228: Never Forward a Port to Your Brain

00:00SPEAKERI have been thinking I sit too close because because I get a lot of breathing in there as well

00:03SPEAKERI think a lot of the habits that we established in early whiskey and game spot and maximum PC days

00:09SPEAKERProbably are bad when you have good microphones because we were using those shitty audio technica's at whiskey

00:14SPEAKERAnd those things you did have to get right up on

00:17SPEAKERThe 2020s or 2030s that was so long ago for those table mics. Those were not headsets

00:22SPEAKERThose are the ones you talk into the side on I have no memory of that. So I have one right here

00:30SPEAKERIt's my spare. It's this one. Oh, I don't think we use those. Yeah, we use them in the basement

00:35SPEAKERDid we we use them in the basement in the podcast room in the second basement the podcast studio?

00:40SPEAKERYeah, you guys we didn't you you guys got the did we start? Maybe we did. I don't know

00:47SPEAKERThat the recording up to now has not had cold open life to it. But now we're on yeah, hi

00:53SPEAKERYeah, so in the basement in Sausalito

00:56SPEAKERYou guys had an M audio interface. You had to plug your Mac into. Yes. It was really dependent on CPU performance

01:03SPEAKERWas it super important that you not do anything else on that computer while you're reporting Wow and into it?

01:08SPEAKERWe plugged a table full of audio technica at 20 20s or 2030s that are like they're pretty good

01:15SPEAKERThey're like they're firmly in the great hundred dollar hundred and fifty dollar starter mic category for me. Those are startup mics

01:21SPEAKERYeah, they're like hey, we want to get microphones, but we don't want to spend

01:26SPEAKERfour thousand dollars on them and we need like six and

01:29SPEAKERAlso, they're pretty indestructible. So I have a picture here if you want to see it. It's yeah, what pictures it's a bit grim

01:36SPEAKEROh, no, the reason we've got to find it so fast is is the photo I put on the story when Ryan passed

01:41SPEAKEROh, no, because I knew it was him sitting in that studio in that basement and oh, yeah front street with the microphone

01:47SPEAKERYeah, you can tell it's in the front seat because we were serious about safety. There's a fire extinguisher right behind it, right?

01:52SPEAKERThat's right. Man, did we really have those mics mounted upside down? Yeah, we hung them upside down

01:57SPEAKERI don't know why we did that. But that was how you guys had set it up. There's probably a reason

02:01SPEAKERI think it was that it's easier to it was easier to get the right angle on him

02:04SPEAKERSo you talk into the front of those not the top and in order to get the angle with the table mounts

02:10SPEAKERWe were using that had no shocks on them. You had to you had to tilt it

02:14SPEAKERYeah, like you had no throw on the tilt if you if you didn't have it upside down. God, that's right

02:19SPEAKERWe had to like be careful about bumping the table those things. Well, yeah

02:23SPEAKERCuz it was the I went to get that table at IKEA one day and it was literally

02:29SPEAKERThe cheapest table that we could get it's the unfinished pine

02:33SPEAKERKids play table or something. Maybe I can't remember what it is

02:36SPEAKERBut it was the wobbliest shit I've ever seen

02:39SPEAKERrickety to the point that it felt like it was going to collapse at any moment and it's also from the days when

02:45SPEAKERMike boom arms were still really expensive like the you could basically you could only get road

02:51SPEAKERthe PSA 100 or whatever the hunt the hundred-dollar one is a one PSA one. Yeah, and

02:57SPEAKERWe didn't have places to mount them all and jam as many people as we needed to fit into that room

03:01SPEAKERAnd also they cost as much as the microphones. We definitely weren't spending on money on that

03:06SPEAKERSo we I think we went and got a bunch of kick drum

03:09SPEAKERNouns, is that what those are? I think that that's what those are and they're like $18 each and guitar a center

03:16SPEAKERmusicians friend or something and

03:19SPEAKERLike as long as nobody bumped the table or touched anything then it didn't make any noise

03:23SPEAKERBut as soon as anybody like whacked the table with their leg or somebody would like every bike would rattle and you have to cut

03:28SPEAKERThat out sounds like life at a start a media startup in 2010

03:31SPEAKERIt's crazy to think how much more I mean we talk about this all the time

03:34SPEAKERbut how much more democratize that stuff has become just in the last decade plus in terms of mic stands and microphones themselves and

03:40SPEAKERaudio interfaces and everything

03:42SPEAKERYeah

03:42SPEAKERThe audio interface is the one that blows me away because back then

03:45SPEAKERTo get a decent audio interface you had to spend like the M audio was really expensive and it was really not good

03:51SPEAKERthe the like your average

03:54SPEAKERYour average scarlet or a focus right scarlet or motu or something at this point is going to be so much better and have a butt

04:01SPEAKERload of inputs and just like yeah, and and the fact that everything has SSDs now instead of hard drives also is a

04:08SPEAKERFundamentally like it back then you could if you had if you tried to record five track

04:13SPEAKERLike we could record the tested podcast as individual tracks on that M audio

04:17SPEAKERBut I think if you guys did that with the bomb cast with four people or more

04:21SPEAKERIt would choke out the hard drive eventually and you just would it would just the recording would get laggy and bad

04:26SPEAKERI think that is right. I think yeah, I feel like I want to say when we went back to CBS

04:31SPEAKERI got in their fancy recording studio like different tracks on different mics or vice versa was like a huge revelation

04:37SPEAKERIt's like oh we can record each mic on his own now being able to record each one independently

04:42SPEAKERIt turns out very convenient. Mm-hmm. But and then and then after that we got tested we got

04:49SPEAKERone of those h4s the

04:51SPEAKERlike the portable audio recorder that could do four tracks independently on an SSD card on an SD card rather and we just

04:59SPEAKERused that for everything at that point because it was really easy and I

05:02SPEAKERGet a fast USB SD card reader for my laptop and suck those files straight in. I have a revelation for you. Yes

05:09SPEAKERHello technology

05:12SPEAKERIt gets better

05:14SPEAKERMicrophones still really like those those microphones you all had at CBS still cost the same thing that they did now

05:19SPEAKERThe microphone is maybe the one exception there because the re 20 that I'm using has been the exact same since like the 60s

05:26SPEAKERYeah, and it gets a little more expensive as the cost of making it goes up

05:29SPEAKERI guess probably I used to cost like $18 and now it's 600. Yeah

05:34SPEAKER450 I think yeah, I feel like you can get those in the 400 400 500 range pretty consistently

05:40SPEAKERIt's a hell of a mic and and and it's beige which I like that's right

05:44SPEAKERthey have a black one now that like they belatedly like just in the last few years rolled out a black one for streamers, but I

05:50SPEAKERDefiantly made sure to get the beige mic only weirdo posers would have a black re 20

06:14SPEAKERYou

06:25SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and will made a checkpot. I'm will I'm Brad

06:28SPEAKERI'm gonna close this picture of Ryan sitting here looking at me because it's just gonna bum me out

06:32SPEAKERYeah, I'm kind of bummed instead. I'm gonna move to the happiest thing on earth this document full of questions. Hold on

06:38SPEAKERCan I can I can I can I derail the podcast for a second? I go for it. Hey something came up the other day

06:44SPEAKERThat's from this time period that I think is fun

06:46SPEAKERThat's that's cool

06:46SPEAKERBut also I would say I don't think you can derail a podcast because anything else you say in the course of derailing it is

06:51SPEAKERJust more podcast still a podcast

06:53SPEAKERyeah, so I've been playing a lot of hell divers as I think probably a lot of people have lately and

06:58SPEAKERIt got me thinking because I realized I was like a lot of the stuff that makes hell divers

07:03SPEAKERGreat was also in magicka in like 2011 when that came out. Oh, yes

07:07SPEAKERI had forgotten about that until I started playing hell divers again

07:10SPEAKERBut if you go back and look at magicka like it's kind of all there

07:13SPEAKERWell, so a I kind of want to go back and play magicka

07:16SPEAKERBut I went back and watched the quick look that you guys did of magicka

07:20SPEAKERback when you knew nothing about the game and we're like

07:23SPEAKERThis is a weird-ass game and like there's a bazillion ways to kill yourself in it

07:28SPEAKERAnd it was it was a it was a very fun quick look to go back and watch

07:31SPEAKERIt's also was from a kinder gentler time

07:34SPEAKERQuick looks were a little different back then. Yes. Yes

07:37SPEAKERbut I got to the end and I had forgotten completely that apparently my corn and I had been playing that a lot because you

07:43SPEAKERGave us a shout out at the end of it. We're giving you hot strats about how to do stupid shit in

07:51SPEAKERMagicka and I was like, oh, that's sweet. I have I have no recollection of that. It sounds like you don't need her

07:55SPEAKERI did not remember that at all

07:57SPEAKERBut yeah

07:58SPEAKERalso looking at the looking at the deck the description on that video after three patches in three days Brad and company finally feel

08:04SPEAKERSafe exploring the realm of magicka sounds like it sounds like their update cadence also hasn't changed much

08:09SPEAKERI think it probably launched pretty hot too in a different way entirely

08:13SPEAKERI look when you're breaking new ground the way they are

08:17SPEAKERThe the entirety of my recollection of that first game is that I loaded it up

08:21SPEAKERI jumped into a game with some friends

08:23SPEAKERI assume Mike and some other people and I immediately launched a laser inside a force bubbles a shield bubble someplace and murked

08:30SPEAKEReverybody on this the game and reset the entire game the the controller input the the d-pad input based like spell call downs the

08:38SPEAKERwanton

08:40SPEAKERViolence against your teammates like it's all there

08:42SPEAKERYep, the one the one thing I remember that hell divers kind of got away from is the spell mixing

08:47SPEAKERLike they had a really dynamic system for like mixing

08:51SPEAKERElemental spells with like weather spells with oh, yeah

08:54SPEAKERWhat I mean is like you combine water and lightning and make make like death puddles for stuff like that

08:59SPEAKERYeah, I combine like the fireball spell with a tornado spell to make a fire tornado like it was so cool

09:04SPEAKEROh, you've not been to hell Meyer. I'm guessing

09:07SPEAKERYes, I'll Meyer has fire tornadoes Brad and I haven't played that game in too long. I've been busy playing hundred-hour RPGs

09:13SPEAKERHe's I'm gonna go and tell you the JRPGs will still be there

09:16SPEAKERBut you know what won't be managed democracy if there's not people defending it's true

09:19SPEAKERI got what else there won't be if we don't get on it

09:22SPEAKERI got to do my part in spreading democracy and also answering these questions. Yeah, we got to turn some cues into a's

09:27SPEAKERIt's answers. It's questions. It's emails. We're doing all of the above

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09:56SPEAKERPost your questions in the queue seeking a's channel where it will disappear after a few moments into the ether

10:02SPEAKERBut Brad and I will see it at the end of the month. We will make a big list

10:05SPEAKERwe will judge them based on their relative merits and we will answer the ones that we feel interested in answering and then the rest of

10:11SPEAKERThem will be saved for later at some point. We're gonna have

10:15SPEAKERYears worth of questions to answer and we've got all these docs, you know, we've good questions never die

10:20SPEAKERLet's say it's not like we trash any of these old documents. I'm gonna scroll back to

10:24SPEAKERShould I read a question from June 2021? Sure. Let's see

10:28SPEAKERWell, I remember people were like, let's look back in the in the mists of time and see what people were interested in

10:33SPEAKERJune of 2021 weird. We are getting way more questions now than we did then

10:37SPEAKERWell, we've been doing questions pretty reliably for the last, you know, three years sir

10:41SPEAKERHere's a question from squib worth on June 16th 2021. Mm-hmm. Who's your favorite robot or cyborg?

10:47SPEAKERSome examples are 2d to Darth Vader number six who's number six, you know from Battlestar Galactica lady

10:53SPEAKERI've not seen the red dress. I've not seen Battlestar Galactica data lore Robocop jacks dot matrix

11:02SPEAKERPerhaps a more interesting question might have to be answered first how much of your body needs to be artificial to make you a cyborg

11:09SPEAKERAnything would it Luke Skywalker with a hand or Picard with a heart count? Yep, 100%

11:15SPEAKERAnd does it have to be electronic is ashes hydraulic hand in army of darkness good enough?

11:21SPEAKERwhoo, I don't know about ashes hydraulic hands, you know, that's I

11:25SPEAKERFeel like that that might just make him a heavy metal death machine

11:29SPEAKERYeah, I like is Picard's heart robot heart. Does that make him a cyborg? I don't know. You don't see it

11:35SPEAKEROh, it's not visible. It's true

11:38SPEAKERIt's just a Morgan replacement. Yeah, but like ha I feel like I feel like the robot hand absolutely makes you a cyborg

11:46SPEAKERright probably like I have a friend who has a

11:50SPEAKERPump in her liver that blasts chemotherapy stuff out her letter some bad stuff that's happening to her in her liver every once in a while

11:57SPEAKERI feel like she's probably a cyborg, right? I guess so. I don't know

12:02SPEAKERI mean even like Luke's hand it still just looks like a hand and functions like a hand

12:05SPEAKERI feel like I feel like you can crush marble with that thing though

12:08SPEAKERThat's like that's an upgrade my kind of when I think cyborg I think overt enhancements of your mmm original

12:15SPEAKERBiological capabilities if you could only enhance one part of you, what would you enhance?

12:20SPEAKERKeep it PG, please

12:24SPEAKERRobot eyes

12:28SPEAKERHuh

12:30SPEAKERlike we've talked I feel like we've talked about neural link enough that I know your stance on neural link and then you're probably gonna be a

12:37SPEAKERLike there's a lot of good reasons to for that to be a pass

12:40SPEAKERYeah, yeah, but but like I feel like having a direct internet brain implant would be really really useful

12:46SPEAKERI'm not from that guy. Can you imagine the quality of firewall?

12:50SPEAKERYou would want on that to not let any of the outside internet into your head unbidden

12:55SPEAKERProbably just not gonna click on questionable links. I can never forward a poor to your brain. No, no

13:01SPEAKERYeah best robot it has to be r2d2, man. Mm-hmm

13:05SPEAKERReliable or the most omnipresent those movies low-key. It's just the r2d2 story if they hadn't been cowards

13:13SPEAKERThey would have called it the r2d2 saga when they were rebranding that in the in the JJ Abrams days. It's true

13:19SPEAKERHe's always there

13:21SPEAKERR2d2 has been my Skywalker. Yes, always quietly integral to events. Mm-hmm

13:26SPEAKERAll right, let's fast forward to the 2024 questions Wow. What stock should I buy Brad?

13:31SPEAKEROh, I guess I would have needed us three years ago. Yeah. Sorry to him. We are very there

13:38SPEAKEREmail from

13:40SPEAKERGerard or Gerard in the Netherlands. That's a Gerard. I don't know if they do they do they do it's not it's Gerard Depardieu

13:47SPEAKERHe's French. That's French is Dutch. I guess it's

13:51SPEAKERSimilar. Yeah, do they do soft cheese and Dutch? I'm not sure. I don't know

13:55SPEAKERI'm sure we'll find out after this episode goes up. I don't I know they don't German. But anyway

14:00SPEAKERAll right

14:01SPEAKERBack in the day screen savers were actually useful since they prevented prevented burn-in on CRT monitors, which is not really a concern nowadays

14:09SPEAKERHowever, they were also fun. So why did we stop having fun?

14:14SPEAKERWould you consider or sorry, would you reconsider using a fun screensaver?

14:18SPEAKERThere's a dedicated community making sure Johnny castaway still runs on modern machines for instance, man. I love a good screensaver

14:25SPEAKERYeah, I miss screen savers terribly

14:28SPEAKERI'd still use them what really I mean not for their purpose

14:32SPEAKERBut like oh I have even though I still even though I work in my house now when there's somebody else around

14:37SPEAKERI still have the office instinct of have my workstation lock itself after like five minutes

14:43SPEAKERWalk away. Did you never do that?

14:45SPEAKERI mean I did when I worked in an office and I was working with a bunch of reprobates but like

14:49SPEAKERLike I wouldn't ever do that at home. I just haven't go straight to this display goes straight to sleep. Yeah

14:54SPEAKERYeah, I do that. I mean I do that too, but the reason we stopped is because of the power usage

15:00SPEAKERIt turns out like with a billion plus pcs in the world if we all just ran screen savers all the time

15:08SPEAKERWe would do bad things to the amount of power like we don't want to be mining Bitcoin over here. That's true

15:13SPEAKERI mean that's getting better with OLED though

15:15SPEAKERIf you were to if you were to use a sufficiently darkened screen saver that would use relatively little power

15:20SPEAKERIn fact, I was researching screen savers a few weeks ago like trying to find out what is still available for Windows

15:26SPEAKERAnd I saw a bunch of people saying like hey if you have an OLED

15:29SPEAKERCan't you just display a black frame without actually turning the monitor off and it's kind of the same thing

15:34SPEAKERHmm. Wow, is that actually the case? I'm sure I'm sure there's some extra electronics that are still alive or not in a suspend state

15:40SPEAKERYeah, that are maybe taking a little more power but like that is compelling

15:44SPEAKERYeah

15:45SPEAKERlike the display itself wouldn't be there their argument there was like

15:48SPEAKERThen you don't have to wait for it to come out of sleep and like warm back up or come back on although and doesn't really

15:52SPEAKERHave to warm up, you know what?

15:53SPEAKERI mean like it would be instant when you move your mouse the screen will come back from black because it was technically still on

15:59SPEAKERand displaying I

16:01SPEAKERmean

16:02SPEAKERYeah, so there's gonna be electronics in the in the set that are pulling juice all the time

16:06SPEAKERBut but yeah, it wouldn't be as much for me

16:08SPEAKERIt's like it was worse in the in the CRT days obviously because CRT is used kind of a lot of power

16:13SPEAKERThe cold cathode back lights were notoriously power-hungry now

16:17SPEAKERIt just feels kind of wasteful and it turns out I said everything to be dark when it's not running now, too

16:22SPEAKERSo I just turned those lights off

16:25SPEAKERI

16:26SPEAKERHad an old fish tank screen saver that had like tropical fish in it. I absolutely loved though

16:31SPEAKERThat's a grand. Oh, yeah, I would I would do that again

16:34SPEAKERSo Mac OS that had that one built in that one. I bought a special piece of software

16:39SPEAKERIt was one of the first things I bought on the internet. Actually, I think like 20 bucks

16:43SPEAKERYou could buy extra fish later pay for screen savers. Look, I know those people made they spent the time modeling those fish

16:50SPEAKERThat's fair. That's fair. Nothing will ever top the heyday of like roughly the year 2000

16:55SPEAKERevery single

16:57SPEAKERComputer in the entire dorm had the matrix screensaver going on it. Oh, that's funny that for me when I was in college

17:04SPEAKERIt was the after dark toasters was what I already had and pipe dream. Yeah pipe dream was a good one

17:08SPEAKERI if I had

17:10SPEAKERLike if I had solar that was generating more power than I use I would consider probably flipping that on but with the electric car

17:15SPEAKERAnd all that I don't think that's realistic. Yeah fair also, you know monitors have a finite lifespan

17:20SPEAKERWhat's your burn in or not?

17:21SPEAKERYou know these might like back lights on LCDs to get dimmer over time like OLEDs have

17:25SPEAKERtheir own kind of burn-in like

17:28SPEAKERPixel aging issues. It's it's kind of it kind of bums me out

17:32SPEAKERIt's like I look at like those Samsung frame TVs and stuff like that and I'm like, this is really cool

17:37SPEAKERIt's neat that you can have ambient art up on the wall when you're not doing it

17:40SPEAKERBut it does use some amount of power and it's it just it just I don't know

17:45SPEAKERIt feels wasteful to have something on that. You're not actively using

17:47SPEAKERYeah, I was just reading about this year's TV and the Samsung frames this year now have a new 60 Hertz mode

17:54SPEAKERYeah, I guess they didn't have before but they dropped the refresh rate or at least optionally on the new models to use less power

18:00SPEAKERBecause it refreshes less. I'm I'm surprised they didn't do a little of what like the Apple watch does and give you like a

18:05SPEAKERMaybe not a 1 Hertz mode, but at least something super low if you're displaying a still image

18:09SPEAKERI you know that took Apple a fair amount of time to get there too. So yeah fair

18:15SPEAKERAnd and power for the Apple watch is a direct response on battery life, which is one of the prime motivators for customers

18:22SPEAKERYes, whereas on the Samsung thing. I think the people who are buying you piece that expensive

18:25SPEAKERMaybe don't give a shit about their power bill. Yeah

18:28SPEAKERLast thing I'll say about screen savers. There is a truly amazing L cars screensaver out there the track computer interface

18:35SPEAKERBut it's kind of hard to integrate with Windows and it kind of uses a lot of compute to run

18:41SPEAKERYeah, I don't want my GPU spinning up on my CPU when my screen saver comes on. That's the opposite of what I'm going for

18:47SPEAKERI can't remember the name of it, but you could probably find it pretty easily if you google for it anyway

18:51SPEAKERQuick email from Rob here about the old Disney World VR thing. We talked about a few weeks ago. Ooh

18:58SPEAKERThe Aladdin quest I think it's a VR. Yeah Aladdin quest

19:03SPEAKERRob says we got at least a couple we got we got multiple emails on this. Yeah

19:07SPEAKERYeah, we had to we had to land on one and it's this one

19:11SPEAKERBack in the heady days of the 90s a buddy and I drove down from Ohio to Disney World to see and do all the nerdy

19:16SPEAKERDisney things that they had on offer

19:18SPEAKERWhen we went to Epcot specifically the area called a communicore at the time

19:23SPEAKERCommunicore sounds that sounds cool pretty heavy metal in itself

19:28SPEAKERWe waited for the VR demo and I was picked to try it

19:31SPEAKERThere were two components

19:33SPEAKERThe headset that was counterbalanced by some overhead rigging and the device you sat on straddling it like a motorcycle

19:40SPEAKERYou leaned forward and grabbed some controls on the unit

19:43SPEAKERThe premise was that you were Aladdin riding the magic carpet trying to exit the cave of wonders if I recall correctly

19:49SPEAKERGuided by Iago the parrot. He raced the other two volunteers in a time demo. I thought it was pretty darn cool a

19:55SPEAKERFew years later when Disney opened up Disney Quest in Orlando

19:58SPEAKERThey had an attraction based on this same text same story just more polished and you got a score at the end

20:03SPEAKERIt was at Disney Quest for quite some time as I remember

20:09SPEAKERThat's so we got a lot of emails about this

20:11SPEAKERthe big things that I thought were interesting are the counterbalanced like the

20:15SPEAKERHelmets hung from the head the ceiling and were counterbalanced because they were so heavy because I assume they had giant CRT's in them

20:21SPEAKERYeah

20:21SPEAKERI don't think I think I had that thought when we talked about this on the tech demo episode and didn't actually voice it that yeah

20:27SPEAKERThey would have had to have straight-up CRT is strapped to your face, right?

20:30SPEAKERYeah, cuz LCDs at that time weren't color and weren't bright. There were some laptops that had color LCDs, but they were all

20:38SPEAKERReflective screens. You had to have a front light on them and you couldn't that wouldn't work for VR

20:44SPEAKERAnother person did the demo and talked about how

20:48SPEAKERonly

20:49SPEAKERThree people got to like so this was the shipping version of the game

20:53SPEAKERThis was what was it like in the actual park the preview that we saw the video of

20:58SPEAKERWas a thing where like they would pull three people out of the audience who got to try the ride and everybody else watched them

21:03SPEAKERAnd it seems like they didn't have like the motorcycle style thing to sit on

21:07SPEAKERThey just sat on like a flat area and had people like keeping them from falling off of it, basically

21:13SPEAKERSo yeah, it sounds cool

21:14SPEAKERI would love to I wish I wonder if somebody I

21:16SPEAKERlooked a little bit to see if somebody did a recreation of any of that in

21:20SPEAKEROr ported whatever they had done forward to run on modern headsets, but I couldn't find anything so

21:28SPEAKERIt seems like a thing that would be desirable for the video game preservation folks, oh for sure

21:34SPEAKERAnd even thought about that I wonder if I wonder if the Franks of all these of the world heavily done something like that

21:40SPEAKERWell, I bet Disney but doesn't even keeps their very old stuff pretty tightly under lock and key

21:45SPEAKERYeah, I mean the thing about there's a lot of people that preserve like Park stuff

21:50SPEAKERSo like if you want to go see what it was like to ride one of the old rides

21:53SPEAKERThere's tons and tons and tons of video that people have recorded

21:57SPEAKERBut there's not like the software for that stuff is a little bit

22:01SPEAKERLike I mean it was obviously proprietary and run on closed machines and was probably run on like SGI machines

22:06SPEAKEROr something really weird back then. So yeah, oh man my

22:10SPEAKERMy youtube recommendations have gotten extremely s gi if I'd recently what have you been looking at?

22:15SPEAKERLike how did they just stuff just start showing up?

22:17SPEAKERI mean, I've been watching a lot of like old video game console restoration videos and stuff like that

22:20SPEAKERAnd so like somebody showed up on there with an sgi onyx

22:26SPEAKERSomebody had a was there an octane I believe is one of them

22:31SPEAKERyeah, octane was

22:32SPEAKERWas it a mid tier a mid mid era sgi workstation? It was a big giant chonky boy, though. It was like a

22:41SPEAKERYeah, most of them most of theirs looked like like little mid towers that were kind of purple and cool

22:45SPEAKERYes, but the octane was a big workstation thing that came in like it was like a create I think yeah

22:50SPEAKERHe'll I'm looking at a picture of it now the onyx

22:53SPEAKERIt's a guy on there that got his hands on an onyx and he has like a bunch of the documentation and like ads from the

22:58SPEAKERTime the onyx started at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and went up to 650

23:02SPEAKEROh, the onyx is what I'm thinking about the octane was the small one

23:06SPEAKERSo the onyx they didn't even advertise as a workstation and they advertised it as a graphic supercomputer

23:11SPEAKERYeah, it was literally the fastest graphics hardware on the planet at the time

23:15SPEAKERThe onyx was really really really big. Yeah. Yes

23:19SPEAKERIt's not like the first ones he pulls the case apart and you can see how it's like built out of metal and it had

23:23SPEAKERLike metal runners on the side because it was too it has wheels

23:26SPEAKERIt was too big and heavy to lift you had to roll it around because it's so damn big

23:29SPEAKERIt looks a lot like old mini computers

23:32SPEAKERIf you're if like if you look for like a weighing weighing microcomputer or weighing mini computer

23:37SPEAKERThen they're they were the same kind of big thing, but this wasn't a shared

23:42SPEAKERShared terminal like I would have been yeah, I'll try to remember to link that video in the show notes for this

23:47SPEAKERIt's pretty fascinating if you are interested in older computers that used to cost half a million dollars

23:53SPEAKERI love a half million dollar computer. That sounds great. Yeah

23:56SPEAKERAll right, one more email from Luke in Oregon. I

24:01SPEAKERJust finished Philip building my first PC on my own

24:04SPEAKERCongratulations. It was awesome and super fulfilling but since then I'm plagued with anxiety about my build

24:10SPEAKERDid I miss something is something going to just break and I'll have to spend a month getting my motherboard organ aid

24:16SPEAKERAll tech has a shelf life and runs into problems problems that are often costly and or time-consuming

24:21SPEAKERSo here's my question for you. How do you make peace with the reality? The tech is going to have problems

24:26SPEAKERHow do you manage the inevitable frustration and annoyances that come with technology? I am just by two of everything

24:32SPEAKERSo that is something that no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding

24:34SPEAKERso most

24:36SPEAKERplaces that you're buying computer hardware from now if you have something that conks out you can give them a credit card number and

24:42SPEAKERThey'll cross ship stuff and then only charge you if you don't return the broken piece. So

24:47SPEAKERLike when my Intel CPU conked out and I had to RMA it it went back

24:52SPEAKERIt was back three days after I sent it out, right? Like I got it almost immediately. Sometimes you can even get it before you

24:59SPEAKERSorry, the replacement was here three days after I asked for them to send me a replacement and then I said the old one back

25:05SPEAKERSo it's not it's not like it's you're not gonna be out for a month

25:10SPEAKERUnless you're in Australia or New Zealand or someplace that's far away from places and overnight shipping is less of a available for you

25:16SPEAKERyeah, I mean we usually what's this up and running you're probably pretty good like the stuff that you and I've had problems with this year is

25:21SPEAKERThe is is the net anomaly in my experience

25:26SPEAKERCompatibility issues and stuff are not the stuff we've been running into not not super common

25:32SPEAKERYeah, it's it's not been

25:34SPEAKERIt's it's really really not been an issue

25:37SPEAKERLike my I'm trying to think my like my 9900 K machine

25:40SPEAKERI basically built and was rock-solid for four years five years

25:45SPEAKERmy

25:46SPEAKERMy machine prior to that the Broadwell II lasted is still it's on the garage

25:51SPEAKERIt was it became a server and ran 24/7 after it had been my desktop computer for three or four years

25:56SPEAKERYeah, I'm so I famously use that 7700 K for well

25:59SPEAKERI did swap CPUs and RAM at one point but like that thing went from 2016 to last year 27 years

26:06SPEAKERLike I've I've been extraordinarily lucky with hardware failure over time. I've had like one motherboard in my entire life die

26:13SPEAKERLike generally motherboards and stuff don't die the memory sometimes will conk out but as long as you're not at the end of that memory

26:21SPEAKERLifespan like that that type of memories lifespan. Generally, it's pretty inexpensive to replace memory. Yeah

26:27SPEAKERDo memory makers still do lifetime warranties?

26:29SPEAKERI did have one Corsair stick of like DDR3 maybe like for like 10 years ago go bad

26:34SPEAKERBut like at that point I just pulled it out and send it in and they sent me a new one and I just had

26:37SPEAKERHalf the RAM for a week or two

26:39SPEAKERDepending on the RAM you'll either get two years or ten years or maybe somebody is lifetime. I don't know I I've

26:47SPEAKERUsually by the time memory conks out in my machines new memory is faster and bigger and I just upgrade when that happens

26:53SPEAKERI think that's the real lesson here. Is that

26:56SPEAKERGenerally, like unless you have a dead or like a dead on arrival situation something that is like faulty out of the factory

27:01SPEAKERLike you're probably gonna be fine until the point that you kind of don't care that it's dead anymore

27:06SPEAKERYou know, like once it like you said once it dies, it makes more sense to just replace it with something new

27:11SPEAKERyeah, like if I when I had eight gigs of DDR or

27:15SPEAKERConk out or 16 gigs of DDR4. I just bought a 32 gig kit to replace it because I wanted more memory

27:20SPEAKERAnyway, by that point it turns out adding more memory is an easy way to get a little more juice out of an older machine

27:26SPEAKERSo yeah, the thing the thing I have less

27:29SPEAKERSuccess dealing with or the thing that I let get to me more than failures like failures or whatever

27:34SPEAKERLike you said their fact of life like you just deal with them the thing that drives me crazy is just like shit design

27:39SPEAKERAnd something I'm now stuck with you know what I mean? Yeah, like I got these new monitors like three or four years ago

27:45SPEAKERThey're like two three things about these monitors that drive me crazy to this day

27:48SPEAKERAnd there's just nothing I can do about it cuz that's just how they're made and it was by the time it was really a problem

27:54SPEAKERI kind of couldn't get rid of them anymore

27:56SPEAKERso I'd send them back like stuff like stuff like the auto inputs select on these things can't be turned off and when I'm

28:01SPEAKERStreaming and trying to like swap inputs to turn a console on you know

28:05SPEAKERHaving the monitor decide what it thinks I should be looking at when I'm trying to tell it

28:09SPEAKEROr you know trying to turn stuff on and switch things efficiently while I'm live on the internet

28:13SPEAKERJust infuriating like that's the kind of stuff that bumps me out is just stuff that doesn't work

28:18SPEAKERLike it should because somebody made a dumb design decision. I I have my water cooler

28:25SPEAKERReports temperature back in to fan control and whatever other software you have installed

28:30SPEAKERIt was great except for when the computer goes to sleep it it bombs out that connection

28:34SPEAKERAnd it doesn't recover gracefully so I had to restart fan control every time the computer rebooted

28:39SPEAKERI just replaced the water cooler. Yeah, like it was annoying and that's yeah, sometimes you just have to rip the band

28:45SPEAKERI typically don't let myself do that

28:47SPEAKERbut there are absolutely cases where I should have where it's like I

28:49SPEAKERShould just sell or give this away and buy a new one that I'm happier with just to eat the money because this is trying

28:55SPEAKERYou know, it's well, so ultimately I'll put it in another machine that can benefit from having the water temperature monitoring

29:01SPEAKERBut that doesn't sleep. It's only on when it's being used. So, you know, it's less of an issue. Yeah, and

29:07SPEAKERYeah, that's the plan there. I guess yes. All right. Here's a good question from one sweet Chuck on the discord. I

29:14SPEAKERThink there are two versions of this question that we should consider

29:18SPEAKERWhat happens if Google actually decides to shutter Gmail?

29:21SPEAKERWhat happens to the world and what should people do to protect against such a future?

29:25SPEAKERSo I think they're like the two versions of this question are

29:28SPEAKERWhat is the realistic scenario where Google would actually shut Gmail down which like probably isn't a realistic situation to begin with?

29:33SPEAKERAnd I'm not in that case, you know

29:35SPEAKERThere's probably months or even years of ramp up to that and warnings and stuff. The other version of this is Gmail

29:40SPEAKERJust vanishes one day

29:42SPEAKERYeah, like what if Gmail breaks? Well boy, I don't even want to think about that

29:47SPEAKERI I think you just start at the beginning and start

29:50SPEAKERif

29:51SPEAKERYou start changing you have to start

29:53SPEAKERHopefully you have a password manager

29:55SPEAKERMm-hmm, and you know all the places you have accounts that are tied to that Gmail account by searching for that Gmail account in your

30:00SPEAKERPassword manager. Yes, and then start going in and changing those accounts

30:04SPEAKERBut I mean, whoa, what a nightmare

30:06SPEAKERYeah, like I'm thinking about this and then the like science fiction way of like, you know

30:09SPEAKERwhat what if cell phones all vanished one day and I like that kind of thing like if I

30:14SPEAKERBet there would be a pretty measurable disruption to like a business and daily

30:19SPEAKERDaily, whatever, you know daily life

30:21SPEAKERIf suddenly nobody had a Gmail account anymore there there are enough businesses

30:28SPEAKERLike we often is a bad practice, but we often would set up like Google accounts that are tied to YouTube channels and stuff like that

30:37SPEAKERThat have significant business

30:40SPEAKERBusinesses attached to them that are hooked into a free Gmail account instead of one that's attached to our domain

30:46SPEAKERand corporate accounts just because then

30:50SPEAKERThe corporate IT folks aren't managing them and do nothing against corporate IT folks

30:55SPEAKERBut often you'll you're like you don't want to be in a situation where the person who's in charge of the IT

31:01SPEAKERThe email addresses for the corporate domain is like oh, what's this? What's this?

31:05SPEAKERYou know blog at blah blah blah and then they delete your blog stop pot blog. That's the backend for your entire website or something, right?

31:13SPEAKERand

31:15SPEAKERyeah, I I

31:17SPEAKERman, I don't even

31:19SPEAKERLike if they show if they're gonna sunset Gmail

31:23SPEAKERIt's probably in the real world if they're gonna sunset Gmail

31:25SPEAKERIt's cuz it's gonna move everybody to something else, right? And if they're gonna do that, there's gonna be a long ramp period

31:31SPEAKERIt's not like they're gonna say. Oh, okay, then the end of three months. We're turning off Gmail. Good luck

31:35SPEAKERMillions of assholes because it's it is kind of they have kind of I think intentionally built email for most people on the internet

31:43SPEAKERYes, at least in our market. I'm sure that there's other things in other places

31:47SPEAKERGod, I wonder what the market share is at this point. Actually, I bet it's enormous. Probably very stupid. It's a very large number

31:53SPEAKERYeah, actually on that subject. Here's another question from meatball then is in the same vein

32:00SPEAKERI've been using the same email address

32:01SPEAKERThat's my first initial and last name at outlook calm for nearly 15 years

32:06SPEAKERAfter having abandoned the same setup at gmail.com due to it becoming a spam nightmare

32:12SPEAKERUnfortunately the last year or two on outlook has gone the same path and 20-plus spam messages are getting past whatever junk mail filters

32:18SPEAKERThey have per day is it's to the point that I'm considering going with a new email address

32:23SPEAKEREven though that doesn't mean updating an insane amount of website logins and figuring out how to or even or even if I should

32:29SPEAKERGet the word out to people I've emailed in the past 10-15 years

32:33SPEAKERWhat do you all consider the best email service now in general and in regard to spam filtering and?

32:38SPEAKERWould you still stick with your name and the email address or come up with something else?

32:42SPEAKERI'm never putting my name in an email address again

32:44SPEAKERI'm not either accepted if it's like a front-facing like business address that I give to people that I work with and at other companies

32:50SPEAKERthat need to know who I am and who that address goes to but like

32:54SPEAKERYeah for for private emails that have financial stuff or health stuff or whatever attached to them like absolutely as obscure as possible

33:01SPEAKERI literally for the one that has all my banking and stuff attached to it

33:05SPEAKERI literally opened up my password manager and had it generate a three-word phrase

33:10SPEAKERlike passphrase

33:12SPEAKERWith three random words, and that's my email address for important stuff. That's good

33:17SPEAKERthe the spam that happens just from having first name last name on

33:24SPEAKERPopular email services as such that you can I don't think you can realistically do that. I think you have to do

33:30SPEAKERsome word and numbers

33:32SPEAKERAnd then there's a problem like for example when you're on a job hunt I

33:37SPEAKERJust registered another domain and hooked an email address up for that

33:40SPEAKERThat's just for that just for the job hunt so all the applications go out to a specific new email address

33:47SPEAKERIt's a pain in the ass because you have to make sure this fits all this anti spam stuff

33:51SPEAKERYou have to do the TK. I think it's TK IP. I can't remember

33:54SPEAKERI had to set up a whole bunch of authentication with Google

33:57SPEAKERI had to make a Google admin console for that domain so that so that I would be able to get to people on Google and

34:03SPEAKERMicrosoft and and

34:05SPEAKERother corporate email clients

34:08SPEAKERYeah, I think I think that's a good option

34:09SPEAKERIt's not actually that hard for most people to do I mean of course you just said there is some management there

34:14SPEAKERBut controlling your own domain

34:16SPEAKERHas some advantages. You know you could change email providers down the road and keep the same address if you want

34:22SPEAKERYeah, the other thing on this on their note I

34:26SPEAKERLiterally wouldn't use email to talk to people anymore. Oh

34:30SPEAKERInteresting I mean sure it's like when was like I don't I get emails with bills I get emails with

34:37SPEAKERLike documents I like 401k stuff and things like that yeah

34:41SPEAKERYeah, but I like when I don't think I've sent an email to a family member that wasn't about bills or 401k

34:47SPEAKERStuff or some family business or something in like 10 years. Yeah, that's fair

34:51SPEAKERI mean you know like my landlord still uses email to contact tenants

34:54SPEAKERYeah, for example. I mean I use email every day for to talk to people in the industry at companies

34:59SPEAKERBut that's just like that's worse. Yeah, that's a different thing

35:03SPEAKERYeah, and maybe you're right. It's funny in the games industry

35:07SPEAKERI find myself using discord and like I mean I still

35:10SPEAKERUnfortunately the reason I still have a Twitter account is because people see use Twitter DMS almost constantly mm-hmm anyway. Yeah

35:17SPEAKERAs for other services

35:20SPEAKERPeople like proton mail like proton mail is pretty well liked for encryption

35:23SPEAKERI can't speak to how effective their spam filtering is I'm sure it's pretty good

35:28SPEAKERYeah, I switched to hey before we realized that the people that run base camp kind of suck, and now I'm stuck on it

35:34SPEAKERYeah, they're bad

35:36SPEAKERI

35:37SPEAKERWhat some think of the Ruby on rails guy David and Hannah Meyer Davidson? Yeah, he's bad

35:42SPEAKERI read I've read his blog occasionally as I've dipped in and out of interesting I

35:47SPEAKERAlso related to web frameworks and programming languages put it the problem for me is that my email address is a first name last name

35:54SPEAKERAt Gmail, and I they're filtering

35:57SPEAKERMethod which is just like once you allow something it goes to your inbox and everything else just gets filtered away

36:02SPEAKERTurns out to be pretty effective against the problems that come with having a 20 plus year old Gmail inbox

36:09SPEAKERI don't feel great about giving them money every year fair

36:14SPEAKERThat is fair

36:16SPEAKERemail

36:18SPEAKERIt'll never not be somewhat fraught email sucks. Yeah emails bad. I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been so well

36:25SPEAKERIt's such a thorny topic like how would you replace email as a standard with something better? I don't know

36:31SPEAKERGoogle tried it yeah, I

36:34SPEAKERDon't I like I don't think that there's a great like I don't particularly like outlook calm

36:38SPEAKERI think it's I think it sucks for all the reasons that outlook sucks. Yeah

36:44SPEAKERLike I think like to fully properly replace email you would need something that was end-to-end encrypted which email extremely is not yeah, yeah

36:52SPEAKERBut I think that should probably say a long time ago. I feel like they're I feel like intelligence

36:57SPEAKERI feel like a lot of people would have feelings about end-to-end encrypted email. Yes, probably so yeah

37:04SPEAKERHere's a question from t three eight five two one nine. That's a good email address right there. Mm-hmm

37:11SPEAKERDo you have any insight into how companies like AWS Azure or Google decide where to open new data centers?

37:17SPEAKERWhat criteria are important? Is it just electricity cost water supply are there places with better access to the internet pipes?

37:25SPEAKERAt a certain level do they do they want distributed location close to where population density is? So they have spreadsheets and

37:33SPEAKERthey put in things like the cost per kilowatt-hour of electricity and

37:37SPEAKERThe amount of water and the average temperature and the amount of sunlight that that those sites are gonna get on the day-to-day

37:44SPEAKERYeah

37:45SPEAKERI would also assume straight-up cost of like real estate and land is a big deal because the data centers they have a gigantic footprint

37:51SPEAKERThey're large

37:53SPEAKERThings like whether they're seismically active areas or whether they're subject to hurricanes or tornadoes or severe weather events are things that they're concerned about

38:02SPEAKERand

38:03SPEAKERThen then I'm sure that everybody has different formulas they use

38:08SPEAKERBut I guess proximity to fiber is probably also important

38:12SPEAKERAlthough probably less so now because like at the scale that these data centers around that they probably just run whatever they need

38:18SPEAKERBut yeah, it's it's like Oregon was really popular for a while because there's cheap hydroelectric power from the Columbia River

38:24SPEAKERThere's the temperatures nice and the climate is temperate. It's not particularly seismically active

38:31SPEAKERThere's no hurricanes. There's not really significant winter storms. There's no

38:36SPEAKERThis fire risk, I guess but that's relatively manageable. I think for our risk management perspective. So it's about risk and cost

38:43SPEAKERYeah, another one. I didn't think to men. Did we mention?

38:46SPEAKERPossible tax incentives. I assume I assume some of those might exist as well. Yeah, I guess so

38:51SPEAKERLike I don't know why you'd incentivize that because it's not like it generates a lot of jobs

38:55SPEAKERI mean not that many jobs, but I mean you are bringing high skilled

38:59SPEAKERLabor tech labor to the area. Are you I mean, there's like three people in there just hit the button every once in a while

39:04SPEAKERI don't know. I mean, I think there's a lot of construction jobs when they're building them

39:08SPEAKERbut I feel like once that's done, it's just a kind of pimple on your on your

39:13SPEAKERInfrastructure otherwise because it uses a lot of power and generates a lot of heat. Yeah

39:17SPEAKERGoogle Google has a data center in North Carolina not far from where I was born or grew up rather that makes sense

39:24SPEAKERYes, it's cool in the mountains. Yeah, totally few natural disasters

39:29SPEAKERDo you remember when Microsoft was building those containerized data centers that they were sinking in the bay?

39:33SPEAKERMaybe that was Google. Yes. No, that was Microsoft. I'd the I'd the image will never leave my head of

39:39SPEAKERThem pulling one of those out of the water with like barnacles all over the side because it had the very bright one Microsoft logo

39:44SPEAKERThe four color. Oh, yeah windowpane look

39:47SPEAKERExcept that thing was covered with the detritus of the sea. I know that was that for like two years or something a year

39:52SPEAKERYeah, I don't know how I feel about thermal pollution from data centers

39:56SPEAKERIf I actually I do know how I feel about it. It feels bad. Yeah, it's a it's not great. It's not great

40:01SPEAKERI mean, but at the same time we're like right now. There's a there's a bunch of coastal

40:07SPEAKERlike wave generation tide generation trials going on that seem really promising and have I mean

40:14SPEAKERI guess ultimately when you take energy from the tides

40:17SPEAKERYou're slowing the rotation of the earth probably in some infinitesimal amount. Sure. This is a problem for future us

40:24SPEAKERI like I feel like coastal stuff is probably good but the weather on coastal areas is getting worse and worse

40:30SPEAKERSo, I don't know

40:32SPEAKERso it's a weird situation like some people build data centers in Arizona because there's free solar power like

40:38SPEAKERMassive massive free solar power there. So yeah, but as I know but it's also pretty warm

40:43SPEAKERSo it is very hot in the summer. Yeah, a lot of air conditioning there

40:47SPEAKERYes

40:48SPEAKERquestion from Park

40:50SPEAKERWhy are so many companies so slow to recognize the WebP file type in their software?

40:55SPEAKERIs there a business or technical reason why this would be difficult?

40:58SPEAKERIt seems odd to see slow adoption of what will clearly be the next widespread image file type

41:03SPEAKERLike browsers and stuff supported WebP almost immediately. Yeah browsers have supported WebP forever

41:08SPEAKERI I thought for a long time

41:09SPEAKERIt was a licensing issue, but I looked it up and WebP is licensed under a BSD license

41:13SPEAKERWhich that should not be a problem. Yeah, I feel like for a lot like in the old days with open open formats like that

41:20SPEAKERThat were licensed for that. I think there was worry about license contamination

41:23SPEAKERLike if you had a GPL

41:25SPEAKERFormat and you supported it with GPL libraries in your code

41:29SPEAKERThen you then have to GPL other code that that code touches and that's a that's a slippery slope

41:34SPEAKERIt's not a real concern with BSD licenses. That was my understanding

41:38SPEAKERYeah, I

41:40SPEAKERKnow I know WebP is huge in web development. My understanding is WebP's compression is incredibly efficient for the quality

41:46SPEAKERIn fact, is it lossless? I think it is can be as my as my like I've followed some conversations on it's funny

41:54SPEAKERLike this will pop up on Twitter occasionally where a bunch of people will grouse about how much they hate WebP and then every web

41:59SPEAKERDesigner in the world will pop up and be like the web would not work as it does without WebP

42:04SPEAKERLike the numbers of extra terabytes of data, we would have to move daily

42:09SPEAKERIf we were not using a file or an image format this efficient would be basically be unsustainable

42:16SPEAKERYeah, so WebP has both lossless and lossy formats

42:20SPEAKERAccording to Google's WebP fact sheet. It's 26 percent smaller in size compared to pings and

42:25SPEAKER25 to 34 percent smaller than comparable JPEGs at the equivalent quality index and it supports transparency

42:32SPEAKERWhich is the other big deal. Yes, and if you think about the the the number of like nice site designs

42:37SPEAKERyou'll see out there like every company every professional anything on the web needs graphics that don't have compression artifacts that need to look clean and

42:44SPEAKERYou know and also have

42:46SPEAKERTransparency. Yeah, I'm professional and so you need you need some nice nice efficient lossless

42:51SPEAKERformat for that so

42:54SPEAKERLike Adobe didn't support WebP for a long time

42:57SPEAKERwhich I think is just Adobe being always eternally slow to support new file formats partly because

43:04SPEAKERUntil the file format is big enough to be worthy of support Adobe doesn't support it and until Adobe support stuff

43:11SPEAKEROften the file formats have a hard time getting big enough to demand support. So yeah, like it's a weird circular argument there

43:17SPEAKERYeah, according according to this Wikipedia chart

43:20SPEAKERIllustrator and Photoshop got support around end of 2021 beginning of 2022

43:25SPEAKERSo it hasn't been such been a couple years basically since Adobe actually finally adopted WebP

43:29SPEAKERAs opposed to say Chrome getting support in what like 2012 or 2013 or something all the browsers have added for a decade plus

43:35SPEAKERBut I mean that's the workflow problem people run into is they get an image in a web browser

43:39SPEAKERThey can view and then they try to save it and realize they can't open it with anything local and that's where people get mad

43:45SPEAKERBut don't blame the image format. It's not the fault of the image format

43:50SPEAKERIt's I assume it's just like a lot other than maybe Adobe's case where they're just being sluggish for market dominance

43:56SPEAKERLike lack of demand probably like it's just not used in the professional world outside of like the people doing web development already have the tools

44:03SPEAKERThey need to work with it

44:04SPEAKERLook, all I know is that I pay Adobe is every year a bunch of money for continuously updated software

44:11SPEAKERAnd then they are the last people that supported the new format

44:14SPEAKERYeah, right. Yeah, same thing happened with HEIC, which is Apple's proprietary thing for for

44:22SPEAKERVideo like short form video and images, right and

44:28SPEAKERLike you you have to still jump through hoops to support HEIC in creative cloud. Yeah today is my understanding

44:35SPEAKERYeah, I don't I don't know if I don't know if it's accurate to say that WebP is the image format of the future

44:41SPEAKERBecause there's a bunch of other

44:43SPEAKERCompeting next generation file formats or image formats out there as well

44:47SPEAKERThere's JPEG XL which I think has a fair amount of momentum behind it and has a lot of advantages

44:53SPEAKERThere's there's a VIF. Have you seen those? Yeah. Yes. Yes avifs avif

44:59SPEAKERthose have now taken the place of WebP for me in terms of images that I Google search up and

45:04SPEAKERGrab it to use for some stupid purpose and then can't open locally. Mm-hmm

45:09SPEAKERBecause like I use Affinity Photo and it supports WebP and HEIC just fine

45:13SPEAKERBut it will not open avifs or at least version one will not so so the funny thing on the HEIC front to get

45:20SPEAKERHEIC support in Windows

45:22SPEAKERYou still have to download

45:24SPEAKERThe HEI EC and HEVC support tools from the Microsoft Store and then restart Photoshop

45:30SPEAKERSo they needed an OS level not at at Photoshop level. Oh, they're just not paying the licensing for it

45:37SPEAKERDid this what's happened? Okay, didn't even click for me that HEIC was related to HEVC in some way

45:42SPEAKERYeah, they're two sides of the same coin, right?

45:45SPEAKERYeah

45:45SPEAKERApparently avif is part of AV one like it's from the Alliance for Open Media who has made AV one the royalty-free

45:51SPEAKERnext-gen video codec my formats

45:54SPEAKERI'm sure plenty of people's eyes glaze over but I find them very interesting. I

45:59SPEAKERQuite enjoy it. It's always fun. Yeah

46:02SPEAKERDo you really want a fun evening like dig way into the spec for a file format sometime and look at like the byte order?

46:08SPEAKERFor stuff and what the headers have to look like you really want to know what what is inside a file?

46:13SPEAKERI'm probably okay. It turns out you appear to be nodding off. I'm look it's I've been the doors closed

46:20SPEAKERCo2 levels probably around a thousand in here. It's it's getting a little drowsy

46:24SPEAKERYou want to do a couple more? Yeah

46:26SPEAKERSpells has a question. Why are technology companies allergic to the number nine? No windows nine. No iPhone nine, etc

46:35SPEAKERNine is an unlucky number in certain markets. Yeah, that is probably the case

46:42SPEAKERI looked up in these two particular cases in the case of Windows 9 like the the prevailing theory

46:47SPEAKERSeems to be that Windows 8 was such a boondoggle

46:50SPEAKERthat Microsoft just wanted an extra clean break from it and

46:54SPEAKER10 is a good

46:56SPEAKERlong distance from 8

46:58SPEAKERThere's also there's also this is this is totally apocryphal. I've never seen any direct evidence of this

47:04SPEAKERthere's always been the idea floating around that like a bunch of a

47:07SPEAKERBunch of like old Windows API's and stuff legacy software has got like the string Windows 9 for 95 or 98 in it or the?

47:15SPEAKERBroadly that it would cause some it would cause some cause Windows 2k problem. Yeah. Yes cause a bunch of confusion with with old

47:24SPEAKERSo the thing I I was told

47:27SPEAKERby someone who

47:29SPEAKERwas around at the time is that 9 is unlucky is a bad number in Japan because it's a it's a homophone for

47:36SPEAKERThe word for suffering in the same way that 4 is is a number you don't use in China

47:41SPEAKERYeah, because it's I don't know what the word in China in and I assume Cantonese

47:47SPEAKERBut I don't know. Anyway, probably Mandarin if it's like official, okay

47:53SPEAKERYeah, that's possible, I mean, you know, they don't they don't put floor 13s and a lot of American elevators so ice I

48:00SPEAKERLook, I think really realistically the reason Windows 10 was Windows 10 and not Windows 9 is because Microsoft

48:05SPEAKERI'm looking at OS 9

48:07SPEAKEROS 10 for a decade. It's like we got to catch up. I am sure there's lower than theirs

48:12SPEAKERI am sure that's part of it

48:13SPEAKERkind of the same thing with the iPhone 10 like I think it was I think that was the 10th anniversary the first iPhone when the

48:18SPEAKER10 of the other ones, you know, and I'm sure you know, they also changed it to the Roman numeral X

48:23SPEAKERWhich I know it was after the 10th anniversary of the first iPhone wasn't it? When did when did the iPhone 10 come out?

48:28SPEAKEROh, no, maybe not. It was when I was doing food stuff. You know, it was it was

48:33SPEAKER2017. Yeah, it was 10 years. Okay. So yeah, and and they had synergy with the Roman numeral 10 on the on OS 10 at the time

48:40SPEAKERWell, I think in both of those cases, it was probably more marketing driven than anything else

48:44SPEAKERWell, and also is the first major like redesign, right?

48:48SPEAKERIt was the first time they got rid of the button screen like it was yes for the iPhone in particular

48:53SPEAKERWasn't that the first OLED model or no did they 10 OLED screens?

48:56SPEAKERI was all that was the one with it was the first one with a notch

48:59SPEAKERIt was the first one without with the swipe was the first one with face ID. Yeah, it was a huge

49:03SPEAKERDesign change. It was a return to the metal band around the edge, which was you know, kind of the iconic iPhone for design. Yeah

49:11SPEAKERthe it's funny we're as a as a

49:16SPEAKERPeople's willingness to trash

49:18SPEAKERBranding that has worked really well for a long time right now. Is it an all-time high? I think I saw

49:23SPEAKERI mean obviously HBO max becoming just max and ditching the thing

49:28SPEAKERthat's like the probably the most respected brand and in Britain like in like

49:34SPEAKERpremium TV for the last

49:36SPEAKER40 years is a real real remarkable one

49:39SPEAKERSo we're just talking about one in the discord this morning that I hadn't realized Oh Polycom

49:43SPEAKERh/h

49:45SPEAKERHP bought Polycom and is ditching the Polycom branding

49:48SPEAKERwhat is now home Polycom made headsets like really good headsets, huh, and

49:55SPEAKERThey had poly.com which is you know, it's a good URL

50:01SPEAKERYeah, and now that just redirects to like some page on HP site where they saw Polycom headsets, which is a bummer

50:08SPEAKERThere's there's nothing worse than the amazing domain being subsumed into just a corporate redirect. Yep

50:14SPEAKERSet that thing free. Yeah

50:17SPEAKERSomething with it. And by somebody I mean me that's phase three of this plan. They're gonna sell it for hundreds of thousands of dollars

50:22SPEAKERI'm sure yeah

50:25SPEAKERQuestion from man, man, man, gix ain't get man gix. Not sure how you would

50:31SPEAKERMan, yeah, man gix

50:33SPEAKERWould you recommend an EV if you don't have a reliable way to charge it at home an apartment without chargers, for example?

50:40SPEAKERIt depends. So if the if you have if it's a modern EV that charges pretty fast

50:46SPEAKERLike I would totally

50:48SPEAKERalso

50:50SPEAKERYou have to have chargers near you that are accessible

50:52SPEAKERSo for example a thing that's been happening in LA lately is a lot of the grocery stores have a handful of electrify

50:58SPEAKERAmerica chargers in there in their parking lots

51:00SPEAKERTotally in that situation you live near grocery store that served totally would do that

51:05SPEAKERif you

51:07SPEAKERDon't we even have it at San Francisco. They're like, there's the

51:11SPEAKERlucky at

51:12SPEAKERSloat has chargers now as does the Safeway at Noriega. So like there are there are

51:19SPEAKERYou know, it's it's becoming more accessible even in urban areas

51:23SPEAKERSo if you have a car like like we're getting ready to pick up a new ionic tomorrow actually

51:28SPEAKERour lease expired on the bolt so it's time for a new car and

51:32SPEAKERThat thing charges from 0 to 80 percent like 20 minutes Wow

51:36SPEAKERWhich means you can go in to get a car go get your groceries and by the time you come out your car's full

51:41SPEAKEROh, man, that's great. Yeah, I'm totally on board for that. Wow, that's cool

51:44SPEAKERYeah, like I read this question at first I was like why in the world would you want to do this?

51:48SPEAKERAnd then I was like, oh wait, right people would go and get gas. No, it's like

51:52SPEAKERIt's not that different

51:53SPEAKERI mean, you know like to me that is a big advantage of an electric car as you can charge it at home

51:57SPEAKERBut but I guess giving that up is not the end of the world if you can do it in a way that

52:01SPEAKERFits into your lifestyle similar to the way that getting gas does well

52:06SPEAKERYeah

52:06SPEAKERAnd and like the weird thing is like we've lived on the bolt on the on the hundred twenty volt charger the level one charger

52:12SPEAKERThe entire time which charges at eight or twelve?

52:15SPEAKERAmps, I guess that right amps watts. I don't know

52:19SPEAKERamps

52:20SPEAKERAnd and like it that will trickle

52:23SPEAKERassuming we don't drive more than like 250 or 300 miles in a week, which sounds like it's weird cuz like

52:29SPEAKERWhat I lived in Tennessee

52:31SPEAKERDriving 250 miles and we could be a really light week of driving

52:34SPEAKERHere driving 250 miles a week means I went and visited somebody in Petaluma maybe twice

52:40SPEAKERright

52:41SPEAKERWhich is a lot of traffic. It's a lot of driving just because everything's so condensed here

52:47SPEAKERso yeah, I like I don't everybody's different I

52:51SPEAKERWouldn't buy like a bolt that only charges at 50 kilowatts per hour

52:56SPEAKERand and expect to charge that on commercial charges because it'll make you crazy but a

53:02SPEAKERMore modern faster charging cars gonna be fine, especially if you have chargers near you. Yeah

53:09SPEAKERLet's see a couple more here. How about

53:13SPEAKERBraven bark

53:15SPEAKERIt is 5 11 a.m. And I just found out the Cooler Master HAF XB Evo is no longer available on Amazon

53:22SPEAKERBecause it is old and discontinued. I

53:24SPEAKERWas looking to purchase one for an unraid server. I believe this is the best case ever

53:28SPEAKERIt has handles wide stance for easy college dorm moving while an undergrad and safer during transit six hard drive bays room for fans galore

53:36SPEAKERWhat is your favorite case on why do you have a favorite case for unsexy tucked away home lab server stuff?

53:44SPEAKERCan I shout out the Corsair carbide series which went the way of the dodo

53:49SPEAKEREarlier, I guess two years ago. Okay, the 330r was a quiet mid-tower all black

53:56SPEAKERNo windows. No, no holes

53:59SPEAKERFan grills were blocked by screens

54:02SPEAKERYou could dust them easily and get to them very very easily and it had a door that covered up the drive bays in the front

54:07SPEAKERSo yeah, they don't sell those anymore either. I'm pumped about it

54:11SPEAKERYeah, I'm looking at pictures that looks pretty similar to some of the fractal offerings

54:15SPEAKERThe defined the defined ones in particular it does it's I mean there's a period of time

54:20SPEAKERIt's like they're these were from the early 2010s when when you know

54:24SPEAKERblack aluminum was very was all the rage and

54:27SPEAKERlike it has punch outs on the back for water cooling loops if you want to hang your radiator off the back instead of

54:32SPEAKEROn the inside or you know, whatever. It's it was a very functional mid-tower

54:37SPEAKERYeah

54:37SPEAKERI don't I don't know that I can name a favorite that I would actually like recommend like

54:41SPEAKERMy favorites are gonna be the ones that I'm nostalgic for

54:44SPEAKERYou know, nobody should get an antac p180 anymore and that was a good case, too

54:48SPEAKERIf you could even find one, but man, I use that thing for like 12 years. That was a pretty solid case

54:53SPEAKERIt's a good case

54:55SPEAKERYeah, I've been pretty happy with the last couple of fractal defines that I've used like that's a couple spots

55:00SPEAKERThe build quality is not totally top-notch, but pretty pretty good design accommodating overall

55:06SPEAKERI did move my NAS into

55:09SPEAKERThe define r6 last fall. Mm-hmm, and I've put these 7200 rpm drives in it and it leaks sound like I

55:17SPEAKERWant to stab my ears with ice picks sometimes

55:21SPEAKERIt's like the height. I've actually been meaning to record it and see what frequency the hum is that comes out of those drives

55:26SPEAKERYeah, just even cancel it out

55:28SPEAKERIt is a it is a very specific high frequency hum that is coming through the I think it's the this it has a removable top

55:35SPEAKERPanel for where you can put like fan grills and stuff in. Yeah, I think it's the seam around the top

55:40SPEAKERIt's probably why their sound coming out of there. It's just exactly where I sit

55:45SPEAKERLike that you just hear it the wine from those our drives goes

55:48SPEAKERFucking just put a little pillow on top of it. Yeah

55:52SPEAKERI've thought about trying to buy some aftermarket like sound dampening material align the case further with even though the case has some built-in

55:59SPEAKERYeah, I don't know how effective that would actually be. I I think you're probably better off

56:05SPEAKERTrying to figure out how to isolate those

56:07SPEAKERMy guess is that there's probably something resonating on the hard drives to the case that's making it

56:12SPEAKERLouder than it would be otherwise that is that is also some like rubber grommets or something or put a little rubber shim in between the

56:18SPEAKERDrives and the and the the bays. Yeah, I don't know that might help. Yeah, they are all on grommets

56:23SPEAKERSo, I don't know if yeah, there's something about because I was not hearing this with the same tribes in my old case

56:28SPEAKERBut the real solution is to move somewhere else where I can put that computer in a room where I don't sit

56:33SPEAKERYeah, my nest is in the garage. I only hear about working on laundry and turns out it's fine

56:38SPEAKERThat's a home servers belong in the basement. Yeah, I wish I spent is what I say. It's been would be cool. Yes

56:47SPEAKERLet's see there is a question here from

56:51SPEAKERWarbird that I wanted to read if I could find it

56:53SPEAKERI did we congratulate the person who said they built their first PC at the start of the show I did. Okay

57:00SPEAKERCongratulations, that's awesome. By the way, I think I forgot to say that I meant to say that and that's rad

57:04SPEAKERI'm always glad when somebody builds a PC that's that's fantastic. That is exciting. You've entered a larger world

57:10SPEAKERAlthough actually I mean not to get all next lander over here

57:12SPEAKERWe were talking about Phil Spencer's GDC interview with polygon this week and they linked to a study

57:18SPEAKERThat like a big part of the reason that consoles are dying effectively is because everybody under the age of 21 just uses PCs now

57:25SPEAKERYeah, this is it's funny. I had seen conversation other places, too

57:28SPEAKERYeah, like it's crazy to think back to the like early steam days. The PC games are dying era

57:35SPEAKERYou know, yeah, you shake consoles

57:39SPEAKERHow thoroughly the PC has won in the end I mean the PC won't win until

57:45SPEAKERMario's really seen Nintendo games on Steam. I suppose that's true. But that's that that's the last holdout

57:50SPEAKERIt's gonna be PCs and switch it's gonna be PCs and Nintendo at the end of this whole thing

57:54SPEAKERI don't know. I think I feel like I feel like Sony's gonna keep selling PlayStations for a minute

57:59SPEAKERYeah, no, it'll be fine for a while. But it still is still crazy to me to think that that

58:05SPEAKERSpecifically that demographic the younger demographic is all in on the computer. My daughter has a switch and is in a PC

58:11SPEAKERThat's all she needs. I offer her in a full-ass Xbox and she was like, no, I'm good dad. Yep

58:18SPEAKERAll right question from Warbird

58:20SPEAKERWith the new focus of Microsoft on having their games run in more places the ongoing success of Sony properties on PC

58:27SPEAKERAnd the continued efforts of the proton team to get apps not made for Linux to play nice on the Steam Deck

58:32SPEAKERDo we think Mac OS may ever see first-class support that they don't have to pay for?

58:37SPEAKERWhich is to ask do we think that all the work being done to make everything run on mostly everything else?

58:42SPEAKERWill result in the opportunity cost in doing Mac ports being low enough that more companies will bother

58:49SPEAKERSo I don't think people are gonna do Mac ports, but I think that what will happen it's probably is already happy

58:56SPEAKERWe don't even I don't even know about it, but I bet that there's a proton fork

58:59SPEAKERor Mac, I think if if Apple was still on

59:04SPEAKERx86 this would have already happened. It would be done

59:07SPEAKERI think the arm to x86 to Windows to Linux to Mac is like

59:13SPEAKERMaybe one jump further than it's gonna be easy for the time being that's that's exactly what I was gonna say

59:18SPEAKERLike the you know, the the DX UK stuff you see on piece

59:20SPEAKERWell step back the thing with Linux and Windows going from Windows to Linux is you're still on the same hardware

59:25SPEAKERYou're still the same box. You're just running a different operating system

59:28SPEAKERBut with Macs being universally arm based these days

59:31SPEAKERYeah, like the machine code translation as you see with Rosetta has got performance and like battery, you know power usage implications

59:39SPEAKERI think that's probably

59:41SPEAKERAsking a little bit much that said

59:43SPEAKERNot only are you not wrong that Apple has something like that like it's known it's been it's out there

59:48SPEAKERThis got announced during

59:50SPEAKERWWDC last year last summer the game porting toolkit. You remember this? Oh, yeah. Yeah

59:56SPEAKERYeah, it is. I don't know if it incorporates proton or it might be wine. I

1:00:02SPEAKERWould bet it's probably wine. Yes, it is wine. In fact, it would have been early. Well, maybe not

1:00:08SPEAKERThey did not work with code weavers

1:00:13SPEAKERBut they were involved in some way anyway

1:00:14SPEAKERI don't remember all the details but like Apple Apple does have some like middleware stuff out there

1:00:20SPEAKERFor people to potentially try to get games brought over so maybe we've we've talked about this before

1:00:26SPEAKERBut like adding new skews to games to support is this like I didn't fully appreciate how time consuming and expensive it is

1:00:34SPEAKERUntil I actually started working on the game studio and I was like, oh god when we had an epic build

1:00:39SPEAKERWe got to add we got to add more build servers

1:00:42SPEAKERwhich it's going to get more licenses for these five things which is going to cost us X number of thousand dollars for the year and

1:00:47SPEAKERwhen you're looking at like the success of PC games ported to Mac and they're selling like

1:00:53SPEAKERtens of hundreds of copies it it will literally take something like

1:00:59SPEAKERsomebody has to build a market there and

1:01:01SPEAKERI think it has to be Apple because they're gonna have to subsidize like if only Apple had money to subsidize games if they cared

1:01:07SPEAKERabout games as

1:01:09SPEAKERYou know on their Mac platform, we would probably have games on the Mac

1:01:13SPEAKERLike valve has effectively subsidized games on Linux by building the steam deck and making it fucking rad

1:01:18SPEAKERYeah

1:01:19SPEAKERAnd putting a lot of work in a proton and something that an insane amount of work into proton and and DX VK and all

1:01:24SPEAKERThe stuff around that. Yeah

1:01:27SPEAKERLet's do two more real quick ones and then get out of here

1:01:32SPEAKERQuestion from a cake batter

1:01:35SPEAKERCake batter. Hey, yes

1:01:37SPEAKERSorry, I had to pull it up real quick

1:01:39SPEAKERYou ever wonder what?

1:01:40SPEAKERAntivirus software would be like if John McAfee wasn't a weird criminal who fled to a country with no extradition treaty and lived on a

1:01:46SPEAKERyacht and then died

1:01:48SPEAKERNo

1:01:49SPEAKERYou're good. I

1:01:51SPEAKERMean he was not involved with the of antivirus software for a decade by the time all that happened

1:01:56SPEAKEROh, he divested didn't he?

1:01:58SPEAKERHe just got rich and went off to lose hold it to Intel or somebody I think right and live his vision quest who owns

1:02:03SPEAKERMcAfee, I don't know. I

1:02:05SPEAKERWent to Intel I think for a minute. I don't know who owns it now. I feel like the like

1:02:10SPEAKERin a weird way

1:02:12SPEAKERMicrosoft kind of Sherlocked antivirus for Windows because defender is real good. Yes, and I could not be happier that they did that

1:02:19SPEAKERI know they should you know, like they should have done that and probably sooner like it's it's entirely appropriate that they went and built

1:02:25SPEAKERtheir own solution for that because

1:02:27SPEAKERLike their platform lives and dies by its security integrity, right? Yeah, and the other ones

1:02:32SPEAKERUniversally sucked in some important way. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even think about it anymore defender just kind of does its thing

1:02:38SPEAKERI I will if I'm downloading something I'm like, oh man, this is questionable

1:02:42SPEAKERI check and make sure to finish the date and then I right-click and scan us 100% Yeah

1:02:47SPEAKERSpeaking of screen savers. I found a you know, you know the classic starfield simulation. Oh hell

1:02:52SPEAKERYeah, I went got a 4k video of that and use that as my stream background now

1:02:56SPEAKERThat's amazing, which people every gets comments every week does windows even have screen savers built anymore

1:03:02SPEAKERYeah, it's got a few that one is not in there. But um, it's got

1:03:08SPEAKERMystify is still in there the 3d text one. Remember that old OpenGL 3d text screen saver

1:03:14SPEAKERYeah, that one is still in there anger

1:03:17SPEAKERHang on, let me pull it up. There's like

1:03:20SPEAKEROkay, so when I open this up the preview window

1:03:24SPEAKERWhich I think just took a screenshot of what I was on my desktop at the time then put it on a on a 4x3

1:03:29SPEAKERWhat looks like CRT frame so it's all squinched in because I have a 16 by 9 monitor

1:03:34SPEAKERIt's amazing. Yes, you good. Also the windows screen saver dialogue is the same it has been since at least Windows 95

1:03:41SPEAKERIf not, three one, I think this is what does I think there's still Windows 95 one

1:03:44SPEAKERI know this doesn't look like a one to three one one like the little preview window is still CRT

1:03:49SPEAKEROh ribbons man rib ribbons bubbles mystify photos and 3d text stars or

1:03:55SPEAKERThat's all that's left. This brings me back. I use I use mystify if you're curious

1:04:00SPEAKERanyway, the reason I brought that up was I went out and found some some

1:04:05SPEAKERMuch more advanced new starfield simulation screen saver that some guy wrote in dotnet

1:04:10SPEAKERBut it's not hosted on github. It's not on anything remotely reputable

1:04:15SPEAKERIt is on a very like 20 year old looking website that he posted it on

1:04:18SPEAKERDoes it not are you because that's always a good sign?

1:04:21SPEAKEROh, but then I clicked I click back to the the root page and like there's a bunch of like

1:04:26SPEAKERSomewhat extreme political screeds in between the software. He's posted. He should go work for base camp and I

1:04:34SPEAKERHave not I have yet to run

1:04:35SPEAKERIt's a really cool starfield simulation thing

1:04:38SPEAKERBut I have yet to run it and I guess I defended the hell out of that thing when I downloaded

1:04:44SPEAKERAlright last email I'm assuming you have it

1:04:47SPEAKERI've never crimped a cable in my life, but I saw you you bolded this so you must have an opinion

1:04:51SPEAKEROh, I have one more I want to do too then. Oh, okay. Well before all what's what's yours then?

1:04:56SPEAKERI'm a hundred percent. Oh you want to do mine first, okay?

1:05:00SPEAKERDefectus wants to know do you wear shoes inside the house apartment if so why here across the pond?

1:05:05SPEAKERIt's not very common and the common perception. Is that all Americans wear shoes indoors last time

1:05:09SPEAKERI asked the question on the internet

1:05:10SPEAKERI got because it's my goddamn right as an answer which is good and all but hoping to get a more insightful answer from you

1:05:17SPEAKERguys

1:05:17SPEAKERI'm guessing we have very similar answers because we're from we are from the same part of the country and now both live in the

1:05:23SPEAKERSame part of the country. I was not ever exposed to taking your shoes off in the house until I moved to California

1:05:28SPEAKERYeah, no like where where we are both from people just wear shoes in the house constantly, but I don't they don't live in cities

1:05:35SPEAKERWell, I'm not defending it to be clear. I'm not defending it. I think it's terrible eyes

1:05:40SPEAKEREvery time I go home now. I feel weird as hell

1:05:44SPEAKEROkay, so I have complicated feelings on this

1:05:46SPEAKERThere's a cultural component here because my understanding is that it's like the reason people in California are often not shoe wares in the house

1:05:53SPEAKERIs because we have a lot of people from Asia that live here

1:05:56SPEAKERYes, it is it is it taking your shoes off in the house?

1:05:59SPEAKERLike this there's a whole mechanism like rat shoe racks and the whole nine yards by the by the door often

1:06:04SPEAKERIn fact, actually a lot of our houses here even have like little nooks where you can put the shoe rack where it lives outside

1:06:10SPEAKERLike in sunset a lot of the sunset houses are just built that way. Yeah mud rooms. Yeah

1:06:16SPEAKERI

1:06:18SPEAKERHave had a dog in the house for a pretty pretty big chunk of the last 20 years and

1:06:23SPEAKERI feel like if the dogs walking around outside and gas to gets to keep her feet on it doesn't really do a whole lot

1:06:28SPEAKEROf good for me to take my shoes off sure and I have arch problems

1:06:32SPEAKERSo I often have to wear some sort of something with arch support in the house or else I'll hurt my feet

1:06:36SPEAKERBut yeah, I think not wearing shoes in the house is nice. Yes. I fully yes. We are a strict no shoes in the house house here

1:06:45SPEAKERFeel like I would have more slip-ons though. Yeah, I have some now

1:06:48SPEAKERI've had there's a pair of flip-flops and a pair of slip-on laceless Skechers right by the door

1:06:53SPEAKERWell, huh? Are your flip-flops all do you have do you have like inside the house shoes too, though?

1:06:57SPEAKEROr just walking around socks all day a bear barefoot

1:07:00SPEAKERI would a my feet would be freezing cold all the time and I would have herdy feet. Yeah

1:07:06SPEAKERI love being barefoot. I love it. I have inside the house slippers

1:07:11SPEAKERThen I also have some slippers that I wear outside the house. Sometimes I have a dog out. Yeah some some house slippers

1:07:16SPEAKERWould probably be nice

1:07:17SPEAKERBut yeah, I like it for me. It's not a grossness thing. It's just like, you know, I'm not eating off the floor

1:07:23SPEAKERYeah, I mean I live in San Francisco like for me. It is largely a grossness thing

1:07:28SPEAKERFair spend enough time walking around here and you'll be like, you know what? I probably shouldn't wear these shoes

1:07:33SPEAKERI'm wearing on this sidewalk in my house. Yeah, I mean the was that poo or something else the answer to either of those questions

1:07:39SPEAKERIs it's bad. You don't wanna have it in your house. And I think that goes for really any major city

1:07:43SPEAKERI think that's probably true

1:07:45SPEAKERSeattle and Vancouver both seem very clean. Yeah

1:07:48SPEAKERAlright last question. Okay, I don't have an answer for this but you bolded it so neuro flare

1:07:54SPEAKERWhat's the official tech pod twisted pair termination standard?

1:07:57SPEAKERT five six eight a or t five six eight B. This is a strict t five six eight a

1:08:04SPEAKERPodcast. Okay. Do you have any is there a rationale for that that I can cite?

1:08:08SPEAKERThe rationale is that when I set it up, I didn't know what the difference in them was when I did my first cables

1:08:13SPEAKERSo I just did whatever the a one was because that seemed like the right one and it has to match both ends

1:08:18SPEAKERI'm sure both ends have to match but you can mix and match a and B cables and they'll work fine

1:08:22SPEAKERI say I I did not know

1:08:26SPEAKERWhen I when I did that I've re terminated some ends a few years ago a year and a half ago

1:08:30SPEAKERI guess now and I had to open up the wall to look and see what I had done because I could not remember

1:08:36SPEAKERSo now I've written it down and it's written on a post-it note that's attached to the switch in the garage

1:08:41SPEAKERSo that's good. That's good for future cables

1:08:44SPEAKERThis is gonna be one of the things where like 50 years from now whoever buys your house

1:08:47SPEAKERWhat is gonna be remodeling and they're gonna knock a wall down and find where you find where you wrote the termination standard?

1:08:55SPEAKERNo network cables on the inside of a wall or something. Nope. I'm not gonna tell them they have to figure it out

1:09:00SPEAKERLike I did, you know

1:09:02SPEAKERSo yeah, that's that's just the like wiring diagram. It's just which colors go to which terminals basically, right?

1:09:08SPEAKERYeah, so when you do we talked about the network episode a little bit last week

1:09:11SPEAKERBut when you do whether you're crimping a cable or putting a push down connector on a socket. There are two

1:09:18SPEAKERbasic standards and the idea is that either for t 5 6 8 a

1:09:23SPEAKERGreen and white is one green is two orange and white is three

1:09:28SPEAKERBlue solid is four blue and white is five six is orange. Seven is brown and white and eight is brown

1:09:35SPEAKERYeah, the blood I'm looking at this the blues or I'm sorry the blues and Browns never move

1:09:39SPEAKERIt's just all it does is invert the greens and oranges

1:09:42SPEAKERYeah, and I think that the greens and the oranges are the only ones that carry the data on most Ethernet also

1:09:50SPEAKERSo, yeah, all you're doing is switching the switching the which which ones are which are the greens and the oranges and

1:09:58SPEAKERThat's it

1:10:00SPEAKERIt has to do with the all the all the different pairs are the colored pairs are twisted together at different

1:10:07SPEAKERRatios and that it has to do with that if you want to make a null

1:10:11SPEAKERHold on. What's it called? Not a not a normal modem cable. Is it a null modem cable?

1:10:15SPEAKERNo, that's a serial cable. It's a it's a crossover cable is what it's called. Also. Yes, then you just switch

1:10:21SPEAKEROne here is on one end. So one end is a and one end is B

1:10:25SPEAKERBut you don't really have to do that anymore because most Ethernet

1:10:28SPEAKEREthernet devices are automatically cross over and if it detects that you have a non crossover cable

1:10:33SPEAKERBrad just hung up on me. I'm gonna keep talking for a second though. I feel like this is a probably a pretty good

1:10:39SPEAKERTime for me to talk about the fact that you should use ports instead of using plugs where you can because it's better and easier

1:10:48SPEAKERAnd I think on that is as good a place as any to call it an episode. Mr. Shoemaker. Yeah, I'll agree with that

1:10:55SPEAKERI feel like we turned a

1:10:57SPEAKERDon't know what the standard number of cues we turn into A's is on every Q&A episode. Do we have a quota?

1:11:03SPEAKERI don't know. I

1:11:05SPEAKERWould I would love to know from our listeners if they feel like we have done an adequate job making A's out of cues

1:11:13SPEAKERFrankly, I mean I we could have gone for another hour. There's a bunch more in here

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1:13:53SPEAKERWe appreciate everyone's support could not do it without you seems like the Eric's some Eric's are coming out ahead in the great air force

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1:14:05SPEAKERIt's just wise words

1:14:07SPEAKERAnd that'll do it for us this week. We will be back next week with another edition of the tech pot

1:14:11SPEAKERI think we know we're gonna talk about already we do we have gotten ahead of a topic

1:14:15SPEAKERI don't remember what it was. I do should I say it? Yeah, but then we're committed

1:14:20SPEAKERYeah, that's actually that's a good point. Then we really will hold our feet to the fire

1:14:23SPEAKERWe're talking about doing a short history of home video formats. That's right. That's the one the short history of foam video for us

1:14:30SPEAKERI looked at the list of ideas and I went down it today

1:14:32SPEAKERI was like I need to start reading about this and I couldn't remember which one and you were streaming so I didn't want to bug

1:14:36SPEAKERyou but anyway

1:14:37SPEAKERThat'll be next week short history of home video format

1:14:39SPEAKERSend your favorite video formats into us and we'll we'll talk about them learn about them and share some knowledge

1:14:45SPEAKERHey folks Brad come to you here from the future

1:14:50SPEAKERAt least the future since we recorded this episode with a little addendum

1:14:54SPEAKERBecause some of our episode plans actually are a little bit in flux since we recorded this two notes

1:15:00SPEAKERthe big one that we forgot to mention is I think we've alluded to this in the past, but we will definitely be doing an

1:15:05SPEAKERepisode on

1:15:07SPEAKERPirates of Silicon Valley the 1999 made-for-tv classic about the early days of Apple and Microsoft

1:15:14SPEAKERNoah Wiley as Steve Jobs and I believe Anthony Michael Hall of

1:15:19SPEAKERBreakfast Club fame as Bill Gates if you haven't seen it. It's a certified banger and it's on archive.org

1:15:24SPEAKERIt's it's not easy to find on streaming. It got very limited home video releases

1:15:29SPEAKERIt was made for cable as I said it originally aired on the TNT Network

1:15:32SPEAKERBut anyway, it is on archive.org and I will link that movie in the show notes for this

1:15:37SPEAKERWe are talking about doing that movie for the episode that will run on April 21st

1:15:43SPEAKERIt might be the 14th. We're not quite sure yet

1:15:47SPEAKERBut I want to give people a heads up so they'd have fun to watch it in advance

1:15:51SPEAKERIt'll be the 14th or the 21st that we'll probably be recording that also

1:15:55SPEAKERnext week might not be home video formats because this insane security breach has happened in the open source world with

1:16:01SPEAKERXE the compression utility lib lzma big compression library that basically every Linux sister on the planet

1:16:09SPEAKERdepends on and there has been a

1:16:11SPEAKERCompletely insane back door that has been discovered that may have been implanted by a nation-state actor

1:16:17SPEAKERThis is shaping up to be maybe the biggest

1:16:21SPEAKERBackdoor security breach in modern history, or at least it's really up there. It's a crazy story

1:16:26SPEAKERWe might do the episode next week about that or maybe the week after depending on what further news and

1:16:31SPEAKEREvidence comes to lights on that subject as people dig into it. So yeah, anyway, so source security breaches home video

1:16:39SPEAKERFormats of pirates of Silicon Valley. There's the next like three weeks of tech pods coming at you

1:16:44SPEAKERThanks for listening. Bye