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25: Put a Doober in the Wall

2020-03-08 · 53:48

00:00SPEAKERWhat's your favorite breakfast sandwich, Brad?

00:01SPEAKERMy favorite breakfast?

00:02SPEAKEROh man.

00:03SPEAKERGosh, let's start with the bread.

00:05SPEAKERYeah.

00:06SPEAKERWell, the bread is negotiable.

00:07SPEAKERYou like a muffin?

00:08SPEAKERYou like a biscuit?

00:09SPEAKERDo you like a croissant?

00:10SPEAKERI like muffins a lot.

00:11SPEAKERBut those are all fine.

00:12SPEAKERLike an English muffin?

00:13SPEAKERI'll take any, I'd say.

00:14SPEAKERBut in the home, it's usually a wheat bread or occasionally a bagel.

00:18SPEAKEROkay.

00:19SPEAKERI'm a straight up biscuit or English muffin guy.

00:21SPEAKERWell, biscuit is the ideal, but you can't.

00:23SPEAKERIt's a special occasion.

00:24SPEAKERDo you not bake biscuits?

00:25SPEAKERI think biscuits like twice a month probably.

00:27SPEAKERBiscuit?

00:28SPEAKERReally?

00:29SPEAKERYeah.

00:30SPEAKERBiscuits are very tricky.

00:31SPEAKERI could teach you how to make biscuits.

00:32SPEAKERYou got a family recipe?

00:33SPEAKERLook, I got an ancient family recipe from, it was passed down from generation to generation

00:38SPEAKERthrough Good Eats.

00:39SPEAKEROkay.

00:40SPEAKERSure.

00:41SPEAKERIt's that ancient font of wisdom.

00:43SPEAKERWe went down a little bit of a biscuit hole recently, in the last couple of years, looking

00:48SPEAKERat different types of flour, and I don't mean wheat versus-

00:52SPEAKERWhite Lily is what you want.

00:54SPEAKERBut specifically, it's just like different types of proteins in the flour and people

00:57SPEAKERanalyzing what types of, you know, the water from different localities that you're putting

01:01SPEAKERin there.

01:02SPEAKERIt's right up there with bagels in terms of you need every variable to be exactly right

01:06SPEAKERto get exactly the biscuit you're looking for.

01:08SPEAKERSo there was a New York Times article about biscuit flour a month ago, maybe two months

01:14SPEAKERago.

01:15SPEAKERThe knowledge is spreading.

01:16SPEAKERThere's a White Lily, there's an underground railroad for White Lily flour to bring it

01:21SPEAKERto the West Coast.

01:22SPEAKERWow.

01:23SPEAKERAnd people will bring bags in their suitcases when they go to South Carolina or Tennessee.

01:27SPEAKEROoh, traveling with bags of flour seems dangerous.

01:29SPEAKERMy parents brought a couple of sacks for me.

01:30SPEAKERI guess if you like double bag it, you're probably safe.

01:32SPEAKERPut it in a Ziploc, it's fine.

01:33SPEAKERYou do not want a bag of flour exploding in your luggage.

01:36SPEAKERIt's better that than a bag of shampoo, a thing of shampoo.

01:39SPEAKERI guess so.

01:40SPEAKERYou think the shampoo would be self-cleaning, but it turns out it's not.

01:43SPEAKERNo, probably not.

01:44SPEAKERBut washing the flour out, getting flour wet, not-

01:47SPEAKERIt's probably fine.

01:48SPEAKERAnyway, okay.

01:49SPEAKERBiscuits are great.

01:50SPEAKERWhatever, any kind, I'll take just about any kind of bread.

01:53SPEAKERYou got your biscuit, you got your bread, whatever.

01:55SPEAKERHonestly, I am pretty meat and potatoes as far as the contents of a breakfast sandwich.

01:58SPEAKERYou like a scrambled egg?

01:59SPEAKERYeah, like an egg, meat, and cheese.

02:01SPEAKERYou can do like a runny fried egg in there?

02:04SPEAKERYeah.

02:05SPEAKERI like to break the yolk.

02:06SPEAKERHave you ever done the kind of over easy fried egg in a sandwich without breaking the yolk

02:10SPEAKERand then you take a bite and just hot molten yolk shoots out across the room?

02:14SPEAKERNo, I want it to shoot right into my mouth.

02:17SPEAKERAiming the yolk is a little tricky.

02:19SPEAKERGina does this thing that really disturbs me where she puts the egg in and she fries

02:24SPEAKERit and she gets it like half fried and then she just stirs it all up in the pan.

02:27SPEAKERYeah, I've done that.

02:28SPEAKERIt's unholy.

02:29SPEAKERIt's not okay.

02:30SPEAKERThat's the safe way to go.

02:31SPEAKEROh no.

02:32SPEAKERSausage, bacon.

02:33SPEAKERWhat's your meat on there?

02:34SPEAKERI'm going to say a ham.

02:35SPEAKERIt's nice and flat.

02:36SPEAKERHam?

02:37SPEAKERHam is flat, stackable, and easy to-

02:38SPEAKERI don't know why we're friends.

02:43SPEAKERI'm not going to lie.

03:12SPEAKERWelcome to Fred and Wil, Made of Tech.

03:13SPEAKERHi, I'm Wil.

03:14SPEAKERHi.

03:15SPEAKERHello, Wil.

03:16SPEAKERIt's early in the AM here.

03:17SPEAKERYeah.

03:18SPEAKERHigh energy today though.

03:19SPEAKERI noticed.

03:20SPEAKERYou said last week we were a little low energy.

03:21SPEAKERSo let's pump it up.

03:22SPEAKERWe're caffeinated.

03:23SPEAKERYeah.

03:24SPEAKERI put some coffee on the table.

03:25SPEAKERWe're good to go.

03:26SPEAKERYou went to bed late.

03:27SPEAKERI woke up early, but let's, yeah.

03:28SPEAKERNever the twin shall cross today.

03:29SPEAKERSo a few months ago, one of the first things we talked about was batteries.

03:31SPEAKERBatteries, it turns out, are complicated.

03:32SPEAKERYes.

03:33SPEAKERYou know what's even more complicated than batteries?

03:34SPEAKERI'm afraid.

03:35SPEAKERI am afraid.

03:36SPEAKERThis week.

03:37SPEAKERI'm afraid to ask.

03:38SPEAKERChargers.

03:39SPEAKERYeah.

03:40SPEAKERBecause things are better now than they were 15 years ago when every device had its own

03:44SPEAKERcustom plug.

03:45SPEAKERAt least now everything has like one of the 20 different flavors of USB physical connectors

03:49SPEAKERon the end.

03:50SPEAKEREverybody has a drawer or had a drawer full of Motorola and LG and a bunch of-

03:55SPEAKERNokia.

03:56SPEAKERNokia had like 20 different connectors at one point.

03:57SPEAKERYes.

03:58SPEAKERThey didn't even use the same ones within the product lines.

04:00SPEAKERYeah.

04:01SPEAKERIt was madness.

04:02SPEAKERYes.

04:03SPEAKEROkay.

04:04SPEAKERThings are better.

04:05SPEAKERThanks to the EU for fixing that.

04:06SPEAKERBecause you know, they said, "Hey, look, everything has to have a USB port."

04:07SPEAKERLike 15 years ago.

04:08SPEAKEROkay.

04:09SPEAKERAnd everybody but Apple stuck with that.

04:10SPEAKERYeah.

04:11SPEAKERHowever, even though the physical connectors have gotten pretty straightforward, the way

04:17SPEAKERthat the electrons travel through the wires and into your batteries has gotten more complicated.

04:22SPEAKERIt is remarkable to me how complicated it is and how poorly they convey that information.

04:26SPEAKERIt is not communicate.

04:27SPEAKERI had to do a lot of reading to figure this stuff out.

04:30SPEAKERYeah.

04:31SPEAKERLike if one cable looks just like another, but it might have completely different capabilities.

04:33SPEAKERExactly.

04:34SPEAKEREven up to the present, we've talked about how shitty even USB-C is.

04:37SPEAKEREven now, you would think USB-C would be the one where they fixed it all, but no, it got

04:43SPEAKERworse.

04:44SPEAKERWell, so, okay, here's the things that are good.

04:46SPEAKEROne is that the charging controllers, which are usually in the device, not on the charger

04:50SPEAKERside anymore, will keep whatever charger you're using from messing up your batteries.

04:56SPEAKEROkay.

04:57SPEAKERThat actually was probably going to be my first real question is, is it actually possible

05:00SPEAKERto damage devices?

05:01SPEAKERAlways, but probably not by charging it.

05:05SPEAKEROkay.

05:06SPEAKERThere are exceptions.

05:07SPEAKERIf you have homemade drones where you have big lipo battery packs that do not have electronics

05:12SPEAKERon them, they're just lipo battery packs, and then you want to make sure you use a charger

05:15SPEAKERthat's compatible with those battery cells so you don't light them on fire and burn your

05:19SPEAKERhouse down and fill it with white lithium smoke.

05:21SPEAKERThat's a different kind of damage than I had in mine, but okay.

05:24SPEAKERYeah.

05:25SPEAKERHowever, in consumer electronic stuff, normal consumer electronic stuff, even commercial

05:29SPEAKERdrones, like DJI drones and stuff like that, the reason those batteries are expensive is

05:33SPEAKERthat they have the charging, the controller circuits, so that on that regard, you don't

05:38SPEAKERhave to worry about that.

05:39SPEAKERAnd the nice thing about what USB has done is it's given a base level of charging compatibility

05:46SPEAKERthat you can rely on.

05:47SPEAKEROkay.

05:48SPEAKERSo real quick, what are, what would be the terms for supplying too much or not enough

05:51SPEAKERpower?

05:52SPEAKERUnder volt, over volt, or those?

05:53SPEAKERIt depends on the, boy, that's a good question.

05:55SPEAKERI don't know that.

05:56SPEAKEROkay.

05:57SPEAKERI just like jargon, but the reason I ask is so is I've always worried that not supplying

06:01SPEAKERenough power to something might be enough to somehow cause some issue, but is that,

06:05SPEAKERis that the case or no?

06:07SPEAKERUnder supply is not a problem.

06:08SPEAKEROkay.

06:09SPEAKERSo that's why...

06:10SPEAKERYou're never going to actually hurt anything.

06:11SPEAKERI know you might not charge properly or at all, but you're not going to actually...

06:14SPEAKERYou shouldn't damage it.

06:15SPEAKERPermanently damage anything.

06:16SPEAKERPresumably.

06:17SPEAKEROkay.

06:18SPEAKERYeah.

06:19SPEAKERUnless you're doing something, unless something really weird happens.

06:20SPEAKERBecause that's something that comes up all the time now that you have a drawer full of,

06:22SPEAKERinstead of proprietary chargers, you've got a drawer full of iPhone bricks, iPad bricks,

06:26SPEAKERor Android equivalents.

06:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

06:28SPEAKERLike you've got a bunch of bricks that all have USB ports on them, but they don't all

06:31SPEAKERsupply the same amount of power.

06:33SPEAKERSo you might be plugging, say an iPad into an iPhone charger, and it's not going to do

06:36SPEAKERany good for you, but I didn't know if it's actually going to hurt anything.

06:38SPEAKERWell, so the nice thing about USB is that it is established essentially a least common

06:42SPEAKERdenominator for charging, and that is what USB one delivered, which was 500 milliamps

06:48SPEAKERor half an amp of power of energy at five volts, which gives you a max wattage of 2.5

06:55SPEAKERwatts.

06:56SPEAKEROh boy, here we go.

06:57SPEAKERWe're going to do some weirdness.

06:58SPEAKERHold on.

06:59SPEAKERShould we explain what this stuff is?

07:00SPEAKERLet's do this again.

07:01SPEAKERMilliamp hours.

07:02SPEAKERI see that you didn't put VAC on here, but I want to ask about that as well.

07:05SPEAKERI don't know what VAC is.

07:06SPEAKERI don't know.

07:07SPEAKERIt's volt.

07:08SPEAKEROh, it's alternating current voltage, right?

07:09SPEAKERYes.

07:10SPEAKERIt's volt.

07:11SPEAKERYes.

07:12SPEAKERBecause that's how my UPS measures consumption, and I don't know how to do the calculation.

07:15SPEAKEROh.

07:16SPEAKERBut oh well.

07:17SPEAKERYeah.

07:18SPEAKERWe're not going to get into that.

07:19SPEAKERThat's too much.

07:20SPEAKERToo early for that.

07:21SPEAKEROkay.

07:22SPEAKERSo volt.

07:23SPEAKERSo if you imagine that electricity flows through wires like water flows through a pipe, the

07:27SPEAKERamps is the diameter of the pipe.

07:29SPEAKERSo that's the amount, the total width of the total amount of volume of electricity that

07:34SPEAKERcan go through the pipe at once.

07:35SPEAKERThat can go through.

07:36SPEAKERThat can.

07:37SPEAKEROkay.

07:38SPEAKERThe volts is the pressure on the pipe.

07:39SPEAKERThat's how much is actually going through?

07:40SPEAKERThat's the pressure of the water.

07:41SPEAKERThat's how much is actually going through?

07:42SPEAKERNo.

07:43SPEAKERAnd watts is the total amount of water that's traveling through.

07:45SPEAKERSo watts is power.

07:48SPEAKERThat's energy over time.

07:51SPEAKERAnd volts and amps describe that in a different way.

07:54SPEAKERSo then the other thing we'll talk about is milliamp hours, which is like, it's the size

07:58SPEAKERof your bucket.

07:59SPEAKERSo milliamp hours is what you use to measure battery, the battery capacity, and it's basically

08:05SPEAKERthe bucket for electrons that are in play for activating your devices.

08:10SPEAKERAnd in phones, we're talking about like 2,000, 2,500, 2,800 milliamp hour batteries.

08:17SPEAKERIn cars, we're talking about kilowatt hour batteries.

08:21SPEAKEROkay.

08:22SPEAKERAnd that's what's on your power bill, right?

08:23SPEAKERIsn't that what the power company measures?

08:24SPEAKERYeah, that's what your power company charges.

08:25SPEAKERKilowatt hours?

08:26SPEAKERIn this case, since we're talking about batteries, we're talking about DC, direct current, not

08:29SPEAKERalternating current.

08:31SPEAKERI don't remember how to do conversions for that stuff off the top of my head.

08:35SPEAKERIt's been 20 years since I had to do that.

08:37SPEAKERAnd I feel like the energy is the same.

08:39SPEAKERThere's loss in conversion because your transformers heat up and stuff like that.

08:44SPEAKERBut I don't think that, fundamentally, this stuff works the same.

08:49SPEAKERPeople will write us letters to let us know.

08:51SPEAKERYes.

08:52SPEAKERLet's just run with that assumption.

08:53SPEAKERYeah.

08:54SPEAKERI wrote this in here, I don't remember why, but I said maybe don't use strange USB ports

08:57SPEAKERor cables to charge your stuff.

08:59SPEAKEROh, right.

09:00SPEAKERThat's right.

09:01SPEAKERSo because the controllers are on the batteries and not on the chargers, the battery controllers

09:07SPEAKERand the chargers have to talk to each other.

09:09SPEAKERSo there has to be a data connection to get more than the base level, five volts, half

09:14SPEAKERmilliamp, 2.5 watts that the USB one provides.

09:17SPEAKERSo are you saying you could be plugging into a dumb charger that is just putting out a

09:20SPEAKERconstant flow?

09:23SPEAKERLike if, for example, we have an iPad charger that we use to run our audio recorder here.

09:29SPEAKERAnd if this was a power only USB cables, because the trick is USB is power and data, right?

09:36SPEAKERSo if you cut the data lines and only leave the power lines connected, the Zoom and the

09:41SPEAKERpower brick won't know how to talk to each other to negotiate whatever power the Zoom

09:46SPEAKERcan support.

09:47SPEAKERSo does that mean the power brick is just going to keep putting out its maximum output?

09:49SPEAKERNo, it's going to only do the five.

09:50SPEAKERIt's only going to get the five volts, 2.5 watts.

09:53SPEAKERSo even there you're not going to damage anything.

09:56SPEAKERYou're just not going to get what you want.

09:57SPEAKERIt defaults to the safe thing, but what will happen is on like a higher draw device like

10:02SPEAKERyour iPad, if we plug your iPad into that, your iPad will drain.

10:06SPEAKERIf you use your iPad while it's plugged in, it will drain faster than it charges.

10:11SPEAKERSo that's why we need these higher standards.

10:16SPEAKERAnd that's why you can't just use what people call USB condom, but it's basically a no

10:20SPEAKERdata USB cable to charge like a modern smartphone or a switch or something like that.

10:26SPEAKERSo as a general rule, I recommend against plugging your USB devices into like lift driver

10:33SPEAKERchargers.

10:34SPEAKERAnd because a lot of the phone security is based on not having physical access to the

10:38SPEAKERdevice.

10:39SPEAKERAnd when you're plugging in your random device to a random charger, you're giving them physical

10:43SPEAKERaccess to the device.

10:45SPEAKERUsually you still have to press a confirmation or something, but that's not guaranteed in

10:47SPEAKERa world where there's a bunch of rootkits out for all the phones.

10:50SPEAKERThat's a good reasons not to do that.

10:52SPEAKERCarry a battery.

10:54SPEAKEREverybody should have a battery.

10:55SPEAKERYeah.

10:56SPEAKERThey're cheap now.

10:57SPEAKERYeah.

10:58SPEAKERAnd we talked about it in the disaster preparedness note.

10:59SPEAKERIt's a bucket for electrons.

11:00SPEAKERYou want that?

11:01SPEAKERYeah.

11:02SPEAKERAnd so there's two parts of this, I think for me.

11:04SPEAKEROne is how you charge over a wire.

11:08SPEAKERAnd then since I got an iPhone 10, the wireless charging pads have become available for those

11:14SPEAKERphones.

11:15SPEAKERAnd I love them.

11:16SPEAKERTotally.

11:17SPEAKERThey're the business.

11:18SPEAKERBut I'm not into the underlying tech of wireless charging because I have an iPhone eight, which

11:21SPEAKERis not quite as fancy, but you know, it's the same year you were on the same model,

11:25SPEAKERbut I will say when I bought it, the wireless charging was the last feature on the list

11:29SPEAKERthat I thought I would care about.

11:30SPEAKERIn fact, it has turned out to be the thing that I love about that phone the most.

11:34SPEAKERIt is so incredibly convenient.

11:36SPEAKERI haven't plugged my phone in, in years at this point, probably the only time I will

11:39SPEAKERplug it in as if I'm in a situation where it's like, Oh, it's a 10% and I got to go

11:43SPEAKERsomewhere in half an hour.

11:44SPEAKERI'm going to plug it into the iPad charger and get it as juiced as possible as fast as

11:47SPEAKERpossible.

11:48SPEAKERBut otherwise, for just day to day, like the wireless is the way to go.

11:51SPEAKERSo we'll get there.

11:52SPEAKERYeah.

11:53SPEAKERSo, so we'll talk about that toward the end of the show, but right now we're gonna talk

11:55SPEAKERabout what USB does.

11:57SPEAKERSo we talked about 500 milliamps, five volts for 2.5 Watts.

12:01SPEAKERAnd you, you, you calculate this by tight, by multiplying the number of amps, not milliamps

12:06SPEAKERby the number of volts and that equals Watts.

12:09SPEAKERSo it's yeah, you don't have to know that maybe I'm not sure if I should mention this

12:14SPEAKERnow or at the end, but amps seems to be the way that most chargers label themselves.

12:20SPEAKERIs that right?

12:21SPEAKERYeah.

12:22SPEAKERFrom what I've seen, like if you're looking at the tiny print on the bottom of an iPad

12:24SPEAKERcharger or whatever, it's going to be an a right.

12:26SPEAKERThat's the unit that you typically are looking at.

12:28SPEAKERYeah.

12:29SPEAKERSo like this one is a, is a five amp charger.

12:31SPEAKERI think, I think most of your little iPhone bricks will be like a one.

12:35SPEAKERYeah.

12:36SPEAKERThis is a nine amp charger actually.

12:37SPEAKERI think.

12:38SPEAKERYeah.

12:39SPEAKEROkay.

12:40SPEAKERI'm like, that's good to know.

12:41SPEAKERRight.

12:42SPEAKERCause it kind of tells you how, how much juice you're going to get out.

12:43SPEAKERIt's the same way that milliamp hours tells you how much battery, how much capacity the

12:47SPEAKERbattery bucket has.

12:49SPEAKERAmps tells you how fast you can push energy toward the phone because just like, just like

12:55SPEAKERwith water, the size of the pipe and the pressure independent of each other.

13:00SPEAKERDon't tell you anything.

13:01SPEAKERRight.

13:02SPEAKERThey just tell you how much, how much theoretical capacity you have and how much water pressure

13:05SPEAKERyou have, but not how much water is full.

13:07SPEAKERLike amps is the amount of water flowing through the pipes, the gallons per minute.

13:11SPEAKERRight.

13:12SPEAKERSo in terms of USB out of the box, USB one and USB two.

13:17SPEAKERWell, okay.

13:18SPEAKERAll USB offers this cause it's all backwards compatible, but USB one and USB two offer

13:22SPEAKER2.5 Watts.

13:23SPEAKERSo five milliamps, five volts.

13:26SPEAKERThat's it.

13:27SPEAKERUSB three added some new stuff.

13:29SPEAKERSo they added higher, higher amps at five volts.

13:33SPEAKERYou can do five volts at 500 milliamps or 900 milliamps for up to 4.5 Watts.

13:39SPEAKERThe USB three came out way after the iPad, Apple had been doing some proprietary stuff.

13:43SPEAKERWe'll get to that in a minute.

13:44SPEAKERYeah.

13:45SPEAKERYeah.

13:46SPEAKERI actually have a question about the lightning connector, but I'll save it until we get there.

13:48SPEAKERThat's a, that's a whole other whole other.

13:51SPEAKERYeah.

13:52SPEAKEROkay.

13:53SPEAKERThe point is USB three was enough to charge like phones at the time kind of, but even

13:57SPEAKERby then we were getting phones that were, the batteries were too big to charge it for

14:01SPEAKERat nine amps or 4.5 Watts for more than, you know, it just wasn't fast enough.

14:07SPEAKERSo you're looking at like eight hours to charge your phone or something like that.

14:10SPEAKERAnd that's not, that's not, or charge your tablet.

14:12SPEAKERAnd that's ridiculous.

14:13SPEAKERYes.

14:14SPEAKERUSB 3.1 when they added USB-C and USB PD, which is the USB power delivery spec is when

14:22SPEAKERwe started seeing laptops that had power bricks that were USB-C power bricks.

14:26SPEAKERYeah.

14:27SPEAKERI have to say it's seeing Mac books that only have USB-C ports on them.

14:31SPEAKERAnd I guess I'm sure there are other makers out there doing the same thing now.

14:34SPEAKERIt's bonkers.

14:35SPEAKERThat was the, yes, that was a very much a, wow.

14:36SPEAKERWe have crossed the threshold.

14:38SPEAKERThis is, this is a profound future moments of this laptop has no explicit dedicated power

14:43SPEAKERport on it anymore.

14:45SPEAKERThey have a data standard now that can power a whole laptop.

14:48SPEAKERAnd like, it's funny.

14:49SPEAKERI don't know that anybody expected this to happen with USB.

14:52SPEAKERYeah.

14:53SPEAKERRight.

14:54SPEAKERLike if you think about it, when, when people launched USB, it was like, Hey, we have a,

14:56SPEAKERthis is going to replace your serial ports.

14:58SPEAKERRight.

14:59SPEAKEREverybody was thinking about it just as a data thing.

15:00SPEAKERAnd then the fact that it delivered power at the same time was just an added bonus for

15:05SPEAKERthings like, like small portable laptop drives, hard drives, storage and stuff like that.

15:11SPEAKERYeah.

15:12SPEAKERIt was, it was so like USB thumb drives could get power to work.

15:14SPEAKERSo they didn't have to have a battery on them and stuff like that.

15:16SPEAKERRight.

15:17SPEAKERSo, but, but then the EU basically said, look, everybody has to use a universal power connector

15:23SPEAKERon all the phones.

15:24SPEAKERAnd it's going to be USB.

15:25SPEAKERIt's going to be micro USB that, that kind of turned a key for USB charging.

15:31SPEAKERAnd, and some people suddenly were like, Oh, this is a thing.

15:35SPEAKERAnd this is a cable everybody has and the cables are dumb.

15:38SPEAKERSo you don't have to do anything special to make them work.

15:40SPEAKERRight.

15:41SPEAKERLet's just make this the, let's just make this the standard and it's worked out.

15:44SPEAKERHow does Apple get around that requirement?

15:46SPEAKERSo they provide a dongle in Europe that is a micro USB to lightning dongle, I think.

15:53SPEAKEROkay.

15:54SPEAKEROr maybe it's the other way.

15:55SPEAKERYeah.

15:56SPEAKERI think you plug a micro USB into a dongle that makes it a lightning adapter, lightning,

16:00SPEAKERa male lightning.

16:01SPEAKERYeah.

16:02SPEAKERSo they provide an adapter.

16:03SPEAKERGot it.

16:04SPEAKERI don't know if they have to do that anymore.

16:05SPEAKERThat's how they used to do it.

16:06SPEAKEROkay.

16:07SPEAKERSo USB 3.1, which is USB-C the, the, the flip, the cable you can flip either way.

16:11SPEAKEROh, yes.

16:12SPEAKERMaybe this is demystifying something I never understood about USB 3.1.

16:16SPEAKERIs it, is it other than the shape of the connector?

16:18SPEAKERIs it the same standard?

16:19SPEAKERIs that what you're saying?

16:20SPEAKERSo USB-C describes the physical standard USB 3.1 describes the protocol and electrical

16:25SPEAKERstandard.

16:26SPEAKEROkay.

16:27SPEAKERSo let me, let me back up my, my whole experience with 3.1 is that my motherboard has a single

16:31SPEAKER3.1 port on it.

16:32SPEAKERAnd instead of a blue port, which is what USB 3 ports typically come in, it's red.

16:36SPEAKERYeah.

16:37SPEAKERAnd is it tall too?

16:38SPEAKERNo, it's the same shape.

16:39SPEAKERIt's the same size.

16:40SPEAKERIt's backwards compatible with any old USB port or cable.

16:41SPEAKERYeah.

16:42SPEAKERBut I've never used it.

16:43SPEAKERI didn't know what special capabilities 3.1 had over 3.0, but are you saying that like

16:47SPEAKERit is essentially electrically and in terms of data, it's the same as what's going over

16:51SPEAKERUSB-C cable.

16:53SPEAKERSo USB-C cables is just a physical spec.

16:55SPEAKERRight.

16:56SPEAKERSo if you're a USB-A that has the red cable, if you plug in USB 3.1 cables, that's what

17:00SPEAKERa 3.1 cable into that and a USB 3.1 device into the other end, you should get the full

17:05SPEAKERUSB 3.1 experience.

17:06SPEAKERThey're functionally equivalent.

17:07SPEAKERThat's my understanding.

17:08SPEAKERFor the shape of the connector.

17:09SPEAKEROkay.

17:10SPEAKERThat's good to know.

17:11SPEAKEROkay.

17:12SPEAKERSo 3.1 adds five to 20 volts at 500 milliamps, 900 milliamps, 1.5 amps, three amps, and five

17:17SPEAKERamps, which gives you, if you do that math, 20 times five is equal to 100.

17:22SPEAKERSo you can power a 100 watt device.

17:24SPEAKERYeah.

17:25SPEAKERA hundred watts is a good chunk.

17:26SPEAKERThat's a lot.

17:27SPEAKERIt's like a laptop.

17:28SPEAKERIt's an ultra, most any ultrabook that doesn't have a dedicated GPU can be powered off of

17:32SPEAKERthat at this point.

17:33SPEAKERI want to say this is just a random data point, but my older MacBook, I bought an extra charger

17:39SPEAKERfor it.

17:40SPEAKERI think it's like an 84 watt charger or something like that.

17:42SPEAKERMy 13 inch MacBook Pro was a 80 watt charger.

17:46SPEAKERRight.

17:47SPEAKERSo like that is a hundred watts is absolutely in the ballpark of where laptops run.

17:50SPEAKERAnd just to be clear, like this is magic because in the old days I went on a trip one time and

17:54SPEAKERforgot my laptop charger before MacBooks and that like I had a weird Dell and I was just

18:00SPEAKERbasically boned.

18:02SPEAKERThere was no, like I could, the only way I could get a charger was to order one from

18:06SPEAKERDell.

18:07SPEAKERIt's not like I could go to Best Buy and buy a charger for some random laptop.

18:09SPEAKERForget grousing that you have to go buy an extra charger.

18:13SPEAKERYou just can't go buy an extra charger.

18:14SPEAKERYeah.

18:15SPEAKERThere's there was no option.

18:16SPEAKERNot around.

18:17SPEAKERI ended up actually posting on Twitter and a fan lonely a charger for three days, which

18:21SPEAKERwas amazing.

18:22SPEAKERNot an option that everybody has.

18:23SPEAKERI know that's not a normal, normal result, but but yeah, so this is a big deal because

18:28SPEAKERit means you can go buy like an Anker power brick and a USB-C cable and plug your ultrabook

18:32SPEAKERin and it's just going to work.

18:33SPEAKERWell, yes, but even then you still need to kind of know what you're looking for in terms

18:36SPEAKERof how much it'll put out.

18:38SPEAKERYou got to get into the specs.

18:40SPEAKERYes.

18:41SPEAKERAnd that's, that's where this is kind of rough.

18:43SPEAKERWell, I guess that's, I guess that's the idea behind USB PD is to have a standard that you

18:47SPEAKERcan say, yes, this will do everything.

18:49SPEAKERThat is the idea.

18:50SPEAKERThere, there, I think one of the early devices was the switch.

18:53SPEAKERThere's laptops that support it.

18:56SPEAKERThere's a bunch of phones that support it.

18:57SPEAKERIt's it's a neat spec because it and like power bricks and stuff like that.

19:01SPEAKERSo like battery backups and stuff like that.

19:06SPEAKERIt's neat because power goes both ways.

19:08SPEAKERI didn't realize this, but like if you plug in your phone to your co to your laptop in

19:13SPEAKERa USB-C port and your, your computer needs to draw power on the phone, I don't know if

19:20SPEAKERthat's the best idea, but sure.

19:21SPEAKERI mean, it's probably not a great idea, but, but it means that if you plug a battery backup

19:24SPEAKERin and then your GPU spins up in the laptop and it needs a little more draw than it's

19:28SPEAKERgetting from whatever other source, it can pull up from the other, from the outside.

19:32SPEAKERI did not know that.

19:35SPEAKERBecause it can provide up to a hundred Watts.

19:37SPEAKERYou don't need external wall works for like USB hard drives and stuff like that, unless,

19:42SPEAKERunless you want them.

19:43SPEAKERSo they're not pulling power from your battery the whole time, but it's nice when you're

19:45SPEAKERlike traveling and you want to plug in your external hard drive, that stuff just works.

19:49SPEAKERSo you can charge a laptop using a cable, using the same cable that you use for the

19:55SPEAKERdisplay to an external monitor.

19:58SPEAKERSo like docking station's less important now.

20:00SPEAKERI will say this is kind of tangential to this whole thing, but I really miss MagSafe and

20:04SPEAKERI wish that there were MagSafe USB-C cables.

20:07SPEAKERYou can get those.

20:08SPEAKEROh, really?

20:09SPEAKERYeah.

20:10SPEAKERSo there's a whole...

20:11SPEAKEROh, you would need an adapter, right?

20:12SPEAKERCause it's not built into the laptop anymore.

20:13SPEAKERWell, so there's, there, there are people that make, there's tons of them.

20:15SPEAKERYou can find them on Amazon.

20:16SPEAKERI'll, I'll, I'll, I'll put the link in the show notes.

20:19SPEAKERI was actually looking at some no-name ones the other day, but whenever you're looking

20:22SPEAKERat any no-name accessories that involve power are always a little bit unnerving.

20:27SPEAKERSo people use them on VR controllers for charging because like that's, that's the first place

20:33SPEAKERI saw them.

20:34SPEAKERI usually look on Amazon for reviews and I go straight to the one star reviews and see

20:38SPEAKERhow many people are complaining that these things killed their things.

20:41SPEAKERAnd if it's like 50, then that's a pass for me.

20:44SPEAKERBut if it's like one, I just assume that's probably one or two.

20:46SPEAKERThat's probably just a crank who made a mistake.

20:49SPEAKERBut yeah, so usually they're like little, it's just like the stumpy part of the connector

20:55SPEAKERthat you jam into the slot.

20:57SPEAKERAnd then there's a MagSafe type connector snaps on and breaks away.

21:02SPEAKERThe problem I have with those often is that they don't sell the dongles separately.

21:07SPEAKERSo like I have like 10 different VR controllers in my office right now.

21:12SPEAKERIt would be really nice to just buy 10 of the plugs, plug those in and then have like

21:16SPEAKERtwo cables.

21:17SPEAKERI don't need 10 cables for the, anyway, I told you, I mean, it's really nice.

21:23SPEAKERSome of those are not fast chargers though.

21:25SPEAKERSo like you have to look at the specs on the cables because if it's only a USB two cable,

21:29SPEAKERthen you're not going to get the, and, and like there's a weird situation where a lot

21:32SPEAKERof the USB-C cables are actually USB two cables with USB-C connectors.

21:40SPEAKERWhy would anybody have ever made that?

21:41SPEAKERWell, because for power transfer, it's fine.

21:44SPEAKERSo for fast charging, those work fine.

21:46SPEAKERBut for example, if you need actually a USB 3.1 throughput for the Oculus link on the

21:51SPEAKEROculus quest, you mean data throughput, then, then those won't work.

21:55SPEAKERI see.

21:56SPEAKERSo, cause everybody was like, Oh, I have a, when the, when the Oculus quest announced

22:00SPEAKERthat you could plug it into the PC and it would be a PC headset, everybody's like, Oh,

22:04SPEAKERit comes with a really long USB-C cable.

22:06SPEAKERThis is perfect.

22:07SPEAKERYou plugged it in and, and it doesn't work because it's a USB two cable.

22:10SPEAKERIt doesn't have the bandwidth.

22:11SPEAKERAnd like I've mentioned, I feel like I'm beating up on raspberry PI a little bit here, but

22:14SPEAKERthey had that issue with the first, they fixed it.

22:16SPEAKERIs it fixed?

22:17SPEAKERYeah.

22:18SPEAKERThe new versions have a full support.

22:19SPEAKERI can finally buy one of those things where I wish I had looked this up cause it's complicated,

22:25SPEAKERbut it's specifically, it's cables that have all USB-C audio capability.

22:30SPEAKERI forget what the spec is called for that.

22:31SPEAKERYeah.

22:32SPEAKERIt's called, it's like an E cable or something like that.

22:33SPEAKERDoes that bring about seems right?

22:35SPEAKEREssentially what was happening was the PI was seeing those cables as an audio device.

22:41SPEAKERAnd then like refusing to put out power because it thought it was connected to an audio, something

22:44SPEAKERalong those lines.

22:45SPEAKERI might be making a little bit, maybe it was something like that's why I mean, Oh yeah.

22:49SPEAKERYes.

22:50SPEAKERYes.

22:51SPEAKERBut point being, there are even more gradations of USB-C cables out there that don't advertise

22:55SPEAKERwhat they are.

22:56SPEAKEROh yeah.

22:57SPEAKERPhysically.

22:58SPEAKERIt's a nightmare.

22:59SPEAKERLike you could have a stack of cables and they could all have different capabilities

23:00SPEAKERand limitations and you could not know what any of them are.

23:03SPEAKERDo you label your cables?

23:04SPEAKERNo.

23:05SPEAKERSo I usually just haven't really had a need to because USB three is good enough about

23:09SPEAKERnot being blue that you could kind of tell.

23:11SPEAKERWell, that's true.

23:12SPEAKERAnd I don't have enough USB-C cables yet.

23:13SPEAKERI have like one.

23:14SPEAKEROh, so I don't have a lot of need for it.

23:16SPEAKERSo I have one that came with my external GPU dock.

23:20SPEAKERThat's like a foot long.

23:21SPEAKERCause that's how long they could be.

23:22SPEAKERWhen I bought that external GPU.

23:23SPEAKERYou have one of those.

23:24SPEAKERYeah.

23:25SPEAKEROh, I've always been fast.

23:26SPEAKERI'm sorry.

23:27SPEAKERExternal external GPU dock.

23:28SPEAKERLike you're talking about like I have a box.

23:29SPEAKERI've been fascinated with that concept since Thunderbolt came about 10 years ago and it's

23:36SPEAKERfine.

23:37SPEAKERIs it not as great as you think?

23:38SPEAKERThe problem is that the, in order to hold like a real GPU, they have to be huge.

23:43SPEAKERYeah.

23:44SPEAKERSo like I don't fans and stuff.

23:45SPEAKERYeah.

23:46SPEAKERI don't have a carry on that's big enough to carry it onto the plane.

23:48SPEAKERWell, I don't think most people are going to travel with.

23:50SPEAKERObviously you have a use case for this case.

23:53SPEAKERYeah.

23:54SPEAKERLike the cool use case to me.

23:55SPEAKERAnd this turned out to maybe not be the best idea because laptops CPUs are usually pretty

23:59SPEAKERweak, but I always thought it would be a cool idea to just have a laptop and this external

24:03SPEAKERGPU that you plug into at home to play games on.

24:05SPEAKERI have that.

24:06SPEAKERRight.

24:07SPEAKERAnd in practice, that's not as cool as while we're talking about this stuff.

24:10SPEAKERIt's better than not having a laptop that can play games, but it's not, it's not ideal.

24:14SPEAKERIt's not a desktop replacement.

24:15SPEAKERIt does make the laptop a lot quieter though.

24:17SPEAKERCause it turns off the GPU in the laptop.

24:19SPEAKERInteresting.

24:20SPEAKERSo like all the, the, the, the massive cooling apparatus in the laptop has to cool as the

24:24SPEAKERCPU at that point.

24:25SPEAKERAnd it's much more manageable.

24:26SPEAKERIt's cool if they make that, even if it's not at all that I thought it would be cracked

24:29SPEAKERup to be.

24:30SPEAKERYeah.

24:31SPEAKERIt's a neat, it's a neat thing.

24:32SPEAKERI got the GPU dock for free when I bought the laptop.

24:34SPEAKERSo like it wasn't.

24:35SPEAKERThat's cool.

24:36SPEAKERAll right.

24:37SPEAKERLast question, since we're just talking about random stuff here about lightning cables that

24:40SPEAKERI mentioned earlier.

24:41SPEAKERYeah.

24:42SPEAKERWhy are those still limited to USB 2?

24:43SPEAKERBecause isn't lightning configurable on the lightning end?

24:46SPEAKERThat is, I have no idea.

24:48SPEAKERI didn't look at that.

24:49SPEAKERI didn't, I didn't actually get into that.

24:50SPEAKERI assume that that's because Apple is just using them for power at this point.

24:53SPEAKERYeah.

24:54SPEAKERLike, like I think, I think you're in, I mean, my guess is that their data shows that nobody

25:01SPEAKERtransfers data over lightning cables anymore.

25:04SPEAKEROkay.

25:05SPEAKERI do.

25:06SPEAKERYeah.

25:07SPEAKERDo you back up?

25:08SPEAKERI put music on there.

25:09SPEAKERWow.

25:10SPEAKERYes.

25:11SPEAKERI know.

25:12SPEAKEROld man Brad is at it again.

25:13SPEAKERI know.

25:14SPEAKERI'm going to ask you about monitors at the end of the show.

25:15SPEAKERYeah.

25:16SPEAKERI mean, I, I, well, I don't know if I want to get into it.

25:18SPEAKERI found an app that plays, I guess, chiptunes is the best, like dumps of, of console music

25:24SPEAKERfor like SNES, Genesis, NES roms, like those formats.

25:27SPEAKERLike you can just load the roms up and it plays the music from them?

25:29SPEAKERWell, you don't even need the full roms because people just dump the music from them, which

25:33SPEAKERis a fraction of the size.

25:34SPEAKERIs it like a MIDI or something?

25:35SPEAKERIt's, it's, it's the same concept as a MIDI.

25:36SPEAKERIn fact, the player I'm using right now also supports general MIDI.

25:40SPEAKERSo I've got, this is, so does it have like a MIDI, maybe embarrassing to admit, but I

25:44SPEAKERhave like the doom soundtracks and MIDI on my phone and like I have the entire library

25:49SPEAKERof like NES and Genesis and super Nintendo music and like, it all takes up like tens

25:54SPEAKERof megabytes because they're all like, every game is like 500 K. So, so hold on, it's like

25:58SPEAKERreal time synthesizing the music, but the, the, the, the, the little, the little dinky

26:01SPEAKERlittle app I'm using to do that needs to, you have to transfer, Oh, actually they take

26:04SPEAKERthat back.

26:05SPEAKEREven that thing has an FTP server built into it.

26:07SPEAKERSo even, even there, you don't have to transfer it to you.

26:10SPEAKERCan you like, does it model the, the sound chips on the consoles?

26:15SPEAKERRight?

26:16SPEAKERYeah.

26:17SPEAKERReally?

26:18SPEAKERWell, you know, I'm sure you could probably put the wave forms next to each other and

26:19SPEAKERpick out tiny differences, but, but as far as I can tell, it's, it's pretty accurate.

26:23SPEAKERMike Mica would be like, this, this, this was a C sharp and this should be in a C flat.

26:27SPEAKERI'm out.

26:28SPEAKERYeah.

26:29SPEAKERThis is a mellow phone, not a mellow.

26:30SPEAKERYeah.

26:31SPEAKERBut it's close enough.

26:32SPEAKERIt works pretty well.

26:33SPEAKERAnyway, back to the exciting business of USB chargers, literally tens of people interested

26:39SPEAKERin this topic.

26:40SPEAKERI'm sure.

26:41SPEAKERUh, I thought this was like, just to be clear, we talked about this and I was like, this

26:44SPEAKERis, this seems really boring and then I got into it and it's like, it is surprisingly

26:48SPEAKERcomplicated.

26:49SPEAKERBut the sexy stuff comes with the contactless charging in a minute.

26:52SPEAKERYes.

26:53SPEAKERThe number of stuff is, uh, it's easy to get lost in the weeds, but when you get into the

26:55SPEAKERpractical lessons of like, here's which cables you can use with what, and here's how fast

26:59SPEAKERthey go and stuff.

27:00SPEAKERThose are good things to know.

27:01SPEAKERSo, okay, there's some proprietary specs too, that happened, I think mostly because USB

27:07SPEAKERwas like, the USB moves slow.

27:10SPEAKERSo it takes a while in terms of the consortium, in terms of decision-making well, in terms

27:15SPEAKERof the consortium and in terms of like rolling out products, because once the specs are ratified,

27:19SPEAKERit takes you like years for products to come out.

27:21SPEAKERRight?

27:22SPEAKERWell, the products come out pretty fast, but it takes years for the products to get in

27:24SPEAKERthe market.

27:25SPEAKERSo like you think about from the time USB three was announced to the time you had all

27:28SPEAKERUSB three devices at your house was like five years probably.

27:31SPEAKERYeah.

27:32SPEAKERUm, it's so, uh, Qualcomm for phones that use Qualcomm chip sets, there's this thing

27:37SPEAKERcalled quick charge Qualcomm quick charge.

27:40SPEAKERThere's four or five versions of that now.

27:43SPEAKERUm, basically Qualcomm quick charge 3.0, which is the, the, I think the important one, uh,

27:50SPEAKERgoes up to 36 Watts.

27:51SPEAKERSo it's like a third of USB 3.1, um, and that's probably going to be the majority of Android

27:57SPEAKERphones, right?

27:58SPEAKEROr at least a huge chunk.

27:59SPEAKERIt's Samsung.

28:00SPEAKEROkay.

28:01SPEAKERIt's not Google.

28:02SPEAKEROkay.

28:03SPEAKERSo everybody that uses a Qualcomm chip shots, chip set can, I believe use that.

28:07SPEAKERBasically the newer versions Qualcomm quick charge four and four plus are basically just

28:12SPEAKERUSB PD, uh, with a little bit of a Qualcomm implementation layer on top of them.

28:17SPEAKERThey also, the quick Qualcomm quick charge shows up in weird places.

28:21SPEAKERLike my vibe wireless kit uses a battery pack.

28:23SPEAKERThat's a Qualcomm quick charge three battery pack.

28:26SPEAKERSo if you're, if you're vibe wireless battery pack dies, you don't have to buy the $80 one

28:29SPEAKERfrom HTC.

28:30SPEAKERYou can buy a $30 one from monker.

28:32SPEAKERUm, that's, that's pretty much it.

28:35SPEAKERUh, Apple has its own thing for fast charging for iPhone, which started with the iPhone

28:39SPEAKEReight, the 10 and everything newer, even know that and it delivers 29, 61 or 87 wise, depending

28:45SPEAKERon which brick you're using.

28:46SPEAKERI don't know anybody that has an 87 watt Mac book brick cause it's the big Mac book.

28:50SPEAKEROkay.

28:51SPEAKERBut I assume that if you plug an iPhone into that, it's going to charge in like 60 seconds.

28:55SPEAKERThat's amazing.

28:56SPEAKERI bet it gets real warm.

28:57SPEAKERYeah.

28:58SPEAKERI mean, yeah, but even that that's even that's not enough to damage the thing.

29:02SPEAKERThe phone's not going to take the phone is not going to let the charger give it more

29:05SPEAKERthan it can take.

29:06SPEAKERIt knows what it can handle.

29:07SPEAKERThat's exactly it.

29:08SPEAKEROkay.

29:09SPEAKERAnd then the switch is another example of its own weird thing.

29:12SPEAKERIt is on paper, kind of a USB PD implementation.

29:17SPEAKERUm, it can charge at either seven Watts with any USB C brick, which just to be clear, not

29:23SPEAKERfast enough to charge it while you're playing games.

29:25SPEAKERUm, that will stem the bleeding of, of your battery though.

29:29SPEAKERRight?

29:30SPEAKERLike it'll slow down.

29:31SPEAKERYou'll at least get more time out of it.

29:32SPEAKERYeah.

29:33SPEAKERAnd, and, and, um, it'll charge at 39 Watts.

29:36SPEAKERIf you plug it into the official connector, you have to have 39 Watts for the doctor work.

29:41SPEAKERYeah.

29:42SPEAKERThe doc doesn't work with less than that.

29:43SPEAKERYes.

29:44SPEAKERUm, switch is definitely the most dramatic, I think, real world example of this stuff

29:48SPEAKERbeing complicated because you have that huge wave of people frying their switches with

29:52SPEAKERthird party docs.

29:53SPEAKERWell, that was to do, I think right too.

29:55SPEAKERRight.

29:56SPEAKERI wasn't charging.

29:57SPEAKERI'm not sure that it was ever actually deduced exactly what was, what was killing the switches.

30:02SPEAKERI've never gotten video out of a switch other than using the official doc.

30:05SPEAKERIt is maddening.

30:06SPEAKERMy understanding is it's video output is also super nonstandard.

30:10SPEAKERThat makes sense.

30:11SPEAKERWhich, uh, it's kind of Nintendo's thing.

30:13SPEAKERUm, I know that there are battery backups that you can use with the switch that will

30:18SPEAKERcharge at the 39 Watts.

30:20SPEAKERUh, there's, there's a, a product I've had my eye on for a while.

30:23SPEAKERThat's not out yet called the Genki covert doc.

30:26SPEAKERIt was kick-started.

30:27SPEAKERIt's sneaky.

30:28SPEAKERYes.

30:29SPEAKERIt's, uh, I think they're close to, they might, I think they're maybe starting to ship it

30:32SPEAKERto the earliest backers right now, but it's a little power brick.

30:37SPEAKERYeah.

30:38SPEAKERUh, probably the size of like your iPad charger or a little bit bigger that has a USB-C port,

30:42SPEAKERa USB three, a USB, a 3.0 port and a, an HDMI port.

30:47SPEAKEROoh.

30:48SPEAKERIt comes as a switch doc in addition to being a charger for, for all of those ports and

30:52SPEAKERit can do video out.

30:53SPEAKERYes.

30:54SPEAKERSo like you would plug your switch in with USB-C.

30:57SPEAKERIt's literally just a wall plug.

30:58SPEAKERLike I said, it's tiny and it purports to be a fully functional video out switch doc.

31:02SPEAKERThis sounds fabulous.

31:03SPEAKERI am super excited.

31:04SPEAKERI really want to try it out when it's actually ready to go.

31:07SPEAKERI literally spent 80 bucks.

31:09SPEAKERSo on a second switch doc, so I could stream switch games without having to move my doc

31:13SPEAKERback and forth price, but it's so tiny and it will function as a charger for all your

31:17SPEAKERother devices in your bag.

31:19SPEAKERYeah.

31:20SPEAKERLike you literally make it your power brick that you roll around with and it also just

31:22SPEAKERhappens to be a functional switch doc.

31:24SPEAKERThey claim they have fully done their homework on all the switch power and video standard

31:28SPEAKERstuff and that it will be totally safe to use.

31:31SPEAKERThat's awesome.

31:32SPEAKERWe will see.

31:33SPEAKERYeah.

31:34SPEAKERSee how many switches they kill.

31:35SPEAKERThat remains to be seen.

31:36SPEAKERYeah.

31:37SPEAKERBut would you, would you use your switch on that?

31:38SPEAKEROh, probably.

31:39SPEAKERShould be the first switch to plug in.

31:40SPEAKERYeah.

31:41SPEAKERKeep it on.

31:42SPEAKERThat's why, that's why I'm keeping an eye on.

31:43SPEAKERWatch this space.

31:44SPEAKEREarly backers getting their hands on it, but I would love to, I want to try that thing

31:46SPEAKERout.

31:47SPEAKERYeah.

31:48SPEAKERYou know, the one thing I wasn't able to find out is if the Switch Lite uses a different

31:50SPEAKERpower since it's newer hardware, if it uses a more, more standard power implementation,

31:55SPEAKERcause there's no, there's no video out on the USB-C for the Switch Lite as I understand

31:59SPEAKERit.

32:00SPEAKERThat's right.

32:01SPEAKERSo they took that hardware out.

32:02SPEAKERYeah.

32:03SPEAKERPresumably it should be simpler, but I don't know.

32:05SPEAKERAnd that's it.

32:06SPEAKERSo if there's one key takeaway from everything we just talked about in terms of just straight

32:10SPEAKERup best practices, what would you say?

32:11SPEAKERYou want some actionable information that people can apply to their life?

32:14SPEAKERPeople like action items.

32:15SPEAKEROkay.

32:16SPEAKERSo if you want to know how to charge your, your business, the fastest, go look up your

32:22SPEAKERdevice, find out which version of USB or Samsung Qualcomm quick charge it supports and then

32:29SPEAKERbuy bricks that support that standard.

32:31SPEAKEROkay.

32:32SPEAKERAnd if you do that and your cables are right and you plug them in, it will charge the fastest

32:36SPEAKERit can.

32:37SPEAKEROkay.

32:38SPEAKERIt's never as clean as you would like.

32:39SPEAKERIt's never, they don't have like cute branded ways for you to tell what that stuff is.

32:42SPEAKERYou're still going to have to eyeball capacities and output and stuff like that.

32:45SPEAKERNo, you shouldn't.

32:46SPEAKERSo if you, so like if your device supports USB three power, just a delivery PD or Qualcomm

32:52SPEAKERquick charge, or if you buy Apple stuff, get devices that just support that stuff and chargers

32:57SPEAKERand you should be good.

32:58SPEAKERAnd now there are power bricks on the market, like power, like battery backups and power

33:01SPEAKERchargers and stuff like that from people like Anker and third parties that literally support

33:05SPEAKEReverything.

33:06SPEAKERSo like there's an Anker brick that supports Qualcomm quick charge for USB PD.

33:12SPEAKERBut I think it even fast charges the switch, but I'm not sure about that people, people,

33:16SPEAKERit seems like when I looked at those pages on Amazon, it looked like maybe at some point

33:21SPEAKERthey said it would charge the switch on the product description because there's questions

33:23SPEAKERabout it in the comments and the reviews and, but I couldn't find any mention of the switch

33:28SPEAKERon the page.

33:29SPEAKERSo maybe there was some sort of firmware update or something on the switch that jacked up

33:31SPEAKERtheir support for that, but yeah.

33:33SPEAKERSo if you get the highest spec for everything, your stuff should just work and that's, that's

33:37SPEAKERpretty actionable.

33:38SPEAKERThat's better than it used to be.

33:39SPEAKERBut you know, some things are never easy and sometimes it's nice to layer another level

33:43SPEAKERof complexity on top of an already complicated task in, in ironically, in pursuit of convenience.

33:49SPEAKERSometimes convenience is better than speed.

33:51SPEAKERYou can have a good, faster, cheap, convenient, faster, cheap, which is pick two.

33:55SPEAKERAre we talking about wireless charging?

33:57SPEAKERLet's talk about wireless charging.

33:58SPEAKEROkay.

33:59SPEAKERCause like you, when they announced this, I was like, this is dumb.

34:01SPEAKERI don't need this.

34:02SPEAKERI can plug in a cord.

34:03SPEAKERYeah.

34:04SPEAKERI mean, I never thought it was dumb.

34:05SPEAKERI just didn't think it was something I would care about.

34:06SPEAKERI didn't care.

34:07SPEAKERI actively thought it was silly.

34:08SPEAKERI was like, this is the, this is really incredibly lazy.

34:11SPEAKERAnd then I went to a conference and one of the chach things in the bag was one of those

34:15SPEAKERAnker tilted contactless chargers.

34:19SPEAKERIt's like a phone stand.

34:20SPEAKERYes.

34:21SPEAKERI own, I bought two of those.

34:22SPEAKERThose things are the business.

34:23SPEAKERThey're super cheap.

34:24SPEAKERThey're like 15 bucks.

34:25SPEAKERThey don't come with chargers.

34:26SPEAKERYou do have to supply your own brick.

34:27SPEAKERBut we all have bricks.

34:28SPEAKERBut you can also, there are plenty of like Samsung and they're 30 to $40 ones on the

34:32SPEAKERmarket that do have bricks.

34:33SPEAKERLook, I'm going to tell you what you should buy.

34:35SPEAKEREveryone should have on their desk, like a six port USB charger.

34:38SPEAKEROkay.

34:39SPEAKERBecause like a, like a, like the Anker has ones that have a cable that drops down and

34:43SPEAKERit's just like a rectangle rectangular box that has just like six USB ports and maybe

34:47SPEAKERone C port on the front.

34:49SPEAKERSo yeah, everybody should have a USB, a multi-port USB charger on their desk.

34:53SPEAKERThey cost like 25 or 30 bucks.

34:56SPEAKERGood to have.

34:57SPEAKERThey charge all of your devices when you need to plug in like your PlayStation controller

34:59SPEAKERor your wireless mouse or whatever, it will talk to the mouse and it will know, Hey, I

35:05SPEAKERcan charge faster than anything else.

35:07SPEAKERSo the multi, this is one of those places where the off-brand like the, the, the third

35:11SPEAKERparty ones are better because the third party ones support everything.

35:14SPEAKERWhereas the charger you get from Samsung is just going to support Samsung.

35:18SPEAKERSure.

35:19SPEAKERSure.

35:20SPEAKERThe charger you get from Apple probably only talks to Apple stuff.

35:21SPEAKERI like Anker.

35:22SPEAKERI like Anker.

35:23SPEAKERGenerally trustworthy.

35:24SPEAKERAnker is the one I have not been burned by Anker and like the Anker USB cables I bought

35:28SPEAKERhave been unbelievably reliable.

35:31SPEAKERJust to be clear, we'd have zero relationship with these companies.

35:33SPEAKERWe're just talking about our experiences here.

35:35SPEAKERI'll put links in, they might have affiliate links.

35:37SPEAKERI tend to lean toward their stuff.

35:40SPEAKERI think I've got a, what is it called?

35:41SPEAKERRav Power is another fairly common brand.

35:43SPEAKERI've got one of their bricks and it seems pretty good too.

35:46SPEAKERLike, again, there are so many kind of no name or gray market ish power accessories

35:50SPEAKERon Amazon these days that some of it is a little bit frightening.

35:52SPEAKERSo I don't, I think those two seem pretty trustworthy.

35:55SPEAKERThose are both legitimate companies.

35:56SPEAKERI think I don't buy generic power bricks just because I fix it a few years ago, did a breakdown

36:03SPEAKERof like a knockoff Apple power adapter and a real Apple power adapter.

36:07SPEAKERAnd they're like, okay, here are the six ways that this would never pass UL testing.

36:12SPEAKERGreat.

36:13SPEAKERAnd like that made me squeamish about buying stuff that's not UL certified and all of the,

36:17SPEAKERlike if it's a real vendor, there'll be UL certified.

36:19SPEAKERWhere electricity is involved, it's not worth saving the three to five bucks.

36:22SPEAKERDon't burn your house down to save a dollar.

36:26SPEAKERWireless chargers are neat.

36:27SPEAKERThey use this technology called inductive charging, which if you ever had a Sonicare

36:32SPEAKERtoothbrush in the nineties, they use the, you know, it's a contactless charger.

36:36SPEAKERIt's been around that long.

36:37SPEAKERIt's been around for a long time, but those things were essentially coming in actual physical

36:40SPEAKERcontact.

36:41SPEAKERI mean, they still come in physical contact, but now you're going through phone cases and

36:44SPEAKERstuff like that.

36:45SPEAKERLike there, there's a little bit of separation there.

36:47SPEAKERSo I wasn't thinking, you know, we're going to get into this, but inductive charging is

36:50SPEAKERsubject to the inverse square law, do you know what the inverse square law is?

36:54SPEAKERTotally.

36:55SPEAKERYeah.

36:56SPEAKERI recite it to myself every morning.

36:57SPEAKERThat's a good idea.

36:58SPEAKERIn case, in case the idea of the inverse square law is that with radiated energy, whether

37:05SPEAKERit's sound or a magnetic field or light or whatever, the amount of power you can deliver

37:11SPEAKERis inversely proportional to the square of the distance that you're delivering the power.

37:16SPEAKERSo that means that it, you know, no centimeters, you deliver a hundred percent of the power

37:20SPEAKERat two centimeters, you deliver one quarter of the power that you do at one centimeter

37:24SPEAKERat 10 centimeters, you deliver one, one hundredth of the power that you do at one centimeter.

37:29SPEAKERAccurate to say there's an exponential fall-off.

37:31SPEAKERThat is exactly what that means.

37:33SPEAKERAs distance increases.

37:34SPEAKERAs distance increases, the amount of power decreases exponentially.

37:37SPEAKERYes.

37:38SPEAKERSo basically you want these things to be close.

37:41SPEAKERAnd that's, and to be, to clarify what you, the law that you just laid out, that's through

37:46SPEAKERthe air, right?

37:47SPEAKERThat is that, that wouldn't take into account going through physical objects, like a wire,

37:52SPEAKERfor example, conducts electricity better than is a direct connection.

37:56SPEAKERSo that, that I'm talking in the context of wireless charging.

37:59SPEAKEROh, the reason I ask is, the reason I ask is I've seen YouTube videos out there of people

38:02SPEAKERtesting like, Oh, I want to try to install this charger through my wooden desktop surface.

38:06SPEAKERLike what I mean is like that stuff is surely is going to further interfere with that output,

38:11SPEAKERright?

38:12SPEAKERIt depends.

38:13SPEAKERSo like there's a lot of stuff that's EM transmissive.

38:14SPEAKERSo if you're talking about a wood desk in a magnetic field, those, unless the desk is

38:18SPEAKERreally wet wood, those aren't going to interfere with each other very much.

38:21SPEAKEROkay.

38:22SPEAKERCause Vinny sent me a link to a YouTube video of a guy who's basically like a woodworking

38:26SPEAKERYouTuber, but he was building himself a desk and he did an experiment where he got underneath

38:31SPEAKERthis thick wooden desktop that he built and drilled a big circular cutout and installed

38:37SPEAKERone of these things right up under the veneer, but he had to get, I forget what it turned

38:40SPEAKERout to be, but he had to keep shaving and shaving and shaving more wood off until he

38:44SPEAKERfinally got down to, I think it was a few millimeters before, before the power would

38:49SPEAKERactually charge through the wood.

38:50SPEAKERSo most of these inductive charging mats, like the Anker one that we were talking about

38:55SPEAKERbefore, the flat one that's on my, on my nightstand work at most four centimeters away from the

39:00SPEAKERobject.

39:01SPEAKERAnd like that, that's the theoretical maximum in reality, the phone has to be on there.

39:06SPEAKERAnd if the, if, for example, if you have a magnetic phone holder in your car, so there's

39:10SPEAKERa Ferris disc glued on the back of your phone, that's going to prevent the inductive charger

39:14SPEAKERfrom working if you put it in the wrong place.

39:17SPEAKERSo yeah, basically, basically this is why, this is why there's not, this is why you don't

39:22SPEAKERjust plug something into the wall that powers all the devices in your house constantly.

39:25SPEAKERRight.

39:26SPEAKERIs because when you get five feet away from it, you're getting a thousandth of the fraction,

39:29SPEAKERyou know, a millionth of the power delivered to that.

39:32SPEAKERSo unless it's a really, really low current draw on the device, which we'll talk about

39:36SPEAKERin a little bit.

39:37SPEAKEROr you have centuries to wait for your device to charge.

39:39SPEAKEROr you use your device once every 10 years, then yeah.

39:43SPEAKERIt's like, you have to be close to it.

39:46SPEAKERYeah.

39:47SPEAKERSo these use resident inductive coupling.

39:50SPEAKERBasically what that means, it's the same thing that makes the delivers power to RFC, RFID

39:54SPEAKERand NFC tags so that they can work without having batteries on them.

39:58SPEAKERAnd you have one coil that generates a magnetic field and another coil that resonates at the

40:02SPEAKERsame frequency as that magnetic field.

40:04SPEAKERAnd that basically that magnetic field stimulates electrons to move through the wires.

40:09SPEAKERSo you get a small amount of power.

40:11SPEAKERCreating a funnel for electrons to move through kind of, or a channel.

40:14SPEAKERYou're convincing the electrons to do what you want using magnets.

40:18SPEAKERHow do they work?

40:19SPEAKERI asked ICP.

40:20SPEAKERI don't know.

40:21SPEAKERYeah.

40:22SPEAKEREfficiency is pretty good.

40:23SPEAKERAssuming you're close range, it's like 80% for a resident magnetic, magnetic conduction.

40:26SPEAKERAnd there's a bunch of standards that support this.

40:28SPEAKERThere's really only one that matters in the world today.

40:30SPEAKERIt seems like.

40:31SPEAKERChi.

40:32SPEAKERChi.

40:33SPEAKERYeah.

40:34SPEAKERThis is an open standard by the wireless power consortium.

40:36SPEAKERYou can charge, like I said, it up distances up to four centimeters from the, between the

40:39SPEAKERcoils, not between like necessarily the pad and the, you know, if you have like a charging

40:43SPEAKERpad and you have a phone case and then the coils are inside the phone, the receiver coils

40:48SPEAKERare inside the phone.

40:49SPEAKERLike that counts.

40:50SPEAKERIt's, it's coil to coil, not device to device.

40:52SPEAKERRight.

40:53SPEAKERWe should, we should mention upfront that that's spelled Q I Q I if you're looking to

40:56SPEAKERmake sure your thing supports it, it's a, it's a, it's a Chinese name that I don't remember

41:01SPEAKERwhat it means.

41:02SPEAKERI think it's kind of the energy.

41:03SPEAKERYeah.

41:04SPEAKERThat makes sense.

41:06SPEAKERInner energy kind of thing like, like your, your inward spirit inner force.

41:10SPEAKEROkay.

41:11SPEAKERIn reality, that means you have to put the phone exactly on the right spot on the pad.

41:15SPEAKERThis is why I like the stand that you and I have, because you can't mess that up because

41:19SPEAKERyou just rest the phone on the stand and it's in exactly the right spots.

41:22SPEAKERWhereas with the pads, you have to kind of like, if you, if you don't have the set, the

41:27SPEAKERpart of the phone that has the coil in it on the right part of the pad, then sometimes

41:30SPEAKERyou'll wake up in your phone batteries like, Oh, I have 8% battery life left.

41:33SPEAKERBecause, because you didn't align the coil properly with the phone, I learned about this

41:37SPEAKERstuff just on the wire cutter.

41:38SPEAKERLike they've got a pretty decent breakdown of like kind of what some of the better pads

41:42SPEAKERare and why, and that's something they explain a lot is like, Oh, this one, the coils are

41:46SPEAKERnot centered well, so you are going to have a harder time getting the phone to line up

41:50SPEAKERto make sure it works.

41:51SPEAKERWell, or like a lot of the early ones didn't have an indicator on the pad that told you

41:54SPEAKERwhen it was in the right spot.

41:56SPEAKERSo now like the, the, I had a Samsung pad that had an annoying, or sometimes they have

42:01SPEAKERthe indicators too annoying.

42:02SPEAKERLike I had a Samsung pad that I gave to somebody because it had a blue ring around the bottom

42:07SPEAKERof it lit up the whole nightstand.

42:08SPEAKERI almost bought one of those until I saw people saying this thing is like a blinding nightlight

42:11SPEAKERis bright blue and nightmarish.

42:13SPEAKERSo yeah, you want an indicator that tells you when it's in the right spot.

42:17SPEAKERYour phone will obviously beep and say, Hey, I'm charging too.

42:20SPEAKERBut sometimes that's a little fiddly.

42:22SPEAKERThe challenge with these is they don't charge at like the full USB PD rates.

42:28SPEAKERSo you'll get at most a 36 Watts, which is pretty good.

42:33SPEAKERLike it's good enough for a phone.

42:34SPEAKERYou're not going to charge like a laptop with that probably right now most of them are closer

42:39SPEAKERto 15 or nine Watts, even like the, like the stand that you and I have is a nine watt charger.

42:44SPEAKERIt turns out that's fine because you're leaving your phone on it.

42:47SPEAKERMost of the day.

42:48SPEAKERYes.

42:49SPEAKERFor, for sort of passive phone use.

42:50SPEAKERIt's totally fine.

42:51SPEAKERLike I said, that's why I keep a cord around just in case if I need a ton of power very

42:56SPEAKERquickly.

42:57SPEAKERYeah.

42:58SPEAKERBut if it's just something where you're going to leave your phone resting all day, anyway,

43:00SPEAKERit's totally fine.

43:01SPEAKERAnd with the latest iOS update, I don't, I assume Android does the same, but I haven't

43:05SPEAKERused an Android phone that has this it, it, your phone looks at how you use the battery.

43:12SPEAKERAnd if like, I spend most of my day sitting at my desk and then I go in the living room,

43:15SPEAKERuse the phone for a couple of hours.

43:16SPEAKERThen I go back to my desk, put the phone back on the charger.

43:18SPEAKERIt knows not to top it up above 80% except for certain days when I'm one of my schedules

43:24SPEAKERpredictable.

43:25SPEAKERYeah.

43:26SPEAKERIt's really, I have to say like I bought two of these, one for work and one for home.

43:29SPEAKERYeah.

43:30SPEAKERAnd it's totally simplified how I use and charge my phone.

43:32SPEAKERLike I just kind of by and large, unless it's a weird special case, I just don't think about

43:37SPEAKERcharging my phone anymore.

43:38SPEAKERIt is.

43:39SPEAKERIt is.

43:40SPEAKERThere's no anxiety about that anymore.

43:41SPEAKERWhen I, when I leave the house for work in the morning and when I leave work to come

43:43SPEAKERhome every night, the phone is typically at a hundred percent because it just sits on

43:46SPEAKERthe charger.

43:47SPEAKERIt means that I don't think about doing like if I'm going someplace, it means I don't think

43:51SPEAKERabout eating my battery.

43:54SPEAKERLike I I'll play a game that I know is going to crush my battery because I know that I'm

43:57SPEAKERgoing to be in the bus for an hour and I'll have a charger where I'm going.

44:00SPEAKERYes.

44:01SPEAKERIt's pretty awesome.

44:02SPEAKERIt's very good.

44:03SPEAKERThere was another one of these that started out almost 10 years ago now called the power

44:06SPEAKERmatters Alliance.

44:08SPEAKERIt's dead.

44:09SPEAKERSounds like power didn't matter so much rip this remember at Starbucks, when you'd go

44:15SPEAKERto Starbucks and they'd have circles on the table, you could put your phone on and it

44:17SPEAKERwould not charge because nobody's phone supported it.

44:19SPEAKERI never saw that.

44:20SPEAKERHuh?

44:21SPEAKERYeah.

44:22SPEAKERThey did that for a while.

44:23SPEAKEROkay.

44:24SPEAKERThey cut a bunch of holes in Starbucks tables and you know, anyway,

44:26SPEAKERBut they have not come back around and done that with cheese.

44:28SPEAKERThe one that everybody actually has some in cafes that have cheap ads on the tables school,

44:33SPEAKERbut not, I don't know if Starbucks does that.

44:35SPEAKERYeah.

44:36SPEAKERThis got rolled up in the Alliance for wireless power.

44:38SPEAKERSo the power matters Alliance got rolled up into the Alliance for wireless power.

44:41SPEAKERGreat.

44:42SPEAKERLike just to be clear, there is probably the most boring documentary in the world about

44:46SPEAKERhow these standards companies, like what the way the, the life cycle of one of these companies

44:50SPEAKERthat comes up with some new wireless charging technology is that somebody at MIT comes up

44:55SPEAKERwith a, does a dissertation and it's some revolutionary technology.

44:59SPEAKERThey start a company, the company raises a little bit of money, can't productize it fast

45:04SPEAKERenough.

45:05SPEAKERThe patents get scooped up by one of the big endemic chip companies and then get rolled

45:09SPEAKERinto one of these power consortiums.

45:12SPEAKERAnd then the consortiums merge and then parts split off into other, other applications.

45:17SPEAKERAnd then those parts merge with other pieces and they all have basically the same name.

45:21SPEAKERIt's all, all of the names are something with Alliance and wireless and power.

45:26SPEAKERLike the power matters Alliance, the Alliance for wireless power, the power, the wireless

45:30SPEAKERpower consortium.

45:31SPEAKERIt's ridiculous.

45:32SPEAKEROkay.

45:33SPEAKERSo the wireless, the Alliance for wireless power ended up going on to do this thing called

45:37SPEAKERair fuel.

45:38SPEAKERI think this is right.

45:39SPEAKERI apologize if I get this wrong.

45:41SPEAKERThis is a next gen standard air fuel is to do longer range charging.

45:45SPEAKERAnd this seemed like snake oil for a long time, but they use radio frequency instead

45:48SPEAKERof magnetic fields and the, their products in the market as of I think CES this year

45:55SPEAKERin terms of hearing aids.

45:56SPEAKERSo if you think about a always on low power usage, you know, hearing aids usually use

46:01SPEAKERlittle tiny itsy bitsy batteries, like, you know, smaller than your, the tip of your fingernail.

46:07SPEAKERAnd you put a, you put a doober in one of your wall in your wall plugs, it's a technical

46:12SPEAKERterm and it's going to beam radio power to your hearing aids.

46:18SPEAKERWhen you're in your house.

46:19SPEAKERSo theoretically you shouldn't have to change your hearing aid batteries very often.

46:22SPEAKERInteresting.

46:23SPEAKERSo they're rechargeable hearing aids, which is interesting conceptually while you're wearing

46:26SPEAKERwhile you're wearing them.

46:27SPEAKERWow.

46:28SPEAKERThat's does it while it's in your brain.

46:29SPEAKERWild.

46:30SPEAKERYeah.

46:31SPEAKERAnd a little frightening, but it's fine.

46:32SPEAKERRight.

46:33SPEAKERRF is fine.

46:34SPEAKERWe have many, many, many longitudinal studies that say long-term exposure to radio frequency

46:37SPEAKERis fine.

46:38SPEAKERPlus 7 billion people have been inundated by radio frequency for the last a hundred

46:42SPEAKERyears.

46:43SPEAKERYeah.

46:44SPEAKERAnyway, there are problems with government regulation on that because of the frequencies

46:47SPEAKERthey use are not necessarily unregulated.

46:49SPEAKERSo it's not in the, it's not in the 2.4, you know, it's not in the public publicly available

46:54SPEAKERspectrum parts that are necessarily accessible to everybody.

46:59SPEAKERAnd like you could theoretically do something like use microwaves to transmit a massive

47:02SPEAKERamount of power or really long way.

47:04SPEAKERCause we do that, but any water that gets in that beam is going to bad things are going

47:08SPEAKERto happen to it.

47:09SPEAKERIt's going to get real hot.

47:10SPEAKERYeah.

47:11SPEAKERThere's another version of Chi on the way.

47:13SPEAKERHave there been straight up military applications, at least maybe that haven't gotten out of

47:18SPEAKERR and D, but like, I don't know about that.

47:20SPEAKERI feel like I've read for a long time about potential military uses of focused microwave

47:25SPEAKERmicrowave beams.

47:26SPEAKERI feel like that's a thing.

47:27SPEAKERYeah.

47:28SPEAKERLike you can make, if you can make water boil from far away, you can make people boil from

47:31SPEAKERfar away.

47:32SPEAKERGross.

47:33SPEAKERYeah.

47:34SPEAKERIt's potentially dangerous.

47:35SPEAKERBut the radio frequency stuff that air fuel uses is not in the microwave range.

47:39SPEAKERIt's not going to make your, it's not going to make your head boil.

47:41SPEAKERSo do you think that one has a chance of catching on?

47:45SPEAKERI don't.

47:46SPEAKERI think it's interesting.

47:47SPEAKERLike if you think about things like internet of things, sensors and stuff like that, that

47:50SPEAKERyou may not necessarily have hard wire power for, but that you don't want to have to change

47:54SPEAKERbatteries in every three months.

47:56SPEAKERI think that's, I think that's the application for that stuff in the short term.

47:59SPEAKEROkay.

48:00SPEAKERChi 2.0 is coming.

48:01SPEAKERIt's just going to be faster charging rates.

48:03SPEAKERSeems, I mean, as the phones get more powerful, they're going to use more draw.

48:08SPEAKERSo they're going to need bigger batteries, yada yada.

48:10SPEAKERThe other really interesting one, there's a bunch of other stuff that I didn't get into

48:13SPEAKERbecause it was just too esoteric and weird, but there's an SAE standard called J2954.

48:19SPEAKERCatchy.

48:20SPEAKERYeah.

48:21SPEAKERIt's really rolls off the tongue.

48:22SPEAKERAgain, that's J2954.

48:24SPEAKERIt's wireless power transfer for electric vehicles.

48:28SPEAKERAnd it's up to 11 kilowatts transfer, which is pretty much, it's in the same range as

48:33SPEAKERlike the 240 volt wall chargers that you install in your garage or that are in like most municipal

48:39SPEAKERgarages and stuff like that.

48:41SPEAKERIt's not the 480 volt DC chargers that you do it like a Tesla supercharger or one of

48:46SPEAKERthe other fast charge stations.

48:49SPEAKERBut it's an inductive charger.

48:51SPEAKERBasically you park on a pad in your garage and you have to be in the right spot, but

48:56SPEAKERthe car has sensors.

48:57SPEAKERSo it like steers you to get in exactly the right spot above the inductive charger.

49:02SPEAKERAnd then it charges at the normal rate without you having to plug the big, heavy cable.

49:05SPEAKERThat's cool.

49:06SPEAKERAnd again, that's just for convenience, right?

49:08SPEAKERIt's just, it's just, it's just so you don't have to remember to plug your car in when

49:12SPEAKERyou get home.

49:13SPEAKERI had questions about it that I didn't, I wasn't able to find it.

49:15SPEAKERSo this actually shipped on a BMW through 530 E, which was only available for lease.

49:22SPEAKERIt's a car that was only available for lease because presumably they don't want to support

49:25SPEAKERthis if it doesn't work out.

49:27SPEAKERBut a car seems like a kind of like your phone on the desk overnight.

49:29SPEAKERLike that's, it seems like a great use case because obviously your car is probably going

49:32SPEAKERto sit in your garage for 90% of the time, 12 hours plus 15 hours overnight.

49:39SPEAKERSo the question I had about this is I don't know if it's two way.

49:43SPEAKERSo when you plug the cable in your car becomes part of the electrical network in a way that's

49:48SPEAKERreally interesting.

49:50SPEAKERLike in terms of like if the power company needs to lift, if the power company needs

49:55SPEAKERto spin up a power plant, because there's increased load because some factory came online

49:58SPEAKERor something, they can sag out of your battery in your car for a couple of minutes.

50:04SPEAKERAnd it can help stay like having, having millions of electrical cars physically wired into the

50:09SPEAKERelectrical network can help stabilize the ebbs and flows of like, you know, green power

50:13SPEAKERgeneration and stuff like that.

50:15SPEAKERSure.

50:16SPEAKERSure.

50:17SPEAKERSo they, and they, I'm sure they track that pretty.

50:18SPEAKEROh yeah.

50:19SPEAKERPretty accurately.

50:20SPEAKERYeah.

50:21SPEAKERIt's bill.

50:22SPEAKERYeah.

50:23SPEAKERYou're you're the meters.

50:24SPEAKERThe, the chargers for cars are smart.

50:25SPEAKERIt's not, they're not just like a dumb plug that you plug in.

50:27SPEAKERThey they're internet connected and they talk to the power company and they know what's

50:30SPEAKERgoing on.

50:31SPEAKEROkay.

50:32SPEAKERLike, like you even most electric cars, you can even say, Hey, I'm leaving at nine o'clock

50:36SPEAKERin the morning.

50:37SPEAKERSo it can optimize the charging based on the cost of power on a minute by minute basis

50:40SPEAKERor hour by hour basis based on your region.

50:42SPEAKERThat's cool.

50:43SPEAKERI didn't know it was that granular.

50:46SPEAKERSo like in California, when you buy an electric car, you get you get a dramatically decreased

50:51SPEAKERpower price from nine or 11 PM until 5 AM because it costs more for them to spin power

50:58SPEAKERplants down.

50:59SPEAKERAnd then it does to just, you know, turn them on and off then it does to just give people

51:03SPEAKERa massive discount.

51:04SPEAKERAnyway.

51:05SPEAKERPerfect time to charge a car.

51:07SPEAKERI saw this, I saw a demo of this when then when the MIT people were demoing it at a Silicon

51:10SPEAKERValley demo days, I saw this in like 2006 and at the time it was I'm holding my arms

51:15SPEAKERlike four feet apart, but it was an antenna like four feet apart and they were lighting

51:18SPEAKERup 150 watt light bulb from like four feet away.

51:21SPEAKERAnd I was like, that's, you could hold, you could wave it in the field.

51:24SPEAKERI was like, this is kind of cool, but I don't, I don't see an application for this really.

51:27SPEAKERBut now that they guess what, yeah, yeah.

51:29SPEAKERWho knew?

51:30SPEAKERYeah.

51:31SPEAKERSo yeah, that's it.

51:33SPEAKERThat's wireless power.

51:34SPEAKERYeah.

51:35SPEAKERThat's power.

51:36SPEAKERIt's cool.

51:37SPEAKERIt's cooler than you think it is.

51:38SPEAKERIf you don't use it, I highly recommend it.

51:39SPEAKERAnd it's not like it's expensive.

51:40SPEAKERI mean, if you buy the Apple pad, it's expensive.

51:42SPEAKERYeah.

51:43SPEAKERIf you buy an auger or a Samsung pad, it's like 15 bucks.

51:45SPEAKERYou definitely can pay 70, $80 for a charging pad for your phone, but you really shouldn't

51:49SPEAKERdo that.

51:50SPEAKERYou can also do that.

51:51SPEAKERIf you have an Apple watch, you have new AirPods with the, with the charging case, neither

51:57SPEAKERof those things need wireless charging.

51:59SPEAKERI mean, maybe, maybe the watch does, but like it already has the wireless clip on thing

52:04SPEAKERon the back, the, the, the AirPods you charge, charge in like 20 minutes.

52:08SPEAKERIt's no big deal.

52:09SPEAKERI just plugged them in.

52:10SPEAKERBut the phone is incredibly useful to have the, have the wireless or later for, yes.

52:15SPEAKERIt'll change your life in a very minor kind of like convenient way.

52:19SPEAKERYeah.

52:20SPEAKERThat you'll never think about again.

52:21SPEAKERAnd you'll be like, oh man, it's nice to have just one less thing to worry about.

52:24SPEAKERI wish I had a good, I wish there was a good magnetic wireless charging mount for the car.

52:31SPEAKERThat's if anybody has one of those, you'd think that would just be ubiquitous at this

52:35SPEAKERpoint.

52:36SPEAKERWell, they're kind of antithetical to each other.

52:37SPEAKERCause like the magnetic mount and the wireless, like, like I said, if you have a magnetic

52:41SPEAKERdisc on the back of your phone, it blocks the inductive charging.

52:45SPEAKERSo like you have to, you have to put it all the way at the bottom or all the way at the

52:48SPEAKERtop of the phone, the disc.

52:50SPEAKERLike mine is behind my sticker here.

52:52SPEAKERAre there some, excuse me.

52:53SPEAKERAre there some that don't use magnets out there that would just use like a clasp or

52:56SPEAKERsome kind of clamps, but I want them at, I like, I just look, it's nice to just put the

53:01SPEAKERphone and chalk it up.

53:02SPEAKERJust got to magnetize everything.

53:04SPEAKERDon't you?

53:05SPEAKERHow do they work, man?

53:06SPEAKERYeah.

53:07SPEAKERHey, we had a ton more listeners last week.

53:08SPEAKERYeah.

53:09SPEAKERWell, that's a couple of weeks.

53:10SPEAKERPeople have found us.

53:11SPEAKERYeah.

53:12SPEAKERSo I assume you, thank you all for telling your friends.

53:13SPEAKERHello, new people.

53:14SPEAKERYeah.

53:15SPEAKERIf you like the show, tell your friends, please.

53:16SPEAKERWe see a lot of good comments on Twitter and stuff.

53:17SPEAKERI love seeing this.

53:18SPEAKERYeah.

53:19SPEAKERIt's really, really gratifying.

53:20SPEAKERYes.

53:21SPEAKERAnd yeah, if you like us, put a review on iTunes or, you know, wherever your podcast

53:25SPEAKERmay be found.

53:26SPEAKERYeah, it's hugely helpful.

53:27SPEAKERBut tell people.

53:28SPEAKERYeah.

53:29SPEAKERThat helps more than anything else.

53:30SPEAKERSpread the good word.

53:31SPEAKERYeah.

53:32SPEAKERTell them what your favorite episode.

53:33SPEAKERTell us what your favorite episode.

53:34SPEAKERTell us which episodes you liked.

53:35SPEAKERThe survey was really useful.

53:36SPEAKERThanks to everybody who filled that out.

53:37SPEAKERYes.

53:38SPEAKERAs we said before, you have our undying gratitude and I guess we'll be back next week with another

53:41SPEAKERepisode.

53:42SPEAKERWe sure will.

53:43SPEAKERBye everybody.

53:47SPEAKERBye.