141: Poor Pour Pore Technique

00:00SPEAKERDo you ever have a skill that you've spent

00:02SPEAKERa long time learning that then you suddenly read something

00:05SPEAKERthat completely changes your view

00:08SPEAKERof like a fundamental core assumption you made

00:11SPEAKERlike 10 years ago?

00:13SPEAKER- For the sake of argument, let's say yes.

00:14SPEAKERThis sounds like you've had a recent experience.

00:17SPEAKER- Yeah, so I had a Dunning-Gruger moment

00:20SPEAKERwhen I was making coffee a few weeks ago

00:24SPEAKERand I went to look something up

00:25SPEAKERand I went to the coffee subreddit,

00:26SPEAKERwhich is actually a surprisingly robust community

00:29SPEAKERfull of people who are both good at making coffee

00:32SPEAKERand relatively inclusive for the most part.

00:34SPEAKER- Is this, just to be clear,

00:35SPEAKERis this literally r/coffee?

00:37SPEAKER- It's r/coffee, I think.

00:38SPEAKERIt's funny, my subreddits that I follow

00:43SPEAKERare kind of ossified at this point.

00:45SPEAKERLike I occasionally will add a new game

00:46SPEAKERthat I'm really into, like Elden Ring made the cut.

00:50SPEAKERSteam Deck, r/steamedeck recently made the cut.

00:53SPEAKER- Okay, I think it's safe to assume

00:54SPEAKERthat coffee is the coffee subreddit.

00:56SPEAKERIt's not like brewmeister 5000 or something.

00:59SPEAKER- Well, you say that, but sometimes it is some weird offshoot

01:02SPEAKERbut I believe it is r/coffee.

01:03SPEAKERI can look and add a link in the show notes later.

01:07SPEAKERBut so they were talking about pour technique

01:10SPEAKERand I've spent more than a thousand hours

01:13SPEAKERover the last 12, 13 years doing pour overs, right?

01:16SPEAKERIt's the thing I do every day, sometimes twice.

01:19SPEAKERAnd I feel like I'm pretty good at it.

01:21SPEAKERThere was a post about pouring

01:23SPEAKERand letting the water drain all the way out

01:25SPEAKERbefore you pour more or pouring more on top of the water

01:29SPEAKERthat's already in there so the beds never get dry,

01:30SPEAKERthe bed never gets dry.

01:33SPEAKERAnd somebody said, "Yeah, you let it drain all the way out

01:36SPEAKER"so that it doesn't channel water

01:39SPEAKER"through the same path every single time.

01:41SPEAKER"That's the reason you let it dry and you report."

01:43SPEAKERAnd I was like, "Oh, that makes perfect sense."

01:45SPEAKER'Cause you wanna get even distribution

01:47SPEAKERthrough all the grounds, not just have the water go

01:50SPEAKERby the same subset of grounds the entire time.

01:52SPEAKERSo it's the easy path.

01:53SPEAKERYes, you want equal opportunity ground wetting.

01:56SPEAKERWell, I was assuming that you wanna keep the grounds

01:59SPEAKERin suspension the whole time.

02:00SPEAKERSo they're kind of a little bit floating and turbulent,

02:02SPEAKERwhich is, it turns out, not at all the right way to do this.

02:05SPEAKERAnd my coffee game has gotten so much stronger

02:08SPEAKERin the last three weeks since I learned this, so.

02:11SPEAKERIt feels like a chaos problem for Ian Malcolm.

02:13SPEAKERThis is like right up there

02:15SPEAKERwith putting the water droplet on Laura Dern's hand.

02:17SPEAKEROh, slight imperfections in the skin, Brad.

02:20SPEAKERYes, slight imperfections in your coffee grounds.

02:23SPEAKERI also, I have to say that when you said poor technique,

02:28SPEAKERit took me a good second to realize

02:29SPEAKERyou meant P-O-U-R and not P-O-O-R.

02:33SPEAKEROr P-O-R-E.

02:34SPEAKERMm, that's, mm, you're--

02:37SPEAKERSlight imperfections in the skin, Brad.

02:40SPEAKERYou have poor, poor, poor technique.

02:42SPEAKER(upbeat music)

02:51SPEAKER(upbeat music)

03:10SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

03:12SPEAKERI'm Will. I'm Brad.

03:14SPEAKERYeah, I think we should think about changing the name

03:15SPEAKERnow, finally.

03:16SPEAKERI feel like I have some ideas.

03:19SPEAKERI don't know if I want to put them out there yet,

03:20SPEAKERbut--

03:21SPEAKERWhat's bringing this on at episode 141?

03:23SPEAKERYou know, there's never, you can't,

03:26SPEAKERyou can't get too attached to things is all I'm saying.

03:28SPEAKERYou know, whether it's your poor technique

03:29SPEAKERor the name of your podcast or whatever it happens to be.

03:35SPEAKERIt's the end of the month, Brad.

03:36SPEAKERIt is.

03:37SPEAKERI don't know how that happened already.

03:38SPEAKERYeah, the last like three of these that we've done,

03:40SPEAKERwe've stopped and said like,

03:41SPEAKER"Is it really time for another Q and A?

03:43SPEAKERLike, can we get away with that?

03:44SPEAKERDo we need to do one more week first?"

03:46SPEAKERIt seems like it was just a day ago that it was the solstice

03:48SPEAKERand now here we are at the end of the month looking,

03:52SPEAKERlooking down the barrel of another July.

03:54SPEAKEROh, it was so hot on the solstice.

03:56SPEAKERIt was easily the hottest day of the year out here.

03:59SPEAKERIt was in the nineties in the city.

04:00SPEAKERI don't know about for you.

04:01SPEAKERHey, look, I know people mock us for being complainers

04:05SPEAKERabout Bay Area weather, but A, well, I mean,

04:07SPEAKERI have air conditioning now kind of,

04:08SPEAKERbut it's only in one or two rooms.

04:10SPEAKERThe houses here are not built for climate extremes.

04:14SPEAKERThey're built for temperate coastal

04:16SPEAKERand 90 degrees real hot here, it turns out.

04:20SPEAKERI say it every time, not only no AC,

04:22SPEAKERlike we don't even have ceiling fans in this apartment.

04:24SPEAKERWhatever crappy desk fans we can,

04:27SPEAKERthis is all we've got, it's bad.

04:28SPEAKERAnd hey, weird, extreme weather is becoming

04:32SPEAKERa little more common than it was.

04:34SPEAKERYeah, it's a weird coincidence, huh?

04:36SPEAKERI don't know, it must be something in the air.

04:40SPEAKERAnyway, Carl the fog has fully exerted his presence

04:44SPEAKERat this point.

04:45SPEAKERI don't think Carl tweets anymore.

04:46SPEAKERNo, I haven't seen a Carl tweet in a really long time.

04:48SPEAKERMaybe I unfollowed Carl the fog and didn't realize it

04:50SPEAKER'cause he's too busy shitting up my sunny mornings.

04:53SPEAKERMaybe Carl the fog blocked me.

04:55SPEAKERI didn't even think about that, that's grim.

04:57SPEAKERBlocked by weather.

04:59SPEAKERYeah, wow.

05:00SPEAKERThat's a low, that is a serious low

05:02SPEAKERin your internet career.

05:04SPEAKERI know that politicians aren't allowed to block you

05:06SPEAKERfrom official accounts, but is weather allowed to block you?

05:09SPEAKERHey, the weather as part of the cold uncaring universe,

05:12SPEAKERI think can do whatever it wants.

05:15SPEAKERI am not, the good news, folks, is that I am not blocked

05:17SPEAKERby Carl the fog, but I did apparently at some point

05:20SPEAKERstop following Carl the fog.

05:22SPEAKERI think Carl the fog maybe got political at some point.

05:25SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't need this

05:27SPEAKERfor my fog related accounts, Twitter accounts.

05:30SPEAKERJust be weather, please.

05:32SPEAKERYeah.

05:33SPEAKEROh boy, okay, all right.

05:35SPEAKERWe have questions.

05:36SPEAKERYeah, people have questions.

05:38SPEAKERYeah, you're right, they have questions.

05:40SPEAKERWe maybe have answers.

05:41SPEAKERIf people have questions, how do they get them?

05:43SPEAKERIs there some way that they can get them to us?

05:46SPEAKERIf you're on the discord, you can go to the questions

05:49SPEAKERof seeking answers channel and drop them in there.

05:52SPEAKEROkay.

05:53SPEAKERAlso, there's an email account.

05:55SPEAKERDid you check the email account?

05:56SPEAKERYeah, I have one right here, ready to go

05:57SPEAKERas is our tradition.

05:59SPEAKERThose are our now customary one email question.

06:01SPEAKERWhat do you got?

06:02SPEAKERI absolutely did not just open the emails two seconds ago

06:05SPEAKERand find the two questions and pick one of the two

06:07SPEAKERthat are there.

06:09SPEAKERColin says peanut butter and honey on a pancake.

06:12SPEAKERYes or no?

06:13SPEAKEROh, wow, I never even thought, wow.

06:15SPEAKERSo I am a fan- That's next level,

06:17SPEAKERI'm gonna say.

06:18SPEAKERYes, I am a fan of the peanut butter and honey sandwich.

06:21SPEAKERI like peanut butter and honey on an English muffin,

06:23SPEAKERjust open-faced, toasted, it's real good.

06:27SPEAKERI don't know if I've ever done peanut butter

06:28SPEAKERon pancakes, period.

06:29SPEAKERI guess I've done peanut butter on waffles though.

06:32SPEAKERI've never done peanut butter on any,

06:33SPEAKERlike I've never done peanut butter on pancakes or waffles.

06:37SPEAKERThat's madness, but I'm gonna try it.

06:39SPEAKERWe, there's a place in town called Zazi

06:42SPEAKERthat we used to go to for brunch

06:43SPEAKERthat does a gingerbread pancake that they put lemon curd on.

06:46SPEAKERWow.

06:47SPEAKERI'm gonna go and tell you, it's the business.

06:49SPEAKERIt's really, really good.

06:50SPEAKERIt's worth waiting in line for, it's that good.

06:52SPEAKERThat sounds really, sorry, you said it was gingerbread?

06:54SPEAKERGingerbread pancake with lemon curd spread.

06:57SPEAKERYou have to ask for the lemon curd.

06:59SPEAKERUsually they give you maple syrup and butter,

07:00SPEAKERbut if you ask for the lemon curd,

07:02SPEAKERyou just smear it on the top.

07:03SPEAKERSmear.

07:04SPEAKERAnd it is delish.

07:06SPEAKERMy mom just made, I'd never had lemon curd

07:08SPEAKERuntil like three months ago.

07:09SPEAKEROh, wow.

07:10SPEAKERShe made some in the instant pot.

07:12SPEAKEROh, I didn't know you could do that.

07:14SPEAKERAnd wow, lemon curd's pretty good.

07:16SPEAKERWe do, lemon curd was a staple in my house

07:19SPEAKERbecause if I think my mother and grandmother's

07:22SPEAKEREnglish lineage in history.

07:25SPEAKERDo you observe the rule that you're not supposed to use

07:27SPEAKERmetal utensils with it because it can pick up

07:29SPEAKERa slightly metallic taste?

07:32SPEAKERIf commercially processed stuff

07:33SPEAKERdoesn't have that problem generally,

07:35SPEAKERif you make it at home, you have to do that.

07:36SPEAKERYeah, yes, it was a lot of plastic spoons.

07:40SPEAKERYeah, it is difficult to find lemon curd

07:49SPEAKERthat I don't like, it turns out.

07:51SPEAKERI like all lemon, I like lemon creams,

07:53SPEAKERI like lemon curd.

07:56SPEAKERWe got lemon jelly at the gardener,

07:58SPEAKERat the garden sale in Pacifica a few weeks ago.

08:00SPEAKERI haven't tried that yet, but I'm interested.

08:02SPEAKERLemon jelly, wow.

08:03SPEAKERYeah.

08:04SPEAKERI didn't even know that was possible.

08:05SPEAKERLemon meringue pie.

08:06SPEAKERI had key lime pie for Father's Day this year,

08:09SPEAKERwhich was delish, kind of the same.

08:11SPEAKERThose are two sides of the same coin.

08:13SPEAKERLemon meringue and key lime are just, hmm.

08:15SPEAKERYou know, it turns out I'm not as big a fan of meringue

08:18SPEAKERas you maybe would think.

08:19SPEAKERI'm kind of with you, actually.

08:20SPEAKERI feel like the meringue is a thing to be tolerated

08:23SPEAKERto get to the good stuff.

08:24SPEAKERI like the whipped cream on the key lime

08:27SPEAKERbetter than the meringue on the lemon meringue.

08:29SPEAKERI would, you know what,

08:30SPEAKERI would take a lemon whipped cream pie.

08:33SPEAKEROh yeah, I would, absolutely.

08:35SPEAKERLemon topped whipped cream pie.

08:39SPEAKERAnyway, what was it, pancakes with peanut butter and honey?

08:42SPEAKERMan, I'm gonna try that.

08:43SPEAKERThat sounds great.

08:44SPEAKERI might even take the peanut butter on a pancake

08:47SPEAKERand put it up one half and then fold it up like a taco.

08:50SPEAKEROh, wow, oh man, but it's gonna be-

08:52SPEAKERA hand pancake.

08:53SPEAKERRight, but that's gonna be warm peanut butter

08:55SPEAKERand warm honey just coming out both ends.

08:57SPEAKERIt's gonna- Yeah.

08:59SPEAKERYou might as well go eat that in the bathtub.

09:01SPEAKER(laughs)

09:03SPEAKERSo if you have questions,

09:04SPEAKERyou can send them to techpod@content.town.

09:07SPEAKERAgain, it's techpod@content.town.

09:10SPEAKERBrad, what's the other way for people to send in questions?

09:12SPEAKERYeah, we've got all these Discord questions here

09:14SPEAKERas mentioned.

09:15SPEAKERI was gonna say real fast, it just occurred to me

09:17SPEAKERthat now that people know that emailing a question

09:19SPEAKERis an almost guaranteed way.

09:20SPEAKERIf you've got like a 50/50 shot of getting your question

09:23SPEAKERon the show, if you email it,

09:24SPEAKERwe may have to start checking the inbox more often.

09:26SPEAKERYeah, most of our emails these days are from people,

09:29SPEAKERhere's one, it says, "No hard feelings.

09:31SPEAKER"Since I haven't heard back,

09:32SPEAKER"I assume you don't want to work with us

09:34SPEAKER"at blank blank media.

09:35SPEAKER"That's okay, no hard feelings.

09:36SPEAKER"If you change your mind at some point,

09:37SPEAKER"will you give us a call?"

09:38SPEAKERWow, I know.

09:40SPEAKERThat's like a guilt trip.

09:42SPEAKERThey're, look, it's the hard sell.

09:45SPEAKERYou get some like prospective ad partners,

09:47SPEAKERpeople in marketing, stuff like that,

09:49SPEAKERwho are trying to draft on your podcasts,

09:52SPEAKERwho are fairly persistent,

09:55SPEAKERbut I've never seen one straight up

09:57SPEAKERlike lays a passive aggressive guilt trip

09:59SPEAKERon you for not responding.

10:00SPEAKERWe have more,

10:04SPEAKERwe have more, here's an email from Timothy

10:07SPEAKERabout "Crank", the unofficial game of the movie.

10:11SPEAKEROh?

10:13SPEAKERHe says, "As a short time listener of the pod,

10:15SPEAKER"a finalist within our backlog,

10:17SPEAKER"I'm both sad and excited to have listened

10:18SPEAKER"to the most current episode.

10:19SPEAKER"It took me like three months between this pod,

10:21SPEAKER"Next Lander, and Giant Bomb Pod to finally catch up.

10:23SPEAKER"Had a few ideas on the 'Crank' game for the play date

10:25SPEAKER"you two will be cooking up for us.

10:26SPEAKER"What if the idle battery tragedy game

10:28SPEAKER"had a crank skin/unlock mechanism in it from the movies?

10:32SPEAKER"He must get charged up multiple times

10:34SPEAKER"in somewhat escalating ways in order to stay alive."

10:37SPEAKERAnd then he has a bunch of other ideas about that.

10:39SPEAKERThis is pretty, yeah.

10:40SPEAKERWe had more than two emails is what I'm saying.

10:42SPEAKER- Okay.

10:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I need to make a point

10:44SPEAKERto go through the emails more regularly

10:46SPEAKER'cause now that we've started mentioning them every month,

10:48SPEAKERpeople are sending them in again, which, yeah, anyway.

10:52SPEAKER- It's nice to feel wanted.

10:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

10:54SPEAKER- Okay, shall we get into these Discord questions?

10:57SPEAKERThe answer is yes, I didn't have to ask you that.

10:59SPEAKER- Questions.

11:00SPEAKER- I should just start reading a question.

11:00SPEAKER- Questions.

11:02SPEAKER- Here's a question from gauge 006.

11:05SPEAKERThey may think of it as gauge 006, but I like the.

11:09SPEAKER- I assume it's double O.

11:10SPEAKER- I like the double O construction, okay.

11:12SPEAKER- Alex Trevenion was double O six in "GoldenEye."

11:17SPEAKER- Is that it?

11:18SPEAKERI was just about to say,

11:19SPEAKERI don't know why I know that that's a "GoldenEye" character

11:21SPEAKERbecause I've never seen a James Bond movie start to finish.

11:24SPEAKER- Yeah, but you played "GoldenEye,"

11:25SPEAKERthe canonical first console shooter that was worth a damn.

11:29SPEAKERI guess I kind of played it.

11:30SPEAKER- Okay. - Coming soon to the Xbox, I assume.

11:32SPEAKER- Here's gauge 006 question.

11:34SPEAKERI thought that was gonna happen at their showcase

11:36SPEAKERand just crickets, even though the achievements are out there

11:39SPEAKERI don't know what's going on.

11:40SPEAKER- I think if you show off a 25 year old game

11:42SPEAKERthat turns out isn't that good when you replay it,

11:44SPEAKERmaybe by today's standards.

11:46SPEAKER- Oh, come on, oh, come on.

11:47SPEAKERPeople love that game.

11:48SPEAKERThey don't care how good it isn't.

11:50SPEAKER- Fair, okay.

11:50SPEAKER- They just want, they want their "GoldenEye" also at Xbox.

11:54SPEAKERThey don't have a lot of else, a lot else going on.

11:57SPEAKER- I want to bitch about you choosing "Odd Job"

11:59SPEAKERand having an advantage 'cause the hit box was smaller.

12:03SPEAKER- What were they thinking?

12:04SPEAKER- What were they thinking?

12:05SPEAKER- Okay, all right, gauge 006.

12:07SPEAKERI miss the phone OS wars, RIP Palm and WebOS, the best OS.

12:12SPEAKERIt seemed like new technology or ideas

12:14SPEAKERwere coming out all the time,

12:15SPEAKERbut then since Google and Apple took over,

12:16SPEAKERit's become very boring and incremental.

12:20SPEAKERDo you think we'll see a return to real competition

12:22SPEAKERin the phone space at some time?

12:25SPEAKER- I think you have a correlation between two different things

12:28SPEAKERthat happened around the same time.

12:29SPEAKEROne is that the OS space consolidated

12:32SPEAKERand the other is that phones got boring

12:34SPEAKERbecause we reached a base level of functionality

12:38SPEAKERon the hardware side, actually.

12:40SPEAKERSo I don't think, I don't know that phones are gonna be,

12:45SPEAKERI think phones, phones went from,

12:47SPEAKERhey, everything is new and exciting and fresh

12:49SPEAKERto incremental upgrade cycle in like five years, maybe?

12:53SPEAKERFrom like 2007 to 20,

12:56SPEAKERlike by the time the iPhone 5 came out,

12:58SPEAKERit was basically done.

12:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know why, for some reason in my mind,

13:02SPEAKERwhat was the first iOS with the flat design aesthetic?

13:05SPEAKERWas it seven?

13:06SPEAKERI think that was iOS seven, right?

13:07SPEAKERWhere all the icons went flat.

13:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it was six or seven, I think.

13:10SPEAKER- That is around the time to me that phones kind of plateaued

13:13SPEAKERin terms of being interesting

13:14SPEAKERand just became like a thing that you use.

13:16SPEAKER- Well, yeah, so the core feature set became not ossified

13:22SPEAKERbecause it's still changing.

13:23SPEAKERBut like, if you think about back to early iPhone,

13:26SPEAKERwe didn't have notifications.

13:27SPEAKERLike there was no way to go back

13:29SPEAKERand see old notifications, right?

13:31SPEAKERYou couldn't say, oh, I want notifications from this app,

13:33SPEAKERbut not this app,

13:34SPEAKERunless the apps actually offered that as a feature.

13:38SPEAKERSo you didn't have a way to add stuff with your voice.

13:41SPEAKERYou didn't have a way to search the entire OS.

13:44SPEAKERYou didn't have a way to share things between apps.

13:47SPEAKERLike remember, like it's hard to remember

13:50SPEAKERthe iterative process over those first like eight

13:53SPEAKERor 10 years of phone development

13:54SPEAKERgot us to a really interesting place.

13:56SPEAKERLike shockingly, it took 30 years for that to happen in PCs.

14:01SPEAKERSo I don't know, I kind of miss,

14:03SPEAKERWebOS has a pretty good install base these days on LG TVs,

14:08SPEAKERit turns out,

14:09SPEAKERbecause that's what their backend is based on.

14:11SPEAKERBut yeah, I miss the more everything is crazy.

14:16SPEAKERLike what's the crazy new thing

14:18SPEAKERthat Steve Jobs is gonna stand on the stage

14:19SPEAKERand introduce this year

14:21SPEAKERwas always a highlight day of the year.

14:23SPEAKER- Absolutely.

14:24SPEAKERAnd then, you know, a couple of things happened.

14:27SPEAKER- On the Apple side,

14:28SPEAKERI have to give them some credit recently

14:30SPEAKERin the last couple of iOS versions,

14:31SPEAKERbut also this is such an incredibly low bar

14:33SPEAKERthat it's actually maybe kind of sad

14:34SPEAKERthat I am giving them credit for this,

14:36SPEAKERbut they've been making some moves

14:37SPEAKERand I always apologize for being so Apple centric.

14:40SPEAKERThat's just what we use here, but yeah.

14:42SPEAKERThey've been adding stuff

14:43SPEAKERthat should have been there from day one,

14:44SPEAKERlike letting you actually set defaults

14:46SPEAKERfor things like browser finally.

14:49SPEAKERLike 16 that's coming up,

14:50SPEAKERlike they're actually letting you edit

14:52SPEAKERkind of everything about the home screen,

14:54SPEAKERwhich is something like,

14:55SPEAKERthey've moved away a little bit from the,

14:56SPEAKERlike we know the one right way for you to do things

14:58SPEAKERand you're going to do it

14:59SPEAKERto actually giving you some customization,

15:01SPEAKERwhich has been really nice.

15:03SPEAKER- Well, and the things that are, yeah.

15:05SPEAKERThe interesting thing is people who make apps

15:09SPEAKERare now a little gun shy about supporting stuff.

15:11SPEAKERLike the widgets are a good example.

15:12SPEAKERThe widgets in the control center

15:14SPEAKERand in the slide out tray,

15:17SPEAKERthe uptick on those has been really low

15:19SPEAKERdespite them being very useful

15:22SPEAKERoutside of like the people who make iOS and Mac only apps.

15:27SPEAKERSo I'm interested to see,

15:29SPEAKERI think they're waiting to see

15:30SPEAKERif people stick with that stuff before they push on.

15:35SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, I don't know.

15:39SPEAKERI think real competition in the phone space

15:41SPEAKERis probably done at this point.

15:44SPEAKER- That's sad.

15:45SPEAKERLike the one thing I wanted to bring up here

15:46SPEAKERis like risk five becoming more of a thing.

15:49SPEAKERLike maybe we'll start seeing,

15:51SPEAKER'cause that's an open architecture for SOCs.

15:53SPEAKERBut like when you think about,

15:54SPEAKERlike in my mind, in my like digital hippie,

15:57SPEAKERkind of like everything should be open kind of conception.

16:00SPEAKERIt would be cool if there was like a common hardware spec

16:04SPEAKERand like a, I guess I would say like a Linux for phones.

16:07SPEAKERI mean, that's what Android was supposed to be originally,

16:10SPEAKERright, until it became a little more proprietary,

16:12SPEAKERbut like a truly open, fully open a phone OS.

16:17SPEAKERBut like when I think about like all the,

16:21SPEAKERthe manufacturing chain

16:23SPEAKERto actually build a phone top to bottom,

16:24SPEAKERlike anybody making an investment like that

16:26SPEAKERto make a usable device,

16:28SPEAKERprobably is going to want to close everything off

16:30SPEAKERand control every aspect of the business they can.

16:32SPEAKER- Well, and also there's nothing saying

16:35SPEAKERyou can't build a closed OS on top of an open CPU SOC, right?

16:40SPEAKERLike, I don't, I don't know.

16:43SPEAKERI just, I don't know that I'm going to sacrifice.

16:47SPEAKERI like, like I think the other way to look at this

16:49SPEAKERis that rather than saying, hey, it's been ossified,

16:52SPEAKERit's that, hey, no matter what phone you get,

16:54SPEAKERyou get a minimum level of functionality

16:56SPEAKERthat's really, really high and coherent at this point.

16:59SPEAKERSo like, it's kind of like the places

17:03SPEAKERthat that weird innovation has been happening,

17:05SPEAKERthat fast innovation has been happening

17:07SPEAKERare around the edges and things like the,

17:09SPEAKERI can't remember the name of the company

17:10SPEAKERthat makes the phone off the top of my head,

17:12SPEAKERbut the people that are doing the modular phones

17:13SPEAKERwhere you can, is it Element?

17:15SPEAKER- The Fairphone?

17:16SPEAKERI think there's a couple, there's a couple.

17:17SPEAKERThe Fairphone and Element may be two different groups.

17:20SPEAKERI'm not sure.

17:21SPEAKER- But, but yeah, like there's, there's like that,

17:23SPEAKERthat kind of stuff where you can buy modules

17:24SPEAKERthat you plug in and then you can assemble the phone

17:27SPEAKERwith exactly the stuff you wanted it is where the,

17:30SPEAKERwhere that kind of, that kind of like bleeding edge stuff

17:34SPEAKERis happening now.

17:35SPEAKERAnd it's much smaller market,

17:36SPEAKERso you don't hear about as much.

17:37SPEAKER- Yeah, you're right.

17:38SPEAKERThe Fairphone is exactly what I had in mind

17:39SPEAKERwhen I was talking about like a kind of

17:41SPEAKERtruly open phone platform, but okay.

17:44SPEAKERHow about a question from Branables?

17:48SPEAKERSince you folks use a Discord a lot for your job or, sorry,

17:52SPEAKERsince you folks use Discord a lot for your,

17:55SPEAKERthe idea that we're each on a single Discord voice, yeah.

17:59SPEAKERSince you folks use Discord a lot for your job,

18:01SPEAKERhow do you stay on top of busy Discords?

18:03SPEAKERIf Discord is moving too fast or has too many messages

18:06SPEAKERsince I last looked, I get overwhelmed,

18:08SPEAKERthen I can't figure out where to start.

18:10SPEAKERThis usually causes me to give up

18:12SPEAKERand likely stop using that Discord server.

18:15SPEAKERI think I don't feel like I can invest the time

18:17SPEAKERinto reading the backlog of messages.

18:19SPEAKERIt's kind of the same reason comic books overwhelm me now.

18:21SPEAKERToo many books and I don't know where or how to start.

18:24SPEAKERI treat Discord as, for the most part, as very ephemeral.

18:28SPEAKERLike, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:31SPEAKERThere are like, there's kind of like a couple of channels

18:34SPEAKERat any given time on our Discord, for example,

18:37SPEAKERthat I do scroll back and try to read most everything

18:40SPEAKERlike the Mr/Emulation one,

18:41SPEAKER'cause I like keeping up with news on that scene.

18:44SPEAKERLike networking and Linux,

18:45SPEAKER'cause that's just kind of what I've been into lately.

18:47SPEAKERLike those, I will try to like scroll back,

18:49SPEAKERbut like for the most part, just sort of dip in

18:53SPEAKERand see what's going on and maybe throw a message in

18:55SPEAKERif you want to chat or even if you don't,

18:58SPEAKERlike don't try to read everything.

18:59SPEAKERLike that just, that way lies madness.

19:02SPEAKER- It's like at some point, like 10 years ago,

19:04SPEAKERI realized I was following more than 500 people on Twitter.

19:07SPEAKERAnd at that point, Twitter went from being a thing

19:09SPEAKERthat I read everything that everybody that I followed

19:11SPEAKERposted to what was on the screen when I had the thing open.

19:16SPEAKERAnd Discord's kind of the same way.

19:19SPEAKERIt shouldn't be, like there are a handful of Discords

19:22SPEAKERI'm in where I'm in there with like a dozen people at most.

19:26SPEAKERAnd those are like, those, it's funny,

19:29SPEAKERmy wife and I were talking about this the other day,

19:30SPEAKER'cause she has a bazillion text threads

19:32SPEAKERwith all of her friends going,

19:33SPEAKERwhere they're talking in groups with each other.

19:35SPEAKERAnd like some days those go off like crazy

19:39SPEAKERand some days there's no messages.

19:41SPEAKERAnd I was like, I don't have a bunch of text threads

19:43SPEAKERwith my friends.

19:44SPEAKERAnd she was like, you have a bazillion Discords

19:46SPEAKERthat you're in with like groups of people

19:48SPEAKERthat you know from the internet

19:49SPEAKERand groups of people that you know from Twitch

19:51SPEAKERand groups of people that you know from work

19:52SPEAKERand old jobs and stuff like that.

19:54SPEAKERSo the ones that are the old jobs

19:57SPEAKERand the group that I, that's the four of us

20:00SPEAKERthat play PUBG every night for five years,

20:03SPEAKERlike I read all the messages in there,

20:04SPEAKERbut I don't read all the messages in the tech pod forum.

20:06SPEAKERAnd you have to rely on at replies to continue conversations

20:12SPEAKERthat you start with people, but it kind of works.

20:15SPEAKERThat's the weird thing is like, you can, I can,

20:17SPEAKERlike I was talking to cake batter the other day

20:19SPEAKERand had long, like I had a conversation

20:24SPEAKERthat spanned a couple of days.

20:26SPEAKERI think it was cake batter.

20:27SPEAKERIt might've been somebody else, but anyway,

20:28SPEAKERand, but like we were able to continue it

20:30SPEAKERbecause of the replies.

20:31SPEAKERSo of course we complicated with that

20:33SPEAKERby asking people not to at message us,

20:35SPEAKERwhich sure, you know, anyway.

20:38SPEAKER- I do wonder if like, I mean,

20:40SPEAKERI don't know how much time you spent on IRC,

20:42SPEAKERbut like, I wonder if those of us who did a lot of things

20:45SPEAKERlike IRC back in the day have had an easier time adapting

20:48SPEAKERback to discord because like,

20:49SPEAKERI've already kind of got that chat mentality.

20:52SPEAKER- For me, it was Twitter, like in the nineties,

20:55SPEAKERthere was so little stuff on the internet

20:56SPEAKERthat I like, I read every slashdot post

20:58SPEAKERand every, every Shaq news post and every blues news post.

21:02SPEAKERAnd like, I just, you could keep up with everything

21:05SPEAKERat that point, right?

21:07SPEAKERFor me, when, when I got into Twitter,

21:09SPEAKERI realized that you absolutely couldn't do that

21:11SPEAKERfor everything that was on Twitter

21:12SPEAKERor you would go crazy really quickly.

21:14SPEAKERSo, but it would, yeah, it's, it's about,

21:17SPEAKERit's about dipping in and not being a completionist.

21:20SPEAKER- Yeah, absolutely.

21:22SPEAKERAll right, question from Narfinger.

21:24SPEAKERWhat was the technology thing you mispronounced

21:26SPEAKERfor the longest?

21:28SPEAKER- This is a trap question.

21:30SPEAKER- Is it?

21:31SPEAKERWell, I've, I mean, I've, I've got an easy answer,

21:33SPEAKERwhich is Asus, I still defiantly kind of.

21:37SPEAKER- Asus?

21:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I oscillate between Asus and Asus even now.

21:42SPEAKERI know it's wrong, but like, ugh.

21:44SPEAKER- The thing I always heard about that,

21:45SPEAKERI don't know if this is true or not,

21:46SPEAKERbut the thing I always heard is that Asus was pronounced,

21:48SPEAKERAsus was pronounced Asus until Acer spun off.

21:51SPEAKER- Oh, really?

21:52SPEAKER- And then they changed the official pronunciation

21:55SPEAKERso it didn't sound the same.

21:56SPEAKER- Wow.

21:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

21:58SPEAKER- Okay, that makes me feel way better.

22:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:00SPEAKER- I don't know, I don't know what that name means.

22:02SPEAKERI don't know where it came from, but.

22:03SPEAKER- It's, I think it's just your normal.

22:05SPEAKERIt's like, like, it's like LG being short

22:07SPEAKERfor lucky gold star.

22:07SPEAKERIt's just letters that go well together

22:09SPEAKERand make a pleasing sound.

22:11SPEAKER- I see.

22:14SPEAKER- I...

22:15SPEAKER(laughing)

22:20SPEAKERYeah, I don't, I don't know.

22:21SPEAKERI was reading ahead and found out the question.

22:23SPEAKERIt's really funny later on.

22:24SPEAKER- Wait, I'm sorry.

22:24SPEAKERCan I, can I jump back in before we move on?

22:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

22:28SPEAKER- I just looked at the Asus web or Wikipedia.

22:31SPEAKERAccording to the company website,

22:33SPEAKERthe name Asus originates from Pegasus.

22:36SPEAKER- Oh, that makes sense.

22:38SPEAKER- Although I could, I could definitely see that

22:39SPEAKERbeing some kind of like lore

22:41SPEAKERthat they filled in retroactively.

22:44SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like a classic tech rec con.

22:46SPEAKER- Yes.

22:48SPEAKER- 'Cause remember LG doesn't stand for lucky gold star,

22:51SPEAKERthe name of the original company.

22:53SPEAKERIt stands for life's good.

22:54SPEAKER- No, that's what their marketing would have you believe.

22:56SPEAKERYes. - Yeah.

22:57SPEAKER- Yes.

22:58SPEAKERWhat is the, what's the term for that?

22:58SPEAKERA retronym?

22:59SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.

23:01SPEAKER- Or something along those lines.

23:02SPEAKER- Well, I think retronym is technically-

23:04SPEAKER- It's the other way around.

23:05SPEAKER- When you have a name for something

23:06SPEAKERand then you build a acronym that makes the name work.

23:09SPEAKER- Yeah, the retronym is something

23:10SPEAKERI think you name retroactively, right?

23:12SPEAKERLike it didn't have a name.

23:13SPEAKERThis is, this is different.

23:14SPEAKERThis is the opposite where-

23:16SPEAKER- No, no, no.

23:16SPEAKERI thought a retronym was, was like, like if you,

23:18SPEAKERif you name your things stars, like your,

23:21SPEAKERyour spaceship stars, and then you have to come back in

23:23SPEAKERand come up with the acronym that makes it-

23:25SPEAKER- It doesn't, it doesn't have to be an acronym.

23:27SPEAKERIt could just be any, any term.

23:29SPEAKER- Oh, there you go.

23:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:31SPEAKERDo you have a mispronunciation

23:33SPEAKERor would you like to just move on?

23:34SPEAKER- I think, I think everybody probably knows

23:36SPEAKERif they've been listening for a while

23:37SPEAKERand they're familiar with mine.

23:38SPEAKER- Oh, right, okay.

23:39SPEAKERIt took me a second to remember what you were talking about.

23:41SPEAKER- I, I had somebody who I used to work with at Maximum PC

23:45SPEAKERwho was like, who, who was sent that clip

23:48SPEAKERwhen they pronounced execute, executable that way.

23:52SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

23:53SPEAKER- And he was like, first off, he was like,

23:56SPEAKERwait, that's Will, isn't it?

23:58SPEAKERHe was like, but that's how I say executable.

24:00SPEAKERAnd then he was like, so he started to argue.

24:03SPEAKERIt's like, look, this is how I say,

24:05SPEAKERthis is how we said it at Maximum PC.

24:07SPEAKERAnd then, then they were like, hey,

24:12SPEAKERthe person that you learned how to say this from

24:14SPEAKERat Maximum PC is the reason, is, is the one in this clip.

24:17SPEAKERAnd there was a whole, anyway,

24:18SPEAKERit was an awkward conversation.

24:19SPEAKER- And I heard you just now,

24:20SPEAKERyou had to take it pretty slow when you said execute.

24:23SPEAKERIs it still?

24:24SPEAKER- It's an approved, it's an approved pronunciation

24:27SPEAKERaccording to several dictionaries.

24:28SPEAKER- Is it really?

24:29SPEAKER- Most of the editable ones, yeah.

24:30SPEAKER- You're just gonna appeal to authority, huh?

24:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I am absolutely gonna appeal to authority.

24:35SPEAKERLook, if we can't agree on dictionaries,

24:38SPEAKERwhat can we agree on?

24:40SPEAKER- I am generally with you.

24:41SPEAKERI am going to reveal a deep dark secret here.

24:44SPEAKER- Yes.

24:44SPEAKER- Back in the nineties, when I was first really

24:46SPEAKERgetting my head around computers and DOS and so forth.

24:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:50SPEAKER- When I saw .exe on file,

24:52SPEAKERI generally pronounced it exec in my head.

24:55SPEAKER- Yeah, right.

24:56SPEAKER- So I'm kind of-

24:58SPEAKER- You're halfway there.

24:59SPEAKER- I almost went down your dark path

25:01SPEAKERand then somehow I managed to pull myself back

25:03SPEAKERfrom the brink.

25:04SPEAKER- I'm reasonably sure I got it from my grandmother who-

25:08SPEAKER- She would know, I guess,

25:09SPEAKER'cause she was there before any of us.

25:10SPEAKER- She was punching cards in the sixties, yeah.

25:12SPEAKER- Yes, actually maybe there is some authority there.

25:17SPEAKEROkay, how about this question from Oscar?

25:21SPEAKERWhat are your opinions in regards to the Fermi paradox?

25:25SPEAKERPersonally, I think people vastly overestimate

25:28SPEAKERthe probability of intelligent life.

25:29SPEAKERI think it's just us out here, at least in the Milky Way.

25:32SPEAKER- Man, that's grim.

25:33SPEAKER- Fermi paradox, for people who don't know,

25:35SPEAKERis the kind of apparent contradiction between

25:39SPEAKERwhat looks like the amount of evidence or probability

25:41SPEAKERfor there being life in the universe

25:43SPEAKERand our lack of observation of it.

25:45SPEAKERDoes that make sense?

25:46SPEAKERDid I explain that properly?

25:48SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the lack of clear obvious evidence

25:51SPEAKERfor extraterrestrial life and the various high estimates

25:53SPEAKERfor the existence of extraterrestrial life.

25:56SPEAKER- You look at the number of planets,

25:57SPEAKERlike the chemical composition of the universe

26:00SPEAKERand the theories for how life came about

26:03SPEAKERand the sheer scale of the universe

26:06SPEAKERand you think we should have seen something by now, right?

26:09SPEAKERBut that's the idea.

26:10SPEAKER- Well, arguably though, it's funny,

26:15SPEAKERdepending on how existentially crises I'm feeling

26:19SPEAKERon the day-to-day, my answer to this probably changes.

26:24SPEAKERLike, you think about the scale of human civilization

26:28SPEAKERat which we would be able to detect

26:30SPEAKERanother alien civilization, which has been, you know,

26:34SPEAKERa few hundred years maybe, a thousand years on the outside.

26:37SPEAKER- Yeah, if that, I would say.

26:39SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe, depending on whether you're talking

26:41SPEAKERabout radio or light or whatever and the scale.

26:46SPEAKER- Even optically, it's only a few hundred years, right?

26:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, and it depends on the scale of the thing too.

26:53SPEAKERI don't know that we're in a position

26:56SPEAKERto have real insight into this problem yet,

26:59SPEAKERbecause like, we're not gonna see,

27:03SPEAKERyou know, the question is,

27:05SPEAKERdo the other civilizations all wipe themselves out

27:07SPEAKERwhen they reach a certain technological level?

27:09SPEAKERAre they not reaching technological levels

27:11SPEAKER'cause they're like weird hive minds

27:13SPEAKERand they don't give a shit about reaching out into the world

27:15SPEAKERand they just grow inward forever?

27:16SPEAKERLike, there's a bazillion different ways this could go.

27:19SPEAKERI think that there's absolutely other life in the universe.

27:22SPEAKERI don't know whether it's intelligent.

27:23SPEAKERI think probably, I would like to think that there is.

27:25SPEAKERI'd like to think that we're not in a dark forest.

27:27SPEAKER- Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at,

27:29SPEAKERis that it seems basically impossible

27:31SPEAKERthat some kind of life doesn't exist elsewhere, given the,

27:34SPEAKERI mean, like the observable universe keeps getting bigger.

27:36SPEAKERLike, do you remember when, gosh, what was it?

27:39SPEAKERLike, I think the estimate of the number of galaxies

27:42SPEAKERwas like a hundred billion at one point,

27:43SPEAKERand then it ballooned to like two trillion

27:45SPEAKERin the course of a few years.

27:46SPEAKERLike, they just, they keep coming up

27:47SPEAKERwith better observational methods

27:49SPEAKERand realizing there is more and more out there.

27:51SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it's the Hubble.

27:53SPEAKERIt's the thing that happened when they shined the Hubble.

27:55SPEAKERThey pointed the Hubble at a dark spot of sky

27:57SPEAKERfor three months or something,

27:58SPEAKERa long time ago to the Deep Field Survey.

28:00SPEAKERAnd instead of seeing nothing there,

28:03SPEAKERthey just saw a bazillion galaxies.

28:05SPEAKERNow, the problem with those distant galaxies

28:08SPEAKERis that they're so far away that, like, we're seeing,

28:12SPEAKERyou know, back in time,

28:14SPEAKER20 billion years or something ridiculous

28:16SPEAKERbecause of the way the expansion of the universe works.

28:17SPEAKERAnd anyway, it's-

28:19SPEAKER- 13.

28:20SPEAKER- 13, yeah, sorry, it was a lot, I know.

28:23SPEAKERSo I mean, I don't know.

28:25SPEAKERI hope that there's other stuff.

28:26SPEAKERI hope there's other people out there.

28:28SPEAKERI mean, there's more audience for the podcast, right?

28:30SPEAKER- I guess that's the case.

28:32SPEAKERI tend to think, given the scale,

28:35SPEAKERthe sheer physical scale of the universe

28:37SPEAKERand the timescales that we're talking about,

28:38SPEAKERthat the likelihood of,

28:40SPEAKERif there even is other intelligent life,

28:41SPEAKERthe likelihood of two civilizations

28:43SPEAKERbeing in the same place at the same time,

28:45SPEAKERespecially given, you know, limits on, you know,

28:47SPEAKERthe speed of light and stuff like that,

28:49SPEAKERare essentially nil.

28:50SPEAKERLike, what are the chances that two civilizations

28:52SPEAKERwould evolve roughly in parallel close enough together

28:56SPEAKERthat they actually are ever going to encounter

28:58SPEAKERany evidence of each other?

28:59SPEAKERLike, practically nothing.

29:01SPEAKER- If you want the ultimate grim take on this,

29:03SPEAKERyou should read the "Three Body Problem" books

29:05SPEAKERbecause they're, they...

29:09SPEAKERSishen Lu approaches this problem

29:12SPEAKERwith a shocking grim fortitude

29:17SPEAKERthat's very good and very fun to read.

29:19SPEAKER- I, that book is perpetually checked out at the library,

29:22SPEAKERbut I need to get on the list.

29:23SPEAKERI've wanted to read that for a while.

29:25SPEAKER- You should get on the list for that book.

29:26SPEAKERIt is exceptional.

29:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:31SPEAKERThere's also the other possibility to consider

29:33SPEAKERis that we are the first, that there will be,

29:35SPEAKERI mean, we are very early

29:36SPEAKERin the predicted lifespan of our universe.

29:39SPEAKER- The math on that's pretty rough, though,

29:42SPEAKER'cause we're very early,

29:43SPEAKERbut our timeline is 50,000 years for civilization

29:48SPEAKERand for, you know, two billion for life.

29:52SPEAKERSo in a 17-billion-year-old universe,

29:55SPEAKERpresumably something else should have happened.

29:56SPEAKER- 13 points.

29:57SPEAKER- Oh, they changed the date again.

29:58SPEAKEROkay, my bad.

29:59SPEAKER- It's been 13 for a while, but...

30:00SPEAKER- Well, no, no, but so the point is,

30:02SPEAKERwith the expansion of the universe,

30:03SPEAKERwe can see further back than we can see,

30:06SPEAKERanyway, it doesn't matter.

30:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:09SPEAKER- But, you know, it's, we're,

30:11SPEAKERthe predicted lifespan of the universe

30:12SPEAKERis, like, hundreds of billions to trillions of years,

30:14SPEAKERand we're only 13 in, so the point is, like,

30:17SPEAKERthere could be plenty of thriving,

30:20SPEAKERinteracting, intelligent civilizations

30:23SPEAKER50 billion years from now, but we'll be long gone.

30:25SPEAKER- You don't wanna be around

30:26SPEAKERfor the back half of the universe.

30:28SPEAKERIt's gonna be a real bummer, man.

30:29SPEAKERAll the brown dwarfs everywhere.

30:32SPEAKER- Stars winking out.

30:33SPEAKER- Right, the, I mean, like, I played Outer Wilds.

30:36SPEAKERYou don't wanna be there for that.

30:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:39SPEAKER- The thing I will, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

30:43SPEAKERI thought I had something pithy,

30:45SPEAKERbut I'm not gonna, this is too grim a topic.

30:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I think you're right.

30:50SPEAKERWell, here, let's ground this podcast a little bit now

30:55SPEAKERwith a question from Cakebatter.

30:57SPEAKER- Oh.

30:58SPEAKER- Just how big does a hole in a sock need to be

30:59SPEAKERbefore you consider throwing it out?

31:02SPEAKER- The maximum darning size for me is about a dime.

31:05SPEAKER- Darning?

31:06SPEAKER- It's when you mend a sock.

31:08SPEAKER- Oh, wait, specifically a sock?

31:10SPEAKERIt can't be, like, you can't darn a shirt.

31:12SPEAKER- You can darn knit things, I think.

31:16SPEAKERSo I don't, I find if you do something

31:18SPEAKERthat's much bigger than a dime,

31:19SPEAKERthen it doesn't, like, the sock doesn't feel right

31:22SPEAKERat that point.

31:23SPEAKER- I see.

31:24SPEAKERI would say any hole is too big a hole in a sock.

31:27SPEAKERLike, if it's threadbare, fine.

31:30SPEAKERAs soon as there is flesh exposed, that sock has gotta go.

31:34SPEAKER- I have a couple of big wooly socks,

31:38SPEAKERlike my winter hiking socks, that are really thick,

31:41SPEAKERthat are essentially just slippers at this point

31:43SPEAKERthat I'll keep, but I also only wear them

31:46SPEAKERwhen I'm wearing, like, slippers around the house

31:48SPEAKERat this point.

31:49SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, those are fine.

31:50SPEAKERLike, that's got a hole, whatever, but.

31:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:52SPEAKER- If you're out putting any stress on your feet,

31:53SPEAKERtake care of your socks.

31:55SPEAKER- I switched-- - And your feet.

31:56SPEAKER- I switched to no-show socks recently

31:58SPEAKERfrom, like, ankle height socks.

32:00SPEAKER- I just did two, and it was out of repeated shaming.

32:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I got, somebody was like,

32:05SPEAKERone of the other parents at school pick up one day

32:08SPEAKERwas like, "Hey, nice socks, bro."

32:09SPEAKER- Oh, no.

32:10SPEAKER- Yeah, somebody from outside? - Where's all my fans?

32:12SPEAKER- Wow, I can't believe-- - I didn't wanna be stinky.

32:15SPEAKER- I can't believe the audacity of, like, your wife, sure.

32:17SPEAKERLike, somebody you live with, I get it.

32:19SPEAKERLike, they are probably, it's probably okay

32:20SPEAKERfor them to mock your socks.

32:21SPEAKER- I mean, we're friends, we hang out.

32:23SPEAKERIt's like, it was, I felt like the social encounter there

32:27SPEAKERwas entirely appropriate, but I also would never notice

32:30SPEAKERanother person's socks, I don't guess, so.

32:32SPEAKER- I have, I, too, have, I got enough grief at home.

32:36SPEAKERIt's not like I was wearing, like, knee-high socks

32:38SPEAKERor something, but they were really--

32:39SPEAKER- I think that would've been okay, probably.

32:41SPEAKER- Around the ankle, like, athletic socks,

32:43SPEAKERand they were white, that was the other problem.

32:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:45SPEAKER- Is the white socks, when they're more than, yeah.

32:48SPEAKERBut look, they don't fly, so I guess I, too,

32:51SPEAKERhave been recently shamed into buying some black no-shows.

32:55SPEAKER- I was a big fan of the get a giant bag of socks

32:58SPEAKERfrom Target or Costco, the ankle-high ones.

33:01SPEAKERThe no-shows are more expensive,

33:03SPEAKERthey're less comfortable in every way.

33:06SPEAKERThey, when I'm walking, often they annoy me by sliding down.

33:12SPEAKERBut I look cool, so I guess mission accomplished.

33:15SPEAKER- The things we do for social approval.

33:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:17SPEAKER- The sacrifices.

33:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:19SPEAKER- Question from McOsherBaconJam.

33:23SPEAKERWhat's the longest either of you feel comfortable

33:26SPEAKERbeing disconnected from the internet?

33:28SPEAKERI'm on a small road trip, I've gone multiple days

33:31SPEAKERwithout internet while traveling.

33:33SPEAKERWhen you're off-grid for five days,

33:35SPEAKERand then it starts to trickle in,

33:36SPEAKERand your phone goes bananas updating notifications,

33:38SPEAKERit's kind of like a good drug effect feeling.

33:43SPEAKER- Okay, so first off, KBJ is on a long,

33:46SPEAKERhas driven like 4,000 miles,

33:48SPEAKERhas gone from the West Coast to the East Coast,

33:50SPEAKERup to the Yukon, and is like on a,

33:53SPEAKERI would describe it as a fairly epic road trip

33:55SPEAKERat this point.

33:56SPEAKER- That's serious, yeah.

33:58SPEAKER- Has had vehicle difficulties, and it's a good road trip.

34:02SPEAKERI would say, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes probably for me.

34:08SPEAKER- Wow, that's grim, that's dark.

34:12SPEAKER- So when we were in, we did a little bit of traveling,

34:14SPEAKERwent to places where internet was sparse this year,

34:17SPEAKERand that was fine, we were gone for a week

34:19SPEAKERwith kind of bad internet,

34:20SPEAKERand I was excited about that actually, so.

34:23SPEAKER- I feel like the actual thought experiment here

34:25SPEAKERis to add the qualifier that your job

34:28SPEAKERno longer depends on the internet.

34:30SPEAKERLike let's say that professionally

34:31SPEAKERyou have no use for the internet anymore,

34:33SPEAKERlike that time gets dramatically longer for me in that case.

34:37SPEAKER- Yeah, but even like when I'm camping,

34:39SPEAKERit's not like when I got back to,

34:44SPEAKERyou know, got back to, what do you call it, civilization.

34:48SPEAKERI was, like I suddenly had the Jones.

34:53SPEAKERI feel like when the fires happened

34:54SPEAKERand we lost power for five days a few years ago,

34:57SPEAKERthat was maybe the indicator, but also at that point

35:00SPEAKERI really wanted to know the internet,

35:01SPEAKERto know where the fires were around me.

35:04SPEAKERSo maybe that's a different,

35:05SPEAKERmaybe there might be an asterisk on that one.

35:08SPEAKER- Sure.

35:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, I feel like I'm probably fine

35:12SPEAKERat this point.

35:13SPEAKERI'm much less engaged with the internet

35:15SPEAKERon the moment to moment now than I was say 10 years ago.

35:17SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure, I think the older I get,

35:20SPEAKERI think the less internet I want in my life,

35:22SPEAKERbut we have elashed ourself to this horrible beast.

35:25SPEAKERSo here we are.

35:28SPEAKERQuestion from Ryan Sargent.

35:31SPEAKERBrad, what's the status of the sardine hoard?

35:33SPEAKER- Well, Brad, what's the status of the sardine hoard?

35:35SPEAKER- They're so spread out around the house

35:37SPEAKERthat I can't tell you.

35:38SPEAKERLike there were so damn many of them

35:40SPEAKERthat they, have you ever bought so much of a thing

35:42SPEAKERthat you just have to shove it

35:43SPEAKERin every available cranny and nook?

35:45SPEAKER- I mean, this is one of the things

35:47SPEAKERthat when I talked to my sister in Tennessee

35:49SPEAKERwhere she has like a big basement,

35:50SPEAKERwhere she stores, she goes to Sam's or Costco, whatever,

35:54SPEAKERand hoards, buys, she's like,

35:57SPEAKER"I just buy paper towels twice a year, right?

35:59SPEAKER"I'm good."

36:01SPEAKERAnd I'm like, "I don't have a place to store.

36:03SPEAKER"If I bought a paper towels, enough paper towels

36:05SPEAKER"to let toilet paper, it'll last me a year.

36:07SPEAKER"It would take up a significant portion

36:08SPEAKER"of my storage space."

36:10SPEAKERSo do you just have like, can you guys just open a drawer

36:14SPEAKERand pop out some sardines anytime you want?

36:15SPEAKERIs that the kind of situation you're in?

36:17SPEAKER- Basically, yes.

36:18SPEAKERThey came in like shrink wrapped packs of six.

36:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:21SPEAKER- So there were a bunch of little six high stacks

36:22SPEAKERof cans all over the place.

36:24SPEAKERLike they're in cupboards, they're in drawers,

36:25SPEAKERthey're under shelves.

36:27SPEAKERI would guess, we bought 66 of them.

36:31SPEAKERThat was February, I want to say.

36:34SPEAKERWell, I would guess we're maybe halfway through now.

36:36SPEAKER- What I love about this is that your experience here

36:40SPEAKERis basically creating a Bethesda environmental storytelling

36:44SPEAKERscene in an RPG.

36:45SPEAKERIt's like, here's an apartment building.

36:47SPEAKERLet's see if there's any good loot in this place.

36:49SPEAKERAnd you come through and it's like,

36:50SPEAKERoh, this one just has a bunch of old socks

36:51SPEAKERwith holes in it.

36:52SPEAKERHoly shit, these are the sardine people.

36:54SPEAKER- Whoever is scavenging for food in the future

36:59SPEAKERpost San Francisco wasteland is going to be very excited

37:01SPEAKERwhen they get to our house.

37:04SPEAKERWe and by we, I mean, I've went really hard on sardines

37:08SPEAKERfor the first like month or two.

37:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:11SPEAKER- Because it was such a luxury of like, oh man,

37:12SPEAKERwe usually try to ration these.

37:13SPEAKERI'm just going to like, I'm going to have one every night.

37:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:17SPEAKER- At this point, I'd say we're down

37:18SPEAKERto like a couple of months probably.

37:20SPEAKERWe, I was eating them as like kind of hors d'oeuvres,

37:22SPEAKERyou know, like on crackers with horseradish or hot sauce.

37:25SPEAKER- What kind of cracker you use for that?

37:26SPEAKER- Usually a Triscuit is my default.

37:28SPEAKER- Okay, I like a Triscuit.

37:30SPEAKER- Most situations where a cracker is required is a Triscuit.

37:33SPEAKER- I like those water crackers,

37:35SPEAKERthe fancy ones you put like soft cheese on.

37:37SPEAKER- Yes, my partner is a big fan of that.

37:39SPEAKERYou can get like nice variety packs of those.

37:42SPEAKERSee, I ate a bunch of hors d'oeuvres of the sardines

37:44SPEAKERfor the first few weeks.

37:44SPEAKERAnd then we started trying to cook with them a little bit.

37:47SPEAKERSomebody on the Discord linked, or no, it was on Twitter.

37:49SPEAKERSomebody linked a really nice blog

37:51SPEAKERfor cooking with tinned fish.

37:53SPEAKER- Ooh.

37:54SPEAKER- So we tried a couple of recipes with sardines,

37:56SPEAKERwhich were kind of nice,

37:57SPEAKERbut at this point they're just kind of a fact of life.

37:59SPEAKERThey're just, the novelty wore off.

38:01SPEAKERWe, they're just there and we eat one every so often.

38:03SPEAKER- There was a period of time where like,

38:05SPEAKERif like a Italian recipe, when I was making sauce,

38:08SPEAKERneeded oil, I would just use a little anchovy tin oil

38:12SPEAKERwith a couple of anchovies in there.

38:13SPEAKER'Cause the anchovies, when you cook them,

38:15SPEAKERjust kind of dissolve in the oil.

38:16SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

38:17SPEAKER- And they make it taste real good.

38:18SPEAKER- Wow.

38:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:20SPEAKER- That's sound pretty good.

38:21SPEAKER- I gotta say, we, this is apropos of absolutely nothing,

38:25SPEAKERbut we've been, I've been working

38:26SPEAKERon Detroit-style pizza lately at home.

38:29SPEAKER- Oh.

38:30SPEAKER- Like the big square pieces with the kind of fried crust.

38:34SPEAKERIt's like, it's like, if you think about like

38:36SPEAKERyour chain pizza, it's like a Pizza Hut Supreme

38:40SPEAKERon the bottom where it's like that fried crusty,

38:42SPEAKERfocaccia-like crust almost.

38:44SPEAKER- Okay, I've never had it and I was wondering,

38:46SPEAKER'cause I'm, I've seen pictures and I was wondering

38:47SPEAKERwhat separated it from deep dish.

38:49SPEAKERThe other thing I'll say is that it reminds me

38:51SPEAKERof Little Caesars, like the big classic rectangular pizza.

38:53SPEAKER- So it is like the Little Caesars in shape,

38:55SPEAKERbut the crust is completely different.

38:57SPEAKERSo the upshot is you get a really crunchy crust

38:59SPEAKERand the cheese goes edge to edge

39:01SPEAKERand it kind of melts down the side a little bit.

39:02SPEAKERSo it's all like gooey and like it makes a, it's real good.

39:06SPEAKER- That looks real good.

39:07SPEAKER- It's also pretty easy to make at home.

39:09SPEAKERI, we did this here.

39:10SPEAKERI've been doing the Serious Eats recipe,

39:12SPEAKERbut I'm still working on getting the crust

39:14SPEAKERas crisp as I want, so if people have crust crispening tips,

39:19SPEAKERI would love to hear them.

39:21SPEAKER- Crust crispening, crispy crust.

39:25SPEAKEROkay, how about, did you,

39:27SPEAKERyou seemed excited about this barbecue question.

39:30SPEAKER- I like a barbecue question.

39:31SPEAKERI'll always do a barbecue question.

39:32SPEAKER- I feel like it's contentious to wade into barbecue topics,

39:35SPEAKERbut oh.

39:36SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's a podcast.

39:37SPEAKERWe don't want to be contentious for sure.

39:39SPEAKER- Brave and Bark.

39:40SPEAKERI just don't have a lot of strong, I like food.

39:42SPEAKERThere's really, I can't think of a type of barbecue

39:45SPEAKERyou could put in front of me

39:46SPEAKERthat I would not be eager to eat, honestly.

39:49SPEAKER- Fair.

39:50SPEAKERI mean, but you also grew up in North Carolina

39:52SPEAKEReating that yellow sauce garbage.

39:54SPEAKER- Did I?

39:55SPEAKERSee, this is embarrassing to admit.

39:57SPEAKERLike I don't have a good grasp on the regional barbecue,

40:00SPEAKERthe competitive stuff in that area,

40:02SPEAKERlike the mustard versus the vinegar.

40:04SPEAKERI know like sweet barbecue is Texas mostly, right?

40:08SPEAKER- So Texas does the, a lot of dry rubs usually

40:11SPEAKERthat the people in our part of the country

40:13SPEAKERare less known for.

40:15SPEAKERYou live in a liminal area between the mustard zone

40:17SPEAKERand the red smoky sauce.

40:20SPEAKER- And the vinegar also.

40:22SPEAKERLike I think that's probably why

40:23SPEAKERis that I encountered lots of different types of barbecue

40:25SPEAKERand I was never clear that there were like one style

40:28SPEAKERthat was necessary.

40:29SPEAKER- Yeah, you grew up in the neutral zone.

40:30SPEAKERYou're a child of both worlds.

40:32SPEAKER- Oh man, it was great.

40:33SPEAKERLet me tell you.

40:34SPEAKER- I'm gonna say the first time I went to a barbecue place

40:35SPEAKERin North Carolina as a kid and I was like,

40:37SPEAKERyeah, I want barbecue.

40:38SPEAKERMy dad was like, are you sure?

40:39SPEAKERHe's like, yeah, I'll try barbecue, I love barbecue.

40:41SPEAKERThis is great.

40:42SPEAKERAnd it came out and it was yellow.

40:43SPEAKERI was like, what the hell have you done people?

40:45SPEAKERAnd then I had, it was delish.

40:47SPEAKERLike there was nothing wrong with a mustardy barbecue.

40:49SPEAKER- We were recording this podcast before breakfast

40:51SPEAKERand it was a mistake.

40:52SPEAKER- Oh, I had a bar.

40:53SPEAKERI always eat a bar before the podcast.

40:55SPEAKER- All these food questions are killing me.

40:58SPEAKERBrave and Bark asks, for barbecue,

41:00SPEAKERdo you guys prefer a dry rub or wet sauce?

41:04SPEAKERWhat kind and flavor do you prefer?

41:05SPEAKERWhat is your go-to cut of meat?

41:08SPEAKER- Okay, so first off, why choose?

41:11SPEAKERYou do a dry rub, then you do the wet sauce afterwards.

41:13SPEAKER- Can you, hang on, doesn't that?

41:15SPEAKER- Hello, yes.

41:16SPEAKER- Doesn't that nullify the,

41:18SPEAKERdoesn't the wet sauce nullify the dry rub?

41:20SPEAKERLike the dry rub is no longer dry

41:21SPEAKERonce you put wet sauce on it.

41:23SPEAKER- The dry rub gets sucked into the meat while it's cooking.

41:25SPEAKERThat's the point of the dry rub.

41:27SPEAKER- I know it's for seasoning, but like,

41:28SPEAKERbut you know, if you only use one or the other,

41:30SPEAKERit does very much change like the kind of texture

41:32SPEAKERand experience, right?

41:32SPEAKER- Well, it also depends on what you're making.

41:34SPEAKERLike if I'm doing ribs, I'm a dry rub on the ribs guy.

41:36SPEAKERAnd like, I'll give people, like I'll serve,

41:39SPEAKERI'll serve a sauce on the side

41:40SPEAKERthat people can do a dunker in if they want,

41:42SPEAKERbut for the most, or spread on top, whatever,

41:44SPEAKERfor the most part, I want a rib

41:46SPEAKERthat's got a lot of flavor and a nice crust, right?

41:50SPEAKER- I think that's probably my answer.

41:52SPEAKERI was gonna say like I dry rub or wet sauce,

41:54SPEAKERI'll take either like flavor, I'll take anything.

41:56SPEAKERI'll certainly eat anything.

41:58SPEAKERI think ribs are probably like the kind of apex

42:01SPEAKERof barbecue to me though.

42:02SPEAKER- So, okay, I've eaten a fair amount of barbecue

42:05SPEAKERas in my travels and I eat different stuff

42:09SPEAKERin different places.

42:10SPEAKERSo the thing, the number one rule of eating barbecue for me

42:14SPEAKERis that you eat whatever the house specialty is

42:16SPEAKERwherever you are.

42:17SPEAKERSo like if you're in, like in Knoxville,

42:19SPEAKERthere was this place called Sarge's for a long time

42:22SPEAKERthat was just like pulled, just straight pulled pork,

42:25SPEAKERlike a pork butter, pork shoulder.

42:27SPEAKERAnd he did it, he cooked that in a 55 gallon drum

42:31SPEAKERthat they'd cut open and made a smoker out of, right?

42:33SPEAKERLike it was, and he had all the other stuff

42:35SPEAKERthat you get at barbecue places,

42:37SPEAKERbut the thing you got was the pulled pork there.

42:40SPEAKERIn Texas, I usually go for brisket

42:41SPEAKER'cause it turns out Texas is pretty good at brisket

42:44SPEAKERand a lot of other places are bad at brisket.

42:46SPEAKERYou get tough brisket.

42:47SPEAKER- That was my experience in Texas as well, for sure.

42:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the North Carolina, the pulled pork mustard stuff,

42:53SPEAKERthe coastal North Carolina,

42:54SPEAKERthe pulled pork mustard vinegar barbecue,

42:56SPEAKERlike just to be clear,

42:59SPEAKERalmost all barbecue has vinegar and mustard in it, right?

43:01SPEAKERIt's just, they usually put ketchup or something in there

43:04SPEAKERto make it red, and in North Carolina, they don't

43:06SPEAKER'cause I guess there was some sort of great ketchup shortage

43:08SPEAKERat some point in the past.

43:10SPEAKERThat stuff's pretty good.

43:11SPEAKERI'm okay with that.

43:14SPEAKERMy favorite is a sweet red sauce

43:19SPEAKER'cause that's what I grew up eating.

43:20SPEAKERYeah, there's this place called Ridgewood

43:23SPEAKERin between Bristol and Johnson City.

43:25SPEAKERAnd they do, I think they do pork butts, I can't remember,

43:30SPEAKERsmoked in hickory with a little bit of a dry rub,

43:32SPEAKERbut not a lot, mostly just smoke.

43:34SPEAKERAnd then they slice that thin

43:36SPEAKERand they cook the meat again in the sauce on a pan.

43:41SPEAKERAnd you put that on a big, big, huge hamburger bun

43:44SPEAKERwith some coleslaw.

43:45SPEAKEROh, it's so good.

43:47SPEAKER- I don't know how much more of this I can listen to.

43:49SPEAKER(laughing)

43:50SPEAKERBe perfectly honest.

43:52SPEAKER- Good news, I have a hamburger question for you then.

43:55SPEAKER- I was literally about to say,

43:56SPEAKERhey, we have, I have bolded a, okay.

44:00SPEAKERAge of the six, I'm gonna read both of these.

44:03SPEAKEROccasionally, okay, so we have the Q&A question

44:07SPEAKERor the question and answer channel rigged up

44:08SPEAKERso that the intention is you type a question

44:11SPEAKERand it immediately disappears.

44:13SPEAKER- Goes into the void.

44:14SPEAKER- Like it's like a Dropbox.

44:15SPEAKERIt's like you're dropping an anonymous question

44:17SPEAKERinto a Dropbox and nobody can read it, right?

44:19SPEAKERBut because of the peculiarities of Discord,

44:22SPEAKERlike if somebody, I believe the case is

44:24SPEAKERthat if somebody else is in that channel at the same time,

44:27SPEAKERyou type that question in, they will see it.

44:28SPEAKER- You'll see it until you close that channel and come back

44:30SPEAKERand then you won't be able to see the message history anymore.

44:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes, if you leave the channel and come back,

44:34SPEAKERthey're gone, but occasionally somebody will just happen

44:36SPEAKERto be in there and see a question and respond to it.

44:40SPEAKER- They're good interactions when that happens usually.

44:42SPEAKER- They are pretty funny, but yeah,

44:43SPEAKERbecause they're not like generally are not seen

44:46SPEAKERby many people.

44:47SPEAKERAlso, if you were to tell me that Warbird lurks

44:50SPEAKERin that channel and waits for questions so he can try.

44:53SPEAKER- I have no doubt that that is the case.

44:55SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely, anyway, case in point, gauge 006.

44:59SPEAKERWhy are they called hamburgers

45:00SPEAKERwhen they're generally not made with ham or even pork?

45:02SPEAKERWhat's a better name for the mighty burger?

45:04SPEAKER- Steamed ham.

45:05SPEAKER- Immediate response from Warbird.

45:08SPEAKERThey're only hamburgers

45:08SPEAKERif they're from the Hamburg region of Germany,

45:10SPEAKERotherwise they're just sparkling patties.

45:13SPEAKER- Perfect, I can't answer that one better.

45:15SPEAKER- Yeah, that's all I got for that.

45:18SPEAKER- We've been doing Smashburgers lately a lot.

45:21SPEAKERWhat is, I mean, is it literally just what it sounds like?

45:23SPEAKERThat was my assumption.

45:24SPEAKERYou know, you just literally like, is it,

45:25SPEAKERwhy are you smashing it?

45:26SPEAKER- So you take a ball of salted meat,

45:28SPEAKERput it on a hot cast iron or griddle

45:30SPEAKERand smash it flat with the spatula or with a,

45:34SPEAKERlike you can get a special thing for it,

45:36SPEAKERbut just using a spatula works.

45:39SPEAKERAnd you only cook one side basically.

45:40SPEAKERSo you smash it thin enough that you cook the bottom

45:43SPEAKERuntil it's crisp and then the top,

45:44SPEAKERand when it's done, you slap a piece of cheese on there.

45:47SPEAKERAnd usually you layer a couple of them.

45:48SPEAKERSo there's a real nice textural thing that happens.

45:51SPEAKER- Is there an advantage there or is it,

45:53SPEAKERare you getting some different cooking effects somehow?

45:56SPEAKER- Well, so the bottom gets a strong Maillard reaction

45:59SPEAKERwhen the, so it is like,

46:01SPEAKERlike it is crunchy on the bottom when you,

46:04SPEAKERwhen the griddle's the right temperature,

46:07SPEAKERwhich is the, which is the strength, right?

46:09SPEAKERIt's not like it's, it just, it just gives you,

46:11SPEAKERit gives you the same kind of textural differences you get

46:13SPEAKERfrom putting a burger on a really hot grill

46:16SPEAKERand searing the outside and having a medium rare inside,

46:18SPEAKERbut without having to have a medium rare inside.

46:20SPEAKER- So it's literally, it's just a textural thing.

46:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just another way to make burgers.

46:24SPEAKERAnd you don't need a grill to do it, which is nice.

46:26SPEAKER- God help us.

46:27SPEAKERIs that all the food questions?

46:28SPEAKER- I didn't see any more.

46:30SPEAKER- It has to be, right?

46:31SPEAKEROkay.

46:32SPEAKEROh, God.

46:35SPEAKERQuestion from SimplyBagel,

46:36SPEAKERwhose username is in itself a food reference.

46:39SPEAKER- Thanks, Bagel.

46:40SPEAKER- Adding a third challenger

46:41SPEAKERto your waffle and pancake debate, French toast.

46:45SPEAKER- Last weekend I had French toast

46:46SPEAKERand I had waffles and pancakes.

46:49SPEAKERPretty good weekend, I'm gonna say.

46:51SPEAKER- Wait, what, wow, what?

46:52SPEAKERDid you eat anything else the entire weekend?

46:55SPEAKER- Look, I did a lot of brunching.

46:56SPEAKERIt was Father's Day, it was our anniversary.

46:58SPEAKER- Fair, fair, okay.

47:01SPEAKER- I'll eat a French toast.

47:03SPEAKERYou gotta have the right bread for French toast though.

47:05SPEAKER- Yes, I think of the three good French toast

47:08SPEAKERis like a mile ahead of the others.

47:10SPEAKERLike not even a comparison, but at the same time,

47:13SPEAKERI feel like you should only eat French toast

47:15SPEAKERabout once a year.

47:16SPEAKER- Well, okay, so if you do French toast the right way

47:19SPEAKERwhere it's not like completely sopped through with eggs,

47:22SPEAKERit's not that bad for you.

47:23SPEAKERBut like, so there's,

47:25SPEAKERand there's multiple kinds of French toast too.

47:27SPEAKERLike, do you get like a hard crusty bread,

47:29SPEAKERlike a hearty, wheaty bread with some seeds and stuff in it

47:33SPEAKERand make a real heavy French toast

47:35SPEAKERor do you get like a yeast risen,

47:36SPEAKERlike a brioche or a chala or something like that?

47:39SPEAKER- I mean, when I was a kid, we just used the cheapest

47:42SPEAKERlike white sandwich bread that we had.

47:44SPEAKER- Yeah, and it was probably like on the cusp of falling apart

47:48SPEAKERwhen you put it in the pan because it was so soaked through

47:50SPEAKERis how we made it when I was a kid.

47:53SPEAKERBut man, I don't know, I like a French toast.

47:56SPEAKERI like French toast with some berries, a little syrup,

47:58SPEAKERmaybe some powdered sugar.

47:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the texture for me.

48:01SPEAKERIf you really get it right, you know,

48:03SPEAKERnice, crispy outside, chewy, kind of soft inside.

48:07SPEAKERWe'd have to, I have to.

48:09SPEAKER- What are you doing for breakfast this morning, Brad?

48:11SPEAKER- Coffee, it turns out.

48:12SPEAKER- Same thing you have every day.

48:13SPEAKER- Can we do this cake batter question?

48:16SPEAKER- Is it the one that's bolded?

48:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:18SPEAKER- Really gone from one end of the process to the other.

48:22SPEAKERIt's not the one about the Gandalf impression, right?

48:23SPEAKER- No, it's not the one about the Gandalf impression.

48:25SPEAKER- I did think about using my morning froggy throat voice

48:28SPEAKERto try to, I can't, no.

48:30SPEAKER- No, you'll hurt yourself, you're not allowed to do that.

48:33SPEAKER- How do you feel about using electronics

48:34SPEAKERwhile on the toilet?

48:35SPEAKERDo you clean them with isopropyl alcohol

48:37SPEAKERat the same time as you wash your hands?

48:39SPEAKER- I do a clean hand, dirty hand plan.

48:43SPEAKER- Okay.

48:45SPEAKER- Like the one hand is for the business of the business,

48:49SPEAKERthe other hand is for the electronics,

48:50SPEAKERand then the electronics go out of the splash zone

48:53SPEAKERbefore the bidet or toilet are used, so.

48:56SPEAKER- We're not worrying about permeating the air

48:58SPEAKERwith bacteria.

48:59SPEAKER- I'm fine, look.

49:00SPEAKERThat just makes the immune system stronger.

49:02SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.

49:03SPEAKER- Do you clean your electronics?

49:05SPEAKER- Occasionally, I don't take them in the bathroom though.

49:07SPEAKERI don't really take, I just, it's kind of dull business

49:09SPEAKERin and out for me.

49:10SPEAKER- Do you have paper books or anything?

49:12SPEAKERYou got a deep reading material in there?

49:14SPEAKER- Nope, nope, ever since we got a bidet,

49:17SPEAKERI'm just kind of like, let's just do this.

49:20SPEAKERAlso a function of just being incredibly busy these days.

49:24SPEAKER- Okay, so when paper books were a thing,

49:26SPEAKERI didn't take electronics into the bathroom at all.

49:28SPEAKER- Interesting.

49:29SPEAKER- But I like a little reading material.

49:30SPEAKER- Yeah, we used to have a lot of magazines in there,

49:32SPEAKERbut I just, for whatever reason, I'm just like,

49:35SPEAKERI'm just, hey, here to do something

49:37SPEAKERand I'm just gonna get it done and move on.

49:39SPEAKER- Yeah, once our Entertainment Weekly subscription lapsed

49:41SPEAKERfor the last time.

49:43SPEAKERAlso, I don't think they publish

49:44SPEAKEREntertainment Weekly anymore, rip.

49:45SPEAKER- Oh, they killed it.

49:47SPEAKER- Yeah, let me ask you, this is another question.

49:50SPEAKERWhen you got your bidet, did you have to look up

49:52SPEAKERYouTube videos for how to use it properly?

49:55SPEAKER- I think that I just used the guide it came with,

49:59SPEAKERif I remember.

50:01SPEAKER- Oh, ours didn't come with a guide.

50:03SPEAKER- No instructions at all?

50:04SPEAKER- I mean, it told me how to plug it in,

50:05SPEAKERbut it didn't tell me how to use it.

50:06SPEAKER- Wait, plug it in as in electrical, is it a power?

50:09SPEAKER- No, no, hook it up to the pipes.

50:11SPEAKER- You mean hook it up to the line, yeah.

50:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I knew how to hook it up to that line, though.

50:13SPEAKERThat wasn't that hard.

50:14SPEAKERI didn't know relative strength

50:17SPEAKERand whether you're looking for a power washing,

50:19SPEAKERyou're more of a gentle blast.

50:20SPEAKERWhat you were getting out of that

50:22SPEAKERwas the thing that I didn't know about at the time.

50:25SPEAKER- Was yours not adjustable?

50:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.

50:27SPEAKER- I mean, ours can go from trickle to blast pretty easily.

50:30SPEAKER- Yeah, that was the problem is I was going with blast

50:32SPEAKERand I think I was damaging myself,

50:33SPEAKERso you want a gentle wash.

50:36SPEAKER- We shouldn't, we should move on.

50:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the one we bought at least was so simple,

50:41SPEAKERI barely needed the instructions.

50:42SPEAKERIt's literally just one line from the valve

50:45SPEAKERon the wall to the thing.

50:47SPEAKER- Yeah, that's what ours is too, it's super, super simple.

50:50SPEAKER- Well, I mean, ours has the option to do hot water,

50:52SPEAKERbut that was just because in order to get a left-hand model,

50:55SPEAKERwe had to get a hot water one.

50:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I installed the same model for my parents

50:59SPEAKERwhen I was there, though,

51:01SPEAKERand that was much more of an ordeal.

51:03SPEAKER- Are they fans, are they enjoying?

51:05SPEAKERDo you hear about it?

51:05SPEAKER- It's in the downstairs toilet,

51:07SPEAKERI put it in like an out of the way one

51:08SPEAKER'cause I wasn't sure what they would think of it.

51:10SPEAKER- So it's a you gift, not a gift for them.

51:13SPEAKER- It was largely me improving my own living conditions.

51:16SPEAKER- We're going back to Palm Desert

51:18SPEAKERand I'm thinking I might do the same thing,

51:19SPEAKERjust stealth install a bidet for them while we're there,

51:22SPEAKER'cause why wouldn't you?

51:23SPEAKER- The one I got's like 30 bucks, like why not?

51:27SPEAKERJust buy a bidet, leave a bidet.

51:29SPEAKER- Yeah, everywhere I go, I'm Johnny Bidet seed.

51:33SPEAKER- But I ended up having to replace

51:35SPEAKERthe whole flushing mechanism

51:36SPEAKERand it was like a 30-year-old toilet.

51:37SPEAKER- Well, I mean, look, replacing the flapper

51:39SPEAKERcan save up to 200 gallons of water a year,

51:41SPEAKERmany ads on the internet have told me.

51:44SPEAKER- I would believe that.

51:45SPEAKERThis made me really interested in home ownership

51:47SPEAKERbecause I didn't realize that I could go to Home Depot,

51:51SPEAKERspend $15 and replace the entire innards of the toilet tank.

51:54SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

51:55SPEAKER- It was like kind of eye-opening and I just did it

51:58SPEAKERand it was like, wow, is this what it's like

51:59SPEAKERto have your own place and you can just do this?

52:01SPEAKER- Well, so I will tell you,

52:03SPEAKERthe pro and the con is that on newer toilets,

52:05SPEAKERthey often have some sort of proprietary mechanism

52:09SPEAKERthat doesn't use the classic flapper.

52:11SPEAKERSo like our new, we bought a toilet a few years ago

52:15SPEAKERafter the, I might've talked about this in the podcast,

52:17SPEAKERthere was a unfortunate incident with a travel,

52:19SPEAKERa partially filled travel size bottle of saline solution

52:22SPEAKERwhere it fell off of the shelf as the toilet was flushing

52:25SPEAKERand got sucked down around the goose neck

52:28SPEAKERand was then floating at the top of the goose neck

52:30SPEAKERin such a way that we just absolutely couldn't get it out.

52:33SPEAKER- Yikes.

52:34SPEAKER- And it was clear that I was gonna have to take the toilet

52:36SPEAKERoff of the base in order to repair that

52:38SPEAKERand by the time, once I take the 25-year-old toilet

52:41SPEAKERoff the base, we might as well shit can it

52:42SPEAKERand get a modern toilet that's gonna use a lot less water

52:45SPEAKERand flush better, so we did.

52:48SPEAKERBut ours has an aqua piston is what it's called.

52:54SPEAKERAnd while it can flush a whole toilets

52:56SPEAKERwhere the golf balls, it is not compatible

53:00SPEAKERwith the traditional flappers.

53:01SPEAKERSo if we have to replace it, we have to get another

53:02SPEAKERaqua piston from the people that made the thing.

53:05SPEAKER- Aqua piston, is that a brand name?

53:07SPEAKER- I believe it is, yes.

53:08SPEAKER- Oh, that is absolutely a brand name.

53:09SPEAKERThat is, that looks fancy.

53:11SPEAKER- It was pretty, it's pretty fancy.

53:13SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's wow, I've never seen anything like that.

53:15SPEAKERThe thing I got was just a standard fluid master.

53:18SPEAKERI don't know what the, it was, it's not the bulb type.

53:21SPEAKERIt's not the type of the big.

53:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it has that thing on a slide probably, right?

53:24SPEAKER- Yes, it's a vertical slide contraption.

53:26SPEAKERI don't know what the technical term is for that.

53:28SPEAKER- That's the float is what that's called.

53:30SPEAKER- Okay, it was quite easy to install.

53:32SPEAKER- And that turns the water on and off.

53:33SPEAKERGee, toilets are surprisingly simple devices

53:36SPEAKERfor something that was so much magic.

53:37SPEAKER- My dad, oh my God.

53:39SPEAKERLike I also, it took forever to find the distance

53:43SPEAKERbetween the tank and the valve on the wall.

53:45SPEAKERI could not find a hose short enough to connect them properly.

53:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:48SPEAKER- So there were leaks, there were like--

53:51SPEAKER- 'Cause of the bending line.

53:52SPEAKER- The line was bending too much so it was kinked

53:54SPEAKERand there were leaks and like,

53:55SPEAKERthat's why I had to replace the flushing mechanism

53:57SPEAKER'cause there was water seeping around the bottom of the tank.

54:01SPEAKERMy dad was so ornery about this multi-day process

54:05SPEAKERand like, he was just like,

54:06SPEAKERwhy didn't you just leave well enough alone?

54:07SPEAKERAnd then at the end of it, as soon as I got it all done

54:10SPEAKERand it was nice and tightly installed and no leaks

54:12SPEAKERand everything was working perfectly.

54:14SPEAKERIt's like the best feeling ever

54:16SPEAKERbecause then I got the fatherly approval.

54:18SPEAKER- Yeah, there you go.

54:19SPEAKER- You did a home improvement project well

54:21SPEAKERand it's working right and now I'm happy.

54:23SPEAKER- Mission accomplished.

54:24SPEAKER- Man, I just wanna keep doing this all the time.

54:26SPEAKER- So I will tell you when you buy a house,

54:29SPEAKERbuy something with two bathrooms

54:31SPEAKERbecause when you only have one bathroom and the toilet,

54:34SPEAKERlike that kind of multi-day toilet project,

54:36SPEAKERit becomes a substantial cost

54:39SPEAKERif you have to like, say, get a hotel room.

54:42SPEAKER- Oh yeah. - Yeah.

54:43SPEAKERWhen we had to replace the toilet,

54:44SPEAKERI had to do that in one day and in the meantime,

54:47SPEAKERwe were operating on like minimal flushing

54:52SPEAKERbecause of the float in the line.

54:54SPEAKER- Oh no. - Yeah, it was bad.

54:55SPEAKERIt was bad. - Wow, wow, okay.

54:57SPEAKER- Always have two bathrooms.

54:59SPEAKER- Hey, well at least I'm not hungry anymore.

55:02SPEAKER- I think that's as good a place

55:02SPEAKERas any to wrap it up probably.

55:04SPEAKER- I think you're probably right.

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55:16SPEAKERone question per episode, maybe two, I don't know.

55:21SPEAKERAnd that'll do it for us this week.

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55:47SPEAKERwell, basically anything imaginable.

55:50SPEAKERThere's a whole world of topics out there.

55:52SPEAKERWe had a request for some new channels the other day

55:54SPEAKERfrom Thread Club.

55:56SPEAKERI need to talk to you about that 'cause I have not yet

55:58SPEAKERand I apologize to Scoot 'cause I said I was going to

56:00SPEAKERand then completely forgot until just this moment.

56:02SPEAKER- Oh, we have a lot of channels.

56:03SPEAKER- We have a lot of channels.

56:04SPEAKERThere are channels for everything.

56:06SPEAKER- I frequently wonder if we have too many, but.

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56:19SPEAKERincluding Paddle Creek Games, makers of Fractured Veil,

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56:27SPEAKEROh, wait, hold on.

56:28SPEAKERLogic Ill, Just Wedge, Jacob Chappell, Joel Krauska,

56:32SPEAKERTwinkies in badge life mode.

56:34SPEAKERDid you see Twinkies badge he posted yesterday?

56:37SPEAKER- I did, I need to reply to that.

56:38SPEAKER- It's fuzzy.

56:39SPEAKERWell, he posted it in the channel too so it's public.

56:41SPEAKERWe can talk about it.

56:42SPEAKERHis badge life badge for this year,

56:48SPEAKERhe gave the sneak peek, is a fuzzy Totoro badge

56:53SPEAKERwith the clock stuff on it that he does, it's very good.

56:56SPEAKER- I'm looking at it right now,

56:57SPEAKERit's like incredibly professional looking.

56:59SPEAKER- I wanna find out, I'm thinking maybe I should make

57:01SPEAKERthe Playdate covers fuzzy now as a result of this.

57:05SPEAKER- Oh, I just actually blew the image up

57:07SPEAKERto see where the numeric display is gonna be.

57:09SPEAKERThat's so good.

57:10SPEAKER- It's hidden under the fuzz, it's really, really smart.

57:11SPEAKERMan, I can't wait to see that in action.

57:13SPEAKER- Yeah, David Allen and James Kamik, thank you all so much.

57:16SPEAKERWe appreciate you so, so much.

57:18SPEAKERAnd I guess we'll react next week

57:21SPEAKERwith another episode of the Tech Pod.

57:23SPEAKER- You guess?

57:24SPEAKER- I mean, look, future is impossible to judge at this point.

57:27SPEAKER- Anything could happen.

57:28SPEAKER- Right, the aliens could come.

57:31SPEAKER- Carl could become sentient and strangle us all.

57:33SPEAKER- I mean, I was really worried that Carl had blocked me.

57:36SPEAKERIf I'm being honest, I was scary.

57:39SPEAKER- Has there been a disaster movie

57:40SPEAKERabout like killer fog, there has to have been.

57:43SPEAKER- Yeah, the fog that turns people inside out.

57:45SPEAKERThere's been multiples.

57:46SPEAKERThere's "The Mist," there's "The Fog."

57:48SPEAKER- Oh, of course.

57:48SPEAKER- There's multiple versions of "The Mist."

57:50SPEAKER- Okay, there are numerous movies called "The Fog."

57:53SPEAKER- Yeah, like if you're afraid of fog,

57:54SPEAKERthis is not where you wanna live.

57:56SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying.

57:57SPEAKERWe'll see you all next week.

57:58SPEAKERBye, everybody.

57:59SPEAKER(upbeat music)