERthat we don't have right now,
25:57SPEAKER'cause we use two different programs to do the project,
26:01SPEAKERis the ability to make notes in real time,
26:04SPEAKERmarkers and notes in real time on the recording.
26:06SPEAKERLike when you coughed a minute ago,
26:08SPEAKERit would be nice to make a marker there
26:09SPEAKERso I can just skip to that part and cut that out
26:11SPEAKERand put it back in.
26:12SPEAKER- Apologies if I ended up leaving me
26:14SPEAKERclearing my throat in here, apologies.
26:16SPEAKERI don't know if I'll be able to find that easily or not,
26:18SPEAKERbut we could, yeah, what you're describing,
26:21SPEAKERwe could do notes on our own individual ends,
26:24SPEAKERbut then once you merge them into a project,
26:26SPEAKERit's not easy to maintain those.
26:27SPEAKER- Yeah, as soon as you trim the beginning,
26:29SPEAKERthen that all becomes useless.
26:30SPEAKERAnd also your notes time codes and my notes time codes
26:33SPEAKERwill be wildly different.
26:34SPEAKER- Right.
26:35SPEAKER- So yeah, it uses Studio Link for the remote recording.
26:37SPEAKER- Okay, I was gonna ask what it was doing
26:39SPEAKERon the network backend for that.
26:41SPEAKERI've never heard of Studio Link.
26:43SPEAKER- I've used Studio Link to guest
26:44SPEAKERon some other podcasts before.
26:46SPEAKERSo they do all the audio compression
26:49SPEAKERand the loudness managing automatically
26:52SPEAKERfor podcast standards.
26:55SPEAKERSo we wouldn't have to use Levelator at that point anymore.
26:59SPEAKERIt'll let you stream online, stream live recordings
27:02SPEAKERif you wanna do that.
27:03SPEAKERI don't think we wanna get into that business,
27:04SPEAKERbut that's a possibility.
27:08SPEAKERIt does all the chapter markers and all that stuff.
27:13SPEAKERThere's sound, like we can play our music,
27:15SPEAKERwe can load up our music and do sound boards
27:16SPEAKERduring the record.
27:17SPEAKERSo that's just baked in if we want
27:19SPEAKERon a different track so we can duck it
27:20SPEAKERand all the stuff that we like to do.
27:22SPEAKER- Man, this sounds cool.
27:24SPEAKERIt looks cool.
27:26SPEAKERI will say the one time I fired up Reaper,
27:28SPEAKERI was so intimidated that granted I needed
27:30SPEAKERto get something done very quickly,
27:31SPEAKERbut like Reaper is a lot to take in.
27:33SPEAKER- I mean, it's funny because unlike say photo editors,
27:37SPEAKERwhich have evolved to have a standard kind of metaphor
27:41SPEAKERfor work, audio editors and DAWs and stuff
27:43SPEAKERstill seem to all do their own thing.
27:45SPEAKERAnd Reaper is very different than Audition or Audacity
27:48SPEAKERor any of the other things that I've used in the past.
27:50SPEAKER- Yeah, to be clear, I imagine Reaper is no more complicated
27:54SPEAKERthan any other fully featured DAW.
27:56SPEAKERIt's just that I've never used one period.
27:58SPEAKERSo it's kind of, there seems like a learning curve.
28:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but anyway, I'm gonna keep experimenting with it.
28:03SPEAKERI think I'm gonna do some tests this weekend
28:06SPEAKERand maybe try recording my end of the next episode in it.
28:09SPEAKER- That sounds- - Of our next episode.
28:11SPEAKER- Yeah, we should try that thing.
28:12SPEAKERThat sounds promising.
28:13SPEAKERAnd it is a commercial add-on, right?
28:16SPEAKER- So the add-on is open source.
28:18SPEAKER- Oh, I could have sworn, I thought I saw,
28:20SPEAKERI know Reaper is a commercial product.
28:23SPEAKER- Reaper is commercial, but it's only like,
28:26SPEAKERit's like 50 euros or 80 euros or something like that.
28:28SPEAKERSo it's very cheap by DAW standards.
28:30SPEAKER- It's not, it's not expensive.
28:33SPEAKER- But yeah, it's, oh, also they record and save and flack.
28:40SPEAKER- I saw that, I saw that. - I knew you'd like that.
28:43SPEAKER- I saw that.
28:43SPEAKERI'm also seeing more and more people who,
28:45SPEAKERsome of whom I even know previously to have vocally
28:49SPEAKERnot cared about audio compression
28:51SPEAKERnow getting into lossless.
28:53SPEAKER- Space got real cheap all of a sudden.
28:55SPEAKER- Space got real cheap.
28:56SPEAKERThat's why I've been pushing this for years.
28:57SPEAKERIt's like, hey, we've got the space now
28:59SPEAKERto just do everything lossless.
29:00SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
29:02SPEAKERSo yeah, that's, that's ultra shall.
29:05SPEAKERThey're on the fifth rev of it now.
29:06SPEAKERIt looks really cool.
29:08SPEAKERI kind of wish the documentation was in English,
29:12SPEAKERbut it seems like I can figure it out.
29:15SPEAKERAnd there's a pretty good community around it,
29:16SPEAKERbut it seems like it's mostly used by German podcasters,
29:19SPEAKERlike, which is funny because I would, you know,
29:22SPEAKERpodcasting is very popular in Germany, I guess, so.
29:24SPEAKER- Sure.
29:28SPEAKERWhat do we cover next?
29:29SPEAKER- Do you want to go item to item on my background?
29:32SPEAKER- Sure.
29:33SPEAKER- Should I zoom out so you can see the whole thing?
29:35SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
29:36SPEAKEROh, were you, were you digitally zooming in?
29:37SPEAKER- Well, I have a, it's a high res camera, so yes,
29:40SPEAKERbut I'm not losing anything.
29:42SPEAKER- Let me, God, what did you do that with?
29:45SPEAKER- The control panel for the, I use a lot,
29:48SPEAKERone of those Elgato face cams.
29:49SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
29:50SPEAKERIt's got stuff built in.
29:51SPEAKER- It's got a, it lets me zoom with the control panel, yeah.
29:54SPEAKER- Yeah, cause you're, you're doing it basically in real time
29:56SPEAKERand something like OBS would be a lot clunkier too.
29:59SPEAKERWow, look at that.
30:00SPEAKERYou're just like very Wayne's world,
30:01SPEAKERextreme close-up right now.
30:04SPEAKERYeah, you ditched your green screen, which like,
30:06SPEAKERI didn't really mind your weird digital background before,
30:10SPEAKERbut I'm kind of into what you have going on now.
30:12SPEAKER- Well, so I came home, I had torn down the entire desk
30:15SPEAKERto go and I made a big mess of it cause I was in a hurry
30:17SPEAKERand I didn't have time to do it like in a tidy way.
30:19SPEAKERAnd I was looking at it when I got back on Sunday morning
30:22SPEAKERand I was like, oh God, I'm going to, I have to just,
30:25SPEAKERthis is a complete, I've got desk bankruptcy here.
30:29SPEAKERAnd then I looked at the pile of the reusable zip ties
30:33SPEAKERand I was like, huh, reasonable zip ties is pretty good.
30:36SPEAKERAnd they, they're like, they're better than Velcro ties
30:39SPEAKERbecause they don't collect dust.
30:41SPEAKER- True, oh God, there's nothing worse than trying to dust
30:44SPEAKERwith a duster and having it get caught up
30:46SPEAKERin your Velcro zip ties, I hate it.
30:47SPEAKER- Well, and the Velcro zip ties get all munged up
30:49SPEAKERand gross after a while too.
30:52SPEAKERSo, but they're still, you can open and close them
30:55SPEAKERand even better, you can kind of leave them loose enough
30:57SPEAKERthat you can slide a cable through
30:58SPEAKERwithout having to cinch them all the way down.
31:00SPEAKER- That's the way to go.
31:01SPEAKER- And I got the baskets on the back of the desk
31:03SPEAKERand I got the, you know, the cable blocks.
31:06SPEAKER- Man, you're living the tidy life, tidy desk life.
31:09SPEAKER- I'll send you a picture of the back.
31:11SPEAKERIt's all wired nice and pretty except I'm waiting
31:14SPEAKERon the last cable to come today.
31:15SPEAKER- Those look nice.
31:17SPEAKER- But yeah, so I was like, what if I turn the,
31:20SPEAKER'cause I've been thinking about putting a shelf up
31:22SPEAKERbehind the green screen where the green screen is
31:24SPEAKERand like having some cool, like some Lego
31:28SPEAKERand shit on the shelf, like, you know, your normal,
31:30SPEAKERnormal stream backgrounds, right?
31:32SPEAKER- Yeah.
31:33SPEAKER- And then I looked at the room and I was like, you know,
31:36SPEAKERthere's a wall right behind where my desk is to the,
31:39SPEAKERI just rotate the desk 90 degrees
31:41SPEAKERand put it out of the wall.
31:43SPEAKERThen I'll have a wall in the background
31:44SPEAKERand then I can just put shelves
31:46SPEAKERon the other side of the room to store stuff.
31:48SPEAKER- Okay, this is gonna be meaningless
31:50SPEAKERto anybody who has never been in that room.
31:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
31:52SPEAKER- But did you rotate it 90 degrees to the right
31:53SPEAKERfrom where it was?
31:54SPEAKER- I rotated it 90, so basically if you walk in the door now,
31:58SPEAKERthe desk is the first thing on your left.
32:00SPEAKERIt's like a wall of monitors on the left
32:02SPEAKERwhen you come through the door.
32:03SPEAKER- Okay.
32:04SPEAKER- The downside is I don't have any space
32:05SPEAKERfor VR shit anymore in here.
32:07SPEAKERSo I have to do VR in the living room, but that's fine.
32:09SPEAKERYeah, also I don't do all that much VR anymore, it turns out.
32:12SPEAKER- Fair, fair.
32:12SPEAKER- I play Beat Saber, but I do that
32:14SPEAKERon the bad people headset in the living room,
32:17SPEAKERusually if I do that.
32:18SPEAKER- So there's a handful of things in your,
32:20SPEAKERfirst of all, have you debuted this new backdrop?
32:22SPEAKER- It's been on the stream this week, yeah.
32:23SPEAKER- Okay, okay, so people can go see it.
32:25SPEAKERThere is one thing I've really--
32:26SPEAKER- Twitch.tv/notthatwillsmith.
32:28SPEAKER- Yes, premiere Fortnite streams.
32:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm the number one Fortnite streamer over 47,
32:35SPEAKERit seems.
32:35SPEAKER- I would believe that, actually.
32:38SPEAKERThere's one thing on the wall
32:39SPEAKERthat I really wanna talk about,
32:40SPEAKERwe can go through some other stuff,
32:41SPEAKERbut that little animated pixel art sign, I need to know.
32:44SPEAKER- Yeah, so my friend Jeremy Williams made those.
32:46SPEAKERThat's the game frame.
32:48SPEAKER- The game frame, is that something you can buy?
32:51SPEAKER- I don't think you can buy them anymore.
32:52SPEAKERHe did that in like 2012, probably, or 2013.
32:57SPEAKERIt was an early Kickstarter,
32:59SPEAKERand it's a 16 by 16 pixel display.
33:04SPEAKERSo you literally, each pixel is one LED on a grid.
33:09SPEAKERAnd he has a, there's a, in front of each LED,
33:14SPEAKERthere's a, it's like a screen door type thing.
33:18SPEAKERIt's like a three quarters of an inch
33:19SPEAKERby three quarters of an inch hole.
33:21SPEAKERAnd then there's a piece of vellum
33:22SPEAKERor something on the front
33:23SPEAKERthat kind of diffuses the light from the LED.
33:25SPEAKERSo each LED ends up being lit really cleanly.
33:28SPEAKERAnd it looks like a big 16 by 16 display.
33:33SPEAKERI encouraged Jeremy to find a way
33:37SPEAKERto do one that was like NES resolution
33:40SPEAKERthat you could hook an NES up to and play NES games on
33:43SPEAKERthat would be like the size of a wall.
33:45SPEAKER- I was gonna say,
33:46SPEAKERyou mean with the same size pixels as that one?
33:47SPEAKER- Same size pixels as this one, yeah.
33:49SPEAKER- That thing is 16 by 16,
33:50SPEAKERand I'm guessing like, it's hard to tell,
33:52SPEAKERlike what, maybe a foot diagonal or something?
33:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like 12 inches, I think.
33:55SPEAKER10 or 12 inches.
33:56SPEAKER- So you can imagine full NES resolution
33:58SPEAKERwith pixels of that size would be pretty big.
34:00SPEAKERIt would be like, I was like,
34:03SPEAKERyou should get somebody to pay for this
34:04SPEAKERand get the Exploratorium to put it in
34:06SPEAKERand it's an exhibit or something like that, yeah.
34:08SPEAKER- That would be so cool.
34:09SPEAKERI have found, not on Kickstarter,
34:11SPEAKERon a site called LedSec, L-E-D-E-S-E-Q.com.
34:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:15SPEAKER- I found the page for this thing,
34:16SPEAKERbut yes, game frame is officially sold out.
34:18SPEAKERSadly, I don't have plans for another run.
34:20SPEAKERThat's very sad to me.
34:21SPEAKER- There are a bunch of, so part of the problem,
34:24SPEAKERand I haven't talked to Jeremy,
34:25SPEAKERmy assumption is that after he did this,
34:28SPEAKERa bunch of Chinese companies immediately knocked him off.
34:31SPEAKER- Okay.
34:32SPEAKER- You can get things that are very similar to this now.
34:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I would believe it.
34:35SPEAKERIt looks great and I don't know where you're,
34:37SPEAKERthat's the other question I was gonna ask,
34:39SPEAKERwhere you're getting this feed of animation
34:40SPEAKERbecause you've got all kinds of like,
34:42SPEAKERI saw Qbert in there and there's an animation
34:44SPEAKERof like Ms. Pac-Man ghosts going one way
34:46SPEAKERand then Ms. Pac-Man come along
34:48SPEAKERand chases them the other way.
34:49SPEAKERIt looks awesome.
34:50SPEAKER- Yeah, some of it is just actually the original animations
34:54SPEAKER'cause it reads a bunch of different file formats.
34:58SPEAKERBut you can, basically if you go into his LedSec page,
35:05SPEAKERthere was a forum where people shared stuff that they made
35:09SPEAKERand you could just download it.
35:11SPEAKERSo there's a version, he did two runs of it.
35:14SPEAKERThe second one has wifi.
35:15SPEAKERI think the first one you could hack wifi into
35:17SPEAKERto dump new files on.
35:19SPEAKERBut I just have the SD card plugged in there
35:21SPEAKERand dump new files on the SD card occasionally.
35:25SPEAKERBut E-Boy did a bunch of pixel art for it
35:29SPEAKERas part of the Kickstarter and it was really cool.
35:34SPEAKERIt's one of my favorite projects.
35:35SPEAKERI'm glad I can show it where people can see it again.
35:38SPEAKER- I just clicked on those E-Boy links
35:40SPEAKERand they no longer exist.
35:41SPEAKERSo this has been a while.
35:42SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been like 10 years probably at this point.
35:46SPEAKER- The GitHub source is still up for the software end of it.
35:48SPEAKER- Probably the images are on the GitHub too if I had to guess.
35:51SPEAKER- But coming by the hardware,
35:53SPEAKERI might have to look for something similar
35:54SPEAKERother than I would just be aping your style
35:56SPEAKERand that's not cool.
35:57SPEAKER- That's fine.
35:58SPEAKERSo there's a place that...
36:01SPEAKERGod, what's a tablet for pixel art creation?
36:05SPEAKERI talked, Cabel Sasser from Panic,
36:10SPEAKERmakers of the Playdate,
36:12SPEAKERhad tweeted this thing years and years ago
36:17SPEAKERthat it's made in China and it is a 16 by 32 tablet
36:23SPEAKERfor creating pixel art.
36:26SPEAKERIt's like a hardware device for creating pixel art,
36:28SPEAKERanimated pixel art for kids.
36:30SPEAKERIt's a toy, is really, really cool.
36:33SPEAKERAnd I've never managed to find them.
36:34SPEAKERThey sell out almost immediately when they put them online.
36:36SPEAKERI can't remember what it's called.
36:40SPEAKERBut yeah, those folks also make a ton
36:44SPEAKERof really neatly integrated pixel art screens
36:48SPEAKERthat are either like photo frame shape
36:50SPEAKERor sometimes they're the shape of like a little TV
36:51SPEAKERand they're like all good, like really nice plastic,
36:54SPEAKERlike good art around the screen
36:57SPEAKERso that it is not a weird look.
37:01SPEAKER- Sure, you are right.
37:03SPEAKERI am pretty rapidly finding like pretty low cost versions
37:06SPEAKERof this, like 50 bucks.
37:09SPEAKERAnd they appear to be fully wireless now.
37:10SPEAKERI guess they run off of battery.
37:11SPEAKER- Yeah, so one of the big things that happened
37:14SPEAKERbetween the time Jeremy did this and now
37:16SPEAKERis that the RGB LED,
37:18SPEAKERlike the individually controlled RGB LEDs
37:21SPEAKERstopped drawing as much power.
37:23SPEAKERI think he said, I think when we figured out
37:25SPEAKERwhat it would take to run an NES scale version of this,
37:29SPEAKERit was like, they'd have to put two-phase power in there.
37:32SPEAKER- Huh.
37:34SPEAKER- And it would generate a shitload of heat.
37:36SPEAKERThe newer versions aren't as much of a problem.
37:43SPEAKERThey generate a lot less heat.
37:47SPEAKEROkay, what else you got?
37:50SPEAKERLet's see, how about, so that isn't, well.
37:53SPEAKEROh, before we move on from your background.
37:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:56SPEAKER- One other thing.
37:57SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:58SPEAKER- Up there.
37:58SPEAKERWell, hang on, what is that handwritten list or note?
38:00SPEAKER- That's a note written by my daughter
38:02SPEAKERwhen she first was learning how to write it.
38:03SPEAKERIt's a little poem about her dad and me
38:05SPEAKERthat she wrote for Father's Day, I think one year.
38:08SPEAKERI can't remember.
38:09SPEAKER- I figured it was something like that.
38:10SPEAKERThat's a good thing to frame.
38:10SPEAKER- It's personal.
38:12SPEAKER- That exploded iPhone, I forget the name of the company
38:14SPEAKERthat makes those, but you've got one.
38:16SPEAKER- Grid makes those and they do exploded old electronics.
38:20SPEAKERIt's like their way of electronics recycling.
38:22SPEAKERSo they do, they dismantle old Game Boys
38:26SPEAKERand Game Boy colors and stuff like that.
38:28SPEAKERAnd then they mounted it on a really lovely frame
38:32SPEAKERwith little captions and notes that tell you
38:35SPEAKERwhat exactly each piece is and all that.
38:38SPEAKERAnd they reached out to me, full disclosure,
38:39SPEAKERthey reached out to me when they were launching
38:42SPEAKERand were like, hey, we would love for you
38:43SPEAKERto talk about this and see if you think it's cool
38:46SPEAKERand sent me one.
38:47SPEAKERThey asked me what I wanted and I was like I would really,
38:52SPEAKERfor me, the moment that the iPhone went from being
38:55SPEAKERlike a neat novelty to a must-have really important computer
39:01SPEAKERwas the iPhone 4, so I asked for an iPhone 4.
39:03SPEAKER- It's pretty small in this video window,
39:05SPEAKERbut I had a feeling that was an iPhone 4.
39:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that was also the first one I reviewed and tested.
39:10SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.
39:11SPEAKERI feel like the 3G might be the one for me
39:14SPEAKERwhere it went from like, oh, smartphones seem like
39:17SPEAKERthey might be cool too, oh my God, this is changing my life.
39:20SPEAKER- I mean, I don't think you're wrong.
39:22SPEAKERI think that was, as soon as they had apps,
39:25SPEAKERit kind of opened the door for that.
39:26SPEAKERBut for me, it was, with 4, we had real notifications
39:30SPEAKERand the camera was finally good enough to actually use.
39:35SPEAKERLike there was an inflection point with the 4.
39:38SPEAKER- Yeah, and the high DPI screens also.
39:42SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:43SPEAKER- That was a big deal.
39:44SPEAKER- For me, I distinctly remember the first time I was out
39:47SPEAKERwith my new 3G and needed to navigate somewhere
39:50SPEAKERand did it on the spot.
39:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:52SPEAKER- Like it was some combination of like,
39:54SPEAKERI'm gonna look up the place I need to find
39:55SPEAKERand now there's the phone number and I can just tap that
39:57SPEAKERand call them if I need to, or I can click here
39:59SPEAKERand just see a map in real time of how to get there.
40:02SPEAKERAnd it was just like, okay,
40:03SPEAKERlife is never going to be the same, is it?
40:05SPEAKER- Well, yeah, the 4 was also the one that when you,
40:12SPEAKERI remember before the 4,
40:13SPEAKERwhen you were on like the BART or Muni platform,
40:16SPEAKERtrying to, waiting for a train or whatever,
40:17SPEAKERand you saw like one person using your phone,
40:19SPEAKERyou're like, hey man, I'm with you, I got a phone.
40:21SPEAKERAnd then after the 4 came out,
40:23SPEAKERby June of the year the 4 came out,
40:25SPEAKERor the June of the year after the 4 came out,
40:28SPEAKERit was basically just like every single person
40:32SPEAKERat the train station was carrying a phone all the time.
40:34SPEAKERLike it was shocking.
40:37SPEAKER- Sure.
40:39SPEAKERThat's fair.
40:41SPEAKERAll right, how about the tidbit is a different screen
40:45SPEAKERthan the one we were just talking about, is that correct?
40:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so the tidbit is an internet connected,
40:49SPEAKERit's like a pixel display for data.
40:53SPEAKER- T-I-D-B-Y-T.
40:54SPEAKER- T-I-D-B-Y-T.
40:55SPEAKERI ordered one ages ago and it came while we were gone.
41:00SPEAKER- Oh, that looks cool.
41:02SPEAKER- It's like a higher density pixel display.
41:04SPEAKER- Oh man.
41:06SPEAKER- And you can pass stuff to it with like rest commands
41:09SPEAKERand stuff like that.
41:10SPEAKERIt's pretty straightforward to send data to.
41:13SPEAKERI got it 'cause I was like, I'm gonna make an on air
41:17SPEAKERor like in meeting sign to put outside my door
41:20SPEAKERso that the folks know not to bang on the door
41:24SPEAKERwhen I'm doing something important.
41:27SPEAKERBut yeah, I don't know what I'm gonna do with it.
41:31SPEAKERSo it can do, like right now,
41:33SPEAKERI was thinking it does air quality stuff,
41:34SPEAKERwhich is kind of useful in Northern California these days,
41:37SPEAKERit turns out.
41:39SPEAKERSo I don't know.
41:40SPEAKERI don't know what I'm gonna do with it,
41:41SPEAKERbut I thought it was really cool and it just takes power.
41:45SPEAKERSo, and it's like USB power.
41:47SPEAKERSo you can run it off of a battery if you want.
41:49SPEAKER- T-I-D-B-Y-T.com if you wanna see what that looks like.
41:51SPEAKERI wonder if you could, could you bring up,
41:53SPEAKERI assume you've done some of this work already,
41:55SPEAKERif you could bring up home assistant to detect like,
41:57SPEAKERhey, if I'm live on Twitch or I'm in a video call,
42:00SPEAKERI don't know if you could connect it to like Zoom
42:01SPEAKERand Jitsy and stuff like that.
42:02SPEAKERBut like, if any one of these things is true,
42:05SPEAKERmake the screen say like, hey, hot mic, don't come in.
42:08SPEAKER- So video call, you can absolute, Twitch is done.
42:12SPEAKERLike that's how my lights turn on
42:14SPEAKERwhen I start a Twitch stream.
42:15SPEAKERThe video call, I hadn't thought about doing it
42:18SPEAKERfrom the provider side.
42:20SPEAKERRight now I had previously, when I was working on Foo,
42:23SPEAKERI had hooked up to my Foo work calendar,
42:26SPEAKERmy meeting calendar.
42:27SPEAKER- That would work, yeah.
42:28SPEAKER- But now that we use Outlook at Stray Bomb Bay,
42:30SPEAKERso it's like now I have four different calendars
42:33SPEAKERand it was a little more complicated
42:34SPEAKERand I haven't bothered to update that yet.
42:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that would rely on you keeping your calendar
42:38SPEAKERup to date, obviously.
42:39SPEAKER- My calendar has to be up to date or I will die.
42:41SPEAKER- If you could just rig it right into the video calls,
42:44SPEAKERthen any impromptu chat would also get caught.
42:50SPEAKERYou should set that up.
42:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:53SPEAKER- I may have to, damn it,
42:55SPEAKERI might have to buy a small screen.
42:57SPEAKERI don't know which one, but these are so cool.
42:59SPEAKER- Like the one, so there's another small screen on my desk.
43:03SPEAKERI have a Google Home, one of those Google Nest screens,
43:07SPEAKERthe little ones that has a rolling screen of pictures
43:13SPEAKERfrom my Google Photos account, which I really love.
43:16SPEAKERBut yeah, I don't know what to do with this.
43:20SPEAKERThis is complicated.
43:23SPEAKER- Life finds a way and so does data.
43:25SPEAKER- Yeah, and then let's see, other stuff in the background.
43:28SPEAKERThere's a blockhead cutout that Norm and Danica,
43:31SPEAKERhis partner made years ago and a drawing of Mario
43:35SPEAKERthat my daughter made when she was like three.
43:37SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a nice, and I like, it's a nice, tasteful,
43:41SPEAKERit's not a maroon.
43:42SPEAKERWhat is that shade of red?
43:44SPEAKER- It's like a dark red, it's a maroon.
43:45SPEAKERIt's close to a maroon.
43:46SPEAKER- A burgundy, maybe more?
43:47SPEAKER- Crimson, maybe.
43:48SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, I just, nice color scheme, nice display.
43:52SPEAKER- There's a dead spot below Mario that needs a little,
43:55SPEAKERI figure you gotta figure out what to put in there.
43:57SPEAKEROh, and the picture of the blue bird on my left
44:01SPEAKERis one of Mike Mitchell's fat birds.
44:03SPEAKERMike's a good friend of mine and he does,
44:06SPEAKERhe's done a, he does a series of birds.
44:08SPEAKER- That's nice, that's nice.
44:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
44:11SPEAKER- I like what you got going on.
44:12SPEAKER- Thank you.
44:13SPEAKER- Okay, is that it for you?
44:14SPEAKERI think that's it for you.
44:16SPEAKERStream Deck XL.
44:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I just need help with buttons.
44:20SPEAKER- Like what to put on?
44:21SPEAKER- I want people to tell me what to use buttons for.
44:24SPEAKERI've hooked it up to Home Assistant, which is awesome.
44:26SPEAKER- Real quick before we get into that,
44:28SPEAKERthe XL, is that the middle one now?
44:30SPEAKERIs that the--
44:31SPEAKER- No, that sells the big one.
44:33SPEAKER- Wait, is it?
44:33SPEAKER- It's five, four by eight, so it's 32 buttons.
44:39SPEAKER- So what was the middle one that they introduced
44:41SPEAKERa little while back?
44:41SPEAKER- They just did a new rev of it with a built-in stand.
44:44SPEAKER- Oh, there's still only two sizes?
44:45SPEAKER- There's three.
44:46SPEAKERSo there's one that's six buttons.
44:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
44:48SPEAKER- So, okay, I made some choices.
44:51SPEAKERI was like, I need to have one,
44:53SPEAKER'cause they only can be hooked up to one computer at a time.
44:55SPEAKERAnd it makes more sense for the main one
44:58SPEAKERto be hooked up to my stream computer
45:00SPEAKERbecause of the way I work.
45:03SPEAKERI had the three by five one before, which was fine.
45:06SPEAKERI had folders and all that.
45:07SPEAKERI had a bunch of folders and clicked into different folders
45:09SPEAKERfor the different things I did,
45:10SPEAKERlike whether it was, you know, whatever.
45:12SPEAKERI wanted one that I can control lights
45:15SPEAKERand have like a mute button on my microphone
45:18SPEAKERthat was hooked up to the main PC for like what we're doing.
45:20SPEAKERLike right now, I'm not using the stream PC.
45:23SPEAKERThe mic is going through the main PC.
45:26SPEAKERAnd having a cough button, it turns out,
45:27SPEAKERwhen you record podcasts a lot, is very useful.
45:29SPEAKER- It is, yeah.
45:30SPEAKER- So I was just gonna buy one of the six button ones.
45:34SPEAKERAnd then I was like, it's stupid to buy a six button one.
45:37SPEAKERI'm just gonna buy the big one and move my other one down.
45:41SPEAKERAnd like, I immediately found things to do with the hot,
45:44SPEAKERlike I have hotkeys for Premiere and hotkeys for Audacity
45:47SPEAKERand hotkeys for Audition and, you know,
45:49SPEAKERthe different stuff I use on the one
45:51SPEAKERthat's connected to the main PC.
45:52SPEAKERSo it's nice to have more than just six buttons there.
45:55SPEAKERI don't know, I had like 15 buttons in use
45:59SPEAKERand I had all that stuff in folders.
46:01SPEAKERAnd so now I have a bunch of folders on the big one.
46:04SPEAKERAnd I would just like,
46:07SPEAKERI would like people to help me figure out stupid shit
46:09SPEAKERI can do on my stream now that I have a bazillion buttons.
46:11SPEAKER- Whether it's stupid or useful.
46:13SPEAKER- Both, probably.
46:14SPEAKER- Or, yeah, ideally stupid and useful.
46:16SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
46:18SPEAKER- Let's see.
46:19SPEAKERSo I embarrassingly have had a stream deck
46:21SPEAKERfor quite some time and have never actually hooked it up.
46:23SPEAKER- You need to hook it up for the cough button, dude.
46:25SPEAKER- I really should.
46:26SPEAKERWell, I would also don't know on the software end
46:29SPEAKERhow I would set that up.
46:30SPEAKERLike, would I tell Windows. - Your Windows hardware
46:32SPEAKERaudio source.
46:33SPEAKER- I'll tell Windows to just mute that recording device?
46:36SPEAKEROkay. - Yeah.
46:36SPEAKER- That'll necessitate recording in Windows again.
46:38SPEAKERI'm still recording on Mac.
46:39SPEAKER- Well, you can plug it into the Mac.
46:40SPEAKERIt has Mac software too.
46:41SPEAKERIt works exactly the same way there.
46:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:43SPEAKERThe goal is to get everything back on Windows.
46:45SPEAKERI put the, I probably should have put this on the list.
46:47SPEAKERI put a new power supply in this PC
46:49SPEAKERand it seems like all of my stability issues
46:51SPEAKERhave evaporated.
46:53SPEAKER- It's the prophecy was fulfilled.
46:54SPEAKER- It's everything seems fine now.
46:56SPEAKERI've been running like 3DMark and a bunch of game benchmarks
47:00SPEAKERand like anything else I can think of to stress like.
47:02SPEAKER- You're not even gonna have to upgrade that computer
47:03SPEAKERthis year, you can wait another year,
47:04SPEAKERwait until the AM6 stuff comes out.
47:06SPEAKER- Been putting load on the CPU and the GPU
47:08SPEAKERat the same time.
47:09SPEAKERNothing has gone wrong.
47:10SPEAKERIt's been great.
47:11SPEAKERAlso, the rumor is that we are like barely a month out
47:15SPEAKERfrom the launch of those new horizons.
47:17SPEAKEROoh, at this point.
47:18SPEAKERAnyway, we'll see how that stuff goes.
47:21SPEAKERI lost track of what I was talking about.
47:22SPEAKERThe stream deck.
47:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
47:24SPEAKER- One of the things, if I ever set that stream deck up,
47:26SPEAKERone of the things I wanna do
47:27SPEAKERis I've talked about my dumb little monitor input CLI.
47:32SPEAKER- You could bind that to that, for sure.
47:34SPEAKER- Which takes advantage of.
47:37SPEAKERControl your monitor.
47:42SPEAKERThat's the one.
47:44SPEAKERYeah, yeah.
47:45SPEAKERI would hook buttons up to those options
47:48SPEAKERand just be able to like switch inputs on both monitors
47:51SPEAKERat will by pressing a button,
47:52SPEAKERwhich would be amazing.
47:53SPEAKER- Yeah, dude.
47:54SPEAKERI have mine set up to switch scene, run automations
47:59SPEAKERto trigger automations on home assistant.
48:01SPEAKER- Oh man, setting it up with some home assistant stuff
48:04SPEAKERwould be pretty awesome.
48:05SPEAKERI mean, I've got that on my phone already, but.
48:07SPEAKER- But it's having a button, it turns out, way better.
48:10SPEAKERI need to, I need to do,
48:13SPEAKERI need to figure out how to control my mixer
48:16SPEAKERacross the network with it.
48:17SPEAKER'Cause I can control a MIDI device
48:18SPEAKERthat's connected directly to it, but I can't control.
48:21SPEAKERI don't know how to control a MIDI device
48:22SPEAKERthat's connected across the network right now.
48:24SPEAKERAnd I gotta figure that out.
48:26SPEAKERBut yeah, like, I don't know.
48:29SPEAKERI made a hot key to make my face real big.
48:33SPEAKER- Good, great.
48:33SPEAKER- On the stream, 'cause I figured that's always good.
48:35SPEAKERI need some like alpha blended fire to put up maybe.
48:39SPEAKERThink about something, yes.
48:41SPEAKERWhat would Vinny have done in like 2012
48:43SPEAKERis where I'm going.
48:44SPEAKER- Sure.
48:46SPEAKERI'll think on it.
48:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
48:48SPEAKER- Maybe I should get my stream deck out.
48:49SPEAKER- You should plug your stream deck in.
48:50SPEAKER- Just how do I reconcile?
48:52SPEAKERLike you were telling me right before this,
48:54SPEAKERlike you should get a compressor
48:55SPEAKERto put in your recording chain.
48:56SPEAKERAnd I'm like, I cannot take more boxes around here.
48:59SPEAKER- Software, you do a software compressor.
49:00SPEAKER- Yeah, if I can, I need to start going through VSTs
49:03SPEAKER'cause I need to, for audio processing,
49:05SPEAKERif I can do it with a plugin, I'm gonna do that
49:07SPEAKERinstead of buying yet another device.
49:09SPEAKERBut I just, space for more boxes is getting low.
49:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say,
49:15SPEAKERif we switch to using Reaper and use that remote stuff,
49:17SPEAKERthen it'll just work itself out.
49:18SPEAKER- Oh, sure, I mean from stream deck though,
49:20SPEAKERI just gotta, like it's,
49:22SPEAKERI guess I could just get it out whenever I need it,
49:25SPEAKERplug it in and that's also kind of a pain.
49:27SPEAKER- Okay, so the stream deck,
49:28SPEAKERthe way I do it is I have it nanotaped to the desk
49:32SPEAKERunderneath the monitor way back in the back.
49:34SPEAKERSo I have to kind of reach for it.
49:36SPEAKERBut then the cable is a straight line back
49:38SPEAKERand it goes into one of those cable blocks
49:39SPEAKERand then it goes into the basket underneath
49:41SPEAKERand I never see it.
49:42SPEAKER- Fair, okay.
49:43SPEAKER- Yeah, the secret, honestly,
49:45SPEAKERthe best thing about this whole desk deal that I've done
49:48SPEAKERis getting double-sided foam tape
49:50SPEAKERand sticking a power strip and a USB hub
49:54SPEAKERdirectly to the underside of the monitor.
49:56SPEAKER'Cause then I don't have any,
49:58SPEAKERlike there's no bullshit.
50:00SPEAKERLike there's no cable,
50:01SPEAKERthere's only one cable that comes down.
50:02SPEAKEROh, I forgot about the best thing.
50:04SPEAKER- Under mounts, what is it?
50:05SPEAKER- I got a cable track thing since for the,
50:09SPEAKERthat works with the desk that goes up and down.
50:11SPEAKERSo since I have the standing sitting desk,
50:14SPEAKERI got a cable dealy.
50:18SPEAKERHold on, let me go cable.
50:21SPEAKER- That's interesting to hear
50:22SPEAKER'cause that's the biggest thing that stops me
50:24SPEAKERfrom getting a standing desk
50:25SPEAKERis I've got so much stuff wired into the back of this desk
50:27SPEAKERthat dealing with having enough slack on everything
50:30SPEAKERthat it can move up and down that much
50:32SPEAKERwould be pretty tough.
50:33SPEAKER- Well, so, okay.
50:34SPEAKERSo part A, putting the USB cord on there,
50:39SPEAKERa USB hub on the desk made a big difference.
50:43SPEAKERI'm gonna send you a link to this
50:44SPEAKERso you can see what I'm talking about.
50:45SPEAKERBut it's basically a,
50:48SPEAKERit's like a series of connected links
50:50SPEAKERwith a weighted thing at the bottom
50:51SPEAKERand you screw the other end into the back of the desk.
50:54SPEAKERAnd so you route your cables into this,
50:57SPEAKERthe cables, there's basically two tracks
50:59SPEAKERon each side of this vertebra thing
51:02SPEAKERand you pop your cables into that.
51:04SPEAKERSome like monitor cables go on one side
51:06SPEAKERand then data cables go on the other.
51:08SPEAKERI have one power cable that goes up to a power strip
51:12SPEAKERand the rest of it is just in this thing.
51:17SPEAKERIt was like 40 bucks, which was kind of expensive,
51:20SPEAKERbut it basically means that there's no cables
51:21SPEAKERjust dangling down off of my desk loose anymore,
51:24SPEAKERwhich feels real good.
51:25SPEAKER- That looks pretty useful.
51:26SPEAKER- And so it bends, when the desk goes up, it gets straight.
51:29SPEAKERAnd when the desk goes down, it kind of makes an S shape.
51:30SPEAKER- It also looks exactly like a very lengthy mechanical spine.
51:35SPEAKER- That's I think why it's called
51:36SPEAKERa vertebra cable management kit.
51:38SPEAKER- Oh, right, I forgot what it was called.
51:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
51:40SPEAKER- I was not looking at the name.
51:41SPEAKER- You can make it shorter or longer
51:42SPEAKERdepending on how tall you are.
51:43SPEAKERAnd I need to bring my desk up all the way
51:44SPEAKERand see what the, get it to the right height
51:46SPEAKER'cause I think I have like two or three extra links in there.
51:49SPEAKER- All right, I think we're down to our last topic.
51:52SPEAKER- Yeah, what do you got?
51:53SPEAKER- I have written new NAS build.
51:56SPEAKER- Ooh.
51:57SPEAKER- I've got a pile, I did the thing.
51:58SPEAKERI've never done this before.
52:00SPEAKERPeople do this all the time.
52:01SPEAKERThey post a photo of like all the parts
52:03SPEAKERfor their new computer.
52:04SPEAKER- Did you post it?
52:05SPEAKER- It's in the, I sent it to you last night.
52:07SPEAKER- Well, I didn't realize you posted it in the Discord.
52:10SPEAKER- Yes, I put it in the Discord.
52:11SPEAKERI caused a bit of a stir, it seems,
52:13SPEAKERbecause I very intentionally put the thermal pad
52:16SPEAKERthat I bought in there.
52:17SPEAKER- Oh, you got a graphite thermal pad?
52:19SPEAKER- Sure enough, nobody talked about anything
52:21SPEAKERbut the thermal pad.
52:22SPEAKER- People have opinions on thermal pads?
52:24SPEAKER- They completely ignored the, every other part.
52:26SPEAKER- Wait, what's wrong with the thermal pad?
52:28SPEAKER- I don't think anything's wrong with it.
52:29SPEAKER- Oh.
52:30SPEAKER- Just, it seems like most people don't mind paste
52:32SPEAKERas much as me.
52:34SPEAKER- Oh, I, you know, well, hold on.
52:39SPEAKERDoes your Noctua not have a pad on it?
52:43SPEAKER- No, it comes with paste, which I'm not going to use.
52:45SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh, oh.
52:47SPEAKERI feel like the pads last longer than the paste.
52:50SPEAKER- Yeah, they haven't really been on the market enough
52:52SPEAKERfor people to say like, oh, I've used this pad for 20 years.
52:55SPEAKERI'm like, to be clear.
52:56SPEAKER- I mean, the ones that are built into the CPU coolers
52:58SPEAKERthat come from the vendor.
52:59SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh.
53:00SPEAKER- Like I've never had one of those dry out
53:01SPEAKERand get janky before.
53:02SPEAKER- So those are different.
53:03SPEAKERI've, I don't know that I've seen like information
53:07SPEAKERabout those being used for 10 plus years or whatever,
53:09SPEAKERbut that those generally are a different type of material
53:11SPEAKERthan the paste in the tube.
53:13SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:14SPEAKER- Unless they've started using a different kind
53:15SPEAKERthan in the past.
53:17SPEAKERI think like, I think I had an i7 860 about 10 years ago
53:20SPEAKERwas the last time I had a heat sink with pre-applied pad.
53:23SPEAKERAnd it's like a tacky gummy kind of thing, right?
53:26SPEAKERAre they still, is that what they're still using?
53:27SPEAKER- No, no, no, it's much more, it's much more,
53:29SPEAKERit's, you don't touch it.
53:31SPEAKERIf you touch it, you could wipe it, you can wipe it off.
53:33SPEAKER- Interesting.
53:34SPEAKER- But it's just like pre-applied thermal stuff.
53:38SPEAKERIt's thicker than the paste though.
53:40SPEAKER- Wait, that sounds like what I'm talking about.
53:42SPEAKERLike it kind of binds, it's like, it's kind of sticky.
53:44SPEAKER- Yeah, like if you, if you wiggle the CPU,
53:46SPEAKERif you twist the CPU, once it's made contact,
53:49SPEAKERit has a strong tension on it.
53:50SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I think that's the same thing.
53:52SPEAKERBut I just, I just hate dealing with that stuff.
53:55SPEAKERIt's not like the pad is just slightly worse than paste.
53:59SPEAKER- I mean, here's the thing.
54:00SPEAKER- For cooling.
54:01SPEAKER- Most, one of the things we learned at Maximum PC
54:03SPEAKERis that the vast majority of people use either way too much
54:06SPEAKERor way too little thermal paste.
54:09SPEAKER- I believe it.
54:09SPEAKER- Yeah, you don't, you don't need a ton.
54:12SPEAKERIf you put too much, it's probably not gonna hurt anything.
54:14SPEAKERBut, but like really you just need to make contact
54:17SPEAKERover the areas that you, like you want the,
54:20SPEAKERyou want the heat spreader to be covered, right?
54:22SPEAKER- Right, you just need something to fill in.
54:23SPEAKER- But you don't want it to goop off
54:24SPEAKERover the edges of the heat spreader.
54:25SPEAKERIt's really hard to get it right.
54:26SPEAKER- You just need something to fill in the air gaps
54:28SPEAKERbetween the heat spreader and the heat sink.
54:32SPEAKERI just, I just don't want to deal with it anymore.
54:33SPEAKERThat's it.
54:34SPEAKERLike I just want a thing, you just lay it on there
54:36SPEAKERand you never think about it again.
54:37SPEAKERAnd if I ever have to take it off,
54:38SPEAKERthen I will just lay it right back on.
54:39SPEAKER- I'm kind of surprised that nobody does,
54:43SPEAKERlike nobody does, like you can get syringes
54:46SPEAKERthat have measured, that dose a measured amount of goop.
54:49SPEAKER- Interesting, interesting.
54:50SPEAKER- So I'm surprised that nobody does that.
54:53SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes sense.
54:54SPEAKER- It seems like a good way to charge an extra five bucks
54:56SPEAKERfor your $15 of thermal paste.
54:57SPEAKER- That's for sure.
54:59SPEAKERI forget which site did it.
55:00SPEAKERSomebody had the smart idea a while back
55:02SPEAKERto just take a clear piece of plastic
55:03SPEAKERfrom like a product packaging or something
55:05SPEAKERand just do a bunch of different patterns
55:07SPEAKERand test that way and then press down
55:09SPEAKERto see how they spread.
55:10SPEAKER- Oh, see how they spread, yeah.
55:11SPEAKER- So you can find like animated GIFs
55:12SPEAKERof that floating around if you want to know,
55:14SPEAKERbut it's just like,
55:15SPEAKERlike I just went through this thing
55:17SPEAKERwhere like my NAS died, like it just won't boot anymore.
55:20SPEAKERAnd I have the same CPU and socket type in my PC as well.
55:24SPEAKERAnd like, I might have switched the processors
55:26SPEAKERjust to see for sure what part died.
55:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
55:29SPEAKER- But then I was like, I have to dig,
55:31SPEAKERI have to like dig into the closet,
55:32SPEAKERremember where my thermal paste is
55:33SPEAKERthat I haven't used in five years.
55:36SPEAKERLike take them all off, like wipe them down,
55:38SPEAKERput new paste on, swap them back and forth.
55:39SPEAKERLike, I was just like, I just don't care.
55:42SPEAKERFor a platform that is five years old
55:43SPEAKERand I should just, it's overdue for an upgrade anyway.
55:46SPEAKERSo like this just completely obviates that situation.
55:48SPEAKERLike you can just take it on or take it off,
55:50SPEAKERput it back on as much as you want.
55:52SPEAKERIt's just dead simple.
55:52SPEAKER- Oh, it's reusable?
55:54SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
55:54SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.
55:55SPEAKER- Oh, that's the whole point.
55:56SPEAKERThat is the whole point.
55:57SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
55:58SPEAKERSo the things that are built into the coolers
55:59SPEAKERthat come from the CPU manufacturers are not reusable.
56:00SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:01SPEAKERWhat I was getting at is that kind of sticky thing that is,
56:04SPEAKERso that's the point of this thing.
56:05SPEAKERIt's all dry.
56:06SPEAKERIt's just a pad.
56:08SPEAKER- Is this, does it add too much thickness
56:10SPEAKERbetween the heat spreader and the cooler?
56:13SPEAKER- I haven't taken it out of the package yet,
56:14SPEAKERbut I think it's like extremely, extremely thin.
56:16SPEAKERLike I did a fair amount of research on this thing.
56:19SPEAKER- I'm curious about how this works.
56:20SPEAKER- Gamers Nexus has a really good video
56:22SPEAKERthat they did a ton of testing.
56:23SPEAKER- Okay.
56:25SPEAKERIf Steve thinks it's okay, I'm like, I'm convinced.
56:28SPEAKERYou're probably fine.
56:30SPEAKERThe upshot is that from its scales,
56:32SPEAKERit's just slightly worse than paste
56:34SPEAKERto the tune of about one degree Celsius.
56:36SPEAKERThat's about four degrees.
56:38SPEAKERBasically the hotter it is, the less efficient it is,
56:40SPEAKERbut at 700 Watts, they were like,
56:42SPEAKERthis is four degrees Celsius, worse than paste.
56:45SPEAKER- For NAS, for NAS, it doesn't matter.
56:47SPEAKER- And in the operating range I'm going to be running at,
56:49SPEAKERwhich is like a couple hundred Watts probably,
56:52SPEAKERlike it's like one to two degrees difference.
56:54SPEAKER- No problem.
56:55SPEAKER- And for the convenience factor,
56:56SPEAKEReven if that doesn't come to bear for years,
56:59SPEAKERI'm fine to, also it was eight bucks.
57:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
57:03SPEAKER- So.
57:04SPEAKER- Yeah, worst case you can put on a Samarthi Silver
57:06SPEAKERjust in case, like if it doesn't work out,
57:10SPEAKERyou're out eight bucks.
57:11SPEAKER- Right, right, I'll just use that Noctua paste
57:13SPEAKERif it doesn't work for some reason.
57:15SPEAKER- The interesting, somebody, I can't remember which vendor,
57:17SPEAKERone of the, like Cooler Master I think,
57:20SPEAKERused to provide when you bought a CPU a little,
57:25SPEAKERit was almost like a scraper,
57:27SPEAKERlike the kind of scraper you use to scrape your windshield
57:29SPEAKERif you look someplace where it's cold,
57:31SPEAKERwith like grooves cut out.
57:33SPEAKERSo it was like, it was like plastic groove,
57:36SPEAKERplastic groove, plastic groove,
57:37SPEAKERplastic groove, plastic groove.
57:39SPEAKERAnd basically you're just supposed to put a line
57:41SPEAKERof the paste across one edge of the CPU
57:43SPEAKERand then trowel that stuff across
57:45SPEAKERand it would scrape it into lines
57:47SPEAKERso that when you mash the CPU down it,
57:49SPEAKERyou get total coverage across the whole thing
57:50SPEAKERwithout blasting a bunch over the edges.
57:53SPEAKERI'm surprised more people don't do that.
57:55SPEAKERThat was a cool thing.
57:56SPEAKER- That is pretty neat.
57:58SPEAKER- I'm excited for you to build your NAS.
57:59SPEAKERI'm happy for you to get your NAS back online.
58:01SPEAKER- I had, it's been a bit debilitating
58:04SPEAKERhaving no mass storage for the last like six weeks.
58:07SPEAKER- I gotta say you've handled it pretty well.
58:08SPEAKERLike this is the kind of thing that,
58:12SPEAKERthat I would have, that would have made me absolutely crazy.
58:14SPEAKER- It's been driving me nuts.
58:15SPEAKERI mean, I've got, I've got recordings all over the place.
58:18SPEAKERLike, like I've got,
58:19SPEAKERI've got some crammed onto my games drive.
58:22SPEAKERI've got some on an external SSD
58:23SPEAKERthat's been plugged in for since the NAS,
58:25SPEAKERbut like I just like any large files
58:28SPEAKERare just getting stuck wherever I can find a place right now.
58:32SPEAKER- Is that the end of our potpourri?
58:33SPEAKERHave we reached the exciting conclusions?
58:35SPEAKER- Pretty much the end of it, I think.
58:37SPEAKER- I look a little cinnamon in my potpourri.
58:39SPEAKER- You think so?
58:40SPEAKER- Just a, just a, just a hint.
58:41SPEAKERI sat a little, maybe a little satchet of lavender,
58:44SPEAKERa little cinnamon, maybe some bergamot.
58:48SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
58:49SPEAKER- I mean, who doesn't want, who doesn't like a bergamot?
58:53SPEAKERYou know, Brad, what time it is?
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59:53SPEAKERAnd I guess that'll do it for us this month.
59:54SPEAKER- It will.
59:56SPEAKER- Or this week.
59:57SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm sad.
59:58SPEAKERYou're gonna hang up.
59:59SPEAKERI'm gazing at this background you've got.
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1:00:25SPEAKERI started to say, this is a dangerous road.
1:00:28SPEAKERIf we started doing those old OS episodes,
1:00:31SPEAKERmaybe we should do video versions, but I don't know.
1:00:34SPEAKER- So here's the thing.
1:00:35SPEAKERIf we live mix, if we can get the podcast
1:00:38SPEAKERto the point that we're live mixing the themes and stuff in,
1:00:41SPEAKERI'm totally, like doing a video version
1:00:43SPEAKERdoesn't add that much overhead.
1:00:44SPEAKER- Yeah, that is the danger of the video podcast
1:00:46SPEAKERis then you kind of have to hit all of your marks.
1:00:48SPEAKER- I mean, we're pretty good at this point.
1:00:50SPEAKERWe've done 150 episodes almost.
1:00:52SPEAKERWe'll see if I manage to edit out
1:00:54SPEAKERthose throat clearings or not.
1:00:55SPEAKER- Well, you've got to hook up the stream deck,
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