145: Fat Stacks of DIMMs

00:00SPEAKERIt finally happened.

00:01SPEAKER- What happened?

00:02SPEAKER- Pigs are flying, dogs and cats.

00:04SPEAKERI bought...

00:05SPEAKER- Wait, you threw the pigs?

00:08SPEAKER- Hang on.

00:09SPEAKERHang on now.

00:10SPEAKER- Why would you throw the pigs, Brad?

00:12SPEAKERThe poor pigs.

00:13SPEAKER- I did post some hot pig action

00:16SPEAKERon the Discord this morning.

00:17SPEAKER- Oh man, I miss that.

00:18SPEAKER- People were pleased.

00:20SPEAKER- I love pigs.

00:21SPEAKER- Go check it out if you're on Discord.

00:23SPEAKERI bought a central processing unit.

00:25SPEAKER- But Brad, the AM5 hardware is not available yet.

00:30SPEAKERWhat did you...

00:30SPEAKERHow did you get this?

00:31SPEAKER- Shut up.

00:33SPEAKERGod damn it.

00:34SPEAKERThis is for my NAS.

00:35SPEAKER- Oh, oh.

00:37SPEAKER- I bought a core i5 at 12.

00:40SPEAKERHow do you...

00:41SPEAKERSince I went to five digits on the model numbers,

00:43SPEAKERhow do you pronounce it?

00:44SPEAKER12, is that how you...

00:45SPEAKERThat's generally what I say.

00:46SPEAKER- That's what I say.

00:47SPEAKER- Even though it sounds ridiculous, 12600.

00:49SPEAKER- Okay, that just seems like a perfectly

00:51SPEAKERcromulent NAS CPU.

00:53SPEAKER- It's 12600K actually.

00:55SPEAKER- Oh, so you can overclock it.

00:57SPEAKER- As a matter of fact, I'm not gonna overclock it.

00:59SPEAKERIt's actually...

01:00SPEAKERIt's a long story.

01:01SPEAKERI got a good deal on it.

01:01SPEAKERI got a very good deal on it.

01:03SPEAKER- You should underclock it, that's what I'm saying.

01:05SPEAKER- So you don't underclock anymore.

01:06SPEAKERDo you wanna get into this?

01:08SPEAKER- Wait, why don't you underclock anymore?

01:10SPEAKER- You don't underclock to save power now.

01:11SPEAKERYou actually...

01:13SPEAKERYou tweak the PL1, PL2, and the TAO values.

01:15SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah.

01:16SPEAKERNo, naturally, the TAO value.

01:17SPEAKER- Of course, of course.

01:19SPEAKERExpressed, those values are expressed in watts.

01:21SPEAKER- You're gonna open up that adjustable bar?

01:22SPEAKERThat's my question.

01:23SPEAKER- What's the adjust...

01:24SPEAKEROh God, is that like what replaced the front side bus?

01:27SPEAKERI can't remember.

01:28SPEAKER- You're not going to, 'cause it's a video card thing,

01:30SPEAKERso it's not necessary for an S.

01:31SPEAKER- Oh, right.

01:32SPEAKERYes, I remember that stuff. - Resizable bar, sorry.

01:34SPEAKERIt's what Intel calls it.

01:35SPEAKER- There will be a graphics card in that machine,

01:37SPEAKERso that certainly does not happen.

01:38SPEAKER- Oh, you're going headless?

01:39SPEAKERDid you find a motherboard?

01:40SPEAKER- I'm still...

01:41SPEAKERBoy, we should save this for the patron episode,

01:43SPEAKER'cause it's a whole thing.

01:44SPEAKER- Okay.

01:45SPEAKER- Micro ATX apparently is dying.

01:48SPEAKER- Big boards, nobody wants a big board.

01:50SPEAKER- Well, no, they either want the biggest board

01:51SPEAKERor the smallest board.

01:52SPEAKER- Well, yeah, yeah.

01:53SPEAKERSo that's the thing, the Micro ATX apparently

01:55SPEAKERis the bad middle, the squishy middle.

01:58SPEAKER- Well, the thing that I'm finding

01:59SPEAKERis that you get Micro ATX boards

02:00SPEAKERthat are like designed for gamers

02:02SPEAKERand people who want like three cards in their systems,

02:06SPEAKERbut that's it.

02:07SPEAKERLike there's no Micro ATX server boards anymore.

02:10SPEAKERThere's not like Micro ATX workstation boards

02:12SPEAKERor anything like that, it seems like.

02:14SPEAKER- Like I literally...

02:15SPEAKERAgain, we should save this.

02:17SPEAKERWent on PC part picker.

02:18SPEAKERLike I need a Micro ATX Z690 board

02:20SPEAKERthat takes DDR4, not DDR5, there are four of them.

02:25SPEAKERThere were four models that came up on-

02:27SPEAKER- Wait, how do they take DDR4 or DDR5?

02:29SPEAKERI thought that was a CPU choice.

02:31SPEAKER- 12th Gen Intel can do both.

02:33SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.

02:34SPEAKER- It just depends on which board you get.

02:36SPEAKER- Ooh, that's fancy.

02:37SPEAKER- Although, did you know,

02:38SPEAKERI found out in the course of researching this stuff,

02:40SPEAKERDDR4 and DDR5 are not like electrically compatible.

02:44SPEAKERThey use the same, it's not a pin out,

02:47SPEAKERwhat do you call those kinds of connectors?

02:49SPEAKER- A slot.

02:50SPEAKER- Yeah, like they use the same physical slot configuration,

02:52SPEAKERbut they're electrically,

02:53SPEAKERin terms of signal, they're different.

02:55SPEAKERSo you can't get a board that does both.

02:56SPEAKER- Well, that's always been the case

02:59SPEAKERwith different DDR standards.

03:01SPEAKERThe only time you could use both

03:02SPEAKERwas when you had multiple slots on the board

03:04SPEAKERor in the old days, when the Northbridge of this,

03:07SPEAKERthe memory controller was in the Northbridge

03:09SPEAKERrather than inside the CPU.

03:12SPEAKER- I have this fat stack of DDR4

03:13SPEAKERand it needs to get reused.

03:14SPEAKER- Yeah, look at that good memory.

03:17SPEAKER- Fat stacks of memory, that's the tech pod promise.

03:19SPEAKER- Well, that's a title for this week sorted already.

03:22SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:50SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.

03:53SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

03:55SPEAKER- Fat stacks, Brad, fat stacks.

03:58SPEAKER- Look, can't have fat stacks of dollar bills

04:00SPEAKERand fat stacks of dims is the next best thing.

04:03SPEAKER- So I bought a stupid emote in Fortnite the other day

04:07SPEAKERand it's me holding a bunch of bananas,

04:10SPEAKERmaking it rain with bananas.

04:12SPEAKER- Great, great.

04:13SPEAKER- I would do that with memory though.

04:14SPEAKER- Are you wearing like a gorilla costume as your avatar?

04:17SPEAKER- It works with whatever costume you want.

04:18SPEAKERIt's a universal emote.

04:20SPEAKER- But I would hope you were coordinating your aesthetic.

04:22SPEAKER- I don't, I wish I had a gorilla.

04:24SPEAKERI have Captain America and I have Indiana Jones.

04:28SPEAKER- I just assume that there is no skin that you can't get

04:30SPEAKERand that does not exist in Fortnite at this point.

04:32SPEAKERI think they're probably generating them

04:33SPEAKERwith AI at this point.

04:36SPEAKER- It's kind of remarkable.

04:38SPEAKERLike I have a hot dog man

04:39SPEAKERand he has a little hot dog on his back.

04:40SPEAKERSo he's like a hot dog carrying a hot dog.

04:42SPEAKER- Great, are you just full-time Fortnite?

04:46SPEAKER- I love Fortnite, it's really fucking good, Brad.

04:49SPEAKER- When was the last time you played Player Unknown's PUBG?

04:52SPEAKER- Player Unknown's Battlegrounds Battlegrounds?

04:54SPEAKER- Yes.

04:55SPEAKER- The last time I played Player Unknown's Battlegrounds

04:58SPEAKERBattlegrounds, I played off stream a couple of weeks ago

05:01SPEAKERjust to kind of check out the new map.

05:03SPEAKER- So you're just a Fortnite streamer now?

05:06SPEAKER- Look, since I got sick, I haven't been a streamer at all.

05:09SPEAKER- Well, sure, fair.

05:10SPEAKER- 'Cause by the end of the day, I just want to go to sleep.

05:13SPEAKER- But I did see an awful lot of bearded gamers

05:16SPEAKERseeking Victory Royales popping up in my notifications.

05:20SPEAKER- I have not played since May.

05:21SPEAKER- PUBG?

05:22SPEAKER- PUBG.

05:23SPEAKER- Holy crap, wow.

05:25SPEAKERI think you've officially put the game down.

05:26SPEAKER- I played 5,000 hours and I think I might be maybe good.

05:30SPEAKER- I don't know if you want to get into it.

05:31SPEAKERHave your stream numbers changed since you've been-

05:33SPEAKER- Dramatically.

05:34SPEAKER- Really?

05:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:36SPEAKER- I wouldn't have, huh, I mean-

05:37SPEAKER- They went way down, nobody wants to watch Fortnite.

05:39SPEAKERThere's a lot of other people

05:40SPEAKERthat are good at Fortnite, streaming Fortnite.

05:42SPEAKERNobody needs to watch me play Fortnite, it turns out.

05:45SPEAKERI thought you meant they went the other direction.

05:46SPEAKER- No, that would have been cool.

05:47SPEAKERThat would have been nice.

05:49SPEAKERSo the audience has changed a little bit

05:51SPEAKER'cause some people, I've gotten new people coming in,

05:55SPEAKERbut, and like it's starting to grow back again,

05:58SPEAKERbut it was like a cut in half on,

06:00SPEAKERI went from like an average of one.

06:02SPEAKERI mean, PUBG had been kind of in decline too.

06:04SPEAKERSo I wasn't getting like, I mean, you know how streams work.

06:07SPEAKERYou get like your regulars

06:08SPEAKERand then you have also people that come in

06:10SPEAKER'cause they see you playing the game

06:12SPEAKERand you're like near the top of the list

06:13SPEAKERand then you look interesting.

06:15SPEAKERAnd like most of the people who watch somebody

06:18SPEAKERwho looks like me are looking for like geriatric gamers

06:21SPEAKERor they're strangely into beards.

06:24SPEAKER- Your beard is turning gray, actually,

06:27SPEAKERa little bit more than previously.

06:29SPEAKER- Dude, I looked at a picture from when my daughter was born

06:32SPEAKERand it used to be all red

06:33SPEAKERwith like three white hairs in there.

06:35SPEAKERIt's white, by the way, not gray.

06:37SPEAKERThank you.

06:38SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

06:38SPEAKERMuch more distinct.

06:39SPEAKER- Go in Santa Claus, yeah.

06:40SPEAKER- Yes, of course.

06:41SPEAKER- Ho, ho, ho, motherfuckers.

06:43SPEAKERIt's a questions episode.

06:45SPEAKER- We're turning cues into A's.

06:47SPEAKERIf you would like to know how,

06:49SPEAKERif people wanted to submit cues, how can they do that, Brad?

06:51SPEAKERDo we have some sort of electronic communique?

06:55SPEAKER- Carrier pigeon, smoke signal, telegraph.

07:00SPEAKER- Okay.

07:01SPEAKER- Also the question seeking answers channel on the Discord

07:04SPEAKERor our illustrious inbox.

07:07SPEAKER- Yes, you mean techpod@content.town?

07:10SPEAKER- I do mean techpod@content.town.

07:12SPEAKER- I want a hydrophone.

07:14SPEAKER- What is a hydrophone?

07:15SPEAKER- Hydrophone is like a phone

07:16SPEAKERthat submarines use to talk to each other.

07:18SPEAKERSo it uses sonar to make telephones.

07:21SPEAKER- Oh man, it's like submarine month

07:24SPEAKERon the next lander watch cow.

07:25SPEAKERI just saw the "Hunt for Red October"

07:26SPEAKERfor the first time ever.

07:27SPEAKER- Holy shit, how have you never watched "Hunt for Red October"?

07:30SPEAKER- Dude, there's a lot of movies I have never watched.

07:32SPEAKER- Well, okay.

07:34SPEAKER- The movie's pretty good.

07:34SPEAKER- Have you talked about it yet?

07:36SPEAKER- Yeah, we already did it.

07:37SPEAKERWe recorded it.

07:38SPEAKERIt will be up next week.

07:39SPEAKER- I, it is, that is, have you watched "Comes in Tide" yet?

07:42SPEAKER- No, that's next on the list.

07:43SPEAKER- What about "U-571"?

07:45SPEAKER- That one didn't make the cut.

07:46SPEAKER- It kinda sucks.

07:47SPEAKER- Oh, does it?

07:48SPEAKER- I mean, it's Keith David or David Keith.

07:51SPEAKERI never can remember which one.

07:52SPEAKER- Who's David Keith?

07:53SPEAKER- Well, there's David Keith and Keith David.

07:55SPEAKERThey're both actors.

07:56SPEAKER- Hang on, Jon Bon Jovi is in that movie?

07:58SPEAKER- Yeah, but, so it's a fictionalized story

08:01SPEAKERof a thing that really happened,

08:02SPEAKERbut they did a shit job 'cause they didn't do the things

08:04SPEAKERthat are actually interesting about the actual true story.

08:07SPEAKERAre you gonna watch "Das Boot"?

08:08SPEAKERThat's the real question.

08:09SPEAKER- Oh, you mean "Das Boot"?

08:13SPEAKER- I can't wait for that episode.

08:15SPEAKERI can't wait for that episode

08:16SPEAKERbecause I am only going to say "Das Boot"

08:18SPEAKERand I'm sure people are gonna get mad about it.

08:19SPEAKER- It is, well, that's a real, real preview.

08:22SPEAKERThat is, it is maybe the most tense movie.

08:27SPEAKERSo then you're gonna finish this all off

08:28SPEAKERby watching "Wrath of Khan"?

08:29SPEAKERThat's the real question.

08:31SPEAKER- I actually made a "Wrath of Khan" comparison

08:33SPEAKERin the "Hunt for Red October" episode.

08:34SPEAKERYeah, the order is "Red October," "Crimson Tide," "Das Boot."

08:38SPEAKER- Okay.

08:40SPEAKERYou should also watch "Run Silent, Run Deep."

08:41SPEAKERThere's some really good submarine movies

08:43SPEAKERfrom like the '50s, '40s.

08:44SPEAKER- "Run Silent, Run Deep."

08:46SPEAKER- "Run Silent, Run Deep" I think is Cary Grant.

08:47SPEAKERI can't remember.

08:48SPEAKERIt's a World War II era propaganda movie.

08:50SPEAKER- Oh, great.

08:51SPEAKER- And it establishes the genre,

08:52SPEAKERbasically a modern submarine movie.

08:55SPEAKER- Oh, wow, that is, yes.

08:56SPEAKERClark Gable and Burt Lancaster, I gotta look that up.

08:59SPEAKER- You should watch that before you watch "Das Boot"

09:01SPEAKERbecause "Das Boot" is the modern re-imagining

09:04SPEAKERof this thing that was established in the '40s.

09:10SPEAKERAnd yeah, anyway, I like submarine movies a lot.

09:12SPEAKER- Is "Das Boot" a World War II era?

09:15SPEAKERIs it literally "U-Boat?"

09:16SPEAKER- "Das Boot" is about a World War II.

09:19SPEAKER- I shouldn't look it up.

09:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it is about a German U-Boat captain

09:24SPEAKERand like a one tour of a German U-Boat, I believe.

09:27SPEAKER- Okay, it is a U-Boat, yeah.

09:28SPEAKEROkay, I will read no more about that movie

09:31SPEAKERbefore I watch it.

09:32SPEAKERWhat about "K-19, The Widowmaker?"

09:33SPEAKER- "K-19, The Widowmaker" is the only...

09:38SPEAKERIt's fine.

09:41SPEAKERLike that's a true story.

09:42SPEAKERIt's a fictionalized version of a true story.

09:45SPEAKERIt's about Soviet excess.

09:48SPEAKER- Oh, oh, okay.

09:49SPEAKER- Harrison Ford does a really terrible Russian accent

09:51SPEAKERthrough sporadically throughout that movie.

09:54SPEAKER- Does he play, he plays a Soviet?

09:56SPEAKER- He plays the Soviet captain, I think.

09:58SPEAKERI can't remember.

10:00SPEAKER- I can't believe they went with the accent.

10:02SPEAKERLike that's the thing, like watching like, you know,

10:05SPEAKERChernobyl came out a few years ago.

10:06SPEAKERI watched that.

10:07SPEAKERLike we just watched "Red October."

10:08SPEAKERLike it's an interesting question of,

10:10SPEAKERdo you go for the bad fake accent to try to remind people

10:12SPEAKERthat you're actually listening to people speak Russian,

10:15SPEAKERalthough not, or do you just play it straight?

10:17SPEAKERAnd I can't believe Harrison Ford is doing the bad accent.

10:21SPEAKER- So it's one of those things that struck me

10:23SPEAKERbecause like the, like it was unusual in the '90s

10:28SPEAKERto have movies with subtitles

10:29SPEAKERthat were like mass market movies,

10:31SPEAKEReven if there was like a character speaking

10:32SPEAKERa different language.

10:34SPEAKERLike it was unusual that they would have,

10:35SPEAKERlike that thing that happens in "Hunt for October"

10:37SPEAKERwhere Sam Neill and Sean Connery are speaking in Russian

10:41SPEAKERfor the beginning part of the movie.

10:42SPEAKERAnd then like two scenes in,

10:44SPEAKERthey switched to accented English.

10:47SPEAKER- That zoom, do you remember the zoom?

10:49SPEAKER- Oh, it's like that movie is stupendous.

10:52SPEAKER- Tight zoom on the dude's mouth

10:54SPEAKERas he switches from Russian to English seamlessly,

10:56SPEAKERand then you know.

10:58SPEAKER- Well, and then the other thing about that,

11:00SPEAKERso the book that that movie is based on,

11:02SPEAKERthe Tom Clancy book has,

11:04SPEAKERwe've talked about it in the show before,

11:05SPEAKERhas one of my favorite like,

11:08SPEAKERhey, something's going wrong.

11:10SPEAKERI'm going to explain some highly technical techno like shit

11:13SPEAKERin a way that is understandable to almost anyone.

11:17SPEAKERAnd it's gonna tell this incredibly dramatic story

11:19SPEAKERof what's happening within 3/10 of a second

11:20SPEAKERas the alpha's reactor is blowing up.

11:24SPEAKERIt's a stupendous, I love submarine movie.

11:27SPEAKERAnyway, we should answer some questions,

11:28SPEAKERwe should turn into A's.

11:30SPEAKER- We should, send us questions

11:32SPEAKERfor our forthcoming submarine spinoff podcast.

11:34SPEAKER- Yeah, oops, all submarines.

11:36SPEAKER- But in the meantime, shall I start?

11:41SPEAKER- Yeah, we got, we had a cornucopia of riches.

11:45SPEAKERI think we're gonna have to do a patron episode this month

11:47SPEAKERthat is more questions.

11:48SPEAKERWe had so many good questions.

11:49SPEAKER- Yes, I think in addition to me

11:50SPEAKERtalking about buying hardware,

11:52SPEAKERwe'll do some questions on the patron,

11:54SPEAKER'cause there was a lot here.

11:55SPEAKER- Yes.

11:58SPEAKER- Question from the Discord, LDEJ is the username.

12:02SPEAKERUnless that's a capital I, how would I know?

12:04SPEAKER- It's impossible to know.

12:05SPEAKER- I'm gonna type, wow, in this Google Docs font,

12:08SPEAKERI typed a capital I and a letter case L

12:10SPEAKERright next to each other, and they were indistinguishable.

12:12SPEAKER- I think that was a gel.

12:14SPEAKER- Okay, let's go with that.

12:15SPEAKERYou both seem to have and enjoy bidets.

12:18SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I do.

12:19SPEAKER- What kind or brand do you have,

12:21SPEAKERor what brand would you suggest for a first timer?

12:23SPEAKERI bought, I think it's a Brondell?

12:26SPEAKER- I believe we were forced to buy a Brondell

12:30SPEAKERbecause they're the only ones that make a left-hander.

12:33SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

12:35SPEAKERWait, are you left-handed or is your wife?

12:36SPEAKER- No, but the toilet is too close

12:40SPEAKERto the vanity on the right side.

12:41SPEAKER- Oh, I see.

12:42SPEAKER- So there was no clearance for the little control panel

12:44SPEAKERfor the manual bidets.

12:46SPEAKER- Got it, got it.

12:47SPEAKERI just got a Brondell because it was at the nexus

12:49SPEAKERof cheap and a lot of good user reviews.

12:52SPEAKER- Yep.

12:53SPEAKER- So no specific attachment to them

12:55SPEAKERother than that it was fine.

12:57SPEAKER- The thing-

12:57SPEAKER- Also, I bought another one for my parents

12:59SPEAKERlast time I went home and it was down to like 30 bucks,

13:01SPEAKERso it's like pretty low cost of entry.

13:03SPEAKER- Yeah, the left-handed one was a little bit more expensive

13:05SPEAKER'cause they only make, I assume they have to,

13:09SPEAKERthey make molds and stuff for them.

13:11SPEAKERThe thing, we bought one that has like hot and cold

13:16SPEAKERand dual nozzles and all sorts of bullshit.

13:18SPEAKERWe only ever owned, and no one in the house uses it.

13:21SPEAKERWell, first off, I never plumbed the hot

13:23SPEAKERbecause it was a pain in the ass.

13:26SPEAKERThe dual position thing nobody in the uses

13:30SPEAKERregardless of their anatomy.

13:31SPEAKERSo, and the cold water is refreshing.

13:35SPEAKERI find the need for hot water to be non-existent.

13:40SPEAKERThe only thing I would say is make sure you get one

13:42SPEAKERthat uses metal fittings for the attachments

13:46SPEAKERbecause you don't want the plastic fittings

13:48SPEAKERbecause the risk of failure is higher.

13:50SPEAKER- Yeah, leaks are bad.

13:52SPEAKER- Leaks are bad.

13:54SPEAKER- I can tell you.

13:55SPEAKER- I think if I had been able to take a right-handed one,

13:58SPEAKERI would have bought the one, the TUSHY,

14:00SPEAKERthat has the thing that has like the little joystick

14:02SPEAKERthat you can aim with.

14:04SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

14:05SPEAKERYeah, TUSHY advertised on some of the Giant Bomb Podcast.

14:07SPEAKERI never got my hands on one of those.

14:10SPEAKERWow, that sounds dangerous.

14:12SPEAKER- Well, it's like forward and back.

14:13SPEAKERIt's like a little lever that tilts.

14:17SPEAKER- Still aiming a jet of water in that direction

14:21SPEAKERthat you can't actually see.

14:23SPEAKER- I think you can tell where it's going, Rob.

14:25SPEAKERIt has some potential for, yeah.

14:29SPEAKEROkay, question for Mustard Facial.

14:32SPEAKERHow many empty coffee cups on your desk

14:34SPEAKERis too many coffee cups?

14:36SPEAKERMy baseline is two, zero.

14:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I clear the food waste off the desk at the end of,

14:42SPEAKERbasically every time I stand up and walk to the kitchen.

14:44SPEAKER- Yes, I thought you were gonna say at the end of every day

14:46SPEAKERand even that is too much for me.

14:49SPEAKER- That's the absolute worst.

14:51SPEAKERAnd that only happens when I don't get up during the day

14:54SPEAKERand Gina brings me food or whatever.

14:56SPEAKER- Yeah, if I have like an empty bowl or something in here

14:58SPEAKERafter like 30 minutes is about my max

15:00SPEAKERbefore I start getting real antsy

15:01SPEAKERthat like I need to get this dish out of here.

15:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:05SPEAKER- The only coffee cup is the active coffee cup.

15:07SPEAKER- I remember I used to work with some people

15:08SPEAKERthat would make stacks of like Diet Coke

15:10SPEAKERor Coke Zero cans or whatever by their desk

15:13SPEAKERand it gave me the fucking hives.

15:16SPEAKER- Dude, we used to work with someone

15:18SPEAKERwho allowed straight up like dirty bowls and forks

15:21SPEAKERand other such implements to accumulate

15:23SPEAKERfor days at their desk.

15:25SPEAKERAnd I don't know that I wanna put them on blast

15:27SPEAKERalthough I think that people probably know.

15:29SPEAKER- There were multiple people that we worked with

15:30SPEAKERthat did that.

15:32SPEAKER- Fair, fair.

15:33SPEAKER- Look, let me go and tell you that basement was gross

15:36SPEAKERfor a handful of good reasons

15:38SPEAKERand a multitude of not good reasons.

15:40SPEAKER- Right, like the mold, the dampness problem,

15:43SPEAKERnot really in our control.

15:44SPEAKERThe personal cleanliness issue maybe could have-

15:48SPEAKER- It was a lot.

15:49SPEAKER- Stood some improvements.

15:49SPEAKER- I mean, look, I can't complain.

15:52SPEAKERI had a box of Twinkies that sat beside me

15:54SPEAKERfor about six months.

15:55SPEAKERSo they were sealed mostly.

15:57SPEAKER- Yeah, also Twinkies aren't food.

15:59SPEAKER- Fair.

16:00SPEAKER- Twinkies are not organic.

16:04SPEAKERI'll let you just bop over the email inbox here in a second.

16:07SPEAKERHow about authentic sports from Discord?

16:10SPEAKER- Okay.

16:10SPEAKER- Where did the where in software and hardware come from?

16:13SPEAKERI didn't look this up.

16:14SPEAKERI've always just assumed it was the same

16:16SPEAKERas like the old traditional use of the word wares

16:19SPEAKERas in things that you sell.

16:21SPEAKER- Huh.

16:23SPEAKER- Is that your understanding or just gaming?

16:25SPEAKER- I assumed you had an answer for this

16:26SPEAKERsince you picked this question.

16:29SPEAKER- I figured you would know.

16:29SPEAKERI just always count on you to know things like this.

16:31SPEAKER- No, I have no idea.

16:33SPEAKERI'm really curious.

16:34SPEAKERI kind of want to,

16:37SPEAKERI'm tempted to reach out to some linguistics,

16:39SPEAKERlinguists and see what they feel like is the answer.

16:43SPEAKER'Cause I have no idea.

16:46SPEAKERYeah.

16:47SPEAKER- Here's the answer from Computer Hope.

16:50SPEAKERI'd never used the site before

16:52SPEAKERuntil we did our 1997 episode last week.

16:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:55SPEAKER- And they had an amazing timeline of computing things

16:57SPEAKERin 1990, like broken up a year, basically.

17:01SPEAKERThey seem pretty cool.

17:03SPEAKERIn general, a where or wares is a product or tool.

17:07SPEAKERSo yeah, I think it's basically what I said.

17:08SPEAKERWith computers, where is often a suffix

17:10SPEAKERthat's used in conjunction with another word

17:11SPEAKERto blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

17:13SPEAKERBut yes.

17:16SPEAKERYou know, like think about like an old timey,

17:19SPEAKERI don't know, traveling salesman peddling his wares.

17:23SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

17:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:24SPEAKER- It's that, I think it's that.

17:25SPEAKERPretty sure it's that.

17:26SPEAKERWarehouse.

17:28SPEAKERRight?

17:29SPEAKERIsn't that the same root?

17:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I think so.

17:31SPEAKER- I assume that's the same root as well, warehouse.

17:34SPEAKER- I'm reading a Wikipedia page right now

17:35SPEAKERabout the history of this.

17:37SPEAKERAnd yeah, I don't--

17:41SPEAKER- Oh, we should do an episode

17:43SPEAKERabout like the etymology of computer terms

17:45SPEAKERbecause stuff like booting, for example,

17:47SPEAKERlike if you ever thought about how just accepted

17:49SPEAKERthe word boot is for starting a computer,

17:51SPEAKERand then if you backtrack to where that came from,

17:54SPEAKERit's like a really strange origin,

17:55SPEAKERwhich is, are you familiar with that whole thing?

17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I think, well, I mean,

17:59SPEAKERI used to work for Boot Magazine.

18:01SPEAKER- Right.

18:02SPEAKER- The magazine that was boot.

18:03SPEAKERI never actually worked for boot.

18:05SPEAKERYeah, I think this is an interesting topic.

18:06SPEAKERI think we should dig in deeper into this.

18:10SPEAKER- Boot comes from bootstrapping.

18:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:13SPEAKER- Like if you ever look into, like I was reading about UEFI,

18:16SPEAKERwhich we've been meaning to do a UEFI episode

18:18SPEAKERfor a long time.

18:19SPEAKERAlso, did you see that security advisory

18:22SPEAKERabout UEFI kit stuff, which seems real bad?

18:27SPEAKER- That seems like a problem and difficult to fix

18:28SPEAKERat the scale at which it will need to be fixed

18:30SPEAKER'cause in motherboard manufacturers never liked

18:32SPEAKERto update BIOSes for old boards.

18:34SPEAKER- Right, especially because they didn't publish

18:35SPEAKERthe infection vector in that report.

18:37SPEAKERThey didn't actually say,

18:38SPEAKERhere's how you might've gotten one of these.

18:39SPEAKER- Oh, Jesus, I didn't know that.

18:42SPEAKER- A lot of people are speculating

18:43SPEAKERthat you would need physical access

18:44SPEAKERto the computer to install it.

18:45SPEAKERSo that's probably--

18:46SPEAKER- That would be my assumption,

18:48SPEAKERbut maybe not.

18:49SPEAKER- That's probably reassuring for some people.

18:51SPEAKERSo yeah, if you look into the boot process,

18:52SPEAKERlike what goes on at the BIOS or UEFI level

18:55SPEAKERinto the OS boot,

18:56SPEAKERlike that's classically referred to as bootstrapping,

19:00SPEAKERwhich I assume just got shortened to boot at some point.

19:02SPEAKER- Yeah, it makes sense.

19:02SPEAKER- That comes from Baron Muckhausen.

19:06SPEAKER- Right, pulling yourself up from your bootstraps.

19:08SPEAKER- Yes, it's that like image of a guy lifting himself

19:11SPEAKERout of a hole or out of quicksand or whatever it is

19:13SPEAKERby pulling his own bootstraps, which like--

19:15SPEAKER- You can't do.

19:16SPEAKER- Is self-evidently absurd,

19:17SPEAKERbut that's where the term bootstrap came from.

19:20SPEAKER- I didn't know that was a Muckhausen thing.

19:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:26SPEAKERAnyway.

19:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:28SPEAKER- Did we answer the question?

19:29SPEAKERWe did.

19:30SPEAKEROkay, you wanna take an email?

19:31SPEAKER- I would put an asterisk on that answer, I think.

19:33SPEAKERI don't know if that counts as a Q

19:34SPEAKERthat was turned into an A.

19:35SPEAKERThat was a Q that was turned into a bunch of more Qs.

19:38SPEAKER- What else would it mean?

19:39SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I think let's get a linguist.

19:42SPEAKERIf anybody knows a computer linguistics podcast,

19:45SPEAKERplease introduce them to us

19:46SPEAKERand we'll have them on as a guest.

19:47SPEAKER- That would be super fun.

19:49SPEAKERHardware, it's a where that is physically tangible or hard.

19:54SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I just wanna put on this list

19:55SPEAKERof like what are all the weird computer terms

19:57SPEAKERthat are like, why was a floppy disk not floppy?

20:01SPEAKER- Well, it's 'cause of that, isn't it?

20:02SPEAKERI assume it's 'cause of the actual magnetic--

20:04SPEAKER- It's 'cause it was inside a case usually, yeah.

20:07SPEAKER- Is literally floppy.

20:10SPEAKERAnyway.

20:10SPEAKER- My glasses are foul.

20:14SPEAKER- We should do an episode

20:15SPEAKERabout cleaning your glass now.

20:17SPEAKER(laughing)

20:18SPEAKERI mean, it is a constant problem for me.

20:20SPEAKERI don't know about you.

20:21SPEAKER- My long luscious eyelashes constantly touch

20:23SPEAKERthe inside of the lenses

20:24SPEAKERand it makes them filthy and horrible.

20:27SPEAKER- I used to be a shirt cleaner.

20:29SPEAKER- Oh no, you can't do that.

20:31SPEAKER- Why not?

20:32SPEAKER- 'Cause it'll scratch your lenses

20:33SPEAKERdepending on what your material's made of.

20:36SPEAKERYou have polyester in your shirt,

20:39SPEAKERit'll scratch your plastic lenses, your polycarbon lenses.

20:42SPEAKER- 100% cotton or nothing.

20:43SPEAKER- Well, I need a little bit of Lycra in there

20:45SPEAKERto get that good stretch on the guttle region.

20:50SPEAKER- You said that there was a sardine question.

20:52SPEAKER- There is a sardine question.

20:54SPEAKERIt's the bottom of the emails section.

20:57SPEAKERAnd it is Mikey says,

20:59SPEAKER"I bought some of those sardines from Costco

21:01SPEAKER"based on Brad's raving about them a few ages ago.

21:04SPEAKER"What's so special about them?

21:05SPEAKER"They're nice, but they taste exactly the same

21:07SPEAKER"as the bog standard ones I can get

21:08SPEAKER"from Tesco for 40 pence a tin.

21:11SPEAKER"Brad is a tin-fished Philistine.

21:12SPEAKER"I'm actually eating some sardines right now

21:14SPEAKER"with mayo and hot sauce on a crimp-it."

21:16SPEAKERI don't know what a crimp-it is.

21:17SPEAKER- Fucking, nobody who eats something called a crimp-it

21:20SPEAKERis going to come in here and call me a Philistine.

21:23SPEAKER- It's delicious. - God dammit.

21:24SPEAKER- Bye, sorry, Will, nothing in the signal for you

21:26SPEAKERapart from praise for being a nice guy as far as I can tell.

21:29SPEAKERThanks, Mikey.

21:30SPEAKER- I don't think I ever claimed that they're like, you know.

21:33SPEAKER- I thought you just said they were cheap.

21:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I mean,

21:35SPEAKERcompared to what you can get around here in San Francisco.

21:39SPEAKER- Oh yes, sardines, the San Francisco treat.

21:41SPEAKER- Perhaps you've heard of our famous

21:43SPEAKERhighest cost of living in the United States.

21:45SPEAKER- Did you have raining anchovies the other day?

21:48SPEAKER- I'm sorry?

21:48SPEAKER- Did you not hear about the anchovy rain in San Francisco?

21:52SPEAKER- No.

21:53SPEAKER- So there's a huge anchovy boom in the Bay right now.

21:56SPEAKERAnd the seagulls are such greedy bastards

22:00SPEAKERthat they're picking out the anchovies

22:02SPEAKERand then they're too full to swallow them.

22:04SPEAKERSo they just fly around them and drop from their mouths.

22:06SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

22:07SPEAKER- So there's anchovies raining all over the Marina

22:09SPEAKERand like Richmond and the outer sunset.

22:12SPEAKER- Look, I mean,

22:13SPEAKERclearly I don't have the highest sardine standards,

22:16SPEAKERbut I don't think I would eat a secondhand sardine

22:18SPEAKERdropped from a seagull's mouth, personally.

22:22SPEAKER- I mean.

22:23SPEAKER- Those sardines are fine.

22:24SPEAKERLook, they're fine.

22:28SPEAKERThey're cheap.

22:29SPEAKER- I'm gonna ask again.

22:31SPEAKER- They're like half the price of what they cost

22:34SPEAKERat the store here.

22:35SPEAKER- Yeah, you're buying bulk.

22:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:38SPEAKER- Yeah, we actually just bought another case.

22:40SPEAKER- Wow, you guys.

22:41SPEAKER- Another 60.

22:42SPEAKERYou know why?

22:43SPEAKER- Why?

22:44SPEAKER- I mean, we just-

22:45SPEAKER- So you can have them, you know,

22:46SPEAKERin case of hard rain comes.

22:47SPEAKER- I'm looking in the hall, like there's the cost,

22:49SPEAKERwe haven't even opened the shipping box yet.

22:50SPEAKER- Wow.

22:51SPEAKER- We're sitting there,

22:52SPEAKERbut it's not like we ate all 66 cans of sardines.

22:55SPEAKERIt's more than we lost track of them.

22:57SPEAKER- Oh no.

22:58SPEAKERYou think you're gonna find cans of sardines

22:59SPEAKERwhen you move out of that apartment?

23:01SPEAKER- That's entirely possible.

23:03SPEAKER(laughing)

23:04SPEAKERI mean, again,

23:06SPEAKERSan Francisco,

23:08SPEAKERthis came up on the Discord this very morning.

23:11SPEAKERYou know how small apartments are around here.

23:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:13SPEAKERNo, houses are small, apartments are worse.

23:15SPEAKER- Right, like we didn't exactly have one spot.

23:18SPEAKERWe could put all 66 cans.

23:20SPEAKERSo they kind of got,

23:21SPEAKERthey became diffused throughout the kitchen.

23:23SPEAKER- You need a list that tracks the positions.

23:27SPEAKER- They were in little like six units,

23:28SPEAKERkind of individually wrapped.

23:30SPEAKER- Yeah, brick.

23:31SPEAKER- So yes, yes.

23:32SPEAKERBricks of sardines got distributed around the kitchen.

23:35SPEAKER- Wow.

23:36SPEAKER- And some of those bricks may have gone a wall.

23:40SPEAKER- This is like how environmental storytelling

23:43SPEAKERin open world games happen.

23:44SPEAKERSomebody will come in 10 years from now after the end times

23:47SPEAKERand they'll loot your apartment and be like,

23:48SPEAKER"Hell yeah, these sardine hoarders, what are these things?"

23:51SPEAKERAnd they'll be like,

23:51SPEAKERit'll be the best moment of their life from that point on.

23:55SPEAKER- I think I want to say those things are like three bucks

23:57SPEAKERa can around here.

23:59SPEAKER- Wow, really?

24:00SPEAKER- Or 250 or something, they're a lot.

24:01SPEAKER- If you buy them at the Safeway or whatever?

24:04SPEAKER- Everything is very expensive here.

24:06SPEAKER- Yeah, we should move.

24:07SPEAKER- Like before, around the time we stopped working downtown

24:12SPEAKERwhen you remember, do you know mixed greens?

24:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:14SPEAKER- Like really nice.

24:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like a make your own salad joint.

24:17SPEAKER- How at salad place?

24:19SPEAKERTheir salads were pushing $20.

24:21SPEAKER- Holy crap.

24:22SPEAKER- They were like 15, 16 for a nice salad at that place.

24:28SPEAKERI mean, granted, that's like a downtown eatery lunch spot,

24:31SPEAKERbut like that just to put it in perspective.

24:32SPEAKER- I remember one time after recording a bomb cast,

24:35SPEAKERI walked over and got a sushi burrito

24:36SPEAKERon my way back to the train and that thing was $20.

24:42SPEAKERAnd it was not $20 worth of sushi burrito.

24:45SPEAKER- Two.

24:46SPEAKER- No, I was sad.

24:47SPEAKERI should have had two.

24:48SPEAKERI needed two of the $20 sushi burritos.

24:51SPEAKER- We basically don't eat out anymore.

24:52SPEAKERLike food prices, particularly eating out prices.

24:55SPEAKERSo I've just gotten completely out of control.

24:57SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say that's the crazy thing

24:59SPEAKERabout coming down here

24:59SPEAKERis everything's like normal America prices down here.

25:02SPEAKER- Man, man.

25:04SPEAKER- I mean, okay.

25:05SPEAKERIt's not normal America prices.

25:06SPEAKERIt's still expensive, but it's much more manageable.

25:12SPEAKERAlthough like we don't eat a ton of fast food

25:16SPEAKERand I was shocked at how much like a few burgers

25:20SPEAKERfor the fam were on the drive down.

25:21SPEAKER'Cause like that stuff has gotten a lot more expensive.

25:25SPEAKER'Cause it was like, it's gone from like 25 bucks to 35 bucks

25:27SPEAKERfor three of us to eat now.

25:29SPEAKERIf we don't get just the basic cheeseburger or whatever.

25:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

25:35SPEAKERI started to break down like what a decent large pizza

25:38SPEAKERwould cost you to get delivered around here.

25:40SPEAKER- Probably 40 bucks, right?

25:40SPEAKER- I was going to say like 40 minimum

25:42SPEAKERunless you're doing just like the baseline cheese.

25:45SPEAKER- We have a place that makes a really good cheese pizza

25:47SPEAKERthat you can get it for like 25 bucks still in Pacifica.

25:51SPEAKERBut that's a pickup.

25:51SPEAKERThey don't do delivery at all.

25:53SPEAKER- This is depressing.

25:54SPEAKERLet's move on.

25:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:56SPEAKER- How about an email from

26:04SPEAKERTom Arndt.

26:05SPEAKER- Oh, Tom Arndt.

26:07SPEAKER- What, sorry, this was a Discord question, not an email.

26:10SPEAKER- Wow, this is a question of lies.

26:12SPEAKER- Yes.

26:13SPEAKERWhat piece of consumer technology of today

26:15SPEAKERdo you guys think will be super collectible

26:17SPEAKERby retro tech nerds in 20 years?

26:20SPEAKERLike fancy PC sound cards of the 90s

26:22SPEAKERor rare Nintendo 64 game cartridges are today?

26:25SPEAKERKind of thing that makes people go, oh damn,

26:27SPEAKERif I had known, I wouldn't have gotten rid of mine.

26:30SPEAKERI don't.

26:31SPEAKER- This is, it's a hard question to answer this.

26:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm trying to think

26:34SPEAKERif that's even going to continue to be a phenomenon

26:36SPEAKERbecause it feels like tech is so ubiquitous now

26:38SPEAKERcompared to then.

26:39SPEAKER- Well, so, okay.

26:40SPEAKERSo I think that there's two different things

26:42SPEAKERthat happen here.

26:43SPEAKERAnd this is something we've talked to a friend of the show,

26:45SPEAKERSteve Lin about kind of a lot over the years.

26:48SPEAKERBut the rare, the N64 cartridges,

26:53SPEAKERthere's always a cycle with video game stuff

26:55SPEAKERwhere for a little bit after it becomes obsolete,

26:58SPEAKERit's really, really cheap.

26:59SPEAKERAnd then as the people who grew up with that

27:02SPEAKERstart to have money and want to get their,

27:04SPEAKERbuy back their childhood memories,

27:06SPEAKERthe prices start going up again.

27:09SPEAKERAnd then after that, it becomes actually collectible

27:11SPEAKERbecause they're rare at the end of that nostalgia cycle.

27:14SPEAKERSo like that happened with the NES stuff in the 90s,

27:17SPEAKERin the late 90s.

27:19SPEAKERIt happened with the N64 fairly recently

27:21SPEAKERbecause the kids who grew up playing N64s

27:23SPEAKERin like the late 90s, early 2000s

27:25SPEAKERare turning 35 or 40 now.

27:29SPEAKERThat is pretty predictable.

27:31SPEAKERAnd like anything that is rare,

27:33SPEAKERanything that they don't make a bazillion of

27:37SPEAKERand was actually rare out of those cycles,

27:39SPEAKERlike physical media for Xbox 360 is probably for like,

27:44SPEAKERI would bet a copy of "Two Human"

27:46SPEAKERis probably actually worth something now.

27:48SPEAKER- Are you sure about that?

27:49SPEAKER- I don't know, they recalled it.

27:50SPEAKERIt's a whole thing.

27:52SPEAKER- Wait, did they forget about that?

27:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it got pulled back.

27:57SPEAKER- Why?

27:58SPEAKER- Because of the lawsuit or something.

28:00SPEAKERI can't remember.

28:01SPEAKER- Oh, the epic lawsuit, right, right.

28:02SPEAKERGosh, I completely, well, oh my God, you're right.

28:04SPEAKERCourt orders Silicon Knights to recall

28:07SPEAKERand to destroy "Two Human."

28:08SPEAKER- Yes, so-

28:09SPEAKER- Wow.

28:11SPEAKERHang on, I gotta look at my shelf.

28:12SPEAKER- I have two copies.

28:14SPEAKER- Sealed?

28:15SPEAKER- One's sealed, one's played.

28:16SPEAKER- Okay. - I like that game, it's okay.

28:18SPEAKER- Probably worth hanging on to.

28:20SPEAKERHey, look, the rest of the trilogy

28:21SPEAKERis gonna happen any day now.

28:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm just right on the desk.

28:24SPEAKERI was getting right on it.

28:29SPEAKERThe hardware is different.

28:31SPEAKER'Cause old hardware is valueless

28:34SPEAKERexcept for to collectors, right?

28:36SPEAKERThe only reason you want a 3D effects card

28:38SPEAKERis if you want it to put on your shelf

28:40SPEAKERor if you really wanna play some old Glide games.

28:43SPEAKERAnd I don't know that there's an easy way

28:45SPEAKERto play Glide games

28:46SPEAKERother than having an actual card in a system.

28:49SPEAKER- Well, you may still be right.

28:51SPEAKERI've been on the cusp of getting into 86Box

28:55SPEAKERfor a while now.

28:55SPEAKERAnd I think that thing has got pretty good emulation options

28:58SPEAKERfor some stuff of that nature, but-

28:59SPEAKER- I was gonna say that's the one exception

29:01SPEAKERis the new, DOSBox doesn't do that stuff,

29:03SPEAKERbut some of the newer emulators will.

29:06SPEAKERAnd I assume at some point the FPGA stuff

29:08SPEAKERwill get to that point too.

29:09SPEAKER- I love old hardware from a conceptual standpoint.

29:12SPEAKERI found my original Voodoo 1 in my parents' basement

29:16SPEAKERa few weeks ago and it was exciting to look at and stuff.

29:18SPEAKERBut the thing that actually makes me excited these days

29:21SPEAKERis new methods of recreating old stuff

29:24SPEAKERlike the Mr. or 86Box, stuff like that.

29:27SPEAKEROr even these little embedded 486s

29:30SPEAKERthat are still being made, like of SOCs.

29:32SPEAKERLike new recreations of old stuff in smaller form factors

29:36SPEAKERor that aren't even physically existent,

29:38SPEAKERthat's all in software.

29:40SPEAKERWays to do the same thing more efficiently

29:43SPEAKERor in a more tidy way are much more exciting to me.

29:46SPEAKER- But anything that they make a billion of

29:48SPEAKERisn't gonna be worth anything, right?

29:50SPEAKERLike there's not gonna be a collectible iPhone 13, you know?

29:56SPEAKERI think like your last iPods and stuff like that,

29:59SPEAKERpeople are starting to do the thing

30:00SPEAKERwhere they mod the iPods and put an SSD in a classic iPod.

30:04SPEAKER- Yeah, a friend of the pod, West Finland,

30:06SPEAKERreached out recently.

30:08SPEAKERHe did that exact thing.

30:10SPEAKER- We should have a mod to talk about it.

30:11SPEAKERIt's really cool.

30:12SPEAKER- We should talk to him about it.

30:15SPEAKERBut yeah, so I haven't actually gotten rid

30:19SPEAKERof the VR dev kit hardware that I have.

30:22SPEAKERI think some of the early gen VR hardware

30:24SPEAKERmaybe is gonna end up being a little bit collectible,

30:26SPEAKERbut I think it'll not be for nostalgia,

30:28SPEAKERbut because there actually just weren't very many

30:29SPEAKERof those pieces of hardware made.

30:31SPEAKER- Right, more historical curiosity.

30:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:35SPEAKER- Do you wanna take this pair of work from home questions?

30:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I thought those were actually a good pairing.

30:40SPEAKER- I'll just, they actually happen to get asked

30:42SPEAKERright next to each other.

30:43SPEAKERI'll just read them both even though

30:45SPEAKERthey're slightly different from Fernando.

30:47SPEAKERIn the new age of teleworking,

30:48SPEAKERwhat tips do you have to reduce echo,

30:51SPEAKERa room echo and reverb as well as background noise?

30:53SPEAKERI'm in a home office that doubles as a VR game room

30:56SPEAKERwith minimal furniture and my work computer

30:59SPEAKERdoesn't allow me to install things like Nvidia broadcast.

31:02SPEAKERAnd then, oh, come on Google Docs.

31:07SPEAKERI hit the key and it jumped.

31:08SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh.

31:10SPEAKER- From Mr. Specter, I was wondering,

31:14SPEAKERI'm now 18 months into working from home

31:15SPEAKERand as I will now be working from home

31:17SPEAKERfor the foreseeable future,

31:18SPEAKERI am looking at how I can keep it tight.

31:21SPEAKERWhat do you both like and dislike about working from home?

31:23SPEAKERAnd do you have any top tips or tech for a noob

31:26SPEAKERlooking to stay healthy and time manage?

31:29SPEAKERYou wanna take the reverb echo one

31:32SPEAKERis probably a lot easier to address.

31:34SPEAKER- Kind of, yeah, like the Nvidia broadcast stuff

31:37SPEAKERis kind of magical.

31:39SPEAKERThe other option is to get a better microphone,

31:41SPEAKERlike a tighter pattern, a microphone with a tighter pattern.

31:45SPEAKERSo you can get stick on mics that are like,

31:48SPEAKERthey're called ModMics makes one,

31:52SPEAKERLogitech makes one on the blue line

31:54SPEAKERthat's just like a glue on microphone.

31:56SPEAKERYou can stick on the side of your headphones,

31:58SPEAKERit'll be a boom.

31:59SPEAKERShure makes them, but they require XLR inputs

32:02SPEAKERand they'll have tighter super cardioid patterns

32:05SPEAKERthat you have to put the microphone right up on your mouth

32:07SPEAKERand that will help with room echo.

32:09SPEAKERThe other thing you can do,

32:11SPEAKERthere's a ton of guides on instructables

32:15SPEAKERabout how to make audio baffling cheap.

32:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the other one that I was gonna mention,

32:19SPEAKERalthough that's kind of a commitment.

32:20SPEAKERI mean, that's like an aesthetic commitment

32:22SPEAKERas well as the work of putting it up

32:23SPEAKERbecause like it's going to kind of dominate

32:25SPEAKERthe look of the room a little bit.

32:26SPEAKER- Well, so the thing I find, I have them behind my monitors

32:30SPEAKERand I found that it doesn't really,

32:34SPEAKER'cause it's behind stuff that blocks the entirety

32:38SPEAKERof your view.

32:39SPEAKER- Sure, that's fair.

32:40SPEAKERAlso like honestly, I think like well-mounted baffling

32:43SPEAKERthat's intelligently laid out

32:44SPEAKERactually can look kind of nice.

32:46SPEAKER- Yeah, if you make it look okay,

32:47SPEAKERif you do a nice job on it, it looks pretty okay.

32:52SPEAKERThe other thing is corners are bad.

32:54SPEAKERSo if you want to do the janky thing,

32:56SPEAKERyou can just take some like cheap foam eggshell

32:59SPEAKERand tack it up into the corners of the room

33:01SPEAKERand that will help more than anything else probably.

33:04SPEAKERThe other big, big one is if you have hardwood,

33:09SPEAKERputting a throw rug down will make a big impact

33:12SPEAKERjust out of the gate.

33:13SPEAKER- Sure, okay, the more general question,

33:16SPEAKERwhat do we like and dislike about working from home

33:18SPEAKERand do we have any tips?

33:21SPEAKERGosh, I'm well into, you've been doing it forever.

33:23SPEAKER- I've been doing this since 2015, yeah.

33:25SPEAKER- I'm only about two years and change in.

33:29SPEAKERI love that I was at home

33:32SPEAKERfor the majority of my daughter's childhood.

33:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds like it's very common

33:37SPEAKERfor parents who work from home.

33:39SPEAKER- Yeah, like it meant that I was here,

33:42SPEAKERwell, it meant that I was able to help Gina with stuff

33:44SPEAKERwhen like she was overwhelmed

33:46SPEAKERor just needed a break a little bit when she was young.

33:49SPEAKERIt means that like, now she's like,

33:52SPEAKER"Hey dad, can you play a game of Fortnite at four o'clock?

33:54SPEAKERThen I'm here and I can do it."

33:56SPEAKERAnd that's awesome.

33:59SPEAKERLike the danger is when like you don't,

34:04SPEAKERwhen your work hours and your not work hours

34:06SPEAKERbleed into each other.

34:07SPEAKER- Yeah, so the first thing I was gonna say I like,

34:11SPEAKERor especially early on when we first went to work from home

34:14SPEAKERwas the flexibility.

34:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:15SPEAKER- Was the, 'cause like I was,

34:17SPEAKEReven when we were going to an office,

34:19SPEAKERI was still like spending time going through my inbox

34:21SPEAKERand other work related stuff before I went in anyway.

34:24SPEAKERSo like removing the commute and just kind of like,

34:28SPEAKERyou know, reducing that overhead basically.

34:29SPEAKER- Getting that commute time back is huge.

34:32SPEAKER- Right, it was nice.

34:33SPEAKERBut then like you said, yes,

34:34SPEAKERthen work can tend to just bleed through

34:37SPEAKERinto all of your time,

34:38SPEAKERespecially when you're sitting at the same place all day long.

34:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say if you only have,

34:46SPEAKERlike having a dedicated space for work

34:49SPEAKERthat is not also your dedicated space

34:50SPEAKERfor like playing games or whatever is important.

34:54SPEAKERIf that's practical, that helps.

34:56SPEAKER- Yeah, a little like in my case, I mean, your case as well,

34:59SPEAKERlike we don't have room for two desks, you know?

35:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:02SPEAKER- Like before when I was still in our office,

35:03SPEAKERI spent a ton of time,

35:04SPEAKERlike recreational time at this desk,

35:08SPEAKERjust doing computer stuff.

35:09SPEAKERAnd now that's also where work happens

35:11SPEAKERand that can be less than great.

35:14SPEAKER- It's a lot sometimes.

35:15SPEAKERI have a friend who lived in a one bedroom apartment

35:17SPEAKERfor the entirety of the pandemic.

35:19SPEAKERAnd so his bedroom and his office were the same place.

35:23SPEAKERAnd like the quality of life improvement he's had

35:27SPEAKERby moving to a two bedroom apartment

35:29SPEAKERwhere he can have like his,

35:31SPEAKEReven separating the sleep area

35:33SPEAKERand the work/play area out has been hugely important.

35:37SPEAKER- Oh, for sure.

35:39SPEAKER- The thing that two plus years in actually at this point,

35:41SPEAKERthe thing that's getting to me the most is like,

35:43SPEAKERit's a combination of not having a reason to leave the house

35:46SPEAKERand not seeing people anymore.

35:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:48SPEAKER- Granted, there's still COVID stuff to worry about,

35:50SPEAKERbut like, I see one person face-to-face on a regular basis.

35:54SPEAKER- You guys need to come down for,

35:56SPEAKERwe need to barbecue when we're back in town

35:57SPEAKER'cause like I would love to see you in person.

36:00SPEAKER- We should do that.

36:01SPEAKEREnjoy the fine Bay Area summer.

36:04SPEAKER- The fog summer.

36:06SPEAKER- Get out in the gloom.

36:07SPEAKER- Taking walks is super important.

36:09SPEAKER- Yes.

36:10SPEAKER- I fell out of that habit for a while

36:12SPEAKERand like my mental state declined dramatically.

36:15SPEAKER- And physical state, I'm sure.

36:17SPEAKER- Yeah, he mentioned he's looking for tips to stay healthy

36:21SPEAKERis one of the things he said.

36:22SPEAKERSo I'm sure that's a concern.

36:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we've mentioned it before.

36:26SPEAKERLike I did not realize how much kind of passive exercise

36:30SPEAKERI was getting out of my commute every day

36:32SPEAKERuntil I stopped doing it.

36:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:34SPEAKER- And then like six months after work from home started,

36:36SPEAKERI was like winded walking up a flight of stairs

36:38SPEAKERand I was like, oh wow,

36:39SPEAKERI'm not like getting any kind of cardiovascular workout

36:42SPEAKERat all.

36:43SPEAKER- Just walking three blocks,

36:45SPEAKERit turns out is pretty good for you.

36:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so like, you know, if it works for you,

36:50SPEAKERlike something that tracks your steps is pretty good.

36:53SPEAKERYou know, like I've been setting a baseline,

36:56SPEAKERlike I need to walk 5,000 steps a day

36:58SPEAKERand like that helps just some kind of metric to strive for

37:02SPEAKERhelps you kind of stay on track.

37:03SPEAKER- The other thing I like is because I'm at home,

37:07SPEAKERI tend to eat less garbage for lunch.

37:10SPEAKERLike I don't go out for lunch as much, stuff like that.

37:13SPEAKERAnd I think when we come back from this trip,

37:15SPEAKERit's one of the things we've been talking about

37:16SPEAKER'cause I've been enjoying like hopping in the pool

37:18SPEAKERor swimming in the afternoon or whatever.

37:20SPEAKERAnd I think I'm going to start trying to like,

37:23SPEAKERgo on a lunchtime walk where I either eat my sandwich

37:25SPEAKERwhile I'm walking or-

37:26SPEAKER- Huh, that's quite a scene.

37:29SPEAKER- Well, or just like, you know,

37:31SPEAKERgo for a walk and then come back and snarf the sandwich

37:33SPEAKERwhen I'm back or whatever.

37:34SPEAKER- Sure, or like take it to a bench.

37:36SPEAKERYou can sit down and eat the sandwich

37:37SPEAKERand that makes more sense.

37:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I can be a bench guy.

37:40SPEAKER- Sure.

37:41SPEAKER- Always wanted to be a bench guy.

37:42SPEAKER- Benches are pretty cool.

37:44SPEAKER- And like the last thing I'll say, like I've been trying

37:46SPEAKERto do better at this too, is like find some,

37:49SPEAKERfind some really basic quick exercises that you can do

37:51SPEAKERin like three to five minutes.

37:52SPEAKER- Like butt clenches?

37:53SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

37:54SPEAKER- I'm doing it right now.

37:55SPEAKER- Like whatever works.

37:59SPEAKER- Gotta get toned.

38:00SPEAKER- But like that's, you know,

38:03SPEAKERlike the research on that stuff is crazy.

38:05SPEAKERLike when you look at the, like the longevity benefits

38:08SPEAKERto just even like a few, like single digit minutes

38:11SPEAKERof walking three or four times a day are kind of crazy.

38:15SPEAKER- The New York Times, I mean, it's a thing now,

38:19SPEAKERbut there was that seven minute workout

38:21SPEAKERthat is like the New York Times thing.

38:23SPEAKERI do that on the reg.

38:25SPEAKERLike if I'm, honestly, when I'm sitting there

38:28SPEAKERand I'm like, oh man, my ass is asleep.

38:30SPEAKERIt's like, that's the sign that I need to get up

38:33SPEAKERand do something and I'll do like seven minutes

38:34SPEAKERof jumping jacks and lunges and squat thrusts

38:39SPEAKERand stuff like that.

38:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it helps me to tell myself

38:42SPEAKERlike this doesn't have to be 30 minutes.

38:43SPEAKERIt doesn't have to be an hour.

38:44SPEAKERLike I don't have to be dripping sweat at the end

38:46SPEAKERfor this to be valuable.

38:47SPEAKERLike five minutes of some leg exercises is super valuable.

38:51SPEAKER- Also going on a walk is nice.

38:53SPEAKERI just, it's nice.

38:55SPEAKERIt's hard during the winter

38:55SPEAKERwhen it starts to get dark earlier.

38:57SPEAKERThat's when I have the problem

38:58SPEAKER'cause I don't like getting up early in the morning

39:00SPEAKERand yeah.

39:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that one's rough around here.

39:04SPEAKERLike my partner, in the winter, my partner is gone

39:07SPEAKERbefore the sun comes up, before I wake up

39:09SPEAKERand then it doesn't get home until after it's dark.

39:11SPEAKERAnd it's like, that's not great for like time outside

39:14SPEAKERand stuff, but anyway.

39:17SPEAKER- We used to, I used to do like VR stuff

39:20SPEAKERlike Beat Saber and Pistol Whip and stuff like that

39:22SPEAKERduring the winter.

39:23SPEAKERAnd then I stopped and maybe I'll do that again this winter.

39:29SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a good one.

39:30SPEAKERSounds fun.

39:32SPEAKERLet's see, a couple of quick tech questions

39:35SPEAKERthat I super didn't look up the answers for.

39:37SPEAKER- Oh cool. - Time to speculate.

39:40SPEAKERQuestion from Lebkin.

39:42SPEAKERWhy do modern video cards seem to favor DisplayPort

39:44SPEAKERover other connector options?

39:45SPEAKERIs there a technological advantage?

39:47SPEAKERMy video card has three DisplayPorts and only one HDMI.

39:50SPEAKERI've never owned any DisplayPort capable displays,

39:53SPEAKERmonitors or TVs.

39:56SPEAKERI had thought for a long time

39:57SPEAKERthat it was an also ran against HDMI

39:59SPEAKERlike FireWire was to USB,

40:01SPEAKERbut clearly it's still a winner to lots of people.

40:04SPEAKER- DisplayPort has more bandwidth.

40:07SPEAKER- Yes, until recently.

40:09SPEAKERLike I believe that changed finally with HDMI 2.1,

40:12SPEAKERbut for a long time, whatever,

40:14SPEAKERwhat's the one point DisplayPort one point.

40:17SPEAKER- 1.4 supports 32.4 gigabits with HDR.

40:21SPEAKER- Yeah. - And so it's 8K resolutions

40:23SPEAKERat 60 Hertz or higher refresh rates with lower resolutions.

40:26SPEAKER- Yeah, so essentially for a long time,

40:28SPEAKERthe newest DisplayPort was just more capable

40:30SPEAKERthan the newest HDMI.

40:32SPEAKERAlso, I'm guessing he's probably got an older monitor

40:35SPEAKERbecause most new monitors that I've seen

40:38SPEAKERwhen I looked around at them

40:39SPEAKERwere like two DisplayPorts, one HDMI, stuff like that.

40:42SPEAKER- Yeah, so HDMI 2.1, the more recent version

40:46SPEAKERis up to 48 gigabits.

40:48SPEAKERIt does support like home theater type stuff.

40:50SPEAKERIt has EAC, the audio return channel,

40:54SPEAKERthe remote control stuff.

40:56SPEAKERThe TLDR is that, also I don't think DisplayPort,

40:59SPEAKERDisplayPort supports the HDCP type DRM,

41:03SPEAKERbut it's not like a home theater spec is the idea.

41:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe DisplayPort 2.0 just got published

41:13SPEAKERin the last couple of years or something.

41:16SPEAKERBut now that HDMI, like I feel like HDMI

41:19SPEAKERis definitely more common across like EV home theater stuff.

41:22SPEAKERI wonder if DisplayPort is going to claw

41:25SPEAKERany real estate back or if we're just kind of on HDMI

41:28SPEAKERfrom now on.

41:29SPEAKER- My assumption is that outside of like 8K TVs,

41:33SPEAKERwe'll see HDMI on TVs and DisplayPort on monitors

41:39SPEAKERfor forever and ever and ever.

41:41SPEAKER- That's my good Lord.

41:42SPEAKERDisplayPort 2.0 pushes a 77.4 gigabits per second.

41:47SPEAKER- Excuse me.

41:48SPEAKER- Bless you.

41:49SPEAKERI guess, I mean, presumably 4K at much higher refresh

41:54SPEAKERis going to be a thing in the next five, 10 years.

41:56SPEAKERSo we'll probably need DisplayPort for that.

41:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't, I'm skeptical that we'll have

42:01SPEAKERconsumer console type hardware that makes that

42:03SPEAKERworth having, but.

42:04SPEAKER- Yeah, you're probably right.

42:06SPEAKEROkay, what was my next text question?

42:09SPEAKERRunner Matty asks, is there any reason

42:12SPEAKERnot to completely fill up a hard drive?

42:14SPEAKERI always seem to keep 10% free space minimum

42:16SPEAKERaside from C drives, which obviously needs space

42:18SPEAKERfor installs, et cetera.

42:22SPEAKER- I mean.

42:23SPEAKER- I think it probably depends on the file system

42:25SPEAKERto some degree.

42:26SPEAKER- Well, yeah, like if you're talking about ZFS,

42:28SPEAKERkeeping too much, keeping it too full

42:31SPEAKERdramatically increases the CPU memory overhead.

42:34SPEAKER- And also performance, like it'll bust down

42:35SPEAKERits performance because, but that's an edge case.

42:38SPEAKERLike ZFS has a bunch of metadata that kind of exists

42:40SPEAKERinvisibly on the drive with the actual data

42:42SPEAKERand that's why you need extra space.

42:44SPEAKER- Yeah, Windows behaves really weirdly

42:46SPEAKERif you fill up your C drive, like nine times out of 10

42:50SPEAKERif my computer is acting weird, it's because I've messed up

42:53SPEAKERsomewhere and there's a 20 terabyte video

42:56SPEAKERor not a 20 terabyte, but a massive video

42:58SPEAKERthat I left on a hard drive someplace.

43:01SPEAKER- Sure, I started to say like keep your C drive

43:03SPEAKERsomewhat empty for swap, but I mean,

43:05SPEAKERswap is like blocked out ahead of time.

43:06SPEAKER- It's fixed, yeah.

43:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:09SPEAKER- I don't, like the reason to keep the C drive free

43:13SPEAKERis that Windows uses C drive for all sorts of,

43:15SPEAKERlike Windows and applications use C drive for weird stuff

43:17SPEAKERand if it can't find space for that, weird things happen.

43:20SPEAKERLike Adobe uses your C drive usually for media swap,

43:25SPEAKERor for scratch disk rather.

43:28SPEAKERWindows saves all sorts of temp files there

43:30SPEAKERand if you get to the point that those temp files

43:32SPEAKERdon't have room, Windows gets slow for inexplicable reasons.

43:37SPEAKERI don't think there's a reason to keep things

43:40SPEAKERless than 10% unless you want to.

43:43SPEAKERLike if you have a game that's, like I have an SSD

43:46SPEAKERthat's just games that's like, I don't know,

43:48SPEAKERit's probably pretty full.

43:50SPEAKERYeah, it's.

43:52SPEAKER- Do you think NTFS is ever going away?

43:55SPEAKER- I, there are multiple times I've wished

43:57SPEAKERthat there was a better file system for Windows

43:59SPEAKERand Mac recently.

44:00SPEAKER- I think Microsoft has felt the same way apparently.

44:04SPEAKER- I mean.

44:05SPEAKER- Considering their attempts to replace it over the years.

44:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know that anybody,

44:11SPEAKERI don't know that the cost of changing that

44:16SPEAKERfrom a like backwards compatibility and user hassle support

44:19SPEAKERis worth the pain for most people, but yeah.

44:24SPEAKER- What was the Longhorn?

44:26SPEAKER- Longhorn had the WinDB, which was basically the idea

44:30SPEAKERwhere they could put the whole file system in a database,

44:31SPEAKERwhich was also a bad idea for completely predictable reasons.

44:35SPEAKER- Right, and that never came to pass.

44:36SPEAKERI mean, Microsoft has a newer file system, ReFS,

44:40SPEAKERresilient file system, but it's mostly available

44:42SPEAKERin the like workstation and server tier Windowses.

44:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:49SPEAKER- Well, I think ReFS might be copy on write,

44:52SPEAKERwhich is like what kind of the next generation file systems

44:55SPEAKERare, but anyway.

44:56SPEAKER- Yeah, my assumption is that, I mean,

44:58SPEAKERthe speculation is that Windows 11 is kind of a tweener OS

45:02SPEAKERthat bridges between Windows 10 and whatever

45:04SPEAKERthe next next gen Windows is gonna be,

45:07SPEAKERwhich supports more modern stuff.

45:09SPEAKER- Yeah, we should, I don't know if we should,

45:10SPEAKERprobably not time for another Windows episode yet,

45:12SPEAKERbut did you see this stuff going around

45:14SPEAKERthat Microsoft is looking to move to a more Mac OS

45:17SPEAKERlike release cadence with like yearly updates

45:20SPEAKERand like essentially Windows 12 is not that far off.

45:24SPEAKERLike they're looking to iterate the version number

45:26SPEAKERmuch more rapidly.

45:28SPEAKER- I mean, it's on one hand, I'm kind of annoyed

45:30SPEAKERbecause when they launched Windows 10, they were like,

45:31SPEAKERthis is the Windows forever.

45:34SPEAKEROn the other hand, do you think that there's any,

45:40SPEAKERdo you think there's anybody that looks and is like,

45:42SPEAKERoh man, Mac OS is on 11 now, I only have Windows 10.

45:47SPEAKERDo you think my Windows sucks because it's only a 10

45:49SPEAKERand not an 11, like I can't imagine there's anybody

45:51SPEAKERthat thinks that.

45:52SPEAKER- It's also dumb, but I mean, remember the name Xbox 360

45:57SPEAKERcame about because Sony was launching a console

45:59SPEAKERcalled PlayStation 3.

46:00SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I know, I know.

46:03SPEAKER- But at the same time, I was kind of annoyed

46:04SPEAKERwhen Apple pushed to Mac OS 11, it's like just leave it alone

46:09SPEAKERlike Mac OS 10, Windows 10, like just leave it, who cares.

46:13SPEAKERBut I mean, I guess there is, you know,

46:15SPEAKERwhen there's a change as big as Windows 11,

46:17SPEAKERit's probably value and rebranding to that extent,

46:20SPEAKERjust to like drive home the message that like,

46:22SPEAKERhey, this is pretty substantially different.

46:24SPEAKER- Well, I would expect some sort of core

46:26SPEAKERunderlying technology change.

46:28SPEAKERLike OS 11 is basically moving from x86 to M1s

46:31SPEAKERto their ARM SOCs.

46:34SPEAKER- Is that when they made the change?

46:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:36SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

46:37SPEAKER- I mean, I assume that there's, you know,

46:41SPEAKERI don't actually know, I assume that there's x86 versions

46:44SPEAKERof OS 11, but that was when they launched the M1 Macs.

46:48SPEAKER- Yeah, you can still get even the very current,

46:50SPEAKERare they on 12 now?

46:53SPEAKER- I don't have any idea. - That's right, isn't it?

46:54SPEAKER- Ventura is the next one.

46:55SPEAKER- Yeah, Monterey is 12, yes.

46:57SPEAKERYeah, I mean, you still get x86 versions

46:59SPEAKERof the very newest.

47:00SPEAKER- Yeah, so.

47:01SPEAKER- I just, it'll probably be a while

47:03SPEAKERbefore they stop offering those.

47:04SPEAKER- I would assume, yeah, so I don't know.

47:07SPEAKERI, yeah, who knows?

47:12SPEAKERIt's impossible to say.

47:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:15SPEAKER- I want my file systems though.

47:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:19SPEAKERShall I keep, God, don't get me started.

47:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I know you, I know, I know.

47:23SPEAKERLook, we could do an entire side podcast.

47:25SPEAKERIt's just us talking about different file systems.

47:27SPEAKER- I mean, maybe this will be patron episode material,

47:30SPEAKERbut like, so I have to move to Linux.

47:33SPEAKERMy NAS is going to have to move to Linux

47:35SPEAKERbecause the newer Intel CPUs with the hybrid architecture

47:39SPEAKERthat have the big and little cores,

47:41SPEAKERthat is completely not supported in FreeBSD.

47:44SPEAKERAnd it's only supported in Linux

47:45SPEAKERon like the very newest kernels.

47:48SPEAKERSo I actually have to just do a vanilla Linux install

47:51SPEAKER'cause even the Linux based true NAS

47:52SPEAKERhas not caught up to that support yet.

47:57SPEAKERAnd so, yeah, I'm in that world now.

48:00SPEAKER- Brad, we should do a ranking of file systems.

48:03SPEAKER- Look, I am in no way qualified to do that.

48:06SPEAKER- All the more reason, anyway.

48:08SPEAKERBut I mean, there's the whole situation on Linux

48:11SPEAKERwith like copy and write file systems is ridiculous

48:14SPEAKERbecause like ZFS is incredible,

48:16SPEAKERbut it's not licensed compatible with Linux

48:18SPEAKERto the extent that they'll let it into the kernel.

48:19SPEAKERSo that's a whole mess.

48:21SPEAKERLike there's butter FS,

48:22SPEAKERwhich has its own technical problems.

48:25SPEAKERThere's B cache FS,

48:26SPEAKERwhich sounds like it's going to be pretty great

48:28SPEAKERif all the hype is to be believed,

48:30SPEAKERbut that's not quite ready anyway.

48:34SPEAKERLet's move on.

48:35SPEAKER- Should we do an email?

48:36SPEAKER- Oh yeah, go ahead.

48:39SPEAKERSo let's see, hold on.

48:42SPEAKERI had one and I lost it here.

48:44SPEAKERThis is why I usually read the emails.

48:45SPEAKEROh, here we go.

48:46SPEAKERAustin says, "I am setting up a CRT TV

48:49SPEAKERfor my old consoles in my office.

48:51SPEAKERWould it look better to hook up my PS2 slim

48:53SPEAKERwith component cables to an HGTV

48:55SPEAKERor with RCA cables to the CRT alongside my NES and PS1?

49:00SPEAKERI have to buy an RCA to coax RF modulator to connect it.

49:03SPEAKERAnd it has been 10 years since I've had a tube TV

49:05SPEAKERto compare."

49:06SPEAKER- Gosh, that was a lot to keep up with.

49:08SPEAKERSo the CRT only has composite in?

49:10SPEAKERIs that what you're saying?

49:11SPEAKER- It's a PS2 slim with component cables to an HGTV

49:16SPEAKERor alternately to use the RCA cables to the CRT

49:21SPEAKERalongside the NES and PS1.

49:23SPEAKERI almost think for PS2, you're better.

49:24SPEAKERI mean, you probably get more lines

49:26SPEAKERwith the component cables,

49:28SPEAKERbut I think I'd rather have the CRT refresh rates

49:31SPEAKERon the PS2 'cause like Preppa and stuff like that.

49:35SPEAKERPreppa's a PS1 game though, isn't it?

49:37SPEAKER- Yes. Yeah, but well, depending on,

49:39SPEAKERI can't remember if all PS2s ran PS1 games.

49:42SPEAKERI think they all did.

49:43SPEAKER- I think they all did

49:44SPEAKER'cause the audio chip was the PS1 chip, right?

49:46SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

49:49SPEAKERI think it was for IO.

49:50SPEAKERI believe the CPU of the original PlayStation

49:52SPEAKERwas included for IO in the PS2.

49:54SPEAKERThat's how they got backwards compatibility there.

49:56SPEAKERI'm still trying to get everything straight.

49:58SPEAKERSo when they say HGTV,

50:00SPEAKERI assume they're talking about a modern,

50:01SPEAKERlike an LCD or an overhead, not a CRT.

50:03SPEAKER- That was my relatively modern HGTV

50:05SPEAKERthat has component inputs.

50:06SPEAKERThat was my assumption.

50:07SPEAKER- Yeah, and so I assume they're saying composite slash RCA

50:11SPEAKERis the only thing that can go into the CRT.

50:13SPEAKEROr wait, you said they're going through an RF converter?

50:15SPEAKER- I have to buy an RCA to coax RF modulator to connect it.

50:19SPEAKEROh yeah, that's a real wild card.

50:21SPEAKERThat's gonna look bad.

50:23SPEAKER- I'm gonna say that's a hard no on that one.

50:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think you're right.

50:26SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I don't know, I'm torn.

50:30SPEAKERLike if you were asking 1990,

50:34SPEAKERsay eight, nine, me.

50:37SPEAKER- Component at all costs, right?

50:39SPEAKER- I would say hell no.

50:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:41SPEAKER- Like I got off of composite to S-video

50:43SPEAKERas fast as I possibly could in like the SNES era.

50:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:46SPEAKER- And then by the time I was on my last year-

50:49SPEAKER- Did you make an S-video for the SNES?

50:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:53SPEAKER- Just by a separate, one of those weird cables?

50:55SPEAKER- Nintendo had that multi out.

50:57SPEAKER- Oh, huh, I didn't know that.

50:58SPEAKER- Connector on all their, not all.

51:00SPEAKERI don't think the NES, maybe the NES had that too.

51:02SPEAKER- The NES had two RCAs, RCA for analog audio

51:05SPEAKERand analog video, that was it.

51:07SPEAKER- You got me second guessing myself.

51:08SPEAKER- But the SNES did have the,

51:10SPEAKERthe SNES had the weird keyed,

51:12SPEAKERlike long flat gray connector.

51:14SPEAKER- That's the multi out,

51:15SPEAKERthat was a custom Nintendo connector,

51:17SPEAKERbut that was common to, I believe,

51:19SPEAKERall the way up through the GameCube

51:20SPEAKERand maybe even the Wii supported that?

51:23SPEAKER- GameCube supported it, I believe.

51:24SPEAKERI don't think Wii did.

51:25SPEAKER- I have confirmed that I'm not insane.

51:27SPEAKERThe SNES absolutely could do S-video.

51:29SPEAKER- That's cool, I didn't know that.

51:30SPEAKER- And then yeah, by the time I got,

51:31SPEAKERmy last CRT had straight up component on it.

51:33SPEAKERSo I was doing everything component that I could.

51:37SPEAKERBut the thing I was gonna say is like some people,

51:39SPEAKERit's weird, like you're starting to see like emulators

51:42SPEAKERand things that have, you know,

51:43SPEAKERscreen filtering to achieve looks, the looks of old TVs.

51:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:48SPEAKER- Some people are seeking out the composite look

51:50SPEAKERbecause it's what they grew up with.

51:51SPEAKER- The kind of muddiness.

51:53SPEAKER- It's very fuzzy.

51:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:55SPEAKER- Composite, I remember composite being extremely fuzzy

51:56SPEAKERon edges and stuff.

51:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:58SPEAKER- And RF, if you're converting RF into that,

52:01SPEAKERit's gonna be even worse.

52:02SPEAKERBut again, I was gonna say there's like maybe some

52:04SPEAKERnostalgic value to seeing stuff that way.

52:07SPEAKER- Well, and I was gonna say the other thing I found

52:09SPEAKERis that the component inputs to like the era of HD TVs

52:14SPEAKERthat are flat screens that have component inputs,

52:18SPEAKERthe ADC that does the analog to digital conversion there

52:22SPEAKERwas usually so slow that anything that's latency dependent

52:25SPEAKERis going to be unplayable.

52:27SPEAKERLike you want me to play Guitar Hero

52:28SPEAKERon that monitor probably.

52:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:31SPEAKER- And in this case, gosh, I might say go for the CRT,

52:38SPEAKERversus a PS2 though, that's another thing

52:40SPEAKERis like 2D consoles, like pixel, NES, SNES, Genesis era

52:45SPEAKERis one thing over RF and composite.

52:48SPEAKERLike the newer 3D consoles is quite another, I think.

52:51SPEAKER- I feel like going back to the PS2 and PS1

52:54SPEAKERand like those early 3D consoles,

52:57SPEAKERI feel like some muddiness helps.

52:59SPEAKER- You know what, you're actually probably right.

53:01SPEAKER- A little scunge on an N64 looks okay.

53:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I would probably go for the CRT in this case.

53:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that would be my preference, I think.

53:10SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, shall I do some more Discord cues here?

53:15SPEAKER- Yeah, turn some more cues into A's.

53:17SPEAKER- Man, I don't have a great answer for this,

53:18SPEAKERbut I'm trying to think of one from Sank.

53:22SPEAKER- So you're really selling this hard, Brad.

53:24SPEAKER- Oh, it's an interesting question, I just can't decide.

53:26SPEAKER- I mean, sometimes it's worth asking the question

53:28SPEAKERto spot a conversation in the thread.

53:31SPEAKER- If you could send a flagship NASA mission

53:33SPEAKERto any space object and have it arrive in your lifetime,

53:36SPEAKERwhat object would it be and why?

53:38SPEAKERI think for the purposes of this experiment,

53:39SPEAKERwe all also have to like say that the data coming back

53:44SPEAKERhas to arrive instantly and et cetera.

53:46SPEAKER- Is the flagship mission, does that mean it's people

53:48SPEAKERor does that mean it's robots?

53:50SPEAKER- Oh gosh, I guess that's another variable here.

53:52SPEAKERBut I think at a baseline, you have to be able to say,

53:55SPEAKERlike I want to get all the data possible back

53:57SPEAKERthat I could like see and appreciate

53:59SPEAKERand not worry about like the actual travel times,

54:01SPEAKERspeed of light, et cetera.

54:03SPEAKERI don't know.

54:05SPEAKER- Well, to any space object, see,

54:06SPEAKERI thought this was a solar system question,

54:08SPEAKERnot a interstellar question.

54:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it just says any space object.

54:15SPEAKERSo it could be anything, which like at that point,

54:18SPEAKERI feel like that's maybe getting a little grandiose.

54:19SPEAKER- I mean, like we're talking about magic

54:21SPEAKERif we're talking about sending it to any space object

54:23SPEAKERand having it arrive in our lifetime.

54:24SPEAKER- But like, you know.

54:27SPEAKER- Yeah, we have to pick one.

54:29SPEAKER- The black hole in the center of the galaxy.

54:31SPEAKER- That's exactly what I was going to say.

54:32SPEAKERSagittarius A star, the supermassive black hole

54:35SPEAKERat the center of the galaxy was my first response

54:37SPEAKERto this question instantly when I read it.

54:42SPEAKERLike observing a black hole or, you know,

54:44SPEAKERmore to the point, like the effects of,

54:47SPEAKERand the accretion disk around a black hole,

54:49SPEAKERI think would be my number one.

54:51SPEAKER- Yeah, like if we're keeping it real,

54:55SPEAKERI'm going to say like Enceladus, I don't know how to say it.

54:58SPEAKERThe moon of Saturn that has the oceans underneath.

55:01SPEAKER- I think that's how you say it.

55:03SPEAKER- Or Europa maybe, I don't know one of those.

55:05SPEAKERI mean, Europa Clipper is a real thing

55:07SPEAKERthat's going to happen, it seems like, so.

55:09SPEAKER- I mean, how magical are we talking here?

55:13SPEAKER- I mean, we just talked about going to this black hole

55:16SPEAKERat the center of the galaxy, so.

55:18SPEAKER- I mean, if I could just keep going,

55:20SPEAKERthen I would just say like,

55:22SPEAKERwhat's beyond the event horizon?

55:25SPEAKERThat might be a little too magical for this question.

55:26SPEAKER- That maybe is too magical for this question.

55:28SPEAKERBrad, you know what?

55:29SPEAKERYou know, the only thing that traverses an event horizon

55:31SPEAKERas Interstellar has taught us is love.

55:33SPEAKER- Yes, of course.

55:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:35SPEAKER- Of course, and future higher dimensional human beings.

55:38SPEAKER- Well, that was love.

55:40SPEAKER- Oh, well, sure.

55:40SPEAKER- That's where the love came in.

55:42SPEAKER- I guess, yes, and space magic.

55:44SPEAKER- Yeah, love.

55:45SPEAKER- And a causality paradox.

55:47SPEAKER- Look, it's all love.

55:48SPEAKERYou just keep saying love and it works out.

55:50SPEAKER- But you don't ever say it out loud.

55:52SPEAKERAnd then you say that quote about some people

55:54SPEAKERjust wanting to watch the world,

55:56SPEAKERdo not go gently into this dark night.

55:58SPEAKERYou say that like three times too.

55:59SPEAKERThat's the secret of traversing the event horizon.

56:02SPEAKER- Some people just want to watch the world

56:03SPEAKERbe extruded into a single file line of atoms.

56:07SPEAKER- Have you seen everything everywhere all at once?

56:09SPEAKER- No.

56:10SPEAKER- Oh man, you gotta watch that too.

56:12SPEAKEROkay, anyway.

56:14SPEAKER- I should do that.

56:14SPEAKERWe've got to get an astrophysicist onto this podcast.

56:17SPEAKERI know I've, not only have I said that before,

56:19SPEAKERbut people I've offered before, it's my fault.

56:21SPEAKER- Oh.

56:22SPEAKER- People have, people in Discord have offered

56:23SPEAKERto put us in touch with people.

56:24SPEAKER- Hello.

56:28SPEAKERYou want to do a few more?

56:29SPEAKER- Yeah, let's see.

56:31SPEAKERI have another one.

56:32SPEAKERI was waiting whether I should just keep babbling about space

56:36SPEAKERbut how about...

56:37SPEAKER- It is the final frontier.

56:40SPEAKER- Here's a question from console command.

56:43SPEAKERWhat personal project have you been kicking

56:44SPEAKERdown the road the longest?

56:46SPEAKERBecause you know you'll get to it eventually

56:47SPEAKERand haven't lost interest yet.

56:49SPEAKERNot really a project,

56:50SPEAKERbut I haven't added my youngest to the wheel yet

56:52SPEAKERand he's turning eight this year.

56:54SPEAKERI'll get around to it.

56:55SPEAKER- Wait, wait, didn't we do this one last month?

56:58SPEAKER- I don't know.

56:59SPEAKER- This question is similar to this.

57:00SPEAKER- Are you sure?

57:01SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe not.

57:03SPEAKER- This question was asked three days ago.

57:05SPEAKER- Okay, so we didn't do this question.

57:06SPEAKERI feel like this question comes up a lot,

57:08SPEAKERmaybe is the right way to answer.

57:10SPEAKERI never procrastinate anything

57:13SPEAKERand I always do things at the moment I think about them

57:16SPEAKER'cause I have no self-control.

57:18SPEAKERI don't know actually.

57:19SPEAKERI just redid all the wifi stuff in the house

57:23SPEAKERwhich was a massive quality of life improvement.

57:26SPEAKER- It's a good one.

57:26SPEAKER- I have had a mounting bracket for my TV

57:32SPEAKERfor the living room for 14 years now.

57:36SPEAKER- And?

57:37SPEAKER- Still in the garage.

57:38SPEAKER- Wow.

57:39SPEAKER- I mean, I have the plasma TV.

57:40SPEAKERIt's really fucking heavy, man.

57:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that's questionable.

57:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like a 65 inch plasma.

57:46SPEAKERI don't wanna accidentally rip studs out of the wall.

57:51SPEAKER- I mean, it's your house, they're your studs.

57:53SPEAKER- Yeah, but then I also have to fix them.

57:55SPEAKERSo it's a pros and cons situation.

57:58SPEAKER- That is a good point.

57:59SPEAKEROkay, I apologize if we have answered

58:01SPEAKERthis exact question recently,

58:03SPEAKERbut my instant answer to this is

58:07SPEAKERI've got like pretty much all of the home movies

58:11SPEAKERthat we've been able to find from my family on my NAS.

58:15SPEAKERI've mentioned those before when people ask us like,

58:17SPEAKERhey, what is on there

58:18SPEAKERthat you absolutely have to keep backed up?

58:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:20SPEAKER- And it's like, it's mostly VHS stuff

58:23SPEAKERrecorded onto a VHS camcorder from the eighties,

58:26SPEAKERbut there's like, there was a eight

58:30SPEAKERor 16 millimeter reel of film that was discovered

58:33SPEAKERin a family member's belongings from the fifties and sixties

58:37SPEAKERthat we got digitized, like that's in there.

58:39SPEAKERThere's other random, there's like a couple of local news

58:41SPEAKERreports that I pulled off a TiVo

58:42SPEAKERthat had to do with a World War II veteran family,

58:46SPEAKERyou know, a lot of stuff, like a lot of sentimental stuff.

58:49SPEAKERAnd I have been meaning for like three years now to,

58:53SPEAKERand it's all jam packed together.

58:54SPEAKERIt's like-

58:55SPEAKER- It's all like one big, long file.

58:56SPEAKER- If people don't remember what it was like

58:58SPEAKERto record home movies on VHS,

59:01SPEAKERit'll be like, here's Christmas 1986 for 45 minutes.

59:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:06SPEAKER- Smash cut into here is a dance recital from two years

59:09SPEAKERlater.

59:10SPEAKER- Well.

59:11SPEAKER- And then here's like the beach five years after that.

59:13SPEAKER- And then here's a recording of like,

59:15SPEAKERlike I have one of those and like,

59:18SPEAKERit goes from literally like my sister's dance recital.

59:21SPEAKERAnd then it's to a recording that my father did of the woman

59:25SPEAKERsaying testicles on the nightly news instead of tentacles.

59:29SPEAKERAnd I was like, how did he know to record that?

59:32SPEAKERThat's amazing.

59:33SPEAKER- Preserving the important historical record.

59:35SPEAKER- Stuff.

59:36SPEAKER- Anyway, like because it's such a jumble and you know,

59:38SPEAKEReach, each one of the tapes just got captured into one file

59:41SPEAKERon DVD. So it's all just a mess.

59:42SPEAKERLike I've been meaning to go through there and just like

59:44SPEAKERvery accurately go through and edit everything

59:46SPEAKERand put it in order and label it all by year and event

59:49SPEAKERand blah, blah, blah,

59:50SPEAKERand put all that into a custom Plex library

59:52SPEAKERthat any of my family can stream.

59:54SPEAKER- So.

59:55SPEAKER- But turns out going through a lot of old footage

59:58SPEAKERof family members is very depressing.

1:00:00SPEAKER- Can I give you a pro tip?

1:00:02SPEAKER- I never get very far in that process because I'm like,

1:00:05SPEAKERman, I don't know if I can watch all of this.

1:00:07SPEAKER- You, I did the same.

1:00:09SPEAKERI had a similar problem a few years ago

1:00:11SPEAKERand I just uploaded them to unlisted,

1:00:13SPEAKERto an unlisted YouTube channel.

1:00:16SPEAKERAnd then I used the YouTube scene detection

1:00:18SPEAKERto chop between them.

1:00:20SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:00:21SPEAKER- And made them into each individual,

1:00:24SPEAKERlike broke them up into individual files

1:00:26SPEAKERusing the YouTube video editor.

1:00:28SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:00:29SPEAKER- And it was fast and easy.

1:00:30SPEAKERAnd then also I didn't have to worry about what would happen

1:00:33SPEAKERif like my backups were bad or something like that.

1:00:35SPEAKERAnd that relieved a lot of stress.

1:00:38SPEAKERAnd then I gave access to the channel to other people

1:00:43SPEAKERand they went through and named them and stuff like that.

1:00:45SPEAKER- Interesting, that's not the worst idea.

1:00:46SPEAKERI mean, so these were ripped to DVD

1:00:48SPEAKERand whatever outfit did it set chapter markers

1:00:51SPEAKERat the beginning of each new kind of period of time.

1:00:55SPEAKERAnd so, you know, I could do something like handbrake

1:00:57SPEAKERto rip those DVDs and have it bust out each chapter

1:01:00SPEAKERas a separate file.

1:01:01SPEAKERSo I can do that part.

1:01:03SPEAKER- So the other thing I'll say is internet archive

1:01:07SPEAKERand Prelinger love to get old people's old home movies,

1:01:11SPEAKERespecially stuff that shows like city streets

1:01:14SPEAKERand like evidence of the way things actually were

1:01:18SPEAKERversus the way we remember them and stuff like that.

1:01:20SPEAKERSo if you have stuff that you think is like,

1:01:27SPEAKERthey are always excited to get stuff

1:01:28SPEAKERthat I was surprised at.

1:01:30SPEAKERSo, and they'll digitize old video, old film strips

1:01:34SPEAKERand like eight millimeter reels and 16 millimeter reels

1:01:38SPEAKERand stuff like that too, if you send them to them.

1:01:41SPEAKER- Dude, I have to tell you,

1:01:42SPEAKERI think it was 16 millimeter getting that footage back

1:01:45SPEAKERafter they found that reel

1:01:46SPEAKERwas one of the weirder experiences of my life, I think.

1:01:49SPEAKER- So like your grandparents when they're young

1:01:50SPEAKERand stuff like that?

1:01:51SPEAKER- Yes, it's like my grandparents younger than I am.

1:01:53SPEAKERIt's my mom at the age of like six and seven.

1:01:56SPEAKERThat's like all my aunts and uncles as children.

1:01:58SPEAKERLike it's just, ugh, in like pretty nice high,

1:02:01SPEAKERno sound of course, but in pretty nice high detail

1:02:05SPEAKERand it's just fucking weird.

1:02:08SPEAKER- We have some eight millimeter reel or nine millimeter,

1:02:12SPEAKERwhatever the hand crank camera was of my mom

1:02:16SPEAKERwhen she was like four, I think that is just a trip

1:02:20SPEAKER'cause like my grandparents are walking down the mall in DC

1:02:23SPEAKERand like everything, the trees are all small

1:02:26SPEAKERand it's like, it's a trip.

1:02:30SPEAKER- That's cool.

1:02:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:02:32SPEAKER- In my case, this is from a very like agrarian part

1:02:35SPEAKERof the country.

1:02:36SPEAKERSo it's a whole lot of like seeing how they lived.

1:02:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:02:40SPEAKER- Like a lot of farming stuff, a lot of like hunting.

1:02:43SPEAKER- Well, I mean, some of my grandparents grew up

1:02:46SPEAKERin like cities like London and New York,

1:02:48SPEAKERbut my other side, the grandparents grew up

1:02:50SPEAKERin like rural South North Carolina,

1:02:52SPEAKERSouth Southern North Carolina

1:02:55SPEAKERand like they didn't have running water in the house

1:02:57SPEAKERwhen they were kids, right?

1:02:59SPEAKER- My dad, so this was my mom's side of the family

1:03:00SPEAKERthat recorded this 'cause my grandpa was a technical whiz,

1:03:04SPEAKERbut my dad's side of the family

1:03:06SPEAKERdid not have indoor plumbing

1:03:07SPEAKERuntil he was like a teenager, I think.

1:03:09SPEAKER- Yeah, my great-grandmother died without indoor plumbing.

1:03:12SPEAKERShe, so the house was never plumbed.

1:03:15SPEAKERThey ended up tacking a bathroom on

1:03:17SPEAKERwhen she was like 94 years old

1:03:20SPEAKERso that she didn't have to go out to the outhouse anymore.

1:03:22SPEAKER- Oh, we should talk.

1:03:23SPEAKERThis came up on an Excliner podcast recently, I think.

1:03:26SPEAKERI was talking to my dad and uncle about that,

1:03:28SPEAKERthis whole topic last time I was there

1:03:29SPEAKERand the time that they finally dug the well to get plumbing.

1:03:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:33SPEAKER- And I'm sure you have some info about this sort of thing.

1:03:36SPEAKERThey had to go 900 feet to strike water.

1:03:38SPEAKER- Shit, that's incredible.

1:03:39SPEAKER- It was, yes, it was considered a very deep well.

1:03:41SPEAKER- That is a deep well,

1:03:42SPEAKERbut like my parents just dug a new well at their place

1:03:45SPEAKERand it was 600 and that was like noteworthy.

1:03:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:48SPEAKER- But they, like, as dad says,

1:03:50SPEAKERI went deeper than we needed to.

1:03:51SPEAKER- Like we hit water earlier,

1:03:53SPEAKERbut he wanted to get to the good water.

1:03:56SPEAKER- Yes.

1:03:57SPEAKER- 900 feet's a lot though.

1:03:58SPEAKERWere they outside of a mountain or something?

1:04:01SPEAKERBilly goat land?

1:04:02SPEAKER- Kind of, kind of.

1:04:04SPEAKERNot the most mountainous part of the state.

1:04:06SPEAKER- Okay.

1:04:07SPEAKER- Sort of.

1:04:09SPEAKEROkay, should we do another one?

1:04:11SPEAKERYou wanna talk about backup strategies?

1:04:13SPEAKERI feel like.

1:04:16SPEAKERI know we talk about it a lot.

1:04:17SPEAKERI am kind of upgrading mine.

1:04:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I need,

1:04:21SPEAKERI have not established a good backup strategy

1:04:23SPEAKERwith the new NAS yet and I need to.

1:04:25SPEAKER- I know we talk about storage a lot,

1:04:27SPEAKERbut this question follows directly from the last question

1:04:30SPEAKERand also I'm upgrading my stuff.

1:04:33SPEAKERWe'll make it quick.

1:04:34SPEAKERIt's from Kento.

1:04:37SPEAKERAlex said on a NextLiner Ramble cast

1:04:39SPEAKERthat he lost a lot of riff music on his server,

1:04:42SPEAKERprobably due to bad hard drives,

1:04:43SPEAKERand it took a while for him to re-rip everything.

1:04:46SPEAKERDo you have a backup system now and what do you use?

1:04:48SPEAKERIf you have local backup,

1:04:49SPEAKERis it on a different or the same PC?

1:04:51SPEAKERI have over 40 terabytes of ripped music and movies.

1:04:54SPEAKER- Wow.

1:04:55SPEAKER- It terrifies me that I'd have to do it all over again.

1:04:58SPEAKERI have local files,

1:04:59SPEAKEReverything backs up again on the same PC

1:05:01SPEAKERand Backblaze Online.

1:05:02SPEAKEROkay, you are more than fine with that strategy.

1:05:05SPEAKER- I wonder, is there a way to do Backblaze Online

1:05:08SPEAKERfrom the NAS, from my Synology?

1:05:10SPEAKERI need to look at that.

1:05:10SPEAKER- No, no.

1:05:11SPEAKERWell, yes, if you wanna pay the B2 prices.

1:05:14SPEAKERThat's pretty pricey.

1:05:15SPEAKER- Yeah, so somebody else asked a question

1:05:17SPEAKERthat was similar to this.

1:05:19SPEAKERLike, why are we doing this hardware in the house?

1:05:22SPEAKERAnd the answer- - Yes, I saw that one.

1:05:23SPEAKER- The answer is the scale.

1:05:24SPEAKERThat was, I think, Joe Tavano.

1:05:27SPEAKERThe answer is the scale and amount of data

1:05:30SPEAKERthat I have is prohibitively expensive to do online,

1:05:33SPEAKEReven with like B2 Online, which is the Backblaze Cloud,

1:05:36SPEAKERwhich is, I think, the cheapest reputable way

1:05:39SPEAKERto store a massive amount of data.

1:05:41SPEAKER- It's the cheapest that I know of for,

1:05:45SPEAKERhow can I put, like what's considered

1:05:47SPEAKERlike a enterprise back well, like per terabyte, basically.

1:05:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:52SPEAKER- To clarify, like Backblaze will let you back up

1:05:54SPEAKERa Windows or Mac machine for a flat rate

1:05:57SPEAKERof like 10 bucks a month, any size, like any amount of data.

1:06:00SPEAKER- That's what I do with my desktop.

1:06:02SPEAKER- Right, but as soon as you're from any kind of machine

1:06:05SPEAKERthat's not a Mac or Windows desktop or laptop,

1:06:08SPEAKERthey charge by the terabyte and that gets real pricey.

1:06:11SPEAKER- And like Dropbox, so for example,

1:06:15SPEAKERfor 25 bucks a month, oh, wow,

1:06:19SPEAKERDropbox has a $25 a month plan

1:06:21SPEAKERthat is as much as you need, which is new.

1:06:25SPEAKER- Huh, huh, really?

1:06:27SPEAKER- That's a business plan.

1:06:29SPEAKER- 25 a month flat rate?

1:06:30SPEAKER- Flat rate.

1:06:31SPEAKER- For unlimited storage?

1:06:32SPEAKER- I assume that there's probably some wall

1:06:35SPEAKERthat you hit eventually.

1:06:36SPEAKER- Okay, but functionally limited.

1:06:38SPEAKER- But like 25 bucks a month is,

1:06:40SPEAKERthis is the first time I've looked at this

1:06:42SPEAKERthat there was something that was like

1:06:44SPEAKERin the right price range for competing with the NAS.

1:06:48SPEAKER- 25, 25, oh, you mean and not have a NAS at all?

1:06:51SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's the question,

1:06:53SPEAKERis that do you just have a small machine

1:06:55SPEAKERthat accesses the stuff in the cloud?

1:06:57SPEAKER- 25 a month is a lot.

1:06:59SPEAKER- It is, well, but when you look at the cost of the server

1:07:02SPEAKERand amortize that over the life of the server,

1:07:04SPEAKERyou end up in the same kind of territory,

1:07:05SPEAKERespecially when you're replacing drives

1:07:06SPEAKERevery three or four years.

1:07:08SPEAKER- I mean, for me, that would be too much.

1:07:10SPEAKER- Well, I guess my point is it's probably

1:07:12SPEAKERabout the same amount of money

1:07:13SPEAKERwhen you're just spending all at once

1:07:15SPEAKERon a non-recurring service.

1:07:17SPEAKER- That's what I mean for somebody

1:07:17SPEAKERwho's not doing the insanity that we're doing.

1:07:20SPEAKERThat's not as bad.

1:07:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:22SPEAKER- Anyway, we don't need to get super deep into it.

1:07:24SPEAKERMaybe we'll talk about this on the patron episode too,

1:07:26SPEAKERbut my backup strategy is a Raspberry Pi

1:07:29SPEAKERwith two USB hard drives plugged into it.

1:07:31SPEAKER- Okay.

1:07:32SPEAKER- Which the NAS backs up to overnight or did

1:07:34SPEAKERuntil it ended up in pieces.

1:07:36SPEAKER- So my, I do something similar.

1:07:38SPEAKERI just have a big 14 terabyte drive that gets backed up too.

1:07:42SPEAKER- Right, so the reason I bring it up is there were

1:07:44SPEAKERthe Western Digital Elements drives were super cheap

1:07:47SPEAKERon Prime Day, so I grabbed two more.

1:07:49SPEAKER- Okay.

1:07:50SPEAKER- And I'm finally gonna shuck.

1:07:52SPEAKER- Ooh.

1:07:52SPEAKER- I've just been running the ones I have

1:07:54SPEAKERin the retail enclosures.

1:07:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:57SPEAKER- But now I have two more of them,

1:07:58SPEAKERso I'm gonna shuck all four of those

1:07:59SPEAKERand there are some pretty decent USB enclosures

1:08:02SPEAKERfor multiple drives now out there.

1:08:06SPEAKER- What file system do you use at that point?

1:08:08SPEAKERDo you use like butter or something?

1:08:09SPEAKER- No, I'm using ZFS.

1:08:10SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:10SPEAKER- I'm doing snapshot, it needs to be ZFS

1:08:12SPEAKERbecause I'm sending snapshots over the network.

1:08:15SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:16SPEAKER- But by the surprise, you can get like a nice four bay,

1:08:19SPEAKERit's like, it looks like a tiny little tower PC almost,

1:08:21SPEAKERlike a four bay hard drive enclosure that's USB three out.

1:08:24SPEAKER- For how much?

1:08:25SPEAKER- For like 115 bucks now.

1:08:27SPEAKER- That's not bad.

1:08:28SPEAKER- And it's like JBOD, it's, you know,

1:08:30SPEAKERit's just plain disks that it exposes to the OS,

1:08:33SPEAKERnot like abstracted through too much drive controller.

1:08:36SPEAKERSo it supposedly works with everything, all file systems.

1:08:38SPEAKER- I assume they're not super performant,

1:08:41SPEAKERbut that's probably fine for this

1:08:42SPEAKERafter the initial snapshot's done.

1:08:44SPEAKER- Right, for a network backup,

1:08:46SPEAKERthat's limited to go to one gigabit already, it's fine.

1:08:49SPEAKER- Cool, I do the same thing,

1:08:52SPEAKERbut I basically, I have like 12 gigabytes of data right now

1:08:59SPEAKERand it all fits on one 14 terabyte hard drive.

1:09:02SPEAKERWhen that stops working,

1:09:03SPEAKERI'll jump over that bridge when I get to it.

1:09:09SPEAKER- Probably use our sync.

1:09:11SPEAKER- Yeah, our sync works too.

1:09:13SPEAKERThat's what I was originally gonna do

1:09:14SPEAKERuntil I realized that CFS send is magic.

1:09:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a friend who's like a photographer

1:09:21SPEAKERand does a lot of work with photos

1:09:24SPEAKERthat would be impossible to recreate if they were lost.

1:09:27SPEAKERAnd he does, he has basically two identical ZFS machines,

1:09:31SPEAKERFreeNAS machines, or TrueNAS now, that sync to each other.

1:09:35SPEAKERSo he works off of one and the other one syncs and stores up

1:09:38SPEAKERand they both store snapshots

1:09:39SPEAKERso he can roll back if he needs to.

1:09:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it's awesome.

1:09:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:43SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna ask one more question here.

1:09:45SPEAKER- Yeah, sounds good.

1:09:47SPEAKER- From Altane, when my internet company

1:09:50SPEAKERsent me a new router, I went to hook it up

1:09:51SPEAKERand wasn't looking forward to having to reset

1:09:53SPEAKERall my devices to a new password.

1:09:55SPEAKERI plugged it in and hooked it up to my incoming internet line

1:09:57SPEAKERand suddenly it reconfigured itself to the same SSID

1:10:00SPEAKERand password as my old router and all my stuff just worked.

1:10:03SPEAKERIs this a new normal thing?

1:10:04SPEAKERWhat kind of black magic network shenanigans

1:10:06SPEAKERare going on here?

1:10:08SPEAKER- So there's two answers and an asterisk to this question.

1:10:13SPEAKEROne is that, yes, ISPs typically just pull your old settings

1:10:17SPEAKERfrom your old router and move them to your new router

1:10:20SPEAKERif they're good at being ISPs at this point,

1:10:22SPEAKERif you're using ISP-supplied hardware.

1:10:24SPEAKER- Hang on, do you consider that being good at being an ISP

1:10:27SPEAKERor is that creepy?

1:10:28SPEAKER- For normal human beings, that is a fantastic feature.

1:10:31SPEAKER- Yes, you're right.

1:10:32SPEAKER- Yeah, for people like you and me, I'm less enthusiastic.

1:10:36SPEAKERI mean, look, SSID is not privileged information.

1:10:40SPEAKERThe WPA password is probably,

1:10:44SPEAKERbut like also it's something that I can remember and type

1:10:48SPEAKERand it's like 10 characters, so who cares?

1:10:50SPEAKER- Yeah, also, I mean, they probably don't have access

1:10:52SPEAKERto the actual password, like some kind of hash of it.

1:10:55SPEAKER- That would be my guess.

1:10:57SPEAKERSo the other thing is,

1:10:59SPEAKERhaving just recently switched wifi hardware,

1:11:01SPEAKERit's fascinating what stuff connects automatically

1:11:04SPEAKERif you leave the, so if you leave the SSID

1:11:08SPEAKERand the password the same and use the same radio frequency,

1:11:13SPEAKERlike you're using the same 802.11ab, AC, whatever variant,

1:11:19SPEAKERtheoretically, your stuff should just reconnect

1:11:21SPEAKERthe next time it reboots, it power cycles.

1:11:24SPEAKERIt is fascinating to me the stuff

1:11:25SPEAKERthat does not just reconnect when you change your SSID,

1:11:28SPEAKERwhen you leave your SSID and password the same,

1:11:30SPEAKERbut change the hardware,

1:11:31SPEAKER'cause some stuff is apparently looking at Mac addresses

1:11:33SPEAKERor it's less, it's more fidgety

1:11:36SPEAKERabout what actually it supports the changes,

1:11:40SPEAKERlike what it'll change to automatically, stuff like that,

1:11:43SPEAKERwhich it seems like maybe a security thing,

1:11:45SPEAKERbut it could also just be people are shitty

1:11:47SPEAKERat writing a wifi connection code.

1:11:50SPEAKER- So there's a lot of variance in quality

1:11:55SPEAKERin the consumer networking space, let's say.

1:11:57SPEAKER- Yes.

1:12:01SPEAKER- Yeah, we don't need to get into it,

1:12:02SPEAKERbut I've been down some rabbit holes in the past

1:12:05SPEAKERabout various kind of consumer routers

1:12:08SPEAKERthat don't support things like multicast properly

1:12:10SPEAKERand stuff like that, and there's no way to know that

1:12:12SPEAKERtill you look up on forums and just find somebody saying,

1:12:15SPEAKER"Yeah, the network stack on this thing sucks."

1:12:17SPEAKER- This is, honestly, I have to buy into a refrigerator

1:12:21SPEAKERand I'm terrified because there's so many things

1:12:23SPEAKERthat I don't want to have to,

1:12:26SPEAKERI don't wanna have to buy and return a refrigerator

1:12:27SPEAKERfour times to find one that the ice maker doesn't clog

1:12:30SPEAKERwhen you use the crushed ice thing

1:12:31SPEAKERor whatever the feature is, so yeah, I'm terrified.

1:12:38SPEAKER- Buying appliances seems like a nightmare these days.

1:12:41SPEAKERThe one thing I was gonna say real quick,

1:12:42SPEAKERI was surprised to hear you say

1:12:43SPEAKERthat it's probably the ISP storing the settings.

1:12:45SPEAKERI would have assumed it was whoever makes the router

1:12:47SPEAKERhas some kind of cloud backup, like if it's a SUSE

1:12:49SPEAKERor I don't know who ISPs are using for routers these days,

1:12:52SPEAKERbut I didn't realize that the ISP level that was happening.

1:12:54SPEAKER- Well, so the ISP consumer router is like my fiber router

1:12:57SPEAKERthat AT&T provides is basically like a managed,

1:13:00SPEAKERit's the same thing that they provide to businesses

1:13:02SPEAKERfor managed routers now.

1:13:03SPEAKERSo they're provisioning just like you would a piece of,

1:13:08SPEAKERthey're just provisioning consumer hardware.

1:13:10SPEAKERI don't know what's happening on the cable front

1:13:12SPEAKER'cause I've had cable in like 10 years.

1:13:14SPEAKER- Sure.

1:13:16SPEAKER- But I think that's it.

1:13:17SPEAKERI think that'll do it for us this week.

1:13:18SPEAKERI think we have enough questions to do

1:13:19SPEAKERlike two patron episodes out of this month.

1:13:21SPEAKERYou all over delivered.