76: Hell or Palo Alto

00:00SPEAKERwhat what it's not the hall well i started to say it's not the holidays but i guess that is

00:06SPEAKERreally kind of an all-year-round sweater right that's not you tell me it's for august it's an

00:11SPEAKERaugust sweater brad what there's no such thing as an august august it's the last month you would

00:15SPEAKERwant to wear a sweater in how long have you been saying it's always cold in august here man that's

00:19SPEAKERtrue that's true i you know august is the time that windows came to us god you're right you know

00:26SPEAKERdon't tell me don't tell me august 24th 20 typing again right now windows 95 i think it's 23rd it's

00:35SPEAKEReither 23rd 25th i thought was an odd number it was the 24th it was absolutely i fucking nailed it

00:40SPEAKERaugust 24th 1995 i cannot believe i remember that that's amazing were you waiting in line someplace

00:45SPEAKERno we ordered it we mail ordered it and i that's what i did ran home i was sitting in my apartment

00:51SPEAKERi didn't go to class that day which wasn't in fairness super unusual okay see i started to say

00:56SPEAKERon any other podcast i would be embarrassed to admit that i ran home from school to get my copy

01:01SPEAKERof windows 95 but then you just told me you skipped so that's if anybody's embarrassed here

01:06SPEAKERwell i was in college so it wasn't it wasn't like well it's like i my my strategy on college for

01:11SPEAKERclasses that were big was like you know get the syllabus show up for the exams that was just a

01:16SPEAKERwednesday yeah yeah i mean quake world quake world wasn't out yet by then but uh but yeah so uh i

01:22SPEAKERbought that windows 95 so that stupid windows 95 sweater it finally came and that's i love it

01:28SPEAKERit's very stupid it's very stupid um i don't think that's the whole cold open though i don't think we

01:33SPEAKERcan talk about the sweater for well i mean i was gonna say that's uh you know made 18 yes 18 just

01:38SPEAKERpast 18 years in san francisco i'm still not used to this area's completely bizarre backwards

01:43SPEAKERweather patterns august to me is to me august is still a hot month even though here it's more like

01:48SPEAKERcold and foggy and clammy all the time but sometimes it can be a hot month sometimes it

01:52SPEAKERcan be like 95 degrees it's just a crap that's true actually yes these days it can be anything

01:57SPEAKERyeah who knows in fact these days in fact i can be all those things at once you know where it's

02:01SPEAKERalways warm though brad where's that palo alto california oh i was thinking like hell or something

02:10SPEAKERwhat's the difference am i right sorry sorry to residents of palo alto um now palato palato alto

02:17SPEAKERwas the home of the first fries electronics that i ever went to was it really it's the it's one

02:23SPEAKERof the old ones so um fries started in like 85 yeah in the bay area i believe maybe not i don't

02:30SPEAKERknow uh but they uh they themed the stores for a long long time so like there was one that had

02:39SPEAKERa bunch of ufos in it yes like like 50s like space kitsch retro future stuff i've seen pictures

02:46SPEAKERit's just like a giant ufo crashing into the sign out front yep there's one that's in um the one in

02:52SPEAKERanahim which is pretty new has like space shuttle stuff inside it it's got like a space shuttle you

02:57SPEAKERcan sit in and like a vertical one up on the launch pad with the tank and the boosters and

03:00SPEAKERthe whole thing but the one in sunny vale in in uh palo alto the the sunny vale one

03:06SPEAKERi think the sunny vale one was a science fiction one but i don't think it's the ufo one i can't

03:09SPEAKERremember um the palo alto is one is the one we always went to i was a maximum pc and uh it was

03:16SPEAKERwestern themed and they had like hot air balloons with mannequins really terrifying mannequins in

03:21SPEAKERthem and like all the signs for the bathrooms and the payphones and all that stuff were like

03:27SPEAKERyou know old west kind of uh like ropes around the edges of a of a sign with the corners cut out of

03:33SPEAKERthe sign it was it's a weird place i don't know like a retail store with a little bit of personality

03:38SPEAKERsome pizzazz and look how far it got them i got bad news for you brad yeah uh last night they

03:44SPEAKERunceremoniously announced that like basically everything's getting shut down i think probably

03:48SPEAKERby the time you hear this it's all gone yes like i think it's like just the entirety of their

03:53SPEAKERwebsite now is the corporate letter kind of messaging saying here's how we're winding this

03:57SPEAKERdown i mean that's like probably the best thing ever like i've been hearing nothing about fries

04:02SPEAKERfor the last couple years but how insanely empty it was like literal entire shelves with no product

04:08SPEAKERon them is is the kind of stuff i was hearing i mean fries is the one that went to like a

04:12SPEAKERconsignment model right i feel like they tried that for certain categories let me see um because

04:19SPEAKERi feel like once you're at that point you are in real trouble yes 2019 it looks like fries is the

04:25SPEAKERone that went to consignment i went to a fries in austin a because i was surprised that they had

04:30SPEAKERfries in austin but b because i needed a specific kind of cable when we were there for a shoot for

04:35SPEAKERfu years ago and i went in and i was like this is in 2017 or 2018 it was empty then like it was it

04:43SPEAKERwas and this was like so there's two areas of fries there's like the 80s and 90s which is when

04:48SPEAKERi assume that you could like walk in there and see like like wozniak walking around buying transistors

04:53SPEAKERand stuff like i don't i don't know oh was it like a radio shack was it like full on here's like your

04:59SPEAKERyour parts area it's like i need this particular capacitor with this code so probably not capacitors

05:05SPEAKERbut but it felt like the kind of place like okay so in the 90s you had screwdriver shops right which

05:11SPEAKERwere like usually in kind of a cd part of town and you went in it was like full fluorescent lighting

05:16SPEAKERthere were a bunch of huge nerds there sitting around just talking about computer shit in places

05:20SPEAKERthat they could like the only place that they could have those conversations but but it all

05:24SPEAKERthose always felt cd is not the right word but like a little shady like maybe if you wanted to

05:28SPEAKERget some weird videos you could talk to the guy in the back and he took you up or maybe also there

05:32SPEAKERwas probably weed there okay but but like fries you went in and it felt like a best buy but also

05:41SPEAKERreally cd and grungy and it was the inverse of a best buy so you know like you go to the best buy

05:46SPEAKERand like there's a huge section of refrigerators and stoves and washing machines and like dvd

05:51SPEAKERplayers and stuff like that and then off in the corner there's like two aisles that have like

05:55SPEAKERthree video cards and a couple of cd roms and a couple of really expensive hard drives and stuff

06:00SPEAKERlike that this was the inverse so this was aisle after aisle after aisle of computer stuff and like

06:06SPEAKERwalls of cases you could look at any case you wanted god really yeah they had they they would

06:11SPEAKERhave all the video cards like they'd have the nvidia card and the ati card and the 3d fx card

06:17SPEAKERfrom like from like all the manufacturers that were making them not just like one video cards

06:22SPEAKERare one thing those are just kind of sealed products in a box but the case thing like how

06:26SPEAKERoften do you get to look at all the cases in person before you select one like i were out

06:31SPEAKERman like every case i've ever bought i bought sight unseen like i wish i had known so so here's

06:37SPEAKERthe thing though they were out so you could look at them and it looked like it seemed like you could

06:41SPEAKERtake them down and like poke at them a little bit but there was always a guy there that would yell

06:45SPEAKERat you if you tried to take them off the shelf so like pros and cons well now we know why fries went

06:50SPEAKERout of business they also they also had components in bags so like you could get white box kind of

06:57SPEAKERbagged oem style sound blasters and video cards and stuff like that there too if you didn't want

07:03SPEAKERthe retail box like it was it was a cool place and it always felt like there were secrets like

07:08SPEAKERif you went back in the there was always like there's the front of house and then there was

07:12SPEAKERa divider and the back half of the thing was just warehouse but you could look into it it wasn't

07:17SPEAKERlike there was a wall there there was no artifice about the fact that they just had all the crap

07:21SPEAKERthat they didn't have out on the shelves out in the back there and also literally had the

07:26SPEAKERworst customer service of any retail place i think i ever went really the the people were

07:32SPEAKERthe people who worked there were usually hopeless and had no valuable information but if you asked

07:39SPEAKERone of them usually some other customer would come and be like oh yeah i work at hp you probably

07:43SPEAKERdon't want this one you want this one and it would kind of work itself out um and then every time

07:50SPEAKERwhen you walked out fries was the first place that i that they tried to search my bag when i left

07:55SPEAKERlike after purchasing something i was like dude you're not searching my bag no so that's that i

08:00SPEAKERthink at the end of the day is probably why i stopped finding my best buys at fries wait you

08:04SPEAKERcan refuse the bag search yeah dude they can't make you they can't make you show like it's you

08:09SPEAKERdon't give away your right to your your your sanctity of your being when you enter a store

08:18SPEAKERstore cops can't get one over on you yeah they're not those aren't real cops it's

08:21SPEAKERfucking paul blart you can go to hell next time i go to best buy i'm gonna stand up for myself

08:27SPEAKERjust say no they can look at your receipt in your bag that's the thing you bought there but like if

08:31SPEAKERyou have a messenger bag coming in they can't look in your messenger bag that's fair yeah farewell

08:36SPEAKERfries we hardly knew you i did see several stories today about come people who were like when we

08:44SPEAKERwanted to spin up the free version of blog spot we just went and bought a uh 500 e-machines

08:51SPEAKERceleron e-machines wow from fries and jammed that into the office computer to see what would happen

08:56SPEAKERbecause it was easier than going to the colo and buying a real server and all that the billion

09:00SPEAKERdollar e-machine

09:30SPEAKERwelcome to brad and will made a tech pod i'm will i'm brad and may i say you're sounding very clean

09:36SPEAKERtoday oh i thank you after after numerous trials and tribulations the the the focus right like the

09:45SPEAKERfocus right interfaces i would not recommend after having used one for the last several years yeah i

09:50SPEAKERthink that seems to be the opinion of most people it seems to be the one that everybody has and also

09:55SPEAKERthe one that everybody hates well they're they've for a while they were a lot cheaper than anything

09:59SPEAKERelse that was out there that was comparable quality and but the problem is i think they

10:03SPEAKERit it almost feels like the old hey we make mac hardware but also there are windows drivers for it

10:09SPEAKERand maybe like though because i never had this problem when i used it with a mac

10:13SPEAKERfor for doing podcast recording like years and years ago and uh it's only when i switched to

10:19SPEAKERwindows that it started being janky with one specific api and it's the one that jitsy and

10:25SPEAKERdiscord use so um yeah anyway unfortunately it's the good api yeah it's the really good low latency

10:32SPEAKERone also you're it's starting to happen again let's just push on and see what happens okay okay

10:38SPEAKERthankfully it does not pick up on your local recording so people cannot hear what we are

10:41SPEAKERtalking about no this is just tormenting you just don't buy that don't buy a focus right scarlet if

10:46SPEAKERyou can help it and you need xlr into your pc look elsewhere the good news is there's a whole

10:52SPEAKERboatload of much better alternatives now are there okay to like five years ago yeah okay

10:57SPEAKERyeah it used to be that the only thing under 200 bucks with two input two xlr ends was the scarlet

11:03SPEAKERuh and and now there's like there's a corg there's a there's a couple of there's a there's a there's

11:08SPEAKERa there's several there was a big conversation about this in the in the music creation discord

11:13SPEAKERa few months ago that's great channel in the discord i've been i've been feeling increasingly

11:17SPEAKERself-conscious about my yeti recently i've been wondering if maybe i should uh look into a little

11:23SPEAKERxlr myself so you know the usb thing's real convenient but i've now spent i don't know

11:31SPEAKERabout a thousand bucks on stuff to make the xlr microphone sound okay and and then i still deal

11:36SPEAKERwith crackle all the time okay the more you spend on audio stuff the more fidgety it gets it seems

11:40SPEAKERlike i don't know maybe i'll keep trucking with this you know let let it die pretty plug and play

11:47SPEAKERto be frank who's frank uh emails right frank emails he's here with a boatload of questions

11:56SPEAKERthis week from our fine listeners take it away frank please do a voice brad do a voice you gotta

12:04SPEAKERdo a voice i'm not good at voices i don't know what's what's what's franky well sound like

12:10SPEAKERhi hi i'm frank emails and i've got some emails let's read some emails that's okay that sounds

12:15SPEAKERgreat frank thanks take it thanks for coming by we love it when you bring us emails every month

12:18SPEAKERi really appreciate it man uh what's our first email brad glad to be of service what's our email

12:26SPEAKERaddress man i can't read the emails until we look that's that's that's a different podcast rule we

12:33SPEAKERdon't have any rules like that here we can do whatever the hell we want in this podcast this

12:36SPEAKERfederally mandated reading of the address before i can get into the actual content at content

12:41SPEAKERdot town that's the email address you can send the emails and we read them at least once a month

12:45SPEAKERwell if you don't want to hide that content dot town you don't want to hear from the fcc do you

12:51SPEAKERlook the fcc they they can't catch me they can't take me down i'm unstoppable that's right yes we

12:57SPEAKERout of this country before they blink i walk away they i swear the moment you feel the heat you got

13:01SPEAKERto be ready to hit the door we broadcast on the podcast equivalent of international waters

13:06SPEAKERso yeah they we're over here in sea land no jurisdiction here just got our our floating

13:13SPEAKERpodcast paradise in the middle of the ocean you can juris my diction right here is what i'm saying

13:18SPEAKERall right first email signed lyman i guess that's how you say that all right you ready for this

13:26SPEAKERhit me i would have gone with limon by the way limo this is why you don't let me read emails

13:32SPEAKERwell it's not any of the names in his actual from field so anyway it's a handle it might

13:40SPEAKERbe a pseudonym of sorts yes all right here we go where do you position the windows taskbar

13:44SPEAKERoh god default uh right left or top do you hide the windows taskbar or is it always visible

13:52SPEAKERfor multiple monitors do you have a unique taskbar per monitor i didn't even know you could do that

13:56SPEAKERor is it duplicated thank you for answering this very divisive question ps right hidden

14:04SPEAKERand duplicated so right what okay you can make you can make the monitors the different monitors

14:11SPEAKERonly show the apps on the taskbar that are open on that monitor oh okay that's handy i tried that

14:17SPEAKERit was in it was maddening yeah i could see that because like i kept clicking on it we kept opening

14:22SPEAKERnew chromes on the second monitor where i'd click the chrome icon or whatever right and if

14:27SPEAKERsomething's minimized you have to remember which monitor you minimize on it on to find it right it

14:32SPEAKERwas problematic um what's your strategy here brad i'm curious the reason i didn't know that about

14:38SPEAKERthe per monitor taskbar is because i only use one taskbar what you don't have a taskbar on the

14:45SPEAKERsecond monitor my second monitor ain't got nothing but sweet real estate for windows how do you do

14:52SPEAKERthat i didn't know you could do that oh yeah yeah yeah i swear it defaulted to that i could have

14:56SPEAKERsworn when i hooked up a second monitor for the first time there was no taskbar but i maybe i'm

15:01SPEAKERwrong uh go to right click your taskbar hit taskbar settings whoa uh taskbar location on

15:09SPEAKERscreen combine it's in here somewhere you know you gotta go to multi multi multi monitor multiple

15:17SPEAKERto under yeah under multiple displays there is a show taskbar on all displays toggle which i have

15:21SPEAKERset to off uh i'm gonna try this i'll report back next week i think it's pretty good it's like a

15:27SPEAKERwhole extra how many pics well it depends on your monitor i guess or no actually i guess it doesn't

15:30SPEAKERbecause the height of the taskbar is probably fixed right unless you're using scaling you use

15:36SPEAKERyeah because if you're not if you're not scaling up then your taskbar will be who would use scaling

15:40SPEAKERin windows though it's terrible wait do you not use scaling i have a 4k monitor i have to use

15:44SPEAKERscaling i'd have to get binoculars to see stuff at 4k god yeah we never even talked about that

15:48SPEAKERi guess at 4k you're right you would have to uh yeah when i when i traded up to 1440p at 27 inch

15:56SPEAKERi definitely i definitely had a good two three days of like i don't know if i don't know if i

15:59SPEAKERcan handle this this might be too small for me but i got used to it you got there i think that

16:03SPEAKER100 ui at that resolution and size is about the smallest i could possibly do any smaller than that

16:10SPEAKERand i would have to scale but i've just always heard that windows ui scaling is bad like there's

16:15SPEAKERa bunch of windows windows is windows handling is terrible like there's a thing that steam does now

16:22SPEAKERon my computer that i don't understand what's happening but steam opens bit so i have i have

16:28SPEAKERthe 4k on top and i have a 1080p gaming monitor on the bottom right and the 4k monitor on top when i

16:34SPEAKERopen steam it maximizes the width of the of the sub that of that monitor full screen but it also

16:42SPEAKERgoes all the way down super wide onto the 1080p monitor and it just zoops around like crazy and

16:49SPEAKERyou like it just doesn't work very well it's bad i don't know what's going on with it it makes me

16:53SPEAKERa little crazy i could see that that's what grinds my gears i i just i can't help noting the irony of

16:59SPEAKERwhat you said about windows being very bad at doing windows i mean um yeah i mean it's you know

17:05SPEAKERlike their their priority is compatibility with legacy applications and there are probably eight

17:12SPEAKERbazillion different ways to draw a window in windows so look the thing they the thing they

17:17SPEAKERneed to do is is is fix exactly the programs that i use i don't care about any of the other crap brad

17:24SPEAKERof course it's only the stuff that i use that matters that goes without saying uh my my answer

17:29SPEAKERis pretty boring i i like a bottom taskbar and like i said do not use it at all on the other

17:35SPEAKERmonitors do you hide it no i do not hide it how about you what's your mind's on the left

17:42SPEAKERokay i could yeah sure i go top left i like the mouse up top left when i hit the menu to be honest

17:48SPEAKERso here is here's an interesting related question well do you still use a mac much at all not that

17:55SPEAKERoften okay i don't as much as i use especially working at home i'm mostly on a windows machine

17:59SPEAKERall day now but i was on a macbook for the entirety of the last like decade before that

18:05SPEAKERyeah i'm a left i am a left doc person for sure 100 left doc yeah no doubt and and the reason i

18:11SPEAKERcame to that is that you've got more if you envision if you've envisioned the screen set

18:17SPEAKERup as rows and columns you have way more columns than you have rows on a typical display right

18:22SPEAKERyep so so you should be taking up a column with your ui rather than a row which actually just

18:28SPEAKERreinforces your choice to put the taskbar on the left and now i'm starting to question my choices

18:33SPEAKERwell so it mattered a lot on my macbook air which had a relatively low resolution screen i don't

18:37SPEAKERknow what it was now but it was before they did retina displays on those things and when i moved

18:42SPEAKERto the macbook pro with the retina display it was less important but by then it was habit and i know

18:48SPEAKERit was it was all about losing like i don't know like 60 pixels or something at the bottom of the

18:53SPEAKERscreen for the doc i like i like my doc to be the the one that gets big when you mouse over it yeah

18:58SPEAKERthe magnification yeah i like that it looks very nice i have always really appreciated apple's just

19:04SPEAKERkind of the smoothness of their ui you know the yeah the focus on responsiveness from from os 10

19:10SPEAKERthrough the ios and all that stuff but so yeah i'm left side i pin all of the apps that i use on the

19:16SPEAKERreg yeah so like i can windows key one two three four five to open up the five most common apps on

19:21SPEAKERmy computer oh god is that a shortcut oh oh yeah oh what hold up so are you saying if i were to

19:30SPEAKERand you can use six again yeah it is in fact going to launch steam you're right

19:34SPEAKERthat's yeah that's a hot tip and you can tab it multiple times so if you use a browser that

19:41SPEAKERexposes the show tabs as windows thing oh what you can use it to tab through your browser windows oh

19:46SPEAKERmy god oh my god are you serious holy shit i think it only works on edge and firefox and firefox has

19:53SPEAKERbeen hinky lately so maybe microsoft right now is that not the business oh my god this is life

20:00SPEAKERchanging yeah you're welcome to what we do here holy shit i can't believe this like we should

20:07SPEAKERchange this podcast name to brad will change your life that yes that's the big promise yes that's

20:12SPEAKERwhat we do around here we're in the life changing business um are you willing to read from left to

20:17SPEAKERright all of the apps that you have pinned to your taskbar well i mean they read from top to bottom

20:21SPEAKERoh right because i'm on the left side yes of course uh i got firefox i got windows explorer

20:28SPEAKERi've got discord i've got steam i've got uh signal and whatsapp i got slack i got the mixer control

20:35SPEAKERpanel i've got voice meters macro button which i use to send hotkeys to voice meter on the stream

20:41SPEAKERpc i've got python to execute the little script that lets me use the knobs on my mixer controller

20:48SPEAKERwith the mixer i've got obs i've got audacity uh audacity is not pinned though that's the first one

20:55SPEAKERthat's not pinned so yeah all right here i go can i can i tell you where this whole thing breaks down

21:02SPEAKERbecause windows sync settings between pcs that you're logged into and i can't figure out how

21:06SPEAKERto turn that off so on my stream pc's monitor which is a portrait ultra wide 34 inch display

21:12SPEAKERi also have the vertical taskbar on the left side of the screen and it's gratuitous unnecessary

21:22SPEAKERsure bad and when i drag it from the left side to the bottom it moves it on all the other computers

21:26SPEAKERso i if anybody has any tips on that in real time like if you're logged into multiple machines will

21:32SPEAKERit just automatically happen on the other machine i don't know give me just a sec i'll tell you i

21:36SPEAKERthink it's the next time you log in that sounds infuriating uh i bet that's buried in the user

21:40SPEAKERaccount settings somewhere i couldn't figure out how to turn off sinking just that that really

21:46SPEAKERsucks but um seems like exactly exactly the kind of oversight that would exist in windows what do

21:51SPEAKERyou have pinned brad what are your parents here we go uh from left to right chrome firefox edge

21:58SPEAKERfile explorer how do you have edge pinned because i don't know look i'm not i'm not browser shaming

22:05SPEAKERyou here but new new edge is good have we not talked about edges new like modern edge is just

22:10SPEAKERchromium it's just chrome except we've talked about that yeah no i know we've talked about

22:15SPEAKERbut i just it's the same it's the same rendering engine as chrome it's basically the same thing

22:21SPEAKERi've got a microsoft bias uh i get it they can't make browsers there here's why i have multiple

22:26SPEAKERbrowsers well there are multiple reasons now but um the proliferation of web apps

22:32SPEAKERhas gotten me to the point where like i literally am just running multiple browsers so i can just

22:36SPEAKERbe logged into different services in different browsers and not worry about them colliding

22:40SPEAKERyeah you know that's a real real thing let's say let's say you're juggling two to three google apps

22:45SPEAKERaccounts at the same time doing all those in the same browser gets to be a huge pain in the ass

22:50SPEAKERbecause inevitably you will be opening like oh that's not the google drive i want i want the

22:53SPEAKERother one and no you can you can just well i know yes i know you can swap accounts in some cases but

22:59SPEAKERlet's say you also have to authenticate through octa for all of those and stuff like that like

23:03SPEAKERyou got corporate network bullshit dealing with multiple corporate networks at one time

23:08SPEAKERis even worse than dealing with one anyway tabs in your browser no

23:14SPEAKERso i pin i pin my email and uh my home assistant and twitter what does that actually do

23:22SPEAKERit just means that they're always like little icons on the left side of your screen

23:26SPEAKERhuh so like i have my hey email my personal gmail my work gmail interesting the tech pod email my

23:32SPEAKERsecret account that nobody knows about yeah it's really just condensing the tab yeah you know but

23:38SPEAKERalso when you open it the first time it all those pins are always there if they do it right firefox

23:42SPEAKERdoesn't handle it right chrome did it really well go to my oh look at that okay that's cool man

23:49SPEAKERthat's not quite as life-changing as cycling through all my chrome windows with a with a

23:53SPEAKERshortcut key but all right chrome firefox edge file explorer terminal like the new one windows

24:00SPEAKERterminal yeah the fancy one pretty good steam uh i guess we're calling it battle net again

24:09SPEAKERepic games store i used to have origin after that until i got rid of it whatsapp signal discord obs

24:17SPEAKERmusic b you ready for the last one what's music b it's what i moved to from itunes which is the

24:25SPEAKERmost it's the most itunes-like thing that is not itunes i could find except it's like a fubar

24:29SPEAKERa flower god damn it i was about to say you want to know what the last one is it's fubar 2000

24:35SPEAKERreally yes that's amazing uh music b is like it's it's a nice music library manager

24:41SPEAKERtype thing slash player but it handles it'll take any format including let's say you are moving your

24:49SPEAKERentire music library over to flack which apple is not you know like apple uh i think alack

24:56SPEAKERwhich is basically just apple's version of flack is the only thing that itunes will take

25:01SPEAKERyeah uh the the un un losslessly compressed aac right uh it's just it's just it's just lossless

25:10SPEAKERit's it's it's basically it is it is very similar to flack i think in terms of its internal structure

25:14SPEAKERanyway we don't yeah it doesn't matter when i when i went and re-ripped all my cds in flack

25:19SPEAKERand then itunes wouldn't take them i was like why don't i just get off of itunes so

25:23SPEAKERi used music b for what i would have used itunes for before and fubar is strictly for

25:29SPEAKERemulated video game music there you go so anyway that was a long time on that email but i'm curious

25:36SPEAKERwhat people think you know one of us is right one of us is wrong here who's right rad or me

25:41SPEAKERit can't be both yeah no there can be only one all right chris from edinburgh uh per the semantics

25:48SPEAKERdiscussion on a recent tech pod i can't remember which episode this came up on right at the start

25:53SPEAKERof the month was it okay this is maybe it was the it was the magazine episode i think this was this

25:59SPEAKERis when we i think you're right this is when we lamented that biannual has now come to mean two

26:03SPEAKERcompletely different things it's like inflammable wait has that one been ruined too inflammable means

26:10SPEAKERboth will burn and will not burn yes what dude means will burn inflammable also means will burn

26:17SPEAKERbrad it has to do with the roots i think i can't remember if there was there's a there's a

26:24SPEAKERlingthusiasm podcast about this it's really good but also if it's inflammable just just walk away

26:30SPEAKERif you see something says inflammable and you're smoking just walk away it's best to be safe

26:34SPEAKERi can't do this anymore okay per the semantics discussion on a recent tech pod i like to use

26:43SPEAKERtwice monthly and two monthly to distinguish between twice every month and every two months

26:50SPEAKERif anyone ever says biannually there is always a follow-up question about which one they mean so

26:55SPEAKER100 of the time it's just quicker to say it the long way from the start twice a year or once every

27:01SPEAKERtwo years chris isn't wrong twice monthly is yes twice monthly is a nice straightforward way to

27:09SPEAKERcommunicate what you're trying to say two monthly is just kind of is that does that qualify as a

27:14SPEAKERa kludge kludge how do you say that i always say kludge i always in my head it was always

27:20SPEAKERcool anyway that's that's one of those like very awkward to the point solutions right two monthly

27:26SPEAKERdoes not exactly roll off the tongue sounds a little bit clumsy but yeah like i feel like i

27:30SPEAKERfeel like well twice monthly i can get behind yes monthly that's madness well but again like you

27:37SPEAKERknow he's he's he's trying to circumvent a very annoying problem here which is that this word has

27:43SPEAKERdrifted into two very incompatible positions so which drives me insane i looked up the

27:51SPEAKERinflammable thing because i was worried i'd gotten it wrong uh-huh the definition from the dictionary

27:57SPEAKERis easily ignited and capable of burning rapidly semicolon flammable it does not actually mean

28:04SPEAKERwill not burn inflammable means it will burn flammable also means it will burn there we go

28:12SPEAKERokay it's because of the medieval latin i see okay maybe we should just move on

28:19SPEAKERi think that's best probably okay let's do that uh

28:24SPEAKERnext email is from friend of the podcast jeff grub we love jeff yeah dude jeff that hit me

28:33SPEAKERat night holy shit that agent 47 tweet the day that the stadium news came out two three weeks

28:39SPEAKERago was like well i just i have to i have got to give it up what did you do i miss it one of the

28:46SPEAKERmost one of the most masterful uses of twitter i have ever seen it was the day that the stadia

28:51SPEAKERfirst party i mean we just talked about this yeah last two two weeks ago to uh before that last week

28:57SPEAKERwas adam with the the stadia closure stuff a couple weeks ago uh yeah that's right when they

29:04SPEAKERshut down first part it whatever i am belaboring this he just tweeted a photo of phil harrison who

29:10SPEAKERas you may know is entirely bald he looks like agent 47 and and who and who is in charge of

29:16SPEAKERstadia more or less on the day that stadia sort of killed and he just in quotation marks excellent

29:24SPEAKERwork for that's a that's a that's some pretty good shit posting right there this was also right as

29:29SPEAKERlike this right when hitman 3 was like the thing like it had just come out man that hitman 3 is

29:34SPEAKERstill the thing that game's great yeah i need i should get back to that we always are having to

29:38SPEAKERmove on to the next thing which mostly is valheim now but valheim also is great how far are you in

29:43SPEAKERvalheim we uh we just killed our first troll actually on those congratulations yeah we we

29:49SPEAKERvinnie and i realized hey this troll that can really only hit you up close what if we just

29:55SPEAKERused our bow and arrow you can you can fat roll that thing pretty easily if you want to bust out

29:59SPEAKERthe old dark souls 1 skills so i didn't realize that either that was another revelation of that

30:04SPEAKERstream is that there are i-frames in that role uh-huh uh so that's also good to know but we

30:10SPEAKERjust kited around with bows and it really was not that hard but anyway i'll send you a picture

30:15SPEAKERafterwards but i decorated the guest room in my house uh with a bunch of troll heads how do you

30:21SPEAKERplace the trophies i could not figure it out you have to have bronze because you need bronze nails

30:26SPEAKERto do it interesting okay if you have bronze nails if you should if you come to my server

30:30SPEAKERi'll let you touch a bunch of stuff and then you can i thought about it i kept thinking about

30:34SPEAKERjumping on your server because i want to see cool stuff but then i'll just see all the cool stuff

30:37SPEAKERand then it's this it there's work yeah well that's the thing though if i if i see it all

30:43SPEAKERi may not want to do the work anymore oh i mean i need to i need to preserve some mystery that's

30:49SPEAKERtrue i built a three-story longhouse which wow yeah you know i would like to get some architectural

30:54SPEAKERtips so maybe i'll pop in for that so why is rss cool brad well i didn't actually read jeff's email

31:01SPEAKERbecause we went off on multiple tangents about how awesome jeff is for five minutes instead of

31:05SPEAKERanswering his question all right here's the email isn't it cool in our platform controlled future

31:10SPEAKERthat there's still this free distribution protocol he's talking about rss this is why i like podcasts

31:16SPEAKERtalk about rss for five minutes please i think rss is awesome it's that's pretty good matt howie

31:23SPEAKERposted a thing this morning that said uh remember when google killed reader and they basically

31:28SPEAKERfinished blogging they killed blogging at the same time and i think he's probably right

31:32SPEAKERthat's a shame yeah i know that seems pretty good blogging was cool uh everybody had a well on the

31:38SPEAKERother hand though everybody had a voice but i guess that voice wasn't algorithmically promoted

31:43SPEAKERso maybe it was okay this this is a difficult situation like which yeah it is yeah did you

31:50SPEAKERuse rss readers ever were you not did you bypass all that stuff really like early and early on in

31:56SPEAKERthe giant bomb era when we were trying to be like a news blog oh yeah i set up a bunch of rss feeds

32:01SPEAKERto try to keep up with news which was kind of handy but like not since then really that was

32:07SPEAKERthat was the last i like when when i was helping with the news stuff on tested when we first

32:12SPEAKERstarted i had a massive rss speed feed list and i kind of ducked out as soon as it's just a lot

32:18SPEAKERit's a lot like yes doing that do like doing that news job becomes a full-time job and as a result

32:24SPEAKERof it my feelings about rss are inexorably tied to what it was like to work on a daily news site

32:30SPEAKERfor a long time yes also it was uh it was easy to become a little cynical uh every time the exact

32:37SPEAKERsame story would pop up on every one of your feeds at the exact same time like you realize just how

32:42SPEAKERmuch everybody is just reporting on the same fence yeah that's inevitable i suppose guess what time

32:48SPEAKERthe embargo was it was 8 a.m yes or you know just even organically when things happen everybody is

32:53SPEAKERrushing to say some more stuff uh really simple syndication is that your understanding yeah dave

33:01SPEAKERdave um not dave pell dave uh i don't remember his last name why a guy named dave came up with it

33:10SPEAKERwith some other folks dave wiener dave that's it he's all over this wikipedia page he's dave is a

33:17SPEAKERdave is a silicon valley character okay character huh character uh wasn't uh

33:25SPEAKERhis name escapes me the other creator of rss aaron aaron swartz right i think aaron schwartz involved

33:32SPEAKERinvolved in the development of rss maybe he was not the only creator but yeah he would have been

33:36SPEAKERpretty young then he uh that's i don't know a ton about that whole situation but it sounds like a

33:44SPEAKERpretty tragic story of him being hounded over it was computer crimes that were marginally criminal

33:52SPEAKERyeah right like yes barely computer crimes right right and was just like i don't know

33:57SPEAKERwhy any of that happened but i don't know enough about it to really comment but it seemed pretty

34:01SPEAKERtragic um but anyway like the neat thing about rss was before we had xml it was a kind of extensible

34:08SPEAKERway for you to share information between websites yeah because like you could it supported contain

34:14SPEAKERit allows for containers so you can say okay here's an rss feed with the with the framework

34:19SPEAKERof what i want and then i want to have video or audio or or machine readable data that transfers

34:26SPEAKERbetween computers and you can do that with rss now we use xml for all that stuff but rss circle

34:31SPEAKERyeah would you say that rss uh qualifies as a as a right yeah i was gonna say does it does it

34:37SPEAKERqualify as a form of data serialization because i think that is that is technically what stuff

34:43SPEAKERlike jason and yaml is and i guess it's this is basically the same thing right it's just structured

34:47SPEAKERdata that can be read in and well you know it's just another markup language right no it is it is

34:53SPEAKERnot a markup language well what is it's yaml stands for yaml ain't a markup language oh i

35:00SPEAKERdon't approve of that grammar that's sorry that's don't talk to me oh it's not elm yeah i i don't

35:07SPEAKERknow i i mean for me rss was always about human machine to human in a repeatable like it's the

35:14SPEAKERneat thing about rss was it let you strip out the formatting for everybody's terrible web pages from

35:18SPEAKERthe early 2000s right yeah so like you just loaded pointed your rss reader at the washington post

35:25SPEAKERwebsite and you have to see any of their terrible ads or their or their bad layout and you could

35:29SPEAKERjust see the web pages the you just got the content which yeah because a magazine person

35:35SPEAKERkind of offensive because like you know magazines half half design half content yeah ah that's all

35:41SPEAKERin the past old man yeah i know we don't do that anymore that that's just wasted money and time

35:46SPEAKERso yeah content as fast as possible yeah let her rip uh rss very good if you run a podcast

35:53SPEAKERi could say that oh i mean it's either that or spotify if you want to distribute podcast to

35:58SPEAKERpeople not a lot of other options which you know we should probably be thankful that it is a free

36:02SPEAKERopen standard that still drives the distribution of podcasts and not something much worse hey check

36:08SPEAKERout my soundcloud um uh can we talk about adam curry the pod father oh oh the inventor of podcasts

36:15SPEAKERwhat co-inventor right wasn't it mtv's adam curry vj former vj yes vj and podcast inventor

36:24SPEAKERentrepreneur yeah what about him i don't know it's just weird that he disappeared after inventing the

36:29SPEAKERpodcast you'd think he'd have a podcast now i don't know that he had a plan to monetize it

36:33SPEAKERnecessarily well i mean in the beginning so our podcast budget by which i mean three headset

36:41SPEAKERmicrophones and paying an editor once a month or twice a month uh came out of marketing we treated

36:47SPEAKERit as a marketing expense at max pc when we started the podcast yeah okay this says he

36:53SPEAKERadam curry founded his podcast company in january 2005 which is early but not like

36:59SPEAKERinventing podcasts early necessarily 2005 is when did it start you guys were one of the first ones

37:06SPEAKERtoo pc gamer podcast hotspot yeah pc gamer was i think around the same time uh hotspot was oh five

37:12SPEAKERas well i think also it's entirely possible he started the podcast before he started the company

37:19SPEAKERoh yeah totally yeah i'm sure that stuff was happening work was was going on

37:23SPEAKERyeah sorry here i am on archive.org it does not have a date on the episode sadly apparently whoa

37:30SPEAKERnow it's playing in my earphones i'm sorry apparently the first episode of the hot so

37:33SPEAKERoh there there's the date july 20th 2005 it's a mid mid 2005 adam adam curry had us beat by

37:39SPEAKERsix months also the first episode of the hot spot was less than 15 minutes long

37:45SPEAKERwow it was like a segment pretty wild when you think about it anyway um but yeah so so podcasts

37:53SPEAKERare cool it's i think do people use rss for anything other than podcasts at this point

37:58SPEAKERi don't know people should yeah well it was right in right in let's know yeah i'm curious actually

38:04SPEAKERyeah honestly i would love to hear about some novel uses of rss because i don't really know of

38:08SPEAKERany anymore like i like i said just use it we use it for putting out the podcast i used to have um

38:14SPEAKERrss tied to like an ifttt like service so that when specific sites posted something in really

38:21SPEAKERspecific sub channels that i wanted to know about for work i could get a notification so like the

38:26SPEAKERvideo card sub channel on anandtech if somebody if he posted something i would get a text message

38:31SPEAKERfrom from that service yeah that's which was really cool it was like push news point cast

38:38SPEAKERall the hot gpu news as fast as possible yeah all right uh brian from la uh with the announcement

38:46SPEAKERthat there is a future for playstation vr i'm wondering what your thoughts are on the new

38:51SPEAKERfeatures in the new hardware what are the must-haves i know they made mention of new

38:56SPEAKERcontrollers which is awesome but i'm wondering if there will be inside out tracking or a wireless

39:00SPEAKERconnection i started with an original playstation vr and it's still an awesome and the most

39:05SPEAKERcomfortable headset i've never had any tracking issues using it you are very fortunate um i

39:11SPEAKERrecently got a quest 2 and wirelessly played alex on that so i'm excited to see what will be in a

39:16SPEAKERnew psvr i think the knock-on effect of first party of vr can only lead to more and better

39:22SPEAKERsoftware too um so they didn't put out a ton of info on this other than yeah like honestly the

39:30SPEAKERbiggest revelation is and we just covered this like for that pr episode was only what a monthish

39:34SPEAKERago this month sometime yeah last time jim ryan talked about playstation vr he really threw cold

39:41SPEAKERwater on it it's very much like that's not coming next year it's not coming a year after that like

39:45SPEAKERwe'd sure if you are school we'll get back around to that sometime probably this this seemed very

39:50SPEAKERmuch like a partner's heard that cut that statement and like flipped out and everybody

39:55SPEAKERcalled their their rep and we're like hey man we're spending a bunch of money making these

40:00SPEAKERvr games for for your platform it's going to still be a thing in two years right yes the dgs while

40:05SPEAKERwhile people like us were out there going like oh it sounds like they might be abandoning vr

40:08SPEAKERand i'm sure that did not go over well i mean the weird we talked about this but it's weird that

40:13SPEAKERthey've sold like four or five million headsets and it's still an in concept like not it's not

40:18SPEAKERan inconsequential part but it's a very small part of their larger playstation business which is well

40:22SPEAKERthat i mean that that just speaks to how big the install base of the ps4 actually is i mean it is

40:26SPEAKERmassive um but you know like the old psvr support on the ps5 could be better like it's really not

40:33SPEAKERgreat uh like they have not stayed behind that thing as well as they could have well

40:38SPEAKERso the the psvr they didn't give any specifics about what they're doing all they said it was

40:42SPEAKERgonna was gonna is that it will have uh higher resolution better screens i think he said better

40:48SPEAKERergonomics for the hand controllers which tells me they're getting rid of moves finally yes yes

40:53SPEAKERyeah so the two like data points out of this like tangible piece of information are new controllers

40:58SPEAKERincorporating some of the features of the dual sense is what they said so like to me that is like

41:02SPEAKERprobably the resistive adapter triggers it's the triggers triggers and like i don't know what else

41:08SPEAKERmaybe have to probably the haptics right like the haptics are very good in that controller as well

41:13SPEAKERuh the other thing is that they explicitly said it will be an easy single cord setup

41:18SPEAKERwhich at first i was pretty bummed that it is not going to be wireless i don't know if that's a pipe

41:22SPEAKERdream for a headset that's probably gonna have to be like if it's under 500 bucks it's not gonna be

41:27SPEAKERgod i was i was gonna say like three to four hundred max right i would assume you're at the

41:32SPEAKERquest price point if you want to be competitive right so yeah so maybe that was never gonna happen

41:37SPEAKERto get wireless in that category but i mean it the single cord is almost definitely just a single

41:43SPEAKERusb-c into the front of the ps5 right it has to be that is there a usb-c on the front of the ps5

41:48SPEAKERyes i would hope so okay like there cannot be another breakout box right

41:54SPEAKERlook well i mean honestly i i have to assume single cord setup probably implicitly is saying

41:59SPEAKERthere's no there's no breakout box right surely that that's what that says to me it also means

42:04SPEAKERthere's no power dongle too which is nice yeah because that's awesome like that actually is

42:08SPEAKERpretty damn convenient if i don't mind a cord if it is a cord and it just plugs straight into the

42:13SPEAKERconsole like that's that's pretty great so from where i sat i've spent a fair amount of time with

42:17SPEAKERthe ps ps vr like the actual headset's really good especially given when it came out and that

42:23SPEAKERthey haven't updated in the last four years the the the screen's pretty good the refresh rates

42:30SPEAKERthat it supports are not great today but they were fine at launch and they work fine for the

42:34SPEAKERcapacity of the ps4 especially the stock one not the pro the comfort is the best of all those first

42:41SPEAKERgen headsets it's it's fantastic yeah the halo is really good and the way it slides on and off your

42:46SPEAKERface is super comfy the one i will say that rubberized kind of forehead sort of let's say

42:51SPEAKERyou're streaming a vr game for a very long period of time like it can get a little sweaty in there

42:55SPEAKERafter a while but yeah but at least it doesn't get squishy and wet like the actually you're right

43:00SPEAKERyou're right actually because it is rubber you can kind of just wipe it down pretty easily yeah

43:03SPEAKERit's super easy to clean when you're doing demos and stuff like that um the i wish so okay so

43:09SPEAKERthat's the stuff that's good uh the stuff that was cheap also good or relatively speaking the

43:15SPEAKERbad stuff is that moves are bad uh it didn't have integrated audio that that little the headset that

43:23SPEAKERit came with was bad and like not having headphones built into the into the ring into the halo is a

43:28SPEAKERreal oversight i mean i understand they were keeping costs down but but damn um and the the

43:35SPEAKERmoves are just like exceptionally bad both from a tracking and ergonomic standpoint like i i under

43:41SPEAKERi'm sure that that's the only way they could make that thing happen is by leveraging the hardware

43:46SPEAKERthat they didn't sell from the previous generation but but like man what a what a missed out like

43:52SPEAKERbut if if they had had a controller with two lights on it instead of one so they could get

43:57SPEAKERactual accurate z positioning it could have been such a better device for stuff like beat saber and

44:03SPEAKERand and pistol like i mean that stuff works fine but it's not yeah yeah as much as it was a decent

44:09SPEAKERfirst effort effort it was kind of hamstrung out the gate um do you think valve ports alex to a

44:15SPEAKERpolice station vr2 if sony writes him a big enough check probably yeah you don't think you don't

44:21SPEAKERthink they would just do it on their own i mean why did they make orange box on ps3 yeah that's

44:28SPEAKERright why did they bring steam to ps3 yeah okay fine i don't know i'm i'm pretty bullish on the

44:34SPEAKERidea of a new playstation vr i think that what they're saying so far sounds like it could be

44:39SPEAKERpretty good oh you know i missed the actual best thing which is that sony has a boatload of studios

44:45SPEAKERand they're willing to devote actual top-tier triple-a game devs yes he did mention first

44:51SPEAKERparty stuff i mean you know i i would not necessarily expect like a naughty dog or a

44:56SPEAKERsony santa monica to be making a vr game look yeah no that's that's too much budget to throw

45:02SPEAKERat something that has a an absolute ceiling of like you know a small few million people

45:08SPEAKERthat could buy it but but but like you know like japan studio like a sobi studio like some of those

45:13SPEAKERyou know that have made the astro bots and some stuff like that like yeah well and and also like

45:19SPEAKERthe thing that it seemed like they're maybe doing and this may be just my perception but the thing

45:23SPEAKERthat they do with like london heist and stuff like that is they take they did the same thing

45:27SPEAKERthat ub did with that con grow home was that that game where they had like yeah they like built an

45:32SPEAKERindie team inside ub that just went made these weird games yes that is the kind of thing they

45:37SPEAKERabsolutely can and should support yeah that is what that is what i would love to see coming out

45:41SPEAKERof sony's take the people that like want to make smaller games and and give them some agency and

45:47SPEAKERlet them go experiment and make weird stuff in vr that sounds great and with the like massively

45:53SPEAKERincreased horsepower the ps5 maybe more of their first party releases have like optional vr stuff

45:58SPEAKERyou know like more triple a stuff is like oh here is a vr mode in this because like we have the

46:03SPEAKERhorsepower to run these assets at these frame rates now well and the other thing that we've

46:07SPEAKERlearned over the last few years is that the higher frame rate you can deliver in the headset the

46:12SPEAKERfewer people get motion sick when you do things that make people motion sick like move the camera

46:17SPEAKERin a linear motion without any acceleration like you know immediate acceleration to your desired

46:22SPEAKERspeed a lot more people can do that than we kind of thought in like 2016 2017 we're able to handle

46:29SPEAKERthat so it's um i mean it's it's an interesting place for them to be i'm glad they're i'm glad

46:35SPEAKERthey're still doing vr i think it's important i think it's good that sony is doing first party

46:39SPEAKERgames agreed they have a lot of good studios yeah um from uh vr to ar question from ed

46:49SPEAKERas more and more things point towards uh augmented reality becoming mainstream in the somewhat near

46:54SPEAKERfuture for example apple's ar glasses my question is what do you think that ar is going to be used

46:59SPEAKERfor so many examples that i have seen have been disappointing of existing ar apps there are only

47:05SPEAKERtwo i've seen that i and thought i would use that measure um i'm not familiar with measure maybe you

47:11SPEAKERare but i can infer because he says i usually forget about that and have already grabbed an

47:17SPEAKERactual tape measure so i assume that's some kind of so it's a built into ios app that uses the tape

47:23SPEAKERuses the depth cameras to give you okay moderately accurate distance measurements my iphone my iphone

47:29SPEAKERis too old for me to have seen that sadly uh and the other one is ubiquity's ar app that lets you

47:36SPEAKERsee what is plugged into which port on their switches and routers have you seen that that

47:40SPEAKERseems magic uh twinkle twinkie on the discord has one of those and he posted some videos of it and

47:45SPEAKERthat shit is fucking cool i i i want that so bad it is the coolest thing i is probably the single

47:51SPEAKERcoolest thing i have seen ar used for it is like to to be clear what we're talking about is like

47:56SPEAKERyou know if you've ever seen a rack mounted switch i mean there's like what two dozen

48:01SPEAKERuh-huh or even more 48 in some cases ethernet ports on those things and this thing just lets

48:08SPEAKERyou hold your phone up to the front of that switch and pan across and it will just pop little

48:13SPEAKERfuturistic looking holograms up showing you know each device that is connected to those ports

48:18SPEAKERand it shows host names or something right i think so yeah because it would know that it would know

48:23SPEAKERwhich port has which host name you know which device connected to it yeah you don't even you

48:28SPEAKERdon't even have to set all that stuff up yourself it is it is awesome um um so i like i want like

48:35SPEAKERturn by turn nav in ar yeah yeah let me let me let me run down his examples here he gave some

48:41SPEAKERthoughts uh for future things here are some of my thoughts directions but super localized for

48:46SPEAKERexample where something is in this particular store it's kind of a cool idea um if the ar

48:52SPEAKERglasses could be tied into your car it would be cool to see your dashboard display beamed into

48:57SPEAKERfloating reality in front of you uh another cool thing might be manuals for things example being

49:03SPEAKERyou're looking at an engine and you could ask where these spark plugs are and it would highlight them

49:08SPEAKERuh i could be i could also see ar being very useful in industry for the same reason

49:13SPEAKERuh and i would love for ar glasses to pop a person's name up because i am horrible at

49:18SPEAKERremembering names and faces however the privacy issues with that are obvious really mixed feelings

49:24SPEAKERon this um i like the that's kind of an interesting idea with the store thing like i wonder

49:32SPEAKERyou could almost see some future some ar future where there's like open standards where you just

49:36SPEAKERkind of passively connect to some stores ar feed when you walk in and you can just kind of get

49:41SPEAKERstuff popped up in front of you that leads you around does that make sense yeah like i've always

49:45SPEAKERwanted to just have my my grocery list in the store like in an app and just have it like

49:52SPEAKERtraveling salesman my route through the store so i don't think about it cool as hell if you could

49:56SPEAKERfeed a list of products in and have it kind of just route out where everything is and you just

50:00SPEAKERgo get it yeah and then and then like if you're if you're looking in the hydrox aisle nebisco could

50:05SPEAKERchuck some money toward the grocery store and do a little bit of an ad that says that just paints

50:11SPEAKERover the hydroxes that says oreos you know two shelves to the right oh boy i don't like this so

50:18SPEAKERmuch anymore have you have you read vernor vinges um uh what's vernor vinges book uh not the ones

50:26SPEAKERabout the wolves it's um i can't remember the name newton's newton something maybe

50:36SPEAKERuh but it's all about this it's about what goes wrong if you're not if the world you're looking

50:40SPEAKERat interacting with isn't uh necessarily the one that you see you know is is allowed to be

50:47SPEAKERoverridden by corporations huh well i think we're gonna find out pretty soon probably yeah yeah um

50:57SPEAKERi like turn by turn nav yeah that's an obvious one i'm sitting here trying to think of some

51:02SPEAKERso google you if you haven't used maps lately when you open maps and you're like in a downtown area

51:08SPEAKERit's like it says hey if you put your phone at the skyline we'll we'll be able to like exactly

51:14SPEAKERposition where you are rather than the 20 or 30 feet that that like your orientation and your

51:19SPEAKERposition more accurately um which is cool so here's my oh i'm sorry oh no it's like it's like when

51:26SPEAKERyou walk down downtown san francisco there's enough metal around that the compass doesn't

51:29SPEAKERwork right most people's phones yeah so like you you your turn by turn is a little bit inaccurate

51:36SPEAKERi guess like here here's my real question like you know drawing on what he said like the

51:40SPEAKERapplications of ar really depend on what kind of device you're using to augment the reality right

51:44SPEAKERlike what you can do on a phone is very different from what you could do on a hypothetical like

51:49SPEAKERbetter google glass like that's my real question is because like you obviously can't do his

51:54SPEAKERhis dashboard while driving thing with a phone right well you absolutely but you know not be

52:00SPEAKERsafe to the mirror well i guess so i mean but like that is much more seamless and safe if you've got

52:06SPEAKERjust something that is bolted to your face all the time that you're looking through hands fine right

52:10SPEAKERis what i'm getting at so like do you think that we are gonna see a resurgence of that kind of like

52:16SPEAKERalways on your face sort of walking around with ar glasses kind of thing i mean not that the google

52:21SPEAKERglasses were ar glasses because they were they were okay you're right actually that's they were

52:26SPEAKERlike a smart watch for your face yeah but it was really handy navigating in a car in a new city

52:34SPEAKERwith those because like it when it was time to turn it would give you the google maps turn by

52:38SPEAKERturn directions and just say hey here's your you know you have you can be in one of the three left

52:44SPEAKERmost lanes to get where you're going and if you're in cities that you weren't familiar with it was

52:47SPEAKERreally really useful i guess magic leap is i'm sorry no i'm like not a thousand dollars useful

52:53SPEAKERbut yeah like yeah convenient magically obviously is the more modern example of what we're talking

52:58SPEAKERabout and you obviously see what happened to them so well i mean i don't think that like i don't

53:03SPEAKERthink what happened to them is an is an indictment of ar i think what happened to them is an

53:07SPEAKERindictment of like you know naming your companies it's like it's it's the same problem that tesla

53:13SPEAKERhas by naming their their self-driving stuff autopilot right like they're they're they're

53:18SPEAKERnaming one thing and they're delivering something that is less than that other thing and like

53:23SPEAKERit's it's not a not a smart strategy but but like

53:29SPEAKERit's this is the thing that happens to first movers in new markets often is that like they

53:33SPEAKERwent out and raised a whole bunch of money when this was really really hard and it's getting less

53:37SPEAKERhard every year we go on and now we have a handful of small startups but probably a bunch of small

53:42SPEAKERstartups we don't know about competing with apple and google and facebook and microsoft and probably

53:48SPEAKERamazon but who knows um to all like take the chunk out of this this first thing and and like

53:55SPEAKERwe've done vr for five years now six years almost and we're looking at like we understand how that

54:02SPEAKERworks from a computational like user interface and user experience and much better than we did

54:08SPEAKERsix years ago and a lot of the lessons we learned from that will carry forward into ar so probably

54:13SPEAKERit'll launch smoother the question is how long will this stuff work and and like you know are

54:18SPEAKERpeople gonna actually wear it but i already am seeing like the alexa glasses that amazon launched

54:23SPEAKERlast year i saw somebody who had reviewed them and they're like these things are clunky you look like

54:28SPEAKERa huge glass hole and um like i i'm not gonna wear these even even if they are useful but also they

54:36SPEAKERaren't useful so like the challenge is you know when when when tim cook stands up on stage and

54:44SPEAKERshows off the apple glasses what are the five things he's going to show like what what are the

54:49SPEAKERthree devices that that that that thing is going to replace in the same way that the iphone you know

54:56SPEAKERsteve job stood up with the iphone in 19 in 2007 and said hey i'm going to introduce three devices

55:01SPEAKERtoday oh by the way it's all the same device like that that is the bar not to digress too much but

55:07SPEAKERi go back and watch that clip once every year or two it's a it's a very good it is like it's

55:13SPEAKERmaybe the only good one of those ever i was i was gonna say it is probably the most the best and

55:18SPEAKERmost stage managed product reveal in history like it's it's a really just a master class in building

55:24SPEAKERhype for something but but but yeah i mean that that's the the challenge and this is the challenge

55:30SPEAKERthe smartwatch challenge like they just finally have gotten to the point where you're like oh

55:33SPEAKERthis is actually something useful i kind of could use this versus i'm literally buying a device

55:37SPEAKERthat's designed to annoy me right like hey it has an ekg and it's going to tell me if i have atrial

55:42SPEAKERfib relations that seems like something that's maybe worth spending 400 bucks on yeah hey it's

55:47SPEAKERgoing to give me all my notifications but on my wrist instead of my phone that seems bad i don't

55:52SPEAKERwant that yeah yeah yeah ar and i would love the face thing but it's super creepy and i also don't

56:00SPEAKERwant the face thing to exist yes i don't i don't think that should that probably is too far which

56:04SPEAKERis exactly why it will happen yeah um facebook do you think we do you think we get to like very

56:11SPEAKERcapable ar glasses that are indistinguishable from just plain old glasses in our lifetimes

56:18SPEAKERwow huh that probably happens right like the the the pace of miniaturization and and

56:26SPEAKERscreen technology and that kind of thing like well i don't know maybe not battery technology is

56:31SPEAKERpretty slow i don't know i don't think we'll see i don't think you'll have like a low profile wire

56:38SPEAKERframe slash invisible frame you know i'm talking i'm talking like real like futurist bordering on

56:43SPEAKERstar trek type shit like like science fiction style i think i think it's possible that we'll see

56:49SPEAKERfashions shift in a way that makes them more palatable like people go back to big chonky

56:54SPEAKERframes and like we'll see some like you know old person style wrap arounds that you like you wear

56:59SPEAKERto the eye doctor after you get your eyes dilated stuff like that maybe i don't know i i'm i'm uh

57:06SPEAKERlike i think it's more likely we'll see that than functioning brain implants

57:10SPEAKERand actually sure i think we'll see glasses that people will actually wear within the next

57:16SPEAKERthree five years i think um i think we'll see glasses that are indistinguishable from

57:21SPEAKERnormal glasses another like if you look at phones it's another 10 years after that probably

57:27SPEAKERyou know it took it took five years to industrial design the first iphone into the iphone 5 right

57:33SPEAKERwhich is kind of the first of the modern ones or four the first of the modern ones yeah yes

57:38SPEAKERbut it's also they also had a lot more volume to work with there so it's it's yeah i mean

57:45SPEAKERi'm i'm very curious to see i am i don't i don't i think that the the if these are useful enough

57:53SPEAKERit'll be like the phone where remember in like 2009 in 2009 when you were on muni and you looked

58:00SPEAKERat you looked around you saw like one person on their phone and then like in 2011 you looked

58:04SPEAKERi looked around on a muni platform at rush hour and every single person was on their phone yes

58:10SPEAKERlike i think that's the i think that's the direction this will go if they can provide useful

58:15SPEAKERlike things that are actually useful and and powerful for normal people and not just somebody

58:20SPEAKERwho has a ubiquity switch in their in their right garage right right some futuristic stuff

58:29SPEAKERi mean the good news is they seem to be waiting until they actually have that stuff yeah um

58:35SPEAKERall right next email is from stu two more here from from from fernando uh finally joined the

58:43SPEAKERdiscord after your vr episode and after the magazine episode and seeing will interact

58:48SPEAKERso candidly with your audience for the last week i was wondering wait what i'm in there too

58:52SPEAKERbut look you and i are in different channels so some people see you and some people only see me

58:57SPEAKERvery different channels mostly been in the linux channel for the last week we both show up in games

59:03SPEAKERsometimes that's where we overlap i think yes yes for sure i saw you in there talking smack about

59:07SPEAKERme by the way sorry it's okay what happened again i know i noted at any any rate here here is this

59:14SPEAKERquestion i was wondering what you are what are things that each of you are just fans of what i

59:19SPEAKERmean is you both have an ocean of knowledge that's very generous thank you overly generous generous

59:24SPEAKERperhaps especially of all things tech but everyone has things they're passionate about but can't put

59:30SPEAKERthe gladwell 10 000 hours into art cooking games movies books tools etc what are things that you

59:36SPEAKERboth wish you knew more about and still give you a sense of awe and wonder a lot of us even at 40

59:43SPEAKERstill take time off work when a new exciting game comes out are there things events or topics that

59:48SPEAKERstill make you feel like you're 10 and it's christmas day uh in my case this year it was

59:52SPEAKERhalf-life alex and squat and star wars squadrons not only was i fully hyped up for each but the

59:56SPEAKERexperiences lived up to it and i was on cloud nine in a particularly shitty year um so we talked

1:00:04SPEAKERabout this beforehand and my answer was bad but i've been thinking about it okay good well that's

1:00:09SPEAKERgood because your first answer was that you didn't have an answer yeah the first answer is that i'm

1:00:13SPEAKERcompletely devoid of the ability to feel joy joy so like i fandom is weird for me because in the

1:00:20SPEAKERtext-based fandom has almost exclusively been toxic and bad right like like i've been when i

1:00:26SPEAKERby that i mean like the people who are arguing on message boards about whether intel or amd CPUs or

1:00:30SPEAKERnvidia AMD graphics cards are better yes for ford versus chevy applied to every possible paradigm

1:00:37SPEAKERyeah i don't have any i don't have any time for that in my life but there are things that i get

1:00:41SPEAKERreally stoked about to see right like like when a new book from one of my favorite authors lands i

1:00:47SPEAKERdrop everything like i'll charlie straus books comes out i'll go pick it up the day it's out and

1:00:51SPEAKERsit down and start reading um i love i love love love watching people who are really or even

1:00:58SPEAKERmoderately good at what they do do their work like it's why i like reality tv like blown away

1:01:05SPEAKERand the great uh pottery throwdown and the great british bake-off and top chef and project runway

1:01:11SPEAKERand all that like i like the less of the reality tv scuzzy drama that they do like the the better

1:01:20SPEAKERfor me uh which is why the uk-produced ones tend to be more entertaining even if maybe they are

1:01:25SPEAKERtaking talented amateurs rather than people who are you know best in the world or whatever

1:01:31SPEAKERbut it's always it's always fascinating to me to watch somebody who's really really good at their

1:01:34SPEAKERtheir thing do their thing and that applies to like video games like speedrunners are

1:01:38SPEAKERfascinating to watch because it's just a level of precision skill that i have no hope of ever

1:01:43SPEAKERreaching but i i love i can appreciate it yeah absolutely um coffee i don't know i like a lot

1:01:50SPEAKERof stuff uh i mean i'm i'm really seizing on uh awe and wonder in his email as the operative terms

1:01:56SPEAKERhere but first thing first thing that came to mind for me was astrophysics like that is the biggest

1:02:02SPEAKERtopic that i could possibly think of pondering and like it's it's the one that has some overlap with

1:02:08SPEAKERlike a sense of i think kind of sounds a little corny but like spirituality or sort of oneness

1:02:14SPEAKERwith the universe in a way you want to get small pondering the infinite is a it's a pastime of mine

1:02:21SPEAKERum i don't know like i i just honestly i mean i i could sit there forever and read about uh

1:02:27SPEAKERyou know stellar nucleosynthesis or like you know the purpose of magnetic field uh did you

1:02:33SPEAKERread katie mac's new book yet no i have not read a ton of books like i i'm pretty bad about going

1:02:38SPEAKERdown a wikipedia hole on things okay uh i'm just trying to build some working knowledge of things

1:02:44SPEAKERlike um i don't know honestly just like pursuit of knowledge is the thing that still fills me

1:02:52SPEAKERwith awe more than anything like i just i just want to know about things as much as humanly

1:02:55SPEAKERpossible yeah i i like i like um i being informed feels nice yeah um i i love going down cooking

1:03:07SPEAKERholes i don't have as much time to do it as i would like necessarily but i i love learning how

1:03:11SPEAKERto do something new or learning how like the other day i i looked at the buttermilk that's in our

1:03:16SPEAKERfridge and it says cultured buttermilk and i was like cultured buttermilk means that they make this

1:03:20SPEAKERwith like some sort of macro macro micro uh biop biology uh tricks and it's not just like you know

1:03:28SPEAKERthe high fat part of the milk you know that probably goes into some other part of the

1:03:32SPEAKERmanufacturing process so i went looked it up and it turns out yeah it's like lactobacillus and all

1:03:36SPEAKERthat stuff you put it in there and let it sit for a few days and all of a sudden you have buttermilk

1:03:39SPEAKERi was like oh i should just be growing my own buttermilk instead of instead of buying buttermilk

1:03:44SPEAKERwhich is it turns out hard to get delivered during the pandemic sometimes yeah yes yeah it's fun to

1:03:50SPEAKERknow about stuff it's fun to know how stuff works yeah did you know for example yes you know you

1:03:56SPEAKERknow everybody loves to quote the eight minute figure that you know it takes light eight years

1:04:00SPEAKERi'm eight years sorry eight minutes to reach us from the sun because that's roughly like seven

1:04:04SPEAKERand a half whatever man rounding up here because that's you know that is the time that it takes to

1:04:09SPEAKERtraverse 93 million miles plus or minus right it's also how many pounds leave your body when you die

1:04:17SPEAKERdun dun dun no it's like that's a bad will smith whoa sorry i think it's actually seven

1:04:21SPEAKERpounds also sorry i haven't seen that movie that reference was completely lost on me i just tried

1:04:26SPEAKERto pretend no you did good nobody knew uh but did you know that it can take tens of thousands of

1:04:32SPEAKERyears for you know once the energy is released from the the nuclear fusion that's taking place

1:04:36SPEAKERin the core oh yeah takes forever it can it can take tens of thousands of years for that energy

1:04:42SPEAKERto make its way out of the core and be emitted from the sun because it's like bouncing around

1:04:46SPEAKERin there and in this kind of god awful subatomic soup that is happening in there it can it can take

1:04:52SPEAKERa very long so like you know there's just loose photons yes yes yes right exactly so like yes it

1:04:59SPEAKERtook eight minutes for that to get here from the sun but that energy may have actually been released

1:05:04SPEAKERfrom that reaction like well before human civilization existed wow that that see that's

1:05:10SPEAKERthe thing there is always something more awe-inspiring even even behind the thing

1:05:13SPEAKERthat you think is awe-inspiring well this is this is like this is like the key dunning kruger idea

1:05:18SPEAKERbut applied to fun stuff instead of like humans being stupid which is that like there's always

1:05:24SPEAKERno matter how much you think you know about something and as somebody who knows a lot about

1:05:27SPEAKERa little bit about a very large number of things like it's it's it's always i've always known this

1:05:34SPEAKERbut i never really appreciated what it meant until you start talking to people who are really at the

1:05:38SPEAKERtop of the top of their their game like across all of humanity totally i try to be very careful with

1:05:45SPEAKERthat and i'm not sure that i'm always successful but there is definitely a you know an autodidactic

1:05:49SPEAKERquality to going down wikipedia holes and like you said knowing a little bit about a lot of things

1:05:55SPEAKERlike yeah you have to especially when you're doing stuff like that you really have to make sure you

1:06:00SPEAKERremember what you don't know you know like you have to constantly be willing to

1:06:05SPEAKERremind yourself you know of what you don't know well you have to know what you don't know

1:06:10SPEAKERyeah yeah you have to always be conscious of the fact that like you can gen up a bunch of facts

1:06:16SPEAKERwith a google search but like that does not necessarily make you an expert and and that is

1:06:20SPEAKERthat is the thing it's one of the things they talk about like when you go to the science

1:06:23SPEAKERcommunicator conferences they talk about that stuff a lot too because it's it's it is

1:06:29SPEAKERit is very easy to go in and talk to a bunch of experts and feel like you have an expert

1:06:33SPEAKERunderstanding of this you've absorbed an expert level of understanding of what are fractally

1:06:39SPEAKERcomplex topics all the way down and then you know you you muck it up and you you cause massive

1:06:47SPEAKERconfusion you make a bunch of people think that they understand something they don't

1:06:51SPEAKERand you know next thing you know the texas power grid's going down so right yes but if you do it

1:06:56SPEAKERright you can impress people at cocktail parties like you know when when doug comes on the podcast

1:07:02SPEAKERand starts talking about how mars has barely no or barely any atmosphere and i can say it's

1:07:05SPEAKERlike all right because the core cooled and the lack of the subsequent lack of magnetic field

1:07:10SPEAKERallowed the solar wind to blow it all away i um i i still get a real sense of joy at like fixing

1:07:18SPEAKERthings or not like fix like fighting entropy is really fun for me okay um but but also in this

1:07:25SPEAKERcase i i've had these when we moved to this house i bought a big box of fluorescent tubes for the

1:07:31SPEAKERgarage lights and they've been in there for years and years and years and i've been using like

1:07:36SPEAKERthree a year for 10 12 years now and i finally put the last one in so i ordered some led replacements

1:07:45SPEAKERfor those and the led replacements didn't come with a little hat that goes over top of the bulb

1:07:51SPEAKERso it doesn't illuminate the ceiling it just reflects down at the ground and i looked at

1:07:55SPEAKERthe hat from the old lights and i looked at the tubes i was like hmm hmm hmm i drilled a couple

1:08:02SPEAKERof holes and put a piece of wood in there and i mounted the new lights onto the old hats and

1:08:08SPEAKERlike that that is that brings me a massive amount of joy it took like an hour but now i have the

1:08:15SPEAKERawesome lights they're gonna last for as long as i own this house no matter how long i if i die here

1:08:20SPEAKERi'm probably good it's the satisfaction of a job well done yeah i can get behind that speaking of

1:08:27SPEAKERa job well done i think this is a good place i need to wrap up this week oh wait he was integrated

1:08:30SPEAKERtwo more there's one more there's one more and it's a space email so i have to read it okay the

1:08:35SPEAKERfinal speaking of speaking of astrophysics uh this is from oscar in stockholm this is a long one but

1:08:42SPEAKERi personally think it's worth it i really enjoyed your discussion of dyson spheres in the intro to

1:08:48SPEAKERthe latest podcast and i thought i'd send an interesting little fact about them to you

1:08:52SPEAKERthis is the kind of thing that most people find really annoying when people point out but you guys

1:08:56SPEAKERare just the kind of space dorks that might find it interesting so here goes i did in fact find it

1:09:00SPEAKERvery interesting all right ready hit me in the late 17th century isaac newton was sitting around

1:09:06SPEAKERand thinking about how his new discoveries about gravity would work inside of massive hollow shells

1:09:12SPEAKERthis is the kind of thing you sit around and think about if you're isaac newton

1:09:16SPEAKERif you're at the very center of a massive shell like a dyson sphere it is pretty clear that the

1:09:22SPEAKERshell would have no gravitational effect on you since there's equal amounts of shell at the same

1:09:27SPEAKERdistance in all directions gravity should just cancel out this is like if you dug a hole all

1:09:32SPEAKERthe way to the center of the earth if you got to the very exact center you would float because

1:09:36SPEAKERgravity is at the same strength in all directions with me so far yeah okay but what about if you're

1:09:43SPEAKERnot at the center but closer to one of the edges the answer then isn't immediately obvious some

1:09:49SPEAKERparts of the shell are closer than others and therefore have a bigger gravitational effect on

1:09:54SPEAKERyou but there are more regions that are further away so the total gravity from those sections

1:09:59SPEAKERincreases because there's more of them which way is heavier the closer smaller parts or the bigger

1:10:04SPEAKERparts further away what newton was able to prove using integral calculus which he had invented like

1:10:10SPEAKERthe week before is that regardless of where you are in the shell gravity always cancels out

1:10:16SPEAKERperfectly bodies inside of hollow shells feel no gravitational effect from the shell itself no

1:10:22SPEAKERmatter how massive the body or the shell this is now known as the shell theorem and has its own

1:10:28SPEAKERwikipedia page and everything the proof is in newton's principia mathematica all right here is

1:10:34SPEAKERthe part where i found this actually getting pretty interesting all this means that rigid

1:10:40SPEAKERdyson spheres like the ones in dyson sphere program are essentially totally impossible

1:10:45SPEAKERthere would be no gravitational interaction between the dyson sphere and the sun

1:10:50SPEAKERthink of what this means the reason that the earth doesn't just fly off into space is because

1:10:53SPEAKERit's tethered by gravity to the sun which makes it have a stable orbit a dyson sphere would have

1:11:00SPEAKERno such tether as the sun inevitably drifted around the galaxy and in space it would simply

1:11:05SPEAKERdrift off and hit the side of the dyson sphere this applies to rings as well incidentally

1:11:11SPEAKERalmost all sci-fi including most hard sci-fi seems to be totally unaware of this fact

1:11:16SPEAKERand just assume the the dyson spheres would stay in place like planets do freeman dyson himself

1:11:21SPEAKERbeing a theoretical physicist and everything was obviously well aware of newton's shell theorem

1:11:26SPEAKERand when he was asked about this issue later commented that he imagined his

1:11:30SPEAKERdyson spheres being more like swarms of satellites instead of a rigid shell well so the other thing

1:11:36SPEAKERis the the thing that people say when you ask them this kind of question is they say well it's going

1:11:42SPEAKERto rotate so you have centripetal force pushing you away from the sun and on the swarm pieces

1:11:48SPEAKERand it's just going to work itself out a this shell thing is a mind bender i've never heard

1:11:54SPEAKERthis one before i thought i thought this was going to be an email about the rotation at different

1:11:59SPEAKERlatitudes of the sphere having to speed up or decrease and shearing the entire thing into a

1:12:05SPEAKERmillion different stripes because if it's spinning the top spins at a slower speed than the than the

1:12:11SPEAKERequator you know the equator is spinning at one speed and the poles are spinning at another

1:12:16SPEAKERzero speed so as you go up the up the latitude or down the latitude the speed of at which the the

1:12:23SPEAKERthe um the hardware the ring the sphere has to spin is is in increase decreasing i guess

1:12:33SPEAKERum it's funny because the other thing that came up in the discord this week is somebody said hey

1:12:40SPEAKERthe culture novel novel rings aren't dyson rings going around the sun they're like orbitals that

1:12:49SPEAKERare just ring shaped in and and they rotate with the sun facing one direction so they have night

1:12:57SPEAKERand day cycles that last however long the ring takes to rotate and the size of the ring is

1:13:02SPEAKERdetermined by how fast they have to rotate in order to get the gravity they want on them

1:13:06SPEAKERbut yeah i don't know this is a trip we're not going to build on spheres realistically a lot

1:13:11SPEAKERprobably to refund this game though on steam though it's a game of lies

1:13:14SPEAKERnonsense yeah i thought this was science fact not science fiction this is a good email yeah it was

1:13:21SPEAKERgood this is another one of those space things though is this reminded me exactly how much

1:13:25SPEAKEReverything is in motion all the time and in how many different directions do you ever think about

1:13:29SPEAKERthat oh yeah you know people think about okay like you think about like you've got a two-body

1:13:35SPEAKERsystem like the earth and the moon right the moon is just orbiting around the earth although i guess

1:13:38SPEAKERlike if you're being technical they're orbiting each other right well they're orbiting at a point

1:13:43SPEAKERin space that's what that's what i mean like the moon exerts some influence on the earth even

1:13:48SPEAKERthough it's much smaller it's not just not that much influence relatively but you know the earth

1:13:53SPEAKERis also orbiting the sun right everybody thinks about that but then i don't i feel like that's

1:13:58SPEAKERwhere it stops generally but like the sun is also orbiting the galactic core right the galaxy is

1:14:07SPEAKERitself kind of i think galaxies sort of tend to orbit each other right well like galaxies but

1:14:11SPEAKERit's also moving away from all other galaxies except for the ones that are local to it well

1:14:15SPEAKERthat's well that's different that's that's that's that's you know cosmic inflation though that's not

1:14:20SPEAKERgravitational attraction though that's cosmic inflation well yeah but it's still that's space

1:14:24SPEAKERthat space is getting bigger movement counts man well okay sure yes you're right about well that

1:14:29SPEAKERis i don't know that that i actually don't know that i don't think that's that's not locomotion

1:14:34SPEAKERthrough space that is the expansion of space itself i don't know that that is actually the

1:14:38SPEAKERsame thing but if you're getting further away from something are you not moving relative to them

1:14:43SPEAKERsee the thing about this is movement it's all relative brad right but we're not you're not

1:14:48SPEAKERmoving through the medium you're stretching the medium itself now how much would you pay

1:14:54SPEAKERall right we should we should stop this i wish my house would stretch through the medium and be a

1:14:58SPEAKERlittle bit bigger should probably stop this episode i we got to get a theoretical physicist

1:15:03SPEAKERon here at some point yeah i'm i'm totally down for that i so um yeah i i like i like i like to

1:15:11SPEAKERthink about this stuff it's very satisfying yes anyway i was i think that i i'd have to assume

1:15:17SPEAKERthat even clusters of galaxies are interacting in some kind of gravitational fashion everything is

1:15:24SPEAKERmoving everything is moving relative to everything else all the time and it's a lot to think about

1:15:28SPEAKERdo galaxies have tides from other galaxies i don't know maybe didn't they find out that

1:15:34SPEAKERwe're someplace different than they thought we were what this is a conversation for another day

1:15:38SPEAKERskip it but you know what time it is brad i don't know man it's time to thank our patrons

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1:18:10SPEAKERlike the discord is a really it's it has become one of my favorite places on the internet to

1:18:15SPEAKERhang out we talk about it a lot uh but but you should definitely dip in uh and if you're especially

1:18:21SPEAKERif you're a patron and aren't connected haven't connected discord or if you've had trouble

1:18:24SPEAKERconnecting send me send us a patreon message and we'll work it out for you um but yeah that's it

1:18:30SPEAKERthat's it for this month this month this week i guess we'll be back next week and if you're a

1:18:35SPEAKERpatron stay tuned for a patron episode hopefully by the end of the month yeah coming at you bye

1:18:41SPEAKEReverybody

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