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149: The Rhythm Nation Test Suite

2022-08-28 · 1:07:59

00:00SPEAKERI built something last night and I want to show it to you.

00:03SPEAKERAnd this is a bad audio podcast, but I know.

00:05SPEAKEROkay. You said it, not me.

00:07SPEAKERWow.

00:09SPEAKERI built the Lego NES.

00:10SPEAKERHang on, can you hold that back up?

00:11SPEAKERI'll try to paint a word picture.

00:13SPEAKERI'll describe this tableau.

00:14SPEAKERPaint a word picture.

00:15SPEAKERWait, is that mushroom a slice of pizza?

00:18SPEAKERIt's a quarter round flat piece of Lego.

00:23SPEAKERI don't think mushrooms come in triangular shape.

00:25SPEAKERLook, there's a reason the mushroom is triangular,

00:26SPEAKERbut I can't tell you that without spoilers, okay?

00:29SPEAKEROh, wait, the goombas are also triangular.

00:31SPEAKERBut you want to see the best part of this thing?

00:33SPEAKERLet me bring it over to the microphone.

00:36SPEAKERWow.

00:38SPEAKERIt's like a 1-1 flip book.

00:41SPEAKERIt's like a tank tread 1-1.

00:43SPEAKERIs that actual 1-1?

00:44SPEAKERCan you hold it back up?

00:45SPEAKERIt's actual 1-1.

00:45SPEAKERIt's like the back half of 1-1.

00:46SPEAKERIt's after the second pitfall.

00:48SPEAKERI did not look at...

00:50SPEAKEROh yeah, okay, sure.

00:51SPEAKERYeah, it's after the secondary...

00:52SPEAKERIt's like after the pipes before you get to the three stack of the 3-2-1

00:58SPEAKERlike block with the star at the top.

01:00SPEAKERDid you follow a plan for that or did you actually lay out that level design yourself?

01:05SPEAKERYou know, I just pulled it from my brain.

01:06SPEAKERNo, of course I followed a plan.

01:07SPEAKERAre you kidding?

01:08SPEAKERGood God, man.

01:09SPEAKERI don't know.

01:09SPEAKERI'm not that kind of...

01:10SPEAKERI'm okay at Lego, but I am not build 1-1 out of a bunch of Lego pieces in my head good at Lego.

01:17SPEAKEREven after all this time, I don't know if I've got the best read on how technically inclined you are.

01:23SPEAKERLook, I am really, really good at following instructions.

01:26SPEAKEROkay, sure.

01:27SPEAKERAnd I can take two technologies that already exist and glue them together pretty effectively.

01:34SPEAKERThe coolest thing I ever figured out was how to get eye movement right in FU,

01:38SPEAKERwhich was we weighted every object in the world with the material system

01:42SPEAKERin the thing we built and with general levels of interest.

01:47SPEAKERAnd then we built a gradient that had a fractional, given some IP here, away today, I guess.

01:54SPEAKERWe had a gradient that started with the center point of where your eye is pointing,

01:57SPEAKERthe ray that comes straight out from your eye.

02:00SPEAKERAnd the number got lower the further you got away from there.

02:04SPEAKERSo those two things multiplied by each other.

02:06SPEAKERAnd then your eye just looked at the thing that was the most interesting in that cone of view.

02:11SPEAKERAnd that gave you pretty good eye movements and saccades and let you focus on things like

02:17SPEAKERother people's eyeballs and mouths and watch the objects that they're holding and things like that.

02:22SPEAKERNow, whoever is defining what is arbitrarily interesting in the scene

02:25SPEAKERsuddenly has a lot of power over how the eyes work.

02:29SPEAKERYeah, we had a really fun one where we left a decimal point out one time.

02:32SPEAKERAnd there was a beaker in one of the episodes that was just the most interesting thing in the world.

02:37SPEAKERSo everybody's eyes tracked it, whether it was in front of them or not.

02:39SPEAKERI wish we lived in a world where a beaker was the most interesting thing to go.

02:43SPEAKERLook, Brad, the thing that was worrisome was when you turned away from the beaker,

02:45SPEAKERyour eyes stayed locked onto the beaker.

02:47SPEAKERSo your eyes just rolled back into your head the further you went.

02:52SPEAKERAnd the worst part is there's bigger eyes on the back of the eyeballs in the Fusho models.

02:58SPEAKERWhy?

02:59SPEAKERWe tried two different size eyes and it was easier to just

03:02SPEAKERdo them again than it was to replace them.

03:04SPEAKERYou can just peel off the back eye?

03:07SPEAKERLook, man, we're not in the eye peeling business here.

03:10SPEAKERWe're making VR content.

03:11SPEAKERIt's not eye peeling you do on your own.

03:14SPEAKERThat's some saw business.

03:15SPEAKERWe're not making that kind of, we're making family-friendly content, Brad.

03:19SPEAKERVR.

03:21SPEAKERIt's for kids.

03:45SPEAKER[Music]

03:51SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

03:53SPEAKERI'm Will.

03:54SPEAKERI'm Brad.

03:55SPEAKERHow you doing, Brad?

03:56SPEAKERI'm doing well.

03:56SPEAKERI've noticed that I've felt a little bit of an announcer voice on that intro.

03:59SPEAKERI'm Brad.

04:01SPEAKERI'm Brad.

04:03SPEAKERI'm always jealous of like the radio color guys that sit in the booth and have like,

04:07SPEAKERjust like their whole job is to be interesting and have good voices.

04:11SPEAKERFor sure, you know who, who I feel like is a, as an underappreciated voice is Rod Roddy.

04:16SPEAKEROh, Price is Right announcer Rod Roddy.

04:18SPEAKERYes.

04:19SPEAKERCome on down.

04:20SPEAKERYeah.

04:21SPEAKERCome on down to that.

04:21SPEAKERNow that's a line.

04:22SPEAKERCome on down.

04:24SPEAKERYou're the next contestant.

04:25SPEAKERDo you, do you think, well, okay.

04:27SPEAKERFirst off, how far back do you think he, like he has to have a radio announcer mic, right?

04:32SPEAKERLike he has a big, like an old timey.

04:34SPEAKERI don't know.

04:35SPEAKERLike Bob Barker was famous for the skinny mic.

04:38SPEAKERI don't know if there, is there a name for that thing?

04:41SPEAKERThe one that, well, Vinnie bought one.

04:43SPEAKERRight.

04:43SPEAKERWhen we were at whiskey, remember?

04:44SPEAKERI remember everyone was very excited that we got the Price is Right mic.

04:47SPEAKERIt was, it was.

04:48SPEAKERRyan in particular, I seem to remember was, I mean, there was, but there was also like,

04:52SPEAKERafter we got back to CBS, there was always talk of going and shooting something on the

04:56SPEAKERPrice is Right set.

04:56SPEAKERI think there was a lot of Price is Right fandom in that group.

05:00SPEAKERI mean, I love Price is Right.

05:01SPEAKERI don't, I don't, I don't know what it is.

05:04SPEAKERLike, okay.

05:06SPEAKERThe Price is Right thing.

05:07SPEAKERThere's so many good stories about the Price is Right.

05:08SPEAKERLike there's the guy that, that made the spreadsheet of all the prices and realized

05:12SPEAKERthat they just use the same prices over and over again.

05:14SPEAKERIf he memorized a few thousand things, then he could exactly hit the price every time.

05:18SPEAKERWait, hang on.

05:19SPEAKERThere was a card counter, but for the Price is Right?

05:21SPEAKEROh, did you not, have you never heard this story?

05:23SPEAKERI don't think so.

05:24SPEAKEROh, it's incredible.

05:24SPEAKERThey did a documentary about him.

05:26SPEAKERHe, he, he like tracked the prices on things for years and went to sit on the show every

05:32SPEAKERday.

05:33SPEAKERAnd one day he, you know, they, they, they knew him and one day they put him on.

05:36SPEAKERRight.

05:37SPEAKERAnd he hit the showcase, he hit the first round where you have to guess to get on the

05:41SPEAKERcontest.

05:41SPEAKERExactly.

05:42SPEAKERRight.

05:42SPEAKERI want to say he missed the second round, but he rolled well in the, in the, on the spin,

05:47SPEAKERspin the big wheel bit.

05:49SPEAKERSo he went to the showcase and he hit the showcase exactly on the dollar.

05:53SPEAKERNo way.

05:54SPEAKERYeah.

05:54SPEAKERBut did you get something special for doing that?

05:56SPEAKERI forget.

05:57SPEAKERYeah.

05:57SPEAKERYou get both showcases if you're within a hundred bucks.

05:59SPEAKERWow.

06:00SPEAKERAnd they thought he cheated.

06:02SPEAKERThey thought he was cheating.

06:02SPEAKERThey thought he had like somebody on the inside or something like that.

06:04SPEAKERSo they never had the episode was right after Drew Carey took over and, and like when they

06:09SPEAKERtalked to Drew Carey about it, Drew Carey was like, look, I took over this thing that

06:12SPEAKERhad been running for 60 years or 50 years or something.

06:14SPEAKERAnd I was afraid that two months in I had killed it.

06:16SPEAKERRight.

06:19SPEAKERIt's fabulous.

06:20SPEAKERI'll dig it up.

06:20SPEAKERI'll put it in the show notes.

06:21SPEAKERHang on.

06:21SPEAKERDo you kill the show by running an episode with someone who you think cheated or do you

06:25SPEAKERkill it by not honoring your obligation to a guy who won?

06:28SPEAKERBut you kill the show by allowing cheaters to prosper.

06:31SPEAKERBut is that cheating?

06:32SPEAKERNo, it's not.

06:33SPEAKERThat's the thing that doesn't sound like cheating to me.

06:35SPEAKERThey, they messed up, but it's, it's the thing that they'd been doing for years.

06:38SPEAKERAnd nobody had, nobody had like internetized it and, you know, done the, see, I wrapped

06:42SPEAKERit back around.

06:43SPEAKERSo it's a technology thing.

06:44SPEAKERWait.

06:44SPEAKERSo do they, did they ever make good on the prices?

06:46SPEAKERI assume he got the prices.

06:47SPEAKERI don't think they ever aired the episode.

06:49SPEAKERAnd that's, I bet, I bet for somebody being that big a fan of that show, I bet that's

06:53SPEAKERthe real tragedy.

06:54SPEAKERHe used to, he's one of those people who used to go on the show every day and he would

06:57SPEAKERsit in the audience and yell prices to people and was always right.

07:01SPEAKERLike just always consistently right.

07:03SPEAKERPrices, right.

07:04SPEAKERDocumentary, perfect bid, the contestant who knew too much.

07:07SPEAKERYeah.

07:08SPEAKERAnd, and when I think about it, it may be one layer deeper.

07:11SPEAKERCause it may be the person who made the perfect bid was sitting in the, was, was not the

07:16SPEAKERperson who had done the homework because they knew not to put him on.

07:19SPEAKERIt may have been that he was sitting next to the guy's wife and they were yelling.

07:23SPEAKERHe was yelling the number to them, to the person who made the perfect bid.

07:26SPEAKERAnd then the guy who made the perfect bid, I think didn't want to acknowledge that he

07:30SPEAKERhad taken the bid from somebody in the audience.

07:32SPEAKERIt's it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a real web, Brad.

07:36SPEAKERIt's on Netflix.

07:36SPEAKERIt turns out perfect bid.

07:38SPEAKERHighly recommended.

07:39SPEAKERI watched it like five years ago.

07:40SPEAKERIt's it's, it's really good.

07:41SPEAKEROr before the pandemic, maybe I can't remember which.

07:44SPEAKERYeah.

07:44SPEAKERYou should, you would like it.

07:45SPEAKERI believe if you were, I can't believe you didn't ever do anything on prices, right.

07:48SPEAKEROn the prices, right.

07:49SPEAKERSet.

07:49SPEAKERUh, I mean, that was like a boy, wouldn't that be cool if kind of thing.

07:52SPEAKERAnd then it's like, Oh, that would have to go through eight layers of people who don't

07:55SPEAKERgive a shit about us.

07:56SPEAKERIf they even know we exist.

07:58SPEAKERI was going to say I would have murdered everyone up to and including Drew Carey to do that.

08:01SPEAKERSo it's like shooting inside the big brother house.

08:03SPEAKERI don't think I don't really like, I like big brother.

08:05SPEAKERIt's entertaining.

08:05SPEAKERThe contests are good.

08:07SPEAKERI, I would love to get to walk around inside that house and see what a fucking disaster

08:11SPEAKERit is after those people live in there for 90 days, it's gotta be real.

08:15SPEAKERDuded.

08:16SPEAKERNo, thank you.

08:16SPEAKERI think I, if I remember, I think the talk was of like, Oh, how great would it be to

08:20SPEAKERdo game of the year segments on the prices, right?

08:22SPEAKERSet.

08:23SPEAKERThat would be amazing.

08:24SPEAKERLike how that's pretty tailor made for that.

08:26SPEAKERAnyway.

08:27SPEAKERDo you think they'd let you put like stuff on the wheel?

08:29SPEAKERThat's the thing.

08:30SPEAKERChange the letters, how operational is the equipment when nobody's there?

08:33SPEAKERRight.

08:33SPEAKERCould you, could you, could you do the, the, the yodeler?

08:37SPEAKERCould you do, could you play Plinko?

08:39SPEAKERI don't know.

08:39SPEAKERWhere does all that stuff live?

08:40SPEAKERThere's a warehouse.

08:42SPEAKERYeah, I guess so.

08:43SPEAKERIt's gotta be a warehouse.

08:44SPEAKERAll those machines must be pretty mobile on wheels, casters.

08:47SPEAKERThey're all on a lifty dollies.

08:49SPEAKERI bet the ones that had the foot, you know, the foot lift and doll.

08:52SPEAKERAnyway, lifty dollies, lifty dollies, technical term.

08:55SPEAKERIt's my favorite fifties musical.

08:57SPEAKERBrad, I have cues.

08:59SPEAKEROh.

09:00SPEAKERWell, I guess you have cues technically.

09:02SPEAKERI have a bunch of cues.

09:03SPEAKERI believe you have cue.

09:04SPEAKERI have cue.

09:05SPEAKERWe're going to turn them into A's though today.

09:07SPEAKERThat's what we do here at the last episode of the month.

09:09SPEAKERThat's true.

09:10SPEAKERYou have one cue from the email inbox?

09:13SPEAKERI do.

09:14SPEAKERYou mean techpod@content.town?

09:16SPEAKERI do mean that one.

09:18SPEAKERI'm sorry.

09:19SPEAKERI do mean techpod@content.town.

09:20SPEAKERThank you.

09:21SPEAKERYou gotta say it three times because people won't remember techpod@content.town if you don't do that.

09:25SPEAKERIf you have questions you would like to be turned into answers,

09:28SPEAKERyou can email them to techpod@content.town.

09:30SPEAKEROr if you are a member of the fabulous techpod patron, which supports this listener supported

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09:38SPEAKERAnd then once a month we pull out the best questions, or at least the ones that strike

09:41SPEAKERour fancy, you know, it's not really a value judgment.

09:43SPEAKERIt's more like, Hey, do I want to answer this or not?

09:45SPEAKERAnd we answer the questions.

09:47SPEAKERProbably not about orange pants though.

09:49SPEAKERSo sorry Warbird.

09:52SPEAKERDo you want to read this one or you want me to read it?

09:53SPEAKERYou go forward.

09:55SPEAKERI believe this blog article about the power of Janet Jackson may be of some interest.

09:59SPEAKERJintor.

10:00SPEAKERYes.

10:00SPEAKERSo you didn't see this going around last week.

10:02SPEAKERNo, I was pretty busy last week.

10:04SPEAKERThat's fair.

10:04SPEAKERYeah.

10:05SPEAKERIt was, it kind of is one of those things that just sort of blew up on tech Twitter for an afternoon.

10:09SPEAKERYeah.

10:10SPEAKERAnd it's like, if you, if you're logged out for the three hours and something like this

10:12SPEAKERis going around, then it's, you never see it basically.

10:17SPEAKERRight.

10:17SPEAKERSo this is a it's a blog post on like devblogs.microsoft.com,

10:23SPEAKERwhich gather is just where some Microsoft developers blog.

10:26SPEAKERAre you familiar with the name Raymond chin?

10:28SPEAKERYeah.

10:28SPEAKERRaymond.

10:29SPEAKERHe's he's a person who's been working on windows stuff for a really long time.

10:34SPEAKEROkay.

10:34SPEAKERGreat books and stuff.

10:35SPEAKERHe's a channel nine guy too.

10:36SPEAKERI believe it's channel nine.

10:38SPEAKERIt's MSDNs and Microsoft developer networks, like internal content, TV stuff.

10:43SPEAKEROkay.

10:44SPEAKEROkay.

10:44SPEAKERYeah.

10:44SPEAKERWhen this was making the rounds, a bunch of people were like, Oh, Raymond chin, like,

10:47SPEAKERlike he was a known figure and I hadn't heard of him before.

10:50SPEAKERA very short version.

10:52SPEAKERThis is about God.

10:53SPEAKERWhen is this from?

10:55SPEAKERIt's like 98, early two thousands.

10:58SPEAKERRoughly windows XP era is what he says.

11:00SPEAKERHe doesn't put a date on this.

11:02SPEAKERWhat was this in their hardware testing lab, compatibility lab or something?

11:06SPEAKERYeah, this is a normal, this is part of the normal Janet Jackson benchmark test.

11:11SPEAKERYes.

11:11SPEAKERThe rhythm nation test suite.

11:13SPEAKERYeah.

11:15SPEAKERYeah.

11:15SPEAKERThey found that playing the music video for rhythm nation on these laptops would straight

11:19SPEAKERup crash them and maybe destroy the hard drive.

11:22SPEAKERAnd then they found that it was also happening to competitors laptops.

11:26SPEAKERAnd it happened like two machines that weren't connected to each other, but were adjacent

11:30SPEAKERto each other.

11:31SPEAKERThen they finally found it was happening to like other laptops surrounding the laptop

11:35SPEAKERplaying the video.

11:37SPEAKERYep.

11:37SPEAKERIt turns out that the song contained one of the natural resonant frequencies for the model

11:41SPEAKERof 5,400 RPM laptop, hard drives that these laptops and other manufacturers used.

11:48SPEAKERSo like the natural resonant frequency, this is like the idea that this is why you can't

11:51SPEAKERride horses across the golden gate bridge is because the frequency of when their feet

11:57SPEAKERhit is, is we'll, we'll make the bridge vibrate and then wobble.

12:02SPEAKERLike the Tacoma narrows bridge did in 1940.

12:04SPEAKERAre you making this up?

12:05SPEAKERNo, this is a true thing.

12:06SPEAKERIs that really, you're not allowed to ride horses a lot of across a lot of bridges.

12:09SPEAKERWow.

12:10SPEAKERYeah.

12:11SPEAKERHuh?

12:11SPEAKERI wouldn't, I wouldn't think magnitude.

12:14SPEAKERLike I could, I could see, I could see the frequencies lining up, but I wouldn't think

12:17SPEAKERthat it would be strong enough to actually.

12:19SPEAKERWell, see the thing is each, each impact multiplies.

12:22SPEAKEROh, sure.

12:23SPEAKERSo you hit, you hit at the right point of the wave.

12:25SPEAKERIt's like, it's like when you're on a trampoline, you know, you're on a trampoline, two people

12:28SPEAKERwere on the trampoline, right?

12:29SPEAKEROne person goes up, right?

12:31SPEAKERWhen they, when would they hit the next person hits and you, and the person gets heated up

12:35SPEAKEReven higher.

12:35SPEAKERSo the horses do that, but with bridges and then tragedy.

12:40SPEAKEROkay.

12:40SPEAKERSo if I ever want to grind San Francisco to a halt.

12:43SPEAKERYeah.

12:44SPEAKERJust ride, just get a stampede of horses across the bridge.

12:47SPEAKERIt's also, this is also why when soldiers are marching and they cross a bridge, they

12:53SPEAKERdon't march in unison anymore.

12:55SPEAKERThey, they, they vary their foot rhythm.

12:57SPEAKERInteresting.

12:58SPEAKERYeah.

12:58SPEAKERThey're like Fremen.

12:59SPEAKERI'm sorry.

13:00SPEAKERThey're like what?

13:00SPEAKERFremen, you know, from Dune, they, they don't walk with the pattern cause the sandworms

13:04SPEAKERwill eat them.

13:04SPEAKERIt's the same thing, except for, you know, less resonant frequencies there and more horrible

13:08SPEAKERgiant monsters.

13:09SPEAKERI've never experienced Dune in any form.

13:11SPEAKERWell, I know what our next movie is.

13:13SPEAKERGreat.

13:14SPEAKERIs that tech enough?

13:15SPEAKERYeah.

13:16SPEAKERIs it?

13:16SPEAKERI'm going to say yes.

13:17SPEAKERHuh?

13:18SPEAKERInteresting.

13:19SPEAKERAnd look, the new one's good.

13:20SPEAKERI like it a lot, but we're watching the David Lynch one first cause you can't appreciate

13:24SPEAKERthe new one without having the madness of horny sting as, as, uh, as the young Harkonnen.

13:31SPEAKERAnd poor war games just got its place in line jumped.

13:34SPEAKERSorry, war games.

13:35SPEAKERSo, so this blog goes on to say the manufacturer worked around this problem by adding a custom

13:39SPEAKERfilter in the audio pipeline that detected and removed the offending frequencies during

13:43SPEAKERaudio playback.

13:44SPEAKERYou think, is he talking about a hardware filter?

13:46SPEAKERMy guess is a software filter.

13:48SPEAKEROh yeah.

13:48SPEAKEROkay.

13:49SPEAKERYeah.

13:49SPEAKERHe said a digital version of a do not remove sticker on that audio filter.

13:52SPEAKERSo it must be software.

13:53SPEAKERYeah.

13:53SPEAKERIt's a commented in code.

13:55SPEAKERYeah.

13:56SPEAKERBut then that wouldn't survive like an OS swap.

13:59SPEAKERLike what if you put Linux on that?

14:01SPEAKERWell, it's probably just downhill, right?

14:03SPEAKEROh yeah.

14:04SPEAKERIt's probably not in the Linux, but it's probably like all subsequent versions of windows.

14:06SPEAKEROh yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:07SPEAKERJust filter out.

14:08SPEAKERThat's why I mean, if you put something other than windows on here.

14:11SPEAKERI wonder, I wonder, I wonder if I play rhythm nation on my computer now, if it's still

14:15SPEAKERfiltering, like, I wonder if I'm not hearing rhythm nation all these years later as Janet

14:19SPEAKERJackson intended it to be heard because of this audio filter.

14:23SPEAKERWe as a nation have been robbed.

14:25SPEAKERIt's less of a rhythm nation than it was before.

14:28SPEAKERThat's that's man.

14:29SPEAKERYou're telling me.

14:30SPEAKERThanks.

14:30SPEAKERWindows XP.

14:31SPEAKERThis is a funny story.

14:32SPEAKERI like that would have been perplexing the computers crashing computers adjacent to,

14:37SPEAKERbut not connected to that's a good one, but that was a fun one to diagnose.

14:41SPEAKERYeah.

14:42SPEAKERI wonder how many hard drives they killed figuring that out.

14:44SPEAKERThat's my question.

14:46SPEAKERToo many.

14:47SPEAKERIt was a lot.

14:47SPEAKERToo many have fallen.

14:49SPEAKERYeah.

14:50SPEAKEROkay.

14:50SPEAKERI actually didn't say that.

14:52SPEAKERDid he say killed them or it was just crashing them?

14:54SPEAKERLike it maybe just temporarily disrupted them.

14:56SPEAKERI assume when you're talking about resonant failures on hard drives and that means splatters

15:00SPEAKERstarted wobbling and whacking into things.

15:02SPEAKERSure, sure.

15:04SPEAKERThe literal definition of a crash.

15:06SPEAKERFair.

15:07SPEAKEROkay.

15:07SPEAKERLet's move on to Discord questions.

15:10SPEAKERHere is one from Quasar.

15:13SPEAKERWhy don't either of you have a Wikipedia page?

15:16SPEAKERI do not fit the, I do not attain the noteworthiness guidelines and, or no one has ever made one

15:23SPEAKERfor me and, or I am not going to make my own Wikipedia page because that is sad.

15:28SPEAKERYes.

15:28SPEAKERThe latter two of those were my answer.

15:30SPEAKERI didn't realize, do they actually have like stringent guidelines for who can have a page?

15:33SPEAKERI didn't, I didn't, I thought it was fairly loose.

15:35SPEAKERI thought, I thought it was much more down to did somebody care enough to go make one

15:39SPEAKERand not, not as much like, Oh, you have to meet some bar.

15:42SPEAKERThere's a bar.

15:43SPEAKERIs there really?

15:44SPEAKERYeah.

15:46SPEAKERHold on.

15:47SPEAKERNotoriety.

15:49SPEAKERYou have to be a certain level of notoriety to warrant a Wikipedia page.

15:52SPEAKEROh yeah.

15:52SPEAKERNotability.

15:53SPEAKERNotability.

15:54SPEAKERThat's it.

15:55SPEAKERNotability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.

16:00SPEAKERI know this because I, for a while in the olden times, I used to like to go to people who

16:08SPEAKERdidn't have the right notability for a Wikipedia page and put the tag that this does not meet the

16:13SPEAKERnotability guidelines on their pages.

16:15SPEAKEROh man.

16:16SPEAKERThat's ruthless.

16:17SPEAKERNot friends, just to be clear.

16:19SPEAKERI mean, you, I'm sure you have seen the individual person Wikipedia pages that are very clearly

16:25SPEAKERcontributed to by said person.

16:26SPEAKERAlmost all of them that are not like actual celebrities or famous people.

16:30SPEAKERThe ones, the ones that are extremely glowing about the person's achievements.

16:34SPEAKERYes.

16:35SPEAKERThe one that looks like they just copied and pasted their CV.

16:38SPEAKERYeah.

16:39SPEAKERI'm not going to go through this.

16:41SPEAKERI've got the general notability guidelines in front of me, but.

16:44SPEAKERYep.

16:45SPEAKERI was on the maximum PC page for a long time and I, there used to be a tested page.

16:48SPEAKERI don't know if they still is.

16:50SPEAKERYeah.

16:50SPEAKERYeah.

16:50SPEAKERI mean, I think my name is mentioned on a couple of pages more general.

16:56SPEAKERI feel like I probably don't need a Wikipedia page.

16:58SPEAKERI don't know that I've done enough that's of worth to warrant one at this point.

17:01SPEAKERI think I would much prefer not having one actually.

17:04SPEAKERPlus there are other Will Smith's.

17:06SPEAKERAnd like you said, going and making your own page is pathetic.

17:09SPEAKERSad.

17:10SPEAKERYes.

17:12SPEAKERQuestion from fortune.

17:14SPEAKERMost of the, you can make a podcast at home.

17:16SPEAKERThings I have seen concentrate almost entirely on microphones and other hardware.

17:19SPEAKERIs it possible to spend some time going over the other side of things?

17:23SPEAKEREditing software, distribution, tracking, listener stats, ad reads, et cetera.

17:26SPEAKERThat could be a whole episode going over all of that stuff, but we could,

17:30SPEAKERwe could summarize quickly some stuff.

17:32SPEAKERYeah.

17:34SPEAKERThere's a bazillion audio editors at this point.

17:36SPEAKERYou can do it in audacity easily.

17:38SPEAKERWe use audacity and audition and are kind of trying to try working on transitioning to Reaper,

17:43SPEAKERbut getting the filtering set up right is a little bit challenging.

17:48SPEAKERDistribution is easy.

17:51SPEAKERLike there are in the old days, you had to set up a WordPress blog and then find someplace

17:55SPEAKERto host the file and like archive.org.

17:56SPEAKERAnd then you generate a plugin and they generate an RSS feed.

17:59SPEAKERIt was a big pain in the ass.

18:00SPEAKERYou don't have to do that anymore.

18:01SPEAKERYeah.

18:02SPEAKERNow you pay solutions.

18:04SPEAKERYeah, you pay Libsyn five bucks a month or simple cast 15 bucks a month or any number

18:08SPEAKERof other podcasts hosts.

18:11SPEAKERLike they're inexpensive starter plans.

18:14SPEAKERAnd basically the thing that varies between them is how they charge, if they charge for

18:20SPEAKERoverage in terms of numbers of episodes downloaded or numbers of episodes uploaded in some cases.

18:28SPEAKERSome people charge more for hosting for more listeners.

18:31SPEAKERSome people charge more for hosting a IAB, which is the international advertisers

18:37SPEAKERBureau Bureau, I think internet advertising Bureau for IAB compliant metrics, which means

18:44SPEAKERyou can put advertising on your podcast.

18:46SPEAKERYeah.

18:46SPEAKERSome of the backends that you'll see on podcast hosts literally let you toggle between like

18:51SPEAKERstats by blank metric and IAB stats.

18:54SPEAKERLike there are these specific guidelines for the IAB ones where, and that just happened

18:59SPEAKERin the last gosh, five years for most of them, like this kind of podcast host didn't exist

19:04SPEAKERbefore like 2015.

19:06SPEAKERYeah.

19:06SPEAKERReally like the entirety of the podcast, like hosting an advertising business was a gigantic

19:11SPEAKERlike fly by night mess up until about that time.

19:15SPEAKERYeah.

19:15SPEAKERThe amount of money we spent hosting the podcast at whiskey media ourselves was pretty stupendous.

19:21SPEAKERRight.

19:22SPEAKERBecause there wasn't like, we couldn't just pay somebody 15 bucks a month per podcast

19:25SPEAKERto do it.

19:26SPEAKERYeah.

19:26SPEAKERThe, the other big thing that's happened with advertising is that ads have become entirely

19:30SPEAKERdecoupled from the shows they run on now.

19:33SPEAKEROh, right.

19:33SPEAKERIt's all, it's all handled dynamically.

19:35SPEAKERSo like you're doing ad reads separately and uploading them into a tool and then like campaigns

19:39SPEAKERare getting sold on the backend and those just get inserted into, into shows at time

19:44SPEAKERof download based on what campaigns are active at the moment.

19:46SPEAKERAnd where you live and what your demographics are and all that stuff.

19:49SPEAKERAnd then, and then, yeah, there's all kinds of data harvesting that they use to further

19:52SPEAKERkind of winnow down, which ads you're hearing.

19:54SPEAKERAnd I mean, the, the dynamic ads are nice from a content creator perspective because

19:59SPEAKERit takes a lot of the overhead of managing ads out of your, out of your pipeline.

20:03SPEAKERYes.

20:03SPEAKERAnd also it allows you to monetize your back catalog.

20:06SPEAKERSo yes.

20:06SPEAKERSo it's funny, like per episode downloads, aren't really a big deal now in terms of advertisers.

20:11SPEAKERIt's just how many downloads are you in a week across your whole library of shows.

20:15SPEAKERSo like if you've got three years of podcasts before, like when we baked ads into the actual

20:20SPEAKERrecording before, once the campaign, like, like say for a six month old podcast where

20:25SPEAKERthat campaign ended five months ago, people go and download that episode today.

20:28SPEAKERIt's worthless.

20:29SPEAKERLike you make nothing on it.

20:30SPEAKERYeah.

20:30SPEAKERBut I mean the content probably is still good.

20:32SPEAKERBut now since they can put active current ads into old episodes than any podcast at

20:37SPEAKERall that gets downloaded is valuable.

20:39SPEAKERYeah.

20:39SPEAKERSo if I were starting a new podcast, I would probably check out on Libsyn.

20:43SPEAKERIt's really easy to move podcasts between hosts.

20:46SPEAKERIt is.

20:46SPEAKERI mean, we did that exact thing.

20:48SPEAKERYeah.

20:48SPEAKERI can't, I don't love Libsyn's backend.

20:51SPEAKERIt's not great.

20:52SPEAKERIt's pretty dated.

20:53SPEAKERI mean, it is, it is, you're getting your $5 a month.

20:57SPEAKERBut it is very inexpensive.

20:59SPEAKERYeah.

20:59SPEAKERAnd, and if you are just doing something for fun, it doesn't make sense to pay for somebody

21:04SPEAKERthat's going to do your IAB, yeah, tricks and all that stuff.

21:07SPEAKERYeah.

21:07SPEAKERIt's a good place to start for sure.

21:10SPEAKERThe other thing we haven't talked about is the post stuff.

21:12SPEAKERSo once you, once you've edited the audio file and you have a big wave, you have to

21:17SPEAKERadd MP3 tags and also do levelator stuff, which is, I think we still used, you still

21:23SPEAKERuse levelator, right?

21:24SPEAKERSo I still, I still Chuck the export into levelator.

21:26SPEAKERIt's an old habits die hard, but also that thing works.

21:29SPEAKERIt doesn't hurt anything.

21:30SPEAKERLevelator does audio compression where it kind of brings all the levels up to the same,

21:34SPEAKERsame LUTs.

21:35SPEAKERI guess it does a bunch of stuff.

21:36SPEAKERIt's kind of like a, there's a secret sauce in there that they've never said exactly all

21:41SPEAKERof the processing that it's doing.

21:42SPEAKERNo one's exactly replicated it.

21:44SPEAKERReaper has a similar function that I, it's a little more complicated that I haven't quite

21:48SPEAKERfigured out yet.

21:49SPEAKERYeah.

21:49SPEAKERThere are also like plugins you'll see around like VSTs and stuff that claim to be like,

21:53SPEAKERHey, this is levelator, but a plugin, like people have tried to recreate it for a long

21:57SPEAKERtime.

21:57SPEAKERAlso worth mentioning the ultra shawl people who we talked about a couple of weeks ago

22:04SPEAKERreleased English language documentation the other day.

22:07SPEAKERSo I saw that they tweeted at us and we're pretty excited.

22:10SPEAKERYeah, that was cool.

22:11SPEAKERSo I got to go check that out and see if, see if my translated documentation is, is less,

22:16SPEAKERif the new actual translated documentation is better than the machine tracking translated

22:19SPEAKERdocumentation was, which was fine, but not perfect.

22:22SPEAKERAnyway.

22:23SPEAKERYeah.

22:24SPEAKERIt's never been a better time to start a podcast.

22:27SPEAKERYeah.

22:27SPEAKERAnybody can do it.

22:28SPEAKERI keep, I keep feeling like, God, who was it that ran, was it the New York times that

22:33SPEAKERran that story?

22:33SPEAKERLike it's been years now of along the lines of have we reached peak podcast and yet it

22:39SPEAKERseems to keep going.

22:41SPEAKERSweet summer children waiting for the bottom to fall out.

22:44SPEAKERYeah, it's fine.

22:45SPEAKERUm, so do you want to talk about this squeaky stuff?

22:49SPEAKERYeah, we can do that.

22:50SPEAKERI've killed a couple of chairs because of that.

22:51SPEAKEROh, wow.

22:52SPEAKERYou highlighted this one.

22:53SPEAKERSo, okay.

22:53SPEAKERQuestion from meatball in the same vein.

22:56SPEAKERYou guys do both do a ton of podcasts and streams.

22:58SPEAKERHow do you deal with squeaking chairs, keyboard and mouse clicks and desk bumps?

23:02SPEAKERYou try to get gear that's quiet.

23:03SPEAKERAnd if so, what do you get or do you just figure you can clean it all up in post-production?

23:07SPEAKERNever clean anything in post-production.

23:09SPEAKERThat's look, I've been wasting a bunch of my Saturdays then.

23:16SPEAKEROh, really?

23:17SPEAKERNo, not, not as much as I used to.

23:19SPEAKERI thought about getting into that on that last question of actually there was another

23:23SPEAKERquestion in here.

23:23SPEAKERI don't know if we'll take that one too.

23:24SPEAKERShould we just do the whole podcast block?

23:26SPEAKERWe can do a podcast block.

23:27SPEAKEROkay.

23:27SPEAKERLet's, let's do this one and then we'll do the other one I was referring to.

23:31SPEAKERUm, yeah.

23:32SPEAKERTry to try not to have to clean anything in post-production.

23:35SPEAKERLike the goal is to make everything clean enough that you don't have to do post-production.

23:38SPEAKERAbsolutely.

23:39SPEAKERCause it takes a really long time.

23:41SPEAKERI mean, this probably is intuitive, but the problem with editing, cleaning up audio is

23:46SPEAKERyou can't see anything visually.

23:47SPEAKERYou can't look at a wave form and go like, Oh, that looks like a squeak or somebody bumping

23:50SPEAKERtheir microphone.

23:51SPEAKERI'll you know what I mean?

23:52SPEAKERLike fixing audio, even just plain editing audio is so tedious because you just have

23:57SPEAKERto don't do that.

23:58SPEAKERGod damn it.

24:00SPEAKERI'm not cleaning that up.

24:02SPEAKERNo, no, leave it.

24:02SPEAKERI was just my point is it's just annoying.

24:05SPEAKERI know I'm joking, but, um, but yeah, like you can't, you can't just do a

24:08SPEAKERquick survey visual survey of the wave form and pull stuff out.

24:11SPEAKERLike you have to meticulously go through and listen to and re-listen to and it takes forever.

24:17SPEAKERSo I bought a mechanical keyboard with really quiet keys.

24:23SPEAKERWell, I bought a mechanical keyboard and then put really quiet switches in it.

24:26SPEAKERUm, I buy the right kind of key caps.

24:28SPEAKERSo they're quiet.

24:28SPEAKERI put the keyboard on a piece of neoprene underneath so that the desk doesn't work as

24:33SPEAKERa resonator and make it even louder.

24:35SPEAKERI just, man, I've just talked about this on an Exlinger podcast.

24:38SPEAKERI've got a roll of neoprene that I bought and didn't, that didn't work for the thing

24:42SPEAKERI bought it for.

24:42SPEAKERSo now it's just sitting there.

24:43SPEAKEROh, there you go.

24:44SPEAKERMaybe I should put it to use.

24:45SPEAKERYeah.

24:46SPEAKERUm, I disassembled a mouse and put a quieter, quieter switches in it, but which wouldn't

24:51SPEAKERquiet.

24:51SPEAKERWe talked about that on the tech pod, but one of them partly it was cause one of the

24:54SPEAKERswitches broken, but partly it was because I wanted quieter switches.

24:57SPEAKERUm, you, uh, you don't drink things with ice in them.

25:03SPEAKERUm, you don't make any weird mouth sounds if you can help it.

25:07SPEAKERYup.

25:07SPEAKERYou try to cut down, dampen your acoustics, try to cut down on audio bouncing off of walls

25:12SPEAKERand stuff if you can.

25:14SPEAKERYeah.

25:14SPEAKERThat's the next thing I need to do is put foam up on the wall that I face now.

25:17SPEAKERCause I had it on the, on the old wall and I don't anymore.

25:20SPEAKERAnd it's, yeah.

25:21SPEAKERAlso these, uh, these mics that we got are very directional, I guess is the term.

25:25SPEAKERYeah.

25:25SPEAKERLike they don't, they don't pick up off-axis audio nearly as much as cheaper mics would.

25:30SPEAKERYeah.

25:32SPEAKERUm, but, but yeah, the, um, desk bumps, so squeaky chairs, I've had to replace chairs

25:39SPEAKERbecause they squeaked.

25:40SPEAKERYes.

25:41SPEAKERLike that is, that is by my old Herman Miller reaction chairs that I had before the chair

25:45SPEAKERI sit in now, uh, eventually they all develop a little bit of a wobble squeak after a long

25:51SPEAKERtime and there was no amount of lubing it that was able to fix the problem.

25:54SPEAKERSo for that, for that amount of money, they still developed.

25:58SPEAKERWell, it was like 12 years old at that point.

25:59SPEAKERUnacceptable.

26:00SPEAKERUm, yeah, you know, I called them and they offered to replace it with a refurb under

26:04SPEAKERwarranty, but they couldn't guarantee that the refurb wouldn't squeak because like they,

26:09SPEAKERin their eyes, a slightly squeaking, the amount of squeak was very negligible, but it still

26:13SPEAKERcame through.

26:14SPEAKERThat's fair.

26:15SPEAKERI actually just realized something that I didn't even think to mention it cause I just,

26:19SPEAKERI take it for granted, but like a, a mic, like a mic arm, a boom arm or don't put your

26:24SPEAKERmicrophone on your desk is, is the point like something, something that elevates the mic

26:30SPEAKERoff the surface.

26:31SPEAKERI technically use a microphone arm that is bolted to this desk, but it's like four feet

26:38SPEAKERaway.

26:39SPEAKERWell, but, but also it's shock absorbed.

26:41SPEAKERSo the, so the, the motion of the desk is isolated from the motion of the microphone.

26:45SPEAKERThere is some shock absorption in this arm as well.

26:47SPEAKERBut like, if you really want to play it safe, you get a floor stand on the wall.

26:51SPEAKERYes.

26:52SPEAKERAttach the mic to something that is not your desk.

26:54SPEAKERIf you really want to play it safe there, but like, but like your, the tripod stand

26:58SPEAKERthat most microphones come with is basically a resume turns your desk into a resonating

27:03SPEAKERcavity for the microphone.

27:04SPEAKERYeah.

27:05SPEAKERThis is also why you put shock mounts.

27:07SPEAKERThe other thing is a pop filter.

27:08SPEAKERSo a pop filter helps you keep from making plosive sounds into your microphone.

27:17SPEAKERSee, you use one.

27:17SPEAKERI use the one that's integrated in my mic.

27:20SPEAKERIt's probably fine.

27:21SPEAKERI use it.

27:22SPEAKERI only use this external one cause it looks cool.

27:24SPEAKERYeah.

27:25SPEAKERSee, that's why I use the spider mount for my mic.

27:26SPEAKERCause it looks cool.

27:27SPEAKERFair.

27:28SPEAKERFair.

27:29SPEAKERCause we all know the aesthetics are the most important thing.

27:31SPEAKERIt's shiny.

27:32SPEAKERWe've established.

27:33SPEAKERIt's true.

27:33SPEAKERIt's true.

27:34SPEAKERMine's beige.

27:35SPEAKERI like the beige too.

27:36SPEAKERAll right.

27:36SPEAKERAt least you didn't get black.

27:37SPEAKEROnly bad people get black.

27:39SPEAKERYep.

27:39SPEAKERAnd I won't tell Alex you said that.

27:41SPEAKERHe's it.

27:42SPEAKERLook, I have a lot of respect for Alex for a lot of reasons, but not that.

27:45SPEAKERHe got a black re 20.

27:47SPEAKEROkay.

27:48SPEAKERLast podcast question from wedge for every hour of tech pod.

27:51SPEAKERHow many hours of behind the scenes work does it take?

27:53SPEAKERHow much time does it take to record an hour of podcasts?

27:57SPEAKERAbout an hour.

27:58SPEAKEROn the back.

27:59SPEAKEROh, no way, man.

28:00SPEAKERAre you serious?

28:01SPEAKERNo, I'm joking.

28:02SPEAKERI'm joking.

28:02SPEAKEROh, okay.

28:03SPEAKERYeah.

28:04SPEAKERSo like on the prep end, that totally depends on the type of episode.

28:07SPEAKERYeah.

28:07SPEAKERQ and A's are usually like an hour, probably two, two hours, an hour each for us to read

28:12SPEAKERthe questions and filter through the ones we want.

28:14SPEAKERYeah.

28:15SPEAKERAnd then another hour of work on both ends for me.

28:19SPEAKERAnd then you spend sometimes more or less, depending on how the, how the audio quality

28:22SPEAKERis, how much you clean up.

28:23SPEAKERI think I'll just go in sequence here.

28:24SPEAKERSo I'll get to that.

28:25SPEAKERCause it's the last step at the end.

28:27SPEAKERBut I would say like the topic episodes are probably the most prep intensive, would you

28:33SPEAKERsay?

28:34SPEAKERYeah.

28:34SPEAKERLike that matter thread one I read, I did probably six hours a year, eight hours of

28:38SPEAKERreading over the course of the week.

28:39SPEAKERThose take a ton of research and like we, we write out detailed notes and everything.

28:44SPEAKERYeah.

28:44SPEAKERLike, like our, our notes, our notes pages typically run from at least two pages and

28:50SPEAKERsometimes up to six or eight, depending on how much, like, it really depends on how much,

28:54SPEAKERhow familiar we are with the topic and whether we're just putting, making notes to remind

28:58SPEAKERus not to forget things or whether we're putting notes there so that it has the actual

29:01SPEAKERinformation that we want for the podcast.

29:02SPEAKERYeah.

29:04SPEAKERBut they're usually pretty extensive.

29:05SPEAKERI always feel we, I feel like like the notes are an unfortunate thing.

29:09SPEAKERSo if we had more time to spend on the show, I would clean them up and post them.

29:12SPEAKERCause they're kind of useful, but as is like, it's already taking a lot of time.

29:16SPEAKERSo I don't want to take another two hours to clean up the notes.

29:19SPEAKERSo they're postable anyway.

29:20SPEAKERPlus all those obscenities that you write in there randomly.

29:23SPEAKERYeah. And the ethnic slurs.

29:25SPEAKERWhoa.

29:25SPEAKERWhoa.

29:27SPEAKERI don't put ethnic slurs in the notes.

29:30SPEAKERGoodness gracious.

29:33SPEAKERThe recording, surprisingly.

29:35SPEAKEROkay.

29:35SPEAKERLike on a morning like this where we've got other stuff, we've got actual work after

29:39SPEAKERthis to do.

29:40SPEAKERYeah.

29:40SPEAKERWe can get in and out in say 90 minutes for an episode that runs like 45 to an hour.

29:45SPEAKERYeah.

29:46SPEAKERThat's about right.

29:47SPEAKERWhen we record on Saturdays, it easily will take like three hours total to record.

29:52SPEAKEROh, like, I don't know how that happens.

29:54SPEAKERLike sometimes we say we chat, chat, chat.

29:57SPEAKERI mean, some of it is lack of discipline.

29:59SPEAKERLike we can get on the call and chat about other stuff.

30:02SPEAKERA lot of it is like talking through the episode and planning out the flow and the structure

30:07SPEAKERstuff like that.

30:08SPEAKERYeah.

30:08SPEAKERFor the more complicated topics, especially, especially it's useful to like talk through

30:12SPEAKERthe structure.

30:13SPEAKERYeah.

30:13SPEAKERActually, this is like the kind of a slight digression, but like on the subject of discipline

30:18SPEAKERin terms of just like showing up recording and leaving, like when we're working remotely,

30:22SPEAKERit turns out that like getting on video calls to either record stuff or have a meeting is

30:27SPEAKERliterally the only time you interact with your coworkers.

30:31SPEAKERYeah.

30:31SPEAKERSo we have that at my full-time job too.

30:33SPEAKERRight.

30:33SPEAKERMy day job too.

30:34SPEAKERExactly.

30:35SPEAKERBasically, I think we tend to just like gab a little more when we should be recording

30:40SPEAKERjust because like there is no water cooler anymore.

30:42SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

30:43SPEAKERWell, yeah, we like institutionalized a period, a short period at the start of meeting of

30:49SPEAKERlike our daily standup meeting where we kind of just talk about whatever we want to talk

30:53SPEAKERabout while people are filing in, which is nice.

30:55SPEAKERThat's smart probably.

30:57SPEAKERYeah.

30:57SPEAKERBecause yeah, like just lacking that like basic kind of passive social interaction that

31:03SPEAKERyou get of just being around people all day.

31:06SPEAKERIt's nice to maintain a human connection with your coworkers.

31:09SPEAKERYes.

31:10SPEAKERAnyway, you take the audio when we're done and sync it up against the, our highly sophisticated

31:16SPEAKERpatented sync technology.

31:19SPEAKERThank you.

31:23SPEAKERI sync that up in Audition and I use Audition just because when we started doing the podcast,

31:27SPEAKERAudacity didn't preview the, like the audio waves that you see don't line up necessarily

31:33SPEAKERwith the audio.

31:34SPEAKERIn the old days of Audacity, they do now, I believe.

31:38SPEAKERSo like I line up the spikes basically from the beeps.

31:42SPEAKERAnd then I export stems.

31:46SPEAKERWell, I do some filtering.

31:47SPEAKERSo I bring, I level everybody out.

31:50SPEAKERI do noise gates on you.

31:52SPEAKERI do that in hardware on me.

31:53SPEAKERSo I don't need to do that and do some dynamics passes and stuff like that because Audition

31:57SPEAKERhas, it turns out Adobe has a lot of smart engineers doing audio processing stuff.

32:02SPEAKERAnd then I jam that out and as a bunch of wave files and send it over to you and you

32:08SPEAKERput the music in because you are very good at putting the music so that the beats hit

32:12SPEAKERat the right time.

32:12SPEAKERCause I don't have an ear for that.

32:13SPEAKERYeah.

32:14SPEAKERYeah.

32:14SPEAKERThere's a lot more there than just putting music in.

32:16SPEAKERI mean, I know of course.

32:17SPEAKERSo you send, you, you give me two waves.

32:19SPEAKEROne of you, one of me and I had a guest sometimes.

32:22SPEAKERYeah.

32:23SPEAKERYeah.

32:23SPEAKERSo gotta like trim up all the ins and outs and, and line up music and stuff like that.

32:28SPEAKERBut like the real, the real time sink there is how much time am I going to spend going

32:32SPEAKERthrough like cleaning up talk overs and long pauses and the ums and stuff like that.

32:38SPEAKERLike I've, I've easily spent three hours doing nothing but going through and I don't do that

32:43SPEAKERas much anymore.

32:44SPEAKEROh, you like it's, that is an infinite hole.

32:48SPEAKERYes.

32:48SPEAKERThat's exactly the problem is that you could spend, you could spend six hours per episode

32:52SPEAKERmaking it sound absolutely perfect.

32:54SPEAKERYeah.

32:55SPEAKERAnd then, and then completely lose your mind in the process.

32:58SPEAKERWell, so then the process for the tech pod and the FOS pod are a little bit different.

33:02SPEAKERLike the FOS pod, we have more help.

33:05SPEAKERSo Matt, our yeah, Matt, our producer and Sabrina, our editor do like Sabrina to goes

33:10SPEAKERthrough and does all the ums and the ahs and rearranges things.

33:13SPEAKERAnd Matt does kind of the initial research pass.

33:20SPEAKERSo then we can dig in, like he'll, he'll go and find all the good interviews that people

33:24SPEAKERhave done and it pulls out highlights from some of the interviews and listens to the

33:28SPEAKERpodcast and does all that stuff.

33:30SPEAKERAnd then a gives us places that we can go if we want to know more and kind of gives

33:35SPEAKERus a basic skeleton for the questions we want to answer the conversation we want to have.

33:39SPEAKERAnd then with that show, we do the interview.

33:45SPEAKERThen we listen to the interview and kind of rearrange stuff if it needs to, because often

33:52SPEAKERwe'll kind of meander during those conversations.

33:55SPEAKERAnd Sabrina does the, does a couple edits along there to get it first to a structure

33:59SPEAKERthat we want and then to a runtime that we want.

34:03SPEAKERAnd then once that's all done, we record the intro and the outro and any interstitial

34:07SPEAKERsegments that we need to explain like concepts that we don't explain well during the interview.

34:11SPEAKERAnd that's, that's where then it gets published like anything else.

34:15SPEAKERYeah.

34:15SPEAKERAnd I do all that stuff like the writing, tagging and all that.

34:20SPEAKERTagging, coding and tagging, naming, episode naming, writing decks, getting show art together.

34:25SPEAKERYeah.

34:25SPEAKERDoing all the CMS backend stuff.

34:27SPEAKERLike once you hand files off to me for the tech pod, like I would say like absolute

34:31SPEAKERminimum an hour to 90 minutes to get it totally listenable and put into the system and all

34:36SPEAKERthat stuff written and everything like more like two to three hours.

34:40SPEAKERIf I actually go through and like the weeks that I don't do that, I feel terrible about

34:44SPEAKERit.

34:44SPEAKERFeel irresponsible.

34:47SPEAKERWe should get Sabrina to just do that too.

34:50SPEAKERI could just slap, slap these source files in, put the music on and spit it out in 20,

34:56SPEAKER30 minutes.

34:57SPEAKERBut I just can't, I can't resist at least scrubbing through.

35:01SPEAKERWe have latency.

35:01SPEAKERThat's the biggest problem is that being remote and I hear it all the time and it makes me

35:06SPEAKERfeel really self-conscious because like, like one thing you may notice is we'll do a lot

35:09SPEAKERof things where we begin the, we begin a sentence and say the same couple of words like three

35:14SPEAKERtimes in a row.

35:15SPEAKERYeah.

35:15SPEAKERI usually go through into a past taking those out too, just so you know.

35:18SPEAKERSo those, those, those, those aren't just us stumbling over our words.

35:21SPEAKERLike that's actually like in the video call there's latency and it actually means like,

35:25SPEAKEROh, you started saying something at the same time I did.

35:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

35:28SPEAKERYeah.

35:28SPEAKERAnd we cut one out, but not the other maybe or whatever.

35:31SPEAKERLike you second guess yourself when you hear somebody else start talking when you're trying

35:34SPEAKERto talk, you know what I mean?

35:35SPEAKERYeah.

35:35SPEAKERAnd you just end up kind of stumbling over stuff.

35:37SPEAKERThere, there's a lot of stuff in there that is, that is an artifact of, of recording remotely,

35:41SPEAKERnot just not being able to talk well.

35:44SPEAKERYeah.

35:44SPEAKERAnd, and leaving that stuff in makes me feel awful, but.

35:48SPEAKERWell, but sometimes it's harder to like, sometimes you end up with something that sounds more

35:52SPEAKERunnatural by cutting around it is what I end up with.

35:54SPEAKERI usually go through and scan the waveforms for places that we're talking over each other

35:58SPEAKERand cut them, cut the obvious ones out.

36:00SPEAKERThat's what I've started doing is just scrolling through also and just anywhere that you see

36:03SPEAKERaudio overlap is a good cue.

36:05SPEAKERYeah.

36:05SPEAKERSo, so take a listen and see if you can clean some stuff up.

36:08SPEAKERCause like you could easily, I could easily spend my whole Saturday afternoon doing that

36:12SPEAKERif I didn't resist the urge.

36:13SPEAKERI was going to say then the last thing is all the posting and stuff.

36:17SPEAKERSo we post stuff like some of the posting happens automatically, but letting people

36:20SPEAKERknow about patron episodes and all that stuff happens manually and we tweet to stir up interest

36:26SPEAKERand generate excerpts and all that stuff.

36:28SPEAKERSo it's a lot.

36:29SPEAKERYeah.

36:30SPEAKERYeah.

36:31SPEAKERThat's something people have never understood about this line of work is that there is

36:35SPEAKERway, way more work to make it happen than what you see.

36:38SPEAKERYeah.

36:38SPEAKERIt's not just sitting, well, I mean, sometimes it's sitting down for the microphone.

36:41SPEAKERLike sometimes you sit down for the microphone and talk about something for an hour, but

36:45SPEAKERthat's because you have knowledge that is predates the podcast and right.

36:49SPEAKERAnd probably also other people doing the heavy lifting.

36:52SPEAKERYeah.

36:53SPEAKEROf, of getting it ready to post.

36:55SPEAKERYeah, exactly.

36:56SPEAKERAll right.

36:57SPEAKERThat's enough about podcasting.

36:58SPEAKERYeah.

36:58SPEAKERThat's a lot of podcasts.

36:59SPEAKERThe podcast block is over.

37:01SPEAKERYou want to talk about Git?

37:03SPEAKERThis is an easy one.

37:05SPEAKERI saw that one.

37:05SPEAKERI don't know.

37:08SPEAKERI used Git all the time.

37:08SPEAKERHow much I have to say about it.

37:10SPEAKERAlso, there may be a lot of cake batter questions in here if we just go all willy nilly here.

37:15SPEAKEROh, okay.

37:16SPEAKERNevermind then.

37:16SPEAKEROh, it's too late.

37:17SPEAKEROh, how often do you as non-programmers use Git?

37:20SPEAKERWould you want this interaction to be more or less frequent says cake batter.

37:23SPEAKERI used Git two days ago, I think was last time.

37:26SPEAKERI, I, I store my notes, my, my personal, like, like I write notes in flat text files and

37:33SPEAKERreally get them in a folder to pages of info.

37:38SPEAKERGet info.

37:39SPEAKERNo.

37:39SPEAKERWhat's the, what's the, what's their, what's their document thing?

37:43SPEAKERThey who?

37:44SPEAKERGit, GitHub.

37:45SPEAKERI put them on GitHub in a private repo where they're all stored and searchable and online

37:51SPEAKERand I can track changes and search them on the web and it's very good.

37:55SPEAKERIt's like my own version of simple, simple writer, simple, simple page, simple note.

38:00SPEAKERYeah. I also use a get to host our press kit install for straight Monday.

38:06SPEAKERSo get pages is what I use.

38:08SPEAKERSorry.

38:08SPEAKERIt took me a minute.

38:09SPEAKERYeah.

38:09SPEAKERYeah.

38:10SPEAKERYeah.

38:10SPEAKERI wanted to clarify which service you were talking about because there are certainly,

38:14SPEAKERyou know, GitLab is big now like source hut.

38:17SPEAKERThere are a lot of other GitHub competitors out there now.

38:20SPEAKERSo I really like this.

38:23SPEAKERI do not like using Git.

38:25SPEAKERI would like to do the same thing with some other service that is not Git because that's

38:29SPEAKERhow GitHub came about.

38:30SPEAKERRight.

38:31SPEAKERYes.

38:31SPEAKERGit is like very powerful and not very friendly.

38:34SPEAKERYeah, that is exactly right.

38:36SPEAKERI've been meaning to store my dot files remotely.

38:40SPEAKERWell, that's a good idea.

38:41SPEAKERI've got like looking around the house here between physical Unix E-boxes and containers

38:49SPEAKERkind of virtual Unix E-boxes inside of those.

38:51SPEAKERThere's probably, God, I don't know, 12, 15 Linux and BSD machines around this house.

38:57SPEAKERWow.

38:58SPEAKERAnd it would really be nice if I could just like store one .bashrc, for example, and just

39:04SPEAKERhave it pull that down everywhere.

39:07SPEAKERYeah.

39:08SPEAKERBut I haven't actually gotten around to figuring that stuff out yet.

39:11SPEAKERI like, I want to save my OBS configurations like that because Git could do that because

39:16SPEAKERit can hold all the assets and everything.

39:18SPEAKERBut anyway.

39:19SPEAKERI actually just had to nuke my OBS install this week.

39:21SPEAKEROh God.

39:22SPEAKERFinally that I've been using since before the pandemic started.

39:25SPEAKERIt had gotten like just I have hives.

39:27SPEAKERLike what you mean having to redo everything?

39:30SPEAKERYeah.

39:30SPEAKERLike sometimes I feel like the idea of cruft and software is overblown, but in this case

39:34SPEAKERit was a hundred percent accurate.

39:36SPEAKERLike it had become essentially unusable, like incredibly unstable.

39:40SPEAKERIt would not exit.

39:41SPEAKERIt would never exit.

39:42SPEAKERLike this is just a random example, but like every time I quit it, it would hang and I

39:45SPEAKERwould have to force quit it.

39:46SPEAKERHow, how many scenes do you have a bunch of scenes and stuff?

39:48SPEAKERQuite a few scenes.

39:49SPEAKERAlso some of the assets that some of those scenes were pointing at lived on my NAS that

39:55SPEAKERhas been unhooked for two months.

39:56SPEAKEROh, you can't ever put OBS assets toward a NAS.

39:58SPEAKERThat's where that's a hundred percent your problem.

40:00SPEAKEROh no, it works fine when, but when the assets are not there, I don't know if, I don't know

40:04SPEAKERif OBS like it, you know, it throws a warning when you launch it like, Hey, these images

40:08SPEAKERare not there anymore, but I don't know if that causes problems down the line.

40:11SPEAKERIt depends on what the assets are.

40:13SPEAKERSo because I used to do this, I save a video assets in like a VLC playlist module will

40:19SPEAKERhang OBS without an error.

40:21SPEAKERCause it's a Mo it's a plugin, the VLC playlist thing is a plugin or something and not a core

40:26SPEAKERpart of the OBS.

40:28SPEAKERSo it'll just stall while it's waiting for that plugin to load, which is what the problem

40:32SPEAKERI had when I ran stuff off my NAS.

40:33SPEAKEROh, the problem, the real problem started when I tried to install stream effects a few

40:37SPEAKERmonths ago, which is weird because a ton of people use stream effects and seems to be

40:41SPEAKERfine for them.

40:42SPEAKERWhat's stream effects.

40:43SPEAKERIt's, it's a pretty popular suite of OBS stuff.

40:46SPEAKERIt gives you like real time blur and like transparency and stuff.

40:49SPEAKERYou can like, you can do like more advanced overlays.

40:52SPEAKERI can't believe there's no transparency built into OBS.

40:54SPEAKERSo does that mean you can do well, there is, but you have to use alpha channels or green

40:58SPEAKERor key stuff out, right?

40:59SPEAKERI mean like real time on the GPU, not like having to make like a, make a mask manually

41:05SPEAKERor something like that.

41:06SPEAKERCan you does that mean you can do like vertical video with the blur blur vertical video in

41:12SPEAKERthe background thing?

41:13SPEAKERI think that's exactly what I installed it for and wanted to do.

41:16SPEAKERThat's fantastic.

41:16SPEAKERThat is, that is in fact exactly what I installed it for and wanted to do, but like it just

41:20SPEAKERnever worked for me.

41:21SPEAKERIt also might be that your computer is too slow.

41:23SPEAKERWhat I, what I mean is it never showed up.

41:24SPEAKERLike I installed the plugin and the menu, the stream effects menu literally did not

41:28SPEAKERappear in the interface.

41:30SPEAKERI saw another good OBS plugin the other day.

41:33SPEAKERIt lets you do smooth move transitions between scenes.

41:38SPEAKERSo you set up two scenes with the more or less the same stuff and you change the size of

41:42SPEAKERone element inside it and then you transition between the two and it just dynamically moves

41:46SPEAKERthe small thing to the big thing, the big thing to the small thing.

41:49SPEAKERIt's very happy making.

41:50SPEAKERThat's pretty good.

41:51SPEAKERYeah.

41:51SPEAKERUh, OBS 28 seems pretty good.

41:54SPEAKERAre you on the beta?

41:55SPEAKERNo, I'm not using it, but I, I checked out all of the new stuff that is coming to it

41:59SPEAKERand it's some good stuff.

42:02SPEAKERI am excited about it.

42:03SPEAKERI I'm, I'm ready.

42:04SPEAKERThey're finally adding native application level audio capture.

42:08SPEAKERLike there's a good plugin for that out there that just works generally.

42:12SPEAKERI haven't had a huge issue with it, but they're finally building it into the application

42:15SPEAKERitself.

42:15SPEAKERYou can just say, Hey, capture only the audio from this game or this browser window.

42:20SPEAKERThat's cool.

42:20SPEAKERYeah.

42:21SPEAKERIt's good stuff.

42:22SPEAKERI'm hopeful that you'll have the ability to export your setup.

42:25SPEAKERI think Jim talked about that, right?

42:26SPEAKERHe talked about it.

42:27SPEAKERHe said it's in the pipeline, but he didn't, he didn't give a timeline for it.

42:29SPEAKERI did not see that on the feature list for 28, sadly.

42:34SPEAKERHow about a question from Narfinger?

42:37SPEAKERDo you think we should replace version numbers of software with the Ubuntu scheme of year

42:42SPEAKERdot month or the get hash of the commit?

42:44SPEAKEROh, I like your dot month.

42:46SPEAKERThe get hash.

42:47SPEAKERAbsolutely not.

42:47SPEAKERThat's for that's for maniacs.

42:49SPEAKERThat's no, no way.

42:52SPEAKERWhat he's talking about is, so I think I like the Ubuntu scheme, but I think it only really

42:56SPEAKERmakes sense for stuff that comes out on a regular cadence, like a predictable one.

43:01SPEAKERYeah.

43:01SPEAKERCause it's always like 0 8 0 4 0 8 0 10 0 8 1 0.

43:05SPEAKERYeah.

43:05SPEAKERSo Ubuntu, Ubuntu ships two manual versions, one in April and one in October.

43:09SPEAKERSo it's very easy to say like, Oh, 20 dot 0 4 that's the one that came out in April,

43:14SPEAKER2020.

43:15SPEAKERYeah.

43:15SPEAKERWhat is it?

43:15SPEAKEREvery third one is a every, every second, every other year is an LTS.

43:20SPEAKERIs an LTS.

43:21SPEAKERSo every, every, every, every even numbered April is an LTS release.

43:25SPEAKERSo 2204 that just came out is LTS.

43:28SPEAKERLTS means long-term support, which means they'll support it for 18 months or three years or

43:32SPEAKERsomething.

43:32SPEAKERI can't remember.

43:33SPEAKERI think Ubuntu LTS is pretty long.

43:35SPEAKERIt's Debian LTS.

43:37SPEAKERIt's really long.

43:39SPEAKERYeah.

43:39SPEAKERDebian is funny and weird about that stuff because they just use terms.

43:42SPEAKERThere's so busy badger or whatever.

43:45SPEAKERNo, no, no.

43:46SPEAKERWell, those are the names.

43:47SPEAKERThose are no, no, the, the adjective animal thing is an Ubuntu thing.

43:51SPEAKERSo it's like, yeah, buzz, buzzy, buzzy buzzer.

43:54SPEAKERI don't know.

43:56SPEAKERDebian names after toy story, story characters.

43:58SPEAKERSo they're currently on bull's eye.

44:00SPEAKERThe next one is bookworm.

44:02SPEAKERThat's why, that's why you had Debian Jesse for a while.

44:06SPEAKERWhat was, what did Debian used to be?

44:08SPEAKERAnd Debian stretch, they've been doing the toy story thing practically from the beginning.

44:12SPEAKERThey also use numbers like, like 10 was Buster.

44:14SPEAKERDebian 10 was Buster.

44:15SPEAKERDebian 11 is bullseye.

44:17SPEAKER12 will be bookworm.

44:20SPEAKERI just use the numbers.

44:21SPEAKERAnyway, the thing I was gonna say though on their support stuff is they just use terms.

44:24SPEAKERLike the current release is stable.

44:26SPEAKERThe next one is testing.

44:28SPEAKERThe one after that, that is super alpha is Sid.

44:31SPEAKERAnd then when you go in the other direction, like stable becomes old stable.

44:36SPEAKERSo the previous release is old stable two releases ago is old, old stable.

44:40SPEAKERI love old stable.

44:42SPEAKERI like to stick on old, old stable.

44:44SPEAKERIt's look, it's as stable as it gets.

44:46SPEAKERI believe that's right.

44:47SPEAKERYes.

44:47SPEAKERThat's correct.

44:48SPEAKEROld, old stable.

44:50SPEAKERAll right.

44:50SPEAKERSo Linux is a thing.

44:55SPEAKERI like the numbers.

44:56SPEAKERI like the, I like the year month.

44:58SPEAKERI like the data thing.

44:59SPEAKERSo Microsoft also does it for windows semi-annual updates.

45:02SPEAKERYou may have noticed like 2, 2, 1, 0, 2, 21, like, like 20.

45:05SPEAKERLike generally it'll be like 22 H one now for half the first half.

45:09SPEAKERSo like 22 H one just came out a few months ago.

45:13SPEAKERYep.

45:13SPEAKERAgain, though, I feel like that only really makes sense when everything is on a predictable

45:17SPEAKERschedule like that, because otherwise like there's no frame of reference for how old

45:22SPEAKERor how many versions there have been since something.

45:24SPEAKERIf you don't know that they came, kept coming out, you know what I mean?

45:27SPEAKERYeah.

45:27SPEAKERLike if, you know, if 1904 was your last rule is a release that I'm looking at.

45:33SPEAKERLike, I don't know that there have been more since then, unless I know that they're coming

45:36SPEAKERout every six months.

45:37SPEAKERGod, that would be like 118 years old if it was 1904.

45:40SPEAKERThe, the I, I, so I have to say I set up some Docker containers this weekend and the way

45:47SPEAKERyou can pull different Docker containers from the repo on my NAS.

45:52SPEAKERLike you can, you can subscribe to basically a channel of container and you can get latest

45:56SPEAKERor like I was installing Plex at a Docker container and you can get the Plex pass version

46:00SPEAKERand it just, you know, when you update the Docker container, it just, it just does its

46:04SPEAKERthing and replaces what you have with the new one.

46:06SPEAKERAnd theoretically it should just work.

46:08SPEAKERIt's, it's, it's, it's, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm starting to get into Docker, Brad.

46:12SPEAKERThat's, that's the, yeah, I hear good things.

46:15SPEAKERIt seems fine.

46:17SPEAKERYeah.

46:17SPEAKERI still like just an iterated version number for something that is just released haphazardly

46:21SPEAKERbecause it gives you more information about how many releases there have been.

46:24SPEAKERI like it when big companies say, Hey, we're going to do this.

46:27SPEAKERWe're never going to change numbering schemes again.

46:29SPEAKEROh yeah, that's good.

46:30SPEAKERAnd then like three, five years later, they changed numbering schemes again.

46:33SPEAKERWindows 10 is the last one is ever.

46:35SPEAKEROh, S 10 is the last OS 10 ever.

46:37SPEAKERThey made it 20 years on that one.

46:38SPEAKERI'll give them that.

46:39SPEAKERAnd I bet Steve jobs never would have let this happen.

46:43SPEAKERIt would still be OS 10.

46:47SPEAKER10 is the perfect number.

46:48SPEAKERUm, X I is a much shittier Roman numeral.

46:51SPEAKERThe last thing I'll mention here is that since I am, I'm on the, like literally probably

46:55SPEAKERthis weekend going to just finally slap a vanilla Linux install on my NAS.

47:01SPEAKERUh, I've been in kernel land a bit and realized how goofy and arbitrary Linux kernel version

47:07SPEAKERnumbers are.

47:08SPEAKEROh yeah.

47:09SPEAKERLike 5.1, nine of the Linux kernel, I think just came out or is about to, and like they

47:15SPEAKERwere working on 5.2.

47:17SPEAKEROh, and then Linus just decided, actually, this is going to be 6.0 instead.

47:20SPEAKERLike flat out, he flat out just said like, I don't like version numbers to get too big.

47:24SPEAKERThis is going to be six.

47:25SPEAKERLike that's kind of, we usually get up to about 19 or 20 and then it's like, ah, it's

47:28SPEAKERprobably time to roll over to the next one.

47:30SPEAKERSo in the old days, it used to be that the version, like in the old, old days, the version

47:35SPEAKERnumber would increment.

47:36SPEAKERThe major version number would increment when something major happened, like a hardware,

47:39SPEAKERusually tied to hardware support or some new instructions or something like that.

47:43SPEAKERSo it's nice that he's, he's lightened up in his older age.

47:46SPEAKERYeah.

47:46SPEAKERThat's, that's how the ARIA line was reading, put it at least that this was arbitrary and

47:51SPEAKERlike, Hey, Linux six, here we go.

47:54SPEAKERIt's time.

47:55SPEAKERLook, he's got to, he's got to get to 11.

47:57SPEAKERSo these on par with the other OSs.

47:59SPEAKERThat's that's yeah.

48:01SPEAKERIndeed.

48:02SPEAKERPick up the pace Linux.

48:03SPEAKEROh gosh.

48:04SPEAKERWe had another podcast question that we didn't ask from X amp Rocky.

48:07SPEAKERWell, okay.

48:08SPEAKERWe'll reopen the podcast door one more time.

48:10SPEAKERAnd the Y thread matters episode.

48:12SPEAKERYou mentioned that these days you often have topics that can't fill the full length of

48:15SPEAKERan episode.

48:15SPEAKERMy question is how do you know when a topic can't fill a full hour?

48:21SPEAKERUsually we do a bunch of research and then we get to a point where like, I don't think

48:24SPEAKERI can talk about this for 45 minutes or an hour.

48:26SPEAKERYeah.

48:27SPEAKERIt's, it's really just kind of a gut feeling.

48:29SPEAKERLike if, if we only get a page of notes and we've been reading a bunch of stuff about

48:33SPEAKERit and we're like, this, this seems kind of boring.

48:35SPEAKERYeah.

48:37SPEAKERWe ha we haven't killed, killed too many of those.

48:39SPEAKERWe we've, we've dumped some of them into like a potpourri episode.

48:42SPEAKERWe'll do two or three things at a time.

48:45SPEAKERBut I don't think we've actually killed anything at this point.

48:47SPEAKERHave we?

48:48SPEAKERI don't think so.

48:49SPEAKERWe've done a lot of topics.

48:50SPEAKERIt turns out after 160, 150 episodes, it's a lot of podcasts.

48:55SPEAKERQuite literally about three episodes or about three years now.

48:58SPEAKERYeah.

48:59SPEAKERWe burned through a lot of the obvious topics, although not, certainly not all of them because

49:02SPEAKERlike we're going to do a Bluetooth episode and it's like, how did we not do that already?

49:06SPEAKERI think we looked at it and we're like, Oh God, I don't want to talk about this.

49:08SPEAKERThis is really complicated.

49:09SPEAKERCause we really need to do it with that.

49:10SPEAKERWhat a Bluetooth episode means is we really need to do a Bluetooth episode.

49:13SPEAKERAnd then we also need to do a Bluetooth audio episode because it's complex enough to warrant

49:16SPEAKERits whole own thing.

49:18SPEAKERYes.

49:20SPEAKERAnd there's some stuff that's just like obvious trash fires and you want to avoid because

49:23SPEAKERit's just going to make people yell at you on the internet.

49:25SPEAKERSo yeah, indeed.

49:29SPEAKERHow about a question from Grub in regards to the food story episode do you know anything

49:39SPEAKERabout Jim Henson company's live performance capture stuff?

49:42SPEAKERThere are parts of that show where a handheld camera is following the animated characters

49:46SPEAKERaround and it looked so much like the food shit stuff.

49:50SPEAKERYeah, they do, there are a lot of ways to do hand fake handheld cameras now that are

49:55SPEAKERreal good.

49:55SPEAKERYou can even buy plugins for stuff that will, for your animation pipelines, you can draw

50:00SPEAKERthe lines in your 3d spaces.

50:02SPEAKERThere's all sorts of, there's, there's even like motion tracked version.

50:04SPEAKERSo if this is a motion track show, you can put the, like w we did a handheld camera with

50:09SPEAKERfoo that I don't think it was ever in anything that was public, but it's like, it was shoulder

50:14SPEAKERmounted.

50:14SPEAKERWe, well, we have, we have straight handheld, we had shoulder mounted and you could carry

50:18SPEAKERit around and you'd get like camera bounce.

50:20SPEAKERWe could smooth it out just like you do in a video game.

50:22SPEAKERSo you'd have like, like, you know, basically gyro, like super duper gyro stabilization

50:28SPEAKERslash the best steady cam operator in the world.

50:32SPEAKERBecause it's all just software.

50:34SPEAKERBut the Henson stuff, Henson's always been at the forefront of this.

50:37SPEAKERThey did like for first they did early animated faces with the hand puppet rigs so that they

50:43SPEAKERcould take their puppeteers and use the skill that they have in manipulating puppets and

50:46SPEAKERuse that for CG.

50:48SPEAKERThey'd build like cool armatures to control that stuff.

50:51SPEAKERI want to say they did, wasn't it Henson that did the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle faces,

50:55SPEAKERthe animatronic ones for the nineties movies?

50:58SPEAKERThat sounds right.

51:00SPEAKERLike, like it's like, there's a, there's a long history of technology and, and a friend

51:05SPEAKERof mine who's a puppeteer offered to introduce me there.

51:08SPEAKERAnd we just never, like, I never managed to make it happen.

51:10SPEAKERCause we, like when we were looking at different ways of doing face capture or face animation,

51:18SPEAKERmy puppeteer friend of mine was like, you should just have puppeteers do this cause

51:21SPEAKERthey'll do a better job than like putting people in front of an iPhone and having them

51:24SPEAKERtalking to the iPhone.

51:26SPEAKERBut the cost turns out there aren't that many really good puppeteers in the world.

51:32SPEAKERAnd B the cost of adding a third person to the cost and complexity of adding a third

51:38SPEAKERperson to the production, instead of having just a face actor and a voice actor and a

51:41SPEAKERbody actor face slash voice and body actor was such that it wasn't.

51:47SPEAKERI couldn't, I didn't, I didn't think it was worth investing in.

51:50SPEAKERNo.

51:51SPEAKERIt was too scary.

51:52SPEAKERBut the thing you just mentioned about like kind of physical interfaces for non-physical

51:57SPEAKEReffects reminds me of something on that ILM document and documentary on Disney plus that

52:01SPEAKERI've been watching, which I really need to go watch.

52:03SPEAKERI've got to watch it.

52:03SPEAKERYeah.

52:05SPEAKEROn poltergeist.

52:07SPEAKERI have not seen poltergeist, but I saw this sequence.

52:09SPEAKERI guess there's some kind of like, there's a shot of like some gigantic orifice.

52:13SPEAKERDo you know what I'm talking about?

52:14SPEAKERThat undulates.

52:15SPEAKERNo, I've never seen poltergeist.

52:16SPEAKERIt was poltergeist was a PG movie.

52:19SPEAKERI think it wasn't always at house.

52:20SPEAKERThat was one of those movies was shockingly PG rated.

52:24SPEAKERPoltergeist was let's see.

52:27SPEAKERBoy, they don't really a PG.

52:28SPEAKERYes.

52:29SPEAKERPoltergeist is in fact PG.

52:32SPEAKERAnyway, it's a gigantic orifice.

52:34SPEAKERIt's like a giant colon or something that the camera flies into.

52:38SPEAKERAnyway, different segments of it undulate.

52:40SPEAKERLike they could make it like throb and pulse in different places.

52:43SPEAKERJust what I want from my orifices.

52:44SPEAKERA horse who doesn't want a throbbing orifice.

52:47SPEAKERBut they hooked that up to like a tiny little segment of a piano.

52:50SPEAKERI don't know if, I don't know if it was like the eight or 10 keys or something, but it

52:53SPEAKERreally just looked like, you know, if you sliced the end of a piano off and hooked the

52:59SPEAKERdifferent segments of this orifice up to the different keys on this thing.

53:02SPEAKERAnd then Spielberg, when he was in the shop saw it and he was like, Oh my God, I want

53:05SPEAKERto play that thing.

53:07SPEAKERLiterally played this giant throbbing colon with a tiny segment of a piano.

53:14SPEAKERSo interface is a lot of it's like how you control that stuff is often the harder part

53:18SPEAKERof the, like it's often harder to make something do something than it is figuring out how to

53:22SPEAKERcontrol it in the right way.

53:23SPEAKERYeah.

53:24SPEAKEROne other quick thing that I was reading, I didn't realize that this is like the other

53:27SPEAKERdirection of what you were talking about.

53:29SPEAKERLike they add fake camera shake to footage now.

53:31SPEAKEROh yeah.

53:32SPEAKERThere's plugins for that in Premiere or After Effects rather.

53:36SPEAKERI was reading that it's like basically automated at this point.

53:38SPEAKERThat in fact, I want to say that some visual effects artists had said they can like literally

53:43SPEAKERrecognize the fake camera shake patterns in stuff that they watch because it's like all

53:48SPEAKERprogrammatically done.

53:49SPEAKERIf you don't tweak it to make it look distinct, like it's just very obvious.

53:52SPEAKERI can't remember what it was.

53:53SPEAKERThere was some footage a few years ago that people were trying to figure out whether it

54:00SPEAKERwas real or fake and the camera shake was actually the thing that tipped them off because

54:06SPEAKERsomebody was like, Hey, this isn't actually a handheld camera.

54:08SPEAKERThis is one of the camera shake algorithms.

54:10SPEAKERAnd then they recreated the motion precisely by lining up the pattern.

54:14SPEAKERYeah.

54:14SPEAKERBut I mean, it makes sense because if you can smooth something with software, you can

54:18SPEAKERadd shake to it in software.

54:19SPEAKERWhy not?

54:20SPEAKERTrue.

54:21SPEAKEROkay.

54:22SPEAKERQuick couple of questions here from Moose.

54:25SPEAKERMy significant other heard you mentioned a few months back, Will, that you use a fountain

54:28SPEAKERpen and they're interested in info, your current pen, ink and paper choice.

54:34SPEAKERSo I bought a starter kit that was recommended by someone by Lamy or Lamy.

54:40SPEAKERI don't know.

54:41SPEAKERIt's a Lamy Safari.

54:42SPEAKERL-A-M-Y.

54:44SPEAKERL-A-M-Y.

54:44SPEAKERAnd it was like 25 bucks and it came with inquiry fills.

54:49SPEAKERAnd I just literally finished the first ink.

54:52SPEAKERSo I'm still going through the ink that came with it.

54:54SPEAKERI haven't gotten to the next pack yet.

54:58SPEAKERAnd then the paper I use most of the time is just field.

55:00SPEAKERI use field.

55:01SPEAKERI take notes in field notes, notepads, they're like little shirt pocket size.

55:07SPEAKERI have two sizes.

55:08SPEAKERI have journalist size pads, which are vertical opening, slightly bigger.

55:12SPEAKERAnd then I have a shirt pocket size pads that I use for most things.

55:16SPEAKERAnd does it feel very scratchy to write with?

55:18SPEAKERNo, it feels really good.

55:19SPEAKERDoes it really?

55:20SPEAKERI would have thought that like, like, you know, a ballpoint kind of glides in a nice,

55:23SPEAKERsmooth way.

55:24SPEAKERI would, I always thought that, to be honest, I always figured that writing with a fountain

55:28SPEAKERpen was a little bit like nails on a chalkboard of just like really just scratching it across

55:31SPEAKERthe paper.

55:32SPEAKERIf you are scratching, I think you're pushing too hard.

55:35SPEAKERLike you just want to barely glide it across the surface in my experience.

55:38SPEAKEROh, that sounds kind of pleasant, actually.

55:40SPEAKERYeah.

55:40SPEAKERNext time I come, I've got to bring, I have some stuff I got to bring over to you.

55:43SPEAKERSo I'll bring it over and you can try it out next time I come over.

55:45SPEAKERThat sounds fun.

55:46SPEAKERA question from Shayat.

55:49SPEAKERHave either of you read the Bobiverse books?

55:51SPEAKERIf so, your thoughts and opinions.

55:53SPEAKERThe main character reminds me of Will, only he spends the books as the virtualized pilot

55:58SPEAKERslash OS of a von Neumann probe.

56:01SPEAKERHow would you cope with being an immortal and technologically advanced being free to

56:04SPEAKERwander all the universe, but with only copies of yourself for companionship on your immortal

56:09SPEAKERtimescale?

56:10SPEAKERThat sounds horrifying.

56:11SPEAKEROh, okay.

56:12SPEAKERSo Bobiverse books are really good.

56:13SPEAKERLike they're, they're, they're, they're not as funny as like your Douglas Adams books,

56:18SPEAKERbut they're, they're thought provoking and interesting and weird in a way that I found

56:22SPEAKERquite delightful.

56:24SPEAKERAnd I, I don't know exactly how to take that Bob reminds you of me, but that's okay.

56:30SPEAKERI guess I liked Bob's approach to that problem, which I'm not going to get into because I

56:36SPEAKERwant to spoil like the eight book series or whatever it is, but a highly, highly recommend

56:42SPEAKERreading Bobiverse.

56:44SPEAKERI would look, I mean, his approach is just, this happens in the first like five pages

56:52SPEAKERto 10 pages of the book.

56:54SPEAKERHe just starts making copies of himself, which is, I don't know that I would make copies

57:01SPEAKERof myself.

57:02SPEAKERYeah.

57:02SPEAKERI mean, do they all have full agency because like just spawning a bunch of like techno

57:06SPEAKERgods willy nilly maybe seems like a bad idea.

57:09SPEAKERNo, they're just like spaceships.

57:11SPEAKEROkay.

57:12SPEAKERYeah.

57:12SPEAKERInterstellar spaceships, lots of power, you know, it's fine.

57:15SPEAKERWhat if one of them comes out evil?

57:17SPEAKERWell, what if Brad, what if, I mean, obviously look, same inputs, same outputs.

57:24SPEAKERYou should, should be, should be, they should all be pretty mellow.

57:27SPEAKERI mean, the nice thing about the Bobiverse is that Bob is a pretty chill guy.

57:32SPEAKERSo, you know, the, the Bobiverse pretty chill place.

57:37SPEAKERI don't know.

57:38SPEAKERI don't know what, I can't imagine what I would do with an immortal timescale.

57:41SPEAKERThat sounds horrifying.

57:43SPEAKERI have no response.

57:44SPEAKERI don't want, I don't want to live long enough to watch stars die.

57:47SPEAKERIt's too big a question.

57:48SPEAKERLike I'm sitting here trying to wrap my head around it and I actually just, it's dizzying.

57:52SPEAKERYeah. Like I think, I think, I think like you'd go through a path where you do some,

57:56SPEAKERlike you do some exploring, you'd see some stuff.

57:59SPEAKERIt's like, it's like, it's like when you're 30 and you're thinking about having kids,

58:03SPEAKERyou're like, I'm going to go to Disney world.

58:04SPEAKERThat sounds like it'll be fun.

58:05SPEAKERThen you get to Disney world and they're like, man, I don't know if Disney world is as much

58:08SPEAKERfun as I thought it was.

58:09SPEAKERThere's a lot of people here.

58:09SPEAKERIt's, it's, I'm a little, little claustrophobic and the rides are kind of like, not like the

58:14SPEAKERrollercoasters are pretty good, but they're not like, you're not going upside down or

58:17SPEAKERanything really cool.

58:19SPEAKERAnd then you're like, well, maybe I should go do something in nature.

58:22SPEAKERAnd you go do something in nature and you're like, no, nature's okay.

58:24SPEAKERI guess.

58:25SPEAKERAnd then you get real into like mountain climbing or some weird hobby.

58:29SPEAKERAnd then you, then you have to figure out what to do with the last 20 years of your

58:31SPEAKERlife and you begin to probably, you know, acid or something.

58:35SPEAKERI don't know.

58:36SPEAKERThat's a good way to pass 20 years.

58:38SPEAKERYeah.

58:39SPEAKERWe just watched that episode of Star Trek where they genetically, like a society they

58:43SPEAKERcome upon had genetically engineered a way for people to live, let's say 60,000 years

58:48SPEAKEReach, something like that.

58:49SPEAKERYeah.

58:50SPEAKERI think is how the math worked out.

58:52SPEAKERI, I would have to double check the math.

58:54SPEAKERDo you, do you know the episode I'm talking about?

58:55SPEAKERLike the TNG?

58:56SPEAKERNo, no, no.

58:57SPEAKERThe original series, the premise, the premise is that they, they engineered their biology

59:01SPEAKERin such a way that for every, for every century that they live, their body only ages one

59:07SPEAKERmonth.

59:08SPEAKERSo you can do the math there, but I don't remember that one.

59:10SPEAKERIt might be from the, I haven't watched as many of the last season.

59:12SPEAKERAlso, it didn't work, killed all the adults.

59:14SPEAKERLike the, the, the rub of the episode is that the virus that they engineered went haywire

59:19SPEAKERand killed all the adults and only the children survived.

59:21SPEAKERSo now it's a tiny island society of forever children.

59:25SPEAKERIt's Lord of the Flies.

59:27SPEAKERBasically, yes.

59:27SPEAKERYeah.

59:28SPEAKERNo, I have seen that one.

59:29SPEAKERBut setting that stuff aside, just the kind of thought experiment of like, how long is

59:32SPEAKERtoo long to live?

59:33SPEAKERHow long, how long before you truly get bored?

59:35SPEAKERLike, like human mind can't even comprehend of the idea of living for a thousand years,

59:39SPEAKERlet alone that long.

59:40SPEAKERYeah.

59:40SPEAKERI think the boredom would be the thing that would get me.

59:43SPEAKERHave you watched Strange New Worlds yet?

59:45SPEAKERNo.

59:45SPEAKERYou need to watch Strange New Worlds.

59:46SPEAKERYeah, I should.

59:47SPEAKERIt's really good.

59:48SPEAKERYou also should watch Lower Decks.

59:49SPEAKERBoth of those are very good.

59:50SPEAKERThere's a new season at Lower Decks like next week or something.

59:53SPEAKEROkay.

59:53SPEAKERLet's do two more real quick here.

59:55SPEAKERGauge 006.

59:56SPEAKERI live in an apartment with great Google fiber.

59:58SPEAKERHowever, there's only one fiber jack in the living room and no ethernet in the walls.

1:00:02SPEAKERWhat's the best way to get near ethernet speed in my office?

1:00:05SPEAKERA cable in the hallway isn't an option.

1:00:08SPEAKERI'm going to make a novel solution here.

1:00:11SPEAKERLiving room in the office, office in the living room.

1:00:14SPEAKERWait, I'm sorry.

1:00:14SPEAKERCan you just flip flop it?

1:00:16SPEAKERHuh?

1:00:16SPEAKERYeah, these are arbitrary constructs implied by society.

1:00:23SPEAKERYou don't have to follow society's rules.

1:00:25SPEAKERWho's your apartment complex to tell you that's the living room and that's the office?

1:00:28SPEAKERThat's fair.

1:00:29SPEAKERThat's, you know, live how you want to live.

1:00:31SPEAKERI was going to say the two, I've never tried either of these,

1:00:34SPEAKERbut the two classic options are a power outlet, power line networking.

1:00:40SPEAKERI mean, they're fine.

1:00:41SPEAKERMocha sounds like it's better than my understanding.

1:00:44SPEAKERAgain, you can look up numbers like my understanding is the power line networking

1:00:48SPEAKERis less reliable and it has a lot of latency.

1:00:50SPEAKERYeah, the power line network is more latent than wifi.

1:00:53SPEAKERAnd also will has a tendency if the wire at the house is wired badly to bleed out to your

1:01:00SPEAKERneighbors.

1:01:00SPEAKERSo you have to encrypt it.

1:01:02SPEAKEROh, yikes.

1:01:02SPEAKERLess of a problem now than it used to be when they were all unencrypted devices.

1:01:05SPEAKERBut now it's, it's the same as using WPA with wifi, right?

1:01:09SPEAKERSure.

1:01:09SPEAKERSounds like Mocha is probably a way better option from what I gather.

1:01:13SPEAKERThat uses coax in your walls.

1:01:14SPEAKERSo if you have coaxial cable, like from the cable company installed in multiple places,

1:01:18SPEAKERyou can put adapters on there and run through that.

1:01:21SPEAKERAnd that sounds like it's pretty good.

1:01:23SPEAKERI think the big problem there is it's just pretty expensive.

1:01:25SPEAKERI think like the other 200 boxes, probably for the boxes, a little, little bit of research,

1:01:30SPEAKERlike the cheapest I've seen, like a pair of Mocha adapters was like 150 bucks.

1:01:34SPEAKERThe the other thing, the other option in this is wifi, a X is pretty good.

1:01:41SPEAKERWifi six is pretty good.

1:01:44SPEAKERYou're going to have a little more latency than you would with a wire.

1:01:47SPEAKERThe other, other thing is if you have carpet in your apartment, you can do the old sneaky,

1:01:53SPEAKERrun it around the jam, the cable under the trim between the carpet and the trim.

1:01:58SPEAKERAnd that works great.

1:01:59SPEAKERAnd no one will ever know what shirt has done it before.

1:02:02SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:02SPEAKERJust get a skinny, skinny ethernet cable.

1:02:05SPEAKERYou can also get flat ethernet cables that might even slide into the trim with hardware

1:02:09SPEAKERif the trim is low enough.

1:02:11SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:11SPEAKERLike cable purists will tell you that that's not great for signal quality.

1:02:16SPEAKERYou know what is, is it better than wifi or worse than wifi?

1:02:19SPEAKERThat's the question you have to ask yourself.

1:02:21SPEAKERI think technically they're supposed to be twisted, right?

1:02:23SPEAKERBut then again, they also said you couldn't round IDE cables and look at us now.

1:02:28SPEAKERWell, the pairs can still be twisted inside the flat one.

1:02:31SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:31SPEAKERI think, I think most of them are not as the complaint that I've seen.

1:02:34SPEAKERI think that's, I, yeah.

1:02:35SPEAKERI have a little flat ethernet cable I use for something and it works fine.

1:02:38SPEAKERI, I, what I will tell you is I have taken the four pairs out of ethernet, an ethernet

1:02:43SPEAKERcable before untwisted them, plugged it in and it doesn't work.

1:02:47SPEAKERSo they're doing something with the flat cables to make them work.

1:02:50SPEAKERI do not know what it is.

1:02:51SPEAKERInteresting.

1:02:51SPEAKERYeah.

1:02:52SPEAKERHuh.

1:02:52SPEAKEROkay.

1:02:53SPEAKERLast question.

1:02:54SPEAKERHit me.

1:02:54SPEAKERThat's another cake batter.

1:02:56SPEAKERShould I run for municipal council?

1:02:58SPEAKERYes.

1:02:58SPEAKERYes.

1:02:59SPEAKERAbsolutely.

1:02:59SPEAKERExtremely yes.

1:03:01SPEAKERCake.

1:03:01SPEAKERIf you get elected to local government, I'm moving to your town or village or Hamlet or

1:03:05SPEAKERwhatever it is.

1:03:07SPEAKERI started getting spam asking me to run for office last month or two months ago.

1:03:11SPEAKERInteresting spam.

1:03:12SPEAKERText spam.

1:03:13SPEAKERHuh.

1:03:14SPEAKERIs that like scam spam?

1:03:15SPEAKERI'm trying to think.

1:03:15SPEAKERWhat is their angle?

1:03:16SPEAKERWell, so I engaged because I was curious.

1:03:19SPEAKERMaybe it's just actually truly genuinely civic minded responsible citizens.

1:03:24SPEAKERIt's an outreach group put together by the DNC.

1:03:27SPEAKEROh.

1:03:27SPEAKERTrying to get people to run for local office.

1:03:29SPEAKERAnd they looked at, because they had my information and knew who I was because I had signed up

1:03:33SPEAKERto donate money at some point.

1:03:35SPEAKERThey were able to look up my voting records and they were like, Hey, you voted in all

1:03:38SPEAKERthe elections.

1:03:39SPEAKERThat's pretty good.

1:03:40SPEAKERYou're clearly interested.

1:03:44SPEAKERI politely declined because I'm over overburdened right now.

1:03:47SPEAKERI did not want to be the, on the garbage board of Pacifica or whatever they wanted me to

1:03:50SPEAKERrun for.

1:03:51SPEAKERBut anyway, yes, everybody should run for local office, run for the school board, run

1:03:55SPEAKERfor the city council, run for, well, not everybody.

1:03:58SPEAKERIf you, if you, if you think some people have more rights than other people, don't run.

1:04:02SPEAKERThat's my advice.

1:04:03SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:03SPEAKERThat's, that sounds pretty sound.

1:04:05SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:06SPEAKERI don't even need to know cake's electoral platform.

1:04:09SPEAKERI think cake's probably fine.

1:04:10SPEAKERIt's policy.

1:04:11SPEAKERI'm just going to assume if he gets elected, it'll, it'll be, it'll be a trashcan generating

1:04:15SPEAKERweather data on every corner.

1:04:17SPEAKERAnd I am, I'm excited for that.

1:04:19SPEAKERBringing the darkness to city government, local government.

1:04:22SPEAKERI'm all for that.

1:04:23SPEAKERYes, indeed.

1:04:24SPEAKERAll right.

1:04:25SPEAKERBrad.

1:04:26SPEAKERYes.

1:04:26SPEAKERAre we at the end?

1:04:27SPEAKEROh, how, how do people, if people enjoyed this episode and would like to submit their

1:04:30SPEAKERown questions, how would they do that?

1:04:32SPEAKERIf you're on the discord, go to the questions seeking answers channel and drop them in there.

1:04:37SPEAKERAlso, we, we get this pretty regularly.

1:04:39SPEAKERI'll just mention this real quick that we see people once or twice a month saying like,

1:04:43SPEAKERHey, I can actually see the questions in here right now.

1:04:44SPEAKERThat's just an artifact of the way the discord hides questions, hides, hides comments.

1:04:49SPEAKERYeah.

1:04:50SPEAKERIf you're, what is it?

1:04:51SPEAKERI think if you're signed in and in that channel, when somebody asks things, you'll see that.

1:04:55SPEAKERIf you are sitting looking at that channel while the people are posting questions, then

1:04:58SPEAKERthey won't go away until the next time you exit and come back to the channel.

1:05:01SPEAKERYes.

1:05:02SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:02SPEAKERSo there's, there's nothing we can do about that part.

1:05:04SPEAKERSo like, don't, don't also don't confess to murders or anything like, like, I don't want

1:05:08SPEAKERto have to take legal action in that channel.

1:05:10SPEAKERIt's not, this isn't a place.

1:05:11SPEAKERThis isn't like confession to take that to your priest.

1:05:15SPEAKERYeah.

1:05:16SPEAKERThis is a Q is turning into A's.

1:05:18SPEAKERYes, indeed.

1:05:19SPEAKEROr they can send their questions to the email address techpod@content.town.

1:05:24SPEAKERYou mean techpod@content.town?

1:05:25SPEAKERI do mean techpod@content.town.

1:05:28SPEAKERAnd then we will occasionally turn those Q's into A's as well.

1:05:30SPEAKERThat's right.

1:05:31SPEAKERAlso, we always end up with a surplus.

1:05:34SPEAKERWe didn't get to nearly all of these questions today.

1:05:36SPEAKERLook, December is going to be oops all questions month.

1:05:38SPEAKERWe're just going to do a whole year's worth of questions in one month.

1:05:43SPEAKEROctober cast season is coming.

1:05:45SPEAKEROh man.

1:05:45SPEAKERI haven't done an October cast in a long time.

1:05:47SPEAKERI cannot, I physically cannot stay up for 24 hours anymore.

1:05:51SPEAKERJust can't.

1:05:51SPEAKERYou know, Brad, there's two of us.

1:05:53SPEAKERWe could do 12 hours each.

1:05:56SPEAKERI'm going to be raising money for AbleGamers next month on Twitch.

1:05:59SPEAKERAnd for the old timers who liked watching me build Lego back in the day, I've been streaming

1:06:05SPEAKERLego builds at night, which has been fun lately, but this is the part of the show where we

1:06:10SPEAKERthank our patrons.

1:06:11SPEAKERThank you, patrons.

1:06:12SPEAKERBecause the tech pod is a listener supported show and we appreciate all of you all.

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1:06:22SPEAKERThat's patreon.com/techpod.

1:06:25SPEAKERAnd you can join the ranks of our supporters, including our executive producer tier supporters.

1:06:29SPEAKERSuch as Andrew Slosky, Paddle Creek Games, makers of Fractured Veil, James Kamik, Joel

1:06:35SPEAKERKrauska, Octothorpe, Twinkie has a new pick and place, Wedge assistant and Wedge assistant

1:06:41SPEAKERto the thread club manager.

1:06:44SPEAKERWe added an Australia channel to the discord the other day.

1:06:47SPEAKERYou did.

1:06:48SPEAKERYeah.

1:06:49SPEAKERAnd we added a book club channel so they could have threads for each weeks or months books

1:06:55SPEAKERunder the, under the book club channel.

1:06:57SPEAKERWe've got multiple clubs now.

1:07:00SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:00SPEAKERThe book club's going places.

1:07:02SPEAKERThey're doing, they're doing a lot of, they're picking good books.

1:07:04SPEAKERI'm excited about what they're reading.

1:07:05SPEAKERI think I'm going to read the next one because I can't remember what it was off the top of

1:07:07SPEAKERmy head, but I remember looking at the thing.

1:07:08SPEAKEROh man, that looks pretty good.

1:07:10SPEAKERI might need to get on that too.

1:07:11SPEAKERI've got this new Kindle I need to read more.

1:07:13SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:14SPEAKERSo I ended up getting one of the new Kindles the other day too.

1:07:17SPEAKERWhen they were on sale again.

1:07:18SPEAKERPaper white.

1:07:18SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:19SPEAKERPaper white.

1:07:19SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

1:07:20SPEAKERIt's too big.

1:07:22SPEAKERI can't one hand it as well as I used to.

1:07:24SPEAKEROh really?

1:07:24SPEAKERI think it's just right.

1:07:26SPEAKERYeah.

1:07:26SPEAKERAnyway, we also thank our associate producers here, patrons at the, at the end of the month

1:07:31SPEAKERof the Q and a episode.

1:07:32SPEAKERSo we would like to thank Andre M Burke, Arthur Geese, Dave Julian, Eric Klein, Graham Banks,

1:07:38SPEAKERJad Rita, Jason Neelan, Jay Mabey, Joseph Thorne, Nathan Phelps, Steve Lynn, Thomas

1:07:44SPEAKERShay, and Travis Rosner.

1:07:45SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.

1:07:46SPEAKERWe appreciate you.

1:07:47SPEAKERYes, thank you.

1:07:48SPEAKERThank you to all.

1:07:49SPEAKERAnd I think that's going to do it for us this month.

1:07:52SPEAKERI can confirm it's going to do it.

1:07:54SPEAKERWe will see you all next week.

1:07:58SPEAKERBye everybody.