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354: The Dog Nose Knows

2026-08-30 · 1:09:39

00:00SPEAKER- I think the best thing about getting the dog

00:03SPEAKERhas been that I have somebody in the house

00:05SPEAKERthat is always incredibly excited to go on a walk with me.

00:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a dog thing for sure.

00:10SPEAKER- Sometimes there's pros and cons.

00:12SPEAKERSometimes he's a little more excited than I want

00:14SPEAKERat like seven o'clock in the morning.

00:15SPEAKER- Sure.

00:16SPEAKER- But it's also kind of cool

00:18SPEAKER'cause it's like walking around the world

00:19SPEAKERwith a video game NPC.

00:22SPEAKERLike I've never had a dog

00:24SPEAKERthat really relished a walk before.

00:25SPEAKERLike when we lived in the city and we first got Chloe,

00:29SPEAKERshe needed to go on walks

00:30SPEAKER'cause that's where she went to the bathroom.

00:31SPEAKERBut that was very much a,

00:33SPEAKERI enjoy the going to the bathroom part

00:35SPEAKERand then as soon as she would finished voiding herself,

00:37SPEAKERthen she would like turn around and wanna head for home.

00:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I can identify.

00:41SPEAKER- Yeah, but this is like, he wants to go on adventures.

00:44SPEAKERHe is, Toby is 100% out in the world.

00:47SPEAKERLike I want to go see different things and like--

00:50SPEAKER- He's an adventure corgi.

00:52SPEAKER- He is an adventure corgi.

00:53SPEAKERLike we go out and I just kind of let him choose

00:55SPEAKERwhich way to go.

00:57SPEAKERAnd if the walk is not long enough

00:59SPEAKERand when he senses that we're back near the house,

01:01SPEAKERhe just kind of sits down and is like,

01:03SPEAKERyo man, I'm not done yet.

01:04SPEAKERThis isn't enough.

01:05SPEAKER- I'm not walked out yet.

01:06SPEAKERDoes he have free run of the backyard

01:09SPEAKERwhen he's not being walked or like,

01:11SPEAKERI can't remember, I haven't been to your house in so long.

01:13SPEAKERI can't remember, it's fully contained, right?

01:15SPEAKER- Yeah, the backyard's fully fenced,

01:17SPEAKERbut it also is a place where wild animals come sometimes.

01:20SPEAKERLike we have mountain lions

01:22SPEAKERand like we've never seen a mountain lion

01:23SPEAKERor a coyote in our backyard,

01:25SPEAKERbut I have definitely seen coyote leavings in our backyard.

01:27SPEAKER- Yes, we've talked, yes, okay, I forgot.

01:30SPEAKER- Yeah, no, and like, so he's not usually out unsupervised,

01:33SPEAKERespecially in like the evening or early morning hours.

01:37SPEAKERAnd also he's young enough

01:38SPEAKERthat like he still is in danger of digging.

01:40SPEAKERSo we don't want him digging up the garden

01:41SPEAKERor anything like that.

01:42SPEAKERHe's very curious about gophers,

01:46SPEAKERwhich we have a large problem with right now.

01:49SPEAKERAnd he's very excited about jamming his nose,

01:51SPEAKERhis whole snout down gopher holes,

01:53SPEAKERwhich seems high risk to me,

01:54SPEAKERbut like, I guess he has to learn somehow.

01:58SPEAKERBut yeah, no, he's very much like,

02:02SPEAKERthe thing that's interesting is

02:03SPEAKERhe's always interested in meeting other people.

02:05SPEAKERHe's sometimes interested in meeting other dogs,

02:07SPEAKERbut he loves sniffing things.

02:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, you know, dogs got noses

02:12SPEAKERand they know how to use them.

02:13SPEAKER- Yeah, he loves to do a good sniff.

02:15SPEAKERSo- - The dog knows nose.

02:17SPEAKER- Well, which nose is the nose though?

02:19SPEAKERIs it the nose, the K first or the N first?

02:22SPEAKER- The nose possessed by the dog knows

02:24SPEAKERthings is what I'm saying.

02:26SPEAKERThe dog knows, the nose on the dog knows.

02:30SPEAKER- Yes, okay, so there's one other thing about the walking.

02:35SPEAKERI get to look, when I'm walking in the evening,

02:37SPEAKERpeople are like doing stuff in their garage.

02:38SPEAKERWe've talked about Pacific garage hangouts before, I think,

02:42SPEAKERbut a lot of people turned their garages

02:43SPEAKERinto like impromptu rec rooms.

02:45SPEAKER- Okay, sure, weight bench, you know, kind of maybe a TV.

02:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the elliptical treadmill.

02:52SPEAKERYesterday, I saw a dog running on a treadmill

02:54SPEAKERin somebody's garage, which was really funny.

02:55SPEAKER- Wow. - Yeah.

02:58SPEAKERA lot of people have like fully decked out

03:00SPEAKERBay Area sports team stuff.

03:01SPEAKERSo you'll see like a Raiders or 49ers garage.

03:04SPEAKERAnd then there's always some, yeah,

03:05SPEAKERfootball or baseball game or something on.

03:08SPEAKERThe other day, I talked to some folks

03:10SPEAKERwho were completely sealing in their garage,

03:12SPEAKERlike doing drywall on the sides,

03:13SPEAKERwhich I've never had a finished garage before.

03:16SPEAKER- I don't know if that's a garage anymore.

03:18SPEAKER- Seems nice though.

03:19SPEAKER- It's just a room with a big door.

03:21SPEAKER- I think I'm gonna, I think I see

03:24SPEAKERon the Pacifica Free Stuff site all the time,

03:27SPEAKERI see people like getting their old kitchen cabinets.

03:29SPEAKERAnd I'm kind of thinking,

03:31SPEAKERmaybe I should sheet rock up the garage

03:33SPEAKERand then just hang cabinets on all the sides.

03:35SPEAKERAnd then, you know, all my storage problems will be solved.

03:39SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:51SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

04:07SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

04:09SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:10SPEAKER- I am Brad.

04:11SPEAKERI had one other thread for the cold open

04:12SPEAKERthat I decided to drop.

04:14SPEAKEREven the interest of getting this thing done.

04:16SPEAKERBut now here I am bringing it up anyway.

04:17SPEAKERWhen you described your dog as an NPC,

04:21SPEAKERit made me want to ask, can you pet the dog?

04:24SPEAKER- It turns out, yes, he's enthusiastic about petting.

04:27SPEAKERHe will walk up to you and like nose your hand

04:30SPEAKERwhen you're not being petted,

04:31SPEAKERwhen he's not being petted enough.

04:32SPEAKER- And in the popular game, dog ownership,

04:34SPEAKERdoes it let you pet the dog?

04:35SPEAKER- You can pet the dog.

04:36SPEAKERIt's not, this isn't a GTA like

04:38SPEAKERwhere the dog is just, you know, out there.

04:40SPEAKER- Good to know.

04:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:43SPEAKERIt's the end of the month, Brad.

04:44SPEAKERSo that means it is the time

04:45SPEAKERin which we traditionally answer the questions.

04:47SPEAKERAnd it's been a minute since you've been here

04:49SPEAKERfor one of these.

04:50SPEAKER- Yes, true.

04:51SPEAKER- So this is very exciting.

04:52SPEAKERI'm glad to have you back

04:53SPEAKERbecause there are a lot of Brad-focused questions this month.

04:57SPEAKERIf you, if you would like to email a question

05:02SPEAKERor send it into the Discord,

05:03SPEAKERyou can go send it to techpod@content.down.

05:07SPEAKERIt will be mixed in with a bunch of people

05:08SPEAKERpitching AI podcast business velocity tools.

05:14SPEAKERAnd we get a lot of spam on that address now.

05:17SPEAKERI might have to change the podcast email address

05:20SPEAKERbecause it's a lot of, it's a lot of,

05:23SPEAKERit's a lot of like business spam there.

05:25SPEAKERBut anyway. - It's bad.

05:26SPEAKERIt is real bad.

05:27SPEAKERI was going through my next lander email spam

05:30SPEAKERthe other day because like just enough,

05:32SPEAKERjust enough like emails from listeners to the podcast

05:35SPEAKERand like offers of review codes and stuff

05:37SPEAKERhave ended up in spam that I go through

05:39SPEAKERlooking for legitimate stuff.

05:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:41SPEAKER- There is just an unbelievable,

05:43SPEAKERand it has to all be AI-generated amount of like podcast spam

05:46SPEAKERlike your podcast could be doing better.

05:48SPEAKERTalk to us to make it so, you know what I mean like.

05:51SPEAKER- So my wife watches TikTok some and she asked me,

05:55SPEAKERshe was like, "Hey, I saw this thing the other day

05:56SPEAKERabout infinite business."

05:58SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh, let me tell you.

06:00SPEAKERLet me tell you about infinite businesses."

06:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I wish I had not heard the phrase

06:04SPEAKERbusiness velocity.

06:05SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gnarly.

06:08SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway, techpod@content.down

06:11SPEAKERor if you're in the Discord, if you're a patron,

06:12SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod, sign up.

06:15SPEAKERAnd then you get access to the question seeking answers

06:17SPEAKERchannel where you can post questions into the void

06:20SPEAKERanytime you have a whim or a hint of a question

06:23SPEAKERthat you feel like you might want answered by Brad

06:25SPEAKERand or me at some point in the future.

06:27SPEAKER- Yep, that's right.

06:29SPEAKER- We have a good crop this month.

06:30SPEAKER- Yep, as always.

06:33SPEAKERHere's an email from Big Head Mode.

06:36SPEAKERI don't think that's the real name, but I guess it could be.

06:38SPEAKER- I like Big Head.

06:40SPEAKERI feel like more shooters today need a Big Head Mode.

06:42SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

06:43SPEAKER- Was that debug for testing you think back in the day?

06:45SPEAKER- I don't know, I didn't think about that.

06:48SPEAKER- Like I assume it had to be

06:49SPEAKERwhen they were testing headshots.

06:51SPEAKER- What is the history of Big Head Mode?

06:53SPEAKER- I feel like the first time I saw it was GoldenEye maybe.

06:56SPEAKER- You know, if only there were a video game Wiki

06:58SPEAKERthat tracked conceptual aspects of video game design

07:02SPEAKERthat we could wary.

07:04SPEAKER- Yeah, if only.

07:05SPEAKER- To see.

07:06SPEAKER- If only that existed, what a magical tool a Wiki is.

07:10SPEAKER- What the first game was with a Big Head Mode.

07:13SPEAKERAll right.

07:14SPEAKER- Future episode.

07:15SPEAKER- Hang on.

07:16SPEAKERThat was me talking slowly while I clicked through

07:18SPEAKERto try to find out, I don't know.

07:21SPEAKER- Giantbomb.com/wiki/bigheadmode right now.

07:24SPEAKER- I'm not super versed in Giant Bomb's new current redesign.

07:27SPEAKERI don't, these games are presented alphabetically,

07:29SPEAKERnot chronologically at the moment.

07:31SPEAKERSo I can't tell you right now which one of these is first.

07:34SPEAKER- I'm just sending a harshly worded email

07:36SPEAKERto the proprietors over there.

07:38SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, all right, Big Head Mode writes an email.

07:42SPEAKERI think this is a followup

07:43SPEAKERabout our AI scraping poisoning talk.

07:46SPEAKER- Yes.

07:47SPEAKER- The niche audio site, Hydrogen Audio.

07:49SPEAKERHave you been there?

07:50SPEAKERI have, I will end up on Hydrogen Audio every so often

07:53SPEAKER'cause that is a very old hardcore audio forum.

07:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I've been there.

07:58SPEAKERI was looking at DBX solutions there one time for you.

08:02SPEAKER- Oh, I have a DBX story by the way.

08:05SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

08:06SPEAKER- My DBX story is the DBX has issued me a return

08:09SPEAKERto manufacturer authorization for that 286S.

08:13SPEAKER- Ooh, that's exciting.

08:14SPEAKER- And a shipping label.

08:15SPEAKER- They're gonna send you a new broken one

08:16SPEAKERthat you can then put on eBay or something?

08:18SPEAKER- It's going to a service center.

08:19SPEAKERSo I assume they're gonna try to fix mine.

08:22SPEAKER- Okay.

08:23SPEAKER- I'm not optimistic, but I have begun the process.

08:25SPEAKER- Okay.

08:26SPEAKER- They originally tried to bill me $110

08:30SPEAKERto take a look at it.

08:31SPEAKERSorry, it was 70 to take a look at it and 110 to fix it.

08:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like a bad deal.

08:36SPEAKER- And then I said, "This is still under warranty."

08:39SPEAKER- Wow.

08:40SPEAKER- And then they sent me a new work order listing it

08:43SPEAKERas an end warranty repair for free.

08:45SPEAKER- Oh my God.

08:47SPEAKER- I don't know if that was,

08:48SPEAKERit may have just been an honest mistake,

08:50SPEAKERbut it also made me wonder if companies sometimes

08:54SPEAKERjust do that hoping you won't notice.

08:56SPEAKER- Dude, I really liked my vet, but they sold us a,

08:59SPEAKER"Hey, pay for your dogs neutering

09:01SPEAKERand first year of care thing all in one,

09:04SPEAKERlike billed monthly over the course of the year."

09:06SPEAKERAnd you get all the vet visits you need,

09:08SPEAKERthey don't charge you.

09:09SPEAKEREvery time I go in to check out,

09:10SPEAKERI have to say, "Hey, I'm on the plan."

09:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:14SPEAKER- Why do I have to say that?

09:15SPEAKER- You would think.

09:16SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway.

09:18SPEAKER- I sent them the invoice that very clearly showed

09:20SPEAKERa purchase date within the warranty period.

09:22SPEAKER- I had to RMA a thing yesterday

09:24SPEAKERthat is less than a year old.

09:26SPEAKERThe product has been around for less than a year.

09:28SPEAKERIt has a two year warranty.

09:30SPEAKERAnd they were like, "Hey, you need to send me

09:31SPEAKERproof of purchase."

09:32SPEAKERI'm like, "Why?"

09:33SPEAKERLike this product hasn't existed for two years.

09:35SPEAKER- Yup.

09:36SPEAKER- Anyway, whatever. - Everything's great.

09:37SPEAKER- Okay, so they're fixing the GBX, that's a good sign.

09:38SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, Hydrogen Audio is a very old AI

09:41SPEAKERor audio form that like half the time

09:43SPEAKERI Google some obscure thing I'm trying to do with audio,

09:47SPEAKERI will end up on a thread from like 15 years ago

09:49SPEAKERon that form.

09:50SPEAKER- Probably where I learned how audio comp,

09:52SPEAKERlike not compression to make the files smaller,

09:54SPEAKERbut to make the sounds more even works.

09:57SPEAKER- Hydrogen Audio claims 30 to 40,000 requests per hour

10:03SPEAKERper AI.

10:04SPEAKEROn page one, they claim 12,000 non-logged in guests.

10:09SPEAKERThat's, you know, that's just the front of the forum

10:10SPEAKERwhere you just see a real time stat about how many,

10:12SPEAKERkind of roughly how many visitors they're having.

10:14SPEAKERThis is a site where a popular topic gets 25 posts.

10:18SPEAKER- That's insane.

10:19SPEAKER- Yes, a wild addendum to how widespread

10:21SPEAKERthe AI hollowing out of the web has been.

10:25SPEAKERThis site can apparently afford to eat the bandwidth cost

10:27SPEAKERfor no gain to themselves.

10:29SPEAKER- I mean, so the bandwidth cost for like a text site

10:32SPEAKERisn't that, isn't huge, but 12,000 non-logged in guests

10:36SPEAKERan hour is like more than we ever had

10:40SPEAKERoutside of like traffic spikes.

10:43SPEAKERThat's a huge number of people for a website.

10:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I think another crazy angle on this to me

10:48SPEAKERis how many different models could there be

10:51SPEAKERthat are being trained in the world right now?

10:53SPEAKERLike there's only, of course, I guess maybe in fairness,

10:57SPEAKERmaybe the big players are constantly training

11:00SPEAKERnew experimental models that never see the light of day

11:03SPEAKER'cause I was thinking, it's like, oh, OpenAI

11:05SPEAKERonly puts out a new chat GPT every year or something.

11:08SPEAKERLike there can't be that many like mom and pop AI trainers

11:12SPEAKERout there, right, but maybe it is mostly the big players.

11:14SPEAKERBut then again, they wouldn't need to scrape over and over.

11:16SPEAKERThey would scrape the data once and then just have it.

11:18SPEAKERSo who are all these requests?

11:21SPEAKER- Well, so yeah, the big players made copies

11:24SPEAKERof the internet a while ago and are training off of that

11:27SPEAKERso they don't crap up their training

11:29SPEAKERwith the garbage content that their models have created.

11:34SPEAKERAre you familiar with Hugging Face?

11:36SPEAKER- The name sounds familiar.

11:38SPEAKER- Well, Nvidia just bought them for like $12 billion.

11:41SPEAKERIt's their repository.

11:42SPEAKERIt's basically the repository for a bunch of models.

11:44SPEAKERIt's where people post their models, upload them,

11:46SPEAKERand then you can download them and all this other stuff.

11:50SPEAKER- The third link when I Google Hugging Face

11:52SPEAKERis on openai.com entitled The Hugging Face Incident

11:56SPEAKERand the Road Ahead.

11:58SPEAKER- Yeah, we haven't talked about that yet,

12:00SPEAKERbut OpenAI's frontier model

12:02SPEAKERjust hacked Hugging Face the other day.

12:05SPEAKERYeah, everything's fine though, don't worry about it.

12:08SPEAKERWe're not gonna talk about the AI.

12:09SPEAKERLook, we maybe need to do a news episode next week

12:12SPEAKERis all I'm saying.

12:13SPEAKER- Is that unrelated to the thing

12:14SPEAKERwhere a bunch of experimental models

12:16SPEAKERwere found to be communicating with each other

12:18SPEAKERoutside of the bounds of what they were scoped with?

12:22SPEAKER- These are all related and then Bill Gates posted his thing

12:25SPEAKERthe other day where he was in a podcast interview

12:27SPEAKERand said, "Hey, you know, maybe this is bad."

12:28SPEAKERAnd then all the big people that have made the models

12:31SPEAKERthat are maybe bad posted things that said,

12:32SPEAKER"Hey, you know what, maybe these are bad."

12:34SPEAKER- And I also saw, maybe relatedly,

12:37SPEAKERlike all the major AI players

12:39SPEAKERhave started petitioning the government saying like,

12:41SPEAKER"Hey, AI powered cyber attacks

12:42SPEAKER"are probably about to become a very bad problem.

12:46SPEAKER"We should maybe plan for this."

12:48SPEAKER- Our water boards and all the places

12:51SPEAKERthat are like critical infrastructure

12:53SPEAKERaren't anywhere near hardened enough

12:54SPEAKERor have the budget to harden themselves enough

12:56SPEAKERto protect against this.

12:57SPEAKER- Yeah, great. - Yeah.

12:59SPEAKER- Cool. - So yeah, that sucks.

13:01SPEAKERHydrogen audio was one of the other sites

13:02SPEAKERI had seen mention this.

13:04SPEAKERThere's a bunch of other, when that article came out

13:07SPEAKERthat we talked about a couple weeks ago,

13:08SPEAKERthere were a bazillion similar responses

13:10SPEAKERbecause what happens is like you or I

13:13SPEAKERcould spin up a local model

13:15SPEAKERthat then scans whatever page we tell it to go to.

13:17SPEAKERLike it makes kind of industrialized scraping

13:20SPEAKERreally, really easy, which sucks.

13:22SPEAKER- Yep, yep, yep, yep.

13:26SPEAKER- Fernando has a question.

13:28SPEAKER- Okay.

13:28SPEAKER- Recently, my adorable dog, Teddy,

13:30SPEAKERspilled a glass of water on my fancy keyboard.

13:34SPEAKERWhile I wait for Keychron to send me a replacement PCB,

13:37SPEAKERcould you please regale us with your tales

13:39SPEAKERof pet mishaps and disasters involving tech?

13:43SPEAKERAdditionally, please use your platform to shame Teddy.

13:46SPEAKERJust kidding, she's a good girl.

13:47SPEAKERTeddy is going to be the show art this week.

13:49SPEAKER- Teddy is very cute.

13:51SPEAKER- I am just pulling this image out now

13:53SPEAKERto upload into the podcast for him.

13:55SPEAKER- Teddy is not, Teddy did nothing wrong.

13:57SPEAKERNo crime in the Darth way.

13:59SPEAKER- Well, actually, not to keep derailing these emails,

14:01SPEAKERbut there isn't actually a good way to just pull an image

14:06SPEAKERout of Google Docs that just gives you

14:08SPEAKERthe raw original image, is there?

14:09SPEAKER- No, it's really stupid.

14:11SPEAKERI'll send you the file after this show.

14:12SPEAKER- Now that you mention it,

14:13SPEAKERI have never found a good way to do that.

14:15SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's an ongoing problem in my life.

14:19SPEAKERWhen Chloe was brand new, like three months old,

14:21SPEAKERshe used to like, I used to have a clipped subwoofer

14:24SPEAKERunder my desk as a foot rest.

14:26SPEAKERAnd when that clip, 5.1 speakers that was on,

14:31SPEAKERit was nice and warm, so she liked to lay on top of it.

14:35SPEAKERAnd I did something that annoyed her one day.

14:38SPEAKERAnd when I left the room,

14:40SPEAKERshe was laying on top of the subwoofer.

14:41SPEAKERAnd when I came back, she had pulled the black,

14:45SPEAKERlike, veneer off of a whole side of the subwoofer.

14:49SPEAKERI have a picture of that too,

14:50SPEAKERif you want that for potential show art.

14:52SPEAKER- That's also pretty good.

14:53SPEAKER- She definitely looked like she had done,

14:55SPEAKERshe knew she had done some shit.

14:57SPEAKERLike, she knew she was in it,

14:58SPEAKERand she knew she had done something really bad,

15:00SPEAKERbut she was still sitting there with her ears out

15:02SPEAKERand was like, "Oh, I'm sorry, Ted."

15:03SPEAKER- Actually, actually, hmm.

15:07SPEAKERLook, Teddy might have some competition for the show art.

15:10SPEAKER- We can do a split.

15:10SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

15:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

15:12SPEAKER- Well, I mean, at least speakers also kind of look cool

15:15SPEAKERwithout the, without the--

15:17SPEAKER- It looked like, hmm, black particle board.

15:20SPEAKERIt's not, or sorry, just tan particle board.

15:23SPEAKERI had to get another.

15:23SPEAKERThe thing is, like, you can buy a sheet.

15:25SPEAKERSo I just pulled the rest of the side off,

15:27SPEAKERbought a sheet of that stuff and put it into it.

15:28SPEAKERI mean, it was fine.

15:29SPEAKER- Okay, I've never been a fan myself

15:31SPEAKERof the exposed speacher cone look,

15:33SPEAKERbut I know some people like that.

15:35SPEAKER- Oh, no, so it wasn't, she didn't kill the--

15:36SPEAKER- Oh, you're not talking about the foam part.

15:38SPEAKER- It wasn't like the mesh part.

15:39SPEAKERIt was like, it was literally like the veneer,

15:43SPEAKERlike that kind of black veneer

15:45SPEAKERthat they put on top of the particle board.

15:46SPEAKER- I see, I see.

15:48SPEAKERI was less--

15:49SPEAKER- Pretty perturbed.

15:50SPEAKER- That's less aesthetically acceptable.

15:53SPEAKER- Honestly, what I did for a long time

15:54SPEAKERbefore I found out you could buy that stuff

15:56SPEAKERwas just turn the speaker around

15:57SPEAKERso that that side faced the wall, and then it was fine.

16:00SPEAKERThe other thing Toby did recently

16:03SPEAKERis he took a shot at Gina's MacBook power cord,

16:06SPEAKERwhich I was like, oh, this isn't that big a deal.

16:08SPEAKERAnd then I looked at what the replacements cost.

16:11SPEAKERAnd they do the thing now where the USB-C side

16:15SPEAKERplugs into the power brick,

16:16SPEAKERand then you have the MagSafe side on the other end.

16:18SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, it can't be that much,

16:19SPEAKER'cause probably the power brick's the expensive part, right?

16:21SPEAKERNo, it was really expensive.

16:24SPEAKER- Mm-hmm, I believe it.

16:25SPEAKER- I put it on Toby's tab.

16:27SPEAKER- I believe it.

16:28SPEAKERI believe that.

16:29SPEAKERI've got probably more guinea pig chewing incidents

16:34SPEAKERthan I can recount.

16:35SPEAKER- Oh yeah, they were.

16:36SPEAKERI mean, look, you can't blame them for that.

16:38SPEAKERThat's just what guinea pigs do.

16:39SPEAKER- That's fair.

16:40SPEAKERSome of them, anyway, yeah.

16:41SPEAKERWe let them roam the room,

16:45SPEAKER'cause they're shockingly conscientious

16:46SPEAKERabout not going to the bathroom where they shouldn't.

16:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I always thought that was cool

16:50SPEAKERwhen I came to your house and you just,

16:52SPEAKERlike, the guinea pig pen was open.

16:54SPEAKER- You'd be shocked that they also,

16:56SPEAKERall the ones we've had would also go out of their way

16:58SPEAKERnot to go on you unless they really couldn't help it.

17:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:02SPEAKER- Like that was just, they're weirdly,

17:04SPEAKERthey kind of, they have a place they like to go,

17:06SPEAKERand that's kind of that, but.

17:08SPEAKER- Rodents are pretty clean, generally.

17:09SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, more than you would think.

17:11SPEAKERAnyway, we don't need, I lost one expensive hard,

17:16SPEAKERor in fact, what turned out to be basically impossible

17:19SPEAKERto replace cable.

17:20SPEAKER- Oh no.

17:21SPEAKER- It was a nice mini HDMI cable.

17:23SPEAKERIt was nothing like, you could get other mini HDMI cables.

17:26SPEAKERIt's just this particular one was very fit to purpose.

17:29SPEAKERIt was 4K capable and was like very thin,

17:32SPEAKERand I was using it for an application where I needed,

17:35SPEAKERand it was right-angled.

17:36SPEAKERIt was like a combination of factors.

17:38SPEAKERIt was like finding all of these factors in one cable

17:40SPEAKERis like tough.

17:41SPEAKERIt was like 40 bucks.

17:42SPEAKER- Was it like coming out of the camera or something?

17:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I was using it for camera purposes,

17:46SPEAKERand that cable sure got destroyed, and I sure,

17:50SPEAKERand that company that made it sure didn't exist

17:52SPEAKERby the time it got destroyed, and I never got another one.

17:54SPEAKERIt's fine.

17:55SPEAKERI mean, I bought a cheaper one that still does the job,

17:57SPEAKERbut it's just like, ah, this cable did everything I needed,

17:59SPEAKERand now it's gone.

18:01SPEAKER- Honestly, I really wish that there was like a,

18:06SPEAKERfor right-angle cables especially,

18:08SPEAKERAmazon and even B&H are kind of bad,

18:11SPEAKER'cause it's really hard to tell,

18:13SPEAKERespecially in something like mini HDMI

18:14SPEAKERwhere you can't really tell from the angles

18:16SPEAKERthat they give you in the photos

18:17SPEAKERwhich way the right angle goes.

18:20SPEAKERLike the handedness is really important with that,

18:22SPEAKER'cause if you get the wrong one, it's completely backwards,

18:24SPEAKERand it just doesn't work in the place that you need it to go.

18:27SPEAKERAnyway, cables are weird.

18:29SPEAKER- Actually, one other quick one.

18:31SPEAKERThere was a period where I was having to sleep

18:33SPEAKERon an air mattress for a few days.

18:34SPEAKERIt was a long story, just like houseguests and stuff,

18:37SPEAKERbut it was in this room.

18:40SPEAKER- Oh, no.

18:41SPEAKER- With the guinea pigs.

18:43SPEAKER- Oh, no.

18:44SPEAKER- And at night, I was lying there trying to go to sleep,

18:45SPEAKERand I just half-dazed.

18:48SPEAKERIt was just like, something doesn't seem right.

18:50SPEAKER- Oh, no.

18:51SPEAKER- Like, why does this bed feel mushy?

18:53SPEAKER- Oh, no.

18:54SPEAKER- Why does it feel like I am sinking?

18:56SPEAKERWait a minute, why am I lying on the floor?

18:58SPEAKER- Oh, no.

18:59SPEAKER- And the same pig that destroyed that HDMI cable

19:03SPEAKERwho was affectionately known as a little shit around here.

19:07SPEAKER- Oh, boy.

19:08SPEAKER- Like, I've seen her do it before.

19:10SPEAKERShe would just be going, do-do-do-do-do-do,

19:12SPEAKERjust going about her business,

19:13SPEAKERand she would just walk over and nibble something

19:14SPEAKERfor half a second, and then just continue on her way.

19:17SPEAKER- Yeah, they were lightning fast.

19:18SPEAKER- Exactly what had happened.

19:19SPEAKERThere was one, like, pinprick-sized tiny hole

19:22SPEAKERin this very nice air mattress we had bought.

19:25SPEAKER- That sucks.

19:26SPEAKER- And it was, well, it introduced me to the concept

19:29SPEAKERof vinyl sealants, or like the kind of liquid vinyl repair.

19:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:34SPEAKER- 'Cause at first, I was like, oh my God,

19:36SPEAKERlike, this is a nice new air mattress

19:38SPEAKERthat we're now gonna have to junk.

19:40SPEAKERBut it was like 10 bucks or whatever for some kind of,

19:43SPEAKERI forget what brand, or I don't know anything about it.

19:47SPEAKERI'm sure you can Google it if you ever have a similar need,

19:49SPEAKERbut it was like, it worked beautifully.

19:51SPEAKERLike, I patched a little hole on it,

19:53SPEAKERand it has been fine ever since.

19:54SPEAKER- It's usually some sort of solvent

19:56SPEAKERthat just dissolves the material a little bit and melts it,

19:58SPEAKERand then it reforms when it dries.

20:01SPEAKER- I mean, for a gaping hole, it would not work so well,

20:03SPEAKERbut it was fine for this.

20:05SPEAKEROkay, there's a quick, maybe not so quick,

20:09SPEAKERDisney email from Nicholas in Charleston, South Carolina,

20:13SPEAKERfrom your Disney trip recently about projection mapping.

20:20SPEAKERThat's the thing where they're projecting animated faces

20:22SPEAKERonto physical animatronic characters now.

20:27SPEAKERFirst, the tech, there are two ghosts

20:28SPEAKERin the haunted mansion that use newer tech.

20:31SPEAKERThe attic bride, which has been changed several times

20:34SPEAKERand was recently updated again in Florida.

20:36SPEAKERThe one in Disneyland uses more basic projection mapping.

20:39SPEAKERThe other ghost is the hatbox ghost,

20:42SPEAKERwhich has a really interesting story.

20:44SPEAKERThat ghost was originally made for the attraction

20:46SPEAKERwhen it first opened in the 1960s.

20:48SPEAKERThey never could get the effect to work they wanted it to,

20:50SPEAKERand there is some debate if the original version

20:52SPEAKERwas installed in the ride at all.

20:54SPEAKERThe new version using modern digital trickery

20:57SPEAKERfinally showed up in 2015.

20:59SPEAKERThere actually is a rudimentary version of projection mapping

21:02SPEAKERif you want to call it that with the singing busts.

21:05SPEAKERIt may have been updated,

21:06SPEAKERbut the original busts in the graveyard finale

21:08SPEAKERwere simply film projected onto blank busts.

21:12SPEAKERThat must be quite old, I guess.

21:16SPEAKERIf you want to dig in more to pirates or haunted mansion,

21:19SPEAKERthere are two great books by Fox Nolte.

21:22SPEAKERBoundless- - That's a good name.

21:23SPEAKER- Yes, that is pretty good.

21:24SPEAKERFox with two Xs also.

21:27SPEAKERGod, I haven't known a lot of foxes.

21:29SPEAKERI've been thinking about the X-Files a little bit recently

21:32SPEAKERfor various reasons and Fox Mulder is-

21:37SPEAKER- Fox Mulder is a handle, but-

21:39SPEAKER- Underappreciated as a character name.

21:41SPEAKER- You had read Fox, but that's the last name.

21:43SPEAKERIt's a little different.

21:44SPEAKERIt's also a stage name, clearly.

21:45SPEAKER- I mean Fox as a first name, as a given name.

21:48SPEAKERAnyway. - It's a good name.

21:49SPEAKER- The first book is Boundless Realm,

21:51SPEAKERDeep Explorations Inside Disney's Haunted Mansion.

21:55SPEAKERThe other book is Scoundrels, Villains and Knaves,

21:58SPEAKERDisneyland, Pirates of the Caribbean and Popular Culture.

22:02SPEAKERShe also has a video about the new pirate

22:03SPEAKERthat I think explains a lot

22:04SPEAKERabout why people are frustrated with it.

22:07SPEAKERVideo is called Disney Has Lost the Plot.

22:10SPEAKERAlso as a long time glasses wearer,

22:13SPEAKERI have never had to take off my glasses on Space Mountain.

22:15SPEAKERA good glasses strap has always been good for me

22:18SPEAKERfrom small coasters to big flip you upside down ones.

22:21SPEAKER- I need to get a glasses strap.

22:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:24SPEAKER- I haven't had one since I was like a teenager.

22:26SPEAKERBut so this was super interesting.

22:28SPEAKERWhen we rode the Haunted Mansion,

22:29SPEAKERthis is the first time that my daughter

22:31SPEAKERhad been on the Haunted Mansion

22:32SPEAKERthat wasn't decorated for Halloween or Christmas

22:34SPEAKERor something.

22:35SPEAKERAnd of course we got down there

22:37SPEAKERand it was jammed up when we got to the downstairs area.

22:39SPEAKERSo it was really, really crowded down there.

22:42SPEAKERBut the ride stopped

22:46SPEAKERand we were directly in front of the Hat Box Ghost,

22:48SPEAKERwhich I'd never, which is like the Hat Box Ghost,

22:50SPEAKERyou usually ride by it's like a five, 10 second pass by.

22:53SPEAKERAnd it's a guy holding a box.

22:56SPEAKERIt's a creepy ghost holding a box

22:58SPEAKERand his head basically zoops from his head into the Hat Box.

23:02SPEAKERAnd you can see into the Hat Box

23:04SPEAKERand then it zoops back to his head.

23:06SPEAKERAnd it kind of, there's a little whooshing effect.

23:08SPEAKERAnd I got to watch it for a good five minutes,

23:09SPEAKERwhich I've never, like has never happened before.

23:12SPEAKERAnd it is, I was literally sitting looking at it.

23:15SPEAKERI was like, I have no idea how they could have done this

23:17SPEAKERbefore they had digital projectors

23:19SPEAKER'cause it seems impossible.

23:20SPEAKERAnd now knowing that it was installed the right way in 2015

23:23SPEAKERmakes sense.

23:25SPEAKERMy understanding is that all of the film projection stuff

23:28SPEAKERhas been replaced with digital projection

23:30SPEAKERover the last 20 years.

23:31SPEAKERBut other, but they captured the original footage

23:35SPEAKERor whatever, and reuse it there.

23:38SPEAKERBut this is super cool email.

23:39SPEAKERI'm totally gonna check out that book

23:40SPEAKERabout the Haunted Mansion, that sounds rad.

23:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't know they ever used film projection

23:43SPEAKERfor that stuff, that's cool.

23:45SPEAKER- Yeah, they used the, a lot of the ghosts

23:47SPEAKERin the Haunted Mansion were film projection in the old days

23:49SPEAKER'cause they like project them from below on mirrors

23:52SPEAKERor above onto mirrors and stuff like that.

23:53SPEAKERAnd then you see them through the,

23:55SPEAKERlike the way the Haunted Mansion works is,

23:58SPEAKERit's absolutely my favorite, it's really cool.

24:00SPEAKER- A lot of technology in Disney attractions.

24:03SPEAKER- It is, yeah. - It seems.

24:06SPEAKER- Reggie from Calgary writes in

24:07SPEAKERabout technology in cartridges.

24:10SPEAKER- I love this email.

24:11SPEAKER- I was thinking the other day and I was wondering,

24:14SPEAKERdoes the SuperFX chip count as a video card

24:16SPEAKERthat ships on a cartridge?

24:18SPEAKERWhat a time to be alive.

24:21SPEAKERHang on, I meant to look this up before we did this.

24:24SPEAKERI think isn't the SuperFX like a generalized,

24:29SPEAKERI don't wanna nitpick too much here.

24:30SPEAKERI think, I don't think it's like a 3D chip specifically.

24:34SPEAKERI think it is just another processor.

24:37SPEAKER- I mean, it is a-

24:38SPEAKER- I'm trying to find out what it actually is,

24:40SPEAKERlike who made it and what it is.

24:41SPEAKER- It's an Argonaut design, you put it,

24:44SPEAKER- Oh, it is an Nintendo design.

24:45SPEAKEROkay, I must be thinking about something else.

24:48SPEAKERSuper Nintendo cartridge has had a bunch

24:50SPEAKERof different co-processor type chips that shipped.

24:52SPEAKERIn fact, there's like a little table on Wikipedia

24:54SPEAKERyou can look up.

24:55SPEAKERI think in one of those cases,

24:57SPEAKERone of those chips was actually just a second CPU.

25:00SPEAKERLike it was just another iteration of the same,

25:02SPEAKERI think it's a Ricoh CPU in the SNES.

25:05SPEAKERLike they just slapped a second CPU on cartridges.

25:08SPEAKERBut in this case, yeah, you're right.

25:09SPEAKERI think it is an actual Nintendo in-house design

25:13SPEAKERfor the SuperFX.

25:14SPEAKER- So it's, look, there are a lot of different chips

25:19SPEAKERthat went into SNES cartridges.

25:21SPEAKERI think it's a topic that could be ranked.

25:23SPEAKER- Oh boy, oh boy, we might need to get Steve Len on

25:26SPEAKERor something like that for that.

25:28SPEAKER- I'm gonna put that out there, that's all I'm gonna say.

25:31SPEAKERSo I had a really fascinating conversation

25:32SPEAKERwith one of the Argonaut guys

25:34SPEAKERat a GDC party one year about this.

25:37SPEAKER- Wait, really?

25:38SPEAKER- Yeah, it was fantastic.

25:40SPEAKER- Who was it?

25:40SPEAKERIt wasn't Dylan Cuthbert.

25:43SPEAKER- It was, what's his name?

25:44SPEAKER- It wasn't Dylan Cuthbert.

25:45SPEAKER- It was Dylan.

25:46SPEAKER- It was, okay.

25:49SPEAKER- And he talked about like they'd originally made it

25:52SPEAKERfor an Atari console or something like that

25:54SPEAKERand then switched over.

25:56SPEAKERThen they came in to pitch it as an NES cartridge

25:59SPEAKERand Nintendo was like, no, here's what we want you to do

26:01SPEAKERwith this thing.

26:03SPEAKERAnd that's when they started working

26:04SPEAKERwith Nintendo basically.

26:05SPEAKERAnd then it became in-house weird tech technology studio

26:09SPEAKERfor Nintendo for a while after this.

26:10SPEAKER- They were a bunch of wizards for sure.

26:12SPEAKERThere are actually more of these than I remembered

26:14SPEAKERnow that I'm scrolling through this.

26:15SPEAKER- There's a ton of them.

26:17SPEAKERThere's like audio processing.

26:18SPEAKERThere's the ones that do voice and better music

26:21SPEAKERand all that stuff.

26:21SPEAKERIt's a ton.

26:25SPEAKER- In my mind, it was like half a dozen.

26:26SPEAKERI think it's more like two dozen or something.

26:28SPEAKERAnyway, I'll read the rest of this email.

26:31SPEAKERIf you were to imagine that the Super NES

26:33SPEAKERwas 20 years late and came out in 2014,

26:35SPEAKERthe Xbox One and PS4 era,

26:37SPEAKERand that all games were cartridges

26:39SPEAKERand that the cartridges plugged into something

26:41SPEAKERlike PCI express,

26:42SPEAKERwhat is the technology you'd like to see in the games?

26:45SPEAKERThere were no caveats.

26:46SPEAKERMaybe it would have power constraints,

26:49SPEAKERbut imagine if say the cartridge for Cyberpunk

26:52SPEAKERhad built-in GDDR7 or came with tensor cores

26:55SPEAKERor ray tracing cores.

26:57SPEAKERWhat do you think would be the coolest thing

26:59SPEAKERgiven no resource or price constraints?

27:03SPEAKER- I really wonder, like I wonder what you could do.

27:06SPEAKERI feel like in the modern era,

27:08SPEAKERI don't know that this would work as well

27:09SPEAKERbecause this stuff is so architected.

27:11SPEAKERAnd back then it was just, hey,

27:13SPEAKERhere's some registers and some stuff that can do math

27:15SPEAKERand whatever you can do with the math works.

27:18SPEAKER- Yeah, and also the industry.

27:19SPEAKERI mean, I hope this isn't a wet blanket answer,

27:21SPEAKERbut the industry very much moved toward programmable,

27:24SPEAKERflexible pipelines and not fixed function stuff.

27:28SPEAKER- Was definitely easier.

27:29SPEAKER- So it's easier for me to answer this question

27:32SPEAKERin the context of the day,

27:33SPEAKERback when they were still making chips

27:35SPEAKERto do specific things.

27:36SPEAKERLike the thing that comes to mind is the PhysX card.

27:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:39SPEAKER- Like the PhysX card was a short-lived example

27:41SPEAKERof like, here's a specific chip we made to do one thing,

27:45SPEAKERwhich is very advanced physics.

27:47SPEAKERSo like probably something like that

27:49SPEAKERis the first thing that comes to mind.

27:51SPEAKER- I mean, the thing is nobody does bespoke anymore.

27:55SPEAKERI guess like the cost of doing a bespoke chip

27:58SPEAKERat this point is so high.

28:00SPEAKERLike if you put GDDR7 on a cyberpunk card,

28:06SPEAKERwell, A, it would cost $1,000 now,

28:09SPEAKERbut B, I don't know that you would get anything,

28:12SPEAKERlike the way architectures work now,

28:14SPEAKERyou wouldn't get anything for it, I guess, which sucks.

28:17SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

28:18SPEAKER- I don't know, when did they stop putting

28:19SPEAKERlike the connector plates?

28:22SPEAKERWas the GameCube the last in the PS2 era,

28:24SPEAKERthe kind of last time we had like an external bus connector

28:27SPEAKERfor weird other hardware on consoles?

28:29SPEAKER- Oh, just like bespoke feature ports.

28:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:33SPEAKER- Yeah, gosh, I'm trying to think.

28:35SPEAKER- 'Cause you can put that GBA adapter on the GameCube.

28:38SPEAKER- The Game Boy player, yeah, the GameCube,

28:40SPEAKERI'm actually working on,

28:42SPEAKERI've got a project lined up with the GameCube.

28:44SPEAKERRight now, I'm looking at those things.

28:45SPEAKERThe GameCube has like three different ports

28:47SPEAKERon the bottom of it for different things.

28:49SPEAKER- Really, I didn't know that.

28:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and I don't remember if PS2 had much,

28:55SPEAKERI mean, it had the hard drive connector.

28:57SPEAKER- That's it, that's what it was, yeah.

28:58SPEAKER- And Sony had their multi-out, their AV multi-out for years.

29:02SPEAKERThey didn't go as hard as Nintendo

29:03SPEAKERon the feature connectors, though.

29:05SPEAKER- Yes, well, Sega also did the network port

29:07SPEAKERthat you could search for a modem.

29:08SPEAKERThat was more like lower bandwidth, I think.

29:11SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

29:12SPEAKEROld video game console technology is cool.

29:15SPEAKER- Stuff was weird.

29:17SPEAKERHonestly, the weirdest of all of them

29:18SPEAKERwas like the Sega 32X, I think,

29:20SPEAKERwhere you just jam something in the cartridge

29:22SPEAKERand then they blended the video in the thing,

29:26SPEAKERwhich is fricking wild.

29:28SPEAKERI had no idea how that worked at the time, and it's crazy.

29:30SPEAKER- The way the 32X integrates with the Genesis

29:33SPEAKERat a developmental programming level is insane.

29:36SPEAKER- While we're talking about this era of games,

29:38SPEAKERcan I make a public apology?

29:41SPEAKER- Sure.

29:41SPEAKER- I dug up my Vice City review from 2003

29:44SPEAKERin Maximum PC yesterday.

29:46SPEAKER- All right.

29:48SPEAKER- In the lead up to that GTA thing,

29:49SPEAKER'cause I wondered if maybe Rockstar has looked

29:52SPEAKERat all the excitement around GTA role-playing

29:55SPEAKERand took a negative signal from that

29:58SPEAKERand built an even more tedious tedium simulator.

30:02SPEAKERAnd at the end of my GTA Vice City review in Maximum PC,

30:06SPEAKERwhich, just to be clear, PC-focused magazine

30:09SPEAKERtalking about a port in 2003,

30:13SPEAKERwhich was early in the PS2 timeframe,

30:17SPEAKERthe review, which I don't think I would have written this,

30:19SPEAKERbut maybe someone did, the review ended with...

30:23SPEAKERIt was a pretty negative review of Vice City,

30:25SPEAKERwhich was a hot take, apparently.

30:29SPEAKERThe review ends with, "The game mechanics are there,

30:31SPEAKER"the concept is there, and the setting is near perfect,

30:33SPEAKER"but the fun is with Luca Brasi sleeping with the fishes.

30:37SPEAKER"The fact that PS2 pundits routinely tout GTA in Vice City

30:40SPEAKER"as the greatest games of all time reinforces our belief

30:43SPEAKER"that there just aren't any good games available on the PS2."

30:47SPEAKER- Ow.

30:47SPEAKER- That is intense.

30:49SPEAKER- So I didn't like JRPGs.

30:51SPEAKER- That's, I am.

30:53SPEAKER- And 2003, like the games that ended up

30:58SPEAKERbeing the PS2 games for me,

30:59SPEAKERso "Chadows of the Colossus," "Katamari," "Metal Gear,"

31:05SPEAKERnone of those were available at the time.

31:06SPEAKER- I can respect it, I can...

31:09SPEAKER- I'm sorry, I was wrong.

31:11SPEAKERI still think GTA Vice City is not a great game.

31:14SPEAKER- That's, all right, that's an opinion to have.

31:16SPEAKERI mean, look, the GTA has had its issues

31:20SPEAKERwith outdated controls and shooting mechanics

31:22SPEAKERand stuff over the years.

31:23SPEAKER- Lack of saves.

31:25SPEAKER- I can respect it.

31:26SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway.

31:27SPEAKER- All right, Nate from Fort Collins, Colorado.

31:31SPEAKER"I built a PC in January of 2025,

31:34SPEAKER"and to try to stick to a budget,

31:35SPEAKER"I ended up with a 7800 X3D instead of a 9800.

31:40SPEAKER"Ended up blowing the budget anyway,

31:42SPEAKER"getting a 5080 and feel like maybe,

31:44SPEAKER"that's a GTX or RTX 5080, Nvidia card, to be clear.

31:50SPEAKER"Ended up blowing the budget anyway, getting a 5080

31:52SPEAKER"and feel like maybe I made a mistake.

31:54SPEAKER"Did I?

31:55SPEAKER"Should I spring for a 9800 X3D,

31:57SPEAKER"or would I not really notice much improvement?

32:00SPEAKER"A game on a 1440p monitor or a 4K TV,

32:03SPEAKER"depending on the game."

32:05SPEAKER- So it's interesting, like the question is,

32:08SPEAKERis my 7800 X3D bottlenecking this big GPU?

32:12SPEAKER- Probably not. - The answer is probably

32:13SPEAKERa little bit, but less than you'd think.

32:15SPEAKER- Yeah, but also, especially at 4K, less at 1440,

32:18SPEAKERbut even there, 7800 X3D is not exactly a bad chip.

32:24SPEAKERThat's no slouch.

32:25SPEAKER- Yeah, the problem with the 7800 X3D

32:26SPEAKERis that the cache is on the wrong side of the chip,

32:29SPEAKERso it's a little harder to cool than on the 9800 X3D.

32:32SPEAKER- Right.

32:33SPEAKER- But it's entirely, it's a very functional chip,

32:37SPEAKEReven today.

32:39SPEAKERJeff over at Kraft Computing just posted a video yesterday

32:42SPEAKERthat I thought was really good,

32:43SPEAKERwhere he basically took an old X99 board,

32:47SPEAKERso like a Intel 9900, I think,

32:51SPEAKERand saw where the bottleneck was

32:55SPEAKERby testing it with a bunch of different GPUs.

32:57SPEAKERIt's definitely worth watching, you're fine.

32:59SPEAKERLike, the nice thing about AM5 and AMD

33:02SPEAKERkeeping sockets for a long time is that

33:05SPEAKERwhen the 10800 X3D, or whatever the next version

33:10SPEAKERof the X3D chip in the next architecture hits is,

33:13SPEAKERyou'll probably be able to upgrade to that.

33:15SPEAKERLike, the prices on the 9800 will come down,

33:17SPEAKERyou'll be able to put whatever CPU you want in the socket.

33:19SPEAKERSo like, at some point in the future,

33:21SPEAKERif it starts feeling slow, yeah, put a new CPU in.

33:23SPEAKERRight now, you're fine.

33:24SPEAKER- Yeah, they announced AM5 is getting

33:28SPEAKERone more generation of chip, didn't they?

33:30SPEAKER- They said it was gonna go through 2027, I think.

33:32SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, that surely they will launch

33:35SPEAKERone more generation by then?

33:36SPEAKER- I mean--

33:38SPEAKER- Maybe.

33:38SPEAKER- Things, yeah, they have products designed, I'm sure,

33:42SPEAKERwhether they launch that, like, who knows?

33:44SPEAKER- Whether they decide to actually,

33:46SPEAKERthis is like on top of the unprecedentedness

33:49SPEAKERof everything else going on right now.

33:51SPEAKERAnother one is this idea that all these companies

33:53SPEAKERfrom CPU makers to like Sony and the PlayStation

33:56SPEAKERare all sitting on their product roadmap

33:58SPEAKERand maybe not going to launch products

34:00SPEAKERthat are basically otherwise gonna be ready to go.

34:03SPEAKER- Absolutely wild.

34:05SPEAKER- Like, Sony is still wringing its hands

34:07SPEAKERabout when they're gonna launch the PlayStation 6.

34:09SPEAKERLike, it just, the idea that all these things

34:10SPEAKERcould just come out years later than intended

34:12SPEAKERbecause of all this mess is just--

34:15SPEAKER- Hey, let's spend a couple billion dollars

34:16SPEAKERdeveloping a product and then just sit on it for a while.

34:18SPEAKER- Right, right, it's weird.

34:20SPEAKER- So yeah, I wouldn't worry about that too much,

34:22SPEAKERespecially right now.

34:24SPEAKERLike, watch that Kraft Computing video.

34:27SPEAKERHe's talking about CPUs from like 2017, so you're fine.

34:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, yes, you were told that that machine,

34:33SPEAKERthat machine probably will get you to the end of the decade.

34:35SPEAKERWell, I mean, I guess that's three and a half years away,

34:39SPEAKERbut that's, I bet you could probably make it fine

34:41SPEAKERon that machine until the end of the decade.

34:43SPEAKER- Here's the thing, you're definitely gonna be fine

34:45SPEAKERuntil next consoles, until games

34:47SPEAKERthat are not cross-console generation start shipping.

34:50SPEAKER- Yeah. - Right?

34:51SPEAKERThat's gonna be your gate probably.

34:53SPEAKER- Yes, okay.

34:56SPEAKERWill from Pacifica writes in.

34:58SPEAKER- Wow, that's a weird coincidence.

34:59SPEAKER- Do you guys know how to keep two calendars in sync easily?

35:02SPEAKERI'm an independent contractor and I need to keep calendars

35:04SPEAKERthat are hosted on separate clients.

35:09SPEAKER- Did you help me with the wording?

35:10SPEAKER- Separate clients, internal Google

35:11SPEAKERor Microsoft services accounts.

35:14SPEAKER- I wasn't quite sure where the emphasis was in that line.

35:17SPEAKERHosted on separate clients, internal Google

35:19SPEAKERor Microsoft accounts synced up with my actual work calendar

35:22SPEAKERand I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to do that.

35:25SPEAKERFor what it's worth, I use fast mail for email

35:27SPEAKERand calendaring for my business and most of my clients

35:30SPEAKERare using either Google or Microsoft for their groupware.

35:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a real problem.

35:35SPEAKERIt's funny, I face that same problem every single day.

35:37SPEAKER- Yeah, weird, you have a solution.

35:39SPEAKER- Often people will create,

35:41SPEAKERwhen I'm doing long-term contracting for them,

35:43SPEAKERthey'll create an internal account for me

35:45SPEAKERso that they have a calendar

35:46SPEAKERthat they can then schedule me against.

35:49SPEAKER- Sure.

35:50SPEAKER- But I need to keep all of my different clients' calendars

35:54SPEAKERavailable so that when client A looks at my calendar,

35:57SPEAKERthey see the live calendar

35:58SPEAKERand when client B looks at my calendar,

35:59SPEAKERthey see the live calendar.

36:01SPEAKERI haven't found a tool that does this.

36:03SPEAKERSo if anybody has ideas, I would really welcome that.

36:05SPEAKERIt seems like with ICS and all that stuff,

36:07SPEAKERit should be really easy.

36:08SPEAKERIt is absolutely not.

36:10SPEAKER- Is CalDAV an option here?

36:12SPEAKER- No, 'cause CalDAV is for single imports,

36:15SPEAKERnot for ongoing updates is the problem.

36:17SPEAKER- It doesn't continue syncing.

36:18SPEAKER- Yeah, so ICS does this,

36:22SPEAKERwhich is the Apple iCal sharing format.

36:25SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that was an Apple format.

36:27SPEAKER- Yeah, but the problem is that there's no,

36:30SPEAKERI mean, it started as an Apple format.

36:31SPEAKERI don't think it is anymore.

36:32SPEAKERThe problem is that most, like Google wants,

36:36SPEAKERif you give Google an iCal,

36:37SPEAKERit sets up a separate calendar for you in Google Calendar

36:40SPEAKERthat is that calendar.

36:42SPEAKERSo you can export your free/busy from one thing

36:44SPEAKERand put it in the other, but then it doesn't give you,

36:50SPEAKERI can't get Google to show that imported calendar

36:52SPEAKERas busy time for me,

36:54SPEAKEReven if it's marked busy on the calendar.

36:57SPEAKERSo anyway, I would love advice if anybody has advice.

37:01SPEAKERYou can send it into the Techbot at content.down

37:05SPEAKERor just post it in the comments in the Discord

37:08SPEAKERif you're in the Discord, it would be hugely helpful.

37:11SPEAKERI'm willing to spend money on this,

37:13SPEAKERbut I'd love a self-hosted option, ideally.

37:17SPEAKERAnd the thing I really want is people to take

37:20SPEAKERthe free/busy info that's public

37:22SPEAKERfrom any of these calendars and block them against my,

37:27SPEAKERdump them into the other calendars.

37:29SPEAKER- Sure, that makes sense.

37:31SPEAKERI bet somebody will have an answer.

37:33SPEAKER- I hope so.

37:34SPEAKER- It sucks, I do a lot of copy and pasting right now.

37:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I can imagine that is not,

37:38SPEAKERthat's the bad kind of work that enables other work.

37:42SPEAKER- It sucks.

37:43SPEAKER- Like sometimes, like with the to-do list stuff last week,

37:45SPEAKERlike that is valuable work to invest in,

37:47SPEAKERmaking your other work easier,

37:49SPEAKERbut what you're talking about is just,

37:51SPEAKERit's not just that it's busy work,

37:54SPEAKERit feels like bailing water.

37:56SPEAKER- Well, and it's also-

37:57SPEAKER- It feels like you're never gonna be able

37:58SPEAKERto keep up with it.

37:59SPEAKERAt some point, you're gonna get too busy

38:01SPEAKERto keep up with that busy work,

38:03SPEAKERand then things are gonna fall out of sync.

38:05SPEAKER- And also when I mess up and forget to do one,

38:07SPEAKERthen it ends up with a bunch more back and forth

38:09SPEAKER'cause somebody who like looks at my calendar

38:10SPEAKERusually just books time is then like,

38:13SPEAKERI have to call, I have to text them and be like,

38:15SPEAKERhey, I gotta do this, can we move this?

38:17SPEAKERI've got a conflict here, which sucks.

38:20SPEAKER- All right, we do some Discord questions.

38:23SPEAKER- Yeah, Discords.

38:24SPEAKER- Lovic, is it multimeter or multimeter?

38:28SPEAKER- Oh no, I say it both ways.

38:31SPEAKER- I also say it both ways.

38:33SPEAKERBut I can tell you which one I prefer, which is multimeter.

38:36SPEAKER- I like multimeter too.

38:37SPEAKERI think this might be a where we grew up thing

38:40SPEAKER'cause I like a soft vowel in that kind of context.

38:44SPEAKER- This could be completely off base.

38:46SPEAKERSomehow I have gotten the impression

38:48SPEAKERthat multimeter is the common British pronunciation

38:50SPEAKERand multimeter is common in the US,

38:52SPEAKERbut I don't know if that's actually true.

38:54SPEAKER- Look, all I'm saying is I, yeah,

38:58SPEAKERI like a soft vowel in the middle of a big long word.

39:01SPEAKERThat's all I'm gonna say.

39:02SPEAKER- Sure.

39:03SPEAKERLike a soft yolk.

39:05SPEAKER- I love a soft yolk.

39:05SPEAKER- You like your multimeter medium.

39:08SPEAKER- Look, as eggs are one of the few things

39:10SPEAKERthat we can still eat safely in the United States,

39:13SPEAKERI've eaten a lot of soft yolks lately.

39:15SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

39:16SPEAKER- Don't tell me if they're not safe, please.

39:19SPEAKER- Let me see here.

39:21SPEAKERActually, because multimeters are involved,

39:26SPEAKERI'm gonna read this other thing

39:27SPEAKERthat is kind of related to that

39:29SPEAKER'cause I've got a project swirling in my brain

39:33SPEAKERthat I've been kind of interested in.

39:35SPEAKERMOSFET 555 writes in.

39:38SPEAKERI also have to read this just to give credit where due

39:40SPEAKERbecause this sent me on a deep rabbit hole

39:43SPEAKERand I've got to credit the person

39:45SPEAKERwho brought it to my attention.

39:47SPEAKERI was talking about on, was it?

39:50SPEAKERDid I talk about my arcade board on this podcast?

39:52SPEAKER- Talked about it on the Nextlander podcast.

39:54SPEAKER- That was entirely on Nextlander.

39:56SPEAKER- One of the other good things about having a dog

39:58SPEAKERand going on dog walks is my podcast listening time

40:00SPEAKERhas expanded dramatically.

40:01SPEAKER- A lot more podcast time, I believe that.

40:03SPEAKEROkay, so yes, I have a Mortal Kombat 2 arcade board

40:06SPEAKERthat I had done talking about over there.

40:08SPEAKERMOSFET 555 wrote in here.

40:10SPEAKERHeard you talking about your MK2 arcade board.

40:12SPEAKERI also have that board.

40:14SPEAKERThese are a little spendy,

40:15SPEAKERbut I picked up this standoff case for it,

40:17SPEAKERwhich holds the main board and its daughter boards.

40:20SPEAKERIt can be played from within this case.

40:22SPEAKERI hung mine on the wall as decoration.

40:24SPEAKERI can send some photos if you want.

40:26SPEAKERIt's made from plexiglass with the main logo cut out

40:28SPEAKERout of a stainless steel plate.

40:31SPEAKERIt looks to be laser or water jet cuts.

40:34SPEAKERNo affiliation.

40:35SPEAKERI just think these are cool.

40:36SPEAKERI also have the ultimate MK3 one.

40:38SPEAKER- Man, that is really cool.

40:40SPEAKER- And yeah, are you looking at the picture?

40:41SPEAKERIt's Scanline City is the business that's making these.

40:46SPEAKERSo this sent me on a huge rabbit hole

40:48SPEAKER'cause I didn't even consider

40:50SPEAKERthat there were people out there making PCB cases

40:53SPEAKERfor arcade boards,

40:54SPEAKERlet alone ones with like nice laser cut logos

40:56SPEAKERon them and stuff.

40:59SPEAKERI'm not sure.

41:00SPEAKERAt first I was gonna get this one,

41:01SPEAKEReven though it is a bit expensive,

41:02SPEAKERbut then I started looking at some designs

41:04SPEAKERthat are pure laser cut acrylic.

41:07SPEAKER- I can do that for you.

41:08SPEAKERHow big is the board?

41:09SPEAKER- So it's, oh gosh,

41:12SPEAKERI'm just gonna ballpark it like a nine by 12,

41:15SPEAKERmaybe or something.

41:16SPEAKERThe bigger issue here,

41:17SPEAKERand we don't need to get into it

41:18SPEAKER'cause I also spent half of this week's explain

41:20SPEAKERto Ramblecast rambling about the subject.

41:23SPEAKERThe MK2 board has two daughter boards

41:25SPEAKERthat are both that like don't mount cleanly to the board

41:28SPEAKER'cause they were never designed to be stacked like that.

41:30SPEAKER- Oh, 'cause they were like screwed

41:31SPEAKERto the side of the case.

41:32SPEAKER- Yes, they were just screwed into the side of the cabinet.

41:34SPEAKERSo stacking them cleanly is gonna be a challenge.

41:38SPEAKERAlso I'm being very uptight and nitpicky

41:41SPEAKERand trying to figure out a way to stack them

41:43SPEAKERand not like, if you look at this case

41:44SPEAKERand the acrylic designs I've seen,

41:47SPEAKERthey all hang the boards that don't stack cleanly

41:49SPEAKERon the other boards from the top with extra screw holes.

41:52SPEAKER- Like from the front facing.

41:54SPEAKERSo like for people who are listening to the audio,

41:56SPEAKERthis is like two pieces of acrylic

41:57SPEAKERwith some like metal standoffs in between

41:59SPEAKERthat are like three inches long it looks like.

42:01SPEAKERAnd so they have the big board on the back

42:02SPEAKERand the small boards on the front,

42:04SPEAKERon the inside of the front.

42:05SPEAKER- Ironically, it is a very oversized version

42:08SPEAKERof what my mister looks like,

42:09SPEAKERwhat the original mister project

42:11SPEAKERand a lot of other hobbyists electronics do this as well.

42:13SPEAKERIt's just like a circuit board or two.

42:15SPEAKER- Stacked.

42:16SPEAKER- Stacked on each other with standoffs

42:18SPEAKERwith like acrylic kind of safety plates on top and bottom

42:20SPEAKERjust to try to protect the components

42:24SPEAKERon the board a little bit.

42:25SPEAKERAnd it basically just looks like an oversized version

42:26SPEAKERof that.

42:27SPEAKERBut anyway, to achieve my insane dreams,

42:31SPEAKERI'm gonna have to design my own board or my own case,

42:35SPEAKERwhich maybe I need to talk to you about actually.

42:36SPEAKER'Cause I downloaded some EPS files of these other,

42:40SPEAKERthere's a repo where people have been doing designs

42:42SPEAKERfor these cases themselves.

42:46SPEAKERAnd there's a bunch of examples on there.

42:48SPEAKERThey just happened to not do one for MK2.

42:50SPEAKERSo I'm gonna have to like adapt one of those.

42:52SPEAKERBut anyway, I downloaded like their UMK3 design,

42:55SPEAKERbut Inkscape doesn't open EPS.

42:57SPEAKERSo I'm gonna have to figure out like,

42:59SPEAKERI don't know what the best or is like free CAD better

43:01SPEAKERfor this kind of thing.

43:03SPEAKER- EPS are encapsulated postscript files.

43:05SPEAKERThey're just printer files.

43:07SPEAKER- Okay, that's just what this GitHub project,

43:10SPEAKERwhat the people do in these designs happen to use.

43:12SPEAKERI'm sure EPS can be converted to other formats

43:14SPEAKERif more appropriate.

43:16SPEAKERI've just, I've never done any kind of like 3D model design

43:20SPEAKERwork for fabrication like this before.

43:23SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say the good thing about this

43:24SPEAKERis it's not actually 3D, this is just 2D.

43:26SPEAKER- Oh yeah, in this case, it's just a flat sheet basically.

43:29SPEAKERSo that's not a huge deal.

43:30SPEAKER- So really the only thing you have to do

43:32SPEAKERis figure out where the holes are.

43:33SPEAKERAnd you can do that by taking a picture with your phone

43:35SPEAKERfrom like four feet away, straight on.

43:37SPEAKER- Oh, so making, we should do a whole episode about this

43:40SPEAKERif I actually end up doing this.

43:41SPEAKER'Cause I have, see, I assumed I would need like calipers

43:45SPEAKERand need to do like millimeter precise measurements

43:47SPEAKERto make sure all the holes are spaced right

43:49SPEAKERand stuff like that.

43:50SPEAKER- So this is the thing we talked about and tested a lot.

43:52SPEAKERPrecision is important, but you wanna make sure

43:54SPEAKERthe holes are spaced right.

43:55SPEAKERAnd the way, there's a bunch of ways you can do that.

43:57SPEAKEROne is you can take a piece of paper and trace,

44:00SPEAKERlike do a charcoal rubbing of the back of the board

44:04SPEAKERor something like that.

44:05SPEAKERSo you know where the holes are.

44:06SPEAKER- Interesting.

44:07SPEAKER- You can also, like I said, you can take a picture,

44:09SPEAKERyou can put, if you have a flatbed scanner,

44:10SPEAKERyou can put it on a flatbed scanner.

44:11SPEAKERThat's the best way to do it.

44:12SPEAKERAnd then you just drop that into like SketchUp

44:16SPEAKERor whatever your, your Fusion 360 or whatever you're using.

44:19SPEAKERAnd trace the outlines of the board and that.

44:25SPEAKERThe big problem I have with these open side

44:27SPEAKERmystery style designs for something this big

44:29SPEAKERis that it's gonna get hella dusty here.

44:31SPEAKER- It will, yeah.

44:32SPEAKERBut the jamming connector needs to be exposed

44:34SPEAKERif you're actually gonna play it, because--

44:36SPEAKER- That's true.

44:37SPEAKER- That brings me to the other part of this, which is I--

44:40SPEAKER- You wanna hook it up?

44:41SPEAKER- I kinda want a super gun now.

44:44SPEAKER- Okay.

44:44SPEAKER- And in fact, I've kind of sold myself

44:46SPEAKERon getting good enough at soldering to make my own super gun.

44:50SPEAKER- Hell yeah.

44:51SPEAKERI love this.

44:52SPEAKER- This is a long-term thing.

44:53SPEAKERBut there is, a super gun is the thing

44:55SPEAKERthat'll make it take a jammer connector

44:57SPEAKERand basically convert it to work on a TV.

45:00SPEAKER- Look, a jammer connector, you could make a hole

45:02SPEAKERfor a jammer connector in the side of this thing.

45:04SPEAKERYou could make this enclosed.

45:05SPEAKER- I don't mind just like, I've got a, you know--

45:07SPEAKER- You don't mind dusting.

45:08SPEAKER- I've got an air compressor.

45:08SPEAKERI don't mind blowing it out occasionally.

45:10SPEAKERBut anyway, we don't need to get too into it right now.

45:13SPEAKERAnd this is probably for,

45:14SPEAKERthis is a very long-term thing.

45:16SPEAKERBut there's an open-source super gun called the Minigun.

45:21SPEAKERI've watched a couple of build videos and I'm like,

45:23SPEAKERoh, you know, I might be able to get good enough

45:25SPEAKERat soldering to do that someday.

45:26SPEAKERAnd so--

45:29SPEAKER- It would not take you long

45:30SPEAKERto get good enough at soldering to do that.

45:31SPEAKER- I hatch a lot of projects

45:33SPEAKERand then don't finish a lot of them.

45:34SPEAKERSo stay tuned.

45:35SPEAKERBut I might order like a couple of practice soldering kits.

45:39SPEAKERLike what are the canonical ones?

45:41SPEAKERLike don't, like a tic-tac-tac-toe game or something?

45:44SPEAKERLike aren't there little kits

45:45SPEAKERwhere you can learn enough soldering

45:47SPEAKERto get a finished thing that does something?

45:50SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a million.

45:50SPEAKERThere's like everything from like little jitter robots

45:53SPEAKERthat have like a little vibrating motor

45:54SPEAKERthat basically have like,

45:56SPEAKERyou take like a paperclip and bend six legs.

45:59SPEAKERAnd then you kind of let it skitter across the desktop

46:01SPEAKERall the way up to like, you know,

46:03SPEAKERstuff like the Pimeroni galactic unicorn

46:06SPEAKERand like more complicated screens and stuff like that.

46:09SPEAKER- Okay, this thing, the Supergun has,

46:12SPEAKERit has one IC, one surface mount IC

46:14SPEAKERthat you would have to drag solder.

46:15SPEAKERAnd then there's also a little,

46:16SPEAKERa small bank of dip switches

46:18SPEAKERthat also is like pretty small pads,

46:20SPEAKERbut those are the only two

46:21SPEAKERlike really hard looking things on there.

46:23SPEAKEREverything else looks like something

46:25SPEAKERI could probably handle already.

46:26SPEAKER- And honestly, if you're doing

46:28SPEAKERany number of surface mount things,

46:30SPEAKERgetting the right tool to do that

46:32SPEAKERrather than trying to drag solder it is a huge improvement.

46:36SPEAKER- I've got, I've got the pine sole,

46:37SPEAKERbut I don't know if that's enough.

46:39SPEAKER- I mean, so if you're doing a lot of IC stuff

46:42SPEAKERand getting like finding a used toaster oven

46:45SPEAKERon Craigslist or something,

46:47SPEAKERand just using it only for that is totally valid.

46:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and you know what?

46:52SPEAKERI'm gonna stop this discussion here for two reasons.

46:55SPEAKERA, if I actually did all this, we should do an episode.

46:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:59SPEAKER- B, I can't promise I'm actually to do all this.

47:01SPEAKERLike this is something that I think is very cool

47:03SPEAKERand I'm kind of excited about,

47:05SPEAKERbut I can't promise I'll have time

47:06SPEAKERto see it through anytime soon.

47:08SPEAKERSo just table it until I actually prove

47:12SPEAKERthat I'll get into it.

47:13SPEAKER- The thing I will tell you is that building that stack

47:15SPEAKERis way easier than you think it's gonna be.

47:18SPEAKER- To, you mean to mount in the case?

47:20SPEAKER- To mount in the case.

47:21SPEAKER- The main thing is, like I said,

47:21SPEAKERthe holes just don't line up on those boards.

47:23SPEAKERSo there's, you'd have to like probably fabricate

47:25SPEAKERsome 3D printed extra mounts to make them stack cleanly.

47:30SPEAKER- Yeah, you could, there's a bunch of, there's a, yes.

47:33SPEAKER- The easier thing, like I said, the easier thing

47:35SPEAKERwould be to just give up on my stupid aesthetic goals

47:38SPEAKERand just hang the soundboard.

47:39SPEAKERThe soundboard is the one

47:40SPEAKERthat doesn't mount to the other two boards.

47:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:42SPEAKER- And I could just do what these other cases do

47:44SPEAKERand just mount those from the top case.

47:47SPEAKER- Put it on the front, yeah.

47:48SPEAKER- The bottom two boards are mounted on the back plate

47:51SPEAKERand then the soundboard is mounted from the front one.

47:53SPEAKERThat just ends up with extra screw holes

47:55SPEAKERin the front plate where the nice logo is.

47:57SPEAKERAnd I'm just trying to avoid that, but I don't know.

47:59SPEAKER- But you could also do, there's other,

48:01SPEAKERlike you could also do two sheets of acrylic

48:02SPEAKERand have the screws go into the front one

48:04SPEAKERand then the back one doesn't have, you know what I mean?

48:07SPEAKERThere's a bunch of ways to,

48:08SPEAKERthere are ways around this problem

48:09SPEAKERthat you have that are easy.

48:10SPEAKER- Maybe if we really commit to this,

48:12SPEAKERmaybe I'll like bring the board to your house

48:14SPEAKERand we can look at it so we can do a more informed episode.

48:17SPEAKER'Cause I, look, there's, I've had a lot going on

48:20SPEAKERand just the idea of like building a thing from nothing,

48:23SPEAKERfrom design to physical final thing

48:27SPEAKERthat I can decorate my house with a cool arcade board.

48:30SPEAKER- And also have a place you can play Mortal Kombat

48:32SPEAKERin your house.

48:32SPEAKER- And be able to play original MK2

48:34SPEAKERoff the actual board from a machine.

48:36SPEAKERLike there's a lot of appeal to like hatching a big project

48:39SPEAKERand seeing it through and I might, I might.

48:42SPEAKER- I will tell you sometimes a big project

48:44SPEAKERwill cure what ails you, you know, or at least help.

48:47SPEAKERIt was not gonna cure, but it'll help.

48:48SPEAKER- It'll be something to distract me for a while.

48:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:52SPEAKER- Anyway, that's all stuff that I think is neat

48:55SPEAKERand may or may not get into, stay tuned.

48:58SPEAKER- Okay, a Discord question from Fishy J.

49:02SPEAKERDo you think we'll back ourselves into a corner

49:04SPEAKERand lose anonymity on the internet

49:06SPEAKERbecause we'll have to find a way to authenticate

49:08SPEAKERwho is a real person and who is,

49:10SPEAKERand what is an AI agent online?

49:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I think, I think that's a real problem.

49:16SPEAKER- A legitimate concern.

49:17SPEAKER- Yeah, between that and the, we gotta protect the kids

49:20SPEAKERthat doesn't really protect the kids.

49:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:23SPEAKER- Trends that are happening right now

49:24SPEAKERwith regard to social media and things like that.

49:26SPEAKERYou know, I think we're unfortunately,

49:29SPEAKERunless something changes in the governance

49:32SPEAKERof Western democracies, we're moving toward a direction

49:36SPEAKERwhere Facebook is gonna make everybody have to sign on

49:39SPEAKERto some sort of ID verification

49:42SPEAKERbecause they desperately, Zuckerberg desperately wants

49:45SPEAKERto pull up the ladder and prevent other upstart

49:49SPEAKERsocial networks from destroying the thing

49:51SPEAKERthat he has built over the last 20 years.

49:54SPEAKERSo yeah, it's bad.

49:55SPEAKER- Good stuff, good stuff.

49:58SPEAKER- I don't know, like I would like to say

50:02SPEAKERthat I'm going to not engage with that stuff anymore

50:04SPEAKERif that becomes the case, but I don't know

50:06SPEAKERthat I can afford to from a professional sense.

50:08SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gonna get tough for sure.

50:12SPEAKERHere is a kind of related, not really,

50:15SPEAKERbut maybe sort of in the same general sphere question

50:19SPEAKERfrom MCM Ben.

50:21SPEAKERLanguage is a constantly evolving thing,

50:23SPEAKERa cycle of complication and simplification.

50:25SPEAKERSpoken language is always ahead of written language

50:28SPEAKERwith the former often breaking the rules of the ladder.

50:32SPEAKERWith LLM trainers valuing pre-LLM texts

50:36SPEAKERover potentially poisoned LLM generated texts,

50:40SPEAKERI wonder what effect this will have on language

50:42SPEAKERas increasing amounts of content is LLM generated.

50:45SPEAKERBasically what he's saying here is that a lot

50:47SPEAKERof the companies training AI on books or not just books,

50:51SPEAKERbut all material are highly valuing material

50:54SPEAKERthat existed before LLMs ruined everything.

50:58SPEAKERSo that's the framework here.

51:01SPEAKERWill that generated content lag even further

51:03SPEAKERbehind the spoken language becoming more

51:05SPEAKERand more archaic over time?

51:07SPEAKEROr by far the worst outcome will spoken language stagnate

51:11SPEAKERas there are fewer humans innovating on its use?

51:14SPEAKERIs this a problem the LLM owners will try to address

51:17SPEAKERwith techniques such as training on Twitch streams

51:19SPEAKERuntil there are enough generated streams to make

51:21SPEAKERthat worthless?

51:23SPEAKER- So we talked about Amazon training on Twitch streams

51:26SPEAKERthe other day, this constantly happens.

51:31SPEAKERAs global media has taken over, this has been a thing

51:34SPEAKERthat's happened for a long time.

51:35SPEAKERIt's an ongoing question, right?

51:38SPEAKERYou think about the gapification of fashion starting

51:41SPEAKERin the '90s when khakis and plaid shirts took over

51:46SPEAKERand how tight the fashion cycles have become

51:52SPEAKERsince the '90s, since we were kids.

51:57SPEAKERThat happens and then what happens is the youth come along

52:00SPEAKERand they push back and revolt against this in a big way.

52:03SPEAKER- Yes. - Right?

52:04SPEAKER- Yeah, it's impossible for me to see spoken language

52:07SPEAKERstagnating in any appreciable way.

52:09SPEAKER- I think if anything, if this does start happening

52:12SPEAKERand if it does start stagnating, then what we'll actually see

52:14SPEAKERis that the pushback will be even harder

52:17SPEAKERand we'll see the modern equivalent

52:19SPEAKERof cockney rhyming slang come out.

52:21SPEAKERGretchen McCullough at The Illusionist talks about this

52:23SPEAKERa fair amount, this kind of stagnation

52:26SPEAKERin the trends in language and I don't know

52:28SPEAKERthat she's talked about LLMs and how that's impacting

52:32SPEAKERbut I'm kind of increasingly of the opinion

52:35SPEAKERthat this might be a shorter term problem

52:37SPEAKERthan we think it's gonna be.

52:38SPEAKER- I have entertained that idea as well.

52:41SPEAKERAll the various vectors of backlash might converge

52:44SPEAKERat a certain point or might create a tipping point

52:46SPEAKERwhere this problem maybe doesn't go away

52:48SPEAKERbut at least is blunted to some degree.

52:54SPEAKER- I wonder if they're trying to boil the frogs too quickly

52:58SPEAKERand the frogs have noticed 'cause between the revolts

53:01SPEAKERagainst the local data centers,

53:03SPEAKEReven when they're not LLM related,

53:06SPEAKERthe folks that are rejecting the surveillance capitalism

53:09SPEAKERand like the--

53:11SPEAKER- Did you see that some jury just refused to,

53:14SPEAKERI don't know if it was a grand jury refusing to indict

53:16SPEAKERor if they were actually brought to trial

53:18SPEAKERbut there's been examples of people

53:21SPEAKERlike destroying flock cameras and then juries being like,

53:23SPEAKERyeah, I don't see anything wrong here.

53:25SPEAKER- Yeah, the jury nullification on the flock cameras

53:28SPEAKERis the thing I was thinking about.

53:29SPEAKERThere's also like I was on one of the 3D printer sites,

53:33SPEAKERthe 3D print model sites the other day

53:34SPEAKERand I saw somebody, there were 50 designs for,

53:38SPEAKERhey, if you put some epoxy on this thing that you print,

53:40SPEAKERyou can smack it on top of a flock camera

53:42SPEAKERand it'll just be completely useless at that point.

53:44SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I'm also, this is very anecdotal.

53:47SPEAKERThis is not data but I'm seeing multiple examples

53:49SPEAKERof like parents of younger children,

53:53SPEAKERlike kind of probably middle school-ish age children

53:55SPEAKERright now just talking about how all their kids

53:57SPEAKERand all their friends think AI anything

54:00SPEAKERis incredibly cringe now.

54:02SPEAKER- So the kids, my daughter's friend peer group,

54:05SPEAKERincluding the kids that she goes to school with

54:08SPEAKERremotely online that live all over the country

54:10SPEAKERare pretty much universally anti-AI.

54:13SPEAKERThe interesting thing is they're anti-AI

54:17SPEAKERfor the reason that is like if I'm sitting here all day

54:19SPEAKERhaving to learn stuff, I might as well learn stuff

54:21SPEAKERand if I just let the machine do this for me,

54:23SPEAKERwhy am I wasting my time sitting here all fucking day?

54:26SPEAKERWhich is like the most pragmatic

54:28SPEAKERand also heartwarming response to this beyond--

54:32SPEAKER- Yes, that is about the best perspective

54:33SPEAKERyou could have in that position.

54:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so anyway, I don't know,

54:38SPEAKERmaybe this is gonna be a blip and this will be,

54:42SPEAKERthe stuff that, like the stuff that Cory Doctorow

54:45SPEAKERhas been screaming about for 25 years now

54:47SPEAKERis suddenly mainstream in a way

54:49SPEAKERthat I didn't ever expect to happen

54:51SPEAKERand it's because they've turned up the heat on all of it.

54:54SPEAKER- Yep, they don't know when to quit.

54:56SPEAKER- What is it, there's three grams of gold

54:58SPEAKERand 15 grams of copper in every flock camera?

55:01SPEAKERThis is the information you needed to know?

55:03SPEAKER- Interesting. - Yeah.

55:05SPEAKER- All right, well, do with that what you will.

55:08SPEAKERLet's just finish out the everything is terrible block.

55:11SPEAKER- Everything is awesome.

55:12SPEAKER- Here from Chip Shirley, this is a dark idea.

55:15SPEAKER- Oh no.

55:16SPEAKER- I was listening to a podcast recently

55:18SPEAKERand a guest on it had both a speaking voice

55:20SPEAKERand speaking style that I found less than pleasant

55:23SPEAKERas it was only a guest I powered through the episode,

55:26SPEAKERbut had it been a host and it was my first listen,

55:28SPEAKERI would have dropped the podcast.

55:30SPEAKERThis got me thinking, do you see a future

55:32SPEAKERwhere podcast hosts use virtual voices to clean up

55:35SPEAKERtheir speaking style and change their voice to be appealing

55:39SPEAKERbeyond just adjusting levels?

55:41SPEAKERSomething like a VTuber, but just for their voice,

55:44SPEAKERI would expect this would use

55:46SPEAKERsome machine learning application.

55:47SPEAKERI'm seeing a prompt like take Chip's audio,

55:50SPEAKERbut output in a voice that sounds pleasant,

55:52SPEAKERdeep, radio friendly, wise and thoughtful.

55:54SPEAKERAlso remove unnecessary pauses,

55:57SPEAKERumms and similar thinking noises.

56:00SPEAKEROr do you think this is already happening?

56:01SPEAKERThere's nothing worse than editing your own podcast

56:03SPEAKERand realizing how many times an hour you say um.

56:06SPEAKER- Yep, yep, that's for sure.

56:08SPEAKER- I hope this doesn't happen.

56:12SPEAKERI'm sure people will use this.

56:14SPEAKERIt's the equivalent of like the blemish fix

56:16SPEAKERon your video call, but hear your voice.

56:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't have any evidence

56:19SPEAKERthat this kind of thing is happening right now,

56:21SPEAKERbut I would be shocked if it doesn't come to be

56:23SPEAKERat some point.

56:23SPEAKERIt is happening in high level,

56:25SPEAKERlike Hollywood production though.

56:26SPEAKERLike that's exactly what the Darth Vader performance

56:30SPEAKERin that Obi-Wan show was.

56:32SPEAKERWas, I forget the name of the middleware

56:34SPEAKERthat they used for that,

56:35SPEAKERbut there was some company in Eastern Europe

56:38SPEAKERthat made like a software package they worked with

56:40SPEAKERfor that show that was, if I remember correctly,

56:42SPEAKERmy understanding was they had a human being

56:44SPEAKERperformed that role in their voice.

56:46SPEAKERAnd then they used-

56:47SPEAKER- Is it the Luke Skywalker one too in The Mandalorian?

56:49SPEAKER- Maybe, I don't know if they did that the same way though,

56:52SPEAKERbecause that wasn't, it's hard to say.

56:55SPEAKERWhat I heard of that voice did not sound as pitch perfect.

56:57SPEAKERLike the, I mean, you know, said the acting part aside,

57:01SPEAKERthe Vader voice in that Obi-Wan show

57:02SPEAKERwas pretty indistinguishable from the real thing,

57:05SPEAKERjust the tonality of it, you know,

57:07SPEAKERthe resonance and everything,

57:08SPEAKERlike it really sounded like him.

57:10SPEAKERSo I don't know if they did the same thing

57:12SPEAKERwith Mandalorian, but that was exactly

57:16SPEAKERwhat they're talking about here,

57:17SPEAKERwas somebody else talking and then applying.

57:18SPEAKERWell, of course this is, what he's talking about here

57:20SPEAKERis transforming the content a little more than that was,

57:24SPEAKERwhere that was just sort of changing

57:25SPEAKERthe character of the voice on top of a performance,

57:28SPEAKERwhere this would be rephrasing your audio

57:31SPEAKERand stuff like that, but.

57:32SPEAKER- Now, the thing I will say I know is happening

57:35SPEAKERis that there's a lot of, hey, if you're a content creator

57:40SPEAKERand you want to make a podcast,

57:41SPEAKERyou can turn your newsletter into a podcast really easily

57:44SPEAKERby running it through our simple tool chain

57:47SPEAKERthat probably grinds up kittens to make it work.

57:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that's just, at some point,

57:51SPEAKERthat's just kind of advanced text to speech.

57:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, the more interesting thing for me

57:57SPEAKERis the other way, like, could we make a newsletter

58:00SPEAKERthat is generated off of our podcast,

58:02SPEAKERor could we make, I mean, we should actually,

58:05SPEAKERI do need to actually figure out

58:07SPEAKERhow to make decent transcripts,

58:08SPEAKER'cause the transcripts that are coming out now

58:10SPEAKERare quite good and I feel like that's an okay use

58:13SPEAKERof the whole technology, but yeah, I don't know.

58:16SPEAKERI, yeah, this is grim.

58:20SPEAKER- Yeah, well, or potentially grim.

58:22SPEAKERIt's, it's, it is speculatively grim.

58:25SPEAKERI don't know that anybody's actually doing this yet.

58:27SPEAKER- There's definitely a startup out there working on this.

58:29SPEAKERI guarantee you that there is.

58:31SPEAKER- Probably, or it's just gonna get Sherlock'd

58:33SPEAKERinto a bunch of existing products.

58:35SPEAKER- Yeah, hey, hey, hey. - Eventually.

58:37SPEAKER- NVIDIA broadcast for the way you talk in meetings.

58:39SPEAKER- Yeah, let's do another couple real quick ones here.

58:43SPEAKERPerson stuff, what do you think about the recent crop

58:45SPEAKERof new keyboard phones?

58:47SPEAKERDo you think you can see yourself making the switch?

58:49SPEAKERCould a more square screen help with doom scrolling?

58:52SPEAKERI didn't know this was a thing.

58:54SPEAKER- Oh yeah, there's a Kickstarter right now

58:55SPEAKERfor a thing called the Minimal Phone 2.

58:57SPEAKERIt's raised $1.7 million and has 2,500 backers,

59:00SPEAKERand it's basically an Android phone with a squarish screen

59:04SPEAKERand a full like, not BlackBerry style keyboard,

59:09SPEAKERbut like a chiclet style keyboard.

59:10SPEAKER- It's like a modern smartphone design

59:14SPEAKERmated with kind of a BlackBerry.

59:16SPEAKERIt's like, it's sort of halfway between like an iPhone

59:18SPEAKERand a BlackBerry.

59:19SPEAKERThat's interesting, I have not seen that.

59:21SPEAKER- Well, and when you look at their phone,

59:24SPEAKERwhen you look at their marketing, it's all like,

59:26SPEAKERhey, you're a rebel, we've let our phones rule us

59:30SPEAKERinstead of ruling our phones, which is not untrue.

59:32SPEAKER- They're not wrong.

59:33SPEAKERAlso, so I didn't know about keyboard phones coming back,

59:36SPEAKERbut I did know about like,

59:37SPEAKERthere's been some like candy bar phones,

59:39SPEAKERfeature phones have come back in a way,

59:41SPEAKERand I guess this is just the next logical evolution of that.

59:44SPEAKER- Well, there was actually a big,

59:47SPEAKERI can't remember who said it.

59:49SPEAKERI saw something the other day that was really interesting,

59:51SPEAKERand it basically was a new recommendation

59:54SPEAKERthat you probably shouldn't give your kids access to a phone

59:57SPEAKERuntil they're in high school at the earliest, right?

1:00:02SPEAKERWhich is impractical for a lot of people

1:00:05SPEAKERthat have two working parents,

1:00:06SPEAKERbecause you need to be able to find out

1:00:09SPEAKERwhere your kid is after school

1:00:10SPEAKERand set up times to meet and stuff like that.

1:00:14SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know how I feel

1:00:17SPEAKERabout these kinds of feature phones.

1:00:19SPEAKERFor the way I work, my phone is really vitally important

1:00:23SPEAKERto me if I wanna not be sitting in front of my desk all day.

1:00:26SPEAKERAnd I don't know that it works for me, but I do,

1:00:30SPEAKERlike I think rather than go this direction,

1:00:33SPEAKERI would just go for a dumb phone

1:00:35SPEAKERif I was worried about this.

1:00:37SPEAKER- I'm probably with you.

1:00:39SPEAKERI also don't see switching off of an iPhone anytime soon,

1:00:41SPEAKERbut I fully support any amount of weird stuff

1:00:46SPEAKERpeople want to do to diversify the phone market

1:00:50SPEAKERbeyond the high-end smartphone

1:00:51SPEAKERor even the low-end smartphone,

1:00:52SPEAKERlike just any weird experiments

1:00:55SPEAKERwith other phone paradigms, I am all for.

1:01:00SPEAKER- The one thing I will say is that I don't like,

1:01:05SPEAKERI do see like, okay, there's two things, two thoughts here.

1:01:09SPEAKEROne is that we have basically have two points of failure

1:01:12SPEAKERin tech for phone OSs at this point.

1:01:15SPEAKERWe have Android and we have iOS

1:01:16SPEAKERand both have their own unique set of problems

1:01:18SPEAKERand we're at the whim of like,

1:01:21SPEAKERGoogle is essentially dead to me

1:01:22SPEAKERwith the things that they've been doing

1:01:23SPEAKERto their phone ecosystem.

1:01:24SPEAKERSo that means if iOS goes that same direction,

1:01:26SPEAKERI'm really hosed.

1:01:28SPEAKERThe other thing is the predictive text keyboards,

1:01:30SPEAKERespecially as they've added AI to them

1:01:31SPEAKERhave turned into hot garbage.

1:01:34SPEAKERLike my iPhone keyboard now is just replacing,

1:01:38SPEAKERlike if I start typing something,

1:01:39SPEAKERsometimes it'll jam out a whole phrase there

1:01:42SPEAKERthat is absolutely not what I wanted

1:01:44SPEAKERand not where I was going.

1:01:45SPEAKERAnd then I have to back, back, back, back, back

1:01:46SPEAKERto release that.

1:01:48SPEAKERSo I do see the appeal of having a hardware keyboard

1:01:51SPEAKERand turning off all the predictive tech stuff entirely.

1:01:54SPEAKERAm I gonna actually go as far as to buy a phone

1:01:57SPEAKERwith a hardware keyboard and do that?

1:01:58SPEAKERNo, 'cause that seems insane to me.

1:02:00SPEAKER- Yeah, is that thing just an Android underneath?

1:02:02SPEAKER- It's just an Android, yeah.

1:02:04SPEAKER- I guess that makes sense.

1:02:05SPEAKERLike probably just about anything that's not Apple

1:02:07SPEAKERthat even if it's an experimental hardware design,

1:02:09SPEAKERit's probably still just gonna run Android

1:02:11SPEAKERat the end of the day, right?

1:02:12SPEAKER- Yeah, but it's Android in the sense

1:02:13SPEAKERof the Linux kernel is Linux, right?

1:02:16SPEAKERIn that they're not, I don't think they're putting

1:02:17SPEAKERthe G Suite of apps and the Google, like all the Google,

1:02:21SPEAKERthey've unplumbed all the Google architecture

1:02:23SPEAKERout of it is my understanding.

1:02:24SPEAKER- I mean, I guess that's the beauty of Android

1:02:25SPEAKERis you can just build your own stuff on top of it, right?

1:02:28SPEAKER- Yeah, so anyway, I don't know.

1:02:30SPEAKERI feel like having access to those apps is important

1:02:36SPEAKER'cause like if it has three of the five apps

1:02:39SPEAKERthat I use on the day-to-day and not the other two,

1:02:41SPEAKERthen it's not good.

1:02:42SPEAKERThey do have the full suite of Android apps.

1:02:45SPEAKERSo I guess they have enough plumbing

1:02:46SPEAKERto get the Play Store on.

1:02:47SPEAKERBut anyway, I really think if I cared enough about this,

1:02:51SPEAKERI would just put a pocket camera in my pocket

1:02:54SPEAKERand buy a dumb phone.

1:02:55SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think that's the way.

1:02:58SPEAKERAll right, last one real quick.

1:03:00SPEAKERSquirrely, I think is probably how you say this.

1:03:04SPEAKERBrad, can you mention the resources you found most useful

1:03:07SPEAKERwhen you did a deep dive on the Linux boot process?

1:03:09SPEAKERI know that, I know you said that's a topic

1:03:12SPEAKERyou wanted to be on Dual Boot Diaries for.

1:03:14SPEAKERI'm interested in doing a deep dive

1:03:16SPEAKERand would love to know what you found most useful.

1:03:19SPEAKERTwo answers to this.

1:03:20SPEAKERThe refined documentation is probably the place to start.

1:03:24SPEAKER- It is so good.

1:03:24SPEAKERIt is unbelievable. - It is dense.

1:03:26SPEAKERLike we've said this before, it is incredibly dense.

1:03:29SPEAKERIt is just a 90s ass web design,

1:03:34SPEAKERblack text on white background, a huge wall of text.

1:03:36SPEAKERIt is pretty dense to pick through.

1:03:38SPEAKERIt is not the most readable user-friendly thing

1:03:41SPEAKERI've ever seen, but it's the guy who developed refined

1:03:43SPEAKERthe kind of boot manager menu thing that is very cool.

1:03:48SPEAKERLike he also, I think that guy has deeper roots

1:03:51SPEAKERin contributing to other UEFI stuff than I realized

1:03:54SPEAKERbesides maintaining refined.

1:03:56SPEAKER- Makes sense. - If I'm not mistaken,

1:03:57SPEAKERlike I don't know what his involvement, anyway.

1:03:59SPEAKERHe has done very extensive documentation

1:04:03SPEAKERabout how just kind of the boot chain works

1:04:06SPEAKERfrom the time you turn your computer on

1:04:07SPEAKERto how UEFI takes over and what it can boot

1:04:10SPEAKERand where partitions need to live and all that stuff

1:04:12SPEAKERis kind of the place to start with that stuff.

1:04:15SPEAKERAnd then I think he'll probably link off

1:04:17SPEAKERto maybe some other stuff from his documentation

1:04:19SPEAKERhere and there.

1:04:20SPEAKER- When I'm looking at the refined page,

1:04:22SPEAKERhe still does blue links for stuff you haven't read

1:04:24SPEAKERand purple links for stuff you have clicked.

1:04:26SPEAKERAnd like getting refined, installing and uninstalling refined

1:04:31SPEAKERusing refined, configuring the boot manager,

1:04:33SPEAKERusing EFI drivers and managing secure boot,

1:04:35SPEAKERall purple links on my,

1:04:37SPEAKERthose are some of his blog posts that I've read.

1:04:39SPEAKER- Yes, yes, like some very extensive documentation there.

1:04:41SPEAKERThe other thing I'm gonna say real quick

1:04:43SPEAKERis that I am extremely overdue for a Windows reinstall.

1:04:48SPEAKERAnd I have got some new mad science thoughts on,

1:04:51SPEAKERI'm gonna start dual booting Linux and Windows

1:04:53SPEAKERfrom the same drive.

1:04:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I do that, it's fine.

1:04:57SPEAKER- Yeah, so yeah, right.

1:04:58SPEAKERSo it's, but I'd also got some ideas

1:05:01SPEAKERabout making Windows behave a little better

1:05:03SPEAKERor kind of laying things out

1:05:04SPEAKERthe way I want them to be partition wise.

1:05:06SPEAKERAnyway, the long story short, when I'm off next lander

1:05:09SPEAKERin a couple of weeks, I'm gonna spend a chunk of that time

1:05:13SPEAKERoverhauling my boot drive.

1:05:14SPEAKERAnd so we should--

1:05:15SPEAKER- Before you do that, we should talk about it.

1:05:16SPEAKER'Cause I have less hard learned lessons

1:05:20SPEAKERabout getting that dual boot to work right.

1:05:22SPEAKERThe big tip that I'll give just for people

1:05:24SPEAKERwho are listening and might wanna try this

1:05:25SPEAKERbefore we get to that episode

1:05:27SPEAKERis that you wanna have two boot partitions.

1:05:29SPEAKERYou wanna have a Windows boot partition

1:05:31SPEAKERthat Windows knows about that's the first one on the drive.

1:05:33SPEAKERAnd then you put a Linux boot partition that's pretty big

1:05:36SPEAKERtoward the end of the drive.

1:05:37SPEAKER- So what if I, wait, are you talking about system partition

1:05:40SPEAKERor-- - System partition.

1:05:41SPEAKER- Oh, I thought you meant the EFI system,

1:05:44SPEAKERlike not the ESP. - I'm talking about the--

1:05:45SPEAKER- You're not talking about the ESP,

1:05:46SPEAKERyou're talking about the actual big partition

1:05:50SPEAKERthat the OS lives in.

1:05:51SPEAKER- No, no, I'm talking about the bootable partition.

1:05:55SPEAKERI'm talking about the ESP, yeah.

1:05:57SPEAKER- The FAT32 partition.

1:05:58SPEAKER- Yeah, so Windows, you give Windows its own

1:06:00SPEAKERand then Windows never messes up your Linux one.

1:06:02SPEAKER'Cause the problem that always happens

1:06:04SPEAKERis when there's a big Windows update,

1:06:05SPEAKERit will jack up your Linux boot partition

1:06:07SPEAKERif you put the Linux stuff in there as well.

1:06:10SPEAKERBut all of the modern Linux boot loaders will pass through,

1:06:14SPEAKERwill just say, "Oh, there's a Windows partition,

1:06:16SPEAKER"I'm just gonna pass through to that, don't worry about it."

1:06:17SPEAKER- What if I said no to your rules?

1:06:19SPEAKER- That's fine.

1:06:20SPEAKER- What if I accept no limits?

1:06:22SPEAKER- Look, I'm never gonna tell you not to do your Brad thing.

1:06:27SPEAKER- What if I refuse to bow to the men in Redmond?

1:06:32SPEAKER- I mean, look,

1:06:35SPEAKERI like for my computer to work reliably when I turn it on

1:06:38SPEAKERand I have no fear when I update Windows.

1:06:41SPEAKER- I get it, I get it.

1:06:42SPEAKER- I also have some real thoughts

1:06:43SPEAKERabout whether file partitions

1:06:45SPEAKERand whether you should share Steam across OSes.

1:06:48SPEAKER- Definitely not doing that.

1:06:49SPEAKER- Oh, that's great, you should do that.

1:06:50SPEAKERThat's the best way to live.

1:06:52SPEAKER- I 100% gave up on sharing a Steam install

1:06:54SPEAKERbetween Windows and Linux.

1:06:56SPEAKERI'm probably never gonna play games in Linux anyway,

1:06:59SPEAKERso it doesn't matter.

1:06:59SPEAKER- Wow, wow.

1:07:00SPEAKER- I mean, if you have a Windows install already,

1:07:03SPEAKERwhy not just use the thing that plays all the games?

1:07:05SPEAKER- Turns out it runs a lot faster in a lot of, anyway.

1:07:08SPEAKERAnyway.

1:07:09SPEAKER- Anyway, we'll see.

1:07:10SPEAKERBut yeah, we should just do an episode about that

1:07:13SPEAKERonce I get through all of that and have stuff to report.

1:07:18SPEAKERAnd that's that for this month on the questions.

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1:09:17SPEAKERand you have one too, a silicon wafer

1:09:19SPEAKERwith the episode of the podcast printed on it.

1:09:22SPEAKER- Yes, thanks to very kind Discord member Bertron.

1:09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, shout out to Bertron.

1:09:27SPEAKERAlso makes a good cookie.

1:09:28SPEAKER- Etched, etched of the podcast into silicon.

1:09:31SPEAKER- Yes, we will be back next week.

1:09:33SPEAKERAs always, please consider the environment

1:09:36SPEAKERfor printing this podcast.

1:09:37SPEAKER(upbeat music)