00:00SPEAKERI built something last night and I want to show it to you.
00:03SPEAKERAnd this is a bad audio podcast, but I know.
00:05SPEAKEROkay. You said it, not me.
00:07SPEAKERWow.
00:09SPEAKERI built the Lego NES.
00:10SPEAKERHang on, can you hold that back up?
00:11SPEAKERI'll try to paint a word picture.
00:13SPEAKERI'll describe this tableau.
00:14SPEAKERPaint a word picture.
00:15SPEAKERWait, is that mushroom a slice of pizza?
00:18SPEAKERIt's a quarter round flat piece of Lego.
00:23SPEAKERI don't think mushrooms come in triangular shape.
00:25SPEAKERLook, there's a reason the mushroom is triangular,
00:26SPEAKERbut I can't tell you that without spoilers, okay?
00:29SPEAKEROh, wait, the goombas are also triangular.
00:31SPEAKERBut you want to see the best part of this thing?
00:33SPEAKERLet me bring it over to the microphone.
00:36SPEAKERWow.
00:38SPEAKERIt's like a 1-1 flip book.
00:41SPEAKERIt's like a tank tread 1-1.
00:43SPEAKERIs that actual 1-1?
00:44SPEAKERCan you hold it back up?
00:45SPEAKERIt's actual 1-1.
00:45SPEAKERIt's like the back half of 1-1.
00:46SPEAKERIt's after the second pitfall.
00:48SPEAKERI did not look at...
00:50SPEAKEROh yeah, okay, sure.
00:51SPEAKERYeah, it's after the secondary...
00:52SPEAKERIt's like after the pipes before you get to the three stack of the 3-2-1
00:58SPEAKERlike block with the star at the top.
01:00SPEAKERDid you follow a plan for that or did you actually lay out that level design yourself?
01:05SPEAKERYou know, I just pulled it from my brain.
01:06SPEAKERNo, of course I followed a plan.
01:07SPEAKERAre you kidding?
01:08SPEAKERGood God, man.
01:09SPEAKERI don't know.
01:09SPEAKERI'm not that kind of...
01:10SPEAKERI'm okay at Lego, but I am not build 1-1 out of a bunch of Lego pieces in my head good at Lego.
01:17SPEAKEREven after all this time, I don't know if I've got the best read on how technically inclined you are.
01:23SPEAKERLook, I am really, really good at following instructions.
01:26SPEAKEROkay, sure.
01:27SPEAKERAnd I can take two technologies that already exist and glue them together pretty effectively.
01:34SPEAKERThe coolest thing I ever figured out was how to get eye movement right in FU,
01:38SPEAKERwhich was we weighted every object in the world with the material system
01:42SPEAKERin the thing we built and with general levels of interest.
01:47SPEAKERAnd then we built a gradient that had a fractional, given some IP here, away today, I guess.
01:54SPEAKERWe had a gradient that started with the center point of where your eye is pointing,
01:57SPEAKERthe ray that comes straight out from your eye.
02:00SPEAKERAnd the number got lower the further you got away from there.
02:04SPEAKERSo those two things multiplied by each other.
02:06SPEAKERAnd then your eye just looked at the thing that was the most interesting in that cone of view.
02:11SPEAKERAnd that gave you pretty good eye movements and saccades and let you focus on things like
02:17SPEAKERother people's eyeballs and mouths and watch the objects that they're holding and things like that.
02:22SPEAKERNow, whoever is defining what is arbitrarily interesting in the scene
02:25SPEAKERsuddenly has a lot of power over how the eyes work.
02:29SPEAKERYeah, we had a really fun one where we left a decimal point out one time.
02:32SPEAKERAnd there was a beaker in one of the episodes that was just the most interesting thing in the world.
02:37SPEAKERSo everybody's eyes tracked it, whether it was in front of them or not.
02:39SPEAKERI wish we lived in a world where a beaker was the most interesting thing to go.
02:43SPEAKERLook, Brad, the thing that was worrisome was when you turned away from the beaker,
02:45SPEAKERyour eyes stayed locked onto the beaker.
02:47SPEAKERSo your eyes just rolled back into your head the further you went.
02:52SPEAKERAnd the worst part is there's bigger eyes on the back of the eyeballs in the Fusho models.
02:58SPEAKERWhy?
02:59SPEAKERWe tried two different size eyes and it was easier to just
03:02SPEAKERdo them again than it was to replace them.
03:04SPEAKERYou can just peel off the back eye?
03:07SPEAKERLook, man, we're not in the eye peeling business here.
03:10SPEAKERWe're making VR content.
03:11SPEAKERIt's not eye peeling you do on your own.
03:14SPEAKERThat's some saw business.
03:15SPEAKERWe're not making that kind of, we're making family-friendly content, Brad.
03:19SPEAKERVR.
03:21SPEAKERIt's for kids.
03:45SPEAKER[Music]
03:51SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.
03:53SPEAKERI'm Will.
03:54SPEAKERI'm Brad.
03:55SPEAKERHow you doing, Brad?
03:56SPEAKERI'm doing well.
03:56SPEAKERI've noticed that I've felt a little bit of an announcer voice on that intro.
03:59SPEAKERI'm Brad.
04:01SPEAKERI'm Brad.
04:03SPEAKERI'm always jealous of like the radio color guys that sit in the booth and have like,
04:07SPEAKERjust like their whole job is to be interesting and have good voices.
04:11SPEAKERFor sure, you know who, who I feel like is a, as an underappreciated voice is Rod Roddy.
04:16SPEAKEROh, Price is Right announcer Rod Roddy.
04:18SPEAKERYes.
04:19SPEAKERCome on down.
04:20SPEAKERYeah.
04:21SPEAKERCome on down to that.
04:21SPEAKERNow that's a line.
04:22SPEAKERCome on down.
04:24SPEAKERYou're the next contestant.
04:25SPEAKERDo you, do you think, well, okay.
04:27SPEAKERFirst off, how far back do you think he, like he has to have a radio announcer mic, right?
04:32SPEAKERLike he has a big, like an old timey.
04:34SPEAKERI don't know.
04:35SPEAKERLike Bob Barker was famous for the skinny mic.
04:38SPEAKERI don't know if there, is there a name for that thing?
04:41SPEAKERThe one that, well, Vinnie bought one.
04:43SPEAKERRight.
04:43SPEAKERWhen we were at whiskey, remember?
04:44SPEAKERI remember everyone was very excited that we got the Price is Right mic.
04:47SPEAKERIt was, it was.
04:48SPEAKERRyan in particular, I seem to remember was, I mean, there was, but there was also like,
04:52SPEAKERafter we got back to CBS, there was always talk of going and shooting something on the
04:56SPEAKERPrice is Right set.
04:56SPEAKERI think there was a lot of Price is Right fandom in that group.
05:00SPEAKERI mean, I love Price is Right.
05:01SPEAKERI don't, I don't, I don't know what it is.
05:04SPEAKERLike, okay.
05:06SPEAKERThe Price is Right thing.
05:07SPEAKERThere's so many good stories about the Price is Right.
05:08SPEAKERLike there's the guy that, that made the spreadsheet of all the prices and realized
05:12SPEAKERthat they just use the same prices over and over again.
05:14SPEAKERIf he memorized a few thousand things, then he could exactly hit the price every time.
05:18SPEAKERWait, hang on.
05:19SPEAKERThere was a card counter, but for the Price is Right?
05:21SPEAKEROh, did you not, have you never heard this story?
05:23SPEAKERI don't think so.
05:24SPEAKEROh, it's incredible.
05:24SPEAKERThey did a documentary about him.
05:26SPEAKERHe, he, he like tracked the prices on things for years and went to sit on the show every
05:32SPEAKERday.
05:33SPEAKERAnd one day he, you know, they, they, they knew him and one day they put him on.
05:36SPEAKERRight.
05:37SPEAKERAnd he hit the showcase, he hit the first round where you have to guess to get on the
05:41SPEAKERcontest.
05:41SPEAKERExactly.
05:42SPEAKERRight.
05:42SPEAKERI want to say he missed the second round, but he rolled well in the, in the, on the spin,
05:47SPEAKERspin the big wheel bit.
05:49SPEAKERSo he went to the showcase and he hit the showcase exactly on the dollar.
05:53SPEAKERNo way.
05:54SPEAKERYeah.
05:54SPEAKERBut did you get something special for doing that?
05:56SPEAKERI forget.
05:57SPEAKERYeah.
05:57SPEAKERYou get both showcases if you're within a hundred bucks.
05:59SPEAKERWow.
06:00SPEAKERAnd they thought he cheated.
06:02SPEAKERThey thought he was cheating.
06:02SPEAKERThey thought he had like somebody on the inside or something like that.
06:04SPEAKERSo they never had the episode was right after Drew Carey took over and, and like when they
06:09SPEAKERtalked to Drew Carey about it, Drew Carey was like, look, I took over this thing that
06:12SPEAKERhad been running for 60 years or 50 years or something.
06:14SPEAKERAnd I was afraid that two months in I had killed it.
06:16SPEAKERRight.
06:19SPEAKERIt's fabulous.
06:20SPEAKERI'll dig it up.
06:20SPEAKERI'll put it in the show notes.
06:21SPEAKERHang on.
06:21SPEAKERDo you kill the show by running an episode with someone who you think cheated or do you
06:25SPEAKERkill it by not honoring your obligation to a guy who won?
06:28SPEAKERBut you kill the show by allowing cheaters to prosper.
06:31SPEAKERBut is that cheating?
06:32SPEAKERNo, it's not.
06:33SPEAKERThat's the thing that doesn't sound like cheating to me.
06:35SPEAKERThey, they messed up, but it's, it's the thing that they'd been doing for years.
06:38SPEAKERAnd nobody had, nobody had like internetized it and, you know, done the, see, I wrapped
06:42SPEAKERit back around.
06:43SPEAKERSo it's a technology thing.
06:44SPEAKERWait.
06:44SPEAKERSo do they, did they ever make good on the prices?
06:46SPEAKERI assume he got the prices.
06:47SPEAKERI don't think they ever aired the episode.
06:49SPEAKERAnd that's, I bet, I bet for somebody being that big a fan of that show, I bet that's
06:53SPEAKERthe real tragedy.
06:54SPEAKERHe used to, he's one of those people who used to go on the show every day and he would
06:57SPEAKERsit in the audience and yell prices to people and was always right.
07:01SPEAKERLike just always consistently right.
07:03SPEAKERPrices, right.
07:04SPEAKERDocumentary, perfect bid, the contestant who knew too much.
07:07SPEAKERYeah.
07:08SPEAKERAnd, and when I think about it, it may be one layer deeper.
07:11SPEAKERCause it may be the person who made the perfect bid was sitting in the, was, was not the
07:16SPEAKERperson who had done the homework because they knew not to put him on.
07:19SPEAKERIt may have been that he was sitting next to the guy's wife and they were yelling.
07:23SPEAKERHe was yelling the number to them, to the person who made the perfect bid.
07:26SPEAKERAnd then the guy who made the perfect bid, I think didn't want to acknowledge that he
07:30SPEAKERhad taken the bid from somebody in the audience.
07:32SPEAKERIt's it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a real web, Brad.
07:36SPEAKERIt's on Netflix.
07:36SPEAKERIt turns out perfect bid.
07:38SPEAKERHighly recommended.
07:39SPEAKERI watched it like five years ago.
07:40SPEAKERIt's it's, it's really good.
07:41SPEAKEROr before the pandemic, maybe I can't remember which.
07:44SPEAKERYeah.
07:44SPEAKERYou should, you would like it.
07:45SPEAKERI believe if you were, I can't believe you didn't ever do anything on prices, right.
07:48SPEAKEROn the prices, right.
07:49SPEAKERSet.
07:49SPEAKERUh, I mean, that was like a boy, wouldn't that be cool if kind of thing.
07:52SPEAKERAnd then it's like, Oh, that would have to go through eight layers of people who don't
07:55SPEAKERgive a shit about us.
07:56SPEAKERIf they even know we exist.
07:58SPEAKERI was going to say I would have murdered everyone up to and including Drew Carey to do that.
08:01SPEAKERSo it's like shooting inside the big brother house.
08:03SPEAKERI don't think I don't really like, I like big brother.
08:05SPEAKERIt's entertaining.
08:05SPEAKERThe contests are good.
08:07SPEAKERI, I would love to get to walk around inside that house and see what a fucking disaster
08:11SPEAKERit is after those people live in there for 90 days, it's gotta be real.
08:15SPEAKERDuded.
08:16SPEAKERNo, thank you.
08:16SPEAKERI think I, if I remember, I think the talk was of like, Oh, how great would it be to
08:20SPEAKERdo game of the year segments on the prices, right?
08:22SPEAKERSet.
08:23SPEAKERThat would be amazing.
08:24SPEAKERLike how that's pretty tailor made for that.
08:26SPEAKERAnyway.
08:27SPEAKERDo you think they'd let you put like stuff on the wheel?
08:29SPEAKERThat's the thing.
08:30SPEAKERChange the letters, how operational is the equipment when nobody's there?
08:33SPEAKERRight.
08:33SPEAKERCould you, could you, could you do the, the, the yodeler?
08:37SPEAKERCould you do, could you play Plinko?
08:39SPEAKERI don't know.
08:39SPEAKERWhere does all that stuff live?
08:40SPEAKERThere's a warehouse.
08:42SPEAKERYeah, I guess so.
08:43SPEAKERIt's gotta be a warehouse.
08:44SPEAKERAll those machines must be pretty mobile on wheels, casters.
08:47SPEAKERThey're all on a lifty dollies.
08:49SPEAKERI bet the ones that had the foot, you know, the foot lift and doll.
08:52SPEAKERAnyway, lifty dollies, lifty dollies, technical term.
08:55SPEAKERIt's my favorite fifties musical.
08:57SPEAKERBrad, I have cues.
08:59SPEAKEROh.
09:00SPEAKERWell, I guess you have cues technically.
09:02SPEAKERI have a bunch of cues.
09:03SPEAKERI believe you have cue.
09:04SPEAKERI have cue.
09:05SPEAKERWe're going to turn them into A's though today.
09:07SPEAKERThat's what we do here at the last episode of the month.
09:09SPEAKERThat's true.
09:10SPEAKERYou have one cue from the email inbox?
09:13SPEAKERI do.
09:14SPEAKERYou mean techpod@content.town?
09:16SPEAKERI do mean that one.
09:18SPEAKERI'm sorry.
09:19SPEAKERI do mean techpod@content.town.
09:20SPEAKERThank you.
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09:38SPEAKERAnd then once a month we pull out the best questions, or at least the ones that strike
09:41SPEAKERour fancy, you know, it's not really a value judgment.
09:43SPEAKERIt's more like, Hey, do I want to answer this or not?
09:45SPEAKERAnd we answer the questions.
09:47SPEAKERProbably not about orange pants though.
09:49SPEAKERSo sorry Warbird.
09:52SPEAKERDo you want to read this one or you want me to read it?
09:53SPEAKERYou go forward.
09:55SPEAKERI believe this blog article about the power of Janet Jackson may be of some interest.
09:59SPEAKERJintor.
10:00SPEAKERYes.
10:00SPEAKERSo you didn't see this going around last week.
10:02SPEAKERNo, I was pretty busy last week.
10:04SPEAKERThat's fair.
10:04SPEAKERYeah.
10:05SPEAKERIt was, it kind of is one of those things that just sort of blew up on tech Twitter for an afternoon.
10:09SPEAKERYeah.
10:10SPEAKERAnd it's like, if you, if you're logged out for the three hours and something like this
10:12SPEAKERis going around, then it's, you never see it basically.
10:17SPEAKERRight.
10:17SPEAKERSo this is a it's a blog post on like devblogs.microsoft.com,
10:23SPEAKERwhich gather is just where some Microsoft developers blog.
10:26SPEAKERAre you familiar with the name Raymond chin?
10:28SPEAKERYeah.
10:28SPEAKERRaymond.
10:29SPEAKERHe's he's a person who's been working on windows stuff for a really long time.
10:34SPEAKEROkay.
10:34SPEAKERGreat books and stuff.
10:35SPEAKERHe's a channel nine guy too.
10:36SPEAKERI believe it's channel nine.
10:38SPEAKERIt's MSDNs and Microsoft developer networks, like internal content, TV stuff.
10:43SPEAKEROkay.
10:44SPEAKEROkay.
10:44SPEAKERYeah.
10:44SPEAKERWhen this was making the rounds, a bunch of people were like, Oh, Raymond chin, like,
10:47SPEAKERlike he was a known figure and I hadn't heard of him before.
10:50SPEAKERA very short version.
10:52SPEAKERThis is about God.
10:53SPEAKERWhen is this from?
10:55SPEAKERIt's like 98, early two thousands.
10:58SPEAKERRoughly windows XP era is what he says.
11:00SPEAKERHe doesn't put a date on this.
11:02SPEAKERWhat was this in their hardware testing lab, compatibility lab or something?
11:06SPEAKERYeah, this is a normal, this is part of the normal Janet Jackson benchmark test.
11:11SPEAKERYes.
11:11SPEAKERThe rhythm nation test suite.
11:13SPEAKERYeah.
11:15SPEAKERYeah.
11:15SPEAKERThey found that playing the music video for rhythm nation on these laptops would straight
11:19SPEAKERup crash them and maybe destroy the hard drive.
11:22SPEAKERAnd then they found that it was also happening to competitors laptops.
11:26SPEAKERAnd it happened like two machines that weren't connected to each other, but were adjacent
11:30SPEAKERto each other.
11:31SPEAKERThen they finally found it was happening to like other laptops surrounding the laptop
11:35SPEAKERplaying the video.
11:37SPEAKERYep.
11:37SPEAKERIt turns out that the song contained one of the natural resonant frequencies for the model
11:41SPEAKERof 5,400 RPM laptop, hard drives that these laptops and other manufacturers used.
11:48SPEAKERSo like the natural resonant frequency, this is like the idea that this is why you can't
11:51SPEAKERride horses across the golden gate bridge is because the frequency of when their feet
11:57SPEAKERhit is, is we'll, we'll make the bridge vibrate and then wobble.
12:02SPEAKERLike the Tacoma narrows bridge did in 1940.
12:04SPEAKERAre you making this up?
12:05SPEAKERNo, this is a true thing.
12:06SPEAKERIs that really, you're not allowed to ride horses a lot of across a lot of bridges.
12:09SPEAKERWow.
12:10SPEAKERYeah.
12:11SPEAKERHuh?
12:11SPEAKERI wouldn't, I wouldn't think magnitude.
12:14SPEAKERLike I could, I could see, I could see the frequencies lining up, but I wouldn't think
12:17SPEAKERthat it would be strong enough to actually.
12:19SPEAKERWell, see the thing is each, each impact multiplies.
12:22SPEAKEROh, sure.
12:23SPEAKERSo you hit, you hit at the right point of the wave.
12:25SPEAKERIt's like, it's like when you're on a trampoline, you know, you're on a trampoline, two people
12:28SPEAKERwere on the trampoline, right?
12:29SPEAKEROne person goes up, right?
12:31SPEAKERWhen they, when would they hit the next person hits and you, and the person gets heated up
12:35SPEAKEReven higher.
12:35SPEAKERSo the horses do that, but with bridges and then tragedy.
12:40SPEAKEROkay.
12:40SPEAKERSo if I ever want to grind San Francisco to a halt.
12:43SPEAKERYeah.
12:44SPEAKERJust ride, just get a stampede of horses across the bridge.
12:47SPEAKERIt's also, this is also why when soldiers are marching and they cross a bridge, they
12:53SPEAKERdon't march in unison anymore.
12:55SPEAKERThey, they, they vary their foot rhythm.
12:57SPEAKERInteresting.
12:58SPEAKERYeah.
12:58SPEAKERThey're like Fremen.
12:59SPEAKERI'm sorry.
13:00SPEAKERThey're like what?
13:00SPEAKERFremen, you know, from Dune, they, they don't walk with the pattern cause the sandworms
13:04SPEAKERwill eat them.
13:04SPEAKERIt's the same thing, except for, you know, less resonant frequencies there and more horrible
13:08SPEAKERgiant monsters.
13:09SPEAKERI've never experienced Dune in any form.
13:11SPEAKERWell, I know what our next movie is.
13:13SPEAKERGreat.
13:14SPEAKERIs that tech enough?
13:15SPEAKERYeah.
13:16SPEAKERIs it?
13:16SPEAKERI'm going to say yes.
13:17SPEAKERHuh?
13:18SPEAKERInteresting.
13:19SPEAKERAnd look, the new one's good.
13:20SPEAKERI like it a lot, but we're watching the David Lynch one first cause you can't appreciate
13:24SPEAKERthe new one without having the madness of horny sting as, as, uh, as the young Harkonnen.
13:31SPEAKERAnd poor war games just got its place in line jumped.
13:34SPEAKERSorry, war games.
13:35SPEAKERSo, so this blog goes on to say the manufacturer worked around this problem by adding a custom
13:39SPEAKERfilter in the audio pipeline that detected and removed the offending frequencies during
13:43SPEAKERaudio playback.
13:44SPEAKERYou think, is he talking about a hardware filter?
13:46SPEAKERMy guess is a software filter.
13:48SPEAKEROh yeah.
13:48SPEAKEROkay.
13:49SPEAKERYeah.
13:49SPEAKERHe said a digital version of a do not remove sticker on that audio filter.
13:52SPEAKERSo it must be software.
13:53SPEAKERYeah.
13:53SPEAKERIt's a commented in code.
13:55SPEAKERYeah.
13:56SPEAKERBut then that wouldn't survive like an OS swap.
13:59SPEAKERLike what if you put Linux on that?
14:01SPEAKERWell, it's probably just downhill, right?
14:03SPEAKEROh yeah.
14:04SPEAKERIt's probably not in the Linux, but it's probably like all subsequent versions of windows.
14:06SPEAKEROh yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:07SPEAKERJust filter out.
14:08SPEAKERThat's why I mean, if you put something other than windows on here.
14:11SPEAKERI wonder, I wonder, I wonder if I play rhythm nation on my computer now, if it's still
14:15SPEAKERfiltering, like, I wonder if I'm not hearing rhythm nation all these years later as Janet
14:19SPEAKERJackson intended it to be heard because of this audio filter.
14:23SPEAKERWe as a nation have been robbed.
14:25SPEAKERIt's less of a rhythm nation than it was before.
14:28SPEAKERThat's that's man.
14:29SPEAKERYou're telling me.
14:30SPEAKERThanks.
14:30SPEAKERWindows XP.
14:31SPEAKERThis is a funny story.
14:32SPEAKERI like that would have been perplexing the computers crashing computers adjacent to,
14:37SPEAKERbut not connected to that's a good one, but that was a fun one to diagnose.
14:41SPEAKERYeah.
14:42SPEAKERI wonder how many hard drives they killed figuring that out.
14:44SPEAKERThat's my question.
14:46SPEAKERToo many.
14:47SPEAKERIt was a lot.
14:47SPEAKERToo many have fallen.
14:49SPEAKERYeah.
14:50SPEAKEROkay.
14:50SPEAKERI actually didn't say that.
14:52SPEAKERDid he say killed them or it was just crashing them?
14:54SPEAKERLike it maybe just temporarily disrupted them.
14:56SPEAKERI assume when you're talking about resonant failures on hard drives and that means splatters
15:00SPEAKERstarted wobbling and whacking into things.
15:02SPEAKERSure, sure.
15:04SPEAKERThe literal definition of a crash.
15:06SPEAKERFair.
15:07SPEAKEROkay.
15:07SPEAKERLet's move on to Discord questions.
15:10SPEAKERHere is one from Quasar.
15:13SPEAKERWhy don't either of you have a Wikipedia page?
15:16SPEAKERI do not fit the, I do not attain the noteworthiness guidelines and, or no one has ever made one
15:23SPEAKERfor me and, or I am not going to make my own Wikipedia page because that is sad.
15:28SPEAKERYes.
15:28SPEAKERThe latter two of those were my answer.
15:30SPEAKERI didn't realize, do they actually have like stringent guidelines for who can have a page?
15:33SPEAKERI didn't, I didn't, I thought it was fairly loose.
15:35SPEAKERI thought, I thought it was much more down to did somebody care enough to go make one
15:39SPEAKERand not, not as much like, Oh, you have to meet some bar.
15:42SPEAKERThere's a bar.
15:43SPEAKERIs there really?
15:44SPEAKERYeah.
15:46SPEAKERHold on.
15:47SPEAKERNotoriety.
15:49SPEAKERYou have to be a certain level of notoriety to warrant a Wikipedia page.
15:52SPEAKEROh yeah.
15:52SPEAKERNotability.
15:53SPEAKERNotability.
15:54SPEAKERThat's it.
15:55SPEAKERNotability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.
16:00SPEAKERI know this because I, for a while in the olden times, I used to like to go to people who
16:08SPEAKERdidn't have the right notability for a Wikipedia page and put the tag that this does not meet the
16:13SPEAKERnotability guidelines on their pages.
16:15SPEAKEROh man.
16:16SPEAKERThat's ruthless.
16:17SPEAKERNot friends, just to be clear.
16:19SPEAKERI mean, you, I'm sure you have seen the individual person Wikipedia pages that are very clearly
16:25SPEAKERcontributed to by said person.
16:26SPEAKERAlmost all of them that are not like actual celebrities or famous people.
16:30SPEAKERThe ones, the ones that are extremely glowing about the person's achievements.
16:34SPEAKERYes.
16:35SPEAKERThe one that looks like they just copied and pasted their CV.
16:38SPEAKERYeah.
16:39SPEAKERI'm not going to go through this.
16:41SPEAKERI've got the general notability guidelines in front of me, but.
16:44SPEAKERYep.
16:45SPEAKERI was on the maximum PC page for a long time and I, there used to be a tested page.
16:48SPEAKERI don't know if they still is.
16:50SPEAKERYeah.
16:50SPEAKERYeah.
16:50SPEAKERI mean, I think my name is mentioned on a couple of pages more general.
16:56SPEAKERI feel like I probably don't need a Wikipedia page.
16:58SPEAKERI don't know that I've done enough that's of worth to warrant one at this point.
17:01SPEAKERI think I would much prefer not having one actually.
17:04SPEAKERPlus there are other Will Smith's.
17:06SPEAKERAnd like you said, going and making your own page is pathetic.
17:09SPEAKERSad.
17:10SPEAKERYes.
17:12SPEAKERQuestion from fortune.
17:14SPEAKERMost of the, you can make a podcast at home.
17:16SPEAKERThings I have seen concentrate almost entirely on microphones and other hardware.
17:19SPEAKERIs it possible to spend some time going over the other side of things?
17:23SPEAKEREditing software, distribution, tracking, listener stats, ad reads, et cetera.
17:26SPEAKERThat could be a whole episode going over all of that stuff, but we could,
17:30SPEAKERwe could summarize quickly some stuff.
17:32SPEAKERYeah.
17:34SPEAKERThere's a bazillion audio editors at this point.
17:36SPEAKERYou can do it in audacity easily.
17:38SPEAKERWe use audacity and audition and are kind of trying to try working on transitioning to Reaper,
17:43SPEAKERbut getting the filtering set up right is a little bit challenging.
17:48SPEAKERDistribution is easy.
17:51SPEAKERLike there are in the old days, you had to set up a WordPress blog and then find someplace
17:55SPEAKERto host the file and like archive.org.
17:56SPEAKERAnd then you generate a plugin and they generate an RSS feed.
17:59SPEAKERIt was a big pain in the ass.
18:00SPEAKERYou don't have to do that anymore.
18:01SPEAKERYeah.
18:02SPEAKERNow you pay solutions.
18:04SPEAKERYeah, you pay Libsyn five bucks a month or simple cast 15 bucks a month or any number
18:08SPEAKERof other podcasts hosts.
18:11SPEAKERLike they're inexpensive starter plans.
18:14SPEAKERAnd basically the thing that varies between them is how they charge, if they charge for
18:20SPEAKERoverage in terms of numbers of episodes downloaded or numbers of episodes uploaded in some cases.
18:28SPEAKERSome people charge more for hosting for more listeners.
18:31SPEAKERSome people charge more for hosting a IAB, which is the international advertisers
18:37SPEAKERBureau Bureau, I think internet advertising Bureau for IAB compliant metrics, which means
18:44SPEAKERyou can put advertising on your podcast.
18:46SPEAKERYeah.
18:46SPEAKERSome of the backends that you'll see on podcast hosts literally let you toggle between like
18:51SPEAKERstats by blank metric and IAB stats.
18:54SPEAKERLike there are these specific guidelines for the IAB ones where, and that just happened
18:59SPEAKERin the last gosh, five years for most of them, like this kind of podcast host didn't exist
19:04SPEAKERbefore like 2015.
19:06SPEAKERYeah.
19:06SPEAKERReally like the entirety of the podcast, like hosting an advertising business was a gigantic
19:11SPEAKERlike fly by night mess up until about that time.
19:15SPEAKERYeah.
19:15SPEAKERThe amount of money we spent hosting the podcast at whiskey media ourselves was pretty stupendous.
19:21SPEAKERRight.
19:22SPEAKERBecause there wasn't like, we couldn't just pay somebody 15 bucks a month per podcast
19:25SPEAKERto do it.
19:26SPEAKERYeah.
19:26SPEAKERThe, the other big thing that's happened with advertising is that ads have become entirely
19:30SPEAKERdecoupled from the shows they run on now.
19:33SPEAKEROh, right.
19:33SPEAKERIt's all, it's all handled dynamically.
19:35SPEAKERSo like you're doing ad reads separately and uploading them into a tool and then like campaigns
19:39SPEAKERare getting sold on the backend and those just get inserted into, into shows at time
19:44SPEAKERof download based on what campaigns are active at the moment.
19:46SPEAKERAnd where you live and what your demographics are and all that stuff.
19:49SPEAKERAnd then, and then, yeah, there's all kinds of data harvesting that they use to further
19:52SPEAKERkind of winnow down, which ads you're hearing.
19:54SPEAKERAnd I mean, the, the dynamic ads are nice from a content creator perspective because
19:59SPEAKERit takes a lot of the overhead of managing ads out of your, out of your pipeline.
20:03SPEAKERYes.
20:03SPEAKERAnd also it allows you to monetize your back catalog.
20:06SPEAKERSo yes.
20:06SPEAKERSo it's funny, like per episode downloads, aren't really a big deal now in terms of advertisers.
20:11SPEAKERIt's just how many downloads are you in a week across your whole library of shows.
20:15SPEAKERSo like if you've got three years of podcasts before, like when we baked ads into the actual
20:20SPEAKERrecording before, once the campaign, like, like say for a six month old podcast where
20:25SPEAKERthat campaign ended five months ago, people go and download that episode today.
20:28SPEAKERIt's worthless.
20:29SPEAKERLike you make nothing on it.
20:30SPEAKERYeah.
20:30SPEAKERBut I mean the content probably is still good.
20:32SPEAKERBut now since they can put active current ads into old episodes than any podcast at
20:37SPEAKERall that gets downloaded is valuable.
20:39SPEAKERYeah.
20:39SPEAKERSo if I were starting a new podcast, I would probably check out on Libsyn.
20:43SPEAKERIt's really easy to move podcasts between hosts.
20:46SPEAKERIt is.
20:46SPEAKERI mean, we did that exact thing.
20:48SPEAKERYeah.
20:48SPEAKERI can't, I don't love Libsyn's backend.
20:51SPEAKERIt's not great.
20:52SPEAKERIt's pretty dated.
20:53SPEAKERI mean, it is, it is, you're getting your $5 a month.
20:57SPEAKERBut it is very inexpensive.
20:59SPEAKERYeah.
20:59SPEAKERAnd, and if you are just doing something for fun, it doesn't make sense to pay for somebody
21:04SPEAKERthat's going to do your IAB, yeah, tricks and all that stuff.
21:07SPEAKERYeah.
21:07SPEAKERIt's a good place to start for sure.
21:10SPEAKERThe other thing we haven't talked about is the post stuff.
21:12SPEAKERSo once you, once you've edited the audio file and you have a big wave, you have to
21:17SPEAKERadd MP3 tags and also do levelator stuff, which is, I think we still used, you still
21:23SPEAKERuse levelator, right?
21:24SPEAKERSo I still, I still Chuck the export into levelator.
21:26SPEAKERIt's an old habits die hard, but also that thing works.
21:29SPEAKERIt doesn't hurt anything.
21:30SPEAKERLevelator does audio compression where it kind of brings all the levels up to the same,
21:34SPEAKERsame LUTs.
21:35SPEAKERI guess it does a bunch of stuff.
21:36SPEAKERIt's kind of like a, there's a secret sauce in there that they've never said exactly all
21:41SPEAKERof the processing that it's doing.
21:42SPEAKERNo one's exactly replicated it.
21:44SPEAKERReaper has a similar function that I, it's a little more complicated that I haven't quite
21:48SPEAKERfigured out yet.
21:49SPEAKERYeah.
21:49SPEAKERThere are also like plugins you'll see around like VSTs and stuff that claim to be like,
21:53SPEAKERHey, this is levelator, but a plugin, like people have tried to recreate it for a long
21:57SPEAKERtime.
21:57SPEAKERAlso worth mentioning the ultra shawl people who we talked about a couple of weeks ago
22:04SPEAKERreleased English language documentation the other day.
22:07SPEAKERSo I saw that they tweeted at us and we're pretty excited.
22:10SPEAKERYeah, that was cool.
22:11SPEAKERSo I got to go check that out and see if, see if my translated documentation is, is less,
22:16SPEAKERif the new actual translated documentation is better than the machine tracking translated
22:19SPEAKERdocumentation was, which was fine, but not perfect.
22:22SPEAKERAnyway.
22:23SPEAKERYeah.
22:24SPEAKERIt's never been a better time to start a podcast.
22:27SPEAKERYeah.
22:27SPEAKERAnybody can do it.
22:28SPEAKERI keep, I keep feeling like, God, who was it that ran, was it the New York times that
22:33SPEAKERran that story?
22:33SPEAKERLike it's been years now of along the lines of have we reached peak podcast and yet it
22:39SPEAKERseems to keep going.
22:41SPEAKERSweet summer children waiting for the bottom to fall out.
22:44SPEAKERYeah, it's fine.
22:45SPEAKERUm, so do you want to talk about this squeaky stuff?
22:49SPEAKERYeah, we can do that.
22:50SPEAKERI've killed a couple of chairs because of that.
22:51SPEAKEROh, wow.
22:52SPEAKERYou highlighted this one.
22:53SPEAKERSo, okay.
22:53SPEAKERQuestion from meatball in the same vein.
22:56SPEAKERYou guys do both do a ton of podcasts and streams.
22:58SPEAKERHow do you deal with squeaking chairs, keyboard and mouse clicks and desk bumps?
23:02SPEAKERYou try to get gear that's quiet.
23:03SPEAKERAnd if so, what do you get or do you just figure you can clean it all up in post-production?
23:07SPEAKERNever clean anything in post-production.
23:09SPEAKERThat's look, I've been wasting a bunch of my Saturdays then.
23:16SPEAKEROh, really?
23:17SPEAKERNo, not, not as much as I used to.
23:19SPEAKERI thought about getting into that on that last question of actually there was another
23:23SPEAKERquestion in here.
23:23SPEAKERI don't know if we'll take that one too.
23:24SPEAKERShould we just do the whole podcast block?
23:26SPEAKERWe can do a podcast block.
23:27SPEAKEROkay.
23:27SPEAKERLet's, let's do this one and then we'll do the other one I was referring to.
23:31SPEAKERUm, yeah.
23:32SPEAKERTry to try not to have to clean anything in post-production.
23:35SPEAKERLike the goal is to make everything clean enough that you don't have to do post-production.
23:38SPEAKERAbsolutely.
23:39SPEAKERCause it takes a really long time.
23:41SPEAKERI mean, this probably is intuitive, but the problem with editing, cleaning up audio is
23:46SPEAKERyou can't see anything visually.
23:47SPEAKERYou can't look at a wave form and go like, Oh, that looks like a squeak or somebody bumping
23:50SPEAKERtheir microphone.
23:51SPEAKERI'll you know what I mean?
23:52SPEAKERLike fixing audio, even just plain editing audio is so tedious because you just have
23:57SPEAKERto don't do that.
23:58SPEAKERGod damn it.
24:00SPEAKERI'm not cleaning that up.
24:02SPEAKERNo, no, leave it.
24:02SPEAKERI was just my point is it's just annoying.
24:05SPEAKERI know I'm joking, but, um, but yeah, like you can't, you can't just do a
24:08SPEAKERquick survey visual survey of the wave form and pull stuff out.
24:11SPEAKERLike you have to meticulously go through and listen to and re-listen to and it takes forever.
24:17SPEAKERSo I bought a mechanical keyboard with really quiet keys.
24:23SPEAKERWell, I bought a mechanical keyboard and then put really quiet switches in it.
24:26SPEAKERUm, I buy the right kind of key caps.
24:28SPEAKERSo they're quiet.
24:28SPEAKERI put the keyboard on a piece of neoprene underneath so that the desk doesn't work as
24:33SPEAKERa resonator and make it even louder.
24:35SPEAKERI just, man, I've just talked about this on an Exlinger podcast.
24:38SPEAKERI've got a roll of neoprene that I bought and didn't, that didn't work for the thing
24:42SPEAKERI bought it for.
24:42SPEAKERSo now it's just sitting there.
24:43SPEAKEROh, there you go.
24:44SPEAKERMaybe I should put it to use.
24:45SPEAKERYeah.
24:46SPEAKERUm, I disassembled a mouse and put a quieter, quieter switches in it, but which wouldn't
24:51SPEAKERquiet.
24:51SPEAKERWe talked about that on the tech pod, but one of them partly it was cause one of the
24:54SPEAKERswitches broken, but partly it was because I wanted quieter switches.
24:57SPEAKERUm, you, uh, you don't drink things with ice in them.
25:03SPEAKERUm, you don't make any weird mouth sounds if you can help it.
25:07SPEAKERYup.
25:07SPEAKERYou try to cut down, dampen your acoustics, try to cut down on audio bouncing off of walls
25:12SPEAKERand stuff if you can.
25:14SPEAKERYeah.
25:14SPEAKERThat's the next thing I need to do is put foam up on the wall that I face now.
25:17SPEAKERCause I had it on the, on the old wall and I don't anymore.
25:20SPEAKERAnd it's, yeah.
25:21SPEAKERAlso these, uh, these mics that we got are very directional, I guess is the term.
25:25SPEAKERYeah.
25:25SPEAKERLike they don't, they don't pick up off-axis audio nearly as much as cheaper mics would.
25:30SPEAKERYeah.
25:32SPEAKERUm, but, but yeah, the, um, desk bumps, so squeaky chairs, I've had to replace chairs
25:39SPEAKERbecause they squeaked.
25:40SPEAKERYes.
25:41SPEAKERLike that is, that is by my old Herman Miller reaction chairs that I had before the chair
25:45SPEAKERI sit in now, uh, eventually they all develop a little bit of a wobble squeak after a long
25:51SPEAKERtime and there was no amount of lubing it that was able to fix the problem.
25:54SPEAKERSo for that, for that amount of money, they still developed.
25:58SPEAKERWell, it was like 12 years old at that point.
25:59SPEAKERUnacceptable.
26:00SPEAKERUm, yeah, you know, I called them and they offered to replace it with a refurb under
26:04SPEAKERwarranty, but they couldn't guarantee that the refurb wouldn't squeak because like they,
26:09SPEAKERin their eyes, a slightly squeaking, the amount of squeak was very negligible, but it still
26:13SPEAKERcame through.
26:14SPEAKERThat's fair.
26:15SPEAKERI actually just realized something that I didn't even think to mention it cause I just,
26:19SPEAKERI take it for granted, but like a, a mic, like a mic arm, a boom arm or don't put your
26:24SPEAKERmicrophone on your desk is, is the point like something, something that elevates the mic
26:30SPEAKERoff the surface.
26:31SPEAKERI technically use a microphone arm that is bolted to this desk, but it's like four feet
26:38SPEAKERaway.
26:39SPEAKERWell, but, but also it's shock absorbed.
26:41SPEAKERSo the, so the, the motion of the desk is isolated from the motion of the microphone.
26:45SPEAKERThere is some shock absorption in this arm as well.
26:47SPEAKERBut like, if you really want to play it safe, you get a floor stand on the wall.
26:51SPEAKERYes.
26:52SPEAKERAttach the mic to something that is not your desk.
26:54SPEAKERIf you really want to play it safe there, but like, but like your, the tripod stand
26:58SPEAKERthat most microphones come with is basically a resume turns your desk into a resonating
27:03SPEAKERcavity for the microphone.
27:04SPEAKERYeah.
27:05SPEAKERThis is also why you put shock mounts.
27:07SPEAKERThe other thing is a pop filter.
27:08SPEAKERSo a pop filter helps you keep from making plosive sounds into your microphone.
27:17SPEAKERSee, you use one.
27:17SPEAKERI use the one that's integrated in my mic.
27:20SPEAKERIt's probably fine.
27:21SPEAKERI use it.
27:22SPEAKERI only use this external one cause it looks cool.
27:24SPEAKERYeah.
27:25SPEAKERSee, that's why I use the spider mount for my mic.
27:26SPEAKERCause it looks cool.
27:27SPEAKERFair.
27:28SPEAKERFair.
27:29SPEAKERCause we all know the aesthetics are the most important thing.
27:31SPEAKERIt's shiny.
27:32SPEAKERWe've established.
27:33SPEAKERIt's true.
27:33SPEAKERIt's true.
27:34SPEAKERMine's beige.
27:35SPEAKERI like the beige too.
27:36SPEAKERAll right.
27:36SPEAKERAt least you didn't get black.
27:37SPEAKEROnly bad people get black.
27:39SPEAKERYep.
27:39SPEAKERAnd I won't tell Alex you said that.
27:41SPEAKERHe's it.
27:42SPEAKERLook, I have a lot of respect for Alex for a lot of reasons, but not that.
27:45SPEAKERHe got a black re 20.
27:47SPEAKEROkay.
27:48SPEAKERLast podcast question from wedge for every hour of tech pod.
27:51SPEAKERHow many hours of behind the scenes work does it take?
27:53SPEAKERHow much time does it take to record an hour of podcasts?
27:57SPEAKERAbout an hour.
27:58SPEAKEROn the back.
27:59SPEAKEROh, no way, man.
28:00SPEAKERAre you serious?
28:01SPEAKERNo, I'm joking.
28:02SPEAKERI'm joking.
28:02SPEAKEROh, okay.
28:03SPEAKERYeah.
28:04SPEAKERSo like on the prep end, that totally depends on the type of episode.
28:07SPEAKERYeah.
28:07SPEAKERQ and A's are usually like an hour, probably two, two hours, an hour each for us to read
28:12SPEAKERthe questions and filter through the ones we want.
28:14SPEAKERYeah.
28:15SPEAKERAnd then another hour of work on both ends for me.
28:19SPEAKERAnd then you spend sometimes more or less, depending on how the, how the audio quality
28:22SPEAKERis, how much you clean up.
28:23SPEAKERI think I'll just go in sequence here.
28:24SPEAKERSo I'll get to that.
28:25SPEAKERCause it's the last step at the end.
28:27SPEAKERBut I would say like the topic episodes are probably the most prep intensive, would you
28:33SPEAKERsay?
28:34SPEAKERYeah.
28:34SPEAKERLike that matter thread one I read, I did probably six hours a year, eight hours of
28:38SPEAKERreading over the course of the week.
28:39SPEAKERThose take a ton of research and like we, we write out detailed notes and everything.
28:44SPEAKERYeah.
28:44SPEAKERLike, like our, our notes, our notes pages typically run from at least two pages and
28:50SPEAKERsometimes up to six or eight, depending on how much, like, it really depends on how much,
28:54SPEAKERhow familiar we are with the topic and whether we're just putting, making notes to remind
28:58SPEAKERus not to forget things or whether we're putting notes there so that it has the actual
29:01SPEAKERinformation that we want for the podcast.
29:02SPEAKERYeah.
29:04SPEAKERBut they're usually pretty extensive.
29:05SPEAKERI always feel we, I feel like like the notes are an unfortunate thing.
29:09SPEAKERSo if we had more time to spend on the show, I would clean them up and post them.
29:12SPEAKERCause they're kind of useful, but as is like, it's already taking a lot of time.
29:16SPEAKERSo I don't want to take another two hours to clean up the notes.
29:19SPEAKERSo they're postable anyway.
29:20SPEAKERPlus all those obscenities that you write in there randomly.
29:23SPEAKERYeah. And the ethnic slurs.
29:25SPEAKERWhoa.
29:25SPEAKERWhoa.
29:27SPEAKERI don't put ethnic slurs in the notes.
29:30SPEAKERGoodness gracious.
29:33SPEAKERThe recording, surprisingly.
29:35SPEAKEROkay.
29:35SPEAKERLike on a morning like this where we've got other stuff, we've got actual work after
29:39SPEAKERthis to do.
29:40SPEAKERYeah.
29:40SPEAKERWe can get in and out in say 90 minutes for an episode that runs like 45 to an hour.
29:45SPEAKERYeah.
29:46SPEAKERThat's about right.
29:47SPEAKERWhen we record on Saturdays, it easily will take like three hours total to record.
29:52SPEAKEROh, like, I don't know how that happens.
29:54SPEAKERLike sometimes we say we chat, chat, chat.
29:57SPEAKERI mean, some of it is lack of discipline.
29:59SPEAKERLike we can get on the call and chat about other stuff.
30:02SPEAKERA lot of it is like talking through the episode and planning out the flow and the structure
30:07SPEAKERstuff like that.
30:08SPEAKERYeah.
30:08SPEAKERFor the more complicated topics, especially, especially it's useful to like talk through
30:12SPEAKERthe structure.
30:13SPEAKERYeah.
30:13SPEAKERActually, this is like the kind of a slight digression, but like on the subject of discipline
30:18SPEAKERin terms of just like showing up recording and leaving, like when we're working remotely,
30:22SPEAKERit turns out that like getting on video calls to either record stuff or have a meeting is
30:27SPEAKERliterally the only time you interact with your coworkers.
30:31SPEAKERYeah.
30:31SPEAKERSo we have that at my full-time job too.
30:33SPEAKERRight.
30:33SPEAKERMy day job too.
30:34SPEAKERExactly.
30:35SPEAKERBasically, I think we tend to just like gab a little more when we should be recording
30:40SPEAKERjust because like there is no water cooler anymore.
30:42SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
30:43SPEAKERWell, yeah, we like institutionalized a period, a short period at the start of meeting of
30:49SPEAKERlike our daily standup meeting where we kind of just talk about whatever we want to talk
30:53SPEAKERabout while people are filing in, which is nice.
30:55SPEAKERThat's smart probably.
30:57SPEAKERYeah.
30:57SPEAKERBecause yeah, like just lacking that like basic kind of passive social interaction that
31:03SPEAKERyou get of just being around people all day.
31:06SPEAKERIt's nice to maintain a human connection with your coworkers.
31:09SPEAKERYes.
31:10SPEAKERAnyway, you take the audio when we're done and sync it up against the, our highly sophisticated
31:16SPEAKERpatented sync technology.
31:19SPEAKERThank you.
31:23SPEAKERI sync that up in Audition and I use Audition just because when we started doing the podcast,
31:27SPEAKERAudacity didn't preview the, like the audio waves that you see don't line up necessarily
31:33SPEAKERwith the audio.
31:34SPEAKERIn the old days of Audacity, they do now, I believe.
31:38SPEAKERSo like I line up the spikes basically from the beeps.
31:42SPEAKERAnd then I export stems.
31:46SPEAKERWell, I do some filtering.
31:47SPEAKERSo I bring, I level everybody out.
31:50SPEAKERI do noise gates on you.
31:52SPEAKERI do that in hardware on me.
31:53SPEAKERSo I don't need to do that and do some dynamics passes and stuff like that because Audition
31:57SPEAKERhas, it turns out Adobe has a lot of smart engineers doing audio processing stuff.
32:02SPEAKERAnd then I jam that out and as a bunch of wave files and send it over to you and you
32:08SPEAKERput the music in because you are very good at putting the music so that the beats hit
32:12SPEAKERat the right time.
32:12SPEAKERCause I don't have an ear for that.
32:13SPEAKERYeah.
32:14SPEAKERYeah.
32:14SPEAKERThere's a lot more there than just putting music in.
32:16SPEAKERI mean, I know of course.
32:17SPEAKERSo you send, you, you give me two waves.
32:19SPEAKEROne of you, one of me and I had a guest sometimes.
32:22SPEAKERYeah.
32:23SPEAKERYeah.
32:23SPEAKERSo gotta like trim up all the ins and outs and, and line up music and stuff like that.
32:28SPEAKERBut like the real, the real time sink there is how much time am I going to spend going
32:32SPEAKERthrough like cleaning up talk overs and long pauses and the ums and stuff like that.
32:38SPEAKERLike I've, I've easily spent three hours doing nothing but going through and I don't do that
32:43SPEAKERas much anymore.
32:44SPEAKEROh, you like it's, that is an infinite hole.
32:48SPEAKERYes.
32:48SPEAKERThat's exactly the problem is that you could spend, you could spend six hours per episode
32:52SPEAKERmaking it sound absolutely perfect.
32:54SPEAKERYeah.
32:55SPEAKERAnd then, and then completely lose your mind in the process.
32:58SPEAKERWell, so then the process for the tech pod and the FOS pod are a little bit different.
33:02SPEAKERLike the FOS pod, we have more help.
33:05SPEAKERSo Matt, our yeah, Matt, our producer and Sabrina, our editor do like Sabrina to goes
33:10SPEAKERthrough and does all the ums and the ahs and rearranges things.
33:13SPEAKERAnd Matt does kind of the initial research pass.
33:20SPEAKERSo then we can dig in, like he'll, he'll go and find all the good interviews that people
33:24SPEAKERhave done and it pulls out highlights from some of the interviews and listens to the
33:28SPEAKERpodcast and does all that stuff.
33:30SPEAKERAnd then a gives us places that we can go if we want to know more and kind of gives
33:35SPEAKERus a basic skeleton for the questions we want to answer the conversation we want to have.
33:39SPEAKERAnd then with that show, we do the interview.
33:45SPEAKERThen we listen to the interview and kind of rearrange stuff if it needs to, because often
33:52SPEAKERwe'll kind of meander during those conversations.
33:55SPEAKERAnd Sabrina does the, does a couple edits along there to get it first to a structure
33:59SPEAKERthat we want and then to a runtime that we want.
34:03SPEAKERAnd then once that's all done, we record the intro and the outro and any interstitial
34:07SPEAKERsegments that we need to explain like concepts that we don't explain well during the interview.
34:11SPEAKERAnd that's, that's where then it gets published like anything else.
34:15SPEAKERYeah.
34:15SPEAKERAnd I do all that stuff like the writing, tagging and all that.
34:20SPEAKERTagging, coding and tagging, naming, episode naming, writing decks, getting show art together.
34:25SPEAKERYeah.
34:25SPEAKERDoing all the CMS backend stuff.
34:27SPEAKERLike once you hand files off to me for the tech pod, like I would say like absolute
34:31SPEAKERminimum an hour to 90 minutes to get it totally listenable and put into the system and all
34:36SPEAKERthat stuff written and everything like more like two to three hours.
34:40SPEAKERIf I actually go through and like the weeks that I don't do that, I feel terrible about
34:44SPEAKERit.
34:44SPEAKERFeel irresponsible.
34:47SPEAKERWe should get Sabrina to just do that too.
34:50SPEAKERI could just slap, slap these source files in, put the music on and spit it out in 20,
34:56SPEAKER30 minutes.
34:57SPEAKERBut I just can't, I can't resist at least scrubbing through.
35:01SPEAKERWe have latency.
35:01SPEAKERThat's the biggest problem is that being remote and I hear it all the time and it makes me
35:06SPEAKERfeel really self-conscious because like, like one thing you may notice is we'll do a lot
35:09SPEAKERof things where we begin the, we begin a sentence and say the same couple of words like three
35:14SPEAKERtimes in a row.
35:15SPEAKERYeah.
35:15SPEAKERI usually go through into a past taking those out too, just so you know.
35:18SPEAKERSo those, those, those, those aren't just us stumbling over our words.
35:21SPEAKERLike that's actually like in the video call there's latency and it actually means like,
35:25SPEAKEROh, you started saying something at the same time I did.
35:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
35:28SPEAKERYeah.
35:28SPEAKERAnd we cut one out, but not the other maybe or whatever.
35:31SPEAKERLike you second guess yourself when you hear somebody else start talking when you're trying
35:34SPEAKERto talk, you know what I mean?
35:35SPEAKERYeah.
35:35SPEAKERAnd you just end up kind of stumbling over stuff.
35:37SPEAKERThere, there's a lot of stuff in there that is, that is an artifact of, of recording remotely,
35:41SPEAKERnot just not being able to talk well.
35:44SPEAKERYeah.
35:44SPEAKERAnd, and leaving that stuff in makes me feel awful, but.
35:48SPEAKERWell, but sometimes it's harder to like, sometimes you end up with something that sounds more
35:52SPEAKERunnatural by cutting around it is what I end up with.
35:54SPEAKERI usually go through and scan the waveforms for places that we're talking over each other
35:58SPEAKERand cut them, cut the obvious ones out.
36:00SPEAKERThat's what I've started doing is just scrolling through also and just anywhere that you see
36:03SPEAKERaudio overlap is a good cue.
36:05SPEAKERYeah.
36:05SPEAKERSo, so take a listen and see if you can clean some stuff up.
36:08SPEAKERCause like you could easily, I could easily spend my whole Saturday afternoon doing that
36:12SPEAKERif I didn't resist the urge.
36:13SPEAKERI was going to say then the last thing is all the posting and stuff.
36:17SPEAKERSo we post stuff like some of the posting happens automatically, but letting people
36:20SPEAKERknow about patron episodes and all that stuff happens manually and we tweet to stir up interest
36:26SPEAKERand generate excerpts and all that stuff.
36:28SPEAKERSo it's a lot.
36:29SPEAKERYeah.
36:30SPEAKERYeah.
36:31SPEAKERThat's something people have never understood about this line of work is that there is
36:35SPEAKERway, way more work to make it happen than what you see.
36:38SPEAKERYeah.
36:38SPEAKERIt's not just sitting, well, I mean, sometimes it's sitting down for the microphone.
36:41SPEAKERLike sometimes you sit down for the microphone and talk about something for an hour, but
36:45SPEAKERthat's because you have knowledge that is predates the podcast and right.
36:49SPEAKERAnd probably also other people doing the heavy lifting.
36:52SPEAKERYeah.
36:53SPEAKEROf, of getting it ready to post.
36:55SPEAKERYeah, exactly.
36:56SPEAKERAll right.
36:57SPEAKERThat's enough about podcasting.
36:58SPEAKERYeah.
36:58SPEAKERThat's a lot of podcasts.
36:59SPEAKERThe podcast block is over.
37:01SPEAKERYou want to talk about Git?
37:03SPEAKERThis is an easy one.
37:05SPEAKERI saw that one.
37:05SPEAKERI don't know.
37:08SPEAKERI used Git all the time.
37:08SPEAKERHow much I have to say about it.
37:10SPEAKERAlso, there may be a lot of cake batter questions in here if we just go all willy nilly here.
37:15SPEAKEROh, okay.
37:16SPEAKERNevermind then.
37:16SPEAKEROh, it's too late.
37:17SPEAKEROh, how often do you as non-programmers use Git?
37:20SPEAKERWould you want this interaction to be more or less frequent says cake batter.
37:23SPEAKERI used Git two days ago, I think was last time.
37:26SPEAKERI, I, I store my notes, my, my personal, like, like I write notes in flat text files and
37:33SPEAKERreally get them in a folder to pages of info.
37:38SPEAKERGet info.
37:39SPEAKERNo.
37:39SPEAKERWhat's the, what's the, what's their, what's their document thing?
37:43SPEAKERThey who?
37:44SPEAKERGit, GitHub.
37:45SPEAKERI put them on GitHub in a private repo where they're all stored and searchable and online
37:51SPEAKERand I can track changes and search them on the web and it's very good.
37:55SPEAKERIt's like my own version of simple, simple writer, simple, simple page, simple note.
38:00SPEAKERYeah. I also use a get to host our press kit install for straight Monday.
38:06SPEAKERSo get pages is what I use.
38:08SPEAKERSorry.
38:08SPEAKERIt took me a minute.
38:09SPEAKERYeah.
38:09SPEAKERYeah.
38:10SPEAKERYeah.
38:10SPEAKERI wanted to clarify which service you were talking about because there are certainly,
38:14SPEAKERyou know, GitLab is big now like source hut.
38:17SPEAKERThere are a lot of other GitHub competitors out there now.
38:20SPEAKERSo I really like this.
38:23SPEAKERI do not like using Git.
38:25SPEAKERI would like to do the same thing with some other service that is not Git because that's
38:29SPEAKERhow GitHub came about.
38:30SPEAKERRight.
38:31SPEAKERYes.
38:31SPEAKERGit is like very powerful and not very friendly.
38:34SPEAKERYeah, that is exactly right.
38:36SPEAKERI've been meaning to store my dot files remotely.
38:40SPEAKERWell, that's a good idea.
38:41SPEAKERI've got like looking around the house here between physical Unix E-boxes and containers
38:49SPEAKERkind of virtual Unix E-boxes inside of those.
38:51SPEAKERThere's probably, God, I don't know, 12, 15 Linux and BSD machines around this house.
38:57SPEAKERWow.
38:58SPEAKERAnd it would really be nice if I could just like store one .bashrc, for example, and just
39:04SPEAKERhave it pull that down everywhere.
39:07SPEAKERYeah.
39:08SPEAKERBut I haven't actually gotten around to figuring that stuff out yet.
39:11SPEAKERI like, I want to save my OBS configurations like that because Git could do that because
39:16SPEAKERit can hold all the assets and everything.
39:18SPEAKERBut anyway.
39:19SPEAKERI actually just had to nuke my OBS install this week.
39:21SPEAKEROh God.
39:22SPEAKERFinally that I've been using since before the pandemic started.
39:25SPEAKERIt had gotten like just I have hives.
39:27SPEAKERLike what you mean having to redo everything?
39:30SPEAKERYeah.
39:30SPEAKERLike sometimes I feel like the idea of cruft and software is overblown, but in this case
39:34SPEAKERit was a hundred percent accurate.
39:36SPEAKERLike it had become essentially unusable, like incredibly unstable.
39:40SPEAKERIt would not exit.
39:41SPEAKERIt would never exit.
39:42SPEAKERLike this is just a random example, but like every time I quit it, it would hang and I
39:45SPEAKERwould have to force quit it.
39:46SPEAKERHow, how many scenes do you have a bunch of scenes and stuff?
39:48SPEAKERQuite a few scenes.
39:49SPEAKERAlso some of the assets that some of those scenes were pointing at lived on my NAS that
39:55SPEAKERhas been unhooked for two months.
39:56SPEAKEROh, you can't ever put OBS assets toward a NAS.
39:58SPEAKERThat's where that's a hundred percent your problem.
40:00SPEAKEROh no, it works fine when, but when the assets are not there, I don't know if, I don't know
40:04SPEAKERif OBS like it, you know, it throws a warning when you launch it like, Hey, these images
40:08SPEAKERare not there anymore, but I don't know if that causes problems down the line.
40:11SPEAKERIt depends on what the assets are.
40:13SPEAKERSo because I used to do this, I save a video assets in like a VLC playlist module will
40:19SPEAKERhang OBS without an error.
40:21SPEAKERCause it's a Mo it's a plugin, the VLC playlist thing is a plugin or something and not a core
40:26SPEAKERpart of the OBS.
40:28SPEAKERSo it'll just stall while it's waiting for that plugin to load, which is what the problem
40:32SPEAKERI had when I ran stuff off my NAS.
40:33SPEAKEROh, the problem, the real problem started when I tried to install stream effects a few
40:37SPEAKERmonths ago, which is weird because a ton of people use stream effects and seems to be
40:41SPEAKERfine for them.
40:42SPEAKERWhat's stream effects.
40:43SPEAKERIt's, it's a pretty popular suite of OBS stuff.
40:46SPEAKERIt gives you like real time blur and like transparency and stuff.
40:49SPEAKERYou can like, you can do like more advanced overlays.
40:52SPEAKERI can't believe there's no transparency built into OBS.
40:54SPEAKERSo does that mean you can do well, there is, but you have to use alpha channels or green
40:58SPEAKERor key stuff out, right?
40:59SPEAKERI mean like real time on the GPU, not like having to make like a, make a mask manually
41:05SPEAKERor something like that.
41:06SPEAKERCan you does that mean you can do like vertical video with the blur blur vertical video in
41:12SPEAKERthe background thing?
41:13SPEAKERI think that's exactly what I installed it for and wanted to do.
41:16SPEAKERThat's fantastic.
41:16SPEAKERThat is, that is in fact exactly what I installed it for and wanted to do, but like it just
41:20SPEAKERnever worked for me.
41:21SPEAKERIt also might be that your computer is too slow.
41:23SPEAKERWhat I, what I mean is it never showed up.
41:24SPEAKERLike I installed the plugin and the menu, the stream effects menu literally did not
41:28SPEAKERappear in the interface.
41:30SPEAKERI saw another good OBS plugin the other day.
41:33SPEAKERIt lets you do smooth move transitions between scenes.
41:38SPEAKERSo you set up two scenes with the more or less the same stuff and you change the size of
41:42SPEAKERone element inside it and then you transition between the two and it just dynamically moves
41:46SPEAKERthe small thing to the big thing, the big thing to the small thing.
41:49SPEAKERIt's very happy making.
41:50SPEAKERThat's pretty good.
41:51SPEAKERYeah.
41:51SPEAKERUh, OBS 28 seems pretty good.
41:54SPEAKERAre you on the beta?
41:55SPEAKERNo, I'm not using it, but I, I checked out all of the new stuff that is coming to it
41:59SPEAKERand it's some good stuff.
42:02SPEAKERI am excited about it.
42:03SPEAKERI I'm, I'm ready.
42:04SPEAKERThey're finally adding native application level audio capture.
42:08SPEAKERLike there's a good plugin for that out there that just works generally.
42:12SPEAKERI haven't had a huge issue with it, but they're finally building it into the application
42:15SPEAKERitself.
42:15SPEAKERYou can just say, Hey, capture only the audio from this game or this browser window.
42:20SPEAKERThat's cool.
42:20SPEAKERYeah.
42:21SPEAKERIt's good stuff.
42:22SPEAKERI'm hopeful that you'll have the ability to export your setup.
42:25SPEAKERI think Jim talked about that, right?
42:26SPEAKERHe talked about it.
42:27SPEAKERHe said it's in the pipeline, but he didn't, he didn't give a timeline for it.
42:29SPEAKERI did not see that on the feature list for 28, sadly.
42:34SPEAKERHow about a question from Narfinger?
42:37SPEAKERDo you think we should replace version numbers of software with the Ubuntu scheme of year
42:42SPEAKERdot month or the get hash of the commit?
42:44SPEAKEROh, I like your dot month.
42:46SPEAKERThe get hash.
42:47SPEAKERAbsolutely not.
42:47SPEAKERThat's for that's for maniacs.
42:49SPEAKERThat's no, no way.
42:52SPEAKERWhat he's talking about is, so I think I like the Ubuntu scheme, but I think it only really
42:56SPEAKERmakes sense for stuff that comes out on a regular cadence, like a predictable one.
43:01SPEAKERYeah.
43:01SPEAKERCause it's always like 0 8 0 4 0 8 0 10 0 8 1 0.
43:05SPEAKERYeah.
43:05SPEAKERSo Ubuntu, Ubuntu ships two manual versions, one in April and one in October.
43:09SPEAKERSo it's very easy to say like, Oh, 20 dot 0 4 that's the one that came out in April,
43:14SPEAKER2020.
43:15SPEAKERYeah.
43:15SPEAKERWhat is it?
43:15SPEAKEREvery third one is a every, every second, every other year is an LTS.
43:20SPEAKERIs an LTS.
43:21SPEAKERSo every, every, every, every even numbered April is an LTS release.
43:25SPEAKERSo 2204 that just came out is LTS.
43:28SPEAKERLTS means long-term support, which means they'll support it for 18 months or three years or
43:32SPEAKERsomething.
43:32SPEAKERI can't remember.
43:33SPEAKERI think Ubuntu LTS is pretty long.
43:35SPEAKERIt's Debian LTS.
43:37SPEAKERIt's really long.
43:39SPEAKERYeah.
43:39SPEAKERDebian is funny and weird about that stuff because they just use terms.
43:42SPEAKERThere's so busy badger or whatever.
43:45SPEAKERNo, no, no.
43:46SPEAKERWell, those are the names.
43:47SPEAKERThose are no, no, the, the adjective animal thing is an Ubuntu thing.
43:51SPEAKERSo it's like, yeah, buzz, buzzy, buzzy buzzer.
43:54SPEAKERI don't know.
43:56SPEAKERDebian names after toy story, story characters.
43:58SPEAKERSo they're currently on bull's eye.
44:00SPEAKERThe next one is bookworm.
44:02SPEAKERThat's why, that's why you had Debian Jesse for a while.
44:06SPEAKERWhat was, what did Debian used to be?
44:08SPEAKERAnd Debian stretch, they've been doing the toy story thing practically from the beginning.
44:12SPEAKERThey also use numbers like, like 10 was Buster.
44:14SPEAKERDebian 10 was Buster.
44:15SPEAKERDebian 11 is bullseye.
44:17SPEAKER12 will be bookworm.
44:20SPEAKERI just use the numbers.
44:21SPEAKERAnyway, the thing I was gonna say though on their support stuff is they just use terms.
44:24SPEAKERLike the current release is stable.
44:26SPEAKERThe next one is testing.
44:28SPEAKERThe one after that, that is super alpha is Sid.
44:31SPEAKERAnd then when you go in the other direction, like stable becomes old stable.
44:36SPEAKERSo the previous release is old stable two releases ago is old, old stable.
44:40SPEAKERI love old stable.
44:42SPEAKERI like to stick on old, old stable.
44:44SPEAKERIt's look, it's as stable as it gets.
44:46SPEAKERI believe that's right.
44:47SPEAKERYes.
44:47SPEAKERThat's correct.
44:48SPEAKEROld, old stable.
44:50SPEAKERAll right.
44:50SPEAKERSo Linux is a thing.
44:55SPEAKERI like the numbers.
44:56SPEAKERI like the, I like the year month.
44:58SPEAKERI like the data thing.
44:59SPEAKERSo Microsoft also does it for windows semi-annual updates.
45:02SPEAKERYou may have noticed like 2, 2, 1, 0, 2, 21, like, like 20.
45:05SPEAKERLike generally it'll be like 22 H one now for half the first half.
45:09SPEAKERSo like 22 H one just came out a few months ago.
45:13SPEAKERYep.
45:13SPEAKERAgain, though, I feel like that only really makes sense when everything is on a predictable
45:17SPEAKERschedule like that, because otherwise like there's no frame of reference for how old
45:22SPEAKERor how many versions there have been since something.
45:24SPEAKERIf you don't know that they came, kept coming out, you know what I mean?
45:27SPEAKERYeah.
45:27SPEAKERLike if, you know, if 1904 was your last rule is a release that I'm looking at.
45:33SPEAKERLike, I don't know that there have been more since then, unless I know that they're coming
45:36SPEAKERout every six months.
45:37SPEAKERGod, that would be like 118 years old if it was 1904.
45:40SPEAKERThe, the I, I, so I have to say I set up some Docker containers this weekend and the way
45:47SPEAKERyou can pull different Docker containers from the repo on my NAS.
45:52SPEAKERLike you can, you can subscribe to basically a channel of container and you can get latest
45:56SPEAKERor like I was installing Plex at a Docker container and you can get the Plex pass version
46:00SPEAKERand it just, you know, when you update the Docker container, it just, it just does its
46:04SPEAKERthing and replaces what you have with the new one.
46:06SPEAKERAnd theoretically it should just work.
46:08SPEAKERIt's, it's, it's, it's, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm starting to get into Docker, Brad.
46:12SPEAKERThat's, that's the, yeah, I hear good things.
46:15SPEAKERIt seems fine.
46:17SPEAKERYeah.
46:17SPEAKERI still like just an iterated version number for something that is just released haphazardly
46:21SPEAKERbecause it gives you more information about how many releases there have been.
46:24SPEAKERI like it when big companies say, Hey, we're going to do this.
46:27SPEAKERWe're never going to change numbering schemes again.
46:29SPEAKEROh yeah, that's good.
46:30SPEAKERAnd then like three, five years later, they changed numbering schemes again.
46:33SPEAKERWindows 10 is the last one is ever.
46:35SPEAKEROh, S 10 is the last OS 10 ever.
46:37SPEAKERThey made it 20 years on that one.
46:38SPEAKERI'll give them that.
46:39SPEAKERAnd I bet Steve jobs never would have let this happen.
46:43SPEAKERIt would still be OS 10.
46:47SPEAKER10 is the perfect number.
46:48SPEAKERUm, X I is a much shittier Roman numeral.
46:51SPEAKERThe last thing I'll mention here is that since I am, I'm on the, like literally probably
46:55SPEAKERthis weekend going to just finally slap a vanilla Linux install on my NAS.
47:01SPEAKERUh, I've been in kernel land a bit and realized how goofy and arbitrary Linux kernel version
47:07SPEAKERnumbers are.
47:08SPEAKEROh yeah.
47:09SPEAKERLike 5.1, nine of the Linux kernel, I think just came out or is about to, and like they
47:15SPEAKERwere working on 5.2.
47:17SPEAKEROh, and then Linus just decided, actually, this is going to be 6.0 instead.
47:20SPEAKERLike flat out, he flat out just said like, I don't like version numbers to get too big.
47:24SPEAKERThis is going to be six.
47:25SPEAKERLike that's kind of, we usually get up to about 19 or 20 and then it's like, ah, it's
47:28SPEAKERprobably time to roll over to the next one.
47:30SPEAKERSo in the old days, it used to be that the version, like in the old, old days, the version
47:35SPEAKERnumber would increment.
47:36SPEAKERThe major version number would increment when something major happened, like a hardware,
47:39SPEAKERusually tied to hardware support or some new instructions or something like that.
47:43SPEAKERSo it's nice that he's, he's lightened up in his older age.
47:46SPEAKERYeah.
47:46SPEAKERThat's, that's how the ARIA line was reading, put it at least that this was arbitrary and
47:51SPEAKERlike, Hey, Linux six, here we go.
47:54SPEAKERIt's time.
47:55SPEAKERLook, he's got to, he's got to get to 11.
47:57SPEAKERSo these on par with the other OSs.
47:59SPEAKERThat's that's yeah.
48:01SPEAKERIndeed.
48:02SPEAKERPick up the pace Linux.
48:03SPEAKEROh gosh.
48:04SPEAKERWe had another podcast question that we didn't ask from X amp Rocky.
48:07SPEAKERWell, okay.
48:08SPEAKERWe'll reopen the podcast door one more time.
48:10SPEAKERAnd the Y thread matters episode.
48:12SPEAKERYou mentioned that these days you often have topics that can't fill the full length of
48:15SPEAKERan episode.
48:15SPEAKERMy question is how do you know when a topic can't fill a full hour?
48:21SPEAKERUsually we do a bunch of research and then we get to a point where like, I don't think
48:24SPEAKERI can talk about this for 45 minutes or an hour.
48:26SPEAKERYeah.
48:27SPEAKERIt's, it's really just kind of a gut feeling.
48:29SPEAKERLike if, if we only get a page of notes and we've been reading a bunch of stuff about
48:33SPEAKERit and we're like, this, this seems kind of boring.
48:35SPEAKERYeah.
48:37SPEAKERWe ha we haven't killed, killed too many of those.
48:39SPEAKERWe we've, we've dumped some of them into like a potpourri episode.
48:42SPEAKERWe'll do two or three things at a time.
48:45SPEAKERBut I don't think we've actually killed anything at this point.
48:47SPEAKERHave we?
48:48SPEAKERI don't think so.
48:49SPEAKERWe've done a lot of topics.
48:50SPEAKERIt turns out after 160, 150 episodes, it's a lot of podcasts.
48:55SPEAKERQuite literally about three episodes or about three years now.
48:58SPEAKERYeah.
48:59SPEAKERWe burned through a lot of the obvious topics, although not, certainly not all of them because
49:02SPEAKERlike we're going to do a Bluetooth episode and it's like, how did we not do that already?
49:06SPEAKERI think we looked at it and we're like, Oh God, I don't want to talk about this.
49:08SPEAKERThis is really complicated.
49:09SPEAKERCause we really need to do it with that.
49:10SPEAKERWhat a Bluetooth episode means is we really need to do a Bluetooth episode.
49:13SPEAKERAnd then we also need to do a Bluetooth audio episode because it's complex enough to warrant
49:16SPEAKERits whole own thing.
49:18SPEAKERYes.
49:20SPEAKERAnd there's some stuff that's just like obvious trash fires and you want to avoid because
49:23SPEAKERit's just going to make people yell at you on the internet.
49:25SPEAKERSo yeah, indeed.
49:29SPEAKERHow about a question from Grub in regards to the food story episode do you know anything
49:39SPEAKERabout Jim Henson company's live performance capture stuff?
49:42SPEAKERThere are parts of that show where a handheld camera is following the animated characters
49:46SPEAKERaround and it looked so much like the food shit stuff.
49:50SPEAKERYeah, they do, there are a lot of ways to do hand fake handheld cameras now that are
49:55SPEAKERreal good.
49:55SPEAKERYou can even buy plugins for stuff that will, for your animation pipelines, you can draw
50:00SPEAKERthe lines in your 3d spaces.
50:02SPEAKERThere's all sorts of, there's, there's even like motion tracked version.
50:04SPEAKERSo if this is a motion track show, you can put the, like w we did a handheld camera with
50:09SPEAKERfoo that I don't think it was ever in anything that was public, but it's like, it was shoulder
50:14SPEAKERmounted.
50:14SPEAKERWe, well, we have, we have straight handheld, we had shoulder mounted and you could carry
50:18SPEAKERit around and you'd get like camera bounce.
50:20SPEAKERWe could smooth it out just like you do in a video game.
50:22SPEAKERSo you'd have like, like, you know, basically gyro, like super duper gyro stabilization
50:28SPEAKERslash the best steady cam operator in the world.
50:32SPEAKERBecause it's all just software.
50:34SPEAKERBut the Henson stuff, Henson's always been at the forefront of this.
50:37SPEAKERThey did like for first they did early animated faces with the hand puppet rigs so that they
50:43SPEAKERcould take their puppeteers and use the skill that they have in manipulating puppets and
50:46SPEAKERuse that for CG.
50:48SPEAKERThey'd build like cool armatures to control that stuff.
50:51SPEAKERI want to say they did, wasn't it Henson that did the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle faces,
50:55SPEAKERthe animatronic ones for the nineties movies?
50:58SPEAKERThat sounds right.
51:00SPEAKERLike, like it's like, there's a, there's a long history of technology and, and a friend
51:05SPEAKERof mine who's a puppeteer offered to introduce me there.
51:08SPEAKERAnd we just never, like, I never managed to make it happen.
51:10SPEAKERCause we, like when we were looking at different ways of doing face capture or face animation,
51:18SPEAKERmy puppeteer friend of mine was like, you should just have puppeteers do this cause
51:21SPEAKERthey'll do a better job than like putting people in front of an iPhone and having them
51:24SPEAKERtalking to the iPhone.
51:26SPEAKERBut the cost turns out there aren't that many really good puppeteers in the world.
51:32SPEAKERAnd B the cost of adding a third person to the cost and complexity of adding a third
51:38SPEAKERperson to the production, instead of having just a face actor and a voice actor and a
51:41SPEAKERbody actor face slash voice and body actor was such that it wasn't.
51:47SPEAKERI couldn't, I didn't, I didn't think it was worth investing in.
51:50SPEAKERNo.
51:51SPEAKERIt was too scary.
51:52SPEAKERBut the thing you just mentioned about like kind of physical interfaces for non-physical
51:57SPEAKEReffects reminds me of something on that ILM document and documentary on Disney plus that
52:01SPEAKERI've been watching, which I really need to go watch.
52:03SPEAKERI've got to watch it.
52:03SPEAKERYeah.
52:05SPEAKEROn poltergeist.
52:07SPEAKERI have not seen poltergeist, but I saw this sequence.
52:09SPEAKERI guess there's some kind of like, there's a shot of like some gigantic orifice.
52:13SPEAKERDo you know what I'm talking about?
52:14SPEAKERThat undulates.
52:15SPEAKERNo, I've never seen poltergeist.
52:16SPEAKERIt was poltergeist was a PG movie.
52:19SPEAKERI think it wasn't always at house.
52:20SPEAKERThat was one of those movies was shockingly PG rated.
52:24SPEAKERPoltergeist was let's see.
52:27SPEAKERBoy, they don't really a PG.
52:28SPEAKERYes.
52:29SPEAKERPoltergeist is in fact PG.
52:32SPEAKERAnyway, it's a gigantic orifice.
52:34SPEAKERIt's like a giant colon or something that the camera flies into.
52:38SPEAKERAnyway, different segments of it undulate.
52:40SPEAKERLike they could make it like throb and pulse in different places.
52:43SPEAKERJust what I want from my orifices.
52:44SPEAKERA horse who doesn't want a throbbing orifice.
52:47SPEAKERBut they hooked that up to like a tiny little segment of a piano.
52:50SPEAKERI don't know if, I don't know if it was like the eight or 10 keys or something, but it
52:53SPEAKERreally just looked like, you know, if you sliced the end of a piano off and hooked the
52:59SPEAKERdifferent segments of this orifice up to the different keys on this thing.
53:02SPEAKERAnd then Spielberg, when he was in the shop saw it and he was like, Oh my God, I want
53:05SPEAKERto play that thing.
53:07SPEAKERLiterally played this giant throbbing colon with a tiny segment of a piano.
53:14SPEAKERSo interface is a lot of it's like how you control that stuff is often the harder part
53:18SPEAKERof the, like it's often harder to make something do something than it is figuring out how to
53:22SPEAKERcontrol it in the right way.
53:23SPEAKERYeah.
53:24SPEAKEROne other quick thing that I was reading, I didn't realize that this is like the other
53:27SPEAKERdirection of what you were talking about.
53:29SPEAKERLike they add fake camera shake to footage now.
53:31SPEAKEROh yeah.
53:32SPEAKERThere's plugins for that in Premiere or After Effects rather.
53:36SPEAKERI was reading that it's like basically automated at this point.
53:38SPEAKERThat in fact, I want to say that some visual effects artists had said they can like literally
53:43SPEAKERrecognize the fake camera shake patterns in stuff that they watch because it's like all
53:48SPEAKERprogrammatically done.
53:49SPEAKERIf you don't tweak it to make it look distinct, like it's just very obvious.
53:52SPEAKERI can't remember what it was.
53:53SPEAKERThere was some footage a few years ago that people were trying to figure out whether it
54:00SPEAKERwas real or fake and the camera shake was actually the thing that tipped them off because
54:06SPEAKERsomebody was like, Hey, this isn't actually a handheld camera.
54:08SPEAKERThis is one of the camera shake algorithms.
54:10SPEAKERAnd then they recreated the motion precisely by lining up the pattern.
54:14SPEAKERYeah.
54:14SPEAKERBut I mean, it makes sense because if you can smooth something with software, you can
54:18SPEAKERadd shake to it in software.
54:19SPEAKERWhy not?
54:20SPEAKERTrue.
54:21SPEAKEROkay.
54:22SPEAKERQuick couple of questions here from Moose.
54:25SPEAKERMy significant other heard you mentioned a few months back, Will, that you use a fountain
54:28SPEAKERpen and they're interested in info, your current pen, ink and paper choice.
54:34SPEAKERSo I bought a starter kit that was recommended by someone by Lamy or Lamy.
54:40SPEAKERI don't know.
54:41SPEAKERIt's a Lamy Safari.
54:42SPEAKERL-A-M-Y.
54:44SPEAKERL-A-M-Y.
54:44SPEAKERAnd it was like 25 bucks and it came with inquiry fills.
54:49SPEAKERAnd I just literally finished the first ink.
54:52SPEAKERSo I'm still going through the ink that came with it.
54:54SPEAKERI haven't gotten to the next pack yet.
54:58SPEAKERAnd then the paper I use most of the time is just field.
55:00SPEAKERI use field.
55:01SPEAKERI take notes in field notes, notepads, they're like little shirt pocket size.
55:07SPEAKERI have two sizes.
55:08SPEAKERI have journalist size pads, which are vertical opening, slightly bigger.
55:12SPEAKERAnd then I have a shirt pocket size pads that I use for most things.
55:16SPEAKERAnd does it feel very scratchy to write with?
55:18SPEAKERNo, it feels really good.
55:19SPEAKERDoes it really?
55:20SPEAKERI would have thought that like, like, you know, a ballpoint kind of glides in a nice,
55:23SPEAKERsmooth way.
55:24SPEAKERI would, I always thought that, to be honest, I always figured that writing with a fountain
55:28SPEAKERpen was a little bit like nails on a chalkboard of just like really just scratching it across
55:31SPEAKERthe paper.
55:32SPEAKERIf you are scratching, I think you're pushing too hard.
55:35SPEAKERLike you just want to barely glide it across the surface in my experience.
55:38SPEAKEROh, that sounds kind of pleasant, actually.
55:40SPEAKERYeah.
55:40SPEAKERNext time I come, I've got to bring, I have some stuff I got to bring over to you.
55:43SPEAKERSo I'll bring it over and you can try it out next time I come over.
55:45SPEAKERThat sounds fun.
55:46SPEAKERA question from Shayat.
55:49SPEAKERHave either of you read the Bobiverse books?
55:51SPEAKERIf so, your thoughts and opinions.
55:53SPEAKERThe main character reminds me of Will, only he spends the books as the virtualized pilot
55:58SPEAKERslash OS of a von Neumann probe.
56:01SPEAKERHow would you cope with being an immortal and technologically advanced being free to
56:04SPEAKERwander all the universe, but with only copies of yourself for companionship on your immortal
56:09SPEAKERtimescale?
56:10SPEAKERThat sounds horrifying.
56:11SPEAKEROh, okay.
56:12SPEAKERSo Bobiverse books are really good.
56:13SPEAKERLike they're, they're, they're, they're not as funny as like your Douglas Adams books,
56:18SPEAKERbut they're, they're thought provoking and interesting and weird in a way that I found
56:22SPEAKERquite delightful.
56:24SPEAKERAnd I, I don't know exactly how to take that Bob reminds you of me, but that's okay.
56:30SPEAKERI guess I liked Bob's approach to that problem, which I'm not going to get into because I
56:36SPEAKERwant to spoil like the eight book series or whatever it is, but a highly, highly recommend
56:42SPEAKERreading Bobiverse.
56:44SPEAKERI would look, I mean, his approach is just, this happens in the first like five pages
56:52SPEAKERto 10 pages of the book.
56:54SPEAKERHe just starts making copies of himself, which is, I don't know that I would make copies
57:01SPEAKERof myself.
57:02SPEAKERYeah.
57:02SPEAKERI mean, do they all have full agency because like just spawning a bunch of like techno
57:06SPEAKERgods willy nilly maybe seems like a bad idea.
57:09SPEAKERNo, they're just like spaceships.
57:11SPEAKEROkay.
57:12SPEAKERYeah.
57:12SPEAKERInterstellar spaceships, lots of power, you know, it's fine.
57:15SPEAKERWhat if one of them comes out evil?
57:17SPEAKERWell, what if Brad, what if, I mean, obviously look, same inputs, same outputs.
57:24SPEAKERYou should, should be, should be, they should all be pretty mellow.
57:27SPEAKERI mean, the nice thing about the Bobiverse is that Bob is a pretty chill guy.
57:32SPEAKERSo, you know, the, the Bobiverse pretty chill place.
57:37SPEAKERI don't know.
57:38SPEAKERI don't know what, I can't imagine what I would do with an immortal timescale.
57:41SPEAKERThat sounds horrifying.
57:43SPEAKERI have no response.
57:44SPEAKERI don't want, I don't want to live long enough to watch stars die.
57:47SPEAKERIt's too big a question.
57:48SPEAKERLike I'm sitting here trying to wrap my head around it and I actually just, it's dizzying.
57:52SPEAKERYeah. Like I think, I think, I think like you'd go through a path where you do some,
57:56SPEAKERlike you do some exploring, you'd see some stuff.
57:59SPEAKERIt's like, it's like, it's like when you're 30 and you're thinking about having kids,
58:03SPEAKERyou're like, I'm going to go to Disney world.
58:04SPEAKERThat sounds like it'll be fun.
58:05SPEAKERThen you get to Disney world and they're like, man, I don't know if Disney world is as much
58:08SPEAKERfun as I thought it was.
58:09SPEAKERThere's a lot of people here.
58:09SPEAKERIt's, it's, I'm a little, little claustrophobic and the rides are kind of like, not like the
58:14SPEAKERrollercoasters are pretty good, but they're not like, you're not going upside down or
58:17SPEAKERanything really cool.
58:19SPEAKERAnd then you're like, well, maybe I should go do something in nature.
58:22SPEAKERAnd you go do something in nature and you're like, no, nature's okay.
58:24SPEAKERI guess.
58:25SPEAKERAnd then you get real into like mountain climbing or some weird hobby.
58:29SPEAKERAnd then you, then you have to figure out what to do with the last 20 years of your
58:31SPEAKERlife and you begin to probably, you know, acid or something.
58:35SPEAKERI don't know.
58:36SPEAKERThat's a good way to pass 20 years.
58:38SPEAKERYeah.
58:39SPEAKERWe just watched that episode of Star Trek where they genetically, like a society they
58:43SPEAKERcome upon had genetically engineered a way for people to live, let's say 60,000 years
58:48SPEAKEReach, something like that.
58:49SPEAKERYeah.
58:50SPEAKERI think is how the math worked out.
58:52SPEAKERI, I would have to double check the math.
58:54SPEAKERDo you, do you know the episode I'm talking about?
58:55SPEAKERLike the TNG?
58:56SPEAKERNo, no, no.
58:57SPEAKERThe original series, the premise, the premise is that they, they engineered their biology
59:01SPEAKERin such a way that for every, for every century that they live, their body only ages one
59:07SPEAKERmonth.
59:08SPEAKERSo you can do the math there, but I don't remember that one.
59:10SPEAKERIt might be from the, I haven't watched as many of the last season.
59:12SPEAKERAlso, it didn't work, killed all the adults.
59:14SPEAKERLike the, the, the rub of the episode is that the virus that they engineered went haywire
59:19SPEAKERand killed all the adults and only the children survived.
59:21SPEAKERSo now it's a tiny island society of forever children.
59:25SPEAKERIt's Lord of the Flies.
59:27SPEAKERBasically, yes.
59:27SPEAKERYeah.
59:28SPEAKERNo, I have seen that one.
59:29SPEAKERBut setting that stuff aside, just the kind of thought experiment of like, how long is
59:32SPEAKERtoo long to live?
59:33SPEAKERHow long, how long before you truly get bored?
59:35SPEAKERLike, like human mind can't even comprehend of the idea of living for a thousand years,
59:39SPEAKERlet alone that long.
59:40SPEAKERYeah.
59:40SPEAKERI think the boredom would be the thing that would get me.
59:43SPEAKERHave you watched Strange New Worlds yet?
59:45SPEAKERNo.
59:45SPEAKERYou need to watch Strange New Worlds.
59:46SPEAKERYeah, I should.
59:47SPEAKERIt's really good.
59:48SPEAKERYou also should watch Lower Decks.
59:49SPEAKERBoth of those are very good.
59:50SPEAKERThere's a new season at Lower Decks like next week or something.
59:53SPEAKEROkay.
59:53SPEAKERLet's do two more real quick here.
59:55SPEAKERGauge 006.
59:56SPEAKERI live in an apartment with great Google fiber.
59:58SPEAKERHowever, there's only one fiber jack in the living room and no ethernet in the walls.
1:00:02SPEAKERWhat's the best way to get near ethernet speed in my office?
1:00:05SPEAKERA cable in the hallway isn't an option.
1:00:08SPEAKERI'm going to make a novel solution here.
1:00:11SPEAKERLiving room in the office, office in the living room.
1:00:14SPEAKERWait, I'm sorry.
1:00:14SPEAKERCan you just flip flop it?
1:00:16SPEAKERHuh?
1:00:16SPEAKERYeah, these are arbitrary constructs implied by society.
1:00:23SPEAKERYou don't have to follow society's rules.
1:00:25SPEAKERWho's your apartment complex to tell you that's the living room and that's the office?
1:00:28SPEAKERThat's fair.
1:00:29SPEAKERThat's, you know, live how you want to live.
1:00:31SPEAKERI was going to say the two, I've never tried either of these,
1:00:34SPEAKERbut the two classic options are a power outlet, power line networking.
1:00:40SPEAKERI mean, they're fine.
1:00:41SPEAKERMocha sounds like it's better than my understanding.
1:00:44SPEAKERAgain, you can look up numbers like my understanding is the power line networking
1:00:48SPEAKERis less reliable and it has a lot of latency.
1:00:50SPEAKERYeah, the power line network is more latent than wifi.
1:00:53SPEAKERAnd also will has a tendency if the wire at the house is wired badly to bleed out to your
1:01:00SPEAKERneighbors.
1:01:00SPEAKERSo you have to encrypt it.
1:01:02SPEAKEROh, yikes.
1:01:02SPEAKERLess of a problem now than it used to be when they were all unencrypted devices.
1:01:05SPEAKERBut now it's, it's the same as using WPA with wifi, right?
1:01:09SPEAKERSure.
1:01:09SPEAKERSounds like Mocha is probably a way better option from what I gather.
1:01:13SPEAKERThat uses coax in your walls.
1:01:14SPEAKERSo if you have coaxial cable, like from the cable company installed in multiple places,
1:01:18SPEAKERyou can put adapters on there and run through that.
1:01:21SPEAKERAnd that sounds like it's pretty good.
1:01:23SPEAKERI think the big problem there is it's just pretty expensive.
1:01:25SPEAKERI think like the other 200 boxes, probably for the boxes, a little, little bit of research,
1:01:30SPEAKERlike the cheapest I've seen, like a pair of Mocha adapters was like 150 bucks.
1:01:34SPEAKERThe the other thing, the other option in this is wifi, a X is pretty good.
1:01:41SPEAKERWifi six is pretty good.
1:01:44SPEAKERYou're going to have a little more latency than you would with a wire.
1:01:47SPEAKERThe other, other thing is if you have carpet in your apartment, you can do the old sneaky,
1:01:53SPEAKERrun it around the jam, the cable under the trim between the carpet and the trim.
1:01:58SPEAKERAnd that works great.
1:01:59SPEAKERAnd no one will ever know what shirt has done it before.
1:02:02SPEAKERYeah.
1:02:02SPEAKERJust get a skinny, skinny ethernet cable.
1:02:05SPEAKERYou can also get flat ethernet cables that might even slide into the trim with hardware
1:02:09SPEAKERif the trim is low enough.
1:02:11SPEAKERYeah.
1:02:11SPEAKERLike cable purists will tell you that that's not great for signal quality.
1:02:16SPEAKERYou know what is, is it better than wifi or worse than wifi?
1:02:19SPEAKERThat's the question you have to ask yourself.
1:02:21SPEAKERI think technically they're supposed to be twisted, right?
1:02:23SPEAKERBut then again, they also said you couldn't round IDE cables and look at us now.
1:02:28SPEAKERWell, the pairs can still be twisted inside the flat one.
1:02:31SPEAKERYeah.
1:02:31SPEAKERI think, I think most of them are not as the complaint that I've seen.
1:02:34SPEAKERI think that's, I, yeah.
1:02:35SPEAKERI have a little flat ethernet cable I use for something and it works fine.
1:02:38SPEAKERI, I, what I will tell you is I have taken the four pairs out of ethernet, an ethernet
1:02:43SPEAKERcable before untwisted them, plugged it in and it doesn't work.
1:02:47SPEAKERSo they're doing something with the flat cables to make them work.
1:02:50SPEAKERI do not know what it is.
1:02:51SPEAKERInteresting.
1:02:51SPEAKERYeah.
1:02:52SPEAKERHuh.
1:02:52SPEAKEROkay.
1:02:53SPEAKERLast question.
1:02:54SPEAKERHit me.
1:02:54SPEAKERThat's another cake batter.
1:02:56SPEAKERShould I run for municipal council?
1:02:58SPEAKERYes.
1:02:58SPEAKERYes.
1:02:59SPEAKERAbsolutely.
1:02:59SPEAKERExtremely yes.
1:03:01SPEAKERCake.
1:03:01SPEAKERIf you get elected to local government, I'm moving to your town or village or Hamlet or
1:03:05SPEAKERwhatever it is.
1:03:07SPEAKERI started getting spam asking me to run for office last month or two months ago.
1:03:11SPEAKERInteresting spam.
1:03:12SPEAKERText spam.
1:03:13SPEAKERHuh.
1:03:14SPEAKERIs that like scam spam?
1:03:15SPEAKERI'm trying to think.
1:03:15SPEAKERWhat is their angle?
1:03:16SPEAKERWell, so I engaged because I was curious.
1:03:19SPEAKERMaybe it's just actually truly genuinely civic minded responsible citizens.
1:03:24SPEAKERIt's an outreach group put together by the DNC.
1:03:27SPEAKEROh.
1:03:27SPEAKERTrying to get people to run for local office.
1:03:29SPEAKERAnd they looked at, because they had my information and knew who I was because I had signed up
1:03:33SPEAKERto donate money at some point.
1:03:35SPEAKERThey were able to look up my voting records and they were like, Hey, you voted in all
1:03:38SPEAKERthe elections.
1:03:39SPEAKERThat's pretty good.
1:03:40SPEAKERYou're clearly interested.
1:03:44SPEAKERI politely declined because I'm over overburdened right now.
1:03:47SPEAKERI did not want to be the, on the garbage board of Pacifica or whatever they wanted me to
1:03:50SPEAKERrun for.
1:03:51SPEAKERBut anyway, yes, everybody should run for local office, run for the school board, run
1:03:55SPEAKERfor the city council, run for, well, not everybody.
1:03:58SPEAKERIf you, if you, if you think some people have more rights than other people, don't run.
1:04:02SPEAKERThat's my advice.
1:04:03SPEAKERYeah.
1:04:03SPEAKERThat's, that sounds pretty sound.
1:04:05SPEAKERYeah.
1:04:06SPEAKERI don't even need to know cake's electoral platform.
1:04:09SPEAKERI think cake's probably fine.
1:04:10SPEAKERIt's policy.
1:04:11SPEAKERI'm just going to assume if he gets elected, it'll, it'll be, it'll be a trashcan generating
1:04:15SPEAKERweather data on every corner.
1:04:17SPEAKERAnd I am, I'm excited for that.
1:04:19SPEAKERBringing the darkness to city government, local government.
1:04:22SPEAKERI'm all for that.
1:04:23SPEAKERYes, indeed.
1:04:24SPEAKERAll right.
1:04:25SPEAKERBrad.
1:04:26SPEAKERYes.
1:04:26SPEAKERAre we at the end?
1:04:27SPEAKEROh, how, how do people, if people enjoyed this episode and would like to submit their
1:04:30SPEAKERown questions, how would they do that?
1:04:32SPEAKERIf you're on the discord, go to the questions seeking answers channel and drop them in there.
1:04:37SPEAKERAlso, we, we get this pretty regularly.
1:04:39SPEAKERI'll just mention this real quick that we see people once or twice a month saying like,
1:04:43SPEAKERHey, I can actually see the questions in here right now.
1:04:44SPEAKERThat's just an artifact of the way the discord hides questions, hides, hides comments.
1:04:49SPEAKERYeah.
1:04:50SPEAKERIf you're, what is it?
1:04:51SPEAKERI think if you're signed in and in that channel, when somebody asks things, you'll see that.
1:04:55SPEAKERIf you are sitting looking at that channel while the people are posting questions, then
1:04:58SPEAKERthey won't go away until the next time you exit and come back to the channel.
1:05:01SPEAKERYes.
1:05:02SPEAKERYeah.
1:05:02SPEAKERSo there's, there's nothing we can do about that part.
1:05:04SPEAKERSo like, don't, don't also don't confess to murders or anything like, like, I don't want
1:05:08SPEAKERto have to take legal action in that channel.
1:05:10SPEAKERIt's not, this isn't a place.
1:05:11SPEAKERThis isn't like confession to take that to your priest.
1:05:15SPEAKERYeah.
1:05:16SPEAKERThis is a Q is turning into A's.
1:05:18SPEAKERYes, indeed.
1:05:19SPEAKEROr they can send their questions to the email address techpod@content.town.
1:05:24SPEAKERYou mean techpod@content.town?
1:05:25SPEAKERI do mean techpod@content.town.
1:05:28SPEAKERAnd then we will occasionally turn those Q's into A's as well.
1:05:30SPEAKERThat's right.
1:05:31SPEAKERAlso, we always end up with a surplus.
1:05:34SPEAKERWe didn't get to nearly all of these questions today.
1:05:36SPEAKERLook, December is going to be oops all questions month.
1:05:38SPEAKERWe're just going to do a whole year's worth of questions in one month.
1:05:43SPEAKEROctober cast season is coming.
1:05:45SPEAKEROh man.
1:05:45SPEAKERI haven't done an October cast in a long time.
1:05:47SPEAKERI cannot, I physically cannot stay up for 24 hours anymore.
1:05:51SPEAKERJust can't.
1:05:51SPEAKERYou know, Brad, there's two of us.
1:05:53SPEAKERWe could do 12 hours each.
1:05:56SPEAKERI'm going to be raising money for AbleGamers next month on Twitch.
1:05:59SPEAKERAnd for the old timers who liked watching me build Lego back in the day, I've been streaming
1:06:05SPEAKERLego builds at night, which has been fun lately, but this is the part of the show where we
1:06:10SPEAKERthank our patrons.
1:06:11SPEAKERThank you, patrons.
1:06:12SPEAKERBecause the tech pod is a listener supported show and we appreciate all of you all.
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1:06:29SPEAKERSuch as Andrew Slosky, Paddle Creek Games, makers of Fractured Veil, James Kamik, Joel
1:06:35SPEAKERKrauska, Octothorpe, Twinkie has a new pick and place, Wedge assistant and Wedge assistant
1:06:41SPEAKERto the thread club manager.
1:06:44SPEAKERWe added an Australia channel to the discord the other day.
1:06:47SPEAKERYou did.
1:06:48SPEAKERYeah.
1:06:49SPEAKERAnd we added a book club channel so they could have threads for each weeks or months books
1:06:55SPEAKERunder the, under the book club channel.
1:06:57SPEAKERWe've got multiple clubs now.
1:07:00SPEAKERYeah.
1:07:00SPEAKERThe book club's going places.
1:07:02SPEAKERThey're doing, they're doing a lot of, they're picking good books.
1:07:04SPEAKERI'm excited about what they're reading.
1:07:05SPEAKERI think I'm going to read the next one because I can't remember what it was off the top of
1:07:07SPEAKERmy head, but I remember looking at the thing.
1:07:08SPEAKEROh man, that looks pretty good.
1:07:10SPEAKERI might need to get on that too.
1:07:11SPEAKERI've got this new Kindle I need to read more.
1:07:13SPEAKERYeah.
1:07:14SPEAKERSo I ended up getting one of the new Kindles the other day too.
1:07:17SPEAKERWhen they were on sale again.
1:07:18SPEAKERPaper white.
1:07:18SPEAKERYeah.
1:07:19SPEAKERPaper white.
1:07:19SPEAKERIt's pretty good.
1:07:20SPEAKERIt's too big.
1:07:22SPEAKERI can't one hand it as well as I used to.
1:07:24SPEAKEROh really?
1:07:24SPEAKERI think it's just right.
1:07:26SPEAKERYeah.
1:07:26SPEAKERAnyway, we also thank our associate producers here, patrons at the, at the end of the month
1:07:31SPEAKERof the Q and a episode.
1:07:32SPEAKERSo we would like to thank Andre M Burke, Arthur Geese, Dave Julian, Eric Klein, Graham Banks,
1:07:38SPEAKERJad Rita, Jason Neelan, Jay Mabey, Joseph Thorne, Nathan Phelps, Steve Lynn, Thomas
1:07:44SPEAKERShay, and Travis Rosner.
1:07:45SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.
1:07:46SPEAKERWe appreciate you.
1:07:47SPEAKERYes, thank you.
1:07:48SPEAKERThank you to all.
1:07:49SPEAKERAnd I think that's going to do it for us this month.
1:07:52SPEAKERI can confirm it's going to do it.
1:07:54SPEAKERWe will see you all next week.
1:07:58SPEAKERBye everybody.