00:00SPEAKER- Have you ever wanted to claw your own eyes out?
00:02SPEAKER- No, no, not at all.
00:04SPEAKERIt's never even come up.
00:06SPEAKER- Huh, okay, well, that makes one of us, I guess.
00:09SPEAKER- Brad, are you okay?
00:11SPEAKERDo I need to call?
00:12SPEAKERAre there some help lines we can call if we need to?
00:15SPEAKER- I mean, in an absolute sense, I'm okay, yes.
00:18SPEAKERYou don't actually need to worry,
00:19SPEAKERbut like in an immediate whinier sense,
00:24SPEAKERnot as, dude, the allergy season is,
00:27SPEAKERI don't even know what to say,
00:29SPEAKERother than I landed on an article
00:32SPEAKERpublished by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
00:35SPEAKER- Oh, the USDA.
00:36SPEAKER- The same, the very same, saying yes,
00:40SPEAKERallergy seasons are getting worse,
00:41SPEAKERit's climate change's fault.
00:43SPEAKER- I can see that.
00:44SPEAKERI, last night I had to cancel my stream
00:47SPEAKERbecause I had a headache, like a sinus headache so bad
00:50SPEAKERthat I had to go lay in a dark room
00:52SPEAKERand I just put on some quiet chill music.
00:55SPEAKER- That's a good thing to do.
00:56SPEAKERCold compress, cold, something cold on the eyes.
00:59SPEAKERI spent about 30 minutes this morning
01:02SPEAKERwith an ice cube pressed up against my eyes.
01:04SPEAKER- Oh.
01:05SPEAKER- Which helped quite a bit.
01:07SPEAKERAlso, I found an article talking about the California rains,
01:12SPEAKERbecause we've got an insane amount of rain,
01:14SPEAKERnot only has everything grown like crazy,
01:16SPEAKERbut apparently the very hard pounding rain
01:18SPEAKERbreaks up the pollen more into smaller particles.
01:21SPEAKER- Fantastic.
01:21SPEAKER- And makes, which makes it easier
01:23SPEAKERto like lodge into your sinuses.
01:26SPEAKER- So I've noticed coming out and looking at my car
01:28SPEAKERin the morning on any given day,
01:31SPEAKERI have a dark gray black car
01:33SPEAKERand it's often like got a yellow tinge
01:36SPEAKERjust from the pollen all over it.
01:37SPEAKERIt's been great this year.
01:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been a lot.
01:40SPEAKERI am on one, two, three, four, four allergy,
01:46SPEAKERI've taken four allergy medications in the last hour.
01:49SPEAKER- That's too many, Brad.
01:49SPEAKER- I've got a fifth, I've got Claritin in there
01:52SPEAKERthat I was thinking about, I don't know.
01:53SPEAKER- Just in case you jacked up on your antihistamines, huh?
01:56SPEAKER- God, I got the Flonase, I've got the Allegra,
01:59SPEAKERI've got the Benadryl.
02:01SPEAKER- So, okay, if I had taken a Benadryl and Allegra,
02:04SPEAKERI'd be unconscious right now, but.
02:06SPEAKER- Well, time to podcast.
02:07SPEAKER(upbeat music)
02:23SPEAKER(upbeat music)
02:36SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.
02:38SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
02:39SPEAKER- It's Girl Scout cookie season, Brad.
02:42SPEAKERI mean, it's actually, today's the last day
02:44SPEAKERof Girl Scout cookie season.
02:45SPEAKERIf you're listening to this podcast on Sunday.
02:47SPEAKER- Thank God, it's been a rough season around here.
02:51SPEAKER- Wow, that's harsh on the Girl Scouts.
02:52SPEAKERI don't need the temptation anymore.
02:55SPEAKER- They, I don't think I've actually eaten any this year.
02:57SPEAKER- What?
02:58SPEAKER- I know, I maybe had one Samoa,
03:02SPEAKERbut I realized, I've talked about this before
03:05SPEAKERon the podcast, but like, there's like a death window
03:08SPEAKERfrom Halloween until Easter that encompasses like,
03:14SPEAKERHalloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas,
03:18SPEAKERMartin Luther King Day, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day,
03:23SPEAKERall the candy holidays, right?
03:25SPEAKERAnd Girl Scout cookies.
03:26SPEAKER- St. Patrick's is a candy, MLK, are those actually
03:29SPEAKERcandy holidays? - I don't think MLK
03:30SPEAKERactually is, but like there's gold chocolate coins
03:32SPEAKERon St. Patrick's Day, usually in our house, yeah.
03:35SPEAKERAnd just between the, like, I love our neighbors,
03:38SPEAKERthey bring so many Christmas cookies over.
03:41SPEAKERLike we get, we had a whole counter in our kitchen
03:45SPEAKERwas filled with like Christmas cookies and cupcakes
03:47SPEAKERand little cakes and it was delicious and it was wonderful.
03:50SPEAKERBut like, at some point I was just like, man,
03:53SPEAKERI wanna have nothing sweet in the house ever again.
03:56SPEAKER- You paid, you spent six months indulging
03:58SPEAKERand then six months paying for it.
04:00SPEAKER- Yeah, and Girl Scout cookies land
04:02SPEAKERright at the end of that season.
04:03SPEAKERI'm doing a great job selling the Girl Scout cookies
04:05SPEAKERby the way right now.
04:06SPEAKERGirl Scout cookies land at the end of that season
04:08SPEAKERand this year I was just like, no, I'm good.
04:11SPEAKERI'm not gonna do another five pounds of Girl Scout cookies.
04:13SPEAKERI can't, I can't put that on this year.
04:15SPEAKER- It's an impressive display of willpower,
04:17SPEAKERI have to say, willpower.
04:19SPEAKER- Well, I mean, and then the thing that happens is
04:21SPEAKERwhatever we don't sell ends up like going in the freezer
04:25SPEAKERbecause like they don't take, the Girl Scouts,
04:29SPEAKERthey don't take the cookies back
04:31SPEAKERif you don't sell them, you know?
04:32SPEAKERSo-- - Really?
04:33SPEAKERI did not realize that.
04:34SPEAKER- No, it's a strong incentive to move some fucking cookies
04:37SPEAKERbecause otherwise I'm buying a lot of cookies.
04:39SPEAKER- What are they, six bucks a box now?
04:41SPEAKER- Six bucks a box.
04:43SPEAKERThere's 180 boxes of cookies in my living room right now.
04:46SPEAKER- Oh my, that's a lot of cookie.
04:47SPEAKER- Yeah, we're going, we're doing a,
04:51SPEAKERI think the final, hopefully the final booth
04:53SPEAKERdown at Sam's Chowder House
04:55SPEAKERas soon as we get off the podcast basically.
04:57SPEAKER- Chowder and cookies, my favorite.
04:59SPEAKER- It's a lobster roll place,
05:00SPEAKERbut they do also have clam chowder.
05:03SPEAKERBut yeah, so anyway, the upshot is
05:05SPEAKERI gotta move these Girl Scout cookies.
05:07SPEAKERWe've started doing, we started doing Venmo
05:12SPEAKERat the cookie booths.
05:13SPEAKER- Oh yeah, we came out of Safeway three, four weeks ago
05:18SPEAKERand there was a stand there that was cash only
05:22SPEAKERand they had a ton of boxes left.
05:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:25SPEAKER- And my girlfriend said exactly that.
05:27SPEAKERShe was like, oh man, that little girl's really
05:29SPEAKERhamstringing herself by not taking Venmo or PayPal
05:32SPEAKERor like something that's not cash.
05:34SPEAKER- Well, it's a little bit of a,
05:36SPEAKERI mean, I feel a little bad about it
05:37SPEAKER'cause it's kind of a privilege thing too, right?
05:38SPEAKERLike you have to be able to do Venmo, right?
05:42SPEAKERWhich I guess means you have to have a phone.
05:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:44SPEAKER- Or your parent has to have a phone.
05:47SPEAKERIt is, and you have to be able to,
05:50SPEAKERlike the Venmo money has to be fungible enough for you
05:53SPEAKERthat you can get it out and afford to eat
05:54SPEAKERthe whatever transaction cost is
05:56SPEAKERfrom extracting money from Venmo.
05:57SPEAKERThere may not be one, depending on how you set it up.
06:00SPEAKERBut anyway, Venmo has been very good to us.
06:02SPEAKERWe just have a, I have the yo, my toner is low
06:07SPEAKERversion right here that says pay with cash, credit or Venmo.
06:10SPEAKER- That's an old printer for sure, is it?
06:12SPEAKER- Well, I'm just out of toner.
06:15SPEAKER- Is it a brother?
06:17SPEAKER- It is a brother.
06:17SPEAKER- It is, look, you don't say.
06:20SPEAKER- Let me go and tell you, the church of the wire cutter
06:23SPEAKERis strong in this house.
06:24SPEAKER- Oh, sure, I don't know about you,
06:26SPEAKERbut my brother long predates the wire cutter.
06:29SPEAKERDid you see that verge piece?
06:31SPEAKER- No.
06:32SPEAKER- You should look it up.
06:33SPEAKER- About the brother printers?
06:34SPEAKER- Yes.
06:35SPEAKER- I did see the verge piece, yes.
06:36SPEAKER- I did.
06:37SPEAKERI have maybe never felt more validated than I did
06:40SPEAKERwhen I saw that because I've, by and large,
06:44SPEAKERI have just gotten a lot of grief from people
06:45SPEAKERin recent years for even owning a printer.
06:47SPEAKERBut then I saw that go up and I actually didn't realize
06:51SPEAKERI just pulled this piece up.
06:52SPEAKERThey straight up formatted it like a wire cutter.
06:54SPEAKERThe best printer in 2023, just by the brother laser printer,
06:59SPEAKEReveryone has, it's fun.
07:00SPEAKER- Yeah, like, so here's the, my dirty secret
07:06SPEAKERis that Gina bought a brother laser printer in like 2005
07:10SPEAKERwhen she started working from home.
07:12SPEAKERIt was a combo fax machine printer scanner.
07:15SPEAKER- That's older than mine.
07:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it had 802.11 B and G, but not N.
07:23SPEAKERAnd about a year, about six months into the pandemic,
07:27SPEAKERwhen we had to start printing a ton of stuff
07:29SPEAKERfor the kiddo's school, it started squeaking.
07:33SPEAKERAnd I took it apart a couple of times
07:35SPEAKERto try to find the piece of, the shiv of paper
07:37SPEAKERthat was in there making the squeaking sound.
07:39SPEAKERAnd then I looked at what a new printer costs
07:41SPEAKERand how much smaller they are and the fact
07:43SPEAKERthat it doesn't require 802.11 B networking to work.
07:46SPEAKERAnd I was like, I'm gonna pay 80 bucks
07:48SPEAKERand buy a brand new brother printer and it's great,
07:50SPEAKERexcept it comes with a starter toner cartridge
07:54SPEAKERthat is like a third filled or some bullshit.
07:57SPEAKERSo I got to order a new toner is the takeaway.
07:59SPEAKER- I think you can, I think you can get aftermarket
08:02SPEAKERthird-party toner cartridges for those, right?
08:05SPEAKERAt least you could for mine.
08:06SPEAKER- It's cheap enough that I kind of don't care.
08:08SPEAKER- We have a refill.
08:09SPEAKEROh, you mean even the brother made toners cheap?
08:12SPEAKER- The brother made one is cheap enough that it's fine.
08:15SPEAKER- I've replaced the toner once in 15 years.
08:19SPEAKERIt's been almost exactly 15 years
08:21SPEAKERsince I bought that printer and one toner replacement.
08:24SPEAKER- So we print a little bit more than that,
08:26SPEAKERbut like I did a toner cartridge in the old brother printer
08:30SPEAKERwould last two, three years probably.
08:32SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
08:37SPEAKER- When I started FU, it was a little more difficult
08:40SPEAKERto do paperless than it is now.
08:43SPEAKER- Fair, a lot of contracts.
08:44SPEAKER- I had to print a lot of stuff and sign it
08:46SPEAKERand then send pictures back because people always wanted,
08:50SPEAKERit's not a wet signature if you don't have the piece of paper
08:52SPEAKERwith the ink on it, but it's like--
08:54SPEAKER- I was just about to say, I was just introduced
08:57SPEAKERto the phrase wet signature about two weeks ago.
09:00SPEAKERI don't like it.
09:01SPEAKERI continue to not like it.
09:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I think of the ones that like you sign
09:05SPEAKERand take the picture of or scan as a moist signature,
09:07SPEAKERI think is where that ends.
09:09SPEAKER- Okay, sure.
09:09SPEAKERThat's maybe, actually, moist maybe not much better
09:13SPEAKERnow that I think about it.
09:16SPEAKER- So this week we're gonna go back,
09:17SPEAKERwe're going back to the content mines
09:20SPEAKERand we're bringing back a favorite form of episode
09:24SPEAKERfor folks.
09:25SPEAKERIt's not, look, like eight of you have asked for us
09:30SPEAKERto continue the ranking of all software.
09:33SPEAKERA much larger group of people were like,
09:35SPEAKER"Hey man, maybe don't ever do that episode again."
09:38SPEAKER- I completely forgot we did that.
09:39SPEAKER- Yeah, look, we were in a little bit,
09:42SPEAKERit was a fever dream this holiday season.
09:43SPEAKER- It was a bit of a, "Hey, let's just try to figure out
09:46SPEAKER"what we can do to run over the holidays.
09:48SPEAKER"This sounds fun."
09:49SPEAKERI enjoyed it.
09:51SPEAKER- I enjoyed that conversation, yeah, it was fun.
09:53SPEAKER- Maybe, what if we just removed the ranking part
09:55SPEAKERand we just brought some fun show and tell software
09:58SPEAKERto talk about?
09:59SPEAKER- That's an interesting idea.
10:01SPEAKERPut that one in the file.
10:02SPEAKER- Yes.
10:03SPEAKER- But we're doing a potpourri episode this week, so.
10:06SPEAKER- Also known as a conversation.
10:08SPEAKER- Well, but I mean, the idea of the potpourri episode is,
10:12SPEAKERhere's some topics that aren't meaty enough
10:14SPEAKERto warrant a full hours conversation,
10:17SPEAKERbut are still interesting enough to talk about.
10:18SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:19SPEAKER- So, I mean, that's it.
10:22SPEAKERWe're gonna get into a handful of things
10:26SPEAKERthat probably don't stand on their own
10:27SPEAKERand maybe touch on one that I'm kind of borderline on,
10:31SPEAKERlike, we touched on fan control last week.
10:35SPEAKERThe more time I spend on fan control,
10:37SPEAKERthe more I think it's probably worthy of an episode
10:40SPEAKER'cause it is a really interesting,
10:42SPEAKERcomplicated piece of software.
10:43SPEAKER- Okay, I set it up yesterday, as a matter of fact.
10:46SPEAKER- Ooh.
10:47SPEAKERWell, okay, let's save that one for the end
10:49SPEAKERin case we have time.
10:49SPEAKER- Okay.
10:50SPEAKER- Right, just tease it.
10:52SPEAKER- I do need to talk about GPU fans while we're here, but--
10:54SPEAKER- You wanna start with that?
10:55SPEAKERYou wanna kick it off with that?
10:56SPEAKER- We could.
10:57SPEAKERWe could talk about my burb cam.
10:59SPEAKERBurb cam, burb, burb cam, burb cam.
11:02SPEAKER- How is the bird doing?
11:03SPEAKERActually, hold on.
11:04SPEAKER- Yeah. - I'll answer that.
11:06SPEAKER- You can just see it for yourself.
11:07SPEAKER- I can tell you the bird is currently out.
11:10SPEAKERNope, she just came back. - She just came back.
11:11SPEAKER- Yeah. - Wow.
11:12SPEAKER- It looks like she's about to poop.
11:14SPEAKER- Dude, wow, she enters the frame so fast,
11:16SPEAKERit's almost like she teleports in.
11:18SPEAKERThat was incredible.
11:19SPEAKER- It's a 30 frames per second camera.
11:20SPEAKER- I was gonna say the frame rate's probably low enough
11:22SPEAKERto enhance that effect, but she literally,
11:25SPEAKERit was like two frames from her not being there
11:27SPEAKERto her being there.
11:28SPEAKERThat was kind of incredible. - Oh, there's the boy.
11:30SPEAKERThere's the male, oh no.
11:30SPEAKER- Oh, wow, look at him.
11:32SPEAKER- We're getting a whole scene.
11:33SPEAKERThis is a great audio podcast here.
11:35SPEAKER- What are they doing?
11:36SPEAKER- She's, he's feeding her.
11:37SPEAKER- Wait.
11:39SPEAKER- So she has to sit on the eggs.
11:41SPEAKERHer job is sit on the eggs and he brings food.
11:43SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't realize they hadn't hatched yet.
11:45SPEAKER- No, no, no, they're just eggs still.
11:47SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
11:48SPEAKER- So, so yeah, so, okay.
11:51SPEAKERSo for people who don't, aren't paying attention
11:54SPEAKERto every single thing that we do.
11:56SPEAKERWe went, when we went to Tahoe a couple of weeks ago,
11:58SPEAKERwe came back and there was a bird nest on our front porch.
12:01SPEAKERAnd I did this thing any sane person would do
12:04SPEAKERand went to Amazon and bought an IP cam,
12:06SPEAKERa cheap IP cam and screwed it into the,
12:09SPEAKERas close as I could get it to the bird's nest
12:11SPEAKERwithout making them angry and sad.
12:13SPEAKERAnd then tried a couple of different ways.
12:17SPEAKERLike you can stream straight to RTMP sources
12:20SPEAKERfrom most IP cams these days.
12:21SPEAKER- Really?
12:22SPEAKER- Yeah, but then you can't adjust framing
12:24SPEAKERand you can't like put music and stuff like that on it.
12:26SPEAKERSo.
12:27SPEAKER- Oh, so is that camera streaming?
12:28SPEAKERSo yeah, I guess we talked about this a little bit
12:30SPEAKERlast week, but I guess the update here is that
12:32SPEAKERwe should talk about your process and your tech here.
12:34SPEAKERSo is that camera streaming directly to,
12:36SPEAKERis it going straight to an ingest server at Twitch?
12:39SPEAKER- Well, so that's what I did for the first day.
12:42SPEAKERBecause of the, okay, because the bird's nest
12:45SPEAKERis in a space with like three inches of clearance,
12:48SPEAKERI wasn't able to get the camera aimed
12:50SPEAKERso that up was up in any way
12:52SPEAKERthat the camera software could appreciate.
12:55SPEAKER- I did notice that you've added
12:57SPEAKERthis little down arrow annotation here.
12:59SPEAKER- Well, so originally though,
13:02SPEAKERthere was no rotation on the camera frame.
13:04SPEAKERSo if you, again, if you want to follow along and see,
13:07SPEAKERthe stream is probably running at twitch.tv/notthatwillsmith
13:11SPEAKERat any given moment during the day.
13:13SPEAKERSo I'm gonna, this is what the,
13:16SPEAKERthis is what the feed originally looked like, Brad.
13:18SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
13:19SPEAKER- With it rotated like that.
13:20SPEAKERAnd basically people couldn't tell which way was up.
13:27SPEAKERBecause there's no, it was confusing.
13:29SPEAKERSo first I put the this way down and then,
13:31SPEAKERand then that didn't, I couldn't,
13:32SPEAKERI couldn't overlay that on the video
13:35SPEAKERbecause the camera doesn't let you,
13:36SPEAKERit lets you put words, but not images.
13:39SPEAKERAnd then I was just like, wait,
13:40SPEAKERI can probably just pipe a stream
13:42SPEAKERfrom the camera directly into OBS.
13:46SPEAKERAnd I Googled that and like 30 seconds later,
13:48SPEAKERI had the answer and sure enough,
13:50SPEAKERyou can put an RTSP stream that the camera,
13:53SPEAKERthat OBS connects to the camera is like, hey man,
13:55SPEAKERgive me a stream.
13:56SPEAKERThe camera's like, yeah, sure, okay, whatever.
13:58SPEAKER- Don't tell me real time streaming protocol, I think.
14:03SPEAKERDude, I spent, I know we've talked about this before.
14:06SPEAKERI spent a lot of time three years ago during the pandemic
14:09SPEAKERlooking at streaming protocols.
14:10SPEAKER- Oh yeah, different ways to get high quality video
14:13SPEAKERout of OBS and into mixers.
14:15SPEAKER- Yes, or straight to a streaming service.
14:17SPEAKER- The number, the point is the number of streaming protocols
14:20SPEAKERthat are some combination of the letters R, T, S and P
14:25SPEAKERis absolutely ridiculous.
14:26SPEAKERThere's RTP, there's RTSP, there's RTMP, there's SRT.
14:31SPEAKERIt's like maybe a little more creativity is called for
14:34SPEAKERin your protocol naming.
14:35SPEAKER- Well, but I think some of them are the same,
14:36SPEAKERjust it's whether it's a push or a pull, right?
14:39SPEAKER- I'm not sure about that.
14:40SPEAKER- RTSP and RTMP work identically except for one,
14:45SPEAKERyou go and ask for and one you send up to a repeater.
14:48SPEAKER- Some of them, yeah, some of them are, I think,
14:50SPEAKERkind of a superset.
14:51SPEAKERIt's like, I can't remember which are which,
14:54SPEAKERbut like some of them will use,
14:56SPEAKERsome of them will use a lower level protocol on one port
14:59SPEAKERand then like some extra stuff on another port.
15:02SPEAKERSo some of them actually encompass others.
15:04SPEAKERIt's a lot to keep up with.
15:06SPEAKER- Well, so anyway, I bought this, it's a 4K.
15:11SPEAKERI bought it mainly 'cause it has decent night vision.
15:14SPEAKERI went and made sure that the birds don't get bothered,
15:18SPEAKERthat birds can't see IR,
15:20SPEAKER'cause I didn't wanna like eye blast the birds all night,
15:23SPEAKERevery night.
15:25SPEAKERBut so we have a house finch,
15:28SPEAKERwe have a family of a pair of house finches.
15:30SPEAKER- Ooh, you've identified the species.
15:32SPEAKER- Yeah, well, it's hard to tell the difference
15:34SPEAKERbetween house finches and purple finches, we learned.
15:36SPEAKERPurple finches on the West Coast typically have a crest.
15:39SPEAKERHouse finches are the similar coloring,
15:41SPEAKERusually a little more reddish for the male.
15:43SPEAKERThe females have a distinctive mark above their eyes,
15:46SPEAKERwhich you can see on our girl here.
15:49SPEAKER- You got that finch. - When she looks
15:50SPEAKERthe right way, we got that finch.
15:51SPEAKER- You got that finch.
15:52SPEAKER- She sings, they sing.
15:53SPEAKERWhen the male comes and brings food for her,
15:56SPEAKERshe's very excited and kind of chirps
15:58SPEAKERand sings every morning.
15:59SPEAKER- Does that camera have a microphone?
16:01SPEAKER- It does not, because that camera is about three feet
16:04SPEAKERfrom my couch and I didn't want everybody on streams
16:06SPEAKERto be able to hear every conversation I have.
16:08SPEAKER- Fair, that's a good point.
16:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so I intentionally bought one without a microphone.
16:13SPEAKERThe, so the setup is IP bird cam, IP security cam.
16:19SPEAKERI bought an Amcrest 4K, which was like,
16:22SPEAKERit was on sale for 80 bucks when I looked for it.
16:25SPEAKERIt could get here the next day, which seemed important.
16:27SPEAKERIt had a weather casing.
16:29SPEAKER- Okay, are they a known brand?
16:30SPEAKERI had not heard of them before, but.
16:32SPEAKER- They make a bazillion cameras.
16:36SPEAKERAlso, they didn't have any cloud bullshit.
16:38SPEAKERThat was my other criteria, is I wanted something
16:40SPEAKERthat I could keep entirely within my network
16:43SPEAKERand not have to go up to their servers.
16:44SPEAKER- That's really exactly what I was asking
16:47SPEAKERin terms of their reputation,
16:48SPEAKERbecause I am super skittish about the Alexa age
16:52SPEAKERof video and audio recording devices in the home.
16:55SPEAKERSo yeah, something, the more like open and unconnected
16:58SPEAKERsomething is, the better in that space to me.
17:00SPEAKER- Yeah, so this one is, it was also PoE,
17:04SPEAKER'cause I didn't wanna have to run multiple,
17:06SPEAKERpower over ethernet, 'cause I didn't wanna have
17:07SPEAKERto run multiple cables.
17:09SPEAKERThey offer some cloud stuff.
17:10SPEAKERIt's optional, you can turn it off
17:12SPEAKERand I was happy to do that.
17:14SPEAKERAnd it's not looking at ports outside the network, so.
17:18SPEAKER- Do you, how do you administrate it?
17:21SPEAKERDoes it have a web interface?
17:22SPEAKER- It has a web interface, but there's an app too.
17:24SPEAKERYou can, if you load up the app, it scans your network
17:27SPEAKERand finds the IPs that respond on the right port.
17:29SPEAKER- That's cool.
17:30SPEAKER- Yeah, but I plugged it into my UniFi switch
17:34SPEAKERand the UniFi console was like, hey, this device is on now
17:38SPEAKERand it has this IP address.
17:39SPEAKERAnd then I typed that IP address in and I was right there.
17:42SPEAKER- You know, I don't wanna steal your thunder or anything,
17:43SPEAKERbut you doing this has got me thinking again
17:45SPEAKERabout piggy cams.
17:47SPEAKER- I am happy to help you figure out the piggy cam setup
17:50SPEAKERif you would like.
17:51SPEAKERI'm also, so other thing I'm doing is I'm piping
17:54SPEAKERin chill lo-fi beats from Pretzel Rocks,
17:59SPEAKERwhich is like a streamer friendly royalty free music site.
18:06SPEAKERLike no copyright, no royalty problems.
18:10SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.
18:10SPEAKER- Wow, that's awesome, I didn't know that existed.
18:13SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's like 10 bucks a month
18:15SPEAKERor something like that.
18:16SPEAKERAnd it's basically Spotify for royalty free stuff.
18:19SPEAKERSo I run the app on my machine.
18:21SPEAKERI'm piping the audio out to my Steam streaming microphone.
18:26SPEAKERAnd then I'm using the OBS experimental capture,
18:30SPEAKERexperimental application audio capture to just grab that.
18:34SPEAKERSo I don't have to hear the Pretzel stuff on my PC
18:37SPEAKERwhen I'm just doing it.
18:38SPEAKERI'm using the same PC that I'm using to stream this right now
18:41SPEAKERand it's just working, so that's pretty cool.
18:43SPEAKER- Do you know you could, I don't know if you care enough
18:46SPEAKERor not, but you could set up a big,
18:49SPEAKERit would be pretty complicated, but a big FFmpeg filter.
18:52SPEAKERSo you can run the stream headlessly if you want.
18:54SPEAKER- I absolutely could do that.
18:56SPEAKER- You could do a transform on the raw video coming in
19:00SPEAKERto rotate it and place it the way you want.
19:02SPEAKERAnd you could make like an overlay image
19:03SPEAKERor another video even.
19:04SPEAKERI kind of got into like looking at overlays and transitions
19:07SPEAKERand stuff in FFmpeg.
19:08SPEAKERI mean, it would be, the command line would be a mile long
19:11SPEAKERand it would be very tricky
19:12SPEAKER'cause the syntax is insane in that thing.
19:14SPEAKERBut you could like run this on your B-link if you wanted to.
19:16SPEAKER- So I do FFmpeg stuff to do Steam streaming
19:20SPEAKERfor the Anacrusis when that goes.
19:22SPEAKER- Okay, so you've done some of that then.
19:24SPEAKER- But the thing I find is that you need another script
19:27SPEAKERthat runs around that to restart it
19:29SPEAKERwhen it like loses connection or drops or whatever.
19:31SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.
19:33SPEAKERIs that a network connectivity thing or is this,
19:34SPEAKERis the camera just not reliable enough to stay up?
19:37SPEAKER- It's a Twitch, it's either a Twitch
19:41SPEAKERor network connectivity thing between me and Twitch.
19:43SPEAKERSo if the Twitch connection gets, okay.
19:47SPEAKEROkay, so there's two things.
19:48SPEAKEROne is that I do have to reset the network camera,
19:51SPEAKERthe RTSP stream occasionally,
19:53SPEAKER'cause it does get a little glitchy
19:54SPEAKERover a period of 20 hours, 10 to 20 hours.
19:59SPEAKERThe other issue is that you do have to restart
20:04SPEAKERthe Twitch stream occasionally.
20:05SPEAKER- Okay, that would be doable.
20:07SPEAKER- And Twitch kicks you off.
20:09SPEAKERHonestly, I'm happy running this in OBS
20:12SPEAKER'cause I can still use virtual camera for a different scene,
20:14SPEAKERwhich is what I use OBS for on my desktop most of the time.
20:17SPEAKERAnd this lets me have a live feed
20:19SPEAKERinto what's going on on the bird
20:21SPEAKERwhen I'm sitting at my desk, which I like.
20:23SPEAKER- So can you, hang on.
20:25SPEAKERSo you're saying you're streaming out of OBS
20:26SPEAKERto Twitch the bird stuff, but you can still use virtual.
20:28SPEAKERI thought that virtual camera only outputted
20:31SPEAKERwhatever was in the program feed.
20:33SPEAKER- No, when you set up virtual camera,
20:34SPEAKERyou choose which scene is your camera scene.
20:36SPEAKER- Oh, no kidding.
20:37SPEAKER- Yeah, so you can use that independently.
20:39SPEAKER- So, wow, I thought you could not access the camera,
20:42SPEAKERthe virtual camera while you were streaming something else
20:44SPEAKERout, oh, that's good to know.
20:45SPEAKER- No, yeah, it's much more useful than I,
20:48SPEAKERI found that out a few weeks ago and I was like,
20:49SPEAKERoh, this changes how I feel about virtual camera.
20:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:53SPEAKER- And I already liked virtual camera a lot.
20:55SPEAKER- And so I assume that means you can tweak
20:57SPEAKERthat the camera scene and have that be effective
20:59SPEAKERin real time, regardless of what's, wow.
21:02SPEAKER- So I opened it up in studio mode,
21:04SPEAKERcan adjust the camera scene.
21:06SPEAKER- In the preview.
21:07SPEAKER- In the preview, and then that,
21:08SPEAKERbut that is reflected immediately in the virtual.
21:10SPEAKER- Oh, that's awesome, I am going to mess with that.
21:12SPEAKEROh, you're virtual camming as we speak?
21:14SPEAKER- I'm virtual camming, right, oh, that's awesome.
21:16SPEAKER- Also, hang on, wow, look at that.
21:18SPEAKERYour frame's just flying around.
21:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm all over the place.
21:22SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, do you not always use studio mode?
21:25SPEAKER- I hardly ever use studio mode.
21:27SPEAKER- Really, studio mode is the only way to go
21:29SPEAKERas far as I'm concerned, but.
21:31SPEAKER- Well, so most of my stuff, I use one scene.
21:34SPEAKERLike I have a scene before the stream starts,
21:36SPEAKERand then I have a scene when I need to, like,
21:40SPEAKERget up from the desk or something.
21:41SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair, I guess you pretty much stream
21:43SPEAKERthe same way every day, so that makes sense.
21:47SPEAKERI just like, sorry.
21:48SPEAKER- My scenes are complicated.
21:50SPEAKERThe scene that I use is complicated,
21:52SPEAKERbut the number of scenes I have is relatively straightforward.
21:55SPEAKER- That's probably fine, that makes sense.
21:56SPEAKERI just like having a net, I like having a buffer
21:59SPEAKERbetween scene changes, so that if I select the wrong thing
22:03SPEAKERor don't want something to go out,
22:04SPEAKERyou have time to not do it.
22:06SPEAKER- Part of the no studio mode is a legacy
22:12SPEAKERof the Stream Deck software not supporting
22:17SPEAKERstudio mode properly, so not giving you a good way
22:19SPEAKERto transition between scenes.
22:21SPEAKER- Oh, has that changed?
22:23SPEAKERI've dabbled with it a little bit
22:24SPEAKERnow that I'm using the Stream Deck.
22:25SPEAKERIt seems to support scene transition stuff pretty well now.
22:29SPEAKER- Last year, they added support,
22:30SPEAKERor last year moved in 2021, but I've been using it
22:33SPEAKERfor five years, four, five, six years at this point.
22:36SPEAKER- Well, hey, what if you didn't use the Elgato software
22:38SPEAKERat all to run your Stream Deck?
22:40SPEAKER- Oh, that was a nice segue, Brad.
22:44SPEAKERSo yeah, there's this Bitfocus companion thing,
22:46SPEAKERwhich is an open source project.
22:49SPEAKER- Is it?
22:50SPEAKER- Yes.
22:51SPEAKER- Okay, so yeah, you have evangelized Bitfocus.
22:54SPEAKEROh yeah, here's the repo, because when you go
22:56SPEAKERto their website, they ask you to create an account
22:58SPEAKERto download it.
22:59SPEAKER- So they do that, I actually don't have any idea
23:03SPEAKERwhy they do that.
23:04SPEAKERThere's a fact that explains why they do that,
23:06SPEAKERbut I haven't cared enough to read it.
23:07SPEAKER- I think I did read why, there quite literally is,
23:09SPEAKERwhy do you want us to make an account
23:11SPEAKERto download the software?
23:12SPEAKERIs it totally free?
23:14SPEAKER- Totally free.
23:15SPEAKER- It seems like it, yes, here's the repo right here.
23:17SPEAKER- They are, they're in the process of building
23:22SPEAKERsome patronage type, like, hey, you can get some bonus stuff.
23:28SPEAKERIf you give us money type support for this.
23:31SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, it's got 60 contributors.
23:33SPEAKERIt is definitely a fully false thing.
23:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so basically it's designed to be a cross platform,
23:42SPEAKER'cause it works with other kind of stream deck-like things.
23:44SPEAKERThere's a couple of other, there's the loop deck
23:46SPEAKERand some other things that are kind of similar,
23:49SPEAKERthat are either more or less functional.
23:51SPEAKERYou can also plug it into like a MIDI interface.
23:53SPEAKERIt's basically a software front end
23:56SPEAKERfor control of other hardware and software front ends.
24:00SPEAKERAnd you can use it with a stream deck.
24:01SPEAKERYou can use it, you can create buttons using it
24:04SPEAKERthat work on the stream deck,
24:05SPEAKERso you don't have to replace your stream deck software.
24:07SPEAKERYou can use it as a subset if you want
24:10SPEAKERfor your stream deck software.
24:13SPEAKERBut it also, it has much better support
24:16SPEAKERfor audio interfaces and production hardware
24:19SPEAKERthan the stream deck has.
24:20SPEAKERWhere the stream deck focuses on stuff that streamers use,
24:23SPEAKERthis is more for, hey, if you're running the sound board
24:28SPEAKERat a live venue or a church or something like that,
24:31SPEAKERthen this will let you interface with the mixer directly.
24:36SPEAKERI have this stream deck plus with knobs
24:38SPEAKERthat now I can turn the knobs
24:39SPEAKERand it'll adjust my levels on my big mixer
24:42SPEAKERacross the network. - That thing is cool.
24:45SPEAKERIt's also got the kind of touch surface, right?
24:46SPEAKERKind of a touch strip screen.
24:49SPEAKER- Yeah, and so you can, they support a bazillion things.
24:53SPEAKERIt's a little, it's not exactly one-to-one
24:56SPEAKERof the stuff that the stream deck supports.
24:59SPEAKERAnd there's some stuff that's a little more complicated,
25:01SPEAKERbut you can also call scripts, call applications.
25:04SPEAKERLike I have a shortcut that launches OBS
25:06SPEAKERwith virtual camera already running
25:09SPEAKERusing some command line flags and stuff like that, so.
25:13SPEAKER- I'm gonna have to take a look at this.
25:14SPEAKERSorry, I have now gotten off on a derail
25:16SPEAKERlooking at loop decks, which are kind of awesome.
25:20SPEAKERThey appear to also do dials.
25:22SPEAKER- They had dials before stream deck had dials,
25:24SPEAKERand I think they have more dials typically.
25:26SPEAKER- So that's the thing about the stream deck plus.
25:28SPEAKERIf people haven't seen it, what is it, eight buttons?
25:31SPEAKER- The stream deck plus is eight buttons,
25:33SPEAKERa touch strip that effectively is four more buttons,
25:36SPEAKERand then four dials, four knobs that are also four buttons.
25:39SPEAKER- That's not a bad mix.
25:40SPEAKERI feel like eight buttons is maybe a little limited for me.
25:45SPEAKER- So, I have two stream decks.
25:49SPEAKERI have a big one, the XL, hooked up to the streaming PC,
25:53SPEAKERand then I have the little one hooked up to the main PC.
25:59SPEAKERThe thing I find is that while I'm actually working,
26:04SPEAKERI have one that does lighting in the room.
26:06SPEAKERI have one, I switch between pages a lot,
26:09SPEAKERand you do that by swiping on the strip, basically.
26:15SPEAKERAnd I find that I have one scene
26:17SPEAKERthat I use a little at the start of the day,
26:18SPEAKERand one scene that I use at the end of the day,
26:19SPEAKERand then the other one is the one
26:20SPEAKERthat stays on all the time.
26:24SPEAKERBut it's nice to be able to adjust the audio.
26:26SPEAKERI used to have a big MIDI interface on my desk
26:28SPEAKERthat I used for that, and it didn't give me feedback about,
26:31SPEAKERlike this lets me have multiple,
26:33SPEAKERso now I have multiple layers where I have
26:36SPEAKERthe program feed, the monitor feed that I hear,
26:39SPEAKERthe program feed is what goes out to the stream,
26:41SPEAKERthe monitor feed is what I hear,
26:42SPEAKERand then I also have a layer for what you're hearing
26:44SPEAKERright now that comes back into my PC,
26:47SPEAKERso I can adjust my mic hotness coming back into the PC,
26:51SPEAKERwhich means I don't ever have to touch gain
26:52SPEAKERon anything anymore, it's just adjusting levels,
26:55SPEAKERwhich is really good.
26:56SPEAKER- I assume you don't have that program monitor
26:58SPEAKERactive at all times, 'cause that would probably
26:59SPEAKERmake you insane.
27:01SPEAKER- Which?
27:03SPEAKER- What you just described, the entire mix
27:05SPEAKERcoming back in that you can hear.
27:07SPEAKER- I do, 'cause usually that's the only way I hear the game.
27:10SPEAKER- Oh, is it low latency enough
27:12SPEAKERthat you don't hear your voice echoing?
27:13SPEAKER- No, no, no, sorry, the program is not a monitor,
27:15SPEAKERthe program is if chat says, "Hey, you're too quiet,"
27:17SPEAKERor, "You're too loud," I can turn it up.
27:19SPEAKER- I see.
27:20SPEAKER- Without having to open up the software interface
27:22SPEAKERfor the mixer, which is a ridiculous application,
27:25SPEAKERit means I can do it without losing,
27:26SPEAKERchanging focus over the current Windows app, basically.
27:30SPEAKER- I'm gonna close this loop deck page,
27:31SPEAKER'cause these look really nice,
27:32SPEAKERand I certainly don't need it with an XL already on my desk.
27:36SPEAKER- Yeah, the XL, the thing about it is the XL
27:39SPEAKERdoes kind of everything you want.
27:41SPEAKERThe nice thing about-- - Unless you want a knob.
27:45SPEAKER- I mean, if you want a knob,
27:45SPEAKERyou can just get a knob separate, though.
27:47SPEAKERGet a keyboard with a knob.
27:48SPEAKER- Yeah, it's nice to have it all in one device.
27:50SPEAKERYou know how I am about cables.
27:51SPEAKER- I am aware of your feelings with regard to cables.
27:56SPEAKER- That's L-O-U-P-E deck, to be clear.
27:59SPEAKER- Like the kind of thing you use
28:00SPEAKERto look up close at pictures.
28:03SPEAKERSo the thing that I find about this
28:06SPEAKERis it's kind of like the extreme Home Assistant
28:08SPEAKERand like Google or Apple's HomeKit or
28:14SPEAKERyou know, your smart things or whatever.
28:18SPEAKERThis is a more difficult to set up,
28:20SPEAKERbut it allows you to do much more complicated actions
28:23SPEAKERand allows you to make the buttons do exactly what you want
28:26SPEAKERinstead of getting close enough
28:28SPEAKERor maybe having like three buttons
28:29SPEAKERthat do what you would want to do in one button
28:30SPEAKERor something like that.
28:31SPEAKER- Okay, this is exactly for me, then,
28:33SPEAKERbecause you're talking about Bitfocus, to be clear.
28:34SPEAKER- I'm talking about Bitfocus computing, yeah.
28:36SPEAKER- Yeah, because the Elgato Stream Deck software, it's okay.
28:39SPEAKERBut yeah, I've already run into a couple spots
28:40SPEAKERwhere it's like,
28:41SPEAKERI wish there was a little more configurable behavior here.
28:45SPEAKER- Yes, in terms of like, for example,
28:46SPEAKERthe big one to me, honestly,
28:48SPEAKERis the press and hold on the Elgato software.
28:51SPEAKERDid you ever use that?
28:52SPEAKER- No, I don't use it 'cause it stunk.
28:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it's terrible.
28:54SPEAKERYou can't configure like the length of time
28:56SPEAKERyou need to hold the button down.
28:57SPEAKERAnd the default is roughly,
28:59SPEAKERit seems like five seconds, which is way too long.
29:01SPEAKER- It is a really long time, yeah.
29:02SPEAKER- And there's no visual feedback on the button
29:05SPEAKERwhen it activates and deactivates.
29:06SPEAKERSo you just have to kind of hold it
29:08SPEAKERand kind of just guess when it's long enough.
29:11SPEAKER- You have to have it took to something
29:12SPEAKERthat you can see happen on your screen
29:16SPEAKERso you know when to let go.
29:17SPEAKER- Right, it's real bad.
29:20SPEAKERAnd that's for something,
29:21SPEAKERI would do that for like streaming and recording, right?
29:23SPEAKERLike you don't want to accidentally bump the stream button
29:26SPEAKERand have it in your stream prematurely, but you also,
29:29SPEAKERyeah, you don't wanna have to sit there holding it forever.
29:31SPEAKERAnyway, it sounds like
29:34SPEAKERwhen I wipe this new machine
29:36SPEAKERand get this filthy temp Windows install off of here
29:38SPEAKERand do a real one,
29:40SPEAKERit sounds like I should go straight to bit focus companion
29:42SPEAKERand just skip the Elgato stuff.
29:44SPEAKER- Yeah, Brad, they let you do half presses.
29:46SPEAKER- What?
29:47SPEAKER- So you can do separate actions on key down and key up.
29:51SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
29:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
29:53SPEAKER- Huh?
29:54SPEAKER- Yeah.
29:54SPEAKER- So like it's basically a hold,
29:55SPEAKERlike push it down and something is happening
29:57SPEAKERand then we let off.
29:58SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you would have pushed to mute,
29:59SPEAKERyou can do that.
30:00SPEAKER- What?
30:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:02SPEAKER- Okay.
30:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:03SPEAKER- Okay.
30:04SPEAKER- Goodbye Elgato software.
30:05SPEAKERThis sounds exactly like what I want.
30:08SPEAKER- It's really good.
30:09SPEAKERIt's a little confusing starting out,
30:10SPEAKERbut once you kind of understand,
30:12SPEAKERit's like every other piece of software ever.
30:13SPEAKEROnce you understand the internal language that you use,
30:15SPEAKERit makes a lot of sense.
30:16SPEAKER- I mean, that's kind of open source stuff in general, right?
30:19SPEAKERLess user-friendly, harder to configure,
30:21SPEAKERbut way more powerful.
30:22SPEAKER- This is very polished by open source standards,
30:25SPEAKERI would say.
30:26SPEAKERAnyway, bit focus companion,
30:28SPEAKERyou can find it at bitfocus.io is the URL.
30:31SPEAKER- Yeah, that's awesome.
30:32SPEAKERI have a couple of other packages that I have one.
30:35SPEAKER- Oh God, I didn't tell you about this.
30:36SPEAKERThe best part, here's the best thing.
30:38SPEAKERThey do a thing, you can, well,
30:41SPEAKERif you don't want to have,
30:43SPEAKERif you're doing all network stuff
30:44SPEAKERand you don't want to have companion running
30:46SPEAKERon your desktop PC and have the screen on all the time,
30:48SPEAKEReven when your PC is off, you could hook it up to a Pi.
30:51SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
30:52SPEAKEROne of the others is companion Pi here.
30:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:56SPEAKEROr if you have like, I mean, this doesn't apply to us
30:59SPEAKER'cause we don't, it's like if you had a stage install
31:02SPEAKERor something like that,
31:03SPEAKERlike if you had a computer backstage on a theater
31:06SPEAKERand you needed to run stuff on it from your sound booth,
31:09SPEAKERyou can do a satellite where it connects to it
31:11SPEAKERover the network, where you run the host
31:12SPEAKERon the computer backstage,
31:14SPEAKERand then you have the satellite running
31:15SPEAKERin the sound booth or whatever
31:18SPEAKERand you don't have to run cables between them.
31:20SPEAKERYeah, the satellite's a little limited is my understanding,
31:22SPEAKERbut I don't, like in a dream world
31:26SPEAKERwhere I'm able to move the streaming stuff
31:27SPEAKERinto the garage, then that might be useful,
31:32SPEAKERbut I'm probably good for now.
31:34SPEAKERAnyway, it's a really neat piece of software.
31:38SPEAKER- That's awesome, that's exciting.
31:39SPEAKERI'm gonna mess with that soon.
31:42SPEAKERI regret to inform you.
31:44SPEAKERI'm just gonna, a little interlude here.
31:45SPEAKEROh, wait, no, I thought the bird had frozen.
31:49SPEAKER- No, the bird's just, the bird's just still.
31:51SPEAKER- The bird is just extremely chill right now.
31:53SPEAKERAlso the extremely like rapid sort of rigid movements
32:01SPEAKERof a bird make it just seem like the frame rate
32:04SPEAKERis incredibly low, like the way a bird moves its head
32:07SPEAKERin these kind of like rigid increments.
32:11SPEAKERIt just makes it look like this is running
32:13SPEAKERat like two frames a second,
32:14SPEAKERbut that's just actually the way the bird moves.
32:16SPEAKER- Yeah, they're fast.
32:17SPEAKERIt's running, let's see, the stats on the Twitch window
32:20SPEAKERthat it's running, I haven't dropped any frames.
32:22SPEAKERWe're good, we're running a full 30 FPS here.
32:25SPEAKER- Good to know, good to know.
32:26SPEAKER- I could turn the frame rate down on the stream though.
32:31SPEAKER'Cause right now I'm doing 60 frames a second
32:33SPEAKERout to Twitch, I think.
32:35SPEAKERAnd I could do the same bit rate at 30 frames a second,
32:37SPEAKERwhich would be double the bit rate per frame.
32:39SPEAKERAnyway, we don't have to go with that.
32:42SPEAKER- Should we talk about my Windows install
32:44SPEAKERand where my PC is at?
32:46SPEAKERAnd also I want to talk about GPU fans.
32:48SPEAKER- I feel like you teed up an incredible segue
32:51SPEAKERfor your filthy Windows install.
32:54SPEAKERSo we should pick that up here.
32:55SPEAKER- It's not, it's not exactly filthy,
32:58SPEAKERalthough it's like, come on, it's filthy.
33:01SPEAKER- Which you would like walking down the street,
33:03SPEAKERcoming back from the grocery store,
33:04SPEAKERthen you're like, hey man,
33:05SPEAKERthere's a Windows 11 disk on the ground there.
33:07SPEAKERHell yeah.
33:09SPEAKER- Never know what you're gonna find
33:10SPEAKERon the sidewalk around here.
33:11SPEAKER- I guess it's a thumb drive now.
33:13SPEAKERI don't think it comes on disks anymore.
33:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I use, what's your standard procedure?
33:17SPEAKERI use the media creation tool typically
33:18SPEAKERand just make a USB stick.
33:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I use the media creation tool,
33:21SPEAKERgrab the latest version almost always,
33:23SPEAKERunless there's a specific reason not to
33:26SPEAKERand install off of that.
33:28SPEAKER- Yeah, the arc of Windows install speed
33:31SPEAKERover the years has already been pretty interesting
33:34SPEAKERin the sense that like 20 years ago,
33:36SPEAKERit took an hour to copy files, process files,
33:40SPEAKERreboot a couple of times, et cetera, et cetera.
33:42SPEAKERLike even on my last machine, seven, six, seven years ago,
33:46SPEAKERit was down to like 15 minutes or something.
33:48SPEAKER- Oh no, if you had a USB three drive
33:51SPEAKERwhen you did the last one onto an SSD,
33:53SPEAKERit was like eight minutes.
33:55SPEAKER- It's, dude, it's like almost instantaneous now.
33:57SPEAKERIt's insane.
33:58SPEAKERIt's like, I don't even have time to get up
33:59SPEAKERand go get a drink before it's like
34:01SPEAKERbasically at the lock and screen ready to go.
34:03SPEAKER- Well, the problem now,
34:06SPEAKERas my computer is more important to me,
34:09SPEAKERboth personally and professionally,
34:11SPEAKERis that the install time is really low,
34:14SPEAKERbut the making shit work right time is very, very high now.
34:17SPEAKER- And that's why I haven't even started on that process yet
34:19SPEAKERuntil I, like my first install I'm on right now,
34:22SPEAKERjust to be clear, what I mean by filthy is like,
34:26SPEAKERI, so for example, modern motherboards,
34:29SPEAKERthis kind of blows my mind, have UEFI setting now.
34:33SPEAKERUEFI being basically a modern BIOS,
34:35SPEAKERwhich apparently operating systems
34:37SPEAKERcan hook into more directly these days.
34:40SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:41SPEAKER- This gigabyte board I've got,
34:42SPEAKERapparently ASUS does the same thing now.
34:44SPEAKERThere is actually a toggle in the BIOS
34:45SPEAKERfor whether you want Windows to install
34:48SPEAKERthe motherboard makers, like all in one software
34:50SPEAKERthat's supposed to do all the drivers for you.
34:52SPEAKER- Oh, is that where that came from?
34:53SPEAKER- Yes, I don't know if I mentioned that
34:55SPEAKERthe last time we talked about this.
34:56SPEAKER- Yeah, you did.
34:58SPEAKER- That's right, I totally did last week.
34:59SPEAKERYeah, like when I got this Windows install done,
35:01SPEAKERlike I said, as soon as I logged in,
35:04SPEAKERit popped up this gigabyte control center and blah, blah,
35:06SPEAKERblah, like, hey, do you want to do X, Y, and Z configuration?
35:10SPEAKER- I think you owe somebody an apology.
35:11SPEAKER- Do I?
35:12SPEAKERWho is that somebody?
35:13SPEAKER- Last week, you blamed that on Windows Update.
35:15SPEAKER- Oh, did I?
35:16SPEAKERI'm sorry, Windows Update.
35:18SPEAKERI was wrong.
35:20SPEAKERI'm sorry I ever doubted you.
35:22SPEAKERWell, I think Windows Update is still the mechanism
35:25SPEAKERthrough which it gets whatever the designated software is.
35:28SPEAKERIt's just that the crazy thing is that it's literally
35:30SPEAKERa BIOS option that you need to disable.
35:32SPEAKERSo you mostly do ASUS boards, right?
35:34SPEAKERI think that's--
35:35SPEAKER- Well, I did gigabyte boards until this most recent one.
35:38SPEAKER- Okay, so I want to say it's Armory Crate
35:40SPEAKERis the ASUS version of this.
35:41SPEAKER- Yep, Armory Crate is a thing that is installed
35:44SPEAKERon my computer pretty much constantly
35:45SPEAKERand I can't get rid of it.
35:46SPEAKER- So yes, you need to go into your BIOS and disable.
35:49SPEAKERI don't know what it would be called there,
35:50SPEAKERbut there is an option you need to disable in there
35:52SPEAKERto stop Windows from forcing that on you.
35:54SPEAKER- Fascinating.
35:56SPEAKER- You know, there's that on here.
35:58SPEAKERI've had a couple of driver installs go sideways
36:00SPEAKERthat I can't get to work right.
36:02SPEAKER- Okay.
36:02SPEAKER- Like the LAN driver, no matter what I do,
36:04SPEAKERpartially because gigabytes driver installer is terrible,
36:07SPEAKERbut it just refuses to update this driver, stuff like that.
36:10SPEAKERYou know, I'm just going to disable that BIOS thing.
36:13SPEAKERI'm also going to do the install offline this time
36:15SPEAKERso it doesn't try to pull in anything weird.
36:18SPEAKER- So you, it's funny, when I built my new machine last year,
36:22SPEAKERI started out with the same thought
36:24SPEAKERand then my install and setup process went so well
36:27SPEAKERthat I was like, oh, I'm just going to, this is fine.
36:29SPEAKERWe're going to ride through.
36:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I think that this is,
36:38SPEAKERI just have so little time these days
36:40SPEAKERto do this kind of fiddling with stuff that once it's working
36:45SPEAKERI have to live with it, I think, most of the time,
36:46SPEAKERwhich is, which is, doesn't feel great.
36:48SPEAKER- Well, so that's the thing I've done zero fiddling.
36:50SPEAKERLike I haven't actually set anything up on this machine
36:52SPEAKERpartially because I just don't have time during the week.
36:54SPEAKERLike I've had my old PC hooked up at the same time
36:56SPEAKERbecause I just need to do work
36:57SPEAKERand everything's already on there.
36:59SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:59SPEAKER- So this is still an unactivated Windows install.
37:02SPEAKERI haven't put anything on here except Steam
37:04SPEAKERand a couple of benchmark utilities.
37:06SPEAKERSo it's 15 minutes to wipe it
37:08SPEAKERand do a fresh Windows install
37:09SPEAKERand then actually start setting things up
37:12SPEAKERbecause there's nothing of value on here.
37:15SPEAKER- Yeah, the problem on my end is once I have Unreal
37:18SPEAKERand Perforce installed and have pulled down the project
37:20SPEAKERthat I'm pretty committed at that point.
37:22SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:23SPEAKERI've also been doing some GPU benchmarkings,
37:27SPEAKERmaybe not the right word, stress testing.
37:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:31SPEAKER- I've been trying to, I've been thinking about GPU cooling
37:33SPEAKERand noise and stuff like that.
37:35SPEAKERAnd I've been, you know, like I've played Cyberpunk on here
37:38SPEAKERand some other ray traced stuff.
37:40SPEAKERI grabbed Doom Eternal, I tried to find some things,
37:43SPEAKERalthough actually Doom's maybe not the best example
37:45SPEAKER'cause it's so goddamn efficient.
37:47SPEAKER- Yeah, Doom runs great on my Steam deck.
37:49SPEAKERIt doesn't impress me on my PC anymore.
37:51SPEAKER- Doom Eternal with everything turned up
37:53SPEAKERand the ray tracing on was still getting something
37:55SPEAKERlike 400, 350, 400 frames a second.
37:58SPEAKER- Yeah, it's stupid.
37:59SPEAKER- Complete nonsense.
38:00SPEAKERIt's perhaps not a good bench or stress test.
38:03SPEAKER- I mean, it's like, well, I think it's a very good,
38:07SPEAKERit's a good benchmark, it's not a great stress test.
38:09SPEAKER- Yes, that's what I mean is it's hard to max out
38:12SPEAKERyour hardware with it 'cause it is so efficient.
38:14SPEAKERBut like I installed FurMark, which I think FurMark
38:17SPEAKERis probably still the best GPU stress test out there.
38:20SPEAKERIt's older.
38:22SPEAKER- FurMark, during the winter sometimes,
38:24SPEAKERif my office is cold and the rest of the house is warm,
38:28SPEAKERsometimes I turn on FurMark and shut the door
38:30SPEAKERfor a few minutes and it warms up the whole office.
38:32SPEAKER- So I tried that yesterday,
38:33SPEAKERexcept it was already a warm afternoon.
38:35SPEAKER- Yeah, that was a bad idea.
38:36SPEAKER- Bad idea, yeah.
38:41SPEAKER- Look, when we moved the maximum PC office,
38:46SPEAKERthey had to put special HVAC in the area
38:48SPEAKERwhere the max PC lab was because the benchmarks
38:52SPEAKERconsistently would overwhelm the air conditioning
38:55SPEAKERin the old office and like the rest of the area around it
38:58SPEAKERwould be freezing cold.
38:59SPEAKERSo we had our own thermostat and a separate HVAC outlet
39:03SPEAKERthat was controlled for the lab.
39:05SPEAKER- That's incredible.
39:06SPEAKER- I just, you know, I've been working with like fairly
39:08SPEAKERmodest mid range hardware for a while.
39:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:12SPEAKER- This is the first time in, God,
39:15SPEAKERthis is the first time in probably pushing 20 years
39:16SPEAKERthat I've had like high-end enough hardware
39:18SPEAKERto like pump serious heat into the room.
39:20SPEAKERBut running FurMark for half an hour yesterday,
39:23SPEAKERit was like unbearably hot in this room.
39:25SPEAKERAnd I put my hand behind the computer
39:28SPEAKERwhile that thing was running
39:29SPEAKERand it was quite literally a space heater.
39:31SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
39:32SPEAKER- It just literally felt like hot air
39:33SPEAKERblowing out of a space heater.
39:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like 120 degrees coming out the back
39:36SPEAKERof that thing probably.
39:37SPEAKER- So, like you said, we'll probably get back
39:39SPEAKERto fan control soon because I just started using it
39:42SPEAKERand there's a lot there to touch on, but.
39:45SPEAKER- I think fan control might be Turing complete, Brad.
39:48SPEAKER- That's a bold claim, but we'll investigate.
39:51SPEAKERThe reason I bring it up though is like,
39:53SPEAKERso I ran FurMark, like I said, which like maxed the GPU.
39:56SPEAKERI think it hit like 72 C at max under actual load, right?
40:02SPEAKERAnd then I also use fan control to synthetically
40:04SPEAKERjust boost those fans up to max.
40:07SPEAKERBut what I'm wondering is, is any game ever actually going
40:10SPEAKERto push that GPU so hard that it's putting out
40:13SPEAKERthat kind of heat and noise?
40:14SPEAKEROr am I only gonna hit that synthetically
40:16SPEAKERwith these methods?
40:18SPEAKERBecause like I've played Cyberpunk Paths Racing,
40:20SPEAKERand like I said, I can't think of anything
40:22SPEAKERmore demanding than that.
40:23SPEAKERAnd the fans were like not really super audible
40:26SPEAKERplaying that thing ever.
40:28SPEAKER- So the stuff I've had that spins the fans up on the GPU,
40:33SPEAKERand just to be clear, I have the GPU fans capped
40:35SPEAKERat I think 90, 80 or 90% in fan control.
40:39SPEAKER'Cause I would rather it throttle down
40:41SPEAKERthan make that much noise.
40:43SPEAKERIs doing, what's the machine learning image generator?
40:53SPEAKER- Which one, dolly, stable diffusion?
40:54SPEAKER- The one in stable diffusion.
40:56SPEAKERRunning stable diffusion spins it up and down,
40:59SPEAKERbut it's like two minutes, it's like two minutes per.
41:01SPEAKER- Oh, that's fun.
41:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
41:04SPEAKERBaking lights in Unreal with the GPU light mask thing
41:08SPEAKERtook, spins it up pretty hard.
41:10SPEAKERI have never had it turn, run full blast in a game.
41:14SPEAKERLike it's only doing stuff that hits the machine learning
41:16SPEAKERand the GPU, the video parts of the GPU at the same time.
41:23SPEAKERLike nothing, video transcodes, none of that stuff
41:27SPEAKERdoes, gets anywhere close.
41:29SPEAKEREven the AV, like when I was doing some AV1 transcodes,
41:31SPEAKERjust to see what that was about.
41:33SPEAKEREven that didn't get anywhere,
41:34SPEAKERlike it didn't spin it up much past idle even.
41:36SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
41:38SPEAKER- And often, I was gonna say often the GPU fan,
41:40SPEAKERlike right now looking down at my fans,
41:42SPEAKERthe GPU fans are just off because the GPU is cool.
41:44SPEAKER- I was shocked to find that yes,
41:46SPEAKERwhen you're just idling at the desktop
41:47SPEAKERor doing basic 2D stuff,
41:49SPEAKERliterally the GPU fans don't even spin.
41:51SPEAKER- Yeah, if it's under 30%,
41:53SPEAKERI think the GPU fans just turn off.
41:54SPEAKER- Yeah, that's wild to me.
41:56SPEAKERBut okay, maybe I won't worry.
41:57SPEAKERI had been thinking about different noise control options
42:00SPEAKERfor that, but it sounds like it's probably
42:02SPEAKERjust not going to run into load use cases or workloads.
42:05SPEAKER- I mean, no, the thing that will happen
42:07SPEAKERis as you get dust and stuff building up on the fins
42:09SPEAKERinside the cooler and it becomes less efficient,
42:11SPEAKERyou'll have to blast it out
42:12SPEAKERbecause it will start running harder.
42:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm on about a three month cycle
42:17SPEAKERfor blowing the computer out anyway,
42:18SPEAKERso that's not a big deal.
42:21SPEAKERI will say.
42:22SPEAKER- I'm sorry, I'm a child.
42:24SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:27SPEAKERStraight up task manager has gotten surprisingly granular.
42:30SPEAKERI had not clicked on the GPU tab
42:32SPEAKERin task manager in a long time.
42:33SPEAKERMaybe this is not a new thing,
42:35SPEAKERbut I did not realize they were breaking out
42:37SPEAKERlike kind of every function of that card separately
42:40SPEAKERthat you can track in terms of load.
42:43SPEAKER- Oh, and the performance tab?
42:44SPEAKER- So it's, yeah, you've got 3D video and code,
42:46SPEAKERvideo decode, VR, video processing.
42:52SPEAKERSo yeah, I'm basically talking about like on the CPU view,
42:54SPEAKERyou know, when you can see all the cores, activity, screen,
42:57SPEAKERthis is that, but for GPU and yeah, it's crazy.
42:59SPEAKERLike you can literally break out VR load
43:01SPEAKERon the graphics card from regular 3D.
43:05SPEAKER- Oh, really?
43:06SPEAKER- Legacy overlay, video processing,
43:09SPEAKERI don't even know what copy one and security are,
43:11SPEAKERbut yeah, you get really granular views
43:15SPEAKERinto what the GPU is doing now, it's kind of impressive.
43:17SPEAKER- So it's funny, I think they changed that
43:19SPEAKERon the Windows 11 one,
43:23SPEAKER'cause all I see is 3D, I do see copy.
43:27SPEAKER- You might have to right click
43:28SPEAKERand hit change graph to multiple engines.
43:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I have multiple engines, I see video and code,
43:37SPEAKERvideo decode, I see one that just says copy up here
43:40SPEAKERthat I can't.
43:41SPEAKER- Yeah, so you can, you should be able to copy one,
43:43SPEAKERclick those and change those.
43:44SPEAKERYeah, that's the same view I've got.
43:47SPEAKERAnyway, whatever, I'm just in sort of like number one,
43:51SPEAKEReverything is so fast, number two,
43:52SPEAKERoh, now I wanna tweak, except, you know,
43:56SPEAKERin my old age now it's tweaked down rather than tweak up,
44:00SPEAKERlike forget overclocking,
44:01SPEAKERI just want to make things more efficient and quieter.
44:03SPEAKERSo like, for example,
44:05SPEAKERlike I'm probably also never gonna hit
44:07SPEAKERlike major GPU fan speed issues,
44:09SPEAKER'cause I'm probably gonna constrain the power a little bit
44:11SPEAKERon this card.
44:12SPEAKER- I was gonna say, yeah, at least for right now,
44:16SPEAKERit makes sense too, 'cause there's nothing
44:17SPEAKERthat comes close to hitting the full might of the 4090.
44:22SPEAKER- Also, I mean, if you look around,
44:23SPEAKERboth on GPUs and like these risons,
44:27SPEAKERyou can bring power consumption down a little bit
44:30SPEAKERbecause they are tuned so aggressively
44:32SPEAKERto just drink electricity,
44:35SPEAKERchug it down to boost as much as possible.
44:38SPEAKERYou're losing basically almost no performance
44:40SPEAKERto drop 10, 15% on power consumption
44:43SPEAKERbecause they run cooler,
44:45SPEAKERso they can run at higher clocks for longer.
44:48SPEAKER- So I was gonna say I talked to,
44:50SPEAKERwe talked about this a little bit off camera
44:52SPEAKERwhen we were at PC World building your computer last,
44:55SPEAKERwas it just last week?
44:57SPEAKER- Yes, it's been nine, 10, nine days, 10, nine days.
45:02SPEAKERIt's only been nine days, that feels like a month ago.
45:04SPEAKER- It'll be 10 by the time they hear this.
45:05SPEAKERAnyway, my point was we talked about cooling
45:10SPEAKERand he had expressed interest in the numbers
45:12SPEAKERI was getting off of the liquid cooler and the 13900K.
45:18SPEAKERAnd one of the things Adam suggested was going in
45:24SPEAKERand seeing if there was an Asus setting in my motherboard
45:27SPEAKERthat was just like running at full speed all the time, man.
45:30SPEAKERTurns out there is.
45:31SPEAKER- The fans? - I turned that on, no,
45:33SPEAKERthe CPU.
45:34SPEAKERSo my CPU was running a 5500 megahertz all the time.
45:40SPEAKER- Oh, what?
45:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and yeah, it was making it hotter
45:48SPEAKERthan it needed to be.
45:48SPEAKER- How long has this been going on
45:50SPEAKERsince you built the machine?
45:51SPEAKER- Three months.
45:52SPEAKER- Wait, you don't know, man, it's been like six almost.
45:55SPEAKER- I built them in December.
45:56SPEAKER- Oh, was it December?
45:57SPEAKEROkay. - Yeah, it was December.
45:59SPEAKERSo yeah, that's helped a little bit.
46:04SPEAKERIn fairness, I'm reasonably sure that I turned that off
46:07SPEAKERwhen I bought it and I had to upgrade the BIOS in January
46:10SPEAKERand reset the settings when I did that.
46:12SPEAKERAnd I guess my bet is that I didn't flip it back on,
46:15SPEAKERflip it back off when I did that.
46:16SPEAKERSo anyway, I've put it on my list of settings
46:19SPEAKERto look for in the BIOS.
46:22SPEAKERThe next step is to undervolt a little bit.
46:23SPEAKERI'm gonna bring it down to like a quarter,
46:25SPEAKERan eighth of a volt or something like that
46:26SPEAKERand see what happens.
46:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so on the AMD side these days,
46:29SPEAKERit seems like it's recommended not to undervolt,
46:31SPEAKERbut rather to fiddle with just the power consumption,
46:35SPEAKERnot don't change the voltage,
46:36SPEAKERjust change what the max power draw can be.
46:39SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
46:40SPEAKER- In fact, I believe that's also the recommendation now
46:41SPEAKERfor graphics cards, at least for Nvidia.
46:43SPEAKERI don't know if AMD cards also support this,
46:45SPEAKERbut most people, like I undervolt my 3080
46:47SPEAKERor did when that machine was active.
46:50SPEAKERBut now people are mostly saying for graphics cards,
46:52SPEAKERdon't undervolt, there's just a kind of max,
46:56SPEAKERI don't know how they describe it,
46:57SPEAKERmax power consumption or whatever.
46:58SPEAKERThere's just a, like kind of a slider now
47:00SPEAKERwhere you can just bring that down by percentage.
47:03SPEAKERSo they say, don't change voltage,
47:04SPEAKERjust say, hey, this can only consume 90%
47:08SPEAKERof the maximum power or something like that.
47:13SPEAKERStuff, I don't know, it just seems like,
47:15SPEAKERis race to the top the inverse of race to the bottom?
47:19SPEAKERDoes that work?
47:20SPEAKERLike it seems like there's kind of a race to the top
47:21SPEAKERamong both graphics and CPU makers lately to just,
47:26SPEAKERlike we've got to get those benchmarks up.
47:27SPEAKERLike we've got to make this thing look like
47:29SPEAKERit's 200 megahertz faster than the competition.
47:31SPEAKERSo we're just going to push everything
47:32SPEAKERas hard as humanly possible.
47:34SPEAKER- I mean, they've kind of always like,
47:36SPEAKERlook, there used to be in the early days of video cards,
47:41SPEAKERNvidia and ATI at the time and the other people
47:45SPEAKERthat were selling chips to third-party vendors had to say,
47:47SPEAKERlook, you can't change the number of the model,
47:51SPEAKERlike if there's a number on your card,
47:53SPEAKERit has to match the number of the GPU
47:55SPEAKERthat's inside the card,
47:57SPEAKERbecause otherwise you're going to confuse the hell.
47:59SPEAKERLike, because people would take like a Radeon 8500
48:03SPEAKERand put 8750 on it if they overclocked it a little bit.
48:06SPEAKERI mean, that's a bad example
48:07SPEAKERbecause they'd already stopped it by then.
48:08SPEAKERBut like in 2000, 2001, 2002, that was a real problem.
48:12SPEAKERThere was all sorts of weirdness.
48:13SPEAKERSo yes, people are always trying to make
48:15SPEAKERthe numbers bigger, Brad.
48:16SPEAKER- Right, right.
48:17SPEAKER- The bigger number, better.
48:18SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe not always.
48:19SPEAKER- Yeah, the point is the Xbox 360
48:21SPEAKERwas better than the PS3, by the way.
48:23SPEAKER- I mean, most of what I'm looking at
48:25SPEAKERis like low single digit changes in performance
48:27SPEAKERfor like 20% less power.
48:29SPEAKERYou know, like that's completely acceptable to me
48:32SPEAKERto keep heat and noise down significantly
48:35SPEAKERand only lose like less than 5%,
48:38SPEAKERmaybe like one to three in some cases.
48:40SPEAKERIn terms of performance, like totally a fair trade.
48:43SPEAKER- I will happily trade a little bit of performance
48:45SPEAKERfor a little bit less noise and a little bit less heat.
48:47SPEAKER- Yeah, well, a lot less, I think, is the lesson.
48:50SPEAKERSo anyway, that is a huge rabbit hole on the AMD side.
48:54SPEAKERThere is like, I don't know if you experienced this
48:57SPEAKERevery time you build a new machine,
48:59SPEAKERyou have to like kind of start from zero
49:01SPEAKERand see what's going on with the platform these days.
49:05SPEAKERIn terms of learning, you know,
49:06SPEAKERlike different things you can tweak to make things.
49:08SPEAKER- When they change the architectures like that,
49:10SPEAKERit's always an issue.
49:12SPEAKER- Right, and so like I'm having to figure out
49:14SPEAKERwhat precision boost overdrive is and like what the,
49:17SPEAKERI believe it's PBT, TDC, and EDC values are,
49:22SPEAKERwhich are different types of power consumption.
49:26SPEAKERStuff changes a lot in between computer builds
49:29SPEAKERis what I'm saying.
49:30SPEAKER- How are you finding the documentation on that stuff?
49:33SPEAKER- Do not believe me.
49:33SPEAKER- Do you go to forums to find out what it means?
49:35SPEAKER- Yes, I am 100% reading like Reddit explainers and stuff.
49:38SPEAKERApparently, actually AMD apparently has a pretty decent
49:41SPEAKERlike YouTube presence, for example,
49:42SPEAKERthey actually do put out a good amount of information
49:44SPEAKERon this stuff, from my understanding.
49:46SPEAKER- I don't want to watch it.
49:48SPEAKERYou shouldn't have to watch a 10 minute video
49:49SPEAKERto find out what an acronym means ever.
49:51SPEAKER- Yes, I am with you on that stuff.
49:54SPEAKERFinding good centralized documentation
49:57SPEAKERon what all this stuff means and how to tweak it
49:59SPEAKERis a little bit tricky.
50:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say that's kind of my general complaint.
50:04SPEAKERWe talked about the good stuff
50:06SPEAKERof high-end motherboards last week.
50:08SPEAKERLike if I had a complaint about high-end motherboards,
50:10SPEAKERit's they give you 50 million settings
50:12SPEAKERand the onboard help is like,
50:16SPEAKERlike you hover over it and it's like,
50:18SPEAKER"Hey, what's this EBT setting?"
50:19SPEAKERAnd it says, "This changes the EBT on the FMO
50:24SPEAKERup and down the 10th of 1% per dot."
50:28SPEAKERSo yeah, it's not great.
50:29SPEAKER- I also love that, I mean,
50:32SPEAKERwell, that's kind of what you're describing,
50:33SPEAKERthe contextual help inside the actual interface.
50:35SPEAKERLike it'll be like FMO option, enable, disable,
50:39SPEAKERand the contextual description text will say,
50:42SPEAKERenable slash disable FMO option.
50:45SPEAKERIt's like, "Yep, I got that from the actual option."
50:47SPEAKER- Yep, thanks for the FMOs.
50:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I've got this Alder Lake box
50:52SPEAKERthat is my NAS now and I think on the Intel side,
50:55SPEAKERkeeping power down is just a matter of changing
50:57SPEAKERthose PL1, PL2 values and TAO,
51:00SPEAKERif you're familiar with that stuff.
51:02SPEAKERI'm getting a blank stare.
51:04SPEAKER- No, I am not familiar with that stuff.
51:06SPEAKER- Okay, those are, well, we can talk about later.
51:09SPEAKERI don't know if you even care about,
51:12SPEAKERno, no, I mean about constraining your chip or not,
51:16SPEAKERor if you're happy with it where it is, it's probably fine.
51:19SPEAKER- Oh yeah, maybe there's an episode there.
51:23SPEAKERMaybe we should get Adam on to talk about that stuff
51:25SPEAKER'cause he's really into it and it might be a fun time.
51:27SPEAKER- Yes, yes, Adam is super plugged into
51:28SPEAKERwhat's going on with hardware.
51:29SPEAKER- He pays a lot of attention to it.
51:33SPEAKERLike it's a place that I would like
51:34SPEAKERto spend more time learning
51:35SPEAKERand I don't have the time to devote to it right now.
51:38SPEAKER- Yes, it's quite a bit to take in.
51:40SPEAKERAnyway, some days, two weeks ahead of me
51:43SPEAKERof learning the ins and outs of the platform
51:46SPEAKERand making it as efficient as humanly possible.
51:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, it's always nice
51:53SPEAKERto get a new computer.
51:54SPEAKERIt's always nice to figure out the new thing.
51:59SPEAKERYeah, I mean, it's funny, I'm settling into mine now
52:02SPEAKERand it feels, it's starting to feel
52:04SPEAKERlike the old computer now.
52:06SPEAKER- I was gonna say, you're probably at the point now
52:07SPEAKERwhere it's not the new computer now, it's just the computer.
52:10SPEAKER- Yeah, the next thing for me to do
52:11SPEAKERis to take the old computer and it's,
52:15SPEAKERlike I basically did the fast and dirty move over
52:17SPEAKERof all the old streaming PC stuff off of it,
52:20SPEAKERoff of the old computer onto it
52:22SPEAKERand I need to go through and clean that up
52:23SPEAKERand probably do a clean Windows install
52:25SPEAKERand like strip down from 55 drives
52:29SPEAKERto whatever ridiculous drive configuration I had in there
52:32SPEAKERto like one or maybe two drives
52:36SPEAKERand make it a long-term workable computer
52:41SPEAKERrather than a short-term,
52:44SPEAKERhey, this works good enough computer.
52:46SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a good place to be.
52:47SPEAKERI think the last thing I'll comment on
52:48SPEAKERis just, again, the size of this case.
52:51SPEAKER- It's real big.
52:52SPEAKER- The size of this case.
52:54SPEAKERSo I've been swapping the old and new one in and out
52:56SPEAKERas I move hardware over to the new one,
52:59SPEAKERas I need to hook the old one back up to do work stuff,
53:01SPEAKERet cetera, et cetera, psychologically.
53:05SPEAKER- How's your back?
53:07SPEAKER- It's weird.
53:08SPEAKERIt's actually not heavier than my R6,
53:10SPEAKERwhich is dramatically smaller.
53:12SPEAKERAnd I wonder if they changed metal type
53:15SPEAKERor if they're using less metal in places to make it-
53:18SPEAKER- Do you have spinning platters in the R6?
53:20SPEAKER- I only had one.
53:21SPEAKER- Okay, nevermind then.
53:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that shouldn't matter.
53:24SPEAKERAlso the 7XL has a little bit of flex to it
53:28SPEAKERwhere the 6 feels like it's built like a tank,
53:31SPEAKERlike it is just incredibly rigid and thick and solid.
53:35SPEAKERAnd the 7 feels a little more like svelte,
53:38SPEAKERI guess I would say in terms of like structural integrity.
53:42SPEAKERI don't know if, I don't know what is behind that,
53:45SPEAKERbut the point being like the 7 doesn't feel that much
53:48SPEAKERheavier than the 6, despite being dramatically bigger.
53:53SPEAKERThe thing I was gonna say though-
53:54SPEAKER- That's interesting.
53:54SPEAKER- Yeah, it is a little interesting.
53:55SPEAKERI mean, it's fine.
53:56SPEAKERIt's just a different kind of design, I guess.
53:57SPEAKERBut the thing I was gonna say though,
53:59SPEAKERas I move those two computers in and out of that space
54:01SPEAKERbeside the desk where the computer lives,
54:04SPEAKERthis R6, which is not a small case,
54:07SPEAKERhas started looking comically tiny.
54:09SPEAKER- It's like a baby computer for babies?
54:11SPEAKER- Every time I see it back in its place
54:13SPEAKERafter the 7 has been there for a couple of days,
54:15SPEAKERit's just like that might as well be a mini ITX.
54:18SPEAKERLike how did I ever use a case that small?
54:20SPEAKER- What are you gonna do with the R6 now?
54:22SPEAKER- Probably put the NAS in it.
54:24SPEAKER- Okay.
54:24SPEAKER- So I've got the NAS currently in a defined mini,
54:26SPEAKERwhich is a micro ATX.
54:28SPEAKER- Oh yeah, then you have more space.
54:30SPEAKER- Working in a micro ATX, we've talked about this,
54:32SPEAKERlike working in there,
54:33SPEAKERespecially with six drives in that thing
54:34SPEAKERis just kind of a nightmare.
54:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it'll be cooler too with more air in there.
54:39SPEAKER- Yes, there'll be more air.
54:40SPEAKERI couldn't, it'll make room for a couple more hard drives
54:42SPEAKERif I decide I want to put more in.
54:45SPEAKERIt's just a bigger, more expansive, nicer case.
54:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes sense.
54:49SPEAKER- And that means I have three cases in here now.
54:51SPEAKERSo I think that defined mini probably needs to go.
54:54SPEAKER- Well, there you go.
54:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I took one of my Coursera's off
55:00SPEAKERand gave it to a friend the other day.
55:02SPEAKER- Coursera case?
55:04SPEAKER- It was an old Coursera, it was an old Coursera.
55:07SPEAKERBasically, I bought three very similar Coursera,
55:11SPEAKERlike the NAS one was not a quiet case,
55:14SPEAKERbut the two in the office were both quiet cases.
55:17SPEAKERAnd I moved them out so that we could,
55:22SPEAKERI needed to get rid of some of them
55:24SPEAKER'cause I have too many cases here right now.
55:25SPEAKER- Yeah, that's probably the thing to do.
55:27SPEAKERI might actually just donate the defined mini.
55:30SPEAKER- It's hard to find somebody to donate stuff like that to.
55:33SPEAKER- Oh, well, there's a Salvation Army down the street here.
55:36SPEAKER- Don't give stuff to the Salvation Army.
55:38SPEAKER- Yeah, but I get it,
55:39SPEAKERbut I also don't have a lot of options around here.
55:41SPEAKERGoodwill closed, also Goodwill's not great either.
55:43SPEAKER- Goodwill's also not great,
55:45SPEAKERbut Salvation Army is actively bad.
55:48SPEAKER- I get it, but the only other option I really have is to,
55:52SPEAKERwell, okay, actually-
55:53SPEAKER- Even an elementary school in your neighborhood,
55:54SPEAKERcall them and see if they want a computer.
55:56SPEAKER- Okay, fair.
55:57SPEAKERWell, it's just a case.
55:59SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, that's the problem is nobody wants cases.
56:02SPEAKER- That's exactly it, is I don't know who else
56:03SPEAKERI would give it to 'cause it's just a case.
56:05SPEAKER- We can always electronics recycle too.
56:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true.
56:07SPEAKERWell, there's no electronics in there, so.
56:09SPEAKER- They'll take the case.
56:10SPEAKER- Really?
56:11SPEAKERIt's just metal and plastic.
56:13SPEAKER- Yep.
56:14SPEAKERWill they break the metal part and melt down the metal
56:16SPEAKERand break the plastic part and send the plastic,
56:18SPEAKERthrow the plastic in the ocean or something?
56:19SPEAKERI don't know what happens to that.
56:20SPEAKER- It does occur to me there is the other option.
56:24SPEAKERJust put it on the street with a sign that says free.
56:26SPEAKER- The classic free sign.
56:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, that fractal design,
56:30SPEAKERthat is a nice case.
56:32SPEAKERSomebody will take that on the free sign.
56:34SPEAKER- It's pretty good.
56:34SPEAKERI mean, it's too small.
56:35SPEAKERLike Micro ATX is not super well supported these days.
56:38SPEAKER- But you've got an ATX board and it'll be fine.
56:40SPEAKER- Right, yeah, of course,
56:41SPEAKERyou could put a smaller board in there.
56:43SPEAKERThere's still some Micro ATX boards on the market.
56:46SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say, the other thing is
56:48SPEAKERwe have good luck getting rid of stuff like that
56:50SPEAKERon the Next Door or Facebook free giveaway pages.
56:57SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, I had considered something like that,
57:00SPEAKERbut the hassle of posting an ad
57:01SPEAKERand having to deal with people responding
57:03SPEAKERand that's never a pleasant process.
57:06SPEAKER- Well, okay, so where we are, we just say,
57:08SPEAKERhey, I'm putting this out on the front porch
57:09SPEAKERat three o'clock today.
57:11SPEAKERCome get it if you want it.
57:12SPEAKERAnd then people can come get it in anything.
57:14SPEAKERI do it on Trash J and then if it doesn't make it,
57:16SPEAKERthen it either goes in the trash
57:17SPEAKERor I take it to the electronics recycling
57:19SPEAKERor whatever later.
57:19SPEAKER- That sounds like a low impact option.
57:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it works pretty well.
57:23SPEAKERAnyway, Brad, we've reached the point in the show,
57:26SPEAKERI think, where we've poed our last Paree.
57:31SPEAKER- For now.
57:32SPEAKER- For now, yeah, of course.
57:34SPEAKERI really do think a full fan control episode
57:36SPEAKERis in our future.
57:40SPEAKERThey've added some cool stuff to it lately, man.
57:42SPEAKER- It seems extremely robust.
57:44SPEAKERI'm pretty impressed even just from the little bit
57:46SPEAKERI've poked at it, but that'll probably also be a good place
57:48SPEAKERonce we get to it for me to talk about deeper CPU heat,
57:53SPEAKERvoltage, wattage, power consumption type stuff as well,
57:56SPEAKERjust general efficiency making in this machine.
57:59SPEAKER- Maybe that's the episode,
58:02SPEAKERis how do you make your PCs quiet and efficient
58:03SPEAKERand we get Adam in for that.
58:05SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
58:07SPEAKERAnd that's a great, we kind of talked about this
58:09SPEAKERwhen I was trying to decide if I was gonna go Intel or AMD,
58:11SPEAKERlike a non-zero factor in my decision
58:15SPEAKERwas if you have an Intel system,
58:18SPEAKERif you have high-end Intel and I have high-end AMD,
58:20SPEAKERthat's a good way to contrast those platforms
58:23SPEAKERover the coming months.
58:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny as I've done more,
58:27SPEAKERwhen we set this up,
58:28SPEAKERwhen we were talking about this originally,
58:30SPEAKERI wasn't doing a lot of,
58:32SPEAKERI was doing a lot of burst compute
58:34SPEAKERand not a lot of sustained compute.
58:35SPEAKERAnd now all of a sudden with the Unreal stuff,
58:37SPEAKERI'm doing a lot of sustained compute.
58:39SPEAKEROh, well, it'll be fine.
58:41SPEAKERIt turns out it's fine.
58:42SPEAKER- Those tiny cores are not doing it anymore, huh?
58:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's fine.
58:45SPEAKERMy tiny core, I'm not sensitive about my tiny cores.
58:49SPEAKER- These Cinebench accelerators, as BuildZoid refers to them.
58:53SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly, exactly.
58:55SPEAKER- You have a lot of them though.
58:56SPEAKER- I do have a, there are like,
59:00SPEAKERwhat I will say is Firefox uses those tiny cores
59:02SPEAKERand it uses a lot of them and they have,
59:05SPEAKERlike each tab gets its own core.
59:06SPEAKER- That's crazy, that's actually kind of awesome.
59:08SPEAKERI get it, I get it.
59:09SPEAKER- Yeah, but this is, we should wrap up the show.
59:13SPEAKERSo this is the part of the show
59:14SPEAKERwhere we think our patrons, as always,
59:16SPEAKERBrad and Will Made a TechPod is 100% listener supported.
59:18SPEAKER- Yes.
59:19SPEAKER- I remember how to do this this week
59:20SPEAKER'cause it hasn't been two weeks since we did it last.
59:23SPEAKER- We're kind of back in the groove.
59:24SPEAKERThank you, thank you, patrons, for your support.
59:26SPEAKERThank you for listening to this episode.
59:28SPEAKERHopefully it wasn't too rambly, let us know.
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59:49SPEAKERYou can get it on the TechPod Discord.
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59:54SPEAKERwhere we talk about, I mean, all sorts of stuff.
59:58SPEAKERIt's all over, like that one sometimes is really focused
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1:00:02SPEAKERAnd yeah, and join the Discord.
1:00:05SPEAKERThe Discord's the real secret magic.
1:00:07SPEAKERI actually, this morning I was up, I woke up,
1:00:11SPEAKERI had a headache, so I went to bed real early last night.
1:00:13SPEAKERI woke up at like five o'clock in the morning today,
1:00:15SPEAKERand I popped in the Discord early,
1:00:17SPEAKER'cause there's always people there talking.
1:00:18SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Hey, what do you all think
1:00:19SPEAKER"about this new episode idea?"
1:00:21SPEAKERAnd we talked through the thing
1:00:23SPEAKERthat you and I talked about before.
1:00:26SPEAKERAnd people had really good ideas.
1:00:29SPEAKERSo it's a lovely community for people.
1:00:31SPEAKERThere's a bazillion channels that cover everything,
1:00:34SPEAKERtopics from, "Hey, here's a place to share pictures
1:00:37SPEAKER"of your desk setup, your battle station,
1:00:41SPEAKER"and/or your pets," all the way down to,
1:00:43SPEAKERwe just added a gardening channel
1:00:47SPEAKERto the real life section for folks.
1:00:50SPEAKER'Cause it's, in the northern hemisphere at least,
1:00:52SPEAKERit's garden planting season right now.
1:00:55SPEAKER- It is.
1:00:56SPEAKER- And a lot of lovely stuff happening in there every day.
1:01:01SPEAKERSo yeah, we even have a channel for Australians
1:01:03SPEAKERso they can talk about Australia's stuff.
1:01:04SPEAKER- That's right, by extreme popular request, it turned out.
1:01:10SPEAKER- I thought it was, I thought that everybody else,
1:01:12SPEAKERI thought it was the Canadians that wanted to segregate
1:01:14SPEAKERthe Australians in the Australia channel.
1:01:16SPEAKERBut it turns out the Australians wanted a place
1:01:18SPEAKERto talk about Australia shit where nobody else
1:01:20SPEAKERwould harass them about calling flip-flops thongs.
1:01:23SPEAKER- Look, I am not going to get into beef
1:01:25SPEAKERwithin the Commonwealth.
1:01:26SPEAKERThat's for them to sort out.
1:01:28SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.
1:01:29SPEAKERNew Zealand, meanwhile, sitting over looking smug
1:01:31SPEAKERon the side.
1:01:32SPEAKER- Simple as.
1:01:33SPEAKER- Yeah, so this week, of course, we're gonna thank
1:01:37SPEAKERour executive producers, dear patrons, as we do every week.
1:01:39SPEAKERSo thank you to Nick Johnston,
1:01:41SPEAKERPaddle Creek Games Makers of Fractured Vale,
1:01:44SPEAKERAndrew Slosky, Brad's Midsize Hoodoo Voodoo Switcheroo.
1:01:48SPEAKERDon't know about that one.
1:01:49SPEAKEROctothorpe Bunnycrimes, Just Wedge, Joel Krauska,
1:01:53SPEAKERTwinkle Twinkie, David Allen, and James Kamik.
1:01:55SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.
1:01:56SPEAKER- Yes, thank you, thank you.
1:01:58SPEAKER- And that'll do it for us this week, Brad.
1:02:00SPEAKERSo we will be back next week with another episode
1:02:03SPEAKERof the Tech Bot.
1:02:04SPEAKERDo you know what next week is?
1:02:04SPEAKER- I do.
1:02:06SPEAKERIt starts with an E and some males.
1:02:10SPEAKER- We're eloping.
1:02:11SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
1:02:12SPEAKER- We're eating, it's the Moji episode.
1:02:16SPEAKER- That's right, finally, it's coming.
1:02:19SPEAKER- We're gonna eat a latte.
1:02:21SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds good.
1:02:22SPEAKERYou couldn't podcast while doing that, but...
1:02:25SPEAKER- I made another latte salad the other day
1:02:27SPEAKERfor a barbecue that was pretty good.
1:02:29SPEAKER- That sounds pretty good.
1:02:30SPEAKER- Yeah, you just mix it, you cut the corn off the kernels
1:02:32SPEAKERand then char it in the pan.
1:02:34SPEAKER- It wasn't quite as good, but it was a lot less messy.
1:02:38SPEAKER- Okay, well, it's not elote, but it's emails, which...
1:02:40SPEAKER- Oh, it's email.
1:02:41SPEAKERWell, that's an underwhelming segue now.
1:02:43SPEAKER- We should try to season the emails a little better.
1:02:45SPEAKER- Yeah, so...
1:02:46SPEAKER- Or questions, rather, sorry, it's questions.
1:02:49SPEAKER- Well, we do questions and emails.
1:02:51SPEAKERWe forgot to do emails last month,
1:02:52SPEAKERso we have a backlog of pretty good emails.
1:02:54SPEAKER- Questions can come in email form,
1:02:56SPEAKERor they can come via the appropriate Discord channel.
1:02:58SPEAKER- That's true.
1:02:59SPEAKERYou can find, if you're in the Discord,
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1:03:02SPEAKERIf you're not in the Discord, you can send an email
1:03:04SPEAKERto techpod@content.town, and we will see that email
1:03:08SPEAKERand respond to it, possibly on the show next week.
1:03:11SPEAKERSo thanks for listening, everybody.
1:03:12SPEAKERWe will see you all next week.