112: Here Comes Manhattanhenge!

00:00SPEAKER- She like came onto the stream the other night

00:02SPEAKERand was like, "I'm getting my shot tomorrow, what what?"

00:05SPEAKER- Wait, did she really say what what?

00:08SPEAKER- She did not say what what.

00:09SPEAKERI added the what what, that was a flourish.

00:11SPEAKER- I don't think that, well I started to say,

00:12SPEAKERI don't think what what is a Zoomer phrase,

00:14SPEAKERbut I think she is probably post-Zoomer.

00:16SPEAKER- She's like a, she rolls back around to an A-O-mer,

00:20SPEAKERI think, that starts at the A again.

00:22SPEAKER- Did she just coin the phrase for the next generation

00:25SPEAKERafter the next generation?

00:26SPEAKER- Nope, these are, so I think I talked about this before,

00:28SPEAKERbut I did a consulting thing a few years ago

00:31SPEAKERwhere they had like a, literally a world-renowned person

00:35SPEAKERwho does, who's like an expert in the generation,

00:40SPEAKERlike the characteristics of generations

00:42SPEAKERand like which things are true and which things are not.

00:45SPEAKERAnd we had a really, really fascinating conversation

00:47SPEAKERat lunch one day about the fact

00:50SPEAKERthat the internet completely, like when media was mass

00:55SPEAKERand spread across, like when media was distributed evenly

01:01SPEAKERacross the entire population in the United States,

01:03SPEAKERsay when everybody's watching

01:04SPEAKERthe same primetime TV shows at night.

01:06SPEAKER- When there was a monoculture.

01:07SPEAKER- Yeah, when there were three options

01:09SPEAKERand they were all basically the same.

01:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

01:12SPEAKER- No, there wasn't, if you were into something really weird

01:16SPEAKERand small, probably you didn't know very many people,

01:18SPEAKERif anyone else, who was into that same thing.

01:21SPEAKERSo it was really easy to make broad generalizations

01:24SPEAKERup until about the first half of generation X.

01:27SPEAKERYou know, the people who were born in the late sixties

01:29SPEAKERof children of boomers, first children of boomers,

01:32SPEAKERand until like 19, the people born around our age,

01:37SPEAKERyou know, mid to late seventies,

01:39SPEAKERat which point the time at which you gained access

01:42SPEAKERto the internet shapes your kind of proclivities

01:47SPEAKERmore than your age.

01:50SPEAKER- That is a hundred percent my experience

01:51SPEAKERbecause I got on the internet in the mid nineties

01:53SPEAKERand like immediately started finding like-minded people

01:56SPEAKERwho were into like, say, video games

01:58SPEAKERthat were only out in Japan and things of that nature.

02:01SPEAKER- Yep, and like that access shaped you

02:03SPEAKERand that's made, that's why millennials are so amorphous

02:07SPEAKERand challenging and why old people still are like,

02:10SPEAKERoh man, those damn millennials are there.

02:13SPEAKERYeah, they're all these shiftless layabouts,

02:14SPEAKERbut like really like they're fucking 42 year old millennials

02:17SPEAKERnow, right, like?

02:19SPEAKER- For sure, wait a minute, I'm 42, I'm not a millennial.

02:21SPEAKER- It's, you are on the old millennial side.

02:24SPEAKER- 'Cause I was in the seventies though.

02:26SPEAKER- So the thing he said was like,

02:28SPEAKERbecause the lines of demarcation to happen at eighties,

02:31SPEAKERand there's no official,

02:32SPEAKERlike it's not like there's an ANSI standard

02:33SPEAKERfor what's a millennial.

02:35SPEAKERThe point is your behavior is probably closer

02:38SPEAKERto a millennial than a traditional Gen X or growing up

02:42SPEAKERon your flannel and grunge and Winona Ryder movies.

02:46SPEAKER- Definitely, I'm definitely in that gray area,

02:48SPEAKERbut I felt like I always fell on the earlier side

02:51SPEAKERof that stuff because I remember.

02:52SPEAKER- Sorry, Brad.

02:53SPEAKER- I remember early eighties politics,

02:54SPEAKERI remember like the big thing for me is that I remember life

02:56SPEAKERwithout any kind of digital anything.

02:59SPEAKER- Yeah, you've seen it both ways.

03:00SPEAKER- No internet access, card catalog,

03:02SPEAKEReverything was entirely tangible, but.

03:05SPEAKER- But your behavior, your mannerisms,

03:08SPEAKERthe things you enjoy, say millennial, old millennial, Brad.

03:11SPEAKER- You can't pigeonhole me, you can't define me,

03:13SPEAKERcan't tell me who I am.

03:14SPEAKER- Man, you just have to give up and embrace,

03:16SPEAKERlike stop taking, stop working so hard,

03:19SPEAKERget some student, get some college debt.

03:22SPEAKERThat's what you need to be a true millennial.

03:23SPEAKER- Something, something avocado toast.

03:25SPEAKERI'd like not to throw any shade, but yeah,

03:27SPEAKERlike is this person's expertise based in research?

03:30SPEAKERBecause like generational definitions,

03:32SPEAKERI feel like are maybe the most arbitrary

03:34SPEAKERsociological thing there is, like there is no,

03:37SPEAKERlike you said, there is no agreement on damn near anything.

03:39SPEAKER- So I believe that he was a sociologist by like trade

03:43SPEAKERand study and you have some of some renown.

03:47SPEAKERI don't know, like he would have,

03:50SPEAKERhe was the first person who admitted that like,

03:52SPEAKERit was like a lot of it's kind of hand wavy, right?

03:54SPEAKERLike, like, especially when you're like,

03:56SPEAKERwell, you're born in 1979 instead of 1981,

03:59SPEAKERsorry, you're a Gen X-er.

04:00SPEAKERBut like, but like when we were talking,

04:02SPEAKERwhen we were talking, we were talking about me specifically

04:04SPEAKERand he was like, look, here are the things

04:06SPEAKERthat you're into, right?

04:07SPEAKERWhat are the things you're into?

04:09SPEAKERWe went down the list, how, you know, what do you do?

04:11SPEAKERDo you spend, how much time do you spend

04:12SPEAKERon a computer every day?

04:14SPEAKERYou know, what's, what's your primary mode of contact

04:16SPEAKERwith other people, stuff like that.

04:17SPEAKERAnd he was like, you have all the characteristics

04:19SPEAKERof a millennial, even though you're like five years,

04:21SPEAKERfour years too young, too old rather.

04:24SPEAKERSo, you know, it's, it's not like that comedian

04:27SPEAKERwho claims to be the oldest, who claims to be a millennial,

04:29SPEAKERbut it's like 52. - It is 52, yes.

04:30SPEAKER- Yeah, but, but it's, it is, it is our worldviews

04:35SPEAKERand our way of, of handling problems

04:38SPEAKERand our way of communicating with people

04:40SPEAKERare shaped by the fact that we were on the internet

04:43SPEAKERin like 1994, '95, '96 in that timeframe and that,

04:47SPEAKERand that changed, it had a profound change

04:50SPEAKERon the way we behave.

04:51SPEAKER- Wait, does that, does that make you

04:52SPEAKERa symbolic millennial as well?

04:54SPEAKER- It means I'm the oldest millennial brand.

04:56SPEAKER- It's you, it's you.

04:59SPEAKERI have to, we need to start this episode,

05:00SPEAKERbut I have to tell you, I think they have a name.

05:03SPEAKER- What's the deal?

05:04SPEAKER- I'm seeing an awful lot of generation alpha here.

05:07SPEAKER- Oh no, well, okay.

05:09SPEAKER- That's, it's everywhere.

05:10SPEAKERIt's all, I'm seeing, there is a Wikipedia page, man.

05:13SPEAKERI think the ship may have sailed.

05:14SPEAKER- There's a word for people like us too, Brad.

05:16SPEAKERWe're tweeners.

05:17SPEAKER- What's, oh boy.

05:18SPEAKER- We're between two, two groups.

05:20SPEAKER- The most forgotten.

05:22SPEAKER- Yeah, like, like, yeah, imagine, imagine.

05:24SPEAKER- Even more forgotten than the forgotten.

05:25SPEAKER- Somewhat more forgotten than Gen X, sorry guys.

05:27SPEAKER- Is there anything a little bit unsettling about this?

05:31SPEAKER- Generation alpha?

05:32SPEAKER- Between Gen Z or Zoomers, Gen Z to Gen alpha,

05:35SPEAKERgeneration alpha, there is a sense of restarting something.

05:39SPEAKERIs that a little bit unsettling to you?

05:41SPEAKER- Okay, well look, I've been playing this game

05:42SPEAKERwhere you have 30 minutes to build a bunch of rockets

05:44SPEAKERto get people off of the planet

05:45SPEAKERbefore they, the planet is killed.

05:48SPEAKERAnd that's what, these are the people

05:49SPEAKERwe're gonna put on the, these are the rocket kids.

05:51SPEAKER- Oh good.

05:52SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:12SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:20SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot, I'm Will.

06:23SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.

06:24SPEAKER- That was a cheery way to start a show.

06:26SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that's a, I didn't expect you

06:28SPEAKERto go straight to like, get small group off world

06:32SPEAKERto preserve the species.

06:35SPEAKER- There was a Disney,

06:36SPEAKERdo you remember like the Disney Sunday night movie

06:38SPEAKERthat used to be on ABC when we were kids?

06:41SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

06:42SPEAKER- Like sometimes it would be like Benji or some dog thing,

06:44SPEAKERlike the Incredible Journey or something.

06:46SPEAKERBut one like three week period, two or three week period,

06:50SPEAKERthey had a like six hour movie that was about these kids.

06:55SPEAKERThey got launched on a spaceship that went like

06:59SPEAKERslightly faster than the speed of light

07:00SPEAKERand they were going to another, it was like a big,

07:02SPEAKERit was like, it was kind of a weird hard sci-fi thing

07:06SPEAKERfor TV in the 80s.

07:08SPEAKERAnd like, I remember two things about it.

07:11SPEAKEROne is that I think the ship could come apart

07:13SPEAKERin a fun, interesting way that was like all effects-y

07:15SPEAKERand like good model shots.

07:16SPEAKERAnd the other was that the kids were teenagers

07:19SPEAKERand there was only one adult on the ship.

07:20SPEAKERSo it sounded pretty good and they didn't interest

07:23SPEAKERthe inherent horniness of the situation at all.

07:26SPEAKER- It was the Disney Sunday night movie, come on.

07:27SPEAKER- Yeah, but like the kids got to a point

07:31SPEAKERwhere they caught up with the radio waves

07:33SPEAKERemanating from the earth and they were like,

07:35SPEAKERoh man, I love this song.

07:36SPEAKERAnd they changed the course of the ship

07:38SPEAKERto follow the songs that they wanted to hear.

07:40SPEAKER- That is the most teenager thing.

07:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it cracked me up.

07:43SPEAKER- Except for the part where teenagers in the 80s

07:45SPEAKERare like, oh, who knows when this was set?

07:47SPEAKERBut the part where modern teenagers

07:49SPEAKERwanted to listen to popular music from the 1930s,

07:52SPEAKERI don't know.

07:53SPEAKER- I, you know, the kids always like old stuff.

07:55SPEAKERLike I remember when I was in high school,

07:57SPEAKERlike 70s, like Led Zeppelin and Eagles

08:00SPEAKERand all that stuff was popular again.

08:01SPEAKERIt'd come back around.

08:02SPEAKER- That had gotten into the squarely like classic rock

08:05SPEAKERretro kind of cool.

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, but like there was a retro cool rock at that point,

08:10SPEAKERwhich was like late 60s, early 70s beat,

08:12SPEAKERlike Beatles to probably pre-disco, right?

08:15SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.

08:16SPEAKERBut I mean, 80 to 90 year old popular music,

08:18SPEAKERI don't know.

08:19SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I don't know.

08:22SPEAKERPeople listen to blues.

08:24SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, fair.

08:25SPEAKER- You listen to "Hound Dog",

08:26SPEAKERyou listen to the horny 45s of the 1940s.

08:30SPEAKER- The horny 45s.

08:31SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a real,

08:33SPEAKERI've said horny twice in this episode three times now.

08:35SPEAKER- This is a dangerous trend.

08:37SPEAKER- Well, okay, that's a perfect segue

08:38SPEAKERinto the horniest topic imaginable.

08:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:41SPEAKER- Daylight savings time.

08:44SPEAKER- This was a suggestion from a listener.

08:46SPEAKER- Uh-huh, yes.

08:48SPEAKER- I think it was, it turned out to be fascinating.

08:51SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a lot here.

08:52SPEAKERThere's a lot here that I didn't know.

08:54SPEAKERThere was some stuff here that I thought I knew

08:57SPEAKERand did in fact know, what am I saying?

08:59SPEAKERLet's talk about it.

09:00SPEAKER- There's a lot of myths.

09:01SPEAKERThere's a lot of daylight savings trends, myths.

09:02SPEAKERThere's a lot of, there's a lot of fun.

09:05SPEAKERLike there was one story that is widely quoted

09:07SPEAKERthat Ben Franklin satirically suggested

09:11SPEAKERpeople could save money on candles

09:14SPEAKERby setting their clocks forward one hour

09:18SPEAKERso that they get more light in the evening

09:20SPEAKERwhen they were burning the most candles.

09:23SPEAKERAnd he even did an analysis that showed

09:26SPEAKERthat France would save as much as,

09:28SPEAKERwell, current day $200 million every year on candle costs,

09:32SPEAKERcandle and whale oil costs, presumably.

09:35SPEAKERI don't know how they knew it was satirical.

09:36SPEAKER- Old, I was gonna say, old Ben Franklin,

09:38SPEAKERtruly the Jonathan Swift of his age.

09:41SPEAKERAlthough, wait, when was Jonathan Swift?

09:45SPEAKER- If you wanna talk about who the horniest

09:47SPEAKERof our founding fathers was, it's definitely Ben Franklin.

09:49SPEAKER- Also, actually, they were almost contemporary, to be fair.

09:52SPEAKER- They would have been, yeah.

09:54SPEAKERWell, Ben Franklin probably died

09:55SPEAKERwhen Jonathan Swift was a kid, would be my guess,

09:57SPEAKER'cause Jonathan Swift was like late 1800s, right?

09:59SPEAKER- No, no.

10:00SPEAKER- Oh, really?

10:01SPEAKER- Yeah, 1600s.

10:03SPEAKERHe died 1745, so they may have been alive.

10:06SPEAKERThey were alive at the same time for a bit, let's say.

10:08SPEAKER- I didn't know that satirical cannibalism

10:11SPEAKERwas so popular in the 1600s.

10:14SPEAKER- Oh, man, we went into this with an episode title in mind,

10:18SPEAKERbut we just keep busting them out.

10:20SPEAKER- Look, if I only sleep three or four hours a night,

10:21SPEAKERI'm working on titles and not much good on anything else.

10:24SPEAKER- Dude, that is a whole other episode I would like to do

10:26SPEAKERif we somehow could find the expertise to do it.

10:28SPEAKERI also find that I am weirdly punchier

10:31SPEAKERand almost like sharper when I'm sleep deprived.

10:34SPEAKER- It's because your filters are bad.

10:36SPEAKER- Is that what it is?

10:38SPEAKERMaybe my own self judgment also suffers.

10:41SPEAKER- Yeah, like my shame goes way down

10:43SPEAKERand my ability to just say things

10:45SPEAKERwithout thinking about them at all goes way up.

10:47SPEAKER- Okay.

10:48SPEAKER- It's the secret of extra life.

10:49SPEAKER- But my ability to judge the quality

10:50SPEAKERof what I'm saying also declines.

10:52SPEAKER- Yeah, well, here we are.

10:54SPEAKERWelcome to the show, everybody.

10:55SPEAKER- Anyway, at the time of this recording,

10:58SPEAKERwe are to do 14, 16-ish hours away

11:02SPEAKERfrom the clocks changing.

11:03SPEAKER- Whoa.

11:04SPEAKER- Time is ticking, man.

11:05SPEAKER- What's your strategy?

11:06SPEAKERYou go around the house to like turn in needles?

11:08SPEAKERYou let everything just stay its course?

11:11SPEAKERDo you change, do you have a clock

11:14SPEAKERthat you always find like three weeks later

11:15SPEAKERthat hasn't been changed yet?

11:17SPEAKER- No, I pretty much, I find it weirdly satisfying

11:20SPEAKERchanging all the clocks and I pretty much get up

11:22SPEAKERlike almost the second I get out of bed on the day,

11:25SPEAKERI get up and just go around the house and do all of them.

11:27SPEAKERBut how many clocks did you even have

11:29SPEAKERin the house that need changing?

11:30SPEAKERWe're getting, we have this run of show

11:32SPEAKERand we're leapfrogging to the end here.

11:34SPEAKER- Well, look, this is, I think this is,

11:37SPEAKERlook, let's freestyle this one.

11:40SPEAKER- It's a chatty episode.

11:41SPEAKERI mean, how many clocks do you even have

11:42SPEAKERaround the house that need changing?

11:43SPEAKERBecause like so many of the things we use

11:45SPEAKERfor timekeeping automate daylight savings now.

11:47SPEAKERLike all the mobile devices, all the computers,

11:49SPEAKERall the consoles, like with the possible exception

11:52SPEAKERof Windows 10, which I find very bad

11:54SPEAKERabout handling daylight savings.

11:56SPEAKER- Well, I'll tell you how Windows 11 does next week.

11:59SPEAKERWe have one wall clock that's a windup clock

12:01SPEAKERthat we don't ever use 'cause the house is so small

12:03SPEAKERthat you can hear the ticking in every corner of the house

12:05SPEAKERand it makes us a little crazy.

12:06SPEAKER- You mean a literal windup clock,

12:08SPEAKERnot a battery operated that ticks?

12:09SPEAKERLike a literal like gears and springs?

12:12SPEAKER- Wound up with weights and the whole thing.

12:14SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

12:14SPEAKER- It was one of my grandfather's clocks.

12:15SPEAKER- Oh, so it's a--

12:16SPEAKER- It's the one on the wall in the dining room, you've seen it.

12:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:19SPEAKER- It's a, I think it's a repro.

12:20SPEAKERIt's not a real one, but it's like a,

12:22SPEAKERit's like an old repro at this point, so.

12:25SPEAKER- That makes it antique by default.

12:27SPEAKER- Probably not, but the mechanism was definitely made

12:30SPEAKERin a factory in the '50s, probably would be my guess.

12:33SPEAKERAnyway, the only clock that we have

12:35SPEAKERthat I think that needs to be manually updated

12:37SPEAKERat this point is the one that's on the microwave oven.

12:44SPEAKER'Cause when we got the stove,

12:45SPEAKERit's connected to the internet now

12:46SPEAKERand it changes automatically.

12:47SPEAKER- What?

12:48SPEAKERAre you kidding?

12:50SPEAKER- Look, man.

12:51SPEAKER- The stove updates its own clock.

12:52SPEAKER- I'm gonna go and tell you,

12:53SPEAKERit's hard to buy a nice stove

12:55SPEAKERthat isn't internet connected.

12:56SPEAKER- Wait, so I mean, we live in an apartment

12:58SPEAKERwith a landlord who is loathe to ever replace anything.

13:01SPEAKERSo I have no sense of what appliances are like these days,

13:03SPEAKERbut like, is it really at that point where like,

13:07SPEAKERlike the last time I paid attention

13:08SPEAKERto internet connected appliances,

13:10SPEAKERthey seemed like a completely ridiculous extravagance,

13:13SPEAKERbut did it just happen?

13:14SPEAKERLike, are they all that way now?

13:15SPEAKER- Well, so, okay, there's two,

13:17SPEAKERusually there's a really cheap tier

13:19SPEAKERof stuff that's not connected.

13:20SPEAKER- Okay.

13:21SPEAKER- But like on a stove,

13:22SPEAKERwe wanted to get a high BTU burner

13:23SPEAKERand we wanted to get a griddle burner.

13:25SPEAKERAnd we didn't, we like, it didn't make sense.

13:29SPEAKERSo stoves are weird 'cause there's two different ranges.

13:31SPEAKERThere's like normal consumer stuff.

13:32SPEAKERAnd then there's like the chef style for fancy houses.

13:36SPEAKERYou don't usually want to put the chef style

13:38SPEAKERfor fancy houses in a bad house.

13:40SPEAKER'Cause it's like, it's not, you know,

13:42SPEAKERit's like too expensive for the house

13:44SPEAKERand you won't see your money back.

13:45SPEAKERSo we didn't want to buy like a Viking.

13:47SPEAKERA, we didn't have 10 grand to spend on a Viking,

13:49SPEAKERbut we didn't want to buy like a Viking or a Wolf

13:51SPEAKERor a Sub-Zero or something like that.

13:52SPEAKERAnd those are all staunchly mechanical.

13:55SPEAKERThe expensive ones have no electronic shit in them at all.

13:58SPEAKERSo they last forever.

13:59SPEAKER- That rules.

13:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

14:01SPEAKERLike at some point I will buy one of those,

14:02SPEAKERbut it wasn't for this house.

14:04SPEAKERWe ended up buying a Samsung, a big Samsung gas range.

14:10SPEAKERAnd it actually has a high BTU wok burner,

14:14SPEAKERwhich is something you can get in California a lot.

14:16SPEAKER'Cause there's a lot of Asian families

14:18SPEAKERthat do cooking at home.

14:19SPEAKER- I have experienced some backyard wok cooking before

14:21SPEAKERand that flame is intense.

14:23SPEAKER- Yeah, this one was like a 25,000 BTU wok burner

14:26SPEAKERand it's awesome.

14:28SPEAKERLike it is so like you can heat stuff up in so little time.

14:31SPEAKERIt's fabulous.

14:32SPEAKERBut in order to get that, we had to, we had to like,

14:36SPEAKERit was like a mid range, mid low, mid high, I guess,

14:40SPEAKERprice range.

14:41SPEAKERAnd all of those are internet connected at this point,

14:44SPEAKERwhich is stupid because you still have to like

14:46SPEAKERpress the button to queue it up

14:47SPEAKERand tell it to wait for the internet connection

14:49SPEAKERso that somebody just can't hack your stuff

14:50SPEAKERand turn it on remotely.

14:52SPEAKERAnd also, I think when the power went out

14:54SPEAKERand it reset a few years ago,

14:56SPEAKERI maybe never connected it back to the wifi.

14:58SPEAKER- Nice, well now you have to change that clock manually.

15:00SPEAKER- Yeah, probably.

15:01SPEAKER- What else do you get out of the stove

15:02SPEAKERbeing internet connected besides the clock?

15:05SPEAKER- You can turn the oven on like with your phone.

15:08SPEAKERSo like if you put say a roast in the oven

15:10SPEAKERwhen you leave for work,

15:12SPEAKERthe theory is when you put a roast in the oven

15:14SPEAKERwhen you leave for work in the morning,

15:15SPEAKERyou can turn it on at like two o'clock

15:17SPEAKERand it'll be exactly right when you get home at five.

15:19SPEAKER- Interesting.

15:20SPEAKER- In reality, I'm never ever going to do that.

15:23SPEAKER- I don't know that I'd want to leave the roast just out.

15:25SPEAKER- Well, I think you freeze it a little bit first

15:27SPEAKERor something. - Okay, sure.

15:28SPEAKER- It's fine enough for a few hours, it'll be okay.

15:31SPEAKER- Sure.

15:33SPEAKER- I wanted to like get data.

15:35SPEAKERI wanted to know like how much gas was going through

15:37SPEAKERat any given moment, but it doesn't do anything.

15:38SPEAKER- Oh, that would be great, that'd be cool.

15:40SPEAKERDo you, boy, this is getting way off topic.

15:42SPEAKERHave you paid much attention to the recent concern

15:47SPEAKERabout safety concern around the gas ranges?

15:50SPEAKER- The carbon monoxide stuff?

15:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:52SPEAKER- Yeah, we have carbon monoxide sensors

15:54SPEAKERall through the house, so I'm okay with it.

15:55SPEAKER- Okay.

15:57SPEAKER- Also our house is real leaky, so we're probably fine.

15:59SPEAKER- Helps you to cycle the air.

16:01SPEAKER- I just have a low grade headache

16:02SPEAKERand I'm kind of tired all the time, but it seems okay.

16:06SPEAKERIt was a little, I mean, I'll tell you,

16:08SPEAKERwe have carbon monoxide sensors

16:10SPEAKERand carbon dioxide sensors in the house.

16:14SPEAKERWhen it was hot a couple years ago during fire season

16:18SPEAKERand we had to leave the windows closed all the time

16:19SPEAKERbecause of all the smoke, it was a little concerning

16:23SPEAKERhow high the carbon, like we would see like 1600 PPMs

16:25SPEAKERof carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide in the house

16:28SPEAKERafter a few days and we would have to like mask up

16:30SPEAKERand open the windows and air it out

16:32SPEAKERand then turn on the air filters really high

16:33SPEAKERand take the masks off after a while.

16:36SPEAKER- California.

16:36SPEAKER- California sucks.

16:39SPEAKER- All right, but daylight savings time, Brad.

16:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:41SPEAKER- So yeah, the car clock is the one that I always forget

16:44SPEAKER'cause that one doesn't update automatically.

16:46SPEAKER- Interesting, even your new one?

16:49SPEAKER- I don't know.

16:50SPEAKERI haven't had it for daylight savings time yet, I guess.

16:51SPEAKERWe got it after.

16:52SPEAKER- Find out tomorrow.

16:53SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe it's on the wifi.

16:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so we've got like three analog wall clocks,

16:59SPEAKERthe stove and microwave.

17:00SPEAKERI've got a clock radio alarm clock.

17:04SPEAKER- Wow.

17:05SPEAKER- And I think that's about it around here,

17:06SPEAKERbut I don't know what it is.

17:08SPEAKERI just find it pretty satisfying to go around.

17:10SPEAKERIt's just like a fun little twice a year chore ritual.

17:13SPEAKER- You like the ritual.

17:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:15SPEAKER- I like that.

17:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's delighting in the mundane details of life

17:18SPEAKERis a good way to get through, I find.

17:20SPEAKER- Should we start with some myths?

17:26SPEAKER- Yeah, so I had kind of jotted down some stuff

17:28SPEAKERI had heard over the years,

17:30SPEAKERwhich is here's the first thing I wrote here

17:32SPEAKERwas I've always heard daylight savings time

17:33SPEAKERbegan as a world war thing, I think world war one.

17:36SPEAKERAnd then we went and researched some of the history

17:38SPEAKERand indeed it did officially begin

17:40SPEAKERfor the first time during world war one.

17:42SPEAKER- Well, that's when it got popular.

17:44SPEAKERIt actually began in Canada in like 1908.

17:46SPEAKER- That's fair.

17:47SPEAKER- That's the first place that tried it in,

17:48SPEAKERI think Newfoundland.

17:49SPEAKER- You know what?

17:50SPEAKERI am guilty here.

17:50SPEAKERI did not note the couple of like Canadian cities

17:53SPEAKERthat adopted it first.

17:55SPEAKERThey should get the credit, I suppose.

17:56SPEAKER- Canada was a thought leader on daylight savings time.

17:59SPEAKERThanks Canada.

18:00SPEAKER- Yes.

18:01SPEAKER- Yeah, they did it as like an energy production thing

18:04SPEAKERin world war two.

18:05SPEAKERSo you'd have to use less coal and stuff

18:07SPEAKERto heat your houses 'cause theoretically you'd stay up.

18:10SPEAKERThe sun would be up later and then you'd go to bed.

18:12SPEAKER- Yeah, this literally says here conserving coal

18:15SPEAKERduring war time was the first time.

18:17SPEAKERSo Germany and Austria, Hungary during world war one

18:19SPEAKERwere the first countries to officially make it nationwide.

18:22SPEAKER- So efficient.

18:25SPEAKERThe world war two reasoning in the UK at least

18:28SPEAKERwas different.

18:29SPEAKERSo they were getting bombed by the Germans fairly regularly.

18:32SPEAKERAnd as a result, they had,

18:35SPEAKERthis is my grandmother told me stories about this

18:36SPEAKERwhen I was a kid 'cause she grew up in England in the war.

18:40SPEAKERAnd they would, like, if you had cars,

18:43SPEAKERyou had to shutter the lights.

18:44SPEAKERSo the light only pointed in a tiny pool down

18:46SPEAKERjust in front of the car.

18:47SPEAKERStreet lights, all your windows had to be blacked out.

18:50SPEAKEREverything was blacked out.

18:50SPEAKERAnd like there were wardens who would walk around

18:53SPEAKERfrom house to house if you had light showing

18:55SPEAKERbecause the German bombers would fly over at night

18:58SPEAKERand they'd look for light sources

18:59SPEAKERand just huck a bomb or two at the light sources.

19:01SPEAKER- Wow.

19:02SPEAKER- So like if your neighbor left their,

19:04SPEAKERlike look, imagine if not wearing a mask in America today

19:08SPEAKERresulted in Germans bombing you.

19:10SPEAKER- I was gonna say this is such a sign of the times

19:12SPEAKERthat before you even said that,

19:13SPEAKERall I was sitting here thinking was about the current,

19:15SPEAKERlike lack of cohesion, social cohesion about mask mandates.

19:18SPEAKERLike it immediately made me think,

19:20SPEAKERwonder what life would be like in this country right now

19:23SPEAKERif we were trying not to get bombed.

19:24SPEAKER- Yeah, so like a person or two in every neighborhood

19:28SPEAKERwould do the walk every night and they'd call out,

19:30SPEAKERlet people know if their shutters were showing.

19:33SPEAKERYou'd get like yelled at by the government

19:35SPEAKERif you had too much light coming through.

19:39SPEAKERAnd they did double daylight savings time

19:41SPEAKERin World War II in the UK, British double summertime

19:45SPEAKERor BDST.

19:47SPEAKER- British double summertime, that's a cool phrase.

19:49SPEAKER- Basically one year they didn't fall back

19:51SPEAKERand then the next year they sprung forward again.

19:54SPEAKERSo effectively at like 10 o'clock at night

19:56SPEAKERin the summer, 11 o'clock at night in summer,

19:58SPEAKERsometimes it would be still sunny out.

20:00SPEAKERSo you'd have plenty of time to like get home,

20:03SPEAKERdo all the stuff you needed to do

20:04SPEAKERbefore the lights turned out

20:05SPEAKERand you had to turn off all the lights

20:06SPEAKERand shutter all your windows and all that stuff.

20:08SPEAKER- That's wild to think about from a historical perspective.

20:11SPEAKERLike I am a gigantic nerd for World War II era history

20:15SPEAKERof all stripes, but like when you put it that way

20:18SPEAKERthat they had multiple summers in which to like

20:20SPEAKERkeep leapfrogging their daylight savings time,

20:22SPEAKERlike it really makes you realize what an absolute grind

20:25SPEAKERthat must have been to live through even as a civilian.

20:27SPEAKER- Well, the other thing that she told me is that in London,

20:29SPEAKERthey took all of, in most of the UK,

20:31SPEAKERthey took all of the street signs down

20:34SPEAKERso that when the Germans invaded,

20:35SPEAKERthey'd have a hard time knowing where they were.

20:37SPEAKER- Wow.

20:39SPEAKER- So like basically they inconvenienced the shit

20:41SPEAKERout of the entire population on the off chance

20:43SPEAKERthe Germans were gonna invade.

20:44SPEAKER- Oh, Operation Sea Lion was just a pipe dream.

20:46SPEAKEREverybody knows that.

20:48SPEAKER- Anyway, well, they didn't know it at the time.

20:49SPEAKER- No, I suppose not.

20:51SPEAKER- But they often would find like a GIs walking around

20:54SPEAKERcompletely lost and you'd have to like, yeah.

20:58SPEAKER- You know what, I'm not gonna begrudge anything

21:00SPEAKERthat anybody did to try to get by in the course of that war.

21:02SPEAKER- Yeah, no, good going, nice job everybody.

21:05SPEAKER- So real quick, just to kind of fill out the history

21:08SPEAKERa little bit here, it looks like it was retired

21:09SPEAKERafter World War I, there was kind of a big intermission

21:11SPEAKERand it didn't come back until World War II

21:13SPEAKERand then maybe you're almost old enough to remember this.

21:17SPEAKERIt looks like it maybe fell off again after World War II

21:22SPEAKERand it was only in the 70s when it really became

21:24SPEAKERlike a true institution here, is that correct?

21:27SPEAKER- Federally legislated until the--

21:30SPEAKER- The energy crisis in 70s. - Energy crisis, yeah.

21:33SPEAKER- So I've never known a time without it,

21:34SPEAKERso I just assumed it had been around for like a century

21:36SPEAKERor something, but it seems a little spottier than that.

21:38SPEAKER- Well, the weird thing is before, let's see,

21:41SPEAKERI wrote it down here, before the Universal Time Act,

21:46SPEAKERwhich was the thing that changed this in the 70s.

21:49SPEAKERWell, there was one in the 60s and one in the 70s, I think.

21:55SPEAKERThe way we did time the United States at least

21:57SPEAKERwas pretty chaotic, like towns and cities

22:00SPEAKERwould maintain their own time standards.

22:02SPEAKER- I had no idea about this.

22:04SPEAKERThis sounds completely ludicrous.

22:06SPEAKER- Yeah, so like if you were driving from Asheville

22:08SPEAKERto Johnson City, you know, over the mountain 45 minutes,

22:11SPEAKERif one, you might have to change your watch

22:14SPEAKERby like 20 minutes in the course of that journey

22:17SPEAKERbecause Johnson City's clock was bad.

22:19SPEAKER- You might get there before you left?

22:21SPEAKER- Yeah, like look, you could have all sorts of,

22:23SPEAKERif you weren't careful, you could end up

22:24SPEAKERbeing your own grandfather, Brad.

22:26SPEAKER- Jeez, yeah.

22:29SPEAKER- Well, and some cities would do Daylight Savings Time,

22:31SPEAKERsome counties would, some states would,

22:34SPEAKERsome places just didn't.

22:35SPEAKERAnd so the Universal Time Act said,

22:37SPEAKERhey, here's the standard, here's the time zones.

22:40SPEAKERWe mostly agree to these now, but for the most part,

22:43SPEAKERwe're gonna stick to this.

22:44SPEAKERAnd also states can opt out of Daylight Savings Time,

22:48SPEAKERbut they can't opt in for a year round.

22:51SPEAKERSo like Arizona and bits and pieces of Indianapolis,

22:55SPEAKERIndiana, and I think for a while, Montana, or Michigan,

22:59SPEAKERdidn't buy into Daylight Savings Time.

23:01SPEAKERNow Michigan eventually got on board.

23:05SPEAKERIndianapolis is still Eastern Time,

23:07SPEAKERwhile the rest of the state's Central Time.

23:10SPEAKERThe, or still doesn't do Daylight Savings Time,

23:13SPEAKERor I can't, Indianapolis is weird,

23:15SPEAKERjust don't go to Indianapolis, sorry Indianapolis.

23:17SPEAKER- Boy.

23:18SPEAKER- Arizona doesn't do it because keeping the lights on later

23:23SPEAKERraises energy costs, is their argument.

23:25SPEAKERSo, and we can talk about this in the myths

23:28SPEAKERand Apocrypha category, but like the idea,

23:31SPEAKERone of the ideas of Daylight Savings Time is that,

23:33SPEAKERhey, the lights are out later,

23:34SPEAKERyou don't have to use as much energy.

23:36SPEAKERBut that made a lot of sense when like most of our energy

23:39SPEAKERuse was for lighting, but once our energy use shifted

23:42SPEAKERfrom lighting to cooling and heat,

23:44SPEAKERit stopped making as much sense,

23:46SPEAKER'cause it's way more expensive to cool a place

23:48SPEAKERthan it is to turn on a light bulb.

23:50SPEAKERAnd yeah, so Arizona doesn't do Daylight Savings Time.

23:53SPEAKERAlso, Arizona's got to always has to be weird

23:56SPEAKER'cause it's fucking Arizona, so.

23:57SPEAKER- Sure.

23:58SPEAKER- But they're special.

23:59SPEAKER- No offense to them.

24:00SPEAKER- They're like the West Texas.

24:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that helps clarify things

24:03SPEAKERbecause there's a bunch of states have either passed

24:05SPEAKERor at least entertained bills

24:07SPEAKERthat would make Daylight Savings Time permanent,

24:10SPEAKERbut that can't go into effect

24:11SPEAKERunless Congress federally passes a law.

24:14SPEAKERAnd so that got me wondering like,

24:15SPEAKERwell, wait, how does Arizona opt out?

24:17SPEAKERBut apparently you can opt out,

24:19SPEAKERbut you cannot opt into permanent without federal say so.

24:23SPEAKER- Yeah, so the first time they passed the law,

24:25SPEAKERthey said you couldn't opt out

24:26SPEAKERunless you did it as a whole state, which Arizona did.

24:28SPEAKERThe second time they said you could opt out

24:31SPEAKERas a portion of a state,

24:32SPEAKERbut only based on the existing time zone lines.

24:34SPEAKERSo like Tennessee, which is like the part from Knoxville,

24:38SPEAKEREast is basically Eastern time.

24:40SPEAKERThe part from the West side of Knoxville West

24:42SPEAKERis Central time.

24:44SPEAKERIf Tennessee wanted to say, okay,

24:46SPEAKERWestern Tennessee is not gonna opt

24:48SPEAKERinto Daylight Savings Time,

24:49SPEAKERbut Eastern Tennessee is, they totally could.

24:52SPEAKERYeah, it's weird.

24:54SPEAKERAnd something like what, 20 states,

24:56SPEAKER19 or 20 states have said,

24:57SPEAKERhey, we would do permanent Daylight Savings Time

25:00SPEAKERif the feds let us?

25:01SPEAKER- No, thank you.

25:03SPEAKERNo, I'm good.

25:04SPEAKER- I like Daylight Savings Time.

25:05SPEAKER- No, I don't think. - Really?

25:07SPEAKER- I mean, I appreciate it for when it's in effect.

25:10SPEAKERI don't think I would want it all.

25:11SPEAKERI don't know, man, I'm torn.

25:13SPEAKERI'm very torn.

25:14SPEAKER- I like the late sun.

25:15SPEAKERI don't like being up in the morning.

25:18SPEAKER- Well, anyway, we should get into the,

25:20SPEAKERwe're all over the place today.

25:22SPEAKER- Dude, we have all these bullet points here

25:23SPEAKERand we're not following them.

25:25SPEAKERI'm wrapping my rule book here.

25:27SPEAKER- No, no, no, okay, you bust out your gavel, Brad.

25:31SPEAKER- Let's see.

25:32SPEAKER- You wanna bounce back to the myths and apocrypha?

25:35SPEAKER- Well, so there is kind of an argument

25:38SPEAKERfor doing away with it.

25:39SPEAKERI don't know if we wanna get into that now

25:41SPEAKERor if that's an end of episode thing.

25:43SPEAKER- Let's do pros and cons at the end.

25:45SPEAKER- Okay, I mean, there's something I wrote down here.

25:47SPEAKERThis was kind of an aside that occurred to me

25:49SPEAKERas we were planning this episode,

25:50SPEAKERbut I don't know about you,

25:52SPEAKERbut I have had a really interesting experience of time

25:55SPEAKERover the last 18 months.

25:57SPEAKER- Because everything's the same every day?

25:59SPEAKER- Literally because of being in this westward-facing

26:02SPEAKERapartment almost 24/7 for 18 months, right?

26:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:07SPEAKER- In my working life, I've never had an experience of that

26:09SPEAKER'cause you're basically the same, right?

26:11SPEAKERUnless you've worked from home permanently,

26:12SPEAKERwhich most people don't.

26:13SPEAKER- I have for the last five years.

26:15SPEAKER- Well, that's fair.

26:16SPEAKER- Six years.

26:17SPEAKER- But you're commuting to and from places,

26:18SPEAKERyou're seeing different things at different times of day.

26:20SPEAKERIt's hard to like, you don't have like a standard candle,

26:24SPEAKERlet's say.

26:24SPEAKER- I've never had much of a schedule.

26:26SPEAKER- You don't have a standard frame,

26:27SPEAKERlike physical, like the locational frame of reference

26:30SPEAKERfor how time changes over the course of the year, right?

26:33SPEAKERBut like our living room faces directly west

26:36SPEAKERout toward the ocean.

26:37SPEAKERAnd so we've got a consistent skyline.

26:40SPEAKERLike I've become really acutely aware over the last,

26:43SPEAKERover the work from home of like how daylight lengthens

26:45SPEAKERand shortens as the year progresses.

26:48SPEAKERThe angle of the sun, because I've got this,

26:51SPEAKERyou know, I've got all these other apartment buildings

26:53SPEAKERout the window, I can like vary.

26:55SPEAKERIt's almost like a sundial, you know, for the year

26:57SPEAKERwhere it's like, wow, the sun was way over there

26:59SPEAKERto the right in June.

27:01SPEAKERAnd now it's way over here to the left.

27:03SPEAKER- Well, being able to see where,

27:06SPEAKERlike A, because we're further north,

27:08SPEAKERthe sun goes further up and down the coast in its setting.

27:11SPEAKERBut yeah, being able to see that west facing sunset

27:14SPEAKERand know that like in the summer it's gonna set 30 degrees

27:17SPEAKERto the right of where it sets in the winter time.

27:20SPEAKER- Right.

27:21SPEAKER- Is crazy.

27:22SPEAKER- It's, you know, like obviously we all learn

27:25SPEAKERabout the axial tilt of the planet growing up

27:27SPEAKERand stuff like that.

27:28SPEAKERLike, you know these things scientifically,

27:31SPEAKERbut you don't really, like my commute schedule,

27:34SPEAKERmy work schedule was such that most,

27:35SPEAKERlike a good chunk of the year I got home

27:37SPEAKERafter it was dark, right?

27:38SPEAKERSo I just didn't see that.

27:39SPEAKERBut like tracking that every day for a year and a half

27:42SPEAKERhas been kind of really cool and eye-opening.

27:44SPEAKER- So we've lived in this house for 14 years now.

27:48SPEAKERAnd as a result,

27:50SPEAKERlike when I started doing the home automation stuff,

27:51SPEAKERI got the first taste of this.

27:52SPEAKER'Cause I was like, why is it always dark in the living room

27:54SPEAKERin the winter time or in the summer time

27:57SPEAKERearlier than it is in the winter time?

27:58SPEAKERThat doesn't make any sense.

27:59SPEAKERBut it's because our windows face south

28:01SPEAKERand in the winter time,

28:04SPEAKERand also there's a mountain that covers like two thirds

28:06SPEAKERof the south and a little tiny bit of the west, right?

28:10SPEAKERSo the sun goes down way, way, way, way, way

28:12SPEAKERearlier in the winter time and way, way, way, way, way.

28:15SPEAKERAnd even though it goes up down later,

28:17SPEAKERwe don't get as much direct light in

28:18SPEAKER'cause the sun's further around to the north

28:21SPEAKERin the winter, in the summer time.

28:22SPEAKER- That's really rough.

28:23SPEAKERActually being in this apartment, I mean,

28:25SPEAKERSan Francisco, at least this part of the city is on a grid

28:28SPEAKERthat directly is kind of perpendicular to the coastline.

28:31SPEAKERSo you get that nice east-west, but like living in here,

28:35SPEAKERI'm sure, you know, if you're buying a house,

28:36SPEAKERyou don't have a lot of choice in this regard,

28:38SPEAKERbut like I would love to keep living

28:41SPEAKERin this like rigidly east-west facing situation

28:45SPEAKERfor the rest of my life.

28:46SPEAKER'Cause getting these sunsets and sunrises

28:47SPEAKERon either end of the domicile is pretty nice.

28:51SPEAKER- It's funny 'cause like the realtors will tell you

28:53SPEAKERthat having a south facing exposure is more desirable

28:56SPEAKER'cause you get more even sun throughout the day.

28:59SPEAKERBut I tend to agree with you when you're someplace

29:01SPEAKERthat you actually have good sunsets and like ocean and stuff.

29:03SPEAKER- Just from a kind of relaxation standpoint,

29:06SPEAKERlike sitting in the living room and seeing a nice sunset

29:08SPEAKERis nice, but also it avoids the problem

29:10SPEAKERyou were talking about of like even as the angle changes

29:13SPEAKERthroughout the year, like we're still west facing enough

29:16SPEAKERthat we still get enough direct light through

29:18SPEAKERin the afternoons, regardless of which side it's on.

29:21SPEAKERBut it sounds like you guys are just missing out.

29:23SPEAKER- Well, the weird thing is like there's really good,

29:27SPEAKERlike the axial tilt is easy to programmatically account for

29:30SPEAKERin like the home automation stuff.

29:32SPEAKERBut the fact that there's a mountain over like half

29:34SPEAKERof the southern exposure is impossible.

29:36SPEAKERI just have to change the time offset every few months,

29:39SPEAKERevery few weeks during the winter time

29:41SPEAKERuntil the lights turn on at the right time, basically.

29:43SPEAKER- Right, 'cause they're not giving you sunset data

29:45SPEAKERwith that level of precision.

29:47SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

29:48SPEAKERSo anyway.

29:50SPEAKER- Is there anything in Home Assistant,

29:52SPEAKERI generally don't touch my,

29:54SPEAKERI set it up a couple of years ago, early last year,

29:56SPEAKERand have not really touched anything,

29:58SPEAKERbut is there anything I should go look at in there

29:59SPEAKERthat I could mess with in terms of like,

30:01SPEAKERah, I should change the sunset offset

30:03SPEAKERon these lights coming on by 20 minutes or something?

30:06SPEAKER- Well, so I usually err on the earlier side

30:08SPEAKERthan the later side,

30:09SPEAKER'cause it's better to be light early than dark late.

30:13SPEAKERSo what I should do is write a script

30:15SPEAKERthat just changes it every 10 minutes,

30:16SPEAKERlike by a minute every day.

30:18SPEAKER- Ooh, I'm gonna write a script on how we're talking.

30:20SPEAKER- I don't know, that seems like a lot of work though.

30:23SPEAKERBut it's interesting,

30:25SPEAKERthe intersection of human construction and like the sun,

30:32SPEAKERbecause there's a couple of days a year,

30:34SPEAKERthis is a weird, incredibly specific to my living room.

30:37SPEAKERThere's a couple of days a year

30:39SPEAKERwhere my front door is perfectly aligned with the sun,

30:42SPEAKERsuch that the peephole on my front door focuses a circle

30:47SPEAKERthat's about three inches around

30:48SPEAKERon the wall opposite the peephole.

30:50SPEAKER- Wow.

30:51SPEAKER- And it happens usually for two or three days

30:54SPEAKERon either side of each equinox, I believe.

30:58SPEAKER- Okay. - Equinox, yeah.

30:59SPEAKER- So the equinox is when we're, the days are most even.

31:04SPEAKERWe're halfway around.

31:05SPEAKER- We're halfway between the longest

31:06SPEAKERand the shortest day of the year.

31:07SPEAKER- Exactly.

31:08SPEAKER- And those are the solstice?

31:09SPEAKER- Spring, no, equinox is the summer

31:11SPEAKERand is the fall and spring.

31:13SPEAKER- No, no, I mean the longest and shortest days are the--

31:15SPEAKER- The longest and shortest are the solstices.

31:16SPEAKER- Are the solstices, right, yeah.

31:17SPEAKERWhich ones, there's a vernal equinox, right?

31:20SPEAKER- Vernal is autumn.

31:21SPEAKER- What's the other one, can you name them all?

31:23SPEAKERThat's the only one I can come up with.

31:25SPEAKER- Well, summer solstice and winter solstice

31:27SPEAKERand vernal equinox and I don't know what the spring one's

31:30SPEAKERcalled, I think vernal summer, spring, fall,

31:32SPEAKERmaybe vernal spring, I can't remember.

31:34SPEAKER- Vernal, let's see, oh, it varies by hemisphere.

31:37SPEAKER- Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:38SPEAKER- In the northern hemisphere, the March equinox

31:40SPEAKERis the vernal or spring equinox.

31:42SPEAKERWell, the September equinox is called

31:46SPEAKERthe autumnal or fall equinox.

31:47SPEAKER- Oh, well, that's impressive.

31:50SPEAKER- Yes, and it's the reverse in the southern.

31:52SPEAKER- So there's other famous examples of this intersection

31:56SPEAKERof human construction.

31:58SPEAKER- Can I stop you real quick before you get into that

31:59SPEAKER'cause A, I want to hear this word

32:01SPEAKERbecause it's the actual title of the episode,

32:02SPEAKERbut B, with your peephole focusing the light,

32:06SPEAKERare we talking a focusing as of a magnifying glass,

32:09SPEAKERlike you could fry stuff?

32:11SPEAKER- That was my initial concern when I saw this happen

32:13SPEAKERthe first time, but no, it is like a three

32:15SPEAKERor four inch circle, so it's fine.

32:17SPEAKERI tried putting a piece of paper

32:19SPEAKERand running it along the entire length of the hole

32:21SPEAKERand the peephole does not focus it in such a way

32:23SPEAKERthat it will light things on fire at the focal range

32:25SPEAKERbecause it is extant inside my house, sadly.

32:29SPEAKERI think next time I might put a magnifying glass

32:32SPEAKERin front of it though.

32:33SPEAKER- You should do that, you should definitely do that.

32:34SPEAKER- What could go wrong?

32:37SPEAKERSorry, go ahead.

32:38SPEAKER- Say the word.

32:40SPEAKER- Okay, so have you heard of Manhattanhenge?

32:42SPEAKER- I have not until five minutes before this podcast

32:44SPEAKERand you said it and then I started to Google pictures of it

32:47SPEAKERand you were like, no, stop, because man, it looked cool.

32:50SPEAKER- So Manhattanhenge happens because Manhattan

32:52SPEAKERis aligned on a grid, the streets all line up

32:54SPEAKEReach other perfectly, so two days a year,

32:58SPEAKERthe sun lines up, the setting or rising sun lines up

33:01SPEAKERwith the grid of the city and as a result,

33:05SPEAKERthe light shines directly down each column,

33:08SPEAKERthe cross streets are totally dark,

33:09SPEAKERI mean, not totally dark, but like the incidental light

33:11SPEAKERbounces around, but like--

33:12SPEAKER- As in shadow as they could get?

33:14SPEAKER- As in shadow as they can get

33:16SPEAKERand it's like the prehistoric observatory effect

33:21SPEAKERwith Stonehenge or the temples in Central America

33:24SPEAKERand stuff like that.

33:25SPEAKER- That's so cool.

33:25SPEAKER- But on the scale of Manhattan.

33:28SPEAKER- If you have not seen this, I'm sure photos

33:30SPEAKERdon't do it justice, but you can Google a bunch of photos

33:32SPEAKERand it looks cool as hell.

33:34SPEAKER- I have, I missed it by like three days one year

33:37SPEAKERand was super, like had I known, I would have just stayed.

33:40SPEAKER- Oh man, here's, I just found an article

33:43SPEAKERon farmersalmanac.com called Here Comes Manhattanhenge,

33:48SPEAKER2021 Dates.

33:49SPEAKER- Yep, there's another place, the Infinite Quarter at MIT,

33:53SPEAKERthis is an incredibly long quarter that runs east west

33:56SPEAKERat MIT and there's a couple of days in the late winter

34:00SPEAKERand early spring or like November and January

34:03SPEAKERon either side of the summer of the winter solstice

34:05SPEAKERwhere it lines up with the sun and when they open doors

34:08SPEAKERon one end, the sun just shines straight through

34:09SPEAKERall the way to the other end.

34:11SPEAKER- Was that engineered or, I mean, being that it's MIT

34:13SPEAKERor was that just an accident, do you know?

34:14SPEAKER- I mean, I think probably the fact that it lined up

34:17SPEAKERis probably an accident, but I don't know for sure.

34:22SPEAKERYeah, so it happens, I'd be curious what other,

34:25SPEAKERI'm sure there's others that people know about,

34:26SPEAKERany city that's on a grid, theoretically,

34:28SPEAKERthis would happen for if there's east west facing streets.

34:32SPEAKERAnd yeah, if you have trouble understanding

34:35SPEAKERwhy the axial tilt changes this,

34:38SPEAKERthe thing I would recommend is to like get a foam ball

34:41SPEAKERand stick a couple of toothpicks in it

34:43SPEAKERso you can hold it on an axis and then get another ball

34:47SPEAKERand literally move it around the sun and you'll see--

34:50SPEAKER- Or a light bulb.

34:51SPEAKER- A light bulb would work, yeah.

34:53SPEAKERYou can see how the, 'cause remember you rotate

34:58SPEAKERall the time, but the axial tilt is static

35:00SPEAKERall the way around.

35:01SPEAKERSo on the summer half of the year,

35:03SPEAKERyour hemisphere faces directly toward the sun

35:06SPEAKERand as a result, the sun is gonna be lower,

35:09SPEAKERlike more toward the south.

35:11SPEAKERIn the winter part of the year,

35:12SPEAKERit's gonna look like it's further north

35:14SPEAKER'cause it's further, I have that backwards.

35:16SPEAKERIt depends on which hemisphere you're at.

35:17SPEAKER- Yeah, but you're right, it's very easy to visualize

35:19SPEAKERwhen you do that little miniature experiment,

35:21SPEAKERbut that was one thing I had glossed over

35:24SPEAKERis that yeah, the further, excuse me, the farther north.

35:28SPEAKERYeah, farther is for physical distances.

35:30SPEAKERAlways get it backwards.

35:31SPEAKER- I didn't know that one.

35:32SPEAKER- Yes, farther is for physical distances,

35:34SPEAKERfurther is for abstract distances.

35:36SPEAKER- Fascinating.

35:37SPEAKER- Such as further forward in time, let's say.

35:41SPEAKERWe will discuss this further.

35:43SPEAKER- Did we talk about the entropy in clocks a few weeks ago?

35:46SPEAKER- Yes. - On the show

35:47SPEAKERor did we just talk about that?

35:48SPEAKER- Did we? - Show.

35:49SPEAKER- I started to say yes, but maybe not.

35:51SPEAKERI think we did.

35:52SPEAKER- I feel like it was a cold open maybe.

35:53SPEAKER- It was the kind of the landmark thermodynamic equations

35:57SPEAKERabout clocks.

35:58SPEAKER- Yeah, the fact that you can't perfectly measure time

36:00SPEAKERwithout infinite entropy.

36:02SPEAKER- Yes, I think we got into that.

36:04SPEAKER- Pros and cons of measuring time precisely, it turns out.

36:07SPEAKER- Anyway, I was gonna say, I was reminded

36:09SPEAKERas I was looking through some of these articles out there

36:11SPEAKERabout like, should we go permanent DST?

36:13SPEAKERShould we abolish it altogether?

36:15SPEAKERThat like, that's, if you hate these changes,

36:18SPEAKERthe best thing you can do is move as close

36:20SPEAKERto the equator as possible.

36:22SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, 'cause then-

36:23SPEAKER- Hawaii, Hawaii, for example, is a great place to be

36:26SPEAKERif you want like early light and late light.

36:29SPEAKER- Well, and yeah, you get also the variation

36:33SPEAKERthroughout the year changes less

36:34SPEAKERthe closer you are to the equator.

36:36SPEAKERAnd once you get inside the tropics,

36:37SPEAKERthe tropic Capricorn and the tropic Cancer,

36:40SPEAKERthen you get minimal variation at all

36:42SPEAKERbecause you're basically getting full sun all the time.

36:44SPEAKER- And also I'm kind of,

36:45SPEAKERI'm sitting here smacking my forehead right now

36:47SPEAKERfor even having forgotten about that stuff.

36:48SPEAKER'Cause you always hear about like Scandinavian countries

36:50SPEAKERand Alaska and places like that,

36:52SPEAKERlike having just god awful amounts of darkness in the winter.

36:55SPEAKER- Well, and so the Arctic Circle and the Antarctic Circle

36:58SPEAKERare the, hey, you're gonna have a bad time

37:01SPEAKERin the winter circles.

37:03SPEAKERThose are the ones that indicate

37:04SPEAKERthat you won't see any sun for some period of time.

37:07SPEAKER- If you're prone to seasonal disaffected,

37:09SPEAKERthis diseffective, wait, seasonal affective disorder.

37:12SPEAKERI'm sorry, seasonal affective disorder.

37:14SPEAKERIf you're prone to that, maybe don't go there.

37:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:18SPEAKERSo, okay, there's myths.

37:20SPEAKERThere's more myths.

37:20SPEAKERThere's a lot of myths.

37:22SPEAKERMy favorite is that the day after springing forward,

37:26SPEAKERthe Monday after springing forward

37:28SPEAKERis the most dangerous day of the year to drive.

37:30SPEAKER- Hmm.

37:31SPEAKER- Do you think it's true or false?

37:33SPEAKER- I, my guess, my gut feeling is that

37:36SPEAKERthere's maybe some kernel of truth there,

37:38SPEAKERbut that it's also a little overblown.

37:40SPEAKERLike I know, obviously sleep deprivation and all that stuff,

37:42SPEAKERbut an hour doesn't seem like

37:45SPEAKERit should make that much difference.

37:47SPEAKER- So there've been a handful of studies

37:49SPEAKERabout jet lag and driving safety.

37:50SPEAKERAnd one of them, most of them agree

37:52SPEAKERthat if you drive with mild jet lag,

37:54SPEAKERwhich is basically what you're doing

37:56SPEAKERon spring forward Monday or sleepy Monday

37:59SPEAKERis what these people call it,

38:02SPEAKERthen you are more likely to have accidents.

38:07SPEAKERSo basically what you're doing is getting in a car on the day

38:10SPEAKERthat everybody's a little bit jet lagged

38:12SPEAKERand you're trucking to work

38:13SPEAKERwhen everybody's still a little sleepy,

38:14SPEAKERmaybe hasn't had enough coffee yet.

38:16SPEAKERAnd there've been a bunch of studies about this

38:19SPEAKERand they've been kind of all over the place.

38:20SPEAKERSo a Minnesota roundup of the studies,

38:24SPEAKERlike basically said, hey, we found 10 studies

38:30SPEAKERthat we validated that are for the theory

38:33SPEAKERthat this is a more dangerous day to drive

38:36SPEAKERand six that we're against.

38:38SPEAKERHowever, the thing that none of these studies take into account

38:43SPEAKERis that when there's more light late in the day,

38:45SPEAKERwhen people are still driving,

38:47SPEAKERthe roads are definitely safer.

38:49SPEAKERLike pushing twilight back an extra hour

38:51SPEAKERso that it happens at 8.30 or nine

38:53SPEAKERinstead of 7.30 or eight is probably,

38:58SPEAKERhas probably seems to have a much greater effect

39:01SPEAKERto the point that like doing year round daylight savings

39:04SPEAKERwould probably save at least a couple of hundred lives a year

39:06SPEAKERin the United States on traffic fatalities

39:09SPEAKERbecause of the reduced danger driving when it's light out.

39:13SPEAKER- I was all ready to come in here

39:14SPEAKERand argue for getting rid of it altogether

39:16SPEAKERand now you have to throw out the saving human life part

39:18SPEAKERand now I'm just gonna be the asshole.

39:20SPEAKER- Brad, if you wanna kill 200 people every year,

39:22SPEAKERyou can get your morning light.

39:25SPEAKER- This is a low blow, this is a low blow, okay.

39:27SPEAKER- Now hold on, hold on, there's more.

39:30SPEAKERThe other side of it is that there's been

39:31SPEAKERsome Scottish studies that they did in the '80s

39:33SPEAKERwhen they were trying to do year round daylight,

39:34SPEAKERor '90s when they were trying to do year round daylight

39:36SPEAKERsavings in the UK that showed that when they did this,

39:39SPEAKERthey did a three year trial at some point

39:40SPEAKERin the '70s or early '80s.

39:42SPEAKERAnd there were a lot more morning traffic accidents

39:45SPEAKERinvolving school children going to school early in the dark.

39:52SPEAKERSo probably those 200 fatalities that you save at night

39:55SPEAKERare completely canceled out by the kids

39:57SPEAKERthat get hit by cars in the morning on the way to school.

39:59SPEAKER- Now who has the moral high ground?

40:01SPEAKER- It's complicated.

40:02SPEAKER- Now we're saving children's lives.

40:04SPEAKERNow, the counter to this is that

40:07SPEAKERlet the kids go to school later.

40:08SPEAKERThey don't have to go to school at seven o'clock

40:10SPEAKERin the morning, let them go at 930 when the sun's up.

40:12SPEAKER- Damn rule benders.

40:13SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, there's another good one about heart attacks.

40:17SPEAKERSo heart attack rate increases

40:19SPEAKERare tied to daylight savings time.

40:20SPEAKERThere've been some studies about this,

40:21SPEAKERthe kind of stuff you see on like the Today Show

40:23SPEAKERin the morning.

40:24SPEAKERAnd as many, like a 24% increase in emergency room visits

40:29SPEAKERfor heart attacks on the days after daylight savings time.

40:34SPEAKER- So that one does surprise me because like driving,

40:36SPEAKERthere's an element of like control, you know?

40:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:39SPEAKER- There's some awareness and you can like mitigate

40:42SPEAKERby being extra alert or whatever, whatever,

40:43SPEAKERdrink more coffee.

40:44SPEAKERBut like heart attacks, obviously you can't control

40:46SPEAKERwhether you have a heart attack or not,

40:47SPEAKERbut I wouldn't think an hour would make that big a difference

40:49SPEAKERfor like cardiac issues.

40:52SPEAKER- Well, so one of the things that,

40:54SPEAKERthere isn't a lot of study on this.

40:55SPEAKERI looked for some stuff and I didn't find anything

40:57SPEAKERthat jumped out as super reputable.

40:59SPEAKERThe one thing that I did see said that basically

41:02SPEAKERthe theory here is that there is a strong correlation

41:08SPEAKERbetween disrupting your sleep patterns

41:09SPEAKERand chances of cardiac events.

41:12SPEAKERSo because you're having a nationwide sleep pattern change

41:18SPEAKERhappening there, probably that's what is the trigger.

41:22SPEAKERLike the, it's not the spring forward or falling back

41:25SPEAKERsince everybody's losing an hour of sleep,

41:27SPEAKERwhich I mean, I guess those two things are directly

41:29SPEAKERconnected because of daylight savings time.

41:31SPEAKERHowever, it's nothing, like if we went,

41:34SPEAKERit's not because the sun is staying up later,

41:36SPEAKERit's because we're changing the time.

41:38SPEAKERIf we stop changing the time,

41:39SPEAKERthat would presumably stop happening.

41:40SPEAKER- Sure, I suspect what I'm actually doing here

41:42SPEAKERis minimizing the amount of sleep disruption.

41:44SPEAKERLike it's probably, it's probably not just the hour

41:47SPEAKERthat you technically lose because people probably

41:49SPEAKERhave a harder time getting to sleep on subsequent nights

41:52SPEAKERbecause of the just jet laggy effects and stuff.

41:54SPEAKER- Well, and you're getting up earlier.

41:56SPEAKERYou know, it's like that feeling you get when you wake up

41:59SPEAKERand you have to get up, you got to put like four o'clock

42:00SPEAKERin the morning to go get on an airplane or something.

42:02SPEAKERYou know, it's not.

42:03SPEAKER- Yeah, like what I'm saying is I bet the cumulative sleep

42:05SPEAKERloss is actually a good bit more than that one hour.

42:08SPEAKER- Yeah, oh, definitely, definitely.

42:13SPEAKERSo yeah, those were the big ones.

42:14SPEAKERFarmers hate daylight savings time, it turns out.

42:16SPEAKER- So, really?

42:19SPEAKERSo I think I was gonna say that was one of the myths

42:20SPEAKERI didn't write down here,

42:21SPEAKERbut I had, like through childhood,

42:24SPEAKERI had always heard it was an agricultural thing

42:26SPEAKERthat started it.

42:27SPEAKERIt was like, oh, they wanted more daylight

42:28SPEAKERin the evenings to harvest or blah, blah, blah.

42:31SPEAKERBut like, no, it was fully a wartime thing

42:34SPEAKERand a corporate thing looking at these bullet points.

42:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, and look,

42:39SPEAKERthere is a convenience, there is a measured benefit

42:43SPEAKERto like outdoor recreation being able to happen

42:47SPEAKERoutside of work in the evening for longer in the year.

42:51SPEAKERAnd like, I don't think anybody's gonna argue

42:53SPEAKERthat going outside more is bad for you.

42:55SPEAKER- No, absolutely not.

42:56SPEAKER- So like, if you can go out and go for a walk in the dark,

43:00SPEAKERI mean, you can go out and go for a walk in the dark.

43:02SPEAKERWhere I live, I might get eaten by a mountain lion

43:03SPEAKERif I do that.

43:04SPEAKERBut like, if you go out, if you have more sun,

43:09SPEAKERthen you might be more likely to go out and go for a walk.

43:10SPEAKERAnd that's probably a net win.

43:12SPEAKER- You're not wrong, but hey,

43:13SPEAKERwhat if instead of moving time and clocks and stuff

43:16SPEAKERall over the place, what if we just didn't require people

43:18SPEAKERto be so goddamn busy for the entirety of the daylight cycle?

43:23SPEAKERLike, what if people just had time to go exercise

43:27SPEAKERin the middle of the day?

43:28SPEAKER- Gina and I were talking about this.

43:29SPEAKERLike, this is a total aside, but like,

43:32SPEAKERwe like, she had to take our daughter to get vaccinated.

43:35SPEAKERLike we're starting to have busy days again

43:38SPEAKERbetween school and afterschool activities

43:39SPEAKERand stuff like that.

43:41SPEAKERIt's, it is, it is not great.

43:45SPEAKERLike being busy all the time sucks.

43:47SPEAKER- Yeah, it's not a good way to live.

43:49SPEAKERYou know why? - No.

43:50SPEAKER- I have come to the realization more and more over time

43:52SPEAKERthat you only get one life and it would be cool

43:54SPEAKERif you didn't spend the entire thing.

43:57SPEAKER- Overbooking is bad.

43:59SPEAKER- Doing bad, yes. - Yes, exactly.

44:01SPEAKER- Maybe if, maybe if the general workforce

44:05SPEAKERhad a little more flexibility, they might all be happier

44:09SPEAKERand more productive and less likely

44:11SPEAKERto be very angry all the time.

44:14SPEAKER- Well, that's a nice thought.

44:15SPEAKER- I don't know, anyway.

44:17SPEAKER- I've got, I've got a, I got a daylight savings factoid.

44:19SPEAKERI thought this one was fake, but it turns out it's true.

44:21SPEAKER- Go on.

44:22SPEAKER- The 2007 extension that added, you know,

44:24SPEAKERdaylight savings time used to be the last weekend,

44:25SPEAKERlast Sunday in March to the last Sunday in October.

44:28SPEAKER- Oh, there was a, there was a specific extension.

44:30SPEAKERI like, I, I never noticed that,

44:32SPEAKERbut that's one of the things I thought coming into this

44:34SPEAKERwas like, it used to seem like it was like less of the year

44:37SPEAKERand it just kind of creeps more and more across the year

44:40SPEAKERas time goes on.

44:41SPEAKER- Well, so they moved it up to the,

44:43SPEAKERto the first Sunday in November, I think,

44:45SPEAKERor second, yeah, first Sunday in November,

44:46SPEAKERwhich is this, you know, today for the listeners.

44:49SPEAKERAnd that happened in 2007.

44:52SPEAKER- Okay.

44:54SPEAKER- I don't know that the candy industry was the driver,

44:56SPEAKERbut they strongly supported this

44:58SPEAKERbecause they wanted Halloween to take place

45:01SPEAKERinside the confines of daylight savings time.

45:03SPEAKER- They sure did.

45:04SPEAKER- It's probably safer too.

45:05SPEAKERFewer kids can get run over by cars

45:06SPEAKERif it's not pitch black out.

45:07SPEAKER- Just as, just as Mother's Day

45:09SPEAKERis such a greeting card holiday.

45:11SPEAKERYeah, daylight savings is such a candy industry holiday.

45:15SPEAKER- Big tree lobby should come out against Mother's Day.

45:20SPEAKER- Look, okay, hold on, I take that back.

45:22SPEAKERI apologize for saying anything bad about Mother's Day.

45:25SPEAKER- I've got nothing against Mother's Day.

45:27SPEAKER- No one should come after Mother's Day.

45:28SPEAKERMother's Day is great.

45:29SPEAKERWe all love Mother's Day.

45:30SPEAKERWe support mothers.

45:31SPEAKER- I was being mildly flip.

45:33SPEAKER- Yes.

45:34SPEAKERI don't want the Mother's Day lobby to come after us, Brad.

45:36SPEAKERWe can't take that kind of heat.

45:37SPEAKER- No.

45:41SPEAKERSo yeah, let's see.

45:42SPEAKERI think that pretty much brings us up to the present.

45:46SPEAKER2007 was like the last major change, right?

45:48SPEAKER- Seems like it.

45:49SPEAKERThere's been constant,

45:50SPEAKERlike there's been kind of movement

45:52SPEAKERon the year round daylight savings time front though.

45:55SPEAKERAlthough I do think if we do that,

45:56SPEAKERwe'll have to like school in the United States is fraught

46:00SPEAKERbecause for a pretty significant portion

46:03SPEAKERof the population, as we learned in the last year,

46:06SPEAKERschool is synonymous with daycare for their children

46:10SPEAKERfor a lot of people here.

46:12SPEAKERSo like if we start, if the sun starts coming up later,

46:16SPEAKERthen we gotta push school start times back

46:18SPEAKERso that people don't get hit by cars and I don't know.

46:21SPEAKERIt's complicated.

46:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:23SPEAKERSo I think the last thing to talk about here

46:24SPEAKERis this Bloomberg story you sent me from 2015.

46:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:28SPEAKER- Makes a pretty strong case

46:29SPEAKERfor just getting rid of daylight savings time.

46:31SPEAKER- Yes.

46:32SPEAKERJust permanent daylight savings time all the time, exactly.

46:33SPEAKER- Nope, getting rid of it as in it doesn't exist anymore.

46:36SPEAKER- Yep, we just spring forward once and then never fall back.

46:38SPEAKER- Nope, nope.

46:39SPEAKERLike we're on the time that God intended,

46:42SPEAKERwhich is not daylight savings time.

46:45SPEAKERThe title of the story is

46:46SPEAKERthe maps that prove the daylight saving cycle

46:48SPEAKERis ruining our lives.

46:49SPEAKER- God couldn't build a clock, Brad.

46:51SPEAKER- No, apparently not.

46:53SPEAKERThey cite, the story cites a lot of the same statistics

46:56SPEAKERyou did about it no longer reduces electric demand

47:00SPEAKERlike it used to, messes up sleep schedules.

47:03SPEAKERLike they cite $400 million in economic losses a year.

47:07SPEAKER- I'm incredibly skeptical of those numbers

47:10SPEAKERjust for the record.

47:11SPEAKER- In addition to the traffic accidents,

47:12SPEAKERheart attacks, seasonal affective, et cetera, et cetera.

47:15SPEAKERBut the actual basis,

47:18SPEAKERI'll put the link for the story in the show notes.

47:22SPEAKERAre you familiar?

47:22SPEAKERI'm not familiar with a group called Access Maps,

47:24SPEAKERbut one of their cartographers, Andy Woodruff,

47:26SPEAKERproduced some maps about daylight savings time.

47:29SPEAKERIs that, does Access Maps mean anything to you?

47:31SPEAKER- No.

47:32SPEAKER- I should have maybe checked.

47:33SPEAKER- I worry with that name

47:35SPEAKERthat they have some sort of unfortunate.

47:38SPEAKER- Wait, we're not getting back

47:39SPEAKERinto World War II stuff, are we?

47:41SPEAKER- I hope not.

47:41SPEAKER(laughing)

47:44SPEAKER- Maybe I should stop.

47:45SPEAKER- Oh, no, no, they're just a map consulting agency.

47:48SPEAKER- Yes, they are, yes, they are.

47:49SPEAKERSo we bring these traditions of cartography to the web,

47:51SPEAKERthey say.

47:52SPEAKERI should have looked them up before I cited this,

47:54SPEAKERbut I mean-

47:55SPEAKER- You think Bloomberg ran it out?

47:56SPEAKERLook-

47:57SPEAKER- How untrustworthy could it be?

47:58SPEAKER- Oh yeah, Bloomberg's fine.

47:59SPEAKERI always think about fortune.

48:00SPEAKERDo you think that these are like the people

48:01SPEAKERwho came out on that episode of West Wing?

48:04SPEAKERThe Big Block of Cheese episode,

48:05SPEAKERwhen they come in and they're like,

48:06SPEAKERhey, we used the wrong projection for the map

48:08SPEAKERso everything looks, the North States look big

48:10SPEAKERand the South States look small?

48:12SPEAKER- I've never actually seen the West Wing.

48:13SPEAKER- Oh my God.

48:14SPEAKERYou don't need to watch the West Wing

48:16SPEAKERto appreciate the Big Block of Cheese episode.

48:18SPEAKERThat's all I'm gonna say.

48:19SPEAKER- What are you just talking about?

48:20SPEAKERData being massaged?

48:21SPEAKER- They, so, oh God, okay.

48:23SPEAKERI'm gonna recap a 30-year-old TV, 20-year-old TV show.

48:26SPEAKERAndrew Johnson, or I don't know,

48:29SPEAKERone of the bad Tennessee presidents

48:31SPEAKERput a big block of cheese once a year in the White House

48:33SPEAKERand people could come in and have a piece of cheese.

48:35SPEAKER- Oh, this is historical?

48:36SPEAKER- As told through the lens of the West Wing, yes.

48:38SPEAKER- Apocryphal?

48:39SPEAKEROkay.

48:40SPEAKER- Possibly apocryphal.

48:41SPEAKER- Okay.

48:42SPEAKERSorkin-ful.

48:44SPEAKERIt is a perfect Sorkin story.

48:49SPEAKERLike the idea is that you could come

48:50SPEAKERand pitch your thing that government

48:53SPEAKERshould try to address during that one day.

48:54SPEAKERLike anybody could come.

48:56SPEAKERAnd so they got a lot, they had a process

48:58SPEAKERwhere they did a bunch of applications every year

49:01SPEAKERand then they would pick the ones

49:02SPEAKERand like some of them were like,

49:03SPEAKERwe should get rid of the penny people.

49:05SPEAKERLike it's the kooks, Brad.

49:07SPEAKEROne of them is the map, the remapping people,

49:10SPEAKERthe people who are like, hey,

49:11SPEAKERwe used the wrong projection for the map.

49:13SPEAKERThe one we use is entirely Western centric.

49:15SPEAKERIt's Northern hemisphere and Western hemisphere focused.

49:18SPEAKERIt's designed to make the places that are small look big

49:21SPEAKERso that it looks like United States and Russia

49:23SPEAKERare the two biggest places in the world.

49:26SPEAKERAnd yada, yada, yada.

49:27SPEAKERAnyway, it's a good episode.

49:29SPEAKERYou should watch it.

49:29SPEAKERIt stands on its own.

49:30SPEAKER- Okay.

49:31SPEAKERI assume these assertions can be checked.

49:35SPEAKERLike I assume other people could produce,

49:36SPEAKERyou know, peer review this stuff.

49:38SPEAKER- Okay, so the thing about the economic losses and spend,

49:41SPEAKERit is such a, like the daylight savings time shift.

49:45SPEAKERIt's like the traffic fatalities, right?

49:48SPEAKERIt's like the traffic accidents.

49:49SPEAKERLike if you just look at accidents that happened

49:51SPEAKERduring the morning commute,

49:52SPEAKERyes, it's easy to look at those numbers

49:54SPEAKERand make what seems like a cohesive argument

49:57SPEAKERin the full picture.

49:58SPEAKERWhen you look at the overall trend of like, you know,

50:01SPEAKERhow many lives are saved during the 830 to 930 window

50:05SPEAKERwhen it's light, when it wouldn't be all summer long

50:08SPEAKERbecause there aren't traffic accident,

50:09SPEAKERthe traffic accident rate is reduced during that time period.

50:12SPEAKERIt changes the dynamic entirely.

50:14SPEAKERAnd it's really, really complicated.

50:16SPEAKER- Of course, of course.

50:17SPEAKERSorry, I should have been more specific.

50:18SPEAKERI'm talking specifically about these maps produced

50:21SPEAKERby Andy Woodruff of Access Maps

50:24SPEAKERbecause all these maps show is,

50:25SPEAKERso he starts out by defining a reasonable sunrise time

50:29SPEAKERand a reasonable sunset time.

50:31SPEAKERReasonable sunrises are 7 a.m. or earlier.

50:33SPEAKERReasonable sunset times are 5 p.m. or later, right?

50:37SPEAKER- Who is he to say who the sunrise and sunset time is?

50:39SPEAKER- All I'm saying, these are basically

50:42SPEAKERUnited States heat maps.

50:43SPEAKERAgain, I'll link this.

50:44SPEAKERLike it kind of shows like by time zone

50:47SPEAKERwhere in the country, how many days a year

50:49SPEAKERyou're getting these reasonable sunsets and sunrises

50:51SPEAKERbased on where you are in different time zones, right?

50:53SPEAKERSo like that could be checked.

50:54SPEAKERLike that's objective data.

50:55SPEAKERThat's not interpreting traffic fatality statistics and stuff.

50:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:00SPEAKER- But the argument, in fact, not even the argument,

51:02SPEAKERlike what these maps show is that

51:06SPEAKERif daylight savings time were abolished,

51:08SPEAKERwe would be getting basically the same number

51:11SPEAKERof reasonable sunsets throughout the year,

51:14SPEAKERbut we would also be getting way more reasonable sunrises.

51:18SPEAKERSo essentially, according to his maps,

51:21SPEAKERand again, people are gonna look at this

51:22SPEAKERand make up their own minds,

51:23SPEAKERbut according to his maps,

51:24SPEAKERwe are actually giving up a lot of good early sunlight

51:28SPEAKERin the morning for no real gain in number of days

51:30SPEAKERwith good late sunset times.

51:34SPEAKERAlso, if you scroll down to the,

51:38SPEAKERif daylight savings time were always in effect maps,

51:41SPEAKERthen we have- - I like this one.

51:42SPEAKER- Then we have basically 365 days a year

51:45SPEAKERof 5 p.m. or later sunsets.

51:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:48SPEAKER- But almost zero times when the sun is up before 7 a.m.

51:51SPEAKER- I'm gonna go ahead and tell you,

51:53SPEAKERif you're up before 7 a.m.

51:54SPEAKERand you wanna see some sun sunrise, get wrecked.

51:57SPEAKER- I do-

51:58SPEAKER- I'm a sunset guy through and through.

52:00SPEAKER- Hmm.

52:01SPEAKER- What about the sunset time?

52:01SPEAKERWhat about the sunset time?

52:02SPEAKER- Listen, having worked from home for what,

52:04SPEAKERsix years now, in your case,

52:06SPEAKERI'm gonna tell you people who have to get up early

52:08SPEAKERand go out the door early to work,

52:09SPEAKERmay have a word or two with you.

52:11SPEAKER- Look, I live in an eight by 10 foot cell, 18 hours a day.

52:16SPEAKER- I don't know, like,

52:19SPEAKERas someone who frequently does wake up early,

52:21SPEAKERwaking up when it's still dark out is kinda gross.

52:25SPEAKER- I gotta tell you, just stop waking up early.

52:28SPEAKERSolve that problem.

52:29SPEAKER- I mean, judging purely by these maps,

52:32SPEAKERthe getting rid of daylight savings time permanently

52:34SPEAKERis by far the best compromise position.

52:37SPEAKER- What is a map really, Brad?

52:39SPEAKER- Also-

52:40SPEAKER- This is one person's bias, writ to paper.

52:42SPEAKER- Like, I, this, this is the, hmm.

52:46SPEAKER- This is propaganda.

52:47SPEAKER- Pretty strong argument that daylight savings time

52:49SPEAKERis not actually benefiting us much at all.

52:51SPEAKER- This, this Andy Woodruff guy,

52:53SPEAKERif that's even really his name, I'm incredibly skeptical.

52:59SPEAKER- These maps also make it pretty clear

53:02SPEAKERhow you're extra getting screwed the farther west,

53:05SPEAKERsee, I got it, the farther west you are in a time zone.

53:08SPEAKER- And the farther north, yeah.

53:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:10SPEAKER- If you live in the northwest corner of a time zone,

53:11SPEAKERjust, you might as well plan to never see the sun.

53:14SPEAKER- Well, at least for sunrises,

53:15SPEAKERlike you can see in this heat map,

53:16SPEAKERlike the farther west you are in a time zone,

53:18SPEAKERthe worse you get in terms of good sunrise times.

53:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:22SPEAKER- Although this diagonal split

53:24SPEAKERin the time zones for sunsets is interesting.

53:27SPEAKER- Well, that's, that is specifically

53:29SPEAKERbecause of the change in the angle of incidence

53:30SPEAKERin the winter time of the sun.

53:32SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

53:34SPEAKER- I don't know, man, the secret.

53:36SPEAKERSo I lived in Nashville for a little while,

53:38SPEAKERwhich is on the east side of a time zone.

53:39SPEAKERIt was always dark there, I didn't like that.

53:41SPEAKERI like living on the west side of a time zone better.

53:43SPEAKERIn California, where we live on the coast,

53:45SPEAKERwe're kind of right on the edge of the time zone.

53:46SPEAKERIt's not great.

53:47SPEAKERI mean, right in the middle, rather.

53:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the worst part of the world.

53:51SPEAKER- Maybe we should move to Indiana.

53:52SPEAKERMaybe I was wrong about Indiana, maybe it's okay.

53:54SPEAKER- You know, I don't know that the people

53:55SPEAKERof Indianapolis are going to receive you with open arms

53:58SPEAKERafter what you said, but.

53:59SPEAKER- I did say some bad, I'm sorry, Indianapolis, I love you.

54:01SPEAKERI've been there twice, it was very fun both times.

54:03SPEAKER- I bet.

54:04SPEAKER- What's their specialty?

54:05SPEAKER- What's the local cuisine?

54:07SPEAKER- I don't know, but I didn't order chili

54:08SPEAKERand get some weird spaghetti business.

54:10SPEAKERSo I was, whatever.

54:12SPEAKER- That's not them.

54:13SPEAKER- No, that's Ohio.

54:14SPEAKER- That's Cincinnati.

54:15SPEAKER- Cincinnati, I believe.

54:15SPEAKER- Cincinnati chili.

54:16SPEAKERIndianapolis cuisine, let's finish this one out

54:19SPEAKERby talking about food.

54:20SPEAKEROh boy, these 10 foods and drinks are beloved

54:24SPEAKERin Indianapolis, a tenderloin sandwich.

54:26SPEAKER- Ooh, I like a tenderloin.

54:28SPEAKERGive me some tendies.

54:29SPEAKER- Fried pickles, I mean, fried pickles are not exclusive to.

54:32SPEAKER- Look, fried pickles are fucking good wherever you go.

54:33SPEAKER- Indiana, but fried pickles are pretty good.

54:36SPEAKERA sugar cream pie, ooh, that sounds.

54:39SPEAKER- I have, it seems like it might be too sweet.

54:40SPEAKER- Square donuts?

54:42SPEAKER- What, what, what?

54:43SPEAKERSquare donuts.

54:44SPEAKER- All right, we're done here.

54:45SPEAKER- Yeah, shut it down.

54:47SPEAKERI'm back on the Indianapolis hate train.

54:49SPEAKER- Couldn't you fit more donut in the box if they were square?

54:52SPEAKER- Look, if you're talking about maximizing the efficiency

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56:16SPEAKERLook, I'm thinking about resetting up my office

56:18SPEAKERand rearranging everything.

56:19SPEAKERAnd I'm starting to consult with people

56:21SPEAKERabout the best way to do cable management

56:23SPEAKERbecause with all the audio equipment

56:26SPEAKERand the two computers and three monitors

56:28SPEAKERand through two or three consoles and a mister,

56:31SPEAKERI have cable problems, Brad, don't we all?

56:35SPEAKERAnd I think I gotta run this through the audio channel

56:40SPEAKERto see what they think.

56:41SPEAKERBut I think my plan is to run all of the analog XLR cables

56:44SPEAKERalong the wall with hooks.

56:46SPEAKER- Interesting. - Hooks in the wall

56:48SPEAKERand then run them up high.

56:50SPEAKERAnd I wanna get their feedback on it

56:51SPEAKER'cause they're much smarter at this stuff

56:52SPEAKERand they've all done this before, so.

56:54SPEAKER- They would be able to tell you, for example,

56:56SPEAKERif those cables are shielded or not.

56:58SPEAKER- Well, so they're balanced, I know,

57:00SPEAKERbut I don't exactly understand what that means.

57:01SPEAKERSo we'll get to that.

57:04SPEAKERBut yeah, I wanna put all the audio stuff away

57:06SPEAKERfrom all the computer stuff

57:07SPEAKERso that the audio stuff doesn't get noise

57:08SPEAKERand then keep the computer cables on the ground

57:12SPEAKERand the audio cables up top.

57:13SPEAKER- I'm sorry, did you say over the ground?

57:15SPEAKER- Well, on hooks that are closer to the ground, let's say.

57:19SPEAKER- Get yourself some of those desk mount cable organizers.

57:22SPEAKER- Well, no, but really I'm gonna run,

57:23SPEAKERI have the desk mount cable organizer,

57:24SPEAKERbut really what I'm talking about is running,

57:26SPEAKERputting the mixer like five feet behind me

57:29SPEAKERway away from the computer stuff.

57:31SPEAKER- That would be tough to route.

57:32SPEAKER- Yeah, but I have a bunch of long XLRs,

57:35SPEAKERso I think it won't be that bad, actually.

57:36SPEAKERAnyway.

57:37SPEAKER- Yes, the Discord rules, there was a lot of talk in there

57:40SPEAKERabout my Z shell prompt this week,

57:42SPEAKERwhich I found very entertaining.

57:44SPEAKER- There are so many, like there were Rust shells.

57:46SPEAKERI was right.

57:47SPEAKER- Oh, right, yes.

57:48SPEAKER- People make shells with Rust.

57:50SPEAKER- Oh yes, I was turned on to new shell in the Discord

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58:28SPEAKERAnd I think we're gonna do the Usenet one, right?

58:31SPEAKER- Yes, I think it's the only choice.

58:34SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, so we're gonna mine

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58:37SPEAKER- But not talking, not just mine.

58:39SPEAKER- Well, okay, a little bit of mine, but mostly mine.

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