15: Bob Iger Will Eat You

00:00SPEAKERlook brad but jesus wasn't born in zero what no maybe he was i don't know judeo christian

00:08SPEAKERit's confusing to me we have no historians on this podcast let's just look we're all students

00:13SPEAKERof history in some way shape or form but i could read the internet too look the y2k bug all i know

00:20SPEAKERis that the y2k bug happened in 2000 not 1999 the start of the new millennium was 2000 i couldn't

00:27SPEAKERcare less about the logistics of calendars yeah i care about the symbolic value of there being a

00:34SPEAKERtwo in the year now instead of a one you know what really confuses me centuries you know how people

00:39SPEAKERsay like the 18th century but they're talking about the 1900s i don't get that you just you

00:43SPEAKERjust add one but but why do you add one it seems i i guess the first century is the is the one

00:49SPEAKERfrom zero to 100 that's right yeah and then there you go oh god it's just it's uh i'm living at 20

00:55SPEAKERi'm a 20th century guy living in a 21st century world you're speaking the truth so can we agree

01:00SPEAKERit's a new decade yeah the math i just did the math it checks out okay decade starts on january

01:05SPEAKER1st 2020 we have uh let's see three days left in the second decade that's right we're planting our

01:12SPEAKERflag here it's about to be a new decade twitter contrarians need not apply we're making a complete

01:17SPEAKERlist of everything good in the last decade right here movies films books games or should we just

01:25SPEAKERlike talk about what how tech has changed maybe uh that's probably i'm not sure there was anything

01:29SPEAKERgood from this decade so maybe we should just stick with that

01:55SPEAKERso

02:01SPEAKERwelcome to another episode of brad and will make a tech pot i'm will i'm brad hey brad hi it's the

02:06SPEAKERend of the decade it is it's i feel like we made it 10 years of brad and will made a tech pot did

02:11SPEAKERwe make it can you believe we've been doing this for a whole decade now yeah that's let's just

02:15SPEAKERring in the new yeah but you know i think it's important when you you know reach an arbitrary

02:21SPEAKERend point that's it has no yes imagine symbolism yeah imagine symbol exactly uh to humans like to

02:27SPEAKERassign meaning where there otherwise is none yeah and you may have noticed it's good to take those

02:31SPEAKERmeanings and reflect on how things have actually changed in the preceding decennial it's a good

02:37SPEAKERtime to sit back and reflect at this uh i don't know hexadecimal um the metric system never really

02:46SPEAKERmade it over i can't um but but no for real like this has been a huge the pace of technologies

02:53SPEAKERadvance has been accelerating for the last four years i haven't actually considered it that way

02:58SPEAKERuntil you just said it out loud but absolutely like i feel like thinking back on let's say like

03:02SPEAKER1999 to 2009 yeah we were originally going to do that for this episode i think it got too broad

03:07SPEAKERreally yeah at first we were like well let's go back 10 years and then 20 years and yeah that's

03:11SPEAKERthat's too much but but thinking about what changed between 99 and 09 yeah it feels like

03:16SPEAKERa much smaller relative leap than 09 to now well like like a lot like so many standards have

03:22SPEAKERmatured in terms of wireless and and things work cellular data yeah like things have matured and

03:28SPEAKERkind of found their way into every aspect of everyday life well and the thing that's weird now

03:33SPEAKERi i said this uh almost a decade ago when we were starting tested but back then i could get a tablet

03:39SPEAKERor a really high-end phone that was about as capable as my 1999 pc was right right now you

03:45SPEAKERcan get like anything you get a toaster that's as capable as your 1999 pc i guess that's that's

03:50SPEAKERreally what the difference is to me is that like at the end of the century i was using a pc yeah

03:55SPEAKERat the end of the decade following that i was using a faster pc and that's kind of the it yeah

04:00SPEAKERbut now my phone is pretty much my main computer the proliferation of extra devices and extra ways

04:05SPEAKERto connect them hadn't happened yet it was like you were just doing everything that you had been

04:09SPEAKERdoing 10 years prior a little bit faster well and if you think about so starting phones are

04:13SPEAKERthe obvious place to start because that's the big thing i think like that that is the thing that has

04:17SPEAKERthe most impact on people's lives in the last decade yeah it feels it feels trite like we made

04:21SPEAKERthis list before we came in here to do this and you put phones right at the top and i was like oh

04:24SPEAKERman it feels like we talk about phones all the time but like yeah the phone kind of is the basis

04:29SPEAKERof modern society isn't it well i mean i immediately under phones i wrote we talk about phones a lot

04:34SPEAKERyeah um but but yeah it went from in 2010 it was in in the 2000s it was a luxury item like i remember

04:42SPEAKERbuying an iphone i guess i guess you're right and i was like look i can check email without walking

04:47SPEAKERinto the office in my apartment to go to the computer yeah like that was a big deal let's

04:51SPEAKERlet's establish a little bit of context here so like the first iphone shipped in what 2007 2007

04:55SPEAKERright in summer so by 2010 we're talking iphone 3gs is when that at the beginning of 2010 the

05:02SPEAKERiphone 4 launched middle of 2010 okay that was i know this because this was the year we launched

05:07SPEAKERtested and the iphone 4 was the first new iphone we covered it tested okay i feel like the the four

05:11SPEAKERwas kind of the beginning of the modern template for the smartphone obviously the the touch screen

05:16SPEAKERexisted before that and etc etc but the four as well as the one that prioritized pixel density on

05:21SPEAKERthe screen and i think it was the first one that had faced it had it had a it didn't have a retina

05:26SPEAKERdisplay it didn't have a retina display before yeah yeah the first one was the one that had that

05:30SPEAKERthey doubled the so yeah it had a front facing camera because it's the way they launched face

05:33SPEAKERtime right uh and it was the first one that the rear facing camera was actually pretty good on

05:37SPEAKERlike it was like if you go back in your photo catalog and you look at the pictures taken with

05:41SPEAKERan iphone 4 like you're probably not going to print them and blow them up to 8 by 10 but you

05:45SPEAKERcan make a pretty decent 4 by 6 out of all of them it was it was it was where the the smartphone or

05:49SPEAKERthe iphone matured i guess is the way i put it like there had been iphones before that but that

05:53SPEAKERwas the first one that felt kind of like feature complete and to be fair i never owned one but a

05:57SPEAKERfour oh oh i was i was in the woods on smartphones for a few years there i think that was well that

06:03SPEAKERwas when you gave me that windows phone and i limped along on that well that was a couple

06:06SPEAKERyears later probably but but it was interesting because i was on a 3g before that yeah but you

06:10SPEAKERcould be in the woods on smartphones right like like at that point like if you think about the

06:15SPEAKERnumber of things that you could do on your phone that were important for like i couldn't submit

06:19SPEAKERexpenses on my phone then we couldn't even post our cms's we couldn't update our cms at whiskey

06:24SPEAKERon a phone in 2010 you mean because the browsers because the browsers weren't capable yeah or the

06:28SPEAKERcms hadn't been written like the frameworks that made the browser reactive design was not really a

06:32SPEAKERbig thing no that kind of thing yeah so so all of that stuff like if you think think think about

06:38SPEAKERremember flash do you remember when the iphone like the early days of the iphone what a big all

06:44SPEAKERthe people were like man we gotta have flash on these phones and apple was like no fuck there was

06:48SPEAKERthere was terrible nothing i loved more than steve jobs putting his foot down and just making

06:51SPEAKEReverybody super mad by not oh that letter various is this flash the one he wrote the letter about

06:56SPEAKERhe wrote the letter about flash the same thing happened with like blu-ray drives and you'd be

07:01SPEAKERusually a couple other standards that they just decided to flush in the toilet so the difference

07:05SPEAKERthough was that with flash they came out and said hey here's why we're not supporting this

07:10SPEAKERit was like the rational battery rationale was sound because flash was gone awful yeah it's it's

07:16SPEAKERum it was interesting like in that time the phone went from being a thing that i used to do email

07:23SPEAKERmostly like because also email in 2010 if you remember was terrible spam was out of control

07:30SPEAKERlike you you you couldn't rely on people getting your messages i mean that's still kind of the

07:35SPEAKERcase but like it was it was a bad time it required a lot of work um and and

07:43SPEAKERlike now the default computer that you assume everybody has is a phone yeah it went like i

07:49SPEAKERremember standing on a bart platform in like 20 2008 and being surprised when three people had

07:55SPEAKERiphones sure and then like two years later literally everybody has a phone yeah i guess

08:01SPEAKERi would agree with that sure yeah like i mean i'm thinking about my usage habits because you say

08:05SPEAKERthat's like everybody's main computer now yeah like there's there's still plenty of stuff that

08:09SPEAKERi won't do on a phone just because it's kind of inconvenient but there's not as much that i can

08:13SPEAKERthink of that you can't do on a phone anymore yeah it's usually like this is the best is this

08:18SPEAKERthe best place to be doing this work and if it's if it involves a ton of typing i'm gonna go to

08:22SPEAKERwith the pc see i'm fast enough with my thumbs now i'll even do a long like i'll hang out a long

08:26SPEAKERemail i can't stand it if it's more than a text message or two i'm gonna go find a keyboard really

08:31SPEAKERare a gray beard yeah um um so i don't know i guess that covers phones pretty well i'm just

08:36SPEAKERthinking so back to like when the flip phone to smartphone transition happened and that feels like

08:43SPEAKERthe beginning of the decade kind of feels like when that became ubiquitous like obviously people

08:46SPEAKERhad smartphones before that but like i think prior to 2010 it was kind of like the blackberry crowd

08:51SPEAKERright so i was like the modern screen only form of the smartphone had only existed for two three

08:57SPEAKERyears at that point that seems so yeah um and i went straight from a motorola or maybe it was

09:04SPEAKERi think it was a motorola flip phone to a iphone 3g i had a the last dumb phone i had was a either

09:09SPEAKERa sony erickson candy bar phone or a nokia candy bar oh mine was lg i'm sorry but yeah okay so that

09:14SPEAKERwas that was a phones were bad the um the other thing that the phones like the phones have had

09:19SPEAKERa bunch of kind of unintended side effects i think um so i i had a paper ticket for my flight

09:28SPEAKERat thanksgiving for the first time in ages like i had to go print it out because gina had bought

09:33SPEAKERthe tickets for us and didn't i didn't ever put the confirmation code in my thing so and when we

09:38SPEAKERtravel with our daughter then we have you know we carry boarding passes because she doesn't have

09:41SPEAKERa phone obviously so it gets weird because every ticket i buy now is just a qr code on my phone

09:49SPEAKERyeah like i bought some i bought some christmas gifts uh from best buy for in-store pickup over

09:54SPEAKERthe holiday and i just went in with and showed them my phone i stopped at starbucks on the way

09:58SPEAKERover here and bought breakfast and i just showed my barcode to the machine and they're like okay

10:01SPEAKERyou're done gina who wants to print things i use gina's account yes we consolidate stars uh who

10:06SPEAKERwants to print things no these days like that's just a waste of time and paper i heard printings

10:10SPEAKERfor movie tickets loyalty cards all that stuff it's all it's all just dots on my screen like that

10:16SPEAKERthat to me is the biggest upside well you know setting aside like societal effects so the privacy

10:21SPEAKERthe complete loss of privacy the fact that every everybody in the country knows exactly where we

10:25SPEAKERare every business can buy that information but the one real ups the the feel good about kind of

10:31SPEAKERupside to me is the just the overall connectedness of of and convenience of daily life now yeah

10:37SPEAKERaround things like that i think verizon probably likes it too they're probably fans because you

10:41SPEAKERknow they're charging us 40 or 50 bucks a month for data now than they were back then yeah my

10:46SPEAKERphone bill is not as egregiously awful as i would have expected actually i think it might be cheaper

10:51SPEAKERnow than it was i feel this time a decade ago i might be wrong about that i've got a like an

10:56SPEAKERokay employee discount but no like their data plans mr big business there it's like ten percent

11:02SPEAKERor something oh oh um that's like a thousand dollars a month i mean i pay like 60 bucks a

11:07SPEAKERmonth for five gig of data are you both on the same plan no this is just me that's just you yeah

11:12SPEAKERyeah so jina and i pay like 120 bucks a month which is to be fair to be fair almost everybody

11:16SPEAKERwas paying subsidized phone plans back then i feel like just about everybody was buying the two-year

11:21SPEAKERsubsidized phone yeah back when i mean that just went away like that's the thing that disappeared

11:26SPEAKERthe last like three years that's also part of the difference but anyway um let's like so okay so we

11:33SPEAKERcarry phones but i mean we all probably carried a phone before but like for a long time my dumb phone

11:38SPEAKERwas a thing that i left off unless i needed it like i didn't play i didn't use it i didn't have

11:43SPEAKERit turned on all the time because i didn't text because texting was expensive i'm trying to think

11:46SPEAKERyeah like what the my usage habits were like i remember text messaging people like it was you

11:50SPEAKERknow you were t9ing the text and that sucked but like that did come in handy every once in a while

11:54SPEAKERi started text messaging i got a text message plan when twitter took off before there were

11:58SPEAKERsmartphones and it was just something that came in from 404. oh wow that's right didn't that that is

12:04SPEAKERhow twitter started twitter started as a sms 404 so how did you read your feed you you got

12:10SPEAKERtext messages what yeah every time somebody tweeted on your feet look people didn't tweet

12:14SPEAKERvery much okay um i mean we'll get to social media but like the evolution of twitter is a big one for

12:20SPEAKERme yeah it's banana like not just twitter but we were too every service we were too old for facebook

12:25SPEAKERbecause it was for college kids you might not have been uh yeah i mean i was well well what is the

12:30SPEAKERwhat is the facebook era like 04 onwards 05. i thought it started in oh seven well maybe it went

12:36SPEAKERpublic in no seven i mean there's a difference between when it was like something college kids

12:39SPEAKERuse and yeah it became ubiquitous it was i was definitely a maximum pc when people started normal

12:43SPEAKERpeople started getting access to it yeah so it would have been like 2005 2006 2007 sounds right

12:49SPEAKERlate bush era let's say yeah pre-obama yeah but yeah it was and i think facebook launched a little

12:58SPEAKERbit after flickr for yeah 2004 is when it launched for um is when the events depicted in the social

13:04SPEAKERnetwork happened okay um but it didn't it didn't open up for a few years texting by or tweeting by

13:11SPEAKERtext is just it's like i was at south by southwest what was great because like it at at south by

13:17SPEAKERsouthwest 2007 which i was at and it launched i was on a panel with ev williams it being twitter

13:23SPEAKERthat's when twitter like took off seven and so it had been out for a while okay it had been out for

13:27SPEAKERlike a year at that point but it didn't really it took off at that south by because people were using

13:32SPEAKERit to tweet which parties had shorter lines okay so like one person could could tweet out hey this

13:39SPEAKERdoesn't have there's no lines at blah blah blah and then you would log in to the web page on my

13:45SPEAKERwindows mobile phone and see which which you know like you could just search the overall feed because

13:51SPEAKERit was all south by people right like the the the everything on twitter feed yeah and you'd know that

13:57SPEAKERoh like the mozilla party there's no line to get in right now so you can go hang out and get three

14:00SPEAKERdrinks yeah you were there i was there at the beginning i was on a panel with ev williams that's

14:05SPEAKERhe was unassuming and dave dave and dave and ev williams and i were on a panel how many founders

14:10SPEAKERdo they have a lot three it's him and biz stone and and jack and the other guy yeah the one that

14:15SPEAKERwe don't talk about oh yeah um anyway twitter's weird i don't know what uh this is a major

14:20SPEAKERdigression but twitter has always felt to me like the also ran of the major social networks in terms

14:27SPEAKERof like revenue and raw numbers that seems right like all you ever hear about is how big facebook

14:31SPEAKERis facebook's making 50 billion dollars in profit a year and i think this is much less true now but

14:36SPEAKERfor a lot of years you kept hearing how twitter couldn't really find a way to turn a profit very

14:40SPEAKERwell i think they think and i think and again i think they've i think they've somewhat fixed that

14:44SPEAKERbut the point i'm trying to make is like i ended for my business sense twitter has always felt like

14:48SPEAKERthe third place one but in terms of social cachet it seems like the only one that actually matters

14:53SPEAKERlike i think that's true maybe that's an effect of my age bracket but it seems like that's the

14:56SPEAKERonly one anybody ever actually thinks and talks about well i think it's our job too maybe because

15:00SPEAKERi think i think journalists liked twitter a lot um because it was always more personality focused

15:06SPEAKERthan brand focused so does the president you know like facebook is just for we don't have to talk

15:10SPEAKERabout he uses facebook too facebook well like kind of but it's um i think it's so twitter seems

15:19SPEAKERto be the episode of where all the shit is going down like yeah like trump they don't talk about

15:23SPEAKERtrump launching wars on facebook it's always that's what i'm getting words on twitter like

15:26SPEAKERlike facebook is just for boomers passing memes around or whatever at this point but like the

15:30SPEAKERaction is on twitter and i don't know if that's about making a value judgment here it's just it

15:35SPEAKERis what it is i think it's because they didn't ever algorithmically change the feed i think it's

15:39SPEAKERbecause the feed was all is mostly um oh yeah so it's like for all their attempts to yeah shove

15:45SPEAKERother things in there it is still kind of just a feed well and so you know as a result of that

15:50SPEAKERyou know that when he posts something everybody can see more or less the same thing right i i

15:55SPEAKERdon't sure so yeah that's a it's a metaphysical question i'm not really getting too far outside

16:00SPEAKERthe scope of this topic of course um i was gonna i was gonna mention real quick i don't know yeah

16:04SPEAKERif we're gonna move on from phones but um uh would you propose this topic one of the ways i wanted to

16:09SPEAKERthink about it was kind of thinking back on what i carried around with me i love this this is my

16:14SPEAKERfavorite thing yeah like i love like what's in your backpack type videos and stuff like that so

16:19SPEAKERlike i was thinking like all right what are the devices we had on us in 2009 2010 what was it now

16:24SPEAKERhey brad what was in your bag 10 years ago last decade so looking i mean in the phone context in

16:28SPEAKERparticular uh i had some variation of the kind of nice consumer canon digital camera that everybody

16:34SPEAKERhad like a pocket pocket uh yeah is that one of the lines a digital elf was one of them yeah like

16:40SPEAKERthat like the little yeah square square thing with the lens that popped out deck of cards shaped kind

16:45SPEAKERof yeah little doohickey i had a pentax optio that fit into an altoid tin wow yeah and like that i

16:52SPEAKERassume that market is all but i mean that can't really exist at this point i was gonna say i've

16:56SPEAKERgot that there are a bunch of like insignia brand cameras at best buy for people to pick up if they

17:02SPEAKERwant them but like everybody's either got a phone or they've got like some nice dslr because they're

17:06SPEAKERa professional or a consumer type so there's two markets for that there's the really cheap market

17:14SPEAKERthat you give to like kids and teenagers and stuff like that like party cams um they're an old people

17:20SPEAKERthere's fixed lens cameras that have big zooms so like if you think about the places your phone

17:27SPEAKERreally falls down it's it's any kind of telephoto so canon still makes those big wide chonker

17:33SPEAKERcameras that have the lens that sticks out a foot um and then the other place that they that they

17:38SPEAKERstill have a pretty good market is like sony and fuji and like a make fixed lens point and shoots

17:48SPEAKERthat are just really high quality optics and high quality sensors so like you can get a low light

17:53SPEAKERa really really good low light sensor in like an rx 100 mark six or seven or whatever they're on

17:59SPEAKERnow and those are like 600 to a thousand dollar point and shoots okay but they but they they're

18:04SPEAKERthey're for like portraiture okay so like if you think about like um like norm has one of those

18:09SPEAKERthat he carries when he goes out and doesn't want to carry a dslr because if it's in his jacket

18:13SPEAKERpocket uh and you can take like a nice picture you can take a nice portrait of somebody in a

18:17SPEAKERbar and it doesn't look like a grainy cell phone cam so the the benefit of using those is that the

18:21SPEAKERsensors are a lot bigger and the glass is a lot bigger so more glass is more light that bigger

18:26SPEAKERsensor is less noise sure but but but for the most part they're like they went from being a super

18:30SPEAKERmainstream thing to a real niche right yeah yeah the just the everybody camera has kind of gone

18:36SPEAKERaway because that's just the phone now um i carried a ds with me almost all the time yeah and like the

18:40SPEAKERlate if you're not if you're into portable gaming at that time i guess the ds was still the only

18:45SPEAKERthing well like the thing that was that it's funny most of the stuff i played on the i played

18:50SPEAKERa lot of ds games but i also played a ton of the old gba games okay because they had re-released

18:55SPEAKERa bunch of snest stuff yes on the ds on the ds and on the gba back before they took the gba out

19:01SPEAKERof the ds yeah so you could just jam out your gba link to the past card in and play some link to the

19:07SPEAKERpast yes and i did that when i because i read the bus back then a lot yes so did i uh yeah like that

19:12SPEAKERwhole that whole litany of ds's that they put out well i mean that's getting way back two or three

19:16SPEAKERright i say the first ds is like a four so that's wow really oh yeah like like if we're if we're

19:21SPEAKERkind of constraining ourselves to end of decade then the ds was kind of in its twilight gasps

19:27SPEAKERwow because the 3ds came out in 2011 um so we're talking like dsi at that point uh which was i

19:33SPEAKERthink the first one they sold downloadable games on if i'm not mistaken uh that was the first place

19:39SPEAKERnintendo sold any downloadable games wasn't it i think that's right or did they have the wheeze shop

19:42SPEAKERbefore that oh you're right yeah yeah but i mean in terms of handhelds in terms of ds's that was

19:46SPEAKERthe first ds i think that you could download really games they were a little they were called

19:51SPEAKERdsi where they were a little uh super dominant was that the notebooks and all that stuff i started to

19:57SPEAKERsay super dinky but that's not fair i mean they were very bite-sized games they were very yeah

20:01SPEAKERfive dollar kind of stuff like boxboy originated there something boxboy was i think 3ds yes it was

20:06SPEAKERit was super limited stuff from what i remember it was it was you know yeah nason nintendo dabbling

20:11SPEAKERin online stuff but um i mean you know whatever the switch has like the the concept of the nintendo

20:18SPEAKERhandheld has certainly stuck around in the intervening 10 years you know it's not like like

20:22SPEAKERphones came out and obviously everybody was like well video games are dead everybody's got a phone

20:25SPEAKERnow but that didn't quite prove true i mean well yeah the nintendo handheld has kind of endured for

20:32SPEAKERthis whole decade that's true i mean and yeah and for i prospered in some cases yeah um well it was

20:39SPEAKERup and down 3ds was a little iffy for some time i mean it look the 3ds had a soft launch and picked

20:46SPEAKERup it recovered it didn't recover to the same tune as like the we or the ds but they sold it

20:52SPEAKERwas a successful product absolutely eventually yes three versions four versions i just mean that

20:56SPEAKERfirst year or two was uh old spotty did you carry chargers for stuff back then yeah oh you know what

21:00SPEAKERum i was gonna say my love affair with retractable cables might have started around oh yeah it was

21:07SPEAKERactually it was probably a little more like mid you you i remember when you guys got into that

21:10SPEAKERa giant bomb because i was around whiskey then we were in the basement i'm so sad nobody's ever

21:15SPEAKERasked me to do one of those what's in your bag videos just because i want to show off my retractable

21:18SPEAKERcables oh man we would have the sad part is i started getting into them in japan where a

21:25SPEAKERthree dollar usba retractable cable uh would last you let's say 15 years because i still have it in

21:32SPEAKERmy bag wow really yeah holy shit but now they're everywhere and most of the ones you can get from

21:37SPEAKERamazon or monoprice or whatever are garbage yeah they're real cheap the spring loading in them is

21:41SPEAKERwill break after six months and it's like kind of not worth getting them anymore the connectors are

21:45SPEAKERreal wobbly yeah like they're all so cheap now but but in the heyday of retractable cables i mean

21:51SPEAKERif you travel a lot and you need to bring a bunch of different chargers and cables with you like

21:54SPEAKERit's the way to keep your keep the spaghetti out of your bag one of the really nice things is the

22:01SPEAKERrise of usb charging as i like it's not perfect because we still have like i still have to carry

22:07SPEAKERa micro uh thunder uh lightning lightning yes and some usb-c cables when i carry stuff around now

22:15SPEAKERyeah but it's better than the old days when you had to have like uh like five bulky chargers well

22:20SPEAKERand like some phone specific thing that if you forgot you'd have to go pay thirty dollars at some

22:24SPEAKERextortion place manufacturer specific yeah like like that stuff's definitely improved definitely

22:29SPEAKERand i feel like with c we're on the path to eventually replace all of the things with c stuff

22:34SPEAKERkind of you think like the new ipads are c aren't they the pros are yes pros are c uh it seems like

22:40SPEAKERthey're going to transition to see on the phone at some point i'm sure i think a lot of android

22:45SPEAKERphones are going c now right there has been word that they're going to the android phones have

22:48SPEAKERbeen c for a while yeah um like the pixel one was a c phone which is now three years old usb-c like

22:54SPEAKERjust like every other usb-c seems like kind of a giant mess though there's like five different

22:58SPEAKERcable standards and they all do different stuff and some of them are not very compatible and you

23:02SPEAKERnever know what's what well i was gonna say the thing that i have found the hard way is that

23:06SPEAKERthere's a very limited number of actual usb 3.1 like full thunderbolt speed right that's what i

23:14SPEAKERmean usb-c cables they all look like a usb-c connector but you generally don't know what the

23:19SPEAKERcapabilities most usb-c cables are just like usb 2 or usb 3.0 cables right that that are capable

23:26SPEAKERof doing high power transfer yeah which is i think that's pde right usb i man i know it's confusing

23:31SPEAKERyeah power delivery is or something yeah the um this comes this came up because of the oculus link

23:38SPEAKERokay so oculus link uh oculus quest added a few weeks ago support for uh link cable which means

23:45SPEAKERyou plug a usb c cable into your headset plug the other end of your computer and then oculus

23:51SPEAKERsoftware on your computer sees the quest as a standalone vr headset you can play pc games on

23:56SPEAKERthe mobile headset video and power over that cable video and power over that cable um the cables that

24:02SPEAKERworked with it at launch were like three feet long which isn't anywhere near long enough there's an

24:07SPEAKERonker that's 10 feet long and oculus is selling a fiber one now that's 15 feet long i think which is

24:15SPEAKERlike the 10 foot long one long one is probably okay if your pc is in a good spot but the 15 foot

24:20SPEAKERone is is is pretty good sure i mean the problem to me with usb-c is that the connector looks the

24:26SPEAKERsame no matter what you've got but that's also the good thing well but i mean to me that implies that

24:30SPEAKERevery cable will work with everything i feel like that's the that's going to be the intuitive notion

24:34SPEAKERthat most people are going to get from looking at that like oh this cable fits everywhere then it

24:38SPEAKERmust work everywhere but the opposite is true and it's just a giant mess like the the raspberry pi

24:42SPEAKER4 launched with a bug or that they they didn't follow the usb power c power spec it's the first

24:49SPEAKERone with c in it it's a minor bug it's really not that big of a deal uh-huh but if you use certain

24:55SPEAKERtypes of more expensive usb-c cables that can do like audio and certain extra functionality the

25:00SPEAKERyou the the pi will not be able to pull power over them like it it puts the cable or it starts

25:06SPEAKERrequesting like they provide a cable uh i believe you have to buy a charger separately but it's like

25:11SPEAKEReight bucks again it's not a big deal if you use their official uh like eight dollar power adapter

25:16SPEAKERnot a big deal well so the case is just too goddamn confusing like how did usb-c how did

25:21SPEAKERusb make it through this entire decade and not get any better i think it got better it's just it's

25:26SPEAKERlike not better enough think about the level of complexity of the thing you're trying to describe

25:31SPEAKERthere as it's a cable that can both you know you can copy stuff off of an sd card or a hard drive

25:38SPEAKERand also use as a monitor cable and also uses the main power delivery for your laptop look speaking

25:44SPEAKERas a trained computer accessory designer and engineer okay i'm here to tell you this should

25:49SPEAKERbe easy as hell as an expert oh you heard it here first no i know i know direct your criticism cable

25:54SPEAKERdesigners i'm brad shoemaker on twitter obviously there's a lot of complexity but uh it just feels

25:59SPEAKERyou know i mean the usb is one of those consortium driven things right yeah so the loudest voices

26:04SPEAKERmake them make the biggest right impact and like bad decisions get made yeah look i mean i think i

26:10SPEAKERthink as a whole we're better off look could we have not used had usb mini yes absolutely

26:20SPEAKERi feel like the the a to micro to c has been a pretty smooth physical design transition and

26:28SPEAKERthat's kind of the hard part right i guess so like if if everything if in 10 years everything's using

26:33SPEAKERusb-c we're probably in a good spot i guess that's an improvement yeah it's a but it's a pretty low

26:39SPEAKERbar it takes a long time though because like yeah you think about like i have i had to charge i was

26:44SPEAKERdoing playing some ps4 vr games the other day and i had to find a mini cable to charge my my my ps

26:51SPEAKERmoves right because those things are still minis oh that's where the old ones are the new ones are

26:55SPEAKERps3 era hardware which was all mini yeah the ones they sell now are micro oh that's nice yeah well

27:00SPEAKERit should be c why are they micro anyway anyway yeah um i i carried a kindle back then did you

27:06SPEAKERyeah when did the kindle launch 2007 is when the first one that was like 500 launched okay i got

27:11SPEAKERinto kindle very late so you're way ahead of me on that well so i i think the first reasonable price

27:17SPEAKERones started coming out like they were 200 bucks in 2008 2009 around holiday time but then the first

27:24SPEAKERreasonable price ones came out this year where you got into like the paper whites that were 60

27:27SPEAKERand stuff like that and when they added the backlight it made it a really like there were

27:33SPEAKERcandles without backlights oh god oh man they didn't have backlights for years did they not

27:37SPEAKERlearn from the gameboy advance well so it's a reflective screen it didn't need the backlight

27:41SPEAKERyou just had to use like a normal reading light yeah but it turns out it's much more pleasant

27:44SPEAKERto read in bed with all the lights off and you don't annoy your spouse as much yeah um i carried

27:50SPEAKERit mainly for battery life though because like if you think about your iphone 3gs your iphone 4

27:54SPEAKERbattery they they didn't have the battery to for me to like be on an airplane and be reading for

28:01SPEAKERthree hours and then get off and still be able to use my phone to find out where i was supposed to go

28:06SPEAKERuh you know with my smart map or whatever yeah i just i find it a lot more pleasant to read on an

28:11SPEAKERe-ink screen i like it a lot generally it's just easier on the eyes somehow yeah it's the next best

28:16SPEAKERthing to paper no um i also like if i was traveling i would carry a map like a map like if i went to

28:23SPEAKERnew york or something before smartly so i had one e3 where i went to e3 and it was the first time i

28:29SPEAKERrelied on the smartphone for calendar and stuff and i dropped it getting out of the car at sfo

28:34SPEAKERand smashed the screen on my three iphone i think i launch iphone original iphone

28:41SPEAKERand i was completely hosed because i had no idea where my meetings were nothing so i had to go and

28:48SPEAKERget my laptop out i mean i've had a laptop i had to call somebody to look at my calendar in the

28:53SPEAKERhome office and write down where all my appointments were nice and and as a result of that i always

28:59SPEAKERcarried a map because like smart remember iphone didn't launch with turn by turn directions it just

29:05SPEAKERhad a maps app right you didn't get turned by turn directions until google maps came on the

29:10SPEAKERservice in like 2011 sure and apple maps launched god it was 2012 it was maps this decade google

29:15SPEAKERmaps well no google maps existed before okay but it was it was very much a don't use this

29:22SPEAKERfor turn by turn this is only for knowing how to get someplace by eyeballing use this as a map not

29:27SPEAKERas a gps so yeah i feel like google maps especially in an urban environment is like the most extreme

29:35SPEAKERblessing and curse kind of situation it's ways ways makes that yeah ways and google maps are

29:41SPEAKERboth real good like it is it is enabled uh navigation that was never possible before but

29:45SPEAKERat the same time it has like i can get around better than i ever could before yeah i've also

29:51SPEAKERstopped learning my way around more than ever before i mean does that make sense it's funny

29:56SPEAKERbecause like i just rely on it so much that i that i stopped like kind of taking note of landmarks in

30:00SPEAKERa lot of cases you know it's like oh i'll just look it up on google maps again huh i see i don't

30:05SPEAKERi don't get that but the thing that i love is that i can go to any city in the world

30:09SPEAKERand know how to get around even if i don't speak the language that's what i mean like that's the

30:13SPEAKERgood side like that's the beautiful thing totally um and then the ways thing where like all of a

30:18SPEAKERsudden every like six cars will take the same weird left turn and go down a series of windy

30:22SPEAKERback streets so ways is social maps oh oh wow um i didn't realize that's how it worked yeah and like

30:30SPEAKERyou report traffic obstructions and they pick up data to it's where google maps gets real-time

30:34SPEAKERtraffic data so like like the one of the famous ones is you'll get off at caesar uh not at caesar

30:41SPEAKERshabes at um it doesn't matter it just winds you up near like park presidio and stuff like that

30:47SPEAKERrather than going around uh going around what seems like the straight sane way um

30:54SPEAKERyeah so social maps maps maps in general yeah pretty good um let's see you've got headphones

31:01SPEAKERon here i think everything was wired pretty much at the beginning of the decade still

31:05SPEAKERwere there bluetooth there were bluetooth headsets or like uh earpieces earpieces sure

31:10SPEAKERi don't think the high quality bluetooth audio came on until like 2012 or 2011 that sounds about

31:17SPEAKERright um and the battery life on those like initially they were just big chonker

31:24SPEAKERover your headphones because you needed something yeah that's what i i remember seeing on the bus

31:28SPEAKERfor the first couple years of that was the giant um and then you've got uh battery packs yeah do

31:34SPEAKERyou here yeah i carry a battery backup with me almost most places now um trying to yeah i've got

31:39SPEAKERone that i keep with me all the time oh god my nose is so itchy um i mean battery technology in

31:46SPEAKERgeneral has improved at a shocking rate in the last decade we talked about this a few weeks ago

31:50SPEAKERso we don't need to get into it again yeah like that didn't even exist as a consumer product

31:53SPEAKERin 2010 right no it was they would have been crazy so the standalone external battery that has usb

31:58SPEAKERand other ports on it yeah i got one of those one year when we got to see us at tested in like 2011

32:03SPEAKERor 2012 and i made so many friends that year just sitting in line waiting for press conferences

32:08SPEAKERbecause people were like hey what's that thing what are you plugged into is there a wall was

32:12SPEAKERthere a wall plug here it's like no it's just a battery and they're like what what is this

32:15SPEAKERwhat devilry is this changes everything and it was like it was good for maybe two iphone charges but

32:22SPEAKERyou could top i just topped off a bunch of people it was it was yeah it's where i met jeff grub i

32:25SPEAKERthink okay yeah um uh let's see should we talk about like i feel like now i pay a lot more

32:33SPEAKERten dollars a month for stuff yeah like this is maybe a bad thing i think this is a bad i'm of

32:39SPEAKERi'm of two minds about it but i think that's that's the right that's the right response

32:44SPEAKERprobably so it can be a good value it all started with netflix yes right 7.99 a month to get discs

32:50SPEAKERin the mail oh by the way we're not doing discs anymore here here they still do discs i mean

32:55SPEAKERtechnically you do discs nobody does discs yeah and and like they they they boosted that service

33:04SPEAKERon the back of the stars streaming deal it seems like do you remember that stars i remember stars

33:08SPEAKERas a cable channel or i mean that's not still around it's still around but but netflix licensed

33:14SPEAKERall of the stars content is that how they got early netflix streaming set how they got into

33:18SPEAKERstreaming that's how they got the massive dump of content they had at the beginning okay and then

33:23SPEAKERthey kept adding to that i remember that actually yeah thinking back to like oh wait when i signed

33:28SPEAKERup for netflix i remember how much of the stuff was labeled as stars on there oh yeah well and

33:32SPEAKERthen and then but i mean if you think about just streaming video in general youtube launched like

33:37SPEAKERlate 2006 2007 vimeo was around porn sites had got the video streaming down for a really long time

33:44SPEAKERbut that's always the way um but but like you didn't stream you still didn't stream a ton of

33:51SPEAKERvideo like my home broadband was 100 megabit down and 10 megabit up and i had awesome internet for

33:56SPEAKER2010 20 2009 it's probably about the same most most video streaming you were doing was to a

34:01SPEAKERcomputer yeah still yeah there was no there was no easy way i like i in 2009 i had a squeeze box

34:07SPEAKERwhich was a logitech a logitech thing that would let you stream music to your stereo in your living

34:12SPEAKERroom remember stereos feel like those vaguely yeah so you it was a little box with a cold cathode

34:17SPEAKERdisplay that would like take your mp3s from a file share on your on your network yeah and blast them

34:23SPEAKERto multiple rooms in the house it's like a proto sonos okay or or airplay sharing or google play

34:28SPEAKERsharing or whatever you're i'm trying to think what i watched netflix on when i first signed up

34:32SPEAKERfor it probably the xbox xbox 360 you're probably right or ps3 yeah i guess that's right i'm just

34:38SPEAKERabout like what if you didn't have a game console what did you use um they sold a lot of roku's yeah

34:43SPEAKERwhen did those happen i guess is what i'm asking like when did when did netflix in the living room

34:46SPEAKERreally become a thing was it probably around this decade no no it was definitely even after yes

34:51SPEAKERyeah so if you weren't watching on game consoles like the we had a netflix app that's right sure

34:56SPEAKERbut but there weren't a lot of like low power standalone boxes i remember that that d-link

35:01SPEAKERboxy box thing okay um which was like which is like a kind of xbox media center fork sure

35:08SPEAKERthat that was just running on a dedicated piece of hardware like when did the first apple tv come out

35:13SPEAKERuh that was definitely this decade the first apple tv the white one the bad one

35:18SPEAKERwas 2007 or 8 i think but i'm sure i mean the point is like the rise of services that you can

35:26SPEAKERsubscribe to on a monthly basis dovetails with the rise of cheap hardware that you can plug into your

35:31SPEAKERtv yeah to carry those services right generally i i mean i think that feels like mostly a this decade

35:38SPEAKERthing to me oh that a hundred percent yeah we spent a lot of the early time it tested talking

35:42SPEAKERabout when over the top was going to matter and reviewing boxes and shit like the term over the

35:46SPEAKERtop until you brought it in here oh really yeah oh yeah well that's that is that a play on over the

35:51SPEAKERair what did the top it's over the top of the digital broadband network so instead of coming

35:56SPEAKERover the airwaves or cable network i just i wasn't sure what the top of what was i don't yeah i think

36:02SPEAKERthe top is that's a strange it's what all the industry people call it okay there's also set

36:07SPEAKERtop box i don't know if it was top of television or what maybe it is over the top of the top this

36:11SPEAKERis maybe that's what it was huh this is let's not dig into the origins of industry jargon here

36:17SPEAKERuh but yeah the first apple tv i'm i'm not able to find this because the service is also called

36:24SPEAKERapple tv right um seems like a real mistake of branding to me look i'm not we're not we're

36:30SPEAKERbranding experts here uh the first right i'm i'm in computer engineering and marketing it turns out

36:37SPEAKERthe first gen white box the one that looked like a small mac mini was 2007 i've never seen that

36:44SPEAKERbefore is that the one with all the ports on the back it has a bunch of it has like eight or nine

36:48SPEAKERports on it has component ports and s video and the whole thing wow yeah optical all that stuff

36:52SPEAKERthat predicted hdmi maybe when i think about it okay because remember hdmi barely made it out

36:57SPEAKERfor like the second rev of the xbox 360 of the ps3 the first ps3 ps3 had it but it was like the

37:03SPEAKERfirst thing i remember yeah so um so the then the second one was 2010 the the not it's not the one

37:11SPEAKERthat runs apps it's the one that good apple tv it's not the one that you can install your own

37:14SPEAKERapps on it for one that's just like the apps that they chose okay yes i yes okay sure and then the

37:20SPEAKERthird gen launched in 2012 okay um okay so definitely around the beginning of the decade is when

37:26SPEAKERroku's and apple tv and all that stuff really started catching on yeah and if you think about

37:30SPEAKERit there wasn't a ton of content for them at first like you you couldn't i remember mlb was the one

37:36SPEAKERof the first big sports networks that had app presence for both phones and set set top boxes

37:43SPEAKERbecause those things kind of came around at the same time like i remember being able to watch the

37:47SPEAKERmlb for camera feed of like not the broadcast but just the shit that was happening on the field with

37:52SPEAKERa radio voiceover on the mlb app in like i don't know probably 2012 okay but but that was unusual

38:02SPEAKERand i paid 15 or something to watch that during the world series right or during the playoffs for

38:06SPEAKERthat one stream that one for like for like access to all the games during the final part of the

38:11SPEAKERseries yeah okay so yeah like that netflix was definitely the only one of those services i was

38:16SPEAKERpaying for at the beginning of this decade and for a long time after that well a lot like a lot of

38:20SPEAKERpeople i got grandfathered into that just because i had discs sure um hulu hulu came on yeah early

38:26SPEAKER2000s 2010 i think it was probably the first big competitor that i can remember probably i mean

38:30SPEAKERthere was a bunch of other stuff there was like voodoo and and um a bunch of other things that

38:35SPEAKERlike didn't have enough like so like this was all a chicken and egg thing right like you needed the

38:39SPEAKERhardware you need the content for people to buy the hardware to put on the set top boxes so that

38:43SPEAKERyou could watch the content on the tv where people really wanted to watch it but you needed the

38:48SPEAKERcontent so that people would buy the hardware to be like it was it was a it was it's amazing

38:53SPEAKERthat they managed to make this work and it went from those things that like everybody was talking

38:57SPEAKERabout when is this going to happen when is when is this going to impact cable subscriber numbers

39:01SPEAKERand all this stuff to just like everybody's fucking subscribe to everything that's the fact

39:05SPEAKERof life now there's there's i mean look you can subscribe to boomerang which is cartoon networks

39:12SPEAKERlike old hannah barbera cartoon channel basically it's like old scooby-doo and space ghost and stuff

39:19SPEAKERthat stuff like that that's a standalone subscription that's a five dollar a month

39:22SPEAKERsubscription jeez man disney plus apple tv plus criterion you can get i think water brothers is

39:29SPEAKERspinning up a streaming summary yeah that'll be that'll replace hbo go i think okay probably at

39:35SPEAKERthe same price point okay um uh but yeah that'll include all of like the turner and all of the

39:41SPEAKERall of the yeah it's bananas we were i feel like we're at kind of the nadir of the uh streaming

39:47SPEAKERtrend now like the idea what should we call it like the granularization of streaming when

39:52SPEAKEReverybody is trying to break all their stuff out into their own service now like it was great for

39:57SPEAKERhow it's six eight years when like you had like what netflix and spotify and that was kind of it

40:01SPEAKERyeah i mean it's but it's one of those things that like i i do i'm i'm i added it up before

40:07SPEAKERthe show just to see where we're at and even with like disney plus so we get tv over hulu

40:12SPEAKERlike our local tv channels because we still have tv channels for reasons that aren't worth getting

40:17SPEAKERinto um and i feel like we probably we're spending 20 less than we were when we had

40:26SPEAKERcables subscription and netflix still a net gain yeah so so and and like the thing that's changed

40:32SPEAKERis you kind of turn things on and off so like when picard comes back on i'll turn cbs all access

40:37SPEAKERso do you do that that's the other thing that's what i was going to get to as the other downside

40:40SPEAKERof streaming is that i signed up for netflix in let's say 08 i think yeah i never turned it off

40:47SPEAKERand i have never unsubscribed wow and i go for we go for three four months at a time without

40:52SPEAKERwatching it so at all netflix how much money have i given them unnecessarily for that span of time

40:57SPEAKERit's a lot well so i have a kid so it's a little different because like she'll watch she'll watch

41:01SPEAKERcaptain underpants yeah in its entirety three times she'll watch whatever period yeah whatever

41:06SPEAKERthey got um but yeah like i turn off i i'll turn i'll turn off stuff that we're not using that's

41:12SPEAKERfine if you're if you're proactive enough and attentive enough to do that well so but if you

41:16SPEAKERif you just tend to forget about it like i do that kind of turns into an unnecessary money sink

41:20SPEAKERthe trick is i subscribe through itunes and pay the little bit of a premium but that also means

41:25SPEAKERi can just unsubscribe through itunes without having to go through their unsubscribe process

41:28SPEAKERyou could do that yeah so if they'll let you i don't do it for spotify because i just leave

41:33SPEAKERspotify on all the time because i use it a lot but everything else um everything else gets a turn

41:40SPEAKERturned on and off through itunes so like disney plus you pay an extra buck a month or something

41:44SPEAKERyou do it through itunes and then you can just turn it off through i mean realistically i should

41:49SPEAKERchange that because i'm not probably going to unsubscribe to disney plus given the demographics

41:52SPEAKERof my house but but yeah we're not uh i feel like we're not at the final state of this stuff yet

42:00SPEAKERlike there's gonna be there's gonna be a culling right no like surely all of these services can't

42:05SPEAKERco-exist here's what's gonna happen instead of comcast and direct tv and at&t being the place

42:13SPEAKERthat combines them all the companies are just going to absorb each other until it's just time

42:17SPEAKERwarner and disney left and that's it great and so when you sign up for this time warner which will

42:22SPEAKERnot be fifteen dollars it'll be forty dollars sign up for disney which is not gonna be seven dollars

42:27SPEAKERit can be forty dollars cool and then we're gonna pay eighty dollars a month for tv just like we

42:31SPEAKERalways have cool yeah right back where we started look disney released seven films that made a

42:38SPEAKERbillion dollar if you want to talk about bad trends oh my god yes homogenization of the media

42:42SPEAKERmarketplace because disney was allowed to buy fox and marvel and telecom monopolies yeah it's

42:47SPEAKERprobably bad it's definitely bad so yeah you have comcast nbc um universal you have warner hbo

42:57SPEAKERturner and then you have disney abc i gave up i gave up trying to keep track because it is both

43:04SPEAKERtoo uh complicated and also infuriating well i mean the nice thing is there's only three

43:08SPEAKERcompanies now so it's pretty easy to keep track of that's why it's infuriating uh i mean on the

43:13SPEAKERother hand the cost of creating your own content has never been lower sure like so if you want to

43:18SPEAKERspin up an indie disney competitor go nuts bob agar will eat you for breakfast you might want to

43:24SPEAKERwrite that one down as a potential title there all right that that's going to be that one's going to

43:30SPEAKERbe hard to forget yeah okay um let's see where do you want to go next here we i mean talk about

43:37SPEAKERmovies digital projection got to be this like remember when you used to look at a movie theater

43:40SPEAKERand it would be like hey this is being shown digitally yeah and that was a big deal and now

43:45SPEAKERnow like somebody's like hey we have a 35 millimeter print of aliens i know and it's

43:49SPEAKERinsane to think about that that still happens even um i mean i remember uh i don't know when

43:55SPEAKERthis was taking place i think it was like probably late last well i started to say last decade but

43:59SPEAKERit's about to be two decades ago oh like probably second half of like 0608 maybe somewhere around

44:05SPEAKERthere where digital projection was becoming a thing or like it was in testing or you know it

44:10SPEAKERwasn't widespread yet it kind of started with phantom menace right uh no i don't think there

44:14SPEAKERwere a handful of digital projection screens for phantom menace and maybe my time is timeline is

44:19SPEAKERway off yeah um but i remember like competing standards and solutions there was like i cannot

44:24SPEAKERremember the name of it i if i had thought of this ahead of time i would have googled it but

44:27SPEAKERi remember roger ebert was a huge advocate it's still of the dlp stuff no it was still film

44:32SPEAKERprojection but it used like uh i wish i remembered more of the details it had some kind of really

44:37SPEAKERcomplicated mechanical construction around the projector like there was some kind of

44:42SPEAKERoh wow stabilizing aperture it was a way to like it stabilized the image it like made it like

44:47SPEAKERvery clean and still like like digital projection but still using real film huh and he was out there

44:54SPEAKERadvocating really hard for that because he wanted film to survive like a lot of people with his age

44:58SPEAKERbracket did and still do i mean but it didn't make it like digital happened like it was probably

45:03SPEAKERinevitable so because studios don't want to manufacture and ship film reels for the rest of

45:08SPEAKERtime well it's funny i was thinking it's cheaper to send hard drives it turns out yeah that's what

45:12SPEAKERand and it allows you to uh put out point releases for your films after they really got a fixed duty

45:18SPEAKERdentures hand man um i i was thinking about this i was talking about this the other day

45:24SPEAKERbecause we were talking about dollar theaters and like the reason dollar theaters existed

45:30SPEAKERoriginally is they would take the old busted prints from like that had been shown 300 times

45:35SPEAKERat the cineplex yeah which would degrade them and they'd look shitty because they'd have scratches

45:39SPEAKERand tears and all this stuff and you'd go pay a buck to watch like a dirty grungy version of the

45:44SPEAKERsame movie right and now it's still all digital and like the drm for those movies like it phones

45:53SPEAKERhome to when you run the 20th century fox movie you get like two test screens to make sure the

45:57SPEAKERshit's working right and then it starts charging the theater every time you press the button to

46:02SPEAKERplay it like it's it's um it's we it's weird do they even still send hard drives or do they

46:08SPEAKERactually just download it now depends on a lot of theaters don't have fast enough internet to

46:12SPEAKERdownload the 4k yeah i mean last night last i heard what like when we did we did a private

46:17SPEAKERscreening of the martian a few years ago with chris hadfield it tested and and andy weir who

46:22SPEAKERwrote the martian and 20th century fox sent us a dude with a briefcase with these encrypted hard

46:28SPEAKERdrives wow with a screen on the top of the hard drives and you put them in the projector and

46:32SPEAKERit was really cool that's cool yeah but uh 3d remember 3d was real big in like 2010 that was

46:39SPEAKERprobably yeah that was pretty what did avatar come out oh nine 2009 yeah so yeah 3d was huge

46:45SPEAKERat the beginning of this decade remember that yeah like that was in 20 or the early 20 teens

46:49SPEAKERwere when people were doing those post post shoot like remember for a while like avatar he shot with

46:55SPEAKER3d cameras which is why it looked good right but there were a lot of post-production conversions

46:59SPEAKERstill happening yeah they well and now almost everything is post-production conversion

47:03SPEAKERyeah because nobody cares nobody gives a shit yeah yeah they just want the money like i'm actually

47:07SPEAKERkind of surprised when i hear somebody say oh i went to see it in 3d these days because i

47:11SPEAKERforget that is even still projected that way i think the last thing i saw in 3d was spider verse

47:16SPEAKERwhich is it oh that's not that long ago it was fucking good to see in 3d yes i can see that yeah

47:21SPEAKERuh i've never really enjoyed the brightness trade-off well so now the projectors are bright

47:26SPEAKERenough that the brightness part of trade-off like if you go to cinema display or the imax laser at

47:30SPEAKERthe metreon yeah you're not going to notice a difference because those those screens are blinding

47:35SPEAKERwhen they're full blast dude do all tvs even still ship with 3d capabilities you know it's funny i i

47:40SPEAKERhave a friend who just bought one of those lg oleds and i asked him if it had 3d and he didn't know

47:45SPEAKERyeah that's kind of where 3d is at yes i mean 3d only happens because 4k hasn't happened yet right

47:52SPEAKERlike they needed a next thing well no 3d happened in theaters because they wanted to sell tickets

47:57SPEAKERfor five bucks more that's what i mean for the 3d screening both the film then theater industries

48:01SPEAKERand also the home yeah the television industries needed a thing too because well like the hd tv

48:06SPEAKERmarket had become kind of saturated right they needed to keep pushing a new tech i feel like

48:10SPEAKER1080p tvs were just kind of starting to become ubiquitous around 2010 sure because like prior

48:17SPEAKERto that it was it was seven like i had a 720p rear projection set or 1080i rear projections

48:22SPEAKERat okay before that and a 720p plasma flat screen but but like i got a 1080 i got the panasonic that

48:31SPEAKERyou and i have um in 2012 yeah so that's one months from it is more accurate to say that 3d

48:38SPEAKERwent away because 4k happened i think 3d went away because nobody used it that's what i mean

48:42SPEAKERlike it like a superior tech or you know more more interesting i just think people don't care

48:47SPEAKERyeah yeah more universally uh kind of relevant tech came along the bummer is now i have like

48:53SPEAKERfour or five displays that can show 3d really well in my house and it turns out there's no way

48:57SPEAKERto get 3d blu-rays onto vr headsets huh that's strange or i mean okay i'm sure there's a way

49:03SPEAKERbut ripping those discs is challenging yeah and also i don't think i care that much yeah

49:08SPEAKERblu-ray playback is really tough on a pc unless you're willing to spend money on player software

49:12SPEAKERjust the easiest thing to do is to use handbrake and make mkv and just then you can't use the

49:16SPEAKERmenus and it's hard to figure out what's what well you don't sometimes i just want to throw the disc

49:20SPEAKERin the pc and like watch the making of something and then like then look what you need is you hook

49:25SPEAKERthe ps4 up to the pc's capture card and then you just watch it through the capture card it's much

49:30SPEAKEReasier yeah or realistically you just load up disney plus because it's probably on there because

49:34SPEAKERthey own almost anything anyway yeah great um but yeah ripping discs did get easy like in 2010

49:41SPEAKERripping blu-ray i feel like we did our first blu-ray ripping guide on at maximum pc in like

49:47SPEAKER2008 and by 2013 or 2014 it was super straightforward and really easy it's always

49:52SPEAKERit's always seemed like such a nebulous legal area for me though because it involves decrypting the

49:56SPEAKERdiscs i mean that was true of dvds yeah and blu-rays yeah and you had to wait for somebody to do that

50:00SPEAKERwork yeah you had to wait for some leak to happen right that involved what was probably a criminal

50:05SPEAKERrelease of information yeah yeah um if i'm not mistaken so like i mean going back to playing

50:11SPEAKERblu-rays on a pc like vlc is supposedly able to do it you only on your mac because you have to put

50:16SPEAKERin the because you need like a key file or you put it in a library that does the decryption for it

50:21SPEAKERthat's what i mean i think there's like and then if i'm not mistaken that library grows as more

50:24SPEAKERdiscs come out i think that's probably right like you have to like they keep updating like the

50:29SPEAKERdefinitions for new discs that hit the market presumably blu-ray was if you want to talk about

50:33SPEAKERthings that are bad presumably blu-ray is the first one that they were able to sunset old

50:36SPEAKERplayers that their encryption didn't keep up with or that had bad encryption huh so presumably you

50:42SPEAKERcould have bought a blu-ray player that no longer works i don't think they ever actually did it

50:46SPEAKERokay except for for some software players like the cyber cyber link player that was the one that was

50:51SPEAKERthe initial release of the blu-ray keys but yeah bad news um the point is now though you kind of

50:58SPEAKERdon't need to do that because you can just pay forty dollars a month to netflix and ulu and

51:03SPEAKERamazon and disney and hbo max and get everything you need but blu-rays are so much imperceptibly

51:09SPEAKERhigher quality um when you scale the blu-rays up to 4k yeah they look a lot better than the

51:16SPEAKERstreams that i could definitely see uh you want should we talk about i think we skipped over

51:21SPEAKERdisplays and yeah we did that screens episode recently uh covered a lot of that stuff youtube

51:29SPEAKERwas an interesting like in 2010 youtube still had the 10 minute cap wow really yeah that's

51:35SPEAKERhard to remember yeah because when we started tested we our videos had to be less than 15

51:39SPEAKERminutes long if you want to put them on youtube that's wild yeah they they extended it to 10 and

51:44SPEAKERthen 15 almost immediately and then like months after that they were just like okay if you're

51:49SPEAKERif you're in the creator plan and you haven't gotten a bunch of strikes and shit go nuts just

51:54SPEAKERpost whatever you want but it's all but that was also around the time they launched content id

51:58SPEAKERwhich i think is the biggest scourge on on to online content creators it seems that way it's

52:05SPEAKERa squelch it has a real squelching effect yeah i can see that um content id is how youtube id

52:11SPEAKERidentifies copyrighted content and famously like if it identifies something you post as copyrighted

52:18SPEAKERcontent it gives all the revenue from that point on to the copyright holder presumed copyright

52:25SPEAKERholder but the thing is they don't really police the copyright holders at all there's no way to

52:29SPEAKERget that money back if they if you were in the right and they and the content copyright holder

52:33SPEAKERwas in the wrong i didn't know that no it's just gone wow and and like it tested we had so there

52:40SPEAKERwas some tv station in the philippines that uh subscribe that subscribed to the same royalty-free

52:45SPEAKERmusic library that we did so they would post their news clips with the royalty-free background track

52:50SPEAKERon and they claimed the royalty-free background track so they would claim all of our fucking

52:55SPEAKERvideos wow for like a two-week period until we got the the the um the yeah it's bad ideas garbage

53:03SPEAKERit's terrible yeah yeah so anyway i mean i knew it was open to abuse but i didn't know it was

53:08SPEAKERthat egregious yes that's really something and it took me a year to get those people

53:12SPEAKERkicked off so they couldn't claim shit anymore so it was like every week we would lose three

53:18SPEAKERdays worth of video traffic on a large portion of it anyway anyway yeah they have a problem of scale

53:22SPEAKERyeah content id sucks youtube is a mess yeah also fascism yes there's also that uh yeah we were

53:30SPEAKERtalking about streaming a little bit before this uh making this list like i can't remember what we

53:37SPEAKERstreamed on before twitch came around like i guess we probably used justin tv at some point i think

53:42SPEAKERyou were on ustream for a little bit the only other one i can even remember from that period

53:46SPEAKERi think we might have been on both variously you were on justin tv for those like for the basement

53:51SPEAKERthe very early tnts and stuff it was probably justin yeah that was justin if i had to guess

53:57SPEAKERyou remember the backpack stunt no when when who was justin i forget justin was one of the founders

54:03SPEAKERhe was one of the founders he built about his as his co-founder built a backpack right and they

54:08SPEAKERwent to some trade show when he went he walked around some trade show wearing a backpack full

54:12SPEAKERof like a laptop and streaming oh yeah he talked to tom merritt and cnn cnet right i had like had

54:17SPEAKERlike i assume i guess a camera on his head or something like that it was it was pinned to his

54:21SPEAKERbaseball cap it was just a big publicity stunt of him like live streaming some entire trade show but

54:26SPEAKERthen he had to keep doing it then he then he did it for 24 7 for like a year really yeah oh god

54:32SPEAKERthat sounds like a nightmare yeah this is like everything it was at tv and that's how they

54:36SPEAKERlaunched justin tv which is an insane name for a product yeah kind of well and then in 2011 they

54:43SPEAKERforked out all the game stuff because that seemed to be that was starting to take off then right

54:47SPEAKERstreaming games i think after you guys invented the let's play i don't think we quite i i i i

54:55SPEAKERlooked i did some research i think you guys i mean like like chronologically there were like the

55:00SPEAKERlet's play existed before us i think we were probably the first like commercial oh really i

55:06SPEAKERhad never i was never able to find anybody doing a complete playthrough like let's plays came from

55:10SPEAKERsomething awful oh really yeah like the i think slow beef is credited as the originator of the

55:16SPEAKERform good to know if i'm not mistaken but i think we were probably the first like commercial site

55:21SPEAKERbusiness in the games press category like doing the straight talk over games i might be wrong

55:25SPEAKERbut whatever i mean yeah we did that live at game spot yeah nobody nobody watched

55:33SPEAKERon the spot we did people sitting there playing games and talking but those were like five minute

55:38SPEAKERsegments yeah it was more interview format kind of stuff not quite the same thing it was you know

55:42SPEAKEReverything has a has a predecessor that's true it all one thing begat the next begat the next

55:48SPEAKERstanding on the shoulders of giants um but yeah so twitch worked off in 2011 justin tv got shut down

55:53SPEAKERin 2014 and at the time in order to stream a console game you need like a pretty substantial

55:59SPEAKERcapture cat setup because h264 encoding in hardware didn't really exist outside of commercial

56:07SPEAKERbroadcast gear then yeah so we were looking at a pretty expensive box and now like you can just

56:12SPEAKERstream it's all built into the CPUs and GPUs so you can stream straight from the console is that

56:17SPEAKERwhat that agile box that we had did was on an encoder a hardware encoder was it was that the

56:21SPEAKERone that had the hard drives in it no it looked like a piece of futuristic military gear it was

56:26SPEAKERlike a handle box and things slid out of the top it was like a brushed metal silverish color it had

56:30SPEAKERa big handle yeah that's an up down cross i bet so that changes that changes like 59.97 or 24 point

56:39SPEAKERor 29.999 whatever uh to 30 frames per second so you don't have to do any it does the pull down

56:47SPEAKERthe three to pull down the point is there was used to be a lot of expensive arcane hardware that no

56:51SPEAKERlonger is necessary yeah i mean the amount of money we spent on hardware the hardware that we

56:55SPEAKERspent hundreds of thousands of dollars on launching whiskey in 2010 in the basement with the real

57:00SPEAKERproduction studio yeah uh now is like a pc with like three 200 capture cards and the obs yep and

57:10SPEAKERand some cameras and shit it's the democratization of everything i mean look we talked about the

57:15SPEAKERpodcast setup that we use here i think before but this this would have been at least a couple

57:19SPEAKERof thousand dollars and it was maybe 800 bucks a grand you could you could our entire podcast

57:25SPEAKERsetup minus the headsets that we're talking into you could cram into your pockets yeah i would fit

57:30SPEAKERi fit this in my jacket a little mixer in the little recorder you could just yeah yeah we could

57:35SPEAKERjust do that we could just put we could we could uh battery up if uh we could put the headphones

57:40SPEAKERon just walk around doing outside walking around the world podcast sometimes is marvelously

57:44SPEAKERportable um do you want to talk about pcs sure a little bit the personal computer it's dead

57:50SPEAKERit's now a piece is it nobody uses them anymore i still love it pick up trucks i still love it

57:55SPEAKERi like my pc i will never not want to build a new pc i thought about buying one wow you've crossed

58:01SPEAKERover look when it goes well i thought i knew you it's great has it i don't want to blow my horn

58:09SPEAKERhere but i don't have i haven't had a lot of experiences with it not going well i'm i'm always

58:15SPEAKERlike this last transition from like sata to nvme and m2 pc express cards and all that stuff yeah

58:23SPEAKERthere's a little dark magic that happens okay sure i mean the thing i don't think i've ever

58:28SPEAKERhad is the get all excited spend the money get all the boxes in set aside time to build yeah hit

58:35SPEAKERpower button fail to post like that's the thing i don't think like like if i had one of those i

58:40SPEAKERthink that might be enough for me to question the process because that's so heartbreaking after all

58:44SPEAKERthat effort so i helped gary build his new computer a few months ago yeah and everything was working i

58:50SPEAKERleft he came back and he's like it's turning on it's staying on for like three seconds then turns

58:54SPEAKERright back that kind of stuff like some kind of ground issue or do you know what it was what was

58:58SPEAKERit fucking power button his case was bad so the power button was sticking and staying stuck on

59:04SPEAKERand it was just turning on and then as soon as it had been pressed down for three seconds

59:07SPEAKERit would turn back off again that's yeah unfortunate so like that kind of stuff really

59:12SPEAKEReats at you and like sure like in the old days i didn't realize it but like working max pc and

59:17SPEAKERthen it tested i had a safety net because like i had not infinite hardware but like if something

59:21SPEAKERbroke i could just go to the work the next day grab a spare power supply take it home swap swap

59:26SPEAKERstuff out to figure out what was broken yes and then had a loaner for long enough to get the new

59:30SPEAKERone the new one in the old one replaced and doing without that safety net it's terrifying yeah i

59:36SPEAKERcould see it yeah for sure um i've ever told you about the time i hot swapped my bios you ever had

59:41SPEAKERto do that jesus christ brad it was rough did you pull the the the the chip yeah while it was on

59:47SPEAKERlike a like a like a seamless one a big long with the prongs on the side yes that type of bios why

59:52SPEAKERthe fuck did you do that that's a terrible idea i tried to flash some kind of hacked bios this was

59:56SPEAKERin the heyday of also a terrible idea this was right around 2000 2001 god damn it probably i

1:00:01SPEAKERcan't remember why but i think it exposed maybe extra voltage features or something like that

1:00:04SPEAKERright it was just to get that extra 50 megahertz brad brad brad um oh brad i think i can't remember

1:00:10SPEAKERwhat happened but the flash went bad oh can't imagine and the pc wouldn't boot um but god i'm

1:00:18SPEAKERtrying to remember how this works now because it's been 20 years my roommate was out of town on a

1:00:22SPEAKERbusiness trip he just happened to have the exact same motherboard oh god so that now i remember

1:00:28SPEAKERwhat i did um i booted his pc waited for it to fully boot uh oh no if i'm trying to remember

1:00:37SPEAKERhow this went i think i pulled it while it was i pulled his bio from polar i can't remember how

1:00:42SPEAKERi did it you didn't just use your fingers the process maybe i don't know the process generally

1:00:47SPEAKERwas boot a pc with a good bias in it i'm shaking my head put the bad bios in after it's booted

1:00:52SPEAKERflash that bios good and turn it off and it worked it totally worked i totally was able

1:00:58SPEAKERto flash a good bias back onto the chip and put it back in and both machines were fine forever after

1:01:04SPEAKERwow that's the shit that i love about building pcs i mean look i love i love doing like a fancy

1:01:10SPEAKERwire job yeah i love doing the whole thing did you i don't want to interrupt or digress but did

1:01:16SPEAKERyou see the new back pro has no cables it's all just like zero cables well hardwired into the

1:01:21SPEAKERboard it's all contact that seems like it's worth thirty thousand dollars yeah i mean it's like

1:01:26SPEAKEReverything yeah everything is engineered to spec to have everything connected on the slots that's

1:01:30SPEAKERwhy it's like shoving everything into its its place and having it all just touch itself tim

1:01:35SPEAKERapple did a great job with that one anyway i'm sorry go ahead um no i was gonna say like i think

1:01:39SPEAKERthe big thing for me on this decade is the rise of the ssd okay like if you think about it um this

1:01:47SPEAKERmight have to be a two-parter at the rate we're going uh if you if you think about it

1:01:53SPEAKERlike there's not been anything that has done as much for your day-to-day like your computer just

1:01:59SPEAKERfeeling like a phone like that was the big like if you think about it in 2010 the phone was

1:02:04SPEAKERinstantaneous even though the processors were slower they were less capable because everything

1:02:08SPEAKERran off of flash like you launched an app and it opened right off there was no waiting for the

1:02:13SPEAKERdisk to spin back up and to find the sectors on the disk and and like the decreasing cost of ssd

1:02:18SPEAKERto the point that now you can get like a decent ssd for under a buck a gigabyte yeah under 10

1:02:24SPEAKERcents a gigabyte rather like two to 200 bucks for a two terabyte ssd is bananas this might be the

1:02:31SPEAKERnerdiest thing i've ever said but if you were to let's say rank the most important innovations in

1:02:36SPEAKERpc hardware in history like i've done this before i've done this exercise it was we did this in 2008

1:02:43SPEAKERi think at max pc game of the year for hardware it was a game of the game of the parts of the

1:02:48SPEAKERmillennium hardware of the technology like i would say i like like the ssd is a contender for maybe

1:02:54SPEAKERnumber one ssd is what uh um yeah i mean i i was like we we put usb at the top of the list

1:03:03SPEAKERyeah like the only the only knock against ssd is that it just makes an existing tech faster

1:03:08SPEAKERyeah it doesn't it doesn't enable new functionality really arguably it's more reliable

1:03:12SPEAKERmaybe depending on the some specifics i i think like the move to ssd was at least like top three

1:03:23SPEAKERbiggest upgrades in the history of pc building yeah like my i gave we got my mom a new laptop

1:03:28SPEAKERfor for christmas that i helped her set up at thanksgiving when i was there and she was this is

1:03:31SPEAKERincredibly fast it's like yeah it has an ssd model you had a computer that had an ssd before

1:03:37SPEAKEReverything just opens right away right yeah like to me it's to me it's usb graphics accelerators

1:03:42SPEAKERand ssd so those are the three yeah that's things that have made pc's good yeah in this day and age

1:03:48SPEAKERi think i think that's a good list i think that's a good i think that yeah um

1:03:54SPEAKERthe other thing that's happened is power consumption people started paying attention

1:03:57SPEAKERto power consumption because of the rise of mobile in the last decade yeah um i had a conversation

1:04:01SPEAKERwith an nvidia executive who shall remain nameless in like 2007 or 2008 post the geforce 5800 but

1:04:09SPEAKERpre uh tesla micro architecture which was like g the first gtx cards right so they were they were

1:04:17SPEAKERat a real low point they were they were at a point and he literally was like look they were talking

1:04:22SPEAKERabout they they were they asked me he started out by asking me how i would feel if i had to plug a

1:04:27SPEAKERpower brick into the video card yeah not this was post 45 6000 okay which never shipped never shipped

1:04:33SPEAKERi never actually made that was the only thing i ever saw that actually we have we got one of

1:04:36SPEAKERthose at maximum pc and it had a fucking huge chonker of a power brick yeah um but he was like

1:04:41SPEAKERhow would you plug into the wall plug it in to be clear this is a video card that plugs straight into

1:04:45SPEAKERa wall outlet yeah but it was still internal yeah because you put in a slot and then plugged in a

1:04:50SPEAKERdongle into the but anyway so he he asked he was like what how would you feel if we did the power

1:04:55SPEAKERbrick thing i was like oh like the buddha five six thousand he's like yeah like the buddha five

1:04:58SPEAKERsix thousand like i thought that was fucking stupid yeah was this was this before uh graphics

1:05:03SPEAKERcards needed to plug straight into the power supply this is when that was starting okay so

1:05:07SPEAKERthat started with the 5800 i think was when you needed a separate plug a power plug i feel like

1:05:13SPEAKERi remember even that being kind of scandalous and now it's just accepted now it's every card well i

1:05:17SPEAKERmean look if you go back my pentium 60 didn't have a cpu heat sink oh yeah it was just a bare cpu a

1:05:22SPEAKERceramic ceramic package on there it didn't even have a mind didn't even have that mine was just

1:05:26SPEAKERlike that naked ass sure cpu yeah um the point is he was like well here's our concern we are

1:05:34SPEAKERconcerned with the power capacity of an average home electrical circuit which is in the u.s 120

1:05:43SPEAKERvolts 15 amps like 1600 watts coming out of the wall and he was like we think that in a few years

1:05:49SPEAKERif things keep going at the rate they're going your gaming pc is going to absorb every amount

1:05:54SPEAKERall the electricity that that the the circuit breaker in the breaker box can provide to your

1:06:02SPEAKERoutlet and i was like that seems bad huh and then mobile stuff took off and they and like they

1:06:06SPEAKERstopped they started paying attention to like performance per watt so was was uh reduction in

1:06:12SPEAKERprocess size not a thing before mobile so reduction not a target for uh for development they they

1:06:18SPEAKERwould reduce process size but then they would just use the extra tdp to do one right back up again

1:06:22SPEAKERokay and also they didn't do things like there's really basic stuff that they started doing in the

1:06:27SPEAKERback half of the last decade or the first half of the last decade i guess that was like turning off

1:06:33SPEAKERparts of the cpu that aren't used right like and of the chips that aren't used so in prior to that

1:06:39SPEAKERyour cpu would just be running full bore the entire time and and like having variable clock

1:06:45SPEAKERspeeds for different parts of the chips and stuff like that would let them maximize efficiency

1:06:49SPEAKERwithout losing any capability at all right um i'm glad we didn't get to that dark future where

1:06:57SPEAKERwe needed to get like a 240 volt outlet terrible that would have been real bad um there's a we have

1:07:06SPEAKERa list here okay internet's gotten better both on the phones and the house we don't really need

1:07:11SPEAKERto talk about that but like those internet's fast yeah it's great fiber is great you should get fiber

1:07:16SPEAKERit theoretically is great when you don't have to pay by the byte yeah uh that's what's business

1:07:23SPEAKERpractices around g seems pretty good yeah this is business practices around the internet are terrible

1:07:27SPEAKERin a lot of cases but but the actual technology gets better and better yeah um here's some stuff

1:07:33SPEAKERthat didn't exist in 2010 okay virtual reality well in its current form sure in a usable form

1:07:41SPEAKERby humans there were yeah there were previous attempts let's say look i've never played what

1:07:46SPEAKERwas the name of the game with the dinosaurs i never played it so i don't know if it was good

1:07:52SPEAKERit looked bad yeah i think with the back with the crt on the front and then the 15 pound weight on

1:07:57SPEAKERthe back to counterbalance it bad for your neck yeah uh yeah the current current good iteration

1:08:02SPEAKERof vr it's worth mentioning a lot of the stuff that's on this list spun off directly from the

1:08:07SPEAKERrise of cheap either processing or cheap like ic's in terms of like accelerometers and gyroscopes

1:08:13SPEAKERbecause without accelerators and gyroscopes that cost nothing vr headsets wouldn't exist without

1:08:19SPEAKERinfrared anyway yeah um 3d printers uh they were toys they existed prior to 2010 but not really

1:08:26SPEAKERlike the first maker bot came out in 2008 i think not for consumers right kind of for consumers but

1:08:31SPEAKERthe ones that were like the first few the first consumer printers in the early 2010s were toys

1:08:37SPEAKERthey were for learning about 3d printing not for 3d printing or anybody that had a real one it was

1:08:41SPEAKERfor like industrial use some rapid prototyping stuff like that right and they cost hundreds of

1:08:46SPEAKERthousands that's what i mean yeah yeah um but now you can buy for like if you if you spend three

1:08:50SPEAKERthousand dollars on a 3d printer you get something that is a fucking amazing 3d printer people post

1:08:55SPEAKERphotos of things that uh i can't tell are 3d printed anymore like yeah but part of this is

1:08:59SPEAKERthat we don't work with you and see all your cool stuff from tested first hand anymore yeah but in

1:09:04SPEAKERmy mind stuff that's 3d printed still has that spaghetti look where it's like strings of weird

1:09:09SPEAKERcheap plastic well so like i see people post things now that like oh that looks like a ceramic

1:09:14SPEAKERfigurine or you know it looks like it's made out of a much nicer material than it actually is

1:09:17SPEAKERwell so the stuff has really advanced the fuse deposition printer is like the ones that we used

1:09:22SPEAKERto use it tested with the spaghetti the pooping out the cheap plastic those still exist and they're

1:09:27SPEAKERstill they still the difference is the resolution's gone up so they're like a tenth of a micron in

1:09:31SPEAKERsome cases on vertical slices maybe that's what it is so you just don't you can't see the lines as

1:09:35SPEAKERmuch um the other thing is that other technologies like like lithography printers and other types of

1:09:41SPEAKERprinters have come online that don't have those lines okay so they just look like a kind of fuzzy

1:09:47SPEAKERlike a slightly knurled surface and look really good um and and also people are doing things

1:09:56SPEAKERaround 3d printing so they'll like use a 3d printer to make something either that they're

1:10:03SPEAKERgonna cat like i think spacex rocket engines parts are 3d printed what you can 3d print titanium now

1:10:10SPEAKERwow adam printed a bulletproof iron man suit for an episode of savage builds this year they tested

1:10:16SPEAKERflew yeah he test the bulletproof he wasn't wearing it when they shot it but they put a

1:10:20SPEAKERballistics dummy in there and shot it and it was bulletproof okay um that's wild and then they made

1:10:25SPEAKERit fly because he's the jet pack that's not that's not real but there's a guy that has jet packs that

1:10:29SPEAKERwork sure uh you've got uh you've got home laser cutters on here which i feel like is very much in

1:10:34SPEAKERthat wheelhouse of like consumer maker type stuff yeah like those like you have to you know eight

1:10:41SPEAKERten i guess they have this 10 years ago you could go rent time at a cnc shop yeah probably and you

1:10:47SPEAKERget access to a laser cutter i've been hearing that people have them in their home was like

1:10:50SPEAKERterrifying to me i was like what well you can't buy lasers i feel like in 20 in the like early

1:10:56SPEAKER2000s boing boing ran a story about the people at myc resistor which was a maker space in that

1:11:03SPEAKERthat like maker bot and all those a lot of businesses spun out of um and they wanted to get

1:11:09SPEAKERa laser cutter but it cost 25 grand and they had to figure out a business case like so that they

1:11:14SPEAKERcould figure out how to raise the money to pay for it and they were like look if we charge 50 bucks

1:11:20SPEAKERan hour for for people who are part of the maker space then you can have we can have all the laser

1:11:27SPEAKERcutters we want and and now you can buy a laser cutter for like two three you can buy a cheap

1:11:31SPEAKERchinese laser cutter that'll last like not super long but we'll cut things for like 500 a thousand

1:11:37SPEAKERbucks you can buy a nice one for two grand like it's it's a it's a market it's a thing you can do

1:11:42SPEAKERyeah that's wild uh hey here's a fun trivia fact yeah you know what the most popular piece of

1:11:48SPEAKERof computer numerical controlled manufacturing is what cnc home cnc yeah do you know the home

1:11:56SPEAKERmost popular home cnc devices what the cricket what do you know the cricket is you know it's

1:12:01SPEAKERa vinyl cutter so you can buy them at like michaels and joann's and hobby lobby and craft shops

1:12:07SPEAKERand it's literally like a plotter that cuts vinyl and stickers and paper and stuff like that people

1:12:12SPEAKERuse them for crafting okay yeah that's cool yeah they've been around for years they're really good

1:12:16SPEAKERi did not know yeah um drones drones you like drones really fun conceptually yeah it's another

1:12:24SPEAKERone of those things it's kind of a double-edged thing if you've been drone racing no oh man that

1:12:29SPEAKERsounds fun we we gotta we'll have to hook up with the people who go drone racing in like the

1:12:33SPEAKERindustrial wastelands in south san francisco that sounds cool and it's you get out there it's like

1:12:37SPEAKERall it's like a robocop set yeah and then they're flying these 250 millimeter drones that are like

1:12:42SPEAKERthe size of a book like a hardback book okay and they're flying them through pipes and stuff and

1:12:46SPEAKERthat sounds cool and you wear the first person goggles somebody's wearing a first person yeah

1:12:50SPEAKERand then like you it's all analog so you just tune into the pilot you wants frequency oh wow

1:12:56SPEAKERand you can watch their perspective as they're flying huh it's very cool that's cool i mean

1:13:00SPEAKERobviously drones have enabled a lot of cool like filmmaking techniques and stuff like that like

1:13:04SPEAKERthey have a lot of cool applications but i want the mad max stuff they seem like they also have

1:13:07SPEAKERa lot of potential for abuse look everything on this list has potential for abuse i guess

1:13:11SPEAKERthat's kind of technology right except for self-driving cars oh that's definitely oh yeah

1:13:17SPEAKERall upside yeah we talked about that already yes but um self-driving cars voice recognition

1:13:23SPEAKERremember remember when dragon naturally speaking what was vaguely what was the first video game

1:13:28SPEAKERyou played that you had to yell at the tv to get it to do stuff oh man um or like plug your cheapo

1:13:34SPEAKERcreative labs yeah microphone into your sound blaster i was thinking about like i feel like

1:13:38SPEAKERthere was a xbox there were a series of xbox 360 games sure like wasn't it didn't you talk

1:13:42SPEAKERto a splinter cell maybe uh that sounds right there was a microphone for the expert was that

1:13:47SPEAKERghost recon maybe that might be right you had to give voice commands and it never worked that

1:13:51SPEAKERmight be right um but yeah it was a trifle it was a distraction nobody actually wanted it right like

1:13:58SPEAKERwhen did siri come along uh iphone 4s in 2011 okay so that's very much of this decade yeah

1:14:04SPEAKERthat was it was released during the first october cast okay um uh yeah siri alexa okay google all

1:14:12SPEAKERthat stuff came online this decade yeah and some of them are still terrible even series got you

1:14:18SPEAKERknow you can just see her with spotify now huh yeah you say hey siri open spotify and play so and

1:14:25SPEAKERso you know i don't know i feel like i would add to voice recognition uh voice synthesis

1:14:30SPEAKERnot that not that it didn't exist i mean dr spazo was around he sounded like a robot 25 years ago

1:14:36SPEAKERyeah but like so is all the speech coming out of those current the present day digital assistance

1:14:41SPEAKERis it all synthesized yeah they're not using any v like vo they're not like deforming any

1:14:45SPEAKERvo or anything like that it's purely machine they record phonemes and build a model based on people's

1:14:52SPEAKERvoices or generate one okay it's gotten very good tatum's company does that now like you have they

1:15:00SPEAKERhave demos where they you can you there's a there's a web page that you can go to and you

1:15:05SPEAKERcan make tatum say anything you want because his is one of the demo voices you can train train it

1:15:09SPEAKERto use your voice yeah shelby's in there too thanks sounds dangerous it is it is dangerous

1:15:14SPEAKERyou know but the point is like that feels like one of those things that's just going to further

1:15:18SPEAKERruin the political process in the very near future look there's the video stuff is way worse yeah but

1:15:23SPEAKERyeah you can with just a few minutes of footage of recording you can train somebody's voice wow like

1:15:30SPEAKERif somebody wanted to make models of our voices given the number of hours of podcast recordings

1:15:34SPEAKERthere are of us they could do that very easily great yeah cool yeah um real-time ray tracing

1:15:42SPEAKERthat's the thing now we just talked about that a few weeks ago machine learning machine look

1:15:49SPEAKERthere's a there's a thing that the reason i signed up for google photos and started storing my photos

1:15:54SPEAKERthere instead of backing them up locally and like having a hard drive that i kept off site

1:15:58SPEAKERis that i can type dog into google photos and it pulls up all the pictures of dogs in those photos

1:16:05SPEAKERand that's because we've been training google's machine learning photo recognition algorithms

1:16:10SPEAKERwith captchas for the last 15 years now so wait do they really harvest that data for that purpose

1:16:15SPEAKERyeah what the fuck do you think that's for oh i thought it was just to keep crawlers and oh well

1:16:20SPEAKERthat's that's the stated reason the real reason is well that's what i mean i didn't realize that

1:16:24SPEAKERthey were using it for two things the reason that's a free service is that it lets them they

1:16:29SPEAKERknow now where all the traffic what what what traffic lights look like from every single mine

1:16:33SPEAKERare always traffic lights and crosswalks that's all i get these days yeah cars occasionally buses

1:16:37SPEAKERhills sometimes oh you get hills i've never had hills i had playgrounds i had like swing sets one

1:16:43SPEAKERtime okay um but yeah they use that stuff to collect to to train the machine the machine

1:16:50SPEAKERvision algorithm that's efficient i'll give them that uh private space flight we don't need to get

1:16:55SPEAKERinto that but yeah that's the thing that didn't uh that happened uh when when this uh burt rotan's

1:17:01SPEAKERteam won the x-prize then sorry x-prize and video calls we talked about face time face time face

1:17:07SPEAKERtime i mean you could video call on skype before that but for whatever reason holding the phone up

1:17:12SPEAKERin front of you makes it much easier yeah indeed it does um there's probably a lot of stuff we left

1:17:17SPEAKERout off this list but yeah feel free to send us emails at techpod at content.town yeah but it

1:17:22SPEAKERfeels like it really feels like the world today is extremely different than it was 10 years ago

1:17:27SPEAKERcompared to like i said the the 10-year span before that just sort of feeling like a

1:17:31SPEAKERslightly that faster version of the same life you had already been living i mean you could

1:17:36SPEAKERin the 10 years before that like the big things were that you could buy things online that you

1:17:40SPEAKERcouldn't buy like commerce on the internet became a thing in that 10 years yeah right because like

1:17:45SPEAKERi've gone back and looked at my amazon purchase history and the first stuff i ever bought was

1:17:48SPEAKERcollege textbooks for me it was like books and dvds like right around the turn of the century

1:17:53SPEAKERright around 2000 it was just like college textbooks for the first couple years yeah and then

1:17:58SPEAKERat some point it just became everything well i remember buying like i remember in the early

1:18:04SPEAKER2000s everybody was stealing music like crazy sure and i remember signing up for listen.com

1:18:12SPEAKERwhich was like the first one of the first streaming services made by real or bought by real

1:18:18SPEAKERand i used that for a little bit but they didn't really have the music i wanted

1:18:22SPEAKERand then the ria people got scared enough that they let apple and amazon and all these other

1:18:27SPEAKERplaces sell all their music and then like drm went away and but but still you couldn't buy

1:18:34SPEAKERmovies like like if you think about it you couldn't buy digital movies until really the

1:18:39SPEAKERapple tv launched um it's it's it was a weird you're right it was very incremental like the

1:18:47SPEAKERpcs were faster and more capable he went from like windows 95 era 98 era os's to windows nt based

1:18:54SPEAKERstuff right all that but the the the phone you could see the hint of it with phones right but

1:19:00SPEAKERyeah it's you're you're totally right it's not to say that nothing happened the previous decade but

1:19:04SPEAKERthe uh how can i put it like the i feel like the untethering of technology has been the big story

1:19:10SPEAKERthis decade right like yeah everything everything is connected and yet not touching anymore well i

1:19:14SPEAKERremember one of the last keynotes that bill gates did at ces he talked about the three screens they

1:19:20SPEAKERwanted three screens and they wanted i feel like this the three screens were the living room the

1:19:25SPEAKERphone and the pc and it seemed a little crazy at the time because at the at that point like phones

1:19:31SPEAKERwere dumb and the living room was mostly dumb and the xbox one the the og xbox one the first xbox

1:19:41SPEAKERwas not a smart device per se like i think you'd buy games on it toward the end of its life but

1:19:46SPEAKERlike it was mostly a thing you put discs into and games play it yeah and over the next 10 years that

1:19:53SPEAKERplan like the 360 and then the xbox one and the phones the rise of the phones and all that it

1:20:00SPEAKEReventually happened yeah i remember i remember hearing that pitch from them yeah and thinking

1:20:04SPEAKERwow that sounds far-fetched yeah maybe it'll happen i don't know but here we are i mean look

1:20:09SPEAKERi paused something i paused a movie i was watching last night in the living room walk back to the

1:20:13SPEAKERbedroom i'm pretty sure that was an at&t ad in the 90s it was like here's some future shit that

1:20:18SPEAKERyou're gonna be able to do that's a good example of what i'm talking about yeah the just the

1:20:22SPEAKERinsanely thorough connectedness of everything now well and then it doesn't all have to be

1:20:27SPEAKERcorporate like i watched a lot of stuff on plex yeah which is my own collection it's neat it's

1:20:32SPEAKERthe future yeah and you know we've talked about stuff like uh using like homebrew things like

1:20:36SPEAKERhomebridge to make a bunch of yeah home automation devices that shouldn't work together work together

1:20:41SPEAKERyeah that stuff's glue taking taking the control back from the corporations digital glue yes um i

1:20:48SPEAKERguess that'll do it for us this decade yeah that was a thorough yeah that was thorough also i was

1:20:53SPEAKERgonna say this has been a hell of a span in human history it has been a lot of 10 years yeah for

1:20:59SPEAKERwhatever reason the last three feel like they're about a hundred oh yeah i don't know sure more

1:21:04SPEAKERgray hair uh well let's reconvene uh a year from now and discuss the next hundred years of history

1:21:10SPEAKERyeah and in a decade it'll be another thousand so if we make it that far time we'll lose all meaning

1:21:16SPEAKERum yeah okay i will we'll see you guys next week uh hey we're doing questions next week

1:21:24SPEAKERwe'll probably record this before you hear this yes um and by probably i mean 100 percent yeah

1:21:29SPEAKERbut you can send your next set of questions into techpod at content.town we're doing a question

1:21:33SPEAKERepisode basically every month yeah we've been getting some good ones yeah some interesting

1:21:36SPEAKERreal bangers yeah sure okay we'll see you all next week