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11: Spatchcock Central

2019-11-24 · 53:47

00:00SPEAKERYou're pro-spatchcock.

00:01SPEAKERAm I?

00:02SPEAKERHow do you feel about the turkeys I've made the last two or three years?

00:05SPEAKERI mean, if that's what spatchcocking is, then I guess it's put me in.

00:08SPEAKERYeah.

00:09SPEAKERSpatchcocking is the simple process of cutting out the backbone of the turkey, removing the

00:14SPEAKERthighs and then flatten it a little bit.

00:17SPEAKERKind of performing surgery.

00:19SPEAKERYeah.

00:20SPEAKERIt's more of a necropsy or whatever, but the idea is the breast, the white meat and the

00:27SPEAKERdark meat cook at different rates and temperatures and you need them done to different amounts.

00:30SPEAKERSo a lot of the shenanigans when you're making a turkey are to, you know, don't overcook

00:35SPEAKERthe breast because you need it to like 160 or 165.

00:38SPEAKERYou want succulents.

00:39SPEAKERYeah.

00:40SPEAKERAnd you want the thighs to be up to like 170.

00:42SPEAKERYou want them a little bit more cooked.

00:44SPEAKERSo you do a lot of stuff like flip the turkey and a bunch of nonsense, but if you just chop

00:48SPEAKERthe backbone out and then lay it flat, then you just do the whole thing at one time.

00:51SPEAKERIt works much better.

00:52SPEAKERSet it and forget it.

00:53SPEAKERWell, you can start-

00:54SPEAKERAs a wise man once said.

00:55SPEAKERYou can start the thighs and then put the breast in once the thighs are already going.

00:59SPEAKERAnd then you can stuff that wonderful stuffing in there.

01:01SPEAKEROh no.

01:02SPEAKERThen you just put a whole giant pile of stuffing and then you rest the turkey on top of it.

01:06SPEAKEROh, you put it under?

01:07SPEAKERLike a roof.

01:08SPEAKERWait a minute.

01:09SPEAKERLet me tell you what happens.

01:10SPEAKERIt's not really stuffing when you don't stuff it in the carcass, right?

01:11SPEAKERLook, when you cut the backbone out, there's nothing to stuff inside.

01:13SPEAKERI guess.

01:14SPEAKERBut then what do you call the stuffing?

01:15SPEAKERIt's stuffing.

01:16SPEAKERIt's the under.

01:17SPEAKERIt's dressing then I guess.

01:18SPEAKERLet me tell you what happens when you put the dressing, when you put the stuffing underneath

01:21SPEAKERthe bird, all the delicious fat that renders when the bird gets hot, goes down through

01:26SPEAKERthe meat, makes the meat nice and juicy and moist and delicious.

01:29SPEAKERAnd then where does it go from there?

01:31SPEAKERStraight to the stuffing.

01:32SPEAKERSo instead of having a little tiny cavity sized amount of turkey butt stuffing, it's

01:38SPEAKERall butt stuffing.

01:40SPEAKERAnd you know what the best stuffing is?

01:41SPEAKERWhat's that?

01:42SPEAKERThe butt stuffing.

01:43SPEAKERI think it's time for Brad and Will to make a tech pod.

02:07SPEAKERYou know what I'm thankful for?

02:09SPEAKERWhat are you thankful for?

02:10SPEAKERAn opportunity to get together and sit down and talk about a wide range of tech topics.

02:14SPEAKERIt is a delight.

02:15SPEAKEROn a one topic per week basis.

02:17SPEAKERWell this week, our topic is something a little different than we've done in the past.

02:22SPEAKERThis week we're going to talk about technologies that we are thankful for.

02:24SPEAKERYeah, because it's Thanksgiving.

02:25SPEAKERIt's the season.

02:26SPEAKERIt's the time of year.

02:27SPEAKERYeah.

02:28SPEAKERIt is the season.

02:29SPEAKERThe Easter Bunny's coming.

02:30SPEAKERWe got to think about...

02:31SPEAKERWait, no, that's...

02:32SPEAKERNope.

02:33SPEAKERNope.

02:34SPEAKERNext year.

02:35SPEAKERIt's bunk that there's no animal mascot for Thanksgiving.

02:37SPEAKERIs it not the turkey?

02:38SPEAKERI mean, the turkey's getting devoured.

02:40SPEAKERI guess that's kind of...

02:41SPEAKERThe turkey's more of the sacrifice.

02:42SPEAKERI guess that's fair.

02:43SPEAKERYeah.

02:44SPEAKEROh, there should be like a cheerful, yet sometimes a little bit sinister animal mascot for Thanksgiving.

02:52SPEAKERYes.

02:53SPEAKERI kind of, I just want to point out, I think the, just given the nature of this podcast,

02:58SPEAKERI think we've constrained these topics to pretty like, you know, everyday geeky around

03:03SPEAKERthe house sort of consumer tech stuff.

03:05SPEAKERYeah.

03:06SPEAKERConsumer electronics.

03:07SPEAKERAnd I just want to make the point, there's a lot of more meaningful stuff to be thankful

03:11SPEAKERfor out there.

03:12SPEAKERI'm really thankful for running water and electricity, having not had them multiple

03:15SPEAKERtimes this year.

03:16SPEAKERYeah, totally.

03:17SPEAKERStuff like that.

03:18SPEAKERAnd, you know, there's lots of charities and activist groups and-

03:22SPEAKERMedical and medical technologies.

03:24SPEAKERYes.

03:25SPEAKERA lot of groups out there to be thankful for doing a lot of important work these days.

03:28SPEAKERBut yeah.

03:29SPEAKERI just wanted to throw that out there because the list of things we're thankful for that

03:33SPEAKERwe've assembled here are from a fairly narrow category, let's say.

03:38SPEAKERNow that you put it that way, I feel-

03:40SPEAKERThings that you might encounter around our houses.

03:42SPEAKERYeah.

03:43SPEAKERThings that I could sit at my desk and turn the chair and look at and see maybe.

03:47SPEAKERYou know what I'm thankful for, Brad?

03:48SPEAKERWhat's that?

03:49SPEAKERI'm thankful that, well, you know what?

03:52SPEAKERThe tools used to produce podcasts and video have gotten really easy and inexpensive.

03:59SPEAKERDemocratized, you might say.

04:01SPEAKERI was trying not to say that, but yes.

04:03SPEAKERThey've been demon-

04:04SPEAKERSo-

04:05SPEAKERThey're available to everyone.

04:06SPEAKERYeah.

04:07SPEAKERWhen I started working, when I started at Whiskey Media in the start of 2010, we didn't

04:12SPEAKERhave a dedicated studio.

04:13SPEAKERI think you guys were producing video with just one capture box and-

04:17SPEAKERI think that's right.

04:18SPEAKERMaybe unplugging and plugging HDMI cables to change shots and stuff like that.

04:22SPEAKERYeah.

04:23SPEAKERI think that's right.

04:24SPEAKERSo we didn't have a video switcher.

04:25SPEAKERThe thing that we used to record podcasts was this huge mixer that you had to plug into

04:29SPEAKERa laptop and you basically had to have a dedicated space for it.

04:35SPEAKERYeah.

04:36SPEAKERWas that the one that was the size of a console?

04:37SPEAKERIt was the M-Audio one.

04:38SPEAKERI don't mean a video game console, but I mean-

04:39SPEAKERIt wasn't the Yamaha one.

04:41SPEAKERThat was later.

04:42SPEAKEROkay.

04:43SPEAKERIt was that long, skinny one with no knobs.

04:44SPEAKEROkay.

04:45SPEAKERThat was a little smaller, but still has an industrial look to it.

04:48SPEAKERWell, it was still like 300 bucks.

04:49SPEAKERNot consumer technology.

04:50SPEAKERExactly.

04:51SPEAKERYeah.

04:52SPEAKERIt was expensive.

04:53SPEAKERYeah.

04:54SPEAKERSome of the video stuff back then, a lot of the video capture and switching solutions

04:55SPEAKERwere tens of thousands of dollars.

04:58SPEAKERWhen we set up the basement on the front street office, the second office that I was in, not

05:03SPEAKERthe Sausalito one, but the one in San Francisco, I feel like we spent all in over the time

05:08SPEAKERwe were there, like a quarter of a million dollars on hardware.

05:10SPEAKERHoly cow.

05:11SPEAKERWow.

05:12SPEAKERI guess I would-

05:13SPEAKERProbably counting cameras and stuff too.

05:14SPEAKERYeah.

05:15SPEAKERI wasn't involved in those purchases, but I guess I would believe that that sounds astronomical

05:18SPEAKERto me.

05:19SPEAKERIt was.

05:20SPEAKERI mean, if we didn't, it's because Vinny was really good about figuring out the least expensive.

05:27SPEAKERHe's the kind of person I love to talk to about this stuff because he's like, "Well,

05:32SPEAKERhere's the way that NBC would do it.

05:34SPEAKERBut if you want to do it for five grand instead of a half a million dollars, here's what you

05:37SPEAKERdo."

05:38SPEAKERHe is very good at that stuff.

05:39SPEAKERWell, and the thing that's happened is, I'm looking at our podcast kit, which is two boxes,

05:46SPEAKERa power strip, and two headsets.

05:48SPEAKEREach of which, each box would fit in a pocket.

05:50SPEAKERI carry it in a tiny little duffel bag, a baby duffel bag.

05:54SPEAKERWe record with a Zoom H6, which for podcasters has revolutionized portable podcasting.

06:00SPEAKERIt's basically a four to six XLR recording device that records multiple independent audio

06:07SPEAKERtracks.

06:08SPEAKERI never heard of this thing before we started doing this and you showed up with it.

06:10SPEAKERI was like, "Wow, things got easier."

06:13SPEAKERIt's not perfect.

06:14SPEAKERThere's definitely issues with it because it's real fiddly depending on the type of

06:18SPEAKERmic you use and stuff like that, but it's eminently workable and it sounds as good as

06:25SPEAKERlike the big giant board once you work out the kinks.

06:28SPEAKERWhat do you think is in that thing, in terms of horsepower or compute?

06:32SPEAKERProbably a little ARM processor, I have to guess.

06:34SPEAKERI don't know.

06:35SPEAKERIs this just another one of the infinite examples of fast, cheap, low power processors making

06:40SPEAKEReverything better?

06:41SPEAKERYeah.

06:42SPEAKERWell, and also the dedicated audio, like the DACs and stuff like that have gotten inexpensive

06:47SPEAKERtoo.

06:48SPEAKERThey've trickled down from phones and so forth.

06:50SPEAKERYeah, probably.

06:52SPEAKERThat stuff was working its way with stereo's and iPods and stuff like that, it's been working

06:56SPEAKERthat direction for a long time.

06:57SPEAKERI feel like we should probably mention there's no product placement going on here or anything.

07:00SPEAKERThis is just a thing you bought and that we use.

07:02SPEAKERYeah.

07:03SPEAKERNo, that's exactly right.

07:04SPEAKERThey have not gotten in touch with us to talk about this thing or anything.

07:07SPEAKERI'm probably going to put links that include affiliate links in the show notes for this

07:10SPEAKERif you want to find out.

07:12SPEAKERFull disclosure, FTC, you're welcome.

07:14SPEAKERFair enough.

07:15SPEAKERYeah, so I don't think Zoom even says what the CPU is in that thing.

07:19SPEAKERAnd then the other box is just a headphone amplifier.

07:21SPEAKERSo the Zoom only has one headphone out.

07:24SPEAKERThe headphone amp splits that into four individual ones and the one we use is a Behringer HA400,

07:30SPEAKERwhich is literally a $20 12 volt headphone amp and it's quarter inch inputs and outputs.

07:38SPEAKERAnd it means we don't have to fool with adapters, which is what adds all the crackle to all

07:44SPEAKERof your recordings in my experience.

07:46SPEAKERAlso this whole setup we've got going here is what allowed me to be introduced to the

07:52SPEAKERconcept of having all the wires at like right angles to each other and stuff.

07:56SPEAKEROh yeah, it was just a whole weird world of best practices I was not aware of.

08:00SPEAKERYeah, this is asking me how we learned all this the hard way, because this is more or

08:04SPEAKERless the same setup we used for Still Entitled for a long time.

08:08SPEAKERAnd the thing that you learn is that the microphone cables have to cross power cables at right

08:15SPEAKERangles.

08:16SPEAKERBecause even though XLRs are pretty well shielded, you can get into situations - like you have

08:21SPEAKERa curly Q XLR on your - a cable on your headphones and that one, if it goes across a power, will

08:28SPEAKERpick up the little bit of hum, which we want to avoid.

08:31SPEAKERSo yeah, for like - this whole thing - the headsets - oh, the headsets are - let's see...

08:36SPEAKERHe's taking off his headset.

08:39SPEAKERSennheiser HMD 280s.

08:41SPEAKERSo H - Sennheiser's naming scheme, I think one of those letters HMD, I think it's H - the

08:48SPEAKERM means it has a microphone.

08:51SPEAKERAnd 280 is their like mid-range studio headphones, over-ear closed headphones.

08:57SPEAKERAnd then the microphone is just a decent super cardioid boom mic that sits right in front

09:01SPEAKERof you.

09:02SPEAKERThe stuff all seems quite good, you know?

09:03SPEAKERYeah.

09:04SPEAKERFor the money.

09:05SPEAKERAnd it fits - like I said, you can put it in a carry - it's like way small - it'll fit

09:09SPEAKERin the under seat.

09:10SPEAKERThe bag it goes in will fit under the seat on the airplane.

09:13SPEAKERThis kind of thing is probably - helps explain why everyone and their brother seems to have

09:17SPEAKERa podcast these days.

09:18SPEAKERYou don't even need - you just need a gaming headset for that, man.

09:21SPEAKERVery much, yeah.

09:22SPEAKERYeah.

09:23SPEAKERYeah, it's wild.

09:24SPEAKERRecording stuff, video capture stuff, I mean, I don't even know where it's at these days,

09:30SPEAKERbut I've got a - I've got a little Magewell doohickey that's just USB 3.

09:33SPEAKEROh, what does that do?

09:35SPEAKERIt's just HDMI in.

09:36SPEAKEROh, for your computer?

09:37SPEAKERYeah.

09:38SPEAKERCaptures uncompressed 1080p, 60 through HDMI, that's just a USB 3 dongle, but that stuff

09:43SPEAKERis just getting cheaper and smaller and easier to use all the time.

09:46SPEAKERSo since I delved into the game streaming a couple years ago because I wanted to not

09:52SPEAKERsave PUBG clips on my hard drive anymore because they were taking up too much space - it's

09:56SPEAKERbad reason to do this - yeah, I was amazed because, like I said, on the video side, with

10:04SPEAKERthe rise of open source software OBS and the offshoots like Slobs and Streamlabs OBS and

10:10SPEAKERall the other stuff, it's amazing.

10:12SPEAKERI have a reasonably - I have basically the same hardware you guys use to shoot quick

10:17SPEAKERlooks plus a camera because I don't think you did cameras, so yeah, you don't do faces.

10:24SPEAKERFor - I don't know, the capture card was like $200 and I got a camera instead of a webcam

10:29SPEAKERwhich was another 150, 200 bucks and it's all just there, it just works and then like

10:34SPEAKERlittle things like the stream deck - do you know what that is?

10:36SPEAKERYeah, the little keypad fiddly fingerboard thing.

10:40SPEAKERSo do you know what that is actually?

10:41SPEAKERI mean, it's programmable, right?

10:42SPEAKERWell yeah, so you can program it, you can put whatever pictures you want on the button.

10:47SPEAKERIt's all it is, is a little screen, an LCD touchscreen or an OLED touchscreen, I can't

10:51SPEAKERremember which, with clear keys on top and they partition it out where the keys are but

10:57SPEAKERyou can like, you can program really complicated macros and stuff on that now and even control

11:02SPEAKER- I think you can even control other computers, you might only be able to do that with an

11:05SPEAKERiPhone or iPad app, but like stuff like that gives you a lot of the flexibility you have

11:09SPEAKERwith like the big giant control board that you guys have a giant bomb but you know, a

11:14SPEAKERthing that sits on a normal human being's desk, so.

11:17SPEAKERCapture for the people.

11:18SPEAKERYeah, anybody can be a Twitch streamer, anybody can play video games on there, anybody can

11:21SPEAKERmake a podcast.

11:22SPEAKERJust expose everything about your entire life to -

11:25SPEAKERYeah, it's great.

11:26SPEAKERIt's the incredibly friendly environment on the internet.

11:27SPEAKERThe internet's terrific.

11:28SPEAKERNothing could go wrong.

11:29SPEAKERYeah, if you want to pitch your podcast to us, just please don't actually, but there's

11:35SPEAKERa lot of good resources for that.

11:37SPEAKERTotally.

11:38SPEAKERSo I'm thankful for the democratization of broadcasting technology, Brad.

11:42SPEAKERThat is one of the things I am thankful for.

11:43SPEAKERYou used the word.

11:44SPEAKERThis year.

11:45SPEAKERThat's a good one.

11:47SPEAKERWhat are you thankful for, Mr. Shoemaker?

11:50SPEAKERLet's say, how about on my list here, I've wrote down home automation.

11:55SPEAKEROh.

11:56SPEAKERAnd it's not perfect.

11:59SPEAKEROr even close to perfect.

12:00SPEAKERI have a lot of problems with it, actually.

12:03SPEAKERBut I feel like it's getting there to the point that I'm actually genuinely enjoying

12:06SPEAKERsome of the things it's enabling around the house now.

12:09SPEAKERWhat do you use home automation for in your house?

12:11SPEAKERNot a lot.

12:12SPEAKERI mean, it's like some lights for the most part.

12:15SPEAKERI bought like something else that could be incorporated into this topic is sort of cheaper

12:20SPEAKERknockoff versions of the really pricey home automation stuff that's out there.

12:25SPEAKERLike really what I'm actually saying is I'm just glad there are other companies trying

12:29SPEAKERto eat the Phillips Hughes lunch now.

12:32SPEAKEROh, well look.

12:33SPEAKERBecause that stuff is just astronomically priced.

12:35SPEAKERIt is incredibly over, like aggressively, offensively overpriced.

12:39SPEAKEROh my god.

12:40SPEAKERI've never bought a single, like I've eyeballed the Hughes stuff for years and I just can't.

12:44SPEAKERThey haven't reduced prices.

12:46SPEAKERLike LED light bulbs have gotten an order of magnitude or maybe two orders of magnitude

12:52SPEAKERless expensive in the time since they've been out.

12:54SPEAKERThree bucks?

12:55SPEAKERA couple weeks ago.

12:56SPEAKERYeah.

12:57SPEAKERLike you can get a connected bulb for $9 now.

12:58SPEAKEROh, like a Wi-Fi?

12:59SPEAKERLike a Cre-Connected.

13:00SPEAKERNo kidding.

13:01SPEAKERThose are Zigbee or Z-Wave.

13:02SPEAKERI can't remember which one, but usually you need a hub with those.

13:05SPEAKERBut yeah.

13:06SPEAKEROkay.

13:07SPEAKERBut they're unbelievably cheap.

13:09SPEAKERAnd then here's the Hue, $75 for two bulbs.

13:13SPEAKEREverything I've heard about the Hue makes it sound like it is probably the best item

13:17SPEAKERof that type on the market.

13:18SPEAKERI don't think so anymore.

13:19SPEAKEROr maybe not anymore.

13:20SPEAKERI think they were for a long time.

13:21SPEAKERSeems like for a long time that was the case.

13:22SPEAKERBut still not.

13:23SPEAKERMaybe not worth that kind of premium.

13:24SPEAKERYeah.

13:25SPEAKERLook, the colored lights that they do are really neat and kind of novel.

13:28SPEAKERI don't think they're necessary in any way at all.

13:32SPEAKERSo I have, let's see, I have three colored Hue bulbs, the Hue light strip, and a couple

13:38SPEAKERof the Hue Lux bulbs, the color temperature white ones.

13:43SPEAKERAnd they're really good, but they're not at all worth the price premium.

13:46SPEAKERYeah.

13:47SPEAKERNone of that is.

13:48SPEAKERSo part of what I'm thankful for is just that there are a bunch of no name versions of that

13:51SPEAKERstuff getting out there now for like a 10th of the price.

13:54SPEAKERLike I bought a pretty nice little USB, like it's a six foot LED light strip, kind of stuck

13:59SPEAKERit on the back of my desk.

14:00SPEAKERIt can be changed to any color with the Apple home app.

14:03SPEAKEROh, that's awesome.

14:04SPEAKERWow.

14:05SPEAKERIt works with Apple home?

14:06SPEAKERYeah.

14:07SPEAKERSurprisingly the brand, the brand on it is, I guess you say it, iHaper.

14:11SPEAKEROh yeah.

14:12SPEAKERIt's little.

14:13SPEAKEROh, have you seen that?

14:14SPEAKERYeah.

14:15SPEAKERLittle i, capital H, A-P-E-R.

14:16SPEAKERYeah.

14:17SPEAKERI assume it's out of Shenzhen or.

14:18SPEAKERIt's almost certainly.

14:19SPEAKERIt has to be.

14:20SPEAKERIt has to be powered, like does pretty much what I would have wanted out of the two stuff

14:24SPEAKERfor 25 bucks.

14:26SPEAKERThat's amazing.

14:27SPEAKEROf course you pointed out to me at one point that it was probably not like UL approved.

14:31SPEAKERI mean.

14:32SPEAKERI didn't look at the packaging, but I assume it doesn't burn my house down.

14:34SPEAKERSo here's the thing.

14:35SPEAKERIt's hard to burn a house down with a USB five volt, 500 milliamps.

14:40SPEAKERI did plug it into a decent, you know, accredited USB power brick.

14:45SPEAKERSo the place that the danger is, is in the, is in the AC to DC conversion.

14:50SPEAKERElectrical transformer type stuff.

14:52SPEAKERYeah.

14:53SPEAKEROkay.

14:54SPEAKERThat's my, I'm not an electrical engineer.

14:55SPEAKERThis is my understanding of this.

14:56SPEAKERI have this, had this explained to me that it's really hard to burn your house down with

14:59SPEAKERUSB.

15:00SPEAKERDon't trust anything here on this podcast, but we're pretty sure.

15:02SPEAKERI have killed a laptop with USB.

15:04SPEAKERWow.

15:05SPEAKERYeah.

15:06SPEAKERI blew up a laptop with a laptop motherboard with an Arduino breadboard one time.

15:09SPEAKERYikes.

15:10SPEAKERThat was expensive.

15:11SPEAKEROkay.

15:12SPEAKERI don't think there's anything that bespoke around here, but you know, we've got lights

15:16SPEAKERon timers around here, which is nice, especially with like daylight savings.

15:19SPEAKERYeah.

15:20SPEAKERJust kind of have a light come on.

15:21SPEAKERLike a dark house is not fun, right?

15:23SPEAKERIt sucks.

15:24SPEAKEREspecially like right at this moment when the time has just changed and like you're

15:27SPEAKERcoming home to just a, it's, it's got full dark.

15:31SPEAKERSo like coming home and having the lights all on when you get there is kind of a nice

15:34SPEAKERthing.

15:35SPEAKERWell, and for me, so we did, we did motion, I have motion sensors in the rooms that have

15:38SPEAKERlike foot traffic and put them in the bedrooms.

15:42SPEAKERBut yeah, like once I figured out, like the process of getting the home automation stuff

15:46SPEAKERin our house to work right was really interesting because it was, it was as much about me understanding

15:51SPEAKERhow we use our house as about figuring out the technology.

15:55SPEAKERLike I know that we have a bedtime routine for our daughter and once that happens, then

16:00SPEAKERher lights go off and we play music in her room and also we can turn off the lights in

16:05SPEAKERthe rooms that won't be used again until bedtime, like my bedroom.

16:10SPEAKERAnd like all that stuff happens automatically because I just say, Alexa, you know, it's

16:13SPEAKERbedtime for the kiddo and it runs a routine that does like 10 things, which is super awesome.

16:20SPEAKERI love that I leave the house and I know that I like, if I forgot to turn the light off,

16:24SPEAKERit's going to turn off as soon as I get 300 yards from the house, stuff like that.

16:29SPEAKERI'm into it.

16:30SPEAKERYeah, totally.

16:31SPEAKERIt's like, it's still like another, what, three, five years away from fully settling

16:35SPEAKERdown because there's still so many competing standards and like different power bricks

16:38SPEAKERsupport different ones.

16:40SPEAKERAnd I don't think it's ever going to, some of them are very unreliable.

16:44SPEAKERSo I've got a couple that are just chronically kind of disconnecting and reconnecting from

16:49SPEAKERthe wifi.

16:50SPEAKERLike they become unresponsive.

16:51SPEAKERI was going to say they're wifi ones, right?

16:52SPEAKERYeah.

16:53SPEAKERThat's the difference between the wifi stuff and like the Zigbee and Z-Wave stuff that's

16:57SPEAKERsold by Samsung smart things and Nest and the places that are backed by the giant multinational

17:03SPEAKERcompanies seems to be reliability.

17:06SPEAKERLike when I've had wifi light bulbs before they would disconnect and reconnect.

17:10SPEAKEREven like the old GE smart link bulbs were terrible and also the light they made was

17:16SPEAKERawful too.

17:17SPEAKERBut like you can get a pre-connected led dimmable smart bulb that works in any normal, what

17:25SPEAKERis it a 11 socket or eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, 69.

17:29SPEAKERI don't know which one.

17:30SPEAKERYeah.

17:31SPEAKERMaybe 15 might be the appliance.

17:33SPEAKERIt's the big screw in bulb that like 99% of your light bulbs are.

17:37SPEAKERYeah.

17:38SPEAKERNormalized light bulb.

17:39SPEAKERLike they, they, it just works.

17:40SPEAKERHow much are the crease?

17:41SPEAKERA good one, right?

17:42SPEAKERCrease are great.

17:43SPEAKERI think those are the kind of the highest rated reliability for basic led bulbs that

17:48SPEAKERI've seen.

17:49SPEAKERThose are the best price too.

17:50SPEAKERSo they make good light, which is why I buy them.

17:52SPEAKERThe price is like, I found them for as low as seven or eight dollars each.

17:56SPEAKERIf you buy a three pack for the connected ones, for the connected ones.

17:59SPEAKERWow.

18:00SPEAKERUsually I think they're like 15 bucks each, 20 bucks each a home Depot, a little bit much,

18:05SPEAKERbut we're getting there.

18:06SPEAKERWell, but they, I mean, they also are good for like a hundred thousand hours or something.

18:08SPEAKERSo like they're, you're not going to replace those bulbs.

18:11SPEAKERYeah.

18:12SPEAKERYeah.

18:13SPEAKERSo yeah.

18:14SPEAKERMaking stuff go around the house.

18:15SPEAKERIt's neat.

18:16SPEAKERDo you use it for anything else?

18:17SPEAKERDo you use like a, you have your coffee maker, anything hooked up to it?

18:18SPEAKERNo, nothing quite that ambitious yet, but like that's, that's more like owning a home type

18:21SPEAKERstuff around here.

18:24SPEAKERWe'll see.

18:25SPEAKERYeah.

18:26SPEAKERJust, just wait for the, wait for the recession and then I'm sure that'll jump.

18:28SPEAKERI'm sure that'll fix everything.

18:30SPEAKERIt's always my answer to everything.

18:32SPEAKERYeah.

18:33SPEAKERWhat else are you thankful for?

18:35SPEAKERYou know, I have a friend who works at Bose, which is a thing I never thought I would say,

18:40SPEAKERbut he introduced me to these.

18:43SPEAKERThey call them here phones.

18:45SPEAKERSo they're basically, they're noise connected headphones, but they have some, a little more

18:49SPEAKERprocessing power inside canceling headphones.

18:51SPEAKERNoise canceling.

18:52SPEAKERWhat did I say?

18:53SPEAKERConnected.

18:54SPEAKERNo.

18:55SPEAKERYeah.

18:56SPEAKERNo.

18:57SPEAKERYeah.

18:58SPEAKERNoise canceling headphones.

18:59SPEAKERBut they have do a little more processing power and they use the microphones that you

19:00SPEAKERuse for the noise canceling to like, let you magnify sound in a specific direction.

19:05SPEAKEROkay.

19:06SPEAKERSo like, well, not to, I don't want to get ahead of you.

19:07SPEAKERNo, no, go ahead.

19:08SPEAKERIs that the kind of thing that is starting to make its way into stuff like the AirPod

19:10SPEAKERpros that I'm seeing because they, Apple has some, some silly pithy name for that feature

19:15SPEAKERin the pros.

19:16SPEAKERAnd I can't remember exactly what it is, but it is, I think the similar, a similar kind

19:20SPEAKERof thing of kind of letting people who are talking to you come through.

19:22SPEAKERLive listen is what it's called or hearing.

19:24SPEAKERSo in the, at least in the original AirPods, it doesn't, it doesn't like, it doesn't magnify

19:30SPEAKERand amplify.

19:31SPEAKERYeah.

19:32SPEAKERSo this, these things actually, I mean, first the noise canceling is really good.

19:35SPEAKERThat's like, they're, they're in ear, they like rest on the, they rest on your ear.

19:40SPEAKERSo they don't block everything.

19:41SPEAKERI mean, you can, you can put cups on that will block everything, but they're not like

19:44SPEAKERthe ear canal buds that you have to jam all the way into your ear holes and they don't

19:48SPEAKERgo over your head.

19:49SPEAKERThey're really comfortable to wear for long periods.

19:51SPEAKERThey have like that little loop that goes inside the pinna of your ear.

19:56SPEAKERAnd they do great noise canceling.

19:57SPEAKERYou put them on the airplane, you don't hear anything, which is really all I give a shit

20:00SPEAKERabout the the, the, the, the noise, I can't really call it, but like the amplification

20:08SPEAKERbasically means that like, if you're in a bar and there's a lot of people talking around

20:12SPEAKERyou, or if you're on the airplane and the flight attendant comes up and says, Hey, what

20:14SPEAKERdo you want to drink?

20:15SPEAKERYou, you can say, I want this to just focus in directly in front of me.

20:19SPEAKERLike a 90 degree angle to the left and right, straight ahead.

20:23SPEAKERIt has directionality to it, dude.

20:25SPEAKERIt's amazing.

20:26SPEAKERLike that you can configure.

20:27SPEAKERYes.

20:28SPEAKERSo you can figure it on the app on your phone and you can like, if you were standing 20

20:31SPEAKERfeet away in your kitchen and whispering, I could make, I could turn it up enough and

20:35SPEAKERaim my head at you.

20:36SPEAKERAnd I would be able to hear what you were saying.

20:38SPEAKERYeah.

20:39SPEAKERIt's a little creepy.

20:40SPEAKERThat's some real kind of future spy, like James Bond tech kind of stuff.

20:44SPEAKERWell, well, so this came up because I like, my hearing is I have specific kinds of hearing

20:49SPEAKERproblems in that I'm, it's unclear to me whether it's a brain problem or an ear problem, but

20:54SPEAKERlike, I can't pick out people's, certain people's voices in crowded rooms at all.

20:59SPEAKERLike if your voice is in the same range, like you'd be fine because you have a deep voice,

21:03SPEAKERbut if your voice is in the same kind of frequency as like crowd murmur, ambient noise, I'm never

21:08SPEAKERgoing to be able to hear you no matter how loud you yell.

21:11SPEAKERSo he was like, you should try these.

21:12SPEAKERAnd he gave them to me at this conference we were at and I used them for a couple of

21:14SPEAKERdays.

21:15SPEAKERAnd I was like, I would like to buy up some of these.

21:16SPEAKERAnd he's like, well, so here you go.

21:17SPEAKERAnd he gave me his discount, which was really cool, but but yeah, they're neat.

21:22SPEAKERI like them a lot.

21:25SPEAKERThey're called Bose Hearphones.

21:26SPEAKERThey're like $500.

21:27SPEAKERSo they are way, way, way expensive.

21:30SPEAKERNo offense to any Bose fans out there, but like their stuff seems nice, but also Bose

21:36SPEAKERequipment kind of seems like the fill a queue of the audio world.

21:39SPEAKERI got a significant discount on that and felt like it was still pretty expensive.

21:44SPEAKERThey are the nicest pair of like, like they, they, they don't, they don't sound the best,

21:51SPEAKERbut the noise canceling and the amplification stuff is magic.

21:53SPEAKERYeah.

21:54SPEAKERThe full disclosure of the one Bose product I own is I can't remember what the model is,

21:58SPEAKERbut probably about five years ago I bought the noise canceling earbuds.

22:02SPEAKERThere are newer models out from them now.

22:04SPEAKERYeah.

22:05SPEAKERThey're the little, just the in ear ones, but they were the ones that Wirecutter recommended

22:08SPEAKERas like, cause they did pretty specific, like kind of oral tests on like exactly how well

22:13SPEAKERthe noise canceling worked and they're like, okay, this blocks the most.

22:16SPEAKERLauren Dragon over there, Dragon, I don't know how you say her last name, is fabulous.

22:20SPEAKERHer headphone reviews are tremendous.

22:22SPEAKERI can't get through a flight without them anymore.

22:25SPEAKERLike if I were to ever forget them when I went to the airport, I would, I mean, being

22:29SPEAKERhyperbolic here, I wouldn't actually turn around and miss my flight, but I would be

22:33SPEAKERincredibly sad.

22:34SPEAKERLike I've thought about, I mean, yeah, it's, it's like, you just don't understand how

22:38SPEAKERmuch more peaceful that experience is until you block out that, that drone.

22:42SPEAKERIt's it's, you know, 2016, 2017, 2018, I spent a ton of time on airplanes and it made such

22:48SPEAKERa huge difference having like, you, you feel way more, there's a feeling when you get off

22:54SPEAKERthe airplane where you just feel exhausted, even if it was just like a 90 minute flight

22:57SPEAKERand like you did nothing else unusual that day.

23:01SPEAKERAnd it helps.

23:02SPEAKERIt helps.

23:03SPEAKERIt's just the kind of the other kind of mental drag that you accumulate on a plane to just,

23:06SPEAKERyeah.

23:07SPEAKERIt brings that whole thing down a little bit.

23:10SPEAKERAll right.

23:12SPEAKERHow about, all right, you're ready for the most exciting item on this entire list.

23:16SPEAKERHit me.

23:17SPEAKERI have written down the ease of installing windows.

23:19SPEAKEROh yeah.

23:20SPEAKERI can see that.

23:21SPEAKERCause I just did a reinstall like a month ago or something.

23:25SPEAKERAnd you know, this is a very specific category of people that spent a lot of time reinstalling

23:31SPEAKERwindows, let's say in the nineties, but that process has gotten so easy and so fast now,

23:37SPEAKERlike it's just like, I used to think of that as a, as a half the day or all day task practically.

23:44SPEAKERWell, so now the thing for me is that it's like, it takes 20 minutes to reinstall windows

23:48SPEAKERand then like six hours to get everything back.

23:50SPEAKERYes.

23:51SPEAKERYes.

23:52SPEAKERThere's a lot of customization that has to happen.

23:53SPEAKERBut I built a new computer this summer and I hadn't done a windows install.

23:57SPEAKERI think my last windows install lasted the entire life of that motherboard, which has

24:01SPEAKERnever happened before.

24:02SPEAKERYeah, it has gotten, I usually go like a good couple of years at least now before I really

24:07SPEAKERstart feeling like the cruft is too much to deal with.

24:09SPEAKERIt used to be like, you could install a bad driver update and you're like, oh shit, well

24:13SPEAKERnow I got to reinstall windows.

24:14SPEAKERTime to burn another afternoon on this for the sixth time.

24:17SPEAKERBut yeah, it's much better process now.

24:20SPEAKERLike the, like not having to have installation media around, I feel like it's huge.

24:23SPEAKERI mean, some of this is just like how Microsoft has changed and gotten better as a company.

24:27SPEAKERI feel like since Nadella took over.

24:29SPEAKERDid you have to call and give them your number?

24:31SPEAKERI don't think I ever had to do that whole like change.

24:34SPEAKERYou're talking about like changing motherboards.

24:35SPEAKERYeah, if you change too many pieces of hardware in this PC that you don't think that I'm legitimately

24:40SPEAKERusing windows anymore.

24:41SPEAKERNo.

24:42SPEAKERIt's like, did you actually have to talk to a person?

24:43SPEAKERNo, I had to, I had to put the code back in and match the reactivate button and then it

24:48SPEAKERpopped up a prompt that was like, what hardware have you changed or have you changed hardware

24:52SPEAKERin this machine lately?

24:53SPEAKERAnd you said yes.

24:54SPEAKERAnd they were like, okay, you're activated.

24:56SPEAKEROkay.

24:57SPEAKERSo not actually that big a deal.

24:58SPEAKERNo, it was, I was thrilled because I expected to have to call somebody with like a terrible

25:01SPEAKERVoIP connection to the other part of the, some of the halfway around the world and then

25:05SPEAKERread 75 numbers to them or something ridiculous.

25:08SPEAKERBut I didn't.

25:09SPEAKERIt was nice.

25:10SPEAKERYeah.

25:11SPEAKERI mean, they do still track that stuff.

25:12SPEAKERIf you go into your Microsoft account and look at your devices, you'll still see like

25:14SPEAKERthe motherboard you have your windows license tied to listed there.

25:16SPEAKERReally?

25:17SPEAKEROh yeah.

25:18SPEAKEROh, I didn't know that.

25:19SPEAKERThey still like, they still name your PC on your list of devices after the motherboard

25:22SPEAKERthat's in it.

25:23SPEAKERFarnsworth one, Farnsworth two and Farnsworth three.

25:25SPEAKERYes.

25:26SPEAKERWow.

25:27SPEAKERBut like not having to keep like a, an installation CD around, you know, like it takes five minutes

25:31SPEAKERto go download the image from them and write it to an installer and like, I just, the speed

25:40SPEAKERof the installation process itself is like, especially like I'm running off an NVMe drive

25:45SPEAKERfor my assistant drive now, which is probably overkill for that purpose.

25:48SPEAKERBut no, I wanted the absolute fastest thing.

25:51SPEAKERIt speeds your boot time.

25:52SPEAKERYeah.

25:53SPEAKERNVMe will boot faster.

25:54SPEAKERI don't like the, uh, installing from a USB three storage device to that insanely fast

25:58SPEAKERdrive.

25:59SPEAKERLike I barely have time to get my phone out and like pull up Twitter and look at it for

26:03SPEAKERmore than 90 seconds.

26:04SPEAKERAnd like the installation is done and it's like booting into actual right.

26:07SPEAKERReal windows.

26:08SPEAKERLike it's insanity.

26:09SPEAKERCan I just say, I don't, the thing I don't like about this whole process is like every

26:13SPEAKERtime it does one of the big, like the half year patches to windows 10 and it, and it's

26:19SPEAKERlike, don't worry.

26:21SPEAKERWe've got your data.

26:22SPEAKERYeah.

26:23SPEAKERI fucking hate their attempts at being human.

26:25SPEAKERYeah.

26:26SPEAKERNo, they shouldn't.

26:27SPEAKERHello.

26:28SPEAKEREverything's right where you left it.

26:29SPEAKERNo, no.

26:30SPEAKERYou look, I don't care.

26:31SPEAKERYou don't want you to even think about that.

26:33SPEAKERYou don't have to communicate this to me, but Microsoft, I feel like Microsoft in general

26:36SPEAKERhas gotten so much better as a company in the last few years, but there are attempts

26:39SPEAKERat being Apple are more than a little greeting.

26:43SPEAKERApple's attempts are grading.

26:44SPEAKERSo there's an Apple is not as good at being Apple as it used to be that.

26:49SPEAKERAnd then the other thing that I, it makes me crazy is when you, the rare blue screens

26:53SPEAKERyou get, it has that QR code there and a big frowny face and a big frowny face.

26:59SPEAKERFuck.

27:00SPEAKERThe frowny face is fine.

27:01SPEAKERI don't, I'm not going to get into the frowny face being lame, but the QR code just goes

27:07SPEAKERto a generic page.

27:08SPEAKERYes.

27:09SPEAKERThat's so your computer has crashed.

27:11SPEAKERHere's some stuff.

27:12SPEAKERLike those, they have error messages there.

27:15SPEAKERWhy aren't the QR codes unique for their message?

27:18SPEAKERStuff is you knowledge bases are useless.

27:20SPEAKERThe knowledge base used to be really good and it's gotten progressively worse ever since

27:23SPEAKERthey launched Bing.

27:24SPEAKERI, anyway, this is what we're thankful for.

27:26SPEAKERI'm not thankful.

27:27SPEAKERThis week is the anti-thankful awards.

27:29SPEAKERRight.

27:30SPEAKERHere's everything we hate.

27:31SPEAKERHere's everything we're not thankful for.

27:32SPEAKERThe knowledge base has been replaced by Stack Overflow.

27:34SPEAKERGosh, basically.

27:35SPEAKERI have thoughts about Stack, we'll get into Stack Overflow next time.

27:40SPEAKERYeah.

27:41SPEAKERYeah.

27:42SPEAKERI feel like, I feel like Windows, I mean, Windows 10, they've kind of mucked up off

27:48SPEAKERand on.

27:49SPEAKERYou think?

27:50SPEAKERYeah.

27:51SPEAKERThey've, they've deleted people's data and some stuff like that.

27:53SPEAKERI mean, sure.

27:54SPEAKERYes.

27:55SPEAKERThere have been some big mistakes.

27:56SPEAKERThere have been some pretty rough bugs.

27:57SPEAKERYeah.

27:58SPEAKERBut I feel like they're, they're on an up cycle right now.

28:01SPEAKERRight?

28:02SPEAKERLike Windows has really been kind of like, on like one on one off for a while.

28:05SPEAKERLike

28:06SPEAKERYeah.

28:07SPEAKERI mean, I think people who got their data deleted by 1903 or whatever it was, or 18,

28:13SPEAKER1811.

28:14SPEAKERYeah, sure.

28:15SPEAKERProbably would feel like this is a pretty down cycle.

28:17SPEAKERYeah, you're right.

28:18SPEAKERBut I mean, like by and large XP was good.

28:21SPEAKERVista was bad.

28:22SPEAKERSeven was good.

28:23SPEAKEREight was bad.

28:24SPEAKERNow 10 is good.

28:25SPEAKERI mean, XP was, XP SP one was, SP two was pretty good.

28:28SPEAKERYeah.

28:29SPEAKERThat's yeah.

28:30SPEAKERYeah.

28:31SPEAKERYeah.

28:32SPEAKERXP was an up Windows.

28:33SPEAKERI can get behind that, I guess.

28:36SPEAKERI feel like, I feel like there are, I feel like 10 has overall, like compared and contrasted

28:42SPEAKERwith say Adobe, where they change everybody to a subscription model, charge them every

28:48SPEAKERyear and then barely do anything.

28:49SPEAKERIt seems like some years this year, I, who knows what changed.

28:53SPEAKERYeah.

28:55SPEAKERThe windows 10 thing has largely been good.

28:57SPEAKERYeah.

28:58SPEAKERAnd they've practically gone the OS 10 route at this point.

29:01SPEAKERRight.

29:02SPEAKERI mean, it's not literally free, but I feel like windows is, I, you can kind of just get

29:06SPEAKERit right at this point.

29:07SPEAKERWell, so you can download, you can install it like, I know you can like sort of trial

29:10SPEAKERit for quite a while.

29:11SPEAKERI think now I forget exactly how they're handling all that stuff.

29:14SPEAKERSo I think, I mean, we're, we're, we're a long way from the days when like a good version

29:17SPEAKERof windows was several bucks, several hundred dollars.

29:20SPEAKERYeah.

29:21SPEAKERThat's what I mean.

29:22SPEAKERAnd I knew windows for his computer because he's keeping the old one up and it was, it

29:26SPEAKERwas an OEM build.

29:27SPEAKERSo he couldn't transfer his license over and it was like a hundred bucks.

29:31SPEAKEROkay.

29:32SPEAKERFor the good one for pro.

29:33SPEAKERNo, he only got you.

29:34SPEAKERThe thing is you don't need pro anymore.

29:36SPEAKERPro has domain features, like it's domain features and bit locker.

29:39SPEAKEROkay.

29:40SPEAKERSo unless you're whole encrypting your hard drive or connecting to a domain, you really

29:43SPEAKERdon't need pro.

29:44SPEAKERInteresting.

29:45SPEAKEROkay.

29:46SPEAKERLike I went down the feature list for them.

29:47SPEAKERI was like, I don't think you need any of this stuff.

29:48SPEAKERIt's not worth an extra hundred.

29:49SPEAKERYeah.

29:50SPEAKEROkay.

29:51SPEAKERAnd you know, it's not insignificant.

29:53SPEAKERYeah.

29:54SPEAKERWell, you can always upgrade if you want.

29:55SPEAKERYeah.

29:56SPEAKERYou can always like hit the button later and add it, add it in.

29:57SPEAKERBut what I mean is like, it's not exactly free windows 10 is not exactly OS 10 in terms

30:02SPEAKERof how easily attained it is, but you pay for OS 10 when you buy the hardware.

30:07SPEAKERYeah.

30:08SPEAKERYeah.

30:09SPEAKERLike I'm buying it.

30:10SPEAKERLike I think when you, if you build a new computer, you're keeping your old one around,

30:12SPEAKERyou put windows 10 on it, you buy windows 10 then, and then you just move that to every

30:16SPEAKERcomputer down the line.

30:18SPEAKERYeah.

30:19SPEAKERAssuming, you know, I have two active windows 10 licenses in my house.

30:21SPEAKERI mean, don't get me wrong.

30:22SPEAKERIt's not perfect.

30:23SPEAKERAs somebody who's fighting for the last, since I reinstalled, it's been fighting to try to

30:28SPEAKERmake sure my networks drive, stay connected every time I reboot.

30:30SPEAKERLike it's got, it's got its issues, but it's generally just so much better than it used

30:35SPEAKERto be from, from the moment of installing or downloading the install media to getting

30:40SPEAKERit, you know, configured, customized, all that stuff.

30:43SPEAKERLike it just is so much more pleasant than it used to be.

30:45SPEAKERNot having to put boot sectors on a CD.

30:48SPEAKERYeah.

30:49SPEAKERI'm glad I never have to do that.

30:50SPEAKERNever the last time I installed motherboard specific drivers for anything.

30:54SPEAKERWell, you should still do that.

30:56SPEAKERYeah.

30:57SPEAKERCause the Microsoft ones aren't as good as the manufacturer ones.

31:00SPEAKERYou should at least install the Intel chipset driver.

31:02SPEAKERI may.

31:03SPEAKERI think I might've done it.

31:04SPEAKERThat'll make your stuff.

31:05SPEAKERLike if your, if your stuff isn't sleeping, this rolls right into your next problem, your

31:09SPEAKERnext pick.

31:10SPEAKERYeah.

31:11SPEAKERIf your stuff isn't sleeping right, then there are like that, that's almost always the Microsoft

31:17SPEAKERdriver not doing the thing that it's supposed to do.

31:19SPEAKERI, my, my, my habit is just to go look at device manager after I install windows and

31:24SPEAKERif anything is, if anything is unidentified or has a little yellow flag on it, I'm like,

31:27SPEAKERall right, I should go find a driver.

31:28SPEAKERBut if everything is recognized, I'm like, that's fine.

31:31SPEAKEROkay.

31:32SPEAKERYou install your chipset driver, you install your network drivers, you install your, if

31:34SPEAKERyou have Bluetooth, Bluetooth, you install the USB driver, you install the graphics card

31:39SPEAKERdriver.

31:40SPEAKERMaybe sound.

31:41SPEAKERThis doesn't sound very plug and play to me.

31:42SPEAKERIt is not at all plug and play.

31:44SPEAKERJust computers.

31:45SPEAKERLook, plug and play is a lie, Brad.

31:47SPEAKERI hope, uh, anyway, well, so what's your next thing on the list?

31:50SPEAKERPlug and play is another thing I wrote down on this list, but, all right, tell me why

31:55SPEAKERit's bullshit.

31:56SPEAKERNo, tell me why you like it.

31:57SPEAKERThis is a positive podcast.

31:58SPEAKERThis isn't about my meat grouse because I had started on windows three, one.

32:02SPEAKEROkay.

32:03SPEAKERThat's fair.

32:04SPEAKERDOS six, two or whatever.

32:05SPEAKERWe're having to manually select the IRQ.

32:07SPEAKERYeah.

32:08SPEAKERWe've talked about modem and it strings and requests and direct memory access.

32:12SPEAKERAnd okay.

32:13SPEAKERSo, so plug and play started with like what USB and windows 98 probably sure.

32:18SPEAKEROh, SR two.

32:19SPEAKERI think they, I mean, it wasn't that, that was like a backup box feature in windows 95,

32:22SPEAKERright?

32:23SPEAKEROh, SR two only.

32:24SPEAKERWas it?

32:25SPEAKERNo USB support in windows 95.

32:26SPEAKERNo, not USB.

32:27SPEAKERI mean like plug and play quote unquote.

32:28SPEAKERIt was marketing.

32:29SPEAKERThat was a marketing.

32:30SPEAKERThat was super duper a lie.

32:31SPEAKERWindows 95 plug.

32:32SPEAKERThat plug and play initiative was Intel, Microsoft, and somebody else.

32:36SPEAKERI can't remember.

32:37SPEAKERBut they got that rolling stone song.

32:38SPEAKERWhat are you, how can it start me up?

32:40SPEAKERHow could that be a lot?

32:41SPEAKERThat's because of the start button.

32:42SPEAKERNo, I don't know.

32:43SPEAKERI'm just saying, I'm just saying that whole launch was so festive and upbeat.

32:47SPEAKERSo none of that was bullshit.

32:50SPEAKEROverall plug and play is good.

32:53SPEAKERLike when plug and play works terrific.

32:55SPEAKERIt's great.

32:56SPEAKERFor example, when you reinstall windows and all the stuff on your motherboard just works

33:00SPEAKERor when I take this, this like at $15 memory card reader that we use to copy the files

33:05SPEAKERonto your hard drive.

33:07SPEAKERYeah.

33:08SPEAKERLike that's probably the real actual example is yeah.

33:09SPEAKERLike that little card reader you've got in your hand and like my, I've got a little no

33:12SPEAKERname Bluetooth dongle.

33:14SPEAKEROr like a USB headset.

33:16SPEAKERUsually you don't need drivers for USB audio and even some camera devices.

33:21SPEAKERThat may as well, HDMI capture, USB3 capture device I was talking about.

33:25SPEAKERNo drivers.

33:26SPEAKERIt just plugs it in and windows just sees it as a capture device.

33:29SPEAKERSo establishing guidelines for generic versions of all the drive, like blue microphones, all

33:34SPEAKERthis stuff.

33:35SPEAKERSuper duper good.

33:36SPEAKERHuge.

33:37SPEAKERYeah.

33:38SPEAKERReally, really good.

33:39SPEAKERReally useful.

33:40SPEAKERWay better.

33:41SPEAKERLess of a concern, but back in the day when you have to like dial in and download a three

33:46SPEAKERmegabyte driver would take you an hour to download, like it was a big deal to not have

33:51SPEAKERto do that stuff.

33:52SPEAKERYou have to fish out a floppy and format it and make a boot disk.

33:55SPEAKERGet one of those little tiny, remember those little like half size CDs.

33:59SPEAKERYeah.

34:00SPEAKERThose were good.

34:01SPEAKERYeah.

34:02SPEAKERAnyway.

34:03SPEAKERI don't like plug and play because when it doesn't work, it's really, really hard to

34:05SPEAKERtroubleshoot now.

34:06SPEAKERIs that because it doesn't expose as much of the process?

34:08SPEAKERIt's more of a black box than it used to be?

34:10SPEAKERYeah.

34:11SPEAKERI think we talked about this earlier, but when I was having trouble with too many USB

34:15SPEAKERdevices on my USB 3.1 chains, it's because they only addressed like the original version

34:21SPEAKERof USB 3.1 only let you put 120 something devices on.

34:27SPEAKERAnd if you're talking about, say, devices that have lots of composite devices like USB

34:32SPEAKERaudio mixers, which each channel has as its own device and VR headsets where there's a

34:39SPEAKERcamera and IMUs and Bluetooth radios and all this other stuff in those devices.

34:44SPEAKERYou're boned.

34:45SPEAKERYeah.

34:46SPEAKERBecause there's no nowhere in windows that I could find.

34:49SPEAKERIs there a, here, Hey dummy, you have 129 things connected to this chain.

34:54SPEAKERSo the first one that connects is going to get kicked off for no apparent reason.

34:57SPEAKERWow.

34:58SPEAKERIs that really how it works?

34:59SPEAKEREvery time you play.

35:00SPEAKEROh, it was great.

35:01SPEAKERThe first one is the one that gets moved?

35:02SPEAKERIt's either the first one or the last one.

35:03SPEAKERI can't remember.

35:04SPEAKEROh wow.

35:05SPEAKERThat's wild.

35:06SPEAKERIt was like, I called friends at motherboard manufacturers.

35:07SPEAKERMan, your USB drivers are garbage.

35:10SPEAKERNot only should you not have to do that, but most people don't have friends of other manufacturers.

35:14SPEAKERNo.

35:15SPEAKERYeah.

35:16SPEAKERThat's so yeah.

35:17SPEAKERShout out to JJ at Asus.

35:18SPEAKERHe helped me figure that out.

35:19SPEAKERA lot of quirks and idiosyncrasies in this stuff out there.

35:21SPEAKERLike the, the Bluetooth, the USB two Bluetooth dongle that I have, apparently I found out

35:25SPEAKERafter some searching can't be plugged into USB three port, despite the ports supposedly,

35:31SPEAKERyou know, going into the fallback mode for whatever reason, the polling on that, on the

35:37SPEAKERUSB three port is still too high for that dongle to deal with and it like screws up

35:41SPEAKERthe sink or something.

35:42SPEAKERWow.

35:43SPEAKERIt's like it literally is expecting exactly the rate of polling or whatever the USB two

35:48SPEAKERport is going to give it.

35:49SPEAKERSo you can't put it in.

35:50SPEAKERYeah.

35:51SPEAKEREsoteric search string.

35:52SPEAKERDid you have to put it in to figure that out?

35:53SPEAKERI've probably ended up on stack overflow again.

35:55SPEAKERI can't remember stack overflow used to be bad.

35:58SPEAKERNow it's good.

35:59SPEAKERRight?

36:00SPEAKERYeah.

36:01SPEAKERThat's been my general.

36:02SPEAKERYeah.

36:03SPEAKERExperience.

36:04SPEAKERYeah.

36:05SPEAKERI've been doing a lot of Unix stuff, but I don't know.

36:06SPEAKERI feel like the theme of my list is like a better, but still not amazing.

36:10SPEAKERI mean, so the, one of the things that I think about a lot is that we've seen massive, you

36:15SPEAKERknow, like we've reached a point where the phone in my pocket is an order of magnitude

36:20SPEAKERmore powerful than my computer was this time, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, and maybe, maybe

36:26SPEAKERequivalent to 10 years ago, but things, things probably they do more, but they don't necessarily

36:33SPEAKERwork better.

36:34SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

36:35SPEAKERHow do you mean?

36:36SPEAKERSo like, like I can take much better pictures and video now than I could this time 10 years

36:41SPEAKERago, but I mean, coming up on the end of the decade, I guess we should, this is the time

36:46SPEAKERto think about this stuff, but like my computer is not, I mean, I would get a couple of crashes

36:53SPEAKERa month, big crashes a month, right?

36:55SPEAKERStill see a couple of big crashes a month.

36:56SPEAKEROkay.

36:57SPEAKERSure.

36:58SPEAKERLike the more we do with the technology, the, the more new innovative ways for it to not

37:02SPEAKERwork right and the more time, I think I probably spend as much time fixing stuff now as I did

37:07SPEAKERthis time, 10 years ago.

37:08SPEAKERSo you basically say things are getting iteratively better, but still kind of, I'm not getting

37:13SPEAKERany more time back, right?

37:15SPEAKERLike it's a difference of degree, not of kind, like the, the, the basic computing, computing

37:20SPEAKERexperience, the end user experience is more or less what it was like.

37:23SPEAKERYeah.

37:24SPEAKERI think that's fair.

37:25SPEAKERThe games look better.

37:26SPEAKERYour pictures look better.

37:27SPEAKERYeah.

37:28SPEAKERThe monitor is bigger and higher resolution.

37:29SPEAKERMaybe, well, maybe for most of us, maybe yours are, how's that monitor going?

37:33SPEAKERI noticed you'd have any monitors on your list, still checking, still checking those

37:36SPEAKERpress releases.

37:37SPEAKERBut I get it.

37:38SPEAKERYou know, like, you know, like the music is the compressed music is less compressed, you

37:42SPEAKERknow, like, yeah, the files are smaller, all of the of things is, you know, the drives

37:47SPEAKERare bigger and cheaper.

37:48SPEAKERI have an enormous, I have every disc I've ever bought with a movie on it.

37:51SPEAKERIt's all stored on a Plex server in my garage.

37:53SPEAKERI can watch them all anywhere in the world.

37:55SPEAKERInstantly.

37:56SPEAKERYeah.

37:57SPEAKERI spend so much time fucking with that.

37:59SPEAKERIt's astounding.

38:00SPEAKERYeah.

38:01SPEAKERSame.

38:02SPEAKERAnd then don't actually really use it for anything.

38:03SPEAKEROh, mine gets used a lot.

38:04SPEAKERYeah.

38:05SPEAKERCan we talk about streaming games?

38:10SPEAKERSure.

38:11SPEAKERPerhaps not like the audience might think.

38:14SPEAKERYou mean?

38:15SPEAKERWell, I mean, it's Stadia launch week.

38:16SPEAKERThat's true.

38:17SPEAKEROkay.

38:18SPEAKERMaybe they're not like that at all.

38:19SPEAKERMaybe they are thinking about it.

38:20SPEAKERI haven't spent any, I've spent like 10 minutes noodling with that thing.

38:23SPEAKERIt seems okay.

38:24SPEAKEROh, you've got access to it?

38:25SPEAKERI've got access to it at the test office at norm head.

38:28SPEAKERThere's they sent them.

38:29SPEAKERIt seems neat.

38:30SPEAKERI got to, I also got to try it for like 90 seconds and just like with the X cloud stuff

38:35SPEAKERthat I tried a few months ago, like I was kind of shocked at the lack of latency.

38:38SPEAKERYeah.

38:39SPEAKERI played mortal combat and I was able to like get hits and blocks and stuff.

38:42SPEAKERIf you really pay attention and I played some destiny, which I've got plenty of experience

38:45SPEAKERplaying locally and if you really stop and pay attention, you can notice it.

38:50SPEAKERBut inside of, yeah, like I said, 90 seconds or something, I kind of wasn't thinking about

38:54SPEAKERit feeling off anymore.

38:56SPEAKERI think your brain just adjust.

38:57SPEAKERIt's kind of remarkable how that's the thing I was the most skeptical of was, was feedback

39:02SPEAKERand latency and control precision and stuff.

39:04SPEAKERBut really I feel like the, from what I've seen, like the quality of the video compression

39:09SPEAKERis a bigger deal than the actual feel of the controls.

39:12SPEAKERYeah.

39:13SPEAKERThe thing that, yeah, that, that seems right.

39:15SPEAKERThe video compression problems didn't seem like as big a problem on the phone as they

39:18SPEAKERwould on the TV.

39:19SPEAKERThat's not to say the video impression is a big deal.

39:21SPEAKERIt's more to say like the latency really kind of isn't.

39:23SPEAKERWell the thing is crazy.

39:24SPEAKERBut anyway, like I, I don't know, we're kind of talking around your real focus here.

39:30SPEAKERStreaming in the house is really awesome.

39:32SPEAKERLike I, I have a small house, but I have a couple of TVs set up all over and I have one

39:35SPEAKERgiant PC in my office that has a huge video card and a big CPU and it's awesome for playing

39:41SPEAKERgames on.

39:43SPEAKERBut after I sit in that desk all day working, I don't always want to sit and play video

39:47SPEAKERgames there for another two or three hours at night.

39:50SPEAKERAnd being able to get a, I think at one point they were like $4 or now they're an app on

39:55SPEAKERyour TV.

39:56SPEAKERIf you have a newer TV or an Apple TV or something like that, or on your phone, being able to

40:01SPEAKERstream games from that giant PC into the other room or from the PS4 to a PC or whatever.

40:06SPEAKERIt's awesome.

40:07SPEAKERI love it.

40:08SPEAKERI was playing Outer Worlds last night, which is a terrible example because it actually

40:11SPEAKERdoesn't TV particularly well.

40:14SPEAKERThe font size?

40:15SPEAKERThe fonts are terrible.

40:16SPEAKERThat is a separate issue.

40:17SPEAKERBut like I was laying in bed playing Outer Worlds and that's awesome.

40:20SPEAKERI love that.

40:21SPEAKERAre you on a physical Steam link?

40:22SPEAKERSo that one is a physical Steam link because it's an older TV.

40:26SPEAKERBut yeah, it's rad.

40:28SPEAKERThere seems to be a small but very devoted following for that thing.

40:33SPEAKERThere's a very active subreddit for Steam OS stuff, which is I think where there's a

40:38SPEAKERSteam link subreddit as well, but the Steam OS one is where the good info is.

40:42SPEAKERIs it even snappier than what you've seen of remote stuff like Stadia in the little

40:47SPEAKERbit of time you've gotten to try that?

40:48SPEAKERI would think over your own land with, I mean, you're literally talking like tens of feet

40:53SPEAKERof ethernet, right?

40:54SPEAKERLike you're not that far away from the source.

40:55SPEAKERSo that one's actually over wifi.

40:57SPEAKEROh, really?

40:58SPEAKERSo yeah, the box, I think those boxes shipped 802.11n, but they had 802.11ac radios.

41:04SPEAKERAnd when it connects to ac, it connects to ac now and it seems like it's much, much better.

41:10SPEAKERI yeah, I think it's really good.

41:12SPEAKERI think it's like there, it used to be that you couldn't play Spelunky on it.

41:17SPEAKERNow you can.

41:18SPEAKERI don't know what devilry has changed.

41:20SPEAKERIt could just be that the video, the hardware video stuff on the video cards gotten better.

41:24SPEAKERCause I think when I got the, the link, the steam link, I probably had a 980, which I

41:29SPEAKERdon't think had the dedicated H.264 compression stuff.

41:33SPEAKERAnd I feel like Nvidia has definitely gotten better with that over the last couple of generations,

41:37SPEAKERbut yeah, it, it just works.

41:39SPEAKERLike I play my, my, we play Lego, the Incredibles and Lego games with my kid in the living room.

41:45SPEAKERI play games that I want to play when I'm laying in bed and I'm not able to go to sleep.

41:48SPEAKERAnd, and, and I can do it by phone now too.

41:52SPEAKERAnd you don't feel like you're missing anything in terms of experience overall video quality

41:57SPEAKERcontrol responsiveness.

41:58SPEAKERLike, is it, would you, would you say it's basically just as good?

42:01SPEAKERSo I wouldn't, I don't think I would, I don't really play fighting games, but if I did,

42:04SPEAKERI don't think I would try to play like that kind of game.

42:08SPEAKERSpelunky is a really time to time timing dependent game.

42:10SPEAKERAnd I played a lot of Spelunky over it and it works just fine.

42:13SPEAKERAnd then they added the, the local, like the couch couch game streaming thing a couple

42:19SPEAKERof weeks ago, which I don't know if you've used yet.

42:21SPEAKEROh, is that out?

42:22SPEAKEROh yeah.

42:23SPEAKERI saw, I saw they announced it.

42:24SPEAKERIt's rad.

42:25SPEAKEROkay.

42:26SPEAKERI was able to play it.

42:27SPEAKERSo like Heave Ho is a game that doesn't have internet multiplayer.

42:28SPEAKERIt's a hilarious game.

42:30SPEAKERI played that with some friends a couple of weeks.

42:31SPEAKERI put it on the extra live stream actually with three of us in Austin and LA and San

42:36SPEAKERFrancisco.

42:37SPEAKERAnd we were able to play with, you know, voice and discord and, and the game and it worked

42:41SPEAKERpretty well.

42:42SPEAKERThat's cool.

42:43SPEAKERUm, I think we even, we, we tried, um, uh, samurai gun and some other like twiggy, like

42:48SPEAKERI don't think I would try knit hog probably a little too Twitch.

42:52SPEAKERIt's a little too fast.

42:53SPEAKERYeah.

42:54SPEAKERI think the host advantage is real.

42:55SPEAKERThe games don't have to support it, right?

42:57SPEAKEROr do they have to, is there an API they need to hook into?

42:59SPEAKERLike it's not just any local multiplayer game immediately or automatically works.

43:03SPEAKERSo I tried to do it with Octodad and didn't work the other day.

43:06SPEAKERMy hunch is that you have to flip the switch, something they need to do, but you may have

43:11SPEAKERto use the steam controller APIs rather than X input or whatever older games use.

43:15SPEAKEROkay.

43:16SPEAKERYeah.

43:17SPEAKERIt's it's like, I'm more interested in that kind of steam streaming game than like the

43:21SPEAKERcloud stuff, but yeah, all of it taken as a whole though, really seems like the way

43:27SPEAKERthings are going like it or not.

43:29SPEAKERLike I wouldn't win this stuff was first being floated as a concept in the last three, four

43:33SPEAKERor five years.

43:34SPEAKERYeah.

43:35SPEAKERSo I actually had a very grumpy kind of from my cold dead hands reaction about taking away

43:41SPEAKERmy local processing.

43:42SPEAKERWell, that's when you were still having, that's when you still had, you bought games on discs

43:45SPEAKERbecause it was like 360, like on live was three, six prior to three 60 I think.

43:49SPEAKERWasn't it?

43:50SPEAKERNo, no, no, no.

43:51SPEAKERIt was midway through this.

43:52SPEAKERI think it was when we were at tested, I think it was early this decade.

43:55SPEAKERYeah.

43:56SPEAKERIt was like 2010, 2012.

43:57SPEAKERYeah.

43:58SPEAKERBut yeah, like, but even more recently, like when the seemingly came out and stuff, I looked

44:02SPEAKERat that and I was like, no, why would I ever know?

44:03SPEAKERI want to play on the thing that is doing the processing of the game and minimize, maximize

44:08SPEAKERquality, visual quality, and minimize any kind of lag.

44:11SPEAKERBut like, it seems like maybe that stuff it's, it's getting to a good enough point now.

44:15SPEAKERI mean, I think the wifi has gotten a lot better, which is part of it.

44:17SPEAKERBut the other thing is, yeah, the, the, all you're doing is changing the latency of an

44:23SPEAKERHDMI cable, which is pretty low.

44:25SPEAKERAnd the processing on the monitor to like a bit conversion, bit conversion.

44:31SPEAKERAnd those, those are getting faster all the time.

44:33SPEAKERThat's fair.

44:34SPEAKERI mean, I'm going to keep running my 30 foot HDMI cable down the hall for the time being,

44:40SPEAKERbut it seems like we're getting closer.

44:42SPEAKERJust think if you had a bigger monitor in the office, you wouldn't have that big HDMI

44:45SPEAKERcable.

44:46SPEAKERI get it.

44:47SPEAKERSit back there with the piggies.

44:48SPEAKERLet's see.

44:49SPEAKERLast thing I've got on my list is we were talking about SSDs before this.

44:56SPEAKERYeah.

44:57SPEAKERSSDs what?

44:58SPEAKERYou floated the idea of SSDs as a thing to be thankful for.

45:02SPEAKERI'm thankful about SSDs.

45:03SPEAKERWhereas I feel like my enthusiasm for PC SSDs in particular is kind of at a low end right

45:08SPEAKERnow.

45:09SPEAKERI feel like they've, they've gotten cheap and widely available enough that they are

45:15SPEAKERjust kind of a fact of life now.

45:17SPEAKERYou can get those Intel two terabyte drives for under $200 now.

45:20SPEAKERYeah.

45:21SPEAKEROkay.

45:22SPEAKERThat's getting there.

45:23SPEAKERLike, so I guess that's the distinction I'm trying to make.

45:25SPEAKERLike they they're, they're, they're kind of a no brainer now to have SSDs, but we have

45:30SPEAKERnot seen the sort of quantum leap in SSDs in the last little bit that I would like to

45:34SPEAKERsee to really feel like something is getting worth getting excited about again in that

45:39SPEAKERspace.

45:40SPEAKERMan, they're plugged right into the PCI express bus now.

45:42SPEAKERI mean that's cool.

45:43SPEAKERYeah.

45:44SPEAKERYou know, like I said, I've got windows installed on that NVME drive and that's cool, but think

45:48SPEAKERabout how fast your games load.

45:50SPEAKERThink about how much faster death stranding would load.

45:52SPEAKERThat sounds good.

45:53SPEAKERLike I'm not, I'm not going to lie, like, but we've had, we've had good SSDs and PCs

45:57SPEAKERfor like eight, but we haven't in consoles.

45:59SPEAKERNo, that is a whole separate issue or conversation.

46:02SPEAKERI mean, that's going to be great.

46:04SPEAKEREvery time I load a destiny multiplayer crucible game and I have to wait the extra minute for

46:08SPEAKERthe guy that has the hard drive to load the map in like, man, it'd be nice if everybody

46:12SPEAKERwas forced to have an SSD.

46:14SPEAKERI mean, not very egalitarian of me.

46:17SPEAKERSounded a little bit dystopian.

46:19SPEAKERLook, man, here's your government issued.

46:21SPEAKERI don't want to wait another 30 seconds because some, some guy hasn't upgraded his hard drive

46:25SPEAKERin the last six years.

46:26SPEAKERThat's fair.

46:27SPEAKERI get it.

46:28SPEAKERYeah.

46:29SPEAKERThat's what I'm waiting for.

46:30SPEAKERThe thing, the thing I will be thankful for about SSDs is when we get into, I'm trying

46:35SPEAKERto think like what the price to storage ratio is that I'm really looking for.

46:43SPEAKERLike what I really think about is having a NAS full of SSDs instead of spinning hard

46:47SPEAKERdrives.

46:48SPEAKEROh, sweet Jesus.

46:49SPEAKERAll I want is a magical sunshine land with lollipops and I mean, you could do that right

46:55SPEAKERnow if you're, if you're captain, if you're Jeff Bezos.

46:59SPEAKEROh yeah.

47:00SPEAKERBut well, no, so I've got four, six terabyte drives.

47:03SPEAKERSo that's 24 terabytes of storage and I think there, well with redundancy and stuff, it's

47:09SPEAKERway less.

47:10SPEAKERBut I mean, there's 24.

47:11SPEAKERSo if you, if you got 12, 12 terabyte SSDs, you're right there.

47:15SPEAKERSo you're talking about just having more drives, $2,400.

47:18SPEAKERYou're good to go.

47:19SPEAKERThat's still, that is a lot more than I spend on those hard drives.

47:22SPEAKERThose hard drives are what, 200 bucks each?

47:25SPEAKERLess than that.

47:26SPEAKEROkay.

47:27SPEAKERA good bit less.

47:28SPEAKEROkay.

47:29SPEAKERYeah.

47:30SPEAKERI'd watch for some sales and stuff.

47:31SPEAKERYeah.

47:32SPEAKERWell, the other thing is there aren't enough, like I would have to get extra SATA cards

47:35SPEAKERfor that PC.

47:36SPEAKEROh, there's a whole host of problems to it to accommodate, you need a drive cage or whatever.

47:40SPEAKERYeah.

47:41SPEAKERThat's the thing I was going to say is like, there is not a six terabyte SSD on the market

47:44SPEAKERyet.

47:45SPEAKERWell, there are, there is not price.

47:46SPEAKERYou can't afford them.

47:47SPEAKERI don't think sixes are out.

47:48SPEAKERI think four is where it tops out right now.

47:49SPEAKERI'm sure they have data center or something, but it's probably $1,200.

47:52SPEAKERBut I mean, you can buy a four terabyte consumer SSD now, but it's like five, $600, something

47:58SPEAKERlike that.

47:59SPEAKERIt'll come.

48:00SPEAKERYeah.

48:01SPEAKERWe're getting there.

48:02SPEAKERIt's always going to be way smaller than the spinning platters.

48:03SPEAKERI guess.

48:04SPEAKERI mean, until, until we hit the physical.

48:05SPEAKERI mean, yeah.

48:06SPEAKERSo what do you, do you think, do we ever hit a point where like hard drives have just been

48:09SPEAKERdeprecated as a technology enough that SSDs are actually bigger?

48:12SPEAKERYeah, absolutely.

48:13SPEAKERBecause at some point, at some point, like, look, hard drives work by spinning a physical

48:18SPEAKERbit, vertical or horizontal based on whether it's one or zero.

48:20SPEAKERYou're going to just run into practical size limits at some point, right?

48:23SPEAKERYeah.

48:24SPEAKERAnd like 10 years ago, they were talking about how they were reaching the size limits and

48:26SPEAKERthen somebody figured out that you could put the bits on the end and just turn them so

48:29SPEAKERthat you could pack way more stuff in.

48:32SPEAKERSo yeah.

48:33SPEAKERI don't know, man.

48:34SPEAKERAre you saying the hard drive stays are numbered?

48:36SPEAKERI mean, they've been saying that for 20 years now.

48:39SPEAKERIt's like Moore's law, except for Moore's law is actually gone.

48:41SPEAKERHonestly, like the big thing.

48:42SPEAKERI mean, it would be nice to be able to just leave the NAS on all the time and not worry

48:45SPEAKERabout power consumption, wasting electricity.

48:47SPEAKERWell, they still use power.

48:48SPEAKERYeah, but not nearly as much.

48:50SPEAKERI mean, it's not nearly as much.

48:52SPEAKERI mean, you're running a physical motor.

48:53SPEAKERI just make the, I put the NAS drives to sleep.

48:55SPEAKEROh, I don't do that.

48:56SPEAKERYou should do that.

48:57SPEAKERReally?

48:58SPEAKERYeah.

48:59SPEAKERIt saves you a lot of power.

49:00SPEAKERIt seems like the trade off was like lifespan of the drives, like spinning them up and down

49:02SPEAKERall the time is going to, is going to eat into there.

49:04SPEAKERAnd so that's, that's the real reason that I want the solid state drives in a NAS is

49:10SPEAKERbecause I mean, if you've got a bulk storage thing like that, you've probably got stuff

49:13SPEAKERon there.

49:14SPEAKERYou don't want to lose, you know, like I've got all kinds of old home movies and all my

49:19SPEAKERlike college papers and stuff like that, like just kind of sentimental stuff.

49:23SPEAKERCopy that stuff.

49:24SPEAKERWe'll back it up.

49:25SPEAKERBut like having a thing where you don't have to worry about mechanical failure leading

49:29SPEAKERto data loss.

49:30SPEAKERYeah.

49:31SPEAKERI can.

49:32SPEAKERI mean, look, I, hard drives are unreliable and shitty is what I'm saying.

49:35SPEAKERWe'll be happy when they're gone.

49:36SPEAKERSo here's the thing.

49:37SPEAKERIf you're running hard drives 24/7 in a NAS, you should plan to replace them at least every

49:41SPEAKERthree years.

49:42SPEAKEROh yeah.

49:43SPEAKERI've got, I've got one identical drive in the closet ready to go as soon as one fails.

49:46SPEAKERBut like all of those, once you hit three years, you're a ticking time bomb on those.

49:51SPEAKERSure.

49:52SPEAKERSo you should just budget for, Hey, I need to put new hard drives in every, every three

49:55SPEAKERor four years.

49:56SPEAKERYeah.

49:57SPEAKERBut I'm sure I've, you know, I've lost data.

49:59SPEAKERI'm sure you have, like most people have probably lost some data on a drive, a single drive

50:03SPEAKERthat failed that they didn't have a backup for.

50:05SPEAKERRight?

50:06SPEAKERYeah.

50:07SPEAKERThat's why I back everything up now.

50:08SPEAKERRight.

50:09SPEAKERThat's why we all back up everything now.

50:10SPEAKERTotally.

50:11SPEAKERBut it's just, you know, it's, it's a huge point of failure.

50:12SPEAKERI don't think SSDs are inherently that much more reliable.

50:15SPEAKERI think we have.

50:16SPEAKERBut they fail differently.

50:17SPEAKERThey fail differently.

50:18SPEAKERWe haven't.

50:19SPEAKERThey don't fail as catastrophically as a hard drive.

50:21SPEAKERThat's in my experience.

50:22SPEAKERThat's well, the thing is we haven't hit the point where we, we haven't reached the point

50:26SPEAKERwhere where we're going to know what happens with hard drives when they fail.

50:32SPEAKERYou mean with SSDs?

50:33SPEAKERI guess so.

50:34SPEAKERLike we're, we're SSDs just started getting really popular about five years ago and most

50:39SPEAKERpeople don't use them in a way that's going to make them fail quickly.

50:41SPEAKERYeah.

50:42SPEAKERYou're right.

50:43SPEAKERIt's mostly dependent on writes, not reads.

50:44SPEAKERYes.

50:45SPEAKERSo like I, and when they fail, they're probably going to be less recoverable than say a spinning

50:50SPEAKERset of platters.

50:51SPEAKERI guess I would believe that like, like if you have the right facilities, you can take

50:54SPEAKERthe discs out of the thing, put them in an identical drive and they'll just work.

50:58SPEAKERThe magnetic data might still be attacked.

51:00SPEAKERProbably there.

51:01SPEAKERA mechanical problem.

51:02SPEAKERYeah.

51:03SPEAKERI don't know.

51:04SPEAKERMy impression is that SSDs are pretty self-policing about their, the way they fail.

51:08SPEAKERLike they're, they're, you know, there are ways to tell, like.

51:11SPEAKERAssuming they fail because they've the, like the right, the right, they've run out of capacity

51:16SPEAKERfor more writes.

51:17SPEAKERYeah.

51:18SPEAKERLike they start siloing that, that area of the memory off.

51:19SPEAKERRight.

51:20SPEAKERThat's what it's supposed to when that stuff starts going back.

51:22SPEAKERLike if the controller just wears out, like if there, if a capacitor pops on the controller

51:26SPEAKERor something like that, like, like yesterday I was firing up my stream PC, the one that

51:30SPEAKERruns the OBS and all that stuff.

51:33SPEAKERAnd it just turned off and rebooted for no reason.

51:35SPEAKERNice.

51:36SPEAKERAnd when it came back up, it didn't have any drives inside.

51:38SPEAKEROkay.

51:39SPEAKERI was like, that's weird.

51:40SPEAKERCause there's definitely a drive in there.

51:42SPEAKERAnd I powered it all the way off and powered it all the way back on and it worked.

51:47SPEAKERAnd I back hit the backup button immediately.

51:49SPEAKERYou can't trust electrons.

51:50SPEAKERNo, that's the thing.

51:52SPEAKERThey're untrustworthy.

51:53SPEAKERYes.

51:54SPEAKERThey're feisty.

51:55SPEAKERBut SSDs are nice.

51:56SPEAKERI think.

51:57SPEAKERYeah.

51:58SPEAKERThey're good.

51:59SPEAKERDespite your hate.

52:00SPEAKERThey could be better.

52:01SPEAKERI can't believe you.

52:02SPEAKERI'm so, I feel like I've learned so much horrible stuff today.

52:03SPEAKERWhat have SSDs done for me lately?

52:04SPEAKERLook, how long I'm going to, I'm going to take your NVMe SSD, I'm going to replace it

52:09SPEAKERwith a six terabyte spinning disk drive and I'm going to see, we'll see if he notices

52:13SPEAKERthe difference.

52:14SPEAKERIt's like the Folgers challenge tasters.

52:16SPEAKERWhat was it? Taster's Choice.

52:19SPEAKERWe've replaced his, his normal coffee with delicious Taster's Choice.

52:23SPEAKERWe're really dating ourselves here.

52:25SPEAKERYeah.

52:26SPEAKERAnyway, you'll, you'll know, and you'll know in the three minutes it takes you to start

52:28SPEAKERyour computer.

52:29SPEAKERYeah.

52:30SPEAKERI guess that does it for us this week.

52:31SPEAKERI think so.

52:32SPEAKERWe've got all the turkey to eat.

52:33SPEAKERA lot of butt stuff.

52:34SPEAKERLet's talk some turkey.

52:35SPEAKERYeah.

52:36SPEAKERI hope you have a good Thanksgiving.

52:37SPEAKERThank you.

52:38SPEAKERYeah.

52:39SPEAKERDo the same.

52:40SPEAKERYeah.

52:41SPEAKERI'm going back to Virginia this year for the first time in 20 years.

52:42SPEAKERTo the, to the old family visit.

52:43SPEAKERSo I wanted to go and we're going to go see some museums in DC with the kiddo and do some

52:47SPEAKERother stuff.

52:48SPEAKERSo it'll be fun.

52:49SPEAKERBut wish you and yours a happy holiday.

52:51SPEAKERYeah.

52:52SPEAKERSame to everybody in the audience too.

52:53SPEAKERYeah.

52:54SPEAKERThanks for everybody for listening.

52:55SPEAKERThanks for all the reviews on iTunes.

52:56SPEAKERWe're thankful for you.

52:57SPEAKERYeah.

52:58SPEAKERWe are very thankful for you.

52:59SPEAKERAnd for your iTunes reviews.

53:00SPEAKERYeah, exactly.

53:01SPEAKEREspecially thankful for those positive iTunes reviews.

53:02SPEAKERFour stars and higher.

53:03SPEAKERNo, no.

53:04SPEAKERBut yeah, no, thank you all.

53:05SPEAKERIt's lovely to get feedback.

53:06SPEAKERI think maybe we'll do a question episode in the next couple episodes again, because I think

53:09SPEAKERrather than do, you know, all of the questions at the end of each episode, we'll do like

53:14SPEAKERquestions every few weeks, save them up for a month or month and a half or something like

53:19SPEAKERcornucopia of user emails.

53:21SPEAKERYes.

53:22SPEAKERSo send your emails to techpod@content.town and we will answer them in an upcoming episode.

53:27SPEAKERIndeed.

53:28SPEAKERSee you all next time.

53:29SPEAKERHappy Thanksgiving, everybody.

53:39SPEAKERBye.