00:00SPEAKER- Brad, I'm 10 years into working from home this year.
00:03SPEAKER- Really?
00:04SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I started when I left Tested in 2015.
00:06SPEAKER- Of course. - It was 2025.
00:07SPEAKER- Like, Fu, you were the original self-employed
00:10SPEAKERstart a company and work from home guy.
00:12SPEAKER- I invented this.
00:14SPEAKER- Nobody ever worked from home before 2015, that's right.
00:17SPEAKER- Nope, only shiftless layabouts
00:19SPEAKERand people who were stealing time from the company.
00:23SPEAKERBut like, so I've been going back into the office
00:26SPEAKERfor the last year or so, a couple days a week,
00:28SPEAKERto help with PC World and it's nice being back in the office
00:32SPEAKERand I realized like, okay, it's nice to have like an idea
00:36SPEAKERof what your coworkers three-dimensional faces look like.
00:39SPEAKER- Yes.
00:40SPEAKER- I worked with some people at Straight Bombay
00:41SPEAKERthat I talked to for hours every day
00:44SPEAKERthat I don't think I would recognize
00:46SPEAKERif I cross them on the street
00:47SPEAKER'cause they were camera off people.
00:48SPEAKER- Oh, wow. - Yeah.
00:50SPEAKER- As a rule?
00:51SPEAKER- Almost all the time.
00:52SPEAKER- Man, okay.
00:53SPEAKER- And then--
00:54SPEAKER- Even in like a one-on-one situation?
00:56SPEAKER- Sometimes I'd turn it on a one-on-one,
00:57SPEAKERbut often it was just like,
00:59SPEAKER'cause often you'd be sharing your screen,
01:01SPEAKERso it's like the thing you're looking at as a screen,
01:02SPEAKERnot the other person.
01:04SPEAKER- Sure.
01:06SPEAKER- But like more than the three-dimensional representations
01:08SPEAKERof your coworkers faces and like going to lunch with people
01:12SPEAKERand talking at the water cooler or whatever,
01:15SPEAKERI miss the crap table.
01:16SPEAKER- The crap table.
01:18SPEAKER- Did you have a crap table at GameSpot?
01:20SPEAKERLike the, you know, it's like the table
01:22SPEAKERwhere people bring their crap that's too good to throw away,
01:25SPEAKERbut not so good that you wanna keep it?
01:26SPEAKER- I think you could argue that maybe
01:28SPEAKERthe entire office was the crap table.
01:30SPEAKER- I didn't wanna say that.
01:31SPEAKERThere was a pile kind of over by the giant bomb pit
01:34SPEAKERat the last, back at the end of the CBSI days.
01:37SPEAKER- Sure, yes.
01:38SPEAKERThere was so much stuff coming into that office
01:40SPEAKERthat I think it was basically a kind of a crap office,
01:42SPEAKERif you get my meaning.
01:43SPEAKER- Well, 'cause like that's the problem,
01:44SPEAKERlike the problem doing these kinds of jobs
01:47SPEAKERwhere people, where like everything you get
01:49SPEAKERis not something you have to spend money on.
01:51SPEAKERLike people send us stuff because they want us to cover it.
01:54SPEAKERAnd even though I say no to almost everything that I get now,
01:58SPEAKERI often will go to an event and like,
02:00SPEAKERI got a cool Mario Kart World poster
02:02SPEAKERwhen I went to the Nintendo thing.
02:03SPEAKERAnd like, I'm never gonna,
02:04SPEAKERI don't want that Mario Kart World poster.
02:07SPEAKERNever gonna use it.
02:08SPEAKERI don't care enough about it to put it on eBay
02:09SPEAKERand sell it for 15 bucks for the person who does,
02:12SPEAKER'cause it was like a launch exclusive
02:13SPEAKERof the Nintendo World Store.
02:15SPEAKER- Of course.
02:16SPEAKER- But like, I would put that on the crap table at the office
02:19SPEAKERand it would go away and it would go to somebody who's like,
02:22SPEAKERat the very least their kid would be stoked
02:24SPEAKERto hang it on the wall of their room.
02:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
02:27SPEAKERit's still a perfectly good Mario Kart poster.
02:29SPEAKER- Yeah, like did I have a Mario Kart poster like that
02:31SPEAKERwhen I was a kid?
02:31SPEAKERNo, Mario Kart didn't exist when I was a kid.
02:33SPEAKERBut if it had, would I want one?
02:35SPEAKERAbsolutely.
02:37SPEAKERAnd like the work from home people
02:40SPEAKERneed a solution for this, so I have an idea.
02:43SPEAKER- Oh.
02:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm not just bringing problems today,
02:46SPEAKERI'm bringing solutions.
02:47SPEAKER- Now, do you wanna say it out loud?
02:48SPEAKERIs this a billion dollar business opportunity?
02:51SPEAKER- I do not think this is a billion dollar
02:52SPEAKERbusiness opportunity.
02:53SPEAKER- Hang on, can we spit ball the,
02:55SPEAKERcan we spit ball the name for your crap table startup?
02:58SPEAKER- I have a pretty good name, but okay.
03:00SPEAKER- Can we just call it Crappio?
03:02SPEAKER- Okay, well that, crap.io is a possibility,
03:05SPEAKERthat's not bad.
03:06SPEAKER- Or like maybe you're like ripped
03:07SPEAKERfrom the headline situation, like Craponomer.
03:10SPEAKER- Okay, Craponomer.
03:12SPEAKERI don't wanna associate with those people,
03:13SPEAKERI don't think they're-
03:14SPEAKER- No, probably not.
03:15SPEAKER- They're getting dunked on by the whole internet
03:17SPEAKERin a way that's starting to feel mean instead of hilarious.
03:19SPEAKER- That is the most, that is some classic Twitter,
03:21SPEAKERnot to derail this, that is some classic Twitter
03:23SPEAKERmain character action, like I have not seen in a minute.
03:26SPEAKER- I gotta say though, I'm worried that maybe Blue Sky
03:29SPEAKERdoesn't have the juice after all,
03:31SPEAKER'cause I sent the link to that to my wife yesterday,
03:33SPEAKERand she was like, "Oh yeah, I saw this today before."
03:34SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh, crap!"
03:36SPEAKER- Yep, yep, anyways.
03:37SPEAKER- Not the first, okay, so here's my idea.
03:39SPEAKER- Yeah, let's hear it.
03:40SPEAKER- You know, those little free libraries
03:42SPEAKERhave popped up all over the place, right?
03:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah.
03:45SPEAKER- So I think I'm gonna start the little free crap table.
03:48SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
03:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:50SPEAKER- All right, well, it can't just be a table,
03:52SPEAKERyou don't want it exposed to the elements, like.
03:54SPEAKER- Eh, do I?
03:56SPEAKER- Okay, oh, you know what?
03:58SPEAKERMaybe that's what the crap deserves.
03:59SPEAKER- Yeah, like I think the little free crap table
04:02SPEAKERis just a thing that lives out in people's front yards,
04:05SPEAKERand maybe you put a little hutch over it
04:07SPEAKERif you wanna make it classy.
04:08SPEAKER- All right.
04:09SPEAKER- But like you can put your old video card there,
04:11SPEAKERif you get a new mouse pad,
04:13SPEAKERyou can put your old mouse pad there.
04:14SPEAKER- Yes, the branded mouse pad was the first thing
04:16SPEAKERthat came to mind when you talked about the crap table.
04:18SPEAKERLike that is the type of thing that goes on that table
04:21SPEAKERis like, you know, it is a mouse pad,
04:23SPEAKERit's maybe not the nicest one ever made,
04:24SPEAKERbut somebody might find some use for it.
04:27SPEAKER- Don't pick up USB thumb drives
04:28SPEAKERoff the little free crap table though.
04:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.
04:32SPEAKERSage advice.
04:33SPEAKER(upbeat music)
04:36SPEAKEROkay, pop quiz hotshot.
04:38SPEAKER- Oh boy, you're gonna shoot me in the shoulder?
04:40SPEAKER- No, sorry, that was maybe a little agro for this question.
04:44SPEAKERI am going to put your knowledge of petrochemicals
04:46SPEAKERto the test here.
04:47SPEAKER- Okay.
04:48SPEAKER- I'm back home.
04:50SPEAKERI'm back home this week for the first time
04:51SPEAKERsince the hurricane.
04:52SPEAKERSo there's a lot of post hurricane stuff to follow up on.
04:56SPEAKERSome of which let's say should have been followed up on
04:58SPEAKERprobably about seven months ago.
05:01SPEAKER- Okay.
05:02SPEAKER- But anyway, one of those is how would you feel,
05:06SPEAKERhow would you feel if there were like say somewhere
05:09SPEAKERbetween 10 and 20 gallons of gasoline
05:12SPEAKERsitting in cans out in the garage?
05:14SPEAKER- Oh, are they like actual gasoline cans?
05:18SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, it is gas that we went and drew
05:20SPEAKERfor the generator here that then didn't get dealt with.
05:23SPEAKERThings were very chaotic at that time,
05:24SPEAKERlike flights were in and out.
05:26SPEAKERLike there was so much to do that let's say
05:27SPEAKERnobody prioritized dealing with the excess gasoline
05:30SPEAKERthat was just sitting around in cans
05:32SPEAKERonce the power came back on.
05:34SPEAKER- And is it just normal like car gasoline
05:36SPEAKERor have you added like two strip oil and stuff to it already?
05:38SPEAKER- It's straight out of the pump.
05:40SPEAKERI think it was 87 octane.
05:42SPEAKER- Okay. - If I had to remember,
05:45SPEAKERwhich I can't quite, we did not put stabilizer in it.
05:47SPEAKERThat's the, I know that's the pertinent question.
05:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say that was the next question.
05:51SPEAKER- So I think we're from the little bit I've looked up
05:53SPEAKERand I've got a couple of family members
05:54SPEAKERthat are big into cars and stuff
05:56SPEAKERand I will talk to them about it.
05:58SPEAKER- Big gas fans.
05:59SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.
06:00SPEAKERSome real gas heads around here.
06:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:03SPEAKER- But like I kinda wanted to see what you knew,
06:04SPEAKERbut from a little bit I've looked online,
06:06SPEAKERit looks like we're in kind of a,
06:08SPEAKERlike a gray in between area where it's like,
06:11SPEAKEReverything I saw was like, oh, gas starts to break down
06:13SPEAKERat about six months
06:14SPEAKERif you haven't put any kind of stabilizer in it.
06:17SPEAKERBut well, let's see, we're about nine months, I think,
06:20SPEAKERsince this gas was pumped.
06:21SPEAKER- You're in the, okay, so on a two-stroke motor,
06:27SPEAKERI would go nuts, I think.
06:29SPEAKERSo like a lawnmower or weed eater or chainsaw
06:31SPEAKERor something like that.
06:32SPEAKERSomething that's real loud and obnoxious
06:33SPEAKERand makes a lot of black smoke.
06:35SPEAKER- Okay.
06:36SPEAKER- Because they deal with it better.
06:38SPEAKERAnd also you put the oil in there
06:39SPEAKERand it like works itself out.
06:42SPEAKERPeople are gonna yell at me in the comments
06:43SPEAKER'cause that's like, that's like redneck farm advice,
06:46SPEAKERnot good advice.
06:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah, sure, a lot of them are territory.
06:50SPEAKER- Yeah, the manual absolutely says, don't do that
06:53SPEAKERand to dispose of that.
06:55SPEAKERI don't actually know how you dispose of gas
06:59SPEAKERin the modern era.
07:00SPEAKER'Cause like, I shouldn't say this,
07:03SPEAKERbut when I was a kid and I would go-
07:06SPEAKER- I think I know where this is going.
07:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it got sent back to the earth, right?
07:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's where it came from.
07:11SPEAKER- There was just a spot where you poured the,
07:14SPEAKERand that's bad, don't do that.
07:15SPEAKERThat's super bad for a whole host of reasons.
07:17SPEAKER- Yeah, everything I could find about that
07:19SPEAKERwas that you need to arrange arrangements
07:22SPEAKERwith somebody who can dispose of it responsibly,
07:24SPEAKERwhether it's the county or some private entity.
07:27SPEAKER- I was gonna say the other way you could do it,
07:28SPEAKERand you should never do this either.
07:30SPEAKER'Cause like, well, okay, so look,
07:33SPEAKERif you want to make a fire,
07:35SPEAKERpeople who don't know better use gasoline to do that, right?
07:39SPEAKER- Okay, even I, look, I'm not,
07:41SPEAKERI don't have a lot of fuel experience under my belt,
07:44SPEAKERbut even I know better than that.
07:45SPEAKER- Yeah, the reason you don't do that
07:46SPEAKERis 'cause gas vapors combine with air
07:48SPEAKERand they make a fuel air bomb,
07:49SPEAKERand like the fire ignites about a foot or two out
07:54SPEAKERfrom where the gas is actually poured.
07:56SPEAKER- My fuel air bomb is one of those phrases
07:58SPEAKERyou really only want to hear in a military context.
08:00SPEAKER- Often you see people with no eyebrows
08:02SPEAKERand it's because they lit their brush fire with gasoline
08:04SPEAKERinstead of kerosene or fuel oil
08:06SPEAKERor something that's a little bit less explosive.
08:08SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway, the TLDR is,
08:12SPEAKERI'd probably find someplace to dispose of that gas.
08:14SPEAKERAnd you might be able to just take it
08:15SPEAKERto your local gas station,
08:16SPEAKERespecially if you don't care about getting the cans back.
08:18SPEAKER- Maybe, I did read, I mean,
08:20SPEAKERthis may also set off a number of comments.
08:23SPEAKERI kind of got the sense
08:25SPEAKERthat the gas might still be new enough,
08:27SPEAKERthat we might be able to add it like a gallon at a time
08:30SPEAKERto the car tank.
08:31SPEAKER- Mix it in with like good gas?
08:33SPEAKER- On top of like a good fill up from the station,
08:35SPEAKERmaybe just kind of-
08:37SPEAKER- So here's the, there's some math you do here.
08:40SPEAKERAnd the math is how expensive is it going to be
08:42SPEAKERto replace your fuel injectors
08:45SPEAKERversus just get rid of the shitty gas?
08:49SPEAKERIt's not worth the $4 you're losing on the gas.
08:52SPEAKER- Again, I'm not trying to save the money.
08:53SPEAKERIt's the hassle of trying to find somebody
08:56SPEAKERwho will take it and get rid of it for us.
08:58SPEAKERIt seems like it might be kind of a chore.
09:00SPEAKER- I bet you can call your local like hazardous waste,
09:04SPEAKERlike they have a,
09:05SPEAKERhey, here's where you take the Roundup
09:07SPEAKERand the, 'cause like that part of the country,
09:10SPEAKERI guarantee you that there's somebody in your neighborhood
09:12SPEAKERthat has a shed full of Agent Orange
09:14SPEAKERor something really, really bad.
09:15SPEAKER- That's probably true.
09:16SPEAKER- And like, if you call the people
09:18SPEAKERthat have to deal with that business,
09:19SPEAKERyou're like, hey man, we just have some 87 octane here
09:21SPEAKERthat's like nine months old.
09:22SPEAKERThey'll be like, don't, we got you.
09:24SPEAKER- That's their bread and butter.
09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gonna be like the time I called poison control
09:28SPEAKER'cause my kid ate a couple of sticks of chalk
09:32SPEAKERand I was like, is this a problem?
09:34SPEAKERThey were like, well,
09:35SPEAKERI mean, she's gonna have a real bad stomach ache,
09:36SPEAKERbut no, she's not gonna die.
09:37SPEAKERYou're fine, it's just chalk.
09:39SPEAKERIt's the same thing as in Tums or something.
09:41SPEAKERAnd they laughed.
09:42SPEAKER- Okay, all right.
09:44SPEAKERWell, all right, that's something to get started on.
09:46SPEAKERI guess I won't even bring up the fact
09:47SPEAKERthat a lot of that gas is also still sitting
09:49SPEAKERin that generator,
09:50SPEAKERwhich is a whole other can of worms to deal with.
09:53SPEAKER- Well, so I was gonna say the nice thing
09:54SPEAKERabout the generator is you can dump the generator out.
09:57SPEAKER- So you can, yes, you can drain.
09:59SPEAKERIt's gotta drain on the tank, but my understanding,
10:01SPEAKERand again, I barely know engines at all,
10:03SPEAKERbut my understanding is some of that old gas
10:05SPEAKERis like in the engine in a way that-
10:07SPEAKER- It'll be in the fuel lines, yeah, yeah.
10:09SPEAKER- Right, like I read it could be bad for the carburetor
10:12SPEAKERto start that up, even to run down what's in there.
10:14SPEAKER- Yeah, but so if you look at your,
10:17SPEAKERif you look at the manual for that thing,
10:18SPEAKERit'll probably tell you how to drain the fuel lines
10:20SPEAKERand get like, here's the thing.
10:23SPEAKERWhen you crank that, when you crank the,
10:25SPEAKERI don't know if this is an electric starter or a puller
10:27SPEAKERor whatever, but it's gonna push a certain amount of gas
10:31SPEAKERthrough when it's like trying to start.
10:35SPEAKERAnd you'll, if you drain the tank and empty out the lines
10:38SPEAKERand all that stuff, it'll get through that
10:40SPEAKERbefore you get to the, like, it'll be fine.
10:42SPEAKER- Okay, all right, it'll be fine.
10:44SPEAKER- It'll be fine, don't worry about it too much.
10:45SPEAKERPlus it's probably a four-stroke for a generator.
10:49SPEAKERIt's quiet.
10:50SPEAKER- You were asking questions above my head at this point.
10:53SPEAKERWell, hey, I'll look at the manual, what could go wrong?
10:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:56SPEAKER(upbeat music)
10:59SPEAKERCan we talk about car charging etiquette?
11:01SPEAKER- We can talk about anything you want, but especially that.
11:04SPEAKER- So I, my daughter's been at camp this week.
11:07SPEAKERWe've been driving a little bit more than normal
11:09SPEAKERand I was out and about, and I was like,
11:11SPEAKERI'm gonna run by the car chargers to top off the car
11:15SPEAKERjust because, you know, we usually charge all the way up
11:17SPEAKERat home and it's fine.
11:19SPEAKERBut this week I wanted to just get,
11:20SPEAKERI want to get a little more juice in there, you know?
11:22SPEAKERAnd I rolled in and there was somebody with a plug-in hybrid
11:26SPEAKERin one of the spots for the fast chargers.
11:31SPEAKERPlug-in hybrids have batteries that let them go
11:33SPEAKERabout 20 miles and they also have gasoline in their car
11:36SPEAKERthat makes them drive the rest of the time
11:37SPEAKERwhen the battery's empty.
11:38SPEAKER- God, is that really, are the batteries really
11:40SPEAKERthat small in a high point?
11:41SPEAKER- 20 to 50, yeah.
11:42SPEAKER- I am.
11:43SPEAKER- It's just to recoup, like, it's just to gain energy back.
11:48SPEAKERLike this, look, there's a whole host of reasons
11:50SPEAKERwhy plug-in hybrids are not a great choice.
11:53SPEAKERAnd the plug-in hybrids, especially,
11:55SPEAKERjust add a bunch of weight to the car
11:56SPEAKERthat doesn't really give you a whole lot of benefit
11:58SPEAKERunless you really only drive like 20 miles a day.
12:01SPEAKERAnd I just think anybody who's driving one of those cars
12:06SPEAKERand parks in one of the charge spaces at like,
12:08SPEAKERthis was like, it happens at the mall all the time.
12:11SPEAKERYou'll see somebody with a shitty BMW
12:14SPEAKERwith a hybrid plug-in charger
12:16SPEAKERand they're just sitting in the space
12:18SPEAKERthat like somebody who their only source of energy
12:23SPEAKERis electricity could be using.
12:25SPEAKER- Yeah, how long could that tiny battery
12:27SPEAKERtake to charge on a fast charger?
12:28SPEAKER- No time.
12:29SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:30SPEAKER- And guess what?
12:31SPEAKERIt's gonna be there for four hours
12:32SPEAKER'cause those spaces are really good
12:34SPEAKERand near the front, usually.
12:35SPEAKER- They went to see a movie.
12:37SPEAKER- Yep, yep, they're having lunch.
12:40SPEAKERI maybe swung by the gym, hit the grocery store afterwards.
12:44SPEAKERI just, like, I wish they would put the charging spaces
12:47SPEAKERas far as possible from the desirable spaces.
12:51SPEAKER- Sure.
12:52SPEAKER- 'Cause like, at Target,
12:53SPEAKERthere's a bunch of level two chargers, which aren't great,
12:55SPEAKERbut like, if you're in Target for two hours,
12:57SPEAKERyou'll get a little bit of juice and they're free,
12:59SPEAKERbut they're also the closest spaces to the shopping center
13:02SPEAKERbecause that's where the,
13:03SPEAKERthat was the easiest place to get electricity to.
13:06SPEAKERAnd as a result,
13:07SPEAKEReither people who don't have electric cars park in them
13:10SPEAKERor people who have plug-in hybrids sit there
13:13SPEAKERand they're like, I'm gonna get my 20 minutes,
13:15SPEAKER20 miles of free charge here.
13:17SPEAKER- That's right.
13:18SPEAKER- Like, your free charge takes me eight seconds to get.
13:22SPEAKERJust leave, go away.
13:23SPEAKER- Now, how passive aggressive
13:24SPEAKERare you looking to get about this?
13:27SPEAKER- Look, I thought- - Would you ever leave a note?
13:29SPEAKER- Friend of the show, Gary Witte,
13:30SPEAKERused to have these cards that he carried around with him
13:33SPEAKERthat said you park like shit
13:34SPEAKERthat he put on people's windshields that parked like shit.
13:38SPEAKER- 'Cause I don't even know
13:39SPEAKERif that qualifies as passive aggressive.
13:41SPEAKERThat might be actively aggressive.
13:42SPEAKER- I feel like that's actively aggressive.
13:43SPEAKERI don't know if I wanna go quite that far,
13:46SPEAKERbut like, I feel like maybe people don't understand
13:53SPEAKERthe level of hassle that they're causing when they do that.
13:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess if you wanna be charitable,
14:00SPEAKERI mean, like this whole electric,
14:03SPEAKERwhether entirely electric or partially electric vehicle thing
14:05SPEAKERis still somewhat new and maybe they don't know,
14:07SPEAKERor maybe they're just assholes.
14:09SPEAKER- Look, we've been in the valley before driving to LA
14:12SPEAKERand some piece of shit with a giant pickup truck
14:15SPEAKERactively parks in the electric charge only spaces.
14:19SPEAKERAnd I'm pretty comfortable assuming that they're assholes.
14:23SPEAKER- Wait, hang on.
14:24SPEAKERIs that an entirely combustion engine driven truck?
14:26SPEAKER- Uh-huh. - What?
14:28SPEAKER- Usually they have bumper stickers
14:29SPEAKERthat indicate a political affiliation, Brad.
14:31SPEAKER- Okay, they probably rolled some coal
14:33SPEAKERon the way into that space.
14:34SPEAKER- I don't know about that,
14:35SPEAKERbut it's never the Harris voters
14:38SPEAKERthat are like I'm taking the electric vehicle space
14:40SPEAKERwith my gas engine car.
14:42SPEAKER- Well, look, it's a new era.
14:43SPEAKERThere's a whole, a whole new stack of social mores
14:46SPEAKERto iron out over this thing.
14:50SPEAKER- I'd rather just deal with the regular mores, please.
14:53SPEAKERThe eels.
14:57SPEAKERI realized why I don't like getting my hair cut anymore.
15:01SPEAKER- Oh?
15:02SPEAKER- And it's not because there's less of it
15:03SPEAKERthan there used to be.
15:04SPEAKERAlthough, I mean, you know, that is.
15:06SPEAKER- You're doing, I started to say
15:08SPEAKERyou're doing well for your age.
15:09SPEAKERDon't take the-
15:10SPEAKER- Wow!
15:11SPEAKER- Don't take the subclause for your age personally
15:13SPEAKERor anything.
15:14SPEAKER- Wow, shots fired.
15:16SPEAKER- There are people 20 years younger than you
15:18SPEAKERwith less hair than you, how about that?
15:20SPEAKER- I mean, that's true.
15:21SPEAKERSo, okay, so I realized that I go,
15:25SPEAKERI used to go, well, okay,
15:26SPEAKERI had the same woman cut my hair for like 20 years.
15:29SPEAKERShe lived here.
15:30SPEAKERShe lived down the hall from us
15:31SPEAKERwhen we first moved to the city
15:33SPEAKERand she did an awesome job with my hair.
15:35SPEAKERAnd it was just like, I just went in and she'd be like,
15:37SPEAKERhey, what do you want?
15:38SPEAKERI was like, I want to look cool.
15:39SPEAKERThat's all I'm looking for.
15:40SPEAKER- Every time?
15:41SPEAKER- Yeah, every time.
15:42SPEAKERIt was a joke.
15:43SPEAKER- And just let her idea of what's cool at the moment
15:45SPEAKERguide your style?
15:46SPEAKER- Nine times out of 10, it was good.
15:48SPEAKERSo she moved during the pandemic
15:50SPEAKERand also she was getting really expensive
15:52SPEAKERbecause she got kind of like,
15:53SPEAKERshe got good at a level beyond which I won't need somebody
15:58SPEAKERto cut my hair to be good at.
15:59SPEAKERLike she was doing like Sergey Brin's first wife's hair
16:02SPEAKERand stuff like that.
16:03SPEAKER- Wow, okay.
16:04SPEAKER- And I was getting a little priced out.
16:06SPEAKERSo when she moved, it was sad and I was disappointed,
16:09SPEAKERbut like, it was fine.
16:12SPEAKERBut what had happened was I used to wear contacts
16:16SPEAKERall the time, like seven days a week,
16:18SPEAKERduring waking hours.
16:20SPEAKERSo when I was getting my hair cut at the beginning
16:21SPEAKERand like we were establishing
16:23SPEAKERwhat make me look cool looks like,
16:26SPEAKERI could see what she was doing while she was doing it.
16:29SPEAKER- Okay.
16:29SPEAKER- Now.
16:30SPEAKER- Yes, okay, yes.
16:31SPEAKERI see, I know as a fellow glasses person,
16:33SPEAKERI guess I see where this is going.
16:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so now when I'm sitting there getting my haircut
16:36SPEAKERby some stranger, I'm looking at sitting there
16:40SPEAKERand they're like, hey, hand me your glasses.
16:41SPEAKERI'm like, no, I don't wanna do that.
16:44SPEAKERAnd they're like, you have to take your glasses off
16:45SPEAKERso I can cut your hair.
16:46SPEAKERI was like, okay.
16:47SPEAKERBut then, so then basically I might as well be putting on
16:50SPEAKERa blindfold for like 20 minutes.
16:52SPEAKER- I went through this exact same experience
16:54SPEAKERright before I went on this trip.
16:55SPEAKERI got a new haircut or I got a haircut at a new place
16:57SPEAKERfor the first time and same whole deal.
16:59SPEAKERIt's just like, boy, I am really trusting this person
17:02SPEAKERwith my life right now because you can't see a thing
17:05SPEAKERthey're doing to me.
17:06SPEAKER- I was like the only, I told this guy,
17:08SPEAKERhe was like, what do you want?
17:09SPEAKERI was like, I want a little bit longer than you
17:11SPEAKERthe last time.
17:11SPEAKERAnd I want it, but I still, like I need, I'm an old guy.
17:16SPEAKERSo I need to look like an old guy
17:17SPEAKERand have like a respectable grownup haircut.
17:19SPEAKERI can't look like one of those,
17:21SPEAKERlike the broccoli haircut that the K-pop kids have now.
17:23SPEAKERThat would be bad.
17:24SPEAKER- I mean, you could.
17:25SPEAKER- The guy before me got one of those
17:27SPEAKERand he was also about my age.
17:28SPEAKERI was like, you can't do that to me, bro.
17:30SPEAKER- No way.
17:31SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm in there and I'm like,
17:35SPEAKERI, it's like, I take off the glasses.
17:37SPEAKERI put on the blindfold 20 minutes later.
17:39SPEAKERIt's like, surprise, what did you do to me?
17:43SPEAKERAnd how long is this going to take to get better?
17:45SPEAKERAnd I just want that.
17:47SPEAKERI want to get back to the, make me look cool relationship.
17:49SPEAKERLike I miss that relationship.
17:51SPEAKER- Yeah, well, look, you know,
17:53SPEAKERa lot of things get more complicated as you age, it seems.
17:57SPEAKER- This is why people start shaving their head, Brad.
17:58SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying.
17:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, look, sometimes you just,
18:01SPEAKERit's a trade off, right?
18:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
18:04SPEAKER- Now does the beard get touched in this situation
18:06SPEAKERor is that all you?
18:07SPEAKER- So the beard trims have gotten expensive now.
18:10SPEAKERCause I go to a barber where they actually,
18:11SPEAKERit's not like it's a $5 add on.
18:13SPEAKERIt's like 25 bucks for a beard trim.
18:15SPEAKER- Man, man.
18:16SPEAKER- And, and, but also the trim that they do
18:20SPEAKERdoesn't represent $25 worth of beard.
18:24SPEAKERLike their rule on their shop is it's one clipper length.
18:27SPEAKERAnd I'm like a two clip.
18:29SPEAKERI have like a side length and a bottom length.
18:31SPEAKER- You have a complicated beard.
18:32SPEAKER- I have a tricky beard.
18:33SPEAKERSo sometimes he does a little bit of touch up,
18:35SPEAKERbut like today I did some work before I go.
18:39SPEAKERSo I don't, so I don't get the question,
18:41SPEAKERhey, you want me to touch up your beard?
18:41SPEAKERI was like, no, it's good.
18:42SPEAKERI got it, I got it, man.
18:44SPEAKER- A little pre-gaming for the haircut.
18:46SPEAKER- Also one time he came down and like came down
18:49SPEAKERon the top of the mustache so that there was like skin
18:52SPEAKERbetween the beard and the mustache and the nose.
18:55SPEAKER- The bald strip on your mustache.
18:57SPEAKER- But it kind of made me look like,
18:59SPEAKERlike the Spanish villain from a 1920s movie,
19:02SPEAKERwhich I was kind of okay with.
19:04SPEAKERI mean, that was a little, it looked a little bit dashing,
19:06SPEAKERbut also I didn't want to have to maintain that.
19:08SPEAKERSo I just let it grow back.
19:09SPEAKER- Sometimes in order to look cool,
19:11SPEAKERyou have to bring back the classics.
19:13SPEAKER- It's true.
19:14SPEAKERI think maybe I'll start waxing the mustache
19:15SPEAKERon top of the beard.
19:16SPEAKERMaybe that's the thing I should do.
19:17SPEAKER- You've got the length for it.
19:19SPEAKER- Oh, it's there.
19:20SPEAKER(upbeat music)
19:23SPEAKEROkay, so I've learned something new about having kids.
19:26SPEAKER- Oh man, it's every day is a new adventure, right?
19:28SPEAKER- Oh, you have no idea, man.
19:31SPEAKERI've gotten a little taste of it this week.
19:33SPEAKER- Oh yeah, you're with the nieces and nephews.
19:35SPEAKERYou're getting that child life.
19:37SPEAKER- Yep.
19:38SPEAKER- Why do kids hate charging their phones, Brad?
19:40SPEAKER- I mean, do they actively disdain it
19:42SPEAKERor do they just like kind of neglect it
19:44SPEAKERwithout thinking about it?
19:45SPEAKER- No, let me give you a sample interaction.
19:48SPEAKER- Okay.
19:49SPEAKER- Hey child, you're getting ready to be out of the house
19:51SPEAKERfor a full day.
19:52SPEAKERI spent a fair amount of money,
19:53SPEAKERboth at one time cost and monthly
19:56SPEAKERso that you could have a telephone
19:57SPEAKERthat you desperately needed
19:59SPEAKERand also that we felt was important
20:01SPEAKERbecause you're out doing things autonomously more often now.
20:03SPEAKER- Yes, and knowing you as I do,
20:05SPEAKERyou all spend a further amount of money
20:07SPEAKERequipping your house to charge in any scenario.
20:11SPEAKER- We-
20:12SPEAKER- Like there are numerous charging configurations
20:14SPEAKERaround the house.
20:15SPEAKER- We got pads, we got USB to lightning.
20:18SPEAKERShe's a lightning 'cause she says SE still,
20:20SPEAKERbut because you need a small hand, small phone.
20:22SPEAKERBut yeah, so she has plenty of opportunities to charge.
20:25SPEAKERThere's chargers next to her bed.
20:27SPEAKERThere's chargers on her desk.
20:28SPEAKERShe could use the charger in the living room.
20:30SPEAKERChargers galore.
20:33SPEAKERHey child, you're getting ready to leave the house
20:35SPEAKERfor 10 hours today.
20:36SPEAKERIs your phone charged?
20:38SPEAKEROh yeah, dad, I'm good.
20:38SPEAKERI'm at 30%.
20:39SPEAKER- (laughs) What?
20:41SPEAKER- Right. - What?
20:42SPEAKER- Right.
20:43SPEAKER- Dude, I cannot sit comfortably at 30%
20:46SPEAKERon any device I own
20:48SPEAKERwhen I know I'm not leaving the house
20:49SPEAKERfor the rest of the day.
20:51SPEAKER- She's like, I called her.
20:53SPEAKERI was like, "Hey, you didn't answer your phone
20:54SPEAKERwhen I called you."
20:55SPEAKERShe's like, "Yeah, I know, I ran out of battery."
20:57SPEAKERWell, how did you charge it the night before?
20:58SPEAKERYeah, it was good.
20:59SPEAKERIt was 35%.
21:01SPEAKERIt goes down faster when you're not on Wi-Fi.
21:05SPEAKERLike it lasts a long time on Wi-Fi.
21:06SPEAKERI get that.
21:07SPEAKERI get that that sets a false expectation.
21:09SPEAKERIt's like when you're on the cellular modem
21:11SPEAKERand not on Wi-Fi, the battery goes down fast.
21:15SPEAKER- Look, some people...
21:17SPEAKERWas it the Boy Scouts that had some motto
21:19SPEAKERabout being prepared?
21:20SPEAKERI can't remember.
21:21SPEAKER- Yeah, be prepared as Boy Scouts.
21:22SPEAKER- Right.
21:23SPEAKER- There's also a bunch of stuff about God in there.
21:24SPEAKER- Oh, of course, yes.
21:25SPEAKERLook, some people have the be prepared mentality
21:27SPEAKERand some people just let it ride.
21:30SPEAKER- I want to think that she's like,
21:31SPEAKER"Maybe I need to get a charger
21:33SPEAKERthat I can carry around with me."
21:34SPEAKERBut then that's not charge you.
21:36SPEAKERThat's just another thing to have not charged.
21:38SPEAKER- I mean, if somebody is, what's the word?
21:40SPEAKERIt's not like spiteful.
21:41SPEAKERIf somebody finds the act of charging to be grading,
21:46SPEAKERthen I assume that having to carry
21:48SPEAKERa separate battery pack around
21:49SPEAKERis even more of a deal breaker.
21:50SPEAKER- No, no, it's not that...
21:52SPEAKERYou know what the difference is?
21:53SPEAKERIt's that the act of charging isn't grading.
21:55SPEAKERIt's that there's absolutely no anxiety
21:57SPEAKERabout running out of battery.
21:58SPEAKER- I see, okay.
21:59SPEAKER- Yeah.
22:00SPEAKER- This just sounds like somebody
22:01SPEAKERwho has not really learned fear
22:03SPEAKERof a number of things in life yet.
22:06SPEAKER- Well, I mean, and maybe that's it.
22:09SPEAKERMaybe for me, it's like,
22:11SPEAKER"Oh God, if my battery runs out,
22:12SPEAKERit's going to be like I'm living in the 90s again."
22:14SPEAKER- Right, maybe that's what it is.
22:15SPEAKERMaybe we know what it was like before.
22:17SPEAKER- Well, I mean, there were some upsides
22:19SPEAKERto not being able to have anybody track you down
22:22SPEAKERat any moment all the time.
22:24SPEAKER- Well, but for her, she looks at the 90s
22:26SPEAKERand she's like, "Man, the 90s looked really cool."
22:28SPEAKERSo maybe she's trying to go back to the 90s.
22:30SPEAKERIt's like a way of having a time machine.
22:32SPEAKER- Man, aside, this is a rebellion I can support actually.
22:35SPEAKERI don't know, but yeah.
22:38SPEAKERI hate to mark myself as this kind of guy,
22:41SPEAKERalthough maybe it was probably abundantly clear
22:44SPEAKERthat I was already this type of guy.
22:45SPEAKERBut every time I see somebody post a screenshot
22:47SPEAKERthey've taken to their phone,
22:48SPEAKERpeople just take screenshots of their phones
22:49SPEAKERconstantly for whatever.
22:51SPEAKERIt has to be probably 80% or more of those photos I see
22:56SPEAKERthat are like in the 30% or even maybe like
22:59SPEAKERall the way down to single digit battery.
23:01SPEAKERJust like how do you live like this?
23:04SPEAKER- Well, okay.
23:04SPEAKERThe worst ones, now that everybody has notches
23:07SPEAKERand the bar doesn't show the number
23:09SPEAKERwhen you're just on the home screen anymore, it's less bad.
23:12SPEAKERBut in the old days when you could choose to show the number
23:14SPEAKERor not show the number
23:15SPEAKERand people would not have the number showing,
23:16SPEAKERthat also would make me crazy.
23:18SPEAKER- Yes, I know people who actively disable the number
23:21SPEAKERbecause they don't want to think about it.
23:22SPEAKERThey don't want to obsess over it all the time,
23:23SPEAKERwhich I guess I can respect, but.
23:24SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, I get that.
23:26SPEAKER- You know, I just like to,
23:27SPEAKERyou never know what's gonna happen out there.
23:29SPEAKERIt's nice to be equipped for any possibility I find.
23:34SPEAKER- Look, you're never gonna have,
23:37SPEAKERyou're never gonna be in a situation where you're like,
23:39SPEAKERoh man, I wish I had less phone battery, right?
23:42SPEAKER- It's not like the phone gets lighter
23:43SPEAKERas you deplete energy from it or something.
23:46SPEAKER- You're not making it last longer,
23:47SPEAKERbut I mean, I guess kind of you are, but not really.
23:50SPEAKER- Just charge the damn phone, kid.
23:52SPEAKER- Plug it in.
23:53SPEAKERI was the only, I find consistently on planes,
23:56SPEAKERI feel like I'm the only person plugging my phone
23:58SPEAKERinto the back of the seat at the end of the flight
24:00SPEAKERto make sure, like, I want to get off that plane
24:02SPEAKERwith a fully fresh, ready to go new battery.
24:05SPEAKER- Oh, see, I never plug in on the plane.
24:08SPEAKERI just turn it off.
24:09SPEAKER- Man.
24:10SPEAKER- I always use other devices.
24:11SPEAKER- When you're getting off the plane, you know,
24:13SPEAKERit's like wherever you're going next,
24:15SPEAKERyou might want more battery there.
24:17SPEAKER- Wait, so you're like, from the time you land
24:19SPEAKERto the time you taxi to the door,
24:20SPEAKERyou plug the phone back in?
24:22SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:23SPEAKEROr just, you know, as we're descending or whatever,
24:26SPEAKERit's like, hey, you know, if the phone's down to like 70%,
24:28SPEAKERwhat if it was 100 by the time I got off the plane?
24:30SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but don't you just have it plugged in
24:32SPEAKERwhile you're using it on the plane?
24:34SPEAKER- I'm using other devices on the plane.
24:35SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
24:36SPEAKER- So the battery, the phone has just gone down
24:39SPEAKERfrom like use at the gates or listening to music or something.
24:42SPEAKER- Got it.
24:43SPEAKERYou're not plugging in in the Uber though, right?
24:45SPEAKER- No, no, no, definitely not.
24:47SPEAKERLike, I think I can trust the USB ports
24:49SPEAKERin the airline seats.
24:51SPEAKERI'm not so sure about the one on offer in a stranger's car.
24:55SPEAKER- Yeah, no, that's a good choice.
24:56SPEAKER(upbeat music)
24:59SPEAKERI hate this friend slop name, Brad.
25:01SPEAKER- You hate the name, not the concept to be clear?
25:03SPEAKER- Yeah, like Metroid Brania, I can get behind that one.
25:06SPEAKERThat one's good. - Wait, really?
25:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gross, but it's good.
25:09SPEAKER- Well, okay, I will agree with you that it's gross,
25:11SPEAKERbut I regret to inform you.
25:12SPEAKERI have stated publicly for the record,
25:15SPEAKERI am very anti-Metroid Brania.
25:17SPEAKER- You didn't like Metroid Vania 10 years either though.
25:19SPEAKER- Oh, I never had a problem with that one.
25:21SPEAKER- Okay, okay.
25:22SPEAKER- I don't know, I think Metroid Brania
25:25SPEAKERis maybe just like a hair too cute for me.
25:27SPEAKER- For me though, friend slop sucks because those games,
25:31SPEAKERlike the gap between those games that are good
25:33SPEAKERand those games that are bad is like a million
25:36SPEAKERreally hard little decisions and tweaks and timing things.
25:40SPEAKER- Yeah, are there bad ones out there?
25:42SPEAKERLike I've, let's see.
25:43SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
25:44SPEAKER- Okay, so just to define what we're talking about,
25:47SPEAKERthis is a term that has been coined to describe.
25:50SPEAKER- It's proximity check games, basically.
25:52SPEAKER- Proximity check games, like your $10 like co-op.
25:55SPEAKERI mean, I guess originally it was kind of just
25:57SPEAKERthe horror extraction games like Lethal Company
25:59SPEAKERand Rebo and Content Warning.
26:01SPEAKER- I think, yeah, Lethal Company Elikes
26:04SPEAKERis what I was calling them before.
26:05SPEAKER- But now it's being applied to stuff like Peak
26:07SPEAKERand to be fair, I think we've both read the Aftermath piece
26:11SPEAKERthat it hit this week about the term.
26:13SPEAKER- Yeah, which basically the gist of which is
26:16SPEAKERit's nobody's, it's fine to dunk on friend slop as a name
26:20SPEAKERbecause everybody thinks that friend slop is a stupid name.
26:22SPEAKER- Yeah, like even the person who apparently coined the term
26:25SPEAKERhas come out and said, "Hey, I was just kidding."
26:26SPEAKERAlthough frankly, if you were getting dragged
26:29SPEAKERfor the dumb term you came up with like,
26:32SPEAKERthat seems like exactly what you would come out and say.
26:34SPEAKER- I was just joking, man.
26:35SPEAKER- So who knows, anyway, those games are awesome though.
26:37SPEAKERLike, I don't know if they, I don't know if,
26:39SPEAKERI don't know if that was a friend slop derogatory situation
26:42SPEAKERor not, but I love that.
26:43SPEAKERLike, I don't mind admitting that like that style of like,
26:47SPEAKERbut between Lethal Company and Peak,
26:49SPEAKERlike not just the horror extraction games, but.
26:51SPEAKER- I thought content warning was really fun.
26:53SPEAKERI would play more repo, repo was great.
26:55SPEAKERPhasmophobia kind of in that category.
26:57SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think Peak is the one that has convinced me
26:59SPEAKERlike, oh, there's like, there's something to this
27:01SPEAKERbeyond just the, like that very specific low-fi
27:06SPEAKERor extraction sort of vibe.
27:08SPEAKERLike, but that kind of cooperative proximity chat
27:11SPEAKERgoofing off with your friends sort of situation
27:14SPEAKERis like some of the most fun I've had in video games
27:16SPEAKERin the last several years.
27:18SPEAKER- I think for me, it's less of a genre
27:21SPEAKERand more of a, I mean, like it's, yeah, it's weird, right?
27:27SPEAKER'Cause like we have a Looney Tunes one of those
27:30SPEAKER'cause Peak is Looney Tunes friend slop, right?
27:32SPEAKERAnd Phasmophobia is jump scare horror friend slop
27:35SPEAKERas is Lethal Company and I guess repo
27:37SPEAKERand most of those others.
27:40SPEAKERBut like, I hope we're expanding into new threshold,
27:44SPEAKERnew genre boundaries here 'cause like, like I look at Peak
27:51SPEAKERand I was playing with some friends the other day
27:53SPEAKERand like one of us was climbing a pillar,
27:57SPEAKERtwo people were dead, one person was climbing a big column
27:59SPEAKERand I was standing at the top waiting to grab that person
28:02SPEAKERwho was making the long climb.
28:04SPEAKERAnd then I heard the gurgling sound
28:05SPEAKERof one of those ice geysers beside me
28:08SPEAKERand I was like, oh shit, I gotta look
28:10SPEAKERand see if I'm too close to that.
28:11SPEAKERI turned and looked and it fired
28:13SPEAKERand just fired me off the side of the mountain.
28:16SPEAKERAnd like, that's like 15 really difficult decisions
28:20SPEAKERthat were made somewhere along the way
28:22SPEAKERthat they were setting up, not even that level
28:25SPEAKER'cause the levels are generated procedurally,
28:27SPEAKERbut like how that geyser works
28:30SPEAKERhad these incredibly complicated series of decisions in it.
28:33SPEAKERAnd like, it's really finely tuned and really smartly made.
28:36SPEAKERAnd it is like slop to me is like what Polygon has become
28:42SPEAKERin the post having real people working their world.
28:45SPEAKERI mean, I know there's like two or three people
28:47SPEAKERstill working there, but there's a lot of AI slop
28:50SPEAKERon Polygon now that's just generated crap.
28:53SPEAKER- And like advertorial and stuff like that.
28:55SPEAKERI would love, this seems like this is probably a topic
28:58SPEAKERfor this very podcast sometime,
28:59SPEAKERbut you would need to talk to somebody
29:01SPEAKERwith very specific domain knowledge about this.
29:04SPEAKERI would love to know what the algorithm looks like
29:06SPEAKERor maybe what the seating looks like
29:07SPEAKERfor generating something like the mountains in peak
29:11SPEAKERbecause like you've got those geysers
29:14SPEAKERand obviously it would probably be very easy
29:16SPEAKERto just do some like truly random distribution
29:19SPEAKERto place the geysers, but like to bias them
29:22SPEAKERin the way that they do.
29:23SPEAKERYou know, the geysers, the little handholds,
29:25SPEAKERthe like the pittance and the little ledges
29:28SPEAKERthat poke out in the middle of a long other ledge.
29:30SPEAKERAnd still don't know exactly how to say that word,
29:32SPEAKERbut yes, like the climbing gear that they distribute,
29:34SPEAKERlike it's all very intelligently placed.
29:36SPEAKERAnd I would love to know like what the weights look like
29:38SPEAKERfor the algorithms that generate stuff like that.
29:40SPEAKERI mean, I'm sure that's like very established practice
29:42SPEAKERat this point after 20 plus years
29:45SPEAKERof procedural content in video games,
29:46SPEAKERbut like I'd still for like for a lay person,
29:49SPEAKERI would love to hear an explanation of like
29:51SPEAKERhow the waiting is done for that kind of generation.
29:55SPEAKER- And yeah, that procedural generation stuff,
29:56SPEAKERit's not like you say it's established over 20 years,
30:00SPEAKERbut it really changes wildly on a game to game basis, right?
30:03SPEAKERLike on that game, they have to know how far
30:08SPEAKERlike one stamina bar will carry you.
30:10SPEAKERAnd then like the gaps between the average gap
30:13SPEAKERbetween standing spot has to be, you know,
30:16SPEAKERthat number minus something so that people can do it
30:20SPEAKERwhen they're carrying backpacks or injured or whatever.
30:22SPEAKERAnd like, I think they do prefabs.
30:25SPEAKERI like looking at it, I feel like there's some shapes
30:27SPEAKERthat I see that are pretty common.
30:31SPEAKER- Okay.
30:31SPEAKER- And then they connect, they have connection points
30:33SPEAKERthat things can happen on.
30:35SPEAKERLike they can have bridge to bridge
30:36SPEAKERor they can have vine to vine or, you know, whatever.
30:40SPEAKERBut like the set of things that had to happen
30:44SPEAKERfor there to be a long climb
30:45SPEAKERand a way that I got up faster another way
30:48SPEAKERand a geyser standing on the side of it.
30:50SPEAKERAnd then for the timing to work for the gurgle sound to hit
30:56SPEAKERand me turn to look at it and have time to turn
30:58SPEAKERand look at it and pause and be like, well, I'm fucked
31:00SPEAKERbefore getting fired off the edge of the cliff
31:02SPEAKERand scream is really hard to do.
31:06SPEAKERAnd like the games that do this well,
31:09SPEAKERthe games that are not friend slop,
31:10SPEAKERthat are awesome things to do with your friends,
31:12SPEAKERcreate those situations over and over and over
31:15SPEAKERand over and over again so that you have,
31:18SPEAKERlike I have this script set up on my streaming machine
31:23SPEAKERand every time somebody makes a clip in Twitch,
31:26SPEAKERit just saves that clip locally on my hard drive there.
31:29SPEAKERAnd then at the end of the night, it copies all those clips
31:31SPEAKERover into a folder on my NAS so I can get to my main PC
31:35SPEAKERand go through them and pull out the good ones.
31:37SPEAKER- That's a good idea.
31:38SPEAKER- With most games, I just, I go through
31:41SPEAKERand I take like one out of 10, maybe.
31:44SPEAKERAnd it goes into like a clip reel that shows
31:45SPEAKERat the start of screens or what screens
31:47SPEAKERor when I'm like need to be right back or something.
31:50SPEAKERWith Peek, I just copy every clip that was generated
31:52SPEAKERthat's not a dupe and put it in the folder.
31:55SPEAKER- Okay. - 'Cause they're all good.
31:56SPEAKER- Yep, uh-huh.
31:57SPEAKER- And like that doesn't happen by accident.
31:59SPEAKERThat is not Slop, that is the antithesis of Slop.
32:02SPEAKER- Yes, also, by the way, not to just turn this
32:04SPEAKERinto like a Peek fan podcast,
32:06SPEAKERwhich I feel like we're dangerously close to.
32:07SPEAKER- I can do that.
32:08SPEAKER- The last time we talked about this,
32:09SPEAKERwhich was like a week and a half ago, I think.
32:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:12SPEAKER- I think that game had passed the 1 million mark.
32:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:15SPEAKER- It's past 5 million now.
32:17SPEAKER- Oh, it's probably well past that.
32:18SPEAKERThey sold 5 million in the first month, they said.
32:20SPEAKER- It's crazy, but I regret to inform you
32:24SPEAKERthe procedural generation has turned mean in that game.
32:27SPEAKER- Oh, no.
32:28SPEAKER- I had a chance to get one good, so we talked about this,
32:30SPEAKERyour daughter's solo climb, just like I'm going.
32:35SPEAKER- Don't say, just go up is her strategy.
32:37SPEAKERThat's the entirety of her strategy.
32:38SPEAKER- So I had time to get one good solo game in
32:40SPEAKERbefore I left town.
32:42SPEAKER- Okay.
32:42SPEAKER- When I got to the jungle, every single vine,
32:46SPEAKERnot the tiny vines that you hand over hand on,
32:50SPEAKERbut the big ones that you can climb up and stand on,
32:52SPEAKERevery single one of them had spikes on it.
32:54SPEAKER- Oh, yeah. - Or thorns.
32:55SPEAKER- That was a nasty seed that day.
32:57SPEAKER- Did you get that one?
32:58SPEAKER- Oh, yeah. - There was not a single vine
32:59SPEAKERon the jungle map that did not have thorns on it,
33:01SPEAKERand I burned every item I had
33:03SPEAKERto get to the top of that mountain.
33:05SPEAKER- We, so, okay, last peak thing.
33:09SPEAKERI was watching Patrick and Chia at remap play yesterday,
33:14SPEAKERand I think it was their first time really playing for real.
33:17SPEAKER- Okay.
33:18SPEAKER- And it's so fun watching people discover
33:21SPEAKERthe complexity of that game.
33:22SPEAKERThey got that you can slide along the hand over hand vines,
33:25SPEAKERbut they never got that you can do the flying leap,
33:28SPEAKERand actively, like, at some point when somebody was like,
33:32SPEAKERhey, we should try to jump down
33:33SPEAKERand grab that chain on the way down,
33:34SPEAKERthe other one was like, are you out of your mind?
33:36SPEAKERThere's no way we can do that, and I'm like,
33:38SPEAKERoh, man, like, when that hits, it's gonna be so good.
33:43SPEAKERIt's such a special thing.
33:45SPEAKERAnyway, peak's really good.
33:47SPEAKERGo buy a peak, it's great.
33:48SPEAKER- That's right, it's the opposite of slop.
33:51SPEAKERIt's the slopposite.
33:52SPEAKER(upbeat music)
33:55SPEAKER- Okay, Brad, I wish more stuff was like modern glue sticks.
33:59SPEAKER- I'm always saying this, but how do you mean?
34:02SPEAKER- Have you used a modern glue stick?
34:04SPEAKER- Okay, this sounds really stupid, I started to say.
34:06SPEAKERI don't know if I've even used like an old retro glue stick,
34:09SPEAKERbut I'm sure I did at some point.
34:10SPEAKER- Yeah, you used them in, like,
34:11SPEAKERwe used those in elementary school a lot.
34:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, we were way more,
34:14SPEAKERand I'm sure this is most people in the '80s,
34:16SPEAKERwe were way more of the bottled Elmer's.
34:19SPEAKER- Yeah, the classic Elmer's. - Classic Elmer's,
34:20SPEAKERthe Elmer's Goo.
34:22SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:23SPEAKER- What distinguishes a modern glue stick
34:25SPEAKERfrom a classic one?
34:26SPEAKER- Well, so I think the rise of scrapbooking
34:29SPEAKERcaused some advances to happen in glue stick technology.
34:32SPEAKER- Okay, and this is kind of exciting, actually,
34:35SPEAKERbecause I feel like there are so many different domains
34:38SPEAKERof technology and material science and so forth
34:41SPEAKERthat have quietly gotten really advanced over time.
34:44SPEAKERI have high expectations here,
34:45SPEAKERbecause I bet there have been some glue innovations
34:47SPEAKERin the last 30 years.
34:49SPEAKER- So, okay, so two things.
34:50SPEAKEROne is it's washable now, the glue stick,
34:52SPEAKERso you can use it, you can give it to a kid, no big deal.
34:55SPEAKER- Man, smear all over the walls, go nuts.
34:58SPEAKER- Yeah, non-toxic, so if the kid eats it, also good.
35:00SPEAKERI think that was always the case, probably.
35:03SPEAKERThe big one, though, is that when you put it on the paper,
35:06SPEAKERit's purple, and when it's dry, it's clear.
35:11SPEAKERSo it has built-in chemistry that lets you know
35:14SPEAKERwhen it's ready to go.
35:15SPEAKER- That's cool, all right.
35:16SPEAKER- And if you can't see it anymore, you've waited too long.
35:19SPEAKER- Is that one of those pieces of secretly encoded
35:23SPEAKERinformation?
35:24SPEAKER- I mean, kind of secretly, I can't, the focus is bad,
35:27SPEAKERbut yeah, so it's like a bright purple.
35:30SPEAKERSo I didn't, like, it's real purple.
35:32SPEAKER- Wow, that's very purple.
35:33SPEAKER- Yeah, extremely purple.
35:34SPEAKER- And then it just vanishes?
35:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so I wish we had this technology for other stuff.
35:39SPEAKERRight? - Okay, yeah, what do you got?
35:41SPEAKER- Like, I wish we had this, I mean, toast, obviously,
35:44SPEAKERhas this technology built in.
35:45SPEAKER- Yes, toast.
35:47SPEAKER- But like, I wish, you know,
35:49SPEAKERoccasionally when we order groceries,
35:50SPEAKERwe'll get one of those, like, pre-packaged,
35:52SPEAKERlike, spaghettis or meatloaf and mashed potatoes
35:54SPEAKERor whatever, just so that there's a fast and easy lunch
35:57SPEAKERwhen I'm here working from home.
35:59SPEAKERAnd I wish that it had, like, a thing that changed color
36:03SPEAKERwhen it was done.
36:04SPEAKER- Man, what if all food just turned to some really off color,
36:07SPEAKERlike some off-putting color when it was no longer, like...
36:10SPEAKER- I think, oh, when it was stale, when it was bad?
36:12SPEAKER- When your ham turns green, you know?
36:15SPEAKER- I mean, that does kind of happen.
36:17SPEAKERGreen ham eggs. - Fair, fair, fair.
36:19SPEAKERI started to say, like, oh, you know,
36:20SPEAKERyour strawberries turned black or something,
36:22SPEAKERbut if you keep strawberries around long enough,
36:23SPEAKERthey probably will do exactly that.
36:25SPEAKER- Well, but like, the problem is that they don't go,
36:27SPEAKERlike, the color's really subtle until it's too less.
36:31SPEAKER- Yep.
36:33SPEAKER- And like, having just had a bout of food poisoning
36:35SPEAKERcaused by eating leftovers.
36:38SPEAKER- Okay, now I see where this is coming from.
36:41SPEAKER- Look, we had the same thing two weeks in a row,
36:43SPEAKERseven days apart, right?
36:45SPEAKERAnd I ate the leftovers that were from the first run,
36:48SPEAKERnot the second run.
36:49SPEAKER- Okay.
36:50SPEAKER- At about day nine or 10.
36:52SPEAKER- Huh, all right.
36:54SPEAKER- It was bad.
36:55SPEAKERI did a bad job cleaning the fridge the week before,
36:57SPEAKERso it's on me.
36:59SPEAKER- Can I ask what the food item was in question?
37:00SPEAKER- I don't wanna talk about it.
37:01SPEAKERNo, I'm not, no. - No, I'm really curious.
37:03SPEAKER- I'm just a secret.
37:04SPEAKER- This could be a cautionary tale for all of our listeners,
37:07SPEAKERhey.
37:08SPEAKER- Look, yeah, the cautionary tale is clean your damn fridge,
37:11SPEAKERand don't be like,
37:14SPEAKERif the thing's like, oh, it's probably got a day left,
37:16SPEAKERjust get rid of it.
37:17SPEAKERIt's not, I assure you.
37:19SPEAKER- Interesting.
37:20SPEAKERI mean, I just finished some eight-day-old barbecue
37:22SPEAKERlast night.
37:23SPEAKERI don't know if the clock is ticking or not, but.
37:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I think barbecue's probably safe.
37:26SPEAKER- Yeah, probably.
37:28SPEAKER- Like, barbecue's already, it's been through the smoker,
37:30SPEAKERit's probably been warmed up in a pan,
37:32SPEAKERit's got some sauce on it.
37:34SPEAKERYou're good.
37:35SPEAKERLike, there's nothing in there.
37:36SPEAKER- Was this some eight-day-old sashimi or something?
37:38SPEAKERSo curious. - Oh, God, no.
37:39SPEAKERNo, no, no, no, no.
37:40SPEAKER- I'm so curious.
37:41SPEAKERIt was much more mundane than that.
37:42SPEAKERBut yeah, so having been on a gastric voyage
37:47SPEAKERof discovery recently, I wish that my food
37:50SPEAKERwould just change colors when it's like,
37:53SPEAKERno, dog, you shouldn't eat this anymore.
37:54SPEAKER(upbeat music)
37:57SPEAKEROkay, so I've had the basic Exacto knife.
38:02SPEAKERYou know, it's the narrow one with the angled blade,
38:06SPEAKERthe standard, it's like, when you think Exacto knife,
38:09SPEAKERthis is what you think of, right?
38:11SPEAKERIt looks like a medical implement.
38:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's for crafts,
38:14SPEAKERbut you can use it for medical implements in a pinch.
38:17SPEAKER- You could probably do surgery with it
38:19SPEAKERin a demanding enough situation.
38:22SPEAKERLet me ask really quick, actually, before you get into it,
38:25SPEAKERis Exacto like Kleenex or Xerox?
38:28SPEAKER- I think if you ask them,
38:29SPEAKERthey'd probably have a different set of feelings about that.
38:31SPEAKERBut it is a, this is a utility razor,
38:36SPEAKERprobably is the generic term for Exacto would be my guess.
38:39SPEAKER- Okay, so Exacto is a brand name
38:41SPEAKERthan what I mean for, I guess,
38:43SPEAKERmaybe especially non-Americans
38:44SPEAKERwho might not be exposed to brands like Kleenex as much,
38:46SPEAKERbut it's like the brand name
38:48SPEAKERthat has become the stand-in for the generic term.
38:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it's-
38:51SPEAKER- Like a lot of Americans say Kleenex
38:54SPEAKERinstead of tissue these days, for example.
38:56SPEAKER- When I think of an Exacto,
38:57SPEAKERwhat I'm talking about is a fine detail razor utility knife
39:02SPEAKERthat has a replaceable blade.
39:04SPEAKER- Got right, sure.
39:05SPEAKERBut there is an Exacto company that makes Exacto-
39:07SPEAKER- 100%, yeah. - Okay, got it.
39:09SPEAKER- They're really careful, like the box that I got
39:11SPEAKERwith my special Exacto kit has Exacto written on it.
39:13SPEAKER- Oh, look at that, yeah.
39:14SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've always had the basic ones
39:18SPEAKERthat cost like $3 when you go to any craft store.
39:21SPEAKERAnd when I went to, I needed some,
39:25SPEAKERand I ordered them from Amazon
39:26SPEAKER'cause I didn't want to go to the store.
39:28SPEAKERAnd they didn't, 'cause Amazon often doesn't sell things
39:31SPEAKERthat are like three bucks, it was like $2 more
39:34SPEAKERto get a set of fancy Exacto knives.
39:37SPEAKER- Sure.
39:38SPEAKER- And it comes with a bunch of replacement blades
39:41SPEAKERand different shapes and sizes, which is really convenient.
39:44SPEAKERBut the big thing it comes with is two different handles.
39:47SPEAKERSo there's like a thinny and a thicky.
39:50SPEAKERThe thin one is the one I've always had before,
39:51SPEAKERbut the thick one is awesome
39:53SPEAKERfor when you really need to like dig into something
39:55SPEAKER'cause it's much more comfortable in your hand.
39:58SPEAKERAnd then the real thicky has like a screwdriver handle on it.
40:03SPEAKERSo like one is just like a sized up normal Exacto knife.
40:06SPEAKERAnd then the other one is like, you could just-
40:08SPEAKER- Oh man.
40:09SPEAKER- Put this thing in your fist and whack it something.
40:11SPEAKER- I don't like the way you're gripping that blade.
40:13SPEAKERThat looks a little bit threatening.
40:16SPEAKER- Look, you're 2,000 miles away, you're safe.
40:18SPEAKER- Probably so.
40:18SPEAKERI'm not sure a blade of that precision
40:20SPEAKERis meant to have a handle
40:21SPEAKERthat gives that much control on it, actually.
40:23SPEAKERI'm not sure.
40:24SPEAKERThat much force, it's not control.
40:26SPEAKERIt's more, you could apply a lot of force
40:28SPEAKERto that tiny blade with that handle.
40:30SPEAKER- Well, I'll tell you, we use it for everything
40:32SPEAKERfrom like pumpkin carving to like working out
40:35SPEAKERlike big chunks of,
40:37SPEAKERlike you can take out a big piece of wood or something
40:38SPEAKERif you need to carve something with that thing.
40:40SPEAKER- I bet you could do some fine detail work
40:42SPEAKERon a pumpkin with that thing.
40:44SPEAKER- Well, so you use the big one for the hole in the top.
40:47SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.
40:47SPEAKER- And then you do use the little one
40:48SPEAKERfor like the teeth and the,
40:51SPEAKERlike if you wanna have like the pumpkin barfing,
40:52SPEAKERyou know, whatever, whatever you're-
40:55SPEAKER- Which you do.
40:56SPEAKER- I mean, I'm not allowed to do that anymore.
40:58SPEAKERNobody in my family thinks that's funny, but me.
41:00SPEAKER- Do you just make use of the innards?
41:01SPEAKERI mean, like that seems like using every part of the pumpkin,
41:04SPEAKERyou scoop the innards out and make that the barf, right?
41:07SPEAKER- That's exactly it, yeah.
41:09SPEAKERYeah, it's a classic, right?
41:11SPEAKER- Yes.
41:11SPEAKER- You can do things like take just the skin off
41:13SPEAKERwith the narrow ones.
41:15SPEAKERYou can have like shading on your jack-o-lantern
41:17SPEAKERif you wanna get fancy.
41:19SPEAKER- Well, sometimes you just gotta treat yourself
41:20SPEAKERto the nice tools.
41:21SPEAKERLike sometimes you would just be shocked
41:23SPEAKERat how much it improves your life.
41:25SPEAKERActually, is there a converse?
41:27SPEAKERIs there like a positive converse to, you know,
41:29SPEAKERthat old saying about like a poor craftsman
41:31SPEAKERblames his tools?
41:32SPEAKER- Oh.
41:33SPEAKER- Is there a positive version of that?
41:34SPEAKERLike a, like a, like a,
41:36SPEAKER- Like a great craftsman thanks his tools?
41:38SPEAKER- Proprases his tools or something.
41:40SPEAKER- Yeah.
41:41SPEAKER- You know what I mean?
41:42SPEAKER- Like I'm kinda anti-tool fetishism in general.
41:45SPEAKER- Yeah.
41:46SPEAKER- Right, like I feel like you, like anything else
41:50SPEAKERthat becomes a hobby.
41:51SPEAKER- Yes.
41:52SPEAKER- Like a thing unto itself if you're not careful, right?
41:54SPEAKER- It's like, it's like somewhere out there,
41:56SPEAKERthere was a forum devoted to X-Acto knives
41:58SPEAKERand similar implements where people in their,
42:01SPEAKERit's really, it's the forum SIG problem.
42:03SPEAKERLike if you were putting all the specs of your thing
42:05SPEAKERin the signature of your forum posts,
42:08SPEAKERyou maybe have gotten a little too obsessed with the tools.
42:11SPEAKER- This is a bad idea,
42:12SPEAKERbut I'm typing Japanese X-Acto knives into my,
42:16SPEAKERinto Google right now.
42:18SPEAKER- Some high quality folded steel X-Acto knives.
42:21SPEAKER- Yep, that exists.
42:23SPEAKERAlex Japanese X-Acto craft knife with blade cover.
42:27SPEAKERAnd this looks much nicer than my crappy X-Acto knives.
42:30SPEAKER- You're doing it right now.
42:30SPEAKERYou have to pull the record.
42:32SPEAKER- God, I should upgrade.
42:34SPEAKEROh, these look so nice.
42:36SPEAKERIt retracts, Brad, it retracts.
42:41SPEAKERWe had a real whiplash on my favorite sandwich place, Brad.
42:46SPEAKER- Should I ask what the favorite sandwich place is?
42:48SPEAKERI mean, there's a lot of considerations there.
42:50SPEAKER- Like when I'm talking about a favorite sandwich place,
42:53SPEAKERI'm not talking about like barbecue or like a banh mi
42:56SPEAKERor something, like I want just like a deli sandwich,
42:59SPEAKERlike a counter you go to and you're like,
43:01SPEAKERhey, I want a turkey on rye.
43:03SPEAKERAnd then they make the sandwich for you
43:05SPEAKERand they wrap it up on paper.
43:06SPEAKER- What are the staples of the classic sandwich place?
43:09SPEAKERIt's like an Italian hero, like a turkey and,
43:13SPEAKERturkey and something, like turkey and cheese
43:14SPEAKERor turkey and avocado, like a turkey and.
43:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
43:18SPEAKER- What are the other?
43:19SPEAKER- Like some salted meats, like a mortadella or bologna
43:24SPEAKERor something like that.
43:25SPEAKER- Like maybe like a chicken breast if they're fancy.
43:28SPEAKER- Yeah, like I like a chicken,
43:30SPEAKERlike a sliced chicken breast is real nice.
43:33SPEAKERSome sort of like a smoked turkey,
43:37SPEAKERlike they should have two kinds of turkey.
43:39SPEAKERIt should be like smoked turkey or mesquite turkey
43:41SPEAKERand then just like a roasted turkey.
43:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so if it's a really nice place,
43:45SPEAKERyou're gonna have probably a Reuben and like these days,
43:48SPEAKERmaybe like a Cubano as well.
43:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and like I'd expect him to have pastrami
43:53SPEAKERand I think Cubano is a San Francisco thing by the way.
43:55SPEAKERI don't see that.
43:56SPEAKER- No, I found one out here the other day, actually.
44:00SPEAKER- See that might be too fancy
44:02SPEAKERfor the kind of sandwich place I'm looking for.
44:03SPEAKERI want something that's gonna put some meat and vegetables
44:08SPEAKERor maybe just vegetables if you want,
44:09SPEAKERon like a grinder roll with some sort of sauce,
44:13SPEAKERmaybe a little oil and vinegar, if that's your jam.
44:15SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, and it is.
44:18SPEAKER- And a cheese and then roll that thing up,
44:22SPEAKERslice it into two to six pieces, depending on the length.
44:26SPEAKERAnd then you can take that out to the park,
44:28SPEAKERyou bring it home, everybody has a piece of sandwich.
44:30SPEAKERIt's really good, right?
44:33SPEAKERSo a new one opened in like one of our,
44:37SPEAKERI don't know, it's not exactly a corner market
44:39SPEAKER'cause I live in the suburbs
44:40SPEAKERand we don't really have corner markets like that,
44:42SPEAKERbut it's like the small grocery store that you stop at
44:46SPEAKERwhen you're turning into your neighborhood on the way home,
44:48SPEAKERbut not a safe way or whatever.
44:50SPEAKERAnd he opened up a sandwich counter in the back,
44:52SPEAKERlike maybe three months ago
44:54SPEAKERand made the best sandwiches I've had
44:58SPEAKERsince we moved to San Francisco.
44:59SPEAKER- Wow, that's like old claim.
45:03SPEAKER- God tier, really freaking good sandwiches.
45:07SPEAKERHe did a turkey pastrami that had shredded lettuce
45:10SPEAKERand the ratios of everything are right,
45:13SPEAKERthe shred on the lettuce is right
45:14SPEAKERso that you get a little bit of lettuce in all the bites.
45:17SPEAKERIt has decent tomatoes, but you don't want too good a tomato
45:20SPEAKER'cause you don't want, like. (laughing)
45:23SPEAKER- You don't want that tomato swaggering in there
45:24SPEAKERand hogging the spotlight.
45:26SPEAKER- Yeah, you just want, the tomato adds some wet
45:29SPEAKERand a little bit of flavor, but too much flavor.
45:31SPEAKER- I guess that's what a tomato does, yeah.
45:34SPEAKER- Yeah, and then like he had a,
45:36SPEAKERusually like the right balance on the cheese,
45:39SPEAKERlike you put like a sharp cheddar on this,
45:41SPEAKERit's gonna be too much, right?
45:42SPEAKERBut you need something to counteract that turkey
45:44SPEAKERand pastrami, you need something
45:45SPEAKERthat's gonna stand up to that, right?
45:47SPEAKER- Yep.
45:48SPEAKER- And then the star of the show
45:51SPEAKERis that he made a roasted red pepper aioli at home,
45:54SPEAKERlike grilled the peppers, burned the peppers in his backyard
45:57SPEAKERor on his grill or something and would make this aioli
46:01SPEAKERthat was like a party in your mouth
46:03SPEAKERevery time you put the sandwich in.
46:05SPEAKER- Man.
46:06SPEAKER- Is really freaking good.
46:07SPEAKER- I might have to make a pilgrimage.
46:09SPEAKERThis is, you're making a strong case.
46:10SPEAKER- Well, so I got bad news for you, Brad.
46:12SPEAKER- Oh no, oh no.
46:13SPEAKER- I told you it was hard swings today.
46:14SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
46:15SPEAKER- He closed last week.
46:17SPEAKER- What?
46:17SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause look.
46:19SPEAKER- Man, how are you?
46:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:21SPEAKER- How are you gonna go on a podcast
46:22SPEAKERand describe possibly the best sandwich you've ever had
46:25SPEAKERand then say, "Hey, the sandwich no longer exists."
46:28SPEAKER- He set up in the small grocery store
46:32SPEAKERthat's low traffic
46:32SPEAKERand makes its money selling lottery tickets and beer
46:34SPEAKERto people coming home from work
46:36SPEAKERand then was in there 70 hours a week
46:38SPEAKERand was not paying his bills.
46:41SPEAKERSo he had to go get another job someplace else.
46:43SPEAKERHis last weekend was last weekend.
46:44SPEAKER- Man.
46:45SPEAKER- And Gina went in to get a sandwich on Friday afternoon
46:50SPEAKERand he was like, "Oh, I'm so glad you came."
46:52SPEAKER'Cause he knew us, right?
46:54SPEAKERIt's been there for three months.
46:56SPEAKERWe go like maybe once a week, pretty good sandwich.
47:00SPEAKERAnd he already knew, he was like,
47:01SPEAKER"Oh, hey, I'll get your sandwich going
47:03SPEAKERwhen he sees you in the line," right?
47:04SPEAKERAnd I'm like, "Oh yeah, this is what I want," right?
47:07SPEAKERAnd now it's no more and my heart is broken.
47:10SPEAKER- That's tragic, man.
47:11SPEAKERI wish I had something more encouraging to say,
47:14SPEAKERbut that's just-
47:15SPEAKER- It's a deep and profound sense of loss I feel right now.
47:19SPEAKER- Speaking of loss, we went to a sandwich place
47:21SPEAKERout here the other day.
47:22SPEAKER- Ooh, how was it?
47:24SPEAKER- Expensive.
47:25SPEAKER- Like Subway?
47:26SPEAKER- It was good, it was good.
47:27SPEAKERThe sandwiches were excellent.
47:28SPEAKER- Okay.
47:29SPEAKER- But they were like San Francisco priced sandwiches.
47:32SPEAKER- Like 25 bucks?
47:33SPEAKER- Okay, wow.
47:35SPEAKERMaybe I haven't bought a sandwich in San Francisco
47:37SPEAKERfor a while.
47:39SPEAKERThey were like 15.
47:41SPEAKER- Wow.
47:42SPEAKER- They were 15, which is like, I mean, okay,
47:44SPEAKERmaybe they've gotten,
47:45SPEAKERmaybe they've crept up in downtown SF at this point,
47:48SPEAKERbut I think a $15 sandwich is a big city sandwich,
47:50SPEAKERexcept here we are in the mountains of North Carolina.
47:53SPEAKER- Okay, so downtown by PC World's offices,
47:56SPEAKERsandwiches are, if you get an all vegetarian sandwich,
48:00SPEAKERit's gonna be like 14, 15 bucks now.
48:02SPEAKER- Okay.
48:03SPEAKER- But like something with some meat on it
48:05SPEAKERis 20, 23 bucks probably.
48:06SPEAKER- Okay, it's been a while since I worked down there,
48:08SPEAKERto be fair.
48:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it has.
48:10SPEAKER- So maybe this is just another example
48:14SPEAKERof the rising tide of costs lifting all sandwich boats.
48:18SPEAKER- But I think we all know things are more expensive
48:22SPEAKERright now.
48:23SPEAKERWhat's a New York,
48:24SPEAKERI mean, what's on a North Carolina sandwich, Brad?
48:26SPEAKER- Oh, this was, I mean,
48:26SPEAKERkind of exactly everything we just described.
48:28SPEAKER- Did you get like the Dutch crunch?
48:29SPEAKERWhat's your bread's hitch?
48:31SPEAKER- They had sourdough.
48:33SPEAKER- They had, I'm skeptical about North Carolina.
48:36SPEAKER- This was a bakery,
48:37SPEAKERso they were making their own bread.
48:38SPEAKER- It was a sliced sourdough.
48:40SPEAKERThey had ciabatta.
48:41SPEAKERThey were out of focaccia,
48:42SPEAKERbut they normally made that.
48:44SPEAKER- Did you get a Dutch crunch there?
48:46SPEAKER- I don't believe they had Dutch crunch.
48:47SPEAKERIn fact, I had never heard of Dutch crunch at all
48:49SPEAKERuntil I moved to San Francisco.
48:50SPEAKER- I think it's a uniquely,
48:51SPEAKERI think everybody thinks sourdough
48:52SPEAKERis the San Francisco bread,
48:54SPEAKERbut in reality it's the Dutch crunch.
48:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that has been my experience at least.
48:58SPEAKER- Yeah.
48:59SPEAKERSo what kind of sandwich did you get?
49:00SPEAKERWhat'd you get?
49:00SPEAKER- Oh, I got the Italian era.
49:02SPEAKERYeah, I got the one with all the meat on it.
49:04SPEAKER- Yeah, multiple salted meats.
49:07SPEAKER- I did not eat again that night.
49:09SPEAKER- Yeah, a good sandwich.
49:10SPEAKERYou eat a good sandwich for lunch, you're good.
49:12SPEAKER- That was a late three or four o'clock lunch,
49:15SPEAKERand that kind of turned into dinner as well.
49:18SPEAKER- So the other good thing about this sandwich place
49:21SPEAKERis that that guy carries novel chip flavors
49:27SPEAKERfor the United States.
49:28SPEAKERYou could get them all dressed there.
49:29SPEAKER- Oh, good.
49:30SPEAKER- You get a ketchup chip if you wanted.
49:32SPEAKER- Sure.
49:33SPEAKERI mean, I don't know why you would, but that's fine.
49:35SPEAKER- I mean, the all dressed are pretty good though.
49:36SPEAKER- Yes, yes, that one, the ketchup one.
49:38SPEAKER- Ketchup is fine.
49:39SPEAKER- Yes, I am of the mind that a sandwich cannot be consumed
49:42SPEAKERwithout some chips.
49:43SPEAKER- You gotta have chips.
49:44SPEAKERDo you like a Dorito?
49:45SPEAKERIs too much chip for your sandwich?
49:47SPEAKER- I don't know, that is maybe a little loud for a sandwich.
49:52SPEAKER- Been kind of a sour cream and cheddar kick this summer.
49:54SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.
49:55SPEAKER- Or the queso flavor.
49:56SPEAKER- It's a classic sour cream chicken, yeah.
50:00SPEAKER- Yeah, this one just kind of petered out, huh?
50:02SPEAKER(laughing)
50:03SPEAKER- We're both getting the glassy look in our eyes
50:05SPEAKERas we think about sandwiches and chips.
50:07SPEAKER- He gave us a pint of the aioli.
50:10SPEAKER- Wow.
50:12SPEAKER- 'Cause when Gina found out the place was closing
50:13SPEAKERon Friday, she likes a sandwich place more than I do.
50:17SPEAKERAnd he was like, come back tomorrow,
50:18SPEAKERI have something for you.
50:19SPEAKER- Man, you guys were good customers then.
50:22SPEAKER- And well, and she, 'cause she was like,
50:25SPEAKERlook, when you have a sandwich this good,
50:27SPEAKERwe went, we got it the first day 'cause somebody was like,
50:29SPEAKERhey, this new sandwich place is good.
50:30SPEAKERAnd then the next day, next time we came in,
50:32SPEAKERwe were like, hey, your sandwiches are God tier, dude.
50:35SPEAKERThese are really, really freaking good sandwiches.
50:38SPEAKERAnd he was like, oh man, thank you so much.
50:39SPEAKERAnd like, what's your name?
50:40SPEAKERAll along, we had a nice little chat.
50:42SPEAKERThen he remembered our names the next time we came in
50:44SPEAKERand like, so yeah, he gave her a pint of the aioli
50:47SPEAKERand was like, you gotta eat in the next two weeks.
50:49SPEAKERWe're like, no problem, we got this.
50:51SPEAKER(laughing)
50:52SPEAKER- It's covered, man.
50:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:53SPEAKER- There's nothing better than becoming a regular.
50:56SPEAKER- That, now that, I think we all agree on.
50:59SPEAKER(upbeat music)
51:01SPEAKERAnd on that note, I think it's time to wrap up
51:03SPEAKERanother edition of the TechPod.
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51:21SPEAKERYeah, you just had your first cold, all cold open episode.
51:25SPEAKER- Sometimes, some weeks we show up
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51:29SPEAKERSometimes we have like three different ones.
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51:33SPEAKERcold open, a good cold open, they're to be treasured.
51:36SPEAKERThat's what I say.
51:37SPEAKER- Yeah, you can talk about anything for five minutes.
51:40SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
51:41SPEAKERIt turns out, or even sandwich, man,
51:42SPEAKERI just want another sandwich though.
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52:14SPEAKER- Yes, we do.
52:14SPEAKERI mean, how many months of this podcast
52:17SPEAKERis one sandwich worth?
52:18SPEAKERQuite a few, it turns out.
52:19SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
52:20SPEAKERSo again, it's patreon.com/techpod.
52:23SPEAKERIn addition to the monthly patron exclusive episode,
52:26SPEAKERyou get access to the fabulous tech pod discord,
52:28SPEAKERwhere there is a food channel
52:30SPEAKERwhere people talk about sandwiches
52:31SPEAKERand other food all the time.
52:33SPEAKER- I bet there's some people in there
52:35SPEAKERwith some good roasted pepper aioli recipes.
52:38SPEAKER- God, I bet they're not gonna be as good as this one though.
52:40SPEAKERI should try some recipes while this stuff is still good
52:43SPEAKERso I can figure out what it is about his
52:46SPEAKERthat makes it good.
52:47SPEAKER- You think you could track him down
52:49SPEAKERand extract some of his knowledge
52:50SPEAKERbefore he vanishes from the earth?
52:52SPEAKER- Well, he told us where,
52:53SPEAKERhe told Gina where he's getting a job,
52:54SPEAKERso I don't want to out him, but I'll-
52:56SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, no, you gotta keep that to yourself.
52:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
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53:20SPEAKER- Thank you.
53:21SPEAKER- And that'll do it for us this week.
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53:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah, so send your questions to techpod@content.town.
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53:48SPEAKERThanks, Brad.
53:49SPEAKERAs always, a pleasure to see you, sir.
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