229: IMAX, the TikTok of Film Projection

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, Brad, I took the kiddo on a pilgrimage this week.

00:04SPEAKER- Whoa. - To?

00:06SPEAKER- Some might even say it was a,

00:08SPEAKERwell, I don't wanna say jihad because that's a loaded term

00:11SPEAKERthat's problematic for a lot of reasons.

00:13SPEAKERBut we went down, I took her to see a movie on film.

00:18SPEAKER- Film, wow. - Film, in a theater.

00:20SPEAKER- That is a religious experience.

00:22SPEAKER- I know, well, I realized as we were going,

00:24SPEAKERlike we went to see Dune at one of 30 IMAX's participating

00:29SPEAKERin 70 millimeter film projection around the world,

00:32SPEAKERthe Metreon AMC in San Francisco, California.

00:36SPEAKER- Formerly North America's biggest IMAX.

00:39SPEAKER- But who's bigger now?

00:41SPEAKER- I don't know, I'm pretty sure somebody took the crown.

00:43SPEAKERThey used to trumpet that, they used to really let you know

00:46SPEAKERand remind you frequently, this is the biggest IMAX

00:49SPEAKERon the continent, and I don't think they say that anymore.

00:51SPEAKER- Well, so, okay, so they had to,

00:53SPEAKERso they're projecting Dune on film,

00:55SPEAKERthe Metreon in San Francisco at the IMAX,

00:57SPEAKERand it's using the same huge platter

01:00SPEAKERthat they had to do for Oppenheimer,

01:01SPEAKER'cause the movie's like two hours and 30 or 40 minutes long.

01:04SPEAKER- Yeah, the six mile long film reel.

01:06SPEAKER- Yeah, and also, I realized usually

01:10SPEAKERwhen we used to go to that theater,

01:11SPEAKER'cause I used to be a Stubbs, one of the tested perks

01:14SPEAKERwas that I had a Stubbs membership,

01:16SPEAKERso I got three free movies a month or whatever,

01:19SPEAKERand we would go, I would take the kiddo down,

01:21SPEAKERand we would go to the Dolby Cinema display down there,

01:25SPEAKERwhich is I think probably consistently the best projection,

01:28SPEAKERdigital projection I've seen,

01:31SPEAKERpartly because it's, like, they have standards and stuff

01:33SPEAKERfor those Dolby Cinema theaters,

01:35SPEAKERbut partly because it's also the one

01:36SPEAKERthat's like four blocks from the Dolby executives,

01:39SPEAKERso when they wanna demo the theater,

01:41SPEAKERthe in-theater experience to people,

01:45SPEAKERthey take 'em to that one, so it was always really good.

01:47SPEAKERSo she'd never been to an IMAX before, was the takeaway.

01:51SPEAKER- And also never to a film projection?

01:53SPEAKER- And I think, so we went to a couple of things

01:56SPEAKERat the Castro when she was little.

01:58SPEAKERCastro does sing-along Disney and sing-along sound of music,

02:02SPEAKERso we went to see "The Little Mermaid"

02:03SPEAKERin a sing-along format,

02:04SPEAKERand I think we saw "Toad Row" there once.

02:07SPEAKERI think that those are probably digital projections

02:09SPEAKERat this point, I don't think we took her.

02:10SPEAKERI think if they do a film projection there,

02:14SPEAKERthey make a big deal out of it.

02:15SPEAKER- Yes, yeah, San Francisco has a ton

02:17SPEAKERof those little indie-type,

02:20SPEAKERI started to say second-run theaters,

02:21SPEAKERbut I think second-run implies

02:22SPEAKERthat the movie is still coming off its first run,

02:24SPEAKERand this is more like 40th run,

02:27SPEAKERmovies from the '80s and stuff,

02:28SPEAKERbut looking at the websites for a lot of those,

02:30SPEAKERyou definitely get the sense that 90% of these showings

02:33SPEAKERare a Blu-ray projected onto a screen,

02:36SPEAKER'cause one out of 12 or something will be like,

02:38SPEAKER"Hey, we got a film reel."

02:39SPEAKER- Well, and the Castro was set up to do real,

02:42SPEAKERthe modern, the hard drive projections and all that,

02:44SPEAKERbut they also definitely were part of the,

02:47SPEAKER"Hey, we have some reels,

02:48SPEAKERwe're passing 'em around" circuit, right?

02:52SPEAKERSo anyway, the upshot is,

02:53SPEAKERshe'd never been in the IMAX before,

02:55SPEAKERand when she turned the corner,

02:56SPEAKERso the San Francisco IMAX, when you go,

02:59SPEAKERit's a 15-story tall, or eight-story tall high screen,

03:02SPEAKERor something ridiculous,

03:04SPEAKERand when you walk down this long hallway to get to it,

03:06SPEAKERand then you turn the corner,

03:07SPEAKERand you're just at the foot of the screen, basically,

03:09SPEAKERand it's like, it feels like you're standing up

03:11SPEAKERagainst the side of a building, basically.

03:13SPEAKER- It is cavernous in there, for sure.

03:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a substantial room.

03:18SPEAKERWe went up and we got to our seats,

03:19SPEAKERand she was like, "This is a really big screen, Dan."

03:21SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, you have no idea."

03:23SPEAKERAnd it's a weird aspect ratio, too,

03:25SPEAKER'cause it's more, it's not really letterbox at all.

03:29SPEAKER- It's very tall.

03:30SPEAKER- Pretty portrait-y, it's almost TikTok-y at this point.

03:34SPEAKERSo it's film designed for Gen Z, is what I'm saying.

03:37SPEAKER- IMAX is the TikTok of film projection.

03:40SPEAKER- Exactly, that's what Christopher Nolan's

03:41SPEAKERalways been about, right?

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04:11SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

04:14SPEAKERI'm Will.

04:15SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.

04:15SPEAKER- Hello, hi, hello.

04:16SPEAKERI see the duck behind you.

04:18SPEAKER- The duck, I am in duck land, again.

04:21SPEAKER- When you say duck like that,

04:22SPEAKERI feel like I should hit the ground.

04:24SPEAKERBrad, we picked up a new car last week,

04:27SPEAKER'cause our Bolt is almost out of,

04:29SPEAKERthe lease is almost up, we did a three-year.

04:32SPEAKERAnd we'll do an episode about it,

04:34SPEAKERI'm sure, at some point in the future

04:35SPEAKERwhen I spend a little more time with it.

04:36SPEAKERBut it's a real,

04:38SPEAKERthere's a lot of computer stuff in the car.

04:40SPEAKER- Ooh, significant upgrade, I'm sure.

04:42SPEAKER- Significant upgrade, yeah.

04:44SPEAKERThis car feels like I'm driving the future.

04:47SPEAKERI can press a button and it'll more or less stay

04:50SPEAKERin the lane that it's on on the road,

04:52SPEAKERand not smash into cars in front of it,

04:55SPEAKERand keep speed up, and it's a little nuts.

04:58SPEAKERI don't know how I feel about that stuff yet.

05:00SPEAKERI still am skeptical of the self-driving features.

05:04SPEAKER- Interesting, I'm excited to hear that.

05:05SPEAKERI am having to do some driving on this trip,

05:07SPEAKERit turns out, out of necessities,

05:09SPEAKERwhich I've tried to avoid as much as possible

05:11SPEAKERfor the last three years.

05:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I've ever known you as a driver.

05:16SPEAKERI mean, I drove plenty before I moved to California

05:18SPEAKER21 years ago, and then ceased driving.

05:21SPEAKERSo I drove just fine,

05:23SPEAKERand then didn't drive for over two decades.

05:25SPEAKERAnd you know what, it comes back pretty fast.

05:27SPEAKER- Well, that's good.

05:28SPEAKER- But I should say, I'm not even used to key fobs.

05:31SPEAKERThat's what they're called, right?

05:33SPEAKER- The little beeper thing?

05:34SPEAKER- Like the thing you, like my parents have a Subaru,

05:37SPEAKERit's an Outback, 2018, I think it's 2018.

05:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just one round and plastic thing

05:43SPEAKERthat's the whole key?

05:44SPEAKERLike I've never even driven a car

05:46SPEAKERthat had like a fob where you had to hit buttons

05:48SPEAKERto do things on it.

05:48SPEAKERBut this one is like beyond even that,

05:50SPEAKERwhere you just need it on your person,

05:52SPEAKERand then you just do the stuff to the car

05:54SPEAKERwithout even touching the fob.

05:55SPEAKERLike that is future technology to me.

05:57SPEAKERSo whatever you've got going on

05:59SPEAKERis going to be like from 50 years in the future.

06:02SPEAKER- When you're back in town, I'll come back,

06:03SPEAKERcome by and we can go on a ride sometime.

06:05SPEAKERBut I just walk up to the car and the door unlocks,

06:08SPEAKERand like the handles pop out and it's like,

06:10SPEAKER"Hey, you want me to open you?"

06:13SPEAKER- So do you even have to touch anything?

06:15SPEAKER- You can if you want.

06:16SPEAKERBut if the fob is in my back pocket,

06:19SPEAKERsometimes the water in my meat body

06:22SPEAKERis enough to block the radio

06:23SPEAKERand make it think I'm farther away than I am.

06:25SPEAKERBut if it's in my jacket pocket,

06:26SPEAKERthen it just opens the door.

06:28SPEAKERI still have to pull the handle.

06:30SPEAKER- You know what that means?

06:31SPEAKERYou just, every time you approach the car,

06:32SPEAKERyou just need to turn around and moon it.

06:34SPEAKER- Ass first, yeah.

06:37SPEAKERI also, I was down at IGG

06:39SPEAKERdoing some stuff for PC World the other day.

06:40SPEAKERAnd I saw my first Cybertruck in real life.

06:44SPEAKER- Oh, I saw it, same here like Monday.

06:48SPEAKERYeah, Monday, the day I flew out on the way to the airport,

06:49SPEAKERI saw one.

06:50SPEAKER- In San Francisco or in North Carolina?

06:52SPEAKER- Yeah, in San Francisco.

06:53SPEAKER- It's an ugly car.

06:54SPEAKER- It sure is.

06:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I just wanted to walk up

06:57SPEAKERand put handprints all over it just to be an asshole,

06:59SPEAKERif I'm being honest.

07:00SPEAKER- No offense to anybody who owns one, but me.

07:02SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, that's Brad's policy, not mine.

07:07SPEAKER- You know what?

07:08SPEAKERActually, maybe we're comfortable

07:09SPEAKERnot playing to the Cybertruck-owning audience.

07:11SPEAKER- Yeah, this might not be the podcast for you.

07:15SPEAKERYeah, so I was shocked at the ugliness

07:18SPEAKERand the kind of poor fit of all the body panels

07:20SPEAKERwhen I walked by it on the way to lunch

07:22SPEAKERand was, yeah, anyway.

07:24SPEAKEROh, well, whoops.

07:26SPEAKER- Strange times on the highway.

07:27SPEAKER- Look, Kishore used to call him real life Tony Stark

07:29SPEAKERand it turns out he's real life Justin Hamm.

07:31SPEAKER- Probably instead, yeah.

07:34SPEAKER- Brad, we're doing something a little different this week.

07:36SPEAKERReal life has been a lot lately for both of us.

07:42SPEAKER- Yes, I'm out here on the East Coast again.

07:45SPEAKERI've got some family obligations while I'm here

07:47SPEAKERthat are proving to be much more time consuming

07:50SPEAKERthan I expected, so we talked last week

07:53SPEAKERabout some episodes we have in the hopper

07:55SPEAKERand those are not exiting the hopper, we should say.

07:58SPEAKER- No, well, we talked about doing a thing

08:02SPEAKERabout the Linux hack.

08:03SPEAKER- The XE slash lib-lzma backdoor,

08:07SPEAKERwhich is kind of like the biggest story

08:08SPEAKERin software development in a minute.

08:10SPEAKER- It's right up there with Heartbleed

08:12SPEAKERand some of the other big-

08:14SPEAKER- It's so crazy, man.

08:16SPEAKERThere's like so much like intrigue.

08:18SPEAKERThere's like such a clandestine nature to it

08:20SPEAKERwith the social engineering it took to pull it off

08:22SPEAKERand like people trying to sleuth out

08:25SPEAKERwhich nation state this hacker or cracker

08:28SPEAKERor whatever term you wanna use is associated with,

08:30SPEAKERlike it's, there's a lot going on there.

08:32SPEAKER- The next step, the next step is honestly,

08:35SPEAKERlike we're gonna have to have a federal security agency

08:38SPEAKERthat helps open-source people with their,

08:41SPEAKERwith their, you know, with this kind of penetration attack

08:45SPEAKER'cause I think, anyway, we'll,

08:47SPEAKEReither we'll do a potpourri episode that includes this

08:49SPEAKERor we'll do it in its own episode next week

08:51SPEAKERor the week after, sometime in the not too distant future.

08:54SPEAKERIt's an interesting story, it's still developing,

08:55SPEAKERso I'm kind of okay letting it sit while we,

08:58SPEAKER'cause I think it's one of those things

08:59SPEAKERthat like any day now we're gonna keep knowing more.

09:01SPEAKER- Yes, which is, which is good.

09:03SPEAKER- An extra week, God, what's it,

09:05SPEAKERit's been at the time of this recording,

09:07SPEAKERit's been about a week and it's like eight days, I think.

09:09SPEAKER- Like 10 days?

09:10SPEAKER- Like eight days, I think, since I think it was last Friday.

09:12SPEAKER- Thursday, yeah.

09:13SPEAKER- Thursday, Friday, so yeah, like an extra week.

09:15SPEAKERPeople are definitely going to keep uncovering more stuff.

09:17SPEAKERLike the author of XE, the creator slash maintainer

09:20SPEAKERwas on vacation when all this went down

09:22SPEAKERand he said he's gonna be,

09:23SPEAKERhe's gonna be digging into it as of like right now,

09:25SPEAKERso maybe he'll have more to say by then.

09:27SPEAKERCISA, are you familiar with it?

09:31SPEAKERThe Central Intelligence Security Agency?

09:33SPEAKER- The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

09:37SPEAKERon our long list of alphabet agencies.

09:39SPEAKERApparently, that's the one that put out an alert,

09:41SPEAKERlike within minutes of this disclosure happening.

09:44SPEAKERLike, I guess, I guess that's the federal body

09:46SPEAKERthat would most closely regulate.

09:48SPEAKERAnyway, we'll save that for then.

09:50SPEAKER- Yeah, the open source cops.

09:52SPEAKERBut so anyway, this week we, last episode,

09:56SPEAKERwe had a ton of extra questions left over on the,

09:59SPEAKERon the March Q&A.

10:01SPEAKERWe actually also had been kind of mining back

10:04SPEAKERinto the past history,

10:06SPEAKERand there's some questions that we answered before

10:08SPEAKERthat maybe are gonna be interesting enough to answer again

10:10SPEAKERand see if the answers have changed.

10:13SPEAKERThere's also a bunch of good kind of evergreen questions

10:15SPEAKERin there that are just, you know, worth revisiting

10:21SPEAKERfrom as far back as like late 2023.

10:24SPEAKERSo we're gonna go down and do a questions

10:28SPEAKERthrough the ages this week,

10:30SPEAKERand then we'll hopefully be back

10:31SPEAKERon the regular schedule by next week.

10:32SPEAKER- Supplemental Q&A, these questions are roughly,

10:36SPEAKERmostly from the last six months of queues,

10:38SPEAKERbut I bet we could go all the way back

10:40SPEAKERto the beginning sometime.

10:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I pulled-- - If we wanted to.

10:42SPEAKER- Like, there was one back in 20, late to early 2020,

10:47SPEAKERin March, January of 2020 that was like,

10:49SPEAKERhey, is there anything that would, you know,

10:51SPEAKERthat you could imagine completely changing

10:53SPEAKERthe way you live your life over, you know,

10:56SPEAKERlike say, staying inside the house

10:57SPEAKERfor six or eight months at a time, you know,

10:58SPEAKERstuff like that.

10:59SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, that's a stupid question.

11:00SPEAKERWe're never gonna answer that one, you know.

11:02SPEAKER- What did they know?

11:03SPEAKER- Yeah, how did they know?

11:05SPEAKERWhat's our first question, Brad?

11:06SPEAKERWhat do you got? - Have to investigate that.

11:08SPEAKERAll right, here's the first question from Discord,

11:12SPEAKERfrom Visualizer, from December 25th.

11:17SPEAKER- Christmas. - Of last year,

11:18SPEAKERas a matter of fact.

11:20SPEAKERDo y'all think there will ever be a reckoning

11:22SPEAKERover the steady and shitification of our tech and services,

11:26SPEAKERor will people just accept things like Amazon and Google

11:28SPEAKERgetting shittier and shittier to use?

11:31SPEAKER- So if you don't know, the shitification is a idea

11:35SPEAKERthat was put forward by Cory Doctorow,

11:38SPEAKERscience fiction author, boing boing co-host

11:41SPEAKERfrom the old days.

11:43SPEAKERAnd like, he's one of the people

11:46SPEAKERwho started the anti-DRM crusade in the early 2000s.

11:48SPEAKERSo generally speaking, smart guy worth listening to.

11:51SPEAKERThe idea of shitification is that instead of,

11:55SPEAKERonce a service reaches a critical mass of users,

12:01SPEAKERthere's no incentive for keeping it good, right?

12:05SPEAKERThat it just keeps getting,

12:06SPEAKERyou keep degrading the user experience

12:09SPEAKERin order to make a little bit more money

12:10SPEAKERand a little bit more money,

12:11SPEAKERor squeeze a little more value out of your users

12:13SPEAKERor whatever the service is.

12:17SPEAKERBut the end result for people who use it every day

12:19SPEAKERand rely on it is that it's worse and worse every day.

12:21SPEAKER- Yeah, credit to him.

12:23SPEAKERI don't think I have ever seen a newly coined term

12:27SPEAKERcatch on this fast and become this widely used.

12:30SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's like a thing that people,

12:34SPEAKERit's like when you ask people if they saw that Genie movie

12:37SPEAKERwith Shakin in the '90s and they all say,

12:39SPEAKER"Oh yeah, man, that was a great movie."

12:41SPEAKERThis is a universal experience.

12:43SPEAKEREverybody's had this happen, right?

12:44SPEAKER- I guess that's what it is actually,

12:45SPEAKERis that people have been feeling this for a while now.

12:48SPEAKERAnd as soon as somebody put a good pithy term to it,

12:50SPEAKERthey needed to give voice to their angst over the stuff.

12:55SPEAKERAnd yeah, what would trigger a reckoning in this situation?

12:59SPEAKERIt's like they all have a sort of collective monopoly

13:02SPEAKERon the style of service.

13:05SPEAKERAnd they all seem to be kind of going in the same direction,

13:07SPEAKERsome much more than others.

13:08SPEAKERBut I mean, what alternative is there?

13:11SPEAKERBut to keep putting up with it,

13:13SPEAKERI would like there to be one, I don't know.

13:14SPEAKER- So in the past, when this happened,

13:18SPEAKERthis has happened before it happened with IBM

13:20SPEAKERin the '90s, it happened with Microsoft in the 2000s, 2010s.

13:26SPEAKERBut IBM went away for all intents and purposes

13:30SPEAKERfor normal users.

13:31SPEAKERMicrosoft is still out making new versions of Windows

13:33SPEAKERthat are each a little shittier

13:34SPEAKERthan the one that came before.

13:36SPEAKER- Surfaces, all kinds of consumer-facing stuff.

13:40SPEAKER- Yeah, so I don't know.

13:42SPEAKERI want to say somebody comes out

13:46SPEAKERand makes a better experience,

13:47SPEAKERbut at this point, Google and Amazon are so huge

13:50SPEAKERthat I don't think it's gonna matter.

13:52SPEAKERAnd you look at things like Disney+ doing 10, nine years

13:56SPEAKERor whatever of essentially introductory pricing

14:02SPEAKERand then all the streaming services jacking up their prices

14:05SPEAKERin the last year as they're reducing the amount of content

14:07SPEAKERthat they put out, new shows they put out on the services,

14:10SPEAKERstuff like that.

14:11SPEAKERAnd it's a real, I don't know that there's a good answer

14:14SPEAKERother than just stop giving these places money.

14:16SPEAKERLike you don't have to buy stuff from Amazon

14:17SPEAKERif you don't want to.

14:18SPEAKER- That's true, yeah, maybe that's actually the answer.

14:21SPEAKERMaybe the market will just correct itself at some point.

14:23SPEAKERI mean, if you use one of those giant email services,

14:26SPEAKERyou could switch to something,

14:27SPEAKERwe talked about that last week,

14:28SPEAKERlike you could switch to ProtonMail or FastMail

14:31SPEAKERin the email context, in the context of streaming.

14:35SPEAKERPretty sure a lot of people are going back to piracy.

14:37SPEAKERSo at some point, maybe the revenue takes enough of a hit

14:39SPEAKERthat they realize they have pushed it too far.

14:41SPEAKERI don't know.

14:42SPEAKER- Yeah, and like you can, just not giving them money,

14:46SPEAKERit turns out, helps.

14:48SPEAKERMaybe not on one person's scale,

14:49SPEAKERbut eventually they'll get to a point where they'll,

14:52SPEAKERlike IBM, they'll look up and all of their customers

14:54SPEAKERhave eroded and they start looking

14:57SPEAKERand seeing what they should do.

14:58SPEAKERBut I mean, Google's even theoretically looking

15:01SPEAKERat what they can do to improve search results.

15:03SPEAKERI stopped using search,

15:03SPEAKERI stopped using Chrome years ago, right?

15:06SPEAKERI, you know, don't use Chrome, use Firefox.

15:09SPEAKERIt's fully functional.

15:12SPEAKERI haven't hit a website that doesn't work in Firefox

15:14SPEAKERin years at this point.

15:15SPEAKERIt may be a tiny bit slower.

15:17SPEAKER- Maybe I should give it a shot again.

15:19SPEAKERMy understanding is I haven't looked at numbers in a while.

15:21SPEAKERI think Chrome has a near monopoly

15:23SPEAKERon browser use at this point.

15:25SPEAKER- Bigger than Jesus.

15:26SPEAKERYeah, it's enormous.

15:27SPEAKERThe Safari and Edge have tiny, tiny slices.

15:31SPEAKERAnd Edge is more incentivized than anything else

15:34SPEAKERanybody else is using at this point.

15:35SPEAKERIt went from usable to terrible faster

15:37SPEAKERthan any piece of software I've ever used.

15:39SPEAKER- Yes, I a thousand percent agree.

15:41SPEAKERLike it was, I genuinely like,

15:43SPEAKERI actually switched to it briefly for a period of months.

15:46SPEAKERI use, 'cause it's still chromium under the hood,

15:48SPEAKERjust like Chrome, you know?

15:49SPEAKERAnd then when it first came out,

15:50SPEAKERit was pretty stripped down, but not in a bad way.

15:53SPEAKERYou know, it was streamlined and fairly elegant.

15:55SPEAKERI was like, man, this is built right into the OS.

15:57SPEAKERIt seems less bloated than Chrome, sure.

16:00SPEAKERAnd like, good God, man, like just that toolbar alone,

16:03SPEAKERthat sidebar crammed with icons and like, is it Copilot?

16:06SPEAKERIs that the name of their AI stuff

16:08SPEAKERthat they've crammed in there?

16:08SPEAKERLike, it's just, man, what a mess.

16:10SPEAKER- Well, and so the thing I'll say about Firefox

16:12SPEAKERis I use Firefox on the iPad, on the phone, on the PC.

16:17SPEAKERI don't use a Mac anymore,

16:18SPEAKERbut I would probably use it there if I did.

16:20SPEAKERAnd like the, having the same browser,

16:23SPEAKERnot using Safari on the phone and the iOS devices

16:26SPEAKERand using Chrome on the desktop,

16:28SPEAKER'cause Chrome iOS has always been kind of crappy.

16:32SPEAKERLike having stuff like tab sync and the history sync

16:34SPEAKERacross the devices is really, really convenient.

16:36SPEAKERIt means that I can, when I'm sitting in the living room

16:38SPEAKERand I wanna find something that I was reading on my PC

16:41SPEAKERearlier that day, I just open up the history tab

16:44SPEAKERand it's right there.

16:45SPEAKERAnd like, it's little stuff like that

16:48SPEAKERthat makes a big difference in how you use the software.

16:50SPEAKERSo I don't know, and if you don't wanna use Firefox,

16:52SPEAKERyou can always use Chromium.

16:53SPEAKERYou can use, you know, there's other,

16:56SPEAKERthere's other Chrome, Chromium engine browsers

16:59SPEAKERthat are available, so.

17:01SPEAKERAnd then look at the stuff you pay 10 bucks a month to, too.

17:04SPEAKERLike, if you're paying for Apple iCloud stuff,

17:07SPEAKERyou're paying for Google Photos,

17:08SPEAKERif you're paying for Amazon Prime,

17:10SPEAKERif you're paying for all these,

17:12SPEAKERyou're sending the wrong signal

17:14SPEAKERby continuing to pay for these services

17:17SPEAKERif you don't like the way things are going.

17:19SPEAKER- That's for sure.

17:20SPEAKERYou've got me thinking about maybe switching off of Chrome.

17:22SPEAKERNow, did you see this incognito mode kerfuffle flap?

17:25SPEAKER- Yeah, they suck.

17:26SPEAKER- Recently, I didn't read too much past the headlines there,

17:28SPEAKERbut the upshot, as I understand it,

17:30SPEAKERis that it turned out that Google

17:32SPEAKERhas been collecting a lot of data

17:33SPEAKERfrom people's use of incognito mode in Chrome.

17:36SPEAKER- They tell you, incognito mode just doesn't save history.

17:38SPEAKERAll it does is doesn't save your history.

17:41SPEAKER- So, those warnings have always read to me

17:43SPEAKERas them trying to warn you,

17:45SPEAKERhey, your ISP can still see what you're doing,

17:46SPEAKERlike what sites you're visiting or your DNS,

17:48SPEAKERwhoever runs the infrastructure

17:50SPEAKERyou're accessing through this browser.

17:51SPEAKERIt never read to me, though, as if to say,

17:54SPEAKERhey, we are still watching what you're doing in this.

17:57SPEAKER- Do you turn on data collection,

17:59SPEAKERthird-party data collection for apps?

18:01SPEAKERSo, like, if it says, hey, can you send,

18:03SPEAKERlike, if Chrome says, hey, can you send your data

18:05SPEAKERback to Google to help us improve

18:06SPEAKERthe experience of this product?

18:08SPEAKERDo you say yes or no to that?

18:09SPEAKER- In the Chrome context or just broadly?

18:11SPEAKER- Just in general.

18:12SPEAKER- Like, in something like a games, usually, sometimes--

18:16SPEAKER- Game, actually, yes, yeah.

18:17SPEAKER- I have drifted more toward just

18:19SPEAKERa blanket no policy on that,

18:21SPEAKERbut I used to care way less about something

18:23SPEAKERin, like, a video game.

18:24SPEAKERLike, a lot of games ask if they can collect metrics,

18:27SPEAKERand I do agree to a good number of those,

18:29SPEAKERespecially if it's a game that I actually care about.

18:32SPEAKER- Having been on the game side,

18:33SPEAKERthe data that you used for that is generally just used

18:35SPEAKERto make the game better rather than to sell you stuff.

18:37SPEAKER- Yeah, and like, what personal, I mean,

18:40SPEAKERwhat data are they going to harvest from my play style

18:42SPEAKERor how long I stayed in game or whatever, you know?

18:45SPEAKEROr, you know, what sensitive data?

18:46SPEAKERLike, there's nothing to hide there, but like--

18:48SPEAKER- Well, they'll use it to make a game

18:50SPEAKERthat appeals more directly to you

18:51SPEAKERif you were representative of a large enough sample

18:53SPEAKERof player base, right?

18:54SPEAKERThat's not a bad thing. - That's fine, that's fine.

18:56SPEAKERBut like, OS and browser level stuff,

18:58SPEAKERlike, just about anything in the computing context

19:00SPEAKERI feel a lot weirder about.

19:02SPEAKER- Always no, I'm always no.

19:04SPEAKERThe thing to always remember,

19:05SPEAKERand this is another Cory Doctorow thing,

19:07SPEAKERis if you know what zip code somebody is in

19:10SPEAKERin their relative age,

19:11SPEAKERyou can within about a 5% accuracy figure out

19:14SPEAKERexactly who they are by taking that information,

19:18SPEAKERlike taking an IP address and an age

19:20SPEAKERand syncing that across public databases.

19:23SPEAKER- Cool.

19:24SPEAKER- So yeah, there's no, that anonymized,

19:27SPEAKERanonymized data collection is rarely anonymized.

19:30SPEAKER- Yes, yes. - It's the TLDR.

19:32SPEAKER- Man, we're gonna spend this whole episode

19:34SPEAKERtalking about this one question,

19:35SPEAKERbut the rise of the security check,

19:38SPEAKERnot exactly a CAPTCHA,

19:39SPEAKERbut they'll do it for a lot of tax services

19:42SPEAKERand financial stuff that you sign up for these days

19:43SPEAKERwhere it's like a list of questions

19:45SPEAKERthat all draw from publicly available data about you.

19:48SPEAKER- Yep.

19:49SPEAKER- The ones that are like,

19:50SPEAKERwhich of these former addresses did you live at?

19:52SPEAKERAnd it'll be an apartment from 25 years ago,

19:54SPEAKERor like, which of these cars did you drive?

19:56SPEAKERWho of these people are related to you?

19:59SPEAKERAnd it's your deceased grandfather from 30 years ago,

20:01SPEAKERlike that stuff is- - I don't like that.

20:03SPEAKER- That stuff is skeezy as all get out.

20:05SPEAKER- Yep.

20:06SPEAKER- Not pleasant.

20:07SPEAKER- Not a fan.

20:08SPEAKER- The internet sucks now.

20:11SPEAKERAnyway, shall we move on?

20:14SPEAKER- Yeah, question one answered.

20:16SPEAKER- There you go, asked and answered.

20:18SPEAKERCaptain Swayzak from the Discord in January,

20:21SPEAKERhopefully this is still relevant to you.

20:23SPEAKERI'm thinking about taking a job transfer,

20:25SPEAKERwhich would require me to move from the Midwest

20:27SPEAKERto the Pacific Northwest.

20:29SPEAKERIs there any tech I should be looking at

20:30SPEAKERto simplify or help in the moving process?

20:33SPEAKER- Oh man, I don't know.

20:36SPEAKERWhat are you doing?

20:37SPEAKERI haven't moved in a long time at this point.

20:39SPEAKER- I have not either.

20:40SPEAKERAnd the last time I moved was just across town.

20:42SPEAKERSo it's been like 20, 21 years since I moved cross country.

20:45SPEAKERHow about air tags is the first thing I thought of.

20:47SPEAKER- So air tags, I think are useful.

20:50SPEAKERAlthough I don't know that they'll work

20:51SPEAKERinside like a moving van.

20:52SPEAKERSo it's not like you'll be able to see

20:53SPEAKERwhere your truck is necessarily if they're not showing you.

20:58SPEAKEROne of the things I do, I find most useful when I'm moving

21:02SPEAKERis to, and we do this, we just took a bunch of stuff

21:04SPEAKERto storage a few weeks ago and did the same thing there,

21:07SPEAKERis to put, when you're loading boxes,

21:11SPEAKERto pack, to take pictures of everything as they're going in

21:15SPEAKERand take, like label the outside with a number

21:19SPEAKERand identify 1A or 1B, whatever,

21:21SPEAKERtied to the room that it came from.

21:23SPEAKERBut then you take the picture of the label

21:25SPEAKERwith the stuff in the box,

21:26SPEAKERand then you know what's in the box,

21:28SPEAKERwhich it turns out is very helpful

21:29SPEAKERwhen you're trying to find the one thing

21:31SPEAKERthat you need out of that box.

21:32SPEAKER- Yeah, that's way better than what I was gonna suggest,

21:34SPEAKERwhich was some kind of spreadsheet or database

21:36SPEAKERwith contents of each box, but a photo is way easier.

21:39SPEAKER- Yeah, just, what I, I wouldn't go so far

21:44SPEAKERas to pack the box and then unpack the box

21:46SPEAKERand take a picture of everything all laid out,

21:48SPEAKERbut just take pictures of the layers as they're going in,

21:50SPEAKERif it's like a deep box.

21:51SPEAKERMy biggest thing when you're moving

21:53SPEAKERis just to use lots of small boxes

21:55SPEAKERinstead of a small, relatively small number of big boxes.

21:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

21:59SPEAKER- But yeah, I'd love to hear how that goes.

22:01SPEAKERAnd if you found anything, that's an interesting question.

22:03SPEAKERI'd love to hear feedback from other people.

22:05SPEAKERIt's one of the reasons

22:06SPEAKERI thought it was an interesting question.

22:07SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.

22:10SPEAKERLet's see, question from Lunchbox 700 from January.

22:15SPEAKER"What feature of a piece of tech did you scoff at

22:19SPEAKERuntil you started using it

22:20SPEAKERand realized you were just a cranky old man

22:21SPEAKERyelling at clouds?"

22:23SPEAKERA somewhat recent one for me was the AirPod Pro

22:26SPEAKERactive noise canceling and transparency mode.

22:29SPEAKERI thought for sure I wouldn't care at all.

22:31SPEAKERI just needed new earbuds.

22:33SPEAKERI was so wrong.

22:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's an absolute banger as far as I'm concerned.

22:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I might be inching closer and closer

22:40SPEAKERto some of those.

22:42SPEAKERLike next time they refresh them

22:43SPEAKERand there's a new version out there, I might spring for it.

22:46SPEAKERI've got these corded Bose voice canceling earbuds,

22:50SPEAKERwhich were great when I bought them.

22:53SPEAKER- 10 years ago?

22:54SPEAKER- 10 plus years ago, still went fine.

22:56SPEAKERBut I just, I feel more and more embarrassed

23:00SPEAKERevery time I get on a plane

23:00SPEAKERand pull out this like long gangly mess of cords

23:04SPEAKERwith a little inline box attached to it.

23:05SPEAKERAnd I look at everybody with their very fancy earbuds

23:08SPEAKERand I might give up the plug.

23:11SPEAKER- So the thing I'll say is the battery,

23:14SPEAKERthe way they manage the charging on those,

23:16SPEAKERlike they do the slow charge above 80%

23:18SPEAKERand sometimes it just,

23:20SPEAKERif it doesn't think based on your past usage

23:23SPEAKERthat you need to go above 80%,

23:24SPEAKERit just won't charge above there,

23:25SPEAKERso your battery stays good longer.

23:27SPEAKER- Sure.

23:28SPEAKER- Which is my main argument against buying,

23:30SPEAKERyou know, battery wireless headphones.

23:34SPEAKERThe ANC-

23:35SPEAKER- Sorry, sorry, to be clear, I do have some wireless,

23:38SPEAKERI have two nice sets of wireless earbuds

23:40SPEAKERfor like exercise and going around town.

23:42SPEAKERI just don't have any with noise canceling.

23:44SPEAKERAnd I will say, the other thing enticing me,

23:47SPEAKERI have a watch and a phone

23:49SPEAKERand most of the like kind of multi-charger apparatus

23:54SPEAKERthat you find are actually three in ones.

23:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:58SPEAKER- You're rarely going to see a phone and watch charger.

24:01SPEAKERYou're usually going to see a phone watch

24:03SPEAKERand AirPods charger.

24:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:05SPEAKER- And so I have like two of those now

24:06SPEAKERwith this big lonely spot for AirPods I don't own.

24:09SPEAKERAnd I'm like, hmm.

24:10SPEAKER- But if I had AirPods, well, it's okay.

24:12SPEAKERSo the ANC mode is nice.

24:15SPEAKERIt's the same as any good noise canceling mode, right?

24:18SPEAKER- Sure.

24:19SPEAKER- The transparency thing is like,

24:21SPEAKERthey've gotten really good in the time

24:23SPEAKERsince you bought those headphones.

24:24SPEAKERSo it's like, it doesn't sound,

24:26SPEAKERin the old days with a transpass through mode,

24:28SPEAKERit sounded like you were getting a tinny representation

24:30SPEAKERof the outside world.

24:31SPEAKERNow it's indistinguishable from the,

24:33SPEAKERme not having the AirPods in my ears, even to my own voice,

24:36SPEAKERwhich is really weird.

24:38SPEAKER- So I had that thought on the flight out here

24:39SPEAKERas we departed very late and then got there

24:42SPEAKERand sat on the runway and I missed my connection

24:45SPEAKERand had to spend the night in an unfamiliar,

24:48SPEAKERnot my destination.

24:49SPEAKER- Oh, I'm sorry.

24:50SPEAKER- But as the flight was progressing

24:52SPEAKERand the pilot kept coming on and giving us updates on like,

24:54SPEAKERhey, we're trying to get you there as fast as we can.

24:58SPEAKERWith those Bose is, with the noise canceling on,

25:01SPEAKERit's super pleasant.

25:02SPEAKERLike it totally drowns out the,

25:04SPEAKERor cancels out the sound of the engines and stuff,

25:06SPEAKERbut I can barely hear anything over the intercom.

25:08SPEAKERAnd when I, and that thing does have a pass through,

25:10SPEAKERbut when I turn that on, it lets in both the pilot,

25:12SPEAKERthe PA and sound of the engines.

25:14SPEAKERSo I was wondering if the,

25:17SPEAKERI was wondering if like the filtering logic

25:18SPEAKERon the AirPod Pros had gotten to the point where like,

25:21SPEAKERis it completely transparent

25:22SPEAKERwhere you would hear the PA clearly and still no engines,

25:25SPEAKERor is it still a little fuzzier than that?

25:27SPEAKER- So they have a thing called adaptive transparency,

25:29SPEAKERI think that tries to remove,

25:32SPEAKERI use it often when I'm cooking, right?

25:34SPEAKER'Cause there'll be people coming through the kitchen,

25:35SPEAKERthey want to talk to me,

25:36SPEAKERbut also I don't want to hear the fan on the hood

25:38SPEAKERand stuff like that.

25:40SPEAKERAnd it filters out some of the fan noise

25:45SPEAKERand the engine noise and stuff like that

25:46SPEAKERwhen you're on the plane.

25:47SPEAKERIt doesn't do the full thing, but it does better.

25:50SPEAKERIt's like splits the gap, right?

25:53SPEAKER- That's fine.

25:54SPEAKERAs long as it's intelligible, it doesn't have to be perfect.

25:55SPEAKER- For me, the real winner is the conversation mode

25:58SPEAKERso that when I start talking and I have it on transparency

26:02SPEAKERon either the adaptive transparency

26:04SPEAKERor the noise canceling mode, it switches over

26:08SPEAKERand it turns on the outside microphone

26:10SPEAKERand it mutes my, whatever I'm listening to,

26:12SPEAKERso I can have a conversation without me having to like

26:14SPEAKERput down what I was working on and go back.

26:17SPEAKERIt's like stuff like that is really good.

26:21SPEAKERI'm trying to think the answer on the,

26:23SPEAKERkind of the Apple Pencil, I know it was,

26:25SPEAKERI didn't mean for this to be all Apple answers here,

26:28SPEAKERbut the Apple Pencil's really good

26:31SPEAKERand it turns out I use it a lot, mostly for sketching stuff.

26:35SPEAKER'Cause often I'm taking the kind of stuff

26:37SPEAKERthat I take notes for, I need to do a little quick sketch

26:40SPEAKERor a graph or something and it's nice to have that.

26:44SPEAKER- I also love the dual sense triggers.

26:47SPEAKER- Really?

26:47SPEAKER- I was prepared to be unimpressed with them

26:50SPEAKERand I like the dual sense has become my primary PC gamepad

26:54SPEAKERnow, especially for games that support it.

26:57SPEAKER- Interesting.

26:58SPEAKER- So it is, I think it's the business.

27:00SPEAKER- I thought that feature was great when I first,

27:03SPEAKERwhen the PS5 first came out,

27:04SPEAKERI've kind of chilled on it a bit.

27:07SPEAKERI still have it on,

27:08SPEAKERbut I turned it down to the lowest setting on the PS5.

27:10SPEAKERAlthough part of that is because people figured out

27:12SPEAKERthat that was a huge portion of the battery drain

27:14SPEAKERwas having those things on full.

27:17SPEAKER- Well, so I almost always have the PC plugged,

27:19SPEAKERthe gamepad plugged into the PC.

27:21SPEAKER- Sure.

27:22SPEAKER- But also I, turning it off the highest,

27:25SPEAKERmy fingers got tired playing the Spider-Man game

27:28SPEAKERwith the triggers on.

27:29SPEAKER- Definitely.

27:31SPEAKERMy answer here, I'm gonna moderate their language

27:36SPEAKERa little bit here 'cause they said,

27:38SPEAKERwhat piece of tech did you scoff at?

27:39SPEAKERI'm not gonna say I scoffed at this.

27:40SPEAKERI understood the utility of it.

27:42SPEAKERI just didn't think I cared.

27:43SPEAKERHDR, I thought I was just fine without HDR.

27:49SPEAKERAnd in fact, actually thinking back a few years,

27:50SPEAKERwhen I got these new monitors,

27:52SPEAKERnot new, they're four years old now,

27:53SPEAKERbut when I got these monitors,

27:55SPEAKERI currently have have HDR, but it's like shit HDR.

27:57SPEAKEREven then playing Destiny on those PC monitors

28:00SPEAKERwith bad HDR was still kind of mind blowing.

28:03SPEAKERSo you'd think I would have figured out

28:05SPEAKERthat having an actually good HDR TV would have been cool,

28:08SPEAKERbut I still, I guess I just wasn't prepared

28:10SPEAKERfor how much I thought it was incredible until I got it.

28:14SPEAKERI've been messing with HDR on the Mr.

28:17SPEAKER- Oh my, to do phosphor glow?

28:20SPEAKER- Not exactly, I wish that they were doing that

28:23SPEAKERand maybe they'll get there.

28:24SPEAKERAlthough I don't think there's a lot of room left

28:25SPEAKERon that chip to do things at this point.

28:28SPEAKERIn this case, all they're doing is,

28:29SPEAKERit's got all these scan line and like shadow mask overlays

28:32SPEAKERyou can put on to kind of simulate the look of old CRTs,

28:37SPEAKERbut you're overlaying things on the image,

28:39SPEAKERwhich necessarily is going to make it darker, right?

28:41SPEAKERSo all they're doing is doing on the fly kind of auto HDR.

28:44SPEAKER- Oh, like tone mapping, yeah.

28:46SPEAKER- Kind of, yeah, just to bring the brightness

28:48SPEAKERof the image way back up to offset the darkening effect

28:52SPEAKERof that stuff, it looks quite good.

28:54SPEAKERLike I've got it, what at the end of the day is an LCD TV.

28:57SPEAKERIt's nothing super fancy, but it's passively believable

29:02SPEAKERas like old looking CRT.

29:04SPEAKERIt's certainly not like a RetroTINK 4K or anything,

29:06SPEAKERbut with HDR on and the setting it to like the Sony PVM

29:10SPEAKERor Trinitron preset or something like that,

29:13SPEAKERit looks totally passable

29:15SPEAKERas like a believable old video game.

29:17SPEAKER- That's cool.

29:18SPEAKER- Yeah. - That sounds good.

29:18SPEAKER- Yes. - Yeah.

29:19SPEAKERI found my enthusiasm for HDR was limited

29:23SPEAKERbecause I think the first real HDR set I saw

29:25SPEAKERwas Norm's LG OLED 10, you know, a while ago.

29:30SPEAKERAnd I'm gonna go and tell you everything else

29:33SPEAKERlooked kind of crappy in comparison, so.

29:36SPEAKERI believe that.

29:38SPEAKERHere's an email that came in from Jerry.

29:41SPEAKERActually, I'll say real quick,

29:42SPEAKERmy other answers to this question.

29:43SPEAKERAnd again, it's not that I didn't want these.

29:46SPEAKERI just never got around to it was bigger monitors.

29:48SPEAKERLike that was another thing where I was like,

29:49SPEAKERah, these 20 inches are probably fine.

29:51SPEAKERThey were not fine.

29:52SPEAKER- They were not fine, Brad.

29:54SPEAKERWe told you they weren't fine.

29:55SPEAKER- And on that note.

29:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:57SPEAKER- Jerry asks, I'm considering upgrading my monitor soon.

30:02SPEAKERMy current setup is dual 24 inch 1080p monitors,

30:05SPEAKERwhich are old HPZ displays supplied by my employer.

30:11SPEAKERThey're fine, but not particularly nice.

30:12SPEAKERI sit rather close to the monitors during the workday.

30:15SPEAKERI find this comfortable and it fits my ergonomic setup well

30:18SPEAKERand recline a bit when gaming or watching YouTube.

30:20SPEAKERI'd like to upgrade to 1440p monitors,

30:23SPEAKERassuming that the increased pixel density

30:25SPEAKERwill be a nice upgrade.

30:27SPEAKERI'm debating between 24 or 27 inches.

30:30SPEAKERI'm a little worried that going to 27 inch

30:32SPEAKERwill be a bit too much screen at a close distance

30:35SPEAKERrequiring more head movement than desired.

30:38SPEAKERWhile I do some gaming, 60 frames per second is fine for me.

30:41SPEAKERSo refresh rates aren't a huge deal.

30:44SPEAKERShould I stick with the old 1080p monitors?

30:46SPEAKERDon't do that.

30:47SPEAKERTake it from me.

30:49SPEAKERGo with 24 inch 1440p monitors,

30:51SPEAKER27 inch 1440p monitors

30:53SPEAKERor something else I haven't considered.

30:55SPEAKER- Look that Samsung G9 is on sale now for like $1,100.

30:59SPEAKER- Is that?

30:59SPEAKER- That's the 35 inch ultra wide 35 to one ratio

31:04SPEAKERor something.

31:05SPEAKERIt's like a scenely wide.

31:06SPEAKER- It's like 120 degree arc around your head, basically.

31:10SPEAKER- Best Buy has got it for $799 is what it says, 49 inch.

31:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:15SPEAKER- Do what you feel I would never ever buy a monitor

31:17SPEAKERthat wide or that curved, personally.

31:19SPEAKER- The thing about that monitor is you can set it up

31:21SPEAKERas two separate monitors and windows.

31:23SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

31:24SPEAKER- So you get like left monitor, right monitor

31:26SPEAKERbut there's no seam between them.

31:27SPEAKER- Like windows will see it as two discrete displays?

31:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:31SPEAKER- Oh, that's fantastic.

31:32SPEAKERI've wondered about that with ultra wide monitors.

31:34SPEAKERThat's one of the reasons I still favor

31:35SPEAKERtwo regular 16 by nine monitors side by side

31:37SPEAKERis because you can very easily tell each monitor

31:40SPEAKERto do different things per the windows display settings.

31:44SPEAKER- Every ultra wide monitor I've ever used

31:46SPEAKERhas let you do that for what it's worth.

31:48SPEAKER- As like two split monitors?

31:49SPEAKER- Two separate monitors.

31:50SPEAKERIt shows up as two separate monitors and windows.

31:52SPEAKERSometimes they require a program to do it

31:54SPEAKERbut for the most part, it just like my old LG one

31:58SPEAKERthat just conked out just works.

32:00SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.

32:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:01SPEAKER- Like separate resolutions even?

32:02SPEAKER- No, you can't do separate resolutions.

32:04SPEAKERIt's basically half of the horizontal resolution

32:06SPEAKERby the vertical resolution.

32:07SPEAKER- I see, I see.

32:09SPEAKER- But yeah, so I wouldn't actually,

32:12SPEAKERI think the G9 is kind of expensive.

32:13SPEAKERIt's ridiculous and fancy.

32:16SPEAKERI think the two 1440p monitors is a good choice.

32:18SPEAKERI don't--

32:19SPEAKER- What size though?

32:21SPEAKER- Well, so like I sit about arms length

32:25SPEAKERaway from my monitors.

32:27SPEAKERLike if I'm sitting straight up

32:29SPEAKERwith my hands on the keyboard and mouse,

32:31SPEAKERI'm like, I can reach out and touch the screen,

32:33SPEAKERbut just barely.

32:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I might even be a little farther than that.

32:36SPEAKER- I think you're a little further back, yeah.

32:39SPEAKERSo I have, and I have a 24 inch and a 28 inch display

32:43SPEAKERon my desk.

32:44SPEAKEROne is above the other.

32:45SPEAKERThe 24 inch is low just 'cause it's the high refresh rate

32:47SPEAKERdisplay and I use it for games.

32:49SPEAKER- 28, huh?

32:50SPEAKER- Yeah, like I don't find the 28 to be bad.

32:55SPEAKERIt's a 4K 28.

32:57SPEAKER- Oh.

32:58SPEAKER- I use the, 'cause it turns out sometimes it's handy

33:02SPEAKERto be able to capture a 4K video when you work in games.

33:07SPEAKERI scale it pretty big.

33:09SPEAKERI scale it up to 150.

33:11SPEAKERSo it's basically the text looks like it's about

33:14SPEAKERthe same size on the 1080p display and the 4K display.

33:19SPEAKERBut I think, I guess my point is with Windows scaling,

33:23SPEAKERwith Windows ability to scale your desktop

33:25SPEAKERto however, whatever percentage you want,

33:27SPEAKERyou can kind of get whatever size monitor

33:29SPEAKERyou feel comfortable with.

33:30SPEAKERI don't find looking left and right to be a real problem

33:33SPEAKERat like arms length distance with the 28 inch monitor.

33:37SPEAKERIf you're sitting closer than that, it might be.

33:39SPEAKERSo I think that should be, like that would be,

33:43SPEAKERI think your, that would be my recommendation

33:46SPEAKERis figure out how far you're actually sitting away.

33:47SPEAKERAnd if it's closer to the arms length,

33:49SPEAKERthen get the small one.

33:50SPEAKERIf it's further away or arms length or further,

33:52SPEAKERthe 27s will be fine.

33:54SPEAKER- Sure.

33:55SPEAKER- I've pretty much decided the 27 inch 1440p

33:58SPEAKERis a sweet spot for me.

34:00SPEAKERI think that's both a good size of monitor

34:02SPEAKERand a good pixel density.

34:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:04SPEAKER- I popped a calculator and I can't,

34:06SPEAKERoh, I can compare two screens.

34:07SPEAKERGive me just a moment.

34:09SPEAKERI can tell you your pixel density is gonna be a bit higher,

34:13SPEAKERbut not dramatically so than 1080p at 24 inches.

34:16SPEAKERIt is 90, roughly 92 PPI versus 109.

34:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:22SPEAKER- So not a huge difference, but a little bit.

34:24SPEAKERWhich would mean like you would be more or less

34:27SPEAKERkeeping the size of text and icons you're used to

34:30SPEAKERwithout scaling within reason,

34:31SPEAKERwithin like a margin of error, right?

34:32SPEAKERLike you're not gonna, it's gonna feel roughly

34:35SPEAKERlike the same size of screen elements you're looking at

34:38SPEAKERjust on a bigger screen.

34:39SPEAKER- Pretty much, yeah.

34:40SPEAKER- I did move mine back.

34:41SPEAKERLike I said, I've got them on arms and I,

34:43SPEAKERthey're at least, I bet they're pushing three feet away.

34:46SPEAKERWell, maybe not.

34:47SPEAKERI'm not in front of them.

34:47SPEAKERThey're at home right now.

34:49SPEAKERI'm not there, but I did.

34:50SPEAKER- Your desk is pretty deep.

34:52SPEAKER- My desk is quite deep.

34:53SPEAKERIt's like my desk might be from the era

34:57SPEAKERwhen CRTs were still common.

34:59SPEAKERBut I did need to move them back enough

35:03SPEAKERto feel like I could kind of see everything well at once.

35:06SPEAKERBut I think that's a good sweet spot.

35:09SPEAKERI feel like 32 inch seems like probably

35:12SPEAKERthe most common size for 4K screens.

35:15SPEAKERWould you say that's right?

35:16SPEAKER- And I think if you're gonna do something that big,

35:18SPEAKERyou probably want one monitor on your desk

35:19SPEAKER'cause it's gonna be, or you have to go up and down

35:22SPEAKER'cause you're gonna be looking too much left and right.

35:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:25SPEAKER- Would be my suggestion.

35:26SPEAKER- And 4K at 32 inches is quite a bit higher PPI.

35:30SPEAKERThat's like 137.

35:32SPEAKER- But then you do a 150 scaling

35:34SPEAKERand it comes back down to where you're expecting.

35:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

35:36SPEAKERAnd I'll actually, you know,

35:37SPEAKERthere are plenty of bigger 4K screens out there.

35:39SPEAKERLike people are using LG OLEDs that are TVs

35:43SPEAKERthat are what 42 inch, I think for a lot of those.

35:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I know a lot of people who use 40 inch,

35:47SPEAKER42, 40, 42 inch TVs as monitors these days,

35:50SPEAKERespecially if you're just primarily using gaming.

35:52SPEAKERIf you're doing work,

35:54SPEAKERthe benefit of having multiple monitors

35:55SPEAKERand being able to control windows

35:58SPEAKERwith more kind of granularity is better.

36:02SPEAKERDid you read the part about the KVM switches?

36:04SPEAKER- No, that's at the end.

36:05SPEAKERI will save that as a post script.

36:07SPEAKERI will say the one option you presented here,

36:09SPEAKERthe sticking with 24 inch screens, but going up to 1440p,

36:13SPEAKERI can't speak for you.

36:14SPEAKERThat would drive me nuts because your brain

36:16SPEAKERis going to be seeing the same size screen you're used to,

36:18SPEAKERbut everything's gonna be much smaller.

36:20SPEAKER- I don't think that would bother me.

36:21SPEAKERI just-

36:22SPEAKER- I mean, you would get used to it,

36:23SPEAKERbut I think I would much rather get both a size

36:27SPEAKERand resolution bump at the same time, personally.

36:30SPEAKEROkay, post script.

36:31SPEAKERAre there any particular KVM switches you like?

36:34SPEAKERIs it worth upgrading from a basic one?

36:36SPEAKER- So I don't like KVM switches just 'cause they add latency

36:40SPEAKERbetween your keyboard and mouse

36:41SPEAKERand your monitors to the PCs.

36:46SPEAKERSo I generally switch inputs on the monitor

36:49SPEAKERand then use a software KVM to connect.

36:52SPEAKERI know sometimes you're in a work situation

36:54SPEAKERwhere that's not possible.

36:56SPEAKERSo you can't install the software KVM software

36:58SPEAKERon your desktop, on your work PC,

37:00SPEAKERbecause it's maybe lower level than the security folks

37:02SPEAKERwant you to install stuff.

37:04SPEAKERSo I just get a USB switch.

37:07SPEAKERSo a KVM works as like an emulator

37:10SPEAKERwhere it takes input from your keyboard and mouse

37:13SPEAKERand then runs that through basically

37:17SPEAKERa small microcontroller that makes a fake keyboard mouse

37:20SPEAKERthat's connected to multiple PCs at the same time.

37:23SPEAKERThe switch disconnects and reconnects each one,

37:26SPEAKERjust like you're unplugging and plugging USB devices.

37:28SPEAKERThey're generally a little bit cheaper

37:31SPEAKERand there's no latency

37:32SPEAKERbecause it's just a straight pass through.

37:34SPEAKERAnd then you switch the inputs on your monitor,

37:36SPEAKEReither using the buttons or if your monitor supports it,

37:39SPEAKERyou can use control my monitor.

37:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:41SPEAKERI've always found KVM to be one of the more amusing acronyms

37:45SPEAKERin computing.

37:47SPEAKER- I don't know what the V is, video.

37:48SPEAKER- It's video, right?

37:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:50SPEAKER- When you say it out loud, it doesn't make much sense.

37:53SPEAKERKeyboard, video, mouse, like.

37:55SPEAKER- It should be VKM or KMV, right?

37:58SPEAKER- Yeah, then you wouldn't confuse it

37:59SPEAKERwith a kernel virtual machine.

38:01SPEAKER- Yeah, no.

38:02SPEAKER- The Linux virtualization layer.

38:04SPEAKER- Comes up all the time for me.

38:05SPEAKER- Yeah, right, it does for me.

38:09SPEAKER- IO gear makes those USB switches, just FYI.

38:12SPEAKERAnd you probably, USB three if you're using a RGB keyboard

38:16SPEAKER'cause the USB two ones won't provide enough power.

38:19SPEAKER- Oh man, I should not bring this up.

38:20SPEAKERI don't know why the last couple of days

38:22SPEAKERbefore I left on this fairly lengthy trip,

38:26SPEAKERI started looking real closely

38:27SPEAKERat mechanical keyboards again.

38:29SPEAKER- I got Adam working on it.

38:31SPEAKERWe're gonna build one at PC where we wanna come over

38:33SPEAKERand like a PC keyboard building party sometime.

38:36SPEAKER- Like from scratch?

38:37SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know.

38:38SPEAKERI think probably do some soldering,

38:39SPEAKERput some switches on, maybe not soldering switches,

38:42SPEAKERprobably hotswappable switches, but yeah.

38:45SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, that sounds fun.

38:46SPEAKERI mean, I was just looking at like a $100 Keychron

38:49SPEAKERor something.

38:50SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a great place to start.

38:52SPEAKERYeah, just so you know,

38:55SPEAKERyou don't want soldered on switches anymore

38:57SPEAKER'cause you wanna be able to change your switches, right?

38:58SPEAKER- Okay, I'll have to check.

39:00SPEAKERI can't remember if these.

39:01SPEAKER- The Keychrons are all hotswappable

39:02SPEAKERif you're buying a new one, I believe.

39:03SPEAKER- Okay, even low profile?

39:05SPEAKERThat's another question that I'm pondering is--

39:07SPEAKER- Don't buy low profile switches.

39:08SPEAKER- Why?

39:09SPEAKER'Cause there's not, the switch variety is minuscule

39:12SPEAKERcompared to like the types and loudness

39:16SPEAKERand characteristics of the switches that are available

39:18SPEAKERis much lower in the low profile than in the full height.

39:22SPEAKER- Do low profile keys also imply low profile switches?

39:25SPEAKEROr can you have like, can you have low profile keys

39:28SPEAKERwith regular switches or no?

39:31SPEAKER- I mean, you could probably,

39:33SPEAKERI'm sure someone has done this.

39:35SPEAKERGenerally speaking, low profile means switches

39:38SPEAKERand keycaps together, not just switches or keycaps.

39:43SPEAKER- Okay, if I decide to go through with this,

39:45SPEAKERI will spend a lot of time in the keyboard channel

39:46SPEAKERon the Discord before I pull the triggers.

39:50SPEAKER- They will give you good advice.

39:51SPEAKER- Yes, they definitely, they already have

39:53SPEAKERand definitely will give more.

39:55SPEAKERWe'll move on, the last thing I'll say,

39:57SPEAKERthe thing that actually got me

39:58SPEAKERis I thought all mechanical keyboards

40:00SPEAKERtypically were Bluetooth.

40:02SPEAKER- No.

40:03SPEAKER- I had no idea how many of them are doing

40:04SPEAKERlike 2.4 gigahertz with their own dongles.

40:08SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

40:08SPEAKER- And the thing there is I'm really sick

40:11SPEAKERof having to get a wired keyboard out

40:13SPEAKERevery time I go into the BIOS or into Clonezilla

40:16SPEAKERor anything that's not Windows.

40:18SPEAKER- Oh, 'cause your Mac keyboard doesn't have Bluetooth support.

40:21SPEAKER- No, it is Bluetooth.

40:22SPEAKER- No, like you're not,

40:24SPEAKERbut it doesn't speak the Windows pairing,

40:27SPEAKERpre-OS pairing stuff.

40:29SPEAKER- Well, no, I mean, it pairs fine to Windows.

40:31SPEAKERThe point is like, it doesn't work in the BIOS or--

40:33SPEAKER- So that's a limitation of the Mac keyboard.

40:35SPEAKERThat's a Bluetooth feature that Mac keyboards don't support

40:38SPEAKER'cause they do their own proprietary bullshit.

40:40SPEAKERIf you have a real Bluetooth keyboard,

40:43SPEAKERthat's, if you have a properly configured

40:45SPEAKERBluetooth keyboard, you should be able to pair it

40:47SPEAKERwith the Bluetooth dongle on your device

40:49SPEAKERin such a way that it pairs outside of the OS in the BIOS.

40:53SPEAKER- Like in the BIOS?

40:54SPEAKEROh, I didn't know they did that.

40:54SPEAKER- That's one of the things you don't get

40:55SPEAKERif you use the Mac keyboard on Windows.

40:57SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I've stuck with that thing

40:59SPEAKER'cause it's so quiet to type on

41:01SPEAKERwhile you have an open mic next to you,

41:02SPEAKERbut I don't know, think about it.

41:05SPEAKER- Like the explosion of switch configurations

41:09SPEAKERmeans you can get switches that are maybe not as quiet

41:12SPEAKERas a plastic dome keyboard, but damn near close.

41:16SPEAKER- Sure.

41:19SPEAKERQuestion from Cakebatter.

41:21SPEAKERAs two people that live in commuting distance

41:23SPEAKERof the Salesforce tower,

41:24SPEAKERcan you explain what Salesforce does?

41:26SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, this is easy.

41:28SPEAKER- I don't know that.

41:28SPEAKERI mean, I could give you a messy, vague half guest

41:32SPEAKERanswer, but go ahead.

41:34SPEAKER- Salesforce provides customer

41:35SPEAKERrelationship management software.

41:37SPEAKERSo if you are a salesperson,

41:40SPEAKERin the old days, you had this thing called Act,

41:42SPEAKERand what Act was was a list of all of your sales contacts

41:45SPEAKERand all of the people that you worked with,

41:47SPEAKERand it gave you places to put information

41:49SPEAKERlike what products they order

41:52SPEAKERand how, when their busy season is

41:55SPEAKERand what their kids' names are and how old they are

41:58SPEAKERand stuff like that so that when you,

42:00SPEAKERand when you should call them next,

42:02SPEAKERso that then you would hit a button

42:04SPEAKERand you'd log into your computer in the morning

42:07SPEAKERand be like, okay, today you need to call these eight people

42:09SPEAKERand it lets you manage relationships

42:11SPEAKERwith dozens, hundreds, thousands of customers

42:15SPEAKERin a way that was really difficult.

42:16SPEAKERMy father, this was the thing that convinced my father

42:18SPEAKERthat computers were not just stupid things

42:20SPEAKERto play Super Mario Brothers on in the 90s,

42:22SPEAKERin the early 90s.

42:28SPEAKERNow, the problem with Act was it ran on a local database,

42:31SPEAKERand at that time when that software was popular,

42:35SPEAKERshared databases were hard for a lot of reasons.

42:38SPEAKERSo they had a bunch of products that let you

42:40SPEAKERmaybe get that set up with four or five people

42:42SPEAKERand you could share a database

42:43SPEAKERamongst all the people that worked there,

42:45SPEAKERbut for the most part, it was designed

42:47SPEAKERto run on one computer and for one person,

42:50SPEAKERso you couldn't get the benefit of having everybody

42:51SPEAKERhaving access to everybody else's data.

42:54SPEAKERSalesforce came along and absolutely ate their lunch

42:56SPEAKERabout 15 years ago, and they built a CRM tool

43:01SPEAKERthat is the kind of industry standard,

43:02SPEAKERand then built and/or acquired a bunch of tools

43:08SPEAKERthat live around that stuff.

43:09SPEAKERSo they provide HR software and all sorts of other stuff.

43:12SPEAKERIt's all web-based cloud software,

43:16SPEAKERand it makes a phenomenal amount of money.

43:22SPEAKERI like to think that in every industry

43:24SPEAKERthere's like a LeBron James kind of caliber of person,

43:29SPEAKERso Salesforce tends to get all the LeBron James'

43:34SPEAKERof the sales world, having known a lot of people

43:37SPEAKERwho work at Salesforce because they're my friends' parents,

43:40SPEAKERmy kids' friends' parents, it's very sales guy.

43:44SPEAKERIt's like the most sales guy sales guys, so yeah.

43:47SPEAKER- Half the reason I took this question

43:48SPEAKERis because like three rows behind me flying out here

43:51SPEAKERwere a couple of Salesforce guys

43:53SPEAKERwho were chatting up the flight.

43:54SPEAKERThe flight attendants have little fold-down seats

43:56SPEAKERthat face backwards right in front of a bulkhead row.

44:00SPEAKER- Oh man, that's a trap seat, that's the worst.

44:02SPEAKER- And they end up having to talk

44:03SPEAKERto whatever passenger is there who might.

44:05SPEAKERAnyway, these Salesforce guys were really chatting up

44:08SPEAKERthe flight attendant about how big the Salesforce tower is,

44:11SPEAKERwhich I think it is, isn't it the tallest building

44:14SPEAKERin the country at the moment?

44:15SPEAKER- No, it's the tallest building in San Francisco for sure.

44:17SPEAKERI can't imagine it's bigger than Sears Tower.

44:20SPEAKER- Oh, you're probably not.

44:20SPEAKEROh yeah, you're right.

44:21SPEAKER- Well, they were, that was part of the chatting

44:23SPEAKERwas talking about how tall the tower is, anyway.

44:26SPEAKER- I mean, it looks like a, it looks like a, look,

44:31SPEAKERit looks, it's vaguely phallic is all I'll say.

44:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:37SPEAKERThey make a lot of money.

44:38SPEAKER- They make a lot of money.

44:39SPEAKER- They own Slack, I believe.

44:41SPEAKER- No.

44:42SPEAKER- Do they not?

44:43SPEAKER- Didn't Microsoft buy Slack?

44:44SPEAKER- No, I don't think so.

44:46SPEAKERMicrosoft have teams for that.

44:48SPEAKER- Oh, that's right.

44:50SPEAKERDid they buy Slack?

44:51SPEAKER- Oh, Salesforce did buy Slack, you're right.

44:53SPEAKER- Yep.

44:54SPEAKER- Wow, yeah.

44:55SPEAKERSo they buy a lot of things.

45:00SPEAKERAnd what's his name?

45:01SPEAKERAlthough he's kind of a blowhard sales guy

45:03SPEAKERseems to be generally a decent person.

45:05SPEAKER- Benioff.

45:06SPEAKER- Benioff, yeah.

45:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:08SPEAKER- I've stayed in this hospital before.

45:09SPEAKER- Oh, is that really why it's called that?

45:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:16SPEAKER- Legitimately?

45:17SPEAKER- He gave them a shitload of money.

45:18SPEAKER- Wow, enough to get a whole hospital named after you?

45:20SPEAKER- Well, I think they renamed the existing hospital

45:22SPEAKERafter him, but yeah.

45:23SPEAKER- Still, I mean, that's a lot, yes, that's a lot.

45:25SPEAKER- I mean, Zuckerberg did the same.

45:26SPEAKERLike when Zuckerberg bought General Hospital,

45:28SPEAKERthen he had to buy his own hospital.

45:30SPEAKERMaybe it was the other way around.

45:31SPEAKER- It's just the billionaire arms race of the Bay Area.

45:36SPEAKER- The Salesforce Tower is the second tallest building

45:37SPEAKERwest of the Mississippi River.

45:39SPEAKER- Oh, yes, that was exactly the factoid I heard them quote.

45:42SPEAKER- It's behind the Wilshire Grand Center in Los Angeles.

45:46SPEAKER- I believe in their telling

45:46SPEAKERit was the tallest west of the Mississippi.

45:49SPEAKER- Oh, well, they're bad at math

45:51SPEAKER'cause the Wilshire Grand is 30 feet taller.

45:53SPEAKERSuck it, Benioff.

45:55SPEAKER- I've stayed there.

45:56SPEAKERAll right, next question.

45:58SPEAKERActually, this is a twofer from,

46:00SPEAKERwe're gonna have to figure out how to say this username

46:02SPEAKERbecause they send a lot of good questions.

46:04SPEAKERMangix, Mangix, Mangix.

46:07SPEAKER- Mangix.

46:08SPEAKER- Mangix, M-A-N-G-I-X.

46:10SPEAKER- Mangix.

46:12SPEAKER- Is that a reference that I'm not getting?

46:14SPEAKER- I assume it's some sort

46:15SPEAKERof a Linux compatible operating system.

46:18SPEAKER- Oh, I hope so, I need to go look that up.

46:21SPEAKER- What's the right iPad to buy for basic web use

46:23SPEAKERand media consumption while traveling?

46:26SPEAKERMy biggest concern is for longevity

46:27SPEAKERconsidering my current one is from 2019

46:29SPEAKERand only just starting to become too slow.

46:32SPEAKERSo that's a multifaceted question.

46:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I think five plus years

46:37SPEAKERis what I would expect from an iPad.

46:39SPEAKERLike I would expect as much as they cost now,

46:41SPEAKERI would expect like laptop longevity from them,

46:44SPEAKERwhich I think for me five years is a laptop lifespan.

46:47SPEAKER- Yes, although because you mentioned longevity,

46:51SPEAKERI feel like it makes it more complicated

46:52SPEAKER'cause what do we have?

46:53SPEAKERGood for traveling, only for basic uses

46:56SPEAKERlike web browsing and email, needs to last a long time.

47:00SPEAKERI mean like for traveling and very basic usage,

47:04SPEAKERsomething like an iPad mini would be easy to recommend,

47:07SPEAKERbut I don't know that an iPad mini

47:08SPEAKERis gonna last especially long.

47:10SPEAKER- I mean, it's an A15 on the iPad mini,

47:13SPEAKERso it's basically gonna last as long as your phone does,

47:16SPEAKERwhich is, I would expect five years.

47:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I will say, although this is not a perfect example,

47:21SPEAKERbut I have an iPad Pro from 2017, I wanna say it is,

47:26SPEAKERand it's still going perfectly fine.

47:28SPEAKERLike the battery's-- - Do you use it a lot?

47:30SPEAKER- Constantly, daily. - Okay.

47:33SPEAKER- I'm using it as a second monitor here

47:35SPEAKERas we record this podcast with this laptop.

47:38SPEAKERThe battery's starting to show age for sure,

47:40SPEAKERbut like it still feels quite snappy.

47:41SPEAKERGranted, I think that was before they moved the M chips

47:46SPEAKERin the pros, I'm pretty sure it still got an A chip in it.

47:49SPEAKERTo be fair-- - Is it an AX or something

47:51SPEAKERis what they did back then, I think.

47:51SPEAKER- I can't remember, it's the last iPad Pro with home button.

47:56SPEAKERI will say, this is absolutely a frill.

47:59SPEAKERYou don't necessarily need this for what you're talking about

48:01SPEAKERbut the promotion screen on the iPad,

48:03SPEAKERI could not give it up at this point.

48:06SPEAKER- So that's the high refresh rate HDR, right?

48:09SPEAKERYeah.

48:10SPEAKER- Well, this one doesn't have HDR, but the motion,

48:12SPEAKERactually, I meant to say that about the person asking

48:14SPEAKERabout monitor upgrades and saying they were fine with 60 hertz

48:17SPEAKERdon't discount, I would not discount how much 120 hertz

48:21SPEAKERor higher is nice just on desktop and productivity stuff.

48:24SPEAKERLike I find the extra smoothness to be very nice

48:27SPEAKERjust for plain old gooey stuff here.

48:29SPEAKERBut anyway, this is like, this is tough to answer

48:32SPEAKERbecause you want portability

48:34SPEAKERand you don't need a lot of processing power

48:36SPEAKERbut you also want it to have longevity.

48:40SPEAKER- So, okay, if you were using,

48:42SPEAKERso I use my iPad as a laptop replacement, basically,

48:45SPEAKERwhich is a little bit different market.

48:46SPEAKERI think that the low end, the iPad iPad

48:49SPEAKERis not necessarily a great buy

48:51SPEAKER'cause the one that's $450,

48:53SPEAKERwhich seems like a very reasonable price

48:55SPEAKERis only 64 gigs of storage,

48:57SPEAKERwhich is firmly not enough for an iPad

49:00SPEAKERthat you're not just using connected

49:02SPEAKERto the internet all the time.

49:03SPEAKER- Apple really loves to skirt like insulting territory

49:07SPEAKERon their storage options, like it's crazy.

49:09SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's to go to 256 gigs on that iPad,

49:14SPEAKERI think it's 150 or $200 bump.

49:17SPEAKERIt's from 449 to 599, so 150 bucks extra

49:22SPEAKERto get to 256 gigs.

49:24SPEAKER- Speaking of insulting.

49:25SPEAKER- To me, that is a hard no.

49:28SPEAKERI think the mini, I was looking at it,

49:30SPEAKERI was like, how big is the mini screen?

49:31SPEAKERHow big is the old iPad?

49:33SPEAKERYeah, like how big was the original 10 inch iPad screen?

49:37SPEAKERAnd the mini screen is about eight and a half inches now

49:39SPEAKER'cause they've gotten rid of the bezel almost entirely.

49:41SPEAKERThe old iPad iPad, the original first wave

49:45SPEAKERwith the buttons all the way through

49:47SPEAKERwere nine and a half inches.

49:49SPEAKERSo it's almost, but not quite the same size screen

49:53SPEAKERon the mini as it used to be.

49:54SPEAKERIt's a retina display.

49:56SPEAKERThey don't do the high refresh rate

49:57SPEAKERand it doesn't do the, it doesn't do the,

50:01SPEAKERit doesn't do HD, sorry, it does,

50:02SPEAKERit is the high refresh rate, it is not the HDR

50:06SPEAKER'cause it's liquid retina,

50:07SPEAKERwhich I believe means it's the fast one.

50:10SPEAKER- No, it needs to have ProMotion to have high refresh.

50:13SPEAKER- What is liquid, what the fuck does liquid retina mean then?

50:16SPEAKER- You got me, man.

50:17SPEAKER- Okay.

50:18SPEAKER- Your screen can turn into a killer police officer.

50:21SPEAKER- I mean, that would be cool.

50:22SPEAKERI would take that if my iPad could morph.

50:25SPEAKERThe benefit of it is it's small enough

50:27SPEAKERit fits in your back pocket basically.

50:28SPEAKERLike if you wear jeans, you can jam it in there.

50:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if the iPad is the air worth looking at

50:34SPEAKER'cause it does have an M1.

50:35SPEAKERThe Pros are on an M2 now,

50:37SPEAKERbut like I wonder if the air starts at 599.

50:40SPEAKERI don't, they don't say what storage that is here.

50:42SPEAKER- So I think the, they, I think the air starts at 128

50:47SPEAKERis when I look at last.

50:48SPEAKER- Oh no, actually it's 64 for 599, about 64.

50:50SPEAKERSo that's also a hard no probably

50:52SPEAKER'cause you're at 749 to get to 256

50:55SPEAKERand Apple products are nice and boy does buying them suck.

50:59SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's, well, I mean, it's hard

51:02SPEAKER'cause they last, like I feel good

51:03SPEAKERabout how long my Pro has lasted at this point.

51:06SPEAKERI've seen multiple more years in it for me.

51:09SPEAKERThe 256 gig mini is 650 bucks.

51:12SPEAKERSo it's a hundred bucks more to get the air.

51:15SPEAKERIf you feel like the extra two inches of screen

51:16SPEAKERis worth it, then go for it.

51:18SPEAKERThe battery will probably also last longer in the air

51:19SPEAKER'cause it's bigger, can hold a bigger battery.

51:22SPEAKERThe one nice thing about both of these now

51:24SPEAKERis that they support the second gen Apple Pencil.

51:30SPEAKERSo you can, you get the no touch drawing

51:33SPEAKERand stuff like that if you want that,

51:34SPEAKERwhich is nice for a hundred bucks more

51:36SPEAKERor whatever it is they charge for the Pencil.

51:38SPEAKER- Yeah, all right, the other question from this user

51:42SPEAKERwhose name I will no longer try to pronounce.

51:45SPEAKERWhy doesn't Windows 11 have the game suspend feature

51:47SPEAKERfrom the Xbox?

51:49SPEAKERAre there any methods to get the same quick game resume?

51:53SPEAKEREven if I had to reconnect to a server

51:55SPEAKERthat's still bound to be faster

51:56SPEAKERthan sitting through minutes of forced developer logos.

52:00SPEAKERMy assumption is that it's done on the Xbox

52:03SPEAKERbecause that's a fixed platform

52:04SPEAKERwith a very specific set of development libraries,

52:07SPEAKERSDK, et cetera, et cetera.

52:09SPEAKERAnd so you can do things like that

52:10SPEAKERwhen you're controlling that much of the environment

52:12SPEAKERand that the different combinations of storage.

52:16SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, the sheer range of different drivers

52:21SPEAKERand run times and middleware and engines

52:25SPEAKERand you name it on the PC,

52:26SPEAKERit probably is just impossible to account

52:28SPEAKERfor all the edge cases of things that wouldn't work right

52:31SPEAKERif they tried to implement that there.

52:32SPEAKERThat's just my guess.

52:34SPEAKER- And resuming state is harder

52:35SPEAKERbecause your memory layouts and stuff

52:38SPEAKERmay be different on your Windows machine

52:40SPEAKERbased on what you have running.

52:41SPEAKERWith the Xbox, it's basically only the OS

52:44SPEAKERand the application.

52:45SPEAKERSo they know that this giant chunk of RAM

52:48SPEAKERis always gonna be available

52:49SPEAKERif you're trying to load a game.

52:51SPEAKER- Yes.

52:52SPEAKER- The other, for what it's worth,

52:56SPEAKERthat feature is an incredible pain in the ass to get working.

52:59SPEAKER- Really?

52:59SPEAKER- It is challenging.

53:00SPEAKER- Oh, and I didn't think about it.

53:01SPEAKERYou guys would've worked on that 'cause--

53:03SPEAKER- Well, we didn't 'cause it's a multiplayer game,

53:04SPEAKERso we were exempt.

53:05SPEAKER- Oh, oh, is that part of the TCR?

53:07SPEAKERI didn't realize that.

53:08SPEAKER- 'Cause if you have to connect to a server

53:10SPEAKERand you're playing multiplayer,

53:11SPEAKERthen the requirement is to dump you back

53:14SPEAKERto the login prompt, not to the game.

53:17SPEAKERThe other answer is that on Windows 11,

53:20SPEAKERall decent, on the consoles,

53:23SPEAKERyou're required to show those logos.

53:28SPEAKEROn Windows, there's no cert requirement for that,

53:30SPEAKERso there's no reason for you to do that.

53:32SPEAKERYou should let people key through those,

53:33SPEAKERand then it's not a problem.

53:35SPEAKER- Yeah, they should.

53:37SPEAKER- They should.

53:38SPEAKEROnly bad developers make you watch those logos,

53:40SPEAKERor sometimes they're hiding stuff.

53:43SPEAKERA lot of games generate shaders on every runtime,

53:47SPEAKERand it'll hide it in that time.

53:48SPEAKER- Yeah, it's one of the quiet, great things about the PS5.

53:53SPEAKERI love, I hope consoles aren't actually dying

53:56SPEAKERlike people think they are,

53:57SPEAKERbut one of my favorite things about game consoles,

53:59SPEAKERevery time a new generation comes out,

54:01SPEAKERis seeing all the little features

54:03SPEAKERthat often don't even have a name and barely get promoted,

54:06SPEAKERbut that somebody on the console team thought of

54:09SPEAKERto make your experience 2% better with that console.

54:12SPEAKEROne of those on the PS5, it doesn't always work right,

54:15SPEAKERbut, or it seems to reset every so often,

54:17SPEAKERbut the PS5 will remember

54:19SPEAKERif you have watched all those logos.

54:21SPEAKER- Oh, thank God.

54:22SPEAKER- Intro stuff.

54:23SPEAKERAnd then for at least some number of days,

54:25SPEAKERor even maybe weeks, you won't see them again.

54:28SPEAKERThat especially goes for like first-party stuff.

54:30SPEAKERLike there's a ton of stuff

54:31SPEAKERthat the first time you boot it up on a PS5,

54:32SPEAKERyou'll see five different logos,

54:34SPEAKERand then from thereafter, like basically none.

54:37SPEAKER- Yeah, like the whole thing is

54:39SPEAKERthe sooner you get people in the game,

54:40SPEAKERthe more likely they are to play your game, right?

54:43SPEAKERAnytime Nintendo's the biggest criminal on this space,

54:46SPEAKERas far as I'm concerned, 'cause man, they will,

54:50SPEAKERit takes six minutes to get from the launch screen,

54:53SPEAKERfrom hitting the button on the desktop

54:54SPEAKERinto an actual Animal Crossing island, I think.

54:59SPEAKER- Let's see.

55:00SPEAKERThis question is from roughly the October timeframe.

55:04SPEAKERSo the username is Spooky Actual,

55:06SPEAKERwhich may no longer be in effect.

55:08SPEAKER- Okay.

55:09SPEAKER- But you know who you are.

55:10SPEAKER- Yeah, we know who they are.

55:11SPEAKER- I was going to do a PC upgrade

55:13SPEAKERas the 2020 lockdown started, and those plans got derailed.

55:17SPEAKERNow I'm still on a 2014 era Core i5,

55:20SPEAKERand I'm starting to figure out

55:21SPEAKERwhat my next PC is going to be.

55:23SPEAKERAnd the recent episode about Intel's new stuff

55:25SPEAKERhas me wondering if I should wait a bit longer.

55:27SPEAKERThis, again, this is from end of September last year.

55:31SPEAKERAnyway.

55:31SPEAKER- It's only gotten worse.

55:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

55:33SPEAKERDo I get the latest stuff?

55:35SPEAKERDo I get the best of the last generation

55:37SPEAKERis waiting for the second generation

55:38SPEAKERof the new architecture or the right move?

55:40SPEAKERI feel like this may not be super timely

55:43SPEAKERfor this person in particular here,

55:45SPEAKERbut this is a good time to just talk about

55:47SPEAKERhow our philosophies have evolved

55:48SPEAKERabout when to upgrade and to what,

55:50SPEAKERespecially with the travails we have both experienced

55:54SPEAKERin the last couple of years.

55:55SPEAKEROkay, do I get the latest stuff?

55:57SPEAKERDo I get the best of the last generation

55:58SPEAKERis waiting for the second generation

56:00SPEAKERof the new architecture or the right move?

56:01SPEAKERI will never early adopt PC stuff again, personally.

56:05SPEAKER- So I think the mistake is to buy

56:09SPEAKERthe high-end stuff, honestly.

56:11SPEAKER- Really?

56:11SPEAKERWell, for normal users, yes, absolutely.

56:13SPEAKER- I think, honestly, even for me,

56:16SPEAKERlike I've switched to a,

56:17SPEAKERwhile I'm waiting for the 13900K

56:19SPEAKERto come back from warranty again,

56:20SPEAKERI'm using a 14700,

56:22SPEAKERand it is indistinguishable in everything

56:26SPEAKERexcept for like two things I do from the 14900K.

56:29SPEAKERIt runs cooler, it's more stable,

56:32SPEAKERlike there's no reason to buy one of those 900 parts.

56:36SPEAKER- Oh yeah, you see that in sales trends.

56:40SPEAKER- Well, and the benchmarks.

56:41SPEAKERThe benchmarks, like the bars are bigger, but not by much.

56:44SPEAKER- Right, right.

56:45SPEAKEROn the Intel side, it's the i5s and i7s

56:47SPEAKERare the bulk of the sales to gamers

56:49SPEAKERand people who want some performance,

56:51SPEAKERbut don't need an i9.

56:52SPEAKERAnd on AMD, it's like the 5800s, 7800s.

56:55SPEAKERIt's always the sweet spot of like high-end,

56:58SPEAKERbut not all the way high-end that people get.

57:01SPEAKERBut as far as like when to buy in,

57:06SPEAKERI definitely will not buy into the first generation

57:09SPEAKERof a socket and a chip set again,

57:12SPEAKERnor the first generation of a major,

57:14SPEAKERmajor new chip redesign.

57:15SPEAKERLike for example, Intel's kind of tile stuff.

57:18SPEAKER- Upcoming Meteor Lake, yeah.

57:19SPEAKER- Yeah, Meteor Lake is, it's only in laptops.

57:21SPEAKERI think Aero Lake, this should be later this year.

57:24SPEAKERIt's supposed to be the first desktop part with tiles,

57:26SPEAKERwhich are like their equivalent of chiplets

57:28SPEAKERfrom the AMD world.

57:29SPEAKERLike I would not, no offense to Intel,

57:31SPEAKERI would not touch their first tile part on the desktop

57:33SPEAKERwith a 10-foot pole.

57:35SPEAKER- Yeah, and, but I mean, the unfortunate thing about

57:38SPEAKERat least the Intel stuff, the problems that I had

57:41SPEAKERis I don't think Intel did a whole lot wrong.

57:44SPEAKERIt's mostly on the motherboard vendors.

57:46SPEAKERSame thing on the AMD side too.

57:48SPEAKERLike they're just dumping too much power in these

57:49SPEAKERso that their motherboards are 3% faster,

57:52SPEAKER3/10 of a percent faster in benchmarks than everybody else's.

57:55SPEAKER- Yeah, well, like the emulating AMD CPU stuff

57:59SPEAKERturned out to seem like it was partially AMD's fault,

58:01SPEAKERpartially the board vendor's fault, for example.

58:03SPEAKERBut that was a new generation chip, for example.

58:06SPEAKERLike that's just a kink that had not gotten worked out.

58:09SPEAKER- I mean, the thing, did they make it right

58:11SPEAKERwith people who were affected?

58:13SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it was a very small number of people

58:15SPEAKERwhose CPUs actually burned.

58:18SPEAKERI mean, the gray area was how many people's CPUs

58:20SPEAKERwere being subjected to way, way too high voltage,

58:22SPEAKERbut didn't die, but were being degraded slowly.

58:25SPEAKER- Well, that's always a problem, yeah.

58:26SPEAKER- Last time, but they did issue emergency BIOS updates

58:30SPEAKERimmediately to correct the high voltage stuff.

58:34SPEAKERI'm trying to think like a general rule here.

58:37SPEAKERLike if it's a new socket, I would wait for at least

58:40SPEAKERthe second gen of chips and boards.

58:43SPEAKER- But often on Intel's side,

58:44SPEAKERthere's no second gen for sockets.

58:47SPEAKER- I wonder, so that changed in the last couple.

58:49SPEAKERAnd I wonder if now AMD is forcing their hand

58:52SPEAKERwhere that's just gonna,

58:52SPEAKERdo you think they're going back to one chip, one socket?

58:56SPEAKER- That's just because they had released

58:58SPEAKERthe same architecture three times in a row.

58:59SPEAKER- You think so? - Yeah.

59:01SPEAKER- I thought the one before 1700 also was multi-chip per--

59:05SPEAKER- I would not assume you're gonna see multiple years

59:09SPEAKERof the same sockets and the same chips from Intel.

59:11SPEAKER- Yeah, well, Intel had had less problems

59:15SPEAKERper socket, per-- - Fair.

59:17SPEAKER- Per chips at than AMD, I would say.

59:20SPEAKERAt any rate, I would say like,

59:23SPEAKERjust wait for stuff mature in general.

59:25SPEAKERAnd I actually think I'm even going to in the future,

59:29SPEAKEReven if it's on a kind of more mature generation

59:31SPEAKERof something, I'm not even gonna buy it

59:33SPEAKERlike the month it comes out.

59:34SPEAKERI feel like I'm gonna wait at least halfway

59:36SPEAKERthrough that cycle, which typically is like a year

59:38SPEAKERin the CPU motherboard world.

59:40SPEAKERLike I'd probably wait till the second half

59:42SPEAKERof that thing's lifespan to buy in,

59:44SPEAKERjust to make sure that like early samples

59:47SPEAKERthat are not great are out of the channel.

59:49SPEAKER- Well, and just to see what the problems are, right?

59:52SPEAKERLike that's the big thing.

59:54SPEAKERI actually, like if I were buying something right now,

59:57SPEAKERI think I'd do a 14700K and be pretty,

1:00:00SPEAKERit's like $350 CPU or something, it's not super expensive

1:00:04SPEAKERand it seems incredibly performant

1:00:07SPEAKERfor what you're spending.

1:00:08SPEAKER- I mean, I think like a 7800X3D is also pretty great

1:00:12SPEAKERif you do wanna go AMD and you're just doing games like that

1:00:14SPEAKER'cause that's just single die.

1:00:15SPEAKERThat's not, you're not getting into the weird split cache

1:00:17SPEAKERstuff of the bigger chips.

1:00:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:19SPEAKER- And if you get a good proven board without issues,

1:00:23SPEAKERyou're probably fine there as well.

1:00:24SPEAKERBut yeah, I'm excited to see what CPUs do

1:00:28SPEAKERin the next three years, five years, I'd say.

1:00:32SPEAKER- Yeah, my hope is that the next time

1:00:34SPEAKERthat we're in an upgrading kind of mind frame,

1:00:37SPEAKERthings will be a little more clear.

1:00:38SPEAKERThis is, for what it's worth,

1:00:40SPEAKERthis is the most kind of up in the air

1:00:42SPEAKERthe CPU world has been in my,

1:00:45SPEAKERlike since the end of the Pentium 4, basically.

1:00:48SPEAKERLike it's a little buck wild out there right now.

1:00:50SPEAKER- Right, like since we went to multi core, right?

1:00:53SPEAKER- Yeah, since Nehalem, since the high end,

1:00:57SPEAKERlike the end of the Pentium 4 where they were approaching

1:00:59SPEAKERfour gigahertz and like the CPUs were on fire basically

1:01:03SPEAKER'cause they were generating so much heat,

1:01:04SPEAKERpumping so much power through them.

1:01:06SPEAKERAnd we were, it was unclear,

1:01:11SPEAKERlike you were spending a lot of energy

1:01:13SPEAKERto get a good performance, but the AMD side was better,

1:01:16SPEAKERbut there was some optimization problems with compilers

1:01:18SPEAKER'cause they were early on multi core.

1:01:19SPEAKERAnd like, it was just, yeah,

1:01:22SPEAKERlike it's generally there's a pretty clear,

1:01:25SPEAKERhey, this is the right choice.

1:01:26SPEAKERAnd right now there isn't one, which is the weird thing.

1:01:29SPEAKERLike you have to look at how much power is being used

1:01:31SPEAKERand what you use your computer for.

1:01:33SPEAKERAnd you have to think about it a little bit more

1:01:34SPEAKERthan you have in the past.

1:01:35SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:01:36SPEAKERThere's a lot of weird paradigm shift stuff going on,

1:01:39SPEAKERlike big and little cores on the same package,

1:01:41SPEAKERthis kind of like componentized or modular design

1:01:44SPEAKERwith the chiplets all on the same, you know what I mean?

1:01:47SPEAKERLike there's just a lot of weird new stuff

1:01:50SPEAKERphilosophically happening on the CPU lately,

1:01:53SPEAKERneural processing units, all kinds of weird stuff.

1:01:55SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a lot of weird stuff.

1:01:57SPEAKER- Gonna take some time to iron out.

1:02:00SPEAKERSo yeah, I would get something proven

1:02:01SPEAKERif you're still upgrading now.

1:02:05SPEAKERLet's see, let's do a couple more real quick cake batters

1:02:08SPEAKERand then get out of here.

1:02:09SPEAKER- Can we do this tasty sandwich one?

1:02:11SPEAKER- Ah, sure.

1:02:12SPEAKER- Okay.

1:02:13SPEAKER- Let me find it.

1:02:17SPEAKERThat's a tasty sandwich.

1:02:19SPEAKEROh yes, yes, I'm sorry.

1:02:20SPEAKERI did want to do this one.

1:02:23SPEAKERWith rumors of a stripped down version of Windows

1:02:24SPEAKERfor portable gaming PCs in the works,

1:02:26SPEAKERhow likely are we to see an Xbox branded handheld

1:02:32SPEAKERsometime in the future, either from Microsoft themselves

1:02:35SPEAKERor from an official partner?

1:02:36SPEAKER- This is from the end of February before the GDC comments

1:02:39SPEAKERthat Phil Spencer made that stopped short of saying,

1:02:41SPEAKER"Hey, we are making a handheld," but did imply their,

1:02:44SPEAKERyou know, he was like, "Our hardware group is always-"

1:02:46SPEAKER- He gave a lot of winks, yeah.

1:02:48SPEAKER- Yeah, our hardware group is always looking

1:02:50SPEAKERat what products we might be able

1:02:51SPEAKERto bring to market in the future.

1:02:52SPEAKERBut he also did the whole like,

1:02:55SPEAKER"I would like to see the Lenovo

1:02:57SPEAKERand the Seuss handhelds be Xboxes."

1:02:59SPEAKERLike he also did the,

1:03:00SPEAKER"Hey, we would like to get our middleware,

1:03:02SPEAKERour Xbox ecosystem onto other handhelds."

1:03:05SPEAKERSo it doesn't guarantee

1:03:06SPEAKERthey're gonna make an Xbox brand handheld,

1:03:08SPEAKERbut it certainly seems more likely now than it did.

1:03:11SPEAKER- I will tell you, those handhelds would be infinitely

1:03:13SPEAKERbetter if there was an Xbox button on them

1:03:16SPEAKERthat could be used for Xbox button things on Windows.

1:03:20SPEAKERWe can talk about it.

1:03:21SPEAKER- Oh, whoa.

1:03:22SPEAKER- Like the Steam and Windows and the Xbox app on Windows

1:03:28SPEAKERboth use the Xbox button for things

1:03:31SPEAKERthat would be incredibly useful on a handheld device

1:03:33SPEAKERthat runs Windows.

1:03:34SPEAKER- Oh, I see what you mean.

1:03:35SPEAKER- Okay.

1:03:36SPEAKER- And most of those buttons don't,

1:03:37SPEAKERmost of those things don't have that

1:03:39SPEAKERor you have to bind it specifically

1:03:40SPEAKERand like the out of the box is real bad on them.

1:03:42SPEAKER- Sure.

1:03:43SPEAKERMaybe this is more a question at this point

1:03:45SPEAKERabout what a gaming-focused portable Windows

1:03:48SPEAKERshould be then, actually.

1:03:50SPEAKER- So Adam over at PCWorld and I talked

1:03:53SPEAKERabout this on our video a few weeks ago.

1:03:54SPEAKERJeff Grubb of giantbomb.com,

1:03:57SPEAKERyou may be familiar with that site, Brad.

1:03:59SPEAKER- Heard of it.

1:04:00SPEAKER- Has gone on the record as saying

1:04:01SPEAKERthat the Steam Deck is the only handheld for him

1:04:04SPEAKERbecause it's easy to use and it like doesn't require

1:04:07SPEAKERa lot of futzing within the way

1:04:08SPEAKERthat the Windows ones all do, basically.

1:04:12SPEAKERAnd we were talking about,

1:04:14SPEAKERwe were specifically talking about that.

1:04:15SPEAKERI spent a lot of time with the Steam Deck

1:04:18SPEAKERbut not a lot with the Windows machines.

1:04:19SPEAKERAnd I took a different Windows machine home

1:04:22SPEAKERfor three or four weeks.

1:04:23SPEAKERSo I got some time with the kind of breadth

1:04:25SPEAKERof the Windows side of that platform,

1:04:28SPEAKERwhich is the Asus Ally, the Lenovo,

1:04:31SPEAKERI can't remember what this is called,

1:04:31SPEAKERbut it's a giant chunky boy.

1:04:34SPEAKERI use the MSI one that uses the Intel GPU a little bit

1:04:39SPEAKERand some of the INEOS and stuff out of China a little bit.

1:04:42SPEAKER- Sure, Lenovo Legion GO.

1:04:44SPEAKER- Legion GO, thank you.

1:04:47SPEAKERLike the big thing, so Microsoft is gonna,

1:04:52SPEAKERif they're gonna do this, it's gonna be something

1:04:54SPEAKERthat's like, hey, you can play your PC games here.

1:04:57SPEAKERAnd it's like their contribution to it is

1:05:01SPEAKERwe need a decent front end for this

1:05:03SPEAKERthat doesn't require you to use the Windows desktop

1:05:04SPEAKERon these little screens with a touch screen.

1:05:08SPEAKERAnd they need to not charge the vendors for the OS, right?

1:05:12SPEAKERBecause they're competing with Valve

1:05:14SPEAKERwho's not charging for the OS

1:05:16SPEAKERand they're running stripped down hardware.

1:05:18SPEAKERAnd a lot of the vendors that are in that space right now

1:05:21SPEAKERare doing speeds and feeds marketing.

1:05:24SPEAKERSo the Ally is a faster GPU and faster this

1:05:27SPEAKERand bigger resolution screen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:05:30SPEAKERBut those things, those numbers being bigger

1:05:33SPEAKERmakes the battery life worse, which is the number

1:05:35SPEAKERthat most people probably care about more than anything else.

1:05:37SPEAKERSo like having a 1080p screen on one of those devices

1:05:40SPEAKERis kind of a net negative

1:05:42SPEAKER'cause you can't really see much difference

1:05:44SPEAKERand it destroys the battery life

1:05:46SPEAKERcompared to the comparable Steam Deck.

1:05:51SPEAKERSo, so yeah, like I love to see Microsoft come in

1:05:54SPEAKERand dictate, hey, here's what the battery life needs to be.

1:05:58SPEAKERHere's how heavy it needs to be.

1:05:59SPEAKERHere's what resolution screen

1:06:00SPEAKERwe're going to put on it.

1:06:01SPEAKERIt has to have HDR, this kind of stuff.

1:06:03SPEAKERAnd then either build them themselves

1:06:05SPEAKERor put out that spec

1:06:07SPEAKERand in exchange for following their hardware spec,

1:06:12SPEAKERsubsidize the Windows install for the vendors.

1:06:16SPEAKER- Okay, good answer.

1:06:18SPEAKER- Cloud, also it's going to have a lot of cloud stuff.

1:06:21SPEAKERIt would be dope to be able to play

1:06:22SPEAKERall my old Xbox 360 digital games on a Windows handheld.

1:06:26SPEAKERThat'd be cool.

1:06:27SPEAKER- And if it managed all your save games

1:06:29SPEAKERfrom other platforms for them and stuff.

1:06:31SPEAKER- Yeah, that would be amazing.

1:06:33SPEAKER- Microsoft should get on that.

1:06:35SPEAKER- It's also a tiny market for Microsoft,

1:06:37SPEAKERthough, is the other thing.

1:06:38SPEAKERLike it's like, yes, the Steam Deck is a huge success

1:06:41SPEAKERselling millions of units,

1:06:43SPEAKERbut in the Microsoft world,

1:06:44SPEAKERselling millions of units is a failure, right?

1:06:46SPEAKER- Well, sure, but they've still got,

1:06:48SPEAKERthey still got a little bit of the old Embrace Extend

1:06:50SPEAKERextinguishing them, right?

1:06:52SPEAKER- I think so, yeah.

1:06:53SPEAKER- They see an emerging market and they've got to enter it.

1:06:56SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, that is the Microsoft MO

1:06:58SPEAKERis to destroy this new market

1:07:00SPEAKERbefore it becomes a problem for them.

1:07:01SPEAKER- Yeah, all right.

1:07:03SPEAKERCake batter lightning round before we wrap up here.

1:07:05SPEAKER- Yeah, hit me.

1:07:06SPEAKER- How do you feel about restaurants serving food

1:07:08SPEAKERon a wood board instead of a plate?

1:07:10SPEAKERThat sounds like a sanitation nightmare to me.

1:07:13SPEAKER- Yeah, they wax the boards, it's fine.

1:07:15SPEAKER- Wax them?

1:07:16SPEAKER- Yeah, right, you put like a edible wax on it,

1:07:18SPEAKERlike a, you know, it's no problem.

1:07:22SPEAKER- I mean, I guess it's mainly raw meat.

1:07:24SPEAKERI've always heard you shouldn't put on

1:07:26SPEAKERwooden cutting boards.

1:07:27SPEAKER- Look, I've used a wooden cutting board exclusively

1:07:29SPEAKERfor the last like 15 years, it's fine.

1:07:31SPEAKER- Okay.

1:07:32SPEAKER- Live on the edge, man.

1:07:34SPEAKER- How do you clean it?

1:07:36SPEAKER- Huh?

1:07:37SPEAKER- How do you clean it?

1:07:37SPEAKER- Lemon juice and salt or soap and water, depending, yeah.

1:07:42SPEAKERAnd then I oil them as well so that it gives the bacteria

1:07:45SPEAKERsomething nice to eat.

1:07:47SPEAKER- I don't think I've ever been to a restaurant

1:07:48SPEAKERthat serves food on a wooden board.

1:07:50SPEAKER- It's usually something like cheese or charcuterie

1:07:52SPEAKERor stuff like that.

1:07:53SPEAKER- Oh, charcuterie, that's fine, that's totally fine.

1:07:55SPEAKER- Yeah, like, look, it's been so long

1:07:57SPEAKERsince I ate something at a restaurant

1:07:58SPEAKERthat didn't come in a styrofoam or like compostable box

1:08:02SPEAKERthat it's hard for me to say.

1:08:04SPEAKER- Sure, now I'm hungry.

1:08:09SPEAKER- Not, anything beyond a wood board

1:08:11SPEAKERis a no-go for me though.

1:08:13SPEAKER- Sure.

1:08:13SPEAKER- Like if it comes out in a shoe,

1:08:15SPEAKERI'm gonna be like, no, I don't wanna eat that.

1:08:17SPEAKER- Did you see this video that kind of blew up on Twitter

1:08:19SPEAKERof this noodle restaurant in Japan where everybody sits,

1:08:23SPEAKERthere's like a zigzagging trough of water in the restaurant

1:08:27SPEAKERand they send, they just send big clumps of noodles

1:08:30SPEAKERdown this like rushing water through the trough

1:08:32SPEAKERand people like snatch them with their chopsticks,

1:08:34SPEAKERsnatch the wads of noodles as they fly by out of the water.

1:08:38SPEAKER- Is it like a dipping ramen place or something?

1:08:41SPEAKER- Yeah, so I think you would grab the noodles

1:08:42SPEAKERand like dip them into whatever you had there.

1:08:45SPEAKER- Wow.

1:08:46SPEAKER- I believe it was closed down

1:08:47SPEAKERfor some kind of mass sickness issue.

1:08:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see how that would like be a potential problem.

1:08:53SPEAKER- Yeah, but I thought that was a pretty fun,

1:08:56SPEAKERnovel way to serve food.

1:08:58SPEAKER- No, that sounds bad.

1:09:02SPEAKERIt's gonna be a no for me, I think.

1:09:04SPEAKER- Yes, okay, last question.

1:09:07SPEAKERDo I buy a clapper switch and put it on the lamps?

1:09:10SPEAKER- Sure.

1:09:11SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.

1:09:12SPEAKER- I'd clap on and clap off the clapper.

1:09:14SPEAKER- Yeah, like this actually made me wonder

1:09:16SPEAKERwith like the proliferation of home automation stuff.

1:09:20SPEAKERI'm surprised there hasn't been more of a nostalgic play

1:09:22SPEAKERfor the clapper to like somebody coming out

1:09:25SPEAKERwith a wifi enabled clapper

1:09:26SPEAKERor maybe that does exist actually, I don't know.

1:09:29SPEAKER- Do you ever have a clapper?

1:09:30SPEAKER- No.

1:09:31SPEAKER- My grandmother had one, it didn't work.

1:09:33SPEAKERThat was the problem with the clapper.

1:09:34SPEAKER- Oh wow, I figured it seemed simple enough technology

1:09:37SPEAKERthat it would be fairly reliable.

1:09:38SPEAKERThat's interesting to hear.

1:09:40SPEAKER- You had to clap really loud.

1:09:42SPEAKERSo it turns out it was better to just walk over

1:09:44SPEAKERand press the button on the light.

1:09:46SPEAKER- Sure.

1:09:47SPEAKER- What I, you know what I want to return of is touch lamps.

1:09:49SPEAKERDid you ever have touch lamps when you were a kid?

1:09:51SPEAKER- No.

1:09:52SPEAKER- Oh man, touch lamps were really cool.

1:09:53SPEAKERThey were, the outside was a little electrified.

1:09:55SPEAKERYou'd touch it and it would just turn off or dim

1:09:57SPEAKERif you tapped it or held it.

1:09:59SPEAKERAnd probably, I mean,

1:10:00SPEAKERI'm sure it was probably an electrocution hazard,

1:10:02SPEAKERbut really, really neat seventies business.

1:10:05SPEAKER- That sounds fun.

1:10:06SPEAKERYou know, this occurred to me

1:10:07SPEAKERand I've pulled up the clapper Amazon listing

1:10:09SPEAKERand sure enough, this is exactly the direction they've gone.

1:10:13SPEAKERI proposed they could, there could be like full on,

1:10:15SPEAKERlike wifi enabled clappers

1:10:16SPEAKERthat might integrate with Home Assistant

1:10:18SPEAKERor they could take the tack of being like,

1:10:21SPEAKERyou don't need all that shit.

1:10:22SPEAKERWe did it first.

1:10:24SPEAKER- It has to be, yeah.

1:10:25SPEAKER- Yeah, sure enough, the way they're billing it,

1:10:28SPEAKERthe way they're billing the clapper on Amazon is,

1:10:30SPEAKERthe clapper, the original home automation.

1:10:33SPEAKER- But look, they're not wrong.

1:10:35SPEAKER- I guess not.

1:10:36SPEAKER- I will say something changed

1:10:38SPEAKERon my Home Assistant install fairly recently

1:10:40SPEAKERand it's so much faster.

1:10:45SPEAKERIt's so much faster on the voice command stuff with Siri

1:10:49SPEAKERthat like it happens immediately after I hit the command

1:10:53SPEAKERand it's better than, I'm gonna say,

1:10:56SPEAKERit's better than the clapper.

1:10:58SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

1:10:59SPEAKER- And I can whisper to my, I can be like,

1:11:01SPEAKERhey Siri, turn off the bedroom light

1:11:04SPEAKERand it'll turn off all the lights in the bedroom

1:11:06SPEAKERand like, I feel like I'm Dick Tracy

1:11:08SPEAKERtalking to my watch or something.

1:11:10SPEAKEROld man reference there, by the way.

1:11:12SPEAKER- I'm surprised the voice activation stuff,

1:11:14SPEAKERdoes that run through Home Assistant?

1:11:16SPEAKERIs that not directly just contacting

1:11:18SPEAKERyour phone OS at that point?

1:11:20SPEAKER- So if you are,

1:11:23SPEAKERif you use the HomeKit integration on Home Assistant,

1:11:27SPEAKERthen it talks directly inside the LAN to the device,

1:11:29SPEAKERit doesn't go to the cloud back is the difference.

1:11:32SPEAKER- Right, but the phone would be taking your voice input,

1:11:34SPEAKERbut it would still have to be sending the commands

1:11:36SPEAKERthrough Home Assistant and through that integration, right?

1:11:38SPEAKER- Yeah, or the watch, but it's fast.

1:11:40SPEAKERWell, I mean, the phone thinks it's talking to Apple Home,

1:11:43SPEAKERright, but the Apple Home integration is to Home Assistant,

1:11:47SPEAKERit's a fast local connection.

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1:13:03SPEAKERBrent, we will see you next week.

1:13:04SPEAKERAre we still thinking Pirates of Silicon Valley

1:13:07SPEAKERin two weeks from now maybe or ish?

1:13:09SPEAKER- Yeah, let's call it tentative based on real life.

1:13:13SPEAKER- Yes, I will just continue linking the archive.org page

1:13:17SPEAKERwith the movie and the show notes until we do that movie

1:13:20SPEAKERto give people plenty of reminders to go watch it.

1:13:22SPEAKER- I think it's more of a mini series.

1:13:23SPEAKERIsn't it like four hours or something?

1:13:24SPEAKER- No, no, it's just one movie.

1:13:26SPEAKER- Okay.

1:13:27SPEAKER- It's about an hour and a half.

1:13:28SPEAKER- I think I watched it, I'm gonna out myself here,

1:13:30SPEAKERbut I watched it first 'cause somebody gave me a video CD

1:13:33SPEAKERof it when I was working at the magazine still, so.

1:13:36SPEAKER- I would stand to reason.

1:13:37SPEAKERI checked before I went around saying,

1:13:38SPEAKER"Hey, watch this on archive.org."

1:13:40SPEAKERI checked and sure enough,

1:13:41SPEAKERit got very limited home releases.

1:13:43SPEAKER- It's not anywhere.

1:13:44SPEAKERYeah, it's like there wasn't a DVD even as far as I know.

1:13:47SPEAKER- You can't, like it's listed on places like Amazon,

1:13:49SPEAKERbut you can't actually buy or stream it.

1:13:51SPEAKERIt got a DVD release, but that was limited

1:13:52SPEAKERand never got a Blu-ray.

1:13:53SPEAKERIt was a made for TNT movie.

1:13:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I think the thing that I saw

1:13:57SPEAKERwas ripped off of a TV tuner probably.

1:14:00SPEAKERIt looked like ripped off a TV, a TiVo or something.

1:14:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I taped it off of TNT when it aired.

1:14:06SPEAKER- Here you go.

1:14:07SPEAKERSo that'll do it for us this week.

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