111: Flanders Is Running in a Degraded State

00:00SPEAKERPool Bart storage state is degraded.

00:02SPEAKEROne or more devices could not be opened.

00:04SPEAKERSufficient replicas exist for the pool

00:05SPEAKERto continue functioning in a degraded state.

00:08SPEAKER- I'm sorry, did you say pool Bart storage?

00:10SPEAKER- The server's name is Bart

00:11SPEAKERand the pool is named Bart storage.

00:14SPEAKER- Wait.

00:15SPEAKER- Because it's storage on Bart.

00:16SPEAKER- Your server is named Bart?

00:18SPEAKER- All my computers are named after Simpsons.

00:20SPEAKERWell, that's not true.

00:21SPEAKERMy, let's see, my desktop machine is named Farnsworth.

00:26SPEAKER- Okay.

00:27SPEAKER- My streaming computer is named Brockman.

00:29SPEAKER- I'm trying.

00:30SPEAKER- My server is named Bart.

00:31SPEAKERThe last one was Flanders.

00:33SPEAKER- Ah, okay.

00:34SPEAKER- Actually, I'm sorry.

00:36SPEAKERThe pool is Bart storage 'cause the last server was Bart.

00:38SPEAKERThe current server is Flanders.

00:40SPEAKER- Still can't stop laughing at Bart storage.

00:43SPEAKER- What do you name your computers?

00:45SPEAKER- So I moved beyond the like cutesy names

00:48SPEAKERfor devices on my network years ago.

00:50SPEAKER- La-tee-da, mister.

00:52SPEAKER- No, no, no, but I have gone entirely utilitarian

00:54SPEAKERso I don't have to think when I look at a thing.

00:57SPEAKERFor example, well, if you really want to get down to it,

00:59SPEAKERI have gone full narcissist.

01:01SPEAKER- Oh no, shoe-gazer?

01:04SPEAKER- I just find ways to substitute the word shoe

01:06SPEAKERinto every device name I can think of.

01:08SPEAKER- Okay.

01:09SPEAKER- This started, longtime GameSpot fans will remember

01:11SPEAKERRich Gallup talking about this about 15 years ago

01:15SPEAKERwhen he saw that I had named my iPod a shoe pod.

01:18SPEAKER- Oh.

01:19SPEAKER- And so now I have shoe phone eight.

01:22SPEAKER- Okay.

01:23SPEAKER- I have wind shoes 10.

01:25SPEAKER- Okay.

01:26SPEAKER- And I have shoe-nass, which was a play on free-nass,

01:30SPEAKERbut then when they rebranded to true-nass,

01:31SPEAKERI thought, wow, shoe-nass really makes sense now.

01:34SPEAKER- Much better now, yeah.

01:35SPEAKER- Let's see what else we got here.

01:37SPEAKERShoe-koo?

01:39SPEAKER- The Roku is named Shoo-koo?

01:41SPEAKER- Yes, yes, the Roku's post name is Shoo-koo.

01:43SPEAKER- What is your Xbox called?

01:44SPEAKERIs it called the shoebox?

01:45SPEAKER- Shoebox series X.

01:47SPEAKER- Oh no, what about the PS5?

01:49SPEAKERCan you rename the PS5s, right?

01:50SPEAKER- Shoe station five.

01:52SPEAKER- Oh, Brad.

01:53SPEAKER- I'm totally Joe, not joking.

01:55SPEAKER- This cold open, I was expecting a sad tale of woe

01:58SPEAKERand you've brought a glimmer of hope to my life.

02:00SPEAKER- Dude, there is zero guesswork.

02:02SPEAKERWhen I look at my list of clients, my DHCP manifests.

02:06SPEAKER- Okay, so.

02:07SPEAKER- No thought whatsoever about which device is which.

02:10SPEAKER- Shoe pad for the iPad?

02:12SPEAKER- Yes, of course, shoe pad.

02:13SPEAKERShoe pad pro, of course.

02:14SPEAKER- Well, apologies.

02:16SPEAKER- Let me tell you about how the root account

02:19SPEAKERon my router is called Bradman.

02:21SPEAKER- Oh, you can't tell people.

02:22SPEAKER(laughing)

02:24SPEAKER- See, that was too good not to tell.

02:26SPEAKER(laughing)

02:28SPEAKER- Okay, okay, I'll allow Bradman.

02:30SPEAKERGod, no.

02:32SPEAKERYeah, so I don't know, I've been doing some stuff

02:34SPEAKERsince like, you know, the '90s probably.

02:36SPEAKER- No, that's acceptable.

02:37SPEAKERI mean, that was the last time the Simpsons was good,

02:39SPEAKERso I will allow it.

02:41SPEAKERAs long as you can remember the device names,

02:43SPEAKERas long as they mean something to you

02:44SPEAKERand it doesn't like jam up your workflow,

02:47SPEAKERthen more power to you.

02:48SPEAKER- What's funny is I've been doing the Simpsons names

02:50SPEAKERfor so long that Flanders to me is a server first

02:55SPEAKERand a character second now.

02:56SPEAKER- That's always like, it's like a hell situation now

02:58SPEAKERwhere like the computer has superseded the humanity.

03:01SPEAKER- Yeah, well anyway, so Flanders is screaming,

03:04SPEAKERI lost one of the drives.

03:05SPEAKER- Is the way, so is, so Flanders is your finance--

03:08SPEAKER- Is finance box, yeah.

03:09SPEAKER- Is your finance box, okay.

03:10SPEAKERSorry, so it sounds like you've lost a drive.

03:13SPEAKER- I absolutely have lost a drive.

03:15SPEAKER- Do you know why?

03:17SPEAKER- I would guess something stopped working.

03:18SPEAKERLike I, when I, so this is maybe a bad system

03:22SPEAKERadminning on my part, but I don't necessarily pay attention

03:25SPEAKERto the notifications on the TrueNAS device all the time.

03:28SPEAKER- Get it, oh, well notification,

03:30SPEAKERwell, I don't log in every day, that's too much work.

03:32SPEAKER- Yeah, no, that would be crazy.

03:33SPEAKER- Do you have, do you have email alerts set up?

03:35SPEAKER- You know, at one point, yes,

03:37SPEAKERI did have email alerts set up,

03:38SPEAKERbut apparently not recently because the thing that I got,

03:41SPEAKERthe way I found out about this was Gina came in

03:44SPEAKERand she was like, hey, the server's making weird noises,

03:45SPEAKERwe haven't even looked at it, and our power went out

03:48SPEAKERduring the rainstorms last weekend,

03:49SPEAKERso I assumed that like, you know,

03:51SPEAKERsomething was up and down or whatever it was.

03:53SPEAKER- Do you not have it on a UPS?

03:54SPEAKER- No, of course not.

03:55SPEAKER- Dude, what?

03:56SPEAKER- It costs too much, I'm not gonna plug a UPS in.

03:58SPEAKERIt's, look, okay, my server is up on the highest shelf

04:03SPEAKERin the garage, it's like eight feet off the ground.

04:06SPEAKERIf I put a UPS up there here in the earthquake belt

04:09SPEAKERand there was an earthquake, I can kill not one person,

04:11SPEAKERbut two people when they fall off.

04:12SPEAKER- Might be like a toxic chemical spill

04:14SPEAKERif that thing came down.

04:15SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a bad idea.

04:17SPEAKER- Is it, yeah, it's like a Xeon, right?

04:19SPEAKER- No, no, no, it's a Broadwell E.

04:21SPEAKERIt's like a DDR4 Core i7, I think.

04:26SPEAKER- What kind of case, is it a rack case?

04:28SPEAKER- No, it's in like an old Corsair Silent case.

04:31SPEAKERIt's just a normal, it's like a bog standard tower.

04:33SPEAKER- Oh, wow, this is way less fancy than I thought.

04:36SPEAKER- Yeah, no, no, I didn't, I have not racked anything

04:39SPEAKERout there 'cause it's easier to store something vertical

04:42SPEAKERthan horizontal in the garage.

04:43SPEAKER- Well, hey, we should talk about this if you just,

04:45SPEAKERif you wanna rack a nut server,

04:46SPEAKERthen we could avoid this problem next time

04:49SPEAKERand you wouldn't have degraded pool.

04:51SPEAKER- Okay, so I ordered a new hard drive.

04:53SPEAKERI went to the Shucker site and I found

04:58SPEAKERthat it's a pretty good time to buy 14 terabyte drives,

05:01SPEAKERwhich that one drive that I'm buying right now

05:03SPEAKERwill hold an emergency backup

05:05SPEAKERof everything that's on the server.

05:06SPEAKER- It's not a bad way to go.

05:08SPEAKER- I did find when I looked at the notifications,

05:10SPEAKERI was like, oh, hey, there's seven notifications.

05:12SPEAKERThat seems bad.

05:14SPEAKERDevice/dev GPTID and then a whole bunch of numbers

05:19SPEAKERand letters is causing slow IO

05:20SPEAKERon pool bar storage a month ago.

05:23SPEAKERSo I did have a warning probably, I'm gonna say now.

05:26SPEAKERAnyway. - You chose to ignore it.

05:28SPEAKER- Yeah, we're gonna get the new drive in,

05:31SPEAKERback everything up as fast as humanly possible.

05:35SPEAKERIt is also dumped up in a cloud backup someplace,

05:38SPEAKERbut that's a pain in the ass to restore

05:40SPEAKERand I'd rather not have to do that.

05:42SPEAKERAnd then I think I'm gonna prox box it.

05:43SPEAKERI think I'm gonna switch over.

05:44SPEAKERI'm gonna become a virtualize.

05:47SPEAKERWell, Brad, I'm kind of thinking about buying a Synology.

05:54SPEAKER'Cause there's something compelling

05:55SPEAKERabout not having to think about this as much

05:57SPEAKERand just like jam some hard drives in slots

06:00SPEAKERand then have data stay there.

06:01SPEAKERBut right now I'm thinking, man,

06:04SPEAKERif the Plex server goes down,

06:05SPEAKERmy daughter's gonna be pretty unhappy.

06:07SPEAKERAnd that's followed by if the Plex server comes down,

06:10SPEAKERI don't wanna have to re-rip the Blu-rays

06:12SPEAKERthat I haven't bothered to back up

06:14SPEAKERbecause it's like 20, 12 gigs of data

06:16SPEAKERor something ridiculous.

06:20SPEAKERAnd I don't wanna have to re-rip all those Blu-rays

06:22SPEAKER'cause I just took the Blu-ray drive out of my computer case

06:24SPEAKERfor the first time in like 15 years.

06:27SPEAKER- Maintaining domestic tranquility,

06:30SPEAKERI think is a good excuse here.

06:31SPEAKERSo I can get behind this. - Yeah, right.

06:34SPEAKER- I think it's time to show Flanders a little TLC.

06:37SPEAKER- Well, so here's the question though.

06:39SPEAKERHow many slots, if I was gonna buy a Synology,

06:42SPEAKERyou think five is enough?

06:44SPEAKER- I don't know, man.

06:45SPEAKERThis question is exactly what drove me away

06:47SPEAKERfrom getting a Synology.

06:48SPEAKERI started out on my NAS quest planning to buy a Synology.

06:52SPEAKER- Well, I actively dissuaded you at the time

06:54SPEAKER'cause they were kind of underpowered back then

06:55SPEAKERand now they're okay.

06:56SPEAKERSo here's the plan.

06:58SPEAKERHere's the real plan.

06:58SPEAKERThe plan is to put Proxmox on real hardware

07:03SPEAKERwith a very small drive and then store all the VMs

07:07SPEAKERfor Proxmox and also all the media and the other things

07:11SPEAKERon the NAS where they'd be impervious.

07:14SPEAKER- Okay.

07:16SPEAKER- And then I have more points of failure.

07:19SPEAKER- You sure do.

07:20SPEAKER- Which seems bad.

07:21SPEAKER- You've also got some more bottlenecks in there

07:23SPEAKERunless you're planning to go 10 gigabit network.

07:25SPEAKER- Well, you can get 10 gigabit pretty easy now

07:27SPEAKERis my understanding.

07:28SPEAKER- On a Synology?

07:29SPEAKER- Yeah, Synology will do 10 gigabit.

07:31SPEAKER- I think you were going mad with power, I don't know.

07:33SPEAKER- You think I'm flying too close to the sun here

07:35SPEAKERlike Icarus, my wax wings are melting beneath me.

07:38SPEAKER- I might, I might recommend just shoving another drive

07:40SPEAKERin Flanders and calling it a day.

07:43SPEAKER(upbeat music)

08:05SPEAKER(upbeat music)

08:11SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made of Tech Pod, I'm Will.

08:14SPEAKER- I am Shoe Brad.

08:16SPEAKER- That's Brad Shoe.

08:17SPEAKER- That's if I were to exist on my own network,

08:20SPEAKERI guess I would just be called Shoe.

08:22SPEAKER- You're not the shoe maker, you're the shoe breaker.

08:24SPEAKER- I mean, that is really my ultimate goal in life

08:27SPEAKERis to become one with my LAN.

08:29SPEAKER(laughing)

08:30SPEAKER- Okay, if you could get, if you could jack in,

08:33SPEAKERif you could get like Neo style matrix spike

08:35SPEAKERto the back of your head right now, would you do that?

08:37SPEAKER- Yikes, I was thinking more reboot like the,

08:39SPEAKERyou remember the 90s CG show reboot?

08:42SPEAKER- No, I was like 20 when that came out probably.

08:44SPEAKER- I thought it's like, I'm pretty sure there were

08:46SPEAKERsome stoned college students watching reboot at the time.

08:49SPEAKER- It's possible, I didn't play for cable

08:51SPEAKERwhen I was a college student at first, I was just OTA.

08:53SPEAKER- I don't know where that thing aired.

08:54SPEAKERAnyway, I was thinking more like fun,

08:56SPEAKERfun big low 90s CG going inside a computer,

08:59SPEAKERnot like dystopian robots are running the world

09:02SPEAKERwith imprisoned human beings

09:03SPEAKERand you're getting a spike in the back of the neck

09:05SPEAKERtype going inside the computer.

09:06SPEAKER- It's a good spike though, it's a friendly spike sometimes,

09:08SPEAKERsometimes not so much.

09:09SPEAKER- Seems fun in there.

09:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:11SPEAKER- Until you get shot at by malevolent computer programs

09:15SPEAKERthat are everywhere.

09:16SPEAKER- Look, all you have to do is play ball

09:18SPEAKERwith the computer programs and everything's gonna be fine.

09:20SPEAKERThat's what the Matrix 4 is gonna be about,

09:22SPEAKERit's gonna be about patsies.

09:23SPEAKER- That's right, I mean, it's just, you know,

09:25SPEAKERjust let them wipe your, do what they want

09:27SPEAKERand then let them wipe your memory

09:28SPEAKERand then it's just like steak and red wine forever and ever.

09:31SPEAKERI will never get the image of Cypher eating that steak

09:34SPEAKERout of my mind, that was a very good looking steak.

09:37SPEAKER- It is the epitome of a steak.

09:40SPEAKERAnd Joey Pants sold it, man, he was there.

09:43SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I mean, he's like, you know,

09:44SPEAKERhe's the epitome of sleazebag.

09:47SPEAKER- Yeah, he was ready to like, yeah, like I gotta,

09:49SPEAKERI gotta, like you pull somebody like that,

09:51SPEAKERlooks like that out of the Matrix

09:52SPEAKERand you gotta look at him and be like, man,

09:53SPEAKERthis guy is gonna hose me at some point in the future,

09:55SPEAKERbut he's probably pretty good on my side

09:56SPEAKERuntil the moment he turns, right?

09:58SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

09:58SPEAKERI wonder how it feels to be a character actor like him

10:01SPEAKERwho is typecast as sleazebag and just like,

10:05SPEAKERwhat does that do to your perception of yourself?

10:07SPEAKERYou know, outside of acting jobs or just like,

10:11SPEAKERI guess I just give off sleazebag vibes,

10:13SPEAKERlike that's just how people see me.

10:15SPEAKERI guess I'm just gonna go with it.

10:16SPEAKER- He's just living for the day when he gets old enough

10:19SPEAKERthat he becomes friendly and affable.

10:20SPEAKERLike, like, you know, Borgnine did that.

10:22SPEAKERBorgnine did the transition from like Fellini heavy

10:25SPEAKERor, you know, spaghetti Western heavy

10:28SPEAKERto, you know, affable grandpa,

10:33SPEAKERlike a lovable taxi cab driver

10:35SPEAKERin a post-apocalyptic New York.

10:36SPEAKER- There's hope for all of us.

10:38SPEAKER- Yeah, if we could look,

10:41SPEAKERif you show me somebody who did better than Borgnine,

10:45SPEAKERI'm not gonna believe it.

10:47SPEAKERI think Borgnine's a hero to us all.

10:49SPEAKER- We think he would.

10:50SPEAKER- If Borgnine's bad, please don't tell me.

10:51SPEAKERI don't want him dead.

10:52SPEAKER- I think he led the ideal life.

10:53SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I mean, look,

10:55SPEAKERyou know about the Dutch oven, right?

10:58SPEAKERLet's just, hey, we've got some questions here.

11:02SPEAKER- Oh, questions?

11:03SPEAKER- Questions.

11:04SPEAKER- Are we gonna turn cues into A's this week?

11:06SPEAKERIs it that week again already?

11:07SPEAKER- We've got some questions in search of some answers.

11:09SPEAKERI can't even remember the last one of these we did.

11:11SPEAKERThat's how hectic things have been.

11:13SPEAKER- It was a month ago, I think.

11:14SPEAKER- Right, I have zero recollection of doing that episode.

11:18SPEAKER- Did we flip flop the weeks?

11:19SPEAKERHas it been five weeks since we turned cues into A's?

11:22SPEAKERWas that the month before?

11:23SPEAKER- Was that at the tail end of your desert excursion?

11:27SPEAKER- I bet it was.

11:28SPEAKERYes, that's what it was.

11:30SPEAKER- I looked up the other day, well, I mean, last week now,

11:32SPEAKERand I was like, can you believe it's only been two weeks

11:34SPEAKERsince we got back from the desert?

11:36SPEAKERAnd Jean looked at me, she's like,

11:38SPEAKERit has been way more than two weeks.

11:39SPEAKERAnd we looked at the calendar

11:40SPEAKERand it had been like 14 or 15 days.

11:43SPEAKERLike it rained eight inches here on Saturday or Sunday

11:47SPEAKERwhenever, whatever day the rain came.

11:49SPEAKER- Wait, was it literally eight inches?

11:50SPEAKER- My rain meter in the backyard said like 7.8 inches.

11:53SPEAKER- Oh, shit.

11:54SPEAKER- Wow, that was, I mean, it was some storm, I'll tell you.

11:57SPEAKER- I had to dig an emergency drainage trench.

12:00SPEAKERIt wasn't great.

12:01SPEAKER- That's pretty bad.

12:02SPEAKER- No, it's not what you want.

12:05SPEAKERYeah, it's been a busy month.

12:07SPEAKERSo here we are, once again, people have sent emails.

12:11SPEAKERWell, not really very many emails,

12:13SPEAKERbut people have posted cues into the cues

12:16SPEAKERseeking answers channel on the Discord.

12:18SPEAKERI think we got an email, I don't know if it made the cut.

12:21SPEAKERSorry, emailer.

12:24SPEAKERBut yeah, let's just get in there.

12:26SPEAKERLet's do it, let's get this, let's make this happen.

12:28SPEAKER- All right, let's get into these questions

12:30SPEAKERfrom our Discord, thanks to everyone who wrote in.

12:33SPEAKERI'm gonna start with a heavy.

12:36SPEAKERJust gonna get this one out of the way.

12:38SPEAKERAlso, I'm gonna point out here real quick,

12:39SPEAKERI pulled these out of the Discord.

12:42SPEAKERHere we are reporting on the 28th of October

12:45SPEAKERwhen Halloween-ification of usernames on our Discord

12:49SPEAKERis in full swing.

12:51SPEAKER- What are you talking about, blood?

12:52SPEAKER(laughing)

12:54SPEAKER- I was pretty happy with blood, I find it pretty good.

12:57SPEAKERI find it pretty understated in a delightful way.

13:00SPEAKERAnyway, all of these usernames practically,

13:03SPEAKERmost of them have been Halloween-ified.

13:06SPEAKERSo apologies if we don't actually know who you are,

13:09SPEAKERbut I will just read the usernames as written.

13:13SPEAKER- Jack O'Lantern will know who you are.

13:15SPEAKER- Yeah, this one comes in from Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony,

13:20SPEAKERwhich is the most horrifying username I've ever heard.

13:23SPEAKER- Is that a reference to the '80s?

13:25SPEAKER- Tony, Tony, Tony.

13:26SPEAKER- Tony, Tony, Tony, I think?

13:27SPEAKER- Oh, 'cause they're all spelled with a Y, so.

13:29SPEAKER- No, oh, yeah, the band, it's three different spellings.

13:31SPEAKER- The band spelled is Y-I-N-E, I believe.

13:35SPEAKER- Yes, that is correct.

13:36SPEAKER- E with an accent mark, anyway.

13:38SPEAKERAll right, here's the question.

13:39SPEAKER- Oh, Rob, I can never tell, yeah.

13:41SPEAKER- I've got a daughter around Will's kid's age

13:43SPEAKERwho is just starting to find YouTubers

13:45SPEAKERand streamers she likes.

13:48SPEAKERThe way she talks about these personalities to me,

13:50SPEAKERsomeone 20 years younger than Will

13:52SPEAKERand not a mental health professional,

13:54SPEAKERseems pretty weird and parasocial a lot of the time.

13:58SPEAKERThis has got me wondering, how do you explain to your kid

14:01SPEAKERthe difference between someone's media presence

14:03SPEAKERand who they are beyond that?

14:05SPEAKERBeing internet people of note yourselves,

14:07SPEAKERhow would you explain to a kid

14:08SPEAKERthat what you do as a video personality

14:10SPEAKERis not necessarily representative of your real life

14:12SPEAKERor your relationship with the viewer?

14:14SPEAKERHow do you teach a kid to be critical

14:16SPEAKERof what online personalities say?

14:19SPEAKER- My advice is if you're, my daughter's almost nine,

14:23SPEAKERwe do not let her engage with streamers or YouTube

14:27SPEAKERor things like that.

14:29SPEAKERNot, well, okay, we don't let her engage with YouTube

14:32SPEAKERbecause I actually think YouTube is bad.

14:34SPEAKERLike, they're doing a little bit better job with it now,

14:38SPEAKERit seems like, but the way the algorithm feeds people,

14:42SPEAKERit pushes people toward the content that's most engaged with

14:44SPEAKERrather than actually probably the best is damaging,

14:48SPEAKERespecially damaging for children.

14:49SPEAKERI feel like, because you know, you and I and Brad

14:54SPEAKERand whoever else have actually the,

14:56SPEAKERlike we have the ability to look at this and say,

14:59SPEAKERoh yeah, this guy screaming about jet fuel

15:01SPEAKERmelting steel beams is clearly full of shit

15:03SPEAKERand I shouldn't engage with this content,

15:05SPEAKERthis is a bad person.

15:07SPEAKERAn eight-year-old doesn't know that.

15:08SPEAKERAnd like, you can get into everything

15:11SPEAKERfrom like body image problems and like, you know,

15:16SPEAKERa little of the light racism we've seen

15:19SPEAKERthat is maybe, I don't want to say it's appropriate,

15:22SPEAKERbut it's more accepted in different places than it is

15:24SPEAKERand maybe where you live or how you want your kid to live.

15:29SPEAKERSo we don't engage with YouTube.

15:34SPEAKERAlso, as an aside, we do a lot of play tests

15:38SPEAKERand people come in who have spent a lot of time

15:43SPEAKERor maybe grew up watching streamers

15:46SPEAKERand when they play games, they narrate in a way

15:48SPEAKERthat is, I don't want to say discomforting,

15:52SPEAKERbut it's profoundly strange.

15:55SPEAKER- Something that makes you feel your age.

15:58SPEAKER- It's kind of annoying, Brad.

16:00SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I get it.

16:02SPEAKERI understand.

16:03SPEAKER- Like, I want, I mean, we've talked about it a lot

16:08SPEAKERand we're reaching the point now

16:09SPEAKERshe is starting to watch a few YouTubers.

16:12SPEAKERWhat we're doing is picking people who we find are acceptable

16:17SPEAKERand who aren't super annoying and are actually providing

16:20SPEAKERvalue and kind of like actually teaching the kids

16:26SPEAKERabout the game.

16:27SPEAKERLike Minecraft YouTubers are a great example

16:28SPEAKERbecause there are some that are just like,

16:29SPEAKERhey, look at this cool pack you can buy.

16:31SPEAKERYou can buy this pack using my affiliate code

16:34SPEAKERand you'll help support the channel.

16:36SPEAKERAnd the kid's like, hey, I want to get this pack

16:38SPEAKERwith the extra, with the llama skins.

16:40SPEAKERThat's fantastic, dad.

16:41SPEAKERCan I get this?

16:42SPEAKERIt's only 400 mine coins.

16:44SPEAKERAnd then there are others that are like,

16:45SPEAKERhey, here's how you build a working supercomputer

16:47SPEAKERout of Redstone in Minecraft.

16:49SPEAKER- Those are the ones you want them watching.

16:50SPEAKER- Those are the ones you want them watching.

16:52SPEAKERYeah, like she watches this woman who teaches kids

16:55SPEAKERhow to make like secret doors

16:56SPEAKERand like how to do like cool mechanisms and stuff like that.

17:00SPEAKERAnd that stuff's really great.

17:01SPEAKERLike, I think that's good.

17:02SPEAKERAnd it helps them understand more about how the game works

17:05SPEAKERand how to get more out of the game versus,

17:08SPEAKERhey, here's a funnel through which I can get,

17:10SPEAKERextract revenue from children's parents, so.

17:13SPEAKER- Are you able to, are the parental controls such

17:16SPEAKERthat you can just straight up allow

17:18SPEAKERonly a small number of channels

17:20SPEAKERand she just can't access any others?

17:21SPEAKER- So yes, except for the fact that school was virtual

17:25SPEAKERfor a long time and as a result of that,

17:27SPEAKEReverybody has internet at home now

17:28SPEAKERand the teachers can assume

17:29SPEAKERthat people have internet at home.

17:31SPEAKERSo they can require YouTube viewing for school assignments

17:35SPEAKERand stuff like that now, which means that we can't,

17:39SPEAKERwe couldn't do the allowed list anymore

17:41SPEAKERbecause the teachers, like the teachers' YouTube channels

17:44SPEAKERwhere they're putting videos up

17:45SPEAKERand stuff like that are off limits.

17:46SPEAKERAnd they like, some of them are actually pretty good

17:49SPEAKERabout doing the thing that you're probably not supposed to do

17:51SPEAKERand just downloading the video

17:52SPEAKERand then putting it up on their channel.

17:54SPEAKERAnd then others are just like,

17:55SPEAKERhey, here's a link to some randoms.

17:57SPEAKERI mean, it's a fine channel.

17:58SPEAKERIt's like a science museum or whatever,

18:00SPEAKERbut it became that like that allow list thing ended up

18:03SPEAKERnot scaling once they were like six years old

18:05SPEAKERor seven years old.

18:08SPEAKER- Okay.

18:10SPEAKERThe general rule we give my daughter

18:12SPEAKERfor how to tell if somebody is in your best interest

18:15SPEAKERis if they're trying to convince you to buy something

18:17SPEAKERor if they're talking about something in a way

18:19SPEAKERthat makes you want to buy it, maybe watch out.

18:23SPEAKER- Try to resist those feelings.

18:24SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a weird, that's when things are weird.

18:28SPEAKERThat's when you feel like they're your friend

18:30SPEAKERand they're trying to sell you some stuff, then be careful.

18:33SPEAKERAnd also, have you heard about nanotape?

18:36SPEAKER- Go on.

18:38SPEAKER- I'm kidding, but yeah, it's weird out there, man.

18:42SPEAKERBe careful.

18:43SPEAKER- Yes, on a totally side note, tangential note,

18:49SPEAKERI found that nanotape had been employed

18:51SPEAKERto let's say preserve something on our back porch

18:56SPEAKERduring the storm and seemed to be doing the job

18:59SPEAKERbetter than I would have expected.

19:01SPEAKER- Nice.

19:01SPEAKER- We have a little like magnetic screen door

19:03SPEAKERthat hangs over the back door that goes out on the porch.

19:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:06SPEAKER- And someone in the house who is not me

19:09SPEAKERhad used nanotape.

19:11SPEAKER- I wouldn't have expected nanotape

19:12SPEAKERto work on a screen door.

19:13SPEAKER- Well, it's on the little door siding.

19:16SPEAKERWell, not siding, but the little strips around the side

19:19SPEAKERthat hold the screen door up.

19:21SPEAKERBut it was up against the siding of the apartment building

19:23SPEAKERand I would not have expected nanotape

19:24SPEAKERto adhere to that kind of surface.

19:26SPEAKERAnd yet it did.

19:27SPEAKER- Nanotape's truly a miracle.

19:28SPEAKERYou can get it at amazon.com/offercodetechpod.

19:33SPEAKER- Yeah, man, I didn't start to bring something up.

19:38SPEAKERI don't want to blow up anybody's spot,

19:40SPEAKERbut people were talking about Wario 64

19:42SPEAKERon the Discord today.

19:44SPEAKER- Look, Wario 64 has hustle.

19:46SPEAKERI don't have any beef with Wario.

19:47SPEAKER- Again, I'm not begrudging it in the slightest.

19:49SPEAKERI totally agree.

19:51SPEAKERI do wonder how much they are making at this point.

19:53SPEAKERBut the reason I bring it up

19:55SPEAKERis that I just casually looked at the account

19:57SPEAKERand they are over a million followers now.

20:00SPEAKERSo like a council,

20:01SPEAKERmy bigger point is just accounts like that.

20:04SPEAKERWho is the, God, which publication is it?

20:06SPEAKERIs it TechRadar?

20:08SPEAKER- TechRadar, the tech radar guy

20:09SPEAKERthat helps people find consoles.

20:10SPEAKER- The EIC of TechRadar also now has a million followers

20:13SPEAKERbecause he helps people find PS5s and Xboxes.

20:18SPEAKERMy bigger point is those numbers have just exploded

20:21SPEAKERin this kind of everybody's stuck at home environment.

20:23SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I mean, Wario's been doing this

20:25SPEAKERfor a long time, though.

20:26SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, also that account has been doing this longer

20:29SPEAKERthan anybody I know.

20:30SPEAKER- Yeah, like they were the first account I knew of.

20:33SPEAKERIf you don't know, Wario's an account that posts like,

20:36SPEAKERit's like kind of a little tiny bit of game news,

20:39SPEAKERbut it's mostly like, yo, here's some games on sale.

20:42SPEAKER- Yeah, it's mostly sales.

20:42SPEAKER- With affiliate links.

20:43SPEAKER- Sales and rare items back in stock type notifications.

20:46SPEAKER- Yeah, like stuff you might want.

20:48SPEAKERAnd it's pretty well curated to align with my taste

20:52SPEAKERso that it's like the ratio of things I want to see there

20:56SPEAKERand I'm interested in potentially buying are good.

20:58SPEAKER- The difference with that and like a YouTube,

21:01SPEAKERlike a Minecraft streamer that's trying to push goat skins

21:04SPEAKERor whatever is that they're not providing editorial content.

21:08SPEAKERLike there's a little tiny bit of editorial,

21:10SPEAKERbut it's just mostly like, hey, here's some stuff

21:12SPEAKERthat might be useful if you like it, follow me.

21:14SPEAKER- It's literally, it's literally two kinds of tweets.

21:16SPEAKERIt is literally just, hey, this is cheaper than usual.

21:19SPEAKERHey, this is back in stock.

21:20SPEAKERLike that's basically it.

21:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

21:22SPEAKER- Like that stuff is very upfront.

21:23SPEAKERLike there's no subterfuge there.

21:26SPEAKERLike it's very, it's honest about what it's doing.

21:28SPEAKEREverybody knows what it is.

21:29SPEAKERIt's totally fine.

21:31SPEAKERAgain, I was just kind of shocked at the reach

21:33SPEAKERthat these types of accounts are suddenly seeing.

21:37SPEAKER- People in the game development space,

21:41SPEAKERWario 64 comes up kind of a lot, it turns out.

21:44SPEAKER- Interesting.

21:45SPEAKER- More than I would have expected.

21:46SPEAKER- Huh.

21:47SPEAKERWell, you know, if you're out there making the product,

21:50SPEAKERyou got to keep your finger on the pulse.

21:51SPEAKER- I think it's gotta be a collective

21:52SPEAKER'cause they're in that and they just don't sleep.

21:54SPEAKER- So that's the thing I didn't really want to get into.

21:57SPEAKERBut like that was the thought I had

21:59SPEAKERwhen I saw the number of followers on that account is,

22:02SPEAKERI wonder if there's a team there.

22:03SPEAKERI wonder if there are employees now being paid

22:06SPEAKERto keep that thing going.

22:08SPEAKER- I assume it's either like three people

22:10SPEAKERor like one person with the world's worst sleep schedule,

22:12SPEAKERbut I don't know for sure.

22:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:14SPEAKERAll right.

22:17SPEAKERDo you want to read this one that you highlighted here

22:19SPEAKERor was that just absent-minded clicking?

22:21SPEAKER- Probably absent-minded clicking.

22:23SPEAKER- Okay, well now I'm looking at it.

22:25SPEAKERSo, oh, you know what?

22:26SPEAKERActually I take that back.

22:26SPEAKERI'm gonna roll back here.

22:29SPEAKERI'm gonna ask a question by way of Narfinger.

22:34SPEAKER- Okay.

22:35SPEAKER- What do you turn off in your house

22:36SPEAKERwhen you go on a holiday?

22:37SPEAKER- Ooh.

22:38SPEAKER- Okay, first of all,

22:40SPEAKERwe have not been on a full out of the country

22:42SPEAKERor even like out of town trip together

22:45SPEAKERfor an extended period in about five years.

22:48SPEAKERSo- - Yeah, that's about right.

22:49SPEAKER- I don't remember so much what I would do,

22:52SPEAKERbut like, let's see.

22:53SPEAKERBack in the day, especially when I traveled for work a lot,

22:55SPEAKERlike if I was gonna be gone for like a week plus,

22:58SPEAKERI would fully power down and unplug my consoles

23:00SPEAKERinstead of leaving them in sleep mode.

23:02SPEAKER- Wow.

23:05SPEAKER- I probably would, hmm,

23:08SPEAKERdepends on the kind of trip I was going on,

23:10SPEAKERbut I would probably turn my NAS off

23:13SPEAKERunless I had a good reason to try to access it remotely.

23:17SPEAKER- Oh, that's interesting, okay.

23:19SPEAKER- What else?

23:22SPEAKERI guess that's about it.

23:23SPEAKER- I mean, I generally, I would always pretty much unplug

23:26SPEAKERPCs, consoles, everything from the wall

23:28SPEAKERthat could be zapped while I was gone.

23:31SPEAKER- So when we went to Palm Desert in September,

23:35SPEAKERI turned the hot water heater down.

23:37SPEAKERI left the NAS on 'cause we wanted to be able

23:39SPEAKERto keep using Plex.

23:40SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

23:43SPEAKER- I hit the power strip

23:46SPEAKERon the living room entertainment center.

23:49SPEAKERI took my PC with me so it was all unplugged.

23:51SPEAKERAll that stuff was unplugged as a side effect of that.

23:55SPEAKERI set up the lights with the smart home stuff

23:57SPEAKERto like run a normal semi-random cycle

24:00SPEAKERso that it was off, like it incremented every,

24:03SPEAKERby like three minutes every other day,

24:06SPEAKEReither up or down, 50/50 chance.

24:08SPEAKER- Is that, that's just a, that's just a--

24:10SPEAKER- The tape, there's people here.

24:13SPEAKER- Still alive.

24:13SPEAKER- Leave the house alone. - It's just the car

24:15SPEAKERthat's gone, but somebody's still here.

24:17SPEAKER- We have house sitters, honest.

24:20SPEAKER- What else?

24:21SPEAKER- The hot water heater was the big one.

24:22SPEAKERWe saved a ton of money by not running the hot,

24:23SPEAKERoh, and the heat, the, slash.

24:26SPEAKERLike that stuff got turned off.

24:27SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, you've got obviously a lot of considerations

24:30SPEAKERthat I, as not a homeowner, do not have.

24:33SPEAKER- Well, I mean, you still have,

24:34SPEAKERwell, I guess you have shared water

24:35SPEAKERprobably for the building, right?

24:36SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, utility stuff we don't touch.

24:39SPEAKERMan, for how, for as mission critical

24:41SPEAKERas your Plex server seems to be,

24:44SPEAKERwe gotta get some redundancy on that NAS.

24:45SPEAKER- I had redundancy on that NAS.

24:48SPEAKER- I'm telling you.

24:49SPEAKER- That's why it's still working.

24:49SPEAKER- No, no, no, I mean like power redundancy.

24:52SPEAKER- That's fine.

24:53SPEAKERIt's been like that for like 10 years at some point.

24:55SPEAKER- I did a jump, maybe I just got it on the brain,

24:58SPEAKERbut I did a dry run of my NUT server a couple of weeks ago.

25:01SPEAKER- I don't want to hear about your dry run

25:03SPEAKERon the NUT server, very uncomfortable for me.

25:06SPEAKER- It was very exciting that it all still works

25:07SPEAKERwhen I haven't touched it in like a year and a half

25:09SPEAKERand everything is still.

25:10SPEAKER- And code rot is totally real, isn't it?

25:14SPEAKER- Bit rot?

25:15SPEAKERAbsolutely.

25:15SPEAKER- No, no, just code rot, like the things that worked

25:19SPEAKERand then all of a sudden they don't anymore?

25:20SPEAKER- Absolutely, absolutely.

25:22SPEAKER- Oh, that's, yeah.

25:24SPEAKER- Just like, oh, you updated Windows

25:26SPEAKERin a way that broke the NUT service on Windows

25:27SPEAKERso now the Windows machine won't power down anymore

25:30SPEAKERlike it's supposed to,

25:30SPEAKERor like you fucking did a very ill advised app to upgrade

25:35SPEAKERand broke a bunch of dependencies on something.

25:38SPEAKER- Or you did like one night at eight o'clock,

25:40SPEAKERyou decided to put Windows 11 on your computer

25:42SPEAKERand wipe the drive.

25:43SPEAKER- Nope, nope, nope.

25:44SPEAKER- It's fine, it worked out great.

25:46SPEAKER- Dude, I continually have to relearn the lesson

25:48SPEAKERof if you're running services on a Unix-like of some kind,

25:53SPEAKERbe it Linux or FreeBSD or whatever,

25:55SPEAKERjust fucking leave it alone.

25:57SPEAKEROnce it works, just don't touch it.

25:59SPEAKER- This is why my Freeness machine

26:02SPEAKERis like running a two-year-old version of Freeness

26:04SPEAKERat this point.

26:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean the hosts I will,

26:07SPEAKERjust for security reasons and stuff like that,

26:10SPEAKERI will advocate updating the host machine.

26:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I do the security patches,

26:14SPEAKERI just don't do the major updates.

26:15SPEAKER- But for stuff like Plex or like a print server

26:17SPEAKERand stuff like that, it's like there's nothing to be gained

26:20SPEAKERby going into that container and updating the packages,

26:22SPEAKERjust fucking leave it alone.

26:24SPEAKERThe number of times that doing that

26:26SPEAKERhas broken the service in question

26:28SPEAKERand I had to like spend time figuring it out

26:30SPEAKERand fixing it is too many to count, it's just not worth it.

26:33SPEAKER- So Plex actually does good stuff.

26:38SPEAKERLike they update regularly with new features

26:40SPEAKERthat are worth holding,

26:43SPEAKERlike worth getting in my experience.

26:46SPEAKERBut I also, I paid for a Plex pass years ago, so.

26:49SPEAKER- Well, Plex is also an edge case

26:51SPEAKERwhere it doesn't really have,

26:51SPEAKERat least on BSD does not really have

26:53SPEAKERa lot of dependencies or any, actually.

26:56SPEAKERI think it is pretty much a standalone thing.

26:58SPEAKERMaybe not.

26:59SPEAKER- It might be standalone at this point, yeah.

27:01SPEAKERAnyway.

27:02SPEAKER- Okay, next question is from Storm,

27:06SPEAKERwhich they describe as a meta question.

27:07SPEAKERAs a podcast host, how weird is it to know

27:09SPEAKERthat people listen to you at 1.5x and 2x speed regularly?

27:15SPEAKER- Wait, people really do that?

27:16SPEAKER- I see it all the time.

27:18SPEAKERI have never, in fact, I was on a walk recently

27:22SPEAKERand I accidentally bumped my podcast player to 1.5.

27:26SPEAKERAnd I thought-- - Wow.

27:27SPEAKER- It was right at the beginning of an episode

27:28SPEAKERand I thought the host was doing a bit.

27:30SPEAKERI genuinely thought like,

27:32SPEAKERis he just doing his best John Maschida impression?

27:34SPEAKERWhat is going on here?

27:35SPEAKERIs this some kind of extended bit that,

27:37SPEAKERwow, he's really keeping this going?

27:39SPEAKERWhat the fuck?

27:40SPEAKERAnd then I finally looked and like, oh.

27:42SPEAKERBut I didn't, I can't say I enjoyed it.

27:44SPEAKERWhen I did that to Overcast or whatever podcast listener,

27:47SPEAKERlike at one point when I turned it on

27:49SPEAKERwhen it was a new feature, I was like, oh, this is neat.

27:50SPEAKERMaybe I'll try this.

27:51SPEAKERI was like, oh God, no, this is, I can't.

27:53SPEAKERSo I feel like we should do something

27:55SPEAKERto fuck with those people.

27:57SPEAKER(laughing)

27:58SPEAKEREither we should talk very slow.

28:00SPEAKEREither we-- - What do you recommend, Will?

28:09SPEAKER- Well, I was thinking we should actually talk

28:11SPEAKERreally, really fast so that it goes even faster

28:12SPEAKERthan anything we say.

28:13SPEAKERAnd then I would teach them an important lesson

28:14SPEAKERabout listening to podcasts too fast

28:16SPEAKERand suffering really badly and having a bad time

28:17SPEAKERwhen they're listening to the podcasts.

28:18SPEAKER- Man, that was pretty impressive.

28:21SPEAKER- Started to say, I think slow talking

28:22SPEAKERis way easier than fast talking, but.

28:25SPEAKER- My father was an auctioneer, you know.

28:26SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

28:28SPEAKERThen you came by it honestly.

28:29SPEAKER- We used to practice the patter at the dinner table.

28:32SPEAKER- Oh, wow, okay, I was gonna say that.

28:34SPEAKERYeah, now that you mentioned it,

28:35SPEAKERthat seemed a way too rehearsed to be off the cuff.

28:38SPEAKER- No, no, no, so the trick is you just keep repeating

28:41SPEAKERthe same thing you say over and over and over again,

28:42SPEAKERkeep repeating until you come up with the next thing you say

28:44SPEAKERand then you say the next thing

28:44SPEAKERand then you say the next thing

28:45SPEAKERand then you say the next thing

28:46SPEAKERand then you have to come up with something else

28:48SPEAKERand then you come back to the first thing again,

28:49SPEAKERyou say that again and again and again and again and again

28:51SPEAKERuntil you're ready to go for the next one

28:52SPEAKERand then you can go again.

28:53SPEAKER- Wow.

28:54SPEAKER- Betty butter bought some butter,

28:55SPEAKERbut she said it's butter, butter, butter,

28:56SPEAKERI'm gonna put butter, butter, so she put some butter,

28:58SPEAKERbutter, butter, butter, made her better, better, better,

28:59SPEAKERBetty butter bought a bit of better butter.

29:01SPEAKER- That is a hell of a party trick.

29:03SPEAKER- There you go.

29:04SPEAKERGive me three beers, I can do even faster.

29:06SPEAKER- Oh, boy.

29:06SPEAKER- That's not true.

29:07SPEAKER- Faster but less accurate, oh yeah, messy.

29:13SPEAKER- Are we done with that one?

29:14SPEAKERWe're done.

29:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, more power to them.

29:18SPEAKERI got no beef.

29:19SPEAKERIf people wanna listen to this really fast,

29:20SPEAKERI think that would make me crazy,

29:22SPEAKERbut your brain is better than mine at that, I guess.

29:24SPEAKERCongratulations.

29:26SPEAKER- Sure, let's see here, I continue to scroll here.

29:33SPEAKERSorry, I had one, how about this?

29:38SPEAKERHere it is, I'm sorry.

29:40SPEAKERI should be more organized than this.

29:41SPEAKERHenDubs writes in, what are some things,

29:46SPEAKERespecially tech related, that you see as essential,

29:48SPEAKERbut that you also will never spend a lot of money on?

29:51SPEAKERDo you have any Amazon basics must haves, for example?

29:54SPEAKEROoh, this is an interesting question

29:56SPEAKERbecause there are a zillion things

29:58SPEAKERthat I feel like fall into this category of I need one,

30:04SPEAKERbut I refuse to spend what feels like

30:06SPEAKERan exorbitant amount of money on it.

30:09SPEAKER- Like cables are in this category for me

30:11SPEAKER'cause I will often just buy,

30:13SPEAKERand I'm real bad about doing the thing

30:15SPEAKERwhere like I need one cable.

30:16SPEAKERI'm like, you know, I might as well

30:17SPEAKERdo the US government thing and just, yeah,

30:20SPEAKERthey're already coming out.

30:21SPEAKERMight as well just get that second one

30:22SPEAKER'cause the two packs like a buck more than the one pack.

30:26SPEAKERBut yeah, I don't know.

30:28SPEAKERI don't even know kind of what Amazon basic sells.

30:31SPEAKER- Kind of everything at this point.

30:33SPEAKERWe have an Amazon basics paper shredder, for example,

30:35SPEAKERand I would say that is exactly the kind of item

30:37SPEAKERwhere I would say good enough is good enough.

30:39SPEAKER- Yeah, hole punch.

30:40SPEAKERLike a three hole punch, that's more convenient.

30:42SPEAKER- Yeah, like I guess maybe the distinction here

30:46SPEAKERis like when you need the thing

30:49SPEAKERis your instinct to buy the cheapest one you can find

30:51SPEAKERor the nicest one you can find.

30:53SPEAKERAnd I would say- - It depends.

30:55SPEAKER- Like I would say a lot of personal effects

30:57SPEAKERfall into that category for me.

30:58SPEAKERLike I needed a new beard trimmer a few months ago.

31:01SPEAKER- Yeah, what'd you get?

31:02SPEAKERI need a new beard trimmer.

31:03SPEAKER- Oh God, what brand does it say?

31:04SPEAKER- I'm using the one that Vinny and I bought

31:06SPEAKERin like 2012 still, 2011 when we were in the basement.

31:09SPEAKERYeah. - Wow, geez.

31:10SPEAKER- So I don't trim the beard that much, it turns out.

31:12SPEAKER- I guess you're certainly true, you don't.

31:14SPEAKER- Hasn't been an issue.

31:15SPEAKER- I think I ended up with a Phillips Norelco,

31:18SPEAKERbut the crucial selling point of that model

31:22SPEAKERis that it was under $20.

31:25SPEAKERI was not going to spend a lot of money

31:26SPEAKERon a dinky beard trimmer.

31:29SPEAKER- So I used to have a really awesome wall beard trimmer

31:32SPEAKERand then the dog got paws, paw pads infected once

31:36SPEAKERand Jeannie used it to trim the dog's feet

31:38SPEAKERand I was like, I'm never using that again.

31:39SPEAKER- Boy, yikes, yikes.

31:42SPEAKERWall is what burned me,

31:43SPEAKERthat's how I ended up with something else.

31:44SPEAKERBut anyway, there you go.

31:47SPEAKERLet's see, I'm trying to think.

31:48SPEAKER- I like, I'm looking at the Amazon basics list.

31:50SPEAKERThey're like, there's some cool,

31:51SPEAKERlike I'm looking at like,

31:53SPEAKERthey have a bunch of console controller chargers,

31:55SPEAKERwhich conceptually is something I would,

31:57SPEAKERyou know what I really want?

31:59SPEAKERThis is going to sound really stupid,

32:01SPEAKERbut what I really want is a dock

32:03SPEAKERthat I can plug both my Switch

32:05SPEAKERand my PlayStation controllers in.

32:07SPEAKERAnd so it's one thing that they all charge,

32:11SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

32:12SPEAKERLike I don't want two things.

32:13SPEAKER- Yeah, just an all in one controller charging station.

32:15SPEAKER- Yeah. - Huh.

32:17SPEAKER- And like these chargers are too big.

32:18SPEAKERLike I'm a mouse pad snob,

32:20SPEAKERso I'd never like buy a mouse pad.

32:22SPEAKERI like, I buy stupid expensive gamer mouse pads.

32:25SPEAKER- Would it surprise you to know

32:26SPEAKERthat I have had the same mouse pads

32:28SPEAKERsince somewhere around 2005?

32:29SPEAKERDoes it have your face on it there?

32:31SPEAKER- No, it's actually- - Is it a Brad pad?

32:33SPEAKER- It is, it was a free mouse pad

32:35SPEAKERthat came with all the Alienwares

32:37SPEAKERthat we got at GameSpot at one point.

32:38SPEAKER- Okay, that's fine. - It's a funk pad.

32:40SPEAKER- I love a, I used a funk pad for a long time

32:42SPEAKERand then I wore it out.

32:43SPEAKER- That's the thing, weirdly this thing has held up.

32:46SPEAKERI don't know, it's still mousing just fine,

32:48SPEAKERbut it's quite good.

32:49SPEAKER- I think the funk pad went out of business

32:52SPEAKERbecause they made two good ones.

32:53SPEAKEROh, I thought Amazon basics batteries.

32:56SPEAKER- I would fully believe that the funk pad was so good,

32:58SPEAKERnobody ever bought another one.

33:00SPEAKER- Yeah, I think you buy one of those

33:01SPEAKERand you're probably good forever

33:02SPEAKERand everybody learned an important lesson.

33:03SPEAKERBut like a coin cell batteries are all,

33:06SPEAKERthose are Amazon basics for sure.

33:08SPEAKERI use kind of a lot of those and then-

33:10SPEAKER- They have everything on here.

33:12SPEAKEROffice furniture, kitchen, travel, yoga mats,

33:16SPEAKERcomputer accessories, bedding, batteries, pet supplies.

33:19SPEAKERI mean, it's all rebranded, right?

33:22SPEAKER- Well, theoretically, I guess.

33:23SPEAKERSo what about light bulbs?

33:25SPEAKERDo you buy light?

33:25SPEAKERLike I wouldn't buy light,

33:26SPEAKERbut I'm pretty picky about color-

33:29SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I actually-

33:31SPEAKER- Specific light bulbs.

33:32SPEAKER- Yeah, when I stocked up on LED bulbs a year or two ago,

33:35SPEAKERI actually went and read reviews about like,

33:37SPEAKER"Hey, what's got the right color temperature?

33:39SPEAKER"What's gonna last?"

33:40SPEAKERI think we ended up with a bunch of crease.

33:43SPEAKERI think we talked about that.

33:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I love the crease.

33:44SPEAKER- Early episode, but the crease have been pretty good.

33:47SPEAKER- My first batch of crease that are now about 10 years old

33:49SPEAKERare starting to get kind of janky

33:51SPEAKERand I got to replace some of them.

33:52SPEAKER- That's a, wait, LEDs?

33:54SPEAKER- Yeah, but-

33:55SPEAKER- That's a pretty good run.

33:56SPEAKER- 10 years, not bad. - Yeah, 10 years,

33:57SPEAKERpretty good run.

34:00SPEAKER- And especially since they were the early ones

34:02SPEAKERthat had to have like big heat sinks and stuff like that

34:04SPEAKERis I think pretty good.

34:06SPEAKER- Heat sink on a light bulb, what will they think of next?

34:08SPEAKER- I mean, look, that extra energy has to go somewhere.

34:11SPEAKERI wouldn't, like I've bought AmazonBasics TV wall mounts

34:15SPEAKERand stuff like that before, I guess.

34:16SPEAKERThat's a good place to get something that's good enough.

34:20SPEAKERBut I wouldn't buy like an office chair.

34:22SPEAKER- Oh, I've seen, I believe there's an AmazonBasics

34:25SPEAKERlike monitor arm that people like quite a bit.

34:27SPEAKERThat's a good example.

34:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, honestly though,

34:30SPEAKERI'm a little skeezed out by AmazonBasics

34:32SPEAKER'cause it seems like the kind of thing

34:33SPEAKERwhere Amazon knowing exactly what's selling

34:36SPEAKERand what the like percentages are could decide

34:39SPEAKERwhich businesses they want to destroy

34:40SPEAKERon a business by business basis.

34:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:43SPEAKER- So like, maybe I don't know,

34:45SPEAKERI'm always kind of conflicted on Amazon

34:47SPEAKER'cause I do buy a lot of stuff from them

34:49SPEAKERthat they're very cheap.

34:50SPEAKER- My feeling is that that ship sailed

34:51SPEAKERas soon as you walk in the door at Amazon.

34:54SPEAKER- Probably true.

34:55SPEAKER- Like once you're in there,

34:57SPEAKERlike it's already indefensible

34:59SPEAKERto be even buying things from Amazon.

35:00SPEAKERLike you can't split hairs about what you get there.

35:03SPEAKERThere's no ethical Amazon under Amazon, okay.

35:06SPEAKER- I mean, I find it telling that like neither Google

35:11SPEAKERnor Apple really have strong Amazon presences

35:13SPEAKERwhen Amazon's the largest retailer in the United States.

35:15SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

35:16SPEAKER- Or in some other world at this point,

35:18SPEAKERlike that's a real like, hey man,

35:20SPEAKERif the other giant trillion dollar corporations

35:22SPEAKERdon't work with this giant trillion dollar corporation,

35:25SPEAKERmaybe.

35:26SPEAKER- Maybe this might tell you something.

35:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

35:29SPEAKER- I mean, you know, I mean, it's whatever,

35:30SPEAKERit's well-documented, but I mean, they did the thing,

35:31SPEAKERyou know, they ran everybody else out of town physically.

35:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:35SPEAKER- So there's like no end of categories of products

35:37SPEAKERthat you can basically only get from Amazon now

35:39SPEAKER'cause it's not like you can drive somewhere

35:41SPEAKERwithin driving distance and buy it.

35:42SPEAKER- 21st century Sears, baby.

35:44SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, okay.

35:46SPEAKER- Well, that's depressing.

35:47SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, let's move on.

35:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:52SPEAKER- This is an interesting kind of three-part question.

35:55SPEAKER- Ooh.

35:56SPEAKER- Not all of which I have a good answer for,

35:58SPEAKERbut some of them I do, from Laura Makes Art.

36:01SPEAKER- Okay.

36:03SPEAKER- I'm an old forum user and an artist,

36:04SPEAKERso I basically think social media sucks,

36:06SPEAKERbut I do have to deal with it anyway.

36:09SPEAKERI'm suddenly in a space where I could perhaps influence

36:12SPEAKERthe direction my day job at a creative software company

36:15SPEAKERgoes in, in terms of building some community aspects

36:18SPEAKERinto its platforms.

36:19SPEAKERSo I have three questions.

36:22SPEAKERThe first one is one I don't really have a great answer for.

36:25SPEAKERDo you ever specifically go searching for art

36:27SPEAKERon the internet?

36:28SPEAKERAnd if so, where do you go first?

36:30SPEAKEROoh, I'm more of a, let's say, passive art consumer,

36:34SPEAKERI guess, like I like what I see,

36:35SPEAKERbut I don't really like seek it out, you know?

36:38SPEAKERLike I see cool stuff on Twitter go by,

36:40SPEAKERbut I guess I would say Twitter.

36:42SPEAKERI guess that's my answer, I don't know.

36:44SPEAKER- So I used to go to, I used to follow artists,

36:47SPEAKERlike I used to use Instagram pretty passively,

36:49SPEAKERexclusively as a way to see work from photographers

36:53SPEAKERand artists that I liked.

36:54SPEAKER- That's a good point.

36:55SPEAKERI have followed some photographers in particular

36:58SPEAKERthat were working in a category I liked.

37:00SPEAKER- Like my Instagram account is following a lot

37:03SPEAKERof like mondo people and like poster art people

37:06SPEAKERand pop art people and stuff like that.

37:07SPEAKER- My little sub-genre is I was following

37:10SPEAKERa bunch of photographers for a while

37:11SPEAKERwho take photos of urban areas at night.

37:14SPEAKER- Ooh, I like that.

37:15SPEAKER- Particularly in Japan and Korea.

37:17SPEAKER- That's cool.

37:18SPEAKERBasically wet pavement and neon lights as a genre.

37:22SPEAKER- Like cyberpunk, the-

37:23SPEAKER- Kind of, a lot of back alleys,

37:26SPEAKERa lot of like ramen shops and back alleys

37:28SPEAKERwith like neon lights on the wet pavement.

37:31SPEAKER- There's, so I also hit subreddit for that,

37:33SPEAKERsubreddits for that kind of stuff.

37:34SPEAKER- Sure.

37:35SPEAKER- There's a couple of like, if you,

37:38SPEAKERthere's a couple of subreddits

37:40SPEAKERand I don't remember the names of them,

37:41SPEAKERbut there's one that's like people who take,

37:44SPEAKERwho basically do like street photography

37:46SPEAKERand video games that have photo modes.

37:49SPEAKERAnd I found them, I found those people,

37:51SPEAKERI think probably through Twitter, maybe,

37:52SPEAKERmaybe through like a PC gamer article or something.

37:54SPEAKER- Sure.

37:55SPEAKER- And then ArtStation is good too,

37:56SPEAKERif I'm looking to like hire someone or buy something.

37:59SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:01SPEAKERNo DeviantArt.

38:03SPEAKER- Not anymore.

38:04SPEAKERLike, you know what the problem with DeviantArt is?

38:06SPEAKERUltimately, it's not that it's like,

38:09SPEAKERit's not the sub-cultural nature of DeviantArt,

38:12SPEAKERit's that it's slow as shit.

38:14SPEAKERAnd you had to, you had to like eventually

38:16SPEAKERreach a point where you, or when I last regularly used it,

38:20SPEAKERit reached a point where you had to log in to do anything,

38:23SPEAKERincluding like browse.

38:25SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

38:26SPEAKER- And that's a no from me.

38:28SPEAKER- I was on there a couple of years ago

38:29SPEAKERtrying to get some, what was it?

38:30SPEAKERUI mods, I think, or wallpapers or something like that.

38:34SPEAKERSome, something computer UI related.

38:36SPEAKERAnd yes, it was like huge pain to deal with

38:38SPEAKERto the point that I just gave up.

38:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I miss like the,

38:41SPEAKERI miss like the art corners of old,

38:43SPEAKERof like big pre-Reddit message boards.

38:47SPEAKERYou know, like the, like Shaq News and Something Awful

38:50SPEAKERin those places used to have occasional art threads

38:52SPEAKERthat were really good and you'd find some cool stuff

38:53SPEAKERor wallpaper threads or whatever.

38:54SPEAKER- Speaking of old communities, here's the next question.

38:59SPEAKERWhen you feel nostalgic about the internet old days,

39:01SPEAKERis there a particular community

39:03SPEAKERthat you wish was still a thing?

39:04SPEAKER- Oh man, like ironically, like I started to say,

39:08SPEAKERmost of the ones, well, not all,

39:10SPEAKERbut like Shaq News and Something Awful are two examples

39:13SPEAKERof like communities that I hung out on way back when

39:17SPEAKERthat have still somehow like clung to existence,

39:20SPEAKERif not relevance.

39:22SPEAKER- I mean, I think there's, yeah.

39:25SPEAKER- I don't know.

39:26SPEAKER- Those old communities don't die,

39:27SPEAKERthey just kind of fade away, right?

39:29SPEAKER- Kind of, but then that made me think, you know,

39:30SPEAKERlike a lot of those other like quake spawn sites

39:33SPEAKERare long gone, like the hard OCP forums,

39:37SPEAKERI don't think exist anymore in any real capacity,

39:39SPEAKERwhich like, I don't necessarily miss those,

39:41SPEAKERbut like I did spend a lot of time on there

39:43SPEAKERwhen I was in my big overclocking phase.

39:46SPEAKER- Yeah, we had a really robust message board

39:48SPEAKERat Maximum PC for a long time.

39:50SPEAKERHard OCP is just the forums now.

39:51SPEAKER- Oh really?

39:52SPEAKER- Yeah, and like the most recent post dates are,

39:57SPEAKERwhat is Kyle?

39:58SPEAKER- There are people posting every day

39:59SPEAKERin a lot of the channels,

40:00SPEAKERbut some of them are like not so much.

40:01SPEAKER- What is Kyle up to these days?

40:04SPEAKER- I don't know.

40:05SPEAKER- Oh, here's a story on PC Gamer.

40:07SPEAKEROh wow, from only two years ago.

40:09SPEAKERHe works at Intel now.

40:12SPEAKER- That makes sense.

40:12SPEAKERThey hired up a bunch of those folks.

40:14SPEAKER- Hard OCP is getting mothballed

40:15SPEAKERas Kyle Bennett leaves to join Intel.

40:19SPEAKERGood to know.

40:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, man.

40:24SPEAKERLike that, I feel like my hope is that we're moving back.

40:29SPEAKERIt seems like the pendulum is starting to swing

40:31SPEAKERthe other way away from centralized internet stuff.

40:33SPEAKER- I hope, I kind of hope so.

40:34SPEAKERI kind of, I miss like little self-contained communities,

40:37SPEAKERcarving out their own subcultures.

40:40SPEAKER- Yeah, like when we got Chloe, actually,

40:42SPEAKERwe joined even like Yahoo groups stuff.

40:44SPEAKERLike we joined a couple of Yahoo groups

40:46SPEAKERthat were like Courtney owners stuff

40:47SPEAKERwhere you could ask questions and like that stuff,

40:51SPEAKERthat kind of stuff is really incredibly useful.

40:54SPEAKERAnd even that's kind of got subsumed by Facebook groups

40:56SPEAKERand Reddit at this point, which is a little bit of a bummer.

40:58SPEAKER- I don't know if I'm showing my age,

41:00SPEAKERbut I have always found it way easier

41:01SPEAKERto become part of a self-contained smaller community.

41:05SPEAKERLike I will never be anything more

41:07SPEAKERthan a transient Reddit user.

41:08SPEAKERI will never dip into Reddit any longer

41:10SPEAKERthan it takes me to like get the question answered

41:13SPEAKERor find the information I'm looking for and then I'm gone.

41:16SPEAKERLike I'm not going to hang out on a subreddit,

41:17SPEAKERbut I will absolutely hang out on a Discord server

41:20SPEAKERor a forum that is smaller

41:23SPEAKERand has its own thing going on, right?

41:25SPEAKER- At one point, Norm looked over at me logged into Reddit

41:28SPEAKERand saw how much karma my account had.

41:31SPEAKERAnd he's like, do you not ever post anything?

41:34SPEAKERI was like, why would I ever post anything on Reddit?

41:37SPEAKERLike, what do I have to offer Reddit at this point?

41:40SPEAKER- I mean, I will say like the one thing Reddit

41:42SPEAKERhas going forward is it's hyper,

41:43SPEAKERhyper specific focused communities, right?

41:46SPEAKERLike I've gone on there to ask questions about like domain,

41:50SPEAKERlike setting up a domain record and people had an answer

41:53SPEAKERfor whatever weird like scheme name or alias question I had,

41:56SPEAKERor like I went on the PowerShell subreddit the other day

42:00SPEAKERto find something like those communities go deeper

42:03SPEAKERon a specific subject than I think

42:04SPEAKERjust about anything else out there.

42:06SPEAKER- Well, and they've, they have become the repository

42:10SPEAKERfor like, like I will take a Reddit answer over.

42:14SPEAKERLike if I Google something and there's a Reddit result

42:16SPEAKERand there's a Stack Overflow

42:17SPEAKERand there's like five other websites,

42:19SPEAKERI'll probably go to the Reddit one every time

42:20SPEAKERbecause it's going to be the definitive answer.

42:23SPEAKER- Reddit and Stack Overflow are basically the two,

42:25SPEAKERnot that they're infallible,

42:26SPEAKERbut they've generally got the most kind of hardcore,

42:29SPEAKERdeep information.

42:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:33SPEAKER- Like, so it's, it's like, this is a tough thing.

42:36SPEAKERCause you're right.

42:36SPEAKERSometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad.

42:40SPEAKERI don't know that like the RPF is one of those message board

42:43SPEAKERcommunities it's hanging on.

42:44SPEAKERIt's the replica prop forum.

42:45SPEAKER- Oh.

42:46SPEAKER- And they're, they're a group of like people who recreate

42:50SPEAKERprops from films and TV and stuff like that.

42:53SPEAKER- Oh, that's extremely cool.

42:54SPEAKER- And they do, they do it.

42:58SPEAKERAnd I think it's because everybody has to work together

43:00SPEAKERto do the work that they do.

43:01SPEAKERSo like a lot of times those communities will do like,

43:04SPEAKERfor example, if somebody wants to make,

43:05SPEAKERif you have people working on R2D2s,

43:07SPEAKERyou'll have 30 or 40 or a hundred or whatever people

43:09SPEAKERworking on this.

43:10SPEAKERAnd actually R2D2 is a good example.

43:12SPEAKERCause there's a whole other community on a message board

43:14SPEAKERof the R2D2 Builders Club folks.

43:18SPEAKERBut if somebody is making, say Han Solo,

43:19SPEAKERif somebody wants to make a Han Solo,

43:20SPEAKERif you want to make a Han Solo blaster,

43:22SPEAKERyou go sign up for the RPF, you start hanging out,

43:24SPEAKERyou watch the Han Solo blaster thread.

43:27SPEAKERAnd then when there's enough people that want one

43:31SPEAKERand are willing to do some work,

43:32SPEAKERthen everybody kind of pools their resources.

43:34SPEAKERAnd like one person makes the,

43:36SPEAKERwho has access to metal machining stuff will do like the,

43:39SPEAKERthe nozzle, the, you know, the flash guard.

43:42SPEAKERAnd one person who has a wood mill will do the hand grips

43:45SPEAKERand somebody will cast a bunch of the frames.

43:48SPEAKERAnd, you know, then everybody shares parts back and forth

43:52SPEAKERand they, you kind of, you know,

43:54SPEAKERyou make a few extras of each person's part

43:56SPEAKERand then you, you sell those to the people

43:58SPEAKERwho didn't get their shit together to do the work

44:00SPEAKERand cover your costs on the whole thing.

44:02SPEAKERSo like, but that community is built around

44:05SPEAKERboth working together to build the things

44:08SPEAKERand sharing the information that they collect.

44:12SPEAKERCause like in some cases, like,

44:14SPEAKERlike people were working on the Han Solo blasters

44:17SPEAKERor new for a new hope for like 15 years

44:20SPEAKERbefore they found all the right parts.

44:22SPEAKER- Wow.

44:22SPEAKER- Like it's, it's like the frame of a Japanese replica

44:27SPEAKERof a World War II German pistol.

44:31SPEAKERLike, and like, and like all the,

44:33SPEAKERlike eventually people figured out all the bits.

44:35SPEAKER- Probably some of the exact film.

44:37SPEAKER- Like great replicas.

44:38SPEAKER- Some, some cam, some obscure camera part

44:40SPEAKERfrom a 70s film camera bolted on there.

44:43SPEAKER- Yeah. The, like the R2D2, the dome that projects the,

44:47SPEAKERthe little light that projects the hologram of Princess Leia

44:52SPEAKERin the first movie is, is literally, I think a,

44:55SPEAKERlike a, like a pilot's light

44:57SPEAKERfrom a cockpit of a World War II bomber.

44:59SPEAKER- Oh wow. Oh wow.

45:01SPEAKER- They can focus the light on the maps

45:03SPEAKERwhen they're in the cockpit

45:03SPEAKERwithout blowing out their night vision.

45:05SPEAKER- That's.

45:06SPEAKER- Luke's lightsaber is a Graflex,

45:10SPEAKERI'm gonna, I'm gonna mess this up and I apologize,

45:12SPEAKERbut I think it's a Graflex flashlight

45:14SPEAKERthat's also highly collectible outside of Star Wars.

45:17SPEAKERSo the flashlight collecting people are pissed

45:19SPEAKERbecause the Star Wars people have like destroyed

45:22SPEAKERthe worldwide market for those flashlights

45:24SPEAKERand then they mess them up by turning them into lightsabers.

45:27SPEAKERLike there's a, there's a, it's a lot, man.

45:29SPEAKERIt's a good community though.

45:30SPEAKER- All of, everything you just said is more interesting

45:33SPEAKERthan the Phantom Menace Jedi, like handheld communicator,

45:37SPEAKERwhich is just a painted lady razor.

45:40SPEAKER- Oh God, that one, yeah.

45:42SPEAKERIt's like a, it's like a, it's like a Venus.

45:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I forget what brand it is.

45:45SPEAKER- Schick Venus or something, I can't remember.

45:48SPEAKER- Anyway, poly count is another form I just looked up

45:51SPEAKERto confirm still exists.

45:52SPEAKER- Whoa, what's poly count?

45:54SPEAKER- Poly count is, it's been around for ages,

45:55SPEAKERlike since the nineties, it's a forum

45:57SPEAKERfor up and coming 3D modelers, hobbyist 3D modelers

46:01SPEAKERand people looking for work or have the, you know,

46:03SPEAKERprofessionals as well, like everything.

46:05SPEAKERBut it's just cool to see communities

46:07SPEAKERlike that still around.

46:08SPEAKERI, I hope, I hope the discrete forum makes a comeback.

46:12SPEAKER- It's, it's interesting.

46:13SPEAKERWell, I mean, I feel like we're starting to see that.

46:14SPEAKERI realize that it's weird to say this about Discord,

46:17SPEAKERwhich is a centralized service, but, but we're seeing

46:21SPEAKERlike each Discord is like a pocket of that

46:23SPEAKERin its own thing.

46:25SPEAKERAnd we've talked about this in the past.

46:27SPEAKERThere are open projects that mimic the way Discord works

46:30SPEAKERthat you can self-host now, like.

46:31SPEAKER- Really?

46:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:33SPEAKER- Really?

46:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so.

46:35SPEAKER- I'm forever on a quest to self-host something, so.

46:41SPEAKER- Well, but the interesting thing about all of this is

46:45SPEAKERlike it all ebbs and flows, right?

46:48SPEAKERLike we, we started out with the internet in the nineties

46:51SPEAKERwith AOL, like the, the mass consumer version

46:53SPEAKERof the internet was AOL for a long time.

46:55SPEAKERAnd that was all centralized services.

46:57SPEAKERAnd then there was a great diaspora

46:59SPEAKERwhile we moved out into, into a bazillion websites.

47:02SPEAKERAnd then the web 2.0 stuff consolidated everything back

47:04SPEAKERinto Facebook basically.

47:06SPEAKERAnd, and like the, the tide seems to be turning on Facebook.

47:12SPEAKERI hope it is at least.

47:13SPEAKER- Yes.

47:14SPEAKER- Because Facebook seems unequivocally bad.

47:15SPEAKER- Yes.

47:17SPEAKER- Yeah, so I don't know, fingers crossed.

47:19SPEAKER- The cyclical nature of trends is so weird to me

47:21SPEAKERbecause it's so arbitrary.

47:23SPEAKERLike it really, it really just seems like

47:24SPEAKERwhat are people tired of?

47:26SPEAKERIt's like, okay, you're tired of this thing

47:28SPEAKERthat five years ago was considered the hot shit.

47:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:32SPEAKER- Purely because you were tired of what we are now going

47:34SPEAKERto move on to something that you used to be tired of,

47:36SPEAKERbut have had enough separation from

47:37SPEAKERthat now it's interesting again.

47:39SPEAKER- I think that's right.

47:40SPEAKER- Like there's, there's, there's no logic to it.

47:42SPEAKERIt is just, I don't know.

47:45SPEAKER- I mean, there is, I think it's, I think it's,

47:46SPEAKERI think there is logic.

47:47SPEAKERIt's just that it's, you know,

47:50SPEAKERthe grass is always a little bit greener

47:52SPEAKERand we're always trying to make something

47:53SPEAKERthat's better than the last thing.

47:55SPEAKERAnd like Facebook wouldn't have 3.8 billion users

47:58SPEAKERif they hadn't made something that's better

47:59SPEAKERthan the last thing, right?

48:00SPEAKER- Yeah, I need to, I need to read up

48:03SPEAKERon like the cognitive science of this.

48:05SPEAKERI don't know what the research is underpinning it,

48:07SPEAKERbut I was reading a forum conversation the other day,

48:09SPEAKERbasically, I mean, it makes total intuitive sense

48:11SPEAKERthat like humans can only be happy if on an ongoing basis,

48:16SPEAKERif things are always changing and always improving, like.

48:19SPEAKER- But at the same time, we also hate change

48:21SPEAKERas a low cognitive level.

48:23SPEAKER- Right, but like you can't exist in stasis forever

48:26SPEAKERor you'll like your, the brain will go and set

48:27SPEAKERlike completely numb.

48:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:30SPEAKER- If you're, even if you're happy, quote unquote,

48:31SPEAKERif you have like all your needs met

48:33SPEAKERand like you consider yourself happy,

48:35SPEAKERyou won't stay that way

48:36SPEAKERif your circumstances remain completely fixed.

48:40SPEAKERLike things always need to be changing.

48:42SPEAKERSo like, maybe that's part of the, like,

48:44SPEAKERah, now we're on Reddit, now we're back on forums.

48:46SPEAKERYou just want something new to be excited about.

48:48SPEAKER- Have you ever heard, you heard about the anechoic chambers

48:51SPEAKERthat are so quiet that eventually,

48:52SPEAKERif you stay in there too long, you go mad?

48:54SPEAKER- No.

48:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so like those low noise chambers

48:57SPEAKERwhere they go to test like fan noise

48:59SPEAKERand radio interference and all that stuff,

49:01SPEAKERlike you can get in them, they're so quiet

49:03SPEAKERthat you can literally hear your own heartbeat in your ears

49:05SPEAKERand like eventually you start going crazy.

49:07SPEAKER- Yikes.

49:08SPEAKER- I've always wanted to go in one of those.

49:09SPEAKERI was thinking it'd be really fun.

49:10SPEAKER- It'd be cool.

49:11SPEAKEROkay, lightning round, last question.

49:14SPEAKER- Okay, what you got?

49:14SPEAKER- From Laura Makes Art.

49:16SPEAKER- We only did like three questions this week, by the way.

49:17SPEAKERThis is a new record, I think, in terms of-

49:20SPEAKER- I think we could work at least a couple more in.

49:21SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

49:22SPEAKER- Also for people who listen to the patron episode,

49:24SPEAKERwe've been doing more cues on the patron episode

49:26SPEAKERand nobody has complained yet, so.

49:29SPEAKER- Yeah, we're doing, we're doing, we're definitely,

49:30SPEAKERand we're getting into the sillier cues, actually.

49:33SPEAKER- Yes.

49:36SPEAKERWarbirds, stick around.

49:37SPEAKERIf you listen to the patron episode this week,

49:39SPEAKERyou might actually hear one of your-

49:40SPEAKER- Oh no, don't encourage them.

49:41SPEAKEREndless, unanswerable questions.

49:47SPEAKERI mean, look, I don't like Wake Forest anymore

49:49SPEAKERthan anybody else, but we're not gonna talk about it

49:52SPEAKERon this podcast, but there is one in here

49:55SPEAKERthat might make it in this weekend.

49:57SPEAKERAnyway, all right, last question from Laura.

50:00SPEAKERIf you could kill only one social media completely dead,

50:02SPEAKERinstantly and forever, with all data lost and unrecoverable,

50:06SPEAKERwhich would you murder?

50:07SPEAKEROkay, that was a lightning round, in fact.

50:09SPEAKER- Facebook.

50:10SPEAKER- I guess I have to agree.

50:11SPEAKERI'm trying to, I'm trying to like,

50:12SPEAKERjust kind of a little bit of a devil's advocate.

50:15SPEAKERI'm just trying to think

50:16SPEAKERif there is another one that's worse.

50:17SPEAKER- So here's the thing.

50:18SPEAKER- And I don't think there is.

50:20SPEAKER- If I could kill a feature,

50:21SPEAKERI would kill attention algorithms

50:25SPEAKERthat direct attention based on attention.

50:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that pretty much kills

50:29SPEAKERall of those companies though, which like-

50:31SPEAKER- Not really.

50:31SPEAKER- Not the worst thing.

50:32SPEAKER- Like Twitter has made us,

50:34SPEAKERI mean, Twitter hasn't made us Facebook money,

50:36SPEAKERbut Twitter does fine on a service

50:39SPEAKERthat is basically reverse chrono, right?

50:42SPEAKERLike they do definitely do a little juicing

50:44SPEAKERthe algorithm with the hot thing

50:45SPEAKERfrom while you were offline now,

50:47SPEAKERif you don't choose to opt out of that.

50:48SPEAKER- And the tailored trends and stuff like that.

50:51SPEAKER- Well, look, man, you make a good case.

50:57SPEAKER- Their hands are not clean here, okay?

50:59SPEAKER- No, but like, and just to be clear,

51:02SPEAKERI'm not advocating getting rid of WhatsApp,

51:03SPEAKER'cause I realized that WhatsApp is text messaging

51:05SPEAKERfor like a pretty substantial portion of the East.

51:10SPEAKER- WhatsApp was fine until Facebook controlled it.

51:12SPEAKER- Agreed, agreed.

51:15SPEAKERBut yeah, I think the damage

51:17SPEAKERthat Facebook has done is bad.

51:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I think YouTube is the only other one

51:22SPEAKERI can think of that is even close probably.

51:26SPEAKERSo YouTube is also pretty bad.

51:28SPEAKER- The difference for me,

51:30SPEAKERas somebody who used to make money on YouTube

51:32SPEAKERfor professionally, is that YouTube,

51:36SPEAKERlike there's a lot of good on YouTube, right?

51:38SPEAKER- Sure.

51:39SPEAKER- Like when I needed to figure out how to get water

51:41SPEAKERoff of the wall of my house this weekend,

51:46SPEAKERand they were like, you should pile up dirt

51:47SPEAKERand then dig a ditch.

51:48SPEAKERI was like, you know what?

51:49SPEAKERThat's what I thought I should do.

51:50SPEAKERIt's good to know that I was thinking in the right path.

51:53SPEAKERLike that's to me, that and like all the,

51:56SPEAKERhow to fix your toilet and how to fix your dishwasher

51:59SPEAKERand how to change the tire on your car and all of that,

52:02SPEAKERall of that kind of stuff.

52:03SPEAKERAnd like the art criticism that happens there.

52:06SPEAKERLike people like Mikey Newman doing his movie videos

52:13SPEAKERand every frame of painting and-

52:16SPEAKER- I would even go way more obscure than that.

52:18SPEAKERLike the week that we talked about the Altair 8800.

52:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:22SPEAKER- And I found that guy's channel with like 1000 subscribers

52:24SPEAKERthat does nothing but him doing extremely in-depth demos

52:27SPEAKERof an Altair 8800 very skillfully.

52:30SPEAKERLike that's the best shit on YouTube.

52:32SPEAKERLike if you want to talk about ratio of good to bad,

52:37SPEAKERYouTube is way better than Facebook for sure.

52:40SPEAKER- Yeah, and by its very ephemeral nature,

52:43SPEAKERFacebook loses to YouTube for me on that.

52:46SPEAKER'Cause all Facebook is, I mean,

52:48SPEAKERYouTube can be an anger creation machine,

52:51SPEAKERbut Facebook is designed to be an anger creation machine.

52:55SPEAKERAnger creation or like inferiority creation,

52:58SPEAKERlike the kind of the social media phenomenon

53:01SPEAKERof everybody else is having more fun than me

53:03SPEAKERand has more friends than me and is more successful than me.

53:06SPEAKER- Like you could fix about,

53:08SPEAKERyou could fix a large portion

53:09SPEAKERof what's jacked up with YouTube.

53:10SPEAKERI think by just switching the algorithm

53:14SPEAKERto look for more positive feedback than minutes watched.

53:20SPEAKERLike when they switched to minutes watched

53:22SPEAKERis when YouTube started to get really hairy.

53:24SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

53:25SPEAKERSo the, I mean, yeah, the idea of a very accessible,

53:31SPEAKERbasically free video platform has tons of merit.

53:33SPEAKERThe idea of what Facebook is,

53:37SPEAKERlike the thing that Facebook does fundamentally

53:39SPEAKERis probably a lot less defensible than YouTube.

53:41SPEAKER- Brad, a piece of ice just fell out of my cup.

53:43SPEAKERI was bad at drinking.

53:44SPEAKER- All right, time to move on.

53:46SPEAKER(laughs)

53:48SPEAKERWell, let's just bang through

53:49SPEAKERa couple, three others here real quick.

53:51SPEAKERJust got to get our numbers up here.

53:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:55SPEAKER- Luke, I almost said it again.

53:57SPEAKERI almost called him Luke JP,

53:59SPEAKEReven though it's really just not translating

54:01SPEAKERthe country flag properly into this Google doc.

54:05SPEAKERIn the past, how long have either of you spent

54:07SPEAKERtrying to perfectly set up FUBAR 2000 before giving up?

54:10SPEAKER- Hold on, wait a second.

54:11SPEAKERIt didn't, it has the flag on my Google doc.

54:14SPEAKER- Does it really?

54:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:16SPEAKER- Oh my God, okay.

54:17SPEAKERI think somebody actually mentioned that

54:18SPEAKERthe last time I talked about this.

54:20SPEAKERI think it might be an OS level thing.

54:23SPEAKER- So when does 11 is better, is what you're saying?

54:25SPEAKER- I'm not saying that.

54:26SPEAKER- Rounded corners when?

54:27SPEAKER- I'm not saying that at all.

54:30SPEAKER- Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

54:31SPEAKER- I think Luke JP is a perfectly catchy username.

54:34SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

54:35SPEAKER- Even if unintentional.

54:38SPEAKERI don't want to shock anybody,

54:39SPEAKERbut I am a fairly frequent FUBAR 2000 user.

54:43SPEAKER- Still?

54:43SPEAKER- Which means that I guess I got it set up

54:45SPEAKERmore or less like I like it,

54:46SPEAKERexcept I wish it had a dark mode.

54:50SPEAKER- Can't you just put another skin on it?

54:52SPEAKER- It does not support skins natively.

54:53SPEAKERThere are ways to kind of hack themes into it,

54:55SPEAKERbut I haven't bothered.

54:57SPEAKER- Oh man.

54:58SPEAKER- I exclusively use it for my,

54:59SPEAKERI've talked, I know I've talked about this

55:01SPEAKERon multiple podcasts and websites,

55:03SPEAKERbut my comprehensive library of synthesized video game music,

55:10SPEAKERlike the music dumped from the carts and CDs,

55:13SPEAKERlike just in the kind of tracked format

55:16SPEAKERwhere each song is five kilobytes.

55:19SPEAKER- Oh, and it can generate the MIDI?

55:22SPEAKER- So, so I don't know if for whatever reason,

55:25SPEAKERFUBAR is the player that everybody wrote all the plugins for

55:28SPEAKERthat's like, oh, here's the super Nintendo synthesizer

55:30SPEAKERplugin, here's the Genesis.

55:32SPEAKEROr in fact, it's like,

55:33SPEAKERit's usually actually broken out by synth chip.

55:35SPEAKERSo it's like, oh, this plugin does like the whole Yamaha

55:38SPEAKERseries from the eighties, which covers like the Genesis,

55:41SPEAKERthe, like a bunch of Japanese computers,

55:43SPEAKERlike a bunch of arcade machines, stuff like that.

55:44SPEAKERBut like, for whatever reason,

55:46SPEAKERFUBAR is the player that got all those plugins.

55:49SPEAKERAnd so I use it pretty much exclusively for that.

55:53SPEAKER- I'm surprised there's not an FPGA project

55:55SPEAKERto emulate those chips.

55:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I could see it.

55:59SPEAKERWell, so some of the Mr. Cores have music playback

56:02SPEAKERfunctionality now, if I'm not mistaken.

56:05SPEAKERI believe, I forget which ones, but I think some of them,

56:07SPEAKERyou can load up a ROM and just play the music

56:08SPEAKERthat's in there.

56:09SPEAKER- That sounds great.

56:11SPEAKER- But I, I want to say,

56:12SPEAKERI want to say the music reproduction and software is better

56:15SPEAKERthan the overall emulation.

56:16SPEAKERNot that the software emulation is bad,

56:18SPEAKERbut the music production is like pretty accurate.

56:21SPEAKER- So what's your favorite Genesis sound chip?

56:23SPEAKERDo you like the first one or the second one?

56:25SPEAKER- I own the first one, so the first one.

56:27SPEAKER- Okay.

56:29SPEAKERI own the second one, so I'm a second one.

56:30SPEAKER- Solved problem.

56:32SPEAKER- I never used FUBAR really.

56:34SPEAKERI would use it for like testing in for stories occasionally,

56:38SPEAKERbut I was never a dedicated FUBAR user.

56:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I never, I never used it either

56:41SPEAKERuntil I got into the video game music stuff.

56:43SPEAKERI will say it is good at tagging podcasts, tagging metadata.

56:46SPEAKERLike it works for that as a fallback if you need it.

56:49SPEAKER- Oh, that's good to know.

56:50SPEAKER- Not just that it's easy to do,

56:51SPEAKERbut like, as I have gotten into this fucking world

56:53SPEAKERof the non-standardization of podcast metadata.

56:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:57SPEAKER- Like for whatever reason,

56:58SPEAKERthe way it tags podcasts seems to be accepted

57:00SPEAKERby pretty much every app out there.

57:02SPEAKER- It's so weird that like that you can do the tag in one app

57:08SPEAKERand it doesn't work in the,

57:09SPEAKERit works in three out of five of the players.

57:11SPEAKER- Dude, it's insane, it drives me so crazy.

57:14SPEAKERLike I've on the next lander side,

57:16SPEAKERI have tried like five different solutions

57:18SPEAKERfor embedding chapters in podcasts.

57:19SPEAKERAnd every time a different mobile app

57:23SPEAKERis not able to parse the chapters.

57:25SPEAKERIt's just, it's infuriating.

57:27SPEAKERForecast on the Mac,

57:30SPEAKERwhich was written by the guy who made,

57:32SPEAKERGod, which one does Marco make?

57:35SPEAKER- Overcast.

57:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it was written by him.

57:37SPEAKERLike that's the only one I found

57:38SPEAKERthat does chapters right for everything.

57:40SPEAKER- Oof.

57:41SPEAKER- It's very annoying.

57:42SPEAKERAnyway.

57:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:43SPEAKER- I have a question from Justin Hall.

57:46SPEAKERWhat is your all time favorite OS upgrade experience and why?

57:50SPEAKERWindows 3.1 295, iOS three to four, PS3 version 2.4.

57:57SPEAKERWhat was the new version's killer feature

57:58SPEAKERor perhaps the old version was so bad

58:00SPEAKERthat the upgrade was a godsend?

58:02SPEAKER- Oh man.

58:03SPEAKEROkay, so XP SP one to SP two is a big one here for me.

58:07SPEAKER- Okay, we've talked about your dangerously unprotected

58:11SPEAKERinternet lifestyle before.

58:13SPEAKER- Well, just, I mean, the whole world's internet

58:16SPEAKERwas unprotected with Windows SP one, Windows XP SP one.

58:19SPEAKER- I know.

58:20SPEAKER- What was the PS3 update that turned PSN back online

58:24SPEAKERafter they messed that up?

58:25SPEAKER- I wonder if that's the one that they're referencing.

58:27SPEAKER- Is that 2.4?

58:28SPEAKER- It could be.

58:30SPEAKER- I mean, I feel like that has to be like an all timer.

58:33SPEAKER- I just, in terms of my personal excitement

58:35SPEAKERand granted I was, you know,

58:36SPEAKERthis speaks to my age at the time somewhat.

58:39SPEAKER- I don't, I don't think DOS/Windows three one to 95

58:44SPEAKERwill ever be topped.

58:47SPEAKER- Yeah, Windows 95 was pretty big deal.

58:49SPEAKER- Like.

58:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it gave me the internet.

58:51SPEAKER- Yes, it was a huge marketing push.

58:52SPEAKERLike, like yes, obviously they fed into that

58:55SPEAKERwith all the hullabaloo,

58:57SPEAKERbut it was also just a huge fucking, like,

59:00SPEAKERit basically, it was me looking at screenshots

59:02SPEAKERof the Mac OS and OS two.

59:06SPEAKERI started to say OS 10,

59:07SPEAKERbecause it is the brain muscle memory,

59:10SPEAKERbut it was two and it was two Mac OS had a desktop

59:15SPEAKERand I thought desktops were cool as shit.

59:17SPEAKERAnd I wanted a desktop and Windows 95 gave it to me.

59:20SPEAKER- Having a place to dump files turns out was pretty nice.

59:23SPEAKER- Like being able to put a file right there

59:25SPEAKERwherever you want it and just leave it there.

59:27SPEAKERI thought it was so cool.

59:29SPEAKER- The, yeah, I think, I think Windows 95 is a big deal.

59:37SPEAKERI think iOS, well, what was the second version of iOS?

59:42SPEAKERI don't think they called it that then

59:45SPEAKERthat added at the app store was a really big deal.

59:48SPEAKER- Sure.

59:49SPEAKER- If you had a phone prior to the app store,

59:51SPEAKERit went from being like a cool thing

59:52SPEAKERthat you could kind of look at the web on your phone

59:53SPEAKERand maybe, maybe like, you know, watch YouTube or whatever

59:57SPEAKERto a magical device that was full of possibility and wonder.

1:00:05SPEAKER- I honestly, I just remember the Windows XP SP one thing,

1:00:10SPEAKERlike SP one to SP two was such a big deal

1:00:12SPEAKER'cause like everybody's machines, like you were,

1:00:15SPEAKERif you made the slightest mistake with SP one,

1:00:18SPEAKERyour computer would just be infected as hell

1:00:20SPEAKERand you'd have to wipe it and restart.

1:00:21SPEAKERAnd like, it was bad.

1:00:23SPEAKERIt was a real bad time.

1:00:24SPEAKER- Yes.

1:00:25SPEAKER- So, yes indeed.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Okay.

1:00:31SPEAKERHow about, I don't know if you have anything to say here.

1:00:36SPEAKERAbout this question from Vitalor.

1:00:39SPEAKERWhat's in your .bashrc or your .zshrc?

1:00:42SPEAKER- What's that?

1:00:43SPEAKER- God dammit.

1:00:45SPEAKERGod dammit.

1:00:47SPEAKER- What's in your .bashrc Brad?

1:00:51SPEAKER- Not even going to get into the .profile

1:00:55SPEAKERor the .bash history anyway.

1:00:58SPEAKEROkay.

1:00:59SPEAKERIt is, it's basically the main configuration file

1:01:02SPEAKERfor bash or z shell.

1:01:04SPEAKERHow do people say it?

1:01:06SPEAKER- I always say zsh, but zsh is pretty wordy

1:01:09SPEAKERand not very elegant.

1:01:10SPEAKERLike z shell, is that what people say?

1:01:11SPEAKERI think some people might-

1:01:12SPEAKER- Z shell, z shell.

1:01:14SPEAKER- Yes, there you go.

1:01:15SPEAKERSome people might say zish.

1:01:17SPEAKERI'm not one of those people.

1:01:19SPEAKER- I think that, I think that's,

1:01:20SPEAKERI'm not going to say that those people are bad,

1:01:21SPEAKERbut I'm going to imply it strongly by saying,

1:01:23SPEAKERI'm not going to say that they're bad.

1:01:25SPEAKER- It's the default shell in Mac OS now.

1:01:26SPEAKERLike it's-

1:01:27SPEAKER- Really?

1:01:28SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

1:01:29SPEAKERLike two versions, maybe three versions ago,

1:01:30SPEAKERthey dumped bash for z shell.

1:01:33SPEAKER- Wait, is bash the old one now?

1:01:36SPEAKER- Well, I mean, z shell also is like 20 years old

1:01:38SPEAKERor something like most shells are old.

1:01:40SPEAKERI don't think there are a lot of brand,

1:01:41SPEAKERlike there's nothing new under the sun

1:01:44SPEAKERas far as shells are concerned.

1:01:46SPEAKER- Somebody has to have made a new, a new,

1:01:50SPEAKERsomebody has to have written a new shell.

1:01:51SPEAKERLike somebody has to have been like,

1:01:53SPEAKERman, I'm tired of this garbage.

1:01:54SPEAKERI want to write a shell in rust.

1:01:56SPEAKER- Okay, here we go.

1:01:57SPEAKERHistory of shells.

1:01:58SPEAKER- Oh no.

1:02:01SPEAKER- Well, first there were bivalves and then-

1:02:03SPEAKER- Yes, that is exactly the type of shell history

1:02:06SPEAKERthat I am finding here.

1:02:07SPEAKERI'll see snails, clams, other mollusca.

1:02:12SPEAKERNo.

1:02:13SPEAKER- Radially symmetrical or bilaterally symmetrical?

1:02:18SPEAKERTrilaterally symmetrical?

1:02:20SPEAKER- So I use z shell on my NAS in BSD

1:02:23SPEAKERand I use bash on all of my raspberry pies.

1:02:26SPEAKER- And I have literally not considered

1:02:28SPEAKERwhat shell I run on anything.

1:02:30SPEAKER- Do people really want to hear about this?

1:02:31SPEAKERI don't know.

1:02:33SPEAKER- Like I find it interesting.

1:02:35SPEAKER- I mean, I'm looking at the .ZSHRC on, on my NAS,

1:02:39SPEAKERtechnically in the little container,

1:02:40SPEAKERmy little Swiss army knife container

1:02:41SPEAKERthat I use as a whole ass BSD system

1:02:44SPEAKERwithout it actually touching the host.

1:02:47SPEAKERI like a customized prompt.

1:02:50SPEAKER- Okay.

1:02:51SPEAKER- Do you want to, I can tell you what my prompt is.

1:02:52SPEAKER- Is it your brad-ompt?

1:02:54SPEAKER- No, it's not.

1:02:55SPEAKER- Your shrompt?

1:02:56SPEAKER- It's not.

1:02:57SPEAKER- Shoo-rompt?

1:02:57SPEAKER- Thank you, no.

1:02:58SPEAKERIt's a standardized color convention

1:03:00SPEAKERacross every Unix-like in my house though.

1:03:04SPEAKER- I'm impressed.

1:03:05SPEAKER- It's, so it's, it's username at host name

1:03:08SPEAKERand then in, in brackets, the current directory.

1:03:12SPEAKER- Can you, do you have like a rsync or something

1:03:14SPEAKERthat copies that file across the network

1:03:16SPEAKERso it's shared across all the machines?

1:03:18SPEAKER- Kind of, I've thought about that.

1:03:20SPEAKERSo like in Linux in particular,

1:03:23SPEAKERI don't know if this is distro specific,

1:03:24SPEAKERbut in, in etc scale in Linux,

1:03:28SPEAKERif you put, you can put a common set of configuration files

1:03:31SPEAKERon any new user account you make on that system

1:03:33SPEAKERwill automatically inherit those, those.

1:03:35SPEAKERSo you can put like a, you can put like a,

1:03:37SPEAKERlike a tmux configuration file in there, for example,

1:03:40SPEAKERif you want.

1:03:41SPEAKER- I often think that that's necessary.

1:03:43SPEAKER- It is, it absolutely is.

1:03:45SPEAKER- But it's a tmux configuration file.

1:03:47SPEAKERI'm just gonna keep asking questions.

1:03:48SPEAKERWhat does the tmux configuration file do, Brad?

1:03:49SPEAKER- It's just the file that configures tmux.

1:03:51SPEAKERDid you know, like, like I believe out of the,

1:03:54SPEAKERout of the box tmux does not use a color,

1:03:56SPEAKERlike a 256 color X term,

1:03:57SPEAKERand then you have to enable that manually

1:03:59SPEAKERif you want colors in your tmux sessions.

1:04:01SPEAKER- Okay, Brad.

1:04:02SPEAKER- It's a terminal multiplexer, okay?

1:04:06SPEAKERIt's, do you know what GNU screen is?

1:04:08SPEAKER'Cause it's like that, except better.

1:04:10SPEAKER- Is it a new screen thing?

1:04:12SPEAKER- It's, it's like screen, but better,

1:04:14SPEAKERexcept screen does some things that tmux does not, but okay.

1:04:18SPEAKER- You know how it's choices.

1:04:19SPEAKER- You know how if you SSH into a shell

1:04:22SPEAKERand you were like, say you wanted to run a thing

1:04:25SPEAKERthat was gonna take a long time to run,

1:04:26SPEAKERbut then you like lost that connection,

1:04:28SPEAKERit's just gonna kill that session, right?

1:04:29SPEAKERAnd your thing's not gonna finish running.

1:04:31SPEAKER- That's true.

1:04:31SPEAKER- Tmux is a way to start a session

1:04:33SPEAKERthat you can then detach and run on that host

1:04:36SPEAKERin the background, even after you kill your SSH session.

1:04:39SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice.

1:04:40SPEAKER- And you can come back to it later

1:04:41SPEAKERand reattach the session

1:04:42SPEAKERand whatever you're running will be right there.

1:04:45SPEAKERAlso, you can split the shell session into multiple panes.

1:04:48SPEAKERSo you could have like, like a code editor on one side

1:04:51SPEAKERand like command line on the other side

1:04:53SPEAKERto run the thing that you were coding.

1:04:55SPEAKERSo for example.

1:04:56SPEAKER- I usually just,

1:04:57SPEAKERwhen I have something that's gonna take a long time

1:04:58SPEAKERto run in a shell,

1:04:59SPEAKERI usually just log into the web version of the shell

1:05:01SPEAKERand do it there 'cause that's persistent.

1:05:02SPEAKER- What if your browser crashes, man?

1:05:05SPEAKER- Well, if the shell continues, usually,

1:05:08SPEAKERwhether the browser's open or not, so.

1:05:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, you know, different strokes, I guess.

1:05:13SPEAKER- Life finds a way.

1:05:14SPEAKER- Different strokes.

1:05:16SPEAKERAnyway, I've gotten way off topic here.

1:05:18SPEAKERSo let me finish telling you about my prompt.

1:05:21SPEAKER- Yeah, what else?

1:05:23SPEAKER- I'm divulging all of my deepest personal secrets.

1:05:25SPEAKER- I'm really disappointed that it doesn't have Brad

1:05:26SPEAKERor Shu in there.

1:05:27SPEAKER- So there's more to it.

1:05:28SPEAKERThere's more to it.

1:05:30SPEAKERSo if it is a non super user account,

1:05:33SPEAKERthe username is blue.

1:05:35SPEAKERIf it's root, it's red.

1:05:37SPEAKER- Do you color code them

1:05:38SPEAKERso you can tell which machine it is by color?

1:05:41SPEAKER- No, but if the host name is green,

1:05:43SPEAKERthat means I'm on the actual host.

1:05:45SPEAKERIf it's yellow, I'm in a container.

1:05:47SPEAKER- Wow.

1:05:48SPEAKER- It's just color shorthand for knowing like

1:05:50SPEAKERif I'm super user or not,

1:05:51SPEAKERand if I'm in a container or not.

1:05:52SPEAKER- That is really convenient

1:05:53SPEAKER'cause usually I have to type some stuff to find that out.

1:05:56SPEAKER- I just don't want to think about it.

1:05:57SPEAKERAnd so if I see red in the corner of my eye,

1:05:59SPEAKERI know that I am still also for anybody screaming

1:06:02SPEAKERat your speakers right now.

1:06:03SPEAKERNo, I don't allow SSH as root.

1:06:06SPEAKERI don't even allow login as root.

1:06:07SPEAKERI just sue to root SU.

1:06:10SPEAKER- Okay.

1:06:11SPEAKER- In case you're wondering,

1:06:13SPEAKERpeople have very strong opinions about-

1:06:14SPEAKER- Are you SU instead of pseudo?

1:06:17SPEAKER- Excuse me, Sue Doo.

1:06:20SPEAKERGod.

1:06:21SPEAKER- Also my understanding is that do as is the hots.

1:06:26SPEAKER- Wait, we're supposed to be using do as now?

1:06:27SPEAKERI thought do as was bad.

1:06:28SPEAKER- Sue Doo has some pretty conspicuous security issues.

1:06:31SPEAKERI understand, they may have been,

1:06:33SPEAKERI think they've probably been fixed at this point,

1:06:34SPEAKERbut I think it may have hurt.

1:06:36SPEAKERI think it may have hurt Sue Doo's reputation a bit.

1:06:39SPEAKER- I'm gonna out myself here.

1:06:42SPEAKERI'm gonna say I don't pay as much attention to security

1:06:46SPEAKERon most of my BSD and Linux machines

1:06:50SPEAKERbecause they all live inside a firewall

1:06:52SPEAKERand most of them don't touch the outside world at all.

1:06:54SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess.

1:06:56SPEAKER- Which I realize also they're not real production machines.

1:06:59SPEAKERThey're mostly stuff that I like to dink around with.

1:07:01SPEAKER- Yes, well, you probably do have financial data

1:07:03SPEAKERon your NAS or something like that.

1:07:05SPEAKER- Nope.

1:07:06SPEAKER- Are you actually going to be targeted by an attack?

1:07:09SPEAKERProbably not.

1:07:09SPEAKER- I just saved my financial data in archive mega.nz files

1:07:14SPEAKERthat are encrypted with zip file encryption.

1:07:16SPEAKER- That is security through obscurity if I ever heard it.

1:07:19SPEAKERNobody's ever gonna find that.

1:07:20SPEAKER- There is a security term.

1:07:21SPEAKERI wish I had written this down,

1:07:22SPEAKERbut I have encountered it in the security world for like,

1:07:26SPEAKERyes, you have a firewall in front of your whole LAN.

1:07:28SPEAKERIf something got compromised on inside your LAN,

1:07:31SPEAKERyou still want security between the individual nodes

1:07:33SPEAKERin on the LAN, right?

1:07:34SPEAKER- If something gets compromised inside my LAN,

1:07:36SPEAKERI have a hatchet to solve that problem.

1:07:38SPEAKER- I guess that works.

1:07:39SPEAKERWhat if you're in Palm Desert

1:07:40SPEAKERand your NAS is being compromised

1:07:42SPEAKERand you can't drive back up here?

1:07:44SPEAKER- Look, there's robots.

1:07:46SPEAKERAnyway, I like my little prompt scheme.

1:07:49SPEAKERIt's very handy to-

1:07:51SPEAKER- That is very clever.

1:07:51SPEAKERI like that a lot.

1:07:53SPEAKER- And then, you know, I set some aliases.

1:07:55SPEAKERI like LS to give me colors and some like convenience symbols

1:08:00SPEAKERto help me know what is a link and what is not,

1:08:02SPEAKERwhat is a directory and what is not.

1:08:04SPEAKER- That is incredibly useful.

1:08:06SPEAKERWhen you have to like LS dash L slash A or whatever.

1:08:10SPEAKER- So my LS alias is LA.

1:08:13SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:14SPEAKER- So my LS alias to LS dash capital G, capital F,

1:08:17SPEAKERletter case A, letter case H,

1:08:18SPEAKERbut that is the BSD version of LS, not the GNU version.

1:08:22SPEAKERSo those flags will be different if you're on Linux.

1:08:27SPEAKERWe should do a whole podcast about this shit.

1:08:28SPEAKERI would talk about this all day.

1:08:30SPEAKER- I think we should do an open source podcast

1:08:32SPEAKERwould be great.

1:08:33SPEAKERI would love to do that.

1:08:34SPEAKER- Yeah, we should do that.

1:08:35SPEAKER- Like open source weird shit.

1:08:35SPEAKERLet's get into that.

1:08:36SPEAKER- Let me just ramble to you about the dumb open source shit

1:08:39SPEAKERI spend time on all the time.

1:08:40SPEAKER- Look, what I should do is just give you a shell account

1:08:42SPEAKERto log into my BSD machine

1:08:44SPEAKERand then you can scream for an hour.

1:08:49SPEAKER- I don't know if my heart can handle it.

1:08:51SPEAKER- It's probably not gonna be good for you.

1:08:52SPEAKERI'm gonna go ahead and tell you, I'm bad at that.

1:08:54SPEAKER- I exported a bunch of variables in this dot zshrc,

1:08:57SPEAKERfor example, like when we went to work from home last year,

1:09:00SPEAKERall of giant bombs video processing was handled

1:09:02SPEAKERthrough a Google cloud storage bucket.

1:09:05SPEAKER- Wow, really?

1:09:06SPEAKER- And because of the web uploader for that thing

1:09:08SPEAKERis God awful fucking slow.

1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really bad.

1:09:10SPEAKER- And I was having to upload 30 gig video files

1:09:13SPEAKERon a near daily basis.

1:09:15SPEAKERIt was like, okay, I can wait for this upload

1:09:17SPEAKERto finish for three hours before I can post this video

1:09:19SPEAKERor I started Googling and I found a little command line

1:09:22SPEAKERutility that Google put out called gsutil.

1:09:25SPEAKER- Oh, that's, do you know gsutil?

1:09:27SPEAKER- No, no, no, I was gonna say the command line utilities

1:09:29SPEAKERto upload to cloud services.

1:09:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:31SPEAKER- But we used to use one for EC2 stuff

1:09:33SPEAKERat our AWS S3 buckets at tested.

1:09:38SPEAKER- And it was magic 'cause we had a YouTube transcoder

1:09:42SPEAKERthat would basically you'd upload like a, I don't know,

1:09:45SPEAKERit was a MXF or something like a high, like a low,

1:09:49SPEAKERbasically would archive and post our stuff

1:09:53SPEAKERin the YouTube queue and then it would just show up

1:09:55SPEAKERin the YouTube manager like two hours later,

1:09:58SPEAKERpretty much ready to post 'cause it was transcoded

1:10:01SPEAKERfrom our post premiere format directly into whatever

1:10:05SPEAKERweird MP4 settings YouTube wanted.

1:10:07SPEAKER- And the command line was infinitely faster

1:10:09SPEAKERthan trying to upload it with even like file botters

1:10:12SPEAKERor not file bot, but fetch whatever the kind of universal

1:10:19SPEAKERpost FTP, FTP client for Mac was.

1:10:22SPEAKERThe one with the, it's a panic, it's a panic.

1:10:24SPEAKER- Transmit.

1:10:25SPEAKER- Transmit, yeah.

1:10:26SPEAKER- Yeah, transmit.

1:10:27SPEAKER- gsutil, which is the little Python thing

1:10:29SPEAKERthat Google put out for their cloud storage platform.

1:10:32SPEAKERIt does a thing that they call, God, what is it?

1:10:34SPEAKERSomething composite upload, parallel composite uploads

1:10:37SPEAKERis what they call it.

1:10:38SPEAKERAnd all that does is chop the file up into a bunch of parts

1:10:41SPEAKERand send each part of a different pipe in parallel,

1:10:45SPEAKERjust as the name implies.

1:10:47SPEAKER- The only problem with those,

1:10:49SPEAKERwould it completely saturate your internet

1:10:51SPEAKERor could you configure it?

1:10:51SPEAKER- It's fucking, dude, it saturated my internet so much

1:10:54SPEAKERthat even like think traffic over my LAN slow to a crawl.

1:10:58SPEAKERI had to find a way to throttle it

1:10:59SPEAKERbecause I have gigabit upstream

1:11:01SPEAKERand it's legit gigabit upstream, not like fake.

1:11:03SPEAKERLike I'd speed test at gigabit up.

1:11:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:07SPEAKER- Literally I was uploading 40, 50 gig files

1:11:10SPEAKERin like five minutes

1:11:11SPEAKERbecause it was literally just like red lining

1:11:14SPEAKERat 110 megabytes a second upload and not stopping.

1:11:17SPEAKERIt was fucking amazing.

1:11:18SPEAKER- That's the experience.

1:11:19SPEAKER- Oh my God, it was so cool.

1:11:20SPEAKER- We would, I would like not get text messages

1:11:24SPEAKERthat came in over wifi from iMessage

1:11:26SPEAKERbecause the internet was so saturated.

1:11:28SPEAKER- Totally, like I couldn't so much as play a video

1:11:30SPEAKERoff my NAS while this upload was going

1:11:32SPEAKERbecause it was just clogging everything.

1:11:34SPEAKERAnyway, all that is to say, I exported some shell variables

1:11:39SPEAKERwith like the Google cloud storage address

1:11:41SPEAKERto that video bucket and then some stuff like that.

1:11:43SPEAKER- Okay.

1:11:44SPEAKER- There's, you know.

1:11:45SPEAKER- Good stuff.

1:11:46SPEAKER- Secrets.

1:11:47SPEAKER- The type of stuff you put in your shell config.

1:11:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:50SPEAKER- Sorry, I did not mean to go on for so long.

1:11:52SPEAKER- I thoroughly enjoyed that.

1:11:53SPEAKERI felt like I learned a lot about you

1:11:55SPEAKERand I do remain disappointed that your command line

1:11:58SPEAKERdoes not have, do you have the machine name

1:12:01SPEAKERin the command line?

1:12:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the host name.

1:12:03SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

1:12:04SPEAKER- So it's user@, like @ symbol host.

1:12:06SPEAKER- Got it, okay.

1:12:07SPEAKER- The @ symbol is white.

1:12:08SPEAKER- That is the one thing I usually add to the shell

1:12:11SPEAKERso that I can tell which container I'm in.

1:12:13SPEAKER- Yes, I'm just username @ host

1:12:16SPEAKERand then the current working directory in brackets.

1:12:20SPEAKER- I think I'm gonna take your color coded thing

1:12:22SPEAKER'cause I've, since Windows had an SSH client

1:12:25SPEAKERthat's worth using now and I stopped having to use putty

1:12:27SPEAKERwhich sucks, I've been doing more just SSHing

1:12:32SPEAKERinto the DSD machine, especially.

1:12:34SPEAKER- Windows built in SSH client is quite good.

1:12:36SPEAKERI mean, it's just open SSH.

1:12:37SPEAKERIt's literally just a port of the good one.

1:12:39SPEAKER- Yeah, no, no, but it's fine.

1:12:40SPEAKER- So it's quite good, yeah.

1:12:42SPEAKER- And being able to know whether I was in the root

1:12:44SPEAKERwhich I should never mess with the command line,

1:12:47SPEAKERnot the root account, but the BSD root.

1:12:51SPEAKER- The root of the file system.

1:12:52SPEAKER- Well, the root machine, not one of the containers.

1:12:54SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:12:55SPEAKER- My rule is that I don't mess with containers.