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39: The Eternal Optimist

2020-06-14 · 54:34

00:00SPEAKER- Like at what stage of your interest in a game

00:02SPEAKERdo you follow the subreddit?

00:04SPEAKER- Oh gosh, let's see.

00:07SPEAKEROn a scale from Destiny to Dota.

00:10SPEAKER- I think that's probably the high end of the scale for me.

00:12SPEAKER- Yeah, you're right, you're right.

00:15SPEAKERLet's see, single player games probably almost never.

00:18SPEAKER- Okay.

00:18SPEAKER- 'Cause you just kinda play through those and are done.

00:20SPEAKERI'm trying to think, like, yeah, it kinda has to,

00:22SPEAKERit has to be like a service game or an ongoing game, right?

00:25SPEAKERLike something you really wanna stick with

00:26SPEAKERand it has a lot of arcane systems to dig into.

00:28SPEAKER- But then some of those service games,

00:31SPEAKERlike I don't, I'm not on the PUBG subreddit

00:33SPEAKERbecause it's just people complaining about PUBG all the time

00:35SPEAKERand it's really a bummer.

00:37SPEAKERSo like, but like I love the Outer Wilds Reddit

00:40SPEAKER'cause it's fantastic to watch people share the moment

00:43SPEAKERthat they like unwrapped that game

00:44SPEAKERand understood what it was.

00:45SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

00:47SPEAKER- Like the fan art in there is really good.

00:48SPEAKERIt's like really like, it's like, it reminds that

00:50SPEAKERand the Breath of the Wild subreddit

00:52SPEAKERboth remind me why I like those games,

00:54SPEAKEReven though I haven't played them in kind of a while now.

00:56SPEAKER- Well, I might make a controversial statement here.

00:58SPEAKERNo offense to any Reddit users,

00:59SPEAKERbut I don't know that I would go to Reddit for conversation.

01:04SPEAKERI would happily go there for,

01:05SPEAKERI go there for tips for sure.

01:07SPEAKERIf I want, if I need to know how to do something

01:09SPEAKERthat I can guarantee that somebody in a subreddit

01:12SPEAKERis gonna know what to do in a specific case.

01:14SPEAKER- That's probably my primary use for Reddit at this point.

01:16SPEAKER- I mean, whatever.

01:17SPEAKERI'm sure some subreddits are perfectly fine.

01:19SPEAKER- Yeah, like I think Twitch and Reddit

01:23SPEAKERand kind of Discord follow the same rules.

01:25SPEAKERLike if you jump, or Facebook communities even,

01:27SPEAKERif you jump into like a Discord

01:30SPEAKERand there's 12,000 people in there,

01:32SPEAKERit's probably not gonna be a good time, right?

01:35SPEAKERBut if you get in there and there's like 1500, 1000, 500,

01:39SPEAKER200, probably gonna be fine.

01:41SPEAKER- Small communities.

01:42SPEAKER- Yeah, small communities are good.

01:44SPEAKER- That's the key for sure.

01:45SPEAKERGod, I got on the OBS, the Open Broadcaster Discord

01:49SPEAKERand tried to get some help at one point

01:50SPEAKERand man, I don't even wanna get into it.

01:54SPEAKERThey have the help channels broken out by operating system

01:57SPEAKERand okay, you tell me if this is uncouth or not.

02:00SPEAKERTechnically I was running OBS on Windows,

02:03SPEAKERbut my problem was very esoteric and very technical.

02:06SPEAKER- Was it related to the Frank encoder, Brad?

02:08SPEAKER- Yeah, it was about how OBS passes arguments to FFmpeg.

02:11SPEAKER- Yeah, but they didn't have a--

02:13SPEAKER- Which it doesn't expose in the logs, I had tried.

02:15SPEAKERBasically my question was,

02:16SPEAKERhey, can you enable debug level logging for OBS?

02:18SPEAKERAnd so I asked my question in the Linux channel.

02:23SPEAKER- 'Cause you said that's where the real nerds would be.

02:25SPEAKER- Yes, exactly, even though I was running on Windows

02:27SPEAKERand their standard operating procedure

02:28SPEAKERis to make you post your log

02:31SPEAKERbefore they will answer your questions.

02:33SPEAKERAnd when I did that,

02:34SPEAKERit revealed that I was running on Windows.

02:37SPEAKER- Wow.

02:38SPEAKER- It didn't go over well.

02:39SPEAKER- persona non grata over there now.

02:41SPEAKER- They were just like,

02:42SPEAKERseems like you're asking your question in the wrong channel.

02:45SPEAKER- Wow.

02:46SPEAKER- You need to be in the window.

02:46SPEAKERI was like, come on, man.

02:47SPEAKERLike, so I went into the Windows channel

02:50SPEAKERand it was like, it was that 12,000 person cacophony.

02:54SPEAKERLike quite literally, I mean, whatever,

02:56SPEAKERI'm not trying to integrate anybody's tech support needs.

02:59SPEAKERAs soon as I went in the Windows channel,

03:00SPEAKERthe first thing I saw was like,

03:02SPEAKERbasically equivalent to just how do I stream game good?

03:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:06SPEAKER- Like it was just a thousand miles an hour.

03:08SPEAKERPeople just, yeah.

03:10SPEAKER- Like my home assistant experience lately has been,

03:13SPEAKER'cause I'm still working on that ever so slowly.

03:16SPEAKERLike I'd go into the discord for home assistant

03:17SPEAKERand ask a question 48 hours later,

03:20SPEAKERthere's been every other question that's been asked

03:22SPEAKERin the channel has been answered.

03:23SPEAKERAnd they're like, no response on how do you enable logging

03:28SPEAKERor, you know, what's the proper procedure

03:30SPEAKERif you don't, can't get the right Python version for this

03:33SPEAKERor, you know, yeah.

03:34SPEAKER- Is it time to come up with a law for this?

03:37SPEAKERThe inverse relationship between size of community

03:39SPEAKERand quality of interaction?

03:41SPEAKER- Oh, yeah.

03:42SPEAKERI mean, I think that seems maybe,

03:46SPEAKERmaybe, and this is just a thought,

03:48SPEAKERmaybe giving every single person in the world a voice,

03:51SPEAKERnot the best idea it turns out.

03:53SPEAKER- Oh boy, let's talk about controversial statements.

03:56SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:23SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

04:30SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

04:33SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:34SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

04:34SPEAKERHello, Will.

04:35SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.

04:36SPEAKERHow are you doing today?

04:37SPEAKER- It's another one of these AM recordings.

04:39SPEAKERGot the morning voice going.

04:40SPEAKER- I like the morning voice.

04:41SPEAKERLike this is before I'm all scratchy and tired.

04:44SPEAKERI don't have,

04:45SPEAKERI haven't been talking for six hours yet today.

04:47SPEAKER- Oh man.

04:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:50SPEAKER- I just got some good sneezes out.

04:51SPEAKERSo I'm all ready to,

04:53SPEAKERgot the acoustics are all opened up in here.

04:56SPEAKERReady to talk.

04:56SPEAKER- It's funny.

04:57SPEAKERGina and I have exactly the opposite problems

05:00SPEAKER'cause by the end of the day,

05:01SPEAKERI'm just done talking.

05:03SPEAKERAnd by the end of the day,

05:04SPEAKERshe's desperate to talk to another adult human.

05:07SPEAKER- Sure.

05:08SPEAKER- And it ends up being like a considerable source of stress.

05:13SPEAKERBut we, a couple of things.

05:16SPEAKEROne, she started doing a thing

05:17SPEAKERthat requires regular conference calls.

05:19SPEAKERAnd two, we started doing like game night on Saturday night.

05:23SPEAKERAnd at the end of that, she's like,

05:25SPEAKERI don't know how you do this all day.

05:26SPEAKERYou just sit in here talking all day long.

05:28SPEAKERJust talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.

05:30SPEAKER- Sounds so easy till you do it, yeah.

05:31SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

05:32SPEAKER- Yeah, talking for a living, man.

05:33SPEAKERI don't know if you have like an hour count,

05:35SPEAKERbut I feel like past like three, four hours

05:39SPEAKERof talking a day, it starts getting,

05:42SPEAKERstart feeling pretty strained.

05:44SPEAKER- For me it's-- - Down in the vocal cords.

05:45SPEAKER- Oh, so I went to physical therapy for my vocal cords

05:49SPEAKERa few years ago. - Oh, right, yeah.

05:51SPEAKER- And it was maybe the best thing I've ever done

05:53SPEAKERbecause I remember I used to talk to you and Jeff

05:56SPEAKERabout that, like about when you go too long,

05:59SPEAKERyou'd start to get like tight,

06:01SPEAKERlike your voice spots would get tight.

06:03SPEAKERAnd she gave, the voice therapist gave me

06:06SPEAKERa bunch of exercises and stuff to do

06:08SPEAKERto both strengthen up the muscles

06:10SPEAKERand to prevent them from like tensing up and clenching up

06:13SPEAKERso they don't get in that bad spot anyway.

06:15SPEAKER- Okay, here we go.

06:16SPEAKER♪ Me, me, me, me, me, me, me ♪

06:17SPEAKER- No, no, no, dude, you gotta massage the muscles

06:21SPEAKERthat hold your trachea to your voice box.

06:24SPEAKER- What? - Yeah, so there's like--

06:25SPEAKER- Hang on, I'm trying this right now as I talk.

06:27SPEAKERI don't, dude, I don't think it's working.

06:29SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

06:33SPEAKER- Is this an ASMR podcast now?

06:36SPEAKER- Hello, welcome to the Big Bag of Nuts.

06:40SPEAKER- Whoa. - Scratch.

06:42SPEAKER- What have I gotten myself into?

06:43SPEAKER- Do you not know the Big Bag of Nuts?

06:45SPEAKER- I don't, what are we even talking about?

06:47SPEAKER- Oh, the Big Bag of Nuts is one of my two favorite

06:49SPEAKERgoofy YouTube videos.

06:50SPEAKERIt's just a big canvas sack of like peanuts

06:54SPEAKERand there's this woman with long fingernails

06:56SPEAKERwho just scratches the canvas 'cause it's like rough

06:59SPEAKERand it makes ASMR sounds that I don't,

07:01SPEAKERI still don't understand that one.

07:02SPEAKERThat, I think I'm too old for that shit.

07:04SPEAKER- It's right there in the name.

07:05SPEAKER- Yeah. - They delivered

07:06SPEAKERas advertised. - Yep.

07:08SPEAKER- Scratching a big bag of nuts.

07:09SPEAKER- Scratching a big bag of nuts.

07:11SPEAKER- Uh, great, what are we talking about today?

07:14SPEAKERWhat's the agenda this week? - It's been a rough

07:17SPEAKERcouple of weeks, man.

07:18SPEAKER- Yeah. - I don't, like,

07:20SPEAKERwe talked about this last week some,

07:21SPEAKERabout not wanting to really record a podcast

07:23SPEAKER'cause it didn't, like, you know.

07:27SPEAKER- Or more to the point, like, to start our usual fair

07:30SPEAKERbeing feeling kind of trivial.

07:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's inconsequential.

07:35SPEAKERIt felt weird to make inconsequential bullshit.

07:37SPEAKER- Yes.

07:38SPEAKER- Not that this is inconsequential bullshit,

07:40SPEAKERbut in the greater scheme it's inconsequential bullshit.

07:42SPEAKER- It is, it is.

07:43SPEAKERWell, we can be honest with ourselves.

07:46SPEAKER- And, like, at the same time,

07:50SPEAKERthis is gonna go up on the 100th day

07:52SPEAKERthat I've been in quarantine now.

07:53SPEAKER- Wow, wow.

07:55SPEAKER- Gina and I were talking about it the other day

07:56SPEAKERand, like, we haven't been in another building

07:59SPEAKERsince March 6th.

08:00SPEAKER- Oh my god, holy, wow, you guys are really going at it.

08:04SPEAKERThat's-- - Well,

08:05SPEAKERwe have other stuff going on, so.

08:06SPEAKER- What was your, well, okay, that's fair.

08:07SPEAKERWhat was your, what was your start date?

08:10SPEAKER- March 6th.

08:11SPEAKER- March 6th, okay, I wanna say--

08:13SPEAKER- You were, I think, a weekish later, maybe.

08:15SPEAKER- Well, about that, we were,

08:16SPEAKERI'm clicking through the calendar here.

08:19SPEAKERMarch 11th was our first day not going into the office.

08:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:23SPEAKER- But, like, I was in a grocery store three days ago.

08:27SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I haven't done that.

08:29SPEAKER- I've been in doctor's offices and stuff like that.

08:33SPEAKERI'm trying to think, well, I've been doing pretty well.

08:38SPEAKERObviously, my girlfriend is a frontline healthcare worker

08:40SPEAKERand is fully out there and exposed,

08:44SPEAKERso that's been a thing, of course,

08:46SPEAKERbut you guys are committed.

08:48SPEAKER- Well, it's, I mean, not exactly by choice.

08:52SPEAKERThe thing that-- - Oh, for the point,

08:54SPEAKERlike, that's just, that's a long stretch.

08:56SPEAKER- Yeah, like-- - Like, I could see

09:00SPEAKERa bit of stir of craziness maybe setting in.

09:02SPEAKER- Well, there's a weird, the thing that I realized

09:06SPEAKERhas happened in the last couple of weeks

09:07SPEAKERas we were talking before the show

09:08SPEAKERis that the things that I was doing

09:10SPEAKERand that we were all doing here

09:11SPEAKERto kind of keep ourselves fully sane

09:13SPEAKERslipped off in the last month of school

09:16SPEAKERwhen we were kind of getting through that stuff,

09:18SPEAKERand, like, we stopped going on as many walks

09:19SPEAKER'cause there were too many people out and stuff like that,

09:22SPEAKERand so now we're just here all the time.

09:25SPEAKERAnd yeah, no, I gotta figure out better ways

09:28SPEAKERto manage my quarantine time.

09:32SPEAKERI need to get back to doing VR games

09:33SPEAKERthat are, like, exercisey games and stuff like that.

09:36SPEAKER- I've got some ideas. - See some more sun.

09:39SPEAKER- Yeah, does the research or the common wisdom

09:42SPEAKERthat seems to be emerging about outdoor transmission rates

09:46SPEAKERhelp make you feel any better at all?

09:47SPEAKERLike, it sounds like transmitting the virus outside

09:50SPEAKERis very, very difficult.

09:52SPEAKER- Well, especially if you're wearing

09:53SPEAKERany kind of mask at all, it seems like.

09:55SPEAKER- Well, I mean, literal outdoors,

09:57SPEAKERlike, in the outdoors with, you know,

09:59SPEAKERproper, like, air, like, for exercise and stuff.

10:02SPEAKER- Like, because it's droplet-based?

10:03SPEAKERLike, we're not gonna run through a cloud

10:04SPEAKERand spit from somebody else and be--

10:06SPEAKER- I mean, I guess different areas are different,

10:08SPEAKERbut, like, especially around here,

10:09SPEAKERthere's so much wind being right next to the water.

10:13SPEAKERLike, it's just hard to imagine

10:14SPEAKERthat it doesn't disperse almost instantly

10:16SPEAKERwith the kind of air currents that you get outside.

10:18SPEAKER- That's a nice thought.

10:21SPEAKER- Call me the eternal optimist.

10:24SPEAKER- I often think that about you, Brad.

10:28SPEAKERYeah, it's, I mean, the problem we have here

10:30SPEAKERis that a lot of people aren't wearing masks,

10:33SPEAKERespecially when they're exercising and stuff,

10:34SPEAKERand the sidewalks are narrow,

10:36SPEAKERand, like, when I've been out on walks before,

10:40SPEAKERwe've had literal traffic jams,

10:41SPEAKERwhere in order to stay appropriate distance from somebody,

10:44SPEAKERyou have to just stop and wait

10:45SPEAKERwhile, like, people are chatting at the front of the line

10:48SPEAKERor whatever, and, you know.

10:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that even feels like the kind of thing

10:52SPEAKERthat maybe erodes the social contract ever so slightly,

10:55SPEAKERlike, the way you have to act around people

10:57SPEAKERto not go near them.

10:59SPEAKERIt looks very standoffish, right?

11:02SPEAKERLike, there's no way to not appear sort of paranoid

11:06SPEAKERand distrustful when you're trying to, like,

11:09SPEAKERedge around people without going near them.

11:12SPEAKER- Or, like, you go stand in somebody's driveway

11:14SPEAKERand wait for them to pass while they're 10 feet away, yeah.

11:17SPEAKER- On its face, it's just very oddball-type behavior,

11:20SPEAKEReven though it's necessary.

11:21SPEAKERAnd the point being, like, it just,

11:23SPEAKERlike, it doesn't lend itself to a sense of community,

11:25SPEAKERyou know, when you're visibly trying

11:26SPEAKERto keep your distance from everyone.

11:30SPEAKER- I have to do something about the beard,

11:31SPEAKERbecause, like, wearing a mask with the beard-

11:33SPEAKER- Oh, well, okay.

11:35SPEAKER- Makes the beard- - There's a functional reason.

11:36SPEAKER- Really, well, A, the mask doesn't work very well,

11:39SPEAKERbut B, it makes you look really dumb

11:40SPEAKERafter you take the mask off,

11:42SPEAKER'cause the beard gets pushed back under the mask,

11:45SPEAKERand then you have, like, a weird, like, dwarven swoosh there.

11:50SPEAKERIt's not good, it's not a good look.

11:55SPEAKER- What if you just made a mask

11:56SPEAKERthat fully accommodated the volume of the beard?

11:58SPEAKER- This was my question.

11:59SPEAKER- I mean, at this point- - Nobody does this.

12:01SPEAKER- At this point, it would be, like, a full burlap sack, but-

12:03SPEAKER- I'd, like, need, like, a little canvas cone

12:06SPEAKERfor my face hair.

12:08SPEAKER- I'm gonna make a proposal here.

12:11SPEAKER- Okay.

12:12SPEAKER- For everyone such as yourself,

12:14SPEAKERI know a couple other people who have been growing

12:16SPEAKERpretty impressive beards, quarantine beards.

12:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:19SPEAKER- As someone who also is growing their hair out,

12:22SPEAKERcould sort of committedly at this point.

12:24SPEAKER- I've seen anime Brad before.

12:26SPEAKER- I'm gonna, what if, what if we all just keep it?

12:29SPEAKER- Just never stop?

12:29SPEAKER- What if when things go back to normal,

12:31SPEAKERwe don't get rid of it?

12:33SPEAKER- I have a kind of important meeting in a week or two.

12:34SPEAKERI think I have to do something with mine,

12:36SPEAKERso they don't accidentally hire a hobo.

12:38SPEAKER- All right, fine.

12:39SPEAKER- I know. - Fine.

12:42SPEAKERYeah, I don't know, we don't have, like,

12:44SPEAKERa very directed agenda for this week's episode,

12:47SPEAKERother than, yeah, things have been pretty rotten.

12:53SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's the best word

12:54SPEAKERI can come up with the last few weeks.

12:56SPEAKER- PS5, they did a good thing yesterday, it seemed like.

12:59SPEAKERThat was nice. - Yeah, it was fine.

13:00SPEAKER- Nice distraction. - I don't,

13:01SPEAKERthe more I think about the look of that thing,

13:03SPEAKERthe less I like it.

13:04SPEAKER- Oh, I like the way it looks.

13:07SPEAKERI like, I like, look, I like, hmm.

13:11SPEAKERI like it's Georgia O'Keeffe-ness.

13:13SPEAKERI like the kind of, like,

13:16SPEAKERI like the two-tone nature of the thing.

13:18SPEAKERI couldn't tell which way the triggers on the controller go

13:21SPEAKERif they're PS4-style concave or PS3-style convex.

13:26SPEAKER- Look like they split the difference, I think.

13:27SPEAKER- So they're just kind of straight?

13:29SPEAKER- Yeah. - I'm okay with that.

13:30SPEAKERI just don't want them to go back to PS3.

13:34SPEAKERYeah, so, like, I thought, I thought that was fine.

13:36SPEAKERI thought that was nice. - It was fun.

13:37SPEAKER- It was nice to see,

13:38SPEAKERit was nice to see that Ratchet game

13:40SPEAKERand see them using the crazy fast loads.

13:42SPEAKER- Yeah, that game very much was like,

13:45SPEAKERhere's our technical showpiece

13:46SPEAKERthat actually tries to get across

13:48SPEAKERsome of what this thing can do.

13:49SPEAKER- Yeah, that was pretty cool.

13:51SPEAKER- That said, like, every game I saw in that presentation

13:54SPEAKERthat I'm really interested in playing

13:56SPEAKERwas like a multi-platform indie game.

13:59SPEAKER- That Deathloop, is it Deathloop?

14:01SPEAKERThat game looks dope.

14:02SPEAKERBill Tibbs' game looks, like, real weird and good.

14:07SPEAKER- Bugsnax.

14:09SPEAKER- It's always, yeah, it's always a weird thing

14:11SPEAKERwatching those, watching people talk,

14:13SPEAKERlike, watching those new releases

14:15SPEAKERand then seeing people's reaction to them

14:17SPEAKERfrom, like, 45 seconds or a minute and a half

14:20SPEAKERor two minutes of, at least they were showing gameplay.

14:23SPEAKERSo props to PlayStation for showing some gameplay.

14:27SPEAKERLike, seeing fandom arise,

14:29SPEAKERthat's why I was thinking about Reddit yesterday,

14:31SPEAKERis like, seeing fandom arise

14:33SPEAKERfrom a 45-second snippet of in-game footage.

14:37SPEAKERAnd, like, I was like, I wonder if there's a Reddit

14:39SPEAKERfor the Deathloop game now, and probably there is.

14:42SPEAKER- I wonder if there's a Reddit for Bugsnax.

14:44SPEAKERI need to know.

14:47SPEAKERP. Tibbs, if you're listening.

14:49SPEAKERFucking way in the Bugsnax.

14:53SPEAKER- You gotta get on top of that stuff before the game's out.

14:55SPEAKER- Somebody already got there.

14:57SPEAKER- I'm sure it was them, don't you think?

14:59SPEAKER- Maybe, I don't know.

15:02SPEAKERIt is full of memes.

15:04SPEAKERIt's extremely full of memes.

15:06SPEAKER- That sounds great.

15:07SPEAKER- People seem to be into Bugsnax.

15:09SPEAKERI'm into them.

15:10SPEAKERI said it before, it's been a while.

15:12SPEAKERIt's been a while since the union of animals and food.

15:17SPEAKERBoar fruit.

15:19SPEAKERNonsense. - Literally, boar fruit.

15:20SPEAKER- Nonsense, cinnamonkeys and fudgehogs, have we?

15:24SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, anyway.

15:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:27SPEAKERYeah, so what are your coping strategies, Brad?

15:29SPEAKERYou seem to be doing better than me.

15:30SPEAKER- Oh, dude, wow, that is quite an assumption on your part.

15:34SPEAKER- Well, you know, I think it's a week by week thing,

15:38SPEAKERprobably.

15:39SPEAKER- I do my best to put on a good front, let's say.

15:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:42SPEAKER- As much as possible.

15:43SPEAKER- Yeah, front.

15:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I'd,

15:47SPEAKERmaybe I'd try to hew a little too closely

15:49SPEAKERto the mission statement of this podcast

15:51SPEAKERand make everything tech related,

15:52SPEAKERbut I do have some apps

15:55SPEAKERand some gadgets that tie into this topic.

15:59SPEAKER- An app for every, there's an app for that?

16:01SPEAKERIs that what you're saying?

16:02SPEAKER- That could, yes, there very well could be an app for that.

16:04SPEAKER- There's an app for crippling quarantine depression.

16:06SPEAKEROkay, great, let's, let's.

16:09SPEAKER- Oh, dude, there have to be some valley VC

16:13SPEAKERhas to be funding some opportunistic,

16:15SPEAKERlike there has to be a cottage industry

16:19SPEAKERof quarantine apps popping up at this point, right?

16:21SPEAKER- I mean, there's that campfire thing

16:23SPEAKERthat's like chat rooms with it's like a discord,

16:26SPEAKERbut all video.

16:28SPEAKER- Huh, interesting.

16:30SPEAKER- There's all of the meditation apps

16:32SPEAKERthat I've ever had on my phone sent me an email

16:34SPEAKERto let me know that they were free during the Rona,

16:36SPEAKERwhich was nice.

16:36SPEAKER- Oh, interesting, okay.

16:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:38SPEAKER- Well, crap, meditation app is one of the things

16:40SPEAKERI was gonna talk about here,

16:41SPEAKERbut maybe that's old hat at this point.

16:43SPEAKER- No, I like, if you have one you like, I'm into it.

16:45SPEAKEREvery, all of them I've ever tried,

16:47SPEAKERI found kind of like, I didn't,

16:49SPEAKERI was better off just sitting quietly by myself

16:51SPEAKERlistening to some like weird new age music or something.

16:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I could see that.

16:56SPEAKERI mean, I guess it depends on how different people

16:58SPEAKERwant to engage with that sort of thing.

17:02SPEAKERI'm gonna open up my iPad here real fast.

17:06SPEAKERI mean, the different categories to me

17:10SPEAKERare meditation is good, exercise is good,

17:16SPEAKERblue light is good.

17:19SPEAKER- Okay, blue light, really?

17:20SPEAKER- Blue light.

17:21SPEAKER- Like K-Mart?

17:23SPEAKER- Not that kind of, well, you know what?

17:25SPEAKERGetting a good deal does make you pretty happy, right?

17:27SPEAKER(laughing)

17:29SPEAKER- Yes.

17:29SPEAKER- You jump on the right blue light special,

17:31SPEAKERthen your day is made.

17:33SPEAKER- Man, one time I got a bag of Rolos for 69 cents.

17:35SPEAKERI was really excited.

17:36SPEAKER- That's incredible, man, it's a deal in a century.

17:40SPEAKERYeah, like I don't know a lot about the clinical aspect

17:44SPEAKERof this, but it was recommended to me by a professional.

17:47SPEAKERBut there are devices out there.

17:49SPEAKERI've got a Phillips one.

17:50SPEAKERI don't know who else might even make them.

17:51SPEAKERBut if you Google Phillips, you know,

17:53SPEAKERlike the, are they Scandinavian?

17:56SPEAKERThe light companies? - Phillips.

17:58SPEAKER- You know, everybody knows Phillips.

17:59SPEAKER- No, Phillips.

18:00SPEAKERThere was a Phillips factory near my house

18:02SPEAKERwhen I grew up in Tennessee.

18:04SPEAKER- I could have sworn they were founded in like...

18:06SPEAKER- I thought they were, maybe they're, huh.

18:08SPEAKER- I thought they were like Danish or Dutch or something.

18:11SPEAKERAm I totally?

18:13SPEAKERHang on.

18:14SPEAKER- This makes me want to do a podcast

18:14SPEAKERthat's just like delving into the corporate history

18:17SPEAKERof these major companies that we all know and have known.

18:20SPEAKER- Yeah, they're Dutch.

18:21SPEAKER- Wow, huh.

18:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:23SPEAKER- Who knew?

18:24SPEAKER- Yeah, founded, yeah.

18:25SPEAKER- Wouldn't choose tulips and light bulbs.

18:27SPEAKER- Guess so.

18:29SPEAKERTo be clear, so I guess they have a whole range

18:31SPEAKERof these things.

18:32SPEAKERI'm not actually sure which model I have,

18:34SPEAKERand it was a little more expensive than you would think

18:36SPEAKERfor what is probably just a very bright blue LED.

18:39SPEAKER- Okay.

18:40SPEAKER- They've got a whole range of these things,

18:42SPEAKERand to be clear, they are not hue related.

18:43SPEAKERThey're not part of the fill-to-hue line at all.

18:45SPEAKER- Okay. - This is completely 100%

18:47SPEAKERa different use case from that.

18:50SPEAKERThe one I've got is a little,

18:51SPEAKERlike it's got a little flip out like kickstand

18:53SPEAKERto sit up on your desk,

18:55SPEAKERand it's just a rechargeable, like massively,

18:57SPEAKERlike insanely bright blue light,

18:59SPEAKERlike the same general tone of blue you get

19:03SPEAKERfrom the sun or from the sky.

19:06SPEAKERAnd it's supposed to be like a mood enhancing thing,

19:09SPEAKERan energy providing sort of thing.

19:13SPEAKER- This is the thing that my former Scandinavian,

19:16SPEAKERmy Scandinavian coworkers had told me about,

19:19SPEAKERlike the satellite.

19:21SPEAKER- It is, yeah, like it wasn't labeled that way to me,

19:24SPEAKERbut I'm sure it is absolutely a seasonal effective kind of,

19:29SPEAKERnot cure, but you know, like a kind of treatment.

19:31SPEAKER- Treatment, yeah.

19:33SPEAKER- But God, what was I gonna say?

19:35SPEAKEROh, yeah, like when it was first,

19:37SPEAKERwhen the idea was first proposed to me,

19:39SPEAKERit's, you know, I kind of had a lingering suspicion

19:43SPEAKERof it being kind of woo-ish, you know, kind of,

19:48SPEAKERbut at the same time, like every device on the market

19:51SPEAKERpractically now an operating system has some sort

19:53SPEAKERof like nightlight night shift type feature, right?

19:55SPEAKERLike the, I think that the cognitive effects of blue

19:58SPEAKERand warmer light are pretty well understood

20:01SPEAKERat this point, right?

20:02SPEAKER- I was at Org Camp one year and was in the line

20:05SPEAKERto have dinner, I didn't know the people around me.

20:06SPEAKERI, and when I don't, when I'm in the line

20:08SPEAKERto have a meal there, I always introduce myself

20:10SPEAKER'cause the people there are fucking amazing usually.

20:13SPEAKERAnd the guy that was behind me that I ended up talking

20:15SPEAKERto all the way through the dinner line

20:18SPEAKERis the person who made Flux.

20:20SPEAKER- Oh, wow, oh, I was an avid Flux user until,

20:24SPEAKERI see, actually, maybe I'm misremembering.

20:27SPEAKERI feel like I remember there was a little bit

20:29SPEAKERof a bitterness that everybody just came in

20:32SPEAKERand replicated Flux.

20:33SPEAKERHe, like, he had the idea, he did it first

20:36SPEAKERand then every operating system on the planet

20:38SPEAKERjust kind of took the idea and ran with it.

20:40SPEAKER- As he said, he was pretty confident in his ability

20:43SPEAKERto maintain a product, 'cause this was around

20:46SPEAKERthe time Apple rolled it into OS X.

20:49SPEAKER- Okay.

20:50SPEAKER- And he was like, I'm pretty sure we can maintain

20:52SPEAKERa product on top of what they're doing,

20:54SPEAKERbut yeah, no, that's not, doesn't feel great.

20:57SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, like, you know, it's,

21:00SPEAKERpeople understand how that stuff works, basically.

21:02SPEAKER- Yeah, but he, I mean, he was like,

21:04SPEAKERthere's real actual science behind this.

21:05SPEAKERIt isn't just, it's like, yeah.

21:08SPEAKER- And I mean, I can tell you from experience,

21:10SPEAKERthe cognitive effects of this thing are profound.

21:13SPEAKERThey're pronounced.

21:15SPEAKER- Okay, that sounds pretty good.

21:17SPEAKER- So it's like, the idea is basically it's supposed

21:19SPEAKERto make you feel more energetic, more upbeat, you know,

21:21SPEAKERit's supposed to just kind of lift your mood a bit,

21:24SPEAKERbut like the most obvious kind of like empirical example

21:28SPEAKERI can give is, I don't know if it's the intensity

21:31SPEAKERof the light or the specific temperature or both.

21:34SPEAKERFor one thing, I can only run it on the absolute lowest

21:36SPEAKERsetting any higher than that is like blinding.

21:39SPEAKER- When you turned it on, it made your webcam go like,

21:42SPEAKERlike a sixties cartoon where they inverted the colors

21:46SPEAKERor something, it was bonkers.

21:47SPEAKER- It is like, it's like the surface of the sun in here.

21:49SPEAKERIt's really bright thing on.

21:50SPEAKERBut what I was gonna say is you have to be pretty careful

21:54SPEAKERabout how long you use it, especially when you use it.

21:56SPEAKER- Okay.

21:57SPEAKER- When I first got it, I was like, oh, I was just,

21:59SPEAKERI just need to turn it on at some point during the day,

22:00SPEAKERright, like whenever.

22:02SPEAKERAlso for however long I want, right?

22:04SPEAKERSo like maybe the second day I had it,

22:07SPEAKERI turned it on for like 45 minutes

22:09SPEAKERat about seven 30, seven 30 at night,

22:13SPEAKERI was up to like two or three in the morning.

22:16SPEAKERLike it was like worse than any like pot of coffee

22:19SPEAKERI have ever chugged.

22:20SPEAKER- Well, that's unusual for you

22:21SPEAKER'cause you're usually in bed by like nine, nine 30.

22:23SPEAKER- We go to bed super early around here

22:25SPEAKERand like I could not sleep, man.

22:27SPEAKERMy mind was just racing.

22:28SPEAKERLike I could not believe how much that interfered

22:30SPEAKERwith my sleep pattern to use it that late so.

22:32SPEAKER- Have you ever used it during extra life?

22:35SPEAKER- No, I haven't done extra life since I've had it.

22:38SPEAKERI've only had it for a couple of years.

22:39SPEAKER- Okay.

22:40SPEAKER- And it's been a while since I did.

22:41SPEAKERWell, we've been doing extra life in the office

22:43SPEAKERfor the last two, three years.

22:44SPEAKERSo I haven't done like a 24 hour at home for a while,

22:46SPEAKERbut that would be like.

22:47SPEAKER- Guess what, Brad?

22:48SPEAKER- That is like, that almost feels like cheating

22:51SPEAKERat extra life if you just turn that thing on

22:53SPEAKERat like midnight one in the morning.

22:55SPEAKER- Yeah, like the three o'clock in the morning drag

22:58SPEAKERwhen you're there and you're like, ah, I'm so tired.

23:00SPEAKER- Yeah, so like it will absolutely keep you awake at night

23:03SPEAKERif you use it too late.

23:04SPEAKERAnd I even found I can't use it for more than like 10,

23:08SPEAKERmaybe 15 minutes max even in the mornings,

23:10SPEAKERbecause I actually feel myself starting to get jittery,

23:12SPEAKERlike over amped, kind of over anxious.

23:15SPEAKER- This is like when Superman's almost dead

23:19SPEAKERand like Wonder Woman carries him up above the cloud layer

23:21SPEAKERso that he sees the sun again and he comes back to life.

23:24SPEAKER- Right, it's kinda like it works.

23:25SPEAKERYou just have to be judicious with its use

23:28SPEAKERbecause it can get on top of you

23:31SPEAKERif you wanna go for too long.

23:32SPEAKER- It's funny you say this because like I definitely remember

23:35SPEAKERdoing October cast in the old whiskey basement

23:38SPEAKERand at like six o'clock in the morning

23:39SPEAKERwhen the sun would come up,

23:40SPEAKERI would take the headphones off

23:42SPEAKERand walk over to the front door and go out the front door

23:44SPEAKERand just stand and face the East for like five or 10 minutes

23:48SPEAKERand you'd like be good to go.

23:49SPEAKER- It works.

23:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it's amazing.

23:51SPEAKER- It definitely works, the brain is a strange thing.

23:53SPEAKER- We'll have to go outside today, that sounds nice.

23:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so I would think there have to be probably cheaper

23:59SPEAKERlike DIY solutions to this if you want.

24:03SPEAKERI'm sure you could Google some up, I haven't looked,

24:05SPEAKERbut the one I got, this Phillips,

24:08SPEAKERI'm not sure if it's part of the GoLite series,

24:11SPEAKERjust Google Phillips Blue Light,

24:12SPEAKERyou'll see a bunch of examples, but they're kinda pricey.

24:15SPEAKER- What's kinda pricey, like a hundred bucks?

24:17SPEAKER- I think this one was 80 or a hundred, something like that.

24:20SPEAKERSo it's like not nothing for what you're getting.

24:23SPEAKER- It's presumably a lot of very bright LEDs.

24:25SPEAKER- Yes, it is very much that, but it's rechargeable,

24:28SPEAKERit's very convenient.

24:30SPEAKERAnd I've had a pretty good experience with it,

24:32SPEAKERso there's that.

24:34SPEAKER- Cool.

24:36SPEAKER- Let's see.

24:36SPEAKER- What else you got, you got more tricks here?

24:38SPEAKERMore woo?

24:40SPEAKER- The, you mentioned meditation.

24:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I like meditation.

24:44SPEAKER- I do have one app that I, I'm with you,

24:47SPEAKERlike every app I have looked at,

24:51SPEAKERleft something to be desired one way or another.

24:53SPEAKERIf nothing else, they just seemed very expensive

24:56SPEAKERfor what you were getting.

24:57SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so the one that I liked was like $20

25:01SPEAKERa month or something, which was like,

25:03SPEAKERI could just pay for a real meditation class for that.

25:06SPEAKER- That's kind of insane.

25:08SPEAKERYou tell me, I don't know, that seems like a lot.

25:11SPEAKER- I didn't pay for it.

25:12SPEAKER- That wasn't Headspace by any chance, was it?

25:13SPEAKER- It was Headspace, yeah.

25:14SPEAKER- Headspace seems like the one that I see advertised

25:16SPEAKERthe most, which makes me assume it's the biggest.

25:18SPEAKER- Well, I mean, look, if they've figured out

25:21SPEAKERwhat their acquisition, user acquisition cost

25:24SPEAKERversus their revenue per user,

25:26SPEAKERthey know they're a beta versus there are poo,

25:29SPEAKERthen they can advertise, they can afford to advertise, right?

25:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.

25:36SPEAKER- I liked Headspace, the last time I used Headspace,

25:41SPEAKERI think I signed up for the free trial when I was going,

25:43SPEAKERwhen I had to drive to Portland for something.

25:45SPEAKERAnd I literally was on the way back,

25:47SPEAKERI was about to fall asleep in the car driving.

25:50SPEAKERAnd I pulled over to rest stop and put my headphones on

25:53SPEAKERand put Headspace on and tilted my driver's seat chair back

25:57SPEAKERand rested and then 15 people tapped on the window

26:00SPEAKERof the car wanting to know if I wanted to pay for sex.

26:02SPEAKERAnd that was not the most comfortable moment.

26:06SPEAKERBut then I meditated for like 20 minutes

26:09SPEAKERand was fine for the last four hours of the drive home

26:11SPEAKERor whatever.

26:12SPEAKER- Yeah, that's great.

26:13SPEAKERI'm sure it's a fine app.

26:15SPEAKERI doubt there's anything wrong with it.

26:17SPEAKERIt's just that it's kind of pricey.

26:19SPEAKER- I was just saying it is, at least last I saw it,

26:21SPEAKERmaybe over now, but they were giving a lot of time free

26:24SPEAKERduring this quarantine.

26:26SPEAKER- That's cool.

26:26SPEAKER- Which was nice.

26:27SPEAKER- That's good.

26:29SPEAKERThe one that I have found and stuck with,

26:31SPEAKERalthough I should to be clear,

26:32SPEAKERI'm terrible about sticking with meditation in general.

26:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:35SPEAKER- Every time I get into a good routine with it,

26:37SPEAKERit's like, man, why don't I do this all the time?

26:39SPEAKERThis is amazing.

26:39SPEAKERI feel so much better.

26:40SPEAKER- And then you take two days off.

26:41SPEAKER- And then I promptly make it three, four weeks

26:44SPEAKERand then stop again and it's terrible.

26:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:47SPEAKER- Taking care of yourself is a lot of work.

26:48SPEAKER- It's hard.

26:49SPEAKER- You have to exercise some discipline.

26:53SPEAKER- There's so many other interesting things to do instead

26:56SPEAKERis the thing.

26:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:00SPEAKER- I'm gonna pecking away at the console window on my NAS,

27:05SPEAKERprobably not helping my mental health.

27:08SPEAKERIt's probably the opposite.

27:09SPEAKER- I spent like an hour last night working on a case

27:13SPEAKERfor the Mr.

27:15SPEAKER- That sounds like a fun project.

27:16SPEAKER- That was, it is a fun project.

27:18SPEAKERAre you designing it yourself?

27:20SPEAKER- Yeah, so I don't think I'm gonna buy the USB board,

27:23SPEAKERI might, but I bought one of those $7 Maker Spot.

27:28SPEAKER- The Maker Spot one?

27:29SPEAKER- Or GG HUDs.

27:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:31SPEAKER- HUDs.

27:31SPEAKER- If you've got one of those, you're probably good.

27:32SPEAKER- Well, so the problem is four ports and I can't,

27:35SPEAKERI think I'm gonna, so I bought extender cables

27:38SPEAKERand I wanna make like a flat long,

27:41SPEAKERlike a eight inch by five inch,

27:43SPEAKERmaybe with some wooden, like opaque black acrylic box

27:50SPEAKERwith a USB on the front, four USB ports on the front.

27:54SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds great.

27:55SPEAKER- And then HDMI, ethernet and power on the back.

27:58SPEAKER- And then mount the boards to just the bottom of the case?

28:01SPEAKER- And mount the boards to the bottom of the case.

28:05SPEAKERAnd I have these, like you can get extenders with screws.

28:08SPEAKERSo I'll hold it up, but it's like a USB,

28:10SPEAKERlike you can get USB ports that have right there.

28:13SPEAKER- Oh, that's perfect.

28:14SPEAKER- So you just mount them up flush with the back

28:16SPEAKERand I'm just having to measure the holes

28:19SPEAKERand figure out where the holes go and all that stuff.

28:22SPEAKERAnd that kind of stuff is really satisfying for me,

28:24SPEAKERbut then if it takes too long,

28:26SPEAKERthen either I fall off of working on it,

28:27SPEAKERwhich is what usually happens,

28:29SPEAKERor like I get frustrated and move on to something else.

28:33SPEAKER- I'm sure like many people,

28:34SPEAKERyou have a graveyard of abandoned projects.

28:37SPEAKER- I mean, I usually come back,

28:38SPEAKERI'm usually pretty good about coming back to them.

28:40SPEAKERMy rule is if I don't spend money on stuff

28:42SPEAKERuntil I'm pretty sure I'm gonna finish it.

28:44SPEAKER- Okay, that's good.

28:46SPEAKER- 'Cause otherwise I would spend a fuckload of money

28:48SPEAKERon stuff that just ends up piled up in the garage

28:50SPEAKERand thrown out next time I clean the garage.

28:52SPEAKERBut yeah, so this one, I kind of got to a point last night

28:55SPEAKERwhere I was like, maybe I should just buy the USB board

28:58SPEAKER'cause it would be really nice to have Bluetooth,

29:02SPEAKERlike have four USB ports and Bluetooth,

29:05SPEAKERrather than just having three USB ports and Bluetooth.

29:08SPEAKER- What are you doing with USB ports?

29:11SPEAKER- Plugging in like the 8BitDo controllers

29:14SPEAKERor PS4 Dual Shocks or whatever.

29:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, four ports is like you could have,

29:19SPEAKERyou could have Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and two controllers

29:21SPEAKERfeels like a good, I don't know,

29:23SPEAKERmaybe unless you're planning to do

29:24SPEAKERsome four player stuff at some point.

29:27SPEAKER- So I don't need Wi-Fi 'cause I have ethernet

29:29SPEAKERin all the places I would use this, I think.

29:33SPEAKER- Like I'm with you, like instinctually,

29:35SPEAKERI feel like I have four ports, no way.

29:38SPEAKERThat's nowhere near enough, but then when realistically,

29:39SPEAKERI'm trying to think like what I would plug into a MiSTer

29:42SPEAKERwith USB and I can't come up with much besides those four.

29:44SPEAKER- Like probably the most people I would have playing

29:47SPEAKERis three would be my guess.

29:48SPEAKERAnd I only have three like classic key controllers

29:51SPEAKERI have 'cause I have the Genesis 8BitDo one

29:54SPEAKERand then two of the SNES pads.

29:56SPEAKER- Yeah, also you could just daisy chain a hub

29:58SPEAKERinto the front of the case, right?

30:00SPEAKERIf you needed more controllers.

30:01SPEAKER- I could do that, that's a good point.

30:03SPEAKER- Yeah, and then I could run the hub up,

30:05SPEAKERlike put an extension on the hub and run the hub.

30:07SPEAKERThat's probably the solution is that,

30:09SPEAKER'cause then the hub can sit in front of the couch

30:11SPEAKERand we don't all have to sit on the floor

30:12SPEAKERif we wanna use wired controller.

30:13SPEAKERBut like I was testing Bluetooth yesterday

30:16SPEAKERand I don't know that I really need any,

30:20SPEAKERI mean, I definitely need a USB port

30:22SPEAKERin case something jacks up, the Bluetooth gets jacked up.

30:25SPEAKERBut like, and I need to actually plug something in

30:28SPEAKERlike a keyboard or a mouse or a game pad

30:30SPEAKERto control the scripts and stuff.

30:32SPEAKERBut yeah, anyway, I do projects usually

30:36SPEAKERand it's with mixed results, I guess.

30:41SPEAKER- So I guess you're not getting out of the house much.

30:43SPEAKERDo you have a heat sink for your mystery yet?

30:45SPEAKERI've still got that one, it was gonna,

30:46SPEAKERoh, you already got one?

30:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I got one.

30:48SPEAKERWell, it came, my Portuguese RAM came.

30:50SPEAKERSo did I tell you, did we talk about this last week?

30:53SPEAKER- I saw you on Discord talking about it.

30:56SPEAKER- So I sent the guy a note about,

30:59SPEAKERyeah, I sent the guy a note two weeks ago,

31:00SPEAKERRicardo, who was awesome.

31:01SPEAKERHe was like, super helpful.

31:03SPEAKERHe was like, well, I can go ahead and send another one out.

31:06SPEAKERAnd then if the first one shows up, you can just like,

31:09SPEAKERnext time I get a customer near you,

31:10SPEAKERI'll get you to put it in the mail to him, right?

31:12SPEAKERWhich I was like, that's very cool.

31:13SPEAKER- That's a nice way to move it forward, sure.

31:17SPEAKER- I thought so.

31:19SPEAKERAnd I was like, you know what, rather than do that,

31:21SPEAKERlet's just, if it doesn't show up this week,

31:23SPEAKERlet's cancel it and I'll just buy it

31:26SPEAKERfrom someplace in the US 'cause everybody's in stock now.

31:28SPEAKERHe's like, okay, that sounds good too.

31:30SPEAKERSo I wait until the end of the week and I'm like, fuck,

31:36SPEAKERit's not here yet.

31:38SPEAKERI order from Mr. Add-Ons, which is in New York someplace.

31:43SPEAKER- Maryland, I think, isn't it?

31:43SPEAKER- Memory board, hmm?

31:45SPEAKER- Mr. Add-Ons?

31:46SPEAKER- Yeah, there are some place. - I think they're in Maryland.

31:47SPEAKERMaryland, I think.

31:48SPEAKER- Okay, anyway, yeah.

31:49SPEAKERSo Maryland, I get the order in,

31:54SPEAKERI get the shipment notification the next morning.

31:56SPEAKERAnd about 45 minutes after I get the shipment notification,

31:59SPEAKERRicardo is like, hey, your tracking number has popped up

32:01SPEAKERand is working now.

32:02SPEAKERSo it's probably gonna be there in a couple of days.

32:04SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh shit.

32:05SPEAKERAnd literally one came on Monday

32:07SPEAKERand the other one came on Tuesday.

32:09SPEAKERSo wow, who's the asshole here?

32:11SPEAKER- Oh boy.

32:12SPEAKERYeah, you just said, well, you got spare RAM now.

32:14SPEAKER- Like when that N64 core comes online,

32:17SPEAKERyou need two sticks of RAM, I'm good to go, baby.

32:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I haven't seen an update on that in a while,

32:22SPEAKERbut the talk has been that there's a possibility

32:23SPEAKERthat very well may be the case.

32:26SPEAKER- PSX core looking pretty good these days.

32:28SPEAKER- Yeah, it's coming along.

32:29SPEAKERSo maybe hang on to that RAM.

32:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

32:33SPEAKER- You've got blue RAM and red RAM.

32:34SPEAKER- I do, if somebody needs RAM

32:36SPEAKERand they live in the Bay area, let me know

32:38SPEAKERand we can make a deal.

32:40SPEAKER- Cut a deal.

32:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I know somebody.

32:42SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, all that said,

32:46SPEAKERInsight Timer is the name of the meditation app that I use.

32:49SPEAKER- Oh.

32:50SPEAKER- It's kind of a weird name for an app about meditation

32:52SPEAKER'cause it doesn't say anything.

32:53SPEAKERIt doesn't sound like meditation at all, right?

32:55SPEAKER- Do you get insights from it?

32:57SPEAKER- I guess.

32:58SPEAKERSo it's almost like a meditation marketplace.

33:02SPEAKERLike Headspace is a guy, right?

33:04SPEAKERIsn't it one dude?

33:06SPEAKER- It's unclear to me.

33:07SPEAKER- Maybe there are other teachers now,

33:09SPEAKERbut I feel like a couple of years ago

33:11SPEAKERwhen I looked at it, it was just the one guy.

33:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I think Headspace is funded.

33:17SPEAKERI think there's a team of people working on the app,

33:19SPEAKERbut yeah, I only heard the one person.

33:21SPEAKER- I'm guiding the meditations, I mean.

33:23SPEAKERYeah, that's what I meant.

33:24SPEAKERI'm sure there are people that work on the app, but.

33:26SPEAKER- I think it's venture funded.

33:27SPEAKERIt's a pretty big thing.

33:28SPEAKER- Right, right, right.

33:29SPEAKERBut it's just the one guy providing the lessons or whatever.

33:31SPEAKERThis, as far as I can tell,

33:33SPEAKERlike any teacher can get on this thing.

33:35SPEAKERLike it's, oh, when you open the app,

33:37SPEAKERit is just a full-on like storefront

33:39SPEAKERof people selling their meditation exercises.

33:43SPEAKER- That's cool.

33:45SPEAKER- But it's a full-on like self-contained

33:46SPEAKERlittle social networky thing, you know,

33:48SPEAKERwhere you can follow different teachers.

33:49SPEAKERYou can like like different episodes or not episodes

33:51SPEAKERor lessons or whatever you wanna call them.

33:54SPEAKERIt does have a pretty robust like timer

33:56SPEAKERand tracker kind of thing built into it,

33:58SPEAKERwhere it'll track like to the second,

33:59SPEAKERlike how long you've meditated.

34:01SPEAKER- How does it know that I wasn't cheating?

34:02SPEAKER- Per day, per week.

34:05SPEAKERLike I said, it's a lot of work to take care of yourself.

34:07SPEAKERYou have to hold yourself accountable.

34:09SPEAKER(laughing)

34:10SPEAKERYou wanna cheat this thing.

34:12SPEAKERLook, you're only cheating yourself, man.

34:14SPEAKER- Look, if I can't cheat myself, who can I cheat?

34:16SPEAKER- That's fair, that's fair with a beard like that.

34:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I need to get it braided once

34:22SPEAKERbefore we move on from this.

34:25SPEAKER- But I've, also a lot of it is free.

34:28SPEAKERLike it's free to download and there are free lessons,

34:30SPEAKERso you can get a good feel for how it works

34:32SPEAKERbefore you start putting money into it.

34:35SPEAKERI think they say it's like a 50/50 split,

34:38SPEAKERrevenue split with the creators, teachers.

34:41SPEAKERSo I don't know how that compares to the industry standard.

34:46SPEAKERI guess that's better than a lot,

34:47SPEAKERnow that I think about it.

34:48SPEAKER- 50/50 is really good, I would think.

34:49SPEAKER- That's not bad, right?

34:50SPEAKERLike at first I was like, man, that sounds low

34:52SPEAKERfor the people providing the content.

34:54SPEAKERBut on the other hand, it's like 30/70 for most, right?

34:56SPEAKER- It's worse than something like Patreon,

34:58SPEAKERwhich basically just charges credit card fees

35:00SPEAKERplus a small processing fee, or Crowd Tilt or one of those.

35:04SPEAKERIt's more than almost anybody else that has it.

35:06SPEAKERLike your YouTube split, your Twitch split, your--

35:11SPEAKER- App Store, like software, Steam, anything.

35:12SPEAKER- Yeah, most stuff is 70/30.

35:15SPEAKER- Right, so--

35:17SPEAKER- Not in favor of the, sorry, 30% to the platform and 70%.

35:22SPEAKERMaybe it isn't as good then.

35:23SPEAKER- Oh wait, no, you're right, you're right.

35:24SPEAKERI had that backwards.

35:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:25SPEAKER- It is 70% to the creator, right?

35:27SPEAKER- Usually, it depends.

35:28SPEAKER- Okay, so maybe 50/50 is not so great.

35:31SPEAKER- Yeah, no, now that we talk about this,

35:33SPEAKERI'm glad we had a conversation.

35:34SPEAKER- This is what happens when we record at 7.30 in the morning.

35:40SPEAKERAnyway, like I said, it's free to download.

35:42SPEAKERYou can check it out.

35:43SPEAKERBut there's just a really wide range of people

35:45SPEAKERoffering a very wide range of different styles,

35:49SPEAKERI guess I would say, you know?

35:50SPEAKERLike there's kind of religious tinged stuff.

35:54SPEAKERThere's like more standard self-affirmation type stuff,

35:58SPEAKERyou know, a lot of like body scan,

36:00SPEAKERlike physical type, you know what I mean?

36:02SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:03SPEAKER- I don't know how much you know about

36:04SPEAKERthe practice of meditation, but--

36:05SPEAKER- So I mostly do like the clear your mind of all thoughts.

36:09SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's just the full on focus on your breathing,

36:14SPEAKERclear your mind.

36:14SPEAKERI don't know what the, we're not exactly like

36:18SPEAKERcognitive scientists around here or anything,

36:20SPEAKERbut like what the term is

36:22SPEAKERfor just kind of excising conscious thought.

36:29SPEAKERLike, I'm having a hard time getting,

36:32SPEAKERI don't have like, I don't know,

36:33SPEAKERI lack the language to get this point across

36:35SPEAKERor to articulate what I'm trying to talk about here.

36:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:38SPEAKER- But I see it talked about also with like playing music

36:41SPEAKERor painting or things that require like a singular--

36:45SPEAKER- What do you add to that flow state?

36:47SPEAKER- Flow state, flow art kind of,

36:49SPEAKERI guess that's the most common jargon

36:51SPEAKERI've seen around this concept.

36:52SPEAKERBut like, yeah, things where you're like

36:55SPEAKERfocusing in mentally on a practice,

36:57SPEAKERon a repetitive motion or action or creative process.

37:02SPEAKER- It's also--

37:03SPEAKER- Like the anxious, the like voice in your head

37:06SPEAKERkind of constant treadmill sort of just like peels off.

37:10SPEAKER- Honestly, yeah, I mean, it's about finding something,

37:14SPEAKERfinding a way to devote 100% of your attention to something.

37:16SPEAKER- Right.

37:17SPEAKER- Is the flow state idea.

37:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:19SPEAKER- I mean, we talked about it a lot when Tetris Effect

37:21SPEAKERwas new 'cause the whole point of that game

37:22SPEAKERis Ms. is trying to induce flow state in people.

37:25SPEAKER- Yes.

37:26SPEAKER- But it's funny, we talk about it on Still Entitled a lot

37:31SPEAKERin terms of like the shop jam shop.

37:35SPEAKERLike if you're in a shop, there's always work to do

37:38SPEAKERthat's like the mindless work that requires

37:40SPEAKERa fair amount of concentration, but you can kind of like,

37:43SPEAKERyou can kind of get in the zone and just like sorting,

37:46SPEAKERlike almost every shop I've ever been in has a bucket

37:49SPEAKERthat you put in all the loose screws that you've pulled out

37:51SPEAKERand didn't put back into the right bins

37:53SPEAKERwhen you were done with them.

37:55SPEAKERAnd like going through and sorting that stuff

37:57SPEAKERand putting it where it goes is a really good example

37:59SPEAKERof like dealing with that mental log jam kind of stuff, so.

38:03SPEAKER- Right, like it seems like that kind of action

38:05SPEAKERseems very mundane and repetitive.

38:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:08SPEAKER- But actually doing it is pretty,

38:09SPEAKERit seems pretty beneficial to me.

38:11SPEAKER- It's like mowing where you're trying to like exactly

38:14SPEAKERline up the next track with the previous track

38:17SPEAKERso that you don't have any,

38:17SPEAKERyou have exactly the right amount of overlap, right?

38:20SPEAKER- Totally, totally.

38:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:22SPEAKER- So anyway, yeah, Inside Timer is the name of that app.

38:24SPEAKERIt's free to download and meditation, I think,

38:28SPEAKERespecially in these times is pretty helpful

38:30SPEAKERand this is gonna get started

38:31SPEAKERand find some teachers that you like.

38:34SPEAKERLike I said, there's everything from like,

38:37SPEAKERlike Buddhist monks that deliver lessons on there

38:41SPEAKERand like just the kind of full range of different types

38:44SPEAKERof content.

38:45SPEAKER- I like that it's different kinds of meditation too

38:47SPEAKER'cause that Headspace app is mostly just,

38:49SPEAKERit's basically just the mindfulness meditation

38:52SPEAKERwhere you're like, hey, clear your mind of all thoughts,

38:55SPEAKERfocus on your breathing, yada, yada.

38:57SPEAKER- There's definitely like a bulk of pure mindfulness

39:00SPEAKERtype stuff on here, but there's like,

39:01SPEAKERthere's a bunch that are specifically meant to induce sleep.

39:05SPEAKER- Okay.

39:05SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm scrolling through it right now.

39:07SPEAKERA bunch of breathing techniques.

39:08SPEAKER- Like David Lynch to lead you in transcendental meditation?

39:12SPEAKER- Oh man, that I would pay for.

39:14SPEAKER- You know his policy, right?

39:15SPEAKER- No.

39:16SPEAKER- He never takes interviews about his films,

39:18SPEAKERbut anybody who wants to talk to him

39:20SPEAKERabout transcendental meditation, he'll talk to him.

39:22SPEAKERI'm serious. - His door's always open.

39:23SPEAKER- Wow. - Yeah.

39:26SPEAKERMaybe we should see if we get him on the podcast.

39:28SPEAKER- David Lynch is a national treasure.

39:29SPEAKER- I would love to have like,

39:31SPEAKERif we were talking about two directors,

39:33SPEAKERI would love to talk to you about literally any topic.

39:35SPEAKERIt's like David Lynch and John Waters

39:36SPEAKERare probably number one and number two.

39:38SPEAKER- Sure.

39:39SPEAKER- Right?

39:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:41SPEAKERI could see it.

39:42SPEAKERDavid Lynch would talk about growing his hair out.

39:44SPEAKER- Yeah, and like, yeah.

39:46SPEAKERI mean, I hear that he can probably feel the hair grow

39:48SPEAKERbecause of the transcendental meditation.

39:50SPEAKER- Yes.

39:51SPEAKERJohn Waters from every interview I've read

39:53SPEAKERis also a heck of a character.

39:55SPEAKER- John Waters, I, anytime somebody

39:58SPEAKERwho's good at doing interviews

39:59SPEAKERdoes an interview with John Waters,

40:01SPEAKERI get so excited because he's such a delightful weirdo.

40:03SPEAKER- Yes.

40:05SPEAKER- And it's like-- - Very entertaining.

40:06SPEAKER- And he reached the stage about 20 years ago

40:09SPEAKERwhere he just stopped giving any fucks

40:10SPEAKERwhat anybody thought about him

40:12SPEAKERand was just like, you know what?

40:13SPEAKERI'm just gonna tell people what I think.

40:15SPEAKERAnd he's a wonderful human being.

40:17SPEAKER- Yes.

40:18SPEAKER- Or it seems to be, I don't know.

40:19SPEAKERHe may be a real dirt bag, but anyway.

40:22SPEAKER- I guess the only other app I've got is,

40:24SPEAKERlet's see, as I opened it on my iPad,

40:26SPEAKERI guess it's just called Seven Minutes now.

40:29SPEAKERSeven digits, seven minutes.

40:31SPEAKER- So you do, okay, you go into the basement,

40:34SPEAKERyou find a closet,

40:35SPEAKERyou take one other person that's at the party

40:36SPEAKERin there with you.

40:37SPEAKER- Yes, seven minutes. - And you turn on the app.

40:40SPEAKER- Seven minutes in exercise heaven.

40:42SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

40:43SPEAKERWas this based on that New York Times workout thing

40:45SPEAKERfrom a few years ago?

40:46SPEAKER- Yeah, so I don't know who, is that,

40:47SPEAKERis that who came up with it?

40:49SPEAKERI thought it was like some government fitness

40:51SPEAKERor health agency or something.

40:54SPEAKERI thought it was, I thought this came out

40:55SPEAKERof like science and research, not a newspaper.

40:58SPEAKER- I thought it, I think it did.

40:59SPEAKERI think the whole point of it was

41:00SPEAKERwe wanna come up with like exercises you can do

41:02SPEAKERin like, how can we turn the normal 45 minute workout

41:06SPEAKERinto a, or 30 minute workout into a less than 10 minutes?

41:10SPEAKER- It's definitely that philosophy of let's cut out

41:12SPEAKERall the rest breaks and just do a high intensity,

41:14SPEAKERyou know, interval situation.

41:16SPEAKER- Six minute abs.

41:18SPEAKER- Six minute abs, sure, something like that.

41:21SPEAKERI'm Googling it right now.

41:22SPEAKEROkay, yeah, there is something on the New York Times

41:23SPEAKERfrom 2013, maybe that's where it was publicized.

41:26SPEAKERThe Scientific Seven Minute Workout

41:28SPEAKERis the name of this article.

41:29SPEAKERLet me take a look.

41:30SPEAKERYeah, this is exactly it.

41:31SPEAKERIt's jumping jacks, wall sits, pushups, abdominal crunches,

41:36SPEAKERstep ups onto a chair, squats, tricep dips on chair,

41:39SPEAKERplanks, excuse me, high knees running in place,

41:43SPEAKERlunges, pushups and rotations and side planks.

41:45SPEAKERThat's exactly it.

41:48SPEAKER- This isn't gonna give you like aerobic stuff.

41:50SPEAKERThis is just gonna, I mean,

41:51SPEAKERit gives you a little bit of aerobic stuff.

41:52SPEAKER- There's some, it's not a, like,

41:54SPEAKERmy understanding of like cardiovascular fitness

41:56SPEAKERis like longer is better, right?

41:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:59SPEAKER- Like that's the kind of situation

42:00SPEAKERwhere you do need time to get the full effect, I think.

42:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's where you need to go on a walk

42:03SPEAKERor a jog or something like that.

42:04SPEAKER- Right, so like, this is not a catch all.

42:06SPEAKERLike you probably want to supplement it

42:08SPEAKERwith some more extended cardio,

42:09SPEAKERbut especially in these particular times

42:13SPEAKERwhen it's kind of not great to go outside a lot.

42:17SPEAKER- That seems good.

42:18SPEAKER- I've found like you can do this pretty easily

42:20SPEAKERin a relatively small apartment like ours.

42:23SPEAKERYou just need some hand weights and some space

42:25SPEAKERto do like jumping jacks and pushups and stuff.

42:27SPEAKER- A little bit of a wall,

42:28SPEAKERa little bit of free wall somewhere.

42:30SPEAKER- Yes, you need a wall to sit against.

42:34SPEAKERNow that I think about it, when you put it that way,

42:35SPEAKERlike that you certainly don't need the specific app

42:37SPEAKERthat I have in mind.

42:39SPEAKER- But like-

42:40SPEAKER- 'Cause now I'm searching on the App Store

42:42SPEAKERand there's a ton of them out there.

42:44SPEAKERBut this one has like the basic one that I just rattled off,

42:47SPEAKERlike the scientific one is free.

42:49SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, that's perfect.

42:50SPEAKER- It's just, you know, it's got computer lady voice

42:52SPEAKERand it just prompts you.

42:53SPEAKERIt's basically 30 seconds on, 10 seconds off

42:55SPEAKERfor each of those exercises.

42:56SPEAKERSo you do 30 seconds one, you get 10 second rest

42:59SPEAKERand then you do the next one.

43:00SPEAKER- That sounds good.

43:01SPEAKER- This just prompts you for those, you know,

43:03SPEAKERit just calls out like all the timings for, okay, rests,

43:06SPEAKERokay, now do pushups and that kind of thing.

43:09SPEAKERThere's a bunch of, I'm scrolling through here.

43:11SPEAKERI mean, they've got a bunch of like more specifics.

43:16SPEAKERThey have a seven minute cardio, seven minute core,

43:19SPEAKERseven minute booty.

43:24SPEAKER- Is that where you get the pirate's treasure?

43:26SPEAKER- Yes, I'm sure that's exactly the booty

43:28SPEAKERthat they're talking about.

43:29SPEAKER- Yes, you do your seven minutes and you find a chest

43:31SPEAKERof gold doubloons at the end.

43:34SPEAKER- Sweet.

43:35SPEAKER- I don't know how much these costs,

43:38SPEAKER20 bucks to unlock everything in this particular app forever

43:41SPEAKERwhich is, you can customize the workout

43:45SPEAKERso you can make them longer or like increase the number

43:47SPEAKERof repetitions or whatever.

43:50SPEAKERBut this one is made by, I'm never gonna find it.

43:56SPEAKER- We'll just post a link in the show notes.

43:58SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe just Google, or not Google,

44:01SPEAKERbut like this is on iOS.

44:02SPEAKERIf you just go in the app store

44:03SPEAKERand search like seven minute workout,

44:05SPEAKERyou were sure to find it.

44:06SPEAKERIt's got an orange icon with a big seven on it.

44:08SPEAKERBut yeah, like that's this kind of stuff

44:11SPEAKERthat I've been trying to hold myself to

44:13SPEAKERand doing a very poor job of it.

44:16SPEAKERBut like blue light, meditation and exercise.

44:21SPEAKER- I was doing--

44:22SPEAKER- Very important, important maintenance stuff.

44:24SPEAKER- These are good, this is good advice.

44:26SPEAKER- I was early in the pandemic,

44:30SPEAKERI was doing probably 30 minutes of like pistol whip

44:33SPEAKERor beat saber almost every day, probably five days a week.

44:36SPEAKERAnd I felt really spectacular.

44:39SPEAKERLike it sounds goofy, but like beat saber

44:42SPEAKERwith like some two pound wrist weights

44:45SPEAKERgets your heart going.

44:46SPEAKER- Oh, I bet.

44:47SPEAKER- And pistol whip is like secret lunge exercise, right?

44:51SPEAKER'Cause like when you get on the higher levels

44:52SPEAKERof pistol whip, like if you just do the low level stuff,

44:54SPEAKERyou'll never notice.

44:56SPEAKERBut if you do the high level stuff,

44:57SPEAKERit's a lot of like whole body left, whole body right,

45:00SPEAKERwhole body left, whole body down, whole body up

45:02SPEAKERkind of stuff to get around the obstacles in the path.

45:05SPEAKERAnd they've been doing a really good job

45:08SPEAKERof rolling out new maps, both beat saber and pistol whip

45:12SPEAKERhave like looked at how people are using it to exercise

45:14SPEAKERand are making the newer songs much more exercisey,

45:19SPEAKERnot necessarily more difficult,

45:20SPEAKERbut more like movement on the player's part.

45:25SPEAKERAnd like one day I played pistol whip

45:27SPEAKERuntil my legs were so tired, they weren't working.

45:29SPEAKER- Wow.

45:30SPEAKER- Like I've never in my life wanted to do lunges

45:33SPEAKERlonger than I had to do lunges,

45:34SPEAKERbut based on who was yelling at me

45:35SPEAKERto do lunges at the moment.

45:37SPEAKERSo it was a new thing for me.

45:40SPEAKER- I started to ask if you have an exercise headset of choice,

45:43SPEAKERbut is that just the quest by default for obvious reasons?

45:47SPEAKER- I actually, I like the five,

45:50SPEAKERthe index best for exercise.

45:52SPEAKER- Wow.

45:54SPEAKER- I got close cell face.

45:57SPEAKERI always get close cell face masks for headsets

46:00SPEAKERso that they don't absorb sweat and get-

46:01SPEAKER- That was my next question.

46:03SPEAKERHow do you deal with the sweating?

46:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:05SPEAKER- What are those exactly?

46:06SPEAKER- So they're like, it's like a closed cell foam

46:09SPEAKERwith a fake leather, soft fake leather, soft neoprene

46:12SPEAKERor something on the outside usually.

46:15SPEAKERVR cover makes the ones that I usually buy.

46:18SPEAKERAnd it's usually like 15 or 20 bucks for two of them.

46:20SPEAKERSo they don't last forever,

46:22SPEAKER'cause the foam gets squished down eventually,

46:24SPEAKERbut they do better with the moisture

46:28SPEAKERthan the default cloth or soft foam ones

46:31SPEAKERthat come on most headsets.

46:32SPEAKER- Is this a full replacement for the cushion

46:34SPEAKERon the headset or is it an insert that goes in between?

46:37SPEAKER- So you can get ones that are inserts

46:39SPEAKERthat you would use at like a trade show

46:40SPEAKERor something like that, that you just like stick on.

46:43SPEAKERBut the ones that I use at home are full replacements.

46:45SPEAKERSo those things are all,

46:46SPEAKERI think on the index they're magneted in place,

46:49SPEAKERbut on most of the other headsets is just like Velcro

46:51SPEAKERand you can peel them off and then stick new ones back on.

46:54SPEAKER- What is it about the index that you like better for X?

46:56SPEAKERLike I would assume that just by the lack of cords

46:59SPEAKERwith the Quest by default would trump everything else

47:01SPEAKERin terms of being able to move around.

47:03SPEAKER- Well, so with Beat Saber and Pistol Whip,

47:05SPEAKERyou don't really do a whole lot of,

47:05SPEAKERI mean, there are now turning levels for Beat Saber,

47:08SPEAKERbut if I wanna exercise, it's not what I play.

47:12SPEAKERSo you mostly, you're standing in one place

47:13SPEAKERfacing one direction, so the cord doesn't matter.

47:16SPEAKERAnd the thing about the index is the headset

47:19SPEAKERis balanced better, so they actually put extra weight

47:23SPEAKERin the back of that thing so that it's not as front heavy

47:26SPEAKERand doesn't constantly pull your head down toward the front.

47:29SPEAKER- Interesting.

47:30SPEAKER- Which when you're moving around a lot

47:32SPEAKERactually makes a difference, I feel like.

47:34SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

47:35SPEAKER- The other thing is that the Quest often,

47:38SPEAKERlike for me, the performance, the 120 hertz that you get

47:43SPEAKERin those games is much more comfortable to my eyes

47:47SPEAKERthan the Quest's slower frame rate.

47:52SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

47:53SPEAKERWould you consider, I mean, I know you're not

47:55SPEAKERan exercise therapist or whatever,

47:57SPEAKERbut at least as far as I'm aware.

48:00SPEAKER- I am not an exercise therapist at all, that's correct.

48:03SPEAKER- Would you consider, I mean, like I still need

48:04SPEAKERto play through Half-Life Alyx.

48:06SPEAKERWould you consider just a standard game like that

48:09SPEAKERthat you play standing, but it doesn't emphasize

48:11SPEAKERlike repetitive specific movements, it's much more random

48:16SPEAKERand kind of like up and down in terms of your activity level

48:19SPEAKERbut would you still consider that like some degree

48:22SPEAKERof valid exercise?

48:23SPEAKER- I think, I mean, you're standing, right?

48:25SPEAKERLike you're gonna get more.

48:27SPEAKER- It's like even standing is good for you, of course, but.

48:29SPEAKER- Yeah, so when I went to Valve and played for 10 hours

48:34SPEAKERover a day and a half, my legs were sore the next day

48:39SPEAKERjust from standing and like just squatting down

48:41SPEAKERand bending over and picking stuff up constantly.

48:42SPEAKERIt's like, you know how you clean out the garage

48:45SPEAKERand you get sore, you're tired after cleaning out the garage

48:47SPEAKER'cause you're doing stuff that you don't normally do.

48:49SPEAKERIt's kind of like that.

48:50SPEAKERLike I don't think you're getting,

48:52SPEAKERlike you're not getting aerobic exercise

48:53SPEAKERor anything like that, but like you're definitely moving

48:55SPEAKERaround more than you are sitting in front of your computer

48:56SPEAKERplaying Borderlands or whatever.

48:58SPEAKER- Sure, some amount of resistance is happening.

49:00SPEAKER- Yeah, you're up and down.

49:02SPEAKER- Gravity if nothing else.

49:03SPEAKER- And honestly, like the way the gravity glove works

49:07SPEAKERin that game, like my arm, like just the pullback motion

49:11SPEAKERthat you do, that thing, like my arm was a little

49:14SPEAKERlike not sore, but it was, I definitely felt it

49:16SPEAKERthe next day a little bit.

49:17SPEAKER- Is that like tennis elbow, gravity gun arm?

49:20SPEAKER- No, it was just like, it's a quick motion that you stop.

49:23SPEAKERSo like you're using both sides of the muscles

49:26SPEAKERand like in ways that I don't normally use them, so.

49:29SPEAKER- Sure.

49:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:32SPEAKERHey, this is completely off topic in a non sequitur,

49:36SPEAKERbut have you seen the Nintendo Game Boy hacking?

49:40SPEAKERAre you aware of the hacking scene around that?

49:42SPEAKER- Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's wild.

49:44SPEAKER- Dude, I had no idea.

49:44SPEAKER- There's some crazy stuff going on in there.

49:46SPEAKER- I had no idea that people were like basically

49:49SPEAKERlike replacing boards and replacing screens and.

49:52SPEAKER- Oh yeah, there's a big aftermarket case scene

49:55SPEAKERfor that thing.

49:56SPEAKER- Yeah, like building metal cases and stuff for it.

49:58SPEAKER- There's like, there's a lot of nice plastic

50:00SPEAKERreplacement cases, but yeah, people are machining

50:02SPEAKERactual metal cases for their Game Boys, Game Boy Advances.

50:05SPEAKERI don't think, I don't see a lot of the hinged models

50:07SPEAKERbeing replicated 'cause obviously that's a lot more

50:09SPEAKERcomplicated mechanically.

50:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:11SPEAKER- But I've seen like the original horizontal model

50:14SPEAKERGame Boy Advance, I've seen like nice metal machined cases

50:18SPEAKERmade for that and the screen mod stuff is like the focal

50:23SPEAKERpoint of all that stuff, right?

50:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:25SPEAKER- Making a better looking, more responsive, better lit

50:28SPEAKERscreen for the Game Boy is like kind of the thing there.

50:31SPEAKER- Putting like a really nice IPS backlit screen

50:35SPEAKERon a Game Boy SP, GBA SP.

50:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:39SPEAKER- It seems like a really lovely thing to do.

50:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know where that stuff is at.

50:43SPEAKERI was looking at it over the last couple of years

50:46SPEAKERand as of about a year ago, there were issues with like

50:49SPEAKERvertical tearing and latency on some of those screens.

50:52SPEAKERLike they had not quite dialed in the whole pipeline.

50:55SPEAKER- Okay.

50:56SPEAKER- And I'm not, I don't know enough about the electronics

50:58SPEAKERto say why exactly, but I think they're getting there.

51:02SPEAKER- Huh.

51:02SPEAKER- Like the last IPS model screen I saw come out

51:04SPEAKERsay it had some disclaimers about like, oh, you know,

51:07SPEAKERthey're this and this are not ideal on this thing,

51:09SPEAKERbut it's better.

51:11SPEAKER- So I found out about this 'cause there was a wired article

51:16SPEAKERa couple of days ago and it looks like,

51:18SPEAKERlike nobody's talking about that on the subreddit.

51:20SPEAKERSo I assume that there's probably some stuff on,

51:24SPEAKERsome stuff happening.

51:25SPEAKER- Like I said, this has been a while.

51:27SPEAKERSo there are very well, maybe better models out there now.

51:30SPEAKERI've never seen one in person.

51:32SPEAKERPeter Brown at GameSpot when he's no longer at GameSpot.

51:35SPEAKERSo I don't have the option anymore,

51:36SPEAKERbut he had done some of these mods

51:38SPEAKERand I meant to take a look at his first first hand,

51:41SPEAKERjust to get a good sense of them and never got around to it.

51:44SPEAKER- I think.

51:44SPEAKER- But even all the pictures I've seen of him,

51:46SPEAKERlike the I've seen side by sides of like,

51:48SPEAKERhere's my old Game Boy Advance sitting right next

51:50SPEAKERto this new IPS mod I just did.

51:51SPEAKERAnd like the, even in photos, the difference is striking.

51:54SPEAKERLike it looks incredible.

51:55SPEAKER- So bright 'cause like the screen thing

51:58SPEAKERthat I put on my GBA that my first sideways GBA

52:01SPEAKERwas probably the first thing I ever like took apart

52:05SPEAKERand changed rather than took it taking,

52:07SPEAKERlike I took apart stuff and clean contacts

52:09SPEAKERand stuff before that, but like taking it apart

52:10SPEAKERand having to carve out bits of the plastic

52:12SPEAKERto put the backlight kit out or the front light kit on.

52:14SPEAKER- Was that the afterburner?

52:16SPEAKER- Yeah, the afterburner was like, was terrifying.

52:18SPEAKERI was afraid I was gonna jack that thing up.

52:20SPEAKER- Sure.

52:22SPEAKER- And yeah, like it's cool to see people still doing this.

52:25SPEAKERI didn't, I had no idea.

52:27SPEAKER- Yeah, from what I've seen, like the difference in

52:28SPEAKERjust like richness and saturation of the colors,

52:30SPEAKERlike the depth of the blacks,

52:31SPEAKERlike it is an incredible difference.

52:34SPEAKERLike it's...

52:36SPEAKER- Well, there we go.

52:37SPEAKER- Granted, I don't have any desire to sit around

52:39SPEAKERplaying an actual Game Boy.

52:41SPEAKER- They're really uncomfortable to hold.

52:43SPEAKERThe GBA, the first GBA was maybe

52:45SPEAKERthe most comfortable handheld.

52:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I think sure.

52:48SPEAKERLike, yeah, sure, I think so.

52:51SPEAKER- I guess the switch with the grippy nubs

52:53SPEAKERon the corner is pretty good.

52:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:56SPEAKER- But like in terms of the old days,

52:58SPEAKERthe GBA was pretty okay.

53:01SPEAKER- Yes.

53:03SPEAKER- Anyway, I guess that's a show.

53:05SPEAKER- Okay.

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