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297: The AI-Content Centipede

2025-07-27 · 1:12:49

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, I don't do this often,

00:01SPEAKERbut I have brought a fine beverage to this podcast.

00:04SPEAKER- Ooh, I've never seen a can.

00:07SPEAKER- Wait, really?

00:08SPEAKER- I don't think so, I've only seen bottles before.

00:10SPEAKER- The regional classic.

00:11SPEAKER- Drink Cheerwine established in 1917.

00:14SPEAKER- With apologies to Warbird, it's Cheerwine.

00:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I did some real good husband business the other day.

00:21SPEAKERWe were at a fancy candy shop down in Half Moon Bay

00:25SPEAKERand I was looking, as my daughter was perusing

00:28SPEAKERthe regional candies from around the world,

00:33SPEAKERI noticed a cooler in the side

00:34SPEAKERwith frosty grape soda and Cheerwine.

00:37SPEAKER- Wait, Cheerwine on the West Coast?

00:39SPEAKER- Cheerwine on the West Coast is gettable.

00:42SPEAKER- That seems impossible.

00:43SPEAKER- Three places now I've found it.

00:44SPEAKEROne is a convenience store out on Sloat

00:47SPEAKERall the way out at the zoo.

00:48SPEAKERThey also have like frosty root beer,

00:50SPEAKERwhich is my all-time favorite root beer.

00:52SPEAKERThe Half Moon Bay candy shop and Andronico's

00:56SPEAKERhas Cheerwine sometimes.

00:58SPEAKER- All right, okay.

00:58SPEAKERIt's like an exotic foreign delicacy come to the Bay Area.

01:01SPEAKER- It really is.

01:03SPEAKERIt's like, the thing is it's a level of sweet

01:07SPEAKERthat Western palates just can't handle.

01:09SPEAKER- Oh, it's bad, man.

01:10SPEAKERThis whole trip has been,

01:13SPEAKERI've had trips out here where I was good,

01:16SPEAKERwhere I kept myself in check.

01:18SPEAKERI exercised every morning.

01:19SPEAKERYou know, I was like, all right,

01:20SPEAKERI'm gonna have a salad every night.

01:22SPEAKER- Yep.

01:23SPEAKER- This has not been one of those trips.

01:24SPEAKER- This trip, you exercised your right to drive to Bojangles,

01:26SPEAKERget a steak biscuit every morning?

01:28SPEAKER- So I have not been to Bojangles yet,

01:29SPEAKERbut it's on the agenda for tomorrow morning.

01:31SPEAKER- Oh, hell yeah.

01:32SPEAKERWhat about Crystal?

01:33SPEAKERDo you have crystals in North Carolina?

01:34SPEAKER- I don't know.

01:35SPEAKERI don't think we have crystal anywhere near here.

01:37SPEAKER- Oh, man.

01:38SPEAKERI love, Crystal is the South's answer to White Castle

01:41SPEAKERand it's a magical place.

01:42SPEAKER- I believe that.

01:43SPEAKERI would have thought that was maybe

01:44SPEAKERthe Dairy Queen or something.

01:45SPEAKER- No, no, no.

01:46SPEAKERCrystal makes the small square steamed burgers.

01:48SPEAKERThey grill them on the onions and the whole deal.

01:51SPEAKER- Oh, you mean that's specifically analogous to White Castle?

01:54SPEAKER- It is literally White Castle, but also they have

01:57SPEAKERlittle tiny chicken sandwiches with pickles and mayonnaise?

02:00SPEAKER- Is this the type of situation where you find out

02:02SPEAKERthat Crystal is actually owned by

02:03SPEAKERthe White Castle Corporation,

02:04SPEAKERkind of like Hardee's and Carl's Jr.?

02:06SPEAKER- Look, if you suggest that Crystal is owned

02:08SPEAKERby some goddamn Yankees.

02:11SPEAKER- Yes, okay.

02:12SPEAKER- We're gonna have a problem, Brad.

02:13SPEAKER- I get it.

02:14SPEAKERYes, I've been among such people for the last two weeks.

02:17SPEAKER- The thing about Crystal is you get

02:20SPEAKERa couple of little gut bomb burgers

02:21SPEAKERand you get like maybe a little chicken sando,

02:24SPEAKERskip the fries, although they're good.

02:26SPEAKERAnd then instead of fries, you get a side of chili,

02:28SPEAKERlike a little thing of a light bean chili.

02:31SPEAKERIt's just there to dunk the burgers in.

02:34SPEAKERYou just dunk those burgers in that.

02:35SPEAKER- Instead of burgers on a side, that's like two entrees.

02:38SPEAKERBurgers and chili. - Three entrees, technically.

02:40SPEAKER- Well, okay, fair.

02:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it's not good.

02:42SPEAKERIt's not good, but it is real good,

02:44SPEAKERif you know what I mean.

02:45SPEAKER- You know what, that really sums up

02:47SPEAKERthe Southern lifestyle about as well as I have ever heard.

02:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

02:51SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:19SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made of Tech Pod.

03:22SPEAKERI'm Will.

03:22SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.

03:23SPEAKER- Hello, it's Thursday afternoon.

03:25SPEAKERWe don't often record on Thursday afternoon.

03:26SPEAKERUsually it's Thursday morning or Friday morning.

03:29SPEAKER- Well, yeah, time difference this week.

03:31SPEAKERIt's like Thursday dinner time for me, almost.

03:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true.

03:35SPEAKERYou're in bear country out there.

03:37SPEAKER- Bear country?

03:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:39SPEAKER- Did I tell you? - Did you see bears?

03:40SPEAKER- No, I didn't see any,

03:41SPEAKERbut I mean, there are absolutely bears around.

03:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:44SPEAKER- Did I tell you back when I was here in October

03:46SPEAKERduring the hurricane, the deep power outage phase

03:50SPEAKERof the hurricane, so we had no AC,

03:52SPEAKERso we had the windows open every night.

03:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:55SPEAKER- And I was sleeping in a bedroom

03:57SPEAKERnear the deck on this house.

03:58SPEAKERI may have mentioned this.

04:00SPEAKER- I don't remember this.

04:01SPEAKER- I woke up in the middle of the night one night,

04:03SPEAKERI heard something large moving around on the deck.

04:05SPEAKER- Not good.

04:06SPEAKER- And it had the sound of like, every time I took a step,

04:09SPEAKERthere was like a little bit of a claws clacking

04:11SPEAKERon the wood sort of sound.

04:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:14SPEAKER- And I talked to my parents about it the next day

04:15SPEAKERand they were like, "Yeah, that was probably a bear."

04:17SPEAKER- Look, you know the saying, right?

04:18SPEAKERIf it's black, fight back.

04:19SPEAKERIf it's brown, lie down.

04:20SPEAKERIf it's white, you're completely fucked

04:22SPEAKERand you're gonna die.

04:22SPEAKER(laughing)

04:24SPEAKER- It's a little long for an episode title,

04:25SPEAKERbut I'll see if I can make it work.

04:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

04:28SPEAKERThey say something else about,

04:30SPEAKERI don't know, polar bears are scary, man,

04:31SPEAKERbut black bears are pretty,

04:33SPEAKERI've seen black bears when I was backpacking and stuff,

04:35SPEAKERand they are, unless you make really poor choices,

04:38SPEAKERthey are generally pretty chill.

04:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, my mom has seen a black bear out hiking before

04:43SPEAKERand she just kind of regarded it and then moved on.

04:46SPEAKER- Yeah, the biggest problem with black bears

04:47SPEAKERis you have to upgrade your trashcan game

04:49SPEAKERpretty significantly. - Sure.

04:51SPEAKER- And the bear-proof trashcans are real expensive.

04:55SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, so are black bears

04:57SPEAKERjust the raccoons of the bear world then?

04:59SPEAKER- I mean, all bears are the raccoons of the bear world.

05:01SPEAKERIt's just some will murder you

05:02SPEAKERbecause they don't like people at all.

05:04SPEAKER- Sure, but they do like their trash.

05:06SPEAKER- Look, bears are equal, they'll eat anything.

05:09SPEAKERScavenged, they'll eat carcasses, they'll eat honey.

05:13SPEAKERThey'll eat berries.

05:14SPEAKEROne time when I was backpacking,

05:15SPEAKERwe walked through a patch of wild blueberries.

05:20SPEAKERThey're not like your cultivated blueberries.

05:22SPEAKERThey're very, very small, but intensely sweet,

05:24SPEAKERalmost like a, I don't know, they're caper-sized almost.

05:28SPEAKERThey're real small.

05:30SPEAKERAnd we were in there and it was pretty obvious

05:33SPEAKERwalking around that there were bears in the general vicinity

05:36SPEAKERand then we saw a bear at the other end of the sticket

05:38SPEAKERwith all these blueberries in and we were like,

05:39SPEAKER"Okay, you can have the rest of them, buddy.

05:41SPEAKER"They're all you."

05:42SPEAKER(laughing)

05:44SPEAKER- Was it already eating the berries?

05:45SPEAKER- It seemed to be enjoying berries, yes.

05:48SPEAKER- Had you been eating the berries?

05:49SPEAKERWould you eat those when you just found them?

05:51SPEAKEROkay.

05:51SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

05:52SPEAKER- There used to be wild strawberries that grew down the hill

05:56SPEAKERand field below this house

05:57SPEAKERand they were similarly tiny little things.

06:01SPEAKERAnd we gobbled those right up.

06:03SPEAKER- There are a couple of berries where I grew up

06:05SPEAKERlooked like strawberries, but were real bad.

06:07SPEAKERThere were wild strawberries for sure,

06:09SPEAKERbut there were also other red berries

06:10SPEAKERthat looked exactly like the wild berries

06:13SPEAKERthat would give you the scours, something fierce

06:16SPEAKERis what our scout master would have said.

06:18SPEAKER- Interesting, the scours?

06:19SPEAKER- Yeah, it means you had real bad diarrhea, Brad.

06:21SPEAKER- Hey, okay, I don't remember that ever happening,

06:23SPEAKERbut who knows?

06:24SPEAKER- Yeah, blackberries, we ate a lot of wild blackberries

06:26SPEAKERwhen I was a kid.

06:27SPEAKERThose were pretty safe and they grew like weeds.

06:30SPEAKER- Yeah, can't go wrong.

06:31SPEAKERReal quick, I'll mention, you've seen this happen

06:33SPEAKERsince we've been on this video call.

06:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:35SPEAKER- Speaking of being in this house,

06:37SPEAKERthis was also happening during an Ex-Lander recording

06:39SPEAKERearlier today, how power's getting a little flaky here.

06:42SPEAKERLike it's just kind of been flickering

06:43SPEAKERin a weird way this afternoon.

06:45SPEAKER- Look, America's infrastructure is hearty

06:47SPEAKERand definitely not crumbling.

06:48SPEAKEREverything's going great here, guys.

06:50SPEAKER- Well, and I mean, there are still occasionally

06:53SPEAKERlike tree crews around doing work around here

06:56SPEAKERas I've been driving around.

06:57SPEAKERThe weird thing is it didn't take down

06:58SPEAKERthe internet connection during either of these recordings.

07:02SPEAKER- Are you on cable there?

07:04SPEAKER- It is a cable modem, yes.

07:05SPEAKER- So for a while, I don't know if they still do this,

07:07SPEAKERbut for a while when cable companies

07:10SPEAKERwere just starting to roll out a digital phone service,

07:13SPEAKERthey included, their cable modems

07:15SPEAKERincluded a big old lead acid battery

07:17SPEAKERthat would keep the phone running while the power was on.

07:20SPEAKER- Okay.

07:21SPEAKER- Usually only, like that wasn't in the aftermarket modems

07:24SPEAKERthat you'd buy at like Best Buy or whatever,

07:26SPEAKERbut that was just the one that came from the service

07:29SPEAKERthat did your TV and then you'd plug it into the POTS line

07:34SPEAKERand you'd get phone service as well.

07:35SPEAKER- Interesting.

07:36SPEAKERAnd also it's a separate router,

07:38SPEAKERit's just an off the shelf router here

07:39SPEAKERand that didn't go down either.

07:40SPEAKERI mean, it was like you saw how quickly the lights flickered.

07:42SPEAKERIt was like, it was a split second,

07:44SPEAKERbut it made me think about like,

07:45SPEAKERI guess every device just has its own individual tolerance

07:48SPEAKERfor kind of brown out like very, very brief

07:50SPEAKERpower interruption, right?

07:52SPEAKER- For computer stuff that does an AC to DC conversion,

07:55SPEAKERoften the power bricks can absorb a fair amount of,

07:58SPEAKERa fair amount of sag, right?

08:00SPEAKER- Like an interruption, okay.

08:01SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, but, or overage too for that matter.

08:05SPEAKERBut yeah, I mean, my guess is you just didn't go out

08:08SPEAKERlong enough for the thing to crash.

08:10SPEAKER- Right, okay.

08:11SPEAKERYeah, like this is, I mean, I'm getting way,

08:13SPEAKERway over my skis as far as my understanding of electricity,

08:15SPEAKERbut I was talking to some people on the Discord

08:18SPEAKERabout tiny UPSs a few weeks ago.

08:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:21SPEAKER- 'Cause I mean, I was gonna put like a Raspberry Pi

08:23SPEAKERand like a UniFi access point and some stuff like that

08:25SPEAKERon one and it was one of the ones that,

08:28SPEAKERokay, there are two terms.

08:30SPEAKERThere's line interactive UPSs

08:31SPEAKERand I think standby is the other term.

08:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:34SPEAKER- And line interactive means that it conditions the power

08:37SPEAKERas it comes out of the wall and goes to the devices.

08:40SPEAKERThe standby type is the cheaper type where if there's a sag

08:43SPEAKERor whatever, it just goes straight to battery power.

08:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:46SPEAKER- But there is a, every UPS that it's specs lists,

08:50SPEAKERI forget what the term is, but there's a fraction,

08:52SPEAKERthere's like a small number of milliseconds of interruption

08:55SPEAKERwhen it switches over to battery power.

08:57SPEAKERSo I was kind of talking to people about like,

08:59SPEAKERhey, is this, I think it's like eight milliseconds

09:00SPEAKERon the model I was looking at or something like that.

09:02SPEAKERI was like, is this enough to take all these devices down?

09:05SPEAKERLike, this is our discord.

09:06SPEAKERThis is what I love about our discord.

09:08SPEAKERPeople were like, people were responding by talking

09:10SPEAKERin terms of like fractions of a sine wave oscillation

09:13SPEAKERor whatever, you know, in terms of like, okay,

09:15SPEAKERthat's less than like one cycle of a 60 Hertz, whatever.

09:19SPEAKERYou know, you're probably gonna be fine.

09:20SPEAKERLike even a Raspberry Pi can probably tolerate

09:23SPEAKERlike less than one hump on the wave or something.

09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it's 16 milliseconds is one wavelength, right?

09:30SPEAKER- Right, right.

09:31SPEAKER- So yeah, you're fine.

09:32SPEAKER- That's, I never thought about it like that,

09:33SPEAKERbut that makes a ton of sense.

09:35SPEAKER- That's what it was.

09:36SPEAKERThat was the revelation to me was to be able

09:38SPEAKERto fractionalize it in that way as like literally looking

09:41SPEAKERat like what the wave form would look like

09:42SPEAKERand how much of one cycle you were interrupting

09:45SPEAKERand whether, you know, a device could survive

09:47SPEAKERthat much interruption or not.

09:48SPEAKER- This is why you have all those big capacitors

09:50SPEAKERin your power supply and your AC/DC converters.

09:53SPEAKER- Yes, well, anyway, speaking of babbling about things

09:57SPEAKERthat we partially understand.

09:59SPEAKER- Oh boy.

10:00SPEAKER- You wanna take some questions?

10:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's a good time for that.

10:02SPEAKERIf you have a question, you can send it to us via email

10:05SPEAKERat techpod@content.town.

10:06SPEAKERThat's email, electronic mails, people still do them.

10:09SPEAKERBut if you're a member of the Patreon

10:11SPEAKERand wanna post in the Discord,

10:12SPEAKERwe have a channel for that there as well.

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10:25SPEAKER- Indeed, why don't we start, actually,

10:27SPEAKERI've got a couple of questions here.

10:28SPEAKERWhy don't we just stay on the electricity tip

10:31SPEAKERfor a minute?

10:32SPEAKER- It's what makes it, look, it makes it happen.

10:34SPEAKERElectricity is what makes it happen.

10:35SPEAKER- I suppose none of us would be doing this without it.

10:38SPEAKERHave you ever thought about what you would be doing

10:41SPEAKERin a pre-computing or even pre-electricity world?

10:45SPEAKER- I would be completely fucked

10:46SPEAKERbecause my vision is really bad.

10:48SPEAKER- Like, what would be your thing?

10:50SPEAKER- I would probably be a cobbler

10:51SPEAKER'cause I could rest my eyeballs on the shoes

10:53SPEAKERand whack the nails into 'em.

10:54SPEAKER- Okay, but like, I have no idea what I would be

10:57SPEAKERas passionate about as I am about computers and video games.

10:59SPEAKER- I think probably food, finding food.

11:02SPEAKER- I guess.

11:02SPEAKER- Not getting cholera.

11:04SPEAKER- I guess, yeah.

11:04SPEAKER- You know, the consumption.

11:05SPEAKER- Sure, like would I be a machinist?

11:09SPEAKERWould I be into like mechanical things?

11:11SPEAKERI don't know.

11:12SPEAKER- I bet I would be super into hunting rats.

11:14SPEAKERI would essentially live that Charlie Day life.

11:17SPEAKERI would be like, I think these rats are,

11:19SPEAKERlike every, you know, I went over to Bill's house

11:21SPEAKERright before he got the plague

11:22SPEAKERand there were rats everywhere, man.

11:25SPEAKERI bet if we get rid of all these rats, less plague.

11:28SPEAKER- Or amateur surgeon.

11:30SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

11:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:32SPEAKER- It's just trading one form of tinkering for another.

11:34SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

11:35SPEAKER- That's right.

11:36SPEAKEROkay, all right, email from Aaron.

11:39SPEAKERI have a 4080 super and a be quiet 850 watt power supply.

11:44SPEAKERIn certain games like Expedition 33,

11:46SPEAKERit tends to trip my power supply to a power off,

11:49SPEAKERwhich I can only assume to be a transient power spike.

11:52SPEAKERI can work around this by capping frame rate,

11:54SPEAKERusually to get well below 300 watts.

11:57SPEAKERShould I just get another power supply

11:58SPEAKERor undervolt the GPU?

12:00SPEAKERIs this because it's a multi rail power supply

12:02SPEAKERthat transient power spikes are happening?

12:04SPEAKER- So the multi rail, single rail thing

12:06SPEAKERdoesn't really matter if you have a good power supply, right?

12:09SPEAKERThere was a lot of conversation about that a hundred years

12:11SPEAKERago and like it used to be a problem

12:14SPEAKER'cause it used to be that cheap power supplies

12:16SPEAKERwere multi rail and expensive power supplies

12:17SPEAKERwere single rail.

12:20SPEAKERThese days, it's probably fine.

12:22SPEAKERWhat that means is basically multiple circuits

12:24SPEAKERinside the power supply, right?

12:26SPEAKERUsually when this is a thing we talk about

12:28SPEAKERevery summer, when your computer is shutting off

12:31SPEAKERunder load, that means that your computer

12:33SPEAKERis expecting more power to come out of the power supply

12:35SPEAKERthan the power supply can deliver.

12:37SPEAKERAnd typically that's because when it's warm,

12:40SPEAKERthe efficiency of your power supply drops.

12:43SPEAKERAnd as a result, so your 850 watt power supply

12:47SPEAKERis then only providing 780 watts instead of 850

12:51SPEAKERbecause your room is 80.

12:54SPEAKERYour ambient temperature in your room is 75 degrees,

12:56SPEAKERwhich means the ambient temperature of your power supply

12:58SPEAKERis 90 degrees, which means the efficiency

13:00SPEAKERgoes down a certain amount.

13:03SPEAKERLooking at the power requirements for the 4080 Super,

13:10SPEAKERwhich are according to tech power up,

13:14SPEAKERit is 320 watts and the minimum suggested power supply

13:20SPEAKERis 700 watts.

13:21SPEAKERSo that to me says either it's really warm in your room,

13:25SPEAKERyou maybe have the little switch on the back

13:27SPEAKERof the power supply that turns the fan off

13:28SPEAKERunder all circumstances on.

13:31SPEAKERYou could try flipping that to on so that the fan

13:33SPEAKERwill spin up and give you a little more efficiency

13:35SPEAKEReven in the warm room.

13:37SPEAKERIt could also mean the power supply's getting close to dying

13:39SPEAKER'cause that's the other, that's a reduction in efficiency

13:42SPEAKERcan sometimes impact that.

13:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I just Googled the model of BeQuiet PSU

13:48SPEAKERthat he mentioned in here and it is an ATX 3.0.

13:52SPEAKERIt's been long enough since I built my current PC

13:53SPEAKERthat I can't remember exactly what the 3.0 spec adds.

13:57SPEAKER- It's 12.0, two by six.

13:59SPEAKER- Right, but isn't there also,

14:00SPEAKERI thought there was some kind of monitoring built

14:01SPEAKERinto that spec as well where like the power supply

14:04SPEAKERis supposed to detect spikes better in some fashion.

14:07SPEAKERIt's like I said, it's been a while, I can't remember,

14:09SPEAKERbut I guess he's got a 3.0 supply

14:11SPEAKERand it's still a problem, so.

14:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I might, you know, they have a long warranty.

14:15SPEAKERBeQuiet is a pretty good vendor.

14:19SPEAKERThis one actually isn't available in our country.

14:21SPEAKERIt says there's a big giant label on it.

14:25SPEAKERYou might call them, like I might hit their warranty

14:28SPEAKERand then say, hey, I'm, depending on what CPU you have

14:32SPEAKERand if you don't have like 12 spinning platter hard drives

14:35SPEAKERin there, you should be well under the limit for this.

14:40SPEAKERSo I would be surprised, like I think you might have a dud.

14:46SPEAKER- Yeah, like 480's super really not that demanding

14:47SPEAKERof a card, like you said.

14:49SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, so, but also capping the frame rate works.

14:53SPEAKERI actually need to test to see, for a while

14:56SPEAKERwhen they switched over from the GeForce Experience

14:57SPEAKERto the NVIDIA app, there's a feature in there

14:59SPEAKERthat lets you limit your overall wattage.

15:01SPEAKER- Yes, that was gonna be my suggestion.

15:04SPEAKERYou're talking about what they describe

15:05SPEAKERas just like a power limit, quote unquote,

15:07SPEAKER'cause undervolting is a different thing from that.

15:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it just throttles.

15:11SPEAKERIt basically sets the throttle to lower

15:13SPEAKERis the way it's supposed to work.

15:15SPEAKERNow, when we tested at PCWorld, right,

15:16SPEAKERwhen the NVIDIA app was still in beta, it didn't work.

15:19SPEAKER- So wasn't that a situation where like

15:21SPEAKERit just wasn't applying the setting?

15:23SPEAKER- Yeah, you could change the setting.

15:24SPEAKERIt looked like it was changing from inside the thing,

15:26SPEAKERbut when we put it up to the power meter,

15:27SPEAKERit didn't change anything.

15:28SPEAKER- Okay, but I will say, I mean,

15:30SPEAKERthat may no longer be the case.

15:32SPEAKERHopefully they fixed that by now,

15:33SPEAKERbut I will say that MSI Afterburner

15:35SPEAKERalso can do the same thing.

15:37SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

15:38SPEAKERMSI Afterburner is the other option for this.

15:40SPEAKERIt's a little more complicated.

15:44SPEAKER- The real solution is probably consider,

15:48SPEAKERlike I said, call BeQuiet,

15:50SPEAKERsee if they'll send you a new power supply.

15:52SPEAKERIf they won't, then you might wanna

15:53SPEAKERget a larger power supply.

15:55SPEAKER- Yeah, it's definitely worth looking into

15:57SPEAKERwhether you have faulty hardware or not,

15:58SPEAKERbut I like to power limit anyway

16:00SPEAKERbecause of the negligible loss in performance

16:04SPEAKERyou get by going down to like 90 or even 85%.

16:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I know. - Of your card's capacity.

16:10SPEAKERYou hit such diminishing returns,

16:11SPEAKERleaving your card at 100% power

16:13SPEAKERthat it's just really not worth the insane extra wattage

16:16SPEAKERto eke out like an extra three to 5% performance.

16:19SPEAKER- That's it, that's exactly it.

16:21SPEAKER- So I kind of would recommend everybody,

16:23SPEAKERat least on the Nvidia side.

16:24SPEAKERI don't know how Intel and AMD handle things.

16:27SPEAKER- Well, I was just saying, if you're on the higher end,

16:28SPEAKERit makes a lot more sense.

16:29SPEAKERIf you're on a $200 card,

16:31SPEAKERthey're already power limited out of the box.

16:33SPEAKERYou're fine. - Yes.

16:35SPEAKER- But if you're buying a 50/90 and you're not doing,

16:38SPEAKERlike there's very little right now

16:40SPEAKERthat requires the full horsepower of a 50/90

16:43SPEAKERor even a 40/90 and you can throttle those a little bit

16:46SPEAKERand be in real good shape.

16:48SPEAKER- Yep, I'm going to skip down to a Discord question

16:52SPEAKER'cause it's in the same vein here.

16:53SPEAKER- Whoa. - From Tactical Tug.

16:56SPEAKERI was helping a friend of mine build a new PC earlier

16:58SPEAKERand it got me thinking,

16:59SPEAKERwhat is one thing you absolutely won't

17:01SPEAKERand shouldn't save money on when specing a new build?

17:04SPEAKERFor me, it's the power supply.

17:05SPEAKERI always go for a high quality model

17:07SPEAKERand at least one or two capacities higher

17:10SPEAKERthan what I actually need.

17:11SPEAKERStorage is also another one where having too much

17:13SPEAKERis better than not having enough.

17:15SPEAKERAnd as a bonus, what are some things people often overspend

17:18SPEAKERon and can save some money on?

17:20SPEAKER- So I love a big C drive, big fast C drive,

17:24SPEAKERjust 'cause it's a pain to upgrade in the future.

17:27SPEAKER- Yeah, and at least in the Windows case,

17:30SPEAKERthere are so many things tied to your system drive now,

17:33SPEAKERlike your documents and desktop folders

17:35SPEAKERand places where large files might accumulate

17:37SPEAKERthat remapping those two other drives is kind of a pain

17:41SPEAKERand can get screwy.

17:42SPEAKERSo it's nice to just have a bunch of space

17:44SPEAKERright there on the system.

17:46SPEAKER- Yep, C drive is good.

17:48SPEAKERI'm a big fan of buying a nice power supply.

17:50SPEAKERPower supply is the last two or three systems usually.

17:53SPEAKER- Yep, yep, that is 100% my answer to this too.

17:57SPEAKER- Buying a high efficiency one

17:59SPEAKERwill help you avoid the problems before.

18:02SPEAKERThe difference between the 80 and the 90% power supplies,

18:05SPEAKERthey're fairly significantly more expensive

18:08SPEAKERto get the higher efficiency models.

18:10SPEAKERYou do, like when you're talking about 300 watt machines

18:14SPEAKERand 300 watt power supplies,

18:16SPEAKERthe difference between losing 30 and 20 watts to efficiency

18:21SPEAKERwas less important than these days

18:22SPEAKERwhen you're putting a thousand watt power supply

18:24SPEAKERin your computer and a 20% efficient,

18:27SPEAKERyou know, that extra 10% is 100 watts, right?

18:29SPEAKER- Yep, yep.

18:31SPEAKER- Which if you, like I said,

18:33SPEAKERespecially if you're someplace where electricity

18:35SPEAKERis expensive,

18:37SPEAKERthen saving that 100 watts will really add up

18:39SPEAKERover the eight or 10 year life of that power supply.

18:42SPEAKER- Yep, for sure.

18:44SPEAKERYeah, I've become pretty maniacal about the system stability

18:48SPEAKERover the years based on past experience.

18:50SPEAKERAnd it's like power supply and maybe secondarily,

18:53SPEAKERI guess I would say RAM and then motherboard after that

18:55SPEAKERare places to pay attention to what you're buying.

18:59SPEAKER- I really, really like a nice case too.

19:01SPEAKERLike if you're, like you use,

19:03SPEAKERdepends on how much you're digging around in your computer,

19:06SPEAKERwhether it matters,

19:06SPEAKERbut having something that it's easy to take the filters off

19:09SPEAKERand clean and open up and blast the dust out of occasionally

19:14SPEAKERmeans that I actually do that

19:15SPEAKERversus just letting it accumulate under my desk

19:17SPEAKERfor years and years and years.

19:18SPEAKERAnd then it's like something exploded in there.

19:21SPEAKER- Yep.

19:21SPEAKER- So yeah, those are mine, I think.

19:24SPEAKER- I think the bellwether there is just stop at some point

19:27SPEAKERand ask yourself, like,

19:28SPEAKERam I annoyed every time I open up this case

19:30SPEAKERand have to tinker in there?

19:31SPEAKERIf so, it's probably time for a new case.

19:34SPEAKER- Conversely,

19:35SPEAKERthe thing that I think people spend too much money on

19:36SPEAKERis probably video cards.

19:38SPEAKERI think often- - Sure.

19:40SPEAKER- I think often you're,

19:42SPEAKERyou know, for a long time, the video card,

19:44SPEAKERthe difference between a cheap video card

19:45SPEAKERand expensive video card was not super substantial

19:48SPEAKERover the last few years that's changed.

19:50SPEAKERYou know, we've seen a high-end video card

19:52SPEAKERgo from $700, six or $700 to two or $3,000.

19:57SPEAKERAnd most people,

19:59SPEAKERespecially if you're playing like live service games,

20:02SPEAKERyou absolutely don't need a big, giant, beefy video card.

20:06SPEAKERIn fact, actually it's just gonna cost you more electricity

20:08SPEAKERand generate more heat and be kind of a pain in the butt.

20:12SPEAKER- Fair, fair.

20:14SPEAKERDid you know,

20:15SPEAKERcan I just go back to the case thing for a second?

20:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:18SPEAKER- I once moved the innards of a computer into a new case

20:20SPEAKERwithout actually upgrading the computer.

20:22SPEAKER- I've done that before.

20:23SPEAKER- That feels awesome.

20:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it's-

20:25SPEAKER- It almost felt like by having a new computer,

20:28SPEAKEReven though the guts and, you know,

20:29SPEAKERtherefore the performance were identical,

20:32SPEAKERbut just something about transplanting what I already had

20:34SPEAKERinto a much nicer, more modern case still felt,

20:37SPEAKEReven though it's kind of a lateral upgrade,

20:39SPEAKERit was still, it still felt great.

20:41SPEAKERI highly, highly recommend it.

20:43SPEAKER- I did that so it fit under the secret compartment

20:46SPEAKERin the bolt when we were going on a trip one time.

20:47SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

20:49SPEAKER- It's good.

20:50SPEAKERIt's like getting a new pair of pants for your computer.

20:52SPEAKER(laughing)

20:54SPEAKER- All right, hang on, I have to write that down.

20:55SPEAKERThat's a pretty good one.

20:57SPEAKERLet's see, Adam writes in,

21:00SPEAKERI've kind of got a question about this too.

21:02SPEAKERI hope you have an answer

21:03SPEAKER'cause I run into something kind of similar to this.

21:07SPEAKERI've got AT&T Air, which is their 5G home internet product.

21:11SPEAKERIt does a reasonable job and it's cheap,

21:12SPEAKERbut I've run into a strange problem

21:14SPEAKERwith them over and over again.

21:16SPEAKERI'm based in Phoenix, but my internet thinks

21:19SPEAKERI'm based in Utah, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.

21:22SPEAKERIt alternates between the three,

21:24SPEAKERsometimes with such frequency

21:25SPEAKERthat any sort of GPS verification security system

21:28SPEAKERwill get tripped over and over again.

21:30SPEAKERI get logged out of accounts,

21:31SPEAKERI often can't access certain adult websites

21:33SPEAKERdue to different state bans.

21:35SPEAKERMy wife has been IP banned from Google Scholar

21:38SPEAKERa few times too.

21:39SPEAKERMy bank called me to confirm

21:41SPEAKERwhy I made a purchase in Arizona,

21:43SPEAKERthen logged in from Tennessee 15 minutes later.

21:46SPEAKERMy Vizio smart TV outright refuses

21:48SPEAKERto connect to this wifi network as well,

21:50SPEAKERalthough that seems like a different issue.

21:53SPEAKERHow do I fix this while I wait for fiber

21:54SPEAKERto reach my neighborhood?

21:56SPEAKER- So this happens because cellular networks

21:59SPEAKERbuy huge blocks of IP addresses

22:02SPEAKERand the geolocation databases

22:04SPEAKERare bad about understanding that often.

22:06SPEAKER- Aha, okay.

22:07SPEAKER- Some cell providers in the old days,

22:09SPEAKERI don't know if they still do this,

22:10SPEAKERthere's probably somebody that's gonna respond

22:12SPEAKERand we'll run an update next month,

22:15SPEAKERbut some cell providers used to do a lot of VPNing,

22:18SPEAKERso they'd like, like in the early days

22:21SPEAKERof like 3G and 4G data,

22:25SPEAKERyou would, like they would run everything

22:28SPEAKERthrough essentially a proxy from one cell tower,

22:32SPEAKERand then that proxy might be in St. Louis

22:33SPEAKERor something, right?

22:34SPEAKERAnd so your IP address would,

22:36SPEAKERyour phone's GPS would say, "Hey, I'm here,"

22:39SPEAKERand your IP address would be a St. Louis one.

22:42SPEAKER- Do people really geolocate purely off of IP address range?

22:45SPEAKERI assume they were--

22:46SPEAKER- That's how every desktop computer does.

22:48SPEAKER- That's it?

22:49SPEAKERI figured, I assumed they were triangulating

22:51SPEAKERoff of multiple pieces of data at this point,

22:53SPEAKERbut that seems a little one note to me.

22:55SPEAKER- So if you're on Wi-Fi, there's databases

22:58SPEAKERof where SSIDs live in terms of geo IP,

23:02SPEAKERbut if you're on a desktop PC that's connected to internet,

23:05SPEAKERthe only thing it has is your IP address.

23:07SPEAKER- Yeah, fair, I guess you're not wrong.

23:09SPEAKER- So yeah, so this is, you know how I often say

23:12SPEAKERdon't buy VPNs 'cause they're a waste of money

23:14SPEAKERand they don't really do the thing

23:15SPEAKERthat they advertise for most people?

23:17SPEAKERThis is a situation where actually maybe buying a VPN

23:20SPEAKERthat is in your hometown, it would be useful for you?

23:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that was my first thought here as well.

23:29SPEAKER- You could also do like some reverse proxy business

23:31SPEAKERand set up a line note or something

23:33SPEAKERthat you run everything through that.

23:35SPEAKER- Yep, yeah, like when I got my VPS last fall,

23:37SPEAKERwhich I swear to God, I'm going to boot back up

23:39SPEAKERand actually configure at some point,

23:41SPEAKERbut they let me pick which data center

23:43SPEAKERI wanted it to reside in.

23:45SPEAKERAnd they had like, I don't remember,

23:47SPEAKERit was like Chicago, Dallas, yeah,

23:51SPEAKERI think maybe San Jose was one of them, stuff like that.

23:53SPEAKERSo like that, if you really want to get technical

23:55SPEAKERand set up your own VPN on a virtual private server,

23:58SPEAKERyou could do something like that

23:59SPEAKERand have some control over what state it'll show.

24:02SPEAKER- So there's two issues here, things like Hulu, for example,

24:06SPEAKERbecause they do local TV networks

24:07SPEAKERand there's rules about that.

24:09SPEAKERThey only allow you a limited number

24:11SPEAKERof location changes a year.

24:13SPEAKERSo like when we went down South to Palm Springs for a month,

24:16SPEAKERwe would switch our Hulu there

24:18SPEAKERand then we'd switch it back when we came back

24:19SPEAKERand that would eat all of our changes for the year.

24:22SPEAKER- Sure.

24:25SPEAKER- The problem here is that

24:28SPEAKERif this is happening multiple times a day,

24:30SPEAKERlike streaming stuff illegally

24:31SPEAKERis going to be a real pain in the butt.

24:33SPEAKERAnd like, honestly, I'm kind of surprised

24:36SPEAKERthat AT&T hasn't solved this issue.

24:38SPEAKERThis seems like something that they should have to deal with

24:41SPEAKERand you shouldn't have to fool with.

24:43SPEAKERSo I would actually call them and complain about it

24:45SPEAKERand see if they'll give you a fixed IP address

24:46SPEAKERthat at least stays in the same municipality.

24:50SPEAKERI can't believe I'm saying we now have two answers

24:53SPEAKERthat are yo, consider calling support.

24:55SPEAKER- Sure.

24:56SPEAKER- But this one is like, you can fix this.

24:58SPEAKERIt'll be a pain in the butt.

24:59SPEAKEREverybody will have to have all their devices connected.

25:03SPEAKERDid you talk about the Vizio thing?

25:06SPEAKER- Yeah, I mentioned that.

25:06SPEAKERAlthough he says in this email

25:08SPEAKERthat he thinks that might be unrelated.

25:10SPEAKER- I think that is a different issue.

25:11SPEAKERThat's probably because Vizio thinks

25:14SPEAKERthat you're connecting to a hotspot.

25:16SPEAKER- Sure. - Like a phone hotspot.

25:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I wonder if the problem

25:20SPEAKERwith complaining to AT&T might be that,

25:21SPEAKERI mean, I'm assuming a lot here,

25:23SPEAKERbut somebody who has to use 5G home internet

25:25SPEAKERmight not have a lot of options

25:26SPEAKERfor switching to other providers in the first place.

25:28SPEAKER- I don't think you do, but you can still wear them out

25:30SPEAKERand make them fix your problem.

25:31SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

25:33SPEAKERI guess you don't necessarily have to threaten

25:34SPEAKERto leave the service to maybe get some traction.

25:37SPEAKER- No, you just have to call and ask for help and be nice

25:39SPEAKERand maybe keep calling back until you get somebody

25:42SPEAKERwho sounds like they know what they're talking about.

25:43SPEAKER- Yep, yep.

25:46SPEAKERBunch of emails about Whirly Ball.

25:48SPEAKER- We got so much feedback about Whirly Ball, Brad.

25:52SPEAKER- Whirly Ball still exists almost 30 years

25:54SPEAKERafter that issue of Wired we talked about.

25:56SPEAKER- So for folks who didn't listen to the episode

25:58SPEAKERa couple of weeks ago,

25:59SPEAKERWhirly Ball is a sport where you basically-

26:01SPEAKER- Wait, wait, wait, wait, let me stop you

26:02SPEAKERbecause the email I was gonna read

26:04SPEAKERhas a great description of what it is.

26:05SPEAKER- Perfect.

26:06SPEAKER- From somebody who's done it.

26:08SPEAKER- Perfect.

26:08SPEAKER- I'll just read this email from Brian.

26:10SPEAKERThanks to everybody who wrote in about Whirly Ball.

26:13SPEAKERI just wanted to weigh in that Whirly Ball

26:14SPEAKERis still going strong in the Chicago area.

26:16SPEAKERI thought it might actually be a Chicago only phenomenon.

26:19SPEAKERSo I was surprised to hear you mention it

26:20SPEAKERfrom other states in the 90s.

26:23SPEAKERThere are several facilities here

26:24SPEAKERand it's pretty popular for companies

26:25SPEAKERto take their teams out to play.

26:27SPEAKERIt's exactly what you think it is

26:29SPEAKERif you think it's a bunch of bumper cars

26:31SPEAKERin a small glass enclosed basketball court

26:33SPEAKERbanging into each other at full speed

26:35SPEAKERwhile drunk people try to fling a ball

26:37SPEAKERinto a basketball goal.

26:38SPEAKERIn between rounds they deliver wings.

26:42SPEAKERLater in my career, a back injury gave me an excuse

26:45SPEAKERto opt out, which is probably my actual recommendation.

26:48SPEAKERHave a few wings and just watch the mayhem.

26:50SPEAKER- Okay, so we got a lot of emails like this.

26:53SPEAKERA lot of blue sky posts from specifically,

26:57SPEAKERkind of surprisingly, a lot of ex-Microsoft

26:59SPEAKERand Valve people wrote in to say,

27:02SPEAKERhey, Whirly Ball was a really popular team building exercise

27:07SPEAKERat Microsoft for about 10 years.

27:09SPEAKERAnd then somebody got a serious enough injury

27:11SPEAKERat the Redmond one that they banned it for a while.

27:14SPEAKERAnd then somebody else wrote back to say, no, it's back.

27:16SPEAKERWe're all doing Whirly Ball again.

27:18SPEAKERSo still happening.

27:20SPEAKERI did not know about the wings though.

27:22SPEAKERThe wings are good.

27:24SPEAKERI also did not know that this was a drinking activity,

27:26SPEAKERbut although I guess that makes sense in retrospect.

27:28SPEAKER- That does seem a bit dangerous, but you know.

27:30SPEAKER- We should go to Seattle and play Whirly Ball, Brad.

27:33SPEAKER- Maybe, maybe.

27:34SPEAKER- I need better insurance first, I think.

27:35SPEAKER- Yes, that seems like a good precaution.

27:39SPEAKER- We got an insane number of people

27:41SPEAKERwriting in about Whirly Ball, really.

27:43SPEAKERPeople were talking about it at the Discord.

27:44SPEAKERThe entire thread in the Discord was about Whirly Ball

27:47SPEAKERfor the first three days.

27:49SPEAKERAnd I got probably 20 blue sky messages about Whirly Ball

27:52SPEAKERover the last week and a half or two weeks.

27:55SPEAKER- Passionate fan base.

27:56SPEAKER- I mean, it sounds fun.

27:58SPEAKERBumper cars and whacking into each other

28:00SPEAKERand throwing basketballs at a little tiny hole.

28:02SPEAKERThat sounds great.

28:03SPEAKER- Indeed.

28:03SPEAKER- And wings.

28:04SPEAKERWho doesn't love wings?

28:05SPEAKER- And wings.

28:06SPEAKERWhat situation is not improved by the presence of wings?

28:09SPEAKER- Can I, can I?

28:10SPEAKERGina stopped at San Tung in San Francisco the other day.

28:13SPEAKER- Okay.

28:14SPEAKER- Do you know about San Tung?

28:15SPEAKER- I've heard of it.

28:17SPEAKER- San Tung is like a Chinese restaurant in the inner sunset

28:21SPEAKERat Irving and Judah and 10th or something, 11th.

28:26SPEAKERAnd they do these ginger, scallion, pepper wings.

28:31SPEAKERThey're like sweet and molasses-y and gooey,

28:33SPEAKERbut like unbelievably crispy.

28:35SPEAKER- Okay.

28:36SPEAKER- And Gina brought some home the other day

28:38SPEAKERand they were really good.

28:39SPEAKER- Just get them to go?

28:40SPEAKER- You get them to go.

28:41SPEAKER- You might have to look into that.

28:42SPEAKER- You should go get something.

28:43SPEAKERYou could walk into there probably.

28:44SPEAKERIt's a, yeah.

28:46SPEAKER- Here's the question.

28:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:48SPEAKER- Flats or drumettes?

28:50SPEAKER- Oh, both.

28:52SPEAKER- Really?

28:53SPEAKER- Yeah, they mix.

28:54SPEAKER- You're not, no, no.

28:55SPEAKERI mean you, like what's your preference?

28:55SPEAKER- Oh, my personal preference?

28:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:58SPEAKER- Depends.

28:59SPEAKERIf the drums are good, I'll take the drums all day.

29:01SPEAKER- Okay, same.

29:02SPEAKER- But if they're bad, then I want the wings.

29:03SPEAKER- Wait, what defines a bad drum?

29:05SPEAKERLike not enough meat?

29:06SPEAKER- Yeah, if it's like more skin than meat

29:08SPEAKERand like there's that grisly weird thing on the end,

29:11SPEAKERdangling off.

29:12SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, yeah.

29:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:14SPEAKER- I'd just gnaw that thing off.

29:15SPEAKER- I mean, look, the thing we used to do

29:18SPEAKERwhen we lived down there,

29:19SPEAKER'cause we used to live in that neighborhood,

29:20SPEAKERis we would go stop and grab some wings

29:22SPEAKERand then we'd go sit in the park

29:23SPEAKERand take a bunch of wet naps and eat wings.

29:27SPEAKER- That's living.

29:28SPEAKER- The beard's not compatible with that anymore.

29:29SPEAKERUnfortunately, I need like a hose, basically.

29:32SPEAKER- I could see that, yeah.

29:34SPEAKERYeah, I'm with you, drums all day.

29:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:36SPEAKER- It's great, my girlfriend likes the wings better,

29:38SPEAKERso we get along well.

29:39SPEAKER- Like you get to do stunts with the wings though.

29:41SPEAKERLike I know people who can put a whole wing in their mouth

29:43SPEAKERand just spit bones out, that's incredible.

29:46SPEAKER- Strip the entire meat.

29:47SPEAKER- Yep.

29:48SPEAKER- Right on, yes, yes.

29:49SPEAKER- The thing where you push it down

29:50SPEAKERand like the bones come out and you just have a wing,

29:53SPEAKERthat's also delicious.

29:54SPEAKER- Like a little meat flour.

29:56SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, these are all good.

29:58SPEAKERDrums, you don't get that option.

29:59SPEAKER- Now I want some wings.

30:01SPEAKER- You put a whole drum in your mouth,

30:02SPEAKERyou look like as a psychopath.

30:03SPEAKER- Fair, fair.

30:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:06SPEAKERAll right, James wrote in,

30:07SPEAKER"You had a short discussion a month ago

30:09SPEAKERabout getting a good power brick for travel.

30:11SPEAKERI'm lucky enough to go to Japan semi-frequently

30:13SPEAKERdue to having some family out there,

30:15SPEAKERso I need a phone and laptop charger that will work there

30:18SPEAKERas well as here in the UK.

30:19SPEAKERTrick is to get a power brick

30:21SPEAKERthat has a removable mains input,

30:23SPEAKERusually a figure eight or even Mickey Mouse plug,

30:26SPEAKERwhich is IEC C5 or C7,

30:28SPEAKERand then make sure your brick is multi-voltage,

30:31SPEAKERsuch as 100 to 250 VAC, 50/60 hertz."

30:36SPEAKERSo now you have a brick that will work anywhere in the world

30:38SPEAKERwhen you get to the country you're going to.

30:40SPEAKERYou get a cable that has the local mains plug on one end

30:43SPEAKERand your figure eight or Mickey Mouse plug on the other.

30:45SPEAKERBoom, you can get locally flavored electricity

30:47SPEAKERinto your brick.

30:49SPEAKER- This is incredible.

30:50SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, like back when we were going to TGS

30:54SPEAKERin like 2003, four or five,

30:57SPEAKERwe have like a very early primitive version of this,

31:00SPEAKERwhich was just a giant fat brick transformer

31:03SPEAKERwith a bunch of like interchangeable plugs

31:06SPEAKERfor different countries

31:07SPEAKERthat you would bring in a little sack along with it,

31:10SPEAKERbut this sounds like a way better, more modern version.

31:13SPEAKER- Yeah, this sounds fabulous.

31:14SPEAKER- Yes, so.

31:16SPEAKER- Thanks, James.

31:17SPEAKER- I don't do a lot of international travel myself these days,

31:20SPEAKERbut I guess it wouldn't hurt to be prepared in case you do.

31:23SPEAKER- I keep threatening to.

31:26SPEAKER- But I'm all out there.

31:27SPEAKER- Like I try not to leave the house, Brad.

31:29SPEAKER- Yes, fair, yes, I'm kind of with you.

31:33SPEAKERAll right, let's see.

31:34SPEAKEROne more email from Joe.

31:36SPEAKER- Okay.

31:37SPEAKER- I'm in the process of setting up a home NAS

31:39SPEAKERfor the first time after finally axing Windows

31:41SPEAKERfrom all my machines

31:42SPEAKERto make the full-time switch to Linux.

31:44SPEAKERAfter some amount of research,

31:46SPEAKERI'm planning on using Unraid for the NAS OS

31:48SPEAKERand Tailscale to access it outside my network.

31:52SPEAKERAm I overlooking anything from a security perspective?

31:55SPEAKERAnd is there anything I can do on the ease of access side

31:58SPEAKERto make the less tech-inclined folks in my life

32:01SPEAKERwant to utilize it more?

32:03SPEAKER- I think, I mean, Tailscale is the general recommendation

32:08SPEAKERfor safe external access, right?

32:11SPEAKER'Cause it works like a reverse proxy?

32:13SPEAKER- Well, yeah, yeah, so Tailscale is built on WireGuard.

32:17SPEAKERIt uses WireGuard as the VPN protocol,

32:20SPEAKERbut it's basically a mesh network version of WireGuard.

32:25SPEAKER- Oh, weird, okay.

32:26SPEAKER- And I've never used it,

32:27SPEAKERbut my understanding is it's quite easy to set up.

32:29SPEAKERLike setting up manual WireGuard is pretty fiddly.

32:31SPEAKERLike you have to deal with copying public and private keys

32:35SPEAKERback and forth and setting up config files.

32:38SPEAKER- You can shoot the QR code in your phone too.

32:40SPEAKER- I mean, that helps, but it's still quite technical.

32:43SPEAKERMy understanding is that setting up Tailscale

32:44SPEAKERis dramatically more straightforward

32:46SPEAKERand doesn't need a lot of networking expertise to do.

32:51SPEAKERI'm trying to think, like as a security-wise,

32:53SPEAKERif you're running a Tailscale network into your house,

32:56SPEAKERlike that's probably all you need to worry about

32:59SPEAKERas long as you're not opening a bunch of other ports.

33:01SPEAKER- And make sure you keep your Tailscale stuff,

33:03SPEAKERlike whatever you use to get into the house,

33:04SPEAKERmake sure you keep it updated.

33:05SPEAKERLike don't run a three-year-old WireGuard instance.

33:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I would guess

33:10SPEAKERthat just having people set up whatever Tailscale stuff

33:13SPEAKERthey need to get into your VPN is probably enough.

33:17SPEAKERI guess you could maybe look into like a reverse proxy

33:19SPEAKERto make the addresses look friendlier, I don't know,

33:21SPEAKERbut maybe that's not even necessary.

33:23SPEAKERI'm actually, I would like to hear more

33:24SPEAKERfrom people on the Discord about this.

33:26SPEAKER- Well, so like, for example, for me on iOS,

33:29SPEAKERwhen I use WireGuard from outside the house,

33:30SPEAKERand I set it up for both Gina and the kiddo

33:32SPEAKERso that they can get ad blocking basically

33:34SPEAKERwhen they're anywhere, they just have a,

33:38SPEAKERthey have a switch that flips on,

33:40SPEAKERthat lets them flip the VPN on, right, when they're out,

33:43SPEAKERwhich works really well.

33:45SPEAKERI kind of thought the interesting thing about this

33:46SPEAKERwas the question about how I can get

33:49SPEAKERthe less tech-infined folks in my life to utilize it more.

33:53SPEAKERAnd the kind of killer apps inside our house are Plex,

33:58SPEAKERobviously, or, you know, some sort of media server,

34:00SPEAKERmedia and music, but also the ad blocking is incredibly,

34:06SPEAKERlike everybody in the house doesn't like using the internet

34:09SPEAKERwhen they're away from the ad blocker, so.

34:12SPEAKER- Sure.

34:13SPEAKER- Turns out, good feature.

34:15SPEAKER- Understandable, actually, since you said that,

34:17SPEAKERI'm just gonna jump straight to a related Discord question.

34:19SPEAKER- It's a nice transition there.

34:21SPEAKER- From BrettG102, see, this is what happens

34:23SPEAKERwhen I do some prep.

34:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:26SPEAKER- I actually read all these questions

34:27SPEAKERand think about a logical flow to them.

34:29SPEAKER- It's amazing.

34:30SPEAKER- BrettG102, you both come from industries

34:33SPEAKERwhich had or continue to have a large reliance

34:36SPEAKERon internet advertising and have to play the SEO game.

34:39SPEAKERAny dissonance in the lengths that you go to

34:42SPEAKERin order to block ads?

34:44SPEAKERLike, yeah, I have thought about that quite a bit.

34:46SPEAKERI used to not do it at all for that exact reason.

34:49SPEAKERThe things that changed,

34:51SPEAKERand I still feel a little weird about it,

34:53SPEAKERbut the things that changed are A,

34:55SPEAKERdisplay ads are dramatically less valuable

34:58SPEAKERthan they used to be.

34:59SPEAKER- Do display ads are just there to drive people

35:01SPEAKERto subscriptions at this point?

35:03SPEAKER- Right, like they, display ads do not,

35:05SPEAKERyou know, back 20 years ago when I was starting at 23 now

35:09SPEAKERat GameSpot or whatever, ads were it, like that was it.

35:13SPEAKERLike the whole site ran on display ads

35:15SPEAKERand big ad campaigns and stuff like that,

35:16SPEAKERbut like the value of those ads plummeted to such a degree

35:20SPEAKERthat they are not the primary revenue driver anymore.

35:24SPEAKERAnd the other thing is,

35:24SPEAKERwhich we've talked about a million times,

35:26SPEAKERis that the amount of malicious activity

35:29SPEAKERthat it now comes along for the ride

35:31SPEAKERwith a lot of the ads that you're letting through

35:33SPEAKERand tracking, you know, data tracking,

35:35SPEAKERthere's like so many other things now

35:36SPEAKERthat are far less palatable than just looking at ads

35:39SPEAKERthat also come along from those same sources

35:42SPEAKERthat it's gotten a lot fuzzier for me.

35:45SPEAKER- For me, there was a specific moment a few years ago

35:49SPEAKERwhen I turned off all the tracking cookies

35:53SPEAKERthat when they started letting you do that,

35:55SPEAKERI flipped the button on all the things

35:56SPEAKERto stop having the tracking cookies.

35:59SPEAKERAnd I started getting ads for toenail fungus

36:04SPEAKERwith horrible pictures in them.

36:06SPEAKERAnd I didn't need to see people's gnarly toenails all day.

36:10SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't want that, I can't do this anymore.

36:13SPEAKERThis is terrible.

36:14SPEAKERThe security, like I haven't gone so far,

36:17SPEAKERwe know people who don't like run JavaScript

36:20SPEAKERin their browser, right?

36:21SPEAKERLike they don't allow any JavaScript

36:23SPEAKERor any kind of code to be run in the browser

36:26SPEAKERother than just markup language.

36:28SPEAKERAnd I don't go that far just 'cause I need the web

36:31SPEAKERto be relatively usable and a lot of the sites that I use

36:34SPEAKERrequire a fair amount of JavaScript these days.

36:37SPEAKERBut yeah, like I think I subscribe to a ton of,

36:41SPEAKERlike I pay for a ton of newsletters and blogs

36:43SPEAKERand larger sites.

36:46SPEAKERI used to pay for multiple newspapers.

36:48SPEAKERI've stopped two of those

36:49SPEAKERbecause they kind of don't seem to be up to the task

36:53SPEAKERin the 2025 and have started paying

36:57SPEAKERfor more independent reporters as a result of that.

37:00SPEAKERSo I back a fair number of,

37:03SPEAKERlike I back people who write newsletters,

37:05SPEAKERI back people who write blogs,

37:06SPEAKERI pay for a couple of what would have been magazines

37:11SPEAKER10 years ago, like I pay for Wired,

37:13SPEAKERI pay for the Atlantic, I pay for the New Yorker off and on.

37:16SPEAKERI don't always pay for the New Yorker

37:17SPEAKER'cause it's kind of expensive.

37:19SPEAKER- Sure.

37:20SPEAKER- But yeah, like I would much rather,

37:24SPEAKERI would much, much rather pay somebody

37:27SPEAKERa couple of bucks a month for hot takes

37:29SPEAKERthan let them run arbitrary code on my computer.

37:31SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.

37:32SPEAKERI've been thinking about subscribing to Apple News actually,

37:35SPEAKERor actually is it Apple News Plus,

37:37SPEAKERI think is the name of the paid product.

37:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's kind of like a bundle, right?

37:40SPEAKERYou get a bundle deal for a lot of big publications.

37:43SPEAKER- Yes, like it's actually kind of crazy

37:45SPEAKERhow many publications you get for,

37:47SPEAKERI mean, it's not nothing.

37:48SPEAKERIt's like 13 to 15 a month or something like that,

37:51SPEAKERbut it's a huge range of newspapers and magazines.

37:54SPEAKERI wonder what the split is though.

37:57SPEAKERI wonder if they're really taking a bath

38:00SPEAKERon what each publication is getting,

38:03SPEAKERhow they're slicing up that subscription fee.

38:06SPEAKERI wonder if that's actually like kind of a loss for them

38:08SPEAKERor a loss leader.

38:09SPEAKER- I think any revenue is better than no revenue

38:13SPEAKERfor a lot of them.

38:14SPEAKER- Yeah, sure, sure.

38:15SPEAKERI actually also to your point about arbitrary code

38:17SPEAKERand stuff like that, that couches all the content in an app,

38:20SPEAKERyou know, in like the news app on the iPad or whatever

38:23SPEAKERthat is obviously very sanitized and formatted with no ads

38:26SPEAKERand no concern about malicious tracking

38:29SPEAKERor stuff sneaking through.

38:31SPEAKER- For me, like when I was in a position to care

38:34SPEAKERabout the delivery side of ads a lot more than I do now,

38:38SPEAKERthere's a reason we don't run ads on this podcast, right?

38:42SPEAKERBut like I used to raise hell about all of those,

38:46SPEAKERthe rise of demand media was the first one, it's gone now,

38:50SPEAKERit's been bought by somebody and subsumed

38:51SPEAKERinto something else.

38:53SPEAKERBut they started making ads that looked like the kind of,

38:56SPEAKERhey, you might enjoy this content block on your website.

38:59SPEAKERAnd at that point, you're just lying to the users, right?

39:03SPEAKERWhen you're making ads that are indistinguishable

39:05SPEAKERfrom editorial content, then you've broken the contract

39:10SPEAKERwith me as a user and I'm okay cutting out ads on that.

39:16SPEAKERI think it's unfortunate that we're in this situation

39:18SPEAKER'cause like the same thing, the thing that's happening now

39:21SPEAKERis that Google is doing a lot less outbound traffic

39:24SPEAKERbecause they're sucking up all of the information

39:29SPEAKERon web pages into their AI results.

39:31SPEAKERSo what used to be a really good deal for publications,

39:37SPEAKERhey, we'll let you make a copy of our content

39:39SPEAKERon your servers in exchange for sending search results

39:43SPEAKERour way if our content is good,

39:45SPEAKERdrove an incredible amount of growth in publishing

39:48SPEAKERon the web.

39:49SPEAKERNow at the same time, Google was devaluing online advertising

39:52SPEAKERand Facebook contributed to that as well.

39:54SPEAKERNow the AI tendency to keep everything inside their silos,

39:59SPEAKERboth on Google and Microsoft and Chad GPD and OpenAI

40:02SPEAKERand everyone is making publishers reevaluate

40:08SPEAKERthe value of that contract, of that,

40:11SPEAKERhey, you can steal our stuff if you give us content back

40:13SPEAKER'cause the traffic is declining at a precipitous rate.

40:17SPEAKERAnd we're seeing things like Cloudflare a month or two ago

40:22SPEAKERrolled out a, hey, you can just block all the AI crawlers

40:25SPEAKERif you run all of your web traffic through us.

40:27SPEAKERIt's a free service.

40:28SPEAKERWe provide it for free 'cause we think it's important.

40:30SPEAKERAnd they do the thing that would be impossible

40:32SPEAKERfor us, any small to midsize publisher

40:35SPEAKERto manage on their own just because fuck AI.

40:39SPEAKERAnd that's the real, that's the first inflection point

40:45SPEAKERthat we're hitting with the AI stuff, I think,

40:47SPEAKERis that the publishers are gonna start blocking everything

40:50SPEAKERfrom Google and it's gonna completely change

40:52SPEAKERthe way we access stuff on the web.

40:53SPEAKER- Yeah, that move from Cloudflare,

40:55SPEAKERI looked at that and my first instinct was like,

40:57SPEAKERoh, that's like very altruistic of them.

40:58SPEAKERLike what a good move on their part.

41:00SPEAKERBut then, you know, like Cloudflare's business

41:02SPEAKERrelies on a healthy, thriving, robust web

41:05SPEAKERas much as anybody's, right?

41:06SPEAKERLike they need, 'cause the web is going to shrivel and die

41:10SPEAKERin a feed, like a negative feedback loop, right?

41:13SPEAKEROf the things that need to consume

41:16SPEAKERall the human generated content

41:18SPEAKERin order to drive their own automatically generated stuff

41:20SPEAKERare gonna run out of human content to continue absorbing.

41:23SPEAKERAnd then what's gonna come out the other end

41:25SPEAKERwhen they don't have valid inputs,

41:27SPEAKERwhat is the output gonna be anymore?

41:28SPEAKERLike it's gonna be-

41:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a content centipede.

41:31SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, basically.

41:35SPEAKERContent centipede is not a bad title.

41:37SPEAKERI have now forgotten the other thing you said

41:39SPEAKERthat was gonna be a good title.

41:39SPEAKER- Look, I'm on fire today, man.

41:40SPEAKERWe should do this in the afternoon more often.

41:42SPEAKER- Do you remember it?

41:43SPEAKERI didn't write it down, what was it?

41:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it was the, if it's black, fight back.

41:48SPEAKERIf it's brown, lay down.

41:50SPEAKERIf it's white, you're fucked and are gonna die, basically.

41:52SPEAKER- Sure, okay, I'll sift through there and find something.

41:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:57SPEAKER- Okay, since you mentioned newsletters,

41:59SPEAKERhere's one from Zella in Alaska

42:01SPEAKERthat since you write a newsletter,

42:02SPEAKERyou might be able to answer.

42:03SPEAKER- I have answers.

42:04SPEAKER- When writing a blog post about a project,

42:06SPEAKERdo you write it in parallel with the project

42:08SPEAKERor after you complete it?

42:10SPEAKER- So I've been writing posts and articles about projects

42:13SPEAKERfor a really long time now,

42:14SPEAKERand I always take notes as I'm doing it.

42:17SPEAKERAnd then those notes end up forming an outline

42:20SPEAKERthat then gets coalesced into an article almost always.

42:23SPEAKER- All right.

42:25SPEAKER- Hardly ever, usually you want the benefit

42:29SPEAKERof the completed project,

42:30SPEAKERbecause if you write it as you're going,

42:32SPEAKERthere's always dead ends and stuff

42:33SPEAKERthat doesn't work the way you would expect.

42:35SPEAKER- Yeah, then you just end up reworking more of the article

42:39SPEAKERthan you save time on by doing it in line.

42:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

42:43SPEAKER- Yeah, Taxical Tug asked,

42:45SPEAKERit's been mentioned a few times now

42:47SPEAKERthat you shouldn't listen to podcasts on Spotify.

42:50SPEAKERAs someone who exclusively uses Spotify

42:51SPEAKERto consume audio content, why not?

42:55SPEAKER- Because Spotify has built a parallel ecosystem

43:02SPEAKERfor audio podcasts that lives outside the RSS feeds

43:05SPEAKERand generates, I think they're not running ads anymore

43:09SPEAKERon top of other people's podcasts.

43:11SPEAKERThey did that for a little while.

43:13SPEAKERIt just means that we don't get data about your,

43:16SPEAKERlike we don't know, your listens don't count for us

43:18SPEAKERfor all intents and purposes there.

43:20SPEAKERIt doesn't matter for us 'cause we're not a listener,

43:22SPEAKERwe're listener supported, we don't run ads.

43:24SPEAKERBut if you're on an ad track podcast,

43:26SPEAKERit means that people have to jump

43:28SPEAKERthrough a whole bunch of hoops.

43:28SPEAKERAnd also, Spotify could just use RSS feeds

43:35SPEAKERfor their podcast platform and they choose not to.

43:37SPEAKERIt's just shitty.

43:38SPEAKER- Yeah, and consistent with their other business practices,

43:42SPEAKERbecause I mean, this isn't really relevant to podcasts,

43:44SPEAKERbut Spotify is well known

43:46SPEAKERfor dramatically underpaying musical artists.

43:49SPEAKER- I mean, look, the entire music industry

43:50SPEAKERhas a long history of dramatically underpaying artists,

43:53SPEAKERbut Spotify has really taken it to a whole new level.

43:56SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

43:57SPEAKERAfter when Ozzy passed the other day,

44:00SPEAKERI was watching some interviews with him

44:01SPEAKERthat were running in the news

44:02SPEAKERand he was talking about how bad they got screwed

44:05SPEAKERby their management in the early days of Black Sabbath.

44:07SPEAKER- Yep.

44:08SPEAKER- The classic story of they were touring

44:10SPEAKERand pulling in huge amounts of money

44:12SPEAKERand then looking at their paychecks and going like,

44:13SPEAKER"Wait a minute, where is all this money going?"

44:16SPEAKERAnd, "Oh, it was the management."

44:18SPEAKER- I mean, they also had enormous drug problems

44:20SPEAKERback then too, so.

44:21SPEAKER- Well, hey, look, as long as these cereal boxes

44:24SPEAKERfull of cocaine kept showing up.

44:26SPEAKER- Look.

44:27SPEAKER- That was a direct quote, by the way.

44:28SPEAKER- Justin, you gotta eat your Wheaties

44:30SPEAKERto keep on the go, Brad.

44:32SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

44:33SPEAKER- Rip Ozzy, by the way.

44:35SPEAKER- Let's see, Sten writes in,

44:37SPEAKER"As both of you play Fortnite,

44:38SPEAKERwill you try and get the Fantastic Foreskins?"

44:42SPEAKER- You said Foreskin.

44:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I think they were trying to do something there,

44:46SPEAKERbut since it's a legitimate question,

44:47SPEAKERI haven't played Fortnite since the Star Wars stuff ended.

44:50SPEAKER- This season, they swung hard in the opposite direction,

44:54SPEAKERand it's like a complete mobility season.

44:57SPEAKER- Oh, what would you say characterized the last season then?

45:00SPEAKERI don't have the frame of reference since I don't play much.

45:03SPEAKER- Last season, the mobility stuff was relatively tame,

45:05SPEAKERso like, often they will have,

45:09SPEAKERso this season, they have five or six

45:13SPEAKERdifferent mobility items,

45:14SPEAKERso people are three-stacking mobility

45:16SPEAKERand just carrying a gun and maybe a little bit of utility.

45:21SPEAKERSo the final fights, the final small circles

45:25SPEAKERend up being absolute chaos

45:28SPEAKERwhere people are bouncing around like maniacs,

45:31SPEAKERand whoever runs out of mobility first loses, basically.

45:35SPEAKER- Interesting, that does sound quite different.

45:37SPEAKERI mean, so what would you say,

45:38SPEAKERwas it the guns that were the focus of the Star Wars season?

45:40SPEAKER- Yeah, so Star Wars season, there were no,

45:42SPEAKERwell, there was no ammo won.

45:45SPEAKERThe lightsabers don't really matter

45:46SPEAKERa whole lot in combat, right?

45:49SPEAKERYou maybe would use them to block or to close on somebody,

45:52SPEAKERbut you wouldn't use them to,

45:53SPEAKERit's like, you're not gonna beat somebody to death

45:55SPEAKERin a final circle with a lightsaber

45:57SPEAKERunless you're stunting on 'em.

45:58SPEAKER- Right.

46:00SPEAKER- The thing that they do really, really well with Fortnite

46:04SPEAKERthat I think all of the other battle royales,

46:06SPEAKERmost of the other big live service games have,

46:08SPEAKERis that each season has its own tenor

46:11SPEAKERbecause they have trained the player base

46:12SPEAKERto accept weapons coming in and going out constantly.

46:16SPEAKER- That's cool.

46:17SPEAKER- Yeah, and it keeps the game really fresh.

46:19SPEAKERIt's why that's the one that I play, honestly,

46:21SPEAKERis 'cause if we were just always using the same,

46:25SPEAKERyou know, drum shotgun and, you know, basic assault rifle,

46:30SPEAKERit would get tedious after a while, so.

46:32SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

46:33SPEAKERAll that said, I think I have discovered

46:35SPEAKERthat I am going to be a very fair-weather Fortnite fan.

46:38SPEAKER- I think there's a lot of you, right?

46:41SPEAKERAlso, there's a ton of really good games out right now.

46:42SPEAKERI wanna play more Night Reign, that game owns.

46:45SPEAKER- Yeah, Elden Ring, Night Reign is a sleeper,

46:48SPEAKERI'm not gonna say game of the year, but like it's up there.

46:50SPEAKERLike it's actually like shockingly high

46:52SPEAKERon my favorite games of the year list so far.

46:54SPEAKER- Brad asked me about Peak.

46:56SPEAKER- What's up with Peak?

46:57SPEAKER- I beat it last time.

46:58SPEAKER- Whoa, I mean, congratulations.

47:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:01SPEAKER- But also, I'm sad we didn't get to beat it together.

47:05SPEAKER- There's still time.

47:06SPEAKER- Yeah, well, but now you've seen it.

47:07SPEAKERNow you can, I wanna have the pure survival experience

47:11SPEAKERof not having a ringer on the team

47:12SPEAKERtelling us the best strategies.

47:14SPEAKER- Look, we will get to the top of the mountain.

47:16SPEAKERThey're adding more biomes, I think, probably.

47:18SPEAKER- Of course, yeah, I mean, there's no way

47:20SPEAKERthey're not gonna support that game, right,

47:21SPEAKERwith the way it's selling.

47:22SPEAKER- They made a lot of money with it.

47:24SPEAKER- Yeah, hey, what if they could make even more?

47:26SPEAKER- Good for them, there's my game of the year right now.

47:30SPEAKER- It's up there, it's like crazy that that thing,

47:33SPEAKERthat game they made in three months for 10 bucks

47:36SPEAKERis high up on that list, for sure.

47:40SPEAKERQuestion from Zed, with the somewhat insane news

47:43SPEAKERthat, sorry, I'll need to start that over,

47:45SPEAKERwith the somewhat insane news that a retro YouTuber

47:48SPEAKERhas bought the Commodore company and trademarks,

47:51SPEAKERwhat defunct brand would you rescue from Bolivian?

47:53SPEAKERDid you see the Commodore stuff?

47:55SPEAKER- I had no idea that that's what happened.

47:56SPEAKER- I had to look it up.

47:57SPEAKERI still, it seems like there's a whole story there.

48:00SPEAKERIt sounds like they may have paid

48:01SPEAKERlike low seven figures for it.

48:03SPEAKER- Makes sense.

48:04SPEAKER- I hadn't heard of this YouTuber.

48:05SPEAKERI don't know how big they are.

48:05SPEAKERI don't know if they presumably

48:07SPEAKERhad some outside investment, maybe.

48:09SPEAKERAnd I have no idea what their plans are

48:10SPEAKERfor the Commodore brand.

48:14SPEAKERI'm going to say, at least for my own part,

48:15SPEAKERI'm going to limit this question

48:16SPEAKERto other defunct computer companies of the past,

48:19SPEAKERjust to narrow the scope a little bit here.

48:22SPEAKERThe first one that came to mind was B.

48:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:27SPEAKER- I think it might, it would be kind of cool

48:27SPEAKERto own all of the B trademarks and stuff like BOS, B box.

48:33SPEAKERLike I just, I like the look of the B logo a lot.

48:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:38SPEAKER- Have you ever seen Serial Experiments Lain, the anime?

48:41SPEAKERDid we talk about that?

48:42SPEAKER- No.

48:43SPEAKERIt's, it's, it's a, it is from the late nineties.

48:45SPEAKERIt is like a very extremely, like ahead of its time,

48:47SPEAKERcyber, cyber surreal anime.

48:52SPEAKER- Okay.

48:53SPEAKER- But there's a bunch of,

48:53SPEAKERthere's a bunch of nineties computing stuff in there

48:56SPEAKERthat is like subtle enough

48:58SPEAKERthat if you don't know what you're looking at,

48:59SPEAKERyou won't notice it.

49:00SPEAKERBut at the end of every episode of Lain,

49:03SPEAKERwhen it says to be continued, they use the B logo.

49:05SPEAKER- The B logo?

49:06SPEAKER- In there.

49:07SPEAKER- Wow.

49:08SPEAKER- There are references to like other nineties

49:10SPEAKERkind of big iron computer companies in there and stuff.

49:12SPEAKERBut anyway, like B is one of those like computing,

49:17SPEAKERyou know, computing companies that wasn't,

49:19SPEAKERI guess I would say that I find really fascinating.

49:21SPEAKER- It's definitely one of the path less traveled.

49:23SPEAKERIt's probably what I would have picked.

49:25SPEAKER- Yes.

49:26SPEAKER- Maybe SGI, but like I'm here because of B.

49:30SPEAKER- Sure.

49:31SPEAKER- I wrote a nasty letter to the Ars Technica folks

49:33SPEAKERbecause I thought their BOS coverage was bad.

49:36SPEAKERAnd they were like, well, if you think you can do better,

49:37SPEAKERwhy don't you come on and write about it?

49:39SPEAKERAnd I, and I did.

49:39SPEAKERAnd 25 years later, here I am.

49:41SPEAKER30 years later.

49:43SPEAKER- Talking about this right now is kind of making me realize,

49:45SPEAKERI think my entire fascination with operating systems

49:47SPEAKERgrew out of Windows being so shitty in that period.

49:51SPEAKER- I mean.

49:52SPEAKER- You know, like everything about looking

49:54SPEAKERat operating systems, they could do more than Windows

49:55SPEAKERand fawning over them was just because

49:58SPEAKERthe Windows experience was so shitty, you know?

49:59SPEAKER- Well, it was, it was a weird,

50:01SPEAKERthat period of time in the late nineties was weird

50:03SPEAKER'cause both Windows sucked.

50:04SPEAKERI mean, Windows 95 was okay, but had huge problems.

50:08SPEAKERAnd Mac OS was terrible then too.

50:11SPEAKER- Yes, extremely.

50:12SPEAKER- So like the commercial options were bad

50:14SPEAKERand you had people like John Carmack talking about

50:16SPEAKERhow awesome Next was, and you had Nintendo building games

50:19SPEAKERwith SGI workstations and.

50:21SPEAKER- And I was even like, I was very curious about OS/2

50:25SPEAKERfor a long time, purely because like,

50:28SPEAKERespecially when computers were more limited

50:30SPEAKERthan they are now and you were upgrading constantly

50:32SPEAKERbecause they were so slow.

50:33SPEAKERLike you were trying to get as much out of your hardware

50:35SPEAKERas you could, right?

50:35SPEAKERAnd when you saw something like OS/2 that was like,

50:38SPEAKERyou know, hey, this has real preemptive multitasking.

50:40SPEAKERLike you can do so much more with the same hardware

50:42SPEAKERyou have if you run this way better operating system.

50:44SPEAKERI mean, there were some drawbacks to running OS/2,

50:48SPEAKERlet's say, but like, it was all of that was just,

50:50SPEAKERman, Windows really sucks ass.

50:52SPEAKERLike I wish I had something better.

50:54SPEAKER- Well, yeah, so OS/2, I ran OS/2.

50:56SPEAKERI bought a copy of OS/2 'cause it was warp.

51:00SPEAKER- Okay. - Which I think was four plus.

51:02SPEAKER- Okay.

51:05SPEAKER- I bought it at the school bookstore.

51:07SPEAKER- Oh.

51:08SPEAKER- Because it was $3 or $6 or something

51:10SPEAKER'cause we got like this student discount

51:11SPEAKERjust right off the top and it was bad.

51:15SPEAKERIt was, 'cause you only run Windows 3.1 software on it.

51:17SPEAKERYou couldn't run Windows 95 stuff.

51:19SPEAKERBut the point is like we're in that place again.

51:24SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

51:25SPEAKER- Like Windows is bad, OS/10 kind of a mess, but better.

51:29SPEAKER- Is it?

51:30SPEAKERI don't have a problem with it.

51:32SPEAKERI mean, I use it pretty, I'm using it right now.

51:34SPEAKER- Well, congratulations.

51:35SPEAKERI mean, people complain about it a lot,

51:36SPEAKERbut I don't have a Mac currently, so I don't know.

51:39SPEAKER- I will tell you it is light years better than,

51:42SPEAKERwell, maybe that's not the right way to put it.

51:45SPEAKERIt is light years less bad than Windows is.

51:47SPEAKERLet's say that.

51:49SPEAKERLike whatever issues may exist with current Mac OS

51:52SPEAKERare absolutely nothing compared to where Windows is at.

51:54SPEAKER- I think my issue, so my experience with Mac OS right now

51:57SPEAKERis mostly due to setting up my wife's Mac,

51:59SPEAKERhelping her with the computer problems.

52:01SPEAKERAnd like, I'm still frustrated by how much Mac OS

52:05SPEAKERis trying to sell you stuff, right?

52:07SPEAKERLike this is, I think the fundamental problem

52:10SPEAKERwith computing right now is that once Microsoft and Apple

52:14SPEAKERbuilt large captive audiences, the focus went from,

52:19SPEAKERhey, we need to make this thing better and more usable

52:21SPEAKERand more impactful to people's lives to,

52:23SPEAKERhey, what if we could extract $5 a month?

52:27SPEAKERBut you know what would be better

52:28SPEAKERthan extracting $5 a month?

52:29SPEAKERWhat about 30 bucks a month?

52:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, Apple would love to sell you an iCloud

52:33SPEAKERsubscription or Apple One, isn't that the name

52:35SPEAKERof their everything under the sun?

52:36SPEAKER- Yes, that's what they call it now.

52:37SPEAKER- Speaking of Apple News Plus, when I was like,

52:40SPEAKERwhen I looked at the price of Apple News Plus,

52:41SPEAKERI was like, maybe I should just get the Apple One,

52:42SPEAKERthe all-in-one one, although there are tiers of that.

52:46SPEAKEROf course, the news product is only on the absolute

52:49SPEAKERmost expensive tier, which I don't need at all.

52:51SPEAKER- You can also get fitness though,

52:53SPEAKERand then you can get your workouts with your robot trainer

52:58SPEAKERand yeah, I don't know, man.

53:00SPEAKER- The thing I'll say about Mac OS,

53:01SPEAKERit absolutely does not hit you over the head with upsells

53:04SPEAKERthe way that Windows currently does.

53:05SPEAKER- It does not, like Apple is not yet at the point

53:09SPEAKERwhere they have a thing in Finder that says,

53:13SPEAKERhey, you need to use Windows Backup, a OneDrive service.

53:16SPEAKER- Right, right, like they are not commandeering

53:19SPEAKERyour login process every 25 boots

53:23SPEAKERand giving you a full screen splash upsell

53:26SPEAKERthe way that Windows does, you know, like,

53:27SPEAKERhey, what if you signed up for Office 365,

53:29SPEAKEReven though you just use this computer to play games?

53:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:33SPEAKER- Anyway, the other one I'll say real quick

53:35SPEAKERis Sun is the other old computer company,

53:39SPEAKERbut that's the thing.

53:40SPEAKEROracle actually owns Sun and the Sun name and Solaris,

53:44SPEAKERalthough actually Solaris I think is slowly being retired.

53:47SPEAKER- Yeah, Solaris, yeah.

53:48SPEAKER- Like Java still exists, I mean, like I think the Sun,

53:51SPEAKERthe Sun brand and trademark are still technically in use

53:55SPEAKERand Oracle would send assassins to my house.

53:59SPEAKER- Yeah, you don't want Larry Ellison upset with you, man.

54:01SPEAKER- No, definitely not.

54:04SPEAKER- All right, here's another Tactical Tug one.

54:08SPEAKER- Oh wow, this is a threefer for Tactical Tug this week.

54:10SPEAKER- Do either of you have a favorite,

54:11SPEAKERoh shit, I'm old thing that's your go-to?

54:14SPEAKERMine was probably that I've got a guy at work,

54:16SPEAKERa full-time adult employee drives his own car and all

54:19SPEAKERwho is younger than the PS3.

54:21SPEAKER- Oh.

54:21SPEAKER- I turned 33 later this month,

54:23SPEAKERbut when he mentioned that I felt at least 70.

54:26SPEAKERAnother fun one is that COVID started spreading

54:28SPEAKERalmost six years ago, where did all that time go?

54:31SPEAKER- It just goes faster and faster, man.

54:33SPEAKER- Is that like an acknowledged cognitive phenomenon?

54:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:37SPEAKER- It is, it's not just me.

54:39SPEAKER- No, it's 'cause each season percentage wise

54:41SPEAKERis less of your life than the previous one was.

54:44SPEAKER- Yeah, like that, I think I only really noticed

54:47SPEAKERthat kicking into high gear,

54:49SPEAKERmaybe late thirties at the earliest,

54:50SPEAKERbut definitely once I got past 40,

54:52SPEAKERlike the accelerating nature of the passage of time

54:55SPEAKERor your perception of the passage of time,

54:57SPEAKERlike it just feels the older you get,

54:58SPEAKERthe faster it feels like time is going, it really sucks.

55:01SPEAKER- Having kids really accelerates that process too.

55:05SPEAKER- Sure, I could definitely see that.

55:07SPEAKERI had a fun one of these on this trip.

55:09SPEAKER- Okay.

55:10SPEAKER- Which is that I've had my '94 Civic

55:12SPEAKERout driving around quite a bit.

55:14SPEAKER- I had no idea you had a '94 Civic still.

55:16SPEAKER- Wait. - That's incredible.

55:17SPEAKERHaven't we never talked about this?

55:19SPEAKER- Have we not talked about this?

55:19SPEAKER- Well, I saw it on the Discord the other day,

55:21SPEAKERbut I didn't know better than that.

55:22SPEAKER- I could've sworn I had, maybe not, maybe not.

55:25SPEAKER- This is incredible information also, by the way.

55:28SPEAKERIt's not just a Civic, it is a red '94 Civic hatchback,

55:32SPEAKERmanual transmission, it's an SI model,

55:34SPEAKERso it's like the sporty one with the VTEC engine.

55:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:37SPEAKER- I think that's all the attributes of it,

55:39SPEAKERbut the magic part is it's got 100,000 miles on it.

55:42SPEAKER- Wow, really?

55:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've been out to three fast food places

55:46SPEAKERsince I've been here, and they were all the type

55:49SPEAKERwhere somebody will walk your food out to you.

55:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:52SPEAKER- In two of those three instances,

55:54SPEAKERand these were two different kids,

55:56SPEAKERthe kid who brought the food out

55:57SPEAKERwho looked like they had to be

55:59SPEAKERmaybe barely out of high school,

56:01SPEAKERprobably still in high school,

56:03SPEAKERboth flipped out over the car.

56:04SPEAKER- I bet.

56:05SPEAKER- Like, just lost their minds,

56:07SPEAKERlike, oh, there's this kid came out with braces

56:10SPEAKERcarrying my food, it's just like, dude, I love this thing.

56:13SPEAKERLook at this thing, it's spotless.

56:14SPEAKERLike, oh man, and it's a manual?

56:15SPEAKERLike, dang, bro, just losing it.

56:18SPEAKER- That is really funny.

56:20SPEAKER- It made me really happy to still have the car,

56:21SPEAKERbut also made me think, like, man,

56:23SPEAKERthis car is almost twice as old as this kid.

56:26SPEAKER- Well, yeah, and like, you couldn't drive that car here

56:27SPEAKER'cause it would get stolen in like 15 minutes, right?

56:30SPEAKER- So that exact thing came up on the Discord.

56:32SPEAKERWhen did I talk about this,

56:33SPEAKERthat this got discussed on the Discord?

56:35SPEAKER- Was it in one of the, I think it was in the thread.

56:37SPEAKER- Oh, we talked about the gasoline last week.

56:39SPEAKER- Oh, that's it. - That's what it was.

56:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah. - That's what it was.

56:41SPEAKERI still need to go deal with that gasoline, but.

56:43SPEAKER- Somebody suggested you should get a rental car

56:45SPEAKERand just deal with it that way.

56:46SPEAKER- Now, most people, let's say the majority of people

56:48SPEAKERon the Discord actually said you should,

56:50SPEAKERmy cousin, who is super into classic cars,

56:52SPEAKERlike, works on cars constantly,

56:53SPEAKERalso was just like, it's nine months old, it's fine,

56:56SPEAKERjust put a gallon or two at a time

56:57SPEAKERinto the various cars around the house

56:59SPEAKERon top of a fresh tank and just run it down.

57:02SPEAKERBut that exact thing, somebody like jokingly,

57:04SPEAKERI don't think they were super serious,

57:05SPEAKERbut they were like, they were like,

57:07SPEAKER"Come on, you know, you wanna just drive that Civic

57:09SPEAKERacross the country and have it with you

57:10SPEAKERin San Francisco, right?"

57:11SPEAKERAnd I was like, man, that car would not last a week

57:14SPEAKERin San Francisco, it would be gone.

57:18SPEAKER- Yeah, you'd need to get a real good club.

57:20SPEAKER- It would be gone. - The one that like,

57:21SPEAKERsticks out of both windows and is bolted onto the thing.

57:25SPEAKER- Like, I would never park it on the street full-time there.

57:28SPEAKERI would kind of be afraid to even park it on the street

57:31SPEAKERin the middle of the day there,

57:32SPEAKER'cause my understanding is like,

57:34SPEAKERthat type of mid-90s Civic is like,

57:36SPEAKERway up there on the list of the most stolen cars.

57:39SPEAKER- It's highly desirable and fairly easy to steal,

57:41SPEAKERis my understanding.

57:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I think my, so we have an intern at PC World

57:47SPEAKERwho was born in 2005.

57:49SPEAKER- Okay.

57:50SPEAKER- And I was told the other day

57:54SPEAKERthat playing battle royales was a Gen Z thing.

58:00SPEAKER- Okay.

58:01SPEAKER- And I was like, I don't know if I agree,

58:04SPEAKERI feel like Fortnite probably is a Gen Z thing,

58:07SPEAKERbut like, there was a period of time in 2017

58:09SPEAKERwhen you opened up Steam and everyone you've ever been

58:11SPEAKERfriends with on Steam was playing PUBG.

58:13SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

58:15SPEAKER- So I think it's just, it might've been the last

58:18SPEAKERwide cultural phenomena.

58:21SPEAKER- You might be right about that.

58:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

58:23SPEAKERI like, look, having a 12 year old kid

58:28SPEAKERmakes everything you do feel very old.

58:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see that for sure.

58:32SPEAKER- It's just a constant reminder of youth grinding you down.

58:37SPEAKER- Well, all right, speaking of the youth, one more question.

58:41SPEAKERParallax 55, I'm transitioning from teaching science

58:46SPEAKERto computer technology in my high school this year.

58:48SPEAKERAnd while I have some ideas,

58:50SPEAKERI'd love to get your guys' thoughts on some projects

58:52SPEAKERI could do with my students.

58:53SPEAKERWe've got a bunch of Arduinos handy.

58:55SPEAKERAnd I also ordered some Raspberry Pi zeros that just arrived.

58:59SPEAKERI have access to a suite of components, sensors, LEDs,

59:02SPEAKERand breadboards, but I'm fairly sure they won't allow us

59:05SPEAKERto solder anything in the classroom setting.

59:07SPEAKERAlso projects that could be broken down

59:09SPEAKERand the components reused would certainly be a plus.

59:13SPEAKERYou both seem to happily tool the way

59:14SPEAKERat a number of projects, so I value any input you may have.

59:18SPEAKER- So, okay, two things.

59:19SPEAKEROne is that you can get solderless breadboards

59:22SPEAKERthat are basically like breadboards

59:24SPEAKERthat instead of having solder points,

59:26SPEAKERthey just have a bunch of holes

59:27SPEAKERthat you jam jumper wires in with little pins on the end.

59:30SPEAKERAnd you can do those, you can get hats, solderless hats

59:34SPEAKERfor Arduinos and Raspberry Pis and stuff like that.

59:38SPEAKERI wanna say Adafruit or their blog that goes with Adafruit

59:42SPEAKERhas a really great curriculum for starting out with Arduino

59:46SPEAKERthat starts with, hey, you hook up to a breadboard,

59:50SPEAKERhere's how a breadboard works by doing a buzzer

59:54SPEAKERor an LED or something like that

59:55SPEAKERand turning it on and off with a simple C program.

1:00:00SPEAKERThe neat thing about Arduino stuff is it teaches you,

1:00:04SPEAKERit's a good way to learn C programming

1:00:06SPEAKERand the basics of stuff like loops and pointers

1:00:09SPEAKERand arrays and all that kind of business.

1:00:12SPEAKERAnd you also get to learn

1:00:15SPEAKERhow to do a little bit of electronic stuff.

1:00:18SPEAKERBut it turns like hardware,

1:00:20SPEAKERit turns like changing the real world

1:00:21SPEAKERinto a software problem,

1:00:22SPEAKERwhich is the, like that's the key to using this stuff,

1:00:26SPEAKERfor me at least, to learn how to do this stuff.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Yeah, like manipulating something physical with software,

1:00:32SPEAKERwhich is non-tangible.

1:00:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:35SPEAKER- This is kind of a magical thing.

1:00:37SPEAKER- So projects that I've done,

1:00:39SPEAKERlike I started out by doing, hey, here's a flashy light

1:00:42SPEAKERthat blinks every second

1:00:43SPEAKERand makes a buzz every second to sync.

1:00:46SPEAKERAnd then that, it turns out clock drift on Arduinos is bad.

1:00:49SPEAKERSo I had to get a special,

1:00:50SPEAKERI had to get a crystal with a timing crystal on it

1:00:54SPEAKERto get more accurate time.

1:00:56SPEAKERAnd then I changed over to doing a clapboard style timer.

1:01:01SPEAKERAnd like, if you have a project

1:01:02SPEAKERthat you can escalate over a period of time,

1:01:04SPEAKERthat's really good.

1:01:05SPEAKERIf you have to tear everything down every week

1:01:07SPEAKERafter the project,

1:01:07SPEAKERthen you need a series of individual one-offs

1:01:10SPEAKERthat you can then start from scratch and go on to the end.

1:01:14SPEAKERI also would investigate the soldering

1:01:16SPEAKER'cause it's worth learning,

1:01:17SPEAKERit's worth teaching the kids how to solder.

1:01:19SPEAKERYou can do it with no lead exposure now, which is important.

1:01:23SPEAKERYou wanna use non-leaded solder with kids especially,

1:01:25SPEAKERbut everywhere really.

1:01:28SPEAKERAnd you'd have to get like few muds and stuff like that

1:01:33SPEAKERor smoke filters or whatever.

1:01:37SPEAKERBut maybe that's more of a, hey, here's the class

1:01:39SPEAKERand then there's a club afterwards

1:01:41SPEAKERthat does projects that go...

1:01:43SPEAKERLike, I think there's a really interesting pairing

1:01:45SPEAKERthat I've seen some folks do where they do the club,

1:01:48SPEAKERwhich is the intro to,

1:01:49SPEAKERand then for people who are interested in doing

1:01:52SPEAKEReither their own projects

1:01:53SPEAKERunder like an independent study site situation

1:01:55SPEAKERor longer projects that can't be done in an hour a day,

1:02:00SPEAKERthen that's a good option for that kind of stuff too.

1:02:04SPEAKER- Sure.

1:02:04SPEAKERI endorse everything you just said.

1:02:06SPEAKEROne thing I might add,

1:02:07SPEAKERlike I'm definitely not going to go down the road

1:02:09SPEAKERof like, oh, Gen Z has no idea how to use,

1:02:12SPEAKERor Gen Alpha has no idea

1:02:13SPEAKERhow to use traditional computers anymore,

1:02:15SPEAKERbut it might be worth assessing the skill level

1:02:18SPEAKERof your students

1:02:19SPEAKERand like just teaching some basic modern computing skills

1:02:24SPEAKERat a really core level.

1:02:25SPEAKEROr maybe like a lot of the stuff you're describing here

1:02:27SPEAKERis very hardware centric.

1:02:28SPEAKERLike maybe getting a little more time in

1:02:30SPEAKERon the software end as well,

1:02:31SPEAKERwhether that's like exploring the nature of file systems

1:02:34SPEAKERor I don't know, help me out here.

1:02:37SPEAKERYou get the kind of thing I'm talking about though, right?

1:02:38SPEAKERLike just the basics of the underpinnings

1:02:41SPEAKERof an operating system

1:02:42SPEAKERand like the types of things that the average person

1:02:43SPEAKERdoesn't really interface with so much anymore.

1:02:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the nice thing

1:02:47SPEAKERabout doing these kinds of projects

1:02:50SPEAKERis you have to learn how to,

1:02:52SPEAKERlike you kind of have to learn how to do file structure stuff

1:02:54SPEAKERand some real basic stuff.

1:02:56SPEAKER- Sure.

1:02:57SPEAKER- Just because your thing won't compile

1:02:59SPEAKERand you won't have a way to get it onto the,

1:03:00SPEAKERto burn it onto the Arduino otherwise.

1:03:03SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:03:04SPEAKERAnd maybe you'll do some of this in line

1:03:05SPEAKERwith working with Arduinos.

1:03:07SPEAKERAnd if you've got Raspberry Pis,

1:03:08SPEAKERthe like kind of Unix basics, maybe a little bit,

1:03:11SPEAKERlike kind of basics of the standard Unix shell

1:03:15SPEAKERand like kind of like how to build software.

1:03:17SPEAKERI mean, you definitely would do that with Arduino.

1:03:20SPEAKER- Yeah, for- - Like coding type stuff.

1:03:22SPEAKER- For me, the thing, the Arduino is,

1:03:26SPEAKERhey, I want a switch that's smart, right?

1:03:28SPEAKERYou're not, you shouldn't, generally speaking,

1:03:30SPEAKERdo a bunch of computing stuff on our new Arduinos.

1:03:33SPEAKERYou can, but that's more advanced and more difficult.

1:03:35SPEAKERGenerally you want, hey, here's,

1:03:38SPEAKERI want to monitor some condition

1:03:39SPEAKERand I want this thing to happen when this condition changes.

1:03:42SPEAKERAnd that's pretty straightforward.

1:03:43SPEAKER- Right, but you'd be doing that

1:03:44SPEAKERon something like a Raspberry Pi or a PC, right?

1:03:48SPEAKER- Well, no, so you'd be doing that on an Arduino,

1:03:49SPEAKERbut it's like, it's a little computer

1:03:52SPEAKERthat has like a hall effect sensor that you,

1:03:55SPEAKERlike if you want to make a,

1:03:56SPEAKERif you want to trigger something that triggers

1:03:57SPEAKERwhen you open a door, right?

1:03:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, no, I know what the Arduino does.

1:04:00SPEAKERWhat I mean is like,

1:04:01SPEAKERwhere are you writing the software for the Arduino?

1:04:03SPEAKERLike you're not doing that on the Arduino, right?

1:04:04SPEAKER- Well, you're doing that on a computer.

1:04:05SPEAKER- That's what I meant, that's what I meant.

1:04:08SPEAKERWhat I meant is the development environment

1:04:09SPEAKERfor the Arduino is going to be on a Pi or a PC or something.

1:04:12SPEAKERAnd so you'll probably get some like shell experience

1:04:14SPEAKERand some compiling,

1:04:16SPEAKERwriting and compiling software experience there

1:04:17SPEAKERin the course of doing that.

1:04:19SPEAKER- Kind of the way, the way you start with Arduino generally

1:04:22SPEAKERis by writing these little sketches

1:04:23SPEAKERthat are basically like C-esque programs.

1:04:28SPEAKERAnd you can, you can invoke libraries and stuff like that.

1:04:31SPEAKERSo, so like there's a really good argument

1:04:34SPEAKERfor learning C by doing a series

1:04:37SPEAKERof escalating Arduino projects.

1:04:39SPEAKERIn the same way that like the farmer was replaced,

1:04:41SPEAKERteaches you Python by solving a series

1:04:43SPEAKERof like onscreen computer problems.

1:04:45SPEAKERIt's the same basic idea.

1:04:47SPEAKERThe, when you want to do something that's more complicated,

1:04:49SPEAKERthat is like a server that runs some software,

1:04:53SPEAKERthat's when you get into the Raspberry Pi stuff.

1:04:55SPEAKERAnd, and it's, it's generally much more complicated

1:04:59SPEAKERand a little more like you have to have

1:05:01SPEAKERa pretty good understanding of how to write software

1:05:03SPEAKERto do the Raspberry Pi stuff in my experience.

1:05:05SPEAKER- Sure.

1:05:06SPEAKER- Now, the other interesting thing about Raspberry Pi though

1:05:09SPEAKERis there's a lot of off the shelf applications,

1:05:11SPEAKERstuff like Pi holes and things like that,

1:05:13SPEAKERthat you can, that you can run on a Raspberry.

1:05:16SPEAKERLike you can, it's relatively easy

1:05:18SPEAKERto build a Raspberry Pi powered emulation machine.

1:05:22SPEAKERAnd like, that's an interesting,

1:05:24SPEAKERthat's an interesting electronics slash computing project.

1:05:28SPEAKERYou're like, if you want to make a machine

1:05:29SPEAKERthat plays Donkey Kong in the, in your lab.

1:05:31SPEAKERSo like, you know, like there's,

1:05:34SPEAKERthere's a lot of different opportunities.

1:05:36SPEAKERThe thing to look for, there's on the explore

1:05:38SPEAKERand learn tab on Adafruit's, on learn.adafruit.com.

1:05:43SPEAKERThey have a ton of stuff, including a whole section

1:05:46SPEAKERfor educators that runs you through,

1:05:49SPEAKERlike there's a bazillion lessons that you can use.

1:05:52SPEAKERAnd, and there's, I can't find it out while we're recording,

1:05:56SPEAKERbut there, if I recall, there was an escalation

1:05:58SPEAKERthat's like, hey, if you want to do an Arduino program,

1:06:02SPEAKERhere's 20 lessons for your weekly class for this,

1:06:05SPEAKERfor a year's curriculum or whatever.

1:06:07SPEAKER- That's cool.

1:06:08SPEAKERThat sounds like a good resource.

1:06:10SPEAKERI started to say, I really wish I had been able

1:06:12SPEAKERto take this class when I was in high school.

1:06:14SPEAKERAlthough frankly, I have to actually shout out

1:06:16SPEAKERlike the level of computing education

1:06:19SPEAKERthat I was able to get in this relatively small town

1:06:22SPEAKERpublic school system is like pretty shockingly good

1:06:25SPEAKERfor the eighties and nineties.

1:06:26SPEAKER- So we didn't have that Tennessee funded,

1:06:30SPEAKERfunded slightly better than Arkansas.

1:06:32SPEAKER- Yeah. Yikes. Okay.

1:06:35SPEAKERYou were right there across the border,

1:06:37SPEAKERbut it was like a world of difference, I guess.

1:06:39SPEAKER- Yep. Yeah.

1:06:40SPEAKER- We had a few, we had a few Apple IIe's

1:06:42SPEAKERin our, in our grade school.

1:06:44SPEAKER- We had, we had one Apple IIe in our grade school.

1:06:46SPEAKERIt was in the teacher's like workroom where,

1:06:49SPEAKERwhere the mimeograph and the paper cutters were.

1:06:52SPEAKERI got, I annoyed my sixth grade, fifth grade teacher enough

1:06:55SPEAKERthat he talked to the principal

1:06:57SPEAKERand the solution for getting me out of the classroom

1:07:00SPEAKERand telling him when he was fucking up science education

1:07:03SPEAKERwas that I got to go fuck around on the computer

1:07:05SPEAKERfor a couple hours, twice a week.

1:07:07SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

1:07:08SPEAKER- It worked out.

1:07:09SPEAKER- Wait, so that computer was just for teacher use officially?

1:07:11SPEAKER- Teacher use only and also me sometimes.

1:07:14SPEAKER- Okay. We had, we had a little lab of like 10 IIe's

1:07:17SPEAKERor something that we shared.

1:07:18SPEAKERWe got to go do like once every couple of weeks or something.

1:07:21SPEAKER- We had TI 99 4a's in every classroom.

1:07:24SPEAKER- Okay.

1:07:25SPEAKER- So you would get to go play hunt the wumpus or hangman

1:07:27SPEAKERif you, if you, that was a reward for good behavior.

1:07:30SPEAKER- Yeah. Granted this, to be fair,

1:07:31SPEAKERthis was when the Apple II was like over 10 years old

1:07:34SPEAKERby the time.

1:07:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:36SPEAKER- By the time I was old enough for that stuff.

1:07:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:38SPEAKER- But then like I had a, I had a programming class.

1:07:42SPEAKERWe learned like basic and Pascal when I was in 10th grade

1:07:45SPEAKERor something, I think.

1:07:47SPEAKER- We had a Pascal class, but I did not.

1:07:52SPEAKERI, at that point I evaluated whether I wanted to learn

1:07:54SPEAKERPascal and it didn't seem super useful.

1:07:58SPEAKERIf only I'd taken Fortran.

1:08:00SPEAKER- Somebody's angry hearing you say that about Pascal.

1:08:02SPEAKER- Sorry, Pascal people.

1:08:04SPEAKER- Yes.

1:08:05SPEAKERAnyway, shout out to, shout out to computing educators,

1:08:07SPEAKEReducators and education, stuff can be quite formative.

1:08:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:13SPEAKER- So I learned, I learned to type on a gigantic ass,

1:08:15SPEAKERlike IBM model M or what's the other one, model F.

1:08:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:19SPEAKER- Like the, the, the one you could brain somebody with.

1:08:22SPEAKER- That sounds nice.

1:08:23SPEAKER- The typing class had typewriters with no labels

1:08:26SPEAKERon the keys.

1:08:27SPEAKER- Man.

1:08:28SPEAKEROh, hey, they were just really testing your metal.

1:08:30SPEAKER- I mean, we were pretty hardcore.

1:08:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:33SPEAKERAll right.

1:08:34SPEAKERThat's it for questions.

1:08:35SPEAKER- That's what you got?

1:08:36SPEAKER- I kind of could sit here and reminisce for another 10

1:08:38SPEAKERminutes about my public school computing experience,

1:08:40SPEAKERbut let's wrap it up there.

1:08:42SPEAKER- I feel like we took, like I had a basic class

1:08:46SPEAKERin middle school that the entirety of it was learning

1:08:48SPEAKERhow to make a bitmap that was like a 16 by 16 bitmap.

1:08:52SPEAKER- Man, in basic, that's pretty advanced.

1:08:54SPEAKERThat's cool.

1:08:55SPEAKER- And then drawing, navigating a maze,

1:08:57SPEAKERlike falling, falling all the right walls.

1:08:59SPEAKER- But I think that's probably a little more advanced

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1:09:04SPEAKERprobably mostly building your like average text-based

1:09:06SPEAKERlemonade stand program and so forth.

1:09:08SPEAKER- That seems right.

1:09:09SPEAKERYeah.

1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

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1:11:11SPEAKER- We do, and we wouldn't.

1:11:13SPEAKER- I saw a long time,

1:11:18SPEAKERsomebody I used to play on the future US,

1:11:21SPEAKERback in the Maximum PC days on our TF2 beer league clan,

1:11:29SPEAKERpopped up in the Discord the other day,

1:11:30SPEAKERand I was very excited.

1:11:32SPEAKER- That's fun, that's very fun.

1:11:34SPEAKER- Yeah, we played in a CPL feeder league, 5v5 and 7v7s.

1:11:41SPEAKER- Man, CPL, that's a throwback.

1:11:44SPEAKER- Yeah, but it was very clearly a fun league, right?

1:11:47SPEAKERIt was not like, there was no chance

1:11:49SPEAKERwe were gonna go to any real tournaments, but it was fun.

1:11:51SPEAKERWe played like twice a week

1:11:52SPEAKERand had practices and everything.

1:11:54SPEAKER- What was CPL, Cyber Professional League?

1:11:56SPEAKER- Cyber, cyber-

1:11:58SPEAKER- Is that right?

1:11:59SPEAKER- Cyber Game Professional League, or yeah.

1:12:01SPEAKER- What was the other one?

1:12:03SPEAKERIt was CPL, and there was another one

1:12:04SPEAKERwith an acronym at the same time.

1:12:05SPEAKERThere was like the competing league.

1:12:06SPEAKER- And there were a bunch.

1:12:07SPEAKERThe Angel Munoz one is the other one, right?

1:12:09SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly the one I'm trying to think of.

1:12:12SPEAKER- Oh no, Cyber Athlete Professional League, it was his.

1:12:15SPEAKER- Oh, that was his?

1:12:16SPEAKEROkay. - Yeah.

1:12:17SPEAKER- I don't remember what the other one was though.

1:12:19SPEAKERIt was a weird time.

1:12:20SPEAKER- Everybody was trying to get in

1:12:22SPEAKERon that land grab of Proto Esports.

1:12:24SPEAKER- Yep, who knew?

1:12:25SPEAKER- Just about 20 years, 20 years ahead of their time.

1:12:27SPEAKER- Who knew it was just gonna take Blizzard

1:12:29SPEAKERowning everything with the Overwatch League?

1:12:32SPEAKER- No.

1:12:33SPEAKER- The only Esports, what matters?

1:12:36SPEAKERThat'll do it for us this week.

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