00:00SPEAKER- You haven't watched any TV, huh?
00:01SPEAKERYou're off the TV right now 'cause of the video games?
00:03SPEAKER- I watch a lot of TV, yeah.
00:04SPEAKERI'm just kind of handcuffed to a controller.
00:06SPEAKER- What are you guys--
00:07SPEAKER- Playing through games as fast as possible right now.
00:09SPEAKER- What do you guys do for, you don't have cable anymore.
00:12SPEAKER- No. - No.
00:14SPEAKER- We have YouTube TV.
00:15SPEAKER- Oh. - We have--
00:17SPEAKER- Yes. - YouTube TV.
00:18SPEAKER- Oh, courtesy of a family member?
00:21SPEAKERWhich I don't know, is that sanctioned?
00:23SPEAKERShould I be saying this publicly?
00:25SPEAKER- You're allowed to have, direct family members
00:28SPEAKERare allowed to share.
00:29SPEAKER- What if it is a direct family member?
00:31SPEAKER- You can share with your children?
00:32SPEAKER- Yeah, they made some changes recently
00:34SPEAKERthat made it seem like they want those family members
00:36SPEAKERto live in the same household, though.
00:37SPEAKER- So with my Hulu TV subscription,
00:39SPEAKERwhich is like their version of the YouTube,
00:41SPEAKERlike it's their cable bundle, basically,
00:44SPEAKERyou have to check in on the mobile devices
00:47SPEAKERat the location that it's registered at.
00:49SPEAKER- That's what it was.
00:50SPEAKER- That's every specific period of time.
00:51SPEAKER- The error messages started popping up was like,
00:52SPEAKER"Hey, use this from the Wi-Fi
00:54SPEAKER"that you normally use it on," or something like that.
00:56SPEAKERVery clearly, they wanted it to be from the IP range
00:59SPEAKERthat they expect the owner of the account to be on.
01:01SPEAKER- Yeah, with Hulu, it's like you can go away
01:03SPEAKERfor a month or something, but you have to check in.
01:07SPEAKERBut the set-top never has any of that.
01:09SPEAKERIt may be because that's the one we set up first.
01:11SPEAKERI don't know.
01:11SPEAKER- Yeah, we were getting this on set-top apps, but--
01:14SPEAKER- Oh, that's weird.
01:15SPEAKERWell, you should switch to Hulu TV, it's great.
01:16SPEAKER- I don't know if we should,
01:17SPEAKERI feel so strange talking about this in public.
01:18SPEAKERWhat if Google is listening?
01:20SPEAKER- They are listening.
01:21SPEAKER- No!
01:22SPEAKER- You have Google Assistant on your iPad, right?
01:23SPEAKER- Google can't take--
01:24SPEAKER- They're listening right now, they hear you.
01:25SPEAKER- Can't take my TV away.
01:26SPEAKER- Well, I mean, you said you don't use it, they can take it away, you're fine.
01:29SPEAKERYou have CBS All Access, that's all anybody needs.
01:31SPEAKER- It is America's most watched network.
01:32SPEAKER- It is, you can get all the NCIS you want there.
01:34SPEAKER(upbeat music)
01:55SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.
01:56SPEAKER- Hi, Will.
01:57SPEAKER- It's time to make a tech pod.
01:58SPEAKER- Let's do it.
01:59SPEAKER- Let's talk into these microphones.
02:00SPEAKER- Yep.
02:01SPEAKER- About tech.
02:02SPEAKER- This is our new tradition.
02:05SPEAKERThe every fourth week question episode.
02:08SPEAKER- Yes.
02:09SPEAKER- Let us know how you feel about this.
02:10SPEAKER- Went to the Department of Dead Letters.
02:11SPEAKER- Yes.
02:12SPEAKER- And resurrected a few.
02:13SPEAKERGot down on our knees and sacrificed a goat.
02:17SPEAKER- There is a letter in there that is so spectacularly good.
02:21SPEAKER- Yeah?
02:22SPEAKER- It is my favorite piece of content from that game,
02:24SPEAKERfrom Control.
02:25SPEAKERWe're talking about Control.
02:26SPEAKER- Oh, yes.
02:27SPEAKER- It is exceptional.
02:28SPEAKERIt is every crank letter we ever got sent into the magazine
02:32SPEAKERcondensed into one, like four paragraphs of perfection.
02:37SPEAKERAnd it ends with, I have a website.
02:40SPEAKER- Okay, I was gonna ask if I would know it when I saw it.
02:42SPEAKER- You'll know it.
02:43SPEAKER- Okay.
02:44SPEAKER- You'll know it.
02:45SPEAKERIt's a little off the beaten path.
02:46SPEAKERIt's on like the second or third floor.
02:47SPEAKER- Okay.
02:48SPEAKER- You might have to get some powers
02:49SPEAKERbefore you can go back there.
02:49SPEAKER- Written by someone who clearly has experience with.
02:52SPEAKER- I have a website.
02:55SPEAKERI will let the people know.
02:57SPEAKER- I want you to read it.
02:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it was written by Reverend Norquist.
03:00SPEAKER- Not the less said about that, the better, probably.
03:03SPEAKER- It's about smoking.
03:04SPEAKERIt's a weird letter.
03:05SPEAKER- It smelled like strawberry.
03:06SPEAKERIt was weird.
03:07SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:08SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:09SPEAKERSo anyway, should we just jump right into it and do something?
03:11SPEAKERIf you have questions, you can email them.
03:15SPEAKERNot you.
03:16SPEAKERYou know how to get questions.
03:17SPEAKER- I mean, I could.
03:17SPEAKER- You can just ask me.
03:18SPEAKER- Are you saying I can't?
03:19SPEAKERAm I legally forbidden from submitting
03:21SPEAKERa question to this podcast?
03:21SPEAKER- If you want to send an email in, you can.
03:23SPEAKER- Okay.
03:24SPEAKER- The email address is--
03:25SPEAKER- Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
03:26SPEAKER- I mean, I hope we can just send
03:28SPEAKERlike a Discord message or something.
03:29SPEAKERBut yeah, the email address is techpod@content.town.
03:32SPEAKER- Yes.
03:33SPEAKER- That's techpod@content.town.
03:35SPEAKER- That's where these questions came.
03:37SPEAKER- All of them.
03:38SPEAKER- To you?
03:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:40SPEAKER- Shall I dive right in?
03:40SPEAKER- I think that's a good idea.
03:41SPEAKER- Got a few emails here.
03:43SPEAKERAll right, here's the first one.
03:44SPEAKER- Okay.
03:45SPEAKER- From Alex in St. Paul, Minnesota.
03:47SPEAKERIn regards to the iPhone discussions
03:48SPEAKERyou guys had at the beginning of the pod,
03:51SPEAKERdo you think that Touch ID will make
03:52SPEAKERa comeback with a future iPhone?
03:54SPEAKER- Ooh.
03:55SPEAKER- I really like using the function for my phone
03:57SPEAKERand just thought that Face ID was a silly thing.
03:59SPEAKERAlso in regards to TVs,
04:01SPEAKERwhat's the difference between OLED and QLED?
04:03SPEAKERIs there one?
04:04SPEAKERThanks for the podcast.
04:05SPEAKER- That's a two part,
04:06SPEAKERI don't know if we should allow two parters.
04:07SPEAKER- That's a good question.
04:08SPEAKER- I already threw them both out there.
04:10SPEAKER- Okay, so we gotta answer it.
04:12SPEAKER- I, as someone who's not a big fan
04:15SPEAKERof the direction that Apple phones have gone in--
04:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I know you don't like the notch.
04:19SPEAKERI know the notch is not exactly directly Touch ID related,
04:23SPEAKERbut I feel like they're of a piece.
04:25SPEAKERI like the change, all the changes happen at the same time,
04:27SPEAKERtherefore I associate them all negatively.
04:30SPEAKERLook, I've been keeping an eye on this subject
04:33SPEAKERis what I'm trying to get at.
04:34SPEAKER- So you think they're gonna do Touch ID,
04:35SPEAKERwell, I mean, there's Android phones
04:36SPEAKERwhere you can get a fingerprint sensor
04:38SPEAKERthrough the screen already. - It's out there now.
04:39SPEAKERI didn't even realize that.
04:41SPEAKERSometimes I feel a little bad
04:42SPEAKERthat this is a pretty Apple centric podcast.
04:44SPEAKERThat's just the ecosystem that we happen to be in.
04:46SPEAKER- Look, I touched a Pixel 4 the other day.
04:48SPEAKERLike I'm not, I didn't catch on fire or anything to it.
04:50SPEAKERIt's just, you know,
04:51SPEAKERthere's a lot of legacy here at this point.
04:53SPEAKER- The big problem is my wife has an iPhone
04:54SPEAKERand is really committed to it.
04:55SPEAKERAnd that means I also have an iPhone
04:57SPEAKERand I'm really committed to it.
04:58SPEAKER- Wait a minute.
04:59SPEAKERIt's almost like they planned it that way.
05:01SPEAKER- I bought a Pixel 2 when the Pixel 2 came out
05:04SPEAKERand Gina got so pissed off at me
05:05SPEAKER'cause all the group text messages just went to the ether.
05:09SPEAKER- She's like, "Damn it, your text messages are green
05:10SPEAKERinstead of blue now, fuck you."
05:12SPEAKER- It's not even that.
05:12SPEAKERIt's if you were in a group with five, anyway.
05:15SPEAKERYeah, off topic.
05:17SPEAKER- Also, not to really get off topic,
05:19SPEAKERbut have, well, so you have done the migration
05:20SPEAKERfrom an iPhone.
05:21SPEAKER- Yeah, it was great.
05:22SPEAKER- Getting off of iMessage is one of the most bizarre
05:24SPEAKERprocesses I have ever been through
05:26SPEAKER'cause I used an iPhone. - It's better now
05:28SPEAKERthan when you did it. - Have I made it better?
05:29SPEAKER- Yeah, now there's a website.
05:30SPEAKERYou just go put your, you go into your iCloud account
05:32SPEAKERand you say, "Forever disassociate my phone number
05:36SPEAKERfor my message," and then it just works.
05:37SPEAKER- 'Cause it used to be there was no real manual way
05:39SPEAKERto shut it down. - And you had to call.
05:40SPEAKER- And apparently people would continue sending you iMessages
05:43SPEAKERfor like a week to two weeks
05:44SPEAKERand they would just vanish into the ether
05:46SPEAKERwithout any feedback to the sender
05:48SPEAKERthat you weren't actually getting the messages.
05:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:50SPEAKER- Like how many friendships did that ruin?
05:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:54SPEAKER- Anyway.
05:56SPEAKER- Okay, greenie.
05:57SPEAKER- So yeah, I've looked around at phone rumors here and there
06:02SPEAKERand that actually has been a kind of big rumor
06:05SPEAKERabout new iPhones in the last month or two
06:06SPEAKERis that this under screen thumbprint reading technology.
06:11SPEAKER- Okay, so it's like there's no button.
06:13SPEAKER- Right. - It's just like you tiny,
06:14SPEAKERthere's a circle on the screen
06:15SPEAKERand you put your finger in and it scans it or something.
06:17SPEAKER- I feel like I saw some of the rumors said
06:19SPEAKERit might be maybe not the entire screen,
06:21SPEAKERbut at least enough of it. - It's a portion.
06:22SPEAKER- That you don't need to hit a very specific defined area.
06:25SPEAKER- That's nice.
06:26SPEAKER- There's a lot of talk that that may make it
06:28SPEAKERinto next year's iPhones.
06:29SPEAKER- It seems like a no brainer for iPads.
06:31SPEAKER'Cause right now, everything, the iPad Pros,
06:34SPEAKERthe newer iPad Pros have face ID.
06:37SPEAKER- Yes.
06:38SPEAKER- But the older, just plain ass, plain iPad.
06:41SPEAKER- Yes.
06:41SPEAKER- Still has a home button. - Right.
06:43SPEAKER- It seems like it'd be really nice.
06:44SPEAKERLike it's really hard for me using an iPhone 10
06:46SPEAKERand getting used to the swipe from the bottom
06:48SPEAKERto grab the iPad.
06:50SPEAKER'Cause I like, nothing works the same way anymore.
06:52SPEAKER- At the same time, I don't know,
06:53SPEAKERit seems like we might be a few years away from it
06:55SPEAKERjust making its way into the entire product line.
06:58SPEAKERBecause like one of the rumors going around right now
07:00SPEAKERis that, so I mean, they've established this iPhone
07:02SPEAKERand iPhone Pro framework, right?
07:05SPEAKERIt sounds like the in-screen thumbprint stuff
07:07SPEAKERmight be a pro only feature for the first year.
07:10SPEAKER- I would think it would be the other way.
07:11SPEAKERI think the face ID is the upsell, right?
07:14SPEAKER- I think so.
07:15SPEAKER- You don't have to touch anything.
07:16SPEAKER- Well, I think if you want both, you're gonna have to pay.
07:18SPEAKER- I mean, the nice thing about-
07:19SPEAKER- That's the rumor.
07:19SPEAKER- The nice thing about face ID, which doesn't apply to us,
07:21SPEAKERbut when I was in Chicago last year
07:23SPEAKERand it was 18 degrees below zero
07:24SPEAKERand I didn't want to take my glove off long enough
07:27SPEAKERto put my thumb on the thing.
07:28SPEAKER- That's maybe an edge case, but it's a pretty good one.
07:29SPEAKER- It was great, except for I also had a scarf and a hat on,
07:32SPEAKERso face ID didn't work either.
07:34SPEAKERSo yeah, nevermind.
07:35SPEAKER- But you shouldn't be using your phone
07:36SPEAKERin cold like that anyway.
07:37SPEAKER- The battery life went really bad, it knew.
07:39SPEAKER- Yeah, so you might get your wish.
07:42SPEAKER- There's a patent.
07:43SPEAKER- Yeah, also I did in the course of looking into this,
07:46SPEAKERI saw Apple bought a small startup
07:49SPEAKERthat specializes in this kind of technology a few years ago.
07:52SPEAKER- I can't even imagine what that pitch,
07:53SPEAKERlike when you go to the VCs to raise money for that,
07:56SPEAKERare you like, look, I am really passionate
07:59SPEAKERabout thumb prints.
08:00SPEAKER- Through screens.
08:01SPEAKER- And I want to not, and I hate buttons.
08:04SPEAKERI hate physical sensors.
08:06SPEAKERSo we're gonna devote the next three years
08:08SPEAKERand get a bunch of really smart material scientists
08:10SPEAKERto figure this thing out.
08:11SPEAKER- Right place, right time.
08:12SPEAKER- And then Apple rolls out face ID like two weeks later
08:14SPEAKERand your whole pitch meeting goes to shit.
08:16SPEAKER- The right idea at the right time.
08:17SPEAKERCould be pretty lucrative, but it sounds like next year
08:21SPEAKERor maybe the year after,
08:22SPEAKERyou might get your wish on this stuff.
08:23SPEAKER- That sounds good.
08:24SPEAKER- So yeah, I like that.
08:26SPEAKER- More options better.
08:27SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.
08:29SPEAKER- The QLED versus OLED thing is a real good question.
08:32SPEAKEROLED is an organic light emitting diode
08:35SPEAKERand QLED is just a marketing term made up by Samsung
08:38SPEAKERand it sounds like OLED.
08:39SPEAKER- Yeah, man, TV marketing is so.
08:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
08:42SPEAKER- I don't know if it's like tried or cliched to.
08:44SPEAKER- Quantum dots.
08:45SPEAKER- To grouse about the way the TVs are named
08:47SPEAKERand marketed and stuff at this point, but it's really bad.
08:50SPEAKER- Look, I feel like QLEDs are just LCDs.
08:53SPEAKERLike they're nice LCDs.
08:54SPEAKER- They're LCDs with better backlights.
08:55SPEAKER- They're like massively improved and evolved
08:57SPEAKERover what LCDs were 10 years ago.
08:59SPEAKERBut fundamentally it's still the same screen.
09:01SPEAKER- It is, well, I mean, so the thing that the QLED stuff does
09:05SPEAKERas I understand is that they do better blocking.
09:09SPEAKERSo there's less bleed through
09:10SPEAKERand you get slightly better black levels,
09:12SPEAKERbut it's still not like OLED
09:14SPEAKERwhen it's generating black is absence of light.
09:17SPEAKERQLED when it's generating black is still just blocking light
09:19SPEAKERand maybe turning off some backlight.
09:20SPEAKER- Right, like that's the fundamental difference, right?
09:21SPEAKERIs that OLED is self-emissive.
09:23SPEAKERThe pixels emit their own light, LCDs are not.
09:25SPEAKERSo they require a backlight.
09:26SPEAKERAnd then when you have to shine a backlight through
09:28SPEAKERyou get that's when you get the bleed
09:30SPEAKERand the poor black levels
09:32SPEAKER'cause you're shining a light through there.
09:33SPEAKER- It's less of a problem.
09:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it sounds like that stuff has gotten way better.
09:37SPEAKERLike actually, honestly, every time we like,
09:39SPEAKERI don't know, go to Costco or something and I walk by like,
09:42SPEAKERI'm not trying to denigrate QLED at all.
09:45SPEAKERLike it looks pretty damn good.
09:47SPEAKER- It's a really good looking LCD.
09:49SPEAKER- It's somebody whose last LCD TV
09:52SPEAKERwas bought in like 2008 or something.
09:54SPEAKERLike I'm kind of amazed at how good that tech still looks.
09:57SPEAKERWell, it's more just the naming is so opportunistic.
09:59SPEAKER- It's shitty.
10:00SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really dumb.
10:02SPEAKER- So the thing about, yeah, it's just really,
10:06SPEAKERit's their high-end LCD.
10:07SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:08SPEAKER- That's the takeaway.
10:10SPEAKER- Still probably the most cost-effective option
10:12SPEAKERI would guess on the market for like size to price
10:15SPEAKERand so forth.
10:16SPEAKER- Oh, LCD for sure.
10:17SPEAKER- Yeah, like I know OLED is getting cheaper,
10:20SPEAKERbut the QLED stuff or no, of course,
10:22SPEAKERQLED is just Samsung, right?
10:23SPEAKER- QLED is just Samsung.
10:24SPEAKERSo the OLED stuff is, the OLED is still,
10:26SPEAKERyou still pay a huge premium.
10:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:29SPEAKER- It's, when you're talking about being able to go out
10:31SPEAKERand buy a $700 55 inch LCD TV.
10:34SPEAKER- You're not gonna get that?
10:35SPEAKER- No, it's gonna be two grand, 1800 bucks
10:37SPEAKERfor the same size OLED.
10:39SPEAKER- So like I would guess that I don't know
10:40SPEAKERwhat other manufacturers call quantum dot
10:42SPEAKERor modern LCD stuff.
10:44SPEAKERLike I guess they all have their own.
10:45SPEAKER- They just call it LCD and QLED is not a--
10:47SPEAKER- Backlit LCD.
10:49SPEAKER- God, isn't there another term they use for,
10:51SPEAKERwell, actually just calling TVs LED TVs
10:53SPEAKERin the first place was kind of misleading.
10:55SPEAKER- Well, that was when they changed the back lights
10:57SPEAKERfrom cold cathode to LED.
10:59SPEAKERYou get big power savings.
11:00SPEAKERAnd the big benefit of LED back lights,
11:03SPEAKERif they did them right, they didn't for a long time,
11:04SPEAKERbut now they do, is that they could selectively
11:07SPEAKERturn off the back light and the dark parts.
11:09SPEAKERSo you do actually get true black
11:11SPEAKERrather than transmissibly black black.
11:13SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
11:14SPEAKERBut yeah, like LCDs, LEDs, whatever you wanna call them
11:17SPEAKERare probably still your best bang for the buck option.
11:19SPEAKER- Absolutely, yeah.
11:22SPEAKER- If a--
11:22SPEAKER- A Pico led projector and a shoebox that's painted white
11:29SPEAKERinside, and then you cut two holes.
11:31SPEAKERYou put the Pico led projector on the bottom
11:33SPEAKERand you cut two holes and you just hold it up to your face.
11:36SPEAKER- Wow.
11:37SPEAKER- And it looks like an 80 inch, 80 inch TV screen.
11:41SPEAKER- It's really doing a lot with a little look.
11:43SPEAKER- I like it.
11:44SPEAKER- Very little projector.
11:45SPEAKER- Yeah.
11:45SPEAKER- Don't do that also for the record.
11:48SPEAKER- Yeah, you could.
11:49SPEAKER- I'm not gonna, I'm not hating.
11:50SPEAKER- I'm not gonna stop anybody.
11:51SPEAKER- No, go for it.
11:52SPEAKERIf you have a Pico led projector and some shoes,
11:55SPEAKERuse that box.
11:57SPEAKER- Yeah, give it a shot.
11:59SPEAKER- Do you want to hear about Michael from Omaha's Jeep?
12:01SPEAKER- I love Jeeps and I love Michael from Omaha, so yes.
12:05SPEAKERHi Michael from Omaha.
12:05SPEAKER- I'm not willing to take that leap just yet.
12:07SPEAKER- It seems okay.
12:08SPEAKER- He seems like a friendly guy.
12:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I read this email.
12:10SPEAKERHe has a Jeep, he can't be bad.
12:12SPEAKER- Yes, he's writing in about the recent episode we did
12:15SPEAKERabout autonomous vehicles.
12:16SPEAKER- Oh yes.
12:17SPEAKER- He says, "I recently bought a 2019 Jeep Cherokee Upland."
12:21SPEAKER- Oh, is it haunted?
12:22SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.
12:23SPEAKER- Does it have autonomy?
12:24SPEAKER- What?
12:25SPEAKER- Is it like a ghost car?
12:25SPEAKER- No, I think it's the opposite.
12:26SPEAKER- Oh.
12:27SPEAKER- He says, "This is my first financial ball and chain
12:29SPEAKERpost college, and I'm surprised to report
12:31SPEAKERthat there is no autonomy in this car at all."
12:33SPEAKER- Wow.
12:34SPEAKER- "There's no lane assist, adaptive cruise,
12:36SPEAKERor even blind spot monitoring.
12:38SPEAKERNow there are obviously features I prefer to have.
12:41SPEAKERFor instance, this car isn't even keyless."
12:43SPEAKER- What?
12:43SPEAKERI didn't think they made cars with keys anymore.
12:45SPEAKER- Like, is that really that widespread?
12:47SPEAKER- I haven't had a rail car that had a key
12:48SPEAKERin two years probably.
12:49SPEAKER- I'm kidding.
12:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:51SPEAKER- But he says, "But I am happy to have a more manual
12:54SPEAKERexperience with this car.
12:56SPEAKERIn rural Iowa and Nebraska, I can't really believe
12:59SPEAKERthat all of the assist features would be too useful,
13:01SPEAKERand I am absolutely not familiar or comfortable with them.
13:05SPEAKERNow, like you guys said, rural America
13:07SPEAKERis a whole different beast than the coasts
13:08SPEAKERwhen it comes to autonomous vehicles and the like."
13:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
13:13SPEAKER- So yeah, okay, there's still full on mechanical-ass car.
13:15SPEAKERWell, whatever, there's still, there have to be microchips
13:18SPEAKERin that car doing something somewhere.
13:19SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, I mean like fuel injectors and stuff like that,
13:21SPEAKERlike this cruise control, I'm sure.
13:23SPEAKER- Not on a really kind of driver-facing level,
13:26SPEAKERit sounds like for the most part.
13:27SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it sounds like, so one is I love
13:32SPEAKERthat Jeep still makes like aggressively,
13:33SPEAKERlike they intentionally design uncomfort,
13:35SPEAKERlike if you buy a Wrangler today,
13:36SPEAKERit is still an uncomfortable-ass car.
13:38SPEAKER- It's part of the experience.
13:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's when you're paying money for that.
13:40SPEAKER- Keeps you alert.
13:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
13:43SPEAKERIt sounds like there's no fly-by-wire stuff in this car.
13:45SPEAKER- Okay.
13:46SPEAKER- And like, if you look at it, I think,
13:47SPEAKERI don't think we talked about this last two weeks ago.
13:50SPEAKER- No, but it was something you had in the notes
13:51SPEAKERthat is something, the very little I've read
13:54SPEAKERabout aviation and airline disasters and stuff like that,
13:57SPEAKERlike fly-by-wire is a term you see a lot.
13:59SPEAKER- Yeah, so all--
14:00SPEAKER- It's kind of an interesting concept.
14:01SPEAKER- So there's, as with all of this stuff,
14:03SPEAKERthere's gradations in like degree,
14:05SPEAKERand at the most aggressive level,
14:08SPEAKERI think the F-16 is fly-by-wire in that the joystick
14:12SPEAKERthat controls the flight stick that controls the thing
14:14SPEAKERand the pedals that control the rudders and the throttle
14:16SPEAKERaren't actually, like in the old days,
14:18SPEAKERyou'd push the throttle forward
14:20SPEAKERand it'd pull one of those cords with the wire
14:21SPEAKERinside it and that would pull a throttle linkage
14:24SPEAKERinside the engine that would put more gas
14:26SPEAKERin the back of the plane.
14:27SPEAKER- You're mechanically operating a sequence of moving parts,
14:30SPEAKERright, that tangibly from like your input
14:32SPEAKERto whatever happens is all sort of physically connected.
14:35SPEAKER- Yes, with fly-by-wire, those things are connected
14:38SPEAKERto sensors that send electrical impulses
14:40SPEAKERthrough to the thing that does the actuation.
14:42SPEAKERSo, and there's varying levels in between.
14:45SPEAKERSo like in cars, I think I read that electrics and hybrids
14:51SPEAKERusually have some degree of like mechanical assistant,
14:56SPEAKERsorry, they're fly-by-wire unless the power goes out
14:59SPEAKERand then there's a mechanical assist
15:01SPEAKERthat hits a hydraulic thing that triggers
15:04SPEAKERlike a pump that pumps hydraulic fluid into the brakes
15:07SPEAKERso that you can stop the car.
15:08SPEAKER- So that's just a safety fallback.
15:10SPEAKER- If the 12-volt power comes out in your car
15:12SPEAKERand it was pure fly-by-wire, you have no brakes.
15:15SPEAKERIt's bad, nobody wants that.
15:17SPEAKERSo yeah, like with that, when you press the pedal hard enough
15:21SPEAKERit actually it's a pump and the pump pumps hydraulic fluid
15:24SPEAKERinto the brakes, which makes them stop.
15:26SPEAKER- Oh, is that just a pressure thing?
15:27SPEAKEREven if the power is on, if you jam the brake hard enough
15:29SPEAKERthat kicks in? - I don't know if you can
15:31SPEAKERhit the brake hard enough when the power is on.
15:33SPEAKER- Oh, interesting, yeah, okay.
15:35SPEAKER- It seems like, I wanna say that Toyota and Ford
15:40SPEAKERand Mazda maybe, who I think does design share
15:44SPEAKERwith Ford sometimes, all use the same system for that.
15:49SPEAKER- Interesting.
15:50SPEAKER- And then on pure electric cars it's the same situation
15:52SPEAKER'cause you do adaptive regeneration on the brakes
15:54SPEAKERfor hybrids and electric cars, so you need fly-by-wire.
15:57SPEAKERBut like at a lesser level, anti-lock brakes
16:02SPEAKERare similar to that in that they take an input
16:05SPEAKERfrom you pushing the pedal down.
16:07SPEAKERAnd remember when we were, you might be too young,
16:09SPEAKERbut when I was a kid they were told us to pump the brakes
16:10SPEAKERif you ever had to really stop hard.
16:12SPEAKERAnd the anti-lock brakes just does that pumping for you
16:16SPEAKERin a controlled way, based on input from sensors
16:18SPEAKERand the road.
16:19SPEAKER- I think that was a little before my time.
16:22SPEAKER- There's probably just like two years.
16:24SPEAKERBut yeah, so the takeaway is don't pump anti-lock brakes.
16:28SPEAKERThis is an old person problem.
16:30SPEAKERSame thing, but the steering wheel and stuff
16:32SPEAKERis fly-by-wire in a lot of newer cars.
16:33SPEAKER- I was gonna ask, is power steering a more rudimentary,
16:36SPEAKERor is that a hydraulic system?
16:37SPEAKER- Power steering is a hydraulic assist
16:40SPEAKERto make it easier to turn the wheel.
16:42SPEAKERBut there are more fly-by-wire,
16:46SPEAKERlike a Tesla wheel I don't think is connected
16:48SPEAKERto the linkage that drives the front,
16:50SPEAKERthat turns the front of the car.
16:51SPEAKERI could be wrong on that.
16:52SPEAKER- I would believe that about Tesla.
16:54SPEAKER- You can turn the wheel, you can use the steering wheel
16:56SPEAKERto control the games in the center console.
16:58SPEAKER- Maybe not the best idea.
16:59SPEAKER- Well, you gotta kill some time while you're charging.
17:01SPEAKER- Do they have more games?
17:02SPEAKERDo they have more than Cuphead in there now?
17:03SPEAKER- It's like Cuphead is a racing game.
17:05SPEAKER- Such a weird game to start with.
17:06SPEAKERWhy Cuphead of all games?
17:08SPEAKER- Probably 'cause it runs on the Tegra.
17:10SPEAKER- 'Cause it's a Tegra chip or a dash.
17:13SPEAKERI mean, if you think about all the stuff
17:14SPEAKERthat runs on Nvidia hardware,
17:15SPEAKERit has to be something that fits
17:17SPEAKERinto that weird aspect ratio.
17:18SPEAKER- It's such a weird retro lo-fi thing to play
17:21SPEAKERin your weird future battery car with a giant screen.
17:25SPEAKER- It's some pretty modern design
17:26SPEAKERon a retro lo-fi looking game.
17:28SPEAKER- It's a good looking game, don't get me wrong.
17:29SPEAKER- I don't know, you hate Cuphead too,
17:31SPEAKERafter all the things you hated last week that I love.
17:33SPEAKER- I don't hate Cuphead, all right, it's a little hard.
17:36SPEAKER- It's too hard for me, I can't play it.
17:37SPEAKER- I enjoyed it.
17:40SPEAKER- Here is an email from John in Texas.
17:44SPEAKER- Hi John.
17:45SPEAKER- About things we didn't enjoy because they never existed.
17:48SPEAKERHe says, vaporware has existed forever
17:51SPEAKERand is one of the things that I have always found interesting
17:54SPEAKERbe it software or hardware.
17:56SPEAKERThere's even more of it now that things like Indiegogo
17:58SPEAKERand Kickstarter exist, although now they are cracking down
18:02SPEAKERon those kinds of things.
18:04SPEAKERBut what is your favorite all time vaporware?
18:07SPEAKERIt can either be something that was announced
18:09SPEAKERor that you heard about from quote, sources.
18:12SPEAKER- Half Life 3.
18:15SPEAKER- I don't know, does that count?
18:16SPEAKER- They never announced it.
18:17SPEAKER- They never announced it.
18:18SPEAKER- Episode, Half Life 3, episode three.
18:20SPEAKER- I think they said the words Half Life 2, episode three,
18:23SPEAKERright, that was promised.
18:24SPEAKER- Half Life 2, episode three.
18:25SPEAKER- That was, that was on a--
18:26SPEAKER- Half Life 2, episode two ends on a cliffhanger.
18:28SPEAKER- Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said at the outset
18:30SPEAKERthere would be three of them.
18:31SPEAKER- Yes, and then there never was.
18:33SPEAKER- I think episode three does count as vaporware,
18:34SPEAKERI don't know that Half Life 3 does though,
18:36SPEAKERunless you wanna get into things you've heard.
18:39SPEAKER- I haven't heard anything.
18:40SPEAKER- No?
18:41SPEAKER- Well, maybe, I don't know.
18:43SPEAKER(laughing)
18:44SPEAKER- Sounds like a dangerous topic.
18:47SPEAKER- I don't know that there is vaporware anymore.
18:49SPEAKER- Yeah, we were really talking about this before the show,
18:52SPEAKERtrying to come up with some examples.
18:53SPEAKER- Not a way to lift the curtain, Brad.
18:55SPEAKER(laughing)
18:57SPEAKER- Like, obviously Duke Nukem Forever
18:59SPEAKERis the kind of classic example.
19:02SPEAKER- It was, it took so long to make
19:04SPEAKERthat by the time it came out,
19:06SPEAKERit was irrelevant on two different fronts,
19:08SPEAKERboth the content and the game, how design.
19:10SPEAKER- Yep, and the technology.
19:12SPEAKER- Yeah, three fronts then, yeah.
19:15SPEAKER- There's not that much of this stuff
19:17SPEAKERin my mind these days, I feel like.
19:19SPEAKER- Why do you think that is?
19:21SPEAKER- I don't know, like the phantom from back,
19:24SPEAKERyou remember the phantom that comes to mind?
19:25SPEAKER- That was on the Wikipedia list of famous vaporware.
19:27SPEAKER- Oh, was it really?
19:28SPEAKERI didn't even look at that.
19:29SPEAKER- They finally released the lap board.
19:31SPEAKER- The lap board was like the interesting tech part
19:33SPEAKERof that thing, I think, and that did come out.
19:34SPEAKER- People wouldn't hate it.
19:36SPEAKER- People sell those.
19:37SPEAKERLike, Corsair sells a thing that's like that.
19:39SPEAKERWell, yeah, it's like you can jam
19:41SPEAKERone of their mechanical keyboards in too,
19:43SPEAKERand then it's like got a Bluetooth radio or something,
19:46SPEAKERand you plug it in and it's wireless.
19:50SPEAKERYeah, I don't, I think,
19:52SPEAKERI feel like maybe games don't get announced
19:55SPEAKERearly enough to, like, by the time a game gets announced,
19:57SPEAKERit's pretty much gonna come out,
19:59SPEAKERunless it's like an NBA game.
20:01SPEAKER- Like game software, I feel like, yeah,
20:02SPEAKERis not great in this category these days.
20:04SPEAKERI do have a little bit of a fascination
20:06SPEAKERwith some of the kind of middle period console boxes
20:09SPEAKERthat got announced and didn't really go anywhere.
20:11SPEAKERLike, like the Phantom is one.
20:13SPEAKER- The Phantom is one, yeah.
20:13SPEAKER- The Nuon.
20:14SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I remember that one.
20:16SPEAKER- Like the Apple Pippin,
20:17SPEAKERwhich I think did make it to market.
20:18SPEAKER- Really?
20:19SPEAKER- Barely.
20:20SPEAKER- Oh.
20:21SPEAKER- Or I think you can get them, right?
20:22SPEAKER- Do you remember the 3Com Audrey?
20:23SPEAKERThis is one of my favorites.
20:24SPEAKER- The what?
20:25SPEAKER- The 3Com Audrey was a hub.
20:27SPEAKER- Oh God, it took me a minute to remember what 3Com was.
20:29SPEAKER- 3Com made modems and also the Palm Pilot.
20:32SPEAKER- Yeah, right.
20:32SPEAKER- It was a hub for the Palm Pilots.
20:35SPEAKER- Okay.
20:35SPEAKER- So like, imagine you, your partner and your child
20:38SPEAKERall had Palm Pilots and needed a way to sync the schedules
20:42SPEAKERacross all those devices.
20:43SPEAKERYou could come up and plug your palms into the Audrey.
20:45SPEAKER- Is that their attempt?
20:46SPEAKER- It had a little screen.
20:47SPEAKER- Okay.
20:48SPEAKER- And you could, it would have the shared calendar on it.
20:50SPEAKER- Is that their attempt at the Lisa?
20:52SPEAKER- No, it was, it was, it was more of an embedded thing.
20:55SPEAKERI don't think it had an extra-
20:56SPEAKER- No, no, no, but I mean, just a bit more just naming.
20:58SPEAKER- They were definitely trying to, it was very friendly.
21:00SPEAKERIt was white and blue plastic.
21:02SPEAKER- Okay.
21:03SPEAKER- And like, it looked like you could hold it in your hands.
21:04SPEAKER- I believe that.
21:05SPEAKER- It was nice.
21:06SPEAKER- I was trying to think of some other examples
21:07SPEAKERfrom just the computing world, like-
21:10SPEAKER- WebOS.
21:11SPEAKER- Well, that came out.
21:12SPEAKERI own, I still have a functional HP touch pad
21:15SPEAKERaround here somewhere.
21:16SPEAKER- Well, and it's also-
21:16SPEAKER- It has WebOS on it.
21:17SPEAKER- It's also the heart of all the LG Smart GBs now.
21:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw that, I thought that was strange.
21:23SPEAKERLike, did they buy WebOS from HP?
21:25SPEAKER- Yeah, they bought from HP.
21:26SPEAKER- Huh, is that thing actually like good and robust enough
21:28SPEAKERto be able to put the wiring?
21:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
21:31SPEAKER- Like, I thought it was okay.
21:32SPEAKER- Well, but like they just-
21:33SPEAKER- I see people talk about it in like kind of loving terms
21:36SPEAKERthat I don't fully understand,
21:37SPEAKER'cause I don't know what's so unique about it.
21:39SPEAKER- It was, it did a lot of the stuff
21:41SPEAKERthat Android was good at at the time.
21:43SPEAKER- Okay.
21:44SPEAKER- But iOS was bad at like multitasking.
21:46SPEAKER- Okay.
21:47SPEAKER- And it did them in ways that were designed
21:50SPEAKERthat were more appley.
21:51SPEAKER- Huh, would you say it was a little ahead of its time?
21:54SPEAKER- It was kind of like, like BOS.
21:56SPEAKER- Okay.
21:57SPEAKER- It was kind of an alternative path-
21:58SPEAKER- I see.
21:59SPEAKER- That phones could have taken.
22:00SPEAKER- With some good ideas?
22:01SPEAKER- Yeah, good ideas executed well.
22:02SPEAKER- Good implementation?
22:03SPEAKER- With terrible marketing at the wrong time in the cycle.
22:06SPEAKER- And does LG just own the whole thing now?
22:09SPEAKER- I don't have any idea.
22:10SPEAKERI think LG bought the OS, and I don't know what happened.
22:13SPEAKEROr maybe they just licensed it, I don't know.
22:15SPEAKER- Have you, do you have a lot of hands-on time
22:17SPEAKERwith their newer TVs?
22:18SPEAKERI wonder how that stuff is.
22:19SPEAKER- I've used Gary and Norm's TVs a little bit.
22:21SPEAKERIt seems really good.
22:22SPEAKERLike, neither of them have Apple TVs hooked up anymore.
22:25SPEAKER- Oh, wow, they just use the TV stuff?
22:26SPEAKER- Or they just use the Apple TVs for Apple stuff.
22:28SPEAKER- The built-in.
22:29SPEAKER- I would say that Norm says the Apple, the built-in stuff,
22:31SPEAKERis good.
22:32SPEAKER- Like, I guess kind of how smart the smart stuff in TVs is,
22:36SPEAKERis like a whole episode unto itself at this point.
22:38SPEAKERBut like, it's been so long.
22:39SPEAKERSo like, my TV was bought in 2012, I think?
22:43SPEAKERLike, it's very outdated at this point.
22:43SPEAKER- That's what I got mine.
22:44SPEAKER- So like, I don't really have much of a sense
22:46SPEAKERof how good the embedded, but like-
22:48SPEAKER- The embedded apps in our TVs were bad
22:50SPEAKERwhen they were brand new.
22:51SPEAKER- Yes, they're unusable.
22:52SPEAKER- Same thing for my, I have a 2008,
22:55SPEAKERI have like a 38-inch 2008 Vizio.
22:58SPEAKERIt's not-
22:59SPEAKER- It's good, horrendous.
23:00SPEAKER- My sister-in-law has a TV that has a Roku built-in
23:02SPEAKERthat's awesome.
23:03SPEAKER- Okay.
23:04SPEAKER- It's same era.
23:04SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:05SPEAKER- So it was like a hundred dollar option.
23:06SPEAKER- Yeah, actually, my parents got like a $250 TCL
23:09SPEAKERover the holidays last year that has the Roku stuff built-in.
23:12SPEAKER- It's great.
23:13SPEAKER- Totally fine.
23:13SPEAKER- Yeah, so like, I think we've reached the point
23:15SPEAKERwhere it's good enough.
23:16SPEAKER- You're just gonna get like a halfway decent ARM chip
23:18SPEAKERin there that's probably really good stuff?
23:19SPEAKER- Yeah, it's probably fine.
23:20SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:22SPEAKEROkay.
23:24SPEAKER- So yeah, I don't know.
23:26SPEAKERI don't think anything, I don't think,
23:28SPEAKERon the hardware side,
23:29SPEAKERwell, we didn't talk about Kickstarter
23:31SPEAKER'cause Kickstarter is a,
23:32SPEAKERlike a lot of stuff gets Kickstarted,
23:35SPEAKERbut I don't think that counts as vaporware
23:37SPEAKERsince you're basically taking,
23:38SPEAKERlike Kickstarter makes it really clear
23:40SPEAKERthat you're taking a gamble when you back a Kickstarter now.
23:43SPEAKERSo I feel like that maybe doesn't count.
23:45SPEAKER- It feels like a different category
23:47SPEAKERof undelivered product to me.
23:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:50SPEAKER- Kind of, if that makes sense.
23:50SPEAKER- Yeah, like I backed, when I was at Tested,
23:52SPEAKERwe backed that Virtuous Omni, the VR treadmill.
23:57SPEAKER- Okay. - It looks like a disc
23:58SPEAKERthat you wear special shoes on.
23:59SPEAKERYou slide around.
24:00SPEAKER- I feel like people have been trying that for so long.
24:02SPEAKER- I've used one, it's bad.
24:04SPEAKER- Like I remember seeing something along those lines
24:06SPEAKERat an E3 like 15 to 20 years ago, I feel like.
24:10SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
24:11SPEAKERSo we backed this in, I don't know,
24:14SPEAKERit was before the DK1 came out probably.
24:16SPEAKER- Okay.
24:17SPEAKER- And I got the fulfillment email
24:19SPEAKERafter I'd already left Tested in 2015,
24:22SPEAKERand I sent it to Norm,
24:23SPEAKERand I don't think he even bothered to fill it in
24:26SPEAKERbecause we're fine.
24:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:29SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:31SPEAKER- The only other thing I thought of was like,
24:33SPEAKERI was trying to think about like operating system level
24:35SPEAKERstuff, like didn't Vista have some promised features that.
24:39SPEAKER- Well, they've restarted Vista twice.
24:40SPEAKER- Yeah, and I feel like,
24:43SPEAKERI want to say there were features promised for Vista
24:45SPEAKERthat not only didn't make it into Vista,
24:46SPEAKERbut have never materialized period.
24:47SPEAKER- Oh, the file system.
24:48SPEAKER- That's the one, that was the big one
24:49SPEAKERthat I was thinking of.
24:50SPEAKER- It was a database based file system,
24:51SPEAKERI don't remember what they called it.
24:52SPEAKER- But there was a fair amount of hype around it,
24:54SPEAKERand I don't quite remember why,
24:57SPEAKERbut the reason it stands out to me
24:58SPEAKERis that not only did they not get that component into Vista,
25:01SPEAKERbut then now we're still on NTFS.
25:04SPEAKERHow, like, what is it?
25:05SPEAKER- Well, we're newer versions of NTFS.
25:08SPEAKER- Well, yeah, obviously they've been iterating on it, but.
25:12SPEAKER- So the big deal with the Longhorn file system,
25:15SPEAKERWinFS is what it was called.
25:16SPEAKER- Okay.
25:18SPEAKER- Was that it was based on a relational database,
25:20SPEAKERso instead of storing stuff in blocks on the drive,
25:23SPEAKERyou'd have basically a database layer,
25:25SPEAKERadded an additional layer between the metal of the drive.
25:28SPEAKER- Which I think is somewhat,
25:29SPEAKERor to some extent it's how ZFS works.
25:31SPEAKER- Kind of how ZFS works.
25:32SPEAKER- Not quite the same, but.
25:33SPEAKER- Yeah, the goal was to make it searchable.
25:35SPEAKERSo if you remember, in Windows XP,
25:40SPEAKERalmost all of us had installed some garbage utility,
25:43SPEAKERincluding the thing built by Microsoft,
25:45SPEAKERthat would index and scan the hard drive,
25:47SPEAKERand took a ton of overhead,
25:48SPEAKER'cause it was constantly scraping and looking,
25:50SPEAKERand you couldn't even really search inside documents.
25:52SPEAKERThe thing that happened was,
25:54SPEAKERso the idea was, rather than storing everything
25:56SPEAKERin containers like we do now,
25:58SPEAKERso like a Word docx is a zip file,
26:02SPEAKERor it may not be a zip,
26:03SPEAKERbut it's like a slightly compressed file,
26:06SPEAKERwith an XML file inside that
26:08SPEAKERthat describes the contents of the file,
26:10SPEAKERand all the attachments inside the container.
26:13SPEAKER- And reading that on a per file basis,
26:15SPEAKERyou have to deal with IO constraints and stuff,
26:17SPEAKERit's just not very efficient.
26:18SPEAKER- Yeah, so the upshot was,
26:20SPEAKERthe idea was we would just store the files in the database,
26:23SPEAKERbut it turns out it's just easier to store,
26:25SPEAKERto make an XML file that has that information in it,
26:27SPEAKERand then let the, teach the scraper
26:30SPEAKERhow to scrape through that stuff.
26:31SPEAKER- I see, yeah.
26:32SPEAKER- So that's my guess, I don't know if that's correct,
26:35SPEAKERbut that's my assumption.
26:36SPEAKER- Well, it definitely seems like NTFS
26:38SPEAKERis here to stay for a while.
26:39SPEAKER- I think we're, I think NTFS, yeah.
26:42SPEAKERLike it would be nice to add journaling
26:43SPEAKERand stuff like that to NTFS.
26:45SPEAKER- What does journaling do?
26:46SPEAKERI think, I feel like on a practical level,
26:48SPEAKERit's one of the things that lets you survive
26:50SPEAKERlike a power failure, and not lose any data.
26:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
26:53SPEAKER- But I don't know how it works.
26:54SPEAKER- I don't know how it works.
26:55SPEAKERIt has to do with, it has to do with,
26:57SPEAKERbasically it keeps a record of all the writes and reads,
26:59SPEAKERis my understanding.
27:00SPEAKER- I see.
27:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so you can go back and recreate changes
27:03SPEAKERif you lose stuff.
27:04SPEAKER- Okay, all right, Will.
27:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
27:06SPEAKER- Here it is, here's a first.
27:08SPEAKER- Okay.
27:08SPEAKER- For this podcast.
27:09SPEAKER- Yes.
27:10SPEAKER- We have our first anonymous email.
27:11SPEAKER- Oh man.
27:12SPEAKER- This information is too hot to identify the source.
27:14SPEAKER- I hope this isn't about pooping.
27:16SPEAKER- No.
27:16SPEAKER- Okay, that's good.
27:17SPEAKER- It's arguably more disturbing.
27:18SPEAKER- 'Cause it's not about 80s music either, is it?
27:20SPEAKER- Nope, nope, definitely not that.
27:21SPEAKER- All these are good.
27:22SPEAKER- It is about a person writing in
27:24SPEAKERwho's a significant other is involved in
27:27SPEAKERwhat I'm going to dub the Costco chicken industrial complex.
27:30SPEAKER- What?
27:31SPEAKER(laughs)
27:32SPEAKERThis is not at all where I expected this to go.
27:33SPEAKER- I know, this is--
27:34SPEAKER- Except for we did talk about it before the show.
27:35SPEAKER- This email is definitely sort of making me question
27:37SPEAKERwhat this podcast is actually about.
27:39SPEAKER- I like that they're getting this information out here.
27:42SPEAKER- When did we even, was this during the food episode
27:44SPEAKERa few weeks ago?
27:45SPEAKER- I--
27:46SPEAKER- Must be.
27:47SPEAKER- One of my favorite ideas is that the geological definition
27:52SPEAKERof our time is going to be microplastics and chicken bones.
27:56SPEAKER- Okay, oh right, yes.
27:57SPEAKERI think we talked about that briefly.
27:58SPEAKER- And we talked like a million years from now
28:00SPEAKERwhen the aliens or like the insect descendants
28:03SPEAKERthat have gone sentient are digging up to find out
28:05SPEAKERwhat was on the earth before.
28:07SPEAKERThey'd be like, it's weird,
28:08SPEAKERthere's like a three inch layer here
28:09SPEAKERthat's just all plastic beads and chicken bones.
28:12SPEAKER- Tiny fossilized bones.
28:13SPEAKER- These strangely evolved birds that can barely walk
28:17SPEAKERand yeah, anyway.
28:19SPEAKER- Well, this email should help demystify
28:23SPEAKERwhere some of those bones are coming from.
28:25SPEAKER- Is this gonna make me a vegetarian?
28:26SPEAKER- I don't know, probably not.
28:28SPEAKERIt's more just kind of more stats and figures
28:30SPEAKERwhich are themselves pretty eye-opening.
28:32SPEAKER- Popeye's just got the chicken sandwich back.
28:33SPEAKERI gotta--
28:34SPEAKER- I haven't gotten to try that thing yet.
28:35SPEAKERIt was pretty good.
28:36SPEAKERIt's, you know, no bow jangles.
28:39SPEAKER- Yeah, well, that would be hard.
28:41SPEAKER- Yeah, all right.
28:42SPEAKER- Okay, this person says,
28:45SPEAKERfirst off the operation is centered in Fremont, Nebraska
28:47SPEAKERand the surrounding area.
28:48SPEAKER- That's pretty specific.
28:50SPEAKER- My significant other is just about
28:51SPEAKERto start raising chickens for Costco.
28:53SPEAKERSo I know a thing or two about the whole setup.
28:55SPEAKER- Oh boy.
28:56SPEAKER- First, there are three types of operations.
28:58SPEAKEROne will raise the chickens to be consumed.
29:01SPEAKERThat is receive them at a week old
29:04SPEAKERand raise them for 44 days.
29:05SPEAKER- Okay.
29:06SPEAKER- This is what my significant other is doing.
29:08SPEAKEROne raises chicks to be mothers.
29:10SPEAKERThat one is a cycle of a few months.
29:11SPEAKER- Is that like an egg situation?
29:13SPEAKER- I guess so.
29:14SPEAKER- Okay.
29:14SPEAKER- Or you raise the chicken or the chick to maturity
29:16SPEAKERso it can start laying.
29:17SPEAKER- Okay.
29:18SPEAKER- And finally, you can farm the mother's eggs
29:20SPEAKERand incubate them.
29:21SPEAKER- Oh.
29:23SPEAKER- My significant other is farming the quote broilers,
29:25SPEAKERthe chickens that will be consumed.
29:28SPEAKERShe will receive 400,000 chickens every two months.
29:31SPEAKER- Sweet merciful jeebus.
29:34SPEAKER- She raised, I don't even--
29:36SPEAKER- Is it like--
29:37SPEAKER- The logistics of, I can't--
29:39SPEAKER- How many chickens can you fit in an 18 wheeler?
29:40SPEAKER- I don't, that's like, I feel like that starts
29:43SPEAKERgetting into like ethics of food territory
29:45SPEAKERthat I'm hard on comfortable pondering.
29:47SPEAKER- Keep reading, I'm gonna, to Google.
29:50SPEAKER- Okay, she'll receive 400,000 chickens every two months.
29:53SPEAKERShe raises them for 44 days
29:55SPEAKERand then she has a two week break in between.
29:57SPEAKER- I assume that's just shoveling chicken shit
29:59SPEAKERout of the, probably.
30:00SPEAKER- Oh, this is the smallest scale broiler operation
30:04SPEAKERavailable with four barns.
30:06SPEAKER- What?
30:07SPEAKER- There are also eight and 12 barn operations.
30:10SPEAKERSo, it's possible to--
30:13SPEAKER- So that would be 12, 1.2 million chickens.
30:16SPEAKER- It is possible to raise 1.2 million chickens
30:18SPEAKERin a single farming operation.
30:20SPEAKER- Oh my God, I was joking about the chicken layer.
30:22SPEAKER- Every two months.
30:23SPEAKER- But, wow.
30:27SPEAKER- If we do the math, also yeah,
30:29SPEAKERhe puts it into perspective here.
30:31SPEAKERIf we do the math, roughly 400,000 chickens minimum
30:33SPEAKERevery two months, that's roughly 2.4 million a year.
30:36SPEAKERThis is just out of the operation
30:38SPEAKERthat he's associated with.
30:40SPEAKERNow, I don't know how many total operations there are,
30:42SPEAKERbut there's one other farm near us in eastern Nebraska
30:44SPEAKERdoing this, who is building 12 barns.
30:47SPEAKERI guess that means he's at 7.2 million chickens per year.
30:52SPEAKERPerhaps even crazier is that Costco is only intending
30:54SPEAKERon replacing 40% of their $5 chickens with this operation.
31:00SPEAKERThat sort of leads into the last thing I wanted to mention,
31:02SPEAKERthat Costco is really doing right by farmers
31:04SPEAKERwith this operation.
31:05SPEAKERTypically, chicken farming contracts
31:07SPEAKERare the most notorious anti-farmer contracts out there.
31:11SPEAKERCostco, however, has guaranteed pay through, let's see.
31:17SPEAKEROh, I'm sorry, I misread that.
31:18SPEAKERCostco has guaranteed pay, though,
31:19SPEAKERalong with some incentive-based goals.
31:21SPEAKER- Oh, that's good.
31:23SPEAKER- Most importantly, since they're only aiming
31:25SPEAKERto supplement 40% of their chickens with this operation,
31:28SPEAKERthey could lose half of their chicken consumers
31:29SPEAKERand still keep these farmers employed,
31:31SPEAKERwhich isn't something you can say
31:33SPEAKERwith most other animal contracts besides hogs.
31:38SPEAKERBut since Costco's chicken sales have increased
31:39SPEAKERyear over year for the past decade,
31:42SPEAKERI don't know if there's much risk
31:43SPEAKERof the bottom dropping out.
31:44SPEAKER- According to the internet,
31:45SPEAKERyou can fit about at least 5,000 chickens
31:48SPEAKERinto an 18-wheeler.
31:49SPEAKER- Wow.
31:50SPEAKERWhat?
31:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
31:52SPEAKER- Okay, what is the square footage?
31:54SPEAKERWhat's the square foot size of an 18-wheeler?
31:56SPEAKERIt can't be that much, right?
31:58SPEAKER- Chickens are pretty small, Brad.
31:59SPEAKER- 5,000 chickens in a single trailer?
32:03SPEAKER- I don't know.
32:04SPEAKERLook, I found an article about a chicken trailer
32:07SPEAKERoverturning and more than 5,000 chickens getting loose.
32:10SPEAKER- Oh, boy.
32:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:12SPEAKER- Man, those--
32:13SPEAKER- That's a lot of chickens.
32:14SPEAKER- Those Costco, I'm not on the take from Costco
32:16SPEAKERhere or anything, but those Costco chickens are really good.
32:18SPEAKER- I don't think I've ever had one.
32:19SPEAKER- They're very good.
32:21SPEAKER- Our food item at Costco is to get the $8 pizza
32:24SPEAKERor whatever it is.
32:25SPEAKER- Really?
32:26SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:27SPEAKER- Oh, the chicken is--
32:28SPEAKER- The pizza is, look, when I was at Future,
32:31SPEAKERour office was right down the street from a Costco
32:33SPEAKERand that was a fairly regular lunch option.
32:35SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, of course.
32:36SPEAKEROh, come on, I mean, you're relatively young
32:38SPEAKERand working in the tech press.
32:39SPEAKERThere's gonna be a lot of pizza consumed.
32:40SPEAKER- Yeah, we would often, on crunch week,
32:43SPEAKERwe would send two people to go out and get four or five
32:47SPEAKERpizzas and--
32:48SPEAKER- I get it.
32:49SPEAKER- I like that better than a Little Caesars Hot and Ready.
32:51SPEAKER- You know, a rotisserie chicken,
32:52SPEAKERmaybe not most appropriate office environment eating.
32:56SPEAKER- I mean, it's a little hard.
32:56SPEAKERWhat do you do with your rotisserie?
32:58SPEAKERDo you just eat them plain?
32:58SPEAKER- That's the thing, they're so versatile.
33:00SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:01SPEAKER- Yeah, a lot of the time, we'll just pull the breast off
33:02SPEAKERand heat it in a pan and just eat it as is.
33:06SPEAKER- We'll do that.
33:07SPEAKER- But, I mean, you name it, man.
33:09SPEAKERLike just about anything you can do with chicken, you can--
33:12SPEAKER- I usually take the breasts off and we'll eat them
33:14SPEAKERfor like dinner with some potatoes or Brussels or something.
33:17SPEAKER- A proper roaster.
33:18SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:19SPEAKER- A broiler, excuse me.
33:19SPEAKER- And then the rest of it, I'll chop the meat off of
33:21SPEAKERand turn it to chicken salad or something like that.
33:23SPEAKER- Chicken salad or chicken soup.
33:24SPEAKER- Yeah, you can put the carcass in.
33:26SPEAKER- Yeah, so we make stock with the carcass on occasion.
33:29SPEAKERThat's the good stuff.
33:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
33:31SPEAKER- But those chickens, the Costco chickens,
33:33SPEAKERare amazingly juicy and succulent.
33:35SPEAKER- It's funny, so Amazon Whole Foods,
33:38SPEAKERAmazon/Whole Foods does a loss leader chicken now
33:42SPEAKERthat's I think like eight bucks that's very good.
33:46SPEAKER- Okay, I believe it.
33:47SPEAKER- Wonder what the cost is.
33:49SPEAKER- Heat is more than five though, I've gotta tell you.
33:50SPEAKER- It is more, but also they deliver, is the thing.
33:53SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.
33:54SPEAKER- 'Cause, you know.
33:55SPEAKER- Broilers right here door.
33:57SPEAKER- Our dystopian nightmare world.
33:59SPEAKERHoly shit, 400,000 every 40 days.
34:02SPEAKER- That's a lot of chickens.
34:03SPEAKER- That's a bunch of chickens.
34:04SPEAKER- That's a terrifying number of chickens.
34:06SPEAKERI can't imagine why it needs two weeks downtime in between.
34:08SPEAKERThat's the thing that's the scariest part of this to me.
34:11SPEAKER- That's, well it's not.
34:12SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just, I'm glad.
34:14SPEAKERThere were a bunch of chicken barns
34:15SPEAKERby the, around the corner from my house when I was a kid,
34:17SPEAKERbut they did not hold 400,000 chickens.
34:19SPEAKER- I think we've reached the limits
34:20SPEAKERof what we need to know about this chicken operation.
34:22SPEAKER- If I want to continue consuming chicken.
34:24SPEAKER- I need to not talk about this anymore.
34:26SPEAKER- That's fair.
34:28SPEAKERAll right, Will.
34:29SPEAKER- Hey, Brad.
34:29SPEAKER- I'm not going to refer this,
34:31SPEAKERrefer to this as a correction.
34:33SPEAKER- We don't do corrections on podcasts.
34:34SPEAKERThat's how you ruin podcasts.
34:35SPEAKER- Let's say this is providing additional context.
34:37SPEAKER- I love more context.
34:38SPEAKER- We're expanding on something we talked about previously.
34:41SPEAKER- This is about the rice.
34:42SPEAKER- Well, we'll get to that.
34:43SPEAKER- Okay.
34:44SPEAKER- This is about, this is from Kush.
34:46SPEAKER- Hey, Kush.
34:47SPEAKER- On a recent podcast,
34:49SPEAKERyou mentioned that you had a recommendation
34:50SPEAKERfor an external USB SSD for use for the NAS.
34:53SPEAKERHowever, now I can't find it in the show notes
34:55SPEAKERor on Twitter.
34:57SPEAKERCan you post the recommendation again?
34:58SPEAKER- So in the world of additional context,
35:02SPEAKERI mistook a inexpensive USB SSD
35:05SPEAKERfor an inexpensive SATA SSD.
35:08SPEAKER- Okay.
35:09SPEAKER- I bought a Kingston 120 gigabyte A400,
35:13SPEAKER3.2, sorry, 2.5 inch internal SSD.
35:17SPEAKER- So this is like--
35:17SPEAKER- For $21.99.
35:19SPEAKER- Wow, so this is standard laptop size,
35:22SPEAKERstandard just internal--
35:23SPEAKER- SSD, SSD, no NVMe, nothing fancy.
35:26SPEAKER- But just bare SATA ports on the drive?
35:27SPEAKER- Bare SATA ports.
35:28SPEAKER- As standard as it gets.
35:29SPEAKER- I plugged it into the internal SATA headers
35:32SPEAKERin the drive because I was going through
35:34SPEAKERtwo or three USB thumb drives a year,
35:37SPEAKEReven though I was buying kind of nice thumb drives.
35:39SPEAKER- I am having exactly the same experience.
35:40SPEAKER- Yeah, sometimes they're not designed to be on
35:43SPEAKERand written due all the time.
35:44SPEAKER- Using them as a system drive,
35:46SPEAKERdespite what the FreeNAS community would have you believe
35:48SPEAKERis maybe not the most reliable use case
35:51SPEAKERfor cheapo USB thumb drives.
35:53SPEAKER- So if your motherboard has yellow SSD ports on it,
35:59SPEAKERthose are special--
36:00SPEAKER- You mean SATA ports?
36:01SPEAKER- SATA ports.
36:02SPEAKERThose are special USB ports.
36:04SPEAKERThey are called SATA DOM ports.
36:06SPEAKERYou can use them like normal SSD drives,
36:08SPEAKERbut they provide power to small SSDs.
36:11SPEAKER- Oh, interesting, okay.
36:12SPEAKER- So you can get like, it's like--
36:13SPEAKER- DOM is what, discount module, I think?
36:15SPEAKER- I think so, yeah.
36:16SPEAKERAnd it's basically like a little dongle
36:18SPEAKERthat looks like it's a little bit bigger
36:19SPEAKERthan a USB thumb drive.
36:20SPEAKERAnd you can plug those, one of those,
36:22SPEAKERyou don't have to provide power into a USB SATA port
36:25SPEAKERand it'll just work.
36:26SPEAKER- Interesting.
36:27SPEAKER- And that's the other option
36:28SPEAKERif you don't want to get a full 2.5 inch SSD.
36:31SPEAKER- You don't need 120 gigabytes for FreeNAS.
36:33SPEAKER- Ooh.
36:34SPEAKER- You need like eight or something at this point, maybe 16.
36:37SPEAKER- I think a fresh installed boot environment
36:39SPEAKERis like a few hundred megabytes.
36:41SPEAKER- I think they recommend 16 gigabytes.
36:42SPEAKER- Oh yeah, they do recommend a space
36:44SPEAKER'cause it snapshots previous versions.
36:46SPEAKERSo you can always roll back if it needs to.
36:48SPEAKER- It fills up.
36:49SPEAKER- The big thing for me, the big thing for me
36:51SPEAKERis I like to run a mirrored install drive or boot drive
36:55SPEAKERjust in case.
36:56SPEAKER- I stopped doing that when I put the SSD in.
36:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean the SSD's probably gonna be fine by itself,
36:59SPEAKERbut I just like the additional security
37:01SPEAKERand that's easier to get with USB.
37:03SPEAKER- Yeah, that's sad, but.
37:05SPEAKER- Anyway, so look for that.
37:07SPEAKER- Yeah, Kingston A400.
37:09SPEAKERIt doesn't matter, I went with Kingston
37:11SPEAKER'cause they're reasonably reliable
37:13SPEAKERand they had a lot of ratings on iTunes, on Amazon
37:16SPEAKERand they were, it was $20.
37:19SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fine.
37:19SPEAKER- I was spending that much in SSDs twice a year.
37:21SPEAKER- I have to, I sympathize with him
37:23SPEAKER'cause I got all excited too about the idea
37:25SPEAKERof a drive that would plug straight into the USB header.
37:27SPEAKER- You could get an external SSD, but just USB.
37:30SPEAKER- Plugs into the USB.
37:31SPEAKER- But then you have to put a header in
37:32SPEAKERand then you have to plug it.
37:33SPEAKER- Yeah. - Anyway, yeah.
37:35SPEAKERYeah, so I bought one of the SATA DOM drives
37:38SPEAKERand had to send it back
37:39SPEAKER'cause my motherboard didn't have yellow ports.
37:42SPEAKER- No way to externally power it.
37:44SPEAKER- It was easier to just plug in a normal SSD.
37:46SPEAKER- Sure, that makes sense, yeah.
37:50SPEAKERSpeaking of additional context, I love additional context.
37:55SPEAKERThis one is from Jonathan.
37:56SPEAKER- Oh, hi Jonathan.
37:57SPEAKER- He says you can use the wrong slash in Windows
38:00SPEAKERto change directories if you use PowerShell
38:02SPEAKERrather than the command prompt.
38:03SPEAKER- Oh, this is a shout out to our last questions episode.
38:06SPEAKER- Yes, you can also use some other Linux commands
38:09SPEAKERand I believe syntax.
38:10SPEAKERSo for instance, LS works instead of four.
38:13SPEAKER- Yes.
38:15SPEAKER- Sorry, I'm not much of a Linux user.
38:17SPEAKERThe last version I really used was Red Hat 4, so.
38:20SPEAKER- Oh, and this person also found
38:22SPEAKERa worse monitor than yours.
38:23SPEAKER- Oh gosh, let's not.
38:25SPEAKER- Let's stick to the command prompt stuff.
38:27SPEAKER- It appears to be very thick.
38:28SPEAKERI've never seen one like this before.
38:29SPEAKER- Stick to the thing that he's talking to you about, not me.
38:32SPEAKER- So. - Yes, he's kind of harsh.
38:34SPEAKERCRT.
38:35SPEAKER- It's like a 19 inch CRT.
38:37SPEAKERWow, I remember.
38:38SPEAKER- It's a gold star monitor.
38:40SPEAKER- I had a gold star.
38:40SPEAKERI bought those for offices when I installed computers.
38:44SPEAKER- Isn't that the precursor to LG?
38:46SPEAKER- No, that's.
38:47SPEAKER- Doesn't LG stand for Lucky Gold Star?
38:48SPEAKER- Oh, it does stand for Lucky Gold Star.
38:49SPEAKERYou're right.
38:52SPEAKERThe other place you can use slashes the wrong way
38:54SPEAKERis in File Explorer.
38:55SPEAKERSomebody on Twitter pointed that out.
38:57SPEAKER- Okay.
38:58SPEAKER- So it's only the CMD program
39:01SPEAKERthat they have to be the right way.
39:02SPEAKER- I see.
39:03SPEAKER- But in PowerShell, which is like the,
39:05SPEAKERit replaced the POSIX extensions, I think, for Windows.
39:10SPEAKERAnd File Explorer, you can do whichever way you want.
39:13SPEAKER- I am one of the eight lunatics out there
39:15SPEAKERwho will type into File Explorer, so that's good to know.
39:18SPEAKER- I type into File Explorer.
39:19SPEAKERYou should, look, there's so many keyboard shortcuts.
39:22SPEAKER- Dude, yeah.
39:22SPEAKERDo you know you can just press the Windows key
39:24SPEAKERand type the name of the thing you want to launch
39:25SPEAKERand it just opens?
39:26SPEAKER- I do that every day.
39:27SPEAKER- It's the best.
39:28SPEAKERDid you know you can press Windows key plus one
39:30SPEAKERand it'll open the first program on your taskbar?
39:31SPEAKER- I did know that.
39:32SPEAKER- Did you know you can press Windows key plus four
39:34SPEAKERand it opens the fourth program on your taskbar?
39:35SPEAKER- I knew that too, by the associative property.
39:38SPEAKER- So you can press Windows plus P
39:39SPEAKERand it will change which monitors are active?
39:42SPEAKER- Yes, I use that all the time.
39:43SPEAKER- I use that one a lot.
39:44SPEAKER- With my 30-foot HDMI cable, God damn it.
39:46SPEAKERI used to be weirdly anti-keyboard shortcut.
39:48SPEAKERI don't know why.
39:49SPEAKER- Why would you be anti-keyboard shortcut?
39:50SPEAKER- Well, by used to, I mean like 20 years ago.
39:52SPEAKERI mean like back in the '90s or whatever.
39:54SPEAKER- Well, they weren't super useful.
39:56SPEAKER- Well, maybe they've gotten a lot better,
39:57SPEAKERbut I think my attitude was very much just like,
39:59SPEAKERwhy would I want to learn a bunch of keyboard shortcuts
40:01SPEAKERwhen I can just point at things with a mouse?
40:02SPEAKER- Yeah, and then you got old and your wrist started hurting.
40:04SPEAKER- Well, not only that, but I was like,
40:06SPEAKERoh, if I memorize keyboard shortcuts,
40:07SPEAKERI can get around 10 times faster.
40:09SPEAKERActually moving to a Mac is what did it.
40:13SPEAKERIn, I believe, I think 2008 is when I bought
40:15SPEAKERmy first MacBook.
40:16SPEAKER- Yeah.
40:17SPEAKER- So I hadn't like next to no OS X experience before that.
40:20SPEAKER- Oh, but Mac does a good, OS X surprisingly does
40:23SPEAKERa pretty good job of exposing the keyboard shortcuts
40:24SPEAKERin the menus because that's part of their design guidelines.
40:26SPEAKER- And just kind of providing a lot of very useful ones.
40:29SPEAKER- That's good.
40:30SPEAKER- I got used to the concept then,
40:32SPEAKERand then I feel like Windows has gotten a lot better
40:33SPEAKERabout providing good ones.
40:34SPEAKER- I feel like, yeah, when they first added the Windows key
40:37SPEAKERin that context menu, those two keys to the keyboard,
40:40SPEAKERlike what, 15 years ago now with Windows XP,
40:44SPEAKER19 years ago with Windows XP,
40:46SPEAKERthey didn't use those keys for anything good.
40:48SPEAKERAnd then around the time Windows 7 or Vista came out,
40:51SPEAKERthey started that like Windows plus L locks the computer.
40:56SPEAKER- Windows E opens a file explorer window.
40:58SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.
40:59SPEAKERYeah, I did know that.
41:00SPEAKERWindows tab is a good one 'cause it opens the multiple,
41:03SPEAKERlike if you get in a situation where a game
41:04SPEAKERor something has crashed and you can't get alt tab to work,
41:07SPEAKERWindows plus tab will let you go to the next desktop over,
41:09SPEAKERopen task manager, kill the thing that's broken
41:11SPEAKERand then switch back.
41:12SPEAKER- Even if you're not using multiple desktops,
41:13SPEAKERI think Windows plus tab is a better alt tab anyway.
41:17SPEAKER- Usually, yeah. - Well, actually,
41:19SPEAKERI guess that's really only true if you are using,
41:21SPEAKERwell, I guess because it does more of an OS X expose style
41:25SPEAKERof showing you window previews
41:27SPEAKERinstead of just a little bar of icons and stuff.
41:29SPEAKERI think that's just a better way to switch in general.
41:31SPEAKER- Windows plus, and when we say multiple desktops,
41:33SPEAKERwe don't mean multiple monitors,
41:34SPEAKERwe mean multiple virtual desktops.
41:36SPEAKER- Yes, and I believe Windows X opens a command prompt
41:39SPEAKERor PowerShell.
41:41SPEAKER- Yeah, that's right. - I think there's another one.
41:42SPEAKER- I think it's, I'd have to have a Windows computer
41:45SPEAKERin front of me to confirm, but yes.
41:47SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, so really good additional context.
41:56SPEAKER- Yes, we've really expanded on those topics.
41:58SPEAKER- I know, what a great job.
42:00SPEAKER- Completely accurate about from the very beginning.
42:02SPEAKER- Nailed it from the start.
42:04SPEAKER- Sticking with the old computer stuff here for a bit.
42:08SPEAKERHere's a question from Steve.
42:10SPEAKERWhen I was a kid, I got the notion
42:12SPEAKERthat we needed to upgrade our 66 megahertz 486
42:15SPEAKERand somehow convinced my dad to buy in.
42:18SPEAKERWe didn't get a new Pentium though,
42:20SPEAKERwe got a 100 megahertz 586,
42:22SPEAKERwhich we somehow Frankensteined
42:23SPEAKERinto the existing motherboard.
42:26SPEAKERMy question is, how did I do this?
42:28SPEAKERI'm definitely the one that did most
42:30SPEAKERof the physical smashing together of parts.
42:32SPEAKERAnd I realized as an adult,
42:34SPEAKERI have no idea how that actually worked.
42:36SPEAKERMy internet searching has come up woefully short.
42:39SPEAKERSo wasn't there like, from what I remember, yeah,
42:42SPEAKERwasn't there like a whole cottage industry
42:44SPEAKERof kind of backwards compatible,
42:46SPEAKERlike quasi 586 CPUs that got marketed as like,
42:51SPEAKERhere's a Pentium without a Pentium,
42:53SPEAKEReven though it's not exactly.
42:54SPEAKER- So do you remember when the SNES came out
42:57SPEAKERand everybody was like, why do I need to,
42:59SPEAKERI already have a Nintendo, why do I need another one?
43:01SPEAKERThis is just the same thing,
43:02SPEAKERdifferent shaped cartridge, this is bullshit.
43:04SPEAKER- The local news clips of parents complaining about that
43:07SPEAKERback then are fun to find on YouTube.
43:09SPEAKER- So the same thing happened,
43:11SPEAKERlike 46s were the first kind of mainstream home computers
43:14SPEAKERfor a lot of, 386s, 486s, like socket two
43:18SPEAKERand socket three based computers were really popular.
43:21SPEAKERAnd as a result, people bought them and thought,
43:23SPEAKERI got a computer.
43:24SPEAKER- Now I own a computer.
43:25SPEAKER- I have a fridge, I have a microwave oven,
43:27SPEAKERI have a computer, done.
43:29SPEAKERNever have to spend money on this again.
43:30SPEAKER- Well, I got this computer thing covered
43:32SPEAKERfor the next 50 years.
43:33SPEAKER- Yep, I'll run this one out until I die.
43:36SPEAKERAnd then it turns out that like six months later,
43:38SPEAKER16 new processors came out, Windows 95 hit
43:41SPEAKERand all those old computers were garbage,
43:43SPEAKERstraight in the trash.
43:45SPEAKERSo yeah, there was a cottage industry,
43:47SPEAKERCyrix, AMD, maybe not AMD,
43:50SPEAKERbut people built either processors
43:53SPEAKERthat would go into that socket
43:54SPEAKERthat had more advanced instruction texts
43:56SPEAKERand would run at higher clock speeds
43:58SPEAKERat the same bus speed as the motherboard.
44:01SPEAKER- Meaning that they were still inherently more limited,
44:04SPEAKERright, than--
44:04SPEAKER- Didn't matter then.
44:05SPEAKERI mean, yes, they were probably--
44:07SPEAKER- They were not as fast as it.
44:08SPEAKER- If you were buying a Pentium,
44:10SPEAKERwhat would it have been, a Pentium 100?
44:12SPEAKER- 100, 100?
44:12SPEAKER- I think the first--
44:13SPEAKER- 66, 90, 100, 120.
44:15SPEAKER- Oh, there was a 66, wasn't there?
44:16SPEAKER- I had a 60.
44:18SPEAKER- Was there a 60?
44:19SPEAKER- Yeah, there was a 60, a 66, a 75, and a 90.
44:22SPEAKER- Yeah, by the time we got one, it was a 75.
44:24SPEAKER- Yeah, 90, and then it was like 100, 120, 130,
44:27SPEAKER366, 200.
44:28SPEAKER- Well, over time, you're right, yeah.
44:30SPEAKERNot all at once, I don't think.
44:31SPEAKER- And then the Pentium IIs hit starting at 166
44:34SPEAKERand going up, and they were slots.
44:35SPEAKER- Yes.
44:36SPEAKER- And what happened was, socket seven was open.
44:39SPEAKERThat was the last of the open sockets.
44:41SPEAKER- Really, like not proprietary?
44:44SPEAKER- Not proprietary.
44:44SPEAKER- 'Cause there were AMD socket seven chips, too, right?
44:47SPEAKER- Yeah, so K6 was a socket seven chip.
44:52SPEAKERThere were a bunch of Cyrix and those guys,
44:55SPEAKERand the first Pentiums were socket four, five, six, seven.
45:00SPEAKERMaybe not four.
45:01SPEAKERThree and four, I think, were 486,
45:03SPEAKERand then five was the Pentium 60 through 90,
45:07SPEAKERand then the next Pentiums went into a different socket.
45:10SPEAKERAnyway, you could pull a socket seven chip out
45:12SPEAKERand put an AMD chip in, no problem.
45:14SPEAKERAnd they were good chips.
45:16SPEAKERIn the 486 days, lots of times those chips
45:19SPEAKERwere soldered on the motherboard,
45:21SPEAKERso what you would do is either jam something
45:23SPEAKERinto the 487 slot socket,
45:25SPEAKERwhich was the math coprocessor socket, it was external,
45:28SPEAKERor sometimes you just have a thing
45:30SPEAKERthat would hump onto the old CPU,
45:35SPEAKERand it would just touch the leads.
45:39SPEAKERI don't know how it worked,
45:40SPEAKERbut you just put it on top of the other CPU,
45:41SPEAKERand then suddenly it was a faster computer.
45:43SPEAKER- So what you're saying is that he performed
45:45SPEAKERsome variety of dark magic?
45:46SPEAKER- Yeah, remember the brain slugs in "Futurama"?
45:49SPEAKERIt's like those before CPU.
45:50SPEAKER- All right.
45:52SPEAKER- I think you had real mixed results
45:54SPEAKERwith how well they worked, would be my guess.
45:56SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds about right.
45:57SPEAKER- But yeah, the socket seven stuff,
45:59SPEAKERthat was why Intel went to the slots.
46:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a rights issue, right?
46:05SPEAKERThere was not driven by technology, right?
46:06SPEAKER- So they were putting more cache on those packages
46:10SPEAKERthan they could fit on a CPU, and I think the cache ran,
46:14SPEAKERso normally the cache on the CPU runs at the CPU clock speed.
46:17SPEAKERI think that the Pentium II cache ran at half speed,
46:20SPEAKERI don't remember, but the point is they had huge cache chips
46:25SPEAKERinside that slot package because they could do that,
46:28SPEAKERand then they started releasing the Celerons,
46:30SPEAKERwhich didn't have any external cache,
46:32SPEAKER'cause it turns out the cache was expensive.
46:33SPEAKERIt didn't really do a whole lot.
46:35SPEAKERSo they didn't need the slot for the Celerons,
46:38SPEAKERand they started making sockets, again, almost immediate.
46:40SPEAKER- I just, I get warm fuzzies sitting here
46:43SPEAKERlistening to talk of Celeron 300A and the K6s and Durons,
46:48SPEAKERand so that was the-- - SL2W8.
46:50SPEAKER- That was the golden era of overclocking
46:54SPEAKERcheap processors to be very fast.
46:56SPEAKER- Yeah, you just moved a jumper,
46:58SPEAKERand all of a sudden your 300 megahertz processor
47:00SPEAKERwas running at 450 megahertz.
47:01SPEAKER- Yep. - It's good days.
47:03SPEAKER- And for ages. - And perfectly stable.
47:06SPEAKER- My all-time favorite terrible computer was the,
47:09SPEAKERwe talked about this on the throwback episode,
47:12SPEAKERbut the Abit BP6 powered, it was dual-socketed.
47:18SPEAKER- Oh, wow. - It was designed
47:19SPEAKERfor dual-socketed Celeron 300s, and you could put two in,
47:25SPEAKERand then-- - This was the slot design?
47:27SPEAKER- No, no, this was a motherboard
47:29SPEAKERby the time they'd moved to sockets.
47:30SPEAKER- Back to sockets. - Yeah, so you could put,
47:32SPEAKERyou could put two of these things in sockets
47:34SPEAKERon a giant-ass ATX board. - Man, that's cool.
47:37SPEAKER- Tyann, Abit made them, and Tyann made them.
47:39SPEAKER- Oh, Tyann, man. - Yeah, remember Tyann?
47:41SPEAKERRemember Abit? - Dude, yeah,
47:43SPEAKERI loved Abit stuff. - Yeah.
47:44SPEAKER- I had a BH6 for so long.
47:46SPEAKER- BH6 was a hell of a board. - Yeah.
47:49SPEAKER- Yeah, and then basically,
47:52SPEAKERnothing was designed to be multithreaded back then,
47:54SPEAKERso sound card drivers were terrible.
47:57SPEAKERYou couldn't get your Sound Blaster to work usually,
48:00SPEAKERexcept for Windows NT. - What was the use case
48:01SPEAKERfor even having more than one CPU back then?
48:03SPEAKER- It was really cool. - Sure.
48:05SPEAKER- You could encode MP3s a little bit faster, maybe.
48:08SPEAKERYou could run some processes on one processor
48:10SPEAKERand run some processes on the other processor.
48:13SPEAKERSo you could do two things at once.
48:15SPEAKERIt wasn't great, but it was really cool.
48:17SPEAKER- That was a fun time. - Yeah.
48:18SPEAKERAnything was possible. - Yes.
48:22SPEAKERLet's do a couple more here.
48:23SPEAKERWhat you got? - Here's a question
48:25SPEAKERfrom Bert. - Hey, Bert.
48:26SPEAKER- About DIY music streaming.
48:29SPEAKERI've been using Amazon Music for streaming my library,
48:31SPEAKERbut uploading your own songs
48:33SPEAKERis no longer a supported feature.
48:35SPEAKERDo you know of home server options
48:37SPEAKERto stream music remotely to Android?
48:39SPEAKER- Wow, I didn't know that they killed
48:40SPEAKERthe home streaming feature.
48:42SPEAKERThat's bogus.
48:45SPEAKERYeah, you can copy songs.
48:47SPEAKERI haven't done this in a long time.
48:48SPEAKERYou used to be able to copy songs
48:49SPEAKERinto Spotify directly on your phone.
48:51SPEAKERLike, you'd plug it into iTunes
48:52SPEAKERand drag them over. - Oh, you mean locally
48:53SPEAKERinto the Spotify client, like the app?
48:55SPEAKER- Yeah. - Not their cloud service?
48:58SPEAKER- Exactly. - Like they don't have
48:59SPEAKERlike some kind of iTunes match equivalent
49:01SPEAKERor something like that? - No, no, no.
49:02SPEAKERNot on the cloud service, but on the...
49:07SPEAKERYou could do it locally on the phone app,
49:09SPEAKERbut that's not what he's asking for.
49:10SPEAKERWhat he's asking for is self-hosted Spotify alternatives.
49:14SPEAKER- So basically, he wants to put his local music files
49:18SPEAKERinto some kind of cloud locker
49:19SPEAKERand be able to stream them anywhere?
49:20SPEAKER- Exactly. - Okay.
49:21SPEAKER- There are a bunch of those.
49:23SPEAKERThere's Funk Whale and Patchy,
49:26SPEAKERwhich is a terrible good name.
49:28SPEAKERSonar Z-E-Z-H.
49:30SPEAKER- You're just making this up now.
49:31SPEAKER- No, I'm not.
49:32SPEAKERThese are according to alternative2.net,
49:34SPEAKERwhich is one of my favorite sites
49:35SPEAKERfor finding out stuff like this.
49:37SPEAKERCole, Juke C, S2 Music, Music Folder Player,
49:42SPEAKERKuzik, Maloja, everybody who's like a CS major
49:46SPEAKERand wants to do an open source project
49:47SPEAKERseems to jam one of these out.
49:49SPEAKERThe one I've used that's been around
49:50SPEAKERfor a really long time is called SubSonic.
49:53SPEAKER- I've heard of that.
49:54SPEAKER- Yeah, there's plugins for Freeness, actually.
49:55SPEAKER- Okay, well, maybe to back up a little bit,
49:59SPEAKERare any of these turnkey solutions
50:00SPEAKERwith their own cloud storage,
50:01SPEAKERor are you responsible for providing your own storage
50:03SPEAKERfor all of these?
50:04SPEAKER- And that's a really good question.
50:06SPEAKER- 'Cause I feel like that's a crucial distinction here.
50:07SPEAKER- I think probably you're hosting these all yourself.
50:09SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause I don't know if it was a Google Music,
50:12SPEAKERor let's see, I'm trying to remember the litany
50:16SPEAKERof Google Music streaming services.
50:19SPEAKER- So there's Google Music, there's Google Play Music.
50:21SPEAKER- Now they're on YouTube Music.
50:22SPEAKER- And there's YouTube Red.
50:23SPEAKER- And it may have been Google Play Music,
50:26SPEAKERor was it Google Music?
50:27SPEAKERIt was one of those.
50:27SPEAKERI mean, I can't keep them straight, but.
50:28SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:29SPEAKER- Anyway, Google used to have a free tier option
50:31SPEAKERthat lets you upload.
50:33SPEAKER- Oh, really?
50:33SPEAKER- There was some huge--
50:34SPEAKER- Like your OneDrive?
50:35SPEAKEROr your Google Drive?
50:36SPEAKER- Your Google Storage.
50:37SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:38SPEAKER- I don't know that it even took a bite out of that space.
50:39SPEAKERIt might have been separate,
50:40SPEAKERbut I uploaded my entire local library.
50:44SPEAKER- So I did that with Amazon Music.
50:45SPEAKER- And was able to store it, but I think that went away, too.
50:48SPEAKERSo I guess everybody has just deprecated
50:50SPEAKERthat kind of service at this point.
50:52SPEAKER- Look, you can probably set up a line node
50:55SPEAKERor one of the free AWS instances
50:59SPEAKERand hook it up to an S3 bucket.
51:00SPEAKER- You can get a free AWS instance?
51:01SPEAKER- Yeah, there's the micros or whatever.
51:04SPEAKERThey're very small, and they're only four megs of memory
51:07SPEAKERor something like that.
51:08SPEAKER- Four megs?
51:09SPEAKER- It seems it's four gigs, maybe, I don't know.
51:12SPEAKERThey're very small, they're micro.
51:13SPEAKER- But they're free?
51:14SPEAKER- Mostly.
51:15SPEAKER- Wow.
51:16SPEAKER- So it's like a limited trial situation.
51:18SPEAKER- I see.
51:20SPEAKER- You can work the system a little bit if you're clever.
51:21SPEAKER- I see.
51:22SPEAKER- But you'll have to pay for storage.
51:23SPEAKERSo you'll have to pay for the S3 storage
51:24SPEAKERand the transfers in and out.
51:25SPEAKER- I see.
51:28SPEAKER- I mean, if you have a FreeNAS box
51:30SPEAKERor even like a Raspberry Pi
51:32SPEAKERwith a big USB hard drive hooked up to it,
51:35SPEAKERyou could easily run a subsonic instance.
51:38SPEAKER- Oh, and that's something you can stream remotely
51:39SPEAKERfrom outside the house?
51:40SPEAKER- So yeah, if you know how to do the ports
51:43SPEAKERand all that stuff.
51:44SPEAKER- That gets into not only opening ports
51:46SPEAKERand other networking stuff,
51:47SPEAKERbut also making sure you have a good upstream
51:49SPEAKERwith your ISP and stuff like that.
51:50SPEAKER- Yeah, and a way to get to the IP address at your home.
51:53SPEAKER- Right.
51:54SPEAKER- 'Cause there's no central server that points you to those.
51:57SPEAKERSo you'll have to either do a dynamic DNS
52:01SPEAKERor have a static IP address or whatever.
52:03SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:04SPEAKER- But subsonic works really well.
52:06SPEAKERAnd there's good tools for it.
52:07SPEAKERPlex has a music player now that's...
52:10SPEAKERIt's not as good as subsonic,
52:11SPEAKERbut if you're already running a Plex server,
52:12SPEAKERit's really good.
52:15SPEAKERI think the neat thing about subsonic
52:17SPEAKERis there's a pretty good ecosystem around it.
52:19SPEAKERSo there's...
52:20SPEAKERThe last time I looked,
52:21SPEAKERthere were five or six different iOS clients,
52:23SPEAKERand there's probably way more Android clients.
52:25SPEAKERSo you can hook up to your subsonic server.
52:28SPEAKERAnd if you want something that looks like iTunes,
52:30SPEAKERyou get something that looks like iTunes.
52:31SPEAKERIf you want something that looks like Spotify,
52:32SPEAKERyou get something that looks like Spotify.
52:34SPEAKERThe thing you lose versus say a Spotify
52:37SPEAKERis all of those dynamic playlists that they generate
52:40SPEAKERthat are actually pretty good.
52:42SPEAKERBut if you just want to upload your CD collection,
52:45SPEAKERI would look at alternative2.net
52:47SPEAKERand hit the Spotify button and there's 10 in there.
52:50SPEAKER- I've never heard of that site before,
52:52SPEAKERbut it sounds pretty useful.
52:53SPEAKER- Yeah, if you want to find...
52:55SPEAKERObviously, we know that if you want a Photoshop alternative,
52:58SPEAKERgo to GIMP or PaintShop Pro or whatever your 2019 version
53:05SPEAKERof that is.
53:06SPEAKER- It's been a blast from the past.
53:07SPEAKER- But it's really good for the services for Dropbox.
53:09SPEAKERIf you want to learn how to host your own Dropbox
53:11SPEAKERand stuff like that, you can do that or alternatives.
53:14SPEAKER- You have to check that out.
53:15SPEAKERThat sounds like a good resource.
53:16SPEAKER- It's a good site.
53:17SPEAKER- All right, I'm gonna say, is this our last email?
53:20SPEAKER- Ooh.
53:21SPEAKER- From Tyler in Janesville, Wisconsin.
53:25SPEAKERI don't know, this is a big claim.
53:26SPEAKER- I'm not saying hi to Tyler.
53:27SPEAKER- No?
53:29SPEAKER- It's okay.
53:30SPEAKER- The subject line is making a big claim here.
53:33SPEAKERDefinitively the last Rice email.
53:36SPEAKER- You heard that, no more emails about Rice.
53:38SPEAKERThis is also our definitively the first Rice email, I think.
53:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess first and last.
53:42SPEAKERThat's even.
53:43SPEAKER- It's nice that we're putting a bow on this topic.
53:45SPEAKER- That's even more ambitious.
53:47SPEAKERI hope that this can be the last email you receive
53:49SPEAKERabout cooking Rice in a pressure cooker
53:51SPEAKERbecause I have the foolproof method, I promise.
53:54SPEAKERThere are a couple of extremely important steps
53:56SPEAKERthat are often missed or overlooked
53:57SPEAKERthat can make or break the outcome.
54:00SPEAKERLet's assume we want to make two cups of Jasmine Rice.
54:03SPEAKERThe following is what I do.
54:05SPEAKERNumber one, measure two cups of Rice
54:06SPEAKERand pour into a strainer.
54:08SPEAKERRinse until water is clear.
54:10SPEAKERThis is possibly the most important part.
54:12SPEAKERThis keeps the Rice from becoming gummy or too sticky
54:15SPEAKERas is often the complaint with pressure cooked Rice.
54:18SPEAKERWe do that around here too,
54:19SPEAKEReven though we don't pressure cook our Rice.
54:21SPEAKERThat's just to remove excess starch.
54:24SPEAKER- So it's essentially like sticky sushi Rice.
54:27SPEAKER- Yeah.
54:28SPEAKER- I mean, there's different kinds of Rice first, right?
54:29SPEAKER- Yeah.
54:30SPEAKER- Jasmine is like that longer,
54:32SPEAKERthe sushi Rice is usually kind of more nodularly.
54:34SPEAKER- I think you're right, yeah.
54:35SPEAKERSo I know there's some other stuff
54:37SPEAKERthat happens with sushi Rice after the fact.
54:38SPEAKERThere's vinegar and stuff involved.
54:41SPEAKERSo that may have something to do with the stickiness there.
54:43SPEAKER- So I usually, if I'm eating with chopsticks,
54:46SPEAKERif I'm making a Curry or something,
54:47SPEAKERI'm gonna eat with chopsticks.
54:48SPEAKERI never rinse 'cause I want it to be sticky.
54:50SPEAKER- You want it to be a little bit gummier.
54:51SPEAKER- But if I'm making like fried Rice or something,
54:53SPEAKERthen I always rinse.
54:54SPEAKER- You want a loose Rice there, for sure.
54:55SPEAKERYeah, we need it, not just rinse.
54:57SPEAKERWe also get in there with fingertips
54:58SPEAKERand really kind of need out the...
55:01SPEAKER- I just put it in the Rice cooker and swirl it around
55:03SPEAKERand then I dump the water out.
55:05SPEAKERAnd then when the water's clear, then I think we're good.
55:08SPEAKERThat's probably fine.
55:09SPEAKERSo that's step one, rinse.
55:10SPEAKER- I need my kale though.
55:12SPEAKER- Kale?
55:13SPEAKER- Yeah, when you make kale,
55:14SPEAKERif you put it in a bag with ice water and knead it,
55:16SPEAKERthen it breaks up the cuticle
55:17SPEAKERand all the stuff comes out.
55:19SPEAKERAnd then you rinse all that stuff away.
55:21SPEAKER- That sounds good.
55:23SPEAKERStep two, this is the part that got me.
55:26SPEAKERUse a small amount of any oil or butter.
55:28SPEAKER- What?
55:29SPEAKER- Coat the bottom of the pressure cooker container.
55:31SPEAKER- I feel like this is, I don't know about this.
55:33SPEAKER- As soon as you start talking about butter,
55:34SPEAKERI feel like my interest is piqued.
55:37SPEAKER- I like butter, I like rice.
55:39SPEAKER- Add the two cups of rice and two cups of water,
55:41SPEAKERas opposed to the stove top rice.
55:43SPEAKERThis method requires one-to-one water to rice.
55:45SPEAKER- Okay.
55:46SPEAKER- Set to cook on low pressure for 12 minutes.
55:50SPEAKER- Hmm.
55:51SPEAKER- After the pressurization and 12 minutes has completed,
55:55SPEAKERdeactivate the keep warm setting.
55:57SPEAKERThat's in all caps.
55:58SPEAKER- Oh.
55:59SPEAKER- This is what often causes the rice to become stuck
56:02SPEAKERand burnt to the bottom of the container.
56:04SPEAKERLet the pressure manually release for eight to 10 minutes.
56:07SPEAKERThen quick release, open and enjoy.
56:09SPEAKER- I do like a quick release.
56:11SPEAKER- So I didn't, I mean, I guess it,
56:12SPEAKERI'm sure it depends on the model,
56:14SPEAKERbut I didn't realize that the sort of keep warm
56:16SPEAKERand the depressurization were separate functions.
56:19SPEAKERLike I didn't realize you'd necessarily
56:21SPEAKERwould have manual control over kind of turning the heat off
56:25SPEAKERbefore the pressure was all out.
56:26SPEAKER- Well, so, okay.
56:27SPEAKERSo there's two things.
56:28SPEAKERThe keep warm makes it work like a crock pot, right?
56:30SPEAKERSo you've just got a big stone.
56:31SPEAKER- Heating element underneath.
56:32SPEAKER- Well, there's a heating element.
56:33SPEAKERThere's a stone between the heating element and the stone.
56:35SPEAKERAnd the stone is theoretically supposed to kind of
56:38SPEAKERdissipate the heat a little bit
56:39SPEAKERso you don't burn your shit on the bottom of the pan.
56:42SPEAKERDoesn't work.
56:44SPEAKERThe pressure comes down
56:46SPEAKERas the temperature decreases in the pot.
56:48SPEAKERSo once the water starts to condense back into steam,
56:51SPEAKERit's like, basically you do the quick release
56:53SPEAKERif you want to get rid of the water, the excess water.
56:56SPEAKERIf you want the water to go back in,
56:57SPEAKERlike if you're making soup or something,
56:59SPEAKERyou do the gentle, the slow release.
57:01SPEAKERAnd when--
57:02SPEAKER- A lot of it will condense back in.
57:04SPEAKER- When the temperature gets low enough
57:06SPEAKERthat the pressure goes down,
57:07SPEAKERit'll condense back into water.
57:10SPEAKERThat's interesting.
57:11SPEAKERI'll have to try it.
57:12SPEAKERI'll try it and report back.
57:13SPEAKER- Yeah, need a field report on this.
57:14SPEAKER- If it craps up the bottom of my pan,
57:16SPEAKERI'm sending it to Tyler in Wisconsin
57:20SPEAKERto just scrape the crud off the bottom.
57:23SPEAKER- Maybe just use extra butter.
57:25SPEAKER- The butter, I don't know about this.
57:26SPEAKER- I like the butter.
57:27SPEAKER- What can it hurt?
57:28SPEAKER- I'm pro butter, but I feel like
57:28SPEAKERthat's gonna change the rice.
57:29SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe so.
57:30SPEAKER- I'll let you know how it goes.
57:31SPEAKER- For the better.
57:32SPEAKER- Yeah, of course. - For the more buttery.
57:34SPEAKER- This has been a wide ranging series of questions.
57:35SPEAKER- Yeah.
57:38SPEAKER- What happens on a grab bag tech podcast.
57:40SPEAKER- This is, I like--
57:41SPEAKER- Any and all topics.
57:42SPEAKER- That's true.
57:43SPEAKERIt's like the, my favorite Futurama episodes
57:45SPEAKERare their "Treehouse of Horror" knockoff.
57:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
57:48SPEAKER- Where they do the "What If" machine.
57:49SPEAKER- They did a "Treehouse of Horror" knockoff?
57:51SPEAKER- Well, their "Treehouse of Horror" knockoff
57:53SPEAKERis the "What If" machine where like,
57:55SPEAKERit's what if Farnsworth invented a machine that, you know,
57:58SPEAKERyeah.
57:59SPEAKER- Is it explicitly Halloween themed
58:00SPEAKERor is it more just kind of whenever?
58:01SPEAKER- I think it's whenever.
58:02SPEAKER- Okay.
58:03SPEAKER- To replicate the magic of "Treehouse of Horror."
58:05SPEAKER- They just do it the once?
58:07SPEAKER- Well, they did it two or three times.
58:08SPEAKER- Okay.
58:09SPEAKER- I don't know if they did in that second weird run.
58:12SPEAKERI feel like maybe.
58:13SPEAKER- "Treehouse of Horror" is the best thing
58:15SPEAKERthat Simpsons has done to me.
58:16SPEAKER- Pretty consistently.
58:17SPEAKER- Probably.
58:18SPEAKERI haven't watched it in a very long time.
58:20SPEAKER- I usually make a point to watch "Treehouse of Horror" episodes.
58:22SPEAKER- I mean, there's so many of them now.
58:24SPEAKER- There's 25.
58:25SPEAKER- Oh no, it's like more than 30 now, right?
58:27SPEAKER- Are they at 30 seasons?
58:28SPEAKER- Oh yeah, they're past 30.
58:29SPEAKER- Oh man.
58:31SPEAKERI'm old.
58:31SPEAKER- Yeah.
58:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
58:34SPEAKER- Wow.
58:34SPEAKER- Sorry.
58:35SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.
58:36SPEAKER- I feel like I think I've broken your brain.
58:37SPEAKER- Well, that's fine.
58:38SPEAKER- For the day.
58:39SPEAKER- Hey, I'm gonna go get a fried chicken sandwich
58:39SPEAKERor something.
58:40SPEAKER- Okay.
58:41SPEAKER- Oh wait, maybe not.
58:42SPEAKERI don't know.
58:43SPEAKERI'll have some kale.
58:44SPEAKER- They didn't say anything about unethical chicken raising.
58:46SPEAKER- Look, one of the things where I was looking up
58:47SPEAKERhow many chickens you can pack into a truck
58:49SPEAKERwas sight after sight after sight
58:53SPEAKERexplaining the ethical treatment of chickens.
58:55SPEAKER- Oh man.
58:56SPEAKER- In industrialized farming.
58:57SPEAKER- Oh boy.
58:58SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's.
58:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
59:00SPEAKERThis has been a real uplifting episode, Brad.
59:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.
59:03SPEAKER- Thanks, man.
59:04SPEAKER- There are no sacred cows or chickens anymore, apparently.
59:07SPEAKERSo, yeah, thanks to everybody who wrote in.
59:10SPEAKER- Yeah, email address is techpod@content.town.
59:14SPEAKER- Yes.
59:15SPEAKER- And we would love more emails.
59:16SPEAKERWe'll do another episode of emails in, let's say, four weeks.
59:20SPEAKER- That sounds like a good number to me.
59:22SPEAKER- Yeah, and if you don't like this new regime,
59:25SPEAKERsend us a note about that too,
59:26SPEAKER'cause we would love to hear your feedback.
59:27SPEAKER- Happily take any and all feedback.
59:28SPEAKER- Yeah, if you think this is a great idea,
59:30SPEAKERthat's good feedback too,
59:31SPEAKER'cause otherwise the people who complain
59:33SPEAKERwill totally drown you out.
59:34SPEAKER- That's right.
59:35SPEAKERAlso, episode ideas, like not necessarily questions
59:38SPEAKERfor this format, but like topics.
59:40SPEAKERWe've gotten a handful of pretty interesting topics
59:42SPEAKERthat I never would have thought of.
59:43SPEAKER- Yeah, there were a couple of really good ones in there.
59:46SPEAKER- That I want to look into a little more.
59:47SPEAKER- Things you're curious about.
59:48SPEAKERAnd it doesn't have to be in the computer realm.
59:50SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:50SPEAKER- It can be in, you know, whatever you want.
59:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that, you know,
59:53SPEAKERthat's the thing we probably just have
59:54SPEAKERthe most hands-on experience with.
59:56SPEAKER- Yeah.
59:57SPEAKER- But interested in all kinds of stuff around here.
59:58SPEAKER- Technology of chicken farming, we're there.
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1:00:32SPEAKERAs always, I'm Will Smith.
1:00:33SPEAKER- I'm Brad Schumacher.
1:00:34SPEAKER- We'll see you guys next week.
1:00:35SPEAKERBye everybody.
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