00:00SPEAKER- I ordered some science candy from Japan for my daughter.
00:03SPEAKER- So is this candy made out of science?
00:06SPEAKER- Let's say yes.
00:08SPEAKERIt's like, it's like slime candy.
00:12SPEAKER- Ooh, wait, ugh, hang on.
00:14SPEAKERI'm not sure, I'm trying to moderate my reaction here.
00:17SPEAKERMaybe, maybe go on.
00:18SPEAKER- It's a little bit of, ooh, and a little bit of, ugh.
00:21SPEAKERIt's like, it uses, I don't know how the particular one
00:24SPEAKERwe got does, but you combine these,
00:27SPEAKERthey give you like four or five packets of stuff,
00:30SPEAKERand some of them are flavors, and some of them are like
00:32SPEAKERsodium alginate and stuff like that.
00:34SPEAKERAnd then you add those things to water in specific orders,
00:37SPEAKERand then you combine them and stir them all up.
00:39SPEAKERAnd when you combine them all together, it like fluffs up
00:42SPEAKERand gets into like a, it's almost like a,
00:44SPEAKERit's almost like a YouTube slime.
00:46SPEAKER- I was gonna ask if there's any Elmer's Glue in there.
00:49SPEAKERI mean, it is safe to eat.
00:51SPEAKER- You do not eat Elmer's Glue.
00:52SPEAKERIt's non-toxic, but don't eat it.
00:54SPEAKER- Okay.
00:55SPEAKER- The, no, but no, it's, so we did, we did the,
00:58SPEAKERwe did one, I ordered from Japan,
01:00SPEAKERit took forever to get here, 'cause you know, Japan.
01:02SPEAKERAnd it comes with like the little tray,
01:05SPEAKERthe little presentation tray, you like open it up
01:08SPEAKERand you pour the powders in, you put the right amount
01:10SPEAKERof water and you stir everything all up.
01:13SPEAKERBut it was interesting 'cause it completely changed textures.
01:16SPEAKEREach thing that you added changed the texture
01:18SPEAKERa little bit more.
01:19SPEAKERAnd then when you got to the end, it was like,
01:21SPEAKERit looked like the alien mucus from like an alien movie,
01:25SPEAKERright, like you could grab, you could grab,
01:27SPEAKERyou could touch it with your finger
01:29SPEAKERand it would just pull up like a foot.
01:31SPEAKER- I think I'm moving more toward the ugh category.
01:34SPEAKER- It tasted like the inside of a zot.
01:37SPEAKER- What is a zot, what?
01:38SPEAKER- Have you never had a zot?
01:39SPEAKER- What is a zot?
01:40SPEAKER- I don't know, a zot's a movie theater candy.
01:42SPEAKERIt's like a, it's like a gumdrop thing
01:45SPEAKERwith some goo inside and the goo is all sour.
01:48SPEAKERSo pretty good, I would recommend a zot.
01:50SPEAKER- So candy made out of chemicals, huh?
01:52SPEAKERIs there any dihydrogen oxide in there?
01:55SPEAKERI believe that there was the dihydrogen oxide, Brad.
01:58SPEAKER- Great, great.
01:59SPEAKERSpeaking of ordering things from overseas,
02:01SPEAKERI ordered a pine sole.
02:03SPEAKER- Ooh, did you get a V2 or V1?
02:06SPEAKER- Well, God, I hope it's the V2.
02:07SPEAKERSo I ordered it directly from the Pine 64 store.
02:10SPEAKER- Oh.
02:11SPEAKER- And the reason I'm bringing this up
02:11SPEAKERis that it shipped directly from Shenzhen.
02:14SPEAKER- Oh, you can really smell that factory
02:16SPEAKERin the box when you open it.
02:17SPEAKER- Well, possibly, but it's been a while.
02:19SPEAKERI ordered it at the beginning of the month
02:20SPEAKERand it's still not here.
02:21SPEAKERI think it's finally coming Monday,
02:23SPEAKERbut the tracking was all in Chinese.
02:25SPEAKERSo I had a kind of amusing experience
02:28SPEAKERof day by day pasting Chinese into Google Translate
02:31SPEAKERto find out what the tracking,
02:33SPEAKERbut I was kind of shocked how well it worked.
02:34SPEAKERLike the Google Translate has gotten very good.
02:36SPEAKER- So the thing that amazes,
02:38SPEAKERso I was able to use Google Translate
02:39SPEAKERon the Japanese instructions on the back of the box.
02:41SPEAKERAnd then my daughter was just like,
02:43SPEAKER"Hey dad, there's probably a YouTube video
02:45SPEAKER"of somebody doing this."
02:46SPEAKERI was like, "Oh, right."
02:47SPEAKERAnd there indeed was.
02:48SPEAKERThe thing that I liked about getting the overseas package
02:52SPEAKERis that they drop shipped it to Knoxville, Tennessee,
02:56SPEAKERand then somebody in Knoxville unpackaged a bazillion boxes.
02:59SPEAKERAnd then it was here like the next day,
03:00SPEAKERwhich was really surprising.
03:02SPEAKERThe weird thing is that the shipper that they use
03:06SPEAKERto go from Japan to Hong Kong to Knoxville,
03:11SPEAKERthe acronym at the beginning was DSL.
03:14SPEAKERAnd when I Googled that,
03:16SPEAKER'cause normally I just don't Google, by the way.
03:18SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.
03:19SPEAKER- It was a lot of pornography came up, is what I'll say.
03:22SPEAKER- Sure, yes, of course, I'll take it on.
03:26SPEAKER- I did not think about that.
03:27SPEAKERI was surprised.
03:28SPEAKEROkay, well, maybe we'll cut this part out.
03:30SPEAKERI don't know.
03:31SPEAKER- Oh, it's too late and it's not.
03:33SPEAKERThis tracking service was,
03:34SPEAKERthis shipping service was 17 tracks.
03:36SPEAKERSo I think maybe a little safer for work.
03:40SPEAKERAlso, I'm an idiot.
03:41SPEAKERI forgot you can just right click a page in Chrome and-
03:45SPEAKER- Wait, what?
03:45SPEAKER- Click translate.
03:46SPEAKERYou don't have to go to Google Translate
03:48SPEAKERand paste text in anymore.
03:49SPEAKER- I didn't know that.
03:50SPEAKER- Oh my God, really?
03:51SPEAKER- No, that's amazing.
03:52SPEAKERWell, I don't use Chrome, I use Firefox.
03:54SPEAKER- Oh, well, maybe they've got it, I don't know.
03:56SPEAKERAnyway, I'm on the 17 track page
03:57SPEAKERand I just translated all of the tracking into English.
04:01SPEAKERLos Angeles, arrive at the place of destination.
04:03SPEAKERThat's like, that's a perfectly serviceable translation.
04:06SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty good.
04:07SPEAKER- Other than this shit, it's kind of taking a while.
04:10SPEAKERLike I'd kind of hoped to get it faster
04:12SPEAKERthan a month or three weeks.
04:14SPEAKERIt was kind of cool, engaging with shipping,
04:17SPEAKERtracking from another country.
04:19SPEAKER- Well, so I bought like cheap keyboard switches
04:22SPEAKERand stuff from AliExpress before.
04:24SPEAKERAnd it comes the same way.
04:25SPEAKERIt's like you get, they bundle up a whole pallet of stuff
04:28SPEAKERand then it gets, or a container,
04:30SPEAKERand then the container gets unpacked, packaged
04:32SPEAKERwhen it gets to LA or Tennessee or someplace.
04:35SPEAKER- Oh, I wonder if, so the main reason for the delay
04:38SPEAKERis that it sat on, the seventh was the last update,
04:42SPEAKERand it sat for 10 days with no updates.
04:45SPEAKER- Probably it was waiting for the boat to arrive
04:46SPEAKERor get unloaded or loaded or whatever.
04:48SPEAKER- There is, there's mention of airline in here,
04:50SPEAKERso it did fly, but yeah, on the seventh it said,
04:54SPEAKERShenzhen delivered to the carrier for transportation,
04:56SPEAKERand then it sat for 10 days before it left,
04:58SPEAKERand I bet that's what it was.
04:59SPEAKERThey were accumulating stuff and sending it all at once.
05:02SPEAKER- I have a friend who does shipping logistics stuff,
05:05SPEAKERand she always tells me stories about how the different,
05:08SPEAKERlike, I mean, she does boat stuff, not planes,
05:10SPEAKERbut like they can load container ships in like 12 hours
05:13SPEAKERor something like that,
05:14SPEAKERlike thousands upon thousands of containers,
05:18SPEAKERand then when you get those off,
05:19SPEAKERit becomes a logistics problem of getting the,
05:23SPEAKERlike, figure out which ones go to the sub distributors.
05:26SPEAKERSome of the, like UPS does this, I think it's called,
05:29SPEAKERI can't remember what it's called,
05:30SPEAKERbut they do a thing where they bundle,
05:33SPEAKERlike, stuff coming directly out of the factory in China,
05:36SPEAKERand they'll put the box, like, this is what Apple does,
05:39SPEAKERso they'll send a whole pallet of stuff
05:41SPEAKERwith the labels on, like, a pallet that's wrapped,
05:45SPEAKERpackages ready to go that are ready,
05:47SPEAKERthat have already cleared customs,
05:48SPEAKERbecause, you know, it's Apple and they can do that,
05:50SPEAKERand they just have to hit the,
05:54SPEAKERthey crack open that label and it just dumps into UPS bin,
05:58SPEAKERand then your iPhone comes, or your watch,
06:00SPEAKERor whatever the new thing is.
06:01SPEAKER- Yeah, my MacBook Pro last year also shipped
06:04SPEAKERstraight from the factory like that.
06:05SPEAKERThat's insanely efficient, that's cool.
06:08SPEAKERLast thing I'll say, we should start this episode,
06:11SPEAKERhow many ship containers do you think
06:13SPEAKERhave been lost to sea?
06:15SPEAKER- Oh, bazillions.
06:15SPEAKERYou know about the, do you know about the Garfield phones?
06:18SPEAKER- Yes.
06:19SPEAKER- Garfield phones, classic example.
06:21SPEAKERA shipping container fell off a boat outside of France,
06:25SPEAKERand there's a beach where there's thousands
06:28SPEAKERof Garfield phones have washed up over the years.
06:30SPEAKER- There's some amazingly, like, elegant photography
06:33SPEAKERof a beach full of Garfield phones out there
06:36SPEAKERthat looks like it might as well have been AI generated
06:38SPEAKERfor how surreal it is.
06:39SPEAKER- It's kind of sad.
06:41SPEAKERThere's a ton, well, there was a story,
06:45SPEAKERthere was a fantastic story in Wired probably 10 years ago
06:48SPEAKERabout a car container that, like, capsized,
06:54SPEAKERand the cars all got wet, so it's a billion dollars
06:58SPEAKERworth of cars or something on it.
07:00SPEAKER- Oh my God.
07:01SPEAKER- And they had to scrap all the cars,
07:03SPEAKERbut then they also had to dismantle the story
07:06SPEAKERof how they had to dismantle the boat with the cars on it
07:10SPEAKERwhere it was run aground or whatever happened to it
07:12SPEAKERis harrowing and very, very good.
07:16SPEAKERIt's still on Wired's side, I'm sure.
07:17SPEAKERIt's worth looking for.
07:18SPEAKERI think it was a Hyundai car carrier, a Nissan maybe.
07:21SPEAKER- That stuff is wild and kind of haunting to think about.
07:24SPEAKERThink about how many MacBook Pros are down there
07:26SPEAKERat the bottom of the ocean.
07:27SPEAKERMaybe we should start doing some diving.
07:29SPEAKER(upbeat music)
07:33SPEAKER(upbeat music)
07:57SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.
07:59SPEAKERI'm Will.
08:00SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
08:01SPEAKER- My voice cracked, I'm 13.
08:02SPEAKER- Whoa.
08:04SPEAKER- I know.
08:05SPEAKER- Can you do it again?
08:06SPEAKER- No.
08:07SPEAKER- Welcome to the Tech Pod.
08:08SPEAKER- Welcome, I'm Will.
08:11SPEAKERGood to have you here.
08:12SPEAKERI'm really excited to do a podcast with my friend Brad.
08:17SPEAKER- There's something very Simpsons-like
08:18SPEAKERabout this nerdy voice.
08:20SPEAKER- Yeah, these are old men doing young people voices.
08:24SPEAKERWhat are we talking about this week, Brad?
08:25SPEAKERWhat do we got?
08:26SPEAKER- Computers, have you heard of them?
08:28SPEAKER- Oh, technology, eh?
08:30SPEAKER- Yes, personal.
08:31SPEAKERThey make computers for individual people now.
08:34SPEAKERThey are personalized.
08:35SPEAKER- Wait, what?
08:36SPEAKERI'm a VAX life over here, man.
08:39SPEAKERNothing but shared terminals.
08:40SPEAKERGive me that TS-100.
08:42SPEAKER- Oh, that kind of VAX, I wasn't sure.
08:44SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, VAX is, I guess, fraught now.
08:47SPEAKER- Yes.
08:48SPEAKER- So we promised this a while ago
08:50SPEAKERwhen I built a new computer
08:51SPEAKERand I feel like we're at the place now
08:53SPEAKERthat we should do it.
08:54SPEAKER- I'm just gonna say upfront before we get into this,
08:57SPEAKERI think this podcast has been running long enough now
08:59SPEAKERthat we are in our, we may have done this episode before
09:02SPEAKERand forgotten about it era.
09:04SPEAKER- Well.
09:05SPEAKER- Just in case 'cause I have this sneaking suspicion
09:07SPEAKERthat we've done something like this in the past.
09:09SPEAKERI think it's fine to go ahead and do this again
09:11SPEAKERbecause computers have changed,
09:13SPEAKERsoftware, we have changed, everything is new
09:15SPEAKERand there's fresh stuff to talk about here, but.
09:18SPEAKER- Yeah, the stuff I do is wildly different
09:20SPEAKERthan it was when we started this podcast
09:22SPEAKER'cause there's a whole world of things
09:23SPEAKERthat I didn't know about
09:25SPEAKERwhen we first started doing this show.
09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, in fact, when we made show notes for this,
09:28SPEAKERwe're talking about like kind of what we do
09:29SPEAKERon a new computer in case we didn't actually
09:33SPEAKERsay that out loud, but yeah, the list of the notes
09:35SPEAKERthat we made are like almost entirely different
09:38SPEAKERthan what I would have made two, three years ago.
09:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and a lot of it is actually due to people
09:44SPEAKERwho have engaged with us in the Discord
09:46SPEAKERand told us about things that I had no idea existed.
09:48SPEAKER- Yes.
09:49SPEAKER- So the first thing is you gotta install Windows
09:53SPEAKERin the beginning.
09:54SPEAKERWell, actually. - Do you?
09:55SPEAKER- Actually.
09:56SPEAKER- Do you?
09:57SPEAKER- And before you even do that,
09:58SPEAKERyou gotta go into your BIOS or UEFI now
10:01SPEAKERand disable the motherboard feature
10:04SPEAKERthat automatically installs software
10:07SPEAKERwhen Windows boots the first time.
10:08SPEAKER- Yeah, it's such bullshit.
10:09SPEAKERAlso, we will exclusively be using the term BIOS here
10:13SPEAKERto refer to UEFI.
10:15SPEAKERI hope that everyone is okay with that.
10:17SPEAKER- Old man yells at cloud.
10:19SPEAKER- BIOS is just, not only does it sound cool,
10:21SPEAKERit's easy to say, it's two syllables.
10:22SPEAKERIt rolls off the tongue.
10:23SPEAKERUEFI is way too mouthy.
10:25SPEAKERI don't know who thought. - What about UEFI?
10:26SPEAKER- Yufi?
10:28SPEAKER- Yufi.
10:28SPEAKER- Uefi, Wefi?
10:30SPEAKER- Yufi.
10:31SPEAKER- Can we call it Wefi, Yufi?
10:32SPEAKER- I'm not calling it Wefi.
10:33SPEAKER- Yufi is a "Final Fantasy VII" character.
10:36SPEAKER- That's great.
10:37SPEAKERWait, really?
10:38SPEAKERIs it the second half of "Final Fantasy VII"?
10:40SPEAKERI don't remember Yufi in the first half.
10:40SPEAKER- Yes, yes, she is mid to late game, I guess I would say.
10:43SPEAKER- Okay.
10:45SPEAKER- BIOS.
10:46SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, so you go in the BIOS,
10:48SPEAKERyou turn off, my ASUS motherboard
10:50SPEAKERhas two things you have to turn off.
10:52SPEAKER- Wow, really?
10:52SPEAKERIs that armory crate?
10:54SPEAKER- Armory crate and then some other thing.
10:55SPEAKERThe other one was off by default,
10:56SPEAKERbut armory crate is on by default.
10:59SPEAKER- My gigabyte has gigabyte control center.
11:01SPEAKERApparently all of the makers have something like this now.
11:03SPEAKERMSI, ASRock, everybody.
11:06SPEAKER- Why would you not use this feature
11:07SPEAKERif you're a motherboard maker
11:08SPEAKERand wanted to install your crappy software
11:10SPEAKERon everybody's computers?
11:11SPEAKER- Yes, it's awful.
11:13SPEAKERApparently everyone's as terrible, as you can imagine.
11:16SPEAKER- Yeah, so turn that off,
11:18SPEAKERthen make your Windows install media.
11:20SPEAKERYou can use the Windows Media Maker.
11:23SPEAKERThere's also, if you find yourself installing Windows a lot,
11:27SPEAKERlike if you build computers for friends or whatever,
11:29SPEAKERand you find yourself installing computers a lot,
11:31SPEAKERyou might want to make an unintended install disk.
11:34SPEAKERThere's good guides for that all over the place.
11:36SPEAKERIt's a little more complicated
11:37SPEAKERthan we're gonna get into here.
11:39SPEAKERBut basically it lets you say,
11:40SPEAKERokay, turn on the privacy stuff,
11:44SPEAKERdon't set this up with a Windows account,
11:47SPEAKERdownload any new drivers and updates and stuff,
11:50SPEAKERand it lets you pre-configure your options.
11:53SPEAKERAnd actually, Rufus, which is a USB thumb drive bootable,
11:58SPEAKERUSB thumb drive booting utility, has flags,
12:02SPEAKERdoes that stuff without you having to do
12:04SPEAKERany of the kind of hard work now.
12:05SPEAKERSo you just basically grab the image
12:08SPEAKERand point it at the right image,
12:09SPEAKERand it's like, oh, hey, this is Windows 10 or Windows 11,
12:11SPEAKERand then it gives you some flags that you can check
12:13SPEAKERto turn off attaching it to a Windows,
12:18SPEAKERMicrosoft account, stuff like that.
12:19SPEAKER- Two things here.
12:20SPEAKERNumber one, is it easy to get an actual image
12:23SPEAKERof Windows from Microsoft at this point?
12:25SPEAKERLike the media creation tool
12:26SPEAKERis the kind of promoted way to do it these days
12:29SPEAKERwhere you download this executable and run it,
12:31SPEAKERand it asks you to insert media,
12:33SPEAKERand then it makes an image for you.
12:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so once you do that,
12:36SPEAKERthen it downloads the image to your hard drive,
12:38SPEAKERand you have to go find it in your temp file someplace.
12:40SPEAKERI believe the recommended method these days.
12:42SPEAKER- Lovely.
12:44SPEAKERThe other thing is Rufus is indispensable
12:45SPEAKERif people don't use it already.
12:47SPEAKERI mean, you may not have a need for it if you're not
12:50SPEAKERreinstalling Windows a lot
12:51SPEAKERor booting alternative operating systems and stuff,
12:53SPEAKERbut if you are...
12:55SPEAKER- Raspberry Pi stuff, Rufus is super useful for,
12:58SPEAKERalthough I guess now you use
12:58SPEAKERthe Raspberry Pi media creation tool,
13:00SPEAKERwhich is really fully featured and good.
13:01SPEAKER- Yeah, there's also that.
13:03SPEAKERRufus has support for, you can do things like,
13:05SPEAKERyou can take like an Ubuntu live USB image
13:08SPEAKERand write it to a USB drive
13:11SPEAKERwith a writable partition area on it.
13:13SPEAKERSo you can essentially boot a live USB into Linux
13:17SPEAKERthat is a permanent install.
13:19SPEAKERYou can install packages on it.
13:20SPEAKERIt has a desktop, you can put files on it.
13:22SPEAKERSo it's essentially like having
13:24SPEAKERa real functional Linux install on a USB stick.
13:28SPEAKERLike it's not read only is what I'm saying.
13:29SPEAKERLike you can use it like a full system,
13:31SPEAKERwhich is good for like diagnostic stuff
13:33SPEAKERif you need to test things in another OS or whatever.
13:36SPEAKERAnyway, Rufus, it's good.
13:37SPEAKER- Rufus, Rufus is pretty good.
13:40SPEAKERI recommend installing Windows
13:43SPEAKERwithout connecting a Microsoft account,
13:45SPEAKERwhich is pretty easy on Windows 10 is my understanding.
13:48SPEAKER- Yes, well, even if you're doing home,
13:50SPEAKERit's pretty trivial.
13:53SPEAKERWindows 10 Pro straight up just gives you an option
13:54SPEAKERwhere you just say, this is a personal install.
13:57SPEAKERAnd then it's straight up an offline account option.
13:59SPEAKERYou can click and just bypass
14:01SPEAKERall the Microsoft account stuff.
14:03SPEAKER- So the big reason you do this is 'cause if you don't,
14:06SPEAKERthen the installer will bind your desktop documents
14:10SPEAKERand pictures folders to OneDrive folders
14:14SPEAKERinstead of to like your C data,
14:17SPEAKERyou see user's username folder, which sucks, it's bad.
14:22SPEAKER- It'll all be stuck in the OneDrive folder.
14:24SPEAKER- Yeah, and then when you want to fix that,
14:26SPEAKERthen you have a weird copy file duplication problem,
14:31SPEAKERbasically that you have to figure out which is the older,
14:33SPEAKERwhich is the newer, and it's a pain in the ass.
14:36SPEAKER- The other reason for me, I mean,
14:37SPEAKERsome people may not care about this as much,
14:39SPEAKERbut it does not let you choose
14:41SPEAKERthe name of your user directory.
14:43SPEAKERIf you log in with Microsoft account during install,
14:46SPEAKERit will name your user directory,
14:47SPEAKERthe first like six characters of the email
14:50SPEAKERattached to your Microsoft account.
14:52SPEAKER- Well, that's interesting 'cause my email
14:54SPEAKERthat I use for that stuff is just will at something.
14:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so you're fine there.
14:58SPEAKERBut I like to use obscure email addresses
15:00SPEAKERfor things like these sorts of accounts
15:02SPEAKERthat don't have my name on them these days,
15:04SPEAKERwhich means I end up with a user directory
15:07SPEAKERwith just a ridiculous garbled.
15:10SPEAKERAnd changing the name of your user directory in Windows
15:12SPEAKERafter the fact is not recommended, it is messy.
15:15SPEAKER- Better just make a new user at that point.
15:17SPEAKER- Yes, you have to do it in the,
15:19SPEAKERwhich I guess actually that would be an option
15:20SPEAKERif you had already done this, right?
15:21SPEAKERIf you're not too attached to your current user account,
15:23SPEAKERyou could just make a new one on an existing install.
15:26SPEAKER- That's true, that would work as well.
15:28SPEAKER- If you wanted to switch over,
15:29SPEAKERbut yeah, I do an offline account
15:31SPEAKERand then I just put my name as Brad
15:32SPEAKERand that ends up with the user home directory
15:34SPEAKERthat is named that.
15:36SPEAKERAnd then you can log into a Microsoft account
15:38SPEAKERafter the fact in 30 seconds.
15:40SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the important thing to note
15:42SPEAKERis you're not sacrificing your Microsoft account login
15:45SPEAKERby doing this, all you're doing is saying,
15:47SPEAKERhey, I'm gonna add it in the user's control panel afterwards.
15:51SPEAKER- Sounds like in 11, it's a little bit dodgier to do.
15:54SPEAKER- Yes, so Windows 10, you just pull your internet connection
15:58SPEAKERif you're on home, on Pro you do use the offline.
16:01SPEAKEROn Windows 11, when you get to the prompt
16:04SPEAKERto select a country, you hit shift and F10
16:07SPEAKERand you type OOBE backslash bypass.
16:11SPEAKER- Oh, the out of box experience.
16:12SPEAKER- Yeah, the out of box experience, OOBE slash bypass NRO.
16:17SPEAKERAnd I don't know what NRO is, it must be something online,
16:21SPEAKERbut that'll reboot the computer.
16:23SPEAKERAnd when it comes back, you do shift F10 again
16:25SPEAKERand type IP configs forward slash release,
16:28SPEAKERor you can unplug the cable at that point.
16:30SPEAKERAnd that will, when you get to the,
16:34SPEAKERhey, what's your internet connection screen?
16:35SPEAKERYou just say, I don't have internet.
16:37SPEAKERAnd then it does a local account.
16:39SPEAKER- You have to fool your Windows install.
16:40SPEAKERIt's really stupid that they don't just make this an option.
16:43SPEAKER- It's ridiculous, but I assume, I mean,
16:44SPEAKERthat's probably serving some strategic goal there, right?
16:47SPEAKEROf railroading people into OneDrive
16:48SPEAKERand other Microsoft online services,
16:50SPEAKER'cause that's how Windows makes money now, right?
16:52SPEAKER- I mean, it is definitely the goal
16:54SPEAKERis to railroad people into OneDrive,
16:55SPEAKER'cause the reason I don't like having
16:57SPEAKERmy home folders on OneDrive is it means
16:58SPEAKERthat when you have too much shit on your desktop
17:01SPEAKERor your photos directory or your documents directory,
17:03SPEAKERwhich balloons up really huge if you use stuff like Adobe,
17:07SPEAKERthen you're gonna start getting,
17:09SPEAKERhey man, you need more space on your OneDrive.
17:11SPEAKERFor five bucks a month, you can get a terabyte of space
17:14SPEAKERfor your OneDrive, which everybody's gonna want.
17:16SPEAKERIt'll save your stuff everywhere.
17:17SPEAKERThe other reason to have your Windows account
17:19SPEAKERattached to a Microsoft account,
17:21SPEAKERprobably less for the people listening to this podcast,
17:23SPEAKERbut definitely for people who are maintaining computers
17:28SPEAKERfor friends and family, having it hooked up
17:32SPEAKERto your Microsoft account lets you do,
17:34SPEAKERlets you recover the password for a Windows account
17:36SPEAKERthat you can't get into, which is, I think,
17:39SPEAKERhighly valuable from a support and user's perspective.
17:43SPEAKERSo it is like, I get the privacy reasons to not do this.
17:48SPEAKERI think it's worth being able to download stuff
17:49SPEAKERfrom the Microsoft store, and I think it's worth being able
17:52SPEAKERto recover passwords remotely with a found password,
17:56SPEAKERwith a forgot password prompt that'll send an email thing
17:59SPEAKERthat'll let you get back into a locked out machine.
18:01SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a good fallback.
18:02SPEAKERActually, can I interject with the topic
18:03SPEAKERwe did not put in the notes here?
18:05SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.
18:05SPEAKERAre you doing, and we may have talked about this
18:08SPEAKERat some point, backup of your Windows profile,
18:10SPEAKERyour user account, 'cause it occurs to me that,
18:13SPEAKER'cause I'm not, that I have this mass sitting here
18:15SPEAKERwith 10s of terabytes of free space on it,
18:19SPEAKERand I should probably be backing up my Windows user account
18:22SPEAKERin case anything truly catastrophic happens,
18:24SPEAKERbut are you doing that, and by what means?
18:27SPEAKER- I do back up the C, C doesn't get super backed up.
18:34SPEAKERI think I just back up the users folder.
18:36SPEAKER- Okay, is that enough?
18:37SPEAKERWell, obviously that'll preserve anything that's in there,
18:40SPEAKERbut I'm wondering if there's some Microsoft sanctioned way
18:42SPEAKERto back up a package of your user account
18:46SPEAKERwhere you could restore it to install?
18:48SPEAKER- No, the way you're supposed to back up your stuff now
18:51SPEAKERis use OneDrive, I think.
18:53SPEAKERI don't even think the backup, I think in Windows 11,
18:55SPEAKERI don't think the backup tool even exists anymore.
18:57SPEAKER- Okay, I guess-- - It's just a restore tool now.
18:59SPEAKER- Sure, I guess what I'm asking about
19:01SPEAKERis basically a Windows equivalent of Time Machine
19:03SPEAKERfrom Mac OS, which does do what I'm talking about.
19:05SPEAKER- Yeah, no, you can do shadow copies of your files,
19:09SPEAKERbut that's not gonna do exactly what you want.
19:12SPEAKERThey call it file history now, I think.
19:14SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway.
19:16SPEAKERSo you've installed Windows. - Oh, system restore.
19:18SPEAKERThere is also system restore,
19:20SPEAKERwhich is the thing that lets you roll,
19:21SPEAKERbut when Windows jacks something up, you can roll it back.
19:24SPEAKERI haven't had to use system restore
19:25SPEAKERin probably eight or 10 years at this point, so.
19:28SPEAKER- Sure, I'll do some investigation.
19:30SPEAKERI bet there are probably some other good ways
19:32SPEAKERto back up a user account.
19:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I think their official,
19:39SPEAKERyeah, their official response these days is,
19:42SPEAKERhey, use OneDrive and pay us money.
19:45SPEAKER- Great.
19:46SPEAKER- Anyway, so okay, so you have Windows installed
19:49SPEAKERat this point.
19:50SPEAKERIt said, hey, don't worry, nothing's happening to your data.
19:52SPEAKERWe got it under control.
19:54SPEAKERNow you need to install drivers.
19:58SPEAKERThe classic chipset driver.
20:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've been in this morass for a while
20:05SPEAKERand kind of past it now,
20:06SPEAKERbut this is specific to motherboard makers.
20:11SPEAKERSome are better than others.
20:12SPEAKERThe gigabyte driver installer is a goddamn nightmare.
20:15SPEAKERSo I actually, it's actually kind of philosophical thing.
20:18SPEAKERI wanted to ask you,
20:20SPEAKERdo you always go get drivers from your board maker
20:22SPEAKERor do you get them from whoever made
20:23SPEAKERthe specific piece of hardware?
20:26SPEAKER- It depends.
20:27SPEAKER- Okay, like this board has Intel,
20:29SPEAKERWi-Fi and Bluetooth controller.
20:31SPEAKERIt's got the classic God who makes real tech,
20:35SPEAKERmakes all the audio codecs these days, right?
20:37SPEAKERThat everybody uses.
20:37SPEAKERIt's real tech, real tech audio, Intel, Bluetooth,
20:41SPEAKERtrying to think what else, you know what I mean?
20:43SPEAKERSo basically the gigabyte driver installer
20:47SPEAKERhas failed enough times for me
20:48SPEAKERthat I basically said fuck this
20:50SPEAKERand just went and got drivers
20:52SPEAKERfrom all the actual hardware makers,
20:54SPEAKERbut you never know if like the motherboard maker
20:56SPEAKERis doing extra.
20:57SPEAKER- What they jacked up, right?
20:58SPEAKER- Well, or if there's like custom stuff
21:00SPEAKERthat they've done with the drivers
21:01SPEAKERbecause they're doing something
21:02SPEAKERunconventional on the board, it's not great.
21:05SPEAKER- So chipset drivers,
21:07SPEAKERI usually get directly from the chipset vendor.
21:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I did with the AMD drivers
21:12SPEAKERon this thing, although they've been really slow
21:14SPEAKERto update their drivers compared to the board makers,
21:16SPEAKERwhich is also frustrating.
21:17SPEAKERThe AMD platform has been a mess anyway.
21:21SPEAKER- Well, it's brand new is the part of the issue in there.
21:23SPEAKERYeah, anyway, so sound, I don't use real tech.
21:27SPEAKERI just disable that in the BIOS usually.
21:29SPEAKER- Oh.
21:30SPEAKER- So I use, I have an external audio interface.
21:32SPEAKERI just use that and I minimize the number
21:34SPEAKERof sound devices on the computer.
21:36SPEAKERI would say stuff that's not frequently updated
21:40SPEAKERand it's working okay,
21:41SPEAKERI will just grab from Windows Update.
21:43SPEAKERSo that includes network drivers, sound drivers,
21:49SPEAKERanything like webcams, all that stuff.
21:52SPEAKERIf I don't need to install some custom application for it,
21:55SPEAKERI won't.
21:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so that happened to me with the LAN port
21:59SPEAKERon this board, Windows.
22:01SPEAKER- Yeah, there's LAN issues with that chipset, right?
22:04SPEAKER- Well, those are issues.
22:05SPEAKERI haven't run into the widespread issues with that.
22:08SPEAKERLike the performance of it has been fine,
22:10SPEAKERbut Windows didn't know what it was,
22:12SPEAKERdidn't have a driver for it by default.
22:14SPEAKER- And then it couldn't connect to Windows Update
22:15SPEAKERto get one 'cause it's a network driver, yeah.
22:18SPEAKER- And the Gigabyte installer for that,
22:21SPEAKERthe driver for the LAN from them,
22:22SPEAKERwhich is the newest version of the driver just failed.
22:24SPEAKERLike I could not make it apply the drivers to that device
22:28SPEAKERno matter what I did.
22:29SPEAKERSo the wifi was recognized on this board.
22:32SPEAKERSo I basically had to connect to wifi on this board
22:36SPEAKERand run Windows Update.
22:36SPEAKER- And then it worked itself out?
22:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm using an older LAN driver,
22:40SPEAKERbut it seems to be working fine, so.
22:43SPEAKER- So the good news is the next time you install Windows
22:45SPEAKERon that computer, that probably won't be an issue
22:47SPEAKER'cause that driver will get built into the next version
22:49SPEAKERof the updater.
22:51SPEAKERIt's just that you're the 22H2
22:54SPEAKERor whatever the current version that you download
22:56SPEAKERfrom Microsoft doesn't have the drivers
22:59SPEAKERfor the new chipsets yet probably.
23:02SPEAKER- That's weird 'cause this LAN controller is from 2019.
23:05SPEAKER- Yeah, but it's, my guess is that they're-
23:09SPEAKER- Is it a space thing?
23:10SPEAKERThey just don't wanna build 8,000 drivers for everything
23:13SPEAKERunder the sun into the Windows installer?
23:15SPEAKER- No, it's probably that there's a different HID for it
23:18SPEAKERin the, or different hardware identifier
23:21SPEAKERfor that implementation of it on that chipset,
23:26SPEAKERon that motherboard chipset, that this manufacturer used.
23:28SPEAKERAnyway.
23:30SPEAKER- Not a lot of weird device driver type stuff
23:33SPEAKERwith this board.
23:35SPEAKER- Well, what I was gonna say is the driver
23:36SPEAKERfor that chipset's probably on there,
23:38SPEAKERprobably just the Windows installer looks at that chipset
23:42SPEAKERon the motherboard, doesn't recognize the HID,
23:45SPEAKERand it's like, I don't know what to do with this one.
23:46SPEAKERSo you could probably go find it in the,
23:48SPEAKERlet me browse my, let me see what drivers are installed
23:52SPEAKERon my system thing.
23:53SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:54SPEAKER- Anyway.
23:56SPEAKERSo yeah, like non GPU chipset, if you're on Intel,
24:00SPEAKERyou gotta do the management engine interface driver,
24:02SPEAKERwhich is a new thing.
24:04SPEAKERIt's basically like a little tiny low power computer
24:06SPEAKERthat manages the big computer that does all the real work.
24:09SPEAKERAnd that's one you wanna keep updated
24:12SPEAKERbecause when they, especially if you're on a machine
24:17SPEAKERwith like big little cores or something like that,
24:20SPEAKERthat will dramatically impact your performance
24:23SPEAKERin certain workloads.
24:24SPEAKER- Yeah, that's been a fun one in my NAS,
24:26SPEAKERwhich has an ASUS C690 board in it,
24:30SPEAKERwhich, you know, I run Linux on that machine,
24:31SPEAKERbut as far as I can tell,
24:33SPEAKERyou can only update the management engine in Windows,
24:36SPEAKERunless I missed something. - Yeah, probably.
24:38SPEAKER- Which is how I found out
24:39SPEAKERthat you cannot boot Windows from USB.
24:42SPEAKERYou can't, like you can with Linux,
24:44SPEAKERyou can't install.
24:45SPEAKER- Oh yeah, you have to put another drive in, yeah.
24:47SPEAKER- You literally had to pull the machine out
24:48SPEAKERand connect another SATA drive in there
24:50SPEAKERand install Windows on that
24:52SPEAKERjust to update the management engine.
24:55SPEAKER- I bet that there'll be a Linux MEI driver
24:58SPEAKERat some point in the future.
24:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it might be possible, but I couldn't find it.
25:02SPEAKER- It may be that you need a specific version of the kernel
25:05SPEAKERor something for that, anyway.
25:07SPEAKER- And also like, at least in ASUS's case,
25:09SPEAKERthey like new BIOS versions will say,
25:11SPEAKERhey, don't flash this BIOS
25:12SPEAKERuntil you run this other management engine update first.
25:15SPEAKERSo it is like kind of mandatory.
25:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I have that with my board as well.
25:20SPEAKERI would say make sure when you're doing the driver updates,
25:24SPEAKERreboot between each one.
25:27SPEAKERJust, especially for chipset and MEI and stuff like that,
25:32SPEAKERthat seems important these days.
25:36SPEAKER- Here's just another quick aside.
25:37SPEAKERWe don't have to spend forever on my weird esoteric issues,
25:40SPEAKERbut the integrated GPU on these new Ryzens
25:44SPEAKERis technically a Radeon.
25:46SPEAKER- Okay.
25:46SPEAKER- It's like some cut down.
25:47SPEAKERWhat is the current RDNA three, I believe?
25:50SPEAKERIs there a current GPU architecture?
25:51SPEAKERIt's like cut down one of those.
25:52SPEAKERSo it actually uses the Radeon drivers.
25:55SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
25:56SPEAKER- And Steam does not know what the hell to do
25:58SPEAKERwith both an Nvidia G-Force and a Radeon.
26:01SPEAKER- Oh, at the same time?
26:03SPEAKER- The weird thing that happens is Steam tries
26:05SPEAKERto auto detect which GPU to use.
26:08SPEAKERAnd the net effect there is,
26:10SPEAKERevery time you even open the Steam window,
26:11SPEAKERlet alone launch a game,
26:12SPEAKERit takes like 10 plus seconds of sitting there
26:14SPEAKERdoing nothing while it tries to figure that out.
26:16SPEAKER- Oh, can you turn off that integrated GPU in the BIOS?
26:20SPEAKER- Yeah, and you can also disable the device in Windows,
26:21SPEAKERwhich is what I ended up doing.
26:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I would turn off the BIOS too.
26:25SPEAKER- And then it works fine,
26:26SPEAKERbut then there's no fallback.
26:28SPEAKERIf my graphics card blows up and I lose display,
26:31SPEAKERI'm not gonna be able to get any display out of Windows.
26:33SPEAKER- Well, yeah, 'cause when your BIOS detects
26:36SPEAKERthat there's no display,
26:39SPEAKERit'll turn on the integrated again.
26:43SPEAKERWhen your GPU state changes,
26:45SPEAKERit'll turn on the integrated graphics again.
26:47SPEAKER- If I leave it to auto in the BIOS
26:50SPEAKERand disable it in Windows,
26:52SPEAKERand Windows doesn't detect another GPU,
26:54SPEAKERdo you think it would turn it back on maybe?
26:56SPEAKER- That's what I would do.
26:57SPEAKER- Or like in safe mode, it might work.
26:58SPEAKEROkay, anyway.
26:58SPEAKER- Safe mode, it'll definitely work.
27:00SPEAKERSomething will work.
27:00SPEAKERAnyway.
27:01SPEAKER- Computers have gotten weird.
27:02SPEAKER- Or you reset the BIOS and then change your setting
27:05SPEAKERand then restore your settings.
27:07SPEAKERSo another thing, we didn't have this in the notes.
27:10SPEAKERAt this point, theoretically,
27:11SPEAKERyour BIOS should be working right.
27:13SPEAKERLike this is your, hey, everything's stable.
27:18SPEAKERI'm gonna save my BIOS settings now
27:21SPEAKERso that when you fuck with something later
27:23SPEAKERand break your machine,
27:24SPEAKERyou can restore to these BIOS defaults
27:26SPEAKERand you'll be back in business.
27:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if my new board has this.
27:30SPEAKERI assume probably everybody has this at this point
27:32SPEAKERthat you can save the configuration to a file.
27:35SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a newish feature.
27:37SPEAKEROr maybe it's a bad feature, mine does that too.
27:39SPEAKER- Yeah, and then the fan curve interface in the BIOS,
27:43SPEAKERyou can also save the fan configuration to a file.
27:45SPEAKERSo I started doing that rather than trusting
27:48SPEAKERwhatever NVRAM is on the board to store profiles for things
27:51SPEAKER'cause I've had that crap out already at least once.
27:54SPEAKERSo I've just actually started saving all the BIOS stuff
27:56SPEAKERto files that I keep.
27:57SPEAKER- Well, that stuff will also get overwritten
27:59SPEAKERwhen you update the BIOS as well.
28:01SPEAKER- There's also that.
28:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:03SPEAKEROkay, so now we're into the fun stuff, utilities.
28:07SPEAKER- You have converted me to your portable app ways
28:11SPEAKERfor the most part.
28:11SPEAKER- Great, great.
28:12SPEAKERIt's not perfect, but I think on net,
28:14SPEAKERit is a benefit for sure.
28:16SPEAKER- I mean, my kind of strategy is for small stuff,
28:22SPEAKERlike, I don't know, like USB-D view or--
28:28SPEAKER- Yes, but yes, I could go down the line here.
28:30SPEAKERI've got tons of stuff that, anything that's like small
28:33SPEAKERand has a portable version, I always go for that.
28:36SPEAKERFan control lives there.
28:38SPEAKER- Yeah, fan control or fan view.
28:40SPEAKERGosh, I mean, putty, I don't really use putty anymore.
28:42SPEAKERNotepad++, like you said.
28:44SPEAKERMost open source stuff, like I've got Blender
28:46SPEAKERand Inkscape in here in portable versions.
28:50SPEAKER- So I'll say, I find that some of those more,
28:53SPEAKERlike more function, like I have a hard time using Blender
28:57SPEAKERin the portable version because it doesn't,
29:00SPEAKERI want it to be integrated with the OS
29:02SPEAKERin some important ways.
29:03SPEAKERInkscape is a similar situation.
29:05SPEAKERI think Inkscape works a little bit better
29:06SPEAKERin the non-portable version.
29:08SPEAKER- Yeah, so one of the ways in which using portable apps
29:11SPEAKERis imperfect is that things that need to register
29:13SPEAKERwith Windows at a low level don't just happen.
29:16SPEAKERIn a lot of cases, they'll have like some batch file
29:19SPEAKERin there that you need to run as an administrator
29:21SPEAKERto set up whatever hooks that the installer would have done,
29:24SPEAKERwhich is a little bit of a pain.
29:25SPEAKERLike OBS has something like that for the virtual camera.
29:27SPEAKERYou have to run a script to make the virtual camera work.
29:32SPEAKERYou know, stuff like that.
29:34SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, it's not bad.
29:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it takes, you know, it might take a little bit
29:39SPEAKERof reading the readme to figure out how to do it.
29:41SPEAKERAnd it's kind of a pain, but you do it once and it's fine.
29:44SPEAKERThe upside is this is the first major machine transition
29:48SPEAKERfrom computer to computer I've done
29:50SPEAKERsince I started using mostly portable stuff.
29:53SPEAKERMoving Audacity and OBS over and firing them up
29:56SPEAKERand having them look and be configured
29:58SPEAKERand everything exactly like they were on the other machine
30:01SPEAKERmade all the other hassle worth it.
30:03SPEAKER- Yeah, having OBS do that without having any hassle
30:07SPEAKERsounds very nice.
30:08SPEAKEROBS is always a pain in the ass to move.
30:10SPEAKER- Yeah, it was kind of nuts.
30:11SPEAKERLike the last thing I streamed on my old machine
30:14SPEAKERwas "Sons of the Forest" and that also turned out
30:15SPEAKERto be the first thing I streamed on the new machine.
30:18SPEAKERAnd I opened OBS with "Sons of the Forest" running
30:21SPEAKERand it was just capturing video and audio
30:25SPEAKERwithout me touching anything.
30:26SPEAKERLiterally the first time I launched it on the new machine,
30:28SPEAKERit was kind of crazy.
30:30SPEAKER- You will run into some also some issues with stuff like
30:33SPEAKERAudacity and OBS of, it's not an issue,
30:35SPEAKERbut it's another thing to know.
30:37SPEAKERYou often have to do some weird little janky thing
30:39SPEAKERto make them run in portable mode.
30:41SPEAKERLike for Audacity, you have to create a folder
30:43SPEAKERin the Audacity folder called portable settings.
30:45SPEAKERThat will make it boot into portable mode.
30:48SPEAKEROBS is similar, I think it's a text file there.
30:51SPEAKERYes, you have to make a portable_mode.txt empty file
30:56SPEAKERin the directory.
30:58SPEAKERIt's a little bit weird, but again-
30:59SPEAKER- Does that mean I can convert my existing
31:02SPEAKERnon-portable mode version of OBS
31:04SPEAKERinto a portable mode version of OBS?
31:06SPEAKER- You should be able to.
31:07SPEAKERIf you just drop that text file in there
31:09SPEAKERand did nothing else than when you ran OBS,
31:10SPEAKERI think it would just run as a clean install.
31:13SPEAKERIt wouldn't find your old settings.
31:15SPEAKERI think if you moved everything over manually
31:18SPEAKERfrom your profile folder in AppData or wherever it lives,
31:21SPEAKERthat would probably work.
31:23SPEAKER- It's really, it's interesting.
31:25SPEAKER- It's also a nice way to manage multiple,
31:28SPEAKERI mean, this is more relevant to something like OBS
31:30SPEAKERthan some other things, but I have multiple versions of OBS.
31:33SPEAKERLike I have an old OBS 27 install here just as a fallback
31:38SPEAKERbecause I had done like a bajillion different scenes
31:41SPEAKERand stuff during the pandemic early on for giant bomb.
31:44SPEAKER- Yeah.
31:45SPEAKER- And so when I moved to OBS 28, I was like,
31:47SPEAKERyou know, I'll keep this just in case I ever need
31:48SPEAKERto go back to some of these old scenes,
31:49SPEAKERbut I want to wipe the slate clean
31:51SPEAKERso I can run this old OBS and get all those old scenes
31:54SPEAKERif I ever need to check something
31:55SPEAKERor check some old configuration.
31:57SPEAKER- I was going to say with OBS especially,
31:59SPEAKERit's worth mentioning, if you have a bunch of overlays
32:03SPEAKERwith like graphics and stuff, OBS won't,
32:07SPEAKERyou have to be thoughtful about where you save that stuff
32:10SPEAKERinside that portable app structure.
32:12SPEAKER'Cause if you save them on your desktop
32:13SPEAKERor someplace dopey, it's not there,
32:15SPEAKERthat part won't be portable and all of your stuff will break.
32:17SPEAKER- Yeah, those paths will be broken
32:19SPEAKERif you don't move everything.
32:20SPEAKERYou're talking about assets like images and stuff.
32:22SPEAKER- Yeah, images, audio, video, whatever you use.
32:25SPEAKERIt's gotten a little better in that it will prompt you
32:27SPEAKERwhen you launch it with all the files that are missing
32:29SPEAKERand let you specify a new path.
32:31SPEAKER- Yes, but it doesn't tell you what the path
32:33SPEAKERon the old computer was when you're doing that.
32:35SPEAKERSo it's, then you're playing the find my file game,
32:40SPEAKERwhich sucks.
32:41SPEAKERAnyway, so portable apps are really good.
32:43SPEAKER- Yes, another real, real quick on just another thing
32:46SPEAKERyou might run into, like I moved my Earth hand view over
32:49SPEAKERfrom the old machine and Windows, first of all,
32:52SPEAKERWindows has gone to this kind of annoying new thing
32:54SPEAKERfor file associations via the default apps control panel.
32:58SPEAKER- Yeah, you can still manually go in there
33:00SPEAKERand pick individual file types, but they basically say like,
33:03SPEAKERwhat's your image view or what's your music player?
33:05SPEAKERWhat's your this and that, you know?
33:07SPEAKERAnd Earth hand view is not showing up
33:09SPEAKERas a valid image viewer in this new install.
33:11SPEAKERSo there are some things like that,
33:13SPEAKERthat portable apps will always work great with.
33:18SPEAKER- There's also stuff like if you have things that integrate
33:22SPEAKERwith applications like Stream Deck plugins
33:25SPEAKERare a good example for OBS.
33:26SPEAKERThat stuff never works with portable installs
33:28SPEAKERor you have to do a lot of hoop jumping to make it work.
33:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I had to go dig the Stream Deck plugin
33:33SPEAKERout of the program files from the Stream Deck install
33:36SPEAKERdirectory and move that into the portable OBS directory.
33:39SPEAKER- That's actually not that bad.
33:40SPEAKER- That was not so bad, but I did have to hunt down
33:42SPEAKERa forum thread where one of the moderators said like,
33:44SPEAKERhey, here's where to put the files.
33:46SPEAKERI was just this morning trying to set up,
33:48SPEAKERthis is something we'll get to in a little bit,
33:50SPEAKERthe hardware info, HW info.
33:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:53SPEAKER- Has a pretty good plugin for Stream Deck
33:55SPEAKERso you can make different buttons on the Stream Deck,
33:58SPEAKERmonitor different CPU temperature or voltage or whatever.
34:01SPEAKERThat also does not work with the portable version.
34:02SPEAKERSo yeah, there is a fair amount of stuff like that
34:05SPEAKERthat is a bit of a pain.
34:07SPEAKER- The thing, the next thing is automating
34:12SPEAKERlike the basic install stuff that you use
34:14SPEAKERhas gotten really easy in the last few years.
34:17SPEAKERThe rise of Chocolaty and WinGet and Scoop
34:20SPEAKERis, gives you, I want to say Linux style package manager,
34:26SPEAKERlike command line based package manager
34:29SPEAKERthat lets you make a big text file that says,
34:32SPEAKERhey, here's all this stuff I want to install.
34:34SPEAKERAnd then it'll just run through that stuff and install it.
34:36SPEAKERAnd we're not talking about open source.
34:38SPEAKERI mean, there is open source stuff in there obviously,
34:40SPEAKERbut also stuff like Discord and Chrome and Firefox
34:43SPEAKERand all of that.
34:44SPEAKERSo when I did this new machine, the first thing I did
34:46SPEAKERwas grab Chocolaty from chocolaty.org.
34:49SPEAKERThat's chocolate with a Y at the end, .org.
34:53SPEAKERAnd I grabbed, I just made a big long batch file
34:57SPEAKERthat grabbed the Chocolaty, Choco install
35:01SPEAKERa bunch of different things and like walked away
35:04SPEAKERfor 10 minutes and came back and I had the applications
35:08SPEAKERthat I normally use on the computer,
35:09SPEAKERwhich was really nice Dropbox and...
35:13SPEAKER- Wow, using it for,
35:14SPEAKERso you're using it for a lot of gooey stuff it sounds like.
35:17SPEAKER- Yeah, look, I literally used it to install everything
35:20SPEAKERthat I, like the thing about it is they'll have installers
35:24SPEAKERfor most stuff that the downloader is freely available.
35:27SPEAKERSo like if you need a subscription to get access
35:30SPEAKERto the downloader, it's probably not going to be in there.
35:32SPEAKERBut like Discord and Firefox, Chrome,
35:39SPEAKERstuff like Notion I think was in there, Audacity.
35:42SPEAKERI use a local install of Audacity.
35:43SPEAKERI don't do a portable for that.
35:46SPEAKERAnything I wasn't doing portable installs of,
35:48SPEAKERI installed almost all of it through Chocolaty.
35:50SPEAKERWinGet also is good.
35:51SPEAKERIt's basically built into Windows 11 at this point.
35:55SPEAKERI think you have to, you might still have to download it
35:56SPEAKERfrom Windows 10, but maybe it's part
35:58SPEAKERof the default install at this point.
36:00SPEAKER- So I have it as part of this new Windows 10 install.
36:03SPEAKERIt may have come along with something else I installed,
36:05SPEAKERbut I didn't go out of my way to install WinGet individually.
36:08SPEAKER- If you get it, if you downloaded Windows Terminal
36:12SPEAKERfrom the Microsoft Store or package tools
36:15SPEAKERor I think WSL comes with it as well.
36:19SPEAKER- That might be it.
36:20SPEAKER- The Windows systems for Linux.
36:21SPEAKER- I will say WSL and PowerShell, stuff like that,
36:24SPEAKERMicrosoft's kind of big flagship open-source stuff.
36:26SPEAKERThey seem to really want you to use the Microsoft Store
36:29SPEAKERfor those things.
36:31SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause it's automatically updated, right?
36:34SPEAKER- Yeah, well, obviously they have business reasons
36:35SPEAKERto want you to use the Microsoft Store as well,
36:38SPEAKERbut more to the point, there are straight up features
36:41SPEAKERon some of these things that are not available
36:43SPEAKERin the offline installer version anymore.
36:45SPEAKERLike to get system D support in WSL 2,
36:48SPEAKERyou have to use the Microsoft Store version, I believe.
36:52SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that, that's weird.
36:53SPEAKER- I think that is the case.
36:56SPEAKERPowerShell, I used to use their kind of basic installer
37:00SPEAKERfrom their GitHub repo for PowerShell
37:01SPEAKERand it's supposed to auto update itself,
37:02SPEAKERbut it never would.
37:03SPEAKERLike it would lag old versions 'cause it just wouldn't,
37:06SPEAKERfor some reason, the auto update never worked.
37:08SPEAKERSo like as much as the Microsoft Store is kind of a pain,
37:11SPEAKERI've found that it's probably better to acquiesce
37:14SPEAKERto their desires in that case and just do it.
37:16SPEAKER- Well, so WinGet pulls directly from the Microsoft Store.
37:19SPEAKER- Okay.
37:20SPEAKER- Like the Microsoft, that's not true.
37:22SPEAKERThere's two sources, there's like a package source
37:24SPEAKERand then there's the Microsoft Store.
37:25SPEAKERAnd WinGet, one of them, it will often give you the choice
37:30SPEAKERbetween getting the Microsoft Store version
37:32SPEAKERand the package manager version.
37:34SPEAKER- Interesting.
37:35SPEAKER- The nice thing is once you install it with that,
37:37SPEAKERif you get it from the Microsoft Store version,
37:39SPEAKERit seems to update it automatically.
37:40SPEAKERAt least that's been my experience so far.
37:42SPEAKER- Yeah, so I've got Windows Terminal, PowerShell, WSL2,
37:46SPEAKERmaybe some other stuff.
37:48SPEAKERAnd it seems to, it's all updating fine.
37:50SPEAKER- Yeah, the chocolatey stuff generally,
37:54SPEAKERonce you grab it from there initially,
37:57SPEAKERyou're gonna be, like the app itself
37:59SPEAKERis gonna be responsible for updating itself.
38:01SPEAKER- Oh, that was gonna be my question about the GUI stuff.
38:03SPEAKERAnd that's one of the reasons
38:04SPEAKERI don't really install GUI stuff in Windows
38:06SPEAKERfrom a package manager because so many of them
38:08SPEAKERhave their own kind of auto update routines.
38:10SPEAKERSo I was gonna ask, are you Choco updating Discord
38:13SPEAKERor are you letting Discord just does its own thing?
38:15SPEAKER- Discord just does its own thing once it's installed.
38:17SPEAKERDropbox does its own thing.
38:18SPEAKER1Password does its own thing.
38:21SPEAKERThis is one of the things where conceptually it feels hacky,
38:27SPEAKERbut in the reality of Windows software,
38:29SPEAKERit's the right solution, I think, for the problem.
38:31SPEAKER- Yeah, and also Windows software, let's face it,
38:34SPEAKERis pretty hacky in general.
38:35SPEAKERLike there is no truly elegant solution.
38:40SPEAKERBut the idea of installing a new machine
38:42SPEAKERand literally feeding a text file into one command line
38:45SPEAKERand having it installed literally everything you use
38:47SPEAKERis kind of beautiful.
38:48SPEAKER- It wasn't quite everything, but it was almost everything.
38:51SPEAKERI was really blown away.
38:53SPEAKER- When it installs GUI stuff
38:55SPEAKERthat typically has a sort of click-through wizard installer,
38:58SPEAKERdoes it automate all of that?
38:58SPEAKER- Just goes through all that.
39:00SPEAKER- No kidding, so it's completely unattended for everything?
39:03SPEAKER- I'm trying to think.
39:07SPEAKERDropbox is probably the only thing I installed with that
39:10SPEAKERthat had a click-through installer that actually had...
39:12SPEAKERLike most of those, if you think about it,
39:14SPEAKERmost of the click-through installers
39:15SPEAKERyou click through at this point
39:16SPEAKERare agreeing to license terms
39:19SPEAKERand then stuff that you're not gonna touch
39:22SPEAKER'cause you're gonna install everything
39:23SPEAKERto see program files, right?
39:25SPEAKERSo yeah, I don't think I had anything that popped up
39:28SPEAKERthat I had to agree to.
39:30SPEAKERI may have had to agree to some licenses
39:32SPEAKERwhen I launched the applications the first time.
39:34SPEAKER- Okay, last thing real quick here.
39:36SPEAKERI moved to Scoop on this new install
39:39SPEAKERwhich I just became aware of recently.
39:41SPEAKER- What is Scoop, Brad?
39:42SPEAKER- It's just another command line package manager for Windows
39:45SPEAKERbut it is much more focused
39:46SPEAKERon just command line open source utilities.
39:48SPEAKERIt doesn't...
39:49SPEAKERThey do have some GUI stuff on there
39:50SPEAKERbut it's not really the main focus.
39:51SPEAKERAnd at the end of the day,
39:53SPEAKERthat's what I want most out of a package manager
39:55SPEAKERis like I want a Windows build of them and stuff like that.
39:59SPEAKER- Normal things people want.
40:01SPEAKER- Yeah, of course, iPerf 3.
40:02SPEAKEREverybody needs that on their Windows install.
40:04SPEAKER- I was just thinking, where's my iPerf 3 install?
40:06SPEAKERI don't know.
40:07SPEAKER- But I mean, if that's the stuff you're after, Scoop.
40:10SPEAKERThe nice thing about Scoop is it installs entirely
40:13SPEAKERinto a directory in your home directory.
40:15SPEAKER- Oh, that is nice.
40:15SPEAKER- And if you want to get rid of it
40:16SPEAKERand everything it's ever installed,
40:17SPEAKERyou just delete that directory and it's all gone.
40:19SPEAKERLike there are no...
40:20SPEAKER- That's very Unix-y.
40:21SPEAKER- And that's kind of why I...
40:23SPEAKERLike Chocolaty, I don't know what WinGet is doing
40:25SPEAKERbut Chocolaty kind of puts files all over the place
40:28SPEAKERand program files and stuff.
40:29SPEAKERAnd that can get weird with things you install
40:32SPEAKERthat have like log files or configuration files
40:35SPEAKERthat they expect to find in certain places.
40:37SPEAKERLike you'll have to dig deep into where Chocolaty
40:39SPEAKERputs executables in some cases to look for logs and things.
40:43SPEAKERSo that's the nice thing about Scoop.
40:44SPEAKERIt's very clean and minimal.
40:46SPEAKER- WinGet puts them wherever the Windows installer
40:49SPEAKERis gonna put them.
40:50SPEAKERSo for like Microsoft store apps,
40:51SPEAKERthey go in that weird untouchable folder
40:54SPEAKERfor normal GDK apps.
40:58SPEAKERThey land on your program files folder.
41:00SPEAKERThe one thing to note about WinGet and Chocolaty,
41:03SPEAKERWinGet, oddly WinGet, the non-community built version
41:08SPEAKERof this thing has been worse for this in the past,
41:10SPEAKERalthough it hasn't been as bad lately.
41:12SPEAKERThere is often stuff in WinGet that is probably bad.
41:17SPEAKERAnd you wanna be careful installing,
41:20SPEAKERlike you wanna pay really close attention
41:21SPEAKERto what the source is for your WinGet grabs.
41:27SPEAKERChocolaty too, but WinGet is the bigger one.
41:29SPEAKERLike if something is not actually available there,
41:32SPEAKERit is possible that there is some sort
41:35SPEAKERof ill intentioned software that has the same name
41:38SPEAKERthat is designed to lure people into installing stuff
41:41SPEAKERthat you don't wanna install on your computer.
41:43SPEAKER- That's the main reason I still don't use WinGet.
41:45SPEAKERI mean, let's hope Windows Defender still does its job well.
41:49SPEAKERI think it does.
41:50SPEAKER- I mean, I've never had it pop up with anything.
41:53SPEAKERI have not had it stop me from installing anything.
41:55SPEAKERI also don't think I've actually installed anything
41:57SPEAKERthat was bad, but I have definitely seen things
41:59SPEAKERthat were like, I was like, oh man, that is really suspect.
42:01SPEAKERI'm not gonna install that one.
42:05SPEAKERWhat about cloud storage, Brad?
42:06SPEAKERWhere are you at with cloud storage these days?
42:08SPEAKER- Cloud storage?
42:09SPEAKERGlad you asked. - You know, the drop boxes,
42:10SPEAKERyour G drives, your OneDrive.
42:11SPEAKEREverybody loves OneDrive, right?
42:13SPEAKERWhat about your iCloud file storage?
42:16SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know about that one.
42:18SPEAKERDo you use that?
42:20SPEAKER- I mean, I have it 'cause I pay for Apple bullshit
42:23SPEAKERand all my phones are backed up to it,
42:25SPEAKERbut I don't really use it for any files.
42:27SPEAKER- I should probably give Apple the 99 cents a month.
42:30SPEAKERI just don't, I don't use any of their cloud stuff,
42:32SPEAKERso I don't really have a need for it.
42:33SPEAKER- Where'd you back up your phone?
42:36SPEAKERBrad, no!
42:39SPEAKERYou gotta back up your phone, man.
42:41SPEAKER- Remember when I said I don't back up
42:42SPEAKERmy Windows user account?
42:45SPEAKER- Okay. - The phone was a lot like that.
42:46SPEAKER- Next week's episode,
42:48SPEAKERwe're gonna back up all of Brad's computers.
42:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I'll address that.
42:55SPEAKER- Brad, I'm very disappointed in you.
42:57SPEAKER- There is a lot, look, I'm so behind on certain backup
43:00SPEAKERthings since I moved to Linux on the NAS
43:02SPEAKERthat I haven't gotten around to setting up yet
43:04SPEAKER'cause I don't have time.
43:05SPEAKER- Okay, fair, fair, fair.
43:07SPEAKER- It's all in hand eventually.
43:10SPEAKERAnyway, yeah, what do you use?
43:14SPEAKERI've got, so I've got three different Google drives.
43:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I have two Google drives for different jobs.
43:20SPEAKER- Yeah, different work purposes.
43:23SPEAKERI do use OneDrive for some stuff and Dropbox,
43:26SPEAKERso I've got like five different cloud buckets I use.
43:29SPEAKER- So I cheat and I just share my Google drive
43:33SPEAKERfor our podcast stuff, which is one of the two that I use
43:36SPEAKERwith my personal one, which also has a lot of space
43:38SPEAKER'cause I pay for Google Photos.
43:42SPEAKERAnd I mostly paid for Google Photos originally
43:45SPEAKERso that I would get enough space in my Gmail
43:47SPEAKERthat I could continue using Gmail.
43:48SPEAKERBut now it turns out I actually quite like Google Photos,
43:51SPEAKERso they get $5 or whatever from me,
43:53SPEAKERfor $50 a year or something.
43:56SPEAKERThe one that, my primary is Dropbox.
43:59SPEAKERI use Dropbox as my bucket for holding stuff.
44:02SPEAKERBut then I also have a OneDrive for work
44:04SPEAKERbecause why wouldn't I have a OneDrive for work
44:06SPEAKER'cause we're a Microsoft house over at the game studio.
44:10SPEAKER- Why would you do that?
44:12SPEAKERWhy would anybody do that?
44:13SPEAKER- I'm gonna go and tell you.
44:14SPEAKERI did a Blue Sky about this the other day.
44:15SPEAKERThe reason people do it is because you could pay $50 a month
44:20SPEAKERper person for Dropbox and Slack and your Google Drive
44:25SPEAKERand all of the best versions of everything.
44:28SPEAKEROr you can pay $20 a month to Microsoft
44:30SPEAKERfor slightly shittier versions of all of that software.
44:33SPEAKER- Okay, you've fully made me understand why people use,
44:37SPEAKERwhat's the term, Office 365?
44:39SPEAKERIs that the blanket term for the Microsoft Suite?
44:41SPEAKER- Live 365 maybe, I don't know.
44:43SPEAKER- Okay, now I fully get it, okay.
44:46SPEAKER'Cause all I ever hear is people complaining about Teams
44:48SPEAKERand when I had to use Outlook
44:51SPEAKERfor the last four months of Giant Bomb, I hated that.
44:56SPEAKER- Yeah, if you wanna have a bad email experience
44:58SPEAKERand a bad group chat experience
45:01SPEAKERand a bad file sharing experience.
45:03SPEAKERAnd I'll be honest, Word, pretty good.
45:06SPEAKERExcel, pretty good.
45:07SPEAKERExcel, best in class, right?
45:09SPEAKER- Yes, sure.
45:10SPEAKER- But everything surrounding it
45:11SPEAKERis like the shittification diversion
45:15SPEAKERof the people who are doing that stuff better.
45:18SPEAKERI kind of, I mean, if it worked better,
45:20SPEAKERI would get the appeal though of one account
45:22SPEAKERthat just gives you all of that stuff.
45:24SPEAKER- Well, and it's nice.
45:25SPEAKERI mean, like, okay, I give Teams a lot of grief.
45:29SPEAKERTeams does some stuff really, really well.
45:31SPEAKERLike there are a handful of things,
45:33SPEAKERlike their interfaces for managing large meetings,
45:39SPEAKERlike video meetings is better than anybody else, I think,
45:42SPEAKERor anything I've used.
45:43SPEAKERBut the rest of it is a trash fire, anyway.
45:47SPEAKER- Oh, so yes. - And it's real heavy too.
45:49SPEAKER- Right, so cloud storage.
45:52SPEAKERAre you still just installing the,
45:55SPEAKERwell, you kind of mentioned this with Chocolatey,
45:57SPEAKERjust installing the kind of standard Windows installer
46:00SPEAKERversion of each of those services?
46:01SPEAKER- It's funny because I am.
46:03SPEAKERI'm kind of thinking I might be making a mistake though.
46:06SPEAKERBecause, well, so right now,
46:10SPEAKERfor all of the cloud storage I'm using,
46:12SPEAKERnow that I have Gigabit and my computer's fast
46:14SPEAKERand all that stuff, and I'm almost always online,
46:17SPEAKERI generally keep like two folders always saved locally,
46:20SPEAKERand then everything else is just the weird cloud version
46:23SPEAKERwhere it's kind of not synced over,
46:24SPEAKERand you choose to grab it when you access the file,
46:27SPEAKERand it just, there's like a half second lag.
46:30SPEAKER- Kind of on demand, yeah.
46:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that works pretty well for me.
46:33SPEAKERThe R clone thing that we talked about a few months ago,
46:37SPEAKERI didn't realize that that worked in Windows as well.
46:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so I haven't tried that aspect of it,
46:40SPEAKERbut I've been using R clone a lot in Linux,
46:42SPEAKERand it fucking rules.
46:45SPEAKER- Yeah, what are you using it for specifically?
46:47SPEAKER- So I mount all of those.
46:48SPEAKERI mount all five of those Google,
46:51SPEAKERor no, I'm sorry, cloud storage buckets
46:53SPEAKERas just straight up mount points on my NAS.
46:57SPEAKERAnd it's amazing.
46:58SPEAKER- So do you then share them back out
47:00SPEAKERso you can access those from your PC?
47:03SPEAKER- Not in that case, 'cause I tend to do most of my work
47:05SPEAKERthat would require command line stuff on the NAS
47:08SPEAKERin a container that runs on there.
47:09SPEAKERSo then I can access it from the MacBook
47:12SPEAKERjust as well as I can from Windows.
47:13SPEAKERSo I just don't really have the use case
47:17SPEAKERto do it in Windows, but you absolutely could.
47:19SPEAKERIn fact, I think we've talked about this before,
47:21SPEAKERyou can mount all of those cloud services
47:22SPEAKERas drive letters in Windows if you want.
47:25SPEAKER- Yeah, or you could mount them in a folder system,
47:29SPEAKERin like a C colon, cloud storage colon slash Dropbox
47:34SPEAKERor whatever.
47:35SPEAKER- Yes, you don't even have to make them.
47:36SPEAKER- Something sane, not use drive letters.
47:38SPEAKER- You're totally right.
47:39SPEAKERYou don't have to use drive letters.
47:40SPEAKERYou can mount them as part of your C drive if you would like.
47:45SPEAKERAnyway.
47:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I wonder, so I wonder if you lose the,
47:51SPEAKERso honestly like a big percentage of my Dropbox use
47:56SPEAKERis putting a file in the Dropbox and then right clicking it,
47:58SPEAKERgetting a link and sending that link to somebody.
48:01SPEAKERAnd I think having the local app running is probably,
48:06SPEAKERlike the number of times a day I do that is very, very high.
48:10SPEAKERAnd I think having to go to like the web interface
48:13SPEAKERand then find the file and all that stuff
48:15SPEAKERis probably not worth the savings to actually mount those.
48:20SPEAKERI might do that for the Google drive though.
48:22SPEAKER- So our clone can do that.
48:24SPEAKERIt'll give you a share link for anything.
48:26SPEAKER- By right click, like is that a shell extension?
48:29SPEAKER- That I don't know.
48:30SPEAKER- So you can run a command line tool
48:31SPEAKER'cause I'm less than excited about that.
48:33SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.
48:34SPEAKERSo our clone does have its own command line interface.
48:36SPEAKERSo it's very, I don't know what the,
48:39SPEAKERI'm sure people in the like coding or Linux channels
48:41SPEAKERon the discord could say, if there is a,
48:45SPEAKERis there a name for this kind of command line syntax
48:47SPEAKERphilosophy of like binary verb target kind of thing?
48:52SPEAKERDid that come about with Git?
48:53SPEAKERWhere everything now is like,
48:55SPEAKERlike it's our clone link path to file.
48:57SPEAKERLike that's how you get the link, share link profile.
48:59SPEAKER- That's the way mount has worked for a hundred years.
49:01SPEAKER- Kind of, kind of.
49:03SPEAKER- Right?
49:04SPEAKERLike you think about the way the old mount command worked.
49:06SPEAKERThat's how it's always worked.
49:08SPEAKER- Well, you're kind of mount dash T file system type
49:11SPEAKERcommand line flags stuff.
49:12SPEAKER- Just flags, the flags, the flags, yeah.
49:15SPEAKER- It's gotten, it's gotten to this very kind of
49:17SPEAKERnatural language thing though,
49:18SPEAKERthat I find pretty appealing or easy to work with.
49:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see that.
49:22SPEAKER- Anyway, sorry, I digress here,
49:24SPEAKERbut the way our clone works,
49:25SPEAKERyou can use its own command line interface
49:26SPEAKERto access stuff directly on the bucket.
49:29SPEAKEROr if you mount it into your local file system,
49:31SPEAKERyou can use whatever you use there,
49:33SPEAKERwhether it's bash in Linux or like file explorer in windows.
49:36SPEAKER- Yeah.
49:38SPEAKER- You could probably,
49:39SPEAKERyou could probably pretty easily set up some kind of like
49:42SPEAKERcustom right click shortcut with that command line to get
49:45SPEAKERthe link if you wanted.
49:45SPEAKERBut then I know that's kind of probably more than a lot of
49:47SPEAKERpeople want to do.
49:48SPEAKERThere's, I bet you, if you Google for it,
49:50SPEAKERI guarantee somebody's got a solution.
49:52SPEAKER- That's interesting.
49:53SPEAKERI'll have to, I'll have to look at that.
49:54SPEAKERCause that like,
49:55SPEAKERand I assume that this isn't actually copying all the files
49:59SPEAKERdown because at this point my Dropbox is pretty stupid big.
50:01SPEAKER- No, it's a hundred percent remote.
50:02SPEAKER- It's just remote.
50:03SPEAKER- Yeah, it doesn't pull anything down unless you physically
50:06SPEAKERcopy something to a local location.
50:09SPEAKER- Then you can use things like sync tool and things like
50:11SPEAKERthat to copy your, your important files over.
50:15SPEAKER- That's what's amazing about it is that you can,
50:17SPEAKERanything that works,
50:19SPEAKERanything you can use against a local file system also works
50:21SPEAKERagainst these cloud buckets that are being represented as
50:24SPEAKERlocal file systems.
50:25SPEAKERIt's like, like when I'm in Linux, for example,
50:27SPEAKERI can use like GNU find on my entire Google drive.
50:30SPEAKER- Man, that's nice.
50:32SPEAKER- Like I needed to make a bunch of directories in sequence
50:34SPEAKERyesterday on a Google drive and I just did it with the one
50:37SPEAKERliner in Z shell instead of like, I don't know about you,
50:41SPEAKERbut I hate clicking through the laggy web interfaces for
50:45SPEAKERmost cloud storage solutions all the time.
50:49SPEAKER- I mean, I literally pay with pay for Dropbox because the
50:52SPEAKERGoogle drive web interface is so bad.
50:54SPEAKER- It's so slow, it's so slow.
50:56SPEAKER- You can't find anything is the other problem.
50:58SPEAKER- Yeah. So, so yes, being able to be able to do the things
51:01SPEAKERyou can do with a local file system against your cloud
51:03SPEAKERstorage is pretty nice.
51:05SPEAKERThe R1 set up per bucket is a little fiddly.
51:09SPEAKERThey have pretty good tutorials up for it,
51:11SPEAKERbut it does require.
51:13SPEAKER- You have to do OAuth configuration and all that stuff.
51:15SPEAKER- Some OAuth type stuff.
51:17SPEAKERThe nice thing though, I will say the last thing,
51:19SPEAKERthe nice thing is all of the configuration is in one file.
51:23SPEAKER- Oh, so then you can move it to another computer and like,
51:26SPEAKERoh, that's nice.
51:26SPEAKER- You do all that work once and then you can just move that
51:28SPEAKERconf file to, I've got it in like three places now.
51:32SPEAKERAnd it all just works.
51:34SPEAKER- Tempted to mount all these folders on my NAS someplace
51:37SPEAKERand then share those folders out.
51:39SPEAKER- Yeah. That's kinda, kinda how I'm doing it right now.
51:42SPEAKER- That gives me a really easy way to access this for you.
51:44SPEAKERAnyway.
51:45SPEAKER- Yeah. If you can, if you can get around, it's,
51:47SPEAKERit's funny now that I'm, now that we're talking about this,
51:50SPEAKERif you can either get around or like find solutions for
51:52SPEAKERstuff, like you mentioned, like getting share links and
51:54SPEAKERstuff, you could kind of use all these cloud services
51:57SPEAKERwithout installing any of their actual software in windows.
52:01SPEAKER- Yeah. It's conceptually interesting.
52:04SPEAKERAnyway, I did like the section in the R clone docs that was
52:09SPEAKERlike, Hey, here's how we handle windows paths, which are,
52:13SPEAKERwhich it didn't say that windows paths are stupid,
52:16SPEAKERbut it was strongly implied. I'm going to say.
52:18SPEAKER- Yes. I get it.
52:21SPEAKER- And then, okay.
52:21SPEAKERSo then stuff like password managers, fan control.
52:25SPEAKERWe've talked about fan control before.
52:26SPEAKERFan control is amazing.
52:28SPEAKEREverybody should use a password manager.
52:29SPEAKERPlease use a password manager.
52:31SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:32SPEAKER- My one password just gave me the notifications.
52:33SPEAKERCause it's going to support pass keys soon,
52:35SPEAKERwhich I'm really excited about.
52:36SPEAKERCause it means that I won't have to use passwords anymore for
52:38SPEAKERa lot of sites, apparently.
52:40SPEAKER- What, what is a pad? What's the definition of a pass key?
52:42SPEAKER- It uses, it uses the token is your,
52:44SPEAKERis your biometric data from your phone,
52:46SPEAKERthe fingerprint or your face, and you don't.
52:49SPEAKERAnd then the there's no, there's no password.
52:52SPEAKER- Wow. Okay. I look, I,
52:54SPEAKERI tend to like bit warden quite a bit,
52:55SPEAKERbut the warden does not have that.
52:57SPEAKER- I everybody's going to have that soon.
52:59SPEAKER- Would be my guess.
53:00SPEAKER- Okay.
53:02SPEAKER- Fan, fan control lets you do conditional curves on your
53:06SPEAKERcooling. So like when things get above a certain temperature,
53:09SPEAKERyou can change the fan curve that you get to bring it back
53:11SPEAKERdown and stuff like that. It's, it's really neat.
53:15SPEAKERIf you have a stream deck,
53:17SPEAKERwhich is that Elgato thing with the buttons and the screens
53:19SPEAKERon it, I've,
53:21SPEAKERthere are so many things you can use that for like people use
53:25SPEAKERthose for hotkeys in Photoshop and blender and stuff like
53:28SPEAKERthat. Now they're, they're really neat.
53:30SPEAKERYou can install that stuff. Input director.
53:33SPEAKERThis is one that I've just recently started.
53:34SPEAKERI changed over because I used a cross platform for just
53:38SPEAKERinput director lets you is a software mouse and keyboard for
53:43SPEAKERsecondary computers.
53:45SPEAKERIt only works on windows is the knock against input
53:47SPEAKERdirector.
53:48SPEAKERThere's others that are cross-platform that are not quite as
53:50SPEAKERfunctional for, for what I do, but I use input director.
53:54SPEAKERIt's the reason I like this one is because it knows when
53:57SPEAKERyou're playing a game and it doesn't try to move your mouse
53:59SPEAKERoff of the edge of the monitor. When you're,
54:01SPEAKERwhen you're in a full screen or borderless full screen app.
54:05SPEAKERAnd you can also do things like I think I have mine bound so
54:08SPEAKERthat I have to press control and shift at the same time to
54:10SPEAKERmove the mouse from screen to screen,
54:12SPEAKERwhich ends up being a solve for my problem of losing the
54:16SPEAKERmouse on the secondary monitor.
54:19SPEAKER- That sounds useful.
54:20SPEAKER- Yeah, it's good.
54:21SPEAKERAnd then like I used to have a tool for changing bindings on
54:26SPEAKERmy, on my keyboard, my QMK keyboard.
54:30SPEAKERBut now there's a thing,
54:31SPEAKERa website that if you load up in Chrome called can I use via
54:35SPEAKERdot com V I A it's a QMK keyboard editor that runs in Chrome
54:41SPEAKERand it recognizes most of the common QMK keyboards.
54:44SPEAKERYou can set up a template for it.
54:46SPEAKERYou can change your lighting.
54:47SPEAKERYou can change the layers of your keyboard,
54:50SPEAKERall of that inside this web interface.
54:52SPEAKERAnd you don't have to have anything local to do it.
54:54SPEAKERIt just connects to the HID device from the browser,
54:56SPEAKERwhich is awesome.
54:58SPEAKER- That's cool.
54:59SPEAKER- Power toys.
55:00SPEAKER- Yes. Power toys.
55:02SPEAKER- Love me some power toys.
55:03SPEAKER- Yes. Also loved the power toys back in the day.
55:05SPEAKERLike not only am I excited that new power toys is awesome,
55:09SPEAKERbut I also just love it as a throwback because power toys in
55:13SPEAKERWindows 95 felt like you were like getting away with some
55:17SPEAKERsecret knowledge.
55:18SPEAKER- Well, and it's, it's almost all open source now.
55:20SPEAKERSo the source for all these, a lot of these,
55:22SPEAKERI think is on GitHub.
55:23SPEAKERI don't know about all of them are.
55:24SPEAKER- Yeah. So power toys is another one that I've installed
55:26SPEAKERthrough the Microsoft store now.
55:28SPEAKER- But, but I love power toys run,
55:31SPEAKERwhich is the one that lets you hit alt and space to,
55:34SPEAKERto hot launch gives you a, it basically gives you the window,
55:39SPEAKERthe micro Mac spotlight UI for launching applications,
55:42SPEAKERwhich is fabulous.
55:43SPEAKER- I should probably start using that instead of the start
55:45SPEAKERmenu for this sort of thing at those points.
55:48SPEAKER- Oh, that reminds me of speaking of start menu,
55:51SPEAKERdisabling search in the start menu.
55:55SPEAKER- Can you?
55:56SPEAKER- Disabling internet search in the start menu.
55:59SPEAKER- I would love to disable literally everything except the
56:01SPEAKERapplications in the start menu.
56:03SPEAKER- That's what this does.
56:04SPEAKER- Even local file search.
56:05SPEAKERLike I looked for solutions and it was a lot of like
56:08SPEAKERunreliable registry stuff.
56:10SPEAKER- Yeah. So if you go to group policy editor,
56:15SPEAKERGP, GP edit MSC.
56:18SPEAKER- The old GP edit. Yeah.
56:19SPEAKER- So that's only in pro and up, I believe.
56:23SPEAKER- Yes. Alternately the easiest way to do it is probably to go
56:26SPEAKERto H key, current user software policies,
56:29SPEAKERMicrosoft windows explorer,
56:32SPEAKERcreate a key called disabled search box suggestions and set
56:37SPEAKERthat to one, then restart the computer.
56:39SPEAKER- And that does that literally disable all types of search,
56:41SPEAKERnot just internet.
56:42SPEAKER- I believe that as web search results,
56:45SPEAKERwhich solves about 90% of my problem with the search thing.
56:48SPEAKER- The, the,
56:49SPEAKERbut the other way to do is just use the power toy.
56:51SPEAKERCause it just searches the installed applications.
56:54SPEAKERIt does exactly what you want.
56:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
56:57SPEAKER- Power rename is really good.
56:58SPEAKERIt lets you use reg edit, reg exp to regular expressions.
57:04SPEAKERYes. Thank you.
57:05SPEAKERTo change file names in a directory.
57:08SPEAKERSo you're going to add, it may basically,
57:10SPEAKERif you want to easily append or put,
57:12SPEAKERput a post fix on something, you can.
57:14SPEAKERFancy zones, less important on windows 11.
57:18SPEAKERIt turns out because it's kind of built in.
57:20SPEAKER- They've got some version of that in there, right?
57:23SPEAKER- There's like six basic templates that are like a four,
57:25SPEAKERa quad, a two thirds, one third split, a 50 50 split,
57:29SPEAKERa 50, 25, 25, a 25, 25, 50, and 33, 33, 33.
57:36SPEAKER- Oh, you can't define your own?
57:38SPEAKER- You can't define your own by default.
57:41SPEAKERIf you have a vertical monitor, fancy zones is a must have.
57:44SPEAKER- Sure. I could definitely see that.
57:46SPEAKERFancy zones just lets you snap windows
57:48SPEAKERto specified kind of windows, window geometry.
57:52SPEAKER- Yes. Subsets of your monitors, basically.
57:54SPEAKER- Yes. I finally started using it and it is indeed awesome.
57:58SPEAKER- Color picker is another really good one.
58:00SPEAKER- Real quick before we move on,
58:01SPEAKERyou know what I wish there was an option for in windows
58:04SPEAKERwhen it comes to window management is to
58:07SPEAKERtrying to think how to put it like essentially
58:09SPEAKERturn on sort of hard, hard borders on your desktop.
58:13SPEAKERLike I would love to be able to drag a window
58:15SPEAKERand have it not drag off the monitor optionally
58:18SPEAKERwhere you could just drag it up into a corner
58:19SPEAKERor against a side, not, not have it snap,
58:22SPEAKERhave it keep its size, but just put it up in the corner
58:26SPEAKERand still keep the entire window on the screen.
58:27SPEAKERI wish, I wish there was some option or toggle
58:29SPEAKERfor let me drag this to the edge, but not drag it off.
58:33SPEAKER- So if you drag, if you have the,
58:35SPEAKERif you drag the monitor to the, to the,
58:37SPEAKERif you, if you extend the window and make it tall,
58:39SPEAKERit'll do that.
58:40SPEAKER- Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
58:42SPEAKERI mean, I've done that, but that still is,
58:44SPEAKERis changing the size of the window.
58:45SPEAKERThen it, then it spans the entire height of the monitor.
58:48SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh.
58:49SPEAKER- You know, you got like a little tiny window
58:51SPEAKERand you just want to drag it all the way up into the corner
58:53SPEAKERand have it sit there and not fly off the side.
58:56SPEAKER- Yeah. Like hard edges.
58:58SPEAKER- Yes.
58:59SPEAKER- There's a command on Unix you can like hold alt
59:02SPEAKERor something and it does that, I think, right?
59:03SPEAKER- Yeah. If somebody knows how to do that in windows,
59:06SPEAKERI would love to know.
59:10SPEAKER- Color picker, real good. Windows shift C
59:14SPEAKERand wherever your mouse cursor is,
59:16SPEAKERit gives you the color of the background there.
59:18SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know about that. Look at that.
59:20SPEAKER- That one's a banger.
59:21SPEAKER- Kind of, kind of basically like pipette in Photoshop.
59:24SPEAKER- Yeah, but it's for anything on your windows renderer.
59:26SPEAKERLike for example, your wall is D seven nine B five C
59:31SPEAKERright now in the lighting that you have.
59:35SPEAKERAnd then it gives you that,
59:36SPEAKERthat number in hex and RGB and HSL as well,
59:40SPEAKERwhich is super nice.
59:41SPEAKER- That's cool.
59:42SPEAKER- It gives you the most recent ones you hit too.
59:44SPEAKERAnd then image resizer.
59:46SPEAKERI made presets for all of the steam
59:49SPEAKERand the normal promotional sizes
59:52SPEAKERthat I have to generate for steam.
59:54SPEAKERAnd it will resize stuff to fit with just a right click
59:57SPEAKERand going to a menu and picking the thing you want,
1:00:00SPEAKERwhich is fantastic.
1:00:01SPEAKER- That sounds like a huge time saver.
1:00:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:00:05SPEAKER- Paste, paste, oh sorry.
1:00:06SPEAKER- No, go ahead.
1:00:07SPEAKER- Paste as plain text, I think is a newer one.
1:00:09SPEAKERI think they've just added that pretty recently.
1:00:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I just got that one updated the other day.
1:00:13SPEAKERI was excited about it.
1:00:14SPEAKER- I think, I think by default it's control window V.
1:00:18SPEAKERIt does exactly what it says.
1:00:19SPEAKERIt removes, it strips all formatting
1:00:21SPEAKERfrom whatever text you're pasting
1:00:22SPEAKERand just paste it as plain text.
1:00:23SPEAKERAnd I, you've been able to do this
1:00:25SPEAKERwith control shift V for a long time, but I don't know.
1:00:28SPEAKER- Some apps, yeah.
1:00:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I assume that was application specific
1:00:31SPEAKERand it doesn't work everywhere, but this is a global.
1:00:33SPEAKERSo that's super nice.
1:00:35SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fantastic.
1:00:37SPEAKERJust speaking of paste, Win+V,
1:00:40SPEAKERI've started using Win+V instead of control V.
1:00:43SPEAKER- That's great.
1:00:44SPEAKER- Is that a Windows 11 thing or is it on Windows 10 too?
1:00:46SPEAKER- It works on Windows 10 also.
1:00:47SPEAKER- So it gives you, you have to turn it on,
1:00:50SPEAKERbut it gives you clipboard history.
1:00:52SPEAKERSo you can go back through recent things
1:00:53SPEAKERyou've had in the clipboard and grab things.
1:00:56SPEAKERYou can turn that on by going into settings
1:01:01SPEAKERand search for clipboard history.
1:01:02SPEAKER- You actually, so I just did it this morning
1:01:04SPEAKER'cause I had forgotten to turn it on on this install.
1:01:06SPEAKERNow, the first time you hit Win+V,
1:01:07SPEAKERit'll actually just have a turn on button
1:01:09SPEAKERright there in the thing.
1:01:11SPEAKER- That's fabulous.
1:01:12SPEAKER- Yeah, clipboard history is extremely useful.
1:01:14SPEAKERI don't, does it clear it every time you reboot?
1:01:17SPEAKER- I don't know.
1:01:19SPEAKER- I actually, I think it might start saving
1:01:22SPEAKERonce you enable it and maybe it does persist.
1:01:25SPEAKER- It maybe persists.
1:01:26SPEAKERI haven't rebooted my computer in a minute.
1:01:28SPEAKERSorry, it would be hard for me to know.
1:01:31SPEAKER- Last thing before we move on
1:01:33SPEAKERin terms of just built-in Windows stuff,
1:01:35SPEAKERdoes everybody know about the built-in?
1:01:37SPEAKERWell, I don't even know what they call it.
1:01:38SPEAKERThe screen capture stuff, the--
1:01:41SPEAKER- Win Shift+S?
1:01:42SPEAKER- Yes, Win Shift+S.
1:01:43SPEAKER- Win Shift+S is the friggin' businessman.
1:01:46SPEAKER- It is like maybe the best thing
1:01:49SPEAKERto happen to Windows in years, honestly.
1:01:52SPEAKER- Hey, I'm grabbing a, I just grabbed your face.
1:01:54SPEAKERHere, I'm gonna give it to you.
1:01:55SPEAKERYou can use it for the show art.
1:01:56SPEAKERIt's exactly what you're hoping for.
1:01:59SPEAKER- I did not dress for--
1:02:00SPEAKER- Oh, we're making a face that's appropriate
1:02:02SPEAKERfor show art either.
1:02:03SPEAKERThere you go. - Oh, man.
1:02:04SPEAKER- You look a little confused.
1:02:06SPEAKER- Look, maybe I'll throw it in there.
1:02:07SPEAKERWow, I look very red for some reason.
1:02:09SPEAKER- My monitor's probably warm, but anyway.
1:02:11SPEAKER- Yeah, but yes, so I know some people
1:02:14SPEAKERstill will install third-party utilities
1:02:16SPEAKERto take screen grabs, and you don't have to do that anymore.
1:02:20SPEAKERSo Win Shift+S, it'll pop a little menu up at the top
1:02:23SPEAKERwhen you do it, and you can drag select
1:02:25SPEAKERany region of the screen.
1:02:26SPEAKERYou can have it take the entire desktop.
1:02:28SPEAKERYou can have it take just the window
1:02:30SPEAKERthat your mouse is highlighting.
1:02:31SPEAKER- You can do a freeform blob.
1:02:33SPEAKER- You can do a lasso.
1:02:35SPEAKER- Also, it freezes the screen.
1:02:37SPEAKER- Yes.
1:02:38SPEAKER- So you can get things that normally
1:02:40SPEAKERare difficult to screenshot,
1:02:42SPEAKERbecause as soon as you hit another button, they go away.
1:02:44SPEAKER- Right, so as soon as you hit the key combo,
1:02:46SPEAKERwhatever's on the screen just freezes.
1:02:47SPEAKERSo taking any kind of screenshots of a video or anything.
1:02:51SPEAKER- Or you wanna show somebody a UI,
1:02:54SPEAKERand you're like, "Hey, I don't know how to do this.
1:02:56SPEAKERHow do I do this?"
1:02:57SPEAKERAnd yeah.
1:02:58SPEAKER- And the best part about it is that it copies
1:03:00SPEAKERthe image data right into the clipboard,
1:03:02SPEAKERso you can do that and then immediately
1:03:05SPEAKERcontrol-V it into Discord or Slack or whatever.
1:03:07SPEAKER- Not Teams, though.
1:03:09SPEAKER- Really?
1:03:10SPEAKER- Takes a really long time in Teams.
1:03:12SPEAKER- Fuck.
1:03:13SPEAKER- Yeah, these are all Microsoft products.
1:03:16SPEAKERHow is that the worst one?
1:03:17SPEAKER- Look, man, the thing that never works
1:03:20SPEAKERis copying an image from Discord into Teams.
1:03:22SPEAKERYou always have to put it someplace else first.
1:03:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it also allows you to click it
1:03:27SPEAKERin the, what is it, the notification center or the thing?
1:03:30SPEAKER- Yeah, the bottom right corner, yeah.
1:03:32SPEAKER- It also puts it there so you can go back
1:03:34SPEAKERand click it and save it as a ping
1:03:36SPEAKERor whatever right from there.
1:03:37SPEAKER- I'm gonna go ahead and tell you one of the first things
1:03:39SPEAKERI do with that notification center on Windows
1:03:40SPEAKERis set it to do not disturb
1:03:42SPEAKERand to never turn off do not disturb.
1:03:44SPEAKER- Really?
1:03:45SPEAKER- I don't like Windows notifications.
1:03:46SPEAKERI don't think they're particularly useful.
1:03:47SPEAKERIt's almost always stuff I don't care about.
1:03:49SPEAKER- A lot of them are pretty annoying, you're not wrong.
1:03:52SPEAKER- The one thing I have done recently,
1:03:55SPEAKERthe latest version of Windows has that phone,
1:03:58SPEAKERthere's iOS support for PhoneLink now.
1:04:02SPEAKERSo you can get your phone notifications
1:04:04SPEAKERto pop up on the Windows machine,
1:04:07SPEAKERwhich means when I get a text on my phone
1:04:09SPEAKERthat I don't look at during the day
1:04:10SPEAKERand I'm sitting on my Windows computer,
1:04:11SPEAKERI get the text notification.
1:04:12SPEAKER- And I've seen people talking about that new support
1:04:15SPEAKERfor that, maybe I should set that up.
1:04:17SPEAKER- I think it's only on Windows 11, Brad, I'm sorry.
1:04:20SPEAKER- That stinks.
1:04:20SPEAKERWell, the main reason I didn't really care about it
1:04:22SPEAKERis it still doesn't give you full iMessage functionality.
1:04:25SPEAKER- So you can respond to text messages
1:04:27SPEAKERthat are in iMessage in your text app,
1:04:29SPEAKERbut you cannot respond to iMessages.
1:04:30SPEAKERYou do get the notifications for the iMessages,
1:04:32SPEAKERwhich is like 90% of what I want.
1:04:34SPEAKER- It's a start and I hope they will get there.
1:04:36SPEAKERIf I can, dude, I would actually maybe just go ahead
1:04:39SPEAKERand upgrade to Windows 11 to be able to iMessage
1:04:41SPEAKERdirectly from my PC.
1:04:43SPEAKER- Yeah, like it is a real hole, it turns out.
1:04:47SPEAKERAnyway, what else you got?
1:04:51SPEAKER- Gosh, I guess I could mention WSL2 real fast.
1:04:56SPEAKER- WSL2, the Windows systems for Linux?
1:04:59SPEAKER- Windows subsystem for Linux, the SQL.
1:05:02SPEAKER- Oh, we're into some real dark, dark business here.
1:05:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I won't get too deep into it,
1:05:06SPEAKERbut I am using it more seriously now than I have in the past
1:05:10SPEAKERnow that I've got all this fast hardware.
1:05:12SPEAKER- Yes.
1:05:13SPEAKER- It works quite well installing it from the store.
1:05:14SPEAKERIt has systemd support now, which is the init system
1:05:17SPEAKERthat 95% of Linux distros use these days
1:05:20SPEAKERand a lot of Linux software
1:05:22SPEAKERjust kind of expects systemd to be in place.
1:05:25SPEAKER- systemd is how you launch services and stuff, right?
1:05:28SPEAKER- Yeah, the init system is essentially the first process
1:05:31SPEAKERthat runs on, there might be nuance here I'm missing,
1:05:34SPEAKERbut generally when you start an operating system,
1:05:36SPEAKERthe first thing the kernel runs is the init system
1:05:39SPEAKERand that handles launching everything else.
1:05:42SPEAKERLaunchd is the name of the init system in Mac OS,
1:05:45SPEAKERWindows, who the hell knows?
1:05:48SPEAKERsystemd is a whole topic, man, there are...
1:05:54SPEAKER- It's powerful.
1:05:55SPEAKER- Well, yes, it does a lot of things
1:05:56SPEAKERand that's why a lot of the old Greybeards hate it.
1:05:59SPEAKERI mean, hate it, like dude,
1:06:01SPEAKERshould maybe do an episode about this.
1:06:03SPEAKEROld school Unix hacker types,
1:06:06SPEAKERa lot of them really hate systemd
1:06:08SPEAKERbecause they think it is dramatically out of scope
1:06:10SPEAKERfor what the Unix philosophy should be
1:06:13SPEAKERbecause they think it's one thing
1:06:15SPEAKERthat does way too many things.
1:06:17SPEAKERThere's a little bit of a weird conspiratorial
1:06:20SPEAKERthinking aspect to it of putting too much power
1:06:24SPEAKERinto too few hands kind of thing.
1:06:26SPEAKER- There's an interesting idea here in my head that now,
1:06:29SPEAKERI hadn't thought about this before,
1:06:30SPEAKERbut like the Unix philosophy of every tool has a program
1:06:35SPEAKERand it's limited to doing that one thing really well.
1:06:38SPEAKERAnd then there's the Alton Brown theory
1:06:40SPEAKERthat there should be no unitaskers.
1:06:44SPEAKERI feel like we could glue these two ideas together
1:06:47SPEAKERand they'll never touch the ground.
1:06:48SPEAKERThey'll just keep spinning forever, right?
1:06:49SPEAKERIt's like the cat and the toast with the jam on the top.
1:06:53SPEAKER- Anyway, the systemd mistrust is basically
1:06:57SPEAKERthe kind of central banking conspiracy theory
1:07:00SPEAKERof the Linux world.
1:07:02SPEAKER- So you're saying they're cranks.
1:07:04SPEAKER- Yes, kind of.
1:07:06SPEAKER- See any drama coming up.
1:07:08SPEAKER- Go off on a tangent here,
1:07:08SPEAKERbut it's cool that you can turn that on now
1:07:11SPEAKERso that your Linux instance and Windows run systemd
1:07:16SPEAKERfor things that depend on that.
1:07:18SPEAKERI grabbed the current Debian from the store,
1:07:20SPEAKERwhich is stable, which is bullseye,
1:07:22SPEAKERwhich as we talked about on the FOS pod,
1:07:24SPEAKERDebian stable turn or tends to be pretty outdated.
1:07:27SPEAKER- It's old.
1:07:29SPEAKER- But you can just edit the sources for apt,
1:07:32SPEAKERthe package manager to make it testing,
1:07:35SPEAKERwhich is like kind of bleeding edge.
1:07:36SPEAKERAnd that has worked quite well.
1:07:37SPEAKERSo I just have a-
1:07:38SPEAKER- Is it SID?
1:07:39SPEAKER- No, SID is unstable.
1:07:40SPEAKERSID is like the straight up development branch.
1:07:42SPEAKERLike you kind of,
1:07:43SPEAKERyou probably don't want to rely on that for serious work,
1:07:45SPEAKERbut testing I've messed with arch in a container enough
1:07:49SPEAKERto say that testing is also almost as up to date as arch.
1:07:53SPEAKERAnd I've had way fewer problems with bugs and stuff.
1:07:56SPEAKERSo I think it's a good option for,
1:07:59SPEAKERif you want to like do work with current packages,
1:08:01SPEAKERbut it's still reasonably stable.
1:08:03SPEAKERAnyway, I don't want me to ramble about this too much.
1:08:05SPEAKER- So this is a stupid question,
1:08:06SPEAKERbut can you like launch a GUI, a Linux GUI from the WSL2?
1:08:10SPEAKER- Yes, GUI Linux apps work.
1:08:13SPEAKERSo that was something that originally
1:08:14SPEAKERonly worked in Windows 11.
1:08:15SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:08:16SPEAKER- But for whatever reason,
1:08:17SPEAKERthey relented and have backported that to 10 now.
1:08:19SPEAKERSo any WSL2 can run any, maybe not any,
1:08:23SPEAKERbut most most GUI applications for Linux,
1:08:26SPEAKERyou can run right in Windows now.
1:08:28SPEAKERLike WSL2 is kind of amazing.
1:08:30SPEAKER- That's really cool.
1:08:31SPEAKER- Like honestly, I bet for a lot of people,
1:08:33SPEAKERit obviates the need to even have a Linux install
1:08:35SPEAKERrunning on actual hardware anywhere.
1:08:37SPEAKERLike it probably does what most
1:08:39SPEAKERor a lot of people might need.
1:08:42SPEAKERThe stuff I am going to use it for
1:08:44SPEAKERnow that I have way better hardware.
1:08:46SPEAKERI'm going to set Whisper back up on it,
1:08:47SPEAKERthe machine learning texts, or I'm sorry,
1:08:51SPEAKERspeech to text, like audio transcription.
1:08:53SPEAKERLike that's actually super useful for me
1:08:55SPEAKERin some of the work I do,
1:08:57SPEAKERto be able to just feed like podcast recordings into it
1:08:59SPEAKERand get text out and stuff like that.
1:09:00SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:09:01SPEAKER- I might goof around with stable diffusion
1:09:02SPEAKERjust because I've got a 4090.
1:09:04SPEAKERI don't really have any need for it, but,
1:09:06SPEAKERand the other thing is these new video cards
1:09:09SPEAKERhaving AV1 in code on them.
1:09:12SPEAKER- Do you access that from the WSL environment though?
1:09:15SPEAKER- Yes, so since, I don't know, two years ago or something,
1:09:21SPEAKERthe game ready Nvidia drivers for Windows
1:09:23SPEAKERalso support the card in WSL too.
1:09:28SPEAKERSo you don't even have to do anything special.
1:09:29SPEAKERLike the Linux instance knows the hardware is there
1:09:33SPEAKERand can access it.
1:09:34SPEAKERYou still have to worry about installing dependencies
1:09:35SPEAKERand stuff that make the actual software work.
1:09:39SPEAKERSo for example, even the FFmpeg that's in Debian testing,
1:09:42SPEAKERobviously is not built with AV1 NVENC support
1:09:46SPEAKERand stuff like that.
1:09:47SPEAKERBut Nvidia has got actually pretty good instructions up
1:09:49SPEAKERfor just building a custom version of FFmpeg
1:09:51SPEAKERwith all the newest NVENC stuff in there.
1:09:54SPEAKERSo I am going to do that at some point
1:09:57SPEAKERand mess around with like the hardware AV1 in code.
1:10:00SPEAKER- That's really cool.
1:10:01SPEAKER- Last thing I'll say,
1:10:03SPEAKERI compiled Python from source in that instance at one point,
1:10:07SPEAKERand it is the thing that has hit all 16 cores on the CPU,
1:10:11SPEAKERthe hardest by far that I've done so far.
1:10:15SPEAKERAnd it completed very quickly.
1:10:17SPEAKERAnd that was awesome for as many issues as I have had
1:10:21SPEAKERwith this platform in general so far,
1:10:23SPEAKERseeing the big beefy 16 core CPU do something really heavy,
1:10:27SPEAKERreally quickly was pretty awesome.
1:10:29SPEAKER- That's really cool.
1:10:36SPEAKERI haven't set that up on the new computer.
1:10:37SPEAKERI actually should.
1:10:38SPEAKERI wonder, can you pick whatever district you want,
1:10:41SPEAKERor they have supported distros.
1:10:42SPEAKER- It's pretty limited.
1:10:44SPEAKERSo they've got Ubuntu and Debian are on the store.
1:10:46SPEAKERI think Ubuntu stays pretty up to date.
1:10:48SPEAKERI don't know if it's 23 or four just yet,
1:10:50SPEAKERbut it's pretty recent.
1:10:52SPEAKER- Once you have it installed,
1:10:53SPEAKERyou can update it internally, right?
1:10:55SPEAKER- Yeah, you can update it.
1:10:56SPEAKERKind of like I did with moving to Debian testing.
1:10:58SPEAKERYou can just kind of update your package sources
1:11:01SPEAKERand do it that way.
1:11:02SPEAKERThey've got Kali, Linux.
1:11:06SPEAKERThere are not a lot, actually.
1:11:07SPEAKERThere's no Fedora, I don't think.
1:11:11SPEAKERSorry, I'm trying to open the store
1:11:12SPEAKERand see what else is there.
1:11:14SPEAKERIt's very few, it's like four or five distros, I think.
1:11:16SPEAKER- That makes sense.
1:11:17SPEAKER- Ubuntu, Kali, Debian, that might be it actually,
1:11:21SPEAKERwhich seems kind of crazy.
1:11:23SPEAKERYou can't, oh, SUSE, they have SUSE as well.
1:11:27SPEAKERI think that might be it.
1:11:29SPEAKERPistachio Linux, looks like it might be arch-based.
1:11:32SPEAKEROkay, there's some weird stuff on here.
1:11:34SPEAKEROracle Linux, all right, I take it back.
1:11:35SPEAKERThere are a few.
1:11:37SPEAKERYou can actually turn any Linux image into a WSL2 container,
1:11:42SPEAKERthough. - Oh, okay.
1:11:43SPEAKER- They have a few.
1:11:44SPEAKERMicrosoft has instructions up for doing it.
1:11:46SPEAKEROh, they have Alpine on here.
1:11:47SPEAKERThey're actually more than I gave them credit for.
1:11:50SPEAKERAnd Fedora, okay.
1:11:52SPEAKERI take back what I said.
1:11:52SPEAKERThe problem is when you search Linux,
1:11:54SPEAKERyou get every single fucking thing that has Linux in it.
1:11:57SPEAKERAnd so a lot of these distros are like dozens of results
1:12:00SPEAKERdown the page when I thought they would kind of
1:12:02SPEAKERfloat to the top.
1:12:03SPEAKERSo there are actually quite a few options in here.
1:12:05SPEAKERBut again, you can actually turn any functional Linux image
1:12:09SPEAKERinto a WSL2 thing with some hackery.
1:12:14SPEAKER- There you go.
1:12:17SPEAKERAny other last tweaks?
1:12:21SPEAKER- Do you want to talk about the hardware monitoring
1:12:22SPEAKERa little bit or?
1:12:24SPEAKER- We can if you want, yeah.
1:12:25SPEAKER- Just very briefly.
1:12:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I just use fan control for me, basically.
1:12:31SPEAKER- You're on, let's say, a proven platform.
1:12:35SPEAKER- More, maybe more stable, yeah.
1:12:37SPEAKER- This is in forward ship.
1:12:40SPEAKERPeople have probably seen some of the news there.
1:12:44SPEAKERSo I'm running a lot of hardware monitoring right now.
1:12:46SPEAKERHW info, hardware info still seems to be
1:12:48SPEAKERthe gold standard there.
1:12:50SPEAKERIt reads every sensor under the sun.
1:12:52SPEAKERSo you can pay attention to all of your temperatures
1:12:55SPEAKERand voltages if that's something you need to do.
1:12:58SPEAKER- That sounds fun.
1:12:59SPEAKERThat's the thing I would rather not have to do.
1:13:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but it was nice to have because then I was able to,
1:13:03SPEAKERI set up alerts on the SOC voltage,
1:13:06SPEAKERwhich is what has been killing these new risons.
1:13:09SPEAKER- Oh.
1:13:11SPEAKER- And BIOS alerts.
1:13:13SPEAKER- Do the alerts just alert you
1:13:14SPEAKERor do they actually clock things down?
1:13:16SPEAKER- No, they're just alerts as far as I know.
1:13:19SPEAKERI don't think hardware info can control stuff like that.
1:13:24SPEAKERI could be wrong, but BIOS fixes are getting rushed out
1:13:28SPEAKERday by day for these platforms
1:13:30SPEAKERand some of them are still pretty dubious.
1:13:32SPEAKERSo it was nice to be able to set thresholds
1:13:35SPEAKERon those voltages and just say,
1:13:36SPEAKERhey, please freak out if this voltage goes
1:13:39SPEAKERover this threshold and let me know.
1:13:42SPEAKERWhat else?
1:13:43SPEAKERHave you heard of latency, Mon?
1:13:46SPEAKER- No, what is that?
1:13:47SPEAKER- So I became aware of it the other day
1:13:49SPEAKERand then I searched on the Discord
1:13:50SPEAKERand some of the people on there who are like heavy
1:13:53SPEAKERinto AV production stuff seem to endorse it pretty heavily.
1:13:56SPEAKERIt's older, but it essentially attracts all causes
1:14:01SPEAKERof latency in a Windows system, essentially
1:14:03SPEAKERat a very low, like at the kernel level, essentially.
1:14:06SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
1:14:07SPEAKER- I don't remember all the terminology,
1:14:09SPEAKERbut like DPC and ISR, I think are the terms.
1:14:15SPEAKERThey have a decent explainer on their site
1:14:16SPEAKERif you care about such things.
1:14:18SPEAKER- I'm gonna go grab that right now.
1:14:20SPEAKERThat's very cool.
1:14:21SPEAKER- You let it run for a while and it will tell you like,
1:14:23SPEAKERhey, this is the driver or the process
1:14:26SPEAKERthat is taking the longest to respond
1:14:28SPEAKERor that is taking up the most kind of kernel time
1:14:30SPEAKERthat might be.
1:14:31SPEAKER- The point is those things might be throwing off things
1:14:33SPEAKERlike audio recording or video.
1:14:35SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
1:14:36SPEAKER- Things that need to happen in real time.
1:14:37SPEAKERLike if you're getting interruptions or dropouts,
1:14:39SPEAKERpops, clicks, whatever there,
1:14:42SPEAKERthis is supposed to help you identify what in your system
1:14:44SPEAKERis causing stuff like that.
1:14:47SPEAKERSo I just started using it.
1:14:48SPEAKERI have not really figured out how to interpret the results
1:14:53SPEAKERsuper well yet, but that seems quite useful.
1:14:56SPEAKER- Huh, what else you got?
1:14:59SPEAKER- There's OCCT, which I have not installed yet,
1:15:01SPEAKERbut that's apparently kind of what people like
1:15:03SPEAKERfor testing memory stability.
1:15:06SPEAKER- That's the successor to memtest and all those?
1:15:11SPEAKER- I don't know if it's quite the same category
1:15:15SPEAKERas like memtest 86, if that's what you mean.
1:15:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:15:18SPEAKER- This runs in Windows and it is,
1:15:20SPEAKERI think it's more Windows centric.
1:15:23SPEAKERI'm kind of, I'm not sure I can qualify that statement,
1:15:26SPEAKERbut like the types of errors it's looking for
1:15:28SPEAKERare more Windows type errors, I think,
1:15:31SPEAKERrather than low level testing of just reading
1:15:33SPEAKERand writing to the memory.
1:15:35SPEAKER- Cool.
1:15:36SPEAKER- Anyway, like with DDR5 still being new
1:15:38SPEAKERand a little suspect at times,
1:15:42SPEAKERthat seems pretty useful to have.
1:15:44SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say I've been doing,
1:15:47SPEAKERI've been undervolting a little bit lately
1:15:50SPEAKERand having something that would let me do
1:15:53SPEAKERa good stress test that I don't have to boot
1:15:56SPEAKERout of Windows for would be really useful.
1:15:58SPEAKERSo I'm going to grab that right now.
1:16:00SPEAKER- Yeah, the name again is OCCT, you can just Google it,
1:16:03SPEAKERbut that is exactly what people use it for is like,
1:16:05SPEAKERhey, can I set the voltage down a little bit on my CPU
1:16:08SPEAKERand still have memory stability?
1:16:09SPEAKERThat's the use case for that, so.
1:16:14SPEAKERI guess last thing I'll mention, like I grabbed Prime95
1:16:17SPEAKERand it didn't even max out my CPU in any fashion.
1:16:21SPEAKER- I'm not sure why. - I'm not sure why.
1:16:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I set it to the kind of maximal, like go hard
1:16:26SPEAKERon this thing, like I don't, maybe it's just not updated
1:16:28SPEAKERfor newer architectures.
1:16:30SPEAKER- Well, was it, so it made me hit the thermal limit
1:16:33SPEAKERin like two seconds.
1:16:34SPEAKER- Interesting, I don't know why it's, maybe it's just didn't,
1:16:37SPEAKERit's just not aware of the architecture on these risings
1:16:40SPEAKERenough to utilize it properly or something.
1:16:43SPEAKERI don't know, it was only bumping load up to like 60, 70%
1:16:46SPEAKERand I wasn't getting anywhere near maximum temperatures.
1:16:49SPEAKER- Yeah, that's weird, I'm, so when I ran that,
1:16:52SPEAKERI hit the wattage limit and then the temperature limit
1:16:56SPEAKERreally quickly after each other.
1:16:57SPEAKER- Huh, I'll keep an eye on it,
1:16:59SPEAKERmaybe it just needs to be updated.
1:17:00SPEAKER- So I, on that front, I've been using the,
1:17:03SPEAKERIntel provides this thing called the Extreme Tuning Utility
1:17:06SPEAKERthat's designed for overclocking.
1:17:08SPEAKERYou can also use it to undervolt and stuff like that.
1:17:12SPEAKERIt runs in the system and I assume it talks to the MEI,
1:17:17SPEAKERbut I don't know for sure.
1:17:21SPEAKERIt only lasts till the next reboot.
1:17:23SPEAKERSo if you do something that makes your system unstable,
1:17:25SPEAKERit's a nice way to test overclocking or undervolting
1:17:29SPEAKERto see if you're stable in a way that's pretty foolproof.
1:17:33SPEAKER'Cause if you bomb out, it'll just revert to stock clocks
1:17:37SPEAKERwhen you come back, which is nice.
1:17:42SPEAKER- Undervolting is the new overclocking.
1:17:44SPEAKER- The thing I read about, the thing, yeah, I mean, it's,
1:17:47SPEAKERlook, it makes my office cooler.
1:17:50SPEAKERThe thing I've read about to Prime95 is that
1:17:52SPEAKERpeople are feeling like it's not a realistic test
1:17:55SPEAKERon the newer processor designs that are,
1:17:59SPEAKERthat have the different kind of caches.
1:18:01SPEAKERAnd the modern processor design is not,
1:18:04SPEAKERbasically it's only, all you're testing is
1:18:06SPEAKERif it can run Prime95, not if it's gonna be good workloads.
1:18:10SPEAKER'Cause it's hitting harder than stuff generally does now.
1:18:14SPEAKER- That kind of makes sense.
1:18:15SPEAKERI see you've written kind of like
1:18:17SPEAKERthe FurMark situation here,
1:18:18SPEAKERwhich I did run FurMark on this 4090
1:18:21SPEAKERbefore I then later found people saying similar thing,
1:18:25SPEAKERlike the way FurMark works is not really applicable
1:18:28SPEAKERto modern GPUs as much.
1:18:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
1:18:31SPEAKERSo I guess that brings us to the end, huh?
1:18:33SPEAKER- Yeah, pretty much.
1:18:35SPEAKERUnless you want to get into all the USB audio video issues
1:18:39SPEAKERI'm having, but maybe we'll save that for later.
1:18:41SPEAKERMaybe that's a patron episode.
1:18:42SPEAKER- That's a patron episode.
1:18:42SPEAKERThat feels like a patron episode to me.
1:18:44SPEAKERThe USB audio video stuff.
1:18:49SPEAKERSo as an update on my machine,
1:18:51SPEAKERthe Kraken that was disconnecting and reconnecting,
1:18:53SPEAKERI have mostly fixed by putting a USB hub
1:18:56SPEAKERin between the Kraken and the USB header.
1:19:02SPEAKERIt still occasionally does weird shit.
1:19:05SPEAKERAnd then I don't exactly understand what the cause is.
1:19:08SPEAKERI'm continuing to work on it though.
1:19:10SPEAKERI talked to Adam about it and I might come back over
1:19:12SPEAKERand walk them through what I've done
1:19:14SPEAKERand what's changed and what's working
1:19:19SPEAKERat some point in the not too distant future.
1:19:21SPEAKERBut yeah, computers are weird, man.
1:19:25SPEAKER- They sure are.
1:19:26SPEAKERI mean, you have camera and audio interface
1:19:30SPEAKERrunning into the gaming machine
1:19:31SPEAKERor is that going straight into your stream PC?
1:19:33SPEAKER- I have camera and audio interface
1:19:34SPEAKERgoing into the gaming machine
1:19:37SPEAKERbecause the camera that I use for work meetings
1:19:39SPEAKERand stuff like that is hooked up to the gaming machine.
1:19:43SPEAKERThe audio interface that's plugged into this computer
1:19:45SPEAKERis the Motu and then the streaming machine
1:19:47SPEAKERhas a big Behringer mixer, digital mixer plugged into it.
1:19:52SPEAKER- Okay. - Which was flawless.
1:19:54SPEAKER- Okay.
1:19:54SPEAKERWell, rather than getting into the esoteric problems
1:19:56SPEAKERI am having, I'm just going to ask,
1:19:58SPEAKERare the camera and audio input working
1:20:01SPEAKERjust fine on that machine?
1:20:02SPEAKER- Beautifully, yeah.
1:20:03SPEAKER- Okay, good to know.
1:20:05SPEAKERI will keep that in mind.
1:20:06SPEAKER- Well, hold on, it's an Elgato face cam.
1:20:12SPEAKERWhen I do a cold reboot, I have to unplug and replug
1:20:15SPEAKERthe face cam for it to show up in Windows.
1:20:19SPEAKERNo idea why.
1:20:20SPEAKER- Okay, that's, you know what, that--
1:20:22SPEAKER- I reboot infrequently enough that it's not really an issue.
1:20:25SPEAKER- Compared to some of the stuff I'm running into
1:20:27SPEAKERthat is just fine.
1:20:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna say pretty minor.
1:20:33SPEAKERBut yeah, I guess that'll do it for us this week.
1:20:34SPEAKERI'd love to hear what you all do on your new computers.
1:20:39SPEAKERI think that's really useful if you want to send it
1:20:41SPEAKERto techpod@content.town or if you're in the Discord,
1:20:44SPEAKERyou can just post it in this week's episode channel
1:20:48SPEAKERand we'll maybe collect the best of them
1:20:50SPEAKERand we'll either run down them at the end of the month
1:20:52SPEAKERor put them on the Patreon episode
1:20:53SPEAKER'cause I think people would probably like that.
1:20:55SPEAKER- Yeah, everybody loves tips to make computers work better
1:20:57SPEAKER'cause sometimes they need a helping hand.
1:20:59SPEAKER- Yeah, the thing that I've learned having,
1:21:02SPEAKERyou know, I've been doing these kinds of stories for 20 years
1:21:05SPEAKERand change now.
1:21:06SPEAKEREvery time I do one, people are like,
1:21:08SPEAKERoh man, I got this thing that I do.
1:21:09SPEAKERI'm like, wow, my mind is literally blown.
1:21:12SPEAKERSo there's always some stuff
1:21:15SPEAKERthat you've never heard of before in these
1:21:17SPEAKERand we'll collect the best ones
1:21:19SPEAKERand make another episode somewhere.
1:21:21SPEAKER- For whatever reason, I feel like I'm seeing a lot of people
1:21:24SPEAKERon the Discord building new machines lately.
1:21:26SPEAKER- It's the right time.
1:21:27SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:21:28SPEAKER- Like the hardware's out.
1:21:30SPEAKERLike we've been through this drought for three years
1:21:32SPEAKERwhere it's hard to get video cards or CPUs or motherboards
1:21:38SPEAKERor power supplies or whatever it happened to be.
1:21:40SPEAKERAnd like memory prices are going way down.
1:21:42SPEAKERLike it's a good time to build a machine right now.
1:21:45SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
1:21:46SPEAKERYou know, last thing I'll say before we move on,
1:21:49SPEAKERI think I have fully embraced the value
1:21:51SPEAKERof maybe not necessarily buying the last gen hardware,
1:21:56SPEAKERbut at least maybe buying toward the end
1:21:59SPEAKERof the current generation, once the BIOSes are stable
1:22:02SPEAKERand any production like manufacturing issues
1:22:04SPEAKERhave been ironed out.
1:22:05SPEAKER- So this is, it's funny, at Maximum PC,
1:22:09SPEAKERpeople had two frames of mind about that.
1:22:12SPEAKEROne was that the hardware was disposable
1:22:14SPEAKERand they would just constantly be upgrading
1:22:15SPEAKERand if it was unstable, then it was fine.
1:22:19SPEAKERBut as I got older and I was using my computer
1:22:22SPEAKERfor more work stuff that was important
1:22:24SPEAKERand I couldn't like delay, I began to value,
1:22:28SPEAKERhey, I want whatever my main computer is
1:22:30SPEAKERto be absolutely bulletproof and just,
1:22:33SPEAKERI wanna not have to like,
1:22:34SPEAKERI love fucking with it when I have time,
1:22:36SPEAKERbut I don't wanna have to fuck with it to get work.
1:22:39SPEAKERI don't wanna have a period of fuckery
1:22:40SPEAKERto get to the point that I can do work
1:22:42SPEAKERand that never feels good.
1:22:44SPEAKER- Yeah, like that idea of like,
1:22:46SPEAKERwho cares if it's got stability issues,
1:22:48SPEAKERit'll get upgraded soon and who cares is kind of,
1:22:51SPEAKERto me, that's kind of the luxury
1:22:53SPEAKERof only playing video games on your computer
1:22:54SPEAKERand not needing to do a ton of work with it.
1:22:56SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny because that was the change.
1:22:58SPEAKERIt was when I wrote the book and I was doing
1:23:00SPEAKERthat work mostly at home on the desktop PC
1:23:03SPEAKERand I couldn't, like I would lose a night.
1:23:08SPEAKERIf I lost a night to writing,
1:23:09SPEAKERI would then have to do two days worth of work
1:23:11SPEAKERon the weekend instead of one day worth
1:23:13SPEAKERof work on the weekend.
1:23:15SPEAKERSo anyway.
1:23:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I think probably from this point forward,
1:23:18SPEAKERI will not buy into a new socket
1:23:20SPEAKERand I will probably wait until close to the release
1:23:24SPEAKERof the next generation to buy into a current one.
1:23:28SPEAKER- I, having bought into the last few new kinds of memory,
1:23:32SPEAKERthere's downs, like you know that that memory
1:23:35SPEAKERisn't gonna last as long as it would
1:23:37SPEAKERif you bought it three years into the production
1:23:38SPEAKERor four years into the production
1:23:39SPEAKERof that new process, whatever.
1:23:41SPEAKERBut anyway, as always, if you'd like to get
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1:23:58SPEAKERWe're in there hanging out.
1:24:00SPEAKERI spent last weekend talking about Eurovision
1:24:02SPEAKERwith people watching Eurovision and Eurovision's great.
1:24:06SPEAKERI just wanna say, it's like, I love Eurovision.
1:24:08SPEAKERI wish we were part of Eurovision.
1:24:10SPEAKERThey let worldwide viewers vote this year
1:24:13SPEAKERfor the first time. - Did they?
1:24:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't bother, but I could have.
1:24:17SPEAKERThe option was there.
1:24:18SPEAKER- Who won?
1:24:20SPEAKER- Look, as always, it's a little controversial.
1:24:24SPEAKERSweden, lovely heartfelt performance, great song.
1:24:28SPEAKERThe young woman definitely did a good song.
1:24:32SPEAKERThe Finland guy fucking brought it.
1:24:35SPEAKERFinland and Croatia, Finland and Croatia
1:24:37SPEAKERknow what people come to Eurovision for
1:24:40SPEAKERand they were clear fan favorites.
1:24:42SPEAKER- Even basically having paid no attention
1:24:44SPEAKERto Eurovision this year, I know exactly
1:24:46SPEAKERwhat the Finland act looked like.
1:24:48SPEAKERI didn't watch a video to hear it,
1:24:50SPEAKERbut I can call the singer to mind right now.
1:24:53SPEAKERThat was everywhere. - The song ripped.
1:24:54SPEAKERThe song was real good.
1:24:56SPEAKERIt was very, like, we're talking about a song competition
1:25:02SPEAKERif people don't know, like it feeds up,
1:25:05SPEAKERlike the individual member states
1:25:07SPEAKERof the European Broadcasting Union or whatever it is,
1:25:11SPEAKERcontribute, they run local competitions.
1:25:14SPEAKERThe winners of those local countrywide competitions
1:25:17SPEAKERall go up to Eurovision and there's like
1:25:19SPEAKERa multi-week three-stage tournament or something
1:25:21SPEAKERto determine who the winner is.
1:25:24SPEAKERYou can't vote, there's two types of voting.
1:25:27SPEAKERThere's like panels that vote,
1:25:28SPEAKERwhich is where all the drama happens,
1:25:30SPEAKERand then there's also phone-in, like app-based voting
1:25:34SPEAKERfor people who are viewing along at home.
1:25:37SPEAKERYou can't vote, if you're in Great Britain,
1:25:39SPEAKERyou can't vote for the British act.
1:25:41SPEAKERYou can only vote for other countries.
1:25:44SPEAKERSo it's not like, it's about building a collective.
1:25:48SPEAKER- Sure.
1:25:49SPEAKER- Literally, Will Ferrell, there's a Will Ferrell,
1:25:55SPEAKERoh God, I can't believe I'm blanking on her name.
1:25:57SPEAKERIt's the woman from, she played Regina George on Mean Girls.
1:26:02SPEAKER- Oh, that's not Rachel McAdams, is it?
1:26:05SPEAKER- Rachel McAdams, thank you.
1:26:08SPEAKERThere's a movie with them where they play a Eurovision act.
1:26:13SPEAKER- No kidding.
1:26:14SPEAKER- Oh, it's fantastic, it's on Netflix.
1:26:16SPEAKER- Like they call it Eurovision?
1:26:17SPEAKER- It's called Eurovision, the legend of whatever
1:26:19SPEAKERthe name of their band.
1:26:21SPEAKERAnd like, it is, even with an actual parody movie
1:26:26SPEAKERbeing made about it, like that movie is not really a parody,
1:26:29SPEAKERit's really a love letter to how fucking delightful
1:26:32SPEAKERand weird Eurovision is.
1:26:34SPEAKER- How have I never heard of it?
1:26:36SPEAKER- The name of the movie is Eurovision Song Contest,
1:26:39SPEAKERThe Story of Fire Saga.
1:26:40SPEAKER- Yeah, Fire Saga is the name of their band.
1:26:42SPEAKER- I've never heard of this.
1:26:43SPEAKER- It's a very stupid movie, it's very good.
1:26:45SPEAKERIt accurately captures the things that I like
1:26:50SPEAKERabout Eurovision at a really high level,
1:26:53SPEAKERwhile also being a stupid, yeah, anyway,
1:26:56SPEAKERI think Rachel McAdams is spectacularly funny.
1:26:58SPEAKERAnyway, the point is, we talked about Eurovision
1:27:02SPEAKERlast week on the Discord, people just hang out.
1:27:04SPEAKERIt's a nice place to hang out.
1:27:05SPEAKER- Yeah, people just like to hang out and talk.
1:27:08SPEAKER- And as we do every week, we thank our executive producer
1:27:11SPEAKERhere at Patrons, including Nick Johnston,
1:27:13SPEAKERPaddle Creek Games, Makers of Fractured Veil,
1:27:16SPEAKERAndrew Slosky, Brad's mid-size hoodoo voodoo,
1:27:19SPEAKERLacking Inspiration, Dash, Octothorpe, Bunny Crimes,
1:27:24SPEAKERJust Wedge, Joel Krauska, Twinkie Says Mike B.
1:27:27SPEAKERIs the Jif Lord, David Allen, and James Kamik.
1:27:30SPEAKERThank you all so much.
1:27:31SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.
1:27:32SPEAKER- And thanks everybody for supporting the show.
1:27:33SPEAKERWe do appreciate you.
1:27:34SPEAKER- Yes, yes we do.
1:27:36SPEAKER- And we will be back.
1:27:37SPEAKERThis is a long ass podcast, Brad.
1:27:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:27:40SPEAKER- Should probably wrap it up, huh?
1:27:40SPEAKER- Yeah, probably.
1:27:41SPEAKERI mean, I could've sat here for another hour
1:27:43SPEAKERtalking about windows.
1:27:46SPEAKER- Everybody loves windows.
1:27:47SPEAKERSee y'all next week, everybody.
1:27:48SPEAKERBye.
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