00:00SPEAKER- There is a new enemy.
00:03SPEAKER- Well, that's ominous.
00:04SPEAKER- Acoustics.
00:06SPEAKER- Oh, no.
00:07SPEAKERPlease tell me you're getting into guitars.
00:08SPEAKER- No, no, no, no.
00:10SPEAKER- Oh.
00:11SPEAKER- I'm not soldering any effects pedals over here just yet.
00:14SPEAKER- Well, I was hoping you were into acoustic guitars.
00:16SPEAKERYou wouldn't be soldering effects pedals for that.
00:18SPEAKER- Look, I have a couple of acoustic guitars.
00:19SPEAKERThey have their place.
00:20SPEAKER- Okay, okay.
00:21SPEAKER- Okay, probably most everybody listening knows
00:24SPEAKERI'm on a new PC at this point,
00:26SPEAKERbut for a variety of reasons that I've only,
00:29SPEAKERokay, I'm on day six, day five, day six
00:32SPEAKERof actually like using it as my PC, my main,
00:37SPEAKERmy daily driver.
00:38SPEAKER- You doing like streams from it and stuff?
00:39SPEAKERYou playing?
00:40SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I'm fully, just for various reasons.
00:42SPEAKERI had to replace the case
00:43SPEAKERand I was doing some benchmarking and general testing
00:47SPEAKERand XYZ, I didn't want to interrupt my workflow
00:50SPEAKERby swapping PCs midweek.
00:53SPEAKERI didn't actually like fully move all the hardware over
00:56SPEAKERand install a good permanent Windows install and stuff
00:58SPEAKERuntil last Sunday, so I'm only,
01:00SPEAKERI'm only a few days into like ironing out issues
01:02SPEAKERand actually daily driving it.
01:04SPEAKER- But you have played like "Son of the Forest."
01:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I've been playing games on it.
01:08SPEAKER- Playing the video games.
01:08SPEAKER- Streaming from it, all kinds of stuff.
01:10SPEAKERBut there are a couple of hilarious acoustics issues.
01:14SPEAKER- Oh no.
01:15SPEAKER- That I've never really had to deal with before.
01:17SPEAKER- So the cavernous reverb of your cooler
01:19SPEAKERbecause of the size of that enormous case.
01:21SPEAKER- So the exhaust fan, when it hits, this is bizarre,
01:25SPEAKERwhen it hits a very specific speed,
01:27SPEAKERit can't be more than about a hundred RPM.
01:29SPEAKER- Yeah.
01:30SPEAKER- Plus or minus, it's somewhere around 1200 RPM.
01:33SPEAKERIt just starts making this droning sound.
01:36SPEAKERLike I can't, I couldn't even verbally replicate it.
01:38SPEAKERIt is just a high pitched hum.
01:41SPEAKERAnd like, if I hold my hand in front of the exhaust,
01:43SPEAKERit stops.
01:44SPEAKERLike I literally, it seems like just like diverting
01:46SPEAKERsome of the airflow stops it.
01:49SPEAKERAnd then also on the CPU cooler, the front fan,
01:53SPEAKERnot the main one, but the sort of optional one
01:55SPEAKERthat goes on the front of that cooler.
01:57SPEAKER- Yeah.
01:58SPEAKER- When it also hits a very specific RPM,
01:59SPEAKERit sounds like a biplane.
02:01SPEAKERSo it's like a classic 1920s, like.
02:05SPEAKER- You, this is a fan control problem, right?
02:09SPEAKER- That's literally it is I think I'm gonna have to like,
02:12SPEAKERyou tell me, I think I'm gonna have to literally look
02:15SPEAKERat the fan curves and just find a place
02:16SPEAKERwhere I go straight vertical.
02:18SPEAKERLike the second that it's going to hit
02:19SPEAKERone of those weird RPM windows,
02:21SPEAKERI need to just like make it go up another hundred RPM.
02:24SPEAKER- I also might grab those rubber,
02:26SPEAKERthose rubber stoppers that they ship with those fans.
02:30SPEAKER- I might give that a try,
02:32SPEAKERbut it really seems like it is an airflow thing.
02:34SPEAKERLike it is just.
02:35SPEAKER- And you're sure it's the back fans, not the front red?
02:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I've tested like manually stopping fans
02:41SPEAKERto figure out which ones are doing it.
02:42SPEAKERBut again, it's not a vibrating or buzzing thing.
02:45SPEAKERIt is literally like, I think that way aerodynamically,
02:48SPEAKERthe way the air is flowing over stuff,
02:50SPEAKERI think is what's causing this.
02:51SPEAKER- Huh.
02:52SPEAKER- I think I just need to make those two fans
02:55SPEAKERjust never need to go these very specific speeds.
02:58SPEAKERSo I've got to like,
02:59SPEAKERI've got to get like real creative with the fan curves.
03:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say with as many fans
03:02SPEAKERas you have on the front,
03:04SPEAKERyou probably can get away with not ever spinning up
03:07SPEAKERthat exhaust fan all the way.
03:08SPEAKER- Really?
03:09SPEAKER- Like that exhaust fan like should be,
03:12SPEAKERif you have to spin it up to a hundred percent,
03:14SPEAKERlike shit should be on fire inside your case.
03:16SPEAKER- Yeah, also to be clear, I haven't even touched fan curves.
03:18SPEAKERThis is literally whatever
03:19SPEAKERthe default motherboard profile is.
03:21SPEAKERSo I just literally have done zero work
03:23SPEAKERon actually tweaking fans.
03:25SPEAKER- So go to getfancontrol.com.
03:27SPEAKER- So I've got that running.
03:28SPEAKERI've actually, I've got fan control.
03:30SPEAKERI just haven't done the stuff yet,
03:32SPEAKERbut I just think it's hilarious.
03:33SPEAKERIt's like, I think it's like right around 1200 RPM
03:36SPEAKERon that exhaust fan when the hum kicks in.
03:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I can't imagine you'll ever run that thing
03:40SPEAKERat 1200 RPMs.
03:42SPEAKERWhat's the top speed on those 1500?
03:44SPEAKER- I think it tops out at 15, they're 140 millimeter.
03:47SPEAKER- Well, like the whole point of putting a big giant,
03:49SPEAKERthree big giant fans on the front of your case.
03:52SPEAKERI mean, making positive pressure inside
03:53SPEAKERthat enormous case is gonna be impossible, right?
03:55SPEAKER'Cause it's too big and there's too many holes.
03:57SPEAKER- I thought that, I just assumed the exhaust fan
03:59SPEAKERneeded to go pretty fast 'cause there's only one of them.
04:01SPEAKER- Well, no, 'cause it's gonna blow,
04:03SPEAKERyou're gonna blow a lot of air in
04:05SPEAKERand all the excess air is gonna blow out the sides.
04:07SPEAKERSo that exhaust fan is just to keep air moving.
04:10SPEAKERLike it's to keep the exhaust,
04:12SPEAKERwell, you're using an air cooler.
04:14SPEAKERSo it's to keep the exhaust from the air cooler moving
04:16SPEAKERand it's to keep air moving over the VRMs and stuff
04:19SPEAKERaround the fan.
04:20SPEAKERBut since you have the CPU cooler, that does that too, right?
04:23SPEAKERLike you're, like in my situation,
04:26SPEAKER'cause I have a water cooler and an all-in-one block,
04:28SPEAKERI have to have an active fan blowing on those
04:31SPEAKERor else they get too hot.
04:34SPEAKERSo yeah, it's a weird, I mean,
04:37SPEAKERyou're gonna get in fan control
04:39SPEAKERand you're gonna spend like five minutes
04:40SPEAKERand it's gonna be about 80% better.
04:42SPEAKERAnd then you can noodle with those curves
04:44SPEAKERand just bypass the specific frequencies that are a problem.
04:47SPEAKER- Considering both of those fans are not super essential,
04:49SPEAKERactually might just lock them at a speed
04:51SPEAKERand not worry about it.
04:53SPEAKER- You could do that too.
04:54SPEAKERI mean, I, so I, my general rule is for stuff like that,
05:00SPEAKERI keep the curve totally flat
05:02SPEAKERat whatever speed I want it to run.
05:04SPEAKERAnd then when he gets up to like a temperature
05:05SPEAKERthat seems like it's approaching scary, I spin it up.
05:08SPEAKER- Oh, that's a good idea.
05:09SPEAKER- Which also, like that gives me the warning,
05:12SPEAKERlike the audible warning that something's not quite right.
05:14SPEAKER- Doing the fan control setup
05:16SPEAKERwhere like the way the fan control auto detects ranges
05:19SPEAKERis by spinning things up to a hundred and then zero.
05:22SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:23SPEAKER- And not knowing what the motherboard alarm sounded like
05:25SPEAKERfor, hey, the CPU fan is not working,
05:28SPEAKERwas a, I don't know what it's like on your board.
05:31SPEAKERThat was a fun wake up call of like,
05:33SPEAKERwow, there's an interesting sound coming out of there.
05:35SPEAKERAnd it's just because it had stopped the CPU fan
05:37SPEAKERand that was some kind of fail safe alarm.
05:39SPEAKER- Yeah, mine, I have to turn that alarm off
05:41SPEAKER'cause I have the water cooling thing.
05:43SPEAKERSo it's a little different setup.
05:46SPEAKERBut yeah, so do that and see what it is.
05:50SPEAKERPay attention to the hysteresis
05:52SPEAKERbecause that's what controls how quickly it responds.
05:58SPEAKER- Sure.
05:59SPEAKER- So that'll make it bypass those.
06:01SPEAKERThat'll help, like you may not have to make the steep curve
06:04SPEAKER'cause if you set the hysteresis right,
06:06SPEAKERit may not even be a problem.
06:08SPEAKERWe got straight into content here today.
06:10SPEAKER- Here's an alternative strategy.
06:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
06:12SPEAKER- What if instead of thinking that that CPU fan
06:14SPEAKERsounds like a biplane,
06:16SPEAKERI convinced myself it sounds like a motorcycle.
06:19SPEAKER- Biplanes are cool too, man.
06:20SPEAKER- Okay, well, it's just some kind of badass engine
06:23SPEAKERand they're revving up, man.
06:24SPEAKERThis thing is so powerful, it's like, rah, rah, rah.
06:27SPEAKER- Oh man, the future of cool engines is humming.
06:30SPEAKER(humming)
06:35SPEAKERI could do this for like 10 minutes.
06:37SPEAKERThis is a cold open right here.
06:38SPEAKER(upbeat music)
07:06SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."
07:09SPEAKERI'm Will.
07:09SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
07:10SPEAKER- Brad, it's my favorite episode of the month.
07:13SPEAKER- Is it?
07:14SPEAKER- It's time to answer the emails.
07:16SPEAKERIt's time to turn the questions
07:18SPEAKERthat are seeking answers into answers.
07:21SPEAKER- We're gonna apply our patented scientific formula.
07:24SPEAKER- Do we have a patented scientific formula?
07:25SPEAKER- Original recipe.
07:27SPEAKER- Does that mean, wait, that would mean we're eligible
07:29SPEAKERfor a research credit, research and development credit
07:31SPEAKERif we have a patented scientific formula.
07:33SPEAKERThat's exciting, tax credits are very exciting to me.
07:36SPEAKERThis time of year, I don't know why.
07:38SPEAKER- We're gonna fry up some original recipe
07:39SPEAKERand extra crispy answers over here.
07:41SPEAKER- Oh man, okay, we ordered some KFC the other day.
07:43SPEAKER- Wait, really?
07:44SPEAKER- Yeah, we went and got, it was like a nice,
07:46SPEAKERit was that first, you know that first like spring afternoon
07:50SPEAKERand it's nice out and you're like.
07:51SPEAKER- Ah, the first chicken bucket of spring.
07:53SPEAKER- Oh man, I could go for some fried chicken
07:55SPEAKERand I was gonna try to go pick it up at Popeyes,
07:58SPEAKERbut there's no drive through at Popeyes.
08:00SPEAKERAnd I'll tell you, the Popeyes near me is in a place
08:05SPEAKERwhere you have to, parking is a challenge.
08:07SPEAKERLike you usually have to park and walk
08:08SPEAKERfrom like a different parking lot across a busy street.
08:11SPEAKERAnd I didn't wanna die for fried,
08:13SPEAKERI mean, look, I'm eating fried chicken.
08:14SPEAKERIt's not something you do
08:15SPEAKERif you wanna live a long, healthy life.
08:17SPEAKER- Fair.
08:18SPEAKER- But I didn't wanna die
08:20SPEAKERwith the bucket of fried chicken in my hand.
08:22SPEAKERSo I went to KFC.
08:25SPEAKER- Some people might argue there's no better way to go,
08:27SPEAKERbut you know.
08:28SPEAKER- Look, we can't all be Vinny Caravellas, Brad.
08:31SPEAKER- But yeah, it was, like you ordered the bucket online now
08:37SPEAKERand then go pick it up in the,
08:38SPEAKERthen they have it waiting for you when you get there,
08:40SPEAKERlike a little Caesar's hot and ready.
08:42SPEAKERAnd I'm gonna tell you, fried chicken, pretty tasty.
08:45SPEAKER- Yeah.
08:46SPEAKER- Felt real bad the next day.
08:47SPEAKERIt was like I had a chicken hangover.
08:49SPEAKER- That will happen, that will happen.
08:51SPEAKERThe older I get, the more like,
08:53SPEAKERthe more I really have to weigh the like,
08:56SPEAKERhow much do I want to enjoy this indulgence
08:58SPEAKERversus how much do I wanna pay for it later?
08:59SPEAKERWhether it's like, whether it's drinking or eating bad food
09:02SPEAKERor literally anything.
09:03SPEAKERIt's like, maybe I should just work out every day
09:06SPEAKERand eat salads all the time from now on.
09:09SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it's like, I make my choices.
09:12SPEAKERYou know, there's that study.
09:13SPEAKERThere's a weird study that nobody understands why it exists,
09:17SPEAKERbut apparently men who eat two servings of ice cream a week
09:21SPEAKERtend to have a reduced chance of like diabetes
09:24SPEAKERand heart disease and three other things
09:26SPEAKERthat do not go in line with the,
09:28SPEAKERlike somebody found this, it's like a correlation.
09:32SPEAKERIt's a longitudinal study over a long period of time.
09:37SPEAKERAnd somebody found it in their,
09:39SPEAKERput together this result as part of their thesis.
09:43SPEAKERAnd they got rejected and they were like,
09:44SPEAKERhey, go back and do more work on this
09:46SPEAKER'cause this can't possibly be right.
09:47SPEAKERAnd they were like, man, the math is right on this.
09:49SPEAKERIf you eat two bowls of ice cream a week,
09:51SPEAKERyou're more likely to live,
09:54SPEAKERyou're more likely to not have these specific diseases.
09:57SPEAKERSo of course all of those things are kind of bullshit, but.
10:01SPEAKER- You know what I would love to see as a long-term project
10:04SPEAKERis for somebody to collate every sort of
10:08SPEAKERstudy-based recommendation for health practices
10:10SPEAKERinto one giant matrix.
10:12SPEAKERJust like, I wanna see like, okay, how many eggs a day?
10:16SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:17SPEAKER- This ice cream twice a week thing.
10:20SPEAKERI don't know if people are putting coconut oil
10:21SPEAKERin their coffee now, you know what I mean?
10:23SPEAKERThere's so many things out there.
10:24SPEAKER- How many glasses of wine a week
10:26SPEAKERshould you drink for maximum heart health
10:27SPEAKERand maximum liver health, like where's the line?
10:30SPEAKER- Somebody deliver me the unlikely diet plan
10:33SPEAKERthat's going to make me live the longest
10:35SPEAKERthat I just, I wanna know.
10:37SPEAKER- Look, I don't want that one.
10:38SPEAKERI want the one that's gonna make me feel the best.
10:40SPEAKER- Okay, sure.
10:42SPEAKER- While I, yeah, the least human suffering possible.
10:46SPEAKER- More valuable, sure.
10:48SPEAKERWell, hey, let's go from asking for recommendations
10:50SPEAKERto giving some, what do you say?
10:52SPEAKER- Yeah, you can send your emails
10:54SPEAKERinto techpod@content.town.
10:56SPEAKEROr if you're in the Discord, if you're a patron,
10:59SPEAKERwhich you can sign up for at patreon.com/techpod,
11:02SPEAKERyou can go into the Cues Seeking A's channel
11:05SPEAKERand post a question into the void.
11:07SPEAKERIt'll stay up for a second or two
11:08SPEAKERif people are in the channel and then it'll go away
11:10SPEAKERand we'll see it at the end of the month
11:11SPEAKERwhen it's time for us to answer Cues.
11:13SPEAKER- Yeah, it's true.
11:14SPEAKER- What you got, Brad?
11:16SPEAKER- Shall we start with the emails?
11:18SPEAKER- An electronic mail, eh?
11:19SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.
11:20SPEAKER- Hmm.
11:21SPEAKER- How about I pull two emails?
11:23SPEAKER- What, it's unprecedented.
11:25SPEAKER- Two emails for the price of one here,
11:26SPEAKER'cause they're both kind of related,
11:28SPEAKERso I'll just read them both
11:29SPEAKERand then maybe we can address them efficiently.
11:34SPEAKERHere's an email from Scott in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
11:37SPEAKERI feel like I remember Will talking in the past
11:39SPEAKERabout using his phone to 3D scan a real world object
11:43SPEAKERso he can import it into 3D modeling software
11:45SPEAKERto tweak before he then 3D prints a modified object.
11:49SPEAKERWould you be able to go into this workflow a bit
11:51SPEAKERwith suggested apps or programs to use?
11:54SPEAKERI have an iPad Pro with the LIDAR camera
11:55SPEAKERand I'm currently looking to make a modified version
11:58SPEAKERof a bike-like mounting plate.
12:02SPEAKERBoy, this is a tough one.
12:03SPEAKERA bike-light mounting plate.
12:05SPEAKER- Okay.
12:06SPEAKER- That I already-
12:07SPEAKER- Like a plate to mount your bike light
12:08SPEAKERon your bike handlebars, okay.
12:10SPEAKER- Yes, that I already have in my possession
12:11SPEAKERas I need it to be longer in one direction.
12:15SPEAKEROkay, that's 3D email number one.
12:17SPEAKER- That's from Scott in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
12:19SPEAKER- Yes, let me scroll here.
12:21SPEAKERSecond one from Joe.
12:22SPEAKERI recently bought myself a 3D printer
12:24SPEAKERand the only thing I've printed with it so far
12:25SPEAKERare improvements and accessories for the 3D printer.
12:29SPEAKERWhat are some useful things I can print with this thing
12:31SPEAKERto justify buying it to my friends and family?
12:34SPEAKER- Okay, so this is a question you get,
12:36SPEAKERthat's from Joe, sorry, Joe.
12:39SPEAKERThis is a question you get a lot about 3D printers, right?
12:41SPEAKERLike you get a 3D printer and you're like,
12:42SPEAKERokay, I printed a bunch of accessories for the 3D printer.
12:45SPEAKERIn fact, actually in the old days,
12:47SPEAKERand still a lot of 3D printers are sold as a bin of parts,
12:52SPEAKERlike hardware, like metal parts that you can't 3D print
12:54SPEAKERand then like starter 3D parts.
12:57SPEAKERAnd then when you put it together,
12:58SPEAKERthe first thing you do is print some more parts
12:59SPEAKERto like further build out the printer.
13:03SPEAKERThe place I like to go and I recommend people
13:05SPEAKERgo look for ideas is the subreddit functional print.
13:10SPEAKERThat's just the word functional and then the word print.
13:13SPEAKERAnd they're all one word, there's no underscore or anything.
13:15SPEAKERAnd people post things that they've made
13:17SPEAKERthat they're like stoked about.
13:18SPEAKERSo like scrolling down it right now,
13:20SPEAKERthere's a fix for their fridge water dispenser,
13:23SPEAKERwhich is a little iffy 'cause a lot of the plastic to use
13:25SPEAKERin 3D printers isn't probably food safe,
13:27SPEAKERbut maybe it's the button and not the,
13:29SPEAKERmaybe it's the button and not like the water nozzle part,
13:31SPEAKERI can't tell.
13:33SPEAKERThere's like things that hold things on shelves.
13:39SPEAKERThere's a fan collar for somebody's ceiling fan.
13:44SPEAKERThere's a soundbar to TV mount.
13:46SPEAKERSo it's like all stuff that they were like,
13:48SPEAKERhey, here's a problem, here's how to solve it.
13:50SPEAKERNow, the thing I will say on the bike mount,
13:52SPEAKERdepending on how that works,
13:53SPEAKERif the light is like a tube and you're making a circle
13:57SPEAKERand like two circles that are offset by 90 degrees,
14:00SPEAKERso you can put the tube in one thing
14:01SPEAKERand then clamp it onto the handlebars,
14:03SPEAKERthat's probably a good thing to print,
14:06SPEAKERbut I'm not sure that it's gonna work.
14:09SPEAKERLike 3D scanning is not usually good
14:12SPEAKERfor high precision stuff.
14:14SPEAKERIt's usually, like we did a whole "Fu Show" episode
14:16SPEAKERwhere we 3D scanned a bunch of stuff from Adam's shop
14:19SPEAKERwith like expensive laser scanners and like the whole thing.
14:22SPEAKERWe used four different kinds of scanners for that.
14:25SPEAKERAnd the data that you get out of those is really noisy.
14:27SPEAKERIt's fine for like artistic purposes.
14:30SPEAKERLike a lot of, it's funny,
14:32SPEAKERI actually use a lot of Megascan stuff that Epic
14:35SPEAKERand people have put in the Epic store
14:38SPEAKERin some stuff that I'm working on right now,
14:42SPEAKERbut it's not, like none of that is just stuff you would,
14:46SPEAKERlike you don't get the precision needed to make 'em,
14:48SPEAKERlike it's not like you're gonna replace a machined part
14:51SPEAKERor a plastic cast part with that.
14:53SPEAKER- Don't 3D print anything with five thou tolerances.
14:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you wanna make a holder for your light,
14:59SPEAKERyou're better off finding a 3D scan of,
15:04SPEAKERlike the 3D specifications of the light that you have,
15:07SPEAKERwhich somebody's probably posted on Thingiverse
15:08SPEAKERor Sketchfab or something like that,
15:10SPEAKERlike search for the model number and 3D model,
15:13SPEAKERget the scale right, and then put that in a block
15:17SPEAKERthat you've, like find the other end of the mount
15:21SPEAKERthat's gonna go on your bike handlebar,
15:23SPEAKERattach that to a big block,
15:25SPEAKERand then carve the shape of the light out of that
15:28SPEAKERin the place that you wanna do it and make it that way.
15:31SPEAKERIt'll work better than 3D scanning.
15:33SPEAKERFor 3D scanning on the phone, I use Scandi.
15:35SPEAKERIt's pretty good.
15:36SPEAKERAnd you can do rooms, you can do objects,
15:38SPEAKERyou can do heads, stuff like that.
15:40SPEAKER- All right.
15:41SPEAKERThat was a comprehensive answer to 3D questions.
15:43SPEAKER- There we go.
15:45SPEAKERThat's what we do.
15:45SPEAKERWe efficiently answer questions here on the TechPod Q&A.
15:49SPEAKER- That's right.
15:50SPEAKEROnly the most trustworthy and robust answers around here.
15:55SPEAKEROkay, question from Andrew.
15:56SPEAKERI guess, excuse me, I can speak to this recently.
16:01SPEAKERHave there been any meaningful advances in case design
16:03SPEAKERfor desktops in the last 20 years?
16:05SPEAKERI don't mean RGB type things,
16:06SPEAKERbut something that would matter to a person looking
16:08SPEAKERto build a new PC who happens to have a case
16:11SPEAKERfrom about 2005 still around.
16:14SPEAKER- This is Andrew.
16:15SPEAKERBrad, if you wrote this in and you signed Andrew to it,
16:18SPEAKERit's okay.
16:19SPEAKERWe would have answered your question too.
16:20SPEAKER- Let's look.
16:23SPEAKERYou know what?
16:24SPEAKERI almost stuck with my previous case,
16:26SPEAKERwhich is only five years ago.
16:26SPEAKERWell, actually it came out more than five years ago,
16:29SPEAKERbut I only bought it five years ago.
16:31SPEAKERBut I decided to go all the way with a brand new machine.
16:36SPEAKEROne of the reasons it occurred to me kind of retroactively
16:40SPEAKERis that I think we're probably on maybe the last generation
16:43SPEAKERof cases that have a five and a quarter drive base in them.
16:47SPEAKER- Oh, that's probably true.
16:48SPEAKER- Like I'm guessing probably the next major refresh
16:52SPEAKERfrom most every case manufacturer is not going to have space
16:55SPEAKERfor an optical drive anymore.
16:56SPEAKERSo I'm kind of glad I got what is probably one
16:58SPEAKERof the last ones of those.
16:59SPEAKER- It'll probably become a specialty thing in the future.
17:01SPEAKERYeah.
17:02SPEAKEROr, I mean, from a performance standpoint,
17:04SPEAKERthere's probably no difference between a USB three
17:07SPEAKERexternal cage with a drive in it.
17:09SPEAKERIt's just one less wire and one less thing
17:11SPEAKERto have on your desk.
17:12SPEAKER- Probably not, but yeah, exactly.
17:13SPEAKERIt's just less clutter to deal with.
17:15SPEAKERI actually, I think they probably will,
17:17SPEAKERsome will continue offering sort of conversion options,
17:19SPEAKERyou know, like that's what mine has now is,
17:21SPEAKERhey, this can be a five and a quarter bay
17:23SPEAKERor it can be another fan mount.
17:25SPEAKER- Yeah, and I would have never known
17:26SPEAKERthat it was a five and a quarter bay at the top
17:27SPEAKERif I hadn't seen it taken apart.
17:30SPEAKERThe big thing to me is noise.
17:32SPEAKERLike the cases now are much, much, much quieter
17:34SPEAKERthan they were in 2005, cases were loud.
17:37SPEAKER- Yes.
17:39SPEAKER- So they're much more noise insulated.
17:40SPEAKERThe air flow is more deliberate
17:42SPEAKERand like there's simultaneously much more air flow in.
17:47SPEAKER'Cause in like the 2005 era,
17:49SPEAKERwe were still talking about like a fan low
17:51SPEAKERin the front of the PC and a fan high in the back of the PC
17:55SPEAKERand maybe a fan on the top, but that's probably it.
17:58SPEAKERAnd I don't know that that kind of case
18:00SPEAKERhas enough air coming in to support like a high-end GPU today.
18:04SPEAKER- Yeah, a lot more sound dampening than there used to be.
18:08SPEAKERWell, it depends on the type of case.
18:09SPEAKERIf it's a very enclosed case,
18:10SPEAKERlike a lot of them have good sound dampening
18:12SPEAKERin the panels now, but also another major innovation
18:15SPEAKERis that a lot of them are extremely open now,
18:17SPEAKERlike with mesh fronts, like massive amounts of venting,
18:21SPEAKERessentially using fans that are so big they're very quiet,
18:24SPEAKEReven though they move a lot of air.
18:25SPEAKERLike I saw the, I got to see the fractal torrent in person
18:28SPEAKERwhen I was at the studio with Adam and doing the build.
18:33SPEAKER- Did you like it?
18:35SPEAKER- It was cool, yeah, but like the fans inside of it,
18:37SPEAKERI feel like are an illegal size for PC case fans.
18:40SPEAKERLike I don't even know what are those things,
18:42SPEAKERlike 200 millimeter?
18:42SPEAKER- Are they just 140s, 240s?
18:44SPEAKER- No, they are.
18:45SPEAKER- Oh, they're way bigger than that?
18:46SPEAKER- I actually wonder if they are custom made for that case
18:49SPEAKERbecause they are gargantuan.
18:51SPEAKERI've never seen such a thing in PC cases,
18:53SPEAKERbut apparently I think it's quite,
18:54SPEAKERis very quiet because again, they're so big,
18:57SPEAKERthey can move a lot of air at low speed.
18:59SPEAKER- Oh, they're 180 millimeter fans.
19:02SPEAKER- They're also thicker.
19:03SPEAKERThey're also, I think, significantly thicker
19:04SPEAKERthan your average 25 millimeter case fan.
19:07SPEAKER- Yeah, they're 38 millimeters, yeah.
19:09SPEAKERThe airflow, the other thing is there's a lot of cutouts
19:13SPEAKERfor cable routing now.
19:14SPEAKER- Yes, cable routing is better.
19:16SPEAKER- Like the cutout,
19:16SPEAKERyour case has maybe the best cutouts I've ever seen
19:19SPEAKER'cause it has like, it has cutouts around the USB
19:22SPEAKERand front panel headers at the bottom of the motherboard.
19:25SPEAKERIt has cutouts where the power stuff,
19:27SPEAKERI mean, mine has cutouts where the power stuff comes in
19:29SPEAKERand one along the bottom,
19:30SPEAKERbut it's much tighter than yours was.
19:33SPEAKER- Fractal's philosophy for this thing,
19:35SPEAKERbecause there's so much extra surface area
19:37SPEAKERfrom having gotten the big case,
19:38SPEAKERtheir philosophy seems to have just been,
19:40SPEAKERhey, every bit of extra surface area should be a cutout
19:43SPEAKERon this thing.
19:44SPEAKERSo that's very nice.
19:45SPEAKER- And then also 2005 would have been just around the time
19:48SPEAKERthat we started seeing the first external,
19:52SPEAKERlike CPU mounting bracket cutout in the back.
19:56SPEAKERSo you could take the CPU out of the CPU.
19:58SPEAKERYou could disconnect the CPU cooler
19:59SPEAKERwithout necessarily having to take the motherboard
20:01SPEAKERout of the case, which was a big deal.
20:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I randomly was going through my new egg history,
20:05SPEAKERjust looking at old PC build stuff a couple of days ago.
20:09SPEAKERAnd 2006 is when I bought the venerable Antec P180.
20:12SPEAKERDo you remember that?
20:13SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a classic.
20:14SPEAKER- And used that one until 2018.
20:16SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a fine case.
20:18SPEAKER- It was good, it was good,
20:19SPEAKERbut it was in that transition point
20:20SPEAKERfrom the '90s beige boxes like the absolute garbage tier
20:25SPEAKERcases that used to be common to the modern era
20:28SPEAKERof very nice cases.
20:28SPEAKERSo it was like, it was a good case for the time,
20:31SPEAKERbut it's still, I've used it as recently as five years.
20:34SPEAKERAnd I can tell you still a lot of very rugged,
20:37SPEAKERrough metal in there that is very prone to cutting you up.
20:40SPEAKERSo like even just like less jagged surfaces and stuff.
20:43SPEAKERI think just like case build quality and thoughtfulness
20:46SPEAKERof design is just light years beyond
20:48SPEAKERwhere it was 15 years ago.
20:49SPEAKER- I will, and then the last thing is the front ports
20:51SPEAKERare gonna be the modern USB specs,
20:53SPEAKERwhereas you'll be limited to USB 2 on the older case.
20:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's like I was in that situation in 2018
21:01SPEAKERwhen I did some rebuilding of things using that P180
21:04SPEAKERand I was like, ah, it's still working fine, right?
21:06SPEAKERBut then I decided like, ah, no, whatever,
21:07SPEAKERI'm gonna get a defined R6 and like instantly glad I did.
21:11SPEAKER- Dramatically, yeah.
21:13SPEAKER- Even though that case that you have
21:15SPEAKERis technically still doing it, it could be so much better.
21:19SPEAKER- Well, and the other thing is like a really nice case
21:22SPEAKERis not super expensive today.
21:24SPEAKERLike you can get the torrent,
21:27SPEAKERthe torrent is kind of expensive 'cause it's a fancy case,
21:29SPEAKERbut like you can get a really nice Corsair
21:33SPEAKERor NZXT case for like $120.
21:38SPEAKERAnd it'll last you for another 10, 15 years.
21:41SPEAKER- For sure.
21:42SPEAKERYeah, I'm not trying to shill for fractal here.
21:43SPEAKERIt's just that's been my last three case purchases,
21:46SPEAKERbut yes, there are a lot of good cases out there these days.
21:49SPEAKER- For me, the case is one of those things where,
21:51SPEAKERlike especially for a main machine,
21:54SPEAKERI'm often willing to spend a little bit more money
21:56SPEAKER'cause the cases tend to last a really long time.
21:59SPEAKERAnd I want something that I'm gonna not be sad looking at
22:02SPEAKERfor the next 10 years, so.
22:04SPEAKER- For sure.
22:04SPEAKERAnother email from Emily.
22:06SPEAKERWhat's your favorite screen or icon or page
22:09SPEAKERfrom software, game or otherwise?
22:11SPEAKERI have a fondness for the old Netscape Navigator
22:14SPEAKERpage loading icon at the top right with the shooting stars.
22:17SPEAKERI also love that throbber.
22:19SPEAKERIt is the best.
22:21SPEAKERBrowser throbbers don't even exist anymore,
22:22SPEAKERwhich is really unfortunate.
22:24SPEAKERIs there a Chrome extension
22:26SPEAKERthat will replicate that experience?
22:28SPEAKER- Do we put, the throbber is just on the icon,
22:30SPEAKERon the fav icon on the tab now.
22:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.
22:33SPEAKERSome of the browser streamlining that has gone on
22:36SPEAKERin recent years is maybe a little too minimal for my taste,
22:39SPEAKERbut.
22:40SPEAKER- Well, like I don't,
22:42SPEAKERlike the reason we had to have the throbber though,
22:44SPEAKER'cause it was, 'cause it took three minutes
22:45SPEAKERfor a webpage to load back then.
22:47SPEAKERSo like, for me, it's something to say,
22:48SPEAKERhey, this is still working.
22:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
22:51SPEAKER- I'm kind of, I don't miss that part of it,
22:52SPEAKERbut I do miss the throbber.
22:53SPEAKER- That's fair, yes.
22:54SPEAKERJust as a kitschy, like nostalgia thing.
22:56SPEAKERIt's the kind of thing where we needed it,
22:57SPEAKERbut now it's part of our history.
22:59SPEAKERSo we want it to remember the things we love.
23:02SPEAKERI actually, can I add loading web pages
23:05SPEAKERto the things that are hilariously faster on this machine
23:08SPEAKERbecause they render faster?
23:10SPEAKER- Yeah, dude.
23:11SPEAKERThere's, it's not huge,
23:13SPEAKERbut there is a noticeable difference
23:14SPEAKERin how fast pages render now, this new machine.
23:17SPEAKERAnyway.
23:18SPEAKER- It's 100%, like everything is going to be faster
23:21SPEAKERon that machine.
23:22SPEAKERSo mine is probably the Windows 95.
23:27SPEAKERRemember like the Windows 95 full screen splash
23:30SPEAKERwhen it would come up and it had the clouds
23:32SPEAKERand it had the little blue bar along the bottom
23:34SPEAKERthat is kind of animated to let you know it was still working?
23:36SPEAKER- I find like when, it's funny, we're getting to an age now
23:40SPEAKERwhere there is a lot of nostalgia for old computing.
23:44SPEAKEROkay, as I say that out loud, of course there is.
23:46SPEAKERThat's the most obvious statement in the world.
23:47SPEAKERThere's nostalgia for old things.
23:48SPEAKERBut I guess what I'm saying is we're getting to the point
23:50SPEAKERwhere there's nostalgia for like Windows
23:53SPEAKERfrom the 95 to XP range,
23:56SPEAKERor maybe even getting into nostalgia for 7 territory now.
24:00SPEAKERThat's what I mean.
24:01SPEAKERIt's like retro PCs are not just 80s beige box,
24:05SPEAKERlike, you know, IBM XTs anymore.
24:08SPEAKERNow it's like your Windows XP machine is retro.
24:11SPEAKERAnd those Windows 95 splash screens,
24:13SPEAKERboth the cloud startup one and also the orange on black,
24:19SPEAKERit is now safe to shut down your computer.
24:21SPEAKER- I need to make a T-shirt that has that on it actually.
24:23SPEAKER- That would probably sell.
24:25SPEAKERLike, dude, yeah, like actually,
24:28SPEAKERI wonder if there are any rights issues.
24:29SPEAKERYou could quite literally lift that image.
24:30SPEAKER- What are they gonna do?
24:31SPEAKERIt's just a font.
24:32SPEAKERThere's nothing to copy, right?
24:33SPEAKER- Yeah, you could literally lift that image
24:34SPEAKERand get it screen printed.
24:35SPEAKERI mean, you'd want to flatten it down to one color,
24:37SPEAKERbut you could pretty much make that shirt very easily.
24:44SPEAKER- I'm gonna do that before the end of this show.
24:48SPEAKERI'll post a link if we do it in time
24:49SPEAKERfor the episode to come out.
24:53SPEAKERThe thing about this whole deal is,
24:57SPEAKERSteve, a friend of the pod, Steve Lin,
24:59SPEAKERexplained this to me years ago,
25:00SPEAKER'cause he was like, look, when people your age
25:03SPEAKERreached a point where they had jobs,
25:05SPEAKERwhere they had income and could spend money
25:07SPEAKERon frivolous but not super expensive things,
25:10SPEAKERthey went back to buy pieces of their childhood.
25:12SPEAKERThey went back and bought Star Wars toys,
25:13SPEAKERand they went back and bought NES
25:15SPEAKERand Master System cartridges and stuff like that.
25:17SPEAKERAnd part of that drove the boom
25:19SPEAKERin the price of NES cartridges.
25:22SPEAKERAnd then once that boom passed,
25:23SPEAKERthen the inventory that was available for collectors
25:26SPEAKERwent way down, and everything got and stayed more expensive.
25:29SPEAKERAnd then that happened with the SNES,
25:31SPEAKERand it happened with the GameCube,
25:33SPEAKERand it happened with the N64.
25:35SPEAKERAnd we're seeing the same thing on the PC side, right?
25:38SPEAKERThe difference is it's easier to emulate old PC stuff.
25:43SPEAKERSo if all you care is the software,
25:45SPEAKERyou just download the software
25:46SPEAKERand run on your modern PC and DOSBox or whatever,
25:49SPEAKERor x86Box, whereas people have fondness
25:55SPEAKERfor the physical thing in terms of the old console games.
25:58SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.
25:59SPEAKERI couldn't even pick one here, man.
26:01SPEAKERThere is so much old iconography
26:03SPEAKERfrom that era of computing that I love.
26:06SPEAKERI just don't know where to start.
26:07SPEAKERI love, we talked about the MS-DOS icon,
26:10SPEAKERI believe, last month.
26:11SPEAKER- Yeah, oh yeah.
26:13SPEAKER- I love the NeXT logo, NeXT, as in the Steve Jobs post-Apple.
26:18SPEAKER- It's really good.
26:21SPEAKER- I like all the beast.
26:22SPEAKERWe could just sit here all day
26:23SPEAKERtalking about graphic design and UI design
26:26SPEAKERand splash screens and stuff that were awesome.
26:30SPEAKERThe secret is they're awesome
26:31SPEAKERbecause it's what we grew up with.
26:34SPEAKERThere's no objective quality there.
26:36SPEAKERIt's just the things that you see
26:37SPEAKERwhen you're young really stick with you.
26:40SPEAKER- Yeah, there's sadly no extensions that I'm finding.
26:45SPEAKER- That's unfortunate.
26:47SPEAKERI may have to do some research there.
26:48SPEAKERI mean, I straight up made the NeXTscape Navigator,
26:50SPEAKERThrobber, the show art a few months ago for an episode.
26:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I love that.
26:54SPEAKERIt made me happy.
26:55SPEAKERIt wasn't animated though, Brad.
26:57SPEAKER- No, that was the thing.
26:58SPEAKERThat was very much the moment.
26:59SPEAKERI remember, I don't even know,
27:02SPEAKERfour or five years into "Giant Bomb."
27:05SPEAKERAt some point, somebody was like,
27:06SPEAKER"I wonder if the top slot graphic unit
27:08SPEAKERsupports animated GIFs."
27:09SPEAKERAnd of course it did.
27:10SPEAKER- Oh yeah, of course it did.
27:12SPEAKER- I think it was that GIF of Paul Rudd
27:14SPEAKERslamming a cartridge into a Super Nintendo.
27:16SPEAKER- That seems right.
27:17SPEAKER- Became a top slot unit on the site.
27:19SPEAKERIt totally animated.
27:20SPEAKERSo when I did this in simple cast to post that episode,
27:23SPEAKERI was like, "Here we go.
27:24SPEAKERI'm gonna drag this GIF in there.
27:25SPEAKERIs it gonna animate?"
27:26SPEAKERIt's not.
27:27SPEAKER- I think Patreon lets animated GIFs be the show art,
27:30SPEAKERbut not simple cast.
27:32SPEAKER- Yes.
27:33SPEAKERI'm gonna skip ahead to a Discord question
27:35SPEAKERand then one more email because this Discord question
27:38SPEAKERsort of ties into what we were just talking about.
27:41SPEAKERIt's from Bit Flipping.
27:43SPEAKER"What's the best way to learn how to solder these days?
27:45SPEAKERI have recently begun modding old Game Boy Color
27:47SPEAKERand Game Boy Advance systems with backlit IPS screens.
27:50SPEAKERAnd while there are some solderless kits out there,
27:53SPEAKERI quickly have reached the limit of what I can do
27:55SPEAKERwithout getting my hands dirty.
27:56SPEAKERI'd like to find a way to inexpensively
27:58SPEAKERget some soldering practice in,
28:00SPEAKERas I don't want my first soldering experience
28:03SPEAKERto be on an actual Game Boy motherboard
28:04SPEAKERfor fear of ruining it."
28:06SPEAKERI'll very quickly tell you how this ties
28:08SPEAKERinto the previous topic.
28:10SPEAKERThe PC speaker that I brought to put in the build.
28:14SPEAKER- I saw there was a conversation about it.
28:16SPEAKER- Straight up.
28:17SPEAKERSo wait, which one did you see?
28:18SPEAKER- Well, I saw that somebody was like,
28:19SPEAKER"Hey, you can just order these from China
28:20SPEAKERand they'll send you a thousand of them
28:22SPEAKERfor four cents each or something."
28:23SPEAKER- They don't own ones?
28:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:25SPEAKER- The little piezo buzzer ones?
28:26SPEAKER- No, the 8-ohm ones.
28:28SPEAKER- Oh, wow, okay, maybe I should just buy some.
28:29SPEAKERWell, so then maybe that leads to another question here.
28:32SPEAKERI thought you meant the conversation
28:34SPEAKERwhere a couple of people in the chat were like,
28:36SPEAKER"You know, you don't need those speakers anymore.
28:38SPEAKERThat's what the aid segment display codes are for."
28:42SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Completely the same point."
28:45SPEAKER- That is completely not the point
28:46SPEAKERof wanting the speaker in the computer, yeah.
28:49SPEAKER- That said though, the speaker has totally served
28:51SPEAKERits actual purpose, because I think it's just
28:53SPEAKERa little bias issue that will probably get ironed out,
28:55SPEAKERbut every third boot, it throws some kind of error
28:59SPEAKERand skips the post screen and ability to go into the BIOS.
29:02SPEAKERIt does end up at the Windows login eventually.
29:04SPEAKER- Oh, weird, it just takes a long time?
29:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it just sits at a black screen
29:08SPEAKERwith no signal for like a minute and never posts,
29:12SPEAKERbut then eventually the Windows login.
29:13SPEAKERI think it's probably-
29:14SPEAKER- I wonder if it's memory training or something.
29:15SPEAKER- That's exactly what I think it is,
29:16SPEAKERand it'll probably get ironed.
29:17SPEAKERAnyway, the point is that speaker
29:20SPEAKERlets me know when that's happening
29:21SPEAKERbecause it throws a four-beep error instead of one beep.
29:24SPEAKERSo it's actually totally doing its job.
29:26SPEAKER- Well, it's funny, my motherboard
29:28SPEAKERtrains the cooler occasionally, and it'll pop up and say,
29:30SPEAKERhey, we're gonna train the cooler.
29:31SPEAKERIf that's okay, press it, but don't press anything.
29:34SPEAKERIf you wanna skip it, press F1.
29:35SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, where I was going with this is,
29:40SPEAKERas far as I know, the speaker that a kind listener sent me
29:43SPEAKERis like a legitimate actual old case speaker
29:45SPEAKERfrom some decades ago, and all of the moving it around
29:49SPEAKERin there and taking it out and stretching the cable and stuff
29:51SPEAKERand both of the wires popped off the leads.
29:54SPEAKER- Oh, no.
29:55SPEAKER- So I'm gonna have to re-solder it.
29:57SPEAKERAnd so- - That's an easy solder job.
29:59SPEAKER- Yes, and so I was going to say, I think this is,
30:02SPEAKERI need to solder things like maybe once a year,
30:04SPEAKERbut I think this is my excuse to order a Pine-Sole finally.
30:07SPEAKER- Yeah, you should.
30:09SPEAKERSo I was gonna say, well, okay,
30:11SPEAKERto tease an upcoming episode of the FOSPOD,
30:13SPEAKERwe have some folks from the Pine-Sole, from Pine64 on.
30:16SPEAKER- Pine64, yeah.
30:17SPEAKER- Yeah, and that thing's 20 bucks if you buy it from them,
30:21SPEAKER25 bucks or something-
30:22SPEAKER- It's gonna be $26 right now.
30:23SPEAKER- Yeah, puts it firmly in the same price range.
30:26SPEAKERIt's like just enough more expensive than the $10 one
30:30SPEAKERyou get at the hardware store
30:31SPEAKERthat you should just buy the good one.
30:32SPEAKER- Yeah, so yeah, that's what I wanted to ask here.
30:36SPEAKERNot for my purposes, I mean, I've done enough soldering,
30:38SPEAKERbut like for the flippings sake, do you think,
30:41SPEAKERis the Pine-Sole a good starter entry level soldering iron?
30:45SPEAKERWould you, is that what you would recommend?
30:47SPEAKER- I don't think there's any downside to starting with that.
30:49SPEAKER- Okay.
30:50SPEAKER- What I would do is I would get some,
30:53SPEAKERI would go to like Adafruit
30:55SPEAKERand buy a couple of cheap kits.
30:58SPEAKERThey have some, they used to have,
30:59SPEAKERI don't know if they still do,
31:00SPEAKERI should have looked at this before the show,
31:01SPEAKERbut they had a learn to solder kit
31:04SPEAKERthat was good for a long time.
31:06SPEAKERLet's see if she still sells that.
31:10SPEAKERBasically it comes with like a breadboard.
31:12SPEAKERIf they don't have it, then you can do a,
31:17SPEAKERjust buy a cheap breadboard kit,
31:19SPEAKERsomething with a circuit board and some resistors
31:22SPEAKERand stuff that you have to solder on.
31:23SPEAKERYou can look for the types of components
31:25SPEAKERthat you have to do the soldering on on your Game Boy
31:29SPEAKERand then pull similar parts from Adafruit
31:33SPEAKERthat cost $1 each or $0.10 each or $0.50 each or whatever,
31:37SPEAKERand you learn how to solder the headers or whatever.
31:39SPEAKERSo if you have to connect stuff to, say,
31:43SPEAKERa CPU or a chip that's soldered on
31:46SPEAKERwith a lot of small connectors,
31:48SPEAKERbuy some small connectors and just practice.
31:51SPEAKERAnd the nice thing about soldering
31:52SPEAKERis that if you manage your temperature,
31:54SPEAKERwhich is no problem with the pine cells
31:55SPEAKERsince you can control the temperature
31:57SPEAKERreally precisely with that thing,
31:59SPEAKERthen you won't, like, soldering and desoldering,
32:03SPEAKERyou won't do damage,
32:04SPEAKERyou're just creating a lot of work for yourself.
32:05SPEAKERSo you can, like, you might torch the CPU
32:08SPEAKERif you do it a bunch,
32:09SPEAKERbut if you're doing it on a practice board, who cares?
32:11SPEAKERSo you can just disconnect and reconnect the headers
32:13SPEAKERover and over again until you're confident
32:14SPEAKERin your ability to do it.
32:16SPEAKERThe secret of doing small stuff
32:17SPEAKERis to get fine solder and not, you know,
32:22SPEAKERdon't, go easy.
32:25SPEAKERLike, go slow and go easy.
32:27SPEAKERThere's a, if you hit the Maker channel in our Discord,
32:30SPEAKERpeople can probably give you some help.
32:33SPEAKERYeah, and the solder it thing is the,
32:36SPEAKERthe one I would start with is,
32:38SPEAKERlet's see, do they have it on sale?
32:39SPEAKERIt's called the Mini POV3 Kit, which is,
32:44SPEAKERoh, this is the one I did, I used to recommend it,
32:46SPEAKERit says it's no longer recommended for beginners.
32:48SPEAKERSo nevermind.
32:49SPEAKERBut there's like five learn to solder guides
32:52SPEAKERon Adafruit's website.
32:54SPEAKERSo that's what I would, that's where I would start.
32:56SPEAKERThey do good stuff.
32:57SPEAKERIf you Google Adafruit Guide to Excellent Soldering,
33:00SPEAKERA-D-A-F-R-U-I-T,
33:02SPEAKERthen they'll tell you what you need.
33:05SPEAKERAnd I would say the iron recommendations
33:09SPEAKERare out of date given where we're at,
33:14SPEAKERgiven where the Pinesil, what the Pinesil is at this point.
33:18SPEAKER- You have gotten me looking at AliExpress
33:20SPEAKERand searching for eight Ohm speakers.
33:22SPEAKERAnd sure enough, there are options.
33:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:25SPEAKER- None of them look exactly like the old school PC one,
33:27SPEAKERbut they definitely are a bajillion of them on here.
33:31SPEAKER- Well, fixing yours is about a 30 second solder.
33:33SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, there's also like, look, again,
33:37SPEAKERnostalgia is a potent force.
33:39SPEAKERThere's something about using the old one
33:41SPEAKERthat is more satisfying than buying a new one.
33:44SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
33:45SPEAKER- I have a quick question before we move on.
33:47SPEAKERI don't know if you can address this,
33:48SPEAKERor I'm sure people on the Discord can.
33:51SPEAKERI'm seeing some eight Ohm speakers on here
33:54SPEAKERthat look like they are more like tweeters
33:56SPEAKERfor car stereo speakers than like a PC.
33:59SPEAKERSo for example, for 799 here,
34:02SPEAKERI can get a pair of 40 millimeter,
34:04SPEAKERoh, I'm sorry, these are four Ohm,
34:06SPEAKERbut the thing I was gonna ask is these are five watt speakers.
34:09SPEAKERAnd for example, this one I have here that's from a PC
34:12SPEAKERis 0.5, it's half a watt.
34:15SPEAKERWhat happens if you plug a something
34:17SPEAKERlike a higher wattage speaker into something
34:19SPEAKERthat can't provide that much?
34:20SPEAKER- It'll be real quiet.
34:21SPEAKER- Is it just quiet?
34:22SPEAKERIs that all it is? - I think so.
34:23SPEAKER- Okay.
34:24SPEAKERIt's not gonna-
34:25SPEAKER- I mean, if you plug in the wrong impedance,
34:27SPEAKERit can damage the circuits on the motherboard, but-
34:30SPEAKER- Okay, and the impedance is the Ohms?
34:31SPEAKER- Is the Ohms, yeah.
34:33SPEAKER- Okay, well, I definitely don't want
34:34SPEAKERthese four Ohm speakers to do more research here, but-
34:38SPEAKER- Lower is probably fine, higher is probably bad.
34:40SPEAKER- I see. - Would be my guess.
34:41SPEAKERI don't know, my guess is the motherboards are smart enough
34:43SPEAKERto not blow up if you plug something
34:44SPEAKERyou're not supposed to plug into it.
34:45SPEAKERBut that's an old, like that's such a,
34:48SPEAKERlike an appendix type of,
34:51SPEAKERit's an evolutionary dead end of technology.
34:54SPEAKERSo I don't know.
34:55SPEAKER- Yeah, actually one other question.
34:57SPEAKERAnd again, maybe people on the Discord can answer.
34:59SPEAKERI don't remember which wire went to which lead
35:00SPEAKER'cause they both broke off. - Probably doesn't matter.
35:02SPEAKER- Does it not matter?
35:03SPEAKER- No, because the header is not polar, so.
35:06SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, all right, time to fix the speaker.
35:09SPEAKER- It would matter if you were doing an LED,
35:11SPEAKERbut not for the speaker.
35:12SPEAKER- Sure, okay.
35:13SPEAKER- Well, four phase will be backwards,
35:15SPEAKERbut I don't think it's gonna matter for the beeps.
35:17SPEAKER- Probably not.
35:18SPEAKER- And also you can just flip the filter connector if it is.
35:21SPEAKER- Yes, true enough.
35:23SPEAKEROkay, last email, I'm gonna go back to emails here.
35:27SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:30SPEAKER- Question from Eric.
35:31SPEAKERIs it okay to wear outside clothes in the bed?
35:35SPEAKERMy wife has a rule that any outside clothes
35:37SPEAKERcan't be worn in bed.
35:38SPEAKERFor example, if you went shopping
35:39SPEAKERand then came back and wanted to take a nap in the bed,
35:42SPEAKERI'm getting a vehement thumbs down from the doorway here.
35:47SPEAKERI'm gonna say, sorry.
35:51SPEAKERFor example, the rule is if you went shopping
35:52SPEAKERand then came back and wanted to take a nap in the bed,
35:54SPEAKERyou would need to change into an inside shirt.
35:57SPEAKERBut my argument is that outside clothes
35:59SPEAKERare allowed on the couch.
36:00SPEAKERAnd I also sit on the couch with my inside clothes.
36:03SPEAKERBy a cross contamination from the couch,
36:06SPEAKERmy inside clothes get dirty.
36:08SPEAKERSo the step of changing from outside to inside clothes
36:10SPEAKERdoesn't actually stop the outside germs
36:13SPEAKERfrom contaminating the bed.
36:16SPEAKERIs she too germaphobic or am I a reckless madman?
36:19SPEAKERWhat, wait, is there a transitive property of household grime?
36:26SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm just, this whole question is I,
36:29SPEAKERlook, I think we can, sometimes everyone's wrong.
36:33SPEAKER- You think so?
36:33SPEAKER- Yeah, sometimes.
36:34SPEAKER- There's no correct answer.
36:35SPEAKER- No, no, there's absolutely a correct answer here.
36:37SPEAKER- Which is?
36:38SPEAKER- The correct answer is you don't wear outside clothes
36:42SPEAKERinto the bed, at least outerwear.
36:46SPEAKER- Yes.
36:47SPEAKER- Like I'm not gonna, if I go outside into the world
36:49SPEAKERand then I come back and I want to lay down in bed,
36:51SPEAKERI will probably take off my outerwear
36:53SPEAKERand lay down in like my undershirt and my underwear.
36:57SPEAKER- Yes.
36:58SPEAKER- Maybe a pair of socks.
36:59SPEAKER- Right, like for me, it's not so much about the grime
37:02SPEAKERas like comfort, you know, it's like,
37:03SPEAKERI don't want to wear the type of clothes
37:05SPEAKERI wear out into the world.
37:07SPEAKERI don't want to like get under the covers in
37:08SPEAKER'cause that just seems unpleasantly not comfortable.
37:13SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but I also don't want, I don't want like dirt.
37:16SPEAKERLike I would never wear a pair of jeans
37:18SPEAKERthat might have like dirt from outside.
37:21SPEAKER- Like if I wore a pair of shorts
37:23SPEAKERand like went and rode the Muni and sat down on the Muni,
37:26SPEAKERI'm not gonna come home and like get in the bed
37:28SPEAKERwearing those same shorts.
37:29SPEAKER- Yeah, no, but also at the same time,
37:32SPEAKERlike I'm not worried about cross contamination
37:33SPEAKERfrom the couch because presumably the stuff
37:36SPEAKERthat falls off of my outerwear onto the couch
37:39SPEAKERisn't going to, it's not like it's gonna stick
37:41SPEAKERto my under clothes, my inside clothes
37:46SPEAKERand come back into the bed when I next lay down.
37:51SPEAKERSo I am firmly on the side of your wife here on this one.
37:55SPEAKER- Yes, yes, same.
37:57SPEAKER- Yeah, don't wear your dungarees to bed.
38:00SPEAKER- Man. - Good God, man.
38:01SPEAKER- Stories we tell ourselves in order to be comfortable
38:04SPEAKERas physical beings.
38:06SPEAKER- Do you-- - And not think about
38:08SPEAKERall of the disgusting, invisible stuff out there.
38:12SPEAKER- Well, you're often a white t-shirt wearer, right?
38:15SPEAKERYou wear an undershirt on occasion.
38:17SPEAKER- What are you blowing up my spot here?
38:19SPEAKER- Oh, sorry.
38:21SPEAKER- Not on camera, that's only when I don't wanna burn
38:25SPEAKERa good shirt that I would wear on camera.
38:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so, but do you wear the undershirt
38:29SPEAKERunderneath your other shirt or do you,
38:31SPEAKERare you just a t-shirt raw dog initially?
38:33SPEAKER- These days, like when we used to work in an office
38:37SPEAKERand I wore like button-up shirts,
38:38SPEAKERI would always wear a white undershirt under that.
38:41SPEAKER- Yeah. - But I mean,
38:42SPEAKERI'll often wear, like I wouldn't wear a hoodie directly.
38:45SPEAKERI always wear a t-shirt under a hoodie, for example.
38:48SPEAKER- Yeah, God, of course.
38:49SPEAKERBut like, so, but I often will wear
38:51SPEAKERlike a thin v-neck t-shirt underneath
38:53SPEAKERlike a designed t-shirt as well.
38:57SPEAKER- I'm sure, man, I'd love to see that.
38:58SPEAKER- But just 'cause I tend to a little sweaty.
39:01SPEAKERI run a little sweaty when it's warm.
39:03SPEAKERAnd like I will change the undershirt before I get,
39:07SPEAKERlike I'll put a, I have a different set
39:09SPEAKERof sleeping undershirts that I put on before I get to bed
39:12SPEAKERso I can wear a nice clean shirt to bed.
39:15SPEAKER- Sure.
39:15SPEAKER- If I, if that's the way I'm rolling.
39:19SPEAKER- This is a lot of talk about sleepwear protocol.
39:24SPEAKER- Yeah, my sleeping, I'm gonna go and tell you,
39:25SPEAKERmy sleeping has changed dramatically
39:29SPEAKERsince we had a child who will frequently run
39:30SPEAKERinto the bedroom and jump into bed with us in the morning.
39:34SPEAKER- Children don't give an F.
39:35SPEAKER- No.
39:36SPEAKER- About your grime.
39:38SPEAKER- Well, no, no, it's not about the grime.
39:40SPEAKERIt's just that I used to not be a pajamas guy
39:42SPEAKERand now I'm a pajamas guy.
39:44SPEAKERI've lost a drawer basically.
39:46SPEAKER- Yes, but you've gained so much in comfort.
39:49SPEAKER- Man, I do like a nice pair of flannel pants.
39:51SPEAKER- All right, Discord questions.
39:54SPEAKERHere's one from name and number.
39:57SPEAKERDo you use YubiKeys?
39:58SPEAKERWhy or why not?
39:59SPEAKERWhat is the state of hardware two factor?
40:02SPEAKER- I do use YubiKeys.
40:03SPEAKER- Oh, well, la-di-da.
40:05SPEAKER- It's really nice.
40:06SPEAKERA lot of like when I log into GitHub, I just, it says,
40:09SPEAKER"Hey, what's your email address?"
40:11SPEAKERAnd it's like, "Hey, put the thing in and press it."
40:13SPEAKERAnd then I don't have to type the password, it just works.
40:15SPEAKERIt's fucking awesome.
40:16SPEAKER- Are there cross, I mean, not that you're necessarily
40:18SPEAKERworking across a lot of different operating systems,
40:20SPEAKERbut are there any cross-platform considerations there
40:23SPEAKERor is it like, I guess I'm wondering like,
40:25SPEAKERwhat's the protocol by which this hardware device
40:28SPEAKERis communicating with this webpage
40:30SPEAKERand would that work in macOS just as well
40:32SPEAKERor on any Linux environment?
40:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it works out.
40:35SPEAKERSo the ones I have are USB-A and NFC.
40:41SPEAKERSo I tap them on the back of my phone
40:44SPEAKERwhen I want to use the phone.
40:46SPEAKERThe only place they don't work is on the iPad.
40:47SPEAKERI probably need to get actually a USB-C one
40:49SPEAKERso I can use it on the iPad or an adapter.
40:53SPEAKERBut yeah, it's fantastic.
40:54SPEAKERI absolutely love it.
40:55SPEAKERIt's highly recommended and it lets you secure.
40:59SPEAKERIt gives you another way to retrieve things you've lost,
41:02SPEAKERwhich is important.
41:03SPEAKER- It does seem like, I mean,
41:04SPEAKERI'm certainly no security expert,
41:05SPEAKERbut it does seem like the best way
41:07SPEAKERto really make everything bulletproof.
41:09SPEAKERI just can't be bothered to bring another physical device
41:13SPEAKERthat I have to go find into the equation.
41:14SPEAKERNow that I have this watch, I very much enjoy,
41:16SPEAKERI use two-factor all over the place,
41:18SPEAKERbut I do it through an authenticator app
41:20SPEAKERthat now works on this watch, which is amazing
41:22SPEAKER'cause not having to go find a thing
41:25SPEAKERwhen you need to use Authy.
41:28SPEAKER- Man, I never thought about that.
41:29SPEAKERI wonder if I have one password on my watch too.
41:32SPEAKER- You don't do that?
41:33SPEAKER- No, it never even occurred to me.
41:34SPEAKER- It is like, I'm sorry for evangelizing
41:37SPEAKERthis damn watch so much,
41:38SPEAKERbut it has like made so many things
41:40SPEAKERmore convenient over time.
41:42SPEAKERAnd that might be the best one actually,
41:44SPEAKERnot having to go to find my phone
41:45SPEAKER'cause my phone is not always right by me.
41:48SPEAKERWhenever I want to log in anything now,
41:50SPEAKERthe code is right there on my wrist.
41:52SPEAKER- I'll have to look and see.
41:52SPEAKERI've never even considered using the watch for that.
41:59SPEAKERSo the thing about the hardware authentication
42:02SPEAKERis once you're logged in generally,
42:05SPEAKERyou don't have to worry about it for quite a long time.
42:08SPEAKERSo it lasts as long as my cookie does for the site,
42:11SPEAKERwhich means for GitHub, it's like three months or something.
42:14SPEAKERSo I don't actually have to sign in all that often.
42:17SPEAKERI just leave my, I don't even carry it on my key chain
42:19SPEAKERunless I'm traveling for a long time.
42:20SPEAKERSo when we go to the desert, I take it with me.
42:22SPEAKERBut if I'm here, then I don't bother
42:25SPEAKERor just like going on a weekend trip or something.
42:27SPEAKERI usually don't take it.
42:29SPEAKERAnd I have two, I have a spare and one's in the fire safe.
42:32SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't, I thought you could only have one.
42:34SPEAKER- No, no, you can do that.
42:35SPEAKER- Have as many as you want.
42:36SPEAKERIt depends on the account.
42:37SPEAKERLike that's a per account choice.
42:39SPEAKERSo the way it works is you plug it into the USB thing.
42:40SPEAKERIt shows up like a USB device.
42:42SPEAKERAnd I think it's just like a special,
42:45SPEAKERit acts almost like a USB data, like a thumb drive,
42:49SPEAKERbut it has some special stuff happening.
42:50SPEAKERIt's encrypted and there's a button you have to touch.
42:53SPEAKER- It continues to be absolutely baffling,
42:57SPEAKERbordering on comical at this point, how the inversion,
43:00SPEAKERthere's gotta be some pithy term for this.
43:02SPEAKERThe inverse relationship between how badly something needs
43:06SPEAKERto be secured and how poor their security is.
43:09SPEAKERI'm mostly talking about financial institutions,
43:14SPEAKERbanks, credit cards, let's say like the,
43:18SPEAKERthe internal revenue service, taxed infrastructure,
43:22SPEAKERthat type of thing.
43:23SPEAKERLike, why is it that the absolute worst security options
43:26SPEAKERare available on the things that you need to secure them?
43:29SPEAKERLike none of those things, none of those things
43:30SPEAKERhave two factor.
43:33SPEAKERAt best, they are sending SMS codes at this point.
43:38SPEAKERI just don't understand.
43:39SPEAKER- There are a couple of banks that support two factor.
43:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I like some of them more.
43:42SPEAKER- But it's unusual still.
43:44SPEAKER- Like the very stodgy old, extremely old institutions,
43:47SPEAKERjust that it's infuriating.
43:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.
43:53SPEAKERYeah, anyway, there's rules that keep them from doing things
43:56SPEAKERwhich is annoying.
43:57SPEAKER- Yes, yes.
43:58SPEAKERQuestion from Shags Magoo, is tech pod discord cred
44:01SPEAKERworth risking possible espionage and treason charges
44:04SPEAKERasking for a friend?
44:05SPEAKER- No.
44:07SPEAKERI mean, this is something really cool.
44:08SPEAKER- I'm gonna disagree and say yes.
44:11SPEAKER- Oh, you know what they're talking about?
44:12SPEAKER- If we have, if we have any,
44:14SPEAKERif there are any spies on the tech pod discord.
44:16SPEAKER- Oh, well, they're talking about the leak of,
44:19SPEAKERthe leak of department of defense documents
44:21SPEAKERfrom two, three, was that three weeks ago?
44:23SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, don't go to jail for the tech pod discord.
44:26SPEAKER- I assume you saw how that came about.
44:28SPEAKER- Some kid, somebody bragged at their
44:30SPEAKERwild discord or something?
44:32SPEAKER- 21 year old, well, he was a budding fascist.
44:36SPEAKER- Oh, wow, weird.
44:37SPEAKER- But he was like 21 year old IT worker
44:41SPEAKERwith top secret security clearance
44:43SPEAKERwho basically posted a bunch of extremely sensitive documents
44:46SPEAKERto basically impress his friends on discord
44:50SPEAKERand then surprised those documents got out
44:53SPEAKERand created a big international incident anyway.
44:56SPEAKERIf there are, if there are any spies on our discord,
45:00SPEAKERyour trade craft is secret or is safe with us.
45:03SPEAKER- I often, I often think about my friend
45:05SPEAKERwho was maybe the most relentlessly honest
45:08SPEAKERand decent person I know who wanted to work
45:11SPEAKERfor the government in a job that required a clearance
45:14SPEAKERand couldn't pass the polygraph
45:15SPEAKERbecause he was a generally anxious kind of guy.
45:17SPEAKER- Interesting.
45:18SPEAKER- And then I think about people like that
45:21SPEAKERwho have no problem passing the polygraph
45:22SPEAKER'cause they're clearly sociopaths.
45:24SPEAKER- Yes.
45:25SPEAKER- And yeah, anyway.
45:27SPEAKER- Oh man, I should not derail this conversation.
45:29SPEAKERWe should move on to another question.
45:30SPEAKERBut speaking of government work.
45:32SPEAKER- Yeah.
45:33SPEAKER- I started watching this HBO documentary
45:35SPEAKERabout the famous McDonald's Monopoly game scam.
45:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
45:39SPEAKER- What is it called?
45:40SPEAKERIt's based on an article that was like four years ago, right?
45:44SPEAKER- That may be the case.
45:45SPEAKERYes, it is called "McMillions" is the name of the document.
45:48SPEAKERIt's a six-part documentary series.
45:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
45:50SPEAKER- It is incredible.
45:51SPEAKERI've only gotten through the first episode,
45:52SPEAKERbut oh my God, it's incredible.
45:53SPEAKERLike it's like the whole thing is basically talking
45:56SPEAKERto the FBI agents who took down this ring
45:59SPEAKERof this criminal enterprise.
46:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:02SPEAKER- And like the amount of detail they go in there
46:04SPEAKERabout both like levels of authority within the FBI
46:07SPEAKERand like working undercover and all this stuff.
46:10SPEAKERLike it's very lighthearted, but it's super fascinating.
46:13SPEAKERI highly recommend it based on having seen one sixth of it.
46:17SPEAKER- I, in a similar note, a friend of the pod, Gary,
46:20SPEAKERwould have recommended "Devs" to me,
46:23SPEAKERwhich is a FX show with the guy from "Parks and Rec."
46:30SPEAKER- Which one?
46:31SPEAKERAdam Scott's?
46:31SPEAKER- No, the one with the mustache.
46:32SPEAKER- Chris Pratt's?
46:33SPEAKEROh, Nick Offerman.
46:34SPEAKER- Nick Offerman.
46:35SPEAKERIt's not a comedy.
46:36SPEAKERIt's a serious thing about computers.
46:38SPEAKERAnd the first two episodes are fabulous.
46:40SPEAKERReally, really good.
46:41SPEAKER- Is it, it's fictional?
46:42SPEAKERIt's not a-
46:43SPEAKER- It's a drama, yeah.
46:44SPEAKER- Okay.
46:45SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:46SPEAKERI'm not, don't look up anything about it
46:48SPEAKERif you're gonna watch it.
46:49SPEAKERJust watch it would be my advice.
46:50SPEAKER- Okay, I remember when that came out.
46:51SPEAKERI remember that getting some good buzz.
46:54SPEAKER- Okay, question from Meatball.
46:56SPEAKERI have an eight-year-old kiddo
46:57SPEAKERand we're about to build their first PC.
46:59SPEAKERI'm excited, but trying to dig through
47:01SPEAKERall the possible parental controls
47:02SPEAKERI should be putting in place
47:03SPEAKERother than being present when it's in use.
47:07SPEAKERI assume Will went through this in the recent past
47:09SPEAKERand was wondering if you guys have any good tips
47:11SPEAKERor ideas about parentally controlling a child's PC.
47:16SPEAKER- Okay, so this is a complicated topic
47:19SPEAKERand we could do a whole,
47:20SPEAKERwe actually probably should do a whole episode about this.
47:23SPEAKERThe short answer for this is that
47:25SPEAKERif you have an eight-year-old
47:26SPEAKERand you're gonna give them a computer,
47:27SPEAKERthey probably aren't interested in any of the things
47:30SPEAKERthat are gonna get them in trouble at that age.
47:32SPEAKERAt least none of the kids that I know
47:35SPEAKERare going to be seeking out,
47:36SPEAKERlike they're not gonna use Google, frankly.
47:39SPEAKERIf you put them on YouTube Kids and Google
47:42SPEAKERand don't let them access,
47:43SPEAKERso you turn safe search to maximum
47:46SPEAKERso that if they do accidentally type something in,
47:48SPEAKERit's nothing, they don't get anything bad,
47:50SPEAKERthat's probably fine.
47:51SPEAKERMy advice is to make sure that the computer
47:54SPEAKERis a thing that's only used in common areas
47:56SPEAKERwhere there's other people around
47:58SPEAKERand spend time with them while they're using the computer.
48:00SPEAKERSo it's the same,
48:03SPEAKERkids are exposed to social online things much earlier
48:06SPEAKERnow than they were even 10 years ago
48:08SPEAKERwith Roblox and Minecraft and Fortnite and all that stuff.
48:12SPEAKERSo you need to spend,
48:15SPEAKERespecially when you're starting out
48:16SPEAKERand they're most interested
48:18SPEAKERand most likely to listen to you,
48:20SPEAKERspend time with them showing them how to do stuff
48:23SPEAKERand showing them what's right and what's not
48:25SPEAKERand use those opportunities to talk about
48:27SPEAKERbehaviors that are inappropriate
48:28SPEAKERand things that they don't wanna see
48:30SPEAKERand plant the idea that they will see some shit
48:33SPEAKERon the internet that will fuck them up real bad.
48:35SPEAKER- Yikes.
48:37SPEAKER- But seriously, my daughter is not afraid of the internet
48:41SPEAKERbut she's like, "I don't wanna see something
48:44SPEAKER"that's going to warp my fragile little mind."
48:47SPEAKERAnd it's not about fear, she just doesn't wanna see,
48:52SPEAKERshe's seen people get hurt on YouTube, she doesn't like that.
48:56SPEAKERNow at the same time, we spent 10 minutes watching
48:58SPEAKERan 11 foot eight dot com video last night
49:01SPEAKERwhich is the website for that,
49:03SPEAKERthere's a bridge in like Boston or New Hampshire
49:06SPEAKERor someplace that's like 11 feet eight
49:08SPEAKERand it's just a montage of trucks can opening their roofs
49:12SPEAKERas they try to go underneath the trestle
49:13SPEAKERand they can't fit, she's all about that.
49:15SPEAKERShe just doesn't like violence against people.
49:17SPEAKERSo that's my advice.
49:21SPEAKERSo safe search on, use the computer only in a public area,
49:25SPEAKERin a common area of the house and spend time.
49:29SPEAKERSpend time with them when you're starting out,
49:32SPEAKERdon't let them use it unsupervised
49:34SPEAKERuntil you're pretty confident that they're not gonna go
49:36SPEAKERfor things that are bad.
49:36SPEAKERAnd if they seem interested in things that are bad,
49:39SPEAKERthen that's when you invest in the parental control stuff.
49:43SPEAKERBut the parental control stuff,
49:44SPEAKERit'll work for a couple of years
49:46SPEAKERand then as soon as they're interested in it,
49:48SPEAKERthey'll start Googling things that will let them bypass
49:50SPEAKERthe parental controls and then you have a real problem.
49:53SPEAKERYou don't wanna start that fight if you don't have to.
49:55SPEAKER- Yeah, indeed, some good advice.
49:57SPEAKER- So it's like land campaigns in Southeast Asia,
50:00SPEAKERyou can't win that.
50:01SPEAKER- Yeah, question from E.W.Kinder
50:06SPEAKERis how I've always said that username in my head.
50:09SPEAKER- I thought they were kinder, but okay.
50:11SPEAKER- You kinder.
50:13SPEAKER- You kinder.
50:14SPEAKER- Any thoughts on Imgur removing large swaths of old images,
50:18SPEAKERincluding porn,
50:19SPEAKERbut also removing images not uploaded from accounts?
50:21SPEAKERI didn't, I don't know what the porn policy is there,
50:23SPEAKERbut I've, the thing I've seen people talking about
50:25SPEAKERis what they're doing is they are apparently purging,
50:28SPEAKERpresumably all images that have been uploaded
50:31SPEAKERto Imgur over time that were not done
50:32SPEAKERwith registered accounts, but just anonymously.
50:35SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:35SPEAKER- Which seems like potentially a like tremendous amount
50:39SPEAKERof internet history to just flush down the toilet.
50:42SPEAKER- It is an enormous amount of the images
50:45SPEAKERthat have been posted on Reddit,
50:46SPEAKER'cause for a long time it was the default way
50:47SPEAKERthat images got posted on Reddit.
50:49SPEAKER- I didn't even know that,
50:50SPEAKERbut it's also used everywhere else.
50:51SPEAKERYou know, like it's all like, I just,
50:53SPEAKERhow many broken image links are there going to be
50:56SPEAKERafter this comes to pass out there?
50:58SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gonna be a lot.
50:59SPEAKERIt's, you know, obviously it's their service
51:02SPEAKERand they, you know, they know what they're hosting.
51:05SPEAKERLike there may be legitimate business reasons
51:07SPEAKERfor them to do this, but boy.
51:10SPEAKER- I don't think they gave actual reasons for doing this.
51:12SPEAKERMy guess is that it's related to payment processors
51:17SPEAKERbeing upset that there's unregulated
51:19SPEAKERand untracked pornography on the site
51:21SPEAKERand they don't wanna take credit card charges
51:23SPEAKERfrom sites like that, which affected,
51:26SPEAKERI think, YouPorn a couple of years ago.
51:28SPEAKERThey seem to have rebounded, like the YouPorn business
51:30SPEAKERdoesn't seem to be collapsing as a result of that.
51:33SPEAKERIt's a little bit different situation,
51:34SPEAKER'cause there's also like, YouPorn has like a, you know,
51:37SPEAKERa Patreon or OnlyFans style subscription business going now
51:41SPEAKERfor people who are verified and authenticated.
51:46SPEAKERThis feels more like a Tumblr situation, though,
51:49SPEAKERwhere the moment the adult content
51:51SPEAKERand kind of the unfiltered rawness of the internet went away,
51:55SPEAKERthe entire thing collapsed to the point
51:57SPEAKERthat WordPress bought the site for, you know,
51:59SPEAKERa thousandth of what Verizon bought it for
52:02SPEAKERa few years before, or Yahoo rather, but.
52:05SPEAKER- Even just thinking about the number of,
52:08SPEAKERlike the number of like esoteric computing problems
52:10SPEAKERthat I Google for like that one,
52:12SPEAKERthat one golden forum thread or stack exchange post
52:15SPEAKERthat has the info on how to fix
52:17SPEAKERand the number of those that have links
52:19SPEAKERto eight or 10 year old imager images
52:21SPEAKERthat show details about what you're doing
52:24SPEAKERthat are going to break.
52:25SPEAKERIt's enough images being lost that if somebody wrote
52:28SPEAKERan imager to archive.org extension for the browser,
52:32SPEAKERI would consider installing it.
52:34SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:35SPEAKER- Because like, we're gonna see,
52:36SPEAKERlike your point is absolutely correct,
52:38SPEAKERthere are going to be an insane number of broken links
52:42SPEAKERto imager when they enact this policy.
52:45SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, you're totally right though,
52:48SPEAKERand even think about it,
52:49SPEAKERlike I'm sure there's already some like massive
52:51SPEAKERand very organized and diligence archival project underway.
52:55SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the archive.org people are always like,
52:59SPEAKERthis is one of the things I miss is leaving Twitter,
53:00SPEAKERI don't see Jason Scott posting
53:02SPEAKERabout what they're working on as much.
53:05SPEAKERThey're absolutely working on it,
53:06SPEAKERthey're never gonna get everything
53:07SPEAKER'cause it's too broad and I assume there's no API access
53:10SPEAKERto give them like broad swaths of the files.
53:13SPEAKER- Sure.
53:14SPEAKER- So it's a bummer.
53:15SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:17SPEAKERQuestion from Yabs.
53:20SPEAKERThe shitty.blog post about the tomato soup recipe
53:23SPEAKERand after tomato soup recipe,
53:26SPEAKERit just says in parentheses, good.
53:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:29SPEAKERWell, that's the name of the recipe.
53:31SPEAKERI have three tomato soup recipes in my Pinterest
53:33SPEAKERand this is the good one.
53:35SPEAKER- That was your naming for the recipe.
53:36SPEAKER- That was my name, yeah.
53:37SPEAKER- Yes, it's tomato soup recipe, good.
53:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:41SPEAKER- The shitty.blog post about the tomato soup recipe
53:43SPEAKERmentions that the recipe is pulled from your paprika.
53:47SPEAKERAs someone whose recipe organization strategy
53:49SPEAKERis nearly non-existent,
53:51SPEAKERjust curious about the pros and cons of paprika
53:53SPEAKERas a solution and wondering if you have any experience
53:56SPEAKERwith false alternatives.
53:57SPEAKER- So I set up paprika a long time ago
54:01SPEAKERwhen I moved off of Evernote,
54:02SPEAKERwhich is not a false alternative,
54:03SPEAKERbut Evernote, when I started doing recipes in Evernote
54:07SPEAKERa decade and change ago, probably at this point,
54:10SPEAKERthey let you have multiple devices connect them
54:11SPEAKERand they started wanting to charge you $10 a month
54:13SPEAKERto connect more than two devices.
54:16SPEAKEREvernote became a non-viable solution for me
54:19SPEAKER'cause like I don't,
54:20SPEAKERit's a thing that I'm willing to spend like 50 bucks on once
54:24SPEAKERbut I didn't want to have a $120 annual charge to use.
54:28SPEAKERI moved all of my recipes out of Evernote
54:32SPEAKERand I think Gina still has some of hers there
54:34SPEAKERwhich is an unfortunate thing.
54:37SPEAKERBut I absolutely love paprika.
54:39SPEAKERThere's three things that it does really well.
54:41SPEAKEROne is the recipes.
54:44SPEAKERObviously, it stores the source material
54:47SPEAKERso if you paste a link into paprika,
54:50SPEAKERit will go and scrape that page
54:51SPEAKERand pull the ingredients block out.
54:54SPEAKERIt pulls the blog post out and puts it entirely,
54:56SPEAKERit saves it but keeps it separate
54:57SPEAKERin case there's a viable duration there.
54:59SPEAKERAnd then it puts the steps in a separate thing.
55:01SPEAKER- That's cool.
55:02SPEAKERI guess I didn't even think about it.
55:03SPEAKERLike the general formatting around ingredient lists
55:06SPEAKERon recipes is probably unique enough
55:08SPEAKERthat it's very easy to scrape that out
55:10SPEAKERand make it so, wow, that's cool.
55:11SPEAKER- Well, they do a good job of building individual scrapers
55:16SPEAKERfor specific food sites.
55:17SPEAKERLike you can log into the America's Test Kitchen site
55:20SPEAKERand grab their recipes.
55:21SPEAKERYou can log into Serious Eats, it grabs theirs.
55:24SPEAKERChef's Steps, it grabs theirs.
55:25SPEAKERAll of the big food blogs like Smitten Kitchen
55:28SPEAKERand those, it works with.
55:30SPEAKERSo that part is really, really good
55:33SPEAKERand because it has the ingredients,
55:35SPEAKERthey also have done a really nice,
55:38SPEAKERit has a recipe planner, a meal planner.
55:40SPEAKERSo if you plan your meals for the week
55:42SPEAKERand you have your recipes in and the ingredients are right,
55:44SPEAKERwhich was always the hard part of doing digital recipes
55:47SPEAKERbefore, then you can generate a shopping list
55:51SPEAKERwith like the pantry items that you always have
55:53SPEAKERlike flour and sugar and eggs removed.
55:55SPEAKERSo you'll say, okay, I'm making chili on Tuesday
55:59SPEAKERand I'm making pizza on Friday
56:00SPEAKERand I need sandwiches for lunch.
56:02SPEAKERAnd you can generate a kitchen,
56:04SPEAKERa shopping list that's organized by aisle
56:07SPEAKERin the grocery store, which like cuts the time
56:12SPEAKERon that work down pretty dramatically.
56:15SPEAKERIt means that like, and also you could save,
56:18SPEAKERyou could save meals.
56:19SPEAKERLike we have our, like our complete Thanksgiving spread
56:22SPEAKERis just in there with your mom's casserole
56:24SPEAKERand our stuffing and my pies and all that.
56:26SPEAKERSo like we just have the list ready to go.
56:29SPEAKER- That's cool.
56:30SPEAKER- Yeah, and the two, the other thing is
56:34SPEAKERyou can make a shortcutlet, a bookmarklet
56:38SPEAKERthat will automatically send the recipes
56:40SPEAKERto your Paprika account that just lives in your browser.
56:43SPEAKERSo if I'm sitting on my desktop computer
56:45SPEAKERand I'm browsing, I can send it over there
56:47SPEAKERwithout having to have the Paprika client on my computer.
56:50SPEAKERAnd like, it'll show up on my iPad
56:52SPEAKERand my phone automatically.
56:54SPEAKERAnd frankly, the iPad view is gorgeous
56:57SPEAKER'cause you have the ingredients on one side,
56:58SPEAKERthe directions on the other.
56:59SPEAKERYou can scroll, it'll play the videos.
57:01SPEAKERIt's really good.
57:02SPEAKERIt's worth spending money on.
57:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm looking, it's five bucks on iOS.
57:06SPEAKEROn Android, it looks, it says in app.
57:07SPEAKERI assume you just buy it in the app there,
57:09SPEAKERbut I assume it's probably also five bucks.
57:11SPEAKER- So I think about the same.
57:12SPEAKER- On the App Store, it is number one in food and drinks.
57:14SPEAKERSo quite popular.
57:15SPEAKER- Yeah, they price things based on the number of users.
57:19SPEAKERSo like the PC client is way more expensive
57:22SPEAKERthan the iOS and Android clients
57:23SPEAKERbecause they have a smaller user base for that,
57:26SPEAKERbut it still costs a fair amount of money to develop.
57:28SPEAKERSo like if you wanna get the PC version,
57:30SPEAKERthen it's like 20 bucks or something.
57:33SPEAKERBut I have found it to be a very good piece of software.
57:37SPEAKERI've bought it like 10 years ago at this point,
57:39SPEAKERmaybe eight years ago, and it's lasted a long time.
57:42SPEAKER- Yeah, that looks essential if you cook a lot.
57:44SPEAKER- I use it three or four times a week easily.
57:47SPEAKER- All right, last question from Milhouse Phoenix for Will.
57:51SPEAKERDo the birds have names yet?
57:52SPEAKER- I don't know about naming wild animals.
57:55SPEAKER- I think it's fine.
57:57SPEAKERIt's not binding.
57:59SPEAKER- But I like, I don't know, you know,
58:02SPEAKERI don't know her person.
58:03SPEAKERI know her personality a little bit.
58:04SPEAKERShe mostly sits around and then gets really excited
58:05SPEAKERwhen the food comes.
58:08SPEAKERWe're still, we're getting close to the hatching,
58:10SPEAKERpotential hatching window.
58:12SPEAKER- Hatch watch is on?
58:13SPEAKER- Hatch watch is on.
58:14SPEAKERI don't know.
58:15SPEAKERI'm very interested to see how this goes.
58:18SPEAKERApparently once they hatch,
58:19SPEAKERit's another like two or three weeks
58:20SPEAKERbefore they leave the nest, so.
58:21SPEAKER- Okay, I've got a little bit of a window there then.
58:24SPEAKERAny idea how many eggs there are?
58:25SPEAKER- There's five last time I looked on Monday.
58:27SPEAKERIt started out with three, then a fourth appeared,
58:29SPEAKERand now we're up to five.
58:31SPEAKERSo yeah, it's pretty exciting times at Smith House.
58:35SPEAKER- Yeah, tune in to tight progressive burb play.
58:39SPEAKER- Yeah, we got the burbs.
58:41SPEAKER- The burbs, except for from eight until 10-ish weeknights,
58:46SPEAKERthere's, it's 24/7 burbs.
58:48SPEAKER- Yes.
58:49SPEAKER- Although I have to say this IP camera I bought,
58:52SPEAKERkind of the stream glitches out occasionally
58:54SPEAKERin a way that like, I think I'm gonna have to write a script
58:57SPEAKERthat opens and closes the source on my OBS
59:03SPEAKERevery once in a while, which is kind of obnoxious.
59:07SPEAKERI feel like I shouldn't have to do that.
59:08SPEAKER- Yeah, that is annoying.
59:10SPEAKERDo you have to restart it on the camera
59:11SPEAKERor does the camera keep sending its feed cleanly?
59:14SPEAKER- So I reboot the camera like once a week
59:17SPEAKER'cause it seems to happen more often
59:19SPEAKERwhen the camera has been up for a long time.
59:21SPEAKERBut generally speaking,
59:22SPEAKERI just have to start and stop the stream
59:24SPEAKER'cause I have it, like it's just disconnecting
59:26SPEAKERand reconnecting to the RTSP stream.
59:28SPEAKER- That should be automatable.
59:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I can do it with bit focus or something.
59:34SPEAKERIt's no problem, but yeah.
59:35SPEAKERIt's just, I feel like it's something I shouldn't have to do.
59:37SPEAKER- Yes.
59:38SPEAKERBrad, I think that's the end of our questions and answers.
59:41SPEAKERI think we had an enormous crop of good questions this month
59:44SPEAKERso we might continue it on the patron episode this month
59:46SPEAKERif that sounds good to you.
59:47SPEAKER- Yes, we might do that.
59:49SPEAKERAlthough I sure do have a lot of PC stuff
59:51SPEAKERto talk about as well.
59:52SPEAKER- I mean, we could do that too.
59:54SPEAKERYeah.
59:55SPEAKER- Some of both.
59:56SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:57SPEAKERBut we've reached the end of the show,
59:58SPEAKERwhich is when we thank our patrons as always.
1:00:01SPEAKERThank you, patrons.
1:00:02SPEAKERWe appreciate you.
1:00:03SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.
1:00:04SPEAKERThank you, patrons.
1:00:05SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:00:06SPEAKERIf you would like to find out how to support the show,
1:00:08SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.
1:00:11SPEAKERAgain, that's patreon.com/techpod.
1:00:13SPEAKERAnd for five bucks a month, you can join the Discord.
1:00:15SPEAKERYou get access to the patron episode,
1:00:17SPEAKERwhich is kind of rambly most of the time,
1:00:19SPEAKERbut sometimes it's not.
1:00:20SPEAKERI don't know.
1:00:23SPEAKERIt's like stream of consciousness.
1:00:25SPEAKERHere's the things we're interested in right now every month
1:00:28SPEAKERthat we don't talk about on the main show.
1:00:32SPEAKERI'm gonna thank our patrons now.
1:00:33SPEAKERWe have a bunch of them.
1:00:34SPEAKERSo thank you to Octothorpe Bunny Crimes,
1:00:37SPEAKERAndrew Slosky, Brad's Midsize Hoodoo Voodoo Switcheroo,
1:00:40SPEAKERPaddle Creek Games Makers of Fractured Veil,
1:00:43SPEAKERDavid Allen, James Kamek, Joel Krauska, Just Wedge,
1:00:47SPEAKERNick Johnston, and Twinkle Twinkie.
1:00:49SPEAKERThose are our executive producers here, patrons.
1:00:51SPEAKERBut since it's the end of the month,
1:00:52SPEAKERwe also thank our associate producer tier patrons,
1:00:55SPEAKERincluding Alejandro Navarro, Andre M. Burke,
1:00:58SPEAKERArthur Gies, Ben Tolman, Dave Ullian, Eric Klein,
1:01:02SPEAKERGraham Banks, Chad Rita, Jason Rooney the ref,
1:01:05SPEAKERJay Mabey, Matt Walker, parentheses Walkman8080,
1:01:09SPEAKERclose parentheses, Nathan Phelps, Sanchik Kumar,
1:01:12SPEAKERSteve Lin, Thomas Shea, and Tom Hilton.
1:01:15SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.
1:01:16SPEAKER- Yes, thank you, thank you.
1:01:18SPEAKER- Our friends over at Good Day Internet do a thing
1:01:19SPEAKERwhere they thank the newest patron too,
1:01:21SPEAKERwhich I think is an interesting idea.
1:01:24SPEAKER- That's a neat idea.
1:01:26SPEAKER- Yeah, and I'm going to do that right now
1:01:31SPEAKERif I can figure out how to do it,
1:01:33SPEAKERhow to find the most recent patron.
1:01:35SPEAKER- Let's put your Patreon user list filtering skills
1:01:39SPEAKERto the test in real time.
1:01:40SPEAKER- Oh, this isn't going great.
1:01:44SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.
1:01:45SPEAKER- I can't make the windows.
1:01:47SPEAKERI thought this was going to be a good segment.
1:01:48SPEAKERIt's a bad segment.
1:01:49SPEAKEROh, hey, joint date, hold on.
1:01:51SPEAKER- I don't know about my ability to fill.
1:01:53SPEAKER- No, no, you got this.
1:01:54SPEAKERWhy is this window so, why is it not?
1:01:56SPEAKEROh my God, why is it?
1:01:58SPEAKERPatreon, why are you not making the window wider?
1:02:00SPEAKERCome on, man.
1:02:01SPEAKER- You can't talk to websites, I'm sorry.
1:02:03SPEAKER- Not yet.
1:02:03SPEAKER- I'm not allowed to talk to a website.
1:02:05SPEAKER- Maybe we can do whatever we want.
1:02:06SPEAKER- Can I tell you, I was playing Dead Island 2 last night
1:02:10SPEAKERand it wanted me to hook it up to Alexa
1:02:13SPEAKERso I could yell at the zombies.
1:02:16SPEAKER- Oh, okay, we have to end this.
1:02:18SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
1:02:19SPEAKERIt's Luke Donnelly is our newest patron.
1:02:21SPEAKERSo thanks, Luke.
1:02:22SPEAKER- Thank you, thank you, Luke.
1:02:23SPEAKER- Welcome, hello.
1:02:24SPEAKERI'll play this better next week, I promise.
1:02:26SPEAKER- Do not hook Alexa into your video games, I'm sorry.
1:02:28SPEAKERJust don't.
1:02:29SPEAKER- Hey, zombie, you can lure him into traps.
1:02:31SPEAKERYou can make ruses.
1:02:33SPEAKER- I don't know, man, I don't know.
1:02:34SPEAKER- Seems like a bad idea.
1:02:36SPEAKERSee y'all next week.