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282: You Can't Contest the Knob Feel

2025-04-13 · 1:12:13

00:00SPEAKER- Did you know you can run your own firmware on Kindles now?

00:03SPEAKER- I just weirdly the other day got a YouTube recommendation

00:07SPEAKERalong the lines of it's time to de-Amazon your Kindle.

00:10SPEAKERSo I guess I did know that.

00:12SPEAKER- Yeah, people were talking about it

00:13SPEAKERin the Discord this morning.

00:14SPEAKERAnd I was, when they first figured out

00:17SPEAKERhow to jailbreak them years and years ago,

00:19SPEAKERI looked at what you could do with the jailbroken Kindle.

00:22SPEAKERAnd it was basically like, you can put Linux on it

00:26SPEAKERand you can run a Sudoku app.

00:27SPEAKERAnd there was some, there was like a version of Snake

00:31SPEAKERor something, and that was pretty much it.

00:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I also have been of the mind

00:34SPEAKERthat it never really seemed worth it.

00:36SPEAKERBut when you mentioned the Snake is on there, I might-

00:38SPEAKER- Well, so I was curious to see,

00:40SPEAKER'cause there's this whole, there's a whole interface

00:42SPEAKERfor like your DRM-free audio books and eBooks

00:46SPEAKERthat you buy from places now.

00:48SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause that was the big thing, you know,

00:49SPEAKERthe big, what do you wanna call it?

00:51SPEAKERThe DRM kerfuffle of a couple months ago,

00:53SPEAKERthe way that they changed your ability

00:55SPEAKERto get your stuff off of there.

00:56SPEAKER- Well, and there's tools now, kind of like Plex,

01:00SPEAKERbut for eBooks and books and comics in audio bookshelf.

01:05SPEAKERAnd so I was looking at it and I was like,

01:07SPEAKERoh, is this a thing, is this a thing I can do?

01:12SPEAKERAnd then the answer turns out it's no.

01:14SPEAKER- But your model is not capable?

01:16SPEAKER- No, no, no, my model's capable.

01:17SPEAKERThere's like no interface with any kind of external,

01:22SPEAKERlike what I want is a thing that I can put books on my NAS

01:25SPEAKERand then pull them over onto the Kindle

01:27SPEAKERand all the stuff that they have are like,

01:29SPEAKERyo, you can use Glibri and plug it into USB on your computer.

01:33SPEAKERI'm like, no, I'm uninterested in this as a concept.

01:37SPEAKER- You want to use your device to consume media

01:38SPEAKERlike a normal person.

01:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I want something that is painless,

01:42SPEAKEReasy, fast, and cheap.

01:44SPEAKER- And free, not free as in like,

01:47SPEAKERI'm not gonna use the free as in beer thing here,

01:49SPEAKERbut I don't mean free as in no money,

01:51SPEAKERI mean free as in like liberating, right?

01:53SPEAKER- Exactly.

01:54SPEAKER- You can freely be able to put documents onto your device

01:56SPEAKERand consume them.

01:57SPEAKER- Exactly, so anyway, so here we are.

02:00SPEAKERIt's a bad news on the Kindle hacking front, it seems like,

02:05SPEAKERbut I mean, maybe things will change, who knows?

02:09SPEAKER- Well, first of all, I feel like I have got a laundry list

02:11SPEAKERof like six to eight different hacking.

02:13SPEAKERI use hacking in kind of not sneer quotes,

02:16SPEAKERbut goofy quotes here.

02:17SPEAKERLike I'm not actually hacking things,

02:18SPEAKERbut you know what I mean?

02:19SPEAKERLike I'm constantly looking at like,

02:21SPEAKERdid I put open WRT on my UniFi access points?

02:25SPEAKERLike it's the old Linksys custom firmware disease, right?

02:27SPEAKERCarried over to every device you own.

02:29SPEAKERLike I'm constantly looking around at things

02:31SPEAKERand thinking like, what if that RAM and open source thing

02:34SPEAKERthat's made by three people instead of whatever

02:37SPEAKERthe company put on there, but Kindle is on that list

02:39SPEAKERand I have been thinking since I saw that video.

02:41SPEAKER- Once I set Portainer up on my little server guy,

02:46SPEAKERso that running Docker containers is like

02:49SPEAKERa web-based interface instead of me having to remember

02:51SPEAKERsome esoteric commands that I'm never gonna remember

02:53SPEAKERthree months from now.

02:54SPEAKERI've started making all,

02:55SPEAKERI've started asking all sorts of questions like,

02:57SPEAKERhey, can I run Pi-hole in a Docker on my Linux box?

03:01SPEAKERAnd the answer is yes.

03:02SPEAKER- Yes, you can.

03:04SPEAKER- The real answer is probably it's better to have it

03:06SPEAKERjust on a dedicated machine for something

03:08SPEAKERthat both doles out all the IP addresses in my house.

03:11SPEAKER- Okay, check this out.

03:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:14SPEAKER- What if your second Pi-hole ran in the Docker container?

03:16SPEAKER- Okay, so I'm gonna go and tell you,

03:18SPEAKERI did get to that point.

03:20SPEAKERI was like, what if I just run the exact same configuration

03:23SPEAKERPi-hole on an x86 box in this Docker container?

03:28SPEAKERAnd then I have redundancy.

03:30SPEAKERSo I have two DNS servers instead of just one.

03:33SPEAKERBut then I realized what would happen though.

03:35SPEAKER'Cause what would happen is I wouldn't realize

03:37SPEAKERthat the first DNS server has gone down.

03:39SPEAKER'Cause it doesn't like, it's like maybe once a year,

03:42SPEAKERI need to reboot the thing.

03:44SPEAKERAnd what would happen then is I wouldn't notice

03:46SPEAKERthat it went down until the second one went down a year in.

03:50SPEAKERAnd so realistically, I'd always have checking the first DNS,

03:54SPEAKERthe DNS is down and DNS would get real slow

03:56SPEAKERfor inexplicable reasons.

03:58SPEAKERAnd nobody would complain about it.

03:59SPEAKERI just be like, man, the internet's really slow.

04:00SPEAKERBut I wouldn't look at it.

04:02SPEAKER- You've uncovered a use case where redundancy

04:04SPEAKERis somehow a net negative.

04:05SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:20SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

04:34SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

04:36SPEAKERI'm Will. - I'm Brad.

04:37SPEAKER- Brad, it's time.

04:40SPEAKER- I'm for...

04:42SPEAKER- I did a pregnant pause there, did you catch that?

04:43SPEAKER- I did.

04:44SPEAKER- It's time...

04:45SPEAKER- The anticipation is building here.

04:47SPEAKER- It's time to talk about,

04:49SPEAKERI don't wanna say ill-advised purchases,

04:52SPEAKERbut we try not to fetishize old technology here.

04:57SPEAKER- Yeah, well, maybe you do.

04:59SPEAKEROr we try it unsuccessfully, perhaps.

05:02SPEAKER- Like I dream of a world

05:03SPEAKERwhere I don't fetishize old technology.

05:05SPEAKER- Okay, yes, it's good to have goals.

05:07SPEAKER- Yeah, and about a month ago, I failed.

05:11SPEAKERWe were at the electronics flea market and I bought a...

05:14SPEAKERI saw my childhood TV.

05:16SPEAKERWe talked about this.

05:17SPEAKERI have since plugged it in, hooked up to the mystery.

05:20SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about that today.

05:21SPEAKER- Yes, we're here to talk about CRTs.

05:23SPEAKER- I did a minor repair on it.

05:25SPEAKER- Okay, that's awesome.

05:28SPEAKER- It turns out I like the CRT a lot.

05:30SPEAKERThe colors are real good.

05:31SPEAKERIt's real bright.

05:32SPEAKERAnd I forgot what video games used to look like.

05:34SPEAKER- I wanna draw a line here.

05:37SPEAKER- Yeah, hi.

05:37SPEAKER- In the context of fetishizing old technology

05:39SPEAKERaround the things you grew up with.

05:42SPEAKERI think it is perfectly fine to fetishize the things

05:45SPEAKERthat were formative for you.

05:47SPEAKERAnd maybe not CRTs writ large

05:49SPEAKERor you don't need to own every tape deck ever made,

05:51SPEAKERbut you might wanna own the tape deck

05:53SPEAKERthat you had as a child, right?

05:54SPEAKERWhich is exactly what you've done here.

05:56SPEAKERI've gone the other direction, which we'll also get to.

05:58SPEAKERBut I think as a subcategory of being into old stuff,

06:02SPEAKERbeing into the old stuff that was yours

06:04SPEAKERis perfectly fine and even good.

06:07SPEAKER- So you're saying if I go to eBay right now

06:09SPEAKERand I search for 1981 Kenner at at Walker,

06:15SPEAKERand I look at this and I'm like,

06:16SPEAKER"Oh, this is only, the yellow ones that are classic

06:19SPEAKERare only 200 bucks."

06:20SPEAKER- Acceptable use of funds.

06:22SPEAKER- Oh, I'm gonna have to talk to my wife about this.

06:24SPEAKERI bet she has different feelings.

06:25SPEAKER- Possibly, how big are those things?

06:28SPEAKER- Like two feet tall, they're not that big.

06:30SPEAKER- That's decent, I had a friend

06:32SPEAKERthat had the Millennium Falcon and that thing was large.

06:35SPEAKER- I had, so my, the Star Wars toys that I like,

06:38SPEAKERI had a bunch of, I had a TIE fighter and an X-wing

06:40SPEAKERand an A-wing and all that, B-wing,

06:42SPEAKERall these spaceships, right, the fighters.

06:45SPEAKERBut then the big one that I had was the Millennium Falcon

06:49SPEAKERand I wanted desperately to get an AT-AT.

06:52SPEAKERI think I've told this before,

06:53SPEAKERbut my parents bought me the Ewok Village instead

06:55SPEAKER'cause they thought it was cooler.

06:57SPEAKERThey were like, "Look, it has an elevator,

06:59SPEAKERthere's an escape hatch."

07:00SPEAKERThat AT-AT, all it does is stand there,

07:02SPEAKERit's like the AT-AT is the coolest thing

07:03SPEAKERthat Star Wars has ever made, mom, dad.

07:06SPEAKER- Grit your teeth and say thank you.

07:07SPEAKER- I said thank you and I played with the,

07:10SPEAKERlook, I'll tell you, the Transformers

07:12SPEAKERhad some real adventures in the Ewok Village as a child.

07:14SPEAKERLike Transformers, Star Wars, everybody, big fights there.

07:18SPEAKERBut I always wanted that Kenner AT-AT.

07:22SPEAKEROkay, another hard swerve here,

07:24SPEAKERbut these AT-ATs are all yellow, just like SNESs get.

07:28SPEAKER- Oh, that's- - Yeah.

07:30SPEAKER- I've been sifting, we'll get into this,

07:31SPEAKERI've been sifting through old consoles all week

07:33SPEAKERand that yellow plastic is a particular form of ick for me.

07:38SPEAKERIt's like it triggers something,

07:39SPEAKERsomething stomach-turning when I see it.

07:41SPEAKER- Well, Wes Fanlon, back in the tested days,

07:44SPEAKERdid a thing about how to fix this.

07:46SPEAKERIt has to do with de-brominating or something.

07:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I think, isn't the process colloquially

07:51SPEAKERcalled retrobriting, I think, if you want to look it up.

07:53SPEAKERAlthough I think that's like spelled with zero

07:55SPEAKERand B-R-I-T-E, if you're Googling this,

07:57SPEAKERit's not how you would normally expect it to be spelled.

08:00SPEAKERIt'll only look retrobrite. - Perfect.

08:03SPEAKERBut it also tends to make the plastic a little more brittle,

08:07SPEAKERwhich probably doesn't matter for your SNES,

08:09SPEAKERbut on something as thin as these old Kenner toys, it might.

08:13SPEAKER- Yeah, my Super Nintendo's got it really bad.

08:15SPEAKERThe front of my Dreamcast, not the back for whatever reason,

08:18SPEAKERwhich normally the entire panel,

08:20SPEAKERor the entire piece of plastic kind of yellows consistently.

08:24SPEAKERBut on my Dreamcast, the entire top,

08:26SPEAKERwhich again is one piece of plastic,

08:28SPEAKERis like on the front is yellowed.

08:30SPEAKERIt might've been like a sun exposure thing.

08:32SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe, maybe, that's weird.

08:35SPEAKERBut we're not here to talk about plastic

08:36SPEAKERand yellowing and all that stuff today.

08:38SPEAKERAlthough we are gonna talk about old stuff.

08:39SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about CRTs, cathode ray tubes.

08:41SPEAKER- Yeah, not broadly.

08:43SPEAKERThis is not gonna be like your one-stop shop

08:45SPEAKERfor all things CRT.

08:46SPEAKERI think this is gonna be much more hands-on.

08:48SPEAKERLike you and I both obtained CRTs recently

08:50SPEAKERand have been messing with them.

08:52SPEAKERAlthough CRT is from very different eras.

08:54SPEAKERSo this is more of like a,

08:55SPEAKERI think that this will be more of a hands-on report.

08:57SPEAKERJust kind of like, here's all the goofy stuff

08:59SPEAKERwe've had to get into to work with these.

09:01SPEAKER- Yeah, a trip report.

09:02SPEAKERSo I was at the flea market, I bought this CRT.

09:05SPEAKERIt's the one, it's literally the same TV I had as a kid.

09:09SPEAKERRight, like the one that my Nintendo and my TI-99-4A

09:13SPEAKERand later my SNES were all hooked up to.

09:15SPEAKERI got a different TV when I went to college.

09:17SPEAKERI got like a 19 inch Sharp that's in deep storage

09:21SPEAKERin the city that I kind of want to go dig out now,

09:26SPEAKERactually, after this whole experience.

09:28SPEAKER- Wait, you have a storage unit here?

09:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a storage unit.

09:31SPEAKER- Really?

09:32SPEAKER- Well, I lived in a 400 square foot apartment

09:34SPEAKERwhen I first moved here.

09:34SPEAKERSo I've had a storage unit for 20 years now,

09:37SPEAKERwhich I don't, let's not talk about that too much.

09:39SPEAKER- How often do you visit your storage unit?

09:41SPEAKER- Twice a year.

09:42SPEAKER- Really?

09:42SPEAKERJust to check in? - Yeah, probably.

09:43SPEAKER- Wait, just keep an eye on things or?

09:45SPEAKER- So for a long time, we kept like Christmas decorations

09:47SPEAKERand stuff there.

09:49SPEAKERAnd then not so much that, but of late,

09:52SPEAKERit's been going to, like we're trying to clear out

09:55SPEAKERthe one in the city, honestly,

09:56SPEAKERbecause it's a pain to get to, it's pretty small.

09:59SPEAKERIt's in an ancient building.

10:01SPEAKERAnd like, I'd rather have one that's closer to the house

10:05SPEAKERthat I don't have to drive for 30 minutes to get to.

10:08SPEAKERSo we've been gradually emptying it out is the kind of TLDR.

10:12SPEAKERBut it's mostly stuff that was like when I moved

10:15SPEAKERfrom a four bedroom house into a 400 square foot apartment,

10:17SPEAKERdidn't fit anymore, which is an incredibly stupid thing

10:21SPEAKERto store for an extended period of time.

10:23SPEAKERSo anyway, we don't need to talk about that too, too much.

10:27SPEAKERBut what I do want to, so the TV is a GE,

10:29SPEAKERit's an 11 inch GE RF only set,

10:32SPEAKERwhich means it does not have an RCA plug

10:35SPEAKERor even a coaxial plug.

10:37SPEAKERIt has four screws on the back,

10:39SPEAKERtwo leads for VHF and two leads for UHF.

10:42SPEAKER- Sorry, can I stop you and have you read the model number?

10:45SPEAKER- Yeah, you want the model number?

10:45SPEAKERIt's the General Electric 10, alpha beta,

10:49SPEAKER3406, whiskey, foxtrot 02.

10:53SPEAKER- Rolls off the tongue.

10:54SPEAKER- Yeah, let me tell you, the nice thing is, very searchable.

10:58SPEAKERThere was one page on the internet with information about it

11:01SPEAKERand it had no, nothing of value.

11:05SPEAKERThe GE page recognized it as a GE part number,

11:08SPEAKERlike the GE part number lookup recognized it

11:11SPEAKERas a GE serial number or model number format,

11:14SPEAKERbut didn't have any information about it.

11:15SPEAKER'Cause it's from like 1984, '85.

11:17SPEAKER- Oh, was it that recent?

11:18SPEAKERI was thinking like mid '70s or something.

11:21SPEAKER- No, so I think, so I could for $22

11:25SPEAKERbuy a photo fact original manual,

11:30SPEAKERwhich contains schematics, voltages, waveforms,

11:33SPEAKERcomponent location guides, parts list,

11:35SPEAKERand adjustments covering this particular model of TV,

11:39SPEAKERbut I didn't want to pay $22 for that.

11:41SPEAKER- Kind of pricey for a manual.

11:43SPEAKERIt really is crazy though.

11:44SPEAKERLike this is one of those rare Google searches

11:45SPEAKERwhere you put that, like you said,

11:47SPEAKERyou put that number into Google,

11:49SPEAKERfour results come back, like literally four pages

11:52SPEAKERand that's it on the entirety of Google.

11:55SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, well, I mean,

11:57SPEAKERit is a random series of letters and numbers,

11:59SPEAKERbut yeah, so it's an 11 inch TV.

12:02SPEAKERIt's got real good clicky volume knob that turns it on.

12:05SPEAKERIt's got a VHF and UHF knob, but it's got one of those,

12:09SPEAKERI don't know, I had forgotten this,

12:11SPEAKERbut it has a two stage knob.

12:12SPEAKERSo it has one that is like a big chunky knob

12:15SPEAKERthat clonks and goes from channel to channel.

12:18SPEAKERSo for like from U to two to three to four

12:21SPEAKERup to 13 or whatever.

12:22SPEAKERAnd then inside that knob, there's a little dial

12:25SPEAKERthat you can use to like fine tune the tuning

12:28SPEAKERto get it on exactly the frequency they want.

12:33SPEAKERSo you get a real nice clean picture

12:35SPEAKERif there was any analog TV anymore.

12:37SPEAKER- Yeah, we had a TV with that exact same knob

12:38SPEAKERand it may have also been a GE,

12:40SPEAKERbut I don't know how common that was generally

12:42SPEAKERfor analog TVs of that era, that specific,

12:44SPEAKERthat little kind of knob within a knob for fine tuning.

12:47SPEAKER- This is the only TV we had that had that,

12:49SPEAKERwell, actually, you know what, that's not true.

12:51SPEAKER'Cause I think our Philco set in the living room,

12:53SPEAKERthe 19 inch, that was the family TV had a big chunky knob.

12:57SPEAKERAnd then I think you had another little dial

12:59SPEAKERon the outside of the knob that you could turn

13:01SPEAKERto tune it in.

13:02SPEAKERMaybe this is what all pre-digital click TVs had.

13:06SPEAKER- Maybe, I'm sorry, Philco still to me,

13:09SPEAKERjust sounds like a fake company

13:10SPEAKERfrom Ren and Stimpy or something.

13:12SPEAKER- Isn't Philco Phillips company?

13:14SPEAKER- Is it?

13:16SPEAKER- Philco is an American electronics manufacturer

13:18SPEAKERheadquartered in, oh, it's short

13:19SPEAKERfor the Philadelphia Battery Company.

13:21SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

13:23SPEAKER- A pioneer in battery radio and television production.

13:26SPEAKERIt was purchased by Ford, renamed Philco Ford,

13:29SPEAKERsold to GTE in 1974 and was purchased by Phillips in 1981,

13:33SPEAKERwhich became a subsidiary of the Dutch company Phillips

13:36SPEAKERin 1987.

13:38SPEAKERIn North America, the Philco brand is owned by Phillips

13:40SPEAKERand other markets, it's owned by Electrolux.

13:44SPEAKER- Electrolux also sounds like a fake company name.

13:47SPEAKER- Electrolux is one of the great,

13:49SPEAKERthat was the thing that happened in the '60s, right?

13:51SPEAKERThey started jamming, if you had standard oil company,

13:56SPEAKERwas your name, you'd rename it to Esso,

13:57SPEAKER'cause it was short for, but you spell it out.

14:01SPEAKERElectrolux is one of those, I believe,

14:05SPEAKERit's a Swedish company originally.

14:07SPEAKER- Do they make vacuums?

14:08SPEAKERI wanna say we might've had an Electrolux vacuum

14:09SPEAKERwhen I was a kid.

14:11SPEAKER- Electrolux was famous for bag vacuums specifically.

14:14SPEAKER- Sure.

14:16SPEAKERDoes the TV also have the combination power on

14:20SPEAKERand volume knob?

14:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it makes the best click.

14:23SPEAKER- Yes, like it's a little knob

14:25SPEAKERand it's got an extremely meaty click

14:27SPEAKERwhen you turn it to the right to turn the TV on,

14:28SPEAKERbut then you keep turning it to turn the volume up.

14:30SPEAKER- In fact, I'm actually gonna drag it in here

14:32SPEAKERafter we record and I'll record some samples

14:35SPEAKERof the clocks and the clicks so that I can put them in,

14:38SPEAKER'cause it's unlike anything.

14:39SPEAKERI'd forgotten, like I think I talked about this before

14:43SPEAKERon either here or one of the other podcasts,

14:45SPEAKERwhen my daughter was exposed to the knob for the first time,

14:49SPEAKERshe was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen in my,

14:51SPEAKERlike, this is the best feeling control

14:53SPEAKERI've ever touched in my life.

14:54SPEAKERIt's got very good knob feel, although maybe I shouldn't.

14:57SPEAKER- Look, you can't contest the knob feel, Brad.

15:01SPEAKER- No, I suppose not.

15:02SPEAKERI'm gonna put a call out right here.

15:04SPEAKERThis is where I'm going to put the click sounds

15:05SPEAKERthat you send me, just for an easy venue in this edit.

15:24SPEAKER- Behold the glory of the clicks.

15:27SPEAKER- Yeah, right?

15:27SPEAKERIt's like, and I'll be like, hey, it's a click

15:30SPEAKERand then it's a kachunk and let you know which one's which.

15:33SPEAKERThe UHF knob also makes a good turn.

15:35SPEAKERNo reason to use any of that anymore,

15:36SPEAKER'cause it's all cell phone.

15:37SPEAKERIt's all 5G now or 4G, LTE, whatever.

15:40SPEAKER- I think the inputs on this thing

15:42SPEAKERare the interesting part to me or the lack thereof,

15:44SPEAKER'cause I don't think I remember ever having a TV

15:47SPEAKERthat didn't at least have a coaxial input for RF on it.

15:51SPEAKERSo what does this have exactly?

15:52SPEAKER- This has two screws for UHF and two screws for VHF.

15:57SPEAKERSo in order to convert the coaxial,

15:59SPEAKERyou have to have a transformer.

16:01SPEAKERAnd that transformer is a 75 ohm to 300 ohm adapter

16:05SPEAKERthat converts the coaxial to the two U-shaped hooks

16:12SPEAKERthat go into those screws.

16:16SPEAKERAnd I just took, normally you'd put those on

16:18SPEAKERin addition to the antenna in the old days,

16:22SPEAKERbut I just took the antenna off 'cause there's no signal.

16:25SPEAKERSo it doesn't matter.

16:26SPEAKERWe're channel three only here, baby.

16:28SPEAKER- And when you say screws,

16:29SPEAKERI mean like these are literally screws

16:30SPEAKERthat you can screw in and out on the set.

16:32SPEAKERLike you're just kind of-

16:33SPEAKER- They are standard flat screws

16:35SPEAKERwith a little square metal pad underneath

16:38SPEAKERthat has a connection.

16:39SPEAKERI'll take a picture.

16:40SPEAKERYou can use this for show art if you want.

16:42SPEAKER- And you just insert the wire and almost like,

16:45SPEAKERI mean, there's a similar like screw in terminal

16:47SPEAKERon the back of a lot of like AV receivers

16:49SPEAKERfor speaker wire, right?

16:50SPEAKERLike same kind of deal.

16:52SPEAKER- No, those have a specific name.

16:56SPEAKERThis is literally just a flat screw

16:59SPEAKERwith a metal pad underneath it.

17:01SPEAKERAnd you want to mash the U-shaped connector

17:03SPEAKERon this transformer into that.

17:05SPEAKERSo then, because I have to be able to get the analog out

17:10SPEAKERfrom the mister, we'll talk about that in a minute,

17:14SPEAKERbut the analog out from the mister, I'm using RCA

17:17SPEAKERjust because it's the easiest thing I can get in.

17:20SPEAKERAnd to convert the RCA into the RF signal

17:23SPEAKERthat this TV needs to generate picture,

17:26SPEAKERI'm using an old VCR.

17:27SPEAKER- Of course, the classic.

17:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:29SPEAKER- It's the classic maneuver.

17:30SPEAKERIt's just a shove of an old VCR in the chain.

17:32SPEAKER- Yep, but to hit that TV VCR button, it all works.

17:35SPEAKERAnd it's funny because my kid's been playing games on this

17:40SPEAKERand I don't think she still knows how to turn it on

17:42SPEAKERbecause it's like, first you got to turn on the TV,

17:44SPEAKERyou got to make sure it's on channel three,

17:45SPEAKERthen you got to turn on the VCR,

17:47SPEAKERmake sure it's on TV/VCR.

17:49SPEAKERMake sure the channel on the VCR is set to AV

17:53SPEAKERbecause the AV comes in the RCA ports.

17:55SPEAKERAnd then you got to turn on the mister and navigate

17:58SPEAKERwith all the weird mister controls to get into the thing.

18:01SPEAKER- Most of that sounds doable for a kid.

18:02SPEAKERI mean, even turning the TV on like the knob stuff

18:04SPEAKERis tactile and you can figure that out.

18:06SPEAKERI bet it's the channel requirements

18:07SPEAKERthat are what would throw a child

18:09SPEAKERwho was born in the 21st century.

18:11SPEAKERLike it's like, who today has experience of TVs

18:14SPEAKERneeding to be on the right channel for signals to work

18:17SPEAKERor you know what I mean?

18:18SPEAKER- Yeah, now when you turn on,

18:19SPEAKERlike when you put your switch into the dock

18:21SPEAKERand hit the button, it just, everything gets set up for you.

18:24SPEAKERYou don't need a harmony remote now.

18:25SPEAKERYou know, it just, it just works.

18:28SPEAKERWell, and also like, I think I've done a bad

18:31SPEAKERwith my mister configuration

18:33SPEAKERin terms of how I opened the mister menus

18:36SPEAKERusing the game pads.

18:38SPEAKER'Cause I hit like up and start on the game pad

18:41SPEAKERin order to open the mister menu.

18:43SPEAKERI don't remember where I set that at this point.

18:46SPEAKER- Oh, that is, that's rough.

18:47SPEAKERYeah, you can put that just on a single button press

18:50SPEAKERif you have enough buttons on your controller.

18:52SPEAKER- So I don't have enough buttons on my controller

18:53SPEAKERis the problem.

18:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so it has to be a cord.

18:56SPEAKER- That's kind of the kind of the mister,

18:58SPEAKERI guess the mister control recommendation

19:00SPEAKERI've always found is like, you kind of always want like

19:02SPEAKERnice controller plus one in terms of number of buttons.

19:05SPEAKERLike you need all the buttons you need for the games

19:07SPEAKERplus at least one or two extras for menu type stuff.

19:10SPEAKER- Well, we're mostly playing SNES and NES stuff right now.

19:13SPEAKERSo it's all like, I'm using those 8BitDo SN30

19:17SPEAKERlike the ones that don't have the analog sticks.

19:19SPEAKERIt's just like a SNES controller shaped game pad.

19:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that does put you at kind of a disadvantage.

19:23SPEAKERI use a, I use a DualShock 4 mainly for mine,

19:26SPEAKERwhich has the like the little PS,

19:28SPEAKERlittle PlayStation button is my menu button

19:30SPEAKER'cause it's an extra, works well.

19:32SPEAKER- That makes sense.

19:33SPEAKERSo yeah, anyway, so that's that.

19:36SPEAKERI ended up upgrading the mister in order to get this to work

19:38SPEAKER'cause I had a digital output on it before

19:41SPEAKERand I didn't want to do,

19:43SPEAKERI didn't want to add the latency of an HDMI to analog.

19:47SPEAKERLike I don't have a retro tinker,

19:49SPEAKERone of those, you know, one of the fancy DHDM-ers

19:53SPEAKERand I didn't want to buy a cheap one

19:55SPEAKER'cause they had latency

19:56SPEAKERand the cables I needed to do it the cheap way

19:59SPEAKERwere $8 less than just replacing the IO board on my mister

20:04SPEAKERwith one of the fancy new ones.

20:06SPEAKERI don't know if you've seen it,

20:08SPEAKERbut Mr. Addons has added a two new IO board options.

20:14SPEAKERThere's an analog one and a digital one.

20:16SPEAKERThe digital one also does analog,

20:19SPEAKERwhich is important to note.

20:20SPEAKERThe analog one is really cool, especially for you,

20:23SPEAKERbecause you can hook it,

20:24SPEAKERyou can have the analog going simultaneously

20:27SPEAKERwith the digital.

20:28SPEAKERSo like if you wanted to stream an old game,

20:29SPEAKERyou could put HDMI out into your capture card,

20:32SPEAKERbut play the game on your TV, which is like,

20:35SPEAKERI remember when Dan Reichert tried to do that

20:37SPEAKERwith Punch Out at Giant Bomb 10 years ago

20:40SPEAKERand poor Jason had to do like some heavy duty

20:44SPEAKERvideo engineering work to get that to happen.

20:46SPEAKER- We ran into the same thing

20:47SPEAKERwhen I was streaming Super Mario Brothers 2,

20:49SPEAKERthe Japanese version,

20:50SPEAKERlike the original brutally punishing one.

20:53SPEAKER- The Lost Levels, you mean?

20:54SPEAKER- Yes, the Lost Levels.

20:55SPEAKERWe had to pull that out of the studio,

20:57SPEAKERbig matrix switcher chain

20:59SPEAKER'cause I was adding enough latency

21:00SPEAKERthat I was just like missing very obvious jumps

21:03SPEAKERin that game and stuff,

21:03SPEAKER'cause those games have zero tolerance for latency.

21:07SPEAKER- As an aside on that, there's a really good,

21:10SPEAKERI think the Celeste developers did a,

21:13SPEAKERhey, here's why some platforms feel hard

21:16SPEAKERand some feel easy,

21:17SPEAKERand they showed all the ways

21:18SPEAKERthat like modern platformers cheat

21:19SPEAKERto make sure that you land the jumps

21:21SPEAKERthat you should by rights miss.

21:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that's like a,

21:24SPEAKERif it's the same Twitter thread

21:26SPEAKERI'm thinking of that you're talking about,

21:27SPEAKERthat's like a canonical thread of game development Twitter,

21:30SPEAKERwhere they went through like a bunch of like,

21:33SPEAKERthere needs to be a term for this

21:34SPEAKER'cause games have been doing this

21:35SPEAKERsince time immemorial, right?

21:36SPEAKERBut the little like invisible sort of like usability tweaks,

21:40SPEAKERI guess I would say,

21:41SPEAKERor like fudging things, like you said,

21:42SPEAKERit was like, oh, you know,

21:43SPEAKERif you're within six pixels of making a jump,

21:45SPEAKERwe just have you make the jump,

21:46SPEAKEReven though you technically would have missed it by rules.

21:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and when you play,

21:51SPEAKERthat's the big thing for her.

21:52SPEAKERShe's been playing Super Mario Brothers.

21:54SPEAKERIt doesn't fudge jumps.

21:57SPEAKER- Only if you miss, you just straighten the hole.

21:59SPEAKER- NES games definitely were by the book.

22:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I did look at the,

22:04SPEAKERthose Mr. Atons boards that he has come out with actually,

22:08SPEAKERfor reasons I'll get into,

22:09SPEAKERbut the IO direct board is the one you're talking about.

22:11SPEAKERThat's like, it's like a digital IO board,

22:13SPEAKERbut it also can do analog out

22:15SPEAKERbecause it uses a little bridge,

22:16SPEAKERlike literally uses, I guess that's the one you got, right?

22:19SPEAKERIt's the uses a little HDMI bridge

22:21SPEAKERfrom the HDMI out on the Mr. to an HDMI in on this thing,

22:25SPEAKERand then it converts it to the Saturn plug.

22:28SPEAKER- So that's exactly it.

22:29SPEAKERYeah, it uses the Saturn 10 pin mini din,

22:31SPEAKERwhich I believe we rated as a D in our rating of connectors,

22:35SPEAKERbut it's, and you can get a bunch of different tails for it.

22:38SPEAKERI just bought the,

22:39SPEAKERlike they sell one that has like VGA

22:41SPEAKERand component and the whole deal.

22:45SPEAKERI just bought the $10 RCA only one

22:49SPEAKER'cause that's what I had the option for.

22:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I priced out this whole setup too.

22:53SPEAKERI thought about, I ended up going a much cheaper route

22:56SPEAKER'cause I turned out to have basically 90%

22:59SPEAKERof what I needed already.

23:00SPEAKERBut yeah, I was looking at like a,

23:02SPEAKERit's like 50 bucks for that board.

23:03SPEAKERThe Saturn plug to every connector

23:06SPEAKERyou would ever need the cable is like 35 bucks.

23:09SPEAKER- 35 bucks, yeah.

23:09SPEAKER- Like need a new power supply to run the whole thing on.

23:12SPEAKERSo it was gonna be like a hundred bucks,

23:13SPEAKERwhich is like, nah, not nothing.

23:15SPEAKER- So I'm just running it on a normal USB.

23:18SPEAKERI have a 25 watt Anker power brick.

23:23SPEAKERThat's plugged into it, it's running fine.

23:27SPEAKERBut yeah, so I ended up going to the digital one also

23:28SPEAKERbecause it lets you keep both memory sticks in.

23:31SPEAKERI ended up through,

23:33SPEAKERbecause when we did the original Mr. episode,

23:36SPEAKERI bought my Mr. card from a guy in Portugal

23:40SPEAKERwho had a really hard time shipping.

23:42SPEAKERAnd the shipping during the pandemic was slow.

23:45SPEAKERSo I'd given up on it.

23:46SPEAKERI just ordered a new memory stick.

23:48SPEAKERAnd then like two days after the new one arrived,

23:49SPEAKERthe first one finally got here.

23:51SPEAKER- I remember the saga.

23:52SPEAKERI too am an owner of Portuguese Ram.

23:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:55SPEAKER- I think that's ultimate Mr. is the vendor in Portugal.

23:58SPEAKER- I think so, yeah.

23:59SPEAKER- I found his stuff to be quite good.

24:00SPEAKER- But the upshot was I ended up with two Ram sticks.

24:02SPEAKERAnd when we got to cores that could use two Ram sticks,

24:05SPEAKERI was good to go.

24:06SPEAKERSo I just jammed them in there.

24:08SPEAKERAnd I decided like the ability to run analog

24:11SPEAKERand the main difference that I could tell on these

24:14SPEAKERwas that on the analog board,

24:15SPEAKERyou can only run one memory stick,

24:17SPEAKERbut you can simultaneously pipe video out

24:20SPEAKERthe analog outputs and HDMI.

24:22SPEAKER- That's correct.

24:23SPEAKER- Which is really cool for people like you

24:28SPEAKERthat stream old games, less useful for me,

24:32SPEAKERwho's mostly just gonna sit in front of a TV

24:34SPEAKERand play old games.

24:35SPEAKER- To be clear, the ability to get analog

24:37SPEAKERand digital video out at the same time

24:39SPEAKERis way more useful day to day than two Ram sticks.

24:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:43SPEAKER- Like for people who don't know,

24:46SPEAKERlike the most you're getting out of dual Ram at this point

24:48SPEAKERis like slightly higher accuracy in a couple of cores.

24:51SPEAKER- Actually, I think the Saturn core still does work.

24:55SPEAKERThey're fairly substantially better with two.

24:57SPEAKER- I think the 32X core, I haven't looked in a while,

25:01SPEAKERbut last time I looked,

25:02SPEAKERthe 32X core was one of those ones

25:04SPEAKERthat was weirdly complicated and needed more Ram too,

25:06SPEAKERbecause of the way they composite stuff

25:09SPEAKERbetween the Saturn and the 32X bits.

25:12SPEAKER- Yeah, we should say there have been some arcade cores

25:14SPEAKERand I believe the Jaguar core that is forthcoming

25:17SPEAKERwhere they are talking like it's going to require two Ram.

25:20SPEAKER- Why does the Jaguar core require two Ram sticks?

25:23SPEAKER- Look, man, it's the only 64-bit game in town

25:26SPEAKERat the time, right?

25:28SPEAKER- God, that thing is so, okay.

25:29SPEAKERWell, anyway, we don't have to get into that, but yeah.

25:31SPEAKER- The extra Ram requirement is just a latency thing.

25:34SPEAKERIt's just that they need more memory bandwidth

25:36SPEAKERto work with than one stick can provide.

25:38SPEAKERSo maybe the Jaguar was doing some, who knows?

25:42SPEAKER- Yeah, it had some really fast SD Ram.

25:45SPEAKERSo yeah, so a couple of things that I had

25:47SPEAKERwhile I was going.

25:48SPEAKEROne is that I love that they shipped the service manual

25:51SPEAKERon this TV.

25:52SPEAKERIt's just, it's like, it's in a little plastic cubby

25:54SPEAKERthat's built into the frame of the TV on the back.

25:58SPEAKERIt has a note that says, "This is the service manual.

26:00SPEAKERIt's only accessible for inside the case.

26:02SPEAKERDo not open if you're an end user."

26:04SPEAKER- What?

26:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:06SPEAKER- Wait, so can you see it in there or like?

26:08SPEAKER- Yes, you can see it,

26:09SPEAKERbut the hole is too small to pull it out.

26:11SPEAKER- So what, is there some specialized tool

26:13SPEAKERyou need to get it open?

26:14SPEAKER- Well, no, you just unscrew it.

26:15SPEAKERBut like, people knew not to unscrew TVs

26:18SPEAKER'cause there's shit in there that would kill you.

26:19SPEAKER- Oh, okay, this was an honor system thing?

26:22SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a straight up,

26:23SPEAKERhey, the repair tech isn't gonna have the manual

26:25SPEAKERfor every TV.

26:26SPEAKERSo we're just chipping our TV with the manual built in.

26:29SPEAKER- That's smart.

26:30SPEAKER- It's like, it's really clever.

26:33SPEAKERAnd the fact that it's there in a window

26:34SPEAKERthat you can see it says,

26:35SPEAKERhey, you know, if I'm the repair tech,

26:37SPEAKERI know what to do without having to like phase one,

26:40SPEAKERopen the back of this thing.

26:41SPEAKER- Right, and it actually was useful in a world

26:43SPEAKERwhere independent third-party TV repair actually existed

26:46SPEAKERand that isn't so much a thing anymore.

26:49SPEAKER- And you couldn't just type 100-AB-3406-WF02 into Google

26:54SPEAKERand get a $22 manual for the TV,

26:56SPEAKERwhich just to be clear is half of what I paid for the TV.

26:58SPEAKER- Yeah, but you're just reminding me though

27:00SPEAKERof driving around town as a kid in the '80s

27:02SPEAKERand just seeing like TV repair shops all over the place

27:04SPEAKER'cause that used to be a thing.

27:06SPEAKER- Yeah, the appliance repair guy would come out.

27:09SPEAKERNow the appliance repair guy comes out

27:10SPEAKERand he charges you 500 bucks.

27:12SPEAKERHe looks at the dishwasher.

27:12SPEAKERHe's like, yeah, you should just replace that dishwasher.

27:15SPEAKERLike, thank you for the five.

27:16SPEAKERThat was an incredible use of my money and time.

27:18SPEAKERThank you.

27:19SPEAKER- At least seems to be the universal advice these days

27:21SPEAKERis just buy a new one.

27:22SPEAKER- Well, anyway, so the picture was a little jumpy though,

27:27SPEAKERout of the box.

27:28SPEAKERSo I talked to a friend of the show, Steve Lynn,

27:30SPEAKERand was like, hey, this feels like I should just take

27:33SPEAKERthe knob off and blast some contact cleaner situation.

27:36SPEAKERAnd he's like, yeah, that's exactly what I would do first.

27:38SPEAKERHe's like, if you have to replace the knob switch,

27:42SPEAKERthe switch inside the knob, it's gonna be complicated

27:45SPEAKERand a pain in the butt.

27:47SPEAKERBut usually contact cleaner just does this.

27:49SPEAKERAnd so I took it off, got a can of contact cleaner.

27:52SPEAKERI blasted it right on the switch,

27:53SPEAKERturned the switch around a few times,

27:55SPEAKERturned the tuning dial around a few times.

27:57SPEAKERWorks like a charm.

27:58SPEAKER- Great. - Yeah.

27:59SPEAKER- Love a quick fix.

28:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the easiest thing I've fixed in like in years.

28:04SPEAKERSo I think that's it.

28:06SPEAKERI think that's the whole thing.

28:07SPEAKER- I've got a question about maintaining your TV

28:09SPEAKERand also my TV, which is let's say at least 20 years

28:14SPEAKERnewer than yours, if not 25.

28:17SPEAKERBut I don't know if the question is relevant

28:18SPEAKERto both TVs or not.

28:19SPEAKERAnd I guess I'll just ask now,

28:21SPEAKERsince we're still talking about your TV,

28:22SPEAKERthis could be like highly electrically ignorance.

28:26SPEAKER- Yes.

28:27SPEAKER- Are there capacitors in that TV?

28:28SPEAKERThere are, right?

28:29SPEAKERIt's like we're using like normal modern style

28:32SPEAKERof capacitors and TVs at that time, right?

28:36SPEAKER- I don't know if they're huge capacitors,

28:38SPEAKERbut there will absolutely be scary capacitors inside.

28:41SPEAKERLike the reason you don't take TVs apart,

28:42SPEAKERif you don't know what you're doing

28:43SPEAKERis that there are scary capacitors

28:45SPEAKERin almost everything with a cathode ray tube.

28:47SPEAKER- Right.

28:47SPEAKERYeah, I don't know.

28:48SPEAKERI'm way out over my skis on asking questions like this

28:51SPEAKER'cause I barely understand this stuff.

28:52SPEAKERBut like you're getting into territory with CRTs now

28:55SPEAKERwhere they're old enough that you see

28:56SPEAKERa lot of people talk about replacing the capacitors

28:59SPEAKERbecause as they age and give out,

29:01SPEAKERit affects the quality of the image, right?

29:03SPEAKERLike it causes actual issues with the video output

29:07SPEAKERor display.

29:08SPEAKER- And there's for popular TVs for like the PVTs

29:11SPEAKERand stuff like that that people use

29:12SPEAKERfor a lot of classic game stuff.

29:14SPEAKERAnd for arcade monitors,

29:16SPEAKERthere's a lot of guidance about how to do that.

29:18SPEAKER- Right.

29:19SPEAKERThat's what I was wondering.

29:20SPEAKERBut again, that question is,

29:23SPEAKERyour TV is a quarter of a century older than mine probably.

29:25SPEAKERSo they're in different categories

29:27SPEAKERor phases of their lifespan.

29:29SPEAKERBut I'm just wondering like when do you know it's time

29:31SPEAKERto start replacing capacitors?

29:33SPEAKER- Well, fundamentally the capacitors

29:36SPEAKERshould last a really long time

29:37SPEAKERunless there was some sort of mechanical

29:39SPEAKERor chemical defect in them

29:40SPEAKERwhen they were manufacturing them, right?

29:41SPEAKERIt's like, you don't have to replace,

29:45SPEAKERlike we think about capacitor failures

29:49SPEAKERbecause there have been multiple famous failures

29:52SPEAKERof noteworthy capacitors.

29:54SPEAKER- Yes, I am sitting here laughing

29:55SPEAKERbecause my TV came out in 2002,

29:57SPEAKERwhich I think is right around that territory

30:01SPEAKERthat the bad capacitor plague took place.

30:03SPEAKER- Yeah, Microsoft or Nvidia or Microsoft

30:07SPEAKERput a bunch of bad capacitors on Enforce motherboards

30:09SPEAKER'cause they were a little bit cheaper than the other ones.

30:12SPEAKERThe clock capacitor on the original Xbox

30:14SPEAKERis another classic example.

30:16SPEAKERThere's a bunch.

30:17SPEAKERAnd what happens generally is they get swollen

30:19SPEAKERand then leak and then the shit that they leak

30:21SPEAKERis real bad for motherboards and causes cascading failures.

30:25SPEAKERSo you wanna, like if you have an original Xbox,

30:28SPEAKERyou wanna clip that clock capacitor off now,

30:30SPEAKEReven if you're not gonna put a new one on.

30:33SPEAKERIf you have an Enforce motherboard,

30:35SPEAKERjust upgrade your computer

30:36SPEAKERand put that in e-waste at this point.

30:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I was just holding my Enforce motherboard

30:41SPEAKERthree days ago as a matter of fact.

30:43SPEAKER- Oh my God, Brad.

30:44SPEAKER- I've had, we were off at Nexlander this week.

30:46SPEAKERMy dual projects have been,

30:48SPEAKERA, I went and bought eight big new nice plastic storage bins

30:53SPEAKERand have been unloading closets and boxes

30:55SPEAKERand kind of reorganizing and consolidating old stuff.

30:58SPEAKER- I do, I can't help but notice that there is an arcade stick

31:01SPEAKERwith a green ball top behind you.

31:04SPEAKER- Hang on, are we just gonna do a live pan

31:06SPEAKERthis camera around the room?

31:07SPEAKER- Oh wow, I didn't realize you could do this.

31:09SPEAKEROoh, that's a nice cable coils.

31:12SPEAKER- A lot of the stuff is in bins already.

31:14SPEAKER- I love it.

31:14SPEAKERYour bins are the best.

31:16SPEAKERDo those seal, do those top seal on those?

31:18SPEAKER- They're not waterproof.

31:20SPEAKER- But they're like, the air won't get in.

31:23SPEAKER- I think we might've talked about this

31:24SPEAKERback with the hurricane business a few months ago

31:27SPEAKER'cause I went and bought,

31:28SPEAKERin fact, I bought the same type of bins here

31:29SPEAKERthat I bought back home a few months ago

31:30SPEAKER'cause I wanted them all to be stack compatible.

31:33SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's important.

31:34SPEAKER- You know, at some future date

31:36SPEAKERwhen all these bins live in the same place

31:37SPEAKERbut when I was picking out those bins a few months ago,

31:40SPEAKERI did find waterproof ones that,

31:41SPEAKERwhat's the industry standard waterproof rating?

31:44SPEAKERIt's like IPV or whatever.

31:45SPEAKER- IP something, something, yeah.

31:47SPEAKERLike they had a literal numerical rating

31:49SPEAKERon these bins at the store

31:51SPEAKERthat were in fact airtight and fully sealed

31:53SPEAKERbut they were way more expensive.

31:55SPEAKER- Well, so I don't know if you want,

31:56SPEAKERlike where we live, where I live,

31:58SPEAKERI don't know that you want airtight

31:59SPEAKERjust because you don't,

32:01SPEAKERif you do that then you have to put in like silica gel

32:04SPEAKERor something to suck the moisture out because it's wet.

32:07SPEAKER- I don't know if these were actually fully airtight

32:09SPEAKERbut they were supposed to be waterproof at least.

32:10SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

32:12SPEAKER- Anyway.

32:13SPEAKER- Did I see a Nintendo 64 over there

32:14SPEAKERunderneath your TV, Brad?

32:15SPEAKER- Yes, well, not under the TV.

32:17SPEAKERThere is an N64 in one of these bins behind me.

32:19SPEAKERYou did not see it on the floor though.

32:21SPEAKEROn the floor, there's a GameCube and a PS2 Slim

32:25SPEAKERand my Mr. Rat's Nest.

32:26SPEAKERSo yeah, my two projects this week

32:28SPEAKERwere A, start going through all these bins

32:30SPEAKERwhich has necessarily had me handling things

32:33SPEAKERlike an Enforce motherboard

32:34SPEAKERand my original Xbox and GameCube and stuff.

32:37SPEAKERAnd the other project was get the CRT working finally

32:40SPEAKERwith the Mr. and some of this other stuff.

32:42SPEAKERSo I guess I'll talk about my TV a little bit.

32:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:46SPEAKER- It's a Toshiba 14AF42, see?

32:49SPEAKER- Oh yeah, the 14AF42, that's a classic.

32:51SPEAKER- Nice and pronounceable, you know,

32:53SPEAKERlike a good modern TV model number.

32:55SPEAKER- Is it a 14, is it 14AF?

32:58SPEAKER- You jest, but the 42 actually turns out

33:01SPEAKERto have been a highly desirable model

33:02SPEAKERbecause they made 43 through 46 after this.

33:06SPEAKERIt was, they made 41 through 46 total for this line.

33:09SPEAKERApparently the 43s and on,

33:11SPEAKERthey switched to a different jungle chip, I want to say.

33:15SPEAKERIs that the right term?

33:16SPEAKER- Is this Dota business again?

33:18SPEAKERAre we getting back into jungling?

33:19SPEAKER- No, it's not.

33:20SPEAKERI think it's like an RGB thing.

33:21SPEAKERIt's like, okay, I have now just Googled jungle chip.

33:25SPEAKERAnd in fact, an integrated circuit found

33:26SPEAKERin most analog TVs in the 1990s.

33:28SPEAKERIt takes a composite video signal

33:30SPEAKERfrom the radio frequency receiver electronics

33:32SPEAKERand turns it into separate RGB outputs, okay.

33:35SPEAKER- Okay, so this is the big difference

33:37SPEAKERbetween your TV and my TV.

33:38SPEAKER'Cause my TV is designed to take a,

33:43SPEAKERsignals from the airwaves, radio waves,

33:46SPEAKERand it uses those signals with analog circuits

33:50SPEAKERto change the position of the electron gun

33:53SPEAKERin such a way that colors and pictures come out of the tube.

33:58SPEAKER- Yes.

33:59SPEAKER- Like it is directly reading the airwaves.

34:02SPEAKERYours is doing some magic with computers.

34:04SPEAKER- Some slightly more advanced video processing

34:06SPEAKERgoing on inside this TV.

34:08SPEAKERSo, this thing is a highly desirable TV.

34:11SPEAKERIt's only 14 inches, but it has composite S-video

34:16SPEAKERand component on it.

34:18SPEAKER- Holy shit, component on a TV from that era

34:20SPEAKERis impressive, yeah.

34:21SPEAKER- Or a TV that size is the main thing.

34:23SPEAKERLike you did not see component on TVs

34:25SPEAKERprobably smaller than like 27 inches back then,

34:27SPEAKERor maybe 20, I don't know, but like.

34:29SPEAKER- I think the first TV I had component on

34:31SPEAKERwas that 36 inch Panasonic tube.

34:34SPEAKERAnd that was so you could do the anamorphic squeeze

34:36SPEAKERon that bad boy.

34:37SPEAKER- Ah, the anamorphic squeeze.

34:38SPEAKERMagic, the first day.

34:39SPEAKER- Can we talk about the anamorphic squeeze for a sec?

34:41SPEAKER- Ah, the anamorphic squeeze was pretty.

34:43SPEAKERI never quite understood what was going on electronically

34:47SPEAKERinside the TV when you did this,

34:48SPEAKERbut it was basically like late era CRTs

34:52SPEAKERhad higher resolution than, you explain it.

34:56SPEAKER- Okay, so what you were doing was

34:58SPEAKERyou were using the entire resolution of the TV

35:01SPEAKERfor the rendered picture on a letterbox image.

35:05SPEAKERSo on a standard DVD 480p resolution,

35:12SPEAKERthey would have a square picture.

35:14SPEAKERAnd if it was widescreen,

35:15SPEAKERthe top third or top eighth and bottom eighth, whatever,

35:19SPEAKERthe black bars would be burned into the video, right?

35:22SPEAKERThey'd be baked into the video.

35:23SPEAKEROn anamorphic discs, they used all of the lines

35:27SPEAKERfor the picture.

35:28SPEAKERSo you got more image data,

35:30SPEAKERbut your TV had to know what to do with it

35:32SPEAKERor your DVD player had to know what to do with it.

35:33SPEAKERAnd either-

35:34SPEAKER- 'Cause otherwise it came out looking vertically stretched.

35:37SPEAKER- Tall and stretched, it looks like coneheads.

35:38SPEAKER- Right, 'cause it was in fact stretched on the disc.

35:41SPEAKER- Yeah, see pixels weren't square.

35:43SPEAKERSo on a TV that knew what to do,

35:45SPEAKERit would take all of those pixels, all that image,

35:48SPEAKERand scrunch it in and put the black bars in

35:51SPEAKERjust by not aiming the electron gun there.

35:54SPEAKERAnd you'd get a higher quality picture,

35:57SPEAKERimperceptibly higher quality picture.

35:59SPEAKER- I thought it was pretty perceptible.

36:01SPEAKER- I will tell you, on all the other TVs I saw it on,

36:06SPEAKERI was unimpressed until I got that 36 inch Panasonic.

36:09SPEAKERAnd I was like, okay, I kind of get it.

36:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:12SPEAKER- Like that size, it makes a difference.

36:13SPEAKER- My roommate in college in the dorm

36:15SPEAKERspent like all of his money on an ICV at some point.

36:18SPEAKER- Hell yeah.

36:19SPEAKER- Like basically just saved and like went without eating

36:24SPEAKERor whatever, like he bent his will

36:25SPEAKERtoward getting a nice TV for a room.

36:27SPEAKER- We all were in college at one point

36:30SPEAKERand we're like, you know what?

36:31SPEAKERIf I can buy a semester's worth of ramen

36:34SPEAKERand Chef Boyardee for $47,

36:38SPEAKERand that means I'll have $550 left from my meal plan

36:42SPEAKERthat I can use to buy a new video card

36:44SPEAKERor whatever studentship we bought at the time.

36:47SPEAKER- I think it was a Sony Vega.

36:48SPEAKERAnyway, that was right in the heyday of DVDs getting big.

36:50SPEAKERAnd that was the first place I ever saw

36:52SPEAKERthe anamorphic squeeze and it was a revelatory moment,

36:56SPEAKERI will say.

36:58SPEAKER- So anyway, okay.

36:59SPEAKERSo your, I bet your TV doesn't do the squeeze

37:02SPEAKERjust because of-

37:03SPEAKER- I don't, I doubt it.

37:04SPEAKERI highly doubt it.

37:05SPEAKER- Because of the size, yeah.

37:06SPEAKER- I don't think so.

37:07SPEAKERThis was a sidewalk find as a matter of fact.

37:10SPEAKERActually, I hope he doesn't mind me saying

37:12SPEAKERSteve Lin was my generous benefactor on this TV.

37:15SPEAKERHe found this TV on the sidewalk.

37:17SPEAKER- Wow, we found my TV in a parking lot.

37:20SPEAKER- Yeah, technically, but it was being-

37:22SPEAKER- It was at a swap meet, I guess, so.

37:25SPEAKER- It was the object of commerce at that point.

37:26SPEAKERYou know, like they wanted money for it.

37:28SPEAKERThis thing was just sitting there.

37:29SPEAKER- Wow, that's pretty good.

37:31SPEAKER- And he's the type of guy to rescue a CRT

37:33SPEAKERfrom the sidewalk when he sees one.

37:35SPEAKER- Look, I know that there,

37:36SPEAKERwe have multiple listeners in the audience

37:38SPEAKERwho will pick up a sidewalk TV, a CRT, should they see one?

37:43SPEAKER- So I kind of started Googling around

37:44SPEAKERand like reading some Reddit stories after he gave me this,

37:46SPEAKERjust kind of seeing what other people do.

37:48SPEAKERAnd like, it's a thing.

37:49SPEAKERLike you can find these fairly regularly,

37:52SPEAKERlike, especially if you go to e-waste places,

37:53SPEAKERbut even just on the sidewalk,

37:55SPEAKERthere's plenty of stories on Reddit of people

37:58SPEAKERsometimes finding like very valuable old TVs,

38:01SPEAKERbut you'll frequently, you'll see things like,

38:03SPEAKERoh, they had cut the power cable off of it.

38:05SPEAKERAnd so I had to like put a new power cord in.

38:06SPEAKER- Why would you do that?

38:07SPEAKER- Or stuff like that.

38:09SPEAKER- The heck's wrong with you putting it on the sidewalk?

38:12SPEAKERThe nice thing is they're pretty easy to fix

38:16SPEAKERfor the most part, even if they're broken, right?

38:18SPEAKERAssuming you don't kill yourself on the capacitors.

38:20SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, I think you definitely, like, okay,

38:22SPEAKERmaybe we should just say anybody listening to this

38:24SPEAKERwho's never opened a CRT before,

38:25SPEAKERplease look up what to do if you open a CRT.

38:28SPEAKER- Yeah, the good news is there's a lot of YouTube videos.

38:30SPEAKERI watched a bunch of them before I decided

38:31SPEAKERI wasn't gonna do it and was gonna take it over

38:34SPEAKERto Steve's house and ask him for help if I wanted to do that.

38:38SPEAKERAnd then the contact cleaner worked,

38:39SPEAKERso I don't have to worry about it.

38:40SPEAKER- I need to learn how to discharge a CRT properly

38:43SPEAKERat some point.

38:44SPEAKER- I watched Vinny do it on a joust machine

38:46SPEAKERin the basement of the old whiskey media office

38:48SPEAKERback in the day.

38:49SPEAKERAnd it was real scary.

38:50SPEAKER'Cause like he touched a screwdriver to two things

38:52SPEAKERand it made a really loud noise

38:54SPEAKERand his arm whammed back into space

38:56SPEAKERand it was all he could do to hold onto the screwdriver.

38:58SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't know, no thank you.

39:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:01SPEAKER- Unsubscribe.

39:02SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, he found it on the sidewalk.

39:04SPEAKERThe infrared sensor did not work on it.

39:09SPEAKER- Does it have buttons?

39:10SPEAKER- It only has power on channel and volume on the front.

39:13SPEAKERSo you can't change inputs without a remote on this TV.

39:16SPEAKERSo you can see why. - Oh, that sucks.

39:17SPEAKER- You can see why somebody probably junked it

39:19SPEAKERwhen they realized they could no longer switch inputs.

39:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:23SPEAKER- He sourced a new IR receiver for it,

39:24SPEAKERwhich he said at this point

39:25SPEAKERit was getting pretty hard to find.

39:26SPEAKERLike you could find the part number for what you need,

39:29SPEAKERbut finding the actual part is getting tough.

39:31SPEAKERSo I think he said he bought like five of them just in case.

39:34SPEAKER- Wow.

39:35SPEAKER- But so he did replace the IR receiver

39:37SPEAKERand had to source a new remote.

39:38SPEAKERObviously there was no remote on the sidewalk

39:42SPEAKERand got it working.

39:43SPEAKERAnd then later on.

39:45SPEAKER- Is this the one that he replaced

39:47SPEAKERwith the TV that he bought when I bought my bad TV?

39:50SPEAKER- Yes, he got that TV on when you bought,

39:51SPEAKERthe same day you bought your old TV

39:53SPEAKERat the flea market last month.

39:54SPEAKERAnd this was his like test bench fixing old consoles,

39:57SPEAKERjust like test screen kind of thing.

40:00SPEAKERSo he didn't need this one anymore when he got that PVM.

40:03SPEAKERSo it very generously found its way to my house.

40:06SPEAKER- Wow.

40:07SPEAKER- So I went through the same process you did

40:09SPEAKERof once I had the TV ready to go,

40:11SPEAKERlike staring at the mister, trying to think like,

40:13SPEAKERwhat's the best way to get video out of this thing

40:14SPEAKERinto this TV?

40:15SPEAKERAnd obviously in my case, I had a lot of options

40:17SPEAKER'cause S-Video component, there's a lot of stuff I could do.

40:21SPEAKER- That's a lot.

40:22SPEAKER- It's a lot.

40:23SPEAKERThe mystery project, like you go to the compatibility site

40:26SPEAKERand there's like a giant matrix.

40:27SPEAKERI'm sure you've seen this table, right?

40:29SPEAKEROf like connector types, signal types,

40:32SPEAKERbecause like it's not just, you know,

40:33SPEAKERlike S-Video is not a signal or S-Video is a signal type,

40:36SPEAKERsorry, but like over component, for example, or VGA,

40:40SPEAKERyou've got like RGB, I think RGSB is another one.

40:44SPEAKERThere's like multiple flavors of RGB.

40:46SPEAKERThere's whatever comes out of component, which is,

40:49SPEAKERI've never known how to pronounce this.

40:50SPEAKER- YP-

40:51SPEAKER- YPBR.

40:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:53SPEAKER- Is how it's the actual-

40:54SPEAKER- It's chroma luminance in one other,

40:57SPEAKERI can't remember what the other one is, blacks maybe.

41:00SPEAKERWe talked about this on the video episode.

41:01SPEAKERI can't, it's just, it's gone from my head.

41:03SPEAKER- I don't know if there's a way to pronounce that,

41:05SPEAKERthat is not just the letters.

41:08SPEAKERAnyway, like figuring out what you can get out of a mister

41:10SPEAKERover different connection types

41:12SPEAKERand what will be accepted by your average TV

41:15SPEAKERis kind of complicated.

41:16SPEAKER- It like, and it's not just complicated from a,

41:19SPEAKERlike you have to, in the old days of analog video,

41:22SPEAKERyou basically like plug the yellow wire into the yellow wire

41:25SPEAKERor the red wire to the red wire,

41:26SPEAKERthe white wire to the right wire and it worked.

41:28SPEAKER- That was kind of, yes,

41:29SPEAKERthat was the extent of what I did back in the day basically.

41:32SPEAKER- Yeah, with this, you have to like set up the mister,

41:35SPEAKERthe software in the mister to output the right video

41:37SPEAKERusing the right output.

41:39SPEAKERAnd it was, it's fairly intense.

41:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it makes you realize there was way,

41:43SPEAKERway more going on under the hood

41:44SPEAKERof getting video out of stuff back in the day

41:47SPEAKERthan you realize.

41:48SPEAKER- Except also it just kind of worked.

41:49SPEAKER- Well, sure.

41:50SPEAKER- So, so yeah, the, the component stuff is chroma

41:54SPEAKERis the other thing, is the other output.

41:56SPEAKERSo it's luminance chroma and Y, whatever Y is, anyway.

42:01SPEAKER- So I, like I said, I looked at that mister add-on stuff

42:04SPEAKERand I was like, ah, this is,

42:06SPEAKERthis is not intended to be my permanent analog mister setup.

42:09SPEAKERThis is just, I just want to kind of get a quick

42:10SPEAKERand dirty output going to play around with it.

42:12SPEAKERCause I want to get, you know,

42:13SPEAKERthere's a lot more interesting mister products coming out

42:16SPEAKERthese days that have got analog stuff built into them.

42:19SPEAKERSo I kind of want to get one of those for,

42:22SPEAKERfor my more permanent setup.

42:24SPEAKERSo I was just looking for something quick and cheap here.

42:26SPEAKER- Do you have a case for your mister or just,

42:28SPEAKERare you raw dogging it still?

42:29SPEAKER- No, remember, remember you laser cut me

42:31SPEAKERsome nice little acrylic plates for the top and bottom,

42:35SPEAKERlike a fan mount.

42:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

42:37SPEAKER- So I've still just got the open,

42:38SPEAKERI've got the open PCB stack still.

42:41SPEAKER- And do you, do you have a, do you have an analog,

42:43SPEAKERdo you have an input board on top?

42:44SPEAKER- Oh no, so I've, I've never had an IO board

42:46SPEAKERcause I've never had an info one before.

42:48SPEAKER- You want my old one?

42:49SPEAKER- Well, sure, if you're looking to get rid of it.

42:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:53SPEAKER- I don't know if I'd, well, we'll talk later.

42:55SPEAKERI might use it, I'm not sure if I would,

42:57SPEAKERI'll have to think about how that would fit.

42:59SPEAKER- Decide it's available if you want it,

43:01SPEAKERit's just going to age in my garage.

43:03SPEAKER- It might get, you'll take it to the storage locker

43:05SPEAKERand then it will get way better.

43:07SPEAKER- 20 years from now, people are going to be like,

43:08SPEAKERwhat the hell is this weird thing?

43:09SPEAKER- The thing will be ripe.

43:11SPEAKER- Yeah, ready to go.

43:12SPEAKER- Yeah, so, so the Mr. also, they added a feature

43:15SPEAKERthree, four years ago, like later into the project

43:18SPEAKERcalled direct video that lets you actually get analog video

43:21SPEAKERout of the HDMI port.

43:23SPEAKER- That's amazing.

43:23SPEAKER- Which I know sounds crazy.

43:24SPEAKERI have no idea what kind of magic they're doing,

43:26SPEAKERsending signals on different HDMI pins or whatever.

43:29SPEAKER- Well, so there's an HDMI,

43:31SPEAKERthere's always been an HDMI to analog option

43:34SPEAKERas part of the spec, yeah.

43:36SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.

43:36SPEAKER- So you used to be able to get an HDMI adapter.

43:39SPEAKERIt's part of the back compatibility stuff.

43:42SPEAKERSo you used to really get like HDMI to VGA adapters

43:44SPEAKERand stuff like that.

43:45SPEAKER- That's exactly what I bought here.

43:46SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

43:47SPEAKER- This is what I ended up doing.

43:48SPEAKERSo in fact, that's how that feature is intended to be used.

43:51SPEAKERWhen you turn on direct video, you need exactly that,

43:54SPEAKERan HDMI to VGA adapter.

43:56SPEAKERBut that ties back into the different signal types

43:58SPEAKERthat I was talking about earlier,

43:59SPEAKERwhere I think all you're getting out of VGA at that point

44:02SPEAKERis RGB, so you need something that can take RGB,

44:04SPEAKERwhich this TV cannot.

44:06SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

44:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:08SPEAKER- Like what I'm saying is,

44:09SPEAKERI couldn't just get this VGA adapter.

44:11SPEAKER- Oh, 'cause you need YPBP-Y.

44:15SPEAKER- So you couldn't just get a dumb passive VGA

44:20SPEAKERor DB9 to component adapter and feed that into the TV,

44:25SPEAKER'cause it's a signal that the TV can't understand.

44:28SPEAKERSo you would need yet another converter box

44:30SPEAKERto convert that into component coming out of the VGA, right?

44:34SPEAKERWhat I ended up doing is I have,

44:36SPEAKERI actually have a little S-video converter,

44:39SPEAKERVGA to S-video that was made by Mr. Add-ons

44:41SPEAKERthat Steve let me have

44:43SPEAKERwhen he was offloading some of this stuff.

44:45SPEAKERBut that thing takes power,

44:46SPEAKERlike I don't get any image out of it

44:48SPEAKERunless I have to power that off a USB brick,

44:50SPEAKERbecause it is doing some active something.

44:54SPEAKER- That is happening.

44:55SPEAKER- Comb filter, I don't know,

44:56SPEAKERsome kind of encoding is turning the RGB VGA signal

44:59SPEAKERinto S-video somehow as it passes through that thing.

45:02SPEAKER- Weird.

45:03SPEAKER- Anyway, it is a fairly ugly Frankenstein's mess

45:06SPEAKERof HDMI to VGA, VGA to little box, box to S-video.

45:11SPEAKERYou know, it's a lot.

45:12SPEAKER- Okay, so the cables are a problem, right?

45:15SPEAKER'Cause I have power, I have the multiple audio,

45:18SPEAKERthe audio, the yellow, red, white RCA's going into the VCR.

45:25SPEAKERAnd then I have a big giant long coax cable

45:28SPEAKERgoing from the VCR to the TV.

45:31SPEAKERBut I also have a bunch of USB cables

45:34SPEAKERgoing to the controllers,

45:35SPEAKER'cause I'm not using wireless on any of those,

45:37SPEAKER'cause wireless is kind of a pain in the butt

45:40SPEAKERin all of these contexts.

45:41SPEAKERAnd also it feels weird to stand there

45:43SPEAKERand use a SNES controller

45:45SPEAKERand not have it be plugged into the thing

45:47SPEAKERthat you're talking to,

45:48SPEAKEReven though I realize that we're past that

45:50SPEAKERin the 21st century.

45:54SPEAKERI don't know that there's a solve for the wire problem.

45:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think so.

45:58SPEAKERI mean, the solve is carve out some space behind the TV

46:01SPEAKERwhere you can tuck it away and not have to see it,

46:03SPEAKERand then you can just press buttons and stuff.

46:04SPEAKER- Well, sure.

46:05SPEAKERIf you need to interact with it, that's a bigger problem.

46:08SPEAKER- Just as a point of clarification,

46:10SPEAKERthe HDMI legacy analog compatibility requires devices

46:15SPEAKERthat know how to export VGA analog signals out through HDMI.

46:21SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

46:22SPEAKER- They're not, like all HDMI ports aren't good

46:25SPEAKERwith the HDMI to VGA adapter.

46:26SPEAKERThis was the part I wanted to look up

46:28SPEAKERto make sure I got right.

46:29SPEAKER- Okay, I had no idea that was part of the spec.

46:31SPEAKERI thought that was just some kind of like ground up

46:33SPEAKERwitchcraft that the mystery developers had concocted.

46:36SPEAKERI didn't realize that was something

46:37SPEAKERthey were piggybacking on.

46:38SPEAKER- No, in the early days of HDMI,

46:40SPEAKERand when you'd get video cards that had HDMI,

46:42SPEAKERoften you'd have either a DVI,

46:44SPEAKERwhich like DVI does have that built into the spec, right?

46:46SPEAKERLike you can get a passive DVI to VGA cable

46:50SPEAKER'cause there are analog pins inside the DVI cable.

46:54SPEAKER- Right.

46:55SPEAKERIn this case though, your adapter has to go with a device

47:00SPEAKERthat knows how to use the adapter.

47:01SPEAKERAnd the adapters may be specific to devices

47:04SPEAKERthat I don't know.

47:05SPEAKERAnyway, so how is it?

47:07SPEAKERAre you enjoying it?

47:08SPEAKER- Looks great, yeah.

47:09SPEAKERIt's like, I mean, I've had, it's been, God,

47:11SPEAKERalmost five years since I put my MiSTer together

47:13SPEAKERright around five years.

47:14SPEAKERSo it's not like a new thing or whatever,

47:16SPEAKERbut like there's something more transportive

47:19SPEAKERabout playing it on the type of screen

47:21SPEAKERthat it was made to be played on, right?

47:22SPEAKEROr the games were made to be played on.

47:23SPEAKERLike I can play old arcade games all I want

47:26SPEAKERon these nice modern digital LCD screens.

47:31SPEAKERThere's something that enhances the feeling

47:34SPEAKERof getting away with something illicit, you know?

47:36SPEAKERWhen I'm playing like Ninja Turtles or The Simpsons

47:39SPEAKERor you name it, like any game

47:42SPEAKERthat you pumped quarters into back in the day,

47:44SPEAKERlike playing it on an actual CRT in your house feels like,

47:47SPEAKERoh wow, like my 10-year-old dream

47:51SPEAKERof owning a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles machine.

47:53SPEAKERIt's like kind of being realized here.

47:55SPEAKERWell, I mean, you're not wrong.

47:57SPEAKERThere's a, the thing I noticed before I did anything else

48:02SPEAKERwas how even when the dial was kind of janky still,

48:07SPEAKERlike the colors are intense, like really, really bright,

48:12SPEAKEReven compared to like my nice OLED 4K monitor and all that.

48:17SPEAKERAnd as I was setting up the MiSTer to work on the TV,

48:20SPEAKERI had it plugged into the capture card on my computer

48:22SPEAKERand I was running it on the screen, on this nice OLED,

48:26SPEAKERand I put that screen view, the screen window

48:30SPEAKERthat we talked about a couple of weeks ago,

48:32SPEAKERup on top of it, and it looks really nice.

48:34SPEAKERLike it looks good, it has good scan lines,

48:37SPEAKERthe whole thing, everything you want.

48:39SPEAKERBut damn, when you plug it into the real TV,

48:41SPEAKERit's pretty amazing.

48:42SPEAKERNow, one of the things that's interesting on mine

48:45SPEAKERis when I, I aimed the high-speed camera on my phone at it

48:49SPEAKERjust to see what, see if I could see scan lines

48:51SPEAKERto show the kiddo how it worked.

48:53SPEAKERAnd they're diagonal, so there's like a diagonal bar,

48:57SPEAKERwhich I assume is the blanking, is the blank,

49:00SPEAKERis the blank screen, the blank passes

49:02SPEAKERthat you're seeing or something, I don't know.

49:04SPEAKERIt's really weird, it's not like anything I've seen before.

49:07SPEAKERIt's also only 240 hertz camera,

49:09SPEAKERso it might be that it's not fast enough

49:11SPEAKERto pick it up reliably, but.

49:14SPEAKER- One thing I found is that I had most of the cores

49:17SPEAKERthat I use regularly, I had turned on a bunch of the fake,

49:22SPEAKERyou know, scan line and shadow mask type stuff,

49:24SPEAKERlike a lot of the video processing.

49:26SPEAKERIt's supposed to replicate the look of a CRT,

49:28SPEAKERand I had forgotten about that,

49:29SPEAKERso as I was playing all these things on this TV

49:31SPEAKERfor the first time, I had to remind myself like,

49:34SPEAKERoh wait, I'm overlaying a bunch of fake scan lines

49:36SPEAKERand fake shadow mask patterns on top of a real TV

49:39SPEAKERthat has real physical versions of that stuff,

49:41SPEAKERso I could turn all that stuff off.

49:44SPEAKER- I went through and made sure I had the right audio chip

49:47SPEAKERfor the RNS and Genesis that I had.

49:51SPEAKERI declared Mr. Bankruptcy when I started out on this.

49:55SPEAKERI kept, my ROM stuff was all organized and right,

49:58SPEAKERbut I wiped out the settings folder

49:59SPEAKERand just started from scratch

50:00SPEAKERbecause it had been long enough.

50:03SPEAKERAnd like, it's been, so my Mr. goes through intense periods

50:08SPEAKERof use and then ages for six or eight months at a time.

50:10SPEAKER- That'll happen.

50:12SPEAKER- So like the last time I probably got into it

50:14SPEAKERwas when the PS1 core was new.

50:16SPEAKER- Okay.

50:17SPEAKER- Maybe the N64 core.

50:18SPEAKER- It's been a couple of years.

50:19SPEAKER- And it's been a minute.

50:21SPEAKERSo like, it was nice to come in

50:23SPEAKERwith a relatively fresh start.

50:25SPEAKERNow, configuring all the cores

50:28SPEAKERand having to dig a keyboard and stuff out

50:30SPEAKERto make it all work was a little bit of a hassle.

50:32SPEAKER- Yes, actually that brings me to,

50:33SPEAKERI can't believe I was about to forget this,

50:35SPEAKERbut the troubleshooting phase of getting this thing working.

50:39SPEAKER- Yeah, so mine just worked.

50:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yours, because you did the sensible thing

50:44SPEAKERand got the all-in-one board

50:45SPEAKERthat kind of just does all this for you.

50:47SPEAKER- Well, no, I still had to set up in the Mr. NE,

50:49SPEAKERI had to set up the resolution and all that stuff, right.

50:52SPEAKERBut in that, but like I did that on the computer

50:55SPEAKERand then I moved it into the other room with the TV.

50:56SPEAKERAnd when I plugged it in, it just, I was really shocked.

50:59SPEAKERI was expecting to have a real back and forth

51:01SPEAKERand a pain in the ass.

51:02SPEAKER- Well, what I mean is I went the direct video route

51:04SPEAKERwhere I've just had to go buy a,

51:05SPEAKERI bought a just a $10 Ugreen HDMI to VGA adapter,

51:08SPEAKERbut there's all kinds of conflicting info out there

51:10SPEAKERabout which adapters work and which don't.

51:12SPEAKERAnd then when I was going through this extra

51:15SPEAKERkind of little encoder dongle to turn it into S-video,

51:17SPEAKERlike it just introduced all kinds of extra variables

51:20SPEAKERthat might or might not work based on like exactly

51:23SPEAKERwhat ship is in this VGA adapter I got.

51:26SPEAKER- So this is literally, I was reading these how-tos

51:29SPEAKER'cause you had recommended that you had said,

51:30SPEAKERhey, you can do this.

51:31SPEAKERAnd Steve pointed me to her a couple of things

51:33SPEAKERand the Mr. Jan will help me with similar info.

51:36SPEAKERAnd I looked at it all and I was like,

51:37SPEAKERif I end up buying three VGA to HDMI adapters,

51:40SPEAKERI might as well have just bought the Mr. add-ons board.

51:43SPEAKER- That was my fear.

51:43SPEAKERThat was exactly it.

51:44SPEAKERAnd even, you know, you can return stuff.

51:46SPEAKERIt's not the end of the world if it doesn't work.

51:48SPEAKER- But it's a hassle.

51:49SPEAKER- But that was the thing.

51:50SPEAKERIt was just like, oh man,

51:51SPEAKERlike I've got some time off this week.

51:52SPEAKERI really just want to play with this thing.

51:53SPEAKERI don't want to cycle through three or four adapters,

51:56SPEAKERtrying to find one that works.

51:57SPEAKERAll of this is a preamble for me saying,

52:00SPEAKERwhen I finally got all this stuff hooked up

52:01SPEAKERand started trying to make it work,

52:04SPEAKERwhat I was getting, it's kind of hard to,

52:05SPEAKERI actually posted a video on the Discord

52:07SPEAKERif you want to go look at it,

52:07SPEAKERbut it's kind of hard to describe.

52:08SPEAKERI was getting like sort of three images

52:12SPEAKERof the image side by side.

52:13SPEAKERAll scrolling horrors are vertically, very rapidly.

52:16SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems bad.

52:17SPEAKER- It was like, okay, well maybe I just got a bad adapter

52:19SPEAKERor like one that is not compatible

52:20SPEAKERwith whatever the Mr. is doing.

52:22SPEAKERI spent like most of a morning trying to troubleshoot stuff.

52:26SPEAKER- Do you have to just switch the component cables?

52:28SPEAKER- Trying to figure out what was going on with this thing.

52:30SPEAKERIt finally got to the point where I could not find help

52:32SPEAKERanywhere else, so I ended up on the actual Mr. Discord

52:34SPEAKERin the help channel, posting a video there.

52:37SPEAKERPeople were going like, oh, I've got that same equipment.

52:39SPEAKERLike I haven't seen that, that's weird.

52:41SPEAKERCan you post your INI file?

52:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:44SPEAKER- And I was like, sure, I drag it in there.

52:47SPEAKERThe person who's helping me,

52:48SPEAKERthe very top of the INI file,

52:50SPEAKERit's like kind of a classic INI

52:52SPEAKERwhere it's arranged into sections.

52:54SPEAKEREach section name goes in brackets.

52:57SPEAKERThe person was like, can you add a bracket

53:00SPEAKERat the beginning of the first line?

53:02SPEAKER- Oh my God, really?

53:03SPEAKER- And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

53:05SPEAKERAre you actually serious right now?

53:07SPEAKERSomehow in tweaking and going and changing the settings

53:10SPEAKERto turn on all the analog video stuff,

53:12SPEAKERI had, and yes, I was using Vim for this,

53:15SPEAKERI had somehow deleted the first bracket

53:17SPEAKERat literally the first character of the file.

53:19SPEAKER- Look, Vim does all sorts of things for you.

53:21SPEAKERIt'll mess up your Mr. INI, no problem.

53:23SPEAKERThat's amazing.

53:24SPEAKER- Anyway, it was basically failing

53:27SPEAKERto parse the entire INI file

53:29SPEAKERbecause the first section name

53:30SPEAKERdid not have the proper brackets in closing.

53:34SPEAKER- It's like we always say here,

53:35SPEAKERBrad and Will made a tech pod.

53:36SPEAKERIf something's broken, it's probably Vim.

53:38SPEAKER- I was like over the moon when I saw this.

53:40SPEAKERI can tell you exactly what happened also

53:41SPEAKERbecause X is the delete character key in Vim

53:45SPEAKERand control X is save and quit.

53:47SPEAKERAnd at some point I'm quite positive

53:50SPEAKERI had tried to save and quit a file

53:52SPEAKERand it had not registered command mode

53:54SPEAKERwith the colon for whatever reason.

53:55SPEAKERAnd instead it just took the X and deleted it.

53:58SPEAKERAnyway.

53:59SPEAKER- Which Vim user has not suffered

54:01SPEAKERthis exact same indignity, Brad?

54:02SPEAKERYou should put a couple extra brackets at the front

54:04SPEAKERso you're good to go now.

54:05SPEAKER- Anyway, as embarrassing as that was,

54:06SPEAKERI was over the moon that they had caught that though,

54:08SPEAKERbecause I had just been banging my head on this thing

54:10SPEAKERfor most of a morning.

54:11SPEAKERAnd it probably would have taken me forever

54:13SPEAKERto discover that myself.

54:16SPEAKER- But it's interesting 'cause if you'd,

54:18SPEAKERwhen I was editing my Mr. INI,

54:20SPEAKERI opened it up.

54:21SPEAKERI just opened up the Samba share on my Mr.

54:24SPEAKERfrom my Windows machine and opened Notepad++,

54:27SPEAKERwhich has this syntax highlighting stuff.

54:29SPEAKERSo when you have a missing bracket,

54:30SPEAKERit just highlights everything after that bracket.

54:33SPEAKERThat's not working.

54:35SPEAKERI'm just gonna take a screenshot of your face right now here.

54:38SPEAKERYep, that's going in the file.

54:42SPEAKERI'm sorry about your Vim problems.

54:43SPEAKER- It's fine.

54:44SPEAKERIt was not, look, Vim's fine.

54:46SPEAKERAnd it honestly felt pretty good when they caught that.

54:51SPEAKERAnd I SSH'd into the thing, added the bracket,

54:53SPEAKERsaved it, turned the Mr. or rebooted the Mr.

54:55SPEAKERand it just worked.

54:56SPEAKERI was like, okay, that actually felt very good

54:59SPEAKERto go change one character

55:00SPEAKERand have it solve all of these problems.

55:03SPEAKERIt was a good time. - That's really funny.

55:04SPEAKER- It was a good time. - This is really funny.

55:06SPEAKER- Yes, anyway.

55:08SPEAKER- So I went through as part of the Mr.,

55:11SPEAKERI had at one point mounted,

55:13SPEAKERI made some choices when I first set up the Mr.

55:15SPEAKERAnd I think when I was,

55:16SPEAKER'cause I mount my ROMs are for the most part

55:18SPEAKERstored on the NAS, so that I don't have,

55:22SPEAKERI have like a small SSD, a small SD card in the Mr.

55:27SPEAKERAnd I think I at one point had mounted,

55:30SPEAKERI'd mounted the ROMs in like a subfolder of the subfolder

55:33SPEAKERthey were supposed to be in

55:33SPEAKERinstead of the subfolder they were supposed to be in.

55:35SPEAKERSo they were like, I had multiple ghost Mr.

55:39SPEAKERfolder hierarchies on my SD card

55:42SPEAKERand I had to go through and clean up all that stuff.

55:44SPEAKERBut the nice thing is, as a result of cleaning all that stuff

55:47SPEAKERup and getting the BIOSes and the places

55:48SPEAKERwhere they're expected to be

55:49SPEAKERand getting the config files for the different cores

55:52SPEAKERwhere they're supposed to be,

55:53SPEAKERis that now stuff is just really easy to manage

55:55SPEAKERand I can flip it on and remote into it

55:59SPEAKERand do it from a PC or laptop.

56:01SPEAKERSo I can sit there with my laptop in another room

56:04SPEAKERwith the Mr. just connected over wifi

56:06SPEAKERand it works pretty good for the most part.

56:08SPEAKERThe wifi connection's not stable enough to do like,

56:12SPEAKERto move like big ROMs onto it,

56:14SPEAKERbut also I can just put those on on the NAS

56:16SPEAKERand it turns out that works fine.

56:17SPEAKER- Yeah, two things here on the storing all your games

56:20SPEAKERon the NAS thing that really proved its worth

56:23SPEAKERlike the next day when I found there, you know,

56:25SPEAKERlike a lot of people are making old games or sorry,

56:27SPEAKERnew games for old consoles, you know,

56:28SPEAKERyou're like developers making like,

56:29SPEAKERhey, we made a shoot 'em up for the Genesis or whatever.

56:33SPEAKERA Japanese developer has put out a new side scrolling

56:35SPEAKERshooter, side scrolling shooter.

56:37SPEAKER- Ooh.

56:38SPEAKER- Like similarly Gradius, Life Force, that style of shooter.

56:40SPEAKER- Oh wow.

56:41SPEAKER- Not the vertically scrolling one like 1943 or whatever.

56:44SPEAKER- Or Xevious or whatever, yeah.

56:45SPEAKER- They had, I found a demo ROM of it.

56:48SPEAKERLike they're only selling physical parts.

56:50SPEAKERThere's no digital release.

56:51SPEAKERSo you literally can't even buy the ROM

56:53SPEAKERfrom them if you want to.

56:54SPEAKER- Is this that Genesis, is this a Genesis game?

56:56SPEAKERIs that what it is?

56:57SPEAKER- No, it's an NES game.

56:58SPEAKERThe name is very esoteric and I cannot remember at all

57:01SPEAKERwhat it is right now.

57:02SPEAKERLike it is completely escaping me.

57:04SPEAKER- I saw a Genesis game that's like this yesterday too.

57:06SPEAKERIt's like a Metroidvania.

57:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I would believe that that is also in progress.

57:10SPEAKERI mean, I think there are a lot of, like there are, you know,

57:12SPEAKERthere are new GBA games being made all the time now.

57:15SPEAKERTrying to find the name of the game just to fill it in here.

57:17SPEAKERBut anyway, like the point is when I found that demo ROM

57:22SPEAKERof it, I just threw it on the right folder on the NAS

57:24SPEAKERand swiveled my chair around and turned the MiSTer on

57:26SPEAKERand there it was just ready to play, right?

57:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really nice.

57:28SPEAKERIt takes a minute for the NAS to mount the Samba share,

57:32SPEAKERbut the MiSTer to mount the Samba share.

57:34SPEAKER- Yes, I have been finding that.

57:35SPEAKERSo that's the other thing I was gonna say is on the subject

57:37SPEAKERof having your MiSTer on wifi.

57:39SPEAKERThis might have been better than finding that bracket error

57:43SPEAKERand fixing it.

57:44SPEAKER- Which is?

57:45SPEAKER- I pulled a router that I've had in the box

57:47SPEAKERfor eight years out and put it back into service.

57:50SPEAKER- Oh, and you're using it as a bridge?

57:51SPEAKER- Yeah, so we're gonna set up my oldest new SARTI N66.

57:54SPEAKERYou remember that one?

57:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:56SPEAKER- The classic. - It's a classic, yeah.

57:57SPEAKER- The classic N router that everybody bought.

57:59SPEAKER- I used that one until it actually died.

58:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:02SPEAKER- Mine conked out eventually.

58:03SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've like, you know, holding on to old stuff

58:06SPEAKERI know is kind of fraught and perhaps some of us,

58:10SPEAKERperhaps some of us do it a little bit to access.

58:11SPEAKERI get it.

58:12SPEAKER- Sometimes hoarding is good, Brad.

58:13SPEAKER- Like I do think that maybe keeping your previous

58:16SPEAKERwifi router around just in case is actually not the worst

58:19SPEAKERthing to do because A, router is critical infrastructure.

58:22SPEAKERSo if yours dies, it's nice to have something

58:24SPEAKERto plug in on the spot.

58:26SPEAKERBut B, you know, like it's getting wired internet

58:28SPEAKERin a corner of a room where it's not feasible

58:30SPEAKERto run a cable is, I mean, it's not actual wired internet,

58:34SPEAKERbut like what I mean is like I could get a wifi adapter

58:37SPEAKERfor the mister and set it up on there,

58:39SPEAKERwhich is probably gonna be not great

58:40SPEAKERbecause it's tiny little USB dongle

58:41SPEAKERwith a tiny antenna in it.

58:44SPEAKEROr I can use this dedicated box

58:45SPEAKERthat's got multiple big antennas and turn that into.

58:48SPEAKER- So I'll tell you, I use the wifi, the little tiny dongle

58:51SPEAKERand it's fine.

58:52SPEAKER- I'm sure it's fine.

58:53SPEAKERIt's the problem, I was having a problem with it briefly

58:57SPEAKERwhen I first started setting this up where it was hooking up

58:59SPEAKERto the wrong access point because I have access points

59:02SPEAKERon either side of the house.

59:04SPEAKERAnd it was hooking up to the one that was far away

59:06SPEAKERfrom where I was sitting just because I think signal

59:08SPEAKERwas too high where it was.

59:10SPEAKERAnd once I fixed that, it's been really good.

59:14SPEAKERLike I load PlayStation games and everything across it.

59:16SPEAKERIt's fine.

59:17SPEAKERI played Parappa for the first time.

59:19SPEAKER- Wow.

59:20SPEAKER- I never played Parappa because it doesn't really play

59:21SPEAKERon LCDs.

59:22SPEAKER- Oh yeah, right.

59:24SPEAKERSpeaking of games that are not latency tolerant.

59:27SPEAKER- No.

59:28SPEAKER- Parappa is not forgiving about missed inputs.

59:30SPEAKER- So the problem with Parappa on my TV is that I have,

59:33SPEAKERit has like a frame around the edges of the tube

59:35SPEAKERthat almost vignette it.

59:37SPEAKERAnd all the UI that you need to play the game

59:39SPEAKERis covered up by that thing.

59:40SPEAKER- Sure.

59:41SPEAKER- I'll have to get the other TV out to play that I guess.

59:43SPEAKER- But the other thing I was gonna say real quick

59:45SPEAKERabout the wifi is that.

59:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I absolutely believe like a normal dongle

59:48SPEAKERwould be just fine.

59:49SPEAKERI also am going to plug in my PS2 though.

59:52SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

59:53SPEAKER- 'Cause I've got another project brewing there.

59:56SPEAKER- Playing Tony Hawk 3?

59:57SPEAKER- Mess around with maybe trying to load some PS2 games

1:00:00SPEAKERover the network.

1:00:01SPEAKER- Ooh.

1:00:01SPEAKER- From a Samba share.

1:00:02SPEAKER- Okay.

1:00:03SPEAKER- Which I have not started on yet,

1:00:05SPEAKERbut getting wifi on a PS2 is way, way trickier

1:00:08SPEAKERthan getting wifi on a mister.

1:00:10SPEAKERSo I figured why not just set up the bridge

1:00:12SPEAKERwith the router and just plug everything into that instead.

1:00:16SPEAKERI also pulled out my classic ASCII AV selector.

1:00:19SPEAKERAnybody knows?

1:00:20SPEAKER- What's an ASCII AV selector?

1:00:22SPEAKER- ASCII is like the classic Japanese peripheral maker.

1:00:25SPEAKER- Oh.

1:00:26SPEAKER- Like made a lot of Nintendo and Super Nintendo controllers.

1:00:29SPEAKERI think, if I'm not mistaken,

1:00:32SPEAKERI want to say they were the actual manufacturer

1:00:34SPEAKERof the NES advantage.

1:00:36SPEAKER- Really?

1:00:37SPEAKER- Not ASCII branded, obviously.

1:00:38SPEAKERNintendo put their own name on that, but they.

1:00:40SPEAKER- The two button joystick with turbo buttons.

1:00:43SPEAKERI had both of those.

1:00:44SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:00:44SPEAKERAnyway, the ASCII selector is just a nice little

1:00:47SPEAKERlike five or six way analog audio video changer, switcher,

1:00:52SPEAKERselector kind of thing, which I imported, I believe.

1:00:54SPEAKERIt's Japanese made, got Japanese text on the back.

1:00:57SPEAKERI think the point I'm trying to make is that I was the kind

1:01:00SPEAKERof nerd who had to import the best AV selector.

1:01:03SPEAKER- Right, I don't, I'm not surprised.

1:01:05SPEAKER- And not just buy whatever crap was at Walmart at the time

1:01:07SPEAKERin the late nineties.

1:01:09SPEAKER- I was gonna say the other thing that I saw

1:01:11SPEAKERat the flea market last week is, or last month is the,

1:01:15SPEAKERis one of those things that sits underneath your monitor

1:01:16SPEAKERon your desk with like power.

1:01:18SPEAKERIt's a power strip with individual buttons for the computer,

1:01:21SPEAKERthe monitor, the printer, your modem, and then other.

1:01:25SPEAKERI kind of wish I had bought that, useless.

1:01:29SPEAKERBut it would look real good underneath the,

1:01:30SPEAKERunderneath the TV and would replicate the exact setup

1:01:33SPEAKERthat I had as a youth.

1:01:35SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:01:36SPEAKERAnyway, it's been, it's been fun pulling old stuff out

1:01:37SPEAKERand plugging it in.

1:01:38SPEAKERI've been going through old PS2 and GameCube memory cards

1:01:41SPEAKERto see if my save games are still on there.

1:01:43SPEAKERThey are.

1:01:44SPEAKER- It's amazing.

1:01:44SPEAKER- And I have to find a way to dump those soon.

1:01:46SPEAKERMy Xbox does not power on.

1:01:48SPEAKER- Oh no.

1:01:49SPEAKER- My original Xbox does not turn on.

1:01:50SPEAKER- Did you crack it open and had you clipped the clock?

1:01:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I took the clock capacitor and one other

1:01:55SPEAKER'cause I put them in a little Ziploc baggie

1:01:57SPEAKERand taped it to the console just for reference, I guess.

1:01:59SPEAKERWas probably my thinking there.

1:02:01SPEAKERSo I know that I pulled two capacitors out of that thing.

1:02:04SPEAKERLike three or four years ago, maybe three years ago.

1:02:06SPEAKER- It was around the time we started the podcast,

1:02:08SPEAKERif I recall.

1:02:09SPEAKER- Anyway, that thing's still faster or not, does not,

1:02:13SPEAKERoh, actually maybe the other capacitor I took out

1:02:15SPEAKERwas load bearing perhaps.

1:02:16SPEAKERI didn't consider that.

1:02:18SPEAKERNow that I think about it, the clock capacitor,

1:02:20SPEAKERthe system-

1:02:21SPEAKER- It just won't keep real-time clock, right?

1:02:23SPEAKER- Unless I think it's the last revision of Xbox,

1:02:25SPEAKERactually needs it in to boot,

1:02:26SPEAKERbut all the previous ones, which mine is,

1:02:29SPEAKERwork fine without it.

1:02:30SPEAKERBut maybe that other capacitor I took out actually

1:02:33SPEAKERprobably need to open that thing back up

1:02:35SPEAKERand try to service it.

1:02:35SPEAKER- It's got this ASCII-

1:02:36SPEAKER- At some point.

1:02:37SPEAKER- This ASCII, the video switcher is incredible.

1:02:41SPEAKER- The one I have?

1:02:42SPEAKER- Yeah, the one you have.

1:02:42SPEAKERI found it on surugayaha.com.

1:02:47SPEAKER- The selector?

1:02:48SPEAKER- The selector, yeah.

1:02:49SPEAKER- The AV selector, it's nice.

1:02:50SPEAKER- Another hard ASCII AV selector.

1:02:52SPEAKER- You wanna talk about chunky, chunky buttons.

1:02:54SPEAKERThose buttons make a very good thunk when you click them.

1:02:57SPEAKER- They look pretty good.

1:02:59SPEAKERYeah, so it's been fun getting into the analog stuff.

1:03:02SPEAKERThe big surprise for me was how excited

1:03:05SPEAKERmy daughter was about it.

1:03:06SPEAKERI didn't expect her to get into it at all.

1:03:08SPEAKER- Of course, I mean, we've talked a little bit.

1:03:09SPEAKERI think like the youth are kind of having a moment

1:03:11SPEAKERwith analog technology, right?

1:03:12SPEAKERWith film cameras and stuff like that as well.

1:03:15SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe.

1:03:16SPEAKER- Because that tapes.

1:03:17SPEAKER- For her, it's like, I don't know, she's,

1:03:21SPEAKERit's been fun 'cause we'll play Mario to get,

1:03:23SPEAKERshe'll take a turn in Mario and she'll be like,

1:03:24SPEAKER"Hey dad, I got to the fourth world."

1:03:26SPEAKERAnd I'll then play and have a hell of a time

1:03:31SPEAKER'cause the game's way harder than I remember it being.

1:03:34SPEAKERI finally can do the thing where you run and slide

1:03:36SPEAKERunderneath a one height brick when you're big Mario again,

1:03:39SPEAKERwhich I wasn't sure that those 8BitDo controllers

1:03:43SPEAKERwere capable of, but they are.

1:03:46SPEAKERI was just old and couldn't do it anymore.

1:03:48SPEAKERThe next thing I want to look at is getting a snack

1:03:50SPEAKERso I can plug in my old controllers maybe.

1:03:53SPEAKER- Or that ultra low latency.

1:03:55SPEAKER- Well, and I have a zapper here too.

1:03:57SPEAKERSo I can play light gun games.

1:03:59SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

1:04:00SPEAKERIt's the final frontier of Mr. Stuff

1:04:02SPEAKERis playing light gun games.

1:04:04SPEAKER- Look, I did the thing with a retro pie years ago

1:04:08SPEAKERwhere I set up a Wiimote, I set up two candles

1:04:10SPEAKERon the side of the TV and used a Wiimote as a light gun.

1:04:13SPEAKERThat was fun, and it worked surprisingly well

1:04:17SPEAKERfor like House of the Dead and stuff like that.

1:04:20SPEAKERBut yeah, I haven't played,

1:04:22SPEAKERlike I haven't played Hogan's Alley in 30 years.

1:04:24SPEAKERI don't think Hogan's Alley is very good, but who knows?

1:04:27SPEAKERMaybe it is, maybe it's fun.

1:04:28SPEAKER- You might've been missing something back then.

1:04:30SPEAKER- Yeah, look, all I wanted was a copy of Hogan's Alley

1:04:34SPEAKERand they got me Gumshoe 'cause they were like,

1:04:35SPEAKERthis is gonna be, this is an adventure game

1:04:37SPEAKERabout a private detective.

1:04:38SPEAKERYou love detectives.

1:04:39SPEAKERI was like, well, I do love detectives, that is correct.

1:04:41SPEAKER- Is Gumshoe good?

1:04:42SPEAKERI've never played Gumshoe.

1:04:43SPEAKER- So I thought Gumshoe was bad for a long time.

1:04:47SPEAKERAnd then a friend of the show, Jeff Gershman,

1:04:49SPEAKERdid as part of his ranking of Nintendo games,

1:04:53SPEAKERhe got to Gumshoe a few weeks ago.

1:04:55SPEAKERAnd because I've talked so much shit

1:04:56SPEAKERabout Gumshoe over the years, everybody like dumped it to me

1:05:00SPEAKERand watching him play Gumshoe made me think

1:05:02SPEAKERmaybe I'm wrong about Gumshoe.

1:05:04SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

1:05:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you wanna play Gumshoe sometime, let me know.

1:05:08SPEAKERI can set it up.

1:05:10SPEAKERI think maybe, look, it's like Top Gun.

1:05:13SPEAKERMaybe I just wasn't enough of a gamer back then

1:05:15SPEAKERto land on the aircraft carrier successfully.

1:05:18SPEAKERBut now I can do it one or two out of five times, so.

1:05:22SPEAKER- For a game about a hard-boiled detective in a trench coat,

1:05:24SPEAKERthere sure are a lot of like balloons and tropical,

1:05:26SPEAKERlike palm trees and stuff.

1:05:28SPEAKER- Well, look, you go where the case takes you, man.

1:05:31SPEAKER- Fair, that's true.

1:05:32SPEAKER- And I think you had to shoot the pink balloons

1:05:35SPEAKERor you had to jump into the pink balloon.

1:05:37SPEAKERThe way it worked was you made the guy jump.

1:05:39SPEAKERIt was kind of like one of those endless runner games

1:05:44SPEAKER'cause you can't stop him.

1:05:45SPEAKERHe's just always going right.

1:05:47SPEAKERAnd you make him jump by shooting him,

1:05:49SPEAKERbut also you can shoot other stuff

1:05:50SPEAKERlike bottles that people hug at you.

1:05:52SPEAKER- I didn't realize Gumshoe was an endless runner.

1:05:55SPEAKER- Well, we didn't have endless runners then, right?

1:05:57SPEAKER- That's true.

1:05:57SPEAKER- Gumshoe was just a platformer.

1:05:59SPEAKER- Way ahead of its time.

1:06:00SPEAKER- Light gun platformer.

1:06:02SPEAKER- But the last thing I was gonna say,

1:06:03SPEAKERI guess my biggest revelation in messing with all this stuff

1:06:07SPEAKERis how much my brain has been poisoned

1:06:08SPEAKERin the intervening decades

1:06:10SPEAKERby dealing with modern digital signals.

1:06:14SPEAKERI am so attuned now to like,

1:06:16SPEAKERokay, there's gonna be some kind of handshaking

1:06:17SPEAKERgoing on here.

1:06:18SPEAKERI've gotta make sure things are on the right input.

1:06:19SPEAKERI probably need to turn these on in the right order.

1:06:21SPEAKERIf the console doesn't see a viable input on the other end,

1:06:25SPEAKERit's probably gonna drop to like a low resolution.

1:06:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

1:06:28SPEAKERThere's so many quote-unquote "smart things" going on

1:06:30SPEAKERwith devices talking to each other now

1:06:32SPEAKERthat it's been kind of weirdly retroactively revelatory,

1:06:37SPEAKERI would say, to like go back to a time when it was like,

1:06:40SPEAKERoh, this is just an electrical signal coming out of here.

1:06:42SPEAKERLike I just plugged this connector into this plug

1:06:45SPEAKERand it fits snugly.

1:06:46SPEAKERThere's no retention mechanism.

1:06:48SPEAKERIt's just a plug.

1:06:49SPEAKERIt's just sending electricity.

1:06:50SPEAKERIt's just gonna send the electricity,

1:06:52SPEAKERwhether the TV is on or not,

1:06:54SPEAKERwhether it's on the right input or not.

1:06:55SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

1:06:56SPEAKERLike working with these types of analog signals is like,

1:06:58SPEAKERit's been a weird kind of history lesson

1:07:00SPEAKERto go back to this stuff.

1:07:01SPEAKER- Well, so agreed.

1:07:04SPEAKERAnd the other thing I noticed,

1:07:06SPEAKERso I had a VCR, I mean, I'm using a VCR in my pipeline here,

1:07:10SPEAKERand I had some VHS tapes around

1:07:12SPEAKERthat I'd been doing some archival type stuff on before.

1:07:16SPEAKERAnd it's kind of amazing.

1:07:18SPEAKERI had forgotten what it's like to watch stuff

1:07:20SPEAKERwithout like digital compression artifacts

1:07:23SPEAKERbecause our brains filter out those compression artifacts.

1:07:25SPEAKERNow, like we're so used to seeing a little bit

1:07:27SPEAKERof square shimmeriness and blockiness.

1:07:30SPEAKERAnd like even on the newer codecs, like AB1H265,

1:07:34SPEAKERyou still see different kinds of artifacts.

1:07:36SPEAKERThey're not as bad as like the MPEG-2,

1:07:38SPEAKERthe old MPEG-2 artifacts that were on DVDs,

1:07:40SPEAKERbut you forget how much your brain filters that stuff out.

1:07:44SPEAKERAnd to me, the hardest part of this whole thing has been,

1:07:51SPEAKERso there's, I think there's a vertical

1:07:53SPEAKERand horizontal sync knobs on the back

1:07:55SPEAKERthat you can access with a screw.

1:07:58SPEAKERBut on the front, there's like saturation and color,

1:08:00SPEAKERcolor, which is I think saturation and tint,

1:08:03SPEAKERwhich is like the hue where you can change,

1:08:05SPEAKERlike make blue look green or pink or whatever.

1:08:10SPEAKERGetting the saturation right,

1:08:11SPEAKERI don't remember what it was supposed to look like,

1:08:13SPEAKERand I don't have like a navy essentials to plug into this.

1:08:15SPEAKER- Right. - To calibrate it.

1:08:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I've had a similar experience with this thing.

1:08:18SPEAKER'Cause I mean, in this case,

1:08:20SPEAKERthe settings are digital, not knobs like yours,

1:08:22SPEAKERbut it's the same type of thing of like,

1:08:24SPEAKERhow sharp is the CRT supposed to look?

1:08:26SPEAKERLike, where is the brightness supposed to be?

1:08:28SPEAKERI don't remember what the like perceptually,

1:08:30SPEAKERlike what are the ideal settings on this thing?

1:08:32SPEAKERI don't, I've lost that kind of sense memory.

1:08:35SPEAKER- Well, and then, so the other interesting thing

1:08:37SPEAKERthat came out as I was, so my daughter,

1:08:40SPEAKERwe were talking about how it works, right?

1:08:41SPEAKERVersus like how a flat screen TV works.

1:08:44SPEAKERAnd as I was explaining,

1:08:47SPEAKERI realized that there's a bunch of stuff about this

1:08:49SPEAKERthat I don't actually really understand.

1:08:50SPEAKERLike, I know there's an electron gun in the back

1:08:52SPEAKERand that excites some phosphors in the front of the thing,

1:08:54SPEAKERbut how does that make color?

1:08:56SPEAKERAnd how does one signal coming over the airwaves

1:09:00SPEAKERmake every TV, regardless of how big or small it is,

1:09:03SPEAKERwork the same way?

1:09:04SPEAKERAnd it turns out when you go look for that stuff,

1:09:07SPEAKERthere's a lot of like weirdly esoteric,

1:09:09SPEAKERalmost like approaching lost knowledge.

1:09:12SPEAKERAnd there are YouTube videos about this

1:09:15SPEAKERand there are obviously Wikipedia articles

1:09:16SPEAKERand there's people who've talked about

1:09:18SPEAKERhow the technology works,

1:09:19SPEAKERbut there's a lot of like rubber meets the road of,

1:09:23SPEAKERlike if you wanted to manufacture a new CRT today,

1:09:25SPEAKERI don't, I think we're almost to the point

1:09:27SPEAKERthat there's not enough people left

1:09:29SPEAKERthat understand how to make these,

1:09:30SPEAKERthat we'd be able to recreate this technology now

1:09:34SPEAKERif we wanted to.

1:09:34SPEAKERSo it's kind of cool to own like a,

1:09:36SPEAKERyou know, it's like owning a coelacanth, right?

1:09:40SPEAKERWe got living fossils going here, which I like.

1:09:43SPEAKER- Yeah, and they'll probably outlive us.

1:09:45SPEAKER- I don't know about that.

1:09:46SPEAKER- Actually, this is the last thing before we wrap up here.

1:09:49SPEAKERYou mentioned to me beforehand, you're going to upload,

1:09:52SPEAKERyou're gonna make an entry for your model

1:09:53SPEAKERand upload some photos of it to the CRT database.

1:09:56SPEAKER- I am, yeah.

1:09:56SPEAKER- Are you going to follow through on that?

1:09:57SPEAKER- I don't know, we'll see.

1:09:58SPEAKERNow that you said it on the podcast, I probably have to.

1:10:01SPEAKERI got to get a good place to take pictures.

1:10:02SPEAKER- I think that's always the problem.

1:10:03SPEAKERThat's why I brought it up.

1:10:04SPEAKERI was, the CRT database.com is what I'm talking about.

1:10:07SPEAKERI was able to find that Toshiba on there

1:10:08SPEAKERand got some pretty good information

1:10:10SPEAKERabout what it can do from that site.

1:10:12SPEAKERSo I was pretty bummed to find that your TV is not on there.

1:10:15SPEAKER- Nope.

1:10:16SPEAKER- But you can fix that.

1:10:18SPEAKER- I can make it happen.

1:10:19SPEAKER- Like you can add to the collective share of knowledge

1:10:22SPEAKERin the world by documenting this 40 to 45 year old television.

1:10:27SPEAKER- This is the worst shaming you've ever done to me, Brad.

1:10:30SPEAKER- You need to do this for humanity.

1:10:32SPEAKER- This is my penance for the VIM, all the VIM jokes.

1:10:39SPEAKEROkay, I will find a place to take pictures and do that.

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