00:00SPEAKER(upbeat music)
00:30SPEAKER- Welcome to another episode of Brad Will Made of Tech Pot.
00:32SPEAKERI'm Will.
00:33SPEAKER- Hey Will, I'm Brad.
00:34SPEAKERIt's me, hi.
00:35SPEAKER- Hey, Brad.
00:36SPEAKER- You found me.
00:37SPEAKER- You seem so far away.
00:38SPEAKER- I'm trying to hide out in my home,
00:39SPEAKERbut I can't escape the need to talk tech.
00:41SPEAKER- Wait, we gotta do the cold open.
00:42SPEAKERI forgot to do the cold open.
00:44SPEAKER- That's okay.
00:45SPEAKERYou know what?
00:46SPEAKERI think a lot of standards are going out the window
00:46SPEAKERright now, so it's probably fine.
00:47SPEAKER- Everything's backwards.
00:48SPEAKERThe world is upside down.
00:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
00:51SPEAKER- Wait, that's an Hamilton song.
00:53SPEAKERHow you doing, man?
00:54SPEAKERHow's your work?
00:55SPEAKERWelcome to the work from home experiment.
00:56SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, I don't mind it so much.
00:59SPEAKERLike we do it pretty regularly
01:01SPEAKERin the course of things anyway.
01:02SPEAKERSo it's just kind of expanding that out a little bit.
01:05SPEAKER- You guys are like one day a week usually, right?
01:08SPEAKER- Yes, that's typically what we do.
01:10SPEAKERSo, but there are a lot of things
01:12SPEAKERbecause the rest of the week spent in the office
01:13SPEAKERthat I wasn't equipped for,
01:15SPEAKERlike capturing video from video game consoles
01:18SPEAKERand a lot of stuff like that.
01:19SPEAKERSo still a lot of stuff to figure out.
01:22SPEAKER- So you've been setting up a lot of new hardware
01:23SPEAKERthis week while...
01:25SPEAKER- Yes, yes.
01:26SPEAKERI should we just get right down to it?
01:29SPEAKERI think I know where this is going.
01:31SPEAKER- We have some business first.
01:32SPEAKERWe have some business to attend to.
01:33SPEAKERFirst off, big podcast news.
01:35SPEAKERThis is the biggest podcast news we've had yet, I think.
01:38SPEAKERWe're launching a Patreon.
01:39SPEAKERThis is unsurprising if you read the survey.
01:42SPEAKER- Wait, is that how we're saying it?
01:43SPEAKER- I mean, right?
01:45SPEAKERI mean, we're not--
01:45SPEAKER- Patreon?
01:46SPEAKER- Wait, you say Patreon, not Patreon?
01:49SPEAKER- I've never heard the word,
01:50SPEAKERI've never heard that pronunciation before.
01:52SPEAKER- Well, it's for patronage.
01:54SPEAKERIt's not for patronage.
01:55SPEAKER- You mean patronage?
01:57SPEAKER- Shit, do I say this wrong?
01:58SPEAKER- Man.
01:59SPEAKER- Oh, somewhere someone's yelling at me right now.
02:02SPEAKER- Let's ask some Renaissance era aristocrats
02:05SPEAKERhow you're supposed to say that.
02:06SPEAKER- I'm sure somebody will tell me that I'm wrong.
02:08SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, we're launching a Patreon.
02:10SPEAKERWe have a couple of different tiers.
02:12SPEAKERThere's benefits at all sorts of tiers,
02:15SPEAKERincluding access to the exclusive tech pod discord,
02:21SPEAKERwhere people have already found the Patreon just to be clear.
02:23SPEAKER- A handful of very intrepid industrious folks
02:26SPEAKERfound their way in there already.
02:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's up now at patreon.com/techpod.
02:32SPEAKERWe're gonna do a patron exclusive show.
02:36SPEAKEROnce a month is the plan right now,
02:37SPEAKERbut as with a lot of this podcast,
02:39SPEAKERit kind of we're figuring it out as we go along.
02:41SPEAKER- Yes, yes, kind of work in progress,
02:44SPEAKERlike soft launch, let's say.
02:46SPEAKERIt's like phase two of the soft launch.
02:48SPEAKER- Yeah, we're gonna do,
02:49SPEAKERthere'll be some kind of exclusive content at the $5 tier,
02:52SPEAKERand then there's some higher tiers for people
02:53SPEAKERwho wanna get shout outs and stuff like that.
02:57SPEAKER- We're really excited about it and appreciate you guys.
03:00SPEAKERIt's maybe the biggest piece of feedback we've gotten
03:04SPEAKERthat you should please do a Patreon.
03:08SPEAKER- You know, that's not the worst feedback to get, honestly.
03:10SPEAKER- It's very gratifying.
03:11SPEAKERI was very grateful to our audience.
03:12SPEAKERYou guys are awesome.
03:13SPEAKER- And honestly, speaking of gratifying,
03:15SPEAKERI will say I remain grateful
03:16SPEAKERthat anybody even listens to this thing.
03:18SPEAKERSo anything on top of that is a much appreciated bonus.
03:21SPEAKER- Yeah, but yeah.
03:23SPEAKERSo the big thing that's happening this week, obviously,
03:26SPEAKERis that most of America is shutting down,
03:29SPEAKERlarge portions of America are shutting down for coronavirus.
03:32SPEAKERI feel like we're on maybe the second wave
03:35SPEAKER'cause we're in the Bay Area,
03:37SPEAKERand Seattle got hit harder earlier there,
03:40SPEAKERa little bit in our future.
03:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and people even here started taking preemptive action
03:45SPEAKERlike a lot of people have been working from home
03:47SPEAKERfor a week plus at this point.
03:49SPEAKER- I mean, I pulled my daughter out of school
03:50SPEAKERat the start of what's now last week for listeners.
03:54SPEAKERSo she's been out of school all week this week,
03:56SPEAKERand when we started having community spread cases,
03:59SPEAKERI work from home, my wife works in the house,
04:01SPEAKERthere's no reason for us to expose ourselves
04:03SPEAKERany more than we needed to.
04:04SPEAKERSo we're over here flattening the curve, Brad.
04:06SPEAKER- Yeah, working on it.
04:07SPEAKERMy mom, unbidden, used the phrase flatten the curve
04:13SPEAKERin a text message yesterday.
04:14SPEAKERI was very proud.
04:15SPEAKER- Marketing works, good job.
04:17SPEAKER- They're keeping up.
04:18SPEAKERI mean, hey, everybody's in this together.
04:19SPEAKER- Yeah, there are definitely a lot of sources out there
04:22SPEAKERfor coronavirus information.
04:23SPEAKERWe were gonna have somebody, an epidemiologist,
04:25SPEAKERcome on and talk to us this week,
04:26SPEAKERbut scheduling that has gotten challenging
04:29SPEAKERbecause of- - Yeah, it turns out
04:30SPEAKERthe people that know how this stuff works
04:33SPEAKERare in pretty high demand right now.
04:35SPEAKERI was excited to hear about R0,
04:37SPEAKERbut we'll maybe get to that soon.
04:39SPEAKER- Yeah, hopefully we'll do that at some point in the future.
04:41SPEAKERWe have some other friends we can get on
04:42SPEAKERif we can't schedule an epidemiologist.
04:46SPEAKERBut I mean, I think this is a good opportunity
04:48SPEAKERto talk about working from home.
04:49SPEAKERI've been doing it now for five years,
04:53SPEAKERwhich is a lot for four and a half years, I guess.
04:57SPEAKERIt's a lot of working from home.
05:00SPEAKERI gotta imagine, more than anything else,
05:03SPEAKERyour monitor situation has really come to a head this week.
05:06SPEAKER- That's, yeah, that's really the only topic on my mind.
05:10SPEAKERI dragged a monitor home. - Really, that's the only one?
05:12SPEAKERThat's it, Brad?
05:12SPEAKERThat's the only thing you're thinking about right now?
05:14SPEAKER- Well, in the very narrow range of tech topics
05:19SPEAKERthat pertain to this podcast,
05:21SPEAKERthat's what I've been thinking about.
05:23SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.
05:23SPEAKER- In other sociopolitical terms, there's a lot more
05:27SPEAKERon my mind.
05:28SPEAKERBut yeah, so I dragged them on.
05:31SPEAKERI'm in monitor crisis right now, man.
05:33SPEAKER- Wait, did you carry a monitor on the bus, Brad?
05:36SPEAKER- Well, I took a lift.
05:38SPEAKER- Okay, that's-- - Company property.
05:40SPEAKER- Yeah, you gotta protect that.
05:41SPEAKER- I'm not gonna, you know,
05:42SPEAKERI can't put company property at risk.
05:45SPEAKERBut yeah, so I, for a variety of reasons,
05:48SPEAKERI dragged a monitor home from work.
05:51SPEAKER- No, when you get something like really big,
05:54SPEAKERlike a UHD, something like 4K.
05:56SPEAKER- It's a Dell U2415.
05:58SPEAKERIt's not even very fancy at all.
06:00SPEAKERIt's like a $200 monitor.
06:02SPEAKERIt is--
06:03SPEAKER- How many Ps does it have?
06:04SPEAKER- Four or five-year-old model.
06:06SPEAKERIt's 16 by 10, so it's a 1920 by 1200.
06:09SPEAKERBut essentially, it's a 1080p-ish.
06:14SPEAKERNothing fancy.
06:15SPEAKER60 hertz, like one HDMI input.
06:17SPEAKERBut I needed something that, you know,
06:20SPEAKER'cause we're gonna be dealing with the console games,
06:22SPEAKERI needed something with an HDMI input
06:23SPEAKERand that was at least 1080p.
06:26SPEAKERAgain, not the most expensive monitor.
06:28SPEAKERIt's like a four-year-old model.
06:30SPEAKERBut I got it in here and hooked it up.
06:33SPEAKERI got these other two.
06:33SPEAKERI got these two 15-year-old--
06:35SPEAKER- The baby monitors for babies?
06:37SPEAKER- They're actually stacked on top of each other
06:39SPEAKERto my right here.
06:40SPEAKER- Uh-huh, that's almost the size of one real monitor now.
06:43SPEAKER- Anyway, this thing, again, not being super fancy,
06:47SPEAKERlooks so fucking much better than this ancient shit
06:51SPEAKERthat I have, like, I've had my finger hovering
06:54SPEAKERover Amazon order buttons for the last three days
06:56SPEAKERjust trying to resist ordering anything, anything.
07:00SPEAKER- Now's the time.
07:01SPEAKERThere's no better time than now.
07:03SPEAKER- Like, there are cheapo, like, I literally went
07:06SPEAKERto displayninja.com and went to their $100,
07:08SPEAKERlike, of the buyer's guide in the $100 range.
07:10SPEAKERI'm like, there are monitors from 100 to $150
07:14SPEAKERthat are guaranteed to look like 1,000 times better
07:16SPEAKERthan what I've got right now, so, like, I may not,
07:19SPEAKERI may have to get something in here at some point soon.
07:22SPEAKER- You sent me a text the other day that literally said,
07:26SPEAKER"Tell me it's a bad idea to just buy a couple
07:28SPEAKER"of really cheap monitors to hold me out
07:30SPEAKER"while I'm working from home," or something to that effect,
07:32SPEAKERand I was like, "Yeah, that's a really bad idea,
07:33SPEAKER"just buy one." - Why is that a bad idea?
07:34SPEAKER- Just buy, don't, don't, look, don't buy shit
07:37SPEAKERthat's just gonna go in the landfill in a year.
07:40SPEAKERBuy something-- - I would never throw
07:41SPEAKERa monitor away.
07:42SPEAKERI would donate it or sell it.
07:44SPEAKER- I know, but the point is, don't just buy something
07:46SPEAKERto use for, like, monitors should last a long time.
07:48SPEAKER- Oh, hey, knowing-- - I think, good one.
07:49SPEAKER- Knowing me, I will buy these, planning to use them
07:52SPEAKERfor 18 months, and then the decade from now will be--
07:54SPEAKER- I wasn't gonna say that, that was my other thought.
07:57SPEAKER- So, I mean, real quick, just before we move on from this,
08:00SPEAKERlike, my actual thought process, like, you know,
08:02SPEAKERI've been talking for months, obviously,
08:03SPEAKERabout how there's a bunch of--
08:04SPEAKER- Since the dawn of this podcast, actually.
08:06SPEAKER- Uh-huh, yeah, it's an ongoing topic.
08:08SPEAKERWell, you know, like, there are a bunch of nice,
08:11SPEAKERhigher-res IPS panels coming out this year
08:13SPEAKERthat I'm kind of getting tired of waiting for.
08:16SPEAKERThe thought I had, though, is, like, you tell me,
08:19SPEAKERbut it feels like we're, like, two to three years tops
08:23SPEAKERfrom 4K monitors being the new 1080p monitors.
08:26SPEAKERLike, we're getting there.
08:27SPEAKERLike, you can get reasonably priced,
08:30SPEAKERreasonably sized 4K monitors now.
08:32SPEAKER- So I think that's probably the case,
08:33SPEAKERbut I don't, I don't, look, there's gonna be problems
08:38SPEAKERwith 4K gaming for the foreseeable future.
08:40SPEAKEROne is that, like, frame rate is a problem, for sure.
08:43SPEAKER- Yeah, but so, I mean, one of the big factors
08:45SPEAKERin my calculus there is that Nvidia introduced
08:47SPEAKERthe integer scaling in their drivers.
08:49SPEAKERSo you can run, you can run games at 1080p internally
08:53SPEAKERand scale them to 4K quite easily now.
08:55SPEAKERSo you can, that essentially, that solves that problem.
08:58SPEAKER- Well, kind of, but the other problem is,
09:01SPEAKERI mean, yes, it does solve that problem.
09:03SPEAKERThe, I just, I feel like,
09:07SPEAKERit depends on what kind of games you play.
09:09SPEAKERIf you're playing single-player stuff
09:10SPEAKERand you're playing at 30 or 60 hertz, it's fine.
09:12SPEAKERIf you're playing multiplayer,
09:13SPEAKERlike, if you're playing the COD battle royale thing
09:18SPEAKERthat came out this week,
09:20SPEAKERand you wanna be running at 144 frames a second,
09:22SPEAKERyou're not gonna get that at 4K for the foreseeable future.
09:24SPEAKER- Definitely not, yeah, but the point I'm making is,
09:27SPEAKERthat's why I'm looking at just maybe buying
09:29SPEAKERinto some, like, pretty cost-effective 1080p screens now,
09:32SPEAKERand then, like, three years from now or something,
09:34SPEAKERI might, like, sell those for 30 bucks and get into 4K.
09:39SPEAKERThe point I'm making really is that, like,
09:41SPEAKER1440p to me is starting to look more and more
09:43SPEAKERlike kind of a weird stopgap between 1080 and 4K,
09:47SPEAKERand that I would rather just get something
09:50SPEAKERthat's very kind of price-to-performance
09:52SPEAKERand hold out a little bit longer.
09:54SPEAKER- I mean, it depends on what size monitor you're getting to.
09:56SPEAKERI find that at bigger than 24 inches,
09:58SPEAKER1080p is real hard to use.
10:00SPEAKER- Absolutely, yeah, I would not get 1080 at 27 inches.
10:04SPEAKER- Yeah, the, I mean, so if you're looking
10:07SPEAKERat a 24-inch monitor, yeah, 1080p monitors are fine.
10:10SPEAKERI think, you know, I, so I did some monitor rearranging
10:13SPEAKERthis week 'cause I've been spending more time
10:15SPEAKERin front of my desk, and I was like,
10:17SPEAKERI have this big ultra-wide monitor,
10:19SPEAKERbut it's on top of my other, my secondary monitor,
10:22SPEAKERand it pushes that monitor down,
10:23SPEAKERso I was squinching down in my chair too far
10:26SPEAKERto, like, get the monitor at the right height
10:28SPEAKERfor my eyes and all that,
10:29SPEAKERthe main one that I use to play games and work on.
10:32SPEAKERSo I took the ultra-wide, which is on a boom,
10:36SPEAKERit's a 34-inch ultra-wide, and I rotated it portrait.
10:40SPEAKER- What?
10:42SPEAKERDo the drivers even support that?
10:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah, Windows will let you do whatever you want
10:46SPEAKERwith whatever monitor, but it's, it's ridiculous,
10:49SPEAKERlike, it's real dumb, it is so tall.
10:52SPEAKER- What are you putting on that thing?
10:54SPEAKER- So, like, when I'm streaming, it's all my Twitch stuff.
10:57SPEAKER- Okay.
10:58SPEAKER- So it's like, you know, chat and OBS
11:01SPEAKERand all the audio business and Discord and all that.
11:05SPEAKER- That's a lot of real estate,
11:06SPEAKERthat's a lot of chat at one time.
11:08SPEAKER- But like, you can have all of Reddit on there,
11:10SPEAKERlike the whole thing just fits.
11:12SPEAKERLike, it's real tall.
11:15SPEAKER- You need to put a photo of this in the show notes,
11:18SPEAKERthis sounds completely ridiculous.
11:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I'll clean up my desk and if I can take a picture,
11:22SPEAKERyeah, that's a good call.
11:23SPEAKER- Is that thing curved?
11:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah, gentle, gentle curved.
11:27SPEAKERIt's really, it's a look, it's,
11:29SPEAKERmy daughter walked in and was like, "What did you do, Dad?"
11:32SPEAKERIt's like, well, Daddy made some mistakes.
11:35SPEAKER- Oh man, she's reached the stage
11:36SPEAKERof critiquing your desk arranging decisions.
11:39SPEAKER- She hasn't started giving me grief
11:41SPEAKERabout how messy my desk is.
11:42SPEAKER- She has office opinions now.
11:44SPEAKER- She does have feelings.
11:47SPEAKERSo, okay, so your monitor situation,
11:50SPEAKERthe good news is all the rest of your tech stuff
11:51SPEAKERis pretty stable and you've got like a, yeah.
11:54SPEAKER- Actually, maybe not so much.
11:56SPEAKER- What else is happening, Brad?
11:57SPEAKER- I also chose last Friday,
12:00SPEAKERwell, I slash our IT department chose last Friday
12:03SPEAKERto swap my work laptop out.
12:05SPEAKER- Oh no.
12:06SPEAKER- I, we kind of, I maybe could have thought
12:10SPEAKERI had a little bit more about what we might be doing
12:13SPEAKERfor our work situation in the near future,
12:15SPEAKERbut I had a 2013 MacBook Pro, which like two USB 3 ports,
12:21SPEAKERI think, maybe three.
12:22SPEAKERSo it was basically like two Thunderbolt 2 ports,
12:26SPEAKERtwo USB 3, I think.
12:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:29SPEAKER- An SD card reader, like everything,
12:30SPEAKERlike all the kind of standard stuff.
12:31SPEAKER- All the things you need, a headphone jack.
12:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:34SPEAKERWell, so if this new laptop does have a headphone jack,
12:35SPEAKERbut that's about it.
12:37SPEAKERSo I bring that thing in.
12:38SPEAKER- Did you get one of the butterfly key ones,
12:40SPEAKERthe bad keyboard ones?
12:42SPEAKER- I think so, from what I can tell,
12:45SPEAKERthis one has a slightly modified design,
12:46SPEAKERbut it is still the butterfly switch.
12:49SPEAKER- Okay, is that the touch bar?
12:51SPEAKER- Yes, which I'm not sure how I feel about right now.
12:54SPEAKER- Oh, it's bad.
12:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I'm a big fan,
12:56SPEAKERbut I really like physical escape key,
12:58SPEAKERwhich I keep reaching for and not finding.
13:00SPEAKERBut so it's a 2019 MacBook Pro that has a headphone jack
13:04SPEAKERand four USB-C ports.
13:06SPEAKERAnd switching to that two workdays, two business days,
13:11SPEAKERbefore we were suddenly homebound, kind of rough.
13:14SPEAKER- I hope you have a whole boatload of dongles.
13:16SPEAKER- I have one.
13:18SPEAKERThey issued me a dongle that has a USB-C,
13:23SPEAKERHDMI, and one USB-A 3.0.
13:26SPEAKER- Oh, so it's like a mini little docking station thing.
13:28SPEAKERThat's not too bad.
13:29SPEAKER- I don't have nothing,
13:30SPEAKERbut I'm pretty limited on what I can do
13:32SPEAKERwith that laptop at the moment.
13:34SPEAKERYeah, so I mean, the shipping and supply chains
13:38SPEAKERhave not completely broken down yet,
13:40SPEAKERso I might have to Amazon a couple of extra adapters here.
13:46SPEAKERIt's been interesting.
13:47SPEAKERIt's been fun, asterisk, to scramble for, you know,
13:53SPEAKERto try to exercise some ingenuity
13:55SPEAKERand make some stuff work here.
13:57SPEAKER- Well, it's good 'cause you have nothing else
13:58SPEAKERgoing on, clearly.
13:59SPEAKERIt's like a really low traffic time.
14:01SPEAKERYou guys aren't shifting to a work-from-home life
14:03SPEAKERor anything like that.
14:04SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.
14:05SPEAKERThere aren't big games about to hit the streets or anything.
14:09SPEAKER- It's funny that you mention the supply chain stuff
14:14SPEAKERbreaking down because I've heard a couple of people
14:17SPEAKERwho are in manufacturing talking about
14:19SPEAKERhow they're not able to get parts,
14:22SPEAKERso their entire building, you know,
14:24SPEAKERlike they're not able to get pick-and-place parts
14:26SPEAKERfor circuit boards and things like that,
14:28SPEAKERlike transistors and capacitors and MOSFETs
14:30SPEAKERand things like that.
14:31SPEAKERSo their whole production lines are shut down and slowed,
14:35SPEAKERwhich is really, yeah.
14:37SPEAKER- It sounds like the beginning of the chain
14:38SPEAKERfor a lot of that stuff.
14:40SPEAKER- Well, it's why we've seen,
14:42SPEAKERI mean, if you think about it,
14:43SPEAKERChinese, a lot of China, factories in China
14:46SPEAKERhave now been offline for a couple of months,
14:48SPEAKERmonth and a half. - For sure, sure.
14:49SPEAKER- From the end of lunar, you know,
14:50SPEAKERthey plan to be off for lunar new year
14:52SPEAKERfor a couple of weeks,
14:53SPEAKERand then, you know, now it's been a month and a half
14:56SPEAKERafter that.
14:57SPEAKER- Okay, so we've had time to deplete our stocks
14:59SPEAKERof those base components.
15:00SPEAKER- So we're starting to get thin or the factories,
15:03SPEAKERyou know, the assembly places themselves
15:04SPEAKERhave been shut down for obvious reasons.
15:08SPEAKERThey, like we're seeing that other places,
15:13SPEAKERthe VR headsets have been thin for a while post-Christmas,
15:16SPEAKERjust because, you know, there's a big run at Christmas time,
15:20SPEAKERand now it's thinned out again.
15:21SPEAKERI think Valve did a quick run of index sales
15:24SPEAKERearlier this week. - Yes.
15:27SPEAKER- The ring, I tried to get a ring fit the other day,
15:29SPEAKERand they're sold out like everywhere.
15:31SPEAKERWhen you go to Best Buy, it says there's no ring fits
15:33SPEAKERwithin 250 miles of your location.
15:35SPEAKERNot that I would go to retail.
15:37SPEAKER- Wow, yeah, apparently that was happening.
15:39SPEAKERThat was even before all this started,
15:41SPEAKERthose things were pretty tough to find, so.
15:43SPEAKER- I think it was the hot toy at Christmas this year,
15:46SPEAKERso it was tough to find.
15:48SPEAKER- One of the 10 best games of 2019, I understand.
15:52SPEAKER- Oh, really?
15:52SPEAKERHuh, interesting. - That's what I'm told.
15:54SPEAKER- Hmm, wasn't on my list, but.
15:57SPEAKER- Sure.
15:59SPEAKER- It's funny, in this whole situation, as we're shifting,
16:01SPEAKERand there's like big societal changes happening,
16:05SPEAKERfor good reason, just to be clear.
16:06SPEAKERWe're, like, I find it comforting
16:09SPEAKERthat we're shutting stuff down.
16:10SPEAKERI wish we'd done it two weeks ago.
16:14SPEAKERI wish I had talked to my grandmother more,
16:16SPEAKER'cause she was born in 1919 and grew up in London,
16:20SPEAKERso she was, you know, she lived, she was a teenager in her 20s
16:24SPEAKERthrough World War II, and the Blitz, and all that,
16:27SPEAKERand she used to tell me stories about what it was like,
16:30SPEAKERyou know, when they were on rationing for 15 years.
16:34SPEAKER- Oh, sure.
16:35SPEAKER- And, you know, what it was like to get bombed
16:37SPEAKERby the Germans every night, and how they kind of--
16:39SPEAKER- Did the rationing extend past the end of the war?
16:41SPEAKER- Yeah, the rationing extended a long time
16:43SPEAKERpast the end of the war, 'cause the food chains were,
16:45SPEAKEREuropean food chains were messed up
16:47SPEAKERfor five or six years after the end of the war.
16:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
16:52SPEAKER- Like, she and my mom, so my dad was a GI,
16:56SPEAKERmy grandfather was a GI, and my grandmother and my mom
16:59SPEAKERstayed there until '46, I think.
17:05SPEAKERAnd then they came over, he came back,
17:08SPEAKERand they came back over on a ship together.
17:11SPEAKERBut yeah, like, she would tell stories about what,
17:14SPEAKERyou know, trading, everybody pooling their ration cards
17:17SPEAKERfor flour so that somebody who was getting married
17:19SPEAKERcould get a wedding cake, and like, the whole block
17:21SPEAKERwould use their flour ration and egg ration
17:24SPEAKERto make a wedding cake, or--
17:25SPEAKER- That's the kind of communal action
17:28SPEAKERthat makes you feel good about, you know,
17:30SPEAKERthe resilience of the human spirit.
17:32SPEAKER- Yeah, like, when she got married,
17:35SPEAKERone of the women who worked in the parachute place,
17:38SPEAKERin the, like, who was a parachute boulder, basically,
17:41SPEAKERtook, stole unused, like, the silk that was,
17:46SPEAKERfrom parachutes that were too damaged
17:47SPEAKERto continue being used, and they made a wedding dress
17:50SPEAKERfor her out of that, right? - Wow, that is incredible.
17:52SPEAKERHoly crap. - Like, it's about,
17:55SPEAKERI mean, it is incredibly stressful, it's really scary,
17:57SPEAKERbut it was also, the stories she told were about
18:00SPEAKERpeople coming together in this time of adversity,
18:02SPEAKERnot, you know, looting or profiteering or whatever.
18:09SPEAKER- Yeah, we seem to be at the,
18:10SPEAKERwe seem to be at the beginning of the process,
18:12SPEAKERbut like, the pattern that seems like it's gonna emerge,
18:14SPEAKERor always emerges in these situations,
18:16SPEAKERis like, there's an initial period of, like,
18:17SPEAKERuncertainty and fear, and then people become,
18:21SPEAKERI don't know if desensitized is the best word,
18:23SPEAKERor like, the reality becomes normalized,
18:25SPEAKERand people get used to it,
18:26SPEAKERand then people start kind of working together,
18:28SPEAKERand like, helping each other out,
18:30SPEAKERand then generally making the best of it, I guess.
18:34SPEAKER- She, she used to tell a story
18:38SPEAKERabout being on a bus home from work,
18:41SPEAKERand the, you know, the, the,
18:45SPEAKERthey did a crazy daylight savings time,
18:47SPEAKERlike four hour daylight savings time,
18:48SPEAKERso that people would be, I don't remember the rationale,
18:52SPEAKERbut the upshot was, it was so the Germans would be,
18:54SPEAKERthey'd be awake at night when the Germans were bombing,
18:56SPEAKERso they could shoot at the Germans or something.
18:57SPEAKERI don't remember why they did the bad daylight savings.
19:00SPEAKERBut, but, they were riding home on the bus,
19:03SPEAKERand this old, the air raid sirens went off,
19:05SPEAKERand they started hearing bombs exploding,
19:07SPEAKERand one of the old guys on the bus said,
19:10SPEAKER"Oh, Jerry's out to get early!"
19:12SPEAKERAnd everybody, like, laughed.
19:15SPEAKERAnd she's like, this is, this is,
19:16SPEAKERpeople can adapt to anything, is the upshot.
19:18SPEAKER- Yeah, that's some real gallows humor, I guess.
19:21SPEAKERI don't know a lot about the day-to-day
19:23SPEAKERgovernment response at the time,
19:24SPEAKERbut like, even just, you know, the visibility
19:27SPEAKERof like, the keep calm and carry on kind of imagery
19:31SPEAKERthat still exists to this day.
19:32SPEAKERLike, it seems like the role of government support
19:36SPEAKERin maintaining the national spirit
19:37SPEAKERwas a lot more prominent back then.
19:39SPEAKER- I think they valued it more, for sure.
19:43SPEAKERLike, they were paying attention.
19:44SPEAKERI mean, we do have that.
19:46SPEAKERLike, flatten the curve is, I'm--
19:47SPEAKER- Sure, yes.
19:48SPEAKER- Like, stuff like that is in the same vein,
19:51SPEAKERmaybe a little more informed.
19:53SPEAKER- That's fair.
19:54SPEAKER- It kind of, it's one of those situations
19:56SPEAKERwhere I feel like, it's difficult to tell
19:58SPEAKERif social media makes this worse or better,
20:00SPEAKER'cause I feel like I'm definitely better informed
20:03SPEAKERthan somebody would have been in, say, 1916,
20:05SPEAKERwhen the Spanish flu was going around.
20:08SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:08SPEAKER- But I don't know if that's helpful.
20:10SPEAKERI mean, it probably makes me a little bit safer,
20:12SPEAKERbut I don't know.
20:13SPEAKER- Definitely have not been sleeping quite as soundly
20:15SPEAKERfor the last few days.
20:16SPEAKER- No, I've stopped reading any social media
20:19SPEAKERafter nine o'clock so that I can, like, sleep.
20:21SPEAKER- That's probably for the best.
20:24SPEAKERI guess the last thing I'll say that I saw on Twitter
20:26SPEAKERabout the response to all this
20:28SPEAKERand the practices that are being undertaken,
20:30SPEAKERI wish I had saved it.
20:31SPEAKERIt was just a short little thread about, you know,
20:34SPEAKERbasically the measures that people are going to right now
20:36SPEAKERare intended to, you know, stem the spread of infection
20:39SPEAKERso that, you know, the healthcare system isn't overwhelmed
20:42SPEAKERand more people don't die all at the same time.
20:44SPEAKERIt's more about spreading the infection out.
20:45SPEAKERBut they were saying, you know,
20:46SPEAKERone of the inevitable consequences of an effective response
20:50SPEAKERis that down the line, a bunch of people are gonna go,
20:52SPEAKERwell, that sure was a lot of to-do about nothing.
20:54SPEAKERAnd the line that really stuck out to me
20:57SPEAKERwas we have to be willing to look like
20:59SPEAKERwe overreacted later on.
21:01SPEAKER- I mean, look, if people are complaining
21:03SPEAKERthat we overreacted, hooray.
21:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we've talked about the Y2K analogy before,
21:09SPEAKERbut like that, you know, it's like we have to just assume
21:13SPEAKERthat some people are gonna roll their eyes
21:14SPEAKERand say that it was all a bunch of nonsense.
21:17SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, the Y2K is a perfect example
21:20SPEAKERbecause millions of people worked incredibly hard
21:23SPEAKERto make that not a big deal, right?
21:25SPEAKERAnd we were very lucky as a result of that.
21:27SPEAKERIf, I mean, the thing, and this is not,
21:32SPEAKERlike if you look at what's happening in Italy
21:34SPEAKERand what happened in China and think,
21:37SPEAKERoh, this isn't a big deal, people are overreacting,
21:42SPEAKERthen either you're really, really bad at math
21:44SPEAKERor you're a fool and it's fine to overreact.
21:51SPEAKERBut when you're dealing with something
21:52SPEAKERthat spreads exponentially and is doubling
21:54SPEAKERevery two to seven, six days right now, it seems like,
21:59SPEAKERlike anything we can do to prevent the number of people
22:02SPEAKERthat need to be hospitalized from getting bigger
22:04SPEAKERthan the number of hospital beds we can accommodate,
22:06SPEAKERthe better off we are for us,
22:08SPEAKERfor the healthcare professionals
22:09SPEAKERthat have to do this work every day.
22:11SPEAKERAnd just for anything we need to keep the fatality rate
22:15SPEAKERfrom this down is good.
22:17SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.
22:19SPEAKERSo obviously then that leads to a lot of questions about,
22:22SPEAKERhey, what does everybody do when they're shut up
22:23SPEAKERin their homes for the next X number of weeks?
22:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the good news is this is a role
22:29SPEAKERI've been training for for the last 20 years.
22:31SPEAKER- You're on top of it.
22:32SPEAKER- Yeah, like when I used to order pizza
22:35SPEAKERand I was home alone, I would have conversations
22:38SPEAKERwith people off camera when the pizza guy came.
22:41SPEAKERSo it didn't seem like I was a sad guy
22:43SPEAKERordering pizza all by myself.
22:46SPEAKER- That is really a commitment to the bit, I'm impressed.
22:48SPEAKER- Oh, hey guys, the pizza's here.
22:50SPEAKER(laughing)
22:52SPEAKER- Here I am partying,
22:53SPEAKERall of my friends are just out of frame.
22:55SPEAKER- Yep, I ordered pizza.
22:57SPEAKERI have 10 minutes to get in the shower before it's here
22:59SPEAKERand I have to be presentable for the pizza delivery person.
23:05SPEAKER- Anxiety's a hell of a drug.
23:06SPEAKERSo yeah, like, I mean,
23:10SPEAKERlike a lot of the normal work from home stuff
23:12SPEAKERmakes a ton of sense here, right?
23:13SPEAKERLike it's really helpful for your mental,
23:17SPEAKERfor my mental health at least,
23:18SPEAKERto maintain the normal routine.
23:19SPEAKERYou know, get up, eat breakfast, take a shower,
23:22SPEAKERdrink some coffee, sit down, you know,
23:24SPEAKERthe only difference is that now I don't have a commute.
23:26SPEAKERSo my commute is eight feet
23:29SPEAKERinstead of spending 45 minutes in the car.
23:32SPEAKERBut I, you know, put on at least athleisure wear,
23:35SPEAKERso, you know, sweatpants and a t-shirt
23:38SPEAKERwith some sort of design on it.
23:40SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:43SPEAKER- Eat meals at the regular times,
23:45SPEAKERdon't fuck up your sleep schedule real bad.
23:47SPEAKER'Cause that's like, it's real easy
23:50SPEAKERwhen you're working from home
23:51SPEAKERto like work until nine o'clock at night
23:52SPEAKERand then sit down and be like,
23:53SPEAKER"Oh shit, how did I do this?"
23:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so I was definitely on Slack
23:56SPEAKERand going through emails at like nine, 9.30 last night
23:59SPEAKERand that's not a good way to be.
24:00SPEAKER- Yeah, no, so like, you know, respect your start time,
24:04SPEAKERrespect your finish time,
24:05SPEAKERyou know, within reason, obviously,
24:08SPEAKERand eat meals at your normal meal-eating times.
24:12SPEAKERYou know, eat breakfast, eat lunch, eat dinner.
24:15SPEAKERYou put in going for walks, which I think is a good idea
24:17SPEAKERas long as you maintain a gap with other people.
24:19SPEAKER- Yes.
24:21SPEAKER- 'Cause I mean, obviously the goal of working from home
24:24SPEAKERin this situation is to prevent infection spread
24:26SPEAKERor to slow infection spread.
24:28SPEAKERSo, but yeah, walks outside are good.
24:33SPEAKERMy wife and daughter had to go deliver
24:35SPEAKERthe last of the Girl Scout cookies yesterday.
24:37SPEAKERSo they were like driving around
24:39SPEAKERand dropping them at people's doors
24:41SPEAKERand then ringing the doorbell and running away
24:43SPEAKERand saying, "Hey, your cookies are here, come get them."
24:46SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've definitely read stories of people
24:48SPEAKERlike sliding paperwork under doors to be signed
24:50SPEAKERand stuff like that.
24:53SPEAKER- Maintaining outside contact with the world.
24:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:56SPEAKER- So, you know, my Discord for my Twitch stream
25:01SPEAKERhas been full of people talking about
25:04SPEAKERhow this is impacting their lives
25:05SPEAKERand what they're learning and sharing information.
25:07SPEAKERAnd you're talking about what food they're making
25:10SPEAKERand what shows they're watching
25:11SPEAKERand what they're doing to kill time
25:13SPEAKERwhen they're cooped up inside all the time.
25:15SPEAKER- Yeah, and neither of us have this problem,
25:17SPEAKERbut I imagine that is extra crucial
25:18SPEAKERfor people who live alone.
25:20SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
25:21SPEAKERI mean, if you're not having adult human contact
25:23SPEAKERwith the rest of the world,
25:25SPEAKERa bunch of people are doing Zoom calls.
25:27SPEAKERLike a bunch of people in my VR world
25:29SPEAKERare having like a Monday Zoom call get together
25:32SPEAKERwhere they all hop on and kind of chat
25:34SPEAKERand talk about how they're doing.
25:37SPEAKER- Like, it's actually like, just real quick,
25:39SPEAKERlike I just, this occurred to me as you were saying that,
25:41SPEAKERlike it's funny how much of a positive psychological effect
25:44SPEAKERjust hearing about stuff like that has.
25:45SPEAKERLike, like it's in my mind, it was going from,
25:48SPEAKER"Oh my God, it's doom and gloom, the world's ending.
25:50SPEAKERLike, what are we going to do?"
25:51SPEAKERTo hearing stuff like that.
25:52SPEAKERIt's like, "Oh, we could get through this.
25:53SPEAKERLike, this is going to be fine."
25:54SPEAKERLike there are positive aspects here.
25:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, this isn't the stand, right?
25:58SPEAKERLike we're not, we're not,
26:00SPEAKERwe're not in an epic battle for good and evil
26:02SPEAKERwith spiritual forces from beyond our ken.
26:05SPEAKERThis is like...
26:07SPEAKER(laughing)
26:08SPEAKERI mean, yeah, give us some time.
26:11SPEAKER- Bring out your dead.
26:12SPEAKER- Yeah, this is, this is a disease.
26:15SPEAKERAnd like, there's no mystery in how we deal with this
26:18SPEAKERif we're smart.
26:21SPEAKERSo yeah, the, oh, FaceTiming friends and family.
26:25SPEAKERThis is, if you have little kids, you know this all the time
26:27SPEAKERbut like if you're eating lunch and you're there by yourself
26:29SPEAKERand you're alone and you're lonely, you know,
26:31SPEAKERgive your folks a call or give your kid a call
26:33SPEAKERor give your aunts or uncles, text your, you know,
26:36SPEAKERone of the things we've been checking in with our neighbors,
26:39SPEAKERwe have a bunch of neighbors who are in their like
26:41SPEAKERearly sixties, mid sixties and finding out
26:44SPEAKERif we can help them with whatever
26:46SPEAKERthat doesn't involve human contact.
26:48SPEAKERI mean, happy, we're happy to do.
26:50SPEAKER- Sure.
26:52SPEAKER- And then yeah, like the, like,
26:54SPEAKERhow do you make your home, like having a place
26:58SPEAKERwhere you don't have to worry about touching your face
26:59SPEAKERis really nice.
27:00SPEAKER- In your home?
27:01SPEAKER- You just touched your face just then.
27:03SPEAKER- Yes, I absolutely just scratched my nose.
27:05SPEAKERYou're talking about not having to, right, right, right.
27:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like not having to maintain eternal vigilance
27:09SPEAKERin the sanctity of your home will help you maintain sanity.
27:13SPEAKERSo like-
27:14SPEAKER- I've basically just been going straight to the sink
27:16SPEAKERas soon as I come in from having to go anywhere
27:18SPEAKERand washing my hands immediately.
27:20SPEAKER- Good policy.
27:21SPEAKER- But you know, there are these,
27:22SPEAKERsome of these studies are coming out in the last few days.
27:24SPEAKERSaying that the virus can survive on surfaces for days
27:28SPEAKERin some contexts.
27:29SPEAKERSo you gotta be careful about stuff you're bringing in too,
27:32SPEAKERwhich kind of leads me to wonder
27:34SPEAKERhow I should handle grocery shopping.
27:36SPEAKER'Cause that's the one thing I'm gonna have to go out for
27:38SPEAKERat some point.
27:39SPEAKER- So we've been buying, we've been having deliveries done.
27:43SPEAKERYou can still get prime now and Safeway delivery times
27:46SPEAKERin the Bay Area at least.
27:47SPEAKERWe're lucky that we live someplace that we can do that.
27:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
27:50SPEAKER- We haven't been buying a lot of fresh produce
27:53SPEAKERthat we can't like wash with soap and water.
27:55SPEAKER- Right.
27:56SPEAKER- We've been doing a lot of frozen vegetables.
27:59SPEAKERI bought some lettuce 'cause I hate having sandwiches
28:02SPEAKERwithout lettuce and I'll just take my chances.
28:06SPEAKERBut yeah, like anytime we bring packages in,
28:09SPEAKERwe're wiping them off with those Clorox wipes,
28:10SPEAKERwhich seem to be very effective against the virus.
28:13SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:16SPEAKER- And like same thing for when we go out or come in,
28:21SPEAKERwe go straight to the sink, wash hands, take off outerwear,
28:26SPEAKERwipe down all the handles and stuff that we use to get in
28:29SPEAKERwhen we come back in, wipe down the faucets and the soap
28:32SPEAKERand all like, we're a little crazy over here.
28:35SPEAKERI don't know if it's, we might be going too far.
28:37SPEAKER- I don't think you can be too crazy right now.
28:39SPEAKER- I mean, the goal is to maintain a threat free zone
28:46SPEAKERin the house, right?
28:48SPEAKERSpeaking of Clorox wipes and disinfectants and so forth.
28:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:52SPEAKER- I planned poorly.
28:54SPEAKER- Oh no.
28:55SPEAKER- We've got an okay supply of some like peroxide wipes
29:00SPEAKERand a few little tiny isopropyl alcohol prep pads,
29:04SPEAKERbut our bottle of isopropyl alcohol is all but gone.
29:07SPEAKER- Oh no.
29:08SPEAKER- And it is impossible to find right now.
29:10SPEAKERSo I've got-- - Do you have bleach?
29:14SPEAKER- I think we do.
29:16SPEAKER- So you can dilute that down and it's just as effective.
29:19SPEAKER- Really?
29:20SPEAKER- It's my understanding.
29:21SPEAKERYeah, like specifically those Clorox wipes
29:24SPEAKERthat are used bleach as the disinfecting agent
29:26SPEAKERare listed as one of the effective items.
29:29SPEAKER- I mean, the biggest reason I like the isopropyl alcohol
29:32SPEAKERis how fast it evaporates.
29:33SPEAKERSo I can use it on electronics a lot more confidently.
29:36SPEAKERSo I'm still trying to find a bottle
29:38SPEAKERand I was gonna ask you like, as of right now,
29:41SPEAKERmy method is that I have a bunch of bookmarks saved
29:43SPEAKERto the product page on, you know,
29:46SPEAKERWalgreens.com, CVS.com, Target, Safeway.
29:49SPEAKERLike I'm basically just checking their stock manually
29:52SPEAKERevery morning.
29:53SPEAKER- Yeah.
29:54SPEAKER- And obviously that's not doing much good.
29:55SPEAKERDo you have any other tips for like trying to catch it
29:57SPEAKERwhen it's around somewhere?
29:59SPEAKER- So there used to be services that would do this for you.
30:02SPEAKERI don't know that they would have fooled with isopropyl
30:04SPEAKERbecause it's kind of a low dollar item.
30:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:07SPEAKER- I think other than checking in or hoofing it
30:11SPEAKERto your like your bodega around the corner
30:12SPEAKERfrom your house or whatever,
30:14SPEAKERI feel like you're probably boned at this point
30:17SPEAKER'cause it seems like it's gonna be thin for a bit.
30:20SPEAKERThat'll restock though.
30:20SPEAKERWe make that here, so that shouldn't be a problem.
30:23SPEAKER- Yeah, all right, I'll just keep checking.
30:25SPEAKER- You can also use ethanol.
30:26SPEAKERSo you can use like Everclear
30:28SPEAKERif you have a liquor store near you.
30:30SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.
30:31SPEAKER- It needs to be a high proof.
30:33SPEAKERIt needs to be a high proof.
30:35SPEAKERIs it so you don't wanna use ethanol on your skin?
30:37SPEAKER- Yeah, and no additives, of course.
30:40SPEAKER- Yeah, the additives don't matter,
30:41SPEAKERbut like you can't, like the rum people comically,
30:46SPEAKERwe're having to tell people not to use, or vodka,
30:48SPEAKERwe're having to tell people not to use vodka
30:49SPEAKERto make hand sanitizer.
30:50SPEAKER- That's what I'm talking about.
30:52SPEAKERLike you want, like, 'cause Everclear is nothing
30:54SPEAKERbut ethanol and a little bit of water, right?
30:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so ethanol is 100% ethanol.
30:59SPEAKERIt's 100% pure grain alcohol.
31:01SPEAKER- And that's bad for your skin?
31:03SPEAKER- Well, it'll dry it out real bad.
31:04SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
31:06SPEAKERWould it evaporate off of electronics?
31:08SPEAKER- It should, yeah.
31:09SPEAKER- Okay, okay.
31:10SPEAKERI mean, the 10% bleach solution seems,
31:12SPEAKERso Apple was saying, use Clorox wipes on your phone.
31:15SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm way out of the curve on that one.
31:18SPEAKERI've been using such wipes on my phone for two years,
31:22SPEAKERso my oleophobic coating is long gone.
31:24SPEAKER- Well, so the-
31:25SPEAKER- But they finally kind of pulled back on saying like,
31:28SPEAKERhey, don't use these things on your phone.
31:29SPEAKERIt's probably fine.
31:31SPEAKER- The, those wipes, just in general, for future reference,
31:38SPEAKERit doesn't help now, I realize,
31:40SPEAKERbut those wipes are super good for having around
31:42SPEAKERif you have kids,
31:44SPEAKERbecause when they get sick and are throwing up,
31:46SPEAKERyou can just follow them and wipe down every surface
31:48SPEAKERthat they touch with those,
31:50SPEAKERand we've managed to go through a couple of norovirus runs
31:53SPEAKERwhere my daughter got sick
31:54SPEAKERand neither of the rest of us managed to get sick.
31:56SPEAKER- Wow, that's impressive, okay.
31:58SPEAKER- I mean, we're also maniacs about it, so.
32:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I mean, you just gotta protect yourself.
32:03SPEAKERYeah, I've talked about it
32:04SPEAKERon some of the giant bomb stuff before,
32:06SPEAKERbut I had a pretty bad bout with hand, foot, and mouth disease
32:10SPEAKERa little over a year ago that I caught
32:11SPEAKERfrom my year and a half old nephew.
32:15SPEAKER- Nice job.
32:16SPEAKER- As did everyone else in the house at Christmas.
32:19SPEAKER- We always manage to avoid that,
32:21SPEAKERand I consider myself blessed 'cause it sounds horrific.
32:24SPEAKER- It is, I mean, you know, it's not gonna kill you,
32:26SPEAKERbut it is an unbelievably unpleasant.
32:29SPEAKER- Yeah, so then I guess the last thing is what to do
32:32SPEAKERif you get sick and basically call your doctor.
32:35SPEAKERI think anybody listening to this
32:36SPEAKERis probably outside of the age range
32:38SPEAKERthat's in a high danger zone.
32:42SPEAKERIf you start experiencing shortness of breath,
32:44SPEAKERI think you're supposed to go to the ER,
32:45SPEAKERbut calling your doctor is the right choice
32:50SPEAKERwhether you're in a comorbidity type way or not.
32:57SPEAKERSo yeah, I think that's my sanity practices.
33:04SPEAKER- I feel like, I mean, I know people panicked, freaked out.
33:08SPEAKERWe were recording this on Friday morning, I guess.
33:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:12SPEAKER- Another good work from home tip
33:13SPEAKERis to know what day of the week it is.
33:15SPEAKER(laughing)
33:18SPEAKER- Yeah, you know.
33:20SPEAKER- You don't wanna pop in for the stand up
33:21SPEAKERon Saturday morning and be like,
33:22SPEAKER"Hey, where the hell is everybody in Slack?"
33:24SPEAKERAnd then, you know, and then you're the jerk.
33:29SPEAKERYeah, it's, I would say like generally be careful
33:34SPEAKERwith reading too much.
33:36SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:36SPEAKER- Like the day that all those accounts
33:40SPEAKERfrom Italian hospitals started coming out
33:42SPEAKERwhere they, when they ran out of respirators and ICU beds
33:44SPEAKERfor the number of people that were affected,
33:46SPEAKERI read those until about three o'clock in the morning
33:49SPEAKERand then didn't sleep for two days.
33:51SPEAKER- Yeah, those threads were definitely the inflection point
33:53SPEAKERfor me of like, we should probably think about
33:56SPEAKERstaying in our house from now on.
33:58SPEAKER- Oh, here's one.
34:00SPEAKERIn my Discord yesterday, there was a conversation
34:02SPEAKERabout what to do if your spouse or partner or parents
34:04SPEAKERor someone important to you
34:06SPEAKERisn't taking this seriously enough.
34:08SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.
34:10SPEAKER- My mom is immune compromised
34:11SPEAKERand we had this conversation, we had this last week.
34:13SPEAKERShe was like, "Oh, this isn't that big a deal."
34:16SPEAKERBut also they came out here last month
34:18SPEAKERand we're gonna cancel the trip
34:19SPEAKERbecause it was spreading in China.
34:23SPEAKERSo, you know, cognitive dissonance is a real bitch.
34:27SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:29SPEAKER- Like sharing stories, the panel that happened at UCSF
34:33SPEAKERmiddle of last week for you all,
34:36SPEAKERsome people posted notes from that
34:38SPEAKERwhich were maybe not entirely accurate
34:40SPEAKERfor what the panel's intent was,
34:46SPEAKERbut painted a stark picture about the risks of this disease.
34:51SPEAKERThe Atlantic has done a series of stories
34:55SPEAKERthat are really good and informative without being panicky
34:58SPEAKERand without being overly scary,
35:01SPEAKERbut that are, I think, realistic
35:03SPEAKERand show what the danger is
35:06SPEAKERand what the threat is in a realistic way.
35:09SPEAKERAnd yeah, I mean, try not to let your parents get on cruises
35:13SPEAKERif you can help it, I guess.
35:14SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty safe advice.
35:16SPEAKERI have a related question.
35:18SPEAKERI don't know if you're in a position to answer it.
35:21SPEAKERIn fact, this would have been a perfect question
35:24SPEAKERfor the epidemiologist if we had put that together.
35:28SPEAKERBut have you seen any advice about what to do
35:31SPEAKERif someone that you cohabitate with becomes infected?
35:36SPEAKER- Put them in one room, mostly by themselves.
35:38SPEAKER- Okay, I'm just trying to just avoid contact
35:41SPEAKERas much as possible, wipe down the bathroom.
35:44SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:44SPEAKER- Every three hours.
35:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, wipe down the bathroom.
35:50SPEAKERDon't, like, anytime you have contact with that person,
35:54SPEAKERwash your hands, have them wear a mask
35:57SPEAKERif they're in common areas.
35:59SPEAKER- Sure.
36:00SPEAKER- Just to try to catch as many of the droplets as you can.
36:04SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:06SPEAKERI'm sure it goes without saying,
36:07SPEAKERsleep in different rooms until further notice.
36:10SPEAKER- I mean, we're working on the assumption over here
36:13SPEAKERthat if one of us gets it,
36:14SPEAKERthe rest of us are probably gonna get it too,
36:16SPEAKER'cause it seems like inside the same house,
36:18SPEAKERit's pretty hard.
36:19SPEAKERLike, if you can afford a hotel,
36:22SPEAKERmaybe let the person who's sick stay home
36:25SPEAKERand the person who's not sick duck in and out.
36:27SPEAKER- Yeah, that's possible, although, I mean,
36:29SPEAKERsome of the research that's coming out
36:31SPEAKERabout how long people are contagious
36:33SPEAKERis gonna make that pretty impractical after a while.
36:36SPEAKER- I mean, most likely, given that people are contagious,
36:39SPEAKERat least in the last few days
36:41SPEAKERbefore you start developing symptoms,
36:43SPEAKERyou probably are already infected
36:44SPEAKERif somebody else in your house has--
36:46SPEAKER- That's, okay, that's--
36:47SPEAKER- Starts showing symptoms is my, I mean,
36:50SPEAKERso the takeaway from that UCSF thing
36:52SPEAKERis we really don't know a lot of stuff.
36:53SPEAKERWe don't know how long it lasts in the environment.
36:55SPEAKERWe don't know how long the incubation period is.
36:57SPEAKERWe don't know when people start being contagious
36:59SPEAKERinside the incubation period.
37:01SPEAKERAnd that combined, like,
37:04SPEAKERthe reason I was comforted
37:06SPEAKERwhen we started shutting things down is we don't,
37:07SPEAKERthere's enough stuff we don't know.
37:08SPEAKERWe're not able to test fast enough in the US.
37:11SPEAKERSo, like, we can't do containment strategies,
37:15SPEAKER'cause we don't know, like,
37:17SPEAKEROhio was saying they think there's probably 100,000 cases
37:20SPEAKERin the state of Ohio yesterday.
37:22SPEAKERLike, at that point, we have to do whatever we can socially
37:25SPEAKERto prevent spread of the disease, so.
37:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.
37:32SPEAKER- What's up?
37:33SPEAKERYeah!
37:33SPEAKERUh-oh, the last thing I wanted to talk about
37:35SPEAKERis that because of the way the supply chains work,
37:37SPEAKERthis is gonna take a while.
37:41SPEAKERIt's gonna take a while to come back from.
37:42SPEAKERLike, even if we manage to,
37:44SPEAKERthe disease stops spreading in May
37:46SPEAKERbecause of climate, of, you know, season changes,
37:50SPEAKERit's still gonna take a while to get supply chains
37:52SPEAKERworking again, and, you know,
37:54SPEAKERthe things that are easier to shut,
37:56SPEAKERit's easier to shut things down than to start them back up.
37:58SPEAKERSo, things are gonna be weird for a while.
38:01SPEAKERAs I told my daughter the other day,
38:03SPEAKERdon't expect to have blueberries whenever you want.
38:07SPEAKERSo, you know, it's--
38:09SPEAKER- A lot of ripple effects.
38:11SPEAKER- Yeah, we're gonna be feeling this for,
38:13SPEAKERprobably years would be my guess,
38:14SPEAKERbut at least months.
38:16SPEAKER- Yeah.
38:17SPEAKER- So.
38:18SPEAKER- Okay, then.
38:19SPEAKER- Yeah, real upbeat stuff.
38:21SPEAKER- Hey, sign up for our Patreon at TechPod.
38:24SPEAKERSorry, patreon.com/techpod.
38:27SPEAKER- It's out there.
38:29SPEAKERIt's getting there.
38:30SPEAKER- Yeah, and find your community of people.
38:33SPEAKERLike, this is, I posted a goofy video yesterday
38:35SPEAKERof this guy playing a Calliope,
38:37SPEAKERand the caption was day 87 of the quarantine,
38:42SPEAKERbut like, yeah.
38:43SPEAKER- Going around.
38:44SPEAKER- Yeah, learn to juggle, build models,
38:48SPEAKERorder some Gunpla, buy some Lego.
38:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I've definitely had that thought of,
38:53SPEAKERyou know, it's like, okay, I'm gonna be stuck in here
38:54SPEAKERfor some number of weeks.
38:55SPEAKERLike, seems like a good time
38:56SPEAKERto maybe get a steady exercise routine going.
38:59SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:00SPEAKER- You know, let's work on, read some books,
39:03SPEAKERwatch those movies that I've got laying there.
39:05SPEAKER- Yeah, watch every movie that won an Academy Award.
39:07SPEAKERGo through the, you know, you can,
39:09SPEAKERfor 10 bucks a month or something,
39:10SPEAKERyou can sign up for the Criterion Channel.
39:11SPEAKERYou have infinite good movies.
39:13SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I honestly, yeah,
39:14SPEAKERI think like turning your attention toward a project or two,
39:16SPEAKERlike coming up with something you can really focus on
39:18SPEAKERthat would be beneficial long-term is probably
39:21SPEAKERa good way to go.
39:22SPEAKER- Yeah, do some home repair stuff.
39:23SPEAKERMake your living space more comfortable and better for you
39:26SPEAKERand, you know, try to turn this negative time
39:30SPEAKERinto something that's positive.
39:32SPEAKER- Yeah, learn a new skill.
39:33SPEAKERYou know, there's all kinds of stuff.
39:35SPEAKER- So yeah, this is, I guess that's it for us this week.
39:38SPEAKERWe'll be back next week.
39:39SPEAKERI think we're due for a Q&A show next week.
39:41SPEAKERSo send your questions to techpod@content.town.
39:45SPEAKERProbably an extra fertile time for questions to come in.
39:48SPEAKER- Yeah, and look, it doesn't have to be about coronavirus.
39:51SPEAKERWe have whatever you want.
39:52SPEAKERIt can be about technology, you know, send,
39:54SPEAKERwe're open to answering questions.
39:56SPEAKER- I might finally order a Mr., I might finally buy,
39:58SPEAKERI mean, I'm gonna be here for a while.
40:02SPEAKERI need a new tech project.
40:03SPEAKERThat seems like a good thing to mess with.
40:05SPEAKER- That sounds good.
40:06SPEAKERI mean, there's a bazillion,
40:08SPEAKERyou can work on your video game backlog.
40:09SPEAKERThere's all sorts of good stuff you can do.
40:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
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40:24SPEAKERwe're gonna try some stuff and see what works
40:26SPEAKERand what doesn't.
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40:49SPEAKER- Definitely.
40:51SPEAKER- So yeah, thank you all and I guess we'll see you next week.
40:54SPEAKER- Yeah, be safe out there.
40:55SPEAKER- Bye, yeah, wash your hands.
40:57SPEAKERWash 'em real good, 20 seconds, sing the songs.
41:00SPEAKERBye.
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