66: That Classic Chonk

00:00SPEAKERWill, I'm breaking orthodoxy here.

00:01SPEAKERWait, what?

00:02SPEAKERI'm going to read an email before the emails.

00:05SPEAKERBut I haven't told the people will bought 5,000 is breaking

00:14SPEAKERdown, but his robotic head has split open tech part at content on town.

00:22SPEAKERGo cheese, man.

00:25SPEAKERI'm sorry.

00:25SPEAKERI know it's early in the morning, but wow.

00:28SPEAKERUm, this email was, it's just, I, our life has been changed.

00:32SPEAKERLike we hope to dispense tech advice to people, to help them with their problems.

00:37SPEAKERBut now the one among the people has helped us with one of our problems.

00:42SPEAKERThis is, this is changing the workflows that has existed since

00:45SPEAKERtime immemorial since 2003, Josh from St.

00:49SPEAKERYes.

00:49SPEAKERJosh from St.

00:50SPEAKERGeorge, Utah has changed everything by introducing us to Gmail tasks.

00:56SPEAKERYou know, I never, I've always seen that little bar on the right side of Gmail.

01:01SPEAKERAnd I've looked at it.

01:01SPEAKERI was like, this is annoying.

01:02SPEAKERI wish it wasn't here and I've never, ever clicked on it.

01:05SPEAKERThis is, yes, this, this email has made me realize that I just ignore 90% of the Gmail UI.

01:10SPEAKERThat's the right answer.

01:12SPEAKERNo idea what it even does.

01:14SPEAKERUm, also I'm looking at, well, we'll get to it.

01:18SPEAKERI'm looking at the email window here and it's surrounded on all sides by UI.

01:22SPEAKERThere are literally icon bars and lists of things around every edge of this email.

01:25SPEAKERNow I mean, there's something on the, I think the thing on the bottom is part of the

01:29SPEAKERhangouts window, which apparently I've been told is going away soon, but if you use

01:34SPEAKERGoogle voice, you can keep calling and texting.

01:36SPEAKERSo you have that poem for you.

01:37SPEAKERWait, like the whole video conference thing in general is going away.

01:41SPEAKERHangouts.

01:42SPEAKERLook, Google has approximately 75 video and audio calling products right now.

01:48SPEAKERSo, you know, hangouts is the, is the least popular.

01:51SPEAKERIt's dead.

01:51SPEAKERWe use, okay.

01:52SPEAKEROkay.

01:52SPEAKERWe use Google need a lot for work, which I think is basically identical to

01:56SPEAKERhangouts, except it has a different name.

01:57SPEAKERNope.

01:57SPEAKERThat's me.

01:58SPEAKERThat's a completely different product distinct in every way.

02:00SPEAKEROf course.

02:01SPEAKERYes, of course.

02:01SPEAKERDifferent quality of product.

02:03SPEAKERAll right.

02:03SPEAKEROkay.

02:03SPEAKERSo let me just read this real fast.

02:04SPEAKERJosh, if you click the blue check mark icon to the right hand side on the

02:09SPEAKERweb version of Gmail, it opens tasks.

02:12SPEAKERYou can then drag emails to the sidebar and it will create a task with the name

02:16SPEAKERof the email that opens the email directly when you click it, this is the crucial

02:20SPEAKERpart, you can drag those tasks around to sort them, leave additional notes on each

02:26SPEAKERone and mark the task as done to dismiss it from the list while keeping an archive

02:29SPEAKERof what you've answered, we have been searching in vain for the duration of this

02:36SPEAKERpodcast life for a way to order for a way to sort and order emails and Gmail.

02:43SPEAKERYeah.

02:43SPEAKERIt's actually put them in the order.

02:45SPEAKERWe would like to read them before the podcast starts.

02:47SPEAKERLook, this has been, we've been using, I've been using Gmail to answer questions

02:52SPEAKERon podcasts since like the maximum PC, no BS podcast started in 2005.

02:57SPEAKERWow.

02:57SPEAKERJeez.

02:58SPEAKER2000.

02:59SPEAKERReally?

02:59SPEAKERThat's that is an early ass podcast.

03:01SPEAKERMaybe 2006.

03:02SPEAKERI don't know.

03:02SPEAKERDan, Dan Morris, who was the editor in chief of PC gamer at the time was very

03:07SPEAKERexcited about podcasting and his enthusiasm was infectious at future.

03:12SPEAKERI feel like you guys started around the same time.

03:14SPEAKERWe did.

03:14SPEAKERYeah, maybe a little bit 2006, I think was the hotspot.

03:18SPEAKERMaybe it was 2006.

03:20SPEAKERI don't know.

03:20SPEAKERIt was, it was 2005 or 2006.

03:22SPEAKERYes.

03:22SPEAKERThe heady days of iPods and podcasting.

03:26SPEAKERI remember listening to the hotspot before they were like, he gave us a list of

03:30SPEAKERgaming podcasts to listen to and was like, listen to the hotspot, listen to this

03:34SPEAKERthing that the one up or not one up, um, zip people are doing and yeah, anyway.

03:40SPEAKERUm, this is amazing tasks, man.

03:44SPEAKERThe look, I can imagine how this was created.

03:46SPEAKERCause it has to be like somebody was sitting there.

03:48SPEAKERI was like, man, you know, what sucks is everybody uses their

03:50SPEAKERemail inboxes, their task list.

03:52SPEAKERI wonder if we can make that better for them.

03:54SPEAKERAnd then here's this amazing thing that I've never even engaged with.

03:58SPEAKERWell, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

03:59SPEAKERI'm not going to say the UI or experience is amazing.

04:03SPEAKERIt's transformative.

04:04SPEAKERIt exists.

04:06SPEAKERI liked it.

04:06SPEAKERIt has a little about down at the bottom.

04:08SPEAKERIt says about, and then I can give help or feedback.

04:11SPEAKERIf I hit about it says, Hey, how do you use Google tasks?

04:14SPEAKERStep one, open Google tasks.

04:15SPEAKERStep two, create task or list step three, hide or reorder tasks.

04:18SPEAKERNailed it.

04:19SPEAKERTasks, man.

04:20SPEAKERThanks, Josh.

04:21SPEAKERYeah, thanks, Josh.

04:22SPEAKERLet's stay on task and do this episode.

04:41SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

04:57SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:58SPEAKERI'm Brad.

04:58SPEAKERHello.

04:59SPEAKERHi.

04:59SPEAKERHello.

05:00SPEAKERHello.

05:00SPEAKERHi.

05:00SPEAKERWhat's up?

05:01SPEAKERI still got the antlers.

05:02SPEAKERI see.

05:03SPEAKERThis is the season, man.

05:04SPEAKERMan, I, I think I've missed, I've missed my windows.

05:08SPEAKERI've missed my window.

05:09SPEAKERI'm afraid it's not, it is nine days till, until

05:11SPEAKERChristmas.

05:12SPEAKERLook, I'm going to go.

05:13SPEAKERIt's a new, there's new windows opening up all the time.

05:15SPEAKERWe talked about this last week.

05:16SPEAKERYou got your new year's antlers.

05:19SPEAKERYou got your, you got your MLK day antlers.

05:23SPEAKEROh boy.

05:24SPEAKERYou got your Valentine's day and you can get some of those heart bobbers.

05:28SPEAKEREverybody loves a heart bobber.

05:29SPEAKERThink about it.

05:30SPEAKERI think you're, you're really opening a can of antlers here that I

05:32SPEAKERdon't think we're ready to address.

05:34SPEAKERLook, you just need to get a bunch of zip ties and a bunch of shit that you

05:37SPEAKERcan hang off your head and people, people look, people, people come into

05:41SPEAKERmy Twitch channel and they're like, Oh, I love your antlers.

05:44SPEAKERI mean, that happened once about three years ago, but people like a little

05:47SPEAKERbit of holiday flair, it turns out.

05:50SPEAKERMy mini Christmas tree has been kind of a hit on some streams lately.

05:53SPEAKERYeah.

05:54SPEAKERYeah.

05:54SPEAKERWell, when you're a green screen guy, you don't man, that's a good looking tree.

05:57SPEAKEROh, well, well, well, I don't know the other way.

06:01SPEAKERYou're aiming the wrong way.

06:02SPEAKERThe window is so small.

06:03SPEAKERI can't, I can't see you go.

06:05SPEAKERAh, that really plays on an audio only show.

06:10SPEAKERI've got remote control for my Christmas tree.

06:13SPEAKERBrad pressed a button.

06:14SPEAKERIt would have been cooler if you like waved your hand and had the

06:16SPEAKERremote in the other hand.

06:16SPEAKERSo it's like you're using the forest, but here we are.

06:19SPEAKERI like a little wrist snap, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like, you know,

06:23SPEAKERsome, some one magic or whatever, but, um, yeah, it's, uh, when you were in your

06:29SPEAKERgreen screen person, you don't have a lot of opportunity to put stuff in the

06:32SPEAKERbackground or you have the opportunity to put everything in the background.

06:36SPEAKERWell, I mean, anything you can imagine.

06:39SPEAKERDuring extra life for a certain cash dollar donation level.

06:43SPEAKERI let people replace the background behind me.

06:45SPEAKERWow.

06:45SPEAKERThat is an amazing idea.

06:47SPEAKERAnd let's see.

06:47SPEAKERWell, except very risky.

06:49SPEAKERI assume you were able to vet what was happening.

06:51SPEAKEROkay.

06:51SPEAKERYeah, I filtered.

06:52SPEAKERUh, there's the, did anybody, did anybody try to do anything inappropriate?

06:56SPEAKERI mean, remember that men of game dev calendar.

07:00SPEAKEROkay.

07:00SPEAKERPicture it.

07:01SPEAKERDave Lang is behind my head for one out of 32nd, one 32nd of the rotation.

07:05SPEAKERI said, I said inappropriate.

07:07SPEAKERI mean, he's sexy Lang.

07:10SPEAKERNothing wrong with sexy Lang.

07:13SPEAKERUm, yeah.

07:15SPEAKERWow.

07:15SPEAKERThat's, that's, that's an, that's a, that's a good creative idea, but I just,

07:20SPEAKERI think back on what some of the stuff that has come in with donations in the

07:24SPEAKERpast for stuff like that, yes, I could see the risk there.

07:28SPEAKERI filtered.

07:29SPEAKERI can, I, I, I, uh, I reserved the right to re to reject any submission, no matter

07:36SPEAKERwhat, to be clear, to be clear, what I'm talking about is that occasionally

07:41SPEAKERpeople will pay a small donation just to be able to write something horribly

07:44SPEAKERinappropriate and make it, and make it appear on a live stream.

07:48SPEAKERSome people know such things.

07:50SPEAKERYou know, I got to say, I didn't have any problems with that this year.

07:53SPEAKERLike I've had that in the past.

07:54SPEAKERThere were a bunch of mega things a few years ago, and this year it was just

07:59SPEAKERpeople chill, having a good time watching some video games and, uh, raising money

08:02SPEAKERfor kids.

08:03SPEAKERSo that was awesome.

08:04SPEAKERThat's good.

08:05SPEAKERUh, and you know, we beat Dave Lang, which is the thing that really matters at the

08:07SPEAKERend of the day, all that actually matters in life.

08:10SPEAKERYeah.

08:10SPEAKERUh, speaking of, I was on GFB radio last week.

08:12SPEAKEROh, yeah.

08:14SPEAKERAnd we talked about stuff stuff with the tech pod a little bit.

08:18SPEAKERHe was, he wanted some podcasting tips.

08:20SPEAKEROkay.

08:20SPEAKERYeah, it was good.

08:21SPEAKERWhat did you tell him?

08:22SPEAKERTip number one, don't compete with the tech pod.

08:24SPEAKERYeah.

08:24SPEAKERI told him we would fucking crush him and eat his children.

08:27SPEAKERAnd, uh, he seemed, he seemed to take that pretty well.

08:31SPEAKERI think he said he was going to come for me.

08:33SPEAKERAnd I was like, that's really nice of you guys.

08:34SPEAKERIt'll be nice to see you again, Dave.

08:35SPEAKERYeah.

08:36SPEAKERHe says things like that.

08:37SPEAKERYeah.

08:37SPEAKERYes.

08:38SPEAKERUh, should we answer some emails that are sent to tech pod at content.town?

08:42SPEAKERThe official email address for sending emails to Brad and Will made a tech

08:44SPEAKERpod, the official podcast of us.

08:46SPEAKEROh, tech pod at content.town?

08:49SPEAKERYes.

08:50SPEAKERTech pod at content.town, I believe is the email address.

08:53SPEAKERThat's the one we already answered one email.

08:54SPEAKERWhat's our, I was going to say, what's, what's our first email, Brad, but I got

08:57SPEAKERto ask what's our second email because just shattering norms over here today.

09:01SPEAKERThank you to Josh.

09:02SPEAKERI know what our next email is because of Josh.

09:04SPEAKERI've got it right here at the top of the task.

09:07SPEAKERUh, no, I don't actually, this is like a business playlist.

09:11SPEAKERIt's like, it's like you can, you can playlist your biz.

09:13SPEAKERHang on.

09:14SPEAKERI got to, I got to close the loop on this new workflow.

09:15SPEAKERGive me a second.

09:16SPEAKEROkay.

09:16SPEAKERSo emails and Gmail, the easy way.

09:18SPEAKERWell, there's a little blue check mark next to it.

09:20SPEAKERMark complete.

09:22SPEAKERIs that going to remove it from the task?

09:24SPEAKERYes, probably.

09:25SPEAKERIt probably is.

09:26SPEAKERCause I do need to remember what we talked about to write the

09:28SPEAKERdescription for the episode, but here it is completed down at the bottom.

09:32SPEAKERSo you can always refer back.

09:33SPEAKEROh, it's a task list.

09:35SPEAKERYeah.

09:36SPEAKERLook, wait, where's, where's completely, shoot.

09:39SPEAKERYep.

09:40SPEAKERWait, wait, did you just scroll down to the bottom where it says completed

09:43SPEAKERand you see marked out sorting emails and Gmail the easy way.

09:46SPEAKEROh wow.

09:47SPEAKERIt's got strikethrough font and everything.

09:48SPEAKERIt's amazing.

09:49SPEAKERThis is, this is, I told you, this is a life changing.

09:51SPEAKERJosh has, has, has altered our lives for the better.

09:55SPEAKERI love when things are different.

09:58SPEAKEROkay.

09:59SPEAKERI'm going to put an asterisk on that one and move on.

10:02SPEAKEROh, good.

10:02SPEAKERDifferent.

10:03SPEAKERYou know, it's implicit, it's implicit when things change for the better.

10:10SPEAKERThat's what I was trying to say.

10:11SPEAKERYeah.

10:11SPEAKERYeah.

10:11SPEAKERThat's a good thing.

10:12SPEAKERAll right.

10:13SPEAKERUm, first email says anonymous, please.

10:19SPEAKERUh, how do I know when to trust, uh, when I Google a science or tech question, for

10:23SPEAKERexample, I Googled is fasting healthy for you recently, I get various sites with

10:28SPEAKERdifferent opinions, citing different studies from different universities.

10:31SPEAKERAnd I have no idea how to navigate these results.

10:34SPEAKERThis is in addition to different people in my life, giving

10:36SPEAKERme different answers as well.

10:38SPEAKERNow, this happens to me often these days, but I looked something

10:40SPEAKERup that I'm curious about.

10:41SPEAKERThis also happened when I Googled about batteries earlier this year, but your

10:44SPEAKERepisode of this podcast helped me a lot there.

10:48SPEAKERUh, but in general, how do I know what sources are reputable?

10:51SPEAKERHow can I tell if a study is legit?

10:53SPEAKERIs Google simply the wrong way to get scientific answers?

10:56SPEAKERDo some questions simply not have answers yet?

10:58SPEAKERAnd I have to live with that.

11:01SPEAKERThere's always an answer.

11:03SPEAKERWell, yeah, but are we going to discover it in our lifetime?

11:05SPEAKERI don't know.

11:06SPEAKERWell, okay.

11:07SPEAKERSo here's, there's a lot going on.

11:08SPEAKERThis is a lot in this question.

11:09SPEAKERYes.

11:09SPEAKERUm, don't get medical advice from Google at all, generally speaking, I would say

11:17SPEAKERlike, well, when I thought I was having a stroke last month, I Googled what are

11:22SPEAKERstroke symptoms and it was like, Hey, if any of these four things are happening, go

11:25SPEAKERto the ER, I thought that was actionable and good, right?

11:29SPEAKERUm, I used to say, trust those, those card pop-ups where Google extracts

11:34SPEAKERsomething from, uh, like the number one search result and puts it just on the

11:38SPEAKERsearch results page, those have to be algorithmic though, right?

11:41SPEAKERWell, so for a long time, they were, they were not, they were the, the, the scrape

11:46SPEAKERwas algorithmic, but the sources were vetted and it seems like the sources

11:49SPEAKERare not vetted very well anymore.

11:52SPEAKERSo like, I can't remember.

11:54SPEAKERI was searching for something video game related the other day and it gave

11:57SPEAKERme some real questionable results.

11:58SPEAKERSo, um, I, I just look, look at, like, look at the source of your, look at

12:05SPEAKERthe site that your results come from.

12:06SPEAKERSo hospitals like healthcare providers, health insurance providers, even.

12:12SPEAKEROkay.

12:13SPEAKEROkay.

12:13SPEAKERSources, right?

12:14SPEAKERLike medline, um, the CDC, the WHO, like actual body male clinic.

12:25SPEAKERSo one, have I said, so here's the thing.

12:28SPEAKERI'm afraid anything I say here is going to get results, the angry emails.

12:32SPEAKERSo I'm treading very lightly.

12:35SPEAKERMayo clinic seems really good.

12:37SPEAKERI've seen some stuff that seems a little sketchy on there, but it's not like, like

12:43SPEAKERyou also know whether the sites you're looking at are edited, written by human

12:47SPEAKERsites or like user generated content sites.

12:50SPEAKERSo for example, anybody can edit Wikipedia.

12:54SPEAKERSo if you're going to learn about some disease that you just found out you had

12:57SPEAKERWikipedia is not a great choice, maybe, but the links, the sites that the

13:03SPEAKERWikipedia article linked to are probably okay.

13:06SPEAKERSo like, like think about, um, like just scroll down to the citations and

13:11SPEAKERgo read the science articles about that.

13:13SPEAKERYeah, that was, that was always a weird thing to me.

13:14SPEAKERI mean, this is going back 15 plus years at this point, but that was, that was

13:18SPEAKERalways weird to me about, for example, like universities saying like, oh, you

13:21SPEAKERcan't cite Wikipedia in papers.

13:23SPEAKERLike, yes, I get why you shouldn't just go to Wikipedia and use their summary.

13:28SPEAKERBut like, Wikipedia has always been exactly as good as the

13:31SPEAKERsources that are cited.

13:31SPEAKERRight.

13:32SPEAKERSo like, you can always vet the information by just following the citations

13:36SPEAKERand seeing who actually said it.

13:37SPEAKERRight.

13:37SPEAKERThe thing about Wikipedia.

13:39SPEAKERSo now they let them, now they let kids cite Wikipedia.

13:41SPEAKERSometimes like my daughter can cite she's eight.

13:43SPEAKERSo different roles, but academic standards.

13:47SPEAKERWell, but like there's no other encyclopedia, right?

13:50SPEAKERLike, it's not like we have Britannica's anymore.

13:52SPEAKEREverybody just uses Wikipedia.

13:54SPEAKERSo what if there was a print version of Wikipedia, what if there was a

13:59SPEAKERbound volume set of Wikipedia?

14:03SPEAKERDid you, have we talked about this before?

14:04SPEAKERDid you understand how expensive encyclopedias were when you were a kid?

14:07SPEAKERI had a, I had a, I mean, there are hundreds of dollars, right?

14:09SPEAKERI have some.

14:11SPEAKERWell, like the world book was hundreds of dollars.

14:13SPEAKERThe Britannica was like two grand.

14:15SPEAKERWow.

14:16SPEAKERGeez.

14:16SPEAKERYeah.

14:17SPEAKERIt was insane.

14:18SPEAKERAnd I kind of wish I had like a late edition.

14:22SPEAKERThe last one was printed like 15 years ago.

14:24SPEAKERReally?

14:24SPEAKEROh, that's sad.

14:26SPEAKERThat's a lot of space.

14:28SPEAKERIt is a lot of space.

14:29SPEAKERSo, okay.

14:31SPEAKERSo look at your sources.

14:33SPEAKERLook at whether it's user generated or it's edited.

14:37SPEAKERIf you're looking for product stuff, if you minus shop or store or buy now from

14:43SPEAKERthe search, search results, just put a minus and then that those phrases, then

14:47SPEAKERyou'll get rid of all of the crappy kind of, you know, like, for example, I was

14:53SPEAKERsearching for something this morning and I just kept getting, I searched for the

14:58SPEAKERhell are we talking about right before we started the show?

15:01SPEAKERHeadphones, velour headphones.

15:03SPEAKERNo, I was searching for eGPU enclosures for questions coming up.

15:09SPEAKEROh, you're spoiling email.

15:10SPEAKERSorry.

15:11SPEAKERThe first 10 or 12 results are all these like, well, one is Amazon and then others

15:16SPEAKERare these websites that I've never heard of before.

15:18SPEAKERAnd when you go look at them, they're clearly just like click farms for

15:23SPEAKERaffiliate links back to Amazon and new egg.

15:26SPEAKERAnd like, that's not going to be super useful for the most part.

15:30SPEAKERI ran into this problem a couple of weeks ago, searching for something.

15:33SPEAKERI mean, this is way less dire than a health situation, but searching for

15:35SPEAKERRyzen memory compatibility stuff.

15:38SPEAKERYeah.

15:38SPEAKERGood luck with that.

15:39SPEAKERLike finding, you know, especially in that early release window before like the

15:42SPEAKERbigger tech sites had done their testing.

15:44SPEAKERIt was like, who should I trust here?

15:46SPEAKERI've never heard of any of these sites.

15:48SPEAKERNone of them seem to have like tangible YouTube presences.

15:51SPEAKERI can't really vet who these, you know, are they, are they just trying to shunt me

15:54SPEAKERto like some monetized affiliate transaction?

15:58SPEAKERLike, can I actually trust what's being said here?

16:00SPEAKERI don't know.

16:01SPEAKERSo on the, on the pure science stuff, the other way to look at it is to look at the

16:05SPEAKERbig journals and the popular science magazines.

16:07SPEAKERI was going to say like familiarize yourself with like the big mainstream peer

16:11SPEAKERreviewed journals and, and what the kind of format of published articles are in

16:15SPEAKERthose, because that's about as vetted as it could get, I believe.

16:19SPEAKERWell, and, and I mean, kind of, so.

16:22SPEAKERLike when you're talking about stuff like nature, I'm sure there's, there's some

16:26SPEAKERscientists in our community who probably beg to differ with that.

16:30SPEAKERWell, I mean, the thing is that they've all made mistakes, which is what happens.

16:34SPEAKERNothing is infallible.

16:35SPEAKERI mean, that goes without saying, or it should go without saying.

16:37SPEAKERWell, and the point is, as long as like, the point is, the point isn't don't make

16:41SPEAKERmistakes because everybody does make mistakes.

16:42SPEAKERThe point is acknowledge your mistakes when you do make them and correct them.

16:46SPEAKERThat is, that is the, the pure iterative scientific process, right.

16:49SPEAKERIs to, in fact, I mean, you know, again, that's where you might get into this,

16:53SPEAKERlike some, some working, working people in those fields, you know, saying like,

16:58SPEAKERah, I'm sure some people succumb to dogma there at times and like are stubborn

17:02SPEAKERabout, I mean, you see that all the time, right.

17:04SPEAKERGoing back to like theoretical physics for over the, through the ages, you know,

17:08SPEAKERit's like the kind of people cling to their strongly held beliefs even as new

17:11SPEAKERtheories come along.

17:13SPEAKERWell, but I mean, also look at like the other place to look is stuff like

17:17SPEAKERScientific American is actually like the editors.

17:20SPEAKERThere are good.

17:21SPEAKERLook at your good science communicators for science stuff.

17:23SPEAKERSo Ed Yong and Aaron Bieber and publications like Scientific American and

17:29SPEAKEReven like more mainstream publications like New Yorker and Atlantic and stuff

17:31SPEAKERlike that are wired where they have editorial processes and they presumably

17:36SPEAKERhave writers and editors who are informed about the topics and are

17:41SPEAKERsourcing like their, their, their citations are good generally.

17:45SPEAKERSo look for good citations.

17:46SPEAKERYeah.

17:47SPEAKERAlso like on his, his last question, do some, do some questions simply not have

17:50SPEAKERanswers yet? Like they're definitely, especially in like nutrition, I feel like

17:53SPEAKERa lot of anatomical stuff, you know, constantly, you're constantly getting

17:57SPEAKERconflicting study results.

17:59SPEAKERYou know, it's like, oh, fasting does this.

18:01SPEAKERNo, it doesn't.

18:01SPEAKERIt does the opposite.

18:02SPEAKERYou know, like the, like body, like human, human body processes seem especially

18:06SPEAKERdifficult to ascertain, like real truth about.

18:11SPEAKERThere's, there's a lot of things that are in flux.

18:14SPEAKERThere's like the, and, and also we don't know, like the long-term health benefits

18:20SPEAKERor problems that come with things like, you know, high fat, low carb diets.

18:26SPEAKERAnd like, we know, we know the short-term effects, which is that, you know, you burn

18:30SPEAKERa lot of calories and you lose a lot of weight, but we don't know what the

18:33SPEAKERlong-term effects of some of that stuff are, even though now we're, you know, with

18:37SPEAKERAtkins, we're ending like 30 or 40 years of people trying that shit.

18:40SPEAKERSo the thing I would say is talk to your doctor about medical stuff.

18:44SPEAKERIf it's about you personally, if it's about science stuff, look at reputable

18:49SPEAKERsecond, second, like second source publications, like scientific American,

18:53SPEAKERavoid UGC sites like Forbes.

18:55SPEAKERAnytime you go to a Forbes.com site and it says contributor there, that's somebody

18:59SPEAKERwho's either paid or being paid by them, but not being edited to just, you might

19:04SPEAKERas well be looking at blog spot for that or blogger for that.

19:09SPEAKERAnd, and yeah, one of a person who has children older than mine, when our

19:14SPEAKERdaughter was born, gave me really good advice, which is don't ever look up kids

19:18SPEAKERsickness stuff on the internet when your kid is sick, looking it up for yourself.

19:24SPEAKERI can't imagine when it's your child.

19:25SPEAKERWell, right.

19:26SPEAKERHe was like, buy, pick, pick a, like, there's a bazillion different books by

19:30SPEAKERhospitals and doctors that are like, here's everything you need to know about

19:33SPEAKERkeeping your zero to two year old alive.

19:36SPEAKERRight.

19:37SPEAKERSo what you do is you buy that.

19:39SPEAKERWe bought the Mayo clinic version of that.

19:41SPEAKERWe put it in the house and whenever the kid was sick, we looked up symptoms there.

19:45SPEAKERAnd we use that instead of going down the Google hole.

19:47SPEAKERCause like, like if something, if something serious happens, Google's great.

19:51SPEAKERYou can find out where the best hospitals to be are like what kind of experimental

19:55SPEAKERtreatments and shit are out there, all of that stuff.

19:57SPEAKERBut if you're like your kid has the sniffles or a fever or something,

19:59SPEAKERthen like just use the book.

20:00SPEAKERYou're good.

20:01SPEAKERYes.

20:03SPEAKERIt's a, it's a massive information out there.

20:05SPEAKERIt's too much information.

20:06SPEAKERYes.

20:07SPEAKERWe're monkeys.

20:07SPEAKERWe were born to live in trees and you know, we're not, we can't cope with all,

20:12SPEAKERevery human having access to the entirety of the world's information.

20:15SPEAKERBe careful with it.

20:16SPEAKERIndeed.

20:18SPEAKERGreat power, great risk, you know, whatever searchability.

20:21SPEAKERYes.

20:22SPEAKERYes.

20:22SPEAKERI know.

20:23SPEAKERWe just write down the episode title there.

20:26SPEAKERUh, well, I lost track of the email list.

20:29SPEAKEROh, here we go.

20:29SPEAKERUh, Jacob writes in wondering if y'all could wax philosophical about the

20:34SPEAKERsimilarities and differences between digital app stores on gaming consoles

20:38SPEAKERversus the Apple app store issues that are angering regulatory bodies

20:42SPEAKERand the Tim Sweeney's of the world.

20:44SPEAKERUh, is it the relative level of ubiquity of the, of the iPhone that makes

20:48SPEAKERthe closed nature more problematic?

20:50SPEAKERI've, I've wondered this exact same thing as, as Apple is the target

20:54SPEAKERof a bunch of antitrust action in Europe.

20:57SPEAKERAnd there's again, the Tim Sweeney epic stuff going on.

21:01SPEAKERThere's like, you know, there's all this, all these questions around like

21:03SPEAKERtheir revenue split with, with developers of apps on the app store.

21:08SPEAKERWhen, when exactly as Jacob points out, like that revenue split is pretty

21:12SPEAKERstandard across Xbox live and the PlayStation store and steam and like all

21:18SPEAKERof these other like gaming stores and similar, you know, software platforms

21:22SPEAKERare kind of identical and nobody is like out there banging the drum about

21:26SPEAKERregulating them or, you know,

21:29SPEAKERso how many people, how many Xbox ones exist in the world?

21:34SPEAKERXbox ones, several hundred million dozen million.

21:39SPEAKERThey may have, may have gotten to a hundred million worldwide.

21:42SPEAKERHow many iPhones exist?

21:43SPEAKERYeah.

21:43SPEAKERI mean, is that really what it is?

21:44SPEAKERIs it just a scale problem?

21:47SPEAKERThe iPhone smartphones are general purpose computing devices.

21:50SPEAKERAnd for many people they're their only computer, their primary computer.

21:54SPEAKERSo this is a basic necessity versus luxury item kind of thing.

21:58SPEAKERYeah.

21:58SPEAKERAnd consoles are luxury items.

21:59SPEAKERThat's for sure.

22:00SPEAKERYes.

22:00SPEAKERNobody, like nobody, nobody is going to like, fail to get a job or like not

22:06SPEAKERbe able to get a doctor's appointment or something like that because...

22:08SPEAKEROr not going to pay their power or...

22:10SPEAKERBecause, because, because they don't have an Xbox or a PS5, right?

22:12SPEAKERYeah, that's exactly it.

22:14SPEAKERYeah.

22:14SPEAKERThat makes sense.

22:15SPEAKERI mean, I think, I think you can argue that those are closed markets

22:19SPEAKERand closed platforms and that thus they should be regulated more than they are,

22:22SPEAKERwhich I don't necessarily disagree with.

22:24SPEAKERBut, but I think like the Apple versus Tim Sweeney, and now Facebook has

22:30SPEAKERentered that fray seemingly on the side of, of, of Tim, of, so we have...

22:34SPEAKEROh, I missed that.

22:35SPEAKERWhat did they...

22:36SPEAKERIt just started happening.

22:37SPEAKERI think, I think it just happened yesterday, but basically they're saying,

22:40SPEAKERlook, Apple's anti-competitive in a bunch of really important ways that

22:43SPEAKERfuck over our ad revenue because Apple, well, Apple flipped the switch

22:48SPEAKERon like disabling cross app and cross browser tracking stuff on iOS.

22:54SPEAKERIt's the default now instead of an opt-in.

22:55SPEAKEROh, interesting.

22:56SPEAKEROkay.

22:56SPEAKERSo that, that is impacting Facebook's business, presumably.

23:00SPEAKERIt's just interesting for Facebook to be out there saying things like that,

23:03SPEAKERgiven recent goings on in our government with respect to Facebook.

23:07SPEAKERLook, there's a whole other, like the, the, what is it?

23:12SPEAKERThe Bama's?

23:13SPEAKERNo, Google Fangs?

23:16SPEAKERFang.

23:17SPEAKERFang.

23:18SPEAKERYeah, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google.

23:22SPEAKERI've been rereading Neuromancer and it feels like we're entering

23:26SPEAKERthe age of corporate warfare.

23:27SPEAKERLike it really, wait, it's not good.

23:30SPEAKERAre they literally going to start hiring standing armies?

23:33SPEAKERLook, I think is there going to be an Apple militia?

23:36SPEAKERI got, I hope that I can't imagine anything grimmer than an Apple.

23:39SPEAKERLike every time you buy a new iPhone, they come out and they clap for you.

23:43SPEAKERRemember when the term, the term PMC started sounding quaint for a while.

23:47SPEAKERIt was some, just some funny 2008 Metal Gear Solid stuff, but we

23:49SPEAKERmight have to dust that one off.

23:51SPEAKERGod, what if Kojima was right about all of it?

23:53SPEAKERI don't want to entertain that possibility.

23:58SPEAKERHe's been, he's been right about enough so far.

24:00SPEAKERYeah.

24:00SPEAKERUm, okay.

24:02SPEAKERUh, Alice in Los Angeles.

24:05SPEAKERDo you have any stubborn habits that you realize aren't practical,

24:07SPEAKERbut you continue doing anyway?

24:09SPEAKERI have two.

24:10SPEAKERIf I miss type something into Google, I will correct it and research, even

24:14SPEAKERthough Google knows what I wanted and is showing me the correct results already.

24:19SPEAKERI get, I get it.

24:20SPEAKERUh, I also will stubbornly try to find articles or blog posts using site

24:24SPEAKERnavigation, sometimes going back multiple pages in a new section, even

24:27SPEAKERthough I know searching will be faster.

24:30SPEAKERI am a hundred percent with you on that first, uh, specifically the Google

24:34SPEAKERthing where if you misspell something and it's like, did you mean this?

24:37SPEAKERWe're showing you that anyway, but they give you an opportunity to click on the

24:40SPEAKERproper term, you know what I'm talking about?

24:43SPEAKERYou know, I will always, I will, I will always click on that link

24:46SPEAKERto the corrected search term, even though they are showing me

24:49SPEAKERthe exact same search results.

24:51SPEAKERHuh?

24:51SPEAKERIt's dumb.

24:53SPEAKERSo I do, I just stopped biting my fingernails after 45 years.

24:57SPEAKEROkay.

24:58SPEAKERWow.

24:58SPEAKERI did.

24:59SPEAKERI did not know you were a nibbler.

25:01SPEAKERI just, I love it.

25:02SPEAKERI just, I just can't get enough.

25:05SPEAKERUm, I know I, whenever I get, it turns out, it turns out when I get in the

25:08SPEAKERcar, I bite my fingernails when I'm bored driving and driving.

25:14SPEAKERI mean, you only need one hand to drive.

25:16SPEAKERThat's true.

25:16SPEAKERSo I was, yes, I was always a one hand driver as well.

25:20SPEAKERYeah.

25:20SPEAKERSo, um, I was kind of a one thumb driver, just lick the fingers

25:26SPEAKERand put them on the wheel.

25:27SPEAKERJust kind of hanging the thumb on the bottom to keep the wheel steady.

25:30SPEAKERI mean, on, on a straight away is what I mean.

25:32SPEAKERYeah.

25:32SPEAKERYou know, if your tire blows when you got just one thumb on there, that

25:35SPEAKERwheel's going to get wrenched around, you're going to go off and drive off a cliff.

25:38SPEAKERThat could be a problem, but I also haven't driven in 10 plus years.

25:42SPEAKERSo weird habits.

25:43SPEAKERDo I, I mean, I don't know that I, so I used to keep my desktop really organized.

25:48SPEAKERAnd then a few years ago, I just declared desktop bankruptcy and hit all the icons.

25:53SPEAKERYeah.

25:53SPEAKERAnd now there's, let's see, I'll tell you how many items this is air.

25:58SPEAKERThis air, the shame 443 items on my desktop.

26:02SPEAKERHoly shit, man.

26:05SPEAKERI mean, there's only about 125 folders, so that's good.

26:08SPEAKERI'm trying to clean this up.

26:09SPEAKERThat's horrendous.

26:11SPEAKERUh, I mean, I'm with you.

26:12SPEAKERI've got, I don't know, a few dozen.

26:14SPEAKERLet's see here.

26:15SPEAKERWhat do you just all enter those things?

26:18SPEAKERNo, if you it's on the status bar on the bottom in your file Explorer.

26:22SPEAKEROh, Oh, right.

26:23SPEAKEROf course.

26:23SPEAKERYeah, that would be faster.

26:24SPEAKERUm, most of them are shortcuts to steam games.

26:26SPEAKERIt looks like what I hate.

26:29SPEAKERI hate desktop shortcuts to applications.

26:31SPEAKERThat's what the start menu is for.

26:33SPEAKERWe're steamy, uh, 56, 56 items for me.

26:38SPEAKERUh, I have every episode of the tech pod on my desktop.

26:41SPEAKERApparently just the, just my track, the audacity file.

26:45SPEAKEROh my God.

26:45SPEAKERI religious.

26:46SPEAKEROkay.

26:46SPEAKERWell, we've now there's another email after this.

26:48SPEAKERWe have to move on to after this about being organized, but I religiously delete

26:52SPEAKERthe audacity project every week after.

26:55SPEAKERThat's probably more responsible after everything's put together.

26:58SPEAKERI seven zip up the smallest possible project that could recreate the, the

27:02SPEAKERepisode if need be and throw that on my NAS and then delete everything else

27:06SPEAKERassociated to it.

27:07SPEAKERYeah, I just deleted 78 steam shortcuts.

27:09SPEAKERSo I got that going for me.

27:10SPEAKERThat's probably a good thing to do.

27:12SPEAKERUh, I've got, I've got catch all folders on the right for like, you know, I've got

27:17SPEAKERone for URL shortcuts and like one for media, one for audacity project, you know

27:22SPEAKERwhat I mean?

27:23SPEAKERBut, but things still send to.

27:26SPEAKERIf you, uh, need lib crypto dash one underscore one dash x 64 dot DLL, I can hook

27:32SPEAKERyou up.

27:33SPEAKERI think I can source my DLLs on my own.

27:35SPEAKERThank you.

27:35SPEAKEROkay.

27:36SPEAKERUm, I got a DX diag here.

27:39SPEAKERSpeaking of speaking of jeez, man, that's a blast from the past.

27:42SPEAKERUh, speaking of bad habits, probably 20 years ago, I got into, I developed the

27:48SPEAKERnervous tick of absentmindedly right.

27:51SPEAKERClicking the desktop and clicking refresh over and over.

27:55SPEAKEROh no.

27:56SPEAKERDo you know what I'm talking about that probably started around, like, I want to

28:01SPEAKERsay around like maybe windows 2000 or maybe early XP.

28:05SPEAKERThere was like something wrong.

28:07SPEAKERWell, there was always something wrong with the desktop, right?

28:09SPEAKERYeah.

28:09SPEAKERThere was your active, your active widgets were not working right.

28:12SPEAKERYour components were broken that whole period from windows 98 on with the active

28:18SPEAKERdesktop stuff, it's always something broken with the desktop, but I assume at

28:22SPEAKERsome point there was something wrong that clicking refresh and the right click menu

28:26SPEAKERfixed.

28:27SPEAKERAnd I just got in the habit of doing that without thinking about it.

28:30SPEAKERAnd like, now if I'm just sitting around, like, like at work, if somebody came

28:34SPEAKERby my desk and was chatting, I would just sit there like right clicking and clicking

28:38SPEAKERrefresh over and over and over thinking about it.

28:41SPEAKERCause it's just a thing to do.

28:42SPEAKERAnd in my first job after college, I was sitting there on like a dual one 33

28:48SPEAKERPentium server one day, upgrading windows NT three five one and, or updating it and my

28:56SPEAKERboss who was an old, like he was, he was an old, he'd been doing this for a long

29:00SPEAKERtime.

29:01SPEAKERHe was like, man, you're just generating all sorts of extra interrupts doing that.

29:04SPEAKERYou're just making it take longer with all these interrupts.

29:06SPEAKERI was like, it's doing 133 million operations a second times two.

29:11SPEAKERWe're probably okay.

29:12SPEAKERBut I didn't say that.

29:14SPEAKERYeah.

29:15SPEAKERI mean, there was a time when he was probably right.

29:17SPEAKERI mean, quantitatively, he's not wrong.

29:19SPEAKERYeah.

29:20SPEAKERNo, no.

29:21SPEAKERUm, whether, whether the amount of extra nanoseconds is meaningfully to you as a

29:25SPEAKERhuman being is another question.

29:27SPEAKERYeah.

29:27SPEAKERI feel like I don't have a whole lot of, I mean, my, the, yeah, no, I think I eat at

29:33SPEAKERmy desk.

29:33SPEAKERThat's a gross habit.

29:34SPEAKEROh yeah.

29:34SPEAKERI get crumbs everywhere.

29:36SPEAKERI have, as I feel rooted to this desk in the work from home situation, I definitely

29:41SPEAKEReat way too many meals in front of the computer.

29:43SPEAKERYeah.

29:43SPEAKERI used to not, but now I do.

29:45SPEAKERCause I just like spend 12 hours a day at this desk now.

29:50SPEAKERYeah.

29:50SPEAKERI love this room.

29:51SPEAKERThis is my favorite room in the house.

29:52SPEAKERI damn well better be.

29:55SPEAKERUh, all right.

29:56SPEAKERLet's read this next email.

29:57SPEAKERIt kind of dovetails with that last one.

29:58SPEAKERBrian from Boston between your day jobs, the tech pod streaming and other hobbies

30:04SPEAKERand projects of yours and being a parent on Will's part, I imagine it could feel

30:08SPEAKERlike your time gets spread a bit thin.

30:11SPEAKERUh, or you can feel scattered if you don't stay on top of things.

30:13SPEAKERSo I was wondering what methods or tools you have for staying organized.

30:17SPEAKERUh, I encountered this feeling often.

30:19SPEAKERI'm a mechanical engineer by day and have a number of musical projects.

30:22SPEAKERI work on in my spare time.

30:23SPEAKERDamn.

30:23SPEAKERLet's talk about cognitive load.

30:25SPEAKERThat's that's a lot along with other secondary hobbies.

30:30SPEAKERUh, I've tried making to do lists, but they only get me so far.

30:33SPEAKERSo I was wondering what methods you guys utilize for organization.

30:37SPEAKERI have a big long to do list, like a physical written, like handwritten one.

30:42SPEAKERUm, there's two.

30:43SPEAKERThere's one.

30:44SPEAKERSo a few years ago I made a magnet board for the fridge that is also like, it's

30:49SPEAKERlike, it's like veneer on metal.

30:50SPEAKERSo the magnets stick to it.

30:51SPEAKERAnd then I put whiteboard paint on the veneer so that it's, you can write on it.

30:56SPEAKERBut I have a bunch of magnets that are like the common recurring stuff, like

30:59SPEAKERgirl scout meetings and soccer and stuff like that.

31:01SPEAKERAnd then you can also write in one-off things and that's not bad.

31:07SPEAKERAnd, but that that's for the shared family one.

31:09SPEAKERSo that's like kid stuff, doctor stuff, like, like things we have

31:14SPEAKERto go with multiple people.

31:15SPEAKERFor my personal stuff, I have meetings on calendars and then I have a big long

31:21SPEAKERlist of all the to dos because I used to maintain like, so I do food stuff.

31:26SPEAKERI do Twitch streaming stuff.

31:28SPEAKERI do tech pod stuff.

31:29SPEAKERAnd then I'm dad.

31:31SPEAKERAnd between those three things, four things I have.

31:35SPEAKERLike I used to keep individual to do list and that was a disaster.

31:38SPEAKERSo keeping everything on one giant list made it much more manageable.

31:42SPEAKERYeah.

31:42SPEAKERI like that idea of the physical to do list, because I feel like if you have to

31:45SPEAKERget up and walk to it and look at it, there's this kind of, I assume there's

31:49SPEAKERmaybe a psychological benefit there of like, you're already on your feet.

31:52SPEAKERYou've already made the effort to go seek the list out.

31:54SPEAKERSo like you kind of have to engage with what's on there and like get on with it.

31:58SPEAKERYeah.

31:58SPEAKERWell, it's stuck on the front of the fridge too.

32:00SPEAKERSo like I can't miss it during the day.

32:02SPEAKERAnd like, it's just a habit to when I'm there, look at the thing, the thing

32:06SPEAKERthat's written there for the next couple of days.

32:07SPEAKERThat sounds good because I was going to contrast that with, I use the reminders

32:12SPEAKERon the iPhone fairly often, but I find them very easy to ignore, especially

32:18SPEAKERrecurring ones I'd like for, if it's like, Hey, take, take your medication

32:21SPEAKERevery morning or whatever, like stuff like that, it's just like, I completely

32:24SPEAKERjust gloss over it.

32:24SPEAKERI don't even pay attention to it anymore.

32:26SPEAKERSo like, I feel like mobile device notifications are not the

32:30SPEAKERbest way to keep up with things.

32:31SPEAKERI also find, I don't know about you.

32:34SPEAKERLike I'm juggling so many more notifications for people sending me messages

32:38SPEAKERacross half a dozen different chat services these days, like anything

32:41SPEAKERthat's not that, and even a lot of those, they get so buried at this point

32:44SPEAKERthat like, I don't want to, I don't want to get into it too much, but a family

32:49SPEAKERmember was, went to the ER a couple of weekends ago and I didn't see it because

32:53SPEAKERthere were so many other messages that buried the notification that I didn't

32:57SPEAKERknow about it until the next day.

32:58SPEAKERAnd everything turned out fine, thankfully, but.

33:00SPEAKEROh, well, that's good.

33:01SPEAKERUm, like pruning notifications helps, but yeah, like the, one of the things

33:06SPEAKERI saw, I used to like, at the end of the day, I would look at my emails

33:09SPEAKERand that I'd make meetings and stuff for things I didn't get invites to.

33:12SPEAKERAnd that's just not tenable anymore.

33:14SPEAKERSo like what, honestly, this is the thing I use the Google, um, nest

33:21SPEAKERhub, you know, the, the voice thing for more than anything else.

33:24SPEAKERCause I can say, Hey, make an appointment for 11 o'clock on Friday morning.

33:28SPEAKERAnd if with Brad and it will make a thing called with Brad for

33:32SPEAKER11 o'clock on Friday morning.

33:34SPEAKERYou could probably infer the rest.

33:36SPEAKERYeah.

33:36SPEAKERWell, it's like, it just needs to be there.

33:38SPEAKERSo I don't forget that I have the fucking, like I can go through and find the

33:40SPEAKERmeeting in my email or DMS or whatever.

33:43SPEAKERBut like the, like it's maddening, especially the Twitch stuff.

33:47SPEAKERAnytime somebody wants to pay me something to do something on Twitch, like

33:49SPEAKERnot, this is a real, like, this is a good problem to have, but it's like some

33:53SPEAKERstuff comes in on Discord DM, some stuff comes in on Twitter DM, some stuff comes

33:57SPEAKERon an email, like there's 15 different places that I can get.

34:01SPEAKERSo I've gotten, I've gotten solicitations for sponsors stuff on Twitch DMS, which

34:06SPEAKERis just, it's just fucking weird.

34:08SPEAKERWhy would you send a Twitch DM?

34:11SPEAKERI don't even remember that I have a friends list on there.

34:13SPEAKERYeah.

34:14SPEAKERYeah.

34:14SPEAKERI find, uh, I find, um, two things there's in, in my head, there's a distinction

34:21SPEAKERbetween the like perfect, perfectly organized system of organization and the

34:25SPEAKERreality, you know, which is like, like the, the idealized version is you have one

34:30SPEAKERcalendar, you have one messaging service, you have one set of reminders, you have

34:33SPEAKERone of everything, right?

34:36SPEAKERBut in reality is like, I've got three different calendars.

34:38SPEAKERLike we are, we are on outlook and Google email inboxes at work right now.

34:42SPEAKERCause we're transitioning to another company, like reminders all over the place,

34:47SPEAKERlike messages from like, like I said, six different services.

34:50SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

34:50SPEAKERIt's just like, it's something that the other thing I was gonna say is like the

34:54SPEAKERmore formalized you make your system of organization, the more work it is to the

34:57SPEAKERpoint that it could easily just become another job.

34:59SPEAKERI feel like like the more, the more you work to like consolidate all that stuff

35:03SPEAKERinto one calendar and one inbox and one, whatever, like the more of your time it

35:07SPEAKERtakes up that you could be doing other stuff.

35:09SPEAKEROkay.

35:09SPEAKERLook, I got an idea.

35:11SPEAKERWe need, we need to come up with a snappy name for this.

35:15SPEAKERAre you going to propose a life, a lifestyle aggregator minimum viable task

35:20SPEAKERlist is that like, this is a deep thought.

35:24SPEAKERThis is a good, this is a good thought.

35:26SPEAKERI was like some Tim Ferriss bullshit.

35:28SPEAKERHang on.

35:29SPEAKERIs this, is this a billion dollar startup idea or is this a democratized, like

35:32SPEAKERpassive house style philosophical idea?

35:35SPEAKERWe're going to put out into the world.

35:37SPEAKERYeah.

35:37SPEAKERPotato, potato.

35:38SPEAKERLet's let's not get ahead of ourselves here, but no, I think, I mean, I think, I

35:43SPEAKERthink the minimum viable task list is, is the approach that works best for me just

35:49SPEAKERbecause like, I've, I tried 79 folders or whatever that one was.

35:53SPEAKERI've done all I've been through.

35:54SPEAKERI did the, the one where you buy the special books from the publisher and like

35:58SPEAKERyou have the app that looks like the book and the book writes it like none of that

36:01SPEAKERshit where the more overhead there is for it, the least likely less likely I am to

36:06SPEAKERactually use it.

36:07SPEAKERUm, so yeah, like do the, like, like I, I set myself a reminder using the Google

36:14SPEAKERvoice thing the other day, and then it took me 14 minutes when I got the reminder

36:19SPEAKERon my phone to figure out where the reminders were.

36:24SPEAKERThe system has failed.

36:25SPEAKEROh, I fucked up.

36:26SPEAKERI've done a bad thing here.

36:27SPEAKERSo yeah, minimum, minimum vital task list.

36:30SPEAKERI'm up.

36:31SPEAKERImagine, imagine being successful and important enough that you can hire somebody

36:35SPEAKERelse to do all that for you.

36:37SPEAKERA friend of mine once upon a time was like, look, here's the thing.

36:43SPEAKERYou can do a limited number of things.

36:44SPEAKERYour time is valuable.

36:45SPEAKERPay someone to do the things that you, that somebody else can do.

36:48SPEAKERIt's like, that's great, but you have to have money to pay them.

36:51SPEAKERYes.

36:51SPEAKERWell, that is where it all breaks down.

36:52SPEAKERThat is, that is the rub.

36:54SPEAKERYeah.

36:54SPEAKERUh, unless somebody wants to organize my life for me out of the goodness of their

36:57SPEAKERheart, no, no, no.

36:59SPEAKERYou can't, you can't pay people exposure for that kind of work.

37:03SPEAKERIt was a joke being flippant.

37:07SPEAKERAll right.

37:07SPEAKERFrom a minimum viable task lists to Christina's question minimum set up for

37:13SPEAKERlive streaming on Twitch or YouTube as an artist or as a gamer, I'm sorry, as an

37:17SPEAKERartist and as a gamer, I'm sorry.

37:19SPEAKERUm, I saw my first response to this, which I think you will challenge was just point

37:25SPEAKERa laptop.

37:26SPEAKERLike you literally, I mean, that is, I mean, like that, I mean, that is like a

37:30SPEAKERtechnical answer to the question is like, you certainly could literally just use the

37:34SPEAKERwebcam and the room mic in a, in a laptop.

37:37SPEAKERIt's hard to point a laptop at like a hand.

37:40SPEAKERYeah.

37:40SPEAKERWell, I'm not saying it would be a good stream.

37:42SPEAKERI'm just saying that like, if you, in a pinch, if you had to stream something, you

37:45SPEAKERcould do that.

37:46SPEAKERWell, so I think, I mean, I have some thoughts about this.

37:50SPEAKERI think, I mean, one of the things that I learned that I didn't appreciate before we

37:54SPEAKERstarted testing 10 years ago is how important audio is.

37:59SPEAKERYes.

38:00SPEAKERLike it turns out the video can be full potato quality.

38:02SPEAKERIf you're like, if you have a good microphone, Vinny was saying that he was

38:05SPEAKERlike, he was like offering that as a maxim of production to me recently was that I

38:11SPEAKERforget exactly how he phrased it, but like, people will forgive bad video way before

38:15SPEAKERthey will forgive good, bad audio.

38:17SPEAKERYeah.

38:17SPEAKERWell, I mean, the thing is, if you have to pick one audio is the one you have to get

38:20SPEAKERright.

38:21SPEAKERYeah.

38:21SPEAKERThink, think about YouTube in like pre HD YouTube when it was like full potato

38:27SPEAKERquality video and like literally everybody else on the planet was doing better

38:30SPEAKERquality video.

38:31SPEAKERAnd they were like, look, we're just doing volume with garbage video and nobody

38:34SPEAKERcares.

38:35SPEAKERIt's fine.

38:37SPEAKERLike, I think by a decent, like, and just to be clear, a decent mic, we're talking

38:42SPEAKERabout like 40 or 50 bucks.

38:43SPEAKERIf you're, if you're watching for sales, like blue snowballs don't last very long,

38:48SPEAKERbut they'll get you started and see if there's a business.

38:50SPEAKERLike if, if you think that you're going to be making money on Twitch, then a blue

38:55SPEAKERsnowball or a blue Yeti for a hundred bucks will get you go.

38:58SPEAKERI mean, you're using a Yeti right now.

38:59SPEAKERIt's a fine, they're fine.

39:00SPEAKERMike's fine.

39:01SPEAKERI also, I've had it for, I think five years ish now.

39:04SPEAKERSo the mics held up, the USB comes out of the, the way the Jack comes out of the

39:10SPEAKERsnowball is bad compared to the Yeti in my experience.

39:13SPEAKEROkay.

39:14SPEAKERUm, I was also, since she mentioned, uh, being a gamer, I was going to say like a

39:19SPEAKERdecent gaming headset is not the worst, you know, like something like I've, I've

39:23SPEAKERbeen using Astro a forties for a very long time.

39:25SPEAKERLike, you know, with a little, little integrated mic, you know, that just bends

39:28SPEAKERaround to your mouth from the headset like that, that, that is a, as an option.

39:31SPEAKERLike those mics are not terrible.

39:33SPEAKERLike it's not, it's better than using the webcam mic for sure.

39:35SPEAKERAbsolutely.

39:36SPEAKERI like, I play, I play games with three people who are using gamer headsets and

39:41SPEAKERthe mics on those are, are good to very good broadcast quality, but

39:46SPEAKERthey're fine for, for a Twitch stream.

39:49SPEAKERAnd, and the one advantage of, of having a headset mic versus a stationary

39:51SPEAKERmic, especially as she says, as an artist, like if you've got a project that you

39:55SPEAKERneed to move around a little bit and you can't just be rooted to a mic that's

39:58SPEAKERstationary on a desk, like that'll help you be a little more mobile around what

40:02SPEAKERyou're working on.

40:03SPEAKERWell, that, I mean, that's why I use a headset mic for, for streams is cause

40:06SPEAKERthen I can move my head and I don't worry about losing the, losing the sweet spot

40:10SPEAKERon the microphone.

40:11SPEAKERYeah.

40:12SPEAKEROh, and then for camera, I use bongo ties and like you can get a, they're called

40:20SPEAKERlike gooseneck tablet holders or gooseneck tripods.

40:25SPEAKERAnd it's basically just a tripod with a clamp on one end that you can clamp onto

40:28SPEAKERyour table and a big bendy stiff, like in one of those, you know, it's got like two

40:32SPEAKERwires inside a plastic tube and you can arrange, you can orient it however you

40:36SPEAKERwant and it'll stay more or less in that position.

40:38SPEAKERAnd you can like zip tie or rubber band, a webcam to that, and then aim your

40:43SPEAKERwebcam at your work surface when you're like, I use it for doing like Lego and

40:47SPEAKERbuilding, building, like doing soldering and stuff for streams for that.

40:51SPEAKERBut you could also use it easily for, um, uh, like, uh, showing your hands when

40:57SPEAKERyou're drawing or sculpting or whatever.

40:59SPEAKERYeah.

40:59SPEAKERThe good news is they're just, I don't think there have ever been more, more and

41:03SPEAKERmore inexpensive options out there for, for mic and video stuff for life.

41:08SPEAKERYeah, no.

41:08SPEAKERAnd I completely forgot.

41:09SPEAKERLike there's also that Elgato, there's that thing Elgato bought.

41:12SPEAKERUm, it's called, uh, I use it, uh, sometimes the camera thing.

41:19SPEAKERUm, Epic Cam Pro.

41:23SPEAKERSo Epic Cam Pro, if you, it lets you use your phone as a USB camera.

41:29SPEAKEROh, I didn't think about that.

41:31SPEAKERI have a free, well, is that free?

41:35SPEAKERIt's eight bucks.

41:36SPEAKEROkay.

41:37SPEAKERThere's a hold up.

41:37SPEAKERLet me find, um, it's on my phone somewhere.

41:43SPEAKERWell, the, so the benefit of doing this is the camera on your phone is going to be

41:47SPEAKERway better than the camera on your than like even a shitty, even a pretty good

41:50SPEAKERwebcam on your, on your computer, like your laptop or something.

41:55SPEAKERSo you can also use that for like handhelds, or you can mount that in one of

41:59SPEAKERthose, one of those brackets as well.

42:01SPEAKERAh, crap.

42:01SPEAKERThe app on my phone is just called webcam.

42:04SPEAKERI'm not sure what the full app store name is.

42:06SPEAKERLet me see if I can find it real fast.

42:08SPEAKERSo, so the Epic Cam, the thing that Elgato bought is, uh, it works over wifi.

42:14SPEAKERIf you have AC or you can do USB and like I've used it as a wireless remote before

42:20SPEAKERfor Twitch streams, which is interesting.

42:22SPEAKERI found the app I was looking for.

42:24SPEAKERThis is weird.

42:25SPEAKERDid they, it's only two bucks.

42:27SPEAKERThey charge for it now.

42:27SPEAKERI, it was free when I got it.

42:29SPEAKERDoes that happen?

42:29SPEAKERYes.

42:30SPEAKERFree apps go paid.

42:31SPEAKERSometimes people, people go free to pay.

42:34SPEAKERIt's a good app.

42:34SPEAKERIt's no longer, no longer free, but it's only two bucks.

42:37SPEAKERSo it's not the end of the world.

42:38SPEAKERIt's called instant webcam by Phobos lab.

42:41SPEAKEROkay.

42:41SPEAKERWhich is like, I like it.

42:42SPEAKERThat has lab in the name.

42:43SPEAKERThat's good.

42:45SPEAKERTell you know, they mean business.

42:46SPEAKERThey have a very nice webpage.

42:47SPEAKERIf you want to go there and look at it, uh, instant dash webcam.com.

42:53SPEAKEROkay.

42:53SPEAKERLike you can, it's I've used it a ton.

42:56SPEAKERIt does require a little network knowledge because when it's doing, is it

42:59SPEAKERactually like you open it and it starts recording or not recording.

43:02SPEAKERIt starts streaming video and it just straight up slaps and HTTP link with a

43:06SPEAKERnetwork address on there and you open that in a browser.

43:09SPEAKERSo it's, it's, you're, you're viewing it in a browser window.

43:12SPEAKERSo the epic camera EPOC cam, you just install a OBS plugin and then it just,

43:20SPEAKERit just shows up as a source and it's that simple to use.

43:22SPEAKERThat actually sounds a little more convenient.

43:24SPEAKERI mean, this, this works fine for that too, but you have to like

43:26SPEAKERcapture a browser window manually.

43:27SPEAKEROr actually you can open it as a browser source in OBS with

43:30SPEAKERthat note, with that address.

43:31SPEAKERSo that also works.

43:32SPEAKERThat seems, that seems like the right way to do it.

43:34SPEAKERThe captioning browser sources can be tricky because like chrome, you can't

43:38SPEAKERcapture, you can't capture Firefox.

43:40SPEAKERIt's a little messy, but it's like good quality 30 FPS video through this thing.

43:44SPEAKERSo those are two good options for like a mobile camera using your phone.

43:47SPEAKERYeah.

43:48SPEAKERUm, all right.

43:50SPEAKERLet's do a couple more here.

43:53SPEAKERDave from Newfoundland that's in Canada.

43:55SPEAKERI know.

43:56SPEAKERUh, I just got a 3070 and I'm wondering what to do with my 970 that I'm

44:01SPEAKERreplacing besides just selling it.

44:03SPEAKERI'm aware that, okay, next email.

44:08SPEAKERI'm aware that external GPU's are sold as a self-contained unit that I was

44:11SPEAKERwondering if there's a way to take my formerly internal 970 and make it an

44:15SPEAKERexternal that I can plug into a laptop.

44:17SPEAKERUh, is there a kit for this or am I looking at a more technical procedure?

44:21SPEAKERThere are definitely kits for this.

44:23SPEAKERThey're not cheap.

44:24SPEAKERThere's boxes.

44:25SPEAKERThey're not really kits.

44:26SPEAKERSo just a kind of a big rugged looking enclosure that you

44:29SPEAKERstick your graphics card in.

44:30SPEAKERYeah, they're called the eGPU.

44:32SPEAKERThe, the thing you're going to search for is eGPU cases.

44:34SPEAKERI looked for reviews that are relatively current and the most recent ones I

44:38SPEAKERcould find were from the start of 2020 from sites that I recognized.

44:42SPEAKERUm, the, the, the I I've, I've used one in the past.

44:47SPEAKERUm, most of them only fit at most a two slot card and they don't work with,

44:53SPEAKERusually they only work with video cards.

44:55SPEAKERSo like I tried to put a PCI express capture card in one once, and that

44:59SPEAKERjust, it didn't know what to do with it.

45:00SPEAKERAnd it was like, I'm not going to expose you to the main PC.

45:03SPEAKERUh, they, they typically connect over USB three, whatever the current

45:09SPEAKERversion is when you buy the enclosure.

45:11SPEAKERUm, USB three, USB C three point three point one, whatever it's the PC.

45:18SPEAKERIt's the one that exposes PCI express bus across the US basically Thunderbolt

45:21SPEAKERtype stuff, it's a, it's basically like the USB version of Thunderbolt.

45:25SPEAKEROkay.

45:25SPEAKERUm, the performance is fine in, it depends on like whether it's going to

45:32SPEAKERbe useful, depends on the laptop you had.

45:33SPEAKERSo I plugged it into like a 2016 razor dual core 13 inch laptop, which is

45:39SPEAKERbasically like their, their Mac book pro kind of chassis, but it's got a huge

45:45SPEAKERinternal, it's got a 10 60 GPU inside.

45:48SPEAKERSo like there's no, it's all cooling and, and, and, and it's basically

45:53SPEAKERall cooling inside the laptop chassis.

45:55SPEAKERThere's hardly any battery.

45:57SPEAKERUh, the dual cord CPU had a hard time driving the real GPU was my experience

46:03SPEAKERon that for most stuff I was playing.

46:06SPEAKERUm, I think like the problem is that the, the eGPU containers, because they're a

46:13SPEAKERkind of specialty item are really expensive, so you're looking at like three

46:17SPEAKERor 400 bucks for the enclosure.

46:20SPEAKERUm, and I just don't like, you're probably, if you have like a 10 60 in a

46:27SPEAKERlaptop, which is going to be the laptop that will support an eGPU enclosure,

46:31SPEAKERassuming you don't have just integrated in that, you're probably going to get

46:34SPEAKERbetter performance off of the built-in GPU than you will the eGPU sounds like

46:38SPEAKERa very specialized product for very specialized situations, not just a general

46:42SPEAKERpurpose, like I'm going to get better graphics on my laptop because it's so

46:45SPEAKERexpensive that what you're getting is probably not worth the money.

46:48SPEAKERYeah.

46:48SPEAKERThey're more, they're more for people like the feeling I got is that they're

46:51SPEAKERfor people who are like plugging into a desk at work and need a bunch of monitors

46:56SPEAKERand maybe some 3d stuff, but are also need to have a laptop to go out in the field.

47:02SPEAKERSo it's more of like a docking station plus a GPU than just a GPU enclosure.

47:06SPEAKERRight.

47:06SPEAKERIt's not going to replace a gaming PC.

47:08SPEAKERIn other words, yeah, the one exception is if you're a maniac and are doing VR

47:12SPEAKERdevelopment for Mac, where your only option is that, or a ridiculously

47:16SPEAKERoverpriced, you know, Mac pro.

47:18SPEAKERYes.

47:19SPEAKERI have an interesting fact about that.

47:21SPEAKERI have the razor eGPU case that it was looking at right before this explicitly

47:25SPEAKERsaid, Hey, don't try to use an Nvidia card with a Mac book with this because it

47:28SPEAKERwon't work because they only use, they only have AMD compatibility.

47:33SPEAKERYeah.

47:33SPEAKERAnd, and also like the, the, there are two slot, there's two slot enclosures.

47:37SPEAKERLike I have a three slot 1080 TI and it just, it just doesn't, there's

47:41SPEAKERno way it's ever going to go into an eGPU enclosure, so, and, and there's

47:46SPEAKERlike, they're not, it is like, I know people who use those to game with a

47:51SPEAKERlaptop, it is not a great experience.

47:53SPEAKERLike even in an old game, like pub G you have problems getting that thing to run

47:58SPEAKERon a laptop at any kind, cause, cause like you, well, what you're doing is

48:01SPEAKERcreating a bunch of weird bottlenecks where most games don't expect to find

48:04SPEAKERbottlenecks and weird stuff happens.

48:06SPEAKERSo, yeah, for minimum two, $300 for something like that, it just does not

48:11SPEAKERseem worth it and just to be clear, it's two or $300 plus the cost of the GPU.

48:15SPEAKERSo it's not like, well, in this case, he's got the nine 70.

48:18SPEAKERYeah.

48:18SPEAKERBut like the point is, it's not like it comes with a GPU that's decent for

48:22SPEAKER300 bucks, like one would expect.

48:24SPEAKERIt's a $300 box that you put a $500 GPU into.

48:28SPEAKERYes.

48:29SPEAKERUm, let's see, should this be our last email?

48:34SPEAKERUh, no, we started like 13 minutes in to the recording.

48:38SPEAKERLet's do two more.

48:39SPEAKEROkay.

48:40SPEAKERUm, Oh gosh, I've got like four to pick from here.

48:44SPEAKERLook, let's let's you want to do a speed round?

48:46SPEAKEROh boy.

48:46SPEAKERI don't know.

48:47SPEAKERThis is just somewhat technical Evan.

48:50SPEAKERI'll be moving to the triangle in North Carolina for work start of January, which

48:54SPEAKERmeans I'll finally be free of Comcast.

48:56SPEAKERCongratulations.

48:57SPEAKERAnd we'll have access to Google fiber up to this point.

49:00SPEAKERI've always bought my own modem and router, but fiber is new to me.

49:03SPEAKERIs there anything special I should be looking for in a new router or is Google's

49:06SPEAKERdefault equipment good enough or cat six and six eight ethernet cables fast enough

49:10SPEAKERto take full advantage of the speeds offered by fiber internet without introducing

49:13SPEAKERany bottlenecks?

49:14SPEAKERAre there any unique challenges that come along with fiber internet that I'm not

49:17SPEAKERthinking of?

49:18SPEAKERAs long as you have a router, that's fast enough to route gigabit, which Google's

49:22SPEAKERstuff certainly will be.

49:25SPEAKERThey'll give you a router that's fast enough.

49:27SPEAKERAlso, I think I have to assume pretty much all the consumer grade routers on the

49:32SPEAKERmarket can do gigabit just fine these days.

49:35SPEAKERI don't think that's true.

49:36SPEAKERThat may, that may not be true.

49:37SPEAKERActually.

49:37SPEAKERLike you might want to look at like what is it?

49:40SPEAKERSmall net builder.

49:40SPEAKERIs that the kind of, I think that's like the defacto router review site that

49:45SPEAKEReverybody uses.

49:46SPEAKERThey, they, they will have pretty good information on like router throughput,

49:49SPEAKERspeed tests.

49:49SPEAKERIf you really want to buy your own stuff.

49:51SPEAKERYeah, I like, I would, so my recommendation is to start with what they give you.

49:55SPEAKERMy guess is that they give you the Google home, a wifi router or the Google wifi

50:00SPEAKERrouters, which are pretty good.

50:01SPEAKERThe mesh network, not dot tubers.

50:03SPEAKERYeah.

50:04SPEAKERUm, I, uh, yeah, like it's cat six is fine.

50:12SPEAKERYes, you'll be, you'll be great.

50:14SPEAKERYou want to get good switches, but like a good switch is 20 bucks.

50:18SPEAKERNow you, you know, think about the number of ports you need and, uh, plug them in

50:22SPEAKERfrom there.

50:23SPEAKERIf you're going to do wifi, you're going to want the fastest wifi you can get, but

50:27SPEAKERlike look at the number of antennas, not necessarily the number that like the

50:32SPEAKERnumber of antennas that you have on both ends, the, the, the mobile ends and the,

50:37SPEAKERand the router end are more important than the, the spec at this point.

50:42SPEAKERCause like AC and AX or wifi five and wifi six, basically the same performance,

50:48SPEAKERuh, assuming you're not someplace that's super congested, but if like a, a two

50:52SPEAKERantenna solutions can be faster than a one antenna solution and a four antenna

50:56SPEAKERsolutions can be faster than a two antenna solution for either one.

50:59SPEAKERSo, yeah, but so, yeah, just to answer his basic question, there's nothing

51:02SPEAKERdifferent about fiber from a copper internet set up, uh, as an, as an end user,

51:07SPEAKERother than the box that you plug your ethernet cable into to connect the

51:10SPEAKERrouter. It's it's on, on your end, it will be exactly the same. It's just very

51:14SPEAKERfast. Yeah. Like the, the things that are great are the latency goes way down on

51:20SPEAKERstuff like real, like, like the time from when you click a page to when it opens

51:25SPEAKERis, is ridiculous. It's really gross. That's lovely. It's really good stuff.

51:29SPEAKEREverybody should have fast energy. Yeah. Look, if I run for president,

51:34SPEAKERmy platform is going to be faster than that for all everyone nationwide fiber.

51:39SPEAKERMake it happen. Why stop at one? Yeah. No, there's 10 gigabit everywhere.

51:44SPEAKER10 gigabit across the country. Let's do it. Once you put the fiber in more

51:47SPEAKERgigabits are free. That's my understanding of the business. We're going to

51:50SPEAKERnationalize fiber. That's I'm sure. Sure. It's quite that simple. Um, let's see

51:56SPEAKERanother quick networking question. Um, this is from Ben. Uh, I'll summarize the

52:04SPEAKERbeginning. He's, uh, he's building a new home. Uh, he's going to run cat six

52:09SPEAKERdolls, uh, rooms. Uh, and he will have a special gigabit fiber connection.

52:15SPEAKERMy question is this, is there a cost or ease or speed benefit to using two to

52:20SPEAKERthree wired access points? He's talking to screed access points versus the

52:25SPEAKERcurrent crop of wireless mesh networks for wifi coverage. Uh, a speed benefit

52:30SPEAKERwas alluded to in the most recent wire cutter review of wifi mesh network

52:34SPEAKERdevices, but I'm having trouble finding dedicated answers. Perhaps this is more

52:38SPEAKERof an enterprise solution than something for, uh, for the home or maybe the

52:42SPEAKERevolution of wireless mesh is an example of the Cheeto of vacation of home

52:46SPEAKERnetwork. Kind of is. Yeah. So he's basically taught like, here's my

52:49SPEAKERunderstanding. You tell me if this is correct. I mean, a mesh network, we've

52:52SPEAKERcovered this before a mesh network. Uh, the discrete access points are

52:57SPEAKERconnecting to each other, right? To extend the range. Is that correct?

52:59SPEAKERThey can be, they'll work either way. Usually they have a wire port and then

53:02SPEAKERthey will also act as an access point. The big advance on the mesh networks.

53:07SPEAKERSo in the old days, the radios were expensive. So like if you bought one of

53:10SPEAKERthose wireless access point extenders, it would be splitting time between

53:15SPEAKERconnecting to clients and connecting back to the mothership with the, with the

53:19SPEAKERmodern mesh networks, they have multiple radios, so they can connect to one or

53:22SPEAKERmore other nodes while also connecting to clients. Okay. Um, they tend to

53:28SPEAKERcongest the channels more, but it's less of a problem with, with wifi five

53:32SPEAKERand six, because, you know, AC and AX, because I, do we have a, do we have a

53:37SPEAKERhouse style on wifi marketing terms versus actual spec names to which we do

53:41SPEAKERspec names or, I don't know. I feel like I'm, I'm partial to data two

53:46SPEAKERdot 11, but you know, it feels weird saying AC for the old thing and

53:52SPEAKERwifi six for the new one. Yes, I understand. Yes. Okay. Anyway,

53:56SPEAKERthat's what happens when consortiums try to get into branding.

54:00SPEAKERThey shouldn't do it. Just stick to your alphanumeric product code.

54:04SPEAKERYeah. Own your IEEE standards dog. Yes. Yes. Um, so, okay. So it's better to

54:12SPEAKERwire your nodes in the better. The other thing that mesh networks do is they

54:17SPEAKERhandle the naming and the channel allocation and that, and the security

54:22SPEAKERstuff. So it stays in sync across all the nodes. If you don't use a mesh

54:26SPEAKERsystem, you have to do that manually. It's not, it's not hard to do, but you

54:30SPEAKERneed to like, you need to make sure that your stuff is set up right. And

54:34SPEAKERyou're not, I, I, I, I apologize in advance because I might get this wrong,

54:38SPEAKERbut I believe you set up multiple nodes with different channels, but the same

54:41SPEAKERSSID and same password so that, so that when your devices are moving between

54:47SPEAKERnodes, they'll connect seamlessly to the, to the most powerful SSID with

54:51SPEAKERthis most powerful AP with the same settings. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

54:56SPEAKEROh, but if you don't have all of the, like every setting has to be the same,

54:59SPEAKERthe channel width and all of that stuff. So if you're connecting like

55:03SPEAKERdifferent, like if you're adding old routers as APs and they use different

55:08SPEAKERsoftware and they call things different things, you have to be really careful

55:10SPEAKERto make sure that your settings actually line up or else the handshake won't be

55:14SPEAKERseamless, the handoff won't be seamless. That's, that's what I was going to ask

55:17SPEAKERabout. Do you know, do you know if, is that noticeable anymore? Do you know,

55:20SPEAKERlike, it depends on the device. Okay. Cause like Nintendo shit is really

55:25SPEAKERbad. Like if you still play games on a 3DS on the internet, which I probably

55:29SPEAKERknow what he does anymore. Don't want to manually switch over if it doesn't,

55:33SPEAKERif you do it wrong. Okay. Yeah, we, I guess we, we got into that a little

55:37SPEAKERbit last week with the 5g stuff where like, for like we use the, the example

55:41SPEAKERof playing a YouTube video, like they buffer enough that like, even if there

55:44SPEAKERis a few seconds of downtime as, as you hand off to the other node, like the

55:49SPEAKERvideo is probably not going to be interrupted. Well, but if you're on like

55:52SPEAKERa video call or something like that, where you can't buffer three seconds,

55:54SPEAKERthat then your call will drop or it'll pause. One thing I do wonder about

55:58SPEAKERwith a discrete access points, and maybe this is also specific to the device

56:02SPEAKERyou're using is when it knows to initiate the handoff, like, is it possible

56:07SPEAKERthat you stay on a node that you're too far away from because it still has some

56:10SPEAKERsignal, even though it's much weaker than the one that's closer by, but it

56:13SPEAKERdoesn't like actually trigger the handoff because it still sees something.

56:17SPEAKERSo living in a house where this is exactly the setup I have, like I, you,

56:24SPEAKERin the living room, it'll connect to the AP in the garage, in the bedroom,

56:27SPEAKERin the bathroom, in the other side of the house, it'll connect to the AP in

56:29SPEAKERmy office and straight up, like it is, it is a problem.

56:36SPEAKERLike, like it depends on the device. Apple devices tend to go for whatever

56:40SPEAKERhas the highest signal strength. Like there's three, like Apple devices

56:44SPEAKERare typically better at figuring out the thresholds than the other devices

56:48SPEAKERI use on the regular.

56:49SPEAKERSo it sounds like they need some kind of active logic in there, like

56:51SPEAKERchecking signal strength regularly and then initiating the handoff.

56:55SPEAKERI assume that's handled by the OS, but I don't know.

56:57SPEAKERYeah. Yeah. But that would make sense to me.

57:00SPEAKERYeah. In fairness, I don't use a lot of Android device, like, like mostly

57:05SPEAKERwhat we use on mobile here are switches and Apple devices.

57:09SPEAKERYeah.

57:09SPEAKERWhen I think about it, there's not a whole lot else on wifi.

57:12SPEAKERDo you have a, do you have like a one word recommendation for him? We've,

57:14SPEAKERI've just got the one access point here. So I don't have experience with this.

57:17SPEAKERWould you, would you tell him to go mesh or?

57:20SPEAKERSo I mean, I think like, look, you're at, you're at the choose your own

57:23SPEAKERadventure stage right now. Right? You can choose

57:26SPEAKERgoing mesh and getting an Eero or an Orbi or a Google home.

57:31SPEAKERAnd like, you can totally like, you don't have to use the radio to radio stuff.

57:35SPEAKERYou can just plug the ethernet into those meshes and they work great to

57:40SPEAKERthose mesh nodes. So it's what my, my dad does at their house. I write,

57:43SPEAKERlike they have wired ethernet to some spots and then the meshes, the mesh

57:48SPEAKERprovides a bubble around the end point for that ethernet terminus, which is great.

57:52SPEAKERYou can also go get like a Ubiquiti standalone edge router, plus

57:59SPEAKERAP system, which is going to be a little bit more expensive, but in the future,

58:03SPEAKERwhen the wifi standards change, you can upgrade the wifi standards without

58:06SPEAKERreplacing your router, which is really nice. I love that. That is my favorite

58:09SPEAKERthing about that setup for sure. Yeah. And like there are Ubiquiti,

58:13SPEAKERthere's a Ubiquiti mesh product now too. So it'll sync all the settings and handle

58:17SPEAKERall the nonsense for you. So you don't have to figure it out. Plus there's a

58:20SPEAKERbunch of good guides on how to do that with the just standard APs.

58:23SPEAKERYes. A lot of options out there. Yeah. All right. Last email from John.

58:32SPEAKERWon't start off by saying I'm a huge fan of the show, but this week you

58:35SPEAKERcalled a beanie a toboggan and as one of the snow people known around the world

58:38SPEAKERas a Canadian, I felt that I have a certain expertise in this subject.

58:42SPEAKERA toboggan is another, is another name for a sled. Typically these are the ones

58:46SPEAKERmade out of thin strips of wood banded together and then rolled back on the

58:49SPEAKERfront and held in place with cord. I believe that the word you are looking

58:53SPEAKERfor is toque. I think there are plenty of different spellings, but that's how we

58:56SPEAKERspell it here in the great white North. John, I have to tell you, this is

59:00SPEAKERsomething that we as Southern transplants have been dealing with for most of our

59:04SPEAKERlives. I didn't realize this was a problem until last week.

59:08SPEAKERWait, really? I don't think so. You've never encountered this?

59:12SPEAKERI also wear a lot of toboggan. I wear a doctor's cap, which is like a

59:19SPEAKERtoboggan, but I feel like the toboggan has to have the poof on top.

59:25SPEAKERI looked this up earlier and one of the sources I found said that a toboggan

59:29SPEAKERhas to be a knit hat. Yes.

59:32SPEAKERSo to back up a little bit, this seems to be an extremely regional Southern

59:37SPEAKERthing to call that. My mom's English and she called it a toboggan.

59:42SPEAKERReally? Yeah. She could have picked it. She lived in the South for 20 years

59:45SPEAKERbefore I was born. Do you think, I wonder if it's maybe some kind of like

59:48SPEAKERScott's Irish descended sort of cultural quirk or something, maybe? I don't know.

59:52SPEAKERThere was a New York Times article about this kind of stuff for years. The

59:57SPEAKERthing where you type in what you call different things and then it tells you

1:00:00SPEAKERwhere you're from down to the county level. And I was like, "Oh shit."

1:00:03SPEAKERYes. In the Southeastern part of the United States, that kind of hat is

1:00:08SPEAKERcommonly referred to as a toboggan. The language is in flux.

1:00:12SPEAKERLiterally all I ever heard it referred to as for the first 20-ish years of my

1:00:16SPEAKERlife. I reckon if you called it a toque when I was a kid, you would have

1:00:19SPEAKERgotten the shit beaten out of you. Yes, that would not have gone well for

1:00:22SPEAKERyou. Or a beanie for that matter. A beanie, as I understood it, a beanie

1:00:27SPEAKERhas a propeller on it. A propeller on the top. Yeah, exactly.

1:00:30SPEAKERA beanie, if it doesn't have a propeller, it's not a beanie. That was my

1:00:32SPEAKERunderstanding as a child. A beanie is what you wear if you are

1:00:36SPEAKERpledging a fraternity in the '60s is my understanding.

1:00:40SPEAKERYes. There you go. I also frequently think back to the classic Calvin and

1:00:47SPEAKERHobbes storyline in which he saved and saved and saved cereal box tops or

1:00:51SPEAKERwhatever it was to get the beanie in the mail because it had a propeller on

1:00:55SPEAKERit because he was convinced that it would let him fly.

1:00:59SPEAKERI mean, it worked, right? That it didn't. It was a harsh lesson.

1:01:03SPEAKERA harsh lesson was learned. I've never written on the kind of sled

1:01:08SPEAKERthat was described by John as a toboggan. I don't think I have either.

1:01:12SPEAKERWe only had enough snow maybe twice in my childhood to use the kind of

1:01:15SPEAKERsled that has runners instead of a big plastic sheet.

1:01:19SPEAKERSnow was a very infrequent magical occurrence in that part of the world.

1:01:23SPEAKERWe would have- A couple of historic blizzards in my

1:01:28SPEAKERchildhood timeframe, but not like... The foot plus of snow was maybe once

1:01:33SPEAKERtwice a winter or something like that. Yeah, it was a special... It was exciting.

1:01:38SPEAKERIt was a snow day. We built an igloo once.

1:01:42SPEAKERWow. That's impressive.

1:01:44SPEAKERDad hooked the yard box up to the tractor and just dragged about a half an

1:01:48SPEAKERacre worth of snow into one big pile. Then we all stomped it down and hollowed

1:01:53SPEAKERit out. It stayed up for a long time. It was like having a clubhouse in the

1:01:57SPEAKERfront yard. It was awesome. Really muddy inside, it turned out after a while.

1:02:02SPEAKERYeah, that part of the world, that part of the country, snow was infrequent

1:02:07SPEAKERenough that when it happened, it was both exciting and the municipal

1:02:12SPEAKERinfrastructure was so inequipped to handle it that everything shut down.

1:02:17SPEAKERNo school, no driving anywhere, no nothing if there was six inches of

1:02:20SPEAKERsnow on the ground because nobody could deal with it.

1:02:22SPEAKERHold on, did one of your parents have the instinct that as soon as it stopped

1:02:27SPEAKERsnowing, they were like, "I got to go out and see how bad it is," and then

1:02:30SPEAKERget in the car? Because that was my dad's move every time.

1:02:33SPEAKEROh, wow. No, not quite. That's some real... That's some real Clark

1:02:38SPEAKERGriswold Christmas story, can't hanker his old dad type shit.

1:02:42SPEAKERIt was some real dad vibes. We would load up in the car, just me and him

1:02:47SPEAKERusually in the four-wheel drive, the farm pickup truck, the one that was mostly...

1:02:51SPEAKERWe did not have farm use tags on it, but we could have, and we would pop it

1:02:56SPEAKERinto four-wheel and go out and drive around and see how bad the roads were

1:02:59SPEAKERafter he saw the Palau go by the first time, and only had to pull it out of

1:03:04SPEAKERthe ditch once, so that was pretty good.

1:03:06SPEAKEROkay, that's a good track record.

1:03:07SPEAKERYeah, that's okay.

1:03:08SPEAKERYeah, yes.

1:03:10SPEAKERI think that's a lot of emails. We got through almost everybody this week.

1:03:14SPEAKERThat's true. This task has really proved its worth.

1:03:16SPEAKERI know.

1:03:17SPEAKERI'm pretty excited about this new paradigm. Is this paradigm shift?

1:03:22SPEAKERI feel like something's shifted.

1:03:24SPEAKERCould we have a TED Talk about how this has changed our lives?

1:03:28SPEAKERI would like to talk about a tertiary product attached to Google Mail that has changed my life.

1:03:34SPEAKERActually, you can.

1:03:35SPEAKERI feel like they're going to reject that one. I don't know.

1:03:37SPEAKERWell, also, you can't do a TED Talk about a Gmail feature,

1:03:39SPEAKERbecause it will cease to exist in six months.

1:03:43SPEAKEROh, no. We just started using this. They can't take it away.

1:03:46SPEAKERThat's exactly how they get you.

1:03:48SPEAKERDon't inbox us, bro.

1:03:49SPEAKERWhat is that? God, there is a website.

1:03:52SPEAKERYou know the whole sub-genre of websites that is just a pithy domain?

1:03:57SPEAKERLike in single-use websites?

1:03:58SPEAKERHas so-and-so happened yet, and it's just a big fat yes or no kind of thing?

1:04:02SPEAKERYeah, it's Trump's new president.

1:04:03SPEAKERYeah, stuff like that. There's one of those for Google products that have been killed off,

1:04:07SPEAKERand I can't remember what it is. It's going to kill me if I can think of it.

1:04:10SPEAKEROh, man.

1:04:11SPEAKERProducts that have been killed off. Let's see if I can find it.

1:04:17SPEAKERIt's totally like a, I don't know, it's like a has Google killed it yet type site or something.

1:04:24SPEAKERI can't remember what the name is. It's going to kill me. Somebody will send it in.

1:04:27SPEAKERYeah, we'll get it. If you have the answer to that question or have

1:04:32SPEAKERquestions you would like to have turned into answers, you can email them to techpod@content.town.

1:04:36SPEAKERWe'll be back next week with another episode of the show.

1:04:41SPEAKEROh, we got to thank Patreons. Holy crap, I'm remiss.

1:04:45SPEAKERWe wouldn't be here without them.

1:04:46SPEAKERI know. Wow. I'm off this week. So as always, if you would like to contribute to the tech pod,

1:04:54SPEAKERyou can by going to patreon.com/techpod. For two bucks a month, you can get access to the fabulous

1:05:01SPEAKERtech pod discord, which is full of wonderful, wonderful nerds who talk about all sorts of

1:05:05SPEAKERinteresting things we're doing. I don't want to say who it is, but this month we have a,

1:05:09SPEAKERwe're doing a new thing for the patron exclusive episode where we're interviewing a noteworthy

1:05:17SPEAKERpatron, I think is probably a safe way to say what they do. Someone in a very interesting line of

1:05:21SPEAKERwork. Yeah. We can't say what they do, but if you're in the discord, you can look around and

1:05:28SPEAKERthere's a pinned topic. So yeah. I'm very excited about that conversation.

1:05:33SPEAKERMe too. We're doing it tomorrow. So as always, I want to make sure we thank

1:05:37SPEAKERour executive producer level patrons, Jacob Chappell, Andrew Cotton, David Allum, and James

1:05:43SPEAKERKamik. Thank you all so much for supporting the show and thanks everyone who supports the Patreon,

1:05:48SPEAKERwhether you're at the $2 tier or whatever, we appreciate it. And if you don't, if you can't

1:05:54SPEAKERsupport the Patreon, we get it. We understand it's a weird time right now. So, you know, tell

1:06:00SPEAKERyour friends about the show. Tell your nerd peeps. Yeah. Thank you to everybody who supports us and

1:06:04SPEAKEReverybody who listens. It remains gratifying and baffling that anyone would, but thank you so much.

1:06:13SPEAKERWe say this a lot, but I love getting up in the morning and ducking into one of the two main

1:06:22SPEAKERchannels. There's two main channels in the discord that get a lot of traffic. And then there's a

1:06:26SPEAKERbunch of sub channels that also get a lot of traffic now. But general in this week's episode,

1:06:32SPEAKERthere's always a good conversation happening. And one of those people this morning were like,

1:06:35SPEAKERI, I get up and I feel like I spend the morning reading the, you know, the, the catching up on

1:06:41SPEAKERthe discord. And so everybody else was like, Oh no, don't do that. Just dip in. It's imagine like,

1:06:46SPEAKERthere's a good conversation happening at the end of your hallway and you can just duck in anytime

1:06:49SPEAKERyou want to learn something interesting or weird. And it's all in there. I was talking about Ted

1:06:55SPEAKERLasso in movies and television this week. Ted Lasso is pretty good, Brad. Yeah. He's a mustache.

1:07:01SPEAKERI don't know who or what that is, but. Oh, Ted Lasso is a TV show. It's about a

1:07:05SPEAKERAmerican football coach who goes to the UK to catch, to coach a English football team.

1:07:12SPEAKERSorry. I don't have time to keep up with your TV and pop culture. I'm too busy over here reading

1:07:17SPEAKERone of the physicists on our discord talking about the propagation of light through fiber.

1:07:26SPEAKERIf you're multiplexing different wavelengths to increase bandwidth and throughput dispersion

1:07:30SPEAKERbecomes more and more of a problem. That's one of the takeaways from that conversation.

1:07:35SPEAKERThere you go. I mean, I love that there are people who have actual physics

1:07:39SPEAKERbackgrounds talking about how fiber works in a mathematical sense.

1:07:45SPEAKERThere was a conversation the other day about the difference between the relationship between

1:07:49SPEAKERfrequency and bandwidth on a channel and how like VHF and UHF TV channels had different bandwidth

1:07:58SPEAKERslices allocated to them. I have to look that up. That sounds like it came out of the 5G episode,

1:08:04SPEAKERas did this fiber conversation, actually. It did. It did.

1:08:07SPEAKERThe way this fiber thing started was people talking about the speed of light through

1:08:11SPEAKERmaterials because, you know, the speed of light is actually only the speed of light in a vacuum.

1:08:15SPEAKERYeah. It's a lot slower in water. That's why water refracts.

1:08:18SPEAKERTotally. So they were actually getting into like very quantitative breakdowns of how different

1:08:22SPEAKERmaterials affect the speed of light, which is pretty awesome. And that's how the fiber thing

1:08:28SPEAKERstarted. Well, whoever explained the VHF, UHF thing explained it in like using, it turns out

1:08:33SPEAKERusing concrete real world examples of things makes them much easier to understand than making them

1:08:37SPEAKERtheoretical. So, you know, I just knew that the chalk on the old manual TV we had when I was a

1:08:43SPEAKERkid was rotating through 10 megahertz of spectrum. That classic chunk.

1:08:51SPEAKERImagine if your TV had like a smooth dial so you could dial that in perfectly rather than...

1:08:58SPEAKEROh, like a radio?

1:08:59SPEAKERYeah, like a radio. Why did it not have that? I guess it had chunks because it was like

1:09:04SPEAKERhoning in once you got... I don't know.

1:09:06SPEAKERI guess so.

1:09:08SPEAKERRadio engineers let us know next week.

1:09:09SPEAKERYeah. We should find one. Get them on here.

1:09:12SPEAKERYeah. Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll be back next week with more TechPod.

1:09:14SPEAKERHave a wonderful holiday season. Stay safe and, you know, wear a mask out there, folks.

1:09:21SPEAKERWe'll see you all next week.