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181: Hatch Watch Is On

2023-04-30 · 1:02:37

00:00SPEAKER- There is a new enemy.

00:03SPEAKER- Well, that's ominous.

00:04SPEAKER- Acoustics.

00:06SPEAKER- Oh, no.

00:07SPEAKERPlease tell me you're getting into guitars.

00:08SPEAKER- No, no, no, no.

00:10SPEAKER- Oh.

00:11SPEAKER- I'm not soldering any effects pedals over here just yet.

00:14SPEAKER- Well, I was hoping you were into acoustic guitars.

00:16SPEAKERYou wouldn't be soldering effects pedals for that.

00:18SPEAKER- Look, I have a couple of acoustic guitars.

00:19SPEAKERThey have their place.

00:20SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

00:21SPEAKER- Okay, probably most everybody listening knows

00:24SPEAKERI'm on a new PC at this point,

00:26SPEAKERbut for a variety of reasons that I've only,

00:29SPEAKERokay, I'm on day six, day five, day six

00:32SPEAKERof actually like using it as my PC, my main,

00:37SPEAKERmy daily driver.

00:38SPEAKER- You doing like streams from it and stuff?

00:39SPEAKERYou playing?

00:40SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I'm fully, just for various reasons.

00:42SPEAKERI had to replace the case

00:43SPEAKERand I was doing some benchmarking and general testing

00:47SPEAKERand XYZ, I didn't want to interrupt my workflow

00:50SPEAKERby swapping PCs midweek.

00:53SPEAKERI didn't actually like fully move all the hardware over

00:56SPEAKERand install a good permanent Windows install and stuff

00:58SPEAKERuntil last Sunday, so I'm only,

01:00SPEAKERI'm only a few days into like ironing out issues

01:02SPEAKERand actually daily driving it.

01:04SPEAKER- But you have played like "Son of the Forest."

01:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I've been playing games on it.

01:08SPEAKER- Playing the video games.

01:08SPEAKER- Streaming from it, all kinds of stuff.

01:10SPEAKERBut there are a couple of hilarious acoustics issues.

01:14SPEAKER- Oh no.

01:15SPEAKER- That I've never really had to deal with before.

01:17SPEAKER- So the cavernous reverb of your cooler

01:19SPEAKERbecause of the size of that enormous case.

01:21SPEAKER- So the exhaust fan, when it hits, this is bizarre,

01:25SPEAKERwhen it hits a very specific speed,

01:27SPEAKERit can't be more than about a hundred RPM.

01:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

01:30SPEAKER- Plus or minus, it's somewhere around 1200 RPM.

01:33SPEAKERIt just starts making this droning sound.

01:36SPEAKERLike I can't, I couldn't even verbally replicate it.

01:38SPEAKERIt is just a high pitched hum.

01:41SPEAKERAnd like, if I hold my hand in front of the exhaust,

01:43SPEAKERit stops.

01:44SPEAKERLike I literally, it seems like just like diverting

01:46SPEAKERsome of the airflow stops it.

01:49SPEAKERAnd then also on the CPU cooler, the front fan,

01:53SPEAKERnot the main one, but the sort of optional one

01:55SPEAKERthat goes on the front of that cooler.

01:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

01:58SPEAKER- When it also hits a very specific RPM,

01:59SPEAKERit sounds like a biplane.

02:01SPEAKERSo it's like a classic 1920s, like.

02:05SPEAKER- You, this is a fan control problem, right?

02:09SPEAKER- That's literally it is I think I'm gonna have to like,

02:12SPEAKERyou tell me, I think I'm gonna have to literally look

02:15SPEAKERat the fan curves and just find a place

02:16SPEAKERwhere I go straight vertical.

02:18SPEAKERLike the second that it's going to hit

02:19SPEAKERone of those weird RPM windows,

02:21SPEAKERI need to just like make it go up another hundred RPM.

02:24SPEAKER- I also might grab those rubber,

02:26SPEAKERthose rubber stoppers that they ship with those fans.

02:30SPEAKER- I might give that a try,

02:32SPEAKERbut it really seems like it is an airflow thing.

02:34SPEAKERLike it is just.

02:35SPEAKER- And you're sure it's the back fans, not the front red?

02:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I've tested like manually stopping fans

02:41SPEAKERto figure out which ones are doing it.

02:42SPEAKERBut again, it's not a vibrating or buzzing thing.

02:45SPEAKERIt is literally like, I think that way aerodynamically,

02:48SPEAKERthe way the air is flowing over stuff,

02:50SPEAKERI think is what's causing this.

02:51SPEAKER- Huh.

02:52SPEAKER- I think I just need to make those two fans

02:55SPEAKERjust never need to go these very specific speeds.

02:58SPEAKERSo I've got to like,

02:59SPEAKERI've got to get like real creative with the fan curves.

03:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say with as many fans

03:02SPEAKERas you have on the front,

03:04SPEAKERyou probably can get away with not ever spinning up

03:07SPEAKERthat exhaust fan all the way.

03:08SPEAKER- Really?

03:09SPEAKER- Like that exhaust fan like should be,

03:12SPEAKERif you have to spin it up to a hundred percent,

03:14SPEAKERlike shit should be on fire inside your case.

03:16SPEAKER- Yeah, also to be clear, I haven't even touched fan curves.

03:18SPEAKERThis is literally whatever

03:19SPEAKERthe default motherboard profile is.

03:21SPEAKERSo I just literally have done zero work

03:23SPEAKERon actually tweaking fans.

03:25SPEAKER- So go to getfancontrol.com.

03:27SPEAKER- So I've got that running.

03:28SPEAKERI've actually, I've got fan control.

03:30SPEAKERI just haven't done the stuff yet,

03:32SPEAKERbut I just think it's hilarious.

03:33SPEAKERIt's like, I think it's like right around 1200 RPM

03:36SPEAKERon that exhaust fan when the hum kicks in.

03:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I can't imagine you'll ever run that thing

03:40SPEAKERat 1200 RPMs.

03:42SPEAKERWhat's the top speed on those 1500?

03:44SPEAKER- I think it tops out at 15, they're 140 millimeter.

03:47SPEAKER- Well, like the whole point of putting a big giant,

03:49SPEAKERthree big giant fans on the front of your case.

03:52SPEAKERI mean, making positive pressure inside

03:53SPEAKERthat enormous case is gonna be impossible, right?

03:55SPEAKER'Cause it's too big and there's too many holes.

03:57SPEAKER- I thought that, I just assumed the exhaust fan

03:59SPEAKERneeded to go pretty fast 'cause there's only one of them.

04:01SPEAKER- Well, no, 'cause it's gonna blow,

04:03SPEAKERyou're gonna blow a lot of air in

04:05SPEAKERand all the excess air is gonna blow out the sides.

04:07SPEAKERSo that exhaust fan is just to keep air moving.

04:10SPEAKERLike it's to keep the exhaust,

04:12SPEAKERwell, you're using an air cooler.

04:14SPEAKERSo it's to keep the exhaust from the air cooler moving

04:16SPEAKERand it's to keep air moving over the VRMs and stuff

04:19SPEAKERaround the fan.

04:20SPEAKERBut since you have the CPU cooler, that does that too, right?

04:23SPEAKERLike you're, like in my situation,

04:26SPEAKER'cause I have a water cooler and an all-in-one block,

04:28SPEAKERI have to have an active fan blowing on those

04:31SPEAKERor else they get too hot.

04:34SPEAKERSo yeah, it's a weird, I mean,

04:37SPEAKERyou're gonna get in fan control

04:39SPEAKERand you're gonna spend like five minutes

04:40SPEAKERand it's gonna be about 80% better.

04:42SPEAKERAnd then you can noodle with those curves

04:44SPEAKERand just bypass the specific frequencies that are a problem.

04:47SPEAKER- Considering both of those fans are not super essential,

04:49SPEAKERactually might just lock them at a speed

04:51SPEAKERand not worry about it.

04:53SPEAKER- You could do that too.

04:54SPEAKERI mean, I, so I, my general rule is for stuff like that,

05:00SPEAKERI keep the curve totally flat

05:02SPEAKERat whatever speed I want it to run.

05:04SPEAKERAnd then when he gets up to like a temperature

05:05SPEAKERthat seems like it's approaching scary, I spin it up.

05:08SPEAKER- Oh, that's a good idea.

05:09SPEAKER- Which also, like that gives me the warning,

05:12SPEAKERlike the audible warning that something's not quite right.

05:14SPEAKER- Doing the fan control setup

05:16SPEAKERwhere like the way the fan control auto detects ranges

05:19SPEAKERis by spinning things up to a hundred and then zero.

05:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:23SPEAKER- And not knowing what the motherboard alarm sounded like

05:25SPEAKERfor, hey, the CPU fan is not working,

05:28SPEAKERwas a, I don't know what it's like on your board.

05:31SPEAKERThat was a fun wake up call of like,

05:33SPEAKERwow, there's an interesting sound coming out of there.

05:35SPEAKERAnd it's just because it had stopped the CPU fan

05:37SPEAKERand that was some kind of fail safe alarm.

05:39SPEAKER- Yeah, mine, I have to turn that alarm off

05:41SPEAKER'cause I have the water cooling thing.

05:43SPEAKERSo it's a little different setup.

05:46SPEAKERBut yeah, so do that and see what it is.

05:50SPEAKERPay attention to the hysteresis

05:52SPEAKERbecause that's what controls how quickly it responds.

05:58SPEAKER- Sure.

05:59SPEAKER- So that'll make it bypass those.

06:01SPEAKERThat'll help, like you may not have to make the steep curve

06:04SPEAKER'cause if you set the hysteresis right,

06:06SPEAKERit may not even be a problem.

06:08SPEAKERWe got straight into content here today.

06:10SPEAKER- Here's an alternative strategy.

06:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:12SPEAKER- What if instead of thinking that that CPU fan

06:14SPEAKERsounds like a biplane,

06:16SPEAKERI convinced myself it sounds like a motorcycle.

06:19SPEAKER- Biplanes are cool too, man.

06:20SPEAKER- Okay, well, it's just some kind of badass engine

06:23SPEAKERand they're revving up, man.

06:24SPEAKERThis thing is so powerful, it's like, rah, rah, rah.

06:27SPEAKER- Oh man, the future of cool engines is humming.

06:30SPEAKER(humming)

06:35SPEAKERI could do this for like 10 minutes.

06:37SPEAKERThis is a cold open right here.

06:38SPEAKER(upbeat music)

07:06SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

07:09SPEAKERI'm Will.

07:09SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

07:10SPEAKER- Brad, it's my favorite episode of the month.

07:13SPEAKER- Is it?

07:14SPEAKER- It's time to answer the emails.

07:16SPEAKERIt's time to turn the questions

07:18SPEAKERthat are seeking answers into answers.

07:21SPEAKER- We're gonna apply our patented scientific formula.

07:24SPEAKER- Do we have a patented scientific formula?

07:25SPEAKER- Original recipe.

07:27SPEAKER- Does that mean, wait, that would mean we're eligible

07:29SPEAKERfor a research credit, research and development credit

07:31SPEAKERif we have a patented scientific formula.

07:33SPEAKERThat's exciting, tax credits are very exciting to me.

07:36SPEAKERThis time of year, I don't know why.

07:38SPEAKER- We're gonna fry up some original recipe

07:39SPEAKERand extra crispy answers over here.

07:41SPEAKER- Oh man, okay, we ordered some KFC the other day.

07:43SPEAKER- Wait, really?

07:44SPEAKER- Yeah, we went and got, it was like a nice,

07:46SPEAKERit was that first, you know that first like spring afternoon

07:50SPEAKERand it's nice out and you're like.

07:51SPEAKER- Ah, the first chicken bucket of spring.

07:53SPEAKER- Oh man, I could go for some fried chicken

07:55SPEAKERand I was gonna try to go pick it up at Popeyes,

07:58SPEAKERbut there's no drive through at Popeyes.

08:00SPEAKERAnd I'll tell you, the Popeyes near me is in a place

08:05SPEAKERwhere you have to, parking is a challenge.

08:07SPEAKERLike you usually have to park and walk

08:08SPEAKERfrom like a different parking lot across a busy street.

08:11SPEAKERAnd I didn't wanna die for fried,

08:13SPEAKERI mean, look, I'm eating fried chicken.

08:14SPEAKERIt's not something you do

08:15SPEAKERif you wanna live a long, healthy life.

08:17SPEAKER- Fair.

08:18SPEAKER- But I didn't wanna die

08:20SPEAKERwith the bucket of fried chicken in my hand.

08:22SPEAKERSo I went to KFC.

08:25SPEAKER- Some people might argue there's no better way to go,

08:27SPEAKERbut you know.

08:28SPEAKER- Look, we can't all be Vinny Caravellas, Brad.

08:31SPEAKER- But yeah, it was, like you ordered the bucket online now

08:37SPEAKERand then go pick it up in the,

08:38SPEAKERthen they have it waiting for you when you get there,

08:40SPEAKERlike a little Caesar's hot and ready.

08:42SPEAKERAnd I'm gonna tell you, fried chicken, pretty tasty.

08:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:46SPEAKER- Felt real bad the next day.

08:47SPEAKERIt was like I had a chicken hangover.

08:49SPEAKER- That will happen, that will happen.

08:51SPEAKERThe older I get, the more like,

08:53SPEAKERthe more I really have to weigh the like,

08:56SPEAKERhow much do I want to enjoy this indulgence

08:58SPEAKERversus how much do I wanna pay for it later?

08:59SPEAKERWhether it's like, whether it's drinking or eating bad food

09:02SPEAKERor literally anything.

09:03SPEAKERIt's like, maybe I should just work out every day

09:06SPEAKERand eat salads all the time from now on.

09:09SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it's like, I make my choices.

09:12SPEAKERYou know, there's that study.

09:13SPEAKERThere's a weird study that nobody understands why it exists,

09:17SPEAKERbut apparently men who eat two servings of ice cream a week

09:21SPEAKERtend to have a reduced chance of like diabetes

09:24SPEAKERand heart disease and three other things

09:26SPEAKERthat do not go in line with the,

09:28SPEAKERlike somebody found this, it's like a correlation.

09:32SPEAKERIt's a longitudinal study over a long period of time.

09:37SPEAKERAnd somebody found it in their,

09:39SPEAKERput together this result as part of their thesis.

09:43SPEAKERAnd they got rejected and they were like,

09:44SPEAKERhey, go back and do more work on this

09:46SPEAKER'cause this can't possibly be right.

09:47SPEAKERAnd they were like, man, the math is right on this.

09:49SPEAKERIf you eat two bowls of ice cream a week,

09:51SPEAKERyou're more likely to live,

09:54SPEAKERyou're more likely to not have these specific diseases.

09:57SPEAKERSo of course all of those things are kind of bullshit, but.

10:01SPEAKER- You know what I would love to see as a long-term project

10:04SPEAKERis for somebody to collate every sort of

10:08SPEAKERstudy-based recommendation for health practices

10:10SPEAKERinto one giant matrix.

10:12SPEAKERJust like, I wanna see like, okay, how many eggs a day?

10:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:17SPEAKER- This ice cream twice a week thing.

10:20SPEAKERI don't know if people are putting coconut oil

10:21SPEAKERin their coffee now, you know what I mean?

10:23SPEAKERThere's so many things out there.

10:24SPEAKER- How many glasses of wine a week

10:26SPEAKERshould you drink for maximum heart health

10:27SPEAKERand maximum liver health, like where's the line?

10:30SPEAKER- Somebody deliver me the unlikely diet plan

10:33SPEAKERthat's going to make me live the longest

10:35SPEAKERthat I just, I wanna know.

10:37SPEAKER- Look, I don't want that one.

10:38SPEAKERI want the one that's gonna make me feel the best.

10:40SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

10:42SPEAKER- While I, yeah, the least human suffering possible.

10:46SPEAKER- More valuable, sure.

10:48SPEAKERWell, hey, let's go from asking for recommendations

10:50SPEAKERto giving some, what do you say?

10:52SPEAKER- Yeah, you can send your emails

10:54SPEAKERinto techpod@content.town.

10:56SPEAKEROr if you're in the Discord, if you're a patron,

10:59SPEAKERwhich you can sign up for at patreon.com/techpod,

11:02SPEAKERyou can go into the Cues Seeking A's channel

11:05SPEAKERand post a question into the void.

11:07SPEAKERIt'll stay up for a second or two

11:08SPEAKERif people are in the channel and then it'll go away

11:10SPEAKERand we'll see it at the end of the month

11:11SPEAKERwhen it's time for us to answer Cues.

11:13SPEAKER- Yeah, it's true.

11:14SPEAKER- What you got, Brad?

11:16SPEAKER- Shall we start with the emails?

11:18SPEAKER- An electronic mail, eh?

11:19SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.

11:20SPEAKER- Hmm.

11:21SPEAKER- How about I pull two emails?

11:23SPEAKER- What, it's unprecedented.

11:25SPEAKER- Two emails for the price of one here,

11:26SPEAKER'cause they're both kind of related,

11:28SPEAKERso I'll just read them both

11:29SPEAKERand then maybe we can address them efficiently.

11:34SPEAKERHere's an email from Scott in Lawrenceville, Georgia.

11:37SPEAKERI feel like I remember Will talking in the past

11:39SPEAKERabout using his phone to 3D scan a real world object

11:43SPEAKERso he can import it into 3D modeling software

11:45SPEAKERto tweak before he then 3D prints a modified object.

11:49SPEAKERWould you be able to go into this workflow a bit

11:51SPEAKERwith suggested apps or programs to use?

11:54SPEAKERI have an iPad Pro with the LIDAR camera

11:55SPEAKERand I'm currently looking to make a modified version

11:58SPEAKERof a bike-like mounting plate.

12:02SPEAKERBoy, this is a tough one.

12:03SPEAKERA bike-light mounting plate.

12:05SPEAKER- Okay.

12:06SPEAKER- That I already-

12:07SPEAKER- Like a plate to mount your bike light

12:08SPEAKERon your bike handlebars, okay.

12:10SPEAKER- Yes, that I already have in my possession

12:11SPEAKERas I need it to be longer in one direction.

12:15SPEAKEROkay, that's 3D email number one.

12:17SPEAKER- That's from Scott in Lawrenceville, Georgia.

12:19SPEAKER- Yes, let me scroll here.

12:21SPEAKERSecond one from Joe.

12:22SPEAKERI recently bought myself a 3D printer

12:24SPEAKERand the only thing I've printed with it so far

12:25SPEAKERare improvements and accessories for the 3D printer.

12:29SPEAKERWhat are some useful things I can print with this thing

12:31SPEAKERto justify buying it to my friends and family?

12:34SPEAKER- Okay, so this is a question you get,

12:36SPEAKERthat's from Joe, sorry, Joe.

12:39SPEAKERThis is a question you get a lot about 3D printers, right?

12:41SPEAKERLike you get a 3D printer and you're like,

12:42SPEAKERokay, I printed a bunch of accessories for the 3D printer.

12:45SPEAKERIn fact, actually in the old days,

12:47SPEAKERand still a lot of 3D printers are sold as a bin of parts,

12:52SPEAKERlike hardware, like metal parts that you can't 3D print

12:54SPEAKERand then like starter 3D parts.

12:57SPEAKERAnd then when you put it together,

12:58SPEAKERthe first thing you do is print some more parts

12:59SPEAKERto like further build out the printer.

13:03SPEAKERThe place I like to go and I recommend people

13:05SPEAKERgo look for ideas is the subreddit functional print.

13:10SPEAKERThat's just the word functional and then the word print.

13:13SPEAKERAnd they're all one word, there's no underscore or anything.

13:15SPEAKERAnd people post things that they've made

13:17SPEAKERthat they're like stoked about.

13:18SPEAKERSo like scrolling down it right now,

13:20SPEAKERthere's a fix for their fridge water dispenser,

13:23SPEAKERwhich is a little iffy 'cause a lot of the plastic to use

13:25SPEAKERin 3D printers isn't probably food safe,

13:27SPEAKERbut maybe it's the button and not the,

13:29SPEAKERmaybe it's the button and not like the water nozzle part,

13:31SPEAKERI can't tell.

13:33SPEAKERThere's like things that hold things on shelves.

13:39SPEAKERThere's a fan collar for somebody's ceiling fan.

13:44SPEAKERThere's a soundbar to TV mount.

13:46SPEAKERSo it's like all stuff that they were like,

13:48SPEAKERhey, here's a problem, here's how to solve it.

13:50SPEAKERNow, the thing I will say on the bike mount,

13:52SPEAKERdepending on how that works,

13:53SPEAKERif the light is like a tube and you're making a circle

13:57SPEAKERand like two circles that are offset by 90 degrees,

14:00SPEAKERso you can put the tube in one thing

14:01SPEAKERand then clamp it onto the handlebars,

14:03SPEAKERthat's probably a good thing to print,

14:06SPEAKERbut I'm not sure that it's gonna work.

14:09SPEAKERLike 3D scanning is not usually good

14:12SPEAKERfor high precision stuff.

14:14SPEAKERIt's usually, like we did a whole "Fu Show" episode

14:16SPEAKERwhere we 3D scanned a bunch of stuff from Adam's shop

14:19SPEAKERwith like expensive laser scanners and like the whole thing.

14:22SPEAKERWe used four different kinds of scanners for that.

14:25SPEAKERAnd the data that you get out of those is really noisy.

14:27SPEAKERIt's fine for like artistic purposes.

14:30SPEAKERLike a lot of, it's funny,

14:32SPEAKERI actually use a lot of Megascan stuff that Epic

14:35SPEAKERand people have put in the Epic store

14:38SPEAKERin some stuff that I'm working on right now,

14:42SPEAKERbut it's not, like none of that is just stuff you would,

14:46SPEAKERlike you don't get the precision needed to make 'em,

14:48SPEAKERlike it's not like you're gonna replace a machined part

14:51SPEAKERor a plastic cast part with that.

14:53SPEAKER- Don't 3D print anything with five thou tolerances.

14:56SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you wanna make a holder for your light,

14:59SPEAKERyou're better off finding a 3D scan of,

15:04SPEAKERlike the 3D specifications of the light that you have,

15:07SPEAKERwhich somebody's probably posted on Thingiverse

15:08SPEAKERor Sketchfab or something like that,

15:10SPEAKERlike search for the model number and 3D model,

15:13SPEAKERget the scale right, and then put that in a block

15:17SPEAKERthat you've, like find the other end of the mount

15:21SPEAKERthat's gonna go on your bike handlebar,

15:23SPEAKERattach that to a big block,

15:25SPEAKERand then carve the shape of the light out of that

15:28SPEAKERin the place that you wanna do it and make it that way.

15:31SPEAKERIt'll work better than 3D scanning.

15:33SPEAKERFor 3D scanning on the phone, I use Scandi.

15:35SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

15:36SPEAKERAnd you can do rooms, you can do objects,

15:38SPEAKERyou can do heads, stuff like that.

15:40SPEAKER- All right.

15:41SPEAKERThat was a comprehensive answer to 3D questions.

15:43SPEAKER- There we go.

15:45SPEAKERThat's what we do.

15:45SPEAKERWe efficiently answer questions here on the TechPod Q&A.

15:49SPEAKER- That's right.

15:50SPEAKEROnly the most trustworthy and robust answers around here.

15:55SPEAKEROkay, question from Andrew.

15:56SPEAKERI guess, excuse me, I can speak to this recently.

16:01SPEAKERHave there been any meaningful advances in case design

16:03SPEAKERfor desktops in the last 20 years?

16:05SPEAKERI don't mean RGB type things,

16:06SPEAKERbut something that would matter to a person looking

16:08SPEAKERto build a new PC who happens to have a case

16:11SPEAKERfrom about 2005 still around.

16:14SPEAKER- This is Andrew.

16:15SPEAKERBrad, if you wrote this in and you signed Andrew to it,

16:18SPEAKERit's okay.

16:19SPEAKERWe would have answered your question too.

16:20SPEAKER- Let's look.

16:23SPEAKERYou know what?

16:24SPEAKERI almost stuck with my previous case,

16:26SPEAKERwhich is only five years ago.

16:26SPEAKERWell, actually it came out more than five years ago,

16:29SPEAKERbut I only bought it five years ago.

16:31SPEAKERBut I decided to go all the way with a brand new machine.

16:36SPEAKEROne of the reasons it occurred to me kind of retroactively

16:40SPEAKERis that I think we're probably on maybe the last generation

16:43SPEAKERof cases that have a five and a quarter drive base in them.

16:47SPEAKER- Oh, that's probably true.

16:48SPEAKER- Like I'm guessing probably the next major refresh

16:52SPEAKERfrom most every case manufacturer is not going to have space

16:55SPEAKERfor an optical drive anymore.

16:56SPEAKERSo I'm kind of glad I got what is probably one

16:58SPEAKERof the last ones of those.

16:59SPEAKER- It'll probably become a specialty thing in the future.

17:01SPEAKERYeah.

17:02SPEAKEROr, I mean, from a performance standpoint,

17:04SPEAKERthere's probably no difference between a USB three

17:07SPEAKERexternal cage with a drive in it.

17:09SPEAKERIt's just one less wire and one less thing

17:11SPEAKERto have on your desk.

17:12SPEAKER- Probably not, but yeah, exactly.

17:13SPEAKERIt's just less clutter to deal with.

17:15SPEAKERI actually, I think they probably will,

17:17SPEAKERsome will continue offering sort of conversion options,

17:19SPEAKERyou know, like that's what mine has now is,

17:21SPEAKERhey, this can be a five and a quarter bay

17:23SPEAKERor it can be another fan mount.

17:25SPEAKER- Yeah, and I would have never known

17:26SPEAKERthat it was a five and a quarter bay at the top

17:27SPEAKERif I hadn't seen it taken apart.

17:30SPEAKERThe big thing to me is noise.

17:32SPEAKERLike the cases now are much, much, much quieter

17:34SPEAKERthan they were in 2005, cases were loud.

17:37SPEAKER- Yes.

17:39SPEAKER- So they're much more noise insulated.

17:40SPEAKERThe air flow is more deliberate

17:42SPEAKERand like there's simultaneously much more air flow in.

17:47SPEAKER'Cause in like the 2005 era,

17:49SPEAKERwe were still talking about like a fan low

17:51SPEAKERin the front of the PC and a fan high in the back of the PC

17:55SPEAKERand maybe a fan on the top, but that's probably it.

17:58SPEAKERAnd I don't know that that kind of case

18:00SPEAKERhas enough air coming in to support like a high-end GPU today.

18:04SPEAKER- Yeah, a lot more sound dampening than there used to be.

18:08SPEAKERWell, it depends on the type of case.

18:09SPEAKERIf it's a very enclosed case,

18:10SPEAKERlike a lot of them have good sound dampening

18:12SPEAKERin the panels now, but also another major innovation

18:15SPEAKERis that a lot of them are extremely open now,

18:17SPEAKERlike with mesh fronts, like massive amounts of venting,

18:21SPEAKERessentially using fans that are so big they're very quiet,

18:24SPEAKEReven though they move a lot of air.

18:25SPEAKERLike I saw the, I got to see the fractal torrent in person

18:28SPEAKERwhen I was at the studio with Adam and doing the build.

18:33SPEAKER- Did you like it?

18:35SPEAKER- It was cool, yeah, but like the fans inside of it,

18:37SPEAKERI feel like are an illegal size for PC case fans.

18:40SPEAKERLike I don't even know what are those things,

18:42SPEAKERlike 200 millimeter?

18:42SPEAKER- Are they just 140s, 240s?

18:44SPEAKER- No, they are.

18:45SPEAKER- Oh, they're way bigger than that?

18:46SPEAKER- I actually wonder if they are custom made for that case

18:49SPEAKERbecause they are gargantuan.

18:51SPEAKERI've never seen such a thing in PC cases,

18:53SPEAKERbut apparently I think it's quite,

18:54SPEAKERis very quiet because again, they're so big,

18:57SPEAKERthey can move a lot of air at low speed.

18:59SPEAKER- Oh, they're 180 millimeter fans.

19:02SPEAKER- They're also thicker.

19:03SPEAKERThey're also, I think, significantly thicker

19:04SPEAKERthan your average 25 millimeter case fan.

19:07SPEAKER- Yeah, they're 38 millimeters, yeah.

19:09SPEAKERThe airflow, the other thing is there's a lot of cutouts

19:13SPEAKERfor cable routing now.

19:14SPEAKER- Yes, cable routing is better.

19:16SPEAKER- Like the cutout,

19:16SPEAKERyour case has maybe the best cutouts I've ever seen

19:19SPEAKER'cause it has like, it has cutouts around the USB

19:22SPEAKERand front panel headers at the bottom of the motherboard.

19:25SPEAKERIt has cutouts where the power stuff,

19:27SPEAKERI mean, mine has cutouts where the power stuff comes in

19:29SPEAKERand one along the bottom,

19:30SPEAKERbut it's much tighter than yours was.

19:33SPEAKER- Fractal's philosophy for this thing,

19:35SPEAKERbecause there's so much extra surface area

19:37SPEAKERfrom having gotten the big case,

19:38SPEAKERtheir philosophy seems to have just been,

19:40SPEAKERhey, every bit of extra surface area should be a cutout

19:43SPEAKERon this thing.

19:44SPEAKERSo that's very nice.

19:45SPEAKER- And then also 2005 would have been just around the time

19:48SPEAKERthat we started seeing the first external,

19:52SPEAKERlike CPU mounting bracket cutout in the back.

19:56SPEAKERSo you could take the CPU out of the CPU.

19:58SPEAKERYou could disconnect the CPU cooler

19:59SPEAKERwithout necessarily having to take the motherboard

20:01SPEAKERout of the case, which was a big deal.

20:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I randomly was going through my new egg history,

20:05SPEAKERjust looking at old PC build stuff a couple of days ago.

20:09SPEAKERAnd 2006 is when I bought the venerable Antec P180.

20:12SPEAKERDo you remember that?

20:13SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a classic.

20:14SPEAKER- And used that one until 2018.

20:16SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a fine case.

20:18SPEAKER- It was good, it was good,

20:19SPEAKERbut it was in that transition point

20:20SPEAKERfrom the '90s beige boxes like the absolute garbage tier

20:25SPEAKERcases that used to be common to the modern era

20:28SPEAKERof very nice cases.

20:28SPEAKERSo it was like, it was a good case for the time,

20:31SPEAKERbut it's still, I've used it as recently as five years.

20:34SPEAKERAnd I can tell you still a lot of very rugged,

20:37SPEAKERrough metal in there that is very prone to cutting you up.

20:40SPEAKERSo like even just like less jagged surfaces and stuff.

20:43SPEAKERI think just like case build quality and thoughtfulness

20:46SPEAKERof design is just light years beyond

20:48SPEAKERwhere it was 15 years ago.

20:49SPEAKER- I will, and then the last thing is the front ports

20:51SPEAKERare gonna be the modern USB specs,

20:53SPEAKERwhereas you'll be limited to USB 2 on the older case.

20:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's like I was in that situation in 2018

21:01SPEAKERwhen I did some rebuilding of things using that P180

21:04SPEAKERand I was like, ah, it's still working fine, right?

21:06SPEAKERBut then I decided like, ah, no, whatever,

21:07SPEAKERI'm gonna get a defined R6 and like instantly glad I did.

21:11SPEAKER- Dramatically, yeah.

21:13SPEAKER- Even though that case that you have

21:15SPEAKERis technically still doing it, it could be so much better.

21:19SPEAKER- Well, and the other thing is like a really nice case

21:22SPEAKERis not super expensive today.

21:24SPEAKERLike you can get the torrent,

21:27SPEAKERthe torrent is kind of expensive 'cause it's a fancy case,

21:29SPEAKERbut like you can get a really nice Corsair

21:33SPEAKERor NZXT case for like $120.

21:38SPEAKERAnd it'll last you for another 10, 15 years.

21:41SPEAKER- For sure.

21:42SPEAKERYeah, I'm not trying to shill for fractal here.

21:43SPEAKERIt's just that's been my last three case purchases,

21:46SPEAKERbut yes, there are a lot of good cases out there these days.

21:49SPEAKER- For me, the case is one of those things where,

21:51SPEAKERlike especially for a main machine,

21:54SPEAKERI'm often willing to spend a little bit more money

21:56SPEAKER'cause the cases tend to last a really long time.

21:59SPEAKERAnd I want something that I'm gonna not be sad looking at

22:02SPEAKERfor the next 10 years, so.

22:04SPEAKER- For sure.

22:04SPEAKERAnother email from Emily.

22:06SPEAKERWhat's your favorite screen or icon or page

22:09SPEAKERfrom software, game or otherwise?

22:11SPEAKERI have a fondness for the old Netscape Navigator

22:14SPEAKERpage loading icon at the top right with the shooting stars.

22:17SPEAKERI also love that throbber.

22:19SPEAKERIt is the best.

22:21SPEAKERBrowser throbbers don't even exist anymore,

22:22SPEAKERwhich is really unfortunate.

22:24SPEAKERIs there a Chrome extension

22:26SPEAKERthat will replicate that experience?

22:28SPEAKER- Do we put, the throbber is just on the icon,

22:30SPEAKERon the fav icon on the tab now.

22:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.

22:33SPEAKERSome of the browser streamlining that has gone on

22:36SPEAKERin recent years is maybe a little too minimal for my taste,

22:39SPEAKERbut.

22:40SPEAKER- Well, like I don't,

22:42SPEAKERlike the reason we had to have the throbber though,

22:44SPEAKER'cause it was, 'cause it took three minutes

22:45SPEAKERfor a webpage to load back then.

22:47SPEAKERSo like, for me, it's something to say,

22:48SPEAKERhey, this is still working.

22:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:51SPEAKER- I'm kind of, I don't miss that part of it,

22:52SPEAKERbut I do miss the throbber.

22:53SPEAKER- That's fair, yes.

22:54SPEAKERJust as a kitschy, like nostalgia thing.

22:56SPEAKERIt's the kind of thing where we needed it,

22:57SPEAKERbut now it's part of our history.

22:59SPEAKERSo we want it to remember the things we love.

23:02SPEAKERI actually, can I add loading web pages

23:05SPEAKERto the things that are hilariously faster on this machine

23:08SPEAKERbecause they render faster?

23:10SPEAKER- Yeah, dude.

23:11SPEAKERThere's, it's not huge,

23:13SPEAKERbut there is a noticeable difference

23:14SPEAKERin how fast pages render now, this new machine.

23:17SPEAKERAnyway.

23:18SPEAKER- It's 100%, like everything is going to be faster

23:21SPEAKERon that machine.

23:22SPEAKERSo mine is probably the Windows 95.

23:27SPEAKERRemember like the Windows 95 full screen splash

23:30SPEAKERwhen it would come up and it had the clouds

23:32SPEAKERand it had the little blue bar along the bottom

23:34SPEAKERthat is kind of animated to let you know it was still working?

23:36SPEAKER- I find like when, it's funny, we're getting to an age now

23:40SPEAKERwhere there is a lot of nostalgia for old computing.

23:44SPEAKEROkay, as I say that out loud, of course there is.

23:46SPEAKERThat's the most obvious statement in the world.

23:47SPEAKERThere's nostalgia for old things.

23:48SPEAKERBut I guess what I'm saying is we're getting to the point

23:50SPEAKERwhere there's nostalgia for like Windows

23:53SPEAKERfrom the 95 to XP range,

23:56SPEAKERor maybe even getting into nostalgia for 7 territory now.

24:00SPEAKERThat's what I mean.

24:01SPEAKERIt's like retro PCs are not just 80s beige box,

24:05SPEAKERlike, you know, IBM XTs anymore.

24:08SPEAKERNow it's like your Windows XP machine is retro.

24:11SPEAKERAnd those Windows 95 splash screens,

24:13SPEAKERboth the cloud startup one and also the orange on black,

24:19SPEAKERit is now safe to shut down your computer.

24:21SPEAKER- I need to make a T-shirt that has that on it actually.

24:23SPEAKER- That would probably sell.

24:25SPEAKERLike, dude, yeah, like actually,

24:28SPEAKERI wonder if there are any rights issues.

24:29SPEAKERYou could quite literally lift that image.

24:30SPEAKER- What are they gonna do?

24:31SPEAKERIt's just a font.

24:32SPEAKERThere's nothing to copy, right?

24:33SPEAKER- Yeah, you could literally lift that image

24:34SPEAKERand get it screen printed.

24:35SPEAKERI mean, you'd want to flatten it down to one color,

24:37SPEAKERbut you could pretty much make that shirt very easily.

24:44SPEAKER- I'm gonna do that before the end of this show.

24:48SPEAKERI'll post a link if we do it in time

24:49SPEAKERfor the episode to come out.

24:53SPEAKERThe thing about this whole deal is,

24:57SPEAKERSteve, a friend of the pod, Steve Lin,

24:59SPEAKERexplained this to me years ago,

25:00SPEAKER'cause he was like, look, when people your age

25:03SPEAKERreached a point where they had jobs,

25:05SPEAKERwhere they had income and could spend money

25:07SPEAKERon frivolous but not super expensive things,

25:10SPEAKERthey went back to buy pieces of their childhood.

25:12SPEAKERThey went back and bought Star Wars toys,

25:13SPEAKERand they went back and bought NES

25:15SPEAKERand Master System cartridges and stuff like that.

25:17SPEAKERAnd part of that drove the boom

25:19SPEAKERin the price of NES cartridges.

25:22SPEAKERAnd then once that boom passed,

25:23SPEAKERthen the inventory that was available for collectors

25:26SPEAKERwent way down, and everything got and stayed more expensive.

25:29SPEAKERAnd then that happened with the SNES,

25:31SPEAKERand it happened with the GameCube,

25:33SPEAKERand it happened with the N64.

25:35SPEAKERAnd we're seeing the same thing on the PC side, right?

25:38SPEAKERThe difference is it's easier to emulate old PC stuff.

25:43SPEAKERSo if all you care is the software,

25:45SPEAKERyou just download the software

25:46SPEAKERand run on your modern PC and DOSBox or whatever,

25:49SPEAKERor x86Box, whereas people have fondness

25:55SPEAKERfor the physical thing in terms of the old console games.

25:58SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.

25:59SPEAKERI couldn't even pick one here, man.

26:01SPEAKERThere is so much old iconography

26:03SPEAKERfrom that era of computing that I love.

26:06SPEAKERI just don't know where to start.

26:07SPEAKERI love, we talked about the MS-DOS icon,

26:10SPEAKERI believe, last month.

26:11SPEAKER- Yeah, oh yeah.

26:13SPEAKER- I love the NeXT logo, NeXT, as in the Steve Jobs post-Apple.

26:18SPEAKER- It's really good.

26:21SPEAKER- I like all the beast.

26:22SPEAKERWe could just sit here all day

26:23SPEAKERtalking about graphic design and UI design

26:26SPEAKERand splash screens and stuff that were awesome.

26:30SPEAKERThe secret is they're awesome

26:31SPEAKERbecause it's what we grew up with.

26:34SPEAKERThere's no objective quality there.

26:36SPEAKERIt's just the things that you see

26:37SPEAKERwhen you're young really stick with you.

26:40SPEAKER- Yeah, there's sadly no extensions that I'm finding.

26:45SPEAKER- That's unfortunate.

26:47SPEAKERI may have to do some research there.

26:48SPEAKERI mean, I straight up made the NeXTscape Navigator,

26:50SPEAKERThrobber, the show art a few months ago for an episode.

26:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I love that.

26:54SPEAKERIt made me happy.

26:55SPEAKERIt wasn't animated though, Brad.

26:57SPEAKER- No, that was the thing.

26:58SPEAKERThat was very much the moment.

26:59SPEAKERI remember, I don't even know,

27:02SPEAKERfour or five years into "Giant Bomb."

27:05SPEAKERAt some point, somebody was like,

27:06SPEAKER"I wonder if the top slot graphic unit

27:08SPEAKERsupports animated GIFs."

27:09SPEAKERAnd of course it did.

27:10SPEAKER- Oh yeah, of course it did.

27:12SPEAKER- I think it was that GIF of Paul Rudd

27:14SPEAKERslamming a cartridge into a Super Nintendo.

27:16SPEAKER- That seems right.

27:17SPEAKER- Became a top slot unit on the site.

27:19SPEAKERIt totally animated.

27:20SPEAKERSo when I did this in simple cast to post that episode,

27:23SPEAKERI was like, "Here we go.

27:24SPEAKERI'm gonna drag this GIF in there.

27:25SPEAKERIs it gonna animate?"

27:26SPEAKERIt's not.

27:27SPEAKER- I think Patreon lets animated GIFs be the show art,

27:30SPEAKERbut not simple cast.

27:32SPEAKER- Yes.

27:33SPEAKERI'm gonna skip ahead to a Discord question

27:35SPEAKERand then one more email because this Discord question

27:38SPEAKERsort of ties into what we were just talking about.

27:41SPEAKERIt's from Bit Flipping.

27:43SPEAKER"What's the best way to learn how to solder these days?

27:45SPEAKERI have recently begun modding old Game Boy Color

27:47SPEAKERand Game Boy Advance systems with backlit IPS screens.

27:50SPEAKERAnd while there are some solderless kits out there,

27:53SPEAKERI quickly have reached the limit of what I can do

27:55SPEAKERwithout getting my hands dirty.

27:56SPEAKERI'd like to find a way to inexpensively

27:58SPEAKERget some soldering practice in,

28:00SPEAKERas I don't want my first soldering experience

28:03SPEAKERto be on an actual Game Boy motherboard

28:04SPEAKERfor fear of ruining it."

28:06SPEAKERI'll very quickly tell you how this ties

28:08SPEAKERinto the previous topic.

28:10SPEAKERThe PC speaker that I brought to put in the build.

28:14SPEAKER- I saw there was a conversation about it.

28:16SPEAKER- Straight up.

28:17SPEAKERSo wait, which one did you see?

28:18SPEAKER- Well, I saw that somebody was like,

28:19SPEAKER"Hey, you can just order these from China

28:20SPEAKERand they'll send you a thousand of them

28:22SPEAKERfor four cents each or something."

28:23SPEAKER- They don't own ones?

28:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:25SPEAKER- The little piezo buzzer ones?

28:26SPEAKER- No, the 8-ohm ones.

28:28SPEAKER- Oh, wow, okay, maybe I should just buy some.

28:29SPEAKERWell, so then maybe that leads to another question here.

28:32SPEAKERI thought you meant the conversation

28:34SPEAKERwhere a couple of people in the chat were like,

28:36SPEAKER"You know, you don't need those speakers anymore.

28:38SPEAKERThat's what the aid segment display codes are for."

28:42SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Completely the same point."

28:45SPEAKER- That is completely not the point

28:46SPEAKERof wanting the speaker in the computer, yeah.

28:49SPEAKER- That said though, the speaker has totally served

28:51SPEAKERits actual purpose, because I think it's just

28:53SPEAKERa little bias issue that will probably get ironed out,

28:55SPEAKERbut every third boot, it throws some kind of error

28:59SPEAKERand skips the post screen and ability to go into the BIOS.

29:02SPEAKERIt does end up at the Windows login eventually.

29:04SPEAKER- Oh, weird, it just takes a long time?

29:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it just sits at a black screen

29:08SPEAKERwith no signal for like a minute and never posts,

29:12SPEAKERbut then eventually the Windows login.

29:13SPEAKERI think it's probably-

29:14SPEAKER- I wonder if it's memory training or something.

29:15SPEAKER- That's exactly what I think it is,

29:16SPEAKERand it'll probably get ironed.

29:17SPEAKERAnyway, the point is that speaker

29:20SPEAKERlets me know when that's happening

29:21SPEAKERbecause it throws a four-beep error instead of one beep.

29:24SPEAKERSo it's actually totally doing its job.

29:26SPEAKER- Well, it's funny, my motherboard

29:28SPEAKERtrains the cooler occasionally, and it'll pop up and say,

29:30SPEAKERhey, we're gonna train the cooler.

29:31SPEAKERIf that's okay, press it, but don't press anything.

29:34SPEAKERIf you wanna skip it, press F1.

29:35SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, where I was going with this is,

29:40SPEAKERas far as I know, the speaker that a kind listener sent me

29:43SPEAKERis like a legitimate actual old case speaker

29:45SPEAKERfrom some decades ago, and all of the moving it around

29:49SPEAKERin there and taking it out and stretching the cable and stuff

29:51SPEAKERand both of the wires popped off the leads.

29:54SPEAKER- Oh, no.

29:55SPEAKER- So I'm gonna have to re-solder it.

29:57SPEAKERAnd so- - That's an easy solder job.

29:59SPEAKER- Yes, and so I was going to say, I think this is,

30:02SPEAKERI need to solder things like maybe once a year,

30:04SPEAKERbut I think this is my excuse to order a Pine-Sole finally.

30:07SPEAKER- Yeah, you should.

30:09SPEAKERSo I was gonna say, well, okay,

30:11SPEAKERto tease an upcoming episode of the FOSPOD,

30:13SPEAKERwe have some folks from the Pine-Sole, from Pine64 on.

30:16SPEAKER- Pine64, yeah.

30:17SPEAKER- Yeah, and that thing's 20 bucks if you buy it from them,

30:21SPEAKER25 bucks or something-

30:22SPEAKER- It's gonna be $26 right now.

30:23SPEAKER- Yeah, puts it firmly in the same price range.

30:26SPEAKERIt's like just enough more expensive than the $10 one

30:30SPEAKERyou get at the hardware store

30:31SPEAKERthat you should just buy the good one.

30:32SPEAKER- Yeah, so yeah, that's what I wanted to ask here.

30:36SPEAKERNot for my purposes, I mean, I've done enough soldering,

30:38SPEAKERbut like for the flippings sake, do you think,

30:41SPEAKERis the Pine-Sole a good starter entry level soldering iron?

30:45SPEAKERWould you, is that what you would recommend?

30:47SPEAKER- I don't think there's any downside to starting with that.

30:49SPEAKER- Okay.

30:50SPEAKER- What I would do is I would get some,

30:53SPEAKERI would go to like Adafruit

30:55SPEAKERand buy a couple of cheap kits.

30:58SPEAKERThey have some, they used to have,

30:59SPEAKERI don't know if they still do,

31:00SPEAKERI should have looked at this before the show,

31:01SPEAKERbut they had a learn to solder kit

31:04SPEAKERthat was good for a long time.

31:06SPEAKERLet's see if she still sells that.

31:10SPEAKERBasically it comes with like a breadboard.

31:12SPEAKERIf they don't have it, then you can do a,

31:17SPEAKERjust buy a cheap breadboard kit,

31:19SPEAKERsomething with a circuit board and some resistors

31:22SPEAKERand stuff that you have to solder on.

31:23SPEAKERYou can look for the types of components

31:25SPEAKERthat you have to do the soldering on on your Game Boy

31:29SPEAKERand then pull similar parts from Adafruit

31:33SPEAKERthat cost $1 each or $0.10 each or $0.50 each or whatever,

31:37SPEAKERand you learn how to solder the headers or whatever.

31:39SPEAKERSo if you have to connect stuff to, say,

31:43SPEAKERa CPU or a chip that's soldered on

31:46SPEAKERwith a lot of small connectors,

31:48SPEAKERbuy some small connectors and just practice.

31:51SPEAKERAnd the nice thing about soldering

31:52SPEAKERis that if you manage your temperature,

31:54SPEAKERwhich is no problem with the pine cells

31:55SPEAKERsince you can control the temperature

31:57SPEAKERreally precisely with that thing,

31:59SPEAKERthen you won't, like, soldering and desoldering,

32:03SPEAKERyou won't do damage,

32:04SPEAKERyou're just creating a lot of work for yourself.

32:05SPEAKERSo you can, like, you might torch the CPU

32:08SPEAKERif you do it a bunch,

32:09SPEAKERbut if you're doing it on a practice board, who cares?

32:11SPEAKERSo you can just disconnect and reconnect the headers

32:13SPEAKERover and over again until you're confident

32:14SPEAKERin your ability to do it.

32:16SPEAKERThe secret of doing small stuff

32:17SPEAKERis to get fine solder and not, you know,

32:22SPEAKERdon't, go easy.

32:25SPEAKERLike, go slow and go easy.

32:27SPEAKERThere's a, if you hit the Maker channel in our Discord,

32:30SPEAKERpeople can probably give you some help.

32:33SPEAKERYeah, and the solder it thing is the,

32:36SPEAKERthe one I would start with is,

32:38SPEAKERlet's see, do they have it on sale?

32:39SPEAKERIt's called the Mini POV3 Kit, which is,

32:44SPEAKERoh, this is the one I did, I used to recommend it,

32:46SPEAKERit says it's no longer recommended for beginners.

32:48SPEAKERSo nevermind.

32:49SPEAKERBut there's like five learn to solder guides

32:52SPEAKERon Adafruit's website.

32:54SPEAKERSo that's what I would, that's where I would start.

32:56SPEAKERThey do good stuff.

32:57SPEAKERIf you Google Adafruit Guide to Excellent Soldering,

33:00SPEAKERA-D-A-F-R-U-I-T,

33:02SPEAKERthen they'll tell you what you need.

33:05SPEAKERAnd I would say the iron recommendations

33:09SPEAKERare out of date given where we're at,

33:14SPEAKERgiven where the Pinesil, what the Pinesil is at this point.

33:18SPEAKER- You have gotten me looking at AliExpress

33:20SPEAKERand searching for eight Ohm speakers.

33:22SPEAKERAnd sure enough, there are options.

33:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:25SPEAKER- None of them look exactly like the old school PC one,

33:27SPEAKERbut they definitely are a bajillion of them on here.

33:31SPEAKER- Well, fixing yours is about a 30 second solder.

33:33SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, there's also like, look, again,

33:37SPEAKERnostalgia is a potent force.

33:39SPEAKERThere's something about using the old one

33:41SPEAKERthat is more satisfying than buying a new one.

33:44SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

33:45SPEAKER- I have a quick question before we move on.

33:47SPEAKERI don't know if you can address this,

33:48SPEAKERor I'm sure people on the Discord can.

33:51SPEAKERI'm seeing some eight Ohm speakers on here

33:54SPEAKERthat look like they are more like tweeters

33:56SPEAKERfor car stereo speakers than like a PC.

33:59SPEAKERSo for example, for 799 here,

34:02SPEAKERI can get a pair of 40 millimeter,

34:04SPEAKERoh, I'm sorry, these are four Ohm,

34:06SPEAKERbut the thing I was gonna ask is these are five watt speakers.

34:09SPEAKERAnd for example, this one I have here that's from a PC

34:12SPEAKERis 0.5, it's half a watt.

34:15SPEAKERWhat happens if you plug a something

34:17SPEAKERlike a higher wattage speaker into something

34:19SPEAKERthat can't provide that much?

34:20SPEAKER- It'll be real quiet.

34:21SPEAKER- Is it just quiet?

34:22SPEAKERIs that all it is? - I think so.

34:23SPEAKER- Okay.

34:24SPEAKERIt's not gonna-

34:25SPEAKER- I mean, if you plug in the wrong impedance,

34:27SPEAKERit can damage the circuits on the motherboard, but-

34:30SPEAKER- Okay, and the impedance is the Ohms?

34:31SPEAKER- Is the Ohms, yeah.

34:33SPEAKER- Okay, well, I definitely don't want

34:34SPEAKERthese four Ohm speakers to do more research here, but-

34:38SPEAKER- Lower is probably fine, higher is probably bad.

34:40SPEAKER- I see. - Would be my guess.

34:41SPEAKERI don't know, my guess is the motherboards are smart enough

34:43SPEAKERto not blow up if you plug something

34:44SPEAKERyou're not supposed to plug into it.

34:45SPEAKERBut that's an old, like that's such a,

34:48SPEAKERlike an appendix type of,

34:51SPEAKERit's an evolutionary dead end of technology.

34:54SPEAKERSo I don't know.

34:55SPEAKER- Yeah, actually one other question.

34:57SPEAKERAnd again, maybe people on the Discord can answer.

34:59SPEAKERI don't remember which wire went to which lead

35:00SPEAKER'cause they both broke off. - Probably doesn't matter.

35:02SPEAKER- Does it not matter?

35:03SPEAKER- No, because the header is not polar, so.

35:06SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, all right, time to fix the speaker.

35:09SPEAKER- It would matter if you were doing an LED,

35:11SPEAKERbut not for the speaker.

35:12SPEAKER- Sure, okay.

35:13SPEAKER- Well, four phase will be backwards,

35:15SPEAKERbut I don't think it's gonna matter for the beeps.

35:17SPEAKER- Probably not.

35:18SPEAKER- And also you can just flip the filter connector if it is.

35:21SPEAKER- Yes, true enough.

35:23SPEAKEROkay, last email, I'm gonna go back to emails here.

35:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:30SPEAKER- Question from Eric.

35:31SPEAKERIs it okay to wear outside clothes in the bed?

35:35SPEAKERMy wife has a rule that any outside clothes

35:37SPEAKERcan't be worn in bed.

35:38SPEAKERFor example, if you went shopping

35:39SPEAKERand then came back and wanted to take a nap in the bed,

35:42SPEAKERI'm getting a vehement thumbs down from the doorway here.

35:47SPEAKERI'm gonna say, sorry.

35:51SPEAKERFor example, the rule is if you went shopping

35:52SPEAKERand then came back and wanted to take a nap in the bed,

35:54SPEAKERyou would need to change into an inside shirt.

35:57SPEAKERBut my argument is that outside clothes

35:59SPEAKERare allowed on the couch.

36:00SPEAKERAnd I also sit on the couch with my inside clothes.

36:03SPEAKERBy a cross contamination from the couch,

36:06SPEAKERmy inside clothes get dirty.

36:08SPEAKERSo the step of changing from outside to inside clothes

36:10SPEAKERdoesn't actually stop the outside germs

36:13SPEAKERfrom contaminating the bed.

36:16SPEAKERIs she too germaphobic or am I a reckless madman?

36:19SPEAKERWhat, wait, is there a transitive property of household grime?

36:26SPEAKER- I'm just, I'm just, this whole question is I,

36:29SPEAKERlook, I think we can, sometimes everyone's wrong.

36:33SPEAKER- You think so?

36:33SPEAKER- Yeah, sometimes.

36:34SPEAKER- There's no correct answer.

36:35SPEAKER- No, no, there's absolutely a correct answer here.

36:37SPEAKER- Which is?

36:38SPEAKER- The correct answer is you don't wear outside clothes

36:42SPEAKERinto the bed, at least outerwear.

36:46SPEAKER- Yes.

36:47SPEAKER- Like I'm not gonna, if I go outside into the world

36:49SPEAKERand then I come back and I want to lay down in bed,

36:51SPEAKERI will probably take off my outerwear

36:53SPEAKERand lay down in like my undershirt and my underwear.

36:57SPEAKER- Yes.

36:58SPEAKER- Maybe a pair of socks.

36:59SPEAKER- Right, like for me, it's not so much about the grime

37:02SPEAKERas like comfort, you know, it's like,

37:03SPEAKERI don't want to wear the type of clothes

37:05SPEAKERI wear out into the world.

37:07SPEAKERI don't want to like get under the covers in

37:08SPEAKER'cause that just seems unpleasantly not comfortable.

37:13SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but I also don't want, I don't want like dirt.

37:16SPEAKERLike I would never wear a pair of jeans

37:18SPEAKERthat might have like dirt from outside.

37:21SPEAKER- Like if I wore a pair of shorts

37:23SPEAKERand like went and rode the Muni and sat down on the Muni,

37:26SPEAKERI'm not gonna come home and like get in the bed

37:28SPEAKERwearing those same shorts.

37:29SPEAKER- Yeah, no, but also at the same time,

37:32SPEAKERlike I'm not worried about cross contamination

37:33SPEAKERfrom the couch because presumably the stuff

37:36SPEAKERthat falls off of my outerwear onto the couch

37:39SPEAKERisn't going to, it's not like it's gonna stick

37:41SPEAKERto my under clothes, my inside clothes

37:46SPEAKERand come back into the bed when I next lay down.

37:51SPEAKERSo I am firmly on the side of your wife here on this one.

37:55SPEAKER- Yes, yes, same.

37:57SPEAKER- Yeah, don't wear your dungarees to bed.

38:00SPEAKER- Man. - Good God, man.

38:01SPEAKER- Stories we tell ourselves in order to be comfortable

38:04SPEAKERas physical beings.

38:06SPEAKER- Do you-- - And not think about

38:08SPEAKERall of the disgusting, invisible stuff out there.

38:12SPEAKER- Well, you're often a white t-shirt wearer, right?

38:15SPEAKERYou wear an undershirt on occasion.

38:17SPEAKER- What are you blowing up my spot here?

38:19SPEAKER- Oh, sorry.

38:21SPEAKER- Not on camera, that's only when I don't wanna burn

38:25SPEAKERa good shirt that I would wear on camera.

38:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so, but do you wear the undershirt

38:29SPEAKERunderneath your other shirt or do you,

38:31SPEAKERare you just a t-shirt raw dog initially?

38:33SPEAKER- These days, like when we used to work in an office

38:37SPEAKERand I wore like button-up shirts,

38:38SPEAKERI would always wear a white undershirt under that.

38:41SPEAKER- Yeah. - But I mean,

38:42SPEAKERI'll often wear, like I wouldn't wear a hoodie directly.

38:45SPEAKERI always wear a t-shirt under a hoodie, for example.

38:48SPEAKER- Yeah, God, of course.

38:49SPEAKERBut like, so, but I often will wear

38:51SPEAKERlike a thin v-neck t-shirt underneath

38:53SPEAKERlike a designed t-shirt as well.

38:57SPEAKER- I'm sure, man, I'd love to see that.

38:58SPEAKER- But just 'cause I tend to a little sweaty.

39:01SPEAKERI run a little sweaty when it's warm.

39:03SPEAKERAnd like I will change the undershirt before I get,

39:07SPEAKERlike I'll put a, I have a different set

39:09SPEAKERof sleeping undershirts that I put on before I get to bed

39:12SPEAKERso I can wear a nice clean shirt to bed.

39:15SPEAKER- Sure.

39:15SPEAKER- If I, if that's the way I'm rolling.

39:19SPEAKER- This is a lot of talk about sleepwear protocol.

39:24SPEAKER- Yeah, my sleeping, I'm gonna go and tell you,

39:25SPEAKERmy sleeping has changed dramatically

39:29SPEAKERsince we had a child who will frequently run

39:30SPEAKERinto the bedroom and jump into bed with us in the morning.

39:34SPEAKER- Children don't give an F.

39:35SPEAKER- No.

39:36SPEAKER- About your grime.

39:38SPEAKER- Well, no, no, it's not about the grime.

39:40SPEAKERIt's just that I used to not be a pajamas guy

39:42SPEAKERand now I'm a pajamas guy.

39:44SPEAKERI've lost a drawer basically.

39:46SPEAKER- Yes, but you've gained so much in comfort.

39:49SPEAKER- Man, I do like a nice pair of flannel pants.

39:51SPEAKER- All right, Discord questions.

39:54SPEAKERHere's one from name and number.

39:57SPEAKERDo you use YubiKeys?

39:58SPEAKERWhy or why not?

39:59SPEAKERWhat is the state of hardware two factor?

40:02SPEAKER- I do use YubiKeys.

40:03SPEAKER- Oh, well, la-di-da.

40:05SPEAKER- It's really nice.

40:06SPEAKERA lot of like when I log into GitHub, I just, it says,

40:09SPEAKER"Hey, what's your email address?"

40:11SPEAKERAnd it's like, "Hey, put the thing in and press it."

40:13SPEAKERAnd then I don't have to type the password, it just works.

40:15SPEAKERIt's fucking awesome.

40:16SPEAKER- Are there cross, I mean, not that you're necessarily

40:18SPEAKERworking across a lot of different operating systems,

40:20SPEAKERbut are there any cross-platform considerations there

40:23SPEAKERor is it like, I guess I'm wondering like,

40:25SPEAKERwhat's the protocol by which this hardware device

40:28SPEAKERis communicating with this webpage

40:30SPEAKERand would that work in macOS just as well

40:32SPEAKERor on any Linux environment?

40:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it works out.

40:35SPEAKERSo the ones I have are USB-A and NFC.

40:41SPEAKERSo I tap them on the back of my phone

40:44SPEAKERwhen I want to use the phone.

40:46SPEAKERThe only place they don't work is on the iPad.

40:47SPEAKERI probably need to get actually a USB-C one

40:49SPEAKERso I can use it on the iPad or an adapter.

40:53SPEAKERBut yeah, it's fantastic.

40:54SPEAKERI absolutely love it.

40:55SPEAKERIt's highly recommended and it lets you secure.

40:59SPEAKERIt gives you another way to retrieve things you've lost,

41:02SPEAKERwhich is important.

41:03SPEAKER- It does seem like, I mean,

41:04SPEAKERI'm certainly no security expert,

41:05SPEAKERbut it does seem like the best way

41:07SPEAKERto really make everything bulletproof.

41:09SPEAKERI just can't be bothered to bring another physical device

41:13SPEAKERthat I have to go find into the equation.

41:14SPEAKERNow that I have this watch, I very much enjoy,

41:16SPEAKERI use two-factor all over the place,

41:18SPEAKERbut I do it through an authenticator app

41:20SPEAKERthat now works on this watch, which is amazing

41:22SPEAKER'cause not having to go find a thing

41:25SPEAKERwhen you need to use Authy.

41:28SPEAKER- Man, I never thought about that.

41:29SPEAKERI wonder if I have one password on my watch too.

41:32SPEAKER- You don't do that?

41:33SPEAKER- No, it never even occurred to me.

41:34SPEAKER- It is like, I'm sorry for evangelizing

41:37SPEAKERthis damn watch so much,

41:38SPEAKERbut it has like made so many things

41:40SPEAKERmore convenient over time.

41:42SPEAKERAnd that might be the best one actually,

41:44SPEAKERnot having to go to find my phone

41:45SPEAKER'cause my phone is not always right by me.

41:48SPEAKERWhenever I want to log in anything now,

41:50SPEAKERthe code is right there on my wrist.

41:52SPEAKER- I'll have to look and see.

41:52SPEAKERI've never even considered using the watch for that.

41:59SPEAKERSo the thing about the hardware authentication

42:02SPEAKERis once you're logged in generally,

42:05SPEAKERyou don't have to worry about it for quite a long time.

42:08SPEAKERSo it lasts as long as my cookie does for the site,

42:11SPEAKERwhich means for GitHub, it's like three months or something.

42:14SPEAKERSo I don't actually have to sign in all that often.

42:17SPEAKERI just leave my, I don't even carry it on my key chain

42:19SPEAKERunless I'm traveling for a long time.

42:20SPEAKERSo when we go to the desert, I take it with me.

42:22SPEAKERBut if I'm here, then I don't bother

42:25SPEAKERor just like going on a weekend trip or something.

42:27SPEAKERI usually don't take it.

42:29SPEAKERAnd I have two, I have a spare and one's in the fire safe.

42:32SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't, I thought you could only have one.

42:34SPEAKER- No, no, you can do that.

42:35SPEAKER- Have as many as you want.

42:36SPEAKERIt depends on the account.

42:37SPEAKERLike that's a per account choice.

42:39SPEAKERSo the way it works is you plug it into the USB thing.

42:40SPEAKERIt shows up like a USB device.

42:42SPEAKERAnd I think it's just like a special,

42:45SPEAKERit acts almost like a USB data, like a thumb drive,

42:49SPEAKERbut it has some special stuff happening.

42:50SPEAKERIt's encrypted and there's a button you have to touch.

42:53SPEAKER- It continues to be absolutely baffling,

42:57SPEAKERbordering on comical at this point, how the inversion,

43:00SPEAKERthere's gotta be some pithy term for this.

43:02SPEAKERThe inverse relationship between how badly something needs

43:06SPEAKERto be secured and how poor their security is.

43:09SPEAKERI'm mostly talking about financial institutions,

43:14SPEAKERbanks, credit cards, let's say like the,

43:18SPEAKERthe internal revenue service, taxed infrastructure,

43:22SPEAKERthat type of thing.

43:23SPEAKERLike, why is it that the absolute worst security options

43:26SPEAKERare available on the things that you need to secure them?

43:29SPEAKERLike none of those things, none of those things

43:30SPEAKERhave two factor.

43:33SPEAKERAt best, they are sending SMS codes at this point.

43:38SPEAKERI just don't understand.

43:39SPEAKER- There are a couple of banks that support two factor.

43:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I like some of them more.

43:42SPEAKER- But it's unusual still.

43:44SPEAKER- Like the very stodgy old, extremely old institutions,

43:47SPEAKERjust that it's infuriating.

43:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.

43:53SPEAKERYeah, anyway, there's rules that keep them from doing things

43:56SPEAKERwhich is annoying.

43:57SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

43:58SPEAKERQuestion from Shags Magoo, is tech pod discord cred

44:01SPEAKERworth risking possible espionage and treason charges

44:04SPEAKERasking for a friend?

44:05SPEAKER- No.

44:07SPEAKERI mean, this is something really cool.

44:08SPEAKER- I'm gonna disagree and say yes.

44:11SPEAKER- Oh, you know what they're talking about?

44:12SPEAKER- If we have, if we have any,

44:14SPEAKERif there are any spies on the tech pod discord.

44:16SPEAKER- Oh, well, they're talking about the leak of,

44:19SPEAKERthe leak of department of defense documents

44:21SPEAKERfrom two, three, was that three weeks ago?

44:23SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, don't go to jail for the tech pod discord.

44:26SPEAKER- I assume you saw how that came about.

44:28SPEAKER- Some kid, somebody bragged at their

44:30SPEAKERwild discord or something?

44:32SPEAKER- 21 year old, well, he was a budding fascist.

44:36SPEAKER- Oh, wow, weird.

44:37SPEAKER- But he was like 21 year old IT worker

44:41SPEAKERwith top secret security clearance

44:43SPEAKERwho basically posted a bunch of extremely sensitive documents

44:46SPEAKERto basically impress his friends on discord

44:50SPEAKERand then surprised those documents got out

44:53SPEAKERand created a big international incident anyway.

44:56SPEAKERIf there are, if there are any spies on our discord,

45:00SPEAKERyour trade craft is secret or is safe with us.

45:03SPEAKER- I often, I often think about my friend

45:05SPEAKERwho was maybe the most relentlessly honest

45:08SPEAKERand decent person I know who wanted to work

45:11SPEAKERfor the government in a job that required a clearance

45:14SPEAKERand couldn't pass the polygraph

45:15SPEAKERbecause he was a generally anxious kind of guy.

45:17SPEAKER- Interesting.

45:18SPEAKER- And then I think about people like that

45:21SPEAKERwho have no problem passing the polygraph

45:22SPEAKER'cause they're clearly sociopaths.

45:24SPEAKER- Yes.

45:25SPEAKER- And yeah, anyway.

45:27SPEAKER- Oh man, I should not derail this conversation.

45:29SPEAKERWe should move on to another question.

45:30SPEAKERBut speaking of government work.

45:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:33SPEAKER- I started watching this HBO documentary

45:35SPEAKERabout the famous McDonald's Monopoly game scam.

45:38SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

45:39SPEAKER- What is it called?

45:40SPEAKERIt's based on an article that was like four years ago, right?

45:44SPEAKER- That may be the case.

45:45SPEAKERYes, it is called "McMillions" is the name of the document.

45:48SPEAKERIt's a six-part documentary series.

45:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:50SPEAKER- It is incredible.

45:51SPEAKERI've only gotten through the first episode,

45:52SPEAKERbut oh my God, it's incredible.

45:53SPEAKERLike it's like the whole thing is basically talking

45:56SPEAKERto the FBI agents who took down this ring

45:59SPEAKERof this criminal enterprise.

46:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:02SPEAKER- And like the amount of detail they go in there

46:04SPEAKERabout both like levels of authority within the FBI

46:07SPEAKERand like working undercover and all this stuff.

46:10SPEAKERLike it's very lighthearted, but it's super fascinating.

46:13SPEAKERI highly recommend it based on having seen one sixth of it.

46:17SPEAKER- I, in a similar note, a friend of the pod, Gary,

46:20SPEAKERwould have recommended "Devs" to me,

46:23SPEAKERwhich is a FX show with the guy from "Parks and Rec."

46:30SPEAKER- Which one?

46:31SPEAKERAdam Scott's?

46:31SPEAKER- No, the one with the mustache.

46:32SPEAKER- Chris Pratt's?

46:33SPEAKEROh, Nick Offerman.

46:34SPEAKER- Nick Offerman.

46:35SPEAKERIt's not a comedy.

46:36SPEAKERIt's a serious thing about computers.

46:38SPEAKERAnd the first two episodes are fabulous.

46:40SPEAKERReally, really good.

46:41SPEAKER- Is it, it's fictional?

46:42SPEAKERIt's not a-

46:43SPEAKER- It's a drama, yeah.

46:44SPEAKER- Okay.

46:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:46SPEAKERI'm not, don't look up anything about it

46:48SPEAKERif you're gonna watch it.

46:49SPEAKERJust watch it would be my advice.

46:50SPEAKER- Okay, I remember when that came out.

46:51SPEAKERI remember that getting some good buzz.

46:54SPEAKER- Okay, question from Meatball.

46:56SPEAKERI have an eight-year-old kiddo

46:57SPEAKERand we're about to build their first PC.

46:59SPEAKERI'm excited, but trying to dig through

47:01SPEAKERall the possible parental controls

47:02SPEAKERI should be putting in place

47:03SPEAKERother than being present when it's in use.

47:07SPEAKERI assume Will went through this in the recent past

47:09SPEAKERand was wondering if you guys have any good tips

47:11SPEAKERor ideas about parentally controlling a child's PC.

47:16SPEAKER- Okay, so this is a complicated topic

47:19SPEAKERand we could do a whole,

47:20SPEAKERwe actually probably should do a whole episode about this.

47:23SPEAKERThe short answer for this is that

47:25SPEAKERif you have an eight-year-old

47:26SPEAKERand you're gonna give them a computer,

47:27SPEAKERthey probably aren't interested in any of the things

47:30SPEAKERthat are gonna get them in trouble at that age.

47:32SPEAKERAt least none of the kids that I know

47:35SPEAKERare going to be seeking out,

47:36SPEAKERlike they're not gonna use Google, frankly.

47:39SPEAKERIf you put them on YouTube Kids and Google

47:42SPEAKERand don't let them access,

47:43SPEAKERso you turn safe search to maximum

47:46SPEAKERso that if they do accidentally type something in,

47:48SPEAKERit's nothing, they don't get anything bad,

47:50SPEAKERthat's probably fine.

47:51SPEAKERMy advice is to make sure that the computer

47:54SPEAKERis a thing that's only used in common areas

47:56SPEAKERwhere there's other people around

47:58SPEAKERand spend time with them while they're using the computer.

48:00SPEAKERSo it's the same,

48:03SPEAKERkids are exposed to social online things much earlier

48:06SPEAKERnow than they were even 10 years ago

48:08SPEAKERwith Roblox and Minecraft and Fortnite and all that stuff.

48:12SPEAKERSo you need to spend,

48:15SPEAKERespecially when you're starting out

48:16SPEAKERand they're most interested

48:18SPEAKERand most likely to listen to you,

48:20SPEAKERspend time with them showing them how to do stuff

48:23SPEAKERand showing them what's right and what's not

48:25SPEAKERand use those opportunities to talk about

48:27SPEAKERbehaviors that are inappropriate

48:28SPEAKERand things that they don't wanna see

48:30SPEAKERand plant the idea that they will see some shit

48:33SPEAKERon the internet that will fuck them up real bad.

48:35SPEAKER- Yikes.

48:37SPEAKER- But seriously, my daughter is not afraid of the internet

48:41SPEAKERbut she's like, "I don't wanna see something

48:44SPEAKER"that's going to warp my fragile little mind."

48:47SPEAKERAnd it's not about fear, she just doesn't wanna see,

48:52SPEAKERshe's seen people get hurt on YouTube, she doesn't like that.

48:56SPEAKERNow at the same time, we spent 10 minutes watching

48:58SPEAKERan 11 foot eight dot com video last night

49:01SPEAKERwhich is the website for that,

49:03SPEAKERthere's a bridge in like Boston or New Hampshire

49:06SPEAKERor someplace that's like 11 feet eight

49:08SPEAKERand it's just a montage of trucks can opening their roofs

49:12SPEAKERas they try to go underneath the trestle

49:13SPEAKERand they can't fit, she's all about that.

49:15SPEAKERShe just doesn't like violence against people.

49:17SPEAKERSo that's my advice.

49:21SPEAKERSo safe search on, use the computer only in a public area,

49:25SPEAKERin a common area of the house and spend time.

49:29SPEAKERSpend time with them when you're starting out,

49:32SPEAKERdon't let them use it unsupervised

49:34SPEAKERuntil you're pretty confident that they're not gonna go

49:36SPEAKERfor things that are bad.

49:36SPEAKERAnd if they seem interested in things that are bad,

49:39SPEAKERthen that's when you invest in the parental control stuff.

49:43SPEAKERBut the parental control stuff,

49:44SPEAKERit'll work for a couple of years

49:46SPEAKERand then as soon as they're interested in it,

49:48SPEAKERthey'll start Googling things that will let them bypass

49:50SPEAKERthe parental controls and then you have a real problem.

49:53SPEAKERYou don't wanna start that fight if you don't have to.

49:55SPEAKER- Yeah, indeed, some good advice.

49:57SPEAKER- So it's like land campaigns in Southeast Asia,

50:00SPEAKERyou can't win that.

50:01SPEAKER- Yeah, question from E.W.Kinder

50:06SPEAKERis how I've always said that username in my head.

50:09SPEAKER- I thought they were kinder, but okay.

50:11SPEAKER- You kinder.

50:13SPEAKER- You kinder.

50:14SPEAKER- Any thoughts on Imgur removing large swaths of old images,

50:18SPEAKERincluding porn,

50:19SPEAKERbut also removing images not uploaded from accounts?

50:21SPEAKERI didn't, I don't know what the porn policy is there,

50:23SPEAKERbut I've, the thing I've seen people talking about

50:25SPEAKERis what they're doing is they are apparently purging,

50:28SPEAKERpresumably all images that have been uploaded

50:31SPEAKERto Imgur over time that were not done

50:32SPEAKERwith registered accounts, but just anonymously.

50:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:35SPEAKER- Which seems like potentially a like tremendous amount

50:39SPEAKERof internet history to just flush down the toilet.

50:42SPEAKER- It is an enormous amount of the images

50:45SPEAKERthat have been posted on Reddit,

50:46SPEAKER'cause for a long time it was the default way

50:47SPEAKERthat images got posted on Reddit.

50:49SPEAKER- I didn't even know that,

50:50SPEAKERbut it's also used everywhere else.

50:51SPEAKERYou know, like it's all like, I just,

50:53SPEAKERhow many broken image links are there going to be

50:56SPEAKERafter this comes to pass out there?

50:58SPEAKER- Yeah, it's gonna be a lot.

50:59SPEAKERIt's, you know, obviously it's their service

51:02SPEAKERand they, you know, they know what they're hosting.

51:05SPEAKERLike there may be legitimate business reasons

51:07SPEAKERfor them to do this, but boy.

51:10SPEAKER- I don't think they gave actual reasons for doing this.

51:12SPEAKERMy guess is that it's related to payment processors

51:17SPEAKERbeing upset that there's unregulated

51:19SPEAKERand untracked pornography on the site

51:21SPEAKERand they don't wanna take credit card charges

51:23SPEAKERfrom sites like that, which affected,

51:26SPEAKERI think, YouPorn a couple of years ago.

51:28SPEAKERThey seem to have rebounded, like the YouPorn business

51:30SPEAKERdoesn't seem to be collapsing as a result of that.

51:33SPEAKERIt's a little bit different situation,

51:34SPEAKER'cause there's also like, YouPorn has like a, you know,

51:37SPEAKERa Patreon or OnlyFans style subscription business going now

51:41SPEAKERfor people who are verified and authenticated.

51:46SPEAKERThis feels more like a Tumblr situation, though,

51:49SPEAKERwhere the moment the adult content

51:51SPEAKERand kind of the unfiltered rawness of the internet went away,

51:55SPEAKERthe entire thing collapsed to the point

51:57SPEAKERthat WordPress bought the site for, you know,

51:59SPEAKERa thousandth of what Verizon bought it for

52:02SPEAKERa few years before, or Yahoo rather, but.

52:05SPEAKER- Even just thinking about the number of,

52:08SPEAKERlike the number of like esoteric computing problems

52:10SPEAKERthat I Google for like that one,

52:12SPEAKERthat one golden forum thread or stack exchange post

52:15SPEAKERthat has the info on how to fix

52:17SPEAKERand the number of those that have links

52:19SPEAKERto eight or 10 year old imager images

52:21SPEAKERthat show details about what you're doing

52:24SPEAKERthat are going to break.

52:25SPEAKERIt's enough images being lost that if somebody wrote

52:28SPEAKERan imager to archive.org extension for the browser,

52:32SPEAKERI would consider installing it.

52:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:35SPEAKER- Because like, we're gonna see,

52:36SPEAKERlike your point is absolutely correct,

52:38SPEAKERthere are going to be an insane number of broken links

52:42SPEAKERto imager when they enact this policy.

52:45SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, you're totally right though,

52:48SPEAKERand even think about it,

52:49SPEAKERlike I'm sure there's already some like massive

52:51SPEAKERand very organized and diligence archival project underway.

52:55SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the archive.org people are always like,

52:59SPEAKERthis is one of the things I miss is leaving Twitter,

53:00SPEAKERI don't see Jason Scott posting

53:02SPEAKERabout what they're working on as much.

53:05SPEAKERThey're absolutely working on it,

53:06SPEAKERthey're never gonna get everything

53:07SPEAKER'cause it's too broad and I assume there's no API access

53:10SPEAKERto give them like broad swaths of the files.

53:13SPEAKER- Sure.

53:14SPEAKER- So it's a bummer.

53:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:17SPEAKERQuestion from Yabs.

53:20SPEAKERThe shitty.blog post about the tomato soup recipe

53:23SPEAKERand after tomato soup recipe,

53:26SPEAKERit just says in parentheses, good.

53:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:29SPEAKERWell, that's the name of the recipe.

53:31SPEAKERI have three tomato soup recipes in my Pinterest

53:33SPEAKERand this is the good one.

53:35SPEAKER- That was your naming for the recipe.

53:36SPEAKER- That was my name, yeah.

53:37SPEAKER- Yes, it's tomato soup recipe, good.

53:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:41SPEAKER- The shitty.blog post about the tomato soup recipe

53:43SPEAKERmentions that the recipe is pulled from your paprika.

53:47SPEAKERAs someone whose recipe organization strategy

53:49SPEAKERis nearly non-existent,

53:51SPEAKERjust curious about the pros and cons of paprika

53:53SPEAKERas a solution and wondering if you have any experience

53:56SPEAKERwith false alternatives.

53:57SPEAKER- So I set up paprika a long time ago

54:01SPEAKERwhen I moved off of Evernote,

54:02SPEAKERwhich is not a false alternative,

54:03SPEAKERbut Evernote, when I started doing recipes in Evernote

54:07SPEAKERa decade and change ago, probably at this point,

54:10SPEAKERthey let you have multiple devices connect them

54:11SPEAKERand they started wanting to charge you $10 a month

54:13SPEAKERto connect more than two devices.

54:16SPEAKEREvernote became a non-viable solution for me

54:19SPEAKER'cause like I don't,

54:20SPEAKERit's a thing that I'm willing to spend like 50 bucks on once

54:24SPEAKERbut I didn't want to have a $120 annual charge to use.

54:28SPEAKERI moved all of my recipes out of Evernote

54:32SPEAKERand I think Gina still has some of hers there

54:34SPEAKERwhich is an unfortunate thing.

54:37SPEAKERBut I absolutely love paprika.

54:39SPEAKERThere's three things that it does really well.

54:41SPEAKEROne is the recipes.

54:44SPEAKERObviously, it stores the source material

54:47SPEAKERso if you paste a link into paprika,

54:50SPEAKERit will go and scrape that page

54:51SPEAKERand pull the ingredients block out.

54:54SPEAKERIt pulls the blog post out and puts it entirely,

54:56SPEAKERit saves it but keeps it separate

54:57SPEAKERin case there's a viable duration there.

54:59SPEAKERAnd then it puts the steps in a separate thing.

55:01SPEAKER- That's cool.

55:02SPEAKERI guess I didn't even think about it.

55:03SPEAKERLike the general formatting around ingredient lists

55:06SPEAKERon recipes is probably unique enough

55:08SPEAKERthat it's very easy to scrape that out

55:10SPEAKERand make it so, wow, that's cool.

55:11SPEAKER- Well, they do a good job of building individual scrapers

55:16SPEAKERfor specific food sites.

55:17SPEAKERLike you can log into the America's Test Kitchen site

55:20SPEAKERand grab their recipes.

55:21SPEAKERYou can log into Serious Eats, it grabs theirs.

55:24SPEAKERChef's Steps, it grabs theirs.

55:25SPEAKERAll of the big food blogs like Smitten Kitchen

55:28SPEAKERand those, it works with.

55:30SPEAKERSo that part is really, really good

55:33SPEAKERand because it has the ingredients,

55:35SPEAKERthey also have done a really nice,

55:38SPEAKERit has a recipe planner, a meal planner.

55:40SPEAKERSo if you plan your meals for the week

55:42SPEAKERand you have your recipes in and the ingredients are right,

55:44SPEAKERwhich was always the hard part of doing digital recipes

55:47SPEAKERbefore, then you can generate a shopping list

55:51SPEAKERwith like the pantry items that you always have

55:53SPEAKERlike flour and sugar and eggs removed.

55:55SPEAKERSo you'll say, okay, I'm making chili on Tuesday

55:59SPEAKERand I'm making pizza on Friday

56:00SPEAKERand I need sandwiches for lunch.

56:02SPEAKERAnd you can generate a kitchen,

56:04SPEAKERa shopping list that's organized by aisle

56:07SPEAKERin the grocery store, which like cuts the time

56:12SPEAKERon that work down pretty dramatically.

56:15SPEAKERIt means that like, and also you could save,

56:18SPEAKERyou could save meals.

56:19SPEAKERLike we have our, like our complete Thanksgiving spread

56:22SPEAKERis just in there with your mom's casserole

56:24SPEAKERand our stuffing and my pies and all that.

56:26SPEAKERSo like we just have the list ready to go.

56:29SPEAKER- That's cool.

56:30SPEAKER- Yeah, and the two, the other thing is

56:34SPEAKERyou can make a shortcutlet, a bookmarklet

56:38SPEAKERthat will automatically send the recipes

56:40SPEAKERto your Paprika account that just lives in your browser.

56:43SPEAKERSo if I'm sitting on my desktop computer

56:45SPEAKERand I'm browsing, I can send it over there

56:47SPEAKERwithout having to have the Paprika client on my computer.

56:50SPEAKERAnd like, it'll show up on my iPad

56:52SPEAKERand my phone automatically.

56:54SPEAKERAnd frankly, the iPad view is gorgeous

56:57SPEAKER'cause you have the ingredients on one side,

56:58SPEAKERthe directions on the other.

56:59SPEAKERYou can scroll, it'll play the videos.

57:01SPEAKERIt's really good.

57:02SPEAKERIt's worth spending money on.

57:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm looking, it's five bucks on iOS.

57:06SPEAKEROn Android, it looks, it says in app.

57:07SPEAKERI assume you just buy it in the app there,

57:09SPEAKERbut I assume it's probably also five bucks.

57:11SPEAKER- So I think about the same.

57:12SPEAKER- On the App Store, it is number one in food and drinks.

57:14SPEAKERSo quite popular.

57:15SPEAKER- Yeah, they price things based on the number of users.

57:19SPEAKERSo like the PC client is way more expensive

57:22SPEAKERthan the iOS and Android clients

57:23SPEAKERbecause they have a smaller user base for that,

57:26SPEAKERbut it still costs a fair amount of money to develop.

57:28SPEAKERSo like if you wanna get the PC version,

57:30SPEAKERthen it's like 20 bucks or something.

57:33SPEAKERBut I have found it to be a very good piece of software.

57:37SPEAKERI've bought it like 10 years ago at this point,

57:39SPEAKERmaybe eight years ago, and it's lasted a long time.

57:42SPEAKER- Yeah, that looks essential if you cook a lot.

57:44SPEAKER- I use it three or four times a week easily.

57:47SPEAKER- All right, last question from Milhouse Phoenix for Will.

57:51SPEAKERDo the birds have names yet?

57:52SPEAKER- I don't know about naming wild animals.

57:55SPEAKER- I think it's fine.

57:57SPEAKERIt's not binding.

57:59SPEAKER- But I like, I don't know, you know,

58:02SPEAKERI don't know her person.

58:03SPEAKERI know her personality a little bit.

58:04SPEAKERShe mostly sits around and then gets really excited

58:05SPEAKERwhen the food comes.

58:08SPEAKERWe're still, we're getting close to the hatching,

58:10SPEAKERpotential hatching window.

58:12SPEAKER- Hatch watch is on?

58:13SPEAKER- Hatch watch is on.

58:14SPEAKERI don't know.

58:15SPEAKERI'm very interested to see how this goes.

58:18SPEAKERApparently once they hatch,

58:19SPEAKERit's another like two or three weeks

58:20SPEAKERbefore they leave the nest, so.

58:21SPEAKER- Okay, I've got a little bit of a window there then.

58:24SPEAKERAny idea how many eggs there are?

58:25SPEAKER- There's five last time I looked on Monday.

58:27SPEAKERIt started out with three, then a fourth appeared,

58:29SPEAKERand now we're up to five.

58:31SPEAKERSo yeah, it's pretty exciting times at Smith House.

58:35SPEAKER- Yeah, tune in to tight progressive burb play.

58:39SPEAKER- Yeah, we got the burbs.

58:41SPEAKER- The burbs, except for from eight until 10-ish weeknights,

58:46SPEAKERthere's, it's 24/7 burbs.

58:48SPEAKER- Yes.

58:49SPEAKER- Although I have to say this IP camera I bought,

58:52SPEAKERkind of the stream glitches out occasionally

58:54SPEAKERin a way that like, I think I'm gonna have to write a script

58:57SPEAKERthat opens and closes the source on my OBS

59:03SPEAKERevery once in a while, which is kind of obnoxious.

59:07SPEAKERI feel like I shouldn't have to do that.

59:08SPEAKER- Yeah, that is annoying.

59:10SPEAKERDo you have to restart it on the camera

59:11SPEAKERor does the camera keep sending its feed cleanly?

59:14SPEAKER- So I reboot the camera like once a week

59:17SPEAKER'cause it seems to happen more often

59:19SPEAKERwhen the camera has been up for a long time.

59:21SPEAKERBut generally speaking,

59:22SPEAKERI just have to start and stop the stream

59:24SPEAKER'cause I have it, like it's just disconnecting

59:26SPEAKERand reconnecting to the RTSP stream.

59:28SPEAKER- That should be automatable.

59:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I can do it with bit focus or something.

59:34SPEAKERIt's no problem, but yeah.

59:35SPEAKERIt's just, I feel like it's something I shouldn't have to do.

59:37SPEAKER- Yes.

59:38SPEAKERBrad, I think that's the end of our questions and answers.

59:41SPEAKERI think we had an enormous crop of good questions this month

59:44SPEAKERso we might continue it on the patron episode this month

59:46SPEAKERif that sounds good to you.

59:47SPEAKER- Yes, we might do that.

59:49SPEAKERAlthough I sure do have a lot of PC stuff

59:51SPEAKERto talk about as well.

59:52SPEAKER- I mean, we could do that too.

59:54SPEAKERYeah.

59:55SPEAKER- Some of both.

59:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:57SPEAKERBut we've reached the end of the show,

59:58SPEAKERwhich is when we thank our patrons as always.

1:00:01SPEAKERThank you, patrons.

1:00:02SPEAKERWe appreciate you.

1:00:03SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.

1:00:04SPEAKERThank you, patrons.

1:00:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:06SPEAKERIf you would like to find out how to support the show,

1:00:08SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.

1:00:11SPEAKERAgain, that's patreon.com/techpod.

1:00:13SPEAKERAnd for five bucks a month, you can join the Discord.

1:00:15SPEAKERYou get access to the patron episode,

1:00:17SPEAKERwhich is kind of rambly most of the time,

1:00:19SPEAKERbut sometimes it's not.

1:00:20SPEAKERI don't know.

1:00:23SPEAKERIt's like stream of consciousness.

1:00:25SPEAKERHere's the things we're interested in right now every month

1:00:28SPEAKERthat we don't talk about on the main show.

1:00:32SPEAKERI'm gonna thank our patrons now.

1:00:33SPEAKERWe have a bunch of them.

1:00:34SPEAKERSo thank you to Octothorpe Bunny Crimes,

1:00:37SPEAKERAndrew Slosky, Brad's Midsize Hoodoo Voodoo Switcheroo,

1:00:40SPEAKERPaddle Creek Games Makers of Fractured Veil,

1:00:43SPEAKERDavid Allen, James Kamek, Joel Krauska, Just Wedge,

1:00:47SPEAKERNick Johnston, and Twinkle Twinkie.

1:00:49SPEAKERThose are our executive producers here, patrons.

1:00:51SPEAKERBut since it's the end of the month,

1:00:52SPEAKERwe also thank our associate producer tier patrons,

1:00:55SPEAKERincluding Alejandro Navarro, Andre M. Burke,

1:00:58SPEAKERArthur Gies, Ben Tolman, Dave Ullian, Eric Klein,

1:01:02SPEAKERGraham Banks, Chad Rita, Jason Rooney the ref,

1:01:05SPEAKERJay Mabey, Matt Walker, parentheses Walkman8080,

1:01:09SPEAKERclose parentheses, Nathan Phelps, Sanchik Kumar,

1:01:12SPEAKERSteve Lin, Thomas Shea, and Tom Hilton.

1:01:15SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.

1:01:16SPEAKER- Yes, thank you, thank you.

1:01:18SPEAKER- Our friends over at Good Day Internet do a thing

1:01:19SPEAKERwhere they thank the newest patron too,

1:01:21SPEAKERwhich I think is an interesting idea.

1:01:24SPEAKER- That's a neat idea.

1:01:26SPEAKER- Yeah, and I'm going to do that right now

1:01:31SPEAKERif I can figure out how to do it,

1:01:33SPEAKERhow to find the most recent patron.

1:01:35SPEAKER- Let's put your Patreon user list filtering skills

1:01:39SPEAKERto the test in real time.

1:01:40SPEAKER- Oh, this isn't going great.

1:01:44SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.

1:01:45SPEAKER- I can't make the windows.

1:01:47SPEAKERI thought this was going to be a good segment.

1:01:48SPEAKERIt's a bad segment.

1:01:49SPEAKEROh, hey, joint date, hold on.

1:01:51SPEAKER- I don't know about my ability to fill.

1:01:53SPEAKER- No, no, you got this.

1:01:54SPEAKERWhy is this window so, why is it not?

1:01:56SPEAKEROh my God, why is it?

1:01:58SPEAKERPatreon, why are you not making the window wider?

1:02:00SPEAKERCome on, man.

1:02:01SPEAKER- You can't talk to websites, I'm sorry.

1:02:03SPEAKER- Not yet.

1:02:03SPEAKER- I'm not allowed to talk to a website.

1:02:05SPEAKER- Maybe we can do whatever we want.

1:02:06SPEAKER- Can I tell you, I was playing Dead Island 2 last night

1:02:10SPEAKERand it wanted me to hook it up to Alexa

1:02:13SPEAKERso I could yell at the zombies.

1:02:16SPEAKER- Oh, okay, we have to end this.

1:02:18SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.

1:02:19SPEAKERIt's Luke Donnelly is our newest patron.

1:02:21SPEAKERSo thanks, Luke.

1:02:22SPEAKER- Thank you, thank you, Luke.

1:02:23SPEAKER- Welcome, hello.

1:02:24SPEAKERI'll play this better next week, I promise.

1:02:26SPEAKER- Do not hook Alexa into your video games, I'm sorry.

1:02:28SPEAKERJust don't.

1:02:29SPEAKER- Hey, zombie, you can lure him into traps.

1:02:31SPEAKERYou can make ruses.

1:02:33SPEAKER- I don't know, man, I don't know.

1:02:34SPEAKER- Seems like a bad idea.

1:02:36SPEAKERSee y'all next week.