00:00SPEAKERSo my steering wheel turned off yesterday?
00:02SPEAKERUh, your video game steering wheel, right?
00:05SPEAKERUh, no, not as much.
00:08SPEAKERYou're not a racing wheel guy anyway, right?
00:10SPEAKERI have one sitting over here, just in case.
00:14SPEAKERThe last time I dusted it off was when probably, I don't know,
00:18SPEAKERI subscribed to iRacing for like two years and played with some friends
00:20SPEAKERevery night during the pandemic. Things were weird.
00:22SPEAKERI was once told one should not buy a racing wheel, but...
00:26SPEAKERIt has a lot of buttons. It's really cool.
00:28SPEAKERBe that as it may.
00:29SPEAKERIt's like, it's got two grips and it's like an F1 kind of dealy
00:33SPEAKERand it has knobs and dials and screens and it's a fancy boy.
00:37SPEAKERBut no, I'm not talking about that wheel.
00:38SPEAKERThat wheel's, as far as I know, just fine.
00:41SPEAKERMaybe slightly dust covered.
00:42SPEAKERUnlike some real cars I could mention,
00:44SPEAKERI assume that one doesn't just randomly disable itself.
00:47SPEAKERSo I took my daughter up to class yesterday afternoon
00:52SPEAKERand then I came back to the house.
00:53SPEAKERAnd when I went back to pick her up after class,
00:56SPEAKER'cause it was a hundred degrees or something insanely hot down here, the steering wheel,
01:01SPEAKERI got a "Hey man, check your lane assist function" warning from the car,
01:05SPEAKERwhich is like the thing that keeps you from smashing into other cars
01:07SPEAKERwhen you're changing lanes, it beeps at you.
01:10SPEAKERAnd then I looked down and I realized that none of the lights on the steering wheel were on.
01:14SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, my steering wheel has crashed."
01:17SPEAKERAnd I couldn't get it turned back on.
01:20SPEAKERSo I reset the entertainment system.
01:22SPEAKERI think I have to pull...
01:24SPEAKERSo I did some research, did some reading.
01:26SPEAKERYes, you were shaking your head.
01:27SPEAKER- I'm just a little...
01:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
01:29SPEAKER- This is a lot to absorb.
01:30SPEAKER- Yeah, like...
01:31SPEAKER- Well, there's a lot of questions that spawned from this.
01:34SPEAKERLike is the steering wheel part of the entertainment center or software package?
01:37SPEAKERDoes it have its own governance one would hope?
01:39SPEAKER- So it connects to the steering wheel parts.
01:42SPEAKERIt's the steering wheel part that turns the car is a mechanical linkage to the wheels,
01:47SPEAKERjust like in most other cars these days.
01:49SPEAKER- Good, check.
01:50SPEAKER- So that part still worked.
01:52SPEAKERThe horn, simple circuit, so it'll work no matter what, still work.
01:58SPEAKERThe turn signals, the shifter, the windshield wipers, all of that stuff, no problem.
02:03SPEAKERThe buttons on the steering wheel that control cruise control and like lane keeping
02:08SPEAKERand let you change the HUD on the little screen in front of you
02:12SPEAKERand change the volume and mute on your entertainment stuff, none of those are working.
02:17SPEAKER- Okay, so you're not like dead in the water as far as just controlling the vehicle then.
02:20SPEAKER- Well, but also the pedal shifters don't work, which is kind of important
02:24SPEAKER'cause it determines what kind of driving mode the car is in,
02:27SPEAKERwhether it's in like the one pedal mode or whether it's in the automatic recovery mode
02:32SPEAKERor whether it's in one of the more aggressive or less aggressive recharging modes.
02:37SPEAKERSo I can't change that, which is kind of annoying
02:39SPEAKER'cause I do change that fairly regularly.
02:41SPEAKERBut yeah, no, the car still works.
02:44SPEAKERLooking into it, depending on which model car it is,
02:46SPEAKERit seems like there's this bus that all of the electronics in the car talk across.
02:50SPEAKERAnd that could have conked out or it could just be a mechanical failure in the kind of like,
02:57SPEAKERyou know, to have wires go into something that turns 360 degrees.
03:02SPEAKERThere's a special kind of joint, a spring clamp, I think it's called, that may have also failed.
03:06SPEAKERSo I got to take it to the TL;DR.
03:08SPEAKER- I was gonna say, to cut to the chase, did it ever come back?
03:11SPEAKERIt sounds like no.
03:11SPEAKER- I tried it again last night at like midnight.
03:14SPEAKERI haven't tried it yet today.
03:15SPEAKERIt was insanely hot down here yesterday.
03:17SPEAKERSo when I got in the car to pick her up,
03:18SPEAKERit was like probably 120 inside the car, which is hotter than we usually see here,
03:22SPEAKERbut not like outside the pale for most of North America in the summertime.
03:26SPEAKER- Have you ever seen any squirrels fleeing your vehicle?
03:29SPEAKER- No, that was the first thing I was afraid of.
03:31SPEAKERI opened it up to make sure that we hadn't had rats eating the wires and shortening stuff out.
03:36SPEAKER- Were you one of the, I feel like several people that has told me in the last few years
03:41SPEAKERthat rodents of some kind had gnawed wires in their car?
03:44SPEAKER- Not my car, but one of my daughter's friends' parents' car had an Audi
03:49SPEAKERwith the bioplastic wire sheath.
03:51SPEAKER- Oh, is that what it is?
03:52SPEAKEROkay.
03:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it's made out of corn.
03:54SPEAKER- Oh, well that explains everything then.
03:56SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:56SPEAKER- I feel like I've heard from at least one or at least one, if not two people,
04:00SPEAKERthat their mechanic or whoever they had fixed the car told them like,
04:04SPEAKER"Yeah, the wires are now made out of some material that rodents really like to eat."
04:08SPEAKERAnd that kind of explains everything.
04:10SPEAKER- Yep.
04:10SPEAKERThey totaled her Audi.
04:13SPEAKER- Wow.
04:14SPEAKER- Yeah, because they ate the entire, enough of the wiring harness that it was cheaper
04:18SPEAKERto just total the car than it was to dismantle it fully and replace the wiring harness.
04:23SPEAKER- Okay.
04:24SPEAKER- So anyway, my takeaway on this is maybe if there's some sort of network bus that can crash
04:30SPEAKERat such a high level that makes the steering wheel button stop working,
04:34SPEAKERmaybe we've gone too far with the cars.
04:36SPEAKER- Decomputerized cars?
04:39SPEAKERNo, maybe not yet.
04:40SPEAKER- I don't know.
04:41SPEAKERThere's that slate.
04:42SPEAKER(upbeat music)
05:11SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.
05:12SPEAKERI'm Will.
05:13SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
05:13SPEAKER- Brad, it's the happiest day of the week for Apple and iOS fans.
05:19SPEAKER- Is it?
05:20SPEAKER- And it's the episode that the Android people skip and complain about every year.
05:24SPEAKER- You know, I don't remember a lot of complaints for the last couple of years,
05:27SPEAKERso either they are okay with it or we have just shed all the Android users.
05:31SPEAKERThat can't be true.
05:32SPEAKER- We have a lot of Android users still.
05:33SPEAKER- Yeah, plenty of Android users on the Discord as far as I can tell.
05:38SPEAKERApple is an interesting company and I think it is, and I've said this elsewhere,
05:42SPEAKERI think they are an amazing technology company.
05:43SPEAKERAnd I think it is worth keeping up with what they're doing,
05:45SPEAKEReven if you don't necessarily care for their products.
05:47SPEAKER- I would tend to agree with that.
05:49SPEAKERAnd the other interesting thing is it gives the Android people something fun to say,
05:54SPEAKER"Hey, we had that 10 years ago on our Pixel phones,"
05:57SPEAKERbecause there's a lot of that this go round.
06:00SPEAKERBut yeah, it's WWDC week.
06:03SPEAKERThat is hard to say, WWDC.
06:05SPEAKER- Do they need... I have thought for years whether they need a new name for this thing.
06:10SPEAKER- Do you know like they're hosted in...
06:13SPEAKER- WWDC.
06:14SPEAKER- So they're hosted like, "Hey, what's going on at the developer conference
06:20SPEAKERdaily show is called The Dub Dub," which is good.
06:24SPEAKERThat would have been cool like eight years ago, probably.
06:26SPEAKERSo that's pretty good for Apple.
06:27SPEAKER- I mean, at least they're kind of leaning into it a little bit, but yeah.
06:29SPEAKERI mean, worldwide developers' conference is what we're talking about here, right?
06:32SPEAKERBut it does not quite roll off the tongue like some conference names could.
06:37SPEAKER- No, it used to be an in-person thing.
06:39SPEAKERI think they still invite some people to come in person,
06:41SPEAKERbut for the most part it's virtual.
06:42SPEAKER- Oh, this is not an in-person show floor thing anymore?
06:45SPEAKER- No, it all happens at the circle.
06:48SPEAKER- Oh, they just have people in for a keynote and then that's it?
06:51SPEAKER- It's unclear to me how you get to go to the circle, but yeah.
06:55SPEAKER- Interesting.
06:56SPEAKER- Like I think they had press there.
06:58SPEAKERLike maybe they just had employees sitting in the audience.
07:00SPEAKERIt seems like it's almost all prerecorded at this point.
07:02SPEAKER- What I mean though is like developers are not gathering for talks or anything.
07:05SPEAKERLike I thought this was just kind of Apple's in-house GDC type equivalent
07:08SPEAKERwhere people were like having full-on seminars and presentations on stuff, but I guess not.
07:13SPEAKER- So that's what used to happen.
07:14SPEAKERIt used to happen at Moscone or I think occasionally down south in San Jose,
07:19SPEAKERbut mostly at Moscone in San Francisco.
07:21SPEAKER- Okay.
07:22SPEAKER- And a bazillion people come in, but it was like, it was super inaccessible
07:25SPEAKERbecause coming to San Francisco for a conference is hella expensive.
07:30SPEAKERThe tickets for that were really expensive.
07:32SPEAKERI think they realized it didn't scale and this is the solution for that.
07:35SPEAKERSo it's been like that for a few years.
07:36SPEAKER- One might argue that developing for Apple is in itself a bit inaccessible.
07:41SPEAKER- I mean, look.
07:42SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I guess I mean in terms of like cost of hardware and stuff like that.
07:46SPEAKERAnd it's not like they are not doing plenty of work
07:49SPEAKERto make development tools more accessible for developers.
07:52SPEAKER- Look, they give you a 5% discount if you're a business customer.
07:56SPEAKERThat's, you know, it keeps it nice and easy.
08:00SPEAKERSo when you're buying your $8,000 of Apple hardware to develop on,
08:03SPEAKERyou get 5% of that back.
08:06SPEAKER- I've often wondered specifically what it's like developing an iOS app
08:10SPEAKERand testing across every possible iOS device that you might ship on or support.
08:15SPEAKERLike, is that all automated or built into their development platform at this point?
08:20SPEAKER- I've never built a shipping iOS app before.
08:22SPEAKER- Yeah, same.
08:23SPEAKER- I built some like private stuff for Foo, but we never,
08:27SPEAKERlike it was not, it didn't go through cert or anything like that.
08:29SPEAKER- Like, I wonder if they virtualize some of that stuff.
08:33SPEAKERLike, I mean, like you're going to have differences just on dimensions of screen
08:36SPEAKERand UI layout and stuff like that, let alone like what the hardware can support.
08:40SPEAKERLike I surely, surely small time boutique iOS developers are not having to buy
08:44SPEAKERlike one of every phone on the market or something, right?
08:46SPEAKER- No, no, I think if you use their code environment thing, is it Xcode still?
08:54SPEAKERI don't remember.
08:55SPEAKER- They definitely still make that.
08:56SPEAKERI don't know if that's the thing here, but yeah.
08:58SPEAKER- Yeah, well, they used to provide a...
09:00SPEAKERWell, A, there was a virtual iPhone you could run inside the environment.
09:05SPEAKER- That's what I figured.
09:06SPEAKER- But B, the UI stuff was fairly abstracted, so you didn't have to do too much.
09:12SPEAKERLike that was one of the big advantages of iOS early on over Android in terms
09:15SPEAKERof developing apps was that they...
09:17SPEAKERWell, okay, for a long time, they only had one dimension screen, right?
09:22SPEAKERSo it was like iPhone 3G size or 2x pixels iPhone 3G size.
09:30SPEAKERAnd then they started making different shape screens and that changed everything.
09:34SPEAKERBut I feel like that stuff was fairly abstracted,
09:36SPEAKERso you didn't have to worry about it too much.
09:37SPEAKERI don't know for sure.
09:40SPEAKERBut yeah, so the kind of underpinning of this is that everybody hated last year's iOS.
09:45SPEAKERAnd Mac releases because it had the frosted glass stuff.
09:47SPEAKER- Man, look, I get social media algorithms are a thing.
09:51SPEAKERSome of this is being funneled to me because it's what I was looking at.
09:53SPEAKERAnd so I got more of it.
09:54SPEAKERI know better than to think that a curated for you page is indicative of broad consensus.
09:59SPEAKERBut boy, did I see a lot of hate for liquid glass nonstop since last year.
10:05SPEAKERIt still has yet to abate.
10:07SPEAKER- It got hate during the beta period and they made an adjustment during the beta period
10:11SPEAKERlast year, which is unusual because usually by the time you see UI stuff in beta periods
10:17SPEAKERfrom them, it's done.
10:19SPEAKERThere's no changing it, but they made it more legible.
10:22SPEAKERThis year as a whole seems like a, "Hey, we want to fix."
10:27SPEAKERIt's like, "Hey, let's do some refinements and fixes."
10:29SPEAKER- It's basically what they led with.
10:31SPEAKERI think the first real segment of any import in the keynote video is the liquid glass changes.
10:38SPEAKERThey seem pretty sensitive to it.
10:39SPEAKER- Craig Federangi made his weed joke as he does every year.
10:43SPEAKERThe name of the next Mac OS is Golden Gate.
10:45SPEAKERThat was the very first thing they led with, which is...
10:48SPEAKERMan, they think that joke is so good.
10:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it doesn't really matter.
10:54SPEAKERBut I think maybe they could use a bit of a makeover on these videos they post.
10:58SPEAKERThere is just a kind of stiffness to all the presentation that, I don't know.
11:02SPEAKER- The guys are getting older?
11:05SPEAKER- Well, there's that.
11:06SPEAKERI'm talking about literally just the production format, though, the half-person, walk-out,
11:10SPEAKERfull-frame, very, very manicured, rehearsed, teleprompter-reading kind of thing.
11:16SPEAKERIt's just a little stiff.
11:17SPEAKER- I kind of, I don't know, I don't hate that.
11:22SPEAKERI don't hate the format.
11:23SPEAKERI'd much rather have that than an awkward executive on the stage.
11:25SPEAKER- I guess so.
11:26SPEAKER- Having watched a lot of those keynotes at Computex and CES and stuff lately,
11:31SPEAKERlet them do this where they're the most comfortable and the most human.
11:34SPEAKERAnd if this is as human as they get, that's great.
11:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, whatever.
11:38SPEAKERI mean, I try to be conscious of not engaging in Steve Jobs' idolatry too much.
11:41SPEAKERLike the guy, there are plenty of shitty things about Steve Jobs,
11:44SPEAKERbut he was an unbelievable showman.
11:48SPEAKERHe casts a long shadow and they are not doing a great job of keeping that alive.
11:54SPEAKERI don't know.
11:54SPEAKER- Well, I mean, with Tim retiring, we'll see what comes next.
11:59SPEAKER'Cause that's the transition point probably.
12:01SPEAKER- But that is like, I guess there's not much to say about that here
12:04SPEAKERbecause John Ternus is the new guy, right?
12:07SPEAKERHe was not really front and center that I saw anywhere here.
12:10SPEAKERSo there's not much to think about there yet,
12:12SPEAKERbut I think he's taking over in what, September?
12:14SPEAKER- Yeah, September.
12:15SPEAKERSo presumably the next phones will be him.
12:17SPEAKER- Right.
12:17SPEAKER- Maybe it'll be after the next ones.
12:20SPEAKERI don't know.
12:20SPEAKER- So this is Tim Cook's last one of these.
12:22SPEAKERYeah, we'll see what changes.
12:23SPEAKERAnyway.
12:24SPEAKER- Can I sidebar real quick?
12:26SPEAKER'Cause my daughter has been playing Tomodachi Life and I was like,
12:29SPEAKER"Hey, show me who you have on your island."
12:31SPEAKERShe showed me and she made a Steve Jobs, Brad.
12:35SPEAKERI was like, "How do you even, like, what is your connection with Steve Jobs?
12:39SPEAKERCan we talk about this?"
12:41SPEAKERShe's like, "He's..."
12:41SPEAKER- Did she overlap with him at all or was she born after he passed?
12:44SPEAKER- He died in 2012, right?
12:45SPEAKER- 2011, I want to say.
12:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:47SPEAKERSo no, she was born in 2013.
12:49SPEAKER- Interesting.
12:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:51SPEAKERSo her connection is through object shows, which reference Steve Jobs as a villain
12:58SPEAKERwho makes a phone that brainwashes all the characters in her shows called Steve Cobbs,
13:04SPEAKERwho's actually just a big giant piece of corn.
13:06SPEAKERHe kind of looks like the Fortnite corn guy.
13:09SPEAKER- I don't have a clue what an object show is.
13:11SPEAKER- You do.
13:11SPEAKER- I hate to say.
13:12SPEAKER- It's experimental animation.
13:15SPEAKERRemember the animation festivals that used to tour in the '90s when you were in college
13:19SPEAKERand you'd go to, like, the school theater and you'd see some weird animation from Spike and
13:24SPEAKERMike or Spike and Ike or Spike and...yeah, it's like that, but made by 12-year-olds in 2010.
13:29SPEAKER- Is this just kind of like Next Generation Gary's mod or something?
13:32SPEAKERJust take some assets and slap them together to make them do things?
13:34SPEAKER- I think it's probably closer to, like, Flash animation, like early 2000s Flash animation.
13:39SPEAKER- Okay, all right, sure.
13:40SPEAKER- But yeah, it's...so anyway, yeah, she made Steve Cobbs in Tomodachi Life and I had to,
13:45SPEAKERlike...I was like, "What does Steve Jobs say?"
13:48SPEAKERAnd I can't remember his catchphrase, but it was pretty funny.
13:50SPEAKER- I don't know, maybe he is a villain, all things considered these days.
13:55SPEAKERLike setting aside his personal assholishness, which was profound,
14:01SPEAKERI don't think he had...he did not have bad intentions for what he unleashed on the world, but...
14:05SPEAKER- The intentions, sometimes the intentions don't matter, Brad.
14:09SPEAKER- The downstream effects of the supercomputer in everybody's pocket are maybe dire at this point.
14:17SPEAKERI don't know.
14:17SPEAKER- It's three things in one.
14:18SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.
14:19SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a web browser, a music player, nobody uses it for that anymore, though.
14:25SPEAKER- Yeah.
14:25SPEAKER- And also you can yell at people across the internet from anywhere you are, it's great.
14:29SPEAKERIt's what humans crave.
14:31SPEAKER- Yeah, in his defense, I randomly saw a clip of him at some point in the last couple years
14:37SPEAKERtalking about how much he valued independent journalism and how important that was to a
14:42SPEAKERfunctioning democracy and stuff like that.
14:43SPEAKERSo, I mean, I don't think he would have been thrilled with the way things are going and the
14:48SPEAKERway his company's devices have abetted those trends, but whatever.
14:54SPEAKER- It's funny because in the tech space, they never...like, they had a list of people that
14:59SPEAKERthey invited to things and they gave access to and that was it.
15:02SPEAKERIf you were outside of that loop, then you were cut off forever.
15:05SPEAKERSo, anyway, enough inside baseball nonsense.
15:10SPEAKERSo, yeah, you wrote in here that this feels like a Snow Leopard-style refinement release.
15:14SPEAKER- Golden Gate does, yeah.
15:15SPEAKER- Yeah, which I think that applies across the entire line.
15:18SPEAKERAll of this feels like there wasn't a ton of new stuff.
15:23SPEAKERLike, they're taking a third stab, I think, at adding AI stuff in a way that's different
15:28SPEAKERthan what everybody else is doing and maybe actually useful.
15:31SPEAKERI don't know.
15:31SPEAKER- It's really...it's basically liquid glass tweaks, new AI, like, finally making good
15:36SPEAKERon the AI stuff they're super late on that I promised and, like, some child safety stuff.
15:41SPEAKERAnd other than that, it's just, hey, we're making the stuff better, which, like, frankly,
15:45SPEAKERwhen did Snow Leopard come out?
15:46SPEAKER2009?
15:47SPEAKER- Two or three.
15:49SPEAKER- Wait, years?
15:51SPEAKER- It was early.
15:51SPEAKER- No, no, no.
15:52SPEAKERIt was definitely...
15:53SPEAKER- Really?
15:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it was when...it was after I started to whiskey.
15:56SPEAKERI think Snow Leopard was the first boxed macOS that I bought.
15:59SPEAKER- Yeah, sorry.
16:00SPEAKERIt was while I was still at maximum PC is what I was thinking.
16:02SPEAKERSo, yeah, it would have been, like, late 2000s.
16:03SPEAKER- 2009?
16:04SPEAKER- I think it was while I was using a Mac already.
16:07SPEAKER- Yeah, 2009.
16:08SPEAKER- Yeah.
16:08SPEAKER- But it's been since then, right?
16:11SPEAKEREarlier, this is the first one since then that feels like it's...maybe I haven't kept up with...
16:17SPEAKER- They did some iOS releases that they were, like, "Hey, this is a fix.
16:21SPEAKERThis is, like, we realized we had some performance regressions or whatever, and we're making it good."
16:27SPEAKERBut, yeah, it's unusual for them to come out and say, "Hey, everybody hated the last one,
16:31SPEAKERso we're going to make this one good."
16:32SPEAKER- Sure, but I'm, like, just generally looking at every year, new macOS and Windows ships,
16:37SPEAKERit's second half update that also adds a bunch of stuff.
16:41SPEAKERLike, in both cases, I always look at the feature list and, like, you know,
16:44SPEAKER90% of the stuff I do not care about.
16:46SPEAKERLike, I don't need...like, I kind of wish it was a little bit less.
16:50SPEAKERI wish the pendulum would swing a little bit away from we need, like, six big new features
16:55SPEAKERin the OS every year and more toward, "Hey, we're just maintaining this thing and making it work well."
17:00SPEAKER- So one of the things I always look at to see if I missed anything important when I
17:04SPEAKERwatch the keynote and take notes and then go through, you know, scour through their
17:07SPEAKERdocs on the developer page to see if there's anything else of interest that we've not talked
17:11SPEAKERabout for the list, I go to, like, The Verge and Gizmodo and, like, the tech blogs and I hit there,
17:18SPEAKER"What were the five most important announcements?"
17:20SPEAKERSo The Verge did their seven most important announcements at WWDC,
17:25SPEAKERwhich now I can't read without a Verge subscription.
17:29SPEAKERBut it was the AI revamp. It was, "Hey, you can point your camera at things and it'll describe
17:37SPEAKERwhat's on the screen." It was child safety stuff. And then it was, like, four things that I would
17:43SPEAKERnot have put on...like, I would have made this a three best things that Apple announced at WWDC list
17:48SPEAKERbecause it seemed pretty thin.
17:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm looking at it now. They split multiple AI features across their seven.
17:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:56SPEAKER- Which really, yes, those all could have been in one bucket.
17:58SPEAKER- Yeah. It was a weird choice.
18:02SPEAKER- Yeah. But, like, frankly, again, I'm kind of more excited about what they announced here than
18:07SPEAKERI would be if it had been, like, eight additional macOS features that I'm never going to use or iOS
18:11SPEAKERor whatever. Like...
18:12SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's funny because I was going down this list, making the list the other day,
18:16SPEAKERand I was like, "This kind of sucks." And then you wrote, "Yeah, this seems more like
18:20SPEAKERSnow Leopard." I was like, "Oh, right. They're going to make something that I'm actually
18:23SPEAKERexcited about using. This is good."
18:25SPEAKER- Like, there's some Snow Leopard nostalgia out there. Because you remember when they came out
18:28SPEAKERand they explicitly said, "Hey, next year, we're not going to add..." And that was pretty early
18:32SPEAKERstill in OS X. I mean, not that early. It was, like, OS X point...
18:35SPEAKER- It was, like, eight years in at that point.
18:37SPEAKER- Yeah. Or, say, 10.6. But still, it was early enough that they were... Because, you know,
18:42SPEAKEROS X was kind of a rickety mess when it came out, right?
18:45SPEAKER- Yeah. It was Panther that was the one... That was the first one that people were like,
18:49SPEAKER"Oh, you could actually use this."
18:50SPEAKER- And then Leopard was well-liked, but still, like, there was room for them to just say,
18:53SPEAKER"We're going to, like, take a pause on new features and just make this thing work better."
18:57SPEAKERAnd that's kind of a lot of what's in here, which is exciting. But,
19:00SPEAKERanyway, they sure did lead with, "Hey, we're fixing liquid glass," which is maybe not surprising.
19:06SPEAKERI do not remember the amount of hate for flat design when that came in.
19:10SPEAKER- Yeah. But it was, like, they were late on that because Google had done that earlier. So it was,
19:17SPEAKERlike, that was a more developed design language at that point, I think.
19:21SPEAKER- Yeah. But also, the Apple audience is just way more sensitive to aesthetics and...
19:26SPEAKER- Yeah. Well, the transparency stuff didn't land super well for Vista either when Microsoft rolled
19:32SPEAKERthat out. But that was, I think, mainly due to the fact that Vista's performance was bad on,
19:36SPEAKERlike, 90% of the available hardware when it launched.
19:38SPEAKER- Yeah.
19:39SPEAKER- So, yeah, the big things are that they're doing more depth and separation on those layers
19:45SPEAKERof the icons, and they're letting you adjust the opacity of the backgrounds.
19:51SPEAKER- That's the big one. Well, there are a couple of big ones here, but it's the slider. It is the...
19:55SPEAKERHey, you can make things more or less transparent now with the slider, and less trans...full
20:01SPEAKERopacity, according to their slider, is still, like, a very frosted glass. You're still going
20:06SPEAKERto see colors bleeding through kind of thing.
20:08SPEAKER- I don't find that offensive, but I know some people probably do.
20:10SPEAKER- I don't mind it. I don't get much out of it. I still think it's maybe a little more
20:14SPEAKERdistracting than I care for. Like, it just doesn't add anything to me. When you've got
20:19SPEAKERtext in the top bar and all of a sudden there's, like, red and green glowing bits as you scroll
20:25SPEAKERaround, like, you know, it does not help legibility. I'm not going to say it hurts it
20:28SPEAKERdramatically, but it...
20:29SPEAKER- It's funny because the thing I use it for more than any place else is when I have the
20:35SPEAKERdriving, like, I have a driving mode that when the phone's plugged into the car, it's like,
20:39SPEAKER"Oh, hey, you're in the car. I'm going to switch to driving mode." And it sends, "Hey,
20:43SPEAKERI'm not here right now, blah, blah, blah." But the big thing is I make those icons as
20:52SPEAKERhard to read as possible so that I have no temptation to pick up the phone and try to
20:56SPEAKERfutz with it while I'm driving.
20:57SPEAKER- Sure. That's smart.
20:58SPEAKER- But yeah, it's weird. The whole thing was weird. It felt a little bit like an unforced
21:05SPEAKERerror. It felt like the kind of thing that they were really stoked about inside because
21:08SPEAKERit is pretty, but it did definitely impact usability on a lot of stuff.
21:12SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure. I do wonder on the slider, if you set the slider to full opacity and
21:16SPEAKERalso maybe get into accessibility options where there are things like reduced transparency
21:21SPEAKERand reduced motion, I wonder if it's possible to get pretty close to the pre-liquid glass
21:26SPEAKERlook with kind of zero transparency. I mean, sometimes that has undesirable side effects
21:31SPEAKERthough because those toggles in accessibility are very broad and occasionally you'll...
21:35SPEAKERLike in...
21:36SPEAKER- Yeah, you can mess up something that is going to impact you downstream in a way that'll
21:40SPEAKERbe unpredictable.
21:41SPEAKER- Like in pursuit of getting rid of things you don't want, you often get rid of things
21:44SPEAKERyou do want as well. So that may not be great, but still like the changes here, I think they
21:49SPEAKERare leaving liquid glass in a place I can live with because I'm going to put that slider
21:53SPEAKERto minimum transparency and never touch it again.
21:56SPEAKER- Yeah. The other stuff that they did was they made it more consistent. There was a
22:01SPEAKERJohn Gruber post on Daring Fireball right after the liquid glass stuff shipped in beta
22:05SPEAKERlast year where he broke down all the stuff that was like busted and broke the classic
22:11SPEAKERApple design guidelines. And it's stuff like the sidebar is not expanding, the transparent
22:16SPEAKERsidebar is not going to the edge of the windows.
22:18SPEAKER- The toolbar and sidebar stuff in particular in that video, I like kind of pumped my fist
22:22SPEAKERwhen I saw that stuff because like the toolbars were not bars last year, they were just a
22:27SPEAKERbunch of floating bubble buttons with no bar behind it. Like the floating transparent
22:33SPEAKERbuttons over top of your content just looks terrible. So they're literally just adding
22:37SPEAKERa bar background to the button area again, which is like, feels like a no brainer and
22:42SPEAKERthe sidebar thing as well, like sidebars floated in the window and just took up extra space
22:47SPEAKERthey didn't need to. And they have just attached those to the window again in the way they
22:51SPEAKERused to like, it just looks more like old Mac. And I'm mostly using macOS as the touchstone
22:59SPEAKERhere not iOS. Yeah. Cause I think this matters more on an actual computer than on a phone
23:04SPEAKERcause there's more room for this stuff. But yeah, like the, just the basic like window
23:08SPEAKERelement changes they're making are all very good here.
23:12SPEAKER- So yeah, they did, they showed the macOS stuff a lot. They didn't, so, okay. The other
23:18SPEAKERthing we should talk about is that typically the way this press, this keynote was set up
23:24SPEAKERwas they would talk about one OS first and then they'd talk about another OS and then
23:28SPEAKERthey'd talk about the third OS. And there might be some bits where there was commonalities
23:31SPEAKERin between, but it would usually be introduced as part of either iOS or Mac OS or iPad OS
23:36SPEAKERor whatever. They didn't do that this time. This time they just got straight into features
23:39SPEAKERand where they apply across, they highlighted it. But like, they didn't talk about the
23:43SPEAKERTV OS at all, which isn't super surprising cause it's kind of more abundant, but like.
23:49SPEAKER- It's in weird stasis right now. Like, I mean, I swear it's been at least six months.
23:54SPEAKERWell, it's died down now, but for at least most of the last six months, the kind of Apple
23:58SPEAKERrumor mongers have been saying like new Apple TV any day now, like, like the supply chain
24:03SPEAKERis showing and they're overdue and like, we've got, you know, knowledge of a new model
24:07SPEAKERand blah, blah, blah. And it keeps, it keeps coming out. That might be part of it. The,
24:12SPEAKERI mean, the, the common wisdom is that they are going to be putting more AI stuff in the
24:17SPEAKERnext Apple TV and they're trying to get, they're trying to get all that stuff right
24:20SPEAKERbefore they ship it. So. - That would make sense. That would make sense to hold it then.
24:25SPEAKER- Not, not much else to talk about there. Real fast, one other UI thing before we get into the
24:30SPEAKERother categories here, the corners. I had to laugh at how much time they devoted to showing
24:36SPEAKERoff how they have finally unified the corners because I don't know if you have seen that is,
24:43SPEAKERthat has been a particular, I don't know what you want to call it, point of contention on social
24:47SPEAKERmedia is what I would call that. I don't know how many times I've seen people post like smarty
24:52SPEAKERcomparisons of like five different window corners and current Mac OS on social media and just be
24:58SPEAKERlike, what are we doing here? Cause it's like, they're all different. They all round at different
25:01SPEAKERangles. They really, yeah, yes. It is possible to have like three or four different corner
25:07SPEAKERgeometries on top of each other right now in current Mac OS. And like, like that's been,
25:13SPEAKERthat's been a point and laugh kind of thing since last year, basically people going like, what,
25:18SPEAKERthis is Apple we're talking about, like how did they ship this?
25:20SPEAKER- Do they have multiple like frameworks for drawing windows or something now?
25:24SPEAKER- I guess that's, I guess that's what it is. I don't know. I mean, some of it might be like
25:27SPEAKERelectron, you know, like stuff like discord on Mac OS is still electron and that might be,
25:31SPEAKERthat might have different corner rounding logic or whatever, but they basically like kind of
25:36SPEAKERforced that to be unified, but I mostly laughed at it because it really just feels like yet another
25:42SPEAKERexample of leadership in some like large institution taking cues from social media,
25:48SPEAKERcause like everything from like Xbox leadership to the federal government feels like it is all
25:52SPEAKERdownstream of what people are complaining about on social media these days.
25:56SPEAKER- It's funny because, well, okay, there's two ways we could go with this, but it's funny because
26:03SPEAKERI don't, like I expect stuff like the windows not displaying the same way to like,
26:08SPEAKERthat's just a cost of cost of doing business on Linux. I'm shocked. I mean,
26:13SPEAKERI haven't used Mac OS in a long time, so I'm shocked that that happens on Mac OS.
26:17SPEAKER- Even windows, even windows where there's still 25 plus years of legacy software support. Like
26:23SPEAKERyou just kind of expect that, but. - Yeah, no thanks.
26:26SPEAKER- Like Apple, Apple is the company that cares about aesthetics above all else, right?
26:29SPEAKER- Yeah. So, okay. So they talked about perf. I mean, theoretically,
26:33SPEAKERit seems like they care about perf this year too.
26:35SPEAKER- Yeah. I don't know if they put out a full list somewhere, like it was presented in the video as
26:40SPEAKERkind of a carousel. So it was kind of hard to take in all the improvements at once,
26:43SPEAKERbut it seemed like there were like dozens of we've made this faster.
26:46SPEAKER- I mean, they always in these keynotes do those big grids of icons and texts,
26:51SPEAKERlike in a range artfully to make it look like there's a whole bunch more stuff in there than
26:55SPEAKERthere probably is. But also the challenge with writing like, cause one of the ways to look at
27:02SPEAKERthese WWC keynotes is that they're patch notes for the entire Apple software stack.
27:06SPEAKER- Right. - And they do highlight stuff.
27:09SPEAKERLike they do go through and it seems like somebody is going through and
27:12SPEAKERflagging changes that people submit to be like, hey, we should talk about this in the keynote.
27:17SPEAKERThis is a good thing, right? I thought like they talked about CPU scheduler, which is
27:23SPEAKERa universal problem across all architectures and OS's now it seems like.
27:26SPEAKER- I mean, granted this is the developer's conference. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised,
27:29SPEAKERbut still hearing somebody from Apple say CPU scheduler in this presentation was kind of amusing.
27:35SPEAKER- Well, one of the interesting things that I've noticed in the last, since the last version of
27:39SPEAKERiOS came out is I now get the, hey, you're using more battery than you usually use by this time of
27:46SPEAKERday. So we're going to clock stuff down a little bit so that we're sure your battery lasts all day
27:51SPEAKERnotification. And that is, it's actually kind of what exactly what I want from a phone, right?
27:58SPEAKERLike the goal is the phone should last all day and me not have to think about it. And it seems
28:01SPEAKERlike they're moving in that direction. - Yeah. I finally scrubbed through this
28:04SPEAKERvideo and just found their giant list that they scroll by very quickly, like faster lock screen
28:09SPEAKERswitching, faster app launches, faster windows switching and iPad OS, faster media playback and
28:14SPEAKERwatch OS, faster and more reliable NFC reading, faster airdrop recipients discovery. Like it's
28:21SPEAKERjust on and on. - The faster airdrop discovery,
28:25SPEAKERthat's awesome. 'Cause that takes a while sometimes. They talked about preloading the apps
28:33SPEAKERthat you use at the certain times of day, stuff like that, which they've known what apps you use
28:37SPEAKERat different times of day for the recommendation engine for a long time. So it makes sense that
28:40SPEAKERthey would like cash up the whatever it takes to load those apps quickly. 'Cause people, it turns
28:44SPEAKERout are pretty predictable. This stuff is coming back all the way to old, to iPhone 11 in some
28:51SPEAKERcases. - Yeah, I was gonna say, like they managed to bring all the scheduler improvements all the
28:55SPEAKERway back, which is, what is that a seven, six, seven year old phone at this point?
28:59SPEAKER- Yeah. It's something like that. It's been a while. It's supported on,
29:07SPEAKERlike basically they're looking at performance and they didn't talk about RAM usage, but it seems
29:14SPEAKERlike RAM usage is part of this as well. - Yeah. I mean, this is another area where
29:17SPEAKERI'm sure this is kind of 50/50 driven by both the supply crisis in computing hardware and also,
29:22SPEAKERagain, social media grumbling, because there sure is a lot of social media grumbling about
29:26SPEAKERperformance these days. But it's interesting because Apple and Microsoft are both tackling
29:32SPEAKERthis at the same time because the Windows 11 low latency profile shipped this week. I don't know
29:38SPEAKERhow much you're probably- - Oh, really?
29:39SPEAKER- I don't know if you're spending much time in Windows these days. Probably not.
29:41SPEAKER- I pay attention though. - It's their monthly update.
29:44SPEAKERThey do the kind of cumulative update is what they call it in Windows Update. The May cumulative
29:49SPEAKERupdate for Windows 11 has got that low latency profile in it, which is just, for now, it's just
29:53SPEAKERthe thing that kind of like gooses your CPU usage a little bit when you launch apps to make things
29:58SPEAKERmore responsive. But I can tell a different, like File Explorer is the one I've noticed and granted,
30:03SPEAKERit's also one of the ones they have promoted the most, but File Explorer definitely launches
30:08SPEAKERmuch faster after this update. It's nice to see both companies kind of taking the performance of,
30:17SPEAKERI don't know if I fully subscribed to this idea that everybody got lazy. I mean,
30:21SPEAKERI would never use the word lazy, but there's this prevailing idea out there that computers got so
30:26SPEAKERfast that developers just started getting sloppy with worrying about maximizing performance,
30:32SPEAKERwhich I don't fully subscribe to, but it's still nice to see both companies taking
30:36SPEAKERresponsiveness and just basic operation more seriously.
30:39SPEAKERYeah. Agreed. I don't know how, like for whatever reason, Microsoft juicing the,
30:46SPEAKERit's funny, the way you described that feels bad to me, Microsoft juicing the CPU clock to
30:50SPEAKERmake the apps that they made slow launch faster. So, I mean, that has been the response from a
30:53SPEAKERlot of people is to basically act like they're cheating it, but you know, like I also see
30:57SPEAKERdevelopers going like, Hey, like Mac OS and Linux do the same thing. Like this is kind of how
31:01SPEAKERcomputers work now when we're CPU is like idle to save power until they're needed. Yeah. When
31:07SPEAKERyour CPU idols at like eight Watts or something like that, what do you expect? I guess it's going
31:13SPEAKERto have to boost to a higher speed to do things like every, everything takes, like if you sit
31:18SPEAKERthere, I mean, I get everybody's not me. Everybody's not going to sit there and watch CPU
31:22SPEAKERactivity out of just base curiosity, but like everything takes more compute than you think,
31:29SPEAKERyou know, it's even, even like text rendering in your terminal window or something like that is
31:33SPEAKERmore compute intensive than you think these days. Cause there's so much going on. Look,
31:36SPEAKERmy terminal is 3d rendered. So it takes a, yeah, it takes a little bit of juice now. Now should the
31:42SPEAKERstart menu be JavaScript or no JS or whatever it is, react, react, react X, whatever. Yeah,
31:49SPEAKERprobably no, but no. Yeah. Anyway. So, okay. They talked about search a little bit. They are
31:57SPEAKERcreating a full system index for spotlight. Now when you upgrade to the new version of the iOS
32:02SPEAKERand it's updated live every time file changes happen. I was going to say, does that include
32:06SPEAKERfiles? Cause I feel like macro S file search has historically been about as bad as windows
32:11SPEAKERfile search. So that the demo that they showed during the keynote implied strongly that it's
32:15SPEAKERgoing to be search inside files, inside files. That's what I, that's what I got. That's intense,
32:21SPEAKERbut maybe I misunderstood. I didn't, I didn't actually dig further into this cause I was like,
32:24SPEAKERI'm kind of surprised they don't have this already. To be honest, like frankly,
32:27SPEAKERI would settle for just file name and like metadata and like creation and modified time
32:31SPEAKERand stuff like that. Like if I could just even search instantly for those things, I would be
32:35SPEAKERhappy let alone like what's in the files. I is everything on Mac. I don't think so. I highly
32:43SPEAKERdoubt that's a windows software. I think right. There's, there's at least one Linux equivalent
32:47SPEAKERthat I've seen that sites, everything by name. I feel like every time we talk about everything,
32:50SPEAKERwe need to emphasize, we're talking about capital E everything. Yeah. The windows, the hard drive
32:56SPEAKERsearch for windows, basically the excellent kind of file system indexer for windows that lets you
33:00SPEAKERsearch all your files instantly. So there's at least one or two Linux apps I've seen that cite
33:05SPEAKEReverything as the inspiration for them. I don't know if there's anything like that on Mac OS
33:09SPEAKERthough. Anyway, if they're building it in, if they're building that into the OS, that's even
33:15SPEAKERbetter. Yeah. And, and the point there, the point was the index is updated on changes, not on a
33:22SPEAKERcycle. So your update, your, your stuff will be live the moment it changes. Basically. I wonder
33:26SPEAKERif there are new file system helps. I mean, it's not, it doesn't really matter here, but they,
33:30SPEAKERthey rolled out APFS, the new, their new file system a few years ago. Yeah. I don't know. I
33:34SPEAKERwould assume that that has something to do with it, but I don't know for sure they plan for things
33:38SPEAKERlike that, or maybe that is enabling some of the stuff anyway. Yeah. Let's see. They talked about
33:44SPEAKERadding Android and window user support for shared photo albums in the photos app, which is thrilling
33:50SPEAKERas somebody who uses windows and Linux a lot. I don't know if that means that Android users
33:55SPEAKERare going to get an app or if it's a web-based thing or, and same, same applies for windows
34:00SPEAKERusers, I guess. But yeah, I mean, there's the iCloud app for windows. I don't know if it's
34:04SPEAKERbuilt into that or that might be out of scope for that. I think that iCloud last time I installed
34:08SPEAKERthat iCloud app for windows, it did horrible things to my photo library. Cause it just copied
34:13SPEAKERterabytes of photos down to my heart or gigabytes of photos down to my hard drive. Cool. Yeah. I was
34:18SPEAKERnot thrilled. They talked a lot about child safety features. So parental controls, all of that stuff
34:27SPEAKERhas been an enormous boondoggle on pretty much every platform ever since the dawn of time.
34:33SPEAKERSome are better than others, but like none of them are actually particularly good and they all have
34:37SPEAKERweird gaps. Like, you know, the, the web browsing stuff only applied if you're using Safari on the
34:44SPEAKERdevices and stuff like that. They basically have created category-based time allowances
34:55SPEAKERfor things like games and entertainment, social media, education, whatever that are,
34:59SPEAKERand they set what looked like reasonable, what they described, I think as reasonable defaults
35:05SPEAKERbased on the American pediatric association recommendations for screen time usage.
35:09SPEAKERThe feature is called screen time just for what it's worth. It's because of course it is.
35:15SPEAKERI'm having gone through the, like I'm on the far side of this now, and this is the, the,
35:21SPEAKERthe screen time stuff is the perfect example of, Hey, we set this up, we wrote it down on paper.
35:27SPEAKERAnd then the people who are making the decisions and deciding where to invest didn't have kids
35:30SPEAKERthat they're the appropriate age. So they never engaged with it in a, in an actual way, just in
35:35SPEAKERa theoretical way. To the point like, cause that was always the joke about Steve jobs is that
35:42SPEAKERgarage band was good because, and iTunes were good because Steve jobs used both of those. And, and a
35:49SPEAKERphoto aperture was bad because he didn't ever touch that. Right. So anyway, we'll, we'll see,
35:57SPEAKERI'm going to install the beta once it stabilizes a little bit and I'll report back on how that,
36:01SPEAKERall that looks when we get there. I wonder how they're drawing the lines around the category
36:06SPEAKERspecific time allowances like games, entertainment, social media, like, are those just app categories
36:10SPEAKERthat descend from the app store classification? That's typically how that has worked. Yes. What
36:15SPEAKERabout on macOS though, where a lot of that stuff is in a web browser or is like software you might
36:20SPEAKERhave installed from wherever that isn't their app store? I don't know. I don't think they worry as
36:25SPEAKERmuch about screen time on macOS. Although with the Neo, that doesn't make as much sense as it used to.
36:30SPEAKERRight. Cause I'm sure plenty of kids are using Neos at this point.
36:34SPEAKERYeah. Does your daughter have a phone now? My daughter has had a phone for three, two years.
36:39SPEAKEROkay. Cause you guys were doing the watch as mobile device thing for a while, right?
36:43SPEAKERYeah. So she did the, we got her a watch when she was in third grade and she was starting to like go
36:47SPEAKERoff places with just by herself with her friends. Like when we'd go camping or something and they'd
36:52SPEAKERwant her on the campsite or when we'd go to the beach, she'd be off by her friends. We gave her
36:56SPEAKERthe watch so she could ping us then. But we got her a phone. It became necessary when she was in
37:00SPEAKERfifth grade because like the teachers were posting QR codes on the friggin projector and stuff like
37:06SPEAKERthat. And so the kids without phones were really like, you know, had to remember to go look up the
37:12SPEAKERhomework site later and stuff like that. Wow. Yeah. Like social pressure, of course. I didn't
37:17SPEAKERrealize there was academic pressure around having a phone at this point, at least not that young.
37:21SPEAKERSo the funny thing is now the districts are starting to, you know, the, you know,
37:24SPEAKERwhen you go to a concert and you get one of those bags, you lock your phone into your present.
37:28SPEAKERThe districts are buying those and making the kids put their phones in those at the start of the day,
37:32SPEAKERwhich like is massively fraught. A, the teachers hate having phones in the classrooms,
37:40SPEAKERbut the parents are always upset because of the imminent risk of school shootings in the United
37:44SPEAKERStates about their kids being in a situation where there's a disaster and they don't have
37:48SPEAKERaccess to a phone to call for help. So anyway, it's bad. School's school's weird now. So yeah,
37:57SPEAKERthe huge focus of the child safety stuff, I'll dig into that at some point in a potpourri or
38:01SPEAKERsomething once it's, once it's, once I'm willing to put it on my devices and we'll report back.
38:06SPEAKERThey also spent an insane amount of time talking about Apple intelligence,
38:10SPEAKERtheir AI agenda, which so far has, I think the only thing I regularly get that uses
38:18SPEAKERApple intelligence on the current version of iOS is the summarization of lots of notifications from
38:24SPEAKERthe same application. It'll be like, Hey, you got an email from Brad and Gina and your bank. And,
38:31SPEAKERand that's the extent of Apple intelligence use on my device. Interesting. I just, I turned it off
38:37SPEAKERat device set up on my 17. Like they hit you with, I believe it, I believe there's a single
38:41SPEAKERtoggle at device set up if I'm not mistaken. And I just turned it off and never thought about it.
38:46SPEAKERSo the other thing that I do use is the dictation is quite good. The thing where you tap the little
38:51SPEAKERmicrophone below the keyboard and you just talk to the keyboard and it fills it in,
38:55SPEAKERbut you can still edit the text. It's distinct from saying, Hey, the voice assistant's name,
39:01SPEAKERsend a text to somebody. And then you say the text, if you do the dictation, then you get like,
39:05SPEAKERit like writes it out into the text field and go back and manually edit with the keyboard if you
39:09SPEAKERwant. But, but the dictation is quite good, but it's not like, I don't think they're bundling that
39:17SPEAKERtypically into the Apple intelligence kind of realm. Well, they're about to, but we'll get to
39:23SPEAKERthat in a minute. So they are what, two years late now on their original promised deadline for
39:29SPEAKERrolling this stuff out. Like you saw there's a, there's like a pretty major, I guess it's
39:33SPEAKERa class action suit. I didn't, I expect, well, I'll get a $5 app store credit at some point in
39:37SPEAKERthe future. I didn't look at who is the plaintiff exactly in this situation, but I think they're
39:41SPEAKERpaying like 250 million or something for being late on delivering these features as promised.
39:46SPEAKERWell, so we'll get to that in a minute. Yeah. Cause they sold hardware based on those features.
39:49SPEAKERLike I bought an iPhone with an NPU and was told that I'd be using AI like crazy by now.
39:54SPEAKERThat is the basis of the suit. Yeah. They're pairing their cloud stuff with Gemini this
39:59SPEAKERyear. Not with open AI, not with chat GPT. And the onboard device is newer. There's onboard models
40:09SPEAKERthat are newer and faster for machines with adequate NPU hardware and Ram. We'll get to
40:14SPEAKERthat in a minute. Yeah. I'm not quite clear what the Gemini, where the dividing line is. I think
40:20SPEAKERit was a, Oh God, what did Craig, what's his name? Federighi. I believe it was him that gave a quote
40:26SPEAKERabout, it was, it came off as a little bit defensive about their use of Gemini kind of
40:31SPEAKERsaying like, Hey, we're not using Google's models. We're not using this and that from Gemini. We're
40:35SPEAKERonly using this. And I wasn't quite clear what they are using. Like, does that mean they're just
40:41SPEAKERusing Gemini as like general framework, but training their own models with it? Or I don't know
40:46SPEAKERwhat that division is like. So he did a round table after the keynote with press where they
40:53SPEAKERhad on record questions and there was a lot of kind of conflicting information from different
40:58SPEAKERvenues out of that, that I don't have the full sense of what, what he actually said.
41:03SPEAKERThe, the way that their stuff is structured is that they have their own containers. They're
41:09SPEAKERrunning basically forked versions of the models. This is the way it worked in the past with chat
41:14SPEAKERGPT is they were running a forked version of the model that didn't feed back into the main
41:19SPEAKERmodel. So like stuff you send to like their contracts are such that stuff you send to them
41:25SPEAKERthrough Apple intelligence, didn't get rolled into the inputs that are used to train the next
41:29SPEAKERgeneration of models. And, and so their stuff is running on Nvidia hardware, running in Google's
41:36SPEAKERdata centers this go round. But the idea is your version of those models are distinct from my
41:43SPEAKERversions of those models. And they're effectively partitioned off virtual versions of the models
41:49SPEAKERfor everybody who's using the cloud stuff. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, I think it's interesting
41:52SPEAKERto keep up with the stuff, even if I'm not interested in using the features themselves,
41:55SPEAKERjust from the standpoint of Apple being, I haven't looked at the numbers, but surely the most cash
42:00SPEAKERflush tech company on the planet, but they like that, but that they have not, they've chosen not
42:05SPEAKERto do their own build out on the stuff. Like they have, despite their insane means, they have chosen
42:10SPEAKERnot to go down the road that these other companies are in doing it all themselves. Yeah. Their data
42:15SPEAKERcenters are still for data, not for compute. The okay. So they're taking another stab at
42:22SPEAKERon-screen awareness. This is the, Hey, Siri can look at what's on your screen and tell you stuff
42:27SPEAKERabout it or do things. Oh, I just activated Siri. Well, two things here. First we back up is, is
42:34SPEAKERSiri AI new as brand new? Siri AI is new. Yeah. Cause I got to stop saying Siri.
42:40SPEAKERThat's distinct from Apple intelligence or they both exist. Now those are both names that are
42:44SPEAKERworth knowing. If you engage with these features exists, both are part of the OS. Siri AI is the
42:49SPEAKERupgraded version of Siri. That's available on certain devices. I think, I think that's,
42:54SPEAKERI think that's an NPU feature. So 15 and newer and Apple intelligence is the kind of broader
42:59SPEAKEROS level AI features that are not activated. That includes things like Jen Moji and like the image
43:06SPEAKERgeneration stuff and all the things that you and I are never going to use. Probably the other thing
43:11SPEAKERI'll mention here, and this could be complete nonsense. I don't know, but I saw this going
43:14SPEAKERaround on Twitter that supposedly they were like cutting the frequency of the word Siri in their
43:19SPEAKERpresentation in interesting ways to prevent it from activating the Siri feature on people's
43:25SPEAKERdevices who are watching the presentation. That could be, that could be a bunch of nonsense, but
43:31SPEAKERthat wouldn't surprise me. The thing that's weird is I realized a few years ago, cause in like the
43:35SPEAKERearly, early Siri days, they had a voice recognition. So you could make the Siri only
43:41SPEAKERrespond to your voice. And then that all, they, they cut that feature like kind of quietly without
43:46SPEAKERsaying anything about it a few years ago. I guess I could have, frankly, I could have run the audio
43:51SPEAKERfrom that keynote through spectral analyzer and looked for this myself, but they were basically,
43:55SPEAKERthe idea was that they were cutting it at like three, five and six kilohertz or something like
43:59SPEAKERthat. Like somehow they were, again, that could be nonsense, but it does seem like an Apple like
44:04SPEAKERsolution to think of something like that. It's nice. I mean, I, I listened to my headphones,
44:08SPEAKERso I wouldn't know. Yeah. So, okay. General they're saying Siri now has general knowledge.
44:15SPEAKERSo things that you would get from an LLM, you can ask it about, you can ask it how to put glue in
44:20SPEAKERyour, in your, in your food. You can ask it how to, you know, all the things that you want from
44:26SPEAKERyour LLMs. It has the ability to pull stuff from the web. These are all promises. I think that
44:31SPEAKERthey've made before just to be clear. And the one thing that is new is that there's a Siri app now
44:38SPEAKERthat has history. So like if you ask, so in the same way that if you use chat GPT,
44:43SPEAKERyou can go back to past chats. This is going to give you the ability to see things that you've
44:47SPEAKERasked Siri about before. And the answer is it's given, which actually is desirable. I've had,
44:51SPEAKERI've asked it for things before and then couldn't tell if it actually, I asked it to set a reminder
44:56SPEAKERand couldn't tell if it actually set the reminder or not because the prompt went away too fast.
45:00SPEAKERAnd now you'll have something you can refer back to. It's going to live in the dynamic island area
45:05SPEAKERof the, of the device when you're talking to Siri. That makes sense. Siri's home is the
45:10SPEAKERdynamic island now. It seems like Siri comes down out of the dynamic island. It's probably a nice
45:15SPEAKERplace to be. I mean, I, you know, who doesn't want to live on their own island? A lot of this stuff
45:22SPEAKERis for 12 gigabyte devices only. Yeah. There's, there's two major features there, which I've
45:27SPEAKERprobably pounced on this headline because I am a relatively new iPhone 17 owner owner and that
45:32SPEAKERdevice is getting shut out of these features because it only has eight gigabytes of Ram.
45:38SPEAKERThis is, this is, it's interesting because this is one of those moves that they usually do
45:42SPEAKERwith just the new hardware that comes out that year. So like they'll say, Oh, this Siri AI
45:49SPEAKERvoice customization stuff is only for the 20, 26 model of iPhone. Right. But yeah,
45:56SPEAKERso it's 12 gigabyte models, which is basically the 17 pros and the air,
46:00SPEAKERwhich were both released last year. Yeah. And then iPads with M4 or newer,
46:05SPEAKERI'm looking at three or newer. I'm looking at this macro story. So it's, it's iPads in four or newer
46:10SPEAKERmax M3 or newer. And, and are there multiple vision pro models? There are right. There are,
46:17SPEAKERbut I think they all had appropriate Rams. Well, this is vision pro with M5. So I don't know if
46:21SPEAKERthat, Oh, no, that's only the new one. Yeah. I guess that excludes the launch vision pro. So yeah,
46:26SPEAKERlike pretty recent devices, but it's not the end of the world. It's two features. It is
46:32SPEAKERSiri voice customizations, which like looking at this tiny screenshot that I can barely read,
46:38SPEAKERthere are, there are multiple voices and then there are sliders for pace and expressivity.
46:43SPEAKERSo there's always been multiple voices. Like you can get British Siri. Yeah, you're right. Guy,
46:47SPEAKERSiri or lady Siri. Yes. I've used Australian Siri for a very long time. Oh, I use, I use
46:53SPEAKEREnglish male Siri. So it sounds like I have a digital Butler. You're asking chiefs. Yeah,
46:58SPEAKERexactly. Yeah. But pace pretty self-explanatory, I guess just how fast Siri talks expressivity
47:03SPEAKERthough. I don't know if that just means more flowery language. Oh, I, I expect that means
47:07SPEAKERyou turn that all the way up. It's gonna be like, wow, well, that was the best question I've ever
47:10SPEAKERheard. Sure. You're such a smart guy. What a genius. It should be obsequiousness. Yeah. I want
47:17SPEAKERsarcasm. I want it to be really mean. I just need a little bit of abuse early in the morning. Yes,
47:21SPEAKERI sure would be into that, but I guess I won't find out anytime soon. Cause my iPhone 17 cannot
47:28SPEAKERaccess these features. Does it, does it feel weird to you to tie like a signature feature
47:33SPEAKERfor the thing that they've they're now three years late delivering to two phone skews essentially in
47:40SPEAKER2026 when Ram is the most expensive thing in the world? Well, I mean, they're just practical
47:44SPEAKERtechnical limitations that, you know, I don't, I don't think they did this to drive sales of the
47:49SPEAKERmore expensive models necessarily. Dude. I don't think they needed to do the voice customizations
47:54SPEAKERon Siri. Yeah. They could have just left this out. The other, the other one is better dictation.
48:00SPEAKERJust quoting the Mac rumors story here. Yeah. It's it's dictation with punctuation and like,
48:06SPEAKERlike it can add your M dashes and stuff for you. Apparently said to be able to turn speech into
48:10SPEAKERpolished text on the fly, handling, capitalization, punctuation, and formatting automatically,
48:15SPEAKERet cetera, et cetera. So, but I mean, you're still going to have basic dictation on the older
48:19SPEAKERor the lesser models, just not this fancy one. And on the older models, you can do things like,
48:25SPEAKERlike, like I do the, Hey, you know, send a text and then you put the periods in yourself. It
48:30SPEAKERactually does the periods and stuff. It's the more advanced punctuation and it won't do.
48:35SPEAKERI, I just say the punctuation. Yeah. You say the punctuation. The only, the only place I ever use
48:40SPEAKERApple dictation is when I'm texting from my Apple watch because typing on an Apple watch is an
48:44SPEAKERexercise. And wait, you don't do this. The swizzle keyboard is still too small. I just can't stand
48:49SPEAKERit. Okay. But you can absolutely just say a sentence and then question mark at the end,
48:53SPEAKERthen it will put a question mark. So I saw a handful of reports from people who'd installed
48:58SPEAKERthe beta on 17 pros or errors. And I saw some reports from people who tested on the, at the
49:04SPEAKERdemos and the result, the people were generally pretty impressed with the dictation. I believe it.
49:09SPEAKERI believe it. Anyway, whatever. It's just, I had about a five second moment of like, Oh,
49:16SPEAKERI just bought this phone and seeing, I couldn't use the stuff, but like whatever. So they,
49:20SPEAKERthey had they, they, after that, they had a carousel of like actual Apple intelligence
49:26SPEAKERfeatures people might actually want to use. Yeah. There were, there were two that leapt out to me
49:30SPEAKERhere as like, if I trusted the output, which I don't, cause it's not ever going to be the same
49:35SPEAKERevery time, but like, theoretically, these could be kind of useful in a, in a, in a perfect world.
49:41SPEAKERSafari organizing tabs by content seems pretty good. That sounds fantastic.
49:45SPEAKERLike for, for people who like a lot of tabs, like having those organized into like, here's all the
49:50SPEAKERtroubleshooting you were doing and here's the, whatever, you know, like blanket research,
49:56SPEAKERyou want to buy a new Afghan or new rug, here's all these rug tabs. Here's my Linux tabs. Right.
50:02SPEAKERHere's my tech pod tabs. Here's my games tabs. Perfect. Done. Yep. That's neat. I thought the
50:10SPEAKERpassword thing looked cool. It, again, this is one of those cases where like, if, if this worked
50:15SPEAKERcorrectly a hundred percent of the time, like it sounds kind of awesome, but I don't know that I
50:18SPEAKERwould ever actually trust it. You can basically have passwords, check all of your, all, all of
50:23SPEAKERyour stored passwords for integrity, basically see if they've been compromised or not, and then go and
50:28SPEAKERupdate them on the relevant websites. If they have, and then put the new passwords in your
50:32SPEAKERpassword manager, look all at one tap. So one password does half of that. It gives you a,
50:38SPEAKERhere's your list of compromised passwords from the, by cross-referencing your logins with the,
50:45SPEAKERhave I been pwned website. And then you have to go manually change them. Right. So the,
50:52SPEAKERit turns out the easy part is the, have I been pwned part. The hard part is updating it all
50:57SPEAKERautomatically. It's the reaching into, and I wonder if this is Siri being, I can't believe
51:04SPEAKERI'm using this word, agentic and able to parse like these websites, kind of login flows and
51:09SPEAKERpassword update interfaces itself, or is there some like API, some standardized interface that
51:15SPEAKERApple is having developed, like website developers use to enable this? No, I bet that this is it.
51:22SPEAKERParsing the websites and knowing what's the login field. It would have to be because they would
51:26SPEAKERnever get full buy-in from every web developer to support this manually. I mean, just to be clear,
51:31SPEAKERthis is the kind of stuff like the classic example of, Hey, why doesn't AI do this for me?
51:36SPEAKERLike why doesn't AI submit my expense reports? Right? Why is there no, I can just take a picture
51:40SPEAKERof all these receipts and have it generate the expense report. And we never have to think about
51:44SPEAKERthat again. That sounds fabulous. Yeah. This is another great example. Here's some computer busy
51:49SPEAKERwork that didn't exist 20 years ago. I would love for the machine to do this for me. Yeah.
51:53SPEAKERMy favorite example of this is take a photo of a calendar, like a physical calendar that somebody
51:57SPEAKERhas annotated events on and have it turn into like a, what is a .cal or whatever the iCal standard
52:04SPEAKERcalendar format is that you can import into your software calendar, like stuff like that,
52:08SPEAKERlike just kind of making the glue that holds your daily life together a little more pleasant is
52:13SPEAKERcool. But again, you still have to trust the output, which is kind of a leap. I use that
52:23SPEAKERfor our, we have a dry erase board on them, on the refrigerator where we put like a grocery list.
52:28SPEAKERIt's like when you empty out something, you write it down on the list so that we know to buy more of
52:32SPEAKERit. Right. And it's pretty good now at taking a picture of that and turning it into like pasting
52:39SPEAKERinto a notes list or whatever, which like, but you still have to take the picture, manually select
52:44SPEAKERthe text, copy and paste it into notes and then clean it up a little bit. If it could just take
52:49SPEAKERthe picture and be like, Hey, do you want to make a notes app of this? Yeah, that would be dope. I
52:52SPEAKERwould love that. So yeah, that's, that's, that was kind of, and then the last one is the Siri view,
52:57SPEAKERwhich is opening up the camera and having Siri describe in like your AirPods, what you're seeing,
53:03SPEAKERwhich is for people with vision impairment, primarily it that's, that's the thing that
53:09SPEAKERdisability access advocates. I know have been like, Hey, we know that the meta glasses suck
53:16SPEAKERfor everyone in the world, but if you're, if you're vision impaired, these things are magical
53:21SPEAKERbecause like they can describe things that are outside of your ability to see in a way that's
53:25SPEAKERthat like is fantastic. So a stroke that that's coming to the phone, it's also coming to the
53:31SPEAKERheadset. Not that I think anybody who's vision impaired is going to walk around with that
53:35SPEAKERbig, stupid headset on all the time. Probably not. I think it's September ish. It sounds
53:41SPEAKERlike they're not quite sure when the stuff is actually going to be shipping out of beta.
53:44SPEAKERWell, so the OS is going to come out when the phones launch as always. Right. But I think
53:48SPEAKERthese features are lagging that if I'm not, Oh, the phones launch in September. So maybe
53:52SPEAKERthey are trying to, I think I saw like they are targeting September for these things to come out.
53:58SPEAKERMy assumption is that these software features will launch sometime between September and 2030.
54:03SPEAKERSure. Based on their past performance with AI related features for what it's worth.
54:09SPEAKERThis stuff looks better than any of the ones that they've done before, whether they actually
54:12SPEAKERship anything, I guess remains to be seen. The stuff is at least more practical than
54:17SPEAKERGenmoji or whatever. Yeah. I only ever used Genmoji as a punctuation on a bad joke.
54:24SPEAKERSure. There was, there was, we have a section at the bottom labeled miscellaneous. You want
54:29SPEAKERto power through these few things that were interesting of notes that didn't fit into
54:33SPEAKERanother bucket. AirPods, AirPods are finally getting custom equalizer. That's which I like,
54:40SPEAKERI continue to be amazed. This didn't exist already. Well, it's very Apple, right? It's,
54:44SPEAKERit's extremely Apple to just decide what you want rather than let you decide what you want.
54:48SPEAKERWell, that's true. I I'm new to AirPods. The AirPods Pro 3 is my first set of AirPods. I
54:54SPEAKERguess I'm not an audio file because I have zero complaints about the stage, the sound stage,
55:02SPEAKERthe presence, whatever you want to call it of those things. Like they sound fine to me.
55:06SPEAKERDo you listen to music or podcasts? That's the thing. Podcasts are 99.5% of my use of
55:11SPEAKERthese things. So that's probably contributing to that. But I know when the threes came out,
55:16SPEAKERthere were some people that were not super happy with, I don't know, the frequency response or how
55:21SPEAKERthey were tuned or whatever. So they were finally, and I think this is for all AirPods, not just new
55:26SPEAKERmodels. As far as I can tell, the language is all super generic. Like this, the Mac rumor story just
55:32SPEAKERsays AirPods will gain a custom EQ. So I assume it's every model. My assumption is that if it's,
55:39SPEAKERif it's for anything, it'll be like the first gen, first gen AirPods and AirPods Pro would
55:45SPEAKERbe cut off. But since the AirPods Macs are still one of the old platforms, I would assume it comes
55:52SPEAKERto pretty much everything. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen what the feature actually looks like though.
55:55SPEAKERThe screenshot they shipped with this thing just has an equalizer page that just says recommended
56:01SPEAKERor custom and under custom there, there's just a wave form with low, mid and high on it. So
56:06SPEAKERI don't know how fine grained your control is going to be here, but anything is better than
56:09SPEAKERnothing. To me, this is, this is the counter for the old, Hey, if you want a lot of bass in your
56:16SPEAKERmusic, buy a pair of beats instead of AirPods or buy a real headphones instead of either of those.
56:23SPEAKERThat that's, that's my, my assumption is this is going to let you crank up certain levels. So
56:28SPEAKERthat's pretty much it. It'll probably be pretty basic. I doubt that I will touch this, but it's
56:32SPEAKERnice that they're putting it in. Yeah. Bad news for people like you and me is that it seems like
56:39SPEAKERtwo or three generations of Apple watch are losing support. There was some ambiguity here.
56:43SPEAKERI was really shocked by this. The, the let's see, I want to say one, one during the keynote,
56:51SPEAKERthey said this was Apple watch 10 and newer gets the latest version of the OS on the post chat.
56:58SPEAKERThey said Apple watch nine and newer, which is ultra two, I think is the pairing. Okay. I thought,
57:04SPEAKERI thought they were end of lifing the nine. So that's it's unclear. Yeah. The website doesn't say
57:09SPEAKERright now. So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is here, but at least everything before the
57:14SPEAKERnine is losing support, but maybe everything before the 10 as well. Yeah. I was, I mean,
57:20SPEAKERI'm relatively new to Apple watches. Maybe this is just standard practice for them,
57:24SPEAKERbut I replaced my eight with an 11 last fall, which already felt 11 is my second one. And I
57:30SPEAKERalready felt like I'm doing this too soon. Like I got the 11 because they made a lot of improvements
57:34SPEAKERthis year. It just felt like a good time to get in, but I use the watch constantly, but I already
57:39SPEAKERfelt like three years feels like kind of short to be buying a new, but I traded in my old one
57:43SPEAKERand they, and they had a black Friday sale. So it was just a good time. So, but then seeing this,
57:47SPEAKERI was like, well, if I still had that eight, it would no longer be supported now. So
57:51SPEAKERwell, they continue to support. You just don't get the new OS. Sure. And also, I guess I should say
57:56SPEAKERlike a watch is not a phone like there, I would say the security concerns on a watch are probably
58:02SPEAKERquite a bit less significant than on the phone or a laptop or whatever.
58:05SPEAKERWell, and I think, I believe that the seven, eight, nine will be in the, Hey,
58:10SPEAKERwe're going to keep doing security updates for a while. Yeah. The, the, the thing about this is
58:17SPEAKERthey're adding new AI features is my understanding to the whole thing. They're redoing the way the
58:21SPEAKERgrid works. There's a bunch of UI changes. It seems like a fairly significant watch OS
58:27SPEAKERupdate. And, and having been in this path before they have done in the past watch OS updates that
58:34SPEAKERmade your old watch so slow, it was unusable. So I would rather them cut off the, it makes sense
58:39SPEAKERbecause like the seven and eight, I think were the exact same hardware inside, basically.
58:44SPEAKERYes, that's right. So it makes sense if that's, if that's the cutoff like that, that reads to me,
58:51SPEAKERI'm on a seven still, I'm going to decide whether like I bought my seven in 2022.
58:56SPEAKERSo that means when this gets EOL, it'll be six, five years old, six or four years old,
59:00SPEAKERwhich feels like not enough time to get out of a watch to me. Sure. So I'm going to decide what I,
59:06SPEAKERwhat happens when Paul comes around, I guess, I would say watch for their sales that I think I
59:11SPEAKERended up getting like 150 bucks off this new one between between the trade in and the black Friday
59:16SPEAKERsale. So I think good. Yeah. I think my next one's going to be one of the big boys, but if they,
59:22SPEAKERif they retire the ultra after three years after five years, I'm maybe I'm less enthusiastic.
59:27SPEAKERYeah. That thing is just so big and so expensive on it. It's just, I think it's huge. I like the
59:32SPEAKERflat bezel. Yeah, I do too. I wish I could get a flat one, but it is what it is. Yeah.
59:38SPEAKERYou put something down here that I had completely missed. That sounds dope. It is definitely the
59:42SPEAKERmost developer thing at this thing. And they didn't call a lot of attention to it. I saw
59:47SPEAKERone of the developers of it tweeting about it. It came out last year, but they have improved
59:53SPEAKERit significantly. It's just called container, which is like, you can tell it's for developers
59:58SPEAKERor for people who are doing low level on a Mac because it's just called a container.
1:00:03SPEAKERIs it basically like Docker style containers? It is literally, it is basically that it is basically
1:00:09SPEAKERa different container backend. It is an in-house container backend for macOS developed by Apple.
1:00:16SPEAKERDoes it work on the graphical level or is it only on like command line and shell stuff?
1:00:21SPEAKERI believe it is a command line only tool. Okay. Like you have to, to, to get it,
1:00:25SPEAKERyou have to go to their GitHub page and just get the, run the installer that is there.
1:00:28SPEAKEROh yeah. And in fact, I watched the I watched the little command line demo video they have
1:00:33SPEAKERup here. I believe it is purely a command line tool, but like I know, I know Docker desktop
1:00:37SPEAKERexists for macOS, but this is, this is basically an Apple developed container backend, just like on,
1:00:45SPEAKERjust like on a Linux, like Docker, I guess, was the first of this style of container backend,
1:00:50SPEAKERbut there's also pod man, like system D can run containers as well. OCI is the thing that we're
1:00:56SPEAKERdealing with here, the open container initiative. So the images that you're running with Docker are
1:01:01SPEAKERactually OCI images. And that's, I believe that's, that standardization is the reason you can run the
1:01:07SPEAKERsame images with things other than Docker, like pod man. And right. So if you look at the container
1:01:12SPEAKERpage here, this tool consumes and produces OCI compatible container images. So you can basically
1:01:17SPEAKERpull like the same images you would be running with Docker with this tool instead. The reason
1:01:24SPEAKERthis is interesting to me is so that necessitates they are running a, what they describe as a
1:01:27SPEAKERlightweight Linux VM in the background on macOS to run these images with what they have added. Now,
1:01:34SPEAKERa, this thing shipped 1.0, I guess last year when it came out at WWDC, it was like pre beta or
1:01:39SPEAKERwhatever, beta or whatever. But so 1.0 came out this week and it now has a feature called container
1:01:45SPEAKERmachines, which is basically windows subsystem for macOS, or I'm sorry, macOS subsystem for Linux.
1:01:54SPEAKERIt is effectively what, like they are building out the container feature here to now let you
1:02:00SPEAKERjust run a full Linux environment in macOS that works basically like the one in windows with WSL2
1:02:06SPEAKERwhere it automatically mounts your macOS home directory into the Linux environment.
1:02:10SPEAKERKind of makes it easy to share things back and forth between the two.
1:02:14SPEAKERThat's interesting. That makes sense. That makes sense. Cause like the current version,
1:02:17SPEAKERthe current hardware, you can't really run Linux on anymore. So if you're doing development work
1:02:22SPEAKERand you want to be able to use Linux stuff, I guess the solution previously has been to run a
1:02:25SPEAKERVM with Linux in it, then switch back and forth. You definitely could have found other ways to do
1:02:29SPEAKERthis virtual box or there, there are other ways to run VMs on macOS, but this is a, you know,
1:02:34SPEAKERthis is an Apple developed low level tool that you can install and then just kind of run spin up,
1:02:39SPEAKERspin up Linux distro environments at will, just like, just like WSL2 does in windows.
1:02:45SPEAKERIt's cool. Like I don't see myself using it on a Mac as much because macOS being POSIX underneath,
1:02:51SPEAKERlike kind of most of the stuff I would want to run in Linux just has a macOS version. Anyway,
1:02:57SPEAKERlike most, most software, you know, macOS being a Unix, like most of,
1:03:00SPEAKERmost of that type of software is available for Mac natively already.
1:03:04SPEAKERBut this is still cool for people who need it.
1:03:07SPEAKERI wonder if I was looking to see, I wondered if I could use this to run multiple blue bubbles
1:03:12SPEAKERinstances on one computer, but it looks like the answer is no. Cause that is a gooey client
1:03:16SPEAKERprobably it seems like so is that, is that, oh, that is Linux software. You might be able to do
1:03:21SPEAKERthat. So blue bubbles is macOS software, but I wondered if I could do a virtualized
1:03:27SPEAKERcontainer that runs the Mac software, the server on, on like two different, but I don't,
1:03:32SPEAKERI don't think that'll work. No, I think this is just for, for Linux images. Yeah. It's still
1:03:37SPEAKERinteresting though. This is cool. Yeah. macOS is a good development platform. I mean, there's,
1:03:42SPEAKERyeah, I'm not telling most people listening to the podcast already know this, but like, you know,
1:03:47SPEAKERthere are a lot of developers out there developing software on macOS, not just for macOS.
1:03:51SPEAKERYeah, exactly. I mean, a lot of web developers, I mean, honestly, all the web developers I've
1:03:56SPEAKERknown for the last 20 years pretty much are either on Linux or macOS. So that's it. Then
1:04:00SPEAKERthe last thing is that they have new app store guidelines, the app store guidelines. Like this
1:04:05SPEAKERis a hard problem, right? Because they have an enormous installed base and thus an enormous
1:04:11SPEAKERdesire for people who have, I want to say scammy, but like borderline apps maybe is the way to put
1:04:19SPEAKERthem like the stuff that was funny and novel at the start of the iOS era, like the I am rich app
1:04:25SPEAKERthat the guy sold for a thousand dollars. It was just a picture of a gem that spun or, you know,
1:04:32SPEAKERa fart cat. Perfect example. I love fart cat. Big, I'm a big fan, but like the real game for cats,
1:04:39SPEAKERa real game for cats, a bad example. You're right. Sorry, rich. I apologize. It's my bad.
1:04:43SPEAKERBut like a fart app, there were, there were a bazillion fart apps that had varying levels
1:04:48SPEAKERof complexity and varying levels of kind of, I don't know, social and metaphysical value.
1:04:55SPEAKERI mean, I could just quote from the new guidelines here. Other kinds of apps such as drinking games,
1:05:00SPEAKERKama Sutra, fart and burp apps are mediocre and low quality or low effort and do not add
1:05:05SPEAKERvalue to the app store. Yeah. They're basically tightening the listing of apps, I guess is the way
1:05:12SPEAKERI would put it or more to the point they are broadening the number of reasons they have for
1:05:16SPEAKERdelisting your app. Yeah. So last year, the year before they added the, Hey, if you stop updating
1:05:21SPEAKERyour app, we might delist it if it stops getting engagement. Now they've added more kind of language
1:05:27SPEAKERto that around. If you, if it's not updated, it's not getting downloads. It might get delisted and
1:05:32SPEAKERstuff like that. It's the, it's the basically like, like the way tech crunch described it is
1:05:37SPEAKERif, if, if the app does not attract users, like if it doesn't get enough downloads,
1:05:41SPEAKERwhich like seems rough for kind of struggling app developers who are doing apps in good faith,
1:05:45SPEAKERyou know, like trying to run a business or whatever, like, like I get, I get delisting
1:05:51SPEAKERfart and burp apps, but maybe, maybe it'll be more case by case than that. Maybe it's not just going
1:05:56SPEAKERto be a blanket. Maybe it's not just going to be a blanket. Like you didn't get enough downloads
1:06:00SPEAKERto meet our threshold. So you're gone. I think. Well, so, okay. There's two things. One is if
1:06:06SPEAKERit's delisted, you'll still be able to download it if you had bought it in the past. I would hope so,
1:06:10SPEAKERbut, but that, but that kills dead. Any hope of, of building on any new audience on an ongoing
1:06:16SPEAKERbasis? Yeah. The feeling I get, so I went through and read the actual guidelines right before we
1:06:21SPEAKERstarted the podcast. To me, the reading was, Hey, we have, we've been doing this for almost 20 years
1:06:27SPEAKERnow. And there's a bazillion, just more abundant apps that are like, they, they remove, they delist
1:06:33SPEAKERthings that are no longer supported by current versions of the software of the OS. That makes
1:06:37SPEAKERsense. And this feels like, Hey, there's now, now we can get rid of things that like nobody's
1:06:43SPEAKERengaging with and also are ancient that are just wrapping up our search results. There's probably
1:06:48SPEAKERsome amount of stuff out there that doesn't get a lot of attention that is still useful though.
1:06:51SPEAKERLike occasionally I'll just go, I need to go on the app store and get like a wake on land client
1:06:55SPEAKERor something like that. Yeah. Those things are not getting downloaded all the time, but now they
1:06:59SPEAKERjust might get cold because there's like, there's a piece of software that I use for my mixer.
1:07:03SPEAKERThat's the example that I think of here. It's, it's just like the, the UI software UI for that
1:07:08SPEAKERthing. And it gets updated every three or four years. Right. So like, are they going to have
1:07:14SPEAKERproblems now? Cause it's a free app that like probably, you know, maybe a couple of hundred
1:07:18SPEAKERthousand people are downloading at most is, is my ability to drive my mixer going to go away if
1:07:23SPEAKERthey don't do twice monthly updates like everybody else. That seems bad. I don't know. I like, this
1:07:30SPEAKERis the walled garden. This is the wall. Steam has the same problem. Honestly, it's, it's like huge,
1:07:36SPEAKERhuge installed base and thus desire to make money off of those users combined with the other thing
1:07:43SPEAKERthat they did add that I liked was a, Hey, you can't do obvious knockoffs anymore. So you can't
1:07:49SPEAKERmake the, so me app, whatever, stuff like that. So anyway, it seems general. I don't know. I came out
1:07:56SPEAKERof this one. Like I'm still kind of meh on the AI stuff. Yeah. Like some of it is interesting
1:08:02SPEAKERin concept. Like I said, I don't see myself toggling that global toggle back on necessarily,
1:08:08SPEAKERbut I do use Siri a lot. I'm glad that there's a Siri app that I can see the things that it's,
1:08:11SPEAKERit's done. It's told me in the past or like often I'll be in the car and be like, Hey,
1:08:16SPEAKERremind me to do this. And then it doesn't get it right. And I can't decode what I actually said to
1:08:20SPEAKERit. Yeah. The child safety stuff, this is a place I think more people are going to, it's, it's
1:08:28SPEAKERinteresting to me that Apple is investing in that because the screen time stuff has been essentially
1:08:33SPEAKERunchanged since they rolled it out almost 10 years ago. Now the like, it's frustrating to use
1:08:42SPEAKERon a level that's difficult to explain because like getting an app on my kid's phone or iPad
1:08:48SPEAKERis challenging. Cause like sometimes you'll type, you'll, you'll hit the button and say, Hey,
1:08:52SPEAKERask your parent for this. And then no, no, no, no notification pops on either of the parent phones.
1:08:58SPEAKERRight. Sometimes you'll hit the same button. It'll be like, Hey, put your parent's password in. And
1:09:02SPEAKERmy, my, my iOS password is like 45 characters. I should never have to put that in my daughter's
1:09:08SPEAKERphone. Right. It's like, it's a, it's a pretty bad experience across the board right now.
1:09:14SPEAKERThe only positive is that it does a nice report of how your child spent their time and it does
1:09:20SPEAKERunlike every other. Okay. So Nintendo does this and they do an actual good job of saying, Hey,
1:09:25SPEAKERyour kid played four hours of Tomodachi life and three hours of animal crossing and two hours of
1:09:29SPEAKERamong us. Right. And they give the times and all that. So you see if they're like up at three
1:09:34SPEAKERo'clock in the morning playing video games, the, the Microsoft equivalent of this only tracks
1:09:40SPEAKERwindows store apps and then puts everything else into a bucket. That's like other software.
1:09:44SPEAKERSo it's completely useless because that means it doesn't differentiate steam from like
1:09:50SPEAKERI don't know, using Google docs in your web browser. Right. For school. This,
1:09:57SPEAKERthis does do a good breakdown per app and per website of things that your kids doing on their
1:10:03SPEAKERdevice and how much time they're spending and where they're spending that time and when they're
1:10:06SPEAKERspending the time and all that. So that, that, that part's actually good. I'm, I'm excited to
1:10:09SPEAKERsee what else comes next, but yeah, that's cool. But honestly, like I, like I said at the top,
1:10:13SPEAKERit's the fixing liquid glass and just making a bunch of stuff faster and more efficient is what
1:10:17SPEAKERI'm excited about here. That's actually way better than any new features they could have rolled out
1:10:21SPEAKERfor me. I, yeah, I agree. Like, Hey, making our OSS feel good is a good thing. I think so.
1:10:28SPEAKERThat'll do it for us this week, I guess. Yeah. Anything else? You got anything else?
1:10:32SPEAKERI think that's it. Okay. I will say I still have yet to update to Tahoe on my Mac book.
1:10:38SPEAKERI'm still on, is it Sequoia was the one I'm still on the last pre like the last flat design
1:10:44SPEAKERone last pre pre liquid glass. I have not updated macOS in a year. I mean, I'm still installing the
1:10:50SPEAKERsecurity updates of course, but yeah, I point being, I have not even seen liquid glass on my
1:10:54SPEAKERlaptop yet. So you got to install it so you can see what everybody's angry about for like a week
1:10:59SPEAKERbefore you switch to the next thing. I guess I should. They do roll those out pretty quick
1:11:03SPEAKERafter this, right? So the betas are out now. Yeah. I, I think for everything made it an
1:11:08SPEAKERit may not be for TV and watch yet. Yeah. Maybe I should subject myself to it before you should,
1:11:13SPEAKERyou should cook in it a little bit for a couple of weeks there. And then, you know,
1:11:16SPEAKERthen you can get the good stuff in September. But it'll be, I would wait for anything that you use
1:11:21SPEAKERfor actual work. I would wait to run until like, I, my rule is like a month prior to the iPhone
1:11:29SPEAKERrelease or projected iPhone release. That's when I usually start digging in. I usually wait for the
1:11:33SPEAKER0.1. Yeah. Like the 27.1 is when I will upgrade that kind of thing. You live a little more
1:11:39SPEAKERconservatively than I do. I like to live on the edge. That'll do it for us this week. Thanks
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