00:00SPEAKERYou're pro-spatchcock.
00:01SPEAKERAm I?
00:02SPEAKERHow do you feel about the turkeys I've made the last two or three years?
00:05SPEAKERI mean, if that's what spatchcocking is, then I guess it's put me in.
00:08SPEAKERYeah.
00:09SPEAKERSpatchcocking is the simple process of cutting out the backbone of the turkey, removing the
00:14SPEAKERthighs and then flatten it a little bit.
00:17SPEAKERKind of performing surgery.
00:19SPEAKERYeah.
00:20SPEAKERIt's more of a necropsy or whatever, but the idea is the breast, the white meat and the
00:27SPEAKERdark meat cook at different rates and temperatures and you need them done to different amounts.
00:30SPEAKERSo a lot of the shenanigans when you're making a turkey are to, you know, don't overcook
00:35SPEAKERthe breast because you need it to like 160 or 165.
00:38SPEAKERYou want succulents.
00:39SPEAKERYeah.
00:40SPEAKERAnd you want the thighs to be up to like 170.
00:42SPEAKERYou want them a little bit more cooked.
00:44SPEAKERSo you do a lot of stuff like flip the turkey and a bunch of nonsense, but if you just chop
00:48SPEAKERthe backbone out and then lay it flat, then you just do the whole thing at one time.
00:51SPEAKERIt works much better.
00:52SPEAKERSet it and forget it.
00:53SPEAKERWell, you can start-
00:54SPEAKERAs a wise man once said.
00:55SPEAKERYou can start the thighs and then put the breast in once the thighs are already going.
00:59SPEAKERAnd then you can stuff that wonderful stuffing in there.
01:01SPEAKEROh no.
01:02SPEAKERThen you just put a whole giant pile of stuffing and then you rest the turkey on top of it.
01:06SPEAKEROh, you put it under?
01:07SPEAKERLike a roof.
01:08SPEAKERWait a minute.
01:09SPEAKERLet me tell you what happens.
01:10SPEAKERIt's not really stuffing when you don't stuff it in the carcass, right?
01:11SPEAKERLook, when you cut the backbone out, there's nothing to stuff inside.
01:13SPEAKERI guess.
01:14SPEAKERBut then what do you call the stuffing?
01:15SPEAKERIt's stuffing.
01:16SPEAKERIt's the under.
01:17SPEAKERIt's dressing then I guess.
01:18SPEAKERLet me tell you what happens when you put the dressing, when you put the stuffing underneath
01:21SPEAKERthe bird, all the delicious fat that renders when the bird gets hot, goes down through
01:26SPEAKERthe meat, makes the meat nice and juicy and moist and delicious.
01:29SPEAKERAnd then where does it go from there?
01:31SPEAKERStraight to the stuffing.
01:32SPEAKERSo instead of having a little tiny cavity sized amount of turkey butt stuffing, it's
01:38SPEAKERall butt stuffing.
01:40SPEAKERAnd you know what the best stuffing is?
01:41SPEAKERWhat's that?
01:42SPEAKERThe butt stuffing.
01:43SPEAKERI think it's time for Brad and Will to make a tech pod.
02:07SPEAKERYou know what I'm thankful for?
02:09SPEAKERWhat are you thankful for?
02:10SPEAKERAn opportunity to get together and sit down and talk about a wide range of tech topics.
02:14SPEAKERIt is a delight.
02:15SPEAKEROn a one topic per week basis.
02:17SPEAKERWell this week, our topic is something a little different than we've done in the past.
02:22SPEAKERThis week we're going to talk about technologies that we are thankful for.
02:24SPEAKERYeah, because it's Thanksgiving.
02:25SPEAKERIt's the season.
02:26SPEAKERIt's the time of year.
02:27SPEAKERYeah.
02:28SPEAKERIt is the season.
02:29SPEAKERThe Easter Bunny's coming.
02:30SPEAKERWe got to think about...
02:31SPEAKERWait, no, that's...
02:32SPEAKERNope.
02:33SPEAKERNope.
02:34SPEAKERNext year.
02:35SPEAKERIt's bunk that there's no animal mascot for Thanksgiving.
02:37SPEAKERIs it not the turkey?
02:38SPEAKERI mean, the turkey's getting devoured.
02:40SPEAKERI guess that's kind of...
02:41SPEAKERThe turkey's more of the sacrifice.
02:42SPEAKERI guess that's fair.
02:43SPEAKERYeah.
02:44SPEAKEROh, there should be like a cheerful, yet sometimes a little bit sinister animal mascot for Thanksgiving.
02:52SPEAKERYes.
02:53SPEAKERI kind of, I just want to point out, I think the, just given the nature of this podcast,
02:58SPEAKERI think we've constrained these topics to pretty like, you know, everyday geeky around
03:03SPEAKERthe house sort of consumer tech stuff.
03:05SPEAKERYeah.
03:06SPEAKERConsumer electronics.
03:07SPEAKERAnd I just want to make the point, there's a lot of more meaningful stuff to be thankful
03:11SPEAKERfor out there.
03:12SPEAKERI'm really thankful for running water and electricity, having not had them multiple
03:15SPEAKERtimes this year.
03:16SPEAKERYeah, totally.
03:17SPEAKERStuff like that.
03:18SPEAKERAnd, you know, there's lots of charities and activist groups and-
03:22SPEAKERMedical and medical technologies.
03:24SPEAKERYes.
03:25SPEAKERA lot of groups out there to be thankful for doing a lot of important work these days.
03:28SPEAKERBut yeah.
03:29SPEAKERI just wanted to throw that out there because the list of things we're thankful for that
03:33SPEAKERwe've assembled here are from a fairly narrow category, let's say.
03:38SPEAKERNow that you put it that way, I feel-
03:40SPEAKERThings that you might encounter around our houses.
03:42SPEAKERYeah.
03:43SPEAKERThings that I could sit at my desk and turn the chair and look at and see maybe.
03:47SPEAKERYou know what I'm thankful for, Brad?
03:48SPEAKERWhat's that?
03:49SPEAKERI'm thankful that, well, you know what?
03:52SPEAKERThe tools used to produce podcasts and video have gotten really easy and inexpensive.
03:59SPEAKERDemocratized, you might say.
04:01SPEAKERI was trying not to say that, but yes.
04:03SPEAKERThey've been demon-
04:04SPEAKERSo-
04:05SPEAKERThey're available to everyone.
04:06SPEAKERYeah.
04:07SPEAKERWhen I started working, when I started at Whiskey Media in the start of 2010, we didn't
04:12SPEAKERhave a dedicated studio.
04:13SPEAKERI think you guys were producing video with just one capture box and-
04:17SPEAKERI think that's right.
04:18SPEAKERMaybe unplugging and plugging HDMI cables to change shots and stuff like that.
04:22SPEAKERYeah.
04:23SPEAKERI think that's right.
04:24SPEAKERSo we didn't have a video switcher.
04:25SPEAKERThe thing that we used to record podcasts was this huge mixer that you had to plug into
04:29SPEAKERa laptop and you basically had to have a dedicated space for it.
04:35SPEAKERYeah.
04:36SPEAKERWas that the one that was the size of a console?
04:37SPEAKERIt was the M-Audio one.
04:38SPEAKERI don't mean a video game console, but I mean-
04:39SPEAKERIt wasn't the Yamaha one.
04:41SPEAKERThat was later.
04:42SPEAKEROkay.
04:43SPEAKERIt was that long, skinny one with no knobs.
04:44SPEAKEROkay.
04:45SPEAKERThat was a little smaller, but still has an industrial look to it.
04:48SPEAKERWell, it was still like 300 bucks.
04:49SPEAKERNot consumer technology.
04:50SPEAKERExactly.
04:51SPEAKERYeah.
04:52SPEAKERIt was expensive.
04:53SPEAKERYeah.
04:54SPEAKERSome of the video stuff back then, a lot of the video capture and switching solutions
04:55SPEAKERwere tens of thousands of dollars.
04:58SPEAKERWhen we set up the basement on the front street office, the second office that I was in, not
05:03SPEAKERthe Sausalito one, but the one in San Francisco, I feel like we spent all in over the time
05:08SPEAKERwe were there, like a quarter of a million dollars on hardware.
05:10SPEAKERHoly cow.
05:11SPEAKERWow.
05:12SPEAKERI guess I would-
05:13SPEAKERProbably counting cameras and stuff too.
05:14SPEAKERYeah.
05:15SPEAKERI wasn't involved in those purchases, but I guess I would believe that that sounds astronomical
05:18SPEAKERto me.
05:19SPEAKERIt was.
05:20SPEAKERI mean, if we didn't, it's because Vinny was really good about figuring out the least expensive.
05:27SPEAKERHe's the kind of person I love to talk to about this stuff because he's like, "Well,
05:32SPEAKERhere's the way that NBC would do it.
05:34SPEAKERBut if you want to do it for five grand instead of a half a million dollars, here's what you
05:37SPEAKERdo."
05:38SPEAKERHe is very good at that stuff.
05:39SPEAKERWell, and the thing that's happened is, I'm looking at our podcast kit, which is two boxes,
05:46SPEAKERa power strip, and two headsets.
05:48SPEAKEREach of which, each box would fit in a pocket.
05:50SPEAKERI carry it in a tiny little duffel bag, a baby duffel bag.
05:54SPEAKERWe record with a Zoom H6, which for podcasters has revolutionized portable podcasting.
06:00SPEAKERIt's basically a four to six XLR recording device that records multiple independent audio
06:07SPEAKERtracks.
06:08SPEAKERI never heard of this thing before we started doing this and you showed up with it.
06:10SPEAKERI was like, "Wow, things got easier."
06:13SPEAKERIt's not perfect.
06:14SPEAKERThere's definitely issues with it because it's real fiddly depending on the type of
06:18SPEAKERmic you use and stuff like that, but it's eminently workable and it sounds as good as
06:25SPEAKERlike the big giant board once you work out the kinks.
06:28SPEAKERWhat do you think is in that thing, in terms of horsepower or compute?
06:32SPEAKERProbably a little ARM processor, I have to guess.
06:34SPEAKERI don't know.
06:35SPEAKERIs this just another one of the infinite examples of fast, cheap, low power processors making
06:40SPEAKEReverything better?
06:41SPEAKERYeah.
06:42SPEAKERWell, and also the dedicated audio, like the DACs and stuff like that have gotten inexpensive
06:47SPEAKERtoo.
06:48SPEAKERThey've trickled down from phones and so forth.
06:50SPEAKERYeah, probably.
06:52SPEAKERThat stuff was working its way with stereo's and iPods and stuff like that, it's been working
06:56SPEAKERthat direction for a long time.
06:57SPEAKERI feel like we should probably mention there's no product placement going on here or anything.
07:00SPEAKERThis is just a thing you bought and that we use.
07:02SPEAKERYeah.
07:03SPEAKERNo, that's exactly right.
07:04SPEAKERThey have not gotten in touch with us to talk about this thing or anything.
07:07SPEAKERI'm probably going to put links that include affiliate links in the show notes for this
07:10SPEAKERif you want to find out.
07:12SPEAKERFull disclosure, FTC, you're welcome.
07:14SPEAKERFair enough.
07:15SPEAKERYeah, so I don't think Zoom even says what the CPU is in that thing.
07:19SPEAKERAnd then the other box is just a headphone amplifier.
07:21SPEAKERSo the Zoom only has one headphone out.
07:24SPEAKERThe headphone amp splits that into four individual ones and the one we use is a Behringer HA400,
07:30SPEAKERwhich is literally a $20 12 volt headphone amp and it's quarter inch inputs and outputs.
07:38SPEAKERAnd it means we don't have to fool with adapters, which is what adds all the crackle to all
07:44SPEAKERof your recordings in my experience.
07:46SPEAKERAlso this whole setup we've got going here is what allowed me to be introduced to the
07:52SPEAKERconcept of having all the wires at like right angles to each other and stuff.
07:56SPEAKEROh yeah, it was just a whole weird world of best practices I was not aware of.
08:00SPEAKERYeah, this is asking me how we learned all this the hard way, because this is more or
08:04SPEAKERless the same setup we used for Still Entitled for a long time.
08:08SPEAKERAnd the thing that you learn is that the microphone cables have to cross power cables at right
08:15SPEAKERangles.
08:16SPEAKERBecause even though XLRs are pretty well shielded, you can get into situations - like you have
08:21SPEAKERa curly Q XLR on your - a cable on your headphones and that one, if it goes across a power, will
08:28SPEAKERpick up the little bit of hum, which we want to avoid.
08:31SPEAKERSo yeah, for like - this whole thing - the headsets - oh, the headsets are - let's see...
08:36SPEAKERHe's taking off his headset.
08:39SPEAKERSennheiser HMD 280s.
08:41SPEAKERSo H - Sennheiser's naming scheme, I think one of those letters HMD, I think it's H - the
08:48SPEAKERM means it has a microphone.
08:51SPEAKERAnd 280 is their like mid-range studio headphones, over-ear closed headphones.
08:57SPEAKERAnd then the microphone is just a decent super cardioid boom mic that sits right in front
09:01SPEAKERof you.
09:02SPEAKERThe stuff all seems quite good, you know?
09:03SPEAKERYeah.
09:04SPEAKERFor the money.
09:05SPEAKERAnd it fits - like I said, you can put it in a carry - it's like way small - it'll fit
09:09SPEAKERin the under seat.
09:10SPEAKERThe bag it goes in will fit under the seat on the airplane.
09:13SPEAKERThis kind of thing is probably - helps explain why everyone and their brother seems to have
09:17SPEAKERa podcast these days.
09:18SPEAKERYou don't even need - you just need a gaming headset for that, man.
09:21SPEAKERVery much, yeah.
09:22SPEAKERYeah.
09:23SPEAKERYeah, it's wild.
09:24SPEAKERRecording stuff, video capture stuff, I mean, I don't even know where it's at these days,
09:30SPEAKERbut I've got a - I've got a little Magewell doohickey that's just USB 3.
09:33SPEAKEROh, what does that do?
09:35SPEAKERIt's just HDMI in.
09:36SPEAKEROh, for your computer?
09:37SPEAKERYeah.
09:38SPEAKERCaptures uncompressed 1080p, 60 through HDMI, that's just a USB 3 dongle, but that stuff
09:43SPEAKERis just getting cheaper and smaller and easier to use all the time.
09:46SPEAKERSo since I delved into the game streaming a couple years ago because I wanted to not
09:52SPEAKERsave PUBG clips on my hard drive anymore because they were taking up too much space - it's
09:56SPEAKERbad reason to do this - yeah, I was amazed because, like I said, on the video side, with
10:04SPEAKERthe rise of open source software OBS and the offshoots like Slobs and Streamlabs OBS and
10:10SPEAKERall the other stuff, it's amazing.
10:12SPEAKERI have a reasonably - I have basically the same hardware you guys use to shoot quick
10:17SPEAKERlooks plus a camera because I don't think you did cameras, so yeah, you don't do faces.
10:24SPEAKERFor - I don't know, the capture card was like $200 and I got a camera instead of a webcam
10:29SPEAKERwhich was another 150, 200 bucks and it's all just there, it just works and then like
10:34SPEAKERlittle things like the stream deck - do you know what that is?
10:36SPEAKERYeah, the little keypad fiddly fingerboard thing.
10:40SPEAKERSo do you know what that is actually?
10:41SPEAKERI mean, it's programmable, right?
10:42SPEAKERWell yeah, so you can program it, you can put whatever pictures you want on the button.
10:47SPEAKERIt's all it is, is a little screen, an LCD touchscreen or an OLED touchscreen, I can't
10:51SPEAKERremember which, with clear keys on top and they partition it out where the keys are but
10:57SPEAKERyou can like, you can program really complicated macros and stuff on that now and even control
11:02SPEAKER- I think you can even control other computers, you might only be able to do that with an
11:05SPEAKERiPhone or iPad app, but like stuff like that gives you a lot of the flexibility you have
11:09SPEAKERwith like the big giant control board that you guys have a giant bomb but you know, a
11:14SPEAKERthing that sits on a normal human being's desk, so.
11:17SPEAKERCapture for the people.
11:18SPEAKERYeah, anybody can be a Twitch streamer, anybody can play video games on there, anybody can
11:21SPEAKERmake a podcast.
11:22SPEAKERJust expose everything about your entire life to -
11:25SPEAKERYeah, it's great.
11:26SPEAKERIt's the incredibly friendly environment on the internet.
11:27SPEAKERThe internet's terrific.
11:28SPEAKERNothing could go wrong.
11:29SPEAKERYeah, if you want to pitch your podcast to us, just please don't actually, but there's
11:35SPEAKERa lot of good resources for that.
11:37SPEAKERTotally.
11:38SPEAKERSo I'm thankful for the democratization of broadcasting technology, Brad.
11:42SPEAKERThat is one of the things I am thankful for.
11:43SPEAKERYou used the word.
11:44SPEAKERThis year.
11:45SPEAKERThat's a good one.
11:47SPEAKERWhat are you thankful for, Mr. Shoemaker?
11:50SPEAKERLet's say, how about on my list here, I've wrote down home automation.
11:55SPEAKEROh.
11:56SPEAKERAnd it's not perfect.
11:59SPEAKEROr even close to perfect.
12:00SPEAKERI have a lot of problems with it, actually.
12:03SPEAKERBut I feel like it's getting there to the point that I'm actually genuinely enjoying
12:06SPEAKERsome of the things it's enabling around the house now.
12:09SPEAKERWhat do you use home automation for in your house?
12:11SPEAKERNot a lot.
12:12SPEAKERI mean, it's like some lights for the most part.
12:15SPEAKERI bought like something else that could be incorporated into this topic is sort of cheaper
12:20SPEAKERknockoff versions of the really pricey home automation stuff that's out there.
12:25SPEAKERLike really what I'm actually saying is I'm just glad there are other companies trying
12:29SPEAKERto eat the Phillips Hughes lunch now.
12:32SPEAKEROh, well look.
12:33SPEAKERBecause that stuff is just astronomically priced.
12:35SPEAKERIt is incredibly over, like aggressively, offensively overpriced.
12:39SPEAKEROh my god.
12:40SPEAKERI've never bought a single, like I've eyeballed the Hughes stuff for years and I just can't.
12:44SPEAKERThey haven't reduced prices.
12:46SPEAKERLike LED light bulbs have gotten an order of magnitude or maybe two orders of magnitude
12:52SPEAKERless expensive in the time since they've been out.
12:54SPEAKERThree bucks?
12:55SPEAKERA couple weeks ago.
12:56SPEAKERYeah.
12:57SPEAKERLike you can get a connected bulb for $9 now.
12:58SPEAKEROh, like a Wi-Fi?
12:59SPEAKERLike a Cre-Connected.
13:00SPEAKERNo kidding.
13:01SPEAKERThose are Zigbee or Z-Wave.
13:02SPEAKERI can't remember which one, but usually you need a hub with those.
13:05SPEAKERBut yeah.
13:06SPEAKEROkay.
13:07SPEAKERBut they're unbelievably cheap.
13:09SPEAKERAnd then here's the Hue, $75 for two bulbs.
13:13SPEAKEREverything I've heard about the Hue makes it sound like it is probably the best item
13:17SPEAKERof that type on the market.
13:18SPEAKERI don't think so anymore.
13:19SPEAKEROr maybe not anymore.
13:20SPEAKERI think they were for a long time.
13:21SPEAKERSeems like for a long time that was the case.
13:22SPEAKERBut still not.
13:23SPEAKERMaybe not worth that kind of premium.
13:24SPEAKERYeah.
13:25SPEAKERLook, the colored lights that they do are really neat and kind of novel.
13:28SPEAKERI don't think they're necessary in any way at all.
13:32SPEAKERSo I have, let's see, I have three colored Hue bulbs, the Hue light strip, and a couple
13:38SPEAKERof the Hue Lux bulbs, the color temperature white ones.
13:43SPEAKERAnd they're really good, but they're not at all worth the price premium.
13:46SPEAKERYeah.
13:47SPEAKERNone of that is.
13:48SPEAKERSo part of what I'm thankful for is just that there are a bunch of no name versions of that
13:51SPEAKERstuff getting out there now for like a 10th of the price.
13:54SPEAKERLike I bought a pretty nice little USB, like it's a six foot LED light strip, kind of stuck
13:59SPEAKERit on the back of my desk.
14:00SPEAKERIt can be changed to any color with the Apple home app.
14:03SPEAKEROh, that's awesome.
14:04SPEAKERWow.
14:05SPEAKERIt works with Apple home?
14:06SPEAKERYeah.
14:07SPEAKERSurprisingly the brand, the brand on it is, I guess you say it, iHaper.
14:11SPEAKEROh yeah.
14:12SPEAKERIt's little.
14:13SPEAKEROh, have you seen that?
14:14SPEAKERYeah.
14:15SPEAKERLittle i, capital H, A-P-E-R.
14:16SPEAKERYeah.
14:17SPEAKERI assume it's out of Shenzhen or.
14:18SPEAKERIt's almost certainly.
14:19SPEAKERIt has to be.
14:20SPEAKERIt has to be powered, like does pretty much what I would have wanted out of the two stuff
14:24SPEAKERfor 25 bucks.
14:26SPEAKERThat's amazing.
14:27SPEAKEROf course you pointed out to me at one point that it was probably not like UL approved.
14:31SPEAKERI mean.
14:32SPEAKERI didn't look at the packaging, but I assume it doesn't burn my house down.
14:34SPEAKERSo here's the thing.
14:35SPEAKERIt's hard to burn a house down with a USB five volt, 500 milliamps.
14:40SPEAKERI did plug it into a decent, you know, accredited USB power brick.
14:45SPEAKERSo the place that the danger is, is in the, is in the AC to DC conversion.
14:50SPEAKERElectrical transformer type stuff.
14:52SPEAKERYeah.
14:53SPEAKEROkay.
14:54SPEAKERThat's my, I'm not an electrical engineer.
14:55SPEAKERThis is my understanding of this.
14:56SPEAKERI have this, had this explained to me that it's really hard to burn your house down with
14:59SPEAKERUSB.
15:00SPEAKERDon't trust anything here on this podcast, but we're pretty sure.
15:02SPEAKERI have killed a laptop with USB.
15:04SPEAKERWow.
15:05SPEAKERYeah.
15:06SPEAKERI blew up a laptop with a laptop motherboard with an Arduino breadboard one time.
15:09SPEAKERYikes.
15:10SPEAKERThat was expensive.
15:11SPEAKEROkay.
15:12SPEAKERI don't think there's anything that bespoke around here, but you know, we've got lights
15:16SPEAKERon timers around here, which is nice, especially with like daylight savings.
15:19SPEAKERYeah.
15:20SPEAKERJust kind of have a light come on.
15:21SPEAKERLike a dark house is not fun, right?
15:23SPEAKERIt sucks.
15:24SPEAKEREspecially like right at this moment when the time has just changed and like you're
15:27SPEAKERcoming home to just a, it's, it's got full dark.
15:31SPEAKERSo like coming home and having the lights all on when you get there is kind of a nice
15:34SPEAKERthing.
15:35SPEAKERWell, and for me, so we did, we did motion, I have motion sensors in the rooms that have
15:38SPEAKERlike foot traffic and put them in the bedrooms.
15:42SPEAKERBut yeah, like once I figured out, like the process of getting the home automation stuff
15:46SPEAKERin our house to work right was really interesting because it was, it was as much about me understanding
15:51SPEAKERhow we use our house as about figuring out the technology.
15:55SPEAKERLike I know that we have a bedtime routine for our daughter and once that happens, then
16:00SPEAKERher lights go off and we play music in her room and also we can turn off the lights in
16:05SPEAKERthe rooms that won't be used again until bedtime, like my bedroom.
16:10SPEAKERAnd like all that stuff happens automatically because I just say, Alexa, you know, it's
16:13SPEAKERbedtime for the kiddo and it runs a routine that does like 10 things, which is super awesome.
16:20SPEAKERI love that I leave the house and I know that I like, if I forgot to turn the light off,
16:24SPEAKERit's going to turn off as soon as I get 300 yards from the house, stuff like that.
16:29SPEAKERI'm into it.
16:30SPEAKERYeah, totally.
16:31SPEAKERIt's like, it's still like another, what, three, five years away from fully settling
16:35SPEAKERdown because there's still so many competing standards and like different power bricks
16:38SPEAKERsupport different ones.
16:40SPEAKERAnd I don't think it's ever going to, some of them are very unreliable.
16:44SPEAKERSo I've got a couple that are just chronically kind of disconnecting and reconnecting from
16:49SPEAKERthe wifi.
16:50SPEAKERLike they become unresponsive.
16:51SPEAKERI was going to say they're wifi ones, right?
16:52SPEAKERYeah.
16:53SPEAKERThat's the difference between the wifi stuff and like the Zigbee and Z-Wave stuff that's
16:57SPEAKERsold by Samsung smart things and Nest and the places that are backed by the giant multinational
17:03SPEAKERcompanies seems to be reliability.
17:06SPEAKERLike when I've had wifi light bulbs before they would disconnect and reconnect.
17:10SPEAKEREven like the old GE smart link bulbs were terrible and also the light they made was
17:16SPEAKERawful too.
17:17SPEAKERBut like you can get a pre-connected led dimmable smart bulb that works in any normal, what
17:25SPEAKERis it a 11 socket or eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, 69.
17:29SPEAKERI don't know which one.
17:30SPEAKERYeah.
17:31SPEAKERMaybe 15 might be the appliance.
17:33SPEAKERIt's the big screw in bulb that like 99% of your light bulbs are.
17:37SPEAKERYeah.
17:38SPEAKERNormalized light bulb.
17:39SPEAKERLike they, they, it just works.
17:40SPEAKERHow much are the crease?
17:41SPEAKERA good one, right?
17:42SPEAKERCrease are great.
17:43SPEAKERI think those are the kind of the highest rated reliability for basic led bulbs that
17:48SPEAKERI've seen.
17:49SPEAKERThose are the best price too.
17:50SPEAKERSo they make good light, which is why I buy them.
17:52SPEAKERThe price is like, I found them for as low as seven or eight dollars each.
17:56SPEAKERIf you buy a three pack for the connected ones, for the connected ones.
17:59SPEAKERWow.
18:00SPEAKERUsually I think they're like 15 bucks each, 20 bucks each a home Depot, a little bit much,
18:05SPEAKERbut we're getting there.
18:06SPEAKERWell, but they, I mean, they also are good for like a hundred thousand hours or something.
18:08SPEAKERSo like they're, you're not going to replace those bulbs.
18:11SPEAKERYeah.
18:12SPEAKERYeah.
18:13SPEAKERSo yeah.
18:14SPEAKERMaking stuff go around the house.
18:15SPEAKERIt's neat.
18:16SPEAKERDo you use it for anything else?
18:17SPEAKERDo you use like a, you have your coffee maker, anything hooked up to it?
18:18SPEAKERNo, nothing quite that ambitious yet, but like that's, that's more like owning a home type
18:21SPEAKERstuff around here.
18:24SPEAKERWe'll see.
18:25SPEAKERYeah.
18:26SPEAKERJust, just wait for the, wait for the recession and then I'm sure that'll jump.
18:28SPEAKERI'm sure that'll fix everything.
18:30SPEAKERIt's always my answer to everything.
18:32SPEAKERYeah.
18:33SPEAKERWhat else are you thankful for?
18:35SPEAKERYou know, I have a friend who works at Bose, which is a thing I never thought I would say,
18:40SPEAKERbut he introduced me to these.
18:43SPEAKERThey call them here phones.
18:45SPEAKERSo they're basically, they're noise connected headphones, but they have some, a little more
18:49SPEAKERprocessing power inside canceling headphones.
18:51SPEAKERNoise canceling.
18:52SPEAKERWhat did I say?
18:53SPEAKERConnected.
18:54SPEAKERNo.
18:55SPEAKERYeah.
18:56SPEAKERNo.
18:57SPEAKERYeah.
18:58SPEAKERNoise canceling headphones.
18:59SPEAKERBut they have do a little more processing power and they use the microphones that you
19:00SPEAKERuse for the noise canceling to like, let you magnify sound in a specific direction.
19:05SPEAKEROkay.
19:06SPEAKERSo like, well, not to, I don't want to get ahead of you.
19:07SPEAKERNo, no, go ahead.
19:08SPEAKERIs that the kind of thing that is starting to make its way into stuff like the AirPod
19:10SPEAKERpros that I'm seeing because they, Apple has some, some silly pithy name for that feature
19:15SPEAKERin the pros.
19:16SPEAKERAnd I can't remember exactly what it is, but it is, I think the similar, a similar kind
19:20SPEAKERof thing of kind of letting people who are talking to you come through.
19:22SPEAKERLive listen is what it's called or hearing.
19:24SPEAKERSo in the, at least in the original AirPods, it doesn't, it doesn't like, it doesn't magnify
19:30SPEAKERand amplify.
19:31SPEAKERYeah.
19:32SPEAKERSo this, these things actually, I mean, first the noise canceling is really good.
19:35SPEAKERThat's like, they're, they're in ear, they like rest on the, they rest on your ear.
19:40SPEAKERSo they don't block everything.
19:41SPEAKERI mean, you can, you can put cups on that will block everything, but they're not like
19:44SPEAKERthe ear canal buds that you have to jam all the way into your ear holes and they don't
19:48SPEAKERgo over your head.
19:49SPEAKERThey're really comfortable to wear for long periods.
19:51SPEAKERThey have like that little loop that goes inside the pinna of your ear.
19:56SPEAKERAnd they do great noise canceling.
19:57SPEAKERYou put them on the airplane, you don't hear anything, which is really all I give a shit
20:00SPEAKERabout the the, the, the, the noise, I can't really call it, but like the amplification
20:08SPEAKERbasically means that like, if you're in a bar and there's a lot of people talking around
20:12SPEAKERyou, or if you're on the airplane and the flight attendant comes up and says, Hey, what
20:14SPEAKERdo you want to drink?
20:15SPEAKERYou, you can say, I want this to just focus in directly in front of me.
20:19SPEAKERLike a 90 degree angle to the left and right, straight ahead.
20:23SPEAKERIt has directionality to it, dude.
20:25SPEAKERIt's amazing.
20:26SPEAKERLike that you can configure.
20:27SPEAKERYes.
20:28SPEAKERSo you can figure it on the app on your phone and you can like, if you were standing 20
20:31SPEAKERfeet away in your kitchen and whispering, I could make, I could turn it up enough and
20:35SPEAKERaim my head at you.
20:36SPEAKERAnd I would be able to hear what you were saying.
20:38SPEAKERYeah.
20:39SPEAKERIt's a little creepy.
20:40SPEAKERThat's some real kind of future spy, like James Bond tech kind of stuff.
20:44SPEAKERWell, well, so this came up because I like, my hearing is I have specific kinds of hearing
20:49SPEAKERproblems in that I'm, it's unclear to me whether it's a brain problem or an ear problem, but
20:54SPEAKERlike, I can't pick out people's, certain people's voices in crowded rooms at all.
20:59SPEAKERLike if your voice is in the same range, like you'd be fine because you have a deep voice,
21:03SPEAKERbut if your voice is in the same kind of frequency as like crowd murmur, ambient noise, I'm never
21:08SPEAKERgoing to be able to hear you no matter how loud you yell.
21:11SPEAKERSo he was like, you should try these.
21:12SPEAKERAnd he gave them to me at this conference we were at and I used them for a couple of
21:14SPEAKERdays.
21:15SPEAKERAnd I was like, I would like to buy up some of these.
21:16SPEAKERAnd he's like, well, so here you go.
21:17SPEAKERAnd he gave me his discount, which was really cool, but but yeah, they're neat.
21:22SPEAKERI like them a lot.
21:25SPEAKERThey're called Bose Hearphones.
21:26SPEAKERThey're like $500.
21:27SPEAKERSo they are way, way, way expensive.
21:30SPEAKERNo offense to any Bose fans out there, but like their stuff seems nice, but also Bose
21:36SPEAKERequipment kind of seems like the fill a queue of the audio world.
21:39SPEAKERI got a significant discount on that and felt like it was still pretty expensive.
21:44SPEAKERThey are the nicest pair of like, like they, they, they don't, they don't sound the best,
21:51SPEAKERbut the noise canceling and the amplification stuff is magic.
21:53SPEAKERYeah.
21:54SPEAKERThe full disclosure of the one Bose product I own is I can't remember what the model is,
21:58SPEAKERbut probably about five years ago I bought the noise canceling earbuds.
22:02SPEAKERThere are newer models out from them now.
22:04SPEAKERYeah.
22:05SPEAKERThey're the little, just the in ear ones, but they were the ones that Wirecutter recommended
22:08SPEAKERas like, cause they did pretty specific, like kind of oral tests on like exactly how well
22:13SPEAKERthe noise canceling worked and they're like, okay, this blocks the most.
22:16SPEAKERLauren Dragon over there, Dragon, I don't know how you say her last name, is fabulous.
22:20SPEAKERHer headphone reviews are tremendous.
22:22SPEAKERI can't get through a flight without them anymore.
22:25SPEAKERLike if I were to ever forget them when I went to the airport, I would, I mean, being
22:29SPEAKERhyperbolic here, I wouldn't actually turn around and miss my flight, but I would be
22:33SPEAKERincredibly sad.
22:34SPEAKERLike I've thought about, I mean, yeah, it's, it's like, you just don't understand how
22:38SPEAKERmuch more peaceful that experience is until you block out that, that drone.
22:42SPEAKERIt's it's, you know, 2016, 2017, 2018, I spent a ton of time on airplanes and it made such
22:48SPEAKERa huge difference having like, you, you feel way more, there's a feeling when you get off
22:54SPEAKERthe airplane where you just feel exhausted, even if it was just like a 90 minute flight
22:57SPEAKERand like you did nothing else unusual that day.
23:01SPEAKERAnd it helps.
23:02SPEAKERIt helps.
23:03SPEAKERIt's just the kind of the other kind of mental drag that you accumulate on a plane to just,
23:06SPEAKERyeah.
23:07SPEAKERIt brings that whole thing down a little bit.
23:10SPEAKERAll right.
23:12SPEAKERHow about, all right, you're ready for the most exciting item on this entire list.
23:16SPEAKERHit me.
23:17SPEAKERI have written down the ease of installing windows.
23:19SPEAKEROh yeah.
23:20SPEAKERI can see that.
23:21SPEAKERCause I just did a reinstall like a month ago or something.
23:25SPEAKERAnd you know, this is a very specific category of people that spent a lot of time reinstalling
23:31SPEAKERwindows, let's say in the nineties, but that process has gotten so easy and so fast now,
23:37SPEAKERlike it's just like, I used to think of that as a, as a half the day or all day task practically.
23:44SPEAKERWell, so now the thing for me is that it's like, it takes 20 minutes to reinstall windows
23:48SPEAKERand then like six hours to get everything back.
23:50SPEAKERYes.
23:51SPEAKERYes.
23:52SPEAKERThere's a lot of customization that has to happen.
23:53SPEAKERBut I built a new computer this summer and I hadn't done a windows install.
23:57SPEAKERI think my last windows install lasted the entire life of that motherboard, which has
24:01SPEAKERnever happened before.
24:02SPEAKERYeah, it has gotten, I usually go like a good couple of years at least now before I really
24:07SPEAKERstart feeling like the cruft is too much to deal with.
24:09SPEAKERIt used to be like, you could install a bad driver update and you're like, oh shit, well
24:13SPEAKERnow I got to reinstall windows.
24:14SPEAKERTime to burn another afternoon on this for the sixth time.
24:17SPEAKERBut yeah, it's much better process now.
24:20SPEAKERLike the, like not having to have installation media around, I feel like it's huge.
24:23SPEAKERI mean, some of this is just like how Microsoft has changed and gotten better as a company.
24:27SPEAKERI feel like since Nadella took over.
24:29SPEAKERDid you have to call and give them your number?
24:31SPEAKERI don't think I ever had to do that whole like change.
24:34SPEAKERYou're talking about like changing motherboards.
24:35SPEAKERYeah, if you change too many pieces of hardware in this PC that you don't think that I'm legitimately
24:40SPEAKERusing windows anymore.
24:41SPEAKERNo.
24:42SPEAKERIt's like, did you actually have to talk to a person?
24:43SPEAKERNo, I had to, I had to put the code back in and match the reactivate button and then it
24:48SPEAKERpopped up a prompt that was like, what hardware have you changed or have you changed hardware
24:52SPEAKERin this machine lately?
24:53SPEAKERAnd you said yes.
24:54SPEAKERAnd they were like, okay, you're activated.
24:56SPEAKEROkay.
24:57SPEAKERSo not actually that big a deal.
24:58SPEAKERNo, it was, I was thrilled because I expected to have to call somebody with like a terrible
25:01SPEAKERVoIP connection to the other part of the, some of the halfway around the world and then
25:05SPEAKERread 75 numbers to them or something ridiculous.
25:08SPEAKERBut I didn't.
25:09SPEAKERIt was nice.
25:10SPEAKERYeah.
25:11SPEAKERI mean, they do still track that stuff.
25:12SPEAKERIf you go into your Microsoft account and look at your devices, you'll still see like
25:14SPEAKERthe motherboard you have your windows license tied to listed there.
25:16SPEAKERReally?
25:17SPEAKEROh yeah.
25:18SPEAKEROh, I didn't know that.
25:19SPEAKERThey still like, they still name your PC on your list of devices after the motherboard
25:22SPEAKERthat's in it.
25:23SPEAKERFarnsworth one, Farnsworth two and Farnsworth three.
25:25SPEAKERYes.
25:26SPEAKERWow.
25:27SPEAKERBut like not having to keep like a, an installation CD around, you know, like it takes five minutes
25:31SPEAKERto go download the image from them and write it to an installer and like, I just, the speed
25:40SPEAKERof the installation process itself is like, especially like I'm running off an NVMe drive
25:45SPEAKERfor my assistant drive now, which is probably overkill for that purpose.
25:48SPEAKERBut no, I wanted the absolute fastest thing.
25:51SPEAKERIt speeds your boot time.
25:52SPEAKERYeah.
25:53SPEAKERNVMe will boot faster.
25:54SPEAKERI don't like the, uh, installing from a USB three storage device to that insanely fast
25:58SPEAKERdrive.
25:59SPEAKERLike I barely have time to get my phone out and like pull up Twitter and look at it for
26:03SPEAKERmore than 90 seconds.
26:04SPEAKERAnd like the installation is done and it's like booting into actual right.
26:07SPEAKERReal windows.
26:08SPEAKERLike it's insanity.
26:09SPEAKERCan I just say, I don't, the thing I don't like about this whole process is like every
26:13SPEAKERtime it does one of the big, like the half year patches to windows 10 and it, and it's
26:19SPEAKERlike, don't worry.
26:21SPEAKERWe've got your data.
26:22SPEAKERYeah.
26:23SPEAKERI fucking hate their attempts at being human.
26:25SPEAKERYeah.
26:26SPEAKERNo, they shouldn't.
26:27SPEAKERHello.
26:28SPEAKEREverything's right where you left it.
26:29SPEAKERNo, no.
26:30SPEAKERYou look, I don't care.
26:31SPEAKERYou don't want you to even think about that.
26:33SPEAKERYou don't have to communicate this to me, but Microsoft, I feel like Microsoft in general
26:36SPEAKERhas gotten so much better as a company in the last few years, but there are attempts
26:39SPEAKERat being Apple are more than a little greeting.
26:43SPEAKERApple's attempts are grading.
26:44SPEAKERSo there's an Apple is not as good at being Apple as it used to be that.
26:49SPEAKERAnd then the other thing that I, it makes me crazy is when you, the rare blue screens
26:53SPEAKERyou get, it has that QR code there and a big frowny face and a big frowny face.
26:59SPEAKERFuck.
27:00SPEAKERThe frowny face is fine.
27:01SPEAKERI don't, I'm not going to get into the frowny face being lame, but the QR code just goes
27:07SPEAKERto a generic page.
27:08SPEAKERYes.
27:09SPEAKERThat's so your computer has crashed.
27:11SPEAKERHere's some stuff.
27:12SPEAKERLike those, they have error messages there.
27:15SPEAKERWhy aren't the QR codes unique for their message?
27:18SPEAKERStuff is you knowledge bases are useless.
27:20SPEAKERThe knowledge base used to be really good and it's gotten progressively worse ever since
27:23SPEAKERthey launched Bing.
27:24SPEAKERI, anyway, this is what we're thankful for.
27:26SPEAKERI'm not thankful.
27:27SPEAKERThis week is the anti-thankful awards.
27:29SPEAKERRight.
27:30SPEAKERHere's everything we hate.
27:31SPEAKERHere's everything we're not thankful for.
27:32SPEAKERThe knowledge base has been replaced by Stack Overflow.
27:34SPEAKERGosh, basically.
27:35SPEAKERI have thoughts about Stack, we'll get into Stack Overflow next time.
27:40SPEAKERYeah.
27:41SPEAKERYeah.
27:42SPEAKERI feel like, I feel like Windows, I mean, Windows 10, they've kind of mucked up off
27:48SPEAKERand on.
27:49SPEAKERYou think?
27:50SPEAKERYeah.
27:51SPEAKERThey've, they've deleted people's data and some stuff like that.
27:53SPEAKERI mean, sure.
27:54SPEAKERYes.
27:55SPEAKERThere have been some big mistakes.
27:56SPEAKERThere have been some pretty rough bugs.
27:57SPEAKERYeah.
27:58SPEAKERBut I feel like they're, they're on an up cycle right now.
28:01SPEAKERRight?
28:02SPEAKERLike Windows has really been kind of like, on like one on one off for a while.
28:05SPEAKERLike
28:06SPEAKERYeah.
28:07SPEAKERI mean, I think people who got their data deleted by 1903 or whatever it was, or 18,
28:13SPEAKER1811.
28:14SPEAKERYeah, sure.
28:15SPEAKERProbably would feel like this is a pretty down cycle.
28:17SPEAKERYeah, you're right.
28:18SPEAKERBut I mean, like by and large XP was good.
28:21SPEAKERVista was bad.
28:22SPEAKERSeven was good.
28:23SPEAKEREight was bad.
28:24SPEAKERNow 10 is good.
28:25SPEAKERI mean, XP was, XP SP one was, SP two was pretty good.
28:28SPEAKERYeah.
28:29SPEAKERThat's yeah.
28:30SPEAKERYeah.
28:31SPEAKERYeah.
28:32SPEAKERXP was an up Windows.
28:33SPEAKERI can get behind that, I guess.
28:36SPEAKERI feel like, I feel like there are, I feel like 10 has overall, like compared and contrasted
28:42SPEAKERwith say Adobe, where they change everybody to a subscription model, charge them every
28:48SPEAKERyear and then barely do anything.
28:49SPEAKERIt seems like some years this year, I, who knows what changed.
28:53SPEAKERYeah.
28:55SPEAKERThe windows 10 thing has largely been good.
28:57SPEAKERYeah.
28:58SPEAKERAnd they've practically gone the OS 10 route at this point.
29:01SPEAKERRight.
29:02SPEAKERI mean, it's not literally free, but I feel like windows is, I, you can kind of just get
29:06SPEAKERit right at this point.
29:07SPEAKERWell, so you can download, you can install it like, I know you can like sort of trial
29:10SPEAKERit for quite a while.
29:11SPEAKERI think now I forget exactly how they're handling all that stuff.
29:14SPEAKERSo I think, I mean, we're, we're, we're a long way from the days when like a good version
29:17SPEAKERof windows was several bucks, several hundred dollars.
29:20SPEAKERYeah.
29:21SPEAKERThat's what I mean.
29:22SPEAKERAnd I knew windows for his computer because he's keeping the old one up and it was, it
29:26SPEAKERwas an OEM build.
29:27SPEAKERSo he couldn't transfer his license over and it was like a hundred bucks.
29:31SPEAKEROkay.
29:32SPEAKERFor the good one for pro.
29:33SPEAKERNo, he only got you.
29:34SPEAKERThe thing is you don't need pro anymore.
29:36SPEAKERPro has domain features, like it's domain features and bit locker.
29:39SPEAKEROkay.
29:40SPEAKERSo unless you're whole encrypting your hard drive or connecting to a domain, you really
29:43SPEAKERdon't need pro.
29:44SPEAKERInteresting.
29:45SPEAKEROkay.
29:46SPEAKERLike I went down the feature list for them.
29:47SPEAKERI was like, I don't think you need any of this stuff.
29:48SPEAKERIt's not worth an extra hundred.
29:49SPEAKERYeah.
29:50SPEAKEROkay.
29:51SPEAKERAnd you know, it's not insignificant.
29:53SPEAKERYeah.
29:54SPEAKERWell, you can always upgrade if you want.
29:55SPEAKERYeah.
29:56SPEAKERYou can always like hit the button later and add it, add it in.
29:57SPEAKERBut what I mean is like, it's not exactly free windows 10 is not exactly OS 10 in terms
30:02SPEAKERof how easily attained it is, but you pay for OS 10 when you buy the hardware.
30:07SPEAKERYeah.
30:08SPEAKERYeah.
30:09SPEAKERLike I'm buying it.
30:10SPEAKERLike I think when you, if you build a new computer, you're keeping your old one around,
30:12SPEAKERyou put windows 10 on it, you buy windows 10 then, and then you just move that to every
30:16SPEAKERcomputer down the line.
30:18SPEAKERYeah.
30:19SPEAKERAssuming, you know, I have two active windows 10 licenses in my house.
30:21SPEAKERI mean, don't get me wrong.
30:22SPEAKERIt's not perfect.
30:23SPEAKERAs somebody who's fighting for the last, since I reinstalled, it's been fighting to try to
30:28SPEAKERmake sure my networks drive, stay connected every time I reboot.
30:30SPEAKERLike it's got, it's got its issues, but it's generally just so much better than it used
30:35SPEAKERto be from, from the moment of installing or downloading the install media to getting
30:40SPEAKERit, you know, configured, customized, all that stuff.
30:43SPEAKERLike it just is so much more pleasant than it used to be.
30:45SPEAKERNot having to put boot sectors on a CD.
30:48SPEAKERYeah.
30:49SPEAKERI'm glad I never have to do that.
30:50SPEAKERNever the last time I installed motherboard specific drivers for anything.
30:54SPEAKERWell, you should still do that.
30:56SPEAKERYeah.
30:57SPEAKERCause the Microsoft ones aren't as good as the manufacturer ones.
31:00SPEAKERYou should at least install the Intel chipset driver.
31:02SPEAKERI may.
31:03SPEAKERI think I might've done it.
31:04SPEAKERThat'll make your stuff.
31:05SPEAKERLike if your, if your stuff isn't sleeping, this rolls right into your next problem, your
31:09SPEAKERnext pick.
31:10SPEAKERYeah.
31:11SPEAKERIf your stuff isn't sleeping right, then there are like that, that's almost always the Microsoft
31:17SPEAKERdriver not doing the thing that it's supposed to do.
31:19SPEAKERI, my, my, my habit is just to go look at device manager after I install windows and
31:24SPEAKERif anything is, if anything is unidentified or has a little yellow flag on it, I'm like,
31:27SPEAKERall right, I should go find a driver.
31:28SPEAKERBut if everything is recognized, I'm like, that's fine.
31:31SPEAKEROkay.
31:32SPEAKERYou install your chipset driver, you install your network drivers, you install your, if
31:34SPEAKERyou have Bluetooth, Bluetooth, you install the USB driver, you install the graphics card
31:39SPEAKERdriver.
31:40SPEAKERMaybe sound.
31:41SPEAKERThis doesn't sound very plug and play to me.
31:42SPEAKERIt is not at all plug and play.
31:44SPEAKERJust computers.
31:45SPEAKERLook, plug and play is a lie, Brad.
31:47SPEAKERI hope, uh, anyway, well, so what's your next thing on the list?
31:50SPEAKERPlug and play is another thing I wrote down on this list, but, all right, tell me why
31:55SPEAKERit's bullshit.
31:56SPEAKERNo, tell me why you like it.
31:57SPEAKERThis is a positive podcast.
31:58SPEAKERThis isn't about my meat grouse because I had started on windows three, one.
32:02SPEAKEROkay.
32:03SPEAKERThat's fair.
32:04SPEAKERDOS six, two or whatever.
32:05SPEAKERWe're having to manually select the IRQ.
32:07SPEAKERYeah.
32:08SPEAKERWe've talked about modem and it strings and requests and direct memory access.
32:12SPEAKERAnd okay.
32:13SPEAKERSo, so plug and play started with like what USB and windows 98 probably sure.
32:18SPEAKEROh, SR two.
32:19SPEAKERI think they, I mean, it wasn't that, that was like a backup box feature in windows 95,
32:22SPEAKERright?
32:23SPEAKEROh, SR two only.
32:24SPEAKERWas it?
32:25SPEAKERNo USB support in windows 95.
32:26SPEAKERNo, not USB.
32:27SPEAKERI mean like plug and play quote unquote.
32:28SPEAKERIt was marketing.
32:29SPEAKERThat was a marketing.
32:30SPEAKERThat was super duper a lie.
32:31SPEAKERWindows 95 plug.
32:32SPEAKERThat plug and play initiative was Intel, Microsoft, and somebody else.
32:36SPEAKERI can't remember.
32:37SPEAKERBut they got that rolling stone song.
32:38SPEAKERWhat are you, how can it start me up?
32:40SPEAKERHow could that be a lot?
32:41SPEAKERThat's because of the start button.
32:42SPEAKERNo, I don't know.
32:43SPEAKERI'm just saying, I'm just saying that whole launch was so festive and upbeat.
32:47SPEAKERSo none of that was bullshit.
32:50SPEAKEROverall plug and play is good.
32:53SPEAKERLike when plug and play works terrific.
32:55SPEAKERIt's great.
32:56SPEAKERFor example, when you reinstall windows and all the stuff on your motherboard just works
33:00SPEAKERor when I take this, this like at $15 memory card reader that we use to copy the files
33:05SPEAKERonto your hard drive.
33:07SPEAKERYeah.
33:08SPEAKERLike that's probably the real actual example is yeah.
33:09SPEAKERLike that little card reader you've got in your hand and like my, I've got a little no
33:12SPEAKERname Bluetooth dongle.
33:14SPEAKEROr like a USB headset.
33:16SPEAKERUsually you don't need drivers for USB audio and even some camera devices.
33:21SPEAKERThat may as well, HDMI capture, USB3 capture device I was talking about.
33:25SPEAKERNo drivers.
33:26SPEAKERIt just plugs it in and windows just sees it as a capture device.
33:29SPEAKERSo establishing guidelines for generic versions of all the drive, like blue microphones, all
33:34SPEAKERthis stuff.
33:35SPEAKERSuper duper good.
33:36SPEAKERHuge.
33:37SPEAKERYeah.
33:38SPEAKERReally, really good.
33:39SPEAKERReally useful.
33:40SPEAKERWay better.
33:41SPEAKERLess of a concern, but back in the day when you have to like dial in and download a three
33:46SPEAKERmegabyte driver would take you an hour to download, like it was a big deal to not have
33:51SPEAKERto do that stuff.
33:52SPEAKERYou have to fish out a floppy and format it and make a boot disk.
33:55SPEAKERGet one of those little tiny, remember those little like half size CDs.
33:59SPEAKERYeah.
34:00SPEAKERThose were good.
34:01SPEAKERYeah.
34:02SPEAKERAnyway.
34:03SPEAKERI don't like plug and play because when it doesn't work, it's really, really hard to
34:05SPEAKERtroubleshoot now.
34:06SPEAKERIs that because it doesn't expose as much of the process?
34:08SPEAKERIt's more of a black box than it used to be?
34:10SPEAKERYeah.
34:11SPEAKERI think we talked about this earlier, but when I was having trouble with too many USB
34:15SPEAKERdevices on my USB 3.1 chains, it's because they only addressed like the original version
34:21SPEAKERof USB 3.1 only let you put 120 something devices on.
34:27SPEAKERAnd if you're talking about, say, devices that have lots of composite devices like USB
34:32SPEAKERaudio mixers, which each channel has as its own device and VR headsets where there's a
34:39SPEAKERcamera and IMUs and Bluetooth radios and all this other stuff in those devices.
34:44SPEAKERYou're boned.
34:45SPEAKERYeah.
34:46SPEAKERBecause there's no nowhere in windows that I could find.
34:49SPEAKERIs there a, here, Hey dummy, you have 129 things connected to this chain.
34:54SPEAKERSo the first one that connects is going to get kicked off for no apparent reason.
34:57SPEAKERWow.
34:58SPEAKERIs that really how it works?
34:59SPEAKEREvery time you play.
35:00SPEAKEROh, it was great.
35:01SPEAKERThe first one is the one that gets moved?
35:02SPEAKERIt's either the first one or the last one.
35:03SPEAKERI can't remember.
35:04SPEAKEROh wow.
35:05SPEAKERThat's wild.
35:06SPEAKERIt was like, I called friends at motherboard manufacturers.
35:07SPEAKERMan, your USB drivers are garbage.
35:10SPEAKERNot only should you not have to do that, but most people don't have friends of other manufacturers.
35:14SPEAKERNo.
35:15SPEAKERYeah.
35:16SPEAKERThat's so yeah.
35:17SPEAKERShout out to JJ at Asus.
35:18SPEAKERHe helped me figure that out.
35:19SPEAKERA lot of quirks and idiosyncrasies in this stuff out there.
35:21SPEAKERLike the, the Bluetooth, the USB two Bluetooth dongle that I have, apparently I found out
35:25SPEAKERafter some searching can't be plugged into USB three port, despite the ports supposedly,
35:31SPEAKERyou know, going into the fallback mode for whatever reason, the polling on that, on the
35:37SPEAKERUSB three port is still too high for that dongle to deal with and it like screws up
35:41SPEAKERthe sink or something.
35:42SPEAKERWow.
35:43SPEAKERIt's like it literally is expecting exactly the rate of polling or whatever the USB two
35:48SPEAKERport is going to give it.
35:49SPEAKERSo you can't put it in.
35:50SPEAKERYeah.
35:51SPEAKEREsoteric search string.
35:52SPEAKERDid you have to put it in to figure that out?
35:53SPEAKERI've probably ended up on stack overflow again.
35:55SPEAKERI can't remember stack overflow used to be bad.
35:58SPEAKERNow it's good.
35:59SPEAKERRight?
36:00SPEAKERYeah.
36:01SPEAKERThat's been my general.
36:02SPEAKERYeah.
36:03SPEAKERExperience.
36:04SPEAKERYeah.
36:05SPEAKERI've been doing a lot of Unix stuff, but I don't know.
36:06SPEAKERI feel like the theme of my list is like a better, but still not amazing.
36:10SPEAKERI mean, so the, one of the things that I think about a lot is that we've seen massive, you
36:15SPEAKERknow, like we've reached a point where the phone in my pocket is an order of magnitude
36:20SPEAKERmore powerful than my computer was this time, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, and maybe, maybe
36:26SPEAKERequivalent to 10 years ago, but things, things probably they do more, but they don't necessarily
36:33SPEAKERwork better.
36:34SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
36:35SPEAKERHow do you mean?
36:36SPEAKERSo like, like I can take much better pictures and video now than I could this time 10 years
36:41SPEAKERago, but I mean, coming up on the end of the decade, I guess we should, this is the time
36:46SPEAKERto think about this stuff, but like my computer is not, I mean, I would get a couple of crashes
36:53SPEAKERa month, big crashes a month, right?
36:55SPEAKERStill see a couple of big crashes a month.
36:56SPEAKEROkay.
36:57SPEAKERSure.
36:58SPEAKERLike the more we do with the technology, the, the more new innovative ways for it to not
37:02SPEAKERwork right and the more time, I think I probably spend as much time fixing stuff now as I did
37:07SPEAKERthis time, 10 years ago.
37:08SPEAKERSo you basically say things are getting iteratively better, but still kind of, I'm not getting
37:13SPEAKERany more time back, right?
37:15SPEAKERLike it's a difference of degree, not of kind, like the, the, the basic computing, computing
37:20SPEAKERexperience, the end user experience is more or less what it was like.
37:23SPEAKERYeah.
37:24SPEAKERI think that's fair.
37:25SPEAKERThe games look better.
37:26SPEAKERYour pictures look better.
37:27SPEAKERYeah.
37:28SPEAKERThe monitor is bigger and higher resolution.
37:29SPEAKERMaybe, well, maybe for most of us, maybe yours are, how's that monitor going?
37:33SPEAKERI noticed you'd have any monitors on your list, still checking, still checking those
37:36SPEAKERpress releases.
37:37SPEAKERBut I get it.
37:38SPEAKERYou know, like, you know, like the music is the compressed music is less compressed, you
37:42SPEAKERknow, like, yeah, the files are smaller, all of the of things is, you know, the drives
37:47SPEAKERare bigger and cheaper.
37:48SPEAKERI have an enormous, I have every disc I've ever bought with a movie on it.
37:51SPEAKERIt's all stored on a Plex server in my garage.
37:53SPEAKERI can watch them all anywhere in the world.
37:55SPEAKERInstantly.
37:56SPEAKERYeah.
37:57SPEAKERI spend so much time fucking with that.
37:59SPEAKERIt's astounding.
38:00SPEAKERYeah.
38:01SPEAKERSame.
38:02SPEAKERAnd then don't actually really use it for anything.
38:03SPEAKEROh, mine gets used a lot.
38:04SPEAKERYeah.
38:05SPEAKERCan we talk about streaming games?
38:10SPEAKERSure.
38:11SPEAKERPerhaps not like the audience might think.
38:14SPEAKERYou mean?
38:15SPEAKERWell, I mean, it's Stadia launch week.
38:16SPEAKERThat's true.
38:17SPEAKEROkay.
38:18SPEAKERMaybe they're not like that at all.
38:19SPEAKERMaybe they are thinking about it.
38:20SPEAKERI haven't spent any, I've spent like 10 minutes noodling with that thing.
38:23SPEAKERIt seems okay.
38:24SPEAKEROh, you've got access to it?
38:25SPEAKERI've got access to it at the test office at norm head.
38:28SPEAKERThere's they sent them.
38:29SPEAKERIt seems neat.
38:30SPEAKERI got to, I also got to try it for like 90 seconds and just like with the X cloud stuff
38:35SPEAKERthat I tried a few months ago, like I was kind of shocked at the lack of latency.
38:38SPEAKERYeah.
38:39SPEAKERI played mortal combat and I was able to like get hits and blocks and stuff.
38:42SPEAKERIf you really pay attention and I played some destiny, which I've got plenty of experience
38:45SPEAKERplaying locally and if you really stop and pay attention, you can notice it.
38:50SPEAKERBut inside of, yeah, like I said, 90 seconds or something, I kind of wasn't thinking about
38:54SPEAKERit feeling off anymore.
38:56SPEAKERI think your brain just adjust.
38:57SPEAKERIt's kind of remarkable how that's the thing I was the most skeptical of was, was feedback
39:02SPEAKERand latency and control precision and stuff.
39:04SPEAKERBut really I feel like the, from what I've seen, like the quality of the video compression
39:09SPEAKERis a bigger deal than the actual feel of the controls.
39:12SPEAKERYeah.
39:13SPEAKERThe thing that, yeah, that, that seems right.
39:15SPEAKERThe video compression problems didn't seem like as big a problem on the phone as they
39:18SPEAKERwould on the TV.
39:19SPEAKERThat's not to say the video impression is a big deal.
39:21SPEAKERIt's more to say like the latency really kind of isn't.
39:23SPEAKERWell the thing is crazy.
39:24SPEAKERBut anyway, like I, I don't know, we're kind of talking around your real focus here.
39:30SPEAKERStreaming in the house is really awesome.
39:32SPEAKERLike I, I have a small house, but I have a couple of TVs set up all over and I have one
39:35SPEAKERgiant PC in my office that has a huge video card and a big CPU and it's awesome for playing
39:41SPEAKERgames on.
39:43SPEAKERBut after I sit in that desk all day working, I don't always want to sit and play video
39:47SPEAKERgames there for another two or three hours at night.
39:50SPEAKERAnd being able to get a, I think at one point they were like $4 or now they're an app on
39:55SPEAKERyour TV.
39:56SPEAKERIf you have a newer TV or an Apple TV or something like that, or on your phone, being able to
40:01SPEAKERstream games from that giant PC into the other room or from the PS4 to a PC or whatever.
40:06SPEAKERIt's awesome.
40:07SPEAKERI love it.
40:08SPEAKERI was playing Outer Worlds last night, which is a terrible example because it actually
40:11SPEAKERdoesn't TV particularly well.
40:14SPEAKERThe font size?
40:15SPEAKERThe fonts are terrible.
40:16SPEAKERThat is a separate issue.
40:17SPEAKERBut like I was laying in bed playing Outer Worlds and that's awesome.
40:20SPEAKERI love that.
40:21SPEAKERAre you on a physical Steam link?
40:22SPEAKERSo that one is a physical Steam link because it's an older TV.
40:26SPEAKERBut yeah, it's rad.
40:28SPEAKERThere seems to be a small but very devoted following for that thing.
40:33SPEAKERThere's a very active subreddit for Steam OS stuff, which is I think where there's a
40:38SPEAKERSteam link subreddit as well, but the Steam OS one is where the good info is.
40:42SPEAKERIs it even snappier than what you've seen of remote stuff like Stadia in the little
40:47SPEAKERbit of time you've gotten to try that?
40:48SPEAKERI would think over your own land with, I mean, you're literally talking like tens of feet
40:53SPEAKERof ethernet, right?
40:54SPEAKERLike you're not that far away from the source.
40:55SPEAKERSo that one's actually over wifi.
40:57SPEAKEROh, really?
40:58SPEAKERSo yeah, the box, I think those boxes shipped 802.11n, but they had 802.11ac radios.
41:04SPEAKERAnd when it connects to ac, it connects to ac now and it seems like it's much, much better.
41:10SPEAKERI yeah, I think it's really good.
41:12SPEAKERI think it's like there, it used to be that you couldn't play Spelunky on it.
41:17SPEAKERNow you can.
41:18SPEAKERI don't know what devilry has changed.
41:20SPEAKERIt could just be that the video, the hardware video stuff on the video cards gotten better.
41:24SPEAKERCause I think when I got the, the link, the steam link, I probably had a 980, which I
41:29SPEAKERdon't think had the dedicated H.264 compression stuff.
41:33SPEAKERAnd I feel like Nvidia has definitely gotten better with that over the last couple of generations,
41:37SPEAKERbut yeah, it, it just works.
41:39SPEAKERLike I play my, my, we play Lego, the Incredibles and Lego games with my kid in the living room.
41:45SPEAKERI play games that I want to play when I'm laying in bed and I'm not able to go to sleep.
41:48SPEAKERAnd, and, and I can do it by phone now too.
41:52SPEAKERAnd you don't feel like you're missing anything in terms of experience overall video quality
41:57SPEAKERcontrol responsiveness.
41:58SPEAKERLike, is it, would you, would you say it's basically just as good?
42:01SPEAKERSo I wouldn't, I don't think I would, I don't really play fighting games, but if I did,
42:04SPEAKERI don't think I would try to play like that kind of game.
42:08SPEAKERSpelunky is a really time to time timing dependent game.
42:10SPEAKERAnd I played a lot of Spelunky over it and it works just fine.
42:13SPEAKERAnd then they added the, the local, like the couch couch game streaming thing a couple
42:19SPEAKERof weeks ago, which I don't know if you've used yet.
42:21SPEAKEROh, is that out?
42:22SPEAKEROh yeah.
42:23SPEAKERI saw, I saw they announced it.
42:24SPEAKERIt's rad.
42:25SPEAKEROkay.
42:26SPEAKERI was able to play it.
42:27SPEAKERSo like Heave Ho is a game that doesn't have internet multiplayer.
42:28SPEAKERIt's a hilarious game.
42:30SPEAKERI played that with some friends a couple of weeks.
42:31SPEAKERI put it on the extra live stream actually with three of us in Austin and LA and San
42:36SPEAKERFrancisco.
42:37SPEAKERAnd we were able to play with, you know, voice and discord and, and the game and it worked
42:41SPEAKERpretty well.
42:42SPEAKERThat's cool.
42:43SPEAKERUm, I think we even, we, we tried, um, uh, samurai gun and some other like twiggy, like
42:48SPEAKERI don't think I would try knit hog probably a little too Twitch.
42:52SPEAKERIt's a little too fast.
42:53SPEAKERYeah.
42:54SPEAKERI think the host advantage is real.
42:55SPEAKERThe games don't have to support it, right?
42:57SPEAKEROr do they have to, is there an API they need to hook into?
42:59SPEAKERLike it's not just any local multiplayer game immediately or automatically works.
43:03SPEAKERSo I tried to do it with Octodad and didn't work the other day.
43:06SPEAKERMy hunch is that you have to flip the switch, something they need to do, but you may have
43:11SPEAKERto use the steam controller APIs rather than X input or whatever older games use.
43:15SPEAKEROkay.
43:16SPEAKERYeah.
43:17SPEAKERIt's it's like, I'm more interested in that kind of steam streaming game than like the
43:21SPEAKERcloud stuff, but yeah, all of it taken as a whole though, really seems like the way
43:27SPEAKERthings are going like it or not.
43:29SPEAKERLike I wouldn't win this stuff was first being floated as a concept in the last three, four
43:33SPEAKERor five years.
43:34SPEAKERYeah.
43:35SPEAKERSo I actually had a very grumpy kind of from my cold dead hands reaction about taking away
43:41SPEAKERmy local processing.
43:42SPEAKERWell, that's when you were still having, that's when you still had, you bought games on discs
43:45SPEAKERbecause it was like 360, like on live was three, six prior to three 60 I think.
43:49SPEAKERWasn't it?
43:50SPEAKERNo, no, no, no.
43:51SPEAKERIt was midway through this.
43:52SPEAKERI think it was when we were at tested, I think it was early this decade.
43:55SPEAKERYeah.
43:56SPEAKERIt was like 2010, 2012.
43:57SPEAKERYeah.
43:58SPEAKERBut yeah, like, but even more recently, like when the seemingly came out and stuff, I looked
44:02SPEAKERat that and I was like, no, why would I ever know?
44:03SPEAKERI want to play on the thing that is doing the processing of the game and minimize, maximize
44:08SPEAKERquality, visual quality, and minimize any kind of lag.
44:11SPEAKERBut like, it seems like maybe that stuff it's, it's getting to a good enough point now.
44:15SPEAKERI mean, I think the wifi has gotten a lot better, which is part of it.
44:17SPEAKERBut the other thing is, yeah, the, the, all you're doing is changing the latency of an
44:23SPEAKERHDMI cable, which is pretty low.
44:25SPEAKERAnd the processing on the monitor to like a bit conversion, bit conversion.
44:31SPEAKERAnd those, those are getting faster all the time.
44:33SPEAKERThat's fair.
44:34SPEAKERI mean, I'm going to keep running my 30 foot HDMI cable down the hall for the time being,
44:40SPEAKERbut it seems like we're getting closer.
44:42SPEAKERJust think if you had a bigger monitor in the office, you wouldn't have that big HDMI
44:45SPEAKERcable.
44:46SPEAKERI get it.
44:47SPEAKERSit back there with the piggies.
44:48SPEAKERLet's see.
44:49SPEAKERLast thing I've got on my list is we were talking about SSDs before this.
44:56SPEAKERYeah.
44:57SPEAKERSSDs what?
44:58SPEAKERYou floated the idea of SSDs as a thing to be thankful for.
45:02SPEAKERI'm thankful about SSDs.
45:03SPEAKERWhereas I feel like my enthusiasm for PC SSDs in particular is kind of at a low end right
45:08SPEAKERnow.
45:09SPEAKERI feel like they've, they've gotten cheap and widely available enough that they are
45:15SPEAKERjust kind of a fact of life now.
45:17SPEAKERYou can get those Intel two terabyte drives for under $200 now.
45:20SPEAKERYeah.
45:21SPEAKEROkay.
45:22SPEAKERThat's getting there.
45:23SPEAKERLike, so I guess that's the distinction I'm trying to make.
45:25SPEAKERLike they they're, they're, they're kind of a no brainer now to have SSDs, but we have
45:30SPEAKERnot seen the sort of quantum leap in SSDs in the last little bit that I would like to
45:34SPEAKERsee to really feel like something is getting worth getting excited about again in that
45:39SPEAKERspace.
45:40SPEAKERMan, they're plugged right into the PCI express bus now.
45:42SPEAKERI mean that's cool.
45:43SPEAKERYeah.
45:44SPEAKERYou know, like I said, I've got windows installed on that NVME drive and that's cool, but think
45:48SPEAKERabout how fast your games load.
45:50SPEAKERThink about how much faster death stranding would load.
45:52SPEAKERThat sounds good.
45:53SPEAKERLike I'm not, I'm not going to lie, like, but we've had, we've had good SSDs and PCs
45:57SPEAKERfor like eight, but we haven't in consoles.
45:59SPEAKERNo, that is a whole separate issue or conversation.
46:02SPEAKERI mean, that's going to be great.
46:04SPEAKEREvery time I load a destiny multiplayer crucible game and I have to wait the extra minute for
46:08SPEAKERthe guy that has the hard drive to load the map in like, man, it'd be nice if everybody
46:12SPEAKERwas forced to have an SSD.
46:14SPEAKERI mean, not very egalitarian of me.
46:17SPEAKERSounded a little bit dystopian.
46:19SPEAKERLook, man, here's your government issued.
46:21SPEAKERI don't want to wait another 30 seconds because some, some guy hasn't upgraded his hard drive
46:25SPEAKERin the last six years.
46:26SPEAKERThat's fair.
46:27SPEAKERI get it.
46:28SPEAKERYeah.
46:29SPEAKERThat's what I'm waiting for.
46:30SPEAKERThe thing, the thing I will be thankful for about SSDs is when we get into, I'm trying
46:35SPEAKERto think like what the price to storage ratio is that I'm really looking for.
46:43SPEAKERLike what I really think about is having a NAS full of SSDs instead of spinning hard
46:47SPEAKERdrives.
46:48SPEAKEROh, sweet Jesus.
46:49SPEAKERAll I want is a magical sunshine land with lollipops and I mean, you could do that right
46:55SPEAKERnow if you're, if you're captain, if you're Jeff Bezos.
46:59SPEAKEROh yeah.
47:00SPEAKERBut well, no, so I've got four, six terabyte drives.
47:03SPEAKERSo that's 24 terabytes of storage and I think there, well with redundancy and stuff, it's
47:09SPEAKERway less.
47:10SPEAKERBut I mean, there's 24.
47:11SPEAKERSo if you, if you got 12, 12 terabyte SSDs, you're right there.
47:15SPEAKERSo you're talking about just having more drives, $2,400.
47:18SPEAKERYou're good to go.
47:19SPEAKERThat's still, that is a lot more than I spend on those hard drives.
47:22SPEAKERThose hard drives are what, 200 bucks each?
47:25SPEAKERLess than that.
47:26SPEAKEROkay.
47:27SPEAKERA good bit less.
47:28SPEAKEROkay.
47:29SPEAKERYeah.
47:30SPEAKERI'd watch for some sales and stuff.
47:31SPEAKERYeah.
47:32SPEAKERWell, the other thing is there aren't enough, like I would have to get extra SATA cards
47:35SPEAKERfor that PC.
47:36SPEAKEROh, there's a whole host of problems to it to accommodate, you need a drive cage or whatever.
47:40SPEAKERYeah.
47:41SPEAKERThat's the thing I was going to say is like, there is not a six terabyte SSD on the market
47:44SPEAKERyet.
47:45SPEAKERWell, there are, there is not price.
47:46SPEAKERYou can't afford them.
47:47SPEAKERI don't think sixes are out.
47:48SPEAKERI think four is where it tops out right now.
47:49SPEAKERI'm sure they have data center or something, but it's probably $1,200.
47:52SPEAKERBut I mean, you can buy a four terabyte consumer SSD now, but it's like five, $600, something
47:58SPEAKERlike that.
47:59SPEAKERIt'll come.
48:00SPEAKERYeah.
48:01SPEAKERWe're getting there.
48:02SPEAKERIt's always going to be way smaller than the spinning platters.
48:03SPEAKERI guess.
48:04SPEAKERI mean, until, until we hit the physical.
48:05SPEAKERI mean, yeah.
48:06SPEAKERSo what do you, do you think, do we ever hit a point where like hard drives have just been
48:09SPEAKERdeprecated as a technology enough that SSDs are actually bigger?
48:12SPEAKERYeah, absolutely.
48:13SPEAKERBecause at some point, at some point, like, look, hard drives work by spinning a physical
48:18SPEAKERbit, vertical or horizontal based on whether it's one or zero.
48:20SPEAKERYou're going to just run into practical size limits at some point, right?
48:23SPEAKERYeah.
48:24SPEAKERAnd like 10 years ago, they were talking about how they were reaching the size limits and
48:26SPEAKERthen somebody figured out that you could put the bits on the end and just turn them so
48:29SPEAKERthat you could pack way more stuff in.
48:32SPEAKERSo yeah.
48:33SPEAKERI don't know, man.
48:34SPEAKERAre you saying the hard drive stays are numbered?
48:36SPEAKERI mean, they've been saying that for 20 years now.
48:39SPEAKERIt's like Moore's law, except for Moore's law is actually gone.
48:41SPEAKERHonestly, like the big thing.
48:42SPEAKERI mean, it would be nice to be able to just leave the NAS on all the time and not worry
48:45SPEAKERabout power consumption, wasting electricity.
48:47SPEAKERWell, they still use power.
48:48SPEAKERYeah, but not nearly as much.
48:50SPEAKERI mean, it's not nearly as much.
48:52SPEAKERI mean, you're running a physical motor.
48:53SPEAKERI just make the, I put the NAS drives to sleep.
48:55SPEAKEROh, I don't do that.
48:56SPEAKERYou should do that.
48:57SPEAKERReally?
48:58SPEAKERYeah.
48:59SPEAKERIt saves you a lot of power.
49:00SPEAKERIt seems like the trade off was like lifespan of the drives, like spinning them up and down
49:02SPEAKERall the time is going to, is going to eat into there.
49:04SPEAKERAnd so that's, that's the real reason that I want the solid state drives in a NAS is
49:10SPEAKERbecause I mean, if you've got a bulk storage thing like that, you've probably got stuff
49:13SPEAKERon there.
49:14SPEAKERYou don't want to lose, you know, like I've got all kinds of old home movies and all my
49:19SPEAKERlike college papers and stuff like that, like just kind of sentimental stuff.
49:23SPEAKERCopy that stuff.
49:24SPEAKERWe'll back it up.
49:25SPEAKERBut like having a thing where you don't have to worry about mechanical failure leading
49:29SPEAKERto data loss.
49:30SPEAKERYeah.
49:31SPEAKERI can.
49:32SPEAKERI mean, look, I, hard drives are unreliable and shitty is what I'm saying.
49:35SPEAKERWe'll be happy when they're gone.
49:36SPEAKERSo here's the thing.
49:37SPEAKERIf you're running hard drives 24/7 in a NAS, you should plan to replace them at least every
49:41SPEAKERthree years.
49:42SPEAKEROh yeah.
49:43SPEAKERI've got, I've got one identical drive in the closet ready to go as soon as one fails.
49:46SPEAKERBut like all of those, once you hit three years, you're a ticking time bomb on those.
49:51SPEAKERSure.
49:52SPEAKERSo you should just budget for, Hey, I need to put new hard drives in every, every three
49:55SPEAKERor four years.
49:56SPEAKERYeah.
49:57SPEAKERBut I'm sure I've, you know, I've lost data.
49:59SPEAKERI'm sure you have, like most people have probably lost some data on a drive, a single drive
50:03SPEAKERthat failed that they didn't have a backup for.
50:05SPEAKERRight?
50:06SPEAKERYeah.
50:07SPEAKERThat's why I back everything up now.
50:08SPEAKERRight.
50:09SPEAKERThat's why we all back up everything now.
50:10SPEAKERTotally.
50:11SPEAKERBut it's just, you know, it's, it's a huge point of failure.
50:12SPEAKERI don't think SSDs are inherently that much more reliable.
50:15SPEAKERI think we have.
50:16SPEAKERBut they fail differently.
50:17SPEAKERThey fail differently.
50:18SPEAKERWe haven't.
50:19SPEAKERThey don't fail as catastrophically as a hard drive.
50:21SPEAKERThat's in my experience.
50:22SPEAKERThat's well, the thing is we haven't hit the point where we, we haven't reached the point
50:26SPEAKERwhere where we're going to know what happens with hard drives when they fail.
50:32SPEAKERYou mean with SSDs?
50:33SPEAKERI guess so.
50:34SPEAKERLike we're, we're SSDs just started getting really popular about five years ago and most
50:39SPEAKERpeople don't use them in a way that's going to make them fail quickly.
50:41SPEAKERYeah.
50:42SPEAKERYou're right.
50:43SPEAKERIt's mostly dependent on writes, not reads.
50:44SPEAKERYes.
50:45SPEAKERSo like I, and when they fail, they're probably going to be less recoverable than say a spinning
50:50SPEAKERset of platters.
50:51SPEAKERI guess I would believe that like, like if you have the right facilities, you can take
50:54SPEAKERthe discs out of the thing, put them in an identical drive and they'll just work.
50:58SPEAKERThe magnetic data might still be attacked.
51:00SPEAKERProbably there.
51:01SPEAKERA mechanical problem.
51:02SPEAKERYeah.
51:03SPEAKERI don't know.
51:04SPEAKERMy impression is that SSDs are pretty self-policing about their, the way they fail.
51:08SPEAKERLike they're, they're, you know, there are ways to tell, like.
51:11SPEAKERAssuming they fail because they've the, like the right, the right, they've run out of capacity
51:16SPEAKERfor more writes.
51:17SPEAKERYeah.
51:18SPEAKERLike they start siloing that, that area of the memory off.
51:19SPEAKERRight.
51:20SPEAKERThat's what it's supposed to when that stuff starts going back.
51:22SPEAKERLike if the controller just wears out, like if there, if a capacitor pops on the controller
51:26SPEAKERor something like that, like, like yesterday I was firing up my stream PC, the one that
51:30SPEAKERruns the OBS and all that stuff.
51:33SPEAKERAnd it just turned off and rebooted for no reason.
51:35SPEAKERNice.
51:36SPEAKERAnd when it came back up, it didn't have any drives inside.
51:38SPEAKEROkay.
51:39SPEAKERI was like, that's weird.
51:40SPEAKERCause there's definitely a drive in there.
51:42SPEAKERAnd I powered it all the way off and powered it all the way back on and it worked.
51:47SPEAKERAnd I back hit the backup button immediately.
51:49SPEAKERYou can't trust electrons.
51:50SPEAKERNo, that's the thing.
51:52SPEAKERThey're untrustworthy.
51:53SPEAKERYes.
51:54SPEAKERThey're feisty.
51:55SPEAKERBut SSDs are nice.
51:56SPEAKERI think.
51:57SPEAKERYeah.
51:58SPEAKERThey're good.
51:59SPEAKERDespite your hate.
52:00SPEAKERThey could be better.
52:01SPEAKERI can't believe you.
52:02SPEAKERI'm so, I feel like I've learned so much horrible stuff today.
52:03SPEAKERWhat have SSDs done for me lately?
52:04SPEAKERLook, how long I'm going to, I'm going to take your NVMe SSD, I'm going to replace it
52:09SPEAKERwith a six terabyte spinning disk drive and I'm going to see, we'll see if he notices
52:13SPEAKERthe difference.
52:14SPEAKERIt's like the Folgers challenge tasters.
52:16SPEAKERWhat was it? Taster's Choice.
52:19SPEAKERWe've replaced his, his normal coffee with delicious Taster's Choice.
52:23SPEAKERWe're really dating ourselves here.
52:25SPEAKERYeah.
52:26SPEAKERAnyway, you'll, you'll know, and you'll know in the three minutes it takes you to start
52:28SPEAKERyour computer.
52:29SPEAKERYeah.
52:30SPEAKERI guess that does it for us this week.
52:31SPEAKERI think so.
52:32SPEAKERWe've got all the turkey to eat.
52:33SPEAKERA lot of butt stuff.
52:34SPEAKERLet's talk some turkey.
52:35SPEAKERYeah.
52:36SPEAKERI hope you have a good Thanksgiving.
52:37SPEAKERThank you.
52:38SPEAKERYeah.
52:39SPEAKERDo the same.
52:40SPEAKERYeah.
52:41SPEAKERI'm going back to Virginia this year for the first time in 20 years.
52:42SPEAKERTo the, to the old family visit.
52:43SPEAKERSo I wanted to go and we're going to go see some museums in DC with the kiddo and do some
52:47SPEAKERother stuff.
52:48SPEAKERSo it'll be fun.
52:49SPEAKERBut wish you and yours a happy holiday.
52:51SPEAKERYeah.
52:52SPEAKERSame to everybody in the audience too.
52:53SPEAKERYeah.
52:54SPEAKERThanks for everybody for listening.
52:55SPEAKERThanks for all the reviews on iTunes.
52:56SPEAKERWe're thankful for you.
52:57SPEAKERYeah.
52:58SPEAKERWe are very thankful for you.
52:59SPEAKERAnd for your iTunes reviews.
53:00SPEAKERYeah, exactly.
53:01SPEAKEREspecially thankful for those positive iTunes reviews.
53:02SPEAKERFour stars and higher.
53:03SPEAKERNo, no.
53:04SPEAKERBut yeah, no, thank you all.
53:05SPEAKERIt's lovely to get feedback.
53:06SPEAKERI think maybe we'll do a question episode in the next couple episodes again, because I think
53:09SPEAKERrather than do, you know, all of the questions at the end of each episode, we'll do like
53:14SPEAKERquestions every few weeks, save them up for a month or month and a half or something like
53:19SPEAKERcornucopia of user emails.
53:21SPEAKERYes.
53:22SPEAKERSo send your emails to techpod@content.town and we will answer them in an upcoming episode.
53:27SPEAKERIndeed.
53:28SPEAKERSee you all next time.
53:29SPEAKERHappy Thanksgiving, everybody.
53:39SPEAKERBye.