00:00SPEAKERWhat people listening don't know, except now they're about to, because I'm going to tell them is that this is the third attempt we have made at a cold open.
00:06SPEAKERYes. We had some technical difficulties.
00:10SPEAKERThat might be part of it, but I think the bigger part, you floated the possibility as we get into the episode this week, it'll become clear why if people hadn't figured it out already.
00:20SPEAKERYou're talking about my, my, my situation?
00:23SPEAKERYour situation might bring a new influx of listeners to this podcast, and as soon as you suggested that possibility, I got super nervous. And so now.
00:31SPEAKERI think you maybe have more anxiety about my situation than I have about my situation at this point.
00:36SPEAKERWell, I would imagine you're pretty numb to it by now.
00:38SPEAKERYeah, I don't really feel anything right now.
00:40SPEAKEROf any kind, for any reason.
00:42SPEAKERI had a real nice bowl of ice cream the other night. That was good.
00:45SPEAKERThat's life on the internet these days, baby. All right, I'm going to, I'm taking half his annex right now so we can get through this podcast.
00:50SPEAKEROh no. He actually is, I thought this was a bit.
00:56SPEAKERNope. Oh hey, that's the thing, when you podcast constantly, you figure out that all of life is a bit.
01:02SPEAKEROh no, that's, that's the grimace thing of all. Hey, I got a question for you.
01:07SPEAKEROkay.
01:08SPEAKERWhat's your controller of choice for video games?
01:10SPEAKERWait.
01:11SPEAKEROn PCs?
01:12SPEAKERWait, dude, we did that episode like last fall.
01:14SPEAKEROh yeah, we did rank them, didn't we?
01:16SPEAKERWe did. You're going to have to be more specific than that.
01:19SPEAKEROkay. So when you're playing, for example, a, let's say a PlayStation one game on your Mr, a FPGA based hardware emulation of old consoles platform.
01:31SPEAKERThat Mr.
01:32SPEAKERAre you going to plug in like an old dual shock or dual stick, I don't even know what the first one was called on the PlayStation.
01:39SPEAKEROr are you going to just use like a dual sense, dual shock four and call it a day?
01:43SPEAKERAs a matter of fact, is my controller of choice generally for the Mr for all things. So I'm going to stick with that.
01:49SPEAKERWait, what? You play like SNES games on a dual, dual shock four?
01:52SPEAKERDude. Yeah. Like it's literally got this, like that is in fact, why I, the super Nintendo is the main reason that I chose the dual shock four because.
01:59SPEAKEROh man, I haven't.
02:00SPEAKERLike it's got, it's got the same two by two face buttons and like the same two shoulder buttons, the same start and select, like subtracting the parts that were not on the SNES controller.
02:09SPEAKERYeah.
02:10SPEAKERThe layout is identical to a SNES controller.
02:11SPEAKEROkay. So what about, what about Genesis games?
02:14SPEAKERIt gets a little bit sticky.
02:16SPEAKEROkay.
02:17SPEAKERI tend to go for the, the street fighter two style of mapping there.
02:21SPEAKERWhere it's like a square X triangle or square X circle.
02:26SPEAKERYes. Well, no, so we'll also, it'll, my God, now I'm getting confused. It'll be like light and medium punch on the face buttons, the heavy on one of the bumpers.
02:34SPEAKEROh, you're playing fighting games.
02:35SPEAKERWell, I mean, for a six button situation.
02:38SPEAKEROkay.
02:39SPEAKERHow about you?
02:40SPEAKERI bought an, I am eight bit or an eight bit dough, a SNES C 30 and a, and a Genesis pad.
02:48SPEAKERYeah. One of those, I have one of those, but I have the, I have the Japanese color scheme instead of the American color scheme.
02:53SPEAKERSuper Famicom color scheme.
02:54SPEAKERYeah.
02:55SPEAKEREndlessly superior to the American.
02:57SPEAKERLiterally in every way.
02:59SPEAKERIt's so good.
03:00SPEAKERBut I don't, I haven't plugged any modern game pads into my, into my mister. I don't think I've only done those eight bit dough ones.
03:08SPEAKEROh, wow. Like anything works, like any, any kind of generic hid USB controller pretty much rings up at this point.
03:15SPEAKERSo I got a fancy steering wheel that has like direct drive motors and all that for some other stuff a few months ago.
03:21SPEAKEROh no.
03:22SPEAKERAnd I want to plug in like the old, I wanted to plug in like, you know, cruising and, and the, like the, you know, there was the golden era of PC, of arcade racers that I feel like I get into.
03:33SPEAKERI think I'm even probably set up to do Hydro Thunder, although I don't have a throttle. I just have a pedal. I just have pedals.
03:38SPEAKERNone of those are on the mister.
03:40SPEAKERWell, those wouldn't be on the mister.
03:41SPEAKERThere are, there are, you know, MAME exists.
03:44SPEAKEROutrun is on, is on the mister, I think, right? Maybe not.
03:49SPEAKERIn the arcade version?
03:51SPEAKERYeah.
03:52SPEAKERActually, I mean, not to turn this into mister hour, it didn't, Hotego just put out a bunch of system 16 games. Is that one of those? That's a Sega platform.
03:58SPEAKERSo, so this is, this is, this is one of those places where I have massive gaps in knowing what is what, because like for me, kind of in my head, all our, I realize that this is not the case, but for me, a lot of arcade games are just arcade games and they're grouped by the place that I played them.
04:14SPEAKEROkay. So like, these are, these are bowling alley games. This is a Pizza Hut game.
04:19SPEAKERThis is mister, yeah, Spy Hunter is always mister Gaddy's.
04:22SPEAKEROh, of course. Yes.
04:23SPEAKERStar Wars arcade, the vector Star Wars arcade game was at the public swimming pool.
04:27SPEAKERWell, no, our public swimming pool was Frogger actually.
04:30SPEAKEROh, you had Frogger?
04:31SPEAKERWe had Frogger and mister Dew, I believe.
04:32SPEAKERWait, did you, did you play, did you play the Frogger at the, at the swimming pool? Did you get, did you get zapped constantly?
04:39SPEAKERYeah. The cool thing was you, you had to, you had to make sure you were real dry. And also if there was a puddle in front of the machine, when you were playing it, you would get the shit shocked out of you. Yes.
04:51SPEAKERLook, such was my need to play that vector Star Wars game.
04:55SPEAKERLook, man, I would, I would, yeah, I would take a lot of hits to get four, to get four flies in Frogger. The, the, for me, Frogger is a game that is best experienced.
05:03SPEAKERYou remember those lollipops, those chalky ones that were like orange on the bottom and green on the top. And they had a, the, the stick had a, it was hard plastic, but it had a hole through it.
05:12SPEAKERThat's the ultimate sucking air through the, through the, through that straw through the lollipop while you're playing Frogger was, is, is like the ultimate mid June experience for me as a child.
05:24SPEAKERCheap lollipops, bad arcade machines and electrocution.
05:28SPEAKEROh yeah.
05:29SPEAKERNow that's summer.
05:30SPEAKERZap me baby.
05:54SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot. I'm Will.
05:58SPEAKERI'm Brad. Hello.
05:59SPEAKERHello. Hi. Hello. Hi. Hi. Hello.
06:01SPEAKERHello.
06:02SPEAKERWhat are we going to talk about today? Anything interesting happen with you this weekend?
06:04SPEAKERNot really. I'm, I'm monitoring myself now. I can actually hear myself talk in this podcast.
06:10SPEAKERIsn't that nice?
06:11SPEAKERYeah. For the first time in forever.
06:13SPEAKERIt means that you'll do less of the thing where you talk away from the microphone because your brain just automatically makes you stay in the right spot when you're talking.
06:19SPEAKERIf you can hear yourself. Right. But also I got the fancy microphone with the variable D so I can actually talk like this and I can keep talking like this and it minimizes the proximity effect.
06:28SPEAKERI'm not going to say it completely.
06:29SPEAKERThey tell you that, but it's a lie because I can still hear you get softer and louder.
06:33SPEAKERHey man, I said minimize. Minimize does not mean eliminate.
06:36SPEAKEROh no, I'm trying to, okay.
06:38SPEAKERLook, don't play God over there, man.
06:40SPEAKEROkay. I'm sorry. I completely glossed over your setup.
06:43SPEAKERYou threw me an underhand lob and I whiffed it. Nothing interesting happened to me this weekend, Will. How about you?
06:49SPEAKERYeah, you know, just hanging out, played some video games, did some stuff with my daughter, worked on a puzzle, watched the Academy Awards on Sunday night, you know, normal weekend.
06:58SPEAKERI did too, right up until about 7.25 ish or so when I was like, ah, this is fine. I haven't seen any of these movies.
07:05SPEAKERI think I've gotten my fill of the Oscars for another year and turned it off.
07:15SPEAKERYeah, that's one way to handle it. I watched on and got to a point where there was a joke. Chris Rock came on and told a joke about Will Smith's, Jada Pinkett Smith, and then Will Smith walked up on stage and slapped him in the face.
07:28SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, this is going to be bad because my name on Twitter, because I've been on Twitter since January of 2007 when I was on a panel with one of the Twitter co-founders at the conference.
07:40SPEAKERWhich one?
07:41SPEAKEREv Williams.
07:42SPEAKEREvan. Okay. Was it him?
07:45SPEAKERIt was at South by.
07:46SPEAKERWait, the bourbon guy?
07:47SPEAKERNo, he's just named. Look, we had this conversation. We actually had, we literally had this conversation then because he was like, Will Smith, oh yeah, I bet you get as much grief about your name as I do.
07:55SPEAKERAnd I was like, I bet he too gets that a lot.
07:59SPEAKERYeah. So I've been on Twitter for a very long time and I signed, when I signed up, I made my name Will Smith because you know, that's what you did if it was available.
08:09SPEAKERRight. And now, hang on, before we get too deep in.
08:12SPEAKERYeah.
08:13SPEAKERFirst I'm going to pull up his IMDb page.
08:15SPEAKEREvan Williams?
08:17SPEAKERYes, I'm sure it's a storied filmography. Also, while we're on the subject of Twitter founders, Biz Stone.
08:26SPEAKERI, yeah.
08:28SPEAKERI know it's not his real name. Like, is it the most effective power move in internet startup world or is it like way over the line to call yourself Biz?
08:38SPEAKERIt seems very much, I don't know. There was a period of time in the early internet that I think was probably a result of Neal Stephenson and William Gibson where people would have like weird names or like their handles would have a number in it that didn't make the sound.
08:53SPEAKERLike it wasn't like a three for an E or something like that. It would be like, your name would be David, but the V would be a five, right?
08:59SPEAKERRight.
09:00SPEAKERI feel like Biz Stone is an offshoot of that in the early internet startup days.
09:04SPEAKERSure. I could see that.
09:05SPEAKERYeah.
09:06SPEAKERHe seems like a nice enough guy.
09:07SPEAKEROh, sure. I'm not trying, I don't know the man at all. I just, hello, I am Biz Stone.
09:13SPEAKERYes. I don't think, yeah. Anyway.
09:15SPEAKERAnyway, the thing I was going to ask you is like, okay, January, you said 2007?
09:19SPEAKERJanuary of 2007.
09:21SPEAKERLike when you made that account, did it ever enter your mind at the moment you were picking a username that the actor, like the existence of the actor with the same name would ever, that this choice would ever come back to haunt you or meaningfully affect your life in any way?
09:35SPEAKERSo at that point in 2007, the idea that anyone of any importance that wasn't an enormous nerd would ever care about anything that happened on the internet was still a little bit novel.
09:45SPEAKERGod, that's-
09:46SPEAKERRight? Like-
09:47SPEAKERMan, that is the grimest thing. I mean, you said the thing, my thing about everything is a bit was grim. You just said it's 10 times worse.
09:56SPEAKERI mean, I wrote a column about, in Maximum PC, because that's where I was at that time, about how Twitter was democratizing communication in a way that was wonderful and gave everybody access to talking to everybody else. It gave everybody a platform. I was like, at the time, I thought that was a good thing.
10:13SPEAKERBoy, that was hopelessly optimistic.
10:15SPEAKERI mean, look, we all have learned a lot in the intervening 15 years.
10:20SPEAKERYeah.
10:21SPEAKERSo anyway, Will Smith walked up on the stage, and I thought it was a bit. I thought this was like an Academy Award skit, right, when he walked up and smacked Chris Rock in the face.
10:31SPEAKERMm-hmm.
10:32SPEAKERAnd then the audio on the telecast in the US went dead, but the video was still going. And I was like, "This might not be a bit." And I looked over at my wife and I was like, "Do you think this is a bit?" And she's like, "No, this isn't a bit." And I was like, "I don't think it's a bit either."
10:47SPEAKERAnd so, you know, over the years, I've developed a finely-honed instinct about when you need to be fast on the Twitters.
10:55SPEAKERMm-hmm.
10:56SPEAKERYou know, if you're in California and you feel an earthquake, the first thing you want to do, you want to be the first person that posts that you felt the earthquake in your feed.
11:06SPEAKEREarthquake.
11:07SPEAKERYeah, so you just jam it out, get on there, because as I'm laying there dying in the pile of rubble, I don't want to think, "Oh, man, I wish I had let everyone know that there was an earthquake."
11:17SPEAKERRight.
11:18SPEAKERYeah.
11:19SPEAKERYou want the algorithmic uplift.
11:21SPEAKERYeah, you want to be the one who was on the cutting edge of earthquake tweeting.
11:26SPEAKERBecause in the final analysis, the algorithms are the only thing you can take with you.
11:31SPEAKERYeah.
11:32SPEAKERSo at 7.35, I tweeted, "Welp."
11:34SPEAKERPeriod.
11:35SPEAKERUh-huh.
11:36SPEAKERAnd then it became clear that this was going to be a topic of much conversation on the internet.
11:45SPEAKERSo two minutes later, I said, "I'm sorry if you're offended."
11:50SPEAKERSo that one threw me for a loop a little bit.
11:52SPEAKERI was like, "Is that a knowing joke?
11:54SPEAKERIs that supposed to be ironic?
11:56SPEAKERLike, were you spoofing the bad apology?"
11:59SPEAKERI'm sorry if you're offended is the bad apology, right?
12:02SPEAKERRight.
12:03SPEAKERI have nothing to apologize for.
12:05SPEAKERSo I mean, this is how brain poisoned Twitter, the internet, social media has made us.
12:11SPEAKERI was trying to sit there and peel back layers of, "Okay, is he tweeting that knowing that
12:15SPEAKERa bajillion people are going to confuse his account for the actor Will Smith?
12:18SPEAKERAnd does he want people to think that the actor Will Smith said, 'I'm sorry if you're offended?'"
12:22SPEAKERI thought it worked on multiple levels, to be honest.
12:24SPEAKEROkay, right.
12:25SPEAKERYes, okay.
12:26SPEAKERI thought it was a good joke for the people who knew who I am and knew whose Twitter account
12:31SPEAKERit was.
12:32SPEAKERYes.
12:33SPEAKERI assumed it would probably rile up the presumably handful of people at that point who would
12:39SPEAKERhave seen the tweet.
12:42SPEAKERThen the Oscars, let's see, about, I don't know, 12 minutes after that at 7.49 PM Pacific,
12:52SPEAKERthey ran what I would describe as a really wildly inappropriate upbeat version of Spirit
12:57SPEAKERin the Sky, sung by a very talented choir of people over top of the in memoriam segment.
13:02SPEAKERBoy.
13:03SPEAKERWhich is a choice.
13:06SPEAKERI tweeted, "Hopefully all anyone remembers at the end of the show is this inappropriately
13:10SPEAKERupbeat in memoriam segment."
13:13SPEAKERReally pleased with that one.
13:14SPEAKERI'm going to say.
13:15SPEAKERBad news for you.
13:16SPEAKERBad.
13:17SPEAKERThat was speaking of things that were hopelessly optimistic.
13:18SPEAKERYeah.
13:19SPEAKERWell, a few minutes after that, I was like, "What is it?
13:22SPEAKERWhen people make a mistake and then they continue to amplify that mistake, what do they do?
13:26SPEAKEROh, they tweet through it."
13:27SPEAKERI tweeted at 7.52, "Going to keep tweeting through it."
13:31SPEAKEROkay.
13:32SPEAKERIt wasn't your mistake necessarily.
13:34SPEAKERYeah, but at this point, the bit is strong.
13:38SPEAKERI mean, I'm sure.
13:39SPEAKERMy followers, people who know me are enjoying this a lot.
13:41SPEAKERLike, this is fun for them.
13:43SPEAKERYes.
13:44SPEAKERI was like, "Let's make this, we'll have a good time with this."
13:45SPEAKERIt's harmless, I thought.
13:47SPEAKERSpeaking of all life being a bit, sometimes you can turn your suffering into a fun time
13:50SPEAKERfor everyone.
13:51SPEAKERLook, when I picked up the phone and tweeted, "Welp," I set myself on a course to shitpost
13:58SPEAKERmy way through the Oscars kerfuffle.
14:02SPEAKEROnce you get on, you can't stop.
14:04SPEAKERThen somebody tweeted at me, "Everybody hates Chris," which was the name of Chris Rock's
14:08SPEAKERshow from the early 2000s.
14:11SPEAKERI remember enjoying it at the time.
14:13SPEAKERI retweeted that.
14:14SPEAKERThen Will Smith won the Academy Award for Best Actor.
14:17SPEAKERYeah.
14:18SPEAKERAt, I don't know, 8.16.
14:22SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, this is going to be bad now."
14:24SPEAKERI tweeted, "Oh, shit."
14:25SPEAKEROh, yes.
14:26SPEAKER8.16.
14:27SPEAKERYes, yes.
14:28SPEAKERYou mean the moment that you tweeted, "Oh, shit."
14:30SPEAKERYeah.
14:31SPEAKERThen about, I don't know, five minutes after that, oh no, 30 minutes after that, I actually
14:36SPEAKERhad to go tuck in my daughter.
14:38SPEAKERI was off the internet for a little bit.
14:40SPEAKERI came back.
14:41SPEAKERAt that point, it became clear that there was going to be a problem because I was getting,
14:45SPEAKERI don't know, dozens of messages a minute by this point, probably, just from random
14:52SPEAKERpeople who were either upset or happy with Will Smith.
14:56SPEAKERSo I said, "Real talk, I'm not the person you're upset/happy with.
14:59SPEAKERI make podcasts and video games for a living.
15:01SPEAKERAt the risk of making people pissed off at me instead of that other guy, the world would
15:04SPEAKERbe a better place if we stopped answering words with violence."
15:07SPEAKERAlso, probably a mistake to add that at the end, but I felt like I had to make my point
15:11SPEAKERon punching people who aren't Nazis clear.
15:13SPEAKERNever want to weigh in.
15:15SPEAKERSo, yeah.
15:16SPEAKERListen, I think, I do not have personal experience here, but I think part of tweeting through
15:21SPEAKERit is explicitly not tweeting about it.
15:24SPEAKERDo you think?
15:26SPEAKERI think to successfully tweet through it, you have to talk about anything but it.
15:30SPEAKEROh, I feel like to tweet through it.
15:32SPEAKERI feel like an important component of tweeting through it is to continue to say why the thing
15:37SPEAKERthat you did that was wrong was not wrong.
15:40SPEAKERI think you kind of got to lean in in a way that is-
15:43SPEAKERThat's a valid strategy.
15:45SPEAKERYeah.
15:46SPEAKERIt's not a good strategy.
15:47SPEAKERPeople should, if you ever find yourself in a position where you've made a life choice
15:50SPEAKERthat may result in you going massively viral, trying to defend yourself probably isn't the
15:54SPEAKERright choice.
15:55SPEAKERYou know who seemed to pull that off that comes to mind?
15:58SPEAKERThe wife snow shoveling guy.
16:00SPEAKERRemember that?
16:01SPEAKERNo.
16:02SPEAKERA few months ago.
16:03SPEAKERI missed that one.
16:04SPEAKERThe guy that posted a photo of his wife saying like, "Oh, my wife is a nurse who just worked
16:07SPEAKERin overnight and now she's out there shoveling the driveway."
16:09SPEAKERWhat a champ or something.
16:11SPEAKERIt did not go well for him.
16:13SPEAKERI can't imagine that that would be very popular as a result of his choices there.
16:17SPEAKERHe did defend himself explicitly.
16:20SPEAKERHis wife, yeah.
16:21SPEAKERI'm guessing he had his wife post to Facebook about why it wasn't a big deal.
16:25SPEAKERHe seems to have gotten through it, but I think he was a politician, so there was some-
16:30SPEAKERWell, okay.
16:31SPEAKERAt nine o'clock that night, by nine o'clock that night, I had took a screenshot and the
16:36SPEAKERoriginal whelp tweet had 132,000 likes, 4,000 comments, and 20,000 retweets, which is like
16:44SPEAKERjust, if you're a scientist of the ratios on Twitter, that's a bad ratio.
16:48SPEAKERYou don't want to have that many replies to that many likes.
16:51SPEAKERIt means that you've made something, you've made a mistake.
16:55SPEAKERI think we've both had stuff that's gone a little bit viral before.
17:00SPEAKERSure.
17:01SPEAKERBut that whelp tweet was, according to a couple of bots that tweet the most liked and retweeted
17:06SPEAKERthings, the most retweets of any tweet on March 29th, 2022.
17:11SPEAKERA whole day, huh?
17:12SPEAKERA whole day.
17:13SPEAKERA whole day.
17:14SPEAKERAnd you only have, what, the last four-ish, four and a half hours?
17:16SPEAKERNo, no, the 29th was the next day.
17:18SPEAKEROh, was it?
17:19SPEAKERSo it didn't get bad until the next morning, is the takeaway.
17:22SPEAKERAt nine o'clock, 10 o'clock that night, it was 132,000 likes.
17:25SPEAKERWhen I woke up the next morning, it was 400,000 likes, I think.
17:31SPEAKERThe morning after that, four hours later, it was 600,000 or something like that.
17:37SPEAKERIt was accelerating through noon the next day.
17:40SPEAKERAnd I'm going to go and tell you, people are pretty upset.
17:44SPEAKERYeah.
17:45SPEAKERI don't see it.
17:48SPEAKERThe weird thing that I didn't expect, having never been through this before, is that, well,
17:56SPEAKERokay, there were the people that were upset with Will Smith.
17:59SPEAKERThere were the people that were upset with Chris Rock.
18:01SPEAKEROkay.
18:02SPEAKERThere were pretty good contingent of people who weren't sure who they were upset with,
18:06SPEAKERbut they were pretty sure they were upset at somebody.
18:09SPEAKEROkay.
18:10SPEAKERThere were people who were definitely upset at both Chris Rock and Will Smith, because
18:18SPEAKERlike, you know, why not?
18:21SPEAKERAnd then there were the people who realized that somebody else could have the name Will
18:28SPEAKERSmith to, just to be clear, one of the most common last names in the United States, one
18:34SPEAKERof the most common first names for a man in the United States.
18:38SPEAKERYes.
18:39SPEAKERPut together, there's like, I know a good half dozen Will Smiths that are semi-famous
18:44SPEAKERto famous, right?
18:45SPEAKERNot to mention like opening the phone book in any given state city and seeing, you know,
18:51SPEAKERanywhere from a half dozen to 20 Will Smiths.
18:54SPEAKERThere are a lot of people upset with me for having my name.
18:59SPEAKEROh, wait.
19:00SPEAKEROkay.
19:01SPEAKERThat might be over the line.
19:02SPEAKERWell, the only other is like, maybe have a case.
19:05SPEAKERLook, why is this not famous asshole, direct quote, by the way?
19:10SPEAKERWhy is he verified on Twitter for being Will Smith?
19:12SPEAKERIt's because you've refused to give over the account, right?
19:14SPEAKERAnd I mean, we're talking out of order here.
19:15SPEAKERWe should roll the, after you're done with the setup, we should walk through the timeline.
19:19SPEAKERI mean, I didn't refuse to give up the account.
19:22SPEAKERI just signed up for the account, you know, dibs, yo.
19:25SPEAKERDidn't they approach you at some point?
19:28SPEAKERThey asked for my Instagram account.
19:29SPEAKERThey meaning his people?
19:30SPEAKERHis people asked for my Instagram account years ago.
19:32SPEAKEROh, not, but not the Twitter account?
19:34SPEAKERI mean, we've talked about the Twitter account off and on, but I'm attached to the Twitter
19:37SPEAKERaccount and they haven't really, they haven't engaged.
19:39SPEAKERI see.
19:40SPEAKEROkay.
19:41SPEAKERBut, but yeah, no, I didn't use Instagram and they asked for my Instagram account.
19:43SPEAKERI was like, you can have my Instagram account.
19:45SPEAKERSo you're welcome.
19:46SPEAKEREverybody who follows Will Smith on Instagram, that's because of me.
19:51SPEAKERWe could go on and on about the categories of people who are upset.
19:53SPEAKERThere are definitely people who I identify with, to be fair, who are upset about the
19:58SPEAKERentire thing, continuing to take on this life that it has and just wish everybody would
20:03SPEAKERshut up about it.
20:04SPEAKERRight there with you.
20:05SPEAKERI can say Daniel Radcliffe has joined those ranks.
20:07SPEAKERHe's like, he seems okay.
20:09SPEAKERYeah.
20:10SPEAKERHe was like, he was like, I'm not going to weigh in on this when, when he was asked because
20:13SPEAKERhe was like, there are too many opinions about this out there already.
20:16SPEAKERBut look, there was a real great class of nuclear hot takes on Monday morning from people
20:22SPEAKERwho were like applying it to the war in Ukraine and stuff like that.
20:26SPEAKERThat was a, that was a hell of a take.
20:27SPEAKERWe can't even give that air.
20:29SPEAKERLike, come on.
20:31SPEAKERIt was, there were a lot of those.
20:33SPEAKERUh, there were, there were people, I mean, the interesting thing to me about this is
20:38SPEAKERthat often when this stuff happens, uh, when somebody goes massively viral for being a
20:43SPEAKERdipshit, um, the person who did the thing that is wrong and the person who was wronged
20:49SPEAKERare usually fairly obvious, uh, in the eyes of the public and the simplified eyes of the
20:54SPEAKERpublic.
20:55SPEAKERAnd on this one, they're like, there were legitimately a lot of people who were upset
20:57SPEAKERbecause they weren't sure who they should be pissed off at.
20:59SPEAKERLike that was, I was not expecting that when this all kind of went down.
21:03SPEAKERUm, anyway, okay.
21:06SPEAKERThe, the thing that I didn't really understand, cause like in the beginning of this, I just
21:10SPEAKERwas doing my normal shit posting with friends and like, you know, our mutuals of ours were
21:16SPEAKERreplying to me and we're like, this is a really funny post and I would like it and say something
21:20SPEAKERand then they would get dog piled two hours later by the hundreds of thousands of people
21:24SPEAKERcoming to this post looking for something to be angry about.
21:27SPEAKERSo that was unfortunate.
21:28SPEAKERI realized I had to not, I had to not reply to anybody on Twitter about 10 o'clock that
21:33SPEAKERnight, maybe 11, right, right, right.
21:34SPEAKERAs I was getting ready to go to bed.
21:36SPEAKERUm, it was, it was a weird, it was a weird day, but I went to bed at the end of that
21:42SPEAKERnight cause it had started to slow down as like the United States went to sleep and I
21:45SPEAKERwas like, oh, it's probably be all done tomorrow.
21:47SPEAKERNo problems.
21:48SPEAKERAnd then woke up in the morning and there were a lot of like, well, I hadn't taken my
21:52SPEAKERemail address off of my Twitter profile, my public facing one, which was a mistake.
21:56SPEAKERI had open DMS on still at that point.
21:59SPEAKERAlso a mistake, rookie mistakes.
22:02SPEAKERUm, and I woke up to a bunch of like New Zealand radio stations wanting interviews and, um,
22:08SPEAKERweird emails, including emails from people who are like, Hey, I clicked your email address
22:12SPEAKERin your Twitter profile.
22:13SPEAKERAnd then I didn't know how to close that window.
22:14SPEAKERSo I just sent you this message to get rid of it.
22:17SPEAKERLike I, so many of those, there's clearly a UI problem on one of the phone platforms.
22:22SPEAKERI don't know which one it is, but something to think about, uh, either, uh, Google or,
22:26SPEAKERor Apple.
22:27SPEAKERCould you ballpark how many interview requests you've gotten?
22:30SPEAKERProbably 50.
22:31SPEAKERWow.
22:32SPEAKERAnd like CNN reached out, although I did engage with them.
22:35SPEAKERCause I was like, yeah, I'll talk to CNN.
22:36SPEAKERThat'd be fun.
22:37SPEAKERAnd then they were like, no, we're, we're good.
22:39SPEAKERAfter they pitched in there in their meeting, they were like, are you interested?
22:41SPEAKERI was like, yeah, sure.
22:42SPEAKERI was like, they're like a little way too long.
22:44SPEAKERDid you wait too long?
22:46SPEAKERI replied within like an hour of her emailing me.
22:48SPEAKERShe was like, I'm going to pitch in our meeting tomorrow morning and see what, see what everybody
22:50SPEAKERthinks and it'll either go or not, but I'll let you know as soon as I find out.
22:53SPEAKERAnd I was like, okay, whatever harsh look, I'm fine.
22:57SPEAKERI literally know where you stand.
22:59SPEAKERYeah.
23:00SPEAKERAt that point I was literally like, like, I think this is going to be a good talk at
23:03SPEAKERa conference at some point, like as, at a, at an org camp or one of the other conferences
23:07SPEAKERI go to, like, it will be a fun way to like break the ice as a, as a unconference topic
23:13SPEAKERor something.
23:14SPEAKERUh, so like being able to close it with a clip from me talking about this stupid thing
23:18SPEAKERthat happened to me on CNN would be really funny, but it didn't happen.
23:21SPEAKERSo, so be it.
23:22SPEAKERThat's okay.
23:23SPEAKERUh, all right.
23:24SPEAKERWell, I can think of like eight different questions or directions to go with this from
23:28SPEAKERhere.
23:29SPEAKERThere was a lot of coverage.
23:30SPEAKERIt was in the New York post.
23:31SPEAKERYeah.
23:32SPEAKERIt was in, of course.
23:33SPEAKEROf course.
23:34SPEAKERYeah.
23:35SPEAKERAll the normal places.
23:36SPEAKERSo, okay.
23:37SPEAKERQuestion number one, as of late day on the 31st, which is Thursday.
23:43SPEAKERYeah.
23:44SPEAKER923.5 thousand likes.
23:45SPEAKERDo you expect a million?
23:46SPEAKERI'm a little bummed.
23:47SPEAKERI don't think we're going to hit a million.
23:48SPEAKERIt's slowed down a lot over the last two days.
23:50SPEAKERI feel like there's probably just some kind of runoff that just are like, I mean, you
23:54SPEAKERknow, does bot activity count to you?
23:56SPEAKERIs that legit?
23:57SPEAKERI don't have any way to distinguish bots from not bots at this point.
24:01SPEAKERHmm.
24:02SPEAKERIt's so it, it, it hit 900,000 on end of day, Monday or early Tuesday.
24:07SPEAKERAnd then it's been like 10 a day since then.
24:09SPEAKERSo it really has slowed down, but slowed down a lot.
24:11SPEAKERAgain, though with, with bot activity, I feel like you could get over the line maybe in
24:15SPEAKERanother week.
24:16SPEAKERLook, I could cheat and add another tweet about him being, cause like there's stories
24:20SPEAKERabout the Academy.
24:21SPEAKERThere's a bunch of stories about this that have followed on with like him being banned
24:24SPEAKERfrom the Academy or having some sort of sanction them asking him to leave during the show.
24:30SPEAKERBut then maybe also they didn't actually ask him to leave like I could, I could poke the
24:34SPEAKERpoke the, I could poke the fire a little bit and make this probably make it happen.
24:39SPEAKERBut also I don't, I don't need that.
24:40SPEAKERI think at this point I'm probably good.
24:42SPEAKERYou know, you kind of crested the wave, maybe just sort of chill on the beach now, I guess
24:47SPEAKERis the analogy.
24:48SPEAKERI'm, I'm perfectly happy to fade back into obscurity, relative obscurity at this point.
24:52SPEAKERIt has been a weird couple of days.
24:54SPEAKERFor sure.
24:55SPEAKEROkay.
24:56SPEAKERSome other, some other stuff I have noticed here.
24:57SPEAKERI don't know if this is common to everything on Twitter now, or if this got added because
25:00SPEAKERthis tweet blew up so much, this show hidden replies button.
25:04SPEAKEROh, so I don't know, like two years ago, they added the ability for posters to hide replies.
25:11SPEAKERSo I turn, I hid the replies from the people who were the most awful.
25:15SPEAKEROkay.
25:16SPEAKEROh wow.
25:17SPEAKERWell, I'm glad I clicked on it.
25:18SPEAKERIt turns out if there's, if there, look, there are a lot of racists that post shit on Twitter,
25:25SPEAKERBrad, like really, really like I, I described it to a friend as the, the, the kind of racist
25:32SPEAKERpost that came as a result of this range from, Oh, I have black friends to like shit that
25:39SPEAKERI didn't ever want to see.
25:41SPEAKERSo sure.
25:42SPEAKEROh, of course.
25:43SPEAKERDon't hit show hidden replies.
25:44SPEAKERI blocked a bunch of people too.
25:45SPEAKERYes.
25:46SPEAKERProbably don't.
25:47SPEAKERAlthough I will say some of the ones you hid are that, that weird rare category.
25:52SPEAKERYou mentioned of people who are actually mad at you, not the other Will Smith for having
25:56SPEAKERyour name.
25:57SPEAKEROh yeah.
25:58SPEAKERI hid those because it made, that made it less fun for the other people.
26:00SPEAKERThat's amazing.
26:01SPEAKERYeah.
26:02SPEAKERSo why do you have a blue check mark and using the same name?
26:04SPEAKERThere you go.
26:05SPEAKERA lot of times people would get hidden also.
26:09SPEAKERIf they just were really spammy.
26:11SPEAKERCause there's a lot of that too.
26:12SPEAKERLike they'll post like 15 replies all to the top level post and like, I just didn't want
26:16SPEAKERto see him anymore.
26:17SPEAKEROkay.
26:18SPEAKERI see.
26:19SPEAKERI see.
26:20SPEAKERI assume before I click on this, that these were algorithmically hidden, not manually
26:21SPEAKERby you.
26:22SPEAKERSome of them probably are also algorithmically hidden would be my guess.
26:25SPEAKERYeah.
26:26SPEAKERI also hid replies that were about, so another common thing that happens I've found over
26:31SPEAKERthe years is that people will make fake, they'll make fan pages for Twitter that don't explicitly
26:37SPEAKERcall out that they're fan pages because like Will Smith, part of this happens because Will
26:41SPEAKERSmith isn't actually on Twitter.
26:43SPEAKERAt all?
26:44SPEAKERNo.
26:45SPEAKEROh, I assumed he just had an account under a different name.
26:47SPEAKERHis kids and his wife are, but he is not.
26:49SPEAKERHe's all about the gram, huh?
26:50SPEAKERHe's on the gram.
26:51SPEAKERHe's on the snaps.
26:53SPEAKERI believe probably also Facebook, but I don't know.
26:55SPEAKERAnd maybe TikTok.
26:57SPEAKERDefinitely YouTube.
26:58SPEAKERBut yeah, so there was a Will Smith fan page that didn't say it was a fan page.
27:02SPEAKERDidn't say it was parody that had like 20,000 followers and they got banned like a day after
27:08SPEAKERthis all half a day after all this started.
27:10SPEAKERSo just, just because of attention runoff, I'm sure I see.
27:14SPEAKEROkay.
27:15SPEAKERAnother thing I noticed, I don't know if you caught this one.
27:17SPEAKERI believe you may have interacted with this guy before or you're at least definitely aware
27:21SPEAKERof him.
27:22SPEAKERMatt Gertz, the reporter with the handle Matt Gertz who is frequently mistaken for the lizard
27:31SPEAKERperson wearing a Congressman's suit, Matt Gates.
27:34SPEAKERYes.
27:35SPEAKERHe gets a lot of tweets about Matt Gates.
27:37SPEAKERHe does, but he quoted your wealth and said, you're handling it great, which I found to
27:42SPEAKERbe adorable because I am quite sure that you have been dealing with this issue before Matt
27:47SPEAKERGates was even in politics.
27:49SPEAKEROh, definitely.
27:50SPEAKERBut I think he like, just to be clear, his, his, he, the other Michael Cohen and the other
27:58SPEAKERGeorge Papadopoulos all cause like there's, there's a guy, Michael Cohen on Twitter is
28:03SPEAKERnot Trump's former lawyer.
28:05SPEAKERGeorge Papadopoulos on Twitter is not whatever George Papadopoulos was for Trump.
28:10SPEAKERThose guys definitely get it worse because the right wing people are lunatics and this
28:14SPEAKERwas just people who are like low, low key racist for the most part.
28:17SPEAKERYou're right.
28:18SPEAKERYes.
28:19SPEAKERYes.
28:20SPEAKEROn the, on the scale of odiousness, Matt Gates, like Will Smith, not even in the same galaxy.
28:24SPEAKERThere was, I think a daily show segment or maybe a Colbert segment they wanted to do
28:28SPEAKERwhen the Michael Cohen stuff was happening with Trump, where they brought in all the
28:32SPEAKERpeople with famous names on Twitter to do a segment, like a support group for Michael
28:36SPEAKERCohen.
28:39SPEAKERAnd we ended up not doing it because some other crisis happened in the Trump presidency
28:42SPEAKERthat that was more timely and interesting than flying a bunch of nerds to, to, to to
28:48SPEAKERNew York for the, for this, for this bit.
28:51SPEAKERI also shout out to John Jones, who's a game developer and makes really good ramen.
28:57SPEAKERAnd there's an MMA fighter who seems like a generally odious person who has the same
29:01SPEAKERname as him.
29:02SPEAKERSo I see.
29:03SPEAKERYeah.
29:04SPEAKERA lot of people with this problem.
29:05SPEAKERWe have, we have, we look, it is not an uncommon issue.
29:09SPEAKERI suppose not.
29:12SPEAKERLet's see.
29:13SPEAKERWhat else do we want to cover here on this whole subject?
29:15SPEAKEROh, here's a question I had for you.
29:19SPEAKERDid you consider yourself at any point, the main character of Twitter?
29:22SPEAKERDo we even still talk in those terms?
29:25SPEAKERI think Will Smith was probably the main character of Twitter, but I don't think I was the main
29:29SPEAKERcharacter of Twitter.
29:30SPEAKERI feel like one of the elements of that definition though, is somebody that almost nobody's ever
29:35SPEAKERheard of prior to the offending incident.
29:37SPEAKERWow.
29:38SPEAKERWell, I feel personally attacked.
29:41SPEAKERWell, I mean, I know, I know mostly a bystander here, but you know what I mean?
29:45SPEAKERLike it's the kind of like, who was the progenitor of this whole thing?
29:48SPEAKERWas it Justin Sacco?
29:49SPEAKERProbably it was the woman who got on the plane and made an unfortunate comment on the way
29:53SPEAKERto Africa.
29:54SPEAKERYes.
29:55SPEAKERAs I recall, South Africa, I think Justin Sacco rule of nobody knew who she was before
29:59SPEAKERthe thing happened.
30:00SPEAKERRight.
30:01SPEAKERSo like, like a decent number of people knew who you were and a bajillion people knew who
30:05SPEAKERother Will Smith was before any of this happened.
30:07SPEAKERSo I don't know if this is like, I don't know if this is main character territory or not.
30:11SPEAKERI mean, the look, the thing that ha so this has happened before, like this has happened
30:15SPEAKERa lot over the last 20 years, 15 years for me.
30:17SPEAKERRight.
30:18SPEAKERAnd they were shooting Men in Black two, I think in New York, Will Smith had a three
30:23SPEAKERstory trailer that would park wherever they were shooting on location on any given day.
30:27SPEAKERWait, is that structurally sound?
30:29SPEAKERLook, man, I don't, I'm not really three stories on wheels.
30:32SPEAKERI'm not an architect.
30:33SPEAKERI don't know.
30:34SPEAKERAll I know is that people in New York were pissed off all the time about the trailer
30:38SPEAKERand they let me know about it on the daily.
30:40SPEAKERLike it was a low, it wasn't like it wasn't big spikes like this, but it was pretty much
30:44SPEAKERevery day I would have a good half dozen people bitch about the trailer at my Twitter and
30:49SPEAKERbe like, you're an asshole for having this big a trailer block in my window.
30:54SPEAKERI, I, the, the other thing that I constantly get, this is why I, I empathize with the guy
31:01SPEAKERbecause like people say awful shit about him and his wife and his family pretty much all
31:06SPEAKERthe time.
31:07SPEAKERLike, like I, I did not realize that I don't keep up with celebrity gossip that much, but
31:10SPEAKERI've certainly gotten a crash course in like their relationship history over the last couple
31:15SPEAKERof years.
31:16SPEAKERJust, just through osmosis in the last few days and like even seeing like just there
31:20SPEAKERseemed to be a simmering vitriol toward them prior to this incident that it seems a little
31:24SPEAKERbit frightening, honestly.
31:27SPEAKERI mean, it's, it's, it's a part, it's part of like their, their personage is positive
31:35SPEAKERand, and you know, I, I feel like generally speaking, he has worked to be a force for
31:41SPEAKERgood in the world through the, through the run of his career and, and people like to
31:47SPEAKERcut those people down.
31:48SPEAKERSo yeah, it's, it's an, I mean like I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade places with him for any amount
31:55SPEAKERof money in the world.
31:56SPEAKERI don't think it seems like an awful, awful way to live, probably.
32:01SPEAKERSo, so yeah, like I, I don't, I actually don't remember what your question was.
32:07SPEAKERI'm sorry.
32:08SPEAKERMain character.
32:09SPEAKEROh yeah.
32:10SPEAKERMain character.
32:11SPEAKERI don't, I don't think so.
32:12SPEAKERLike it's weird to be the, to be the person that everybody's pissed off at on the internet
32:15SPEAKERthat day and it's not actually you, it makes it like insulating in some way that's kind
32:19SPEAKERof okay.
32:20SPEAKEROf course.
32:21SPEAKERYou just made me realize when you said it, when you put it that way, like of course it,
32:23SPEAKERof course you're not that because that is the real definition, right?
32:26SPEAKERIt's the person that everybody's mad at.
32:28SPEAKERYeah.
32:29SPEAKERIf I had walked up and slapped Chris Rock, I would have been arrested and thrown in jail
32:33SPEAKERat that moment, which is another, like that was the, just to be clear, that's another
32:37SPEAKERthing people were angry about.
32:40SPEAKERIf you weren't a rich, if you weren't a rich person who was nominated for an Academy award
32:44SPEAKERand you had hit somebody on stage at the Oscars, you would be hauled off in chains.
32:47SPEAKERI mean, you know, not wrong.
32:50SPEAKERYeah.
32:51SPEAKERI don't know.
32:53SPEAKERIt was, uh, it was, uh, yeah, it's, it, it, it was the best I told, I told another friend
33:02SPEAKERwho has actually experienced with like mobs coming at them, um, on, on, on line and it
33:10SPEAKERwas like, look, it's not anywhere near as bad as anything that anyone who actually was
33:15SPEAKERattacked by either the alt right or gamer gate or, or any of those kinds of things was
33:19SPEAKERbecause it's like, they're not pissed off at me.
33:21SPEAKERThey're not going to come.
33:22SPEAKERThey need to come to my house.
33:24SPEAKERThey're threatening to come to his house and yada yada.
33:26SPEAKERI can't speak from experience, but what people like that go through sounds like a living
33:30SPEAKERhell and what you went through is more just like amusing and maybe like slightly annoying
33:34SPEAKERin spots.
33:35SPEAKERIt's a good story for cocktail parties.
33:37SPEAKERLike the people, the other parents at school pick up who are aware of who I am, found it
33:43SPEAKERreally funny.
33:44SPEAKERRight.
33:45SPEAKERUm, but other than that, pretty minor.
33:47SPEAKERYes.
33:48SPEAKERAnd it's like, we're, this is Thursday after it happened and like, it's still like my,
33:54SPEAKERmy signal to noise ratio and my mentions on Twitter is still bad, but it's not unmanageable
33:58SPEAKERat this point.
33:59SPEAKERI guess maybe that's another thing to mention is that like your pinned tweet now and before
34:04SPEAKERthe incident and remains, uh, about the FOS pod.
34:08SPEAKEROh yeah.
34:09SPEAKERWe got a lot of tweets at this, at the tech pod and the FOS pod addresses for this just
34:13SPEAKERhappened to be a tweet that I was tagged in.
34:15SPEAKERSo I've gotten a good bit of the runoff from this.
34:18SPEAKERDo you get any follows?
34:19SPEAKERDo new people follow you as a result?
34:21SPEAKERNone.
34:22SPEAKERSo I've gotten, I've gotten a ton of replies because a bunch of people have been replying
34:25SPEAKERto this tweet about probably the nerdiest podcast on the internet or one of them tweet
34:30SPEAKERabout open source software is getting a bunch of replies from people mad about the slap.
34:35SPEAKERLike I guess nobody took the time to read the tweet.
34:38SPEAKERUh, but anyway, I happened to be tagged into that.
34:40SPEAKERSo I saw, I saw some of that stuff, but no, I have not gotten like really any follow,
34:45SPEAKERfollowers at all out of that, but it seems like you sure have.
34:48SPEAKERWell yeah, I've gotten 120,000 followers in the last four days.
34:53SPEAKERHow many of those do you think are actual human beings?
34:56SPEAKERI haven't really tweeted anything since then.
34:59SPEAKERI've tweeted a couple of wordle things and I tweeted about some ice cream I had the other
35:03SPEAKERnight cause I was really enjoying it and I forgot, um, the, well, that's not true.
35:12SPEAKERI wanted to poke, I wanted to, I wanted to poke the Hornet's nest a little bit and see
35:15SPEAKERhow bad it was going to be with something that was innocuous and wouldn't link out to
35:18SPEAKERanybody else.
35:19SPEAKERSo I tweeted about the ice cream and I said like the ice cream was really good.
35:24SPEAKERYou could even say that it slaps just to see what people would see, how it would go.
35:29SPEAKERLessons were learned.
35:30SPEAKERYeah.
35:31SPEAKERUm, it's like the bait people absolutely grabbed the bait.
35:36SPEAKERUm, getting like 30, 25, 30,000 replies to something that you've, that you've posted
35:41SPEAKERthen plus a whole bunch of other stuff, um, is, is, is a lot.
35:48SPEAKERUm, I don't think, uh, it seems like a lot of people continued to follow because either
35:54SPEAKERthey were interested in the things that I, they scrolled through my feed and were like,
35:57SPEAKERHey, this seems fun.
35:58SPEAKERLike I got a lot of like, Hey, your posts are really good.
36:00SPEAKERAnd also you're really like, like the way you've handled this is really funny.
36:03SPEAKERSo I'll follow it cause you seem like an interesting dude to follow on the internet.
36:06SPEAKERI don't know.
36:07SPEAKERI'm, I'm looking, uh, looking at some of the quote tweets on the, uh, this ice cream really
36:13SPEAKERslaps tweet and a fair number of people appreciated it.
36:18SPEAKERLook, I feel like a fair amount of our, um, our shared friends, like our, our people who
36:26SPEAKERuse the, this really slaps language a lot.
36:30SPEAKERSo, you know, Connie Hewitt though, however, uh, said, it's not funny.
36:36SPEAKERIt's like a murderer saying, I guess I killed it.
36:38SPEAKERI lost all respect for you.
36:40SPEAKERSo I guess I've lost her as a fan forever.
36:42SPEAKERThat's unfortunate.
36:43SPEAKERSorry, Connie.
36:44SPEAKERSorry.
36:45SPEAKERYou're disappointed.
36:46SPEAKERHonestly.
36:47SPEAKERHonestly.
36:48SPEAKERMy, my guess is I shed about 95, 96% of these people over the next six months as they are
36:54SPEAKERexposed to the kind of content I post, they realize the profound mistakes they have made.
36:58SPEAKERYes, I'm going to go and tell you it's a bummer because like I, I, I don't, I want to say
37:03SPEAKERI worked hard, but like I've been tweeting at a pretty steady pace for like 15 years
37:07SPEAKERand I got 130,000 followers just by my normal nonsense and, and, and just to be clear regularly
37:14SPEAKERpost that I'm not the actor to get rid of the people who sign up because they think
37:17SPEAKERI'm the actor for some unknown reason.
37:20SPEAKERDo you do that unprompted?
37:21SPEAKERIs that something that's just like, well, it's a new month time to let people know,
37:25SPEAKERor is it just when there was an inciting event?
37:27SPEAKERSo when, when he starts, when he has a new movie, like when he releases a new movie or
37:31SPEAKERsomething like that, usually I do it just cause I get a lot of followers as a result
37:34SPEAKERof that.
37:35SPEAKERAnd then I'll try to get rid of them.
37:36SPEAKERCause like, it doesn't do me any good to have people following, following me if they expect
37:46SPEAKERshit about Will Smith's movies and music.
37:48SPEAKERRight?
37:49SPEAKERYeah.
37:50SPEAKERYeah.
37:51SPEAKERI went to, like I said, I pulled up his filmography.
37:52SPEAKEROh gosh.
37:53SPEAKERRight.
37:54SPEAKERAnd then I got to see your, your head in 2007 in terms of where his movie career was at,
37:59SPEAKERat that point.
38:00SPEAKERBut I forgot that independence day was like freaking 1996.
38:02SPEAKERYeah.
38:03SPEAKERSo like he's done all Ali bad boys, all the men in black movies, like he was a massive,
38:09SPEAKERmassive celebrity by 2007.
38:12SPEAKERSo I had, when I started at Maximum PC in 2000 John Phillips, who was the editor of
38:18SPEAKERthe magazine at that point was like, Hey, what do you want your pen?
38:21SPEAKERWhat do you want your byline to be in the magazine?
38:23SPEAKERI was like, well, he was like, if you want to change from Will Smith, now is the time.
38:28SPEAKERI was like, well, you know, wild, wild West just came out and it was an enormous flop.
38:36SPEAKERSo I, I maybe he's done.
38:38SPEAKERI think it's probably like he had one good movie.
38:41SPEAKERHe's just going to probably disappear at this point.
38:43SPEAKERWe'll never hear from him again.
38:44SPEAKERIt'll be fine.
38:45SPEAKERRight.
38:46SPEAKERI'm just going to go with Will Smith.
38:47SPEAKERAnd I mean, mistakes were made.
38:49SPEAKERThe rest was history.
38:51SPEAKERYeah.
38:52SPEAKERI guess what history continues to be written, where to go from here, but up, I'm running
38:58SPEAKERout of platitudes.
38:59SPEAKERI mean, look, realistically, this happened because it happened on a TV show that's shown
39:05SPEAKERaround the world, right?
39:07SPEAKERI don't, I don't, I, I have to assume that this is, I, I hope to God that this is the
39:12SPEAKERhigh watermark for stupid shit happening to me on Twitter because of my name fingers crossed.
39:19SPEAKERAnd it really, when you put that tweet out, it really did have the feeling of a culmination
39:25SPEAKERof just like, you know, this has been happening in one form or another for a very long time.
39:30SPEAKERIt has now reached its apotheosis.
39:31SPEAKERYeah.
39:32SPEAKERThere's no, like, this is the peak of this particular phenomenon.
39:35SPEAKERLike when you have a, when you have a Twitter post that has nearly a million likes on it,
39:41SPEAKERyou're probably, that's probably, it's tough to beat that unless you're like lady Gaga
39:44SPEAKERor something.
39:45SPEAKERTaylor Swift, maybe.
39:47SPEAKERYeah.
39:48SPEAKERSo yeah, I, uh, I feel pretty good about where I am.
39:51SPEAKERMy last question that I forgot to ask is, did you get approached by any companies that
39:55SPEAKERare soliciting like their weird little, like night, night, nightlight contraption that
39:59SPEAKERlike projects a bunch of stars up on the ceiling or like.
40:02SPEAKERI turned DMS off probably before those people would have noticed, I guess that's probably
40:06SPEAKERthe only way they would get to you.
40:08SPEAKERLook, if I wanted to promote some NFTs, Brad, I had lots of opportunities to get out on
40:13SPEAKERthe ground floor, but, uh, I, I, I just blocked all of those people out of hand because what
40:18SPEAKERdo they offer you?
40:19SPEAKERUh, I assume some, some like a percentage of the Ethereum they get from selling the
40:25SPEAKERpicture.
40:26SPEAKERI don't know.
40:27SPEAKERI didn't engage.
40:28SPEAKEROh, I know you did.
40:29SPEAKERYeah.
40:30SPEAKERI just want to know what their sales pitch was like.
40:31SPEAKERLike I didn't, to be honest, I didn't like there was so much coming in.
40:33SPEAKERI didn't even engage with the, with like the, like, I feel kind of bad cause like the local
40:38SPEAKERradio people in New Zealand and Australia who all wanted to talk to me.
40:42SPEAKERI like, like those people are just doing their jobs and I feel bad.
40:47SPEAKERUsually, usually when somebody solicits me for something that's like a good faith solicitation,
40:51SPEAKERHey, can you come talk about something?
40:52SPEAKERI will say no, I don't have time to do this.
40:54SPEAKERUnfortunately.
40:55SPEAKERThere were so many of them coming in.
40:56SPEAKERI couldn't even do that.
40:57SPEAKERIt was, it was ridiculous.
40:58SPEAKERUm, and the number of DMS that were coming in, the number of DMS that I woke up to too.
41:03SPEAKERSo I don't know if this, if they do this on non verified accounts, cause I haven't looked
41:06SPEAKERat, um, Twitter DMS in a long time on a non verified account, but they filter them by
41:12SPEAKERlike people who you follow and have engaged with in the past.
41:15SPEAKERAnd then there's also everybody who sends one in cold goes into a bucket.
41:19SPEAKERAnd I didn't realize that there were two layers of bucket.
41:22SPEAKERThere's like, Hey, these are the, these are the people who are probably okay.
41:27SPEAKERAnd then there's ones that are like, these are pretty obviously spam, but, or maybe they
41:31SPEAKERhave links in them.
41:32SPEAKERI don't know.
41:33SPEAKERIt's unclear.
41:34SPEAKERUh, it's, it's a lot.
41:37SPEAKERThere's thousands of them.
41:38SPEAKERAnd most of them, most of the really horrible stuff is in the DMS just to, I'm scrolling
41:43SPEAKERthrough these right now.
41:44SPEAKERI was like, wow, that is a really awful thing to say to somebody.
41:45SPEAKEROh, I believe it.
41:46SPEAKERI, um, even on a normal day, I can't believe anybody in your position or frankly, anyone
41:51SPEAKERhas opened Twitter DMS.
41:53SPEAKERWell, what would you suggest you to do such a thing?
41:55SPEAKERWell, here's one, Hey, can you ratio bungee for having terrible armor design for destiny
42:00SPEAKERto the video game?
42:01SPEAKERThanks.
42:02SPEAKEROkay.
42:03SPEAKERThis is just getting ridiculous.
42:04SPEAKERI like, I mean, at least that's not a horror.
42:07SPEAKERLike it could be worse.
42:08SPEAKERIt's not explicitly racist, I guess that has that going for it.
42:11SPEAKERYeah.
42:12SPEAKERYeah.
42:13SPEAKERSo it was, it's been a weird couple of days.
42:15SPEAKERUm, well, glad you survived.
42:17SPEAKERI, uh, it's funny everybody at work, whenever I disagreed with somebody about something
42:21SPEAKERthey were like, Hey, please just don't slap me.
42:24SPEAKERAll right.
42:25SPEAKERUm, I don't know.
42:28SPEAKERI feel like I can't say anything slaps for a long time now, probably.
42:31SPEAKEROh, you burned that one.
42:33SPEAKERI mean, you used it pretty well, but again, that's, you only get to do that one once.
42:37SPEAKERI'm just saying in general, though, like in regular conversation, it's out, there are
42:41SPEAKERso many DMS in this second tier filter.
42:43SPEAKERI had no idea.
42:44SPEAKERThere's like, it's just keeps going.
42:46SPEAKERIt's page after page after page after page.
42:48SPEAKERAnything else you want to favor us with before, um, I would, I would suggest that people try
42:54SPEAKERto be less angry.
42:56SPEAKERIt's better for you to not be angry all the time.
42:59SPEAKERThat's it.
43:00SPEAKERThat's what I got.
43:01SPEAKERNo standout examples.
43:02SPEAKERNothing fun.
43:03SPEAKERUm, hold on, let me, I, I took screenshots of all the good stuff.
43:07SPEAKERUh, Oh, Stephen, a Smith, the ESPN guy.
43:10SPEAKEROh yeah.
43:11SPEAKERI saw him.
43:12SPEAKERI saw a video.
43:13SPEAKERHe posted about, he got really pissed off at me specifically.
43:15SPEAKERHe kept tweeting at me.
43:16SPEAKERWait, what?
43:17SPEAKERHe was just pissed off about at Will Smith, but he kept tweeting at me because despite
43:21SPEAKERdozens and dozens of people saying that, Oh, here, here is something I would like to say.
43:25SPEAKERLike a lot of people have gotten into the mentions and are like, Hey, you know, this
43:28SPEAKERisn't, this isn't that Will Smith.
43:30SPEAKERRight.
43:31SPEAKERLike I don't, I haven't had to explain it at all, which is nice.
43:35SPEAKERUm, I, I would ask those people to please be kind.
43:38SPEAKERMost of the people that are tweeting are not trying to be malicious.
43:40SPEAKERSo, you know, we don't need to call names and stuff like that in there.
43:44SPEAKERUm, I'd say that goes for just about everybody on social media.
43:47SPEAKERYeah.
43:48SPEAKERIt's good policies.
43:49SPEAKERLet's try to try to be kind.
43:50SPEAKERUh, there was a really good, here, I'll give you, here's a, here's an image.
43:55SPEAKERThis one, somebody I had tweeted, uh, let's see on from the Friday pub G games, there
44:01SPEAKERwas a really funny shot where it looked like I had an enormous hand pointing at a house
44:06SPEAKERand uh, somebody thought that was really funny and said, Chris Rock should be happy.
44:09SPEAKERIt was the other Will Smith that slapped him.
44:11SPEAKERThat was maybe the funniest one I got.
44:13SPEAKERI don't know.
44:14SPEAKERAll right.
44:15SPEAKERSure.
44:16SPEAKERUh, it was, it was weird.
44:17SPEAKERIt was weird to get notes from people who saw it in different newspapers and in the
44:20SPEAKERnational post and stuff, the New York post and stuff like that.
44:23SPEAKERYeah.
44:24SPEAKERSo how does, how does this make you feel at the hypothetical high school reunion that
44:27SPEAKERyou may or may not ever go to?
44:30SPEAKERI don't think it'll come up by then.
44:31SPEAKERProbably probably not.
44:32SPEAKERCause that would be June.
44:33SPEAKERRight.
44:34SPEAKERYeah.
44:35SPEAKERUm, it would, it trended on Twitter for like 48 hours ish, which is not ever what you want.
44:42SPEAKERI got a Darth tweet, which is nice.
44:44SPEAKERDo you not know?
44:45SPEAKERDarth?
44:46SPEAKERDarth is a tech thing.
44:47SPEAKERI think maybe more than a games thing.
44:48SPEAKERHmm.
44:49SPEAKERDarth is the, he's a, they're, they're a Firefox, a red Panda, just at Darth at Darth.
44:55SPEAKEROkay.
44:56SPEAKERThey do good tweets.
44:57SPEAKERSometimes they hibernate.
44:58SPEAKERThey're going to hibernation and, uh, Darth said, just answer the questions, Congressman.
45:02SPEAKERSo anytime like you rate a Darth tweet, I feel like that's, that's interesting.
45:05SPEAKERWait, how do I go into hibernation?
45:08SPEAKERYou just, you just don't, you say, Hey, I'm going into hibernation, then don't post for
45:11SPEAKERthree months.
45:12SPEAKERI think I'm going to do that as soon as we get off here.
45:14SPEAKERI skipped.
45:15SPEAKERI apparently I skipped the crucial step.
45:16SPEAKERI didn't say that I was going to hibernate.
45:17SPEAKERI just stopped tweeting.
45:18SPEAKERYeah.
45:19SPEAKERLook, you got to announce it and then you have to come back at some point.
45:22SPEAKERI'm really bad at this.
45:23SPEAKERI think, um, a lot of people tried to get me to talk to P Diddy about him solving the
45:28SPEAKERbeef between you should have done it.
45:30SPEAKERI kind of thought about that, but I also, I really was like, I don't know if I want
45:34SPEAKERto talk about, Oh, TV guide tagged me by accident.
45:36SPEAKERThat was fun.
45:37SPEAKERUh, let's see.
45:39SPEAKEROh yeah.
45:40SPEAKERThe other, the other good one was anytime I liked something that was related to this,
45:45SPEAKERpeople would send me pictures of, you know, cause Twitter tells you when somebody on your,
45:49SPEAKERthat you're following likes a post and it's like the Academy does not condone violence
45:54SPEAKERof any form tonight.
45:55SPEAKERWe are delighted to celebrate our 94th Academy award winners who deserved this moment of
45:58SPEAKERrecognition from their peers and movie lovers around the world.
46:00SPEAKERWill Smith liked this post, so, um, that was pretty good.
46:05SPEAKERI don't know.
46:06SPEAKERIt was real weird.
46:07SPEAKERThe whole thing was weird.
46:08SPEAKERYes.
46:09SPEAKERWell, glad you made it through.
46:10SPEAKERYeah.
46:11SPEAKERNow you can get back to normal life.
46:13SPEAKERI'm I'm, I'm pretty excited about that.
46:16SPEAKERIt's uh, it's time.
46:17SPEAKERIt's time that we all move past the slap.
46:19SPEAKERUh, I muted slap yesterday on Twitter and it's a better place.
46:23SPEAKERSo I think, I think, I think we have, I think the apologies have been issued on all sides.
46:28SPEAKERI don't think that's true.
46:30SPEAKERI think we're done.
46:31SPEAKERI think it's over.
46:32SPEAKERI don't think Chris Rock apologized.
46:33SPEAKERAnd we did.
46:34SPEAKERYeah, we did.
46:35SPEAKERLike the first, like I think the same night or like early next morning, like he was the
46:38SPEAKERfirst one out there, I think with a statement.
46:40SPEAKERGood for him.
46:41SPEAKERUh, people, it turns out on Twitter, I should have probably tweeted Will Smith's pictured
46:46SPEAKERapology for him because a lot of people didn't know that he apologized.
46:51SPEAKERReally funny if you had just like started acting as his de facto PR.
46:56SPEAKERI don't, he's not paying me, so I'm not interested in really doing that.
47:00SPEAKERWell, you know, I think you probably had a certain level of self-interest in getting
47:04SPEAKERhis message out there that he was apologetic.
47:07SPEAKERLike there was a certain sort of self-serving aspect to that if it decreased your own traffic
47:13SPEAKERon your Twitter account.
47:14SPEAKERYeah.
47:15SPEAKERI mean, that's true.
47:16SPEAKERThat's true.
47:17SPEAKERAnyway.
47:18SPEAKERUm, it was definitely, there was definitely, there definitely is some self-interest there.
47:21SPEAKERYes.
47:22SPEAKERUm, let's, uh, I guess we're at the end of this, this is a listener supported show.
47:25SPEAKERThis is the thing we should, we don't normally talk about me.
47:28SPEAKERIt's really uncomfortable doing this.
47:29SPEAKEROh, yes, I'm sure.
47:30SPEAKERWell, Hey, here's your out.
47:32SPEAKERLet's stop talking about you.
47:35SPEAKERPerfect.
47:36SPEAKERLet's talk about the people who support the show.
47:38SPEAKERYeah.
47:39SPEAKERThe, the brand will made a tech pod.
47:40SPEAKERWe usually talk about, um, tech technology stuff.
47:42SPEAKERUsually it's like a single issue topic, something that you can learn or do or something that's
47:47SPEAKERuseful for you hopefully.
47:48SPEAKERUh, and we do it every month.
47:50SPEAKERSo we would love every week.
47:52SPEAKERWow.
47:53SPEAKERWe do it every week.
47:55SPEAKERSo much podcasting.
47:56SPEAKERHow does anybody have time?
47:57SPEAKERUh, but we would love to have new people come in and join the community.
48:01SPEAKERWe have a really, uh, a discord with like 3000 people in there that are posting on the
48:05SPEAKERreg about everything from like learning to code to learning to solder, to, to like movies
48:10SPEAKERthat they like and books that they're reading and music that they're into and making music.
48:13SPEAKERAnd like, it's a, it's a fabulous community full of, um, people with a wide variety of
48:19SPEAKERinteresting hobbies and, and, and vocations.
48:22SPEAKERUh, and, uh, we would love to have you there.
48:24SPEAKERBeautiful nerds is, is the way that we have put it.
48:28SPEAKERBeautiful.
48:29SPEAKERBeautiful.
48:30SPEAKERHey Brad, I have a confession.
48:31SPEAKERRoman Mars calls the people who listen to 99% invisible, beautiful nerds.
48:36SPEAKERAnd I think I maybe stole that from him.
48:37SPEAKEROkay.
48:38SPEAKERAll right.
48:39SPEAKERForget.
48:40SPEAKERWho?
48:41SPEAKERWhat?
48:42SPEAKERYeah.
48:43SPEAKERNevermind.
48:44SPEAKERUh, anyway, we would love to have you join us.
48:45SPEAKERYou can, you can become a part of the tech pod community by signing up for our Patreon
48:47SPEAKERfor as little as $2 a month.
48:50SPEAKERYou can join the discord community and, uh, talk about all of the things that we listed
48:54SPEAKERabove, including, uh, well, I mean, I guess the big topic conversation this week was,
48:59SPEAKERwas the Will Smith thing.
49:00SPEAKERUm, we also had like extended conversations, like people tell people it's, it's funny because
49:07SPEAKERwe added a channel about work stuff and people are like asking, Hey, how do I negotiate for,
49:13SPEAKERyou know, salary and stuff in a tech job in a programming job or in a program manager
49:17SPEAKERjob and stuff like that.
49:19SPEAKERAnd it's, it's, it's, it's really fascinating.
49:21SPEAKERWe've had a couple people actually get jobs from people that they know through the discord,
49:24SPEAKERwhich I think is fascinating.
49:25SPEAKERTrue.
49:26SPEAKERYeah.
49:27SPEAKERA lot of knowledge sharing.
49:28SPEAKERIt's just a great place to be.
49:29SPEAKERYeah.
49:30SPEAKERShare, share your projects, share the stuff you love.
49:31SPEAKERShare pictures of your dogs in your desks.
49:33SPEAKERThat's all good too.
49:34SPEAKERUm, we would love to have you there.
49:36SPEAKERThe, the address is patreon.com/techpod again, it's patreon.com/techpod and, uh, as we do
49:43SPEAKERevery week, we would like to thank our executive producer to your patrons, including paddle
49:47SPEAKERCreek games, makers of fractured bail, Andrew Slosky, hashtag bunny crimes, Jacob chapel,
49:53SPEAKERJoel Krauska, measure of a Twinkie, David Allen and James Kammack.
49:57SPEAKERThank you all so much.
49:58SPEAKERWe really appreciate it.
49:59SPEAKERThe octothorpe has departed.
50:00SPEAKERI figured I'd do hashtag this week.
50:02SPEAKERSo I don't know that everybody like we, you know, we have new people, they might not know
50:05SPEAKERwhat an octothorpe is.
50:06SPEAKEROh, have you, you've been making that a tutorial call?
50:08SPEAKERWell, it was octothorpe for a while then he changed it back to the hashtag, but the hashtag
50:11SPEAKERis the octothorpe.
50:12SPEAKERIt's the same.
50:13SPEAKERHmm.
50:14SPEAKERIt's a, it's two names for the same thing.
50:16SPEAKERHow deep does this bunny hole go?
50:18SPEAKERLook, we're not talking about bunny holes on this show.
50:22SPEAKERI can't, I can't take more people being angry at me, Brad.
50:26SPEAKERWe will be back next week with another episode of the tech pod.
50:29SPEAKERThank you all for listening.
50:30SPEAKERGood night.