49: Proto-Prepping

00:00SPEAKER- It's hot in here.

00:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:01SPEAKER- It's really hot in here.

00:03SPEAKERI had to turn off three fans, two.

00:06SPEAKERNope, actually I left one of them on.

00:07SPEAKERIt's still on.

00:08SPEAKERYou think it's picking up?

00:09SPEAKERDo I have to get up and turn off this fan

00:11SPEAKERor can we just keep going?

00:11SPEAKER- I don't hear it, but I couldn't tell you

00:14SPEAKER'cause the call software will filter out your fan noise.

00:18SPEAKER- I've zoomed as far into the wave form in Audacity

00:21SPEAKERas I possibly can. - I think you should

00:22SPEAKERturn it off.

00:24SPEAKERIt's so hot in here though.

00:26SPEAKERI'm gonna make you fix the audio file if it's fucked up.

00:28SPEAKERIt's 80 degrees in this house.

00:30SPEAKEROkay, well you have to keep talking

00:31SPEAKERwhile I go turn off this fan.

00:32SPEAKER- Okay, the nice thing about living a mile from the beach

00:35SPEAKERis that even though the humidity

00:39SPEAKERis very, very high all the time,

00:41SPEAKERsometimes the fog comes and it was like 55 degrees

00:47SPEAKERand really foggy last night.

00:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:50SPEAKER- So I opened up the windows

00:51SPEAKER'cause the fog pulls all the particulate out of the air.

00:53SPEAKER- Oh man, I didn't think about that.

00:54SPEAKERYeah, that's pretty handy right now.

00:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the best.

00:58SPEAKERIt's like a air filter for the world basically.

01:02SPEAKERThe bad news is it distributes the parking particulate

01:05SPEAKERevenly over fucking everything.

01:07SPEAKERWalls, cars, the ground, windows,

01:11SPEAKERlike there's little dots of soot everywhere

01:13SPEAKERwhen you go outside right now I'm sure, but 60 degrees.

01:16SPEAKER- Pretty profound the world is F moment this week

01:18SPEAKERwhen we had all the windows open because of the heat wave.

01:21SPEAKER- Yeah. - And at some point

01:23SPEAKERI walked around the house and realized

01:25SPEAKERthat there was a layer of ash accumulating on everything.

01:29SPEAKERI've been slowly cleaning that up for the last two days.

01:31SPEAKER- So we did backyard camping

01:33SPEAKER'cause my daughter likes to camp.

01:35SPEAKERWe usually go camping right before school starts.

01:36SPEAKERSchool started this week

01:38SPEAKERand we weren't able to do it this year 'cause of the Rona.

01:40SPEAKERSo we did a backyard camp set up

01:42SPEAKERand we were out there Saturday night

01:44SPEAKERand the lightning started at about three o'clock

01:46SPEAKERin the morning and I was like, well, we're going in.

01:49SPEAKERI'm not gonna be in the backyard when the lightning starts

01:50SPEAKERand about the time we got in,

01:52SPEAKERthe wind gusted up to 60 or 70 miles an hour

01:54SPEAKERand the tent did one of those things,

01:58SPEAKERwhich like impressively stayed up.

02:01SPEAKERI was like, okay, we can go out

02:03SPEAKERand have a real storm in this tent.

02:04SPEAKERThis is like going to REI was a good move, it turns out.

02:06SPEAKER- Yeah, good road test for your tent.

02:08SPEAKER- Yeah, she wasn't impressed with that

02:11SPEAKERand she did not like the lightning

02:12SPEAKER'cause it's maybe the second time she's seen lightning

02:14SPEAKERin her seven and a half year life.

02:15SPEAKER- People out here really don't like lightning, it turns out.

02:19SPEAKERI've found like, I mean, you and I both grew up with it.

02:21SPEAKERYou know, like in the South, like I don't know

02:24SPEAKERif people don't know this that haven't lived in the South,

02:25SPEAKERbut like there are stretches of the summer

02:27SPEAKERwhere you have a thunderstorm like literally every afternoon.

02:30SPEAKER- Every afternoon, yeah.

02:31SPEAKER- It's like clockwork and then out here,

02:33SPEAKERlike we have lightning for, you know,

02:34SPEAKERyou have lightning maybe every three or four years

02:36SPEAKERor something and people are terrified by it.

02:39SPEAKER- I mean, look, when you're among the primitive spread,

02:41SPEAKERthen you have to know that they're gonna have

02:44SPEAKERdifferent feelings about the sky opening.

02:48SPEAKER- Are you saying we're gonna have to bring

02:49SPEAKERthese people civilization?

02:50SPEAKER- I mean, we're gonna have to explain

02:51SPEAKERwhat weather is to them is the problem.

02:54SPEAKERBut anyway.

02:56SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been a week, man.

02:58SPEAKERI apologize because I know some people turn to things

03:01SPEAKERlike podcasts for kind of an uplifting escape

03:04SPEAKERfrom the world rather than to be reminded

03:06SPEAKERabout everything that's going wrong.

03:07SPEAKERBut I saw a tweet last night

03:09SPEAKERthat just summed it up so succinctly.

03:11SPEAKER- Okay.

03:11SPEAKER- It was essentially, I'm paraphrasing here,

03:13SPEAKERbut it was basically like we're trapped inside

03:15SPEAKERbecause of a pandemic, we're baking in our houses

03:18SPEAKERbecause of a heat wave.

03:19SPEAKER- Yeah, check.

03:20SPEAKER- We don't have air conditioning

03:23SPEAKERbecause there's no market incentive to provide it to people.

03:26SPEAKERAnd we can't open the windows

03:28SPEAKERbecause the air is poison outside.

03:31SPEAKER- Yup.

03:31SPEAKER- We're kind of getting it from every angle right now.

03:35SPEAKER- So I've got one more because the fires

03:38SPEAKERsouth of San Francisco down the peninsula

03:40SPEAKERbetween San Francisco and Santa Cruz,

03:42SPEAKERbetween Half Moon Bay and Santa Cruz are close enough

03:46SPEAKERthat we've started thinking about what happens

03:49SPEAKERif we have to leave.

03:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:51SPEAKER(laughing)

03:52SPEAKER- Should we just start the show?

03:53SPEAKER- Oh, we're getting there.

03:55SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:19SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:23SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot."

04:25SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:26SPEAKER- I'm Brad, welcome to a cheery episode.

04:28SPEAKER- Hey, Brad.

04:29SPEAKER- Hi.

04:30SPEAKER- Look, in fire season,

04:30SPEAKERwe do uplifting episodes of the show apparently.

04:33SPEAKER- We should chat.

04:34SPEAKERWhen did we do our disaster episode last year?

04:35SPEAKERWas it around this time?

04:36SPEAKER- It was like the sixth episode.

04:37SPEAKERSo it was maybe, it was later.

04:39SPEAKERFire season started later last year

04:41SPEAKER'cause school was already going.

04:42SPEAKER- It's like clockwork, yeah.

04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's shocking.

04:46SPEAKERBut yeah, like I saw, it was funny.

04:48SPEAKERJane McGonigal tweeted last night that she was like,

04:52SPEAKERI don't know if I can do this every year in San Francisco.

04:54SPEAKERThis is traumatizing.

04:55SPEAKEREven if you're, like I have a friend,

04:58SPEAKERI have a friend who lives in Sonoma now

05:00SPEAKERwhose farm, whose house burned to the ground

05:04SPEAKERin the Santa Rosa fires three or four years ago

05:07SPEAKERand they had to evacuate two days ago and-

05:10SPEAKER- Oh my God, I can't even like,

05:11SPEAKERit's bad enough for the second time.

05:13SPEAKERIt's bad enough for people like us

05:14SPEAKERwho were basically just dealing with bad air quality

05:16SPEAKERand heat for the whole course.

05:17SPEAKERI mean, you've got pressing concerns

05:19SPEAKERas the fire moves northward, obviously,

05:20SPEAKERbut like to actually lose your house

05:23SPEAKERand then go through another evacuation after that,

05:25SPEAKERlike I would be out of here.

05:27SPEAKER- I can't even imagine.

05:30SPEAKERBut I mean, that's the thing is I think,

05:32SPEAKERI think we're getting to the point that like,

05:34SPEAKERif everybody's working at home

05:36SPEAKERand we're gonna be trapped inside the house

05:40SPEAKERfor at least another nine months

05:41SPEAKERbecause of Rona and maybe more than that,

05:45SPEAKERwhy am I paying a buttload of money

05:48SPEAKERto live in a 1,000 square foot house in the Bay Area

05:51SPEAKERwhen I can't do any of the nice outside Bay Area things

05:54SPEAKERand like we deal with fires and horrible air

05:57SPEAKERfor two months every fall and rolling power outages

06:00SPEAKERand like the California dream, man,

06:03SPEAKERit's not what it used to be.

06:05SPEAKER- It's not the '60s anymore, that's for sure.

06:07SPEAKER- No, now I just am looking forward

06:08SPEAKERto having like reliable electricity and...

06:13SPEAKER- Well, so one of the things that's been fun about,

06:16SPEAKERI say fun, I air quote fun about this whole 2020 experience

06:22SPEAKERis learning that like the gap between me

06:28SPEAKERand crazy prepper people, maybe less far than I thought.

06:31SPEAKER- Narrowing year by year.

06:33SPEAKERI mean, that was that episode last year, right?

06:35SPEAKERIt was like proto prepping.

06:36SPEAKER- Yeah, really, well, it's one of those things,

06:40SPEAKERit's one of those things that like I don't,

06:43SPEAKERlike I was looking at solar stuff the other day.

06:45SPEAKERSo I was like, it'd be nice if we had solar,

06:47SPEAKERif the power goes out again, if we had solar,

06:49SPEAKERso we could at least get a few hours of like electricity

06:52SPEAKERa day and have a battery wall and all that stuff

06:54SPEAKERso that we can just disconnect from the grid

06:56SPEAKERwhen the power goes out and then reconnect

06:58SPEAKERwhen it comes back on and it's not, it's expensive,

07:02SPEAKERbut it's not, when you advertise it out over 20 years,

07:05SPEAKERit's a pretty reasonable purchase, right?

07:08SPEAKERIt's like, you're not doing anything crazy.

07:11SPEAKER- Also, it's not, it ceases being a purely economical

07:15SPEAKERconcern when you add like a matter of survival

07:18SPEAKERinto the equation, you know what I mean?

07:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

07:20SPEAKER- It's like people talk about, should I get solar

07:24SPEAKERagainst the cost of just staying on the grid?

07:26SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

07:26SPEAKERLike, it's like, am I actually, how long is it,

07:28SPEAKERhow many years is it gonna take to save money off of this?

07:30SPEAKERIt's gonna be 12 years before this is paid for

07:31SPEAKERand I actually started saving money

07:33SPEAKERand nobody wants to do that.

07:34SPEAKERBut when you factor in a situation like this

07:37SPEAKERthat is now occurring on a basically annual basis,

07:41SPEAKERsuddenly like it's more of an investment in you

07:43SPEAKERand your family's like sanity and survival

07:46SPEAKERthan it is like purely a fiscal thing.

07:49SPEAKER- Well, and if like, yeah, it makes it,

07:52SPEAKERit's funny though, through the light of what to do

07:56SPEAKERin case of disaster, your decisions about like,

08:01SPEAKERif you wanna remodel a house, if I had to,

08:03SPEAKERif I was remodeling the house now,

08:04SPEAKERI think I would probably, you know,

08:06SPEAKERbuild a fucking brutalist concrete nightmare

08:09SPEAKERthat's impervious to fire.

08:10SPEAKER- Also maybe a moat.

08:12SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, a moat seems like a good idea, Brad.

08:15SPEAKERI don't know, man, I, so yeah,

08:19SPEAKERlike the TLDR is that we're not in the anywhere,

08:22SPEAKERwe're not in any danger of evacuation right now, but--

08:26SPEAKER- You personally, you mean your family where you are?

08:27SPEAKER- My family personally, but we are 15 miles

08:31SPEAKERfrom the evacuation zone.

08:33SPEAKER- I know people up north who are basically also

08:36SPEAKERin the same situation as you of,

08:38SPEAKERwe're not being told to leave yet, but it's getting worse

08:41SPEAKERand it might happen in another day or two.

08:42SPEAKERLike it's, it feels like it's happening

08:45SPEAKERon all sides this year.

08:47SPEAKERLike every year it's somewhere, like a couple of years ago,

08:51SPEAKERit was the North Bay, sometimes it's the East Bay,

08:53SPEAKERbut this year it is the North Bay,

08:54SPEAKERthe East Bay, the South Bay, it is everywhere.

08:57SPEAKER- Well, it's because of that lightning storm actually.

08:59SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah, I know.

09:00SPEAKER- So yeah, the lightning,

09:01SPEAKERwe don't normally have thunderstorms this time of year

09:04SPEAKERand like, this is another one of those unpredicted

09:08SPEAKERside effects of climate change, right?

09:10SPEAKERSo we thought, last year we did the disaster preparedness

09:14SPEAKERkit, I thought maybe this year we thought we should do

09:17SPEAKERlike what to take if you have to evacuate,

09:19SPEAKER'cause there are a lot of natural disasters

09:20SPEAKERyou have to evacuate.

09:21SPEAKER- I feel like we should mention real quick,

09:25SPEAKERup to about 45 minutes ago, we were planning on doing

09:28SPEAKERsomething with like the history of video game controllers,

09:31SPEAKERsort of digging into the mechanisms and mechanics of-

09:36SPEAKER- It turns out there's buttons.

09:37SPEAKER- Spitballing about. - It's simple, yeah.

09:39SPEAKER- But it was just, it's hard to think about that right now,

09:42SPEAKERthere's a lot more pressing concerns on our minds,

09:45SPEAKERso we pivoted to this.

09:48SPEAKER- Something uplifting, but before we get into that,

09:55SPEAKERcan I ask a streaming question for you?

09:57SPEAKER'Cause you've been doing this and it's been hot there.

09:58SPEAKER- Sure.

10:01SPEAKER- How hot does it get in your room when you shut the door

10:03SPEAKERand you're playing games and you're streaming a video game?

10:05SPEAKER- That's what I wanted to talk about first.

10:08SPEAKER- Have you ever heard the metaphor about boiling a frog?

10:10SPEAKER- Yes, I certainly have. - Do you put them in the pot

10:12SPEAKERand they don't realize that it's hot until they're cooked?

10:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I can absolutely attest that is a thing that-

10:19SPEAKER- You've boiled frogs?

10:20SPEAKER- Oh, let's not talk about our extracurricular activities

10:23SPEAKERhere, please, I thought we promised,

10:27SPEAKERI thought we promised to save them,

10:28SPEAKERI thought that was gonna be an us thing.

10:31SPEAKER- It's good, sign up for our OnlyFans.

10:33SPEAKER- No, seriously, it happens kind of regularly for me.

10:37SPEAKERYou stream for two, three hours and you just get into,

10:41SPEAKERyou kind of lock in, you're just focusing

10:43SPEAKERon what you're doing and trying to be entertaining

10:45SPEAKERor checking your stream quality.

10:47SPEAKERThere's a lot of stuff to distract you, right?

10:48SPEAKERAnd it's only at the moment you click stop

10:52SPEAKERthat you realize I'm glued to this chair.

10:55SPEAKERI am just a disgusting, grimy mess, it feels like a sauna

10:59SPEAKERin here and that happens quite a bit.

11:01SPEAKERSo yeah, since we're in the situation where

11:03SPEAKERwe don't have air conditioning, I don't know about you guys,

11:05SPEAKERwe don't even have ceiling fans in this house,

11:07SPEAKERwe've only got what we- - Ceiling.

11:09SPEAKERYeah, but we have a central furnace so we can turn on

11:13SPEAKERthe whole house fan. - Okay, that helps.

11:15SPEAKER- To circulate air through the house,

11:16SPEAKERbut it doesn't help that much.

11:20SPEAKER- But yeah, there's just no good airflow.

11:23SPEAKERThe irony is it's very pleasant outside right now, actually.

11:26SPEAKERIt's nice and cool and breezy.

11:28SPEAKERIf we could open the windows,

11:29SPEAKERthis would totally not be a problem, but we can't.

11:31SPEAKER- You have windows on both sides, right?

11:32SPEAKER- Yes, this one in the office that I'm in

11:35SPEAKERfaces the kind of fire escape stairwell enclosure.

11:40SPEAKERThere's not a ton of airflow out there, but there's enough.

11:43SPEAKERWe do get a good cross breeze if we open all the windows.

11:46SPEAKER- I was gonna say, do you have one of those fans

11:48SPEAKERthat you mount in the windows and blocks all the gaps

11:50SPEAKERand then- - Like a proper exhaust fan?

11:53SPEAKER- Like a proper exhaust fan that'll pull air through.

11:55SPEAKER- I hadn't thought about that.

11:56SPEAKER- So we have one of those and that thing works wonders.

12:00SPEAKER- I bet.

12:02SPEAKER- If you open one window and then open the window

12:04SPEAKERthat that's on and set that thing to suck,

12:06SPEAKERit'll pull a pretty good, cool stream through the house.

12:13SPEAKER- We're so close to the water

12:14SPEAKERthat we get a good ocean breeze most of the time.

12:16SPEAKERSo there's some airflow anyway,

12:18SPEAKERbut I've been wondering about that

12:21SPEAKERfrom just like a basic thermodynamic standpoint,

12:25SPEAKERlike enclosed space, like certain volume of air to fill.

12:29SPEAKERAnd then I'm looking at like,

12:30SPEAKERokay, I've got a windows machine here.

12:33SPEAKERThere's a NASA in the corner.

12:35SPEAKEROkay, now I'm playing a game.

12:36SPEAKERSo like the GPU is probably pumping out more heat

12:38SPEAKERthan usual, you know what I mean?

12:40SPEAKERLike we, you and I both have plasma TVs

12:42SPEAKERand those put out a lot more heat than more modern stuff.

12:45SPEAKERLike I'm basically looking around

12:46SPEAKERlike itemizing my tech life in here

12:48SPEAKERand trying to figure out how much heat

12:49SPEAKEReach one of these things is putting out.

12:51SPEAKERLike how many Watts each one produces.

12:52SPEAKER- It's not an insubstantial amount, right?

12:55SPEAKERLike that is absolutely contributing

12:56SPEAKERto the heat in here, right?

12:57SPEAKER- Yeah, so I have, when I stream at night,

13:01SPEAKERI have to shut the door

13:02SPEAKER'cause I have a sleeping child like 10 feet from me.

13:05SPEAKERSo it's the gaming PC, the streaming PC,

13:09SPEAKERlike neither the gaming PC runs at full speed

13:11SPEAKER'cause I often like run with V-Sync off

13:13SPEAKERand will run as fast as it'll run.

13:15SPEAKERBut like the streaming PC is usually a pretty low load.

13:18SPEAKERIt's like 10, 15% CPU 'cause it's a hexa core

13:21SPEAKERwith a decent GPU.

13:22SPEAKERSo like those are both ticking over a little bit,

13:25SPEAKERbut it's not, you know, it's not,

13:28SPEAKERit still generates a shitload of heat.

13:30SPEAKERSo when I leave the room, it's often 90 or 95 in here.

13:33SPEAKER- Oh my God.

13:35SPEAKER- And I go out and it's like we have air conditioning

13:37SPEAKER'cause I step out of the door and I'm like,

13:38SPEAKERoh God, all the sweat just instantly dries off of me

13:42SPEAKER'cause the temperature change.

13:43SPEAKER- The differential is so nice.

13:45SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, but like, so there's some solutions.

13:51SPEAKERUnfortunately, we don't have a good place

13:52SPEAKERto dangle a window air conditioner

13:54SPEAKER'cause like the window for my office would block,

13:56SPEAKERif I put one out the window there,

13:57SPEAKERit would block the entrance to the house,

14:00SPEAKERwhich I mean, I guess right now

14:01SPEAKERprobably doesn't make that much of a difference.

14:03SPEAKER- It's not that big a deal.

14:05SPEAKERWouldn't that be,

14:06SPEAKERthat would probably be too loud to stream with though, right?

14:09SPEAKER- You know, it's funny, I can run with one

14:10SPEAKERof those window fans in behind the green screen

14:13SPEAKERand it doesn't come across with the mic,

14:16SPEAKER'cause I use the closeup boom mic

14:19SPEAKERrather than like the big podcast mic

14:21SPEAKERthat I'm using right now for streaming stuff.

14:24SPEAKERIt just has to check to make sure

14:25SPEAKERI was using the big podcast mic.

14:27SPEAKERBut yeah, it's not great.

14:31SPEAKERLike that ends my streams.

14:32SPEAKERLike the temperature, when it gets too hot in here,

14:34SPEAKERthat usually ends the streams

14:35SPEAKER'cause you don't realize that it's getting hot

14:38SPEAKERuntil like it's 85 and somebody comes in and is like,

14:41SPEAKERhey, I think the white balance on your camera's wrong.

14:44SPEAKERAnd it's just that you didn't refill your drink

14:47SPEAKERrecently enough so you haven't been drinking water

14:48SPEAKERfor the last hour and your face is starting to get red.

14:51SPEAKERIt's not great.

14:53SPEAKER- So do you think, not that I thought-

14:55SPEAKER- How'd you get heatstroke, Will?

14:57SPEAKERYou know, I was really into flight sim

14:59SPEAKERand that thing really hits the GPU.

15:02SPEAKERSo God, hot in here fast as hell.

15:04SPEAKER- You were just flicking off those sick headshots

15:06SPEAKERso fast that you-

15:07SPEAKER- Like, man, I can-

15:08SPEAKER- Overheat.

15:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:11SPEAKER- Yeah, not to make the whole episode about this,

15:12SPEAKERwe can move on, but like, do you think the sum total

15:15SPEAKERof all these types of common devices, computing devices,

15:18SPEAKERwould equal like what, like a small space heater or something?

15:21SPEAKERLike what do you think the heat output is?

15:24SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's easy.

15:25SPEAKERYou know what the heat intake is

15:27SPEAKERand you know that most of it is converted to energy.

15:29SPEAKER- So is that the conversion actually?

15:31SPEAKERI was gonna say like, 'cause you know what the input is,

15:33SPEAKERbut I don't know how much comes out as heat versus,

15:35SPEAKERbut is it just about all of it?

15:37SPEAKER- I think all of it comes out as heat, right?

15:39SPEAKER'Cause it's like you're, even when you successfully

15:42SPEAKERdo a computation, that turns into heat.

15:43SPEAKER- Oh, I guess you're right, 'cause it's not like

15:45SPEAKERit's being funneled into like a mechanical action

15:49SPEAKERor something, right?

15:50SPEAKERThere's no one else for it to go or nothing, no other-

15:52SPEAKER- There's fans and hard drives.

15:53SPEAKER- Sure, well, I mean, there's nothing else for it

15:55SPEAKERto manifest as in terms of other types of energy, right?

15:58SPEAKER- No, so the thing I thought about doing,

16:01SPEAKERI thought about building a closed loop water cooler

16:03SPEAKERwith a radiator on the top,

16:05SPEAKER'cause I have a crawl space under my office and it,

16:10SPEAKERthe crawl space vents outside and there's a little fan

16:11SPEAKERunder there to blow air through so it doesn't get,

16:13SPEAKERso it doesn't get damp under there if it rains.

16:16SPEAKERAnd I was thinking about drilling a hole in the floor,

16:18SPEAKERtwo holes and putting some quick release cables

16:22SPEAKERwith a radiator under there and then having,

16:26SPEAKERlike basically I'd have to have two radiators, right?

16:28SPEAKERSo I'd have to have one radiator that's up here

16:30SPEAKERfor when I need to move the PC and not be near the basement.

16:34SPEAKERAnd then the other one would vent heat into the crawl space.

16:38SPEAKER- Oh, that's incredible.

16:39SPEAKERI bet it's pretty cool under there.

16:41SPEAKER- It is, it's always like 60 degrees, 65 degrees, 75 degrees.

16:44SPEAKER- That's amazing.

16:45SPEAKER- But like, I also know that if we add,

16:49SPEAKERif I make it warm under there, it's gonna amount,

16:51SPEAKERit's gonna increase the amount of water that can hold

16:53SPEAKERunder that area in the air.

16:56SPEAKER- There's a lot of variables here.

16:57SPEAKER- And I don't wanna like create condensation problems

16:59SPEAKERin my crawl space 'cause that seems

17:00SPEAKERlike it would be real bad.

17:02SPEAKERSo I've kind of held off.

17:04SPEAKER- Sure.

17:05SPEAKER- Are there, what did you call them?

17:07SPEAKERQuick release?

17:08SPEAKERLike are there connectors that are like leak proof enough

17:11SPEAKERthat you would trust something you can connect

17:12SPEAKERand disconnect on a regular basis?

17:14SPEAKER- Let's say yes.

17:16SPEAKER- Theoretically?

17:17SPEAKER- I have not used them, but I have been told there,

17:19SPEAKERI know that there are quick release cables

17:21SPEAKERfor specifically this perp,

17:22SPEAKERnot like not for being a dumb ass

17:23SPEAKERand piping your heat into the basement,

17:25SPEAKERbut like there are quick release cables

17:27SPEAKERfor this kind of piping that are-

17:28SPEAKER- Okay, I mean, I guess even outside the world

17:31SPEAKERof PC water cooling, just to like in the actual plumbing,

17:34SPEAKERthere must be some kind of gear

17:35SPEAKERthat serves that purpose, right?

17:37SPEAKER- Well, and they have to be real,

17:39SPEAKERlike the connections have to be fast and not bubbly

17:42SPEAKER'cause you don't wanna add a bunch of air

17:43SPEAKERto your water cooling loop, so yeah, anyway.

17:47SPEAKER- Yeah, leaks are always the thing

17:48SPEAKERthat have scared me off of water cooling.

17:50SPEAKERI mean, I've dabbled with it.

17:51SPEAKERI had a water cooling set up back at like 20 years ago.

17:55SPEAKER- Wow, really?

17:56SPEAKERThat was early.

17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, I was using a literal like small-

18:00SPEAKER- Aquarium pump?

18:01SPEAKER- Yeah, like an actual aquarium pump

18:03SPEAKERand like the radiator was about, I don't know-

18:07SPEAKER- 10, like 12, like 12 centimeters probably.

18:09SPEAKER- Something like that?

18:10SPEAKERLike where would that have come from?

18:11SPEAKERThat's not a car radiator, that's a-

18:13SPEAKER- No, you could buy PC radiators back then,

18:16SPEAKERbut it was-

18:17SPEAKER- It did not look like it was made for a PC-like purpose.

18:20SPEAKERI'm not sure where I got it from.

18:22SPEAKER- It could have been for like a fridge

18:23SPEAKERor a small compressor or a small air conditioner.

18:25SPEAKER- But that was absolutely before

18:27SPEAKERthere were all-in-one water cooling solutions

18:29SPEAKERand you had to just roll your own

18:30SPEAKERand I was on some forum.

18:31SPEAKERJust like, it was a bad idea.

18:34SPEAKER- I feel like the first time we did water cooling

18:37SPEAKERat Maximum PC was in like 2002 or 2003.

18:41SPEAKER- It was around that time.

18:42SPEAKER- It being a real novelty, but then like there was no,

18:45SPEAKERthere was one company that made parts basically

18:48SPEAKERat that point and it was some guys in Oregon maybe

18:51SPEAKERwho I think were like air conditioner guys, I don't know.

18:54SPEAKER- Right, like I was, you literally had to source

18:56SPEAKERall the parts from aquarium supply, like you said,

18:59SPEAKERlike plumbing stuff, like I went to the hardware store,

19:01SPEAKERlike you were literally ginning it all up yourself,

19:04SPEAKERexcept for the water block,

19:05SPEAKERobviously it was made for that purpose,

19:06SPEAKERbut that was like some boutique shop with machine tools,

19:10SPEAKERlike machining it themselves or whatever.

19:11SPEAKERIt was like very DIY.

19:14SPEAKER- Like those early blocks were just a big old slab of copper

19:18SPEAKERor whatever material with like water channels

19:22SPEAKERcut in the top and then they bolted a piece of plexiglass

19:24SPEAKERon top with a couple of pipe fittings on it.

19:26SPEAKER- Yep, to be clear, it worked, like I never had a leak

19:29SPEAKERor it never ruined any equipment,

19:30SPEAKERlike it did what it was supposed to do,

19:31SPEAKERbut like I got algae buildup in the pipes

19:33SPEAKERbecause nobody was talking about additives

19:35SPEAKERto prevent that sort of thing back then,

19:37SPEAKERand I had to cut a hole in my shitty old case

19:39SPEAKERto like run the piping out, yeah,

19:43SPEAKER'cause there was no combination for that stuff,

19:44SPEAKERso it was like a Frankenstein's monstrosity,

19:47SPEAKERlike it just wasn't worth the hassle, it was novel.

19:50SPEAKER- The one, I only did one custom loop

19:52SPEAKERand then switched all in ones,

19:54SPEAKER'cause they're so much easier,

19:56SPEAKERbut the custom loop I did was for a,

20:01SPEAKERI can't remember, it was like a pre-quad core,

20:04SPEAKERprobably one of the Pentiums with two distinct CPUs

20:08SPEAKERon the die, like our late Pentium 4s probably,

20:11SPEAKERand when I moved, it had an external radiator,

20:15SPEAKERI was so afraid when I moved that I would bump the cable

20:19SPEAKERand knock one of the fittings loose,

20:21SPEAKERthat I was like, I'm just gonna drain

20:22SPEAKERthe whole fucking thing,

20:24SPEAKERand then I'll refill it when I get there,

20:26SPEAKERand yeah, it was a huge pain in the ass.

20:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if the hassle is worth it these days,

20:32SPEAKERalso the biggest reason I would get water cooling

20:34SPEAKERis for the noise factor,

20:36SPEAKER'cause I just want my machine to be as quiet as possible,

20:38SPEAKERbut a lot of people say that a good air cooler

20:40SPEAKERis actually quieter these days.

20:42SPEAKER- Well, I think on the CPU side, that's absolutely the case,

20:44SPEAKERthere's some really, really quiet air coolers these days

20:48SPEAKERfor CPUs, the problem is the GPUs,

20:50SPEAKERwhen you hit your GPU hard, like when I run Flight Sim,

20:53SPEAKERor PUBG, or literally anything that hits the GPU,

20:58SPEAKERit sounds like a jet turbine,

20:59SPEAKERand it's like, so here's the other ridiculous idea

21:04SPEAKERI had for cooling the PC without warming up the room,

21:08SPEAKERwhat if I just get a five gallon bucket of water,

21:11SPEAKERand put a heat exchanger in there,

21:13SPEAKERwith the water loop through that,

21:15SPEAKERand then at the end of the night,

21:17SPEAKERI just dumped a bucket of water in the tub.

21:19SPEAKERIt's not the worst idea.

21:20SPEAKER- And get a fresh one for the next day.

21:23SPEAKERSo, 'cause the water will hold more heat

21:25SPEAKERthan the air in the room, so anyway.

21:28SPEAKER- Yeah, have GPUs gotten worse about that stuff?

21:31SPEAKERLike I've got a regular GTX 1080, a non-TI version,

21:35SPEAKERand it doesn't get that loud, and I just, I don't,

21:38SPEAKERyou know, I wonder if they've gotten a lot noisier.

21:42SPEAKER- It depends on the GPU,

21:44SPEAKERI know that there are some third-party coolers for the 2080s

21:47SPEAKERthat are quieter than the Founders Edition,

21:50SPEAKERwhich is what I have.

21:52SPEAKERYou can tweak the fan profiles,

21:54SPEAKERlike one of the things I do to make the noise less annoying

21:56SPEAKERis instead of having it, like I don't,

22:01SPEAKERlike by default, the fan curve on the 2080 TI founders

22:04SPEAKERwill spin up and spin down pretty dramatically,

22:07SPEAKERwhich is the thing that annoys me more than anything else.

22:10SPEAKERIf you set that to like bump up

22:13SPEAKERonce it crosses certain thresholds and not come back down,

22:16SPEAKERand set the, I can't remember,

22:18SPEAKERthere's a term that means it basically averages out

22:20SPEAKERover a longer period of time

22:22SPEAKERto decide if it's gonna spin up or down,

22:24SPEAKERthat helps a ton.

22:26SPEAKERThere's also some like, like I was looking at this NZXT,

22:29SPEAKERI'd be curious if anybody's used one of these,

22:31SPEAKERbut NZXT has this thing that basically is like a frame

22:35SPEAKERwith a fan that goes on and then holds a CPU

22:39SPEAKERall-in-one cooling block on the GPU.

22:41SPEAKER- Interesting.

22:42SPEAKER- And it's like 20 bucks,

22:44SPEAKERand I have a couple of spare all-in-ones

22:45SPEAKERthat I'm not, I have a spare all-in-one

22:47SPEAKERthat I'm not using that's compatible with it,

22:49SPEAKERand I've kind of thought about grabbing that,

22:50SPEAKERbut we're so close to the 3080s that I'm just like,

22:53SPEAKERI don't know if I want to invest any time or energy

22:55SPEAKERin making this work.

22:56SPEAKER- Might as well, you'll wait and see.

22:57SPEAKERHave you seen that there are,

22:58SPEAKERthere are three slot cooling solutions now for GPUs?

23:02SPEAKER- My 1080 TI is a three slot.

23:04SPEAKER- Really?

23:05SPEAKER- It's not, it is a like 2.5 slot,

23:08SPEAKERbut you can't put anything in the adjoining slots, yeah.

23:11SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's the other reason I wouldn't get water

23:14SPEAKERis that, you know, there,

23:17SPEAKERyou get an all-in-one system that's just for CPU,

23:19SPEAKERyou can probably be pretty sure that it's leak tested

23:21SPEAKERand like enclosed properly and all that stuff,

23:23SPEAKERbut there aren't really all-in-ones

23:25SPEAKERthat also incorporate a GPU, right?

23:27SPEAKERAnd I would absolutely want that,

23:28SPEAKERmeaning I would have to open it up and do a custom loop,

23:30SPEAKERand at that point, like I'm subject to my own errors

23:34SPEAKERand have to worry constantly about leaks,

23:36SPEAKERand it's just, the whole thing just doesn't seem worth it.

23:38SPEAKER- I'm, the late in a GPU generation,

23:43SPEAKERit definitely does not seem worth it.

23:45SPEAKEREarly in a GPU generation, maybe.

23:48SPEAKER- Maybe things will look very different in a couple of weeks.

23:51SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, so let's get to the topic at hand.

23:56SPEAKER- That's old enough about that.

23:57SPEAKER- That's the longest cold open we've ever done, I think.

24:02SPEAKERSo you have to leave your house.

24:04SPEAKER- Yeah, are we talking short notice?

24:07SPEAKER- I mean, I guess they're all short notice, right?

24:09SPEAKERI guess nobody really thinks they're going,

24:11SPEAKERnobody plans long-term for an evacuation, right?

24:14SPEAKERIf you have to evacuate, you have to do it soon.

24:16SPEAKER- You have, at most, I would think, a few days, right?

24:18SPEAKERSo, presumably, your paperwork is in order,

24:23SPEAKERyour main documents, your birth certificates,

24:25SPEAKERyour passports, your car titles, your house stuff,

24:30SPEAKERyour social security cards, your YubiKey,

24:34SPEAKERyour recovery codes for your password manager

24:38SPEAKERand your Dropbox and whatever, your Google account,

24:41SPEAKERall the stuff that you need to get back in

24:42SPEAKERif your phone gets destroyed are all in your fire safe,

24:49SPEAKERwhich is probably gonna come with you.

24:52SPEAKER- I don't have, I still don't have a fire safe.

24:54SPEAKER- You should get a fire safe.

24:55SPEAKER- I've been looking at them since the last time

24:56SPEAKERwe talked about them, which was, God, was that last fall.

25:00SPEAKER- I feel like we talked about it a few weeks ago.

25:02SPEAKER- Maybe, they're all sold out, like everything else,

25:04SPEAKERthey're all sold out now, like the prices are jacked up

25:07SPEAKERon Amazon, they're not easy to come by.

25:12SPEAKER- I mean, just to be clear, part of this is I'm doing this

25:17SPEAKERso that we can talk through it and I don't forget anything.

25:19SPEAKER- Sure.

25:21SPEAKER- But yeah, I think, like I'm trying to like,

25:25SPEAKERmarriage certificates and then also like,

25:30SPEAKERI have in there like stuff of real sentimental value,

25:34SPEAKERlike a drawing that my daughter did for me in kindergarten

25:38SPEAKERthat I love and a thing that my grandmother,

25:43SPEAKERthat my mom got me from my grandmother's house

25:45SPEAKERwhen she passed and stuff like that.

25:47SPEAKER- Sure, gosh, I mean, if you're starting to incorporate

25:50SPEAKERsentimental objects, this could get tough for me

25:52SPEAKER'cause they're kind of spread all over the house,

25:54SPEAKERlike they're not, they're not categorized in a way

25:57SPEAKERthat I could grab them all and just run.

25:59SPEAKER- Well, so that's like, that's part of the process, right?

26:02SPEAKERAs you walk around, well, first off,

26:03SPEAKERone of the other things I think you're supposed to do

26:05SPEAKERis walk around and shoot video of all of the objects

26:08SPEAKERof value in the home.

26:10SPEAKER- Interesting.

26:11SPEAKER- So that you can, when the insurance situation arises,

26:14SPEAKERyou can say, look, here's a record of all the things

26:17SPEAKERthat are in here.

26:18SPEAKERHere's our Lego collection, it comprised 40 kits

26:21SPEAKERthat have these, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah,

26:23SPEAKERthis much value, write me a check, please.

26:29SPEAKERYeah, the, but on the documents front, I think,

26:33SPEAKERso my strategy on the documents front was to go through

26:36SPEAKERand think, okay, what do I need to get a new passport?

26:40SPEAKERWhat do I need to get a new driver's license?

26:41SPEAKERWhat do I need to replace titles or whatever on cars

26:44SPEAKERthat are destroyed potentially?

26:47SPEAKERWhat do I need to recover digital access to anything

26:52SPEAKERthat is gone on the computer?

26:53SPEAKERIs there an offsite backup for the computer?

26:55SPEAKERI fired up Backblaze last night just to make sure

26:58SPEAKERit was up to date, and it is.

27:02SPEAKERDo I put the NAS drive, like the NAS backup drive,

27:06SPEAKERI think is maybe gonna go in the FireSafe too.

27:09SPEAKER- Okay.

27:10SPEAKER- Because, you know, or maybe I'll just pull the drives

27:14SPEAKERfrom the NAS, I haven't decided yet,

27:16SPEAKERthat I'm still working through.

27:17SPEAKER- What form is your external backup?

27:20SPEAKER- It's a one giant 10 terabyte drive.

27:23SPEAKER- One drive, that's it?

27:24SPEAKERI would just, if that has everything on it from the NAS,

27:27SPEAKERthat's what I would do, like I have--

27:28SPEAKER- Well, it doesn't have the movie collection,

27:29SPEAKERit has all the documents and photos and stuff.

27:31SPEAKER- Okay, I've got, go ahead.

27:34SPEAKER- I might just pull, I have, the other option is to pull

27:36SPEAKERfour eight or 10 terabyte drives,

27:38SPEAKERwhatever I have in there now,

27:40SPEAKERand just then rebuild the FreeNAS machine

27:44SPEAKERwhen the time comes.

27:45SPEAKER- Sure, that would totally work.

27:47SPEAKERI've got two 10 terabyte USB externals,

27:50SPEAKERbecause I did put my movie collection into the backup.

27:53SPEAKERThat backup is my entire NAS, but I would grab those,

27:58SPEAKERI would leave the NAS, 'cause it's a full size, you know.

28:01SPEAKER- I'm not bringing the machine, for sure.

28:03SPEAKER- I don't know if just pulling those things

28:06SPEAKERwithout like, what's the, what is the ZFS term,

28:10SPEAKERexporting the pool, whatever the formal

28:14SPEAKERdisconnection process is, I don't know if just like,

28:16SPEAKERif we're talking like you literally have 30 minutes

28:18SPEAKERto get the fuck out, I don't know if just yanking the drives

28:22SPEAKERfrom the connection is safe or not, or if that--

28:25SPEAKER- If you turn off the computer, you can just grab 'em.

28:27SPEAKER- Okay, you're right, you're right.

28:29SPEAKERThat, and that's pretty fast, that takes 90 seconds

28:30SPEAKERto just hit shutdown and wait.

28:33SPEAKER- I mean, even if you have to pull the power plug

28:35SPEAKERand just grab the, yank the cables,

28:37SPEAKERyou're still probably fine.

28:38SPEAKER- I guess if you're, if you're in a situation

28:42SPEAKERwhere you don't have time to shut down a computer,

28:44SPEAKERyou're probably not, you're probably not--

28:44SPEAKER- Don't worry about the data.

28:45SPEAKER- You're probably not thinking about the NAS backup

28:47SPEAKERto begin with.

28:48SPEAKER- Yeah, let your offsite backup be your guide in that case.

28:52SPEAKER- Do you have, do you have an offsite?

28:55SPEAKER- So all of our photos and home videos and stuff

28:57SPEAKERare on Google Photos.

28:58SPEAKER- Okay, that's what I, that's basically the type of stuff

29:00SPEAKERI need to back up is old home movies and stuff like that.

29:04SPEAKERAnd some old like digital apocrypha and the cellony.

29:09SPEAKER- I'm trying to think there's a public,

29:12SPEAKERlike there's the public folder on the NAS

29:13SPEAKERis like our dumping ground for shit like documents

29:16SPEAKERthat are going back and forth between Gina and me

29:18SPEAKERand stuff like that.

29:19SPEAKERSo I need to look at that and make sure that there's,

29:21SPEAKER'cause that isn't probably on the,

29:25SPEAKERthat's not cloud backup, backed up,

29:27SPEAKERbut I could put it in a folder that backblades covers.

29:29SPEAKERLike I could mirror it to a folder

29:30SPEAKERthat backblades covers on my PC.

29:33SPEAKERAnd that would solve that problem, which I might do.

29:36SPEAKER- Would you trust a somewhat more kind of consumer service,

29:39SPEAKERlike Dropbox for stuff like that?

29:40SPEAKEROr is that too open for you?

29:41SPEAKER- Yeah, absolutely.

29:42SPEAKERI mean, so the problem with Dropbox

29:44SPEAKERis if you have two factor on and you lose your phone,

29:47SPEAKERhow do you recover if you don't have those codes,

29:49SPEAKERwhich are probably stored in Dropbox.

29:51SPEAKER'Cause that's where most people put all the,

29:52SPEAKERlike my recovery codes are in a VeraCrypt AES file

30:00SPEAKERon Dropbox that I remember the password to.

30:05SPEAKERSo I had to print out the Dropbox codes

30:08SPEAKERand the one password recovery codes and put them in,

30:10SPEAKERyou know, they're in the fire safe now.

30:12SPEAKER- That makes sense.

30:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I've been meaning to set up something

30:16SPEAKERlike an Azure blob storage volume for quite a long time,

30:20SPEAKERlike in a cold storage kind of way.

30:21SPEAKER'Cause that stuff, did we talk about that?

30:23SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about it a couple of weeks ago.

30:24SPEAKERIt's really, I went and looked at the pricing.

30:26SPEAKERIt's ridiculous.

30:26SPEAKERIt's basically nothing once you transfer in.

30:29SPEAKERFor hundreds of gigabytes, it's like,

30:32SPEAKERI didn't do the math, this is super fuzzy,

30:34SPEAKERbut isn't it like a dollar or two a month

30:36SPEAKERto hold to store like maybe even terabytes?

30:41SPEAKERDoes it go that far?

30:42SPEAKER- I assume they're storing that stuff

30:43SPEAKERon like people's little Slack,

30:44SPEAKERXbox drive space or something, it is so cheap.

30:47SPEAKER(laughing)

30:48SPEAKER- It's entirely possible, but.

30:51SPEAKERAnd again, yeah, I think we talked about it before,

30:52SPEAKERbut again, that's like, that's the kind of storage

30:54SPEAKERthat you expect not to have to access, right?

30:56SPEAKERLike if you do need to retrieve data from it,

30:58SPEAKERyou are gonna pay a substantial amount of money.

31:00SPEAKER- It's worth paying the money to access

31:03SPEAKERif you have to access that data.

31:04SPEAKER- If you need to get data out of it,

31:06SPEAKERyou're gonna be happy to pay the couple of hundred bucks

31:08SPEAKERit's gonna take to get it or whatever.

31:10SPEAKERI'm spitballing that number.

31:11SPEAKERIt's gonna be a lot, but like,

31:13SPEAKERif you're in the situation where you need to access it,

31:15SPEAKERyou will be happy that you can access it at all

31:17SPEAKERand you will gladly pay the money.

31:18SPEAKERBut otherwise that's a place to dump

31:21SPEAKERsuper valuable sentimental data

31:23SPEAKERand expect to not touch it unless disaster strikes.

31:26SPEAKER- Well, and I mean, in a lot of ways,

31:29SPEAKERthe Google Photos, I think I pay for

31:32SPEAKERas part of a Google One subscription.

31:33SPEAKERI can't remember if I have to pay for that separately,

31:35SPEAKERbut basically I have multiple terabytes of space available

31:39SPEAKERfor photos and video and it serves the same purpose

31:44SPEAKERand it's searchable, which is really nice.

31:45SPEAKERSo you can search by the content of the photos

31:47SPEAKER'cause you know, machine learning.

31:49SPEAKER- Even if you're willing to juggle free accounts,

31:52SPEAKERthere's like, there's Dropbox, there's OneDrive,

31:54SPEAKERthere's Google Drive.

31:55SPEAKERLike there are enough free services out there

31:57SPEAKERthat you could spread and stuff like that out across them

31:59SPEAKERand kind of have some redundancy.

32:00SPEAKERBut then you get into a situation of like,

32:03SPEAKERif you two factor all those services,

32:05SPEAKERwhere do you keep those codes?

32:06SPEAKERAnd you still have to have a way to get into that stuff.

32:10SPEAKER- Well, and also like having done the thing

32:14SPEAKERwhere I have a backup,

32:15SPEAKERall the backups on hard drives in the garage

32:17SPEAKERand I'm like, shit, which hard drive is this one on?

32:19SPEAKERIs it this one or is it this one or is it this one?

32:22SPEAKERLike, if you're in a disaster, you don't wanna, like just,

32:25SPEAKERyou know, pay for something.

32:27SPEAKERI mean, Backblaze isn't even very,

32:28SPEAKERit's like less than 10 bucks a month, I think,

32:30SPEAKERfor the basic thing.

32:32SPEAKERThey're not paying us, just they're the ones doing that

32:34SPEAKERthat I've used in the past and liked.

32:40SPEAKEROkay, so documents in the fire safe.

32:42SPEAKERCan you think of anything that should go in the fire safe

32:44SPEAKERthat we're not thinking about?

32:45SPEAKER- I mean, how big a fire safe?

32:46SPEAKERWe're talking like the sort of briefcase,

32:48SPEAKERlike little tiny suitcase size fire safe,

32:50SPEAKERnot like a floor, like a standing floor safe, right?

32:54SPEAKER- So the one is, the one I have is like a,

32:56SPEAKERit's like the size of a mid-sized cooler.

32:58SPEAKERIt's like maybe a foot and a half

33:00SPEAKERof normal width file, hanging file cabinet.

33:04SPEAKERSo you can put your hanging files in there

33:05SPEAKERand there's room in the bottom for some shit

33:07SPEAKERthat goes underneath the bottom of the files.

33:08SPEAKER- That's a decent size.

33:09SPEAKERYou could get some stuff in there.

33:11SPEAKERThe one I was looking at was like a briefcase size.

33:14SPEAKERLike you wouldn't put much more than like documents

33:16SPEAKERand some USB sticks in there probably.

33:18SPEAKER- Yeah, well, this one I bought

33:20SPEAKER'cause I had all this, I had all the paperwork

33:21SPEAKERfor my business and I was like, if I lose this,

33:24SPEAKERlike if something happens to the house

33:25SPEAKERand this is gone, then I have a hard time.

33:27SPEAKER- Like you've got way more considerations around that.

33:30SPEAKERSo you run a business, you're married, you have a child,

33:32SPEAKERyou own a house, like I don't, that's true.

33:35SPEAKERI live a bit more off the grid than you.

33:37SPEAKER- Let me tell you.

33:38SPEAKERAnd Brad's ready to grow a beard and move to Montana.

33:40SPEAKER- I am working on it.

33:41SPEAKERIt's getting there.

33:42SPEAKER- Montana's nice, it seems.

33:43SPEAKERI don't know, maybe Montana,

33:44SPEAKERmaybe I'd buy a missile silo in Montana and just move in.

33:47SPEAKER- I don't hear a lot about disasters

33:48SPEAKERin Montana, it turns out.

33:50SPEAKER- Yeah, well that's 'cause they don't let anybody

33:51SPEAKERleave the state, anyway.

33:52SPEAKER- What do you think the internet connections

33:54SPEAKERare like there?

33:57SPEAKER- It depends on the municipality

33:58SPEAKERand whether they did municipal fiber or not.

34:00SPEAKER- I'm gonna guess no.

34:03SPEAKERIf you live in a community in Montana with municipal fiber,

34:05SPEAKERplease let us know.

34:06SPEAKER- Yeah, and hey, if you like it,

34:09SPEAKERactually, if you live any place in the Northeast

34:11SPEAKERor Northwest that's not on the coast and in the fire zone,

34:14SPEAKERholler, we'd love to hear about your places.

34:16SPEAKER- Well, you know, Midwest has its own problems.

34:18SPEAKERAsk Iowans right now how--

34:20SPEAKER- I'm not interested in tornadoes or,

34:22SPEAKERI don't even know how you say it, derecho?

34:24SPEAKER- Yes, that stuff.

34:26SPEAKER- That sounded bad.

34:28SPEAKER- We know someone in Iowa who's having a rough time of it

34:30SPEAKERand that sucks a lot.

34:32SPEAKER- Well, and the thing is, it's funny,

34:35SPEAKERBruce Sterling wrote books about this.

34:36SPEAKERThere was a book called Heavy Weather

34:37SPEAKERthat he wrote in 2002 that basically was like,

34:41SPEAKERhey, here's what's gonna happen in the flat middle parts

34:43SPEAKERof the country if climate change is real,

34:45SPEAKERwhen climate change is real and it was set in 2050,

34:49SPEAKERbut we're seeing it now 'cause the tornadoes are bigger

34:51SPEAKERand we're getting all these, you know,

34:53SPEAKERhundred mile an hour wind storms and all of this stuff.

34:55SPEAKERSo I'm a little skeptical of any place that's flat.

34:59SPEAKERAt the same time, Southeast hurricane zone, not great.

35:03SPEAKERGot two hurricanes heading toward the Gulf Coast right now.

35:06SPEAKERThat's bad, buckle down, leave if they tell you to, please.

35:10SPEAKER- We were in on enough that the hurricanes just manifested

35:12SPEAKERas like really bad rainstorms and that was kind of it.

35:15SPEAKER- Oh, so floods then.

35:16SPEAKER- Well, well, no, 'cause we're in the mountains

35:18SPEAKERso it couldn't flood.

35:18SPEAKERIt was actually like...

35:20SPEAKER- Well, it can flood, it just doesn't often.

35:22SPEAKER- Pretty resilient area,

35:23SPEAKERbut I don't know if we've talked about this before.

35:26SPEAKERHow much do you check yourself when you see

35:30SPEAKERwhat looks like a freak weather occurrence

35:32SPEAKERand immediately go to climate change as the explanation?

35:34SPEAKERLike, do you try to moderate that response

35:37SPEAKERor do you just like assume everything

35:39SPEAKERis because of that at this point?

35:40SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

35:41SPEAKERLike, do you try to mentally draw a line between like,

35:44SPEAKER'cause you look back at like the last hundred years

35:46SPEAKERof record keeping or whatever,

35:47SPEAKERand you see like even before the industrialization

35:51SPEAKERof the world ruined everything,

35:53SPEAKERyou know, there were freak like temperature spikes

35:55SPEAKERor whatever, you know?

35:56SPEAKERThere were freak weather. - Yeah, 500 year storms.

35:57SPEAKER- Weather and climate problems

35:59SPEAKERin the pre-industrial past, right?

36:01SPEAKERSo like, do you try to distinguish mentally

36:05SPEAKERbetween like that is definitely climate change,

36:07SPEAKERthis could just be like a freak, a normal freak,

36:10SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

36:10SPEAKERIs that distinction even worth making at this point?

36:12SPEAKER- So I'm not an expert on this.

36:16SPEAKERMy rule is when somebody,

36:18SPEAKERwhen a meteorologist describes something

36:20SPEAKERas a 500 year storm, meaning it's the kind of storm

36:23SPEAKERwe have roughly every 500 years,

36:25SPEAKERand we have three of those in sequential years,

36:30SPEAKERmy assumption is that something's up there.

36:33SPEAKER- That's a safe assumption, absolutely.

36:34SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yes.

36:36SPEAKER- And there are certain entities out there

36:39SPEAKERthat I think are considered kind of universal authorities,

36:43SPEAKERyou know, like they're like, whatever,

36:44SPEAKERI don't wanna get into it.

36:46SPEAKERI don't wanna go off on a political tangent here,

36:47SPEAKERbut there's like a pretty obvious war on expertise

36:50SPEAKERover the last few years, right?

36:51SPEAKERLike there's a tremendous amount of undue skepticism

36:54SPEAKERaround the experts and evidence-based fact-finding,

37:00SPEAKERthat sort of thing, you know what I mean?

37:01SPEAKERGo on. - Are you suggesting

37:02SPEAKERthat the people who are blaming China for climate change

37:06SPEAKERare perhaps doing that without the best of intentions?

37:09SPEAKER- I'm shocked. - I'm not gonna,

37:11SPEAKERI'm just gonna, you know, I'll leave that

37:12SPEAKERas an exercise for the listener,

37:14SPEAKERbut what I'm getting at is that

37:16SPEAKERthere are certain institutions, I think,

37:18SPEAKERthat withstand that kind of skepticism,

37:20SPEAKERsuch as, let's say, the military, or firefighters,

37:25SPEAKERyou know, like people who work in really hands-on,

37:28SPEAKERnitty-gritty disaster response

37:30SPEAKERor heavy logistics type stuff,

37:32SPEAKERand you will see those institutions very honestly

37:36SPEAKERtalking about the effects of climate change,

37:37SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

37:39SPEAKERLike firefighters, like they were like,

37:41SPEAKERthe last time the fires were that bad in California,

37:43SPEAKERlike you saw people in that line of work saying like,

37:47SPEAKERyeah, that's exactly what this is because they can't,

37:49SPEAKERthey cannot afford to pussyfoot around

37:51SPEAKERand like play with the truth, right?

37:52SPEAKEROr like, you know-- - If they do,

37:54SPEAKERthen, you know, massive parts of the state will burn.

37:57SPEAKER- Right, and people will die. - And people will die.

37:58SPEAKER- Like the military has to be able to deploy

38:01SPEAKERinsane amounts of manpower and machinery around the globe

38:04SPEAKERon a moment's notice, right?

38:05SPEAKERLike they cannot, they cannot afford, excuse me,

38:08SPEAKERthey cannot afford to equivocate about, you know, factors--

38:12SPEAKER- Yeah, they can't take the political line

38:14SPEAKERthat climate change is not real.

38:16SPEAKERI'm a dipshit Republican, blah, blah, blah.

38:20SPEAKER- Like factors that affect their ability to do their job,

38:23SPEAKERyou know, the logistical variables,

38:26SPEAKERthey have to be extremely realistic about all of them.

38:28SPEAKERAnd like, when I see institutions like that

38:31SPEAKERtalking honestly about where the climate is going awry

38:35SPEAKERis I think when I really start to worry,

38:38SPEAKERbut also that's the kind of thing that at least

38:39SPEAKERlike most people will recognize

38:41SPEAKERas an authoritative assessment.

38:43SPEAKER- There's a couple of things to always remember.

38:47SPEAKEROne of them is that we are literally

38:49SPEAKERthe only developed country in the world

38:50SPEAKERwhere this is a conversation that goes on, right?

38:53SPEAKERLike the rest of the world has accepted

38:57SPEAKERthat man-made climate change is real,

38:59SPEAKERand there's not a scientific,

39:01SPEAKERI'm air quoting scientific again,

39:02SPEAKERthere's not a scientific debate

39:04SPEAKERabout whether this is a real thing.

39:06SPEAKERSo sometimes taking your cues from the rest of the world

39:08SPEAKERand assuming that the other 6.7 billion people

39:11SPEAKERon the planet maybe know what the fuck's going on

39:13SPEAKERis a useful exercise.

39:17SPEAKERSo yeah, like if it's a cold winter, not climate change.

39:22SPEAKERI mean, maybe climate change, but doesn't matter.

39:25SPEAKERIf you have four record fire seasons back to back

39:28SPEAKERbecause of a 10 year drought that has barely,

39:32SPEAKERbarely seen a dentin in terms of rainfall,

39:37SPEAKERprobably it's time to think about maybe

39:39SPEAKERsome shit's going bad with our choices as a species.

39:45SPEAKER- Definitely the most uplifting episode

39:47SPEAKERwe've ever recorded.

39:49SPEAKER- Hey, look, if you see a few back to back

39:51SPEAKERrecord hurricane seasons because the Gulf stream

39:53SPEAKERis slowing down and salinity of the poles are bad

39:56SPEAKERbecause the ice sheet on Greenland's melting

39:57SPEAKERand giant chunks of ice are breaking off the Antarctic,

40:00SPEAKERI don't know, that seems like maybe

40:02SPEAKERthat could have a climate change impacts there.

40:05SPEAKERWho knows if methane and Siberia and the tundra

40:10SPEAKERis being released in unbelievable quantities

40:13SPEAKERbecause the ground is literally on fire

40:16SPEAKERbecause it's thawing for the first time

40:17SPEAKERin tens of thousands of years.

40:20SPEAKER- Safe assumption.

40:22SPEAKER- I think probably that's bad and maybe our fault.

40:27SPEAKERAt this point, I'm kind of hoping

40:28SPEAKERthat we have a giant fucking volcano

40:30SPEAKERthat just blats a couple of years worth of ash

40:33SPEAKERin the air to give us a little bit of a pause.

40:34SPEAKER- Let's not even talk about Yellowstone.

40:36SPEAKERIs that what it is?

40:37SPEAKERIt's Yellowstone, right?

40:38SPEAKER- There's a super volcano under Yellowstone, yes.

40:40SPEAKERI've been doing some research

40:41SPEAKERon this one, unrelated things lately.

40:44SPEAKER- Why could that be?

40:47SPEAKER- Well, it'll be cool if we get to talk about it.

40:50SPEAKER- That's a weird one.

40:50SPEAKERI don't know what this episode's even about at this point,

40:52SPEAKERbut I feel like that's a weird one

40:54SPEAKERthat really gets into humans skewed perception of time

40:57SPEAKERbecause--

40:58SPEAKER- Yeah, you don't have to worry about that one.

41:01SPEAKERYou're fine on that one.

41:02SPEAKER- But that's an interesting one where,

41:04SPEAKERis it that volcano or is it another super volcano?

41:06SPEAKERI think there's one out there that they say,

41:08SPEAKER"Oh yeah, we're due."

41:09SPEAKERThat one is gonna erupt any day now,

41:11SPEAKERbut in a geological timescale,

41:14SPEAKERany day now means sometime in the next 20,000 years

41:17SPEAKERor something, I'm making that number up,

41:18SPEAKERbut you know what I mean?

41:19SPEAKER- It's like Mount Rainier.

41:21SPEAKERMount Rainier, geologically due.

41:23SPEAKERWe didn't know that there was a fault under Seattle

41:25SPEAKERuntil a few years ago, right?

41:26SPEAKERWhen there was a big earthquake and there's always

41:30SPEAKERbeen earthquakes there, but they were like,

41:32SPEAKER"Oh shit, there's a fault here we didn't know about."

41:34SPEAKERAnd by the way,

41:35SPEAKERprobably Mount Rainier is gonna blow up at some point

41:37SPEAKERin the not too distant future,

41:38SPEAKERbut geologically the not too distant future is fine.

41:41SPEAKER- Right, right.

41:42SPEAKEROr which major star in a constellation was--

41:47SPEAKER- Oh, Betelgeuse.

41:48SPEAKER- Betelgeuse, right?

41:49SPEAKER- Betelgeuse, yeah.

41:50SPEAKER- I'm pretty sure it was Betelgeuse

41:51SPEAKERthat they thought might be preparing to go supernova.

41:53SPEAKER- The bottom half is dimming, the top half less so.

41:56SPEAKER- Yeah, and that one is, they're saying that thing is due,

41:59SPEAKERbut due could be a million years from now, you know?

42:03SPEAKER- I think the range is a few hundred thousand.

42:05SPEAKER- Oh, is it that close?

42:06SPEAKER- Yeah, we don't have that much time, Brad.

42:07SPEAKER- Right, exactly.

42:08SPEAKERI mean, whatever.

42:09SPEAKER- Get in your bunker.

42:10SPEAKER- It's the same psychological effect

42:13SPEAKERas when people hear about our sun's red dwarf phase,

42:17SPEAKERor not red dwarf, red giant phase, right?

42:20SPEAKER- Red giant, yeah, we won't go super giant.

42:22SPEAKERWe're not big enough for that, probably.

42:23SPEAKER- Like it will consume the earth

42:24SPEAKERin five billion years or so, right?

42:26SPEAKERAnd like people start to panic

42:27SPEAKERwhen they hear about things like that.

42:28SPEAKERAnd it's like, you know, I think you'll be fine.

42:30SPEAKER- Yeah, if humanity makes it five billion years,

42:32SPEAKERwe've really fucking lucked out in some important ways.

42:35SPEAKER- But also you as an individual, probably not a concern.

42:41SPEAKER- I don't, I mean, look, there's a whole other question.

42:43SPEAKERLike if you had the opportunity to upload your consciousness

42:46SPEAKERat the end of days to some sort of orbiting,

42:49SPEAKERyou know, comp tronium facility

42:50SPEAKERthat just lets you run in simulation for eternity.

42:53SPEAKER- Are we, I feel like this podcast is becoming

42:56SPEAKERa cliche, are we gonna have to get into theories of mind

42:58SPEAKERhere where I asked-

42:58SPEAKER- We'll just call this potpourri.

43:00SPEAKER- Yeah, is that actually you or is that a copy of you?

43:03SPEAKER- Look, that's a different conversation for a different day.

43:05SPEAKERI'm just saying, would you take eternal life

43:06SPEAKERin the comp tronium space cloud?

43:08SPEAKER- Well, I would just be giving the digital version

43:11SPEAKERof me eternal life, right?

43:12SPEAKERAnd the meat version of me would languish here on earth.

43:17SPEAKER- What if in order to upload the digital version of you,

43:19SPEAKERit's a destructive process and they have to like

43:21SPEAKERdismantle your brain one neuron at a time?

43:24SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.

43:25SPEAKER- That doesn't sound so bad.

43:27SPEAKER- Yeah, right.

43:28SPEAKER- As ways to go rate, that one's pretty novel.

43:32SPEAKER- So one of my favorite things in the Stevenson book

43:36SPEAKERthat came out last year, the one about Dodge in hell

43:41SPEAKERis one of the characters realizes he has a terminal illness

43:46SPEAKERand he builds an elaborate suicide machine

43:50SPEAKERthat also preserves his body.

43:51SPEAKERSo it's perfect for the uploading process.

43:55SPEAKERLike at the moment of death.

43:57SPEAKERAnd it's very grim and wonderful in a Neal Stevenson way

44:02SPEAKERthat I, it's fall is the name of the book.

44:04SPEAKER- Okay.

44:05SPEAKER- Anyway, okay, so back to the topic.

44:08SPEAKER- I just wanna say real quick, if you haven't played Soma,

44:10SPEAKERif anybody listening to this has not played Soma.

44:12SPEAKER- Oh, Jesus.

44:13SPEAKER- That game deals with the digital consciousness question

44:16SPEAKERbetter than just about any game I have seen.

44:18SPEAKER- I have to, the monsters were too scary for me.

44:21SPEAKERI had to stop playing that.

44:21SPEAKER- They added a mode where you can disable that stuff.

44:23SPEAKER- Oh, really?

44:24SPEAKER- I don't know if it fully disables them

44:26SPEAKERor maybe it just makes them harmless.

44:27SPEAKERI forget or like disables the stealth aspect

44:30SPEAKERor something like that.

44:31SPEAKERBut like they basically added a story mode,

44:33SPEAKERlike a don't bother me with this stealth crap.

44:35SPEAKERLet me just, did you finish it?

44:37SPEAKER- No, I stopped playing the monsters were fucking terrified.

44:40SPEAKER- You have got to go play through that game.

44:42SPEAKER- Okay.

44:42SPEAKER- It's so good.

44:44SPEAKERAnyway, I'm sorry.

44:45SPEAKER- Okay, so I feel like documents,

44:47SPEAKERI feel like we're pretty good on documents, right?

44:49SPEAKERBirth certificates, titles, social security, passports,

44:52SPEAKERmarriage certificates, your digital backup stuff,

44:57SPEAKERyour YubiKey, your recovery codes, all that stuff.

45:01SPEAKER- How would you feel?

45:02SPEAKEROh, go ahead.

45:02SPEAKER- Probably for the Apple account too,

45:04SPEAKERor whatever your phone account is,

45:05SPEAKERwhether it's Google or Apple.

45:06SPEAKER- How would you feel about physical tech items

45:09SPEAKERthat are like not super easy to replace?

45:12SPEAKERLike do you have, I've got a couple boxes of old games

45:15SPEAKERfrom pretty much my entire life,

45:18SPEAKERlike the ones that I wanted to keep.

45:20SPEAKERLike I kind of win my collection of games down

45:24SPEAKERto the ones that I truly care about

45:25SPEAKERfrom basically the NES on, and those are boxed up.

45:30SPEAKERLike, would you, something that is-

45:32SPEAKER- I mean, if there's room in the car, right?

45:34SPEAKER- Right.

45:35SPEAKER- That for me falls firmly in the like,

45:37SPEAKERokay, I have the things that I need to pick up my life,

45:40SPEAKERand then I have the things that are important to me from,

45:43SPEAKERlike that fits into the category of things

45:44SPEAKERthat are important to my like spiritual,

45:48SPEAKERlike the important, the mentally important possessions, right?

45:52SPEAKERSo it's like things for my grandparents

45:53SPEAKERand like a copy of a book that I love

45:57SPEAKERand pictures from, you know,

46:00SPEAKERthat are not easy to replace, people who are past,

46:03SPEAKERor probably I should scan all of these

46:06SPEAKERwhen I'm thinking about it,

46:07SPEAKERbut like existed before the digital days or whatever.

46:10SPEAKER- I guess that's a slippery slope though,

46:12SPEAKERbecause you could, that list could get very long

46:14SPEAKERif you kept adding to it.

46:15SPEAKERLike, you know, like I've got my grandmother's cast iron

46:18SPEAKERskillet in the kitchen, you know,

46:19SPEAKERlike do I have time to go fish that out?

46:21SPEAKERLike there's a zillion of those things

46:23SPEAKERif you really let it get to you.

46:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like the grandmother's cast iron skillet

46:29SPEAKERis a good one, 'cause that's actually a useful go bag item

46:32SPEAKERif you end up camping on the side of the road

46:34SPEAKERin some sort of Trump tent town,

46:37SPEAKERyou're like the cast iron skillet is a real,

46:40SPEAKERyou can be the breakfast guy then.

46:41SPEAKER- That's actually survival mechanism, sure.

46:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so I guess that's a good,

46:47SPEAKERlet's see medications and toiletries.

46:49SPEAKERObviously medications and prescriptions are important,

46:51SPEAKERbut prescriptions are mostly digital now.

46:53SPEAKERSo I figure at least a few days worth of clothes

46:58SPEAKERso you can wash stuff and have time to dry it.

47:03SPEAKERI don't, kind of beyond that,

47:05SPEAKERI don't really know what to grab, right?

47:07SPEAKERIt's like, what do you need?

47:10SPEAKER- Like I'm looking around this room here

47:12SPEAKERand like all the stuff I care about.

47:17SPEAKER- Yeah, well, of course that goes without saying,

47:19SPEAKERlike that would be tough actually for us

47:21SPEAKER'cause like they have certain material needs

47:24SPEAKERthat it would be hard to satisfy for more than a few days

47:28SPEAKERwith the stuff we could carry with us, if that makes sense.

47:31SPEAKER- Do you have like a portable cage for them?

47:33SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, totally.

47:34SPEAKERWe have like the little crate type thing

47:36SPEAKERthat we take to the vet and stuff like that,

47:38SPEAKERbut like that's not a good long-term solution.

47:40SPEAKERBut the bigger thing is like,

47:42SPEAKERand this varies by animal, but in their case,

47:45SPEAKERthey need hay, they need grass hay all the time.

47:47SPEAKERLike it is a--

47:49SPEAKER- It's what they eat, right?

47:50SPEAKER- Well, not only is it the staple of their diet,

47:52SPEAKERbut it's the thing that keeps their digestion going.

47:56SPEAKERLike they're somewhat cattle-like

47:58SPEAKERin that they have to be grazing at all times.

48:01SPEAKERAnd if they don't get hay for it varies,

48:04SPEAKERbut like let's say 24 hours or something.

48:06SPEAKER- These are guinea pigs if you're a listener

48:08SPEAKERwho does not know about brad's proclivities.

48:11SPEAKER- Whoa, it's not the word I would use, but.

48:15SPEAKER- I like the piggies.

48:17SPEAKER- Their digestion will shut down if they don't eat grass hay

48:20SPEAKERwithin like a pretty short amount of time, like a day.

48:23SPEAKERThey'll go into, they go into something called gut stasis,

48:25SPEAKERwhich is very hard to reverse and is very quickly fatal.

48:29SPEAKERSo like what I'm getting at is that like hay

48:31SPEAKERtakes up a lot of space if you've ever been around a farm

48:33SPEAKERor had to deal with that kind of thing in bulk.

48:36SPEAKERYou know, like it's a large bulky heavy item, right?

48:39SPEAKERAnd we would carry whatever box we had with us,

48:42SPEAKERbut in some kind of disaster situation,

48:44SPEAKERlike that's only gonna last so long and then.

48:47SPEAKER- Well, and the other challenge,

48:49SPEAKERI mean, the other challenge is that like a lot of times

48:52SPEAKERif you have to go to a shelter or something, there's no,

48:55SPEAKERthey don't allow pets.

48:56SPEAKER- Right.

48:57SPEAKER- So, I mean, this was always the problem we had

48:59SPEAKERwith when Chloe was around was if we had to evacuate

49:02SPEAKERbecause of an earthquake or fire or whatever,

49:04SPEAKERwe just assumed it would be backyard camping.

49:06SPEAKER- Right.

49:07SPEAKER- For the duration, but in a fire situation,

49:10SPEAKERthat's not an option.

49:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:12SPEAKER- One of the things I did order for the go bag

49:16SPEAKERthat I didn't have before is I ordered a couple

49:18SPEAKERof fire blankets, the survival ones that are both like

49:21SPEAKERfor putting out fires in your kitchen or whatever

49:24SPEAKERwithout, it's like a fiberglass blanket

49:26SPEAKERthat's heavily insulated and you can use to smother a fire.

49:29SPEAKERBut if you're in a wildfire situation, you can also,

49:33SPEAKERlike often they'll pass over you so quickly

49:35SPEAKERthat like you're fine if you can maintain oxygen

49:38SPEAKERand not burn.

49:40SPEAKERSo if you wrap up in that thing on the ground

49:43SPEAKERand get low someplace that stuff won't fall on you,

49:46SPEAKERyou can survive a lot under those apparently.

49:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I was looking at photos of Big Basin State Park

49:54SPEAKERthis morning, which are heartbreaking

49:55SPEAKER'cause the facilities are literally gone.

49:58SPEAKERLike they just, visitor center and all that stuff

50:00SPEAKERhas basically been wiped off the earth except for the chimney.

50:03SPEAKER- There were pictures of the trees that were glowing red

50:07SPEAKERwhere the outside of the trees had burned.

50:09SPEAKER- Right, but in some of those photos you will see spots

50:11SPEAKERwhere the ground looks almost untouched.

50:14SPEAKERI guess it really is just a matter

50:16SPEAKERof like what is there and flammable, right?

50:17SPEAKERLike if you can find an open spot with nothing around you

50:21SPEAKERthat will burn then--

50:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it'll zip right over you quickly.

50:25SPEAKERYou just have to survive the heat wave.

50:27SPEAKER- Right.

50:28SPEAKER- We have a friend, I know this is really upbeat.

50:32SPEAKERWe have a friend who hid in his pool

50:34SPEAKERunder one of those blankets for like four hours

50:39SPEAKERin the Santa Rosa fires three, four years ago.

50:47SPEAKERBut yeah, anyway.

50:48SPEAKER- Something I just thought of,

50:49SPEAKERI don't know if you wanna get into it too much

50:51SPEAKERand this is somewhat unique to the geography of this area

50:54SPEAKERbut you were talking about like the direction

50:57SPEAKERyou would have to evacuate because parts of our area

51:01SPEAKERare surrounded on multiple sides by water

51:03SPEAKERand one of the two land directions you have to work with

51:07SPEAKERis where the fires are.

51:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:09SPEAKER- So like the logistics, kind of the traffic logistics

51:12SPEAKERof funneling a large number of people

51:13SPEAKERthrough a small number of bottlenecks,

51:15SPEAKERlike I wonder how that would play out.

51:17SPEAKER- I mean, so having talked to people who survived Katrina

51:22SPEAKERand the evacuation of Katrina to Houston and points north

51:26SPEAKERof New Orleans when Katrina hit,

51:30SPEAKERas well as like the stuff that happened

51:32SPEAKERin the campfire last year in California,

51:35SPEAKERif the campfire was so dangerous and deadly

51:38SPEAKERbecause there was only one road in and out of that town.

51:44SPEAKERAnd I mean, in Pacific we're in a similar situation,

51:47SPEAKERwe have two, but if one is cut off

51:48SPEAKERbecause of either earthquake shutting the tunnel

51:51SPEAKERor a fire on one direction or the other,

51:54SPEAKERthen like we're in a not great bottleneck situation.

51:59SPEAKERSo I think your key is to like, it's funny,

52:01SPEAKERone of the things that the coronavirus has taught us

52:07SPEAKERas a family is that we should trust our instincts

52:11SPEAKERwhen we are worried about something

52:13SPEAKERand it seems like it's going to be bad.

52:17SPEAKERYou know, the downside of overreacting is really low

52:20SPEAKERand the downside of underreacting is very high.

52:23SPEAKERSo we're gonna err on the side of overreacting

52:26SPEAKERand if we look like dumb asses, that's fine.

52:28SPEAKER- That's a good way to put it.

52:29SPEAKERI never really thought about it that way 'cause--

52:30SPEAKER- Yeah, like one is shame and embarrassment

52:33SPEAKERand the other is real bad, so.

52:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:39SPEAKER- Anyway, fly sims real good, Brad.

52:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm sure. - If you have a computer

52:46SPEAKERthat'll run that thing, it's worth the 15 hours

52:48SPEAKERit took to download.

52:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I want to check it out eventually.

52:50SPEAKERI need better hardware.

52:51SPEAKERI've got, I don't know if this is the time to get into it.

52:55SPEAKERI've got potentially a couple of new monitors on the way.

52:59SPEAKER- Nice substantial upgrade.

53:01SPEAKERAnd then there's maybe--

53:02SPEAKER- What kind of refresh rate are you looking at?

53:05SPEAKER- 105, actually.

53:07SPEAKER- Can you overclock it?

53:08SPEAKERYou got the overclock?

53:09SPEAKER- I can, I don't think I'm going to, but let me--

53:13SPEAKER- You should crank those things up,

53:14SPEAKERsee what 200 hertz looks like.

53:16SPEAKER- Oh, it doesn't go that high, but it is.

53:18SPEAKERDo you remember when we like one of the first episodes

53:20SPEAKERof this podcast when I got into how I was going

53:23SPEAKERthrough press releases of LCD panel manufacturers?

53:26SPEAKER- Oh, I'm aware.

53:27SPEAKER- And AU Optronics had announced a very appealing

53:32SPEAKERlooking line of low latency, high refresh IPSs.

53:36SPEAKER- Yup, they're out?

53:38SPEAKER- They're finally out.

53:40SPEAKERThis is one of those.

53:42SPEAKER- Is it a G-Sync or a FreeSync?

53:43SPEAKER- It is a FreeSync, but branded G-Sync compatible.

53:46SPEAKER- Okay, so it's one of the ones, okay.

53:48SPEAKER- So it'll do enough.

53:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:50SPEAKER- It's, let's see here, I believe--

53:54SPEAKER- This is what I've been waiting for too, for the record.

53:56SPEAKER- I believe stock 165 hertz.

53:59SPEAKER- Okay, that's really good.

54:01SPEAKER- It will do 170 hertz, which they consider overclocking,

54:04SPEAKERwhich I don't know if I'm gonna get into.

54:05SPEAKER- I don't know if it's worth five hertz.

54:07SPEAKER- Right, I'm fine at 144, honestly.

54:11SPEAKER- I mean, honestly, you're probably gonna end up

54:13SPEAKERrunning everything at 120.

54:14SPEAKER- Because of-- - Really?

54:15SPEAKER- Because if you're streaming, yeah.

54:17SPEAKER- Because the-- - Wait, is that really?

54:19SPEAKERSo this cheap monitor is 144 hertz

54:22SPEAKERthat I bought a few months ago.

54:23SPEAKERLike it's too small for what I need,

54:24SPEAKERso that's why I'm getting bigger ones.

54:26SPEAKERBut it is 144, so I've been working with that,

54:28SPEAKERbut is it a bad idea to run at that rate and stream?

54:32SPEAKER- So my understanding is if you are actually running

54:34SPEAKERat the full speed, this is from talking to streamers

54:37SPEAKERwho are fairly prominent and play games

54:41SPEAKERthat run at, you know, faster than 120 hertz.

54:45SPEAKERMy understanding is that if you are running it

54:47SPEAKERfaster than 120 hertz and you have v-sync off,

54:50SPEAKERwhich you have to to get the adaptive refresh rate

54:52SPEAKERstuff working right, you'll see tearing,

54:55SPEAKERbecause if you're doing a two PC stream setup,

54:58SPEAKERif you're doing one PC with OBS, it's fine.

55:00SPEAKER- That's what I'm doing. - 'Cause OBS knows

55:01SPEAKERto grab full frames.

55:03SPEAKERWhen you're doing the two PC stream setup

55:04SPEAKERand you're basically duplicating one monitor

55:06SPEAKERand piping that out to OBS on the other computer,

55:10SPEAKERthe capture cards usually run only at 60 hertz.

55:13SPEAKERSo if you're doing two PC, you'll get tearing.

55:17SPEAKER- Interesting. - 'Cause it'll only,

55:18SPEAKERit needs to be an even common denominator.

55:22SPEAKERLike it needs to have a shared common denominator

55:24SPEAKERthat gets to 60 hertz.

55:25SPEAKER- That makes sense.

55:26SPEAKERYeah, I'm just on 180 or 120 are the numbers.

55:29SPEAKERYou know, I'm just doing software capture with OBS.

55:31SPEAKERI do get some weird stuttering in certain games though.

55:33SPEAKERAnd I may wonder if that's related,

55:35SPEAKERbut that's a topic for another day, I suppose.

55:37SPEAKERAnyway, I get these new monitors

55:39SPEAKERand hopefully some hardware upgrades

55:40SPEAKER'cause my PC is aging a bit in that department.

55:43SPEAKERBut once I can jack flight sim all the way up,

55:47SPEAKERI might have to take a look at that thing.

55:50SPEAKER- I got out the hot ass, the hot ass.

55:52SPEAKER- Really? - It's good, yeah.

55:54SPEAKER- I flew, I fired it up the other day

55:55SPEAKERat the end of a stream thinking I was gonna like,

55:57SPEAKERsee if I could take off the airplane

55:59SPEAKERand I crashed a couple of times.

56:01SPEAKERAnd then I ended up flying from San Francisco,

56:06SPEAKERSFO almost to Portland, I guess in a two,

56:10SPEAKERin like a two engine beach,

56:12SPEAKERlike little six passenger private plane.

56:16SPEAKER- Was it pleasant?

56:17SPEAKERWas it just, was it nice?

56:19SPEAKER- So I did the first, like probably 40 minutes,

56:22SPEAKERlike you're supposed to at like 12,000 feet.

56:25SPEAKERAnd then I did the last 40 minutes

56:27SPEAKERlike a drug runner flying up the coast.

56:29SPEAKERSo I was like cliffs on the right below the radar horizon,

56:33SPEAKERlike a hundred feet off the waves.

56:35SPEAKERIt was awesome.

56:36SPEAKERIt was so like flying up past Eureka and Gold Beach

56:40SPEAKERand Crescent City and all that stuff

56:42SPEAKERand like avoiding fog banks.

56:44SPEAKERAnd it is like, I don't think I'm gonna get like yolk.

56:50SPEAKERLike I don't think I'm gonna go buy a yolk.

56:51SPEAKERI mean, I don't know,

56:52SPEAKERbut I'm not gonna rule anything out at this point,

56:54SPEAKERbut like it is fucking cool.

56:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:57SPEAKER- And it looks like it's returned to my first video game.

56:59SPEAKER- Sure.

57:00SPEAKER- Right, Flight Sim 3 was the first PC game

57:03SPEAKERI probably ever played.

57:05SPEAKER- Wow. - So yeah, it's weird.

57:07SPEAKER- Last thing I'll say about it before we go.

57:08SPEAKERI mean, my favorite thing about that game so far,

57:10SPEAKERnot having played it is there's kind of a genre

57:13SPEAKERof tweet emerging about it.

57:15SPEAKER- Oh, the janky data?

57:17SPEAKER- Yes, the janky. - I love those.

57:19SPEAKER- Because they're using a massive data set

57:22SPEAKERto render the world.

57:24SPEAKERAnd a lot of that I think was AI or machine learning driven.

57:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:28SPEAKER- So this genre of tweet is people finding

57:30SPEAKERweird idiosyncrasies that were dynamically generated

57:33SPEAKERby the machine learning they use

57:35SPEAKERto create this depiction of the earth.

57:38SPEAKER- Did you know that the world's tallest building

57:39SPEAKERis in Melbourne?

57:40SPEAKER- I guess.

57:41SPEAKER- I thought it was in Dubai, but here we are.

57:43SPEAKER- So did you see the explanation that came out for that?

57:45SPEAKER- It's a typo, right?

57:46SPEAKER- Yes, so people haven't seen it.

57:48SPEAKERThere is in the game, it's like a suburb of Melbourne, right?

57:51SPEAKERIt's like a very, from the looks of the ground,

57:55SPEAKERit's like, we're talking like two story houses at most,

57:57SPEAKERright?

57:58SPEAKER- And like this looks like maybe an office,

57:59SPEAKERlike a small commercial office building or something?

58:02SPEAKER- This is one of those very plain boxy skyscrapers

58:05SPEAKERthat's just all glass on four sides, you know,

58:07SPEAKERlike nothing out of the ordinary,

58:08SPEAKERexcept for the fact that it is emerging thousands of feet

58:13SPEAKERinto the air, probably.

58:14SPEAKER- Like it's 212 stories or something,

58:17SPEAKERI think is when it comes up.

58:18SPEAKER- The tallest building ever seen on earth

58:21SPEAKERin the middle of the suburb.

58:23SPEAKERSo yeah, like somebody tracked it down

58:25SPEAKERand I don't know what public data they were pulling from,

58:30SPEAKERwhat mapping data they were pulling from.

58:31SPEAKER- So they're pulling from Bing mapping data,

58:33SPEAKERis my understanding. - Is it Bing?

58:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:34SPEAKER- So they traced it back.

58:35SPEAKERSomebody who had manually gone in

58:37SPEAKERand entered information about that building, yeah,

58:39SPEAKERhad made a typo and was it just the number of floors

58:41SPEAKERthat they had specified wrong?

58:42SPEAKER- I think they put the wrong number of floors in, yeah.

58:45SPEAKER- The funny part is people realize like the typo

58:47SPEAKERhad been corrected long ago,

58:50SPEAKERbut Microsoft must've taken a snapshot of that data

58:52SPEAKERbefore somebody noticed the typo and fixed it.

58:55SPEAKER- So that's really funny.

58:56SPEAKER- So the building that got generated based on their bad data

58:58SPEAKERbased on somebody fumbling their keyboard

59:00SPEAKERcreated this like monstrous outlandish skyscraper.

59:04SPEAKERI think it's amazing.

59:05SPEAKER- Well, so the fun thing about the way those,

59:08SPEAKERso the first thing I did of course is like fired up

59:10SPEAKERand fly over the house.

59:11SPEAKERAnd then I went to like my parents' house where I grew up

59:13SPEAKERand it's funny because I don't know if you remember

59:18SPEAKERwhen Google started doing the 3D maps,

59:21SPEAKERyou could go to Google warehouse and like build,

59:24SPEAKERyou could do the photogrammetry edges yourself, right?

59:28SPEAKERBefore they taught the machines how to do that,

59:30SPEAKERlike people would load it up and they would do their houses

59:32SPEAKERand they'd show you the satellite imagery

59:36SPEAKERfrom all the different angles

59:37SPEAKERand you'd basically draw lines on the corners

59:39SPEAKERand roof lines and stuff like that.

59:41SPEAKERAnd then it would make a 3D model out of that.

59:42SPEAKER- Sure.

59:43SPEAKER- And at some point I guess they collected enough data

59:46SPEAKERto just like let the machines do it.

59:49SPEAKERBut the weird thing is it still does stuff like it'll map,

59:52SPEAKERit has like a bunch of different common roof types

59:57SPEAKERand it'll map what it thinks is the right roof

59:59SPEAKERonto the roofs that it sees in the satellite photography,

1:00:03SPEAKERbut it often gets it hilariously wrong

1:00:05SPEAKERin the best possible way.

1:00:06SPEAKERSo like you'll see a house that like you know absolutely

1:00:10SPEAKERdoes not have weird gables and like dormers

1:00:15SPEAKERand all that stuff up on a roof

1:00:16SPEAKERand then you zoom in on it on the plane,

1:00:18SPEAKERyou buzz it on the plane and you're like,

1:00:20SPEAKERoh, that's, yeah, the computer got that one wrong.

1:00:22SPEAKER- Yes, this is an example of the good type of future to me.

1:00:27SPEAKERThis is--

1:00:28SPEAKER- Yeah, this is what we all crave.

1:00:29SPEAKER- This is a harmless manifestation of weird future tech,

1:00:32SPEAKERnot the much more harmful variants that are out there.

1:00:35SPEAKERThe last one I'll mention that I saw was

1:00:38SPEAKERsomebody posted a bunch of photos up close

1:00:40SPEAKERof some spots in Southern California around LA

1:00:43SPEAKERand said that apparently the terrain generating algorithm

1:00:46SPEAKERhas no idea what to do with palm trees.

1:00:49SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I can see that.

1:00:50SPEAKER- And instead of palm trees,

1:00:51SPEAKERit just inserted these like ghastly,

1:00:54SPEAKERlike jagged looking obelisks poking out of the earth,

1:00:57SPEAKERlike literally just these like onyx like teeth,

1:01:01SPEAKERjust gross looking like black sharp rocks sticking out

1:01:04SPEAKERof them, like lined all down like fricking Santa Monica,

1:01:08SPEAKERSanta Monica, or whatever.

1:01:10SPEAKER- Are you sure that's not like a long now monument

1:01:13SPEAKERthat shows you which way to avoid the nuclear?

1:01:17SPEAKERThat's an episode we have to do.

1:01:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:20SPEAKER- Is like, how do you make a monument

1:01:21SPEAKERthat sort of survives the English language

1:01:23SPEAKERthat tells people to stay away from the nuclear waste dump?

1:01:25SPEAKER- I love that stuff.

1:01:26SPEAKERLike, yeah, kind of universal pictogram type stuff.

1:01:29SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

1:01:30SPEAKER- How will future peoples that are completely disconnected

1:01:33SPEAKERfrom our civilization.

1:01:35SPEAKER- Esperanto.

1:01:36SPEAKER- Mentally process information, yeah.

1:01:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so on the subject of the evacuation stuff,

1:01:43SPEAKERif people, I know that we have people in the audience

1:01:45SPEAKERwho've had to evacuate because of hurricanes or fires

1:01:47SPEAKERor whatever in the past.

1:01:49SPEAKERIf you have suggestions, things that we've not thought

1:01:51SPEAKERabout, obviously like stuff like tents and sleeping bags

1:01:55SPEAKERseem like they would make sense depending

1:01:56SPEAKERon the individual situations, but yeah,

1:02:00SPEAKERholler and send an email to techpod@content.town

1:02:03SPEAKERif we miss stuff and we will add them back.

1:02:07SPEAKER- Probably next week is the reader mail episode.

1:02:12SPEAKER- Yes, it totally is.

1:02:13SPEAKER- So that would be a great, great kickoff,

1:02:15SPEAKERa great uplifting kickoff for next week.

1:02:16SPEAKERBut I think like the disaster preparedness episode,

1:02:20SPEAKERthis stuff is easier if you think about it in advance

1:02:23SPEAKERwhen you need it.

1:02:24SPEAKER- Nobody wants to think about it until they have to,

1:02:26SPEAKERbut it's a good idea.

1:02:27SPEAKER- Yeah, like I think we're gonna make a list

1:02:30SPEAKERso that if we find out we have six hours,

1:02:33SPEAKERthen we can actually take advantage of the six hours

1:02:35SPEAKERand get out on the early side of six hours

1:02:37SPEAKERrather than waiting until the last minute.

1:02:39SPEAKER- Yeah, that's smart.

1:02:40SPEAKERI think it's, I feel like it's really a sign of the times.

1:02:42SPEAKERYou guys are one of three families that we know

1:02:46SPEAKERthat all spread out in very different parts of this area

1:02:49SPEAKERwho are all on the-

1:02:52SPEAKER- Like just to be clear, we're not in immediate.

1:02:55SPEAKERWe're not in any kind of immediate.

1:02:56SPEAKERLike we have it very easy compared to everybody else,

1:02:58SPEAKERbut like starting to think about that stuff is not ideal.

1:03:02SPEAKER- One of our friends sent us a photo

1:03:03SPEAKERthey took out their front door

1:03:04SPEAKERand you can see the fire off a mile or two away.

1:03:08SPEAKERYou can literally see the flames on the horizon.

1:03:10SPEAKER- We're nowhere near that now, which is good.

1:03:14SPEAKER- It's an interesting time.

1:03:16SPEAKER- Always, I hate fire season.

1:03:20SPEAKERThe thing I realized that we need to do,

1:03:23SPEAKERwe need a what happens when we get 1,000 patrons goal, Brad?

1:03:28SPEAKER- Party hats.

1:03:29SPEAKER- Party hats for everybody, all 1,000 people?

1:03:31SPEAKER- Noisemakers.

1:03:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:33SPEAKER- Let's just ship them out.

1:03:35SPEAKERLet's see if we can do it a 1,000 person jitsy call.

1:03:38SPEAKERJust get everybody in there to put on their party hats

1:03:40SPEAKERand make a wish at the same time.

1:03:42SPEAKER- That actually sounds really good.

1:03:43SPEAKERI was thinking we should do a book club episode.

1:03:47SPEAKER- Yeah, we've talked about that a little bit.

1:03:51SPEAKER- I learned once upon a time

1:03:53SPEAKERduring a failed cold open a few weeks ago

1:03:55SPEAKERthat you have never read "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."

1:03:59SPEAKER- It is true, it is shameful.

1:04:02SPEAKEROne of my dad's friends, one of my parents' friends

1:04:05SPEAKERgave me a copy of that book

1:04:06SPEAKERwhen I was probably 12 years old.

1:04:08SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like the right age.

1:04:10SPEAKER- It was exactly, it was a formative book for me.

1:04:13SPEAKERIt shaped my opinion of journalism and politics

1:04:15SPEAKERand technology and all this other stuff.

1:04:18SPEAKERDouglas Adams, absolute genius.

1:04:22SPEAKERI'm really interested to see how that book lands

1:04:24SPEAKERto somebody who is not 12 years old.

1:04:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm also curious about that

1:04:27SPEAKER'cause I have had similar experiences

1:04:29SPEAKERwith other kind of revered childhood sorts of properties

1:04:35SPEAKERthat didn't land especially well.

1:04:37SPEAKERThis is not in any way comparable, I don't think,

1:04:39SPEAKERbut the Goonies, for example.

1:04:41SPEAKER- So I saw Goonies a couple of weeks ago for the first time.

1:04:43SPEAKER- Really? - Yeah.

1:04:44SPEAKER- No kidding, I saw it in my 20s.

1:04:47SPEAKERYeah, it was okay.

1:04:49SPEAKER- It probably landed for me

1:04:51SPEAKERbecause I have a kid that's in the age for that

1:04:53SPEAKERand that makes you more able to see stuff through their eyes.

1:04:56SPEAKER- You can live a bit vicariously there,

1:04:58SPEAKERbut also not to say that Goonies is on the same level

1:05:01SPEAKERof kind of sociopolitical relevance as Hitchhiker's Guide.

1:05:08SPEAKER- No, not in terms of sociopolitical relevance,

1:05:10SPEAKERbut in terms of like, I mean, yeah.

1:05:14SPEAKER- Being a formative piece of media,

1:05:16SPEAKERlike something that people look back on very fondly.

1:05:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's true.

1:05:20SPEAKER- It's similar in that respect, but yeah,

1:05:26SPEAKERI should read that book.

1:05:27SPEAKER- So we're at 956 patrons right now,

1:05:30SPEAKERpatrons right now, sorry.

1:05:33SPEAKERAnd I think when we hit 1,000,

1:05:35SPEAKERwe should do a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy book club

1:05:41SPEAKERepisode where we,

1:05:42SPEAKER'cause I haven't read the book in probably 10 years.

1:05:44SPEAKERWe're approaching the time

1:05:45SPEAKERthat I'm gonna introduce my daughter to it

1:05:46SPEAKERwhen she's a couple of years older.

1:05:48SPEAKERAnd I'm curious what your takeaway is.

1:05:50SPEAKER- I've got a copy.

1:05:52SPEAKERYears ago, this came out.

1:05:53SPEAKERI'd mentioned it to somebody and they bought me-

1:05:56SPEAKER- It was shocking.

1:05:57SPEAKER- They bought me, I mean, there were what,

1:05:58SPEAKERfive in total, four?

1:06:01SPEAKERSomething like that. - Five total.

1:06:03SPEAKER- They bought me a single, oh, go ahead.

1:06:06SPEAKER- He wrote four, he wrote one.

1:06:08SPEAKERDo you know the story of this actually?

1:06:09SPEAKERIt's a fantastic- - Not really.

1:06:11SPEAKERWell, maybe we should save that for the episode.

1:06:14SPEAKER- I wanna give just the barest hint of teaser

1:06:16SPEAKER'cause it's fabulous.

1:06:17SPEAKERSorry, I know we're running late.

1:06:19SPEAKERNeil Gaiman wrote a book about this called "Don't Panic"

1:06:21SPEAKERlike 25 years ago before he was famous for being Neil Gaiman

1:06:25SPEAKERwhen he was a teenager.

1:06:26SPEAKERHe basically called Douglas Adams and was like,

1:06:29SPEAKERor sent him an email or a post letter or something.

1:06:31SPEAKERIt was like, "Hey, I would like to write a book

1:06:33SPEAKER"about the making of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."

1:06:36SPEAKERAnd the upshot is it was originally a BBC radio drama,

1:06:40SPEAKERradio play.

1:06:41SPEAKERAnd because Douglas Adams was one

1:06:44SPEAKERof the world's great procrastinators,

1:06:46SPEAKERthe episodes were literally being written

1:06:49SPEAKERwhile they were being recorded.

1:06:51SPEAKERSo like he would be writing the end of an episode

1:06:53SPEAKERwhile they were in the other room performing it.

1:06:56SPEAKERAnd as a result, there are, I think there's,

1:06:59SPEAKERso there's a BBC radio drama, there's the book,

1:07:02SPEAKERthere's a novelization, there was a TV show in the '80s,

1:07:05SPEAKERthere's the movie now.

1:07:07SPEAKERAnd then there was a dramatized cast recording

1:07:10SPEAKERthat was separate from the radio drama.

1:07:13SPEAKERThere was like an audio book version,

1:07:15SPEAKERbut an acted audio book version of the books.

1:07:17SPEAKERSo there's like five canonically true

1:07:20SPEAKERand completely different versions of "Hitchhiker's Guide."

1:07:25SPEAKERAnd it's just, it is,

1:07:29SPEAKERlike it was adjacent to Monty Python at the time.

1:07:31SPEAKER- Sure.

1:07:33SPEAKER- It was adjacent to "Doctor Who" and in the '70s "Doctor Who."

1:07:36SPEAKERIt's a, I love it, I'm a huge fan.

1:07:39SPEAKERI remain a huge fan. - I assume the novel

1:07:41SPEAKERis the version of record though, right?

1:07:44SPEAKER- I, you know, what I would recommend,

1:07:47SPEAKERif you are new to "Hitchhiker's Guide,"

1:07:48SPEAKERI would recommend you read the novel first.

1:07:50SPEAKERAnd then I would say, if you're still curious,

1:07:53SPEAKERburn an audible credit on the first radio series.

1:07:57SPEAKERAnd, 'cause the first radio series is really, really good.

1:08:02SPEAKERLike all the radio series are really, really good,

1:08:04SPEAKERbut the first one is especially notable.

1:08:06SPEAKER- But he wrote what, four followups, is that right?

1:08:09SPEAKER- So there's, yeah, it's "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,"

1:08:11SPEAKER"The Restaurant at the End of the Universe,"

1:08:12SPEAKER"Life, the Universe and Everything,"

1:08:14SPEAKER"So Long and Thanks for All the Fish" and "Mostly Harmless."

1:08:17SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:18SPEAKER- And there's this fifth,

1:08:18SPEAKERthere's a sixth partially completed thing that he died

1:08:21SPEAKERwhile he was writing called "The Salmon of Doubt."

1:08:24SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:25SPEAKER- That is, that's fine.

1:08:26SPEAKER- The reason I bring it up is that when it came out

1:08:29SPEAKERa number of years ago that I had never read it

1:08:31SPEAKERto someone I know and they went and bought me the like-

1:08:33SPEAKER- Omnibus.

1:08:34SPEAKER- The single volume collected works kind of version.

1:08:36SPEAKERAnd that thing is like the size of a phone book,

1:08:39SPEAKERwhich led me to think that it would be

1:08:40SPEAKERa massive undertaking to read.

1:08:42SPEAKERBut I guess the actual,

1:08:44SPEAKERthe book is probably not that long, right?

1:08:46SPEAKER- The actual books are like 300, 250, 300 pages probably.

1:08:49SPEAKERThey're not, they're not, they're good.

1:08:51SPEAKERAnd they're fast 'cause they're very funny.

1:08:54SPEAKERHe was a very funny man.

1:08:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I can budget time for that.

1:08:59SPEAKER- They're probably more relevant now

1:09:01SPEAKERin the world of smartphones and technical dystopia

1:09:04SPEAKERthan they were in the '80s

1:09:05SPEAKERwhen most people didn't know what a computer was.

1:09:07SPEAKER- That is, that's actually quite intriguing to hear.

1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah, so-

1:09:12SPEAKER- Here, let me just ask,

1:09:13SPEAKERdoes knowing through osmosis about 42-

1:09:17SPEAKER- No, it's not gonna make any difference.

1:09:18SPEAKER- Effect anything at all, okay.

1:09:20SPEAKER- Look, there's a thing in Mostly Harmless

1:09:22SPEAKERthat I save and have quoted that basically,

1:09:26SPEAKERthe basic gist, I'm gonna fuck up the quote,

1:09:28SPEAKERso I apologize in advance.

1:09:29SPEAKERBut the basic gist is that the only difference

1:09:31SPEAKERbetween a thing that cannot fail

1:09:34SPEAKERand that might fail is that the thing that cannot fail

1:09:39SPEAKERis the people who designed the thing that cannot fail

1:09:41SPEAKERdid not include any thought into what would happen

1:09:44SPEAKERwhen it fails.

1:09:45SPEAKERSo because of this, after some robot uprising or something,

1:09:49SPEAKERthey had to put a rule on every machine that says,

1:09:53SPEAKERthis device might may fail and here's what happened.

1:09:59SPEAKERHe saw the dystopia coming.

1:10:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:01SPEAKER- He may have gotten bits of it wrong.

1:10:03SPEAKER- Sure.

1:10:04SPEAKER- But in the way that Neuromancer feels weird

1:10:07SPEAKERwhen you read it now

1:10:08SPEAKERbecause it doesn't include any talk of cell phones,

1:10:11SPEAKERlike this does not because the fucking thing

1:10:13SPEAKERthat they use is basically an iPhone,

1:10:14SPEAKERlike the iPhone is the hitchhiker's.

1:10:16SPEAKERAnyway, you should read these books, they're good.

1:10:19SPEAKERJust read the first one.

1:10:19SPEAKER- I'll do it.

1:10:21SPEAKER- Thank you as always to all of our patrons.

1:10:23SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.

1:10:24SPEAKER- Very special thanks

1:10:26SPEAKERto the executive producer level patrons,

1:10:28SPEAKERAndrew Cotton, David Allen and Jacob Chappell.

1:10:31SPEAKERAnd thank you all for listening.

1:10:33SPEAKERIf you support the show through the Patreon, that's great.

1:10:36SPEAKERIf you support the show by tweeting about it,

1:10:38SPEAKERwe've gotten a lot of really good tweets

1:10:39SPEAKERthe last couple of weeks about things that people liked

1:10:40SPEAKERand were sharing with their friends.

1:10:42SPEAKERI love seeing those.

1:10:43SPEAKERIt's really lovely to see people telling their friends

1:10:46SPEAKERabout our goofy podcast.

1:10:48SPEAKER- Yes, it's incredibly gratifying.

1:10:50SPEAKER- And how many patrons do you think we have right now?

1:10:53SPEAKERI haven't looked in a day or in a week or a month.

1:10:56SPEAKER- I'm not sure, I thought.

1:10:57SPEAKER- 956 now.

1:11:00SPEAKER- That's a good number.

1:11:01SPEAKER- So we're 44 away.

1:11:02SPEAKERI maybe should have shot higher with the number of patrons.

1:11:05SPEAKER- We're not quite 42 away.

1:11:07SPEAKER- God damn it.

1:11:08SPEAKER- Just yet.

1:11:09SPEAKEROkay, we have to stop.

1:11:10SPEAKERSee you all next week.

1:11:11SPEAKER(upbeat music)