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127: "fear, sex"

2022-03-13 · 1:15:00

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, the power's only flickered off twice,

00:02SPEAKERmaybe three times so far, so I think we're good,

00:04SPEAKERbut also we might be recording this on borrowed time.

00:07SPEAKER- It's a good thing you're on a laptop

00:08SPEAKERthat has like 20 hours of battery.

00:10SPEAKER- Well, the laptop's got plenty of battery.

00:13SPEAKERThe internet devices in this house have zero.

00:15SPEAKER- What, they're not hooked up with the NUT server?

00:17SPEAKER- I'm afraid the NUT server

00:19SPEAKERdid not make the cross-country trip with me.

00:21SPEAKER- Oh no, oh no.

00:22SPEAKER- Nor is there UPS in here to hook the NUT server up to.

00:26SPEAKER- Once again, you're at your childhood home.

00:30SPEAKERMy parents are in the process of selling

00:32SPEAKERand moving out of my childhood home.

00:34SPEAKER- Oh no, that's like my worst nightmare.

00:35SPEAKERI've fought and thought about that awful scenario

00:38SPEAKERand what I might do in retaliation.

00:40SPEAKERWhat's your plan?

00:42SPEAKER- I mean, I'm encouraging them to do this.

00:45SPEAKERI think this is a good thing because it's--

00:47SPEAKER- Hang on.

00:48SPEAKER- Yes.

00:49SPEAKER- You're saying you're putting their needs

00:50SPEAKERin front of yours?

00:52SPEAKERThat's probably the right thing to do.

00:53SPEAKER- No, I'm thinking about my future

00:55SPEAKERand what it will be like if I have to deal with this

00:59SPEAKERand them dealing with it now is much better

01:00SPEAKERthan me dealing with it later.

01:02SPEAKER- So this is fulfilling your needs as well.

01:04SPEAKER- Yeah, this is a win-win for everyone.

01:08SPEAKERSo they bought a place a few years ago

01:10SPEAKERthat's closer to some other family members

01:12SPEAKERin Northern Virginia and so they'd been maintaining

01:15SPEAKERtwo fairly substantial,

01:19SPEAKERit's not like palatial estates or anything,

01:20SPEAKERbut they're small toy farms

01:24SPEAKERand it's a lot for people that are my parents' age

01:28SPEAKERand I was glad that they have less stuff

01:30SPEAKERthat they have to do on the home maintenance front now

01:34SPEAKERas a result and hopefully can enjoy themselves

01:35SPEAKERand do some other things now instead.

01:37SPEAKERSo that is good, but I'm a little sad

01:39SPEAKER'cause I don't know that I'm gonna get back

01:40SPEAKERbefore the childhood home goes away.

01:43SPEAKER- So that was my question was whether

01:44SPEAKERthe sentimentality has kicked in yet.

01:47SPEAKER- I mean, a little bit.

01:47SPEAKERThey're sending, I'm getting a lot of the pictures

01:50SPEAKERwith like, do you want this for things

01:52SPEAKERthat I haven't thought about in 40 years,

01:54SPEAKER35 years in some cases?

01:56SPEAKERAnd I'm like, hmm, no, I think I'm probably good on that one

01:59SPEAKERit's a little bit easier to get rid of it now.

02:03SPEAKERLike, do I need my water skis

02:04SPEAKERfrom when I was in eighth grade?

02:07SPEAKERDon't really have a use for water skis where I live

02:09SPEAKERand like, I'm not living a boat kind of life out here, so.

02:13SPEAKER- What if your daughter reaches the eighth grade

02:15SPEAKERand decides that she absolutely wants to take up water skiing

02:18SPEAKERmore than anything else in the world?

02:19SPEAKER- The interesting thing is as little space

02:22SPEAKERas we have in Northern California

02:24SPEAKERand as much as it costs to like have a storage unit here,

02:27SPEAKERit is much cheaper for me to just buy her

02:29SPEAKERa really nice set of new water skis

02:31SPEAKERthan for me to store water skis for two years.

02:34SPEAKER- I imagine that 80s water ski tech

02:36SPEAKERis probably pretty outdated at this point.

02:38SPEAKER- Well, and so the fun thing about this,

02:40SPEAKERat this point, the skis that I learned to ski on

02:42SPEAKERare probably antiques because they're wooden,

02:45SPEAKERlike Cypress Garden, Dick Pope Jr. Cypress Garden Classics

02:48SPEAKERfrom when my parents got their first boat

02:50SPEAKERin the late 60s or early 70s.

02:52SPEAKERSo yeah, they're not like, they're the kind of skis

02:56SPEAKERyou might hang on a wall at this point.

02:59SPEAKER- I'm sorry, who, Pope Jr.?

03:01SPEAKER- Dick Pope Jr., he's a famous professional water skier

03:04SPEAKERfrom 1974 to like 1982.

03:08SPEAKER- I want to call him up and get his opinion on the matter.

03:10SPEAKER- I mean, look, this is the kind of thing

03:13SPEAKERthat's dangerous to look up on eBay

03:14SPEAKER'cause it could be a hole, right?

03:16SPEAKERLike it could be like, oh man,

03:18SPEAKERthese are some real classic skis.

03:19SPEAKERLike they also have a set,

03:20SPEAKERdo you know what trickster skis are?

03:22SPEAKER- No.

03:23SPEAKER- Okay, so like normal water skis are kind of long

03:26SPEAKERand skinny and have a fin on the back, right?

03:27SPEAKERAnd you put your foot in the middle and like you get up.

03:29SPEAKERSometimes there's another slip in on the back

03:32SPEAKERfor your, for slaloming, whatever.

03:34SPEAKERTrickster skis are about three times as wide

03:38SPEAKERas a normal ski and they have curves up on both ends,

03:41SPEAKERbut they have no fins so you can spin and stuff.

03:43SPEAKERThe only way you can steer them is with the edges.

03:47SPEAKERThey're a really good way to break your ankle,

03:49SPEAKERbut you can do all sorts of cool stuff like spinning on

03:52SPEAKERand like doing spins and I don't know,

03:55SPEAKERmostly it spins, it seems.

03:57SPEAKER- Hey, spinning is a good trick I've heard.

03:59SPEAKER- Yeah, like you look cool when you're doing it.

04:02SPEAKER- Hey, what's a broken ankle or two when you look cool?

04:06SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:19SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:34SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.

04:38SPEAKER- I'm Brad, hello, hi.

04:39SPEAKER- Hi, hello, hello, hi.

04:41SPEAKER- Hello, hi, hello.

04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, so to like put a wrapper on that,

04:47SPEAKERit's a little, like there's a little bit of nostalgia,

04:50SPEAKERbut also I'm constantly presented with the

04:53SPEAKERnot having a sustainable amount of space

04:56SPEAKERin the house in which we live.

04:58SPEAKERSo it makes it easy to make smart decisions, I guess.

05:00SPEAKERI don't know.

05:01SPEAKER- That's right, slash and burn.

05:02SPEAKERThat's probably the right call, except it's not.

05:05SPEAKER- Yeah, like I got, she's sending me

05:11SPEAKERmy high school yearbooks.

05:13SPEAKER- Okay, yes, that's crucial.

05:15SPEAKERI mean, those are memories, that's something

05:17SPEAKERyou can't replace.

05:18SPEAKER- I did go and look and they're all on the internet,

05:20SPEAKERit turns out.

05:21SPEAKER- Wait, what?

05:22SPEAKER- Like my high school just posted PDFs

05:24SPEAKERof all the yearbooks that they had.

05:25SPEAKER- Like officially?

05:26SPEAKER- Yeah, official ones.

05:27SPEAKER- Oh my God, I have to find out right now if,

05:31SPEAKERoh, I shouldn't type this into Google.

05:32SPEAKER- No, you should not type this into Google

05:34SPEAKER'cause what you're gonna do is they're gonna go,

05:36SPEAKERthey're gonna find our yearbooks now.

05:39SPEAKER- I'm not gonna say where I went to school or anything.

05:42SPEAKER- I mean, we both grew up in small towns.

05:43SPEAKERThere's a limited number of options.

05:45SPEAKER- Oh no.

05:46SPEAKER- Yeah, it's out there.

05:47SPEAKER- Oh my God.

05:48SPEAKER- We may call this over again.

05:50SPEAKER- Oh no, I think I'm good.

05:52SPEAKERI see a list of what may be my high school class,

05:58SPEAKERbut no pictures.

05:59SPEAKER- Okay, that's good.

06:00SPEAKER- Also, a lot of these names are extremely wrong.

06:03SPEAKERI think this might be crowdsourced yearbook information.

06:06SPEAKER- Oh, it's okay.

06:06SPEAKERSo my high school literally has like a hundred years

06:09SPEAKERof yearbooks just posted in PDF forms

06:11SPEAKERwhere somebody stands professionally.

06:12SPEAKER- It's actually really nice.

06:14SPEAKER- I think I'm on, first of all, I'm on a laptop.

06:18SPEAKERI'm tiling in Mac OS in a way that I can't see much

06:20SPEAKERof this browser right now.

06:21SPEAKERBut I think the address for this high school

06:26SPEAKERis one of the, like a fake auto-generated

06:29SPEAKERby some skeezy affiliate transaction,

06:32SPEAKERsomething, something website chain.

06:34SPEAKER- Look, don't worry, Brad.

06:36SPEAKER- Not official.

06:37SPEAKER- The Discord will figure it out for you.

06:39SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

06:40SPEAKERAnyway, enough about, yes.

06:43SPEAKER- Speaking of walks down memory lane

06:45SPEAKERand revisiting my middle school and early high school years,

06:48SPEAKER- Dan Pine.

06:49SPEAKER- And yours, we threatened to do this last week

06:53SPEAKERand people seem to react pretty positively.

06:55SPEAKERAnd also you've been traveling and it's a hard week

06:57SPEAKERto do a hard hitting technology episode.

07:01SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about the Star Treks.

07:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I was a little worried that there were too many

07:06SPEAKERStar Trek The Next Generation podcasts out there

07:08SPEAKERon the internet already, but people seemed into it.

07:10SPEAKERSo, and also you, I don't know how much you want

07:11SPEAKERto get into it, like you've had some recent Star Trek time.

07:14SPEAKER- Well, okay.

07:15SPEAKERSo I stream often from like eight o'clock until midnight.

07:20SPEAKERAnd then after that, I need something to kind of like

07:22SPEAKERusually get a snack and have a glass of water

07:24SPEAKERand like, you know, wind down for a little bit.

07:26SPEAKERAnd it turns out that a Star Trek The Next Generation episode

07:29SPEAKERis almost exactly the right amount of time

07:31SPEAKERfor me to like wind down.

07:33SPEAKERSo I'll come out, I'll make like a,

07:34SPEAKERI'll make a little snack.

07:36SPEAKERI sit down on the leather chair, I flip on a TNG episode

07:39SPEAKERand I'll watch one TNG episode.

07:41SPEAKERSo I've been doing this for like the last year

07:42SPEAKERand a half, basically.

07:45SPEAKERAnd then when I got sick over the holidays,

07:46SPEAKERI was in the hospital and they had Netflix,

07:48SPEAKERwhich also had access to TNG and a bunch of other shit

07:50SPEAKERthat I didn't want to watch.

07:52SPEAKERSo I would just watch a bunch of TNG episodes every day.

07:54SPEAKER- Oh, that's the best.

07:55SPEAKER- It was, I'm gonna go and tell you,

07:57SPEAKERit could have been worse, could have been a lot.

08:00SPEAKER- Yeah, the being in the hospital part,

08:02SPEAKERthe organ issue part or whatever, maybe not the best,

08:05SPEAKERbut nice consolation prize.

08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like having some quality time to hang out

08:09SPEAKERwith my friends on the enterprise was pretty cool.

08:11SPEAKERI was okay with that.

08:13SPEAKER- I will tell you, the only,

08:15SPEAKERI was a pretty diligent college student about going to class.

08:18SPEAKERI was not a skipper.

08:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

08:20SPEAKER- I was not, I was not a truancy problem,

08:23SPEAKERexcept for the occasional time

08:25SPEAKERwhen the "Star Trek The Next Generation" marathon

08:27SPEAKERwould be on Spike TV.

08:28SPEAKERYou and I missed a lot of class.

08:31SPEAKER- We had very different college experiences.

08:33SPEAKER- Perhaps so.

08:36SPEAKERSo, okay, so I started watching this like a year,

08:38SPEAKERlike about a year and a half ago,

08:39SPEAKERyear, year and a half ago.

08:42SPEAKERAnd I did, I realized as I was going through the list

08:44SPEAKERthat I bounced around from Paramount Plus

08:47SPEAKERwhen we have Paramount Plus on to Netflix,

08:50SPEAKER'cause the Paramount Plus versions seemed

08:52SPEAKERa little bit cleaner for whatever reason.

08:54SPEAKER- Really?

08:55SPEAKERWell also, so we should address this probably up top.

08:57SPEAKERApparently they're about to be the only versions as well.

08:59SPEAKERI don't know if it's--

09:00SPEAKER- It's leaving Netflix at the end of this month.

09:02SPEAKER- Is it the end of this month?

09:03SPEAKEROkay, I'll triple check, but.

09:06SPEAKER- No, no, Netflix literally tells you

09:08SPEAKERwhen you watch a TNG episode, it's like, yo.

09:09SPEAKER- Oh, this is leaving on April 1st, it's gone after.

09:12SPEAKER- Yes, last day to watch on Netflix, April 1st.

09:15SPEAKER- Yeah, so.

09:17SPEAKER- More fools you if we're thinking you could watch "Star Trek"

09:20SPEAKERon Netflix after this month.

09:22SPEAKER- Well, okay, so it was interesting watching this,

09:25SPEAKER'cause when I was a kid,

09:27SPEAKERwhen I was in like middle school and high school,

09:28SPEAKERthis was appointment viewing on Saturday.

09:30SPEAKERIt came on on Saturday night at like seven or eight o'clock,

09:32SPEAKERand the whole family gathered around the TV

09:35SPEAKERbecause of my proclivities,

09:37SPEAKERand we watched "Star Trek The Next Generation"

09:39SPEAKERtogether as a group,

09:40SPEAKERwhich occasionally was uncomfortable

09:43SPEAKERdue to the extreme horniness of that show.

09:46SPEAKER- Man, is it really that horny?

09:48SPEAKER- Dude, it's pretty horny.

09:49SPEAKER- I'll let you make your argument.

09:50SPEAKER- Like the fully functional android in the first season bit,

09:54SPEAKERthere were a lot of uncomfortable moments.

09:56SPEAKER- Yes, actually, now that you mentioned it,

09:58SPEAKERthe influence of Gene Roddenberry manifested itself

10:00SPEAKERin all sorts of ways.

10:01SPEAKER- I convinced some of my friends in seventh grade

10:06SPEAKERwho happened to be girls

10:07SPEAKERto watch this cool show I was really into,

10:10SPEAKERand it was the episode that begins with Troy and Crusher

10:14SPEAKERdoing yoga and talking about how flexible they are

10:17SPEAKERin an incredibly horny way.

10:19SPEAKERLike the whole thing, it's horny all the way through.

10:22SPEAKERThere's all the Geordi episodes being horny.

10:25SPEAKERLike Geordi's the horniest guy on that ship by far.

10:27SPEAKER- Oh yeah, Geordi in retrospect,

10:29SPEAKERthere are some aspects of him that are maybe

10:31SPEAKERa little bit uncomfortable.

10:34SPEAKER- Look, there's a lot of inappropriate holodeck etiquette.

10:37SPEAKERLike the holodeck etiquette is clearly not developed yet

10:39SPEAKERat this point in the Trek-averse, I think.

10:42SPEAKER- Oh yes, well, I mean the, yes.

10:44SPEAKERThe episode, I don't know if we'll get to the episode

10:45SPEAKERwhere the real Leah Brahms shows up on the Enterprise

10:48SPEAKERand finds out that he has been hanging out

10:50SPEAKERwith a virtual Leah Brahms on the holodeck an awful lot.

10:53SPEAKER- Marrying her in the best of both worlds, in the finale?

10:58SPEAKER- Yes, I think he is actually married to her

11:00SPEAKER25 years later.

11:02SPEAKER- It's like, there's a lot of-

11:04SPEAKER- Boy, yeah, before we move on,

11:06SPEAKERyou just made me realize like

11:07SPEAKERhow many different episodes there are

11:09SPEAKERwhere some kind of intoxicating agents

11:12SPEAKERtakes control of this ship

11:14SPEAKERand they all just start doing it with each other.

11:16SPEAKER- Non-consensual horniness happens.

11:19SPEAKERThere's a lot of weird, anyway,

11:21SPEAKERthere are some weird choices in there.

11:23SPEAKERThe nineties were weird, we all know.

11:25SPEAKER- Well, A, Roddenberry was a giant sleaze bag,

11:27SPEAKERbut B, he also wasn't super involved with that show

11:29SPEAKERpast the first couple seasons, but-

11:32SPEAKER- Well, he died at the end of the first season

11:33SPEAKERor something, right, second season?

11:34SPEAKER- Seconds? - Yeah.

11:36SPEAKER- Second or third?

11:37SPEAKER- His influence loomed large, let's say.

11:39SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the thing is,

11:41SPEAKERhe was also from that sixties era of science fiction

11:45SPEAKERthat Heinlein and all those guys came from

11:47SPEAKERthat was also very fucking horny.

11:50SPEAKERI can't believe we're talking about horny Star Trek here

11:52SPEAKERto lead off this conversation, but yeah.

11:54SPEAKER- Let's not spend more time on Gene Roddenberry,

11:56SPEAKERhe kind of sucks.

11:57SPEAKER- Yeah, but both, okay, so the upshot, though,

11:59SPEAKERfrom watching this again with fresh eyes as an adult

12:02SPEAKERis that there's an incredible number

12:04SPEAKERof really good one-off kind of genre episodes of the show.

12:09SPEAKERLike, they're hard science fiction,

12:11SPEAKERthey're detective stories, they're, I don't know,

12:15SPEAKERlike monster movies. - Courtroom dramas like that,

12:16SPEAKERyes, yes, there's like monster movie horror episodes,

12:20SPEAKERthere's also psychological horror episodes,

12:22SPEAKERthere are courtroom dramas,

12:23SPEAKERthere are straight up action movie romps,

12:27SPEAKERlike it is very much working, yeah,

12:29SPEAKERit's like working in different spaces

12:30SPEAKERdepending on the episode.

12:32SPEAKER- Well, and it's the thing that I like,

12:34SPEAKERI didn't realize as a kid

12:35SPEAKERthat this is what I liked about Star Trek,

12:37SPEAKERbut it's the same thing that Marvel's doing

12:40SPEAKERwith the MCU right now, right?

12:41SPEAKERThey're taking familiar characters and these character arcs,

12:44SPEAKERyou know, and then they're like, you know,

12:46SPEAKERtaking one genre, outer space superheroes,

12:49SPEAKERand jamming it into another genre, you know,

12:51SPEAKERlike psychological horror with the new Doctor Strange movie,

12:56SPEAKERor the one where Beverly gets stuck in time

13:00SPEAKERin the increasingly small universe, like--

13:03SPEAKER- Oh, you mean Remember Me, one of the best,

13:05SPEAKERthe stealth best episodes of the series.

13:08SPEAKER- Yeah, so, okay, so here's, here is,

13:13SPEAKERbut, okay, so the other thing about my youth

13:15SPEAKERis I started dating and had a car

13:18SPEAKERmy junior year in high school,

13:20SPEAKERand therefore Saturday nights at seven

13:22SPEAKERgot occupied by other things which continued into college.

13:25SPEAKER- Poor data.

13:26SPEAKER- Well, I didn't see a lot of like the back half

13:31SPEAKERof that show, like from probably season five on,

13:34SPEAKERI feel like I saw Best of Both Worlds,

13:36SPEAKERI'm sorry, yeah, Best of Both Worlds,

13:38SPEAKERand, you know, some of the,

13:43SPEAKERlike I'd catch an occasional episode,

13:45SPEAKERbut it wasn't like a regular occurrence.

13:48SPEAKERBrad, I have a terrible story to tell too.

13:51SPEAKER- Oh boy, let's get it over with.

13:54SPEAKERSo in seventh grade, at the height of,

13:58SPEAKERthis was in 1987, it was probably the end of season one,

14:00SPEAKERI was like, you know who's really cool?

14:03SPEAKER- Oh. - Commander Data.

14:05SPEAKER- Oh no, wait, is this related to Halloween by any chance?

14:08SPEAKER- There was hair, oh no, no,

14:10SPEAKERit's much worse than that, it wasn't Halloween.

14:11SPEAKER- Oh no.

14:12SPEAKER- There was hair product at the house,

14:14SPEAKERand I was like, you know what, I could do this,

14:15SPEAKERI could have Commander Data hair.

14:18SPEAKERSo I moosed up the hair, got it all straight back,

14:21SPEAKERwalked around the house, tried it out on Sunday

14:24SPEAKERwith the family, they were very pro.

14:25SPEAKER- Oh no.

14:27SPEAKERWas there any pancake makeup around?

14:29SPEAKER- No pancake makeup, thank God, no makeup.

14:31SPEAKERI went to school on Monday morning with the hair back.

14:34SPEAKER- Oh my God, how did it go?

14:36SPEAKER- It was not good, Brad, it was profoundly not good.

14:40SPEAKER- Were there any swirlies or wedgies or lockers?

14:43SPEAKER- No, I made it about eight minutes.

14:45SPEAKERI went to my locker, the people around me were like,

14:47SPEAKERhey, what the fuck happened to your hair?

14:49SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, I don't know, man,

14:51SPEAKERI just tried something new.

14:53SPEAKERAnd they were like, whoa.

14:54SPEAKERAnd so I went to the bathroom real quick

14:56SPEAKERand got my hair super wet,

14:58SPEAKERthinking that that was gonna solve the problem.

15:00SPEAKERBut moose, it turns out, the hair product

15:03SPEAKERthat was available to me in the drawer

15:04SPEAKERin my bathroom as a child, it was a bad day.

15:08SPEAKERSeventh grade was a little traumatic.

15:10SPEAKER- You remember they made an episode

15:12SPEAKERabout this exact thing, right?

15:14SPEAKER- No. - You remember?

15:15SPEAKEROh dude, well now I need to find it.

15:16SPEAKER- Oh, it's the little kid.

15:17SPEAKER- Yes, there's a kid. - The little kid

15:18SPEAKERthat wants to be like Data, it's the one where the,

15:21SPEAKERis it the one where the kid's mom dies on an away mission?

15:23SPEAKER- Yes, I think he's pissed off at work about it.

15:25SPEAKER- His parents die and Data saved him, I think.

15:29SPEAKERAnd he basically wants to emulate, yeah,

15:30SPEAKERhe quite literally makes his hair Data hair in that episode.

15:33SPEAKERThey made an episode about you.

15:35SPEAKER- God, I wonder if that was why I did that.

15:37SPEAKERIt would've been the right time.

15:40SPEAKER- I don't remember the name of that one

15:42SPEAKERoff the top of my head, but we could find it.

15:43SPEAKER- Well, anyway, the upshot is,

15:45SPEAKERthat's actually, that was a close third for my list here.

15:50SPEAKER- Okay.

15:51SPEAKER- It's also a real good Worf one.

15:51SPEAKERThat's the one where everybody's dealing with this,

15:54SPEAKERthere's basically like only two or three episodes

15:57SPEAKERwhere people die that they actually,

15:59SPEAKERlike it's actually done well, like the character death.

16:03SPEAKERBecause usually it's just like some poor bastard

16:05SPEAKERgets blasted and they're dead and everybody's like,

16:07SPEAKERoh wow, this is really sad.

16:08SPEAKERBut sometimes they set it up and like they have a whole,

16:11SPEAKERthey have an earned character death.

16:13SPEAKERLike Lower Decks is the classic example of,

16:17SPEAKERhey, something bad is happening to this person.

16:21SPEAKERAnd like they have an entire arc and a life

16:24SPEAKERand an inner monologue, the whole thing.

16:28SPEAKER- There's a buildup to it.

16:29SPEAKERThere's an arc, there is a lesson.

16:31SPEAKERAlso, I mean, if we get to that episode again later,

16:33SPEAKERthere's, that's actually a callback to a previous episode.

16:36SPEAKER- Is that a question TOS episode?

16:38SPEAKER- No, it's a different next generation one.

16:40SPEAKERI think we'll get there.

16:42SPEAKER- Okay.

16:43SPEAKER- We'll get there as we talk about some episodes.

16:44SPEAKERI think what we're gonna do here

16:46SPEAKERis not talk about all of the famous episodes.

16:48SPEAKER- Yeah, well, we've done that before.

16:50SPEAKERWe did it on, this is only a test like 10 years ago.

16:52SPEAKER- Okay.

16:53SPEAKER- But also like, do you want to make,

16:56SPEAKERdo you want to read the list of episodes

16:57SPEAKERwe're not gonna really talk about?

16:58SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

16:59SPEAKEROur short list of episodes

17:00SPEAKERthat don't need any more discussion

17:01SPEAKERare Best of Both Worlds, Measure of a Man,

17:03SPEAKERThe Courtroom is Data,

17:06SPEAKERDoes Data Have Personhood or Not episode.

17:09SPEAKER- Which is I think my all time favorite, just to be clear.

17:11SPEAKER- Oh, it's a fantastic episode.

17:12SPEAKERFamous for a reason, but also it's been discussed to death.

17:15SPEAKERAll good things, the series finale, Chain of Command,

17:18SPEAKERthe two-parter where Picard is tortured by Cardassians.

17:21SPEAKER- How many lights are there, Brad?

17:23SPEAKER- I can't say. - I can never remember now.

17:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it's supposed to be,

17:26SPEAKERwait, how many are there actually?

17:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:29SPEAKER- I don't remember.

17:30SPEAKERIs it that there are actually five

17:31SPEAKERand he is forced to say there are four?

17:33SPEAKER- I think he wants him to say that there's five

17:34SPEAKERand that there are actually four, but I don't remember.

17:36SPEAKER- Yes, because he's defiant in the face of his captors.

17:40SPEAKER- That whole episode and also Casino Royale

17:44SPEAKERare my two touchstones

17:45SPEAKERfor uncomfortable torture in pop culture.

17:48SPEAKER- Sure, I could see it.

17:50SPEAKERAlso, we're sitting here discussing episodes

17:52SPEAKERwe said we were gonna discuss.

17:54SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay.

17:55SPEAKER- Darmok, the everyone speaks in metaphors.

17:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:59SPEAKER- The inner light, which is probably

18:00SPEAKERthe actual best episode of the series.

18:01SPEAKER- I think that's probably true.

18:03SPEAKER- I wrote down yesterday's Enterprise question mark

18:05SPEAKERbecause I think yesterday's Enterprise

18:07SPEAKERis a pretty common touchstone for why Next Generation is good.

18:12SPEAKER- Look, I like yesterday's Enterprise.

18:14SPEAKERI'm the only person in the world

18:15SPEAKERthat thinks the Tasha Yar episodes are almost all bad.

18:18SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know about that.

18:19SPEAKERI mean, I don't have anything against Tasha Yar in particular

18:22SPEAKERbut I don't think she was necessarily

18:23SPEAKERlike universally beloved.

18:25SPEAKER- I just feel like, especially in the back, rewatching.

18:29SPEAKERSo the continuity episodes are my least favorite

18:32SPEAKERof the episodes, it turns out, in the rewatch as an adult.

18:36SPEAKERAnd I felt like in the later seasons, they're like,

18:39SPEAKER"Hey, we need a character here.

18:41SPEAKERLet's just fill this plot hole with the time-traveling

18:44SPEAKERTasha Yar and it'll work itself out."

18:46SPEAKER- Right, I totally forgot that.

18:47SPEAKER- Yeah, without Yesterday's Enterprise,

18:49SPEAKERnone of that happens, so.

18:50SPEAKER- I forgot, I forgot that was after

18:51SPEAKERshe would have left the show.

18:53SPEAKER- Yeah, she seemed back.

18:55SPEAKER- They're like, "Well, Denise Crosby's solo,

18:57SPEAKERher movie career is not maybe working

18:59SPEAKERthe way that she hoped.

19:00SPEAKERI'm sure she would do a guest spot."

19:02SPEAKER- Yeah, and Lower Decks is the other one on this list.

19:06SPEAKERI had to read Lower Decks on my list

19:08SPEAKERbut when we made our new criteria, I was like, "Yeah, okay."

19:10SPEAKER- Lower Decks is the one that focuses,

19:12SPEAKERit's the only episode of the entire series

19:14SPEAKERthat focuses on junior officers

19:16SPEAKERand kind of the rank and file of the Enterprise

19:19SPEAKERrather than the bridge crew, the big shots.

19:22SPEAKERBut it's fantastic for that.

19:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it's told through their perspective

19:25SPEAKERand it tells four interlocked, it's really well done.

19:30SPEAKERIt spun off an animated series, it's really good too.

19:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes, and it ends in tragedy.

19:35SPEAKERSo it's a real heartbreaker, a real tearjerker

19:38SPEAKERkind of at the end.

19:39SPEAKER- Well, the episode that it calls back to

19:41SPEAKERis one of the ones I was gonna bring up later

19:42SPEAKERso we'll get into that stuff.

19:43SPEAKER- Okay, cool.

19:45SPEAKER- I guess I don't have a lot to add

19:47SPEAKERto our Star Trek origins because mine is almost exactly

19:50SPEAKERlike yours except time shifted

19:52SPEAKERhowever many years younger I am than you.

19:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:55SPEAKER- Because Star Trek was also on here

19:57SPEAKERat 7 p.m. Saturday nights.

19:59SPEAKER- Probably on the same, well, it was on actually.

20:02SPEAKER- It was on our local Fox affiliate at 7 p.m.

20:05SPEAKER- Oh, we got it on ABC, I think.

20:07SPEAKER- Unlike you, I could not convince the rest

20:08SPEAKERof my family to watch it with me

20:09SPEAKERbut I was there on TV.

20:13SPEAKER- So, yeah, we all took turns.

20:15SPEAKERI did it Saturday night.

20:17SPEAKERI gave up Tuesday or something so we had,

20:19SPEAKERmy sister made us watch Alf every week

20:21SPEAKERwhich was fine, I liked Alf.

20:23SPEAKER- I was young enough to watch it through to its conclusion

20:25SPEAKERand I still distinctly remember the day

20:28SPEAKERthat All Good Things came on.

20:29SPEAKERThere was nothing that was going to stop me

20:31SPEAKERfrom being in front of that television.

20:32SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say like I did,

20:35SPEAKERby the time All Good Things came on

20:36SPEAKERI was probably a sophomore in college

20:38SPEAKERand we actually had, like there were some like-minded

20:42SPEAKERindividuals that I'd become friends with

20:44SPEAKERand we sat down and we all watched All Good Things together.

20:46SPEAKERSo both episodes. - That sounds like a fun

20:49SPEAKERcollege thing to do.

20:50SPEAKERAnyway, so I had the same experience as you

20:52SPEAKERexcept with Deep Space Nine where I was finishing

20:56SPEAKERhigh school as Deep Space Nine premiered

20:58SPEAKERand then so most of that show was on while I was in college

21:01SPEAKERand was not watching a lot of television.

21:04SPEAKER- No, it turns out. - I've never seen

21:05SPEAKERDeep Space Nine to this day.

21:08SPEAKERI would watch, there are a lot of people I know

21:11SPEAKERwho I trust who would really like DS Nine

21:13SPEAKERand I should go back and watch it at some point.

21:15SPEAKER- I totally understand why it's revered.

21:16SPEAKERI keep waiting.

21:17SPEAKERI kept hoping they would give it

21:19SPEAKERthe next generation HD treatment

21:20SPEAKERbecause they did such a loving restoration

21:22SPEAKERof next generation in HD

21:23SPEAKERbut then that thing made absolutely no money

21:25SPEAKERso I don't think the Deep Space Nine equivalent

21:27SPEAKERwill ever happen but-- - No, probably not.

21:30SPEAKER- But there are all kinds of like AI efforts ongoing to,

21:33SPEAKERin fact, I think they might be getting close to done.

21:36SPEAKER- Oh, to scale the DVD releases to 1080p so.

21:39SPEAKER- Ooh, that sounds good.

21:40SPEAKER- I fully intend to watch all of Deep Space Nine

21:42SPEAKERand at some point in my life.

21:45SPEAKER- So do you wanna do, do you wanna like alternate on these?

21:48SPEAKERWe each have like six or seven, one, two, three, four, five,

21:50SPEAKEReight. - Yeah, she's kinda jotted down

21:51SPEAKERsome of our favorite episodes that are not the big episodes.

21:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

21:57SPEAKER- Since you've got most of a rewatch pretty fresh in mind,

22:00SPEAKERwe, I mean, I've seen every episode in the series

22:03SPEAKERlike a dozen times.

22:04SPEAKERIt was, I guess the part I left out was kinda like you.

22:07SPEAKERIt was on syndication later in high school for me

22:12SPEAKERat 10 p.m. every night. - Oh, wow.

22:14SPEAKERYeah.

22:15SPEAKER- And the dinky little 13-inch Emerson

22:18SPEAKERthat I had in my bedroom that I won for,

22:21SPEAKERfrom some raffle in junior high.

22:23SPEAKERI watched Star Trek every night before bed

22:26SPEAKERfor years on end.

22:27SPEAKER- It turns out it's a really pleasant way

22:29SPEAKERto like wind down your day.

22:31SPEAKERLike everybody, there's some stuff happens,

22:33SPEAKERthere's something exciting often,

22:35SPEAKERand then there's a moral

22:37SPEAKERand it all wraps up nicely in the end.

22:39SPEAKER- Yeah, and there's, I don't use this term negatively,

22:41SPEAKERbut there's like a slightly sedate quality to it.

22:44SPEAKERLike the tone of the show is always just like fairly low key.

22:47SPEAKERYou know, it's never too grueling in any way,

22:51SPEAKERI guess I would say.

22:52SPEAKERLike it's a nice way to unwind.

22:54SPEAKER- It's unusual that there's an intense episode,

22:57SPEAKERwhich is funny because Netflix has the identifiers

23:00SPEAKERfear and sex on every single episode.

23:03SPEAKER- Of Star Trek The Next Generation?

23:05SPEAKER- Of The Next Generation, yeah.

23:06SPEAKEREveryone is like, it gives the rating

23:09SPEAKERand it's like fear and sex are the identifiers.

23:11SPEAKER- Okay, I just wanted you to repeat that.

23:12SPEAKERI'm going to write this in this document.

23:14SPEAKERWe have a title for this episode now.

23:18SPEAKERAll right, what do you got?

23:20SPEAKER- Okay, so I'm gonna start at the top of my list

23:22SPEAKERwith Conundrum, which is the amnesia episode.

23:25SPEAKER- Hang on, let me guess, because we've written,

23:27SPEAKERwe have ad-libbed our own descriptions

23:29SPEAKERof these episodes in here.

23:30SPEAKERSo I'm just gonna read what you wrote

23:31SPEAKERand then try to pick it out of my memory banks.

23:34SPEAKERConundrum in the amnesia episode.

23:36SPEAKERIs that the one where Riker is doing a play

23:39SPEAKERand he is stuck in multiple layers of unreality?

23:44SPEAKER- No, that one's good too, though.

23:46SPEAKER- Oh, that's a different one?

23:47SPEAKER- That's a different one.

23:48SPEAKERThis is the one where the-

23:49SPEAKER- Oh wait, tell me, I got, hang on.

23:53SPEAKERIs it the one where they all wake up,

23:57SPEAKERlike everybody is blacked out at the same time

24:00SPEAKERon the Enterprise and they all wake up

24:01SPEAKERand like 30 minutes are missing

24:03SPEAKERfrom the chronometer on the ship

24:05SPEAKERand they have to piece together why they're missing time,

24:08SPEAKERwhy everybody's blacked out and why there's missing time.

24:10SPEAKERNo, wow.

24:11SPEAKER- Not that one.

24:12SPEAKER- How many amnesia episodes are there?

24:13SPEAKEROkay, all right, you got me, what do you got?

24:15SPEAKER- Okay, so it's the one where they have the Bajoran,

24:19SPEAKERwhat's her name?

24:21SPEAKER- Rho, Ensign Rho.

24:22SPEAKER- Ensign Rho, and they wake up on the Enterprise

24:25SPEAKERand nobody remembers who they are or what their job is.

24:28SPEAKER- Oh, yes, that one's fantastic.

24:30SPEAKER- And like you're watching the episode

24:32SPEAKERand you're like, "What the fuck is going on?"

24:33SPEAKERThen you realize that there's this other guy

24:34SPEAKERstanding around in the background

24:35SPEAKERwho you've never seen before.

24:36SPEAKER- Right, like a fake crew member.

24:38SPEAKER- Like a fake crew member who sets himself up

24:40SPEAKERto be the captain.

24:41SPEAKER- Right.

24:42SPEAKER- And like his whole, I mean, are we gonna spoil these?

24:47SPEAKERIt's a 20-year-old show at this point.

24:48SPEAKER- Yeah, or yes, it's a very old show at this point.

24:51SPEAKER- So there's gonna be spoilers.

24:52SPEAKER- I have bad news for you also,

24:54SPEAKERbut it is much more than a 20-year-old show.

24:56SPEAKER- Okay, it's a 40-year-old show.

24:57SPEAKER- We are pushing a 40-year-old show from the premiere.

25:02SPEAKER- Oh, wow, so this is the same,

25:03SPEAKERthis is actually, it's been longer between now and TNG

25:06SPEAKERthan it was between TNG and TOS at this point.

25:08SPEAKER- Wow, okay, this is one of those.

25:11SPEAKER- Anyway.

25:12SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a great one.

25:14SPEAKERNobody knows who anybody is,

25:15SPEAKERso they're all like trying to infer

25:16SPEAKERwhat everybody's role on the ship was

25:18SPEAKERbased on just like what they look like

25:20SPEAKERand then what their personality is.

25:22SPEAKER- Exactly, but then it all, the beautiful thing is,

25:26SPEAKERthey're like, all we can do is trust

25:28SPEAKERwhat our inner morality tells us,

25:30SPEAKER'cause that's all they have left about who they were,

25:32SPEAKERand it works out nicely, and they solve the problem,

25:35SPEAKERthey keep the guy from wiping out the other civilization

25:37SPEAKERthat he wants to wipe out,

25:38SPEAKER'cause he basically wants to weaponize the Enterprise

25:41SPEAKERto solve a vendetta or something.

25:44SPEAKERIt's like that part doesn't matter.

25:45SPEAKER- It's an ancient feud between two civilizations who have,

25:48SPEAKERso this is, I wanted to bring this up,

25:50SPEAKERthis is one of my favorite examples

25:51SPEAKERof the ridiculous suspension of disbelief

25:54SPEAKERthat this show requires a lot of the time.

25:57SPEAKERSo it's two ancient, it's two civilizations

25:58SPEAKERwith an ancient feud, an ongoing centuries-old war,

26:03SPEAKERthey have very low technology,

26:05SPEAKERor they have a very limited technology,

26:07SPEAKERlike the Enterprise alone,

26:08SPEAKERthe armament of the Enterprise alone

26:10SPEAKERcould wipe out the entire civilization

26:12SPEAKERthat this guy's civilization is against.

26:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:15SPEAKER- Except for the fact that they apparently have

26:17SPEAKERsuch high technology that they can brainwash

26:20SPEAKERthe entire crew of a starship.

26:22SPEAKER- Well, there's a lot of like,

26:25SPEAKERhey, we're really bad at everything,

26:28SPEAKERbut we're awesome at this one thing.

26:30SPEAKER- Right, we're incredibly bad at making space weapons,

26:33SPEAKERbut we're apparently very good

26:34SPEAKERat making brainwashing technology.

26:36SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

26:38SPEAKER- Anyway, I disagree. - Anyway, I like that one

26:39SPEAKERjust 'cause it's such a role reversal,

26:44SPEAKERand there's an opportunity for some really good performances.

26:47SPEAKERPicard ends up not in charge, obviously.

26:51SPEAKERThe people who are more brash and impulsive

26:53SPEAKERoften end up in charge, and it's just a fun,

26:58SPEAKERit takes these characters that you know and love

27:01SPEAKERand inverts their traditional roles

27:04SPEAKERin a way that's really satisfying and quite good.

27:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I wish I could remember the name

27:10SPEAKERof the one that I brought up where they all black out

27:12SPEAKERand try to figure out why time is missing from the clock,

27:14SPEAKERbecause that one's fantastic too, I won't spoil it.

27:17SPEAKER- There's a couple that are in that similar vein.

27:21SPEAKERUsually there's some sort of deus ex machina,

27:25SPEAKERwhere Data is not affected by whatever virus

27:27SPEAKERis causing the problem or whatever.

27:29SPEAKER- That's exactly that episode.

27:30SPEAKERData knows exactly what happened, but he won't tell them,

27:32SPEAKERand there's fantastic character work

27:34SPEAKERwhere they get increasingly angry at Data

27:36SPEAKERbecause he knows what happened and he won't tell them.

27:39SPEAKER- Well, so I was gonna say the best,

27:41SPEAKERmy favorite thing watching these all in kind of short order

27:44SPEAKERis watching the Brett Spiner performance

27:46SPEAKERover the seven seasons go from like,

27:49SPEAKER"Hey, I'm playing a robot,"

27:50SPEAKERto "Hey, I'm playing a man who's playing a robot,"

27:53SPEAKERto "Hey, I'm playing a person who's developed

27:57SPEAKERthrough these relationships with humans over the years."

27:59SPEAKER- Oh man, we could probably do a whole episode

28:01SPEAKERabout how the personalities evolved from the beginning

28:04SPEAKERthrough the first couple seasons

28:05SPEAKERbefore they really find the characters,

28:07SPEAKERbut Picard is such a huge asshole

28:08SPEAKERfor the first 20 episodes of the show or something.

28:12SPEAKER- I thought that was just 'cause he had an English accent.

28:15SPEAKER- He was a real crotchety,

28:17SPEAKERlike there was no softer side to Jean-Luc Picard

28:20SPEAKERfor most of the first season.

28:22SPEAKER- He was pretty by the book, that's true.

28:25SPEAKER- Yes.

28:27SPEAKERYou wanna say a thing?

28:30SPEAKER- Do it.

28:31SPEAKER- These are in no particular order,

28:32SPEAKERbut I did happen to write "Remember Me" as my first one.

28:35SPEAKER- This is a very good episode.

28:37SPEAKER- It's stealth, one of the best episodes, I think.

28:39SPEAKERIt doesn't get a lot of credit.

28:41SPEAKERI don't know if it's because it's a "Crusher" episode,

28:43SPEAKERone of the very few.

28:45SPEAKER- There's only like three "Crusher" episodes

28:46SPEAKERthat I can think of, really.

28:48SPEAKER- Yes, and one of them involves her having sex

28:50SPEAKERwith a Scottish ghost.

28:52SPEAKER- Look.

28:53SPEAKER- Which is like Sub Rosa is one of the most deplored

28:56SPEAKERepisodes of the entire series.

28:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:59SPEAKER- But this one is fantastic.

29:00SPEAKERShe gets stuck in some kind of physics experiment

29:01SPEAKERthat results in her inhabiting a bubble universe

29:05SPEAKERthat is rapidly collapsing.

29:06SPEAKER- Wesley does it to her.

29:08SPEAKER- Yes, he is doing some kind of like warp bubble experiment

29:11SPEAKERand she gets caught in there.

29:12SPEAKER- Man's own hubris.

29:14SPEAKER- Yes, but I mean, the great thing about that episode,

29:16SPEAKERif you haven't seen it, is that the internal logic

29:18SPEAKERof the universe that she lives in reflects the fact

29:20SPEAKERthat it's shrinking.

29:21SPEAKERSo as it gets smaller and smaller,

29:25SPEAKERlike the size of the observable universe shrinks

29:27SPEAKERto a space of like 30 square or 30 cubic kilometers

29:31SPEAKERor whatever the measurement is.

29:32SPEAKERAnd everybody else who's on the ship

29:34SPEAKERand the ship's computer all think that's completely normal.

29:37SPEAKERLike she's the only one.

29:38SPEAKERSo it's like a real good, am I losing my mind

29:40SPEAKERto kind of psychological study?

29:43SPEAKERBecause it is very much like, you know,

29:48SPEAKERthe crew compliment of the ship shrinks to like 12 people

29:51SPEAKERand Picard acts like that's totally normal.

29:52SPEAKERLike he doesn't see anything wrong with that at all.

29:54SPEAKERAnd she's just like going completely batshit

29:57SPEAKERtrying to figure out what's going on.

29:58SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a couple of episodes that are like that.

30:01SPEAKERThere's one with Riker, the one that you mentioned

30:02SPEAKERwith the play where he's like playing a character

30:05SPEAKERin a mental institution and keeps warping back and forth

30:08SPEAKERbetween that and his job on the Enterprise

30:10SPEAKERand is going slowly mad.

30:11SPEAKERBut I think Remember Me is the best of those, right?

30:15SPEAKER- It's creepy.

30:16SPEAKER- It's really creepy.

30:18SPEAKEREventually the ship starts getting dark.

30:20SPEAKERThey like, they light the sets so they're darker

30:22SPEAKERbecause I guess there's no people around.

30:24SPEAKERI don't know.

30:25SPEAKERIt didn't like, there's no reason, but it's,

30:30SPEAKERand like there's a couple of other episodes

30:32SPEAKERthat are like this where like it's one person

30:35SPEAKERwho has to figure out the whole thing.

30:36SPEAKERLike the one where Picard has to fight the terrorists

30:40SPEAKERwho are trying to steal the Enterprise

30:42SPEAKERwhen they're doing the sweep of the ship

30:44SPEAKERand that's gonna kill whoever's in the ship

30:46SPEAKERat any given time.

30:47SPEAKER- Oh, Starship Mine.

30:49SPEAKER- Starship Mine, that's it.

30:49SPEAKER- That one is super famous.

30:51SPEAKERLike I'm stealing this from a forum conversation

30:55SPEAKERI was reading recently,

30:56SPEAKERbut Jean-Luc Maclean basically, like it's diehard.

30:59SPEAKERIt's diehard on the Enterprise.

31:01SPEAKER- Yeah, but also Gates McFadden does a really good performance

31:05SPEAKERas like, she's trying to hold it together.

31:08SPEAKERAt one point, like the thing I remember from this

31:09SPEAKERis when she's like, hey, computer,

31:12SPEAKERgive me the life sign readout on Jean-Luc Picard

31:17SPEAKERwhen it's only her and him left.

31:19SPEAKER- Right.

31:20SPEAKERShe basically says like, I want a running account

31:22SPEAKERof Jean-Luc Picard's life signs no matter where he is.

31:25SPEAKERI want constant updates on like his heartbeat

31:27SPEAKERand blah, blah, blah.

31:28SPEAKERAnd then yes, there's that moment

31:29SPEAKERwhere the computer just stops reading out his life signs

31:32SPEAKERand it's like so chilling.

31:34SPEAKER- And it's, yeah, it's as creepy as any like X-Files or-

31:38SPEAKER- It's very Twilight Zone.

31:40SPEAKER- It is very, like the best of these for me

31:42SPEAKERwere the ones that feel like a Twilight Zone.

31:44SPEAKERThey could have been a Twilight Zone episode, right?

31:46SPEAKER- Absolutely, yes.

31:49SPEAKER- Tapestry is one of my faves.

31:52SPEAKER- It's a classic.

31:54SPEAKER- I wrote it's the one where Q makes Picard a wuss.

31:57SPEAKER- Yeah, that's one way to look at it.

31:58SPEAKER- But it's the one where,

32:01SPEAKERit's the one for me where Q becomes a character

32:05SPEAKERthat's not just a, like, this is the one,

32:07SPEAKERthis is the one that's about the Q and Picard relationship

32:10SPEAKERfor the first time,

32:10SPEAKERrather than Q being an antagonist necessarily.

32:13SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

32:14SPEAKER- 'Cause it's kind of, it's a wonderful life.

32:16SPEAKERLike Picard is dying on a table

32:20SPEAKERbecause of a poor choice he made 40, 50 years ago

32:23SPEAKERwhen he was a youth.

32:24SPEAKERAnd Picard, Q was like,

32:29SPEAKERhey, if you could change the decision, would you?

32:31SPEAKERAnd he's like, absolutely, yeah, I would.

32:32SPEAKERThe decision is he got in a bar fight with some aliens

32:35SPEAKERwho stabbed him and caused him to get an artificial heart

32:36SPEAKERthat was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

32:38SPEAKERDoesn't matter.

32:39SPEAKERBut the upshot is he goes back and relives his past choices.

32:42SPEAKERHe tells somebody he cared about that he loved them.

32:44SPEAKERHe doesn't get in the fight and it completely changes.

32:48SPEAKERHe comes back to the future enterprise

32:51SPEAKERas like a lower-decks C-tier function, stooge.

32:55SPEAKERAnd he's like, oh wow, yeah, okay, maybe I should.

32:58SPEAKERMaybe the decisions I made were good in retrospect.

33:00SPEAKERMaybe they may be the person I am today.

33:02SPEAKER- Yeah, without that brush with death,

33:04SPEAKERhe had no ambition, no respect for anything.

33:06SPEAKERAnd he just sort of drifted through life and became, yes,

33:09SPEAKERa middle level science officer

33:10SPEAKERwith nothing much to show for himself.

33:14SPEAKER- I'm noticing a theme in my choices, I guess.

33:18SPEAKER- Yes, I guess you're right though.

33:20SPEAKERLike you're right about like the Q situation.

33:22SPEAKERLike there is almost a backwards affection

33:24SPEAKERfor Picard from Q in that episode.

33:26SPEAKER- Well, this is, and that was the thing I hadn't noticed

33:29SPEAKERin, I mean, I didn't know that

33:31SPEAKER'cause I didn't watch the last three seasons

33:32SPEAKERbefore two and a half seasons.

33:35SPEAKERBut yeah, like Q as the,

33:38SPEAKERthere's also a lot of like civilizations out being elevated,

33:42SPEAKERlike lifting to the ethereal plane or whatever.

33:46SPEAKERAnd yeah, that is one of the themes I think

33:51SPEAKERacross the whole season, the whole run.

33:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:59SPEAKER- My next episode, I wrote the offspring.

34:02SPEAKERThis is by no means a comprehensive list.

34:04SPEAKERI literally were just from memory.

34:05SPEAKERLike I was just like,

34:06SPEAKERwhat are some lesser known episodes I want to talk about?

34:08SPEAKERThere are probably a ton that I'm missing here.

34:11SPEAKERIt's the one-

34:12SPEAKER- Is this the Data's daughter one?

34:13SPEAKER- Yes, Data creates a child for himself.

34:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:17SPEAKER- That's one of the main conceits of the show

34:19SPEAKERis that Data was invented by like a mad scientist genius

34:22SPEAKERwho then disappeared.

34:24SPEAKERAnd like nobody else knows how to construct it.

34:25SPEAKERLike it's impossible to construct a positronic brain

34:28SPEAKERlike Data has, they can't mass produce them.

34:30SPEAKERSo he's like one of a kind,

34:31SPEAKERbut he attempts to make a child in the mold of his own

34:34SPEAKERkind of cybernetic brain.

34:35SPEAKER- Plant him, yeah.

34:37SPEAKER- Kind of, but it doesn't go well.

34:39SPEAKERLike it's a very, it's a very touching episode to me.

34:42SPEAKERLike he allows the child to choose its own gender

34:45SPEAKERand appearance and name.

34:48SPEAKERDoes she get to pick her name or does he?

34:49SPEAKERNo, he, I think he names-

34:51SPEAKER- I think he names her, I can't remember.

34:53SPEAKER- But he allows her to choose like what she looks like

34:55SPEAKERand her gender and stuff like that.

34:56SPEAKERBut like, it's pretty touching and right up until the end

35:00SPEAKERwhen like, you know, it becomes clear

35:02SPEAKERthat he did not implement the positronic matrix

35:04SPEAKERin the right way and she doesn't make it.

35:09SPEAKERAnd I have seen a surprising number of people

35:13SPEAKERsay that they think this episode is cheesy.

35:16SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

35:17SPEAKER- I don't get that at all.

35:18SPEAKERI'm like, how hollow inside are you?

35:20SPEAKERLike that episode ends with his child dying in his arms

35:24SPEAKERand saying, thank you for my life.

35:26SPEAKER- To me, the saddest part of the whole thing though,

35:28SPEAKERis that he's like, I don't have feelings, so I can't,

35:31SPEAKERlike, he's not actively sad.

35:33SPEAKER- Yeah, right.

35:34SPEAKERLike he literally says- - He seems remorseful, maybe?

35:36SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

35:38SPEAKERThat's another one of those interesting examples

35:41SPEAKERof they couldn't figure out where the line was

35:43SPEAKERon Data's level of emotion.

35:45SPEAKEROr they were not consistent with it from episode to episode,

35:48SPEAKERespecially early on of deciding exactly

35:51SPEAKERhow much he could feel.

35:52SPEAKERYeah, you're right.

35:53SPEAKERHe intellectually feels remorse that she died,

35:57SPEAKERbut he straight up says that he basically can't feel

35:59SPEAKERanything from it, you know?

36:01SPEAKER- Like he misses her presence from a, like,

36:07SPEAKERit's a weird line.

36:09SPEAKERHe talks about it later in the series too,

36:12SPEAKER'cause at some point he's having a conversation

36:13SPEAKERwith somebody else about,

36:15SPEAKERwhen he meets his mom, actually.

36:17SPEAKERWhen he meets- - Oh, that's such a great one.

36:19SPEAKERI didn't write that one down. - Sing's mom, ex-wife.

36:22SPEAKER- Yeah, he's talking, he's telling her about that,

36:26SPEAKERand she's really sad.

36:28SPEAKER- Okay.

36:29SPEAKER- And then he's like, well, I didn't actually feel anything,

36:31SPEAKERbut I do miss her.

36:32SPEAKERI do miss the conversation,

36:34SPEAKERbeing able to talk to her and have a conversation

36:36SPEAKERand all that.

36:37SPEAKER- I think this was the moment that I just decided

36:39SPEAKERthat we have conceived the "Impossible" episode,

36:41SPEAKERbecause the more we talk about this,

36:42SPEAKERthe more I'm just gonna try to add more episodes,

36:44SPEAKERand this will never end.

36:45SPEAKERLike, the one with Data's mom,

36:49SPEAKERall over the Moriarty episodes,

36:51SPEAKERlike, I just, there are so many that I just wanna sit here.

36:56SPEAKER- Can I just, so I don't,

36:59SPEAKERthe second Moriarty episode

37:01SPEAKERwas like a huge disappointment for me, because-

37:04SPEAKER- Is that the one where he escapes the holodeck?

37:06SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the one where he escapes the holodeck, but-

37:08SPEAKER- You don't like that one?

37:09SPEAKER- Okay.

37:10SPEAKER- Oh man, it's one of my favorites.

37:12SPEAKER- Brad, the holodeck breaks,

37:15SPEAKERthe only time we ever see the holodeck

37:16SPEAKERis when it's breaking.

37:18SPEAKER- Yeah, sure. - Or if it's killing

37:19SPEAKERsome fake guys. - Uh-huh, yeah.

37:22SPEAKERSome rubber mask aliens.

37:23SPEAKER- I don't think the holodeck's a safe technology, Brad.

37:25SPEAKER- No, it's not.

37:27SPEAKER- No, I think they should maybe think about, you know,

37:29SPEAKERmaybe turn that thing off, put a racquetball court in there.

37:32SPEAKER- If you had access to a holodeck,

37:34SPEAKERknowing what you know about the holodeck,

37:36SPEAKERwould you really be able to resist using it?

37:38SPEAKERLike, come on. - I would play God.

37:40SPEAKER- Seriously. - Yeah.

37:42SPEAKER- They know, look, they know damn well

37:44SPEAKERhow effed up the holodeck is,

37:46SPEAKERbut the holodeck is so rad, who would be able to resist?

37:49SPEAKER- The Moriarty thing is kind of a horror story,

37:52SPEAKERif you think about it from Moriarty's perspective,

37:53SPEAKER'cause even though he's the villain,

37:56SPEAKERhe's the nemesis for Data,

38:01SPEAKERhe's basically living in stasis

38:03SPEAKERfor hundreds of years at a time, his perception.

38:07SPEAKERIt seems awful.

38:07SPEAKER- Yeah, no body, just formless consciousness.

38:11SPEAKER- No, okay, here's one I had never heard of before

38:15SPEAKERthat I hadn't seen on any of the best lists, Genesis.

38:19SPEAKER- Man, I was mind blown that you wrote Genesis down on here.

38:25SPEAKER- Okay, so I didn't know what to expect any of this.

38:28SPEAKERIt's a late season in a time

38:31SPEAKERwhen the episodes were real up and down,

38:33SPEAKERbut it's the one where they get infected with a virus

38:37SPEAKERthat causes everybody to reverse mutate back to some,

38:41SPEAKERlike Worf gets a chitinous exoskeleton

38:44SPEAKERand becomes a horrible killing machine.

38:47SPEAKERLike everybody turns into a spider.

38:49SPEAKER- Yes, everybody starts reverting

38:50SPEAKERinto like more primitive life forms

38:52SPEAKERfrom whatever biology was on their home planet.

38:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I think Picard becomes a Neanderthal

38:58SPEAKER'cause he's French, maybe, I don't know.

39:00SPEAKER- Sure, I think somebody turns into a lemur, I'm not sure.

39:03SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a lot of, look,

39:05SPEAKERthere's a lot of real good prosthetic makeup in business,

39:08SPEAKERand also Gates McFadden directed that one,

39:10SPEAKERwhich I did not know. - I did not know, that's cool.

39:11SPEAKER- Yeah, but it's got that same kind of like,

39:15SPEAKERhey, something's gone.

39:17SPEAKERWell, I think that's also the one

39:19SPEAKERthat has the good bit about Picard

39:20SPEAKERnot wanting to go do some like function,

39:23SPEAKERlike one of the recurring themes that I love about Picard

39:26SPEAKERis he doesn't like doing official shit.

39:27SPEAKERLike he doesn't like going to admirals meetings

39:29SPEAKERand dinners and stuff like that.

39:31SPEAKER- He just wants to space fare, he does not want a glad hand.

39:34SPEAKER- He's an explorer, man, he's gotta be out there, right?

39:37SPEAKER- That's right.

39:38SPEAKERBut yeah, that one's a banger and the makeup,

39:43SPEAKERlike the monster makeup and stuff that they did,

39:44SPEAKERclearly they had to like scrimp and save

39:46SPEAKERon some later episode in that season,

39:48SPEAKERor maybe at that point Paramount was just like,

39:49SPEAKERhey man, last season, here's all the money we have left,

39:52SPEAKERlet her rip, 'cause it was really well done.

39:55SPEAKERIt was really awesome practical makeup

39:56SPEAKERon a ton of different, like a bazillion characters, so.

39:59SPEAKER- I think where you wrote in this doc

40:01SPEAKERas the description here,

40:02SPEAKERGates McFadden directed a monster movie episode,

40:04SPEAKERlike that description I think makes me come around

40:06SPEAKERon that episode a little bit,

40:07SPEAKER'cause I always thought of it as being pretty cheesy,

40:09SPEAKERbut I get it when you put it that way.

40:13SPEAKER- Well, like, look, it's an episode

40:15SPEAKERthat 14-year-old me would have been pissed off about,

40:17SPEAKERbecause it didn't have, there were no Borg or Klingons

40:21SPEAKERor Romulans or Ferengi or Pakleds or like any,

40:26SPEAKERlike it was not, it was an X-Files episode

40:29SPEAKERthat was a Star Trek episode, right?

40:31SPEAKER- Very much so.

40:32SPEAKER- But coming into it now, I super loved it,

40:34SPEAKERI was really thrilled.

40:35SPEAKERNow, "Reunion" is one that I wrote.

40:39SPEAKERIs that actually the Scotty episode?

40:40SPEAKERI didn't even look that up.

40:42SPEAKERAt some point I realized I'm not quite the kind of person

40:45SPEAKERwho can recite every episode's title in order, but-

40:48SPEAKER- That's probably best.

40:50SPEAKER- At some point I realized that I am moving

40:52SPEAKERin that direction of being able to just identify

40:54SPEAKERmore and more episodes by name,

40:56SPEAKERwhich you tell me if that's a good thing or not.

40:58SPEAKERLet me, let me triple check that it's-

41:00SPEAKER- "Reunion" is the cool one,

41:01SPEAKER'cause it's the first time we see like a mega structure

41:05SPEAKERin space in Star Trek.

41:07SPEAKER- I think I, no, I screwed up.

41:08SPEAKERWow, I'm glad I fact checked that.

41:09SPEAKER"Reunion" is a Klingon episode.

41:13SPEAKER- Oh, is that the one,

41:15SPEAKERthat's the one where he goes and meets the, his brother.

41:20SPEAKER- Maybe?

41:21SPEAKERI saw that Kalar, the mother of Alexander is involved.

41:24SPEAKERI just skimmed real fast.

41:25SPEAKERI can't, wow, I kind of swore "Reunion"

41:28SPEAKERwas the Scotty episode.

41:28SPEAKERI don't remember which, not hard to find.

41:32SPEAKERHang on.

41:33SPEAKER- No, it's fine.

41:34SPEAKER- I have the power of the internet at my fingertips.

41:36SPEAKERRelics, I knew that.

41:37SPEAKER- Relics, that makes sense.

41:39SPEAKER- Relics, not "Reunion."

41:41SPEAKERThat episode is so cool for so many reasons.

41:44SPEAKERLike for me, just space science nerd perspective,

41:49SPEAKERthere is, I don't even know where to start.

41:51SPEAKERLike conceptually, there's the cool part

41:54SPEAKERwhere Scotty crash landed and the rest of his crew died.

41:57SPEAKERAnd the only way he was able to keep himself alive

41:59SPEAKERfor 75 years was, of course, it's Scotty.

42:01SPEAKERHe rigged up some insane pattern buffer loop

42:04SPEAKERin the transporter and suspended himself in the transporter

42:08SPEAKERfor 75 years until he was found.

42:11SPEAKERWas there a friend?

42:13SPEAKER- There was a second person who didn't make it.

42:14SPEAKER- Oh, right, yes, that's right.

42:16SPEAKERYes, and he's very sad about that.

42:17SPEAKERThere's also a Dyson sphere.

42:18SPEAKERLike there's also just straight up,

42:20SPEAKERlike here is a classical science fiction concept

42:23SPEAKERrendered on screen in a really nice way.

42:25SPEAKERLike that's very cool.

42:26SPEAKERDyson sphere is a gigantic,

42:28SPEAKERit's a gigantic artificial shell built around a star.

42:30SPEAKERIf you don't, if people don't know.

42:32SPEAKER- Yeah, hard, it's all the power of the star, you know,

42:34SPEAKERbecause it's for technology, yada yada.

42:37SPEAKER- There's all that, but then there's also,

42:38SPEAKERthere's the emotional component of that episode

42:40SPEAKERis amazing of like, it's an exploration of a guy

42:44SPEAKERwho was way past his prime and old and feeling useless

42:46SPEAKERand you know, and also everything he knows is gone.

42:50SPEAKERLike everyone he knows is gone.

42:51SPEAKERLike that scene where they recreate

42:54SPEAKERthe original enterprise bridge on the Holocaust.

42:57SPEAKERSee, here's a perfect example

42:58SPEAKERof the holodeck proving it's worth.

43:00SPEAKERThey recreate.

43:01SPEAKER- This one was good, yes.

43:02SPEAKER- They recreate the original enterprise bridge

43:04SPEAKERon the holodeck and it's like an amazingly touching scene

43:07SPEAKERwith him and Geordi there.

43:10SPEAKERAlso fun fact.

43:11SPEAKER- Have they just made a movie or something?

43:12SPEAKERThey just made it, is that when like Star Trek six came out

43:15SPEAKERand that's why they had original enterprise bridge around?

43:17SPEAKER- No, I was literally about to say a fun fact.

43:19SPEAKERIf I'm not mistaken, that bridge they used

43:21SPEAKERwas a fan's recreation of that bridge.

43:23SPEAKERIf I'm not mistaken, I think that's right.

43:30SPEAKERI could try to fact check that.

43:32SPEAKER- There's a couple of places when I was reading,

43:34SPEAKERwhen I was doing some reading for this episode,

43:35SPEAKERthere's a couple of places I think the episode one,

43:37SPEAKERthe season one finale started out as a fan script

43:40SPEAKERbecause it was coming into the writer's strike

43:43SPEAKERand they needed a quick script to record before.

43:47SPEAKER- They kind of semi took spec scripts

43:51SPEAKERif I'm not mistaken early on.

43:53SPEAKERLike that's how some of the writers for the show,

43:55SPEAKERthe permanent writers got on board was straight up

43:57SPEAKERjust submitting their own pet scripts.

44:00SPEAKER- Yeah, it's bonkers.

44:01SPEAKERThey'll probably the last time that could have happened.

44:03SPEAKER- Yeah, real quick.

44:04SPEAKERSo I guess that enterprise bridge set was constructed

44:08SPEAKERfor the episode, but some of the elements

44:09SPEAKERlike the captain's chair were provided by a fan

44:11SPEAKERwho had built his own replicas.

44:13SPEAKER- That's amazing.

44:14SPEAKER- Just wild stuff, but that's a great touching episode.

44:17SPEAKER- And it's also like watching it on the remastered version,

44:21SPEAKERthe colors are so bright and delightful compared to

44:25SPEAKERlike A, the way you remember the TOS stuff,

44:28SPEAKERbut B, how everything on the D era enterprise looks.

44:33SPEAKERIt was really cool.

44:34SPEAKER- It's very 80s.

44:35SPEAKERCan I just say really quick,

44:36SPEAKERdo you ever, does there anything ever happen to you

44:37SPEAKERwhere you feel like if there is a divine power out there

44:41SPEAKERthat it decided at one point

44:42SPEAKERthat it was going to look out for you briefly?

44:44SPEAKERBecause that's how I feel about the fact

44:45SPEAKERthat that TNG HD remaster got done.

44:49SPEAKER- Specifically in retrospect,

44:52SPEAKERknowing that it was like gigantic financial failure,

44:54SPEAKERlike it did not make money.

44:57SPEAKER- No.

44:58SPEAKER- Which basically ensures this will never happen again

45:01SPEAKERwith another Star Trek series,

45:02SPEAKERbut they just happened to do it

45:03SPEAKERwith the one that I cared about the most.

45:05SPEAKER- I don't know, I feel like the economics of streaming

45:09SPEAKERmight actually change that.

45:11SPEAKER- I guess that's possible, never say never.

45:13SPEAKER- Yeah, Paramount Plus like think about the likelihood

45:18SPEAKERof extracting like, so those TNG remasters,

45:21SPEAKERthe problem with them was they were too damn expensive.

45:24SPEAKERLike if they had been,

45:25SPEAKERif they had priced them more reasonably,

45:26SPEAKERI think more people would have bought them.

45:29SPEAKER- Yes, they were at the time that they came out,

45:31SPEAKERthey were extreme.

45:32SPEAKERGod, what were they like 60, $70 a season?

45:34SPEAKER- 50 or 60 bucks a season or something?

45:36SPEAKER- Like granted it's a lot of runtime,

45:38SPEAKERbut that's a lot of money for seven seasons.

45:41SPEAKER- Yeah, that was the, anyway.

45:44SPEAKER- I never bought them.

45:45SPEAKERI've always just watched them on Netflix over and over,

45:47SPEAKERbut you can get the full run of the HD remake,

45:50SPEAKERkind of redo in one box set for like $170 now.

45:54SPEAKERI keep meaning to pick one up.

45:56SPEAKER- That seems like it would be worth,

45:57SPEAKERthat seems like it would be worth,

45:58SPEAKERI would pay 100 bucks for that happily.

46:00SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause all the seasons have making ofs

46:01SPEAKERand commentaries on the episodes and stuff,

46:03SPEAKERlike a lot of nice special features

46:05SPEAKERthat I would like to have.

46:06SPEAKER- I didn't know that.

46:07SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

46:08SPEAKER- Do they have like Ronald Moore doing commentaries

46:09SPEAKERand stuff like that?

46:10SPEAKER- Probably, I would assume.

46:12SPEAKERLike he definitely wrote some of the best episodes

46:14SPEAKERof that series, but also just people will know

46:16SPEAKERabout the production process on that HD remake is amazing.

46:21SPEAKERI would watch a whole documentary about that,

46:23SPEAKERlike they had to-

46:24SPEAKER- I think there, I feel like there was one.

46:26SPEAKER- I know there are some behind the scenes

46:27SPEAKERon those box sets that I have not seen,

46:29SPEAKERbut like they had to go into the warehouse

46:31SPEAKERand find the original film elements

46:33SPEAKERthat they shot the show on

46:34SPEAKERand recomposite and re-edit everything.

46:38SPEAKER- Well yeah, they recreated the VFX digitally,

46:41SPEAKER'cause I think the problem was

46:43SPEAKERthat the show was shot on film,

46:44SPEAKERbut the VFX were all done on video.

46:47SPEAKER- All the VFX and compositing and final editing

46:50SPEAKERwere all done on video.

46:50SPEAKERThe original film elements are 35 millimeter,

46:54SPEAKERbut yeah, so they had to redo the entire show from scratch.

46:56SPEAKERIt's amazing.

47:00SPEAKER- Let's see, should we do cause and effect next?

47:03SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:04SPEAKER- That's the time loop.

47:06SPEAKERI think that's the one that the cold open

47:09SPEAKERis basically Riker yelling red alert,

47:12SPEAKERsome bad stuff happening and the ship blowing up.

47:14SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's a great one.

47:15SPEAKERAnd then you see the ship keeps blowing up

47:18SPEAKER'cause they're stuck in a Mobius loop.

47:21SPEAKER- Yes.

47:22SPEAKER- They're stuck in a Mobius loop and they,

47:25SPEAKERthe same thing keeps playing out over and over.

47:27SPEAKERThey keep trying to figure out why the ship is exploding.

47:30SPEAKER- But they all get deja vu.

47:32SPEAKER- Right, but they never reuse the same footage

47:34SPEAKERof the disaster and the ship exploding.

47:36SPEAKERYou always see it from like a different angle

47:38SPEAKERand a different perspective.

47:39SPEAKEREvery time it happens, it's really well done.

47:42SPEAKER- It's a Jonathan Frakes directed one also.

47:45SPEAKER- And that's another fun one, another fun,

47:47SPEAKERlike oh, Data has got some special advantage here.

47:50SPEAKERSomething about Data's internal positronic chronometer

47:54SPEAKERhappens to maintain some record

47:56SPEAKERof what happened in each loop or something.

47:58SPEAKERIt's very space magic.

48:00SPEAKER- I think about all of the starships in the Federation

48:03SPEAKERthat don't have data on board them

48:05SPEAKERand how many of them just must blow up unexpectedly

48:08SPEAKERout of nowhere.

48:09SPEAKER- Everybody should have a Data.

48:11SPEAKERI mean, look, there's an episode about that

48:13SPEAKERthat we said we weren't gonna talk about.

48:14SPEAKER- Yes, you're right.

48:15SPEAKERYou're absolutely right.

48:17SPEAKERYeah, that's a great one.

48:18SPEAKERThat's just a fun science gimmick one for me.

48:23SPEAKER- For me, it's again, it's another one of those like,

48:26SPEAKERhey, here's the hard sci-fi episode of the week kind of.

48:28SPEAKER- Totally, totally.

48:29SPEAKER- And like, just to be clear, like the, I don't know,

48:33SPEAKERwatching these kind of like the worst slash best part

48:36SPEAKERof Star Trek is when they're saying

48:37SPEAKERa bunch of absolute nonsense.

48:40SPEAKERAnd like, they're dead, like respect to the performers

48:45SPEAKERbecause like, clearly they took the time

48:48SPEAKERto learn the inner language of Star Trek.

48:51SPEAKERAnd like, there's no, like they're not playing for camp.

48:55SPEAKERThey're playing it a hundred percent straight.

48:56SPEAKERLike it's like talking about Jeffrey's tubes

48:59SPEAKERand fucking flux capacitors or whatever

49:02SPEAKERis the most serious nonsense in the world.

49:04SPEAKER- I saw linear optical chips.

49:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:07SPEAKER- Yeah, but because they play it straight, it works.

49:11SPEAKER- Yes, the writers and the actors both do a fantastic job

49:14SPEAKERof selling all the technobabble for sure.

49:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:18SPEAKER- I wrote down the survivors,

49:19SPEAKERwhich is not necessarily like a top 10 for me or anything,

49:22SPEAKERbut it's the one in I think season three

49:23SPEAKERwhere they come upon a Federation colony

49:27SPEAKERthat has been like scoured clean

49:28SPEAKERexcept for one like very perfect, tidy plot of land.

49:32SPEAKERIt's got like-

49:33SPEAKER- Oh, the square, yeah, yeah.

49:34SPEAKER- Like literally they see it from orbit.

49:35SPEAKERLike there's one square of nice like green front yard

49:38SPEAKERand a nice little house

49:39SPEAKERand a couple and an elderly couple living there

49:41SPEAKERand everything around them is a devastation.

49:43SPEAKERAnd they have to, they have to unpack what happened

49:46SPEAKERand the elderly couple won't say and spoiler.

49:49SPEAKER- It's a mystery.

49:50SPEAKER- It is kind of a mystery one and spoiler,

49:52SPEAKERI guess we're just spoiling stuff.

49:55SPEAKERThe husband is a Supreme being.

49:57SPEAKERHe is like a God, essentially.

50:00SPEAKER- Somebody who's ascended, right?

50:01SPEAKER- I don't, they don't get into his origin.

50:03SPEAKERLike they don't even say, oh, he's a Q.

50:05SPEAKERLike that's one of the great things about it

50:06SPEAKERis they don't bother to explain it 'cause who cares?

50:08SPEAKERLike it's just assumed that he is an omnipotent being,

50:11SPEAKERbut he had fallen in love with a human woman

50:14SPEAKERand married her and lived as a human in this colony

50:18SPEAKERand a marauding evil alien species came

50:21SPEAKERand attacked their colony.

50:23SPEAKERHis wife was killed in this attack

50:27SPEAKERand in a moment of anger,

50:28SPEAKERlike it's a really well done performance.

50:29SPEAKERI don't know who the actor is,

50:30SPEAKERbut he delivers this scene, this line incredibly well.

50:34SPEAKERLike in a moment of like blind anger,

50:36SPEAKERbecause he can do whatever he wants with a thought,

50:39SPEAKERhe eradicates the entirety of this alien species

50:41SPEAKERin one moment.

50:43SPEAKERLike he literally wipes an entire alien species

50:46SPEAKERfrom existence in like blind rage.

50:48SPEAKERAnd like the whole rest of the episode

50:50SPEAKERis this like morality play about like, what do you do here?

50:54SPEAKERLike he has committed a crime on an unimaginable scale,

51:00SPEAKERbut also there's nothing you can do to him.

51:03SPEAKERYou know, he's very remorseful about the whole thing.

51:05SPEAKERIt's just like, it's a situation with no solution, right?

51:10SPEAKERIt's just-

51:11SPEAKERIt's like a kid with an anthill.

51:13SPEAKEROr kind of, yes.

51:14SPEAKERLike a kid who pours water in an anthill or something.

51:16SPEAKERRight.

51:17SPEAKERIt's funny, this one didn't stick with me a whole lot,

51:20SPEAKERbut that guy is maybe the scariest villain

51:22SPEAKERin all of this series.

51:23SPEAKERI don't know if I call him a villain.

51:25SPEAKERI mean, obviously what he did was incredibly monstrous,

51:27SPEAKERbut he realizes it.

51:29SPEAKERLike also, you know, it just occurred to me

51:30SPEAKERthat I guess they don't unpack the idea

51:32SPEAKERthat couldn't he just restore them all to existence

51:34SPEAKERif he's basically a god.

51:36SPEAKERI don't know.

51:37SPEAKERCouldn't he have stopped the attack in the first place?

51:38SPEAKERWas he taking a nap?

51:40SPEAKERI think, I want to say they address that,

51:43SPEAKERthat maybe he had like committed to living

51:45SPEAKERas an actual human and not using his powers.

51:47SPEAKEROh yeah, the man of steel.

51:50SPEAKERSo actually, I think that's what makes the moral aspect

51:53SPEAKERof this episode work is that he was like a staunch pacifist.

51:56SPEAKERLike he's a god, but he's like he,

52:00SPEAKERlike they ask him, like, why didn't you just stop the attack?

52:03SPEAKERAnd he was like, I could not bring myself to kill.

52:05SPEAKERLike I will not kill,

52:07SPEAKERexcept in that moment of weakness, he killed all of them.

52:09SPEAKERIt's like, it's a really uncomfortable idea.

52:12SPEAKERDid he kill them or did he make them never exist?

52:14SPEAKEROr I think he just like, literally just,

52:16SPEAKERit was kind of like snap his fingers

52:17SPEAKERand they're just, they no longer exist kind of thing.

52:19SPEAKERThanos sitch.

52:20SPEAKERKind of, yes.

52:21SPEAKERBut like, but he's like supremely remorseful about it.

52:24SPEAKERSo it's like a, you know, and there is no conclusion.

52:26SPEAKERThere's like nothing they can do at the end of the episode

52:28SPEAKERother than say like, well, this sucks.

52:32SPEAKERIt's a hard thing to describe because like,

52:34SPEAKERyou're just left with this uneasy feeling basically.

52:38SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's funny.

52:40SPEAKER'Cause there are a handful of those,

52:42SPEAKERlike everything doesn't wrap up nicely episodes that are,

52:44SPEAKERI mean, there's a bunch of cliffhangers and nonsense,

52:46SPEAKERyou know, TV nonsense, but yeah, like it is an ambiguous,

52:54SPEAKERit does wrap up ambiguously.

52:56SPEAKERI think I fell asleep during this one.

52:57SPEAKERI maybe didn't see Brad.

52:59SPEAKER- It is very much a morality play of the week episode

53:02SPEAKERfor sure.

53:03SPEAKERAnd it's kind of slow 'cause it is sort of an investigation.

53:06SPEAKER- I like the investigation ones.

53:08SPEAKERLike there's a handful of like, hey, there's a station,

53:13SPEAKERthe one where this isn't on the list,

53:15SPEAKERI don't remember what the name is,

53:17SPEAKERbut the one where there's like an outpost

53:18SPEAKERand there's two people on it and then there's a murder

53:20SPEAKERand you have to figure out who,

53:21SPEAKERthey have to figure out who did the murder is very good.

53:24SPEAKER- So the one where they use the holodeck

53:25SPEAKERto recreate the crime scene.

53:27SPEAKER- I think so.

53:28SPEAKERAnd it's also the one with the little robots

53:29SPEAKERthat are just like an octagonal box with feet.

53:32SPEAKER- That sounds great.

53:33SPEAKER- Like the floating robots that become sentient, I think.

53:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:36SPEAKER- Anyway.

53:37SPEAKER- There are a lot of great ones that we will not get to here.

53:40SPEAKER- There are, let's see, I was surprised by a season one,

53:44SPEAKERa rare season one banger conspiracy.

53:46SPEAKER- Oh, conspiracy is a classic.

53:49SPEAKER- Like, which is like, it's like such a,

53:51SPEAKERit sets up this amazing thread.

53:52SPEAKERHey, there's an alien species, they're like soul suckers,

53:55SPEAKERthey're taking over Starfleet personnel, yada, yada, yada.

53:58SPEAKERAnd then it all wraps up nicely at the end of the hour

54:02SPEAKERand there's no problems.

54:03SPEAKER- Well, it does accept they imply that it very much doesn't.

54:05SPEAKERLike that actually, that episode ends

54:07SPEAKERon a really chilling shot of space, basically saying like,

54:12SPEAKERit's like, it's basically this parasitic bug organism

54:15SPEAKERthat crawls up inside people's ears

54:17SPEAKERand takes over their brain stems or whatever.

54:19SPEAKER- It's very Wrath of Khan.

54:21SPEAKER- And this conspiracy, this mind control has gone

54:25SPEAKERthrough the highest levels of Starfleet

54:26SPEAKERand they think that they have dealt with it on the ground,

54:28SPEAKERbut they also at the end realized that these bugs

54:33SPEAKERhave been sending a signal into space

54:37SPEAKERand it's very much like, well,

54:38SPEAKERdid the rest of them hear the signal?

54:40SPEAKERAre they coming?

54:41SPEAKERAnd they never get back to it.

54:42SPEAKER- Turns out, no, they are not coming.

54:44SPEAKER- They dropped the thread,

54:45SPEAKERbut it could have been an interesting, it's very creepy.

54:49SPEAKERAlso, I haven't confirmed this.

54:51SPEAKERI was reading that this was potentially going to be

54:55SPEAKERlike a plot thread set up for later in the series

54:57SPEAKERthat they were playing around with the idea

54:59SPEAKERof like an all powerful threat

55:00SPEAKERthat would pop back up over and over

55:01SPEAKERand that this could have become the Borg

55:04SPEAKERbefore they knew what the Borg were gonna be,

55:06SPEAKERbefore they had decided on space techno zombies,

55:08SPEAKERthey were like, maybe our recurring threat

55:11SPEAKERwill be these parasitic space bugs instead,

55:13SPEAKERbut they didn't go with that.

55:14SPEAKER- The Borg are much scarier than the space bugs, I think.

55:17SPEAKER- Definitely more iconic.

55:18SPEAKERI think the Borg are incredibly iconic.

55:20SPEAKERThe gore, the level of gore in this episode though

55:23SPEAKERis kind of amazing because they like literally phaser a guy

55:26SPEAKERuntil he explodes into a shower of meat chunks.

55:30SPEAKER- Like there's a lingering shot on like the dude's remnants

55:34SPEAKERof his torso in the captain's chair, it's messed up.

55:37SPEAKER- Yes, there's a giant ugly prosthetic like rubber bug

55:40SPEAKERcoming out of what's left of his torso.

55:42SPEAKERIt's like shockingly gory.

55:44SPEAKER- Yeah, it's another monster of the week though.

55:47SPEAKER- Yeah, it could have been a lot more though.

55:49SPEAKERI think it is more than that.

55:50SPEAKERI think the sense of dread, the creeping dread of it,

55:54SPEAKERit runs deeper than a monster of the week

55:55SPEAKERand they could have made it a recurring thing,

55:57SPEAKERbut they didn't.

55:58SPEAKER- Well, it's also the first time,

55:59SPEAKERand I don't like knowing what I know

56:01SPEAKERabout where Star Trek went after this,

56:02SPEAKERI don't know how I feel about it now,

56:04SPEAKERbut it's also the first time that there's a hint

56:06SPEAKERthat maybe Starfleet Command is not entirely on the,

56:09SPEAKERlike it's the first time there's conflict

56:11SPEAKERbetween the Enterprise and Starfleet Command.

56:13SPEAKER- Yes, and then that becomes just sort of

56:15SPEAKERlike the status quo later in the episode.

56:19SPEAKERLike anytime an admiral from Starfleet pops up,

56:22SPEAKERyou know they're gonna be an asshole

56:23SPEAKERor incompetent or both.

56:25SPEAKER- Yeah, and that's a vibe that they take forward

56:29SPEAKERinto even like the JJ-verse movies

56:33SPEAKERin a way that kind of bums me out.

56:35SPEAKERAnd I think like all the Sector 23 or 16 or whatever,

56:39SPEAKERI can't remember which one it is,

56:41SPEAKERbut all the bits about like the underlying secret society

56:45SPEAKERin Starfleet that like does what has to be taken,

56:48SPEAKERthey do whatever it takes.

56:49SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I think that's very much

56:50SPEAKERa Deep Space Nine thing as well.

56:53SPEAKER- Yeah, seems, I think that's where it kind of picked up.

56:56SPEAKER- I'll go through a couple more here before we wrap up.

56:59SPEAKERI have written down the nth degree, which-

57:03SPEAKER- This one's good, this is-

57:04SPEAKER- Oh, it's one of my favorites.

57:06SPEAKERI don't know what it says about me though,

57:07SPEAKERbecause I myself have described it here in this doc

57:09SPEAKERas an extremely fun nerd insert wish fulfillment episode.

57:14SPEAKERBecause- - Is this the one,

57:16SPEAKERis this the first Barclay episode

57:18SPEAKERor is this one of the later ones?

57:19SPEAKER- No, this is one of the mid to later ones.

57:21SPEAKERThis is not the one with the,

57:23SPEAKERit's not the one where he gets super horny in the holodeck.

57:25SPEAKERI think that might be his first episode.

57:27SPEAKER- That's the first time we saw him, I think.

57:29SPEAKER- I mean, Barclay, if people don't know,

57:31SPEAKERis like a like relatively competent,

57:34SPEAKERbut incredibly anxious engineer

57:37SPEAKERwho's lacking in confidence and people skills kind of guy.

57:41SPEAKERTo put it mildly, I guess.

57:43SPEAKER- He had some problems.

57:45SPEAKER- This is the one where an alien probe

57:46SPEAKERmakes Barclay the smartest human who has ever lived.

57:50SPEAKER- Yeah, this one's pretty good.

57:51SPEAKER- Like he has an IQ of like 1200 if I mean,

57:54SPEAKERit was the 80s, like whatever IQ meant at the time,

57:56SPEAKERthat's how they describe it, but like-

58:00SPEAKER- He basically solves all the problems

58:01SPEAKERwith the sheer force of will and brain.

58:05SPEAKER- He becomes the Enterprise computer.

58:06SPEAKERLike that's how the episode,

58:07SPEAKERthe climax of the episode is that he literally

58:09SPEAKERwires himself into the Enterprise computer

58:12SPEAKERand becomes the computer in a way

58:14SPEAKERthat they cannot extract him from.

58:16SPEAKER- Superman three problem, basically is what you're saying.

58:19SPEAKER- But on the way there, the episode is about him

58:21SPEAKERbasically realizing how smart he is now

58:23SPEAKERand how confident that makes him.

58:25SPEAKERAnd he becomes like, he becomes like a little,

58:27SPEAKERlike there's that scene where he's doing a scene from,

58:32SPEAKERgosh, I can't remember which play it is.

58:35SPEAKERWho is he?

58:36SPEAKERHe's playing Cyrano, I think.

58:38SPEAKEROpposite Gates Mcfadden, Crusher on 10th floor.

58:41SPEAKERThe episode opens with him fumbling his way

58:44SPEAKERin the most embarrassing way possible through his lines

58:46SPEAKERin this play he's trying to do.

58:48SPEAKERAnd then after the turn, he does the scene again

58:51SPEAKERfor our audience and gives this absolute tour de force

58:54SPEAKERwhere Crusher is literally weeping at the end.

58:56SPEAKERSo it's so over the top and cheesy,

58:59SPEAKERbut it's just this like Barkley coming into his own moment.

59:02SPEAKERThat's really goofy and fun.

59:05SPEAKER- Dwight Schultz, the guy who plays him is so like he,

59:13SPEAKERthat character never has like a straight line

59:14SPEAKERthrough an episode.

59:16SPEAKERIt's always like some sort of hard turn midway through.

59:18SPEAKER- Yes, go look at that scene.

59:20SPEAKERI was, well, you kind of need to see the whole episode

59:21SPEAKER'cause there's a lot of set up for it.

59:22SPEAKERBut like that scene of him in that play

59:24SPEAKERis just kind of amazing.

59:26SPEAKERI've never seen the A-Team.

59:27SPEAKERHe is, who is he, Murdock from the A-Team?

59:30SPEAKER- He plays Murdock on the A-Team.

59:32SPEAKER- I've never seen that show, but yeah, that's who he is.

59:35SPEAKER- He's, like the thing about a Barkley episode

59:40SPEAKERis you know that some good stuff's gonna happen

59:42SPEAKERwhen like the Barkley episodes,

59:44SPEAKERlike the Holodeck episodes are all up and down.

59:46SPEAKERLike the ones where Picard plays the noir detective

59:52SPEAKERare almost all bad.

59:53SPEAKERLike there's a bunch of like not great episodes

59:56SPEAKERthat follow one of the main tropes of the show,

59:58SPEAKERbut the Barkley episodes are always like lore episodes,

1:00:01SPEAKERalways good, Barkley episodes, always good.

1:00:04SPEAKERRomulan episodes, like 50/50 it seems like.

1:00:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:09SPEAKER- What about the drum head?

1:00:10SPEAKERDo you remember the drum head?

1:00:11SPEAKER- Drum head's great.

1:00:12SPEAKER- That's the, it's another one of the,

1:00:13SPEAKERwhat you would call a kind of a courtroom drama episodes

1:00:16SPEAKERabout kind of military paranoia about spies in the ranks.

1:00:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like the danger, it's a,

1:00:23SPEAKERthe morality play here is that witch hunts are always bad

1:00:26SPEAKER'cause if you look hard enough,

1:00:27SPEAKERyou can find anybody who's done something wrong.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Right, yes.

1:00:30SPEAKER- Or find something, you can find everybody

1:00:32SPEAKERhas done something wrong, I guess.

1:00:35SPEAKERBut it's the one, so it's the inverse

1:00:38SPEAKERof the measure of a man where Riker plays the prosecutor,

1:00:41SPEAKERthe hard edge prosecutor, and just,

1:00:43SPEAKERlike he knows that in order to set data free,

1:00:45SPEAKERhe has to leave no stone unturned

1:00:48SPEAKERand he has to really go after him,

1:00:49SPEAKER'cause if he doesn't, then the whole thing

1:00:51SPEAKERwill be for nothing and like the,

1:00:54SPEAKERon drum head, he's the defender

1:00:57SPEAKERfor this person who's accused of being a spy.

1:01:01SPEAKERAnd he's playing, like he's playing the completely,

1:01:04SPEAKERI guess there's no JAG in Starfleet.

1:01:07SPEAKER- No.

1:01:07SPEAKER- He's like no Judge Advocate General or whatever.

1:01:10SPEAKERBut yeah, it's a really,

1:01:17SPEAKERanyway, the upshot is they find somebody who's spying,

1:01:20SPEAKERthey're not doing the spying that they thought,

1:01:21SPEAKERthey're not doing the sabotage that they thought,

1:01:23SPEAKERand they get into this whole,

1:01:25SPEAKERsuddenly everyone's under suspicion

1:01:27SPEAKER'cause they bring in, as you said,

1:01:29SPEAKERthe retired admiral who's the real hard ass

1:01:31SPEAKERfor going after any kind of underhanded behavior.

1:01:37SPEAKERAnd the whole thing just rides on these,

1:01:42SPEAKERthis idea that, hey, you can't,

1:01:45SPEAKERlike look, this is an unhealthy way to live.

1:01:49SPEAKERIt turns out very much, I don't know, so yeah.

1:01:54SPEAKER- Let's see, I've got a couple more.

1:01:56SPEAKERI'm gonna, I'm just gonna mention the first duty real quick

1:01:58SPEAKER'cause that also falls into the courtroom drama category

1:02:02SPEAKERto me.

1:02:03SPEAKER- This is the Wesley coverup?

1:02:07SPEAKER- Might be one of my favorite episodes

1:02:08SPEAKERthe more I think about it.

1:02:10SPEAKERThis is, yes, this is Wesley at Starfleet Academy

1:02:12SPEAKERis involved in a training accident

1:02:13SPEAKERand there is a coverup because some wrongdoing

1:02:17SPEAKERhas taken place and it is very much just an inquiry

1:02:21SPEAKERinto the accident, like that's the whole episode

1:02:23SPEAKERis just an inquiry, people giving testimony

1:02:26SPEAKERand then Picard figures out what's actually going on

1:02:28SPEAKERand gives like one of the best moralizing speeches

1:02:31SPEAKERin the entire series and that's my favorite Picard, so.

1:02:35SPEAKER- It's a really good,

1:02:37SPEAKERit's one of the good Wesley episodes for sure.

1:02:40SPEAKER- Yes, one of his last ones,

1:02:42SPEAKERthis was after he was like off the show full time,

1:02:45SPEAKERthey brought him back occasionally.

1:02:47SPEAKER- Is this before he ascended?

1:02:48SPEAKER- Yes.

1:02:50SPEAKER- Okay.

1:02:51SPEAKER- Yes.

1:02:54SPEAKER- Let's see, my last one,

1:02:55SPEAKERI'm gonna put Data's Day out here.

1:02:58SPEAKERThis is the one that shows you like a little bit,

1:03:01SPEAKERit's like a day in the life of Data, basically.

1:03:04SPEAKER- Is it kind of recording or chronicling it as it goes?

1:03:08SPEAKER- I think, I feel like somebody told him

1:03:09SPEAKERhe should keep a diary or a journal or something,

1:03:11SPEAKERso he's like, and it's like there's a little bit about,

1:03:14SPEAKERwhen you meet Spot for the first time,

1:03:15SPEAKERbut I don't think Spot has a name yet.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Oh, is this before his poem about Spot?

1:03:22SPEAKER- Oh, okay, the cringey,

1:03:25SPEAKERmy favorite Data trope is Data doing something

1:03:28SPEAKERreally, really well that just lands flat as a pancake.

1:03:31SPEAKER- Oh, dude.

1:03:32SPEAKER- Because, yeah.

1:03:33SPEAKER- Can I just read the opening couplet of Ooch Spot?

1:03:36SPEAKER- The fucking poem is so good, it's so stupid.

1:03:38SPEAKER- Felis Catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,

1:03:41SPEAKERan endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature.

1:03:46SPEAKER- He's like, it's a really hard meter to do.

1:03:48SPEAKER- It's like, you know, it's not bad.

1:03:49SPEAKERLike they at least got that, they got the us.

1:03:53SPEAKERThat's a fun, like one of the rare, like just kind

1:03:55SPEAKERof lighthearted ones.

1:03:56SPEAKERI think there might be some conflict towards the end,

1:03:58SPEAKERsome threat of the weak to the enterprise or something

1:04:01SPEAKERthat he deals with, but for the most part,

1:04:03SPEAKERit's like a fairly light thing, if I remember.

1:04:07SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the thing that I like about it is,

1:04:11SPEAKERit shows, like he goes through his day

1:04:14SPEAKERand you see him solving like normal space problems,

1:04:19SPEAKERbut he like goes to, it's like, it's also shows you

1:04:25SPEAKERwhat it's like on the enterprise.

1:04:26SPEAKERHe goes to Commander O'Brien, Chief O'Brien's wedding.

1:04:29SPEAKERHe helps solve like pre-wedding jitters for Keiko.

1:04:35SPEAKERHe, they solve a mystery.

1:04:38SPEAKERHe uses some Star Trek, he uses some Sherlock Holmes

1:04:42SPEAKERbusiness, like stuff he learned playing Sherlock Holmes

1:04:44SPEAKERon the holodeck.

1:04:47SPEAKERI guess maybe there are good holodeck episodes,

1:04:49SPEAKERbut he applies that to solving the mystery

1:04:51SPEAKERof this missing Vulcan ambassador, yada, yada, yada.

1:04:54SPEAKERI think that's a spy episode too.

1:04:56SPEAKERI can't remember, but yeah, it's really fun.

1:05:01SPEAKERAnd this is, I feel like this is either a prequel

1:05:04SPEAKERor a postquel for Measure of a Man,

1:05:07SPEAKER'cause I think he's recording this stuff for Maddox,

1:05:09SPEAKERbut I can't remember.

1:05:10SPEAKER- That sounds right.

1:05:11SPEAKERYeah, Maddox is the guy who originally tried

1:05:13SPEAKERto have him designated as property.

1:05:17SPEAKER- Dismantle and rebuild, yeah.

1:05:19SPEAKER- So he could take Data apart and study him.

1:05:21SPEAKERBut yeah, that's like an interesting piece

1:05:23SPEAKERof character work for Data that he kind of becomes friends

1:05:26SPEAKERwith the guy who wanted to take him apart.

1:05:30SPEAKERBut this is-

1:05:33SPEAKER- There's a baby born on the enterprise that day,

1:05:34SPEAKERlike Crusher has to go do some stuff to deliver a baby.

1:05:37SPEAKERLike it's- - That's a nice episode.

1:05:39SPEAKER- It's like, hey, this isn't just a spaceship

1:05:43SPEAKERwhere they go do like spaceship stuff.

1:05:45SPEAKERThis is also like a town that a thousand people live in.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Right. - It's a cool-

1:05:50SPEAKER- It's a good reminder that not every single day

1:05:52SPEAKERon the enterprise has got some insane like scientific

1:05:55SPEAKERor military like threat to humanity taking place

1:05:59SPEAKERor like some weird anomaly isn't happening every single day.

1:06:02SPEAKERSome days are just like kind of mundane.

1:06:05SPEAKER- Exactly.

1:06:07SPEAKER- My last episode, which totally random one to end on,

1:06:11SPEAKERFirst Contact, not to be confused

1:06:13SPEAKERwith Star Trek First Contact,

1:06:14SPEAKERthe second next generation film.

1:06:17SPEAKER- Yes.

1:06:18SPEAKER- This is an episode where Riker is embedded

1:06:20SPEAKERwith a civilization that is about to discover faster

1:06:23SPEAKERthan light travel, we're about to invent it.

1:06:26SPEAKER- Okay. - Have you seen this one?

1:06:28SPEAKER- I remember this, he gets captured, right?

1:06:32SPEAKERThey find him out and then they start interrogating him.

1:06:34SPEAKER- So they do the whole thing where they surgically alter him

1:06:36SPEAKERto look like the alien species because on Star Trek,

1:06:38SPEAKERevery alien species is just humans with something

1:06:41SPEAKERon their forehead.

1:06:42SPEAKER- Well, it's 'cause they were progenitors

1:06:44SPEAKERthat spread bipedal life throughout our portion

1:06:46SPEAKERof the galaxy, clearly.

1:06:48SPEAKER- I intentionally did not put the chase on this list.

1:06:51SPEAKERI'm pretty sure that's the name of the one

1:06:52SPEAKERwhere they actually explain why every alien

1:06:55SPEAKERin Star Trek looks like a human being.

1:06:57SPEAKER- Is that the archeological race one?

1:06:58SPEAKER- Yes, yes, that there literally was a progenitor race

1:07:01SPEAKERthat seeded every planet with life

1:07:03SPEAKERwith their own genetic material.

1:07:05SPEAKER- So as somebody who read a lot of books

1:07:07SPEAKERbefore that episode aired,

1:07:09SPEAKERthat was a well-established concept in the novel verse.

1:07:12SPEAKER- Oh, I believe it, I believe it.

1:07:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:14SPEAKER- That's not my favorite episode, but this--

1:07:16SPEAKER- I like it because all the aliens are standing around

1:07:20SPEAKERyelling about shit and then nobody gets the thing

1:07:22SPEAKERthat they want, but there is a bad episode agreed.

1:07:25SPEAKER- Nobody learns the lesson that their progenitors

1:07:26SPEAKERwanted them to learn.

1:07:28SPEAKER- Yeah. - Anyway.

1:07:29SPEAKER- Well, I think Picard does.

1:07:31SPEAKER- Yes, sure.

1:07:32SPEAKER- Picard is the most smug in that episode.

1:07:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's probably true.

1:07:36SPEAKERAnyway, the first contact is really interesting

1:07:39SPEAKERexamination of like the politics of the society

1:07:41SPEAKERas they are on the verge of this momentous discovery.

1:07:45SPEAKERAnd what happens when people who are too afraid

1:07:49SPEAKERof rapid societal change start to assert themselves,

1:07:52SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

1:07:53SPEAKERLike Riker's problems are almost incidental

1:07:56SPEAKERto the actual thematic core of the episode,

1:07:58SPEAKERwhich is that like they actually,

1:08:02SPEAKERthe episode ends with the society deciding

1:08:04SPEAKERto suppress faster than light technology

1:08:06SPEAKERbecause they are-- - 'Cause they're not ready yet?

1:08:08SPEAKER- I'm sorry, it's not that, it's that they become aware

1:08:11SPEAKERof the wider, like what's going on in the wider galaxies

1:08:17SPEAKERthat, oh my God, there are thousands of alien species

1:08:19SPEAKERzipping around our planet all the time

1:08:21SPEAKERand we didn't know it.

1:08:24SPEAKERThey decided to suppress that information

1:08:25SPEAKERbecause the whole standard procedure

1:08:27SPEAKERwhen a species discovers warp drive

1:08:31SPEAKERis that the Federation reveals themselves to them, right?

1:08:33SPEAKERSays like, hey, we exist, like we acknowledge

1:08:36SPEAKERthat you are going to now be mixing it up with us

1:08:38SPEAKER'cause you're gonna be flying around out here

1:08:39SPEAKERand we're going to like let you know of all this

1:08:43SPEAKERand let you decide if you wanna join up with us

1:08:45SPEAKERor what's gonna happen here.

1:08:48SPEAKERBut yes, let's say the, I guess more reactionary factions

1:08:53SPEAKERof the society went out in the end

1:08:55SPEAKERand they decide to suppress all information about this

1:08:57SPEAKERbecause they think their society can't handle it yet.

1:09:01SPEAKER- I mean, I think that reads given how they reacted

1:09:04SPEAKERto finding out about Riker.

1:09:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's fair.

1:09:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny.

1:09:11SPEAKERWell, so this is the thing that I like

1:09:12SPEAKERabout that Lower Decks show on Paramount

1:09:15SPEAKERis that they're on a ship that specializes

1:09:18SPEAKERin second contact, which sounds really stupid,

1:09:22SPEAKERbut it's like doing the block and tackle problem solving

1:09:29SPEAKERof like how do we integrate you in the Federation?

1:09:31SPEAKERLike who's gonna be your ambassador?

1:09:34SPEAKERWhat kind of weird traditions do you have

1:09:35SPEAKERthat we didn't find out about during first contact?

1:09:37SPEAKER- Right, like all the highfalutin,

1:09:40SPEAKERall of the highfalutin historic glad-handing

1:09:43SPEAKERhappened already, the ceremonies are done,

1:09:45SPEAKERand now we're here to actually implement the changes.

1:09:48SPEAKER- Yeah, the papers sign, here's the actual work

1:09:51SPEAKERthat has to happen now.

1:09:53SPEAKER- Also really interesting guest appearance

1:09:56SPEAKERby Bebe Neuwirth in first contact.

1:09:59SPEAKER- Really?

1:09:59SPEAKEROh, I missed, I forgot that.

1:10:00SPEAKER- Yes, you should go watch this episode

1:10:02SPEAKERif you don't remember it.

1:10:04SPEAKER- It's pretty early, right?

1:10:05SPEAKER- Oh, I think it's mid.

1:10:06SPEAKER- It's like post-period.

1:10:08SPEAKER- Oh, definitely, yeah, I think it's mid-period.

1:10:12SPEAKER- Okay.

1:10:14SPEAKER- Yes, it is season four.

1:10:17SPEAKER- Oh yeah, okay, so I would have watched that

1:10:19SPEAKERway along, like middle of last year probably, so.

1:10:22SPEAKER- It's a good sleeper.

1:10:23SPEAKER- I'll definitely go back and track it down again.

1:10:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:27SPEAKER- Well, Brad, this has been really fun.

1:10:28SPEAKER- What a great show.

1:10:30SPEAKER- It's a walk down memory lane.

1:10:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:32SPEAKER- It's shocking to me watching some of the,

1:10:35SPEAKEReven the later seasons, stuff that I hadn't seen before,

1:10:36SPEAKERhow it still feels pretty relevant.

1:10:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:41SPEAKER- And it looks surprisingly good

1:10:43SPEAKERin the remastered version especially.

1:10:45SPEAKER- I think it holds up quite well.

1:10:48SPEAKER- I was, I started out on this process

1:10:50SPEAKER'cause I was like, do I wanna watch this with my kid?

1:10:52SPEAKERThis seems like a fun thing to watch with my kid.

1:10:53SPEAKERMaybe she'll be into it, maybe she'll like Star Trek

1:10:54SPEAKERif we do this, and I think I'm gonna start,

1:10:56SPEAKERI think I'm a little afraid 'cause it's pretty horny.

1:11:00SPEAKER- Mm, yeah, I guess that's, hey.

1:11:03SPEAKERAlso, just to let your kid find their way

1:11:05SPEAKERto the things you like naturally, maybe.

1:11:07SPEAKERI don't know.

1:11:08SPEAKER- I mean, look, we don't force.

1:11:09SPEAKER- She's into it, she's into it.

1:11:10SPEAKER- We just watch a couple episodes, and if we like it.

1:11:11SPEAKERLike with The Simpsons, we started,

1:11:13SPEAKERwell, we watched like two episodes of The Simpsons,

1:11:15SPEAKERshe was like, this is amazing, I wanna watch Simpsons.

1:11:17SPEAKERAnd now we're on, we've watched a lot of Simpsons.

1:11:21SPEAKERBut we have also reached the part of the show

1:11:24SPEAKERwhere we thank our patrons.

1:11:25SPEAKER- Yes, thank you, patrons.

1:11:27SPEAKER- Thank you, patrons.

1:11:29SPEAKERIf you would like to join the TechPod community

1:11:31SPEAKERand help support the 100% listener-supported

1:11:35SPEAKERBrad and Wilma to TechPod,

1:11:37SPEAKERyou can by going to patreon.com/techpod

1:11:40SPEAKERwhere you will get access to the fabulous TechPod Discord,

1:11:42SPEAKERwhich is full of wonderful nerds that are talking.

1:11:44SPEAKERI'm sure, I hope, that people are gonna post

1:11:47SPEAKERtheir favorite episodes in this week's episode thread

1:11:50SPEAKERthis week.

1:11:51SPEAKER- Yes, they can stop talking about my hair

1:11:52SPEAKERand start talking about Star Trek.

1:11:54SPEAKER- I mean, your hair is a noteworthy topic, I think.

1:11:56SPEAKER- Oh, boy.

1:11:57SPEAKERI made a mistake.

1:12:00SPEAKER- I'm just glad that they've stopped looking

1:12:02SPEAKERfor old pictures of me and Maximum PC at this point.

1:12:04SPEAKER- Okay, so I took the bullet for you,

1:12:07SPEAKERmoved the conversation along.

1:12:09SPEAKERI posted a photo I should not have.

1:12:10SPEAKERI mean, it's fine, it's just a dumb hair photo.

1:12:13SPEAKER- It's a good, look, you have a lot of hair,

1:12:15SPEAKERyou should be proud of it.

1:12:16SPEAKERIt's a righteous mane and it gives you your powers.

1:12:19SPEAKER- You know what, I feel trapped by it.

1:12:21SPEAKERI feel like there's so much sunk cost now

1:12:25SPEAKERthat I don't know what to do.

1:12:26SPEAKERLike, I can't just cut it off, can I?

1:12:27SPEAKERIt's been so long, it took so long to grow it.

1:12:31SPEAKER- When mine got cut off, I felt immediately

1:12:32SPEAKERlike there was a weight lifted.

1:12:35SPEAKER- Literally, I'm sure.

1:12:35SPEAKER- Think about, the fun thing watching Star Trek again

1:12:38SPEAKERis I was now thinking that maybe the next haircut

1:12:41SPEAKERthat I should take from Star Trek is just Picard's

1:12:42SPEAKERand just keep the sides, shave the top

1:12:45SPEAKERbecause it's less up there every year, so.

1:12:48SPEAKER- You'll have to practice your British accent, though.

1:12:50SPEAKERYou gotta, you need to show the authority.

1:12:53SPEAKER- That's true.

1:12:54SPEAKERThe funny thing was, one of the funny things I noticed

1:12:56SPEAKERis that Patrick Stewart played Prospero a few years ago

1:13:01SPEAKERand there's an episode where he's like giving data notes

1:13:04SPEAKERabout playing Prospero in a play, which is--

1:13:07SPEAKER- Patrick Stewart's classical training as an actor

1:13:10SPEAKERbled into that show constantly.

1:13:12SPEAKER- It's a very, like, for such a doofy

1:13:17SPEAKERscience fiction, 90s science fiction show,

1:13:23SPEAKERit surprised me how well it continued to land.

1:13:25SPEAKERAnyway, we're thanking patrons.

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1:13:36SPEAKERAs always, we're going to this week

1:13:38SPEAKERthank our executive producer patrons,

1:13:41SPEAKERincluding Chris DiBona, Andrew Slosky,

1:13:43SPEAKERhashtag Bunny Crimes, sorry, Octothorpe Bunny Crimes,

1:13:47SPEAKERJacob Chappell, Joel Krauska, Very Fungible Twinkie,

1:13:51SPEAKERI don't know about this, David Allen and James Kamik,

1:13:53SPEAKERthank you all so, so much, we really appreciate it

1:13:55SPEAKERand appreciate everybody who supports the show.

1:13:58SPEAKERThe TechPod Discord continues to make my life

1:14:01SPEAKERa better place, so I'm stoked that everybody else

1:14:04SPEAKERseems to enjoy it as well.

1:14:05SPEAKER- Same on all counts.

1:14:07SPEAKER- I guess that's it for us this week, Brad.

1:14:08SPEAKER- It is, apologies to any, or for any like weird

1:14:11SPEAKERproduction stuff around this.

1:14:13SPEAKERLot going on here, I'm on a new MacBook,

1:14:15SPEAKERI'm mobile recording set up, let's say,

1:14:18SPEAKERI'm in a different place trying to make this podcast

1:14:21SPEAKERcontinue to go, so.

1:14:22SPEAKER- I should have just given you my Zoom recorder

1:14:25SPEAKERand you could have plugged in your,

1:14:26SPEAKERtaken your XLR mic, I didn't even think about that.

1:14:29SPEAKER- Oh, that's a pretty good idea.

1:14:30SPEAKER- Next time, yeah, anyway.

1:14:32SPEAKER- That microphone is too new and too afraid to travel with,

1:14:34SPEAKERI'm still baby.

1:14:35SPEAKER- You need a little Pelican, you need a foam case.

1:14:37SPEAKER- It actually, it comes, I mean, for price it better,

1:14:40SPEAKERit comes with a nice hard travel case, I just,

1:14:42SPEAKER- Oh, ooh.

1:14:43SPEAKER- I'm just not ready yet.

1:14:45SPEAKER- Okay, okay, fair.

1:14:47SPEAKERThat'll do it for us this week.

1:14:48SPEAKERThere's a new FOSS Pod on Thursday

1:14:50SPEAKERand another episode of the Tech Pod next week.

1:14:52SPEAKERWe will see you all, oh, you can find the FOSS Pod

1:14:54SPEAKERat fosspod.content.com, F-O-S-S.

1:14:57SPEAKERWe will see you all next week.