17: Jimmy Dean Organic

00:00SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, the decorations still up, huh?

00:01SPEAKERIt's a very important trophy hanging from your rear

00:04SPEAKERover there. - You have a problem with that?

00:05SPEAKER- No, I love that the festive spirit lives within you still.

00:07SPEAKER- I invite you into my home and you come in here

00:09SPEAKERand you pass judgment on my decorating preferences.

00:12SPEAKER- Look, I've talked up your light choice a lot.

00:14SPEAKER- That's true.

00:15SPEAKER- I have given a lot of people reasons to burn,

00:18SPEAKERI'm probably responsible for at least five or 10 tons

00:21SPEAKERof carbon dioxide in the air.

00:23SPEAKER- Tens of dollars of wasted electricity.

00:25SPEAKER- From encouraging people to go back

00:26SPEAKERto incandescent Christmas tree lights.

00:28SPEAKER- I mean, at the time of this recording,

00:30SPEAKERthe 12 days of Christmas only ended two days,

00:33SPEAKERthree days ago?

00:34SPEAKER- Wait, did the 12 days of Christmas start

00:35SPEAKERon Christmas or before Christmas?

00:36SPEAKER- Yeah, they run through January 5th.

00:37SPEAKER- What?

00:38SPEAKER- It's technically the last of the days of Christmas.

00:40SPEAKER- How did I never know this?

00:41SPEAKER- Yeah, so I mean, I feel like up through the fifth,

00:43SPEAKERyour anything goes as far as decorations,

00:44SPEAKERbut where are you guys at?

00:46SPEAKER- Gina took the ornaments off yesterday,

00:48SPEAKERshe's taken apart all of the Christmas themed Lego.

00:50SPEAKER- Okay, you still have remnants though?

00:52SPEAKER- The lights are still on the outside of the house

00:53SPEAKER'cause the weather's been too crappy

00:55SPEAKERfor me to go out and take them off.

00:56SPEAKER- So I'm in a game of Christmas tree chicken

00:59SPEAKERwith an apartment across the way.

01:00SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

01:01SPEAKER- Behind the building here.

01:02SPEAKER- They still have theirs up?

01:03SPEAKER- They've got a full size, like six, seven foot.

01:05SPEAKER- Yeah, blinking colored lights, the whole works.

01:07SPEAKER- Theirs is still up, so as long as that tree is still up,

01:10SPEAKERI think I'm okay.

01:10SPEAKER- I was at the tested office in the mission the other day

01:13SPEAKERand we went to lunch and walking through the mission.

01:16SPEAKER- Oh, it's just, I bet it's just a graveyard.

01:18SPEAKER- It's great because like everywhere you walk,

01:19SPEAKERyou're brushing up against old Christmas trees

01:21SPEAKERand it smells terrific.

01:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that kind of sad to me though.

01:24SPEAKERIt's really seeing them just laying there bare,

01:26SPEAKERnaked on the sidewalk.

01:28SPEAKER- Look, part of the Buddhist practice

01:30SPEAKERis acknowledging that death is a part of life.

01:32SPEAKER- That's fair, you have to learn to let go.

01:34SPEAKER- Yeah, the time has passed.

01:37SPEAKER- You ever burn a Christmas tree?

01:38SPEAKER- I mean, that's what we used to do exclusively.

01:40SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly, that's the side.

01:41SPEAKER- We'd go out in the back field,

01:43SPEAKERwe'd use that to start the junk pile.

01:46SPEAKERLook, I grew up in the country,

01:47SPEAKERso when we had shit that we needed to get rid of,

01:49SPEAKERwe didn't take it to the dump.

01:50SPEAKERWe just had a hole back in the back

01:52SPEAKERthat like we'd tractored all the dirt away,

01:54SPEAKERthe burnable stuff away from.

01:56SPEAKER- My girlfriend had never,

01:57SPEAKERshe didn't know how flammable a Christmas tree truly is.

02:00SPEAKERAnd she'd never seen one burn before.

02:01SPEAKERI was like, you have no idea.

02:03SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's like gasoline.

02:05SPEAKER- The thing explodes.

02:06SPEAKER- What is it, is it steel wool?

02:07SPEAKERI think we used to use steel wool, like not an SOS pad,

02:10SPEAKERbut steel wool without soap on it,

02:13SPEAKERlike just a plain steel wool.

02:14SPEAKERAnd you pull it apart a little bit

02:15SPEAKERand spark some magnesium in there

02:17SPEAKERand then hit it with a spark.

02:18SPEAKERAnd it's just like, it explodes.

02:20SPEAKERChristmas trees go up faster than that.

02:22SPEAKERIt's just like a bomb in your living room.

02:24SPEAKER(upbeat music)

02:49SPEAKERHey Brad.

02:50SPEAKER- Hi Will.

02:51SPEAKER- Thank you, Brad and Will made a tech pod.

02:52SPEAKER- Let's make a tech pod.

02:53SPEAKER- It's the number one tech podcast by two guys

02:56SPEAKERwho sit around and talk about one thing once a week.

02:58SPEAKER- In sweats of various types.

03:00SPEAKER- And sometimes take questions.

03:01SPEAKER- Yup, not this week though.

03:02SPEAKER- This week's topic.

03:03SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about the,

03:05SPEAKERhow real the stuff we saw at CES is.

03:08SPEAKER- The tidings of the new year.

03:10SPEAKERThe consumer electronics show is upon us.

03:12SPEAKER- Let me go ahead and tell you,

03:13SPEAKERthere is nothing that makes me happier.

03:15SPEAKER- Can I stop you, can I guess?

03:16SPEAKER- Yeah, go ahead.

03:17SPEAKER- Not having to annually go to CES?

03:19SPEAKERLike, I don't mind Vegas.

03:21SPEAKERAlthough we used to go for like 10 days,

03:23SPEAKERwhich was a lot.

03:24SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a, wow, are you kidding?

03:26SPEAKER- When we drove, when we were in the whiskey basement,

03:28SPEAKERwe would go, we would take the van,

03:29SPEAKERwe would load up everybody's spare in the office.

03:32SPEAKERAs many people as we could fit into the van.

03:33SPEAKERThen we'd drive 11 hours to Vegas.

03:35SPEAKER- Was there really 10 days worth of stuff to do at CES?

03:38SPEAKER- No, the problem is everybody gloms on

03:39SPEAKERto the beginning and end of it.

03:41SPEAKERSo there's like drone stuff out in the desert

03:43SPEAKERthree days before.

03:44SPEAKERAnd then there's two days of press conferences

03:46SPEAKERand then there's three days of show.

03:47SPEAKERAnd then you're like, I just want to die.

03:49SPEAKER- Like I've been to, even the game industry

03:51SPEAKERused to have plenty of Vegas press events.

03:53SPEAKERAnd I definitely decided that like 72 hours

03:56SPEAKERis the absolute limit.

03:57SPEAKER- So there's three things that are important.

03:58SPEAKERThere's three Vegas rules for me.

04:00SPEAKEROne is that you don't stay in a casino,

04:02SPEAKERthat you have to, you don't stay in a hotel

04:04SPEAKERthat you have to walk through a casino

04:05SPEAKERto get to your hotel room.

04:06SPEAKER- Does that exist?

04:07SPEAKER- Yes, those definitely exist.

04:08SPEAKERSo like Planet Hollywood,

04:09SPEAKERwhat used to be the Planet Hollywood towers,

04:11SPEAKERI think is now the Hilton.

04:12SPEAKERThere's no casino.

04:13SPEAKERYou just walk, there's like four slot machines,

04:15SPEAKERbut you can walk straight in from the door,

04:17SPEAKERgo up an elevator and be in your--

04:17SPEAKER- I mean, you can't even get through the Vegas airport

04:19SPEAKERwithout being smacked in the face with, yeah.

04:22SPEAKER- But the nice thing about that is you don't have to walk

04:23SPEAKERthrough cigarette smoke necessarily to get through,

04:26SPEAKERyou don't have to walk through thick cigarette smoke

04:28SPEAKERto get to your hotel room.

04:29SPEAKERTwo, I don't drink when I'm in Vegas,

04:32SPEAKERwhich it turns out makes Vegas much more tolerable

04:34SPEAKER'cause you're tired and you feel shitty

04:36SPEAKERand you feel kind of gross all the time,

04:38SPEAKERbut at least you don't have a hangover.

04:40SPEAKERAnd then the third one is eat vegetables,

04:44SPEAKERlike eat good, like if you eat Vegas food the whole time,

04:47SPEAKERyou'll die.

04:48SPEAKER- Bad news.

04:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the first year we went to Vegas

04:51SPEAKERand stayed for seven days, it tested,

04:52SPEAKERI think I could gain like 14 pounds, two pounds a day.

04:56SPEAKERIt was pretty good.

04:57SPEAKER- Those buffets never stop.

04:58SPEAKER- Yeah, no.

05:00SPEAKERAnd then after you do that,

05:03SPEAKERif you do that and you like try to sleep,

05:05SPEAKEReven when we were sleeping like three, four hours a night,

05:07SPEAKERit was okay.

05:08SPEAKER- Gotta take care of yourself.

05:09SPEAKER- I don't miss going to see us though.

05:11SPEAKER- I haven't been in, God,

05:12SPEAKERprobably '07 was the last time I went.

05:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:16SPEAKER- Do they insist on having it the first week of the year?

05:18SPEAKERWhy, 'cause it's cheap, really?

05:20SPEAKER- Yeah, the convention space is really,

05:21SPEAKERnobody wants to have a convention.

05:23SPEAKERQuarter of a million people come there, or used to.

05:25SPEAKER- Isn't the tech industry incredibly wealthy at this point?

05:28SPEAKER- That you don't get wealthy by pissing away money

05:30SPEAKERon prime, having a convention center space in July.

05:35SPEAKERSo yeah, over the years,

05:37SPEAKERCES kind of changed though from consumer electronics

05:39SPEAKERto computer, for a while it was all computer stuff

05:41SPEAKERand car stuff, and now it's just like, anything goes, man.

05:45SPEAKERThere's like, there's e-cigarette vape business

05:49SPEAKERhappening there.

05:50SPEAKER- Vape juice, and TV stuff, and sex toys.

05:54SPEAKER- Sorry, sorry, sexual wellness devices.

05:56SPEAKERFood.

05:58SPEAKER- 'Cause food is tech now?

05:59SPEAKER- Well, everything is tech.

06:00SPEAKER- Food is tech.

06:01SPEAKERThere's car stuff, there's more car stuff now,

06:03SPEAKERthere's self-driving cars.

06:04SPEAKERIt used to be it was just like car,

06:06SPEAKERit was like subwoofers for your car.

06:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, we are experiencing global techification

06:11SPEAKERof everything, right, so.

06:12SPEAKER- Oh God, we're doomed.

06:13SPEAKER- Like anything. - Machine learning stuff's

06:15SPEAKERthere, I guess.

06:16SPEAKER- Anything could be at CES, because everything is tech.

06:18SPEAKER- I remember one year I went, and every single tiny booth

06:21SPEAKERyou went into had an e-book reader,

06:22SPEAKERlike with an e-ink screen.

06:24SPEAKERI was like, man, these things,

06:25SPEAKERhow many people are buying these books

06:28SPEAKERthat have no store attached, only to read pirated e-books?

06:31SPEAKERTurns out a lot of people.

06:33SPEAKER- Those books are pretty small, who knew?

06:36SPEAKER- But yeah, so there have actually been,

06:38SPEAKERWirecutter used to joke that there was one article

06:41SPEAKERworth of things to do, to talk about, that came out of CES

06:43SPEAKERthat were real and good, and they would go and make one,

06:46SPEAKERit was a pretty long article, it was like one,

06:48SPEAKERthey would send 20 people and make one article,

06:50SPEAKERwhich I thought was hilarious.

06:52SPEAKERBut this year there have been a couple of things

06:53SPEAKERthat are actually impactful,

06:54SPEAKERand that probably we'll have to talk about in the future,

06:56SPEAKER'cause I don't think we wanna dig in

06:57SPEAKERall the way on them today.

06:59SPEAKERBut like Bluetooth, Bluetooth LE audio.

07:02SPEAKER- In your mind, is that the thing?

07:03SPEAKERIs that the biggest news out of here?

07:06SPEAKEROr it certainly seems like maybe the most actionable

07:08SPEAKERor relevant news?

07:09SPEAKER- I think it's the most real,

07:11SPEAKERit's the thing that's gonna affect people's soonest, probably.

07:14SPEAKERLike it won't be on the phones

07:15SPEAKERthat you have now currently, probably.

07:17SPEAKER- So it's not gonna be backwards compatible,

07:19SPEAKERthis is not gonna be a firmware update?

07:21SPEAKER- It'll be backwards compatible,

07:22SPEAKERbut it won't be a firmware update.

07:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what I mean,

07:24SPEAKERit can't be enabled in existing phones.

07:26SPEAKER- It doesn't seem like it, that's unclear to me.

07:28SPEAKERI could be wrong, it seems like it's something

07:31SPEAKERthat when we get the next gen of SOCs on phones,

07:34SPEAKERand the next gen of the embedded chips

07:35SPEAKERthat make Bluetooth headsets work,

07:37SPEAKERit's like Bluetooth headphones work rather,

07:39SPEAKERit's the thing that's gonna do that,

07:41SPEAKERis what it seemed like to me.

07:42SPEAKER- Okay.

07:43SPEAKER- But then there's some other stuff too,

07:44SPEAKERlike AMD announced an enormous 64 core Threadripper,

07:48SPEAKERwhich 128 logical cores.

07:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, it's a $4,000 processor.

07:54SPEAKERIt's not for us, but you can buy,

07:57SPEAKERwe talked about chiplets last week.

07:59SPEAKER- That's a lot of chiplets.

08:00SPEAKER- It's a lot of chiplets, holy crap.

08:02SPEAKER- We'll just do a quick overview here,

08:03SPEAKERwe've got 360 Hertz screens, we've got impossible pork.

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, so unicellular grown pork products.

08:12SPEAKERI don't know if they're unicellular.

08:13SPEAKERSo they were talking,

08:14SPEAKERone of the things that came out of the impossible.

08:15SPEAKER- Are there grades of impossible meat?

08:17SPEAKER- Well, I don't know, it's all the same.

08:19SPEAKERIt's how they shape it, and how you shape it,

08:21SPEAKERand stuff like that.

08:23SPEAKERHave you cooked with that stuff at all yet?

08:24SPEAKER- No, I've never tried it.

08:25SPEAKER- Oh, so it's interesting.

08:27SPEAKERI've had a Whopper, and I feel like I had a burger

08:30SPEAKERat Jardin Air before that shut down.

08:33SPEAKER- Are they doing the Whopper everywhere?

08:34SPEAKER- The Whopper's everywhere now.

08:35SPEAKERLike literally every-- - You could go to Burger King.

08:37SPEAKER- I could get to a Burger King,

08:38SPEAKERmaybe I should just go try that.

08:40SPEAKER- I mean, look, we could take a break

08:41SPEAKERbetween the podcast, go get an impossible.

08:43SPEAKER- I'm not recording any more podcast after Burger King.

08:47SPEAKERThis is a pre-Burger King podcast.

08:49SPEAKER- I had my first fast food cheeseburger of the year

08:52SPEAKERon the way over here, 'cause I hadn't eaten yet.

08:54SPEAKER- Who got the honor?

08:55SPEAKER- I went to Wendy's, I find it's the best mix

08:58SPEAKERof decent fries and decent burger.

09:00SPEAKER- Did you have the junior bacon cheeseburger?

09:02SPEAKER- I went with this awesome bacon cheeseburger

09:06SPEAKERthat has like some sort of slightly spicy mayonnaise on it.

09:10SPEAKERIt's like a sauced up aioli and some tomatoes.

09:12SPEAKER- Sounds fancy. - Pretty good burger, yeah.

09:13SPEAKERPretty good burger.

09:14SPEAKER- I always thought of Wendy's as the fancy burger shop.

09:16SPEAKER- They're square, yeah, yeah.

09:18SPEAKERYou don't go to Wendy's.

09:19SPEAKERYou know, you go to Wendy's for a three course.

09:21SPEAKERYou get like your burger, your fries,

09:23SPEAKERand then a Frosty afterwards.

09:25SPEAKER- Cup of chili. - Yeah.

09:26SPEAKERBaked potato, you like Wendy's baked potato and chili?

09:28SPEAKERI would just go get baked potato and chili

09:30SPEAKERfor lunch sometimes when I work next door at Wendy's.

09:32SPEAKER- Lunch of kings.

09:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so the Impossible announced pork.

09:36SPEAKERAnd then they were talking about how they feel

09:40SPEAKERlike a lot of the meat protein products we eat

09:43SPEAKERare gonna be based on unicellular life,

09:45SPEAKERnot multicellular life.

09:46SPEAKER- Oh, that's what you meant, okay.

09:47SPEAKER- In the future, yeah.

09:49SPEAKER- Such as?

09:50SPEAKER- Like they grow bacteria and fungus and yeast and stuff

09:55SPEAKERthat is engineered to produce similar nutrition

09:58SPEAKERand flavor and texture and then form it into pieces

10:01SPEAKERthat look, like the Impossible stuff looks like beef.

10:03SPEAKER- I think I will take that over insect-based food.

10:06SPEAKER- I've eaten insect-based food, that's fine.

10:07SPEAKER- I've had it, it's certainly edible.

10:09SPEAKERIt's just not necessarily very appetizing.

10:11SPEAKER- The cricket flour, like the--

10:13SPEAKER- So I didn't have anything that was broken down

10:15SPEAKERto that extent.

10:17SPEAKER- Oh.

10:18SPEAKER- To the extent that it actually resembled

10:19SPEAKERlike existing food products.

10:21SPEAKERThis was more like, here are some fried crickets.

10:23SPEAKER- The cricket flour--

10:24SPEAKER- Here's a hot dog with some mealworms on it.

10:26SPEAKER- Man, the cricket flour has a really lovely taste.

10:29SPEAKERIt's like I had chocolate chip cookies made with it.

10:33SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

10:34SPEAKER- And probably wouldn't have realized

10:35SPEAKERthat they were made with anything.

10:37SPEAKER- No, I'm kidding.

10:37SPEAKER- They were better than a lot

10:39SPEAKERof the non-gluten flour alternatives.

10:41SPEAKER- So yeah, like once it's processed to the point

10:43SPEAKERthat it resembles everyday food,

10:44SPEAKERI think I'd probably be fine with it.

10:45SPEAKER- Yeah, and the nice thing is like,

10:46SPEAKERwhen you're in your bunker, you can grow enough crickets

10:48SPEAKERto support your family of four in like a four by four box.

10:51SPEAKER- They're very green.

10:52SPEAKER- Yeah, it turns out.

10:53SPEAKER- All right, so are we doing pork now?

10:54SPEAKERDo you want to just--

10:55SPEAKER- I mean, we want to just jump,

10:55SPEAKERyeah, I don't know what to do here.

10:57SPEAKERThis isn't a Roundup podcast, how do we do this?

11:00SPEAKERI don't know.

11:01SPEAKER- Well, we're talking about the pork,

11:01SPEAKERso let's finish the pork.

11:02SPEAKER- Okay.

11:03SPEAKER- But I read about it and like,

11:05SPEAKERI've really, the gist of the story I read was,

11:07SPEAKERhey, they announced Impossible Pork.

11:08SPEAKERLike there wasn't a lot of other detail there

11:10SPEAKERin terms of like how it's being made

11:12SPEAKERor how it's differentiated other than--

11:14SPEAKER- It tastes like pork.

11:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:16SPEAKER- Yeah, so ground pork and sausage.

11:17SPEAKERSo presumably now you can make an Impossible Meatloaf

11:20SPEAKER'cause you need pork and sauce and beef to do meatloaf.

11:23SPEAKERBut like, it looks like they're going down the most,

11:27SPEAKERfirst, the easiest targets, like ground beef.

11:29SPEAKERAmericans eat a ton of ground beef.

11:31SPEAKERAmericans eat a ton of ground pork in terms of sausage

11:34SPEAKERand stuff like that.

11:34SPEAKER- What I did not know looking into this

11:36SPEAKERis that according to the UN,

11:37SPEAKERpork is the most consumed protein in the world.

11:39SPEAKER- 'Cause of Asia.

11:40SPEAKER- Yeah, but I still would have guessed it was chicken.

11:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think so.

11:44SPEAKER- Oh, wow, really?

11:45SPEAKER- I don't think chicken's even number two, actually.

11:46SPEAKER- Wow, we killed a trillion.

11:48SPEAKERWe've gotten so much weird chicken male lately, by the way.

11:50SPEAKER- Right.

11:51SPEAKER- We talk about chicken farming one time.

11:53SPEAKER- And the global fossil layer of chicken bones.

11:56SPEAKER- Yeah, the avian age.

12:00SPEAKER- But yeah, I didn't realize pork

12:02SPEAKERwas the predominant meat in Asia.

12:04SPEAKERObviously, Impossible wants to expand into China,

12:06SPEAKERso pork is an obvious next step.

12:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:09SPEAKER- But do you think the genesis of this

12:11SPEAKERis the same as the beef,

12:12SPEAKERand then at some point in the production process

12:14SPEAKERthat they differentiate the texture and the flavor somehow?

12:17SPEAKER- I mean, the texture's kind of,

12:18SPEAKERif you think about ground pork versus ground beef,

12:19SPEAKERthe texture's similar.

12:22SPEAKERA lot of the texture on the Impossible stuff

12:23SPEAKERcomes with how you cook it.

12:24SPEAKERSo when we've tried it at home, it doesn't have fat.

12:28SPEAKERUnlike normal beef, it doesn't have,

12:29SPEAKERthe ground beef doesn't have fat.

12:31SPEAKERSo you have to use oil or butter or olive oil

12:35SPEAKERor add some fat yourself.

12:36SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.

12:38SPEAKER- Or else it doesn't brown properly,

12:39SPEAKER'cause that fat helps the Maillard reaction.

12:42SPEAKERIt gets hot enough that the Maillard reaction can come out.

12:44SPEAKER- The Maillard reaction again.

12:44SPEAKER- We love the Maillard reaction here.

12:47SPEAKERSo yeah, I'm interested in trying it.

12:49SPEAKERI feel like breakfast sausages

12:51SPEAKERare a good place to start with that,

12:52SPEAKERand they're selling, it seems like they're gonna sell

12:54SPEAKERa sausage version and a just plain ground pork version.

12:59SPEAKER- Okay, the ultimate litmus test for this stuff.

13:02SPEAKERCan you make good white sausage gravy with it?

13:05SPEAKER- I can't imagine you, could you?

13:08SPEAKER- Can you make proper biscuits and gravy

13:09SPEAKERwith this Impossible?

13:10SPEAKER- So here's my secret shame.

13:13SPEAKERMost pork sausage that you get now

13:16SPEAKERdoes not have a high enough fat content,

13:17SPEAKER'cause most American pork is low fat.

13:19SPEAKERSo I almost always add lard even to the ground pork fat.

13:24SPEAKER- Good old Jimmy Dean.

13:25SPEAKER- Unless I do, well, so we do the Jimmy Dean organic.

13:28SPEAKER- Oh.

13:29SPEAKER- Just 'cause it's less salty.

13:31SPEAKERLike the Jimmy Dean straight is so salty, I can't eat it.

13:34SPEAKER- I didn't think I would ever hear the phrase

13:35SPEAKERJimmy Dean organic in my life.

13:37SPEAKER- It's ludicrous, right?

13:38SPEAKER- It sounds like an oxymoron.

13:40SPEAKER- But it's much lower salt, so it's not,

13:42SPEAKERlike I like, when I'm back East,

13:45SPEAKERTennessee Pride is the sausage of choice.

13:48SPEAKER- Oh, really?

13:49SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a classic Tennessee brand.

13:51SPEAKER- We didn't have a local brand, we.

13:52SPEAKER- Oh, you just did Jimmy Dean?

13:53SPEAKER- Just went with the old JD.

13:54SPEAKER- I mean, it was hard when I moved here,

13:56SPEAKER'cause they didn't have JD, but the JD organic

13:59SPEAKERis, I think, better than Tennessee Pride.

14:00SPEAKER- Interesting.

14:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so, but yeah, you're gonna have to add a lot of fat.

14:04SPEAKERYou could use butter, though.

14:05SPEAKERI mean, I guess butter's not gonna be vegetarian,

14:06SPEAKERbut it'll be, not gonna be vegan,

14:08SPEAKERbut it'll still be vegetarian.

14:09SPEAKER- Sure.

14:10SPEAKER- So yeah, impossible pork.

14:12SPEAKER- Yep, that's happening.

14:14SPEAKER- Should we, do you wanna save the Bluetooth stuff

14:16SPEAKERfor the end, or do you wanna jump right in and get to it?

14:19SPEAKER- I mean, that's the thing where we have

14:20SPEAKERthe most bullet points on here, so let's get into it.

14:23SPEAKER- So what is Bluetooth LE?

14:25SPEAKER- I guess the LE stands for low energy.

14:27SPEAKER- Sounds right.

14:29SPEAKER- There are multiple components to this,

14:31SPEAKERand I have had a little bit of trouble separating them out.

14:34SPEAKER- Well, it's like a network stack,

14:35SPEAKER'cause there's like a hardware layer,

14:37SPEAKERand then there's a--

14:37SPEAKER- Yeah, so I think at the bottom is the LE,

14:39SPEAKERwhich is the signal.

14:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:41SPEAKER- It's a specific type of signal.

14:43SPEAKERSo they're using that for audio now,

14:44SPEAKERand then within that, there is a new codec called LC3.

14:47SPEAKER- Which is lower, higher quality, lower bit rate?

14:50SPEAKER- That's how they're pitching it.

14:51SPEAKER- Okay.

14:52SPEAKERSo from the sound of it,

14:53SPEAKERthis is going to be kind of the new baseline

14:55SPEAKERBluetooth audio standard,

14:56SPEAKERbecause all the comparisons I've seen out there

14:58SPEAKERhave been against SBC, which is the old,

15:00SPEAKERlike that's the lowest common denominator

15:02SPEAKERBluetooth standard, right?

15:03SPEAKER- Yes.

15:04SPEAKER- That's the one that everybody has.

15:05SPEAKER- That's the one that like worked

15:06SPEAKERyour old Bluetooth headset 15 years ago.

15:08SPEAKER- So like if you've got AirPods, they do better than that.

15:10SPEAKERIf you've got like, I don't know,

15:11SPEAKERlike Qualcomm's got their aptX stuff,

15:13SPEAKERwhich is higher quality than that.

15:15SPEAKERBut SBC is the one that any cheapo $20 off the shelf

15:20SPEAKER- And is SBC--

15:21SPEAKER- Is gonna support, I believe.

15:22SPEAKER- Okay.

15:23SPEAKER- I just, my defense detail,

15:25SPEAKERlike untangling the mess of Bluetooth audio codecs

15:30SPEAKERis very difficult.

15:31SPEAKER- Reading through how this works made it really clear to me

15:33SPEAKERthat we need to do a whole Bluetooth,

15:34SPEAKERhow Bluetooth audio work.

15:35SPEAKERLike there's a lot there.

15:37SPEAKERLike at a real high level,

15:38SPEAKERthere's a weird thing with Bluetooth audio

15:40SPEAKERwhere when you're using your phone and like plugging it,

15:44SPEAKERlike in the old days, when your phone had a headphone jack,

15:46SPEAKERyou would plug the phone in

15:48SPEAKERand there'd be a digital audio analog converter,

15:51SPEAKERa DAC on the phone.

15:53SPEAKER- On the phone, right.

15:53SPEAKER- That would basically turn the digital signal,

15:55SPEAKERthe digital slices of the audio signal--

15:58SPEAKER- Just into an electrical--

15:59SPEAKER- Into a wave, yeah.

15:59SPEAKER- That goes up the cord.

16:01SPEAKER- Yeah, and now that lives on the Bluetooth headset

16:04SPEAKERbehind the radio.

16:05SPEAKERAnd there's like a network pipe essentially

16:07SPEAKERthat runs over Bluetooth's,

16:08SPEAKERBluetooth has a kind of low bit rate.

16:11SPEAKERI don't know what it is now on modern Bluetooth.

16:12SPEAKERI should have looked that up.

16:13SPEAKERBut anyway, okay, so there's a new pipe,

16:17SPEAKERthere's a new codec that lives inside that pipe.

16:19SPEAKERPresumably people can continue using

16:21SPEAKERwhatever codecs they were using before.

16:22SPEAKER- I guess so.

16:23SPEAKER- Whether it's SBC or AAC or AptX.

16:24SPEAKER- Yeah, but it sounds like LC3, this new codec,

16:26SPEAKERis going to give you better sound quality

16:28SPEAKERat the same or low bit rates.

16:30SPEAKER- The thing that was interesting to me about this

16:32SPEAKERis that it's multiple independent synchronized streams.

16:35SPEAKER- Yeah, in terms of like usability,

16:37SPEAKERthat seems like the thing that actually matters the most.

16:39SPEAKERI haven't considered this,

16:40SPEAKERbut I mean it makes perfect intuitive sense

16:42SPEAKERthat current true wireless earbuds, you know,

16:46SPEAKERthe AirPod style, you know,

16:49SPEAKERare essentially only connecting one of those to the phone

16:52SPEAKERand then it's shooting a beam straight through your brain

16:56SPEAKERto the other earbud.

16:57SPEAKER- That sounds terrific.

16:59SPEAKER- I mean, when I say that makes intuitive sense,

17:01SPEAKERlike there's no other way that could work, right?

17:03SPEAKER- Well.

17:04SPEAKER- But I never actually stopped to consider,

17:05SPEAKERoh my God, these headphones are just beaming the audio

17:08SPEAKERstraight through the skull of everyone using them.

17:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:12SPEAKER- I mean, whatever, it's low energy radio waves, it's not.

17:14SPEAKER- Yeah, it's multiple.

17:15SPEAKER- As far as we know.

17:17SPEAKER- No, no, no.

17:17SPEAKERThis isn't as far, there's been multiple.

17:19SPEAKER- I know, there's been tons and tons of studies.

17:22SPEAKER- You gotta be careful

17:23SPEAKER'cause the chemtrails people are out there.

17:24SPEAKER- Yes, yes, I know.

17:25SPEAKEROh, dude, forget the chemtrails people.

17:26SPEAKERThe wifi people are out there.

17:27SPEAKER- Yeah, oh God.

17:28SPEAKER- The cover your house in tinfoil.

17:30SPEAKER- The people who moved to West Virginia to the low,

17:32SPEAKERdo you know about the low radio zone in West Virginia?

17:35SPEAKEROh, so there's an area in West Virginia that's.

17:39SPEAKER- This is some kind of like Luddite utopianism.

17:40SPEAKERLet's find a geographical area

17:42SPEAKERthat will block all the radio signals that.

17:44SPEAKER- Well, it's where there's big radio observatories.

17:46SPEAKER- Control our minds.

17:47SPEAKER- And they have, they do radio experimentation there.

17:49SPEAKERSo they don't allow you to use,

17:51SPEAKERlike the normally public bands are off limits.

17:53SPEAKERSo you can't do cell phones, you can't do wifi.

17:55SPEAKERYou can't do.

17:56SPEAKER- So it's a natural dead zone.

17:57SPEAKER- It's a natural dead zone.

17:58SPEAKERSo all the people that are like EM sensitive

18:00SPEAKERmoved to West Virginia in the mountains.

18:03SPEAKER- Huh, yeah, wow.

18:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:05SPEAKER- Okay.

18:06SPEAKER- Yeah, the more you know.

18:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:07SPEAKER- But anyway.

18:08SPEAKER- Anyway, yeah, so this new standard will allow you

18:09SPEAKERto connect, my understanding is multiple devices

18:12SPEAKERat the same time.

18:13SPEAKER- So not just two earbuds, but like you and I

18:15SPEAKERcould be listening to the same Bluetooth stream

18:16SPEAKERfrom my phone, which is really cool.

18:18SPEAKER- Right, simultaneously.

18:19SPEAKER- Yeah, that'd be nice for like an airplane,

18:20SPEAKERsitting on the airplane and stuff like that.

18:22SPEAKER- From a usability standpoint,

18:23SPEAKERthat eliminates one of the things I hate the most

18:25SPEAKERabout Bluetooth, which is having to manually swap

18:27SPEAKERbetween devices.

18:29SPEAKER- Oh, right, 'cause yeah, you have to,

18:30SPEAKERyou usually have to go in and disconnect one

18:32SPEAKERand reconnect the other.

18:33SPEAKER- Like I only have one pair of earbuds

18:34SPEAKERand I have them connected to my iPhone most of the time,

18:36SPEAKERbut sometimes I want to use them with the MacBook

18:37SPEAKERand you have to go into some system settings

18:39SPEAKERand like mess with stuff every time

18:41SPEAKERyou want to change it back and forth.

18:42SPEAKER- Well, it's funny, that's one of those things,

18:44SPEAKERit's one of those reasons,

18:45SPEAKERlike that's one of the things that made me get AirPods

18:47SPEAKERwas when they started supporting Apple TV,

18:49SPEAKERthe AirPods on the Apple TV,

18:51SPEAKERand you can just sit with your AirPods in

18:53SPEAKERand listen to the TV and not bother the people

18:55SPEAKERin the room with the TV on.

18:56SPEAKER- Okay, so they make all that stuff seamless?

18:57SPEAKER- Yeah, you like long press the play button on the remote

19:00SPEAKERand it pops up a menu, it's like,

19:01SPEAKER"Hey, do you want to connect to Will's AirPods,

19:03SPEAKERGina's AirPods, you know, what other devices?"

19:06SPEAKER- So it sounds like this is going to help automate

19:07SPEAKERa lot of that stuff, not having to manually fiddle

19:10SPEAKERwith devices back and forth.

19:11SPEAKER- That sounds good.

19:12SPEAKER- What else do they have here?

19:14SPEAKERSo basically that means like, with this standard,

19:17SPEAKERboth earbuds would connect directly to the phone.

19:19SPEAKER- That seems nice.

19:20SPEAKERSo no beam through your brain.

19:21SPEAKER- Right, so there is that.

19:25SPEAKERThey're going to employ some kind of broadcast mode.

19:28SPEAKERI'm not sure how this would work in practice,

19:30SPEAKERbut the example, basically the idea,

19:32SPEAKERI mean, I guess this is a similar concept

19:34SPEAKERto what we were just talking about,

19:35SPEAKERbut the idea is a single audio source

19:37SPEAKERcould broadcast audio to numerous devices.

19:39SPEAKER- Oh no, like a silent disco, or?

19:42SPEAKER- Kind of?

19:42SPEAKER- Like the silent disco is the techno hippie,

19:45SPEAKERlike positive outcome here, right?

19:47SPEAKER- I guess so.

19:48SPEAKERWell, the example that they gave,

19:49SPEAKERwhich kind of actually seems sort of cool to me,

19:51SPEAKERis you could be sitting in an airport terminal,

19:54SPEAKERlistening to music on your Bluetooth phones,

19:56SPEAKERand an announcement relevant to your gate could go out,

20:00SPEAKERand they could broadcast that

20:01SPEAKERto you if you're closing your eyes right now.

20:04SPEAKERLike potentially that could be kind of cool to have,

20:06SPEAKERlike, you know.

20:07SPEAKER- Let me paint you the counterpoint here.

20:09SPEAKERDoes audio come in when you need to hear it?

20:11SPEAKER- I'm wearing my AirPods as I walk down the street.

20:13SPEAKER- Oh God.

20:14SPEAKER- Okay, you're right.

20:15SPEAKERThis is terrible. - From Powell Street

20:16SPEAKERto your offices at Second and Townsend.

20:18SPEAKER- Yes, and you walk past Uniqlo, or?

20:20SPEAKER- And I walk past Uniqlo,

20:21SPEAKERand I hear Uniqlo music take over my AirPods,

20:24SPEAKERand then I hear an ad for Banana Republic that says,

20:26SPEAKER"Hey, if you come in right now and mention AirPods,

20:28SPEAKER"you get 10% off."

20:29SPEAKER- You're right, this is terrible.

20:30SPEAKER- And then I just throw them in the drain

20:31SPEAKERand never wear a pair of.

20:32SPEAKER- So, I mean, the thing I couldn't find information on

20:35SPEAKERis how you would authenticate with something like that?

20:37SPEAKER- Probably, you know, it's just, it's seamless, Brad.

20:40SPEAKERYou don't have to think about it.

20:41SPEAKER- I would hope you would have to opt-in

20:42SPEAKERto something like that. - Blink to authenticate.

20:44SPEAKER- Yes.

20:45SPEAKER- Oh, this doesn't sound good.

20:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:49SPEAKERI didn't quite understand how this works,

20:50SPEAKERbut there's some kind of support for hearing aids.

20:53SPEAKER- Oh yeah, so there's-- - With the standard--

20:55SPEAKER- Modern hearing aids have Bluetooth.

20:57SPEAKERMost mid to high-end hearing aids have Bluetooth built in.

21:01SPEAKERThere's also a whole new FCC, FDA class

21:06SPEAKERof non-prescription hearing aids that you can get

21:09SPEAKERthat do selective audio boost in certain ranges

21:13SPEAKERand stuff like that. - Okay, so it's probably

21:14SPEAKERjust designed to work with that.

21:16SPEAKER- Yeah, so having lower energy

21:18SPEAKERsince those hearing aids usually use disposable batteries

21:21SPEAKERmeans that you'll get longer battery life

21:23SPEAKERout of one of your disposable batteries,

21:25SPEAKERwhich is a good thing.

21:26SPEAKER- This is cool, 'cause I have been wanting

21:28SPEAKERsome better Bluetooth headphones for a while,

21:29SPEAKERbut I'm also that curmudgeonly old fart

21:31SPEAKERthat is always waiting for some better standard

21:35SPEAKERto come around.

21:36SPEAKER- You know about the $5 Alibaba AirPod knockoffs?

21:38SPEAKER- Yes, we talked about it a little bit, didn't we?

21:40SPEAKERI was never quite brave enough to buy any.

21:42SPEAKER- Oh, it's time.

21:43SPEAKER- Maybe I should.

21:44SPEAKER- Get in there. - I should, yeah.

21:46SPEAKER- Can we talk about 360 hertz G-Sync monitors?

21:48SPEAKER- Yeah. - So this came out

21:50SPEAKERof nowhere for me.

21:52SPEAKERNvidia's been kind of slowly, at the same time,

21:55SPEAKERopening up higher frame rate non-G-Sync monitors

21:57SPEAKERto use their, to work on their cards.

22:01SPEAKERThey've also been ratcheting up the speed

22:03SPEAKERthat G-Sync works at.

22:05SPEAKERSo there were, I think, 240 or 244 hertz displays last year.

22:09SPEAKER- Are they on the market yet?

22:10SPEAKER- Yeah, you can buy those now.

22:11SPEAKER- Okay, okay, but it seems like even the 240 panels

22:14SPEAKERare just kind of really starting to become widespread.

22:17SPEAKER- They were in a, there was a Asus or Acer or Dell.

22:21SPEAKEROne of the three common G-Sync display vendors had one.

22:25SPEAKER- Of course, I guess the CES doesn't mean

22:27SPEAKERthat this product is ready to go on the market.

22:28SPEAKERIt just means, hey, we have managed to achieve this.

22:30SPEAKER- This means that, well, so in this case,

22:32SPEAKERit means that they're, I think they're targeted

22:34SPEAKERto e-sports people, like not people who are into e-sports,

22:37SPEAKERbut people who are like e-sports players.

22:39SPEAKER- Literal, actual, competitor level types.

22:43SPEAKER- It kind of seems like the equivalent

22:45SPEAKERof Nike making LeBron his own custom shoes that he,

22:52SPEAKERor the guy who ran the marathon in under two hours,

22:55SPEAKERmaking him a special pair of shoes.

22:58SPEAKERSo they had, Nvidia had some data that said,

23:02SPEAKERhey, we were seeing, we're seeing like 30% higher hit rates

23:07SPEAKERon flick shots in the handful of games

23:11SPEAKERthat actually will run at 350 frames a second.

23:13SPEAKER- That's the type of stuff I would like to hear more of,

23:15SPEAKERlike if there have been a lot of just straight up

23:16SPEAKERcognitive studies about how people process visual input.

23:20SPEAKER- So they brought in, I think,

23:21SPEAKERCSGO and Dota and maybe Overwatch players,

23:25SPEAKERand they were seeing, they were seeing more accuracy.

23:28SPEAKERLike I'm, so I'm in a weird spot with this

23:31SPEAKER'cause I've put, you know, 3000 hours into PUBG almost.

23:35SPEAKERAnd I can do, I can do, like I'm, I might be wrong,

23:40SPEAKERbut I feel like I'm playing like a pro PUBG player

23:42SPEAKERwould've been playing like two and a half years ago.

23:44SPEAKERLike I'm at that kind of pretty decent skill level,

23:47SPEAKERbut not anything modern and competitive.

23:51SPEAKER- At what refresh do you game?

23:52SPEAKER- Well, so I game at 60 hertz right now

23:55SPEAKER'cause I have an older 4K IPS panel.

23:57SPEAKER- Oh, I figured you were in some kind of high refresh.

24:00SPEAKER- No, I need, like, it's becoming clear,

24:03SPEAKERlike I've reached a point where I feel like

24:04SPEAKERthe refresh rate's actually holding me back.

24:06SPEAKERLike I can't, I can, I play with people

24:08SPEAKERwho have 144 and 244 panels,

24:10SPEAKERand they're able to see things like in cars

24:13SPEAKERbecause the higher refresh rate is reducing the blur

24:15SPEAKERas we're driving by, so they're like,

24:17SPEAKERif we're going by at 100 kilometers an hour,

24:19SPEAKERthey can see that there's a dude in the window

24:21SPEAKERthat I just see a blurry window.

24:22SPEAKER- Yeah, they can make out a head and just see a smear.

24:24SPEAKER- Yeah, so I'm curious to see,

24:27SPEAKERI talked to our friends at Nvidia

24:29SPEAKERand we can see if I can get a chance to test

24:30SPEAKERthese 360 hertz panels.

24:31SPEAKER- Wow, I would love to hear firsthand how those things.

24:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I just wanna see how they work.

24:36SPEAKERI wanna see if I can, like, I wanna see if this is a thing

24:38SPEAKERthat I can detect the difference between 144, 240, and 360,

24:42SPEAKERor if this is just gonna be for like 22 year olds

24:44SPEAKERwith god tier reflexes.

24:46SPEAKER- And you should be able to, on a single panel,

24:48SPEAKERyou should be able to test all those side by side, right?

24:50SPEAKER- I would think so, yeah.

24:51SPEAKER- That would be interesting to hear about.

24:52SPEAKER- It's also worth mentioning,

24:53SPEAKERthese are really e-sports panels.

24:54SPEAKERThey're 1080p, like 24 inch panels, they're small panels,

24:57SPEAKERdesigned to be put into like competition spaces.

25:00SPEAKER- Image quality is not a priority here.

25:01SPEAKER- Probably not.

25:02SPEAKER- It is just refresh.

25:03SPEAKER- Probably just refresh rate.

25:05SPEAKER- I gotta get one of those.

25:06SPEAKERI mean, I know we've talked about my monitors for veils,

25:10SPEAKERyes, but like, even if I go to like a press event somewhere

25:13SPEAKERto play a game on a nice high end PC or something,

25:15SPEAKERlike just the Windows desktop at a higher refresh,

25:18SPEAKERit's so much nicer.

25:19SPEAKER- If you don't upgrade these by CS next year,

25:20SPEAKERsomebody is going to sell a foldable phone

25:22SPEAKERthat is bigger than your desktop monitors.

25:24SPEAKER- Okay, well, maybe I'll just mount one of those

25:26SPEAKERon the swing arm then.

25:27SPEAKER- Did you see that big Samsung monitor?

25:30SPEAKER- The absurdly wide one.

25:31SPEAKER- The absurdly wide one?

25:32SPEAKER- Yes.

25:33SPEAKER- Like the, it looks like,

25:34SPEAKERwhat is the aspect ratio on that thing?

25:36SPEAKER- It's not, it's wider than 21.9.

25:40SPEAKER- That's too wide.

25:41SPEAKER- I agree.

25:43SPEAKERMainly because having tried to play games

25:45SPEAKERon a 21.9 monitor for a long time,

25:48SPEAKERit was just always a hassle.

25:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:50SPEAKER- Like there was always something that like,

25:51SPEAKERif you're playing old games, it's no big deal

25:53SPEAKER'cause they usually patch that stuff in later,

25:55SPEAKERbut it looks really pretty and it supports

25:57SPEAKERhigh refresh rates, which I was surprised by.

25:59SPEAKER- That's cool.

26:00SPEAKER- Okay, what else we got?

26:02SPEAKER- Should we talk about filmmaker mode?

26:05SPEAKERWhich I feel like there's very little to say about

26:08SPEAKER'cause it's kind of exactly what it sounds like.

26:10SPEAKERWell, actually I don't know, I'm of two minds

26:11SPEAKERbecause I feel like--

26:12SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about the Sun Still Entitled.

26:14SPEAKERThis is the thing where the TV looks at the disc

26:19SPEAKERand is like, hey, this is a 24 Hertz film.

26:21SPEAKER- So I don't know how they're determining it,

26:23SPEAKERbut one of the things that the TV makers are saying

26:25SPEAKERis that they do want it to be able to turn itself

26:27SPEAKERon automatically rather than the user

26:29SPEAKERhaving to toggle it on and off.

26:30SPEAKER- This is the solution for the--

26:32SPEAKER- This is for--

26:32SPEAKER- Hey, my phone's in soap opera mode.

26:33SPEAKERMy TV's in soap opera mode.

26:34SPEAKER- This is for Christopher Nolan.

26:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:36SPEAKER- And Martin Scorsese.

26:37SPEAKER- Love that guy.

26:38SPEAKER- And who else has been out there complaining about this?

26:41SPEAKER- Tarantino, Jon Favreau.

26:44SPEAKER- Ryan Johnson has been out there.

26:45SPEAKER- Ryan Johnson seems like a--

26:46SPEAKER- Whatever, every filmmaker on the planet

26:48SPEAKERhates motion smoothing on TV.

26:50SPEAKER- Look, everybody who enjoys watching TV

26:53SPEAKERthat looks not like a soccer game

26:54SPEAKERhates motion smoothing on TVs.

26:56SPEAKER- But especially people who really get off

26:57SPEAKERon the fine art of cinema.

26:59SPEAKER- Yeah, well, the point is clear.

27:02SPEAKERWe have 4K TVs that are capable of incredible gamuts

27:08SPEAKERand look spectacular, really good black levels,

27:11SPEAKERthe whole thing, and then people turn motion smoothing on

27:14SPEAKERand set 'em to the eye blaster.

27:16SPEAKEREye blaster, I need to buy a new TV mode at Best Buy,

27:19SPEAKERand it makes everything look like shit.

27:21SPEAKER- And so it's not just motion smoothing.

27:22SPEAKERThis mode is going to also disable

27:24SPEAKERany other sorts of post-processing TV is doing,

27:26SPEAKERso any kind of like weird dynamic contrast stuff

27:29SPEAKERor tenting or things that would throw off

27:32SPEAKERjust the tone of the image in addition to the motion.

27:35SPEAKER- I'm all for that.

27:36SPEAKERI think this is a great idea.

27:37SPEAKER- Yes, it's a good thing to have.

27:38SPEAKERI don't know that filmmaker mode

27:39SPEAKERis the best way to present it to people.

27:43SPEAKERI could see that being a little confusing.

27:45SPEAKER- The thing that irks me and worries me about this

27:47SPEAKERis I play games and I watch films,

27:50SPEAKERand right now on my TV,

27:51SPEAKERI have to choose between game mode,

27:52SPEAKERwhich enables the low-latency stuff,

27:54SPEAKERand the THX good-looking mode.

27:57SPEAKER- I mean, again, once we're fully

27:58SPEAKERin our glorious HDMI 2.1 future,

28:02SPEAKERand this is out there and working properly,

28:04SPEAKERideally--

28:05SPEAKER- It should just context-aware switch?

28:06SPEAKER- Yeah, the way they're pitching this,

28:08SPEAKERyou put in a UHD Blu-ray,

28:10SPEAKERand it's the UHD Alliance or whatever it's called

28:12SPEAKERthat's pushing this, and specifically,

28:13SPEAKERthey're the ones saying,

28:14SPEAKER"Hey, we want this to work automatically,"

28:16SPEAKERrather than you having to toggle it.

28:17SPEAKERSo yeah, ideally, you would throw a 4K Blu-ray in,

28:19SPEAKERit switches to filmmaker mode,

28:21SPEAKERyou turn on your Xbox and play a game,

28:23SPEAKERit switches to game mode or low-latency mode.

28:25SPEAKER- What if you've ripped a 4K Blu-ray--

28:27SPEAKER- Oh no, but you're playing it on your--

28:28SPEAKER- And you're playing it on your Xbox with Plex.

28:31SPEAKER- Oh no, the robots, I don't know if the robots

28:33SPEAKERare gonna be smart enough to figure that one out.

28:35SPEAKER- Turn off motion-smoothing, people,

28:37SPEAKERthat's the TLDR for right now.

28:38SPEAKER- It sounds like this will not be trickling down

28:40SPEAKERto existing TVs, this is something that will only be in--

28:43SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes sense.

28:44SPEAKER- Future models, so there's that.

28:46SPEAKER- But presumably, it'll have to be supported

28:48SPEAKERby the player, the disc, and the TV.

28:49SPEAKER- I guess so.

28:51SPEAKER- Right, and I assume Apple and the over-the-top,

28:54SPEAKERset-top box people will have something equivalent.

28:57SPEAKER- Probably.

28:57SPEAKER- 'Cause usually this stuff rolls out with discs,

28:59SPEAKERthe Disc Alliance, the disc people are desperate

29:01SPEAKERto get any kind of press they can at this point, honestly.

29:04SPEAKER- I would believe that, for sure.

29:06SPEAKER- Can we talk about our stuff that isn't real section now?

29:08SPEAKER- Sure.

29:09SPEAKER- Sony is making a car.

29:10SPEAKER- Well, they made a car.

29:13SPEAKER- They licensed a car drivetrain.

29:15SPEAKER- They produced a single individual automobile.

29:18SPEAKER- A concept car.

29:19SPEAKER- I don't know that they're gonna make any more.

29:20SPEAKER- Like the Prowler.

29:21SPEAKER- What's a Prowler?

29:22SPEAKER- Do you not remember the Plymouth Prowler?

29:23SPEAKER- Oh.

29:25SPEAKER- The best concept car of all time,

29:26SPEAKERit looked like a '50s roadster.

29:27SPEAKER- Yes, that's the one that looked super old-timey.

29:29SPEAKER- And it had like the fenders on top of the wheels,

29:31SPEAKERand the fenders turned with the wheels,

29:32SPEAKERbut the wheels were exposed otherwise.

29:34SPEAKER- Was it purple?

29:35SPEAKER- Purple.

29:36SPEAKER- Yes, I do remember, yes.

29:36SPEAKER- And then they turned that into the all-time,

29:39SPEAKERone of the worst cars of all time, the PT Cruiser.

29:42SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

29:43SPEAKER- America's station wagon.

29:45SPEAKER- Sure.

29:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:47SPEAKER- The Vision S, is what the Sony's calling their car.

29:50SPEAKER- Is there a Z in there, or is it an S?

29:51SPEAKER- No, it's just an S.

29:52SPEAKER- Boo.

29:53SPEAKER- It's an electric car.

29:54SPEAKERI don't, what drives something like this?

29:58SPEAKER- They have a R&D department that has to spend

30:01SPEAKERa certain amount of money each year,

30:02SPEAKERelse they lose their budget.

30:03SPEAKER- I mean, that sounds like,

30:04SPEAKERif you're that technically minded,

30:05SPEAKERthat sounds like a dream job, right?

30:06SPEAKERIt's just get a giant budget

30:07SPEAKERand be told to go make something cool.

30:09SPEAKER- I mean, what's the difference between a car

30:10SPEAKERand a drone at this point?

30:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:12SPEAKER- It's a thousand pounds.

30:14SPEAKER- I don't know, how do you feel about this thing?

30:16SPEAKERIt feels like a fairly standard electric car,

30:19SPEAKERfrom the sound of things,

30:19SPEAKERat least in terms of the actual driving of it.

30:22SPEAKER- So the first thing in the Verge article about this said,

30:26SPEAKER"The company has no plans to mass produce

30:28SPEAKER"the Vision-S, the car it surprised announced

30:30SPEAKER"at the end of the press conference

30:31SPEAKER"at this year's Consumer Electronics Show,

30:33SPEAKER"nor does it plan to do a limited run."

30:35SPEAKERSo it's literally a thing that they were like,

30:37SPEAKER"Hey, we can buy an electric car chassis

30:39SPEAKER"and then make a showcase for all the ways

30:42SPEAKER"that Sony Electronics can work

30:44SPEAKER"inside your future electric car."

30:46SPEAKER- Like when you lead off the pitch with,

30:48SPEAKER"Hey, we're never gonna make any more of these."

30:49SPEAKERIt's hard to get too excited about it.

30:51SPEAKER- It's like when Microsoft used to do those home,

30:54SPEAKERthey'd build a fake home, a fake house at CES,

30:56SPEAKERand they'd be like, "This is what the home of 2010 is."

30:58SPEAKERAnd you'd be able to walk in and they'd hand you a phone

31:01SPEAKERand you'd see a video of Bill Gates playing on the phone.

31:04SPEAKERBill Gates and The Rock would be playing on the phone.

31:06SPEAKERAnd then they'd tell you to hit a button on the phone

31:09SPEAKERand it would start playing on the TV

31:10SPEAKERand then it'd be on the wall behind the kitchen

31:12SPEAKERand you couldn't buy that house either.

31:14SPEAKERIt's a real scam. - To be fair,

31:15SPEAKERthey weren't that far off.

31:16SPEAKER- I mean, they nailed it.

31:17SPEAKER- On some of that stuff. - Yeah, they were exactly.

31:18SPEAKER- Who knew?

31:19SPEAKER- It just took 20 years to get here.

31:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:21SPEAKER- If you pull up the inside,

31:23SPEAKERthe photo of the inside of this thing, like the dash.

31:25SPEAKER- Oh, yeah.

31:26SPEAKER- It actually looks pretty fucking awesome.

31:28SPEAKER- Have you been in a car that only has screens in the dash?

31:31SPEAKERHave you ridden in a Tesla S?

31:33SPEAKER- I've never been in a Tesla,

31:34SPEAKERbut there are regular makes of cars out there now

31:37SPEAKERthat are kind of getting there, I guess.

31:39SPEAKER- I don't, like we rent zip cars occasionally

31:42SPEAKERthat I'm occasionally impressed by how much of it is screen.

31:45SPEAKERSo this is screen across the entire dash.

31:48SPEAKER- I don't think, like there's,

31:50SPEAKERI wrote about this a few years ago,

31:51SPEAKERbut I feel like there's something beneficial

31:53SPEAKERto having tactile controls in a car

31:55SPEAKERwhere you want to keep your eyes on the road.

31:57SPEAKERAs the cars get smarter and drive themselves more,

31:59SPEAKERthat's less important.

32:00SPEAKERBut this car very clearly still has a wheel and pedals,

32:03SPEAKERthe shifter.

32:05SPEAKER- What would you say the aspect is on these screens?

32:08SPEAKERThey're very wide.

32:08SPEAKER- Some of them will look like they're like 30 to one.

32:10SPEAKERYeah, 29 by one or something like that.

32:13SPEAKER- There are basically three extremely wide screens

32:15SPEAKERacross the entire dash of this car.

32:19SPEAKERAnd then instead of side mirrors,

32:21SPEAKERthey use cameras with two side screens.

32:24SPEAKER- I've often thought that the thing

32:26SPEAKERyou really want to add to your rear view,

32:29SPEAKERyour ability to glance at the space around you

32:31SPEAKERand see if it's safe to change lanes or move

32:33SPEAKERis some latency.

32:34SPEAKER- And potentially a point of failure.

32:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:38SPEAKER- The mirrors don't tend to stop working spontaneously.

32:41SPEAKER- I mean, have you seen one of the cars

32:43SPEAKERthat takes the cameras, the wide angle cameras

32:46SPEAKERaround the car and then builds a top-down picture of it

32:49SPEAKERfor like when you're parallel parking so you can see,

32:51SPEAKERit like shows you a picture of what the car looks like?

32:53SPEAKER- Interesting.

32:54SPEAKER- So Chevy bolts do this and I think the i3 does maybe,

32:57SPEAKERI can't remember, but basically it sensor fusions

33:01SPEAKERall these cameras and de-warps them

33:03SPEAKERand then builds a perspective correct top-down image

33:05SPEAKERof the car in the actual environment,

33:08SPEAKERnot just like a representation.

33:10SPEAKER- That's cool.

33:10SPEAKER- So that you can see yourself back in and stuff like that.

33:13SPEAKERI think that's maybe more useful

33:15SPEAKERthan cameras in rear view mirrors.

33:17SPEAKER- Is that presentation good enough that you could look

33:18SPEAKERjust at that and parallel park effectively?

33:20SPEAKER- It explicitly says not to do that,

33:23SPEAKERbut yes, you can 100% look at just that.

33:25SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

33:27SPEAKERThis thing's cool, I mean, it's neat to look at

33:29SPEAKERand from a car of the future kind of standpoint,

33:31SPEAKERbut you know, again, it's not coming to market.

33:34SPEAKER- No, I mean, this is the like,

33:38SPEAKERthe interesting thing about this to me

33:40SPEAKERis that I think that this is probably indicative

33:42SPEAKERof what's gonna happen with electric cars

33:44SPEAKERbecause they are close and like, it sounds goofy to say,

33:47SPEAKERbut they're closer to consumer electronics

33:48SPEAKERin terms of mechanical complexity.

33:50SPEAKER- Sure.

33:50SPEAKER- That you can, like, you could just buy a drive train

33:55SPEAKERand like Apple could buy a drive train from Tesla

33:58SPEAKERand put their own chassis and their own electronics,

34:00SPEAKERtheir own internal packages on that.

34:02SPEAKERAnd I don't, like I don't think it's out of the question

34:06SPEAKERthat there will be OEMs that just sell

34:08SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

34:09SPEAKER- electric car bits.

34:11SPEAKER- Huh.

34:12SPEAKER- Probably not to the point that like you can go to,

34:14SPEAKERyou know, car part builder and part together your own car.

34:18SPEAKER- You're not gonna go on Newegg and order a drive train.

34:20SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause there's regulatory stuff

34:22SPEAKERthat you would not be able to do.

34:23SPEAKERBut like, I don't think it's out of the,

34:25SPEAKERlike the number of moving parts in electric car

34:28SPEAKERare really low, it's like electric motors,

34:30SPEAKERmaybe some cooling for the batteries,

34:31SPEAKERheating for the batteries,

34:33SPEAKERclimate control and stuff for the center, for the cabin.

34:36SPEAKERAnd then that's kind of,

34:36SPEAKERand then the steering mechanisms and braking mechanisms.

34:40SPEAKER- Do you think it could ever get to the point

34:41SPEAKERwhere like large parts of the car are made at,

34:44SPEAKERlike the parts are standardized in terms of like size and

34:48SPEAKER- Or do you think Ford and Toyota

34:50SPEAKERwill have the same chassis specs

34:51SPEAKERso you can just pick a Ford chassis off and bolt the, wow.

34:54SPEAKER- Like I'm really straining the analogy here,

34:56SPEAKERbut what I'm actually thinking of

34:57SPEAKERis like the old school head unit.

35:01SPEAKER- For the sound system?

35:02SPEAKER- The mini den.

35:03SPEAKER- Right, which is like all standard, right?

35:05SPEAKERLike that plug and that size, that space,

35:08SPEAKERthat slot is a standard thing.

35:09SPEAKER- They're standards for everything.

35:11SPEAKER- Right, so I wonder if like electric cars

35:13SPEAKERcould get to the point where they're,

35:14SPEAKERlike you so simplified

35:16SPEAKERthat you can just kind of make some match parts.

35:17SPEAKER- Like a PCI express equivalent for car.

35:20SPEAKERMaybe, anything's possible.

35:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:23SPEAKER- I mean, it makes, there's something about making things

35:27SPEAKERto the same size so that all the parts are interchangeable

35:30SPEAKERthat makes them much less expensive.

35:32SPEAKER'Cause you know, you build one factory

35:34SPEAKERand you've built them all, right?

35:35SPEAKER- Sure.

35:36SPEAKER- I don't know, I am conceptually very interested in this.

35:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it's neat to think about.

35:42SPEAKERReal quick, before we move on,

35:43SPEAKERI mean, you've been around the Valley for years.

35:45SPEAKER- I have.

35:46SPEAKER- Is the Apple car, has the Apple car ever been real

35:48SPEAKERto any significant extent?

35:49SPEAKER- I know, I like.

35:50SPEAKER- You've never heard any rumblings?

35:51SPEAKER- I have heard about the other things

35:53SPEAKERthat have been rumblings.

35:54SPEAKERI've heard, I know of people

35:56SPEAKERwho are working on black box projects at Apple

35:59SPEAKERthat go to work at Apple

36:00SPEAKERand then just disappear for like four years.

36:03SPEAKERI don't know any of the,

36:04SPEAKERI didn't know any of the car people well enough to know

36:05SPEAKERif they were car people that disappeared like that.

36:08SPEAKERI know that there's like a bunch of AR and VR people

36:11SPEAKERthat disappeared into Apple and haven't come back.

36:13SPEAKERSo presumably, you know, that indicates to me

36:17SPEAKERthat Apple AR glasses are probably real.

36:19SPEAKERI wouldn't be in a position to know on cars.

36:22SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause this really kind of came out of nowhere.

36:24SPEAKER- Like it's like the TV.

36:26SPEAKERRemember there was supposedly Apple was making a monitor

36:28SPEAKERthat had an Apple TV built in

36:30SPEAKERand then it turns out they just sell the software to LG

36:33SPEAKERand people who are in the TV, like.

36:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw, like I feel like the TV announcements

36:38SPEAKERwere pretty bland this year.

36:40SPEAKERIt was a lot of very iterative stuff.

36:41SPEAKER- Yeah. - It was pretty predictable,

36:42SPEAKERbut I did see a number of models that say they quote unquote

36:45SPEAKERhave Apple TV in them.

36:46SPEAKER- So that started,

36:47SPEAKERthat was one of the big things that came out last year

36:49SPEAKERwas Apple licensed to LG, Sony, Samsung,

36:53SPEAKERall the big vendors.

36:55SPEAKERAnd they said, look, here's the hardware you have to have

36:57SPEAKERto provide something that's viable.

37:00SPEAKERAnd those TVs support air,

37:01SPEAKERlike my dad has a Vizio TV in his living room

37:04SPEAKERthat supports AirPlay and you can get Apple TVs,

37:06SPEAKERlike you can watch your iTunes stuff on it.

37:08SPEAKER- So did you get a front end that looks like the front end

37:10SPEAKERon a real Apple TV at that point?

37:11SPEAKER- No, so then the Apple TV becomes one store

37:17SPEAKERin your other front end.

37:18SPEAKER- Okay.

37:19SPEAKER- But like AirPlay works any,

37:21SPEAKERlike you can AirPlay stuff from your phone,

37:22SPEAKERlike any Apple TV.

37:24SPEAKER- Okay.

37:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, I was surprised at how well that worked.

37:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:30SPEAKER- Samsung's eight terabyte external SSD.

37:33SPEAKER- Let's see, I think that's SanDisk.

37:34SPEAKER- Sorry, SanDisk.

37:35SPEAKER- Samsung's got the other one.

37:36SPEAKER- Samsung made one with a fingerprint reader, yeah.

37:39SPEAKER- Yeah, eight terabyte SSD.

37:41SPEAKER- I mean, it turns out you can make an SSD

37:43SPEAKERas big as you want if you own the,

37:45SPEAKERif you design the boards

37:46SPEAKERand just keep slapping memory chips on there.

37:47SPEAKER- And you call it a prototype

37:48SPEAKERand don't expect to actually sell it anytime soon.

37:51SPEAKER- That seems like a 2021 or 2022 product.

37:54SPEAKER- Maybe late 2020.

37:55SPEAKER- I think, is four terabytes still the biggest on the market

37:58SPEAKERor there might be six?

37:59SPEAKER- There's probably stuff in enterprise that's way bigger,

38:01SPEAKERbut I mean, in terms of consumer.

38:02SPEAKER- For normal consumer.

38:03SPEAKER- You can get your hands on and you can.

38:05SPEAKER- You can get four terabytes.

38:07SPEAKERThe sweet spot for price to size right now is two terabytes,

38:10SPEAKERit seems like.

38:11SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:12SPEAKER- 'Cause you can get those for under 10 cents a gigabyte.

38:14SPEAKER- Okay, last I checked, I think a four terabyte SSD

38:16SPEAKERwill still run you like $500.

38:18SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems right.

38:20SPEAKERThat's still, I mean, that's, look, I feel like,

38:24SPEAKERI could live on a two terabyte drive

38:26SPEAKERas my primary computer right now, pretty comfortably.

38:28SPEAKER- Sure.

38:29SPEAKER- Without having even a spinning desk, maybe.

38:32SPEAKERI'd have to manage that.

38:33SPEAKERYou wouldn't install Call of Duty

38:35SPEAKERand Destiny at the same time.

38:36SPEAKER- Probably not, yeah.

38:38SPEAKERAnd you know, if you, let's say you have some sort

38:40SPEAKERof network attached storage, perhaps.

38:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:43SPEAKER- That would make that a lot easier.

38:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:44SPEAKER- To not have a bunch of drives in your PC.

38:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:47SPEAKER- I got excited seeing this because I am.

38:49SPEAKER- Your dream?

38:50SPEAKER- I'm very eager to get to a point

38:52SPEAKERwhere we can run a NAS with SSDs instead of platter drives.

38:56SPEAKER'Cause I feel like that is the biggest fear

38:58SPEAKERabout long-term data storage is having hard drives fail.

39:00SPEAKER- So.

39:01SPEAKER- And once you remove the mechanical failure aspect

39:03SPEAKERof that equation, it gets a lot less scary.

39:04SPEAKER- Don't start ripping 4K Blu-rays then, is my advice.

39:09SPEAKER- Okay.

39:10SPEAKER- 'Cause those are like 45 gigs each.

39:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:13SPEAKER- Even if you compress the shit out of them with H.265.

39:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:16SPEAKERBut that just seems like we're getting closer to that.

39:18SPEAKER- Probably, yeah.

39:19SPEAKER- The SSD sizes, I feel like are really inflating rapidly.

39:24SPEAKER- I mean, the 3D NAND stuff that Intel and Micron,

39:27SPEAKERI think announced a few years ago is in full production now

39:30SPEAKERand it seems to be really increasing density a lot.

39:33SPEAKERSo yeah, I mean, I think that stuff won't be on M2 drives,

39:36SPEAKERbut that's fine 'cause like for storage.

39:39SPEAKER- Yeah, you don't need super high performance for just.

39:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm fine with plugging into SATA 6, it's fine.

39:44SPEAKER- Largely static storage.

39:46SPEAKERHow far off do you think we are from hard drives

39:47SPEAKERnot really being widely available anymore, 10 years?

39:51SPEAKER- I think that they'll continue to be important

39:53SPEAKERfor data centers for a really long time.

39:54SPEAKER- Okay.

39:56SPEAKER- I don't know what the state of the art

39:58SPEAKERon hard drive tech is.

40:00SPEAKERLike I know that they've pushed through limits,

40:02SPEAKERlike theoretical max limits a couple of times

40:04SPEAKERby like doing things like changing the bits

40:07SPEAKERfrom a horizontal orientation parallel with the platter

40:10SPEAKERto perpendicular to the platter.

40:11SPEAKERSo they're, 'cause you know, the actual,

40:13SPEAKERturns out the actual bits have a three-dimensional shape

40:16SPEAKERthat's kind of like, it's kind of like a pill capsule.

40:19SPEAKER- So you stand them on their end

40:19SPEAKERbecause they can fit more of them on there.

40:21SPEAKER- Yeah, you stand them on your end

40:21SPEAKERand you get way more in there.

40:26SPEAKERBut yeah, I don't know.

40:27SPEAKERI feel like, I mean, I feel like the amount of data

40:30SPEAKERthat we generate as a species requires spinning platters

40:33SPEAKERfor a while. - Maybe so.

40:35SPEAKER- Like, well, yeah, I mean, if you think about it,

40:36SPEAKERwe've gone from generating a couple of petabytes a year

40:38SPEAKERto thousands of exabytes a year over the last two decades.

40:42SPEAKER- Do we really need to keep all of that?

40:44SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's a larger question,

40:47SPEAKERbut if you go through and start deleting my baby pictures,

40:51SPEAKERI'm probably gonna be pretty upset with you, Google.

40:52SPEAKER- That's fair, yeah, that's fair.

40:54SPEAKER- Should we talk about this Intel GPU?

40:56SPEAKER- Sure.

40:57SPEAKER- I almost put this in stuff that isn't real.

40:59SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause there's not a lot of detail to go on.

41:01SPEAKER- Well, so it's called the DG1.

41:04SPEAKERIt's a discrete GPU.

41:05SPEAKERIt's the second.

41:06SPEAKERSo Intel, about every decade, goes through the,

41:10SPEAKER"Hey, we need to make a discrete GPU phase,"

41:12SPEAKERstarting in the late '90s, post 3D effects.

41:16SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about that a little bit

41:17SPEAKERon the free tracing episode.

41:18SPEAKER- Yeah, they did Larrabee in the middle 2000s.

41:21SPEAKERNow we're back at it again.

41:23SPEAKER- Right on schedule.

41:24SPEAKER- Right on schedule.

41:25SPEAKERAnd this, from what I can tell,

41:29SPEAKERI read Gordon Mong's article at PC World,

41:31SPEAKERwhich seemed to be the best of the ones that I saw.

41:35SPEAKERHe said they gave no details about what the internals are.

41:39SPEAKERAll they said is it's basically the same GPU

41:42SPEAKERthat's gonna be in their 10-nanometer CPUs,

41:46SPEAKERpresumably coming later this year.

41:48SPEAKER- Yeah, the Tiger Lake, I believe.

41:49SPEAKER- Tiger Lake, yeah.

41:50SPEAKER- So that'll be the next generation of,

41:53SPEAKERlike we're on 9900 now.

41:55SPEAKER- Yeah, and this is 10x.

41:57SPEAKER- However people want to pronounce that,

41:58SPEAKERthe 10900K. - 10999, yes, whatever.

42:02SPEAKER- Whatever the next gen is.

42:04SPEAKER- And so, as always with Intel GPUs,

42:08SPEAKERthey run the same GPU core on each CPU die,

42:10SPEAKERand the ones that are on ultra lightweight laptops

42:14SPEAKERhas a very, very small amount of space dedicated to that.

42:17SPEAKERAnd the one that's in a desktop processor

42:18SPEAKERhas a lot of space dedicated to that.

42:19SPEAKERSo you get varying performance

42:21SPEAKERbased on the power requirements of the platform.

42:24SPEAKERBut I think the goal with this Tiger Lake GPU

42:28SPEAKERis to, they're always trying to be competent

42:32SPEAKERat mass market for games.

42:33SPEAKERSo things like Fortnite, in the old days,

42:35SPEAKERthey were always targeting StarCraft II and Minecraft

42:37SPEAKERand stuff like that.

42:38SPEAKERNow it's gonna be Fortnite and Overwatch,

42:41SPEAKERand I don't know, what do people play?

42:44SPEAKERWhat are the big multiplayer games?

42:45SPEAKERProbably not PUBG, because it's kind of a hog.

42:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:50SPEAKERI'm trying to think what besides Fortnite and Overwatch,

42:52SPEAKERlike those kind of-- - Oh, Apex Legends probably.

42:53SPEAKER- Apex, yeah, I mean Minecraft.

42:54SPEAKER- It's pretty lightweight.

42:56SPEAKERYeah, maybe Siege, stuff like that.

42:58SPEAKER- Sure. - Stuff that people play

43:00SPEAKERin large quantities. - Yes.

43:02SPEAKER- Do you have a sense of like,

43:03SPEAKERdoes the GPU in a 9900K right now

43:06SPEAKERrun Fortnite acceptably well?

43:08SPEAKER- I only know about that in terms of what you can do on VR,

43:12SPEAKER'cause I'm always looking for a smaller, lighter laptop

43:16SPEAKERthat will run VR, so I can do demos.

43:19SPEAKERNone of the Intel GPUs have run VR stuff.

43:21SPEAKER- Really? - With any reliability.

43:22SPEAKER- So still a ways to go, though.

43:24SPEAKER- I mean, one of the things that I was told early on

43:26SPEAKERwith this generation of GPU is that they were targeting VR.

43:29SPEAKERSo min spec VR, so things that will run on your Oculus

43:36SPEAKERwith a 970 type graphics card.

43:39SPEAKERSo which also opens the door to pretty much everything

43:42SPEAKERthat ships for PS4 and Xbox One, stuff like that.

43:46SPEAKERSo like it's, I mean, potentially interesting.

43:48SPEAKERThis is the developer board.

43:50SPEAKER- Yeah, like I was gonna ask, I mean,

43:51SPEAKERdoes this even read to you like this is gonna result

43:53SPEAKERin an on the shelf?

43:55SPEAKER- I would be shocked.

43:56SPEAKER- PCIe card?

43:57SPEAKER- No, this is, they're giving this to developers

43:59SPEAKERso that they have them in the pipeline early enough

44:02SPEAKERthat people can be aware, like put this into their testing

44:06SPEAKERfor games that are upcoming.

44:07SPEAKER- Okay, so Intel graphics cards right next to AMD

44:10SPEAKERand Nvidia are not gonna happen anytime soon?

44:12SPEAKER- I would be surprised.

44:13SPEAKER- On store shelves?

44:14SPEAKER- Look, the reason they do this is 'cause they don't have

44:16SPEAKERthe CPUs ready to ship now.

44:18SPEAKER- Okay, okay, it's just a development sample, basically.

44:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it's cheap.

44:22SPEAKERWell, if you think about it, it's cheaper for everybody.

44:24SPEAKERLike if I'm a developer, I don't wanna have to spin up

44:26SPEAKERan extra, like if they send me a motherboard and a CPU,

44:29SPEAKERI'd much rather have just a video card I can drop

44:31SPEAKERinto one of the other 45 million test machines I have.

44:34SPEAKER- Sure.

44:36SPEAKER- So, yeah.

44:37SPEAKER- All right, so maybe nothing to get super excited about.

44:39SPEAKER- I don't think it's, I would be very surprised

44:42SPEAKERif these are on store shelves in Best Buy.

44:44SPEAKERThe one thing that was interesting out of this, though,

44:45SPEAKERis that they're talking about potentially letting you use

44:49SPEAKERintegrated and discrete together.

44:50SPEAKERSo maybe they will ship one as like a--

44:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw, I think it was Tom's Hardware

44:53SPEAKERwas speculating about that.

44:54SPEAKER- Oh yeah, then, okay, nevermind.

44:55SPEAKER(laughing)

44:56SPEAKER- Ooh.

44:57SPEAKER- Sorry, Tom's Hardware burn.

44:58SPEAKER- Some speculation I saw, yeah, that like,

45:00SPEAKERwell, but again, that would require you to have to--

45:02SPEAKER- To have an external card.

45:03SPEAKER- Have one of these cards, so that may not happen, so.

45:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:06SPEAKER- Who knows, it's weird to bring a product to CES

45:09SPEAKERand barely say anything about it, but--

45:11SPEAKER- Well, but you gotta get out for developers.

45:13SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:14SPEAKER- Like, this is, they spend--

45:16SPEAKER- Sorry, it's the consumer electronics?

45:18SPEAKER- They spend a lot of money on those booths,

45:20SPEAKERso they gotta have some stuff that gets pressed.

45:22SPEAKER- Developer outreach is important, yes.

45:24SPEAKER- Intel's one of the last of the huge, like,

45:26SPEAKERPC companies that's still there.

45:28SPEAKER- Really?

45:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:30SPEAKER'Cause like, Microsoft hasn't been at CES

45:32SPEAKERin five years, seven years, something like that.

45:34SPEAKER- Huh.

45:35SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, there used to be Intel and Microsoft

45:37SPEAKERwere right next to each other, and then Microsoft went away,

45:41SPEAKERand then it's always been like some Chinese TV company

45:43SPEAKERor phone company or something there, yeah.

45:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:45SPEAKERIs AMD there, or did this announcement just do--

45:47SPEAKER- I think they just have it around it.

45:49SPEAKERThey often, they may be there, I don't know.

45:51SPEAKER- Like, I saw an interview from their CEOs, Lisa Sue,

45:55SPEAKERis that right?

45:56SPEAKER- Yes, that's correct.

45:56SPEAKER- She was saying that the Zen 3 stuff

45:58SPEAKERis going to be out there this year.

46:00SPEAKER- What is Zen 3, Brian?

46:01SPEAKER- Zen 3 is the next, well, we talked about it last week,

46:03SPEAKERit's their next generation microarchitecture.

46:05SPEAKER- For CPUs?

46:06SPEAKER- For CPUs, all the current Ryzen chips are on Zen 2.

46:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's the chiplet design and all that stuff, right?

46:11SPEAKER- Right, yeah, it's like the internals of the chip itself,

46:13SPEAKERyou know, the logic and how it processes instructions

46:16SPEAKERand stuff like that.

46:17SPEAKER- It's interesting--

46:17SPEAKER- The rumors, real quick, the rumors,

46:20SPEAKERand again, these are rumors, who knows how valid they are,

46:22SPEAKERbut they were saying that on an instruction per clock basis,

46:25SPEAKERthere are gonna be performance gains of like 15 to 20%

46:27SPEAKERwith the Zen 3 stuff. - Oh, wow, which is big?

46:29SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's a big deal.

46:30SPEAKER- Yeah, that's like in terms of--

46:32SPEAKER- Especially for games, because my understanding

46:34SPEAKERis the games are still not as multi-threaded

46:36SPEAKERas you might think they should be at this point.

46:38SPEAKER- Well, so does that mean they're doing a deeper pipeline?

46:40SPEAKER- I don't know, I didn't read into like

46:42SPEAKERwhere those gains are coming from.

46:43SPEAKER- Huh, that's it, that's it.

46:45SPEAKER- It sounds very substantial.

46:46SPEAKER- Well, so the thing that's interesting about AMD

46:48SPEAKERis usually the places that they've really blown up

46:51SPEAKERand had massive success, like with the original Athlon

46:53SPEAKERand the K6 and stuff like that,

46:55SPEAKERare when Intel hits the limits of a process technology,

46:58SPEAKER'cause Intel's secret sauce is hey,

47:00SPEAKERwe're just gonna make it smaller and use less power

47:02SPEAKERand then make it faster.

47:05SPEAKERWhereas AMD is often beaking more parallel

47:08SPEAKERor doing more instructions per clock or whatever.

47:11SPEAKERAnd Intel is reaching, the 10 nanometers is approaching

47:15SPEAKERthe end of what we can do with process tech

47:16SPEAKERas we understand it right now.

47:19SPEAKER- Well, most everybody else is on seven now.

47:22SPEAKER- I mean, Intel's deliberately been slowing their push down.

47:26SPEAKER- Do they do all their own fabrication?

47:28SPEAKER- I believe so. - Okay.

47:29SPEAKER- I believe they own their own fabs.

47:30SPEAKER- That maybe has something to do with it?

47:33SPEAKER- I mean, yeah, but if like TSMC has seven nanometer fabs

47:35SPEAKERand Intel will have seven nanometer fabs,

47:37SPEAKERthey might just be using them for something.

47:38SPEAKERThey might be using for enterprise or something else

47:40SPEAKERwhere there's like more money than consumer market.

47:43SPEAKERI don't know about that.

47:44SPEAKERThe thing I was gonna say is that the, yeah,

47:48SPEAKERlike AMD is in a position where with their chiplet design,

47:51SPEAKERmoving away from the monolithic chip

47:53SPEAKERhas given them a big advantage in flexibility

47:55SPEAKERand like binning so they can get, they can put more

47:58SPEAKERof the more performant chips cores on one chip

48:02SPEAKERand that gives them a big advantage.

48:04SPEAKER- What are, I'm trying to think like outside

48:05SPEAKERof like the workstation context,

48:07SPEAKERlike what are some consumer oriented workloads

48:09SPEAKERthat a CPU with that many threads relevant to you?

48:13SPEAKERYeah, I mean, even that is not really consumer level.

48:16SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know.

48:17SPEAKER- I don't know, high performance level.

48:18SPEAKER- Well. - Like streaming,

48:20SPEAKERI mean, I guess the classic example is like,

48:21SPEAKERhey, you can run a game and stream it at a high bit rate

48:23SPEAKERand not feel any performance like that or let's say

48:27SPEAKERyou're running handbrake every night,

48:28SPEAKERcrunching a bunch of Blu-rays or something,

48:30SPEAKERlike there are some applications for it,

48:31SPEAKERbut like some of these super high end thread rippers,

48:34SPEAKERit's just like, I can't think of a use case

48:36SPEAKERfor that on a home desktop.

48:38SPEAKER- Well, but so if you do, if you're like a photographer,

48:41SPEAKERit's all, it's gonna be for niche home use, right?

48:44SPEAKERIt's gonna be people who are into making videos

48:45SPEAKERor people who are into doing animation

48:47SPEAKERor people who are into like photography even.

48:50SPEAKERLike if you look at the math that happens

48:52SPEAKERon like the de-noising algorithms and stuff like that,

48:54SPEAKERthat you run on a modern, even on like a DSLR photo,

48:57SPEAKERthose are intense, I mean, it'll take a while

48:59SPEAKERto run them on 10,000 photos.

49:01SPEAKERLike right now, a lot of video houses workload

49:04SPEAKERfor like people who do YouTube videos

49:06SPEAKERand stuff like we do, like you do at Giant Bomb,

49:08SPEAKERis you, I mean, you guys don't do a ton of edited stuff,

49:11SPEAKERbut when you do edited stuff, there's a moment

49:14SPEAKERwhere you walk away and hit the button

49:15SPEAKERand you walk away for an hour.

49:16SPEAKER- Massive amount of render time.

49:17SPEAKER- Yeah, and then you come back and it's done.

49:19SPEAKERAnd if that hour goes to 25 seconds, right?

49:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a big deal.

49:23SPEAKERBut again, that's not an end user

49:26SPEAKERor like a home application necessarily.

49:28SPEAKERThat's what I was getting at.

49:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't--

49:30SPEAKER- Outside of like heavy media work,

49:31SPEAKERI can't think of a lot of reason

49:32SPEAKERfor the average person at home to--

49:34SPEAKER- I don't think there has to be a--

49:35SPEAKER- To need 32 cores.

49:37SPEAKER- No, but there, I mean, there isn't,

49:39SPEAKERlook, do we need eight cores?

49:40SPEAKERNo, we need two cores, really, most people.

49:43SPEAKER- Sure. - Four is nice.

49:45SPEAKERYeah, like I don't, I think we're at a point now

49:47SPEAKERwhere the hardware is out there

49:49SPEAKERand it's up to developers to figure out what to do with it.

49:51SPEAKER- Sure, that's fair.

49:53SPEAKER- I mean, I think we're gonna see a lot of that

49:54SPEAKERwith the next console generation too,

49:55SPEAKERsince they have eight cores now.

49:56SPEAKER- Yeah, well, these current ones have eight-ish

50:00SPEAKERor like seven, I think.

50:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but they were--

50:02SPEAKER- But they're crappy CPUs that--

50:04SPEAKER- Yeah, they were low capability.

50:07SPEAKER- Like the ones on the new ones

50:08SPEAKERare like actual real big boy CPUs.

50:11SPEAKER- You think, I think that's probably,

50:12SPEAKERI mean, hey, Sony unveiled the PS5 logo.

50:14SPEAKER- They sure did.

50:16SPEAKER- Looks like a logo.

50:16SPEAKERIt's just like the PS4 logo with a five and stuff before.

50:18SPEAKER- I don't know about that choice of five, to be honest.

50:20SPEAKER- You think so?

50:21SPEAKER- I don't know if they've had this font

50:22SPEAKERthat they've been sitting on for 25 years

50:24SPEAKERand that this is just the time for the five to shine.

50:27SPEAKER- I thought they should have made

50:27SPEAKERthe five look like the backwards S.

50:29SPEAKER- Right, that's kind of how I was hoping

50:30SPEAKERthat it was a little bit too angular.

50:33SPEAKERIt doesn't fit.

50:34SPEAKER- Brad, I think we should shut down the podcast.

50:36SPEAKERWe should open a branding design studio, consulting studio.

50:39SPEAKERLook, everything looks weird when you see it the first time

50:42SPEAKERand in like three months, we're not gonna notice anymore.

50:44SPEAKER- Yes.

50:44SPEAKER- You're gonna do some predictions for 2020s?

50:46SPEAKER- I guess, sure.

50:48SPEAKER- I was thinking about this

50:49SPEAKER'cause you suggested this the other day

50:51SPEAKERand I was like, man, there's so much.

50:54SPEAKERI just looked around my office and I was like,

50:56SPEAKERthere's 15 things in here

50:58SPEAKERthat I never could have predicted Beat Saber in 2010.

51:02SPEAKERI never even thought VR would be real in 20.

51:04SPEAKERLike I didn't think there was any chance

51:06SPEAKERwe would see anything like VR in 2010.

51:08SPEAKERSo yeah.

51:11SPEAKER- Gosh, like what are the big trends right now?

51:13SPEAKER- Space, going to space is getting cheap.

51:15SPEAKER- I guess so.

51:16SPEAKER- VR seems to be leading to AR.

51:18SPEAKER- I feel like the public private split on space,

51:21SPEAKERI hesitate to call it space exploration,

51:22SPEAKERbut it's more like space industry, I guess.

51:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:25SPEAKER- Like I feel like that balance hasn't been figured out yet.

51:27SPEAKER- No, not at all.

51:28SPEAKER- We're still in the formative stages

51:30SPEAKERof like, oh, private companies are doing

51:31SPEAKERwhat the government is not willing to fund right now.

51:34SPEAKER- Well, except for the government is also funding them.

51:36SPEAKER- But then yes, they're still getting, yes.

51:37SPEAKER- You know, like SpaceX is the number one contractor.

51:40SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

51:42SPEAKERSo for me, like if you could spend 50 grand

51:45SPEAKERand that would take you, that would give you

51:46SPEAKERa couple of orbits.

51:48SPEAKER- I don't know, man, that's a lot of money.

51:50SPEAKER- But you get to go to space.

51:52SPEAKERWhat if you could go to 50 grand,

51:53SPEAKERyou could stay there for two weeks, have a little vacation.

51:56SPEAKER- Maybe.

51:57SPEAKER- Go to the space beach. - Sure.

51:58SPEAKER- I don't know, I'm really kind of up in the air

52:03SPEAKERon the future of a lot of stuff.

52:05SPEAKER- I feel pessimistic about the coming decade.

52:08SPEAKER- Well, okay, so there was a thing that came out last week

52:11SPEAKERwe didn't talk about, I don't think,

52:13SPEAKERbut it was about sulfur, somebody figured out

52:15SPEAKERhow to make sulfur diodes in lithium batteries,

52:18SPEAKERwhich increases the capacity for energy storage a lot,

52:20SPEAKERbut it's been challenging because the sulfur anodes

52:24SPEAKERshrink and contract like 70% in the course of charging

52:27SPEAKERand discharging and that makes the battery

52:29SPEAKERstructurally unsound, which is problematic.

52:31SPEAKERI think we're gonna see, we've seen enough of these

52:34SPEAKERlike theoretical breakthroughs that haven't turned

52:36SPEAKERinto real breakthroughs that I think probably one of them

52:38SPEAKERwill hit and is manufacturable in the next decade.

52:41SPEAKER- Sure, I think the idea of, I think in 10 years

52:43SPEAKERthe idea of plugging your phone into charge every night

52:46SPEAKERis gonna seem quaint.

52:47SPEAKER- I could, yeah, I could definitely say that.

52:48SPEAKERYeah, I'm sure there will be some pretty major like--

52:52SPEAKER- There's a prediction right there.

52:53SPEAKER- Low level tech breakthroughs that will change

52:55SPEAKERpeople's lifestyles in positive ways.

52:57SPEAKER- I also think that HP is into web OS for the long haul.

53:01SPEAKER- Okay.

53:02SPEAKER- I think they're gonna bring that back

53:03SPEAKERand we're gonna see, this is gonna be the decade

53:05SPEAKERthat web OS starts to challenge iOS and Android.

53:07SPEAKER- You still to this day hear a lot of people

53:09SPEAKERsay glowing things about web OS.

53:11SPEAKER- I had a touch pad.

53:12SPEAKER- It's the, it's on every LG TV.

53:14SPEAKER- I still have a touch pad around here somewhere.

53:16SPEAKERIt's got web OS on it.

53:17SPEAKER- Great piece of hardware.

53:17SPEAKER- Right now.

53:19SPEAKER- Web OS drives LG TVs.

53:21SPEAKER- Okay, still out there in some form.

53:22SPEAKER- That's my number two prediction.

53:24SPEAKER- I think the main thing I felt pessimistic about

53:27SPEAKERis the potential for widespread

53:29SPEAKERand convincing digital fakery.

53:31SPEAKER- I think that's a real problem.

53:31SPEAKER- Like that's the thing I'm worried about

53:33SPEAKERmaybe more than anything.

53:34SPEAKER- I think the fact that major social platforms

53:37SPEAKERhave come out and said, hey, we are fine with political ads

53:39SPEAKERto use deepfakes, we're not gonna ban those.

53:42SPEAKER- Yeah, well that, I mean, that's just--

53:43SPEAKER- That's problematic.

53:44SPEAKER- That's just pure policy.

53:45SPEAKERYou know, I'm talking more about like deepfake stuff

53:47SPEAKERbecoming alarmingly effective.

53:51SPEAKER- Here's a prediction.

53:52SPEAKERI think that this next decade is going to be defined

53:55SPEAKERby policy slamming up against technology.

53:58SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

53:59SPEAKER- I think that's gonna be the big,

54:01SPEAKERmore than technological progress.

54:02SPEAKERI think figuring out how this interacts with society

54:05SPEAKERin a way that doesn't destroy society

54:06SPEAKERis gonna be really important.

54:07SPEAKER- Yes, that's probably a safe bet.

54:11SPEAKERYeah, it made me wonder if like there will be a,

54:13SPEAKERI don't know, some kind of large scale investment

54:14SPEAKERin like green technologies or specifically technologies

54:17SPEAKERthat designed to counteract kind of the existing forces.

54:20SPEAKER- You mean like anti--

54:22SPEAKER- Like carbon scrubbing.

54:23SPEAKER- Like carbon sinks.

54:23SPEAKER- Yeah, stuff like that.

54:25SPEAKERBut that, you know, that obviously depends on which way

54:27SPEAKERthe political winds are blowing.

54:28SPEAKER- Well, what was it?

54:29SPEAKERThere was an article a couple of weeks ago that was like,

54:31SPEAKERlook, if we spent $600 billion on this right now,

54:33SPEAKERwe can solve this problem in the next 10 years,

54:36SPEAKERwhich would involve taxing the top 1%,

54:38SPEAKERan extra 2% or something.

54:40SPEAKER- Yeah, tough choices really.

54:42SPEAKER- Really gotta wave.

54:43SPEAKER- It's impossible to decide.

54:45SPEAKER- Pros and cons of that one.

54:47SPEAKER- I think we're probably gonna see AR glasses

54:50SPEAKERas a real thing in the next decade.

54:52SPEAKER- I saw, I think it was Panasonic

54:54SPEAKERbrought a pair of VR glasses to CES.

54:56SPEAKER- Oh, the goggles?

54:57SPEAKERThe ones that look like goggles?

54:58SPEAKER- They look like futuristic steampunk goggles,

55:00SPEAKERbut my understanding is they are standard VR.

55:03SPEAKER- So those were for commercial use, right?

55:05SPEAKER- I'm not sure.

55:06SPEAKERIt's not a consumer product.

55:07SPEAKER- I think it may have been a prototype.

55:09SPEAKERThey're not on the market.

55:10SPEAKER- So I've seen goggles like that in the past

55:12SPEAKERthat were like hand-built prototypes.

55:14SPEAKERThe problem with those that don't have the unified hole

55:19SPEAKERis getting the FOV right,

55:21SPEAKERso it doesn't feel like you're looking down a tube.

55:23SPEAKER- The write-up did say that they had a very limited field

55:25SPEAKERof view compared to the actual headsets on the market.

55:27SPEAKER- Yeah, whereas we've seen the FOVs

55:30SPEAKERgetting wider and wider.

55:31SPEAKERI think we're gonna see, on the VR front,

55:35SPEAKERI think that in the next couple of years,

55:37SPEAKERVR is going to very much be a hybrid headset

55:40SPEAKERwith a standalone processor that also can tether.

55:43SPEAKERWe already see that with the Quest,

55:44SPEAKERbut the Quest isn't super comfortable.

55:46SPEAKERI think we'll see, with the 5G, 6G wireless,

55:50SPEAKERwe'll see some more wireless implementations of that

55:52SPEAKERthat makes it a little more feasible.

55:55SPEAKER- All right, well, here we are.

55:56SPEAKERIt's a new decade.

55:58SPEAKER- So your prediction's just doom and gloom.

55:59SPEAKERIt's all over carbon sinks?

56:01SPEAKER- Yeah, pretty much.

56:02SPEAKER- You gotta have something better than that.

56:03SPEAKER- I saw an article.

56:04SPEAKERI wish I had saved it because I wasn't able

56:06SPEAKERto go back and refer to it again,

56:07SPEAKERbut there was an article the other day

56:08SPEAKERabout services coming online that can basically,

56:11SPEAKERthe example they gave was they can effectively use AI

56:13SPEAKERor machine learning or whatever it is to generate,

56:15SPEAKERlet's say, photographs of fashion model

56:19SPEAKERwith any combination of gender and ethnicity that you want,

56:22SPEAKERand they had a straight-up spread right there

56:23SPEAKERof the exact same photograph,

56:24SPEAKERjust like boom, boom, boom down the line.

56:26SPEAKERIt was just one generated face after another,

56:30SPEAKERand they were completely convincing,

56:31SPEAKERand again, the potential for political ramifications

56:35SPEAKERand the spread of misinformation and stuff

56:36SPEAKERbased on that sort of thing is just kind of horrifying.

56:38SPEAKER- Have we talked about the virtual influencers here yet?

56:41SPEAKER- No.

56:42SPEAKER- This is an Asia thing right now,

56:43SPEAKERbut they're trying to make it happen here.

56:45SPEAKERSo Hatsune Miku is kind of the prototype,

56:47SPEAKERbut she's a Vocaloid and not necessarily,

56:50SPEAKERthe virtual influencers are--

56:53SPEAKER- Oh, like the ones that are presented as actually humans,

56:55SPEAKERthat have Instagram accounts and are--

56:58SPEAKER- And they're just owned by some studio.

57:00SPEAKER- Visually indistinguishable from real people?

57:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:02SPEAKER- Yes, I have seen some of that stuff.

57:03SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a nightmare.

57:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so there you go, 2020, it's a nightmare.

57:08SPEAKER- Dismantle social media.

57:09SPEAKER- I think that's probably a good idea.

57:11SPEAKER- It's my platform.

57:12SPEAKER- I've been working on a bot for Twitter for a while

57:18SPEAKERthat's like a block all brands bot,

57:19SPEAKERso you just sign up for it

57:20SPEAKERand you hook it up to your Twitter account,

57:22SPEAKERand then it automatically blocks all brand accounts.

57:25SPEAKER- That seems good and necessary.

57:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems like it's a good thing, I don't know.

57:28SPEAKERAnyway. - Cheery.

57:30SPEAKER- Yeah, sorry to kick the decade off on the wrong foot.

57:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, everything seems like

57:39SPEAKERit's gonna be great, Brad.

57:40SPEAKER- Yeah, let's keep our fingers crossed.

57:42SPEAKER- We'll be back next week with another episode of Brad

57:46SPEAKERand Will Made a Tech Pod.

57:48SPEAKERWe'll do questions in probably not next week,

57:51SPEAKERnot the week after, but the week after that maybe?

57:54SPEAKER- Something like that?

57:55SPEAKER- Every three or four or five weeks, yeah.

57:57SPEAKER- It's our podcast, we can do whatever we want.

58:00SPEAKER- Next week we're gonna do questions, no answers.

58:02SPEAKERIt's just we're gonna read questions for two hours.

58:03SPEAKER- We're gonna ask you questions.

58:04SPEAKER- Yeah, we wanna know what you guys know.

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