304: Gamify Your Sleep

00:00SPEAKERAll right. I need some advice. I have a PC question for you and also for our audience.

00:04SPEAKERI'm just going to kind of crowdsource the advice here a little bit because I can't screw this up.

00:08SPEAKERYeah. The personal computer. I can help you with that.

00:10SPEAKERYes. The IBM compatible.

00:12SPEAKERYeah.

00:12SPEAKEROkay. I'm sure you must have tried this at some point in the past.

00:16SPEAKERI need to power some hard drives hooked up to a computer, but not off the power supply

00:21SPEAKERrunning that computer.

00:22SPEAKERYeah. You can buy a thing that does that. I have it right here.

00:25SPEAKERNo, no, no, no. You're okay for the audio listeners out there, which is a hundred percent of you.

00:31SPEAKERThe thing you just held up is some kind of like SATA to USB-C thing.

00:36SPEAKERYeah. You plug it to USB-C into the computer and then you just jam the other end into the,

00:40SPEAKERinto the butt of your hard drive.

00:41SPEAKERAlso, this is four hard drives and I think they might be 7,200 RPM. So that might not cut it.

00:46SPEAKERSo you get four of those.

00:48SPEAKEROkay. I've got an extra ATX power supply.

00:50SPEAKEROkay. You can do that.

00:53SPEAKERThis is like weirdly hard to research or I have not been able to find a lot of like very

00:56SPEAKERdefinitive. Yes, this is how you do this. But what I've gathered looking online is that you can plug

01:01SPEAKERthe drives into the ATX power supply and just bridge those two pins, right? The, whatever,

01:07SPEAKERwhichever two pins it is on the 24 pin ATX connector, you can just kind of jump it.

01:11SPEAKERYeah. So I used to do that with a paperclip. You'd cut a piece of paperclip off and fold

01:15SPEAKERit over and jam it across the two pins.

01:17SPEAKERSo I don't even have to do that. I've got my, my good seasonic power supply came with

01:21SPEAKERlike an official one of those that you plug into the thing that.

01:24SPEAKERA jumper. Does it have a resistor on to put a little bit of load on it too?

01:27SPEAKERI don't know about that.

01:29SPEAKERSo I was gonna say the thing, the thing that I would do is I'm sure somebody makes one. I have,

01:33SPEAKERI don't actually own one, but I'm sure somebody makes a thing that you plug into the ATX connector

01:38SPEAKERthat does the jump or puts a switch across those, across those pins and also puts a resistor. So you

01:45SPEAKERget a load on whatever rail you're, because, because the thing, and it may not be a problem

01:49SPEAKERon new power supplies, but at least in the old days, you always had to make sure you put a

01:53SPEAKERresistor on, on that. Cause if you ran the power supply without any load on or with too low a load,

01:58SPEAKERthen bad things would happen.

02:00SPEAKERWhat kind of bad things? So this is, this is what I'm worried about.

02:02SPEAKERYou'd kill the power supply.

02:03SPEAKEROh, okay. This is what I'm worried about. Cause it's for basically brand new hard drives. It's

02:07SPEAKERthe ones I bought last year on Black Friday sales and stuff. I'm finally three years after I bought

02:12SPEAKERthat USB enclosure to do backups from my server. And I think, I think that enclosure has been

02:18SPEAKERsitting here on the floor for three years. Sometimes they just have to age.

02:22SPEAKERI think that's my project for while we're off from next Lander next week. Cause I'm

02:26SPEAKERfinally going to start doing those raspberry PI backups down the hall of my NAS Smiley.

02:30SPEAKERCan I ask a stupid question?

02:32SPEAKERYes.

02:33SPEAKERWhy don't you just use the USB enclosure?

02:35SPEAKERCause it's incredibly slow. Incredibly slow.

02:38SPEAKEROh.

02:39SPEAKERSo this is something I found out. I think, did I talk about this?

02:42SPEAKERWe talked about this. Yeah.

02:44SPEAKERNo, this detail though. I don't know if I ever circled back around and

02:47SPEAKERtold you this detail is USB three, our drive enclosure. It takes four drives and they're

02:52SPEAKERlike SATA connections and it's got a SATA controller in it that they plug into. I could

02:56SPEAKERnever figure out why that thing was so slow. And then at some point I looked at the specs

02:59SPEAKERand realized that it's SATA two.

03:02SPEAKERThat shouldn't make that much of a difference though.

03:03SPEAKERYou wouldn't think it would make that much of a difference, but it totally does.

03:06SPEAKERWell, yeah. Does it, does it like do some weird striping across the drives or does each drive

03:11SPEAKERshow up as its own device when you plug it in?

03:13SPEAKERIt's J bod. It's just the drives to show up to the operating system. So that's fine.

03:17SPEAKERBut I'm talking like four times slower than running the drive straight off of the motherboard

03:23SPEAKERSATA controller.

03:24SPEAKERSo, I mean, this thing was $8 and you could just buy four of them. It does say it works

03:28SPEAKERwith any hard drive. So it gets enough power to spin the metal.

03:31SPEAKERI've got this extra. I've got a very nice extra ATX power supply just sitting right here.

03:36SPEAKEROkay. Well, I mean, so yeah. So then in that case you, you get a big resistor and a couple

03:41SPEAKERof wires and a paperclip and you're good to go. Just make sure you, you, you're really,

03:46SPEAKERreally sure which pin is the one pin when you're counting.

03:50SPEAKERCause if you jam them in the wrong ones, the magic smoke comes out.

03:53SPEAKERWell, I think that tester only goes on one way. It's the, the, the thing that came with

03:57SPEAKERmy other power supply. Like I think it only goes in one way. So that's fine.

04:01SPEAKERAre you using it with the power supply it came with?

04:04SPEAKERYes.

04:05SPEAKEROkay. Then you're good to go.

04:06SPEAKERLike do I time it with the boot of the machine? I guess if the SATA ports are set to hot pluggable

04:11SPEAKERin the UEFI, it should be okay to just power them up whenever.

04:15SPEAKERI would turn the secondary power supply on first and then turn the computer on.

04:19SPEAKERReally?

04:20SPEAKERYeah. But also why don't you just plug it into your main power supply?

04:24SPEAKERCause I'm out of SATA. This is in my server that already has 10 hard drives in it.

04:28SPEAKEROh, that's too many hard drives, Brad.

04:30SPEAKERThat's a lot. Well, so what if that was about to be 16 hard drives? That's even more.

04:34SPEAKERThat's too many hard drives, Brad.

04:36SPEAKERWell, look, when you insist on mirroring everything, the drive count goes up rapidly.

04:41SPEAKERFair.

04:43SPEAKERHow do I turn it off? Do I just flip the rocker switch on the power supply when I'm done?

04:48SPEAKERJust unplug it.

04:50SPEAKERWell, I could just turn the switch off if I'm going to do that.

04:52SPEAKERI mean, flip the switch off. Yeah. The same thing.

04:54SPEAKERDo I shut the machine? Like same, like inverse of the question I just asked about booting up.

04:58SPEAKERDo I shut the main machine down first and then power off the drives or?

05:02SPEAKERI mean, I would just unmount those drives and do the safe eject thing and then

05:07SPEAKERyank the power.

05:08SPEAKERBut I don't, I mean, SATA is supposed to be hot pluggable, but I'm always a little bit hinky

05:13SPEAKERabout that unless it's in a hot plug rack or something.

05:17SPEAKERLike I said, I really hope to hear from some people on the Discord who have done something

05:21SPEAKERlike this before I try this.

05:24SPEAKERSo the safe way to do it is to turn off the server first and then turn off the drive power.

05:31SPEAKERYeah.

05:32SPEAKERBecause the drives can spin without any data connection on them. There's no problem.

05:36SPEAKEROkay. All right.

05:37SPEAKERYeah. Like I said, I'll, I'll wait for, for feedback from the audience before I try this,

05:41SPEAKERbut I'm.

05:42SPEAKEROr you could buy this little guy.

05:43SPEAKERGonna try this.

05:44SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

05:46SPEAKERI used it to back up a whole bunch of crappy old SSDs.

05:49SPEAKERI mean, does that just spin up the drive?

05:50SPEAKERWell, yeah, you probably haven't even tried that with a hard drive.

05:52SPEAKERLike, I don't, I don't know that that really fixes my problem though, of powering drives

05:56SPEAKERoff of something other than the computer that's running them, but still got the weird sync stuff.

06:01SPEAKERLook, I think you could just get rid of your USB cage and just plug those into four of

06:06SPEAKERthose into, into the Raspberry Pi.

06:08SPEAKERWith what?

06:09SPEAKERAnd leave it dangling.

06:10SPEAKERWith what?

06:11SPEAKERWait, is that, is that, is that power and data over USB-C?

06:14SPEAKERPower and data over USB-C. Yeah.

06:15SPEAKERI don't, what am I going to plug four USB-Cs and two on a Raspberry Pi?

06:19SPEAKERWell, you get an A to C hub.

06:21SPEAKERI don't think that hub is going to supply power to run four hard drives.

06:26SPEAKERYou just, look, Brad, life finds a way.

06:28SPEAKEROkay.

06:28SPEAKERI will, I will make this work.

06:31SPEAKERI'm going to make a JBOD with four of these and a whole bunch of old SSDs.

06:34SPEAKERI'll let you know how it goes.

06:35SPEAKERAll right.

07:04SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made in Tech Pod.

07:06SPEAKERI'm Will.

07:07SPEAKERHi Brad.

07:08SPEAKERSee, I was just going to talk about blueberry muffins.

07:10SPEAKERBlueberry muffins as opposed to raspberry pies?

07:12SPEAKERLook, my wife went to the grocery store and she got these Dolly Parton branded flavored,

07:17SPEAKERI guess.

07:18SPEAKERDolly Parton flavored blueberry muffins.

07:20SPEAKERWe got to stop talking about food items flavored by people.

07:25SPEAKERI mean, it just says, hold on, I'm going to look it up.

07:28SPEAKERIt's Dolly Parton.

07:30SPEAKERDolly Parton branded, not Dolly Parton flavored.

07:32SPEAKERThank you.

07:33SPEAKERWell, I'm sorry, the Selena Gomez ones did not say branded.

07:35SPEAKERIt just said flavored.

07:37SPEAKERYeah, I know.

07:38SPEAKERThis one says it's Dolly Parton's blueberry muffin and bread mix.

07:41SPEAKERAnd I will tell you, pretty baller blueberry muffins.

07:44SPEAKEROh, this is Duncan Hines.

07:46SPEAKERIt's a Duncan Hines mix.

07:47SPEAKERIt's like a cake mix.

07:48SPEAKERIt's like a Dolly Parton special edition blueberry muffin.

07:51SPEAKERIt's a collab, I think.

07:54SPEAKERHow is it?

07:54SPEAKERIt's fantastic.

07:55SPEAKERIt was really, I ate two of them.

07:57SPEAKERI was like, I'm gonna have a muffin.

07:58SPEAKERAnd then the muffin was so good.

07:59SPEAKERIt was gone.

08:00SPEAKERSo I horked down another one before the podcast real quick.

08:02SPEAKERSo I'm double muffin Friday over here.

08:05SPEAKERAll right.

08:06SPEAKEROkay.

08:06SPEAKERWell, you're fueled up and ready to talk about mobile devices.

08:10SPEAKERYeah.

08:11SPEAKERI mean, I guess I should have technically had an apple muffin.

08:15SPEAKERNobody makes computers named blueberries anymore.

08:17SPEAKERBut there aren't a lot of apple muffin recipes out there, are there?

08:21SPEAKERI've never seen an apple muffin.

08:22SPEAKERUsually they're branny.

08:24SPEAKERYeah, there's like cranberry.

08:26SPEAKERIt's applesauce muffins.

08:28SPEAKERTrying to think of other fruit muffins.

08:30SPEAKERSo I do an applesauce, like a dark, like dark flower brand kind of muffiny deal.

08:38SPEAKERSometimes those are pretty delish.

08:39SPEAKERThat sounds all right.

08:40SPEAKERThey're real moist, but they're not appley.

08:42SPEAKERI think apple is usually streusel.

08:44SPEAKERAnd you know, your Danish is an apple Danish.

08:48SPEAKERSometimes I like a donut, an apple cinnamon donut filled with the goop.

08:54SPEAKERHow about an apple watch?

08:57SPEAKERI mean, I would watch an apple.

08:59SPEAKERThat's what you're saying to see what happens.

09:01SPEAKERLike the other day I pulled out a parking space.

09:03SPEAKERThere was one behind me and I almost ran over it with the car.

09:05SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh no, I don't want to do that.

09:06SPEAKERThen my tires will be slippery.

09:08SPEAKERThat would be bad.

09:08SPEAKERYeah.

09:09SPEAKERBut I think you're talking about apple cores, apple watch.

09:14SPEAKERI'm sorry.

09:14SPEAKERThe new one.

09:15SPEAKERApple cores.

09:17SPEAKERIsn't it called apple core?

09:18SPEAKERI think we're torturing this fruit.

09:20SPEAKERYeah, I know.

09:20SPEAKERSorry.

09:21SPEAKERLook, I'm on iced coffee.

09:23SPEAKERSo I don't drink as much coffee before we start the podcast right now.

09:25SPEAKERThat's fair.

09:26SPEAKERI woke up at four thirty this morning.

09:28SPEAKERSo I'm also a little ragged, but we were talking about what to do for the topic this

09:33SPEAKERweek and the apple event happened and you suggested it.

09:35SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, you feel like apple stuff is like kind of whatever these days.

09:41SPEAKERDo we really need to cover another apple thing?

09:43SPEAKERAnd then I actually started looking through all these products and I was like,

09:45SPEAKERoh, this actually seems like a pretty strong year for refreshes of apple stuff.

09:49SPEAKERThere's actually a lot to talk about here.

09:50SPEAKERI mean, I think so.

09:52SPEAKERYeah.

09:52SPEAKERThe TLDR is that they did their normal September event the other day and they

09:55SPEAKERannounced the usual slate of phones, plus a new phone that we've never seen before.

10:00SPEAKERIt's then spoilers, I guess.

10:04SPEAKERAnd then they they're updating that AirPod Pro three with some stuff that's interesting

10:08SPEAKERas a as a person who uses AirPod Pro two's every single day.

10:13SPEAKERAnd then the watch updates kind of, I think the most map part of the whole thing.

10:16SPEAKERI mean, well, doesn't know.

10:18SPEAKERI mean, it's not there's nothing radical about it, but it's I might be enough to

10:22SPEAKERmake me get this watch.

10:23SPEAKERSo their core message are on the Apple watches.

10:26SPEAKERIf you don't buy this, you're going to die.

10:28SPEAKERThat's quite how they presented it, but sure.

10:31SPEAKERLike, look, man, the opening segment for this, the opening video for this scene is

10:35SPEAKERa whole bunch of people in like medical distress who or who made hiking mistakes,

10:41SPEAKERwhose lives were then saved by their Apple watches.

10:44SPEAKERI don't usually do this for these apple episodes,

10:46SPEAKERbut I watched the entirety of the presentation last night.

10:49SPEAKERYeah, that segment on Apple Watch saved my life was like.

10:54SPEAKERThe most like sort of hard string tugging.

10:58SPEAKERI mean, look, I guess Apple Watch will if you don't buy this, you will die is better

11:02SPEAKERthan buy this or we'll kill you.

11:04SPEAKERSo like, good job, Apple.

11:06SPEAKERIt still feels a bit much.

11:10SPEAKERThey're adding a couple of new sensors that are like the the one of the big themes was,

11:16SPEAKERhey, we're adding machine learning, not necessarily generative AI, but machine learning,

11:21SPEAKERplus stuff that we're already doing or two modified sensors or two new sensors to get

11:26SPEAKERsome new juice out of the old the old devices.

11:29SPEAKEROne of those things is a high blood pressure test suite thing.

11:34SPEAKERIt's not exactly a blood pressure sensor, but they're using the cameras and the watch

11:38SPEAKERto detect how the actual blood flows through your veins to detect.

11:43SPEAKERI assume they're looking for like second order.

11:49SPEAKERSecond order indicators of blood high blood pressure, right, rather than putting the cuff

11:53SPEAKERon your arm and actually measuring the temperature, the pressure at which you have to squeeze

11:59SPEAKERthe arm before blood stops coming through.

12:01SPEAKERYou're not getting what I can never remember is it was a systolic, systolic and diastolic

12:06SPEAKERor those systolic and diastolic are the two things.

12:09SPEAKERYou're not getting the two numbers out of this, to be clear.

12:11SPEAKERBut also, I think that they said they definitely were quick to say like, this will not detect

12:17SPEAKERall instances of hypertension, but it will catch a lot of them.

12:20SPEAKERYeah, the idea is it's the same reason that when you go to the dentist, they always check

12:24SPEAKERyour blood pressure.

12:24SPEAKERIt's because most people who have high blood pressure don't realize they have high blood

12:28SPEAKERpressure until after it should already have been treated.

12:30SPEAKERYeah.

12:31SPEAKERAnd so, yeah, it seems like there's like more and more thought in the medical community

12:36SPEAKERthat high blood pressure contributes to like a lot more other bad conditions than maybe

12:42SPEAKERwas previously understood.

12:43SPEAKERThat's entirely possible.

12:45SPEAKERLike I've seen it referenced in regards to dementia, for example.

12:49SPEAKEROh, yeah.

12:50SPEAKERAnd things like that.

12:51SPEAKERIt's like things you wouldn't expect, you know, beyond just like heart attack and stuff.

12:54SPEAKERYeah.

12:55SPEAKERSo it could actually be pretty good, a pretty good thing to have.

12:58SPEAKERI mean, honestly, this is one of the things as somebody who has a family history of high

13:01SPEAKERblood pressure and takes my blood pressure at least once a month at home with a meter

13:06SPEAKERon the advice of my medical professionals.

13:10SPEAKERThis is a compelling like a blood pressure sensor is really interesting in the watch.

13:15SPEAKERThe thing that they're doing where they like over a period of time give you a notification

13:20SPEAKERif they think you should go have it checked out isn't exactly what I'm looking for.

13:23SPEAKERI actually was hoping that they would have something that gives me the numbers that I'm

13:26SPEAKERsupposed to send to my doc that I'm supposed to track to make sure I don't need to call

13:29SPEAKERmy doctor.

13:30SPEAKERRight.

13:30SPEAKERYeah.

13:30SPEAKERI mean, I think that's probably just outside the scope of what something like this can

13:33SPEAKERdo on your wrist.

13:35SPEAKERYeah. And, and like in reality, I, I got a prescription for a thing that was a hundred

13:40SPEAKERbucks, I think that I just, I charge like once a year and I put it on my watch.

13:45SPEAKERI put it on my, my arm.

13:46SPEAKERIt puffs up the, it gives the number on my phone and then, you know, it tells me when

13:51SPEAKERI need to call the doctor.

13:54SPEAKERThey're doing more sleep stuff, which I thought was interesting.

13:56SPEAKERYeah, is the sleep score thing new?

13:58SPEAKERCause like they've been doing sleep tracking for a while, but is it like gamify your sleep

14:03SPEAKERas you've written in the notes?

14:04SPEAKERYeah, they gamify your sleep.

14:06SPEAKERIs that, that's, that has not been done before?

14:10SPEAKERThey would give you a graph before.

14:11SPEAKERSo if you look at your, if you go to your health app on your phone, you would get this

14:15SPEAKERgraph that has like it's four colors.

14:19SPEAKERIt's red, light blue, medium blue, and purple.

14:22SPEAKERAnd they indicate the different stages of sleep.

14:24SPEAKERAnd it kind of shows you where you are in different stages based on the time of night.

14:30SPEAKERSo you can see like, Oh, I woke up at two o'clock in the morning to pee last night,

14:33SPEAKERright?

14:34SPEAKERWhen you look at this graph, the new thing is that they give you a sleep score on a daily

14:39SPEAKERbasis that tells you, Hey, last night I scored 20 to 20 for interruptions.

14:45SPEAKERI woke up twice and I was up for two minutes total and then went right back to sleep, which

14:50SPEAKERyou know, pretty normal.

14:51SPEAKERThere was a garbage truck that came by at four o'clock in the morning and I had to pee

14:53SPEAKERat two o'clock in the morning.

14:55SPEAKERDoes that thing ever show you wake ups that you don't remember?

14:57SPEAKERLike obviously you get up to go pee, you remember that, but like, do you, do you see periods

15:01SPEAKERof wakingness on there that you were not aware of at the time?

15:05SPEAKERI mean, look, my lawyers advised me not to answer this question.

15:10SPEAKERBut no, I, I don't, I don't actually look at it all that often.

15:13SPEAKEROkay.

15:14SPEAKERAnd I'm, I am an incredibly light sleeper usually.

15:17SPEAKERSo like when my wife comes to bed or when my wife gets up to go to the bathroom or like,

15:22SPEAKERlike the garbage truck, three streets over drives by or some kid blows by on a motorcycle

15:27SPEAKERat 60 miles an hour, I'm going to wake up.

15:30SPEAKERWhether I get out of bed or not, like it seems to be tied to movement.

15:34SPEAKERSo like, obviously if I get up and get out of bed, then it's going to change.

15:38SPEAKERThat also does, it's also always tracks stuff like your breathing rates and stuff like that

15:43SPEAKERwhile you're asleep, your heart rate while you're asleep, maximum maxes and mins.

15:47SPEAKERBut so the new thing is, is this score where it just says, Hey, last night you slept four

15:52SPEAKERhours and 19 minutes.

15:53SPEAKERThat's a 23 out of 50.

15:54SPEAKERThat wasn't great.

15:56SPEAKERSo like last night, I'm going to give my actual numbers here.

16:00SPEAKERI guess.

16:01SPEAKERGood job me.

16:02SPEAKERI put the iOS beta on my phone the other day so that I could do this.

16:05SPEAKERYou're welcome America.

16:06SPEAKEROh, I got a 23 out of 50 because my duration was only four hours and 19 minutes for total

16:12SPEAKERsleep.

16:12SPEAKERWait, I'm sorry.

16:13SPEAKERIs this the sleep score that you're talking about?

16:14SPEAKERThis is the sleep score.

16:15SPEAKERYeah.

16:15SPEAKEROh, so does this, this is not limited to the new watch?

16:19SPEAKERNo.

16:19SPEAKERSo this is just a feature of, of, and I actually, I don't even have the new OS on the watch.

16:25SPEAKERThis is just using the old OS on the watch on the new OS on the phone.

16:28SPEAKERThey did not make it clear that this is just rolling out to everybody.

16:31SPEAKERIt's weird how they act like things are new features for the devices that maybe are just

16:36SPEAKERfeatures for the entire line.

16:39SPEAKERI got a 30 out of 30 because my bedtime was only two minutes later than average.

16:44SPEAKERAnd I got a 20 out of 20 because I only had two interruptions to wake up.

16:47SPEAKERSo two minutes total.

16:49SPEAKERSo your sleep is just so.

16:53SPEAKERI only knocked down a 73.

16:55SPEAKERThe interesting thing is I was able to go back and pull, like, I can see my old data

16:59SPEAKERfrom previous weeks and like, I never hit excellent.

17:03SPEAKERI'm never an excellent sleeper.

17:04SPEAKERApparently my highest score is an 87 on Friday, August 1st.

17:10SPEAKERSo I guess that was a restful night for me.

17:12SPEAKERNow something to aspire to.

17:14SPEAKERYeah.

17:15SPEAKERI think it's awesome that they do this.

17:17SPEAKERI cannot go to bed and I cannot sleep with a watch on.

17:20SPEAKERSo I will never benefit from this, but it's cool.

17:22SPEAKERThey do it.

17:23SPEAKERI it's funny.

17:25SPEAKERI slept with the watch for years and years and years.

17:27SPEAKERAnd I used to have that soft stretchy wristband, the non-plastic one.

17:33SPEAKERAnd that one was fabulous for sleeping with.

17:36SPEAKERThe one I have now is a little less good, but it turns out I don't mind.

17:39SPEAKERI don't sleep with the watch every night anymore though.

17:40SPEAKERIt's like maybe twice a week.

17:42SPEAKERIt yells at me.

17:43SPEAKERYeah.

17:45SPEAKERI had the last thing real quick on the health tip before we talk about the hardware improvements.

17:49SPEAKERThis is actually from last month, but they apparently have finally settled this patent

17:54SPEAKERdispute over the blood oxygenation feature.

17:56SPEAKERRemember that they took out of, I think it was series nine and 10.

18:00SPEAKERIt's in seven and eight, nine and 10.

18:02SPEAKERI think I have an eight and it's still got the blood ox, but I forget what the ins and

18:06SPEAKERouts of it were.

18:07SPEAKERThere was some medical device company that they got into a patent dispute with.

18:11SPEAKERYeah.

18:11SPEAKERThey tried to buy a company if I recall.

18:13SPEAKERAnd then the company said, no, we don't want to get bought.

18:15SPEAKERSo they just reinvented their technology and broke their patents.

18:17SPEAKERAnd then the company sued them and it's been tied up in court.

18:20SPEAKERYeah.

18:20SPEAKERYeah.

18:20SPEAKERAnyway, so they, they have brought the blood ox feature back to all watches, I guess, that

18:25SPEAKERlasted, including this new one.

18:27SPEAKERThat's nice.

18:28SPEAKERIt's unclear how they, they, they, I think they described it as redesigned as the term

18:31SPEAKERthey use and it's unclear to me how they got around this patent issue.

18:35SPEAKERIt sounds like maybe they shunted the processing off to your phone as a way of circumventing

18:39SPEAKERthe patent.

18:40SPEAKERLike maybe, maybe the, maybe the patent was for like the wearable itself does the processing.

18:43SPEAKERSo now, now it seems like the watch reports all the data to your phone to do the blood

18:49SPEAKERox calculation.

18:50SPEAKERAh, yes.

18:50SPEAKERA loophole.

18:51SPEAKERI'm not clear if you can still just see the number on your watch, like you used to be

18:55SPEAKERable to.

18:56SPEAKERSo that might be a bit of a downgrade.

18:57SPEAKERI'm not clear, but at least it's back in some form, which is nice.

19:00SPEAKERI'll be honest.

19:01SPEAKERThe only time I've ever really used that is the first time I had COVID when I was really

19:05SPEAKERsick and my wife was trying to stay out of the room that I was in and I just shared the

19:11SPEAKERblood ox data with her so she could look at it when it, when it ran.

19:15SPEAKERAnd then, then I didn't, she didn't have to worry about it.

19:17SPEAKERAnd I didn't have to worry about it.

19:18SPEAKERIt was really good.

19:19SPEAKERThat's neat.

19:19SPEAKERThat's that's, that is a futuristic scenario that you just described.

19:23SPEAKERThat's, that's cool.

19:23SPEAKERI mean, yeah, I've not used it often for anything particularly actionable about, but hey, it

19:29SPEAKERsucks losing functionality that you used to have.

19:31SPEAKERSo it's nice that it's nice that it's back.

19:33SPEAKERSometimes I like to see how high I can make the number go.

19:35SPEAKERYeah.

19:36SPEAKERMy number, my biggest number is a hundred.

19:38SPEAKERYeah, that's turns out.

19:40SPEAKERYeah, that's about as high as you can go.

19:41SPEAKERYeah.

19:42SPEAKERCan't beat a hundred percent, I guess.

19:43SPEAKERI don't know that you can oversaturate your blood.

19:46SPEAKERSo they have three new watches.

19:48SPEAKERApple watch 11, Apple watch ultra three, Apple watch se three.

19:54SPEAKERThey kind of seem like they're all basically the same watch this go round.

19:59SPEAKERWhat do you mean?

20:00SPEAKEROr like, or they all seem very iterative on their previous incarnations.

20:03SPEAKERIf that's what you mean.

20:04SPEAKERYeah.

20:04SPEAKERWell, okay.

20:05SPEAKERSo the, the, the, another one of the overarching themes is they're putting ceramic, uh, ceramic

20:11SPEAKERshield too.

20:11SPEAKERI think they call it.

20:14SPEAKERSo has ceramic shield been term that Apple, that's there.

20:19SPEAKERThat's there.

20:19SPEAKERHey, we took the hard glass and then did some ionization business to make it harder.

20:23SPEAKERAnd now they're now, guess what, Brad?

20:25SPEAKERWhat's that even harder than it was before.

20:28SPEAKERYeah, they, they, they definitely like three different times in that presentation talk

20:33SPEAKERabout how the ceramic, the ceramic layer bonds with the glass at the atomic level.

20:38SPEAKERWell, that, that, that makes, I mean, if you're ionizing the glass or whatever I look, man,

20:42SPEAKERthey name stuff weird.

20:44SPEAKEROkay.

20:44SPEAKERYeah, they do.

20:46SPEAKERSo the thing though that I noted, I don't believe what the watch is that they didn't

20:50SPEAKERsay the word ceramic shield like they did with all the iPhone models.

20:53SPEAKERThey did.

20:54SPEAKERThey definitely talked about ceramic coating on the watch glass, but they did not actually

20:58SPEAKERuse the, they didn't use the ceramic shield term there.

21:01SPEAKERI don't think they use capital C, capital S ceramic shield around the watch, but they

21:04SPEAKERdid say, they did say they're doing the ceramic layer on the watch now.

21:08SPEAKERAnd they said, they said the new watch glass is two times as scratch resistant as the 10

21:12SPEAKERwas, which is good for me because my eight is scratched to hell.

21:15SPEAKERYeah.

21:15SPEAKERI mean, they get, they get scratched and there's not really a way you can put a screen protector

21:19SPEAKERon because of the curved nature of the.

21:21SPEAKERYeah.

21:21SPEAKERI wouldn't want to anyway, honestly.

21:24SPEAKERLook, I don't mind a little bit of a screen protector, but but yeah.

21:28SPEAKERSo yeah, you're right. There is no ceramic shield mentioned on the Apple watch page.

21:31SPEAKERI don't know if that's actually notable, but it kind of jumped out to me and I liked it.

21:35SPEAKERYou know, if the two X number can be believed, that seems pretty good.

21:38SPEAKERCause like I said, mine, my three year old watch is pretty dinged up at this point.

21:43SPEAKERI mean, they look, it takes a beating mine.

21:45SPEAKERI'm on a watch that I think is a year older than yours.

21:48SPEAKERAnd I'm, this is the first one I've looked at and thought, oh, maybe I should upgrade,

21:51SPEAKERbut I think I'm going to go another.

21:52SPEAKERI think I'm going to, I think I'm going to ride this one down until they stop doing updates

21:56SPEAKERfor it.

21:56SPEAKERAnd then I'll buy another one.

21:57SPEAKERThat's valid.

21:58SPEAKERThe thing for me is that last year it got thinner and a bigger screen.

22:02SPEAKERYeah.

22:02SPEAKERAnd so like thinner, bigger screen, way more scratch resistant.

22:07SPEAKERAnd the other one is that they are now claiming 24 hours of battery life instead of 18.

22:12SPEAKERYeah.

22:12SPEAKERLike all of those together is like pretty compelling to me.

22:16SPEAKERSo it's, it's funny because mine has almost always given me 24 hours of battery.

22:21SPEAKERLike I often will put mine in, I guess with the, with the fast charge,

22:26SPEAKERmy use is that usually when I'm in the shower, I put it on the charger when I'm wearing it

22:29SPEAKERaround the clock.

22:30SPEAKEROh, sure.

22:30SPEAKERAnd that's usually enough to get me where I need to be.

22:32SPEAKERYeah.

22:32SPEAKERIt's, it's not, battery life's not a huge problem for me.

22:35SPEAKERI have gotten to the point where I'm, if I have like a long exercise day, like if I'm

22:39SPEAKERout for like an hour and I listen to podcasts straight off the watch, which is like Bluetooth

22:44SPEAKERaudio and it's doing position tracking and exercise tracking and stuff.

22:49SPEAKERLike I, I'm definitely having days where I'm below 10% by the time I put it back on the

22:53SPEAKERcharger.

22:53SPEAKERIf on days that I go on long walks and actually hit the button that says, Hey, do you want

22:58SPEAKERto record an outdoor walk?

22:59SPEAKERAnd it does heart rate and all that while I'm exercising.

23:02SPEAKERIt's a, it's you're, you're absolutely right.

23:04SPEAKERThat's what that definitely hits him more.

23:05SPEAKERSo having a little extra buffer would be nice.

23:07SPEAKERI mean, it's not a deal breaker, but like all of these improvements together are maybe

23:11SPEAKERenough for me to, cause I use the watch constantly.

23:13SPEAKERI really it's like kind of core to my daily operation.

23:17SPEAKERIt's funny because for me, it's just a thing that buzzes when I need to look at the phone

23:20SPEAKERmost of the time.

23:21SPEAKERThat's actually like my least favorite feature of the watch.

23:26SPEAKERI've actually thought about moving all notifications back to the phone, but well, I mean, look,

23:31SPEAKERlook, it's it's it's mostly when I'm out, like if I'm in the PC world officer in the

23:36SPEAKERstudio or something, I have it set so that it pings when my wife or daughter texts me

23:40SPEAKERpretty much.

23:41SPEAKERAnd that's it.

23:42SPEAKERAnd and I don't miss those anymore, which is nice.

23:45SPEAKERLet's see.

23:45SPEAKERThey also added a new modem, which they're saying is more efficient, gives better

23:51SPEAKERcoverage on the cellular models.

23:53SPEAKERIs this the first time it's had 5g?

23:55SPEAKERThey kind of made it sound that way.

23:57SPEAKERI think so.

23:58SPEAKERI don't, I don't, I don't know that it matters for the watch.

24:01SPEAKERWell, it only matters in so far as like, that's what's more, maybe more available now.

24:05SPEAKERWell, I guess LTE is probably going to be with us for quite a while as a fallback, but

24:10SPEAKERlike it's to me, it's more about like what has better signal coverage?

24:14SPEAKERLike what are you going to get a better experience with as opposed to like raw speed?

24:19SPEAKERYeah.

24:20SPEAKERA hundred, a hundred percent.

24:23SPEAKERIt's interesting.

24:24SPEAKERThey didn't talk about using, so they developed their own modem this spring.

24:27SPEAKERAnd as far as I know, this is, they didn't say that this is their modem.

24:30SPEAKERThis is still somebody else's modem.

24:34SPEAKERI assume it's Qualcomm.

24:35SPEAKERYeah.

24:35SPEAKERIt's going to have to be a different design in a package.

24:38SPEAKERThe small, obviously, than what's in the phone.

24:40SPEAKERWell, maybe.

24:42SPEAKERBut yeah, I would assume that at some point in the future, all of the cellular modems

24:46SPEAKERwill be Apple designed across their entire product line.

24:49SPEAKERAbsolutely.

24:50SPEAKERSure.

24:50SPEAKERThey are moving in that direction for the watches as well.

24:53SPEAKERThere's two finishes, aluminum and titanium.

24:56SPEAKERThe aluminum is in black, silver, rose gold and gray.

25:00SPEAKERYeah.

25:01SPEAKERThe titanium is natural golden slate and they're not the shiny titanium.

25:05SPEAKERThey're the, they're the kind of natural finished titanium, like the iPhone 15 and 16.

25:10SPEAKERWhat is, is titanium harder than aluminum?

25:12SPEAKERWhat's the advantage?

25:13SPEAKERTitanium is harder and lighter and it doesn't bend very much.

25:17SPEAKERIt's very, very, uh, uh, it has high tensile strength.

25:21SPEAKERI think is what that's called.

25:22SPEAKERI can't remember.

25:23SPEAKERApple watch three is 800.

25:26SPEAKERSorry.

25:26SPEAKERThat starts at 400 bucks and goes out three ultra three.

25:29SPEAKERYeah.

25:30SPEAKERUm, 800 bucks.

25:32SPEAKERIt's the same big flat screen as the last one.

25:34SPEAKERIt looks like it's a little bit thinner.

25:36SPEAKERThey say it's bigger and brighter.

25:38SPEAKERIt has satellite connectivity that you can send messages with now if you have a cellular

25:42SPEAKERplan, which is kind of nice.

25:43SPEAKERYeah.

25:43SPEAKERThat's been on the phone for a while, right?

25:46SPEAKERYeah.

25:46SPEAKERBut I think this is the first time it's been on the watch alone and it's up to 42 hours

25:50SPEAKERof battery now.

25:51SPEAKEROther than that, it seems kind of the same.

25:52SPEAKERThat's 42 hours of battery is kind of crazy, but I mean, most people don't need that.

25:57SPEAKERBut that's 42 hours in like full power mode.

25:59SPEAKERIf you put it in low power mode, it goes even longer.

26:00SPEAKEROh wow.

26:01SPEAKERYeah.

26:02SPEAKERSo that's, I mean, that, that thing feels like it's actually made for people who are

26:05SPEAKERdoing straight up outdoor adventuring type stuff.

26:08SPEAKEROr people who work in technology.

26:11SPEAKERBrad, you know, I see a lot of them just walking around San Francisco.

26:14SPEAKERI get it.

26:14SPEAKERI, I continue to really like the flat screen on that thing.

26:19SPEAKERYeah.

26:19SPEAKERAnd I, and I much less like the grotesque size of it.

26:23SPEAKERThe flat screen is the big draw for me.

26:26SPEAKERAnd I even less like the grotesque size of the price.

26:29SPEAKERLike I wish, I wish I could get, I wish I could get the price and general size of these

26:35SPEAKERstandard like series 11, but with a flat, not the, I mean, I don't mind the, like the

26:39SPEAKERbubble shape glass too much, but I, I kind of like the flat.

26:43SPEAKERWell, the flight glass, you could actually put a screen protector on so it doesn't get

26:46SPEAKERgouged up.

26:47SPEAKERYeah.

26:48SPEAKERThe thing that's interesting.

26:49SPEAKERSo this is basically right at the price that the old watches were when they had the stainless

26:55SPEAKERcases.

26:56SPEAKERRight.

26:56SPEAKEROkay.

26:56SPEAKERSo like to me, this makes a lot more sense than buying the titanium finish normal Apple

27:04SPEAKERwatch, I think.

27:05SPEAKERSure.

27:06SPEAKERBecause you do get that extra battery life and the satellite stuff.

27:08SPEAKERAnd like, if you want to go scuba diving, you can do that.

27:11SPEAKERWhatever it's just too big for me, I think.

27:14SPEAKERYeah.

27:14SPEAKERI have dainty girl risks, so I'm not going to probably wear a watch that big.

27:19SPEAKERApple watch se three starts at 250 bucks.

27:23SPEAKERSeems like pretty big upgrade here.

27:24SPEAKERThat's got the same chip as the other two now.

27:26SPEAKERYeah.

27:26SPEAKERSo this is, I want to say they do this every three years.

27:29SPEAKERIt seems like now maybe four years.

27:30SPEAKERCause my daughter got an se two the year that we got one of those for her the year it came

27:35SPEAKERout.

27:37SPEAKERAnd yeah, it's an S 10 chip always on screen.

27:40SPEAKERFinally, for that, the old ones didn't have an always on screen battery life was kind

27:44SPEAKERof always a problem on it.

27:46SPEAKERIt has all the gestures that the newer watches have now, which it hasn't had recently.

27:50SPEAKERAnd it gets the sleep apnea and sleep score and temperature sensing and fall detection

27:54SPEAKERand all the stuff that's on the newer model Apple watches.

27:56SPEAKERIt's carried forward into the 11 and the ultra three.

27:59SPEAKERDoes it, does it have all the health stuff?

28:00SPEAKERLike the hypertension, probably not.

28:05SPEAKERThey didn't say anything about the hypertension.

28:06SPEAKERI think it has the stuff.

28:08SPEAKERI think it's basically the last year stuff, not this year stuff because sleep apnea was

28:12SPEAKERthe last year thing.

28:13SPEAKERI believe sure.

28:14SPEAKER18 hour battery life.

28:15SPEAKERIt has fast charging now, which is the big deal.

28:17SPEAKERThe old one was a slow charger, like the Apple series one and newer and newer charger speed.

28:23SPEAKERSo it took like two hours to charge overnight.

28:26SPEAKERThe fast charging means you get like eight hours and 15 minutes, which is nice.

28:30SPEAKERAnd it comes in starlight and midnight, which I guess are dark and light versions.

28:35SPEAKERI don't know.

28:35SPEAKERI don't think you can get a cell modem with that either.

28:37SPEAKERThat's the big, that's the big differentiator.

28:40SPEAKERGot it.

28:42SPEAKERAnd, and as always, it's like the small one is 250 and the big one is a hundred bucks

28:46SPEAKERmore, I believe.

28:47SPEAKERSo, so that's it.

28:48SPEAKERThat's watches.

28:49SPEAKERThey're like, I don't know.

28:52SPEAKERI, the, the, I was, I was hoping the blood pressure was going to be more thinner, better,

28:59SPEAKERsmaller, whatever.

29:00SPEAKERSeems fine.

29:01SPEAKERIf you don't have a watch, get a watch.

29:02SPEAKERIf you, if you don't want to watch, that's fine.

29:04SPEAKERSeems like a good time to get in.

29:05SPEAKERIf you don't have, I'm, I'm, I'm on the fence.

29:07SPEAKERI might get this one or I might try to squeeze one more year out, but this, this feels like

29:12SPEAKERa good solid all around upgrade.

29:14SPEAKERYeah.

29:14SPEAKERIt's not bad.

29:15SPEAKERAirPod pro three.

29:16SPEAKERThis is my favorite Apple product.

29:18SPEAKERI think right now, pretty, pretty, pretty wide margin.

29:21SPEAKERThey're saying that the audio sounds better, which they do every time I'll let you know

29:25SPEAKERwhen I get a pair and I'll tell you how they actually sound.

29:28SPEAKERYou don't say our sound producing device has better sound this time.

29:31SPEAKERThe big claim is that they're say they're active noise canceling is two, two times better

29:35SPEAKERthan the pro two, which is already kind of remarkable.

29:39SPEAKERLike the pro two.

29:41SPEAKERI don't, I'm afraid to use the noise canceling when I'm like out in public for fear that

29:46SPEAKERI won't hear a bus or something coming up on me.

29:48SPEAKERWow.

29:48SPEAKERIt's really good at filtering background stuff.

29:53SPEAKERThe transparency mode is incredible on those.

29:56SPEAKERIt doesn't sound like you have headphones in that are piping things through.

29:59SPEAKERIt just sounds like what's outside.

30:01SPEAKERThe big change on that is that you're getting your own voice now through that as well.

30:05SPEAKERSo it should be, my guess is it's going to be indistinguishable from not having AirPods

30:10SPEAKERin.

30:10SPEAKERWait, what does the transparency filter or like, how does it determine what the lead

30:16SPEAKERthrough and whatnot?

30:16SPEAKERSo there's three modes, right?

30:18SPEAKERTransparency is, it works like your ears don't have anything in them.

30:22SPEAKERIt's letting everything through.

30:23SPEAKERIt lets everything through.

30:24SPEAKERI think, I think it'll reduce volume.

30:26SPEAKERYou can set it to reduce volume of loud sounds.

30:28SPEAKERIf you don't want to get hearing damage.

30:30SPEAKERThere's the noise canceling, which is the don't let anything through, right?

30:33SPEAKERAnd that means it's hard to hear people talking to you.

30:36SPEAKERI sometimes, if I'm having trouble, if I want to take a nap and the house is loud, I'll

30:39SPEAKERput those in in the afternoon and then people have to come touch me because they can't

30:43SPEAKERtalk to me from the door basically.

30:45SPEAKERAnd then the third one is the adaptive mode, which kind of splits the difference and it

30:50SPEAKERuses some processing on the device to decide what to let through and what to filter.

30:54SPEAKERSo like traffic noise, water, water running, wind noise, stuff like that gets filtered

31:02SPEAKERout.

31:03SPEAKERBut the, but the, it detects voices and sends them through.

31:08SPEAKERThe active noise canceling is, I, so I might, I might also, I've been waiting on a third

31:12SPEAKERgen pod pro to buy in and the active noise canceling is like the reason I want them.

31:19SPEAKERI think basically I'm still using corded Bose noise canceling headphones on flights.

31:24SPEAKERAnd I think my last trip, I finally reached the end of my patients for corded headphones

31:29SPEAKERon a flight.

31:30SPEAKERSo I, yeah, I bought a pair of the twos four years ago, I think when they, when they were,

31:35SPEAKERwhen they came, like I bought them the day they came out cause I'd been waiting and the

31:41SPEAKERANC is as good as anything.

31:42SPEAKERLike it's as good as the best Sony stuff I've ever heard.

31:45SPEAKEROkay.

31:45SPEAKERThat's, that's a strong endorsement.

31:46SPEAKERI wouldn't have minded maybe a little bit of indication of what their methodology was

31:51SPEAKERfor saying, Hey, it's two X better noise canceling than the pro two it's four X better than the

31:55SPEAKERpro one, like maybe some metrics to help underpin that termination would have been nice, but

32:00SPEAKERwhatever.

32:01SPEAKERIt's well, and also it's weird because when those aren't like, there's no zero point on

32:07SPEAKERthose, on those, on those bars, right?

32:10SPEAKERLike there's no, there's no, I guess there's a hundred percent noise reduction and you

32:15SPEAKERcan get closer to that bar.

32:16SPEAKERSo each time you get closer, it's going to be a smaller, each two X will be a smaller

32:22SPEAKERreduction in noise.

32:23SPEAKERBut I, anyway they're apparently, they're designed to fit in your ears better, which

32:28SPEAKERis nice.

32:29SPEAKERI use foam tips on mine instead of the ones, the, the latex ones that they come with or

32:35SPEAKERsilicone ones that they come with because the silicone ones irritate my skin and the

32:38SPEAKERfoam ones don't.

32:41SPEAKERThey've they talked about a lot live translation, which is, which people have Samsung and Google

32:46SPEAKERhave both taken a stab at this now.

32:47SPEAKERAnd both of them were kind of duds by all reports.

32:50SPEAKEROkay.

32:51SPEAKERBut the idea is that it filters down the other person's actual voice and you hear a translation

32:58SPEAKERin your language, in your ears moments after they say the thing that they're saying.

33:06SPEAKERYou can also pair it with your phone so that you can say things back to the person and

33:09SPEAKERthey'll hear that they'll either get a written or spoken description of your, of what you're

33:14SPEAKERsaying to them.

33:16SPEAKERAnd then they did a, they had one part of the video that showed people doing a back

33:20SPEAKERand forth chat where everybody involved was wearing AirPod Pros and they were all hearing

33:24SPEAKERone guy was speaking Portuguese and the other guy was speaking in English and everybody

33:28SPEAKERwas able to hear everybody in their own language.

33:31SPEAKERAnd it was magical.

33:32SPEAKERYeah.

33:33SPEAKERKind of getting into like the Star Trek universal translator territory.

33:36SPEAKERKind of, I mean, I don't, I don't believe for a second that this works as seamlessly

33:41SPEAKERas that or, yeah, this, this sounds like a, you know, like you said, kind of a first

33:45SPEAKERgen attempt at something like this.

33:48SPEAKERAnd you know, it's probably going to be maybe on the AirPod Pro 5 or something is when this

33:54SPEAKERwill really reach maturity and be like seamlessly usable.

33:56SPEAKERBut you know, it's, it's an interesting idea.

33:58SPEAKERWell, my guess is that it uses the AI acceleration stuff, the neural processing stuff on the

34:04SPEAKERphone.

34:04SPEAKERThis isn't actually obviously happening on the earbud itself.

34:07SPEAKERThere's no way.

34:09SPEAKERWell, I mean, there, there are ways, but like, I don't, I don't think we're there yet.

34:13SPEAKERAnd I guess what I mean is I don't, I don't think there's any way they could do it on

34:16SPEAKERthe, the, the earbuds in a way that would be acceptable.

34:19SPEAKERLike, I'm sure you could probably do some version of this.

34:22SPEAKERIt would just be slow and crappy.

34:23SPEAKERYeah, but that's what I mean.

34:24SPEAKERLike to kind of achieve the experience that Apple's probably going for.

34:27SPEAKERI'm sure that stuff's going through the phone.

34:30SPEAKERI'm so anyway, I'm curious about, I'm curious about how this works in practice.

34:35SPEAKERI'm, I'm coloring me skeptical here.

34:38SPEAKERYeah.

34:39SPEAKERThey made them smaller.

34:39SPEAKERThey fit in your ears better.

34:41SPEAKERThere's new sensors on them, including oh, and, and this is one of my favorite topics

34:48SPEAKERthat people don't ever think about.

34:50SPEAKERIf you design products that fit like the 90th percentile of people, like the 90 most common,

34:55SPEAKERlike the most common body shapes and you cut off, you know, 800 million people or something,

35:02SPEAKERthey're adding, they're shipping with more tips and design the

35:06SPEAKERAirPods to fit in more people's ears more effectively.

35:09SPEAKERI, and they said it was based on 3d scans of people's ears, which is one of the things

35:13SPEAKERyou do when you set up the ANC and transparency mode for the phone, if you want it to work

35:19SPEAKERwell.

35:20SPEAKERSo you aim your depth camera at the side of your head with your, when you're, when you're

35:24SPEAKERsetting them up and it makes a picture of your ear and then changes the way it models

35:28SPEAKERthe sound a little bit for that.

35:31SPEAKERBut the shipping with five tips is nice.

35:33SPEAKERCause if you have, if you want your kids to be able to use these, or if you want, if you

35:37SPEAKERhave big ear holes, I guess you need bigger and or smaller ear tips.

35:42SPEAKERAnd it's IP 57 sweat and water resistance, which means don't go in the pool with them.

35:45SPEAKERBut if it rains, you're fine.

35:47SPEAKERIs that new?

35:49SPEAKEROn this generation, that's new.

35:50SPEAKERThey had a lesser version of the water resistance on the previous one.

35:53SPEAKERSo IP 48, I think, but I'm not, don't quote me on that.

35:55SPEAKERThat's that's like maybe my one reservation for getting these is, I don't know that I

36:00SPEAKERwould ever use these for working out.

36:01SPEAKERI would probably stick to my like $30 sound cores that are perfectly fine.

36:06SPEAKERWell, so I would say so I paid for Apple, Apple care on the AirPods last time, mainly

36:15SPEAKERbecause the batteries get the, I was worried that the batteries were going to conk out

36:20SPEAKERin the ear pods.

36:21SPEAKERThey do a good job managing battery with them, doing the slow charge past 80% and only charging

36:26SPEAKERwhen you need and all that stuff.

36:29SPEAKERI had problems getting one of the AirPods to charge when I went to the, when I was getting

36:36SPEAKERnear the end of my Apple care period.

36:39SPEAKERAnd so I went to the Apple store and they just gave me a brand new one.

36:41SPEAKERI would go to, I would, I would, if you're going to work out, I would pay for Apple care.

36:44SPEAKERIf you're not, I probably wouldn't.

36:46SPEAKERSo I was going to say it's like $2 a month or something for Apple care on these.

36:51SPEAKERHow long does that last?

36:52SPEAKERIs that two years?

36:53SPEAKERTwo years.

36:54SPEAKERIt was basically the, when I got them, I got them for 50 bucks off and then paid an additional

36:58SPEAKER50 bucks for Apple care, which meant that I got a free pair at the end of the end of

37:01SPEAKERthe two year period.

37:02SPEAKERThat's a pretty good deal.

37:03SPEAKERThese would probably be for flights and when going around town, probably not for exercise

37:07SPEAKERfor me.

37:09SPEAKERI'm going to go ahead and tell you, I use them a lot in the house, hooked up to the

37:12SPEAKERApple TV when I don't want to make noise and I'm watching TV, which works well.

37:17SPEAKERI'd probably wear them.

37:18SPEAKERI listened to a lot of podcasts around the house doing chores and stuff.

37:21SPEAKERProbably wear them for that too.

37:22SPEAKERAnyway, podcasts, eh?

37:24SPEAKERKeep keeping them clean and nice, you know, for a pair of earbuds this nice, I would want

37:28SPEAKERto keep them in good shape.

37:29SPEAKERBut yeah, see, I use them until they explode.

37:32SPEAKERI mean, I've read the AirPod press twos down probably for what it's worth.

37:37SPEAKERHeart rate sensing is neat.

37:39SPEAKERIt seems like they, this is all new, right?

37:41SPEAKERIt seems like they basically made this so that you don't need a watch or a phone on

37:45SPEAKERyou to do the basic fitness tracking anymore.

37:48SPEAKERWell, I mean, you still need a watch to do some of the fitness tracking, but you don't

37:52SPEAKERneed a watch to do heart rate sensing.

37:54SPEAKERThe heart rate sensing works through.

37:56SPEAKERThere's a sensor that touches the skin inside your ears and it works basically the same

38:00SPEAKERway as the Apple Watch version.

38:03SPEAKERThe interesting thing is like the Apple Watch one, you have to be kind of still for it to

38:08SPEAKERwork because like if you bounce your wrist around too much, it stops working.

38:11SPEAKERApparently these AirPods are pretty secure in your ears because like I would guess that

38:16SPEAKERthey don't move.

38:16SPEAKERThey're not super heavy.

38:17SPEAKERI don't know.

38:18SPEAKERI'm curious to see how that works.

38:19SPEAKERYeah.

38:19SPEAKERThe watch sensing is a bit of a problem for me when I exercise because I have to tighten

38:23SPEAKERthe band.

38:24SPEAKERLike you said, like I like to keep it a little bit loose around the house where it kind of

38:27SPEAKERslides a little bit, but then it can't read anything if I keep it like that when I'm out

38:31SPEAKERmoving around.

38:31SPEAKERSo I have to, I have to tighten it basically to the point that my wrist gets incredibly

38:36SPEAKERsweaty with the, um, I have the, what do they call it, sport loop.

38:40SPEAKERIt's the, it's like, it's the solid silicone one that like doesn't breathe at all.

38:45SPEAKERSo my wrist is just like extremely gross and sweaty by the time I get back.

38:49SPEAKERSo I'm getting one of the Velcro nylon loops next time.

38:52SPEAKERYeah.

38:52SPEAKERSo anyway, um, nice to, nice to have this.

38:56SPEAKERI'm trying to like figure out the use case here though.

38:58SPEAKERLike putting all this exercise sensing stuff in the earbuds is cool, but what's the point

39:05SPEAKERof having earbuds if you don't have another device on you anyway to play audio from,

39:10SPEAKERyou know?

39:10SPEAKERWell, I think a lot of people do phones and don't, don't have a watch.

39:13SPEAKERYeah, maybe so.

39:14SPEAKERYeah.

39:14SPEAKERI mean, I think, I think they're, my guess is that they have some pretty strong data

39:18SPEAKERthat getting people into the Apple fitness ecosystem makes them customers for life.

39:21SPEAKERUh huh.

39:22SPEAKERTherefore more entry points into the Apple fitness ecosystem equals more customers for life.

39:27SPEAKERNow this makes perfect sense.

39:29SPEAKERUm, the battery's better on these.

39:31SPEAKERIt's eight hours on a single charge versus I think six previously for the AirPods themselves.

39:36SPEAKERIs that like eight hour hours of playback?

39:38SPEAKERThat's eight hours of playback on the air, on the air.

39:41SPEAKERSo the, the, for folks who don't know the AirPods, the case has a battery and the each

39:45SPEAKERindividual AirPod has a battery that's eight hours on the, on the pods.

39:50SPEAKERYou plug it back into the mothership to get, to refill that.

39:53SPEAKERAnd that usually takes like 15 minutes or something.

39:55SPEAKERIt's really fast.

39:55SPEAKERI think that's everything now.

39:57SPEAKERLike I've got, I've got multiple sets of earbuds, like cheaper ones, like from multiple

40:03SPEAKERsources.

40:03SPEAKERAnd like they all, like everybody has just adopted the Apple style of the cases, the

40:07SPEAKERbattery.

40:09SPEAKERAnd it turns out getting rid of the connection ports on the, using inductive charges, getting

40:14SPEAKERrid of the connection ports is a good way to keep them from getting ruined when they

40:17SPEAKERget wet.

40:17SPEAKERIt turns out.

40:20SPEAKERThe 10 hours of transparency mode, which it's interesting.

40:23SPEAKERCause like when I went to see that Taylor Swift concert and I wanted to not blow my

40:26SPEAKERears out, I just put the AirPods in and put it in the, in the adaptive mode and it let

40:32SPEAKERthe music through in it.

40:33SPEAKERAnd it muffled the sound enough that I wasn't able to like, I didn't have ringing ears

40:38SPEAKERand I could still talk to people around me.

40:39SPEAKERYeah, that's cool.

40:41SPEAKERWe don't have it in the notes, but they mentioned the hearing aid aspect of these as well.

40:45SPEAKERAnd like the battery is better there as well.

40:47SPEAKERThat's the transparency mode stuff.

40:48SPEAKERYeah, there's no, there's no there's no changes to the hearing aid stuff for this model versus

40:54SPEAKERthe previous one.

40:54SPEAKERSo if you're using the previous ones, the only difference is the battery life improvement.

41:00SPEAKERAnd they did talk about a conversation mode change and then didn't reference it again.

41:03SPEAKERSo I don't know what that was about.

41:04SPEAKERI couldn't find anything, any follow up about that.

41:08SPEAKERBut the conversation mode is, is the thing that focuses it.

41:13SPEAKERIt's an adaptive thing that brings human voices to the forefront.

41:17SPEAKERSo like if you like, I have trouble picking out people's noises in people's voices, rather

41:22SPEAKERin environments that have a lot of background hubbub, especially if their voices are in

41:26SPEAKERcertain ranges.

41:27SPEAKERAnd this, this uses the adaptive mode to help with that.

41:31SPEAKERYeah, I think I'm in for these.

41:33SPEAKEROf all the products in this announcement, like I might, I might upgrade my watch.

41:37SPEAKERI might not, but I don't have like nice high quality earbuds.

41:40SPEAKERMine are all pretty crappy.

41:41SPEAKERYou've been AirPod curious for a while.

41:43SPEAKERIt's time.

41:43SPEAKERAnd so here's the other thing, and hopefully we'll get some testing data when these come

41:49SPEAKERout on this, but I would assume the AirPods 2 also are perfectly adequate for this.

41:55SPEAKERIt's Switch 2.

41:56SPEAKERThat's the other thing or Switch, because the other reason I've clung to my accorded

42:00SPEAKERnoise canceling headphones is that the Switch 1 has pretty crappy Bluetooth audio support.

42:05SPEAKERYeah.

42:05SPEAKERAnd it was nice to just plug headphones straight into that thing and not have latency and stuff.

42:09SPEAKERBut if, if the Switch 2 works well with these, without any real appreciable latency, I am

42:14SPEAKERa hundred percent in because that was kind of my last, that was my last holdout on nice

42:18SPEAKERearbuds.

42:19SPEAKERSo I think I've used the Pro 2s with the Switch 2.

42:23SPEAKERThe, the one thing you should know about the, the AirPod Pros is because they use their

42:29SPEAKERlike semi proprietary layer on top of Bluetooth.

42:33SPEAKERIf you start using them with non Apple devices, then it's a little more fiddly to connect

42:40SPEAKERthem.

42:41SPEAKERLike if you, if you move from your iPad to your phone, to your TV, to your Mac, and you're

42:47SPEAKERall in the Mac ecosystem, it just goes to whichever device you're using and you don't

42:51SPEAKERhave to think about it.

42:51SPEAKERYou don't have to do anything.

42:52SPEAKERYeah.

42:53SPEAKERIt's really nice.

42:53SPEAKEROh my God.

42:54SPEAKERAre you serious?

42:54SPEAKERCause I have to, my, my little sound cores, I have to, depending on if I want to listen

42:58SPEAKERoff the watch or the phone, that's like, takes some very annoying fiddling in the settings.

43:03SPEAKERSo that's rad.

43:04SPEAKERYeah.

43:04SPEAKERSo like you just hit the airplay button and pick the AirPods out of the list, including

43:10SPEAKERon the TV.

43:11SPEAKERLike this is what, this is one of the, this is what I love about the Apple TV.

43:13SPEAKERSo I've often up at like, I wake up early in the morning and I often want to watch like

43:16SPEAKERTV that Gina is not interested in watching or the kiddo is not interested in watching.

43:20SPEAKERAnd so I'll load it up in the living room, put the AirPods in, get the full positional

43:24SPEAKERsound and like, I don't make any noise and wake up anybody in the house, which is awesome.

43:30SPEAKERYeah.

43:30SPEAKEROld guy problems.

43:32SPEAKERAnyway, whatever I can, I can handle some, a little bit of paring fiddliness with the

43:36SPEAKERswitch if it works well.

43:37SPEAKERWhat I was going to say is you should actually look for that in reviews.

43:40SPEAKERCause they, they have their history of supporting non-Apple products is janky.

43:44SPEAKERUsually they're good on PCs and phones.

43:47SPEAKERFor whatever reason, I could never get my, my AirPod pros to work right with the steam

43:51SPEAKERdeck.

43:53SPEAKERLike they just don't want to pair with the Bluetooth and the steam deck, which is entirely

43:57SPEAKERpossible.

43:57SPEAKERIt's a weird Linux thing on the steam deck side, but anyway, stuff to know about.

44:01SPEAKEROkay.

44:01SPEAKERI'll keep an eye on that.

44:02SPEAKERI'm sure it, you know, it will take any time for people on Reddit to talk about how it

44:05SPEAKERworks.

44:06SPEAKERYeah.

44:07SPEAKEROkay.

44:07SPEAKERSo phones, three phones this year.

44:12SPEAKERThere's an iPod iPhone.

44:15SPEAKERThere's an iPhone.

44:16SPEAKERThere's an no iPod.

44:17SPEAKERSadly, there's an iPhone, there's an iPhone pro with a max version that's the bigger one.

44:24SPEAKERAnd there's a new one, an iPhone air, which is like a skinny iPhone.

44:28SPEAKERYeah.

44:28SPEAKERWhich has been rumored for like months, if not years at this point.

44:32SPEAKERBut here it is.

44:33SPEAKERYeah.

44:33SPEAKERI think one of the, one of the tech tubers I, I follow, I was watching their coverage

44:38SPEAKERof this.

44:38SPEAKERThat was there was like, yeah, this looks like half of a full of a, of a foldable iPhone.

44:44SPEAKERIf you're, if you're asking me and I was like, oh wow, okay, here we are.

44:48SPEAKEROkay.

44:48SPEAKERSo we're going to run through these pretty quick.

44:50SPEAKERBasically everything has the a 19 processor.

44:54SPEAKERThe pro has a pro version.

44:56SPEAKERThe air has a pro version.

44:58SPEAKERBoth.

44:58SPEAKERSo really it's just the base 17 is the only one that has the non-pro.

45:03SPEAKERYeah.

45:03SPEAKERAnd the only difference is that the pro has six cores on the, on the iPhone pro, six GPU

45:09SPEAKERcores and the iPhone the 19 pro on the air, I think only has five and the, and the a 19 on the iPhone also only has five cores on the GPU.

45:20SPEAKERSeem like they all have the same CPU cores though.

45:23SPEAKERIt's four, it's six cores, two bigs and four littles, which they've been doing for a long time.

45:27SPEAKERThey didn't talk about Ram in the keynote.

45:29SPEAKERI don't know if they posted Ram specs, but the rumor I heard is that there's more Ram

45:32SPEAKERand all of these, which makes sense for AI stuff.

45:37SPEAKERSo I'd like the TLDR here is that I think that the stock, the base iPhone, these, this

45:42SPEAKERis a huge winner this year because it gets a bunch of previously pro features that they

45:48SPEAKERhaven't put on this before.

45:49SPEAKERYeah, I will, we'll address the E model situation at the end, but I had kind of, I've been on

45:54SPEAKERan SE and kind of, cause I just don't need much in a phone.

45:58SPEAKERAnd I had been thinking, you know, when I'm done with this, I'll move to the, one of these

46:01SPEAKERnew E budget models.

46:03SPEAKERBut then I took a look at this thing, A, the E, the 16E that came out earlier this year

46:07SPEAKERis kind of expensive for a quote unquote budget phone.

46:10SPEAKERYeah.

46:11SPEAKERBut also this base 17 has gotten so much stuff that wasn't the pro.

46:16SPEAKERThat's it.

46:17SPEAKERThat it's actually starting to feel silly.

46:19SPEAKERMaybe it's only an extra like $200 for way more functionality in the camera and the screen

46:25SPEAKERon and on.

46:26SPEAKERLike it's this, this base model is like shockingly kind of generous.

46:29SPEAKERI feel like by Apple standards.

46:31SPEAKERYeah, I kind of felt like that too.

46:32SPEAKERSo other thing is across the line, everything starts at 256 gigabytes now, which is, I think

46:38SPEAKERthat feels like the right amount of storage for this.

46:40SPEAKERYeah.

46:41SPEAKERSo a 256 gig, that's what I have now, but 256 base is, is like pretty generous unless

46:47SPEAKERyou're shooting like tons of video or whatever.

46:49SPEAKERI feel like.

46:49SPEAKERI think this is maybe the first time they've ever had a base model phone that I wasn't

46:53SPEAKERlike, Oh man, that's too small.

46:54SPEAKERYeah.

46:55SPEAKERYes.

46:55SPEAKERThat's absolutely every single time prior.

46:57SPEAKERIt's been like, I don't feel great buying the base storage.

47:02SPEAKERSo just to close the loop on the storage stuff though, it seems like there's only one upgrade

47:07SPEAKERoption on those iPhone.

47:08SPEAKERYeah.

47:09SPEAKERThe regular iPhone is from 256 to 512.

47:12SPEAKERAnd that is a $200 upgrade.

47:14SPEAKERWhich then puts you in iPhone air and iPhone prime territory.

47:18SPEAKERBut it used to, it used to only be a hundred dollars for the first storage upgrade.

47:21SPEAKERSo they have not, they've, they've eliminated that option.

47:24SPEAKERWell, look, you go out and buy a, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I used to always hate this

47:29SPEAKERargument because it's kind of specious I thought, but like a 200 to five, the difference in

47:36SPEAKERprice between a 256 and a 512 gig SSD, which is essentially what we're talking about here

47:41SPEAKERis not a hundred.

47:42SPEAKERIt's not 200 bucks.

47:43SPEAKERThe storage upgrade pricing has always felt like a very high, high margin situation.

47:48SPEAKERBut of course, cause it's Apple.

47:50SPEAKERAlso worth mentioning when you trade the phones back in, they don't ask you what, what, how

47:55SPEAKERmuch capacity you have.

47:56SPEAKERIt's just as the, what model is this and is it is in good condition or bad condition?

48:00SPEAKERYou don't say, although it's interesting though, between this base storage upgrade.

48:03SPEAKERAnd I don't know if you've seen all the, at least MacBook pros.

48:07SPEAKERI'm not sure about errors, but at least the new MacBook pros all started 24 gig now.

48:11SPEAKEROh, that's that's Ram?

48:13SPEAKERYes.

48:14SPEAKERI think they started 24.

48:16SPEAKERThey have a 24 gig option now, like the point being better.

48:19SPEAKERYeah.

48:19SPEAKERYes.

48:20SPEAKERThat's what I mean is like the, I feel like the, the insultingly small Ram and storage

48:24SPEAKERbase baseline specs that Apple has been kind of notorious for, feels like it's maybe softening

48:30SPEAKERa little bit.

48:31SPEAKERThat's good.

48:33SPEAKERSo there's no big version of this.

48:35SPEAKERThey haven't done that in a couple of years.

48:36SPEAKERApparently I didn't realize that it seemed like the 15 was the last plus model.

48:40SPEAKERYeah, it makes sense.

48:42SPEAKERThe display gets the 120 Hertz adaptive refresh rate screen.

48:45SPEAKERThis is the one for me, like this is the one that tipped me over into like, maybe I'm not

48:49SPEAKERgoing to get the budget one next time I buy a phone, maybe I will just get the base model

48:52SPEAKERbecause having, having the promotion in the base model and not having to get a pro for

48:56SPEAKERthat is huge.

48:57SPEAKERYeah.

48:58SPEAKERWith that, you also get the always on lock screen, which I think I want to say that wasn't,

49:02SPEAKERI think that's, that's an adaptive refresh rate feature because they turn the refresh

49:06SPEAKERrate way, way down.

49:07SPEAKERYeah.

49:08SPEAKERSo it would have to be like, they, they like the watch is the same way.

49:10SPEAKERThey drop it to one Hertz when it's not doing anything to save battery life.

49:14SPEAKERSo, so no base iPhone has ever had the always on screen.

49:17SPEAKERI don't believe so.

49:18SPEAKERI don't, I don't know that for sure.

49:21SPEAKER3000 nits peak brightness.

49:23SPEAKERIt has the ceramic shield too, which is there more scratches.

49:26SPEAKEROkay.

49:26SPEAKERThe watch was two times more scratch resistant than the last one.

49:29SPEAKERThis is three times more scratch resistant than the last one.

49:32SPEAKERBrad.

49:32SPEAKERWell, that's, that's the ceramic shield two difference.

49:34SPEAKERYeah.

49:35SPEAKERThat's, that's what does it.

49:35SPEAKERAnd it has an anti-reflective coating, which is nice.

49:38SPEAKERDoes this only have the ceramic on the front glass?

49:40SPEAKERLike not on the back.

49:42SPEAKERI believe so.

49:43SPEAKERI don't think they talked about the back having ceramic shield.

49:46SPEAKERCause they call it, we'll get to the air in a second, but they called it out on the air

49:49SPEAKERas saying, Hey, this has ceramic shield all the way around.

49:51SPEAKERSo I assume that's not the case on the base.

49:53SPEAKERMan.

49:54SPEAKERIf that thing didn't have ceramic shield all the way around, it would just, you might as

49:57SPEAKERwell just, it might as well just explode the battery out the back.

50:00SPEAKERSnap like a twig the first time you sat down.

50:03SPEAKERExactly.

50:04SPEAKEROkay.

50:05SPEAKERSo we talked about the SOC it's three millimeter, three nanometer, rather a 19 looking at their,

50:11SPEAKERat their block diagram of the, of the thing it's like half CPU and GPU, 30% AI crap.

50:17SPEAKERAnd then the rest is at the other stuff, the modems and all the stuff that makes the thing

50:21SPEAKERwork.

50:21SPEAKERI don't necessarily mind the NPU stuff because it feels like Apple's use of that stuff is

50:26SPEAKERmuch more like just additive to their base experience, as opposed to, here's a bunch

50:30SPEAKERof generative shit.

50:31SPEAKERYou don't want, you know, like setting stuff like genmojis aside, but.

50:35SPEAKERI don't think they talked about chat GPT integration at all.

50:38SPEAKERThey did use the term LLM two or three times, but.

50:41SPEAKERBut all of their mo almost all of their AI and machine learning examples were like machine

50:49SPEAKERlearning examples, not generative stuff.

50:51SPEAKERRight.

50:51SPEAKERIt was like, you know, machine learning to profile your health data or like visual search

50:55SPEAKERfor like, you know, draw a circle around this bench that you are this stool that you want

50:59SPEAKERto search and have it search Google for that.

51:01SPEAKEROr, you know, it's like.

51:02SPEAKERThere was a little bit about like customizing, summarizing things for you and stuff like

51:07SPEAKERthat, which I guess is LLM stuff.

51:08SPEAKERBut anyway.

51:09SPEAKERYeah.

51:10SPEAKERCameras, this is the thing people care about.

51:12SPEAKEROh, 50% charge in 20 minutes with a wired charge.

51:14SPEAKERIt's faster charging.

51:16SPEAKERAnd this does get live translation on the iPhone for this model, because it has all

51:20SPEAKERthe MPU stuff.

51:23SPEAKERCameras, rear cameras are 48 megapixel.

51:27SPEAKERIt's that dual fusion main camera, which is the thing they rolled out last year.

51:30SPEAKERIt has basically two sets of optics inside it through some magic and software to 48 megapixel

51:37SPEAKERmain camera and you get a 12 megapixel 2x telephoto, which they described as optical

51:42SPEAKERquality, which seems like digital zoom to me.

51:44SPEAKEROptical quality screams, not actually optical.

51:47SPEAKERYeah.

51:50SPEAKERThere's also a 48 megapixel fusion ultra wide, which is there.

51:54SPEAKERLike it's the 0.5 zoom wide angle lens.

51:57SPEAKERSo you can get real up close on people and do macro shots and stuff.

52:01SPEAKERFront cameras across the board, I think, got an upgrade.

52:04SPEAKERIt's the they call it the center stage front camera.

52:06SPEAKERIt's a square sensor.

52:08SPEAKERAnd that means that if you want to, so previously sensors were, were 16 by nine or four, three

52:14SPEAKERaspect ratio.

52:16SPEAKERSo if you wanted to change to be landscape or portrait, you actually had to rotate the

52:19SPEAKERphone since it's square.

52:20SPEAKERIt just picks that intelligently based on how many people are in the frame.

52:24SPEAKERRight.

52:25SPEAKERIt just crops based on face detection and stuff like that.

52:27SPEAKERThat's neat.

52:27SPEAKERThat's that seems like a cool change.

52:29SPEAKERAnd also like, I don't care about camera stuff as much as some people, but like it's

52:34SPEAKERanother thing where all this camera stuff added in with the promotion and with, you

52:38SPEAKERknow, some of this other stuff, like really makes this feel like a pretty compelling package

52:43SPEAKERfor, for a base model.

52:45SPEAKERGetting the nice cameras.

52:46SPEAKERIt turns out as nice.

52:48SPEAKERThey also stabilize action mode, like action mode on the rear camera with that.

52:52SPEAKERSo if you're running or something, it'll give you, it uses the edges of the frame to

52:55SPEAKERmake the picture more stable.

52:56SPEAKERYeah.

52:58SPEAKERAs the person with long arms who often ends up having to take the family selfies.

53:01SPEAKERI appreciate this mode a lot.

53:02SPEAKERYeah.

53:02SPEAKERCause it means they don't have to do the scary reach.

53:04SPEAKERIt's smart.

53:05SPEAKERSmart usability stuff.

53:07SPEAKERiPhone pro is a, Oh, so hold on.

53:10SPEAKERThat comes in five colors, lavender, blue, black, white, and sage, which is green lavender's

53:16SPEAKERpurple.

53:18SPEAKERAnd it starts at 800 bucks.

53:19SPEAKERI think us, I don't think prices went up on anything, which, you know, shout outs to Apple.

53:24SPEAKERI guess they made, I guess they went and paid fealty.

53:26SPEAKERSo we don't, maybe that's, maybe we don't shout out to Apple for this.

53:31SPEAKERiPhone pro is aluminum this year, not titanium.

53:35SPEAKERActually.

53:35SPEAKERSorry.

53:35SPEAKERReal quick is, is, was the 16 also 800 is this, has this been the pricing for awhile?

53:40SPEAKERI it's really hard to find launch Apple pricing.

53:43SPEAKERCause they, it goes away the moment they do it.

53:45SPEAKERI think it was 600.

53:46SPEAKERI think it was 800 bucks.

53:47SPEAKEROkay.

53:48SPEAKERI think this has been 800 bucks for a long time, but I don't.

53:51SPEAKERShould wondering if terrorists had played a role here, but it sounds like maybe no.

53:54SPEAKERThe, the, the pro is the same price as it's always been for what it's worth.

53:58SPEAKERThat's the one I bought most recently.

54:00SPEAKERSo good to know.

54:01SPEAKEROkay.

54:02SPEAKERSo the pro they've moved away from the titanium body back to aluminum which is,

54:07SPEAKERwhich is interesting.

54:08SPEAKERCause I like the titanium a lot.

54:10SPEAKERIt's the, I don't use a case.

54:13SPEAKERIt's been basically indestructible.

54:14SPEAKERI've dropped it on concrete and doesn't have any gouges in it or anything.

54:17SPEAKERInteresting.

54:17SPEAKEROkay.

54:18SPEAKERSo they, they did their they did their like industrial porn presentation of showing

54:22SPEAKERmachining the out of a solid block of aluminum and multiple anodization baths and so on.

54:27SPEAKERBut they voiceover use the term unibody.

54:31SPEAKERBut they've done unibody.

54:33SPEAKERLike the, the frames for these are been one piece for a long time.

54:36SPEAKERI could have sworn she said this was the first unibody iPhone.

54:39SPEAKEROh, maybe, maybe.

54:40SPEAKERI don't know.

54:42SPEAKERUm, the silver orange and blue.

54:45SPEAKERDude, that orange is rad.

54:47SPEAKERIt looks cool.

54:48SPEAKERIt looks nice.

54:48SPEAKERIs there no black option?

54:50SPEAKERIs this the first time there has not, there has not been a black option on an iPhone model?

54:54SPEAKERI don't think they had a black option on the titanium ones either.

54:57SPEAKEROh, wild.

54:58SPEAKERUh, I don't know.

54:59SPEAKERI always buy white.

55:00SPEAKERSo, um, not that that's, that's a question I'm not prepared to answer.

55:04SPEAKERAll right.

55:04SPEAKERWell, let's it's, it's got a big giant battery and it looks, so there's a whole,

55:11SPEAKERthey call this thing the plateau.

55:13SPEAKERIt looks like a pimple hanging off the back of your iPhone.

55:15SPEAKERI don't, I don't like it.

55:16SPEAKERIt's like goes across the entire back.

55:19SPEAKERIt has the cameras in it.

55:20SPEAKERYeah, this is, I mean, we'll also talk about this with the iPhone air.

55:24SPEAKERI am kind of over camera bumps, honestly, I know they're a fact of life now and they're

55:28SPEAKERnot going away and that sucks, but I would actually just take a thicker phone that flattened

55:32SPEAKERthe back of the phone again.

55:33SPEAKERWell, this is where you and I differ.

55:35SPEAKERWe'll talk about that in a minute.

55:36SPEAKERI just wanted to lie flat on a surface.

55:39SPEAKERSo Brad, I think they're putting the whole, all the electric, it looks like they're putting

55:42SPEAKERall the electronics for the phone, all the boards, everything that makes the phone work

55:46SPEAKERin that plateau.

55:47SPEAKEROn the pro?

55:48SPEAKERI don't know about on the pro, definitely on the air.

55:50SPEAKERThe air.

55:51SPEAKERYeah, we'll get to the air.

55:52SPEAKERThat sounds right for the air.

55:53SPEAKERI'm not so sure about the pro though.

55:55SPEAKERThey didn't, they didn't show a cutaway of the pro that I saw.

55:58SPEAKERSo but, but it's the same size and there's, I mean, there's the vapor chamber and all

56:02SPEAKERthat stuff.

56:02SPEAKERSo anyway.

56:04SPEAKERDude, this thing has a vapor chamber.

56:05SPEAKERYeah, it's stupid.

56:06SPEAKERIs this the first phone that has ever had a vapor chamber and certainly the first one

56:09SPEAKERI have heard of?

56:10SPEAKERAbsolutely.

56:10SPEAKERThere's absolutely been an Android phone that's done a vapor chamber, but it was a bad idea

56:14SPEAKERthere.

56:15SPEAKEROkay.

56:15SPEAKERSo the antennas go around the plateau.

56:18SPEAKERThere's glass, it's like a glass aluminum sandwich there that makes the whole thing

56:23SPEAKERwork.

56:25SPEAKERIt's ceramic shield, 2.0 front and back.

56:28SPEAKERThe back glass is kind of small.

56:29SPEAKERIt's just that big patch in the middle underneath the, underneath the plateau.

56:33SPEAKERYeah.

56:35SPEAKERThey did all this to maximize battery space, apparently, which is like, Hey, shout outs

56:39SPEAKERto battery.

56:39SPEAKERWe love batteries.

56:41SPEAKERIt's basically the same SOC as the iPhone Air except this one has one extra GPU core,

56:49SPEAKERI believe.

56:50SPEAKERAnd it has a thermal management system that they put in a foam that has a vapor chamber

56:54SPEAKERfilled with deionized water that can move heat from this SOC to the other parts of the

57:02SPEAKERphone to dissipate cooling.

57:03SPEAKERThey talked about using the aluminum instead of the titanium cause it has better heat dissipation

57:07SPEAKERcapability.

57:09SPEAKERI think it's pretty ridiculous to use a vapor chamber in a phone, but also my phone gets

57:13SPEAKERhot as hell.

57:14SPEAKERSo I get it.

57:14SPEAKERI guess they know what they're doing.

57:16SPEAKERYeah.

57:18SPEAKERI guess I'd rather have that than a fan.

57:20SPEAKERSo, and they talked about.

57:22SPEAKERGod help us.

57:23SPEAKERYeah.

57:24SPEAKERThey they've talked about US versions of the, depending on the region you're in, you can

57:28SPEAKERget either a physical SIM or an eSIM on the iPhone Pro still.

57:32SPEAKERI didn't realize they were doing.

57:34SPEAKERThe US we get eSIMs exclusively, I believe.

57:36SPEAKEROh, actually my SC, I guess my SC3 does have a SIM slot.

57:39SPEAKERYeah, yeah, yeah.

57:41SPEAKERI thought they had gone eSIM only on everything already.

57:44SPEAKERAnd then, you know, they talk about like not having the physical SIM slot gives them more

57:47SPEAKERbattery space.

57:48SPEAKERSo the camera, the camera is that fusion camera.

57:50SPEAKERThey, they, all three of the cameras are those fusion cameras with the dual optics business

57:55SPEAKERthat lets them say it's not digital zoom somehow.

57:58SPEAKERThere's an 8X optical zoom on the, on the, on the telephoto.

58:03SPEAKERThe sensor for the telephoto is bigger than last gen.

58:06SPEAKERIt's the, it's a new telephoto sensor.

58:07SPEAKERThis go round, so better low light, all the normal stuff that happens every time they

58:10SPEAKERupdate the sensor, they're still applying a ton of machine learning to everything to

58:15SPEAKERpretty it up and combine the outputs from the three sensors and all that.

58:20SPEAKERSo, yeah, and you basically each of the three lenses, each of the three camera sensors has

58:25SPEAKERtwo modes.

58:26SPEAKERSo you go from ultra wide to the 8X telephoto and everything in between.

58:31SPEAKERApparently I filmed this entire event on iPhone 17 Pros and it was a very good looking presentation.

58:36SPEAKERDo you think they shot all those drone shots with iPhone?

58:38SPEAKERYeah, of course.

58:39SPEAKERYeah, totally.

58:39SPEAKERYou just, you get hangers that hang the phone off the bottom of the drone.

58:42SPEAKERLot of drone shots in this thing.

58:44SPEAKERThey, they love a drone shot, man.

58:46SPEAKERThey also do boom shots at the Apple headquarters too.

58:49SPEAKERSo they're quiet.

58:50SPEAKERIt was, it was very good looking video.

58:51SPEAKERI have to say.

58:52SPEAKERYeah.

58:52SPEAKERSo the pro like they, they keep adding weird pro level features into the iPhone pro.

58:58SPEAKERThat was my big takeaway.

58:59SPEAKERLike I, I don't keep up with high end iPhone models cause I'm not in that market.

59:03SPEAKERYeah.

59:04SPEAKERI've always assumed the iPhone pro was just the fancy one for people who wanted to spend

59:08SPEAKERa ton of money on their phone.

59:10SPEAKERNo, that's right.

59:11SPEAKERWell, I'm sure it is that as well, just like the Apple watch ultra is ostensibly for people

59:14SPEAKERwho go diving and mountaineering, but also for people who sit in offices.

59:19SPEAKERBut my big takeaway from this though, was like, this thing is actually like extremely

59:24SPEAKERproduction level with some of the features they're adding in terms of like, you know,

59:28SPEAKERactual film and TV production environments.

59:30SPEAKERLike they've added pro res raw support.

59:32SPEAKERThey've had pro res.

59:34SPEAKERThey've had raw support.

59:34SPEAKERThey haven't had pro res raw support, I believe.

59:36SPEAKERYeah.

59:36SPEAKEROkay.

59:38SPEAKERLet's got gen lock now.

59:40SPEAKERI was gonna say the crazy thing to me is that they have gen lock, which is a thing that

59:42SPEAKERyou use to sync frame, like the frame capture timing on multiple cameras at the same time.

59:48SPEAKERIf you're working in a production thing, so you can have clean frame, perfect cuts from

59:52SPEAKERone camera to another.

59:54SPEAKERRight.

59:55SPEAKERAnd they're doing that with a black magic pro doc.

59:57SPEAKERThat's not available until like next year.

59:59SPEAKERI think that doc is hilarious because it's got like BNC connectors on it.

1:00:04SPEAKERLike obviously that's all like standard expected production level hardware.

1:00:08SPEAKERIt's just the hardware.

1:00:09SPEAKERIt ends and it terminates in a tiny little USB-C cable that plugs into your phone.

1:00:13SPEAKERYou know, it's just like, it's the blending of production to your hardware with the thing

1:00:18SPEAKERthat goes in your pocket that you make phone calls on.

1:00:20SPEAKERThat's just kind of a, it's just a weird juxtaposition to me.

1:00:23SPEAKERObviously it all works.

1:00:24SPEAKERI mean, so I think the other thing is there, they added higher speed transfer out of the

1:00:29SPEAKERUSB port because the other phones have USB two data and USB three power.

1:00:35SPEAKERYeah, sure.

1:00:36SPEAKERClassic iPhone.

1:00:38SPEAKERYup.

1:00:38SPEAKERThe, this one does USB three up to 10 gigabits.

1:00:41SPEAKERI think just about to ask if it, I wonder if it goes up to 10.

1:00:44SPEAKERThat's cool.

1:00:45SPEAKERYeah.

1:00:46SPEAKERWell, kind of, it's still like, it's still less good than external media for the poor

1:00:50SPEAKERperson who has to corral media at a shoot.

1:00:53SPEAKERYeah.

1:00:53SPEAKERMy assumption is if people are using these in actual real production environments, they

1:00:57SPEAKERhave like 10 phones and they're cycling between them.

1:00:59SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:00SPEAKERI'm wildly curious to hear if people are actually shooting stuff on iPhone pros that

1:01:04SPEAKERApple isn't paying for.

1:01:05SPEAKERThat was exactly my question is that it felt like every time they've talked about using

1:01:09SPEAKERlike shooting serious stuff on iPhones before, it's just been like a marketing bullet point

1:01:13SPEAKERfor Apple.

1:01:14SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:14SPEAKERHey guys, we got Steven Soderbergh to shoot something or hey guys, we got Spike Jones

1:01:18SPEAKERto shoot something.

1:01:20SPEAKERRight.

1:01:20SPEAKERBut that, that presentation at the end of this showing this being used in, I mean, these

1:01:23SPEAKERwere mocked up obviously production environments, but like, are people actually just using this

1:01:28SPEAKERon film sets now?

1:01:29SPEAKERLook, I think the thing that you should think about this as is if Kevin Smith was making

1:01:34SPEAKERclerks today, instead of putting $40,000 worth of camera rental stuff on his, on his credit

1:01:40SPEAKERcards, he would probably just buy an iPhone pro and a little steady cam and a couple and

1:01:46SPEAKERrent some dollies and stuff.

1:01:47SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:48SPEAKERYou put it in that context.

1:01:49SPEAKERActually, no, it's Kevin Smith.

1:01:50SPEAKERSo he's not going to get dollars.

1:01:51SPEAKERHe's just going to get one tripod and frame it in exactly the same way for every single

1:01:55SPEAKERshot and it's done.

1:01:56SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:56SPEAKERYeah.

1:01:56SPEAKERBut would you put it in that context of like up and coming, you know, people, people that

1:01:59SPEAKERused to shoot on little eight millimeter cameras now can get something like this, like that,

1:02:03SPEAKERthat makes more sense than like Michael Bay is shooting action scenes with this thing

1:02:07SPEAKERor something.

1:02:08SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:08SPEAKERI think, I mean, Soderbergh shot, shot that movie famously with the iPhone 10, I think,

1:02:13SPEAKERor eight.

1:02:14SPEAKERI can't remember.

1:02:14SPEAKERIt was a long time ago.

1:02:15SPEAKERHe's just, he's enough of a filmmaking nerd that he probably considered that like an interesting

1:02:19SPEAKERchallenge.

1:02:20SPEAKERWell, right. And he also remember started making stuff on like eight millimeter and

1:02:23SPEAKERvideotape.

1:02:24SPEAKERRight.

1:02:24SPEAKERLike famously.

1:02:25SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:25SPEAKERSo yeah.

1:02:27SPEAKERAnyway, I think it's, I think it's, it's good that this stuff is accessible.

1:02:32SPEAKERI'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't think the next Transformers movie is going to be shot

1:02:36SPEAKERon iPhone pro.

1:02:38SPEAKERRight.

1:02:38SPEAKERAnd then the last one is the iPhone air, which is like, I was fascinated by this.

1:02:42SPEAKERSo it's, it's a really, really thin iPhone.

1:02:45SPEAKERIt has a polished titanium frame.

1:02:47SPEAKERSo it's shiny and very pretty.

1:02:50SPEAKERIt splits the gap.

1:02:51SPEAKERThe iPhone pro starts at 10 99 plus a hundred bucks for the max version, plus more money

1:02:56SPEAKERfor the bigger storage.

1:02:57SPEAKERUp to 10 terabytes.

1:02:58SPEAKERWell, the two terabytes makes sense for people who are using it in a, in a, in a shooting

1:03:03SPEAKERenvironment.

1:03:03SPEAKEROf course.

1:03:04SPEAKERIt's still just the idea of two terabytes on a phone is just kind of wild.

1:03:07SPEAKERI mean, let me tell you, I shot my, one of my kids talent shows with iPhone raw one time

1:03:13SPEAKERand man, I wish I had a bigger phone because it took an hour long talent show was 85 gigabytes

1:03:18SPEAKERfor something ridiculous.

1:03:19SPEAKERI believe it.

1:03:22SPEAKERThe, the air splits the gap.

1:03:24SPEAKERIt starts at the grand it's, it looks, it's basically just like the phone pimple and the

1:03:31SPEAKERbattery.

1:03:32SPEAKERAnd that's the entire thickness of the thing.

1:03:35SPEAKERIt's got the ceramic shield glass on both sides.

1:03:38SPEAKERI think everything is in the bump on that phone, all the hardware that makes the phone

1:03:42SPEAKERa phone.

1:03:43SPEAKERIt lives inside the, inside the plateau.

1:03:45SPEAKERYeah.

1:03:45SPEAKERThat bad.

1:03:46SPEAKERI believe that this is not for me.

1:03:47SPEAKERI don't know about you.

1:03:48SPEAKERLike I don't need a phone this thin and I especially don't love the very top heavy nature

1:03:52SPEAKERof having this giant module at the top of this.

1:03:55SPEAKEROtherwise like wafer thin.

1:03:57SPEAKERI was getting ready to pre-order one.

1:03:58SPEAKERI meant to do it this morning and I forgot when I was up.

1:04:00SPEAKERWow.

1:04:01SPEAKEROkay.

1:04:02SPEAKERI, I love a small phone.

1:04:04SPEAKERLike if they made an iPhone mini, I would have bought that this, this go round.

1:04:09SPEAKERIt's not a small footprint though.

1:04:10SPEAKERIt's just thin.

1:04:11SPEAKERIt's like, it's still a six and a half inch screen.

1:04:13SPEAKERLike it's still like the X and Y of it are basically the same as any normal phone.

1:04:17SPEAKERBut for me, the weight is a huge deal because like I use my phone a lot.

1:04:22SPEAKERI know you don't.

1:04:23SPEAKERWe'll see.

1:04:24SPEAKERWe'll see how people feel once they get it in the hand.

1:04:26SPEAKERBut, but again, putting all the electronics at the top of the phone, I wonder how the

1:04:30SPEAKERbalance is going to feel.

1:04:31SPEAKERI'm sure, I'm sure Apple figured this out, but.

1:04:34SPEAKERI'm going to see, let's see if I get the white one in 256 gigabytes.

1:04:40SPEAKERI don't want to trade in.

1:04:41SPEAKERI'm going to trade in if I do it, but I'm just going to buy it.

1:04:44SPEAKERI know there's already stories going around.

1:04:45SPEAKERLike I looked at pack rumors this morning, it was already like, here's how long it's

1:04:48SPEAKERgoing to take now if you didn't order to pre-order to get one.

1:04:50SPEAKERAnd it was like a month now.

1:04:52SPEAKERDamn.

1:04:53SPEAKERWell, I might as well not get it then.

1:04:54SPEAKERYep.

1:04:54SPEAKERYeah, I get mine.

1:04:56SPEAKERIf I ordered it right now, it delivers between September 29th and October 6th.

1:05:00SPEAKERSo an extra 10 days.

1:05:03SPEAKERSo yeah, it looks, it looks real thin.

1:05:04SPEAKERIt looks like it bends if you put it in your back pocket.

1:05:08SPEAKERIt comes in black, white, gold, and blue.

1:05:12SPEAKERAll these screens are 3000 nits, I think.

1:05:14SPEAKEREven the, even the regular iPhone one.

1:05:17SPEAKERSo it'd be real bright in daylight.

1:05:18SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:18SPEAKERSo all the, all the iPhone 17s have promotion now.

1:05:22SPEAKERAnd this has the Apple N1, which is their wifi, Bluetooth and thread chip in it.

1:05:27SPEAKERI think, I think both this and the pro I'm not sure about the regular iPhone.

1:05:30SPEAKERThey didn't mention that.

1:05:32SPEAKERI think it's interesting that the phones have thread radios now.

1:05:35SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:36SPEAKERI don't know what they'll use that for, but I guess you could use the phone as a

1:05:39SPEAKERsmart device controller potentially or, or to hook them up to your network.

1:05:44SPEAKERProbably is the thing.

1:05:44SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:45SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:45SPEAKERThat makes sense.

1:05:47SPEAKERIt has a C1X, which is the second, second version of their first modem.

1:05:50SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:51SPEAKERSo I want to say it was the 16E that shipped earlier this year, the budget 16 was the first

1:05:55SPEAKERone that had the C1, which was their first generation in-house cellular modem.

1:06:00SPEAKERCause I think they were using Qualcomm previously for that.

1:06:02SPEAKERYeah.

1:06:02SPEAKERQualcomm before.

1:06:05SPEAKERThis, this sounds like an improved version of the C1 as opposed to a full side.

1:06:09SPEAKERThey probably would have called it a C2 if it was full second gen.

1:06:12SPEAKERYeah. They said it's faster and uses less power.

1:06:14SPEAKERSo like 30% less power, which makes me wonder.

1:06:17SPEAKERThey did not mention this being in the base 17.

1:06:20SPEAKERSo do we think it's not in the base 17?

1:06:21SPEAKERI don't think it's in the pro either, Brad.

1:06:23SPEAKERI think that, I think that this is, I wonder if this is how they managed to make it so small.

1:06:28SPEAKEROh, okay.

1:06:29SPEAKERThis was like a, Hey, we got this together as fast as we could for this thin phone.

1:06:33SPEAKERYeah.

1:06:33SPEAKERMy guess is that this, that the, how many of these they make is the gate on how many

1:06:37SPEAKERof these phones they can make.

1:06:38SPEAKERThat makes sense because when you say, Hey, this is the modem and this uses 30 less, 30%

1:06:42SPEAKERless power, it's kind of a bummer for it to not be in the other models.

1:06:45SPEAKERBut it is, it is just one component of the system.

1:06:48SPEAKERThat's probably not gonna make a huge, huge difference to overall battery life.

1:06:52SPEAKERThe big thing about this is it only has one camera on the back.

1:06:56SPEAKERSo it's got one quad mode camera.

1:07:00SPEAKERBasically it's the 48 megapixel, 12 megapixel,

1:07:04SPEAKERtwo X zoom, same as the iPhone seven, the regular iPhone.

1:07:11SPEAKERFour lenses in your pocket is the thing that they said, I thought that was a big one.

1:07:16SPEAKERI'm pretty sure.

1:07:16SPEAKERNo, I'm pretty sure they said eight lenses in your pocket, which I don't know about that.

1:07:21SPEAKERWe'll see how the upscaling works.

1:07:24SPEAKERAnd all of these, you can do dual capture video on now.

1:07:26SPEAKERSo front and back at the same time.

1:07:28SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:28SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:28SPEAKERThat's actually, I don't know if you can do that on the normal iPhone.

1:07:32SPEAKERI think that might be Aaron pro only.

1:07:37SPEAKERSo like you can record the video they showed as you recording yourself at your kids' soccer game,

1:07:41SPEAKERwhich is weirdly centering you at your child's soccer game, but whatever.

1:07:45SPEAKERI'm not here to judge probably.

1:07:49SPEAKERThey do adaptive power mode.

1:07:50SPEAKERThey talked about adaptive power mode in this, which I'm curious if I think,

1:07:54SPEAKERI assume that's an iOS 26 feature coming to the new version of iOS where it watches how you,

1:08:02SPEAKERit tracks how you use your battery over time and adjust things like performance to, so that you,

1:08:10SPEAKERso it ensures you have battery at the times that you need it most.

1:08:14SPEAKERYour daughter will be thrilled.

1:08:16SPEAKERDude.

1:08:17SPEAKERI don't even want to talk about it.

1:08:19SPEAKERLeaving the house with 30% battery has never been more workable.

1:08:23SPEAKERI'm sure it's not coming to her 13 mini.

1:08:25SPEAKERNo.

1:08:27SPEAKERThey, they, they're finally, they showed a bunch of accessories with this.

1:08:31SPEAKERThey're making a MagSafe battery that is designed to nestle in under the plateau on this.

1:08:37SPEAKERIt looks very thin.

1:08:38SPEAKERIt gets it to basically normal iPhone pro battery life with the MagSafe.

1:08:41SPEAKERI think it's very funny that both adding a battery and also equalizing the thickness of that top

1:08:46SPEAKERmodule bump thing kind of, kind of just turns it into a normally sized phone.

1:08:51SPEAKERI, I look, I did the, I did the eyeballing on the measurements and I think with the ring

1:08:55SPEAKERthat I put on the back of my phone, it's going to be exactly the right thickness

1:08:59SPEAKERto, to balance out the pimple.

1:09:01SPEAKERSo we'll see.

1:09:03SPEAKERI think it's really funny that they're making an official cross body strap for the iPhone.

1:09:07SPEAKERI had never heard of this before we were watching the presentation last night.

1:09:10SPEAKERAnd then I was like, what the, who does then?

1:09:12SPEAKERAnd my girlfriend was like, Oh yeah, these are like all over Amazon.

1:09:15SPEAKERWildly popular.

1:09:16SPEAKERThe TikTok shop is full of them.

1:09:18SPEAKERReally?

1:09:19SPEAKERYeah.

1:09:20SPEAKERSo it was basically a body strap to be clear, what we're talking about is effectively kind

1:09:23SPEAKERof a cross body, like shoulder strap that you hang your phone from.

1:09:27SPEAKERYeah, I don't know.

1:09:29SPEAKEROkay, sure.

1:09:30SPEAKERThe two edges of the strap hit, hit in the two bottom corners of the phone.

1:09:35SPEAKERIt seems like a really good way to get your phone stolen, but what do I know?

1:09:37SPEAKEROr damaged, you know, it just feels like having your phone swing around

1:09:40SPEAKERall over the place is maybe a little risky, but okay.

1:09:43SPEAKERI'm curious if the old MagSafe batteries are going to work with the plateau.

1:09:48SPEAKERBut that's pretty much it, I guess.

1:09:50SPEAKERI bet not.

1:09:52SPEAKERI'm happy.

1:09:52SPEAKERI'm happy for you.

1:09:53SPEAKERThe iPhone air is not for me.

1:09:55SPEAKERYeah.

1:09:55SPEAKERSee, I look, I'm gonna go and tell you, I'm ordering it.

1:10:00SPEAKERI'm not, I'm not doing the in-person trade-in.

1:10:03SPEAKERSo I have a week or two to decide if I want to keep it because I'm a little skeptical.

1:10:07SPEAKERAll right.

1:10:07SPEAKERI'd be curious to hear about it for sure.

1:10:09SPEAKERBut this is absolutely not something I will ever want.

1:10:12SPEAKERThat's the thing is I, I do, I want to, I want to try it and see if I like it.

1:10:16SPEAKERLike I said, I would like the iPhone 17, except with the case as thick as the camera bump

1:10:21SPEAKERto accommodate more battery would be like the perfect phone to me.

1:10:24SPEAKERYeah, I can see that.

1:10:25SPEAKERIt does not seem to be the direction that Apple is ever going to go in.

1:10:29SPEAKERNo, I don't think so.

1:10:30SPEAKERBecause they, thinness seems to be king there.

1:10:33SPEAKERLook, thinness is king.

1:10:35SPEAKERI guess that's it for the show.

1:10:37SPEAKERThat's it, right?

1:10:38SPEAKERSure.

1:10:38SPEAKERThat's about it.

1:10:38SPEAKERYeah.

1:10:39SPEAKERThey didn't talk about a mini.

1:10:40SPEAKERThey didn't talk about an E.

1:10:42SPEAKERYeah.

1:10:42SPEAKERSo that's the big question for me, although less of a question now that the base model

1:10:45SPEAKERis so appealing, I don't know that I'm actually as interested in an E, especially with the

1:10:50SPEAKER16E being dramatically more expensive than the SE was.

1:10:54SPEAKERThat was the big disappointment of the E.

1:10:55SPEAKERI was just like, oh, they're just going to rebrand the SE, which was like under $500.

1:10:59SPEAKERBut when they bumped it up to base $600 price, and like when you look at how much more you're

1:11:05SPEAKERgetting in the base model, like the promotion, like way better camera, all this other stuff,

1:11:08SPEAKERlike the E model, I don't know.

1:11:11SPEAKERThat's it for me.

1:11:12SPEAKERI like, I think the big surprise for me was that the iPhone, the base iPhone is the big

1:11:18SPEAKERwinner this time.

1:11:19SPEAKERI think the air is neat and interesting and I'm glad that they're trying new things.

1:11:23SPEAKERYeah.

1:11:23SPEAKERI'm kind of surprised we didn't see a foldy phone.

1:11:25SPEAKERAlthough I get why.

1:11:26SPEAKERCause the, those get like everybody I know that has one of those, when I look at it,

1:11:30SPEAKERI think, oh, that where the, where the fold happens in the phone would make me crazy.

1:11:34SPEAKERYeah.

1:11:34SPEAKERSame.

1:11:37SPEAKERLast thing I'll say on the E, I don't, I don't think it was even guaranteed that we're going

1:11:39SPEAKERto get a 17E next year because the SE was only like in every three or four year release,

1:11:45SPEAKERbut all the Mac rumor, all the Apple rumor sites seem to be treating the 17E as a done

1:11:49SPEAKERdeal for next year.

1:11:50SPEAKERSo it seems like we, maybe we will be getting annual budget phones now.

1:11:53SPEAKERYeah.

1:11:54SPEAKERThat makes sense.

1:11:55SPEAKERI don't think you're wrong, but it's less budget.

1:11:57SPEAKERSo yeah.

1:11:59SPEAKERBut I guess that's some good places.

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1:12:53SPEAKERmakers of the HS3 high speed 3d printer.

1:12:56SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.

1:12:57SPEAKERThank you.

1:12:58SPEAKERBrad, I guess that's it.

1:12:59SPEAKERI hope you have a lovely weekend and we will see everybody next week.

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