130: The Last Home Button Standing

00:00SPEAKER- Well, it's that magical time of year again.

00:02SPEAKERThe pollen is here.

00:04SPEAKER- Oh man, look, somebody posted a picture

00:07SPEAKERin one of the discords yesterday

00:08SPEAKERof somebody chopping down a pine tree

00:10SPEAKERand the pollen just staying when the tree fell

00:13SPEAKERlike a huge green cloud.

00:15SPEAKER- In a tree-like shape.

00:16SPEAKER- I'm gonna go and tell you,

00:18SPEAKERI looked at it and it felt immediate dread

00:20SPEAKERand wanted to sneeze just from seeing it.

00:25SPEAKERI don't know about you, but when I moved out here,

00:26SPEAKERI didn't have allergy problems for like 10 years

00:29SPEAKERuntil we had the drought and then post drought,

00:32SPEAKERthe stuff that's grown back has blown me out

00:36SPEAKERin a way that is unbelievable.

00:37SPEAKER- Mutants, like offensive vegetation.

00:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and just to be clear, I realized I said post drought,

00:43SPEAKERbut I mean, I realized we're not after the drought,

00:45SPEAKERwe're still in the drought, but like there was a brief period

00:47SPEAKERwhere it rained for like two years

00:49SPEAKERand then it started drowning again, so anyway.

00:52SPEAKER- We're just in a constant cycle

00:53SPEAKERof less drought and more drought.

00:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like what's on a scale of one to 10

00:57SPEAKERwhere one is the least drought and 10 is the most drought,

00:59SPEAKERhow drought are you?

01:01SPEAKER- I don't wanna think about it.

01:02SPEAKERI had some allergies in North Carolina

01:04SPEAKERbefore I moved out here, but it definitely got worse here

01:06SPEAKERand felt like that sinus surgery I had a couple of years ago

01:10SPEAKERwas a downstream effect of years of nasal inflammation

01:13SPEAKERthat I'm sure mostly came from allergies.

01:15SPEAKER- It turns out having your nasal lining

01:17SPEAKERconstantly flamed up is not great.

01:20SPEAKER- Under assault.

01:21SPEAKER- It's funny, the other thing that is bad,

01:23SPEAKERlike where we live, most people don't have central air,

01:26SPEAKERright, I don't know, I feel like we've talked about this

01:28SPEAKERon other podcasts, but like it is coastal temperate here

01:32SPEAKERis what the climate range we're in is called.

01:35SPEAKER- Classically, yes, ideally, yes,

01:36SPEAKERmaybe by modern standards, not as much, but.

01:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it's transitioning away from that it seems like.

01:43SPEAKER- Let's say there have been some modifications

01:44SPEAKERin recent years, but yeah, you're right,

01:46SPEAKERlike I don't think people understand that live in,

01:48SPEAKERyou know, like we're both from the East Coast

01:49SPEAKERwhere you kind of have to have air conditioning

01:51SPEAKERor you'll like melt in the summer.

01:53SPEAKERNot only no central air, we don't even have,

01:55SPEAKERlike this apartment doesn't even have ceiling fans.

01:56SPEAKERThere's nothing in here.

01:58SPEAKER- Well, yeah, we don't have, like we keep windows open

02:02SPEAKERabout 200 days a year probably, like there's three months

02:05SPEAKERfrom like the end of December to the end of March

02:08SPEAKERwhere we usually don't have windows open

02:09SPEAKERand then sometime in April they usually get opened up.

02:11SPEAKERLike our windows were all open,

02:13SPEAKERhave been open for the last week or so and it's really nice,

02:16SPEAKERbut it makes the house dusty too and like I also wonder

02:19SPEAKERhow much of it is that just we're not exposed to,

02:23SPEAKERyou know, the filtered air courtesy of your central air

02:27SPEAKERforced, you know, the, you know, the 100 micron filter

02:31SPEAKERyou put on your furnace every month, right?

02:33SPEAKER- Yes, there may have been a contentious conversation,

02:37SPEAKERlet's say here yesterday about whether we should open

02:40SPEAKERthe windows or not because it was 80 degrees

02:41SPEAKERin the living room, but.

02:43SPEAKER- Was it warmer outside at that point?

02:47SPEAKER- I think they'd probably reach some degree of equilibrium.

02:50SPEAKER- Okay. - At that point, I don't know,

02:51SPEAKERbut yeah, I mean, it's a constant fight right now

02:53SPEAKERof like we need cool air to come in, but not the pollen.

02:56SPEAKER- Okay, so I wanna talk about this.

02:59SPEAKERWhat's your keeping the house cool strategy then?

03:02SPEAKER'Cause like I grew up poor in rural Tennessee,

03:05SPEAKERwe didn't have air conditioning for most of my youth.

03:07SPEAKERSo it was just 90 degrees in the house all the time

03:10SPEAKER'cause it got hot where we lived.

03:11SPEAKER- Right.

03:12SPEAKER- And I'm curious, like we got,

03:17SPEAKERlike I understand cross ventilation.

03:18SPEAKERI understood cross ventilation at a very young age

03:21SPEAKERand knew that like in the summertime you gotta sleep

03:23SPEAKERwith your bedroom door open 'cause otherwise air

03:25SPEAKERdoesn't move through the house and everyone suffers, right?

03:27SPEAKER- Right.

03:28SPEAKERYeah, we had air put in, I think when I was like 10

03:30SPEAKERor something, but my dad never let us use it.

03:33SPEAKERSo we also did a lot of cross ventilation.

03:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:38SPEAKER- We were not allowed to turn the air conditioning on

03:39SPEAKERwithout permission, which was rare.

03:41SPEAKER- When we got the big box, it had to be real hot.

03:44SPEAKEREven when they got air conditioning put in the house

03:46SPEAKERwhen I was in middle school probably or high school.

03:49SPEAKER- What we had back then was an exhaust fan

03:51SPEAKERthat we use.

03:52SPEAKER- Oh, like a big central one in the central hallway

03:54SPEAKERor something?

03:55SPEAKER- Yes.

03:56SPEAKER- We had some of those.

03:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:57SPEAKER- I don't think it did anything, Brad.

03:58SPEAKER- Not really.

03:59SPEAKERNot really.

04:00SPEAKER- No.

04:01SPEAKER- Anyway.

04:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:02SPEAKER- So I've got my whole allergy regimen here though now

04:04SPEAKERto try to manage.

04:05SPEAKERI've got like a--

04:07SPEAKER- Okay.

04:08SPEAKER- Daily Allegra.

04:09SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

04:10SPEAKER- Flonase as needed.

04:11SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

04:12SPEAKER- Nasal rinse twice a day, the whole regimen.

04:16SPEAKER- I was a satirazine guy for a long time,

04:18SPEAKERbut now I just suffer.

04:20SPEAKER- Let's see, hang on, let me see if I can.

04:21SPEAKEROkay.

04:22SPEAKERAllegra is, is that phenofexidine?

04:24SPEAKER- I, I--

04:25SPEAKER- Look.

04:26SPEAKER- Satirazine is--

04:27SPEAKER- I'm sorry.

04:28SPEAKER- Zero tech, I think.

04:29SPEAKERI can't remember.

04:29SPEAKER- Fexofenadine, I believe.

04:32SPEAKERAnyway.

04:33SPEAKERWell, hey.

04:34SPEAKERSoon we won't need to worry about this stuff

04:36SPEAKERbecause I think you saw there now they are using AI

04:39SPEAKERto produce medication.

04:40SPEAKER- Oh, look, I thought you were gonna say

04:42SPEAKERthat soon we wouldn't need this

04:43SPEAKERbecause all of the trees would die.

04:44SPEAKER- Oh, well.

04:45SPEAKER- So yours is maybe more, Graham.

04:47SPEAKERI don't know.

04:47SPEAKER- A confluence of factors is approaching,

04:49SPEAKERbut do you trust, would you take computer-created medications?

04:56SPEAKER- So people took that story.

04:58SPEAKERSo you're talking about the story where they were like,

04:59SPEAKERhey, we fed AI, we fed a chemical-generating compound

05:04SPEAKERto AI and told it, hey, don't do these things

05:07SPEAKER'cause they're dangerous.

05:07SPEAKERAnd then it exclusively did those things

05:09SPEAKERand generally like 40,000 new carcinogens and toxins.

05:12SPEAKER- All it did was produce thousands of new chemical weapons.

05:15SPEAKER- Yeah, so I mean, realistically, that's not that far

05:19SPEAKERfrom how the pharmacological industry worked

05:22SPEAKERfor the first like 100 years of its existence.

05:24SPEAKER- Cool.

05:25SPEAKER- 'Cause you would just have some chemist in a lab

05:27SPEAKERand they would be synthesizing weird new compounds

05:29SPEAKERand then they'd pump them into animals

05:30SPEAKERto see which ones made the animals sick

05:32SPEAKERand which ones made them better.

05:33SPEAKER- Good.

05:34SPEAKER- So like, you know, march of progress, I don't know.

05:39SPEAKERThat seems pretty good.

05:40SPEAKER- Good old empirical rigor.

05:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:43SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:11SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

06:13SPEAKERI'm Will.

06:13SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

06:14SPEAKER- Good morning, sir.

06:15SPEAKER- Good morning.

06:16SPEAKERI've got my blue light on and everything.

06:17SPEAKERIt's rising, rise and shine.

06:19SPEAKER- I know, like I always feel like when I talk to you

06:21SPEAKERin the morning, it's like your blue period

06:22SPEAKERbecause you do have, like normally your shot is very warm

06:26SPEAKERand like inviting and like, oh man,

06:28SPEAKERI haven't seen the pigs in a long time.

06:30SPEAKERYou know, I see Anakin back there getting ready

06:33SPEAKERto kill a bunch of kids and yeah.

06:37SPEAKER- Yes, place of honor on my wall.

06:39SPEAKER- Did you see that Lego "Star Wars" video yesterday?

06:41SPEAKER- Yes. - The infinite Anakin juggle.

06:44SPEAKER- The infinite, yeah, it was very "Devil May Cry."

06:48SPEAKER- Is it a child, I didn't look closely enough,

06:49SPEAKERis it child Anakin specifically that they were juggling?

06:52SPEAKER- No, it's just a random kid.

06:54SPEAKERSo it's like, it's normal video game rules

06:56SPEAKERwhere you can kill all the adults,

06:57SPEAKERbut the kids are vulnerable, it seems like.

06:59SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

07:00SPEAKER- Oh, I thought it was Anakin, interesting, okay.

07:02SPEAKER- Well, I think Anakin was doing,

07:03SPEAKERit was maybe Qui-Gon doing the juggle.

07:05SPEAKERMaybe it was Anakin, I don't know.

07:06SPEAKERI just assumed it was the kid.

07:07SPEAKER- Very in character for him.

07:10SPEAKER- Yeah, to be invulnerable?

07:11SPEAKER- No, to be slashing kids with lightsaber.

07:15SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but also his legs stayed on.

07:17SPEAKERIf the kid was him, his legs and arms stayed on.

07:20SPEAKERSo I don't think that is in character, actually.

07:22SPEAKER- Yes.

07:23SPEAKER- What are we talking about today, what's going on?

07:26SPEAKER- The latest and greatest news,

07:27SPEAKERthe Apple event that happened like a month ago.

07:29SPEAKER- Whoa, okay. - No, no, no.

07:31SPEAKERThat's a starter, it's a conversation starter.

07:33SPEAKER- Yeah, really, we've had some new devices

07:37SPEAKERcome into our lives, new things come into our lives,

07:39SPEAKERand we haven't talked about them.

07:41SPEAKER- We really soon have some new devices.

07:44SPEAKER- I've learned not to expect anything

07:46SPEAKERwhen you say you're getting ready to buy something.

07:47SPEAKER- It's time, it's time.

07:48SPEAKER- Hey, how's your new Kindle, is it pretty good?

07:50SPEAKER- It's been hovering over the order button

07:53SPEAKERfor like two weeks.

07:54SPEAKERI missed that 24 hour sale,

07:56SPEAKERnow I can't bring myself to do it.

07:58SPEAKER- If only there was some way to know

07:59SPEAKERhow long the sale was gonna run.

08:01SPEAKER- Well, it didn't say anything.

08:03SPEAKERIt's just actually, I mean,

08:04SPEAKERthat experience kind of has opened my eyes

08:08SPEAKERto the very mercurial nature of Amazon price drops.

08:11SPEAKERLike they really just come and go like nothing.

08:14SPEAKERDo you think, actually, this made me wonder,

08:16SPEAKERso a Kindle is 140 normally.

08:18SPEAKERIt was 105 when I happened to realize,

08:20SPEAKERoh, I might want a new Kindle.

08:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:23SPEAKER- And then by the time, the next morning

08:24SPEAKERthat I got around to ordering it, it had gone back up.

08:26SPEAKERDo you think--

08:27SPEAKER- And that meant they had like 3% too many

08:28SPEAKERin a warehouse someplace probably.

08:30SPEAKER- That was exactly my question slash assumption

08:32SPEAKERis those price adjustments are probably just happening

08:35SPEAKERalgorithmically at this point, right?

08:38SPEAKER- I don't know.

08:38SPEAKERI mean, I like to think that there's someone involved

08:42SPEAKERin that chain.

08:42SPEAKERSo, hey, if you're on the Amazon pricing side,

08:45SPEAKERI'd be curious to know.

08:47SPEAKERSo the way this used to work,

08:48SPEAKERI know how this worked like 15 years ago,

08:49SPEAKER'cause we worked with Amazon for a little while

08:51SPEAKERat Maximum PC and like they would bring,

08:54SPEAKERwhen they started their PC store

08:55SPEAKERand when they decided they wanted to compete with Newegg

08:57SPEAKERand started their PC store, they brought us in.

09:00SPEAKERIt's probably been long enough.

09:00SPEAKERI could talk about this without getting in trouble,

09:02SPEAKERbut they had like a team of people who were like,

09:04SPEAKERhere's what we should be focusing on.

09:06SPEAKERHere's the good hardware that people are gonna wanna buy

09:08SPEAKERin different like price categories

09:10SPEAKERand different kinds of markets.

09:12SPEAKERHere's what we're gonna focus on.

09:13SPEAKERAnd we're only going to buy stuff in,

09:15SPEAKERwe're only gonna actually sell the stuff

09:16SPEAKERthat people are gonna,

09:18SPEAKERlike the high volume stuff is what they were looking at.

09:23SPEAKERThe interesting thing was they were making those decisions

09:25SPEAKERlike quantitatively themselves.

09:28SPEAKERSo like they had, they were bringing in outside reviewers.

09:31SPEAKERThey were doing work on that stuff.

09:33SPEAKERBut then like literally there was a room in the Amazon

09:37SPEAKERskyscraper in Seattle that was filled

09:39SPEAKERwith dudes testing PC hardware.

09:41SPEAKERAnd like they were testing it for,

09:44SPEAKERhey, does this CPU, does this motherboard have pieces

09:47SPEAKERthat are gonna fall off and cause a lot of returns

09:49SPEAKERand stuff like that too?

09:50SPEAKERLike it was really interesting.

09:51SPEAKER- That's like way more intensive process

09:53SPEAKERthan I would have expected from them.

09:54SPEAKERAlthough I am sure things have changed.

09:56SPEAKER- I feel like A, that was probably a pilot process

09:59SPEAKERfor a weird category that was unlike anything

10:01SPEAKERthey'd gotten into up until that point.

10:02SPEAKER'Cause like the thing that they realized quickly

10:05SPEAKERwas selling computer parts was very different

10:07SPEAKERthan selling like laptops off the shelf.

10:10SPEAKERAnd I think this was like the Rev 2 as a result of that.

10:13SPEAKERAnyway, it doesn't matter.

10:14SPEAKERThe point is we're gonna talk today

10:18SPEAKERabout some new Apple stuff

10:20SPEAKERand then some Apple stuff that we've also been testing.

10:21SPEAKER'Cause you've gotten your Mac one, your M1 MacBook Pro.

10:24SPEAKER- I've spent a good chunk of time

10:26SPEAKERwith this new M1 based Mac.

10:29SPEAKERYou've got AirPods stuff going on.

10:31SPEAKERThere's like, I'm probably gonna buy that new iPhone SE.

10:34SPEAKERBut yeah, the more interesting part

10:36SPEAKERis what that iPhone presages for a 5G millimeter wave.

10:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, is it though?

10:43SPEAKER- I think so.

10:45SPEAKERDo you wanna just get into it?

10:45SPEAKERWe're stumbling all over our notes here, but.

10:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think 5G has been impactful at all.

10:53SPEAKERLike I think the impact of 5G is reducing congestion

10:55SPEAKERand getting better throughput across the network

10:57SPEAKERand making the network world more reliable.

10:59SPEAKER- Well, so it's interesting, let's get into this.

11:01SPEAKEROkay, I mean, first of all,

11:02SPEAKERjust to get the basics out of the way,

11:03SPEAKERit's the new iPhone SE looks just like the previous one,

11:06SPEAKERwhich looks just like the iPhone 8 and 7.

11:08SPEAKERIt's that same form factor.

11:10SPEAKER- It's the one with the button on the front.

11:12SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the last home button standing.

11:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:16SPEAKER- It's got an A15 in it,

11:17SPEAKERwhich is the current SOC in the 13.

11:21SPEAKERIt's got 4GB of RAM, like it's very nice.

11:23SPEAKERSame camera, same optics in the camera.

11:25SPEAKER- But only one lens, right?

11:27SPEAKERYou don't have the cluster.

11:28SPEAKER- Yes, that's what I, yeah, the same, same-

11:30SPEAKER- Same optics as the old-

11:31SPEAKER- Yes, as the other phones that look just like this,

11:34SPEAKERbut it does do-

11:35SPEAKER- That to me is the big problem with this phone.

11:37SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a little bit of a bummer.

11:39SPEAKERThat's the one thing I wish was better.

11:41SPEAKERIt does do more of the post-processing

11:42SPEAKERbecause it has the better compute.

11:45SPEAKER- Yeah, does it do the night,

11:46SPEAKERlike the night stuff and the macro,

11:50SPEAKERit turns out are the things that I've used most

11:52SPEAKERon my 13 probably.

11:54SPEAKER- Okay.

11:54SPEAKER- Like telephoto's good 'cause I have a kid.

11:55SPEAKERI don't think that really applies to you,

11:57SPEAKERbut the macro, like you could take some dope pig shots

11:59SPEAKERwith the wide angle and the macro.

12:03SPEAKER- I don't think it does any of that stuff.

12:05SPEAKER- Yeah, like I said,

12:06SPEAKERit'll do the digital post-processing stuff.

12:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I think you probably need better lenses

12:11SPEAKERand sensors for stuff you're talking about anyway.

12:14SPEAKER- Like the idea of buying,

12:16SPEAKERlike for me, the camera is a big reason I upgrade phones.

12:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I get it.

12:20SPEAKER- So the idea of being stuck on an old camera

12:22SPEAKERis a bummer for me.

12:24SPEAKER- I get it, like I said,

12:25SPEAKERthat's the one thing I kind of wish was better,

12:26SPEAKERbut I also just don't care about phones enough

12:28SPEAKERto like chase features. - Well, there is that.

12:31SPEAKER- I just want something cheap that is fast and good

12:33SPEAKERand is gonna last a while and this is that.

12:35SPEAKER- There you go.

12:36SPEAKER- And it has 5G and like that's actually the thing

12:38SPEAKERI wanted to talk about here is there's this,

12:40SPEAKERI read the story on The Verge about,

12:41SPEAKERI had no idea about what's been going on with Verizon and 5G.

12:45SPEAKER- Oh, we talked about it a little bit late last year

12:47SPEAKERor early this year where rolling out the second wave

12:50SPEAKERof 5G stuff that uses the actual spectrum that will help

12:54SPEAKERwas blocked by the FAA because of the interference

12:57SPEAKERwith I think ground approach radar or something.

12:59SPEAKER- Yes, so that spectrum has finally been approved for use

13:03SPEAKERfor 5G by phones, but the thing I didn't understand

13:05SPEAKERor didn't realize is that Verizon has been forcing

13:08SPEAKERphone makers to shove millimeter wave capability

13:10SPEAKERinto every handset that Verizon will carry.

13:13SPEAKER- Well, yeah, and the millimeter,

13:14SPEAKERlike I've had I think two generations of phone now

13:17SPEAKERthat use the millimeter wave stuff and it's--

13:20SPEAKER- How many times have you had a millimeter wave signal?

13:24SPEAKER- Literally none, so like I even went and drove there.

13:27SPEAKERSo in San Francisco, last time I went on a hunt for this,

13:31SPEAKERthe area that is covered is a thin strip of Market Street

13:35SPEAKERfrom like, from the Embarcadero basically down to Van Ness.

13:41SPEAKERSo it's like 15 blocks, 12 blocks.

13:45SPEAKERIt's only on this main thoroughfare.

13:48SPEAKERIt doesn't, it didn't work when I was inside the car riding

13:51SPEAKER'cause the glass was enough to block it.

13:53SPEAKER- That's amazing.

13:55SPEAKER- Like I don't understand how a technology this flawed

13:57SPEAKERactually made it into production

13:59SPEAKERand distribution implementation.

14:02SPEAKER- Look, they didn't have a better alternative

14:04SPEAKERand they needed a reason for 5G to be better

14:06SPEAKERand they needed a way to make the benchmarks look good.

14:08SPEAKER- That is exactly the gist of this Verge story that I read.

14:11SPEAKERBut so the thing I didn't realize though is that like,

14:13SPEAKERVerizon has literally been refusing to carry any phone

14:16SPEAKERfrom anybody that doesn't support millimeter wave.

14:19SPEAKER- That's typical carrier bullshit.

14:20SPEAKER- So like, let me see, there's a part in here about the,

14:24SPEAKERVerizon pushed Google to create a version

14:26SPEAKERof its budget Pixel 4a 5G that costs $100 more

14:30SPEAKERjust to satisfy the carrier's ridiculous demand

14:32SPEAKERthat phones support barely their millimeter wave.

14:35SPEAKERThe Verizon version of Samsung's Galaxy S20

14:38SPEAKERhad less RAM and no micro SD expansion

14:40SPEAKERso they could fit millimeter wave 5G.

14:42SPEAKERLike they've been compromising phones

14:44SPEAKERand like for a feature that is practically worthless

14:48SPEAKERfor most people.

14:49SPEAKER- So is this only for phones that were sold

14:51SPEAKERin the Verizon store or is this for phones

14:53SPEAKERto connect to the Verizon network?

14:54SPEAKER- I think it's only phones that Verizon would sell directly

14:57SPEAKERis the gist I got from this, I assume.

15:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fine then, who cares?

15:02SPEAKERLike I fundamentally, I don't like,

15:05SPEAKERif Verizon wants to sell a more expensive crappier phone

15:10SPEAKERin their store, which I'm going to try to avoid buying from

15:13SPEAKERfor the rest of my life as long as I can

15:14SPEAKERbecause it's always a bad experience.

15:16SPEAKER- Totally, I mean, but you are,

15:17SPEAKERbut I mean, I assume plenty of people still buy phones

15:19SPEAKERthrough their carrier though.

15:21SPEAKER- I, you know, I'd be really curious to see

15:23SPEAKERwhat the data on that is like in a post-Apple,

15:27SPEAKERyou know, the Apple recharge program or whatever thing,

15:32SPEAKERworld, like I would bet that they have seen

15:35SPEAKERa dramatic decrease in iPhone sales post that,

15:37SPEAKERwhich is why Apple has the leverage to say,

15:39SPEAKERyo, we're just not going to do this 'cause it's stupid.

15:41SPEAKERAnyway.

15:42SPEAKER- Yeah, so this thing,

15:43SPEAKERso the SE does not support millimeter wave out of the box,

15:46SPEAKERbut it sounds like that doesn't matter.

15:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:48SPEAKER- But it does support a C-band

15:50SPEAKERis this kind of mid range spectrum on 5G,

15:54SPEAKERwhich is the actual good one.

15:56SPEAKER- Yeah, well, but I mean,

15:57SPEAKERit still seems like it's just marginally faster than 4G.

16:00SPEAKERIt's just, there's more of the 5G

16:04SPEAKERfor everyone that's connected to a node.

16:05SPEAKERSo you're sharing less, your slices are bigger basically.

16:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, this story describes C-band

16:12SPEAKERas a best of both worlds chunk of radio spectrum

16:14SPEAKERwith far longer range, the millimeter wave

16:16SPEAKERand far better speeds than low band 5G.

16:18SPEAKER- Whoa, whoa.

16:20SPEAKER- Man, phone's just getting wild over here.

16:22SPEAKER- My phone just went buck wild, I'm sorry.

16:24SPEAKER- Phone is ready to party.

16:26SPEAKER- I was looking something up for the next segment.

16:29SPEAKER- So yeah, like it sounds like at least according to them,

16:31SPEAKERlike the C-band is the kind of sweet spot

16:33SPEAKERfor 5G to actually perform and be available at the same time.

16:37SPEAKER- But so this is why I was worried

16:39SPEAKERwhen people were talking about 5G revolutionizing video games

16:42SPEAKERand nonsense like that last year and the year before.

16:44SPEAKERAnd the takeaway is that 5G is an upgrade for carriers,

16:49SPEAKERnot for like users see marginal increase,

16:53SPEAKERcarriers see a massive increase in capacity

16:55SPEAKERand ability to deal with more congested networks,

16:58SPEAKERbut not in a way that's going to impact.

17:01SPEAKERLike if you move from a 4G,

17:04SPEAKERwhen you move from a 3G to a 4G phone,

17:06SPEAKERit felt like you had broadband in your pocket.

17:08SPEAKER- It was like stepping into the future.

17:09SPEAKER- Yeah, when you move from a 4G phone to a 5G phone,

17:12SPEAKERit's gonna work a little bit better

17:13SPEAKERin places where the 4G is probably not great.

17:15SPEAKER- I believe it.

17:16SPEAKERLike I've seen screenshots of people's speed tests out there

17:18SPEAKERand it's like, yes, okay.

17:19SPEAKERYou're now you're getting like what 200 megabits down

17:22SPEAKERinstead of 140 or something like that.

17:25SPEAKER- Well, and you'll also get a better speed

17:28SPEAKERwhen you're in a high, like say you go to a Giants game

17:31SPEAKERand you're in a ballpark with 50,000 people,

17:33SPEAKERyou're gonna have a better cellular connection there

17:36SPEAKERthan you would have with 4G.

17:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I mean having spent years at E3

17:40SPEAKERwith phones that are effectively useless,

17:42SPEAKERlike that's, there's something to that.

17:44SPEAKERThere's value there for sure.

17:46SPEAKER- But like E3 was fine as soon as we hit 4G stuff for me.

17:49SPEAKER- Yes, it was better.

17:50SPEAKER- I never had problems.

17:51SPEAKER- It was better for sure.

17:52SPEAKER- Anyway.

17:53SPEAKER- Anyway, I--

17:54SPEAKER- So you gonna buy one?

17:55SPEAKER- I was already, so I can actually get 100 bucks

17:57SPEAKERfor my iPhone 8 off of an SE, which like the prices--

18:00SPEAKER- You should do that.

18:01SPEAKER- It's, what is it, 429, 479, 579 are the size prices.

18:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:07SPEAKER- But 100 bucks off with, by trading in the older phone

18:10SPEAKERthat looks identical, like it's very tempting

18:12SPEAKERto just get this fast ass but old looking phone.

18:15SPEAKER- You have a four year old phone now, five year old phone?

18:17SPEAKER- How old is the eight?

18:18SPEAKERI got 2018, I think about four years ago.

18:21SPEAKER- It'll be four years this September.

18:23SPEAKER- It's starting to get a little clunky.

18:24SPEAKERLike the battery, the battery is down to like 90% capacity

18:27SPEAKERand like overall responsiveness is not what it was,

18:30SPEAKERI will say.

18:31SPEAKER- Does it have like the wireless charging

18:32SPEAKERand all that stuff or no?

18:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:34SPEAKER- It does?

18:35SPEAKER- It does.

18:36SPEAKER- Okay.

18:37SPEAKER- Like honestly, the camera and the wireless charging,

18:38SPEAKERtwo of the bigger upgrades for me.

18:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

18:41SPEAKERAnyway, yes, I was, I probably am still going

18:44SPEAKERto just get an SE and forget about having a phone again

18:47SPEAKERfor another three years, but--

18:48SPEAKER- There you go.

18:49SPEAKER- But that unreal reality scan app came out

18:53SPEAKERearlier this week, which requires,

18:55SPEAKERI assume requires LiDAR that the SE does not have

18:58SPEAKERand I was like, hmm.

19:00SPEAKER- Well, so these apps have been around for like,

19:03SPEAKERScanD Pro, that's what just made the noise a minute ago.

19:07SPEAKERScanD Pro has been around since the depth camera

19:09SPEAKERcame out on the phones years ago.

19:11SPEAKERLike reality scan is neat, reality scan is using

19:15SPEAKERthe depth camera to position the camera in 3D space,

19:17SPEAKERit seems like, to do photogrammetry,

19:19SPEAKERnot necessarily to like use the LiDAR to scan

19:21SPEAKERbecause, or the depth camera to scan,

19:25SPEAKERbecause the depth camera is pretty low res,

19:28SPEAKERbut as a way to position the camera

19:30SPEAKERso it knows exactly where the shot was taken

19:32SPEAKERin relation to the object and yada yada.

19:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I just mean it's a prerequisite, you know.

19:36SPEAKER- It's pretty neat, like the reality scanner thing

19:38SPEAKERis pretty neat, I spent some time fooling with it yesterday

19:40SPEAKERand shot three or four models worth of stuff.

19:43SPEAKER- I've got one of your models right here in front of you,

19:44SPEAKERwe haven't actually said what that app does,

19:46SPEAKERit's, so I was not familiar with Sketchfab,

19:49SPEAKERbut I gather that's a place people put 3D models.

19:51SPEAKER- Sketchfab is a place you can share 3D models

19:53SPEAKERwith each other, I think they use a credit system

19:55SPEAKERto upload, to determine what's uploaded and shared.

19:58SPEAKERBut they also will do, I don't know where the math

20:01SPEAKERis happening to crunch the photogrammetry into a 3D mesh.

20:04SPEAKERI assume that's happening on the reality scan side,

20:06SPEAKERbut it might actually be on the Sketchfab side.

20:08SPEAKERBut yeah, so I did it yesterday,

20:09SPEAKERI took a Lego Boba Fett spaceship Lego version

20:14SPEAKERthat I built years ago, and I put it up on a,

20:17SPEAKERactually I put it up on a boxed up new set of sheets,

20:21SPEAKER'cause it was the right height and about the right size,

20:23SPEAKERand then I shot about 150 photos around it,

20:28SPEAKERand sent it up to the elves in the cloud

20:31SPEAKERto turn into a model, and it did a reasonably good job

20:33SPEAKERon the areas that I focused on.

20:35SPEAKER- Did okay, I will say that,

20:38SPEAKERat least I think we still have not fully described this app,

20:40SPEAKERbut it's, the pipeline that they are proposing

20:42SPEAKERis that this is a way to get real world objects

20:44SPEAKERinto the Unreal Engine as in-game assets,

20:47SPEAKERas 3D models. - Yeah, that's not realistic

20:48SPEAKERthough for people. - No, so that's the thing,

20:49SPEAKERis the video they put out, the video they put out

20:52SPEAKERhas a kind of a demo sequence of a lady shooting

20:56SPEAKERkind of a nice looking leather easy chair with this app.

20:59SPEAKER- That would probably work pretty well.

21:00SPEAKER- And then dropping it into in-game and it looks perfect,

21:03SPEAKERand I have not seen a single example

21:04SPEAKERof people actually trying this thing

21:06SPEAKERthat looks anywhere near what they depict in this video.

21:10SPEAKER- So we did a Fusho episode

21:11SPEAKERwhere we used a bunch of reality capture stuff

21:13SPEAKERto put assets into the game.

21:16SPEAKERWe did some laser scanning, we did some photogrammetry,

21:18SPEAKERwe did a bunch of other stuff.

21:20SPEAKERIt seems like this is using, like I said, photogrammetry,

21:22SPEAKERwhich is where you take a bunch of photos

21:25SPEAKERand the computer is like, okay, this pixel on this one

21:27SPEAKERis this pixel on this one, and it's able to infer depth

21:29SPEAKERfrom hundreds and hundreds of photos.

21:32SPEAKER- Is it all just based on the photos?

21:33SPEAKERIt's not recording any depth?

21:35SPEAKER- Well, it's recording the position of the camera.

21:36SPEAKER- Okay. - So in the photos.

21:38SPEAKERSo it positions, when you load up the app,

21:40SPEAKERit actually generates and you start taking pictures,

21:43SPEAKERit actually shows you where the pictures were taken

21:46SPEAKERin 3D space around the overlaid on top of the 2D picture

21:51SPEAKERfrom the camera.

21:52SPEAKER- So it has no actual 3D data, no depth data

21:55SPEAKERthat describes the contours of the object itself?

21:57SPEAKER- Well, no, the depth data, it is not transparent

22:02SPEAKERhow the application actually works.

22:04SPEAKERIt appears to be capturing a bunch of photos.

22:06SPEAKERMy guess is it's using the depth data

22:09SPEAKERas a second-tier data source rather than,

22:13SPEAKERthe primary source seems to be the photos.

22:15SPEAKERAnd the reason I can tell that is I tried to scan

22:18SPEAKERa white mouse and a black mouse.

22:19SPEAKERThe black mouse worked fine,

22:21SPEAKERthe white mouse was too reflective

22:22SPEAKERand the mesh was all lumpy and collapsed

22:25SPEAKERwhere the highlights on the photos were.

22:28SPEAKERAnd that shouldn't have happened with the,

22:30SPEAKERI wouldn't think that would have happened

22:32SPEAKERwith the depth sensor.

22:33SPEAKER- Yeah, and anyway, this stuff is neat.

22:34SPEAKERI don't know if it's like buy a more expensive phone

22:36SPEAKERthat I otherwise don't care about neat.

22:39SPEAKER- So like you are a perfect example of a person

22:42SPEAKERthat I would say should buy whatever the best one is

22:45SPEAKERat the moment because you keep things for so long.

22:47SPEAKER- Right, and that's why the SE is so appealing

22:49SPEAKERbecause internally it is the best one.

22:51SPEAKERIt matches the same flagship iPhone.

22:54SPEAKER- Yeah, except for the camera stuff.

22:56SPEAKERLook, I realize that you have a attachment to the button

22:59SPEAKERand don't like notches in a weird almost fetishistic way.

23:04SPEAKER- I like touch ID, it's never failed me.

23:08SPEAKERBut again though, the bigger thing is I just don't care

23:11SPEAKERthat much about phones these days.

23:13SPEAKERWorking from home, I just don't use the phone much.

23:15SPEAKER- Yeah, there is that.

23:17SPEAKER- The phone remains my primary computer

23:19SPEAKEReven though I'm working at home.

23:20SPEAKER- Right, like that's true for a ton of people

23:22SPEAKERand for them obviously a better phone is more sensible.

23:26SPEAKERBut it's just a thing to have when I go out of the house

23:29SPEAKERto enable basic communication.

23:31SPEAKER- You should just get an Apple Watch and put cellular on it.

23:33SPEAKERYou don't even need a phone.

23:34SPEAKER- Oh man, just go full Dick Tracy.

23:36SPEAKER- Just go full Dick Tracy.

23:39SPEAKERWell, I think you should order that phone now

23:41SPEAKERso that you get it sometime in the next two years

23:43SPEAKER'cause I wanna hear about how it is.

23:44SPEAKER- Oh, actually, I mean, that's a whole other thing is the--

23:48SPEAKER- I wasn't talking about their pipeline.

23:50SPEAKER- Okay, well, they have same day delivery.

23:52SPEAKERLike if you can order an iPhone online

23:54SPEAKERand they will deliver it that day these days.

23:57SPEAKER- So I think that's only in the city, I don't get that.

23:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I did, I'm sure.

24:00SPEAKERI was gonna say, I'm sure that's somebody

24:01SPEAKERliterally embarking from an Apple store.

24:04SPEAKER- I'm sure that they're contracting

24:05SPEAKERwith DoorDash or someone to do that.

24:08SPEAKER- I'm not gonna do that, but.

24:10SPEAKER- Should we talk about the Mac Studio a little bit?

24:12SPEAKER- They announced the Mac Studio, which let's see,

24:15SPEAKERI described it as a Mac, not so many.

24:18SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like a chunky Mac.

24:19SPEAKER- It's like a very, very thick Mac mini.

24:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it weighs eight pounds.

24:23SPEAKERI was kind of surprised.

24:25SPEAKER- I wonder what they're machining.

24:28SPEAKERIs it still aluminum?

24:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it's all aluminum.

24:31SPEAKERThe reviews are out, like the people actually have them.

24:37SPEAKERThey reviewed really, really well.

24:38SPEAKERPeople were really stoked about them.

24:39SPEAKERAnd then they got out in the real world

24:41SPEAKERand people started kind of sharing feedback

24:43SPEAKERon where they're strong and where they're weak.

24:46SPEAKERIt seems like the CPU perf is incredible,

24:49SPEAKERas you would expect, especially on native apps.

24:51SPEAKERSo it uses the new ARM, Apple ARM M1 processor.

24:55SPEAKER- M1 Ultra is basically.

24:57SPEAKER- Max and Ultra, there's two versions.

24:59SPEAKER- Oh, you can get a max version, right?

25:00SPEAKER- Yeah, the max version is, the Ultra one is like seven grand

25:03SPEAKERthe max one is probably the one for most people to get

25:06SPEAKERunless you're like a content creator.

25:07SPEAKER- So like the Mac Studio is kind of interesting to me

25:09SPEAKERbut the roadmap for Apple ARM CPU's

25:11SPEAKERis the thing that's actually interesting to me.

25:13SPEAKERAnd like a lot of people who I'm reading the rumors

25:16SPEAKERleading up to this event,

25:17SPEAKERa lot of people were expecting the M2 to debut here

25:20SPEAKERand it did not.

25:21SPEAKER- I would say that the people who expected that

25:22SPEAKERprobably don't understand the difficulties

25:26SPEAKERof chip production.

25:27SPEAKER- Well, no, no, no, it's coming.

25:28SPEAKERLike the rumors peg it as soon.

25:30SPEAKERIt's just, will it be here or will it be a WWDC?

25:33SPEAKERBut the current understanding from like analysts

25:36SPEAKERis that the M2, it will debut this year

25:39SPEAKERbut in the MacBook Air, like they're gonna do the same thing

25:40SPEAKERthey did before of, that's what I was gonna say about the M1

25:43SPEAKERis they keep adding new tiers to the M1, right?

25:45SPEAKERLike it was just the M1 for like a year

25:47SPEAKERand then they rolled out the Pro and Max

25:49SPEAKERwith the new MacBook Pros

25:50SPEAKERand then they just rolled out the Ultra with the Studio.

25:53SPEAKERIt sounds like they're gonna do the same thing again

25:54SPEAKERwhere the M2 will start as just the low tier

25:57SPEAKERMacBook Air part and then they'll probably

25:59SPEAKERscale it up from there again.

26:00SPEAKER- Yeah, there's two ways to do this.

26:03SPEAKEROne is the way that the GPU manufacturers do

26:05SPEAKERwhich is where they roll out the high end part

26:07SPEAKERand then they roll out lower end parts

26:09SPEAKERwhen they have chips that don't fab,

26:12SPEAKERthat don't pass, when they bin them coming out of the fab

26:17SPEAKERand they have like 30% of units on the chip dead.

26:20SPEAKERThen they'll say, okay, well we have a cheaper chip

26:23SPEAKERthat has 30% fewer shader model, shader engines,

26:27SPEAKERblah, blah, blah, here's how much this costs.

26:30SPEAKERApple has traditionally gone the other direction

26:32SPEAKERwhere they start at the low end and then they add stuff on

26:35SPEAKERas they lock down the process

26:37SPEAKERand they get the fab working and all that.

26:39SPEAKERAnd yeah, 'cause like the M1, the M1 Max and the M1 Ultra

26:46SPEAKERare basically one unit, two units, four units, right?

26:51SPEAKERIn the CPU model.

26:55SPEAKERLike they're just gluing more of them together.

26:57SPEAKERThere's nothing, I mean there's obviously,

26:59SPEAKERthere's high speed interconnects and stuff like that.

27:01SPEAKERIt's not as simple as just making the chip bigger.

27:03SPEAKERBut literally that's the gist of what's happening.

27:07SPEAKER- But the same basic architecture, right?

27:09SPEAKER- Yeah, same chips, just more.

27:11SPEAKERThere's no fundamental changes in clocks and stuff like that.

27:14SPEAKERIt's just more silicon.

27:17SPEAKERAnd as a result, that M1 Ultra chip is stupid big.

27:21SPEAKERLike it is really, really large.

27:22SPEAKER'Cause it's GPU, CPU all on one ASIC, it's ridiculous.

27:25SPEAKER- Have you looked at any tear downs of the studio?

27:27SPEAKERLike how much of that thing is just heat sink, I wonder?

27:30SPEAKER- Well, the performance per watt's still pretty good.

27:33SPEAKER'Cause like if you think about what an ARM processor

27:37SPEAKERgenerates in terms of like MIPS per watt,

27:40SPEAKERlike it's not high, right?

27:43SPEAKEREven at desktop clock speeds.

27:44SPEAKERSo like the one thing people have said about the studios

27:47SPEAKERis that they're not loud.

27:49SPEAKERAnd the CPU perf has been really good.

27:51SPEAKERLike people are really stoked

27:53SPEAKERat how the CPUs are performing, especially.

27:55SPEAKERI mean, obviously it's mostly on native apps

27:57SPEAKERwhen you get into Rosetta and start converting

28:01SPEAKERfrom different architectures, things get

28:03SPEAKERa little less efficient.

28:04SPEAKER- What if you dogmatically refused to install Rosetta 2?

28:07SPEAKER- Well, we're gonna get to that in a minute.

28:09SPEAKER'Cause I have some real questions about the usability

28:11SPEAKERof a Mac M1 without Rosetta installed.

28:13SPEAKER- I can speak to that.

28:16SPEAKER- The thing that shocked me is I was reading a bunch

28:18SPEAKERof people who are actually doing firsthand reviews

28:21SPEAKERand no film school who does pretty good practical reviews

28:25SPEAKERof stuff, they're not, they don't do it.

28:27SPEAKERI mean, they do benchmarks, but they also look at it as,

28:29SPEAKERokay, if I spend X numbers of dollars more,

28:32SPEAKERhow much time is this gonna save me

28:33SPEAKERas a professional video editor?

28:36SPEAKERThey were like, look, the difference between the high end

28:38SPEAKERand the cheap one is kind of inconsequential

28:42SPEAKERfor video renders because the video renders

28:44SPEAKERare already really accelerated and already really fast.

28:46SPEAKERSo you save like a minute on a two hour video render,

28:49SPEAKERtwo minutes on a two hour video render, who cares, right?

28:54SPEAKERAnd the other thing that came up and MKBHD

28:59SPEAKERtalked about this on his video a fair amount,

29:01SPEAKERthe GPU kind of sucks compared to like a dedicated desktop.

29:05SPEAKERLike if you're doing workstation workloads

29:07SPEAKERthat require like 30 90s, 30 80s,

29:10SPEAKERlike high-end 400 watt, you know,

29:14SPEAKERtwo power supply giant fan GPUs,

29:17SPEAKERthe thing in the studios is not gonna cut the mustard for you.

29:23SPEAKER- That's really not that surprising, I mean.

29:25SPEAKER- Well, I mean, look, this is the normal Apple thing, right?

29:29SPEAKERHey, we have a high-end workstation.

29:32SPEAKERIf you look at the last Mac Pro,

29:36SPEAKERwhatever the one with the wheels was

29:37SPEAKERthat you could spec out to be $60,000.

29:39SPEAKER- Wait, was that the last one?

29:41SPEAKER- That was the last one.

29:41SPEAKER- I thought the trash--

29:42SPEAKER- There was the trashcan, then there was the baby,

29:44SPEAKERthe baby cheese grater, and now there's this one.

29:47SPEAKER- Yes, I forgot they brought the cheese grater back.

29:49SPEAKER- They brought the cheese grater back for like six months.

29:51SPEAKER- Mac Pro is so hard to keep up with for some reason to me.

29:55SPEAKER- Look, here's my fundamental,

29:57SPEAKERunless you really have to work on OS X,

30:00SPEAKERlike the Mac Pro, Mac Studio line always is a bad choice.

30:04SPEAKERYou're gonna get much more hardware at much lower cost

30:08SPEAKERthat's much more capable for spending,

30:10SPEAKERand spend a lot if you go with a Windows machine.

30:14SPEAKERYou can't run OS X or OS 11.

30:16SPEAKER- I mean, I guess we're just trying to read tea leaves here,

30:18SPEAKERbut I wonder if ARM is ever coming to the Mac Pro line.

30:22SPEAKER- No, this is the new Mac Pro line.

30:24SPEAKER- The studio, you think?

30:25SPEAKER- Studio, Mac Pro, the Mac Pro is dead.

30:27SPEAKER- That was gonna be my question is,

30:29SPEAKERis this Mac Studio actually what you're gonna get

30:31SPEAKERif you're looking for a new Mac Pro?

30:33SPEAKER- This is the new Mac Pro.

30:34SPEAKER- You think so?

30:35SPEAKER- 100%.

30:35SPEAKER- You literally think the product line,

30:37SPEAKERthe branding is gone?

30:38SPEAKER- I think that the Mac Pro is a more abundant product line

30:41SPEAKERat this point, and we will not see more Mac Pros

30:43SPEAKERfor the foreseeable future.

30:44SPEAKER- I mean, I guess it was never like a massive revenue driver

30:47SPEAKERor like volume mover for them, right?

30:48SPEAKER- There was a period of time that it was.

30:49SPEAKER- Well, I mean way back when, but I mean more recently.

30:51SPEAKER- 15 years ago.

30:52SPEAKER- Right, like more recently, it's probably just not worth

30:54SPEAKERtheir profit margins at this point, right?

30:56SPEAKER- I think it's a thing that they continue to build software,

30:59SPEAKERbuild hardware in, because they need that.

31:02SPEAKERThey need, it's like why does Ford make a luxury car?

31:09SPEAKERThey don't sell very many of them,

31:11SPEAKERbut they need that market line because they need just,

31:14SPEAKERI don't know, they need to sell something

31:17SPEAKERin it to everybody else.

31:18SPEAKERLike, I don't know why they continue to make these

31:20SPEAKERother than they have a bunch of people

31:22SPEAKERwho do video editing.

31:24SPEAKERLike this is a computer that exists

31:26SPEAKERso Pixar can buy them, right?

31:28SPEAKER- Sure.

31:29SPEAKER- Pixar and Disney buy these computers, it seems like.

31:31SPEAKERI don't, yeah, it seems like a lot of money

31:34SPEAKERand a lot of effort to, I mean, the benefit of this

31:38SPEAKERis it's pushing the silicon forward

31:40SPEAKERand they're seeing how big the chips can scale,

31:43SPEAKERwhich is, I guess, a good thing.

31:45SPEAKER- It's an interesting experiment or exercise, I think.

31:47SPEAKER- Like for me, the M1 stuff is much more interesting

31:51SPEAKERon the mobile side because they're the benefits

31:54SPEAKERof ARM really shine.

31:55SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.

31:56SPEAKER- Which is a segue.

31:57SPEAKER- This is, yes, you're right.

31:58SPEAKERI started to digress and then I had to stop myself

32:01SPEAKERbecause like, you know, there's stuff going on

32:02SPEAKERwith Intel and AMD right now that's kind of interesting,

32:04SPEAKERbut that's probably out of scope for this episode.

32:07SPEAKER- I don't think Apple cares what Intel and AMD are doing.

32:10SPEAKER- No, but I do because I want to build a new computer.

32:13SPEAKER- Yeah, no, no, I know, I'm just saying--

32:14SPEAKER- Let's talk about it later.

32:15SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a different episode probably.

32:18SPEAKERHow's your M1 MacBook Pro going?

32:20SPEAKER- I didn't realize you bought the Pro,

32:21SPEAKERI thought you got the Air, so.

32:23SPEAKER- No, no, no, I mean like that's, the Air is old.

32:25SPEAKERLike the Air, in fact, what is even--

32:26SPEAKER- Yeah, my wife wants a new laptop and I told her

32:28SPEAKERshe has to wait until we get the,

32:29SPEAKERuntil the new Airs come out.

32:31SPEAKER- The-- - It's two years old

32:32SPEAKERat this point.

32:33SPEAKER- And the 13-inch Pro is pretty old.

32:34SPEAKERLike the, what I bought was the 14-inch MacBook Pro

32:37SPEAKER'cause those, the 14 and the 16 just debuted last fall.

32:40SPEAKER- And the 13-inch Pro is an Intel chip

32:42SPEAKERand the 14-inch Pro is an M1?

32:44SPEAKER- No, no, no, 13-inch is the plain Jane M1.

32:47SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

32:48SPEAKER- The new Pros, so I mean even that is like, see,

32:50SPEAKERthere's even division within the Pro line.

32:52SPEAKERThe 13-inch is the old M1, the 14 and 16

32:54SPEAKERare the new M1 Pro or Max. - Souped up, okay.

32:57SPEAKER- Depending on what you get.

32:58SPEAKERSo I got the, I just got the M1 Pro

33:01SPEAKERin a 14-inch MacBook Pro.

33:02SPEAKER- Is it the base model actually?

33:04SPEAKER- I got the slight upgrade on the CPU and GPU cores.

33:06SPEAKER- Okay.

33:07SPEAKER- It's interesting, like looking at the CPU on there

33:10SPEAKERand trying to decide, I mean, you know,

33:12SPEAKERI'm sure they try to simplify it

33:14SPEAKERfor like a more mainstream audience on the sale page.

33:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:17SPEAKER- And they ask you, hey, do you want the,

33:18SPEAKERI think it's eight-core versus 10-core CPU?

33:20SPEAKERAnd it's like a $200 upgrade.

33:22SPEAKERAnd you're like, like, do I really need to spend that much

33:24SPEAKERfor two more cores?

33:25SPEAKERBut what they don't specify is you're getting

33:27SPEAKERtwo more performance cores.

33:28SPEAKERYou're not getting any more efficiency cores.

33:30SPEAKER- Oh, right, 'cause they have a, what is it,

33:34SPEAKERlike 16 cores total and half of them are slow.

33:36SPEAKER- Well, it depends on which one, like the Ultra,

33:38SPEAKERthe Ultra, it's the big dot little thing, right?

33:40SPEAKERSo like, they're not the Ultra, I'm sorry, the Max.

33:42SPEAKERThis is, this is a lot, Pro, Max, Ultra.

33:45SPEAKER- Which ones, yeah, if I was rating those,

33:47SPEAKERI would put Pro above everything but Ultra.

33:49SPEAKERBut it's not, that's not the way it works.

33:50SPEAKER- I believe the Max.

33:51SPEAKER- Max is the middle, right?

33:53SPEAKER- Pro, Max, yes.

33:54SPEAKERMax was the top, Max is now the middle.

33:56SPEAKERNow the Ultra is the top. - Yeah, sorry, Max.

33:58SPEAKER- Anyway, I think the Max does go up to 16 cores.

34:00SPEAKEROn the Pro, it only goes up to 10, which is the one I got.

34:02SPEAKERBut yeah, like, when I actually eyeballed it,

34:04SPEAKERI realized like, oh, you're actually getting

34:06SPEAKERlike a third more of the good cores if you spend this money.

34:09SPEAKERIt's not just two more cores out of 10.

34:12SPEAKERIt's, there's more performance there than, yeah.

34:15SPEAKERAnd I get why they don't go into that detail there,

34:17SPEAKERbut I'm glad I, I'm glad I looked.

34:19SPEAKER- So how is it?

34:20SPEAKERAre you liking it?

34:21SPEAKER- It's pretty awesome.

34:22SPEAKERIt's a pretty goddamn good laptop.

34:24SPEAKERLike I've had it for a little bit,

34:25SPEAKERbut I was just kind of plinking at it around the house

34:27SPEAKER'cause I don't have a ton of need for a laptop here,

34:29SPEAKERbut then I traveled and had to work

34:31SPEAKERfor a week and a half on it.

34:33SPEAKERAmazing.

34:33SPEAKERLike it's. - How's, how's, like,

34:35SPEAKERI'm gonna jump straight to the thing I care about.

34:36SPEAKERHow's the keyboard, Brad?

34:37SPEAKER'Cause it's so, keyboards have been bad.

34:39SPEAKER- The keyboard is totally unremarkable,

34:43SPEAKERand I mean that in a good way.

34:44SPEAKER- That's perfect.

34:45SPEAKERYeah, that's all I want.

34:46SPEAKER- It absolutely just works.

34:47SPEAKERI haven't even thought about the keyboard.

34:48SPEAKERLet me put it that way.

34:49SPEAKER- That's beautiful.

34:50SPEAKER- It feels great.

34:51SPEAKERIt works fine.

34:52SPEAKERI'd never had any of the bad Apple keyboards.

34:55SPEAKERLike I, work issued me a 2013 MacBook Pro in like 2013.

35:00SPEAKER- Yeah, the last of the good ones.

35:01SPEAKER- And I used it for, like basically until I left almost.

35:04SPEAKERLike I'd, like, so I never really touched

35:07SPEAKERany of the shitty keyboards,

35:08SPEAKERand I don't even know what actually is so bad about them.

35:10SPEAKER- Oh, so the, the problem was they had,

35:12SPEAKERthey were really low profile.

35:15SPEAKERSo like the key, the key press was very short

35:17SPEAKERand they were, I would say defective to the point

35:19SPEAKERthat if any dust got underneath them,

35:21SPEAKERthen the sensor just stopped working.

35:22SPEAKER- That seems like a pretty severe design flaw for a keyboard.

35:25SPEAKER- It was bad.

35:26SPEAKERIt was a bad time.

35:27SPEAKER- Especially an embedded keyboard

35:28SPEAKERin a much more expensive device.

35:29SPEAKER- Yep, and a device you have to completely disassemble

35:32SPEAKERto replace the keyboard, yes.

35:33SPEAKER- I may have kind of just misrepresented my experience

35:36SPEAKERbecause like literally the weekend

35:37SPEAKERbefore we went to work from home for the pandemic,

35:39SPEAKERthey, they swapped out my work laptop at CBS

35:42SPEAKERand gave me the one with the full size touch bar.

35:45SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

35:46SPEAKER- But again, I was at home,

35:47SPEAKERso I basically never used this laptop, but yeah.

35:49SPEAKERBut like the little bit that I used it,

35:51SPEAKERI despised that touch bar, oh my God.

35:53SPEAKERNot having a physical escape key

35:54SPEAKERwas just like, I could not, I absolutely hated it.

35:58SPEAKER- I don't have any, I didn't, I didn't,

35:59SPEAKERI never bought one of those.

36:01SPEAKER- And then real quick, like they, they swapped that one out

36:03SPEAKERwhen the Red Ventures transition happened.

36:05SPEAKERThey sent me one with a touch bar,

36:07SPEAKERbut a physical escape key.

36:08SPEAKER- Oh, that was a big improvement.

36:10SPEAKER- That helped quite a bit because I realized like

36:12SPEAKERfunction keys, I pretty much still look down when I tap.

36:16SPEAKEREscape key, I very absentmindedly just like,

36:18SPEAKERwithout looking, go to the corner of the keyboard

36:21SPEAKERto exit out of things and not having that, anyway.

36:23SPEAKER- Does your, does it, does it have a fingerprint sensor?

36:25SPEAKER- Yes.

36:26SPEAKER- But that's really nice.

36:27SPEAKER- It's fantastic, yeah.

36:28SPEAKERLike the keyboard is super great.

36:29SPEAKERLike, yes, I, you know, to, to unlock the keyboard

36:31SPEAKERor the computer after you open it, just like,

36:33SPEAKERit's instantaneous, like almost,

36:36SPEAKERalmost as fast as I can open the laptop lid.

36:38SPEAKERIt detects the fingerprint and just logs in.

36:41SPEAKER- Wait, it's the fingerprints.

36:42SPEAKERWhere's the fingerprint sensor?

36:43SPEAKER- Up in the top right, it's also the power button.

36:45SPEAKER- Oh, so you flip it up and grab it on the way up?

36:47SPEAKER- Except there, there kind of is no power button

36:50SPEAKERbecause they are now just forcing the,

36:52SPEAKERwhen you open the laptop, it turns on

36:54SPEAKERand there's nothing you can do about it.

36:55SPEAKER- So opening the laptop is the power button?

36:56SPEAKER- Yes, which I really don't love.

36:58SPEAKERAnd on the x86 ones that did that,

37:00SPEAKERthere was a kind of a terminal command you could run

37:02SPEAKERthat would disable that.

37:04SPEAKERThat apparently has gone away now.

37:05SPEAKERThere's no way to turn that off,

37:06SPEAKERwhich I really am not a fan of.

37:09SPEAKER- Hmm, how would you use a button on the keyboard otherwise?

37:12SPEAKERIs that the thought?

37:13SPEAKER- To turn it on?

37:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's how it was.

37:15SPEAKERYeah, the power button was part of the keyboard before.

37:17SPEAKER- My ancient 13 inch pro has a button on the keyboard.

37:19SPEAKER- Yeah, that's how my old one was.

37:21SPEAKERThe only real situations where that is annoying

37:24SPEAKERis like sometimes, like I want to open it

37:25SPEAKERand see if I left it on before I go to the airport,

37:27SPEAKERfor example, but because of the way it works,

37:30SPEAKERopening it turns it on, so of course it's on.

37:33SPEAKERThe other one is just like--

37:33SPEAKER- Wait, you turn it off when you go to the airport

37:35SPEAKERall the way? - Yeah.

37:36SPEAKER- This seems like a device I would probably never turn

37:38SPEAKERall the way off.

37:39SPEAKER- So it's kind of less necessary with this one.

37:41SPEAKERLike in the past when battery life was not great

37:43SPEAKEReven in sleep, that's why I would turn it off

37:45SPEAKER'cause it's like, oh, I don't know what I'm gonna turn

37:46SPEAKERthis back on again.

37:47SPEAKERI want it to be at 100% when I do need it.

37:50SPEAKERBut this one burns batteries so slowly in sleep

37:53SPEAKERthat it kind of actually doesn't matter.

37:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so what has your battery life been like?

37:59SPEAKER- So in heavy usage, you'll still see it drop.

38:02SPEAKERLike it's not magic.

38:03SPEAKERLike if I'm sitting there--

38:05SPEAKER- Can you do like four hours of video editing or--

38:08SPEAKER- I haven't done anything that heavy yet.

38:09SPEAKERLike the most I've done with it is like recorded audio,

38:11SPEAKERlike compressed some stuff, no video editing yet.

38:15SPEAKERLike, you know, just like running the backlight

38:17SPEAKERlike basic usage still burns battery.

38:19SPEAKERLike if I just sit there doing web and email stuff

38:21SPEAKERfor a couple hours on the couch, it'll go down 10%.

38:25SPEAKER- Jesus, really, that's it?

38:26SPEAKER- Yes.

38:27SPEAKERAm I already that spoiled that I was like,

38:29SPEAKERoh, that sounds like a lot to me?

38:31SPEAKER- Yeah, that's like, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be

38:33SPEAKERsurprised 'cause we should be expecting like iPad levels

38:36SPEAKERof battery life and performance here.

38:38SPEAKER- That's basically how it is.

38:39SPEAKERI mean, it's yeah, maybe 15%.

38:42SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

38:43SPEAKERLike if you can use it, if you can sit there and use it,

38:46SPEAKERso theoretically you could unplug your laptop in the morning

38:48SPEAKERuse it unplugged all day at an eight hour, 10 hour workday

38:52SPEAKERand still have some battery left.

38:53SPEAKER- You could probably make it.

38:54SPEAKERI haven't tried that yet, but I would guess

38:56SPEAKERyou could make it if you're not doing anything too heavy.

38:58SPEAKER- I would be curious.

38:59SPEAKER- Or even if you are, I mean, I think like the, again,

39:01SPEAKERthe efficiency of that thing is such--

39:02SPEAKER- It seems like the backlight's the big thing.

39:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I would guess that just having the backlight up

39:05SPEAKERis probably the, is what's hitting the battery

39:08SPEAKERreally hard there.

39:09SPEAKER- How's the screen?

39:10SPEAKER- So amazing, like it's--

39:12SPEAKER- Is it an LCD or an OLED?

39:13SPEAKER- It's LCD, but it's got, God, I, hang on.

39:18SPEAKER- Is there a 10 bit thing?

39:19SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, it's the backlight.

39:20SPEAKERI can't believe I'm blanking on this.

39:22SPEAKERI should--

39:23SPEAKER- Oh, the adaptive backlight?

39:24SPEAKER- Oh my God, this is killing me, Phil, while I find this.

39:28SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess the big question for me,

39:34SPEAKERI'm not gonna engage in the thing about,

39:36SPEAKERI'm gonna make you bring up the notch, actually.

39:40SPEAKERHow is the arm, I guess the big question is the arm stuff,

39:44SPEAKER'cause like we're two years into this transition,

39:48SPEAKERbut it seems like it's going as slow as it always does

39:50SPEAKERin that I'm aware of at least a handful of things

39:53SPEAKERthat I use on the day-to-day that still aren't supported,

39:56SPEAKERand the way they've been supporting Rosetta,

39:58SPEAKERlike the, if you turn it on, you're stuck with it forever,

40:03SPEAKERnature of Rosetta is--

40:05SPEAKER- Is that how it was last time, from PowerPC to x86?

40:08SPEAKER- I don't think you had a choice.

40:09SPEAKERI think it was just always, I think it was always there.

40:12SPEAKER- Right.

40:13SPEAKER- I mean, in that regard,

40:14SPEAKERI guess it's a little bit different.

40:15SPEAKERI don't feel like, like I didn't,

40:21SPEAKERthere wasn't a massive downside

40:22SPEAKERto having backwards compatibility on the old desktops,

40:27SPEAKERbut also it was a time when we would re,

40:29SPEAKERlike you still had to reinstall OS X every once in a while,

40:33SPEAKERjust like you still had to reinstall Windows

40:35SPEAKERevery once in a while, and that, thankfully,

40:37SPEAKERseems to be a thing that is now in every five-ish years,

40:40SPEAKERnot an every year kind of situation for most people,

40:43SPEAKEReven for hardcore users.

40:44SPEAKER- Yeah, so I have not installed Rosetta 2 yet.

40:48SPEAKERI kind of just like, as a challenge,

40:50SPEAKERto see if I can get away without it.

40:52SPEAKER- So what are you missing?

40:53SPEAKER- If it really came down to it, I would,

40:55SPEAKERbut I just haven't absolutely been forced to yet.

40:58SPEAKER- But I'm curious how that stuff runs is the thing.

41:00SPEAKER- Well, so that's actually part of what stopped me

41:03SPEAKERis anecdotally reading a lot about x86.

41:07SPEAKERLike it absolutely hits the battery way harder.

41:09SPEAKERLike it's kind of not surprising, right?

41:11SPEAKERIs that it burns way more juice

41:13SPEAKERand runs much less efficiently.

41:15SPEAKERSo that's kind of,

41:16SPEAKERthat's part of the reason I've been trying to avoid it.

41:18SPEAKERBut just about everything is there.

41:19SPEAKERI'm trying to think of, like Audacity is not yet,

41:22SPEAKERbut they said the next major version will be built for M1.

41:25SPEAKEREverything else, pretty much,

41:26SPEAKERI will say this has introduced me to Discord Canary,

41:30SPEAKERwhich is the like alpha kind of rolling nightly

41:34SPEAKERkind of version of Discord, which is native,

41:37SPEAKERbut is like literally every time I opened it,

41:39SPEAKERit has to update.

41:40SPEAKERLike if I leave it running, it updates,

41:41SPEAKERI think literally every day.

41:43SPEAKER- Wow.

41:44SPEAKER- And it has a yellow icon instead of a purple one.

41:46SPEAKER- I don't know if I can handle that.

41:48SPEAKER- Well, but it's better than running an x86 version Discord

41:51SPEAKERthat's going to hit the battery harder.

41:52SPEAKER- I guess that's true.

41:53SPEAKERYou could just run it in the web browser though.

41:55SPEAKER- True.

41:57SPEAKER- What about like Adobe stuff?

41:59SPEAKER- I haven't used any Adobe stuff on there.

42:02SPEAKER- DaVinci and Audacity, Blender, any of that stuff?

42:05SPEAKER- 'Cause Audacity is not there yet,

42:07SPEAKERbut should be soon, like Dropbox is there.

42:09SPEAKER- You were using GarageBand to record, I guess,

42:12SPEAKERwhen you were gone.

42:13SPEAKER- I was using GarageBand to record when I was out there.

42:15SPEAKERLike I downloaded Reaper,

42:16SPEAKERI downloaded the trial version of Reaper.

42:17SPEAKERThat is native, but I took one look at Reaper

42:21SPEAKERand was like, this is probably a lot.

42:23SPEAKERThis is overkill for just recording audio.

42:25SPEAKERMaybe I should find something simpler.

42:28SPEAKERAs much as people love Reaper.

42:30SPEAKERA lot of apps are packaging universal binaries at this point,

42:33SPEAKERwhich is both.

42:34SPEAKERThat's M1 and x86 code in the same.

42:37SPEAKER- Well, and theoretically,

42:39SPEAKERI would assume that that'll transition at some point

42:41SPEAKERwhere they only give you the x86 or the M1 version

42:45SPEAKERfrom when you're getting stuff from the store.

42:47SPEAKER- Yeah, that's possible.

42:48SPEAKER- What about the camera?

42:51SPEAKERIs it the normal?

42:52SPEAKER- It's nice, it's 1080p,

42:53SPEAKERwhich I think maybe new, I'm not sure.

42:55SPEAKERI mean, they made a big enough deal out of it being 1080p

42:58SPEAKERthat I assume that's not common.

43:00SPEAKER- I'd assume it's just the one

43:01SPEAKERthat's on the front of iPhones, right?

43:02SPEAKER- Probably, but I was using it when I was remote,

43:06SPEAKERI was using it to like appear on next lander streams

43:08SPEAKERand nobody complained about anything quality wise.

43:12SPEAKERSo it seemed to be a good webcam.

43:16SPEAKERThey had like, I was in meetings

43:17SPEAKERon the internal microphone on that thing

43:19SPEAKERand people were like shocked at how good I sounded on that

43:22SPEAKERas well, like I don't think I would use

43:24SPEAKERthe built-in microphone to record a podcast,

43:26SPEAKERbut apparently it was like quite good for a built-in.

43:29SPEAKER- I think you were using that webcam for me to talk to you

43:32SPEAKERwhile you were recording on your real mic.

43:33SPEAKER- Yes, oh yeah, so you've heard it, yes.

43:36SPEAKER- Yeah, like it didn't even sound very roomy,

43:39SPEAKERwhich was kind of surprising.

43:40SPEAKEROkay, anything else?

43:43SPEAKERUSB-C charging?

43:45SPEAKER- Oh yeah, they restored MagSafe.

43:47SPEAKERI think the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros

43:50SPEAKERare the first ones to have MagSafe again.

43:52SPEAKER- How, wait, so it's not USB-C?

43:54SPEAKER- So it does both.

43:55SPEAKERIt has, I want to say three, let me make sure.

43:58SPEAKERYes, it's got three USB-C ports on it

44:00SPEAKERand it will charge off of any of those.

44:02SPEAKER- Oh.

44:03SPEAKER- They're all like whatever the current Thunderbolt is,

44:04SPEAKERyou know, the, I mean, USB and Thunderbolt standards

44:07SPEAKERare insane, but they all do that data wise,

44:09SPEAKERbut they also all will charge off of USB-C in a pinch.

44:12SPEAKER- And that means you can charge your other things

44:14SPEAKERoff of them too, probably at a really insane speed.

44:16SPEAKER- I think that's the case, but it also has, like I said,

44:18SPEAKERa dedicated MagSafe, MagSafe to USB-C cable that comes with.

44:22SPEAKERSo, and like MagSafe is as great as it ever was.

44:25SPEAKER- Is there, they put USB-A ports back on the Mac Studio,

44:29SPEAKERwhich I thought was lovely.

44:30SPEAKER- Yeah, this does not have that.

44:32SPEAKER- You don't have USB-A ports.

44:33SPEAKER- No, you definitely still need to carry USB-A adapters

44:36SPEAKERaround, it's got so.

44:37SPEAKER- That dongle life.

44:38SPEAKER- So it's three USB-C, one headphone jack, one HDMI port

44:43SPEAKERand the SD card reader.

44:45SPEAKER- Oh, the SD card reader's back, okay.

44:47SPEAKER- So it's like pretty capable port-wise,

44:49SPEAKERlike they brought back a lot of the good stuff.

44:50SPEAKERThat was another thing with those work laptops I have.

44:52SPEAKERI had one that was USB-C only and nothing else

44:54SPEAKERand that was a nightmare.

44:55SPEAKER- Yeah, there was, well, and there was one USB,

44:57SPEAKERthere was one period there,

44:59SPEAKERit might have only been the Airs,

45:00SPEAKERbut like you got like one USB-C port and that was it,

45:04SPEAKERwhich seemed ill-advised.

45:06SPEAKER- Yes, I'm sorry, I have to circle back to the screen

45:09SPEAKER'cause I had a massive brain fart, it's early in the year.

45:11SPEAKER- Oh yeah. - Mini LED.

45:13SPEAKER- Oh, right.

45:14SPEAKER- Is what the screen is.

45:15SPEAKERLots and lots of LEDs to make the backlight turn on and off.

45:18SPEAKER- Kind of a dense, like quasi high resolution field of LEDs

45:22SPEAKERthat attempts to match the--

45:24SPEAKER- Darkness.

45:25SPEAKER- Screen image, yeah, so like the blacks are very good,

45:28SPEAKERlike it's an LCD, and also it's ProMotion,

45:30SPEAKERit's got high refresh, but I believe it's adaptive.

45:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the way they're doing it now.

45:36SPEAKERI think they're gonna do that on the iPad too.

45:37SPEAKER- It's not straight, 120 Hertz constantly,

45:39SPEAKERit kind of oscillates depending on what you're doing.

45:42SPEAKER- Okay, so here's the big question for me,

45:44SPEAKER'cause like my partner's in a new laptop situation

45:47SPEAKERand we've been having the, do you want a laptop

45:49SPEAKERor do you want an iPad conversation?

45:51SPEAKER'Cause like they're essentially same hardware, right?

45:54SPEAKERLike you're looking at more or less the same price,

45:57SPEAKERbut one is something you can also kind of use on the couch

45:59SPEAKERto browse content and the other one is a thing

46:01SPEAKERwith a keyboard and mouse, and like it's really unclear,

46:06SPEAKERlike this has been an easy decision up until this point,

46:09SPEAKERright, and I honestly don't know what to do.

46:13SPEAKERI'm just, we're just gonna get her whatever she wants.

46:15SPEAKER- The lines are kind of blurring.

46:16SPEAKERDid I see that there are M1s in iPads now?

46:19SPEAKERIs that correct? - Yeah, that's it.

46:20SPEAKER- That's crazy, I did not realize that.

46:22SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you get an iPad,

46:24SPEAKERwell, I mean, it depends on which one you get,

46:25SPEAKERbut if you get one of the low,

46:26SPEAKEReven the mid range iPad Pros are the same basic hardware

46:31SPEAKERas in the MacBook Airs, so it's a weird time.

46:37SPEAKERI'm curious what people think about that.

46:38SPEAKERSo if you have feedback.

46:40SPEAKER- Would you potentially be looking at a 13 inch iPad

46:43SPEAKERif you went the iPad route for that?

46:44SPEAKER- Probably the 10 inch would be my guess.

46:47SPEAKERYeah, the mid side, the small Pro.

46:49SPEAKER- That still pairs with the keyboard nicely,

46:51SPEAKERlike that might be the better of two worlds.

46:54SPEAKER- Well, yeah, and they're like the key,

46:54SPEAKERtheir keyboards have track pads and everything now.

46:56SPEAKERIt's not like you have to touch the screen

46:58SPEAKERlike some sort of heathen.

46:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I never got around to trying Sidecar.

47:01SPEAKERI meant to while I was out there.

47:02SPEAKERSidecar is the thing that basically turns an iPad

47:04SPEAKERinto a second monitor.

47:05SPEAKER- Yeah, it's wildly dependent on your Wi-Fi capabilities

47:08SPEAKERis my understanding, so.

47:10SPEAKEROkay, you have a big thing, it's all caps.

47:12SPEAKERI hesitate to engage with this.

47:15SPEAKER- We don't need to spend a lot of time on it.

47:16SPEAKERI just have to close the loop here.

47:17SPEAKER- How's the notch, Brad?

47:19SPEAKER- Look, it's due diligence, okay?

47:23SPEAKER- Okay, how is your notch neuroses?

47:27SPEAKERThat's my question.

47:28SPEAKER- Top notch basically blacks out the menu bar.

47:30SPEAKERLike all it actually does is edits your wallpaper

47:32SPEAKERto add a black strip at the top.

47:34SPEAKER- Wow.

47:35SPEAKER- To make the menu bar completely black,

47:37SPEAKERwhich so basically because the notch bleeds into the bezel,

47:40SPEAKERlike you just can't see it.

47:41SPEAKERLike, it's literally invisible.

47:43SPEAKERI don't even know it's there unless I move the arrow up

47:45SPEAKERand notice that it disappears in the middle of the screen.

47:47SPEAKER- Placebo effect.

47:49SPEAKER- Total, I mean, look, I just don't have to look at it,

47:50SPEAKERso I don't care about it anymore.

47:54SPEAKERBut it really makes me wonder like,

47:55SPEAKERwhy didn't they just build a black menu bar option

47:58SPEAKERin the Mac OS for this thing?

47:59SPEAKER- I mean, why would Apple ever give people

48:01SPEAKERthe thing that they want out of their computers?

48:03SPEAKERThis is not a thing that they do.

48:05SPEAKER- I guess there was a long, long tradition

48:06SPEAKERof people making little applets

48:08SPEAKERto fix annoying UI things on Mac OS, right?

48:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:12SPEAKERI'm glad you're able to, like, I don't,

48:14SPEAKERit's funny 'cause like for me,

48:15SPEAKERI would never sacrifice pixels, but I get it.

48:18SPEAKERIt's fine.

48:19SPEAKER- It's just an aesthetic thing.

48:19SPEAKERI just hate the way it looks.

48:20SPEAKERAnd now that I can't see it, I don't care.

48:23SPEAKER- I like the white bezels on these new Mac OS.

48:24SPEAKER- Oh no.

48:25SPEAKER- For the MacBooks.

48:26SPEAKERSo yeah, part and parcel with the M2 rumors,

48:28SPEAKERthe next MacBook Air that is supposed to have the M2

48:30SPEAKERis now being rumored to have a white notch.

48:33SPEAKER- I wonder if it's gonna be plastic again.

48:35SPEAKER- That's a good question, probably not.

48:37SPEAKER- Shiny white plastic, man.

48:38SPEAKERIt's gonna be the white aluminum,

48:39SPEAKERI bet that they do the phones in.

48:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and they haven't made plastic laptops in forever,

48:43SPEAKERhave they?

48:44SPEAKER- No, but it's gonna be the white aluminum,

48:46SPEAKERlike my phone or the white glass.

48:48SPEAKER- Anyway, that's gonna be harder to hide

48:49SPEAKER'cause obviously there's gonna be a seam between the--

48:52SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I guess so.

48:53SPEAKER- That and the screen.

48:54SPEAKERAnyway, I am happy enough with--

48:56SPEAKER- You can deal with it.

48:57SPEAKER- The rest of the laptop is so damn good

48:59SPEAKERthat I kinda don't care.

49:00SPEAKER- See, this is why you should just get an iPhone 13.

49:02SPEAKERYou can learn to love the notch.

49:05SPEAKERThink about how good your face is gonna look

49:07SPEAKERon those next lander streams.

49:08SPEAKERHow are those new AirPods?

49:11SPEAKER- So these are actually the old AirPods.

49:14SPEAKERI had been holding out, trying to wait for AirPod Pro 2s

49:17SPEAKERfor a really long time.

49:19SPEAKER'Cause I bought a pair of original AirPods

49:24SPEAKERon a trip one time because my headphones had an accident

49:28SPEAKERwhile I was away and I was taking,

49:30SPEAKERlike I ended up using them like old school Bluetooth headsets

49:33SPEAKER'cause I used them to take calls

49:36SPEAKERwhen I was doing a lot of phone work

49:37SPEAKERbefore I was into the Teams and Zoom life.

49:40SPEAKERAnd I had them for long enough that the battery conked out

49:44SPEAKERand I needed a new pair of headphones.

49:46SPEAKERSo the AirPod Pros went on sale just after Christmas

49:51SPEAKERfor like 80 bucks off.

49:52SPEAKERAnd I was like, this seems like a good price.

49:54SPEAKERI'll try these.

49:55SPEAKERI wish I had bought them years and years ago.

50:00SPEAKERThe sound quality is well-documented as fine,

50:03SPEAKERlike air quotes fine.

50:05SPEAKERIt's not great, it's not bad.

50:06SPEAKERIt's all the normal stuff about Beats and Apple headphones

50:08SPEAKERand that they overemphasize bass and all that stuff.

50:12SPEAKERBut there's an incredible convenience

50:14SPEAKERas somebody who listens to a lot of podcasts

50:15SPEAKERand listens to a lot of spoken audio

50:18SPEAKERand then also has a lot of like no lyrics or music

50:22SPEAKERon in the background when I'm doing work that can't have,

50:25SPEAKERlike, I don't know about you, but if I'm writing something,

50:27SPEAKERI absolutely can't have words in the background

50:29SPEAKERor else I just start typing whatever the lyrics are.

50:31SPEAKER- 100% me.

50:33SPEAKER- Yeah, so the noise, like I've had noise-canceling headphones

50:37SPEAKERbefore starting with like pink noise-generating headphones

50:41SPEAKERfrom the late '90s all the way through like Bose,

50:45SPEAKERyou know, quiet comfort canceling headphones.

50:49SPEAKERThe, there's two things.

50:52SPEAKEROne is that this is the first pair of Apple headphones

50:55SPEAKERthat actually fit me and stayed in my ears.

50:57SPEAKERThe AirPods always were a little flappy

50:59SPEAKERin a way that didn't ever feel quite right.

51:03SPEAKERThe, these, because these have the little plastic tip,

51:06SPEAKERthey stay in really nicely and they isolate,

51:10SPEAKERbut then they also do the noise cancellation too,

51:13SPEAKERwhere they're, you know, taking audio in

51:15SPEAKERand then generating opposite opposed sound waves

51:18SPEAKERso you basically get nothing through or very little through.

51:21SPEAKERAnd like, it's, the noise-canceling bit works so well

51:28SPEAKERthat like, if I wanna go take a nap

51:30SPEAKERand I live in a small house, it's loud,

51:32SPEAKERI have a nine-year-old, like there's always noise.

51:35SPEAKERI just put the headphones in and put on some like chill,

51:40SPEAKERchill ambient beats on an incredibly low volume.

51:45SPEAKERAnd like, I don't hear anything.

51:46SPEAKERI can just go right to sleep, it's amazing.

51:47SPEAKERFall asleep to beats?

51:50SPEAKERLike you don't, you don't listen to the ambient beats?

51:52SPEAKERI have a white noise app that has things

51:54SPEAKERlike campfire crackling and waterfall

51:57SPEAKERand like rain on a tin roof.

51:59SPEAKERSo I can't, I have enough tinnitus

52:02SPEAKERthat like a lot of the white noise stuff

52:05SPEAKERjust makes it worse.

52:08SPEAKERSo it also does the transparent,

52:10SPEAKERlike you squeeze the stem to switch it

52:14SPEAKERfrom noise-canceling to transparency mode.

52:16SPEAKER- Wait, is there any tactile feedback in that

52:18SPEAKERor are you squeezing hard plastic?

52:19SPEAKEROkay. - No, no, no.

52:20SPEAKERSo there's like a little, unlike the AirPods,

52:23SPEAKERthere's like a little, I don't know if you can see it,

52:25SPEAKERbut there's a flat, you're not gonna see that.

52:27SPEAKERThere's a flat spot on it that is like squishy.

52:29SPEAKER- Hmm.

52:30SPEAKER- And when you squeeze the squishy spot, it changes modes.

52:32SPEAKERI mean, you can set it to be any number of things.

52:35SPEAKERI think you can trigger like a shortcut with it if you want,

52:38SPEAKERbut you can long, you like hard press squeeze

52:41SPEAKERto switch it from noise-canceling to transparency.

52:44SPEAKERTransparency just uses the microphone

52:46SPEAKERand pipes in the audio from around the world.

52:48SPEAKERSo if somebody comes up to you and wants to talk to you,

52:49SPEAKERthen you can.

52:51SPEAKERThere's also just like off,

52:53SPEAKERwhich makes the batteries last a little bit longer,

52:55SPEAKERwhich is, and just uses the isolating kind of nature

52:58SPEAKERof the blocking your ear canal.

53:01SPEAKERI don't notice that,

53:02SPEAKERI know a lot of times with the noise-canceling stuff,

53:04SPEAKERpeople notice sucking on their ears,

53:06SPEAKERlike a sucking sensation.

53:07SPEAKERI haven't had any of that.

53:09SPEAKER- Interesting.

53:09SPEAKER- Seems to be piped through enough

53:11SPEAKERthat you don't get that.

53:13SPEAKER- That sounds terrible.

53:14SPEAKERThat's gross.

53:15SPEAKER- It's not like, I think it's a,

53:18SPEAKERit's not something I've experienced with these headphones.

53:23SPEAKERThey're small enough in your ear that like you can,

53:27SPEAKERlike I can lay on a soft pillow with my ear down

53:30SPEAKERand I'm not uncomfortable, which is nice.

53:33SPEAKERAnd the thing that I liked about them the best is that they,

53:38SPEAKERI can pipe audio to them from any device in the house

53:40SPEAKERpretty much at this point.

53:41SPEAKERSo they are connected to my phone,

53:45SPEAKERall the Apple TVs in the house.

53:47SPEAKERIf I want to, like Gina and I,

53:49SPEAKERmy daughter was in the living room in a fort,

53:51SPEAKERhaving a camp out while we were playing board games

53:53SPEAKERlast weekend and we were listening to music.

53:56SPEAKERSo I just tapped, I held her AirPods next to my phone

54:01SPEAKERand we were able to both listen to the same thing

54:02SPEAKERoff of the same phone.

54:03SPEAKER- That's how you like sync them or change device?

54:06SPEAKER- Yeah, you hit share in your music app and it's like,

54:09SPEAKERhey, here you go.

54:10SPEAKER- That's ridiculous.

54:11SPEAKERThat's kind of like that.

54:12SPEAKERDid you see that viral video going around recently

54:13SPEAKERof the like pinch and swipe from phone to iPad,

54:17SPEAKERlike copy and paste?

54:18SPEAKERI think they've had this for years.

54:20SPEAKERI think the gesture might be new.

54:23SPEAKER- I don't know about that, yeah.

54:24SPEAKER- That you can basically on one device,

54:25SPEAKERyou can like pinch the screen

54:26SPEAKERand then kind of like un-pinch on the other one.

54:28SPEAKERIt'll copy and paste across the cloud.

54:31SPEAKER- Bonkers.

54:32SPEAKER- Like again, the tech has been there for a while,

54:33SPEAKERbut the natural gesture

54:34SPEAKERis what makes it kind of magical looking.

54:36SPEAKER- Well, and the thing about this stuff

54:39SPEAKERis it's pretty seamless.

54:43SPEAKERLike the new control interface

54:46SPEAKERfor people that have Apple TVs and HomePods

54:49SPEAKERand all that stuff in their house works really well

54:52SPEAKERand lets you switch from one device to another

54:55SPEAKERreally seamlessly in a way that like

54:57SPEAKERhas been fiddly before.

54:59SPEAKERAnd also doesn't require you to like,

55:01SPEAKERit doesn't require you to like

55:02SPEAKERopen up the app on the other end.

55:04SPEAKERLike if you're switching from the Apple TV in one room

55:06SPEAKERto the Apple TV in another room,

55:07SPEAKERyou literally just open up the thing for the Apple TV

55:09SPEAKERin the other room, you're like,

55:10SPEAKER"Hey, play this thing in here

55:11SPEAKERthat you're playing in the other room."

55:12SPEAKERAnd it picks it up where you left off

55:13SPEAKERwithout me having to know I have to open the HBO app

55:16SPEAKERor whatever on the other side.

55:21SPEAKERBut you can also pipe audio from any of the devices

55:23SPEAKERinto the AirPods when you're on your phone

55:24SPEAKERor whatever.

55:25SPEAKERIt switches between the watch, between the TV,

55:28SPEAKERbetween the PC,

55:30SPEAKERlike even it switches between the PC pretty seamlessly.

55:32SPEAKERI have to connect and disconnect on the Bluetooth app

55:34SPEAKERon Windows 11, but it's like,

55:37SPEAKERit's no more clicks than it is

55:38SPEAKERon any other Bluetooth headset basically.

55:40SPEAKER- That's pretty impressive.

55:41SPEAKERI have to say,

55:42SPEAKERI know you're not gonna get the same level of integration,

55:44SPEAKERbut the fact that they have rolled out

55:46SPEAKERat least some of their basic services

55:47SPEAKERto non-Apple devices I think is like

55:51SPEAKERkind of a mind blowing development.

55:52SPEAKERI know it happened a while ago,

55:53SPEAKERbut like our Roku Ultra is now an AirPlay target

55:56SPEAKERand it can act as a HomePod,

55:59SPEAKERlike home whatever they call the thing

56:00SPEAKERthat manages all your home devices.

56:02SPEAKER- Oh really, I didn't know that.

56:04SPEAKER- Previously when they rolled that stuff out,

56:05SPEAKERyou either had to buy a HomePod

56:06SPEAKERor you could use an iPad for it.

56:07SPEAKER- Or an Apple TV.

56:08SPEAKER- Or an Apple TV, yes, yes.

56:09SPEAKERAnd of those, I only had an iPad.

56:12SPEAKERSo my iPad was the kind of home controller

56:14SPEAKERor whatever it was called.

56:15SPEAKERIt murdered the battery on that thing.

56:17SPEAKERLike, oh my God.

56:18SPEAKERLike you don't, it would drop 50% in a day just in sleep.

56:22SPEAKERLike it was terrible.

56:23SPEAKERSo you can use like something like a Roku now

56:25SPEAKERto like be your home hub thing.

56:27SPEAKER- Your home kit controller, that's interesting.

56:28SPEAKER- You're not gonna get all the cool

56:29SPEAKERlike device switching stuff

56:30SPEAKERyou're talking about necessarily with that.

56:31SPEAKERBut like it's still, Steve Jobs never would have allowed it.

56:34SPEAKER- Well, so I, but I actually do 'cause our,

56:37SPEAKERso it's all of the new generation AirPlay targets

56:40SPEAKERshow up in this stuff, the old.

56:42SPEAKERSo my, I have an app called AirServer that doesn't show up.

56:47SPEAKEROur Roku is a Roku 3 which was old

56:50SPEAKERand supports the like two generations ago

56:53SPEAKERAirPlay API or interface.

56:56SPEAKER- It's a screen mirror.

56:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the screen mirror kind, not the-

56:59SPEAKER- Even that is hugely valuable, right?

57:01SPEAKERLike I'm, we're not like opposed to an Apple TV.

57:03SPEAKERWe ended up with a Roku through circumstances.

57:07SPEAKERAnd since that's what we already had,

57:08SPEAKERlike the fact that I can mirror my iPad to a Roku now

57:10SPEAKERand not need an Apple TV.

57:11SPEAKERLike, it's just kind of like the walls

57:13SPEAKERaround one particular walled garden

57:15SPEAKERfinally fell down and it's kind of nice.

57:17SPEAKER- Oh yeah, definitely.

57:18SPEAKERWell, and it's good that other people are talking to that.

57:23SPEAKERAnd like, if you have a TV that has one

57:24SPEAKERof the newer Apple TV AirPlay implementations

57:27SPEAKERit should work with this as well.

57:28SPEAKERDude, the best, the stupidest best feature

57:32SPEAKERof the AirPods is the spatial audio stuff.

57:36SPEAKER- So yeah, what is that?

57:37SPEAKERI've heard, I've heard hushed whispers about this.

57:41SPEAKER- They have the UWC chips that let them spatially track

57:46SPEAKERwhere they are in your 3D space

57:49SPEAKERin relation to another object, like your phone.

57:51SPEAKERSo you can turn it on.

57:54SPEAKERLike they, if you have Apple music

57:56SPEAKERthen there's a bunch of spatially audio,

57:57SPEAKERspatial audio things that basically give you like,

58:00SPEAKERit's basically like the Dolby Digital 5.1 of music.

58:03SPEAKERSo you can like turn your head

58:05SPEAKERand it sounds like you're at a concert

58:06SPEAKERinstead of listening to something on a stereo album.

58:08SPEAKERThat's stupid.

58:09SPEAKER- That's weird, that's weird.

58:10SPEAKERI don't.

58:11SPEAKER- It's not good.

58:12SPEAKERI don't like it.

58:13SPEAKERIt creeps me out because I'm walking around the house

58:14SPEAKERand things sound different.

58:15SPEAKERIt's not what I want.

58:17SPEAKERBut you can do it with movies

58:18SPEAKERwhen it's hooked up to the Apple TV.

58:20SPEAKER- Okay.

58:21SPEAKER- So when I'm sitting on the couch

58:23SPEAKERand I have my headphones on

58:23SPEAKERI don't want to have the house loud

58:25SPEAKERand bother everybody

58:25SPEAKERwith whatever I'm watching too loud probably.

58:28SPEAKERI can put in the AirPods.

58:31SPEAKERI can set it to spatial audio

58:33SPEAKERand it sounds like I have a 5.1 set up in the living room.

58:36SPEAKERAnd I, like, I turned my head

58:37SPEAKERand it sounds like the, you know,

58:38SPEAKERthe torpedo is going behind me or, you know, whatever.

58:41SPEAKER- Wow.

58:42SPEAKER- And it actually works.

58:43SPEAKER- Wow, that's cool.

58:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:45SPEAKER- It's very cool.

58:46SPEAKER- That's pretty neat.

58:47SPEAKER- And it also works.

58:48SPEAKERIt doesn't just work with Apple stuff

58:50SPEAKERlike Apple stuff traditionally does.

58:52SPEAKERIf you have, like, my Plex server has a bunch

58:54SPEAKERof movies that are ripped with 5.1 audio, they all play.

58:58SPEAKERSo, you know, Netflix and HBO and all that stuff works.

59:01SPEAKERIt's very cool.

59:02SPEAKER- That's awesome.

59:03SPEAKERThat's cool.

59:04SPEAKERI might have to take a look

59:05SPEAKERat the next version of AirPods that come out.

59:07SPEAKER- It's important to say these are the pros

59:08SPEAKERand I think the threes maybe get spatial audio too

59:11SPEAKERbut not the twos in the originals.

59:12SPEAKER- Okay.

59:13SPEAKERSo kind of a tangent here, but I've been thinking

59:17SPEAKERabout noise canceling headphones again

59:18SPEAKERnow that I'm back to having to travel some.

59:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:21SPEAKER- 'Cause I've been like a staunch, like I cannot fly

59:23SPEAKERwithout noise canceling headphones for like 10 years or more.

59:27SPEAKERAnd I did not realize until I started looking around

59:30SPEAKERhow much the AirPod and AirPod like category

59:33SPEAKERhas like subsumed the old noise canceling headphone market.

59:36SPEAKERLike that's what there is now.

59:37SPEAKERYou know, like back in the day, it was like,

59:38SPEAKERoh, there was the Bose QuietComfort.

59:40SPEAKERThere was like, it was a whole separate category

59:42SPEAKERof product for noise canceling for travelers.

59:45SPEAKER- But it's just built into everything at the high end now.

59:47SPEAKER- That's what I'm saying.

59:48SPEAKERIt was like, yeah, now noise canceling is just a thing

59:49SPEAKERin like all these things that most people just buy

59:51SPEAKERto like wear around the city and stuff.

59:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:54SPEAKERWell, and the real benefit of the noise canceling

59:57SPEAKERis that I listen to stuff at a much lower volume than I do.

1:00:02SPEAKERLike the volume that I listen to stuff on the AirPods Pro

1:00:06SPEAKERversus the volume I listen to stuff

1:00:07SPEAKERon the AirPods is incredible.

1:00:09SPEAKERLike it's so much lower now.

1:00:12SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:00:12SPEAKER- Because it filters out a lot of the background noise.

1:00:15SPEAKERWe just have a couple of minutes left.

1:00:16SPEAKERWe're running a little bit late here.

1:00:18SPEAKERI want to talk about the watch a little bit

1:00:20SPEAKER'cause I got a watch for Christmas.

1:00:22SPEAKERIt's such a weird, like if you'd asked me two months ago

1:00:26SPEAKERhow I felt about it, I would probably tell you it's not.

1:00:28SPEAKERIt's just like, it's a thing that's designed

1:00:31SPEAKERto make me feel good, but really do nothing.

1:00:34SPEAKERIt's kind of a part cybernag, part nanny, part cheerleader.

1:00:39SPEAKERIt's pretty useful in retrospect.

1:00:41SPEAKERLike having used it more,

1:00:43SPEAKERI've started doing some of the things it tells you to do.

1:00:45SPEAKERLike for example, at the start of the day

1:00:48SPEAKERand at the end of the day,

1:00:49SPEAKERand anytime it notices your heart rate goes up

1:00:51SPEAKERbut you're not really moving,

1:00:52SPEAKERit's like, hey man, you could take a minute and meditate

1:00:55SPEAKERand you'll feel better.

1:00:57SPEAKER- Wow, that's oddly specific.

1:00:59SPEAKER- Man, I've started doing it.

1:01:00SPEAKERI feel better.

1:01:01SPEAKERIt makes me feel like I do a minute of deep breathing.

1:01:03SPEAKERI'm like, you know what?

1:01:04SPEAKERI do feel better.

1:01:05SPEAKER- Everybody should meditate.

1:01:06SPEAKERIt's hugely effective.

1:01:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:09SPEAKER- Wow, can you turn all that stuff off?

1:01:10SPEAKERLike, I'm not saying you should, but I do think--

1:01:11SPEAKER- You can turn everything off.

1:01:12SPEAKER- Oh, they do give you the option.

1:01:14SPEAKER- So yeah, 'cause there are definitely

1:01:15SPEAKERsome like bad notifications that are annoying.

1:01:18SPEAKERLike there's, if you're in someplace that the volume of the,

1:01:23SPEAKERthis is just to be clear, this is on the Apple Watch 7.

1:01:25SPEAKERI haven't tried any of the other ones.

1:01:27SPEAKERIf you're in a room that's too loud,

1:01:29SPEAKERit'll pop a notification and be like,

1:01:31SPEAKERhey, if you stay here for more than like 30 minutes,

1:01:33SPEAKERyou risk permanent hearing damage.

1:01:35SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:36SPEAKER- That's incredible.

1:01:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:38SPEAKER- Yeah, my God.

1:01:39SPEAKER- If you're listening to music on your headphones too loud,

1:01:42SPEAKERit'll be like, hey man, you should turn it down.

1:01:45SPEAKERYou're gonna hurt yourself.

1:01:46SPEAKER- Did you actually make yours say, hey man?

1:01:48SPEAKER- No, it doesn't.

1:01:49SPEAKERYou can't customize that, unfortunately.

1:01:49SPEAKER- You can customize the personality of your watch

1:01:50SPEAKERthe way you can Siri?

1:01:51SPEAKER- No, that would be nice.

1:01:53SPEAKERWait, you can make Siri say, hey man?

1:01:55SPEAKER- I'm sorry, not the personality, but the, like the,

1:01:56SPEAKERyou can set like gender and accent and stuff for Siri.

1:01:59SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:02:00SPEAKER- It can give you a bunch of options for--

1:02:00SPEAKER- You know, you can't, I can't, I, look, if I could get,

1:02:03SPEAKERif I could get my, if I get my Apple Watch to be Brody

1:02:06SPEAKERfrom the 1988 point break, yes, I would do that.

1:02:09SPEAKERHey, bro.

1:02:10SPEAKER- Apple Watch into a like chill surfer bro.

1:02:13SPEAKER- You're jacking your ears.

1:02:14SPEAKERYou should turn it down.

1:02:17SPEAKERThe exercise rings are nice 'cause like at the end of the

1:02:19SPEAKERday, it prompts you and is like, hey, I noticed you haven't

1:02:23SPEAKERdone anything today.

1:02:24SPEAKERIf you went for a walk, you'd fill your ring

1:02:26SPEAKERand you'd feel better.

1:02:26SPEAKER- Yeah, my partner uses that on her very old Apple Watch.

1:02:29SPEAKERWe'll get to that, but like, yeah, the activity stuff

1:02:31SPEAKERseems incredibly useful.

1:02:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I wish that you could set it to do that prompt

1:02:35SPEAKERearlier 'cause it would hit me in the winter,

1:02:38SPEAKERin the winter time, it hits me during mountain lion,

1:02:40SPEAKERlike prime mountain lion hours, which is a real problem

1:02:42SPEAKERin my neighborhood right now.

1:02:44SPEAKER- Hey, bro, there are a lot of mountain lions around.

1:02:46SPEAKERYou might not want to go for a walk right now.

1:02:47SPEAKER- You know, they don't have a mountain lion warning

1:02:49SPEAKERright now, they should get that.

1:02:52SPEAKERI think the experience you're gonna have with this

1:02:55SPEAKERis dramatically different if you have,

1:02:56SPEAKERif you manage your notifications well, or if you don't,

1:02:59SPEAKERlike if your phone beeps 3000 times a day,

1:03:01SPEAKERthe watch is going to break you and make your mental health

1:03:04SPEAKERreally bad. - No, no.

1:03:06SPEAKER- And the other thing is the creepy Siri stuff,

1:03:09SPEAKERlike I don't know if you use that widget,

1:03:10SPEAKERthe new widget that's the Siri one that's like,

1:03:12SPEAKERhey, here's some stuff you like to do

1:03:13SPEAKERat this particular time of day.

1:03:15SPEAKER- No, I do not.

1:03:16SPEAKER- That one's so good, and it's, there's a watch face

1:03:18SPEAKERthat does that that I use during work,

1:03:20SPEAKER'cause it knows that like at 10 o'clock,

1:03:22SPEAKERI play test every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday,

1:03:24SPEAKERand like I often will listen to music in the afternoons

1:03:27SPEAKERon Tuesdays and Thursdays,

1:03:28SPEAKER'cause that's when I do writing stuff.

1:03:29SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:03:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:32SPEAKER- That's cool.

1:03:33SPEAKER- There are a pretty good number of bad notifications.

1:03:37SPEAKERThe hand washing thing is fucking stupid.

1:03:40SPEAKER- Okay.

1:03:40SPEAKER- When it detects you washing your hands,

1:03:42SPEAKERthis is one you have to turn on.

1:03:43SPEAKERThis is like they're working on this one still.

1:03:45SPEAKERWhen it detects you washing your hands by the microphone

1:03:48SPEAKERand the movement of your hands on your wrist,

1:03:51SPEAKERit's like, hey, you know, 20 seconds of hand washing

1:03:54SPEAKERis much better and much more effective

1:03:56SPEAKERthan anything less than that.

1:03:57SPEAKERAnd it has a countdown and it like beeps you on your wrist

1:04:00SPEAKERwhen it's done.

1:04:01SPEAKER- Hey, you should sing Happy Birthday twice

1:04:02SPEAKERbefore you finish washing your hands.

1:04:04SPEAKER- It's so annoying.

1:04:05SPEAKERI turn that one off almost immediately.

1:04:07SPEAKER- That is a bit like, I use this phrase somewhat flippantly,

1:04:11SPEAKERbut that is a bit nanny state watch.

1:04:13SPEAKER- It is, yes.

1:04:15SPEAKER- All this other stuff sounds rad,

1:04:16SPEAKERbut that seems like maybe a little bit much.

1:04:19SPEAKER- So like, just to be clear,

1:04:21SPEAKERa lot of the stuff sounds rad

1:04:22SPEAKERis still that quantitized life bullshit that is like,

1:04:25SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know if that's good for you or not.

1:04:27SPEAKERIt feels nice.

1:04:28SPEAKER- Sure, I mean, I will say the one thing is the meditation

1:04:31SPEAKERand the exercise stuff is something that I certainly,

1:04:34SPEAKERand I bet most people actually really

1:04:36SPEAKERshould be encouraged to do more.

1:04:38SPEAKER- Yeah, the meditation,

1:04:40SPEAKERlike when I get pissed off about something,

1:04:42SPEAKERthe meditation pops up after about five minutes like,

1:04:44SPEAKERhey, you should think about this.

1:04:46SPEAKERThis might be a good time to meditate.

1:04:47SPEAKER- I like, in all seriousness,

1:04:50SPEAKERlike I have to remind myself like as effective

1:04:52SPEAKERas I know it to be, like I often forget,

1:04:55SPEAKERor like if I'm already too annoyed or flustered or nervous,

1:04:59SPEAKERI don't think about doing it.

1:05:00SPEAKERLike having somebody, a third party say,

1:05:02SPEAKERhey, by the way, remember, do this.

1:05:03SPEAKERLike that's super helpful.

1:05:05SPEAKER- Well, and the way the meditation app works is it doesn't,

1:05:08SPEAKERyou can do it without having to have headphones on

1:05:10SPEAKERor anything 'cause it gives you the breathing cues

1:05:12SPEAKERin the Taptic sensor, which is really nice.

1:05:16SPEAKER- That's cool.

1:05:18SPEAKER- And it makes you do it faster than I do normally,

1:05:20SPEAKERwhich makes it like makes me feel better at the end, I think.

1:05:23SPEAKER- This is really interesting to hear.

1:05:24SPEAKERI know you got maybe a little more to touch on here,

1:05:26SPEAKERbut like I've wanted an Apple watch for years

1:05:29SPEAKERand when the Series 7 came out, I was like,

1:05:31SPEAKERoh, that looks like the one, I should get that.

1:05:33SPEAKERBut I was, we're deep in the throes of work from home.

1:05:35SPEAKERAnd I was like, well, I never leave the house.

1:05:37SPEAKERSo do I really need a watch?

1:05:38SPEAKERSo I skipped it.

1:05:39SPEAKERBut like, this is sounding like much more

1:05:40SPEAKERof a kind of lifestyle guide than just a watch

1:05:43SPEAKERthat I can see how it's still useful at home.

1:05:46SPEAKER- It's gross, I feel gross saying this,

1:05:48SPEAKERbut that's probably, that's a pretty good description, yeah.

1:05:51SPEAKERLike I mean, it's nice for the notifications

1:05:55SPEAKER'cause I'm less likely to miss the notifications

1:05:57SPEAKERthat are actually important.

1:05:58SPEAKERLike when Gina texts me, then I get a notification

1:06:01SPEAKERand it gives me a special bump on my wrist

1:06:02SPEAKERand I'm like, okay, yeah, I can ignore that one

1:06:05SPEAKERor that's important.

1:06:08SPEAKERThe responses and the voice recognition and stuff

1:06:10SPEAKERon that kind of stuff are good enough

1:06:11SPEAKERthat I bought the cellular model

1:06:13SPEAKERso that I can flip on cellular at some point

1:06:15SPEAKERwhen I do start leaving the house again.

1:06:17SPEAKERBut I haven't bothered to turn that on yet.

1:06:24SPEAKERJust generally speaking,

1:06:28SPEAKERthe battery life is good enough

1:06:29SPEAKERthat I don't worry about charging it every night.

1:06:30SPEAKERI charge it like, I don't know,

1:06:32SPEAKERevery day and a half or two days.

1:06:34SPEAKER- Big, I feel like.

1:06:35SPEAKERI feel like that's like a major milestone, right?

1:06:38SPEAKER'Cause you've always heard previously,

1:06:40SPEAKERlike the old models, it was like,

1:06:41SPEAKERoh, I can just barely get through my day

1:06:42SPEAKERand then I have to charge it when I get home.

1:06:43SPEAKERBut like a watch that can make it more than 24 hours

1:06:46SPEAKERfeels like a big step.

1:06:48SPEAKER- Well, so it doesn't make it more than 24 hours.

1:06:49SPEAKERIt makes it, it's probably good for 18,

1:06:52SPEAKERbut I also have the screen on the always on setting

1:06:54SPEAKERso it like never turns off.

1:06:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that is one of the big things

1:06:56SPEAKERthat really pushed me toward actually getting one

1:06:58SPEAKERwas the always on thing.

1:07:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that was the big one for me.

1:07:01SPEAKER- It was like an interesting sociological thing

1:07:03SPEAKERI read about the old one, which was that like to,

1:07:06SPEAKERyou really had to like flick your wrist.

1:07:08SPEAKERLike people interpret you looking at your wrist as like,

1:07:10SPEAKERoh, I am boring you.

1:07:12SPEAKERLike you would rather be somewhere else kind of thing.

1:07:14SPEAKER- Having had one of the series zeros,

1:07:15SPEAKERit made people feel bad when you would check your watch.

1:07:18SPEAKER- So yeah, so like having to do that motion

1:07:20SPEAKERjust to make the watch come on seemed pretty limiting.

1:07:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:24SPEAKER- So just having the always on face for that reason

1:07:25SPEAKERseems like a big deal.

1:07:26SPEAKER- It's a much more humane device.

1:07:29SPEAKERSo yeah, like I wear it to sleep.

1:07:34SPEAKERIt does the sleep tracking thing.

1:07:35SPEAKERSo it tells me when I fall asleep

1:07:36SPEAKERand how long I'm sleeping and all that,

1:07:38SPEAKERmy sleep is a nightmare.

1:07:39SPEAKERSo that's the thing I learned from that.

1:07:41SPEAKER- Do you know, is it just detecting tossing

1:07:43SPEAKERand turning motion stuff or could it read blood ox?

1:07:46SPEAKER- It reads blood ox.

1:07:47SPEAKER- It does, wow.

1:07:48SPEAKER- It tracks blood ox while you're sleeping.

1:07:49SPEAKERIt tracks your heart rate while you're sleeping.

1:07:51SPEAKER- Seems like all of those together might be enough

1:07:53SPEAKERto like detect like apnea and stuff like that.

1:07:55SPEAKERThey don't detect, they don't,

1:07:57SPEAKERI don't believe that they say they detect apnea.

1:07:59SPEAKER- That's probably a bridge too far for them.

1:08:01SPEAKERThere might even be like liability stuff there

1:08:02SPEAKERfor them to try to make those guesses.

1:08:04SPEAKER- Yeah, the medical, like the blood ox is interesting

1:08:06SPEAKERin the time of Rona when blood ox is a thing

1:08:08SPEAKERthat all of us are probably, who are concerned about stuff

1:08:11SPEAKERare using that as a first line of knowing,

1:08:14SPEAKERhey, how are you doing?

1:08:16SPEAKERThe ECG, I think is what it is.

1:08:20SPEAKERECG is the, will detect atrial fibrillations,

1:08:24SPEAKERbut that's it.

1:08:25SPEAKERIt doesn't do anything else.

1:08:26SPEAKERIt explicitly says, yo, we're not gonna detect heart attacks.

1:08:29SPEAKERYou should go to the doctor

1:08:30SPEAKERif you think you're having a heart attack.

1:08:33SPEAKERYou can unlock the phone with your watch on.

1:08:35SPEAKER- Huh.

1:08:36SPEAKER- Like the watch, like if you,

1:08:38SPEAKERI keep my phone in my left pocket.

1:08:40SPEAKERI use it in my left hand most of the time.

1:08:41SPEAKERMy watch is on my left hand.

1:08:42SPEAKERIf they're close enough to each other,

1:08:43SPEAKERthe phone will unlock the watch

1:08:45SPEAKERand the watch will unlock the phone

1:08:47SPEAKERif one or the other is unlocked.

1:08:50SPEAKERLike I said, I sleep with it on.

1:08:51SPEAKERThe sleep tracking stuff has been interesting.

1:08:54SPEAKERThe default Apple sleep tracking isn't that good.

1:08:56SPEAKERI ended up actually paying 20 bucks

1:08:57SPEAKERfor this other sleep tracking app

1:08:59SPEAKERthat does a little more involved stuff

1:09:02SPEAKERthat I think might be bullshit.

1:09:03SPEAKERI don't know.

1:09:04SPEAKERLike again, it's like weird quantitized life stuff.

1:09:09SPEAKERThe best thing that I've done is I set up shortcuts

1:09:11SPEAKERto turn app pages on the phone on and off.

1:09:14SPEAKERAnd it also switches the app faces based on my work schedule.

1:09:18SPEAKERSo like at 10 o'clock, I get my work watch face on

1:09:20SPEAKERwith all the calendar shit.

1:09:22SPEAKERAnd then at five o'clock that turns off

1:09:23SPEAKERand it's just a normal like,

1:09:25SPEAKERhey, here's some numbers and some stuff like that.

1:09:27SPEAKER- Man, that's cool.

1:09:28SPEAKER- And you can do third party complications.

1:09:30SPEAKERSo I have an internet time, Swatch internet time.

1:09:33SPEAKERI always know how many beats it is.

1:09:35SPEAKER- I bet brainstorming new features

1:09:37SPEAKERfor this thing is a lot of fun.

1:09:39SPEAKER- It's 727 beats right now.

1:09:41SPEAKER- Good to know, good to know.

1:09:43SPEAKER- And also like the integration stuff like the Apple TV,

1:09:46SPEAKERwhen you're watching something on the Apple TV,

1:09:48SPEAKERthe remote's on your watch

1:09:49SPEAKERand you don't have to grab your phone, whatever.

1:09:50SPEAKERIt's all good. - That's very cool.

1:09:52SPEAKER- So I guess that's it for us today.

1:09:53SPEAKER- Yeah, this is just a grab bag of,

1:09:55SPEAKERI mean, I promise we use things that are not Apple as well.

1:09:58SPEAKER- But we haven't talked about it in a long time.

1:10:00SPEAKERAnd there was a new stuff that is interesting.

1:10:03SPEAKERAnd I wanted to use the watch

1:10:06SPEAKERand the AirPods and stuff for a while.

1:10:09SPEAKER'Cause they integrate in your life

1:10:11SPEAKERin weird and non-obvious ways.

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