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296: The Slopposite

2025-07-20 · 53:59

00:00SPEAKER- Brad, I'm 10 years into working from home this year.

00:03SPEAKER- Really?

00:04SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I started when I left Tested in 2015.

00:06SPEAKER- Of course. - It was 2025.

00:07SPEAKER- Like, Fu, you were the original self-employed

00:10SPEAKERstart a company and work from home guy.

00:12SPEAKER- I invented this.

00:14SPEAKER- Nobody ever worked from home before 2015, that's right.

00:17SPEAKER- Nope, only shiftless layabouts

00:19SPEAKERand people who were stealing time from the company.

00:23SPEAKERBut like, so I've been going back into the office

00:26SPEAKERfor the last year or so, a couple days a week,

00:28SPEAKERto help with PC World and it's nice being back in the office

00:32SPEAKERand I realized like, okay, it's nice to have like an idea

00:36SPEAKERof what your coworkers three-dimensional faces look like.

00:39SPEAKER- Yes.

00:40SPEAKER- I worked with some people at Straight Bombay

00:41SPEAKERthat I talked to for hours every day

00:44SPEAKERthat I don't think I would recognize

00:46SPEAKERif I cross them on the street

00:47SPEAKER'cause they were camera off people.

00:48SPEAKER- Oh, wow. - Yeah.

00:50SPEAKER- As a rule?

00:51SPEAKER- Almost all the time.

00:52SPEAKER- Man, okay.

00:53SPEAKER- And then--

00:54SPEAKER- Even in like a one-on-one situation?

00:56SPEAKER- Sometimes I'd turn it on a one-on-one,

00:57SPEAKERbut often it was just like,

00:59SPEAKER'cause often you'd be sharing your screen,

01:01SPEAKERso it's like the thing you're looking at as a screen,

01:02SPEAKERnot the other person.

01:04SPEAKER- Sure.

01:06SPEAKER- But like more than the three-dimensional representations

01:08SPEAKERof your coworkers faces and like going to lunch with people

01:12SPEAKERand talking at the water cooler or whatever,

01:15SPEAKERI miss the crap table.

01:16SPEAKER- The crap table.

01:18SPEAKER- Did you have a crap table at GameSpot?

01:20SPEAKERLike the, you know, it's like the table

01:22SPEAKERwhere people bring their crap that's too good to throw away,

01:25SPEAKERbut not so good that you wanna keep it?

01:26SPEAKER- I think you could argue that maybe

01:28SPEAKERthe entire office was the crap table.

01:30SPEAKER- I didn't wanna say that.

01:31SPEAKERThere was a pile kind of over by the giant bomb pit

01:34SPEAKERat the last, back at the end of the CBSI days.

01:37SPEAKER- Sure, yes.

01:38SPEAKERThere was so much stuff coming into that office

01:40SPEAKERthat I think it was basically a kind of a crap office,

01:42SPEAKERif you get my meaning.

01:43SPEAKER- Well, 'cause like that's the problem,

01:44SPEAKERlike the problem doing these kinds of jobs

01:47SPEAKERwhere people, where like everything you get

01:49SPEAKERis not something you have to spend money on.

01:51SPEAKERLike people send us stuff because they want us to cover it.

01:54SPEAKERAnd even though I say no to almost everything that I get now,

01:58SPEAKERI often will go to an event and like,

02:00SPEAKERI got a cool Mario Kart World poster

02:02SPEAKERwhen I went to the Nintendo thing.

02:03SPEAKERAnd like, I'm never gonna,

02:04SPEAKERI don't want that Mario Kart World poster.

02:07SPEAKERNever gonna use it.

02:08SPEAKERI don't care enough about it to put it on eBay

02:09SPEAKERand sell it for 15 bucks for the person who does,

02:12SPEAKER'cause it was like a launch exclusive

02:13SPEAKERof the Nintendo World Store.

02:15SPEAKER- Of course.

02:16SPEAKER- But like, I would put that on the crap table at the office

02:19SPEAKERand it would go away and it would go to somebody who's like,

02:22SPEAKERat the very least their kid would be stoked

02:24SPEAKERto hang it on the wall of their room.

02:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,

02:27SPEAKERit's still a perfectly good Mario Kart poster.

02:29SPEAKER- Yeah, like did I have a Mario Kart poster like that

02:31SPEAKERwhen I was a kid?

02:31SPEAKERNo, Mario Kart didn't exist when I was a kid.

02:33SPEAKERBut if it had, would I want one?

02:35SPEAKERAbsolutely.

02:37SPEAKERAnd like the work from home people

02:40SPEAKERneed a solution for this, so I have an idea.

02:43SPEAKER- Oh.

02:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm not just bringing problems today,

02:46SPEAKERI'm bringing solutions.

02:47SPEAKER- Now, do you wanna say it out loud?

02:48SPEAKERIs this a billion dollar business opportunity?

02:51SPEAKER- I do not think this is a billion dollar

02:52SPEAKERbusiness opportunity.

02:53SPEAKER- Hang on, can we spit ball the,

02:55SPEAKERcan we spit ball the name for your crap table startup?

02:58SPEAKER- I have a pretty good name, but okay.

03:00SPEAKER- Can we just call it Crappio?

03:02SPEAKER- Okay, well that, crap.io is a possibility,

03:05SPEAKERthat's not bad.

03:06SPEAKER- Or like maybe you're like ripped

03:07SPEAKERfrom the headline situation, like Craponomer.

03:10SPEAKER- Okay, Craponomer.

03:12SPEAKERI don't wanna associate with those people,

03:13SPEAKERI don't think they're-

03:14SPEAKER- No, probably not.

03:15SPEAKER- They're getting dunked on by the whole internet

03:17SPEAKERin a way that's starting to feel mean instead of hilarious.

03:19SPEAKER- That is the most, that is some classic Twitter,

03:21SPEAKERnot to derail this, that is some classic Twitter

03:23SPEAKERmain character action, like I have not seen in a minute.

03:26SPEAKER- I gotta say though, I'm worried that maybe Blue Sky

03:29SPEAKERdoesn't have the juice after all,

03:31SPEAKER'cause I sent the link to that to my wife yesterday,

03:33SPEAKERand she was like, "Oh yeah, I saw this today before."

03:34SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh, crap!"

03:36SPEAKER- Yep, yep, anyways.

03:37SPEAKER- Not the first, okay, so here's my idea.

03:39SPEAKER- Yeah, let's hear it.

03:40SPEAKER- You know, those little free libraries

03:42SPEAKERhave popped up all over the place, right?

03:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah.

03:45SPEAKER- So I think I'm gonna start the little free crap table.

03:48SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

03:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:50SPEAKER- All right, well, it can't just be a table,

03:52SPEAKERyou don't want it exposed to the elements, like.

03:54SPEAKER- Eh, do I?

03:56SPEAKER- Okay, oh, you know what?

03:58SPEAKERMaybe that's what the crap deserves.

03:59SPEAKER- Yeah, like I think the little free crap table

04:02SPEAKERis just a thing that lives out in people's front yards,

04:05SPEAKERand maybe you put a little hutch over it

04:07SPEAKERif you wanna make it classy.

04:08SPEAKER- All right.

04:09SPEAKER- But like you can put your old video card there,

04:11SPEAKERif you get a new mouse pad,

04:13SPEAKERyou can put your old mouse pad there.

04:14SPEAKER- Yes, the branded mouse pad was the first thing

04:16SPEAKERthat came to mind when you talked about the crap table.

04:18SPEAKERLike that is the type of thing that goes on that table

04:21SPEAKERis like, you know, it is a mouse pad,

04:23SPEAKERit's maybe not the nicest one ever made,

04:24SPEAKERbut somebody might find some use for it.

04:27SPEAKER- Don't pick up USB thumb drives

04:28SPEAKERoff the little free crap table though.

04:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

04:32SPEAKERSage advice.

04:33SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:36SPEAKEROkay, pop quiz hotshot.

04:38SPEAKER- Oh boy, you're gonna shoot me in the shoulder?

04:40SPEAKER- No, sorry, that was maybe a little agro for this question.

04:44SPEAKERI am going to put your knowledge of petrochemicals

04:46SPEAKERto the test here.

04:47SPEAKER- Okay.

04:48SPEAKER- I'm back home.

04:50SPEAKERI'm back home this week for the first time

04:51SPEAKERsince the hurricane.

04:52SPEAKERSo there's a lot of post hurricane stuff to follow up on.

04:56SPEAKERSome of which let's say should have been followed up on

04:58SPEAKERprobably about seven months ago.

05:01SPEAKER- Okay.

05:02SPEAKER- But anyway, one of those is how would you feel,

05:06SPEAKERhow would you feel if there were like say somewhere

05:09SPEAKERbetween 10 and 20 gallons of gasoline

05:12SPEAKERsitting in cans out in the garage?

05:14SPEAKER- Oh, are they like actual gasoline cans?

05:18SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, it is gas that we went and drew

05:20SPEAKERfor the generator here that then didn't get dealt with.

05:23SPEAKERThings were very chaotic at that time,

05:24SPEAKERlike flights were in and out.

05:26SPEAKERLike there was so much to do that let's say

05:27SPEAKERnobody prioritized dealing with the excess gasoline

05:30SPEAKERthat was just sitting around in cans

05:32SPEAKERonce the power came back on.

05:34SPEAKER- And is it just normal like car gasoline

05:36SPEAKERor have you added like two strip oil and stuff to it already?

05:38SPEAKER- It's straight out of the pump.

05:40SPEAKERI think it was 87 octane.

05:42SPEAKER- Okay. - If I had to remember,

05:45SPEAKERwhich I can't quite, we did not put stabilizer in it.

05:47SPEAKERThat's the, I know that's the pertinent question.

05:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say that was the next question.

05:51SPEAKER- So I think we're from the little bit I've looked up

05:53SPEAKERand I've got a couple of family members

05:54SPEAKERthat are big into cars and stuff

05:56SPEAKERand I will talk to them about it.

05:58SPEAKER- Big gas fans.

05:59SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.

06:00SPEAKERSome real gas heads around here.

06:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:03SPEAKER- But like I kinda wanted to see what you knew,

06:04SPEAKERbut from a little bit I've looked online,

06:06SPEAKERit looks like we're in kind of a,

06:08SPEAKERlike a gray in between area where it's like,

06:11SPEAKEReverything I saw was like, oh, gas starts to break down

06:13SPEAKERat about six months

06:14SPEAKERif you haven't put any kind of stabilizer in it.

06:17SPEAKERBut well, let's see, we're about nine months, I think,

06:20SPEAKERsince this gas was pumped.

06:21SPEAKER- You're in the, okay, so on a two-stroke motor,

06:27SPEAKERI would go nuts, I think.

06:29SPEAKERSo like a lawnmower or weed eater or chainsaw

06:31SPEAKERor something like that.

06:32SPEAKERSomething that's real loud and obnoxious

06:33SPEAKERand makes a lot of black smoke.

06:35SPEAKER- Okay.

06:36SPEAKER- Because they deal with it better.

06:38SPEAKERAnd also you put the oil in there

06:39SPEAKERand it like works itself out.

06:42SPEAKERPeople are gonna yell at me in the comments

06:43SPEAKER'cause that's like, that's like redneck farm advice,

06:46SPEAKERnot good advice.

06:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah, sure, a lot of them are territory.

06:50SPEAKER- Yeah, the manual absolutely says, don't do that

06:53SPEAKERand to dispose of that.

06:55SPEAKERI don't actually know how you dispose of gas

06:59SPEAKERin the modern era.

07:00SPEAKER'Cause like, I shouldn't say this,

07:03SPEAKERbut when I was a kid and I would go-

07:06SPEAKER- I think I know where this is going.

07:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it got sent back to the earth, right?

07:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's where it came from.

07:11SPEAKER- There was just a spot where you poured the,

07:14SPEAKERand that's bad, don't do that.

07:15SPEAKERThat's super bad for a whole host of reasons.

07:17SPEAKER- Yeah, everything I could find about that

07:19SPEAKERwas that you need to arrange arrangements

07:22SPEAKERwith somebody who can dispose of it responsibly,

07:24SPEAKERwhether it's the county or some private entity.

07:27SPEAKER- I was gonna say the other way you could do it,

07:28SPEAKERand you should never do this either.

07:30SPEAKER'Cause like, well, okay, so look,

07:33SPEAKERif you want to make a fire,

07:35SPEAKERpeople who don't know better use gasoline to do that, right?

07:39SPEAKER- Okay, even I, look, I'm not,

07:41SPEAKERI don't have a lot of fuel experience under my belt,

07:44SPEAKERbut even I know better than that.

07:45SPEAKER- Yeah, the reason you don't do that

07:46SPEAKERis 'cause gas vapors combine with air

07:48SPEAKERand they make a fuel air bomb,

07:49SPEAKERand like the fire ignites about a foot or two out

07:54SPEAKERfrom where the gas is actually poured.

07:56SPEAKER- My fuel air bomb is one of those phrases

07:58SPEAKERyou really only want to hear in a military context.

08:00SPEAKER- Often you see people with no eyebrows

08:02SPEAKERand it's because they lit their brush fire with gasoline

08:04SPEAKERinstead of kerosene or fuel oil

08:06SPEAKERor something that's a little bit less explosive.

08:08SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway, the TLDR is,

08:12SPEAKERI'd probably find someplace to dispose of that gas.

08:14SPEAKERAnd you might be able to just take it

08:15SPEAKERto your local gas station,

08:16SPEAKERespecially if you don't care about getting the cans back.

08:18SPEAKER- Maybe, I did read, I mean,

08:20SPEAKERthis may also set off a number of comments.

08:23SPEAKERI kind of got the sense

08:25SPEAKERthat the gas might still be new enough,

08:27SPEAKERthat we might be able to add it like a gallon at a time

08:30SPEAKERto the car tank.

08:31SPEAKER- Mix it in with like good gas?

08:33SPEAKER- On top of like a good fill up from the station,

08:35SPEAKERmaybe just kind of-

08:37SPEAKER- So here's the, there's some math you do here.

08:40SPEAKERAnd the math is how expensive is it going to be

08:42SPEAKERto replace your fuel injectors

08:45SPEAKERversus just get rid of the shitty gas?

08:49SPEAKERIt's not worth the $4 you're losing on the gas.

08:52SPEAKER- Again, I'm not trying to save the money.

08:53SPEAKERIt's the hassle of trying to find somebody

08:56SPEAKERwho will take it and get rid of it for us.

08:58SPEAKERIt seems like it might be kind of a chore.

09:00SPEAKER- I bet you can call your local like hazardous waste,

09:04SPEAKERlike they have a,

09:05SPEAKERhey, here's where you take the Roundup

09:07SPEAKERand the, 'cause like that part of the country,

09:10SPEAKERI guarantee you that there's somebody in your neighborhood

09:12SPEAKERthat has a shed full of Agent Orange

09:14SPEAKERor something really, really bad.

09:15SPEAKER- That's probably true.

09:16SPEAKER- And like, if you call the people

09:18SPEAKERthat have to deal with that business,

09:19SPEAKERyou're like, hey man, we just have some 87 octane here

09:21SPEAKERthat's like nine months old.

09:22SPEAKERThey'll be like, don't, we got you.

09:24SPEAKER- That's their bread and butter.

09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gonna be like the time I called poison control

09:28SPEAKER'cause my kid ate a couple of sticks of chalk

09:32SPEAKERand I was like, is this a problem?

09:34SPEAKERThey were like, well,

09:35SPEAKERI mean, she's gonna have a real bad stomach ache,

09:36SPEAKERbut no, she's not gonna die.

09:37SPEAKERYou're fine, it's just chalk.

09:39SPEAKERIt's the same thing as in Tums or something.

09:41SPEAKERAnd they laughed.

09:42SPEAKER- Okay, all right.

09:44SPEAKERWell, all right, that's something to get started on.

09:46SPEAKERI guess I won't even bring up the fact

09:47SPEAKERthat a lot of that gas is also still sitting

09:49SPEAKERin that generator,

09:50SPEAKERwhich is a whole other can of worms to deal with.

09:53SPEAKER- Well, so I was gonna say the nice thing

09:54SPEAKERabout the generator is you can dump the generator out.

09:57SPEAKER- So you can, yes, you can drain.

09:59SPEAKERIt's gotta drain on the tank, but my understanding,

10:01SPEAKERand again, I barely know engines at all,

10:03SPEAKERbut my understanding is some of that old gas

10:05SPEAKERis like in the engine in a way that-

10:07SPEAKER- It'll be in the fuel lines, yeah, yeah.

10:09SPEAKER- Right, like I read it could be bad for the carburetor

10:12SPEAKERto start that up, even to run down what's in there.

10:14SPEAKER- Yeah, but so if you look at your,

10:17SPEAKERif you look at the manual for that thing,

10:18SPEAKERit'll probably tell you how to drain the fuel lines

10:20SPEAKERand get like, here's the thing.

10:23SPEAKERWhen you crank that, when you crank the,

10:25SPEAKERI don't know if this is an electric starter or a puller

10:27SPEAKERor whatever, but it's gonna push a certain amount of gas

10:31SPEAKERthrough when it's like trying to start.

10:35SPEAKERAnd you'll, if you drain the tank and empty out the lines

10:38SPEAKERand all that stuff, it'll get through that

10:40SPEAKERbefore you get to the, like, it'll be fine.

10:42SPEAKER- Okay, all right, it'll be fine.

10:44SPEAKER- It'll be fine, don't worry about it too much.

10:45SPEAKERPlus it's probably a four-stroke for a generator.

10:49SPEAKERIt's quiet.

10:50SPEAKER- You were asking questions above my head at this point.

10:53SPEAKERWell, hey, I'll look at the manual, what could go wrong?

10:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:56SPEAKER(upbeat music)

10:59SPEAKERCan we talk about car charging etiquette?

11:01SPEAKER- We can talk about anything you want, but especially that.

11:04SPEAKER- So I, my daughter's been at camp this week.

11:07SPEAKERWe've been driving a little bit more than normal

11:09SPEAKERand I was out and about, and I was like,

11:11SPEAKERI'm gonna run by the car chargers to top off the car

11:15SPEAKERjust because, you know, we usually charge all the way up

11:17SPEAKERat home and it's fine.

11:19SPEAKERBut this week I wanted to just get,

11:20SPEAKERI want to get a little more juice in there, you know?

11:22SPEAKERAnd I rolled in and there was somebody with a plug-in hybrid

11:26SPEAKERin one of the spots for the fast chargers.

11:31SPEAKERPlug-in hybrids have batteries that let them go

11:33SPEAKERabout 20 miles and they also have gasoline in their car

11:36SPEAKERthat makes them drive the rest of the time

11:37SPEAKERwhen the battery's empty.

11:38SPEAKER- God, is that really, are the batteries really

11:40SPEAKERthat small in a high point?

11:41SPEAKER- 20 to 50, yeah.

11:42SPEAKER- I am.

11:43SPEAKER- It's just to recoup, like, it's just to gain energy back.

11:48SPEAKERLike this, look, there's a whole host of reasons

11:50SPEAKERwhy plug-in hybrids are not a great choice.

11:53SPEAKERAnd the plug-in hybrids, especially,

11:55SPEAKERjust add a bunch of weight to the car

11:56SPEAKERthat doesn't really give you a whole lot of benefit

11:58SPEAKERunless you really only drive like 20 miles a day.

12:01SPEAKERAnd I just think anybody who's driving one of those cars

12:06SPEAKERand parks in one of the charge spaces at like,

12:08SPEAKERthis was like, it happens at the mall all the time.

12:11SPEAKERYou'll see somebody with a shitty BMW

12:14SPEAKERwith a hybrid plug-in charger

12:16SPEAKERand they're just sitting in the space

12:18SPEAKERthat like somebody who their only source of energy

12:23SPEAKERis electricity could be using.

12:25SPEAKER- Yeah, how long could that tiny battery

12:27SPEAKERtake to charge on a fast charger?

12:28SPEAKER- No time.

12:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:30SPEAKER- And guess what?

12:31SPEAKERIt's gonna be there for four hours

12:32SPEAKER'cause those spaces are really good

12:34SPEAKERand near the front, usually.

12:35SPEAKER- They went to see a movie.

12:37SPEAKER- Yep, yep, they're having lunch.

12:40SPEAKERI maybe swung by the gym, hit the grocery store afterwards.

12:44SPEAKERI just, like, I wish they would put the charging spaces

12:47SPEAKERas far as possible from the desirable spaces.

12:51SPEAKER- Sure.

12:52SPEAKER- 'Cause like, at Target,

12:53SPEAKERthere's a bunch of level two chargers, which aren't great,

12:55SPEAKERbut like, if you're in Target for two hours,

12:57SPEAKERyou'll get a little bit of juice and they're free,

12:59SPEAKERbut they're also the closest spaces to the shopping center

13:02SPEAKERbecause that's where the,

13:03SPEAKERthat was the easiest place to get electricity to.

13:06SPEAKERAnd as a result,

13:07SPEAKEReither people who don't have electric cars park in them

13:10SPEAKERor people who have plug-in hybrids sit there

13:13SPEAKERand they're like, I'm gonna get my 20 minutes,

13:15SPEAKER20 miles of free charge here.

13:17SPEAKER- That's right.

13:18SPEAKER- Like, your free charge takes me eight seconds to get.

13:22SPEAKERJust leave, go away.

13:23SPEAKER- Now, how passive aggressive

13:24SPEAKERare you looking to get about this?

13:27SPEAKER- Look, I thought- - Would you ever leave a note?

13:29SPEAKER- Friend of the show, Gary Witte,

13:30SPEAKERused to have these cards that he carried around with him

13:33SPEAKERthat said you park like shit

13:34SPEAKERthat he put on people's windshields that parked like shit.

13:38SPEAKER- 'Cause I don't even know

13:39SPEAKERif that qualifies as passive aggressive.

13:41SPEAKERThat might be actively aggressive.

13:42SPEAKER- I feel like that's actively aggressive.

13:43SPEAKERI don't know if I wanna go quite that far,

13:46SPEAKERbut like, I feel like maybe people don't understand

13:53SPEAKERthe level of hassle that they're causing when they do that.

13:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess if you wanna be charitable,

14:00SPEAKERI mean, like this whole electric,

14:03SPEAKERwhether entirely electric or partially electric vehicle thing

14:05SPEAKERis still somewhat new and maybe they don't know,

14:07SPEAKERor maybe they're just assholes.

14:09SPEAKER- Look, we've been in the valley before driving to LA

14:12SPEAKERand some piece of shit with a giant pickup truck

14:15SPEAKERactively parks in the electric charge only spaces.

14:19SPEAKERAnd I'm pretty comfortable assuming that they're assholes.

14:23SPEAKER- Wait, hang on.

14:24SPEAKERIs that an entirely combustion engine driven truck?

14:26SPEAKER- Uh-huh. - What?

14:28SPEAKER- Usually they have bumper stickers

14:29SPEAKERthat indicate a political affiliation, Brad.

14:31SPEAKER- Okay, they probably rolled some coal

14:33SPEAKERon the way into that space.

14:34SPEAKER- I don't know about that,

14:35SPEAKERbut it's never the Harris voters

14:38SPEAKERthat are like I'm taking the electric vehicle space

14:40SPEAKERwith my gas engine car.

14:42SPEAKER- Well, look, it's a new era.

14:43SPEAKERThere's a whole, a whole new stack of social mores

14:46SPEAKERto iron out over this thing.

14:50SPEAKER- I'd rather just deal with the regular mores, please.

14:53SPEAKERThe eels.

14:57SPEAKERI realized why I don't like getting my hair cut anymore.

15:01SPEAKER- Oh?

15:02SPEAKER- And it's not because there's less of it

15:03SPEAKERthan there used to be.

15:04SPEAKERAlthough, I mean, you know, that is.

15:06SPEAKER- You're doing, I started to say

15:08SPEAKERyou're doing well for your age.

15:09SPEAKERDon't take the-

15:10SPEAKER- Wow!

15:11SPEAKER- Don't take the subclause for your age personally

15:13SPEAKERor anything.

15:14SPEAKER- Wow, shots fired.

15:16SPEAKER- There are people 20 years younger than you

15:18SPEAKERwith less hair than you, how about that?

15:20SPEAKER- I mean, that's true.

15:21SPEAKERSo, okay, so I realized that I go,

15:25SPEAKERI used to go, well, okay,

15:26SPEAKERI had the same woman cut my hair for like 20 years.

15:29SPEAKERShe lived here.

15:30SPEAKERShe lived down the hall from us

15:31SPEAKERwhen we first moved to the city

15:33SPEAKERand she did an awesome job with my hair.

15:35SPEAKERAnd it was just like, I just went in and she'd be like,

15:37SPEAKERhey, what do you want?

15:38SPEAKERI was like, I want to look cool.

15:39SPEAKERThat's all I'm looking for.

15:40SPEAKER- Every time?

15:41SPEAKER- Yeah, every time.

15:42SPEAKERIt was a joke.

15:43SPEAKER- And just let her idea of what's cool at the moment

15:45SPEAKERguide your style?

15:46SPEAKER- Nine times out of 10, it was good.

15:48SPEAKERSo she moved during the pandemic

15:50SPEAKERand also she was getting really expensive

15:52SPEAKERbecause she got kind of like,

15:53SPEAKERshe got good at a level beyond which I won't need somebody

15:58SPEAKERto cut my hair to be good at.

15:59SPEAKERLike she was doing like Sergey Brin's first wife's hair

16:02SPEAKERand stuff like that.

16:03SPEAKER- Wow, okay.

16:04SPEAKER- And I was getting a little priced out.

16:06SPEAKERSo when she moved, it was sad and I was disappointed,

16:09SPEAKERbut like, it was fine.

16:12SPEAKERBut what had happened was I used to wear contacts

16:16SPEAKERall the time, like seven days a week,

16:18SPEAKERduring waking hours.

16:20SPEAKERSo when I was getting my hair cut at the beginning

16:21SPEAKERand like we were establishing

16:23SPEAKERwhat make me look cool looks like,

16:26SPEAKERI could see what she was doing while she was doing it.

16:29SPEAKER- Okay.

16:29SPEAKER- Now.

16:30SPEAKER- Yes, okay, yes.

16:31SPEAKERI see, I know as a fellow glasses person,

16:33SPEAKERI guess I see where this is going.

16:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so now when I'm sitting there getting my haircut

16:36SPEAKERby some stranger, I'm looking at sitting there

16:40SPEAKERand they're like, hey, hand me your glasses.

16:41SPEAKERI'm like, no, I don't wanna do that.

16:44SPEAKERAnd they're like, you have to take your glasses off

16:45SPEAKERso I can cut your hair.

16:46SPEAKERI was like, okay.

16:47SPEAKERBut then, so then basically I might as well be putting on

16:50SPEAKERa blindfold for like 20 minutes.

16:52SPEAKER- I went through this exact same experience

16:54SPEAKERright before I went on this trip.

16:55SPEAKERI got a new haircut or I got a haircut at a new place

16:57SPEAKERfor the first time and same whole deal.

16:59SPEAKERIt's just like, boy, I am really trusting this person

17:02SPEAKERwith my life right now because you can't see a thing

17:05SPEAKERthey're doing to me.

17:06SPEAKER- I was like the only, I told this guy,

17:08SPEAKERhe was like, what do you want?

17:09SPEAKERI was like, I want a little bit longer than you

17:11SPEAKERthe last time.

17:11SPEAKERAnd I want it, but I still, like I need, I'm an old guy.

17:16SPEAKERSo I need to look like an old guy

17:17SPEAKERand have like a respectable grownup haircut.

17:19SPEAKERI can't look like one of those,

17:21SPEAKERlike the broccoli haircut that the K-pop kids have now.

17:23SPEAKERThat would be bad.

17:24SPEAKER- I mean, you could.

17:25SPEAKER- The guy before me got one of those

17:27SPEAKERand he was also about my age.

17:28SPEAKERI was like, you can't do that to me, bro.

17:30SPEAKER- No way.

17:31SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm in there and I'm like,

17:35SPEAKERI, it's like, I take off the glasses.

17:37SPEAKERI put on the blindfold 20 minutes later.

17:39SPEAKERIt's like, surprise, what did you do to me?

17:43SPEAKERAnd how long is this going to take to get better?

17:45SPEAKERAnd I just want that.

17:47SPEAKERI want to get back to the, make me look cool relationship.

17:49SPEAKERLike I miss that relationship.

17:51SPEAKER- Yeah, well, look, you know,

17:53SPEAKERa lot of things get more complicated as you age, it seems.

17:57SPEAKER- This is why people start shaving their head, Brad.

17:58SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying.

17:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, look, sometimes you just,

18:01SPEAKERit's a trade off, right?

18:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:04SPEAKER- Now does the beard get touched in this situation

18:06SPEAKERor is that all you?

18:07SPEAKER- So the beard trims have gotten expensive now.

18:10SPEAKERCause I go to a barber where they actually,

18:11SPEAKERit's not like it's a $5 add on.

18:13SPEAKERIt's like 25 bucks for a beard trim.

18:15SPEAKER- Man, man.

18:16SPEAKER- And, and, but also the trim that they do

18:20SPEAKERdoesn't represent $25 worth of beard.

18:24SPEAKERLike their rule on their shop is it's one clipper length.

18:27SPEAKERAnd I'm like a two clip.

18:29SPEAKERI have like a side length and a bottom length.

18:31SPEAKER- You have a complicated beard.

18:32SPEAKER- I have a tricky beard.

18:33SPEAKERSo sometimes he does a little bit of touch up,

18:35SPEAKERbut like today I did some work before I go.

18:39SPEAKERSo I don't, so I don't get the question,

18:41SPEAKERhey, you want me to touch up your beard?

18:41SPEAKERI was like, no, it's good.

18:42SPEAKERI got it, I got it, man.

18:44SPEAKER- A little pre-gaming for the haircut.

18:46SPEAKER- Also one time he came down and like came down

18:49SPEAKERon the top of the mustache so that there was like skin

18:52SPEAKERbetween the beard and the mustache and the nose.

18:55SPEAKER- The bald strip on your mustache.

18:57SPEAKER- But it kind of made me look like,

18:59SPEAKERlike the Spanish villain from a 1920s movie,

19:02SPEAKERwhich I was kind of okay with.

19:04SPEAKERI mean, that was a little, it looked a little bit dashing,

19:06SPEAKERbut also I didn't want to have to maintain that.

19:08SPEAKERSo I just let it grow back.

19:09SPEAKER- Sometimes in order to look cool,

19:11SPEAKERyou have to bring back the classics.

19:13SPEAKER- It's true.

19:14SPEAKERI think maybe I'll start waxing the mustache

19:15SPEAKERon top of the beard.

19:16SPEAKERMaybe that's the thing I should do.

19:17SPEAKER- You've got the length for it.

19:19SPEAKER- Oh, it's there.

19:20SPEAKER(upbeat music)

19:23SPEAKEROkay, so I've learned something new about having kids.

19:26SPEAKER- Oh man, it's every day is a new adventure, right?

19:28SPEAKER- Oh, you have no idea, man.

19:31SPEAKERI've gotten a little taste of it this week.

19:33SPEAKER- Oh yeah, you're with the nieces and nephews.

19:35SPEAKERYou're getting that child life.

19:37SPEAKER- Yep.

19:38SPEAKER- Why do kids hate charging their phones, Brad?

19:40SPEAKER- I mean, do they actively disdain it

19:42SPEAKERor do they just like kind of neglect it

19:44SPEAKERwithout thinking about it?

19:45SPEAKER- No, let me give you a sample interaction.

19:48SPEAKER- Okay.

19:49SPEAKER- Hey child, you're getting ready to be out of the house

19:51SPEAKERfor a full day.

19:52SPEAKERI spent a fair amount of money,

19:53SPEAKERboth at one time cost and monthly

19:56SPEAKERso that you could have a telephone

19:57SPEAKERthat you desperately needed

19:59SPEAKERand also that we felt was important

20:01SPEAKERbecause you're out doing things autonomously more often now.

20:03SPEAKER- Yes, and knowing you as I do,

20:05SPEAKERyou all spend a further amount of money

20:07SPEAKERequipping your house to charge in any scenario.

20:11SPEAKER- We-

20:12SPEAKER- Like there are numerous charging configurations

20:14SPEAKERaround the house.

20:15SPEAKER- We got pads, we got USB to lightning.

20:18SPEAKERShe's a lightning 'cause she says SE still,

20:20SPEAKERbut because you need a small hand, small phone.

20:22SPEAKERBut yeah, so she has plenty of opportunities to charge.

20:25SPEAKERThere's chargers next to her bed.

20:27SPEAKERThere's chargers on her desk.

20:28SPEAKERShe could use the charger in the living room.

20:30SPEAKERChargers galore.

20:33SPEAKERHey child, you're getting ready to leave the house

20:35SPEAKERfor 10 hours today.

20:36SPEAKERIs your phone charged?

20:38SPEAKEROh yeah, dad, I'm good.

20:38SPEAKERI'm at 30%.

20:39SPEAKER- (laughs) What?

20:41SPEAKER- Right. - What?

20:42SPEAKER- Right.

20:43SPEAKER- Dude, I cannot sit comfortably at 30%

20:46SPEAKERon any device I own

20:48SPEAKERwhen I know I'm not leaving the house

20:49SPEAKERfor the rest of the day.

20:51SPEAKER- She's like, I called her.

20:53SPEAKERI was like, "Hey, you didn't answer your phone

20:54SPEAKERwhen I called you."

20:55SPEAKERShe's like, "Yeah, I know, I ran out of battery."

20:57SPEAKERWell, how did you charge it the night before?

20:58SPEAKERYeah, it was good.

20:59SPEAKERIt was 35%.

21:01SPEAKERIt goes down faster when you're not on Wi-Fi.

21:05SPEAKERLike it lasts a long time on Wi-Fi.

21:06SPEAKERI get that.

21:07SPEAKERI get that that sets a false expectation.

21:09SPEAKERIt's like when you're on the cellular modem

21:11SPEAKERand not on Wi-Fi, the battery goes down fast.

21:15SPEAKER- Look, some people...

21:17SPEAKERWas it the Boy Scouts that had some motto

21:19SPEAKERabout being prepared?

21:20SPEAKERI can't remember.

21:21SPEAKER- Yeah, be prepared as Boy Scouts.

21:22SPEAKER- Right.

21:23SPEAKER- There's also a bunch of stuff about God in there.

21:24SPEAKER- Oh, of course, yes.

21:25SPEAKERLook, some people have the be prepared mentality

21:27SPEAKERand some people just let it ride.

21:30SPEAKER- I want to think that she's like,

21:31SPEAKER"Maybe I need to get a charger

21:33SPEAKERthat I can carry around with me."

21:34SPEAKERBut then that's not charge you.

21:36SPEAKERThat's just another thing to have not charged.

21:38SPEAKER- I mean, if somebody is, what's the word?

21:40SPEAKERIt's not like spiteful.

21:41SPEAKERIf somebody finds the act of charging to be grading,

21:46SPEAKERthen I assume that having to carry

21:48SPEAKERa separate battery pack around

21:49SPEAKERis even more of a deal breaker.

21:50SPEAKER- No, no, it's not that...

21:52SPEAKERYou know what the difference is?

21:53SPEAKERIt's that the act of charging isn't grading.

21:55SPEAKERIt's that there's absolutely no anxiety

21:57SPEAKERabout running out of battery.

21:58SPEAKER- I see, okay.

21:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:00SPEAKER- This just sounds like somebody

22:01SPEAKERwho has not really learned fear

22:03SPEAKERof a number of things in life yet.

22:06SPEAKER- Well, I mean, and maybe that's it.

22:09SPEAKERMaybe for me, it's like,

22:11SPEAKER"Oh God, if my battery runs out,

22:12SPEAKERit's going to be like I'm living in the 90s again."

22:14SPEAKER- Right, maybe that's what it is.

22:15SPEAKERMaybe we know what it was like before.

22:17SPEAKER- Well, I mean, there were some upsides

22:19SPEAKERto not being able to have anybody track you down

22:22SPEAKERat any moment all the time.

22:24SPEAKER- Well, but for her, she looks at the 90s

22:26SPEAKERand she's like, "Man, the 90s looked really cool."

22:28SPEAKERSo maybe she's trying to go back to the 90s.

22:30SPEAKERIt's like a way of having a time machine.

22:32SPEAKER- Man, aside, this is a rebellion I can support actually.

22:35SPEAKERI don't know, but yeah.

22:38SPEAKERI hate to mark myself as this kind of guy,

22:41SPEAKERalthough maybe it was probably abundantly clear

22:44SPEAKERthat I was already this type of guy.

22:45SPEAKERBut every time I see somebody post a screenshot

22:47SPEAKERthey've taken to their phone,

22:48SPEAKERpeople just take screenshots of their phones

22:49SPEAKERconstantly for whatever.

22:51SPEAKERIt has to be probably 80% or more of those photos I see

22:56SPEAKERthat are like in the 30% or even maybe like

22:59SPEAKERall the way down to single digit battery.

23:01SPEAKERJust like how do you live like this?

23:04SPEAKER- Well, okay.

23:04SPEAKERThe worst ones, now that everybody has notches

23:07SPEAKERand the bar doesn't show the number

23:09SPEAKERwhen you're just on the home screen anymore, it's less bad.

23:12SPEAKERBut in the old days when you could choose to show the number

23:14SPEAKERor not show the number

23:15SPEAKERand people would not have the number showing,

23:16SPEAKERthat also would make me crazy.

23:18SPEAKER- Yes, I know people who actively disable the number

23:21SPEAKERbecause they don't want to think about it.

23:22SPEAKERThey don't want to obsess over it all the time,

23:23SPEAKERwhich I guess I can respect, but.

23:24SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, I get that.

23:26SPEAKER- You know, I just like to,

23:27SPEAKERyou never know what's gonna happen out there.

23:29SPEAKERIt's nice to be equipped for any possibility I find.

23:34SPEAKER- Look, you're never gonna have,

23:37SPEAKERyou're never gonna be in a situation where you're like,

23:39SPEAKERoh man, I wish I had less phone battery, right?

23:42SPEAKER- It's not like the phone gets lighter

23:43SPEAKERas you deplete energy from it or something.

23:46SPEAKER- You're not making it last longer,

23:47SPEAKERbut I mean, I guess kind of you are, but not really.

23:50SPEAKER- Just charge the damn phone, kid.

23:52SPEAKER- Plug it in.

23:53SPEAKERI was the only, I find consistently on planes,

23:56SPEAKERI feel like I'm the only person plugging my phone

23:58SPEAKERinto the back of the seat at the end of the flight

24:00SPEAKERto make sure, like, I want to get off that plane

24:02SPEAKERwith a fully fresh, ready to go new battery.

24:05SPEAKER- Oh, see, I never plug in on the plane.

24:08SPEAKERI just turn it off.

24:09SPEAKER- Man.

24:10SPEAKER- I always use other devices.

24:11SPEAKER- When you're getting off the plane, you know,

24:13SPEAKERit's like wherever you're going next,

24:15SPEAKERyou might want more battery there.

24:17SPEAKER- Wait, so you're like, from the time you land

24:19SPEAKERto the time you taxi to the door,

24:20SPEAKERyou plug the phone back in?

24:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:23SPEAKEROr just, you know, as we're descending or whatever,

24:26SPEAKERit's like, hey, you know, if the phone's down to like 70%,

24:28SPEAKERwhat if it was 100 by the time I got off the plane?

24:30SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but don't you just have it plugged in

24:32SPEAKERwhile you're using it on the plane?

24:34SPEAKER- I'm using other devices on the plane.

24:35SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

24:36SPEAKER- So the battery, the phone has just gone down

24:39SPEAKERfrom like use at the gates or listening to music or something.

24:42SPEAKER- Got it.

24:43SPEAKERYou're not plugging in in the Uber though, right?

24:45SPEAKER- No, no, no, definitely not.

24:47SPEAKERLike, I think I can trust the USB ports

24:49SPEAKERin the airline seats.

24:51SPEAKERI'm not so sure about the one on offer in a stranger's car.

24:55SPEAKER- Yeah, no, that's a good choice.

24:56SPEAKER(upbeat music)

24:59SPEAKERI hate this friend slop name, Brad.

25:01SPEAKER- You hate the name, not the concept to be clear?

25:03SPEAKER- Yeah, like Metroid Brania, I can get behind that one.

25:06SPEAKERThat one's good. - Wait, really?

25:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gross, but it's good.

25:09SPEAKER- Well, okay, I will agree with you that it's gross,

25:11SPEAKERbut I regret to inform you.

25:12SPEAKERI have stated publicly for the record,

25:15SPEAKERI am very anti-Metroid Brania.

25:17SPEAKER- You didn't like Metroid Vania 10 years either though.

25:19SPEAKER- Oh, I never had a problem with that one.

25:21SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

25:22SPEAKER- I don't know, I think Metroid Brania

25:25SPEAKERis maybe just like a hair too cute for me.

25:27SPEAKER- For me though, friend slop sucks because those games,

25:31SPEAKERlike the gap between those games that are good

25:33SPEAKERand those games that are bad is like a million

25:36SPEAKERreally hard little decisions and tweaks and timing things.

25:40SPEAKER- Yeah, are there bad ones out there?

25:42SPEAKERLike I've, let's see.

25:43SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

25:44SPEAKER- Okay, so just to define what we're talking about,

25:47SPEAKERthis is a term that has been coined to describe.

25:50SPEAKER- It's proximity check games, basically.

25:52SPEAKER- Proximity check games, like your $10 like co-op.

25:55SPEAKERI mean, I guess originally it was kind of just

25:57SPEAKERthe horror extraction games like Lethal Company

25:59SPEAKERand Rebo and Content Warning.

26:01SPEAKER- I think, yeah, Lethal Company Elikes

26:04SPEAKERis what I was calling them before.

26:05SPEAKER- But now it's being applied to stuff like Peak

26:07SPEAKERand to be fair, I think we've both read the Aftermath piece

26:11SPEAKERthat it hit this week about the term.

26:13SPEAKER- Yeah, which basically the gist of which is

26:16SPEAKERit's nobody's, it's fine to dunk on friend slop as a name

26:20SPEAKERbecause everybody thinks that friend slop is a stupid name.

26:22SPEAKER- Yeah, like even the person who apparently coined the term

26:25SPEAKERhas come out and said, "Hey, I was just kidding."

26:26SPEAKERAlthough frankly, if you were getting dragged

26:29SPEAKERfor the dumb term you came up with like,

26:32SPEAKERthat seems like exactly what you would come out and say.

26:34SPEAKER- I was just joking, man.

26:35SPEAKER- So who knows, anyway, those games are awesome though.

26:37SPEAKERLike, I don't know if they, I don't know if,

26:39SPEAKERI don't know if that was a friend slop derogatory situation

26:42SPEAKERor not, but I love that.

26:43SPEAKERLike, I don't mind admitting that like that style of like,

26:47SPEAKERbut between Lethal Company and Peak,

26:49SPEAKERlike not just the horror extraction games, but.

26:51SPEAKER- I thought content warning was really fun.

26:53SPEAKERI would play more repo, repo was great.

26:55SPEAKERPhasmophobia kind of in that category.

26:57SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think Peak is the one that has convinced me

26:59SPEAKERlike, oh, there's like, there's something to this

27:01SPEAKERbeyond just the, like that very specific low-fi

27:06SPEAKERor extraction sort of vibe.

27:08SPEAKERLike, but that kind of cooperative proximity chat

27:11SPEAKERgoofing off with your friends sort of situation

27:14SPEAKERis like some of the most fun I've had in video games

27:16SPEAKERin the last several years.

27:18SPEAKER- I think for me, it's less of a genre

27:21SPEAKERand more of a, I mean, like it's, yeah, it's weird, right?

27:27SPEAKER'Cause like we have a Looney Tunes one of those

27:30SPEAKER'cause Peak is Looney Tunes friend slop, right?

27:32SPEAKERAnd Phasmophobia is jump scare horror friend slop

27:35SPEAKERas is Lethal Company and I guess repo

27:37SPEAKERand most of those others.

27:40SPEAKERBut like, I hope we're expanding into new threshold,

27:44SPEAKERnew genre boundaries here 'cause like, like I look at Peak

27:51SPEAKERand I was playing with some friends the other day

27:53SPEAKERand like one of us was climbing a pillar,

27:57SPEAKERtwo people were dead, one person was climbing a big column

27:59SPEAKERand I was standing at the top waiting to grab that person

28:02SPEAKERwho was making the long climb.

28:04SPEAKERAnd then I heard the gurgling sound

28:05SPEAKERof one of those ice geysers beside me

28:08SPEAKERand I was like, oh shit, I gotta look

28:10SPEAKERand see if I'm too close to that.

28:11SPEAKERI turned and looked and it fired

28:13SPEAKERand just fired me off the side of the mountain.

28:16SPEAKERAnd like, that's like 15 really difficult decisions

28:20SPEAKERthat were made somewhere along the way

28:22SPEAKERthat they were setting up, not even that level

28:25SPEAKER'cause the levels are generated procedurally,

28:27SPEAKERbut like how that geyser works

28:30SPEAKERhad these incredibly complicated series of decisions in it.

28:33SPEAKERAnd like, it's really finely tuned and really smartly made.

28:36SPEAKERAnd it is like slop to me is like what Polygon has become

28:42SPEAKERin the post having real people working their world.

28:45SPEAKERI mean, I know there's like two or three people

28:47SPEAKERstill working there, but there's a lot of AI slop

28:50SPEAKERon Polygon now that's just generated crap.

28:53SPEAKER- And like advertorial and stuff like that.

28:55SPEAKERI would love, this seems like this is probably a topic

28:58SPEAKERfor this very podcast sometime,

28:59SPEAKERbut you would need to talk to somebody

29:01SPEAKERwith very specific domain knowledge about this.

29:04SPEAKERI would love to know what the algorithm looks like

29:06SPEAKERor maybe what the seating looks like

29:07SPEAKERfor generating something like the mountains in peak

29:11SPEAKERbecause like you've got those geysers

29:14SPEAKERand obviously it would probably be very easy

29:16SPEAKERto just do some like truly random distribution

29:19SPEAKERto place the geysers, but like to bias them

29:22SPEAKERin the way that they do.

29:23SPEAKERYou know, the geysers, the little handholds,

29:25SPEAKERthe like the pittance and the little ledges

29:28SPEAKERthat poke out in the middle of a long other ledge.

29:30SPEAKERAnd still don't know exactly how to say that word,

29:32SPEAKERbut yes, like the climbing gear that they distribute,

29:34SPEAKERlike it's all very intelligently placed.

29:36SPEAKERAnd I would love to know like what the weights look like

29:38SPEAKERfor the algorithms that generate stuff like that.

29:40SPEAKERI mean, I'm sure that's like very established practice

29:42SPEAKERat this point after 20 plus years

29:45SPEAKERof procedural content in video games,

29:46SPEAKERbut like I'd still for like for a lay person,

29:49SPEAKERI would love to hear an explanation of like

29:51SPEAKERhow the waiting is done for that kind of generation.

29:55SPEAKER- And yeah, that procedural generation stuff,

29:56SPEAKERit's not like you say it's established over 20 years,

30:00SPEAKERbut it really changes wildly on a game to game basis, right?

30:03SPEAKERLike on that game, they have to know how far

30:08SPEAKERlike one stamina bar will carry you.

30:10SPEAKERAnd then like the gaps between the average gap

30:13SPEAKERbetween standing spot has to be, you know,

30:16SPEAKERthat number minus something so that people can do it

30:20SPEAKERwhen they're carrying backpacks or injured or whatever.

30:22SPEAKERAnd like, I think they do prefabs.

30:25SPEAKERI like looking at it, I feel like there's some shapes

30:27SPEAKERthat I see that are pretty common.

30:31SPEAKER- Okay.

30:31SPEAKER- And then they connect, they have connection points

30:33SPEAKERthat things can happen on.

30:35SPEAKERLike they can have bridge to bridge

30:36SPEAKERor they can have vine to vine or, you know, whatever.

30:40SPEAKERBut like the set of things that had to happen

30:44SPEAKERfor there to be a long climb

30:45SPEAKERand a way that I got up faster another way

30:48SPEAKERand a geyser standing on the side of it.

30:50SPEAKERAnd then for the timing to work for the gurgle sound to hit

30:56SPEAKERand me turn to look at it and have time to turn

30:58SPEAKERand look at it and pause and be like, well, I'm fucked

31:00SPEAKERbefore getting fired off the edge of the cliff

31:02SPEAKERand scream is really hard to do.

31:06SPEAKERAnd like the games that do this well,

31:09SPEAKERthe games that are not friend slop,

31:10SPEAKERthat are awesome things to do with your friends,

31:12SPEAKERcreate those situations over and over and over

31:15SPEAKERand over and over again so that you have,

31:18SPEAKERlike I have this script set up on my streaming machine

31:23SPEAKERand every time somebody makes a clip in Twitch,

31:26SPEAKERit just saves that clip locally on my hard drive there.

31:29SPEAKERAnd then at the end of the night, it copies all those clips

31:31SPEAKERover into a folder on my NAS so I can get to my main PC

31:35SPEAKERand go through them and pull out the good ones.

31:37SPEAKER- That's a good idea.

31:38SPEAKER- With most games, I just, I go through

31:41SPEAKERand I take like one out of 10, maybe.

31:44SPEAKERAnd it goes into like a clip reel that shows

31:45SPEAKERat the start of screens or what screens

31:47SPEAKERor when I'm like need to be right back or something.

31:50SPEAKERWith Peek, I just copy every clip that was generated

31:52SPEAKERthat's not a dupe and put it in the folder.

31:55SPEAKER- Okay. - 'Cause they're all good.

31:56SPEAKER- Yep, uh-huh.

31:57SPEAKER- And like that doesn't happen by accident.

31:59SPEAKERThat is not Slop, that is the antithesis of Slop.

32:02SPEAKER- Yes, also, by the way, not to just turn this

32:04SPEAKERinto like a Peek fan podcast,

32:06SPEAKERwhich I feel like we're dangerously close to.

32:07SPEAKER- I can do that.

32:08SPEAKER- The last time we talked about this,

32:09SPEAKERwhich was like a week and a half ago, I think.

32:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:12SPEAKER- I think that game had passed the 1 million mark.

32:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:15SPEAKER- It's past 5 million now.

32:17SPEAKER- Oh, it's probably well past that.

32:18SPEAKERThey sold 5 million in the first month, they said.

32:20SPEAKER- It's crazy, but I regret to inform you

32:24SPEAKERthe procedural generation has turned mean in that game.

32:27SPEAKER- Oh, no.

32:28SPEAKER- I had a chance to get one good, so we talked about this,

32:30SPEAKERyour daughter's solo climb, just like I'm going.

32:35SPEAKER- Don't say, just go up is her strategy.

32:37SPEAKERThat's the entirety of her strategy.

32:38SPEAKER- So I had time to get one good solo game in

32:40SPEAKERbefore I left town.

32:42SPEAKER- Okay.

32:42SPEAKER- When I got to the jungle, every single vine,

32:46SPEAKERnot the tiny vines that you hand over hand on,

32:50SPEAKERbut the big ones that you can climb up and stand on,

32:52SPEAKERevery single one of them had spikes on it.

32:54SPEAKER- Oh, yeah. - Or thorns.

32:55SPEAKER- That was a nasty seed that day.

32:57SPEAKER- Did you get that one?

32:58SPEAKER- Oh, yeah. - There was not a single vine

32:59SPEAKERon the jungle map that did not have thorns on it,

33:01SPEAKERand I burned every item I had

33:03SPEAKERto get to the top of that mountain.

33:05SPEAKER- We, so, okay, last peak thing.

33:09SPEAKERI was watching Patrick and Chia at remap play yesterday,

33:14SPEAKERand I think it was their first time really playing for real.

33:17SPEAKER- Okay.

33:18SPEAKER- And it's so fun watching people discover

33:21SPEAKERthe complexity of that game.

33:22SPEAKERThey got that you can slide along the hand over hand vines,

33:25SPEAKERbut they never got that you can do the flying leap,

33:28SPEAKERand actively, like, at some point when somebody was like,

33:32SPEAKERhey, we should try to jump down

33:33SPEAKERand grab that chain on the way down,

33:34SPEAKERthe other one was like, are you out of your mind?

33:36SPEAKERThere's no way we can do that, and I'm like,

33:38SPEAKERoh, man, like, when that hits, it's gonna be so good.

33:43SPEAKERIt's such a special thing.

33:45SPEAKERAnyway, peak's really good.

33:47SPEAKERGo buy a peak, it's great.

33:48SPEAKER- That's right, it's the opposite of slop.

33:51SPEAKERIt's the slopposite.

33:52SPEAKER(upbeat music)

33:55SPEAKER- Okay, Brad, I wish more stuff was like modern glue sticks.

33:59SPEAKER- I'm always saying this, but how do you mean?

34:02SPEAKER- Have you used a modern glue stick?

34:04SPEAKER- Okay, this sounds really stupid, I started to say.

34:06SPEAKERI don't know if I've even used like an old retro glue stick,

34:09SPEAKERbut I'm sure I did at some point.

34:10SPEAKER- Yeah, you used them in, like,

34:11SPEAKERwe used those in elementary school a lot.

34:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, we were way more,

34:14SPEAKERand I'm sure this is most people in the '80s,

34:16SPEAKERwe were way more of the bottled Elmer's.

34:19SPEAKER- Yeah, the classic Elmer's. - Classic Elmer's,

34:20SPEAKERthe Elmer's Goo.

34:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:23SPEAKER- What distinguishes a modern glue stick

34:25SPEAKERfrom a classic one?

34:26SPEAKER- Well, so I think the rise of scrapbooking

34:29SPEAKERcaused some advances to happen in glue stick technology.

34:32SPEAKER- Okay, and this is kind of exciting, actually,

34:35SPEAKERbecause I feel like there are so many different domains

34:38SPEAKERof technology and material science and so forth

34:41SPEAKERthat have quietly gotten really advanced over time.

34:44SPEAKERI have high expectations here,

34:45SPEAKERbecause I bet there have been some glue innovations

34:47SPEAKERin the last 30 years.

34:49SPEAKER- So, okay, so two things.

34:50SPEAKEROne is it's washable now, the glue stick,

34:52SPEAKERso you can use it, you can give it to a kid, no big deal.

34:55SPEAKER- Man, smear all over the walls, go nuts.

34:58SPEAKER- Yeah, non-toxic, so if the kid eats it, also good.

35:00SPEAKERI think that was always the case, probably.

35:03SPEAKERThe big one, though, is that when you put it on the paper,

35:06SPEAKERit's purple, and when it's dry, it's clear.

35:11SPEAKERSo it has built-in chemistry that lets you know

35:14SPEAKERwhen it's ready to go.

35:15SPEAKER- That's cool, all right.

35:16SPEAKER- And if you can't see it anymore, you've waited too long.

35:19SPEAKER- Is that one of those pieces of secretly encoded

35:23SPEAKERinformation?

35:24SPEAKER- I mean, kind of secretly, I can't, the focus is bad,

35:27SPEAKERbut yeah, so it's like a bright purple.

35:30SPEAKERSo I didn't, like, it's real purple.

35:32SPEAKER- Wow, that's very purple.

35:33SPEAKER- Yeah, extremely purple.

35:34SPEAKER- And then it just vanishes?

35:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so I wish we had this technology for other stuff.

35:39SPEAKERRight? - Okay, yeah, what do you got?

35:41SPEAKER- Like, I wish we had this, I mean, toast, obviously,

35:44SPEAKERhas this technology built in.

35:45SPEAKER- Yes, toast.

35:47SPEAKER- But like, I wish, you know,

35:49SPEAKERoccasionally when we order groceries,

35:50SPEAKERwe'll get one of those, like, pre-packaged,

35:52SPEAKERlike, spaghettis or meatloaf and mashed potatoes

35:54SPEAKERor whatever, just so that there's a fast and easy lunch

35:57SPEAKERwhen I'm here working from home.

35:59SPEAKERAnd I wish that it had, like, a thing that changed color

36:03SPEAKERwhen it was done.

36:04SPEAKER- Man, what if all food just turned to some really off color,

36:07SPEAKERlike some off-putting color when it was no longer, like...

36:10SPEAKER- I think, oh, when it was stale, when it was bad?

36:12SPEAKER- When your ham turns green, you know?

36:15SPEAKER- I mean, that does kind of happen.

36:17SPEAKERGreen ham eggs. - Fair, fair, fair.

36:19SPEAKERI started to say, like, oh, you know,

36:20SPEAKERyour strawberries turned black or something,

36:22SPEAKERbut if you keep strawberries around long enough,

36:23SPEAKERthey probably will do exactly that.

36:25SPEAKER- Well, but like, the problem is that they don't go,

36:27SPEAKERlike, the color's really subtle until it's too less.

36:31SPEAKER- Yep.

36:33SPEAKER- And like, having just had a bout of food poisoning

36:35SPEAKERcaused by eating leftovers.

36:38SPEAKER- Okay, now I see where this is coming from.

36:41SPEAKER- Look, we had the same thing two weeks in a row,

36:43SPEAKERseven days apart, right?

36:45SPEAKERAnd I ate the leftovers that were from the first run,

36:48SPEAKERnot the second run.

36:49SPEAKER- Okay.

36:50SPEAKER- At about day nine or 10.

36:52SPEAKER- Huh, all right.

36:54SPEAKER- It was bad.

36:55SPEAKERI did a bad job cleaning the fridge the week before,

36:57SPEAKERso it's on me.

36:59SPEAKER- Can I ask what the food item was in question?

37:00SPEAKER- I don't wanna talk about it.

37:01SPEAKERNo, I'm not, no. - No, I'm really curious.

37:03SPEAKER- I'm just a secret.

37:04SPEAKER- This could be a cautionary tale for all of our listeners,

37:07SPEAKERhey.

37:08SPEAKER- Look, yeah, the cautionary tale is clean your damn fridge,

37:11SPEAKERand don't be like,

37:14SPEAKERif the thing's like, oh, it's probably got a day left,

37:16SPEAKERjust get rid of it.

37:17SPEAKERIt's not, I assure you.

37:19SPEAKER- Interesting.

37:20SPEAKERI mean, I just finished some eight-day-old barbecue

37:22SPEAKERlast night.

37:23SPEAKERI don't know if the clock is ticking or not, but.

37:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think barbecue's probably safe.

37:26SPEAKER- Yeah, probably.

37:28SPEAKER- Like, barbecue's already, it's been through the smoker,

37:30SPEAKERit's probably been warmed up in a pan,

37:32SPEAKERit's got some sauce on it.

37:34SPEAKERYou're good.

37:35SPEAKERLike, there's nothing in there.

37:36SPEAKER- Was this some eight-day-old sashimi or something?

37:38SPEAKERSo curious. - Oh, God, no.

37:39SPEAKERNo, no, no, no, no.

37:40SPEAKER- I'm so curious.

37:41SPEAKERIt was much more mundane than that.

37:42SPEAKERBut yeah, so having been on a gastric voyage

37:47SPEAKERof discovery recently, I wish that my food

37:50SPEAKERwould just change colors when it's like,

37:53SPEAKERno, dog, you shouldn't eat this anymore.

37:54SPEAKER(upbeat music)

37:57SPEAKEROkay, so I've had the basic Exacto knife.

38:02SPEAKERYou know, it's the narrow one with the angled blade,

38:06SPEAKERthe standard, it's like, when you think Exacto knife,

38:09SPEAKERthis is what you think of, right?

38:11SPEAKERIt looks like a medical implement.

38:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's for crafts,

38:14SPEAKERbut you can use it for medical implements in a pinch.

38:17SPEAKER- You could probably do surgery with it

38:19SPEAKERin a demanding enough situation.

38:22SPEAKERLet me ask really quick, actually, before you get into it,

38:25SPEAKERis Exacto like Kleenex or Xerox?

38:28SPEAKER- I think if you ask them,

38:29SPEAKERthey'd probably have a different set of feelings about that.

38:31SPEAKERBut it is a, this is a utility razor,

38:36SPEAKERprobably is the generic term for Exacto would be my guess.

38:39SPEAKER- Okay, so Exacto is a brand name

38:41SPEAKERthan what I mean for, I guess,

38:43SPEAKERmaybe especially non-Americans

38:44SPEAKERwho might not be exposed to brands like Kleenex as much,

38:46SPEAKERbut it's like the brand name

38:48SPEAKERthat has become the stand-in for the generic term.

38:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it's-

38:51SPEAKER- Like a lot of Americans say Kleenex

38:54SPEAKERinstead of tissue these days, for example.

38:56SPEAKER- When I think of an Exacto,

38:57SPEAKERwhat I'm talking about is a fine detail razor utility knife

39:02SPEAKERthat has a replaceable blade.

39:04SPEAKER- Got right, sure.

39:05SPEAKERBut there is an Exacto company that makes Exacto-

39:07SPEAKER- 100%, yeah. - Okay, got it.

39:09SPEAKER- They're really careful, like the box that I got

39:11SPEAKERwith my special Exacto kit has Exacto written on it.

39:13SPEAKER- Oh, look at that, yeah.

39:14SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've always had the basic ones

39:18SPEAKERthat cost like $3 when you go to any craft store.

39:21SPEAKERAnd when I went to, I needed some,

39:25SPEAKERand I ordered them from Amazon

39:26SPEAKER'cause I didn't want to go to the store.

39:28SPEAKERAnd they didn't, 'cause Amazon often doesn't sell things

39:31SPEAKERthat are like three bucks, it was like $2 more

39:34SPEAKERto get a set of fancy Exacto knives.

39:37SPEAKER- Sure.

39:38SPEAKER- And it comes with a bunch of replacement blades

39:41SPEAKERand different shapes and sizes, which is really convenient.

39:44SPEAKERBut the big thing it comes with is two different handles.

39:47SPEAKERSo there's like a thinny and a thicky.

39:50SPEAKERThe thin one is the one I've always had before,

39:51SPEAKERbut the thick one is awesome

39:53SPEAKERfor when you really need to like dig into something

39:55SPEAKER'cause it's much more comfortable in your hand.

39:58SPEAKERAnd then the real thicky has like a screwdriver handle on it.

40:03SPEAKERSo like one is just like a sized up normal Exacto knife.

40:06SPEAKERAnd then the other one is like, you could just-

40:08SPEAKER- Oh man.

40:09SPEAKER- Put this thing in your fist and whack it something.

40:11SPEAKER- I don't like the way you're gripping that blade.

40:13SPEAKERThat looks a little bit threatening.

40:16SPEAKER- Look, you're 2,000 miles away, you're safe.

40:18SPEAKER- Probably so.

40:18SPEAKERI'm not sure a blade of that precision

40:20SPEAKERis meant to have a handle

40:21SPEAKERthat gives that much control on it, actually.

40:23SPEAKERI'm not sure.

40:24SPEAKERThat much force, it's not control.

40:26SPEAKERIt's more, you could apply a lot of force

40:28SPEAKERto that tiny blade with that handle.

40:30SPEAKER- Well, I'll tell you, we use it for everything

40:32SPEAKERfrom like pumpkin carving to like working out

40:35SPEAKERlike big chunks of,

40:37SPEAKERlike you can take out a big piece of wood or something

40:38SPEAKERif you need to carve something with that thing.

40:40SPEAKER- I bet you could do some fine detail work

40:42SPEAKERon a pumpkin with that thing.

40:44SPEAKER- Well, so you use the big one for the hole in the top.

40:47SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

40:47SPEAKER- And then you do use the little one

40:48SPEAKERfor like the teeth and the,

40:51SPEAKERlike if you wanna have like the pumpkin barfing,

40:52SPEAKERyou know, whatever, whatever you're-

40:55SPEAKER- Which you do.

40:56SPEAKER- I mean, I'm not allowed to do that anymore.

40:58SPEAKERNobody in my family thinks that's funny, but me.

41:00SPEAKER- Do you just make use of the innards?

41:01SPEAKERI mean, like that seems like using every part of the pumpkin,

41:04SPEAKERyou scoop the innards out and make that the barf, right?

41:07SPEAKER- That's exactly it, yeah.

41:09SPEAKERYeah, it's a classic, right?

41:11SPEAKER- Yes.

41:11SPEAKER- You can do things like take just the skin off

41:13SPEAKERwith the narrow ones.

41:15SPEAKERYou can have like shading on your jack-o-lantern

41:17SPEAKERif you wanna get fancy.

41:19SPEAKER- Well, sometimes you just gotta treat yourself

41:20SPEAKERto the nice tools.

41:21SPEAKERLike sometimes you would just be shocked

41:23SPEAKERat how much it improves your life.

41:25SPEAKERActually, is there a converse?

41:27SPEAKERIs there like a positive converse to, you know,

41:29SPEAKERthat old saying about like a poor craftsman

41:31SPEAKERblames his tools?

41:32SPEAKER- Oh.

41:33SPEAKER- Is there a positive version of that?

41:34SPEAKERLike a, like a, like a,

41:36SPEAKER- Like a great craftsman thanks his tools?

41:38SPEAKER- Proprases his tools or something.

41:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:41SPEAKER- You know what I mean?

41:42SPEAKER- Like I'm kinda anti-tool fetishism in general.

41:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:46SPEAKER- Right, like I feel like you, like anything else

41:50SPEAKERthat becomes a hobby.

41:51SPEAKER- Yes.

41:52SPEAKER- Like a thing unto itself if you're not careful, right?

41:54SPEAKER- It's like, it's like somewhere out there,

41:56SPEAKERthere was a forum devoted to X-Acto knives

41:58SPEAKERand similar implements where people in their,

42:01SPEAKERit's really, it's the forum SIG problem.

42:03SPEAKERLike if you were putting all the specs of your thing

42:05SPEAKERin the signature of your forum posts,

42:08SPEAKERyou maybe have gotten a little too obsessed with the tools.

42:11SPEAKER- This is a bad idea,

42:12SPEAKERbut I'm typing Japanese X-Acto knives into my,

42:16SPEAKERinto Google right now.

42:18SPEAKER- Some high quality folded steel X-Acto knives.

42:21SPEAKER- Yep, that exists.

42:23SPEAKERAlex Japanese X-Acto craft knife with blade cover.

42:27SPEAKERAnd this looks much nicer than my crappy X-Acto knives.

42:30SPEAKER- You're doing it right now.

42:30SPEAKERYou have to pull the record.

42:32SPEAKER- God, I should upgrade.

42:34SPEAKEROh, these look so nice.

42:36SPEAKERIt retracts, Brad, it retracts.

42:41SPEAKERWe had a real whiplash on my favorite sandwich place, Brad.

42:46SPEAKER- Should I ask what the favorite sandwich place is?

42:48SPEAKERI mean, there's a lot of considerations there.

42:50SPEAKER- Like when I'm talking about a favorite sandwich place,

42:53SPEAKERI'm not talking about like barbecue or like a banh mi

42:56SPEAKERor something, like I want just like a deli sandwich,

42:59SPEAKERlike a counter you go to and you're like,

43:01SPEAKERhey, I want a turkey on rye.

43:03SPEAKERAnd then they make the sandwich for you

43:05SPEAKERand they wrap it up on paper.

43:06SPEAKER- What are the staples of the classic sandwich place?

43:09SPEAKERIt's like an Italian hero, like a turkey and,

43:13SPEAKERturkey and something, like turkey and cheese

43:14SPEAKERor turkey and avocado, like a turkey and.

43:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:18SPEAKER- What are the other?

43:19SPEAKER- Like some salted meats, like a mortadella or bologna

43:24SPEAKERor something like that.

43:25SPEAKER- Like maybe like a chicken breast if they're fancy.

43:28SPEAKER- Yeah, like I like a chicken,

43:30SPEAKERlike a sliced chicken breast is real nice.

43:33SPEAKERSome sort of like a smoked turkey,

43:37SPEAKERlike they should have two kinds of turkey.

43:39SPEAKERIt should be like smoked turkey or mesquite turkey

43:41SPEAKERand then just like a roasted turkey.

43:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so if it's a really nice place,

43:45SPEAKERyou're gonna have probably a Reuben and like these days,

43:48SPEAKERmaybe like a Cubano as well.

43:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and like I'd expect him to have pastrami

43:53SPEAKERand I think Cubano is a San Francisco thing by the way.

43:55SPEAKERI don't see that.

43:56SPEAKER- No, I found one out here the other day, actually.

44:00SPEAKER- See that might be too fancy

44:02SPEAKERfor the kind of sandwich place I'm looking for.

44:03SPEAKERI want something that's gonna put some meat and vegetables

44:08SPEAKERor maybe just vegetables if you want,

44:09SPEAKERon like a grinder roll with some sort of sauce,

44:13SPEAKERmaybe a little oil and vinegar, if that's your jam.

44:15SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, and it is.

44:18SPEAKER- And a cheese and then roll that thing up,

44:22SPEAKERslice it into two to six pieces, depending on the length.

44:26SPEAKERAnd then you can take that out to the park,

44:28SPEAKERyou bring it home, everybody has a piece of sandwich.

44:30SPEAKERIt's really good, right?

44:33SPEAKERSo a new one opened in like one of our,

44:37SPEAKERI don't know, it's not exactly a corner market

44:39SPEAKER'cause I live in the suburbs

44:40SPEAKERand we don't really have corner markets like that,

44:42SPEAKERbut it's like the small grocery store that you stop at

44:46SPEAKERwhen you're turning into your neighborhood on the way home,

44:48SPEAKERbut not a safe way or whatever.

44:50SPEAKERAnd he opened up a sandwich counter in the back,

44:52SPEAKERlike maybe three months ago

44:54SPEAKERand made the best sandwiches I've had

44:58SPEAKERsince we moved to San Francisco.

44:59SPEAKER- Wow, that's like old claim.

45:03SPEAKER- God tier, really freaking good sandwiches.

45:07SPEAKERHe did a turkey pastrami that had shredded lettuce

45:10SPEAKERand the ratios of everything are right,

45:13SPEAKERthe shred on the lettuce is right

45:14SPEAKERso that you get a little bit of lettuce in all the bites.

45:17SPEAKERIt has decent tomatoes, but you don't want too good a tomato

45:20SPEAKER'cause you don't want, like. (laughing)

45:23SPEAKER- You don't want that tomato swaggering in there

45:24SPEAKERand hogging the spotlight.

45:26SPEAKER- Yeah, you just want, the tomato adds some wet

45:29SPEAKERand a little bit of flavor, but too much flavor.

45:31SPEAKER- I guess that's what a tomato does, yeah.

45:34SPEAKER- Yeah, and then like he had a,

45:36SPEAKERusually like the right balance on the cheese,

45:39SPEAKERlike you put like a sharp cheddar on this,

45:41SPEAKERit's gonna be too much, right?

45:42SPEAKERBut you need something to counteract that turkey

45:44SPEAKERand pastrami, you need something

45:45SPEAKERthat's gonna stand up to that, right?

45:47SPEAKER- Yep.

45:48SPEAKER- And then the star of the show

45:51SPEAKERis that he made a roasted red pepper aioli at home,

45:54SPEAKERlike grilled the peppers, burned the peppers in his backyard

45:57SPEAKERor on his grill or something and would make this aioli

46:01SPEAKERthat was like a party in your mouth

46:03SPEAKERevery time you put the sandwich in.

46:05SPEAKER- Man.

46:06SPEAKER- Is really freaking good.

46:07SPEAKER- I might have to make a pilgrimage.

46:09SPEAKERThis is, you're making a strong case.

46:10SPEAKER- Well, so I got bad news for you, Brad.

46:12SPEAKER- Oh no, oh no.

46:13SPEAKER- I told you it was hard swings today.

46:14SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

46:15SPEAKER- He closed last week.

46:17SPEAKER- What?

46:17SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause look.

46:19SPEAKER- Man, how are you?

46:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:21SPEAKER- How are you gonna go on a podcast

46:22SPEAKERand describe possibly the best sandwich you've ever had

46:25SPEAKERand then say, "Hey, the sandwich no longer exists."

46:28SPEAKER- He set up in the small grocery store

46:32SPEAKERthat's low traffic

46:32SPEAKERand makes its money selling lottery tickets and beer

46:34SPEAKERto people coming home from work

46:36SPEAKERand then was in there 70 hours a week

46:38SPEAKERand was not paying his bills.

46:41SPEAKERSo he had to go get another job someplace else.

46:43SPEAKERHis last weekend was last weekend.

46:44SPEAKER- Man.

46:45SPEAKER- And Gina went in to get a sandwich on Friday afternoon

46:50SPEAKERand he was like, "Oh, I'm so glad you came."

46:52SPEAKER'Cause he knew us, right?

46:54SPEAKERIt's been there for three months.

46:56SPEAKERWe go like maybe once a week, pretty good sandwich.

47:00SPEAKERAnd he already knew, he was like,

47:01SPEAKER"Oh, hey, I'll get your sandwich going

47:03SPEAKERwhen he sees you in the line," right?

47:04SPEAKERAnd I'm like, "Oh yeah, this is what I want," right?

47:07SPEAKERAnd now it's no more and my heart is broken.

47:10SPEAKER- That's tragic, man.

47:11SPEAKERI wish I had something more encouraging to say,

47:14SPEAKERbut that's just-

47:15SPEAKER- It's a deep and profound sense of loss I feel right now.

47:19SPEAKER- Speaking of loss, we went to a sandwich place

47:21SPEAKERout here the other day.

47:22SPEAKER- Ooh, how was it?

47:24SPEAKER- Expensive.

47:25SPEAKER- Like Subway?

47:26SPEAKER- It was good, it was good.

47:27SPEAKERThe sandwiches were excellent.

47:28SPEAKER- Okay.

47:29SPEAKER- But they were like San Francisco priced sandwiches.

47:32SPEAKER- Like 25 bucks?

47:33SPEAKER- Okay, wow.

47:35SPEAKERMaybe I haven't bought a sandwich in San Francisco

47:37SPEAKERfor a while.

47:39SPEAKERThey were like 15.

47:41SPEAKER- Wow.

47:42SPEAKER- They were 15, which is like, I mean, okay,

47:44SPEAKERmaybe they've gotten,

47:45SPEAKERmaybe they've crept up in downtown SF at this point,

47:48SPEAKERbut I think a $15 sandwich is a big city sandwich,

47:50SPEAKERexcept here we are in the mountains of North Carolina.

47:53SPEAKER- Okay, so downtown by PC World's offices,

47:56SPEAKERsandwiches are, if you get an all vegetarian sandwich,

48:00SPEAKERit's gonna be like 14, 15 bucks now.

48:02SPEAKER- Okay.

48:03SPEAKER- But like something with some meat on it

48:05SPEAKERis 20, 23 bucks probably.

48:06SPEAKER- Okay, it's been a while since I worked down there,

48:08SPEAKERto be fair.

48:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it has.

48:10SPEAKER- So maybe this is just another example

48:14SPEAKERof the rising tide of costs lifting all sandwich boats.

48:18SPEAKER- But I think we all know things are more expensive

48:22SPEAKERright now.

48:23SPEAKERWhat's a New York,

48:24SPEAKERI mean, what's on a North Carolina sandwich, Brad?

48:26SPEAKER- Oh, this was, I mean,

48:26SPEAKERkind of exactly everything we just described.

48:28SPEAKER- Did you get like the Dutch crunch?

48:29SPEAKERWhat's your bread's hitch?

48:31SPEAKER- They had sourdough.

48:33SPEAKER- They had, I'm skeptical about North Carolina.

48:36SPEAKER- This was a bakery,

48:37SPEAKERso they were making their own bread.

48:38SPEAKER- It was a sliced sourdough.

48:40SPEAKERThey had ciabatta.

48:41SPEAKERThey were out of focaccia,

48:42SPEAKERbut they normally made that.

48:44SPEAKER- Did you get a Dutch crunch there?

48:46SPEAKER- I don't believe they had Dutch crunch.

48:47SPEAKERIn fact, I had never heard of Dutch crunch at all

48:49SPEAKERuntil I moved to San Francisco.

48:50SPEAKER- I think it's a uniquely,

48:51SPEAKERI think everybody thinks sourdough

48:52SPEAKERis the San Francisco bread,

48:54SPEAKERbut in reality it's the Dutch crunch.

48:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that has been my experience at least.

48:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:59SPEAKERSo what kind of sandwich did you get?

49:00SPEAKERWhat'd you get?

49:00SPEAKER- Oh, I got the Italian era.

49:02SPEAKERYeah, I got the one with all the meat on it.

49:04SPEAKER- Yeah, multiple salted meats.

49:07SPEAKER- I did not eat again that night.

49:09SPEAKER- Yeah, a good sandwich.

49:10SPEAKERYou eat a good sandwich for lunch, you're good.

49:12SPEAKER- That was a late three or four o'clock lunch,

49:15SPEAKERand that kind of turned into dinner as well.

49:18SPEAKER- So the other good thing about this sandwich place

49:21SPEAKERis that that guy carries novel chip flavors

49:27SPEAKERfor the United States.

49:28SPEAKERYou could get them all dressed there.

49:29SPEAKER- Oh, good.

49:30SPEAKER- You get a ketchup chip if you wanted.

49:32SPEAKER- Sure.

49:33SPEAKERI mean, I don't know why you would, but that's fine.

49:35SPEAKER- I mean, the all dressed are pretty good though.

49:36SPEAKER- Yes, yes, that one, the ketchup one.

49:38SPEAKER- Ketchup is fine.

49:39SPEAKER- Yes, I am of the mind that a sandwich cannot be consumed

49:42SPEAKERwithout some chips.

49:43SPEAKER- You gotta have chips.

49:44SPEAKERDo you like a Dorito?

49:45SPEAKERIs too much chip for your sandwich?

49:47SPEAKER- I don't know, that is maybe a little loud for a sandwich.

49:52SPEAKER- Been kind of a sour cream and cheddar kick this summer.

49:54SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

49:55SPEAKER- Or the queso flavor.

49:56SPEAKER- It's a classic sour cream chicken, yeah.

50:00SPEAKER- Yeah, this one just kind of petered out, huh?

50:02SPEAKER(laughing)

50:03SPEAKER- We're both getting the glassy look in our eyes

50:05SPEAKERas we think about sandwiches and chips.

50:07SPEAKER- He gave us a pint of the aioli.

50:10SPEAKER- Wow.

50:12SPEAKER- 'Cause when Gina found out the place was closing

50:13SPEAKERon Friday, she likes a sandwich place more than I do.

50:17SPEAKERAnd he was like, come back tomorrow,

50:18SPEAKERI have something for you.

50:19SPEAKER- Man, you guys were good customers then.

50:22SPEAKER- And well, and she, 'cause she was like,

50:25SPEAKERlook, when you have a sandwich this good,

50:27SPEAKERwe went, we got it the first day 'cause somebody was like,

50:29SPEAKERhey, this new sandwich place is good.

50:30SPEAKERAnd then the next day, next time we came in,

50:32SPEAKERwe were like, hey, your sandwiches are God tier, dude.

50:35SPEAKERThese are really, really freaking good sandwiches.

50:38SPEAKERAnd he was like, oh man, thank you so much.

50:39SPEAKERAnd like, what's your name?

50:40SPEAKERAll along, we had a nice little chat.

50:42SPEAKERThen he remembered our names the next time we came in

50:44SPEAKERand like, so yeah, he gave her a pint of the aioli

50:47SPEAKERand was like, you gotta eat in the next two weeks.

50:49SPEAKERWe're like, no problem, we got this.

50:51SPEAKER(laughing)

50:52SPEAKER- It's covered, man.

50:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:53SPEAKER- There's nothing better than becoming a regular.

50:56SPEAKER- That, now that, I think we all agree on.

50:59SPEAKER(upbeat music)

51:01SPEAKERAnd on that note, I think it's time to wrap up

51:03SPEAKERanother edition of the TechPod.

51:06SPEAKERThanks everybody for listening.

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51:09SPEAKER- If you're new and this is scary and confusing to you,

51:12SPEAKERwe've done a few of these in the past

51:14SPEAKERwhen we get a big backlog of cold opens

51:16SPEAKERand we think they're good and want to use them,

51:19SPEAKERbut don't do enough podcasts to use them.

51:21SPEAKERYeah, you just had your first cold, all cold open episode.

51:25SPEAKER- Sometimes, some weeks we show up

51:26SPEAKERand we have to fight over what cold open to do.

51:29SPEAKERSometimes we have like three different ones.

51:31SPEAKER- Almost all, like the, look, the cold open,

51:33SPEAKERcold open, a good cold open, they're to be treasured.

51:36SPEAKERThat's what I say.

51:37SPEAKER- Yeah, you can talk about anything for five minutes.

51:40SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

51:41SPEAKERIt turns out, or even sandwich, man,

51:42SPEAKERI just want another sandwich though.

51:45SPEAKERWe wouldn't be here without you all, the listeners.

51:47SPEAKERSo if you want to learn how to support the show,

51:48SPEAKERwe're listener supported, there's no ads,

51:51SPEAKERthere's no other, nothing else, it's just you all.

51:54SPEAKERSo if you want to learn how to support the show,

51:55SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod,

51:57SPEAKERwhere for $5, less than the price

52:00SPEAKERof one San Francisco sandwich,

52:02SPEAKERyou too can support two podcasters

52:06SPEAKERso that they can eat some San Francisco sandwiches.

52:09SPEAKERAnd we appreciate each and every person

52:12SPEAKERwho supports the show.

52:14SPEAKER- Yes, we do.

52:14SPEAKERI mean, how many months of this podcast

52:17SPEAKERis one sandwich worth?

52:18SPEAKERQuite a few, it turns out.

52:19SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

52:20SPEAKERSo again, it's patreon.com/techpod.

52:23SPEAKERIn addition to the monthly patron exclusive episode,

52:26SPEAKERyou get access to the fabulous tech pod discord,

52:28SPEAKERwhere there is a food channel

52:30SPEAKERwhere people talk about sandwiches

52:31SPEAKERand other food all the time.

52:33SPEAKER- I bet there's some people in there

52:35SPEAKERwith some good roasted pepper aioli recipes.

52:38SPEAKER- God, I bet they're not gonna be as good as this one though.

52:40SPEAKERI should try some recipes while this stuff is still good

52:43SPEAKERso I can figure out what it is about his

52:46SPEAKERthat makes it good.

52:47SPEAKER- You think you could track him down

52:49SPEAKERand extract some of his knowledge

52:50SPEAKERbefore he vanishes from the earth?

52:52SPEAKER- Well, he told us where,

52:53SPEAKERhe told Gina where he's getting a job,

52:54SPEAKERso I don't want to out him, but I'll-

52:56SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, no, you gotta keep that to yourself.

52:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

53:00SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, so thanks to everybody

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53:19SPEAKERThank you all so much.

53:20SPEAKER- Thank you.

53:21SPEAKER- And that'll do it for us this week.

53:23SPEAKERAs always, please check back next week

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53:33SPEAKER'cause both of those things are great.

53:35SPEAKER- They are, and then we'll Q&A next week.

53:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah, so send your questions to techpod@content.town.

53:41SPEAKERThat's an email address.

53:42SPEAKER- That's right.

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53:46SPEAKERAnd that'll do it for us this week.

53:48SPEAKERThanks, Brad.

53:49SPEAKERAs always, a pleasure to see you, sir.

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