204: Science Cookies??

00:00SPEAKER- I had to clean the stove top the other day.

00:03SPEAKER- Did you have to?

00:04SPEAKER- Well, okay, so the oven's not worked for a little bit

00:07SPEAKERand we mostly use the toaster oven slash air fryer

00:10SPEAKERin the summer 'cause it makes the house less hot

00:12SPEAKERthan the real oven does.

00:13SPEAKER- Understandable.

00:14SPEAKER- So like the oven's been broken for a bit

00:16SPEAKERand the guy was coming to look at the oven

00:19SPEAKERto see what was wrong with it.

00:21SPEAKERAnd the top, like I like to think that a thin layer of grease

00:25SPEAKERon the top of the stove top helps to protect

00:28SPEAKERthe enamel of the stove top.

00:30SPEAKER- It's a lubricant, it's a sealant,

00:32SPEAKERwhatever you wanna call it.

00:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's keeping the bad stuff out

00:35SPEAKERand the good stuff in, right?

00:36SPEAKERIt's like wax for your car.

00:37SPEAKER- Yes, yes, you're detailing your stove top.

00:40SPEAKER- My wife possibly had some different ideas

00:42SPEAKERabout the level of filth she was willing

00:43SPEAKERto expose outsiders to.

00:45SPEAKER- I'm familiar with this phenomenon.

00:46SPEAKER- Well, I-- - You get it.

00:47SPEAKERActually, I am with your wife, Alan.

00:49SPEAKERLike, I also don't want to, yes.

00:52SPEAKER- I'm generally pretty tidy, but in this case,

00:55SPEAKERthis is a place where I like to let life find a way.

01:00SPEAKERSo anyway, I cleaned it off and you know that stuff

01:03SPEAKERthat gets like the hard baked on kind of like,

01:07SPEAKERthey're like dark spots usually.

01:09SPEAKERIt's like if you spill something with some fat in it,

01:12SPEAKERit'll get cooked on there if the burner's hot

01:14SPEAKERand then it's really hard to get off.

01:16SPEAKERSo I went to the internet, as one does,

01:18SPEAKERto find out how to remove these,

01:20SPEAKERhopefully with chemistry or something

01:21SPEAKERthat wouldn't involve me scrubbing for three hours.

01:23SPEAKERAnd somebody on the internet said,

01:25SPEAKER"Hey, if you have a Le Creuset, an enameled Dutch oven,"

01:28SPEAKERlike one of those Dutch ovens you have

01:30SPEAKERand you bought their fancy, unnecessary

01:32SPEAKERfor the Le Creuset Dutch oven,

01:34SPEAKERbut totally necessary for other enameled cookware,

01:37SPEAKERcleaner, which is I think just something

01:39SPEAKERthat's more basic than like baking soda,

01:41SPEAKERbut less basic than like, you know,

01:42SPEAKERlithium hydroxide or something.

01:45SPEAKERIt takes that stuff right off.

01:46SPEAKER- Okay.

01:47SPEAKER- So I degreased the top and I wetted the stuff

01:51SPEAKERon the sponge and I put it on there

01:53SPEAKERand I rubbed it on and let it sit for a few minutes.

01:55SPEAKERAnd then it basically, like all of it,

01:57SPEAKERbut the very hardest on there wipes off

02:00SPEAKERand it looks brand new for the first time

02:01SPEAKERin the five years that we've had this oven.

02:03SPEAKER- That sounds fun.

02:04SPEAKERI was hoping some beakers might be involved here,

02:07SPEAKERsome Bunsen burners, like chemistry outing, but still.

02:11SPEAKER- So I looked into it further to see what was going on here.

02:13SPEAKERAnd it turns out basic stuff

02:15SPEAKERtakes off burned off charred stuff.

02:17SPEAKERAnd the more burned on charred it is,

02:18SPEAKERthe more basic it needs to be.

02:21SPEAKER- And in this case, I mean, basic is in the opposite

02:24SPEAKERof acidic, not basic as in like, you know.

02:28SPEAKER- Bro, why is your cleaner so basic?

02:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

02:31SPEAKER- This is a very chemistry ignorant question.

02:34SPEAKERIs alkaline another term for that?

02:36SPEAKER- Alkaline, yeah, also basic, yeah.

02:39SPEAKER- Okay.

02:39SPEAKER- So like you're-

02:40SPEAKER- Oh, are they're not synonymous?

02:41SPEAKERYou can't just say like, this is an alkaline.

02:44SPEAKER- No, alkaline and basic mean the same thing, yeah.

02:45SPEAKER- Okay.

02:46SPEAKER- Alkaline is probably the correct term for basic.

02:49SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause as you have identified,

02:51SPEAKERsometimes hard to use the word basic in another context.

02:54SPEAKER- You know, but nobody wants to be basic

02:56SPEAKERunless you're cleaning off hard stains.

02:59SPEAKER- Or coating on an apple tea, well, not even then.

03:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but anyway, so yeah,

03:02SPEAKERso like I got the soft brush out,

03:04SPEAKERlike the soft dish brush, put this stuff on,

03:05SPEAKERscrubbed it just a little bit, it pops right off

03:07SPEAKERand the stove top looks super clean.

03:10SPEAKERAnd he came out and he looked at the pilot light

03:12SPEAKERand he's like, well, in an old oven,

03:14SPEAKERthis would have been about five minute fix

03:15SPEAKERand I have the thing for it in my car.

03:17SPEAKERBut since this has all got computers and shit up in it,

03:20SPEAKERI'm gonna order the parts, it's gonna be here in a week

03:22SPEAKERand I'll come put them in in about five weeks.

03:24SPEAKER- Yep, he's gotta replace the main board,

03:26SPEAKERgotta update the firmware.

03:28SPEAKER- Like literally, there's a temperature sensor

03:31SPEAKERinside the oven, there's a assembly

03:34SPEAKERfor where the gas comes out, there's a computer

03:38SPEAKERthat he's gonna replace the whole computer

03:39SPEAKER'cause that was bulging in a weird way.

03:40SPEAKERI was like, why is the computer bulging?

03:42SPEAKERHe's like, I don't know, I'm just gonna replace it

03:43SPEAKERwhile I'm coming.

03:44SPEAKERIt's like, well, okay, that sounds good.

03:46SPEAKERI was like, if you don't get it in this time,

03:47SPEAKERhe's like, we'll probably just give you a new one

03:49SPEAKER'cause it's easier.

03:50SPEAKERI was like, that sounds great.

03:51SPEAKER- Can you imagine what the cooling needs are

03:53SPEAKERor maybe more to the point, how industrially hardened

03:56SPEAKERthe computer hardware in an oven has to be?

03:58SPEAKER- Well, I will tell you exactly how much it is

04:00SPEAKER'cause when I bought the oven, the guy at the store

04:03SPEAKERwas like, yo, don't run this at 550 degrees for a long time

04:06SPEAKER'cause it will literally melt the solder in the computer

04:08SPEAKERon the backboard of the thing.

04:10SPEAKERI was like, that seems like a design flaw.

04:12SPEAKERHe's like, yep, if you're gonna do it,

04:13SPEAKERjust do it before the extended warranty's up.

04:15SPEAKERAnd I said, fantastic.

04:18SPEAKER- I have a suggestion.

04:19SPEAKERWhat if we stopped putting computers in everything?

04:22SPEAKER- Well, so here's the interesting answer to that is

04:24SPEAKERif you buy a $10,000 cooktop, like a Wolf or a Viking

04:27SPEAKERor something like that, they don't have a bunch

04:29SPEAKERof computer shit in them.

04:30SPEAKERThey're all still manual.

04:32SPEAKERYeah, so the manual, the Luddite answer

04:34SPEAKERis the expensive answer in this case.

04:36SPEAKERAnd if you wanna buy like a thousand dollar range,

04:38SPEAKERit's gonna have a bunch of computers up in the business.

04:40SPEAKER- Hey, who doesn't love paying more for less?

04:42SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:11SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot."

05:14SPEAKERI'm Will.

05:15SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello.

05:16SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.

05:17SPEAKERThis week's episode, a little bit of a potpourri

05:20SPEAKER'cause we've both done things in the real world this week.

05:22SPEAKER- Yeah, posting a few hours late on Sunday this week

05:26SPEAKERbecause you were, instead of recording a podcast yesterday,

05:29SPEAKERyou were out at Maker Faire.

05:30SPEAKER- I went to Maker Faire with my daughter.

05:32SPEAKERThis is the first, I was thinking about this

05:34SPEAKERwhile I was driving over there 'cause it was on,

05:36SPEAKERit was on, well, what's the island in Vallejo

05:41SPEAKERwhere the first Naval base was in-

05:43SPEAKER- Alameda, not Alameda.

05:44SPEAKER- No, it's not Alameda, it's the north, the other one.

05:47SPEAKERIt's the one where the first Naval base in the Pacific was.

05:49SPEAKER- Oh, geez.

05:50SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, it's May Island or something like that.

05:53SPEAKER- Not Angel.

05:54SPEAKER- No, Angels, there's no, Angels undeveloped.

05:58SPEAKERAnyway, it was like an hour drive, it was 50 miles.

06:02SPEAKERAnd this is the first Maker Faire that's happened

06:04SPEAKERsince we started recording this podcast.

06:06SPEAKER'Cause they canceled the 2021 for obvious reasons.

06:09SPEAKERAnd then 2021, they canceled and 2022,

06:12SPEAKERthey just announced that they weren't gonna do

06:14SPEAKERany more Maker Faires.

06:16SPEAKERAnd then like June of this year, they were like,

06:19SPEAKER"Hey, we're doing Maker Faire."

06:21SPEAKERJust 'cause it's gonna be smaller, so.

06:23SPEAKER- Why did they initially say that it was just done?

06:26SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so Make also publishes a magazine

06:30SPEAKERand I'm gonna suggest that maybe the lack of,

06:33SPEAKERlike I think those two businesses kind of fed each other

06:35SPEAKERin a way that maybe they were having business problems.

06:36SPEAKER- I see.

06:37SPEAKER- And had to do some restructuring in order to survive

06:40SPEAKERthe lack of the Mothership Maker Faire,

06:42SPEAKERwhich brought a couple hundred thousand people

06:44SPEAKERto San Mateo, usually one weekend in May.

06:46SPEAKER- Geez, that's pretty serious attendance.

06:49SPEAKER- It was big, maybe it was only 120,000,

06:51SPEAKERbut it was a lot of people.

06:52SPEAKER- I mean, that's like, I mean, E3 is kind of my common

06:55SPEAKERpoint of comparison, but that's bigger than E3 ever was.

06:57SPEAKER- Yeah, and if you've ever been to those fairgrounds

07:00SPEAKERfor like a county fair or whatever, it's big.

07:02SPEAKERLike it's a big fairground, there's like three or four

07:04SPEAKERbig, huge warehouses that were full of stuff,

07:07SPEAKERlike indoor stuff and computers and stuff like that.

07:09SPEAKERAnd then there were also like a couple of huge outdoor areas

07:13SPEAKERthat had like crazy bicycles where they set gearing systems

07:18SPEAKERup on so that the handlebars made the wheel

07:20SPEAKERturn the wrong way and you had to like rewire your brain

07:23SPEAKERto ride a screwy bicycle or like a bunch of people

07:25SPEAKERwould bring like burner cars and stuff that they take

07:28SPEAKERlike Burning Man sculptures and stuff like that would come.

07:31SPEAKERSo anyway, I was very excited when I found out

07:35SPEAKERthe Maker Faire was back.

07:36SPEAKERIt's been my, we used to cover it, we started covering it

07:39SPEAKERthe first year of testing in 2010, went every year.

07:43SPEAKERWe went to the New York one a couple of times.

07:46SPEAKERIt's one of my, I always said it was my favorite event

07:49SPEAKERof the year and it absolutely is because it's such a good

07:55SPEAKERwide range of people who are enthusiastic about stuff

07:57SPEAKERthat even if I don't like, even if I'm not personally

08:00SPEAKERenthusiastic about it, their enthusiasm is infectious

08:03SPEAKERand it's cool and it's mostly just people

08:06SPEAKERwho build cool shit.

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like even the brief description you've just given me

08:10SPEAKERis completely counter to what I thought it was

08:12SPEAKER'cause like being in the office with you guys back

08:14SPEAKERfirst couple, three years you were doing it,

08:16SPEAKERmy impression of what Maker Faire was, if you'd asked me,

08:18SPEAKERI was, I assumed was just like a bunch of vendors

08:20SPEAKERshowing off new 3D printers and CNC hardware

08:23SPEAKERand stuff like that.

08:24SPEAKERI didn't realize this is like totally grassroots DIY.

08:27SPEAKERLike this sounds way more interesting and fun.

08:29SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's, I mean there is that.

08:31SPEAKERLike there's a section, there's usually a 3D printer

08:33SPEAKERpavilion with a bunch of, like in the early days

08:35SPEAKERit was MakerBot and like the two other printer companies

08:39SPEAKERand some open source weirdos and I say that with love

08:42SPEAKERjust to be clear.

08:44SPEAKERAnd then as the years progressed it was 30 different

08:48SPEAKER3D printer vendors that were set up and like a bunch

08:50SPEAKERof stuffs around that.

08:51SPEAKERBut it was big enough that that was just like a small part

08:53SPEAKERof the thing.

08:56SPEAKERWe would go, like my favorite thing to do is just to walk

08:58SPEAKERaround and look at the things people made.

09:00SPEAKERAnd like the, just so people understand the scale is

09:05SPEAKERit's all the way up from like a kid, like the way you get

09:09SPEAKERinto Maker Faire is you either pay them money

09:11SPEAKERor you submit an application and say, hey, I have a project.

09:15SPEAKERHere's what the project is.

09:15SPEAKERHere's what state it's in.

09:17SPEAKERIt's either most of the way done.

09:18SPEAKERIt's all the way done.

09:19SPEAKERIt's been done in like out in the world for a while

09:22SPEAKERor it's in progress.

09:23SPEAKERAnd they'll give you anywhere from like a section

09:26SPEAKERin a 10 by 10 booth to like the, these kids used to build

09:31SPEAKERthree fully 3D motion simulators for flight Sims out of like,

09:35SPEAKERI mean, just to be clear, they were children of parents

09:37SPEAKERwho worked in Silicon Valley and probably made a bunch

09:39SPEAKERof money and the parents spent a lot like,

09:40SPEAKERbut it was like the computer club for their school.

09:42SPEAKERAnd they would build this huge thing and they'd bring it

09:45SPEAKERto Maker Faire and the science museum over in the East Bay

09:47SPEAKERand a couple other places.

09:48SPEAKERAnd I like all those kids ended up going to MIT and Caltech

09:52SPEAKERand stuff like that.

09:53SPEAKERSo like, it's a really wide range.

09:57SPEAKERAnd it's like some of the best stuff I've seen,

09:59SPEAKERlike there was a seventh grader who made a maglev train,

10:06SPEAKERlike an electromagnetic maglev train out of Arduinos

10:09SPEAKERand Raspberry Pis and stuff like that.

10:11SPEAKERAnd it was basically like the acceleration system

10:15SPEAKERfor like a roller coaster or for the maglev trains

10:18SPEAKERin Japan or Germany or whatever,

10:20SPEAKERthat he just rigged up with some electromagnets

10:22SPEAKERand some like scale, some train tracks and stuff.

10:24SPEAKERIt was really cool.

10:25SPEAKER- In microcosm, obviously, I'm sure it was.

10:27SPEAKERHow big was it?

10:28SPEAKERLike kind of electric, like model train size or?

10:31SPEAKER- It was a small scale model train that he used

10:34SPEAKERas the frame.

10:35SPEAKERAnd it was, the track was probably like six feet around

10:38SPEAKERor something.

10:39SPEAKERIt wasn't particularly, like it wasn't enormous.

10:41SPEAKER- How fast did it go?

10:42SPEAKER- It did not, it went to scale.

10:45SPEAKERIt was very fast in the real world.

10:47SPEAKERIt was, you know, it was cool that it worked.

10:49SPEAKERLike that was the neat thing was that he made it work

10:51SPEAKERand go around corners and stuff because like,

10:52SPEAKERit's relatively easy.

10:54SPEAKERLike you can make a maglev system

10:56SPEAKERwith some neodymium magnets

10:58SPEAKERthat like will take you a half hour to build.

11:00SPEAKERBut the fact that you had it going around corners

11:02SPEAKERand stuff was pretty awesome, I thought.

11:03SPEAKER- Yeah, that's so awesome.

11:05SPEAKERLike I'd certainly don't have the aptitude or skill set,

11:07SPEAKERbut like just thinking conceptually about

11:09SPEAKERwhat it would be really like to like write the routines

11:12SPEAKERto drive the magnets and stuff like that.

11:14SPEAKERLike conceptually taking those principles

11:16SPEAKERand expressing them through code and everything.

11:19SPEAKER- The point of the whole thing is that actually

11:21SPEAKERyou probably do have the skill set to do that.

11:23SPEAKERLike when you get down there and you start,

11:24SPEAKERthe thing that I told my daughter yesterday

11:26SPEAKERgoing this is the first time she's gone

11:27SPEAKERthat she was probably really old enough

11:29SPEAKERto ask questions for the people there.

11:32SPEAKERIt's like, look, the people here,

11:33SPEAKERyou don't have to be shy around these people.

11:34SPEAKERIf somebody brings their stuff to Maker Faire

11:36SPEAKERand has it set up and they're standing there next to it,

11:38SPEAKERthey're there because they love talking about it

11:40SPEAKERand they love to share that information.

11:41SPEAKERAnd if you have questions about it, you should just ask them.

11:44SPEAKERAnd like people are very giving.

11:48SPEAKERLike I talked to a guy who makes these laser cut

11:50SPEAKERwooden clocks about how he was putting designs on them.

11:52SPEAKERHe's like, oh, we originally just did decals

11:54SPEAKERand painted them.

11:55SPEAKERAnd then we were doing this and this and this.

11:56SPEAKERAnd then finally, when we started selling a certain number,

11:58SPEAKERwe were like, we should just buy an industrial inkjet printer

12:01SPEAKERand figure out how to print directly on the wood.

12:03SPEAKERAnd like, it was like, so that is that dude's business.

12:07SPEAKERAnd he was like, here's how I do it.

12:08SPEAKER- Interesting.

12:09SPEAKERI was gonna ask, are there people there

12:10SPEAKERthat are making full-time livings from,

12:13SPEAKERis that his full-time thing or is that a side hustle?

12:15SPEAKER- I didn't ask him if it was full-time.

12:16SPEAKERMy guess is it's probably the kind of thing

12:20SPEAKERthat's like the dangerously on the cusp,

12:22SPEAKERas I think you're aware of.

12:23SPEAKERYou and I have a unique perspective on that

12:26SPEAKERbecause it's like, yeah, if I really hustled,

12:29SPEAKERI could probably make this work.

12:30SPEAKERBut then what if people stop buying 3D printed wood clocks

12:33SPEAKERfor whatever reason?

12:34SPEAKER- You definitely in that position

12:35SPEAKERstart getting into calculations of like, okay,

12:37SPEAKERit's maybe not quite a living,

12:39SPEAKERbut how much time am I putting into it, right?

12:41SPEAKERIt's like, it's a return on time investment

12:43SPEAKERkind of calculus at that point.

12:45SPEAKER- Yeah, so there's that kind of stuff.

12:47SPEAKERThere's a lot of like crafty stuff.

12:49SPEAKERThere's like people that are making cookies

12:50SPEAKERand selling cookies, like commercial,

12:52SPEAKERlike small-scale commercial homemade cookies, basically.

12:55SPEAKER- Science cookies?

12:56SPEAKER- Just cookies, like they're just like,

12:59SPEAKERthey're like, there's a mixture of stuff

13:00SPEAKERthat you find at the fair and like the county fair

13:03SPEAKERand then also like maker stuff.

13:05SPEAKERSo there were like people that were building kits

13:09SPEAKERto do different electronic stuff

13:11SPEAKERand they were selling those kits on the site.

13:14SPEAKERSo you could buy a little bag that had everything you need

13:17SPEAKERto make like an LED Christmas tree ornament

13:19SPEAKERthat you could solder at home or even solder it there

13:22SPEAKERif you wanted to sit down and wait in line

13:23SPEAKERand take a soldering station.

13:25SPEAKERThey do like the learn to solder tent

13:27SPEAKERwas always a really popular thing

13:29SPEAKERwhere they bring the kids as young as like three or four

13:32SPEAKERand they sit them down

13:32SPEAKERand they teach them the right way to solder

13:34SPEAKERand well, how to be safe and all that kind of stuff.

13:36SPEAKER- That is awesome.

13:37SPEAKER'Cause soldering is something that's just arcane enough

13:39SPEAKERthat ideally you would want to talk to somebody

13:41SPEAKERwho really knows what they're doing.

13:42SPEAKERYou know, like I managed to fumble my way through

13:44SPEAKERa few PlayStation one mods 20 years ago

13:46SPEAKERand I can solder, I can solder like speaker wire

13:49SPEAKERor whatever back together.

13:50SPEAKERBut like talking to somebody who really knows

13:52SPEAKERwhat they're doing and getting to use like their nice stuff,

13:54SPEAKERthat's, man, that's invaluable.

13:55SPEAKER- Well, they were doing like through hole soldering on PCBs.

13:57SPEAKERSo like they were learning how to actually do

14:00SPEAKERlike the kind of soldering you use for a real project.

14:02SPEAKERYeah. - Yeah.

14:03SPEAKER- There's a lot of like college classes and clubs

14:07SPEAKERthat are bringing their demos.

14:09SPEAKERLike one local college of camera,

14:11SPEAKERwhich I think it was Davis, but I'm not 100%,

14:14SPEAKERhad brought a sand table that was like,

14:19SPEAKERso it was like a big table full of sand

14:20SPEAKERthat was all mounted up.

14:21SPEAKERAnd then they had a Kinect camera hanging up above it

14:24SPEAKERabout five feet in the air

14:25SPEAKERthat measured the depth of the sand.

14:28SPEAKERAnd then a projector that projected a topographic map

14:30SPEAKERon top of that.

14:32SPEAKERSo you could sculpt the sand

14:33SPEAKERto look like mountains and stuff.

14:34SPEAKERAnd then you could hold your fist above it

14:36SPEAKERto make a cloud that would make rainfall on the sand.

14:39SPEAKERYou could see how water would run down the side of the sand

14:41SPEAKERand it would fill up the projection

14:43SPEAKERwith a representation of water,

14:44SPEAKERwhere the water was holding,

14:46SPEAKERwhere there were lakes and ponds and stuff.

14:48SPEAKERAnd like, we just sat and played with that

14:49SPEAKERfor like 15, 20 minutes.

14:50SPEAKERIt was really, it was like, as my daughter said,

14:52SPEAKERthis is really chill.

14:53SPEAKERI like, this is like an ASMR video,

14:55SPEAKERbut we're in this big thing.

14:57SPEAKER- Wait, did she say it was like an ASMR?

14:58SPEAKER- Kids like ASMR videos, Brad.

15:00SPEAKER- Oh my God, the kids know about ASMR.

15:02SPEAKER- The kids know, you have no idea

15:04SPEAKERwhat the kids know about it all.

15:05SPEAKER- The kids created ASMR probably?

15:07SPEAKER- I don't think it was the kids that created ASMR, Brad.

15:10SPEAKER- That's what I get into.

15:13SPEAKERAnyway, this thing,

15:15SPEAKERthis sounds like the world's biggest science fair actually,

15:18SPEAKERwhich.

15:19SPEAKER- Yeah, it kind of is, yeah.

15:21SPEAKERBut then there's also other stuff that's like,

15:23SPEAKERlike there are people that,

15:24SPEAKERthere was a back section with industrial arts people

15:27SPEAKERwhere there were like potters and glass blowers

15:29SPEAKERand metal workers that had little portable forges set up

15:32SPEAKERand were like basically kind of there advertising their,

15:37SPEAKERhey, you can learn to be a potter,

15:38SPEAKERlearn to be a metal worker,

15:39SPEAKERlearn to be a glass blower at my studio,

15:41SPEAKERif you want to come take lessons in my studio.

15:44SPEAKERAnd that was fun, 'cause then the side effect of that

15:46SPEAKERis that they're saying they're blowing glass all day

15:48SPEAKERand you get to watch people blow glass all day,

15:50SPEAKERwhich is really fun.

15:51SPEAKER- This weird tangent here,

15:54SPEAKERhaving downloaded a bunch of HDR demo content for my new TV,

15:59SPEAKERglass blowing looks amazing.

16:01SPEAKER'Cause a lot of that HDR,

16:02SPEAKERso there's a bunch of glass blowing

16:04SPEAKERin some of the HDR demo videos I downloaded.

16:06SPEAKERIt just looks incredible to watch somebody do it.

16:08SPEAKERLike both the bright glowing aspect of it

16:10SPEAKERand just those really fluid motion

16:13SPEAKERof shaping the glass and everything.

16:14SPEAKERIt's very nice to watch.

16:15SPEAKER- I think I've recommended this on podcasts,

16:17SPEAKERmaybe not this one before, but if you don't,

16:20SPEAKERif you haven't watched it,

16:21SPEAKERthere's a show on Netflix called "Blown Away"

16:24SPEAKERthat's a Canadian reality show

16:26SPEAKERin the kind of vein of great British Bake Off

16:29SPEAKERwhere like the hosts are kind to people

16:31SPEAKERinstead of being mean.

16:32SPEAKERAnd it's like an uplifting experience

16:34SPEAKERbecause if you watch it starting from the beginning,

16:39SPEAKERthe first season, it's very clear

16:40SPEAKERthat like there was productions that was like,

16:42SPEAKERwe gotta make these people fight with each other.

16:43SPEAKERYou gotta make it really angry and really super dramatic.

16:45SPEAKERAnd then like two episodes in,

16:47SPEAKERthey realized that the mere act of blowing glass

16:50SPEAKERwas dramatic enough.

16:50SPEAKER'Cause like touching it on something that's not nuclear hot

16:54SPEAKERwill make it just explode.

16:56SPEAKER- Thanks.

16:57SPEAKER- That it was dramatic enough on its own

16:58SPEAKERand they could be kinder and gentler to the glass blowers.

17:01SPEAKERAnd it's totally worth watching if you're curious about it.

17:04SPEAKERYou'll learn a lot about glass blowing if nothing else.

17:07SPEAKERSo yeah, there's a lot of sculpture stuff.

17:12SPEAKERThere's a lot like, okay, so this is an important note.

17:15SPEAKERThe different Maker Faires have different tenors

17:17SPEAKERbased on where they are.

17:19SPEAKERSo like the San Francisco one has a lot of burner stuff,

17:22SPEAKERstuff that people take to Burning Man,

17:23SPEAKERlike little cars, electric cars

17:25SPEAKERthat are designed to drive around the desert

17:27SPEAKERand big metal sculptures that shoot flames

17:30SPEAKERand stuff like that.

17:31SPEAKERWhen we went to the one in New York at the Queens Fairgrounds

17:36SPEAKERfor Men in Black, they had a bunch of people

17:39SPEAKERfrom the New England technical colleges.

17:42SPEAKERThere was a ton more robot stuff and drone stuff.

17:45SPEAKERAnd like the technical high schools in New York

17:48SPEAKERwould bring teams that had done projects.

17:50SPEAKERLike there was a high school in Brooklyn

17:54SPEAKERthat the kids wanted to do a flight club,

17:56SPEAKERlike a remote controlled airplane club,

17:59SPEAKERbut it was too expensive.

18:01SPEAKER'Cause for somebody learning how to fly

18:04SPEAKERremote controlled airplanes, the cycle circle of life

18:06SPEAKERis that you spend 100 hours building the plane,

18:09SPEAKERyou take it out, you fly it for four minutes,

18:11SPEAKERyou crash and then you spend 100 hours fixing the plane.

18:14SPEAKERAnd they couldn't make that work on a school system.

18:16SPEAKERSo the kids instead engineered a flying wing design

18:21SPEAKERthat was just a cheap foam wing with ailerons

18:25SPEAKERon the two wings and two little basic servos

18:30SPEAKERand an electric motor that would power the flight.

18:32SPEAKERAnd it was like a $50 flying aircraft.

18:35SPEAKERSo they could learn to fly on the cheap

18:37SPEAKERand then have a path up that didn't involve

18:40SPEAKERspending hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars

18:42SPEAKERbuilding airplanes that would just be destroyed.

18:45SPEAKER- That's very cool.

18:46SPEAKER- So yeah, we saw the industrial arts demos,

18:49SPEAKERwe looked at the burner cars,

18:50SPEAKERwe got to climb into the burner cars,

18:51SPEAKERwhich is kind of nice 'cause it was a little smaller.

18:52SPEAKERWe looked at some of the big sculptures.

18:54SPEAKERThere's a huge orrery there.

18:57SPEAKERAn orrery is like a representation of the solar system

19:00SPEAKERthat the planets move at the right rates,

19:03SPEAKERmaybe not like one-to-one,

19:05SPEAKERbut like a scale speed of the rates of movement.

19:09SPEAKERAnd that was big enough to fit in like a warehouse.

19:12SPEAKERIt was huge.

19:15SPEAKERThere was like a big scale Lego build

19:17SPEAKERthat if you wanted to sit down and just build some Lego,

19:20SPEAKERthey were building, I think,

19:21SPEAKERa Typhoon class nuclear submarine.

19:25SPEAKERThe R2-D2 and BB-8 and chopper builders clubs

19:29SPEAKERwere there in force.

19:31SPEAKER- Are those people trying to replicate the props exactly,

19:35SPEAKERor is it more like riffs on R2-D2?

19:38SPEAKER- Little from column A, little from column B.

19:40SPEAKERThere's definitely people that want to make film accurate.

19:45SPEAKERFor example, there are two different colors of blue

19:47SPEAKERused on R2-D2, depending on which movie

19:49SPEAKERyou're trying to replicate, right?

19:51SPEAKERThere's R2-D2s that have the prequel arms

19:54SPEAKERand all the stuff that pops out of the front.

19:56SPEAKERThere's R2-D2s that have a lightsaber hole in the top

19:58SPEAKERthat'll shoot a lightsaber out.

20:00SPEAKERThere's Periscope R2-D2s.

20:02SPEAKERThere's some combination of the others.

20:03SPEAKERThere's like somebody made the, it's funny,

20:07SPEAKERpeople used to make pink and non-blue,

20:11SPEAKERdifferent color ways of R2-D2.

20:14SPEAKERAnd then the people at Lucasfilm

20:17SPEAKERwho were making the "Clone Wars" cartoon

20:20SPEAKERtook some of those and actually put them

20:21SPEAKERin the "Clone Wars" cartoon.

20:22SPEAKERSo now the R2, the Bay Area of R2 Builders Clubs,

20:26SPEAKERR2s are now, some of them are canonical.

20:30SPEAKERLet's see, they did, this is the first time

20:33SPEAKERI've seen a chopper in person.

20:35SPEAKERChopper is the robot from "Rebels."

20:38SPEAKERAnd I think it might be the first time,

20:40SPEAKERI don't know if this is the case,

20:41SPEAKERbut I know that one of the guys

20:42SPEAKERwho was one of the big R2 Builders, original guys,

20:45SPEAKERbuilt the chopper that they drove around Disneyland

20:50SPEAKERto promote "Rebels" when it was new

20:52SPEAKER10 years ago, eight years ago, whenever.

20:54SPEAKEROh man, I just looked up, that thing is a true trash can.

20:57SPEAKERChopper is like, if R2-D2 is chaotic good,

21:01SPEAKERChopper's chaotic evil. Yes.

21:03SPEAKERChopper's real good.

21:06SPEAKERBut yeah, so the R2-D2s are just driving around.

21:08SPEAKERThe R2-D2 that was cruising around,

21:11SPEAKERthey take turns going around the fair.

21:13SPEAKER'Cause turns out, children love R2-D2.

21:16SPEAKERHe's the same height as them.

21:17SPEAKERHe beeps, he whistles, he spins, he's exciting.

21:21SPEAKERI assume they build pretty decent speaker systems

21:23SPEAKERinto a lot of these.

21:24SPEAKERAlmost always.

21:25SPEAKERThe thing about the R2 Builders Clubs

21:26SPEAKERis they've been doing it for a long time now.

21:28SPEAKERAnd there's multiple generations of plans.

21:30SPEAKERThere's fully analog ones

21:31SPEAKERthat you would have built 10 years ago

21:32SPEAKERthat have a lead acid battery.

21:34SPEAKERThe more modern solid state ones are lighter

21:36SPEAKERand a little bit easier to operate and can do more stuff.

21:41SPEAKERSorry, it's just that whole scene

21:43SPEAKERof the really authentic movie prop replication scene

21:47SPEAKERis so fascinating to me

21:48SPEAKERbecause you have to be so exacting in a lot of details.

21:51SPEAKERAnd also, there's some kind of mystique

21:54SPEAKERto seeing something that you've seen on screen

21:56SPEAKERin a fantasy setting suddenly right in front of you.

21:59SPEAKERIt's a cool thing.

22:00SPEAKER- Having it be real in front of you is pretty amazing.

22:03SPEAKER- There's a power to that.

22:04SPEAKER- And especially for the little kids, right?

22:08SPEAKERThe little kids, it is exciting for me,

22:12SPEAKERbut watching little kids hunt R2-D2 is very good.

22:16SPEAKERAnd those guys have gone...

22:19SPEAKERThose are the people that originally...

22:20SPEAKERThey were one of the early prop replica things, right?

22:23SPEAKERThe R2 builders clubs have been going for 40 years now.

22:27SPEAKERAnd it's a thing where the mechanisms

22:31SPEAKERby which they build those,

22:32SPEAKERit's too much specialized hardware for one person

22:35SPEAKERto make all of it in less than a 10-year period.

22:37SPEAKERSo they do runs where one person is like,

22:41SPEAKER"Okay, I'm gonna machine out a bazillion of the bearing

22:46SPEAKERthat the head spins on."

22:47SPEAKERAnd one person's like, "I'm gonna make 50 doors,

22:50SPEAKERand I'm gonna make the feet,

22:50SPEAKERand I'm gonna make this, and I'm gonna do this."

22:53SPEAKERAnd you send your money for the ring bearing to one guy

23:00SPEAKERor you trade your thing for that for the other guy.

23:03SPEAKERAnd it's very much a community effort

23:05SPEAKEReach time there's a run of those made.

23:07SPEAKER- Okay, so I was envisioning each group

23:10SPEAKERhad its own bespoke design that they came up with.

23:12SPEAKERI didn't realize it's that standardized

23:14SPEAKERand distributed at this point.

23:15SPEAKERIs there a consortium defining the interconnects

23:19SPEAKERin your R2D2 units?

23:21SPEAKER- I think everybody, the thing is at this point,

23:23SPEAKERbecause of microcontrollers and stuff like the Raspberry Pi,

23:25SPEAKERthe internal stuff, and honestly,

23:27SPEAKERthe rise of drones has made the radio stuff

23:29SPEAKERa lot cheaper too.

23:31SPEAKERThat stuff is a lot of personal choice.

23:33SPEAKERBut the bearing for the head is a really expensive piece

23:36SPEAKER'cause it's a big round circular bearing

23:39SPEAKERthat's like a foot and a half across,

23:40SPEAKERand it's a kind of screwy size.

23:42SPEAKERSo either somebody has to make a bunch of them

23:45SPEAKERor you have to find a supplier that will sell you 200

23:48SPEAKERso you can get 50 for the group of people

23:50SPEAKERthat are building at that moment.

23:58SPEAKERJust to be clear, people absolutely do still just go out

24:00SPEAKERand build it on their own over a long period of time,

24:02SPEAKERand that's totally valid, whatever.

24:05SPEAKERBut the larger, faster, easier way to do it

24:07SPEAKERis to work with a group of people doing a run

24:10SPEAKERand just put them together.

24:12SPEAKER- I can have my own R2D2.

24:14SPEAKERBrad, the thing that they do now,

24:15SPEAKERthey used to use RC controllers,

24:17SPEAKERthe big ones with the antennas and stuff to control them.

24:19SPEAKERBut about 10, eight, 10 years ago,

24:22SPEAKERsomebody started designing Wiimote-style controllers

24:26SPEAKERthat you could just hide in the palm of your hand.

24:28SPEAKERAnd they do, it's basically the same idea.

24:32SPEAKERDo you know about the stormtrooper blasters at Disneyland?

24:35SPEAKER- Oh.

24:36SPEAKER- So the stormtrooper blasters

24:38SPEAKERhave a bazillion little buttons on them,

24:39SPEAKERand they can kind of cord commands

24:42SPEAKERto make the speaker and their headset

24:44SPEAKERmake them all have stormtrooper voice.

24:46SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

24:47SPEAKER- They have a pallet of 100 things that they can say,

24:49SPEAKERor 300 things they can say that are controlled

24:51SPEAKERby hitting different infinitesimally small switches

24:55SPEAKERon the blaster.

24:55SPEAKER- Interesting, that has to all be tactile, I assume, right?

24:59SPEAKERLike they can't, it's not like they can look down

25:00SPEAKERat their blaster to punch codes in.

25:02SPEAKERThey have to probably learn

25:03SPEAKERsome pretty sophisticated input scheme.

25:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a lot of memory, I'm sure.

25:09SPEAKERAnd so the R2 controllers are like that now.

25:11SPEAKERSo like we were sitting there,

25:12SPEAKERmy daughter was interacting with R2.

25:14SPEAKERI was looking around everywhere trying to find the dude

25:15SPEAKERthat was controlling R2 to thank him.

25:17SPEAKERAnd I eventually, I'm pretty sure it was a guy

25:20SPEAKERwho was kind of standing off to the side

25:21SPEAKERlooking at something else,

25:22SPEAKERbut just kind of stay in there.

25:23SPEAKERAnd he had an earpiece in, so I was like,

25:25SPEAKERhe's listening to the people talking to R2 up close,

25:27SPEAKERand he's doing the remote control stuff

25:29SPEAKERwith the controllers in his hands,

25:31SPEAKERand just driving around and doing R2 stuff.

25:33SPEAKERIt was really cool.

25:34SPEAKER- That's very cool.

25:35SPEAKERI am on the official website of the R2-D2 Builders Club

25:39SPEAKERlooking for, okay.

25:42SPEAKERI don't exactly have like a link

25:44SPEAKERto just like click here to buy kits necessarily,

25:46SPEAKERbut I'm curious like how much it would cost

25:48SPEAKERto build your own whole ass functional R2-D2.

25:51SPEAKER- You're talking thousands of dollars.

25:53SPEAKERIt's a lot of bespoke parts and also probably 1,000,

25:57SPEAKER2,000 hours, like it's a lot of work.

26:00SPEAKER- Oh wow, also I'm looking like my Make Magazine actually

26:02SPEAKERis like the second Google result for building one.

26:06SPEAKERWhen they've got photos of here that they built

26:08SPEAKERis not distressed in any way.

26:09SPEAKERIt is like pristine, like right off the factory floor,

26:13SPEAKERseeing a completely clean new R2-D2 is like a weird,

26:17SPEAKERit's hard to parse because you're so used to seeing

26:19SPEAKERthat thing very like scored up and burned and stuff.

26:22SPEAKER- Well, he shows up clean in the movies a few times,

26:25SPEAKERlike at the end of the, like the metal scene in Star Wars,

26:28SPEAKERhe's got in a bath, but yeah, it's really cool

26:33SPEAKERwatching the different ways people weather them

26:35SPEAKERand different ways people handle them.

26:36SPEAKERAnd then also like the WALL-E club is building WALL-Es.

26:39SPEAKER- Oh wow, yeah.

26:40SPEAKER- WALL-E's a little trickier 'cause his scale changes

26:43SPEAKERthroughout the movie 'cause it's animated

26:44SPEAKERand Pixar cheats a little bit.

26:47SPEAKERSo there's basically a few different scales

26:48SPEAKERthat people build that for WALL-E.

26:50SPEAKER- Also there's like, I mean, I don't know how much

26:52SPEAKERthis was replicated in the builds,

26:53SPEAKERbut like there's a real like human facial expression aspects

26:56SPEAKERto that character that would be probably pretty hard

26:59SPEAKERto replicate mechanically.

27:00SPEAKER- Nope, you can do it.

27:01SPEAKER- Wow, okay, that's cool.

27:03SPEAKER- It turns out the hard part is the treads.

27:05SPEAKERThe treads were, we did a video with,

27:07SPEAKERI think Mike McMasters, maybe, I can't remember,

27:09SPEAKERit might have been the other Mike

27:10SPEAKERwho's last name, I can't remember,

27:12SPEAKERwho builds R2s and WALL-Es a long time ago.

27:16SPEAKERAnd he walked us through like the hard parts of the WALL-E,

27:20SPEAKERit turns out.

27:22SPEAKERLike it was interesting 'cause being on the beginning stages

27:25SPEAKERof the WALL-E was way different than coming in late

27:29SPEAKERto the R2s, right, where like R2s,

27:31SPEAKERthe problems with R2 are well established

27:33SPEAKERand people know what they are.

27:35SPEAKERThe problems with WALL-E were having to figure it out

27:37SPEAKERand they were having to do custom treads

27:39SPEAKERand all, like it was all, 'cause it was animated,

27:40SPEAKERit was all off the shelf stuff.

27:42SPEAKERI mean, it was all custom stuff rather than R2D2,

27:44SPEAKERwhich started out as a physical prop that was made

27:47SPEAKERwith basically stuff that you could find

27:48SPEAKERin a hardware store in England in 1975.

27:51SPEAKERSo anyway, the builders clubs were there.

27:55SPEAKERThey had some steam engines there, which was really cool.

27:58SPEAKERWe got to write a pushcart, the kiddo and I got to write

28:02SPEAKERlike a railroad pushcart and push the bars up and down,

28:04SPEAKERwhich I'd literally never done.

28:07SPEAKERNever seen that before.

28:08SPEAKER- Sounds fun.

28:10SPEAKER- And like a bunch of other, like there's,

28:11SPEAKERlike people bring stuff that they love.

28:13SPEAKERLike somebody had brought a bunch of like small scale motors

28:16SPEAKERand engines so you could see how they work.

28:18SPEAKERAnd it was a lovely, we spent like half a day there probably.

28:23SPEAKERSo it's definitely smaller.

28:25SPEAKERLike the old Maker Faire, Norm and I would go

28:27SPEAKERand spend two days shooting video basically.

28:31SPEAKERAnd now it's, this is a little bit smaller,

28:33SPEAKERbut I think it's a good start.

28:35SPEAKERAnd the new venue is pretty nice.

28:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's good that it came back.

28:38SPEAKERThat sounds like something valuable to have.

28:40SPEAKERDid you see any like new bleeding edge hardware

28:44SPEAKERin like the 3D printer space or anything like that?

28:46SPEAKEROr like were the vendors even there or?

28:49SPEAKER- Well, there were a few people with 3D printers.

28:51SPEAKERI saw, Evan was there, I didn't get to see him,

28:53SPEAKERbut he was there talking about Raspberry Pi fives.

28:58SPEAKER- I think the thing, when we talked to him earlier this year

29:01SPEAKERI was, from the way he was talking,

29:02SPEAKERI assumed like at least a year, year and a half

29:04SPEAKERbefore a Pi five and then like six months later, here we are.

29:07SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, there were a lot of people there.

29:11SPEAKERIt was nice 'cause it was smaller.

29:13SPEAKERIt was a little harder to get to.

29:15SPEAKERSo you were able to kind of see more stuff

29:17SPEAKERand you could talk to people more.

29:20SPEAKERI talked, we talked to, we talked to Lisa Winter,

29:24SPEAKERwho's a former BattleBot contestant, Robot Wars contestant.

29:27SPEAKERAnd I think is now a judge actually,

29:31SPEAKERwho's working with this company, Eliza Dolls,

29:35SPEAKERthat are basically building like,

29:39SPEAKERtheir whole thing is, hey,

29:43SPEAKERlike if you're a parent, you have a graveyard of STEM toys

29:45SPEAKERthat you bought for your kid

29:47SPEAKERthat they just didn't have any interest at all in.

29:50SPEAKERAnd they're building dolls for girls specifically

29:55SPEAKERthat you can do scratch coding.

29:57SPEAKERAnd like the dolls have microcontrollers built into the chest.

30:01SPEAKERYou can hook up those microcontrollers

30:02SPEAKERto a bunch of different things

30:04SPEAKERand then do scratch, write scratch programs

30:06SPEAKERthat you can blast over to the doll

30:08SPEAKERwith Bluetooth from an iPad.

30:10SPEAKER'Cause they were like, look, we looked at what the kids have.

30:11SPEAKERWe looked at what they like doing

30:13SPEAKERand like what they're doing on stuff like Roblox

30:15SPEAKERand things like that.

30:16SPEAKERAnd we wanted to give probably younger than my daughter,

30:18SPEAKERwho's 10, but like seven, six, seven year olds stuff to do

30:22SPEAKERthat like mimics that same thing that I had

30:24SPEAKERwhen I was learning how to write C for Arduinos,

30:27SPEAKERwhich was, oh, I wrote a program and the light changed color,

30:30SPEAKERwhich makes like,

30:32SPEAKERit turns out making an abstract concept concrete

30:35SPEAKERis really, really valuable for,

30:37SPEAKERespecially for early stages of learning

30:39SPEAKERthis kind of like abstract problems like programming.

30:44SPEAKERSo yeah, they're doing a Kickstarter later this year.

30:47SPEAKERBut like stuff we, other stuff we've seen,

30:49SPEAKERlike we saw Jerry Ellsworth brought her AR stuff there

30:53SPEAKERover the years.

30:55SPEAKERLike it's a place where people,

30:58SPEAKERthe open ROV people brought underwater rover kits,

31:02SPEAKERlike tethered underwater robots.

31:04SPEAKER- Wow.

31:05SPEAKER- 'Cause they literally looked at,

31:07SPEAKERthey were looking at what was happening with drones

31:09SPEAKERand they were looking at it and they're like,

31:12SPEAKERhey, look, man, we could build underwater rovers

31:14SPEAKERthat are a fraction of the cost.

31:17SPEAKER- Oh man, that's awesome.

31:18SPEAKER- Like there are places that you need expensive things

31:20SPEAKERto go to like the bottom of the ocean.

31:22SPEAKERBut also if you want to just go into a cave in Mexico

31:24SPEAKERand explore the cave,

31:26SPEAKERyou can buy something that's like not disposable,

31:29SPEAKERbut like a thousand dollars.

31:30SPEAKERYou can build something that's a thousand dollars

31:31SPEAKERand is really effective at that.

31:33SPEAKER- Like at least down to a few dozen feet probably.

31:36SPEAKER- Oh, way more than that.

31:37SPEAKER- If not maybe hundreds. - Hundreds of feet.

31:38SPEAKERBut yeah, hundreds of feet.

31:39SPEAKERThey're disposable because you,

31:42SPEAKERlike if they get stuck in current and get sucked away

31:44SPEAKERand you get into a current that's faster

31:46SPEAKERthan they can handle, you can't pull them back, right?

31:48SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

31:48SPEAKEROr if you're exploring like some tight cave system

31:51SPEAKERor even a wreck, I don't know what the like legal aspects

31:54SPEAKERwould be of like-

31:55SPEAKER- Fair game.

31:56SPEAKER- Diving a robot around a wreck,

31:57SPEAKERbut like I could see all kinds of cases

32:00SPEAKERwhere the robot could just get hung up

32:01SPEAKERand become irretrievable.

32:02SPEAKER- Or even if you have like a pond with a overflow

32:06SPEAKERand you need to build a robot to,

32:09SPEAKERlike you can use those to clear the duckweed

32:11SPEAKERthat gets jammed up in the spillway of your small pond.

32:16SPEAKERSo yeah.

32:17SPEAKER- I assume those must all be tethered, right?

32:19SPEAKERI think that like radio communication through water

32:21SPEAKERis basically a no-go.

32:22SPEAKER- Not good, yeah, it turns out.

32:23SPEAKERSo yeah, those are all tethered.

32:25SPEAKER- So cool, they put cameras on them and stuff, I assume?

32:27SPEAKER- Cameras, grabbers.

32:28SPEAKERSo the way those rovers work is there's a,

32:32SPEAKERusually there's a body that's enclosed and watertight.

32:35SPEAKERAnd then there's like a cargo,

32:37SPEAKERthere's two fins on the top

32:40SPEAKERthat you can attach a tube to that you can put cargo on.

32:42SPEAKERThat cargo can be either like grabbers

32:44SPEAKERand like nets to hold stuff.

32:46SPEAKERThey can be cameras, they can be whatever you want.

32:50SPEAKERSo I think you balanced it appropriately.

32:53SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes me think about,

32:54SPEAKERwe talked about the SS Ohioan,

32:57SPEAKERit's a shipwreck right off the coast of San Francisco.

32:59SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about it a few weeks ago, yeah, yeah.

33:00SPEAKER- Yeah, like I, we haven't been up there

33:02SPEAKER'cause A, it's really hard to time with low tide

33:05SPEAKERto actually get up there.

33:06SPEAKERLike last I checked, low tide,

33:08SPEAKERwas it like 6 a.m. or something?

33:09SPEAKERBut B, the other thing is I found out

33:11SPEAKERthat like the wreck is like far more degenerated

33:13SPEAKERthan I thought it was.

33:14SPEAKERIt's like, I think it's basically just like a pile of metal

33:17SPEAKERin the bay at this point.

33:18SPEAKERBut like what you're describing makes me think about,

33:21SPEAKERand also, I don't know,

33:22SPEAKERI don't know what the park rangers

33:23SPEAKERwould think about this up there,

33:24SPEAKERbut like if you could just go up there on the beach

33:26SPEAKERand to like feed that little robot into the water

33:28SPEAKERand like go explore around the base of that wreck

33:31SPEAKERand just look at stuff up close would be so cool.

33:33SPEAKER- Well, and the, I mean, they're,

33:35SPEAKERobviously you don't wanna lose them intentionally,

33:37SPEAKERbut because they're tethered

33:38SPEAKERand they get power from the shore rather than batteries,

33:42SPEAKERlike if you do lose a drone,

33:43SPEAKERit's not like you're leaking acid and battery goo

33:46SPEAKERinto the water for 50 years after it gets lost

33:51SPEAKERin an underwater cave or something.

33:53SPEAKER- What kind of mobile power source are we talking about?

33:55SPEAKER- You have a long wire that the,

33:57SPEAKERthere's a data wire and there's a power wire typically.

34:00SPEAKER- Okay.

34:00SPEAKER- So you have it plugged into a,

34:02SPEAKERlike a big lithium ion battery.

34:04SPEAKER- Giant battery.

34:05SPEAKER- Or like boat, like an ultra,

34:07SPEAKERlike a cigarette lighter adapter

34:08SPEAKERor something on the boat.

34:12SPEAKER- I guess a tiny robot really doesn't need that much power,

34:14SPEAKEReven though there's a lot of mechanical stuff there.

34:16SPEAKER- Yeah, so I mean,

34:17SPEAKERbut the smart thing about the open RV design,

34:20SPEAKERI don't think there was somebody else there doing open,

34:22SPEAKERopen source underwater rovers,

34:23SPEAKERbut I don't think it was the open RV guys.

34:25SPEAKERI didn't, my daughter wasn't interested,

34:26SPEAKERso we didn't stop and talk to them.

34:29SPEAKERBut they,

34:30SPEAKERtheir whole thing was they wanted to do cheap

34:31SPEAKERoff the shelf parts,

34:32SPEAKERwhich is why they were able to keep it under a grand.

34:34SPEAKERAnd-

34:36SPEAKER- Oh, this was a Kickstarter.

34:37SPEAKER- This long, it was one of the first Kickstarters.

34:39SPEAKERIt was early like 2010 or 2011.

34:41SPEAKER- And here's their GitHub repo

34:42SPEAKERfor all the software that runs on the robot.

34:44SPEAKER- Yeah, and they do,

34:46SPEAKERthey do, they've built at this point,

34:49SPEAKERprobably tens of thousands of drones

34:51SPEAKERand sold a bunch of kits.

34:53SPEAKERAnd like, I mean,

34:54SPEAKERalso if you have a laser cutter

34:56SPEAKERand the ability to cut acrylic and glue acrylic,

34:57SPEAKERyou could just build one yourself.

34:59SPEAKERYou don't need, you don't, like it's all open, right?

35:02SPEAKER- Wow.

35:03SPEAKER- It's just easier to support the project

35:05SPEAKERthan it is to source the parts yourself.

35:08SPEAKERSo yeah, that, the Eliza doll, the Ori,

35:11SPEAKERlike it was, it was,

35:13SPEAKERfor people who've gone to San Mateo Maker Faire,

35:15SPEAKERfor the big one, it's definitely smaller.

35:19SPEAKERLike it's, it's a little bit more out of the way,

35:23SPEAKERbut like the tickets were also cheaper.

35:25SPEAKERSo I was kind of, kind of, kind of works out.

35:27SPEAKERAnd it was a lovely way to spend an afternoon

35:29SPEAKERwith my daughter.

35:30SPEAKERWe had a good time, walked around, we bought a clock.

35:33SPEAKER- Nice.

35:34SPEAKER- Got a corgi clock, the corgi clock,

35:36SPEAKERthe feet go back and forth.

35:38SPEAKERThe tongue goes back and forth in the mouth.

35:40SPEAKERIt's very good.

35:41SPEAKER- Seems like a good place to get a good novelty clock.

35:43SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, it's just a nice, like you,

35:46SPEAKERit's the kind of thing you go to

35:47SPEAKERand you get inspired by it.

35:49SPEAKERAnd because it's a smaller venue, they're doing it twice.

35:52SPEAKERSo it's this weekend that we're recording this episode,

35:55SPEAKERthat this episode is coming out.

35:56SPEAKERIf you're in the Bay Area and you want to go,

35:57SPEAKERit's also going to be around next weekend too.

35:59SPEAKERAnd if you, I think the thing I would tell you

36:01SPEAKERis if you buy tickets offsite, they're cheaper,

36:05SPEAKERlike both parking tickets and the tickets to the event

36:08SPEAKERare cheaper than if you buy them onsite.

36:11SPEAKERSo get your Eventbrite on if you're going to go.

36:15SPEAKER- Great that it came back.

36:16SPEAKERSince it sounded like it was just dead

36:18SPEAKERand then all of a sudden it wasn't.

36:20SPEAKER- I am beyond thrilled that it's back.

36:23SPEAKERAnd it's at, I'm trying to figure out,

36:25SPEAKERit's Mare Island is what it is, not May Island, sorry.

36:28SPEAKERApologies.

36:31SPEAKER- All right.

36:33SPEAKERGet your island straight, I guess.

36:35SPEAKER- I know, I don't know my Bay Area's tiny island.

36:37SPEAKERIt's a really small island.

36:40SPEAKERBrad, you want to talk about your PC stuff?

36:42SPEAKERYou've been-

36:42SPEAKER- Yeah, we can get into it a little bit.

36:44SPEAKERYeah, we're just potpourri-ing it up here.

36:47SPEAKERAnd this has been on my mind the last couple of days,

36:49SPEAKERI'll talk about.

36:50SPEAKERI may do, excuse me, I may do nothing here.

36:53SPEAKER- Really?

36:54SPEAKER- I've been having some issues with my AMD build

36:57SPEAKERover the last month.

36:59SPEAKERI clearly am not alone in that.

37:01SPEAKER- What kind of issues, just out of curiosity.

37:03SPEAKER- Even on our Discord,

37:04SPEAKERthe issues seem to be specific to the motherboard I'm using.

37:06SPEAKERI don't think it's an AMD problem.

37:08SPEAKER- Is it like crashes and stuff like that?

37:10SPEAKER- It's a weird combination of crashes where,

37:14SPEAKERand basically this is like 10% of the time

37:17SPEAKERthat I turned the computer on

37:18SPEAKERbecause the other 90% of the time, it's totally fine.

37:20SPEAKERIt was totally fine 100% of the time

37:22SPEAKERfrom like April to September, right?

37:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:24SPEAKER- And then all of a sudden out of nowhere,

37:25SPEAKERand this seems to be common

37:26SPEAKERto people running into this issue,

37:28SPEAKERthings just start going to shit is the best way

37:30SPEAKERI can explain it

37:31SPEAKERbecause it's never quite the same crash twice.

37:34SPEAKERLike-

37:35SPEAKER- Oh, that's not what you want.

37:35SPEAKER- It's a combination of like the machine may just never post

37:39SPEAKERor it may post.

37:40SPEAKERAnd then this is the weird stuff.

37:42SPEAKERLike parts of the system start sort of failing,

37:45SPEAKERwhether it is Bluetooth or networking or USB

37:48SPEAKERor some combination thereof.

37:50SPEAKER- Like you just hear the doo-doo sound and it disconnects?

37:52SPEAKER- It's not that clean.

37:55SPEAKERLike it's not like Windows just suddenly doesn't see it.

37:57SPEAKERIt's more like, oh,

37:58SPEAKERI was in the middle of downloading something on Steam

38:01SPEAKERand then the entire system seized up

38:03SPEAKERand started updating the screen about once every second.

38:07SPEAKERAnd then when I rebooted and looked at event viewer,

38:09SPEAKERI saw tons and tons of storage errors in the log

38:11SPEAKERand also saw the Bluetooth device.

38:14SPEAKERBut I guess that's what I'm getting at.

38:16SPEAKERIt's stuff where you need to dig into the event logs

38:17SPEAKERto actually see what failed in some cases.

38:19SPEAKERAlthough there have been other cases

38:20SPEAKERwhere the machine was more or less still responsive,

38:23SPEAKERbut none of the input devices worked anymore

38:25SPEAKERbecause the USB had died.

38:27SPEAKER- Jesus.

38:28SPEAKER- It's just super random.

38:30SPEAKERAnd again, this is only maybe like,

38:34SPEAKERI'm running into it like at most,

38:36SPEAKERI think I've had it happen maybe three,

38:38SPEAKERfour times in a week at most

38:39SPEAKERsince this started about a month ago.

38:40SPEAKER- That's a lot.

38:41SPEAKER- It's enough to be annoying even though like,

38:44SPEAKERand this seems common to everybody.

38:45SPEAKERLike it's basically a situation

38:46SPEAKERwhere you just hard power off and turn it back on.

38:48SPEAKERAnd you're basically looking for a good boot.

38:51SPEAKERLike it's basically a crap shoot

38:54SPEAKERif you're going to get a good boot or a bad boot.

38:55SPEAKERAnd most of the time they're good boots,

38:57SPEAKERbut when they're not, it's pretty catastrophic.

38:58SPEAKER- Is this for all the first wave boards from Gigabyte

39:02SPEAKERor is this just one specific board that has a bad rev?

39:04SPEAKER- So until today, it's all, it's been 100%

39:07SPEAKERlike looking on Reddit and me

39:09SPEAKERand one other guy on our Discord.

39:11SPEAKERIt's all been the X670E Aorus Master,

39:14SPEAKERwhich I believe is the board

39:16SPEAKERthat most people reviewed these CPU's on.

39:18SPEAKERSo it was just pretty like widespread.

39:19SPEAKERAnd I think probably a lot of people picked it up

39:21SPEAKERbecause it was the board people were using to review.

39:25SPEAKERSomeone else on the Discord popped up

39:26SPEAKERwith the same issues today.

39:27SPEAKERThat's using an Aorus Extreme though,

39:29SPEAKERwhich is kind of same chip set and kind of the same,

39:32SPEAKERit's not the same model.

39:33SPEAKERThere are absolutely differences.

39:34SPEAKER- Same vendor though.

39:35SPEAKER- Yes, same vendor, same chip set.

39:38SPEAKERThis does seem like a Gigabyte issue.

39:40SPEAKERThis does not seem like a widespread AMD issue.

39:43SPEAKER- Does it seem like a thing that they could fix

39:45SPEAKERwith a firmware update or is it?

39:46SPEAKER- That's my hope, that's my hope.

39:48SPEAKERBut that's the other thing they have been,

39:50SPEAKERthey've been pretty slow on rolling BIOS updates out.

39:53SPEAKERIt's been three months since the last stable BIOS.

39:56SPEAKER- Oof.

39:57SPEAKER- They put out via beta updates,

39:58SPEAKERbut I kind of am not in the running beta BIOS game anymore.

40:02SPEAKERBut people on the Reddit who are using

40:03SPEAKERthe most recent beta BIOS are having the same issues.

40:05SPEAKER- Still happens, oh boy.

40:07SPEAKER- To be clear, this could be like 0.1% of the people

40:10SPEAKERwho own this motherboard.

40:11SPEAKER- Yeah, but the fact that we've seen three people

40:13SPEAKERon our Discord have similar problems with the same,

40:15SPEAKERI mean, part of it, the sample skews high

40:16SPEAKERbecause you built a machine with that board

40:18SPEAKERand people probably follow you.

40:19SPEAKERI mean, I know specifically one of them said

40:20SPEAKERI bought this board because Brad built his machine with it.

40:23SPEAKER- Makes me feel terrible, I apologize for that.

40:25SPEAKER- It happens, that happens.

40:28SPEAKER- So anyway, it's kind of a bummer.

40:30SPEAKERAnyway, because this has been going on,

40:32SPEAKERmaybe they fix it in a BIOS update.

40:34SPEAKERI think I'm maybe willing to give it

40:37SPEAKERtill the end of the year or something.

40:38SPEAKERAnd if it's not fixed by January,

40:41SPEAKERI might be like, all right, enough of this.

40:43SPEAKER- Time to do something new.

40:44SPEAKER- Yes, so my options seem to be

40:48SPEAKERjust replace the motherboard with a different vendor

40:49SPEAKERbecause that doesn't, this does not seem to be an issue

40:53SPEAKERacross this entire platform.

40:56SPEAKEROr if I'm swapping the motherboard anyway,

40:58SPEAKERshould I also just move to an Intel system instead?

41:03SPEAKER- Oh, give it up.

41:05SPEAKER- Like this following on from the emulating CPU thing

41:09SPEAKERearlier this year is kind of a lot for this new platform.

41:13SPEAKER- The emulating CPU thing was relatively narrow though,

41:16SPEAKERit seems like in retrospect.

41:18SPEAKER- Yes, well, it was a systemic issue,

41:20SPEAKERbut it was only manifesting in like burnt CPUs

41:22SPEAKERin a small number of cases.

41:24SPEAKERBut the voltage issues that were causing it were endemic.

41:28SPEAKERLike there were emergency BIOS updates rushed out

41:31SPEAKERbecause like basically everybody was handling voltage wrong.

41:35SPEAKER- Some CPUs just couldn't take the heat,

41:37SPEAKERis what I'm saying.

41:38SPEAKER- Is that a weak CPU that you got what you deserve?

41:41SPEAKER- Maybe just need to, the CPU just needs to go to the gym.

41:43SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm skipping leg day CPU.

41:46SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, now I may do nothing if this clears up,

41:49SPEAKERalthough even like if it clears up

41:51SPEAKERfor some couple of months,

41:53SPEAKERlike am I ever gonna truly trust this thing again?

41:54SPEAKERI don't know.

41:56SPEAKERAnd of course this is all-

41:57SPEAKER- And you ever really trust any computer, Brad,

41:58SPEAKERthat's the question we all need to ask.

42:00SPEAKER- That's a very good point.

42:01SPEAKERAnd it's only because, you know,

42:02SPEAKERthis is not just my personal machine,

42:04SPEAKERit's also my work machine,

42:05SPEAKERthat this is such a dire thing, like it needs to work.

42:07SPEAKER- It's funny, I was on Full Nerd with Adam

42:11SPEAKERand Steve from Gamers Nexus this week.

42:14SPEAKERAnd we were talking about what your benefit,

42:17SPEAKERwhat your reliability metric is.

42:20SPEAKERAnd he's like, well, you know, if I mess up my computer,

42:22SPEAKERI can just go into one of the other computers

42:24SPEAKERin the office and use it and it's no big deal.

42:26SPEAKERI was like, yeah, that's nice.

42:28SPEAKERIf I mess up my computer, I don't make money that week.

42:30SPEAKERAnd he's like, yep, that gives you a different kind of,

42:34SPEAKERit's lost work, any lost work is bad.

42:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's absolutely the case here.

42:40SPEAKERSo anyway, yeah, like I said,

42:42SPEAKERA, I'm not sure I ever want to trust this board again,

42:44SPEAKEReven if they do supposedly clear this stuff up,

42:46SPEAKERalthough to date, there's been no indication

42:48SPEAKERthey have been able to do that or will be able to do that.

42:50SPEAKERI should also mention there are people on Reddit

42:52SPEAKERwho have RMA'd this board at least once, if not twice.

42:55SPEAKER- And still doing it.

42:56SPEAKER- And the replacements eventually manifest the same issues.

42:59SPEAKERAnd that's actually the weird thing,

43:00SPEAKERis that it seems like in all cases,

43:02SPEAKERit takes some time for these things to start breaking.

43:05SPEAKER- That feels bad.

43:06SPEAKER- Yes, it's one of those nebulous, like, is this thing good?

43:10SPEAKERIs it going to continue to be good

43:11SPEAKERfor another two or three years?

43:12SPEAKEROr is it just, yeah.

43:14SPEAKERSo anyway, I might swap the motherboard.

43:18SPEAKERI might swap the whole thing, I'm not sure.

43:20SPEAKERI don't know that like you've had your issues with Intel.

43:23SPEAKERSo it's not like Intel was perfect these days either,

43:25SPEAKERbut you know.

43:27SPEAKER- It's been like compared to the 9900K machine

43:30SPEAKERI built a few years ago, this machine has been frustrating.

43:33SPEAKERWe talked about that on this episode too.

43:35SPEAKERLike it's between memory, CPU's dying, memory dying,

43:39SPEAKERall sorts of other stuff.

43:40SPEAKERIt's been like, it's, everything's more complicated.

43:43SPEAKERSo there's more points of failure it seems like.

43:45SPEAKER- I guess that's what it is.

43:46SPEAKERLike combined with, you know,

43:47SPEAKERjust the calamity of the last three years.

43:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, yeah.

43:52SPEAKER- It feels like things maybe are just

43:54SPEAKERat a rickety place right now.

43:56SPEAKERThat said, you know, 14th gen Intel stuff is coming out.

44:00SPEAKERAnd like, this is an uncommonly long period

44:02SPEAKERfor Intel to be on the same platform,

44:04SPEAKERsame chip sets and socket and everything.

44:06SPEAKER- Yeah, two CPU's.

44:08SPEAKER- Right, so I'm actually thinking like, okay,

44:10SPEAKERif priority number one is for this thing

44:13SPEAKERto be as stable as possible,

44:14SPEAKERthen this seems like even if it's an unexciting platform,

44:18SPEAKERit's probably the most mature and stable at this point.

44:20SPEAKER- Well, it seems like if you don't do stupid,

44:23SPEAKERlike I did stupid, I did hot rod memory.

44:26SPEAKERIf it seems like if I hadn't done hot rod memory,

44:27SPEAKERI probably wouldn't have had problems with memory at least.

44:30SPEAKER- That actually would be an interesting aspect

44:31SPEAKERto this build is that I have an AMD expo kit, memory kit.

44:35SPEAKERSo like, if I were to throw that in, it would work.

44:37SPEAKERIt would absolutely work.

44:38SPEAKER- You'd have to set it up manually though.

44:40SPEAKER- The motherboard would probably,

44:41SPEAKERI'm quite sure an Intel motherboard

44:43SPEAKERis not gonna be able to read expo profiles.

44:46SPEAKER- I wonder if it also has the XMP profile.

44:47SPEAKERSo it doesn't, does it?

44:49SPEAKER- Doubt it?

44:50SPEAKERUnless maybe there's some internal mechanism

44:52SPEAKERfor like exposing both formats.

44:54SPEAKER- I don't know.

44:54SPEAKER- I doubt it, I highly doubt it.

44:56SPEAKER- That's an Adam Wood done answer.

44:57SPEAKERI don't know that one unfortunately.

44:59SPEAKER- I assume you could just set all the timings manually

45:01SPEAKERand it'd be just fine.

45:02SPEAKER- Yeah, you can always set the timings manually

45:04SPEAKERand it'd be just fine.

45:04SPEAKERIt's just like there's, at this point,

45:06SPEAKERthe number of memory timing settings is,

45:08SPEAKERit's gone from like, hey, voltage and clock speed

45:11SPEAKERto shit that I don't even understand.

45:14SPEAKERAnd I've been doing this for 20 years.

45:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it was like, it was clock voltage

45:18SPEAKERand like the four basic like cast latency type metrics.

45:22SPEAKERAnd now there are like,

45:23SPEAKERevery board I've touched in the last five years

45:26SPEAKERexposes like a two dozen extra sub-timings.

45:28SPEAKER- You got your strobe, you know what your strobe is Brett?

45:30SPEAKERYou know, your strobe to two latency is?

45:32SPEAKERI don't know.

45:33SPEAKER- The upside is that it feels like the,

45:34SPEAKERlike leaving everything on auto,

45:36SPEAKERlike memory training has gotten pretty good.

45:38SPEAKERIt feels like to me.

45:40SPEAKERLike I've had some cases where I was able to solve

45:44SPEAKERmemory instability stuff by just resetting everything

45:45SPEAKERto auto and letting the board figure it out.

45:48SPEAKER- Maybe, yeah, I haven't tried that actually.

45:50SPEAKER- So I'm not too worried about putting AMD memory in.

45:54SPEAKER- In my experience, when I set my board to auto,

45:55SPEAKERit goes to the jet X speed,

45:57SPEAKERwhich is always really, really slow.

45:58SPEAKER- Yes, that's what I had to do was let it figure

46:00SPEAKERall that stuff out.

46:01SPEAKERAnd then I just bumped the clock speed.

46:02SPEAKERThis is on an older build that I'm no longer using.

46:05SPEAKERBut I think that memory would be fine.

46:08SPEAKER- And then after that bit,

46:09SPEAKERyou have a thing that says water cooling, maybe?

46:13SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's the other weird thing I'm running into.

46:15SPEAKERLike one of the reasons I got this big gigabyte board

46:17SPEAKERis they're like basically the only vendor on the market

46:19SPEAKERwho is still spacing PCIe slots,

46:22SPEAKERwhich I need all of out in such a way

46:25SPEAKERthat you can use a big three slot board.

46:26SPEAKER- Capture cards and NIC.

46:28SPEAKER- Yes, I've got the high-speed network card

46:30SPEAKERto go to my NAS, and I've got the video capture card.

46:34SPEAKEREverybody generally is spacing the slots

46:36SPEAKERso that if you're using a three slot GPU,

46:38SPEAKERyou can't use the second slot.

46:40SPEAKERIt's just block.

46:41SPEAKER- Right.

46:42SPEAKER- So that was part of why I picked this board

46:43SPEAKERin the first place.

46:44SPEAKERSo if I swap to another board,

46:45SPEAKERthat's most likely going to be an issue.

46:48SPEAKERSo I could either get a smaller graphics card

46:51SPEAKERor I could just water cool the 4090, which is--

46:53SPEAKER- I'm surprised that nobody's come up with a two slot 4090

46:56SPEAKERat this point, honestly.

46:57SPEAKER- I, that might be something that'll happen eventually.

47:00SPEAKERI'm not going to say for sure, but maybe some, I don't know.

47:04SPEAKER- Okay, I would have thought it would have happened by now,

47:06SPEAKERbut--

47:07SPEAKER- It may have happened, actually I could.

47:09SPEAKER- But the water cooling's tempting.

47:12SPEAKERThe only problem with the water cooling,

47:14SPEAKERand I, so when I was at max PC, I always had water cooled.

47:17SPEAKERI always built water cooling loops,

47:18SPEAKERmainly because there was just shit laying around

47:21SPEAKERand I could idly put one together, and then there I was.

47:24SPEAKER- Yes, it's not cheap, I will tell you,

47:26SPEAKERfrom looking, just even the cursory survey

47:30SPEAKERof what's out there, it's not cheap.

47:31SPEAKER- It's not even that, but at max PC,

47:33SPEAKERI had my home machine that was basically

47:35SPEAKERjust for playing games at home.

47:37SPEAKERAnd then we had test beds at the office,

47:39SPEAKERso when I needed to test something new,

47:41SPEAKERI used the test bed at the office.

47:42SPEAKERI didn't have to tear down my machine at home

47:43SPEAKERto test stuff.

47:45SPEAKERAnd when we moved over to test it, that changed.

47:49SPEAKERSo it stopped being practical when I had to,

47:52SPEAKERif I was going to test a new video card or something,

47:54SPEAKERI would have had to tear down the water cooling loop

47:56SPEAKERin order to put a new video card in,

47:57SPEAKERwhich is just more of a pain in the ass

47:59SPEAKERthat I was willing to deal with.

48:01SPEAKER- That's obviously a non-starter.

48:02SPEAKERI mean, my hope, if I did this,

48:04SPEAKERmy hope is that I would get a combo of hardware

48:06SPEAKERthat was solid enough that I could knock on wood.

48:08SPEAKERI mean, I know this is never actually the reality,

48:10SPEAKERbut as close as possible to just put it all together

48:12SPEAKERand get it going and then not touch it

48:14SPEAKERfor the next two to three years.

48:17SPEAKER- Having looked at this stuff

48:18SPEAKERwhen I was going into the build for this machine,

48:19SPEAKERit seems like that's much more doable now,

48:21SPEAKERespecially if you have room for a couple of radiators

48:23SPEAKERand stuff like that.

48:26SPEAKER- The all-in-one pumps with the reservoirs

48:28SPEAKERare more common and normal now.

48:29SPEAKERIt used to be the yet to find a place

48:30SPEAKERto put a big, giant water cooling column.

48:33SPEAKER- Have you heard how big my case is?

48:36SPEAKER- It's pretty, but I mean, it's,

48:39SPEAKERyeah, you have plenty of,

48:40SPEAKERyou can put all the radiators in the world.

48:41SPEAKERYou don't see problems.

48:43SPEAKER- This is pretty much why I bought the biggest case

48:45SPEAKERI could find just to leave options

48:46SPEAKERfor any and everything that could possibly happen.

48:48SPEAKER- I mean, you could fit a whole second computer in there

48:50SPEAKERif you spaced it out well and tapped some holes.

48:54SPEAKER- I was looking at the manual yesterday.

48:55SPEAKERI think you can fit, gosh, what was it?

48:59SPEAKERYou can fit a 360 millimeter, a 280 millimeter,

49:02SPEAKERand a 420 millimeter radiator,

49:04SPEAKERall in this case at one time.

49:05SPEAKERIf you're willing to, that's with no optical drive,

49:08SPEAKERthat's with, that's the maximal water cooling setup,

49:12SPEAKERbut it's like absurd, the amount of surface area

49:15SPEAKERyou can put in this thing.

49:16SPEAKER- Do people even make 420 millimeter radiators now?

49:19SPEAKER- Yes, they do.

49:20SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

49:22SPEAKERBut yeah, it's less of an issue these days.

49:25SPEAKERAnd you can do the all-in-one pumps with the reservoir

49:28SPEAKERon a self-built kit, so you don't have to have

49:31SPEAKERthe big reservoir if you don't want to.

49:33SPEAKERIt's all more manageable.

49:35SPEAKER- You tell me my impression of the point of the reservoir

49:37SPEAKERfrom two hours of looking at the stuff yesterday.

49:40SPEAKERA, seems like an easier way to get water out of the line

49:43SPEAKERas it runs.

49:44SPEAKER- The air out of the line, yeah.

49:45SPEAKER- Or, I'm sorry, air, yes, that's what I meant, sorry.

49:48SPEAKERWe bleed the air out as it runs,

49:50SPEAKERand B, it sounds like the more liquid in the loop in general,

49:53SPEAKERkind of the more efficient the cooling

49:56SPEAKERor the better the cooling.

49:57SPEAKER- Well, the trick with water cooling is that the liquid

49:59SPEAKERhas higher heat capacity, right?

50:01SPEAKERSo it both transmits heat easier and it holds a lot of heat.

50:06SPEAKERSo yeah, like if you have an extra half liter of water

50:09SPEAKERin your reservoir, that's 80 calories per degree Celsius

50:16SPEAKERof energy or something like that.

50:19SPEAKERSo yeah, you're holding capacity for heat in that loop

50:24SPEAKERwill be more the more liquid you have in there.

50:27SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds appealing to me.

50:28SPEAKERI'd tell you some thanks to Robo Jeff on the Discord,

50:31SPEAKERtalked to him some yesterday about the stuff.

50:33SPEAKERHe basically said that the more you overbuild

50:36SPEAKERthe heat capacity, the quieter the whole thing will be,

50:38SPEAKERobviously, 'cause the fans don't need to run as hard.

50:41SPEAKER- Well, yeah, 'cause it sounds appealing.

50:42SPEAKERThe trick is it takes 80 calories of heat per gram of water

50:46SPEAKERper degree Celsius to raise the temperature

50:49SPEAKERof one degree Celsius.

50:51SPEAKERSo that means you literally, it will take longer

50:55SPEAKERfor the whole loop to raise the temperature,

50:57SPEAKERwhich means it'll take longer for your fans to spin up,

51:00SPEAKERbecause presumably if you do this,

51:01SPEAKERyou have a way to measure the liquid temperature

51:03SPEAKERand that's what you set your fan curves to

51:05SPEAKERfor the radiators, right?

51:07SPEAKERAnd then, yeah, it's a nice way to do it.

51:12SPEAKERThe trade-off is that machine essentially is a,

51:16SPEAKERyou're not gonna change that

51:17SPEAKERand you're never gonna have the brand new video card,

51:19SPEAKER'cause it always takes them six months

51:20SPEAKERto make new water blocks for the new video cards.

51:22SPEAKER- Yes, the machine would become

51:24SPEAKERkind of a fixed point in time.

51:26SPEAKER- Yeah, which is fine.

51:27SPEAKERThe way you will use computers, it totally works.

51:29SPEAKER- Yeah, like I just need this thing to go

51:31SPEAKERfor the next two, three years, especially, like,

51:33SPEAKERIntel is going to ride out this tile transition,

51:37SPEAKERlike, you know, he's got its issues.

51:38SPEAKERLike, it would be nice to have something

51:39SPEAKERjust kind of old and reliable

51:41SPEAKERuntil everybody sorts their stuff out.

51:44SPEAKERThis is a big hierarchy of maybes.

51:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:47SPEAKER- Like, am I even gonna swap the board?

51:49SPEAKERIf I do, am I gonna actually have these cooling issues?

51:51SPEAKERIf that's the case, am I gonna water cool?

51:53SPEAKERLike, it's a big maybe to all of it,

51:54SPEAKERbut it's fun to think about.

51:56SPEAKER- Well, if Gigabyte gets their shit together

51:57SPEAKERand gives you a firmware update that fixes the problem, then--

51:59SPEAKER- I mean, if they unequivocally come out and say,

52:01SPEAKER"Hey, we have identified this issue

52:03SPEAKER"and fixed it in this BIOS update," then--

52:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:06SPEAKER- Like, anything short of that, I feel like I'm,

52:08SPEAKERI don't know, I mean, even if they didn't say that,

52:10SPEAKERif I made it six months without a crash,

52:13SPEAKERmaybe then I would feel okay, but I don't know.

52:15SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm sorry you've had such a problem with it.

52:17SPEAKER- That's okay.

52:18SPEAKER- That kind of stuff, that kind of stuff is maddening

52:19SPEAKER'cause it's like the computer's gaslighting you

52:21SPEAKERand you don't know whether it's you

52:22SPEAKERor if you've done something wrong or if, like,

52:24SPEAKERyeah, it's hard to deal with.

52:26SPEAKER- I will deal with problems all day long

52:27SPEAKERwhen it's clear what the problem is

52:29SPEAKERand how it has to do about it,

52:30SPEAKERbut when it's this nebulous invisible,

52:32SPEAKERlike, something is just, yeah.

52:34SPEAKERI think you may have actually had worse issues

52:36SPEAKERthan I have so far.

52:38SPEAKER- I mean, the memory dying and the CPU memory controller

52:42SPEAKERconking out were annoying, but not, like,

52:44SPEAKERit was easy to fix 'cause it was just like RMA

52:47SPEAKERand get the new hardware and then you're back in business.

52:49SPEAKER- Sure.

52:50SPEAKERAnyway, if anybody in the Discord wants to hit me up

52:53SPEAKERabout water cooling stuff,

52:54SPEAKERmaybe that would be fun to talk about.

52:56SPEAKER- There you go.

52:57SPEAKERI bought something stupid a couple of weeks ago

53:00SPEAKERand put it in and set it up.

53:03SPEAKERSo I have in my computer a bunch of fractal fans,

53:07SPEAKERaspect fans, that have RGB

53:11SPEAKERand they're plugged directly into headers

53:13SPEAKERon the motherboard for the fan side,

53:17SPEAKERbut the RGB, I had 'em daisy chained

53:19SPEAKER'cause they're set up to do that.

53:20SPEAKERBut when you daisy chain these fans,

53:21SPEAKERthey're daisy chained in parallel,

53:24SPEAKERwhich means each of the fans has like six LEDs on it,

53:28SPEAKERbut when you daisy chain them,

53:29SPEAKERinstead of seeing three fans on a chain,

53:31SPEAKERyou don't see 18 LEDs, you see six LEDs

53:35SPEAKERand then all of the fans mirror each other, basically.

53:37SPEAKER- Right.

53:40SPEAKER- I wasn't able to get the smooth transitions

53:42SPEAKERfrom front to back and top to bottom

53:43SPEAKERon my radiators and my fans that I wanted with that.

53:46SPEAKERSo I looked at, I've been using open RGB

53:50SPEAKERto control the lights on the computer for a while.

53:53SPEAKEROpen RGB is nice because it uses open source interfaces

53:57SPEAKERwith the hardware, so you don't have to install

53:59SPEAKERall of the software that the vendors ship.

54:00SPEAKERSo I don't have like Razer Chroma and ASUS's thing

54:04SPEAKERand all the different bullshit on the computer.

54:06SPEAKERI just have this one piece of software.

54:08SPEAKER- We may have said this exact thing before,

54:10SPEAKERbut it sounds like it's basically Home Assistant for RGB.

54:12SPEAKER- It is very similar to Home Assistant

54:14SPEAKERin that it works without having to have,

54:16SPEAKERsometimes Home Assistant has to have

54:17SPEAKERthe other stuff installed someplace though,

54:19SPEAKERjust for the record.

54:19SPEAKERBut yes, it is very similar ethos.

54:23SPEAKERThe idea is that you could just install

54:25SPEAKERthis one piece of software and it'll see

54:27SPEAKERall of your RGB stuff.

54:29SPEAKERSo I bought an open RGB compatible light controller

54:36SPEAKERfrom, which is a Razer Chroma, they do one

54:39SPEAKERthat has fan control and USB, and one that's just USB.

54:42SPEAKERI bought the just ARGB, I bought the just ARGB one.

54:46SPEAKERPlugged all of the fans directly into that thing.

54:49SPEAKERAnd then I was like, okay, how do I actually make this work?

54:52SPEAKERAnd it turns out the best way, because the fans

54:57SPEAKERare spread usually in like a hexagon shape

55:00SPEAKERaround the edge of the fan hub,

55:02SPEAKERthe hub of the fan inside the hub,

55:06SPEAKERthe best thing to do was to look at each fan,

55:09SPEAKERidentify each of the LEDs, and then place them

55:12SPEAKERrelatively where they are in the vertical height

55:14SPEAKERor the horizontal height of the fan.

55:16SPEAKERAnd I did all that and I put them,

55:18SPEAKERI represented them in the map, the visual,

55:22SPEAKERour open RGB has a plugin that lets you make

55:24SPEAKERlike a 2D visual map of all the lights in the computer.

55:29SPEAKERAnd I did them as linear, either horizontal

55:32SPEAKERor vertical lines.

55:34SPEAKERSo now, when I start with a gradient at the bottom

55:37SPEAKERof the case and go to the top, I get like smooth

55:40SPEAKERtransitions from blue to purple to green to purple

55:44SPEAKERto blue to green to purple to green to purple.

55:46SPEAKERIt's super sick.

55:48SPEAKERNow, I wanted to make it more difficult.

55:53SPEAKER- Of course.

55:54SPEAKER- And I looked at my drop control, which I had kind

55:57SPEAKERof cheated and I just built a color profile for it

56:00SPEAKERthat matched but wasn't synced up with the case.

56:04SPEAKERAnd somebody's released QMX, sorry, firmware

56:10SPEAKERfor the, the drop is a tenkeyless mechanical keyboard

56:15SPEAKERwith RGB wired.

56:17SPEAKERAnd somebody released QMX firmware and I built

56:20SPEAKERa QMX firmware for my drop with all my shit on it

56:23SPEAKERthat has open RGB support.

56:26SPEAKER'Cause there's a QMX plugin for open RGB now.

56:29SPEAKERAnd now, open RGB can control the lighting

56:33SPEAKERon my QMX keyboard, which I didn't think was ever

56:35SPEAKERgoing to be possible because of overhead involved

56:37SPEAKERin real time.

56:40SPEAKERAnd then, I went one step further, yeah.

56:44SPEAKER- I feel like this is leading somewhere.

56:46SPEAKER- So then, I went one step further 'cause I've been

56:48SPEAKERplaying a little bit of Counter Strike 2 lately

56:49SPEAKERand, you know, that's a game that has some fancy

56:51SPEAKERkeyboard shit going on.

56:53SPEAKERAnd I looked at Artemis and Aurora.

56:56SPEAKERIf you don't know what Artemis and Aurora are,

56:57SPEAKERAurora has been around for a really long time now.

57:00SPEAKERBut it's a open source interface for your RGB keyboards

57:06SPEAKERand mice and headsets and all that stuff to let you kind of,

57:11SPEAKERso, in the world of RGB keyboards and mice and nonsense,

57:16SPEAKERthe, every manufacturer has their own APIs.

57:20SPEAKERAnd, like, for a long time they would do exclusive deals.

57:23SPEAKERLike, Logitech would be the WoW vendor

57:28SPEAKERand Razer would do Counter Strike and blah, blah, blah.

57:33SPEAKERAurora just gives you open source wrappers

57:36SPEAKERfor all the other hardware vendors so that, like,

57:41SPEAKERyour RGB keyboard from Logitech or Corsair or Razer

57:43SPEAKERor whoever works with all the other game APIs.

57:47SPEAKERThe Aurora, the guy who ran Aurora for a long time

57:49SPEAKERhas taken a break, so somebody forked off that project

57:51SPEAKERand has been working on a separate fork called Aurora RGB

57:53SPEAKERfor a couple of years now.

57:55SPEAKERSo, if you haven't had an Aurora update in a minute,

57:57SPEAKERyou might want to check and switch over to the new fork,

57:59SPEAKER'cause it's well updated.

58:01SPEAKERAnd that new fork has an open RGB API hook.

58:04SPEAKERSo, open RGB runs a server, an API server,

58:07SPEAKERand you can just connect apps into it.

58:10SPEAKERSo, now, I can run my Counter Strike bullshit

58:16SPEAKERand my Fortnite bullshit, and I can run it

58:19SPEAKERon just the keyboard, or, alternately,

58:21SPEAKERI can make it take over the entire case

58:23SPEAKERand do all sorts of buckwild stuff in the case

58:25SPEAKERwhen, like, I'm dancing in Fortnite

58:27SPEAKERor I get a kill in Counter Strike or whatever.

58:29SPEAKER- First of all, I'm going to say real quick

58:31SPEAKERthat I did not have on my 2023 bingo card

58:34SPEAKERWill Becomes an RGB Guy, necessarily.

58:37SPEAKER- I mean, technically, that would be a 2022 card,

58:40SPEAKERbut the RGB stuff's really fun.

58:42SPEAKERI didn't expect to like it, but I did.

58:44SPEAKERIt's quite, I don't know.

58:45SPEAKER- I get it, I guess.

58:47SPEAKER- Is your machine in the shot when you're streaming?

58:51SPEAKER- It is not, 'cause my cables aren't long enough.

58:52SPEAKERThat's the next, so, okay, two things.

58:55SPEAKER- Because, like, if you're streaming,

58:56SPEAKERespecially as much as you stream Fortnite, for example,

58:59SPEAKERif you were to integrate those things

59:01SPEAKERin a way that people could see 'em,

59:02SPEAKERthen I guess I actually kind of see the point.

59:04SPEAKER- So, there's two notes to that.

59:06SPEAKEROne is that I have a skin face condition

59:12SPEAKERthat sometimes gives me a gnarly face rash.

59:14SPEAKERI haven't had the camera on in, like, a year,

59:16SPEAKERmaybe eight months at this point.

59:17SPEAKER- Wow, wait, you mean you can just stream

59:19SPEAKERwithout a camera now?

59:20SPEAKER- So, I also was getting a lot of

59:22SPEAKERwhy are you playing Fortnite grandpa comments

59:24SPEAKERfrom the kids when I was playing Fortnite.

59:26SPEAKERThe not streaming with the camera on

59:28SPEAKERknocked both of those way down.

59:30SPEAKER- Sure.

59:33SPEAKER- At some point, I wouldn't mind having the,

59:36SPEAKERlike, I have a space behind me to put a shelf

59:39SPEAKERwith the computer on it, and I wouldn't mind

59:41SPEAKERhaving the computer back there where it's actually visible,

59:42SPEAKER'cause it actually looks, I mean,

59:44SPEAKERit looks like a, you know, it's gratuitous

59:47SPEAKERand full of RGB bullshit, but it looks cool.

59:50SPEAKERIt's a sick RGB bullshit at this point.

59:54SPEAKERAt some point, I'll probably set the camera back up

59:56SPEAKERand do that, but for right now, it's just me

59:58SPEAKERand me and my business on the floor underneath me.

1:00:02SPEAKER- Let me ask real quick, is there any actual utility

1:00:04SPEAKERto the game-specific profiles for the keyboard?

1:00:07SPEAKERLike, is it actually lighting up specific keys

1:00:09SPEAKERthat are valuable in that game?

1:00:11SPEAKER- Depends on the game.

1:00:12SPEAKERSo, like, Fortnite, I think it just plays an animation

1:00:16SPEAKERon the keyboard when you're dancing.

1:00:17SPEAKERIt's like tying to the music of whatever the mode is.

1:00:22SPEAKERI wanna say, like, Apex and League of,

1:00:24SPEAKERlike, the old RTS ones would have

1:00:27SPEAKERall the keyboard shortcuts highlighted,

1:00:28SPEAKERso if you have, like, press control,

1:00:29SPEAKERyou could see what the different options are available

1:00:33SPEAKERto use when you're learning key presses and stuff.

1:00:35SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool.

1:00:36SPEAKER- League of Legends and Dota do the same thing.

1:00:41SPEAKERBattlefield had different modes highlighted

1:00:43SPEAKERbased on what's going on in the game.

1:00:45SPEAKERIt really is up to the game vendor

1:00:49SPEAKERhow much stuff they expose.

1:00:51SPEAKERLike, we talked to a couple people about doing that

1:00:53SPEAKERfor the Antichristus when we were launching.

1:00:54SPEAKERWe were like, "I don't think it's worth the effort,"

1:00:57SPEAKERbecause it would have taken an engineer a while

1:00:58SPEAKERto figure it out, and also, there's an information

1:01:00SPEAKERhierarchy aspect to it that you have to kind of,

1:01:04SPEAKERlike, it needs to make sense, I guess.

1:01:07SPEAKERThe other thing I learned as a result of this

1:01:09SPEAKERis that the people who originally worked on Aurora

1:01:11SPEAKERwhen the main developer of Aurora took the break

1:01:14SPEAKERforked off and made this new thing called Artemis

1:01:17SPEAKERthat's all layer-based and is much, much more powerful,

1:01:19SPEAKERbut still pretty early.

1:01:21SPEAKERIt also has an open RGB API hook-in,

1:01:24SPEAKERso you can control all your open RGB stuff with it,

1:01:27SPEAKERand it seems really, really cool.

1:01:31SPEAKERThey have a plugin infrastructure

1:01:33SPEAKERfor building new integrations,

1:01:36SPEAKERso if the game has a mod or a hook,

1:01:38SPEAKERlike Terraria has mods, so you can build a mod

1:01:41SPEAKERthat hooks into that and feeds information

1:01:42SPEAKERto the keyboard thing, and then you get

1:01:45SPEAKERlike full keyboard highlighting in Terraria.

1:01:47SPEAKERLike, some of them flash when you take damage.

1:01:52SPEAKERThere's an aspect to it that's kind of cool,

1:01:55SPEAKERbut also, it's mostly for show.

1:01:57SPEAKERIt's mostly just 'cause it's cool more than useful.

1:02:00SPEAKER- It's useful, superfluous bullshit.

1:02:04SPEAKER- The one that's the noteworthy good one

1:02:06SPEAKERis the Overwatch one, where everybody

1:02:09SPEAKERhas different keyboard shortcuts.

1:02:10SPEAKERAll the characters have different keyboard shortcuts,

1:02:12SPEAKERand it highlights all of them,

1:02:14SPEAKERbut it also changes to the color of your character's skin,

1:02:17SPEAKERso you know that you're playing D.Va or whatever

1:02:20SPEAKERwhen you load up, 'cause it gets all pink and shit.

1:02:22SPEAKER- Just in case you forgot which character you were playing

1:02:24SPEAKERwho was on the screen at all times.

1:02:26SPEAKER- Yeah, in case you had your eyes closed

1:02:28SPEAKERor were just looking straight down at the ground, you know.

1:02:31SPEAKERSo yeah, that's it.

1:02:32SPEAKERThe OpenRGB compatible QMEX firmware is on the OpenRGB page now.

1:02:37SPEAKERIt was a little scary, 'cause there were a couple of messages

1:02:41SPEAKERthat were like, "Yo, if you make too big a firmware

1:02:43SPEAKERand you try to flash it, it's going to work your keyboard,

1:02:45SPEAKERso be careful."

1:02:46SPEAKERBut I didn't work my keyboard.

1:02:49SPEAKEROh, and also, by the way, we don't know

1:02:51SPEAKERhow big the maximum size for this keyboard is,

1:02:54SPEAKERso be careful.

1:02:56SPEAKERAnd then I used the Drop keyboard firmware updater

1:02:59SPEAKERwith that third-party firmware I made,

1:03:01SPEAKERand it worked just fine, and it presumably

1:03:03SPEAKERwould have warned me, I guess, I don't know.

1:03:04SPEAKER- Cool.

1:03:06SPEAKER- Yeah. - All right.

1:03:07SPEAKER- So that's it, that's a potpourri, I guess.

1:03:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:10SPEAKERJust in time for me to not quite start thinking

1:03:13SPEAKERabout mechanical keyboards again.

1:03:14SPEAKERI think if we had talked for about another 30 seconds

1:03:17SPEAKERabout it, I might have started looking at keyboards again.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Wait, did you see the 8BitDo Famicom one?

1:03:21SPEAKER- That's, dude, that is the reason.

1:03:23SPEAKERThat's been several months now, I think.

1:03:25SPEAKER- It's out now, you can buy it.

1:03:26SPEAKER- Oh, no, did it just actually come out

1:03:28SPEAKERwith just an announcement? - Yeah, it's actually shipping.

1:03:29SPEAKERWhen I saw that thing get announced a few months ago,

1:03:31SPEAKERthat was the thing that got me back in hard

1:03:34SPEAKERof having a very hard time resisting having a keyboard

1:03:38SPEAKERin the original Famicom color scheme.

1:03:40SPEAKER- It has the Kata on the key caps,

1:03:43SPEAKERand also you get the two big AB buttons

1:03:47SPEAKERif you get the Famicom version and not the NES version.

1:03:50SPEAKER- I did see some people kind of annoyed

1:03:52SPEAKERthat the Kata on the key caps doesn't actually correspond

1:03:54SPEAKERto the, is it Shift Gist, or what's the encoding people,

1:03:58SPEAKERis that still what people use to put in Japanese?

1:04:00SPEAKER- I don't know what people use.

1:04:01SPEAKER- Anyway, apparently they don't actually correspond

1:04:02SPEAKERto the right keystrokes for those characters,

1:04:04SPEAKERwhich is a little bit- - That's stupid.

1:04:06SPEAKER- Questionable.

1:04:08SPEAKER- Okay, I'm like 20% less entranced with that.

1:04:11SPEAKER- But like the cool thing about modular key cap sets

1:04:14SPEAKERis you could kind of actually just build

1:04:15SPEAKERyour own color scheme with that, right?

1:04:17SPEAKERWhich is probably what I would do.

1:04:18SPEAKER- I wish that they, I hope that this sells well,

1:04:21SPEAKERI'm not gonna buy one of these,

1:04:22SPEAKERbut I hope that it sells well enough

1:04:23SPEAKERthat they make a SNES version

1:04:25SPEAKERwith the Japanese SNES colors in a couple of years.

1:04:29SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

1:04:30SPEAKER- I would be into that.

1:04:32SPEAKER- Japanese SNES is mostly just two tones of gray,

1:04:35SPEAKERunless you're getting the little four color-

1:04:37SPEAKER- I want the four color.

1:04:38SPEAKER- Yeah, if you integrate the four color logo stuff somewhere,

1:04:41SPEAKERthen that would look cool.

1:04:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I specifically want the four color thing.

1:04:44SPEAKER- There's just, there's something about that combination

1:04:46SPEAKERof maroon and beige and gray from the '80s,

1:04:49SPEAKERthat was very common in the '80s.

1:04:50SPEAKER- Does it speak to you?

1:04:51SPEAKER- Japanese computers and the Famicom that is just, yes.

1:04:56SPEAKER- I am-

1:04:57SPEAKER- Anyway, let's wrap here

1:04:59SPEAKERbefore I try to go spend money on something.

1:05:01SPEAKER- It's only 99 bucks, that's a pretty good deal

1:05:02SPEAKERfor a mechanical starter keyboard,

1:05:04SPEAKERfor what it's worth, it's Bluetooth too, Brad.

1:05:05SPEAKERIt has a physical switch to turn it from 2.4G to Bluetooth

1:05:09SPEAKERand off, and the red light lights up in the corner

1:05:12SPEAKERto let you know it's on if you buy the Famicom version.

1:05:15SPEAKER- I'm making a face.

1:05:16SPEAKER- It's a good face, I need a new keyboard face.

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1:05:22SPEAKER- Well, so, I was gonna say, I almost bought it

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