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319: An Amuse-bouche for Your Device

2025-12-28 · 1:05:16

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, this is dangerously near a real topic.

00:03SPEAKER- Oh, we don't do that around here,

00:04SPEAKERbut I'll allow it for once.

00:06SPEAKER- My wife asked me, hey, there's a place for text

00:09SPEAKERon the back of our Christmas card.

00:11SPEAKERAnd we usually put something funny there,

00:14SPEAKERbut I'm not feeling particularly funny right now.

00:17SPEAKERAnd when I type it into Google,

00:18SPEAKERall the stuff that I get is bad.

00:21SPEAKERAnd I said, oh, it can't be that bad.

00:23SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, what are you typing into Google?

00:25SPEAKER- Like a funny thing to put in your Christmas card,

00:27SPEAKERlike a mirthful message, a little bit of whimsy,

00:31SPEAKERnot corniness, maybe a little corny, you know.

00:33SPEAKER- You're saying you're looking for ideas

00:35SPEAKERto put on the back of your Christmas card?

00:36SPEAKER- You're looking for a tone.

00:38SPEAKER- Would you say you're prompting a text field

00:40SPEAKERto give you some ideas?

00:42SPEAKER- Well, it's funny you say prompting

00:43SPEAKERbecause that is precisely where the problem starts.

00:46SPEAKER- Uh-oh.

00:47SPEAKER- When you type funny things

00:48SPEAKERto put onto your Christmas card,

00:51SPEAKERyou get things that are both not funny

00:55SPEAKERand also not things that I would put on the Christmas card.

00:58SPEAKERBut the weird thing, and that's nothing new,

01:00SPEAKERlike there's a bunch of hacks working on the internet

01:02SPEAKERand have been for many, many years.

01:04SPEAKER- And that hallmark before that?

01:06SPEAKER- Yeah, well, no, actually, I think a lot of the,

01:08SPEAKERlook, the hallmark people are directed

01:10SPEAKERand thoughtful at least.

01:11SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, fair, yes.

01:14SPEAKER- But the problem, it used to be

01:16SPEAKERthat you'd click on the first site

01:17SPEAKERand then you'd get one set of things

01:19SPEAKERand you'd be like, oh, this is bad,

01:20SPEAKERand you'd click on the second one

01:21SPEAKERand you'd be like, okay, I want a Christmas card message

01:24SPEAKER'cause it's not written by hacks and is actually funny,

01:27SPEAKERand then it would give you something

01:28SPEAKERthat is a little bit different.

01:30SPEAKERSo they were all the same.

01:34SPEAKERLike the top five results

01:35SPEAKERall had the exact same crap in them.

01:37SPEAKERAnd it was all like, hey, I hope your Christmas sleighs

01:40SPEAKERand S-L-E-I-G-H-S for some reason,

01:44SPEAKERor I hope you get as lit as your tree,

01:48SPEAKERor like, they're terrible, really, really bad, right?

01:52SPEAKERNot funny, not clever, just hacky and awful.

01:56SPEAKERSo then I was like, I think that all of these

01:57SPEAKERare written by AI, so I went to the AI,

02:00SPEAKERand it's like, look, this is a chicken or egg situation

02:04SPEAKER'cause it could have been that the AI

02:05SPEAKERjust looked at all of the things that were written by AI

02:08SPEAKERon the top Christmas card site pages

02:11SPEAKERand been like, oh, okay, here we go.

02:13SPEAKEROr it could have been that the person at Shutterfly

02:15SPEAKERthat was writing the, hey, you don't know

02:16SPEAKERwhat to put on your Christmas card,

02:17SPEAKERhere's some funny ideas, just typed into Google, Gemini,

02:21SPEAKERhey, I want some funny stuff to put on the Christmas card

02:23SPEAKERin article form that I can put on Shutterfly's website,

02:26SPEAKERand then it just spat that out

02:27SPEAKERbecause the lists were the same

02:29SPEAKERwhen I asked Gemini for the same thing.

02:31SPEAKERAnd I haven't engaged with this stuff in a little bit,

02:34SPEAKERthe AI stuff in a minute, I kind of spent most of 2025

02:38SPEAKERjust reinforcing my opinions that it's kind of shit

02:41SPEAKERand moving on, and Gina was like,

02:44SPEAKERthis is the type of thing most people just ask AI for.

02:45SPEAKERI was like, well, let's try it and let's see what happens.

02:48SPEAKER- Oh.

02:49SPEAKER- And so I put, I need something funny

02:51SPEAKERto put on my Christmas card into the Gemini prompt field.

02:55SPEAKERAnd it was like, it gave me the list

02:57SPEAKERof things from the internet, and I was like, no,

02:58SPEAKERthat's all hacky and terrible,

02:59SPEAKERgive me something that's actually funny.

03:01SPEAKERAnd it was like, oh, you want something edgy,

03:02SPEAKERand then it was like, hey, Christmas fucks.

03:04SPEAKERAnd I was like, nope, that's too much, too far.

03:07SPEAKER- I'm sorry, did I understand what you just said?

03:10SPEAKER- Yeah, it said, yo, I hope your Christmas fucks.

03:12SPEAKERYeah, that's what it said.

03:13SPEAKER- I think my brain tried to hear fox for a second

03:15SPEAKERbecause that sounded so vulgar for a Christmas card.

03:19SPEAKER- Yep, no, so, and then I was like, nope,

03:21SPEAKERthat's too far and also not funny.

03:22SPEAKER- No bad Gemini, that's not, no, no.

03:25SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

03:26SPEAKERSo then I went down a few other things

03:28SPEAKERand it was just all, eventually I got to the ones

03:32SPEAKERthat it was posting on the sites that were kind of funny

03:35SPEAKERand not just all sad.

03:36SPEAKERSo anyway, we just were like,

03:38SPEAKERI just did a naughty or nice bit.

03:40SPEAKERSo anyway, people who listen to this and get their Christmas

03:42SPEAKERcard, I guess here's a glimpse of your future.

03:46SPEAKERBut yeah, I think we've reached the point

03:49SPEAKERwhere the AI is crapping up the search results

03:52SPEAKERto the point that the search results are all the same

03:54SPEAKERand the AI results are all the same.

03:56SPEAKERAnd basically the ouroboros is eating itself.

03:59SPEAKER- We've begun the great process of internet auto cannibalism.

04:02SPEAKER- Wow, I guess you have to reset the clock now.

04:04SPEAKER- Let's say happy 2026.

04:06SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:16SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:34SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

04:37SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:37SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

04:38SPEAKER- Brad, it's the hap happiest time of the year.

04:41SPEAKER- Uh huh, that's right.

04:42SPEAKER- It's the tis the season.

04:44SPEAKER- Or?

04:45SPEAKER- Or marry and find love, be the joy in your heart.

04:50SPEAKER- And rank things.

04:51SPEAKER- And rank things, hell yeah.

04:54SPEAKER- Fine annual tech pod tradition.

04:57SPEAKER- Yeah, let's make people angry with a ranking list.

04:59SPEAKER- Oh, you look, I mean, we moved to tier lists.

05:01SPEAKERI think that that is okay.

05:03SPEAKERA couple of things, we moved to tier lists last year.

05:05SPEAKERThat seems more popular than the old standby top 10.

05:08SPEAKER- Kids love tier lists.

05:10SPEAKER- Here's the other thing.

05:11SPEAKERThis is going to be a two parter,

05:13SPEAKERbut we finally chose a topic

05:15SPEAKERthat is just constrained enough in scope

05:17SPEAKERthat we were able to knock the whole thing out

05:19SPEAKERin two episodes.

05:20SPEAKERSo it's already done.

05:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:22SPEAKER- There will be no open-ended,

05:24SPEAKERhey, when we get back to that tier list this time.

05:27SPEAKER- Unless we forgot stuff,

05:28SPEAKERin which case we'll revisit it at some point in the future.

05:31SPEAKER- Well, you know, there are probably

05:32SPEAKERsome other startup sounds out there we could find.

05:34SPEAKER- Wait, wait, you're going to give them,

05:35SPEAKERtell them what we're doing?

05:36SPEAKERI guess this is the intro.

05:36SPEAKERThis is where we tell them what we're doing.

05:37SPEAKER- This is the place to do that, I think.

05:39SPEAKERI think we were pretty comprehensive though.

05:41SPEAKERActually, can't think of too many things we might've missed.

05:43SPEAKER- I mean, there's some conversations

05:45SPEAKERabout what makes a tier a startup sound

05:47SPEAKERand what is not a startup sound

05:48SPEAKERthat I think are going to be controversial.

05:51SPEAKER- Sure, yes.

05:52SPEAKER- But other than that, yeah, pretty good.

05:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:54SPEAKERWell, hey, shall we roll the tape?

05:56SPEAKER- Let's go.

05:57SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:59SPEAKEROkay, so I'm going to suggest

06:01SPEAKERthat we start at the very beginning.

06:04SPEAKER- Okay.

06:05SPEAKERThe very first startup sound ever.

06:07SPEAKER- The first startup sound I remember hearing as a youth.

06:10SPEAKERI think I know where this is going.

06:11SPEAKERI'm getting excited already.

06:14SPEAKER- The Apple Macintosh.

06:16SPEAKER- Nevermind.

06:18SPEAKERI mean, this is a good one too.

06:18SPEAKER- What were you thinking?

06:20SPEAKER- I thought it was going to be the Windows 3.1, ta-da,

06:22SPEAKERbut of course, oh fuck, that Mac predates Mac OS.

06:25SPEAKERIt wasn't even Mac OS then, right?

06:27SPEAKERBut whatever they called it.

06:28SPEAKER- It's just the Mac, yeah, predated the Windows 3.1, ta-da.

06:31SPEAKER- That predates it by like a decade, right?

06:33SPEAKER- Probably close to that, yeah.

06:35SPEAKERAnd okay, well, okay, so here's the first one.

06:38SPEAKERThis was the thing that happened

06:40SPEAKERwhen you hit the power button on a,

06:42SPEAKERI think Mac, the original Mac.

06:44SPEAKERSo here we go.

06:45SPEAKER(dramatic music)

06:48SPEAKER- I know that sound very well.

06:50SPEAKERMy M1, my ARM-based M1 MacBook Pro

06:53SPEAKERmakes more or less that exact same sound.

06:55SPEAKER- So that one is listed on YouTube

06:58SPEAKERas the original Mac startup sound.

07:00SPEAKERNow, there's another YouTube video

07:03SPEAKERfrom a person who is a much deeper level of crazy

07:07SPEAKERwho actually posted every Macintosh startup sound

07:11SPEAKERfor every Macintosh that they could find.

07:13SPEAKER- Okay. - It's, yeah.

07:15SPEAKER- Are they all roughly that sound with minor variations?

07:18SPEAKER- Well, it's funny you ask that because.

07:21SPEAKER- What in the world is that?

07:23SPEAKER(dramatic music)

07:27SPEAKEROh, these are all sounds playing in succession.

07:29SPEAKER- These are all sounds playing in succession.

07:31SPEAKERWe're up to the Macintosh portable,

07:33SPEAKERwhich was their first luggable.

07:34SPEAKERBut that very first one is the Apple IIc.

07:38SPEAKERThe Apple II didn't have a startup sound

07:39SPEAKERas near as I can remember.

07:41SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know the Apple,

07:42SPEAKERI didn't know the pre-Mac,

07:44SPEAKERlike a straight up Apple computers, Apple II and stuff.

07:46SPEAKERI didn't know those had startup sounds at all

07:48SPEAKERother than beeps.

07:49SPEAKERI mean, I guess those were just beeps, right?

07:50SPEAKER- They're just beeps.

07:51SPEAKERSo this is the Macintosh 512.

07:52SPEAKERThese are all really insanely close together.

07:54SPEAKERIt's like 85 beeps or something

07:57SPEAKERin three minutes and 25 seconds.

08:00SPEAKERSo the Macintosh, early Macintoshes were just beeps.

08:03SPEAKERThat chime didn't come on until a lot later, actually.

08:07SPEAKER- You mean like some of the classic Mac chime?

08:09SPEAKER- Yeah, the thing that we heard of a second ago

08:11SPEAKERstarted with the LC, I think.

08:13SPEAKER- Okay.

08:14SPEAKER- Or power Mac, well, this is the power Macintosh G3.

08:16SPEAKER(dramatic music)

08:19SPEAKERAnd it bounced around based on which era

08:21SPEAKERof Mac you're talking about.

08:22SPEAKERSo I think we should start with that very first,

08:25SPEAKERwith the thing that you and I think of, the classic one.

08:29SPEAKER- Classic Mac.

08:30SPEAKER- Yeah, that one right there.

08:32SPEAKER- There are probably too many of these

08:33SPEAKERand they are too similar to rank all of these.

08:35SPEAKER- We're not ranking all of them, there's 100.

08:38SPEAKER- In fact, really it's the Macintosh sound, right, I think?

08:41SPEAKER- I think there's this Mac startup sound

08:44SPEAKERthat I just played, the one that everybody thinks of,

08:47SPEAKERthis one.

08:48SPEAKER(dramatic music)

08:49SPEAKERAnd then I think there's one other in here

08:51SPEAKERthat I wanna pull out and put on the ranking list for sure.

08:55SPEAKERBut I think this is clear S tier.

08:58SPEAKER- Man.

08:59SPEAKER- I'm just going straight out in there.

09:00SPEAKER- Right out of the gate.

09:01SPEAKER- Look.

09:02SPEAKER- Right out of the gates, I can be convinced.

09:05SPEAKER- I'm not, this is the one that started at all.

09:08SPEAKERWithout this one, arguably, we wouldn't have any other,

09:11SPEAKERlike maybe this would never become a thing, you know?

09:14SPEAKER- On the list here, we have M1 and future Macs.

09:17SPEAKERAre you able to play that one?

09:18SPEAKER- Yeah, you wanna hear that one?

09:19SPEAKER- Yes.

09:21SPEAKER- We can play that.

09:22SPEAKER(dramatic music)

09:23SPEAKER- Okay, great, okay.

09:24SPEAKER- It's the same basic idea, it's a little more reverb.

09:27SPEAKER- There's more bass, it's kinda a little more bassy.

09:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

09:31SPEAKERYeah, 'cause again, like I said, I've got an M1 MacBook Pro

09:33SPEAKERand I hear a version of that every time I open it.

09:35SPEAKER- And so the thing I'm gonna say is

09:38SPEAKERthe core element of that sound

09:41SPEAKERwas on some of the early Macs, like the Centris 660 AV,

09:44SPEAKERlike a mid '90s, early '90s Mac.

09:48SPEAKER- Okay.

09:49SPEAKER- And then Steve Jobs went away

09:51SPEAKERand they got wild for a while there.

09:54SPEAKERAnd then he came back in the iMac, the original iMac.

09:57SPEAKERI'm gonna play that one right now, I think.

10:02SPEAKERNope, I went, skip the time code.

10:05SPEAKERLet's try again.

10:06SPEAKERHere we go.

10:08SPEAKER(dramatic music)

10:10SPEAKERThere's the PowerBook G3.

10:11SPEAKER- Okay.

10:12SPEAKER- There's the PowerMacintosh G3, the candy color one.

10:15SPEAKER- Got it.

10:16SPEAKER- And there's the iMac.

10:16SPEAKERSo from this point on until 2020, they were all the same.

10:19SPEAKER- Okay, and even in 2020,

10:20SPEAKERit only just kind of evolved slightly.

10:22SPEAKER- It's like a little more reverb in the--

10:24SPEAKER- Still basically the same sound.

10:25SPEAKER- The M processor Macs, they changed it,

10:27SPEAKERwhich is the first time they've done it in a long, long time.

10:29SPEAKER- If I might argue for the purposes

10:31SPEAKERof this tier list construction,

10:34SPEAKERwe just do the original Macintosh sound.

10:36SPEAKER- I think original Macintosh sound, solid S tier.

10:39SPEAKERI agree with that.

10:40SPEAKER- What I mean is all these others, I think,

10:42SPEAKERare perhaps not distinct enough for separate ranking.

10:46SPEAKER- Let me give you the one for the E-Mate.

10:48SPEAKERAnd you can tell me if you think it's worth ranking.

10:50SPEAKER- What in the world is an E-Mate?

10:51SPEAKER- It's like a pocket PC.

10:53SPEAKERIt's a handheld device.

10:57SPEAKER- All right.

10:59SPEAKER- It's googly moogly, it did the thing again.

11:02SPEAKERHere we go.

11:03SPEAKERI clicked the wrong link, it doesn't work.

11:05SPEAKEROkay, here we go.

11:06SPEAKER- That'll happen.

11:09SPEAKER- Okay.

11:10SPEAKER- Okay, I've heard that sound before.

11:12SPEAKER- There's the E-Mate right there.

11:13SPEAKER- No, thank you.

11:15SPEAKER- No, hold on, I want you to bask in it.

11:18SPEAKERYeah, that's a D minus for me, I think.

11:21SPEAKER- Okay, fine, that one is different enough

11:24SPEAKERthat I'm just gonna type the E-Mate under D right now.

11:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it's bad.

11:30SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, maybe just play the Macintosh sound

11:33SPEAKERa couple more times.

11:34SPEAKERLet me roll it around the brain.

11:37SPEAKERIs it a chord?

11:38SPEAKER- Yeah, that's like a chord with the...

11:43SPEAKER- Is that, I mean, I'm like some semi musically inclined.

11:46SPEAKERI'm trying to pick apart the component sounds.

11:49SPEAKERI mean, is that like three different tones?

11:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems like it.

11:54SPEAKERI don't know, I could put the spectral analyzer

11:56SPEAKERif you want over here and let you know.

11:57SPEAKER- Would you call that a chord as such?

12:00SPEAKER- You can have a chord with three notes, right?

12:02SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's what a chord is.

12:03SPEAKERThat's what I'm saying.

12:04SPEAKERLike it's kind of, it's a hard sound to nail down

12:08SPEAKERexactly what's in there.

12:10SPEAKER(suspenseful music)

12:13SPEAKER- I, look.

12:14SPEAKER- It's, you know what, it's quick, it's pleasant, it's warm.

12:18SPEAKER- It's incredibly distinctive.

12:20SPEAKER- It makes it, it's got pretty good brand identity,

12:23SPEAKERI guess I would say.

12:24SPEAKER- Look, if you were at a club and somebody

12:26SPEAKERdropped a couple of these in the mix,

12:29SPEAKERyou'd be like, I know that sound.

12:30SPEAKER- Well, yeah, that's, yes.

12:32SPEAKERMaybe not the only thing I would say, but yeah, I would,

12:34SPEAKERyes, I do know it.

12:35SPEAKER- Look, you know, whatever.

12:38SPEAKERI think it is, I think this is definitively

12:42SPEAKERone of the things, like it has all the things you want.

12:46SPEAKERLike you said, it's short, you instantly recognize it.

12:51SPEAKERI see the picture of the ad with the Think,

12:55SPEAKERany of 'em, the Think Different, the Throw in the Superbowl,

12:59SPEAKERSledgehammer, all that stuff.

13:01SPEAKERThey're all there in your face.

13:03SPEAKERAnd it's because it's an S-tier sound.

13:06SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I think the key for me is that it's warm

13:08SPEAKERand pleasant and invites me to want to hear it again.

13:11SPEAKER- Yeah, now I think the M1, the current iteration,

13:15SPEAKERthe souped up version that they're selling these days,

13:18SPEAKERI think it's actually a regression.

13:19SPEAKERI don't think it's as good.

13:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I could agree with that.

13:23SPEAKERYeah, too much low end, I would say.

13:26SPEAKER- Yeah, and they're stacking up a bunch of reverb

13:31SPEAKERand stuff on there.

13:32SPEAKERIt's not necessary, you don't need to tart this up.

13:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I would also say I have a negative association

13:36SPEAKERwith that sound on account of the,

13:39SPEAKERshall I call it the boot on open behavior

13:41SPEAKERof modern MacBooks.

13:42SPEAKERDid you know about this?

13:43SPEAKERYou haven't had a MacBook in a while, right?

13:45SPEAKER- No, I haven't had MacBooks since the M1s.

13:47SPEAKER- MacBooks, modern MacBooks boot when you open them now

13:49SPEAKERand there's no way to turn that off.

13:52SPEAKERAnd they have also, they used to have lights.

13:54SPEAKERRemember the little battery indicator

13:57SPEAKERwith the button on the side

13:58SPEAKERwith the little pinhole through the metal LEDs?

14:01SPEAKER- Yeah, that was really nice.

14:02SPEAKER- There is, okay, so A, they turn on when you open them now.

14:05SPEAKERB, there's no way to see externally

14:07SPEAKERif they're on or not while they're closed.

14:08SPEAKERThere's no longer any kind of status indicator

14:10SPEAKERor light at all.

14:12SPEAKERAnd so a number of times I've thought like before a flight

14:15SPEAKERor whatever, like, is my laptop on?

14:17SPEAKERDo I need to turn it off to save battery

14:19SPEAKERuntil I get on the plane and boot the laptop

14:23SPEAKERin the process of opening the laptop to see if it's booted?

14:26SPEAKER- I don't think you have to worry about that

14:27SPEAKERin a modern, like, you know?

14:30SPEAKER- I mean, on a long enough trip,

14:32SPEAKERyou would like to save as much battery as you can, you know?

14:34SPEAKER- I guess, I guess I don't take the trips that long anymore.

14:36SPEAKER- My trips are long.

14:38SPEAKER- I think that the modern M1 sound

14:40SPEAKERis like a B probably for me.

14:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't, we need to rank that one.

14:45SPEAKER- I mean, it's, you know, I think we listen to it.

14:48SPEAKER- We just rank it, you know?

14:50SPEAKER- It is just a, ah, sure.

14:53SPEAKEROkay, fine, M1 Mac is a B, sure.

14:55SPEAKER- Yeah. - Okay, I can get behind that.

14:57SPEAKER- Okay, you wanna switch out?

14:59SPEAKERSo it's okay, so we got Macintosh,

15:01SPEAKERoriginal OG Macintosh startup sound S, M1 Mac B, E main D.

15:06SPEAKERGreat episode, I think we can call it here.

15:08SPEAKERWe'll come back next week, we'll do some more.

15:10SPEAKER- Happy holidays, everyone.

15:12SPEAKER- You wanna go maybe PlayStation 1?

15:16SPEAKER- Yeah, why don't we ping pong console and computer stuff

15:19SPEAKERa little bit?

15:19SPEAKER- Okay, so here we go.

15:20SPEAKERHere's the, this is the, this is the original

15:23SPEAKERlaunch era PlayStation 1 sound.

15:26SPEAKER(dramatic music)

15:37SPEAKER- All right, some interesting facts I have for you here.

15:39SPEAKERThere were a couple of YouTube videos

15:41SPEAKERI meant to dig out of my history and send to you

15:43SPEAKERbefore we did this and did not have time for that.

15:45SPEAKER- Okay. - I've watched

15:46SPEAKERa couple of breakdowns of the sound over time.

15:49SPEAKEROkay, first of all, there's the thing everybody knows

15:51SPEAKERwhich is that's actually two different sounds.

15:52SPEAKERDid you have a PlayStation?

15:54SPEAKER- I did not have a PlayStation, no.

15:56SPEAKERThe first time I heard this was like six months ago.

15:58SPEAKER- What the fuck?

15:59SPEAKEROh, wait, we talked about that, didn't we?

16:00SPEAKER- We talked about this.

16:01SPEAKER- That was a startling revelation.

16:05SPEAKERSo anybody who owned a PlayStation knows this part.

16:07SPEAKERThat's actually two sounds.

16:09SPEAKERThe beginning low end bong is the console power on sound,

16:14SPEAKERlike just the ROM boot up.

16:16SPEAKER- Okay.

16:16SPEAKER- The tinkly glassy sounding second part.

16:19SPEAKER- The chimes?

16:21SPEAKER- Like the chimey, yes.

16:22SPEAKERAlthough we'll get to how that synthesized

16:23SPEAKERis really interesting.

16:24SPEAKERThat only plays if there's a bootable disc in the drive.

16:27SPEAKERSo if there's not,

16:28SPEAKERif there's not, you only hear the fullness

16:30SPEAKERof the low end part and then it just dumps you

16:33SPEAKERinto the system like memory

16:34SPEAKERand CD player management interface.

16:36SPEAKERAnd then if you put in a bootable,

16:39SPEAKERlike a game or a bootable disc after the fact,

16:41SPEAKERyou will only get the chimes as it then boots the software

16:45SPEAKERup, so those are actually distinctive sounds

16:47SPEAKERthat just happened to blend together

16:49SPEAKERif you have a game in the drive when you turn the system on.

16:52SPEAKER- So what happened if you had like a CD-ROM,

16:54SPEAKERan optical CD, like an audio CD in there?

16:56SPEAKER- It would just go straight to that system interface

16:58SPEAKERthat I mentioned that basically lets you either manage

17:00SPEAKERmemory cards or go to the CD player software.

17:02SPEAKER- Wild.

17:03SPEAKER- Here's the lesser known and way more interesting part

17:06SPEAKERto me, that sound is not recorded at all.

17:09SPEAKERIt is synthesized on the fly by the PlayStation's sound

17:11SPEAKERhardware every time you boot the system.

17:13SPEAKER- With math?

17:14SPEAKER- Yes, with transforms and programmatic magic going on

17:19SPEAKERbecause I've, and that's what that deep dive video

17:21SPEAKERI watched was that was fascinating because somebody,

17:24SPEAKERpeople have dumped the component sounds

17:26SPEAKERfor that thing from the ROM.

17:27SPEAKERThey sound nothing like the thing you're actually hearing.

17:30SPEAKER- So it's not even like MIDI files.

17:32SPEAKERIt's not even like MIDI where it's using,

17:34SPEAKERit's just using math directly on the chip.

17:36SPEAKERThat's wild.

17:37SPEAKER- It's using three samples.

17:38SPEAKERI wish I, again, I wish I had sent those files to you.

17:42SPEAKERNow I really want to go find them.

17:43SPEAKERI don't want to delay the podcast long enough to go do that.

17:46SPEAKERBut if you find the component sounds,

17:48SPEAKERthe things made up of they're much, much shorter

17:51SPEAKERand they are way, way less kind of interesting to listen to.

17:54SPEAKER- Okay, so before you told me all this,

17:55SPEAKERI was like, this one's pretty meh.

17:58SPEAKERLike I don't like the gap between the wah wah part

18:01SPEAKERof the bit beginning in the chimes at the end.

18:03SPEAKER- Yes, but now you know that those were two separate sounds

18:05SPEAKERthat are being triggered by system events.

18:07SPEAKER- Yeah, and one of the other things that's interesting

18:09SPEAKERabout this whole process is I think that these things

18:12SPEAKERstarted to cover like boot time.

18:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:16SPEAKER- Like if you think about it, like you didn't have this

18:17SPEAKERon the NES or the SNES or the N64 really.

18:20SPEAKER- Yeah, those systems do not have BIOSes.

18:24SPEAKERThose things just run the software directly

18:27SPEAKERfrom the cartridge to the CPU, right?

18:28SPEAKER- Yeah, or the software is just chips

18:30SPEAKERon the cartridge, right?

18:32SPEAKER- In fact, my understanding of the cartridge systems,

18:34SPEAKERI barely know about this stuff.

18:35SPEAKERI've just read a little, like effectively

18:37SPEAKERwhen you put a cartridge into a cartridge-based console

18:40SPEAKERand hit the power button,

18:40SPEAKERyou're effectively completing a circuit.

18:42SPEAKERLike the presence of the ROM is completing a circuit

18:45SPEAKERthat then allows the data to flow versus, yeah,

18:48SPEAKERlike all the CD-based systems have BIOSes

18:50SPEAKERand are full computers in a more traditional sense.

18:53SPEAKER- In and of themselves.

18:55SPEAKERSo like now knowing what I know,

18:59SPEAKERlike this is a pretty good one.

19:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't have quite the nostalgia for it.

19:04SPEAKERBasically, I mean, there's the like 12-year-old rule

19:07SPEAKERof nostalgia, right?

19:08SPEAKERLike whatever thing came out when you were 12,

19:10SPEAKERthat's the thing you will love more than anything ever.

19:12SPEAKERAnd like, I was just a tad bit too old for that

19:14SPEAKERwhen the PlayStation came out.

19:16SPEAKER- Explains why I like the Michael Keaton Batman movie though.

19:19SPEAKER- Yeah, there are people out there

19:20SPEAKERwho just like fall all over themselves

19:22SPEAKERabout how much they love the sound.

19:23SPEAKERAnd I'm not quite there on the purely nostalgic end,

19:26SPEAKERbut I still respect this sound very highly.

19:31SPEAKERAnd I could see it at either an S or an A.

19:34SPEAKER- Like, I don't think this is an S.

19:35SPEAKERI think this is a solid A.

19:38SPEAKERI think that there are other better PlayStation sounds.

19:42SPEAKER- I might, okay, I think there might be one better one.

19:45SPEAKER- I mean, I didn't say there were many other

19:46SPEAKERbetter PlayStation sounds.

19:48SPEAKER- There's only two more.

19:49SPEAKER- No, no, no, there's more.

19:50SPEAKER- Well, okay, I'm not counting handhelds here.

19:53SPEAKERBut of big TV-based PlayStations, there's only two more.

19:57SPEAKERAnd then consoles, as we will get into consoles,

19:59SPEAKERinexplicably just stopped having boot-up animations

20:01SPEAKERand sound.

20:02SPEAKER- They still have boot-up animations and sound.

20:04SPEAKERYou just never see them 'cause they never turn off anymore.

20:09SPEAKER- Wait, no, the Xbox is the only one.

20:11SPEAKERXbox is the only one, PS5 has nothing.

20:14SPEAKER- Okay, you wanna jump ahead?

20:16SPEAKERWe can jump ahead.

20:17SPEAKER- Switch has nothing, Switch 2 has nothing.

20:21SPEAKER- Okay.

20:22SPEAKER- All right, I'm gonna table that PlayStation ranking.

20:25SPEAKERI'm going to, or now, put it at A.

20:28SPEAKER- Okay.

20:29SPEAKER- But I'm not sure I agree.

20:30SPEAKERBut for the sake of expediency, let's keep moving.

20:33SPEAKER- I'm gonna pull up the PS5 startup sound now.

20:36SPEAKER- Wait, what?

20:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:38SPEAKER- What PS5 startup sound?

20:40SPEAKER- Here you go.

20:41SPEAKERYou ready for it?

20:41SPEAKER- No.

20:45SPEAKEROh, I don't know if, hmm.

20:47SPEAKER- Please see in sort, there you go, startup sound.

20:50SPEAKER- I don't know if that counts.

20:51SPEAKER- That is absolutely a startup sound.

20:53SPEAKER- I guess.

20:54SPEAKERThat's the login screen though, that's not the same thing.

20:57SPEAKER- It's the thing, when you turn on the PlayStation.

21:00SPEAKER- Here's the thing though, a startup sound has to end.

21:03SPEAKERAnd that doesn't end until you log in.

21:05SPEAKERIt will sit there making that droning sound forever.

21:09SPEAKER- It just merges into your menu music.

21:11SPEAKER- Like it, like, I don't know.

21:15SPEAKER- Listen, look, this has all of the highlights

21:20SPEAKERof a startup sound, here you go.

21:24SPEAKERThat is a startup sound right there.

21:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess maybe it does blend into the,

21:29SPEAKERlike the sign-in screen will just sit there

21:30SPEAKERand make it an ethereal background droning sounds forever.

21:33SPEAKERBut I guess that might technically be a distinctive sound.

21:36SPEAKERThat one's okay.

21:38SPEAKERIt's fine, it's like a B.

21:40SPEAKER- Yeah, a B is good as right for that.

21:42SPEAKER- It's a B or a C to me, I think.

21:44SPEAKER- Look, I would argue for knocking off a tier

21:47SPEAKERjust because it isn't distinct.

21:48SPEAKERI think a distinctness is better than an indistinct one.

21:51SPEAKER- Yeah, and there's no animation that goes along with it,

21:53SPEAKERwhich is also criminal.

21:55SPEAKER- Sir, I, look, the PlayStation logo is like,

21:59SPEAKERhey man, you should consider turning on your controller.

22:01SPEAKERAnd it also says it has a friendly warning.

22:05SPEAKERIt says see important health and safety warnings

22:08SPEAKERin the settings menu.

22:09SPEAKER- This is exactly why that's disqualifying.

22:11SPEAKERA startup animation cannot be conveying

22:12SPEAKERactionable information to the user.

22:14SPEAKERIt needs to be purely for vanity.

22:16SPEAKER- I would argue that this is not conveying

22:17SPEAKERactionable information to the user either.

22:20SPEAKER- It needs to be purely, look how cool our console is,

22:22SPEAKERhow rad is this?

22:23SPEAKER- There's a lot of sparkles on that page

22:25SPEAKERalong with the actionable information.

22:27SPEAKER- Yeah, all right, I will allow it, but it's a B.

22:31SPEAKER- B is, B feels right.

22:32SPEAKER- This is reminding me we didn't pull any

22:34SPEAKERof the analog consoles for this,

22:36SPEAKERwhich those things are crazy.

22:39SPEAKER- Look.

22:39SPEAKER- I think Disaster Piece did the sound for one of them,

22:43SPEAKERif I'm not mistaken, like we-

22:44SPEAKER- Oh, the analog analog consoles.

22:46SPEAKER- Yeah, analog with a UE.

22:48SPEAKER- I didn't know that.

22:49SPEAKER- Like the FPGA based video game console company.

22:52SPEAKER- That's wild.

22:53SPEAKERI think Phil Fish did the boot up animation for one of them.

22:56SPEAKER- I'm suddenly much more interested in those.

22:57SPEAKER- It's like, they're cool.

22:59SPEAKERYou can go find them on YouTube,

23:00SPEAKERbut yeah, we'll see if we pull those in or not.

23:03SPEAKER- Okay, so let's do, let's pull,

23:05SPEAKERlet's pull, let's get a little crazy here.

23:08SPEAKERLet's do, what about a classic here?

23:12SPEAKERThis one, let's see if you recognize this one.

23:15SPEAKER- Well, I saw what you were clicking in the Google Docs,

23:17SPEAKERso I'm afraid I already know.

23:20SPEAKER- Oh.

23:23SPEAKER- Is that Windows Vista?

23:25SPEAKER- Yeah, you saw it in the Google Doc.

23:26SPEAKER- Yes, again.

23:27SPEAKER- It's not, yeah, okay.

23:28SPEAKERUnjust.

23:31SPEAKER- I'm not sure if I'm ready to rank Vista

23:33SPEAKERthat far out of order yet.

23:35SPEAKERI know I'm starting to think

23:35SPEAKERmaybe we should go chronologically.

23:37SPEAKER- You think we should go chronological?

23:38SPEAKER- My argument here is that I think that

23:40SPEAKERwe need to consider what's come before

23:42SPEAKERand how they have built upon or regressed from each other.

23:45SPEAKER- Okay, okay, so I can start with Windows.

23:47SPEAKERI'm gonna start with Windows 3.1.

23:48SPEAKERWe didn't do prior to Windows 3.1 just because-

23:51SPEAKER- You haven't even played it yet.

23:51SPEAKER- I'm typing Windows 3.1 under S.

23:54SPEAKER- What?

23:55SPEAKER- Just go ahead and play it.

23:56SPEAKERThis is a formality, but go ahead and play it.

23:57SPEAKER- Oh my God, I have words.

24:01SPEAKER- Just hit me with it.

24:02SPEAKERYeah.

24:03SPEAKER- Okay.

24:04SPEAKER- Again.

24:05SPEAKERAgain.

24:07SPEAKER- Ta-da!

24:09SPEAKER- I mean, it's probably objectively not great,

24:14SPEAKERbut remember when I talked about the nostalgia

24:15SPEAKERfor the PlayStation sound?

24:17SPEAKERThis is in my wheelhouse.

24:19SPEAKER- Really?

24:19SPEAKER- Yeah, hell yeah.

24:20SPEAKER- Okay, so my Windows 3.1 startup sound

24:23SPEAKERwas Homer Simpson saying-

24:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah.

24:25SPEAKER- Like, "I just replaced this immediately."

24:27SPEAKER- Mine was Yoda going, "I hope you like it, yes, hmm."

24:32SPEAKERBut like, still, well, but they actually,

24:36SPEAKERthey also use this for shutdown.

24:37SPEAKERLike when you closed, when you exited program manager,

24:40SPEAKERthey also used it there.

24:41SPEAKER- Yep.

24:42SPEAKER- Although I guess we're technically talking

24:43SPEAKERabout startup sounds here, but I mean,

24:45SPEAKERit's so dumb and festive and happy and excited.

24:50SPEAKER- I honestly, I just, I don't think it's very good.

24:55SPEAKERI think fundamentally it is,

24:57SPEAKERyeah, it's dumb, festive, happy, and excited.

25:00SPEAKERThose are all negatives from where I'm sitting.

25:02SPEAKER- You know, I wanna feel good and excited

25:04SPEAKERabout sitting down and using my computer.

25:07SPEAKER- I don't think that's what computers are for, Brad.

25:10SPEAKERI think this is a solid BA maybe at best.

25:15SPEAKER- I could see an A.

25:18SPEAKERI could see an A.

25:19SPEAKER- I mean, I can, look,

25:21SPEAKERI don't think we should be giving out S-tiers willy-nilly.

25:24SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying.

25:24SPEAKER- I definitely agree with that,

25:26SPEAKERwhich I might apply the same thing,

25:28SPEAKERreasoning to the Macintosh sound, but.

25:31SPEAKER- You mean the sound that started it all, the R sound.

25:34SPEAKER- Can I point out that this sound

25:35SPEAKERis literally called tada.wave?

25:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:38SPEAKER- And what better way to celebrate your sitting down

25:41SPEAKERand using your computer than tada?

25:44SPEAKER- I'm gonna open up the windows for work groups,

25:46SPEAKERWindows 3.11 sound.

25:49SPEAKER- Is it different?

25:50SPEAKER- I don't remember.

25:51SPEAKER- I don't remember it being different.

25:53SPEAKERThat to me is the exiting Windows sound.

25:55SPEAKER- Well, that's what they used for starting Windows.

25:57SPEAKERThey just didn't care.

25:58SPEAKER- Was it really?

25:59SPEAKER- Yeah, somebody just picked one.

26:00SPEAKER- That's true, there was, you're right,

26:02SPEAKERthere was very little sanctity to the choices

26:05SPEAKERthey were making at that time.

26:07SPEAKER- Yeah, there wasn't a decider on this one.

26:09SPEAKERIt was just whoever committed the last change got to choose.

26:13SPEAKER- Okay, are we treating these as separate then,

26:15SPEAKER3.1 and 3.11?

26:16SPEAKER- They're distinct OSs.

26:17SPEAKERI think 3.1.1 is a C or maybe a D.

26:20SPEAKER- Oh, really?

26:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:22SPEAKER- I'd say like B at worst, that's fine.

26:24SPEAKER- If we're reading sound effects, yeah,

26:25SPEAKERbut if we're reading startup sounds,

26:27SPEAKERthese don't have the grandeur and majesty

26:29SPEAKERthat a startup sound needs.

26:31SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe you're right.

26:33SPEAKERYeah, as a startup sound, it's fairly lackluster.

26:37SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like an eight-year sound effect for sure.

26:41SPEAKERBut eight-year startup sound?

26:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a good event sound.

26:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:47SPEAKER- All right, okay, fine, you know, C, sure.

26:51SPEAKER- So Windows 3.1, you think A is as low as it goes?

26:56SPEAKER- Yeah, for now.

26:57SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna push to bump that down later,

27:00SPEAKERbut we can revisit.

27:01SPEAKER- We can recalibrate as this thing piles up.

27:03SPEAKER- Should we pull another console?

27:04SPEAKERYou wanna dip into the,

27:07SPEAKERyou wanna stick with the PlayStation theme

27:09SPEAKERor do you wanna go for something a little more Sega-y?

27:13SPEAKER- Well, actually, yeah, do we wanna remain within a family,

27:17SPEAKERwithin a company's console,

27:19SPEAKERor do we wanna, for me, generations is better.

27:22SPEAKERMaybe comparing what the competition was doing

27:25SPEAKERat the same time is probably useful here.

27:27SPEAKER- The Saturn is tricky because they had

27:29SPEAKERdifferent startup sounds for different variants

27:31SPEAKERof the console.

27:31SPEAKER- Yeah, that's crazy.

27:32SPEAKERI didn't own a Saturn at the time,

27:34SPEAKERso that's kind of foreign to me.

27:36SPEAKER- I found this out when I was setting up

27:37SPEAKERmy Mr. Saturn core, and I was like,

27:40SPEAKER"Oh, I gotta get different BIOSes for this,"

27:42SPEAKERand then they all sounded different.

27:44SPEAKER- Now, I don't know if we've addressed this

27:45SPEAKER'cause we are recording this out of order.

27:47SPEAKERWe haven't recorded the intros for these shows yet,

27:49SPEAKERbut this is obviously an audio-only podcast,

27:51SPEAKERand most of these have visuals that go with them,

27:53SPEAKERand in some cases, like this one,

27:55SPEAKERI think those visuals are kind of key.

27:57SPEAKER- I don't think we should consider the visuals though.

27:59SPEAKERIt's the best startup sounds.

28:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess you're right.

28:02SPEAKERI'm just saying that from, okay,

28:04SPEAKERyou should play the Saturn one,

28:05SPEAKERbut what I remember of the Saturn one,

28:06SPEAKERthe sound evokes what's happening on the screen.

28:08SPEAKER- It's true, it does.

28:10SPEAKERI believe this is the U.S., U.K.,

28:13SPEAKERU.S., E.U., and Korea Sega Saturn startup sound, I believe.

28:18SPEAKER(

28:24SPEAKERe-mail chimes)

28:24SPEAKER- Because I don't have it in front of me,

28:25SPEAKERbut again, doesn't the Saturn boot up,

28:26SPEAKERlike kind of the screen shatter and come back together

28:27SPEAKERor something along those lines?

28:28SPEAKER- It starts with a bunch of particles,

28:30SPEAKERkind of like triangles flying in and around,

28:32SPEAKERand then they get sucked up all together,

28:35SPEAKERand it forms a Sega Saturn logo at the end,

28:38SPEAKERso here it is again.

28:39SPEAKER- Might be thinking of a Japanese one.

28:40SPEAKER(e-mail chimes)

28:43SPEAKERThat one's pretty harsh to me.

28:45SPEAKERI don't know, I don't think that's anything to do

28:48SPEAKERwith the quality of this call

28:49SPEAKERor the quality of the recording you're playing, necessarily.

28:52SPEAKERIt's a little shrill, though.

28:54SPEAKER- I mean, there's definitely a lot of highs in there

28:56SPEAKERin a way that I don't necessarily need.

28:59SPEAKER- I think that might be like a C to me.

29:02SPEAKER- Look, if I was including the Sega Saturn logo for the U.S.,

29:06SPEAKERwhich was, I think, actively terrible,

29:09SPEAKERthen it would probably drop to a D, as far as I'm concerned,

29:12SPEAKERbut I could see a C for this.

29:14SPEAKERThis seems right.

29:15SPEAKER- Okay, well, what about Saturn Japan?

29:17SPEAKER- Okay, so here's Saturn Japan.

29:19SPEAKERThere were apparently different manufacturers

29:22SPEAKERof the Saturn Japan.

29:23SPEAKER- Yeah, you run into that if you play with the Saturn core

29:26SPEAKERon the mystery world or in Saturn emulators as well.

29:28SPEAKERYou have to supply your own BIOS.

29:30SPEAKERPerhaps you've heard about this.

29:32SPEAKERSupply your own BIOS.

29:34SPEAKERNot legal to distribute the BIOS file,

29:35SPEAKERbut when you go out and configure those things,

29:38SPEAKERyou have to pick which Saturn BIOS you want to use

29:40SPEAKERto boot games with, and sure enough,

29:42SPEAKERthe Victor Saturn and the Hitachi Saturn,

29:44SPEAKERI don't know if those are really, are those in play here?

29:48SPEAKER'Cause those are such variants.

29:50SPEAKERThey're not the Sega-manufactured hardware.

29:53SPEAKER- They're on the list.

29:54SPEAKERThey have Saturn in the name.

29:56SPEAKERI think some of them are better than others.

29:57SPEAKERLet's play the Japan,

30:00SPEAKERjust the standard Japanese Saturn first.

30:03SPEAKER(dramatic music)

30:10SPEAKER- Now that's great. - Now that one owns.

30:11SPEAKER- Now that's great.

30:12SPEAKER- Yeah, that one's really good.

30:13SPEAKER- It's kind of like,

30:14SPEAKERit's kind of like they're revving an orchestra.

30:17SPEAKERIt sounds like they're revving a car,

30:18SPEAKERbut it's musical in some way.

30:20SPEAKER- It really does.

30:20SPEAKERIt feels like it's like the orchestra tune-up sound,

30:23SPEAKERbut literally somebody has the gas pedal

30:25SPEAKERand they're making it go faster.

30:26SPEAKERI'm gonna play it again.

30:28SPEAKER(dramatic music)

30:33SPEAKER(dramatic music)

30:35SPEAKER- And that boom at the beginning is mwah.

30:39SPEAKERIt's really good.

30:40SPEAKER- Yep, it's good.

30:41SPEAKERIt's real good.

30:41SPEAKERIs that the one that visually looks like

30:43SPEAKERthe screen is shattering?

30:45SPEAKER- It's still the pieces forming up

30:47SPEAKERand then it makes the screen at the end.

30:48SPEAKER- It might be the victor or the Hitachi

30:50SPEAKERthat I'm thinking of with that breaking glass

30:52SPEAKERkind of effect on it.

30:53SPEAKERBut yeah, I guess the visuals don't really matter here.

30:55SPEAKERI'm gonna say that's like an A at least.

30:57SPEAKER- I think that's A or S for me.

30:59SPEAKERThat's the best of the console ones so far.

31:01SPEAKERPut it at A for now.

31:03SPEAKER- I'm gonna play the victor.

31:05SPEAKERI can't remember which one's next.

31:06SPEAKERI think it's victor.

31:09SPEAKERThis is victor.

31:09SPEAKER(dramatic music)

31:15SPEAKERIt's exactly the same sound.

31:17SPEAKERThe difference is the logo says V Saturn

31:22SPEAKERinstead of Sega Saturn.

31:24SPEAKERAnd now, so I think that one we don't count

31:26SPEAKER'cause it sounds the same.

31:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I want to say the Hitachi is different though.

31:29SPEAKER- The Hitachi one's different, yeah.

31:31SPEAKER- So here it is.

31:32SPEAKERThis is the high Saturn.

31:33SPEAKER(dramatic music)

31:40SPEAKER- Also quite good.

31:42SPEAKER- See, I don't like that one as much.

31:43SPEAKER- I think for what it's worth,

31:45SPEAKERI think it's the high Saturn BIOS that I use

31:47SPEAKERwith the Mr. Core.

31:48SPEAKERI think that one is the most compatible.

31:50SPEAKER- So here we go again.

31:51SPEAKER(dramatic music)

31:57SPEAKERThat one has some good business

31:58SPEAKERwhere the letters fly towards you.

31:59SPEAKERThey're like extruded 3D letters

32:01SPEAKERand you fly between two rows of letters.

32:04SPEAKERAnd then it's a nice colorful logo.

32:06SPEAKERThis is a good logo.

32:08SPEAKERI don't like this sound as much.

32:09SPEAKERI think this is a D tier sound probably.

32:11SPEAKERC or D for me.

32:12SPEAKER- Wow, I was going to suggest a B maybe.

32:15SPEAKER- Wow.

32:15SPEAKER- Hit me one more time with it.

32:16SPEAKER- Okay, you want it one more time?

32:18SPEAKERI can give you one more time.

32:20SPEAKER- Deserves consideration.

32:21SPEAKER(dramatic music)

32:28SPEAKER- I think there's just too much stuff going on.

32:29SPEAKERIt's like got some alien twinges at the beginning

32:32SPEAKERand then it's like, oh, we got to get some chimes in here.

32:35SPEAKERThe brand is chimes, put the chimes in.

32:37SPEAKER- I guess I could see that.

32:39SPEAKER- I don't know, I'm not feeling it.

32:40SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, how about a C for now?

32:43SPEAKER- C is good.

32:43SPEAKERI can do a C.

32:44SPEAKER- Okay, we did not rank the victor, so.

32:47SPEAKER- Victor does, there's no vector for victor, sadly.

32:49SPEAKER- All right, that's all of the Saturn sounds then.

32:53SPEAKER- Okay, so that means we got Saturn, Japanese.

32:56SPEAKERThe stock Japan is an A.

32:58SPEAKERThe high Saturn and the U.S. Saturn are both Cs.

33:01SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds right.

33:02SPEAKERAnd Nintendo, it should be pointed out.

33:04SPEAKERI mean, while it was a cartridge system,

33:06SPEAKERthere kind of wasn't really a boot animation to boot

33:09SPEAKERbecause there was no BIOS to boot.

33:10SPEAKERSo I guess N64 gets a pass here for what it's worth.

33:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:16SPEAKER- Okay, here we go.

33:18SPEAKERNot to start the show with the showstopper,

33:20SPEAKERbut if we're doing Windows in chronological order,

33:22SPEAKERit's 95 next.

33:24SPEAKER- Yeah, this is-- - We don't even need

33:26SPEAKERto listen to it.

33:28SPEAKER- You know what, never hurts though.

33:29SPEAKER- This is, absolutely not.

33:31SPEAKERI'm just typing it under S already though.

33:33SPEAKER- Yeah, that's right.

33:34SPEAKER(gentle music)

33:39SPEAKER- Like whatever they paid Brian Eno,

33:41SPEAKERthat money did not go to waste.

33:43SPEAKER- It's just amazing to me that it's such a crappy version.

33:47SPEAKER- That is the second or third or maybe number one thing

33:50SPEAKERI wanted to come in here and say about this.

33:51SPEAKERIt is fucking criminal that Microsoft has never released

33:53SPEAKERa higher quality version of that file.

33:55SPEAKER- Yeah, right.

33:56SPEAKERWell, like why does it have hiss?

33:57SPEAKERIt's a digital file.

33:58SPEAKER- Well, it's very low quality.

34:00SPEAKERI meant to, this is, it's been a busy month

34:03SPEAKERgetting content ready for the holidays here,

34:04SPEAKERbut I meant to go download a Windows 95 ISO

34:08SPEAKERand pull the actual WAV file from it to double-check.

34:10SPEAKERBut my memory of that file is that it is at best

34:14SPEAKERlike 22 kilohertz, eight bit audio.

34:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really, really low-fi.

34:18SPEAKER- It might be 11 kilohertz,

34:20SPEAKERbut this was pre-audio compression.

34:22SPEAKERYou know, like this was pre,

34:23SPEAKERI mean, it existed in academic contexts,

34:26SPEAKERbut like in terms of like end-user facing audio compression,

34:29SPEAKERI mean, that's still several years before MP3s and MP,

34:32SPEAKERor I've said this many times, my first MP3 was an MP2.

34:36SPEAKER- My first MP3 was also an MP2,

34:37SPEAKERbut look, they had room for a buddy,

34:40SPEAKERfor a Weezer video and what's-her-name-

34:43SPEAKER- Those sound like shit too, though.

34:44SPEAKER- Yeah, but- - E.D. Brickell,

34:46SPEAKERbut those also- - E.D. Brickell, yeah.

34:46SPEAKER- Those also sound bad, and that was on the CD, you know?

34:49SPEAKER- That's true, it was on the CD.

34:50SPEAKER- This is something that needed to fit on floppy disks

34:53SPEAKERand also fit into memory at boot

34:55SPEAKERand just not be super low impact or high impact.

34:58SPEAKER- I mean, I guess we're talking about a time

34:59SPEAKERwhen machines had like two megabytes of RAM,

35:02SPEAKERfour megabytes of RAM, so- - Yeah, yeah, and slow CPUs,

35:05SPEAKERwhich, you know, that also matters,

35:06SPEAKERbut yes, they absolutely should have put out

35:09SPEAKERa higher quality version of this thing since then.

35:11SPEAKERIt is really shitty just from a computer history standpoint.

35:14SPEAKERIt's really shitty that they have not done so.

35:15SPEAKER- I wonder if they have it.

35:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that's entirely possible.

35:18SPEAKER- 'Cause like a lot of this era, like the THI,

35:21SPEAKERlike famously some of the masters for these are lost

35:24SPEAKERor missing or the way they generated them

35:26SPEAKERis impossible to recreate now, so like, yeah.

35:29SPEAKER- I mean, it's possible that Eno still has it in some form.

35:31SPEAKERI don't know what his workflow

35:33SPEAKERand his archiving practices are like,

35:35SPEAKERbut have you ever read the,

35:37SPEAKERyou ever read his comments on making this thing?

35:39SPEAKER- No.

35:40SPEAKER- He's talked about how creatively invigorating

35:42SPEAKERit was to make this.

35:43SPEAKERI think he said he composed 80-something pieces for this

35:46SPEAKERbefore he settled on the one to turn in.

35:50SPEAKERI think, I don't have the quote in front of me,

35:52SPEAKERbut it's effectively, he had like kind of a creative log jam

35:55SPEAKERon whatever album he was working on at the time.

35:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:58SPEAKER- And he had to take a break from that

35:58SPEAKERto do this job for Microsoft.

36:00SPEAKERAnd he said his head like exploded with creativity

36:03SPEAKERbecause composing three seconds of music

36:05SPEAKERwas such a novel challenge.

36:07SPEAKER- I can see that, right?

36:09SPEAKER- Kind of like making something that felt like

36:11SPEAKERa complete beginning, middle and end in three seconds

36:13SPEAKERwas so off beat for what he normally did

36:16SPEAKERthat he like loved the process

36:18SPEAKERand just made dozens of these things.

36:20SPEAKERAnd also boy, would it be cool to hear

36:22SPEAKERsome of those other types of that.

36:23SPEAKER- I would love to hear the other ones, yeah.

36:25SPEAKER- Why don't you like pepper it in here a couple more times

36:27SPEAKERwhile we're wrapping up on it?

36:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:29SPEAKER(gentle music)

36:33SPEAKER- Like there is just, there is an ineffable quality to it.

36:36SPEAKERIt's like, I don't even know how to,

36:39SPEAKERI mean, I guess that's the point of something being ineffable

36:41SPEAKERis you can't really describe it,

36:42SPEAKERbut there's something like, it's not exactly optimistic,

36:47SPEAKERbut it's a little bit like forward-looking

36:49SPEAKERand like kind of implies future potential.

36:52SPEAKERAnd like, I'm kind of mixing this with like the cloud imagery

36:56SPEAKERthat was all over the Windows 95 packaging

36:58SPEAKERand wallpaper and stuff.

37:00SPEAKERThat's just like, there's something,

37:01SPEAKERthere's a bit of a like head in the clouds quality to this.

37:05SPEAKER- The thing about it is it's the amuse-bouche for Windows.

37:08SPEAKERThat's what all of these sounds are.

37:09SPEAKERThese are the amuse-bouche for your device.

37:11SPEAKERYou're getting that first little taste.

37:13SPEAKERAnd we came from this.

37:15SPEAKER(gentle music)

37:16SPEAKERAnd we went to this.

37:19SPEAKER(gentle music)

37:22SPEAKER- It's good.

37:24SPEAKERIt's good and like weirdly tasteful maybe

37:26SPEAKERfor Microsoft of the era.

37:28SPEAKER- Well, again, even though the sound quality is crap

37:30SPEAKERand it had hiss and all this other technical stuff

37:32SPEAKERthat's bad about it, it still sounds really freaking,

37:36SPEAKERlike it sounds like something you've never heard before,

37:39SPEAKERwhich was kind of amazing.

37:41SPEAKERNow, I kind of want to do the Windows NT one here

37:44SPEAKERat the same time 'cause the NT4,

37:46SPEAKERand I think 98, they might share the same one.

37:48SPEAKERMaybe NT4 is a different one.

37:49SPEAKERI can't remember. - Yeah, real quick

37:50SPEAKERbefore you play it, I will just say,

37:52SPEAKERyou can find no end of YouTube videos

37:54SPEAKERof people trying to recreate the Windows 95 sound perfectly

37:56SPEAKERin modern software. - Oh, yeah.

37:58SPEAKER- And like, it's cool to hear it in high fidelity,

38:00SPEAKERbut nobody has ever gotten it pitch perfect 100% to my ear.

38:04SPEAKERLike, several of them that I've heard

38:07SPEAKERare like kind of 95, 98% there,

38:09SPEAKERbut there's always one little thing or two

38:12SPEAKERthat's just something about the timing

38:13SPEAKERor the tone of the instrumentation's just never quite there.

38:16SPEAKER- None of them have the juice.

38:18SPEAKERYou want to hear NT4? - Yeah.

38:19SPEAKER- You've probably never heard this one before.

38:20SPEAKER- No, I ran NT4 for a fair amount of time.

38:24SPEAKER- Okay, so here we go.

38:25SPEAKER(dramatic music)

38:33SPEAKER- It's not bad.

38:34SPEAKERIt may be a little overwrought to me.

38:36SPEAKER- It's very industrial.

38:38SPEAKER- Yeah, kind of.

38:38SPEAKERThere's just sort of a lot going on there.

38:40SPEAKER(dramatic music)

38:44SPEAKERI like that balm.

38:46SPEAKER- There's some nice stuff in there, for sure.

38:48SPEAKERNot that visuals matter too much here,

38:50SPEAKERbut didn't NT4.0 have like that nighttime sky motif

38:54SPEAKERto Windows 95's starry daytime sky, right?

38:56SPEAKER- Look, it was for serious work.

38:57SPEAKERThey were dark mode people.

38:58SPEAKER- Right.

39:00SPEAKERLike, it didn't have that little like starry night back--

39:02SPEAKER- I think so, yeah. - Graphic when you log in.

39:04SPEAKER- The logo was darker, generally speaking, too.

39:07SPEAKERSorry, I didn't mean to play it again there, but yeah.

39:09SPEAKERThat one's okay, that's like a B for me, I think, at best.

39:14SPEAKERI don't think that makes an A for me.

39:17SPEAKER- Wow, even with these chimes at the end,

39:19SPEAKERlike these chimes are pretty good.

39:20SPEAKERLet's hear it one more time.

39:22SPEAKERI'll give you the whole thing.

39:24SPEAKER(dramatic music)

39:33SPEAKERYou know, you're kind of right.

39:34SPEAKERAlso, it kind of has an indescribable karaoke vibe to it.

39:38SPEAKER- Okay.

39:40SPEAKER- It's like, hey, we paid Brian Eno a boatload of money

39:44SPEAKERto make this first one.

39:46SPEAKERAnd now Steve over in accounting,

39:48SPEAKERhe has a keyboard and some sense.

39:51SPEAKERJust do that again, but make it a little darker.

39:54SPEAKER- This is going to be a common theme

39:55SPEAKERfor subsequent Windows startup sounds.

39:58SPEAKER- There's a couple of bangers in there.

39:59SPEAKER- They're not all bad, to be clear.

40:00SPEAKERSome of them are pretty good, but that's one of the,

40:03SPEAKERalmost all of them, every single one as we get through them,

40:06SPEAKERI think we will find are all just like that Brian Eno one,

40:09SPEAKERbut not as good.

40:10SPEAKERLike, they're all going for the same thing.

40:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I think B for this is right.

40:15SPEAKERB feels right.

40:16SPEAKER- I'm okay with that.

40:17SPEAKER- I'm going to jump.

40:18SPEAKEROkay, so we got two S rankings right now,

40:20SPEAKERoriginal Macintosh sound and Windows 95.

40:23SPEAKERThis is utterly predictable.

40:25SPEAKERPlayStation, Windows 3.1 in Saturn, Japan, and A.

40:28SPEAKERI don't know about that Windows 3.1 one.

40:30SPEAKERI feel like it's dick waning here.

40:34SPEAKERB tier is the M1 current Mac sound,

40:36SPEAKERthe PS5 sound, and Windows NT4.

40:40SPEAKERC is Windows 3.1, Saturn US, and Hitachi Saturn, Japan.

40:45SPEAKERAnd then D is the Apple E-Mate.

40:48SPEAKER- Which I think the E-Mate is only being considered

40:52SPEAKERso we have something to put under D so far.

40:54SPEAKER- Oh, there's more, trust me, there's more Ds coming.

40:56SPEAKER- Okay, so we're back to consoles.

40:59SPEAKERI'm going to argue, well, no, that's a lot.

41:01SPEAKERI was going to say, maybe we should do all the consoles

41:03SPEAKERfrom this generation in a block here.

41:05SPEAKER- We can, I'm down for that.

41:06SPEAKER- But that is Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube, and Xbox.

41:09SPEAKERI mean, I would say this is the golden age

41:11SPEAKERof console startup sounds.

41:13SPEAKER- Yeah, this is the pinnacle, as far as I'm concerned.

41:16SPEAKER- PS1 and Saturn are great,

41:18SPEAKERbut they were really going forward at this time

41:19SPEAKERand boot up animations.

41:21SPEAKERLike Dreamcast came out first, so let's start there.

41:24SPEAKER- Oh, Dreamcast first?

41:24SPEAKERI was going to do Xbox first.

41:25SPEAKER- No, no, that was the last one that came out.

41:27SPEAKER- Oh, oh.

41:29SPEAKERHere's Dreamcast coming in.

41:31SPEAKER(eerie music)

41:35SPEAKERFuck, man.

41:39SPEAKER- Listen to the dripping.

41:40SPEAKER- That is an instant S tier to me.

41:44SPEAKERIt's so moody and atmospheric.

41:47SPEAKER- You see, I came into this thinking

41:49SPEAKERit was going to be hard to beat the GameCube

41:50SPEAKERand like, that's a banger.

41:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm conscious of maybe not giving out

41:56SPEAKERtoo many Ss here too willy-nilly.

41:58SPEAKER- You know what, here's the thing though.

42:00SPEAKER'Cause the GameCube is also absolutely killer,

42:03SPEAKERbut anyway, go on.

42:05SPEAKER- Hold on.

42:09SPEAKER- I hadn't thought about the Dreamcast boot up sound

42:11SPEAKERin 10 or 15 years at this point, probably.

42:15SPEAKERMaybe, it's been a while since I turned on a Dreamcast,

42:17SPEAKERbut I forgot how good that is.

42:19SPEAKER- I was going to say, the other thing that's happening here,

42:21SPEAKERand we're not getting it on the podcast

42:22SPEAKER'cause the podcast is unfortunately mono,

42:25SPEAKERbut these are also stereo and have good,

42:28SPEAKERI feel like the Dreamcast one and the GameCube one

42:31SPEAKERboth have some binaural business going on

42:33SPEAKERso that you get the left and the right

42:35SPEAKERand it feels real weird in your ear holes.

42:37SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

42:38SPEAKERThis is an S for me, 100%.

42:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fantastic.

42:41SPEAKER- Yeah, impossible to beat.

42:43SPEAKERIt sets up, actually, if you want to knock this one,

42:47SPEAKERthe problem is it sets a mood and a tone

42:50SPEAKERthat the console cannot live up to.

42:54SPEAKERNothing on the console is as good as this sound.

42:57SPEAKER- You're gonna get some angry letters about that.

43:00SPEAKERLook, the Dreamcast is very good.

43:01SPEAKER- Shenmue is not as good as this.

43:03SPEAKER- The Dreamcast is, well, I mean.

43:05SPEAKER- I love my Dreamcast, right?

43:07SPEAKER- Dreamcast is a great console.

43:08SPEAKERGone too soon.

43:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:11SPEAKERI hooked it up so that we could play Samba Demi Go

43:13SPEAKERa few weeks ago.

43:14SPEAKERI played Crazy Taxi within the last two years.

43:17SPEAKERIt's an all-timer.

43:18SPEAKER- Choo-Choo Rocket, perhaps?

43:20SPEAKER- Oh, Choo-Choo Rocket's fucking great.

43:22SPEAKERBut like that sound, the sound is,

43:25SPEAKERthere's a fidelity mismatch in the contract

43:29SPEAKERwith the audience that this sound is better

43:31SPEAKERthan anything else they did.

43:33SPEAKER- Again, I'm just gonna decline to comment.

43:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really good.

43:40SPEAKEROkay, so which one do you want?

43:41SPEAKERIt's PlayStation 2 next?

43:43SPEAKERIs that chronological?

43:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they're in the dock in the order they came out.

43:46SPEAKER- Okay, so here's the PS2.

43:52SPEAKER(crowd booing)

43:56SPEAKER- I'm torn on this one because it might be,

43:59SPEAKERit might be my favorite console boot up.

44:02SPEAKERNow that I'm saying this, I'm second guessing myself.

44:04SPEAKERIt's up there among my favorite console boot ups.

44:08SPEAKERYou know that-

44:09SPEAKER- Does it do the thing again

44:11SPEAKERwhere it only does the PlayStation logo

44:13SPEAKERif the disc is in?

44:15SPEAKER- In this case, the sound, like the disc startup sound,

44:19SPEAKERlike you have put in valid software sound

44:20SPEAKERis just that little boop at the end.

44:22SPEAKER- Boop at the end, okay.

44:23SPEAKER- It's when the PlayStation 2 logo appears on the screen.

44:25SPEAKERIt's just that tiny little stinger sound at the end.

44:28SPEAKER- This one's real harsh for me.

44:29SPEAKERLike this initial chime stuff here.

44:32SPEAKER- I think, yeah, it is pretty harsh hearing it

44:34SPEAKERin headphones without the visual.

44:36SPEAKERI think it works super well with the visual,

44:39SPEAKERbut I know we're not really considering that here.

44:41SPEAKER- I mean, I'm open to considering visuals, but-

44:43SPEAKER- Are you watching a video?

44:45SPEAKERI can just call all these to mind 'cause I-

44:47SPEAKER- I'm watching videos

44:47SPEAKER'cause I'm not super familiar with a lot of these.

44:49SPEAKERI have done nothing with my life but play video games,

44:51SPEAKERbut this isn't really germane,

44:54SPEAKERbut I love dropping random facts

44:56SPEAKERthat the visual you get,

44:57SPEAKERthose columns that are kind of emerging out of the ether

45:01SPEAKERare programmatic based on,

45:03SPEAKERI'd have to look up the factors,

45:04SPEAKERbut I think it's like,

45:05SPEAKERI want to say it's like reading your memory card

45:07SPEAKERand those are-

45:08SPEAKER- It's like the blocks stored on your memory cards?

45:10SPEAKER- They're not, I don't think the representations

45:12SPEAKERof storage as such,

45:13SPEAKERbut it's more like pulling stats from some of your stuff.

45:17SPEAKER- I'd have to follow up on this to really say for sure,

45:19SPEAKERbut I distinctly remember reading

45:22SPEAKERthat those columns are generated on the fly

45:24SPEAKERbased on unique data on your PS2.

45:26SPEAKER- This one's a C, I think, for me.

45:28SPEAKER- It's a rad detail,

45:29SPEAKERbut it doesn't really factor into the sound ranking

45:32SPEAKERon an audio podcast, I suppose.

45:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I think the sound is,

45:35SPEAKERI don't think this is anywhere near as good

45:37SPEAKERas the Dreamcast sound,

45:38SPEAKERand I think this is maybe even sub PS5 sound.

45:42SPEAKER- C seems harsh to me.

45:44SPEAKERPlay it one more time.

45:46SPEAKER(dramatic music)

45:54SPEAKER- I think the best part of it's that whoosh.

45:57SPEAKERIt doesn't have any of the mood or grandeur

45:59SPEAKERthat the Dreamcast wants.

46:00SPEAKERListen to this.

46:01SPEAKERPlay Dreamcast again.

46:03SPEAKER(dramatic music)

46:07SPEAKERLike, what are all those drips?

46:09SPEAKERIs it leaking in here?

46:10SPEAKERI don't know, I'm curious.

46:11SPEAKERI have questions.

46:12SPEAKEROh, I didn't mean to play it again, shoot.

46:14SPEAKER- Oh, that's great.

46:15SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really good.

46:17SPEAKER- I did Google around real quick.

46:20SPEAKERIt seems a bit mixed, but generally,

46:23SPEAKERlike, okay, here's one site.

46:27SPEAKERThe amount of towers indicate how many games you've saved

46:29SPEAKERand the height of the towers, how long you've played them.

46:32SPEAKER- Wow.

46:33SPEAKER- Others are just saying it's how many save games you have

46:36SPEAKERon the memory cards.

46:39SPEAKER- Man.

46:39SPEAKER- But the fact that those are dynamic based on play data,

46:41SPEAKERI think is incredibly rad.

46:43SPEAKERBut again, doesn't really matter here.

46:45SPEAKER- I miss the days when consoles

46:48SPEAKERweren't necessarily internet connected,

46:49SPEAKERso that didn't feel like a huge invasion of privacy

46:51SPEAKERto collect that data, and it's just a cool thing

46:55SPEAKERthat has happened because of the way you play your games.

46:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it pains me to say it, but is this a C?

47:01SPEAKER- I think this is a C, man.

47:02SPEAKER- I could see a B.

47:04SPEAKER- I don't, look.

47:05SPEAKER- The PS2 is a very cool console,

47:07SPEAKERand that again is like one of my favorite console bootups,

47:09SPEAKERbut I feel like the sound in a vacuum is maybe not the best.

47:12SPEAKER- Now, if we wanna hear, you wanna hear a banger sound.

47:18SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

47:19SPEAKER- I've got three options for you.

47:20SPEAKER- Well, two are just for funsies, but go ahead.

47:24SPEAKER- Two of them are real.

47:25SPEAKER- No, no, no, I know they're all real.

47:27SPEAKERI'm just like, two of them are just fun peculiarities.

47:29SPEAKER- Yeah. - Anyway, go ahead.

47:30SPEAKER- Weird stuff.

47:31SPEAKER- It's the GameCube, go ahead and play the GameCube.

47:34SPEAKER(upbeat music)

47:38SPEAKERNow, I'm just gonna say this again,

47:40SPEAKERthe visuals don't matter here,

47:41SPEAKERbut this is the single best union of visuals and sound

47:44SPEAKERon this entire list.

47:46SPEAKER- I think that's probably right.

47:47SPEAKER- Like the sounds perfectly track that thing folding,

47:51SPEAKERunfolding on the screen,

47:52SPEAKERand the whole way the logo folds out at the end,

47:55SPEAKERlike it's just, it's a great sound.

47:57SPEAKER- And then you're like, hey, it's a G,

47:59SPEAKERit makes a G and it's made of cubes.

48:01SPEAKERThis is right on the nose, and it's such whimsy.

48:06SPEAKERListen to this again.

48:07SPEAKER- Yep.

48:08SPEAKER(upbeat music)

48:12SPEAKERI mean, this is prime Nintendo having fun

48:14SPEAKERwith its product era.

48:16SPEAKER- And like, we're not talking about the videos,

48:18SPEAKERbut like the way that the last cube smacks into place

48:21SPEAKERand the whole object moves, and it's like,

48:24SPEAKERit's clear that the people who did the animation

48:26SPEAKERare not just good computer animators,

48:28SPEAKERbut actually understand 2D animation

48:29SPEAKERand a bunch of other stuff,

48:30SPEAKER'cause of the way the whole thing warps is spectacular.

48:33SPEAKER- Yep, it's great.

48:34SPEAKER- This is instant S tier.

48:36SPEAKER- Yes, this is just an S.

48:38SPEAKER- Yeah, now there's two other alts.

48:40SPEAKERI don't know if we should rank these,

48:41SPEAKERbut I think these happened when you held down buttons

48:44SPEAKERon the controllers, is that right?

48:46SPEAKER- Yes, they were basically hidden alternate sounds

48:49SPEAKERfor this thing.

48:50SPEAKER- Okay, so this is when you hold down one button

48:52SPEAKERon one controller.

48:55SPEAKER(upbeat music)

48:56SPEAKER- Yep, there it is.

49:00SPEAKER- I mean, it's pretty good. - It's just dumb.

49:02SPEAKER- The kid laughing at the end, it really sells it.

49:04SPEAKERI never knew this, this is not a thing I knew.

49:06SPEAKER- Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was a fun,

49:09SPEAKERwe would do that in the GameSpot office here and there.

49:11SPEAKERPlay that again, is there a dog barking in there?

49:14SPEAKER- I, there's squeaks for sure.

49:17SPEAKER- There's a boing or two.

49:18SPEAKER(squeaking)

49:22SPEAKERIt kinda sounds like a computerized puppy barking.

49:26SPEAKER- There's a spring, I think it's a kid.

49:29SPEAKER- Well, there's definitely the child at the end, but.

49:31SPEAKER(squeaking)

49:34SPEAKERThat sounds like a dog in a video game barking to me,

49:36SPEAKERbut anyway.

49:37SPEAKER- It's, to me, the squeaks sound like squeaky clown shoes.

49:40SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, okay.

49:41SPEAKERAll right, and then we've got the samurai one.

49:43SPEAKER- Yeah, then this is if you had four controllers,

49:45SPEAKERwhich I didn't know anybody who had four controllers.

49:47SPEAKER(upbeat music)

49:52SPEAKER- That one's also pretty great.

49:53SPEAKER- The womb when the cube hits the G is quite good.

49:58SPEAKER- Yep, you know, I'm fine with not ranking these though.

50:01SPEAKERI think those are a fun goof, a fun Easter egg, but.

50:05SPEAKER- I think novelty, we have to,

50:08SPEAKERyou look, we have to hold the line somewhere, you know?

50:11SPEAKER- Yep, agreed.

50:12SPEAKERAll right, well.

50:12SPEAKER- Okay, and the last one for this generation

50:14SPEAKERis the original Xbox, the Xbox One Arabic, not the Xbox.

50:20SPEAKER- Yes, the OG Xbox is usually the best way

50:24SPEAKERI can think to describe it these days.

50:25SPEAKERThanks, Microsoft.

50:26SPEAKER- Yeah, green and a bad logo.

50:29SPEAKERHere we go.

50:30SPEAKER(wind whooshing)

50:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm much like the PS2.

50:38SPEAKERThis one is a, this is a sound that evokes what's happening

50:40SPEAKERon the screen very well,

50:41SPEAKERbut I don't think is very good as a sound on its own.

50:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I agree.

50:45SPEAKERI think this is a, this may be even a D.

50:46SPEAKERI'm not, I don't love this one.

50:48SPEAKERI'm gonna play it again.

50:49SPEAKER- That's, I can see it.

50:53SPEAKER(wind whooshing)

50:59SPEAKERI mean, for people who don't know,

51:00SPEAKERyou're effectively seeing kind of like

51:02SPEAKERa giant green nuclear reactor that is-

51:05SPEAKER- It's like a blob, yeah.

51:07SPEAKER- Implied to be inside of your super powerful Xbox.

51:10SPEAKER- And I'd like, for what it's worth,

51:11SPEAKERI like the chimes at the end.

51:12SPEAKERI think the chimes are the best part.

51:14SPEAKER- That's easily the best part.

51:15SPEAKER- All of the machine sounds at the beginning

51:17SPEAKERare not what I want to hear every time I turn on.

51:19SPEAKER- There's some bubbly squishy stuff in there as well.

51:22SPEAKER- Yeah. - Which is weird.

51:23SPEAKERYeah, I'm fine with this at a D.

51:25SPEAKER- Like they needed a misphonia mode for this thing.

51:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:29SPEAKER- Okay, so what is this, fourth generation consoles,

51:33SPEAKERfifth generation consoles?

51:34SPEAKER- Oh, we do not use generational numbers for consoles here.

51:37SPEAKER- Oh, we don't, okay.

51:38SPEAKER- Those are fake.

51:39SPEAKER- Oh, good to know.

51:40SPEAKER- Those don't mean anything.

51:41SPEAKER- So these are 128-bit consoles then.

51:43SPEAKER- Yeah, there you go.

51:44SPEAKERNow you are designating correctly.

51:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:47SPEAKER- Windows 98?

51:49SPEAKER- Yeah, we could go up to Windows 98.

51:50SPEAKERYou wanna, this might be the same as,

51:53SPEAKERthis is similar to the NT4 one, I think.

51:55SPEAKERI can't remember.

51:56SPEAKER- I thought I remembered 98 having its own thing.

51:58SPEAKER- I think you're, actually I think you're right

52:00SPEAKERas I look at the picture now.

52:01SPEAKERMy brain, I'm closing tabs.

52:04SPEAKERHere's Windows 98.

52:12SPEAKER- Just nowhere near the 95 one.

52:14SPEAKER- It's got no, like, it's got no juice.

52:18SPEAKERIt has absolutely, it's the most milk toast sound

52:20SPEAKERthey've ever made, I think.

52:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:23SPEAKER- I think I prefer to dah to this.

52:25SPEAKER- Oh, definitely.

52:26SPEAKERI mean, like it's without saying.

52:28SPEAKER(dramatic music)

52:31SPEAKER- It's not, it's not bad.

52:32SPEAKERIt's just kind of generic.

52:34SPEAKER- Do you know what the first thing I did

52:35SPEAKERwhen I installed Windows 98 and I heard this was?

52:37SPEAKER- Replace it with the Windows 95 one?

52:38SPEAKER- I went and downloaded the Windows 95 one

52:40SPEAKERand put it on here instead.

52:41SPEAKER- Good, good.

52:42SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a D, solid D.

52:43SPEAKER- Man, really?

52:45SPEAKER- Yeah, fuck them.

52:46SPEAKER- I was gonna put it at a C, but.

52:47SPEAKER- They took art.

52:48SPEAKERThis is like, they looked at the Mona Lisa

52:50SPEAKERand then they were like, you know what?

52:51SPEAKERI can do this, and they drew an XKCD.

52:53SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, okay.

52:54SPEAKERYou know, just in the spirit

52:55SPEAKERof having a more balanced tier list,

52:57SPEAKERI'd sure help with that as a D.

52:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's about hot takes.

53:01SPEAKER- And probably just move on from there.

53:03SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like the right choice.

53:05SPEAKERThe less said, the better.

53:07SPEAKER- Should we maybe do a few more Windows here

53:09SPEAKERsince we burned through a bunch of console?

53:10SPEAKER- We can do some, do you wanna hit a Windows ME?

53:13SPEAKER- Sure.

53:14SPEAKER- Or Millennium Edition?

53:17SPEAKER- Sure.

53:18SPEAKER- Who doesn't wanna hear the Windows ME startup sound?

53:20SPEAKERThis is the sound that like 18 people have heard

53:22SPEAKER'cause nobody bought this. - I was gonna say, yeah.

53:24SPEAKER- Yeah, here we go.

53:25SPEAKER(gentle music)

53:29SPEAKER- The secret of this one is this one's pretty good.

53:31SPEAKER- It's not bad.

53:32SPEAKERLike it, it sounds a little khakis to me.

53:36SPEAKERLike it's a little bit-

53:38SPEAKER- I mean, look, Dockers were the official pants

53:40SPEAKERof Microsoft at this point, so.

53:42SPEAKER- It's a little bit nerdy, business, casual,

53:45SPEAKERMicrosoft style kind of thing to me.

53:49SPEAKER- Have you ever watched any of those,

53:50SPEAKERlike the videos, like the corporate,

53:53SPEAKERlike "Innertro 3000 presents,"

53:57SPEAKER(imitates music)

53:59SPEAKER- I have not.

53:59SPEAKER- It's like got, it's got, definitely got that vibe.

54:01SPEAKER- I'm sure, yeah. - Right?

54:03SPEAKER(gentle music)

54:06SPEAKER- It's pleasant, the piano makes it pleasant.

54:08SPEAKERLike it's got a pleasant vibe to it.

54:10SPEAKERIt's just a little bit, I don't know,

54:12SPEAKERlet's milk toast. - Boring.

54:14SPEAKER- Yeah, bland.

54:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:16SPEAKER- I've been, I could see it at a C.

54:19SPEAKER- But I think it's better, I think it's better than,

54:23SPEAKERI think it's better than a C.

54:25SPEAKERI think this is the one place,

54:26SPEAKERthis is the one good thing that Windows ME has going for it.

54:30SPEAKER- Sure. - You know, kill toss.

54:32SPEAKER- Yeah. - And this sound, pretty good.

54:34SPEAKER- Yeah, okay. - I think this is a B for me.

54:36SPEAKER- Really?

54:37SPEAKER- I think this is a good one.

54:39SPEAKERYou wanna play it again?

54:40SPEAKER- I don't know.

54:42SPEAKER(gentle music)

54:46SPEAKER- When we both use words like bland and boring,

54:48SPEAKERI'm not sure that that rises to B exactly.

54:51SPEAKER- But look, it's hopeful and bland.

54:53SPEAKERThat's like, this is like,

54:57SPEAKERwhat's the band, what's the right band for this?

55:01SPEAKERThis is like the gin blossoms of Windows startup sounds.

55:05SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

55:07SPEAKER- Gin blossoms are a B.

55:08SPEAKERThey're not a C, they're not good.

55:11SPEAKERNobody's gonna say, yeah,

55:12SPEAKERthe gin blossoms are my favorite band.

55:14SPEAKERBut like every gin blossom song comes on,

55:16SPEAKERyou kind of bop your head and you sing along to it.

55:18SPEAKER- Someone is enraged right now.

55:20SPEAKER- Look, if people don't scream at their radios

55:22SPEAKERduring tier lists, then we're doing it wrong.

55:24SPEAKER- I suppose that's a fair point.

55:25SPEAKERShould we try to get up through XP?

55:29SPEAKERMaybe we should try to get up through XP here.

55:30SPEAKER- Yeah, we can do that.

55:31SPEAKER- Kind of going in eras of stuff here.

55:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it's hard to believe

55:35SPEAKERthis was all like a five-year period.

55:37SPEAKER- I know, it's crazy to think

55:38SPEAKERhow fast new Windows releases came out back then.

55:40SPEAKER- Well, it's 'cause they realized

55:41SPEAKERthat if they did one every year,

55:42SPEAKERthey could make way more money for people.

55:44SPEAKER- They sure did.

55:45SPEAKERBut also like computers were getting rapidly better,

55:48SPEAKERlike everything was improving very quickly back then.

55:50SPEAKER- Also true.

55:52SPEAKEROkay, so this is Windows 2000 Professional

55:54SPEAKERbuilt on NT technology.

55:56SPEAKER- Yep, they find Windows.

55:59SPEAKERHey, hang on.

56:01SPEAKERHang on.

56:01SPEAKER- No, this is a solid B tier, I think, probably.

56:05SPEAKER- Hang on, can you play the ME one again?

56:07SPEAKER- Yeah, you wanna hear the ME?

56:08SPEAKERWhy would you wanna hear the ME one again?

56:09SPEAKERI thought you didn't like it.

56:10SPEAKERI thought it was bland.

56:11SPEAKER- I need to compare and contrast here.

56:15SPEAKERAre they literally the same?

56:17SPEAKER- They're exactly the same.

56:21SPEAKER- Hmm, maybe we should move it up a notch.

56:25SPEAKER- No, what?

56:26SPEAKER- I just happened to, I like Windows.

56:29SPEAKERWindows 2000 is one of the best Windowses.

56:32SPEAKERI have very fond memories of Windows 2000.

56:34SPEAKER- Windows 2000 was fantastic.

56:35SPEAKER- It was great.

56:36SPEAKER- Let's get two CPUs.

56:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I certainly did not have that problem.

56:40SPEAKERBut I was very,

56:42SPEAKERsomebody who tried to run NT 4 for a long time

56:44SPEAKERand you know how spotty compatibility was on that.

56:49SPEAKERGetting the NT kernel in a much more stable and robust

56:52SPEAKERand sort of consumer-focused version of.

56:55SPEAKER- With full DirectX?

56:57SPEAKERIt was great.

56:57SPEAKER- Full DirectX, you could play all the games.

56:59SPEAKERLike 2000 was rad.

57:00SPEAKER- Uh-huh, it was really good.

57:02SPEAKERIt was the beginning of,

57:03SPEAKERit was the precursor of Windows XP.

57:06SPEAKER- 2000.

57:07SPEAKER- I don't remember this one at all.

57:08SPEAKER- Windows 2000 is better than Windows XP.

57:11SPEAKER- Wow.

57:12SPEAKER- It just is.

57:12SPEAKER- It doesn't have that aqua, though.

57:13SPEAKER- It just is.

57:15SPEAKER- Look, go back to your gray taskbar.

57:18SPEAKERDo you remember the nostalgia thing

57:20SPEAKERI mentioned with the PlayStation startup sound?

57:23SPEAKERThat shit is out of control for Windows XP.

57:26SPEAKERLike, I'd have to look at population numbers.

57:29SPEAKERI mean, isn't it kind of an established fact

57:31SPEAKERlike the millennial generation,

57:32SPEAKERthere was a pretty big population surge

57:34SPEAKERkind of like there was with the boomers.

57:35SPEAKERI mean, they're the children of boomers, right?

57:38SPEAKER- Well, children boomers in Gen X, yeah.

57:40SPEAKER- Like, I just have to assume there are a lot of people

57:43SPEAKERwho were 12 when Windows XP came out

57:45SPEAKERbecause the number of people who you will see going

57:48SPEAKERthat the Windows XP GUI was peak computing is endless.

57:52SPEAKERI think people have got a bizarre love for Windows XP

57:55SPEAKERthat I don't quite understand.

57:57SPEAKER- Here's the other thing about Windows XP,

57:59SPEAKERis it lasted a really long time.

58:01SPEAKER- Yeah, that's probably part of it, sure.

58:03SPEAKER- Like, if you think about it, it released in what, 2001?

58:06SPEAKER- Yeah, and then it stuck around

58:07SPEAKERthrough multiple service packs,

58:08SPEAKERand also Vista was a disaster.

58:10SPEAKER- And Vista stunk.

58:11SPEAKER- People probably kept using it longer than expected.

58:13SPEAKER- And they didn't EOL it for ages, yeah.

58:16SPEAKERBut also I think a lot of people were coming of age

58:18SPEAKERand spending a lot of time on the family computer

58:21SPEAKERaround the time that XP was big.

58:23SPEAKERAnyway.

58:24SPEAKER- It was designed to be friendly looking.

58:26SPEAKERWell, it had bright, bright colors.

58:28SPEAKERLook.

58:29SPEAKER- Well, cue it up then.

58:30SPEAKER- Nothing wrong with a little blue in your OS.

58:32SPEAKER- You know, if we're talking friendly, let's have it.

58:35SPEAKER(gentle music)

58:38SPEAKEROkay, that's a good startup sound.

58:40SPEAKER- That's a banger.

58:41SPEAKERIt's short, it's to the point.

58:43SPEAKER- That's an A for me.

58:44SPEAKERThat is like the closest they probably ever got

58:46SPEAKERto the Eno again.

58:49SPEAKER(gentle music)

58:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it's super good.

58:52SPEAKER- It's orchestral, it is somewhat grandiose.

58:56SPEAKER- There's a rising, it's an up.

59:00SPEAKERThe whole thing is an up.

59:01SPEAKERIt sounds like going up.

59:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:04SPEAKER- Yeah, and it also has hints of blue,

59:06SPEAKERwhich is themed appropriately for the whole thing.

59:09SPEAKERDo you not like blue?

59:10SPEAKER- I hate the XP gooey.

59:11SPEAKERI hate the XP gooey. - Really?

59:12SPEAKER- I hate it man.

59:14SPEAKER- Wow, I guess I didn't know you in an XP timeframe.

59:17SPEAKER- It did, I mean, I ran XP like everybody else.

59:19SPEAKERSo like XP, I actually didn't XP still give you the option

59:22SPEAKERto revert to the 195 style?

59:24SPEAKER- You could do the gray one still.

59:25SPEAKER- I think I a hundred percent did that.

59:27SPEAKER- That seems right.

59:28SPEAKER- Actually that was also in the era.

59:29SPEAKERI found some old desktop screenshots.

59:31SPEAKERThat was also the era when I was like doing DLL stuff

59:34SPEAKERto make my windows look like a Mac at that time.

59:37SPEAKER- Oh God.

59:38SPEAKER- So anyway, anyway.

59:41SPEAKER- Should I do one more just for good measure

59:42SPEAKERjust 'cause it's good?

59:43SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

59:44SPEAKER(gentle music)

59:47SPEAKER- Why is this not an S?

59:49SPEAKER- I don't think it's quite there.

59:50SPEAKER- Wow.

59:51SPEAKER- It is like a slightly less artistic version

59:56SPEAKERof the Eno one.

59:57SPEAKER- I mean, it does still feel like Eno karaoke.

59:59SPEAKERIf I go back and play the Eno one now,

1:00:02SPEAKERyou're gonna hear the same tones and same themes.

1:00:04SPEAKER- It's a little predictable.

1:00:06SPEAKERIt's executed very well, but it's not like,

1:00:08SPEAKERlike the Eno one surprises you

1:00:10SPEAKERand the Windows XP one does not surprise you.

1:00:12SPEAKERIt just pleases to some degree.

1:00:14SPEAKER(gentle music)

1:00:19SPEAKERLike that is interesting instrumentation.

1:00:21SPEAKERThose are interesting tonal choices.

1:00:26SPEAKERLike that, again, that one surprises Windows XP one.

1:00:30SPEAKER(gentle music)

1:00:31SPEAKERThat's like, that's nothing I have not heard before.

1:00:33SPEAKERThat's just strings and piano and stuff.

1:00:35SPEAKERLike it's not like, it's not me asking like,

1:00:37SPEAKERwhat kind of piano is Eno playing there?

1:00:39SPEAKERThat sounds weird.

1:00:40SPEAKER- Yeah, one sounds otherworldly, otherworldly,

1:00:44SPEAKERand one sounds like something you'd hear in an elevator.

1:00:47SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, but it's very good for that.

1:00:49SPEAKER- Yeah, it's good elevator music,

1:00:51SPEAKERbut still elevator music. - Sure, yeah.

1:00:53SPEAKER(upbeat music)

1:00:56SPEAKEROkay, let's call it there for this week.

1:00:58SPEAKERWe will be back and finish the other half of this next week.

1:01:00SPEAKERBut before we get out of here,

1:01:02SPEAKERI'm going to read the current tier list

1:01:05SPEAKERas it stands for posterity at S, S tier.

1:01:09SPEAKERMacintosh, Windows 95, Dreamcast, and GameCube.

1:01:13SPEAKERA, PlayStation 1, Windows 3.1, Saturn,

1:01:18SPEAKERJapan, the Japanese Saturn, and Windows XP.

1:01:21SPEAKERB tier, the M1 Macintosh, PlayStation 5,

1:01:25SPEAKERWindows NT 4.0, and Windows ME/Windows 2000.

1:01:31SPEAKERAt C, Windows 3.11, that's Windows for work roots.

1:01:36SPEAKERThe American Saturn, the Hitachi Hi Saturn,

1:01:40SPEAKERthe PlayStation 2.

1:01:42SPEAKERAnd then at the D tier, the E-Mate,

1:01:45SPEAKERthe Xbox original, and Windows 98.

1:01:49SPEAKER(upbeat music)

1:01:52SPEAKER- And that'll be a wrap for 2025.

1:01:55SPEAKER- I suppose it will, but not for our tier list,

1:01:58SPEAKERwhich we'll continue into next week.

1:02:00SPEAKER- I can't believe where we ended up.

1:02:02SPEAKERIt's just absolutely incredible.

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